From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG0101B" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:42:50 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Qualfication of fics for Kerths In-Reply-To: <3A591080.EFD7CC6@bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Pam wrote: > (although technically, this one was >included last year so it's not eligible this year) Well, obviously I snipped things to prevent spoilers, but... The story in question was uploaded to the archive in the year 2000. I know it was posted to Zoom's mbs in '99, but isn't the archive the arbiter for qualification? Help me out here, Pam, so we don't have questions for later quizzes! :) Hazel _______ "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 05:37:58 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit S P O I L E R S P A C E << Quote 3: "Lex-a-chu!" >> LOL! This is the only one that looks remotely familiar to me and I can't even remember the name. I know it had to do with Pokemon and I think Tara wrote it. Alexis ;-.) "Oh, one more thing. If you ever need to find me, all you have to do is look up." (Superman) {LnC, Pilot} ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:24:29 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/8/01 2:42:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes: > The story in question was uploaded to the archive in the year 2000. I know > it was posted to Zoom's mbs in '99, but isn't the archive the arbiter for > qualification? > > My understanding was that unless an author requested a story which had been posted on the mbs to be considered, that the archive date was the one which counted for Kerth eligibility. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:28:21 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all :) S p o i l e r S p a c e > > Quote 1: > > "Demons, My Lord! Demons! The planet's full of them! Demons, everywhere..." Ummm... I think it's Trick or Treat, by LabRat. > > Quote 2: > > "I feel su-per! Ultra, ultra good!" No idea. > > Quote 3: > > "Lex-a-chu!" Uh... > > Quote 4: > > "Zoomway?" Oh! Easy. AOL: a revelation, by Rose Cookson. > > Quote 5: > > "Dad, no! Mom said you're not to drink any more punch! And you're not > supposed to tell blondes how beautiful they are!" Don't think I've read that. > > Quote 6: > > "It's not pretty, Ms. Lane. It's a thousand times more addictive than > anything else on the market, and as far as we can tell, there's no cure." He he, The Ultimate Drug, by Hazel. > > Quote 7: > > "I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and the Umpire of this game. I keep > score. I do not explain. Commence play, please." No idea. > > Quote 8: > > 'Must be all those Kansas winters. I bet they must call him "Dead-Eye Kent" > back home in Smallville.' Don't know either. > > Quote 9: > > "The stars trembled with my birth. Greatness was in my blood and bone from > the moment I was conceived, and it was only a matter of time before the > world shook with the weight of my stride. I am Lex!" LOL! But sorry, I don't know. > > Quote 10: > > "Hiya, Mags! You know, you were almost me!" Don't know either. > Excerpt 2: > > "Lois?" the voice came out of nowhere. I looked at my captors, but they > didn't react at all ... apparently only my super hearing had detected the > sound of my husband's voice. It took all my willpower not to betray my relief. > > "Yes?" I said. > > "Can you hear me?" > > "Yes." > > My captors were looking at me in consternation. "What's she doing?" > > "She's talking to Superman! She must have a receiver on her!" The > suspicious man rushed forward and began running his grimy hands through my > hair, probing and searching. Yuk. > > "You're all right? You really have super powers?" > > "Keep your hands off me! ... yes." > > "And they have kryptonite?" > > "Yes, yes, yes!" Still don't know. > > Excerpt 3: > > Clark looked at the box and grinned. "Your mother sent it as a gift for > the babies. She really seems to be looking forward to being a > grandmother. I was on my way home when I heard you scream." > > "Yes, well," Lois shifted uncomfortably in her recliner. Visions of the > toys her mother might send her for the twins filled her mind, none of them > very exciting. "What is it?" > > Her husband started to turn the box. As Lois caught sight of the logo on > the side she gulped and as the front of the box came into view she paled. > > "Aaah!" Lois pushed herself awkwardly out of her chair and ran . . . well, > waddled, away from Clark and the horrible box and its contents as quickly > as she could. Nope, no idea there either. > > Excerpt 5: > > But I *am* Superman," said Dad stubbornly. Everyone laughed, and he > frowned. "Look, I'll prove it." Stepping to one side of the lectern, he > loosened his tie, then grabbed his shirt in both hands and pulled. There > was a ripping sound and buttons flew everywhere. Someone screamed and a > lot of other people laughed. > > "Nice, Kent, but where's Superman?" jeered Ralph. > > Daddy looked down at his bare chest, then raised his head with a puzzled > look. "I'm not wearing the suit," he said. "Why not?" He looked up at > us. "Honey, do you know why I'm not wearing the suit?" > > Mom just continued fussing with the lock. I hoped she'd hurry, because > some of the women in the audience were starting to act *really* > silly--screaming and laughing while they fanned themselves and hugged each > other and did a bunch of dumb stuff like that. I haven't read that one either. > > Excerpt 7: > > As she smacked the ball, she shouted triumphantly, "I KNOW THE *TRUTH*!" > > She watched the ball touch down and careen back out of play as Superman and > Clark, converging from opposite sides of the court, frantically tried to > reach it. > > "Game, set, match, Miss Lane." > > Raising clenched left fist and right hand clutching racquet in the air she > yelled, "YES!" and ran to the net, still watching Superman and Clark who > now, having reached the center point, crashed together in a blinding flash > of incandescent light that seemed to last forever. > > In the phosphorescent haze, she could see a single outline--Clark wearing > his glasses... and Superman's cape. Oooh! I remember that. It was posted to the fic list... A tennis-revelation. I think it's by Judith Williams, but I can't remember the title. > > Excerpt 8: > > "Lois! This *big, tough* boy here thought it would be a really good idea > for him and *three* other kids to gang up on this young lady." He paused to > exchange a smile with the happy little girl. "I think we took care of the > others, but would you care to show a little female solidarity and deal with > Mr Courage here?" > > How could she resist? She quickly picked up a handful of snow. The boy, she > saw, had recovered from his stupor, and would have tried for some measure > of revenge... until he saw the grin on her face. > > He was in *big* trouble. > > He turned to run, but was too late. A perfectly-aimed snowball caught him > on the side of the head, taking off his cap and sending snow down his neck > and onto his back. Arrrrgh, I'm *sure* I read that, but I can't remember the title or the author, sorry! > > Excerpt 9: > > "Besides, we have at least two other Luthors in this wing alone. Who's > going to want to read it? These days, nobody takes a villain seriously if > he has an idiot for a henchman. What was his name? Otto? Otis?" > > "That's the other fellow--the impostor down in 13b. I never would have let > myself get that out of shape. Besides, he thinks he's Gene Hackman half the > time." Luthor stepped off the chair. "I'll have you know that my henchman > was quite competent, a renegade ex-spy named Nigel St. John." > > "Oh, you mean the guy down in 12d? The way he tells it, you were just his > patsy the whole time." The orderly smirked. "Maybe you could write one of > those comedic books. Those things sell like hot cakes. I can see it now, > '1001 stupid villain tricks'." > > The orderly grabbed Lex's arm. "Now the Luthor down on the fifth floor, > he's got something to brag about. How he managed to build a set of alien > battle armor with only a fountain pen and a transistor radio, I'll never know." LOL! Now I know. That's Seeking Asylum, by Shayne Terry. > > Excerpt 10: > > A humming whine sounded and a sixth person materialised in the room. She > was tall and slender, with the best figure anyone in the room had seen > outside of a comic book. Her long, reddish-blonde hair was curled, and > framed her delicately beautiful features. Her emerald green form-fitted > floor-length formal gown matched her eye colour perfectly. Something about > her seemed incredibly familiar -- as though all of them had seen her > somewhere before. > > "Who are *you*?" Lois demanded, never one to let unexpected arrivals put > her off-guard. > > "I'm the negotiator," the woman said. "You can call me Mary Sue." > > "Mary Sue?" Jimmy said. His expression brightened as he looked her over. > "Aren't you the one who--" > > "Visits various story-worlds, out-does the real characters and steals the > leading guy from the leading gal, and is actually a representation of the > Author as she wishes she was?" Mary Sue smiled charmingly. "Yes, that would > be me." > Nope, haven't read that one either. Ummmm, I think I have lots of reading to do . Thanks for the quiz, Hazel :) Helene :) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:34:25 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hazel asked > The story in question was uploaded to the archive in the year 2000. I know > it was posted to Zoom's mbs in '99, but isn't the archive the arbiter for > qualification? Not exactly. A story doesn't have to be on the archive to be eligible. If it's been posted *anywhere* before the end of 2000, then it's eligible for the Kerths (the author has it, then). And in this case, it's not eligible for the year after. For example, one of my stories has been uploaded to Anne's archive last december, and it'll be eligible this year. In this case, it won't be eligible for the Kerths 2002, even if it'll be uploaded to Kathy's archive in 2001. Helene :) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:38:39 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > A story doesn't have to be on the archive to be eligible. If > it's been posted *anywhere* before the end of 2000, then it's eligible for > the Kerths (the author has it, then). That should have been 'the author has to request it', sorry. Helene :) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 07:56:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy Hey Hazel! Great work! :) >KERTH QUIZ: BEST COMEDY >Quote 1: > >"Demons, My Lord! Demons! The planet's full of them! Demons, everywhere..." LabRat's Trick Or Treat >Quote 2: > >"I feel su-per! Ultra, ultra good!" UltraWoman Lane? By UltraWoman Lane? >Quote 3: > >"Lex-a-chu!" Tara's Pokemon crossover... Pagimon >Quote 4: > >"Zoomway?" Oh, I know this... Rose Cookson's explanation for Lois's screen- name... 'AOL: A Revelation Story of the Alternate Kind'. > >Quote 5: > >"Dad, no! Mom said you're not to drink any more punch! And you're not >supposed to tell blondes how beautiful they are!" Um... > >Quote 6: > >"It's not pretty, Ms. Lane. It's a thousand times more addictive than >anything else on the market, and as far as we can tell, there's no cure." Hazel's own FDK fic: 'The Ultimate Drug'. >Quote 7: > >"I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and the Umpire of this game. I keep >score. I do not explain. Commence play, please." Judith Williams' 'Revelation, Anyone?' > >Quote 8: > >'Must be all those Kansas winters. I bet they must call him "Dead-Eye Kent" >back home in Smallville.' > Umm... >Quote 9: > >"The stars trembled with my birth. Greatness was in my blood and bone from >the moment I was conceived, and it was only a matter of time before the >world shook with the weight of my stride. I am Lex!" Umm... >Quote 10: > >"Hiya, Mags! You know, you were almost me!" Tara Smith's first Mary Sue comedy: 'Writer's Block: A Mary Sue Intervention'. >Excerpt 5: > >But I *am* Superman," said Dad stubbornly. Everyone laughed, and he >frowned. "Look, I'll prove it." Stepping to one side of the lectern, he >loosened his tie, then grabbed his shirt in both hands and pulled. There >was a ripping sound and buttons flew everywhere. Someone screamed and a >lot of other people laughed. > Aha! Kathryn Ann Kent's 48 Hours Without A Superman. >> >Excerpt 8: > >"Lois! This *big, tough* boy here thought it would be a really good idea >for him and *three* other kids to gang up on this young lady." He paused to >exchange a smile with the happy little girl. "I think we took care of the >others, but would you care to show a little female solidarity and deal with >Mr Courage here?" > Phil Atcliffe's 'Tis The Sidewalk Season'. >Excerpt 9: > >"Besides, we have at least two other Luthors in this wing alone. Who's >going to want to read it? These days, nobody takes a villain seriously if >he has an idiot for a henchman. What was his name? Otto? Otis?" > Ooh! 'Shayne's Seeking Asylum'! So... how'd I do? Wendy ----------- Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:03:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy Darn! Two mistakes! Forgot the spoiler space, and... s p o i l e r s p a c e ...I was looking at the wrong story in my list of Christmas fics, and named a different story for Phil's 'The Spirit Of...' Sorry! Wendy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:07:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > (although technically, this one was > >included last year so it's not eligible this year) > > Well, obviously I snipped things to prevent spoilers, but... > > The story in question was uploaded to the archive in the year 2000. I know > it was posted to Zoom's mbs in '99, but isn't the archive the arbiter for > qualification? Yes, very true ... but the author requested that this fic be eligible *last* year, so obviously it can't be eligible two years in a row :) I know it's on the eligible list, because we were late in catching the correction, so this is our fault, not yours. Erin's just updated the list, I believe. (See why we'd prefer it if everyone kept to the archive upload standard and didn't request exemptions? It just makes extra work, two years running...) -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:23:10 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I did wince when I saw that Hazel had included this one and it *isn't* eligible this year. Sorry, Hazel! It never occurred to me that you might use it, otherwise I'd have mailed you just to ensure you knew. I did immediately email Erin to ask her to remove it as soon as I realised it was on the list, but obviously she wasn't able to get around to quite soon enough with RL taking precedence for a time there. :) Apologies for the confusion. :) Pam, it shouldn't be that much more work, surely? If the author advised Kathy that they have requested the story be made eligible and can she remove it from the Archive spreadsheet accordingly, isn't that all that would be necessary? Or is the spreadsheet more complicated than that? Spreadsheets are like poison to me, so I know zip about them, admittedly. LabRat :) > > > (although technically, this one was > > >included last year so it's not eligible this year) > > > > Well, obviously I snipped things to prevent spoilers, but... > > > > The story in question was uploaded to the archive in the year 2000. I know > > it was posted to Zoom's mbs in '99, but isn't the archive the arbiter for > > qualification? > > Yes, very true ... but the author requested that this fic be eligible > *last* year, so obviously it can't be eligible two years in a row :) I > know it's on the eligible list, because we were late in catching the > correction, so this is our fault, not yours. Erin's just updated the > list, I believe. > > (See why we'd prefer it if everyone kept to the archive upload standard > and didn't request exemptions? It just makes extra work, two years > running...) > -- > > Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net > http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam > http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ > > "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the > very first VeggieTales success video! Are you > ready to make millions of dollars in real estate > with no money down? I know I am!" > --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:47:29 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Fanfic recommendation... for the future Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I know that many of us are frantically trying to catch up with our Kerth reading, so I'm a bit hesitant to recommend a story that doesn't qualify for the upcoming Kerths... But this story is so good that I can't resist. A new LONG story went up on the archive yesterday: Lifelight, by Raconteur. Rac has been posting this story on the mbs for nearly a year now. I'm afraid that I'm very much behind in reading it, but I'd guess that this 400K story is, oh, about half of what's been posted so far. :) I don't have time to start rereading it myself now; but the sections I *did* read before I drowned in the avalanche of postings (and bouts of RL) were so amazingly well-written that I can't wait until I do get that chance! It's a marvelous Elseworld that captures the flavor of the show so perfectly that it's scary. It's exactly LnC -- just completely different. :) Oh, I can't explain it! You'll have to read it for yourself. Save this one carefully, and set it aside for the day after the Kerths if need be. And put it into your 2001 Kerths folder. It's never too early to start making one of those. :) :) Hazel ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:13:27 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Kerths Eligibility Page Updated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, Just wanted to pass the word along that I got all the updates and corrections posted to my Kerths Eligibility page just a few minutes ago, so please surf over there and check it out. I would hate for you to miss any of the great stories that have been added to the eligibility list. :) I tried to wait a few days to update this list, in the hopes that everyone who needed me to change the web page would contact me by now, so that I'd only have to update the page once. In case I need to make another update, though, I'll list the date and time it's made. I hope I won't have to do that, though. Please feel free to email me if I've missed anything, or if you have questions. Thanks! Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:35:53 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy > ~impressive drumroll~ > > Yep, FoLCs, it's that time of year again! With sixteen Kerth categories to > consider and nominations opening shortly, your friendly neighborhood quiz > setters will be challenging you twice a week to identify some of the > stories and authors that you might want to nominate for FoLCdom's highest > honors. Please remember, though, that a story doesn't have to be included > in a quiz to qualify! In addition, don't forget that Kerth rules permit > stories to be nominated in more than one category if you feel it deserves > recognition for different aspects. > > Here we go... :) > > KERTH QUIZ: BEST COMEDY > > Spiffy Disclaimer Thingy: All the fics in this quiz were uploaded to the > archive in 2000 and qualify for Best Comedy. HOWEVER, please note that any > inclusion or exclusion of a story should not be construed as a > recommendation or otherwise. Comedy is probably one of the most subjective > choices in the Kerths, and your idea of humor might very well be completely > different from mine! > > Additional reminder: Inclusion of a story in this quiz does *not* exclude > it from any other category. Nominating a story in multiple categories is > perfectly legal. Story 5 could be included in SuperFutures, Story 7 could > be nominated in Best Revelation... You get the idea. :) > > Quiz rules: Open hard drive and archive. When submitting your reply, please > let us know if you got the fic from the quote (worth two points) or the > excerpt (worth one point). And DON'T forget the spoiler space! (Warning: To > avoid frustrating multiple calculations, if you don't indicate one way or > the other, I'll assume you got the fic from the excerpt.) Answers will be > posted Wednesday or thereabouts. > > Please note that while most stories in the comedy category are short, one > story in this quiz is in the 50K range. > > Quote 1: > > "Demons, My Lord! Demons! The planet's full of them! Demons, everywhere..." uh, Trick or Treat by Labrat > > Quote 2: > > "I feel su-per! Ultra, ultra good!" No idea :( > > Quote 3: > > "Lex-a-chu!" hehehe! How could I possibly miss this one? Pagimon by me, Tara Smith > > Quote 4: > > "Zoomway?" > Uh, no idea :( > Quote 5: > > "Dad, no! Mom said you're not to drink any more punch! And you're not > supposed to tell blondes how beautiful they are!" > hehe! I remember this one, but don't remember the title. > Quote 6: > > "It's not pretty, Ms. Lane. It's a thousand times more addictive than > anything else on the market, and as far as we can tell, there's no cure." > The Ultimate Drug by Hazel > Quote 7: > > "I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and the Umpire of this game. I keep > score. I do not explain. Commence play, please." > uh, no idea. Sounds good, though > Quote 8: > > 'Must be all those Kansas winters. I bet they must call him "Dead-Eye Kent" > back home in Smallville.' nope no idea :( > > Quote 9: > > "The stars trembled with my birth. Greatness was in my blood and bone from > the moment I was conceived, and it was only a matter of time before the > world shook with the weight of my stride. I am Lex!" > Sounds good. I'll have to check it out when I find out what it is. > Quote 10: > > "Hiya, Mags! You know, you were almost me!" Writers Block: A Mary Sue Intervention by me, Tara Smith > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > Excerpt 1: > > "Ching, Jor-El sent a child to this world! A child!" She stepped in close > and gripped his arms tight, eyes wild in her pinched face. She turned her > head away from him, a frightened glance at the opaque barrier shielding > them from the horrors beyond its protective wall. "How could a child > survive in a world filled with demons? He's dead, Ching. Kal-El was surely > dead the moment his ship landed on this demon world!" > > "But...I don't understand. Jor-El's data, the disk we retrieved, it said > that this was a paradise for our kind. That it was safe. He sent his son > into a world he knew was safe and - " > > "Jor-El's data was flawed. Or this world changed before Kal came here. I do > not know." She faced him, solemn eyed. "But I do know that Kal-El is dead. > He could never have survived, a child alone, in the midst of those > creatures. Against Ashbla'l? Against the Warrior Killer? The Destroyer of > Worlds?!" > > Ching stared at her. Almost against his will, his own gaze flicked to the > Shield Wall again. > I love this one! > Excerpt 2: > > "Lois?" the voice came out of nowhere. I looked at my captors, but they > didn't react at all ... apparently only my super hearing had detected the > sound of my husband's voice. It took all my willpower not to betray my relief. > > "Yes?" I said. > > "Can you hear me?" > > "Yes." > > My captors were looking at me in consternation. "What's she doing?" > > "She's talking to Superman! She must have a receiver on her!" The > suspicious man rushed forward and began running his grimy hands through my > hair, probing and searching. Yuk. > > "You're all right? You really have super powers?" > > "Keep your hands off me! ... yes." > > "And they have kryptonite?" > > "Yes, yes, yes!" > Definately a must-read. Still no idea what it is, though :( > Excerpt 3: > > Clark looked at the box and grinned. "Your mother sent it as a gift for > the babies. She really seems to be looking forward to being a > grandmother. I was on my way home when I heard you scream." > > "Yes, well," Lois shifted uncomfortably in her recliner. Visions of the > toys her mother might send her for the twins filled her mind, none of them > very exciting. "What is it?" > > Her husband started to turn the box. As Lois caught sight of the logo on > the side she gulped and as the front of the box came into view she paled. > > "Aaah!" Lois pushed herself awkwardly out of her chair and ran . . . well, > waddled, away from Clark and the horrible box and its contents as quickly > as she could. > :) It's nice someone remembers this one. > Excerpt 4: > > "What's got you so tense, Hon?" Clark asked, messaging her shoulders gently. > > "Oh, it's nothing... Just this stupid AOL. I've been trying and trying to > create a screen name, but everytime I type something in, it's taken!" > > "Well, what have you tried? Maybe I can help you come up with something." > > "I've tried Lois Lane, Lois Kent, LoisLaneKent, and even Mad Dog Lane. All > of them, already in use. How many people could possibly be called Mad Dog > Lane? I was even going to try Ultrawoman, but I didn't want to risk anyone > to making the connection." > lol! Another must-read! > Excerpt 5: > > But I *am* Superman," said Dad stubbornly. Everyone laughed, and he > frowned. "Look, I'll prove it." Stepping to one side of the lectern, he > loosened his tie, then grabbed his shirt in both hands and pulled. There > was a ripping sound and buttons flew everywhere. Someone screamed and a > lot of other people laughed. > > "Nice, Kent, but where's Superman?" jeered Ralph. > > Daddy looked down at his bare chest, then raised his head with a puzzled > look. "I'm not wearing the suit," he said. "Why not?" He looked up at > us. "Honey, do you know why I'm not wearing the suit?" > > Mom just continued fussing with the lock. I hoped she'd hurry, because > some of the women in the audience were starting to act *really* > silly--screaming and laughing while they fanned themselves and hugged each > other and did a bunch of dumb stuff like that. > lol! > Excerpt 6: > > Dr. Folk hesitated. "That's not entirely true. There is a strong tendency > for victims to spread the addiction. In their excitement over the fix, they > will encourage others to give them further doses, and also offer doses to > others in an effort to proliferate the problem." > > "They offer doses of FDK to other victims?" Lois stared at him, > incredulous. "But I thought you said that the victims are constantly > looking for another fix!" > > "It's hard to explain," said Dr. Folk, spreading his hands in apology. "But > it seems clear that a FDK victim can somehow give a fix to another victim > without lessening his or her own dosage. It seems almost symbiotic; the > more fixes one victim offers to others, the more that victim seems to > receive from those same sources." > lolol! > Excerpt 7: > > As she smacked the ball, she shouted triumphantly, "I KNOW THE *TRUTH*!" > > She watched the ball touch down and careen back out of play as Superman and > Clark, converging from opposite sides of the court, frantically tried to > reach it. > > "Game, set, match, Miss Lane." > > Raising clenched left fist and right hand clutching racquet in the air she > yelled, "YES!" and ran to the net, still watching Superman and Clark who > now, having reached the center point, crashed together in a blinding flash > of incandescent light that seemed to last forever. > > In the phosphorescent haze, she could see a single outline--Clark wearing > his glasses... and Superman's cape. > > Excerpt 8: > > "Lois! This *big, tough* boy here thought it would be a really good idea > for him and *three* other kids to gang up on this young lady." He paused to > exchange a smile with the happy little girl. "I think we took care of the > others, but would you care to show a little female solidarity and deal with > Mr Courage here?" > > How could she resist? She quickly picked up a handful of snow. The boy, she > saw, had recovered from his stupor, and would have tried for some measure > of revenge... until he saw the grin on her face. > > He was in *big* trouble. > > He turned to run, but was too late. A perfectly-aimed snowball caught him > on the side of the head, taking off his cap and sending snow down his neck > and onto his back. > ooh, Tank wrote this one. 'Tis the Sidwalk Season > Excerpt 9: > > "Besides, we have at least two other Luthors in this wing alone. Who's > going to want to read it? These days, nobody takes a villain seriously if > he has an idiot for a henchman. What was his name? Otto? Otis?" > > "That's the other fellow--the impostor down in 13b. I never would have let > myself get that out of shape. Besides, he thinks he's Gene Hackman half the > time." Luthor stepped off the chair. "I'll have you know that my henchman > was quite competent, a renegade ex-spy named Nigel St. John." > > "Oh, you mean the guy down in 12d? The way he tells it, you were just his > patsy the whole time." The orderly smirked. "Maybe you could write one of > those comedic books. Those things sell like hot cakes. I can see it now, > '1001 stupid villain tricks'." > > The orderly grabbed Lex's arm. "Now the Luthor down on the fifth floor, > he's got something to brag about. How he managed to build a set of alien > battle armor with only a fountain pen and a transistor radio, I'll never know." Sounds good! I'll have to look that one up! > > Excerpt 10: > > A humming whine sounded and a sixth person materialised in the room. She > was tall and slender, with the best figure anyone in the room had seen > outside of a comic book. Her long, reddish-blonde hair was curled, and > framed her delicately beautiful features. Her emerald green form-fitted > floor-length formal gown matched her eye colour perfectly. Something about > her seemed incredibly familiar -- as though all of them had seen her > somewhere before. > > "Who are *you*?" Lois demanded, never one to let unexpected arrivals put > her off-guard. > > "I'm the negotiator," the woman said. "You can call me Mary Sue." > > "Mary Sue?" Jimmy said. His expression brightened as he looked her over. > "Aren't you the one who--" > > "Visits various story-worlds, out-does the real characters and steals the > leading guy from the leading gal, and is actually a representation of the > Author as she wishes she was?" Mary Sue smiled charmingly. "Yes, that would > be me." > It's so nice to be remembered! Thanks, Hazel! Tara > Enjoy! > > > > > > _______ > > "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:45:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "StarKitty" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hazel" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 4:01 PM > Subject: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy > > > > ~impressive drumroll~ > > > > Yep, FoLCs, it's that time of year again! With sixteen Kerth categories to > > consider and nominations opening shortly, your friendly neighborhood quiz > > setters will be challenging you twice a week to identify some of the > > stories and authors that you might want to nominate for FoLCdom's highest > > honors. Please remember, though, that a story doesn't have to be included > > in a quiz to qualify! In addition, don't forget that Kerth rules permit > > stories to be nominated in more than one category if you feel it deserves > > recognition for different aspects. > > > > Here we go... :) > > > > KERTH QUIZ: BEST COMEDY > > > > Spiffy Disclaimer Thingy: All the fics in this quiz were uploaded to the > > archive in 2000 and qualify for Best Comedy. HOWEVER, please note that any > > inclusion or exclusion of a story should not be construed as a > > recommendation or otherwise. Comedy is probably one of the most subjective > > choices in the Kerths, and your idea of humor might very well be > completely > > different from mine! > > > > Additional reminder: Inclusion of a story in this quiz does *not* exclude > > it from any other category. Nominating a story in multiple categories is > > perfectly legal. Story 5 could be included in SuperFutures, Story 7 could > > be nominated in Best Revelation... You get the idea. :) > > > > Quiz rules: Open hard drive and archive. When submitting your reply, > please > > let us know if you got the fic from the quote (worth two points) or the > > excerpt (worth one point). And DON'T forget the spoiler space! (Warning: > To > > avoid frustrating multiple calculations, if you don't indicate one way or > > the other, I'll assume you got the fic from the excerpt.) Answers will be > > posted Wednesday or thereabouts. > > > > Please note that while most stories in the comedy category are short, one > > story in this quiz is in the 50K range. > > > > Quote 1: > > > > "Demons, My Lord! Demons! The planet's full of them! Demons, > everywhere..." > > uh, Trick or Treat by Labrat > > > > Quote 2: > > > > "I feel su-per! Ultra, ultra good!" > > No idea :( > > > > > Quote 3: > > > > "Lex-a-chu!" > > hehehe! How could I possibly miss this one? Pagimon by me, Tara Smith > > > > Quote 4: > > > > "Zoomway?" > > > > Uh, no idea :( > > > Quote 5: > > > > "Dad, no! Mom said you're not to drink any more punch! And you're not > > supposed to tell blondes how beautiful they are!" > > > hehe! I remember this one, but don't remember the title. > > > Quote 6: > > > > "It's not pretty, Ms. Lane. It's a thousand times more addictive than > > anything else on the market, and as far as we can tell, there's no cure." > > > The Ultimate Drug by Hazel > > > Quote 7: > > > > "I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and the Umpire of this game. I keep > > score. I do not explain. Commence play, please." > > > uh, no idea. Sounds good, though > > > Quote 8: > > > > 'Must be all those Kansas winters. I bet they must call him "Dead-Eye > Kent" > > back home in Smallville.' > > nope no idea :( > > > > Quote 9: > > > > "The stars trembled with my birth. Greatness was in my blood and bone from > > the moment I was conceived, and it was only a matter of time before the > > world shook with the weight of my stride. I am Lex!" > > > > Sounds good. I'll have to check it out when I find out what it is. > > > Quote 10: > > > > "Hiya, Mags! You know, you were almost me!" > > Writers Block: A Mary Sue Intervention by me, Tara Smith > > > > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > > > Excerpt 1: > > > > "Ching, Jor-El sent a child to this world! A child!" She stepped in close > > and gripped his arms tight, eyes wild in her pinched face. She turned her > > head away from him, a frightened glance at the opaque barrier shielding > > them from the horrors beyond its protective wall. "How could a child > > survive in a world filled with demons? He's dead, Ching. Kal-El was surely > > dead the moment his ship landed on this demon world!" > > > > "But...I don't understand. Jor-El's data, the disk we retrieved, it said > > that this was a paradise for our kind. That it was safe. He sent his son > > into a world he knew was safe and - " > > > > "Jor-El's data was flawed. Or this world changed before Kal came here. I > do > > not know." She faced him, solemn eyed. "But I do know that Kal-El is dead. > > He could never have survived, a child alone, in the midst of those > > creatures. Against Ashbla'l? Against the Warrior Killer? The Destroyer of > > Worlds?!" > > > > Ching stared at her. Almost against his will, his own gaze flicked to the > > Shield Wall again. > > > > I love this one! > > > Excerpt 2: > > > > "Lois?" the voice came out of nowhere. I looked at my captors, but they > > didn't react at all ... apparently only my super hearing had detected the > > sound of my husband's voice. It took all my willpower not to betray my > relief. > > > > "Yes?" I said. > > > > "Can you hear me?" > > > > "Yes." > > > > My captors were looking at me in consternation. "What's she doing?" > > > > "She's talking to Superman! She must have a receiver on her!" The > > suspicious man rushed forward and began running his grimy hands through my > > hair, probing and searching. Yuk. > > > > "You're all right? You really have super powers?" > > > > "Keep your hands off me! ... yes." > > > > "And they have kryptonite?" > > > > "Yes, yes, yes!" > > > Definately a must-read. Still no idea what it is, though :( > > > > Excerpt 3: > > > > Clark looked at the box and grinned. "Your mother sent it as a gift for > > the babies. She really seems to be looking forward to being a > > grandmother. I was on my way home when I heard you scream." > > > > "Yes, well," Lois shifted uncomfortably in her recliner. Visions of the > > toys her mother might send her for the twins filled her mind, none of them > > very exciting. "What is it?" > > > > Her husband started to turn the box. As Lois caught sight of the logo on > > the side she gulped and as the front of the box came into view she paled. > > > > "Aaah!" Lois pushed herself awkwardly out of her chair and ran . . . well, > > waddled, away from Clark and the horrible box and its contents as quickly > > as she could. > > > :) It's nice someone remembers this one. > > > > Excerpt 4: > > > > "What's got you so tense, Hon?" Clark asked, messaging her shoulders > gently. > > > > "Oh, it's nothing... Just this stupid AOL. I've been trying and trying > to > > create a screen name, but everytime I type something in, it's taken!" > > > > "Well, what have you tried? Maybe I can help you come up with something." > > > > "I've tried Lois Lane, Lois Kent, LoisLaneKent, and even Mad Dog Lane. > All > > of them, already in use. How many people could possibly be called Mad Dog > > Lane? I was even going to try Ultrawoman, but I didn't want to risk > anyone > > to making the connection." > > > lol! Another must-read! > > > Excerpt 5: > > > > But I *am* Superman," said Dad stubbornly. Everyone laughed, and he > > frowned. "Look, I'll prove it." Stepping to one side of the lectern, he > > loosened his tie, then grabbed his shirt in both hands and pulled. There > > was a ripping sound and buttons flew everywhere. Someone screamed and a > > lot of other people laughed. > > > > "Nice, Kent, but where's Superman?" jeered Ralph. > > > > Daddy looked down at his bare chest, then raised his head with a puzzled > > look. "I'm not wearing the suit," he said. "Why not?" He looked up at > > us. "Honey, do you know why I'm not wearing the suit?" > > > > Mom just continued fussing with the lock. I hoped she'd hurry, because > > some of the women in the audience were starting to act *really* > > silly--screaming and laughing while they fanned themselves and hugged each > > other and did a bunch of dumb stuff like that. > > > lol! > > > Excerpt 6: > > > > Dr. Folk hesitated. "That's not entirely true. There is a strong tendency > > for victims to spread the addiction. In their excitement over the fix, > they > > will encourage others to give them further doses, and also offer doses to > > others in an effort to proliferate the problem." > > > > "They offer doses of FDK to other victims?" Lois stared at him, > > incredulous. "But I thought you said that the victims are constantly > > looking for another fix!" > > > > "It's hard to explain," said Dr. Folk, spreading his hands in apology. > "But > > it seems clear that a FDK victim can somehow give a fix to another victim > > without lessening his or her own dosage. It seems almost symbiotic; the > > more fixes one victim offers to others, the more that victim seems to > > receive from those same sources." > > > lolol! > > > Excerpt 7: > > > > As she smacked the ball, she shouted triumphantly, "I KNOW THE *TRUTH*!" > > > > She watched the ball touch down and careen back out of play as Superman > and > > Clark, converging from opposite sides of the court, frantically tried to > > reach it. > > > > "Game, set, match, Miss Lane." > > > > Raising clenched left fist and right hand clutching racquet in the air she > > yelled, "YES!" and ran to the net, still watching Superman and Clark who > > now, having reached the center point, crashed together in a blinding flash > > of incandescent light that seemed to last forever. > > > > In the phosphorescent haze, she could see a single outline--Clark wearing > > his glasses... and Superman's cape. > > > > Excerpt 8: > > > > "Lois! This *big, tough* boy here thought it would be a really good idea > > for him and *three* other kids to gang up on this young lady." He paused > to > > exchange a smile with the happy little girl. "I think we took care of the > > others, but would you care to show a little female solidarity and deal > with > > Mr Courage here?" > > > > How could she resist? She quickly picked up a handful of snow. The boy, > she > > saw, had recovered from his stupor, and would have tried for some measure > > of revenge... until he saw the grin on her face. > > > > He was in *big* trouble. > > > > He turned to run, but was too late. A perfectly-aimed snowball caught him > > on the side of the head, taking off his cap and sending snow down his neck > > and onto his back. > > I realized like 2 seconds after I hit send that I'd gotten this one wrong :( Sorry, Phil! This was The Spirit of... (this probably doesn't count towards my score, though, does it?) > ooh, Tank wrote this one. 