From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG0108D" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 03:21:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Superman shirt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yay, you! I haven't seen the commercial, but it sounds like a really cool shirt! Tara ------------------------ I'm starting a Procrastinators Anonymous group . . . I'm going to get started on it tomorrow. No, really! Brigadier General StarKitty Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri www.stargate-sg1.com http://www.geocities.com/thestarkitty/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "April Sycamore" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: Superman shirt > Hey everyone! You know the superman shirts that were on that Jcpenney > commercial? Well, my parents got me one!!! It's dark dark blue, almost > black, and the "s" is silver. There is silver glitter all around it and then > in the middle written in red it says, "supergirl." > Sorry, I was just so excited I've been telling everyone, and since no one > else seems to care, I thought I'd tell all of you L&C fans!! > > April > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:32:38 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Grammar question: tack or tact? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here's a question for you grammar experts out there. :) "She tried a different tact." People use this all the time, but it feels wrong to me. Shouldn't it be "tack" -- that is, a different direction? Or is "tact" short for "tactic"? Hazel, who is curious ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:48:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lesley Hilliard Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree Hazel, it should be tack. Lesley in Brampton On Gallery -- http://hal.humberc.on.ca/~hlll0137/gallery.html From: "Hazel" > Here's a question for you grammar experts out there. :) > > "She tried a different tact." People use this all the time, but it feels > wrong to me. Shouldn't it be "tack" -- that is, a different direction? Or > is "tact" short for "tactic"? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:26:54 +0930 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LizO Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say tack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: Grammar question: tack or tact? > Here's a question for you grammar experts out there. :) > > "She tried a different tact." People use this all the time, but it feels > wrong to me. Shouldn't it be "tack" -- that is, a different direction? Or > is "tact" short for "tactic"? > > Hazel, who is curious ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:14:43 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hazel, it *is* 'tack'. People who say 'tact' are mis-hearing, in the same way as people who use 'thing' instead of 'think' in 'you've got another think coming' mis-hear the phrase. I suspect the origin is from sailing; to tack is to change the direction of the ship's course. So it'd be a metaphor for changing course. Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Grammar question: tack or tact? > Here's a question for you grammar experts out there. :) > > "She tried a different tact." People use this all the time, but it feels > wrong to me. Shouldn't it be "tack" -- that is, a different direction? Or > is "tact" short for "tactic"? > > Hazel, who is curious > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:18:45 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Fic challenge (was Re: NEW: It's Not Easy Being Me (1/1)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/2001 11:25:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, melisma@INTERGATE.CA writes: > > Melisma (giggling at the anticipation of reading all the stories, here > under her Rock) > > hehehehehe... I absolutely promise to put that in my next L&C story... I'm always looking for comic relief to go with my massive whams ;) -Crys- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:25:29 +1000 Reply-To: jenerators@optushome.com.au Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jen Stosser Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822133101.00a10df0@actcom.co.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently received a freebie book from Reader's Digest with the origins of some common phrases. It has the following: "Britain's history as a seafaring nation has left its mark on modern English language. Dozens of common idioms have their source in shipboard life during the age of sail: "in the same boat," "at the helm," "to run a tight ship," "on the rocks," "to keep things on an even keel," and so on. "Slightly less obvious are the phrases "on the wrong tack" (referring to an upwind course,..." I won't quote the rest of it, but I think that might give you your answer. Jen jenerators@optushome.com.au -*- This message is umop ap!sdn -*- -*- Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- Photos of David (9) and Megan (6) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://www.geocities.com/j_stosser -*-Please sign our guestbook! -----Original Message----- From: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic [mailto:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU] On Behalf Of Hazel Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:33 PM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Grammar question: tack or tact? Here's a question for you grammar experts out there. :) "She tried a different tact." People use this all the time, but it feels wrong to me. Shouldn't it be "tack" -- that is, a different direction? Or is "tact" short for "tactic"? Hazel, who is curious ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:35:22 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2001 6:33:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes: > "She tried a different tact." People use this all the time, but it feels > wrong to me. Shouldn't it be "tack" -- that is, a different direction? Or > is "tact" short for "tactic"? > Actually, it's an abbreviation, isn't it? For "tactic"... as in a military tactic or such. So I'd go with the first one, because that reflects the meaning. Tact. Or, I'd just use tactic in full... less confusion that way :) -Crys- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:21:04 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicola Baker Subject: Re: NEW: Imbalance Part 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heh, I like the way he's fixating at the end there... Lois liked him. Nic ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:38:12 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicola Baker Subject: Re: Heritage 9/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice ending. I had a feeling *someone* was going to fall in the pond, from the very moment it was mentioned, I just wasn't sure who. You picked the perfect person. Oh, and I liked that Perry knew, but they didn't talk about it. Looking forward to your next story. Nic ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:42:18 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/2001 7:17:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes: > > I suspect the origin is from sailing; to tack is to change the direction of > the ship's course. So it'd be a metaphor for changing course. > > Hmmm... it occurs to me that how you spell it MIGHT be related to how you use it. I know I've used it (albeit rarely) in the past, and I use the full word tactic most often. I know nothing about ships, but I do know that when you've been going at something in the same direction forever, you need to change your line of attack - your game plan - your military tactic. In my case, tack wouldn't be anything more than what you use to put up a poster in your classroom. -Crys- who is alone in her opinion, and therefore probably wrong... but who stands firmly by her "wrongness" because she can justify it ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:49:38 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/01 7:17:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes: > Hazel, it *is* 'tack'. People who say 'tact' are mis-hearing, in the same > way as people who use 'thing' instead of 'think' in 'you've got another > think coming' mis-hear the phrase. > Ah yes, no doubt another case of we Americans twisting phrases because we are so unfamiliar with the true meanings that we hear a word we are more familiar with... :P Next time, Hazel, just ask the UK folcs . --Laurie (who really did know this was tack but saw all the other responses there first) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:07:04 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crys wrote: > Actually, it's an abbreviation, isn't it? For "tactic"... as in a military > tactic or such. So I'd go with the first one, because that reflects the > meaning. Tact. Or, I'd just use tactic in full... less confusion that way :) I've seen your other post too, Crys. You *could* say 'change tactics'. But that's not really the same thing as changing '*tack*', or 'course'. Saying 'change tact' doesn't mean anything at all, since the only meaning of 'tact' is 'diplomacy'. Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:44:17 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? In-Reply-To: <40.10099edf.28b4f2fa@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Crys suggested: >Actually, it's an abbreviation, isn't it? For "tactic"... as in a military >tactic or such. So I'd go with the first one, because that reflects the >meaning. Tact. Or, I'd just use tactic in full... less confusion that way :) It's definitely not a *legitimate* abbreviation, Crys. "Tact," by itself, means diplomatic delicacy. But I wondered if it had become a kind of shorthand over the years - not proper grammar, but used nonetheless, as a short version of "tactic." I have to admit that I'm pleased to see that just about everyone agrees that the right term is "tack." It's always nice to be right. :) Hazel ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:15:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Superman joke ROTFL!!!! :-D Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:55:55 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: HoL: Did he *spit* in the wine? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/21/01 7:56:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: > My question -- did he offer Superman the same glass that he'd just spit > into?? > Most definitely. I've seen that multiple times and frankly always shudder a bit when Lex spits in the wine, then offers it to Superman; a real insult. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:05:44 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/01 6:33:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes: > "She tried a different tact." People use this all the time, but it feels > wrong to me. Shouldn't it be "tack" -- that is, a different direction? Or > is "tact" short for "tactic"? > It should be "tack." This comes from sailing, where one "tacks" or goes in a somewhat zig-zag direction to get the most effect from the wind. "Tact" is what we use when we say, "What a lovely dress," and omit the rest of our thought "Too bad it makes you look like a hippopatamus." Ann ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:41:53 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Bethy Em Subject: NEW: Alien Gift (9/?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm so glad you liked the dropped shoe, Carol. ;) "They have so much to work through, but at least they are together! Stronger together than apart, you know!" /me raises her eyebrows. So, when are you gonna get them back together in VotS? Don't worry, for the most part (actually, all, unless one of the characters changes something on me), they stick together in this one. Nic -- I'm glad you liked the bedtime book. My aunt hated to read as a child and just now discovering some of the wonderful children's literature out there. We just read *The Secret Garden* at the same time, albeit in different states. "I hope Elsha's dreams are nothing serious, but knowing that problems make a story better, I suspect that the dreams are... less than benign." My lips are sealed. ;) James -- I'm glad you liked it, and (at least IMO) this part starts kicking the plot a bit more. Lemme know. Thanks again for your comments. Bethy Previously: Lois nodded slowly. "Think we should bring this dream up tomorrow?" Clark paused for a second and then said, "I don't see why not. If she doesn't remember, it won't hurt, and if she does, it may help to us to understand them and therefore prevent any more." He flipped out the light and pulled Lois into a comforting embrace. "We'll just keep playing it by ear, the way we always do." She smiled, even though he couldn't see her. And this from the man who always liked a plan! * * * Part Nine Unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, the next morning Elsha had no memory of her dream. Once again, she was completely baffled at the whole idea. "I screamed?" she asked in disbelief. "Two nights in a row? And I don't remember anything?" She looked suspiciously from Lois to Clark. "Is this a trick? Am I in trouble or something?" "Oh, no," Clark hastened to reassure her. Lois wanted to sigh in frustration, but hid it. It would not help the situation at all, and wouldn't really even help her mood. She and Clark both knew that Elsha had awoken, screaming, from a terrifying nightmare two nights in a row. Yet for Elsha, it was as if it had never happened. What they didn't know was what the dreams were about, or why Elsha couldn't remember them. Could it be connected to her amnesia? Memories she had repressed were coming out of her subconscious in the form of dreams? And the suppression was so strong while in a conscious state that the only way her mind could deal with the dreams was to not even acknowledge their existence? Oh, not that Elsha was purposely forgetting. It was a protective reaction on her mind's part. Something over which she had no control. But these dreams were disturbing her sleep, even if she couldn't remember them. And they were certainly disturbing Lois and Clark's nights, too. Besides that, continued repressing of her past couldn't be good for her, especially if it were having such deleterious effects on the rest of her mental health. But what could they do about it? They couldn't *force* her to remember. Whenever they tried to question her, even subtly, about her history, she would have a mild panic attack. Lois could see the concentration on her face as she would try to remember, try to bring the hidden knowledge to the surface. And when she couldn't, Elsha would be struck with fear at the emptiness and panic. After a few such episodes, neither Lois nor Clark had the heart to bring the matter up any more. It wasn't producing any results, anyway. Lois glanced at Clark, who shrugged, before changing the subject. "There's a reporter from the travel section who is leaving on a tour of the world, which she will write about for her column. She's putting all her stuff in storage, but doesn't trust any of the local storage places with her piano. If we're willing to store it in our house for the next year, she'll take care of the transportation. So I was wondering if you would be interested in learning how to play, Elsha." "Piano?" "It's a musical instrument," Clark inserted. He projected an image of an upright piano along with a snippet of the tune "Chopsticks." "Hey!" Lois exclaimed. "I heard that! I'm getting pretty good at this, if I do say so myself," she said proudly. Clark grinned at Elsha and thought, {Should I let her know I was aiming at both of you?} with a grin. Elsha laughed and looked at Lois, for Clark was 'aiming' at both of them again. "No fair," Lois mock-pouted. "And here I thought I was really making progress." She happened to glance up at the clock and said, "Whoa, it's late! I'd better hurry or I'll be late for work." As she dashed up the stairs to finish her make-up, she called over her shoulder, "So, should I get that piano or not?" She heard a pause and imagined Elsha and Clark staring at each other, both waiting for the other to respond. She could picture them shrugging in unison, and took a chance. "And don't you shrug at me!" she yelled out the open door of the bedroom. She could hear laughter and feel incredulity coming from both of them. Maybe she was getting better at this telepathy thing after all, she thought in satisfaction. * * * Lois hated mood pieces. During the four years she spent in the other dimension, she'd gotten used to the way her writing style meshed with Clark's. Which meant she also got used to the way he managed to draw all the mood piece assignments. Here, with her Clark, she'd gotten in the habit of calling or e-mailing home when she had a mood piece, of allowing Clark to...'help' her write it. But today he hadn't responded yet, and deadline was drawing ever nearer. Suddenly she heard that distinctive ping that said she had new mail. Yes! Clark came through for her once again! He'd taken the bare-bones article she'd written and turned it into a masterpiece. As usual, though, she felt a measure of guilt at taking the credit for his writing. He told her, over and over, that he didn't mind. That getting credit wasn't important to him, but her competitive nature had a hard time accepting that. So she made a point to let Frank, the editor Jimm--er, Jim had hired to replace Perry, know that Clark helped her out periodically. He couldn't officially put Clark's by-line on the article -- too much paperwork and money involved -- but she knew it would keep the door open to hiring Clark, should they ever decide to 'get rid' of his blindness and should he ever want to come back. And it kept her from feeling so guilty. When she finished the article, she hit the forward key to LAN it to Frank. Before she hit send, she noticed a personal note at the bottom. Good thing she caught it before sending! "PS. Don't forget to make arrangements to get that piano, honey. Love you, Clark." She'd almost forgotten. Now, to see if Kim were still here. She knew that, what with all her moving preparations, Kim was pulling odd hours. Lois had had dealings with the travel editor before, and knew she was rather lenient about hours as long as the material was in by deadline. Lois rushed over to the travel area, and stopped in surprise when she saw Jimm--er, Jim. Despite the year that she'd know him as Jim Olsen, owner of the Planet, her instinct was still to call him Jimmy and think of him as a gofer/fledgling reporter and photographer. One year here wasn't enough to override four years in the other Lois's body. Then again, this version was different than the one she'd known. He was more confident, almost to the point of arrogant. And yet, every now and then, she'd catch a glimpse of the other Jimmy's exuberance and sometimes even insecurity. "Jim, what are you doing here?" She tried to hide the surprise in her voice. She didn't know this version of Jimmy very well, and something kept preventing her from trying. She couldn't help but compare him to the other Jimmy, and therefore was uncomfortable with him. Or maybe she was still having a hard time dealing with the fact that he was now her superior. "Oh, Jen was having some problems with her computer and so I offered to fix it." Fix it? But...oh, yeah, Jim Olsen made his fortune in the computer business, of course he'd know how to fix programs he himself had created. But why would he be willing to do such menial tasks? "That's nice," Lois replied absently, while looking around. "Have you seen Kim anywhere?" "Yeah, right over there." He pointed past a row of filing drawers, back in the direction Lois had come from. "Thanks," she said and turned to head back. "Wait up," Jim said, "I'll come with you." He flicked a switch and hurried after her. She quickly found Kim and confirmed that the piano was still available. Unfortunately, they had to take it that evening, and she was no longer able to provide transportation. "I'm really sorry, I know that was part of the deal. But my brother, who was going to move it with his son, fell out of a tree and broke his arm." Her expression was apologetic as she spoke. "I understand, Kim," Lois replied, while her mind worked furiously to come up with an idea of how to transport the piano. Jim spoke up, in that take-charge, "I'm-the-boss-of-course-I-have-authority-to-do-this," attitude. "Joel over in accounting has a pick-up truck. I'll sure he'll loan you the use of it, and maybe even help with moving the piano. And I can help, too. The three of us should be enough to move it. Kim, do you have a dolly?" She nodded and he said, "Good." Lois looked up in astonishment. Why was Jim being so helpful? He was always friendly to her, but she'd never really had a real conversation with him. She felt a little uncomfortable at accepting this kind of help from someone who was, technically, one of the 'big suits upstairs,' but on the other hand, she couldn't very well afford to turn him down. Not that he'd really left openings for refusal, anyhow. "That sounds great, Jimm--" she cut herself off just in time. "Do you want to do it now?" Quickly they got a hold of Joel and arranged a plan that suited all four of them. After Lois called Clark and let him know the plan, they all headed over to Kim's, loaded up the piano, and returned to the Lane home. "You guys want to stay for dinner?" Clark asked after the piano was safely installed in the family room. Joel declined, saying he had to get home to his own family, but after a slight hesitation Jim accepted. Suddenly it struck Lois and she didn't know how she'd missed it before -- Jim was lonely! The other Jimmy had a lot of friends and casual acquaintances at the planet, but Jim, by nature of his position, was forced to remain separate. He was much more confident in business matters, and more driven than Jimmy. And yet, when it came to personal relationships, she wasn't sure if he even had any. He put up a good front, immersing himself in his work, but she of all people should have been able to see through that. But she had been too wrapped up in her own world with Clark to notice. She was glad Clark had invited Jim to dinner and resolved to try and be more observant and reach out to him in the future. After all, she knew for a fact that she could be friends with this man. * * * Elsha was flying. Soaring across the sky, enjoying the sensation of watching land slide away beneath her. She floated up on a wind pocket and giggled as it tickled her. Folding her large, powerful wings against her back, she dove toward the ground. The wind brushed back her hair and ruffled her feathers. Before she could crash, she swooped up and resumed her ride in the sky. She did some loop-de-loops, just for the joy of it, and then wove in and out among some birds. She stretched out her wings to their fullest extent and glided for a time. Suddenly she was falling. She tried to regain altitude, but her wings were gone! The ground approached, closer and closer. She didn't know what to do. She couldn't breathe! And the ground was still getting closer. She screamed and everything disappeared. * * * Elsha's nightmares continued throughout the rest of the week. Each time, she woke up screaming and Lois and Clark would rush to comfort her. "This is getting old," Lois griped in frustration Saturday morning. Because no matter what they tried, they still had no clue what was causing the dreams, nor what they were about. They had tried asking in the morning, but each time she had no memory of the nocturnal events at all. They had tried asking after she calmed down, but she could never articulate anything more then the falling sensation. For the time being, they had given up. But today Bernie was coming to remove Elsha's casts. And with amazing fortuity, the anti-gravity unit was also ready for installation. "I know it's frustrating, honey, but we've got to decide what we're going to do about today," Clark said. She looked at him in confusion and so he clarified. "We promised that Superman would help Bernie install the anti-grav unit today. So we need an excuse for me to be out of the house. And it has to be a good one, because of everyone who knew both me before, as Clark *and* Superman, Bernie was one of the ones who knew me best. I don't think it'll take much to make him suspicious." "Good point," Lois mused. "Could you pretend to have a meeting with your publisher? I mean, no one else sees Clark Lane, but has your publisher ever met you in person?" "No, but Bernie doesn't have to know that. But would it work to have it be on a Saturday?" "Sure. If he's too curious, we'll just explain that you didn't want to leave Elsha alone during the week, we didn't want to trust her with a baby-sitter yet, and I couldn't guarantee I'd be available to watch her. See? Am I a genius, or am I a genius?" She lifted her face for a kiss. Clark laughed. "Yes, you're a genius. What would I do without you?" "Die, most likely," she answered matter-of-factly. "Now, why don't you get Elsha ready and I'll--" "Clean out that flower bed by the garage so it's ready when Bernie gets here?" Lois paused and grimaced. "How about I get Elsha ready and you do that?" she asked with a sunny, hopeful smile. "Su-u-ure," he drawled. "And how, exactly, are we going to explain a blind man with a rake?" He raised his eyebrows. She pouted cutely and sighed. "Well, if I must..." He laughed. "Scat. I'll warn you when he gets here." After Lois left to dig out the rake from the garage, Clark went in to wake up Elsha. "How are you this beautiful morning?" he called cheerily. {Tired,} she muttered grumpily as she pulled the covers over her head to block out the sunlight coming in the window. "Come on, wake up. Dr. Klein is coming over today," he said to try to tempt her. Her head shot up and her eyes brightened. "To take these casts off? Finally? All right! Hey! Afterwards, can we go get ice cream sundaes to celebrate? With whipped cream and chocolate sauce and cherries? But no nuts, I don't like nuts. They're too crunchy and ice cream isn't supposed to be crunchy." "We'll see. But first we've got to get you dressed. You want to wear the purple shirt or the blue one?" he asked as he held up both choices. "Blue. But that won't make me forget about the ice cream!" "Okay, okay. Now, what do you want for breakfast? We've got about an hour before he gets here, so I can cook whatever you want. Except ice cream." "Can you make me animal shaped pancakes?" They had their breakfast, and Clark made his escape just before the doorbell rang. As soon as he saw Dr. Klein enter the house, he swooped down as Superman. The aid of his powers made the installation short work, even though he had to be careful outdoors to be as inconspicuous as possible. He knew they should have done this at night. But no, all this activity at night would be even more suspicious. "That's it," Klein said suddenly. "All done." "Really? Wow, that was easier than I thought it'd be." *Careful,* he warned himself. *Don't allow yourself to get too comfortable.* "I, uh, I suppose I'd better be going, then." "No, uh, Superman, uh, wait." Was it just his imagination, or did Klein seem overly nervous around him lately? "If it's not too much trouble, would you mind helping me take off Elsha's casts? It's just that I'm a little nervous about accidentally hurting her, plus there's the fact that I'm, uh, kind of uncomfortable around kids to begin with and with her being telepathic and all, well, I don't want to scare her or anything. So, ah, would you mind?" Clark hid a grin and quickly agreed. As went in to Elsha, he warned her with his mind. {Remember, I'm Superman and you don't know me that well.} She rolled her eyes. {Duh. I'm not stupid.} He briefly wondered where she'd learned that word. He didn't think *he* said 'duh,' but then again, he never knew. From Elsha's speech patterns, he learned that there were a lot of things in his and Lois's vocabularies that he'd never paid attention to before. He made quick work of the casts and then made an excuse to leave. In the background he heard Dr. Klein stammering out instructions to Elsha and Lois. The limbs looked healthy, but be careful for a while, not putting too much weight on the leg, etc. And the anti-grav unit would take a while to fully warm up and be effective, so watch it for any abnormal signs. "Abnormal, how?" Lois asked. "I don't know. Just...anything out of the ordinary." *Like everything about this isn't already out of the ordinary,* Clark thought with a grin. * * * After Dr. Klein *finally* finished giving instructions (she paid attention, but he was just so...nervous. And he rambled on and on. Would he never shut up?) and left, Elsha waited impatiently for Clark to return. "Daddy said we could go out for ice cream sundaes afterwards in celebration. So can we go as soon as he gets back?" Okay, so he said he'd see, but Momma didn't have to know that. She bent her leg experimentally. It felt weird, but it was nice to have it out of that restricting cast. When she got bored with that, she turned to inspecting her arm. "Hey!" An idea struck. "While we're waiting for him, do you want to start teaching me piano, Momma?" They'd had the piano for almost a week, but nobody had gotten around to starting lessons. And since Elsha couldn't straighten her one arm, there was a limit to how much she could have been taught, anyway. "Sure," Lois replied. She started explaining the set up of the keys -- A through G, flats and sharps, bass clef, treble clef...but Elsha soon tuned out. Seeing Lois there, sitting on the piano bench, her fingers gesturing over the keys...Suddenly Elsha's head hurt. She saw two women there. One was Momma, and the other was...who? She couldn't tell. But she heard a voice, a soft, gentle voice, in her head, and felt loving arms guiding her hands over the keys. But she was sitting on the chair beside to the piano, not next to Momma on the bench. {See, Elsha? And if you push these together, it makes a different sound. After a while, you'll get good enough to be able to play things like this.} "And after some lessons and practice, you'll get good enough to be able to play things like this," Lois said, as she began playing the intro to some complicated piece of music. "Momma! I remembered!" Elsha interrupted. "I remember sitting on a bench and, and...someone," her brow furrowed in concentration and then she gave up trying to remember and simply continued, "someone was showing me how to play. Just like you were, but different!" Lois looked at her in confusion. Elsha realized she wasn't exactly speaking clearly, but she was excited. "I remembered something!" Comprehension dawned. "From...before you came to us?" "Yes!" "Do you think maybe you learned how to play the piano already? If so, then why didn't you recognize it when we brought it home?" Lois forcibly stopped herself from babbling. Elsha could feel the effort it took and therefore hid her grin. "Would you like to try playing?" Elsha was uncertain. On one hand, she was very excited at the prospect of remembering, but on the other hand, she was afraid. What if she tried to play and the memory fled? What if she lost it totally? Or remembered the scene she'd just seen, but couldn't remember how to play? Lois must have seen the uncertainty on her face, because she said, "You don't have to if you don't want to." Elsha decided. "I want to." Lois helped her move to the bench and Elsha placed her hands on the keys. She paused for a moment with her eyes closed and then began playing. The melody was familiar, yet strange. Beautiful, but haunting. She played on, enraptured. When she finished, she turned to Lois with a brilliant smile on her face. "I remembered." "That's wonderful, darling," Lois said with tears in her eyes. "Absolutely wonderful." * * * TBC... Comments welcome on the list or at bethyem@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:23:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Please tellme how to get off the list On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:31:36 -0500, genevieve mactavish < angelsvamptress@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: >I need to change the email address for the list, how do I unsubscribe, then >r subscribe to a different address >Jen To quote Tempus, "Talk about yer deja-vu!" Now to quote my post from this past Friday, in response to someone else who didn't believe the welcome to the listserv email when it said "please save this email for future reference" ... >>>>>>>>>>>> >From the email sent by the listserv when you subscribe ... "You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF LOISCLA-GENERAL-L" command to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU." You may also visit ... http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html and click on "join or leave the list". <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Good luck, Kathy List mom ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:44:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Heritage 9/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad you liked it. I'll probably do another story about CJ sooner or later. I've got a few ideas, but they're not really clear, yet. Nan Nicola Baker wrote: > Nice ending. I had a feeling *someone* was going to fall in the pond, from > the very moment it was mentioned, I just wasn't sure who. You picked the > perfect person. > > Oh, and I liked that Perry knew, but they didn't talk about it. > > Looking forward to your next story. > Nic ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:29:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: Heritage 9/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:44:57 -0700 Nancy Smith writes: > Glad you liked it. I'll probably do another story about CJ sooner or > later. > I've got a few ideas, but they're not really clear, yet. > > Nan YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love to see more CJ - and find out who they name the next little one after! CM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:54:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: NEW: Alien Gift (9/?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:41:53 +0000 Bethy Em writes: > I'm so glad you liked the dropped shoe, Carol. ;) > > "They have so much to work through, but at least they are together! > Stronger together than apart, you know!" /me raises her eyebrows. > So, when > are you gonna get them back together in VotS? Um - right! Actually, I hope you'll be pleasantly surprised today! Great installment as always. Glad Elsha is remembering some stuff! And LOL at the "duh!" More soon please! CM (who's wondering if Bethy had any suggestions on how to rephrase that part of VotS that we "discussed" earlier) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:57:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Valley of the Shadow, 12a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay - this is 12a not because it is long, but because it really doesn't "fit" with any other part. Part 12b will, I hope, start to make things a bit better. Comments appreciated! CM ***** It had been a difficult two months for everyone close to Lois and Clark. Lucy, Jimmy and Perry had run out of ideas to get the two of them talking. Even when they were forced to be together in a room, the tension and sadness was evident even to those who didn't know the couple. All three didn't want to choose sides, but they all found themselves alienated from Lois and being shoulders for Clark. A big part of the chasm that they all felt from Lois was on her part. Once she came back to work, she wasn't herself and didn't try to rebuild the relationships that were failing - not even with her sister or Perry, who had been like her father. Lois saw Lex on a regular basis and most people thought they were a couple. Lex had been pushing her to file for divorce. She thought about it for a long time but even though a part of her wanted to, she just couldn't bring herself to sign and send the papers that Lex had brought her. He wasn't pleased with her actions. She had felt out of sorts ever since she lost the baby. That was to be expected to a point, but Lois really believed that she had accepted it and was trying to move on with her life. It was more than just that. Her mood swings had become legendary around the newsroom. Most of the time she was the exact opposite of what she had been before Clark reappeared in her life. Before she had been a tenacious pit bull earning her nickname, "Mad Dog Lane". Now she was even willing to cover a dog show or write obituaries, if that's what Perry wanted. But every once in a while, there was a flash of the old Lois. When that happened, everyone got out of her way. She couldn't seem to shake herself out of the doldrums she found herself in. She even considered going to see a therapist, but Lex said if she ever wanted to talk, she could talk to him. He had tried to kiss her a couple of times. A big part of her wanted him to and wanted to get on with her life, with Lex. But buried in the deep recesses of her mind and in the very pit of her soul, was the old Lois who was repulsed by the man who claimed to want to help her. Something just wasn't right. He wasn't Clark. That's all there was to it. As for Clark, things hadn't been easy for him either. Every night, his last stop before home was Lois' apartment. Sometimes he had to wait for her to return from a date with Luthor. Those nights he had a hard time controlling his rage. Lex HAD to have something to do with the estrangement from his wife, but Clark was able to keep his emotions in check. That was harder to accomplish on the many nights he stopped by and found Lois crying or eating ice cream from the container with a look of total despondence on her face. It was all he could do not to fly in her apartment as fast he could and pull her into his arms, holding her like he'd never let go. He couldn't understand her desire to have nothing to do with him if it was upsetting her this much. Unless there was something else going on - something or someone who was influencing her behavior. He tried not to let himself dwell on Lois. He spent his time on the road with the Metropolitans, immersing himself in baseball and his Superman duties. On the up side, if one could call it that, was the fact that a placid Lois didn't need rescuing. That was a relief for two reasons. The first was that she no longer "dangled above the jaws of death" on a regular basis and that was a good thing in Clark's mind. The second was that he didn't have to see her, to hold so closely as he flew her out of danger. Staff meetings were bad enough, but flying would have been almost unbearable. So Clark had tried to take his mind of his wife and the child they would never have, but he found the task to be impossible. Baseball season was almost over and the only good news was that the Metropolitans were going to be in the playoffs, so he'd have that to do for a little while longer. He had never received the divorce papers and for that he was grateful. Seeing Lois' signature on them would have been entirely too much, proof that it really was over, that there was no hope for them at all. As long as he didn't get them, then Lois may not have been totally convinced that she really wanted the divorce. It wasn't much, but it was all he had. Every time a messenger had showed up at his desk or a salesperson had knocked on his door he was afraid it was someone coming to serve him the divorce papers. Even though it had been over a month since he had seen them lying on her table, his breath caught just a bit until he was sure whatever he was being handed wasn't divorce papers. Only three were happy with the situation. Sam and Ellen Lane couldn't be more pleased that their oldest daughter was getting rid of the hack from Smallville and was now finding happiness with the third richest man in the world. They somehow managed to convince themselves that the dejected, depressed woman Lois had become was still vibrant, alive daughter they had known and to ignore the tear tracks that were often seen on Lois' face. The other person, of course, was Lex. He just wished he could convince her to file for a divorce. He didn't understand why she took all of the rest of his suggestions to heart, but refused on that one. He figured it was just a matter of time. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:05:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Valley of the Shadow, 12c/17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it'll be 17. Don't hate me if it's not! CM ***** "Let's see what we've got here." Jimmy's fingers flew over the keyboard in the conference room, hacking his way into the email system of the Daily Planet. "Okay, we're into CK's inbox." He scrolled back through the messages until he found one from Lois the day of the miscarriage. Lucy's hand rested on his shoulder as they read the message on the screen. Clark - This is difficult for me to say. We've been having some problems lately - you know what they are - and I need some time to sort things out. I am staying with my mom for right now. I can't get to my Planet email from her computer so I had to set up another account. Please don't try to come by or contact me. I'll get in touch with you again soon. I won't be at work for a while, so don't look for me there either. Lois "I don't get it, Luce. She's been upset that he didn't go to her, but she told him not to. And why couldn't she get to her Planet email? She knows how to get to it from a remote computer. This doesn't make any sense." "Look at the time it was sent, Jimmy." Lucy pointed to the screen. "She would have been sound asleep. She took sleeping pills as soon as she got to Mom's apartment. This was sent in the late evening. There's no way this is actually from her." "That doesn't make any sense, though. Who would send a fake email from Lois to Clark?" "My mom?" The doubt was evident in Lucy's voice. "I don't think that she could come up with this, much less carry it out." "I agree, but who else?" "I don't know. Can you trace where the email came from?" "Maybe, but it'll take a while." He punched in some more instructions for the computer. "I could swear that Lois has been getting emails from Clark, too. I know she has, but if this isn't really her email, she couldn't be reading his responses from this account." "I don't understand. What are you saying?" "What I mean is this." Jimmy swiveled so he was looking at Lucy. "Clark has been getting emails from someone claiming to be Lois. We're sure of that, right?" "Yes." Lucy sat down and tried to absorb what her boyfriend was telling her. "Okay, so Clark has been replying to those emails thinking that he's talking to her, but he really isn't because it isn't Lois sending the emails. You still with me?" "I think so." "Lois has been getting emails from Clark. I know she has. She said something to that effect a couple of times." "Okay. So she's been getting emails from Clark. Why can't they be the ones he's sending when he replies?" "Because he isn't replying to Lois. He's replying to someone he *thinks* is Lois. Got that much?" "I think so. This is confusing." Lucy rubbed her temples. It had been a rough day. "I know. Someone set it up that way." He turned back to the keyboard and entered Lois' mailbox on the computer. "Here's the first email Lois got from Clark, on the day of the miscarriage." Lois, This isn't easy for me to say. I talked to your mom earlier and she told me what was going on. I know we've had problems lately, so maybe we should just take some time apart to sort through everything. I won't be at work for a few days, in fact I'm thinking about taking some time off, so don't try to contact me there. I'll be in touch in a few days. I don't want to use my work email for this, just in case, so I got another account to use. I just wish you had another one so that this could stay our business and no one else's. No one needs to know what is going on but us. Clark "But Clark never talked to Mom, as far as we can tell. And he didn't know until two days later. Besides, Clark wasn't using another email address. He used his Planet mail. It doesn't make any sense. This one sounds like Clark is the one breaking things off, but the email from Lois was the other way around." "Bingo. Except the other email wasn't really from Lois, remember?" "Right. It was from someone pretending to be Lois." Jimmy moved the mouse over the screen until another email showed up. "This is Clark's reply to Lois' first email from his Planet account." He and Lucy skimmed it quickly. "Does that sound like a guy who doesn't want anything to do with his wife?" In the email, Clark was begging Lois to call him because he wanted to fix whatever it was that was wrong. "Those are two very different emails. Almost like they were written by two different people." "Why not?" Jimmy turned to face her again. Neither heard the door open behind him. "Someone was pretending to be Lois and trying to convince Clark that she didn't want anything to do with him. Why couldn't that same person be pretending to be Clark trying to convince Lois that *he* doesn't want anything to do with her?" "What in the name of Elvis are you talking about, Jimmy?" Perry White stood in the doorway trying to make sense of what he had overheard. Jimmy stood excitedly. "Just that, Chief. If you talked to Lois and Clark separately you'd think that both of them wanted to work things out, but think it's hopeless, right?" "Right. Where are you going with this? And why aren't you working anyway? "This is more important, Chief. Besides, it's my day off." Jimmy ignored the look on his boss' face as he blew him off. "Listen. They both want to make up and they both have been emailing each other, but you never see them actually talk. If you do, it's an 'Excuse me' near the coffee pot or something." Perry looked like his patience was wearing thin, and it was, but he would do just about anything to put his two friends back together. "I hacked into their email accounts and they've been emailing each other all right, but not really. They just *think* they've been emailing each other." "Oh, well. Now it all makes sense." Perry waved his hand in the air. "Spill it, kid. Or else." "Clark has been emailing Lois from his Planet account, but he's been sending the emails to llane@luthnet.com." "What's that?" "Luthnet is the search engine on Luthornet Explorer. You can also get a free email account. It's Internet based and can be accessed from any computer with Internet access." Perry sat in one of the plush chairs and began tapping his pencil on the table. "So Lois has another email account. So what?" "Lois doesn't *know* she has two email accounts. She's been using her Planet email to send Clark messages at ckent@luthnet.com. They both think they've been emailing each other, but they really haven't. They've been emailing a third party who has been trying to drive them apart." Perry stood and looked ready to leave. One eyebrow was raised as he repeated what he thought he heard. "So Mr. X is emailing Lois pretending to be Clark and that Mr. X is also emailing Clark pretending to be Lois?" "Exactly." Jimmy leaned back in his chair and looked proud as a peacock. "What in the name of blue suede shoes is going on? And why exactly have you hacked into the email system? And why aren't you working on those pictures I gave you earlier? What makes you so sure you're right?" Jimmy ignored the pictures comment - it *was* his day off - and convinced him to look at the emails, the difference in styles and the very different tones by Clark and then by Lois. Perry grudgingly admitted that it certainly seemed like something funny was going on. "You still haven't told me why you did all this." "There's more." "What?" "Lois didn't have an abortion." "WHAT?" Jimmy irrelevantly thought about the difference inflection could make in a word. "It's true, Mr. White." Lucy felt this was her area. Besides, she still didn't understand what was going on with the emails. "I saw Lois a little while ago. She didn't have an abortion." "Well, I'm no expert, but shouldn't she be, ah, a little bit bigger than she is then? And why did I give her two weeks off?" "She isn't pregnant anymore, but she had a miscarriage, not an abortion." "A miscarriage? You two are too much, you know that? This noggin can't keep up with all of this. In plain English, no fancy computer talk or anything else, tell me what I need to know and why I should care." Lucy sat across from the editor and looked intently into his eyes as she tried to explain. "It's like this, Mr. White. I don't understand all the computer stuff either, but Lois lost the baby and someone has been trying to come between Lois and Clark by making each of them think the other doesn't want a reconciliation, but if you talk to them, you know the opposite is true. Besides, Clark doesn't know about the miscarriage. He thinks Lois aborted the baby on purpose. I don't know who is behind all this, but I know my mother had something to do with the original miscommunication." "So, those two really don't need to be apart at all? This whole shebang is some kind of big misunderstanding?" "Exactly." The young couple spoke at the same time. "Well, hell's bells. There's two more questions that I have." "What's that, Chief?" "Who's behind it? And how are we going to fix this?" "Finding out who's behind it could be difficult, but I'm working on it." Lucy smiled at the older man. "Now, Mr. White, I don't know you very well, but I know you didn't become editor of a major metropolitan newspaper because you could yodel. If the three of us put our heads together, I bet we could come up with a way to at least make them talk. And we all have seen the sparks that fly when those two are in a room together. If we could just get them alone, in a place where they wouldn't be interrupted and they couldn't leave..." A sudden smile lit up Perry's face. "I think I've got just the thing. It'll take some work by all of us, but I think we can pull it off." He lowered his voice as he outlined his plan. ***** TBC ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:03:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Valley of the Shadow, 12b/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ***** Lucy raised her hand hesitantly to knock on the door in front of her. She had never been so anxious about talking to her sister in her life. She had been avoiding Lois as much as possible since she found out about the baby. She didn't understand her sister's thinking or logic in that matter and didn't know how to deal with the issues she knew she would face when she had it out with Lois. But this was something she had to do. Jimmy had been assigned something extra important at the last minute and so Lucy had been drafted to deliver the information to Lois' new apartment. She finally "screwed her courage to the sticking place" and knocked on the door. She could hear Lois unlocking the various forms of security she insisted on no matter where she lived. The next thing she knew, Lois' arms were wrapped around her. Lucy cringed and patted Lois on the back, stepping out of the hug as soon as she could. "Lucy! What are you doing here?" Lois didn't even notice that her sister was holding something back. Lucy walked into the living room and took in the plush surroundings. "Uh, well, Jimmy had to be somewhere else and he said you really needed this information." She held out a couple of file folders. As Lois took them, Lucy turned to head out the door. Lois reached out and put a hand on her arm. "Lucy. Please. Stay. We haven't talked in a long time. I miss you." The doubt was evident on Lucy's face. "Uh, sure." She walked over to the couch and sat down, keeping to the edge and looking very uncomfortable. "What do you want to talk about?" Lois sat down in the chair across from her sister. "I don't know. Anything. How are you and Jimmy doing?" "We're fine." "How's work?" "Good. Waiting tables isn't all that glamorous, but it's a living." "How's Jimmy? I don't really see him as much I'd like to, especially since he's dating my little sister." "Oh, well. He's good, we're good. It's all good." "Oh." They sat in silence for several minutes. Finally, Lois took a deep breath and dove into the subject they were avoiding. She fingered her wedding rings as she started. "How's Clark? Do you see him much?" "He's fine, I guess. He's come over for dinner a couple of times. We've talked some. Jimmy thinks he's moving on and I agree." "Oh. Good." Lois took another deep breath. "I hope he's happy." "I don't think he's really all that happy, Lois, but he's strong. He'll recover and move on with his life." "*He'll* recover? I'm so glad." Lois couldn't keep the sarcasm out of her voice. "You should be. This hasn't been easy for him. Anyone can see that." "And I'm supposed to feel sorry for him? I don't think so, Lucy. This *had* to be more difficult on me and he wasn't there when I needed him most. I refuse to feel sorry for someone so deep in self-pity that he can't be supportive of the woman he's supposed to love." "Well, Lois, I personally don't blame him for not rushing to your side. Not after what happened." Lois lept up and looked at her sister, unable to believe what she had just heard. "WHAT?" Lucy was on her feet as well, not ready to back down from her sister just yet. "You heard me, Lois. No one thinks he should have rushed to your side. Not after what you did." "What? After I did what?" Lois was genuinely confused. She didn't understand how miscarrying their baby would turn everyone against her. "I didn't *do* anything!" The old Lois was coming back. "Don't play games with me, Lois. We all know what happened." "You do? You know what I went through the last couple of months? You were there? And everyone knows just how hard this has been and they still think that Clark is right to ignore me?" The old spark was there and her anger came through clear as a bell. "No, Lois. I don't know what you went through, and I hope I never find out. I don't understand what went through your head and I never will." Lois spoke softly, tears in her eyes. "I hope you never do either, Lucy. