From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG0010B" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:25:29 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kristin Olsen-Molnar Subject: Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. I have been working on a story and i was wondering who i sent it to to see if it could go on the list, or the archive or wherever it would go. I know it would have to be ok'd because it does have some graphic parts to it. thanks everyone! :) -Teri44isme@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 14:50:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Kristin -- You might want to check out the FAQ files on the archive, there's one that covers submitting stories to the archive itself (http://lcfanfic.com/faq_archive.html) and one that covers sending stories to this listserv (http://lcfanfic.com/faq_listserv.html). But what does "some graphic parts" mean? At first I thought you meant you had graphics (pictures) in it, and neither the list nor the archive are set up to handle anything besides text. If you mean violence, you'll need to post a violence warning at the very least, and your archive editor might decide the story is too much for family consumption (the archive doesn't host stories rated higher than PG-13) (ratings explained here: http://lcfanfic.com/faq_ratings.html). If you mean sex, then we're talking nfic ... see the first two faqs to find out how to handle that :) And congrats on getting a story (nearly) ready to go! That's always an exciting point to reach :) Kristin Olsen-Molnar wrote: > > Hi all. I have been working on a story and i was wondering who i sent it to > to see if it could go on the list, or the archive or wherever it would go. I > know it would have to be ok'd because it does have some graphic parts to it. > thanks everyone! :) > -Teri44isme@aol.com -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "I am still confident of this: I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord." --Psalm 27:13-14 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:18:52 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: "ADITLOM" (RPG) Forty-Sixth Installment, Week #47 (Part 1 of 1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the forty-sixth installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day in the Life of Metropolis." Go to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aditlom Public and private feedback welcomed! =) ===================== Cast List: Lois Lane: Alexis W. Clark Kent: Alexis W. Bruce Wayne: Sam F. * * * * WEEK #47 (10/2 TO 10/8) Re: Wayne Enterprises Lois watched Bruce walk towards the bathrooms. "Good, he's going in the other direction," she said to herself. "Do you even know where his office is located?" Clark asked as the pair started up a huge staircase. "How hard could it be?" Lois paused as she rolled her eyes at her partner. "All we have to do is follow the signs..." Lois and Clark continued down the hallway until they got to a door with the name Bruce Wayne printed across it. "This must be it," Lois said as she turned the doorknob. "And hmm...it's unlocked! What luck!" She walked through the door and started rummaging through the papers on his desk. "I have a feeling Bruce is hiding something from us and I want to get to the bottom of it!" she exclaimed. "Kinda like I want to get to the bottom of that kiss you and Mr. Loverboy shared..." Clark commented. "Oh my God..." Lois said in shock. "Oops." "How in the hell did you know that Bruce and I...um I mean...what makes you think that Bruce and I kissed?" Lois uncomfortably said as she sat down in a chair. "Oh, come on Lois! It was fairly obvious! You two were smooching out in broad daylight. Anyone could have seen it. And let's hope not just anyone saw it if you know what I mean." "Clark Kent! You can be so frustrating at times...no, no, I take that back! You are so frustrating at all times!" "Lois, calm down. I was only trying to tell you that you were lucky you weren't caught," Clark said as he walked over towards her. "Tell me something," he said as he straddled himself on her lap, "who's the better kisser?" "What in the hell are you doing?!?" Lois exclaimed as she felt Clark's strong legs wrap around her waist. "Lois, you're avoiding my question," he laughed. "Was Bruce a better kisser than myself?" "CLARK!!!" "Maybe I need to refresh your memory," Clark said as he ran his hand down her cheek. "Kent, if this is your idea of a joke it's not very...ummf!" "Shhh..." Clark hushed her as he laid his finger upon her lips. "Clark, what the heck are we doing here? What the heck is going on between the both of us?" she mumbled. "I don't know..." his voice trailed off as their lips met. Lois' lips tingled with Clark's passion. She could feel him going deeper and deeper into her mouth. "Oh Clark..." she moaned. "What the hell are we doing?" she mumbled. "Mmm..." Clark groaned as he ran his hands down her back. "Clark..." she whispered. The pair were so involved in each other, that they didn't notice the office door opening. >tbc< ====== Re: Wayne Enterprises Bruce left Fox's office, and he headed to his own. As he approached the door he thought he could hear voices coming from inside. He reached out and turned the handle. As the door opened he noticed two people sitting in his chair. After a few seconds he realized that was Lois and Clark, kissing! "What in the hell are you doing in my chair?" he asked. As he said chair he realized his mistake. *Sh*t!