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From:         Kathy Brown <kathybrown91@HOME.COM>
Subject:      Re: Volunteers Needed!!

Not that we've been so flooded with mail the last few weeks that this has
been a major problem ;) ... but Anne did indicate to email her privately.  I
don't think the rest of the list needs to get the one-liners. :)

>> If you are interested in helping please email me @ AMCiotola@aol.com.

Good luck with the link project, Anne, and moving to your new home.  That
nfic archive is outstanding!

Kathy
The Establishment
or
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathybrown91@HOME.COM>
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:06:52 -0700, Erin Klingler <erink@IDA.NET> wrote:

>But since I
>couldn't reach my hubby at work,

I am ROTFL, Erin ... having that button hidden explains a lot.  This is a
feature I use all the time (I just used it extensively tonight to sort out
an
Archive story problem, as a matter of fact) so it never occured to me that
everyone didn't use it.  As you obviously know now,  you didn't "do"
anything
to your story, you just showed the coding that's always there.  You could
have kept right on editing and sent me the story, and I would have been able
to read it just fine. :)  Actually, that feature *helps* with editing
because
you can see where the hard returns vs word wraps are, where there are extra/
too few spaces between words, etc.  I find it very useful. :)

I have to tell you, though, I read your message to Jim and his "trying to
hide the grin" grin was priceless ... he said he wished he could be there to
see Dave's reaction when you tell him. "Um, honey...? I think you need some
more sleep ..."

<ducking and running>

Kathy <vvv*v*bg>
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Kathy wrote:

>I am ROTFL, Erin ... having that button hidden explains a lot.  This is a
>feature I use all the time (I just used it extensively tonight to sort out
an
>Archive story problem, as a matter of fact) so it never occured to me that
>everyone didn't use it.  As you obviously know now,  you didn't "do"
anything
>to your story, you just showed the coding that's always there.  You could
>have kept right on editing and sent me the story, and I would have been
able
>to read it just fine. :)  Actually, that feature *helps* with editing
because
>you can see where the hard returns vs word wraps are, where there are
extra/
>too few spaces between words, etc.  I find it very useful. :)

Well, that's good to know for future story editing.  :)  Now that I'm not
panicked about what the heck I'd just done to my newly finished fanfic, I
can
use that handy little feature when I *need* it.  <g>

>I have to tell you, though, I read your message to Jim and his "trying to
>hide the grin" grin was priceless ... he said he wished he could be there
to
>see Dave's reaction when you tell him. "Um, honey...? I think you need some
>more sleep ..."
>
><ducking and running>

LOL!   I'm glad I gave Jim (and hopefully some of you FoLCs) a good laugh.
:)
What else are my hopeless computer skills on this earth for than to cheer
somebody up? <vbg>  As for needing more sleep...amen to that!  I've slept
approximately 7 hours THIS WEEK since baby Trevor is teething, and *not* a
happy camper.  <sigh>  On the up side, I've seen a lot of interesting late
night/early morning infomercials.  ;)

Hurrying off to bed since ALL four kids are asleep...oops.  I'm sure I just
jinxed myself. <g>

Erin  :)
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Subject:      "ADITLOM" (RPG) Fifty-first Installment, Week #52 (Part 1 of
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This is the fifty-first installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day
in the Life of Metropolis."

Go to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aditlom

Private feedback welcomed! =3D)

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cast List:

Anya Starr: Tabitha
Cat Grant: Renda
Mayson Drake: Renda
Dan Scardino: Renda

* * * *
WEEK #52

Celtic Queen!

Cat put the finishing touches to her makeup and waited for Mayson, Diego
and=
=20
Ramone arrive.  Mayson was still in her room dressing and Diego and
Ramone=20
were in their suite also getting ready for the night.
   =20
Cat wondered who Anya Starr would bring with her.  =E2=80=9CWell it=E2=80=
=99s just about=20
show time!=E2=80=9D

>tbc<

* * * *
Later that day

=E2=80=9CUgh I hate this stuff,=E2=80=9D  groaned Anya as she wiped away
her=
 third attempt=20
at lipstick.=20
=E2=80=9CHere pucker up,=E2=80=9D  said Monica with a sigh as she applied
he=
r friend=E2=80=99s=20
makeup.  =E2=80=9CYou look hot, you are gonna knock that boy=E2=80=99s
socks=
 off,=E2=80=9D  she=20
giggled.

=E2=80=9CThis is a job you know,=E2=80=9D  pointed out Anya.
=E2=80=9CWhatever you say,=E2=80=9D  Monica said with a grin.
"Dick should be here any minute. And don't you dare start rattling off=20
questions like your the FBI or something," commanded Anya as she took a=20
last look at herself in her dark green dress.=20

"No problem would dream of  it," said her friend.=20
"You are such a liar!" replied Anya
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Celtic Queen!

Mayson looked in the mirror and decided to change for the 50th time.=20
Clothes were strewn all over her King-sized bed. She pulled yet another=20
outfit out of the closet and donned it. The blue shimmering fabric of=20
the dress accentuated her blonde tresses and her eyes. She applied a=20
light coat of lipstick and decided to go into the living room and wait=20
for Ramone, Diego and Catherine.

Meanwhile in the Dela Vega Suite, Ramone was tackling his tie while Diego=20
donned all black, looking dashing as ever. The brothers walked into=20
their living room area about the same time and smiled at one another.

Catherine Grant smiled and looked at the lovely Irish Green dress that=20
she had finally decided to wear. It flowed with haute coutour grace=20
around her hips and made it's way down below her knees. As she walked it=20
made a pleasant swishing sound.  She sat down upon the chaise lounge and=20
put on her green pumps. They  were from Italy and she placed her=20
shammrock shoe button on the front and closed the clips. Gathering up=20
the matching hand bag she checked her hair and makeup once more before=20
joining Mayson in the living room.

Mayson looked up as Catheine walked into the room. "Well, if you don't=20
have Diego's heart now. After tonight he'll be your's and your's alone!=E2=
=80=9D

Catherine smiled at her friend and replied, "Mayson, I have told you=20
before that Diego and I are just really good friends!"

Mayson nodded and said. "Sure and I'm the tooth fairy!"
Cat wrinkled up her nose at Mayson's words. "Mayson, you have a lot to=20
learn about myself and Diego!" she told her as she snapped her purse=20
closed.

"Yes, well you can run Catherine Grant! You can't always hide from fate!"
Catherine smiled and said, "Yes well I'll take my chances in the race."
>tbc<
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Diego and Ramone!

The Dela Vega brother's were discussing strategies in their suite when a=20
knock on the door interrupted them.

Diego opened the door to see Dan Scardino standing there. "Hi! Just=20
wanted to ask you if you had plans for later this evening?"

Diego looked at him and smiled. "As a matter of fact we do!" he said.
Dan, being persistant asked him, "Where?"
Ramone walked over to the door and said "Dan we have dates tonight with=20
Mayson and Catherine."

Dan said, "Okay, I think that I'll check out the club in this hotel."
As Diego closed the door he looked at Ramone. "That one is always=20
lurking about!"

Diego nodded at Ramone and picked up the phone to call Catherine. "Hello=20
Princess, I just wanted to let you know that Dan Scardino was here=20
pumping us for information."

Cat laughed. "He doesn't want to be left out!"
"Well tonight after your interview what do you want to do?"
Cat thought about it for a minute then replied, "I still think that I=20
should take the jet back to Metropolis. Perry is flying back with me and=20
so is Mayson!"

Diego inhaled sharply and replied, "Princess, I hope you know what you=20
are doing!"

"Trust me Diego. You can fly to Metropolis with us if you'd like!"
"I may just do that!"
"Okay, we can discuss it later. Bye!"
"Bye Princess!"
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cat calls Anya with dinner details.

Catherine Grant called Anya Starr's answering machine and left her the=20
specific dinner plans. "Hello Ms. Starr, we have a table reserved at the=20
Irish Pub in the Celtic Queen under my name, Catherine Grant. I look=20
forward to meeting you again under better circumstances than the=20
Enviromental Ball's diaster. Talk with you later. Cat!"

Cat hung up the phone and looked at Mayson. "You know I am looking=20
forward to dinner and then our flight back to Metropolis."

Mayson smiled and nodded her agreement.
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Re: Cat calls Anya with dinner details.

Anya heard the phone ring as she rinsed her long black hair which was=20
quite a job in itself. "Monica get the phone! Monica!" she yelled.
She grabbed a towel and clicked on her answering machine to hear Cat's=20
message. "Cool," she mumbled. "Monica next time how 'bout picking up the=20
phone...never mind," she blushed as she found her roommate making out=20
with a guy on their couch. "Out. Now!" yelled Anya pointing to the door.=20

The guy smiled at her,shrugged and made his way out the door. "Nice=20
towel, Annie," he snickered. Anya slammed the door after him.=20

Monica straightened up herself and smiled. "You are no fun sometimes.=E2=80=
=9D
"You are supposed to help me ya know," said Anya with her hands=20
on her hips.=20

"Alright lets get started."=20
>tbc<

* * * *
Plans!

Cat looked at Mayson and asked.   "Okay, what do we do between now=20
and the interview dinner?"

Mayson looked up and replied,  "Why don't we change cloths since this is=20
what we are wearing tonight, I think, and go to the spa?"

Cat smiled. "Ohhhh yes! Lets go to the spa!"
So Mayson and Catherine changed into their bathing suits and went to the
sp=
a.
Mayson laughed at how they had prepared for dinner and keep changing=20
their minds as to the way they will wear their hair and what they will=20
wear.

Catherine picked up the phone and called her favorite designer. "Please=20
send over some of your current season runway fashions. My friend and I=20
need something to wear to an Irish Pub tonight. Yes I am a size 4 and my=20
friend is a size 6. Thanks!"

Cat hung up the phone and smiled. *It is going to be a grand afternoon!*
>tbc<=20

Look for Week #53 coming to a PC near you!

Enjoy!

Alexis ;-.)
"ADITLOM" arbitrator

"Wait a minute.  How do I find you?" (Lois)
"I'll be around."  (Superman)
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This is the fifty-second installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day
in the Life of Metropolis."

Go to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aditlom

Private feedback welcomed! =3D)

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Cast List:

Cat Grant: Renda
Mayson Drake: Renda
Dan Scardino: Renda
Perry White: Renda
Dick Grayson: Dave
Lex Luthor: Dave
Clark Kent: Alexis W.

* * * *
WEEK #53

Re: Plans!

Cat and Mayson were pampered and massaged. They soaked in herbal baths=20
and got manicures and pedicures.

Cat listened to the lovely rain forest music and drifted into limbo.
She looked at Mayson and said, "Tonight we can do some Irish dancing!"
"Yes! Sounds like fun to me!"
>tbc<
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Cat and Mayson sight seeing!

After the Spa and picking out new Hute Coutour outfits, Catherine Grant=20
and Mayson Drake decided to go sight seeing.

They ended up at the Observatory. It was corded off and guards were all=20
around it.

Cat looked at Mayson and said, "It seems like a million years since that=20
happened!"

Mayson looked around at the building and shook her head. "Cat, I still=20
wonder why anyone would do that to a building."

"And our pilot's! Don't forget our pilots!"
>tbc<

* * * *
Vincent Black Knight

Dick watched Barbara rush into the house and shrugged. He made his way=20
into the garage, placing his helmet on, lowering the visor. The engine=20
of the bike he now stratled came to life as he kick-started the engine.

'Wonder where she's going? And where's Clark?'
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: uh oh...here comes trouble!

Clark winced as the sunlight shone in his eyes. He opened his eyes and=20
felt a sharp pain travel through his body. He found Lois asleep on his=20
chest. He carefully moved her so he could sit up. As he was moving, he=20
looked at his surroundings. Lois and him were locked up in some dungeon=20
type structure.

A few feet in front of him stood an iron door. If he could muster up=20
just enough strength, he could get himself over to that door and try to=20
knock it down.=20

He was moving over towards the door, when something stopped him. He=20
heard a noise...Clark used his x-ray vision and saw Lex approaching.
"Shoot!" he muttered under his breath as he tried to find a place to=20
hide.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Cat and Mayson sight seeing!

Cat looked around the sidewalk of the Oobservatory, hoping to find more=20
clues to the quake and who might be responsible for it.

"Mayson! We should go and see if Diego and the other's have any more=20
news!"
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cat and Mayson arrived at the Celtic Queen with their new outfits in=20
tow.

In the back of her mind, Cat wondered what would happen tonight!
Mayson looked around and thought she saw Ramone. *That's funny! Ramone=20
didn't wave at me!* Mayson thought.

Cat turned to see her friend=E2=80=99s frown. "Mayson! What is wrong?"
Mayson looked at her, "I thought I saw Ramone and I waved. He looked=20
right through me and kept walking!"

Cat looked at Mayson and replied, "Probably a man who looked like=20
Ramone!" trying to reassure Mayson.

Mayson still felt cold in her spirit. *Why would Ramone ignore her?*
Cat walked beside Mayson and remembered that she needed to call Anya and=20
make sure tell her to ask for the Grant table and the Host would show=20
her to the table.

"Ring" "Hello! Anya Starr here!"
"Hi, Anya! Cat Grant! I just wanted to let you know that the table is=20
reserved for tonight and all you need to do is tell the Host that you=20
are with the Grant party!"

"Kewl! Thanks so much Ms. Grant!"
"Anya, call me Cat, and you are very welcome!"
Anya hung up the phone and stood in the middle of the room screaming and=20
jumping up and down in a fairy dance.