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy." Lucy looked at her, not sure what was going on in that head of her sister's. "Then why, Lois? Explain it to me. Make me understand." "Why what, Lucy? There is nothing to explain!" Lucy could take no more and exploded. "WHAT?! Nothing to explain? You killed your baby, Lois! And no one knows why!" Lois stood there in shock and utter disbelief. As her knees failed her, she sank to the ottoman behind her. "What did you say?" "You got rid of your baby, Lois, because he or she was a 'complication'. I don't understand. Clark doesn't understand. No one does and I don't think we ever will." "You think I killed my baby? That I 'got rid of' my child - on purpose?" It was barely a whisper. "You had an abortion, Lois. Mom told me all about it. You had a D and C, an abortion." The tears were running down Lois' cheeks as it started to sink in. It would explain so much if Clark thought that she had killed their baby. The one that he lived for, the child he thought he could never have. If he thought that... She had to know. Lucy barely recognized the hoarse voice that floated across the room to her. "Does Clark think that, too?" "Of course." "I had a D and C, but I did not have an abortion. I lost the baby, Lucy. I miscarried. I would never kill my own child." "What?" It was Lucy's turn to stare in disbelief. "It was right after Clark was kidnapped. I had cramps off and on throughout the pregnancy, but that weekend I had some really bad ones while I was trying to rescue Clark. After it was all over, I helped him into bed and turned the ringer off. I went to run some errands and started spotting while I was out. I went to my doctor's appointment later that morning and he did an exam. The baby was already dead by the time I got there. I tried to call Clark, the neighbors, the super, you, anyone I could think of, but no one was answering. When they took me to another part of the hospital to have the procedure, I ran into Mom. She was there with me while they did the procedure and then she took me to her apartment once they released me. I took the sleeping pills the doctor gave me and she tried to call Clark while I slept and he never came." The tears continued to flow as she recalled the heartache that she still felt. "He never came. A couple of days later, I got an email from him telling me that he knew and that we should just move on separately. I thought he blamed me for losing the baby. Our baby. The one we both wanted more than anything." Lucy was stunned as she listened to her sister explain the events. Some things began to click in her head, but she wasn't ready to tell Lois just yet. She needed to do some checking first. Finally, she realized that she should be comforting your sister. She moved to her sit next to Lois and put her arm around her. Lois shrugged it off. "No, Lucy. If you could believe that I could do that, without even talking to me to verify it, you don't need to be here. Please. Leave." Lucy heard the steel in Lois' voice and knew better than to argue. "Okay. For now." She walked to the door. "But you haven't heard the last of me, Lois. I wish that you would let me help. You may not want me to, but I am going to find a way." Lucy walked out and shut the door behind her. Lois watched her leave and then curled up into a little ball and allowed the tears to flow freely once more. ***** "You're kidding?" Jimmy sat in stunned disbelief. "No, I'm serious. Lois says that she miscarried. She didn't have an abortion." "Are you sure? She isn't making this up?" "Jimmy, you didn't see her. She was shocked when I told her that I didn't understand how she killed her baby. She crumbled. She was in total shock." "Wow." Jimmy shook his head. "I can't believe this. All this time, we thought that Lois had an abortion and she really had a miscarriage. Something doesn't add up. Why wouldn't CK have set us straight in the conference room that day? If Ellen called him and told him about the miscarriage, why wouldn't he rush to her side? That's not like CK at all." "I know. I've been thinking about it." Lucy stood and paced around the living room in their small apartment. "When I talked to my mom a couple of days after all this happened, I had the impression that Clark knew she was going to have an abortion beforehand." "But she didn't *have* an abortion. And Clark had no idea until after he came back to work." Jimmy paced in the opposite direction. "We were there when he found out, just after you did, remember?" Lucy stopped. "That's right. There's no way he knew before then. That means..." "Your mom never called him." Jimmy stopped and looked at her, wondering how she would take the knowledge that her mother was trying to break Lois and Clark up. Lucy looked back at him, tears in her eyes. "I can't believe she would do this. No, wait. I can. She hates Clark. She always has. Daddy too. But I don't think he had anything to do with this. If he knew everything he might, but he doesn't." "What do you mean?" "He doesn't know that Clark is the guy that Lois met in D. C. ten years ago. The one that he wouldn't let her go out with. He doesn't like Clark much as it is, but if he knew the truth..." "Okay, so what are we going to do about it?" "What *can* we do?" "We can find out what really happened. CK got an email that told him about the baby, not a phone call. I never quite understood why Lois told him in an email. This is way too big and too personal for an email." Jimmy sat and turned the thought over in his mind. "You're right. I don't know why I never thought about it." They sat there, pondering the strange turn of events. Finally, Lucy hit upon an idea. "Jimmy, do you think you could..." "Hack into the Planet's email system? Of course I can." Jimmy put his feet up on the coffee table and laced his fingers behind his head. "Who exactly do you think you are talking to?" Lucy moved next to him on the couch and placed a resounding kiss right on his lips. "The most amazing guy in the world." She kissed him again and snuggled at his side. "Next to Superman that is." Jimmy put his arm around her. "Well, if I had superpowers..." Lucy's hand rested lightly on his stomach. She used it to poke him, hard. "If you had superpowers, what, tough guy?" "You'd still be the only one for me." He smiled into her brown eyes and kissed her gently. "Good answer." They sat there for a few minutes, enjoying being close to each other. "Jimmy, you know I love being close to you, but..." "I know. Let's go find out what happened to drive your sister and CK apart." He kissed her forehead and stood up. "Come on." He reached out and helped her to her feet. "Lane and Olsen, to save the day." "I can only pray that we can." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:27:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta weigh in on this even though I'm way late. As an old sailor, I agree that if you mean 'change course', the correct word is tack. If you are re-thinking strategy, you would use tactic. And if you're disagreeing with someone because you think they're hopelessly, ridiculously wrong, you'd definitely want to use tact :) Jude. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: Grammar question: tack or tact? > Here's a question for you grammar experts out there. :) > > "She tried a different tact." People use this all the time, but it feels > wrong to me. Shouldn't it be "tack" -- that is, a different direction? Or > is "tact" short for "tactic"? > > Hazel, who is curious ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:31:50 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Heritage 9/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nan, that was wonderful! Please consider writing more chapters in CJ's life. Pretty please? -Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:51:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: HoL: Did he *spit* in the wine? On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:55:55 EDT, Charlotte Fisler wrote: >Most definitely. I've seen that multiple times and frankly always shudder a >bit when Lex spits in the wine, then offers it to Superman; a real insult. I'm glad I wasn't imagining it! I was curious, though, about whether it was in the script, so I checked my copy. This is what it has: 45 INT. LUTHOR'S WINE CELLAR - DAY 45 Luthor draws himself a taste from a wine cask, makes a face, spits it out. LUTHOR Not quite ripe. There's a KNOCK an the metal door. It opens and Mrs. Cox ushers in SUPERMAN. LUTHOR (Cont'd) Come in, come in. Don't be shy. Mrs. Cox leaves, closes the door behind her. Luthor has picked up a dust bottle of wine from a crate. He wipes it clean, holds it up to the light. LUTHOR (Cont'd) They say that civilization was invented so that men could cooperate in the making of wine. SUPERMAN What do you want, Luthor? This says to me that either John Shea or the director added in the bit about offering the glass to Superman. Isn't it amazing how much gets added from the page to the screen? Wonderful interpretation from John Shea! Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:12:21 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Elizabeth Rowe(Juliet)" Subject: Untitled Prolouge/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is my first L&C fic which has a mix of comics canon and L&C canon. Tank will have a mixed reaction to this prolouge.*G* Untitled fic By Juliet Summary: It's been seven years since Clark was taken from Lois, can a miracle born out of invasion's hatred mend her heart? Author's notes: I've taken elements from L&C canon(I.E. the characters and how they were represented in the series, certain events and L&C's relationship) and mixed them with the Comics continuity (Superman's battle with Doomsday, his death, and the JLA as represented now). I also pushed L&C's timeline back a few years so that the death takes place in '93/94 and the seventh year anniversary comes close to the year 2000 and all the millennium madness that gripped the country at the time. Disclaimer: The characters of Lois and Clark and anyother DC character belong to DC Comic and the WB. Some of the dialogue in the prologue comes from Roger Stern's Death and Life of Superman and belongs to the author, DC and Bantam books. Prologue Lois Lane watched in horror as her fiancee Clark Kent a.k.a. Superman went down after he'd dealt what many had hoped was a death blow to the monstrous Doomsday, a mysterious being that had ravaged much of the Eastern seaboard and took out the vaunted Justice League. Superman laid on the ground unnaturally still. Lois could vaguely hear people calling for an ambulance as she threw her reporter's detachment out the window and rushed to her lover's side. As Jimmy numbly clicked off pictures unable to comprehend what he was seeing, Lois bent down and took her lover in her arms. "Clark," she whispered, enough for Superman to hopefully hear her, softly enough for Jimmy to miss what she said. Superman's face was so battered and bruised he could barely see. The look of her soulmate's bloody and swollen face would haunt Lois for the rest of her life. "Doomsday ... is he?" Superman struggled to ask, "Is he?" Lois struggled not to cry. "Down. You stopped him. You saved us all!" He nodded. Then his eyes closed one last time and his body slid limply to the pavement. For a moment the whole world seemed still, save for the sound of Lois Lane crying. Suddenly their was a rumbling and people started screaming and panicking around Lois. She looked up to see the gray monster who killed the one man that meant the most to her lumbering back to his feet, towards Lois and Jimmy. 'Clark didn't stop him afterall,' Lois thought in despair, stumbling back to her feet and way from Doomsday, who was facing her down. She watched in sickening horror as Doomsday's feet crushed Superman and Jimmy. As he reached down to grab her, Lois knew she was going to die and join Clark and Jimmy. The last thing she saw as his huge hand crushed her body was his huge red eyes. * * * * Lois Lane bolted straight up from her bed, sweat dripping from her body, trying to exit the nightmare she'd just experienced. Then it hit her, just like it always did. That realization that, except for Doomsday coming back to life, everything else had happened. Clark was gone. And he wasn't coming back. Lois climbed out of bed and gazed out of her window to the turbulent world below. It had been seven years tomorrow since she'd lost her fiancee and the world lost its ultimate Superhero. It was a drastically changed world following Superman's death, and it had not gotten easier. Lois looked at the bottle of vodka on the nightstand. It would be so easy to just drown her sorrows and numb her pain in that bottle, especially after today's news. Clark's parents Martha and Jonathan Kent called Lois and gently informed her that they'd started paperwork to declare their son legally dead. Although the logical part of Lois understood that the facade of hoping their son had survived the rampage Doomsday wrought on the part of Metropolis Clark supposedly was reporting in seven years prior eventually had to end, the news still hit Lois as hard as the day Clark died in her arms had, causing all the old feelings and nightmares to come roaring back. And so Lois climbed back into bed, and like she'd done everynight for the last seven years, burst into tears. "Clark," she said over and over through her sobs, finally crying herself into a dreamless sleep. Additional Author's notes. I pretty much put this after the NK arc, because I wanted them to go through the ultimate separation. I've toyed with the idea of "what if" regarding Superman/Clark's battle with Doomsday for some time, wondering (and debating on some comics lists) what life would've been life if Superman had stayed dead or returned 5 to 10 years after Doomsday killed him instead of the few months comics. So I started writing this. There will also be an original character introduced in the next chapter that will help out in this fic. I'm also including a lot of the DCU including a JLA that's battered, bruised and missing a few KEY members*EG* But at the heart remains Lois and Clark. So what's your opinion? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:53:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chief Pam Subject: Re: Untitled Prolouge/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting, Elizabeth :) I don't follow the comics very closely, though I did pay some (belated) attention to the Doomsday/Reign of the Supermen/Return of Superman storyline. This seems like a very effective set up; in a few succinct words and images you've established where you are -- I like that efficiency :) My one nit pick would be this bit: >>And so Lois climbed back into bed, and like she'd done everynight for the last seven years, burst into tears. Perhaps I've never been hurt badly enough, but I have trouble believing that *anyone* could burst into tears on a daily basis for seven years. Time doesn't heal all wounds but it does tend to blunt the pain. So this was over-the-top for me, which jolted me out of the melancholy mood you'd created earlier. I'll be looking for further parts :-) Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / ChiefPam@nc.rr.com http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam **note new address** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Rowe(Juliet)" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: Untitled Prolouge/? > This is my first L&C fic which has a mix of comics canon and L&C canon. Tank > will have a mixed reaction to this prolouge.*G* > > Untitled fic > > By Juliet > > Summary: It's been seven years since Clark was taken from Lois, can a miracle > born out of invasion's hatred mend her heart? > > Author's notes: I've taken elements from L&C canon(I.E. the characters and > how they were represented in the series, certain events and L&C's > relationship) and mixed them with the Comics continuity (Superman's battle > with Doomsday, his death, and the JLA as represented now). I also pushed > L&C's timeline back a few years so that the death takes place in '93/94 and > the seventh year anniversary comes close to the year 2000 and all the > millennium madness that gripped the country at the time. > > Disclaimer: The characters of Lois and Clark and anyother DC character belong > to DC Comic and the WB. Some of the dialogue in the prologue comes from > Roger Stern's Death and Life of Superman and belongs to the author, DC and > Bantam books. > > Prologue > > Lois Lane watched in horror as her fiancee Clark Kent a.k.a. Superman > went down after he'd dealt what many had hoped was a death blow to the > monstrous Doomsday, a mysterious being that had ravaged much of the Eastern > seaboard and took out the vaunted Justice League. > > Superman laid on the ground unnaturally still. Lois could vaguely hear > people calling for an ambulance as she threw her reporter's detachment out > the window and rushed to her lover's side. > > As Jimmy numbly clicked off pictures unable to comprehend what he was > seeing, Lois bent down and took her lover in her arms. > > "Clark," she whispered, enough for Superman to hopefully hear her, softly > enough for Jimmy to miss what she said. > > Superman's face was so battered and bruised he could barely see. The > look of her soulmate's bloody and swollen face would haunt Lois for the rest > of her life. > > "Doomsday ... is he?" Superman struggled to ask, "Is he?" > > Lois struggled not to cry. "Down. You stopped him. You saved us all!" > > He nodded. Then his eyes closed one last time and his body slid limply > to the pavement. For a moment the whole world seemed still, save for the > sound of Lois Lane crying. > > Suddenly their was a rumbling and people started screaming and panicking > around Lois. She looked up to see the gray monster who killed the one man > that meant the most to her lumbering back to his feet, towards Lois and Jimmy. > > 'Clark didn't stop him afterall,' Lois thought in despair, stumbling back > to her feet and way from Doomsday, who was facing her down. > > She watched in sickening horror as Doomsday's feet crushed Superman and > Jimmy. As he reached down to grab her, Lois knew she was going to die and > join Clark and Jimmy. > > The last thing she saw as his huge hand crushed her body was his huge red > eyes. > * * * * > > Lois Lane bolted straight up from her bed, sweat dripping from her body, > trying to exit the nightmare she'd just experienced. Then it hit her, just > like it always did. That realization that, except for Doomsday coming back > to life, everything else had happened. > > Clark was gone. > > And he wasn't coming back. > > Lois climbed out of bed and gazed out of her window to the turbulent > world below. It had been seven years tomorrow since she'd lost her fiancee > and the world lost its ultimate Superhero. It was a drastically changed > world following Superman's death, and it had not gotten easier. > > Lois looked at the bottle of vodka on the nightstand. It would be so > easy to just drown her sorrows and numb her pain in that bottle, especially > after today's news. > > Clark's parents Martha and Jonathan Kent called Lois and gently informed > her that they'd started paperwork to declare their son legally dead. > Although the logical part of Lois understood that the facade of hoping their > son had survived the rampage Doomsday wrought on the part of Metropolis Clark > supposedly was reporting in seven years prior eventually had to end, the news > still hit Lois as hard as the day Clark died in her arms had, causing all the > old feelings and nightmares to come roaring back. > > And so Lois climbed back into bed, and like she'd done everynight for the > last seven years, burst into tears. > > "Clark," she said over and over through her sobs, finally crying herself > into a dreamless sleep. > > Additional Author's notes. I pretty much put this after the NK arc, because I > wanted them to go through the ultimate separation. I've toyed with the idea > of "what if" regarding Superman/Clark's battle with Doomsday for some time, > wondering (and debating on some comics lists) what life would've been life if > Superman had stayed dead or returned 5 to 10 years after Doomsday killed him > instead of the few months comics. So I started writing this. There will > also be an original character introduced in the next chapter that will help > out in this fic. I'm also including a lot of the DCU including a JLA that's > battered, bruised and missing a few KEY members*EG* But at the heart remains > Lois and Clark. So what's your opinion? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:56:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: New Story: The Croc Hunter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here you go, melisma. I'm not sure it's snicker worthy, but hey, my hubby came home earlier than expected last night and I think the muse took a vacation overnight, so... Here it is, in response to the Gel/Crocodile challenge. ***** Clark sighed and made a flying motion at Lois as he headed out of the newsroom. Yet another rescue. This was the fifth one today and it wasn't even lunchtime yet. At least he'd get to do a little bit of travelling with this one. The call seemed to come from Florida and, even though he didn't really get cold, the weather was much nicer there this time of year. Moments later, he landed in front of a little girl who was screaming at the top of her lungs. "What's wrong, sweetie?" She looked at him and screamed all the louder, but at least she pointed towards something behind him. He turned to see one of the largest crocodiles he'd ever seen. Irrelevantly, he thought that alligators were found in the Florida swamps, not crocodiles, but he could be wrong on that. The crocodile had his mouth wide open and was making a hissing sound. Clark looked around and saw a sign for a crocodile farm about 6 miles down the road. The obvious conclusion was that the croc belonged there. He sighed. Who did he think he was? The Crocodile Hunter? Lois loved to watch that guy on Animal Planet, but Clark always thought the guy was a bit crazy for doing all of the things he did without being invulnerable. But something had to be done and he was here. Maybe he should get the little girl out of the way and then hunt down Steve Irwin real quick, but he knew he was the one who was going to have to take care of this. He picked up the little girl and took her to the safety of a nearby, though empty, house, admonishing her to be good until he could come back for her and find her parents. He stood in front of the crocodile, debating the best way to do this and blessing the hours Lois made him watch that dang show. He needed to find something to get the croc's jaws closed. He knew if he could just tie them shut... He scanned the area and located a piece of rope in the garage of the nearby house. In the blink of an eye, he had the rope in his hand and was starting towards the crocodile. The next few moments were a blur, but somehow he managed to get the rope around the crocodile and held the semi-docile animal in his arms. He could feel the croc building up his energy to launch a new assault on the superhero, but Clark didn't want that to happen. He quickly took off and headed towards the crocodile farm. He arrived in under a minute, but just as he started the descent, the large, powerful tail whipped around, hitting him on the back. It caused momentary panic, but he was able to land safely without further incident. "Superman!" The startled handler could hardly believe what he was seeing. Superman with the missing crocodile in his arms. Clark had difficulty responding, but managed a hoarse, "I think this belongs to you." "Thank you so much. We just discovered that she was missing." He pointed towards an open gate. "She goes in there." *She?* Clark walked to the area indicated and put his weight on top of the crocodile while the workers removed the rope and exited the enclosure. In the blink of an eye, Clark was off the animal and on the other side of the fence. "Thanks again, Superman." The head handler shook Superman's hand. "I'm Joe and we're incredibly grateful to you. Muffin isn't quite as sweet as her name sounds." "Muffin?" Clark asked with a raised eyebrow. Joe shrugged. "My little girl named her. We live nearby and we let her name the last croc we brought in." Clark frowned. "Is she about 5 with curly brown hair and big blue eyes?" "Yes, she is," replied the puzzled man. "I think she's the one who found the croc. Can you come with me?" The man nodded and gulped as Clark picked him up and flew him to the house a few miles away. "DADDY!!!" The little girl ran out of the house as they touched down. "SARAH!" Joe picked her up and held her tightly for long minutes. Finally, she pulled back and began telling her story. "Muffin was here." "I know." "She scared me." "I know." She pointed at Superman. "He saved me." Her father looked gratefully at the superhero. "But Muffin tried to bite his head off." "What?" She nodded gravely. "Muffin tried to bite his head off. I saw it." "Wow!" He turned to Superman. "Did she really?" Clark scratched his head. "I'm really not sure. I don't remember much about the, ah, little scrap we got into. But you might want to check her teeth. If she did bite me, they might be a bit worse for the wear." "We will. That'll be the only way we'll know if she really did." The little girl tugged at her daddy's sleeve. "Daddy, Joey knows." "Joey?" "Um, hmm. He had the camera out." "He did?" The little nodded solemnly. "He did. We even watched the tape after Superman left." Clark raised an eyebrow. "Do you suppose I could get a copy of that tape?" "Sure. We have a double tape deck. We'll make you one real quick." They went inside and Clark had the opportunity to question the young man with the video camera. It turned out he had been in the shed when he heard young Sarah screaming. He had barely exited the shed when Superman arrived. Once he knew Sarah would be safe, he started shooting with the family video camera. The film wasn't long and a few minutes later, Clark was on his way back to Metropolis. ***** "Can I see you in the conference room for a minute?" Clark whispered in his wife's ear. Lois looked up, startled. "Sure." She waited until the door was closed behind them. "Tough one?" Clark shook his head. "Not really, just different. Watch." The watched the video in silence. Lois gulped as she saw her husband fighting a crocodile. They didn't even notice when Jimmy walked in. "WOW! I didn't know Superman knew how to wrestle crocodiles." The couple turned around, somewhat startled. "Neither did we, did we, Clark?" "It was all that 'Croc Hunter' you make him watch when he's at our house," Clark mumbled. "Oh, wow! Look at that!" Jimmy reached out and rewound the tape for a second. "His *head* is inside the croc's mouth!" "So it is." Lois looked shocked and a little bit worried. "Is he okay, Clark?" He shrugged. "He said he was fine when he gave me the tape." "Man, and all that gel in his hair didn't even get messed up. Even his 'cosmetic accessories' must be invulnerable. Someone needs to tell him he wears too much anyway." Lois sighed and mumbled under her breath. "Must be nice not to have to worry about getting a hair out of place. Some people have all the luck!" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:17:18 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Elizabeth Rowe(Juliet)" Subject: Re: Untitled Prolouge/? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/01 2:56:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chiefpam@NC.RR.COM writes: << Interesting, Elizabeth :) I don't follow the comics very closely, though I did pay some (belated) attention to the Doomsday/Reign of the Supermen/Return of Superman storyline. This seems like a very effective set up; in a few succinct words and images you've established where you are -- I like that efficiency :) My one nit pick would be this bit: >>And so Lois climbed back into bed, and like she'd done everynight for the last seven years, burst into tears. Perhaps I've never been hurt badly enough, but I have trouble believing that *anyone* could burst into tears on a daily basis for seven years. Time doesn't heal all wounds but it does tend to blunt the pain. So this was over-the-top for me, which jolted me out of the melancholy mood you'd created earlier. >> Thanks. I'm glad you liked it. I did realize that many L&C fans may or may not have been aware of the comics battle with Doomsday so one purpose of the prologue was to go back and establish that battle for those who either have not read/talked about the battle in a while and those who never heard of it or heard of it in passing. I also wanted to establish at least a glimpse of Lois at the point of time seven years later, still dealing with a grief, that I believe never leaves completely or totally. As for the crying in bed, perhaps that may have been over the top, I don't know. I just don't think that Lois would ever completely recover from Clark's death and in the series she tended to put up a tough front for everybody, so I'd assume that she'd put up a front for everybody else and let some of the frustrations in addition to her ongoing grief at night by crying herself to sleep. Perhaps later, when I submit it for the archive, I'll go back and change or modify the paragraph some. I'm glad you liked the start and hope to have more soon. Juliet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:13:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: New Story: The Croc Hunter In-Reply-To: <20010822.135652.-259699.10.cmoncado@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:56 PM 22/08/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Here you go, melisma. I'm not sure it's snicker worthy, but hey, my >hubby came home earlier than expected last night and I think the muse >took a vacation overnight, so... > >Here it is, in response to the Gel/Crocodile challenge. Hey, I liked it :) It was cute... So, where are all the other stories from all the other authors out there? Carol has 'broken the croc's tooth' so to speak - now the rest of you don't have to worry about being the first to post... Melisma (under her Rock, tickled that someone took her up on the challenge - now if she could think of something herself...) Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:16:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:05:44 EDT, Ann E. McBride wrote: > >It should be "tack." This comes from sailing, where one "tacks" or goes in a >somewhat zig-zag direction to get the most effect from the wind. I agree with those who've said that it's "tack," from sailing. > >"Tact" is what we use when we say, "What a lovely dress," and omit the rest >of our thought "Too bad it makes you look like a hippopatamus." > ROTFL!!! Well said! :-D Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:42:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Natascha Kortum Subject: Re: Valley of the Shadow, 12c/17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Oh Carol, This is good!!!! I can see the light at the end of the tunnel! :)))))) Finally someone is trying to figure out what's going on and why. It is about time, I might add. ;) And how can Lucy, Jimmy, and Perry not be successful? :) I am happy and very much looking forward to having Lois and Clark find out that *someone* has been trying to keep thme apart. That won't go over to well, right? ;) Natascha :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:45:20 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: Grammar question: tack or tact? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chucking in my tuppence-worth, too - yes, it's definitely tack, for the nautical reasons already given. Never occurred to me that it could be 'tact'! Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:00:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: VotS Sequel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The muse struck today and I wrote a scene from the sequel to VotS. I don't think it's the beginning, but about a week after they get back together. There's going to be some other stuff - time on the island and stuff. What do you think? How are things in TX? Are things going any better with the couple who's living with you? Did you find out anything for sure? I've been praying that things work out for you guys. Thanks! CM ***** "I don't see what the point of this is." "I know, Ellen, but if we ever want to see our daughter again, we have to do this." Ellen Lane sighed. She didn't understand the morbid reasons behind whatever Lois and *Clark* had in mind for this little gathering. Just the thought of the two of them back together was enough to make her skin crawl. Her little misdirection hadn't worked after all. Things had looked so good for two months, but in the end her other daughter had betrayed her and helped get the two of them back to communicating with each other. She had actually been kind of surprised when the two of them hadn't spoken for so long, as in love as they claimed to be, but she thanked whatever fates had decided they would stay apart. "Well, let's get this over with." Sam and Ellen walked into the foyer of the new home of their daughter. The brownstone was nice, they both grudgingly admitted, but the company left much to be desired. Sam wished they knew exactly what was going on, but all Lois would say was that it had something to do with the baby she had lost. Lois opened the door after they knocked and they entered the room to find they weren't the only ones who had been invited over. ***** Lois stood next to Clark and whispered, "Well, they're all here." "Are you ready?" Lois swallowed hard and nodded. "Let's do this." They turned to those assembled in their living room. Superman had flown his parents in for the day and Lois' parents were there. Jimmy, Lucy and Perry completed the little group. Lois gripped Clark's hand tightly as he began. "As you all know, we were expecting a baby, but - due to a tragic turn of events - the baby was miscarried. We went through a really tough time where we pulled away from each other and from all of you. Due to another, rather extraordinary turn of events, we were able to start communicating with each other again. We went back to Lois' doctor and he was able to explain some things to us." He looked at his wife for support and saw that she was slightly afraid as well. Not of most of the people there, but of what her parents were going to say after he finished his speech. This wasn't going to be easy for either one of them, but he knew it would be harder for her, especially after what he had overheard his in-laws discussing as they arrived. He took a deep breath and continued. "Dr. Moore said that the reason for the miscarriage was everything that Lois went through when I was kidnapped and her trying to find me. That *does not* make what happened her fault. It's not anyone's fault except for the person who put her through the stress in the first place and one of these days we *are* going to find that person. According to the doctor, there was really nothing anyone could have done at that point. The baby was developing normally, but her body just couldn't handle it. The doctor was able to give us some more information that we asked for. He told us," Clark looked at Lois and squeezed her hand gently as he continued, "that we were going to have a little boy. We decided that we wanted to give this little child, that we'll never have the chance to know a name and a memorial service with those that we are closest to. That's why we're here today. To remember the son, the grandson, the nephew, and the friend that we'll never know. Joseph Michael will be in our hearts forever and we miss him deeply, but we know that Joey is in a better place. So, what we'd like to do, if anyone else wants to, is tell what we had dreamed of for Joey. We're taping all of this so that one day, we can go back and look at it and remember that we weren't the only ones who loved... love our son." The silence in the room was deafening. Clark couldn't help but notice the looks that Ellen and Sam had been giving each other differed greatly from the ones the rest of the group shared. "The other thing that we ask is that, *if* anyone has anything negative to say, it be saved for another time. So, I'm going to start. "For various reasons relating to my childhood that I'm not going to go into, my parents and I weren't sure if I'd even be able to have children. When we found out Lois was pregnant, I was ecstatic. I didn't have to worry about that anymore and I was going to be a father, a daddy. I think every man wants to have a son and I'm incredibly grateful for Joey." Clark stopped as he started to choke up. He swallowed the tears, vowing to save them for later. "I dreamed that someday he would grow up and be in the family business, a reporter, or whatever else he wanted to be. But I knew that he'd be good at it. I know that life wouldn't have been perfect, that there would have been disappointments and times that we fought, but we would have worked things out. Now, all we have are those perfect dreams of who we hoped Joey would be. No bad memories, no disappointments. We will have other children someday, but no one will ever replace Joey in our hearts and minds. We will *always* love our first child." Martha and Jonathan had had an inkling of why they were being brought to Metropolis. As they looked at their son, they were proud of the man he had become. Martha was the first to speak up after Clark finished. "I think what I looked forward to most was the time that we would get to spend with Joey on the farm. I remember the looks on Clark's face when he would play in the barnyard with the dogs, or when he'd find a hurt bird and want to help. I remember him telling me about the first time he flew. Jonathan and I weren't with him, but he told us all about it and the wonder in his eyes was incredible. I remember the time Clark and Jonathan built his clubhouse and I looked forward to all of those things with Joey. I dreamed of the day when we'd make chocolate chip cookies together or a big Thanksgiving dinner. I dreamed of seeing him grow up and get married to a beautiful girl, just like Clark did, and having great-grandchildren. I know I never had the chance to meet him, but I loved him from the first moment Lois realized that she might be pregnant and I will love him until the day I die." Tears were running down her cheeks as she finished. Jonathan squeezed her hand and looked around to see if anyone else was ready to talk. When no one spoke up, he cleared his throat. "I looked forward to many of the same things that Martha did. Seeing Joey around the farm, getting into the same kind of trouble his father did. Letting the chickens out and having to round them up again, chasing the cows around the pasture, getting lost in the fields when they were over his head. Helping me in the barn. Milking the cows, mucking the stalls - something his dad hated as much as Joey would have. I dreamed of taking a weekend one summer when he was about 8 and driving to Kansas City or St. Louis to catch a weekend baseball series and help Clark teach him the finer points of the game. I dreamed of seeing his face the year that we gave him a bike or some other big present for Christmas, of helping him build a snowman after a Kansas blizzard. I, too, will love my grandson until the day I die and I finally get to meet him face to face." Jimmy wanted to wait until the rest of the family had had their chance to speak, but Lucy was too overcome and Ellen and Sam didn't look like they planned on saying anything at all. He looked at his hands, holding one of Lucy's, and began to speak. "I know I'm not family, but CK and Lois are two of my best friends in the whole world. I was so excited when I found out that they were married, to each other. I knew they were perfect together. Something about them was... right. And then, at the same time, Lois told me she was having a baby. I couldn't believe it. If there was ever two people who deserved to be happy, it's these two. To see the way Lois' face lit up whenever she talked about the... about Joey and to see Clark... It was incredible. When we first found out the baby was gone, I could see how hard it was on both of them. "I dreamed that someday, this child would see me as kinda 'Uncle Jimmy', that I could teach him all the things that Lois and Clark wouldn't want him to know. Things like how to put Vaseline and plastic wrap on the toilet and how to use a trick buzzer and how to pull a quarter out of someone's ear. To teach the little guy how to throw a screwball, because I know CK never quite mastered that one. To help him sneak a peek at his presents the week before Christmas and all the things that Clark would never teach him, because he's just too dang responsible. Maybe even how to pick a lock, but that's more Lois' department anyway. I know I'm not related to Joey, but I love him anyway." Tears were seen on the faces of all but Sam Lane and he did his best to look sad and like he was feeling the same things everyone else was. Only he knew that Ellen could cry at the drop of a hat, without really feeling anything and he knew that she was putting on the same kind of front he was. He understood that losing a child was painful, but this was kind of ridiculous. He stifled a yawn and hoped it would be over soon. Perry stood and swallowed hard. "I know I'm not a member of the family either, but I've come to love both Lois and Clark like they were my own kids. I know that doesn't really make me Joey's grandpa, but I thought about the days when I'd get to bring over some loud, obnoxious toys and leave them for Lois and Clark to deal with. That I could show the little guy how things used to be at the newspaper. And of course teach him to love Elvis like I do. Like I said I'm not family either, but I love Joey, too." Lucy looked at her parents and knew that if they said anything it wouldn't be what Lois and Clark wanted to hear or it would all be fake anyway. She squeezed Jimmy's hand and began to speak. "I always wanted to be Aunt Lucy to someone. I could get lots of those toys Perry was talking about, just so they would drive my sister nuts. I dreamed of the nights when Joey was a little older and he could spend the night at my house and we could watch Disney movies and pop popcorn and eat all the junk food his parents wouldn't approve of. Anyway, I think that's about all I can think of right now, except to say that I love Joey and I wish I could have gotten to know him." Ellen knew if she didn't say something, Lois would be upset, so she decided to go ahead. "They say the best thing about being a grandparent is that you can spoil the child and then give him or her back. I guess that's what I looked forward to the most." She let the tears overcome her, so it looked like she was so upset she couldn't go on. Clark had a hard time controlling his temper. He could tell that Ellen was faking her emotions and that in reality she was barely controlling her contempt for the situation. At least she had the decency to pretend for the sake of her daughter. Sam wasn't doing as well but at least he wasn't causing any problems. He was surprised when Sam spoke. "I guess I agree with everyone else. I wish we'd had the chance to the kid, but since it's not going to happen, I'm glad we'll all be able to move on." Lois wasn't surprised at either one of her parents, but it still hurt. She was the only one left to speak and she was grateful for Clark's arm that supported her at the waist. "I guess it's my turn. Losing Joey was the hardest thing that ever happened to me. I dreamed of the day when I would hold him in my arms for the first time, see those big, beautiful eyes of his, knowing that he was my child. I never saw myself with kids until Clark came along, but now I can't imagine not wanting to be a mother. I dreamed of seeing him off to school the first time, learning to drive, graduating from high school, seeing him off to college, his wedding, *our* first grandchild. I dreamed of kissing his scraped knee to make it all better, of holding him in the middle of the night when he had a bad dream, of teaching him to spell and read, of helping him learn to ride a bike or how to make snow angels." Her voice cracked and she held a hand to her face. "I know those dreams will never come true for Joey, but I know that we will have other children and that those dreams will come true with them. I love Joey with all my heart and I always will, but I think that now that we've had this little service, we can move on and know that even though we'll never get to know him, we all love him and miss him." The silence in the room was broken only by the sniffles of those who were crying. Finally, Clark spoke up. "Thanks to all of you for coming and for sharing your thoughts and dreams for our son. I can't tell you how much it means to us." He pointed towards the dining room. "There's some finger foods and stuff on the table. Please help yourselves." ***** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:03:04 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ursula Bento Subject: Re: Heritage 9/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Nancy, I like your story very much. Are you sure you are done with this? I hope you will continue writing about this version of CJ. Would be nice to follow his progress. Like 'Smallville'will be doing with Clark's formative years. Ursie ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Smith To: Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:47 AM Subject: Heritage 9/9 > Heritage 9/9 > by Nan Smith > > "Ms. Lane! There's a call for you on line two! It's a Mrs. Dillon, > calling about CJ!" > > Lois turned her head at the call from Kelly, the current office gofer. > She grabbed for the phone on Clark's desk. "Lois Lane." > > "Oh, thank heavens!" Laura Dillon sounded agitated. "Lois, I thought > you should know right away. CJ--" > > "Is something wrong?" Lois asked, trying to keep calm. Laura wasn't the > kind of person to get upset at trifles. Having eight children ranging > from eighteen to nine, including two sets of twins, tended to make her > pretty unflappable except in the direst of circumstances. "Is CJ all > right?" > > "Yes, pretty much. I wanted to let you know we're at Metro General." > She heard Laura take a deep breath. "He's okay. Just a little cold, > but he--he pulled another boy out of the pond at the park. He saved his > life." There was the sound of muffled voices in the background. Laura > said something that Lois couldn't quite hear, then she spoke to Lois > again. "That was the doctor. He says CJ's fine. His temperature was > normal when he got here. The nurse wants to know if someone can bring > him some dry clothes." > > "Tell them I'll be there as soon as I can," Lois said. She hung up, > becoming suddenly aware that she was the center of attention. Perry was > standing only a few feet away, looking concerned. > > "Is everything all right, honey?" he asked. > > Lois nodded, feeling a little shell-shocked. CJ's powers had begun to > manifest only a little over three weeks ago and he was already saving > lives. Her baby boy was growing up before her eyes. She wasn't sure > she was ready for this. "Yeah. That was CJ's babysitter. I have to > leave, Chief. CJ's at Metro General and needs some dry clothes." > > Perry's eyebrows flew up and she felt it necessary to add, "He pulled > another boy out of the pond in Centennial Park." > > Perry's face broke into a grin. "Oh, I see. You better go, then. And > Lois--" > > Already turning away, she paused. "Yes?" > > "If there's a story in this, I don't want any other paper to get it > first. Besides, that way you can control what's printed." > > "Right, Perry," she said. > > Heading away from Clark's desk, she heard him murmur softly, "Like > father, like son," but she said nothing. For some years, she had been > aware that Perry *knew*, and Perry knew she knew he knew, but it was > never mentioned, by unspoken agreement between Perry, Clark and Lois. > > After a brief stop at home, she continued on to Metro General. When she > walked into the ER waiting room, Laura stood up, looking apologetic and > relieved at the same time. Wyatt smiled and waved. > > "Thanks for coming so quickly," Laura said when Lois hurried over to > her. "CJ's still in there, wearing a hospital gown. He doesn't like it > much." > > "I'll bet," Lois said. "I better get these to him. Are you sure he's > all right?" > > Laura nodded. "I'm sure. They wrapped him up in blankets in the > paramedic van and when they took his temperature, it was fine, but they > said if CJ hadn't pulled the other boy out of the pond he might have > died." > > "I guess I better get the whole story from him," Lois said. "Were you > there, Wyatt?" > > Wyatt nodded. > > "Then you can tell me about it later, okay?" > > Again, Wyatt nodded. "Sure, Ms. Lane." > > The nurse behind the admitting desk raised her eyebrows when Lois > identified herself. "CJ Kent? You're his mother? Aren't you that > reporter at the Daily Planet?" > > Lois nodded. "Yes. My husband is Clark Kent--CJ's *father*," she added > pointedly. "I have his clothes here." She held up the bag of CJ's > things. > > The woman smiled primly. "He'll be glad