* Lois and Clark looked up to see Bruce Wayne standing in the doorway. But before they could say anything, the chair gave way and they suddenly found their bodies being thrown down an underground shoot. "AHHHH....!!!!!" they both screamed. >tbc< * * * * Look for Week #48 coming to a PC near you! Enjoy! PS. Sorry so short! I've been busy with other things. Alexis ;-.) "When you play Superman for four years, everyone knows you as Superman, so in order to change that perception, you have to go away for a while, then almost reinvent yourself." - Dean Cain ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:45:38 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: "ADITLOM" (RPG) Forty-Sixth Installment, Week #47 (Part 1 of 1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alexis et al This was a good installment - seems thing are heating up between L & C - and we uncover a secret? more soon please merry "Alexis W." wrote: > This is the forty-sixth installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day in the > Life of Metropolis." > > Go to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aditlom > > Public and private feedback welcomed! =) > > ===================== > Cast List: > > Lois Lane: Alexis W. > Clark Kent: Alexis W. > Bruce Wayne: Sam F. > > * * * * > WEEK #47 > (10/2 TO 10/8) > > Re: Wayne Enterprises > > Lois watched Bruce walk towards the bathrooms. > "Good, he's going in the other direction," she said to herself. > "Do you even know where his office is located?" Clark asked as the pair > started up a huge staircase. > "How hard could it be?" Lois paused as she rolled her eyes at her > partner. "All we have to do is follow the signs..." > > Lois and Clark continued down the hallway until they got to a door with > the name Bruce Wayne printed across it. > > "This must be it," Lois said as she turned the doorknob. "And hmm...it's > unlocked! What luck!" > > She walked through the door and started rummaging through the papers on > his desk. "I have a feeling Bruce is hiding something from us and I want > to get to the bottom of it!" she exclaimed. > > "Kinda like I want to get to the bottom of that kiss you and Mr. > Loverboy shared..." Clark commented. > "Oh my God..." Lois said in shock. > "Oops." > "How in the hell did you know that Bruce and I...um I mean...what makes > you think that Bruce and I kissed?" Lois uncomfortably said as she sat > down in a chair. > > "Oh, come on Lois! It was fairly obvious! You two were smooching out in > broad daylight. Anyone could have seen it. And let's hope not just > anyone saw it if you know what I mean." > > "Clark Kent! You can be so frustrating at times...no, no, I take that > back! You are so frustrating at all times!" > > "Lois, calm down. I was only trying to tell you that you were lucky you > weren't caught," Clark said as he walked over towards her. "Tell me > something," he said as he straddled himself on her lap, "who's the > better kisser?" > > "What in the hell are you doing?!?" Lois exclaimed as she felt Clark's > strong legs wrap around her waist. > > "Lois, you're avoiding my question," he laughed. "Was Bruce a better > kisser than myself?" > > "CLARK!!!" > "Maybe I need to refresh your memory," Clark said as he ran his hand > down her cheek. > > "Kent, if this is your idea of a joke it's not very...ummf!" > "Shhh..." Clark hushed her as he laid his finger upon her lips. > "Clark, what the heck are we doing here? What the heck is going on > between the both of us?" she mumbled. > > "I don't know..." his voice trailed off as their lips met. > Lois' lips tingled with Clark's passion. She could feel him going deeper > and deeper into her mouth. > > "Oh Clark..." she moaned. "What the hell are we doing?" she mumbled. > "Mmm..." Clark groaned as he ran his hands down her back. > "Clark..." she whispered. > The pair were so involved in each other, that they didn't notice the > office door opening. > >tbc< > ====== > Re: Wayne Enterprises > > Bruce left Fox's office, and he headed to his own. As he approached the door > he thought he could hear voices coming from inside. He reached out and > turned the handle. As the door opened he noticed two people sitting in his > chair. > After a few seconds he realized that was Lois and Clark, kissing! > > "What in the hell are you doing in my chair?" he asked. As he said chair > he realized his mistake. *Sh*t!* > > Lois and Clark looked up to see Bruce Wayne standing in the doorway. But > before they could say anything, the chair gave way and they suddenly > found their bodies being thrown down an underground shoot. > "AHHHH....!!!!!" they both screamed. > >tbc< > > * * * * > Look for Week #48 coming to a PC near you! > > Enjoy! > > PS. Sorry so short! I've been busy with other things. > > Alexis ;-.) > > "When you play Superman for four years, everyone knows you as Superman, so in > order to change that perception, you have to go away for a while, then almost > reinvent yourself." - Dean Cain ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:16:18 GMT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marilyn Puett Subject: Re: Clark.doc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Vicki, Thanks for taking the time to send feedback. We writers do appreciate it. I'm glad that you enjoyed the story. As for typos, well.......you know Lois. She'd at least run it through spell-check! Have a SUPER day! Marilyn >From: Vicki Krell >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: Clark.doc >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:19:29 -0700 > >Marilyn, this was a wonderful story! The letter was just perfect. I enjoyed >it very much. :) And gee, Lois didn't even make any typos in her rage and >haste. ;) > >Vicki _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:51:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: Clark.doc Sorry to have posted this here. I thought I was sending it to Vicki's email. Ah well......just another manic Monday! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:23:12 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Samantha Kegan Subject: OT: Time? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I've come out of lurkdom to ask a quick question. Where is it that ye who write find the time? Time, for me, is hard to come by, maybe it's marching band that takes it all. Just curious. Sami Kegan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:26:13 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: Time? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find my time to write in between classes! If I'm in a really big writing mood, sometimes I even write during the lectures! I know..I know it's bad but when you're a writer, nothing much else matters to you. Lately, since I'm back in school and i really need to raise my grades, LOL! I find time to do it after class or during little spurts during the weekend. I hope this helps! Alexis ;-.D "When you play Superman for four years, everyone knows you as Superman, so in order to change that perception, you have to go away for a while, then almost reinvent yourself." - Dean Cain ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:32:51 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Very on Topic (was OT: Time?