'Tis the Sidwalk Season > > > Excerpt 9: > > > > "Besides, we have at least two other Luthors in this wing alone. Who's > > going to want to read it? These days, nobody takes a villain seriously if > > he has an idiot for a henchman. What was his name? Otto? Otis?" > > > > "That's the other fellow--the impostor down in 13b. I never would have let > > myself get that out of shape. Besides, he thinks he's Gene Hackman half > the > > time." Luthor stepped off the chair. "I'll have you know that my henchman > > was quite competent, a renegade ex-spy named Nigel St. John." > > > > "Oh, you mean the guy down in 12d? The way he tells it, you were just his > > patsy the whole time." The orderly smirked. "Maybe you could write one of > > those comedic books. Those things sell like hot cakes. I can see it now, > > '1001 stupid villain tricks'." > > > > The orderly grabbed Lex's arm. "Now the Luthor down on the fifth floor, > > he's got something to brag about. How he managed to build a set of alien > > battle armor with only a fountain pen and a transistor radio, I'll never > know." > > Sounds good! I'll have to look that one up! > > > > Excerpt 10: > > > > A humming whine sounded and a sixth person materialised in the room. She > > was tall and slender, with the best figure anyone in the room had seen > > outside of a comic book. Her long, reddish-blonde hair was curled, and > > framed her delicately beautiful features. Her emerald green form-fitted > > floor-length formal gown matched her eye colour perfectly. Something about > > her seemed incredibly familiar -- as though all of them had seen her > > somewhere before. > > > > "Who are *you*?" Lois demanded, never one to let unexpected arrivals put > > her off-guard. > > > > "I'm the negotiator," the woman said. "You can call me Mary Sue." > > > > "Mary Sue?" Jimmy said. His expression brightened as he looked her over. > > "Aren't you the one who--" > > > > "Visits various story-worlds, out-does the real characters and steals the > > leading guy from the leading gal, and is actually a representation of the > > Author as she wishes she was?" Mary Sue smiled charmingly. "Yes, that > would > > be me." > > > It's so nice to be remembered! > > > Thanks, Hazel! > > Tara > > > Enjoy! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______ > > > > "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:17:52 -0000 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I'll give it a shot, even though I'm clueless about most of them. The excerpts were brilliant, btw - very entertaining, even without reading the whole story . S P O I L E R S P A C E > Quote 1: > > "Demons, My Lord! Demons! The planet's full of them! Demons, everywhere..." >From the quote, this is LabRat's Halloween story with the kids playing in the street, the title of which escapes me as they always do. Do I get any extra points for remembering her original use of the word 'strewn'? > Quote 6: > > "It's not pretty, Ms. Lane. It's a thousand times more addictive than > anything else on the market, and as far as we can tell, there's no cure." > I got this from the exerpt - this is your own story, Hazel, about the dangerously addictive drug called fdk (feedback). Again, no idea what the title is. > Quote 7: > > "I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and the Umpire of this game. I keep > score. I do not explain. Commence play, please." Not the foggiest, but I loved the Mary Sue quote! I know - nil points ;) Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:43:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:23:10 -0000, LabRat wrote: >If the author advised >Kathy that they have requested the story be made eligible and can she remove >it from the Archive spreadsheet accordingly, isn't that all that would be >necessary? Or is the spreadsheet more complicated than that? Spreadsheets >are like poison to me, so I know zip about them, admittedly. Except last year, none of the authors told *me* to remove their stories. They'd tell Erin, at various times, and she'd update the website as they did, but that information didn't always get to my spreadsheet (which is really the Archive's spreadsheet, just made available to the Kerths. It wasn't meant to be Kerth document, so it wasn't set up to include Kerth-specific information that didn't apply to the Archive. Plus I would never want to simply remove a story from the Archive spreadsheet, because then my Archive information would be incomplete. I use that information for much more than just the Kerths -- and titles for Kerths are just a small part of the records I keep for the Archive.) For a few stories (Debby's "My Journal", for example, and the two "Swap Meet" stories), I had flagged them in the spreadsheet when they were uploaded, just because I remembered them from the Kerth list. But the others weren't labeled, and we had to scramble this year to try to recreate the list. Admittedly, part of that was miscommunication on our (the Kerth committee's) part -- by the time I was able to go to the Kerth page to get the old list, to cross check with what I had, Erin had already replaced it with a draft of the new list. So now I know I have to be more proactive, and I'm now trying to add such info into my Archive spreadsheet for the future. These are sorts of things we learn each year, to improve our performance. But the point Pam made is a valid one -- when there are multiple sources for stories, it does create a lot more work for us, to cross-check (and often *re*-cross-check) every story. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:55:03 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: > > So now I know I have to be more proactive, and I'm now trying to add such > info into my Archive spreadsheet for the future. These are sorts of things > we learn each year, to improve our performance. But the point Pam made is a > valid one -- when there are multiple sources for stories, it does create a > lot more work for us, to cross-check (and often *re*-cross-check) every > story. > You misconstrue my point, Kathy. Which was, that it shouldn't be extra work for any of the committee. What I was saying was precisely this - the onus should be on the authors to contact you to remove any story from the Archive spreadsheet where applicable. It shouldn't be on you to go searching out that info. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:09:15 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Bethy Em Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed S P O I L E R S P A C E 1. "Trick or Treat" by Labrat (from quote) 2. ???????? 3. "Pagimon" by Tara Smith (from quote) 4. "AOL: A Revelation Story of the Alternate Kind" by Rose (from quote) 5. "48 Hours Without a Superman" by Kathryn Ann Kent (from quote) 6. "The Ultimate Drug" by Hazel (from quote) 7. "Revelation, Anyone? A Smashing Discovery" by Jude (from quote) 8. "The Spirit of..." by Phil Atcliffe (from quote) 9. "Seeking Asylum" by Shane Terry (from quote) 10. "Writer's Block -- A Mary Sue Intervention" by Tara Smith (from quote) Bethy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:46:10 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dennis Arendt Subject: Off Topic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy gave me permission to post this. This is not a hoax!!! It happened to me and I thought the rest of the folcs should know about it. Twice in the last six days I have gotten, through my email, the Win32.FunLove.4099 virus. As you know this nasty little bug can lie dormant for a long time before it takes your system down and is passed through emails. There doesn't even have to be an attachment. Both of these infected emails came from fellow folcs. My virus scan caught it right away and I was able to delete the mail pronto but it still had began to infect my systems. I got rid of it and notified each folcs that they had infact forwarded the virus and suggested that they run a scan. Brenda ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:10:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marilyn Puett Subject: Re: Off Topic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed How ironic that the message right after yours in my email box was virus infected. It, however, had an attachment called Joke.exe that I'd already been warned about. I can't understand the mentality of people who deliberately create and pass along these things. They should be drawn and quartered. Thanks for the warning. Marilyn >From: Dennis Arendt >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Off Topic >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:46:10 -0800 > >Kathy gave me permission to post this. This is not a hoax!!! It happened >to >me and I thought the rest of the folcs should know about it. > >Twice in the last six days I have gotten, through my email, the >Win32.FunLove.4099 virus. As you know this nasty little bug can lie >dormant >for a long time before it takes your system down and is passed through >emails. There doesn't even have to be an attachment. > >Both of these infected emails came from fellow folcs. My virus scan caught >it right away and I was able to delete the mail pronto but it still had >began to infect my systems. I got rid of it and notified each folcs that >they had infact forwarded the virus and suggested that they run a scan. > >Brenda _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:56:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Lucky Leon music I know this has probably been asked and answered a bazillion times, but what is the music that is playing in the background while Lois and Clark are having dinner at the restaurant? Thanks....... Marilyn ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:03:14 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: Lucky Leon music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marilyn asked: > I know this has probably been asked and answered a bazillion times, but > what is the music that is playing in the background while Lois and Clark > are having dinner at the restaurant? It's the second part of Beethoven's Sonata for piano, 'La Pathetique'. Love that piece. :) Helene :) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:17:54 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Lucky Leon music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And even though I *know* it's Beethoven, I still think of it as Billy Joel's This Night Will Last Forever every single time I hear it. Probably because it fits with the theme of the scene, I guess. ;) LabRat :) > Marilyn asked: > > I know this has probably been asked and answered a bazillion times, but > > what is the music that is playing in the background while Lois and Clark > > are having dinner at the restaurant? > > It's the second part of Beethoven's Sonata for piano, 'La Pathetique'. Love > that piece. :) > > Helene :) > Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 21:19:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jacalyn Sue Newman Subject: looking for a fanfic.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I thought it was in my Kerth nominations folder, but I can't find it anywhere.... grumble. It's a somewhat shorter story, maybe 25 kb or so, if memory serves. The main them is Lois and Clark losing their daughter to a brain tumor or some other form of cancer. It was a very powerful story; You'd think I'd remember the details better! Does anyone recognize it? Am I in the wrong year? I could have sworn it was 2000 eligible, but you never know, as faulty as my on-board computer has been these days. Of course, I have no memory about the author's name, or the title. I have a vague notion that it was someone from the UK, and I do know that in real life, said daughter who was the inspiration for the story grew up and graduated from college. Does anyone think they can ID this story? Much appreciated! Jackie -- Jacalyn S. Newman jacalynsue@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 18:44:19 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: looking for a fanfic.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the story you're looking for is "Tempered by Fire" by Notrepooh. It sounds like it, anyway, although what their daughter died of wasn't a brain tumor. Nan Jacalyn Sue Newman wrote: > I thought it was in my Kerth nominations folder, but I can't find it > anywhere.... grumble. It's a somewhat shorter story, maybe 25 kb or > so, if memory serves. The main them is Lois and Clark losing their > daughter to a brain tumor or some other form of cancer. It was a very > powerful story; You'd think I'd remember the details better! Does > anyone recognize it? > > Am I in the wrong year? I could have sworn it was 2000 eligible, but > you never know, as faulty as my on-board computer has been these > days. Of course, I have no memory about the author's name, or the > title. I have a vague notion that it was someone from the UK, and I > do know that in real life, said daughter who was the inspiration for > the story grew up and graduated from college. > > Does anyone think they can ID this story? > Much appreciated! > > Jackie > -- > Jacalyn S. Newman > jacalynsue@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:12:32 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: looking for a fanfic.... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jackie wrote: >I thought it was in my Kerth nominations folder, but I can't find it >anywhere.... grumble. It's a somewhat shorter story, maybe 25 kb or >so, if memory serves. The main them is Lois and Clark losing their >daughter to a brain tumor or some other form of cancer. It was a very >powerful story; You'd think I'd remember the details better! Does >anyone recognize it? Wow, I have no idea. But it does sound like a powerful story. Someone help her out here so I can check it out, too. :) I'd forgotten how much I'd missed "looking for a fanfic" emails. They alert me to the many, many terrific stories out there in fandom that I have yet to read. Can't more ppl "look for a fanfic" more often? :) Erin __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:28:04 +1100 Reply-To: "jenerator@ozemail.com.au" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny or Joe Stosser Subject: Re: Lucky Leon music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many fans of Billy Joel (myself included) identified it as his song "This Night (will last forever), but on the album cover where this song appears, Billy credits Beethoven. Jen jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ 11477318 Photos of David (8) and Megan (5) on the Stosser Family HomePage http//www.geocities.com/j_stosser Please sign our guestbook! -----Original Message----- From: Kaethel [SMTP:kaethel@CLUB-INTERNET.FR] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:03 AM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: [LOISCLA-GENERAL-L] Lucky Leon music Marilyn asked: > I know this has probably been asked and answered a bazillion times, but > what is the music that is playing in the background while Lois and Clark > are having dinner at the restaurant? It's the second part of Beethoven's Sonata for piano, 'La Pathetique'. Love that piece. :) Helene :) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:02:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Help a poor out-of-the-loop fic reader, ple-e-e-ese? Comments: To: hmshipper@egroups.com, shipperhm@egroups.com, crystalship@egroups.com, IMZADI_ALL@egroups.com, Imzadi_Pro@egroups.com, JanewayChakotay@egroups.com, lcnfanfic@egroups.com, ptfever@egroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Authors, need I get on my hands and knees and beg? I've just gotten home yesterday from a 3 1/2 week Christmas vacation in southwest Michigan, and my ISP during that whole time refused to cough up my mail from this address. So, if you posted a story or parts of a story between December 13 and January 8, may I please ask you to send a copy to me? Pretty please? Thanks! Melisma (grateful in advance, here under her Rock) Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 04:17:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Diyan Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * Woo-hoo! Quiz time again. I'm a sucker - I always get caught up in these things. Okay, comedy isn't my best category, but let's see how I can do: Quote 1: "Demons, My Lord! Demons! The planet's full of them! Demons, everywhere..." Doesn't look familiar Quote 2: "I feel su-per! Ultra, ultra good!" Ultrawoman Lane=92s "The Revenge of Ultrawoman" Quote 3: "Lex-a-chu!" Tara Smith=92s "Pagimon" Quote 4: "Zoomway?" Rose=92s "AOL: A Revelation Story of the Alternate Kind" Quote 5: "Dad, no! Mom said you're not to drink any more punch! And you're not supposed to tell blondes how beautiful they are!" I don't think I've read this, but I think I want to :) Quote 6: "It's not pretty, Ms. Lane. It's a thousand times more addictive than anything else on the market, and as far as we can tell, there's no cure." Hazel=92s "The Ultimate Drug" Quote 7: "I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and the Umpire of this game. I keep score. I do not explain. Commence play, please." Jude=92s "Revelation, Anyone? A Smashing Discovery" Quote 8: 'Must be all those Kansas winters. I bet they must call him "Dead-= Eye Kent" back home in Smallville.' No clue. Quote 9: "The stars trembled with my birth. Greatness was in my blood and bone from the moment I was conceived, and it was only a matter of time before the world shook with the weight of my stride. I am Lex!" Shayne Terry=92s "Seeking Asylum" Quote 10: "Hiya, Mags! You know, you were almost me!" Tara Smith=92s "Writer=92s Block =96 A Mary Sue Invention" Well, 7 of 10, not too bad. I did look at the quotes for the other 3, and am now sure I've not read them. They look good, though; I'll have to go read them after I find out what they are. -Dia Okay, I've checked out other people's responses, and I should note that "Trick or Treat" is *not* eligible for the Kerths this year -- it was eligible last year. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:02:54 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * Quote 5: "Dad, no! Mom said you're not to drink any more punch! And you're not supposed to tell blondes how beautiful they are!" I don't think I've read this, but I think I want to :) You certainly do, Dia! I finally caught up with this one last night - 48 Hours Without a Superman by 'Kathryn Ann Kent' and it was the most hysterically funny fic I've read in a long time. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:29:39 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Help a poor out-of-the-loop fic reader, ple-e-e-ese? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010109220225.00880900@pop.intergate.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Authors, need I get on my hands and knees and beg? I've just gotten home >yesterday from a 3 1/2 week Christmas vacation in southwest Michigan, and >my ISP during that whole time refused to cough up my mail from this >address. So, if you posted a story or parts of a story between December 13 >and January 8, may I please ask you to send a copy to me? Pretty please? >Thanks! > >Melisma (grateful in advance, here under her Rock) Welcome back, Melisma! I hope your vacation was a great one. :) I think there were a few fanfics posted during that time, but remember that you can always go to the list archives at: http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla.general.html to read everything your ISP ate. (Darned ISPs. ) Hope this helps! Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:37:48 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Answers and scores for Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010108015024.00a9a630@actcom.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here are the answers to Kerth Quiz #1: BEST COMEDY >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E (In case anyone still wants to try it...) Story 1: Trick or Treat, by Labrat Story 2: The Revenge of Ultrawoman, by Ultrawoman Lane Story 3: Pagimon, by Tara Smith Story 4: AOL: A Revelation Story of the Alternate Kind, by Rose Story 5: 48 Hours Without a Superman, by Kathryn Ann Kent Story 6: The Ultimate Drug, by Hazel Story 7: Revelation, Anyone? A Smashing Discovery, by Jude Story 8: The Spirit Of..., by Phil Atcliffe Story 9: Seeking Asylum, by Shayne Terry Story 10: Writer's Block: A Mary Sue Intervention Sorry for the confusion re Labrat's story, which does NOT qualify for this year's Kerths. I'll try to more careful in the future! And no, it's not Labrat's fault, as I took stories from the archive without checking Erin's list first. Scoring: Out of a possible twenty points, Bethy Em gets an impressive 18 points, Wendy gets 16.5 points, Pam gets 15.5 points, Irene and Dia both get 14 points, Tara gets 8 points, Helene gets 7.5 points, Yvonne gets 1.5 points (despite her conviction she got none!) and Alexis gets 1 point and a smiley face. Bethy Em is our winner! Well done. As a note of interest, while several of you commended my taste in humor, I also got several private comments along the lines of, "Oh! How come you didn't use in your quiz?" The simple and quick answer: Because these are the stories that I thought fit into the comedy category. YMMV, certainly. Even mine might; I don't nec'ly claim all of the stories in this quiz as favorites. (Although I do admit a certain fondness for story #6. ) Let this all be a lesson to you! These quizzes are only POINTERS. It's the personal decision of every FoLC who nominates to choose your favorite fics! Over to you, Wendy... Hazel _______ "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:44:53 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Oops--ARchive URL correction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, Melisma...that URL should be: http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:11:34 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Answers and scores for Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hazel wrote: > >S > >P > >O > >I > >L > >E > >R > > > >S > >P > >A > >C > >E (In case anyone still wants to try it...) > > Sorry for the confusion re Labrat's story, which does NOT qualify for this > year's Kerths. I'll try to more careful in the future! And no, it's not > Labrat's fault, as I took stories from the archive without checking Erin's > list first. Is too! :P Even if you'd checked Erin's list, it would still - initially - have shown up there as eligible. Because yours truly, in her usual disorganised fashion, forgot to mail Kathy at the time and ask for it to be removed from the Archive spreadsheet. Thanks to Erin for correcting the error so promptly. :) Course, wish I hadn't bothered now! It never got this amount of attention last year. I have no idea why I asked for it to be eligible last year instead of letting it ride till 2001. I probably had a good reason at the time, but what the heck it was... Ah, well....such is life. LabRat :) (having a wonderful day searching through the eligibles list and reading lots of great fic she previously missed...) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:29:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:55:03 -0000, LabRat wrote: >What I was saying was precisely this - the onus >should be on the authors to contact you to remove any story from the Archive >spreadsheet where applicable. It shouldn't be on you to go searching out >that info. Thanks. :) I wish everyone shared your sentiments. Invariably we get an email like "Hello! DUH! This story shouldn't be on your list!" (or should be on the list, as the case may be.) This year so far, everyone has been polite, but in years past, Erin and and I have been reduced to tears by emails from so-called-FoLCs who have taken a blow-torch to us for making mistakes. But then again, someone found the old Kerth ballot from last year, unlinked to from anywhere as far as we know, and sent in a vote this week. We considered sending back a nice note telling them they were nine months late, but should feel free to check their votes against the list of winners. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:42:07 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: > Thanks. :) I wish everyone shared your sentiments. Invariably we get an > email like "Hello! DUH! This story shouldn't be on your list!" (or should > be on the list, as the case may be.) This year so far, everyone has been > polite, but in years past, Erin and and I have been reduced to tears by > emails from so-called-FoLCs who have taken a blow-torch to us for making > mistakes. Sigh... Now, I've been on the receiving end of working with the public, so I usually say that nothing would ever surprise me, but just sometimes... Okay, general plea to anyone whose blood pressure might be rising at some 'error' or other, slow downloads (Hi, C.J. ), whatever. Guys, let's remember that Kathy, the Kerth/nKerth/Alt. Kerth Committee, owners of websites, mbs, archives, whatever do all this hard work, year in, year out, purely for the love of LNC and to help out their fellow fans. They don't get paid. They - mostly - hold down full time jobs, deal with families and a myriad of RL problems, just like the rest of us - and still manage to find time to give us some great entertainment in their free time. It is - a hobby. *Not* a career. They aren't obliged to do it for us. And they save us a lot of time, cash and hassle doing it ourselves! And at the very least, if you think you have a grievance with that, it costs nothing to be calm and polite when mailing fellow FoLCs. No screaming in fury, please! Lecture now over, soapbox now returning to its customary position beneath the bed... > > But then again, someone found the old Kerth ballot from last year, unlinked > to from anywhere as far as we know, and sent in a vote this week. We > considered sending back a nice note telling them they were nine months late, > but should feel free to check their votes against the list of winners. > ROTFL. Now, this certainly sounds like some of the public I've dealt with over the years. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:46:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Why rush eligibility? (was Re: Answers and scores LabRat wrote, in response to Hazel's "Answers and Scores" post, >I have no idea why I asked for it to be eligible last year >instead of letting it ride till 2001. I probably had a good reason at the >time, but what the heck it was... Ah, well....such is life. Out of curiosity, why *do* authors rush to get stories up by the end of the year somewhere instead of just letting a story wait for the next year's awards? I've been wondering this for a couple of years now. I can think of a couple of reasons that might apply -- 1) worry that any year might be the last for the Awards, or 2) in the case of a person up for Best New Author, wanting to generate enough quality fanfic in the first year to improve their shot at the nomination/award. But surely there must be other reasons, because many established authors are eager to release stories, too. I guess it intrigues me because I take the opposite approach in my stories -- I'm more likely to say "even if I had a story ready, I'd hold it out until January -- the competition this year is amazing!" I guess I'd rather my stories be uploaded during a slow time, so more people will read it, rather than in the midst of 6-10 other uploads the same week. Plus there is the perfectionist in me who wants to make sure I get every last typo, which is hard enough when I have plenty of time, let alone am rushing to make deadline. (See my S6 original S6 drafts for proof. ) Also, for me at least, especially if I already have a story in the running for a given year, I'd rather hold off on a nearly completed one to insure that I'll have something eligible next year -- I'm always convinced each story will be my last. So I'm curious -- what are other authors' reasons for rushing, or holding off on, a story in terms of Kerth eligibility? Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:53:57 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: > But then again, someone found the old Kerth ballot from last year, unlinked > to from anywhere as far as we know, and sent in a vote this week. We > considered sending back a nice note telling them they were nine months late, > but should feel free to check their votes against the list of winners. ROFL!! And did he/she vote for many of the winners? Or would it have led to a Florida situation, had the ballot come in on time? Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:52:37 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Qualfication of fics for Kerths In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Combo post here, cutting and pasting: Kathy wrote: >This year so far, everyone has been >polite, but in years past, Erin and and I have been reduced to tears by >emails from so-called-FoLCs who have taken a blow-torch to us for making >mistakes. to which LabRat replied: >>And at the very least, if you think you have a grievance with that, it costs nothing to be calm and polite when mailing fellow FoLCs. No screaming in fury, please! Lecture now over, soapbox now returning to its customary position beneath the bed... >> Thanks, Labbie. I think we'll hire you as our PR person, or at the very least, I'm "complaints" responder. We always appreciate suggestions and comments, especially if they're nice. And if we ever get gripey, please bear with us. Kathy's nearing the end of her pregnancy, which, in the case of my own four pregnancies, has always triggered my "watch out for my crankiness" phase, and about this time of year, with being swamped with Kerth preps, noms, kids, RL, etc., I tend to get a little defensive when someone tells me I'm not doing enough to make everything perfect for everyone. :) Kathy also wrote: >But then again, someone found the old Kerth ballot from last year, unlinked >to from anywhere as far as we know, and sent in a vote this week. We >considered sending back a nice note telling them they were nine months late, >but should feel free to check their votes against the list of winners. LOL! That was the strangest thing. :) I looked at that ballot, opened it curiously, and felt a very odd sense of Deja Vu. Although it was a nice surprise to see they'd voted for a couple of my stories! :) Just a bit late, though, I'm afraid. Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:04:08 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Why rush eligibility? (was Re: Answers and scores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy asked: > So I'm curious -- what are other authors' reasons for rushing, or holding off > on, a story in terms of Kerth eligibility? Well, since I asked for a story to be considered eligible last year, I'll try to answer. With 'The Healing Time', which was a long rewrite of some early S2 eps, I'd been posting it on the boards over a period of a couple of months, finishing in early November 1999. When I sent it to the Archive, I told Kathy (as I frequently do now) to take her time assigning it, since I know GEs don't always welcome lengthy stories, especially if they're busy. In the event, it was edited fairly quickly, but Kathy asked if I'd mind it being held over until January, since January tends to be a slow month for uploads, and I did have some eligible stories anyway. I had no objection either way, so I agreed. And then I got asked by several people why it wasn't on the eligible list, and some of those suggested that I request it to be eligible. And I suppose I got thinking that, if I left it to be eligible for the 2001 Kerths, chances are that the story would be so old by then that no-one would remember it, so if it had a slight chance at nomination for 2000, it would have sunk without trace by 2001. So that's why I requested it to be eligible for 2000. (I've since discovered that FoLCs have longer memories than I thought, having been hugely taken by surprise in relation to 'It Happened One Super Night', so I'm not making any requests this year!). And, yes, Kathy, isn't competition *incredibly* tough this year?! How many nominations am I allowed to have? I can't get my Best Fic favourites down below six! Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:14:03 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Why rush eligibility? (was Re: Answers and scores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: > Out of curiosity, why *do* authors rush to get stories up by the end of the > year somewhere instead of just letting a story wait for the next year's > awards? I've been wondering this for a couple of years now. I'd guess the reasons are as myriad as fanfic, Kathy. In the case of Trick or Treat, I rather suspect that it was suggested to me that it might be a good idea and I agreed at the time. I say that because, generally speaking, timing isn't that important to me - I finish a fic, I send it out for posting to wherever, it gets consigned to my archive files, I get on with the next. End of story, in more than one - so I'm at a loss to explain what my reasoning was last year. Could have been sunspots I guess ;) Or, more likely, temporary insanity. I certainly wouldn't see any point to doing it again. I've previously explained my reasoning for wanting Lonesome uploaded to the Archive for year end this year. Basically because it was the only fic I produced this year and I had an overwhelming desire to see it off my darn hard drive and consigned to the realms of done and dusted before we reached 2001 because by that point I was sick of the sight of it. And with my usual penchant for obssessive cataloging and organisation when it comes to computer files, I couldn't banish it to my archived folder until it had been sent to all its destinations for posting. The sky might fall if I did that. > > I can think of a couple of reasons that might apply -- 1) worry that any year > might be the last for the Awards, or 2) in the case of a person up for Best > New Author, wanting to generate enough quality fanfic in the first year to > improve their shot at the nomination/award. But surely there must be other > reasons, because many established authors are eager to release stories, too. > It being the last Kerths never occurred to me. Look how much faith we have that you and the rest of the committee will be there as surely as the sun rises and sets. > I guess it intrigues me because I take the opposite approach in my stories -- > I'm more likely to say "even if I had a story ready, I'd hold it out until > January -- the competition this year is amazing!" Now this I've heard from other authors and I must admit that it intrigues me as much as your question does you. It's been suggested to me by other authors that I should hold off a story of my own for this reason and I've heard them advise other authors to do the same. Especially new authors. But, I must admit it's a concept that baffles me. Is there any point to withholding fic until next year because competition/quality/number of eligible fic this year is hot? What's to stop it being exactly the same next year? Do you withhold it a further year? By that criteria, it seems to me, you could go on withholding the fic ad infinitum. In fact, given how fortunate we are in this fandom with quality and number of fanfic produced each year, the odds are that it will be the same next year. And the next. You might as well take your chances in the year you write it and leave it at that. Mightn't you? But I know that there are many authors who follow this theory, so there must be some logical reason to it I'm missing so far. In summary, I guess it's horses for courses really. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:40:44 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Kerth Quiz No. 2: The WAFFy Quiz! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, here it is: Quiz Number 2! This one's for the WAFFy category, and I hope you have as much fun with it as you did with Hazel's Comedy quiz. Just a few little rules and cautions before we begin, as before; see below. I'll probably post the answers and results some time around Friday evening, and then Hazel will be back with the next quiz on Sunday or Monday. Good luck! Wendy :) ------------------ RULES: Identify each story and its author accurately to be awarded a correct answer. This is an open-hard-drive and archive quiz, so feel free to check your answers if you wish. These stories, as usual, are identifiable by either a QUOTE or an EXTRACT. Please indicate whether you guessed the answer from the quote or the extract. Two points for a full correct answer from the quote, and one point from the extract. DISCLAIMER: Two 'disclaimers' here. First, just because, in my subjective decision-making process, I have singled these stories out for the WAFFy quiz, that should not be taken in any way to suggest that other stories are not deserving of nomination in this category. Your choice is every bit as good as mine! Second, just because, let's say, Story 1 is included here as a WAFFy story, that does not preclude anyone nominating it in other categories, such as Comedy or Revelation, and the same goes for other stories in this quiz. Multiple nominations of one story ARE permitted! And *don't forget the Spoiler Space!* Quote 1: "Clark, take your glasses off, you can't cheat." Quote 2: Making love in the fading light of the sun on a lazy afternoon...these are the moments we cherish. Quote 3: The world could've crumbled at my feet, and I probably wouldn't have noticed, as long as I could hear you laugh. Quote 4: "I don't really feel brave enough to kiss you without that as an excuse," he murmured softly, his lips curving into a teasing smile. Quote 5: "Really. For me to be used to them would mean that you make them all the time, and we both know that doesn't happen," she returned with a smug smile and the same evil glint mirrored in her own eyes. Quote 6: "I really appreciate all your hard work, Mom, but tights ...?" Quote 7: "Um... this is going to sound silly, but..." She blushed. "...I don't remember anything much after getting home last night... How did we get here?" Quote 8: Geez, give a guy a Kerth and it goes to his head. Quote 9: "Lois, when it comes to you and me, I think we're always ready." Quote 10: "Lois, you are the single most frustrating person I have ever known. Most of the time, I can't decide whether I want to strangle you or kiss you." S P O I L E R S P A C E Extract 1: "It's not one of *your* secret fantasies, is it, Clark?" Lois grinned smugly, wondering if she could embarrass her partner - who looked *so* adorable when he was uncomfortably shifting like he was just now. "Well... I... no!" Clark tried to ignore his sudden interest in the scene he had pictured in his mind: Lois, dancing in front of him - and only him - and slowly and sensually peeling her clothes off, throwing them at him while moving her body temptingly. He mentally slapped himself and ordered his brain to take a cold shower. "See? Told you they were writing stupid stuff. If I did a strip-tease in front of you just now, you wouldn't be turned on at all," she said mock-innocently, watching his every reaction from beneath her lashes. Clark struggled, close to surrender. Make that a *freezing* shower. His breathing began to be shallow and rough. Pearls of sweat appeared on his forehead. Extract 2: Her eyes open slowly, and she smiles. Her smiles are blinding, driving away the knowledge of everything else. The world always fades away in the radiance of her beauty; I find that I crave her approval; it is like a drug to me. If she asked it, I would bring her the sun and the moon, and as I am exceptional, I might actually manage it. She reaches for me, and I slide into the familiar comfort of her arms. I have no way to describe her; she is Venus risen from the sea, her skin as smooth and creamy as though she had bathed each morning in Elysium. Her lips are sweet; while I loved her from the moment we met, the deal was set with that first unforgettable kiss. After that, I was trapped for all eternity. Extract 3: It was never nothing to me. I wanted to share my life with her, whoever she was. Until I could find her to tell her that, this would have to be it. And just when I'd stopped looking, convinced myself she was only a figment of my imagination, the most incredible woman I'd ever seen in my life burst through the door. She was vibrant, and she was fiery, and she was passionate, and she was wonderful, and she was you. You, Lois. Always you. Do you know when I fell in love with you? Well, okay, it was about twenty seconds before Perry said "Lois Lane, Clark Kent." But do you know when I actually admitted to myself that I loved you, would always love you as long as I lived? It was about a week after I met you, and by some great miracle, you'd agreed to have breakfast with me. You were supposed to pick me up at eight, but at 7:43 I gave up staring at the clock, and at 7:44 you were answering the door. You wore one shoe, not a bit of make-up, and these two curlers the size of grapefruits. You looked beautiful. Apparently, you weren't quite so thrilled to see me. One screech and an "I said *eight*, Clark!" later, all I had to admire was wood grain. Extract 4: She took a step backwards, meaning that Clark had to drop her hands. "I don't understand, Clark. Why are you so concerned that I shouldn't be on my own? It's not your problem." He recognised the tactic; she was trying to retreat behind the high wall of her defences again. But he refused to let her. "Because I care, Lois. You're my best friend, and I love you. I'm not going to let you be alone, because you're important to me." He was taking a risk mentioning the L-word, Clark knew; but, on the other hand, it was a word which had been mentioned between them on a couple of highly-charged occasions in the past. She'd told him twice that she loved him as a brother; and even though he had once declared his love for her as a lover and she'd rejected him, he'd managed to pull back from that embarrassing declaration and get her to accept him as her best friend once more. Even though his love for her was so much more than the love of a friend, he felt safe using the word here; he knew how she would interpret it. Her eyes widened, and he thought he could see them shimmer and blur; she swallowed and dropped her gaze from his. "Clark... I don't deserve you," she muttered. "I keep trying to push you away, but you're always there for me when I need you." "And I always will be," he promised softly. Extract 5: "I know," she whispered, "but I just can't shake this feeling that if we go out, it's going to ruin our relationship. And I know I couldn't handle that." She stood, turning so her back faced him. The chess game long forgotten, she took a deep breath, gathering the courage to tell him three words she had never spoken to another soul. "Clark, I need you." Clark looked at her, stunned by the intensity in her expression. He knew how hard that admission must have been for her; he was sure she probably had never admitted to needing anyone, let alone her partner from Nowheresville. Then his mind began to comprehend exactly what she had said to him. She *needed* him! Lois Lane needed Clark Kent! Not Superman, not her job, not even chocolate--she needed him! It took every ounce of super willpower he possessed not to reach for her and smother her with happy, passionate kisses. In time, he thought to himself. That would come in time, he was sure of it. They had taken a big step tonight, whether or not she realized it. He quietly got up from his chair and took three steps to close the distance between them. She still had her back to him, unwilling to face him after her declaration. Very softly, he slipped an arm around her shoulders, turning her, and brought their bodies closer. "I need you too, Lois." He tipped their heads so their foreheads rested together. "And that's exactly why we're going to take this--us--slow. As slow as you need, okay? I promise." Extract 6: He did as she requested, stealing a glance at her face, but her eyes were downcast and he couldn't read anything in her expression. She reached around him, tickling his chin with her hair and sending tiny electric sparks up his spine where her hands brushed against his back as she was positioning the tape measure. She brought the tape around his chest and overlapped the two ends, then studied the number for a long moment. "Is anything wrong?" Clark found the breath to ask. She shook her head several times, making her dark hair fan out around her. Clark watched it, fascinated by how beautiful it was. "No," she answered him, "everything is *just* fine." Then she looked up and he could see the gleam in her eyes that he'd come to know so well over the past couple of days. "I'm just checking these measurements again," she added as she let the tape slide down towards his waist. Clark shivered briefly, a response that seemed to please Lois. "'Measure twice, cut once,' you know," she told him sagely, making him grin. "Are you ticklish, by the wa--" He quickly grabbed at her hands. "Oh, no you don't!" They were both starting to laugh now. "Turnabout is fair play," he warned her, holding up an admonitory finger. Extract 7: She couldn't stop laughing, not even when Clark brushed himself off and walked over to her. She fell against him, lost in an odd mixture of giggles, cackles, gasps for air and good old-fashioned belly laughs, and Clark, chuckling himself, but mostly smiling with delight at her happiness, took the opportunity to wrap his arms around her again. Lois didn't protest -- if she even *could*, just then. She finally regained a little self-control, though she still broke out in an occasional giggle, and became aware of her position up against her... friend's chest. It didn't worry her, though; as often before, she felt safe and secure there, and very, very grateful for that and for everything else that he'd brought to her life. She suddenly needed to tell him this. "Oh, Clark," she sighed happily, "I don't know why you put up with me sometimes, but I'm awfully glad you do." Clark's arms tightened around her. "Lois," he whispered to her, "I *like* putting up with you. You're high maintenance, but worth it." Extract 8: Lois felt heart sink. Another one? Another woman to feel jealous of? 'Oh, put me out of my misery right now.' Lois cleared her throat. "Well," she said, her voice cracking a bit despite her best intentions, "I'm sure she regrets what she gave up also. Any woman would be lucky to have you, Clark." Clark lifted his head and looked at her, his eyes full of longing. "I don't know if she regrets it or not," he whispered, "but I know I'd be lucky to have her." Lois stared into his eyes for a long moment, then almost on instinct, began to move her face slowly towards his. She didn't know who his lost love was, and at that moment, she didn't care. What she did know was that she wanted to kiss him, to comfort him and soothe him, and to make them each forget, if only for a few moments, all of their regrets. Quote 9: The fire in the fireplace had died down to just embers, but Clark didn't notice that. Hanging from the mantle was a huge red stocking. It was like a giant's child had hung it there hoping for it to be filled with Christmas goodies. Instead of treats, the stocking contained Lois. Clark didn't know how long she had been in that stocking waiting for him, but it had been long enough for her to fall asleep. Clark's pulse quickened as he let his x-ray vision penetrate the stocking to see that his wife was bedecked in nothing but some red velvet ribbon and three large, strategically placed red bows. The image of a giant girl child coming down on Christmas morning to find the most perfect, beautiful doll in her stocking came to his mind. His smile got wider as he realized the incredible doll in the stocking hanging there was meant only for him. He approached the fireplace and gently lifted Lois out of the crimson sock. She slowly began to wake as he cradled her in his arms. "Wha - Oh, you're back. I fell asleep." She snuggled deeper into his arms, then turned her face to his. "Surprised?" Clark chuckled. "Yes, Lois, very much surprised." Extract 10: He cut her off. "Have dinner with me tonight." If it was possible, her heart began to beat even faster. "Like a date?" she whispered, remembering the first time he had asked her out. She had thought a long time about her answer, finally agreeing; unfortunately, that date had turned into an 'almost-first date' instead of a real one. The real one hadn't happened yet, and she was beginning to think it never would. However, with one simple statement, he had changed all of that. He grinned, knowing she was thinking about his earlier attempt to ask her out. "Yeah, like a date." His smile made her heart flutter, the way it always did. This time, she didn't even have to think about her answer. "Yes," she agreed softly. -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:04:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jacalyn Sue Newman Subject: Re: looking for a fanfic.... In-Reply-To: <3A5BCC83.8E6A51A7@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I believe the story you're looking for is "Tempered by Fire" by >Notrepooh. It sounds like it, anyway, although what their daughter died >of wasn't a brain tumor. > >Nan That's it! Thanks so much for finding it! I was going nuts! (Well... more nuts than usual, that is.) Jackie -- Jacalyn S. Newman jacalynsue@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:19:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: Lucky Leon music Thank you one and all for your prompt response. A very nice version of La Pathetique has now been downloaded from Napster and resides in the folder with all my other Lois and Clark music! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:51:56 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: Answers and scores for Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/01 11:12:29 AM, labrat@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: << LabRat :) (having a wonderful day searching through the eligibles list and reading lots of great fic she previously missed...) >> Me, too Made the decision this morning to do absolutelly nothing but read -- I have missed so much! Maybe I'll be able to do the next quiz. :) Carol ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:55:46 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Re: 7 Days of Superman is finished!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you for that unsolicited recommendation! I'm just glad that it is finished! I can think about other things and I can finally start reading other FOLC work. James --- Charlotte Fisler wrote: > Bravo, James. > > What a great story this turned out to be. You > pulled together what appeared > at first to be separate stories into one > coherent whole and gave it a > satisfying ending. Handling time travel is > tough enough but alternate > realities is even more difficult, so > > What can I say except great job, wonderful > story. I loved it and I never > watched 7 Days so that is no bar to the > enjoyment of your fanfic. > > Charlotte ===== World's Wisdom (a bumper sticker): He who dies with the most toys wins. God's Wisdom (Luke 12:15b): Be careful and guard against all kinds of greed. Life is not measured by how much one owns. NCV 7 Days of Superman-Finished!http://www.geocities.com/mr_d8a/7dos.htm WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:53:19 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Answers and scores for Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy In-Reply-To: <8d.eb087b.278e094c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >In a message dated 1/10/01 11:12:29 AM, labrat@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > ><< LabRat :) (having a wonderful day searching through the eligibles list and > >reading lots of great fic she previously missed...) >> > >Me, too Made the decision this morning to do absolutelly nothing but >read -- I have missed so much! Maybe I'll be able to do the next quiz. :) > >Carol Okay. What jobs do you two have that you're able to sit and read all day? I'm so jealous! As all busy moms know, you never get a vacation with kids. 5 minutes is a miracle. Hmmm. Maybe if I start to read as fast as Wendy, I can read through a dozen stories a day in those 5-minute increments! :) Happy reading, guys. :) Erin __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:14:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Why rush eligibility? (was Re: Answers and scores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > why *do* authors rush to get stories up by the end of the > year somewhere instead of just letting a story wait for the next year's > awards? I've been wondering this for a couple of years now. Well, I've never squeaked in under the deadline, but I admit that *having* a deadline helps me. I wrote "In Any Universe" last winter, I guess, but when I was done posting it on the mbs, I decided I needed to do some more work on it, due to comments from various people -- some things that were clear to me weren't clear to anyone else :) So I set that aside, and got interested in writing another story (rewrites never interest me as much as a new project) and it wasn't until October or so that it occurred to me that I ought to get off my duff and finish the silly thing :) It's not that I think I have a chance in "best Alt" this year, not against FOD III and Connections, but if I'd delayed it much longer I'd have been too embarrassed to put it on the archive at all I can see the Kerth deadline being an important factor for new authors ... if you've already put out a story or two, you probably want to add to your portfolio; conversely, if this is your first fic, you might want to just not rush so much, put it out in January, and give yourself time to build a portfolio. I wouldn't advise holding stories from April, or anything, but if it's a choice between December and January I can see those sorts of calculations. But then I'm told I'm a calculating sort of girl For more established authors, I guess it might be the fear that people will forget the story in a year's time, especially if it's been posted in segments on the message boards. But Erin does put out that lovely list of eligible stories, so we do get our memories refreshed :) > It being the last Kerths never occurred to me. Look how much faith we have > that you and the rest of the committee will be there as surely as the sun > rises and sets. Or, if we all die, others will rise from the dust to take our places... -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:31:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz No. 2: The WAFFy Quiz! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's see if the kids will let me finish this s p o i l e r s p a c e Q1: Naked Truth, by Kaethel Q2: Gotta be Moments, by Shayne Terry Q3: I don't know... Q4: Home for Christmas, by Wendy Q5: not getting it Q6: lol at the quote but I don't recognize the story :) ack, I'm terrible at these, let's just skip right to the extracts... E3: Okay, I gotta read this one... E4: Good thing I got this from the quote E5: Aha, I know this one, if I can find it... Is That All I Am? by Tracey E6: For a moment I thought I had it, but no... E7: E8: Ooh, I think I know this one! The One Who Got Away, by Kathy :) E9: This one's by Tank, the old softie... Stocking Stuffer E10: again ... haven't a clue Obviously I've got some reading to catch up on! :) -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:41:42 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz No. 2: The WAFFy Quiz! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit S p o i l e r S p a c e > Quote 1: > "Clark, take your glasses off, you can't cheat." Oh! Could that be Naked Truth, by me? > Quote 2: > Making love in the fading light of the sun on a lazy afternoon...these are > the moments we cherish. Oooh, sounds wonderful! But it doesn't ring any bell, right now. > Quote 3: > The world could've crumbled at my feet, and I probably wouldn't have > noticed, as long as I could hear you laugh. To my Love, by Jessi Mounts. > Quote 4: > "I don't really feel brave enough to kiss you without that as an excuse," he > murmured softly, his lips curving into a teasing smile. Um... I'm sure I've read this, but... > Quote 5: > "Really. For me to be used to them would mean that you make them all the > time, and we > both know that doesn't happen," she returned with a smug smile and the same > evil glint mirrored in her own eyes. Hmmm... > Quote 6: > "I really appreciate all your hard work, Mom, but tights ...?" Aaaargh, I know I've read that one, too! > Quote 7: > "Um... this is going to sound silly, but..." She blushed. "...I don't > remember anything much after getting home last night... How did we get > here?" And that one... > Quote 8: > Geez, give a guy a Kerth and it goes to his head. Uh... > Quote 9: > "Lois, when it comes to you and me, I think we're always ready." Um... > Quote 10: > "Lois, you are the single most frustrating person I have ever known. Most of > the time, I can't decide whether I want to strangle you or kiss you." That Shocking First Kiss, by Tracey. Okay, let's see if I can do better with the excerpts... > Extract 2: > Her eyes open slowly, and she smiles. Her smiles are blinding, driving away > the knowledge of everything else. The world always fades away in the > radiance of her beauty; I find that I crave her approval; it is like a drug > to me. If she asked it, I would bring her the sun and the moon, and as I am > exceptional, I might actually manage it. > > She reaches for me, and I slide into the familiar comfort of her arms. > > I have no way to describe her; she is Venus risen from the sea, her skin as > smooth and creamy as though she had bathed each morning in Elysium. Her > lips are sweet; while I loved her from the moment we met, the deal was set > with that first unforgettable kiss. > After that, I was trapped for all eternity. Aha! Now I remember. Moments, by Shayne. And I can't believe I didn't recognise it from the quote! > Extract 4: > She took a step backwards, meaning that Clark had to drop her hands. "I > don't understand, Clark. Why are you so concerned that I shouldn't be on my > own? It's not your problem." > > He recognised the tactic; she was trying to retreat behind the high wall of > her defences again. But he refused to let her. "Because I care, Lois. You're > my best friend, and I love you. I'm not going to let you be alone, because > you're important to me." He was taking a risk mentioning the L-word, Clark > knew; but, on the other hand, it was a word which had been mentioned between > them on a couple of highly-charged occasions in the past. She'd told him > twice that she loved him as a brother; and even though he had once declared > his love for her as a lover and she'd rejected him, he'd managed to pull > back from that embarrassing declaration and get her to accept him as her > best friend once more. Even though his love for her was so much more than > the love of a friend, he felt safe using the word here; he knew how she > would interpret it. > > Her eyes widened, and he thought he could see them shimmer and blur; she > swallowed and dropped her gaze from his. "Clark... I don't deserve you," she > muttered. "I keep trying to push you away, but you're always there for me > when I need you." > > "And I always will be," he promised softly. Aarrgh, I'm *sure* I've read this one, and I'm sure I loved it, but the title and author escape me at the moment. Sigh. > Extract 5: > "I know," she whispered, "but I just can't shake this feeling that if we go > out, it's going to ruin our relationship. And I know I couldn't handle > that." She stood, turning so her back faced him. The chess game long > forgotten, she took a deep breath, gathering the courage to tell him three > words she had never spoken to another soul. "Clark, I need you." > > Clark looked at her, stunned by the intensity in her expression. He knew > how hard that admission must have been for her; he was sure she probably had > never admitted to needing anyone, let alone her partner from Nowheresville. > > Then his mind began to comprehend exactly what she had said to him. She > *needed* him! Lois Lane needed Clark Kent! Not Superman, not her job, not > even chocolate--she needed him! It took every ounce of super willpower he > possessed not to reach for her and smother her with happy, passionate > kisses. > > In time, he thought to himself. That would come in time, he was sure of it. > They had taken a big step tonight, whether or not she realized it. He > quietly got up from his chair and took three steps to close the distance > between them. She still had her back to him, unwilling to face him after > her declaration. Very softly, he slipped an arm around her shoulders, > turning her, and brought their bodies closer. "I need you too, Lois." He > tipped their heads so their foreheads rested together. "And that's exactly > why we're going to take this--us--slow. As slow as you need, okay? I > promise." Is that all I am?, by Tracey. > Extract 6: > He did as she requested, stealing a glance at her face, but her eyes were > downcast and he couldn't read anything in her expression. She reached > around him, tickling his chin with her hair and sending tiny electric sparks > up his spine where her hands brushed against his back as she was positioning > the tape measure. She brought the tape around his chest and overlapped the > two ends, then studied the number for a long moment. > > "Is anything wrong?" Clark found the breath to ask. > > She shook her head several times, making her dark hair fan out around her. > Clark watched it, fascinated by how beautiful it was. > > "No," she answered him, "everything is *just* fine." Then she looked up and > he could see the gleam in her eyes that he'd come to know so well over the > past couple of days. "I'm just checking these measurements again," she > added as she let the tape slide down towards his waist. > > Clark shivered briefly, a response that seemed to please Lois. > > "'Measure twice, cut once,' you know," she told him sagely, making him grin. > "Are you ticklish, by the wa--" > > He quickly grabbed at her hands. "Oh, no you don't!" They were both > starting to laugh now. "Turnabout is fair play," he warned her, holding up > an admonitory finger. I'm pretty sure I've read that, too. > Extract 7: > She couldn't stop laughing, not even when Clark brushed himself off and > walked over to her. She fell against him, lost in an odd mixture of giggles, > cackles, gasps for air and good old-fashioned belly laughs, and Clark, > chuckling himself, but mostly smiling with delight at her happiness, took > the opportunity to wrap his arms around her again. Lois didn't protest -- if > she even *could*, just then. > > She finally regained a little self-control, though she still broke out in an > occasional giggle, and became aware of her position up against her... > friend's chest. It didn't worry her, though; as often before, she felt safe > and secure there, and very, very grateful for that and for everything else > that he'd brought to her life. > > She suddenly needed to tell him this. "Oh, Clark," she sighed happily, "I > don't know why you put up with me sometimes, but I'm awfully glad you do." > > Clark's arms tightened around her. "Lois," he whispered to her, "I *like* > putting up with you. You're high maintenance, but worth it." /me starts pulling the hair off her head in frustration for her awful memory. > Extract 8: > Lois felt heart sink. Another one? Another woman to feel jealous of? 'Oh, > put me out of my misery right now.' Lois cleared her throat. "Well," she > said, her voice cracking a bit despite her best intentions, "I'm sure she > regrets what she gave up also. Any woman would be lucky to have you, > Clark." > > Clark lifted his head and looked at her, his eyes full of longing. "I don't > know if she regrets it or not," he whispered, "but I know I'd be lucky to > have her." > > Lois stared into his eyes for a long moment, then almost on instinct, began > to move her face slowly towards his. She didn't know who his lost love was, > and at that moment, she didn't care. What she did know was that she wanted > to kiss him, to comfort him and soothe him, and to make them each forget, if > only for a few moments, all of their regrets. Aha! The One that got Away, by Kathy Brown. > Quote 9: > The fire in the fireplace had died down to just embers, but Clark didn't > notice that. Hanging from the mantle was a huge red stocking. It was like a > giant's child had hung it there hoping for it to be filled with Christmas > goodies. Instead of treats, the stocking contained Lois. Clark didn't know > how long she had been in that stocking waiting for him, but it had been long > enough for her to fall asleep. > > Clark's pulse quickened as he let his x-ray vision penetrate the stocking to > see that his wife was bedecked in nothing but some red velvet ribbon and > three large, strategically placed red bows. The image of a giant girl child > coming down on Christmas morning to find the most perfect, beautiful doll > in her stocking came to his mind. His smile got wider as he realized the > incredible doll in the stocking hanging there was meant only for him. He > approached the fireplace and gently lifted Lois out of the crimson sock. > She slowly began to wake as he cradled her in his arms. > > "Wha - Oh, you're back. I fell asleep." She snuggled deeper into his arms, > then turned her face to his. "Surprised?" > > Clark chuckled. "Yes, Lois, very much surprised." Nope, that's one I haven't read yet. Curious to know what it is, though. :) Well, for a category that is supposed to be one of my favourites, I think I can be ashamed of myself. Though I'm pretty sure I've read most of these fics. Ah well... Got some re-reading to do! ;) Thanks for the quiz, Wendy :) Helene :) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:45:17 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz No. 2: The WAFFy Quiz! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just looked at Pam's answer and... > > s > p > o > i > l > e > r > s > p > a > c > e > Q4: Home for Christmas, by Wendy How could I *not* guess that one?!? I *beta-read* it, for Pete's sake! Now, looking back at the quote and excerpt, it seems evident, of course . Helene :) (very ashamed of herself) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:11:00 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz No. 2: The WAFFy Quiz! In-Reply-To: <00e301c07b2c$754c8360$916105a0@hrm.keele.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Wendy, either I like WAFFy stories more than I thought, or you really did a good job here. I usually don't get more than one or two in this category! :) >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C >E Quote 1: Helene's "Naked Truth" >Quote 2: Shayne's "Moments" >Quote/Extract 4: Hm. From the quote, it seems like your style writing... >From the extract, I would say I'm right. Whether or not I'm right in >particular about it being JAUA is another question entirely. :) Quote 6: Chris Mulder's MMiKC2: My Mother Made It For Me Extract 8: Kathy Brown's "The One That Got Away" Extract 9: Tank's "Stocking Stuffer" Six out of ten, even if they're not all right... Now you all know why *Wendy* did this quiz instead of me. :) Hazel, who likes to participate even when it's hopeless ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:03:51 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey FoLCs :) In the past week or so, I've encountered something disturbing which has = begun to concern me deeply and which I thought was worthy of being = brought to the attention of the list. Lately, in email conversation, I have had at least four authors tell me = that they have either decided to give up writing entirely or have = thought of giving up writing recently because their stories have = generated poor or even nil fdk when they are posted to the Archive.=20 I am not talking about new authors here. These are established, = extremely talented authors. If I told you their names you would be = appalled at the thought that we might lose them so easily. Yet, they = have been left feeling insecure about their talent and convinced that = they cannot write and/or that their stories are not liked. In tandem with this, I've heard more than a few authors say that they = don't post their fic to the list any more because they receive such = little fdk here too. It is true that, in the main, the list and the Archive seem to be out of = fashion these days when it comes to receiving fdk for a story. I know of = very few authors who receive fdk from these sources. The best place to = receive it appears to be the mbs at the moment. Although, I am sure = that's a very general overview and that there are exceptions to that = theory. Whatever the reasons, such is the way things are. But I thought I'd post this to the list, in the hope that it might make = us think more about how important fdk is to authors and how devastating = lack of it can be. I'm not excepting myself from this reminder either. = Although I'm usually quite good at sending out fdk, I do tend to let it = slip if I don't do it the instant I read the fic. Just today I sent fdk = to two authors who I had intended to contact over a week ago, but = somehow never got there. It was only seeing their names on the eligibles = list that jogged my memory. Anyway...perhaps we could, all of us, think twice about sending out a = response when we read a fic that we've enjoyed and resolve to do so more = regularly than perhaps we do now. Even to authors who we might assume = are confident about their talents and know that their stories are = pounced on as soon as they are posted. Incredible as it seems, they = might not be so sure of that as we are on their behalf. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:25:29 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Fw: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fwding for Adam. Can you double check the To box please, guys, if replying to this thread? There's still that pesky little glitch that keeps addressing it to me instead. Thanks! :) LabRat :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Adam Labotka To: LabRat Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof > Yeah I know I'm bad about feedback from the archives but I do plan on trying > to do better about it in the future. As a new author (I have a story in > progress on zoom's boards) I know how lack of feedback (I havent been > getting that much) can make an author feel. I know many people say to me on > IRC they're reading but didn't post comments, well that's not really a good > thing. I've learned author's live for feedback so please yes please give > feedback when you read a story as Lab has said. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LabRat" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:03 PM > Subject: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof > > > Hey FoLCs :) > > In the past week or so, I've encountered something disturbing which has > begun to concern me deeply and which I thought was worthy of being brought > to the attention of the list. > > Lately, in email conversation, I have had at least four authors tell me that > they have either decided to give up writing entirely or have thought of > giving up writing recently because their stories have generated poor or even > nil fdk when they are posted to the Archive. > > I am not talking about new authors here. These are established, extremely > talented authors. If I told you their names you would be appalled at the > thought that we might lose them so easily. Yet, they have been left feeling > insecure about their talent and convinced that they cannot write and/or that > their stories are not liked. > > In tandem with this, I've heard more than a few authors say that they don't > post their fic to the list any more because they receive such little fdk > here too. > > It is true that, in the main, the list and the Archive seem to be out of > fashion these days when it comes to receiving fdk for a story. I know of > very few authors who receive fdk from these sources. The best place to > receive it appears to be the mbs at the moment. Although, I am sure that's a > very general overview and that there are exceptions to that theory. Whatever > the reasons, such is the way things are. > > But I thought I'd post this to the list, in the hope that it might make us > think more about how important fdk is to authors and how devastating lack of > it can be. I'm not excepting myself from this reminder either. Although I'm > usually quite good at sending out fdk, I do tend to let it slip if I don't > do it the instant I read the fic. Just today I sent fdk to two authors who I > had intended to contact over a week ago, but somehow never got there. It was > only seeing their names on the eligibles list that jogged my memory. > > Anyway...perhaps we could, all of us, think twice about sending out a > response when we read a fic that we've enjoyed and resolve to do so more > regularly than perhaps we do now. Even to authors who we might assume are > confident about their talents and know that their stories are pounced on as > soon as they are posted. Incredible as it seems, they might not be so sure > of that as we are on their behalf. > > LabRat :) > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:25:58 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Fw: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fwding for Kate :) LabRat ----- Original Message -----=20 From: KCrane1865@aol.com=20 To: labrat@blueyonder.co.uk=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:22 PM Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof Thanks for the reminder, Lab, I will try to do better.