From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG0110A" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 07:30:59 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Meredith Knight Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Screen-caps! We want screen-caps! In fact, a complete video would be just lovely! ;) Meedith In article , Kathy Brown writes >He was *wonderful*. >All in all, Dean was extremely impressive. We can all be very proud of our >boy! :) > >Kathy -- Meredith Knight "All the pebbles had fat smiling faces, and the anemones had mad bright eyes above their frills." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 06:10:13 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And I thought he looked absolutely fabulous.....better than I had seen him in a long time. It seemed to me that he had lost a few pounds? When one of the other people voted another guy off, saying that he (not Dean) was the best looking guy there, I thought Dean kind of made a funny face, as though he was definitely accustomed to having that title for himself. Kate ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:13:47 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicola Baker Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meredith Knight" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... > Screen-caps! We want screen-caps! In fact, a complete video would be > just lovely! ;) > > Meedith > > In article , > Kathy Brown writes > >He was *wonderful*. > >All in all, Dean was extremely impressive. We can all be very proud of our > >boy! :) > > > >Kathy > > -- > Meredith Knight > > "All the pebbles had fat smiling faces, and the anemones had mad bright > eyes above their frills." > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:51:19 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: [Fwd: FFQs: contact lenses] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL, I was surprised that my email from two days ago didn't show up on the list and I bet Jen was pretty surprised about getting an essay about contact lenses from me ! So here is what I had to say although it's pretty belated by now :-) Nicole ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 07:26:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jacalyn Sue Newman Subject: Re: Universal Union Book3/ (spoilers included) In-Reply-To: <200109300351_MC3-E1A3-1E14@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" S P O I L E R S P A C E > The greetings droned on around the little tableau and only the very >attentive noticed the intrusion of tension. Lex Luthor, the man who would >have raped Lois had it not been for Kal's timely intervention, was standing >before them, smiling expansively. If you think you can leave us hanging HERE, you have another think coming, my dear! MORE! We need MORE!!!!! Get thee back to thy keyboard and get to work. :-) This was a wonderful read, and I eagerly anticipate the continuation. Delightful how you got Jonathan and Martha Kent involved in the El family saga, BTW. When can we expect the first posts of Book 4? Jackie -- Jacalyn S. Newman jacalynsue@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:27:28 +1000 Reply-To: jenerators@optushome.com.au Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jen Stosser Subject: Re: [Fwd: FFQs: contact lenses] In-Reply-To: <3BB84AA7.738D2E84@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um? Jen jenerators@optushome.com.au -*- This message is umop ap!sdn -*- -*- Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- Photos of David (9) and Megan (6) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://www.geocities.com/j_stosser -*-Please sign our guestbook! -----Original Message----- From: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic [mailto:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU] On Behalf Of Nicole Wolke Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:51 PM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: [Fwd: FFQs: contact lenses] LOL, I was surprised that my email from two days ago didn't show up on the list and I bet Jen was pretty surprised about getting an essay about contact lenses from me ! So here is what I had to say although it's pretty belated by now :-) Nicole ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:42:16 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicola Baker Subject: Re: Are you ashamed to be a FoLC? II MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, coming in late here... I'm a closet fan. My Mum and best friend know, and think I'm really *really* odd, and *way* over the top about it. Their lack of understanding means that I don't talk about it. If it comes up, I'll mention it in a round-about king of way - "The people that I met on-line" or "the computer thing" but hardly ever by name. As for memorabilia, well, apart from the tapes (which are on display but only labelled with numbers, not names - *I* know what's on them!) I don't have any. I have a couple of folders of fics that I've printed out, again, not labeled, they're just a different colour folder. They're on the shelf with all my folders of lecture notes. That age issue... I don't think you'll ever be able to say exactly what makes a person talk about their obsession or not. It's got to be a mixture of loads of factors, from age and occupation and personality (both of you and your friends) right down to how confident you are and how many bad dreams you've had about telling people! Good luck figuring that one out. Feel free to use my name and any of my ramblings that actually made sense. Nic ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:24:01 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: Re: [Fwd: FFQs: contact lenses] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh dear, how embarrassing. Now the list recognized the forwarded message as an attachement! So sorry, guys! And Jen, didn't you get the mail I sent to the list? Because when I checked it had your addy in it instead of the list's. here's the original mail. Just delete it. Wasn't so important anyway! Nicole (turning bright red and searching for a place to hide in embarrassement.) *** I've been wearing contacts (soft) since 1993. I never had any problems with them. I put them in every morning 7.00 am and put them out in the eveing before I go to bed. I only wear my glasses for the way from the bathroom to my bedroom and back . Very seldom I have to put the contacts out earlier, because the eyes start feeling dry. That's ususally in the winter though when the heater is running and the air is very dry. I tried hard contacts for about 6 months, because people said they were healthier to the eye, but I couldn't wear them longer than two to four hours before my eyes started hurting. So I went back to soft lenses again. To bifocal lenses: My mother uses them and is very okay with them. She says though that it is nothing for "all the time", because it takes away a little bit from the distance and the near seeing. So she doesn't feel comfortable driving in the dark with them for example and she always uses her glasses then. She also feels more comfortable to use her glasses when she is reading a book or working at the computer. She says though that the bifocal lenses are great if she wants to go out for example. She never liked her glasses and used to wear normal lenses then (for distance) when she wanted to look good and therefor was unable to even read the menu in a restaurant and my Dad had to read it to her . The bifocal lenses are perfect for those occasions now :-) Nicole -- AKA CKgroupie on IRC/AIM NKWolke@t-online.de "The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:58:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... In-Reply-To: <83.10c5a3fb.28e99b05@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >And I thought he looked absolutely fabulous.....better than I had seen him in >a long time. It seemed to me that he had lost a few pounds? When one of the >other people voted another guy off, saying that he (not Dean) was the best >looking guy there, I thought Dean kind of made a funny face, as though he was >definitely accustomed to having that title for himself. >Kate Hi Kate:) I missed the funny face but I agree with him and you, he was the most good looking there (as usual!) and I was yelling at the screen "what is the matter with you people?":) OTOH, Dean might have agreed with the comment, because later he said Shamar is a friend of his.... According to Mike Carr, when we ran into him in NYC on July 27, Dean put on weight for The runaway, on purpose ("get's method," Mike said) but both Dean and Mike have lost weight since then (Mike also looked great in July) and they probably did it together since having a partner can sometimes help in dieting:) Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:44:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: Universal Union Book3/Part48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jenni - WOnderful - except of course that there MUST be a book 4!!!!!!! Get cracking! CM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:53:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: Unforeseen Consequences Part 9/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit s p o i l e r s p a c e Nan - Great installment as always. GO CJ! And now Henderson's in on it? I guess he didn't become a great investigator/deputy mayor because he could yodel. More soon please! CM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:01:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: FFQs: Luthor's minions and contact lenses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:53:03 -0500 Kathy Brown writes: The eye doctors I've asked all disagree, saying that the > disposables > aren't as durable, and shouldn't be worn for longer than the time > specified. Sheesh! I'm offline for 2 days and have 75!!! emails! I've been wearing my pair of disposables since Jan (though I don't wear them every day and couldn't stand them my first trimester), so read into that what you will. I started wearing soft disposables a little over a year ago after wearing gas perm for 12 years. The switch was difficult for me but mainly getting used to putting them in and taking them out not comfort level or anything. Just my .02 (course there may be more answers already out there - this is message 10 or so of the 78 I'm trying to wade through!) CM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:08:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I completely agree, Kathy:) Dean was the strongest link four times during the course of the show, which was more than anyone else and proved that he is not "just a pretty face", though he took the comment well. Yes, "Teri & Dean" also struck me as ironic and I agree that Dean was taking it very seriously. He was concentrating and had a very determined look on his face the whole time. I think he lost his concentration near the end, though I have to say he got stuff right all through the game that I would not have. Anne Robinson kept looking surprised when she had to say he was the strongest link. The only thing I thought was missing was a retraction of her earlier put-down....:) When they got to the Othello question, I was yelling the answer at him (I directed my now-defunct opera company's production of the opera and was very familiar with it). Yes, my cats are used to this behavior on my part:) I was enormously impressed, especially in light of his Jeopardy experience. In the Access Hollywood interview Friday night (that is going in a tidbits....), he spoke of how he was stuck in Spain during the attacks and immediate aftermath, that he was going crazy, and that this is the first thing he has been able to do in support. Carolyn:) >On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:02:32 EDT, Crystal Wimmer wrote: > >>Hey there... >> >>I'm watching the lead-in to the race, and they just announced a special >>celebrity edition of The Weakest Link, tonight at 8pm. In the clips, Dean's >>one of the featured celebritites. This is to benefit the NY/DC fund, so it >>sounds like something he'd do. >> >>I hate Weakest Link, but I'll watch Dean ;) > >He was *wonderful*. He made it to the final round -- he and Teri Garr. (And >yes, gotta love the irony of it being Dean and Teri up there. ) Teri >ended up winning, but I think Dean may have done better overall in the game. >He didn't get anything wrong until near the end. He was the strongest link >the vast majority of the time. He was also very diplomatic and serious about >the show ... others were goofing around, but he was very respectful and >sweet. They won $45,000 for WTC relief effort, and the show kicked in >another $100,000. > >All in all, Dean was extremely impressive. We can all be very proud of our >boy! :) > >Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:22:48 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Bethy Em Subject: Episode Science Question (Physics?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Okay, recently I noticed something that frustrated me -- often when someone is falling (ie from a building, airplane, etc), Superman catches them just before the hit the ground -- even, as in "Chi of Steel" by the foot right before his head made contact. Wouldn't the force of that stop be just as dangerous to the brain as impact? Because inertia would keep the brain going and slam it into the skull. Also, from the really high heights (Diana Stride's building in Top Copy, maybe Dillinger after the movies in TOGOM) -- I was under the impression (from The Princess Bride, so admittedly my data is suspect) that the fall would kill a person before s/he went Smack! Is this true? And if so, would those heights I mentioned be enough to kill them before S-man caught them? Second, semi-related but different question about when Clark throws the engagement ring into outer space in WHALTTA. I know that things burn at really super hot temperatures during re-entry to the atmosphere -- is there anything like that going out? Would the ring have survived that throw? Just curiousity, no connection to a fanfic (at least not conciously, yet). Thanks! Bethy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:30:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Unforeseen Consequences Part 10/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unforeseen Consequences Part 10/? by Nan Smith Inside the trunk of the grey sedan, CJ became aware that the car was slowing down. Instantly alert, he gripped the trunk lid more firmly, holding it as tightly closed as he could. The car swayed as it turned and the tires crunched suddenly on gravel. He could hear the rattle as small pieces of stone were thrown against the undercarriage. For some minutes, they moved slowly over the gravel road and then the surface changed again to smooth asphalt or concrete. CJ felt the vehicle brake, turn slowly, and then come to a stop. Through the tiny gap where he held the trunk lid closed, he saw a low light come on. They were still in the open, he realized a moment later. The light was on the porch of a big, old house that looked as if it had seen better days. There was a clicking sound and he realized the car's door locks had been released. He watched with his x-ray vision as his brothers and sister were dragged out of the rear seat, followed by Wyatt and Linda. Marta squirmed determinedly as her captor hauled her across the driveway toward the house. The man, apparently frustrated by her lack of cooperation, spun her about and slapped her, hard. Marta's