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii First of all this is definitely not off topic. I usually write during lunch hour or while I am processing a long computer process. Often time Elisabeth and I will spell each other watching RoseMary while the other writes. Or on of us will run the VCR over and over and over again while the other transcribes what they need for that segment of their story. It also helps if you know what your going to write before you write it. I think for months about some posts that far away so that I can make what I am doing now get there. I hope that helped. P.S. For those of you that are waiting for 7DoS to be finished I think I can get it done in 12 more posts and should be done for this years Kerths. James --- Samantha Kegan wrote: > I've come out of lurkdom to ask a quick > question. Where is it that ye who > write find the time? Time, for me, is hard to > come by, maybe it's marching > band that takes it all. Just curious. > > Sami Kegan > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail > at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your > own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:19:51 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: OT: Time? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting question, Sami. I find time by ignoring those tasks that could best be described as optional. You know, like making dinner or doing laundry, or cleaning the house. (Although the kids get pretty cranky when they don't have clean clothes to wear!) Seriously, if you want to do it enough, you'll find the time. I usually do a lot of my plotting while I'm busy doing other things like the aforementioned cooking, laundry or cleaning. As well, I do a lot of driving in my job or with my kids' activities, so I take that time to think about what I want to write. Then it doesn't take as much time to get the ideas down on the screen. Irene (I don't recommend thinking about your fics during band however. I have this vision of the band marching one way and you heading the other, moving to your own beat. Not a pretty sight!) --- Samantha Kegan wrote: > I've come out of lurkdom to ask a quick question. > Where is it that ye who > write find the time? Time, for me, is hard to come > by, maybe it's marching > band that takes it all. Just curious. > > Sami Kegan > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:21:53 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: OT: Time? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/09/2000 2:20:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes: << I find time by ignoring those tasks that could best be described as optional. You know, like making dinner or doing laundry, or cleaning the house. (Although the kids get pretty cranky when they don't have clean clothes to wear!) >> Well, your kids may get cranky, Irene, but we folcs very much appreciate you taking the time to write. :) --Laurie (Irene's #1 fan) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:46:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: Very on Topic (was OT: Time?) I agree that this is a very "on topic" discussion. Whether you are busy with school, job, or family (or in many cases some combination of all three), time is your most precious commodity. I've learned what things are important to me and what aren't (i.e. watching soap operas). I do just enough housework to keep one step ahead of the health department. And I've recently started hounding my son to do his own laundry, telling him that he needs to learn because next year he will be in college and mommy won't be there to do it for him. I know that won't work if you have a 3 year old! My mind works in a mysterious way and I often find snippets of dialogue or a plot idea popping into my head at the most unusual time or place. So I've learned to keep paper and pen handy all over the house, in the car, and in my purse. I keep a notebook that I write outlines in. And it also contains lots of little scraps of paper from when my muse strikes with some idea! Putting them all together is like assembling a massive jigsaw puzzle sometimes. I think you'll hear one thing over and over again from the different writers here: if you want to do it badly enough, you'll find the time. Any book on time management will tell you that -- regardless of what it is that you want to accomplish. Good luck! Supermom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:24:05 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Elizabeth Reid Subject: Re: Vocabulary Quiz No. 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: No Name Available To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: 19 September 2000 01:58 Subject: Re: Vocabulary Quiz No. 1 >In a message dated 09/18/2000 3:21:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes: > ><< S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > S > P > A > C > E > > > > back garden - back yard > > chips (food) - french fries > > crisps - potato chips > > polo-neck - turtleneck? > > mad - crazy > > skip (noun) - no idea > > tights - pantyhose > > pavement - well, we call it pavement in Canada, too, > but the surface of a road > > and in the U.S. we also often say pavement... > > > biscuit - cookie > > handbag - also called handbags here, but more > commonly referred to as a purse > >also the term handbag is common here... > > > suspender belt - suspenders > > soft drink - soft drink (g) or pop > >this is common in the U.S. too... > > > court shoes - tennis shoes? > > lift (noun) - elevator > > squaddy (noun) - no idea - really looking forward to > finding out. > > >> > >--Laurie, who is also looking foward to teh meaning of squaddy > >I'm not sure if this topic is finished with, but I think that the meaning of the word 'squaddy' refers to a raw recruit or infantry man in the military. Liz ereid@iol.ie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:56:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: OT: Time? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do I find time to write? Well, sometimes, I don't :) But that's a matter of discipline, I think -- it's harder to write when you're not brimming over with inspiration. I get times when the story is absolutely bursting out of me and I've got lines of dailog and narrative bubbling up in my head almost faster than I can transcribe them (love those moments!). If I can't get to the keyboard right away (or write it down in one of the many notebooks I buy for the purpose) I'll try to get there as soon as humanly possible (as Irene said, laundry and dishes be damned). But most of the time, I don't feel that compelled, and it's a matter of making myself sit down to write. Basically, if it's important enough to you, you'll *create* time in your schedule, somehow. Maybe that means you write while you eat or you give up another activity (or you wait until your kids are old enough to go to school ) or you banish your husband to the other room for the evening (be careful not to do this one too often, though, or it could get you in trouble ) PJ -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "I am still confident of this: I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord." --Psalm 27:13-14 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:45:34 CDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jessi Mounts Subject: Re: OT: Time? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Irene said: >(I don't recommend thinking about your fics during >band however. I have this vision of the band marching >one way and you heading the other, moving to your own >beat. Not a pretty sight!) I'll second that. I'll tell you from experience, it's a very bad idea. Not in an actual performance, thank goodness, but many times I've been left wondering where everyone's going while I stand there and come up with the perfect line for Clark. I've begun to develop a reputation for ditsyness in band. Jessi jessi914@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 16:06:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: alauters Subject: OT: Flakes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just found a spot that offers to sell Flake candy bars in the States. For those interested, check out www.britsusa.com They also carry an assortment of other British imports, including my fave, Lion bars. Amy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:40:34 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: OT?: farm living MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a question for anyone who has lived on a farm or is familiar with farming communities. It seems to me that grown children often take over their parents' farm, often raising their own families in the house they grew up in. This hasn't been the case with Clark, but if Lois and Clark did decide to take over Martha and Jonathan's farm, where would the families live? Would Lois and Clark move in with Clark's parents? Wouldn't this get crowded if/when L&C have kids? Or would Lois and Clark live somewhere else until Martha and Jonathan died or abdicated their house? Is there a usual way this is done? It may figure into a future fanfic, but right now I'm stuck, and my only farming-community friend is in India and incommunicado for the year :) Thanks. Christy attalanta@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 22:48:32 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: OT?: farm living MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/9/00 9:41:28 PM EST, Attalanta@AOL.COM writes: << Is there a usual way this is done? It may figure into a future fanfic, but right now I'm stuck, and my only farming-community friend is in India and incommunicado for the year :) Thanks. >> I could be wrong, but if Lois and Clark wanted to take over once the Kents had passed away, I figure they'd live in a guest house located on the farm that they could redo and call it their own, until the Kents passed away. Once they were gone, Lois and Clark could move to the main farm house. I hope this helps! Alexis ;-.) "If you ever breathe one word of what I told you in there, I'll deny it and have you back on the unemployment line before you can say 'hayseed.'" (Lois) "You can trust me." (Clark) "Right. I've heard that one before." (Lois) {LnC, Pilot} ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 00:32:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cindy Leuch Subject: Re: OT: Time? OK, FINALLY a topic I can reply to! Speaking as a writer who also spends at least 2 hours a day doing marching band related things, I can oficially say that there are another 22 hours in the day, more than enough to do any writing or whatever you want to do. Sometimes it goes slow, but at least it goes. When I go on band trips, I bring a pad of paper and a pen. I try not to do any plotting while IN band - just the whole marching and playing music and trying to keep my rank in line thing eats up most of my mental capacity there. Seriously, though, quiet times, like walking to and from class, tend to be my favorite times to plot out stories. If you get the itch to write, go for it! You'll be OK! Well, that's all for me. Cindy Leuch leuch@iastate.edu trombone right guide - ISUCF"V"MB ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:07:54 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: OT?: farm living MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of the people I have known who have stayed on the farm had their own house located on the property. Once the parents died, sometimes they change houses; sometimes one of their children moves into the original house. It depends on whether or not they wanted to live in the house. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:28:27 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: OT?: farm living MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/09/2000 10:41:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Attalanta@AOL.COM writes: << I have a question for anyone who has lived on a farm or is familiar with farming communities. >> Bev? Are you reading this? (I know she's on this list because she sometimes responds to things.) She's in a more rural area. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:26:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Re: OT?: farm living MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A couple of different approaches can be taken. Martha and/or Jonathan living: 1. Lois and Clark would move in and assume the responsibility for the bills, upkeep and day to day living, giving Martha and Jonathan a chance to 'retire' and still live in their own home. This usually means building additional rooms onto the house. This is not that unusual in multi-generational families that are emotionally close to each other. 