From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG0012C" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:38:31 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can never remember how many years Martha and Jonathan were married during the course of the show. Help? Also, what mention was there, if any, of Martha's mom or other relatives? Was Martha or Jonathan's ages ever mentioned in the show? If not, any guesses as to their age? Thanks, Irene ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:18:45 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Irene: There are 3 mentions in the show as to how long they have been married. When Jonathan thought Martha was having an affair, Clark tells Lois his parents have been married almost 30 years. In ATAI, Martha and Jonathan are in Metropolis celebrating their 35th wedding anniversary. And in STP, Martha tells Lois that after almost 40 years of marriage, she can spot a fight coming a mile away. I guess the answer to your question is choose a time frame and take your pick. :)Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene D." To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 7:38 PM Subject: Questions for fanfic > I can never remember how many years Martha and > Jonathan were married during the course of the show. > Help? > > Also, what mention was there, if any, of Martha's mom > or other relatives? > > Was Martha or Jonathan's ages ever mentioned in the > show? If not, any guesses as to their age? > > Thanks, > Irene > > ===== > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:12:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic You asked about reference to other memebers of Martha or Jonathan's family. In "Requiem for a Superhero" Clark made reference to an uncle when he and Lois were breaking into her father's office. He slid the bookshelves open to reveal the hidden room and Lois asked how he knew about that. He said something to the effect that his Uncle Ian had a setup like it in his den. I could be mistaken about the name, but it sounded like Ian to me. Hope this helps....... Marilyn AKA Supermom ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:14:54 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/2000 11:12:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, no1supermom@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << He said something to the effect that his Uncle Ian had a setup like it in his den. >> I always sort of wondered if he'd made that one up on the spur of the moment . Then there was an aunt who'd been ill that was Tez's excuse for Martha being in Clark's apartment in Metropolis. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:05:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Then there was an aunt who'd been ill that was Tez's excuse for Martha being > in Clark's apartment in Metropolis. That was Aunt Opal; I used her in Tryst and I've seen her make appearances in other fic too, I think. But very little is known about her -- she might have been Martha's sister, Jonathan's sister, or any number of other possibilities. And she'd supposedly broken her hip, although that might have been Tez's innovation, as a cover story, I can't remember. -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:25:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you, everyone, for your answers. That's a big help. Okay, would it make sense that Martha and Jonathan were married in about 1960 and that therefore Martha and Jonathan were both born in apr. 1935? Thanks, Irene --- Pam Jernigan wrote: > > Then there was an aunt who'd been ill that was > Tez's excuse for Martha being > > in Clark's apartment in Metropolis. > > That was Aunt Opal; I used her in Tryst and I've > seen her make > appearances in other fic too, I think. But very > little is known about > her -- she might have been Martha's sister, > Jonathan's sister, or any > number of other possibilities. And she'd supposedly > broken her hip, > although that might have been Tez's innovation, as a > cover story, I > can't remember. > -- > > Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net > http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam > http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ > > "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the > very first VeggieTales success video! Are you > ready to make millions of dollars in real estate > with no money down? I know I am!" > --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:44:46 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That means that they got married at around 25 years of age... That could work for that '60s. Sure. Go for it. James --- "Irene D." wrote: > Thank you, everyone, for your answers. That's > a big > help. > > Okay, would it make sense that Martha and > Jonathan > were married in about 1960 and that therefore > Martha > and Jonathan were both born in apr. 1935? > > Thanks, > Irene > > --- Pam Jernigan > wrote: > > > Then there was an aunt who'd been ill that > was > > Tez's excuse for Martha being > > > in Clark's apartment in Metropolis. > > > > That was Aunt Opal; I used her in Tryst and > I've > > seen her make > > appearances in other fic too, I think. But > very > > little is known about > > her -- she might have been Martha's sister, > > Jonathan's sister, or any > > number of other possibilities. And she'd > supposedly > > broken her hip, > > although that might have been Tez's > innovation, as a > > cover story, I > > can't remember. > > -- > > > > Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / > jernigan@bellsouth.net > > http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam > > http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ > > > > "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to > the > > very first VeggieTales success video! Are > you > > ready to make millions of dollars in real > estate > > with no money down? I know I am!" > > --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video > > > ===== > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions > of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ===== World's Wisdom (a bumper sticker): He who dies with the most toys wins. God's Wisdom (Luke 12:15b): Be careful and guard against all kinds of greed. Life is not measured by how much one owns. NCV WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:31:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, that birth year is pretty close to my own and the marriage year is dead on, but my husband and I married several years later than most in our generation. I think it more likely they were born in the forties. Farm kids, especially ones who stayed in the rural areas, married much earlier. We were town raised in different parts of the U.S. and our destinies demanded that we search for each other. Hmmm! I think I've been watching too many old L&C tapes. :) Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene D." To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 11:25 AM Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic > Thank you, everyone, for your answers. That's a big > help. > > Okay, would it make sense that Martha and Jonathan > were married in about 1960 and that therefore Martha > and Jonathan were both born in apr. 1935? > > Thanks, > Irene > > --- Pam Jernigan wrote: > > > Then there was an aunt who'd been ill that was > > Tez's excuse for Martha being > > > in Clark's apartment in Metropolis. > > > > That was Aunt Opal; I used her in Tryst and I've > > seen her make > > appearances in other fic too, I think. But very > > little is known about > > her -- she might have been Martha's sister, > > Jonathan's sister, or any > > number of other possibilities. And she'd supposedly > > broken her hip, > > although that might have been Tez's innovation, as a > > cover story, I > > can't remember. > > -- > > > > Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net > > http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam > > http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ > > > > "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the > > very first VeggieTales success video! Are you > > ready to make millions of dollars in real estate > > with no money down? I know I am!" > > --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video > > > ===== > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:11:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: lcfic Subject: Message Board Index Update through Decemeber 16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi FoLCs! Lots to check out this week at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/7378/lnc.html New part(s) posted: EXODUS: THANATOS FAUX PAS: WENDY RICHARDS LONG, STRANGE TRIP: THIRTYSOMETHING NEW BEGINNING: PINTOFOLC STRANGERS II: RAGGIEMOM (AKA MISSY GALLANT) Completed stories this week: HEARTS AND DIAMONDS: SHAYNE TERRY HIDING IN THE SHADOWS: IRENE DUTCHAK New stories this week: NEAR WILD HEAVEN: HELENE VARLET PURITY: YVONNE CONNELL UNTITLED (PU BRAND NEW AUTHOR, FIRST IDEA) STEPPER Added to the Archive this week: A Christmas Wish 1 and 2 Tank Wilson Love, Loyalty and Luthor: Learning Curves II Chris Carr The Martha Chronicles 3: Metanoia Christy Kubit A Missed Wedding Chiara Prato Mr. Wells Drops In Cookie Stocking Stuffer Tank Wilson Enjoy! Dawn & the Index Crew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:07:54 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/00 1:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: > she'd supposedly broken her hip, > although that might have been Tez's innovation, as a cover story, I > can't remember. > I think it must have been Tez's innovation, because as I recall, Clark then asked something about her being in the hospital for a gall bladder operation. Tez/Martha then quickly replied that she had fallen in the hospital and the double whammy was why she was there to help out. As for Jonathan and Martha's ages. I agree with Jude. I think they would have been born in the 40's, at least Martha would have. Remember when Jonathan is talking to Clark in WHALTTA? He tells Clark to be patient. He then tells Clark that Martha had turned him down several times at first. "She was young and scared." I can't imagine anyone of that generation considering 25 to be all that young for deciding to get married. I would be inclined to think that Jonathan was probably born around 1935 and that Martha was born around 1940. She always seemed several years younger. That age spread was pretty typical for that time period, too. If Jonathan were any older or younger than that, there is a good chance he would have gone to Korea or Vietnam as well, unless there were deferments for farmers. ( I was young and don't remember if farmers got them. I know that teachers did at first. ) Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 05:43:15 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for all the discussion about ages. I appreciate it. However, how long do you think it would have taken before Jonathan and Martha learned that they couldn't have children? I understood that it used to take a few years at the very least to learn that. Irene --- "Ann E. McBride" wrote: > In a message dated 12/16/00 1:06:43 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: > > > > she'd supposedly broken her hip, > > although that might have been Tez's innovation, as > a cover story, I > > can't remember. > > > I think it must have been Tez's innovation, because > as I recall, Clark then > asked something about her being in the hospital for > a gall bladder operation. > Tez/Martha then quickly replied that she had fallen > in the hospital and the > double whammy was why she was there to help out. > > As for Jonathan and Martha's ages. I agree with > Jude. I think they would > have been born in the 40's, at least Martha would > have. Remember when > Jonathan is talking to Clark in WHALTTA? He tells > Clark to be patient. He > then tells Clark that Martha had turned him down > several times at first. > "She was young and scared." I can't imagine anyone > of that generation > considering 25 to be all that young for deciding to > get married. I would be > inclined to think that Jonathan was probably born > around 1935 and that Martha > was born around 1940. She always seemed several > years younger. That age > spread was pretty typical for that time period, too. > If Jonathan were any > older or younger than that, there is a good chance > he would have gone to > Korea or Vietnam as well, unless there were > deferments for farmers. ( I was > young and don't remember if farmers got them. I > know that teachers did at > first. ) > > Ann ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:05:13 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/00 8:23:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes: > > Thanks for all the discussion about ages. I > appreciate it. However, how long do you think it > would have taken before Jonathan and Martha learned > that they couldn't have children? I understood that > it used to take a few years at the very least to learn > I don't know about back in the 60's; but in the early 80's, doctors typically told you to try to conceive for a year before they were willing to do anything to find out why you hadn't. You also have to remember that in 1960 birth control was not all that prevalent or effective. As I recall, the main methods were fairly prone to failure. Birth control pills weren't readily available until the late 60's. I think many people just didn't worry about contraception if they were marrried. I would imagine that Martha and Jonathan would have been trying to have a baby for a number of years before they found Clark in Shuster's field. So if they got married in 1960, by 1966 they would have been pretty sure that they couldn't have kids. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:21:50 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Superman Portrayals Metropolis - DC Universe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/1640/SPmetropolisDC.html > > This site has a lot of material, I've just begun looking. The URL is to a > directory of the city of Metropolis (at the bottom is a button to get you to > the home page). It info from the comics but I don't think it's the new > Brainaic metamorphacized [made up word] version. It might provide writers with some > ideas :) > Just getting around to actually checking this out. Debby, thank you for this - what a gem of a site. Wish I'd had it bookmarked when I was writing Caped Fear! Would have made for much less thinking time all round. ;) Looking forward to incorporating some of that local colour in future stories though. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:07:31 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: More questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for all your help re: Martha and Jonathan's ages and when they were married. I think I have that figured out in my head. Now, however, I have more questions. (Tired of me yet?) First, how the heck do I do research on a specific year? I am interested in finding out the economic climate of a specific region and details like fashions. I have visited the History channel website which has been great - giving details about world news, etc., but it's the local stuff that I can't seem to locate. Thanks, Irene the research-challenged FoLC ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:08:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By the 1966 when Clark was 'born', medical science was able to determine infertility relatively quickly. If Jonathan and Martha had been married in 1960, they would have known by 1966, especially if they had been hoping for an early baby. Reproduction was a big topic then with the recent introduction of ' the pill'. :) Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene D." To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 5:43 AM Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic > Thanks for all the discussion about ages. I > appreciate it. However, how long do you think it > would have taken before Jonathan and Martha learned > that they couldn't have children? I understood that > it used to take a few years at the very least to learn > that. > > Irene > > --- "Ann E. McBride" wrote: > > In a message dated 12/16/00 1:06:43 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: > > > > > > > she'd supposedly broken her hip, > > > although that might have been Tez's innovation, as > > a cover story, I > > > can't remember. > > > > > I think it must have been Tez's innovation, because > > as I recall, Clark then > > asked something about her being in the hospital for > > a gall bladder operation. > > Tez/Martha then quickly replied that she had fallen > > in the hospital and the > > double whammy was why she was there to help out. > > > > As for Jonathan and Martha's ages. I agree with > > Jude. I think they would > > have been born in the 40's, at least Martha would > > have. Remember when > > Jonathan is talking to Clark in WHALTTA? He tells > > Clark to be patient. He > > then tells Clark that Martha had turned him down > > several times at first. > > "She was young and scared." I can't imagine anyone > > of that generation > > considering 25 to be all that young for deciding to > > get married. I would be > > inclined to think that Jonathan was probably born > > around 1935 and that Martha > > was born around 1940. She always seemed several > > years younger. That age > > spread was pretty typical for that time period, too. > > If Jonathan were any > > older or younger than that, there is a good chance > > he would have gone to > > Korea or Vietnam as well, unless there were > > deferments for farmers. ( I was > > young and don't remember if farmers got them. I > > know that teachers did at > > first. ) > > > > Ann > > > ===== > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:02:07 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: btinternetmail Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Irene Your wrote Thanks for all the discussion about ages. I > appreciate it. However, how long do you think it > would have taken before Jonathan and Martha learned > that they couldn't have children? I understood that > it used to take a few years at the very least to learn > that. If we are talking about back in the 60's, when birth control wasn't as widely used as maybe fifteen years later, then it would have probably taken Martha and Jonathan at least seven or eight years to realise that they probably couldn't have children. Also, doctors were reluctant to perform tests on couples back then as well, particularly in rural areas. The reason I say this is because I was a teenager during the 60's and some very good friends of my parents were trying and trying to have a baby. They went to a number of doctors who told them the same thing and that is if they were meant to have children they would but that if they had been trying for ten years (which they had) then it was a safe bet that they would never have any children. I hope this helps. Eileen (PS Our friends eventually were able to have children because a much more sympathetic doctor doctor performed a tiny bit of surgery that cured the problem) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:56:44 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: More questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/2000 1:07:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes: << First, how the heck do I do research on a specific year? I am interested in finding out the economic climate of a specific region and details like fashions. I have visited the History channel website which has been great - giving details about world news, etc., but it's the local stuff that I can't seem to locate. >> how about a local historical society? Oh wait, I guess you won't really find one for Smallville, Kansas... :P --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:12:26 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: More questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/17/00 1:07:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes: > First, how the heck do I do research on a specific > year? I am interested in finding out the economic > climate of a specific region and details like > fashions. I have visited the History channel website > which has been great - giving details about world > news, etc., but it's the local stuff that I can't seem > Why not try looking up a local newspaper for the area? Try the archives on the web. As for historical and economic facts, try an Almanac. Of course, there is always www.ask.com for specific questions. hope some of this works Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:00:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: Superman Portrayals Metropolis - DC Universe In-Reply-To: <003401c06845$75e8d840$897f1f3e@land> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:21 PM 12/17/2000 +0000, you wrote: >> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/1640/SPmetropolisDC.html >> >> This site has a lot of material, I've just begun looking. The URL is to a >> directory of the city of Metropolis (at the bottom is a button to get you >to >> the home page). It info from the comics but I don't think it's the new >> Brainaic metamorphacized [made up word] version. It might provide writers >with some >> ideas :) >> >Just getting around to actually checking this out. Debby, thank you for >this - what a gem of a site. Wish I'd had it bookmarked when I was writing >Caped Fear! Would have made for much less thinking time all round. ;) >Looking forward to incorporating some of that local colour in future stories >though. > >LabRat :) While the new, futuristic (thanks to Brainac 13) Metropolis is interesting and the comic dedicated to exploring it was well drawn (not Alex Ross but okay), someone on a Superman list I'm on pointed out that the new city is less... familiar somehow. We like to think that we could go to Metropolis and see Superman, but now there's no such city--in the comics, anyhow. We can write it any way we want to. Debby huitziln@cais.net suddenly very busy collecting comics... I can strongly recommend everyone invest in the large size Shazam--Power of Hope Wowser! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:00:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: More questions for fanfic Around here, there are birthday cards that are actually little booklets about the year in which you were born. They give the average incomes and the costs of different things (like cars, houses, a loaf of bread). They cover a bit about fashion and what was popular on television (if it had been invented when you were born!), at the movies, in music, in literature, etc. Perhaps you can ask around a local card store and see if they have anything like that. Marilyn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:18:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dennis Arendt Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My sister-in-law went through this and it took them 8 months before the doctor started running test. So total about 10 months for her. It could depend on how up-to-date your doctor is. Brenda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OVER WHAT HILL?! WHERE? WHEN? I don't remember any hill. ____________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene D. To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 5:43 AM Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic > Thanks for all the discussion about ages. I > appreciate it. However, how long do you think it > would have taken before Jonathan and Martha learned > that they couldn't have children? I understood that > it used to take a few years at the very least to learn > that. > > Irene > > --- "Ann E. McBride" wrote: > > In a message dated 12/16/00 1:06:43 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: > > > > > > > she'd supposedly broken her hip, > > > although that might have been Tez's innovation, as > > a cover story, I > > > can't remember. > > > > > I think it must have been Tez's innovation, because > > as I recall, Clark then > > asked something about her being in the hospital for > > a gall bladder operation. > > Tez/Martha then quickly replied that she had fallen > > in the hospital and the > > double whammy was why she was there to help out. > > > > As for Jonathan and Martha's ages. I agree with > > Jude. I think they would > > have been born in the 40's, at least Martha would > > have. Remember when > > Jonathan is talking to Clark in WHALTTA? He tells > > Clark to be patient. He > > then tells Clark that Martha had turned him down > > several times at first. > > "She was young and scared." I can't imagine anyone > > of that generation > > considering 25 to be all that young for deciding to > > get married. I would be > > inclined to think that Jonathan was probably born > > around 1935 and that Martha > > was born around 1940. She always seemed several > > years younger. That age > > spread was pretty typical for that time period, too. > > If Jonathan were any > > older or younger than that, there is a good chance > > he would have gone to > > Korea or Vietnam as well, unless there were > > deferments for farmers. ( I was > > young and don't remember if farmers got them. I > > know that teachers did at > > first. ) > > > > Ann > > > ===== > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:00:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: More questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow! I've been totally overwhelmed (in a great way!) by offers - both public and private - to help. I've been given a ton of websites and books to check and I just want to say a huge thank you to everyone. It's not that I'm lazy about doing research; I just hadn't a clue as to how to get started. Now I do. So, thanks everyone! Your help is much appreciated. I just love this list! FoLCs are definitely the nicest group of people I know! Irene ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:33:07 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: annesplace.net Comments: To: lcnfanfic@egroups.com, afolcslife@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an announcement to let everyone know that annesplace.net is experiencing some technical problems. At first I thought the problem would straighten itself out, but it seems that it's not going to happen ... annesplace.net is now totally inaccessible. Champion Host, the hosting company who hosts the new web site, is having some major problems. I don't know to what extent as I cannot reach them at this time. I have for the time being reinstated the original site, however none of the new updates, including the fiction that was uploaded Friday, are available. I am so sorry that this has happened. To be honest, I don't know what's going to happen with the new site (this has not been an isolated incident) and I have one week left until I must make a decision whether or not to submit to Yahoo's demands or not. I will keep you posted on any news as I receive it. Should annesplace.net remain unavailable, there is the possibility of the Nfic Archive becoming temporarily unavailable while searching for a new web hosting company. Right now, I have 2 sites running concurrently, I cannot take on another. Here is the original URL: http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm For the nfic, please use the last password before the change was made to the new site. Again, I apologise for any inconvenience this may cause. Anne ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:42:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Melena Subject: Re: annesplace.