=20 I am ashamed of myself for my ingratitude!=20 Kate=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:29:52 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Adam Labotka Subject: Re: Fw: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry Lab I forgot reply to all and to remove you my bad ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:31:14 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: [Fwd: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This one went back to Labby, but it was meant for this list. Nan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:30:24 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <004d01c07b51$370f7060$897f1f3e@land> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LabRat wrote: >I am not talking about new authors here. These are established, >extremely talented authors. If I told you their names you would be >appalled at the thought that we might lose them so easily. Yet, they >have been left feeling insecure about their talent and convinced >that they cannot write and/or that their stories are not liked. No! Lab, I'm appalled to hear that! I hope you told those authors that they shouldn't give up! How terribly sad. I don't read many fics just due to lack of time, but those ones that I do, I try to find lots to compliment on, and make sure the author knows I appreciate the work they put into the story. But that may not be helpful, since, like I said, I really haven't read that many fics this past year to send fdk on. And Labby, with this knock over the head , you've really hit on something close to my heart. I *do* know how these authors might feel, since there have been stories that I have personally written that have generated very little feedback, and when that's happened, I immediately think, "Oh, no! What did I do? Was my story really that bad?" Lack of feedback is enough to give me a near panic attack. I admit to being insecure about my own work. I really am. I have two all-but-finished fanfics sitting on my harddrive, but I don't feel confident enough about them to post them anywhere. I've had a couple of flop stories, and those haunt me. I just barely finished a third one, and it took me over a year to get up the nerve to finish editing it and iron out some spots that I didn't like. I finally got up the nerve to copy and paste it into an email, then covered my eyes in apprehension as I hit the 'send' button, sending it off to the Archive. It should go up the end of January, so please be kind. I know it's not one of my best, but I still kinda like it. So anyway, I'm not doing the Lois-babble for nothing. I do have a point. :) Writing is a scary thing, something in which I (and so many others) put my heart and soul into, and it's hard to put your heart out on the line like that, with no idea if anyone is even going to appreciate the effort. :( So I agree with you, Lab. Feedback is an all-important thing. If a writer doesn't get feedback, I could see why he/she might say, "Why bother?" as those four have. >Anyway...perhaps we could, all of us, think twice about sending out >a response when we read a fic that we've enjoyed and resolve to do >so more regularly than perhaps we do now. Even to authors who we >might assume are confident about their talents and know that their >stories are pounced on as soon as they are posted. Incredible as it >seems, they might not be so sure of that as we are on their behalf. Agreed. Sometimes all it takes is a short 5-minute email telling an author WHAT it was that you liked about the story. You'd be surprised how a simple "I like the way you portrayed Lois and Clark...you're characterizations were dead on" that would make an author's day. I would love to see more ppl sending feedback, even as simple as that. Anyway, enough rambling. :) Erin __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:48:14 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Fw: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fwding for Nan. :) LabRat :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Smith To: LabRat Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof > The first try went to Labby, and the second one messed up because I forgot about a forward being an attachment. Here's the third try. > > _____________ > > I hope those writers will reconsider. Lack of feedback from the Archive and the e-list is something I've gotten resigned to, although I get an occasional piece of feedback from them. We can't afford to lose any of our authors, big time or small. > > I haven't given much feedback to anyone recently, I'm afraid. The Christmas and New Year's season was pretty much all I could handle. Unfortunately, I learned over the holidays that my brother is possibly seriously ill, depending on how early they caught his problem, and between that and a few other things, I haven't given some of the very good authors, whose stories I've been reading lately in preparation for the Kerths, the feedback they deserve--something I'll try to remedy in the future. > > Anyway, in conclusion, I hope those authors you mention--and I have no idea who they are--will write some more, and I'll try to clean up my own act regarding feedback, as well. > > Nan > > LabRat wrote: > > > Hey FoLCs :) > > > > In the past week or so, I've encountered something disturbing which has begun to concern me deeply and which I thought was worthy of being brought to the attention of the list. > > > > Lately, in email conversation, I have had at least four authors tell me that they have either decided to give up writing entirely or have thought of giving up writing recently because their stories have generated poor or even nil fdk when they are posted to the Archive. > > > > I am not talking about new authors here. These are established, extremely talented authors. If I told you their names you would be appalled at the thought that we might lose them so easily. Yet, they have been left feeling insecure about their talent and convinced that they cannot write and/or that their stories are not liked. > > > > In tandem with this, I've heard more than a few authors say that they don't post their fic to the list any more because they receive such little fdk here too. > > > > It is true that, in the main, the list and the Archive seem to be out of fashion these days when it comes to receiving fdk for a story. I know of very few authors who receive fdk from these sources. The best place to receive it appears to be the mbs at the moment. Although, I am sure that's a very general overview and that there are exceptions to that theory. Whatever the reasons, such is the way things are. > > > > But I thought I'd post this to the list, in the hope that it might make us think more about how important fdk is to authors and how devastating lack of it can be. I'm not excepting myself from this reminder either. Although I'm usually quite good at sending out fdk, I do tend to let it slip if I don't do it the instant I read the fic. Just today I sent fdk to two authors who I had intended to contact over a week ago, but somehow never got there. It was only seeing their names on the eligibles list that jogged my memory. > > > > Anyway...perhaps we could, all of us, think twice about sending out a response when we read a fic that we've enjoyed and resolve to do so more regularly than perhaps we do now. Even to authors who we might assume are confident about their talents and know that their stories are pounced on as soon as they are posted. Incredible as it seems, they might not be so sure of that as we are on their behalf. > > > > LabRat :) > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:47:23 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Feedback on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The first try went to Labby, and the second one messed up because I forgot about a forward being an attachment. Here's the third try. _____________ I hope those writers will reconsider. Lack of feedback from the Archive and the e-list is something I've gotten resigned to, although I get an occasional piece of feedback from them. We can't afford to lose any of our authors, big time or small. I haven't given much feedback to anyone recently, I'm afraid. The Christmas and New Year's season was pretty much all I could handle. Unfortunately, I learned over the holidays that my brother is possibly seriously ill, depending on how early they caught his problem, and between that and a few other things, I haven't given some of the very good authors, whose stories I've been reading lately in preparation for the Kerths, the feedback they deserve--something I'll try to remedy in the future. Anyway, in conclusion, I hope those authors you mention--and I have no idea who they are--will write some more, and I'll try to clean up my own act regarding feedback, as well. Nan LabRat wrote: > Hey FoLCs :) > > In the past week or so, I've encountered something disturbing which has begun to concern me deeply and which I thought was worthy of being brought to the attention of the list. > > Lately, in email conversation, I have had at least four authors tell me that they have either decided to give up writing entirely or have thought of giving up writing recently because their stories have generated poor or even nil fdk when they are posted to the Archive. > > I am not talking about new authors here. These are established, extremely talented authors. If I told you their names you would be appalled at the thought that we might lose them so easily. Yet, they have been left feeling insecure about their talent and convinced that they cannot write and/or that their stories are not liked. > > In tandem with this, I've heard more than a few authors say that they don't post their fic to the list any more because they receive such little fdk here too. > > It is true that, in the main, the list and the Archive seem to be out of fashion these days when it comes to receiving fdk for a story. I know of very few authors who receive fdk from these sources. The best place to receive it appears to be the mbs at the moment. Although, I am sure that's a very general overview and that there are exceptions to that theory. Whatever the reasons, such is the way things are. > > But I thought I'd post this to the list, in the hope that it might make us think more about how important fdk is to authors and how devastating lack of it can be. I'm not excepting myself from this reminder either. Although I'm usually quite good at sending out fdk, I do tend to let it slip if I don't do it the instant I read the fic. Just today I sent fdk to two authors who I had intended to contact over a week ago, but somehow never got there. It was only seeing their names on the eligibles list that jogged my memory. > > Anyway...perhaps we could, all of us, think twice about sending out a response when we read a fic that we've enjoyed and resolve to do so more regularly than perhaps we do now. Even to authors who we might assume are confident about their talents and know that their stories are pounced on as soon as they are posted. Incredible as it seems, they might not be so sure of that as we are on their behalf. > > LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:50:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof LabRat's very right in what she says. I, too, have had conversations with a number of writers - including people considered by FoLCdom to be favourites, including Kerth nominees! - who have noted a lack of feedback for their work and have wondered whether they should continue writing or not. And I don't consider any of these writers to have said this in a mood of self-pity, or because they were looking for overwhelming positive reinforcement. They all meant it. For some reason - and I know I've raised this before - feedback on this list seems to have slowed down considerably. A couple of years ago, any time a story was posted here we'd see a flurry of responses. Now, if we see one or two, that's unusual. I know there's a tendency now to post stories in instalments over a longer period, as we do on the message boards, and perhaps list readers prefer to have a story posted all at once. But it doesn't seem to make much difference, from what I've noticed. The last time I posted one of my stories here in instalments, I did get some comments as time went by, and I very much appreciated them. But, when a story is posted with little or no response, I know that I personally begin to wonder whether I'm just spamming people's mailboxes with stuff they don't want. I'm sure I can't be the only writer to think that... The pattern of feedback from the Archive has also changed, for me, though I'd simply assumed that it was a consquence of posting my stories to the message boards. Feedback *is* good on the boards, and I would never expect someone who comments there to email me as well after the story appears on the archive. But it seems, from some of the things I've heard, that people who *don't* post to the boards also get little Archive feedback. I know I could be just as guilty of not sending feedback, or commenting on the list, but Rat's email did make me think. I'd hate to think that some writers whose work I personally think is among the best around might be considering giving up. :( Wendy ------------ Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:09:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <004d01c07b51$370f7060$897f1f3e@land> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi LabRat: I started to reply to this fifteen minutes ago but my computer froze and I lost five paragraphs of response:( I was trying to say, so much better the first time around, that it would be truly tragic to lose authors for the reasons you mention and that I have noticed the lack of feedback but that I am thrilled to get any myself. I was trying to say that I find it hard to use the mbs time-wise, that I get my gfics from the archive and check Zoom's and Anne's sites for the nfics but cannot look at all the mbs since I had to fire my assistant (doing three jobs instead of one). I was trying to say, much more eloquently than this, that I posted a story to the list only once to be shot down in flames, and that the only reason I did not disappear off the lists completely then was due to private feedback. I wrote about how I have sent feedback but that sometimes I have received no acknowledgement. I mentioned that I have a lot of work related reading so only get shorter stories read and that I have a pile of stories for which I meant to send feedback but that I don't always have a lunch hour to attend to e-mail and only have about an hour after work to spend on any of this. The only part I can spend more time is the writing, which I do at home but ecxhaustion and RL have stalled other things (like reviews).:( I originally wrote that feedback totally makes my day so I can understand that a lack of it is worse than being passed over for prize nominations. Anyway, before my hard drive freezes up again, I think it would be grand to encourage writers and will endeavor to do more so myself. Carolyn >Hey FoLCs :) > >In the past week or so, I've encountered something disturbing which >has begun to concern me deeply and which I thought was worthy of >being brought to the attention of the list. > >Lately, in email conversation, I have had at least four authors tell >me that they have either decided to give up writing entirely or have >thought of giving up writing recently because their stories have >generated poor or even nil fdk when they are posted to the Archive. > >I am not talking about new authors here. These are established, >extremely talented authors. If I told you their names you would be >appalled at the thought that we might lose them so easily. Yet, they >have been left feeling insecure about their talent and convinced >that they cannot write and/or that their stories are not liked. > >In tandem with this, I've heard more than a few authors say that >they don't post their fic to the list any more because they receive >such little fdk here too. > >It is true that, in the main, the list and the Archive seem to be >out of fashion these days when it comes to receiving fdk for a >story. I know of very few authors who receive fdk from these >sources. The best place to receive it appears to be the mbs at the >moment. Although, I am sure that's a very general overview and that >there are exceptions to that theory. Whatever the reasons, such is >the way things are. > >But I thought I'd post this to the list, in the hope that it might >make us think more about how important fdk is to authors and how >devastating lack of it can be. I'm not excepting myself from this >reminder either. Although I'm usually quite good at sending out fdk, >I do tend to let it slip if I don't do it the instant I read the >fic. Just today I sent fdk to two authors who I had intended to >contact over a week ago, but somehow never got there. It was only >seeing their names on the eligibles list that jogged my memory. > >Anyway...perhaps we could, all of us, think twice about sending out >a response when we read a fic that we've enjoyed and resolve to do >so more regularly than perhaps we do now. Even to authors who we >might assume are confident about their talents and know that their >stories are pounced on as soon as they are posted. Incredible as it >seems, they might not be so sure of that as we are on their behalf. > >LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:24:47 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wanda McCants Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/01 5:51:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > know I could be just as guilty of not sending feedback, or commenting on > the list, but Rat's email did make me think. I'd hate to think that some > writers whose work I personally think is among the best around might be > considering giving up. :( I'm also guilty of not sending feedback, but I want to say right now that Lab's comments have given me food for thought. I have read so many stories, and taken my enjoyment with thought for the writers needs. In my defense I try to write the authors in private, but RL during the holidays kept me busy. I sincerely hope that each of us (readers) take the time to let our writers know how much we appreciate their stories. Wanda "What happens to a dream deferred? / Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun?" ......Langston Hughes Wanda ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:25:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dede Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't usually comment here on the list, but I was really sorry to hear these writers were thinking of giving up. Personally I send feedback on all the stories I read. Generally speaking I read them on the MB and post my feedback there. However, I have been very far behind and have not been able to comment as several stories concluded. When that happens I will always email the author privately after I have finished the story with my feedback. I would also like to comment on something Wendy said: Quote: Feedback *is* good on the boards, and I would never expect > someone who comments there to email me as well after the story appears on > the archive. I can assure you that when I re-read a story on the archive that I had already commented on when it was on the MB, I would still send a quick note. Nothing wrong with telling someone you liked their story as much (or better) the second time as the first time. However, with the amount of new fic out there I have not had time to re-read any off the archive. My list is still there and one day I will do so and you will hear from me! Dede ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Richards" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof > LabRat's very right in what she says. I, too, have had conversations with a > number of writers - including people considered by FoLCdom to be > favourites, including Kerth nominees! - who have noted a lack of feedback > for their work and have wondered whether they should continue writing or > not. And I don't consider any of these writers to have said this in a mood > of self-pity, or because they were looking for overwhelming positive > reinforcement. They all meant it. > > For some reason - and I know I've raised this before - feedback on this > list seems to have slowed down considerably. A couple of years ago, any > time a story was posted here we'd see a flurry of responses. Now, if we see > one or two, that's unusual. I know there's a tendency now to post stories > in instalments over a longer period, as we do on the message boards, and > perhaps list readers prefer to have a story posted all at once. But it > doesn't seem to make much difference, from what I've noticed. > > The last time I posted one of my stories here in instalments, I did get > some comments as time went by, and I very much appreciated them. But, when > a story is posted with little or no response, I know that I personally > begin to wonder whether I'm just spamming people's mailboxes with stuff > they don't want. I'm sure I can't be the only writer to think that... > > The pattern of feedback from the Archive has also changed, for me, though > I'd simply assumed that it was a consquence of posting my stories to the > message boards. Feedback *is* good on the boards, and I would never expect > someone who comments there to email me as well after the story appears on > the archive. But it seems, from some of the things I've heard, that people > who *don't* post to the boards also get little Archive feedback. > > I know I could be just as guilty of not sending feedback, or commenting on > the list, but Rat's email did make me think. I'd hate to think that some > writers whose work I personally think is among the best around might be > considering giving up. :( > > > Wendy > ------------ > Wendy Richards > wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:35:07 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wanda wrote: . In my defense I > try to write the authors in private, but RL during the holidays kept me busy. Wanda, that was what was on my mind when I posted. Private fdk in particular, public fdk in general. Sorry I didn't make that clear. Fdk in any form of course, would be welcome, but I got the impression from the authors I've spoken with that it was particularly the fact that they didn't receive a single email or only one or two email of private fdk on their stories that bothered them the most. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:31:13 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is very disturbing to hear, Labrat. I'm very sorry that there are writers out there who have thought of no longer writing fanfic for us to enjoy. I, too, will try to do better with my feedback. I do agree, however, that I rarely write an email after I've already given lots of feedback on the message boards. Thanks for raising this point. Hopefully, people will try harder to be courteous with their feedback. Irene ===== www.originalequestrianmusic.bigstep.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:49:15 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <5e.5a934ce.278e493f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I try always to give feedback, as some of you know well. But the fact is that I am far behind in my reading - like, two years or something. It's so bad that I haven't read any of the fic in the current Kerth quizzes, in case any of you wonder why I'm not trying to answer any of those. It's so bad, in fact, that I'll probably do like I did for the last Kerth and the last two NKerths - I'll not nominate anything, just wait until the nominations come out, then read furiously as many of the nominees as I can until the deadline, and only vote for the ones that I've read in the time allotted. It's actually so bad that I've left several stories of my own invention either in the planning stages or half-written, so that I can read a little bit here and there. Let's just say that I'm giving feedback to authors for stories written in 1994 and 1995, that's how far behind I am. So you writers, please don't give up on me. You'll hear from me, even if it takes six years :) Melisma (crawling back under the piles of fic strewn about under her Rock) Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:08:13 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's just say that I'm giving feedback to > authors for stories written in 1994 and 1995, that's how far behind I am. > So you writers, please don't give up on me. You'll hear from me, even if it > takes six years :) > Grief, Mel. Suddenly my own bulging folders filled with unread fanfic don't seem quite so bad! LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 00:52:32 -0000 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Question for a fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys! Your topic tonight is law enforcement and the military . Can anyone = tell me if the police, as opposed to the military police, would be = likely to get involved in any kind of criminal investigation work inside = the military forces? Say, for example, that an army officer was = suspected of murdering another army officer - who would investigate = that? And if the answer is the military police, can you give me a = plausible example where the police *would* get involved with a criminal = investigation inside the army etc? Thanks in advance, Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:11:53 -0000 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz No. 2: The WAFFy Quiz! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, I reckon I got one whole quote right! Author *and* title. Wow! S P O I L E R S P A C E > Quote 2: > Making love in the fading light of the sun on a lazy afternoon...these are > the moments we cherish. > >From the quote, this is Shayne's Moments. > Quote 6: > "I really appreciate all your hard work, Mom, but tights ...?" > >From the quote, this might be Chris Mulder's short sequel to MMIKC, but I could easily be wrong... > Extract 5: > "I know," she whispered, "but I just can't shake this feeling that if we go > out, it's going to ruin our relationship. And I know I couldn't handle > that." She stood, turning so her back faced him. The chess game long > forgotten, she took a deep breath, gathering the courage to tell him three > words she had never spoken to another soul. "Clark, I need you." > > Clark looked at her, stunned by the intensity in her expression. He knew > how hard that admission must have been for her; he was sure she probably had > never admitted to needing anyone, let alone her partner from Nowheresville. > > Then his mind began to comprehend exactly what she had said to him. She > *needed* him! Lois Lane needed Clark Kent! Not Superman, not her job, not > even chocolate--she needed him! It took every ounce of super willpower he > possessed not to reach for her and smother her with happy, passionate > kisses. > > In time, he thought to himself. That would come in time, he was sure of it. > They had taken a big step tonight, whether or not she realized it. He > quietly got up from his chair and took three steps to close the distance > between them. She still had her back to him, unwilling to face him after > her declaration. Very softly, he slipped an arm around her shoulders, > turning her, and brought their bodies closer. "I need you too, Lois." He > tipped their heads so their foreheads rested together. "And that's exactly > why we're going to take this--us--slow. As slow as you need, okay? I > promise." > Oh, I know this one, but I don't know the author or the title! Is it by TraceyLyn? It's the brilliant chess game continuation. > Extract 7: > She couldn't stop laughing, not even when Clark brushed himself off and > walked over to her. She fell against him, lost in an odd mixture of giggles, > cackles, gasps for air and good old-fashioned belly laughs, and Clark, > chuckling himself, but mostly smiling with delight at her happiness, took > the opportunity to wrap his arms around her again. Lois didn't protest -- if > she even *could*, just then. > > She finally regained a little self-control, though she still broke out in an > occasional giggle, and became aware of her position up against her... > friend's chest. It didn't worry her, though; as often before, she felt safe > and secure there, and very, very grateful for that and for everything else > that he'd brought to her life. > > She suddenly needed to tell him this. "Oh, Clark," she sighed happily, "I > don't know why you put up with me sometimes, but I'm awfully glad you do." > > Clark's arms tightened around her. "Lois," he whispered to her, "I *like* > putting up with you. You're high maintenance, but worth it." > This isn't JAUA, is it, Wendy? That last sentence sounds awfully familiar. Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:37:29 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof Comments: To: LabRat In-Reply-To: <009901c07b62$96f628a0$897f1f3e@land> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, Labby! Let's just say that a couple months ago one of our listmates gifted me with a whole lot of fic from way back then, which I really do appreciate. Really, sweetie, I do :) But I was only a year behind until then... I guess I'm just gonna have to win the lottery, retire from RL, and devote all my time to reading fic. As if that would be a hardship - *NOT*. Honestly, Rat - no grief :D Melisma (under her Rock, proud that she remembered to add the listserv address to the To line so that LabRat doesn't have to forward this to the list :) At 12:08 AM 11/01/2001 -0000, you wrote: >Let's just say that I'm giving feedback to >> authors for stories written in 1994 and 1995, that's how far behind I am. >> So you writers, please don't give up on me. You'll hear from me, even if >it >> takes six years :) >> > > >Grief, Mel. Suddenly my own bulging folders filled with unread fanfic don't >seem quite so bad! > >LabRat :) > > Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:59:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: Question for a fic If one military officer killed another, but he did it on civilian property, I would think that the civilian police would probably get involved too. Did anyone else see the movie "The General's Daughter?" There were some militaty/civilian issues in that case but I can't remember the specifics. Marilyn AKA Supermom ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:21:46 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Why rush eligibility? (was Re: Answers and scores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << So I'm curious -- what are other authors' reasons for rushing, or holding off on, a story in terms of Kerth eligibility? >> In my case, this year I wanted to make sure I got Metanoia (Martha Chronicles 3) in the archive by the eligibility deadline. My main reasoning for making sure it would be eligible this year rather than next is because it qualifies The Martha Chronicles as a series, since for a set of stories to be considered a series, it is my understanding that at least 2 must be released in the same year. Martha Chronicles 1 was released in 1999 and Martha 2 in 2000. So those two together didn't constitute a series. And, since I'm not sure whether or not I'm going to write a Martha 4, I decided that I might as well send off Martha 3 in 2000, allowing what I consider to be a series to be considered as one by Kerth standards. That, and I was tired of seeing the story sitting on my hard drive Christy attalanta@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:40:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Why rush eligibility? (was Re: Answers and scores On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:14:03 -0000, LabRat wrote: >Is there any point to >withholding fic until next year because competition/quality/number of >eligible fic this year is hot? What's to stop it being exactly the same next >year? Do you withhold it a further year? By that criteria, it seems to me, >you could go on withholding the fic ad infinitum. In fact, given how >fortunate we are in this fandom with quality and number of fanfic produced >each year, the odds are that it will be the same next year. And the next. >You might as well take your chances in the year you write it and leave it at >that. Mightn't you? Agreed, though you are assuming someone would hold their story for a full year -- I was just talking about submitting in January or February, once the story is really edited and done, rather than rushing it through by December 31 even if it kills you. True, the following year might be just as competitive. But it's kind of the reverse of the "one in the hand is worth two in the bush" saying. You *know* 2000 is super-competitive, but in January (or even June), you really have no way of knowing what 2001 will be like. There might be a ton of stories in your category, or there might not. So an author might decide that they would be no worse off by waiting until January -- and they might in fact have a better shot at recognition. Again, I'm not saying that someone should hold off posting all their stories until they see what the field looks like by November or December (talk about being ruthlessly competitive in something that's supposed to be fun!). But if the choice is between rushing a story so it gets done by December 31 * just* so it can be eligible for the Kerths (and this is the reason most authors have given me, btw, that they are rushing just to make the story Kerth eligible for this year), and taking an extra few weeks and having the story be eligible next year ... I just don't understand the need to rush. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:48:59 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << In tandem with this, I've heard more than a few authors say that they don't post their fic to the list any more because they receive such little fdk here too. >> I have to admit that, while I'm not one of the author LabRat is talking about, in considering where to post the story I am currently working on, I hadn't really considered this list. The last time I began posting a story here, I stopped in the middle since I had received no feedback (though I did finish posting the story after 1 or 2 emails asking what had happened to it). Like Wendy, I began to wonder if I was just cluttering up people's mailboxes. I understand about busyness and I can only imagine how busy someone with several children must be, if I, as a student, am this busy. However, that didn't stop me from feeling hurt when my fic didn't get any feedback. Like others, I don't write a lot of feedback myself, but that's mostly because I don't read as much fic as I used to. I do try to write feedback when I enjoy a story, whether it be on the MBs or privately. I've found that the easiest way for me to force myself to write fdk is to comment in writing as I read a story. Usually I read the story in Word and type my comments in another color text. I then cut and paste my comments in an email to the author. For some reason, this has prompted me to send more fdk than I used to. As for feedback for a story after it's been posted to the Archive, I had pretty much given up on that... Mostly I submit a story to the Archive because it seems like an official record that it is finished, more official than simply posting the final installment on the MBs, for example. I also have to confess that I often assume that the "big" authors are confidant in their abilities and aren't as reliant on feedback as the rest of us mere mortals I know I sometimes read others' stories and marvel at how well-written, well-plotted, or just plain clever they are, but I usually assume that they know how good they are. I know that's not an accurate assumption, but I admit the thought does run through my mind. Christy attalanta@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:58:39 -0600 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lab, Please encourage these authors to continue to write. I read and don't write. And I want to thank all of you wonderful authors for your stories and the many hours of enjoyment they have given me. When I first found Lois and Clark stories 2 years ago- I did not comment because I was already behind - and sometimes the email addresses had changed. I do remember doing a thank you similar to this though. Since then I read just about everything posted on the message boards, Anne's place, the archives and here. I comment on all the new stories I read, but I don't always comment, as Wendy brought up, on the archive stories once I have commented on them elsewhere. I try to comment on all the stories I read. Please authors continue to write. We as readers will try to do better about posting feedback. merry ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:16:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Becky Bain Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <004d01c07b51$370f7060$897f1f3e@land> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Okay, Rat, you shamed me into it. I've gathered up all the printouts (who knew the stack would be =this= high? Yikes!) of all the stories I've enjoyed in recent months and had ever so good intentions of sending feedback on... and I'm gonna get started. And as incentive - I'm not going to let myself read any of the =other= big stack of printouts - the unread stories - until I've done. I know how much I appreciate it when someone takes time to say they've enjoyed (or been confused by, or whatever) something I've written, and I'm sort of appalled at myself that I've gotten this far behind! Becky rbain@uswest.net There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. - Edith Wharton ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:54:10 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: jem Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof Comments: To: erink@ida.