to see those. You have a very > brave son, Ms. Lane." > > Lois smiled wryly. "I know," she said. "I guess I wouldn't have > expected anything else." > > ********** > > "Hey, CJ! You're on LNN!" Marta called, gleefully. CJ rolled his > eyes. He hoped very much that tomorrow would be another snow day. If > it was, maybe by the time he went back to school, the other kids would > have forgotten about what had happened this afternoon. He opened the > shade on his window to peer out at the sky. A few flakes still fell, > but the clouds seemed to be clearing awfully fast. > > His father knocked on the doorframe. "May I come in, CJ?" > > "Sure." CJ turned from the window. "I'm glad you're back, Dad." > > "So am I," his father said, very soberly. > > Dad looked tired, CJ thought. It must have been pretty bad trying to > help all those people who had been in the earthquake, but Superman had > gone at once when he'd heard. That was what Superman did, after all. > > "I heard about what happened today," his father said. "You did a brave > thing, CJ." > > CJ shook his head. "No I didn't. I was scared, but I'd knocked Jake > into the water. I couldn't let him drown." > > "I know," his father said. "But they were trying to throw you and Wyatt > into the water--and when Jake fell in, Biff and Grunt ran away. *You* > not only stayed, you jumped into freezing water to pull him out. > Superman already talked to Red, by the way, and I called Jake's > parents. You'll be glad to know that the doctors say Jake will be fine > in a day or two." > > "I'm glad of that." CJ flopped down on his bed. "But I don't *feel* > brave, Dad. It's just that there wasn't anyone else who could help--so > I had to." > > Clark smiled. "Do you remember the Cowardly Lion, CJ?" > > "Sure." > > "Did he really need the Wizard's magic courage?" > > CJ shook his head. "No." > > "Why not?" > > CJ wondered what his father was driving at. "Because he already had > courage. He just didn't know it." > > "Exactly," Clark said. "He thought he was a coward because whenever he > was faced with danger, he was afraid. But he never ran away; he handled > it because someone had to, and most of the time he was the only one who > could. If he hadn't been afraid, he couldn't have been brave, CJ, and > neither could you. You saved Jake's life and there's nothing more > important than a life. Your mom and I are proud of you." > > CJ squirmed slightly, but it was nice to know that his parents were > pleased with him. "Biff and Grunt are going to be mad, though." > > "That's their problem. The way I hear it, Red isn't very happy with > them for running off like that and neither is Jake. Jake's mother and > dad said to tell you that they're very grateful to you for saving their > son. I'm afraid you're going to have to put up with your fifteen > minutes of fame just like everybody else." Clark grinned. "It won't > last. In a few days mostly everyone will have forgotten." > > "I hope so," CJ mumbled. > > "They will. In the meantime, though, why don't you come downstairs? > Your mom's serving ice cream." > > "Peppermint?" CJ asked, cautiously. > > "No; chocolate. She can't stand it, so she's getting rid of it until > she's past this stage." > > CJ rolled to his feet. "Okay. Chocolate's my favorite." > > ********** > > "Hey, Squirt!" > > CJ tried to ignore Biff's voice as he and Wyatt entered the schoolyard. > The bigger boy, accompanied by Grunt, moved around to block their path. > "I was talkin' to you, Shrimp." > > "I know," CJ said, evenly. "I just don't want to talk to you, Biff." > > "Well, you're gonna. I bet you think you're a big hero. I don't like > heroes." > > "Leave 'em alone, Biff." Red had strolled up behind them, and the two > smaller boys looked worriedly at each other. CJ hoped he wasn't going > to have to yell for Superman. > > "What's wrong with you?" Biff demanded. > > "Nothing. Just leave 'em alone. They didn't do anything to you." > > "What do you care?" > > Red stepped past the two fifth graders and shoved his nose within an > inch of Biff's. "You slimy coward. You ran off and left Jake to > drown. I shoulda listened to Superman last time, but now I'm gonna. > You bother these kids again, you're gonna be eating your teeth." > > CJ hadn't noticed before, but Red was bigger than Biff, and he looked > really mad right now. Biff took a step back, his mouth half open. > > Red didn't move. He looked contemptuously at Grunt and then > deliberately spat on the ground. CJ and Wyatt watched the drama playing > out before them with their eyes wide. > > Biff's blank expression changed to anger. "You wanta hang out with > those losers, go ahead. I don't need you." > > Red grinned, showing his teeth. "Just stay outta my way. And don't > forget what I said. Leave 'em alone." > > The first bell rang. Red glanced around at CJ. "Go on, kid. He isn't > gonna give you any trouble." > > CJ closed his mouth with an effort. "Thanks," he managed. > > Biff and Grunt were walking away, trying to swagger. Red looked after > them. "Losers," he said, in disgust. "Go on, guys. And if they give > you any hassle after this, tell me. Okay?" > > Speechless, CJ and Wyatt nodded in unison. Red grinned and headed for > the sixth grade entrance. > > "Wow," Wyatt said, after a minute. > > "Yeah," CJ said. He glanced at his watch. "Come on, we're going to be > late." > > The two boys broke into a run. > > The End > > Comments welcome ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:45:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Heritage 9/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, Ursula, I'm glad you liked Heritage. I probably will write about CJ and Wyatt again, and possibly about the other Kent children as well, but I only have a few fuzzy ideas about them right now. Thanks for writing to tell me what you thought. I appreciate it. Nan Ursula Bento wrote: > Hi Nancy, I like your story very much. Are you sure you are done with this? > I hope you will continue writing about this version of CJ. Would be nice to > follow his progress. Like 'Smallville'will be doing with Clark's formative > years. > Ursie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nancy Smith > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 3:47 AM > Subject: Heritage 9/9 > > > Heritage 9/9 > > by Nan Smith > > > > "Ms. Lane! There's a call for you on line two! It's a Mrs. Dillon, > > calling about CJ!" > > > > Lois turned her head at the call from Kelly, the current office gofer. > > She grabbed for the phone on Clark's desk. "Lois Lane." > > > > "Oh, thank heavens!" Laura Dillon sounded agitated. "Lois, I thought > > you should know right away. CJ--" > > > > "Is something wrong?" Lois asked, trying to keep calm. Laura wasn't the > > kind of person to get upset at trifles. Having eight children ranging > > from eighteen to nine, including two sets of twins, tended to make her > > pretty unflappable except in the direst of circumstances. "Is CJ all > > right?" > > > > "Yes, pretty much. I wanted to let you know we're at Metro General." > > She heard Laura take a deep breath. "He's okay. Just a little cold, > > but he--he pulled another boy out of the pond at the park. He saved his > > life." There was the sound of muffled voices in the background. Laura > > said something that Lois couldn't quite hear, then she spoke to Lois > > again. "That was the doctor. He says CJ's fine. His temperature was > > normal when he got here. The nurse wants to know if someone can bring > > him some dry clothes." > > > > "Tell them I'll be there as soon as I can," Lois said. She hung up, > > becoming suddenly aware that she was the center of attention. Perry was > > standing only a few feet away, looking concerned. > > > > "Is everything all right, honey?" he asked. > > > > Lois nodded, feeling a little shell-shocked. CJ's powers had begun to > > manifest only a little over three weeks ago and he was already saving > > lives. Her baby boy was growing up before her eyes. She wasn't sure > > she was ready for this. "Yeah. That was CJ's babysitter. I have to > > leave, Chief. CJ's at Metro General and needs some dry clothes." > > > > Perry's eyebrows flew up and she felt it necessary to add, "He pulled > > another boy out of the pond in Centennial Park." > > > > Perry's face broke into a grin. "Oh, I see. You better go, then. And > > Lois--" > > > > Already turning away, she paused. "Yes?" > > > > "If there's a story in this, I don't want any other paper to get it > > first. Besides, that way you can control what's printed." > > > > "Right, Perry," she said. > > > > Heading away from Clark's desk, she heard him murmur softly, "Like > > father, like son," but she said nothing. For some years, she had been > > aware that Perry *knew*, and Perry knew she knew he knew, but it was > > never mentioned, by unspoken agreement between Perry, Clark and Lois. > > > > After a brief stop at home, she continued on to Metro General. When she > > walked into the ER waiting room, Laura stood up, looking apologetic and > > relieved at the same time. Wyatt smiled and waved. > > > > "Thanks for coming so quickly," Laura said when Lois hurried over to > > her. "CJ's still in there, wearing a hospital gown. He doesn't like it > > much." > > > > "I'll bet," Lois said. "I better get these to him. Are you sure he's > > all right?" > > > > Laura nodded. "I'm sure. They wrapped him up in blankets in the > > paramedic van and when they took his temperature, it was fine, but they > > said if CJ hadn't pulled the other boy out of the pond he might have > > died." > > > > "I guess I better get the whole story from him," Lois said. "Were you > > there, Wyatt?" > > > > Wyatt nodded. > > > > "Then you can tell me about it later, okay?" > > > > Again, Wyatt nodded. "Sure, Ms. Lane." > > > > The nurse behind the admitting desk raised her eyebrows when Lois > > identified herself. "CJ Kent? You're his mother? Aren't you that > > reporter at the Daily Planet?" > > > > Lois nodded. "Yes. My husband is Clark Kent--CJ's *father*," she added > > pointedly. "I have his clothes here." She held up the bag of CJ's > > things. > > > > The woman smiled primly. "He'll be glad to see those. You have a very > > brave son, Ms. Lane." > > > > Lois smiled wryly. "I know," she said. "I guess I wouldn't have > > expected anything else." > > > > ********** > > > > "Hey, CJ! You're on LNN!" Marta called, gleefully. CJ rolled his > > eyes. He hoped very much that tomorrow would be another snow day. If > > it was, maybe by the time he went back to school, the other kids would > > have forgotten about what had happened this afternoon. He opened the > > shade on his window to peer out at the sky. A few flakes still fell, > > but the clouds seemed to be clearing awfully fast. > > > > His father knocked on the doorframe. "May I come in, CJ?" > > > > "Sure." CJ turned from the window. "I'm glad you're back, Dad." > > > > "So am I," his father said, very soberly. > > > > Dad looked tired, CJ thought. It must have been pretty bad trying to > > help all those people who had been in the earthquake, but Superman had > > gone at once when he'd heard. That was what Superman did, after all. > > > > "I heard about what happened today," his father said. "You did a brave > > thing, CJ." > > > > CJ shook his head. "No I didn't. I was scared, but I'd knocked Jake > > into the water. I couldn't let him drown." > > > > "I know," his father said. "But they were trying to throw you and Wyatt > > into the water--and when Jake fell in, Biff and Grunt ran away. *You* > > not only stayed, you jumped into freezing water to pull him out. > > Superman already talked to Red, by the way, and I called Jake's > > parents. You'll be glad to know that the doctors say Jake will be fine > > in a day or two." > > > > "I'm glad of that." CJ flopped down on his bed. "But I don't *feel* > > brave, Dad. It's just that there wasn't anyone else who could help--so > > I had to." > > > > Clark smiled. "Do you remember the Cowardly Lion, CJ?" > > > > "Sure." > > > > "Did he really need the Wizard's magic courage?" > > > > CJ shook his head. "No." > > > > "Why not?" > > > > CJ wondered what his father was driving at. "Because he already had > > courage. He just didn't know it." > > > > "Exactly," Clark said. "He thought he was a coward because whenever he > > was faced with danger, he was afraid. But he never ran away; he handled > > it because someone had to, and most of the time he was the only one who > > could. If he hadn't been afraid, he couldn't have been brave, CJ, and > > neither could you. You saved Jake's life and there's nothing more > > important than a life. Your mom and I are proud of you." > > > > CJ squirmed slightly, but it was nice to know that his parents were > > pleased with him. "Biff and Grunt are going to be mad, though." > > > > "That's their problem. The way I hear it, Red isn't very happy with > > them for running off like that and neither is Jake. Jake's mother and > > dad said to tell you that they're very grateful to you for saving their > > son. I'm afraid you're going to have to put up with your fifteen > > minutes of fame just like everybody else." Clark grinned. "It won't > > last. In a few days mostly everyone will have forgotten." > > > > "I hope so," CJ mumbled. > > > > "They will. In the meantime, though, why don't you come downstairs? > > Your mom's serving ice cream." > > > > "Peppermint?" CJ asked, cautiously. > > > > "No; chocolate. She can't stand it, so she's getting rid of it until > > she's past this stage." > > > > CJ rolled to his feet. "Okay. Chocolate's my favorite." > > > > ********** > > > > "Hey, Squirt!" > > > > CJ tried to ignore Biff's voice as he and Wyatt entered the schoolyard. > > The bigger boy, accompanied by Grunt, moved around to block their path. > > "I was talkin' to you, Shrimp." > > > > "I know," CJ said, evenly. "I just don't want to talk to you, Biff." > > > > "Well, you're gonna. I bet you think you're a big hero. I don't like > > heroes." > > > > "Leave 'em alone, Biff." Red had strolled up behind them, and the two > > smaller boys looked worriedly at each other. CJ hoped he wasn't going > > to have to yell for Superman. > > > > "What's wrong with you?" Biff demanded. > > > > "Nothing. Just leave 'em alone. They didn't do anything to you." > > > > "What do you care?" > > > > Red stepped past the two fifth graders and shoved his nose within an > > inch of Biff's. "You slimy coward. You ran off and left Jake to > > drown. I shoulda listened to Superman last time, but now I'm gonna. > > You bother these kids again, you're gonna be eating your teeth." > > > > CJ hadn't noticed before, but Red was bigger than Biff, and he looked > > really mad right now. Biff took a step back, his mouth half open. > > > > Red didn't move. He looked contemptuously at Grunt and then > > deliberately spat on the ground. CJ and Wyatt watched the drama playing > > out before them with their eyes wide. > > > > Biff's blank expression changed to anger. "You wanta hang out with > > those losers, go ahead. I don't need you." > > > > Red grinned, showing his teeth. "Just stay outta my way. And don't > > forget what I said. Leave 'em alone." > > > > The first bell rang. Red glanced around at CJ. "Go on, kid. He isn't > > gonna give you any trouble." > > > > CJ closed his mouth with an effort. "Thanks," he managed. > > > > Biff and Grunt were walking away, trying to swagger. Red looked after > > them. "Losers," he said, in disgust. "Go on, guys. And if they give > > you any hassle after this, tell me. Okay?" > > > > Speechless, CJ and Wyatt nodded in unison. Red grinned and headed for > > the sixth grade entrance. > > > > "Wow," Wyatt said, after a minute. > > > > "Yeah," CJ said. He glanced at his watch. "Come on, we're going to be > > late." > > > > The two boys broke into a run. > > > > The End > > > > Comments welcome ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:52:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Heritage 9/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Laurie. I will. Nan No Name Available wrote: > Nan, that was wonderful! Please consider writing more chapters in CJ's life. > Pretty please? > -Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:54:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Heritage 9/9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad you like the idea I'll write something when the muse strikes. Nan Carol L Moncado wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:44:57 -0700 Nancy Smith > writes: > > Glad you liked it. I'll probably do another story about CJ sooner or > > later. > > I've got a few ideas, but they're not really clear, yet. > > > > Nan > > YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Love to see more CJ - and find out who they name the next little one > after! > > CM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:35:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: VotS Sequel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AHHH! That was supposed to go to my BR!!!!!! Not sure how it ended up on the list! So if you're reading Valley of the Shadow, you might not want to read this as it will spoil some stuff that's coming up. Thanks Yvonne for catching that for me! AHAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! CM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:00:43 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: VotS Sequel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol - this is wonderful - especially after all the angst you put us through. merry Carol L Moncado wrote: > AHHH! That was supposed to go to my BR!!!!!! Not sure how it ended up > on the list! So if you're reading Valley of the Shadow, you might not > want to read this as it will spoil some stuff that's coming up. > > Thanks Yvonne for catching that for me! > > AHAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! > > CM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:20:07 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Natascha Kortum Subject: Re: VotS Sequel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Carol, No harm done. To the contrary. :) I couldn't resist reading and still have tears in my eyes. But it makes me look forward to the rest of VotS even more. (That sounds weird but I am sure you know what I mean). Thanks for sharing, I will make sure to read it again afterwards. And can I slap Sam and Ellen please? ;0 Natascha _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:55:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Mary Sue Characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For those of you who have read the Mary Sue Litmus test at http://missy.reimer.com/library/marysue.html and Too Good to be True: 150 Years of Mary Sue at http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.HTM - do any of you disagree with the criteria? I=92ve been wondering what a character=92s unusual name or eyecolor has to do with defining the character= as a Mary Sue. Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:19:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chief Pam Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the point of the unusual name or eyecolor is that nothing about Mary Sue is ordinary; she's just extra-special in every way. Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / ChiefPam@nc.rr.com http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam **note new address** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shadow Fax" To: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 8:55 AM Subject: Mary Sue Characters For those of you who have read the Mary Sue Litmus test at http://missy.reimer.com/library/marysue.html and Too Good to be True: 150 Years of Mary Sue at http://www.merrycoz.org/papers/MARYSUE.HTM - do any of you disagree with the criteria? I've been wondering what a character's unusual name or eyecolor has to do with defining the character as a Mary Sue. Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:45:44 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Valley of the Shadow, 12c/17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah. Finally a light at the end of the tunnel whether 17 or more. Great story so far. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:01:53 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: HoL: Did he *spit* in the wine? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/22/01 10:52:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: > This says to me that either John Shea or the director added in the bit about > offering the glass to Superman. Isn't it amazing how much gets added from > the page to the screen? Wonderful interpretation from John Shea! > I agree absolutely. Offering the wine with spit in it to Superman defines for the viewer that Lex not only hates Superman, but he despises, scorns, looks down on adn disdains him. What a great piece of acting - adds so much. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:35:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:19:34 -0400, Chief Pam wrote: >I think the point of the unusual name or eyecolor is that nothing about Mary >Sue is ordinary; she's just extra-special in every way. > Thanks, Pam. When you put it like that, it makes sense. I was taking it out of the context of the definition of a Mary Sue being an original character intruding in a fanfiction. But then, I was *encouraged* to take it out of that context when the essay on 150 Years of Mary Sue expanded the definition of a MS to include *any* fictional heroine who is impossibly perfect. By that definition, 90 % of the heroines in popular U.S. fic in the late 19th and early 20th centuries would be Mary Sue characters. And someone would have to have a talk with Tolkien. And Zane Grey. And Dickens. (Come to think of it, someone should have a talk with Dickens anyway - anyone ever hear of Little Nell? ;- ) And don't even get me started on the impossible *male* protagonists in popular fiction. Have there been many LnC stories that have Mary Sue or Harry Sue characters in them? I don't seem to have run across any and I've been wondering what they're like. Several years ago I read a fic, written in the first person, where a young girl or woman gets a crush on Superman and goes to Metropolis to find him. She keeps putting herself in danger to try to meet him, but in the end - well, I won't spoil the story for those who haven't read it, but I liked the ending. I liked the story very much and I don't see the girl as a Mary Sue, even though she was an original character who was central to the story. Anyone remember that fic? Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the author or the story. Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:48:34 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Shadowfax wrote: >I was *encouraged* to take it out of that context when the essay >on 150 Years of Mary Sue expanded the definition of a MS to include *any* >fictional heroine who is impossibly perfect. By that definition, 90 % of >the heroines in popular U.S. fic in the late 19th and early 20th centuries >would be Mary Sue characters. And someone would have to have a talk with >Tolkien. Oooh. Them are fighting words, Shadowfax. ;) I challenge you to name a *single* character in Lord of the Rings who is perfect and never makes mistakes. They don't exist. If the first grand theme of LotR is that small people can do great deeds, the second is that Arda is a marred world, and the Children of Iluvatar must continually struggle. Gandalf makes mistakes. Aragorn makes mistakes. Frodo makes so many mistakes they would be difficult to enumerate. :) Galadriel? Tragic past, hoo boy. Lots of mistakes there, too - especially pride. Stepping off my Tolkien soapbox for a moment, I would argue that any "perfect" character isn't fun. A good main character has to be *likeable*; that's why I was never able to read more of a chapter or two of Dune, for example. But a character who never falters and gets everything right? What's the fun of reading a story that does not contain the drama of struggle? (Wendy should note that I did *not* say angst. ) And that's why FoLCdom has endured, I think. Superman, as Clark Kent the man, is not presented as a Kryptonian who walks above humans; he is presented as a person who struggles to define his place in life. Lois, too, is constantly struggling. And it's that constant wrestling with their lives that makes them such marvelous characters. >Have there been many LnC stories that have Mary Sue or Harry Sue >characters in them? Not really, no. There have been some likeable original characters, of course, but there are very few LnC fics where the OC upstages LnC. That's probably the biggest clue. Are Lois and Clark acting like idiots so that *your* original character can find the answer? Or, FoLCs forbid, does Clark fall for your OC instead of Lois? If yes, then put down your mouse now and turn in your test paper. :) Hazel, who apologizes for the obscure Tolkien references :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:18:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chris Carr Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters Coming out of lurkdom here... Thanks, Shadow Fax, for posting the two links. I'd seen (and, dare I say it, taken) the Mary Sue litmus test before, but I hadn't read the article, which was very thought provoking. On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:35:55 -0500, Shadow Fax wrote: > >But then, I was *encouraged* to take it out of that context when the essay >on 150 Years of Mary Sue expanded the definition of a MS to include *any* >fictional heroine who is impossibly perfect. By that definition, 90 % of >the heroines in popular U.S. fic in the late 19th and early 20th centuries >would be Mary Sue characters. And someone would have to have a talk with >Tolkien. And Zane Grey. And Dickens. (Come to think of it, someone >should have a talk with Dickens anyway - anyone ever hear of Little Nell? ;- After reading the article, I found myself asking whether it is actually possible to have an original story *without* including Mary Sue characters or, at the very least, characters with Mary Sue-like traits. As you point out, Shadow Fax, all impossibly perfect characters seem to qualify for the title (as, apparently does anyone with a tragic past). BTW I like your comment about Dickens (can't comment on the others, because I haven't read them). With my tongue very firmly in my cheek for a moment I want to ask... By the time I've decided that I *can't* mention hair colour or colour of eyes, the fact that my hero didn't get on with his father, that he is a gifted __ (fill in the blank), that he is of heroic character, that my heroine redeems him through the power of her love, that neither of them can have quirky personality traits or habits etc... what is there left to write *about*? Joe Bloggs and Jane Doe do the dishes toghether and squabble over who gets to wash and who gets to dry? This isn't, I confess, an entirely new set of thoughts. But my impression has been for quite a while that characters we fear are / see as being Mary Sues in fanfic might, in an entirely original story, actually fit in quite comfortably (always assuming some of the worst excesses of the fanfic Mary Sue are removed, and the story is well written). So, what I would like to know is this: do fellow list members think that Mary Sue characters only exist in fandom, or do you see them cropping up regularly in other writing? And do you find the characters in a romance novel to be more acceptable than a romantic heroine (i.e. the Mary Sue character) plonked down in a fanfic story? > >Have there been many LnC stories that have Mary Sue or Harry Sue >characters in them? I don't seem to have run across any and I've been >wondering what they're like. Yes, in my opinion there are. I can think of a few examples, but don't wish to 'name and shame'! ;) My impression is, however, that there are noticeably fewer in Lois and Clark fanfiction than is the case elsewhere. I think the fact that the story revolves around a couple and their developing romance actually mitigates against the inclusion of Mary Sue characters in LnC stories. Why put in a new love interest for Clark when we have a wonderful one already? (Yes, I know it does happen, but it doesn't happen very often!) I know this has been discussed here before, but Clark was a Gary Sue(is that the correct expression?) creation, himself. Yet we find him perfectly acceptable -- and that goes back to my earlier questions. Clark Kent was, as far as Siegel and Shuster were concerned, an original character. Is he, therefore, a 'real' Mary Sue? What do you guys think? >Several years ago I read a fic, written in >the first person, where a young girl or woman gets a crush on Superman and >goes to Metropolis to find him. She keeps putting herself in danger to try >to meet him, but in the end - well, I won't spoil the story for those who >haven't read it, but I liked the ending. I liked the story very much and I >don't see the girl as a Mary Sue, even though she was an original character >who was central to the story. Anyone remember that fic? Unfortunately, I >don't remember the name of the author or the story. > I think I recognise it, but, no, I can't remember title or author. Sorry. Chris ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:24:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chris Carr Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters I've just reread my post and spotted something I didn't quite mean to say. Sorry. On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:18:35 -0500, Chris Carr wrote: > >> >>Have there been many LnC stories that have Mary Sue or Harry Sue >>characters in them? I don't seem to have run across any and I've been >>wondering what they're like. > >Yes, in my opinion there are. I can think of a few examples, but don't wish >to 'name and shame'! ;) What I should have said is that no, there aren't many at all, but there have been a few. (I answered the question, have there been *any* LnC stories... Only on rereading did I realise you'd said 'many'. Duh! I really must learn to answer the question set, right?) Chris ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:09:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:48:34 +0200, Hazel wrote: > >Oooh. Them are fighting words, Shadowfax. ;) Lol at your post, Hazel! I would be more than happy to take off the gloves and have a brawl , except that in this case I don't think we have anything to brawl about. > --snip discussion of some of my favorite characters . -- I agree with everything you said about Tolkien and Clark Kent and about perfect characters being too boring. In my post, I had originally meant to mention Tolkien in reference to the impossibly beautiful heroines with unusual talents and appearance, but when I cut down on what was originally a long-winded rant about the MS websites, it made it look like I was saying that Tolkien's protagonists are perfect. My mistake, sorry . Now, about those impossibly beautiful heroines with unusual talents (and if you care to have a brawl about this, I'll be ready to take the gloves off ): I was thinking about Galadriel in LOTR, among others, and the point that I so stupidly did *not* make in my first post is that there is no reason why authors *should not* have such characters. If we didn't have those graceful heroines with unusual hair and eyes and hauntingly lovely singing voices, we would be missing some of the most beautiful creations in fiction. I think that the author of the website that condemned the inclusion of women of unusual talents or appearance in fanfiction is confusing Mary Sue-ism with Romanticism. Granted, a fanfic author who creates a beautiful female character *may* be using the character as a placeholder for herself, but she might just as easily be taking a stab at Romanticism. Likewise the guy who creates a brooding Byronic hero, who is almost a staple in certain kinds of popular fiction anyway. I might question the place of such a fictional character in a fanfiction, because I would suspect that the character is a Mary Sue, but as long as the character doesn't take center stage to the show's main characters, I wouldn't be too quick to condemn the author. I was annoyed with both the websites; I think that the author of the Mary Sue Litmus test is giving advice that's unnecessarily restrictive to authors and I think that the author of 150 Years of Mary Sue went too far by stretching the definition to include fictional characters outside of fanfiction (hence my references to Tolkien and other popular authors.) >>Have there been many LnC stories that have Mary Sue or Harry Sue >>characters in them? > >Not really, no. There have been some likeable original characters, of >course, but there are very few LnC fics where the OC upstages LnC. That's >probably the biggest clue. Are Lois and Clark acting like idiots so that >*your* original character can find the answer? Or, FoLCs forbid, does Clark >fall for your OC instead of Lois? If yes, then put down your mouse now and >turn in your test paper. :) > Yes, Hazel, that is exactly how I would define Mary Sue characters; I don't give a rat's hair about brooding or eye color or unusual names. ;-) Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:50:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I know this is totally OT, but I couldn't resist. My brother forwarded this to me. Actual Court Statements > > > > > These are things people actually said in court, word for > word, > > > taken down and now published by court reporters who had the > > > torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually > > > taking place: > > > > > > Q: What is your date of birth? > > > A: July fifteenth. > > > Q: What year? > > > A: Every year. > > > > > > Q: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact? > > > A: Gucci sweats and Reeboks. > > > > > > Q: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at > all? > > > A: Yes. > > > Q: And in what ways does it affect your memory? > > > A: I forget. > > > Q: You forget. Can you give us an example of something that > > > you've forgotten? > > > > > > Q: How old is your son, the one living with you? > > > A: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can't remember which. > > > Q: How long has he lived with you? > > > A: Forty-five years. > > > > > > Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he > > > woke that morning? > > > A: He said, "Where am I, Cathy?" > > > Q: And why did that upset you? > > > A: My name is Susan. > > > > > > Q: And where was the location of the accident? > > > A: Approximately milepost 499. > > > Q: And where is milepost 499? > > > A: Probably between milepost 498 and 500. > > > > > > Q: Sir, what is your IQ? > > > A: Well, I can see pretty well, I think. > > > > > > Q: Did you blow your horn or anything? > > > A: After the accident? > > > Q: Before the accident. > > > A: Sure, I played for ten years. I even went to school for > it. > > > > > > Q: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in > > > voodoo or the occult? > > > A: We both do. > > > Q: Voodoo? > > > A: We do. > > > Q: You do? > > > A: Yes, voodoo. > > > > > > Q: Trooper, when you stopped the defendant, were your red > and > > > blue lights flashing? > > > A: Yes. > > > Q: Did the defendant say anything when she got out of her > car? > > > A: Yes, sir. > > > Q: What did she say? > > > A: What disco am I at? > > > > > > Q: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his > sleep, he > > > doesn't know about it until the next morning? > > > > > > Q: The youngest son, the twenty-year old, how old is he? > > > > > > Q: Were you present when your picture was taken? > > > > > > Q: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August > eighth? > > > A: Yes. > > > Q: And what were you doing at that time? > > > > > > Q: She had three children, right? > > > A: Yes. > > > Q: How many were boys? > > > A: None. > > > Q: Were there any girls? > > > > > > Q: You say the stairs went down to the basement? > > > A: Yes. > > > Q: And these stairs, did they go up also? > > > > > > Q: How was your first marriage terminated? > > > A: By death. > > > Q: And by whose death was it terminated? > > > > > > Q: Can you describe the individual? > > > A: He was about medium height and had a beard. > > > Q: Was this a male, or a female? > > > > > > Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a > deposition > > > notice which I sent to your attorney? > > > A: No, this is how I dress when I go to work. > > > > > > Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead > > > people? > > > A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. > > > > > > Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you > go > > > to? > > > A: Oral. > > > > > > Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body? > > > A: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m. > > > Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time? > > > A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing > an > > > autopsy. > > > > > > Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample? > > > > > > Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check > for a > > > pulse? > > > A: No. > > > Q: Did you check for blood pressure? > > > A: No. > > > Q: Did you check for breathing? > > > A: No. > > > Q: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when > you > > > began the autopsy? > > > A: No. > > > Q: How can you be so sure, Doctor? > > > A: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar. > > > Q: But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless? > > > A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and > practicing > > > law somewhere. > > Nan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:05:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: TA Merrill Subject: Mary Sue Characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Shadowfax wrote: >Have there been many LnC stories that have Mary Sue or Harry Sue characters in them? Tara Smith wrote a series of Mary Sue stories on purpose to poke fun at the character. They are hilarious. Look in the archive under her name. The descriptions identify which ones are the Mary Sue stories. TerriAnn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:12:21 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nan, thank you for the much needed laugh. This was hysterical. The voodoo one was like something out of Young Frankenstein. LabRat (whose ribs hurt...) > Sorry, I know this is totally OT, but I couldn't resist. My brother > forwarded this to me. > > Actual Court Statements > > > > > > > These are things people actually said in court, word for > > word, > > > > taken down and now published by court reporters who had the > > > > torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually > > > > taking place: > > > > > > > > Q: What is your date of birth? > > > > A: July fifteenth. > > > > Q: What year? > > > > A: Every year. > > > > > > > > Q: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact? > > > > A: Gucci sweats and Reeboks. > > > > > > > > Q: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at > > all? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: And in what ways does it affect your memory? > > > > A: I forget. > > > > Q: You forget. Can you give us an example of something that > > > > you've forgotten? > > > > > > > > Q: How old is your son, the one living with you? > > > > A: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can't remember which. > > > > Q: How long has he lived with you? > > > > A: Forty-five years. > > > > > > > > Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he > > > > woke that morning? > > > > A: He said, "Where am I, Cathy?" > > > > Q: And why did that upset you? > > > > A: My name is Susan. > > > > > > > > Q: And where was the location of the accident? > > > > A: Approximately milepost 499. > > > > Q: And where is milepost 499? > > > > A: Probably between milepost 498 and 500. > > > > > > > > Q: Sir, what is your IQ? > > > > A: Well, I can see pretty well, I think. > > > > > > > > Q: Did you blow your horn or anything? > > > > A: After the accident? > > > > Q: Before the accident. > > > > A: Sure, I played for ten years. I even went to school for > > it. > > > > > > > > Q: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in > > > > voodoo or the occult? > > > > A: We both do. > > > > Q: Voodoo? > > > > A: We do. > > > > Q: You do? > > > > A: Yes, voodoo. > > > > > > > > Q: Trooper, when you stopped the defendant, were your red > > and > > > > blue lights flashing? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: Did the defendant say anything when she got out of her > > car? > > > > A: Yes, sir. > > > > Q: What did she say? > > > > A: What disco am I at? > > > > > > > > Q: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his > > sleep, he > > > > doesn't know about it until the next morning? > > > > > > > > Q: The youngest son, the twenty-year old, how old is he? > > > > > > > > Q: Were you present when your picture was taken? > > > > > > > > Q: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August > > eighth? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: And what were you doing at that time? > > > > > > > > Q: She had three children, right? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: How many were boys? > > > > A: None. > > > > Q: Were there any girls? > > > > > > > > Q: You say the stairs went down to the basement? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: And these stairs, did they go up also? > > > > > > > > Q: How was your first marriage terminated? > > > > A: By death. > > > > Q: And by whose death was it terminated? > > > > > > > > Q: Can you describe the individual? > > > > A: He was about medium height and had a beard. > > > > Q: Was this a male, or a female? > > > > > > > > Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a > > deposition > > > > notice which I sent to your attorney? > > > > A: No, this is how I dress when I go to work. > > > > > > > > Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead > > > > people? > > > > A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. > > > > > > > > Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you > > go > > > > to? > > > > A: Oral. > > > > > > > > Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body? > > > > A: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m. > > > > Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time? > > > > A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing > > an > > > > autopsy. > > > > > > > > Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample? > > > > > > > > Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check > > for a > > > > pulse? > > > > A: No. > > > > Q: Did you check for blood pressure? > > > > A: No. > > > > Q: Did you check for breathing? > > > > A: No. > > > > Q: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when > > you > > > > began the autopsy? > > > > A: No. > > > > Q: How can you be so sure, Doctor? > > > > A: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar. > > > > Q: But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless? > > > > A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and > > practicing > > > > law somewhere. > > > > > Nan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:12:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:18:35 -0500, Chris Carr wrote: > >With my tongue very firmly in my cheek for a moment I want to ask... By the >time I've decided that I *can't* mention hair colour or colour of eyes, the >fact that my hero didn't get on with his father, that he is a gifted __ >(fill in the blank), that he is of heroic character, that my heroine redeems >him through the power of her love, that neither of them can have quirky >personality traits or habits etc... what is there left to write *about*? >Joe Bloggs and Jane Doe do the dishes toghether and squabble over who gets >to wash and who gets to dry? ROTFL! Yes, that, among other things, bothered me when I read the essay. >> there are >noticeably fewer in Lois and Clark fanfiction than is the case elsewhere. I >think the fact that the story revolves around a couple and their developing >romance actually mitigates against the inclusion of Mary Sue characters in >LnC stories. Why put in a new love interest for Clark when we have a >wonderful one already? (Yes, I know it does happen, but it doesn't happen >very often!) > I haven't read *any* LnC stories yet that I would call Mary Sue stories, and I've read a lot of 'em. Many with original characters, sure, but none that annoyed me by having the original creations take over from Lois and Clark - and my main interest *is* in Lois and Clark. However, I'm not sure that an original character would *necessarily* be a Mary Sue even if Clark fell in love with her instead of Lois. (I'm putting on a flak jacket here, because I *know* that hundreds of virtual tomatoes are about to come hurtling my way .) A lot of viewers were unhappy with the way Lois sometimes treated Clark, and if a soft-hearted writer decided to create a love interest for him who was a little easier to live with, I'm not going to say that the character is necessarily representative of the author and therefore a Mary Sue. >my impression >has been for quite a while that characters we fear are / see as being Mary >Sues in fanfic might, in an entirely original story, actually fit in quite >comfortably (always assuming some of the worst excesses of the fanfic Mary >Sue are removed, and the story is well written). I agree and I'll go one further: some characters in fanfic that *are* self- insertions may fit into the fanfic anyway. I think that sometimes we're too quick to condemn original characters as being Mary Sues. I don't object to self-insertion as long as the focus of the story is on Lois and Clark or other characters in the show. (I'm assuming here that next-gen fics are the exception to the rule that Lois and Clark or other main characters from the show should be the focal point.) >I know this has been discussed here before, but Clark was a Gary Sue(is >that the correct expression?) creation, himself. Yet we find him perfectly >acceptable -- and that goes back to my earlier questions. Clark Kent was, >as far as Siegel and Shuster were concerned, an original character. Is he, >therefore, a 'real' Mary Sue? What do you guys think? > If we're to take Pat Pflieger's definition that includes *all* fictional characters, then I think that Superman/Clark Kent is a Mary Sue (Gary Sue, Marty Sue, whatever), as are many of the action/adventure heroes out there and many fictional heroines, especially from books written in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:14:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:05:42 -0700, TA Merrill wrote: > >Tara Smith wrote a series of Mary Sue stories on purpose to poke fun at >the character. They are hilarious. Look in the archive under her name. >The descriptions identify which ones are the Mary Sue stories. > Thanks; I'll go look those up right now. :-) Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:23:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements Likewise, Nan. Given the week a lot of us have been having, this was very welcome. Thanks. Wendy ---------- Wendy Richards wendy@lcfanfic.