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > At first I thought the problem would straighten > itself out, but it seems that > it's not going to happen ... annesplace.net is now > totally inaccessible. Okay, maybe it's just me, but I'm not having any problems accessing the new site. Has the problem sorted itself out or is my computer just lucky? -Lena _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:33:25 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Fanfic recommendation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I confess that it's almost amusing to see the overwhelming number of stories being posted on the archive right now. It looks like a *lot* of us want to make sure our stories are in the running for the Kerths in March. :) Be warned, the overflow is likely to dry up rather rapidly when we hit January! (And an extra cheer to Kathy and the archive crew, who do their best to keep the stories flowing even during "drier" times.) Be that as it may, I had the chance to sit down last night and read a story that was uploaded this week. It's written by a fanfic favorite who writes only rarely these days: Jeff Brogden. His "Lost and Found" is an enchanting Elseworlds, and I very heartily recommend it. It's long, but well worth it. This is a "what-if?" that I've never seen addressed before: what if Clark stayed on the farm instead of coming to Metropolis? Jeff posted this story on Zoom's mbs, but I didn't have the chance to read it then. I'm glad I've had the chance to read it now, and the rest of you should go and read it too! Hazel _______ "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:50:07 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hazel wrote: > Be that as it may, I had the chance to sit down last night and read a story > that was uploaded this week. It's written by a fanfic favorite who writes > only rarely these days: Jeff Brogden. His "Lost and Found" is an enchanting > Elseworlds, and I very heartily recommend it. It's long, but well worth it. > This is a "what-if?" that I've never seen addressed before: what if Clark > stayed on the farm instead of coming to Metropolis? Jeff posted this story > on Zoom's mbs, but I didn't have the chance to read it then. I'm glad I've > had the chance to read it now, and the rest of you should go and read it too! > I heartily second that recommendation. I meant to just dl this one with the rest while I was chatting on irc on Sunday - but I quickly found myself reading it instead. And thoroughly enjoyed it. It's warm and cosy, almost old world, Smallville atmosphere reminded me strongly of Jeff's A Kansas Fourth. Or - for the nficcers among us ;) - The Gorn's One and Only. Just what you want for this time of year...settle yourself down in front of the log fire, break out the mug of chocolate and marshmallows and wallow... I'd also like to recommend Shayne's Moments - a beautifully lyrical piece of Clark introspection. And Phil's The Spirit of... and Tank's Tis the Sidewalk Season are also guaranteed to put you in the holiday mood and believe that all is right with the world. ;) All in all a bumper crop of Christmas cheer this week - delightful. LabRat :) (who notes that in recent years she has foregone her traditional re-read of The Starlight Barking and other childhood favourites and relied on waffy LNC fic for her Christmas fix. ;) ) > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:28:24 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Fw: Fanfic recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fwding for Irene :) LabRat :) > > --- LabRat wrote: > > Hazel wrote: > > > > > Be that as it may, I had the chance to sit down > > last night and read a > > story > > > that was uploaded this week. It's written by a > > fanfic favorite who writes > > > only rarely these days: Jeff Brogden. His "Lost > > and Found" is an > > enchanting > > > Elseworlds, and I very heartily recommend it. It's > > long, but well worth > > it. > > > This is a "what-if?" that I've never seen > > addressed before: what if Clark > > > stayed on the farm instead of coming to > > Metropolis? Jeff posted this story > > > on Zoom's mbs, but I didn't have the chance to > > read it then. I'm glad I've > > > had the chance to read it now, and the rest of you > > should go and read it > > too! > > > > > I heartily second that recommendation. I meant to > > just dl this one with the > > rest while I was chatting on irc on Sunday - but I > > quickly found myself > > reading it instead. And thoroughly enjoyed it. It's > > warm and cosy, almost > > old world, Smallville atmosphere reminded me > > strongly of Jeff's A Kansas > > Fourth. Or - for the nficcers among us ;) - The > > Gorn's One and Only. Just > > what you want for this time of year...settle > > yourself down in front of the > > log fire, break out the mug of chocolate and > > marshmallows and wallow... > > > > I'd also like to recommend Shayne's Moments - a > > beautifully lyrical piece of > > Clark introspection. > > > > And Phil's The Spirit of... and Tank's Tis the > > Sidewalk Season are also > > guaranteed to put you in the holiday mood and > > believe that all is right with > > the world. ;) > > > > All in all a bumper crop of Christmas cheer this > > week - delightful. > > > > LabRat :) (who notes that in recent years she has > > foregone her traditional > > re-read of The Starlight Barking and other childhood > > favourites and relied > > on waffy LNC fic for her Christmas fix. ;) ) > > > > > And, if you want to read more that have nothing to do > with Christmas, make a point of reading Hazel's 'A > Certain Point of View.' It's absolutely brilliantly > done. > > Irene > > > ===== > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:05:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: annesplace.net I've just managed to get into annesplace.net, though not without a great deal of difficulty. Anne, your counter is now showing 44, which is an improvement on last night, but I still can't get any questions on the fanfic quiz. You must be tearing your hair out! I hope you manage to get through to your web hosts and forcing them to take action. Good luck! Wendy ---------- Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:17:11 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation In-Reply-To: <004601c069bf$9097a060$897f1f3e@land> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Irene wrote: > And, if you want to read more that have nothing to do > with Christmas, make a point of reading Hazel's 'A > Certain Point of View.' It's absolutely brilliantly > done. Thanks, Irene. I appreciate the recommendation. :) Hazel _______ "Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:25:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation I'd like to second Irene's recommendation of Hazel's Certain Point of View. This is a very unusual story, and Hazel has performed a remarkable feat in the writing of it. She's taken a character whom most FoLCs love to hate, judging by the character's portrayal in a lot of fanfic, and written a story from that character's point of view. While not changing the essentials of that person's character and motivations at all, Hazel manages to make us understand and feel sorry for her. Read it! It's definitely worth a Kerth nomination. Wendy ---------- Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:23:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: annesplace.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not having any trouble getting in. Nan Annette Ciotola wrote: > This is an announcement to let everyone know that annesplace.net is > experiencing some technical problems. > > At first I thought the problem would straighten itself out, but it seems that > it's not going to happen ... annesplace.net is now totally inaccessible. > > Champion Host, the hosting company who hosts the new web site, is having some > major problems. I don't know to what extent as I cannot reach them at this > time. > > I have for the time being reinstated the original site, however none of the > new updates, including the fiction that was uploaded Friday, are available. I > am so sorry that this has happened. > > To be honest, I don't know what's going to happen with the new site (this has > not been an isolated incident) and I have one week left until I must make a > decision whether or not to submit to Yahoo's demands or not. > > I will keep you posted on any news as I receive it. Should annesplace.net > remain unavailable, there is the possibility of the Nfic Archive becoming > temporarily unavailable while searching for a new web hosting company. Right > now, I have 2 sites running concurrently, I cannot take on another. > > Here is the original URL: > > http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm > > For the nfic, please use the last password before the change was made to the > new site. > > Again, I apologise for any inconvenience this may cause. > > Anne ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:45:55 -0600 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation Comments: To: LabRat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree and wholeheartedly recommend Jeff Brogden's "Lost and Found" and also Nan's "Home 3 - Memories". merry LabRat wrote: > Hazel wrote: > > > Be that as it may, I had the chance to sit down last night and read a > story > > that was uploaded this week. It's written by a fanfic favorite who writes > > only rarely these days: Jeff Brogden. His "Lost and Found" is an > enchanting > > Elseworlds, and I very heartily recommend it. It's long, but well worth > it. > > This is a "what-if?" that I've never seen addressed before: what if Clark > > stayed on the farm instead of coming to Metropolis? Jeff posted this story > > on Zoom's mbs, but I didn't have the chance to read it then. I'm glad I've > > had the chance to read it now, and the rest of you should go and read it > too! > > > I heartily second that recommendation. I meant to just dl this one with the > rest while I was chatting on irc on Sunday - but I quickly found myself > reading it instead. And thoroughly enjoyed it. It's warm and cosy, almost > old world, Smallville atmosphere reminded me strongly of Jeff's A Kansas > Fourth. Or - for the nficcers among us ;) - The Gorn's One and Only. Just > what you want for this time of year...settle yourself down in front of the > log fire, break out the mug of chocolate and marshmallows and wallow... > > I'd also like to recommend Shayne's Moments - a beautifully lyrical piece of > Clark introspection. > > And Phil's The Spirit of... and Tank's Tis the Sidewalk Season are also > guaranteed to put you in the holiday mood and believe that all is right with > the world. ;) > > All in all a bumper crop of Christmas cheer this week - delightful. > > LabRat :) (who notes that in recent years she has foregone her traditional > re-read of The Starlight Barking and other childhood favourites and relied > on waffy LNC fic for her Christmas fix. ;) ) > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:05:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes I'm doing another of those silly trivia quizzes again and despite hours of internet research, I'm stuck. I'm probably just asking search questions from an American perspective and that's why I can't find the answers! So, I was wondering if I could pick your brain? I have it down to just a couple of questions now and hope maybe some of you might be able to help. 1. Instead of the American turkey, what do English families traditionally eat for Christmas dinner? Is it goose? 2. What two things might naughty English children find in their stockings? Here we threaten lumps of coal and switches. What have you threatened your children with? :-) 3. Where is the official Christmas tree of London located? And what type of tree is it? 4. What English castle has a Christmas party on display all year long? Thanks in advance for any help. And remember, the next time you have a trivia quiz about Alabama.......I'm right here for you! :-) Marilyn ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:26:02 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Fw: Fanfic recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fwding for Merry ;) LabRat :) > I agree and wholeheartedly recommend Jeff Brogden's "Lost and Found" and also > Nan's "Home 3 - Memories". > merry > > LabRat wrote: > > > Hazel wrote: > > > > > Be that as it may, I had the chance to sit down last night and read a > > story > > > that was uploaded this week. It's written by a fanfic favorite who writes > > > only rarely these days: Jeff Brogden. His "Lost and Found" is an > > enchanting > > > Elseworlds, and I very heartily recommend it. It's long, but well worth > > it. > > > This is a "what-if?" that I've never seen addressed before: what if Clark > > > stayed on the farm instead of coming to Metropolis? Jeff posted this story > > > on Zoom's mbs, but I didn't have the chance to read it then. I'm glad I've > > > had the chance to read it now, and the rest of you should go and read it > > too! > > > > > I heartily second that recommendation. I meant to just dl this one with the > > rest while I was chatting on irc on Sunday - but I quickly found myself > > reading it instead. And thoroughly enjoyed it. It's warm and cosy, almost > > old world, Smallville atmosphere reminded me strongly of Jeff's A Kansas > > Fourth. Or - for the nficcers among us ;) - The Gorn's One and Only. Just > > what you want for this time of year...settle yourself down in front of the > > log fire, break out the mug of chocolate and marshmallows and wallow... > > > > I'd also like to recommend Shayne's Moments - a beautifully lyrical piece of > > Clark introspection. > > > > And Phil's The Spirit of... and Tank's Tis the Sidewalk Season are also > > guaranteed to put you in the holiday mood and believe that all is right with > > the world. ;) > > > > All in all a bumper crop of Christmas cheer this week - delightful. > > > > LabRat :) (who notes that in recent years she has foregone her traditional > > re-read of The Starlight Barking and other childhood favourites and relied > > on waffy LNC fic for her Christmas fix. ;) ) > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:18:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kath Roden Subject: Re: annesplace.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html