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I usually lurk since I (like a lot of people) don't have a lot of time and I prefer to spend it reading fic. However, what Labrat has told us has moved me to respond. I myself am also guilty of not sending feedback; mainly because I can't think of anything to say besides 'great story, keep writing' which makes me feel like an idiot :) One thing I do know is that human nature tends toward the negative in many respects. By this I mean that a lot of people are more likely to voice a complaint than a compliment. What I'm trying to say to these authors is that you should be more confident when you don't get feedback for if someone *doesn't* like what you have written they'll tell you. The corollary to this is that for every piece of negative feedback you do receive there are 10 readers who have a smile on their faces. I've read a lot of fic from a lot of different series. L&C authors are far and away the best and most talented writers I have encountered. The idea that any of them is thinking of not writing anymore is truly appalling. I really hope they do continue to write (if only to preserve my mental health; I *need* my fic fix :) Um, that's all I wanted to say. jem (hoping) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 11:02:18 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jem wrote: > One thing I do know is that human nature tends toward the negative in many > respects. By this I mean that a lot of people are more likely to voice a > complaint than a compliment. > > What I'm trying to say to these authors is that you should be more confident > when you don't get feedback for if someone *doesn't* like what you have > written they'll tell you. I agree with the general sentiment that people are more likely to complain than compliment. But I'm not convinced that applies to fanfiction. Sure, if I have a bad experience in dealing with a particular organisation, I'm likely to write and complain, whereas I don't write to say thanks for good and efficient service. But when it's more personal - commenting on the fics we've read, when we know those comments are going direct to the individual, who may well reply - I don't think people do tend to send negative feedback. If we don't enjoy a fic, we're far more likely to say nothing; and it's this which leads people who've received little feedback to assume that their work is not liked. I've had that said to me time and again by writers: I got no feedback, or only one or two emails of feedback - that must mean everyone else didn't like it, and I'm a terrible writer and should give up. I'm not saying there's anything at all wrong with constructive criticism here, by the way. It can be enormously helpful to say to someone, tactfully, "I enjoyed your characterisation of Clark very much. But I really wasn't convinced that Lois would have been so nervous - if you remember, she continally got into trouble in the show" - just as an example. That kind of thing can help someone develop their writing. That kind of constructive criticism has helped me very much. No-one can respond to every fic they've read, and none of us who've posted on this thread expect it. But I think this was a timely wake-up call for many of us, so thanks for raising the subject, LabRat. (And, Erin, if you have completed fics on your hard drive, *why aren't you posting them?!*) Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk > The corollary to this is that for every piece of negative feedback you do > receive there are 10 readers who have a smile on their faces. > > I've read a lot of fic from a lot of different series. L&C authors are far > and away the best and most talented writers I have encountered. The idea > that any of them is thinking of not writing anymore is truly appalling. I > really hope they do continue to write (if only to preserve my mental health; > I *need* my fic fix :) > > Um, that's all I wanted to say. > > jem > (hoping) > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:57:43 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tank Wilson Subject: Re: Feedback on the List and Archive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think what we have happening is that we are becoming a victim of our own success. If one looks back at the number of folks who are writing L&C fanfic now as opposed to a couple years ago, I think we'll see quite an increase. Also, it seems that those who write now, write more stories than those in the past did. Granted, not everyone (or anyone) is as prolific as Wendy, but many of the newer writers start a new story as soon as they finish their current one. Is this a bad thing? Heck no, but it does make it a bit tougher to keep up. When my job situation changed it affected how much time I could dedicate to playing on the various Lois and Clark sights, so something had to give. I choose to cut back significantly on my writing and spend the time reading, but I still can't keep up with everything that is being produced. Choices had to be made. I generally do most of my reading on the MBs and comment there. I haven't visited the archive in a couple of months, and I rarely comment on topics here. LIke some others, I consider the Archives the final repository, or a library, if you will, of L&C fanfics. Since I generally post my stories on the MB, I don't really expect and feedback once the story hits the archive. It's a shame that someone who wants to write would decide to not write because she/he didn't get any feedback, but there is no easy answer. Time, nowdays, is a very valuable commodity and sometimes we don't find (or make) the time to do some of the things we know we should. BTW: Even, "I really liked your story. It was an enjoyable read" is feedback and appreciated by a writer because it tells them that someone read their story. Tank ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:13:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: John Debbage <106532.433@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Feedback on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi All, Like many other writers I too have resigned myself to the fact my stories= when posted to the Archive recieve little or no feedback. Thankfully, having posted both my eligible stories this year to this list, I do know from the comments I recieved that readers did enjoy the stories. And I w= as even more pleased and surprised by the number of lovely compliments I received when I met Folcs in person at the Laff. Recently, however, I have noticed that this list has often been starved o= f comments about posted stories or that most authors have given up posting here and have gone over to the boards. But for some writers the mbs are not suitable -- I know that I don't always have the time to keep up with them -- and it would be very sad if this list lost one of its original purposes -- the discussion of Lois and Clark fanfic. I would also like to say to the authors concerned in LabRat's email that not receiving fdk is not always a yardstick of how good a story is or indeed a measure of how many people are reading it. Some readers don't have the time or don't know quite what to say when sending fdk. Though I= enjoy even a very short message saying 'liked your story'. I do understand how hard it is to post a story and then have to sit and wonder whether you've lost your way as a writer. I do exactly the same thing myself -- I can be a mass of insecurities regarding my writing abilities. Normally after reading a story which I like I try to send fdk, but unfortunately my real life has bebcome so hectic that I don't always have= the time. I suppose that being in this situation, I now realise how it i= s so easy to have good intentions and yet not always be able to follow them= through. I'm going to try to do better in the future.:) = Also, spending sometime on IRC , I also meet many authors of stories and = I like to tell them personally how much I'm enjoying their writing. Perhap= s this is another factor in the equation that makes emailed fdk redundant -= - just a thought. I do hope that these established writers don't give up on us, but I can s= ee how they might feel that way -- I've considered giving up myself when, having received no fdk, I've been particularly unsure of my ability to te= ll an interesting story. Thankfully I have a great set of friends and beta-readers who keep me from obsessing. The new writers are all very talented but I'd hate to lose some of our familiar and best-loved authors= . Yours Jenni Debbage = ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:37:52 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Feedback on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/11/2001 7:14:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, 106532.433@COMPUSERVE.COM writes: << I can be a mass of insecurities regarding my writing abilities. >> So, Jenni, when can we expect the next in your Kent family series???? --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:53:16 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all :) LabRat, thank you a lot for the reminder. I admit I'm very very guilty of this, and I feel really ashamed that, craving feedback as I am, I can't seem to make the time to send at least little fdk emails to authors whose fics I'm enjoying so much. Sure, lately I haven't had a lot of time to actually *read* much; I started on my backlog of fics only a couple of days ago. Boy, I made a list of fics I have to read urgently before the Kerths nominations, and ended up completely depressed at the everlasting list in question. Sigh. But I, too, have heard from a couple of authors that the lack of feedback after they had their stories uploaded to the archive was making them having doubts about their abilities as writers. Lots of us are very insecure about our writing, and the slightest fdk email can make our day. Jem, believe me, even a simple 'loved it, write more' makes the day of a writer, believe me! It means that you cared enough for the story to tellthe author about it, and we all know that RL takes a lot of time and we don't always have time to write long feedback emails, but even a short one can brighten the day of an author, and get him/her started again on writing. :) I used to send long feedback emails, because I liked to write long comments, pasting excerpts I particularly enjoyed and commenting on them, but lately, RL and such have been preventing me from doing that. But I understand that even when I don't have time to do that, I could at least send shorter mail just to let the author know I've read and enjoyed his/her story, and I plan to try and do so from now on. >>>In tandem with this, I've heard more than a few authors say that they don't post their fic to the list any more because they receive such little fdk here too.<<< It's one of the reasons I didn't post my latest story to the list, actually. Yes, it seems the list does generate very little or no feedback at all, and when you post something and get no response at all, it doesn't help the lack of self confidence. Most of us now post their stories to the boards and not the list, and I recently mentioned in an email to a friend of mine how sad I think this is, though I'm very guilty of this too, since I rarely send feedback on the list. But maybe this discussion (and LabRat, I can't thank you enough for starting it :)) will make us all think again about the importance of feedback. But I remember a discussion we had a couple of months ago, about the list and its purpose, or what purpose we wanted to give it. The thing is, do you think that writers can post their stories in instalments on the list the same way they do on the boards? The problem is that we can't *edit* the story on the list like we can do on the boards, but it couldn't prevent us from taking the suggestions into consideration in our own story file, could it? And do some of the people on the list prefer to read and comment in email (on the list) rather than on the boards? Helene :) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:38:25 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone who responded to this thread. It's a little heartening to read that so many of you understand the importance of fdk to authors. Although also a little more worrying to read that so many other authors have been harbouring similiar feelings to those I've been speaking with lately. As a small encouragement, I spoke to one of my four authors last night, who has changed her mind about not writing any more, thanks in part to the responses to this thread, which had made her rethink the situation. When I left her last night, she was dashing off, full of enthusiasm, to write a new story. And I expect to see that one soon, you hear? I seem to have engendered some amount of guilt however. Which, in retrospect, was probably inevitable, but which wasn't my intention. A lot of you have come up with reasons why you haven't sent fdk - too busy with work, behind in your reading, even family crisis - all of which are very human, very natural and shouldn't be a source of guilt at all. It's called life. It happens. No, what I was trying to 'target' (for want of a better word) were those moments we all have when we could send fdk but don't, for reasons that seem logical to us but may not be from an author's pov. Some of you have already mentioned examples of them here. An example. I remember an author somewhat worriedly asking for fdk on her latest story on this list and the flurry of responses which followed being in the vein of: 'I didn't send fdk, I thought you knew we love your fic. You're a huge author! You've won Kerths! How could you not know?' Quite obviously she didn't know. She was left wondering why no one had mailed her and coming to the conclusion that she had done something wrong with the story and no one had liked it and were too polite to say. This is a common misconception that most of us fall prey to. Popular authors don't need fdk. They know we pounce on their fic as soon as it appears. But they can be insecure, just like anyone else. Or, how about those times when we really do *mean* to send fdk but decide we won't bother because we don't really have anything witty or insightful to say and we're sure that the author has tons of great fdk already, all much more interesting than anything we could write? So we close down the email and forget it. I have to admit that I'm extremely guilty of this one over on the mbs. I open the comments folder fully intending to say how great the story I just read was. But then there are all these other comments, saying just what I wanted to. And I close down the folder and forget it. Someone has already mentioned that even a 'Hi. I just read your story. It was great, I loved it. Thanks for sharing.' is better than no fdk at all. It doesn't have to be Shakespeare. It doesn't have to be brimming with insight on characters or plot. Most authors would be truly delighted, just to know someone read their story and liked it. And I'm certainly going to be doing more of that in future if I feel everyone else has leapt in before me on the complex stuff. If I feel intimidated about doing it on the mbs, then I'll send an email. Christy's idea of anotating fic as you read is a good one. That's often another reason I fail. I had lots of things to comment on when I read - but once I've opened up that email, I forget all of them in an instant. And Christy has also reminded me of another of my failings. Not mailing an author to tell them I enjoyed their work - because I read it while GEing it for the Archive. I guess I was so wrapped up in editing that I forgot about being a reader too. Very illogical. Sigh... That's one I'll be working on in future. Christy, as some, small consolation, I do have the Martha Chronicles marked down in my nominations list. And, as a small postscript to my earlier post - something which only occurred to me afterwards - if established authors are feeling this way, what on earth must little or no fdk be doing to those new, fledgling authors just setting out? I'd hate to think that we've lost any of those to discouragement. Anyway, I've rambled on enough. Thank you for caring. I'm sure that those authors who have been feeling depressed over the lack of fdk and who are on this list are encouraged by your posts. :) LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:52:00 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Why rush eligibility? (was Re: Answers and scores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: > Agreed, though you are assuming someone would hold their story for a full > year -- I was just talking about submitting in January or February, once the > story is really edited and done, rather than rushing it through by December > 31 even if it kills you. I wasn't assuming that. If you hold over a fic to January, it would be eligible for the following year. Right? So, you'd be banking on, say, 2002 being a year with less competition than 2001, since the fic wouldn't be Archive eligible until 2002. Whether you held it over for the full year, till the following December, or held it over till Jan or Feb - it would have the same effect. Wouldn't it? Or is this my infamous allergy to counting coming into play here? The Kerths run from Jan - Jan. Don't they? Or do they? Watch LabRat become increasingly confused. These are numbers! Geez, I hate dealing with numbers! True, the following year might be just as > competitive. But it's kind of the reverse of the "one in the hand is worth > two in the bush" saying. You *know* 2000 is super-competitive, but in > January (or even June), you really have no way of knowing what 2001 will be > like. There might be a ton of stories in your category, or there might not. > So an author might decide that they would be no worse off by waiting until > January -- and they might in fact have a better shot at recognition. Aha! That was my point. In general terms. Yes, you have no way of knowing what 2002 will be like. But the odds are it will be just as competitive as 2001. And even if they weren't, you'd still be flying blind. So, is there anything to gain in holding over a fic, banking on 2002 being less competitive? However, I hadn't taken specific *categories* into account. Yes, that's very true. There might well be more space and less competition in a particular category in any one year over another. That's borne out by how the categories fade and resurrect themselves year by year. Thank you. That makes a little more sense to me now. It's not something I would consider doing, personally, but, yes, I can see why an author might consider that. Eureka! > > Again, I'm not saying that someone should hold off posting all their stories > until they see what the field looks like by November or December (talk about > being ruthlessly competitive in something that's supposed to be fun!). But > if the choice is between rushing a story so it gets done by December 31 * > just* so it can be eligible for the Kerths (and this is the reason most > authors have given me, btw, that they are rushing just to make the story > Kerth eligible for this year), and taking an extra few weeks and having the > story be eligible next year ... I just don't understand the need to rush. > I guess a year can seem a very long time in fandom. Although at the rate they seem to be rushing past these days (we're back at the Kerths already?!!?!?), that one seems to be a fallacy. :) I think Wendy made a very good point, which I'd never considered previously. I would guess that a lot of authors are concerned that if they post their fic in January 2001, by the time the 2002 Kerths roll around the fic on voters minds will be the most recent. The ones they read in November or December or January 2002. And the ones from the beginning of the year will be well and truly faded from the mind. I'm not sure that that's true. But I could see why an author would think it was true. LabRat :) > Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:42:41 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz No. 2: The WAFFy Quiz! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh dear, considering how bad I am at those Quizzes, I really shouldn't do this, but oh well... S P O I L E R S P A C E >From the Quotes: > Quote 3: > The world could've crumbled at my feet, and I probably wouldn't have > noticed, as long as I could hear you laugh. Oh, I think I know that one. It's "To my love". I have it in my Kerth 2001 WAFF Folder as long as it was posted. Such a wonderful story! I don't know the author though, I'm afraid. > Quote 4: > "I don't really feel brave enough to kiss you without that as an excuse," he > murmured softly, his lips curving into a teasing smile. I think that's "A love well worth waiting for" from Tracy... (I can't remember names! It's horrible!) But I know that it is one of those stories where I should have a bad conscious because I really need to find the time to give feedback. I loved it! > Quote 8: > Geez, give a guy a Kerth and it goes to his head. my, this sounds familiar! > Quote 10: > "Lois, you are the single most frustrating person I have ever known. Most of > the time, I can't decide whether I want to strangle you or kiss you." and this one, too! > Extract 1: Okay, I'll give it a shot. I think it's "Naked truth" by Kaethel. I'm not sure, but I definitely read this one and thought it was very funny. > Extract 2: That's a vignette I read not long ago and I thought it was very beautifully written. I think it's from Shayne, but I don't remember the title > Extract 5: This is really nice and I'm pretty sure I read it. But I can't remember neither title nor author. I know, I suck :-( > Extract 6: yes, yes, yes!! That's "Meet me in Kansas City" Part 2 from Chris Mulder! > Extract 8: But of course! That's "The one that got away" from Kathy Brown. Loved it! I like it that Kathy always gives Clark a background and one I can absolutely see. > Extract 10: darn, I can't remember. It's not even long ago that I read this story, I'm sure of it! But oh well... Nicole -- AKA CKgroupie on IRC/AIM NKWolke@t-online.de Are you always searching for news about Dean Cain? And you don't have enough time to search? Here's your solution: Go to "The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:41:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Labby. Thanks (as others have said) for bringing up this thread. As someone who loves to give [quite lengthy] feedback on the MB's, I wanted to respond to this, even though I haven't been over there or to the Archive in at least a week - work has been an absolute zoo and I've had no free time. I think that some of the reasons that I don't give feedback to stories I read on the archive as frequently are as follows: 1) sometimes there is no valid e-mail address listed for the author 2) I have written private feedback many times to authors who never respond, which makes ME feel that I'm filling THEIR mailboxes with things they don't have the time or the interest to read. I'm the kind of person who likes receiving acknowledgement to my feedback; better yet is feedback to my feedback (right, Wendy?)!!! 3) Even though I have loudly whined that I love being able to read an entire story rather than being tortured by having to wait DAYS (am I being melodramatic enough?) for a new installment, it's much easier to give specific feedback on small portions at a time. When reading a completed story, especially a long one (which I love), it's harder to scroll back to reference specific points, and therefore, much more likely for things to be forgotten or left out during the feedback. Not that I want to make more work for our wonderful archive mavens (Kathy, don't hit me), but is it possible to have a link at the end of a story to the author's e-mail address so that it would be easier to give more immediate feedback? Just a thought. We have so many fabulous authors, and more are writing all the time (yes, I KNOW that some of you are nagging me to try one....someday. :)), that I hate to think that we'd lose any of them due to our seeming indifference. I appreciate every story and every author, and I'm glad we have this opportunity to reinforce this. Please don't stop writing, everyone. You ARE appreciated and read and enjoyed. I LOVE it when fanfic shows up in my inbox, even if I've already read it on the MB's. I just read it again!! Vicki (who must go back to the mountains of work on her desk. Sigh.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:34:53 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vicki wrote: > 1) sometimes there is no valid e-mail address listed for the author > > Not that I want to make more work for our wonderful archive mavens (Kathy, > don't hit me), but is it possible to have a link at the end of a story to > the author's e-mail address so that it would be easier to give more > immediate feedback? Just a thought. There already is such a link. It's included in the header at the top of each story, right after the author's name. Of course, the onus is on the author to inform Kathy if they change their eddress. Um...now, did I do that when I changed mine? *Think* I did. But...might just drop Kathy another email. And with the workload she has, time has to be given to Kathy to get around to changing it. But, on the whole, the eddresses should be up to date. I don't think I've come across any story listed on the eligibles list for the Kerths that doesn't have an eddress attached. Not that I've noticed anyway, and those come directly from the entire submissions for last year. Some of the older stories on the Archive, of course, may be a little more dodgy, with the authors long since gone from FoLCdom. And if the eddress isn't valid and fdk is bounced, well that's the author's fault. But, please, don't let that dissuade you from sending fdk to another author in the future. With regard to your point about not receiving a reply to your fdk from certain authors - I agree that there is very little excuse for this. Basic common manners, if nothing else, would surely dictate that if someone takes the time and trouble to mail you to say that they enjoyed reading your story, then you can take time and trouble yourself to thank them for it. It only takes a few seconds after all. I've experienced this only twice myself - both with authors who I later discovered had drifted from FoLCdom and were obviously no longer interested in hearing about their LNC stories. Why they didn't disable the email link on their LNC websites in that case, I have no idea. Which would have seemed to me to be sensible. But I believe that these authors are very much in the minority, so, please do continue to mail others, Vicki. Be assured that the majority do appreciate hearing from you. LabRat :) > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:53:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Krazman Subject: Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to thank Labrat for bringing this to my attention. I am guilty as charged on this count. My self-imposed sentence is to strive to give feedback to all the authors when I read any of their stories, whether it be on the archive, or the message boards. I wish to give my most sincerest apologies to any author who felt like quitting because I didn't give them feedback. It was a mistake on my part, and I will strive to not do so again. - Chris ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:07:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have written private feedback many times to authors who never respond, > which makes ME feel that I'm filling THEIR mailboxes with things they don't > have the time or the interest to read. Thank you, Vicki, for mentioning that ... you reminded me of a wonderful feedback note I received before Christmas (on archived stories, no less; I've more or less given up on getting feedback that way so I considered this a wonderful surprise). At the time I read it, I didn't have time to respond in any detail -- I should have written back a short note to say "got your letter, thanks, will write more later" but I didn't, just flagged the e-mail for a later reply. Well, you guessed it, the insanity of the holidays was upon me, new messages filled my e-mail box, and I never did get around to replying ... until you mentioned this :) So now I've written back, and I feel much better about myself Because you're absolutely right -- detailed feedback is such a wonderful gift to an author that the author is obligated to respond. Of course, any feedback should be replied to (promptly), just out of sheer politeness. :) Now, I'm off to reply to more e-mail... shame it's so much easier to read than it is to send ;) -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:07:27 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: Feedback or lach thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folcs, thanks to Labby for bringing up that specific point. I actually try to give as much feedback as possible and I think I give much mroe feedback than I did a few years ago, since I know how disheartening it can be to not getting any feedback when you post a story. My problem is: I think we have so many stories now that it is almost impossible to read them all. At least for me, and I think I'm really a fast reader! So at the MBs I tend to stick to authors I know and try to never read more than 2-4 stories at once. And if I really read 4 stories at once, I'm just seldom able to give feedback, even if it just requires a few words. It doesn't matter that much though, if the author posts in installements. That way I can give feedback every second or third installement, let the writer know I'm still there, enjoying the story and waiting for more. I think that's encouraging for the writer and easy for me, so that's the kind of feedback I give most often. Writers who post installements therefor have a big advantage against authors who just post their story as a whole to the archive or even to the MBs. Those just have one chance to get some feedback. On the archive I have to skip all stories by now that don't sound interesting to me. Two years ago, I at least would have started reading them and decide then (and I often detected very interesting stories among them!), but by now it's just not possible anymore. So every author who writes about New Krypton, the happy kiddie-family stuff, stories that sound like too much a-plot, crossovers, earlier year stories and generally every story that have less than 40k doesn't get a chance with me any longer. I'm sorry about that myself, but I just can't read all stories anymore and have to chose somehow :-( When I give feedback to a writer on the archive it usually takes much longer than it takes on the list or at the MB. It's just that I read the story, think it's great and decide to write the author, but the point when I actually *do* it isn't so clear. I know though that I'm going to send feedback to Jeff and Tracy for their latest stories, because I loved them and I really want to write feedback. It's just more effort. On the MB it's easy. You just read online (at least I do), you log in and write a few words: done. Personally the same goes for the list for me. I think it's easy and I think I would give feedback as much here as I'd give on the MB. There's no difference. It's just that the stories that have been posted here, were posted to the MB, too and I don't give feedback twice, so I didn't respond here. The same that I said about the MBs goes for the list, too, though. You have more chances for feedback if you post in installements. take care Nicole -- AKA CKgroupie on IRC/AIM NKWolke@t-online.de Are you always searching for news about Dean Cain? And you don't have enough time to search? Here's your solution: Go to "The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:27:40 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Kerth eligibility, FDK on list and archive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm a great believer in saving bandwith instead of multiple e-mails. :) Kathy wrote: For a few stories (Debby's "My Journal", for example, and the two "Swap Meet" stories), I had flagged them in the spreadsheet when they were uploaded, just because I remembered them from the Kerth list. But the others weren't labeled, and we had to scramble this year to try to recreate the list. This actually surprised me, Kathy, because someone -- and it wasn't me! -- had added an extra line to the submission subheading of "The Mirror Crack'd." It was uploaded in January 2000, which "technically" meant it would be available for this year's Kerths. But the heading read: Submitted January 2000 (First Posted in December 1999; eligibile for 2000 Kerth Awards) Makes it kinda obvious, doesn't it? :) Since the archive has now set down some rather firm guidelines towards headings, Kathy, perhaps a similar line should be added, BY THE AUTHOR, to any fic that appears on the archive during a year in which it doesn't qualify for the Kerths. If an author cares enough to want his or her fic to qualify for one calendar year's Kerths, then they ought to be concerned enough to make sure there are no mistakes further down the line. Which segues into the next bit. Kathy also asked: Out of curiosity, why *do* authors rush to get stories up by the end of the year somewhere instead of just letting a story wait for the next year's awards? I've been wondering this for a couple of years now. Well, since I have, in a way, done this two years in a row, I really ought to answer. :) 1999 was my first year as an LnC author. I didn't start writing with the Kerths in mind, because Star Wars crossovers rarely qualify for awards. :) In fact, my first forays into fanfiction avoided Lois and Clark entirely, because I was afraid to write about and interpret characters that I only knew through fanfic. Once I started writing "Mirror," though, I wanted to get it *done*. My personal deadline was December 31, 1999 -- not so much because of the Kerths, but because I didn't want it to drag on forever. :) Then, once I was in a position where it *could* qualify, I found it very hard to casually say, "Well, I might as well leave it for next year." That first big story is a heady feeling. I never dreamed of having it nominated, although I did harbor very fond delusions of being nominated for New Author! When "Mirror" did end up nominated, it was the most amazing feeling in the world -- a much more giddy feeling than the New Author category, which, after all, had a naturally smaller selection pool. :) As for this year... Well, sometime in March I considered two fics that I wanted to write over the course of the calendar year 2000. Nine months ought to be enough time, wouldn't you say? Well, it wasn't, because in October I was *still* struggling to finish CPOV! So I set myself a deadline again: Finish the silly thing so that it would be uploaded to the archive in the year 2000. Eligibility for the Kerths, in this case, was completely secondary. Pam also suggested: For more established authors, I guess it might be the fear that people will forget the story in a year's time To me, though, it wasn't a matter of being forgotten as much as wanting to have at least one decent fic uploaded over the course of the year. I derive so much pleasure from the archive. My own submissions are, in a way, a method of paying back. I'd hate to be so badly in debt. So to sum up my long winded answer : While our long-suffering editors/organziers might see only the Kerth side of things with its subsequent headaches, the authors might also have some splendidly irrational reasons of their own for wanting their stories archived in a particular calendar year. And finally, Labrat brought up the problem of lack of FDK (my other contribution to the calendar year 2000 ): It is true that, in the main, the list and the Archive seem to be out of fashion these days when it comes to receiving fdk for a story. I know of very few authors who receive fdk from these sources. This has been so true of late that I didn't even consider posting CPOV here. This is a real pity, because my first-ever "real" fic was posted to this list, recieving considerable feedback and helpful suggestions. I doubt I would have ever progressed beyond that 16K story if the response hadn't been so heartwarming! No, Rat, I'll never assume an author no longer needs feedback. OTOH, RL can push things further and further to the back of our minds until they're buried under the clutter. The only suggestion I can make is to Kathy and her merry band of archivists: If, in the future, the quesiton of HTML vs. text comes up again, perhaps we could include a hotlink to the author's e-mail addy at the END of the fic, so that the reader could simply click on the link while the story is fresh in his or her mind. Many of us are lazy by nature. Making things a little easier might tip things in the right direction. And as a final note, I am reminded of Pam's comment that her request for multiple-choice feedback on her President Kent story generated more e-mails than any other story... :) Hazel _______ "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:42:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: Kerth eligibility, FDK on list and archive MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As Hazel said: The only suggestion I can make is to Kathy and her merry band of archivists: If, in the future, the question of HTML vs. text comes up again, perhaps we could include a hotlink to the author's e-mail addy at the END of the fic, so that the reader could simply click on the link while the story is fresh in his or her mind. Many of us are lazy by nature. Making things a little easier might tip things in the right direction. That's what I meant when I said there should be a LINK, not just a listing of the author's e-mail address at the beginning of the story. An actual link to click on to the author at the END of the story would be much more conducive to feedback, I think. :) V ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:44:00 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Kerth eligibility, FDK on list and archive In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010111183320.00ab2340@actcom.co.