2. Lois and Clark would 'buy' a parcel of land from Martha and Jonathan and build a new home on it. This allows the elder Kent(s) to continue to live in their home and have the support of Lois and Clark nearby. This is more likely with multiple children. Martha and Jonathan dead: 1. Lois and Clark move in and assume the responcibility for the farm and pay a HUGE Gift Tax. Ways to get around the Gift Tax. 1. Your universe is more sane and there is no Gift Tax on property given to children. 2. Lois and Clark would have to 'buy' the farm from the Kents. This is what my father and uncles did. The farm was divided between them and they paid my Grandmother, my Grandfather had just recently died. Then one brother bought the other brothers out and is now the new owner. He is allowing his son, my cousin, to live on the farm and upkeep it. Hope that this was informative. James ===== Phillipe: And what is your quest? Etienne Navarre: I must kill a man. Phillipe: Tell me--does this walking corpse have a name? -LadyHawke (1985) Smashing good movie. WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:10:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mark Weber Subject: Remove me for the ListServ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remove me for the ListServ Kate Crane wrote: > How fun, Pam! Thanks for the url. > Kate ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:34:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Remove me for the ListServ On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:10:23 -0500, Mark Weber wrote: >Remove me for the ListServ Mark, this isn't how you leave this list. You will have received instructions on how to quit when you joined; if you've lost those, go here: http://www.lcfanfic.com/faq_listserv.html and you'll find instructions on how to terminate your own subscription. None of this list's over 300 subscribers - all of whom have seen your message - can do it for you. :) Wendy ------------- Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:08:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Remove me for the ListServ On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:34:05 -0500, Wendy Richards < wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK> wrote: >On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:10:23 -0500, Mark Weber wrote: > >>Remove me for the ListServ > > >Mark, this isn't how you leave this list. You will have received >instructions on how to quit when you joined; if you've lost those, go here: > >http://www.lcfanfic.com/faq_listserv.html Alternatively, go to http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html and follow the link to "join or leave the list". Kathy (who still thinks we should start labeling that instruction message "delete this file immediately" so that people might actually save it. Obviously "save this for future reference" doesn't do the trick. ;)) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:47:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cindy Leuch Subject: Re: OT?: farm living My grandparents lived on a farm that my uncle took over after they retired. The way it's always worked in my family was that when the older folks are ready to retire, they move into a house in town and work out an arrangement that allows the child (my uncle, in this case) to use the house. Rent from the land (either frommy uncle or other tenants) provided my grandparents with their well-being, plus my grandpa went out there all the time to help out. That's just one family's perspective on things. Hope this helps you out. Cindy Leuch leuch@iastate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:44:05 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: -= LuC =- Subject: L&C on FOXTEL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey gals/guys :) For those who dont know and who have cable tv (in Australia)...I just thought you would like to know that I have been in contact with FOXTEL and they informed me that at the moment they do not have the rights over L&C but that they are planning to be able to air the show (which is currently actually screening only on OPTUSVISION) sometime in the next three months... keeping our fingers crossed!!! It'll be good to be able to re-tape one or two of the episodes like ATAI and WHATTA that have dramatically decreased in tape quality after a couple of thousand runs ;) Catchyas!, -Luc. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:47:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Color Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Each color below represents a 'highlight' color. Like Superman's suit is blue with red highlights. What colours go well with Forest Green? What colours go well with Electric Blue? What colours go well with Royal Purple? Thanks in advance for your input. James ===== Phillipe: And what is your quest? Etienne Navarre: I must kill a man. Phillipe: Tell me--does this walking corpse have a name? -LadyHawke (1985) Smashing good movie. WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:09:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Guy or Lesley Hilliard Subject: Re: Color Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, how about these colours. Lesley aka Ladyhawke Subject: Color Question > What colours go well with Forest Green? How about a pumpkin orange > > What colours go well with Electric Blue? Bright Pink > > What colours go well with Royal Purple? Gold ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:26:00 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Lorie Y. Crisp" Subject: Re: Color Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think a nice shade of yellow would go with Forest Green. Electric Blue would look good with black, and Royal Purple (one of my two favorite colors) goes great with Emerald Green (my other favorite color). Lorie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:58:10 GMT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Diyan Subject: Re: Color Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed James asked: >What colours go well with Forest Green? many varients of brown, especially a lighter one, like a tan. Or, a muted yellow >What colours go well with Electric Blue? Fuchsia. Black. >What colours go well with Royal Purple? I'm not quite sure which color is royal purple, but if it's what I'm thinking of, white would be perfect. -Dia zimri@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:28:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: OT?: farm living In-Reply-To: <18.351a43e.2713dba2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, Kristy! :) Okay, I only have a few minutes here, but this is a situation in which I actually have experience! ;) Sorry to be responding so late, but I've been without internet service since I returned from my Thanksgiving holiday on Monday . . . it's rather frustrating. > I have a question for anyone who has lived on a farm or is familiar with > farming communities. It seems to me that grown children often take over their > parents' farm, often raising their own families in the house they grew up in. This is certainly the case with my family. I was raised on a farm along with my three older siblings, the oldest of which -- my brother -- took over the farm once he finished high school, took a wife, etc. ;) > This hasn't been the case with Clark, but if Lois and Clark did decide to > take over Martha and Jonathan's farm, where would the families live? This is something I imagine would vary between families. In my family, by the time my brother decided farming was the career for him, both my parents had been working most of their life (on top of farming), and managed to pay off the mortgage and even save quite a bit of money. They decided they'd had enough of farming *and* working full time, so endeavoured to design and build their own house in the far corner of one of the 100 acre farming lots. In the meantime, my brother and his family have bought the old farmhouse (where I grew up), and make monthly payments to my parents (rather than the bank -- my parents have a much better interest rate ). > Would > Lois and Clark move in with Clark's parents? Wouldn't this get crowded > if/when L&C have kids? Or would Lois and Clark live somewhere else until > Martha and Jonathan died or abdicated their house? Is there a usual way this > is done? It may figure into a future fanfic, but right now I'm stuck, and my > only farming-community friend is in India and incommunicado for the year :) This is where the beauty of fiction writing comes in -- you can make up any scenario you want. These days, there really is no standard for passing on farms (unless they are large commercialized ones, perhaps, but that doesn't seem to be the case with Martha and Jonathan), as far as I know, so whatever you deem appropriate would be just fine. My scenario is just an example of one particular option. Anyhow, hope my two cents can be of help! :) TTFN, Karen :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:33:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: 7 Days of Superman Parts 24-26 Comments: To: 7days FanFic <7DaysFic@egroups.com>, BackStep Fiction , Tad Flowers , Marc Gartin , Dave and Debbie Harrison , Melanie , Backstep Operation , Travel Time , Dad Tull , Danny Tull MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Title:Seven Days of Superman Author/pseudonym:Mr. D8A Fandom:Seven Days/Lois & Clark:The New Adventures of Superman Rating:PG-13 Status: PARTS 24 - 26 Archive: Yes E-mail address for feedback:mr_d8a@yahoo.com Series/Sequel: 7 Days/l&c:tTNAOS Crossover Other websites:BACKGROUND INFORMATION.SEVEN DAYS (Details supplied by http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/9329/SevenDays Disclaimers: Lois and Clark and the rest of the show's entourage are the property of DC, Warner, ABC, and Joanne Siegel and Laura Siegel Larson. Seven Days is the property of UPN. Summary:Superman fails to stop the nuking of Washington DC and gets some help from Frank B. Parker from Operation Backstep. Part: 24 Falling. He’d been falling forever. There seemed no end to it. The darkness swallowed him up whole. He welcomed the darkness. No one to count on him. No one to depend on him. No one to fail. Suddenly, the falling stopped. He laid on an indistinct surface. He looked 'up' and saw nothing. Nothing but darkness. A distant voice called to him, "Get up." "No." The voice became more distinct. It was his mother's. "Clark Jerome Kent, you get up this instant! Alexander is depending on you!" His heart tightened at the name, "He's dead!" "You know that’s not true! You still feel Lex, don’t you? Maybe if Lex is still alive then so is your son," his father said. "I'm here." Lex Ellison's face faded into view. Alexander's face appeared above Lex's and seemed to hover slowly around Lex’s face. Clark noticed how similar the two were now that all he had to go on was their faces. "Lex? Alexander? I don't understand!? What's going on." They spoke as one voice. "I can't tell you. You have to figure it out for yourself.” The voice was a strange combination of toddler and young man. Clark's dark world started to bleed away into bright light. The faces slowly faded away. They were replaced by two faces, one was Lois' face, and the other’s was Mrs. Carper’s. They were surrounded by a halo of light. He could barely make them out. They were talking but he couldn't hear their words for all the ringing that was in his ears. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Tuesday, October 5, 1999 9:32am EST Gulf of Mexico Isla de la Juventud inland +++++++++++++++++++++++ Olga repeatedly pleaded with Lois to slow down. She was finding it impossible to keep up with her. Lois was equally frustrated with having to slow down. Finally, Lois took matters into her own hands, literally. She raced back, scooped Olga into her arms and carried her the rest of the way. Reaching deep within her, Lois put on a burst of speed that nearly took Olga's breath away. In a moment they were where Clark had fallen. His uniform was sooty and the cape was half burned off. Olga took a moment to get her bearings. Having caught her breath, she became all professional. “His pupils are asynchronous and disproportionately dilated, he looks dazed. His pulse is racing.” “That’s normal for him.” “Oh. Well, aside from that I think he has a concussion.” At Lois’ questioning look, Olga explained, “He did hit that force field pretty hard. I’d say his power reserves are tapped.” “Then we need to get him into direct sunlight! He should start to heal quickly then.” Olga attempted to lift Clark and quickly found out another reason that he was called the Man of Steel. He weighed a ton. “Allow me. It’s all a matter of leverage.” Lois grabbed Clark by the feet and began to drag him. Olga quickly lifted what was left of his cape so that his head was not jarred anymore then it had to be. She noticed that he didn’t seem as heavy. In short order, Clark was basking in sunshine. “Now we wait.” “We don’t have time for that!” Lois seized him by the shoulders and shook him. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Tuesday, October 5, 1999 9:54am EST Gulf of Mexico Isla de la Juventud beach +++++++++++++++++++++++ Frank sat back and watched as the force field repeated closed the gap made by the rise and fall of the water. The sizzle seemed to happen when the water hit the force field, not when the force field hit the water. **Well, it looks like we get wet,** he thought. He waded into the water and dove under the field. Coming up on the other side he walked over to the were the field was and tried to touch it. His hand passed right through. “Cool! A one-sided force field. Boy, would Uncle Sam like to get his hands on this.” A familiar voice spoke behind him, “He will... in about a hundred years... after the refugees of New Krypton arrive. Don’t go too far, or it will spit you from here to the other side of the island.” Frank whirled around and came face to face with Tempus. The Tempus of this world wasn’t much different than the one from the last one. Same smarmy, snake-charming grin; same look of pure evil in his eyes. Frank slowly started to move his hand behind his back. Tempus started to shake his head from side to side, “Frank, Frank. I’m the bad guy. You’re the reluctant hero. You’re not as morally sphinctered as the Big Blue Boy Scout. I know you will do anything you can to stop me. So go ahead, grab for your gun. Make my millennium.” Tempus quickly produced a small, but undoubtedly lethal, gun-like device. It had two tiny prongs protruding from its ‘muzzle.’ “Its name is longer than it is. I just call it The Equalizer.” Tempus’ voice changed, taking on the air of someone demo-ing something on the Shop ‘til You Drop Channel. “On its lowest setting, it makes a great weenie roaster. On it’s highest…” Tempus took aim at something just to one side of Frank’s body and fired. By the time Frank turned around, the tree that Tempus hit was already a smoldering pile of powder. “…it can reduce any waste material to ash in under a second, but I think you get the point. A time traveler is a terrible thing to waste.” **Time traveler?** Frank frowned and brought his hand out where Tempus could see them. “So, how do you know who I am?” “Such a kidder! Why you’re non-other than Franklin Bartholomew Parker…” Frank winced at his full name, “…born August, 1970. A Navy SEAL, decorated for valor in Desert Hammer, and most recently, chrononaut for Operation Backstep. I was waiting for you to show up.” Part: 25 "Sorry to keep you waiting for so long. I hope I haven't wasted your time." Frank's tone clearly indicated that he was neither sorry nor worried. "So, Tempus... What kind of name is Tempus, anyway? Did your parents not like you or something?" Tempus arched an eyebrow. "You military types get so cranky when your toys are taken away. Hand over the gun." Frank reluctantly handed the weapon over. Tempus' smiled at the ease at which this was going. It was the kind of smile that would not put give you a feeling of safety. "You're everything your bio said you were: arrogant, defiant, and insolent. Qualities that we share, but I make them look good." "Yes, but I'm not the one trying to blow up Washington." "Washington? Why in the world would I want to blow up the only bastion of pure, unadulterated greed on the eastern seaboard? It's got sex. It's got violence. It's got power. It's the entire state of California wrapped up in one tight little package. Why even Martha Kent is being exposed, which, on second thought, is nothing I really want to envision, anyway." "So, if Washington isn't your target, then what is?" "Gee, I thought all you suits in the CIA had to have some brains. I guess I was wrong." Frank was about to question Tempus' ancestry, when it finally dawned on him. "Superman. You never intended to destroy any city. You knew that he would go chasing after any missile whether it was aimed at Washington D.C. or Stella, Nebraska." "And the agent wins the kewpie doll! You're not as dumb as you look, Frank. Actually, I was aiming in the general direction of the Daily Planet, but your guess was close enough for government work." Tempus laughed at his own joke. "Then why take Alexander? "You know, Frank, you're starting to bore me." He motioned for Frank to lead the way back to the time portal. ~*~ The trip back to the beach was a strange one for Clark. Lois and her clone had been talking in unison as did Mrs. Carper and her twin sister. It was really hard for him to know who to look at. The ringing had comeback with a vengeance, making it near impossible to understand what they were talking about. And what they were saying didn't make any sense. Something about Porsche peels, thyme travails series, and Ex-Lax. It was all so confusing. If only the ringing would stop, then he would be better. At least the clone and the twin were gone now. And it looked like they were going to stop and rest again, which meant Mrs. Carper would have to check him out. It was weird; for a librarian, she sure knew a lot about medicine. He also couldn't remember her ever looking this good in recent years. ~*~ "That's good, Mr. Kent. Just sit down and rest a bit. Let me look at your eyes again." Olga checked his pupils, tested his reflexes and checked the same things that she had checked every ten minutes for the last half hour. The pace was driving Lois nuts, but Dr. Vukavitch insisted on giving Clark chances to just rest and soak up the sunshine. They spent most of the walk back discussing ways of getting through the force field, time travel theories, and Alex. "The sunlight is starting to help. His eyes are tracking again, but he is still having a problem understanding me. Most of the external physical trauma is healed. At the rate that he is improving, he should be near normal in thirty minutes to an hour." "Earth normal or Clark normal?" "Clark normal." "That's still a long time from now and we may not have that kind of time." "That may be true, but we have little choice in the matter. Even Kryptonian physiology needs time to recuperate." Lois sighed. She knew Olga was right. Clark needed time that they didn't have. **If only…** Lois heard a voice. A voice she hoped never to hear again and yet a voice that could lead her back to her son. The same time that Lois was trying to listen, Olga was trying to tell her the need