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========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:35:01 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: NEW: Dear Santa, Love Jon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys :) This is just a sweet, little Christmas story that I got inspired to write this morning. I hope you like it. :) ______________________ Title: Dear Santa, Love Jon by Erin Klingler erink@ida.net Rated G Feedback: any welcomed, public or private ______________________ Dear Santa, My mom and dad wanted me to write you a letter, telling you what I want for Christmas. So just to be able to tell my mom the truth, that I *did* tell you want I want, here goes. I want one of those scooters that are so hot this year. All my friends are asking for them this year, too, and it would be fun if we could ride our new scooters together. But I know it's not going to do any good to tell you what I want because, the truth of the matter is, I already know that you don't exist. Well, I shouldn't say that. I know you *did* exist. Sort of. I know that Saint Nicholas would ride around town on a donkey and drop bags of gold down the chimneys of the poor people. He was such a wonderful man...a true saint. So when he died in 342, others decided to carry on his giving tradition and reserve the season of Christ's birth for the showing of their love for mankind. And that's how the myth of 'Santa Claus' came about. I used to think you were the absolute greatest, Santa. I used to count down the days until Christmas Eve when you'd come down our chimney while we were asleep, to leave presents underneath the tree for me, my brother Clark jr., and my little sister Laura. I used to do everything I could to stay awake to catch you sliding down our chimney with our presents, and I always worked my butt off in those last few weeks before Christmas to be extra nice to my sister Laura and my brother Clark, in the hopes that it would make up for a year's worth of teasing and quarrelling. But this year, things are different. I know you're not watching me through some magic ball from the North Pole, making sure that I'm being good. I know that I no longer have to impress you to guarantee myself good gifts. I'm growing up, Santa, and I no longer have you up on a pedestal in my mind. That honor is reserved for my dad. You see, Santa, this past year I found out that my dad is Superman. Yes, Superman. The man who flies around the world in a tight suit made of red and blue, instead of your loose one made of red and white. And he doesn't bring gifts to people by sliding down chimneys and depositing them under their Christmas trees. He brings entirely different kinds of gifts to the people of the world. Let me back up a bit. First of all, Dad doesn't know that I know. As far as he knows, in my eyes, he's still the same, normal, everyday--though sometimes a bit too stern and overprotective--dad, not the hero the whole world worships and relies on to keep them safe from harm. I found out about Dad by accident, really. I was up waiting for him one night to get his help with my math assignment, but I'd fallen asleep on the couch in the front room while waiting. I must've been asleep for a while, because I remember waking up to the sounds of our grandfather clock in the front hall chiming twelve. My mom must've thought I was already in bed, or else she would've woken me up and shepherded me upstairs. So anyway, as I was lying on the couch hearing the clock strike twelve, and trying to convince myself to get up to go upstairs to bed, when I heard a sudden 'whoosh' and felt a cold breeze wash over me. I was too startled to do anything but lie there, a little scared, I must confess, as I waited to see what would happen next. In the next moment, I heard my mom's voice call quietly from the kitchen, "Clark, is that you?" Then I heard my dad's voice whisper back, "Yeah, it's me." Lying deathly still on the couch, I heard the sound of my mom coming out of the kitchen, and Dad's footsteps crossing the hardwood floors of the dining room. I wrinkled my nose at the sound of the kissing noises that followed. Then there was a quiet moment, followed by the sound of my mom's low, contented sigh as they were no doubt hugging. Yuck. But then I heard my mom's voice again. "How did it go?" It was quiet again for a moment, and when I finally heard Dad's voice, his voice sounded funny, like he was having a hard time getting the words out. "I put the fire out, but I didn't get to one of the apartment's tenants, an older man, in time. He was pretty badly burned by the time I got to him, and I flew him to the hospital. He's alive, but he's going to have a really tough recovery." "Oh, Clark, I'm so sorry," I heard my mom say, her voice sounding just like it did last week when she hugged me after my basketball game when I'd missed my last-second lay up, causing my team to lose. There was a silence that echoed throughout the house before I heard my dad's voice again. "I know I shouldn't blame myself. But I can't help thinking that if I'd just gotten there sooner...." "You can't blame yourself," my mom insisted. "As fast and as strong as you are, you just can't save everybody from everything." I heard my dad sigh. "I know. But seeing people in pain, and wondering if I could've done anything differently...it just never gets easier. Even after all these years...." At that point, I couldn't help myself. I very quietly used my elbow to push myself up from where I lay, and very, very cautiously, peered up over the back of the couch. My eyes widened when I saw my dad standing there, dressed in the famous red and blue Superman suit, hugging Mom tightly. I was surprised to see a tear running down my dad's cheek. They stopped hugging a few moments later, and I watched my mom smile tenderly at Dad--Superman--and reach up to gently wipe the tear from his cheek. Then she reached for his hand and took a step backwards toward the stairs. "Come on, let's go to bed," she said, sounding very mom- and bossy-like. "You'll feel better after a good night's sleep. And we can call the hospital in the morning, if you want, to see how that man is doing." Dad nodded as he let Mom lead him toward the stairs. "I'd like that." Then, changing the subject, he said, "How'd things go for you? Are the kids all asleep?" Mom nodded and smiled. "Finally." But then, from where I lay, I spotted a look of confusion change her features. "Although, Jon wanted you to help him with his math. He refused to let *me* help him. But I guess he ended up going to bed." "I'll make sure to ask him tomorrow over breakfast if he still needs help," Dad said as I watched them flick off the front hall's light and start up the stairs to their bedroom. What they said after that, I don't know. I could hear the sound of their voices, but I couldn't make out the words--even if I *had* been able to think clearly. I continued to lay on the couch for a long time in the dark, listening to the ticking of the grandfather clock in the hall, and trying to come to terms with what I'd just seen and heard. The dad I thought I knew wasn't all that I thought he was. He's much more. He's the man who cheers me on at my basketball games, helps me with my homework and listens to my gripes about school and friends. He's there for me when I need him, even though he does dash out for strange reasons from time to time--but now I understand why. But he isn't just that man, my dad. He's also the superhero who helps *others* with their problems, using every power in his being to make the world a better place for everybody. He selflessly does what he can to help, to create a world that would be as good as it can be for me, for Clark jr., for Laura, for my mom, for my grandparents, for my friends. And even for those people who he's never met. So I hope you understand why I don't have you up on a pedestal any more, Santa. Because, you see, I have a new hero in my life. And no, it's not Superman. It's my dad. Have a Merry Christmas, Santa, even if I don't believe in you any longer. But now, I have new things to believe in. Your friend, Jon ****************** Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:21:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Dear Santa, Love Jon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sweet story, Erin. Just right for the season: cheery and teary. Thanks for sharing with us. :) Jude ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:03:56 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:25 AM 19/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >I'd like to second Irene's recommendation of Hazel's Certain Point of View. Wow, Wendy, you make me blush... Thank you! :) Hazel ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:24:51 -0000 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1. Instead of the American turkey, what do English families traditionally > eat for Christmas dinner? Is it goose? Erm...turkey. At least, this English-cum-Scottish extended family all do, and so do all of my friends, both English and Scottish. Mum has been known to dabble in duck, but that was just an experiment . > > 2. What two things might naughty English children find in their > stockings? Here we threaten lumps of coal and switches. What have you > threatened your children with? :-) > Haven't got any ;) And I can't remember being threatened with anything unpleasant if I was naughty - sorry! > 3. Where is the official Christmas tree of London located? And what type > of tree is it? Don't know whether it's 'official', but I guess you're talking about the one in Trafalgar Square. It's given to the nation each year by Norway, and I'm guessing, but it's probably a Norway Spruce. I love it, because it's always decorated very simply, just with lots of white lights. > > 4. What English castle has a Christmas party on display all year long? > Not the foggiest notion. How do you display a party, anyway? Sorry, Marilyn! Maybe someone else over here will do better than me. Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:52:21 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Laurie Dunn Subject: Re: annesplace.