Her roommate looked at her like she had lost her mind.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: uh oh...here comes trouble!

Luthor slowly walked toward the massive iron door.
"Let's see what we have in the mouse trap, shall we?" Lex smiled at his=20
taller, older British companion.

"Indeed, sir," Nigel replied while carefully swinging the massive door=20
forward=20
and allowing his employer to step inside.

Lex reached for a switch, which slowly began to illuminate the chamber=20
he and Nigel now stood in. He looked toward two figures slumped in the=20
corner. Luthor's eyebrows rose as he clapped his hands together, the=20
sound echoing through the chamber. "Ah, Mr. Kent, so good of you to join=20
us."=20

Clark scowled at Luthor.
"It's nice to see you, Lex"

Luthor smiled graciously and glanced at Nigel. "There, you see?? I treat=20
this man with hospitality, take him in to my humble abode... and what do=20
I get in return? Unremitting hostility." He shook his head. "All the=20
better. Perhaps this will come as a surprise to you, Mr Kent, but I=20
believe you're going to miss a wedding..."

"Excuse me?" Clark asked shocked. "What wedding is this? Don't tell me=20
you actually found a woman crazy enough to wed you?!?"
>tbc<

* * * *
Diego, Ramone, Perry, Dan

"Well, brother we have alot to ingest and try to figure out!" Ramone=20
said to Diego.=20

Diego nodded as they made their way back to the hotel.
Perry dailed his cellphone again. "Where in the Sam hill is Olsen?" He=20
muttered.

Dan looked around and decided that he needed a change of clothes. "I am=20
going to shop at this store. I will meet you all later."

Diego nodded and they left Dan.
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Cat called Diego to check in.
"Hi Princess, Perry is bent out of shape looking for Jimmy Olsen."
Cat laughed and replied, "The last time I saw Jimmy he was at Wayne=20
Manor with a concussion."

Diego laughed. "Well if Perry doesn't talk with him soon he may have=20
another one!"

Cat chuckled. "Well, anyway. Mayson and I have changed our minds about=20
a hundred times trying to decide what to wear tonight for the pub."

"I am sure whatever you wear will be stunning."
"Well you know us Diego, we like to impress the guys."
"I know you like to impress them, Mayson isn't as daring as you are my=20
pet."

"Diego, I can't help it because I love the runway fashions."
"Well my love, I can't wait to see what you have picked from the runway=20
tonight."

"Bye Diego, I love you too!"
Cat hung up the phone and told Mayson. "You know, I really believe that=20
all people think I am is a cat walk coutour person."

Mayson looked at her and said,"Well, when I first met you, I thought=20
you were pretty handy with the guys. But as I got to know you more, I=20
realized that you are much more than just your pretty and sexy persona!"

"Thanks Mayson, I feel alot better now!" Cat said as she made a face.
The two ladies laughed as they made their way into the suite. Cat picked=20
up a pillow off the sofa and tossed it at Mayson.

"Oh no you don't!" Mayson said as she ducked out of the way. She tossed=20
a pillow back at Cat and hit her in her nice sleek bottom.

"Hey! No fair! You are a better aim than I am!"
>tbc<

* * * *
Anya waits to hear from Dick!

Anya sat in her room with rollers in her hair. She turned the ringer on=20
her phone up to loud, so that she would hear it ring, while she dried=20
her hair.

Anya smiled as she thought about tonight with Dick Grayson! *He is=20
soooooo cute!*=20

Anya looked around to Monica and said, "I hope Dick isn't late!"
Monica nodded. "Yes, that wouldn't look good for you to be late for an=20
interview."
>tbc<

Look for Week #54 coming to a PC near you!

Enjoy!

Alexis ;-.)
"ADITLOM" arbitrator

"Wait a minute.  How do I find you?" (Lois)
"I'll be around."  (Superman)
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This is the fifty-third installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day
in the Life of Metropolis."

Go to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aditlom

Private feedback welcomed! =3D)

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cast List:

Cat Grant: Renda
Dan Scardino: Renda
Perry White: Renda
Lex Luthor: Dave
Clark Kent: Alexis W.
Lois Lane: Alexis W.
Jimmy Olsen: Tina T.

* * * *
WEEK #54

uh oh...here comes trouble!
special contributions by LoisLane9397 and Nightwing810

"Mr. Kent... I'll cut to the quick. Could it be that you actually don't=20
like me? After all I've done for you?"

"What you've done for me? Um...name one thing you've done for me...heck=20
one thing *good* you've truly done for Metropolis!"

"Metropolis is MY CITY. I built it, I own it, and all of its citizens=20
must look up to me in reverance."

Clark laughed. "Metropolis is everyone's city, Lex. I think you forget=20
that sometimes."

"No, it's you that seems to forget your place, Mr. Kent. And I am here=20
to remind you that you mean nothing.. mearly a pawn in a larger game of=20
chess. Call your red caped friend..."

"And why would I want to do that?" Clark asked uncomfortably. It didn't=20
help that he was on the ground and Lex was standing next to him. For=20
once he actually felt intimated by the man.

Lex chuckled, stetching his arms to the dank celling, looking over to=20
his manservant, Nigel. "Why, to invite him to a wedding, of course!!=20
I want you to know...", Luthor snickered, "I considered you for the=20
position of best man... but.. no. After all, how can you do that when=20
you're dead??"

"Dead...?" Clark's voice stuttered as he felt himself going weak again,=20
"I don't think so."

"Adieu, Mr. Kent... enjoy your last few hours... and please give my best=20
to your spit curled, demigogic friend for me as he dies as well, would=20
you?" Luthor laughed, as he led Nigel through the door, huming to=20
himself along the way.
>tbc<

* * * *
The Irish Pub!

Perry White and Dan Scardino made their way to the pub and the table=20
reserved for them.

Perry looked around and said, "Well Dan, Cat has great taste in eating=20
establishments."

Dan smiled and nodded in agreement.
Cat and Mayson put on the outfits they bought earlier. Mayson looked=20
like a fairy goddess as she floated from her bedroom into the living=20
room on a cloud of blue iridescent color.

Cat was ravenshing in her Shammrock Green gown. The lovely off the=20
shoulder's neckline accented her eyes and hair with lights and luster.

They looked at each other and smiled. "You know we make these designer=20
clothes look great!"

Cat replied, "Of course, we always make clothes look better!"
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Perry White dialed Wayne Manor again and left another message for Jimmy=20
Olsen. "Ah Jimmy, Son this is your boss. You do remember me? Now, Olsen=20
you really need to call my cellphone and check in Son!"

Perry hung up the phone and looked at Dan. "It was different when I was=20
young. We respected our bosses."

Dan smiled and nodded.
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Re: The Irish Pub!

Alfred saw Jimmy and Lucy walking through the manor and walked up to=20
them.  "Jimmy Olsen there is a message for you," Alfred said as he handed=20
Jimmy a piece of paper.

"Thanks Alfred," Jimmy said.
"What does it say Jimmy,=E2=80=9D  Lucy asked.
Jimmy read the message and he immediately called after Alfred.=20
"Where is there a phone I can use?" Jimmy asked worriedly.
"There is one in the den," Alfred replied as he continued down the hall.
"What is it Jimmy? What did the note say?" Lucy asked. She was worried=20
by his look.

"It's Perry he wants me to call him right away. I haven't checked in=20
like I always do and he is probably going to kill me," Jimmy said=20

Already making his way to the den, Lucy followed not having anywhere=20
else to go.=20

He picked up the phone and dialed Perry's cell phone. He waited for=20
Perry to answer, expecting the worst.=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
"Perry White here! Olsen! Where in the Sam hill have you been? You are=20
still at Wayne Manor! Well, I need you to prepare to leave tonight with=20
me and Cat and the other's, we are taking the Grant Industries Jet back=20
to Metropolis!" Perry told Jimmy.

"Well, I'll be John Brown. You seem to think that staying with your=20
girlfriend is more important than your job. We need to have a talk in my=20
office when we get back to the Planet."

"Now, don't forget! Meet us here at the Celtic Queen. We will be in the=20
Irish Pub for awhile then we are leaving for the airport for=20
Metropolis."

Perry hung up the phone and looked at Dan. "The more I try to instill=20
good work ethics in the young people today, the more they just throw=20
opportunity away!"

Dan laughed and replied, "Perry, you have to admit that we have all been=20
through an ordeal, these past few days."
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cat and Diego with Ramone and Mayson arrived at the Celtic Queen's Irish=20
Pub, they saw Perry and Dan already seated at the reserved table.

"Chief, I see you are already enjoying the Irish Music!" Cat said as she=20
sat down beside Perry.=20

Diego sat next to Cat and Mayson sat next to him, with Ramone on her=20
other side.

Cat's phone rang. It was Anya, letting her know that she was coming=20
alone. "Dick is busy and may not make it tonight. So I am coming on=20
alone."

"Fine Anya, I look forward to the interview."
>tbc<

* * * *
uh oh...here comes trouble!
special contributions by LoisLane9397 and Nightwing810

Clark looked at Lex walking away as Lois started to stir. Lois' moving=20
around stopped Lex and he started walking towards her.

"Lois, my dear... are you alright?" Luthor slowly bends to hold Lois in=20
his arms.

"Hmmm...who is it? Clark is that you?" she groggily asked.
Clark moved closer to Lois in a possesive stance. "Don't you touch her!"=20
he commanded.

"Stay... AWAY!!" Luthor's voice echoed through the chamber as he pointed=20
an accusing finger at Kent.

"I don't think so!" Clark yelled as he tried pulling Lois into his arms.
Luthor swung at Kent, striking him squarly in the jaw. "I won't let you=20
hurt her anymore! Are you alright, Lois?"

Clark cried out in pain as he crashed against the stone wall.
"Hmmm...I think so..." Lois said as her eyes were going more into focus.=20
"Lex is that you? Where's Clark?" she asked as she tried to look around.
"Shhhh... I promise, you're safe now... come with me, we'll get you=20
cleaned up."

"Lex? It sounds like you..Why are you here? What's going on?"
"This... evil man has cruely and maliciously assaulted you. I found you=20
here with him just in time. Please tell me he didn't hurt you?"

"You mean Clark? No, Clark no, he didn't hurt me. Clark was trying to=20
help me when I blacked out and I woke up here..."

"Lois, please come with me, I'll try to explain what I know...=20
Apparently Mr. Kent is not what he seems. I'm sorry if he hurt you."=20
=20
"Um...I...um...I don't understand Lex..."
"You don't have to.. I'm here now... come." He bent to kiss her gently.
Lois moaned slightly as she felt Lex's warm lips upon her skin. "Hmm..."=20
she said in a daze.

Meanwhile, Clark was coming to, when he saw Lex kissing Lois. It angered=20
him and he was going to muster up all of his strength in order to=20
protect Lois with that evil man!
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: The Irish Pub!  The interview!

Anya made her way to the table and the butterflies in her stomach made
her=20
more nervous. She saw Cat Grant sitting at the table in one of the most=20
beautiful and expensive gowns she had ever seen.
Anya noticed the hand-made Irish lace on the sleeves and around the=20
waist. *Man, Cat sure knows her clothes!* Anya thought as she sat down.
She sat next to Dan Scardino and across from Cat.

"Well, Ms. Grant... Cat. How does it feel to be the heroin and land a=20
jet when the Pilots are injured?"

Cat smiled. "I am not the only person who did heroic deeds that day. I=20
have a pilots license, so naturally it fell upon me to land that jet. I=20
am familiar with the jet since my Father owns it."

Anya took in a deep breath and asked another question. "Do you ever feel=20
cheapened when men make generalized dirty comments on your dressing=20
tastes?"

Cat looked at her and then replied, "I am not in the least inhibited by=20
my choice of clothing. I always say wear what you are most comfortable=20
in. If sexy is your bag then go sexy. I can afford Haute Coutour=20
fashtions, therefore I wear them."

Anya gulped in more air. "Do you or anyone else in your company know who=20
is responsible for the pilots injuries or the quakes at the Enviromental=20
Ball?"

Catherine looked up and tapped her long fingernails on the table. "No=20
comment, on that one Ms. Starr, as you well know those two incidents are=20
still under investigation by the NTSB and the local authorities as well=20
as FBI."
Anya asked Cat more questions and Cat graciously answered them.
As the evening winded down, the conversation turned to happy things and=20
lots of Irish Dancing.
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Perry looking for Jimmy!

Perry White looked at his watch and growled. "Where in the name of all=20
that's blue suede holy is that photographer of ours?"

"Now, Chief! I am sure Jimmy will get here in time to fly back with us.=20
You need to calm down Perry your ulcer will act up," Cat said and patted=20
his shoulder. "Afterall, we can't have you sick when we are going back=20
to Metropolis to finish the stories and you guys finish investigating=20
your theories!"

Perry smiled at Cat and settled back into his seat.
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Cat calls the Airport!

Cat picked up her cellphone and dialed the Airport. "Hi, just checking=20
on the weather between Gotham and Metropolis, and I also need to make=20
sure that Grant Industries 1863 is ready for takeoff tonight!"

Cat finished giving the instructions for the flight and hung up the=20
phone.
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Plenty of Time!!

Cat and Diego danced another Irish Jig. Mayson and Ramone talked=20
together with Anya who was enjoying herself.
Perry sat down with another Irish Whiskey, he and Dan Scardino told more=20
of their whopping stories. Each trying to out do the other.