head snapped sideways, but she didn't cry. The look she gave him would have melted lead, and CJ gritted his teeth promising himself to make that guy sorry if he was ever able to figure out how to do it. When they disappeared inside, he eased the trunk open and slid out onto the ground, crouching low to stay in the shadow provided by the body of the car. The trunk popped open when he released it, but there was nothing he could do about that. Reaching back inside, he retrieved the cellular phone. "Mr. Henderson!" he whispered. "I'm here, CJ," Henderson's voice replied instantly. "We've stopped. We're in front of a house--it looks kind of old, but sort of fancy, too. They just took the other kids inside. What do you want me to do, now?" "Can you see the address?" "No, sir," CJ said, the courtesy to adults drilled in by his parents coming so instinctively that he didn't notice it. "There's no number. There aren't any other houses around, even. It looks like we're out in the country, somewhere. We came in on a gravel road, and I can see a lot of hills with pine trees all over them. I can hear a river somewhere, too, but I'm all turned around. I don't know which way I'm facing." "Okay. Try to stay out of sight, CJ. We've got you pinpointed and we're on our way. You're northwest of Metropolis, in Hobbs Canyon. We'll be there in about twenty minutes." CJ turned his head as a door slammed. Four men had emerged from the house and he heard one of them speaking, softly. "The signal's coming from this direction--" "Sir, I've got to move," he whispered. "There's some men coming. I think they've picked up the phone's signal, somehow." "Shut it off," Henderson said, immediately. "Get out of there, now." CJ shut off the phone at once and scurried around the car, bending as low as he could. The men were approaching, and he could hear one of them swearing softly. "The signal's gone." "Well, where was it before it disappeared?" "This way...." There was a narrow band of shadow that bisected the puddle of light that illuminated the driveway where the car had parked. CJ looked back at the men who were walking slowly toward the car, and saw the weapons in their hands. An idea hit him then, something half-remembered from some spy movie he'd seen at some time or other. He clicked the phone back on, took aim and threw it underhand into the grass in the middle of the shadowed lawn some forty feet away. It landed with a muffled thump in the withered grass and he noted the instant interest of the men. "Did you hear that?" "Yeah. This way. The signal's back...." They changed direction toward the phone. CJ bent low and scurried through the narrow band of shadow toward the hedge that bordered the house. Crouching beside it, he tried to think, breathing softly. He couldn't stay here. When they found the phone they would figure out what he'd done and start looking around in other places. Without further consideration, he began to make his way toward the rear of the house, moving as quietly as he could. At least they were probably expecting an adult, not a kid. He'd have a better chance of escaping their notice than a full grown man, at least for as long as it took for Henderson and his people to get here. Halfway around the house, he encountered a covered porch. A network of crisscrossed wooden slats intertwined with dead vegetation that ran from the ground to the overhanging porch roof dominated one side of the structure. Pausing for only a few seconds to consider the wisdom of the idea, CJ swarmed up the rickety, awkward ladder and scrambled onto the wooden shingles at the top. The brittle shingles crackled and crumbled under his feet as his weight came down on them, and he tried to move carefully toward the actual wall of the house. Shreds of wood splinters showered from the roof toward the ground, and he found himself wondering if this had been such a good idea. If they saw him up here, he'd be trapped for sure. Attempts to tread more lightly only resulted in more showers of debris. He crouched against the wall of the house, trying not to move while he decided what was the best thing to do now. There was a small window, barely larger in width than he was, in the wall next to him. He hadn't seen it from the ground, but it was certainly there. A torn screen covered it, and inside he could see a sliding, glass pane covered with dark curtains of some heavy, opaque cloth. But the lock that should have secured the glass panel against an invader was unlocked. Well, it was a chance. CJ ripped the screen wide, leaving the tattered pieces dangling and placed his hands flat against the glass of the window, pushing upward. For a moment the stubborn pane resisted his efforts, then with a screech that should have awakened the inhabitants of every cemetery for miles around, it slid suddenly open. CJ froze, waiting for the inevitable moment of discovery, but nothing happened. After a long, tense period of holding his breath, he allowed himself to relax. Incredible as it seemed, no one else had heard the noise. He listened. There was no sound behind the curtains. From the front of the house, he heard the voices of the four searchers. They had discovered the cellular phone, and the open car trunk. They were spreading out to search for whoever had arrived in it. CJ made up his mind, and began to worm his way through the window into the old house. ********** "I could get there faster if I flew," Superman said. "Forget it." Henderson shoved his foot down on the accelerator as hard as he could. Behind him, five other cars filled with determined men were racing at reckless speed along the highway, sirens blasting. Cars in both lanes of the road ahead of them pulled sharply to the sides and stopped as the small fleet of civilian cars, armed with sirens and flashing lights on their hoods, tore by. The men were veteran law officers who had worked with him during his years as an Inspector with the Metropolis Police Department, men whom he knew and had trusted--sometimes literally--with his life. More recently, they had worked with him more covertly. They'd been the only ones he'd dared call out on this action. He was going to have some explaining to do to Chief Dobbs later, but he figured that was a lot better than having Bureau 39's mole in the police department, whomever he might be, give them away in time for Cash and his followers to disappear, perhaps along with the children. That wasn't going to happen. He wasn't going to let them get away again. They rounded a turn in the road, the back wheels of his car skidding slightly, but he never slowed his speed. "We're going to get these guys, Superman," he said, quietly, his mild voice at odds with his intense driving. "You know, I promised CJ I wouldn't let you come. He was afraid they'd hurt you." "I know how to stay away from Kryptonite!" Superman protested. "Yes, I know. But four of those kids...." He stopped for a moment. "I have a vested interest in getting these guys, too," he said, with apparent irrelevance. "You know that my first daughter was born seven months after Sue and I married, don't you?" "I suppose," Superman said, evenly. "It isn't important, Bill." "Yes, it is. I've been hunting Bureau 39 ever since I found out what they were up to--two years ago," he said. "You probably don't know that Sue and I speeded up our wedding plans after we found out she was expecting. Terminating the pregnancy was never an option. Valerie wasn't mine--except that she is, in every other way. She--" He broke off as they skidded around another corner and accelerated again. The city of Metropolis had given way to countryside. "One of the New Kryptonians decided he wanted Sue," Henderson said, grimly. "A guy named Jen Mai. Valerie is half-Kryptonian." Superman almost covered his shock, but Henderson could see it. "I found out someone was hunting up the records of children born at about the right time," he continued. "I have some friends who helped me--Lois would say I know guys who know guys." He smiled tightly and abruptly killed the siren. Ahead, a gravel road branched off to the right. He slowed the car and took the road carefully. "Eventually, I tracked the inquiries to a secret government agency that we both know and love: Bureau 39. They've been trying to root out the human-Kryptonian hybrids, Superman--kids who are the innocent consequences of the invasion--and kill them. I've been close to exposing them twice, and twice they've gotten away, leaving me without any evidence. They know someone's after them, but I've covered my tracks pretty well--I don't think they know I'm their shadow, or I probably wouldn't be alive, now. They're not going to get away this time. No one--especially not the agent of some faceless government agency--is going to take my daughter away from me, whoever her biological father may have been." Superman was silent a moment. "I'm sorry, Bill," he said, finally. "I wish I'd known." He paused and added, "And I wish you'd asked me for help with Bureau 39. I'd have given it to you. I have a few investigative abilities of my own, you know." "Yeah, I suppose I should have, but I had more than one secret to keep. This was a secret between Sue and me. Valerie doesn't know, anymore than Linda Lennox knows. I'm good at keeping secrets--and I had no idea you were keeping one just as explosive as I was." Superman smiled very slightly. "I had a feeling you saw a lot more than you should have back there," he said. "You were always too observant for my comfort level. It's a good thing I trust you as much as I do." "You need to work harder on your poker face," Henderson said. "Your secret's safe with me, Clark. I wanted you to know that. Now--" he slowed down until the car was moving at a crawl, "you're going to promise me you'll do exactly as I tell you. I am *not* going to go back and tell Lois I let her husband get killed. And we're not going to let these pseudo-Nazi goons get away again." "You're the boss," Clark said, and Henderson could see that he meant it. "Just tell me what you want me to do." ********** CJ squeezed through the window with no room to spare and slid to the floor. He stayed on hands and knees for several seconds, listening intently. Somewhere below him, he could hear the voices of several men speaking, calling to each other occasionally. Those must be the guys outside hunting for him. There seemed to be a lot more than four, now. At some distance from the voices, he could hear Jimmy sobbing. His brother's voice was coming from somewhere on the same level he was on. The kids must be imprisoned on this floor, somewhere not far away, probably under guard. Forcing himself to ignore his brother's crying, he trained his hearing on the other voices below them. One of them was closer, probably in the house itself. Whoever he was, his voice had a distinct southern accent and seemed, from the tone, to belong to someone in authority. "I want whoever dropped that phone found," it was saying and CJ could hear the irritation in it. "I'm gettin' plenty tired of this guy, whoever he is. Every time it looks like we've hit pay dirt, he shows up and throws a monkey wrench in the works. We're gonna find out how these aliens' bodies work, and how to kill 'em after they get their powers. There's got to be some other weakness than one, lousy green rock." "Yessir." CJ had his position pinpointed, now. He trained his x-ray vision on the floor, trying to locate the man. The picture was blurry, but he wasn't hard to identify. The short, cigar-smoking man in camouflage gear was leaning back in a swivel chair, holding up something that glowed green with a light of its own. CJ couldn't quite see what it was, except that it appeared to be round, and about the size of his own palm. Kryptonite! his mind screamed at him. Dad had described the vicious stuff to him weeks ago when they'd been out in the field behind his grandparents' farm, testing his abilities. "This is the only one I've been able to get hold of in all these years," the man said. "The idiots in charge have very foolishly ordered the destruction of any Kryptonite that's found, anywhere, because it's a hazard to their *hero*, Superman. *Hero*!" The speaker snorted. "They'll find out the truth when we find our world taken over by them. With all my resources,I was only able to get the one piece. When the aliens launch their takeover, we're going to need more than this thing to defend the human race." He set the object down on his desk. "Did you send out reinforcements to hunt?" "Yessir. I've got everyone but the guard out looking for him." "Then get out there, yourself." The voice fell silent for a moment. "Is Dr. What'sisname on the way?" "Yes, sir. And the operating room is ready. He should be here in half an hour or so." "Good. Go on, get out there, Captain. Find that guy. The Bureau can't afford to be exposed too soon, or the human race won't have a chance." CJ got to his feet, still listening intently. The last thing he needed was to get caught right now. Mr. Henderson would be here soon with help. The twenty minutes he'd promised were almost up. But an idea was forming in his mind. He needed to get rid of that stuff, the Kryptonite that the guy with the cigar had been playing with. Nobody else must be allowed to get hold of it, for all their sakes. He couldn't get anywhere near it, any more than Dad could, and neither could Marta, Jonny, Jimmy or Linda. But Wyatt could. But, that meant he was going to have to tell Wyatt why. ********** (tbc) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:50:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: Unforeseen Consequences Part 10/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit s p o i l e r s p a c e I guess the good thing about being offline for 2 days is that I didn't have to wait all weekend for the next installment! How can you leave us there?! I guess I trust Wyatt, but he is just a kid. I understand why CJ needs to tell him, but I hope that something else will happen before CJ tells him. The "club" is getting considerably bigger. CM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:27:17 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Lorie Y. Crisp" Subject: Re: Episode Science Question (Physics?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I consider the Superman catching them before they hit kind of like playing egg toss. You ever play that? the trick is to lower your cupped hands AS you catch the egg so the egg won't break in your hands. I guess it slows the egg down slowly and cushions the egg so it doesn't break. In my imagination, Superman does that. :) Lorie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 09:39:36 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: OT: Premature Baby Resources? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's another problem of the anti-bacterial products available. One of the most common fungal infections that women get in a *very* delicate place is often made considerably worse by their significant other using an anti-bacterial soap. I won't get more specific, but I'm sure you can figure it out if you think about it. Nan Marilyn Puett wrote: > My hubby had a rash in a delicate area (and that's all I'll say ) and was > treated for a fungus for ever so long with several different creams and > ointments. Finally the doc asked what he bathed with. He goes to the gym > each morning before work and used the soap they had on the wall in a > dispenser. Seems it's a fairly strong antibacterial soap and it was killing > off the good flora on his skin in addition to the bad. Doc said to STOP > using antibacterial soap. Voila! The rash went away. I guess my mom had > the right idea when she differentiated between "home" germs and "strange" > germs! > > Marilyn > AKA Supermom > > >From: Nancy Smith > >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > > > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > >Subject: Re: OT: Premature Baby Resources? > >Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:10:35 -0700 > > > >Lol! Well, probably moderation in all things isn't too bad an idea, but > >you > >should see what I go through to avoid buying those new antibacterial > >products. > >If I want to clean something, soap and water, detergent, and sometimes > >bleach, > >are good enough for me. > > > >Nan > > > >Pam Jernigan wrote: > > > > > >>That's something to think about when you're buying cleaning products > >for > > > your > > > home. Breeding super-germs isn't something you want to do. Where do > >you > > > think > > > the flesh-eating bacteria came from? > > > > > > So you mean that my long-standing policy of only cleaning the stuff that > > > shows (every once in a while) is actually *healthy*?? Wow! > > > > > > And to think I cleaned my toilets today! Drat! I won't make that > >mistake > > > again ;) > > > > > > PJ > > > > > > "But then of course so many people are silly about a man who doesn't do > >any > > > fighting in a war. So stupid of them, because it's so much more > >sensible > > > not to, don't you think? If we all just didn't, I mean, well where > >would > > > people like Hitler have been?" > > > "In Buckingham Palace and the White House, I imagine," grunted her > >husband. > > > "Don't be silly, dear. How could he have been in two places at once?" > > > --from Death in Kashmir, by M. M. Kaye > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:11:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: Episode Science Question (Physics?) On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:22:48 +0000, Bethy Em wrote: >Okay, recently I noticed something that frustrated me -- often when someone >is falling (ie from a building, airplane, etc), Superman catches them just >before the hit the ground -- even, as in "Chi of Steel" by the foot right >before his head made contact. Wouldn't the force of that stop be just as >dangerous to the brain as impact? Because inertia would keep the brain >going and slam it into the skull. If Superman's abilities work the way I think they do then he probably, and definitely unconsiously, projects an inertia dampening field, much like what is employed in starships in Star Trek. >Also, from the really high heights (Diana Stride's building in Top Copy, >maybe Dillinger after the movies in TOGOM) -- I was under the impression >(from The Princess Bride, so admittedly my data is suspect) that the fall >would kill a person before s/he went Smack! Is this true? And if so, would >those heights I mentioned be enough to kill them before S-man caught them? It would depend on their constitutions... from such low heights I would think that they would at least pass out. > >Second, semi-related but different question about when Clark throws the >engagement ring into outer space in WHALTTA. I know that things burn at >really super hot temperatures during re-entry to the atmosphere -- is there >anything like that going out? Would the ring have survived that throw? I will leave that up to Phil, the snowball king, to explain that one. James ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:58:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: Are you ashamed to be a FoLC? Like Pam "I'm glad so many people have responded on the list, it's been fascinating, and I find I have more to say..." I think that the biggest factor in my unashamed state is Elisabeth. She and I both loved the series and love to read fanfic. In fact it is the only online fic we read. (okay, I sometimes dabble in ST, but I have yet to find any site that has the wealth of gifted and talented writers that we have!) We have always wanted to write, seperately and together, (Hopefully we will be re-posting the new and improved 30 Days/Dark Place, finished and polished in the next couple of months.) and FOLC has been a perfect growth medium. I do admit that there are times I am asked what I am reading and I will respond like so... "Oh, I am a member of an online community of SciFi authors and I am reading some of current works in progress so that I can give them encouragement and helpful feedback." Usually that stops them cold and raises my reputation with them a notch or two. :-)) James ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:11:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cindy Leuch Subject: Re: Episode Science Question (Physics?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Yeah don't get me started about the science in that show. There are alot of inconsistencies, but...I don't watch Lois and Clark for science lessons. The catching while falling thing: I always heard this explained away by the whole "aura" think. Once Superman gets a hold of the person, his aura takes over and they don't feel any pain. Now, the falling itself I don't think would kill a person. If they get going fast enough, there would be some serious wind burn. If they were up high enough, the air pressure might cause them to black out (but they'd have to be up pretty high). But in this instance, it's the hitting of the pavement that causes death. The ring: I just thought about that the other day. Objects entering the earths atmosphere generally burn up due to friction - I would think the same would be true of any object hurtling through the earth's atmosphere. But not all materials have this happen - the space shuttle, for example, is covered with ceramic tile to keep in intact during reentry. Gold, though, is a very soft metal, and I would think that it WOULD burn up if put in the situation that that ring was put in. The diamond...I'm not sure. I'm gonna guess the diamond itself would be okay. Hope that gets you what you want to know. GO CYCLONES! Cindy Leuch isuleuch@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:26:36 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Science and Superman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bethy: Many Superman fans are very serious about the science they find there. I don't really look for scientific truth in L&C, just a good story. The science could be true or not, but it ought to be plausible within the context of the myth.. It doesn't pay to examine it too closely under reality's light, though. Superman is, after all, a fantasy. :) Jude ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 16:14:50 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL! I've never laughed so hard during the Weakest Link in my whole life! Dean did an awesome job...but he also did a lot of apologizing...which is not really normal for that show. I think Dean's too nice to actually be on that show (and I'm not saying it's a bad thing...because it isn't), it was just different and interesting to actually see people being polite and not out to rip each other's throats out! Maybe it's the fact that it was done for charity...I dunno...I just still found everyone there really funny. Dean must of too because most of the time I saw him holding onto his stand for support, as he doubled over with laughter. ;) Dean knew things or more should I say he surprised me by knowing things. Who knew he had so much knowledge about commericals! LOL! There was one question that I got right and Dean screwed up. That was the All My Children one. That's the only soap I've watched since I was old enough to know what TV was. I had a nice giggle over Dean's blunder on that one. ;) Great Job Dean...and yes I found that pairing against TERI Garr at the end...very weird too. Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:20:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: Are you ashamed to be a FoLC? II MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those in tertiary education, both as > students and faculty, seem less inclined to discuss FoLCdom with > their > peers, than those moving in other circles. I just finished my Masters and (when I'm not pregnant) teach at a community college and I would be hesitant to tell those I work with, but not as much some of my friends that I went to school with. It never came up, but I would have been more likely to tell them. CM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:24:02 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... In-Reply-To: <15a.1c649e3.28ea28ba@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I mostly agree with you, Alexis, but I saw Dean mostly not leaning on the stand, like he had squared himself off to meet what ever was coming his way. I don't usually watch it, but I confess less patience with the genre of put-downs and one-upsmanship these days. I have even started to tell people when I find their behavior mean or in appropriate. If this signals a change in that show, I think it's great:) Carolyn >LOL! I've never laughed so hard during the Weakest Link in my whole life! >Dean did an awesome job...but he also did a lot of apologizing...which is not >really normal for that show. I think Dean's too nice to actually be on that >show (and I'm not saying it's a bad thing...because it isn't), it was just >different and interesting to actually see people being polite and not out to >rip each other's throats out! Maybe it's the fact that it was done for >charity...I dunno...I just still found everyone there really funny. Dean >must of too because most of the time I saw him holding onto his stand for >support, as he doubled over with laughter. ;) > >Dean knew things or more should I say he surprised me by knowing things. Who >knew he had so much knowledge about commericals! LOL! There was one question >that I got right and Dean screwed up. That was the All My Children one. >That's the only soap I've watched since I was old enough to know what TV was. > I had a nice giggle over Dean's blunder on that one. ;) > >Great Job Dean...and yes I found that pairing against TERI Garr at the >end...very weird too. > >Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:29:51 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ursula Bento Subject: OT: Dean alert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the tip Crystal, I know this show already because each = Thursday evening it is followed by 'The new adventures of Superman' the = second season. And I always have the last 10 minutes of the Weakest Link = on my tape. It is a weird show. That Anne Robinson sometimes is quite = rude to the participants. I have seen a leader for the American version = which will be shown next Friday. It's an older one I guess, because I = didn't see Dean in this leader. I recognized John Goodman so that should = be entertaining! I'm going to watch out for this special show with Dean = in it and I do hope the BBC will not keep us in suspense too long!!=20 FoLCs in the U.K, like Wendy and Yvonne and Phil: if you can find out = the date it will be aired, will you please, please, please let us other = Euro's know thru this list? I would be devastated if I missed it, and my = local tv guide does not give any extra info on the BBC programs. On = Thursday it just lists them like: - 18.00 hrs. The Weakest Link - 19.00 hrs. The New Adventures of Superman - 20.00 hrs. Buffy the Vampire Slayer etc etc. And thank you too Kathy Brown and others who have already seen it and = told us that our boy came through with flying colors! He made it to the = finals, wow! And lost to 'Teri'....LOL. D'you think that was a remnant = of Clark Kent in him, it would be soo like Clark to graciously let Lois = win yet another award! G'night! Have some Super dreams. Ursie =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:30:30 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ursula Bento Subject: Re: Are you ashamed to be a FoLC? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James wrote: "Oh, I am a member of an online community of SciFi authors and I am = reading some of current works in progress so that I can give them encouragement = and helpful feedback." LOL This is exactly what I do if I want to (or cannot avoid for some reason) = talk about my L&C addiction! My family and friends know my love of the written word; I have written a = lot of stuff, mainly children's stories and am currently working on our = family history, mixing true facts with fiction. Which is a lot of fun! I = also write for my work, being in Marketing Communications & Advertising = at our national airline co. AND I am a member of a radio newsshow = (reporter & anchor). I've always been a busy little bee. Love listening = to the radio because you only need your ears for that and you can do a = lot of other stuff in the meantime. Like reading. I am always reading. = Books, newspapers, magazines. That's why I was the most surprised that I = got hooked by L&C. I am not a tv person! I watch one or two hours tops = per day, mostly news, and the occasional comedy like Frasier. - Do I freely talk about my being a FoLC? -=20 Not really. But I don't hide it either. Whenever people talk about what = they do online I give them a similar line like James'. The odd thing is, = people never ask for specifics, they just look impressed! Family and = close friends know I love L&C and buy my excuse that I think that their = unique love story mixed with the SciFi elements of the Superman saga = provide a wonderful training ground for writers. You can combine an A = plot with a B plot and throw in some improbable happenings... A hard to = beat combination! I really plan to join the ranks of FoLCs writers some day, but it's = harder for me because English is not my native tongue. And I am so impressed by the recent submissions of Carol Moncado and Nan = Smith and Phil, you are all awesome. But, if I ever write a fanfic, and you, other FoLCs, approve of it and = say it is a good story, I would be so proud I think I would bore = everybody I know and press them to read it! (That wouldn't apply to a = Nfanfic though... would keep that private!) =20 - Do I have L&C or Superman memorabilia on display? - Don't have ashtrays (I don't smoke but those things are very handy to = keep paperclips in) or stuff like that. I wouldn't know where to get = stuff, they don't seem to sell it over here. Not even in the stripbook = stores. Would love to have a Superman t-shirt though, and would wear it = with pride! And I would love to have a poster. I do have some S-man = comic books and I have downloaded and printed out some beautiful pics of = Dean & Teri as L&C. They are in the files where I keep my favorite = fanfics. Plan to have a whole library! I do not hide them, they're right = here on the shelf above my pc in my little 'office'. And I have the = tapes of course. I have taped the show from Lucky Leon until the final = ep. And thanks to the British BBC I am finally getting a chance to tape = the previous eps. Though I missed the two pilot eps (ARRGG!!) and = recently also the ep where Al Capone is supposed to do a resurrection. = BBC 1 and BBC 2 decided to switch channels and I wasn't aware of it. So = when I came home that fateful Thursday evening 2 weeks ago, instead of = S-Man I had taped some dumb soap! I was surprised at how upset I was. So = now I plan to STAY home each Thursday evening to tape the show = PERSONALLY. How's that for addiction! They won't trick ME again, oh no!