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not having any trouble either... just went in and read a mmm... nice nfic just to test out the site. It did say that there had been only 1 hit at the site, though, and there had been many more when I was there a few days ago. Good luck, Anne. LaurieD ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:00:34 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kristin Olsen-Molnar Subject: question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. I was just wondering what e-mail address I should contact if I had a question or comment on one of the trivia questions at annesplace.net. thanx. Teri44isme@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:37:07 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/19/00 10:01:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Teri44isme@AOL.COM writes: > I was just wondering what e-mail address I should contact if I had a > question or comment on one of the trivia questions at annesplace.net. thanx. > That would be to me ... amciotola@aol.com Please keep in mind that the site is experiencing some problems. There has been periods of downtime and I cannot upload anything, which mean I cannot change any errors right now. (This is why the counter is constantly at 00001 because it cannot record any new hits.) I'm hoping to have things straightened out soon. Thanks for baring with me Anne :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 04:14:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: John Debbage <106532.433@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I'd also like to say how much I enjoyed Hazel's 'Certain Point of View' a= nd Jeff's ' Lost & Found'. They were two totally original stories and yet very different. Hazel took on a very hard job when she tried to write her story from Lana= Lang's point of view and yet she did it brilliantly. She made a usually disliked character seem understandable and even though I still couldn't agree with Lana's actions I could sympathise with her reasoning; I actual= ly felt sorry for Lana. I'd like to congratulate Hazel too from writing fro= m one character's point of view; I attempted to do that lately and failed miserably. I kept switching to my other characters. Jeff's story was a simple love story . . . well, if anything can be calle= d simple when associated with Lois and Clark. It had a nice feel to it, wa= rm and touching, and I found myself thoroughly wrapped up in their affairs and willing them to find a way to be together. A very nice read for a co= ld and wintery afternoon. Yours Jenni Debbage ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:57:51 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Phillip Atcliffe Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes In-Reply-To: <002b01c06a0a$8231e8a0$35c1883e@91bb00j> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Once upon a time, Marilyn (who, when needed, assumes the heroic identity of SuperMom ), asked: >> 1. Instead of the American turkey, what do English families traditionally eat for Christmas dinner? Is it goose? << And the one and only Yvonne replied: > Erm... turkey. At least, this English-cum-Scottish extended family all do, and so do all of my friends, both English and Scottish. Mum has been known to dabble in duck, but that was just an experiment . < FWIW, once upon a time, _a_ "traditional" English Christmas dinner was goose and beef -- if you could afford it. Chicken was an alternative for the less affluent. These days, though, it's mostly turkey -- but not at our place. We have some form of poultry and a piece of beef; this year, by coincidence (and the fact that we have a new, larger oven), we are having goose, but in the past it's been chicken, duck, pheasant, guinea fowl... whatever flew past, really . >> 2. What two things might naughty English children find in their stockings? Here, we threaten lumps of coal and switches. What have you threatened your children with? :-) << > Haven't got any ;) And I can't remember being threatened with anything unpleasant if I was naughty - sorry! < I'm with Yvonne on this one (the threat bit, 'cause I got kids). The closest I can remember was the implied threat that Father Christmas might not come, or might not be very generous, if you were bad. I suspect Americans take the whole Santa mythos much further than the British or Australians ever bothered to. [Snip Q3, because Yvonne answered it far better than I could] >> 4. What English castle has a Christmas party on display all year long? << > Not the foggiest notion. How do you display a party, anyway? < Ooooh, there's a leading question! Can't help you with the castle question, Marilyn, but there is a bloke who lives locally who became known as "Mr Christmas" because he ate a full Christmas dinner _every day_; he's recently been ordered to stop by his doctor... > Sorry, Marilyn! Maybe someone else over here will do better than me. < Or not... Phil, who's using the "traditional English dinner" in a fic, if I can ever get the darn thing finished...! ------------------------------------------------------------ Gravity is a Downer... So let's go flying! -- so sayeth Phil Atcliffe (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:12:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Kerths 2001 Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry Kathy, meant for this to go to the list to get more exposure incase you are not available this time of year. If I remove "Not Even" from the Archive will that take me out of the running for new author until I resubmit it? James Tull aka mr_d8a@yahoo.com ===== World's Wisdom (a bumper sticker): He who dies with the most toys wins. God's Wisdom (Luke 12:15b): Be careful and guard against all kinds of greed. Life is not measured by how much one owns. NCV WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:32:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes Phil, Marilyn had already asked a number of us UK-based FoLCs privately before posting here. I think you're right, though: whoever set this quiz really has some very strange notions about the UK, or else is judging by some kind of Dickensian past. I suspect, in relation to Christmas dinner, the answer they're looking for is goose; but, while affluent families may well have had goose on Christmas Day a hundred or more years ago, the 'traditional' Christmas dinner these days *is* turkey. With chipolata sausages, apparently, a tradition which certainly did not reach all the way to Ireland! ;) As for the castle which has a round-the-year Christmas party, no-one I know over here has a clue! So it must be a very well-kept secret! Wendy ------------- Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:03:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes Thanks to everyone who helped with my silly quiz. I too am beginning to believe the creator of the questions is hung up on Dickens (quite a few of the other questions dealt with Dickens and his works). So, I'm going to give her a goos for the dinner answer, but add that all my UK friends eat turkey! Just this morning on the radio, I heard an advertisement where Mrs. Claus (does Father Christmas have a wife like Santa Claus does?) was threatening folks with "coal and sticks" if they weren't nice (and I think not being nice was not buying a cellphone from her or some such nonsense). So I think that's what I'm gonna use for that question. Although someone told me about the chocolate orange. Now that sounds wonderful. I may have to search around and see if I can find one of those and put it on my OWN stocking. As for this year round party on display, I'm going to tell her that no one in the UK seems to know about it, so how should a poor American be able to figure it out! I'll keep you posted on the results. I've won a first place prize in the last two I've entered. I got a beanie doll who is dressed as a Beef Eater and a metal die cast model of a double-decker bus. Maybe the prize this time will be one of those chocolate oranges! One can only dream. I had offered to help you if you ever had a Alabama trivia quiz. Well, Dom took me up on that and ask me what grits were! I referred him to www.grits.com. That explains it far better than I can. There's also a link there to some "Bubba" page, which gives you a little insight into some southerners' ideas of humor. Please believe that we are not all rednecks! Thanks again for your help. And have a very Merry Christmas. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:43:52 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/2000 10:20:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, no1supermom@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << Maybe the prize this time will be one of those chocolate oranges! One can only dream. >> Well, I can tell you, these are wonderful! The best ones are actually from Droste in the Netherlands (made in Haarlem). But the ones made in the UK are nearly as good . You can get both in stores here in the U.S. I've seen them. --Laurie the chocoholic (who wonders if the place she used to get orange chocolate flavored ice cream is still there...) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:19:12 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to show my ignorance here. I thought turkeys were native to the United States. Does this mean that residents of the UK import them? or imported turkeys to start the tradition? Personally, I go with ham or roast beef, whichever I'm feeling like cooking. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:36:36 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/2000 1:19:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Aerm1@AOL.COM writes: << I'm going to show my ignorance here. I thought turkeys were native to the United States. Does this mean that residents of the UK import them? or imported turkeys to start the tradition? >> Sure they're native to North America. Ben Franklin wanted the U.S. to adopt turkeys as the national bird. However, those turkeys you buy at the store to eat are domesticated captive bred things that don't resemble wild turkeys any more than Peking ducks (the big fat white ones) ressemble the wild Mallard ducks that they were possibly bred from. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:55:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes Turkeys are bred in farms in the UK and Ireland; it's big business over here in the battery farms. Even the local farm shops kill their turkeys at Christmas and sell them to customers. As for chocolate oranges, I recommend Terry's. They do milk chocolate and dark chocolate varieties, and they taste gorgeous! :) Wendy ---------- Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:00:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001219102826.00a98100@actcom.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Hazel: >I confess that it's almost amusing to see the overwhelming number of >stories being posted on the archive right now. It looks like a *lot* of us >want to make sure our stories are in the running for the Kerths in March. >:) Be warned, the overflow is likely to dry up rather rapidly when we hit >January! (And an extra cheer to Kathy and the archive crew, who do their >best to keep the stories flowing even during "drier" times.) I am guessing you were teasing about wanting to be in the running for Kerths but I didn't jump to the same conclusion as you did:) You see, of my last two stories going up on the archive, the first, which took a long time to write, was merely...ready:) The second was a holiday story (the first ever, but I am delighted to say, not the only L&C Hanukkah story, and Phil, I am halfway through reading yours!) and having it appear in time for the holiday was the goal. I owe a debt of thanks to many for that timeliness, especially to Jen:) I have only been nominated one time and that was for an nfic which didn't win (though I am happy Sheila did ). So Kerths were certainly not the first thing on my mind and perhaps that is true of others. I know for a fact that many FoLC write for the fun of it and not because they expect awards. Just my 2 cents.... However, may I join you in a standing ovation for Kathy and her staff (thank you, Erin) for all the hard work and dedication, all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Can you here me? I'm the one yelling Brava and Bravo from the back) >Be that as it may, I had the chance to sit down last night and read a story >that was uploaded this week. It's written by a fanfic favorite who writes >only rarely these days: Jeff Brogden. His "Lost and Found" is an enchanting >Elseworlds, and I very heartily recommend it. It's long, but well worth it. >This is a "what-if?" that I've never seen addressed before: what if Clark >stayed on the farm instead of coming to Metropolis? Jeff posted this story >on Zoom's mbs, but I didn't have the chance to read it then. I'm glad I've >had the chance to read it now, and the rest of you should go and read it too! > >Hazel > >_______ > >"Lots of little Bigwigs, Hazel! Think of that, and tremble!" Lastly, thank you for mentioning Jeff's story. I'm so behind in my reading that it is a terrible thing but I am looking forward to this one:) Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:04:26 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Hazel Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Carolyn questioned: >> It looks like a *lot* of us >>want to make sure our stories are in the running for the Kerths in March. >>:) > >I am guessing you were teasing about wanting to be in the running for >Kerths but I didn't jump to the same conclusion as you did:) > So Kerths were >certainly not the first thing on my mind and perhaps that is true of >others. I know for a fact that many FoLC write for the fun of it and >not because they expect awards. Just my 2 cents.... Well. If I did offend anyone, I offer my humble apologies. I don't think *any* of us write for awards; but I do think that I'm not the only one who asked Kathy to make sure this story got up before Dec. 31 so it could technically qualify. There's a difference between "qualfication" and "expectation," I think. But again, my apologies if I accidently stepped on someone's toes. Hazel ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:12:48 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/2000 1:55:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << As for chocolate oranges, I recommend Terry's. >> yeah, Terry's. I couldn't think of the brand name. The dark chocolate ones are just chocolate, I think, but the milk chocolate ones are actually orange flavoured. Yum!! (wishing there was a dark chocolate orange flavored one, but even Droste doesn't have those). --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:56:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:12:48 EST, No Name Available wrote: >>>yeah, Terry's. I couldn't think of the brand name. The dark chocolate ones are just chocolate, I think, but the milk chocolate ones are actually orange flavoured. Yum!! (wishing there was a dark chocolate orange flavored one, but even Droste doesn't have those).