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:55:51 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: April Sycamore Subject: Funny Superman pic Comments: To: afolcslife@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I thought this first one was so funny, and the second so cute!! Enjoy!!! April _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:07:48 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: April Sycamore Subject: Re: Funny Superman pic Comments: To: afolcslife@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sorry, it didn't work, I'll try again :) >From: April Sycamore >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Funny Superman pic >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:55:51 -0600 > >I thought this first one was so funny, and the second so cute!! Enjoy!!! > >April > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:28:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Funny Superman pic April, the rules of this list prohibit the sending of attachments. As it happens, the list software is now set to remove them, so they won't go through. If your attachment had gone through, you could have had irate emails from people whose mailboxes or ISPs aren't set up for taking large attachments, and who wouldn't be very pleased. I'd suggest that you might want to read the FAQ for this list. You'll find it at http://www.lcfanfic.com/faq_listserv.html - it explains all you need to know about the purpose and rules of the fanfic list. There aren't many, but they're there to ensure that the list runs smoothly and to everyone's benefit. Wendy :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:33:17 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Funny Superman pic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit April, are you trying to post a photo to the list? Or the url where we can find the photo? If the former, posting photos is against the list rules. It's possible that the list is set to automatically delete any attempt to do so and that's why you're having problems. LabRat :) > Sorry, it didn't work, I'll try again :) > > > > > > >From: April Sycamore > >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > > > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > >Subject: Funny Superman pic > >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:55:51 -0600 > > > >I thought this first one was so funny, and the second so cute!! Enjoy!!! > > > >April > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:51:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gerry Anklewicz Subject: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements In-Reply-To: <3B856C9F.C1077160@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ohmygod, I couldn't stop laughing. My husband came downstairs to see if I was all right. Then he read it and he couldn't stop laughing. I couldn't read half of it because I was laughing so hard I was crying and I couldn't keep my eyes open. Thank goodness I didn't pee in my pants. gerry ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:22:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chief Pam Subject: OT: Order in the Court Re: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Dave Barry says, I am *not* making this up ... the following is an actual judge's decision in a case. Don't let the legalese at the beginning turn you off, keep on reading for the most scathing and hilarious piece of work I've seen in a long time. And just for the obligitory L&C moment ... the judge's last name is Kent >>Submitted by Mark R. Levin, president, Landmark Legal Foundation JOHN W. BRADSHAW, Plaintiff, v. UNITY MARINE CORPORATION, INC.; CORONADO, in rem; and PHILLIPS PETROLEUM COMPANY, Defendants. CIVIL ACTION NO. G-00-558 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS, GALVESTON DIVISION 2001 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 8962 June 26, 2001, Decided June 27, 2001, Entered DISPOSITION: Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment GRANTED. COUNSEL: For JOHN W BRADSHAW, plaintiff: Harold Joseph Eisenman, Attorney at Law, Houston, TX. For CORONADO, UNITY MARINE CORPORATION, INC., defendants: Ronald L White, White Mackillop et al, Houston, TX. For PHILLIPS PETROLEUM COMPANY, defendant: Charles Wayne Lyman, Giessel Barker & Lyman, Houston, TX. For UNITY MARINE CORPORATION, INC., cross-claimant: Ronald L White, White Mackillop et al, Houston, TX. For PHILLIPS PETROLEUM COMPANY, cross-defendant: Charles Wayne Lyman, Giessel Barker & Lyman, Houston, TX. JUDGE: SAMUEL B. KENT, UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE. OPINION: ORDER GRANTING DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT Plaintiff brings this action for personal injuries sustained while working aboard the M/V CORONADO. Now before the Court is Defendant Phillips Petroleum Company's ("Phillips") Motion for Summary Judgment. For the reasons set forth below, Defendant's Motion is GRANTED. DISCUSSION Plaintiff John W. Bradshaw claims that he was working as a Jones Act seaman aboard the M/V CORONADO on January 4, 1999. The CORONADO was not at sea on January 4, 1999, but instead sat [*2] docked at a Phillips' facility in Freeport, Texas. Plaintiff alleges that he "sustained injuries to his body in the course and scope of his employment." The injuries are said to have "occurred as a proximate result of the unsafe and unseaworthy condition of the tugboat CORONADO and its appurtenances while docked at the Phillips/Freeport Dock." Plaintiff's First Amended Complaint, which added Phillips as a Defendant, provides no further information about the manner in which he suffered injury. However, by way of his Response to Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment, Plaintiff now avers that "he was forced to climb on a piling or dolphin to leave the vessel at the time he was injured." This, in combination with Plaintiff's Complaint, represents the totality of the information available to the Court respecting the potential liability of Defendant Phillips. Six days after filing his one-page Response, Plaintiff filed a Supplemental Opposition to Phillips Petroleum Company's Motion for Summary Judgment. Although considerably lengthier, the Supplement provides no further illumination of the factual basis for Plaintiff's claims versus Phillips. Defendant now contends, in its Motion for Summary Judgment, that the Texas two-year statute of limitations for personal injury claims bars this action. Plaintiff suffered injury on January 4, 1999 and filed suit in this Court on September 15, 2000. However, Plaintiff did not amend his Complaint to add Defendant Phillips until March 28, 2001, indisputably more than two-years after the date of his alleged injury. Plaintiff now responds that he timely sued Phillips, contending that the three-year federal statute for maritime personal injuries applies to his action. Before proceeding further, the Court notes that this case involves two extremely likable lawyers, who have together delivered some of the most amateurish pleadings ever to cross the hallowed causeway into Galveston, an effort which leads the Court to surmise but one plausible explanation. Both attorneys have obviously entered into a secret pact - complete with hats, handshakes and cryptic words - to draft their pleadings entirely in crayon on the back sides of gravy-stained paper place mats, in the hope that the Court would be so charmed by their child-like efforts that their utter dearth of legal authorities in their briefing would go unnoticed. Whatever actually occurred, the Court is now faced with the daunting task of deciphering their submissions. With Big Chief tablet readied, thick black pencil in hand, and a devil-may-care laugh in the face of death, life on the razor's edge sense of exhilaration, the Court begins. Summary judgment is appropriate if no genuine issue of material fact exists and the moving party is entitled to judgment as a matter of law. When a motion for summary judgment is made, the nonmoving party must set forth specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial. Therefore, when a defendant moves for summary judgment based upon an affirmative defense to the plaintiff's claim, the plaintiff must bear the burden of producing some evidence to create a fact issue some element of defendant's asserted affirmative defense. Defendant begins the descent into Alice's Wonderland by submitting a Motion that relies upon only one legal authority. The Motion cites a Fifth Circuit case which stands for the whopping proposition that a federal court sitting in Texas applies the Texas statutes of limitations to certain state and federal law claims. That is all well and good - the Court is quite fond of the Erie doctrine; indeed there is talk of little else around both the Canal and this Court's water cooler. Defendant, however, does not even cite to Erie, but to a mere successor case, and further fails to even begin to analyze why the Court should approach the shores of Erie. Finally, Defendant does not even provide a cite to its desired Texas limitation statute. A more bumbling approach is difficult to conceive - but wait folks. There's More! Defendant submitted a Reply brief, on June 11, 2001, after the Court had already drafted, but not finalized, this Order. In a regretful effort to be thorough, the Court reviewed this submission. It too fails to cite to either the Texas statute of limitations or any Fifth Circuit cases discussing maritime law liability for Plaintiff's claims versus Phillips. Plaintiff responds to this deft, yet minimalist analytical wizardry with an equally gossamer wisp of an argument, although Plaintiff does at least cite the federal limitations provision applicable to maritime tort claims. Naturally, Plaintiff also neglects to provide any analysis whatsoever of why his claim versus Defendant Phillips is a maritime action. Instead, Plaintiff "cites" to a single case from the Fourth Circuit. Plaintiff's citation, however, points to a nonexistent Volume "1886" of the Federal Reporter Third Edition and neglects to provide a pinpoint citation for what, after being located, turned out to be a forty-page decision. Ultimately, to the Court's dismay after reviewing the opinion, it stands simply for the bombshell proposition that torts committed on navigable waters (in this case an alleged defamation committed by the controversial G. Gordon Liddy aboard a cruise ship at sea) require the application of general maritime rather than state tort law. See Wells v. Liddy, 186 F.3d 505, 524 (4th Cir. 1999) (What the ..)?! The Court cannot even begin to comprehend why this case was selected for reference. It is almost as if Plaintiff's counsel chose the opinion by throwing long range darts at the Federal Reporter (remarkably enough hitting a nonexistent volume!). And though the Court often gives great heed to dicta from courts as far flung as those of Manitoba, it finds this case unpersuasive. There is nothing in Plaintiff's cited case about ingress or egress between a vessel and a dock, although counsel must have been thinking that Mr. Liddy must have had both ingress and egress from the cruise ship at some docking facility, before uttering his fateful words. Further, as noted above, Plaintiff has submitted a Supplemental Opposition to Defendant's Motion. This Supplement is longer than Plaintiff's purported Response, cites more cases, several constituting binding authority from either the Fifth Circuit or the Supreme Court, and actually includes attachments which purport to be evidence. However, this is all that can be said positively for Plaintiff's Supplement, which does nothing to explain why, on the facts of this case, Plaintiff has an admiralty claim against Phillips (which probably makes some sense because Plaintiff doesn't). Plaintiff seems to rely on the fact that he has pled Rule 9(h) and stated an admiralty claim versus the vessel and his employer to demonstrate that maritime law applies to Phillips. This bootstrapping argument does not work; Plaintiff must properly invoke admiralty law versus each Defendant discretely. Despite the continued shortcomings of Plaintiff's supplemental submission, the Court commends Plaintiff for his vastly improved choice of crayon - Brick Red is much easier on the eyes than Goldenrod, and stands out much better amidst the mustard splotched about Plaintiff's briefing. But at the end of the day, even if you put a calico dress on it and call it Florence, a pig is still a pig. Now, alas, the Court must return to grownup land. As vaguely alluded to by the parties, the issue in this case turns upon which law - state or maritime - applies to each of Plaintiff's potential claims versus Defendant Phillips. And despite Plaintiff's and Defendant's joint, heroic efforts to obscure it, the answer to this question is readily ascertained. The Fifth Circuit has held that "absent a maritime status between the parties, a dock owner's duty to crew members of a vessel using thedock is defined by the application of state law, not maritime law. Specifically, maritime law does not impose a duty on the dock owner to provide a means of safe ingress or egress. Therefore, because maritime law does not create a duty on the part of Defendant Phillips vis-a-vis Plaintiff, any claim Plaintiff does have versus Phillips must necessarily arise under state law. Take heed and be suitably awed, oh boys and girls - the Court was able to state the issue and its resolution in one paragraph ... despite dozens of pages of gibberish from the parties to the contrary! The Court, therefore ... applies the Texas statute of limitations. Texas has adopted a two-year statute of limitations for personal injury cases. Plaintiff failed to file his action versus Defendant Phillips within that two-year time frame. Plaintiff has offered no justification, such as the discovery rule or other similar tolling doctrines, for this failure. Accordingly, Plaintiff's claims versus Defendant Phillips were not timely filed and are barred. Defendant Phillips' Motion for Summary Judgment is GRANTED and Plaintiff's state law claims against Defendant Phillips are hereby DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE. A Final Judgment reflecting such will be entered in due course. CONCLUSION After this remarkably long walk on a short legal pier, having received no useful guidance whatever from either party, the Court has endeavored, primarily based upon its affection for both counsel, but also out of its own sense of morbid curiosity, to resolve what it perceived to be the legal issue presented. Despite the waste of perfectly good crayon seen in both parties' briefing (and the inexplicable odor of wet dog emanating from such) the Court believes it has satisfactorily resolved this matter. Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment is GRANTED. At this juncture, Plaintiff retains, albeit seemingly to his befuddlement and/or consternation, a maritime law cause of action versus his alleged Jones Act employer, Defendant Unity Marine Corporation, Inc. However, it is well known around these parts that Unity Marine's lawyer is equally likable and has been writing crisply in ink since the second grade. Some old-timers even spin yarns of an ability to type. The Court cannot speak to the veracity of such loose talk, but out of caution, the Court suggests that Plaintiff's lovable counsel had best upgrade to a nice shiny No. 2 pencil or at least sharpen what's left of the stubs of his crayons for what remains of this heart-stopping, spine-tingling action. In either case, the Court cautions Plaintiff's counsel not to run with a sharpened writing utensil in hand - he could put his eye out. IT IS SO ORDERED. DONE this 26th day of June, 2001, at Galveston, Texas. SAMUEL B. KENT UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE Carolyn J. Stevens Post Office Box 999 Lolo, MT 59847-0999 << Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / ChiefPam@nc.rr.com http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam **note new address** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:15:57 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is hysterical. thank you merry Nancy Smith wrote: > Sorry, I know this is totally OT, but I couldn't resist. My brother > forwarded this to me. > > Actual Court Statements > > > > > > > These are things people actually said in court, word for > > word, > > > > taken down and now published by court reporters who had the > > > > torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually > > > > taking place: > > > > > > > > Q: What is your date of birth? > > > > A: July fifteenth. > > > > Q: What year? > > > > A: Every year. > > > > > > > > Q: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact? > > > > A: Gucci sweats and Reeboks. > > > > > > > > Q: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at > > all? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: And in what ways does it affect your memory? > > > > A: I forget. > > > > Q: You forget. Can you give us an example of something that > > > > you've forgotten? > > > > > > > > Q: How old is your son, the one living with you? > > > > A: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can't remember which. > > > > Q: How long has he lived with you? > > > > A: Forty-five years. > > > > > > > > Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he > > > > woke that morning? > > > > A: He said, "Where am I, Cathy?" > > > > Q: And why did that upset you? > > > > A: My name is Susan. > > > > > > > > Q: And where was the location of the accident? > > > > A: Approximately milepost 499. > > > > Q: And where is milepost 499? > > > > A: Probably between milepost 498 and 500. > > > > > > > > Q: Sir, what is your IQ? > > > > A: Well, I can see pretty well, I think. > > > > > > > > Q: Did you blow your horn or anything? > > > > A: After the accident? > > > > Q: Before the accident. > > > > A: Sure, I played for ten years. I even went to school for > > it. > > > > > > > > Q: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in > > > > voodoo or the occult? > > > > A: We both do. > > > > Q: Voodoo? > > > > A: We do. > > > > Q: You do? > > > > A: Yes, voodoo. > > > > > > > > Q: Trooper, when you stopped the defendant, were your red > > and > > > > blue lights flashing? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: Did the defendant say anything when she got out of her > > car? > > > > A: Yes, sir. > > > > Q: What did she say? > > > > A: What disco am I at? > > > > > > > > Q: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his > > sleep, he > > > > doesn't know about it until the next morning? > > > > > > > > Q: The youngest son, the twenty-year old, how old is he? > > > > > > > > Q: Were you present when your picture was taken? > > > > > > > > Q: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August > > eighth? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: And what were you doing at that time? > > > > > > > > Q: She had three children, right? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: How many were boys? > > > > A: None. > > > > Q: Were there any girls? > > > > > > > > Q: You say the stairs went down to the basement? > > > > A: Yes. > > > > Q: And these stairs, did they go up also? > > > > > > > > Q: How was your first marriage terminated? > > > > A: By death. > > > > Q: And by whose death was it terminated? > > > > > > > > Q: Can you describe the individual? > > > > A: He was about medium height and had a beard. > > > > Q: Was this a male, or a female? > > > > > > > > Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a > > deposition > > > > notice which I sent to your attorney? > > > > A: No, this is how I dress when I go to work. > > > > > > > > Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead > > > > people? > > > > A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. > > > > > > > > Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you > > go > > > > to? > > > > A: Oral. > > > > > > > > Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body? > > > > A: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m. > > > > Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time? > > > > A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing > > an > > > > autopsy. > > > > > > > > Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample? > > > > > > > > Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check > > for a > > > > pulse? > > > > A: No. > > > > Q: Did you check for blood pressure? > > > > A: No. > > > > Q: Did you check for breathing? > > > > A: No. > > > > Q: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when > > you > > > > began the autopsy? > > > > A: No. > > > > Q: How can you be so sure, Doctor? > > > > A: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar. > > > > Q: But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless? > > > > A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and > > practicing > > > > law somewhere. > > > > > Nan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:22:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of these seem like things Lois would say to a moronic prosecutor or something! > > > > Q: And where was the location of the accident? > > > > A: Approximately milepost 499. > > > > Q: And where is milepost 499? > > > > A: Probably between milepost 498 and 500. > > > > Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you > > go > > > > to? > > > > A: Oral. Thanks! CM ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:34:16 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: April Sycamore Subject: Re: Funny Superman pic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sorry, I have read the rules but it has been a while and I forgot. Forgive me, I never meant to make anyone mad. April >From: Wendy Richards >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: Funny Superman pic >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:28:45 -0500 > >April, the rules of this list prohibit the sending of attachments. As it >happens, the list software is now set to remove them, so they won't go >through. If your attachment had gone through, you could have had irate >emails from people whose mailboxes or ISPs aren't set up for taking large >attachments, and who wouldn't be very pleased. > >I'd suggest that you might want to read the FAQ for this list. You'll find >it at http://www.lcfanfic.com/faq_listserv.html - it explains all you need >to know about the purpose and rules of the fanfic list. There aren't many, >but they're there to ensure that the list runs smoothly and to everyone's >benefit. > > >Wendy :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:42:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shayne T Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters Not every original character is a Mary Sue. Some are fully realized people, with flaws and weaknesses, and perhaps even the occasional odd strength. They contribute to a story, making the main characters look better. Like the bit actors in a play, they support the main players. I believe it's possible to have Mary Sue characters outside of fanfic. I believe that professional editors tend to reduce the inclusion of such to a certain degree, but many of the great mythic fictional characters of the late 19th and early 20th century could fit the definition. However, they had the advantage that they were the central characters of their own story. They weren't supporting actors attempting to steal the scene. Tarzan fit the mold, as did Superman, Doc Savage and many others. Sherlock Holmes, despite his cocaine addiction would also fit. Batman, and many of the early comic book characters could fit as well. In the beginning, character took second place to the action. The heros were perfect, the villains were diabolical and the heroines were (mostly) helpless. I think that Mary Sues are simply more visible in fanfiction than they are in original or professional work. Fan fiction is almost by definition about the characters from a show (or book, film, whatever). Mary Sues make themselves obvious by drawing the attention away from the main players and onto themselves. When Tarzan kills a lion singlehanded with a knife, when MacGuyver builds a space shuttle out of spare papar clips, a pair of firestone tires and duct tape, when superman lifts an asteroid the size of a mountain, we cheer. When some unknown character performs the feats of all of them, and easier than the original character did, we jeer. The Mary Sue never pays a cost for their success. The flawlessness of Mary Sue characters makes them inhuman. We're more interested in Clark Kent than we are in Superman because he has flaws. Most characters who might seem to be Mary Sues in fiction have flaws and human foibles, or they have developed them over the years. Mary Sues stick out in fanfiction like hunters wearing orange jackets in the bush. Furthermore, they are far more common in fanfic than they are in the professional world. Luckily, they are rare in Lois and Clark fic. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:08:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: OT: Order in the Court Re: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements That was a long read, Pam, but well worth it. Why do I think I'd like this judge? He'd be a great character in a fanfic. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:37:27 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Phillip Atcliffe Subject: NEW: Imbalance Part 22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII ["The moving finger writes and, having writ, moves on..." Somehow, I doubt that, when composing the Rubbiyat, Omar Khayyam had in mind the kind of writing with which Lane and Kent have revealed the existence of Superman to the world. Nor are our favourite reporters going to be allowed to "move on" quite so easily -- not with a sensation-hungry public eager to learn more about the guy in the suit. And then there are those who have their own fish to fry with respect to the Man of Steel -- like certain people mentioned below. Now read on:] ***** The next morning began normally enough for Lois -- normal since Kent had appeared, anyway -- but what happened once the two reporters arrived at work was unusual, to say the least. After a delicious breakfast in Centennial Park -- genuine dim sum, straight from Hong Kong -- the pair had strolled to the office, pausing at the Java for coffee and what had become ritual banter about their respective preferences in whiteners and sweeteners. Lois always had the low-fat, sugar-free option, whereas Clark seemed to delight in flaunting his love of full-fat cream and lots of sugar. Lois, as usual, predicted that he was destined to put on a lot of weight and die of heart disease -- or should, if there was any justice in the world, which she doubted. When he laughed, she grumbled that it was grossly unfair for him to be able to drink that stuff and not have to pay for it. Clark said nothing, reflecting that she would have thought his counterpart in the other Lois' universe to be even worse, what with his taste for junk food and all. *He* couldn't understand how the guy could stand to eat it, but that was his problem; Clark's only vice that way was his coffee, and that was enough, it seemed, to annoy Lois. Still, at least she was content to grouch at him about it; there was no real venom in her complaints, just resigned disgust at the inequity of the situation. He was, as always, very careful when he replied; it was achievement enough to have Lois joking with him, and he certainly didn't want to offend her by, say, puffing himself up, or, worse, criticising her -- and *especially* not by making any form of comment about her figure! Instead, he gently teased her about how she enjoyed depriving herself so that "Mad Dog Lane" would stay lean and hungry; this allowed her to triumphantly claim that *that* was why she was the best reporter the Planet had, and they both grinned and entered the building on that companionable note. Their contentment lasted until they were about five paces into the newsroom, at which point they stopped dead in their tracks, and it was only by the grace of excellent reflexes that they avoided spilling their coffee! There was a sizeable reception committee waiting for them, including Perry White, Franklin Stern (the owner and publisher of the Planet), and several people whom Clark didn't recognise, but Lois did -- members of the paper's board of directors! When the group caught sight of the pair, they burst into applause, which was echoed by most of the other newsroom staff; a few, like Jimmy, added their own embellishments -- loud, enthusiastic whistles, mostly. Lois and Clark looked at each other, and then back at the applauding throng. Lois frowned slightly, and Perry hurried over to her. "Lois, Kent, Mr Stern and the Board wanted to congratulate you both on your work yesterday." He leaned a little closer and whispered, "Sorry about this, Lois, but Stern insisted..." Clark, safely behind Lois, smiled slightly on hearing this; she was less happy, but did her best to present an unruffled demeanour as Stern joined them. "Ms Lane, Mr Kent, I know this is unusual..." he announced, "but then, the sales of the Daily Planet yesterday and this morning, and the stories that produced those sales, were no less unusual. You may not be aware of this, but the evening edition yesterday had to be reprinted *three times*, and each print run sold out almost as fast as we could ship the papers. Demand this morning has skyrocketed, too; everyone in Metropolis, not to mention everywhere else in the world where the International Edition is distributed, wants to read about this Superman -- and, thanks to you, the Planet is the only place they can look! "I would be very interested to know how you managed to find this man and get an interview with him so quickly, but I won't ask you to divulge professional secrets. Just know that the Board of Directors are more than appreciative of your excellent work..." Being quite tall, he then bent down slightly to murmur to Lois, "...and, rest assured, our 'appreciation' will take more substantial form, come Christmas bonus time." Stern then straightened and turned to Clark and shook his hand. "Mr Kent, I've been talking to Perry, and we both agree that your trial period here has been brought to an end. Assuming you're agreeable, you start today as a permanent member of staff -- and, I hope, as Ms Lane's regular partner, because we want more scoops like this from 'Lane and Kent'. Welcome to the Daily Planet!" Clark began to blush and stammer his thanks. Lois kept a perfect reporter's poker face, but inside, she was amused that the great Superman could be so embarrassed by praise from his boss. She also found it odd; surely he must be used to this sort of thing, if what he'd told her about his past experience, both as a reporter and in the suit, was at all true. Which rather indicated that, as she'd thought -- feared? -- from the first, he'd lied to her. 'But that doesn't make sense,' that aggravating little voice piped up. 'You have yet to catch the guy in a lie about *anything!* As far as you know, he's been perfectly straight with you about everything. He hasn't *really* tried to duck a single question that you've asked him. If there's something he hasn't wanted you to know, he's *told* you that, and why, *and* that he'll answer all your questions in time. Don't let your paranoia make you see lies where there aren't any.' That was unanswerable, as were so many questions about Kent. Lois frowned slightly in frustration, just in time to hear her name and realise that Clark was talking about her. "...and I hope that Lois and I will continue to be a team for a long time -- for the foreseeable future, in fact." He paused and looked at her, and must have seen the frown, because he hastened to add, "Always assuming that she's still prepared to work with me, that is. Okay, partner?" "Okay," she said, more or less by reflex, because her mind was racing, set into motion by what he'd just said. She wanted to think about this, but realised that she had been asked a question -- and, if the concerned expression on Kent's face was any indication, he was anxiously awaiting her response -- and needed to make a better answer than simple agreement. "Yeah, I guess you can stick around for a while, Kent," she replied wryly, but with an undertone of humour in her voice which was intended to reassure him -- and did. "Provided you remember just which one of us is top banana in this partnership. Comprende?" She was watching him closely to see how he'd react to that, and caught an answering gleam in his eyes -- but then it died, to be replaced by something that looked very like alarm. That, in turn, vanished, and the humour reappeared. All that happened in a very few seconds, and she wondered what was going on in his head, but that train of thought was derailed when he lifted both arms and performed a mock salaam in her direction, at the same time saying -- or was it *intoning*? -- in a deep voice with just a trace of accent, "I hear and understand, O most glorious lady, Light of the World, Definer of the Truth, Defender of the..." What she was the defender of was lost in the shout of laughter that went up from the watching crowd. Lois, at first taken aback, figured that the best way to react and maintain her dignity was to accept this malarkey as though it was her due, and so she waited until the guffaws died down before adding her own two cents: "Just so long as you know your place, Junior. By the way, I didn't hear the word 'obey' in there..." To her relief, his instant reply was as light as she had intended her own comment to be; no way was she going to discuss any *real* issues that might relate to their partnership out in the open! "Yeah, well, that's because I try never to commit myself to something that I know isn't going to happen..." And then his voice, and his face, became unmistakably serious. "...any more than I would expect *you* to obey *me* unquestioningly. That's not what partners do." Their gazes met... and Lois felt the world start to fade. 'Oh, God... how does he *do* this...?' she thought feebly. Once again, his eyes were penetrating her very soul, and it was taking every bit of self-control she could muster to stop herself from reacting to it. It was as though he could see everything in her mind as easily as she imagined he could see every part of her body - *if* he ever chose to look. The odd thing about it, though, was that she didn't feel violated by this -- just *open* to him. Why this didn't frighten her, she didn't know... until she realised that, this time, it felt as though she could see into him, too. His eyes looked the as same as ever -- warm, friendly, that shade of brown that always made her think of the very best chocolate -- and yet, somehow it felt as though there was light shining through them; a light that illuminated them both, revealing the truth of each one to the other. And what that light showed was not frightening, but *incredible*... and *that* was scary! Despite that, she *wasn't* scared, and it seemed that the reason for that was that there was nothing to truly be scared of -- nothing in him, and nothing in her -- and so, he wasn't scared and neither was she. Her fears were outside her, and thus had no power over her here and now -- not while the two of them were... joined somehow in this moment. 'No, not joined... *connected*.' There was some kind of connection between them, something deep and strong. It linked them and let them see each other in a way that was unlike anything Lois had ever known, or even thought possible. 'What *is* this?' she wondered, awestruck... and then the light diminished and the connection between them ebbed -- but didn't break, didn't die, just lessened in strength until it was no more than the merest feeling in the background of... of everything that made up Lois Lane. She found herself back in the newsroom with the echoes of what the man in front of her had just said -- the words that had begun that startling moment of clarity -- still hanging in the air. "No..." she murmured, almost too softly for even Clark to hear. "No," she said more loudly, "that's not what partners do..." Perry took the opportunity to break in; acknowledging the great work these two had done yesterday was all very well, but he had a newsroom to run. "You're both right," he interjected firmly, "What partners do at the Daily Planet is write me more stories -- like, say, follow-ups?" He turned to address the rest of the avidly-watching staffers. "And that goes for the rest of you, too! Back to work -- we got a paper to get out today!" The newsroom inhabitants scattered, recognising *that* tone in the editor's voice. The suits from Upstairs made the appropriate noises, shook hands with whomever they felt worthy of their notice -- which, that morning, mostly meant Lois and Clark -- and also took their leave. Which left the recipients of all that attention as no longer the focus of all eyes, but instead, mere obstructions in the near-chaos that was the normal running of the bullpen. They retired to their desks and flopped into the chairs. Their coffee was lukewarm by now, but heat vision took care of that, and they settled back to enjoy it before starting work -- and also to regain their bearings after the stunning moment that they had shared. "Does this kind of thing happen every time someone gets a major scoop? I wasn't expecting anything like this!" Clark muttered, sounding rather shell-shocked. "Not hardly," Lois replied dryly. "I've never known anything like it." She glanced around; no-one was close enough to over-hear, so she quipped, "That's what you get for being such a big story, oh 'Flying Wonder.'" Clark groaned and hid his head in his hands for a second. "Oh, please, Lois," he muttered as he looked up to meet her sardonic gaze, "I was *not* responsible for that sub-head." To his surprise, she merely smiled, enjoying his discomfort but not wanting to add to it. "I know; I didn't write the 'Saviour' bit, either. Sub-editors!" She shook her head in mock disgust. "Can't shoot 'em, can't force-feed 'em a thesaurus..." Clark grinned in response, and they both turned their attention to the day's work. But before they could really get started, Jimmy came over to gush his thanks to Lois for giving him the chance to take the incredible pictures that featured on half-a-dozen pages of that much-reprinted edition of the Planet. Apparently, Mr Stern had taken him aside earlier and expressed the Board's gratitude for *his* work -- just not as publicly as he had done with Lois and Clark. The young man had been on Cloud Nine... until Perry had brought him down to earth with a thud by giving him a whole pile of research to do for Ralph! Lois and Clark's arrival had delayed that chore, but now he had to get down to it... Once she'd managed to get rid of Jimmy, Lois tried a second time to settle to her own work, but she wondered just how much she was going to get done that day -- between Clark's comments about wanting to be her partner and the unbelievable connection that seemed to have formed between them, she had a heck of a lot to think about! ***** Elsewhere in the city, certain people were less happy. A case in point was the staff of the Church mansion, all of whom were doing their level best to be anywhere other than around the Churches, all of whom were icily furious -- mostly at one another, but there was more than enough of their displeasure available to spill over onto any luckless "bystander" in the wrong place at the wrong time. The arguments had begun at breakfast, when the family had read their respective copies of the Daily Planet. The sound-proofing in the breakfast room was excellent (although not *quite* up to the task of completely muffling the shouting), so only the butler, who'd been in and out during the worst of the fighting, knew exactly what it was about -- and everyone knew better than to ask *him!* Shortly thereafter, Young Mr Church had stormed out of the room, slamming the door behind him. Mr and Mrs Church were still in there, and no-one, not even the butler, was fool enough to enter without being summoned. If the maids couldn't clear away the breakfast things until one minute before lunch, then that was the way the family wanted it; and there was plenty of spare crockery and cutlery in the kitchen, anyway. Inside the breakfast room, it was a toss-up as to which of the senior Churches (although you called *Mrs* Church "senior" at your most severe peril) had the sourest face; their voices, now at a more conversational level, were equally unpleasant, but the choice between them was somewhat easier -- Mindy's complaining whine tended to grate on the ear rather more than Bill's irritable baritone. "I still don't believe it!" Mindy griped. "It's gotta be a trick, or a set-up, or... *something!* Do they really expect us to believe that this guy pops out of a flying saucer just in time to catch a 747 and grab St John and his goons?" This wasn't the first time that morning that she'd said something along similar lines, but Church was paternally forbearing with his wife -- which was more than he'd been with his son! "I think they're on the level, honey -- at least as far as what happened with the plane. There's too much evidence for it all to be faked. Even if we ignore the papers, there's still the camcorder footage that WMET got from that tourist, all the eyewitness reports that the TV news showed... and you know darn well that we had Snell up on the roof, so we've got our *own* eyewitness and tape of the whole affair! And what he says he saw, and what his tape shows, matches perfectly with all the news coverage. "No, I don't know anything about this guy being from another planet, but I'm more concerned with what he can do! Unless we can come up with evidence that there was someone or something else involved, we have to assume that this guy can do what everybody is saying he can do! And we need to take care of him, so he doesn't interfere with any more of our plans!" "How do we 'take care' of someone like that? For that matter, how do we *find* the guy? The only person who's really met him is Lois Lane, and *she's* hardly going to introduce us to him! And do we even *want* to take care of him? With what he can do, wouldn't *recruiting* him be a better idea?" "Yeah, if he's prepared to be recruited. I have my doubts about that. Remember St John's first fiasco, at the theme park? Will couldn't work out how Ms Lane had escaped from the ride; well, it strikes me that, if this guy can lift an *airplane*, it'd be easy for him to grab a roller-coaster car!" "You're right..." The... discussion... continued for some time, but basically went nowhere. There were too many questions about this incredible man, and the only person who might have the answers was the very woman who'd been rescued by him at least once, and maybe twice, from St John's traps. Finally, Mindy had had enough. "Bill, let's get back to basics here. We want Lane out of the way, but we don't want her death traced to us, right? Especially not with this 'Superman' around. We need someone else to kill her -- but not some mercenary like St John, who's only in it for the money. "What we need is somebody with their own motivation, *and* someone with some serious firepower to take care of both Lane and this guy..." She waved a languid hand in the direction of the copy of the Planet lying in front of her husband. "Now, I know someone like that who would *really* like to see Lane dead, and has the guts and brains to do it, and so do you; we used to do enough business with him. Why don't we turn Lex Luthor loose on Lane? Let him do the dirty work -- with our backing -- and everyone's happy." "You know, Mindy," Church said reflectively, sitting back in his chair, "There are times, when you're doing your airhead impression, when even I wonder why I married you -- but then you turn it off and come up with an idea like this, and I remember that your mind is as spectacular as your body -- which is saying a lot. You're absolutely right; Luthor is a perfect choice." He leaned over to kiss her, smiling, before saying, with more than a hint of unpleasant amusement in his eyes and voice, "Now, let's tell Will!" Mindy raised her delicately pencilled brows at that, and Church chuckled. "Be fair, Mindy. Will may need to grow up a little if he's going to take over when we retire, but he can handle the routine stuff. St John was a reasonable enough choice to kill Ms Lane, and you have to admit that the man was ingenious; it's not his fault that this... flying freak turned up to wreck everything. Will can organise springing Luthor -- with our supervision, of course -- and I think we can even let him plan the disposal of St John; he was the man's contact, and there's nothing like the need to protect yourself to inspire care and thoroughness in something like that... " Mindy had her own views on Will's ability, but said nothing. Church, taking her silence as assent, pulled the bell to summon the butler, who would, in turn, summon Will to receive his new... assignments. ***** [Oh, dear. Poor Nigel, methinks. Sounds like his goose is cooked. Nor, to continue the cooking metaphor (for a second course? ) is all the fish-frying done yet. There's at least one other player in the game who will find the news about Superman very interesting indeed. To find out what he or she decides to do about it... you'll have to wait until next time.] Phil ---- "We gotta get out into Space / If it's the last thing we ever do!" -- Return to the Forbidden Planet A sentiment echoed by Phil Atcliffe (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:13:03 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ursula Bento Subject: Re: OT: Order in the Court Re: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is so weird .... Samuel... Kent...Wells...Lolo...?? Even Lois' father's first name?? I have a friend who is a District Attorney. I copied the text (not the list address of course!) and sent it on to him. As I did with the other court jokes of Nancy Smith. Can't wait to receive his reaction! Thanks Pam, and Nancy too, hard to believe people really are that dumb. Maybe it's just nerves, being in a courtroom and all. But that wouldn't apply to the procecutors and judges. The questions are mind boggling. I read Nancy's jokes in the middle of the night so I had to stifle my giggles. Wouldn't do to wake up the entire neighbourhood! Thanks for a few thorougly entertaining moments. Ursie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 06:13:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: OT: Order in the Court Re: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pam, thank you for posting this! What a treat! I think my favourite part was when the judge complimented one of the lawyers on his choice of crayon colour! Due to this, and Nan's list of actual court testimony, I've laughed harder this week than I have in a long time. Thanks again - both to you and Nan. Irene ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:28:07 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: OT: Order in the Court Re: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pam, I remember you sharing this with me on #lanekent a few weeks back and almost needing rib surgery when I was through. Glad you shared it with the list. I really like this guy. LabRat :) > Pam, thank you for posting this! What a treat! > > I think my favourite part was when the judge > complimented one of the lawyers on his choice of > crayon colour! > > Due to this, and Nan's list of actual court testimony, > I've laughed harder this week than I have in a long > time. > > Thanks again - both to you and Nan. > > Irene > > ===== > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:01:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: NEW: Imbalance Part 22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit YEAH! More Imbalance! Anyway - Lois *of course* there's a connection between you and Clark - well, duh! Can't wait to see what else they come up with! Poor Nigel? Can't quite make that leap! CM (Who was very glad to see Mr. Stern - because she loves James Earl Jones!) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:42:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" As I think I've mentioned before, Donny's morning feeding often coincides with TNT's airing of Lois & Clark, so I've been able to watch episodes again for the first time in quite awhile. I've really been enjoying watching in "real time". Another fun thing is that my six year old daughter has been getting up around 7 am, also, and she's been coming down to watch L&C with me. It's been really fun to get her impressions of things, answer her questions and see what she understands and doesn't. Today's episode was "The Source". Now *I* enjoyed today's episode because I had set my fanfic "The One That Got Away" directly following it, and I was watching L&C's interaction to reassure myself that I had gotten the characterization right. I remember one person, in commenting on my fic, had mentioned that they didn't think L&C would be so comfortable with each other at this point in the series. (I had them engaging in a lot of playful banter at the beginning of the fic, as well as feeling quite comfortable touching each other to give comfort or in friendly affection.) In watching today, however, I am happy to say that I still believe I got the characterization right -- there was a ton of "best friends" interaction here. Playful teasing (Lois at the end deliberately exaggerating her end of a phone conversation to make Clark think she was on a hot story instead of getting her apartment fumigated ), lots of happy grinning at each other, affectionate touching on both their parts (Lois giving Clark the "chest touch", Clark giving Lois an affectionate shoulder squeeze), and each of them emphasizing that they were partners. In addition, Lois's wistful "I'll miss you" after Clark heads off with another reporter while she's on suspension wasn't self-conscious at all, very different from her jealousy of other women in season one. Gee, now I want to go re-read my story. My daughter, however, was watching this episode for the first time, and she seemed to enjoy it also. She was particularly amused by Superman use of super-hearing and x-ray vision (I think she likes the blue sparkles and red beams ), and laughed when Jonathon almost called Clark by name when he rescued them as Superman. ("Of course they know who he is -- they're his parents!") Her funniest observation, however, was when Lois and Clark came back to find Martha and Jonathan drugged, and Stuart missing. After quizzing me about what exactly was in Clark's bed ("it's supposed to be blood, to look like there was a fight"), she sighed and said ... "I guess Clark really needs to wash his sheets tonight before bed." Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:48:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters >Tara Smith wrote a series of Mary Sue stories on purpose to poke fun at >the character. They are hilarious. Look in the archive under her name. >The descriptions identify which ones are the Mary Sue stories. >TerriAnn I just read Tara's well-written stories and enjoyed them very much. :-) I found the talented author's Maggie character to be likeable, interesting and charming in her own right. As for Writer's Block and Threads of Barbeque - the stories were hilarious! I was ROTFL at this part: << She was tall and slender, with the best figure anyone in the room had seen outside of a comic book. >> LOL! And I loved it when Mary Sue appeared in Threads of Barbecue. :-D Thanks for mentioning these stories, Terri Ann! :) On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:42:26 -0500, Shayne T wrote: > >Mary Sues make themselves obvious by drawing the attention away from the >main players and onto themselves. When Tarzan kills a lion singlehanded >with a knife, when MacGuyver builds a space shuttle out of spare papar >clips, a pair of firestone tires and duct tape, when superman lifts an >asteroid the size of a mountain, we cheer. > >When some unknown character performs the feats of all of them, and easier >than the original character did, we jeer. The Mary Sue never pays a cost >for their success. This is one of the things that irked me about the articles on Mary Sue characters. When Pflieger mentioned the feats of a Star Trek Mary Sue character who was being quite creative in finding a way out of the situation she found herself in, I wondered how that was any different than Perry White making a weapon out of a lamp, or Superman using a cummerbund (sp?) to retrieve a key. > >The flawlessness of Mary Sue characters makes them inhuman. We're more >interested in Clark Kent than we are in Superman because he has flaws. Yes, this ties in with what Hazel was saying about perfect characters not being much fun. I agree completely; I was initially drawn to L&CTNAOS because the characters were "real" people. I confess that I don't have much interest in watching Macho Man go around beating up bad guys, but I do enjoy watching a very human Clark Kent wrestle with some of the same kinds of problems that most of us have to deal with every day (and a few *special* problems, besides ). Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:02:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Valley of the Shadow, 13/17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay - here's the next part! On to see what Perry has up his sleeve! Comments appreciated! CM ***** >From part 12: Lucy smiled at the older man. "Now, Mr. White, I don't know you very well, but I know you didn't become editor of a major metropolitan newspaper because you could yodel. If the three of us put our heads together, I bet we could come up with a way to at least make them talk. And we all have seen the sparks that fly when those two are in a room together. If we could just get them alone, in a place where they wouldn't be interrupted and they couldn't leave..." A sudden smile lit up Perry's face. "I think I've got just the thing. It'll take some work by all of us, but I think we can pull it off." He lowered his voice as he outlined his plan. ***** Part 13: "But, Chief..." Clark used his best whine, knowing it would get him nowhere, but knowing he had to try. "No buts, Kent. This afternoon's game should be over by 4 or so and you don't have another one for 48 hours. I want my investigative reporter back in the meantime." "Chief..." "This isn't a democracy, Clark. Immediately following the game, you check into the honeymoon suite at the Hilton. Everything you need for surveillance will be there, so there will be no excuse when you don't get the story." Clark hung his head just a little. He was Superman, for crying out loud, and he couldn't find the nerve to say 'no' to the man sitting in front of him. He tried one more time. "But, Chief, you don't understand. The Hilton is where Lois and I..." Perry looked up from the papers on his desk, one eyebrow raised. "Oh, I'm sorry." Clark looked momentarily relieved. "I was under the impression you were a professional. If I was wrong, I'll be happy to find someone else to do your job." "No, Chief, it's not that. I *am* a professional, but..." "Well, I've put up with you working the baseball beat and helped you find a new apartment. Now, it's been over two months since you and Lois became estranged. You both are getting on with your lives. Get over it." Perry went back to the work on his desk. "Be there. Or else." Clark sighed. "Yes, sir." How was he ever going to make it through this? Perry smiled to himself as Clark left. He knew exactly - well, not exactly, but close enough - what happened in the Hilton honeymoon suite the night of Luthor's White Orchid Ball. ***** Clark opened the door to the honeymoon suite, trying desperately not to remember his wedding night. It seemed that night was the last time everything was perfect for him and Lois, but even that wasn't true. They hadn't even known each other when they had gotten married. It was a set-up of some kind, by a guy named Wells. He was sure the preacher, someone named Mike, was in on it, too. They had come here and that night their child had been conceived - the child they would never know. He wearily set his bag down and looked around. He hadn't taken in the surroundings so well the first time he was here. He had been too busy looking at his beautiful bride and looking forward to what was about to happen. The room was nice, but there was no evidence of the surveillance equipment Perry had promised. He finally x-rayed the bedroom, hoping to find it in there. Still nothing. He started to pick up the phone next to the sofa to call Perry and ask what the deal was. He stopped and turned as a key scraped in the lock. ***** Lois couldn't believe that Perry was making her do this. A stakeout in the honeymoon suite she had shared with Clark. It was inhumane. It was crazy. It was preposterous. But, it was her job. Perry had made that perfectly clear. She turned the key in the lock and pushed the door open with her toe. She shut her eyes and tried to shut out the memories that wouldn't go away. SSSSS "Lois, I told you I can't afford somewhere like this." "I know, but I can. Call it your wedding present." "I don't have anything for you." "Sure you do and the sooner you take me upstairs, the sooner I can, uh, well, unwrap it?" She said that last with a question in her voice and in her eyes. "If you're sure that's what you want." He searched her eyes trying to see what was written there. She took his face in her hands. "I have never been more sure of anything in my life." Clark picked her up in his strong arms and carried her toward the elevator. "Lois, are you absolutely sure?" "Yes." After they entered the elevator, Lois reached over and pulled the stop button. "Just what do you think you are doing?" he asked, a smile on his face. "This," she replied and kissed him softly. After a moment, he used his elbow to push the button back in. "Well, if you are planning on doing that, we better go find that room you were talking about." The soft Pling! of the elevator told them that they had reached their floor. They didn't take their eyes off of each other as he carried her down the hall to their room. As she reached over and unlocked the door, Clark sighed. "Lois, there is something that we need to talk about." She pushed open the door and whispered. "Talk can wait. Let's see if you can still kiss like you did in that lobby in Washington." She pulled his head towards hers as he kicked the door shut and carried her to the king-size bed. "Lois," he groaned pulling away from her momentarily, "there is really something that I need to tell you." "Later," was all she said as her lips captured his and he forgot all about what he was going to tell her. SSSSS She forced the memory to stop there. The rest of the night was too painful. The night they had made a child. Together. Like they thought they would always be. She didn't know if she could forgive him for believing the worst about her. He should have known her better than that and the fact that he never even tried to find out the truth was definitely not a point in his favor. She sighed as she walked into the room. She looked up and for a moment thought she had finally snapped. There, in the middle of the room, stood Clark. Her husband. The man who would hold her heart forever. The only one she wanted to be the father of her... No, she forced the thoughts out of her mind. She wasn't going to go there. "Lois." His soft voice broke her out of her reverie. "Clark." She stalked past him and set her bag in the bedroom. She returned. "You can have the couch. You can always float if it's not comfortable enough for you. Where's the equipment?" "It's not here. Perry didn't say anything about us working together." "He told me I'd have a partner and if I wanted to keep my job, I'd shut up and do as I was told." "Since when do you shut up and do as you're told?" "Since I wanted to keep my job." She reached into the mini-refrigerator and pulled out a soda. "So call him already and find out the details." Clark sighed. This wasn't going to be easy and he didn't know what Perry was up to, throwing them together like this. He reached for the phone, ready to give the editor a piece of his mind. He was stopped by a knock at the door. "So, who is it?" Lois sat in the chair and looked at him expectantly. "I don't know." "Well, then answer it." Clark sighed and walked to the door. A bellboy stood there with an envelope addressed to the both of them. Clark took it and tipped the bellboy. "Well?" Clark sighed again. Lois wasn't going to be easy to deal with in this kind of mood. "It's an envelope for us." "Is it explosives?" "I don't know!" Clark's exasperation came through loud and clear. "Well, x-ray it then." Clark obliged. "It's a note from Perry." "Well?" "Is this how this is going to be? Or can we at least be civil to each other?" "Fine." Lois' voice changed drastically. It dripped sweetness as she said, "Clark, would you mind reading that and telling me what Perry had to say?" Clark rolled his eyes. "Whatever." He opened the envelope and read from the sheet: Listen, kids. Here's the deal. You two are not leaving this room until you have resolved your differences. Don't even think about trying to cut out before then. This tension is killing my newsroom, so if you two value your jobs, you'll work it out. Perry Clark let the letter flutter to the end table as he sank onto the couch. "I guess there's no stakeout then." "I guess not. But I'm not going to sit here and rehash everything with you *again*. If you ever decide that you are going to apologize, let me know." With that she stood and walked towards the bedroom. Another knock at the door stopped her. "Who is it?" Clark lowered his glasses. "Another message. It's for you." Lois rolled her eyes and opened the door. "Thanks." She didn't tip and she took the envelope towards the bedroom as she opened it. She stopped dead in her tracks. She read it aloud to Clark. Lois - Don't even think about hiding in the bedroom. Perry. "How does he know me so well?" she whined. "It's not that hard. I would've known." "So?" "It's been months since we lived together, but I still think I know almost everything about you." "Clark, you don't know half of it." Lois could almost hear his heart break again as she said it, but she didn't care. He had broken her heart over and over, whether he knew it or not. "So explain it to me, Lois. Help me understand." She could tell that he meant every word he said. "Maybe in some other lifetime." Lois knew her mother had told Clark about the miscarriage and he still chose to believe that she'd had an abortion. She didn't think she could forgive that. She stalked off into the bedroom. "Perry does *not* run my life!" And she slammed the door. Clark stood to go after her, but seemed to realize that his efforts would be in vain. He sat slowly on the couch, unsure of how to resolve the situation. The last couple of months hadn't been easy on either one of them. He knew that. Just because he didn't agree with what she had done and didn't understand her reasoning, didn't mean that he couldn't see that it was hard on her. He still stopped by her apartment every night and had seen her crying herself to sleep, often with the little teddy bear he had won for her, more times than he cared to admit. If he had any hope that she would let him in, he would have been there in a second. As it was, the one time he had knocked on her window, the reception had been rather frosty. He loved Lois. He would do anything for her. The last couple of months had been hard on him as well. Seeing her with Luthor had almost been more than he could take. Luthor stopped by the newsroom almost every day and Clark was grateful he'd been on the road with the Metropolitans for at least part of the last two months so he didn't have to deal with it every day. They went out for dinner and Lois had been to Luthor's penthouse suite more than once. The rumor mills always hushed when Clark walked by, but his super-hearing had picked up enough of the gossip to know that everyone felt sorry for him. There had been one rumor at one point that Lois had actually miscarried - no one knew how that one started - but it was quickly squashed by the truth. It was obvious to everyone that Clark was still pining away over Lois and the general consensus was that he was too good for her and that he was better off without her. Clark didn't believe that. Lois was the other half of himself. Without her, he couldn't live. He could go through the motions, do the things he needed to do, but it really wasn't living. Living was flying through the clouds with his wife in his arms. Living was coming home after a difficult rescue, knowing that no matter how much Lois resented his time away, she would be there for him when he needed her. Living was holding her as they slept, feeling her skin against his. Living was making love to his wife. Living was feeling her soft lips, seeing the sparkle in her eye, sharing a look of understanding. This wasn't living. This was barely existing. Living was something he didn't think he'd ever do again. He heard her start to sob in the other room and reached a decision. She was his wife. For better or worse. And there was something he had to do. ***** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:29:32 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aw, Kathy, thanks for sharing that with us! I'd love to hear more of your daughter's comments on L&C! You think she's going to like the romance? :-) Nicole -- AKA CKgroupie on IRC/AIM NKWolke@t-online.de "The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:20:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" MIME-version: 1.0 My kids used to watch it with me in the mornings too, and loved it (they're now 7 and 10), and whenever they see Dean Cain on something else (TV, or when we attended a celebrity basketball game that Dean was playing in [yes, Marilyn, I know!]), they say "look, there's Clark!" They'd still watch with me, but currently, due to our lack of DST in Phoenix, 5:00 a.m. is a little early for them! Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Nicole Wolke [mailto:NKWolke@T-ONLINE.DE] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:30 AM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" Aw, Kathy, thanks for sharing that with us! I'd love to hear more of your daughter's comments on L&C! You think she's going to like the romance? :-) Nicole -- AKA CKgroupie on IRC/AIM NKWolke@t-online.de "The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:17:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:20:10 -0700, Vicki Krell wrote: >whenever they see Dean Cain on something else (TV, or >when we attended a celebrity basketball game that Dean was playing in [yes, >Marilyn, I know!]), they say "look, there's Clark!" I remember once when Amy was very small -- not even two yet -- we were watching Dean on a talk show (Rosie, maybe?). Amy was sitting in my lap as I sat in front of the tv, and she was watching very happily. Until they went to commercial, that is. She instantly burst into tears and cried, "Bring back that man! Bring back that man!!" My husband was convinced I'd brainwashed her somehow, but I just figure she got her really good taste from her mommy. ;) As for the romance, I think she'll be up for it. Today, when the show came on, she asked me if this was the one where Lois married Clark. Remembering that she'd watched parts of BatP and HoL the other day, I asked if she meant 'is this when Lois marries Lex'? "No," she responded. "Clark. I want to see the one where she marries Clark." Smart girl. ;) Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:26:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" So you have not read any Mary Sue stories in L&C fanfic? I guess you have not read my Psychic series:) I always thoughts that Mary Sue in this context meant a character very like the female author who writes herself into the story in a meaningful way but does not change cannon. I never thought she was meant to be perfect, just useful to the hero in some particular instance or manner..... Carolyn >On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:18:35 -0500, Chris Carr >wrote: > >> >>With my tongue very firmly in my cheek for a moment I want to ask... By >the >>time I've decided that I *can't* mention hair colour or colour of eyes, the >>fact that my hero didn't get on with his father, that he is a gifted __ >>(fill in the blank), that he is of heroic character, that my heroine >redeems >>him through the power of her love, that neither of them can have quirky >>personality traits or habits etc... what is there left to write *about*? >>Joe Bloggs and Jane Doe do the dishes toghether and squabble over who gets >>to wash and who gets to dry? > >ROTFL! Yes, that, among other things, bothered me when I read the essay. > >>> there are >>noticeably fewer in Lois and Clark fanfiction than is the case elsewhere. >I >>think the fact that the story revolves around a couple and their developing >>romance actually mitigates against the inclusion of Mary Sue characters in >>LnC stories. Why put in a new love interest for Clark when we have a >>wonderful one already? (Yes, I know it does happen, but it doesn't happen >>very often!) >> > >I haven't read *any* LnC stories yet that I would call Mary Sue stories, >and I've read a lot of 'em. Many with original characters, sure, but none >that annoyed me by having the original creations take over from Lois and >Clark - and my main interest *is* in Lois and Clark. However, I'm not sure >that an original character would *necessarily* be a Mary Sue even if Clark >fell in love with her instead of Lois. (I'm putting on a flak jacket here, >because I *know* that hundreds of virtual tomatoes are about to come >hurtling my way .) A lot of viewers were unhappy with the way Lois >sometimes treated Clark, and if a soft-hearted writer decided to create a >love interest for him who was a little easier to live with, I'm not going >to say that the character is necessarily representative of the author and >therefore a Mary Sue. > >>my impression >>has been for quite a while that characters we fear are / see as being Mary >>Sues in fanfic might, in an entirely original story, actually fit in quite >>comfortably (always assuming some of the worst excesses of the fanfic Mary >>Sue are removed, and the story is well written). > >I agree and I'll go one further: some characters in fanfic that *are* self- >insertions may fit into the fanfic anyway. I think that sometimes we're >too quick to condemn original characters as being Mary Sues. I don't object >to self-insertion as long as the focus of the story is on Lois and Clark or >other characters in the show. (I'm assuming here that next-gen fics are the >exception to the rule that Lois and Clark or other main characters from the >show should be the focal point.) > >>I know this has been discussed here before, but Clark was a Gary Sue(is >>that the correct expression?) creation, himself. Yet we find him perfectly >>acceptable -- and that goes back to my earlier questions. Clark Kent was, >>as far as Siegel and Shuster were concerned, an original character. Is he, >>therefore, a 'real' Mary Sue? What do you guys think? >> > >If we're to take Pat Pflieger's definition that includes *all* fictional >characters, then I think that Superman/Clark Kent is a Mary Sue (Gary Sue, >Marty Sue, whatever), as are many of the action/adventure heroes out there >and many fictional heroines, especially from books written in the late >nineteenth and early twentieth century. > >Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:10:00 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: LnC cutsie note (OT for some lists) Comments: To: lcnfanfic@egroups.com, LoisandClarkNAOS@egroups.com, afolcslife@egroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Radio-Canada (French CBC, Canadian Broadcasting Corp...) during their airing of the translated LnC eps this week, they have aired an ad for one of their own programs, called Infoman. This ordinary-looking guy enters a phone booth, there's a swoosh, and he comes out wearing a *very* familiar blue and red suit, complete with S-shield. He then looks down at himself and then up, chagrined, before re-entering the booth. Another swoosh happens, and when he comes out, the S has changed to an I. He pats it down approvingly, and they cut to the info about when the show airs. I have no idea what the show is about - I'm always too busy watching the video to listen to the audio and try to translate! :o Melisma (ducking shyly back under her Rock) Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:01:08 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's too funny! :) That sounds like me -- bring back that man! LOL. And watching L&C get married is much better than watching Lex. :p (But I do love HoL.) Molly As for the romance, I think she'll be up for it. Today, when the show came on, she asked me if this was the one where Lois married Clark. Remembering that she'd watched parts of BatP and HoL the other day, I asked if she meant 'is this when Lois marries Lex'? "No," she responded. "Clark. I want to see the one where she marries Clark." Smart girl. ;) >> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:25:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:26:23 -0400, Carolyn Schnall wrote: >So you have not read any Mary Sue stories in L&C fanfic? I guess you >have not read my Psychic series:) Actually, Carolyn, yes I have - and if that's an example of a Mary Sue, then you can knock me down with a feather! I thought that your Judith Stone was just an original character that you put into your story . Based on what I'd been reading about Star Trek Mary Sues, I guess I had a very different picture of what a Mary Sue character is. > >I always thoughts that Mary Sue in this context meant a character >very like the female author who writes herself into the story in a >meaningful way but does not change cannon. I never thought she was >meant to be perfect, just useful to the hero in some particular >instance or manner..... > >From the description of Mary Sue characters on those websites, it almost sounds like any original character of the same sex could wind up being considered a Mary Sue . Now that I've searched all over the place to find out what a Mary Sue character is, I've realized that one of my first fanfics was a Mary Sue story. Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:30:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chief Pam Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the overall defining characteristic of a Mary Sue is that she annoys readers And in media fanfic, that usually means she takes over the spotlight from the main characters. I've written original characters that have some of me in them (like Ginny in Tryst), but as long as they don't dominate the story, I don't think it's a problem. If Ginny had been the one to notice the ghost and put Clark in touch with her, and solve the mystery, and revive Lois from the coma... then she'd have been a Mary Sue. But she behaved like a supporting character, and let the heros be the heros. But as with a lot of things, there's certainly wiggle room in the definition; it's subjective. Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / ChiefPam@nc.rr.com http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam **note new address** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shadow Fax" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters > On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:26:23 -0400, Carolyn Schnall > wrote: > > >So you have not read any Mary Sue stories in L&C fanfic? I guess you > >have not read my Psychic series:) > > Actually, Carolyn, yes I have - and if that's an example of a Mary Sue, > then you can knock me down with a feather! I thought that your Judith > Stone was just an original character that you put into your story . > Based on what I'd been reading about Star Trek Mary Sues, I guess I had a > very different picture of what a Mary Sue character is. > > > > >I always thoughts that Mary Sue in this context meant a character > >very like the female author who writes herself into the story in a > >meaningful way but does not change cannon. I never thought she was > >meant to be perfect, just useful to the hero in some particular > >instance or manner..... > > > > From the description of Mary Sue characters on those websites, it almost > sounds like any original character of the same sex could wind up being > considered a Mary Sue . > > Now that I've searched all over the place to find out what a Mary Sue > character is, I've realized that one of my first fanfics was a Mary Sue > story. > > Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:51:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, wait a sec, if the defining characteristic of a Mary Sue is her annoying the readers, does that mean that my Mary Sue isn't really a Mary Sue? j/k lol! Tara ------------------------ I'm starting a Procrastinators Anonymous group . . . I'm going to get started on it tomorrow. No, really! Brigadier General StarKitty Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri www.stargate-sg1.com http://www.geocities.com/thestarkitty/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chief Pam" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters > I think the overall defining characteristic of a Mary Sue is that she annoys > readers And in media fanfic, that usually means she takes over the > spotlight from the main characters. I've written original characters that > have some of me in them (like Ginny in Tryst), but as long as they don't > dominate the story, I don't think it's a problem. If Ginny had been the one > to notice the ghost and put Clark in touch with her, and solve the mystery, > and revive Lois from the coma... then she'd have been a Mary Sue. But she > behaved like a supporting character, and let the heros be the heros. > > But as with a lot of things, there's certainly wiggle room in the > definition; it's subjective. > > Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / ChiefPam@nc.rr.com > http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam > **note new address** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shadow Fax" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters > > > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:26:23 -0400, Carolyn Schnall > > wrote: > > > > >So you have not read any Mary Sue stories in L&C fanfic? I guess you > > >have not read my Psychic series:) > > > > Actually, Carolyn, yes I have - and if that's an example of a Mary Sue, > > then you can knock me down with a feather! I thought that your Judith > > Stone was just an original character that you put into your story . > > Based on what I'd been reading about Star Trek Mary Sues, I guess I had a > > very different picture of what a Mary Sue character is. > > > > > > > >I always thoughts that Mary Sue in this context meant a character > > >very like the female author who writes herself into the story in a > > >meaningful way but does not change cannon. I never thought she was > > >meant to be perfect, just useful to the hero in some particular > > >instance or manner..... > > > > > > > From the description of Mary Sue characters on those websites, it almost > > sounds like any original character of the same sex could wind up being > > considered a Mary Sue . > > > > Now that I've searched all over the place to find out what a Mary Sue > > character is, I've realized that one of my first fanfics was a Mary Sue > > story. > > > > Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:27:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marilyn Puett Subject: Re: OT: Order in the Court Re: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Can't you just see it now? Judge Martha!!!!! She doles out wisdom and wit in that practical Kansas style of hers. /holds her sides, still laughing, and hoping like Gerry that she won't pee in her pants. Marilyn AKA Supermom >From: Kathy Brown >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: OT: Order in the Court Re: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual > Court Statements >Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:08:32 -0500 > >That was a long read, Pam, but well worth it. Why do I think I'd like this >judge? > >He'd be a great character in a fanfic. > >Kathy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:52:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" That's so cute, Kathy. Please post more of Amy's reviews. It's always interesting to see things from another perspective -- especially a six-year- old's! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:55:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:51:53 -0700, StarKitty wrote: >Hey, wait a sec, if the defining characteristic of a Mary Sue is her >annoying the readers, does that mean that my Mary Sue isn't really a Mary >Sue? > >j/k > >lol! > >Tara ROTFL, Tara! Yes, that's right, you'll need to give her another name. But, wait, if you do that, she might start annoying people instead of amusing them (especially when she gets all the attention from Clark and the other males ). So then she'll be a Mary Sue character again. So you'll have to name her Mary Sue so she'll stop annoying people and start amusing them again. But then she *won't* be a Mary Sue any more . . . . I'm getting a headache, I'll stop now. Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:09:09 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Madden Subject: NEW: "The Legend of Norcross and Judd: Exposition" (4/?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So we have our introduction to some shady prison guards and a plan to find our friendly neighborhood criminal Mr. Frederickson...what next, you ask? Why, more background, of course! Don't worry, we'll soon be past the boring stuff and on to the action. Enjoy! -Rachel :) * * * Billy watched Serena as she filled her mug with coffee. He hadn't noticed earlier that morning, but she limped slightly when she walked, favoring her right foot over her left. And he couldn't be sure, but he thought he saw a bruise on her right cheek.... Billy shook his head. He knew the cause of the injuries. And he was about ready to kick its rear end into oblivion. He could, too. Billy was a big guy. Always a head taller than the other boys when he was growing up. Still was. Serena only came up to his shoulder. He pondered as he walked to the coffee pot. Chad had been nothing but trouble for Ser since he moved into the apartment next to hers. He drank, he fought, got in trouble with the MPD, and then did it all over again. He paid his rent with drug money and somehow managed to survive his hangovers, bar fights, entanglements with the police, and daily heroin intake. Billy considered him one of the many slimeballs of Metropolis, and he was. He truly was. Only a miracle could save him. And Chad somehow got it into his head that Ser was the miracle he needed. Sometimes Billy thought that relationships was Ser's only weakness. She had other faults, of course, but the only one she let get out of hand was her relationship problem. Ser had run away from home when she was 14, and her parents died in a car accident while they were looking for her. Her older brother, Jack, had joined the Navy when she was 11. He never came home. She jumped around in foster homes until the jackpot was finally -- inevitably -- hit. In 1954, when Ser was 16, she moved in with Mr. and Mrs. John Rinehart, a couple that had been pining for a child since they had gotten married four years earlier. Their excessively sentimental attitudes had been recognized by the adoption agency; the agency was more than willing to put Ser into their seemingly loving, gentle hands. However, as soon as Ser arrived home with her new foster parents, those hands turned into physically threatening weapons. The abuse carried on until Ser turned 18 and moved out. She worked at a fast food restaurant, but hardly earned enough money to support herself. Soup kitchens were sometimes necessary, and at one particular soup kitchen, Ser was discovered by Lorena King, the kindly ancient woman behind the Information Desk at The Daily Planet offices who happened to be volunteering at the soup kitchen that day. Lorena persuaded Tom Walsh to give Ser a job at the Daily Planet. And that's where Billy met Ser 6 years later. In the place of that scared, foolish little girl, there was a successful, brilliant young woman. And there were four Kerth awards to prove it. Billy walked over to where Ser was standing by the coffee table and touched her shoulder lightly. She jumped, sending hot coffee all over her clothes. "Oh, jeez, Ser, I'm sorry...." Serena grabbed some napkins and began dabbing at her skirt as Billy started cleaning up the floor. He looked worriedly at her, not knowing what she was doing, as her back was turned towards him. He tensed when Ser turned around, expecting some huge explosion, but she simply bent down and helped Billy pick up the coffee-soaked napkins. "So much for Tom's new carpet," she said with a small smile. They both dropped their napkins in the wastebasket at the same time, and their hands touched. Ser let out a tiny, shuddering gasp. Billy just stood and watched as Ser started walking down the hall to the ladies' room. "Serena," he called. She stopped at the sound of his voice. Billy walked up behind her and put his hands on her shoulders. This time she didn't jump. "I know there's something going on with Chad," he whispered, drawing closer to her ear. "Anytime you want to talk...." She was crying, he could tell. Her back was pressed against his chest, and he could sense his heartbeat speeding up, just as hers was doing. He watched as she started rubbing the back of her fisted right hand with the palm of her left, a habit she reverted to when she was nervous or afraid. He gently steadied her hands with his own and wrapped his arms around her small frame, her fingers still intertwined with his. Ser leaned into her best friend's embrace gratefully, relaxing in his arms, feeling a wave of security wash over her. She felt Billy's grip tighten, pulling her closer still, and Ser's tears began to fall anew. Billy really cared for her. He had noticed something was wrong and had confronted her about it. Her other friends wouldn't have seen anything behind her mask of smiles and laughs. But Billy had seen right through it. He truly was her best friend. And...was he something more? Her feelings were certainly telling her an emphatic yes right now. But her head -- and all the bruises and cuts on her body -- were telling her differently. She was afraid Chad would get angry again if he found out that she had started another relationship. He would probably beat her up again. But Billy...God, she was beginning to think she loved him. But she was so scared...relationships had never been her strong suit.... She heard Billy whisper, "I'm here for you, Ser. My ears are always open if you need someone to talk to." Then he started to pull away. "I'll let you change your clothes...." But Ser grabbed his arm and pulled him back. "Thank you, Billy. You have no idea how much I appreciate...your concern." Ser smiled through her tears and reached up to hug him. Strong arms enveloped her, and then warm lips touched her forehead. Then he was out of the dark hallway, walking back towards his desk. Ser touched her forehead where Billy had kissed her and smiled. * * * Perry decided that Steven Crandall had a nervous tic. Anyone would have one in a job like this. He was beginning to develop one himself. Serena and Billy were fidgeting impatiently in their chairs and Walters' assistant looked on, his left eye twitching every so often. There was complete silence except for the constant tick of the second hand on the clock and the occasional shouts from the inner sanctum of Walters' office. Billy and Ser looked at each other, and Perry looked at Crandall. Steven was unbending a paperclip, closing his eyes every time a raised voice was heard. Suddenly there was a loud thud, and before anyone could react, the door was flung wide open and a burly man in a guard's uniform stormed out. Perry got a glimpse of the man's nametag as he rushed by: something Scott. Swear words were thrown at the man from within the office, and Crandall quickly disappeared into the room, mumbling a strained "Just a second" before closing the door behind him. Perry sat back down in his chair and watched as Billy and Ser immediately started to go through Crandall's desk and filing cabinet, checking every file as quickly as they could before putting it in the exact position it had been in. Perry was incredulous. "What are you guys doing?" Billy briefly looked up from the file he was looking at and said calmly, "Investigating." "Investigating? But you have no right to search through his desk! There might be personal items in there!" "Obviously," Serena said. She held up a bottle of vodka and a pair of women's underwear. Perry gasped. Billy and Ser smiled. * * * Crandall had barely gotten into the room when a letter opener came flying at his head, missing his ear by inches. "Jesus, Crandall! Who does that Scott think he is? The God of all prison guards? I don't think so! No, sir! He does *not* have authority over me! I make the decisions regarding the prisoners, not him!" "Yes, sir," Crandall said feebly. All he could do was wait for his boss to calm down before letting the reporters in. Or they were likely to get their heads ripped off. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:09:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:42:38 -0500, Kathy Brown wrote: >Today's episode was "The Source". > >Now *I* enjoyed today's episode because I had set my fanfic "The One That Got >Away" directly following it, and I was watching L&C's interaction to reassure >myself that I had gotten the characterization right. I remember one person, >in commenting on my fic, had mentioned that they didn't think L&C would be so >comfortable with each other at this point in the series. (I had them >engaging in a lot of playful banter at the beginning of the fic, as well as >feeling quite comfortable touching each other to give comfort or in friendly >affection.) > >In watching today, however, I am happy to say that I still believe I got the >characterization right -- there was a ton of "best friends" interaction here. >Playful teasing (Lois at the end deliberately exaggerating her end of a phone >conversation to make Clark think she was on a hot story instead of getting >her apartment fumigated ), lots of happy grinning at each other, >affectionate touching on both their parts (Lois giving Clark the "chest >touch", Clark giving Lois an affectionate shoulder squeeze), and each of them >emphasizing that they were partners. In addition, Lois's wistful "I'll miss >you" after Clark heads off with another reporter while she's on suspension >wasn't self-conscious at all, very different from her jealousy of other women >in season one. Gee, now I want to go re-read my story. I just did that . Re-read your story, I mean. I didn't remember that anything in it had jarred me as being out of place or inappropriate, and re- reading it confirmed that. You mentioned all the touching and banter that went on in The Source, and IIRC, it was immediately followed by The Prankster, which had *lots* of banter - Clark teased Lois mercilessly on that Senior Journalist thing - and had Lois later inviting herself to spend the night at his place. They sat close together on the sofa (closer than *I've* ever sat with someone who was "just a friend" ;) and Clark put his arm around Lois's shoulder. They were apparently quite comfortable with hugging and touching each other by that point. Thanks for sharing you six-year-old's comments about the show; she sounds very cute and funny! I'll look forward to hearing more of the childs-eye view. :-) Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 13:57:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Valley of the Shadow, 14/17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here you go! Comments appreciated. I plan on having the next part out on Wed, but I will try for Tues. Thanks! CM ***** >From part 13: Clark didn't believe that. Lois was the other half of himself. Without her, he couldn't live. He could go through the motions, do the things he needed to do, but it really wasn't living. Living was flying through the clouds with his wife in his arms. Living was coming home after a difficult rescue, knowing that no matter how much Lois resented his time away, she would be there for him when he needed her. Living was holding her as they slept, feeling her skin against his. Living was making love to his wife. Living was feeling her soft lips, seeing the sparkle in her eye, sharing a look of understanding. This wasn't living. This was barely existing. Living was something he didn't think he'd ever do again. He heard her start to sob in the other room and reached a decision. She was his wife. For better or worse. And there was something he had to do. ***** Part 14: Lois couldn't bring herself to lie on the bed so she chose the big chair instead. She pushed it into the recline position and settled in for a good cry. Perry didn't know what he was doing this time. Usually he was right on with his hunches, but this time, things were too far gone. Even knowing that Clark believed the abortion story didn't help any. She didn't know why he did, but Lucy said so, and it explained so much. All of his attitudes over the last couple of months. But it still didn't explain how he could believe those things without even attempting to talk to her about it. Lois' hand rested on her lower abdomen of it's own volition. She still felt like she could feel the child growing there. She would have been almost six months pregnant by now. Her little pooch that she'd been getting would have been a full-fledged belly by now. She started to cry, silent tears running down her cheeks. She would be able to feel the baby move by now and Clark might have been able to as well. Clark. Her one true love. She knew she'd never be able to love another man as long as she lived. She'd never want to feel another man's arms around her, to have another man hold her when she cried. She never wanted to float in the clouds with anyone else, not that that was even remotely possible, she thought with a sad little grin. She had someone no one else did. The world's first and only superhero and the only man she wanted to spend the rest of her life with. The only one she wanted to grow old with. The only one she wanted to be the father of her children. The only one. That's what it all boiled down to. Clark was the only one for her. Period. End of discussion. So why was it so hard to go talk to him? Things hadn't been all that wonderful between them, she recalled. They'd been fighting over what seemed like silly, inconsequential things in retrospect. Where to live, whether to tell her doctor about the Kryptonian genetics and the time that Superman took her husband away from her. They were issues that they'd needed to deal with, but the bitterness that had seeped into their conversations was certainly way out of proportion in the great scheme of life. She thought the Kryptonian genetics might have been somewhat evident when the doctor asked her if she wanted to know if the baby was a boy or girl. She had said no at the time because she had wanted Clark to be there so they could find out together. To find out if they had the son he'd always longed for or the girl that he dreamed of. The doctor had said that the baby had seemed slightly more developed than they had expected. Lois figured it was the Kryptonian part of his or her heritage that maybe made the development speed up some. If only they had been able to grieve the loss of their child together, like her doctor had recommended. She finally gave herself over to the sobs that she knew were inevitable. A soft knock sounded at the door. She made no reply. She knew Clark would hear her, but she told herself that she wanted him to go away. "Lois? Please. Can I come in?" Clark called gently. "Go away," came the muffled reply. "Please, Lois. Let me in." "Go away, Clark." "I'm not leaving until you let me in." Lois knew, somehow, that this was one of life's defining moments. What she decided here would affect the rest of her life. If she told Clark to go away, there was a good chance he would never come back. As much as she didn't want to see him right now, could she live with herself later if he did go away? Finally, she made up her mind. Lois sat up a little straighter and swiped at her eyes. "Fine." The door opened slowly. She could tell that Clark was avoiding looking at the bed, just like she had. There were too many memories there. He walked over and knelt by her side. "Please, Lois. Talk to me. Tell me what it is. Let me help." "You can't help, Clark." Clark reached out and wiped the tears with the fingers of one hand. Lois reached up to push it away, but her hand was captured in the large hand of her husband. Clark looked at their hands that still looked so right together. With his other hand, he reached for her chin and tipped her head so she had to look him in the eyes. He took a deep breath. "Lois, I made a promise to you. I promised to love you and honor you and to cherish you for as long as we both live. I promised to be there for you, in sickness and in health, for better or worse. I know I haven't done very well keeping those promises the last few months, but I want to. Please let me. Please tell me what happened. I want to understand. I love you, Lois. That's never changed and it never will, no matter what happens." Lois looked into his deep, chocolate eyes, so filled with love and pain. She somehow knew he really didn't understand what had happened. Finally, she took deep breath and spoke. "I want to believe you, Clark. Really, I do. But I can't." "Why not? I love you, Lois and I would never, *never* hurt you intentionally. Please?" "You never came, Clark. Not when I needed you most. You never came." "I never knew you needed me. I still don't know what really happened, remember? One minute, you helped me get home after being kidnapped and hurt by the Kryptonite and the next I was listening to a message from your mom telling me that you were staying with her and that you didn't want anything to do with me. I don't understand, Lois. I didn't then, and I don't now." He could tell Lois was having difficulty comprehending what he was saying, but he didn't understand why. "What did my mother tell you?" "She said that you were staying with her and to please not call, you'd get back to me in a couple of days." "And you believed her?" "No, of course not. I didn't want to anyway. I was just about ready to go over there when I checked my email. That's when I got the first email from you." "An email from me? I didn't email you." "It was from your Luthnet account and said basically the same thing the message from your mom said." "I never emailed you, Clark. I don't even have a Luthnet account." Lois refused to get sidetracked. "My mom never told you what really happened?" "No, I swear. I have no idea what happened that day." Lois removed her hand from Clark's and began to pace around the room. "It all started while you were kidnapped. Remember, I'd been having some cramps off and on?" At Clark's nod, she continued. "Well, while I was trying to rescue you, I had some really bad ones. I pushed through them because all I could think about was getting to you. After I got you home, I left to run some errands." "Weren't you supposed to have your doctor's appointment that day? The one where we'd get to hear the heartbeat?" Lois nodded, the tears starting to run down her cheeks again. Just the mention of the baby they would never have was enough. "I went to that appointment, but not long after I left the apartment, I started spotting. I was bleeding pretty heavily by the time I got to the doctor's office." She played with her rings as she continued to pace. "He did an exam. The baby was gone, Clark." "What?" Clark sank the rest of the way to the floor, his shoulders slumped, trying to comprehend what Lois was telling him. It was several minutes before he was able to speak and then his voice was a hoarse rasp. "The baby was... gone? Dead?" Lois nodded again through her tears. "Why didn't you call me?" "I tried. I had turned the ringer off before I left so you could sleep. I called everyone to get them to wake you up, but no one was home. I tried Lucy and Jimmy's, everyone I could think of. They took me to another part of the hospital to do a dilitation and cutterage, a D and C..." "A procedure commonly used for abortions, but also to empty the contents of the uterus after a miscarriage." It took only seconds for him to see what Lois saw as the ultimate betrayal - refusal to come to her side when she needed him most and then somehow, believe that it was all her fault in the first place. "Oh, God. What have I done?" Clark was at her side in a second, and took her hands in his. He looked earnestly into her eyes. "I swear, Lois. I had no idea. No clue at all. I didn't even know the baby was gone for a couple of days." Lois tried to finish her story. She pulled her hands away from Clark's and turned. She couldn't deal with those big, brown eyes. "My mom saw me as they were moving me to the other part of the hospital. She stayed with me while they did the procedure and then took me home with her. You were still sleeping and I needed constant watching for about eight hours. I figured you'd be there by the time I woke up. She said she called several times and..." Lois thought for a moment. "I guess she never actually said that she talked to you, but she insinuated that you knew." Clark moved to stand behind her. His hands rested on her shoulders as he said, "I didn't know, Lois, I swear. I didn't know for days. I mean, I think I felt something was wrong, but I didn't really know." "How did you find out?" "I got an email from you telling me. Lucy and Jimmy confirmed it. Lucy had gone to your mom's place and she told her. I guess your mom told her that you'd... you'd..." Clark ran his hands lightly down her arms. He couldn't keep his voice from cracking as he continued. "Your mom told Lucy that you'd had an abortion, not a miscarriage." Lois' chin rested on her chest. "How could she? How could she do that?" The tears started again. Clark turned her around and she didn't protest. It felt so good to be in his arms again. Clark held her as she cried once more. One hand gently stroked her hair while the other held her close. It was amazing to hold her again, but he couldn't let himself get carried away. She was emotional. They'd made progress. Tears started to flow down his own cheeks. Tears he didn't know he had. He thought he'd been all cried out a month ago. But this was different. Lois had needed him and he hadn't been there for her. No matter that he hadn't known. Their baby had died, not by her hand, but through some other cause, and he hadn't been the one to comfort her. The one to hold her so that they could go through this together. Lois felt the wetness from Clark's face fall onto her own and knew that he wept with her. She finally wrapped her arms around him and clung tightly to his waist. They were finally together. For now it was enough. Long minutes later, something finally made it through her consciousness. "Clark?" Her voice was muffled in his chest. "Yes, Lois?" "I never sent you an email about the baby, not until much later. After you told me you already knew." A knock at the outer door kept Clark from responding. He looked over his glasses. "It's another message from Perry." He sat her down on the bed. "I'll be right back, okay?" Lois nodded. He returned a moment later, page in hand. "I don't know how he does it." Lois wiped her tears. "How he does what? "Listen. Lois and Clark - You've probably just started talking about the emails. Don't ask how or why just yet, but know this and we'll explain later. Clark, you received emails from someone you thought was Lois and Lois you received emails you thought were from Clark, but you never actually exchanged emails with each other. It was with some third party. We're working on finding out who. You two just concentrate on working things out together. Perry, Jimmy and Lucy" "What?" Lois was having a hard time realizing what Clark meant. Clark sat on the bed next to her. "I don't know. I must have sent you, well, I don't know how many emails, but these guys say that I wasn't really sending them to you, but someone pretending to be you." "And I sent you dozens of emails." "But I must not have ever gotten them. All of the emails I got came from a Luthnet account." "Same here. Ckent@luthnet.com." "I don't have a luthnet address." "Neither do I." "So someone else was working to keep us apart." "Who would do such a thing?" Clark sighed, remembering the day he and Jimmy had gotten thrown out of the baseball game. "I have a couple of ideas. But we're not supposed to worry about it. Perry, Jimmy and Lucy are working on it." Lois smiled. "So they're all in this together?" "Sounds like it. But my money is on Jimmy finding out who set all this up." "No bet. I know my sister and she has a hard time setting a VCR and we both know Perry hates technology. He'd still do everything by hand if he could." "That's Perry for you." They sat in silence for some moments. It couldn't be described as a companionable silence, but the tension was much less than would have been the case only a few hours before. Lois finally spoke. "Clark, there's something I have to know." "Anything." "Did you really believe that I could abort our child?" ***** TBC ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 20:56:49 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Question for fic: visas and the arms trade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hands up anyone who knows anything about gun-running... This is for FoDIV - 1. Do Americans need a visa to enter the Congo and/or Nigeria? 2. Presumably there are certain countries and organisations to whom it's = forbidden to sell arms in the US. Does anybody know what the generic = terms for these places and people are? - for example, I think I've heard = of some list which the IRA have recently been taken off. And can = anybody give me a few examples of such countries or organisations? Thanks! Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:06:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Rupps Subject: Re: Question for fic: visas and the arms trade In-Reply-To: <001801c12e69$3f4ded80$876886d9@91bb00j> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hands up anyone who knows anything about gun-running... > > This is for FoDIV - > > 1. Do Americans need a visa to enter the Congo and/or Nigeria? I can't help with information about gun-running :-0, but the U.S. State Department (http://www.state.gov/index.cfm) lists visa requirements, travel advisories, etc. on their web site (http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html). Both Congo and Nigeria require visas for entry - neither sounds like a place I'd like to spend my next vacation ;). Amy ______________________ rupp@netsync.net "Read, every day, something no one else is reading. Think, every day, something no one else is thinking. Do, every day, something no one else would be silly enough to do. It is bad for the mind to continually be part of unanimity." -Christopher Morley ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:31:29 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: Question for fic: visas and the arms trade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the link, Amy. As well as the visa information, I got some really useful background information about the political situation in the Congo. I also found some very useful stuff about the arms trade and where the weak links are - all of which confirmed my tentative ideas :) Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:20:21 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Bethy Em Subject: Re: NEW: It's Not Easy Being Me (1/1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thank you, Ursie, Kathy and Melisma for your comments. Ursie -- Don't worry, I'll starve ShivaSaavik and then plunk her in front of a keyboard whenever possible. "You have my Kerth award vote for the cutest Supes tale." Cool. :D Can we quote you on that? ;) Kathy -- No, not everyone can be a Clark fan. As much as we are, SuperGel is...well, not. Glad you liked it. Melisma -- Glad you liked it and that we could add a laugh to your day. As for your challenge...well, we'll post our response in just a minute. Bethy and ShivaSaavik _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:23:24 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Bethy Em Subject: New: It's Never Easy Being Me (1/1) (Was: Fic challenge) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed *************************************** It's Never Easy Being Me By Bethy and ShivaSaavik Comments welcome. All kinds. Rated G *************************************** "Here we go again," I thought. Once again, fancy-pants, (well, tights really. *Tight* tights. There are some things that just should not be seen. Especially by me.) was spinning into his multi-colored clown outfit. The only joy I took from this was that it meant he would be applying me and even that joy was little. In his other...form...he refused to use me, or even a lesser version of me! I shudder at the memory of his flopping, flapping, flyaway hair. Now, I will admit, when he does use me, he tends to go a little overboard, but when you see the scrapes he gets mixed up in, it's not surprising! Fires, explosions and extreme wind tend to have a negative effect on the efficiency of hair gel. Even SuperGel. Although, someone really should tell him that I’m not glue. Hmmm...I have a cousin in School Supplies...last I heard, no one bought him. Doesn’t Rubber Cement hold up to anything? Even five year olds? Or duct tape!!!! That fixes anything!! It says so. Right on the label. Anyway, he jumped out the window -- no, not a desperate, psychological cry for help. This was his (ugh) normal method of exiting. Why do I even put up with him? Oh, right. That whole barter system. He gives money in exchange for me and suddenly I'm expected to perform under any conditions. I distinctly remember some amendments being passed to eradicate this... By now I was slightly used to his escapades, though. Spin-change into gaudy costume, applying me in the process (I will give him this, it's an interesting way to be applied) and then rush off to save the world. Or sometimes a cat caught in a tree. And you want to know the first thing those things grab onto? That's right. *The hair.* Today, though...today was different. I didn't know it when we left (okay, I don't ever know anything when we leave), but today we were going to get into a scrape unlike any other. Today, we were going to... Well, I'd better start at the beginning. As I said, he jumped out the window, giving me the customary scare as he wooshed down before he leisurely decided to go back up. Why does he do that? Why not just fly out? Though I guess this is better than those times when he does a swan dive, or a cannonball... Let me tell you, that's one way to make a pothole. We flew for a long time as I fought to maintain hair stability against the amazing forces of the wind. Not that there was any real wind that day, just what Supey here created in his hurry. The flight was longer than normal, but I barely noticed. Too busy doing my job, you see. Which is what he *should* have been doing. His job. In normal clothing. Even if it did mean having to forego the pleasure of my company that he gets when he indulges his obsessive compulsive need to save...all. We ended up somewhere...south. I have absolutely *no* sense of direction, which isn't a problem as I never go anywhere without guaranteed transportation back. Suddenly he dove into dark, murky water. Sigh. Water again? I understand that I haven't been officially tested against much of what he puts me through (fires, explosions, flying without an airplane...), but any idiot in his right mind knows what water does to gel! Don't ask me *how* he knew, but when we reached the bottom of that never-ending, miserable water, we found a crocodile. A crocodile! Now, I can understand the urge to save kittens from trees -- after all, kittens can be cute, even if they do have to grow up to be cats, and they have been known to catch some annoying mice. But a crocodile? What was he thinking! He puts me through the water torture again, and all for an under-achieving dinosaur. Supester reached past the croc's belly, untangling its hind legs. Unfortunately, he didn't realize he put his head (and me! Don't forget about ME!) directly in harm's way. SNAP! It bit me! Er, him, but the effect was the same! Surprisingly, his head managed to withstand the impact, and I even noticed some cracking on the crocodile's teeth... I will never let it be said I avoid my duties though. He came out of that water, crocodile bite and all, with his hair perfectly intact. Despite the fact that nowhere on my label does it say, "Sufficient against crocodile bites." You use emergency rooms for those, not hair gel. You know, it would be easier on everybody if he could just be bald. Now, normally, I wouldn't advocate shaving one's head as it would put me out of a job, but in this case...I'd be willing to make the sacrifice. It would give him more dimensions. I can see it now: no longer is it Man of Steel, it’s Cue ball of Steel. Quite catchy if you ask me. Almost as catchy as "Superman: Termite Tamer!" But that's a whole 'nother hair-raising adventure. The End _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 14:34:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: New: It's Never Easy Being Me (1/1) (Was: Fic challenge) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:23 PM 26/08/2001 +0000, you wrote: >*************************************** >It's Never Easy Being Me >By Bethy >and ShivaSaavik >Comments welcome. All kinds. >Rated G >*************************************** AHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!! :::catches breath, trys to control giggles, wipes tears from eyes::: :::can't help self: starts giggling again::: BethyShiva - keep these hilarious vignettes c-c-coming!!!! Melisma (under her Rock, expecting to be hauled away to the funny farm any second) Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 17:48:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: New: It's Never Easy Being Me (1/1) (Was: Fic challenge) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Bethy! Read this on the boards, and I must admit it is much better than my humble attempt to explain the "mouth of the crocodile" incident! I LOL'd as I read it! Love to hear about the termite incident as well! CM ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 16:04:08 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: New: It's Never Easy Being Me (1/1) (Was: Fic challenge) In-Reply-To: <20010826.175258.-251659.2.cmoncado@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey Carol, don't sell yourself short! I liked your story too :) Melisma (recovering, under her Rock) At 05:48 PM 26/08/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Bethy! > >Read this on the boards, and I must admit it is much better than my >humble attempt to explain the "mouth of the crocodile" incident! > >I LOL'd as I read it! Love to hear about the termite incident as well! > >CM > > Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:36:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: New: It's Never Easy Being Me (1/1) (Was: Fic challenge) Oh, man, Bethy, this was just as funny as the first one. LOL!! teeny tiny spoiler space ... >Unfortunately, he didn't realize he put his head (and me! Don't forget > about ME!) directly in harm's way. LOL! Don't forget about ME! And of course, the implication that the hair gel thinks she (he? ) is responsible for keeping his hair in place while said crocodile was biting. Too funny. Gee, I was going to try to come up with one of these challenge stories of my own, but I don't think anything I could write could compare to this one. LOL. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:39:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Question for fic: visas and the arms trade On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 21:31:29 +0100, Yvonne Connell < yvonne@YCONNELL.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote: >I also found some very useful stuff about the arms trade and where >the weak links are - all of which confirmed my tentative ideas :) Isn't it nice when real life can support our fanfic habit? Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:12:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Hand in the candy jar IIRC, there was an ep in early S2 where Lois took a handful of candy from a candy jar in the newsroom, and then started picking candy out of her hand and putting it back into the jar. Does anyone remember in what ep that happened? I think it was Operation Blackout, but it may be Metallo. And does anyone know if that was written in the script? Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:37:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: OT: I'm back to the land of technology :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone :) Just a quick note to say that I have my computer back from being fixed (I think they pretty much replaced everything in it ), and I'm now back on-line. Yay. :))) I was seriously going through withdrawls there for a while, but I'm sure I'll recover. Looking forward to chatting with you all once again, Erin __________________ erink@ida.net erink@lcfanfic.com Visit my Lois & Clark/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:44:30 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Missy Gallant Subject: Re: OT: I'm back to the land of technology :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Welcome back, Erin!!! Hope you recover quickly from Computer Withdrawal Syndrone :))) Looking forward to more Accidental Husband whenever you get a chance to catch up!!!! Missy >From: Erin Klingler >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: OT: I'm back to the land of technology :) >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:37:44 -0700 > >Hi everyone :) > >Just a quick note to say that I have my computer back from being fixed (I >think >they pretty much replaced everything in it ), and I'm now back on-line. > Yay. >:))) I was seriously going through withdrawls there for a while, but I'm >sure >I'll recover. > >Looking forward to chatting with you all once again, > >Erin >__________________ >erink@ida.net >erink@lcfanfic.com >Visit my Lois & Clark/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek > ***** >"It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they >happen." >__________________ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:23:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Vicki: When did you see Dean at a celebrity basket ball game? Carolyn:) >My kids used to watch it with me in the mornings too, and loved it (they're >now 7 and 10), and whenever they see Dean Cain on something else (TV, or >when we attended a celebrity basketball game that Dean was playing in [yes, >Marilyn, I know!]), they say "look, there's Clark!" They'd still watch >with me, but currently, due to our lack of DST in Phoenix, 5:00 a.m. is a >little early for them! > >Vicki > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nicole Wolke [mailto:NKWolke@T-ONLINE.DE] >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:30 AM >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" > >Aw, Kathy, thanks for sharing that with us! I'd love to hear more of >your daughter's comments on L&C! You think she's going to like the >romance? :-) > >Nicole > >-- >AKA CKgroupie on IRC/AIM >NKWolke@t-online.de >"The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:22:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Fic Question: Lois's chocolate place MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all :) I'm finishing up the very last scene of my fanfic , but I need to know something. Does anyone remember the name of the chocolate place Lois frequented? I think it was mentioned in first season when she (and the others) discovered their budgets were being cut. I think she said something like she was going to go there, and on her own money. :) Anyone remember the name? Or was there a different place later on in the series? Thanks! Erin __________________ erink@ida.net erink@lcfanfic.com Visit my Lois & Clark/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:38:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" MIME-version: 1.0 My husband, kids and I went to a celebrity basketball thing at America West Arena because Dean was playing and tickets were only $5 apiece!! I had never seen him before in person, and really wanted to go. It was fun, and it was extremely bizarre to see him standing right there, although, unfortunately, not right in front of where we were sitting. And I was too chicken to go up to him and ask for an autograph because I felt like a moron, although I would've taken my kids down to the floor if they had wanted one. They didn't. I cannot remember exactly when it was, but I want to say February or March... V (who has been working on a @#$%^&* revised budget for NIH all day and is ready to pull her hair out!!!) -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Schnall [mailto:cschnall@MED.CORNELL.EDU] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:23 PM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" Hi Vicki: When did you see Dean at a celebrity basket ball game? Carolyn:) >My kids used to watch it with me in the mornings too, and loved it (they're >now 7 and 10), and whenever they see Dean Cain on something else (TV, or >when we attended a celebrity basketball game that Dean was playing in [yes, >Marilyn, I know!]), they say "look, there's Clark!" They'd still watch >with me, but currently, due to our lack of DST in Phoenix, 5:00 a.m. is a >little early for them! > >Vicki > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nicole Wolke [mailto:NKWolke@T-ONLINE.DE] >Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:30 AM >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" > >Aw, Kathy, thanks for sharing that with us! I'd love to hear more of >your daughter's comments on L&C! You think she's going to like the >romance? :-) > >Nicole > >-- >AKA CKgroupie on IRC/AIM >NKWolke@t-online.de >"The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:38:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: Fic Question: Lois's chocolate place MIME-version: 1.0 Fudge Castle? -----Original Message----- From: Erin Klingler [mailto:erink@IDA.NET] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:23 PM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Fic Question: Lois's chocolate place Hi all :) I'm finishing up the very last scene of my fanfic , but I need to know something. Does anyone remember the name of the chocolate place Lois frequented? I think it was mentioned in first season when she (and the others) discovered their budgets were being cut. I think she said something like she was going to go there, and on her own money. :) Anyone remember the name? Or was there a different place later on in the series? Thanks! Erin __________________ erink@ida.net erink@lcfanfic.com Visit my Lois & Clark/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:50:02 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Fic Question: Lois's chocolate place MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIRC, Erin, it was called The Fudge Castle. LabRat :) > > I'm finishing up the very last scene of my fanfic > , but I need to know something. Does anyone remember the name of the chocolate > place Lois frequented? I think it was mentioned in first season when she (and the > others) discovered their budgets were being cut. I think she said something like > she was going to go there, and on her own money. :) Anyone remember the name? > Or was there a different place later on in the series? > > Thanks! > > Erin > __________________ > erink@ida.net > erink@lcfanfic.com > Visit my Lois & Clark/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek > ***** > "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." > __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:54:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: OT: Pregnant sis-in-law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I just thought I'd let y'all know that my sis-in-law just went = into labor. The contractions are apparently about 7 minutes apart right = now. They're going to keep us posted. Tara ------------------------ I'm starting a Procrastinators Anonymous group . . . I'm going to get = started on it tomorrow. No, really! Brigadier General StarKitty Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri www.stargate-sg1.com http://www.geocities.com/thestarkitty/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:01:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Shadowfax:) >On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:26:23 -0400, Carolyn Schnall > wrote: > >>So you have not read any Mary Sue stories in L&C fanfic? I guess you >>have not read my Psychic series:) > >Actually, Carolyn, yes I have - and if that's an example of a Mary Sue, >then you can knock me down with a feather! I thought that your Judith >Stone was just an original character that you put into your story . >Based on what I'd been reading about Star Trek Mary Sues, I guess I had a >very different picture of what a Mary Sue character is. You read my work!!!!!!! Wow:) Yes, Judith is an original character but according to my understanding, and based on my personal knowledge of the source of the character, namely me I think she fits the Mary Sue definition. And as an old Trekker, I think it still applies:) Besides, I was writing fanfiction at the age of 10 (before it was even called that) and almost always, it was in the Mary Sue mode. For instance, if I was writing about the Man From UNCLE, a ten year old female spy was the one who helped Napoleon and Illya (sp?) solve a problem in a way that no one but this ten year old girl could. If that's not a Mary Sue, I don't know what it......:) When I started to write my Psychic stories, my brother, who is my editor, was quick to point out that I had a discrepancy in the way I wrote her. Judith ends up being around the same age as Clark and Lois (actually slightly younger) but I had put in a number of references which would make her appear older, closer to my age. I had to make a choice and she became younger so that when Lois is jealous of her, it is more believable. Still, Judith helps Clark as a psychic in a way that no other person could...:) > > >>I always thoughts that Mary Sue in this context meant a character >>very like the female author who writes herself into the story in a >>meaningful way but does not change cannon. I never thought she was >>meant to be perfect, just useful to the hero in some particular >>instance or manner..... >> > >From the description of Mary Sue characters on those websites, it almost >sounds like any original character of the same sex could wind up being >considered a Mary Sue . Yes, I would agree with that:) > >Now that I've searched all over the place to find out what a Mary Sue >character is, I've realized that one of my first fanfics was a Mary Sue >story. > >Shadowfax LOL!!! Surprise:) Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:04:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Wow, that's great! Too bad you didn't go up to him, though, because he certainly is approachable:) It has been my experience that NIH does not award budgets simply based on the degree of baldness....:) Carolyn:) >My husband, kids and I went to a celebrity basketball thing at America West >Arena because Dean was playing and tickets were only $5 apiece!! I had never >seen him before in person, and really wanted to go. It was fun, and it was >extremely bizarre to see him standing right there, although, unfortunately, >not right in front of where we were sitting. And I was too chicken to go up >to him and ask for an autograph because I felt like a moron, although I >would've taken my kids down to the floor if they had wanted one. They >didn't. > >I cannot remember exactly when it was, but I want to say February or >March... > >V (who has been working on a @#$%^&* revised budget for NIH all day and is >ready to pull her hair out!!!) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carolyn Schnall [mailto:cschnall@MED.CORNELL.EDU] >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:23 PM >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" > >Hi Vicki: > >When did you see Dean at a celebrity basket ball game? > >Carolyn:) > >>My kids used to watch it with me in the mornings too, and loved it (they're >>now 7 and 10), and whenever they see Dean Cain on something else (TV, or >>when we attended a celebrity basketball game that Dean was playing in [yes, >>Marilyn, I know!]), they say "look, there's Clark!" They'd still watch >>with me, but currently, due to our lack of DST in Phoenix, 5:00 a.m. is a >>little early for them! >> >>Vicki >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nicole Wolke [mailto:NKWolke@T-ONLINE.DE] >>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:30 AM >>To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >>Subject: Re: A writer's (and a six year old's) view of "The Source" >> >>Aw, Kathy, thanks for sharing that with us! I'd love to hear more of >>your daughter's comments on L&C! You think she's going to like the >>romance? :-) >> >>Nicole >> >>-- >>AKA CKgroupie on IRC/AIM > >NKWolke@t-online.de > >"The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:10:03 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carolyn, I read (and loved!) your Psychic series and I never even considered calling Judith a Mary Sue character. Tara ------------------------ I'm starting a Procrastinators Anonymous group . . . I'm going to get started on it tomorrow. No, really! Brigadier General StarKitty Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri www.stargate-sg1.com http://www.geocities.com/thestarkitty/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Schnall" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters > Hi Shadowfax:) > > >On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:26:23 -0400, Carolyn Schnall > > wrote: > > > >>So you have not read any Mary Sue stories in L&C fanfic? I guess you > >>have not read my Psychic series:) > > > >Actually, Carolyn, yes I have - and if that's an example of a Mary Sue, > >then you can knock me down with a feather! I thought that your Judith > >Stone was just an original character that you put into your story . > >Based on what I'd been reading about Star Trek Mary Sues, I guess I had a > >very different picture of what a Mary Sue character is. > > You read my work!!!!!!! Wow:) > > Yes, Judith is an original character but according to my > understanding, and based on my personal knowledge of the source of > the character, namely me I think she fits the Mary Sue > definition. And as an old Trekker, I think it still applies:) > > Besides, I was writing fanfiction at the age of 10 (before it was > even called that) and almost always, it was in the Mary Sue mode. > For instance, if I was writing about the Man From UNCLE, a ten year > old female spy was the one who helped Napoleon and Illya (sp?) solve > a problem in a way that no one but this ten year old girl could. If > that's not a Mary Sue, I don't know what it......:) > > When I started to write my Psychic stories, my brother, who is my > editor, was quick to point out that I had a discrepancy in the way I > wrote her. Judith ends up being around the same age as Clark and > Lois (actually slightly younger) but I had put in a number of > references which would make her appear older, closer to my age. I > had to make a choice and she became younger so that when Lois is > jealous of her, it is more believable. Still, Judith helps Clark as > a psychic in a way that no other person could...:) > > > > > >>I always thoughts that Mary Sue in this context meant a character > >>very like the female author who writes herself into the story in a > >>meaningful way but does not change cannon. I never thought she was > >>meant to be perfect, just useful to the hero in some particular > >>instance or manner..... > >> > > > >From the description of Mary Sue characters on those websites, it almost > >sounds like any original character of the same sex could wind up being > >considered a Mary Sue . > > Yes, I would agree with that:) > > > > >Now that I've searched all over the place to find out what a Mary Sue > >character is, I've realized that one of my first fanfics was a Mary Sue > >story. > > > >Shadowfax > > LOL!!! Surprise:) > > Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:34:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Tara:) >Carolyn, > >I read (and loved!) your Psychic series How nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So glad you liked it:) > and I never even considered calling >Judith a Mary Sue character. > >Tara >------------------------ >I'm starting a Procrastinators Anonymous group . . . I'm going to get >started on it tomorrow. No, really! > >Brigadier General StarKitty > Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue > Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri >www.stargate-sg1.com I'm really glad that she didn't end up "annoying" like Mary Sue usually does then:) I read one of yours and howled:) Carolyn >http://www.geocities.com/thestarkitty/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carolyn Schnall" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:01 PM >Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters > > >> Hi Shadowfax:) >> >> >On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:26:23 -0400, Carolyn Schnall >> > wrote: >> > >> >>So you have not read any Mary Sue stories in L&C fanfic? I guess you >> >>have not read my Psychic series:) >> > >> >Actually, Carolyn, yes I have - and if that's an example of a Mary Sue, >> >then you can knock me down with a feather! I thought that your Judith >> >Stone was just an original character that you put into your story . >> >Based on what I'd been reading about Star Trek Mary Sues, I guess I had a >> >very different picture of what a Mary Sue character is. >> >> You read my work!!!!!!! Wow:) >> >> Yes, Judith is an original character but according to my >> understanding, and based on my personal knowledge of the source of >> the character, namely me I think she fits the Mary Sue >> definition. And as an old Trekker, I think it still applies:) >> >> Besides, I was writing fanfiction at the age of 10 (before it was >> even called that) and almost always, it was in the Mary Sue mode. >> For instance, if I was writing about the Man From UNCLE, a ten year >> old female spy was the one who helped Napoleon and Illya (sp?) solve >> a problem in a way that no one but this ten year old girl could. If >> that's not a Mary Sue, I don't know what it......:) >> >> When I started to write my Psychic stories, my brother, who is my >> editor, was quick to point out that I had a discrepancy in the way I >> wrote her. Judith ends up being around the same age as Clark and >> Lois (actually slightly younger) but I had put in a number of >> references which would make her appear older, closer to my age. I >> had to make a choice and she became younger so that when Lois is >> jealous of her, it is more believable. Still, Judith helps Clark as >> a psychic in a way that no other person could...:) > > > > > > > > >>I always thoughts that Mary Sue in this context meant a character > > >>very like the female author who writes herself into the story in a > > >>meaningful way but does not change cannon. I never thought she was >> >>meant to be perfect, just useful to the hero in some particular >> >>instance or manner..... >> >> >> > >> >From the description of Mary Sue characters on those websites, it almost >> >sounds like any original character of the same sex could wind up being >> >considered a Mary Sue . >> >> Yes, I would agree with that:) >> >> > >> >Now that I've searched all over the place to find out what a Mary Sue >> >character is, I've realized that one of my first fanfics was a Mary Sue >> >story. >> > >> >Shadowfax >> >> LOL!!! Surprise:) >> >> Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:49:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:01:38 -0400, Carolyn Schnall wrote: > >You read my work!!!!!!! Wow:) LOL!! I had never heard of Mary Sue characters when I first read Psychic, and I guess I always thought of it in the context of some of the series fiction I've read. They always seem to bring in new characters after they've run out of stories to tell about the old. For example, in the early Tarzan novels, the stories focused on Tarzan and his wife and son. In later novels, though, new characters were brought in for every novel, and the stories focused on them, with Tarzan sometimes not doing a whole lot more than rescuing everyone when they inevitably got into trouble . So I always thought of your Psychic in that context, even after I started hearing about Mary Sue stories. And even now, after your assurances that Judith is really Mary Sue, she's nothing like the character I pictured. :) > >Yes, Judith is an original character but according to my >understanding, and based on my personal knowledge of the source of >the character, namely me I think she fits the Mary Sue >definition. And as an old Trekker, I think it still applies:) > Well, if she's a Mary Sue, she's a darn good one! Your characterizations of Lois and yummy Clark are good, too. >Besides, I was writing fanfiction at the age of 10 (before it was >even called that) and almost always, it was in the Mary Sue mode. >For instance, if I was writing about the Man From UNCLE, a ten year >old female spy was the one who helped Napoleon and Illya (sp?) solve >a problem in a way that no one but this ten year old girl could. If >that's not a Mary Sue, I don't know what it......:) Speaking of yummmm, how 'bout that Illya? It's nice to know that there was a fellow female spy out there. Were you brave when the bad guys tortured you for information about Napoleon and Illya? I was. ;-) > >When I started to write my Psychic stories, my brother, who is my >editor, was quick to point out that I had a discrepancy in the way I >wrote her. Judith ends up being around the same age as Clark and >Lois (actually slightly younger) but I had put in a number of >references which would make her appear older, closer to my age. I >had to make a choice and she became younger so that when Lois is >jealous of her, it is more believable. ROTFL!! Kind of like Lois's apartment moving from floor to floor. ;-) Thanks for sharing. It's nice to know what a Mary Sue story is . . . and to realize that I've written one myself. Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:31:38 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ursula Bento Subject: smile! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! I liked those court jokes so much I thought you guys would also grin = reading these outrageous sports quotes. Seeing that Dean almost became a = professional sportsman himself. Luckily for us FoLCs he turned to acting = instead. And check out that Metro Radio! It actually does exists. Weird = don't you think? By the way, I think some I.Q. tests are in order = here... read and...well....=20 LOL, Ursie "I owe a lot to my parents, especially my mother and father"=20 (Greg Norman)=20 "I've never had major knee surgery on any other part of my body"=20 (Winston Bennett)=20 "This is Gregoriava from Bulgaria. I saw her snatch this morning, and it = was=20 amazing"=20 (Pat Glenn, weightlifting commentator)=20 "This is really a lovely horse. I once rode her mother"=20 (Ted Walsh, horse racing commentator)=20 "The racecourse is as level as a billiard ball"=20 (John Francombe)=20 "The lead car is absolutely unique, except for the one behind it, which = is=20 identical"=20 (Murray Walker)=20 "Sure there have been injuries and deaths in boxing - but none of them=20 serious"=20 (Alan Minter)=20 "If history repeats itself, I think we can expect the same thing to = happen=20 again"=20 (Terry Venables)=20 "He dribbles a lot and the opposition don't like it; you=20 can see it all over their faces"=20 (Ron Atkinson)=20 "Ah, isn't that nice, the wife of the Cambridge President is kissing the = cox=20 of the Oxford crew"=20 (Harry Carpenter - BBC TV Boat Race, 1977)=20 "Well, either side could win it, or it could be a draw."=20 (Ron Atkinson)=20 "Julian Dicks is everywhere. It's like they have eleven Dicks on the = field"=20 (Metro Radio)=20 "What will you do when you leave football, Jack, will you stay in = football?"=20 (Stuart Hall, Radio 5 Live)=20 "There goes Juantorena down the back straight, opening his legs and = showing=20 his class"=20 (David Coleman at the Montreal Olympics)=20 "One of the reasons Arnie (Arnold Palmer) is playing so well is that, = before=20 each tee-shot, his wife takes out his balls and kisses them...... Oh my = God,=20 what have=20 I just said? "=20 (US TV commentator Sandi)=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:37:04 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All... I won't bore you too much with my exciting life , but I will apologize that this link is coming out a day late. Zoom, I'm sincerely sorry. I had the great privelege of seeing Seven-Mary-Three, Train, and Matchbox Twenty last night... the site completely slipped my mind. I'm a bad web-type-person :( Okay... apologies aside... the author you've all been waiting for is up and ready. In addition, she chose MY favorite story to tell us about (coincidence, but I'm thrilled anyway). This is the first person a lot of people think of when they're contemplaing Lois and Clark, and certainly one of the very best authors in our fandom or any other! You are all in for a terrific treat today... and it may even be worth waiting one extra day for! Come by the site, and find out what Zoomway was thinking when she wrote: Always Something There To Remind Me Enjoy! -Crys- Manager, The Author's Mind... Come take a look into the Author's Mind at: www.geocities.com/authorsmind/main.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:58:50 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Fic Question: Lois's chocolate place MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/27/01 5:26:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, erink@IDA.NET writes: > Does anyone remember the name of the chocolate > place Lois frequented? Fudge Castle was mentioned... --Laurie (a chocoholic) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:38:15 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Fic Question: Lois's chocolate place In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Fudge Castle was mentioned... > > --Laurie (a chocoholic) LOL! Glad there are so many of you out there. Thanks, Laurie, as well as Labbie and Vicki, for your quick responses. Now that that little piece of trivia is out of the way, I can finish the last few paragraphs and get this fanfic posted. Thanks guys! Erin (whose very glad to be back on line ) __________________ erink@ida.net erink@lcfanfic.com Visit my Lois & Clark/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:45:23 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: OT: I'm back to the land of technology :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit great - glad you're back merry Erin Klingler wrote: > Hi everyone :) > > Just a quick note to say that I have my computer back from being fixed (I think > they pretty much replaced everything in it ), and I'm now back on-line. Yay. > :))) I was seriously going through withdrawls there for a while, but I'm sure > I'll recover. > > Looking forward to chatting with you all once again, > > Erin > __________________ > erink@ida.net > erink@lcfanfic.com > Visit my Lois & Clark/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek > ***** > "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." > __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:51:35 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Meredith Knight Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823183822.00a10d80@actcom.co.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Catching up a little late... Hazel wrote >Shadowfax wrote: >>Have there been many LnC stories that have Mary Sue or Harry Sue >>characters in them? > >Not really, no. There have been some likeable original characters, of >course, but there are very few LnC fics where the OC upstages LnC. I seem to have read one or two stories with a Harry Sue in them... Harry Sue Wilson, I think he was called. Great fashion sense. Maybe the fact that L&C fanfic has an established self-parody mechanism makes Mary Sue characters less likely? -- Meredith Knight ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:12:41 -0700 Reply-To: Nancy Smith Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Schnall" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters > Hi Tara:) > > >Carolyn, > > > >I read (and loved!) your Psychic series > > > How nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So glad you liked it:) > > > and I never even considered calling > >Judith a Mary Sue character. > > > >Tara > >------------------------ > >I'm starting a Procrastinators Anonymous group . . . I'm going to get > >started on it tomorrow. No, really! > > > >Brigadier General StarKitty > > Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue > > Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri > >www.stargate-sg1.com > > I'm really glad that she didn't end up "annoying" like Mary Sue > usually does then:) Nope, not annoying. I thought she was cool :) > I read one of yours and howled:) Thanks :) > > Carolyn > Tara ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:43:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops, I keep forgetting my email thing has Mom's email set up on it (set to not pick it up!) but sometimes Outlook Express sends things out under the wrong name :( Tara (really, cross my heart it's me! ;) ------------------------ I'm starting a Procrastinators Anonymous group . . . I'm going to get started on it tomorrow. No, really! Brigadier General StarKitty Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri www.stargate-sg1.com http://www.geocities.com/thestarkitty/ ICQ: 40739331 jilectan@hotmail.com starkitty__@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn Schnall" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters > > > > Hi Tara:) > > > > >Carolyn, > > > > > >I read (and loved!) your Psychic series > > > > > > How nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So glad you liked it:) > > > > > and I never even considered calling > > >Judith a Mary Sue character. > > > > > >Tara > > >------------------------ > > >I'm starting a Procrastinators Anonymous group . . . I'm going to get > > >started on it tomorrow. No, really! > > > > > >Brigadier General StarKitty > > > Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue > > > Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri > > >www.stargate-sg1.com > > > > I'm really glad that she didn't end up "annoying" like Mary Sue > > usually does then:) > > Nope, not annoying. I thought she was cool :) > > > I read one of yours and howled:) > > Thanks :) > > > > Carolyn > > > > Tara ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:22:32 +0930 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Kaye Subject: Re: Fic Question: Lois's chocolate place In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Fudge Castle? ~Larissa~ Hi all :) > >I'm finishing up the very last scene of my fanfic >, but I need to know something. Does anyone remember the name of the >chocolate >place Lois frequented? I think it was mentioned in first season when she >(and the >others) discovered their budgets were being cut. I think she said >something like >she was going to go there, and on her own money. :) Anyone remember the >name? >Or was there a different place later on in the series? > >Thanks! > >Erin >__________________ >erink@ida.net >erink@lcfanfic.com >Visit my Lois & Clark/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek > ***** >"It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." >__________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:38:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Valley of the Shadow, 15/17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here you go! Hubby's work schedule changed so I have the chance to post today! COmments appreciated! CM ***** >From part 14: Lois finally spoke. "Clark, there's something I have to know." "Anything." "Did you really believe that I could abort our child?" ***** Part 15: Clark sighed. "I never wanted to, but all the evidence I had pointed that way. Your mom's message, the emails, what your mom told Lucy, the pamphlets and appointment card from the Reproductive Clinic. I didn't know how I could think otherwise." "Pamphlets from the Clinic?" "Yeah. There was one in your drawer at work. I couldn't stay home the next day so I went in to work and sat at your desk for a few minutes. I kinda poked around and found this brochure for the Metropolis Reproductive Services and Clinic. I just thought maybe you had heard something about them doing something illegal or something and were going to investigate. Perry didn't know anything about it so I just blew it off. It wasn't until I got the email from you and talked to Jimmy and Lucy that it meant anything." Clark stood and started pacing the room. "That was the first day that Superman was back. I had never been so grateful for a couple of natural disaster in my life. I didn't want to have to think about you or the baby or what I thought had happened. When I got home, I was going to make myself a cup of tea and found another pamphlet. This one was just about abortions. There was a card stapled to it that said you had made an appointment for that Monday and that you had actually made the appointment the week before. What was I supposed to think? It looked like you had called and decided to have an abortion without even talking to me. I didn't understand how you could do that." "That's because I didn't. Clark, I have never looked into the Clinic for any reason." "There was no reason for me to believe otherwise, though." "I guess I can see that. But Clark, why wouldn't you just come to me? To talk to me?" "Your emails made it pretty clear you wanted nothing to do me." "Ah, back to the emails." "Which we're supposed to leave to the partners in crime." "Right." Clark stared at the floor for several minutes, unable to bring himself to look at his wife. "Did they say what happened? Why the baby..." Lois shook her head. "The doctor said he thought it was the stress and everything I went through finding you, but he really didn't know for sure." Clark turned the events of that fateful weekend over in his mind. Something occurred to him, something horrid. "Lois, were you ever exposed to the Kryptonite?" "Sure." Lois shrugged. "I was in that loft for 12 hours or so. That guy came every two hours or so, so I must have been there when he opened the case 6 or 7 times. But Kryptonite doesn't affect humans, Clark." "The baby was only half human, Lois. The baby was also half Kryptonian. How long do you think you were exposed?" "Not all that long. A few minutes here and there." Lois' hand covered her mouth. "Oh, God. The cramps. They all happened within a few minutes of being exposed. I never made the connection. I thought it was just from being upset about seeing you getting beat up. It really is my fault. I killed our baby." Fresh tears started to flow down her cheeks. Clark quickly reached out and drew her close. "No, Lois. There was no way you could have known how the Kryptonite would affect the baby. If it's anyone's fault it's mine. It's only because I'm different that it affected the baby at all." Lois offered no argument, not because she believed what he said but because she couldn't hear him over her sobs. It was some time before they both were able to compose themselves. Lois pulled away from her husband. "What have we done, Clark?" "What do you mean?" "What have we done? We've let so many weeks slip by without even trying to really reach out to each other. We've let *someone* destroy our marriage and our lives without ever asking why." "I don't know. Something went wrong, that's for sure." They sat there for a few more minutes. "Can we fix it?" "I don't know if we can." Clark took a deep breath before he asked his other question. "Do you want to?" Lois looked at him and he saw the love that shone from her eyes. She reached up and put one hand on his cheek. "Clark, I love you. I have always loved you. Since the beginning of time, there has never been anyone but you for me. I think I knew that the moment I saw you standing by that elevator in Washington." "Are you sure, Lois? I've made some pretty big mistakes in the last couple of months." "You aren't the only one. I never should have let my mom take me to her apartment. I should have made her take me home and watch over me there. And then of course, there was Lex. Nothing ever happened with us, Clark. He hit on me all the time, took me and my mom out to dinner, then mom started making excuses. He was called out of the country about a week ago and since then, everything has been different." Clark had a hard time listening to her talk about Lex. "What do you mean?" Lois stood and started walking around the room. "I mean, he came by my mom's the first night I was there. Mom said he had a friend who worked at the hospital and that's how he knew. It was really weird. He brought me food all the time and other presents, but even though it never felt right, I couldn't turn him down. I wanted to, but I just couldn't. I had this weird attraction to him that I couldn't explain. I still can't. But ever since he left... I didn't hear from him for a couple of days and then a box showed up at my apartment. I was tempted to open it, but I didn't. I threw it away. I've talked to him a couple of times since and noticed things I never have before." "Like what?" "Like the way he would word things. It was almost like they were orders posed as requests and he knew I would do what he wanted. The only thing I hadn't done was sign the... the divorce papers that his lawyer drew up. He wasn't very happy about that at all." "*He* drew up the divorce papers?" Of all the gall... "When I saw them..." "When did you see them?" A startled Lois looked at Clark. She hadn't wanted him to find out they even existed. "That night I knocked on your window. They were on the coffee table." "That was the night that he brought them by. That's why I was crying so hard." "I still checked on you every night, you know." Lois nodded. "I know. I could feel it." "But you never signed them?" Lois nodded again. "Something in me wanted to, to make Lex happy, but deep down, I knew I never could. If there was going to be a divorce, you would have to file the papers." "I never wanted us to end, Lois." "I know that now, but I didn't then. You hadn't been there for me when our baby... when our baby died. What was I supposed to think?" She looked at Clark and he shrugged. "I guess this has just been the most colossal misunderstanding in the history of the world. But, anyway, when I talked to Lex earlier this week, I didn't tell him I had thrown out all of the things that had arrived since he left. Something's changed. I can't describe it, but something has." Lois looked at her husband, sitting on that big, king-sized bed, and despite everything they had been through was almost over come by the urge to push him over and kiss him like she used to. She noticed the frown on his face. "What is it, Clark?" "Do you still have anything that he gave you?" "I think so. I think there's some cake in the fridge from last month. You know how I am about cleaning out the fridge. Why?" "I'm just wondering. Did anything you ate taste, well, off?" Lois thought about it. "Now that you mention it, yes. You know that chocolate cake from Antonio's that I love?" Clark nodded. "I had some there yesterday and it was as wonderful as I remembered. But whenever Lex brought it, it tasted a little, well, off. I just thought it was because it was takeout. And he brought me some of those truffles, like the ones you flew to Belgium to get, and they tasted kinda funny, too." She shrugged. "What do you think?" "I think, and I can't really say why or prove it, we'd have to look into it more, but I think that Lex may have been giving you some kind of psychotropic drug that made you susceptible to certain kinds of suggestions." "Suggestions like finding him attractive and wanting nothing to do with you?" "Right. I'd like to see that stuff. Maybe I can see or smell something to prove the theory. I love you, Lois, but you haven't been yourself lately. I mean, when was the last time Superman had to rescue you? Or the last time you actually did some investigating?" "You're right. I've been wondering what's wrong with me. That could be it. Some kind of drug to alter my state of mind." "I think he's the one who had us thrown out of the baseball game, too." "What do you mean?" "That game we were at about a week after this all started. Jimmy and I got thrown out of the game." "Really? I thought you left because I was there and you didn't want to see me or something." Clark sighed. "Actually, I had made up my mind to enjoy the game even with you there, but next thing we knew, we were being escorted out. We argued but they made us leave." "What a slimeball." Lois had a hard time accepting he could have pulled the wool over her eyes for so long. "I know and I promise we'll look into it soon." He cocked his head to one side. Lois had seen that look so many times before. She sighed. She should have known they'd never make it through the night without an interruption. "Go." Clark looked puzzled. "Go where?" "I've seen that look before. What is it? Bank robbery or natural disaster?" Clark moved to her side. One hand cradled her face as he kissed her forehead lightly. "Nothing is taking me from here tonight. The world will just have to survive without Superman for a while. He has more important things to do. Like try to patch up his marriage." "So what did you hear then?" Clark smiled. "Lucy and Jimmy and Perry. They're trying to decide if now would be a good time to have dinner sent up." Lois laughed. Clark's smile turned into the thousand watt miracle that had the power to light up any room and make Lois' heart do flip flops. "I haven't heard you laugh in ages. That is a very nice sound." Lois moved into his embrace. "I haven't laughed in forever." They stood there, relishing the feel of each other. "I've missed you, Clark." "I've missed you, too, Lois. More than you'll ever know." "Does this mean we've made up?" "I think so." "Should we tell them?" It was Clark's turn to laugh. "No, I think we should let them sweat it out for a while longer. Besides, as long as Perry's picking up the tab, we should enjoy the dinner." Lois laughed along with him. She rested her chin on his chest and looked up into his eyes. "Dinner sounds good." Clark's voice was husky as he replied. "I'd really like to kiss you right now, Lois." Her voice matched his. "I'd really like you to." "Are you sure?" Lois tried to nod against his chest. Clark didn't have to move far as Lois' raised her lips to meet his. She tasted salty from the tears she had shed over the last few hours, but nothing could have been sweeter. He wrapped his arms around her back, one hand cradling her neck. He felt her melt against him, arms winding around his neck until they found their way into his hair. Nothing had ever felt so good. Lois felt exactly the same way. To be held and kissed by her husband was something she never thought she'd experience again and she wanted to record every detail in her mind. She tried desperately to remain conscious of what was happening so she could remember later, but her mind went numb as she felt the hard muscles of Clark's well-defined chest underneath her hands as she reached up to pull him a little closer. As the kiss deepened, she groaned slightly, unable to maintain anything resembling cognition in her brain. There was no demand to his touch, no hint that he would push for more than she was ready for. Just like he always had. He kissed her for the sake of the kiss, like he always had, waiting for her to indicate that she was ready for something more intimate, and yet knowing that he wanted her as much as she wanted him. Two parts of her battled against each other. One part wanted nothing more than to abandon all thought, all rationality, in Clark's arms, kissing Clark's lips, and losing herself in the all-consuming passion that they were so capable of. The other part of her tried to remind her that this was the same man who was able to believe the worst about her and that she should make him prove he was capable of her trust before allowing herself back into his bed. The first part of her mind was starting to win out and she could tell Clark was losing the same struggle when there came a knock at the door. Clark groaned as he pulled his lips from those of his wife. He wasn't sure when or how, but Lois held his glasses in one of the hands around his neck. He looked towards the front door. His voice was soft as he told her what he saw. "I guess they decided." Lois was having a hard time concentrating on his words, as close as his lips still were. "Who decided what?" she asked in tones as soft as his. "They decided it was time for dinner." "What if I don't want any?" Her stomach chose that moment to rumble. Clark laughed as he took his glasses and started towards the door. He looked back at her as he went into the living room. "Don't want them to think things are going too well. I'd love to see what else they've cooked up to get us back together." He closed the door to the bedroom with a wink. He quickly crossed to the front door of the suite. He thanked the man for dinner and tipped him well. He made sure that the man was still in earshot as he called, "Lois, dinner's here. If you're hungry." Lois giggled as she walked out of the other room. "What'd they send?" Clark looked under the silver top. He raised one eyebrow and smiled as he looked at her. "Pasta." ***** "What do you think, Chief?" "I think it's dang hard to tell." Perry set down the binoculars he was using to scope out the honeymoon suite a few floors above him across the hotel. He was grateful that the suite was in the inside part of the "V" shape that made up the Hilton. It made the attempt at surveillance less impossible, but certainly not easy. Lucy napped on one of the double beds in the room they were using as their headquarters. "The busboy who took dinner up said the bedroom door was closed and that Lois was nowhere to be seen." Jimmy repeated the information that a good tip had wrangled from the young man. "He also said Clark looked rumpled." Perry shrugged. "That doesn't mean anything. He may have been laying on the couch or something." Jimmy sighed as he picked up the binoculars Perry was no longer using. "There are still lights on in both rooms." "That doesn't mean anything either." "How long are we going to stay here?" "As long as it takes." "When do you think we'll know?" Perry couldn't suppress a grin. "Well, Clark hasn't hit the pavement yet, so that's a good sign." Jimmy chuckled at the thought of CK being thrown over the balcony by Lois, plummeting down through the air, arms and legs flailing. "She may not be terribly fond of him right now, but I don't think even Lois would stoop that low." "You never know, son. You never know." ***** TBC ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:21:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:12:21 -0500, Shadow Fax wrote: >IIRC, there was an ep in early S2 where Lois took a handful of candy from a >candy jar in the newsroom, and then started picking candy out of her hand >and putting it back into the jar. Does anyone remember in what ep that >happened? I think it was Operation Blackout, but it may be Metallo. I don't recall the scene in question, but I took a look through my scripts for both OB and Metallo, and didn't find it. (I did a search on "candy" and "jar" and both came up negative.) When skimming through Metallo (ok, ok, it's one of my favorite episodes, so sue me ), though, I found this scene that didn't make it into the episode. I thought you all might enjoy it. :) It's near the end, after Lois and Jimmy save Clark, and Superman defeats Johnny Corbin. This is in the newsroom: 66 INT. DAILY PLANET - DAY #5 66 Lois and a somber Lucy sip coffee at a table in the coffee area. LUCY I know he was all wrong for me but... I still can't help feeling I'm going to miss him. Lois puts a comforting hand on Lucy's arm, then... LOIS Did you talk to mom and dad? LUCY This morning. Dad's okay. But after mom heard we were all right the first thing she brought up was the grandchild issue. LOIS Well, considering our track record with men, she better prepare for a (X) long wait. (laughs) I thought falling for the city's biggest criminal was bad. I think bringing home a robot would have topped that. LUCY Don't act so superior. You're whipped for an alien from another planet. Before Lois can respond, Clark approaches. LUCY (CONT'D) Hi, Clark. Boy, for a guy who went through what you did yesterday, you look terrific. CLARK Well, I've... always been a fast healer. So, I guess I really owe you two. LOIS Clark, you know I'm not the type to keep score. LUCY Since when? Clark smiles and moves off to the coffee machine as... LOIS (to Lucy) Don't you have to get to work. LUCY (smiles; rising) Yeah. I'll talk to you later. (sotto to Lois) You know, he's awfully cute. if you ask me, you oughta get over this Superman thing and chase that (X) bus. LOIS Nobody asked you. Good-bye. As Lucy exits to the elevators, Lois catches up to Clark on the way into the bullpen. >>>>>>>>> And we seque into what we saw on screen, with Clark thanking Lois for saving him and the two of them looking deeply into each other's eyes for a moment ... (excuse me while I WAFF ;)). I have to say, I really enjoy looking through these scripts, especially right after I've seen the episode. There were several scenes in HoL, for example, that we never saw -- at least one of which would require the rewrite of a lot of fanfic scenes. (OK, I won't keep you hanging -- the script has Clark knowing that Lois said "I can't" at the altar. :)) And I may be dense, but until I read the script, I had no idea that Superman was throwing himself against the bars of the K cage in order to move it closer to the key on the floor ... I could never figure out why the heck he was doing that. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:25:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: OT: Pregnant sis-in-law Let us know about the blessed event, Tara -- is this Nan's first grandchild? Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:31:18 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: OT: Pregnant sis-in-law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is grandchild #3. They have a four year old boy and a two year old girl.. Both and this baby, too, are unexpected . We haven't gotten any word yet, but we're waiting with bated breath. Nan Kathy Brown wrote: > Let us know about the blessed event, Tara -- is this Nan's first grandchild? > > Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:08:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:21:10 -0500, Kathy Brown wrote: >I don't recall the scene in question, but I took a look through my scripts >for both OB and Metallo, and didn't find it. (I did a search on "candy" and >"jar" and both came up negative.) Thanks for looking for it, Kathy. :) > >When skimming through Metallo (ok, ok, it's one of my favorite episodes, so >sue me ), though, I found this scene that didn't make it into the episode. >I thought you all might enjoy it. :) > --snip Metallo scene with Lucy and Clark -- That's really cool! I love Lucy's advice to Lois . Thanks for sharing with us! Do you have many other interesting scenes that ended up on the cutting room floor? If so, I'd love to hear about them. :-) > >>>>>>>>>> > >And we seque into what we saw on screen, with Clark thanking Lois for saving >him and the two of them looking deeply into each other's eyes for a moment >... (excuse me while I WAFF ;)). Me, too. (happy sigh :) > >I have to say, I really enjoy looking through these scripts, especially right >after I've seen the episode. There were several scenes in HoL, for example, >that we never saw -- at least one of which would require the rewrite of a lot >of fanfic scenes. (OK, I won't keep you hanging -- the script has Clark >knowing that Lois said "I can't" at the altar. :)) And I may be dense, but >until I read the script, I had no idea that Superman was throwing himself >against the bars of the K cage in order to move it closer to the key on the >floor ... I could never figure out why the heck he was doing that. > LOL! I never knew why he was doing that, either. It looked like he was doing it out of sheer frustration. Glad to have that cleared up. :-) Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:14:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: smile! ROTFL!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:31:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:37:04 EDT, Crystal Wimmer wrote: Another enjoyable interview, Crys! I'm so glad you set up this website. >In addition, she chose MY favorite story to tell us about >(coincidence, but I'm thrilled anyway). My favorite, too. :-) Do you usually find that your personal pick is *not* the author's personal pick, Crys? For me, most of the time the author's favorite is mine, too, but not always. (How can you choose, anyway, from among so many good ones?) I had a hard time deciding between Tryst and In Any Universe for Pam, but in the end I agreed with Tryst. (I almost changed my mind, though, when I thought about that line in Fate Worse than Death that always cracks me up: "Martha, get the bat." What "Superman got stuck in an elevator" is to Hazel, "Martha, get the bat" is to me. It gets me every time. :) How about everyone else? Is the authors' pick their own personal favorite? Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:31:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:08:17 -0500, Shadow Fax wrote: > I had no idea that Superman was throwing himself >>against the bars of the K cage in order to move it closer to the key on the >>floor > >LOL! I never knew why he was doing that, either. It looked like he was >doing it out of sheer frustration. Glad to have that cleared up. :-) Oh, good, I thought it was just me. As for other spare scenes, I just found a cute one in "Church of Metropolis", which was on this morning ... I'll post it under another subject name. :) Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:33:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar MIME-version: 1.0 Kathy, are these scripts available online?? I'd love to read some of the original ones. I know I've asked others about this before, but I never seem to get beyond asking to actually find (and READ) any! Thanks. :) Vicki -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Brown [mailto:kathybrown91@HOME.COM] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 8:32 AM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:08:17 -0500, Shadow Fax wrote: > I had no idea that Superman was throwing himself >>against the bars of the K cage in order to move it closer to the key on the >>floor > >LOL! I never knew why he was doing that, either. It looked like he was >doing it out of sheer frustration. Glad to have that cleared up. :-) Oh, good, I thought it was just me. As for other spare scenes, I just found a cute one in "Church of Metropolis", which was on this morning ... I'll post it under another subject name. :) Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:48:13 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/01 11:10:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, shadowfax27@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > I had no idea that Superman was throwing himself > >against the bars of the K cage in order to move it closer to the key on the > >floor ... I could never figure out why the heck he was doing that. > > > > LOL! I never knew why he was doing that, either. It looked like he was > doing it out of sheer frustration. Glad to have that cleared up. :-) > Well, I feel extremely intelligent now ;)....I knew that was what he was doing! Kate ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:41:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Missing scenes from "Church of Metropolis" Since today's episode was "Church of Metropolis", I decided to go through the script to see if I could spot any additional scenes like I found in other episodes, and found a few cute ones. I hope you enjoy seeing them as much as I did. :) The main one was a "sandwich" section that we didn't get to see -- the end of one scene and the beginning of the next, which were either cut out or never flimed. If you'll recall, after Clark and Lois argue about whether Mayson is dirty or not, Clark goes to Smallville to talk to his parents about it. I've indicated what we saw on screen at the appropriate places. CLARK Yeah. I think. Well, that's the other weird part. See, she likes me -- I mean, Clark -- but she hates Superman. Which is kind of confusing because Lois loves Superman but only likes Clark and Mayson likes Clark in a way that's different than Lois but hates Superman in a way that's different from anybody. MARTHA Oh, sweetie, I was afraid this might happen someday. CLARK What? MARTHA You've started talking about yourself in the third person. It's all the pressure. That's why I've started taking those psych classes... and not a moment too soon. JONATHAN Martha, lighten up. The boy's got two gorgeous women after him. This doesn't rank high in the list of world problems. CLARK That's true, Dad, except don't forget, Mayson might be an agent of Intergang. JONATHAN Well... nobody's perfect, son. How about another piece of pie? {{{ This is where the scene in the episode ends. Gotta love the look Martha and Clark give him there. }}}} CLARK No, thanks. MARTHA Oh, Clark, your life is so complicated sometimes. (pushes the hair off his forehead) I watch you trying so hard to figure everything out, like when you were a little boy, taking Dad's new tractor apart and bending the axles into pretzels... remember? JONATHAN Who could forget? Try explaining that one to the insurance company. MARTHA I know you and Lois have had your ups and downs but I also know she really cares about you. Maybe just as a friend, maybe as something more, you two're going to have to figure that out. And this Mayson girl, well, if you're wondering about whether you can trust someone, isn't the simplest way just to come out and ask them? CLARK Thanks, Mom. 59 INT. DAILY PLANET - PERRY'S OFFICE - NIGHT #3 59 Cartons of takeout. Lois is slumped across from Perry's desk. PERRY ... so think of it as a jungle river, exotic but treacherous -- LOIS Is this the 'reach for a mango, get your arm ripped off by a jaguar' speech? PERRY Oh, you heard that one? LOIS When I was dating Lex. PERRY How about, make yourself a rarity? (she nods) Huh. Well, those are my best ones. I guess I'm fresh outta front porch wisdom, so we're just gonna have to talk. You seemed pretty upset after that blowout with Clark. {{{ This is where the scene we see starts, with Perry saying "You seem pretty upset after that blowout with Clark." The 'mango and jaguar' thing is a story we see him telling Jimmy, earlier. Pretty funny that he told it to Lois when she was dating Lex. }}}} LOIS Perry, he's letting his feelings for a woman get in the way of our story. PERRY And...? LOIS And... it's unprofessional and I think it's getting in the way of our story... PERRY And...? LOIS And... I don't like it, okay? I don't even know why but I don't like it. PERRY Lois, let me tell you what I know about Clark Kent: if you asked for the moon, held start building a rocket. Now, Clark's a nice man but when you get right down to it, a nice man is still just a man. OK, that's the biggest one. There were some other lines here and there, which were kind of interesting. For example, when Mayson asks Clark out in his apartment, he hestitates longer than we see him do on the show before accepting: MAYSON Would you like to have lunch? CLARK To talk about the case? MAYSON No. CLARK Oh. (as he mulls) Huh... MAYSON Try and cap that wild enthusiasm. CLARK No, it's not that, you just caught me a little off guard but... yeah, lunch sounds good. MAYSON I'll call you. He nods, reaches for the knob and she leans forward and kisses him on the lips just as -- Lois appears in the window next to the door as she's about to knock. She sees the kiss and it stops her cold. It's brief but on the lips. Lois ducks out of sight as Mayson walks out before Clark can really respond. He takes a breath. CLARK Whoa. (Boy am I glad they cut out that "Whoa". ) And Mayson also does even more sniping at Superman on the courthouse steps when she first meets him: 35A EXT. COURTHOUSE - DAY 35A Superman emerges with Mayson. MAYSON (all business, with a little ice) Thanks for the statement, we'll be in touch if we need you. SUPERMAN I just want you to know, Ms. Drake, whatever I can do to help the DA's office -- MAYSON Like I said, we'll be in touch. SUPERMAN I'd be more than willing to testify against Baby Rage. MAYSON I don't think so. SUPERMAN Ms. Drake, have I done something to offend you? MAYSON No, but I have to admit, I've never much liked the idea of you. SUPERMAN I don't follow... MAYSON Do you have a license to chase criminals? (before he can answer) Do you ever read them their rights? Are you insured if you hurt someone? You know how much paperwork you make for my office? And where am I supposed to get a hold of you to come in for despositions? Where do you live, do you work, who are you? SUPERMAN I can't tell you that... MAYSON Exactly. You see, I hate secrets. And mystery men scare me almost as much as they bore me. She stops to confer with a COLLEAGUE, leaving Superman a little bemused: SUPERMAN This is just not my day. Youch! Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:50:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:33:06 -0700, Vicki Krell wrote: >Kathy, are these scripts available online?? I'd love to read some of the >original ones. I know I've asked others about this before, but I never seem >to get beyond asking to actually find (and READ) any! I have heard that there are some on-line, but I couldn't tell you where. I also know that there are stores in LA that sell actual copies of scripts since we visited them during LAFF. I got mine from a few different sources, but I do remember that Debby Stark had some on disk/CD available at one point ... if she doesn't enter this thread, you might want to email her privately and ask if she still has them available. :) Glad people are enjoying them! I will try to go through them as I see episodes on TNT. It's fun to read them myself, I admit, it's even more fun to share them. :) Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:52:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carol L Moncado Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I got mine from a few different sources, but I do remember that > Debby Stark > had some on disk/CD available at one point ... if she doesn't enter > this > thread, you might want to email her privately and ask if she still > has them > available. :) As of a couple of months ago she did, so if you're interested you really might want to contact her. CM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:07:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar Well, one other missing - or rather, altered - scene is in MOSB. The filmed version had Clark leaving a letter for Perry. In the script, however, this is what happens: Clark takes a sealed envelope out of his pocket. It says "Lois" on it. CLARK: This will explain everything. She takes it from him. LOIS: I'm not going to read it. I know you'll be back. He looks at her, studies her, so he won't forget her. Then he kisses her. They look at each other for a beat. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (And at the end of the episode, when Clark returns: ) Clark smiles and walks back to Lois. He spots something on her desk. CLARK: You won't be needing this any more. He picks up the unread note and puts it back in his pocket. LOIS: Hey, wait a minute! I didn't even get a chance to read it. What did it say? CLARK: I guess you'll never know. ---------- End of Extracts --------- And I thought that was very sweet, and wistful, too: just what *was* in that letter? And so, when I first saw that in the script two years ago, I wrote a story to answer the question. Wendy --------- Wendy Richards wendy@lcfanfic.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:09:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology In-Reply-To: <13d.7334bb.28bc33a0@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I hate to be a pain in the rear, but this time I was not able to "capture" the new page:( Any suggestions? Carolyn >Hello All... > >I won't bore you too much with my exciting life , but I will apologize >that this link is coming out a day late. Zoom, I'm sincerely sorry. I had >the great privelege of seeing Seven-Mary-Three, Train, and Matchbox Twenty >last night... the site completely slipped my mind. I'm a bad web-type-person >:( > >Okay... apologies aside... the author you've all been waiting for is up and >ready. In addition, she chose MY favorite story to tell us about >(coincidence, but I'm thrilled anyway). This is the first person a lot of >people think of when they're contemplaing Lois and Clark, and certainly one >of the very best authors in our fandom or any other! You are all in for a >terrific treat today... and it may even be worth waiting one extra day for! > >Come by the site, and find out what Zoomway was thinking when she wrote: >Always Something There To Remind Me > >Enjoy! >-Crys- >Manager, The Author's Mind... >Come take a look into the Author's Mind at: >www.geocities.com/authorsmind/main.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:20:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Missing scenes from "Church of Metropolis" Thanks for that, Kathy; I really will have to take a closer look at my scripts sometimes! I noticed that in both Metallo and CoM the significant lines cut had to do with Lois's relationship with Lex. I find this fascinating, because - as a huge S1/S2 fan - I was amazed to see that Lois's engagement and near- marriage to Lex almost seemed to get forgotten after ME. Okay, Lex resurfaced in Phoenix, but up until then - as far as *Lois* was concerned - he might as well not have existed. There was no sense of Lois as a character trying to recover from a disastrous personal decision, or having learned from what had happened. It was as if, as far as she was concerned, she'd never dated a criminal. And yet these scenes - with Perry and with Lucy - show us that the writers didn't see it that way at all. They were writing her as someone who was ashamed of what she'd done and who was busy learning from it; and who, by Metallo, was at a point at which she could actually joke (in a bleak sense) with Lucy about it. So why on earth were these references all excised? Were we supposed to be forgetting everything about the series' B-plots at this point? Wendy --------- Wendy Richards wendy@lcfanfic.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:27:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Mary Sue Characters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi ShadowFax: >On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:01:38 -0400, Carolyn Schnall > wrote: > >> >>You read my work!!!!!!! Wow:) > >LOL!! sound familiar????!!!:) >I had never heard of Mary Sue characters when I first read Psychic, and I >guess I always thought of it in the context of some of the series fiction >I've read. They always seem to bring in new characters after they've run >out of stories to tell about the old. For example, in the early Tarzan >novels, the stories focused on Tarzan and his wife and son. In later >novels, though, new characters were brought in for every novel, and the >stories focused on them, with Tarzan sometimes not doing a whole lot more >than rescuing everyone when they inevitably got into trouble . Actually, any continuing story ends up doing something similar. I remember when the second Batman movie came out, Michael Keaton said in an interview (probably several, and I am paraphrasing) that his role was relegated to playing host the new evil characters as played by famous "guest" stars. >So I always thought of your Psychic in that context, even after I started >hearing about Mary Sue stories. And even now, after your assurances that >Judith is really Mary Sue, she's nothing like the character I >pictured. :) Yes, I agree, she is like that kind of character. However, I know that Judith stems from that old Idea I had when I was ten about writing myself into the story and making a contribution. I always thought that was what Mary Sue characters do and was myself surprised to find that there was an actual genre of fanfiction describing the oh-so-similar phenomenon:) > > >>Yes, Judith is an original character but according to my >>understanding, and based on my personal knowledge of the source of >>the character, namely me I think she fits the Mary Sue >>definition. And as an old Trekker, I think it still applies:) >> > >Well, if she's a Mary Sue, she's a darn good one! Your characterizations of >Lois and yummy Clark are good, too. Thanks!!!!!!!! And Thanks!!!!!!!!! I admit I was not as active in Trekker fanfic which is why I didn't hear about Mary Sue characters till I got here.... > >>Besides, I was writing fanfiction at the age of 10 (before it was >>even called that) and almost always, it was in the Mary Sue mode. >>For instance, if I was writing about the Man From UNCLE, a ten year >>old female spy was the one who helped Napoleon and Illya (sp?) solve >>a problem in a way that no one but this ten year old girl could. If >>that's not a Mary Sue, I don't know what it......:) > >Speaking of yummmm, how 'bout that Illya? Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still have a crush on David MacCallum (hope I spelled that correctly):) >It's nice to know that there was a fellow female spy out there. Were you >brave when the bad guys tortured you for information about Napoleon and >Illya? I was. ;-) Why, there was a whole division of us:)!!!!! > > >>When I started to write my Psychic stories, my brother, who is my >>editor, was quick to point out that I had a discrepancy in the way I >>wrote her. Judith ends up being around the same age as Clark and >>Lois (actually slightly younger) but I had put in a number of >>references which would make her appear older, closer to my age. I >>had to make a choice and she became younger so that when Lois is >>jealous of her, it is more believable. > >ROTFL!! Kind of like Lois's apartment moving from floor to floor. ;-) LOL, yes, good point:) >Thanks for sharing. It's nice to know what a Mary Sue story is . . . and >to realize that I've written one myself. > >Shadowfax Congratulations and welcome to Mary Sue fanfic writers not-so-anonymous:) Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:38:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Thanks for posting this Kathy:) I am now sorry I didn't look harder fore L&C scripts when I was on Hollywood Boulevard during LAFF.......:( Carolyn >On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:12:21 -0500, Shadow Fax >wrote: > >>IIRC, there was an ep in early S2 where Lois took a handful of candy from a >>candy jar in the newsroom, and then started picking candy out of her hand >>and putting it back into the jar. Does anyone remember in what ep that >>happened? I think it was Operation Blackout, but it may be Metallo. > > >I don't recall the scene in question, but I took a look through my scripts >for both OB and Metallo, and didn't find it. (I did a search on "candy" and >"jar" and both came up negative.) > >When skimming through Metallo (ok, ok, it's one of my favorite episodes, so >sue me ), though, I found this scene that didn't make it into the episode. >I thought you all might enjoy it. :) > >It's near the end, after Lois and Jimmy save Clark, and Superman defeats >Johnny Corbin. This is in the newsroom: > > >66 INT. DAILY PLANET - DAY #5 66 > > Lois and a somber Lucy sip coffee at a table in the coffee > area. > > LUCY > I know he was all wrong for me > but... I still can't help feeling > I'm going to miss him. > > Lois puts a comforting hand on Lucy's arm, then... > > LOIS > Did you talk to mom and dad? > > > LUCY > This morning. Dad's okay. But > after mom heard we were all right > the first thing she brought up was > the grandchild issue. > > LOIS > Well, considering our track record > with men, she better prepare for a (X) > long wait. > (laughs) > I thought falling for the city's > biggest criminal was bad. I think > bringing home a robot would have > topped that. > > LUCY > Don't act so superior. You're > whipped for an alien from another > planet. > > Before Lois can respond, Clark approaches. > > LUCY (CONT'D) > Hi, Clark. Boy, for a guy who went > through what you did yesterday, you > look terrific. > > CLARK > Well, I've... always been a fast > healer. So, I guess I really owe > you two. > > LOIS > Clark, you know I'm not the type to > keep score. > > LUCY > Since when? > > Clark smiles and moves off to the coffee machine as... > > LOIS > (to Lucy) > Don't you have to get to work. > > LUCY > (smiles; rising) > Yeah. I'll talk to you later. > (sotto to Lois) > You know, he's awfully cute. if > you ask me, you oughta get over > this Superman thing and chase that (X) > bus. > > LOIS > Nobody asked you. Good-bye. > > As Lucy exits to the elevators, Lois catches up to Clark on > the way into the bullpen. > > >>>>>>>>>> > >And we seque into what we saw on screen, with Clark thanking Lois for saving >him and the two of them looking deeply into each other's eyes for a moment >... (excuse me while I WAFF ;)). > >I have to say, I really enjoy looking through these scripts, especially right >after I've seen the episode. There were several scenes in HoL, for example, >that we never saw -- at least one of which would require the rewrite of a lot >of fanfic scenes. (OK, I won't keep you hanging -- the script has Clark >knowing that Lois said "I can't" at the altar. :)) And I may be dense, but >until I read the script, I had no idea that Superman was throwing himself >against the bars of the K cage in order to move it closer to the key on the >floor ... I could never figure out why the heck he was doing that. > >Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:01:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chief Pam Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carolyn, I hate to say this, 'cause Microsoft really ticks me off, but I think your best bet is to download their Internet Explorer. I was a loyal Netscape user until a few months ago, but both the mail program and the browser were so chock-full of bugs that I couldn't stand it anymore, and went to IE/Outlook Express full time. Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / ChiefPam@nc.rr.com http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam **note new address** "The EU is a noble attempt to fulfill the age-old dream of having a country of English cooks, German lovers, French defense forces and Italian efficiency experts." --P. J. O'Rourke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Schnall" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology > I hate to be a pain in the rear, but this time I was not able to > "capture" the new page:( > > Any suggestions? > > Carolyn > > >Hello All... > > > >I won't bore you too much with my exciting life , but I will apologize > >that this link is coming out a day late. Zoom, I'm sincerely sorry. I had > >the great privelege of seeing Seven-Mary-Three, Train, and Matchbox Twenty > >last night... the site completely slipped my mind. I'm a bad web-type-person > >:( > > > >Okay... apologies aside... the author you've all been waiting for is up and > >ready. In addition, she chose MY favorite story to tell us about > >(coincidence, but I'm thrilled anyway). This is the first person a lot of > >people think of when they're contemplaing Lois and Clark, and certainly one > >of the very best authors in our fandom or any other! You are all in for a > >terrific treat today... and it may even be worth waiting one extra day for! > > > >Come by the site, and find out what Zoomway was thinking when she wrote: > >Always Something There To Remind Me > > > >Enjoy! > >-Crys- > >Manager, The Author's Mind... > >Come take a look into the Author's Mind at: > >www.geocities.com/authorsmind/main.html > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:04:25 -0500 Reply-To: bbmedos@booksanctuary.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "B. B. Medos" Subject: right to an investigative journalist? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Last night I was watching an episode of “Jonathan Creek” on BBCAmerica (another “partners-in-crime” type mystery series only one specializing in “locked door” puzzles) and this man accused of murdering someone said that he wanted to invoke his right to speak to an investigative journalist. That’ s paraphrased, but it certainly made me sit up and go huh? It’s certainly not something you’d hear said in America, but I immediately started thinking of how Lois would love to see the idea put into practice. Any Brits want to enlighten me about this concept because I’m certainly curious about it now. Is this really a formal “right” over there or am I completely misunderstanding what was happening? Beverly :-) bbmedos@booksanctuary.com http://www.booksanctuary.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:09:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chief Pam Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I had > a hard time deciding between Tryst and In Any Universe for Pam, but in the > end I agreed with Tryst. (I almost changed my mind, though, when I thought > about that line in Fate Worse than Death that always cracks me up: "Martha, > get the bat." What "Superman got stuck in an elevator" is to > Hazel, "Martha, get the bat" is to me. It gets me every time. :) LOL, Shadowfax, and thank you! I always hope to amuse, so it's good to hear that I managed it > How about everyone else? Is the authors' pick their own personal > favorite? Well, I have so many "favorite" Zoomway fics that it's hard to say I admit that "FTGG" was not my personal favorite of Wendy's stories (although I'd be hard pressed to name a favorite!), but I enjoyed the interview anyway. Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / ChiefPam@nc.rr.com http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam **note new address** "The EU is a noble attempt to fulfill the age-old dream of having a country of English cooks, German lovers, French defense forces and Italian efficiency experts." --P. J. O'Rourke ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:11:32 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << I was a loyal Netscape user until a few months ago, but both the mail program and the browser were so chock-full of bugs that I couldn't stand it anymore, and went to IE/Outlook Express full time. >> It depends on the version, though. If you are using Netscape 6.0 then yes, you're asking for problems. But 4.77 (128 bit) is pretty reliable. Watch IE though. The new IE6 is just as full of bugs, even to the point where MS will say they are not responsible if you choose to use it for certain features. Try clearing your cache first, or hold down the shift key while hitting reload on the page. The shift key forces the web page to load fresh from the web server rather than cache. I will recommend using WindowWasher for cache clearing. You do have to set it so that certain cookies wont delete during the "wash", but it's a good product IMHO. www.webroot.com Hope this helps ... Anne ;) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:25:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: right to an investigative journalist? Hi Bev :) I've never watched Jonathan Creek, but I can tell you that your quote/paraphrase made my eyebrows shoot up too. I've never heard of anything remotely like that over here. Was the character being sardonic or otherwise 'humorous'? Wendy -------- Wendy Richards wendy@lcfanfic.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:29:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Thanks Pam and Anne:) I have Netscape 4.75, BTW. I may have to wait till I get my laptop, since downloading certain programs to my work HD might be counter indicated...:) Carolyn ><< I was a loyal Netscape user until a few months ago, but both the >mail program and the browser were so chock-full of bugs that I >couldn't stand it anymore, and went to IE/Outlook Express full >time. >> > >It depends on the version, though. If you are using Netscape 6.0 >then yes, you're asking for problems. But 4.77 (128 bit) is >pretty reliable. > >Watch IE though. The new IE6 is just as full of bugs, even to the >point where MS will say they are not responsible if you choose to >use it for certain features. > >Try clearing your cache first, or hold down the shift key while >hitting reload on the page. The shift key forces the web page to >load fresh from the web server rather than cache. > >I will recommend using WindowWasher for cache clearing. You do have >to set it so that certain cookies wont delete during the "wash", but >it's a good product IMHO. > >www.webroot.com > >Hope this helps ... >Anne ;) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:43:29 -0500 Reply-To: bbmedos@booksanctuary.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "B. B. Medos" Subject: Re: right to an investigative journalist? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wendy wrote: << I've never watched Jonathan Creek, but I can tell you that your quote/paraphrase made my eyebrows shoot up too. I've never heard of anything remotely like that over here. Was the character being sardonic or otherwise 'humorous'? >> No, because the police took it quite seriously and immediately got in contact with a journalist to interview him - the journalist in this case being a writer/investigator who specializes in true crime stories and also happens to be the female lead of the series, Madeline McGellan (sp?). This particular episode was apparently the first and her meeting with the accused sets up her meeting with the male lead for help in figuring out "how" the crime was committed. He's Jonathan Creek and an expert at magic and illusion. (Can you tell I've fallen in love with this series and wish there were more episodes than there are? ) I could easily buy that using that request that way was simply a plot device to ultimately bring the two leads together, but it also seemed very "realistic" in context if you know what I mean. I'm just curious as to how realistic it really is. Beverly :-) bbmedos@booksanctuary.com http://www.booksanctuary.com BookNotesPlus: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BookNotesPlus Mysterious Romance: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mysteriousromance ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:47:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Hand in the candy jar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Shadow Fax: No one seems to have answered your question yet, and I don't really have an answer, but I do remember the scene. Just don't know which ep it was in. If I remember correctly, Lois dipped into the legendary MnM's jar and was apparently selecting the colors that she preferred. Which doesn't make a lot of sense, since they all taste the same. Maybe it was jelly beans. ?. :) Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shadow Fax" To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: Hand in the candy jar > IIRC, there was an ep in early S2 where Lois took a handful of candy from a > candy jar in the newsroom, and then started picking candy out of her hand > and putting it back into the jar. Does anyone remember in what ep that > happened? I think it was Operation Blackout, but it may be Metallo. > > And does anyone know if that was written in the script? > > Shadowfax ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:53:47 -0500 Reply-To: bbmedos@booksanctuary.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "B. B. Medos" Subject: Re: Hand in the candy jar In-Reply-To: <004b01c12ff1$df7e3a60$45fafd3f@v1t9j4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jude wrote: << Hi Shadow Fax: No one seems to have answered your question yet, and I don't really have an answer, but I do remember the scene. Just don't know which ep it was in. If I remember correctly, Lois dipped into the legendary MnM's jar and was apparently selecting the colors that she preferred. Which doesn't make a lot of sense, since they all taste the same. Maybe it was jelly beans. ?. :) Jude >> Wasn't that Lois picking at the candy scene early in the Christmas episode where everyone starts acting like children? At one point, Clark drinks all the candy to keep Jimmy from getting any more. I'm drawing a complete blank on the title at the moment, but it had the Toy Man in it played by Sherman Hemsley. Beverly :-) bbmedos@booksanctuary.com http://www.booksanctuary.com BookNotesPlus: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BookNotesPlus Mysterious Romance: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mysteriousromance ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:04:15 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Question for a fic: Lord Nor's Invasion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone give me a reasonable estimate for the approximate month Lord Nor invaded Earth? I need it for a fic I'm in the process of plotting. Nan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:15:28 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Question for a fic: Lord Nor's Invasion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Nan: Don't know if this will help, but there's one scene where L&C are raking leaves (?) so it could be in the fall. It's still warm - lots of sunshine and no sweaters or coats - so I would guess October. But if they're not raking leaves but just cleaning up the park grounds, then it could be summer. Oh, dear. That really narrows it down, doesn't it? Maybe August or Septemember since it was the beginning of the new season. :) Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: Question for a fic: Lord Nor's Invasion > Can anyone give me a reasonable estimate for the approximate month Lord > Nor invaded Earth? I need it for a fic I'm in the process of plotting. > > Nan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:27:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:21:10 -0500, Kathy Brown wrote: Kathy, I'm curious about this: >There were several scenes in HoL, for example, >that we never saw -- at least one of which would require the rewrite of a lot >of fanfic scenes. (OK, I won't keep you hanging -- the script has Clark >knowing that Lois said "I can't" at the altar. :)) *How*, exactly, did it show that Clark knew what Lois had said? Shadowfax, ecstatic at the thought of how happy Clark must have been. :D ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:15:18 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: OT: Pregnant sis-in-law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, we're still waiting. She's down to six minutes and they hurt, but they don't seem to be doing much. My poor daughter-in-law (her name is Wendy, btw) is not happy. They just told her to wait. Nan Kathy Brown wrote: > Let us know about the blessed event, Tara -- is this Nan's first grandchild? > > Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:21:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chief Pam Subject: Re: OT: Pregnant sis-in-law MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And this is her third baby? What a drag... Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / ChiefPam@nc.rr.com http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam **note new address** "The EU is a noble attempt to fulfill the age-old dream of having a country of English cooks, German lovers, French defense forces and Italian efficiency experts." --P. J. O'Rourke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: Re: OT: Pregnant sis-in-law > Well, we're still waiting. She's down to six minutes and they hurt, but they > don't seem to be doing much. My poor daughter-in-law (her name is Wendy, btw) > is not happy. They just told her to wait. > > Nan > > Kathy Brown wrote: > > > Let us know about the blessed event, Tara -- is this Nan's first grandchild? > > > > Kathy > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:57:30 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ursula Bento Subject: Re: Question for a fic: Lord Nor's Invasion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To me it looks like August. Balmy nights (remember the orangy suit Lois wore when she found Kal El waiting for her on her doorstep?) and warm days; Lois wore sleeveless blouses when she and Clark snuck into Smallville and later on when Ching showed Clark how to fight like a Kryptonian. Before he had to confront Nor. Don't know why, feels like August to me! I wish you tons of inspiration for your new fic Nan. Ursie ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Smith To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: Question for a fic: Lord Nor's Invasion > Can anyone give me a reasonable estimate for the approximate month Lord > Nor invaded Earth? I need it for a fic I'm in the process of plotting. > > Nan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:57:17 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Question for a fic: Lord Nor's Invasion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/01 4:49:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ursben@HETNET.NL writes: > Don't know why, feels like August to me! > Well, they were filming it in the summer... Can be pretty hot in the LA area that time of year. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:02:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: How Clark knew (missing HoL scene) On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:27:59 -0500, Shadow Fax wrote: >*How*, exactly, did it show that Clark knew what Lois had said? It was a one-liner, with no indication of how he knew: . 84 EXT. DAILY PLANET BUILDING - A WEEK LATER (DAY #6) 84 Lois, Clark, Perry, Jimmy and Jack have convened on the sidewalk. The entrance has been boarded up, "BUILDING CONDEMNED" signs are posted, and the area is still cordoned off. JIMMY I wish they'd get it over with and tear this old place down. PERRY Yep, too many memories. LOIS Most of then good. PERRY There's a lesson to be learned here. JACK Why an I not surprised? PERRY We ought to appreciate what we've got when we've got it. Lois looks at Clark, who's looking at the ruin. He feels her stare and turns to her. Quickly she changes the subject. LOIS (miserably) It's my fault. All of it. If Lex hadn't wanted me so badly he never would've destroyed the Planet. (beat) Why me? CLARK Because Lex Luthor always wanted what he could never have. LOIS He almost did. CLARK (fervently) No. You said 'no.' You never would have gone through with it. Lois looks gratefully at Clark, tries to reply, but can't speak. Perry jumps in to cover the awkward moment. PERRY I know I've said this before, but I hate the idea that Lex Luthor got his way... (notions toward the ruins) ... even in this one thing. (O.S.) He didn't. Stern appears at their side, points. STERN (Cont'd) Look! We hear the sound of a CRANE. 85 THEIR POV 85 A flatbed truck pulls up and parks. Workmen remove a * tarp covering a large object on the truck bed: the Daily * Planet globe. Now, a crane begins to move it into * position. * >From here on, it's the same as we saw on the screen. Incidentally, more from my six year old ... she apparently loved the final line in HoL. Out of the blue yesterday (several days after we saw this episode), she said: "Mommy, I really liked it when Lois sees Superman in the sky and says, 'I'm not finished with you either, big fella!'" Then she laughed, clearly delighted by the memory. LOL! Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:22:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Phil Atcliffe Subject: NEW: Imbalance Part 23 [Confusion, he say: Wise authors please their readers -- when it suits them. And so, for all the people who have been wondering about a certain organisation known and detested by many a FoLC, here is the beginning of the "recipe" for fried fish, according to said organisation. But while they get out the cookbook(s), Lois and Clark (especially Clark) have their own business to attend to... oh, and there's the small matter of Clark's reputation as a "boy scout"... Now read on:] ***** The story of Superman's spectacular debut spread with all the speed that modern communications could bring -- although all that most other news services could do was to quote the stories in the Daily Planet. Even so, what was in those stories was enough to attract the attention of a lot of people who decided that they needed to know more about this strange visitor from another planet. Unfortunately (as they saw it), there was nothing that any of their sources could tell them about him; about all any of them, be they journalists, police or intelligence agencies, could do was to draw tentative correlations between "Superman" and a number of news stories, reported from around the world in the last week and a half, in which impending accidents and/or disasters had simply not happened: fires had started, but had died out or, in one case, been extinguished by a fortuitous leak from a nearby water tank; rivers expected to break their banks and cause massive flooding had instead merely flowed to the sea as if their channels were suddenly deeper somehow; a typhoon that was predicted to wreak havoc in the South China Sea had dissipated, baffling meteorologists. Nobody had seen anything or anyone at the time, so there was no way of establishing if this mysterious "alien" had any connection with these "miracles" at all, but if he did, the only conclusion that could be drawn was that he was both incredibly powerful and unquestionably benevolent -- so far. One man, sitting in a small office on the outskirts of Washington, DC, would have agreed with the first half of that conclusion, but not the latter. No, he knew that this alien was not at all benevolent; he was the point man, or one member of a scouting party, whose job it was to assess the defensive capabilities of the planet, and possibly soften up the inhabitants by means of propaganda and/or paranormal powers, prior to the arrival of an invasion fleet determined to conquer the Earth and enslave or exterminate its inhabitants. Jason Trask's views on extra-terrestrial life and the potential nature of first contact with it were not unique; what made him more than just another crackpot was that he was the head of a U.S. government agency tasked with creating and implementing plans to deal with just such an invasion. Of course, Bureau 39 wasn't an official agency, not any more, but Trask knew that the Bureau's mission was as vital as ever, despite the cowardly stupidity of those in power, and so he had continued the work even without overt Federal funding or support. There were ways, and what money and assistance he had been able to secure through bureaucratic inertia, blackmail, "creative accountancy" and outright lying to those very few who even knew of the Bureau's continued existence, had proven (barely) adequate to pay for the organisation's upkeep, so that, when the time came, they would be ready to do their duty. Despite his efforts, the Bureau had fallen on even harder times recently, but that was about to change. Now that the aliens had finally revealed themselves, Trask expected that he and his men would become leaders in the fight against tyranny from the stars, and troops and resources would flock to their banner. However, he didn't intend to wait for that to happen; the time to strike was immediately, before the scouts could summon their main force. This was war, and there was no better way to strike at the enemy than to blind him -- take out the advance party, and the army would be at his mercy. Besides, once it was realised that the danger was real, everybody would try to jump on the bandwagon, and Trask hadn't spent so many years warning and planning for this to have some short-sighted military idiot grab all the glory -- particularly when, from the descriptions that he had read and the footage that he had seen, the threat was greater than even he'd imagined. However, as the old cookery book said, "First, catch your rabbit." Or, to use military parlance, reconnaissance is all. Before he could strike at the invaders, he had to find them and learn as much as he could about them -- especially their weaknesses, so that his strike could be hard, decisive... and lethal! And it seemed that the only real source of information on the enemy was this newspaper, the Daily Planet, and the reporter who had actually talked with one of them. That was an interesting thought: so, they *talked*, did they? Or did they? >From the tone of the article this Lane woman had written, telepathic brain- washing might be more likely. 'Hmm... maybe I can bring her here for testing. It might be useful to have a subject who's fallen under alien influence; she might give us an idea of how strong their control is.' Trask got to his feet, his mind made up, his decisions obvious. He went out of his cubicle into the main office, then strode across to the desk of one of the junior officers, who was perusing a sheaf of papers. According to Bureau standard operating procedure, he collected the papers together and replaced them in the file box from which they had come, sealing it to prevent unauthorised access before giving his attention to his superior. Trask approved of the young man's action -- security was vital in an agency like this, if somewhat tedious at times -- and waited patiently. Once the officer had satisfactorily followed SOP, however, Trask was both brisk and brusque. "Which Go-Team is currently on Alert status?" he snapped. Anyone who'd survived in Bureau 39 for more than a week knew that answers were expected to be instantly available and delivered in a tone that matched Trask's own; in addition, the youngster had also seen the papers and TV coverage, and was expecting this. "Team 2, sir! Captain Mendez commanding. All Team members fully operational!" "Good," Trask replied, his words more punctuation than genuine approval. "Advise them that they are to go to Alert Level 1 immediately, and warn the airport that we're on our way. We're going to pay a visit to New Troy. Tell our Metropolis office to expect us!" With that, he turned smartly on his heel and made to leave to join his men. "Uh, sir..." was the hesitant reply, something sufficiently unusual for Trask to look back at the worried face of his junior officer. "We don't *have* a Metropolis office. All regional offices were closed when the Bureau was downsized in the last lot of budget cuts. You said that it was more important to maintain our storage facilities than keep with up the local gossip..." For a moment, Trask looked outraged, but then his scowl became thoughtful. "You're right..." he said, not really paying attention to the other man. Then he became alert again, so suddenly that it seemed odd not to hear a switch click. "Well, that's okay; we can operate without help for now, and we *will* have a Metropolis office before very much longer. Now that we have *proof* that aliens are on their way, we shouldn't have any more trouble with funding. And even if we do, there are ways... This is too important to be left to the mercy of foolish, blind politicians!" With that, he stalked out, leaving behind a subordinate who began to wonder, not for the first time, if there was *any* way he could safely leave the Bureau. Probably not, unfortunately. ***** "Lois, Clark, we need a picture of Superman for the afternoon edition," Perry exclaimed later that day. Clark and Lois looked at each other, both clearly wondering whether their editor expected them to conjure up the new super-hero there and then so that Jimmy could take the required photographs. Raising his eyebrows, Perry continued. "Judas Priest! You two are the only reporters who've seen him up close and personal, y'know what I mean? Now, I've asked Ben, the freelance court artist we use, to come in, and he's gonna do a sketch to your description, okay?" "If you must," Lois muttered under her breath as Perry walked away. Clark grinned, wondering whether she was aware that he could hear her; as she turned to face him, he could see that she had indeed intended him to overhear. She was really getting accustomed to his powers, and he found that he liked that. He liked it very much. "Say, Kent, just how *did* you and Lane manage to get the jump on everyone else with this Superman guy?" Clark swivelled in the direction of the voice, just managing to keep his cool as he saw Tom Everett about to invade his personal space. Keeping his voice level, though with a subtle undertone, he answered lightly, "Oh, you know... being in the right place at the right time, not afraid to take chances... just being a good journalist, really." Turning back to Lois, he added, "That's right, partner, isn't it?" She caught his gaze, and he saw her appreciation of his tactics in her eyes. "Sure is, Clark. After all, it's not as if stories are going to come to us if we just sit on our backsides and wait for them, is it?" "Definitely not!" Clark agreed, then glanced back at Everett. "I think Lois' interview with Superman is a shoo-in for the next Kerths, don't you?" Clark saw Everett flinch at this, and he knew why; only the previous week, he'd overheard Everett and Friaz indulging in a mutual back-slapping session over a story of theirs in which they'd uncovered an insider trading scandal. The two of them had been convinced they'd win a Kerth for their story. Clark wasn't so sure; even in the investigative category -- as apart from Best Overall -- Lois had at least two stories of far more significance. Everett merely grunted in response and made a point of seeing someone on the other side of the newsroom that he wanted to talk to. Lois caught hold of Clark's arm as the other man hurried away; he could see that she was trying to stifle laughter. "If I hadn't seen that with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it! You're sure no Boy Scout, Kent!" Clark chuckled in response. "Don't think I ever pretended to be, Lois!" Which was true enough; farm work had prevented his parents from taking him to Cub Scout meetings, and they had died before he was old enough to join the local Scout troop. After their deaths, none of his foster families had been prepared to spend the money to kit him out, so being a Scout was just one more thing that he had missed out on. That had been both a blessing and a curse: on the one hand, not having to go to meetings regularly meant he'd been able to slip away in the evenings to go somewhere private where he could try to deal with the strange things that were happening to him; on the other, it had meant that he had very little social contact with boys of his own age outside school -- and he still wasn't sure whether that had been good or bad, considering the problems he'd had as his powers manifested themselves, one by one. Still, that was in the past, a long time ago and an unimaginable distance away. Here and now was more important, particularly... He guided Lois back to her own desk, preparatory to getting back to work on the plane near- disaster follow-ups. Once they were well out of hearing of anyone else, he murmured quietly, "How about having dinner with me this evening -- at my apartment?" As she looked at him curiously, he added, "I think we should talk. There are things I promised to tell you -- right?" "Oh!" Her face was flushed with pleasure, and Clark's heart overflowed at the sight. "I'd... I'd like that, Clark." "Great!" he exclaimed softly. "Come over around seven, okay?" They were interrupted then by Ben, the sketch-artist, and the two reporters spent the next hour trying to produce an accurate -- but not *too* accurate -- likeness of Superman. Ben started with the photos Jimmy had taken the previous day but, even blown up to poster-size, these provided insufficient definition. It was up to Lois, therefore, to describe in detail aspects such as the shape of the super-hero's jaw, the sweep of his brow, the curl of his sleek black hair and the shape and colour of his eyes. "Brown. Definitely," Lois announced. "But they're a very *particular* shade of brown -- I mean, not just any brown." Ben frowned. "Can you be any more specific, Lois?" "Well..." She paused, looking thoughtful, then grabbed Clark's shoulders to turn him towards the artist. "Take Clark here: his eyes are brown, but Superman's aren't like that. Clark's are kind of mud-brown, but Superman's... oh, they're like rich, warm chocolate that you could lose yourself in..." She trailed off, her expression dreamy; Clark, watching her, wasn't sure whether to shake her or laugh at her. Was she really falling for his alter ego? She couldn't be, surely; after all, she *knew* that Superman was just him in the suit... But then she caught his eye, out of sight of the artist, and winked. She was protecting his cover! Delighted, he played up to her, pretending to be hurt by her dismissal of his own attributes. "If you want the overall impression," Lois continued, gazing at Ben's sketch as if she was a love-struck teenager, "just think Greek God. Or think of the evolution of man. You could see Clark here as the before, and Superman as the after..." She threw her partner a glance and seemed to rethink her statement, then turned back to the artist to comment in a disgusted voice, "Make that the way, *way* after." "I can see I'm not needed here," Clark interjected quickly, before he collapsed in fits of laughter. "Lois, I'll talk to you when you're through." ***** It was just as well Clark 'Superman' Kent had a sense of humour, Lois reflected a few minutes later, once Ben had left. Most other men of her acquaintance would have been highly offended by what she'd just done, but Clark had taken it in his stride and, if she wasn't mistaken, the expression in his eyes as he'd excused himself had been unholy glee. He had a highly-developed sense of mischief, if she wasn't wrong in her estimation of him. Yet another reason why he would make an excellent partner... just as long as he didn't find working with a non-super-powered reporter frustrating. They worked together amicably on the follow-ups for most of the afternoon and, as well as what they'd given Perry for the afternoon edition, they were able to send him a couple of well-researched and headline-grabbing stories for the morning paper. Just as they were about to begin some more digging into who could possibly have hired Nigel St John -- not that they really thought anyone other than the Churches was responsible, but they needed *proof* -- Lois noticed that Clark didn't seem to have heard the last couple of things she'd said to him. His head was tilted slightly sideways, and he appeared to be listening intently. It was as if he was hearing something she couldn't... and whatever it was, it was worrying him. In a sudden flash of realisation, she worked out what it was. His super- hearing was alerting him to something, and, given his agitated state, someone was in trouble. "Somebody need Superman?" she murmured softly, putting her hand on his shoulder to attract his attention. He turned to her, gratitude for her quick appreciation of the situation clear in his expression. "Yeah. Fire at an apartment building getting out of control -- I think I should go and help." "Go," she told him simply. "I'll cover for you." He hesitated. "I could be a while. I might not be back in time for dinner." "That's not a problem," she assured him. "If you're not too late, come over to my place. If you can't, I'll see you tomorrow and we can reschedule. Now *go!*" She emphasised her instruction with a surreptitious hand movement. "Thanks," he murmured, grabbing her hand and covering it with his briefly; a moment later, he was heading for the stairwell. "Where's Kent gone in such an all-fired hurry?" Perry White demanded from behind Lois. "I wanted you two to have some publicity photos done for Planet advertising!" 'Oh, please, no!' Lois groaned inwardly; then she remembered that she'd promised to cover for Clark. "He... um, got a lead on where Superman might be right now, and he's gone off to check it out. Actually," she added as a thought occurred to her, "I'm meeting him downstairs -- we're both going." She grabbed her purse and hurried past Perry before he could bring up the subject of photographs again. If Superman was going to put in an appearance at a fire, Lois Lane was going to cover it for the Planet. ***** [*Anything* to get out of publicity photos, huh, Lois? Can't say I blame you... Actually, it's just as well she's on her way, because she's going to be needed, and no-one will be more surprised to learn that than *Lois!* ;) Find out why, next time.] Phil ---- "I think... I think I am! Therefore I am... I think?" -- The Moody Blues I think _I_ am Phil Atcliffe (atcliffe@perdicas.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:29:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:09:05 -0400, Chief Pam wrote: > I >admit that "FTGG" was not my personal favorite of Wendy's stories (although >I'd be hard pressed to name a favorite!), but I enjoyed the interview >anyway. I haven't read FTGG (and don't plan, too, as Wendy knows .. sorry, Wendy, it's that wimp thing again. ) But off the top of my head, I'd have to say my favorite Wendy stories are "It Happened One Super Night" and its sequel "It's a Super Life". A very satisfying combination of WHAMs and WAFFs in those stories; heavenly. :) Pam has written several stories that I love. I'm glad someone else mentioned "In Any Universe" because I just adored it; I had a hard time deciding between that one and "Tryst" for which one I liked better. Pam has some older stories that still rank on my favorites list, though -- one that comes to mind is her "Second Chances". :) As for Zoom's stories, I've always been partial to "You Made Me Love You" and its sequel "Wheels of Justice". (The third story in the series, "Great Shades of Elvis" was also good, but it's the first two that get me every time. :)) But there is just nothing I can say that's not glowing about "Always Something There To Remind Me", the story she picked. I remember having two thoughts when I finished the story -- first, that it was as close to perfect as any fanfic could be, and second ... that I was SO glad I had finished writing my own Alt story, "Through The Looking Glass", for S5 before reading hers. I don't know that I would have had the enthusiam for my own story if I had read her wonderful one first! :) Kathy :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:32:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Hand in the candy jar On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:53:47 -0500, B. B. Medos wrote: >Wasn't that Lois picking at the candy scene early in the Christmas episode where >everyone starts acting like children? At one point, Clark drinks all the candy >to keep Jimmy from getting any more. I'm drawing a complete blank on the title >at the moment, but it had the Toy Man in it played by Sherman Hemsley. That episode is Season's Greedings, the second season Xmas episode. I remember Clark inhaling (literally ) the candy so Jimmy couldn't get any (the look on Justin's face at the end of that scene, with his cheeks full of candy; ROTFL!!). But I don't remember Lois doing it ... I'll check the script later, but maybe someone else remembers this episode better than I do? Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:35:03 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/28/2001 5:31:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: > I don't know that I would have had the enthusiam for my own story if I > had read her wonderful one first! :) > The primary reason I never bothered with an Alt Clark story is because Zoom's story became my canon . There was nothing I could say that she hadn't said better. When a story is so well done that it cements itself in your mind... actually "becomes" canon... well, that's something pretty amazing! -Crys- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:39:06 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Meredith Knight Subject: Re: right to an investigative journalist? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 I'm reasonably sure it was simply tongue-in-cheek. If we have a right to anything when we've been arrested (and I don't know for certain), it certainly isn't an investigative journalist. It's pretty satirical, though. Miscarriages of justice in this country are virtually never cleared up except through the efforts of an investigative journalist, or else a pressure group of concerned members of the public. Meredith B. B. Medos writes >Last night I was watching an episode of Jonathan Creek on BBCAmerica >(another partners-in-crime type mystery series only one specializing in >locked door puzzles) and this man accused of murdering someone said that >he wanted to invoke his right to speak to an investigative journalist. That >s paraphrased, but it certainly made me sit up and go huh? Its certainly >not something youd hear said in America, but I immediately started thinking >of how Lois would love to see the idea put into practice. > >Any Brits want to enlighten me about this concept because Im certainly >curious about it now. Is this really a formal right over there or am I >completely misunderstanding what was happening? > >Beverly :-) >bbmedos@booksanctuary.com >http://www.booksanctuary.com -- Meredith Knight ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:09:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology Kathy wrote: >I haven't read FTGG (and don't plan, too, as Wendy knows .. sorry, Wendy, >it's that wimp thing again. ) But off the top of my head, I'd have to > say >my favorite Wendy stories are "It Happened One Super Night" and its sequel >"It's a Super Life". A very satisfying combination of WHAMs and WAFFs in >those stories; heavenly. :) Thank you! You know that Super Life became an nfic because of you? As for FTGG, it's not that bad! No apart-angst, and he does come back in the end. FTGG is the story which, for whatever reason, is most special to me, even more than IHOSN - and I was completely overwhelmed by the reaction to IHOSN. So there was no question, for me, of writing about anything other than FTGG for Crys's site. And what surprised me was that most people expected that it was the story I'd choose. So what would you write about, Kathy? Personally, I can't choose between The One That Got Away, WFBL and Winners. :) Or maybe even Through The Looking Glass! I was very glad that Pam chose Tryst; much as I love some of her earlier work, including her very first fic, Tryst just did something for me in a very special way. And ChrisH chose just the story I'd have wanted to see her talk about. And if we get Chris Mulder, I'd love to see her talk about Love Beyond All Measure/Dimensions of Loving. I love those stories! Wendy --------- Wendy Richards wendy@lcfanfic.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:14:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Athlete' Words of Wisdom Nan's courtroom statements and Ursula's post prompted me to post this email that I received. Of course, I have a son in college on an athletic scholarship. But I swear I've NEVER heard him make a statement as dumb as these. ;-) Athletes' Words of Wisdom "I'm going to graduate on time, no matter how long it takes." --Senior basketball player at the University of Pittsburgh ____________________________________________________________ "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." --Football commentator and former player Joe Theismann, 1996 ____________________________________________________________ "You guys line up alphabetically by height." --Bill Peterson, a Florida State football coach ____________________________________________________________ "You guys pair up in groups of three, then line up in a circle." --Bill Peterson, a Florida State football coach ____________________________________________________________ Clemson recruit Ray Forsythe, who was ineligible as a freshman because of academic deficiencies: "I play football. I'm not trying to be a professor. The tests don't seem to make sense to me, measuring your brain on stuff I haven't been through in school." ____________________________________________________________ Boxing promoter Dan Duva on Mike Tyson hooking up again with promoter Don King: "Why would anyone expect him to come out smarter? He went to prison For three years, not Princeton." ____________________________________________________________ Stu Grimson, Chicago Blackhawks left wing, explaining why he keeps a color photo of himself above his locker: "That's so when I forget how to spell my name, I can still find my clothes." ____________________________________________________________ Shaquille O'Neal on whether he had visited the Parthenon during his visit to Greece: "I can't really remember the names of the clubs we went to." ____________________________________________________________ Shaquille O'Neal on his lack of championships: "I've won at every level, except college and pro." ____________________________________________________________ Lou Duva, veteran boxing trainer, on the Spartan training regime of heavyweight Andrew Golota: "He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." ____________________________________________________________ Pat Williams, Orlando Magic general manager, on his 1992 team's 7-27 record: "We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. As general manager, I just can't figure out where else to play." ____________________________________________________________ Chuck Nevitt, North Carolina State basketball player, explaining to Coach Jim Valvano in 1982 why he appeared nervous at practice: "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I'm going to be an uncle or an aunt." ____________________________________________________________ Tommy Lasorda, Dodgers manager, when asked in 1981 what terms Mexican-born pitching sensation Fernando Valenzuela might settle for in his upcoming contract negotiations: "He wants Texas back." ____________________________________________________________ Darrell Royal, Texas football coach, asked in 1966 if the abnormal number of Longhorn injuries that season resulted from poor physical conditioning: "One player was lost because he broke his nose. How do you go about getting a nose in condition to play football?" ____________________________________________________________ Mike McCormack, coach of the hapless Baltimore Colts, after the 1981 team's co-captain, offensive guard Robert Pratt, pulled a hamstring running onto the field for the coin toss against St. Louis: "I'm going to send the injured reserve players out for the toss next time." ____________________________________________________________ Steve Spurrier, Florida football coach, telling Gator fans in 1991 that a fire at Auburn's football dorm had destroyed 20 books: "But the real tragedy was that 15 hadn't been colored yet." ____________________________________________________________ Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints general manager, when asked after a 1986 loss what he thought of the refs: "I'm not allowed to comment on lousy officiating." ____________________________________________________________ Alan Kulwicki, stock-car racer, on racing Saturday nights as opposed to Sunday afternoons: "It's basically the same, just darker." ____________________________________________________________ Lincoln Kennedy, Oakland Raiders tackle, on his decision not to vote: "I was going to write myself in, but I was afraid I'd get shot." ____________________________________________________________ Jim Colletto, Purdue football coach and former assistant at Arizona State and Ohio State, on his 11-year-old son's reaction after he took the job with the Boilermakers: "He said: 'Gosh, Dad, that mean's we're not going to any more bowl games.'" ____________________________________________________________ LaVell Edwards, BYU football coach and one of 14 children: "They can't fire me because my family buys too many tickets." ____________________________________________________________ Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player: "I told him, 'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?' He said, 'Coach, I don't know and I don't care.'" ____________________________________________________________ Torrin Polk, University of Houston receiver, on his coach, John Jenkins: "He treats us like men. He lets us wear earrings." ____________________________________________________________ Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M, recounting what he told a player who received four Fs and one D: "Son, looks to me like you're spending too much time on one subject." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:56:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gerry Anklewicz Subject: Re: Athlete' Words of Wisdom In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not as funny as the court ones, but I had a good laugh. Keep these words of wisdom coming. Gerry ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:06:09 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Laurie Dunn Subject: Re: Missing scenes from "Church of Metropolis" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy- I, too, am really enjoying these missing scenes. They give us insight into the thought process of the writers. I wonder why these tidbits were cut. In order to ultimately fit into a 44 minutes segment, probably they were just left on the film editors' floor. LaurieD ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:46:34 +0930 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Kaye Subject: Re: "Missing" Metallo Scene (was Re: Hand in the candy jar In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --snip Metallo scene with Lucy and Clark -- > >That's really cool! I love Lucy's advice to Lois . Thanks for sharing >with us! Do you have many other interesting scenes that ended up on the >cutting room floor? If so, I'd love to hear about them. :-) I'll second that :) ~Larissa~ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:25:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Missing scenes from "Church of Metropolis" On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:20:49 -0500, Wendy Richards < wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote: >I noticed that in both Metallo and CoM the significant lines cut had to do >with Lois's relationship with Lex. > >So why on earth were these references all excised? Were we supposed to be >forgetting everything about the series' B-plots at this point? That's an excellent point, Wendy; good observation. As for why, remember that the producers were given marching orders by ABC when they were renewed for a second season. Lex was out, to be replaced by a series of "villains of the week", and the show was supposed to concentrate more on the Superman action sequences. Romance between L&C was out, and Clark was supposed to start dating Mayson (who incidentally was originally conceived as a 'bad guy', associated with Morgan Edge, a comics character who was later rewritten as Bill Church). It was only after the first half of S2, when the ratings were so low that the show was about to be canceled, that TPTB decided that they had nothing to lose by allowing Lois and Clark to begin dating. The gamble paid off in spades -- the ratings started to rise after The Phoenix, and continued to rise all the way through to the non-wedding arc in late S3. (Now there's an obvious pattern for you!) Incidentally, I found my script for The Phoenix today so I could check some things for "When Lovers Become More" (yes, Wendy, I'm working on it again; yay me! But don't get too excited yet because I've only added 7 pages. ) In any case, this is what the script says when setting up Clark's "fantasy" at the beginning of the episode ... 2A EXT. CLARK'S APARTMENT TERRACE - NIGHT 2A A glittering night sky, romantic music. LOIS and CLARK, dressed to kill, step onto the terrace, each holding a glass of champagne and move to the rail taking in the view. It's what every Internet user wants to see. ROTFLMAO! I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that -- oh, yeah, they were listening to us, even back then. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:06:37 +0930 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Kaye Subject: Re: Athlete' Words of Wisdom In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And there's a tiny Dean connection here. Dean went to Princeton. It's true, you can connect anything to Lois and Clark and any of the actors :) ~Larissa~ >Boxing promoter Dan Duva on Mike Tyson hooking up again with promoter >Don King: "Why would anyone expect him to come out smarter? He went to >prison For three years, not Princeton." >____________________________________________________________ > >Stu Grimson, Chicago Blackhawks left wing, explaining why he keeps a >color photo of himself above his locker: "That's so when I forget how to >spell my name, I can still find my clothes." >____________________________________________________________ > >Shaquille O'Neal on whether he had visited the Parthenon during his >visit to Greece: "I can't really remember the names of the clubs we went >to." ____________________________________________________________ > >Shaquille O'Neal on his lack of championships: "I've won at every level, >except college and pro." >____________________________________________________________ > >Lou Duva, veteran boxing trainer, on the Spartan training regime of >heavyweight Andrew Golota: "He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the >morning regardless of what time it is." >____________________________________________________________ > >Pat Williams, Orlando Magic general manager, on his 1992 team's 7-27 >record: "We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. As general >manager, I just can't figure out where else to play." >____________________________________________________________ > >Chuck Nevitt, North Carolina State basketball player, explaining to >Coach Jim Valvano in 1982 why he appeared nervous at practice: "My >sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I'm going to be an uncle >or an aunt." >____________________________________________________________ > >Tommy Lasorda, Dodgers manager, when asked in 1981 what terms >Mexican-born pitching sensation Fernando Valenzuela might settle for in >his upcoming contract negotiations: "He wants Texas back." >____________________________________________________________ > >Darrell Royal, Texas football coach, asked in 1966 if the abnormal >number of Longhorn injuries that season resulted from poor physical >conditioning: "One player was lost because he broke his nose. How do you >go about getting a nose in condition to play football?" >____________________________________________________________ > >Mike McCormack, coach of the hapless Baltimore Colts, after the 1981 >team's co-captain, offensive guard Robert Pratt, pulled a hamstring >running onto the field for the coin toss against St. Louis: "I'm going >to send the injured reserve players out for the toss next time." >____________________________________________________________ > >Steve Spurrier, Florida football coach, telling Gator fans in 1991 that >a fire at Auburn's football dorm had destroyed 20 books: "But the real >tragedy was that 15 hadn't been colored yet." >____________________________________________________________ > >Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints general manager, when asked after a 1986 >loss what he thought of the refs: "I'm not allowed to comment on lousy >officiating." >____________________________________________________________ > >Alan Kulwicki, stock-car racer, on racing Saturday nights as opposed to >Sunday afternoons: "It's basically the same, just darker." >____________________________________________________________ > >Lincoln Kennedy, Oakland Raiders tackle, on his decision not to vote: "I >was going to write myself in, but I was afraid I'd get shot." >____________________________________________________________ > >Jim Colletto, Purdue football coach and former assistant at Arizona >State and Ohio State, on his 11-year-old son's reaction after he took >the job with the Boilermakers: "He said: 'Gosh, Dad, that mean's we're >not going to any more bowl games.'" >____________________________________________________________ > >LaVell Edwards, BYU football coach and one of 14 children: "They can't >fire me because my family buys too many tickets." >____________________________________________________________ > >Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player: "I told him, >'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?' He said, 'Coach, >I don't know and I don't care.'" >____________________________________________________________ > >Torrin Polk, University of Houston receiver, on his coach, John Jenkins: >"He treats us like men. He lets us wear earrings." >____________________________________________________________ > >Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M, recounting what he told a >player who received four Fs and one D: "Son, looks to me like you're >spending too much time on one subject." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:39:53 -0500 Reply-To: peabody Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: peabody Subject: Re: Hand in the candy jar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Discussing the show like this is so much fun! It reminds me of the old days on the old list (old being all of 4 or 5 years ago ;) when we'd pick apart every aspect of each week's episode, and routinely generate over 80 posts every day :) Kathy wrote: > That episode is Season's Greedings, the second season Xmas episode. I > remember Clark inhaling (literally ) the candy so Jimmy couldn't get any > (the look on Justin's face at the end of that scene, with his cheeks full of > candy; ROTFL!!). But I don't remember Lois doing it ... I'll check the script > later, but maybe someone else remembers this episode better than I do? I remember a "Lois picking at candy" scene during second season, but it was in Bolt From the Blue (the Resplendent Man episode) not Season's Greedings. The scene is in Lois apartment; Resplendent Man has sent Lois flowers and a box of chocolates. He's gone, and the flowers are in the trash, but Lois is picking through the candy, taking out the pieces that she likes, while she talks to Clark. She stops at one point and offers a piece of candy to Clark, "You can have this one, it's coconut." I probably don't have the dialog quite right, but I couldn't forget that scene. The first time I saw it I was ROTFL. It defined Lois' personality so nicely; she was very serious and focused as she worked her way through the candy, then almost as an afterthought, gave her leftovers to Clark. The idea of Lois giving Clark "crumbs" struck me as metaphor for where they were in their relationship, too ;) Kathy do you know if any of the "missing" scenes were ever filmed? If they were, wouldn't it be great to have a director's cut DVD with the missing scenes restored?. I think something similar was done a few years ago with the original Star Trek episodes. Pat (who can never forget a candy eating scene ;) peabody@ameritech.net pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:39:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Authors Mind This Week... and an apology On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:09:47 -0500, Wendy Richards < wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote: >So what would you write about, Kathy? Personally, I can't choose between >The One That Got Away, WFBL and Winners. :) Or maybe even Through The >Looking Glass! Good question! I have no idea. I suppose Winners would be out, since it's nfic and we can't have that up on the site. WFBL is the obvious choice, but it's so long -- and I confess to being thrilled you would mention "The One That Got Away" and "Through The Looking Glass" in the same breath as the other two. You really think?? There are other S5/6 episodes I'm proud of, too, like S6's Fatal Attraction, but TTLG holds a very special place in my heart. I just remember feeling like it was a universe I'd like to spend a lot of time writing about. :) I'm so glad I got to continue the story in "Movers and Shakers" and give that Lois and Clark an even happier ending than they had in TTLG. :) >And if we get Chris Mulder, I'd love to see her talk about Love Beyond All >Measure/Dimensions of Loving. I love those stories! I think these stories define L&C fanfic for me. They were the first "novel length" story I'd read (maybe 'cause they were the first ones written that long, but even still ) and I was so completely blown away. These are still one of the very few long fanfics I have ever read and re-read. WAFFy fanfic sigh ... :) Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:44:27 +0930 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Kaye Subject: Re: Completely Off Topic: Actual Court Statements In-Reply-To: <3B856C9F.C1077160@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've had this sent to me by three different people. Very amusing! ~Larissa~ Sorry, I know this is totally OT, but I couldn't resist. My brother >forwarded this to me. > >Actual Court Statements >> > >> > > These are things people actually said in court, word for >> word, >> > > taken down and now published by court reporters who had the >> > > torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually >> > > taking place: >> > > >> > > Q: What is your date of birth? >> > > A: July fifteenth. >> > > Q: What year? >> > > A: Every year. >> > > >> > > Q: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact? >> > > A: Gucci sweats and Reeboks. >> > > >> > > Q: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at >> all? >> > > A: Yes. >> > > Q: And in what ways does it affect your memory? >> > > A: I forget. >> > > Q: You forget. Can you give us an example of something that >> > > you've forgotten? >> > > >> > > Q: How old is your son, the one living with you? >> > > A: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can't remember which. >> > > Q: How long has he lived with you? >> > > A: Forty-five years. >> > > >> > > Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he >> > > woke that morning? >> > > A: He said, "Where am I, Cathy?" >> > > Q: And why did that upset you? >> > > A: My name is Susan. >> > > >> > > Q: And where was the location of the accident? >> > > A: Approximately milepost 499. >> > > Q: And where is milepost 499? >> > > A: Probably between milepost 498 and 500. >> > > >> > > Q: Sir, what is your IQ? >> > > A: Well, I can see pretty well, I think. >> > > >> > > Q: Did you blow your horn or anything? >> > > A: After the accident? >> > > Q: Before the accident. >> > > A: Sure, I played for ten years. I even went to school for >> it. >> > > >> > > Q: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in >> > > voodoo or the occult? >> > > A: We both do. >> > > Q: Voodoo? >> > > A: We do. >> > > Q: You do? >> > > A: Yes, voodoo. >> > > >> > > Q: Trooper, when you stopped the defendant, were your red >> and >> > > blue lights flashing? >> > > A: Yes. >> > > Q: Did the defendant say anything when she got out of her >> car? >> > > A: Yes, sir. >> > > Q: What did she say? >> > > A: What disco am I at? >> > > >> > > Q: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his >> sleep, he >> > > doesn't know about it until the next morning? >> > > >> > > Q: The youngest son, the twenty-year old, how old is he? >> > > >> > > Q: Were you present when your picture was taken? >> > > >> > > Q: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August >> eighth? >> > > A: Yes. >> > > Q: And what were you doing at that time? >> > > >> > > Q: She had three children, right? >> > > A: Yes. >> > > Q: How many were boys? >> > > A: None. >> > > Q: Were there any girls? >> > > >> > > Q: You say the stairs went down to the basement? >> > > A: Yes. >> > > Q: And these stairs, did they go up also? >> > > >> > > Q: How was your first marriage terminated? >> > > A: By death. >> > > Q: And by whose death was it terminated? >> > > >> > > Q: Can you describe the individual? >> > > A: He was about medium height and had a beard. >> > > Q: Was this a male, or a female? >> > > >> > > Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a >> deposition >> > > notice which I sent to your attorney? >> > > A: No, this is how I dress when I go to work. >> > > >> > > Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead >> > > people? >> > > A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. >> > > >> > > Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you >> go >> > > to? >> > > A: Oral. >> > > >> > > Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body? >> > > A: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m. >> > > Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time? >> > > A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing >> an >> > > autopsy. >> > > >> > > Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample? >> > > >> > > Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check >> for a >> > > pulse? >> > > A: No. >> > > Q: Did you check for blood pressure? >> > > A: No. >> > > Q: Did you check for breathing? >> > > A: No. >> > > Q: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when >> you >> > > began the autopsy? >> > > A: No. >> > > Q: How can you be so sure, Doctor? >> > > A: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar. >> > > Q: But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless? >> > > A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and >> practicing >> > > law somewhere. >> > > >Nan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:45:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Hand in the candy jar On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:39:53 -0500, peabody wrote: >Discussing the show like this is so much fun! It reminds me of the old days >on the old list (old being all of 4 or 5 years ago ;) when we'd pick apart >every aspect of each week's episode, and routinely generate over 80 posts >every day :) I know, I feel the same way! I have to say, watching these episodes on TNT each morning has really revived my obsession. I find myself sporting this happy grin a little more often these days. ;) >I remember a "Lois picking at candy" scene during second season, but it was >in Bolt From the Blue (the Resplendent Man episode) not Season's Greedings. >The scene is in Lois apartment; Resplendent Man has sent Lois flowers and a >box of chocolates. He's gone, and the flowers are in the trash, but Lois is >picking through the candy, taking out the pieces that she likes, while she >talks to Clark. She stops at one point and offers a piece of candy to >Clark, "You can have this one, it's coconut." > >I probably don't have the dialog quite right, but I couldn't forget that >scene. The first time I saw it I was ROTFL. It defined Lois' personality >so nicely; she was very serious and focused as she worked her way through >the candy, then almost as an afterthought, gave her leftovers to Clark. The >idea of Lois giving Clark "crumbs" struck me as metaphor for where they were >in their relationship, too ;) Thanks, Pat, I found it! Well, kind of ... the script does *not* have the details, to answer Shadowfax's question. It just says: 26 LOIS' APARTMENT - A LITTLE LATER 26 The stuff on the dining room table has been moved aside. Lois and Clark are sitting opposite each other, the box of candy open between them. Lois has her notebook in her hand, bringing Clark up to speed on her day. LOIS -- so after going to sixteen tattoo parlors, only,they're all called dermal emporiums now, I finally found somebody who recognized the (X) tattoo on his hand as being the (X) work of a 'dermal artiste' named (X) Allegra Vennum, I am not making (X) this up, but by the time I got to (X) the relevant dermal emporium, it (X) was closed, so that's on the list (X) for tomorrow. (X) CLARK I've never been to a tattoo (X) parlor. (X) LOIS It's an experience... (X) I don't remember the scene in question, but you can be sure I'm going to watch for it now! Since today was CoM, Friday's episode should be BftB, assuming they go in order. (And that means Thursday should be ...da da da! ... TOGOM! /me does a happy dance around the computer room. ) >Kathy do you know if any of the "missing" scenes were ever filmed? If they >were, wouldn't it be great to have a director's cut DVD with the missing >scenes restored?. I think something similar was done a few years ago with >the original Star Trek episodes. I honestly don't know, Pat, but my guess would be that at least a good number of them were. For exmaple, in the dailies we've been able to get our hands on, we've occasionally found cuts that never made it into the show. So my guess is that, while some things are added/subtracted during filming (Lois's candy scene, for example), others are filmed and just were removed during editing. And yes, I would kill for a tape of all those missing scenes. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 02:46:39 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Bethy Em Subject: Question: Jimmy + car? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I remember this discussion coming up once (don't know where, and don't remember the outcome), but did Jimmy ever have a car? I would like him to have one in a short story I'm writing, but don't want to jar the readers too much if he didn't. Would it jar y'all to have him have a car? If he can have one, what kind should it be? Thanks! Bethy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:56:00 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Question: Jimmy + car? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He had a car in "Lucky Leon". I don't remember what kind it was. Nan Bethy Em wrote: > I remember this discussion coming up once (don't know where, and don't > remember the outcome), but did Jimmy ever have a car? I would like him to > have one in a short story I'm writing, but don't want to jar the readers too > much if he didn't. Would it jar y'all to have him have a car? > > If he can have one, what kind should it be? > > Thanks! > > Bethy > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:58:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Question: Jimmy + car? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bethy, In the Lucky Leon episode, Jimmy was shown driving a Mustang - at least I think it was a Mustang. It was a convertible, anyway. Irene --- Bethy Em wrote: > I remember this discussion coming up once (don't > know where, and don't > remember the outcome), but did Jimmy ever have a > car? I would like him to > have one in a short story I'm writing, but don't > want to jar the readers too > much if he didn't. Would it jar y'all to have him > have a car? > > If he can have one, what kind should it be? > > Thanks! > > Bethy > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:10:49 -0500 Reply-To: peabody Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: peabody Subject: Re: Question: Jimmy + car? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Irene wrote: > In the Lucky Leon episode, Jimmy was shown driving a > Mustang - at least I think it was a Mustang. It was a > convertible, anyway. I'm pretty sure you're right, Irene. I seem to remember a yellow Mustang convertible. Pat peabody@ameritech.net pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:26:02 -0500 Reply-To: jessicam@mail.sgcl.org Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jessi Mounts Subject: Re: Hand in the candy jar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kathy said: >I honestly don't know, Pat, but my guess would be that at least a good number >of them were. For exmaple, in the dailies we've been able to get our hands >on, we've occasionally found cuts that never made it into the show. Ooh, I'm curious now. What exactly did you find in these dailies? Jessi (who intends to watch BftB tomorrow thanks to all this discussion ) ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the Springfield-Greene County Library system at mail.sgcl.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:41:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shadow Fax Subject: Re: Hand in the candy jar Thanks, everyone, for trying to get an answer to the question. The scene I was thinking of wasn't the one with Clark stealing candy in Season's Greedings or the one with Lois giving Clark the coconut candy in BFTB. Both were funny scenes, but I was thinking of the one that Jude mentioned: >>If I remember correctly, Lois dipped into the legendary MnM's >jar and was apparently selecting the colors that she preferred. Which >doesn't make a lot of sense, since they all taste the same. Maybe it was >jelly beans. ?. :) Jude That's the scene I was thinking of. It started bugging me so much that I watched about 3 hours of LnC eps on fast play just so I could find it. It *is* in Metallo. It takes place in the newsroom just after Perry chews out Lois and Clark for talking about non-work related matters when he needs a story before deadline. L and C start talking about work again. Clark says something about Lex Labs and Lois asks when is Lex Luthor going to stop haunting Metropolis. Meanwhile, she's picking pieces of candy out of her hand and putting them back in the jar. They look like MnM's to me, too, Jude, and you're right that it doesn't make much sense. (Unless Lois hates blue M&M's as much as I do; just looking at them makes me sick. Bleccch. ;) Shadowfax