=20 I don't hide the tapes either, I keep them in a book case with all other = tapes. Well Gay Devlin, if you can use any of my ramblings please feel free to = do so. Would appreciate it, if you mention names, to use my first name = only: Ursula (a bit pompous, but hey, I didn't christen myself!). Good luck with your thesis. Ursie =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:07:22 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: OT: Dean alert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ursula said: I'm going to watch out for this special show with Dean in it and I do hope the BBC will not keep us in suspense too long!! I'd be very surprised if the BBC air this program in the UK. I don't know how these things work, but I doubt whether it's even owned by the BBC, since it's the American version of the show - do correct me if I'm wrong, because I'd be interested to find out. And despite what I'm about to say, I, too would love to see a video of the show . As to the 'oddness' of the insulting nature of the program, my problem with it is that it's completely and utterly fabricated. Not content with ordinary game shows any more, programme makers feel the need to inject some 'spice' in the form of conflict into their programmes - a common theme in lots of TV these days, I find. So we get Anne Robinson, who is a perfectly pleasant person on every other TV show she presents or appears on, being artificially rude to her contestants - in the name of conflict. We get an artificially confrontational type of game where contestants have to be nasty to each other. We get mini-interviews where contestants bear their feelings about being booted off to us , and tell us what they think of their fellow contestants. Apparently we can't just enjoy the simple intellectual challenge of trying to answer general knowledge questions any more. Instead, we're supposed to derive our enjoyment by getting inside an artificially-created bitching session. I find that rather sad. Yvonne (stepping off her soapbox and apologising for going completely OT) (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:44:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Fanfic Listserv Crisis Well, everyone, we have a problem. Farah has just informed me that IU has finally figured out that she's no longer a student there, and is going to terminate her access to this listserv. So we have to decide what we want to do -- do we try to move this list to another server, or do we just close up shop? To be honest, while I would be happy to continue moderating the list, I have neither the time nor the interest to learn the technical side of things. Bottom line: I'm not up for finding us a new home or setting things up once we got there. This listserv has been really fun lately, so it's unfortunate this would happen right now. However, I'm well aware that the message boards have become the center of activity for the posting of fanfic. We, on the other hand, seem to concentrate more on fanfic questions and characterization discussion. There's no reason why this kind of discussion couldn't move to the MBs, though I know some people prefer to participate via email. So what do you think? Would there be someone out there willing to take over the technical side of things and move us to a new server? Or should we simply call it a wonderful four years and cherish the memories? (And yes, the irony to that statement being able to apply to the show itself did hit me as I wrote it. ) Either way, I would recommend anyone who wants to save a particular thread do so now ... I have no idea how long IU will maintain the post archive once they terminate the listserv. All posts made to the listserv since we began are available here: http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html Kathy List Mom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:53:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jacalyn Sue Newman Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Well, everyone, we have a problem. I say we move to a new home. And as much as I loathe yahoo's clubs, they would serve the purpose. Cannot give this list up. I just can't! May as well ask me to give up chocolate. No can do! Jackie -- Jacalyn S. Newman jacalynsue@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:07:21 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmm -- I suppose it's too much to hope that someone on the list is a student at IU and could just take it over? For what it's worth, I'd like to continue the list, but I can't volunteer to do the technical stuff. It's all I can do to log on. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:13:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Much as I hate Yapoo!Groups, what about using their services? I would hate to see this list end - I can't always get to the boards, and I rely on getting my fanfic here, for the most part. I know that those overseas often have to pay for the time they spend online, so they would be limited in their surfing time, or reading the boards - it takes less time to download your email, then go offline to read, so it would be cheaper for them, too... As to the archives - when several of my onelist groups, then later egroups lists, moved to Yahoo!Groups, they were able to transfer their message archives there, too. Depending on what the current listserv rules are, you could do the same... Just my two cents... Melisma (under her Rock, hoping this list will go on, at least in *some* email form) At 08:44 PM 01/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Well, everyone, we have a problem. > >Farah has just informed me that IU has finally figured out that she's no >longer a student there, and is going to terminate her access to this >listserv. So we have to decide what we want to do -- do we try to move this >list to another server, or do we just close up shop? > >To be honest, while I would be happy to continue moderating the list, I have >neither the time nor the interest to learn the technical side of things. >Bottom line: I'm not up for finding us a new home or setting things up once >we got there. > >This listserv has been really fun lately, so it's unfortunate this would >happen right now. However, I'm well aware that the message boards have >become the center of activity for the posting of fanfic. We, on the other >hand, seem to concentrate more on fanfic questions and characterization >discussion. There's no reason why this kind of discussion couldn't move to >the MBs, though I know some people prefer to participate via email. > >So what do you think? Would there be someone out there willing to take over >the technical side of things and move us to a new server? Or should we >simply call it a wonderful four years and cherish the memories? (And yes, >the irony to that statement being able to apply to the show itself did hit me >as I wrote it. ) > >Either way, I would recommend anyone who wants to save a particular thread do >so now ... I have no idea how long IU will maintain the post archive once >they terminate the listserv. > >All posts made to the listserv since we began are available here: > >http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html > >Kathy >List Mom > > Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:12:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eowyn Akra Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oddly enough, I found topic in the archives, but haven't gotten any of the emails yet. I know I'm a bit of a lurker here, but I'm willing to take over the duties of list mom. Unfortunately I won't be able to keep the list under the same list server though. ~Eowyn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:49:58 +0930 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Kaye Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Well, everyone, we have a problem. > >I say we move to a new home. And as much as I loathe yahoo's clubs, >they would serve the purpose. >Cannot give this list up. I just can't! I agree. I love this list and would hate to see it go. ~Larissa~ > >May as well ask me to give up chocolate. >No can do! >Jackie >-- >Jacalyn S. Newman >jacalynsue@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:34:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Katherine L. Klesch" Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20011001191340.00ad3460@pop.intergate.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:13 PM 10/1/2001 -0700, Melisma wrote: >Much as I hate Yapoo!Groups, what about using their services? I would hate >to see this list end - I can't always get to the boards, and I rely on >getting my fanfic here, for the most part. I know that those overseas often >have to pay for the time they spend online, so they would be limited in >their surfing time, or reading the boards - it takes less time to download >your email, then go offline to read, so it would be cheaper for them, too... I'd be willing to move us to YahooGroups, if that's the way we want to go. I'm looking into the technical aspect of this, and it doesn't look too difficult. I'm also wondering if it's possible to save the archives and re-upload them somewhere else... Anyway, Kathy, let me know if you want me to go ahead with this. I don't think I'd want to moderate the list myself; I'd be happy to pass that back to you. But I'm a CompSci major, so the technical part might not be too bad for me. ;-) >As to the archives - when several of my onelist groups, then later egroups >lists, moved to Yahoo!Groups, they were able to transfer their message >archives there, too. Depending on what the current listserv rules are, you >could do the same... As far as I can tell, this option is *only* available for eGroups lists. But I'm wondering if it would be possible to save those archives somewhere else. If this is the way we want to go, I'm happy to do it. But we need to make a decision ASAP so I can start setting things up. Kaylle ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:41:12 +1000 Reply-To: jenerators@optushome.com.au Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jen Stosser Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yahoo Groups seems to be the way to go... I know nothing about the technical side as far as moderating or moving archives from Indiana to Yahoo, but I *have* started my own small list on Yahoo, and am happy to give what little advice I can to whoever wants to take responsibility for doing this. Jen jenerators@optushome.com.au -*- This message is umop ap!sdn -*- -*- Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- Photos of David (9) and Megan (6) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://www.geocities.com/j_stosser -*-Please sign our guestbook! -----Original Message----- From: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic [mailto:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jill Kaye Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:20 PM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis >Well, everyone, we have a problem. > >I say we move to a new home. And as much as I loathe yahoo's clubs, >they would serve the purpose. >Cannot give this list up. I just can't! I agree. I love this list and would hate to see it go. ~Larissa~ > >May as well ask me to give up chocolate. >No can do! >Jackie >-- >Jacalyn S. Newman >jacalynsue@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:21:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shayne T Subject: Re: Episode Science Question (Physics?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Unless the person has a heart attack from fear, it's not the fall that kills them, it's the impact. http://www.sciencenet.org.uk/database/Physics/0104/p01496d.html http://members.aol.com/MercStG/FFAccPage1.html These two sites talk about the phenomenon. A quote from one site says, "It is estimated that the human body reaches it=92s peak of velocity after falling 1,880 feet, and therefore, it is totally irrelevant whether the body falls from 3,000 feet or 30,000 feet, the result will be the same. The maximum speed of a body falling in a horizontal position is 125 m.p.h., but it can attain speeds of 185 m.p.h. if falling in a headlong position. From the examples shown, it is highly unlikely that a person actually dies whilst falling from such heights." It's the impact that kills. However: "When working out the force of an impact there are two important things to consider: the speed at which you hit whatever you land in; and the time the collision takes. The longer the collision, the less damage. Running into a rubber mat hurts less than a brick wall because the rubber mat slows you down gently rather than stopping you abruptly." I think that we generally assume that whatever allows Clark to ignore inertia in general also allows him to cushion the people's fall. Otherwise, when Clark saved Calvin Dregg at superspeed from the falling Amplifier, he'd have turned him into a dreg shaped smear. Gold, depending on whether it is 14k or 18k, and whether it is soft, medium or hard, melts anywhere from 1250 to 1575 degrees farenheit (657-857 degrees c). The space shuttle experiences temperatures of 2300 degrees on the nose cap and wings, while the sides only rise to 700 to 1200 degrees. I suppose the gold of the ring could have survived, but it would have had to be thrown at escape velocity to go into orbit, which would be something like 25,000 mph. Most likely, as Cindy says, the diamond would be ok, but the rest of moms ring would be toast. Hope this helps! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:31:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis Thanks, everyone, for your support. It's gratifying to get this many responses, this quickly. I do have someone looking into another server ... we might be able to link up with another exisiting forum. Stay tuned! On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:12:53 -0700, Eowyn Akra wrote: >Oddly enough, I found topic in the archives, but >haven't gotten any of the emails yet. I know I'm a >bit of a lurker here, Thanks for the offier, Eowyn, but I don't mind continuing to act as list mom. I just can't handle the technical part of things too. As for your other comment, have you gotten *any* emails from this list since you subscribed? If not, then I think it's a safe bet that you set yourself to NOMAIL when you subscribed. This means that you don't get individual posts sent directly to your mailbox. It's a handy feature -- it lets you read on the archive page as your leisure, without filling up your mailbox. But it's not something that we do without you knowing; you would have created that setting yourself. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:58:28 -0500 Reply-To: peabody Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: peabody Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie wrote: . > Cannot give this list up. I just can't! > > > May as well ask me to give up chocolate. > No can do! Well, I gave up chocolate (allergies :p) and lived to tell the tale, but I don't think I could give up this list! I'm afraid I don't know anything about the technical aspects so I can't offer to help there. Yahoo sounds like a viable option, though. I'm on another L&C list and a women's health list that circulate through Yahoo groups, and there don't seem to be many problems with either (at least not on the receiving end--I don't know how easy or difficult set-up would be ;) Pat peabody@ameritech.net pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:46:03 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Meredith Knight Subject: Re: Episode Science Question (Physics?) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 I don't know why falling itself should be a problem (just the stopping part!) Sky-divers routinely reach terminal velocity, i.e. as fast as it's possible to fall through air, before they open their parachutes, and I've never heard that it does them any harm. You're right about the other parts, though :^) Meredith In article , Bethy Em writes >Okay, recently I noticed something that frustrated me -- often when someone >is falling (ie from a building, airplane, etc), Superman catches them just >before the hit the ground -- even, as in "Chi of Steel" by the foot right >before his head made contact. Wouldn't the force of that stop be just as >dangerous to the brain as impact? Because inertia would keep the brain >going and slam it into the skull. > >Also, from the really high heights (Diana Stride's building in Top Copy, >maybe Dillinger after the movies in TOGOM) -- I was under the impression >(from The Princess Bride, so admittedly my data is suspect) that the fall >would kill a person before s/he went Smack! Is this true? And if so, would >those heights I mentioned be enough to kill them before S-man caught them? > >Second, semi-related but different question about when Clark throws the >engagement ring into outer space in WHALTTA. I know that things burn at >really super hot temperatures during re-entry to the atmosphere -- is there >anything like that going out? Would the ring have survived that throw? > >Just curiousity, no connection to a fanfic (at least not conciously, yet). > >Thanks! > >Bethy > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Meredith Knight "All the pebbles had fat smiling faces, and the anemones had mad bright eyes above their frills." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 00:01:49 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Becky Bain Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >So we have to decide what we want to do -- do we try to move this >list to another server, or do we just close up shop? I don't go to the message boards, so this is where I get my fanfic discussion fix! Another listserv server (or majordomo) or Yahoo - any of these would be fine with me! For the record, I do run three (or is it four?) lists over on Yahoo, and while it's not my favorite way to do things (I liked the old Onelist much better!) it's pretty easy to figure out. I'd be glad to help with the technical part of setting up over there, if I'm needed. Becky rbain@qwest.net "Heroes are people who rise to the occasion and slip quietly away." - Tom Brokaw ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:02:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eowyn Akra Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kathy Brown wrote: > As for your other comment, have you gotten *any* > emails from this list since > you subscribed? Yes, I've been getting emails. For some reason I just got those emails a few hours delayed. :) ~Eowyn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:24:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: John Debbage <106532.433@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd just like to add that I'd hate to see the list finish. I don't mind where you move to, but please just keep it going. Unfortunately, I'd be no use in helping with the transfer as I'm totally lost when it comes to anything more than switching on the computer. I'd = be happy to go along with whatever is decided as long as its not shut down. Yours Jenni ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:53:49 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: CapperScully@AOL.COM Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dean was so smart!!!! I have decided that I am going to go to Princeton:) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:06:25 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2001 10:39:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klesch@MIT.EDU writes: > I'd be willing to move us to YahooGroups, if that's the way we want to go. > I'm looking into the technical aspect of this, and it doesn't look too > difficult. I'm also wondering if it's possible to save the archives and > re-upload them somewhere else... Anyway, Kathy, let me know if you want me > to go ahead with this. I don't think I'd want to moderate the list myself; > I'd be happy to pass that back to you. Okay... I'm the odd man out . I actually *like* the yahoo lists. What can I say... it's convienient having all your lists in one place. You can make adjustments to everything at once, and it's simple to find things... just go to www.groups.yahoo.com and you're done. Simple. I think the move to Yahoo is a great idea, and YES, it is easy to do. Someone starts it, announces it, and we all run there to sign up. Simple indeed... the rest is just the same matter of babysitting that any other moderator does. So my vote is for Yahoo. -Crys- who actually *likes* AOL... go figure ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:14:01 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Phillip Atcliffe Subject: Re: Episode Science Question (Physics?) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:22:48 +0000 Bethy Em wrote: > Okay, recently I noticed something that frustrated me -- often when someone is falling (ie from a building, airplane, etc), Superman catches them just before the hit the ground -- even, as in "Chi of Steel" by the foot right before his head made contact. Wouldn't the force of that stop be just as dangerous to the brain as impact? Because inertia would keep the brain going and slam it into the skull. < Yes, you're right. As other people have posted, it's not the fall that hurts, it's the sudden stop at the bottom! However, inertia is a debatable point with Superman . If we assume that it works normally, then some of his rescues should be more harmful than whatever he's "saving" the rescuee from. For instance, the classic swoop-and-scoop of Lois (e.g., in OP when the bad guy drops the flagpole on her) ought to involve quite high accelerations, more than enough to break bones or worse, but she's unharmed -- shaken, but okay physically. So it's at least consistent to say that Superman has some means of absorbing or transmitting momentum (or kinetic energy) which allows him to "catch" people without hurting them. Actually, such a power could explain many of his super-powers (all together now, Kon-El fans: "Tactile TK!" ), but let's not get into that. > Also, from the really high heights (Diana Stride's building in Top Copy, maybe Dillinger after the movies in TOGOM) -- I was under the impression (from The Princess Bride, so admittedly my data is suspect) that the fall would kill a person before s/he went Smack! Is this true? And if so, would those heights I mentioned be enough to kill them before S-man caught them? < Only if they died of fright. Plenty of people have mentioned skydivers, so I don't need to repeat that. > Second, semi-related but different question about when Clark throws the engagement ring into outer space in WHALTTA. I know that things burn at really super hot temperatures during re-entry to the atmosphere -- is there anything like that going out? Would the ring have survived that throw? < Probably not, but it _might_. Here's why: It's all a matter of just _how_ fast the ring was moving. IIRC, we see Clark throw the ring, which whizzes into space, where he catches it. The big question, on which all else in this matter depends (though it may not seem like it) is, how high was Clark when he caught it? The higher he (and it) is, the faster it must have been moving -- and therefore, the higher the temperature the ring will have to withstand. BUT, it doesn't have to withstand it for very long! The melting point of gold is 1063 degrees C, according to my old chemical data book. A very rough calculation shows that that temperature is easily exceeded by an object moving fast enough to reach Low Earth Orbit (LEO) altitudes as quickly as is shown on screen. Note that the ring doesn't actually have to go into orbit; in fact, it's more likely to exceed orbital velocity. However, the high temperatures only exist for a fraction of a second and decrease fairly quickly as the ring shoots out of the atmosphere. To go into any more detail would require some fairly extensive heat transfer analysis which in turn would involve putting some numbers to things like the interception altitude and time of flight; without those numbers... it might be damaged and it mightn't -- particularly as the ring itself is unlikely to be pure gold. I guess the same thing would apply to things like the golf ball Clark hits into space in a Season 1 teaser (what ep was that?) and the red K lasers in UW. Phil ---- "Phil Atcliffe, Dr, Sir, Phil Atcliffe. Fanfic writer, mad scientist, friend of Lois and Clark, and now, it seems, co-creator of a time machine!" -- Kath Roden "[...] an incredible icon for our generation." -- Kristin Drew "No, I don't believe [them], either." -- Fred Dagg ---- Whether you believe them or not , you can e-mail me at Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:22:11 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll just echo everything everyone else has said so far about keeping this list going somehow! Kathy, thank you so much for trying to find a solution here; I love this list, and losing it would be like losing lots of friends in one fell swoop. Best of luck! Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:24:56 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just please keep the list going. Carol ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:38:10 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicola Baker Subject: Re: Unforeseen Consequences Part 10/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit s s s s s s s s s s s s You have to wonder just how many people have kryptonian children... also how many of them know about it, since the mothers might have hidden the fact from their husbands for fear of being disowned. I mean, not all men are as nice as Clark and Henderson. Probable half the population of Smallville for starters! Keep it coming, I wanna know what happens next. Nic ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:25:45 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/01/2001 9:48:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: << So we have to decide what we want to do -- do we try to move this list to another server, or do we just close up shop? >> as one who resists going to the mbs, hmm, we can't find another folc at IU? Gosh, I'd miss all this mail in my mailbox -- and the contact with folcs... --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:36:21 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/02/2001 5:25:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 106532.433@COMPUSERVE.COM writes: << Unfortunately, I'd be no use in helping with the transfer as I'm totally lost when it comes to anything more than switching on the computer. >> I don't know, Jenni. YOu seem to do quite well at writing and posting your stories. :) --Laurie (chanting, "more, more") ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:38:02 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/02/2001 6:07:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JCWimmer@AOL.COM writes: << So my vote is for Yahoo. >> I'm sort of hoping another option comes up. I am getting an incredible amount of spam from yahoo addresses, and if Irene didn't have a yahoo address, I'd gladly block all mail from yahoo at this e-dress as i've done for another i occasionally use. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:47:55 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laurie wrote: > I'm sort of hoping another option comes up. I am getting an incredible amount > of spam from yahoo addresses, and if Irene didn't have a yahoo address, I'd > gladly block all mail from yahoo at this e-dress as i've done for another i > occasionally use. In relation to spam, what I'm finding is that frequently the yahoo and MSN addresses are forged, and the spam actually comes from other ISPs - especially optus.net.au. Though that doesn't help if your mail software believes that it's from yahoo and you want to block it... :/ Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 08:17:58 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rowan Fuller Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 02/10/01 02:54:23 GMT Daylight Time, jacalynsue@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > I say we move to a new home. And as much as I loathe yahoo's clubs, > they would serve the purpose. > Cannot give this list up. I just can't! > I'm all for that. Rowan :) -- -- -- LaneKent@aol.com website homepage: http://members.aol.com/lanekent . ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 08:23:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Merckle Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: <14d.1de5cbe.28eb011a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, No Name Available wrote: > << So my vote is for Yahoo. >> > > I'm sort of hoping another option comes up. I am getting an incredible > amount of spam from yahoo addresses, and if Irene didn't have a yahoo > address, I'd gladly block all mail from yahoo at this e-dress as i've > done for another i occasionally use. Laurie, Isn't it possible to set the system up to accept Irene's mail and a yahoo list, and junk the rest? I know I could do it with my primary account (using pine), and was fiddling around with Compuserv's e-mail controls last night to block an outfit that has decided they want to spam me no matter how many times I complain, or who I complain to. (They just change the "list" they put me on, so now they are blocked.) While I'm at it, I'll add that I am all in favor of continuing this as a list of some sort. I can count on one hand the number of times I've visited the message boards, so if this list goes, it takes with it my primary link with FOLCdom. Nancy -------------------------------------------------------------- nancym@charm.net ..... (future) http://www.charm.net/~nancym/ The Kitties Page ........... http://members.aol.com/Mysnats/ My Sister's Karaoke Site ............ http://karaokeklub.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:39:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Like some of the others, YahooGroups is my vote, unless we can find another student... It's a real no-brainer to use, I should know, I have set up several groups there ;-) And you can make it a private, invitation only group that can't be seen on searches :-) You can do web only, digests(but it's not as nice as the Listserv), or individual. There is better threading of messages, in some respects. They keep making changes, usually for the better. Plus there are quite a few other perks. -You can easily upload files/photos to a static holding area that everyone can use. -There is an event Calendar where you can do birthdays and conferences, etc... -you can do polling -You used to be able to set up Chats, but they are currently down. Ok, so I like it alot! James ===== The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools[morally deficient people] despise wisdom and discipline. Proverbs 1:7 For the time will come when [people] will not put up with sound [teaching]. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:54:23 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Fw: Re: OT: Dean alert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Forgot that Yvonne has that glitch which means replies go to her instead of the list! Oops! > Yvonne wrote: > > > I'd be very surprised if the BBC air this program in the UK. I don't know > > how these things work, but I doubt whether it's even owned by the BBC, > since > > it's the American version of the show - do correct me if I'm wrong, > because > > I'd be interested to find out. > Actually, the BBC has shown US episodes of The Weakest Link - mainly in the early evening slot on BBC2. I think it may well have been to satisfy viewer curiosity/to boast at having sold not only the format but also the presenter to the US. I only saw a couple, at a time when I had a few days off work, and found it very amusing to see how Anne Robinson had varied her repertoire of 'insults' to the American contestants and audience. It was also fascinating to see how much money was on offer, compared to the slim pickings on the early evening version here - £1000 total per round, with a possible £10,000 total for the programme. Average winnings are between £2000 - £3000. The prime-time version, when it's on, seems to offer a total of £20,000 for the programme, and I think £2500 per round. Personally, I enjoy The Weakest Link. The insults don't bother me; they seem to be par for the course on both sides, and it's part of the humour of the game. Some contestants answer back these days - they didn't at first - and it's clear that none of them take it seriously. And call me weird if you like, but most of the time I enjoy the mini-interviews with the contestants who've been voted off. But then, we wouldn't be human if our tastes didn't vary! Wendy (who loathes what seems to be most other FoLCs' favourite ep of L&C! ) -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:27:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: *Listserv* Crisis, not the L&C Fanfic Archive! Just a quick note to clarify for some people -- this problem we are having affects this listserv ONLY, not the L&C Fanfic Archive! LabRat has been getting messages from people freaking out, all for nothing. :) We have our own domain name for the L&C Fanfic Archive, and it's not through IU or any other place that requires special membership -- it's a pay service, which is what the fundraising efforts go towards. So please don't panic about the main Archive! The only connection between the two is that I was in charge of both places so we used the Archive site to house both its FAQ and this one. When I refered to the listserv archive, I was talking about the site where all of our posts are stored -- that's it! Hope that sets some minds at ease. Oh! And our first attempt at finding a new host for this listserv has fallen through, unfortunately, so I think we are back to Yahoo. If anyone is willing to research that for me, please let me know! Kathy List Mom and EIC Emeritus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:29:27 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/2/01 7:48:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes: > In relation to spam, what I'm finding is that frequently the yahoo and MSN > addresses are forged, and the spam actually comes from other ISPs - > especially optus.net.au. Though that doesn't help if your mail software > believes that it's from yahoo and you want to block it... :/ > True, though blocking all mail with yahoo addresses from my other e-dress has made a HUGE dent in the amount of spam I get there! --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:37:31 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Fw: Re: OT: Dean alert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/2/01 9:56:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes: > and found it very amusing to see how Anne Robinson had varied her repertoire > and how was that? I didn't find her very insulting to the celebreties; it was more teasing. But then, i'd never watched that show before (and probably won't again). I did notice a few contestants had to ask her to repeat a question because they obviously didn't quite catch/understand what she'd said! I'd say only Dean took the whole thing seriously. Everyone else was just kidding (except for the earning money for charity). --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:51:36 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Fw: *Listserv* Crisis, not the L&C Fanfic Archive! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fwding for Kathy. :) - LabRat > Just a quick note to clarify for some people -- this problem we are having > affects this listserv ONLY, not the L&C Fanfic Archive! LabRat has been > getting messages from people freaking out, all for nothing. :) > > We have our own domain name for the L&C Fanfic Archive, and it's not through > IU or any other place that requires special membership -- it's a pay service, > which is what the fundraising efforts go towards. > > So please don't panic about the main Archive! The only connection between > the two is that I was in charge of both places so we used the Archive site to > house both its FAQ and this one. When I refered to the listserv archive, I > was talking about the site where all of our posts are stored -- that's it! > > Hope that sets some minds at ease. > > Oh! And our first attempt at finding a new host for this listserv has fallen > through, unfortunately, so I think we are back to Yahoo. If anyone is > willing to research that for me, please let me know! > > Kathy > List Mom > and EIC Emeritus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:43:58 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I confess I have not read all the other responses to this message but I wanted to mention that I am one of those (annoying?) FoLCs who prefers e-mail to MB's. I do all this from work, (though my laptop finally got ordered: did I mention our finance department was 1.5 blocks from the WTC?). I may change my feelings about this when I have access from home but right now, it is a whole lot easier to participate on e-mail, which comes to me like the NY Times every day, than to go looking for the information on the MB's, which are not always that reliable either:( Just my two cent worth:) I was about to look at the archive of the listserve and was wondering when it started. Is it literally four years ago? If that is the case, I did not actually miss much..... :) Carolyn >Well, everyone, we have a problem. > >Farah has just informed me that IU has finally figured out that she's no >longer a student there, and is going to terminate her access to this >listserv. So we have to decide what we want to do -- do we try to move this >list to another server, or do we just close up shop? > >To be honest, while I would be happy to continue moderating the list, I have >neither the time nor the interest to learn the technical side of things. >Bottom line: I'm not up for finding us a new home or setting things up once >we got there. > >This listserv has been really fun lately, so it's unfortunate this would >happen right now. However, I'm well aware that the message boards have >become the center of activity for the posting of fanfic. We, on the other >hand, seem to concentrate more on fanfic questions and characterization >discussion. There's no reason why this kind of discussion couldn't move to >the MBs, though I know some people prefer to participate via email. > >So what do you think? Would there be someone out there willing to take over >the technical side of things and move us to a new server? Or should we >simply call it a wonderful four years and cherish the memories? (And yes, >the irony to that statement being able to apply to the show itself did hit me >as I wrote it. ) > >Either way, I would recommend anyone who wants to save a particular thread do >so now ... I have no idea how long IU will maintain the post archive once >they terminate the listserv. > >All posts made to the listserv since we began are available here: > >http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html > >Kathy >List Mom ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:53:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Katherine L. Klesch" Subject: Re: *Listserv* Crisis, not the L&C Fanfic Archive! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Oh! And our first attempt at finding a new host for this listserv has fallen >through, unfortunately, so I think we are back to Yahoo. If anyone is >willing to research that for me, please let me know! I'd be willing to do it, Kathy, but as far as I know it's really not difficult at all. If you'd prefer to do it yourself, I can direct you to the site to sign up. Or I can do it this afternoon. Let me know. I'm also looking into the possibility of saving the archives. I think I've managed to download all of them, but the site runs on scripts instead of links (instead of linking to each message directly, there's a program that keeps track of them all). Most free webservers don't allow cgi scripts, and I don't have any experience with them, anyway. So to reformat the entire thing would take some time. But if we could get that done, we could just upload the archives to some free webserver (future archives would be available on Yahoo). I'm willing to look into it, but I couldn't guarantee how long it would take to get it up and running. Anyway, let me know what you want to do. Kaylle ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:13:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Chisham Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis Comments: To: Carolyn Schnall Yes, it was literally four years ago. There was the original loiscla list in Turkey, but the server kept going down all the time. I happened to be at IU at the time and knew I could get one going without too much trouble. I actually used Majordomo at one time (which could be another possibility) but there are some negs to using that like no digest and (I think) no archiving. I could get a Majordomo going again at IU--you have to have some kind of IU email address which I do have through the computer science department. Hence the fchisham@cs.indiana.edu and not fchisham@indiana.edu. It's a sub-system of indiana.edu. I believe that most Universities offer Majordomo for free and is easy to use. It works very much like Listserv--it's just an older program. Farah On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:43:58 -0400, Carolyn Schnall wrote: >I was about to look at the archive of the listserve and was wondering >when it started. Is it literally four years ago? If that is the >case, I did not actually miss much..... :) > >Carolyn > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:38:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: The new boards Is anyone else having problems getting to the new board at BlueTights? James ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:14:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Liz S Subject: Re: The new boards Yeah, they've been kind of tweaky! It seems to be hit and miss, which is sooo frustrating, as you wait patiently for a new story section to be posted, hopefully! Liz S. :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:24:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Chisham Subject: How to retrieve archive logs from the listserv Please email me if you have any questions. Thanks. Farah >References: <2.2.32.20011002154411.00be309c@pop3.norton.antivirus> >Subject: Re: Loiscla-general-l >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:58:02 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >Content-Length: 1906 > >Your subscriber can send this command to listserv@indiana.edu: > >index loiscla-general-l > >and she will get back a message that contains information like the >following: > >-------- > LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9708 LOG OWN 379,865 1997-08-25 13:30:58 > LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9708D LOG OWN 130,950 1997-08-28 22:30:37 > LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9708E LOG OWN 246,036 1997-08-31 22:08:17 > LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9709A LOG OWN 263,757 1997-09-07 11:05:52 > LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9709B LOG OWN 208,681 1997-09-14 23:06:43 > LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9709C LOG OWN 105,278 1997-09-21 23:18:32 > >Each one of these log files can then be retrieved by sending this command to >listserv@indiana.edu: > >get LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9708 > >where the logfile name can be changed. These files contain postings by week >by month and it will be easier to retrieve them this way rather than one at >a time. > >I'll maintain the list until the 22nd of this month. > >UITS Messaging Team >IUB ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:27:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Fw: *Listserv* Crisis, not the L&C Fanfic Archive! On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:51:36 +0100, LabRat wrote: >Fwding for Kathy. :) - LabRat Actually, Lab, this one did go to the entire list, not just to you. Not sure what your header said that made you think so, but it showed up on the website only seconds after I posted it, as normal. This one was a new post, not a reply to an existing post, so it would have no way of finding you but not everyone else. Thanks so much for helping, though. :) Kathy (who has been very encouraged by the offers of support and assistance!) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:15:28 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis In-Reply-To: <14d.1de5cbe.28eb011a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I'm sort of hoping another option comes up. I am getting an incredible amount >of spam from yahoo addresses, and if Irene didn't have a yahoo address, I'd >gladly block all mail from yahoo at this e-dress as i've done for another i >occasionally use. > >--Laurie As far as spam from yahoo goes, Laurie, you never - okay, rarely - get spam from them as a result of being on a yahoo group. Yeah, you get the odd spammer join your group, but the listmom can boot them fast, or opt to approve all memberships, or whatever is needed to screen them out. And yes, you have to have a yahoo addy to join the group, but you can opt to get your list mail at another address if you want to. For eg, I use this address for all my yahoo groups (41 of them currently), but I also use melismamcgregor@yahoo.com there. I just go in and check the address every month or so - to date there has been *no* mail there, spam or otherwise... Melisma (off to get breakfast here under her Rock - she's starved! :) Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:58:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: listery crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope we can keep the listery going as e-mail communication. It's been a lifeline for me. I find the MB's much more difficult to access and not as easy to 'talk' through. Would like to avoid the spam, though. I get very little right now. Thanks to Kathy and Farah for their years of work keeping this listery going, and thanks to those who are stepping up to meet the crisis now. :) Jude ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:15:04 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: The new boards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had an internal server error show up once this afternoon. I suspect that Zoom is probably making last minute adjustments here and there and perhaps it will take a couple of days to 'bed in' so to speak. LabRat :) > Yeah, they've been kind of tweaky! It seems to be hit and miss, which is > sooo frustrating, as you wait patiently for a new story section to be > posted, hopefully! > > Liz S. :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:16:45 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Fw: *Listserv* Crisis, not the L&C Fanfic Archive! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmmmm. Wasn't the header so much as the fact that it only had one eddress on it - mine. Very odd. Never mind, least it got there. LabRat :) > > Actually, Lab, this one did go to the entire list, not just to you. Not sure > what your header said that made you think so, but it showed up on the website > only seconds after I posted it, as normal. This one was a new post, not a > reply to an existing post, so it would have no way of finding you but not > everyone else. Thanks so much for helping, though. :) > > Kathy (who has been very encouraged by the offers of support and assistance!) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:26:34 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Fw: *Listserv* Crisis, not the L&C Fanfic Archive! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, I have NO idea how this ended up here because I hit reply on Kathy's email to me and IT certainly wasn't addressed to the list. :P Sorry about that. LabRat (currently somewhere in the Twilight Zone...) > Hmmmmmm. Wasn't the header so much as the fact that it only had one eddress > on it - mine. Very odd. Never mind, least it got there. > > LabRat :) > > > > > Actually, Lab, this one did go to the entire list, not just to you. Not > sure > > what your header said that made you think so, but it showed up on the > website > > only seconds after I posted it, as normal. This one was a new post, not a > > reply to an existing post, so it would have no way of finding you but not > > everyone else. Thanks so much for helping, though. :) > > > > Kathy (who has been very encouraged by the offers of support and > assistance!) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:19:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Spam & Yahoo was Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess a lot of spammers like to get (or fake) yahoo addresses, but I don't think that has too much to do with whether or not you're on a yahoo list. I changed email a month or two ago, and the first thing I did was switch all of my yahoo lists (including the two I moderate). I'm still getting a ton of spam on my old email address (gotta remember to cancel that service!) but very little if any on my new address. For what it's worth :) Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / ChiefPam@nc.rr.com http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam "But then of course so many people are silly about a man who doesn't do any fighting in a war. So stupid of them, because it's so much more sensible not to, don't you think? If we all just didn't, I mean, well where would people like Hitler have been?" "In Buckingham Palace and the White House, I imagine," grunted her husband. "Don't be silly, dear. How could he have been in two places at once?" --from Death in Kashmir, by M. M. Kaye ----- Original Message ----- From: "No Name Available" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Fanfic Listserv Crisis > In a message dated 10/2/01 7:48:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes: > > > > In relation to spam, what I'm finding is that frequently the yahoo and MSN > > addresses are forged, and the spam actually comes from other ISPs - > > especially optus.net.au. Though that doesn't help if your mail software > > believes that it's from yahoo and you want to block it... :/ > > > > True, though blocking all mail with yahoo addresses from my other e-dress has > made a HUGE dent in the amount of spam I get there! > > --Laurie > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:50:32 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2001 4:15:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LoisLane9397@AOL.COM writes: > Dean > must of too because most of the time I saw him holding onto his stand for > Ok, you better have your TV checked becuase in my version he was very serious through the whole night. ;) All kidding aside. It was not the Dean we are used to seeing in front of the camera, he obviouly took the charity very seriously. I said Kudos to him and I'm glad he redeameed himself from his Jeopardy stink a few years ago. Anne ;) Visit the Lois & Clark Nfic Archive www.annesplace.net "If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck ... chances are pretty good it is a duck." - Lois Lane; Strange Visitor From Another Planet "...Grab a bottle, hunker down and pray for daylight!" - Karen Walker; Guess Who's Not Coming to Dinner ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:22:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Katherine L. Klesch" Subject: Re: "The L Team" and Yahoo Spam In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Kaylle and Erin, did you see Farah's post to the listserv about how >to download the old archive? Can you try it to see if it works? Or >Kaylle, have you already gotten them all? (We can get the October >ones once we move to the new list, so we just need to worry about >Sept 1997 to Sept 2001 right now. Those aren't changing.) What I tried to do was to save the entire thing at once using IE6's synchronize function, which supposedly allows you to make a website available when you're not online. (You can specify how many links deep to save, so I tried 2 deep from the main archive- one for weeks and one for posts.) This seemed far easier than going through page by page and saving each message separately. However, I seem to have had some trouble with that and I'm not sure why; it only saved the last few month's worth of posts. I think maybe it just started at the top of the archive page and worked its way down, and stopped somewhere when it got bored or something. ;-) Anyway, I don't think that's going to be a viable option, which means going through by hand and saving all the posts one by one. Maybe we could have a team of people helping with that? Erin, let me know what you think about all of this. Also, Pam said: >I guess a lot of spammers like to get (or fake) yahoo addresses, but I don't >think that has too much to do with whether or not you're on a yahoo list. I >changed email a month or two ago, and the first thing I did was switch all >of my yahoo lists (including the two I moderate). I'm still getting a ton >of spam on my old email address (gotta remember to cancel that service!) but >very little if any on my new address. I think the concern here is not that joining the list will cause them to get more spam, it's that having the list at a yahoo address means they can't block yahoo anymore. Most email programs allow you to block messages from certain users or even to block entire servers. So if we move to yahoo, they won't be able to block out that server anymore, which would theoretically open them up for spam again if they'd had a problem in the past. I'm not sure how to fix that problem; is it possible on some email programs to block entire servers and then opt to allow only a select few from it? If not, the only other option would be to try a different list server, or put up with yahoo spam. Just my 2 cents, Kaylle ;-) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:30:14 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: "The L Team" and Yahoo Spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/2/01 5:25:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, klesch@MIT.EDU writes: > ; is it possible on some email programs > to block entire servers and then opt to allow only a select few from it? > If anyone knows a way to do this on AOL, please please tell me! I haven't seen that option. --Laurie (who wants to remain Irene's BR, but is very tired of yahoo spam) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:39:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... In-Reply-To: <170.1cdfb12.28eb8298@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Anne: I agree with you there:) Of course, it is possible he was also remembering his Jeopardy performance and was determined not to repeat it....:) Carolyn >In a message dated 10/1/2001 4:15:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >LoisLane9397@AOL.COM writes: > > >> Dean >> must of too because most of the time I saw him holding onto his stand for >> > >Ok, you better have your TV checked becuase in my version he was very serious >through the whole night. ;) > >All kidding aside. It was not the Dean we are used to seeing in front of the >camera, he obviouly took the charity very seriously. I said Kudos to him and >I'm glad he redeameed himself from his Jeopardy stink a few years ago. > >Anne ;) > >Visit the Lois & Clark Nfic Archive >www.annesplace.net > >"If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck ... >chances are pretty good it is a duck." - Lois Lane; Strange Visitor From >Another Planet > >"...Grab a bottle, hunker down and pray for daylight!" - Karen Walker; Guess >Who's Not Coming to Dinner ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:51:42 +1000 Reply-To: jenerators@optushome.com.au Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jen Stosser Subject: Re: The new boards In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe I've been missing posts here? I don't check the message boards very often, but I was aware there were problems with them currently. Where was an announcement made of the new URL? This email is the first reference I've seen anywhere of BlueTights????? Jen jenerators@optushome.com.au -*- This message is umop ap!sdn -*- -*- Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- Photos of David (9) and Megan (6) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://www.geocities.com/j_stosser -*-Please sign our guestbook! -----Original Message----- From: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic [mailto:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU] On Behalf Of James Tull Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 2:39 AM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: The new boards Is anyone else having problems getting to the new board at BlueTights? James ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:21:23 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: CapperScully@AOL.COM Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought he looked cuter than ever!!!! (Am I alone?) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:26:42 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/2/01 1:51:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, AMCiotola@AOL.COM writes: > Ok, you better have your TV checked becuase in my version he was very serious > through the whole night. ;) > > Oh no...I'm not saying he was laughing all night...he was VERY serious. But whenever the group got a bit goofy when Anne went around and asked them questions...I always saw Dean holding onto the stand while laughing. Maybe some of you didn't think it was laughing...but believe me it was laughing. That is a Cain family laugh. I saw Roger laugh the same way...while holding onto a chair and I saw him in person! LOL! I don't need my TV fixed....that's for sure! ;) Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:29:16 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: OT: Dean Alert... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/2/01 3:22:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CapperScully@AOL.COM writes: > I thought he looked cuter than ever!!!! > > (Am I alone?) > > > > Nope :) Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 01:12:39 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Xylo Xenophon Subject: Re: "The L Team" and Yahoo Spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, > >Kaylle and Erin, did you see Farah's post to the listserv about how > >to download the old archive? Can you try it to see if it works? Or > >Kaylle, have you already gotten them all? i did not get Farah's Post (yet) however i have got the archive from 97 and 98 from the listserver (not the web interface) (files 9708 to 9712E and 9801A to 9812E) retrieve the list of archived files: send to the listerver a mail with the body (yes, to the server, not the list) to: LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU body: index LOISCLA-GENERAL-L you get an email sent back to you: * * Archive files for the LOISCLA-GENERAL-L list at LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU * (weekly logs) * * filename filetype GET PUT size (bytes) date time * -------- -------- --- --- ------------ ---------- -------- LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9708 LOG OWN 379,865 1997-08-25 13:30:58 LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9708D LOG OWN 130,950 1997-08-28 22:30:37 LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9708E LOG OWN 246,036 1997-08-31 22:08:17 ... (contd) to retrieve a file: to: LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU body: get LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9708 these log's are huge, *don't* let listserv send you all files at once, this will flood your mailbox *and* draw mighty resources from your isp and INDIANA - and drown some poor SYSOPS underway;) I suggest an coordinated effort. commands:(body: INFO REFCARD) (excerpt) INDex Order a list of LISTSERV files GET fn ft <(options> Order the specified file or package Xenophon -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:11:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Unforeseen Consequences: Part 11/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unforeseen Consequences Part 11/? by Nan Smith CJ kept his ears tuned for further developments as he crept down the hallway toward the room where the other children had been imprisoned. He had to watch his step. The ancient carpet had its share of tatters and holes, and places where it had come loose from the tacking that had held it to the floor. His super-hearing had gotten much more effective after his dad had helped him learn how to focus it precisely, and that was a big help. He could hear the slow approach of several automobiles over the gravel road, and hoped sincerely that Henderson was almost there. He was going to have to do this fast, though. As much as he trusted Mr. Henderson, if Dad wanted him to know about Superman, it was up to Dad to tell him. And no one else was going to get his hands on the Kryptonite if CJ had anything to say about it. As he moved, he was considering two things: how to distract the guard in front of the door long enough to get the kids out and how much to tell Wyatt. There was no way he was going to tell him about Dad and the others--not yet, anyway. He didn't think Dad and Mom would like it. There had to be a way to get his help without giving away Dad's secret. On the other hand, it was probably going to be pretty obvious that CJ couldn't get near the Kryptonite. Suddenly he knew what he was going to say. Dad had gotten along for years by telling the truth--but not all of it. CJ trusted Wyatt, but that wasn't really enough. Wyatt wasn't quite ten years old; he was pretty reliable, but he was still a kid, and it was possible he might make a mistake and let the truth slip. CJ had the right to risk himself, but not his family. That was up to them, not him. But part of the truth might do, at least for now. The upstairs of the house seemed to be