Cat looked at Diego. "You know, I am having a wonderful time!"
Diego smiled at her and whispered romantically in her ear.

"Keep this up and we will be here a week!"
The food arrived and they sat down to sample some of the fine Irish=20
dishes.
>tbc<
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Just a quick question.  These days I don't seem to have time to read most of
the sip's on the mbs so I wait for the archive version.  I like to send
feedback after each new story I finish reading on the archive.  (still *way,
way* behind in my reading though)  In this feedback, along with all the
positive comments,  if there was something that seemed a little off to me in
the story,  most likely I would  have mentioned that too.

Now I'm wondering if, in those cases where the story has appeared on the mbs
where it has already undergone critiquing,  should I omit the 'quibble' part
of my feedback?  How do you authors feel about the quibble in these
circumstances?  Is it redundant at this point?  What about other feedback
senders -- what do you do in these cases?

Carol
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In a message dated 12/3/00 8:30:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ccmalo@AOL.COM
writes:

> )  In this feedback, along with all the
> positive comments,  if there was something that seemed a little off to me
in
> the story,  most likely I would  have mentioned that too.
>
> Now I'm wondering if, in those cases where the story has appeared on the
mbs
> where it has already undergone critiquing,  should I omit the 'quibble'
part
> of my feedback?  How do you authors feel about the quibble in these
> circumstances?  Is it redundant at this point?

I think it depends on what the "quibble" is.  If it's something to do with
characterization, or plotting, or major problems with the flow of the story,
then as a writer, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the
subject.  Knowing that there are things I could do to improve my writing is
important to me.  On the other hand, if you have caught a typo on page 43,
I'm not sure there is much point in telling me at this point, since there
isn't a whole lot I can do about it now.

As for feedback of any kind being redundant at this point, I would say
definitely not.  If you have posted to the mbs, you have probably received
feedback from the same ten or so people who are pretty faithful in giving
feedback on the mbs.  That means that there are a lot of people who either
waited until the story reached the archive to read it, or nobody much read
it.  Again, as a fairly new author, I like any feedback I get.

Ann
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Interesting question, Carol :)

I've always held to the theory that it's not so much what you say as how
you say it.  Sort of along the lines of diplomacy is telling someone to
go to hell in such a way that they thank you for the travel advice ;)

In this case, I think quibbles are perfectly acceptable.  While it may
be too late for this particular story, most of us are thinking of
writing more, and would like to improve our skills.  Mind you, the
quibble should be phrased delicately ... I personally prefer a
questioning approach ("I didn't quite understand why you made Lois six
feet tall; what was your thinking there?") but any non-confrontational
approach will do ("I don't think Clark would have done that, but it
certainly provoked an interesting response from Lois").  Any variant on
"This totally sucks" is right out. ;)  But asking for clarification is
perfectly valid feedback -- it may tell the author that he/she wasn't
clear enough, or it may cause them to reconsider their view of the
character, or they may think it over and decide that they liked the way
they did it, regardless.  All of that would be useful the next time they
write a story, either to change things or just make them clearer.

I personally don't even mind a typo-catch, or a generalized grammar
lesson (you keep using commas where you need semi-colons, or, I heard
that ellipses should go like this instead of that).  Authors do have the
option of cleaning up their copy and re-submitting it to the archive for
typo-fixes.  And peer feedback on how messed-up my punctuation was is
the only reason I've cleaned it up in recent years :)  A line-by-line
edit would be over the top, though.  The archive editors are generally
pretty good at catching most of the mistakes, but sometimes an author is
stubborn and doesn't think they way they do it is wrong.  Considering
that English grammar is an ever-evolving thing, they may even be right
;)

So, quibble away :)  If an author objects, he or she ought to put
"positive feedback only" or something similar right at the beginning of
the story.
--

Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net
http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/

"I am still confident of this:
I will see the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living.
Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart
and wait for the Lord."
--Psalm 27:13-14
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I too am way behind.  But when I send a feedback comment on a story that is
completed, if there was something that seemed off to me I will mention it. I
do agree that if the story is on the archive, a quibble probably won't make
any difference to *that* story, but I would think that the comment may
strike something for a future story.  Dede

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Subject: what type of feedback to send?

> Just a quick question.  These days I don't seem to have time to read most
of
> the sip's on the mbs so I wait for the archive version.  I like to send
> feedback after each new story I finish reading on the archive.  (still
*way,
> way* behind in my reading though)  In this feedback, along with all the
> positive comments,  if there was something that seemed a little off to me
in
> the story,  most likely I would  have mentioned that too.
>
> Now I'm wondering if, in those cases where the story has appeared on the
mbs
> where it has already undergone critiquing,  should I omit the 'quibble'
part
> of my feedback?  How do you authors feel about the quibble in these
> circumstances?  Is it redundant at this point?  What about other feedback
> senders -- what do you do in these cases?
>
> Carol
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Hey all :)  I just spent a half-hour giggling semi-hysterically over
some really *bad* examples of fanfic...

I found a page called "How to Write Almost Readable Fan Fiction"
<http://www.geocities.com/supchara/HowTo2.html> -- lots of good advice
on how to avoid common errors.  But the really hilarious part is the
Hall of Shame <http://www.geocities.com/supchara/TEXT/Shame.html>   A
lot of the examples seem to be from Highlander or the Sentinal, but the
errors are not show-specific, in general, so you don't need much
familiarity with them.

Enjoy <g>
--

Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net
http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/

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I will see the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living.
Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart
and wait for the Lord."
--Psalm 27:13-14
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Hi Carol: Ann and Pam pretty much covered my feeling about feedback, except
for 2 things. First,  I have received feedback that I have rebuffed, but as
I thought about it, made me see things about my story that I hadn't seen
before.  That feedback became greatly helpful in improving my writing.
Second, I enjoy getting into a dialogue with the critic over some things.
It's a give and take that, again, helps improve my writing and sometimes
gives me ideas I might never have thought of that turn up in my next story.
In my case, I welcome any and all comments. Hope that helps.  :)  Jude
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There are two great stories uploaded to the archive
this week and both of them are definitely not to be
missed.

'Just Another Undercover Assignment' by Wendy Richards
is a stand-alone story that has a great deal of humour
in it.  Well-written, fun, and a wonderful exploration
of Lois's family dynamics, this one is a must-read.

Also a must-read is part 3 of Yvonne Connell's Fear of
Discovery series.  This story focuses on Alt-Clark and
Alt-Lois and is sensual, angsty, humourous in parts,
and a fantastic fun romp.  It should be read in order
after FOD 1 and FOD 2, but that's just a bonus as
those two stories are fantastic in their own right!

If you haven't yet, run - don't walk - to the archive
and download these stories for your own enjoyment.

Irene

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I hope there is a Word user out there who can help with this problem, 'cause
it's driving me crazy.

When I write or download a story to print so I can read it, I always put in
a header with the name of the story and a page number.  I prefer to show the
current page number of total page numbers.  I've never had a problem with
this until about 2 months ago, when the print copy began to show not 'page 1
of 29' but 'page 1 of 1, 2 of 2,' etc.  It didn't matter whether I inserted
the page numbers with autotext (page x of y) or 'page # of numpages' using
the insert button, the result was the same.
The correct numbering appears onscreen in the file document and it also
appears on the print preview, but it doesn't print that way. It affects not
only new documents but old ones as well.

Here's what I've tried:

Reinstalled Word  2000 twice.
Reinstalled printer driver twice.
Changed from Windows 98 to Windows Me.
De-installed Word 2000
Reinstalled Word 2000
Reinstalled printer driver.
Just ignoring it.

Still the same result.  And the maddening thing is that I'll go in to
various settings and try to correct it and it will work correctly for 1
printing and then it will go back to the 1 of 1 syndrome.  I'm sure I've hit
a button or changed a setting somewhere but I have no idea where.  I've
consulted my Software Engineer son, my Software Consultant son-in-law and my
hacker husband but their suggestions (see above) have not worked. I've
looked in my Mastering Word 2000 book but can't find anything.

I have decided that it's a printer protocol problem and that a new printer
would take care of everything. (Christmas is coming, printers are on sale,
Won't you put a printer under my Christmas tree?  Who will put a printer
under my Christmas tree?) So far, I haven't been able to sell that one.

He-e-e-e-lp!  It's driving me crazy!  Anybody have any suggestions?
Please...Please!  :o  :(
 Jude
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Subject:      Re: Fanfic Recommendations

Irene... first, *thank you*!! :blush

Second, I thoroughly endorse your recommendation of Fear of Discovery III.
It's quite simply one of the very best fanfics I've read this year.
Dramatic, angsty, funny, poignant, romantic... what more could you want?!
Keep a box of tissues handy, though, for those incredibly emotional
moments - you'll need it!  :)

Wendy
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Personally, I'll take any kind of feedback at any time--even after it's been
critiqued on the mbs :)

Tara
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> Just a quick question.  These days I don't seem to have time to read most
of
> the sip's on the mbs so I wait for the archive version.  I like to send
> feedback after each new story I finish reading on the archive.  (still
*way,
> way* behind in my reading though)  In this feedback, along with all the
> positive comments,  if there was something that seemed a little off to me
in
> the story,  most likely I would  have mentioned that too.
>
> Now I'm wondering if, in those cases where the story has appeared on the
mbs
> where it has already undergone critiquing,  should I omit the 'quibble'
part
> of my feedback?  How do you authors feel about the quibble in these
> circumstances?  Is it redundant at this point?  What about other feedback
> senders -- what do you do in these cases?
>
> Carol
>
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Carol,

I'd be surprised if you found any authors who didn't welcome feedback, with
or without quibbles <g>.  Speaking personally, I particularly welcome the
quibbles, large or small, because even if I don't make a change to the story
in question, I'll most likely have learnt something which I can use to
improve the next story I write.  And when those quibbles come from someone
as eloquent and well-mannered as you, Carol, then a) it's painless to
receive them, and b) I know they're made after careful and intelligent
thought.

Yvonne
(yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk)
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I'll add my recommendation to Irene's on JAUA by Wendy - it's told with a
light, deft touch which is a refreshing change after some of the heavy,
angst-filled stories we've been grappling with lately (yes, I *know* I'm one
of the culprits! <g>).

Which leads me on to say thank you to Irene for recommending my story.  I'd
like to add that you don't *have* to read FoD and FoD2 to understand FoD3 -
at least, I hope not.  Not that I'm desperate for readers or anything <g>,
but I don't want to discourage people from reading it because they feel they
have to wade through two other longish stories first.

Thanks again, Irene :)

Yvonne
(yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk)
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Jude,

It's probably folly to ask this now, but what happened two months ago?
Something obviously changed to start this going wrong, and if you can
remember the first time it happened, and relate that to something you
changed (installed something, uninstalled something, changed a setting,
etc), then maybe you can begin to work out a solution.

And - I see you de-installed Word before re-installing it at one point, but
did you try de-installing the printer driver before re-installing it?

Oh - and what happens if you take one of these documents to a different PC?
Does the problem move with the document?

Finally - and this is the remotest one of all, but could it be a virus?  Are
you up-to-date with your anti-virus software?

No, not finally.  Have you tried deleting normal.dot?  That's where a lot of
localised settings are held, and maybe if you delete it you'll kill the
problem.

I know - it's all grasping at straws, but it looks like that's all you've
got right now.

Yvonne
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Hi FoLCs!

Check out http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/7378/lnc.html for stories
posted to Zoom's message board through December 1.

New part(s) posted:
A LOVE WELL WORTH THE WAIT:     TRACEYLYNN
ARE YOU LONESOME TONIGHT...?:   LABRAT
FAUX PAS:       WENDY RICHARDS
HEARTS AND DIAMONDS:    SHAYNET (AKA SHAYNE TERRY)
IT'S IN THE STARS:      SINGINGDREW (AKA KRISTEN) AND RCPEACHES (AKA ROSE)
PERSONAL LOYALTIES:     CINDY LEUCH

Previous stories completed this week:
none

New stories this week:
A CLONE BY ANY OTHER NAME:      TANK WILSON
LES SIX:        BLAISEPASCAL
LONG, STRANGE TRIP:     THIRTYSOMETHING
LOVE ME ONCE MORE:      RANDIW (AKA RANDI WARWICK)
MOMENTS:        SHAYNET (AKA SHAYNE TERRY)
MY FIRST FIC:   PINTOFOLC (AKA CHRISTY)
THE OFFICE VISIT:               TANK WILSON
THE OFFICE VISIT – A TANK EPILOGUE:     TANK WILSON
UNTITLED FIC:(PU: CAN ANYONE HELP OUT A FELLOW AUTHOR): SD

Added to the Archive this week:
Oops, Did I Forget to Mention...?  Tank Wilson and Wendy Richards
Red Sky Jenni Debbage
Some Things Never Change   Alicia U.

Enjoy!
The Index Crew
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This is the fifty-fourth installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day
in the Life of Metropolis."

Go to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aditlom

Private feedback welcomed! =)

=====================
Cast List:

Cat Grant: Renda
Perry White: Renda
Dan Scardino: Renda
Mayson Drake: Renda
Anya Starr: Tabitha
Lex Luthor: Dave
Dick Grayson: Dave
Lois Lane: Alexis W.
Clark Kent: Alexis W.

* * * *
WEEK #55
(11/27-12/03)

Celtic

Cat and Diego danced another Irish jig, and thought about everything
that had happened this weekend.