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hazel wrote: >And as a final note, I am reminded of Pam's comment that her request for >multiple-choice feedback on her President Kent story generated more e-mails >than any other story... :) Multiple choice? Hmmm, I must've missed that one. Do enlighten us, Pam. :) Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:10:32 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/01 8:38:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, labrat@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes: > And, as a small postscript to my earlier post - something which only > occurred to me afterwards - if established authors are feeling this way, > what on earth must little or no fdk be doing to those new, fledgling authors > just setting out? I'd hate to think that we've lost any of those to > discouragement. > > I guess I would consider myself a fledgling author since I wrote my first and second fics this past summer and fall. I got a lot of positive feedback when I posted them to the message boards, got a few emails ( less than 5 I'd say offhand ) when they appeared on the archive, and when I started to post one of them to this list got absolutely no feedback whatsoever. That gave me the impression that people on this list had either read the story on the message board and had already given what feedback they wanted to give, or weren't reading it at all. So I quit posting it in midstream. I had no desire to fill up people's mailboxes with something they didn't want to read. The fic in question wasn't finished when I started posting; I thought maybe there were people who read fics here but not on the mbs. But I was left with the impression that no one wanted to read it here. As an author, I really don't expect to get detailed feedback. I know that people are busy and while I love the detailed comments that some people give (mostly because it tells me what I'm doing or not doing right), a simple "read your fic. It was interesting" is plenty. I must admit, I usually only send feedback via the first place I encounter a fic. So if I read your story on the mbs, that's where I gave my feedback. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:10:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Kerth eligibility, FDK on list and archive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erin Klingler wrote: > > Hazel wrote: > >And as a final note, I am reminded of Pam's comment that her request for > >multiple-choice feedback on her President Kent story generated more e-mails > >than any other story... :) > > Multiple choice? Hmmm, I must've missed that one. Do enlighten us, Pam. :) > Well, it was in 1996 :) But at the end of the fic, I created a form, of sorts... *** I still have ideas for sequels in this vein, but I need to know - does anyone really want to read more? Please see the suggested responses below, and check the one that applies.... (A) ___ This is very fun, I *definitely* want to see this idea explored further. (B) ___ They're not terrible, and they're short. I can always delete 'em, so sure, write more if you want to. (C) ___ Well, the original was funny, but you know how sequels are - please don't embarrass yourself further, okay? (D) ___ I hated this idea from the start; stop now before I hunt you down and force you to. Thank you for your participation *** And I got *lots* of e-mail from people who basically said "I pick ___" (or just quoted the answer they preferred) -- I think they liked not having to put much thought in it :) (The reply that sticks out most is the woman who said that she thought the original President Kent was kinda stupid, actually, but the sequels had grown on her ) So it's a thought... :) I think I eventually took the quiz off the archive/website versions, because I kept getting mail long after my interest in another sequel had faded... :) -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:18:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: Kerth eligibility, FDK on list and archive MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Darn, because I was going to vote for another sequel!! ;-) V -----Original Message----- From: Pam Jernigan [mailto:jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:10 PM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: Kerth eligibility, FDK on list and archive Erin Klingler wrote: > > Hazel wrote: > >And as a final note, I am reminded of Pam's comment that her request for > >multiple-choice feedback on her President Kent story generated more e-mails > >than any other story... :) > > Multiple choice? Hmmm, I must've missed that one. Do enlighten us, Pam. :) > Well, it was in 1996 :) But at the end of the fic, I created a form, of sorts... *** I still have ideas for sequels in this vein, but I need to know - does anyone really want to read more? Please see the suggested responses below, and check the one that applies.... (A) ___ This is very fun, I *definitely* want to see this idea explored further. (B) ___ They're not terrible, and they're short. I can always delete 'em, so sure, write more if you want to. (C) ___ Well, the original was funny, but you know how sequels are - please don't embarrass yourself further, okay? (D) ___ I hated this idea from the start; stop now before I hunt you down and force you to. Thank you for your participation *** And I got *lots* of e-mail from people who basically said "I pick ___" (or just quoted the answer they preferred) -- I think they liked not having to put much thought in it :) (The reply that sticks out most is the woman who said that she thought the original President Kent was kinda stupid, actually, but the sequels had grown on her ) So it's a thought... :) I think I eventually took the quiz off the archive/website versions, because I kept getting mail long after my interest in another sequel had faded... :) -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:18:58 -0000 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: Question for a fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many, many thanks to everyone who replied to my question. I received a lot of very well-informed replies, and you've all given me the answer I was looking for, which is great. Means I don't have to rewrite the section I wrote last night :) Oh, and it seems that despite having a whizzy new computer, I still have the problem whereby replies come to my personal mailbox instead of back to the list. So watch that return address when you're replying to me on the list. Not that I minded getting these answers at home, of course! Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:10:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Terry S. Horowit" Subject: Re: Kerth eligibility, FDK on list and archive In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Darn, because I was going to vote for another sequel!! ;-) > >V Me, too! Terry ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:34:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Subject: MBs? [Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm popping out for just a moment here to ask a question. I've been reading the flurry of replies to LabRat's post about fdk, and I know it's spurred me on to write more. When I first started to read fics and make friends around here, the first thing I heard was that fdk was less than overwhelming most of the time. I don't write for the fdk, but there are two of my stories that got very little circulation due to the fact that I figured no one would read them anyway (so why rush to put them anywhere :) However, I did write another one recently (and finally corrected an old one), and, I was wondering, would it be *useful* for me to post to the MBs to get some sort of idea of how to work with the story or not? I seem to recall the response there is more than adequate most of the time, but I must admit that, at times, the volume of the MBs to wade through take far too much of my time than I have to give! I find myself putting off my schoolwork to read (bad idea :). However, I'll try it if that's where more people are reading these days since I'd like the poor little story to get *some* exposure before being relegated to my hardrive to collect viruses! So, any suggestions would be helpful :) Thanks, Rachel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:29:18 +1100 Reply-To: Patricia Walpole Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Patricia Walpole Subject: Re: Feedback on the List and the Archive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the reminder LabRat. I have just returned from being away for nearly three weeks. It is = amazing what you miss in that time. I think it is sad that some authors are considering retirement. Being = fairly new here I am not writing but love to read and am guilty of not = responding to every author. RL can place a great demand on one's time. The funny thing is, not being very confident, I have just realised that = one reason I =20 have not written anything yet is the concern about the reponse or lack = of. =20 I want every author to know that the standard of stories is extremely = high and that all your hard work is appreciated. Reading fanfic is a great way to = relax. >From now on I will be making an effort to give feedback on the stories I = read even if it is only a couple of lines. Tricia. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:31:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shayne T Subject: Re: Why rush eligibility? (was Re: Answers and scores One reason that some individuals might rush to meet the december deadline is simple impatience. In return for pushing to finish their story a week or two early, they get Kerth feedback within a month or two in the form of nominations and maybe even in the form of winning. If they wait, they have to wait more than a year. After a year, many may not remember their own stories, much les be excited about them. The situation for the nkerths is even worse...you could easily have to wait 18 months for nominations. Very few of us has any concrete idea of where we will be in 18 months. We assume that things will remain the same, or get better, but we cannot KNOW. Beyond all considerations of what the competition will be like is the simple urge to know sooner how well a story is regarded as opposed to later. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:25:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Melena Subject: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In trying to coordinate a few events, I'm running into timing problems. The first of which is; what's the time difference between Smallville and Metropolis? Also, Clark's considerate enough to wait for his mother to wake up, I'm sure, so approximately what time would a farmer and his wife go to bed and get up? Finally, can any residents of Metropolis tell me when it makes sense for there to be a big accident on the freeway causing lots of death and destruction? I mean, is there enough traffic for this in the middle of the night? Oh, I lied, there's one more; would there be any restrictions on what vehicles are allowed on the freeway? Like big semis or dump trucks, I mean. We don't have any real freeways up in the 'Peg. :) Wow! You know, the scene isn't that long! Just imagine how often I'll be pestering you guys if I actually get down to some serious writing. Thanks in advance, -Lena _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 01:20:12 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Adam Labotka Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok I can answer a few of thse. I would assume that Metropilis is EST and Kansas is CST I believe which would make it an hour earlier in Kansas. My grandparents (who own a farm) tend to get up around 6-7 am normally. It is possible for a trafic accident late at night, maybe a semi has trouble and cars don't see and keep slaming into it or the like, far as I know most vehicles are allowed on the freeway ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Melena" To: Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:25 AM Subject: Timing > In trying to coordinate a few events, I'm running into > timing problems. The first of which is; what's the > time difference between Smallville and Metropolis? > Also, Clark's considerate enough to wait for his > mother to wake up, I'm sure, so approximately what > time would a farmer and his wife go to bed and get up? > Finally, can any residents of Metropolis tell me > when it makes sense for there to be a big accident on > the freeway causing lots of death and destruction? I > mean, is there enough traffic for this in the middle > of the night? Oh, I lied, there's one more; would > there be any restrictions on what vehicles are allowed > on the freeway? Like big semis or dump trucks, I > mean. We don't have any real freeways up in the 'Peg. > :) > > Wow! You know, the scene isn't that long! Just > imagine how often I'll be pestering you guys if I > actually get down to some serious writing. > > Thanks in advance, > -Lena > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:01:43 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lena, these examples are from the 401 which runs north of Toronto, and is not as scary as some others, like the M1(?) around London, England. All types of trucks are allowed but are "encouraged" (not forced by law) to use only the 2 inside lanes of the highway. Traffic is heavy throughout the day -- truck traffic as well, although it's certainly much lighter after midnight and until about 6:00 in the morning. The chance of the massive accident you describe happening at this time is minimal. Accidents usually involve only 1 or 2 cars, cause by poor road conditions or by a drunk driver. But there could always be that random, freak accident if you needed it for the purpose of your story. Tragically, there have been some terrible accidents involving lengthy pile-ups during the day. Several have involved trucks which spun out of control, jackknifing across several lanes. Some of those were caused when trucks lost wheels. (I was about 15 minutes behind one of these a couple of years ago but, very fortunately, just got caught at the tail end) The weather has been the other major cause of pile-ups -- unexpected fog during rush hour or a sudden white out during a snow storm. Because of the volume of traffic, these accidents have been horrific. Nothing like driving on the 401, in high speed, bumper to bumper traffic, sandwiched between 2 massive, King Kong trucks. There is no escape! Carol ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:11:56 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: Answers and scores for Kerth Quiz #1: Best Comedy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/01 10:48:16 AM EST, zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes: << Alexis gets 1 point and a smiley face. >> LOL! Smiley faces are nice. :) Alexis ;-.) "You should see him, Clark, up close. He's the most magnificent figure of a man I've ever seen." (Lois) "Sounds like he made quite an impression on you." (Clark) "He did...why? Are you jealous?" (Lois) "Of Superman? Should I be?" (Clark) {LnC, Pilot} ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:19:12 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: OT: Fanfic Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First of all i wanted to thank all of you who responded to me about the annulment question. Now, I have another question...I need to know the whole court process of getting a divorce but I need to know it in simple terms so I can write it into the story. I was hoping it could include a courtroom...and other things...etc..etc...Please email me privately at LoisLane9397@aol.com Thanks, Alexis ;-.) "You should see him, Clark, up close. He's the most magnificent figure of a man I've ever seen." (Lois) "Sounds like he made quite an impression on you." (Clark) "He did...why? Are you jealous?" (Lois) "Of Superman? Should I be?" (Clark) {LnC, Pilot} ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:20:55 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/12/01 1:26:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, melenajill@YAHOO.CA writes: > Finally, can any residents of Metropolis tell me > when it makes sense for there to be a big accident on > the freeway causing lots of death and destruction? Either between about 7 am to 9 am or 4 pm to 6 or 7 pm -- the morning or afternoon rush hour. I > mean, is there enough traffic for this in the middle > of the night? Not normally, no. Oh, I lied, there's one more; would > there be any restrictions on what vehicles are allowed > on the freeway? Like big semis or dump trucks, I > mean. Some cities do not allow trucks carrying hazardous materials ( nasty chemicals or explosives, for example) on the freeways near the center of town. They make them take the outer ring roads/ beltways. But some cities do allow these trucks on all the freeways. It just depends so you can have Metropolis do what you want. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:22:43 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/12/2001 1:26:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, melenajill@YAHOO.CA writes: << would there be any restrictions on what vehicles are allowed on the freeway? Like big semis or dump trucks, I mean. >> Depends. On most major highways and interstates, all vehicles are allowed even those double trailers on teh big trucks. In other areas (like here where we have mega rush hour traffic problems) those double trailers are prohibited but everything else is allowed on the expressway. On the parkways, no commercial traffic is allowed (partly because they weren't designed for it and the bridges are too low and exit/entrance ramps too tight). Every once in a while (usually near me where the expressway and parkway are barely yards apart) a semi picks the wrong ramp and gets stuck under a bridge on the parkway and the top rolls back like when you open a can of sardines. Actually, the worst road conditions are known as "black ice" where you have such a very thin layer of ice on the roads that it's not visible to drivers and so they are driving at regular speeds. This actually could be very early in the morning before the major traffic picks up--or late at night after things quiet down a bit. Or sometimes in an unexpected freezing rain. All you need is one vehicle that skids when hitting the brakes or taking a curve. I'd put Kansas one time zone west of Metropolis. A tiny slice of the westernmost part of Kansas is in Mountain time, but most is Central. Metropolis is generally considered to be an east coast city on Eastern time. I can't speak for farmers, though... --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:23:39 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Carol! > Lena, these examples are from the 401 which runs north of Toronto, and is not > as scary as some others, like the M1(?) around London, England. Having been in Toronto last summer, I can certify that the big freeways in and around the city are *far* scarier than any of the worst of the British motorways, even the M25 (London orbital) and M6 (major midlands to north-west route, and the busiest motorway in the country). The 401, and more especially the freeway right by the airport, are terrifying! Up to nine lanes each side (where the most we have is four), exits and entrances every 1/4 mile (ours are never that close, and are very well signed), and lanes which actually *disappear* so that in a very short space of time you find yourself running out of road... seriously scary! My husband has driven around many of the US and Canada's major cities, and he reckons Toronto is one of the worst. So, yes, I'd say Toronto is a pretty good example! Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:46:52 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Wendy. It was the M25 and the M6 -- maybe they seemed scary because, although I knew the rules, they weren't automatic responses. Knew I was right to be terrified when I drive the 401. And Laurie, how could I have forgotten the black ice! Lena, looks like you have lots of leeway(freeway ) for this accident. :) Carol ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:58:03 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for asking this one, Lena. :) I've often wondered about that time difference myself and so am now busily filing away all of the responses for future reference. :) One small thing - Clark's not always considerate enough to wait for his parents to wake up. I distinctly remember an episode in which he phoned them when they were asleep in bed. Course to my eternal shame - having not had time to watch an episode in a time - I can't remember which one it was. So if it was causing a glitch having to wait to a time when they were awake, you needn't necessarily have to. LabRat :) > In trying to coordinate a few events, I'm running into > timing problems. The first of which is; what's the > time difference between Smallville and Metropolis? > Also, Clark's considerate enough to wait for his > mother to wake up, I'm sure, so approximately what > time would a farmer and his wife go to bed and get up? > Finally, can any residents of Metropolis tell me > when it makes sense for there to be a big accident on > the freeway causing lots of death and destruction? I > mean, is there enough traffic for this in the middle > of the night? Oh, I lied, there's one more; would > there be any restrictions on what vehicles are allowed > on the freeway? Like big semis or dump trucks, I > mean. We don't have any real freeways up in the 'Peg. > :) > > Wow! You know, the scene isn't that long! Just > imagine how often I'll be pestering you guys if I > actually get down to some serious writing. > > Thanks in advance, > -Lena > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 16:58:28 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Kerth Quiz 2: The WAFFy Quiz - Answers and Scores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks very much to everyone who took part in this quiz; I hope these are helping to alert FoLCs to stories they might want to re-read before compiling Kerth nominations, or at least making you think about what might fit the categories. :) Okay - here are the answers, and the scores, to the WAFFy quiz. First, in case anyone still wants to challenge themselves... s p o i l e r s p a c e The ANSWERS are: 1 - Naked Truth, by Helene 2 - Moments, by Shayne Terry 3 - To My Love, by Jessi Mounts 4 - Home for Christmas, by Wendy Richards 5 - Is That All I Am? by Tracey 6 - My Mother Made It, by Chris Mulder 7 - Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goons of Smallville, by Phil Atcliffe 8 - The One That Got Away, by Kathy Brown 9 - Stocking Stuffer, by Tank Wilson 10 - That Shocking First Kiss, by Tracey And the scores: We have a three-way tie for first place, since Pam, Hazel and Helene all got nine points. I was tempted to pronounce a winner based on the number of stories recognised from quotes and from extracts, but Pam and Helene tied on that basis too, and I decided not to deduct a point from Helene for failing to recognise a story she beta-read. Or from Hazel for thinking that Just Another Undercover Assignment was WAFFy - I think the MB readers might disagree with that assessment! ;) Or even from Pam for failing to recognise, from quote or extract, a story by her own writing partner, beta-reader and near neighbour, Chris Mulder! Runners-up are Yvonne and Nicole, who each got 4.5 points. Well done, everyone! Hazel's up next, and she should be posting the next quiz on Monday, I think. Wendy (on behalf of your friendly neighbourhood Kerth quiz setters ) -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:03:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz 2: The WAFFy Quiz - Answers and Scores MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Or even from Pam for failing to > recognise, from quote or extract, a story by her own writing partner, > beta-reader and near neighbour, Chris Mulder! All I can do is thank God that Chris isn't on this list... I'll never be able to face her again - at least not before tomorrow ;) In my own defense, I did suspect this was hers, but when I went to the archive to confirm it, I couldn't seem to find the exact paragraphs quoted, using the "find in page" feature, so that convinced me I must have been wrong... dratted computers, tripping me up! -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:56:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lena: I'm a little late getting into this but freeway traffic is on my mind, having just rolled in last night from a visit to the San Francisco area. The answer to your question depends on whether you are speaking about freeways that take you out of the city to another city, or freeways that take you from location to location within a metropolitan area. Having driven freeways in L.A., San Francisco and New York, I can tell you that traffic is heavy 24 hours a day, but the heaviest is during the rush hours as Ann has suggested. However I have been on L.A. freeways at 2:30 in the morning when traffic was very heavy, just not slow moving bumper to bumper as it is from about 5:00 to 9:30. Speed, following too closely, sudden lane changes, loss of attention, and falling asleep are most likely to cause major pile-ups. Weather conditions like ice, snow fog and rain are also major culprits. We came through a bad wind and rainstorm in the Sacramento valley and then a snowstorm in the Mount Shasta area on Wednesday evening, but everyone seemed to be minding their p's and q's do we didn't see any accidents. Traffic in the New York area moves very quickly and drivers give no quarter. You have to have fast reflexes and a keen attention span. The roads are older and seem much narrower than on the West Coast. This was the same impression I had when we were on the M- whatevers in England. Gasoline trucks and semis are allowed on almost all freeways. There are a very few special exceptions. These can be very dangerous especially when the semis are allowed to pull more than one trailer. In Oregon on Thursday, we saw a rig with 3 trailers--very dangerous especially in high winds. These are not legal in our state, but are obviously allowed in others. Sorry if I'm rambling on. Hope I've helped. I'm glad to be home again and wading through my mass of e-mail. There have been some interesting discussions while I've been gone! :) Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Melena" To: Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: Timing > In trying to coordinate a few events, I'm running into > timing problems. The first of which is; what's the > time difference between Smallville and Metropolis? > Also, Clark's considerate enough to wait for his > mother to wake up, I'm sure, so approximately what > time would a farmer and his wife go to bed and get up? > Finally, can any residents of Metropolis tell me > when it makes sense for there to be a big accident on > the freeway causing lots of death and destruction? I > mean, is there enough traffic for this in the middle > of the night? Oh, I lied, there's one more; would > there be any restrictions on what vehicles are allowed > on the freeway? Like big semis or dump trucks, I > mean. We don't have any real freeways up in the 'Peg. > :) > > Wow! You know, the scene isn't that long! Just > imagine how often I'll be pestering you guys if I > actually get down to some serious writing. > > Thanks in advance, > -Lena > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:51:52 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Liz Berard Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith Williams wrote: > > Speed, following too closely, sudden lane changes, loss of attention, and > falling asleep are most likely to cause major pile-ups. Weather conditions > like ice, snow fog and rain are also major culprits. We came through a bad > wind and rainstorm in the Sacramento valley and then a snowstorm in the > Mount Shasta area on Wednesday evening, but everyone seemed to be minding > their p's and q's do we didn't see any accidents. > I'd also like to add that after the storm is often a high time for accidents late at night. We had some major snow. It was plowed, but every night, I heard reports of people who had flipped over or hit a snow covered concrete guard rail and it acted like a ramp flinging them onto the Metra track. It was be easy to have a pile up late at night, in the winter if one of these crazy drivers say: cut off a truck, it jack-knifed (possibly causing other trucks to also. I've always seen lots of trucks at night) and a few other passing cars became involved before the police could stop traffic. Liz ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:38:18 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've lost the original message asking for traffic information, but if you need for some reason to have an accident occur late at night, there can be lots of traffic on weekend nights, if there are several special events clustered together time-wise and location-wise. Or if it is the beginning or ending of a holiday weekend. I have a friend who spent New Year's Eve in New York City and said it took her hours to just get to her car! I was driving from Baltimore to Philadelphia on the Sunday following Thanksgiving and was caught in traffic for hours! This was partially due to the holiday weekend traffic and, for a while, partially due to spectators let out of a football game. This special-event traffic can especially occur in cities which have recently built sports complexes containing more than one stadium/arena in close proximity. I have also been caught in bad traffic after attending a baseball game which let out at the same time as a basketball game in Cleveland, which has such a sports complex. << Gasoline trucks and semis are allowed on almost all freeways. There are a very few special exceptions. >> The only exception I can think of for trucks on freeways would be trucks transporting hazardous materials, which are usually (always?) not allowed in tunnels. Usually there are signs an exit or two before the tunnel, saying that it is upcoming and detailing the restrictions for trucks, in case they need to get off. Christy attalanta@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 01:00:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Melena Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Adam, Carol, Ann, Liz, Judith, Christy, and Laurie for all the help and loads of information (I took lots of notes )! Wendy, I appreciate your corroboration of Toronto as a good example, and Labby you have a good point about Clark waking up Martha (and no, I can't remember which ep either) but unless I have to I'm hoping that he'll wait. Or at least try to wait. You guys wrote things I hadn't even considered; special events causing more traffic, black ice, falling asleep at the wheel, fog, after a storm, the loss of a wheel... unfortunately I can't use all of them in one crash (though I can definitely combine a few). But now I'm considering weather, what time of the year this is taking place - yikes! Decisions! The accident was never really intended as a big scene, just as an excuse to get Clark away so I could focus on Lois... but now I'm thinking of backflashes, regrets, guilt, grief, maybe even nightmares where all this can be incorporated. It would certainly round out Clark's role nicely. So, thanks again! -Lena _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:10:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Timing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Labby > you have a good point about Clark waking up Martha > (and no, I can't remember which ep either) Not that it matters, but the time I'm thinking of was in Contact :) But I think generally he probably would prefer not to wake them up. -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 08:56:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: lcfic Subject: Message Board Index Update through January 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi FoLCs! Lots to check out this week from Zoom's message board with links at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/7378/lnc.html New part(s) posted: HOME IV: NAN SMITH PURITY: YVONNE CONNELL STRANGERS II: RAGGIEMOM (AKA MISSY GALLANT) TOGOM VERSION 487: TANK WILSON TRIAL RUN: STEPPER Completed stories this week: PERSONAL LOYALTIES PLUS TANK ENDING CINDY LEUCH New stories this week: THE DEVIL'S BARGAIN: WENDY RICHARDS FROM ME TO YOU COMPLETE VIGNETTE JOMARCH FUGUE: SHAYNE TERRY THE LONG WAY HOME: CHRISH WHEN YOU NEED MY LOVE COMPLETE VIGNETTE BETHY Added to the Archive this week: Lifeflight - An Elseworld Story - Part I by Raconteur (this is part 1 thru the first part of part 27 of Lifeflight on Zoom's MBs) Added to Anne's archive: LnC Musicals Tank Endings Enjoy! Dawn & the Index Crew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 20:17:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Kerth eligibility, FDK on list and archive >there should be a LINK, not just a listing > of the author's e-mail address at the beginning of the story. An actual link > to click on to the author at the END of the story would be much more > conducive to feedback, I think. :) You know, this is a good idea, but I don't think it goes far enough. I mean, why should we expect readers to actually *write* out feedback in the first place?? How dare the authors have such an exaggerated importance of themselves! I mean, sure, authors spend hours, weeks or months of their free time writing a story that gives people pleasure, but to actually expect a reader to take an extra ten seconds to *cut and paste* an address into their email program?? How arrogant can you get! What the Archive should do is provide pre-printed feedback letters. Then all the reader has to do is click on a link at the bottom of each story, select one of the feedback letters (there could be several choices, but 3-4 would be better -- after all, why should a reader be expected to read several prepared sentences after already having read the story? This would be *way* too much work for them), and sign their name to the bottom. Instant feedback! Actually, we should probably automate the signature somehow, too. Otherwise, people might not take the time to do it at all .... Besides, what's with all these people who think that it's the readers' responsibility to compliment an author on a job well done, anyway? Throw personal responsibility out the window! There's a lot of blame to go around -- if I don't get around to sending an author a feedback letter, it's everyone's fault except my own! Kathy (who will surely regret posting this bit of humor as soon as the send button is clicked ... CLICK ... whoops, sure enough, there's the regret. ;)) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:13:19 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS Elseworlds are a personal favorite of mine, which is why I quickly claimed this category for my own. :) There seems to be a timelessness about Lois and Clark's story that transcends whatever tweaking our talented fanfic authors visit upon canon. The competetion in this category promises to be particularly fierce. Start reading your elseworlds *now*. :) Spiffy Disclaimer Thingy: All the fics in this quiz qualify for Best Elseworld: stories in which one or more major changes have been made to the basic format of the series, such as time, place, and/or nature of the characters. Crossovers would also fit into this category, although I haven't included any in this quiz. HOWEVER, please note that any inclusion or exclusion of a story should not be construed as a recommendation or otherwise. Additional reminder: Inclusion of a story in this quiz does *not* exclude it from any other category. Nominating a story in multiple categories is perfectly legal. For example, Story 1 could be nominated for Best Villain; Story 3 definitely qualifies for Most Innovative Idea... You get the idea. :) Quiz rules: Open hard drive and archive. When submitting your reply, please let us know if you got the fic from the quote (worth two points) or the excerpt (worth one point). And DON'T forget the spoiler space! Quote 1: "I saw it at the fund-raiser tonight. Lois Lane didn't give that speech. Lois Luthor did. A beautiful mannequin." Quote 2: "I'm at a farm owned by a man named Clark Kent, outside of a town called Smallville--" Quote 3: "Clark Kent, meet Ginny Olsen, my secretary." Quote 4: "I told you that, if you found the records, and if it became necessary for you to know where and when the ship landed, I would tell you." Quote 5: "What *is* this place? It looks like a cave ... too bad there aren't any windows --" Quote 6: "And Krypton is the Federation's founding member and you are the head of the Kryptonian government... you were probably the target...." Quote 7: "You'd be running away from your problems, just like I did, it doesn't solve anything. What you have, I lost. No job, no friends and no place to live. So top that one, flyboy. Don't make the same mistake I did. Find a way to stay. You won't regret it." Quote 8: "Yes, it's stuck! Computerized numbers, plush carpet on the walls, and - and - cheesy music, and the thing can't get from one floor to another! Even elevators in Bate's Motel don't get stuck!" Quote 9: 'Easy, Kent. She's not only beautiful, she seems to be a little pigheaded and domineering, too. *And* she's engaged.' Quote 10: "You're not Jerome Kane any more than I am Lois Luthor." S P O I L E R S P A C E Excerpt 1: "Hello, Mrs. Luthor? This is Clark Kent with The--" "--The Metropolis Star," Lois interrupted. "Yes, I know." He had a light, pleasantly masculine voice. "You wrote a terrific story for today's Star." There was a brief pause; then he said, "Thank you." He cleared his throat. "That means a lot, coming from you." "Lex Luthor's wife?" she asked, with a hint of bitterness. "No. Lois Lane." Oh god. Her eyes flooded, and she caught her lower lip between her teeth to stop her tears. "Thank you," she whispered, then took a deep breath and held it for a moment to get herself under control. "How can I help you, Mr. Kent?" Excerpt 2: Clark had started shaking his head at the words "book tour." "You sound like my publisher and editor. No, no book tours. I don't care if the book sells." "Oh. Yeah, right," Lois said sarcastically. "Just last night you told me you wondered if people really liked your books. Here's your chance to find out." He was silent as he looked at her. "You're amazing." Lois looked questioningly at him. "What?" "I said you're amazing. And you're so right. I do wonder if people like my stories. It's just--I'm not comfortable around a lot of people." He shifted in his chair. "I can't believe you've got me considering this." "All right!" "Don't push it. I'm thinking about it." "You could stop in