laid out on three sides of a square. There was a corner ahead of him, and the hallway turned to the left. Some distance beyond that, it turned left again. Through several walls, he could see the kids, sitting forlornly in a small, dusty bedroom, and outside their door, a single guard, just as he had expected. Jonny had stopped crying although he was still sniffling a little, and Linda was comforting Jimmy. Marta, on the other hand, was prowling around the room like a caged tiger looking for a way out. CJ rounded the first corner and passed a wide staircase curving gracefully downward, the broad steps uncarpeted and scuffed. He'd hate to slip on that, he thought. Nearly opposite it, was a closet containing several very dusty pieces of clothing and a clutter on ancient junk on the floor and hanging from hooks on the walls. CJ grimaced. He was starting to get a mild headache from all this unaccustomed use of his x-ray vision, but it certainly saved him from having to open every door and check to see what was inside. Suddenly he stopped in his tracks. That was it. Now he knew exactly what to do. It might be a little risky, but it wouldn't really be that hard.... A few minutes later, he paused just around the corner from the room where the kids were imprisoned and took a deep, steadying breath. A man was sitting in a folding chair just outside the door and, unlike the two downstairs, this guy wasn't wearing a uniform. Instead, he was casually attired in jeans and a T-shirt. CJ's eyes widened and under his nervousness, he felt a tiny bit of anticipation. That was the guy who'd hit Marta. Talk about luck! If he could pull this off, he might even enjoy it--just a little. Feeling slightly guilty but determined, he surveyed the area, making sure he knew exactly what he was going to do. Then, he stepped out from behind his cover. "Hi," he said, calmly. "Catch!" He threw the ancient baseball he had retrieved from the closet as hard as he could at the guard's astonished face, turned and ran. Behind him, his super-hearing picked up the sound of a loud smack as the ball impacted on some part of the guard's anatomy, and a very human yell of pain and anger. There was a metallic crash as the folding chair went over on the floor and feet pounded after him. CJ ducked into his hiding place behind the next corner and waited, watching with his x-ray vision. He suspected he was going to have a monster headache after this was all over, but if things worked out all right, it would be worth it. The guard came thundering around the corner, and CJ congratulated himself briefly on his aim at the sight of a red, swollen mark encompassing the man's left eye and part of his cheek where the ball had apparently struck. Now, if the guy took the bait, he would be okay. If not, he might be in trouble. The guard skidded to a halt, staring for an instant at the piece of cloth protruding from the crack between the closet door and the frame. He yanked the door open with an exclamation of satisfaction. "Gotcha, you little--" CJ charged. His shoulder struck the guard at waist height in the middle of his back, shoving him forward into the closet and the tangling pieces of clothing hanging from the clothing rack. It took only an instant and he had slammed the door after the man. He thrust the key, which had been hanging by the door a few moments earlier, into the lock and turned it with a decisive click. That should hold him for a bit. The doors of the old house seemed to be heavy and solidly made, but CJ had very little faith in the lock's holding for more than a few minutes. He returned to his previous hiding place to retrieve the old, metal ironing board from the spot where he had stashed it earlier. With care, he braced it tightly against the door under the knob, with the other end rammed firmly against the railing of the staircase. That should hold him long enough for CJ to get the kids out, though he didn't want to count on it for much longer than that. The guard was yelling and pounding on the door, but his cries were muffled by the thickness of the panel. CJ didn't envy him, stuck in the cramped, dusty closet, but he didn't stop to worry about it. He hurried back toward the room where the kidnapped children were imprisoned. Marta whirled toward him, eyes wide when he yanked the door open. Her mouth fell open, but for once, he managed to jump in ahead of her questions. "Come on! Let's get out of here before we get caught!" "CJ?" His sister stared at him in shock. "What are you--" "Come on!" CJ gestured them out into the hall. "Don't make any noise, okay?" After a stunned second, they obeyed him. CJ pointed down the hall in the opposite direction from which he had come. "That way!" he whispered. "Hurry!" ********** "How did *you* get here?" Marta whispered, accusingly. "Tell you later. I don't have time to explain." CJ checked back the way they had come, but so far, no one appeared to have noticed the change in their status. "Mr. Henderson's on his way. You guys just have to stay out of sight until they get here." He pointed to the cord hanging from the ceiling. "If Wyatt and I give you a boost, can you grab that?" "Sure." Marta cast him a puzzled look. "Why?" "That's a door to the attic. If you pull it down, the stairs will come down and you can go up them and pull the door up behind you." "How do *you* know that?" CJ sighed deeply. "Because I saw one once, at somebody's house. Can we argue later? I don't want them to catch you guys again." "Us--what about *you*?" "I've got to do something really important." At the rebellious expression on her face, he added, "Somebody's got to stay with the little kids 'til Mr. Henderson gets here. Come on, Marta. That guy that hit you could get out of the closet any minute, and if he does, he's gonna be pretty mad." "How did *you* know about that?" she demanded. "Because I saw him, dopey! He's locked in a closet, but he might not stay there very long. Hurry up, will you?" She glared at him for a minute, then gave in. "Okay, but you're gonna explain it to me later!" CJ didn't give her a chance to change her mind. He glanced at Wyatt. "You take one side and I'll take the other. Ready....?" Implementing CJ's plan didn't take long. The steps hadn't been used recently, judging by their reluctance to budge, but it only took a couple of minutes to get them down to floor level. Marta looked doubtfully at the dark opening above them. "You want us to go up in *there*?" Wyatt looked questioningly at CJ, who nodded. He looked back at Marta. "I'm game if you are." "I need you to help me," CJ said. "Come on, Marta. You're not scared, are you?" Marta bristled. Wyatt saved the situation and forestalled another argument by saying, "Marta's not scared of anything, CJ." CJ saw Marta's face change. He hastily retrieved his misstep. "Look, I know it's dark, but you'll be pretty safe up there. Put something heavy over the hole so if anybody tries to get in they'll have to push it off. Mr. Henderson ought to be here in a few minutes." He turned to Linda, who was standing next to him. "Can you help her, Linda?" Linda nodded. She turned to Marta. "I'm going," she said, suddenly. "I'm not afraid of spiders or anything." Without another word, she began to ascend the ladder. That seemed break the impasse. Jonny and Jimmy followed Linda up the steps. Marta put one foot on the bottom step and looked at the two boys. "You guys be careful," she said, unexpectedly. "We will. Hurry!" CJ glanced down the hallway again. Still nobody, but he couldn't shake the feeling that he was running out of time. Marta went quickly up the stairs. As soon as she disappeared, the two boys pushed up the bottom section and the attic stairs folded up neatly. The ceiling trapdoor swung shut with a soft, sigh of air, leaving the cord swaying slightly. Wyatt looked at CJ. "Now what?" he asked. "Come on," CJ said. "We need to get something. There's a guy down there--he's got a chunk of Kryptonite; you know: the stuff that can hurt Superman. He's crazy--he thinks Superman is some kind of evil invader and wants to kill him. We've got to get hold of it before Mr. Henderson gets here." "How do you know all this?" Wyatt asked. "What's going on? How did you get here, and how come those weirdoes grabbed us, anyway?" He rubbed his arm, and CJ abruptly noticed the large bruise in the shape of a hand that discolored the skin. He swallowed. "Look, I'll explain it all to you later, okay? I need you to help me now, though." "Okay. What do we do?" "Well--" CJ pointed. "There's some back stairs that way. The last I saw, the guy was in his office and the stuff was on his desk. I'm gonna try to distract him, and you run in and get the Kryptonite. It's a piece of green rock." "I dunno," Wyatt said. "Why don't I distract him and you can go get it? You know what it looks like." "Because I can't," CJ said. "Besides, he might catch you." "He might catch you, too," Wyatt said, reasonably. "Why can't you?" CJ swallowed. He'd hoped to avoid answering the question, but Wyatt, as he expected, was too curious. The little guy didn't make straight A's in fifth grade because he was stupid. Well, here went nothing. "I can't touch the stuff," he said. "I can't even get near it, because it'll hurt me, too--just like Superman." Wyatt cast a skeptical glance at him. CJ took a deep breath. "These guys--Bureau 39--they're crazy, Wyatt. Remember the stuff we studied in history about the New Kryptonian invasion, and how Superman fought the leader--Lord Nor?" "Sure." "And you remember how the Army hit them with poison gas that had Kryptonite in it? It killed Lord Nor and his top lieutenants, but it didn't quite kill Superman." "Everybody knows about that," Wyatt said, impatiently. "Well, these guys--they think Earth is being invaded again. They think that some kids here on Earth are half-Kryptonian, from when the New Kryptonians invaded, and these Bureau 39 creeps think they're gonna try to take over Earth. They think Linda's one because she was born about the right time." Wyatt looked slightly doubtful. "That's dumb. But--" "I heard the guy with the Kryptonite say that they're bringing in a doctor to find out how her body works," CJ said. "I think they're gonna dissect her, if we don't stop 'em." He swallowed. "Wyatt, they're right about the half-Kryptonian kids--but the kids aren't trying to take over the Earth. They don't even know what they are yet." "Then, how come you know about it?" Wyatt asked. "You know I'm adopted, right?" Wyatt nodded. "Yeah. But--" "I found out about it last month--right after Superman saved us from Biff and the other guys that day. I didn't know before that. Superman said he started getting his powers when he was about ten and that I was starting to get 'em, too. Remember how I beat Biff at arm-wrestling? He says that some day I'll be like him, but that won't be for a long time and he said I shouldn't tell anybody unless I really trusted them, because if bad guys found out about it, they'd try to kill me and my family. Anyway," CJ concluded, "that's why I can't get near the Kryptonite. It'll hurt me, too." He looked Wyatt straight in the eye. "Now, are you gonna help me, or not?" Wyatt stared back at him for several seconds, and finally nodded. "Okay. You're gonna tell me more about it, later, aren't you?" "Sure. But let's hurry. Mr. Henderson's people are almost here." "How do you know?" "'Cause I can hear 'em coming. Come on. The stairs are through here." He pushed aside a tattered curtain to reveal a wooden door, which, when opened, revealed a narrow, uncarpeted flight of stairs. "How did you know that was there?" Wyatt asked. "Sh," CJ said. "I'm trying to hear." "Oh." Wyatt fell silent and CJ strained his ears. "I don't hear anybody down there," he said, after a minute. "Come on." The stairs emerged into the kitchen, of all places. CJ rubbed his forehead and squinted his eyes, peering around with his x-ray vision. The picture was blurrier than ever and his head started to throb but he could make out the man in camouflage gear standing by the window in what must be the living room, peering out into the dark. In his office, the chunk of Kryptonite was lying on his desk next to a cup of what was probably coffee. "What're you doing?" Wyatt asked. "Checking where people are. The guy's looking out the window in front of the house. Everybody else is wandering around outside." "How do you know that?" "X-ray vision. I told you I was starting to get some of Superman's powers." "Cool. Do you have to switch it on, or something?" "Huh? What are you talking about?" Wyatt shrugged. "I saw you rub your head. Do you have to switch it on?" "Oh." CJ grinned a little. "No. I've never used it this much before and it's making my head hurt. Come on. Mr. Henderson will be here in a minute." ********** "What's going on?" Henderson asked. Superman, Henderson and nine other men were bunched in a small, determined group at the row of pine trees that marked the edge of the old Packard estate. The Man of Steel drifted slowly upward until his feet were some ten feet above Henderson's head. After a long moment, he floated down again. "There are about twenty armed men wandering around the grounds," he reported. "They're wearing night vision goggles and they seem to be searching for something--or someone." "CJ," Henderson said. He gave a soft laugh. "I guess they haven't caught him, yet. That kid's got talent." "Definitely," Superman said, and Henderson heard the barest note of pride in his voice. "Is Cash one of them?" he asked. "No. Goons A and B are there, and I recognize a few of the others. I think Cash must be inside, still." "All right, here's what I want you to do, Superman. Fly in overhead and start picking off the guys outside as quietly as you can. I don't want them to have any idea that anything's happened until it's too late--but don't set foot inside. If the Kryptonite's here, you can bet Cash has it and I don't want him to have any warning--or any chance to destroy the evidence--got it?" "Got it." "All right, go." Superman rose silently upward again and vanished. Henderson turned to his men. "Everybody got your instructions memorized?" Determined nods all around answered him. "Okay, put on your night eyes and move out." ********** (tbc) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:33:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: The new boards On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:51:42 +1000, Jen Stosser wrote: >Maybe I've been missing posts here? I don't check the message boards >very often, but I was aware there were problems with them currently. >Where was an announcement made of the new URL? This email is the first >reference I've seen anywhere of BlueTights????? > The bluetights.com site just went up this weekend -- when you go to the old boards, there is a message that it has moved. But no, it wasn't officially announced here. Zoom decided to move the boards because lastson.com was giving her all sorts of problems, and terrible technical support when she tried to solve those problems. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:39:33 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicola Baker Subject: Re: Unforeseen Consequences: Part 11/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit s s s s s s s s s s s s s Neat way of telling half the truth! Nothing he said was a lie, but somehow he managed to give the impression that he was half-kryptonian, but none of the rest of his family was. Plus he told Wyatt that he trusted him. Oh, and I like this whole getting a part every day thing. Nic