"You know Catherine, I have to leave for New Orleans tomorrow. So we
only have tonight before I leave.

Cat frowned and she looked up at him. "Diego, I really wish you would
let me go with you to New Orleans.

"Princess, why worry about the future when we have this lovely
night to spend with one another?"

Cat smiled and looked around to see Anya Starr approaching her again.
"Looks like Anya has some more questions!" Cat said aloud.
>tbc<
======
A phone call

"I am going to need to make a phone call, I'll be back," Anya said to
Cat and the others. She picked up the phone after depositing the right
amount of change. "Hello may I speak to Dick Grayson please?" she asked.
'And he better have a good excuse,' she said under her breath. If he
didn't he would be in more hot water then he was already.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: uh oh...here comes trouble!
special contributions by LoisLane9397 and Nightwing810

"Lois, my dear, we should be leaving now..."
"Where are we going, Lex?"
"Away from here.. away from the man that hurt you. Nigel will see to it
that he is restrained until the authorities arrive." Lex whispered
softly in her ear. "I'm sorry you had to go through this. I will always
be here to protect you."

Lois was too out of it to fully comprehend what Lex was saying.
"Lex? Going away? But what about Clark? We need to get Clark out of here
too?"

"No... Mr. Kent is apparently responsible for you present condition. But
I won't let him near you again." Lex motioned to Nigel as the manservant
began to slowly close the enormous iron door between Luthor and Kent.

"NO!!! YOU WILL NOT TAKE HER AWAY!!!" Clark yelled as he watched Lex
carrying Lois in his arms.

He crawled over to where Lex was standing and grabbed onto his legs.
Clark's strength caused Luthor to wabble back and forth.

Lois screamed as she felt Lex's grip loosening on her...
"Get OFF of me, you swine!" Luthor kicked at Kent's limp body.
"LET HER GO, Luthor!"
Luthor's face contorted in anger. "Never." he whispered, knowing Lois
would be unable to hear him.

"Clark...please don't....please, don't...Clark....CLARK!" she cried out
as she slipped out of Luthor's arms and fell to the ground below.
"Ahh..." she screamed out in pain.
"Sh*t!" Clark said out loud as he watched Lois fall to the ground. "If I
wasn't so weak..."
>tbc<
* * * *
Re: A phone call

"Well he'll get the message," said Anya as she hung up the pay phone.
She ordered a virgin strawberry dackery.  She went back to the rest
just to hear Diego's last comment. "Thank you Diego. Well let's start.
Cat, when did you realize the plane was in trouble?" Anya asked as she
took a sip of her drink and pulled out a small pad of paper and a pen.

Cat smiled and looked at Anya. "When the steward came to me and told me
that the Pilots were injured and appeared to be dead!" Cat answered
Anya's question.

Then looking up, she smiled at Diego.
Anya wrote down Cat's answer. "What was your reaction at that moment and
those of the other passengers if they were any?" she asked. "Oh and have
you ever piloted a plane before?"

"Well, I was concerned and went to the cockpit to check on the Pilots.
The jet was on auto pilot which is standard procedure for jets. I
ascessed the condition of the Pilots and we moved them to comfortable
seats and gave them first-aid." Cat looked at Anya and continued.
"I then sat down in the pilot's seat and started checking out the jet's
systems. I cannot go into all the details regarding the injuries of the
men at this time as it is still under investigation. I am a licensed
pilot, and familiar with the jet." Cat looked at Diego and he smiled and
nodded to her, with a look that said you are doing fine, just don't
say too much!

Anya continued writing down Cat's answers. "Very interesting, it was a
good thing  you were there," she said with a smile.

Cat smiled at Anya and said. "Yes, Anya it was a good thing that I was
on the jet, considering that I am a pilot too. My only concern was that
I didn't have a co-pilot." Cat said and then looked up at Anya. "Anya, I
had so many people to worry about, the Pilots and the passenger's and
the rest of the crew. My nerve's were on edge!" Cat told her and then
sighed as she remembered the sheer terror of that flight!
 =======
Perry and Dan drank more Irish Whiskey and talked about spying and
investigation.

"You know Dan! The King worked for the FBI!"
Dan smiled and nodded. "Yeah, and he could get into places that other
agent's couldn't!"

Perry looked up to see Cat and Diego dancing. "Great shades of Elvis! If
they dance any closer they'll melt into one!"

Dan looked across the room and nodded his head in agreement. "You know
Perry, Diego seems to be accomplished at a lot of things!"
*I wonder if he can ride a horse as well as he dances and gambles?* Dan
thought to himself as he downed yet another shot of whiskey.

Anya laughed at Perry's comment about Cat and Diego. She took a sip of
her drink and wondered where Dick was.

Perry looked across at Anya as she laughed. He raised one eyebrow as he
looked at her, one of his earth shaking moves, that sent copy boys and
lowly new reporters heading for cover at his stowic stare. He noticed
her blushing cheeks and said, "Well Ms. Starr, where do you think Dick
Grayson is?" Perry waited for her reply.

Cat and Diego walked up and heard Perry ask Anya where Dick was.
Cat patted Perry on the shoulder and said. "Chief, you know young
people. Dick is a very busy. Hey come dance with me Perry!"
Cat looked at Perry and waited for an answer.

Perry smiled and rose galalently, offered his arm and said. "I'd love to
dance with you Cat!"

Ramone looked at Anya and said. "Anya, don't worry, I know that Dick
Grayson would never stand up such a lovely lady like yourself. Would you
like to dance with me?"

Anya grinned. "That's very sweet Ramone, I'd love to," she replied.
Mayson smiled at Ramone and started a conversation with her old friend
Dan.

Ramone got up and helped Anya out of her seat. Leading her to the dance
floor.   He smelled of expensive Spanish cologne and cheroots. His white
smile
only accentuated his handsomeness.

"Well, Ms. Starr how do you like working for a newspaper?"
"I love working at a newspaper. It's very exciting almost 24/7 unless I
get stuck with odd jobs here and there when I am not on assignment. But
fortunately that doesn't happen often. So what do you do?" she asked
Ramone as he spun her around.

Ramone smiled as he spun Anya around and answered her question about his
career. "Well Anya, I assist my Brother with our company the Dela Vega
firm, and I attend many charity functions to help this planet we live
on. And, my favorite part is dancing with lovely young ladies like
yourself!" Ramone finished and smiled.

Ramone and Anya danced like their feet were floating. Ramone, like Diego
was a very accomplished dancer.

Perry White walked over to Diego and Cat and said, "May I cut in?"
Diego smiled and handed Cat's hand to Perry. "Of course you may Perry!"
Diego walked away and noticed that his brother was dancing with Anya.
Diego ordered a drink and light a cheroot. Dan Scardino looked at the
cheroot with a longing.

Diego asked..."Would you like a cheroot?"
"Thanks Diego, I certainly would."
Diego handed Dan a cheroot and his expensive spanish gold lighter. Dan
lite the cheroot and inhaled the aroma and taste of the exspensive
tobacco.

They talked about politics, music and women. Dan decided that he liked
Diego more after their conversation.

*I wonder what Dan is up to now?* Diego mentally ask himself as he
watched the agent try to casually gather information that Diego had no
intention of telling him.
=======
Ramone smiled as he danced with Anya. He looked at Mayson as she sat
beside Dan and watched Perry laughing.

*I wonder what is keeping Anya's date?* Mayson mentally asked herself.
=======
Diego danced with Catherine Grant. "I just love Riverdance songs." Cat
said to him as they danced lively together.

Diego smiled and whirled her around the dance floor.
 >tbc<

* * * *
Looking  for Anya

Dick looked at his reflection in the nearby glass door, straightening
his tie as he waited for the hostess to return. He was late, and he knew
it. He tried to spot Anya on the crowded dance floor, hoping she wouldn't
be too upset.

Catherine Grant saw Dick looking around the Pub. She motioned her head
towards Dick Grayson and then she and Diego walked off the dance floor
and spoke to him.

"Hi Dick you look handsome as ever!" Cat told him as she walked up to
him and extended her hand.

Diego shook hands with Dick and said. "Anya is dancing with my brother
Ramone, if you would like to cut in!"

They took Dick to the dance floor where Anya and Ramone were dancing.
>From the look on Dick's face, it was obvious that he really likes Anya.

Dick followed the couple silently, hoping they did not spot him
frowning. How was he going to explain all of this to Anya? More, if he
was needed, how was he going to be able to get away?
And what had gotten into Clark back at the manor? Dick had never seen
him act so distracted before. There was definately something on his
mind.

Dick looked carefully at the gentleman he had just shook hands with as
they walked. There was something vaguely familiar about this man.

Anya laughed merrily as Ramone dipped her down. It was then she saw Dick
looking a bit worried. She could tell even though she happened to be
upside down at the moment. "Dick," she called out almost making Ramone
drop her. Ramone righted her. "What took you so long to get here?" she
inquired.

Dick watched as Ramone dipped Anya. He tried to look away from her, not
wanting her to see his concern.

"Dick," she called out.
Dick met her glace, and froze. For a moment that seemed to last an
eternity, he gazed into her deep eyes, and all of his troubles melted
away.

"What took you so long to get here?" she inquired.
Dick took a step back. She was gorgeous, and he couldn't seem to take
his eyes off of her. For some reason, that made him uncomfortable. He
didn't like feeling so... helpless.

"Anya... I'm sorry, can we find someplace to talk?"
Dick eyed Ramone and smiled shyly. "Excuse me for interrupting, sir."

Ramone smiled at Dick and then looked at Anya, kissing her hand he bowed
slightly and said. "Thank you Senorita for the dance!"

Ramone smiled and walked over to Mayson Drake. Sitting down beside her
he took her hand, kissed it and ask. "Would you like to dance?"
Mayson smiled at him and said. "I would love too!"
Ramone and Mayson made their way to the dance floor and a slow song
started. They danced perfectly every step in rhythm with the music.
Ramone looked into Mayson's eyes.
"Mayson are you doing anything Halloween weekend?"
"I don't think so Ramone."
"Well, Diego and I are having a party and I would very much like for you
to attend."
"I'll check my calender and see if I can make it!"
Ramone smiled and kissed her on the cheek.
=======
"De nada, Ramone," Anya answered. She turned back to Dick. "Sure let's
go," she said and slipped her hand into his. She was glad he was here.
It was worth the wait to see his handsome face. "What's wrong?" she
whispered.

Dick looked down, struggling not to look into her eyes.
"Anya, I'm sorry I'm late. A... friend is having some problems. I was
really looking forward to spending this evening with you. I just don't
want you to think that..." He broke off. "Anya, can I tell you
something? There are... things that I do that make it.. difficult..." He
bit his lip, stuggling to find the right words as she gazed up at him.
"I don't want to loose you..."

"What kind of diffcult things?" she asked. "You'll never loose me," she
whispered gently.

He looked away. "Ahh... it's nothing." He looked back at her, forcing a
smile. "How's the story coming along? And where's your camera?"

"Oh it's coming along great.  Cat is very interesting. My camera at the
time being fixed in a shop. I dropped it accidently so no pictures this
time," Anya said with a laugh. She noticed a slow song was being played.
"Wanna dance?" she asked.

Dick looked at her and smiled softly. "I'm sorry... I should be asking
you that. Promise me something? Let's just try and enjoy this time
together, okay?" He reached up to caress her cheek.

Anya smiled at his touch. "Easy promise to keep," she said and wrapped
her arms around his neck. A very easy promise.
 =====
Cat watched the exchange with Anya and Dick. Smiling she leaned on
Diego's shoulder.  "I think those two are so cute together!"
Diego nodded and smiled.
 >tbc<
=======
Papahatzi nightmares!

Catherine noticed the camera flashes and turned to Diego. "We've got
trouble! Look the camera hounds are here!"

Diego nodded and left her side. He and Ramone walked over to the men and
talked to them   In a few seconds the two Spaniards had the film from all
six camera's and they promptly exsposued them.

Cat walked over to Diego. "What did you do to get the film?"
Diego smiled and replied, "Simply told them that if they want photos we
will schedule appointments and they can interview us at the same time as
they take the photos."

Cat smiled and thought. *Yeah and I bet you and Ramone used your quiet
muscle too!*

Cat looked around and shouted. "Okay! Shows over, you can resume dancing
and eating and drinking!"

Perry looked up from his whiskey and smiled.
Cat in Diego's arms again said, "If I didn't know you better, I'd say
you threatened those photographers!"

Diego looked at her with his dark eyes and flashed a quick smile. "Well
you know Batman isn't the only one who can intimidate!"

Cat laughed at his joke. *I think he is joking!*

======
Anya rested her head on Dick's shoulder as they both danced slowly to
the music. She winced as the camera lights started going office. She
noticed Diego and Ramone heading toward the 'photographers'. "Umm if I
were them I'd run. People like that give photographers a bad name" she
said to Dick with a frown.

Dick smiled down at her softly as he watched the comotion in the
distance. "I wonder what they're here for... How are classes going?"

"Very good except for Chemistry 101. I have a terror for a professor
named Haney. How are yours going?" she asked.

"Not too bad. I'm taking an advanced criminology class, which I love.
Also, a psych course, where we're studying family relationships right
now." Dick looked into her irresitable eyes. "umm... you've met and
heard about Bruce Wayne. Do you think I'm too much like him?"

"Umm tough question," said Anya staring up to Dick. "I think I'd have to
say no but then again I don't know him that well so I really have no
idea," she answered truthfully. She loved the way he watched her.
Looking into his eyes always made her heart skip a beat. "Why do you
ask?"