Metropolis." < And stop by to see me while you're there. > Lois thought. "Nope, can't." Lois dropped her fork. "Why not!" "You said to stop at sites I'd have in the book," Clark shrugged. "I've never been to Metropolis." Excerpt 3: Alan missed the nuance. <> Lois couldn't help herself; she snorted laughter. "Hardly." "Hardly," Clark echoed, then looked up in shock, staring straight towards her. He didn't quite know where to focus his eyes, but he certainly seemed to be aware of her. <> Alan was demanding, <> "Well, she, ah..." Clark foundered. Hardly daring to hope that he'd hear, Lois fed him the answer. "I could never marry anyone so anal-retentive." Clark's eyebrows rose, but he gamely relayed her message. "She could never marry anyone so -- never mind, it's really none of my business. I'll, ah, let her know that you called." Alan was still sputtering when Clark hung up the phone. There was a long moment of silence, then Clark reached a tentative, trembling hand towards her. "Lois?" Lois swallowed hard, trying to vanquish the lump on her throat. She hadn't realized how desperately she'd missed human interaction until it was restored. Clark's hand faltered, and he repeated, less certainly, "Lois -- are you there?" Hurriedly, she cleared her throat, determined to put aside all these messy emotions. "Yes, I'm here. I just ... can't believe you can hear me." She reached for him, then stopped a little short of touching him -- she didn't want to risk the disappointment of having her hand pass straight through his, undetected. Excerpt 4: He stared up at her blankly as he said, "W...What? Superman is...?" "An alien. Yes." He seemed to have trouble speaking as he said, "And y... you have... proof? W... What *kind* of proof?" Lois felt her anger begin to dissipate in the face of his reaction. Clark was more than ordinarily shocked. They'd had the same information about Superman from which to work, and, she was certain, the same possibilities had been pointed out to them both during the polygraph tests, yet, unlike Clark, she'd taken the knowledge of Superman's extra-terrestrial origins more or less in her stride. Therefore, she concluded, at least part of his shock had to be attributable to some other cause; the only other cause she could think of was herself. Not only did her discovery clearly demonstrate that she was still the best, it also undoubtedly had forcibly rammed that fact home to him. Suddenly it didn't matter quite so much that the story hadn't actually made it into print. "Oh... photographs," Lois replied with studied nonchalance. She passed a selection of prints across to him, and watched with ill-concealed satisfaction as his jaw hung open and he scrutinised them, one by one. "Where did you find this?" he asked at last. Lois sat down at last, and her satisfaction waned to depression. "In a warehouse down on Bessolo Boulevard. I took the photos and brought them to Perry to persuade him to go down there and retrieve the rest of the stuff, but, by the time we got back there, the whole place had been cleared out." She sighed. "Unless I can trace that stuff, or unless I can get Superman to admit that he's an alien, this story isn't going anywhere." Excerpt 5: Ken wasn't going to murder her ... she would stake her life on that! And then she realized, with a catch in her throat, that she had done just that. "Lois??? Wher r u??" Jimmy had returned to his desk and sent her a message. Almost sobbing with relief, Lois wrote back: "In a cave with the man who rescued the kids. Did you find out anything about him?" "get out of ther now!!!!" "What did u find out??" "he's a murderr. killed his roommmate at reform schl." Excerpt 6: "If only Lady Lois were Kryptonian," Joanna mumbled softly and sadly. But Kal's hearing was alert. "Excuse me, Joanna, but I'm very satisfied with my 'alien' wife." "Oh don't take on so, my boy," the lady dismissed his sulky protest. "Of course, anyone can see that the two of you were made for each other. I only meant that you could contact her telepathically if she only had the ability." "But she can! Lois might not yet be fluent but she has mastered the basics. And I've been trying to reach her again and again." The new husband sounded almost hysterical. "But there's nothing! She's either unable to respond... which means that she might be...." "Shielded!" cut in the woman, reining in his worst imaginings. "Which isn't surprising, these kidnappers appear to know what they're doing." "Yes, that's probably the reason." But a sorrowing Kal didn't sound convinced. Excerpt 7: Lois wondered if anything was wrong with her and if she had lost her edge. Why wasn't she jumping at the chance of a lifetime? Why wasn't she living up to the new nickname her old editor, John, had bestowed on her? After her almost big donut bust story, he called her Mad Dog Lane. He said when she took hold of an idea for a story, he could count on her to see it through no matter how much information she had to go on. At first it insulted her and made her angry; but he was so good-natured; she realized he meant it as a compliment. She liked it now, though she probably wouldn't be called that again. Although she had trusted someone before, now the shoe was on the other foot; she held the trump card in her hand this time. It would be so easy to set a trap for him as he feared. She could gain back a little of what she had lost; front page and possibly even Kerth award material was in her grasp. Who *was* last year's winner for Investigative Reporting? Wasn't it a man named Kent? Clark Kent. Didn't he work at the Daily Planet right here in Metropolis? She didn't pay too much attention to the Kerths last year. The awards were held right before she left town but she was too preoccupied with other matters to pay too close attention then. It was only the other week that she boned up on the details of the awards ceremony. Wouldn't it be a major coup to land a Kerth on her first story while running rough shod over this ace reporter to boot? Excerpt 8: Would it be such a bad thing to let herself go, to let him hold her and feel his lips against hers? Would that be so wrong? And now she was entirely sure it couldn't be, as her face was already cradled tenderly in his hands and his lips were--smashed unceremoniously into the cheap carpeted walls as a deafening clap of gunshot tore through the air and a bullet burst up through the floor. Well, she'd wanted someone to kill the mood, hadn't she? "Uh," she stuttered, trying to recover at least some composure after the startling change in atmosphere, "you're squishing me." The pressure enveloping her lessened instantly. Her protector's voice came from behind her sounding half-frantic. "Oh, I'm so sorry. Are you all right?" Lois giggled, finally recognizing the absurdity of the situation. She'd only wanted to buy a gift for her little sister. Instead, after spending hours having an amazing conversation with a man who'd tried to kiss her, she'd found herself wrapped entirely in that man's protection as he dodged the bullets whizzing around him. Excerpt 9: "The honeymoon suite is right in the front part of the hotel and faces the building where the meetings with the senator will take place. We'll have to check in as newlyweds and hopefully we'll be able to find out what's behind all this." Lois was filling Clark in on the story they were to work on while they drove to her apartment. "Okay." Clark nodded. "Where did you get the information that they're meeting in that building, anyway?" Lois grinned. "Simply by accident. I'm engaged to Lex Luthor, who's the owner of the Lexor Hotel and when he left for a convention last week, I decided to have a weekend of "total relaxation." That's why I was at the hotel. And there I stumbled on these meetings. I recognized Senator Ian Harrington and thought that was suspicious. I even managed to take a few pictures and we were able to identify another man, Thaddeus Rourke. We decided that I should go undercover. Luckily I didn't stay there under my real name. I didn't want to create a big uproar; I just wanted to have a nice quiet weekend. But I can't stay alone in the honeymoon suite for days. I need a cover. And that's why you're here now." Excerpt 10: It felt good. Too good. She caught the barely hidden uncertainty in his eyes and felt him shy away from her again as he started to loosen his grip. He was giving her a choice, she realised. The choice to walk away, close the door between them, and never see him again, or the choice to stay with him. And, suddenly, something beyond her own will wanted her to make the craziest decision, to forget about their fight, Jerome Kane, and Lois Luthor, simply go back to Lois Lane and Clark Kent. Unconsciously, she started to squeeze his hand in hers, pressing her palm to his and gripping his fingers tighter. She held onto him, drawing strength from the physical connection between them, and pondering again how much she was missing him. And she knew. Enjoy! _______ "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:33:20 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Hazel! Great quiz! Okay, here goes: s p o i l e r s p a c e > "I saw it at the fund-raiser tonight. Lois Lane didn't give that > speech. Lois Luthor did. A beautiful mannequin." In The Beginning, by Sheila Harper > Quote 2: > > "I'm at a farm owned by a man named Clark Kent, outside of a town called > Smallville--" Lost and Found, by Jeff Brogden. > Quote 3: > > "Clark Kent, meet Ginny Olsen, my secretary." LOL!! Tryst, by Pam Jernigan. > Quote 4: > > "I told you that, if you found the records, and if it became necessary for > you to know where and when the ship landed, I would tell you." Aww! One of my favourite fics this year. Chris Carr's fantastic Learning Curves. > Quote 5: > > "What *is* this place? It looks like a cave ... too bad there aren't any > windows --" Easy! Mobile Richard's The Fugitive (Part 1) > Quote 6: > > "And Krypton is the Federation's founding member and you are the head of > the Kryptonian government... you were probably the target...." Jenni Debbage's Universal Union 2 > Quote 7: > > "You'd be running away from your problems, just like I did, it doesn't > solve anything. What you have, I lost. No job, no friends and no place to > live. So top that one, flyboy. Don't make the same mistake I did. Find a > way to stay. You won't regret it." I've read this, but can't remember what it is... > Quote 8: > > "Yes, it's stuck! Computerized numbers, plush carpet on the walls, and > - and - cheesy music, and the thing can't get from one floor to > another! Even elevators in Bate's Motel don't get stuck!" Between Floors 7 and 8, by Jessi Mounts > Quote 9: > > 'Easy, Kent. She's not only beautiful, she seems to be a little pigheaded > and domineering, too. *And* she's engaged.' Nicole Wolke's fanzine story? Superiority! > Quote 10: > > "You're not Jerome Kane any more than I am Lois Luthor." Kaethel's wonderful Near Wild Heaven! (Feel free not to award points for this, Hazel, since I provided you with the quote. ) > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > Excerpt 7: > > Lois wondered if anything was wrong with her and if she had lost her edge. > Why wasn't she jumping at the chance of a lifetime? [snip] Aha! Missy Gallant's beautiful Strangers! Okay, Madam Quiz-setter, how'd I do? Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:48:08 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Okay, I love Elseworlds, so I think I have to give it a shot :-) S P O I L E R S P A C E > Quote 1: > > "I saw it at the fund-raiser tonight. Lois Lane didn't give that > speech. Lois Luthor did. A beautiful mannequin." Ah, that's easy. One of my all time-favorites: "In the Beginning" from Sheila Harper > Quote 2: > > "I'm at a farm owned by a man named Clark Kent, outside of a town called > Smallville--" I'd say that's "Lost and Found" by Jeff Brodgen, but I'm not completely sure. > Quote 4: > > "I told you that, if you found the records, and if it became necessary for > you to know where and when the ship landed, I would tell you." Hmm, I think I know which story that is... wasn't that the story where Lois teamed up with Trask? But what was the title and from whom was the story? > Quote 5: > > "What *is* this place? It looks like a cave ... too bad there aren't any > windows --" That's "The Fugitive" by Mobile Richard > Quote 9: > > 'Easy, Kent. She's not only beautiful, she seems to be a little pigheaded > and domineering, too. *And* she's engaged.' Oh my god, that's my own story! God, I'm blushing now! It's "Superiority" by me :-) > Quote 10: > > "You're not Jerome Kane any more than I am Lois Luthor." That's "Near wild heaven - half a world away" by Hélèn Varlet AKA Kaethel :-) > Excerpt 3: That's "Tryst" from Pam Jernigan. Very good story!!! :-) > Excerpt 4: Nope :-( I don't know. > Excerpt 8: Okay, I give it a shot and say it's "the other woman" by M.L Thompson -- AKA CKgroupie on IRC/AIM NKWolke@t-online.de Are you always searching for news about Dean Cain? And you don't have enough time to search? Here's your solution: Go to "The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:28:53 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii S P O I L E R S P A C E Okay, I think I know a lot of these. Quote 1: I think this is 'In the Beginning' by the multi-talented Sheila Harper. Quote 2: Lost and Found by Jeff Brogden. A fantastic story! Quote 3: Ha! Of course this is Tryst by the incomparable Pam Jernigan. Quote 4: Learning Curves by Chris Carr. A brilliant story! Quote 5: Um, I think this is The Fugitive by Mobile Richard - another great story. Quote 6: Universal Union II by Jenni Debbage, I think. Quote 7: I'm not sure Quote 8: Between Floors 7 and 8 by Jessi Mounts - a very talented writer. Quote 9: I'm not sure Quote 10: This sounds like Near Wild Heaven by Kaethel. Is that eligible for this year? Excerpt 7: I'm not sure, but I think this is Connections by Carol Malo. It looks like I'm just going to have to reread that story. Oh, woe is me. Like that's going to make me suffer!! Excerpt 9: I think this is The Other Woman by ML Thompson, but I'm not sure if it's part 1 or part 2. So, how'd I do? (g) Irene ===== www.originalequestrianmusic.bigstep.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:09:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marnie Rowe Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hazel" To: Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 6:13 AM Subject: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS > Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS > S P O I L E R S P A C E > > > > > > > > > > Quote 1: > > "I saw it at the fund-raiser tonight. Lois Lane didn't give that > speech. Lois Luthor did. A beautiful mannequin." > Umm.. I know that I have read it and that it was really good > Quote 2: > > "I'm at a farm owned by a man named Clark Kent, outside of a town called > Smallville--" > this is Jeff Brogdens Lost and Found I think.. > Quote 3: > > "Clark Kent, meet Ginny Olsen, my secretary." I really really liked this story and thought that the insta sex change on Jimmy was just too funny its Tryst by Pam I hope I think > > Quote 4: > > "I told you that, if you found the records, and if it became necessary for > you to know where and when the ship landed, I would tell you." > Another that I know that I have read and enjoyed....i know for a fact that this is in a warehouse scene, and that it was a trap and that all heck breaks loose right after... > > Quote 5: > > "What *is* this place? It looks like a cave ... too bad there aren't any > windows --" > this one I am not too sure on, could it be the one by ML Thompson that with great badgering gave us a sequel to it.... > > Quote 6: > > "And Krypton is the Federation's founding member and you are the head of > the Kryptonian government... you were probably the target...." > This is a Tara Smith one but which part of the Voyager series it is i don't know. > > Quote 7: > > "You'd be running away from your problems, just like I did, it doesn't > solve anything. What you have, I lost. No job, no friends and no place to > live. So top that one, flyboy. Don't make the same mistake I did. Find a > way to stay. You won't regret it." > This I *just reread recently so I can acurately say Missy Gallant's, Strangers. > > Quote 8: > > "Yes, it's stuck! Computerized numbers, plush carpet on the walls, and > - and - cheesy music, and the thing can't get from one floor to > another! Even elevators in Bate's Motel don't get stuck!" > Ok.... no clue... > > Quote 9: > > 'Easy, Kent. She's not only beautiful, she seems to be a little pigheaded > and domineering, too. *And* she's engaged.' > LOL, well that could be any number of fics, just which one actually laid it out I don't know. > > Quote 10: > > "You're not Jerome Kane any more than I am Lois Luthor." > And this is Lene's Near Wild Heaven :) > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > Excerpt 1: > > "Hello, Mrs. Luthor? This is Clark Kent with The--" > > "--The Metropolis Star," Lois interrupted. "Yes, I know." He had a light, > pleasantly masculine voice. "You wrote a terrific story for today's Star." > > There was a brief pause; then he said, "Thank you." He cleared his > throat. "That means a lot, coming from you." > > "Lex Luthor's wife?" she asked, with a hint of bitterness. > > "No. Lois Lane." > > Oh god. Her eyes flooded, and she caught her lower lip between her teeth > to stop her tears. "Thank you," she whispered, then took a deep breath and > held it for a moment to get herself under control. "How can I help you, Mr. > Kent?" > > Excerpt 2: > > Clark had started shaking his head at the words "book tour." "You sound > like my publisher and editor. No, no book tours. I don't care if the book > sells." > > "Oh. Yeah, right," Lois said sarcastically. "Just last night you told me > you wondered if people really liked your books. Here's your chance to find > out." > > He was silent as he looked at her. "You're amazing." > > Lois looked questioningly at him. "What?" > > "I said you're amazing. And you're so right. I do wonder if people like > my stories. It's just--I'm not comfortable around a lot of people." He > shifted in his chair. "I can't believe you've got me considering this." > > "All right!" > > "Don't push it. I'm thinking about it." > > "You could stop in Metropolis." < And stop by to see me while you're > there. > Lois thought. > > "Nope, can't." > > Lois dropped her fork. "Why not!" > > "You said to stop at sites I'd have in the book," Clark shrugged. "I've > never been to Metropolis." > > Excerpt 3: > > Alan missed the nuance. < know she and I are practically engaged.>> > > Lois couldn't help herself; she snorted laughter. "Hardly." > > "Hardly," Clark echoed, then looked up in shock, staring straight towards > her. He didn't quite know where to focus his eyes, but he certainly seemed > to be aware of her. > > <> Alan was demanding, <> > > "Well, she, ah..." Clark foundered. > > Hardly daring to hope that he'd hear, Lois fed him the answer. "I could > never marry anyone so anal-retentive." > > Clark's eyebrows rose, but he gamely relayed her message. "She could never > marry anyone so -- never mind, it's really none of my business. I'll, ah, > let her know that you called." > > Alan was still sputtering when Clark hung up the phone. > > There was a long moment of silence, then Clark reached a tentative, > trembling hand towards her. "Lois?" > > Lois swallowed hard, trying to vanquish the lump on her throat. She hadn't > realized how desperately she'd missed human interaction until it was restored. > > Clark's hand faltered, and he repeated, less certainly, "Lois -- are you > there?" > > Hurriedly, she cleared her throat, determined to put aside all these messy > emotions. "Yes, I'm here. I just ... can't believe you can hear me." She > reached for him, then stopped a little short of touching him -- she didn't > want to risk the disappointment of having her hand pass straight through > his, undetected. > > Excerpt 4: > > He stared up at her blankly as he said, "W...What? Superman is...?" > > "An alien. Yes." > > He seemed to have trouble speaking as he said, "And y... you have... > proof? W... What *kind* of proof?" > > Lois felt her anger begin to dissipate in the face of his reaction. Clark > was more than ordinarily shocked. They'd had the same information about > Superman from which to work, and, she was certain, the same possibilities > had been pointed out to them both during the polygraph tests, yet, unlike > Clark, she'd taken the knowledge of Superman's extra-terrestrial origins > more or less in her stride. Therefore, she concluded, at least part of his > shock had to be attributable to some other cause; the only other cause she > could think of was herself. Not only did her discovery clearly demonstrate > that she was still the best, it also undoubtedly had forcibly rammed that > fact home to him. Suddenly it didn't matter quite so much that the story > hadn't actually made it into print. > > "Oh... photographs," Lois replied with studied nonchalance. She passed a > selection of prints across to him, and watched with ill-concealed > satisfaction as his jaw hung open and he scrutinised them, one by one. > > "Where did you find this?" he asked at last. > > Lois sat down at last, and her satisfaction waned to depression. "In a > warehouse down on Bessolo Boulevard. I took the photos and brought them to > Perry to persuade him to go down there and retrieve the rest of the stuff, > but, by the time we got back there, the whole place had been cleared > out." She sighed. "Unless I can trace that stuff, or unless I can get > Superman to admit that he's an alien, this story isn't going anywhere." > > Excerpt 5: > > Ken wasn't going to murder her ... she would stake her life on that! > > And then she realized, with a catch in her throat, that she had done just that. > > "Lois??? Wher r u??" > > Jimmy had returned to his desk and sent her a message. Almost sobbing with > relief, Lois wrote back: "In a cave with the man who rescued the kids. Did > you find out anything about him?" > > "get out of ther now!!!!" > > "What did u find out??" > > "he's a murderr. killed his roommmate at reform schl." > > Excerpt 6: > > "If only Lady Lois were Kryptonian," Joanna mumbled softly and sadly. > > But Kal's hearing was alert. "Excuse me, Joanna, but I'm very satisfied > with my 'alien' wife." > > "Oh don't take on so, my boy," the lady dismissed his sulky protest. "Of > course, anyone can see that the two of you were made for each other. I > only meant that you could contact her telepathically if she only had the > ability." > > "But she can! Lois might not yet be fluent but she has mastered the > basics. And I've been trying to reach her again and again." The new > husband sounded almost hysterical. "But there's nothing! She's either > unable to respond... which means that she might be...." > > "Shielded!" cut in the woman, reining in his worst imaginings. "Which > isn't surprising, these kidnappers appear to know what they're doing." > > "Yes, that's probably the reason." But a sorrowing Kal didn't sound convinced. > > Excerpt 7: > > Lois wondered if anything was wrong with her and if she had lost her edge. > Why wasn't she jumping at the chance of a lifetime? Why wasn't she living > up to the new nickname her old editor, John, had bestowed on her? After her > almost big donut bust story, he called her Mad Dog Lane. He said when she > took hold of an idea for a story, he could count on her to see it through > no matter how much information she had to go on. At first it insulted her > and made her angry; but he was so good-natured; she realized he meant it as > a compliment. She liked it now, though she probably wouldn't be called that > again. > > Although she had trusted someone before, now the shoe was on the other > foot; she held the trump card in her hand this time. It would be so easy to > set a trap for him as he feared. She could gain back a little of what she > had lost; front page and possibly even Kerth award material was in her grasp. > > Who *was* last year's winner for Investigative Reporting? Wasn't it a man > named Kent? Clark Kent. Didn't he work at the Daily Planet right here in > Metropolis? She didn't pay too much attention to the Kerths last year. The > awards were held right before she left town but she was too preoccupied > with other matters to pay too close attention then. It was only the other > week that she boned up on the details of the awards ceremony. Wouldn't it > be a major coup to land a Kerth on her first story while running rough shod > over this ace reporter to boot? > > Excerpt 8: > > Would it be such a bad thing to let herself go, to let him hold her and > feel his lips against hers? Would that be so wrong? > > And now she was entirely sure it couldn't be, as her face was already > cradled tenderly in his hands and his lips were--smashed unceremoniously > into the cheap carpeted walls as a deafening clap of gunshot tore through > the air and a bullet burst up through the floor. Well, she'd wanted someone > to kill the mood, hadn't she? > > "Uh," she stuttered, trying to recover at least some composure after the > startling change in atmosphere, "you're squishing me." > > The pressure enveloping her lessened instantly. Her protector's voice came > from behind her sounding half-frantic. "Oh, I'm so sorry. Are you all right?" > > Lois giggled, finally recognizing the absurdity of the situation. She'd > only wanted to buy a gift for her little sister. Instead, after spending > hours having an amazing conversation with a man who'd tried to kiss her, > she'd found herself wrapped entirely in that man's protection as he dodged > the bullets whizzing around him. > > Excerpt 9: > > "The honeymoon suite is right in the front part of the hotel and faces the > building where the meetings with the senator will take place. We'll have to > check in as newlyweds and hopefully we'll be able to find out what's behind > all this." > > Lois was filling Clark in on the story they were to work on while they > drove to her apartment. > > "Okay." Clark nodded. "Where did you get the information that they're > meeting in that building, anyway?" > > Lois grinned. "Simply by accident. I'm engaged to Lex Luthor, who's the > owner of the Lexor Hotel and when he left for a convention last week, I > decided to have a weekend of "total relaxation." That's why I was at the > hotel. And there I stumbled on these meetings. I recognized Senator Ian > Harrington and thought that was suspicious. I even managed to take a few > pictures and we were able to identify another man, Thaddeus Rourke. We > decided that I should go undercover. Luckily I didn't stay there under my > real name. I didn't want to create a big uproar; I just wanted to have a > nice quiet weekend. But I can't stay alone in the honeymoon suite for days. > I need a cover. And that's why you're here now." > > Excerpt 10: > > It felt good. Too good. > > She caught the barely hidden uncertainty in his eyes and felt him shy away > from her again as he started to loosen his grip. He was giving her a > choice, she realised. The choice to walk away, close the door between them, > and never see him again, or the choice to stay with him. > > And, suddenly, something beyond her own will wanted her to make the > craziest decision, to forget about their fight, Jerome Kane, and Lois > Luthor, simply go back to Lois Lane and Clark Kent. Unconsciously, she > started to squeeze his hand in hers, pressing her palm to his and gripping > his fingers tighter. She held onto him, drawing strength from the physical > connection between them, and pondering again how much she was missing him. > > And she knew. > > Enjoy! > > _______ > > "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:19:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marnie Rowe Subject: Re: Kerth eligibility, FDK on list and archive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > You know, this is a good idea, but I don't think it goes far enough. I mean, > why should we expect readers to actually *write* out feedback in the first > place?? How dare the authors have such an exaggerated importance of > themselves! I mean, sure, authors spend hours, weeks or months of their free > time writing a story that gives people pleasure, but to actually expect a > reader to take an extra ten seconds to *cut and paste* an address into their > email program?? LOL, Kathy that was just cutting... I must admit that I tend to read online most of the time and when I finish a story on the archive I automatically hit back or close window with a satisfied sigh at the read...i often did think that it would be nice to have the name and email at the end of the story as well as at the top, ecspecially when the story is pretty long and the page up function would take pretty long...I am not saying a link or anything that extreme just the name of the author and the email addy same as at the top, double up on the start up blurb? just my HO Marnie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:56:41 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: OT: contacting me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies for troubling the entire list with this message; it's intended only for listmembers who may wish to email me privately over the next couple of weeks. Unfortunately, I've been stricken by an infectious ailment, :P~~~ and so I have to stay away from work until I no longer need to be quarantined. (I feel as if I have the plague!). So if anyone needs to contact me privately over the next couple of weeks, can you please use my home email address, wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk Thanks, and apologies again for spamming those who aren't interested in this message! Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:44:45 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 01/14/2001 11:32:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes: << The competetion in this category promises to be particularly fierce. >> Oh, man, how will I ever decide how to vote in this category!!! --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:58:41 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK -- I'm still catching up on reading but here goes, without checking my hard drive or the archive. Quotes: 1 - In the Beginning by Sheila Harper 2 - Lost and Found by Jeff Brogden: I'm in the middle of reading this right now . 3 - Tryst by Pam Jernigan 4 - Oops -- I do know this one! 5 - The Darkest Hour by Erin Klinger 6 - Universal Union 2 by Jenni Debbage 7 - I know this one , too. 8. - This sounds like Jessi's story Between Floors -- is it an Elseworld? 9. - ? 10 - ? ------ Excerpts: 4: Learning Curves by Chris Carr! 5: I'm wrong about #5 -- Dear Lois had terrific caves but this isn't Dear Lois, I'm pretty sure. Besides it's not an Elseworld. Looks like I still have a lot to catch up on. :) So many great stories in this category. Carol ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:01:46 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Bethy Em Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ooh, I know some! S P O I L E R S P A C E Quote 1: Oh, man, first one. I know it, honestly I do. I just can't remember the title or the author. Lemme check the excerpt...nope, just reinforced my idea. I could tell you the plot, but no title! Arrgh! Quote 2: "Lost and Found" by Jeff Brogden Quote 3: "Tryst" by Pam Jernigan Quote 4: "Learning Curves" by Chris Carr Quote 5: "The Fugitive" by Mobile Richard Quote 6: "Universal Union, Book 2" by Jenni Debbage Quote 7: "Strangers" by Missy Gallant Quote 8: "Between Floors 7 and 8" by Jessi Mounts Quote 9: See quote 1! ;-) Quote 10: "Near Wild Heaven -- Half a World Away" by Kaethel Well, that wasn't so painful. Funny thing is, I do better on the quotes -- even ones I understood from the quote, I don't recognize when I read the excerpt! :-) Bethy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:03:29 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS: Looking up answers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Carol wrote: >OK -- I'm still catching up on reading but here goes, without checking my >hard drive or the archive. Just wanted to remind you, Carol, and everyone else too, that the quizzes are *open* hard drive and archive. Feel free to double-check your guesses! Wendy and I don't mind, really. :) Hazel _______ "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:58:53 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all :) S p o i l e r S p a c e > Quote 1: > > "I saw it at the fund-raiser tonight. Lois Lane didn't give that > speech. Lois Luthor did. A beautiful mannequin." In the Beginning, by Sheila Harper. > Quote 2: > > "I'm at a farm owned by a man named Clark Kent, outside of a town called > Smallville--" Lost and Found, by Jeff Brodgen. > Quote 3: > > "Clark Kent, meet Ginny Olsen, my secretary." Tryst, by Pam Jernigan. > Quote 4: > > "I told you that, if you found the records, and if it became necessary for > you to know where and when the ship landed, I would tell you." I'm pretty sure that's from Learning Curves, by Chris Carr. > Quote 5: > > "What *is* this place? It looks like a cave ... too bad there aren't any > windows --" Uh... nope, no idea. > Quote 6: > > "And Krypton is the Federation's founding member and you are the head of > the Kryptonian government... you were probably the target...." Universal Union, book 2, by Jenni Debbage. > Quote 7: > > "You'd be running away from your problems, just like I did, it doesn't > solve anything. What you have, I lost. No job, no friends and no place to > live. So top that one, flyboy. Don't make the same mistake I did. Find a > way to stay. You won't regret it." This one sounds familiar but I can't put my finger on it. > Quote 8: > > "Yes, it's stuck! Computerized numbers, plush carpet on the walls, and > - and - cheesy music, and the thing can't get from one floor to > another! Even elevators in Bate's Motel don't get stuck!" Arrrgh, I know I've read that! Oh! Could that be Between Floors 7 and 8, by Jessi Mounts? > Quote 9: > > 'Easy, Kent. She's not only beautiful, she seems to be a little pigheaded > and domineering, too. *And* she's engaged.' Uh... nope, I don't think I've read that yet. > Quote 10: > > "You're not Jerome Kane any more than I am Lois Luthor." Near Wild Heaven - Half a World Away, by Kaethel. (hey, thanks, Hazel :)) Okay, let's see if I can complete my answers with the excerpts. :) > Excerpt 5: > > Ken wasn't going to murder her ... she would stake her life on that! > > And then she realized, with a catch in her throat, that she had done just that. > > "Lois??? Wher r u??" > > Jimmy had returned to his desk and sent her a message. Almost sobbing with > relief, Lois wrote back: "In a cave with the man who rescued the kids. Did > you find out anything about him?" > > "get out of ther now!!!!" > > "What did u find out??" > > "he's a murderr. killed his roommmate at reform schl." Still no idea. > Excerpt 7: > > Lois wondered if anything was wrong with her and if she had lost her edge. > Why wasn't she jumping at the chance of a lifetime? Why wasn't she living > up to the new nickname her old editor, John, had bestowed on her? After her > almost big donut bust story, he called her Mad Dog Lane. He said when she > took hold of an idea for a story, he could count on her to see it through > no matter how much information she had to go on. At first it insulted her > and made her angry; but he was so good-natured; she realized he meant it as > a compliment. She liked it now, though she probably wouldn't be called that > again. > > Although she had trusted someone before, now the shoe was on the other > foot; she held the trump card in her hand this time. It would be so easy to > set a trap for him as he feared. She could gain back a little of what she > had lost; front page and possibly even Kerth award material was in her grasp. > > Who *was* last year's winner for Investigative Reporting? Wasn't it a man > named Kent? Clark Kent. Didn't he work at the Daily Planet right here in > Metropolis? She didn't pay too much attention to the Kerths last year. The > awards were held right before she left town but she was too preoccupied > with other matters to pay too close attention then. It was only the other > week that she boned up on the details of the awards ceremony. Wouldn't it > be a major coup to land a Kerth on her first story while running rough shod > over this ace reporter to boot? Oooooh, hang on a minute... that's Strangers, by Missy Gallant, right? > Excerpt 9: > > "The honeymoon suite is right in the front part of the hotel and faces the > building where the meetings with the senator will take place. We'll have to > check in as newlyweds and hopefully we'll be able to find out what's behind > all this." > > Lois was filling Clark in on the story they were to work on while they > drove to her apartment. > > "Okay." Clark nodded. "Where did you get the information that they're > meeting in that building, anyway?" > > Lois grinned. "Simply by accident. I'm engaged to Lex Luthor, who's the > owner of the Lexor Hotel and when he left for a convention last week, I > decided to have a weekend of "total relaxation." That's why I was at the > hotel. And there I stumbled on these meetings. I recognized Senator Ian > Harrington and thought that was suspicious. I even managed to take a few > pictures and we were able to identify another man, Thaddeus Rourke. We > decided that I should go undercover. Luckily I didn't stay there under my > real name. I didn't want to create a big uproar; I just wanted to have a > nice quiet weekend. But I can't stay alone in the honeymoon suite for days. > I need a cover. And that's why you're here now." Sigh... I'm pretty sure I've read and enjoyed that one too. Thanks for the quiz, Hazel! Helene :) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:36:24 -0000 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Things are looking up...I can answer more than one, which is my criteria for bothering to answer at all . S P O I L E R S P A C E Quote 6: > "And Krypton is the Federation's founding member and you are the head of > the Kryptonian government... you were probably the target...." This has got to be one of Jenni's Krypton-based stories. I just don't know which one. > Excerpt 1: > Sheila Harper's In The Beginning > > Excerpt 2: Jeff Brogden's story where Clark's a retiring writer still living at the farm and his parents are dead and Lois has an accident and ends up staying with him for a few days...but I can't remember the blasted title! Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:19:03 +1100 Reply-To: "jenerator@ozemail.com.au" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jen Stosser Subject: Re: FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof Oh goodie, that means you're probably about to read my one and only fanfic... and that I can expect to see some fdk from you on it? Jen -----Original Message----- From: Melisma [SMTP:melisma@INTERGATE.CA] Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2001 10:49 AM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: [LOISCLA-GENERAL-L] FDK on the list and the Archive...or lack thereof a little bit here and there. Let's just say that I'm giving feedback to authors for stories written in 1994 and 1995, that's how far behind I am. So you writers, please don't give up on me. You'll hear from me, even if it takes six years :) Melisma (crawling back under the piles of fic strewn about under her Rock) Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:58:21 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Question for a fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys :) I need your help on something for a new fic I'm working on: if a reporter has been working on a story, but never wrote it or even finished their investigation (because they left the reporting business or weren't able to find the lead that would break the case), and if another reporters comes in and continues the investigation in question, on their own, would this reporter acknowledge the previous reporter's work in their byline or in any other way? Helene :) Kaethel@club-internet.fr ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:37:58 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: ChiaraP Subject: R: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit S P O I L E R S P A C E -----Messaggio Originale----- Da: "Hazel" A: Data invio: domenica 14 gennaio 2001 12.13 Oggetto: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS > Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS > > Elseworlds are a personal favorite of mine, which is why I quickly claimed > this category for my own. :) There seems to be a timelessness about Lois > and Clark's story that transcends whatever tweaking our talented fanfic > authors visit upon canon. The competetion in this category promises to be > particularly fierce. Start reading your elseworlds *now*. :) > > Spiffy Disclaimer Thingy: All the fics in this quiz qualify for Best > Elseworld: stories in which one or more major changes have been made to the > basic format of the series, such as time, place, and/or nature of the > characters. Crossovers would also fit into this category, although I > haven't included any in this quiz. HOWEVER, please note that any inclusion > or exclusion of a story should not be construed as a recommendation or > otherwise. > > Additional reminder: Inclusion of a story in this quiz does *not* exclude > it from any other category. Nominating a story in multiple categories is > perfectly legal. For example, Story 1 could be nominated for Best Villain; > Story 3 definitely qualifies for Most Innovative Idea... You get the idea. :) > > Quiz rules: Open hard drive and archive. When submitting your reply, please > let us know if you got the fic from the quote (worth two points) or the > excerpt (worth one point). And DON'T forget the spoiler space! > > Quote 1: > > "I saw it at the fund-raiser tonight. Lois Lane didn't give that > speech. Lois Luthor did. A beautiful mannequin." No Idea!!!! > > Quote 2: > > "I'm at a farm owned by a man named Clark Kent, outside of a town called > Smallville--" > no idea > Quote 3: > > "Clark Kent, meet Ginny Olsen, my secretary." > no idea again :( Can't be Queen Lois by Mobile Richard ??? but I don't know > Quote 4: > > "I told you that, if you found the records, and if it became necessary for > you to know where and when the ship landed, I would tell you." > > Quote 5: > > "What *is* this place? It looks like a cave ... too bad there aren't any > windows --" > > Quote 6: > > "And Krypton is the Federation's founding member and you are the head of > the Kryptonian government... you were probably the target...." > Universal Union 2 by Jenny? can't be???? > Quote 7: > > "You'd be running away from your problems, just like I did, it doesn't > solve anything. What you have, I lost. No job, no friends and no place to > live. So top that one, flyboy. Don't make the same mistake I did. Find a > way to stay. You won't regret it." > Stangers by Missy!!!!!!!! wonderful!!!!!!! > Quote 8: > > "Yes, it's stuck! Computerized numbers, plush carpet on the walls, and > - and - cheesy music, and the thing can't get from one floor to > another! Even elevators in Bate's Motel don't get stuck!" > > Quote 9: > > 'Easy, Kent. She's not only beautiful, she seems to be a little pigheaded > and domineering, too. *And* she's engaged.' > > Quote 10: > > "You're not Jerome Kane any more than I am Lois Luthor." Helene's (Kaethel) Near wild Heven!!!!!!!!! > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > Excerpt 1: > > "Hello, Mrs. Luthor? This is Clark Kent with The--" > > "--The Metropolis Star," Lois interrupted. "Yes, I know." He had a light, > pleasantly masculine voice. "You wrote a terrific story for today's Star." > > There was a brief pause; then he said, "Thank you." He cleared his > throat. "That means a lot, coming from you." > > "Lex Luthor's wife?" she asked, with a hint of bitterness. > > "No. Lois Lane." > > Oh god. Her eyes flooded, and she caught her lower lip between her teeth > to stop her tears. "Thank you," she whispered, then took a deep breath and > held it for a moment to get herself under control. "How can I help you, Mr. > Kent?" > > Excerpt 2: > > Clark had started shaking his head at the words "book tour." "You sound > like my publisher and editor. No, no book tours. I don't care if the book > sells." > > "Oh. Yeah, right," Lois said sarcastically. "Just last night you told me > you wondered if people really liked your books. Here's your chance to find > out." > > He was silent as he looked at her. "You're amazing." > > Lois looked questioningly at him. "What?" > > "I said you're amazing. And you're so right. I do wonder if people like > my stories. It's just--I'm not comfortable around a lot of people." He > shifted in his chair. "I can't believe you've got me considering this." > > "All right!" > > "Don't push it. I'm thinking about it." > > "You could stop in Metropolis." < And stop by to see me while you're > there. > Lois thought. > > "Nope, can't." > > Lois dropped her fork. "Why not!" > > "You said to stop at sites I'd have in the book," Clark shrugged. "I've > never been to Metropolis." > Excerpt 3: > > Alan missed the nuance. < know she and I are practically engaged.>> > > Lois couldn't help herself; she snorted laughter. "Hardly." > > "Hardly," Clark echoed, then looked up in shock, staring straight towards > her. He didn't quite know where to focus his eyes, but he certainly seemed > to be aware of her. > > <> Alan was demanding, <> > > "Well, she, ah..." Clark foundered. > > Hardly daring to hope that he'd hear, Lois fed him the answer. "I could > never marry anyone so anal-retentive." > > Clark's eyebrows rose, but he gamely relayed her message. "She could never > marry anyone so -- never mind, it's really none of my business. I'll, ah, > let her know that you called." > > Alan was still sputtering when Clark hung up the phone. > > There was a long moment of silence, then Clark reached a tentative, > trembling hand towards her. "Lois?" > > Lois swallowed hard, trying to vanquish the lump on her throat. She hadn't > realized how desperately she'd missed human interaction until it was restored. > > Clark's hand faltered, and he repeated, less certainly, "Lois -- are you > there?" > > Hurriedly, she cleared her throat, determined to put aside all these messy > emotions. "Yes, I'm here. I just ... can't believe you can hear me." She > reached for him, then stopped a little short of touching him -- she didn't > want to risk the disappointment of having her hand pass straight through > his, undetected. > mmm I dont' know... > Excerpt 4: > > He stared up at her blankly as he said, "W...What? Superman is...?" > > "An alien. Yes." > > He seemed to have trouble speaking as he said, "And y... you have... > proof? W... What *kind* of proof?" > > Lois felt her anger begin to dissipate in the face of his reaction. Clark > was more than ordinarily shocked. They'd had the same information about > Superman from which to work, and, she was certain, the same possibilities > had been pointed out to them both during the polygraph tests, yet, unlike > Clark, she'd taken the knowledge of Superman's extra-terrestrial origins > more or less in her stride. Therefore, she concluded, at least part of his > shock had to be attributable to some other cause; the only other cause she > could think of was herself. Not only did her discovery clearly demonstrate > that she was still the best, it also undoubtedly had forcibly rammed that > fact home to him. Suddenly it didn't matter quite so much that the story > hadn't actually made it into print. > > "Oh... photographs," Lois replied with studied nonchalance. She passed a > selection of prints across to him, and watched with ill-concealed > satisfaction as his jaw hung open and he scrutinised them, one by one. > > "Where did you find this?" he asked at last. > > Lois sat down at last, and her satisfaction waned to depression. "In a > warehouse down on Bessolo Boulevard. I took the photos and brought them to > Perry to persuade him to go down there and retrieve the rest of the stuff, > but, by the time we got back there, the whole place had been cleared > out." She sighed. "Unless I can trace that stuff, or unless I can get > Superman to admit that he's an alien, this story isn't going anywhere." > > Excerpt 5: > > Ken wasn't going to murder her ... she would stake her life on that! > > And then she realized, with a catch in her throat, that she had done just that. > > "Lois??? Wher r u??" > > Jimmy had returned to his desk and sent her a message. Almost sobbing with > relief, Lois wrote back: "In a cave with the man who rescued the kids. Did > you find out anything about him?" > > "get out of ther now!!!!" > > "What did u find out??" > > "he's a murderr. killed his roommmate at reform schl." > The fugitive!!!!! by Mobile Richard... I'm very sure!!!! > Excerpt 6: > > "If only Lady Lois were Kryptonian," Joanna mumbled softly and sadly. > > But Kal's hearing was alert. "Excuse me, Joanna, but I'm very satisfied > with my 'alien' wife." > > "Oh don't take on so, my boy," the lady dismissed his sulky protest. "Of > course, anyone can see that the two of you were made for each other. I > only meant that you could contact her telepathically if she only had the > ability." > > "But she can! Lois might not yet be fluent but she has mastered the > basics. And I've been trying to reach her again and again." The new > husband sounded almost hysterical. "But there's nothing! She's either > unable to respond... which means that she might be...." > > "Shielded!" cut in the woman, reining in his worst imaginings. "Which > isn't surprising, these kidnappers appear to know what they're doing." > > "Yes, that's probably the reason." But a sorrowing Kal didn't sound convinced. > YEah it can be Universal union > Excerpt 7: > > Lois wondered if anything was wrong with her and if she had lost her edge. > Why wasn't she jumping at the chance of a lifetime? Why wasn't she living > up to the new nickname her old editor, John, had bestowed on her? After her > almost big donut bust story, he called her Mad Dog Lane. He said when she > took hold of an idea for a story, he could count on her to see it through > no matter how much information she had to go on. At first it insulted her > and made her angry; but he was so good-natured; she realized he meant it as > a compliment. She liked it now, though she probably wouldn't be called that > again. > > Although she had trusted someone before, now the shoe was on the other > foot; she held the trump card in her hand this time. It would be so easy to > set a trap for him as he feared. She could gain back a little of what she > had lost; front page and possibly even Kerth award material was in her grasp. > > Who *was* last year's winner for Investigative Reporting? Wasn't it a man > named Kent? Clark Kent. Didn't he work at the Daily Planet right here in > Metropolis? She didn't pay too much attention to the Kerths last year. The > awards were held right before she left town but she was too preoccupied > with other matters to pay too close attention then. It was only the other > week that she boned up on the details of the awards ceremony. Wouldn't it > be a major coup to land a Kerth on her first story while running rough shod > over this ace reporter to boot? > YAEH!!! This is Strangers !!!!!! > Excerpt 8: > > Would it be such a bad thing to let herself go, to let him hold her and > feel his lips against hers? Would that be so wrong? > > And now she was entirely sure it couldn't be, as her face was already > cradled tenderly in his hands and his lips were--smashed unceremoniously > into the cheap carpeted walls as a deafening clap of gunshot tore through > the air and a bullet burst up through the floor. Well, she'd wanted someone > to kill the mood, hadn't she? > > "Uh," she stuttered, trying to recover at least some composure after the > startling change in atmosphere, "you're squishing me." > > The pressure enveloping her lessened instantly. Her protector's voice came > from behind her sounding half-frantic. "Oh, I'm so sorry. Are you all right?" > > Lois giggled, finally recognizing the absurdity of the situation. She'd > only wanted to buy a gift for her little sister. Instead, after spending > hours having an amazing conversation with a man who'd tried to kiss her, > she'd found herself wrapped entirely in that man's protection as he dodged > the bullets whizzing around him. > > Excerpt 9: > > "The honeymoon suite is right in the front part of the hotel and faces the > building where the meetings with the senator will take place. We'll have to > check in as newlyweds and hopefully we'll be able to find out what's behind > all this." > > Lois was filling Clark in on the story they were to work on while they > drove to her apartment. > > "Okay." Clark nodded. "Where did you get the information that they're > meeting in that building, anyway?" > > Lois grinned. "Simply by accident. I'm engaged to Lex Luthor, who's the > owner of the Lexor Hotel and when he left for a convention last week, I > decided to have a weekend of "total relaxation." That's why I was at the > hotel. And there I stumbled on these meetings. I recognized Senator Ian > Harrington and thought that was suspicious. I even managed to take a few > pictures and we were able to identify another man, Thaddeus Rourke. We > decided that I should go undercover. Luckily I didn't stay there under my > real name. I didn't want to create a big uproar; I just wanted to have a > nice quiet weekend. But I can't stay alone in the honeymoon suite for days. > I need a cover. And that's why you're here now." > > Excerpt 10: > > It felt good. Too good. > > She caught the barely hidden uncertainty in his eyes and felt him shy away > from her again as he started to loosen his grip. He was giving her a > choice, she realised. The choice to walk away, close the door between them, > and never see him again, or the choice to stay with him. > > And, suddenly, something beyond her own will wanted her to make the > craziest decision, to forget about their fight, Jerome Kane, and Lois > Luthor, simply go back to Lois Lane and Clark Kent. Unconsciously, she > started to squeeze his hand in hers, pressing her palm to his and gripping > his fingers tighter. She held onto him, drawing strength from the physical > connection between them, and pondering again how much she was missing him. > > And she knew. > I agree withmyself...This is Near Wild Heaven by Helene/Kaethel ! > Enjoy! > > _______ > > "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:54:28 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS: Looking up answers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know, I know -- but I was feeling like a hotshot at the beginning of the quiz -- not by the end though . And thanks for the quiz, Hazel. Carol ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:03:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hazel wrote: > Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS > > Elseworlds are a personal favorite of mine, which is why I quickly claimed > this category for my own. :) There seems to be a timelessness about Lois > and Clark's story that transcends whatever tweaking our talented fanfic > authors visit upon canon. The competetion in this category promises to be > particularly fierce. Start reading your elseworlds *now*. :) > > Spiffy Disclaimer Thingy: All the fics in this quiz qualify for Best > Elseworld: stories in which one or more major changes have been made to the > basic format of the series, such as time, place, and/or nature of the > characters. Crossovers would also fit into this category, although I > haven't included any in this quiz. HOWEVER, please note that any inclusion > or exclusion of a story should not be construed as a recommendation or > otherwise. > > Additional reminder: Inclusion of a story in this quiz does *not* exclude > it from any other category. Nominating a story in multiple categories is > perfectly legal. For example, Story 1 could be nominated for Best Villain; > Story 3 definitely qualifies for Most Innovative Idea... You get the idea. :) > > Quiz rules: Open hard drive and archive. When submitting your reply, please > let us know if you got the fic from the quote (worth two points) or the > excerpt (worth one point). And DON'T forget the spoiler space! Okay, I'll take a stab at it.S P O I L E R S P A C E M O R E S P O I L E R S P A C E > These are by some of my favorite authors. > > Quote 1: > > "I saw it at the fund-raiser tonight. Lois Lane didn't give that > speech. Lois Luthor did. A beautiful mannequin." I rarely miss a Sheila Harper story. "In The Beginning" > > > Quote 2: > > "I'm at a farm owned by a man named Clark Kent, outside of a town called > Smallville--" Jeff Brogden's "Lost and Found" > > > Quote 3: > > "Clark Kent, meet Ginny Olsen, my secretary." Pam Jernigan's "Tryst". > > > Quote 4: > > "I told you that, if you found the records, and if it became necessary for > you to know where and when the ship landed, I would tell you." Chris Carr's really wonderful "Learning Curves". > > > Quote 5: > > "What *is* this place? It looks like a cave ... too bad there aren't any > windows --" > I think this is Mobile Richard's story, but for the life of me, I can't think of the title. > Quote 6: > > "And Krypton is the Federation's founding member and you are the head of > the Kryptonian government... you were probably the target...." > "A Universal Union, Part 2" by Jenni Debbage I loved this series and I'm impatiently waiting for part 3! > Quote 7: > > "You'd be running away from your problems, just like I did, it doesn't > solve anything. What you have, I lost. No job, no friends and no place to > live. So top that one, flyboy. Don't make the same mistake I did. Find a > way to stay. You won't regret it." Darn it! I've read this. Is it "Strangers"? No idea about the author.... > > > Quote 8: > > "Yes, it's stuck! Computerized numbers, plush carpet on the walls, and > - and - cheesy music, and the thing can't get from one floor to > another! Even elevators in Bate's Motel don't get stuck!" "Between Floors 7 and 8." Is the author Kaethel? > > > Quote 9: > > 'Easy, Kent. She's not only beautiful, she seems to be a little pigheaded > and domineering, too. *And* she's engaged.' I think this is "Superiority", and I think Nicole is the author, but don't hold me to it. > > > Quote 10: > > "You're not Jerome Kane any more than I am Lois Luthor." "Near Wild Heaven", no idea as to the author, > > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > Excerpt 1: > > "Hello, Mrs. Luthor? This is Clark Kent with The--" > > "--The Metropolis Star," Lois interrupted. "Yes, I know." He had a light, > pleasantly masculine voice. "You wrote a terrific story for today's Star." > > There was a brief pause; then he said, "Thank you." He cleared his > throat. "That means a lot, coming from you." > > "Lex Luthor's wife?" she asked, with a hint of bitterness. > > "No. Lois Lane." > > Oh god. Her eyes flooded, and she caught her lower lip between her teeth > to stop her tears. "Thank you," she whispered, then took a deep breath and > held it for a moment to get herself under control. "How can I help you, Mr. > Kent?" > > Excerpt 2: > > Clark had started shaking his head at the words "book tour." "You sound > like my publisher and editor. No, no book tours. I don't care if the book > sells." > > "Oh. Yeah, right," Lois said sarcastically. "Just last night you told me > you wondered if people really liked your books. Here's your chance to find > out." > > He was silent as he looked at her. "You're amazing." > > Lois looked questioningly at him. "What?" > > "I said you're amazing. And you're so right. I do wonder if people like > my stories. It's just--I'm not comfortable around a lot of people." He > shifted in his chair. "I can't believe you've got me considering this." > > "All right!" > > "Don't push it. I'm thinking about it." > > "You could stop in Metropolis." < And stop by to see me while you're > there. > Lois thought. > > "Nope, can't." > > Lois dropped her fork. "Why not!" > > "You said to stop at sites I'd have in the book," Clark shrugged. "I've > never been to Metropolis." > > Excerpt 3: > > Alan missed the nuance. < know she and I are practically engaged.>> > > Lois couldn't help herself; she snorted laughter. "Hardly." > > "Hardly," Clark echoed, then looked up in shock, staring straight towards > her. He didn't quite know where to focus his eyes, but he certainly seemed > to be aware of her. > > <> Alan was demanding, <> > > "Well, she, ah..." Clark foundered. > > Hardly daring to hope that he'd hear, Lois fed him the answer. "I could > never marry anyone so anal-retentive." > > Clark's eyebrows rose, but he gamely relayed her message. "She could never > marry anyone so -- never mind, it's really none of my business. I'll, ah, > let her know that you called." > > Alan was still sputtering when Clark hung up the phone. > > There was a long moment of silence, then Clark reached a tentative, > trembling hand towards her. "Lois?" > > Lois swallowed hard, trying to vanquish the lump on her throat. She hadn't > realized how desperately she'd missed human interaction until it was restored. > > Clark's hand faltered, and he repeated, less certainly, "Lois -- are you > there?" > > Hurriedly, she cleared her throat, determined to put aside all these messy > emotions. "Yes, I'm here. I just ... can't believe you can hear me." She > reached for him, then stopped a little short of touching him -- she didn't > want to risk the disappointment of having her hand pass straight through > his, undetected. > > Excerpt 4: > > He stared up at her blankly as he said, "W...What? Superman is...?" > > "An alien. Yes." > > He seemed to have trouble speaking as he said, "And y... you have... > proof? W... What *kind* of proof?" > > Lois felt her anger begin to dissipate in the face of his reaction. Clark > was more than ordinarily shocked. They'd had the same information about > Superman from which to work, and, she was certain, the same possibilities > had been pointed out to them both during the polygraph tests, yet, unlike > Clark, she'd taken the knowledge of Superman's extra-terrestrial origins > more or less in her stride. Therefore, she concluded, at least part of his > shock had to be attributable to some other cause; the only other cause she > could think of was herself. Not only did her discovery clearly demonstrate > that she was still the best, it also undoubtedly had forcibly rammed that > fact home to him. Suddenly it didn't matter quite so much that the story > hadn't actually made it into print. > > "Oh... photographs," Lois replied with studied nonchalance. She passed a > selection of prints across to him, and watched with ill-concealed > satisfaction as his jaw hung open and he scrutinised them, one by one. > > "Where did you find this?" he asked at last. > > Lois sat down at last, and her satisfaction waned to depression. "In a > warehouse down on Bessolo Boulevard. I took the photos and brought them to > Perry to persuade him to go down there and retrieve the rest of the stuff, > but, by the time we got back there, the whole place had been cleared > out." She sighed. "Unless I can trace that stuff, or unless I can get > Superman to admit that he's an alien, this story isn't going anywhere." > > Excerpt 5: > > Ken wasn't going to murder her ... she would stake her life on that! > > And then she realized, with a catch in her throat, that she had done just that. > > "Lois??? Wher r u??" > > Jimmy had returned to his desk and sent her a message. Almost sobbing with > relief, Lois wrote back: "In a cave with the man who rescued the kids. Did > you find out anything about him?" > > "get out of ther now!!!!" > > "What did u find out??" > > "he's a murderr. killed his roommmate at reform schl." > > Excerpt 6: > > "If only Lady Lois were Kryptonian," Joanna mumbled softly and sadly. > > But Kal's hearing was alert. "Excuse me, Joanna, but I'm very satisfied > with my 'alien' wife." > > "Oh don't take on so, my boy," the lady dismissed his sulky protest. "Of > course, anyone can see that the two of you were made for each other. I > only meant that you could contact her telepathically if she only had the > ability." > > "But she can! Lois might not yet be fluent but she has mastered the > basics. And I've been trying to reach her again and again." The new > husband sounded almost hysterical. "But there's nothing! She's either > unable to respond... which means that she might be...." > > "Shielded!" cut in the woman, reining in his worst imaginings. "Which > isn't surprising, these kidnappers appear to know what they're doing." > > "Yes, that's probably the reason." But a sorrowing Kal didn't sound convinced. > > Excerpt 7: > > Lois wondered if anything was wrong with her and if she had lost her edge. > Why wasn't she jumping at the chance of a lifetime? Why wasn't she living > up to the new nickname her old editor, John, had bestowed on her? After her > almost big donut bust story, he called her Mad Dog Lane. He said when she > took hold of an idea for a story, he could count on her to see it through > no matter how much information she had to go on. At first it insulted her > and made her angry; but he was so good-natured; she realized he meant it as > a compliment. She liked it now, though she probably wouldn't be called that > again. > > Although she had trusted someone before, now the shoe was on the other > foot; she held the trump card in her hand this time. It would be so easy to > set a trap for him as he feared. She could gain back a little of what she > had lost; front page and possibly even Kerth award material was in her grasp. > > Who *was* last year's winner for Investigative Reporting? Wasn't it a man > named Kent? Clark Kent. Didn't he work at the Daily Planet right here in > Metropolis? She didn't pay too much attention to the Kerths last year. The > awards were held right before she left town but she was too preoccupied > with other matters to pay too close attention then. It was only the other > week that she boned up on the details of the awards ceremony. Wouldn't it > be a major coup to land a Kerth on her first story while running rough shod > over this ace reporter to boot? > > Excerpt 8: > > Would it be such a bad thing to let herself go, to let him hold her and > feel his lips against hers? Would that be so wrong? > > And now she was entirely sure it couldn't be, as her face was already > cradled tenderly in his hands and his lips were--smashed unceremoniously > into the cheap carpeted walls as a deafening clap of gunshot tore through > the air and a bullet burst up through the floor. Well, she'd wanted someone > to kill the mood, hadn't she? > > "Uh," she stuttered, trying to recover at least some composure after the > startling change in atmosphere, "you're squishing me." > > The pressure enveloping her lessened instantly. Her protector's voice came > from behind her sounding half-frantic. "Oh, I'm so sorry. Are you all right?" > > Lois giggled, finally recognizing the absurdity of the situation. She'd > only wanted to buy a gift for her little sister. Instead, after spending > hours having an amazing conversation with a man who'd tried to kiss her, > she'd found herself wrapped entirely in that man's protection as he dodged > the bullets whizzing around him. > > Excerpt 9: > > "The honeymoon suite is right in the front part of the hotel and faces the > building where the meetings with the senator will take place. We'll have to > check in as newlyweds and hopefully we'll be able to find out what's behind > all this." > > Lois was filling Clark in on the story they were to work on while they > drove to her apartment. > > "Okay." Clark nodded. "Where did you get the information that they're > meeting in that building, anyway?" > > Lois grinned. "Simply by accident. I'm engaged to Lex Luthor, who's the > owner of the Lexor Hotel and when he left for a convention last week, I > decided to have a weekend of "total relaxation." That's why I was at the > hotel. And there I stumbled on these meetings. I recognized Senator Ian > Harrington and thought that was suspicious. I even managed to take a few > pictures and we were able to identify another man, Thaddeus Rourke. We > decided that I should go undercover. Luckily I didn't stay there under my > real name. I didn't want to create a big uproar; I just wanted to have a > nice quiet weekend. But I can't stay alone in the honeymoon suite for days. > I need a cover. And that's why you're here now." > > Excerpt 10: > > It felt good. Too good. > > She caught the barely hidden uncertainty in his eyes and felt him shy away > from her again as he started to loosen his grip. He was giving her a > choice, she realised. The choice to walk away, close the door between them, > and never see him again, or the choice to stay with him. > > And, suddenly, something beyond her own will wanted her to make the > craziest decision, to forget about their fight, Jerome Kane, and Lois > Luthor, simply go back to Lois Lane and Clark Kent. Unconsciously, she > started to squeeze his hand in hers, pressing her palm to his and gripping > his fingers tighter. She held onto him, drawing strength from the physical > connection between them, and pondering again how much she was missing him. > > And she knew. > > Enjoy! > > _______ > > "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:04:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oooh, elseworlds, one of my favorites... :) And Anne's here to help me! s p o i l e r s p a c e Q1: "In the Beginning" by Sheila Harper Q2: Lost and Found, by Jeff Brogden Q3: Hmmm, seems so familiar... Tryst, by me Q4: Learning Curves, by Chris Carr Q5: I'm not entirely sure but it sounds like the Fugitive, by Mobile Richard Q6: umm... sounds like one of Jenni's ... probably the second one... Q7: we dunno :( Q8: Jessi Mount's "Between Floors 7 and 8" Q9: not ringing any bells... Q10: Near Wild Heaven: Half a World Away, by Kaethel :) let's see if we do any better on the excerpts E6: Universal Union, Book 2, by Jenni Debbage :) E7: Arrgh, I know I've read it but I can't recall details... Anne's got it! Strangers, by Missy Gallant E9: Superiority, by Nicole Wolke (ha, I got it! ) Okay, how'd we do? :) Great quiz once again, Hazel! -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:59:03 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Adam Labotka Subject: Re: Kerth Quiz #3: ELSEWORLDS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From Cindy, Dia and Adam together in KC ;) S P O I L E R S P A C E Quote 1 In The Beginning by Shiela Harper Quote 2 Lost and Found by Jeff Brogden Quote 3 Tryst by Pam Jernigan Quote 4 Learning Curves by Chris Carr Quite 5 Fugitive by Mobile Richard Quote 6 Universal Union by Jenni Debbage (Book two from the excerpt) Quote 7 Strangers by Missy Gallant Quote 8 Between Floors 7 and 8 by Jessi Mounts Quote 9 Superority by CKGroupie (Nicole Wolke) Quote 10 Near Wild Heaven: Half a World Away by Kaethel (Helene Varlate) Boy this is so much easier with others ;) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:08:06 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Near Wild Heaven MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this fic posted anywhere besides Zoom's Boards? Kate ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:13:04 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: Near Wild Heaven MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Never mind ;).....found it. I just needed to do a bit more work on my own......that Kerth Site is pretty handy. Kate ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:35:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Melena Subject: Well said, Kathy :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I mean, sure, authors spend hours, weeks or months of their free time writing a story that gives people pleasure, but to actually expect a reader to take an extra ten seconds to *cut and paste* an address into their email program?? LOL, Kathy! I think most of us can determine that this was written tongue-in-cheek. Unfortunately prompting is often necessary. For example, Kathy, I *still* owe you feedback for 'When Friends Become Lovers' (because last time I only sent feedback to Demi, and Kathy got jealous ;) ), so sometime *soon* I'll reread it.... but not until after my Chinese test. Must study. :( -Lena _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:12:18 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Near Wild Heaven In-Reply-To: <53.fdab63.2793a8a0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Never mind ;).....found it. I just needed to do a bit more work on my >own......that Kerth Site is pretty handy. >Kate You just made my day by saying so, Kate! It's great to hear that the Kerth site is actually being used and helping ppl. :) Back to work, Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:00:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Well said, Kathy :) On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:35:12 -0500, Jill Melena wrote: >LOL, Kathy! I think most of us can determine that >this was written tongue-in-cheek. Unfortunately >prompting is often necessary. For example, Kathy, I >*still* owe you feedback for 'When Friends Become >Lovers' (because last time I only sent feedback to >Demi, and Kathy got jealous ;) ), so sometime *soon* >I'll reread it.... but not until after my Chinese >test. I got jealous? I don't remember discussing it before, but if you say so. As for owing feedback, make no mistake, I am not innocent. I still owe Jeff Brogdan feedback on his AMAZING story "Lost and Found". But it's *my* fault that I haven't written to him since reading the story over my Christmas vacation. I take complete responsibility, and I won't use there being no link at the bottom of the story as an excuse. It's all me being lame for the last two weeks. I mean, come on; let's think about this objectively for a moment ... if someone won't spend the 2 seconds it takes to scroll to the top of the page to cut and paste the email address, are they really going to cut and paste it from the bottom of the file? *That's* going to make all the difference? We all know what we're supposed to do -- we're supposed to send feedback, and most of us *intend* to send feedback. The reasons we have for not doing it have nothing to do with it not being convenient enough -- it's not like we're hiding email addresses here; a few seconds to cut and paste is not a deal breaker. It simply has to do with our own laziness or procrastination. And I speak for myself here, believe me -- I am in no way a perfect feedback giver. I have a million good excuses, but they are still all excuses. I just think we should be honest and admit it. Do I think putting an email address at the end of a story file is a good idea? You bet -- I've always done that with my own work, going back five years. I always end with a plea for feedback. (And let me say, I've always been very pleased with the amount of feedback I've received -- I feel I've been treated extremely well by the readers of my stories, and I greatly appreciate that. I am not one of the authors refered to who has stopped writing due to a lack of feedback.) So I definitely encourage all authors to include their email addresses on the end of the story, as several people have suggested. It's an excellent reminder. But is it the Archive's responsibility to do this for authors? Where does personal responsibility come in? Where is the author's responsibility to encourage their own feedback? To write their own author's notes? Where is the reader's responsibility to take a few minutes out of their own day to respond to a story that touched them? Recently the Archive added a note to the front page reminding readers to send feedback to the authors. We did it in response to a relatively new reader who had expressed surprise -- in response to a thread either here or the MB, can't recall -- that authors really wanted feedback. She had always figured she would just be bothering them with her compliments. When it was pointed out to her that many, if not most, authors include a plea for feedback in their author's notes, her response was basically, "well, yeah, but I didn't think they really *meant* it!" What could I possibly respond to that? The bottom line is we can encourage all we want, but when it comes right down to it, we readers already know what we are supposed to do. We just aren't doing it. Kathy