<<< Nope, Laurie, I can assure you that the Terry's dark chocolate oranges definitely contain orange flavouring. Wendy (who prefers milk chocolate, but then... ;) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:01:21 +1100 Reply-To: "jenerator@ozemail.com.au" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny or Joe Stosser Subject: DC Comics Xmas card? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Came across the following mention in the superheronews egroup, and wonder if anyone knows any more about this? "(DC got a bit antsy over the Lois & Clark last minute Christmas cover by Alex Ross from their X-Mas card, but their legal department politely asked us not to do it again and said that they valued and appreciated our coverage of their books." Jen jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ 11477318 Photos of David (8) and Megan (5) on the Stosser Family HomePage http//www.geocities.com/j_stosser Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:30:26 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hazel wrote: > Well. If I did offend anyone, I offer my humble apologies. I don't think > *any* of us write for awards; but I do think that I'm not the only one who > asked Kathy to make sure this story got up before Dec. 31 so it could > technically qualify. There's a difference between "qualfication" and > "expectation," I think. But again, my apologies if I accidently stepped on > someone's toes. > Well, I can only speak personally, Hazel, but you didn't offend me...I figured you were in teasing mode at the time. ;) I know that getting your fic on the Archive by year end is the way most authors become eligible for the following year's Kerths, but I also know it's not the only criteria and I suspect others do too. So I figure that they try to get their fic in for a variety of reasons, Kerth eligibilty only being one. Personally, I made the run for year end just because I was darned determined I was going to get one fic off my dashed hd by the end of 2000 and Lonesome was the only one in the running. Since it was the only one I ended up writing in the entire year. Eesh. I did debate letting Kathy upload in January, since I know that's a month that traditionally comes up short ;) and then request that Lonesome be considered eligible via the mbs and annesplace once the Kerths rolled around. But in the end I was so bloody minded about having one fic on the Archive this year if nothing else, after a long sabbatical when I wrote nothing and missed out productively on half the year, that I took the chance when I saw it. It had become a matter of personal annoyance by that point. LabRat :) (already promising herself she'll work much harder next year...) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:25:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Kerths 2001 Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi James, hope you won't mind me chiming in -- I'm kind of assuming you don't mind public comment since you posted in public :) JaT wrote: > > Sorry Kathy, meant for this to go to the list to > get more exposure incase you are not available > this time of year. > > If I remove "Not Even" from the Archive will that > take me out of the running for new author until I > resubmit it? > > James Tull aka mr_d8a@yahoo.com I have to say that this request strikes me as awfully calculating. I mean, I understand that people will consider the Kerths when they upload stories, as Hazel mentioned -- either rushing to get them in by the end of the year, or holding them out until January. Not that anyone's necessarily *expecting* awards, and that's certainly not the main reason we write (or so I assume ) but I can see that it would be a factor. Just the other night I was trying to persuade a relatively new author to *not* put anything on the archive this year (she has one ready) so that she'll first be 'published' in 2001, with lots of time to build up a nice body of work, with an eye on that exact same "New Author" category. As it happened, she thought even that would be dishonest :) since she'd written the two stories in 2000. But pulling a story that was uploaded back in February?? Um, I vote against that maneuver. You were a new author this year. Pulling the story won't change that. (If it could, I'd consider it myself -- pull all my stories then declare myself Best New Author next year, when they're all re-loaded ). The Kerths don't have hard-and-fast rules, this being an amateur endeavor and all, and we will allow exceptions in some circumstances, but we do try to stick to established procedures, so everyone knows what to expect. That's the only way it's fair to everyone. It's Kathy's decision -- hers and Erin's. And I'll fully support whatever they decide. But I don't think this is a good idea, at all... (Honestly, James, I didn't expect this kind of behavior from you! You've been paying too much attention to the shenanigans in Florida!) -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:27:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes I was in the grocery store this afternoon on the "milk and bread" quest (they are predicting snow tonight) and what should I find? A Terry's Chocolate Orange! I bought the milk chocolate one since I'm not very fond of dark chocolate. I think I will wrap it up and have Santa leave it for the whole family to share. Thanks for introducing me to this treat. I'm sure it's going to be wonderful. Marilyn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:46:09 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marilyn, I admire your strength of will! Talking of which and going off at a complete tangent we have a series of funny ads over here for Terrys' Choc Orange with Dawn French where she hoards them religiously and refuses to share. The tagline being her telling us "They're not Terrys - they're *mine*!' Know how she feels. ;) LabRat :) (reminded to add something to her Christmas shopping list now... ;) ) > I was in the grocery store this afternoon on the "milk and bread" quest > (they are predicting snow tonight) and what should I find? A Terry's > Chocolate Orange! I bought the milk chocolate one since I'm not very fond > of dark chocolate. I think I will wrap it up and have Santa leave it for > the whole family to share. Thanks for introducing me to this treat. I'm > sure it's going to be wonderful. > > Marilyn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:38:06 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/2000 3:56:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Nope, Laurie, I can assure you that the Terry's dark chocolate oranges definitely contain orange flavouring. >> OOH!! I've never had one of those!! The person who usually gives me one always has the milk chocolate ones (I think he gets them in the airport at Heathrow--or maybe back on this side of the pond). Something new to dream about... --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:53:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20001220220216.00a9bd70@actcom.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Hazel: >Carolyn questioned: > >>>It looks like a *lot* of us >>>want to make sure our stories are in the running for the Kerths in March. >>>:) >> >>I am guessing you were teasing about wanting to be in the running for >>Kerths but I didn't jump to the same conclusion as you did:) > > > >> So Kerths were >>certainly not the first thing on my mind and perhaps that is true of >>others. I know for a fact that many FoLC write for the fun of it and >>not because they expect awards. Just my 2 cents.... > >Well. If I did offend anyone, I offer my humble apologies. I don't think >*any* of us write for awards; but I do think that I'm not the only one who >asked Kathy to make sure this story got up before Dec. 31 so it could >technically qualify. There's a difference between "qualfication" and >"expectation," I think. But again, my apologies if I accidently stepped on >someone's toes. > >Hazel No apologies necessary and I did not mean to give the impression that I was offended. I was not. Perhaps I did not make myself clear:( Anyway, your point about qualification versus expectation is well made:) I was just coming from a different direction:) Thanks! Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:53:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting that the UK would grow turkeys, but then they ranch deer in New Zealand and the venison is delicious. I don't think I could stand another bite of turkey after all the Thanksgiving leftovers. When I was growing up in the southern U.S., our traditional Christmas dinner was ham and sweet potatoes and we ended with what my mother called 'plum, pudding' which was actually made of day old biscuits, small red plums, sugar and as much butter as she could get the mixture to soak up. I've never been able to duplicate it for which my waistline gives thanks. In my own household, I've always done a goose--bagged by my husband when he was still hunting--or more recently a domesticated one. I've always wanted to try one of those chocolate oranges; maybe this is the year. Yummy comestibles and holiday felicitations to you all! :) Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann E. McBride" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 10:19 AM Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes > I'm going to show my ignorance here. I thought turkeys were native to the > United States. Does this mean that residents of the UK import them? or > imported turkeys to start the tradition? > > Personally, I go with ham or roast beef, whichever I'm feeling like cooking. > > Ann ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:41:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes Judith mentioned something her mother called 'plum pudding'. Plum pudding is a traditional Christmas Day pudding in the UK, but it's made rather like a rich fruit cake, though with the addition of various alcoholic compounds - some people use stout, others brandy or whiskey. It's steamed, and then served with brandy butter, cream or custard. Wendy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:04:32 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dom Melaragni Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hope you enjoy the chocolate orange! I've bought mine for Mum's Christmas stocking! Must say that I'm starting to get worried that my sole contribution to FoLCdom is the introduction of UK chocolate to the US! Dom (still preferring Flakes to Chocolate Oranges though) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:13:20 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/2000 7:14:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, dom.mel@BTINTERNET.COM writes: << Must say that I'm starting to get worried that my sole contribution to FoLCdom is the introduction of UK chocolate to the US! Dom (still preferring Flakes to Chocolate Oranges though) >> I'd prefer chocolate oranges and I've known about those for years and years, Dom. The first ones I had were from the Netherlands (Droste) and it wasn't until some years later that I had Terry's. Those are still the only brands I know. On the other hand, you are certainly famous for telling us all about Flakes... :) --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:35:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dennis Arendt Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My hubby hunts turkey every year and we have a couple in the freezer but I buy the farm raised Butterball. I don't like the taste of wild turkey unless we use the smoker and no chance of that with this weather Brenda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OVER WHAT HILL?! WHERE? WHEN? I don't remember any hill. ____________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: No Name Available To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 10:36 AM Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes > In a message dated 12/20/2000 1:19:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Aerm1@AOL.COM > writes: > > << I'm going to show my ignorance here. I thought turkeys were native to the > United States. Does this mean that residents of the UK import them? or > imported turkeys to start the tradition? >> > > Sure they're native to North America. Ben Franklin wanted the U.S. to adopt > turkeys as the national bird. However, those turkeys you buy at the store to > eat are domesticated captive bred things that don't resemble wild turkeys any > more than Peking ducks (the big fat white ones) ressemble the wild Mallard > ducks that they were possibly bred from. > > --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:20:31 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/20/00 6:42:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > . Plum pudding > is a traditional Christmas Day pudding in the UK, but it's made rather like > a rich fruit cake, though with the addition of various alcoholic compounds - > some people use stout, others brandy or whiskey. It's steamed, and then > served with brandy butter, cream or custard. > And the plums in it are really raisins. :) My grandmother who lived in Maryland always had fig pudding at Christmas, which is pretty much the same thing, only made with figs instead. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:56:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:04:32 +0000, Dom Melaragni wrote: >Must say that I'm starting to get worried that my sole contribution to >FoLCdom is the introduction of UK chocolate to the US! > >Dom (still preferring Flakes to Chocolate Oranges though) But, Dom, what a wonderful contribution it is! I'd never heard of a Flake bar until I read about them on this site. In April of 1999, my husband and I were in Lake Havisu, Arizona, current home of London Bridge. There are all sorts of little British-themed shops there and in one of them I spied a Flake bar. Never mind the $2.00 price tag; I was going to have that candy bar come hell or high water. And it was worth every cent of my investment. I only wish I could find those around here. Dom.....never underestimate the power of chocolate! Supermom ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:55:32 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ann wrote: >My grandmother who lived in > Maryland always had fig pudding at Christmas, which is pretty much the same > thing, only made with figs instead. ----Let's see, how does that song go: "I want some figgy pudding, I want some figgy pudding, I want some figgy pudding, And I want it right here. I wish you a merry Christmas, I wish you a merry Christmas, I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy new year!" And so I do for you all. :) Jude ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:33:36 +1100 Reply-To: "jenerator@ozemail.com.au" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny or Joe Stosser Subject: Happy Holiday Season MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, despite the 40oC day today, which have made it a total fireban day, and the thunderstorms and brief blackouts around 4pm this arvo, which caused trees to fall on local railway lines, hence terrific traffic snarls, I'd like to wish everyone who celebrates it a wonderful Hanukah. (Guess we're not going to be attending the "Chanukah in the Park" Menorah lighting with the biggest menorah in the southern hemisphere and fireworks tonight, eh? Not to worry, we'll light our own at home!) May everyone on this list have a wonderful holiday season, and enjoy all the food, whether it's latkes, sufganiot, roast turkey/goose/ham or chocolate oranges from Droste or Terrys). Jen jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ 11477318 Photos of David (8) and Megan (5) on the Stosser Family HomePage http//www.geocities.com/j_stosser Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:58:05 -0600 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: Happy Holiday Season MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone I want to wish everyone the happiest of Holidays and a very Happy New Year. merry ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:38:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Subject: NEW: Christmas Secrets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi :) This is the first time I've ever dared to send something totally new to the list before. I wrote this last night inspired by Erin's recent little story. I don't think this idea has been used before, but I could be wrong. I'm kind of nervous about this, because I was trying to write like a girl around the age of nine would (and it's been eleven years since I was that old). I figured a child of Lois and Clark would be a pretty good writer, however, so I spared you cleverly planned spelling mistakes while still trying to maintain the aura of childhood diaries (I looked up a few of mine for help). Title: Christmas Secrets By: Rachel TenHaaf (rae@usXchange.net) Rated: G Feedback is great. I'd really like to know if it's something I should patch up a little and keep or burn with the yule log :). Dear Diary, It's really late, and mom and dad think I'm sleeping right now, but I'm not. I'm writing this under my covers with my flashlight so MaryEllen won't wake up and tell on me. She does that a lot. I had to write though because I found out a secret tonight! Mom made us go to bed early because we have to go to Gramma and Grampa Kent's really early in the morning. We always open presents there and have dinner, which is good because Gramma Ellen can't cook. Last year she tried, and we had to eat from McDonalds. I got thirsty, though, so I went downstairs to see if I could get some eggnog. It's kind of hard because my dad can hear everything! But, sometimes he's not home at night so I was hoping this was one of them. If he caught me, I'd get it, because I already brushed my teeth. Mom's really into clean teeth. I heard Mom in the living room, but didn't hear dad so I started to go downstairs. I was almost down the stairs, and I could see mom wrapping presents on the floor like she'd been doing all night (so we can take them with us tomorrow, because Santa doesn't come when you're old, I guess). I knew she wasn't paying attention, though, because she was muttering under her breath like she does sometimes so I kept going. I was almost down the stairs when I heard dad's voice. I had to freeze and stay really quiet so he wouldn't hear me. He was in the kitchen, and I heard him ask Mom if she wanted some hot chocolate. I don't think she was paying attention to *him* either because she didn't answer. That's when it happened. Dad came walking into the living room from the kitchen, but he wasn't wearing his usual clothes. I couldn't believe it! I caught Gramma Martha once bringing something red to our house, but she said she'd bought it for Mom to use as a tablecloth if she wanted to. I figured Mom hadn't wanted to. because I never saw it again. But here Dad was wearing it! I couldn't hardly believe my eyes. My dad wasn't just my dad! I couldn't sit still any longer, and I made a noise. Dad heard it, of course, and they saw me. So, here I am back in bed again. I'm not allowed to tell Jon or Mary the secret, because Mom says they're too little. I'm supposed to go back to sleep, but I don't think I'll be able to sleep all night. It's so hard when I've just found out such a big secret! I wish I could tell my friends, but they'd never believe me. My Dad is really Santa Claus! ~~OO~~ The End ~~OO~~ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:49:20 -0000 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Judith mentioned something her mother called 'plum pudding'. Plum pudding > is a traditional Christmas Day pudding in the UK, but it's made rather like > a rich fruit cake, though with the addition of various alcoholic compounds - > some people use stout, others brandy or whiskey. It's steamed, and then > served with brandy butter, cream or custard. ...or rum sauce, in the case of the Connell household - white sauce made with single cream instead of milk, Muscovado sugar (ie the really rich dark brown stuff), and dark rum. Yum!!! Or rather - hic! And personally, nice though chocolate oranges are, I prefer my chunks of chocolate to be unadulterated with foreign flavours and substances . Yvonne (who can't wait to try this year's vintage pudding, made back in October and maturing into black, fruity, alcoholic, splodgy heaven...) (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:21:40 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Re: Kerths 2001 Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Pam Jernigan wrote: >>I have to say that this request strikes me as awfully calculating.<< I have been accused of being a "rules lawyer" at times. >>Not that anyone's necessarily *expecting* awards, and that's certainly not the main reason we write (or so I assume ) but I can see that it would be a factor.<< True. I'm writing because I enjoy it and want to turn out a good story. I really thought I was going to get 7 days of Superman finished before the end of the year. I was really hoping for at least two nominations, (A guy can dream, can't he?) I still may, I have Dec 22 - 31 off with only 3 or 4 days of traveling to do. >>Honestly, James, I didn't expect this kind of behavior from you!<< To be honest it really didn't occur to me that some would take it as dishonest or cheating! >>You've been paying too much attention to the shenanigans in Florida!<< LOL! Even though I am a Registered Democrat, I still voted for Bush! I was never so disappointed in my fellow party members. James ===== World's Wisdom (a bumper sticker): He who dies with the most toys wins. God's Wisdom (Luke 12:15b): Be careful and guard against all kinds of greed. Life is not measured by how much one owns. NCV WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:21:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: NEW: Christmas Secrets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL! Cute story, Rachel And I didn't notice any spelling/grammar errors, cleverly planned or otherwise :) Thanks for posting! -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:45:42 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh mercy, how my mouth is watering at the description of your ripening plum pudding. I always knew my mother's 'plum pudding' was very different from the UK variety, but never knew exactly what yours was like. I will occasionally gear up to make a fruit cake containing many dried fruits plus black molasses, black coffee, dark brown sugar, rum or brandy (sometimes half with one and half with the other) or, rarely, Jack Daniel's Black label sour mash bourbon . Since my recipe makes about 12/1 lb loaves, I don't do this every year, but I love he result when I do. Will have to look up a recipe for UK Plum Pudding and give it a try some time. BTW, went out and bought Terry's chocolate oranges to take to my son's for Christmas sharing. Happy holidays to all! :) Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Connell" To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 10:49 AM Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes > > Judith mentioned something her mother called 'plum pudding'. Plum pudding > > is a traditional Christmas Day pudding in the UK, but it's made rather > like > > a rich fruit cake, though with the addition of various alcoholic > compounds - > > some people use stout, others brandy or whiskey. It's steamed, and then > > served with brandy butter, cream or custard. > > ...or rum sauce, in the case of the Connell household - white sauce made > with single cream instead of milk, Muscovado sugar (ie the really rich dark > brown stuff), and dark rum. Yum!!! Or rather - hic! > > And personally, nice though chocolate oranges are, I prefer my chunks of > chocolate to be unadulterated with foreign flavours and substances . > > Yvonne > (who can't wait to try this year's vintage pudding, made back in October and > maturing into black, fruity, alcoholic, splodgy heaven...) > (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:05:25 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: NEW: Christmas Secrets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, you really had me going! I could have sworn that the secret was that Dad was Superman. Cute vignette. You captured the style of a child extremely well. You should try writing more. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:03:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Subject: Re: NEW: Christmas Secrets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Ann! I appreciate it. I may let a few of those mothballed pieces come to the light one of these days :) Rachel ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann E. McBride To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: Re: NEW: Christmas Secrets > Well, you really had me going! I could have sworn that the secret was that > Dad was Superman. Cute vignette. You captured the style of a child > extremely well. > You should try writing more. > > Ann > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:13:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes Would you believe that one of the questions on my trivia quiz was "What is plum pudding made of?" I had found a recipe on the internet, but I think Yvonne's sounds much...hic...better. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:30:52 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys :) Hazel wrote: > I confess that it's almost amusing to see the overwhelming number of > stories being posted on the archive right now. It looks like a *lot* of us > want to make sure our stories are in the running for the Kerths in March. > :) Be warned, the overflow is likely to dry up rather rapidly when we hit > January! (And an extra cheer to Kathy and the archive crew, who do their > best to keep the stories flowing even during "drier" times.) Actually, I thought of something and I was wondering what was your opinion about it, you all. :) There seems to be a reccurring problem to find stories to upload in january, because most of the writers want their fic to be included to the archive before the end of the year (even though fics are elligible whether they're on the archive or not). But considering we all put a sumbission date on our fanfics when we send them to the archive (this is the archive's rule, after all), wouldn't it solve the problem if elligible stories were those *submitted* in december (whether it's on the archive or Annesplace or the boards or any site) and not necessarily *uploaded* in December? Not only would this allow authors not to rush as much to have their stories completed by the end of november if they want it on the archive, but it would also allow give more uploads to the january drier time, since stories submitted in december would be uploaded then, and the GEs wouldn't have to do as much of a rush job to help authors have their stories ready. Anyway, just a thought :) Helene :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:57:57 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation In-Reply-To: <025001c06b9d$af2d6840$817e9ec2@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helene asked: (btw, Hi Helene! :) >wouldn't it solve the problem if elligible >stories were those *submitted* in december (whether it's on the archive or >Annesplace or the boards or any site) and not necessarily *uploaded* in >December? Not only would this allow authors not to rush as much to have >their stories completed by the end of november if they want it on the >archive, but it would also allow give more uploads to the january drier >time, since stories submitted in december would be uploaded then, and the >GEs wouldn't have to do as much of a rush job to help authors have their >stories ready. > >Anyway, just a thought :) And a nice thought it is. :) But as the poor, overworked Kerths coordinator (along with my equally overworked co-coordinators, Pam and Kathy :)), I think I can answer this question and clear up the any confusion as to why we do the submission dates the way we do. :) Kathy, our very organized Archive Editor in Chief, keeps a spread sheet of all the stories uploaded to the Archive each year, and that's how we know what's there. She emails me that spread sheet at the end of the year, and I tweak the format and such to be able to post it on the Kerths 'Eligible Stories' page of my website for all to peruse. We also have to sort through those stories, looking for any that may not be eligible for whatever reasons (don't make me go into all those grimy details. I'm already getting writer's cramp. ) , or that an author requested that a particular story *not* be eligible. In any case, this takes some time, as you can probably tell. Since Kathy's spreadsheet is listed by UPLOAD DATE, not *submitted* date, that's what we go with. That's the way she needs it for her Editor in Chief records, and it would be a lot of unnecessary work for her to keep *two* spread sheets. And if we altered the eligibility rules to accomodate stories that were submitted *after* Dec. 31, we'd have to be going through a lot of stories to check submitted dates on the fanfic headers to see if they qualified. Maybe it sounds selfish, but I don't need all that extra work. My kids already think my laptop and I are the same entity. So anyway, that's why we do things the way we do. And it's true that one doesn't *have* to have their story on the Archive before Dec. 31 to have it qualify. If it's posted on this fanfic list, or the MBs, or a personal website, all the author needs to do is send me (or Kathy or Pam) a quick, 30 second email to request its eligiblity. I hope this helps clear things up as to why we do things the way we do. :) Feel free to ask if you have any other questions. I'd be happy to answer them. Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:58:37 -0000 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: NEW: Christmas Secrets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL Rachel! Cute story - Lois must have been really desperate to use that as an excuse, though. And it's a minor niggle, since you only give the child's age in your intro, but I would have thought that a nine year-old would have stopped believing in Santa Claus. Don't burn the story, please! Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:14:28 -0000 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: TOTALLY OT: Another of my silly trivia quizzes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Would you believe that one of the questions on my trivia quiz was "What is > plum pudding made of?" I had found a recipe on the internet, but I think > Yvonne's sounds much...hic...better. > Just don't forget the suet, breadcrumbs, and grated carrot ;) Lots of weird things go into Christmas pudding... Yvonne (yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:47:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Kerths 2001 Question On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:21:40 -0800, JaT wrote: >To be honest it really didn't occur to me that >some would take it as dishonest or cheating! I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that was the first thought which sprang to my mind too. It just struck me as unfair manipulation. There is a difference between holding back a story so that it goes up in January rather than November or December, and actually taking down a story which has been uploaded in good faith by the Archive Editor-in-Chief. James, if enough people like your work, you may get nominated. To me, that's what counts; I'd rather feel that I was nominated because people genuinely liked my work enough, and not because I'd deliberately ensured that it appeared at a time when there was less - or less good - competition. Wendy -------------- Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:15:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Kerths 2001 Question I see that a few people have chimed in already. I got your email, James, and had forwarded it to Erin first to make sure she agreed with my position. I was going to reply privately, but then I saw it here, so I'll reply here. I certainly don't think it would be fair that someone could be considered a new author next year just because he/she pulled a story off the Archive this year. I mean, following that logic, I could pull all 10 of my stories, resubmit them in 2001 and duke it out with everyone for "best new author" in March 2002. You will be considered a new author for 2000 because that's when your first story was posted. If you pull it, you simply will have no stories to link to on the eligibility list or ballot. So if you decide to formally request the story be pulled, you, in effect, lose eligibility for both 2000 *and* 2001 -- 2000, because you won't have any stories for anyone to read/vote on, and 2001 because you will no longer be a "new" author. And yes, I have to admit I see this as cheating, as trying to manipulate the Kerth process. One of the reasons I didn't reply sooner, actually, was because I was convinced I must have read the request incorrectly. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:22:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Fanfic recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Helene :) > There seems to be a reccurring problem to find stories > to > upload in january, because most of the writers want their fic to be > included to the archive before the end of the year (even though fics are > elligible whether they're on the archive or not). But considering we all put > a sumbission date on our fanfics when we send them to the archive (this is > the archive's rule, after all), wouldn't it solve the problem if elligible > stories were those *submitted* in december (whether it's on the archive or > Annesplace or the boards or any site) and not necessarily *uploaded* in > December? Well, it's a generous suggestion, but, um, no, it wouldn't solve the problem. For one thing, it would just move the drought to February as everyone would still rush to meet the new deadline. Second, as Erin said, it would actually make things harder for us poor coordinators. We're happy to work hard on the Kerths -- we enjoy helping FOLCs celebrate our great authors, but having set guidelines really helps us out :) They're somewhat arbitrary, true, but we try at least to be consistent. That's how people know what to expect, and how it's fair to everyone. And as for fics being eligible ... well, generally, the archive upload date *is* the key criteria, whether the story's been up elsewhere earlier, or not. Mostly because the archive is our clearinghouse (and because Kathy has that spreadsheet, so we don't have to troll through all the websites out there to find all the fic, which would be a huge chore), and that's where stories get the widest exposure. If an author requests it, we will make exceptions but generally, a story that's not been on the archive will have been read by less people and be less likely to be nominated/voted for. If an author wants a fic uploaded elsewhere to be considered eligible, he/she *must* request it; we're not going to go looking. We just can't. Anyway, that's the system that's worked for us so far :) But we're always willing to listen to suggestions; we've made a number of improvements over the years -- last year's ceremony was so much smoother than the first one it's not even funny -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "Hi, I'm Larry the Cucumber, and welcome to the very first VeggieTales success video! Are you ready to make millions of dollars in real estate with no money down? I know I am!" --Larry, misunderstanding a sing-along video ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:32:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: List Mom/Archive EIC on holiday vacation :) Hi all, Just wanted to let you know that I'm going to be leaving tomorrow morning (Fri, 12/22) for my holiday vacation ... going to Chicago for the Christmas weekend, then to Detroit for the following week. (Jim's family and my family, respectively.) I expect to return about January 2 or so. I will be offline the entire time, not even checking email. So if you have any list problems, please write to Farah , and if you have any Archive problems, please write to Lauren . We do have several stories going up on the Archive in the next two weekends (Dec 24 & 31), and then we have a couple stories for each weekend in January. So it doesn't look like we'll have any breaks in our upload schedule, barring any technical difficulties. I would also like to take this opportunity to say a huge THANK YOU to all my General Editors for this year. I could *never* do this job without them, and they have all my appreciation. It's impossible to tell them enough how much I appreciate what they do. So if you know any of these people, or see them on IRC or on the MBs, please tell them thank you for a job very well done! Jeanne Pare Carol Sarah Murray Julie Gibson Erin Klingler Wendy Richards Karen Ward Dana Cherry LabRat Laurie Phillip Atcliffe Kathy (List Mom, LOISCLA-GENERAL-L, and EIC, L&C Fanfic Archive) _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive: kathybrown91@home.com OR kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:47:37 -0000 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: List Mom/Archive EIC on holiday vacation :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: > So if you know any of these people, or see them on IRC or on the MBs, please > tell them thank you for a job very well done! > > Jeanne Pare > Carol > Sarah Murray > Julie Gibson > Erin Klingler > Wendy Richards > Karen Ward > Dana Cherry > LabRat > Laurie > Phillip Atcliffe > > Aw, shucks, Kathy. I keep telling you - with my backlog of fic to be read taking up most of a zip disk it's the only way I get to read anything these days! And you do a lot of that hard work yourself. ;) Have a happy holiday! LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:42:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: List Mom/Archive EIC on holiday vacation :) On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:32:58 -0500, Kathy Brown >>>I would also like to take this opportunity to say a huge THANK YOU [snip] <<< Kathy, I know all of us - writers, readers, list posters and editors - would like to say an enormous THANK YOU to you too. You devote a huge amount of time and effort to this fandom in so many ways, and most of the time we don't take the time to express our appreciation properly. So, thank you, have a great Christmas, enjoy your break from all of us, and we look forward to seeing you back with us in January! :) Wendy --------- Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:57:29 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Many Thanks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit to Kathy B and all the editors and helpers who make the archive (and list too) such a treasure trove!! We sure appreciate all you do, even though I personally probably have no idea the amount of time and energy involved. Happy Holidays, everyone! Kate ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:54:31 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Liz Berard Subject: Re: Many Thanks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, a big round of applause for them all!!!!! Liz Berard Kate Crane wrote: > > to Kathy B and all the editors and helpers who make the archive (and list > too) such a treasure trove!! We sure appreciate all you do, even though I > personally probably have no idea the amount of time and energy involved. > > Happy Holidays, everyone! > Kate ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:38:36 -0600 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: NEW: Christmas Secrets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cute story Rachael I enjoyed it merry