Dick sighed. He didn't know why, but he felt strangely comfortable
talking to the young woman whom he now held gently in his arms. "I don't
know... just something that came up in class. I mean, I guess I really
want Bruce to be proud of me. Sometimes... sometimes I wonder what kind
of guy Batman would be, and if anyone else could do it..." Dick winced,
realizing he might have said too much. "I wonder if I could ever be like
that...", he whispered gently into her ear, but couldn't tell if she
heard him.

Anya looked up at him puzzled. Could he have possibly meant that Bruce
Wayne was Batman? He couldn't have.....could he? "Ever be like Batman or
Bruce Wayne?" she asked.

"I..." Dick stuttered, looking down into her deep eyes. But he needed to
know. "Like Batman...", he said softly, closing his eyes.

Anya took a deep breath. "Then I don't think that there is a better man
to want to be like, in either identity. Will he be mad that you told me
even though it was an accident?" she asked. "You can open your eyes
now," she said gently with a smile.

Dick looked at her, shock in his eyes. "Anya... let's get out of
here..." He reached out his hand to her. "Now that you know, you should
know everything. Let's go someplace to talk."

"Sure let's go," she said. "Did you bring your motocycle?" Anya asked.
 Dick had to smile at that. "Of course. Do you know of a quiet place we
can talk... just you and me?"

"You know the park at the outskirts of the city called Eden Park?
Nobody's there this late at night," Anya said with a grin. "Unless you
can think of somewhere else," she said.

"No.. no, that's perfect. C'mon." Dick took her hand into his.
 >tbc<

======
 Catherine and Diego were dancing near Dick and Anya. Cat poked Diego's
rib and whispered.   "Look at those two would you, I think cupid's arrow had
hit it's mark!"

Diego looked at the young couple and then into Catherine's eyes.
"Well you know Cupid! He could be anywhere!"
Cat laughed as Diego whispered that into her ear and she kissed him
litely on the cheek.

Meanwhile#####################################
Perry and Dan were playing darts, Mayson and Ramone were dancing.
It was a lovely Monday in Gotham and the people from Metropolis were
unaware of the things to come.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: uh oh...here comes trouble!

Luthor was quaking with anger. He moved over to Clark as Nigel bent to
help Lois. Lex took Clark's collar into his hand, and hoisted him
against the wall. "If I could, I would kill you right here and now for
that.."

"Get out of my way!" Clark yelled as he almost ripped the shirt right
off his back. He knocked Nigel over to the side and bent down to check
up on Lois.

"Lois, Lois, are you okay? Lois, please answer me!"
"Get away from me!" Lois spat as she slapped Clark across the face.
"Lois!?!"
"You heard her, you animal!!" Luthor ran over to Lois and Clark, pushing
Clark aside. "Lois, my dear... please be alright."

"Lex..." her voice shook as she wrapped her arms around his neck.
"Shhh... rest." Lex slowly carried her in his arms. Nigel moved to the
side of the chamber, and flipped a remote switch on the side of the
wall. A soft hiss filled the room.

"Lois, please...listen to me...Lois...I didn't mean it..Don't go with
Luthor. Please don't!"

Lois looked back and glared at Clark as he started coughing. Clark
slumped to the floor as Lois buried her face into Lex's chest.

"Well... I certainly hope he's learned his lesson. Let us be going, Miss
Lane. I promise you, he will never hurt you again." Luthor closed the
door behind him. "Nor will Superman..." he whispered under his breath.
Clark watched the door slam and he used all of his strength to break a
single window in the room and blow as much as the gas he could out into
the night air.

"Oh God, what did I do?" he cried as he slumped back to the ground and
passed out.
>tbc<

* * * *

Look for Week #56 coming to a PC near you!

Enjoy!

Alexis ;-.)

"Wait a minute.  How do I find you?" (Lois)
"I'll be around."  (Superman)
{LnC, Pilot}
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At 11:21 AM 12/03/2000 -0800, you wrote:

[snip problem]

>Reinstalled Word  2000 twice.

After writing such a competent answer before, I feel compelled to write to
say
that I personally don't know a thing about Word2000... :\  We haven't
upgraded
since Word97 & Win98 are doing okay for us, at work & at home...

My best advice then is to run to your window and scream "Help! Jimmy!"

Debby
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In a message dated 12/4/00 3:17:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
huitziln@CAIS.NET writes:

> My best advice then is to run to your window and scream "Help! Jimmy!"
>
>

ROTFLOL, Debbie!    You definitely brought a smile to my face this am.
Kate
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From:         JaT <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM>
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I personally don't have any problem with feedback
on punctuation.  As Elisabeth, Bethy Em [Hi Bethy
:D ] and K. Brown will be more than happy to tell
you, my grasp of the technical aspects of writing
and punctuation are so lacking as to be
laughable.  I want my work to read smoothly and
will probably take advantage of the option to
re-submit my stories if ANYONE where to tell me
that even a single semi-colon was out a place.
[It is true that I am totally AR about my writing
technique. :)) ]

Plot questions or holes I deal with as best I
can.  Sometimes it is as simple as "That's how it
works in my story." but even then I will go back
and slip some sort of explaination into the story
to clarify that point.

I agree that I prefer suggestions to "This
sucks!"

James.

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World's Wisdom (a bumper sticker): He who dies with the most toys wins.
God's Wisdom (Luke 12:15b): Be careful and guard against all kinds of greed.
Life is not measured by how much one owns. NCV

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WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC
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> My best advice then is to run to your window and scream "Help! Jimmy!"
Ain't it the truth!  Debby, you're a hoot. I'm down there ROTFL with Kate.
I still haven't found the solution, but I'm not so grumpy any more.  :)
Jude
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I'd like to add a web based trivia section to the new web site. Perhaps for
questions about Lois & Clark that reflect the show *and* the fanfic.

I'm interested in getting some feedback on the idea. You can check out a
sample quiz at:

www.annesplace.net/cgi-bin/quiz/quiz.cgi

Where is says user name, you can type anyname you want. You do not have to
register to take the quiz. It uses your username to list the top scorers.

Also, if anyone would like to submit trivia questions, please don't hesitate
to send them to amciotola@aol.com. Please put "Trivia Questions" in the
topic
and be sure to include the correct answer. <g>

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Hi,

I must admit that I wouldn't mind a 'quibble' about my stories.  Not
everyone has the same taste and, in fact, not everyone sees the same thin=
gs
in a story.  And I believe that any author appreciates the time that a
reader takes to send fdk - - it means that you cared enough about the sto=
ry
to comment.  Once a story reaches the archive it might be to late to
change, but it might give the writer some thoughts on future stories,
especially if it is a quibble about characterisation or plotline.

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At 10:05 AM 12/04/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>> My best advice then is to run to your window and scream "Help! Jimmy!"
>Ain't it the truth!  Debby, you're a hoot. I'm down there ROTFL with Kate.
>I still haven't found the solution, but I'm not so grumpy any more.  :)
>Jude

I do wish I could help with your problem (Jimmy being busy trying to get a
date, any date) (or let's not get into dates again...). But even in Word97,
with its propensity to repaginate large pages if one sneezes in the
direction
of the screen, it's hard to say what to do with automatic page number.  I'd
say
if you know the exact number of pages, just manually type

         Page X of 197

and instead of X plug in the code (it's probably a field code) for page
numbering only (maybe you could look under your choice of field codes and
see
what it says there). If the number of pages changes, you'll how many it is
before you reprint anyhow, so just go in and change "197" to "362" or
whatever
and reprint.... unless it repaginates just before it sends the sucker to the
printer and you'll have to get Lois to punish the system... (let's not tempt
Clark to be naugthy and fry any parts with heat vision).

Me, I just put "Dawning Part 89, Page #" (as if...)

Debby
huitziln@cais.net
who *has* reread up through part 15...
and fixed typos, bad grammar and inconsistencies :)
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Hi all,  :)

I had a quick capitalization question for you experts out there.  :)  Since
I'm not catholic, I'm not sure about this one.  Does one capitalize "Father"
if it's before a priest's name?  Like:  father Robinson, etc.   But then,
one
*would* capitalize "Father" if it's standing alone, because it would then
become the pronoun, right?  Just wasn't sure, so I wanted to check.  <sg>

Thanks!

Erin  :)
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:01:56 -0700, Erin Klingler <erink@IDA.NET> wrote:

>I had a quick capitalization question for you experts out there.  :)  Since
>I'm not catholic, I'm not sure about this one.  Does one
capitalize "Father"
>if it's before a priest's name?  Like:  father Robinson, etc.

Hi Erin!

I'm not Roman Catholic either, but I am Irish. <g> And, yes, the correct
way to write a priest's name is 'Father Brown' etc (remember your GK
Chesterton! ;)).

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>I'm not Roman Catholic either, but I am Irish. <g> And, yes, the correct
>way to write a priest's name is 'Father Brown' etc (remember your GK
>Chesterton! ;)).
>
>
>Wendy

Thanks, Wendy!  I love the diversity of people and cultures here.  Ask
anything, and *somebody* will know the answer!  :)

Erin  :)
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Hi Erin,

I'm not Roman Catholic OR Irish, but my mother has a dear friend who is a
retired priest.  And yes indeedy, he is known as Father Greenway or more
casually, Father George.  And as an added tidbit, the title is abbreviated
as Fr.  When I send him birthday or Christmas cards, I address them to:

Fr. George Greenway
Street Address
Town, State   Zip

Hope that helps!

Marilyn
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Debby wrote:
> I do wish I could help with your problem
>I'd  say  if you know the exact number of pages, just manually type  Page X
of 197

----That's an excellent idea for printing downloaded stories, and one I
hadn't thought of.  Haven't had a chance to try it yet but I think it will
work.  Won't help when I'm writing, but since the screen shows me the
correct page x of y even if it won't print it, the printing doesn't matter.
Thanks, Debby.  You *have* helped.  :)  Jude
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>And as an added tidbit, the title is abbreviated
>as Fr.  When I send him birthday or Christmas cards, I address them to:
>
>Fr. George Greenway
>Street Address
>Town, State   Zip
>
>Hope that helps!
>
>Marilyn
>

Wow, thanks, Marilyn!  I hadn't even thought about it having its own
abbrieviation, so I'm glad to know this!  You never know what you're going
to
run across while editing a story for the Archive.  :)

Back to work editing...

Erin  :)
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Sincere apologies for the time between posts. As it finishes itself up
(almost done!) I'll repost the whole thing to the boards for comments and
feedback.

***
"Superman," Castor said dumbly. "Where did you come from?"

"Where I usually come from," Clark said shortly. "You were expecting
someone else to rescue Ms Lane?"

"I wasn't expecting anyone to 'rescue' Ms Lane," Castor looked beyond
Superman to Lois. "I thought your ties to Ms Lane had been severed by her
marriage to Clark Kent."

Inwardly pleased that a group who'd kept such tabs on Lois no longer
associated her with Superman, Clark said sternly, "I value all life;
surely you knew that."

Slowly, Castor nodded. "We did." He hesitated. "It's unfortunate, however,
that you chose to interrupt my quest."

Clark folded his arms across the S-shield on his chest. "In what way?"

Castor's voice held real regret. "Because now we will be forced to
neutralize you," he said.

Lois strode forward, her voice strident. "How do you plan to do that?"

"I really hate this," Castor said, shaking his head. "You've done so much
for the world. But we can't let you get in the way. When Beverly worked
with Mr. Luthor, she came into possession of a green rock that we kept,
just in case. If you'll recall, Ms. Lane, you were rather heavily
associated with Superman when he first arrived on the scene. We needed a
little -- insurance."

"Where is it?" Lois spat.

"You don't think I'm that stupid, do you, Ms Lane?"

"Stupid enough to tell us you have Kryptonite, Castor," Lois said
sarcastically.

Sorrowfully, Castor hung his head. "They've been taping our conversation,
Ms Lane. Tracking us. Even now, they know where I am. Oh, they won't come
to get you now; they're not ready. But neither will they come to get me."
Wrenching his head, Castor bit down hard on his back tooth. "Even Superman
can't stop this . . ."

Castor collapsed to the ground as a fast-acting poison seeped into his
tissues. Caught off-guard, they could only watch as Castor died within
seconds.

Shaken, Lois watched as Clark gently picked him up, and laid his body in
the back of the Jeep. He straightened Castor's robes, then scanned him
from head to foot with x-ray vision.

"Found it," he said quietly, before removing a wire and tracking device
from a shirt collar under Castor's robes and disabling them with a quick
burst of heat vision.

"They could be here any second," Lois said anxiously.

Clark listened. "All I hear is activity about a mile away -- cars
starting, snatches of conversation."

"We could go check it out," Lois offered. "See if it's them."

"And leave the Jeep?"

"No . . .not with Castor in it," Lois thought for a minute.

"I could go by myself --" Clark started.

"Not with Kryptonite around, you don't," Lois interrupted.

"Lois, it's unlikely they'd have that where it would hurt me, yet," Clark
reasoned.

"They've been tracking every word we say, and you don't think they'll have
the Kryptonite out yet? You know they know you can fly, right?"

Clark rolled his eyes. "I think everybody knows that, Lois."

Stubbornly, Lois glared at him. "You're not going."

He glared back. "If I'm not going, you're not going."

"Fine!"

"Fine!"

Silence reigned for a minute. Exasperated, Lois threw her hands in the
air. "Fine. We'll both go. In the Jeep."

Clark raised an eyebrow. "In the Jeep?"

"They won't be expecting that. I'll tell them I saw the error of my ways,
that I'm prepared to be Morpheus' bride. I'll bring them Castor's body. It
could work."

"You'll bring them Castor's dead body over mine," Clark muttered.

"I heard that," Lois said. "Come on, Clark. At least if we go together, I
can neutralize the Kryptonite. And you can be my back-up. In the Jeep, you
won't die because you lost altitude, either."

"Honey, don't you think they'll realize something's out of whack?
Especially if they don't see me?"

"No, they'll just figure I didn't want you hurt, and sent you away," Lois
said, reasonably. "You can hide in the back seat, under the blanket we
keep there for emergencies."

"At least, let's call Henderson before we go," Clark argued. "That way,
someone can bring in the calvary if we need it."

"Good idea," Lois said.

Clark just stared before grinning. "You _are_ Lois Lane, aren't you?"

"So I've mellowed, so sue me," Lois grinned back before placing a light
kiss on his cheek. "Thank you for rescuing me, Superman."
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In a message dated 06/12/00 15:41:03 GMT Standard Time, alauters@CSD.UWM.EDU
writes:

> Sincere apologies for the time between posts. As it finishes itself up
> (almost done!) I'll repost the whole thing to the boards for comments and
> feedback.

As far as I'm concerned (not speaking for anyone else on the list) you don't
need to be sorry.  Real Life no doubt can be a horrible thing.  Its been
messing me around for some months now and my online world has almost
disappeared.  Let alone time much Lois and Clarking.

Anyway thank you for Part 19.  I'm just grateful to all you fanfic writers
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Clark kept an ear on the activity in the distance as Lois called Henderson
and Jimmy. “We promised we’d let Jimmy in on the pics,” she reminded Clark.

“How’s he supposed to get here?” he asked her. “I’m not leaving you here
alone.”

Lois quelled him with a look as she started talking to Jimmy. “Jimmy, it’s
going down outside of Boston. Want to come get pictures?”

“Man, Lois, you know I do,” Jimmy said.

“Well, grab the traffic chopper and follow I-90. We’re off exit 403 about 10
miles north,” Lois said. “We’ve got evidence it’s dangerous for Superman to
be out here, so that’s the best I can do for you.”

“Wow,” Jimmy’s eager voice made Lois wince. “I’ll tell Perry and get the
pilot. I’m on my way!”

“See you soon.” Lois hung up and called Henderson. After explaining the
situation, Henderson agreed they needed back up.

“But you know I don’t have jurisdiction in Boston, Lois,” Henderson said. “I
’ll call the state boys and try to get there myself.”

“Thanks, Henderson,” Lois said before disconnecting and turning to Clark.
“Satisfied?”

“OK, but how are we going to explain Clark’s presence?”

“Clark’s not here,” Lois marched over to the jeep and grabbed that blanket.
“Superman is, hiding in the back seat, ready to make an appearance if
necessary.”

Clark eyed the blanket and the back seat suspiciously. “This isn’t going to
work.”

“Trust me. Besides, the calvary’s on its way, isn’t it?”

“It’ll take a good half-hour for them to get here, even by helicopter,”
Clark pointed out.

“So I’ll keep them talking, I hope,” Lois looked up at him pleadingly. “I’ve
got to find these answers, Clark.”

Unbending a little, Clark raised a hand to her cheek. “I know you do.” He
sighed. “It’s against my better judgement, but all right. If any one makes a
threatening move, though, I can’t guarantee I’ll lie still in the back
 seat.”

“You wouldn’t be the man I love if you did,” Lois conceded, smiling. “But
try, OK?”

Clark crawled under the blanket, senses on alert, as Lois shut the door
behind him and climbed into the driver’s seat. “Where to?” she asked.

“Head north, then take the first right you come to. The sounds are coming
from that direction,” Clark’s muffled voice made Lois grin a little. She
pulled out, following Clark’s mumbled instructions until she spotted a
farmhouse brimming with activity.

“Looks like we’ve got a welcoming committee,” Lois said quietly as she
pulled the Jeep into the driveway. A handful of robed people walked forward
and stood in a semi-circle. “And there’s Seifert’s BMW.” So he did know I
was following him, she sighed inwardly. I must be losing my touch.

Clark remained silent as Lois pulled into the semi-circle of hooded figures
and cut the engine. He tensed as she got out of the Jeep and faced the
members of a group who had steadily tried to guide her entire life.

Seifert stood at the center. “Welcome, Lois,” he said quietly. “Where is our
departed brother?”

“He’s in the way back.” She held out her keys, blessing the Jeep’s tinted
windows, and two of the robed figures silently took them, opened the back
hatch, and tenderly pulled out Castor’s body. The pair then took the corpse
to the house, and another two cult members took their places in the
half-circle.

Siefert intoned, “He served Morpheus. May he rest with good dreams.”

“May it be so.” A chorus of voices threw the words back. Lois shivered.

Siefert looked at Lois again. “Where is your protector?”

“I sent him away,” Lois met Siefert’s eyes. “I will not be responsible for
his death.”

“The Chosen One is wise. May her protector be safe,” Siefert said.

“May it be so.” Lois shivered again, hoping that chorus of voices meant
Clark would be safe.

Siefert gestured to his followers. “This was not the way we wanted you to
find your destiny, Lois.”

Her voice edged with sarcasm, Lois replied, “And how would you have
preferred me to find out you’ve been controlling my life? Making me lonely?
Trying to kill my mother?”

“All was the will of Morpheus,” Siefert said. “We did all to make you happy
with him.”

“I thought you loved my mother,” Lois spat.

Pain filled the green eyes. “I did. But my god called me to perform, and I
did what he bade me to do.”

“So much for free will,” Lois looked around the circle, recognizing a face
here and there. “What now?”

“You will become the bride of Morpheus,” Siefert intoned.

“May it be so.” The voices threw the words back.

“No, may it NOT be so,” Lois said. “I don’t want this. I never wanted this.
And I won’t have this. I have a husband - - ”

“Who is dead.”

“- - Who will remain my true mate until the day I die,” Lois finished. “I
will not take another husband. All of your plans and schemes are nothing to
me. How dare you destroy my family, my life! What gives you the right?”

“Morpheus gives us the right,” Siefert’s gaze grew steely. “You will comply.
Take her.”

As two of the hooded figures started for her, Lois began to run down the
driveway, back to the road. Suddenly, two helicopters crested over the
horizon, placing a spotlight on the scene as state trooper vehicles swarmed
into the area with lights and sudden sirens.

Hallelujah, Lois thought as she ran. It’s the calvary.

Knowing the danger of Kryptonite to be minimal with that many witnesses,
Superman jumped out of the car and became a blur of motion as he swooped
around the cult members, gathering them all into one mass. He picked up the
pair chasing Lois and dumped them, unceremoniously, near the rest, before
coming to stop next to her.

“You all right?” he asked.

She nodded, sucking air. “Fine.”
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As the choppers landed, the pair saw Jimmy swing to the ground, camera in
hand, closely followed by Inspector Henderson and - - to their great
surprise - - Sam Lane.

“Daddy!” Lois called. “What are you doing here?”

“Princess!” Sam stumbled as he jogged up to her, caught himself, then caught
Lois up in a hug. “I’m so glad you’re safe. I had just stopped at the Planet
to see if anybody knew where you were when Jimmy told me. I hitched a ride.”

Lois hugged him back. “I’m glad you did.”

“Superman!” Jimmy jogged over. “I thought you weren’t going to be here.”

“That was a ruse, Jimmy,” Superman said in his best superhero voice. “There
was a chance Kryptonite would be involved here, so Lois thought it best not
to advertise my presence.”

“Good thinking!” Jimmy whipped up his camera and snatched a few shots of
Lois and her father, with Superman looking on. “I’m going up to the house
now for more pictures,” he said, bouncing off.

“Superman,” Sam said, “thank you for being here.”

“You’re welcome, Sam,” he nodded to Lois. “Lois, I’ll be going now.”

“Thank you, Superman,” Lois replied demurely, with a twinkle.

“Any time.” With a whoosh, Superman left the ground, the trademark sonic
boom following. A minute later, Clark rushed up from the road to catch Lois
in an embrace. “Honey, are you OK?”

“I’m fine, Clark,” Lois snuggled into his shoulder.

“Where did you come from, son?” Sam asked.

“I hitched a ride with one of the state troopers,” Clark said, wincing
inwardly at the large hole in that story.

Sam raised an eyebrow. “I don’t know who you think you’re fooling, son. But
we won’t talk about that here.” He gestured to the crowd around them.

Lois looked hard at her father. “What do you mean by that, Daddy?”

Sam gazed at the couple with an all-too-rare expression of parental love.
“Let’s just say I’m pleased you’ve married such a super guy.”

The police gave them no time to seek better explanations. In the rush of
statements and questions, Lois barely had time to think about her father’s
statement, but in the end, she decided it didn’t matter.

In the wee small hours of the morning, after they had given their statements
and had been let go, that the issue came up again. They had driven nearly
the entire way back to Metropolis in the Jeep - - Lois sleeping in the
passenger seat, Sam in the back, and Clark driving - - when Sam spoke up.

“I know I probably startled you, Clark,” Sam said quietly. “I just wanted
you to know your secret is safe with me.”

Clark glanced at Sam in the rear-view mirror. “How did you figure it out?”

Sam snorted. “I can be a lot dense at times, but it was seeing you standing
next to Lois in that clearing, the same expression on your face you had a
couple of days ago in the hospital. The concern, the caring. It hit me like
a ton of bricks.” He paused. “Lois has never been one to trust easily. That’
s my fault  - - although these guys apparently had a hand in that - - and I
can see she put her trust in you. And I knew she loved Superman as well as
you; that was obvious the Christmas you were so sick. Why I didn’t see it
then, I don’t know.”

“We weren’t very careful, were we?” Clark said softly.

“You were in love. And Lois couldn’t hide that, with you so sick,” Sam said.

Silence reigned for a minute, then Clark sighed deeply. “It’s good to have
it in the open with family. It’s just dangerous for too many people to
 know.”

Sam nodded. “I know that. It won’t come from me. But it can be advantageous
for me to know, too, you know. I am a doctor, and you’ll likely have some
special needs at one point or another. You should have someone you trust to
help you.”

“Thank you, Sam.”

“No, thank you, Clark,” Sam said. “You’ve made an old man see the value in
his family. And made his princess happy.”

***

The Planet’s headline read “Cult comes back: Reporters foil plot.”

“I love the look of a 60-point headline,” Perry mused as he smoothed a spot
on the paste-up board. “Jimmy! Get this down to the press room.”

“On it, Chief.”

***

“You know, there’s still one question unanswered by all this,” Martha
pointed out to Lois as she set the table.

“I know,” Lois answered. “Who’s Morpheus?”

“I tend to think it was Siefert, but he’s not talking,” Clark said as he
stepped into the kitchen, still wearing the Suit after a quick patrol. He
spun quickly into Clark clothes, and reached for the stack of dishes his
mother handed him.

“But it sounds like he was acting on orders from someone else, Clark,” Lois
said. “It seemed to me he only wanted what he was ordered to do.”

The telephone rang, and Clark answered it. After a few hurried words, he
hung up. “It looks like we won’t know, now.”

“What happened?” Lois asked.

“Siefert and the other cult leaders were just found dead in their cells,”
Clark said soberly.

Lois sat abruptly down. “No way.” She stood back up just as abruptly. “-_No
way_.” She paced around the kitchen. “How could they do that?”

“I don’t know,” Clark placed a hand on her shoulder, then turned her into
his arms.

***

“William, I’m going back to California in a few days. Mom’s doing better,
and I have class,” Lucy said exasperatedly.

The blue-eyed doctor took her hands in his. “I know, Lucy. And I know
long-distance relationships are tough, but - -”

“But, nothing,” Lucy softened. “I’ve made a lot of mistakes with men in my
past, and I don’t intend to make another one. If what we feel for each other
is true, then it won’t matter where we are. And I need to put myself first.
I need to get my life on track before I get involved with someone else.”

“Lucy, I feel like I’ve known you forever. I want to be a part of your life.
And if that means waiting for you to know who you are and what you want to
do, then I’ll wait,” William caressed the hands he held. “I’ll wait as long
as I need to.”

***

Sam held Ellen’s hand and talked to her in low, soothing tones.

“Well, the kids solved it, Ellen, and you’re safe. You’re not responsible
for what happened, and we know it.”

The eye not covered by bandages shimmered with tears. Too much effort to
speak, Ellen thought. Too much effort to move. Help me, Sam.

“We love you, Ellen,” Sam said softly. “I love you.”

He leaned up and kissed her. Slowly, she responded. “Luh . . . you.”

Sam looked into her eyes and vowed, “I’ll be here for you for the rest of
your long life, and I’ll help you fight, and I’ll help you recover, because
that’s what it meant when I said ‘in sickness and health; til death do us
part.’ A stupid divorce certificate didn’t change that for me. And I mean
it, Ellen.”

Her tears fell. But this time, they were tears of healing.

The End.
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After spending my entire time on the internet with Hotmail, I've finally had
it.  If my mailbox is invaded by one more ridiculous spam mail, I swear my
computer's going out the window.  What would everyone suggest for free email
services?  I'm up for anything as long as the junk mail's minimal.

Jessi

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Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:50:56 -0700
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Jessi wrote:
>After spending my entire time on the internet with Hotmail, I've finally
had
>it.  If my mailbox is invaded by one more ridiculous spam mail, I swear my
>computer's going out the window.  What would everyone suggest for free
email
>services?  I'm up for anything as long as the junk mail's minimal.

I may not be much help, but it seems to me this is an area where we all get
stuck.  :P  The way I've heard it, the longer you've had one particular
email
addy, the more your addy gets circulated, and thus, you get more email.  My
hubby (whose had the same email addy for about 5 years) went to download his
email yesterday after a week or so of not checking it, and he had 50+
emails,
and all but *6* were junk mail!!!!!  I was appalled!!!

I don't think there really is a provider who entirely cuts out spam.  True,
you can email your ISP and report x-rated or porn emails and they will block
those senders, but other than that, I really haven't heard that there's all
that much you can do.  (I've even tried some of those 'anti-spam' fixes
through various internet sites, but I have never really noticed any
difference
in spam volume, unfortunately.  :P)

I'm sorry I wasn't any help.  If somebody else has some sure-fire method,
we'll all want to know, too.  <g>

Erin  :)
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Jessi, are you using their inbox protector/bulk mail feature?  I've found it
gets rid of a *lot* of garbage.
The filters do too.  (anything with money, sex and so forth goes directly to
my trash).  I keep a hotmail
address as a back up, and for when I have to give out an email
address--ordering online,
etc.  And so far it's worked, I never get spam at my mindspring address.
I've used yahoo's free
email and I don't get a *lot* of spam there--though a good bit seems to come
from yahoo itself!
I've found that their server is not as reliable as hotmail's.

So--try bulkmail and some filters, and get another email address (even
another hotmail one) for
strictly 'personal' email.  It works for me  :)

cerise

At 12/6/00 4:33:00 PM, you wrote:
>After spending my entire time on the internet with Hotmail, I've finally
had
>it.  If my mailbox is invaded by one more ridiculous spam mail, I swear my
>computer's going out the window.  What would everyone suggest for free
email
>services?  I'm up for anything as long as the junk mail's minimal.
>
>Jessi

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Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:08:58 EST
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Currently, I am on AOL. They give me 7 email addresses. I set the
preferences
on one to be no-mail and I use that for browsing the web. I use a 2nd just
for email I want to receive and I'm careful who I give it to.

Does hotmail or any other free account allow you to go no mail? And can you
get a 2nd free account under a different screen name? Might be the way to
go.

budmayes
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Jessi,

I switched to Yahoo from Hotmail after other problems
although I still have my Hotmail account open too.
One thing you can do is use the Bulk Mail folder.
Basically you choose to have anything that is bulk
mailed sent to a separate folder.  From there, you can
tell it that, for example, mail from THIS list isn't
junk and that will come to your regular mailbox.

If you're really bent and determined on switching,
I'll tell you that I've had very few problems with
Yahoo and none with spam mail.

Irene

--- Jessi Mounts <jessi914@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> After spending my entire time on the internet with
> Hotmail, I've finally had
> it.  If my mailbox is invaded by one more ridiculous
> spam mail, I swear my
> computer's going out the window.  What would
> everyone suggest for free email
> services?  I'm up for anything as long as the junk
> mail's minimal.
>
> Jessi
>

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I've used mail.com for well over a year now.  It's free, has a fairly large
mailbox capacity, and a better than decent junk mail filter.

JOY :)

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Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 2000 04:08:46 -0500
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Jessi, I would follow cerise's advice. I also use mindspring.com with a
Yahoo backup for
ordering.

Phil
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Jessi Mounts wrote:

> After spending my entire time on the internet with Hotmail, I've finally
had
> it.  If my mailbox is invaded by one more ridiculous spam mail, I swear my
> computer's going out the window.  What would everyone suggest for free
email
> services?  I'm up for anything as long as the junk mail's minimal.
>
> Jessi
>
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I'm in the midst of editing a fic and I keep running into this same issue.
I would really appreciate some help.

Here's an example (not from the story, btw).  Which should be used in the
blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood this but now I'm beginning
to
wonder.

Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a genuine
red-letter saint.

May or might?  and why??

Carol
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I would use might.  May just doesn't sound right.

quinn

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   C.C. Malo [SMTP:Ccmalo@AOL.COM]
        Sent:   Thursday, December 07, 2000 6:29 AM
        To:     LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
        Subject:        help with a grammar question

        I'm in the midst of editing a fic and I keep running into this same
issue.
        I would really appreciate some help.

        Here's an example (not from the story, btw).  Which should be used
in the
        blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood this but now I'm
beginning to
        wonder.

        Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a
genuine
        red-letter saint.

        May or might?  and why??

        Carol
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In a message dated 12/7/2000 6:29:59 AM Central Standard Time,
Ccmalo@AOL.COM
writes:

> Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a genuine
> red-letter saint.
>
> May or might?  and why??
>
>

Hmm....I'm not really a grammar person, so my opinion could be wrong...but I
think neither sound right there. The sentence seems to be in the past tense
("he knew"), So can't you just say "although her intentions appeared
nefarious"? Using "may" or "might" with "appeared" seems redundant. But,
then
again, we're lacking the context of a story, so I could be missing the
point.

Lorie
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My punctuation sucks, by my grammar has always been pretty decent.  I'd use
"might" here, but I haven't a clue why.

Nan

C.C. Malo wrote:

> I'm in the midst of editing a fic and I keep running into this same issue.
> I would really appreciate some help.
>
> Here's an example (not from the story, btw).  Which should be used in the
> blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood this but now I'm beginning
to
> wonder.
>
> Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a genuine
> red-letter saint.
>
> May or might?  and why??
>
> Carol
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I've been thinking about this, too, Carol.  I believe
it would be 'might' rather than 'may' because 'may' is
present tense and 'might' is, um, I've forgotten the
name of the tense, but it has to do with conjecture
rather than the statement of facts.  Is it subjective
tense?

Irene
Who is having trouble thinking straight after having
been up for most of the night with a sick child who
is, of course, sleeping quite happily right now
leaving Mom up and suffering!

--- Nancy Smith <deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> My punctuation sucks, by my grammar has always been
> pretty decent.  I'd use
> "might" here, but I haven't a clue why.
>
> Nan
>
> C.C. Malo wrote:
>
> > I'm in the midst of editing a fic and I keep
> running into this same issue.
> > I would really appreciate some help.
> >
> > Here's an example (not from the story, btw).
> Which should be used in the
> > blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood
> this but now I'm beginning to
> > wonder.
> >
> > Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious,
> he knew she was a genuine
> > red-letter saint.
> >
> > May or might?  and why??
> >
> > Carol

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Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:42:34 -0000
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Jessi,

I've found that the filters and blocking senders doesn't work well for me.
But, I agree with Cerise about getting an extra addy.  I have one that I use
to sign up for miscellaneous newsletters, etc, so that if they sell my addy,
I can cancel it later without losing *real* e-mails from friends and stuff.
I use both hotmail and yahoo, and there are pros and cons with either, so
pick what you like best.  There are also free ones at chickmail and
angelfire, but the people I know with those aren't very happy with them.

Hope this helps,

Bethy

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Subject:      Re: help with a grammar question

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:29:15 EST, C.C. Malo <Ccmalo@AOL.COM> wrote:

>Here's an example (not from the story, btw).  Which should be used in the
>blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood this but now I'm beginning
to
>wonder.
>
>Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a genuine
>red-letter saint.
>
>May or might?  and why??

Carol, for months I've thought this was a UK/US thing! I would *always*
use 'might' in that context because 'may' appears more suited to a present-
tense setting. However, so many US writers would use 'may' there that I'd
come to assume that it was another of those 'divided by the same language'
issues!

As for whether either is right, as Lorie questions, I wondered at first
whether the first part of the sentence should read 'Although her intentions
might have appeared...'. But then, that depends on whether her intentions
still appear nefarious at the time of which the narrator is speaking. <g>

Wendy
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 06:45:11 -0800 "Irene D." <sirenegold@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

> I've been thinking about this, too, Carol. I believe it would be
'might' rather than 'may' because 'may' is present tense and 'might'
is, um, I've forgotten the name of the tense, but it has to do with
conjecture rather than the statement of facts. Is it subjective tense? <

I'm with Irene, Nan and the others on this (though I don't know the
name of the correct tense, either <g>). "Might" is right here <g>
because you are postulating something in the first half of the
sentence; "might" conveys the question "if", whereas "may" is more of a
flat statement.

Phil
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Hi Carol:  It should be 'might' and I believe we're talking about the
subjunctive here.  Some time ago American sportscasters (who ever said they
knew anything about grammar) began using 'may' instead of 'might' in their
spiels (who knows why) and now people seem to think that that's the way it
should be said.  The power television has over our way of speaking is
incredible!  Jude
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Subject: help with a grammar question

> I'm in the midst of editing a fic and I keep running into this same issue.
> I would really appreciate some help.
>
> Here's an example (not from the story, btw).  Which should be used in the
> blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood this but now I'm beginning
to
> wonder.
>
> Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a genuine
> red-letter saint.
>
> May or might?  and why??
>
> Carol
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Let me jump into this discussion
Might is a modal.  In general, modals exist to introduce conditions and
attitudes into the sentence.  Might is the past form of may.  A general
rule to follow is that if the other verbs in the sentence are in the past
tense, use might.  Clark was afraid that they might never get married.
Therefore, in answer to your query:

>Although her intentions  might  appear nefarious, he knew she was a
genuine red-letter saint.

I would also consider "might have appeared" if you are looking at a
completed in the past and not anymore.  Such as:  Although her intentions
might have appeared nefarious in the past, he knew she was a genuine
red-letter saint.
Gerry

LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU,Internet writes:
>I'm in the midst of editing a fic and I keep running into this same issue.
>I would really appreciate some help.
>
>Here's an example (not from the story, btw).  Which should be used in the
>blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood this but now I'm
>beginning to
>wonder.
>
>Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a genuine
>red-letter saint.
>
>May or might?  and why??
>
>Carol
>
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I would say might... I see may as present tense, and your sentence is in
past tense. (I might also add that one of my fic pet peeves, which is
likely to toss me right out of the story, is when an author mixes past and
present tense - especially in the same sentence. GRRRRRR!!!! Must be the
former English teacher in me, but it drives me NUTS!!!)

Melisma (under her Rock, looking forward to a good grammatical discussion
today :)

At 07:29 AM 07/12/2000 EST, you wrote:
>I'm in the midst of editing a fic and I keep running into this same issue.
>I would really appreciate some help.
>
>Here's an example (not from the story, btw).  Which should be used in the
>blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood this but now I'm beginning
to
>wonder.
>
>Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a genuine
>red-letter saint.
>
>May or might?  and why??
>
>Carol
>
>
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Thank you for this explanation.  I just knew it sounded right.  Now there
are several book editors that need to get this email.  I'm reading more and
more books lately with may used where might belongs.  It drives me nuts.

quinn

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        Let me jump into this discussion
        Might is a modal.  In general, modals exist to introduce conditions
and
        attitudes into the sentence.  Might is the past form of may.  A
general
        rule to follow is that if the other verbs in the sentence are in the
past
        tense, use might.  Clark was afraid that they might never get
married.
        Therefore, in answer to your query:

        >Although her intentions  might  appear nefarious, he knew she was a
        genuine red-letter saint.

        I would also consider "might have appeared" if you are looking at a
        completed in the past and not anymore.  Such as:  Although her
intentions
        might have appeared nefarious in the past, he knew she was a genuine
        red-letter saint.
        Gerry

        LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU,Internet writes:
        >I'm in the midst of editing a fic and I keep running into this same
issue.
        >I would really appreciate some help.
        >
        >Here's an example (not from the story, btw).  Which should be used
in the
        >blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood this but now I'm
        >beginning to
        >wonder.
        >
        >Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a
genuine
        >red-letter saint.
        >
        >May or might?  and why??
        >
        >Carol
        >
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Wendy Richards wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:29:15 EST, C.C. Malo <Ccmalo@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> >Here's an example (not from the story, btw).  Which should be used in the
> >blank -- may or might?   I thought I understood this but now I'm
beginning
> to
> >wonder.
> >
> >Although her intentions  ____  appear nefarious, he knew she was a
genuine
> >red-letter saint.
> >
> >May or might?  and why??
>
> Carol, for months I've thought this was a UK/US thing! I would *always*
> use 'might' in that context because 'may' appears more suited to a
present-
> tense setting. However, so many US writers would use 'may' there that I'd
> come to assume that it was another of those 'divided by the same language'
> issues!

Hope I'm not too late on this one. Being a non-native speaker I just checked
my trusted Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary and it lists might
as
the past form of may.

Avia
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:25:53 -0500, Gerry Anklewicz <
Gerry.Anklewicz@NTEL.TDSB.ON.CA> wrote:

>Might is the past form of may.  A general
>rule to follow is that if the other verbs in the sentence are in the past
>tense, use might.

This is my favorite thing about this list, that we can get answers like
this.
I agree with another poster -- I would have used "might" but I couldn't
explain why. It's great to get the rule that explains it.

As for the "present tense" pet peeve, I completely agree, though thankfully,
it's fairly rare in L&C fanfic.  Hopefully it's fairly rare in "real life".
too, but you never know -- my husband and I just finished grading term
papers
for his Astronomy class last week, and just one of the students wrote his
paper in present tense.  Needless to say, Jim graded him down for it (it's
not an English class, but still!) and THE GUY ARGUED WITH HIM!  He insisted
that he'd been told by every English professor he'd ever had that you always
write papers in present tense.  To Jim's credit, he declined to make a
comment about our English faculty here <g>, and just told the young man that
he'd either been taught wrong or he'd learned it wrong, but regardless, it
was *wrong*.   Sheesh!  (I still think Jim should have told him that he was
right, and the other 49 students who all wrote in past tense were obviously
idiots. ;))

Kathy
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In a message dated 12/07/2000 11:13:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< Carol, for months I've thought this was a UK/US thing! I would *always*
 use 'might' in that context because 'may' appears more suited to a present-
 tense setting. However, so many US writers would use 'may' there that I'd
 come to assume that it was another of those 'divided by the same language'
 issues! >>

Poor Wendy. Here in the US there are obviously so many of us with no grammar
skills that she has totally got the wrong impression of what is really
correct. <g>

--Laurie
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:32:13 EST, No Name Available <Larus2407@AOL.COM>
wrote:

>Poor Wendy. Here in the US there are obviously so many of us with no
grammar
>skills that she has totally got the wrong impression of what is really
>correct. <g>

Ouch! <g> Sorry, Laurie; it's just that there *are* so many differences
which are actually correct in US-speak, and I'm still learning them. For
instance, when I'm editing for someone who writes in American, I've now
stopped trying to insert an indefinate article into a sentence where
someone is in serious condition, and learned not to *remove* the definite
article from 'going to the hospital'. I've also learned that if I'm told
that someone takes something in stride there isn't a word missing. I now
know when American should use 'any more' as opposed to 'anymore', and that
you tend to call certain items by their brand name rather than a generic
name which nobody seem to know anyway. :)

So it is sort of difficult, when I see the same glitch occurring over and
over in stories by many different people - and even in published US
fiction - to know when it's an error and when it's just American
variance! ;)

Now, all I need is for someone to explain to me when Americans use hyphens
and when they don't... <g>

Wendy
(who still stubbornly writes in UK English spelling and grammar, and even
sometimes vocabulary :))
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Well, I need someone to tell me when words I had always hyphenated stopped
being hyphenated.  And who decided it was ok to stop?????

quinn

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        On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:32:13 EST, No Name Available
<Larus2407@AOL.COM>
        wrote:

        >Poor Wendy. Here in the US there are obviously so many of us with
no
        grammar
        >skills that she has totally got the wrong impression of what is
really
        >correct. <g>

        Ouch! <g> Sorry, Laurie; it's just that there *are* so many
differences
        which are actually correct in US-speak, and I'm still learning them.
For
        instance, when I'm editing for someone who writes in American, I've
now
        stopped trying to insert an indefinate article into a sentence where
        someone is in serious condition, and learned not to *remove* the
definite
        article from 'going to the hospital'. I've also learned that if I'm
told
        that someone takes something in stride there isn't a word missing. I
now
        know when American should use 'any more' as opposed to 'anymore',
and that
        you tend to call certain items by their brand name rather than a
generic
        name which nobody seem to know anyway. :)

        So it is sort of difficult, when I see the same glitch occurring
over and
        over in stories by many different people - and even in published US
        fiction - to know when it's an error and when it's just American
        variance! ;)

        Now, all I need is for someone to explain to me when Americans use
hyphens
        and when they don't... <g>

        Wendy
        (who still stubbornly writes in UK English spelling and grammar, and
even
        sometimes vocabulary :))
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        wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk
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Carol asked for help on a grammar question.

"Although her intentions=A0 ____=A0 appear nefarious, he knew she was a
genu=
ine
red-letter saint."

"May" or "might"?
In some cases,  one could say "may appear" or "might appear," but in this=20
particular case,  Phil was correct. "Might have" is the correct form of
the=20
verb because we have a condition contrary to fact.  All three forms are
moda=
l=20
auxiliaries which turn the verb "appear" into the subjunctive.    "May"
and=20
"might" differ in intensity, not in time when used as modal auxiliaries
to=20
make the subjunctive.  They can both refer to present or future time.
Since=
=20
this sentence is in the past tense, you have to use the past perfect=20
subjunctive, or "might have appeared."

Hope that clears up the form and the reason for it.

In a message dated 12/7/00 3:05:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes:

> just one of the students wrote his paper in present tense.  Needless to
sa=
y,=20
> Jim graded him down for it (it's not an English class, but still!) and
THE=
=20
> GUY ARGUED WITH HIM!  He insisted that he'd been told by every English=20
> professor he'd ever had that you always write papers in present tense.
To=
=20
> Jim's credit, he declined to make a comment about our English faculty
here=
 <
> g>, and just told the young man that he'd either been taught wrong or
he'd=
=20
> learned it wrong, but regardless, it
> was *wrong*.   Sheesh!  (I still think Jim should have told him that he
wa=
s
> right, and the other 49 students who all wrote in past tense were
obviousl=
y
> idiots. ;))
>=20

Not knowing what the topic was, or the type of paper you were grading, I=20
can't really tell you if the student was right or wrong.  What I can tell=20
you, as a former English teacher and current French teacher, is that=20
sometimes you *do* write papers in English class in the present tense.
When=
=20
one is writing about literature, one uses the present tense.  For
example:=20
"In his comedies, Shakespeare uses both farce and satire to evoke
laughter=20
from the audience."  Now, Shakespeare has been dead for hundreds of
years,=20
but the works still exist in the present time, so one uses  the present=20
tense.  Another example:  "In 'A Christmas Carol,' Scrooge has nightmares
in=
=20
which he is visited by three ghosts."  Every time someone reads the
story,=20
Scrooge has nightmares, so again, we use the present tense.

That said, if the young man were writing a research paper for his
astronomy=20
class and was discussing the work of Copernicus, he should have used the
pas=
t=20
tense.  "Copernicus was persecuted by the Inquisition for his belief that
th=
e=20
earth revolves around the sun."  If he were writing a research paper for
his=
=20
English class, he might actually have to use both past and present tense
in=20
it.

My guess is the young man had gotten half the message from his English=20
teachers.

Ann

   =20
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In a message dated 12/7/00 4:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

> Now, all I need is for someone to explain to me when Americans use hyphens
> and when they don't... <g>
>
>
>

When they feel like it.  <G>

Actually, we use hyphens to connect compound nouns and to divide a word at
the end of a line.  (Although I have noticed that with the rise of
word-processing on computers, very few people actually split words at the
end
of a line any more.)

1. in compound numbers between twenty-one and ninety-nine
2. in spelled-out fractions  one-fifth, one-half
3. in certain compound words ( brother-in-law, self-restraint)
4. between the words that make up a compound adjective when the modifier is
used
    before a noun.  ( a well-informed candidate, but: the candidat was well
informed )
5. in compounds when the second word is capitalized or a date: pre-Civil
War,
post-
    1945
6. to distinguish compounds from homonyms or to avoid confusion : re-cover
or
    recover

I'm curious now.  Is UK usage different on hyphens, Wendy?

Ann
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In a message dated 12/7/00 5:01:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, cornwall@WC.EDU
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> Well, I need someone to tell me when words I had always hyphenated stopped
> being hyphenated.  And who decided it was ok to stop?????
>
>

Which words are those?

Ann
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What a treat!  When Gerry and Ann speak, everyone listens because they are
definitely experts.

Wendy wrote:  Now, all I need is for someone to explain to me when Americans
use hyphens
and when they don't... <g>

----Wouldn't we all like to know the why and wherefore of that one.  I
usually just let my spell checker tell me, although it is frequently wrong
about other things, and sometimes I fight with it about this one.    :)
Jude
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In a message dated 12/7/00 5:45:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

> When Gerry and Ann speak, everyone listens because they are
> definitely experts.
>
>

Well, I'm not sure if I'm an expert, but I do have decent reference tools
and
research skills.  :)

Ann
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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:37:40 EST, Ann E. McBride <Aerm1@AOL.COM> wrote:

>>
>I'm curious now.  Is UK usage different on hyphens, Wendy?
>

No - but US usage certainly is! <g> I've lost count of the number of times
when I've suggested hyphens for compound words - including numbers - (and
thanks for the technical term) and the writer has told me that 'we don't
use those hhere'. In the end, since almost no US writer uses a hyphen in
most places where *I* would use it, and since several had told me that US
practice is obviously different, I gave up recommending them. :P~~~

And yet the rules you cite certainly seem identical to the ones I am used
to following!

Wendy
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Thanks for all the replies to my query.  I was beginning to think I'd
imagined the use of might. :)

<<Carol, for months I've thought this was a UK/US thing! I would *always*
use 'might' in that context because 'may' appears more suited to a present-
tense setting. However, so many US writers would use 'may' there that I'd
come to assume that it was another of those 'divided by the same language'
issues!>>   I must admit I was beginning to wonder, too, because I've seen
it
so often.  (like  'gotten' <g>)  But that clearly is not the case.  Gerry
and
Ann, thank you for the wonderful explanations of why 'might' is correct
here.
 Jude, interesting to note that the proliferation of 'may' in this situation
can be attributed to sportscasters.

The hyphen question was useful, too  :)

Now what about the use of "that" as opposed to "who" to begin a subordinate
adjectival clause following a noun or pronoun like woman, man, person, he,
she, etc.?  I would use "who"  but is this a 'rule' or is it just my
personal
preference?

Again, thanks very much for your help :)  Back to editing.  Then I'm going
to
reread my old high school grammar text.

Carol
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In a message dated 12/07/2000 6:53:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< And yet the rules you cite certainly seem identical to the ones I am used
 to following! >>

and you thought my reply was a joke? LOL That's what I meant--we use the
same
rules but are just ignorant of them over here.

--Laurie
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In a message dated 12/7/00 7:27:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ccmalo@AOL.COM
writes:

> Now what about the use of "that" as opposed to "who" to begin a
subordinate
> adjectival clause following a noun or pronoun like woman, man, person, he,
> she, etc.?  I would use "who"  but is this a 'rule' or is it just my
> personal
> preference?
>
> Again, thanks very much for your help :)  Back to editing.  Then I'm going
> to
> reread my old high school grammar text.
>
>

Well, I'm going to use my son's high school grammar text on this one. :)

Who, which, and that are all relative pronouns and introduce adjectival,
noun, and adverbial clauses.  Nevertheless, there are rules about which one
to use in specific circumstances.

"Who" can only be used to refer to a person.  It must be the subject of the
relative clause.  In an adjectival clause, it is generally used to introduce
a nonrestrictive or nonessential clause, i.e. a clause that provides
incidental or nonessential information about the antecedent ( the noun or
pronoun it represents).  "Who" can, however, introduce a restrictive or
essential clause, giving information that is necessary for full
comprehension
of the sentence.

"Which" is only used for things.  It is used *only* in nonrestrictive or
nonessential clauses.

"That" is used for both people and things in restrictive or essential
clauses.  While one can use "who" to introduce a restrictive clause
referring
to a person, "that" is preferred in American usage in this situation.
Restrictive or essential clauses are never set off by commas.

One of the sticky points about all of this is that deciding whether a clause
is essential or not is sometimes a bit ambiguous.  You have to look at the
intended meaning of the sentence.  And if you didn't write the sentence, you
may have a different opinion than the writer.

Pop quiz:  Choose which relative pronoun to use in the following sentences
and decide if you need commas.  Retype the sentence using the correct
relative pronoun and adding any necessary commas.

1. Clark Kent  (who , that) loved Lois Lane was also Superman.

2. Lois ( who, that ) was a reporter loved Clark.

3. The Daily Planet ( which, that ) was a great metropolitan newspaper
employed both of them.

4. Perry White ( who, that ) was a huge Elvis fan was like a father to both
reporters.

5. The Superman suit ( that, which ) Clark wore was made by his mother.

Answers tomorrow.

Ann
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Well here's my take on the quiz:

> 1. Clark Kent,  who loved Lois Lane, was also Superman.
> 2. Lois, who was a reporter,  loved Clark.
> 3. The Daily Planet, which was a great metropolitan newspaper,
> employed both of them.
> 4. Perry White,  who was a huge Elvis fan, was like a father to both
> reporters.
> 5. The Superman suit  that Clark wore was made by his mother.

As usual, I am prepared to defend my errors!  :)  Jude
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Following this thread, and feeling like a complete idiot... <g>

Ann wrote:
>Who, which, and that are all relative pronouns and introduce adjectival,
noun, and adverbial clauses.  Nevertheless, there are rules about which one
to use in specific circumstances.

"Who" can only be used to refer to a person.  It must be the subject of the
relative clause.  In an adjectival clause, it is generally used to introduce
a nonrestrictive or nonessential clause, i.e. a clause that provides
incidental or nonessential information about the antecedent ( the noun or
pronoun it represents).  "Who" can, however, introduce a restrictive or
essential clause, giving information that is necessary for full
comprehension
of the sentence. <<

"AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"  Am I the only one here who feels like me, that
English is now more like my FOURTH language?  <g>  Adjectival, noun and
adverbial clauses?  What the heck???  WHY oh, *why* couldn't we have had two
more Germans to vote for the German language when our country was being
formed?  German HAS to be easier than English, for cryin' out loud.  <vbg>

I may as well chuck my English rules referrence book into the garbage can,
since there's not enough years in my lifetime to understand all this stuff.
:)

Now, I *know* I just bought a brand new bottle of Advil...where is that
darned
thing? <g>

Erin  :)
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