for staying. Both had agendas that the other was unaware of. "We shou…" "SHHH!" "…ld prob…" "Shhh! I'm trying…" "…ably st…" "… to super hear and…" "…ay here an…" "…when you are this close…" "…d… What are yo…" "…its like a knife straight through…" "…u trying to tell…" "…my head. Would you please just…" "…me?" "…shut up! Its Tempus! Shh!" Lois listened carefully and picked up the end of the conversation between Frank and Tempus. She tried to focus in visually, but there was no clear line of sight. "Come on! Tempus has Frank." "NO!" Lois clasped her hands over her ears, "Ahhhh!" Olga clasped her hands over her mouth and whispered, "Sorry." Lois shook her head and nodded emphatically, "That's okay, I understand." She picked up Olga and made hand gestures to Clark to follow. They were back at the beach in thirty seconds. Just in time to see Tempus pushing Frank through the stationary time portal. Olga put her hand over her mouth, her stoic Russian exterior melting away as she witnessed the disappearance of the one she cared about. She knew that this wasn’t ‘her’ Frank Parker, but then again, neither was the last one. All she knew was that her feelings for this Frank were no different than any other. She wanted to spend the rest of her life with him. And now she might not have the chance. ~*~ When Frank broke the surface of the temporal curtain a familiar feeling washed over both Lois and Clark. Alexander! He was alive! A tiny voice popped into Clark’s mind. It held both hope and fear, ((Daddy?)) ((Yes, my little man, Daddy is here.)) Confusion and hurt poured through the connection, ((You didn’t come for me!)) Clark’s heart was torn apart by the feelings and thoughts of his son. ((I will always come for you, no matter how long it takes. Never doubt that. I lov…)) and the connection was gone again. Tempus had just finished passing through the portal. The link closed like a guillotine on Lois’ and Clark’s minds. Lois turned and caught Clark’s eye. They needed no telepathy to know what the other was thinking. They were going to get their son back. Part: 26 +++++++++++++++++++++++ Tuesday, October 23, 1962 10:14am EST Gulf of Mexico Isla de la Juventud beach +++++++++++++++++++++++ Alexander ran over to the makeshift tent where a still form lay on a simple blanket. Unsuccessfully containing his three year-old enthusiasm, he not-so-gently shook the person’s good shoulder. “Mr. Jackson! Mr. Jackson! Daddy’s coming! Daddy’s coming!” The man gasped and slowly turned around. There wasn’t a part of his body that didn’t ache. The painkillers that Tempus had provided were beginning to wear off. His entire left side was scarred and burned. In some of the worse areas you couldn’t tell where the dark skin ended and the clothes began. Alexander felt really sorry for the man and hoped that Mommy and Daddy could help him. When he tried to smile you could see too much of his teeth on the one side. “Thath goo Alecth. Ah knew he would come for uth. Can you get the hyhothray? Ith time for another injecthon.” It hurt so bad to speak, but he needed the painkillers so desperately. Alexander nodded his head and ran to get the hypospray. Alex had a hard time looking at him when he talked. It was much easier to pretend that he was wearing a Halloween costume when he didn’t talk. Alexander scurried back with the hypospray. “Here you go, Mr. Jackson.” Keith simply nodded his head up and down. Then they heard the soft warning sound of someone entering the portal. ~*~ When Frank *first* walked through the portal, it didn’t seem like anything had changed. In the distance he could see the grassy knoll and hear the crashing of the surf on the beach. But when he turned and looked at the beach, it was the way it was before Superman had struck the field. In fact, it looked a little further away than it did before. There were fewer trees, and the air smelled fresher. And the sun was definitely brighter. That and the fact that a sixty-foot missile was pointed straight at him caused him to stop dead in his tracks. When Tempus came through, he stumbled into him. Frank took the opportunity and tried to punch the man. The next thing he knew, he was flying through the air and landing on his back. Alexander ran over and helped Frank to his feet. “Nice try, Time Boy, but you really don’t want to do that again. If you do, I’ll kill the boy. Don’t make me regret my curiosity." Giving Alex a conspiratorial look and shuffling the boy’s hair a bit, Frank turned and regarded Tempus up on the platform. “Regret *your* curiosity? I thought you were the big bad time traveler, able to *pop* backwards and forwards in the chronostream at will. Who am I to counsel the all-powerful Tempus, Master of Time?” Tempus caught Frank’s sarcasm and lobbed it back at him. “Apparently, what they say is true; sucking up *is* hard to do.” Tempus decided to cut to the chase. He started down the steps and walked over to the missile. He opened the control panel, “Earlier, you said that I was trying to blow up Washington. I take it that Superman must have intercepted the missile over the Capital. Oh, how ironic! Clark Kent is responsible for blowing up his adoptive parents. This is too good!” “I hate to burst your bubble, but the President did survive. And it did look like the missile was heading straight at the White House.” Though Frank was a fairly good liar, he decided to stick to the truth, as he knew it from his parallel universe, Tempus’ face fell. “Well, you can’t win them all.” He started to re-check the controls, making sure that all the settings were correct. The interface to the guidance system had a lot of flashing lights and colored buttons. Alex edged over to see what Tempus was doing. Tempus spotted him out of the corner of his eye. An uncharacteristic look came across Tempus’ face. It was wistful and envious at the same time. Tempus stopped and turned toward the boy. Alex backed up quickly. Tempus got down on one knee and held out his hand. “Do you want to see controls? No funny stuff. I promise.” Tempus said this for Frank and Keith’s benefit as much as for Alex’s. Alex nodded his head up and down and then looked back at Keith. Keith locked eyes with Tempus and tried to read what was there. There was a sadness there that Keith could not even imagine coming from the soul within. He could tell that Tempus meant what he said. Keith nodded his permission. Alex cautiously took Tempus’ hand and allowed the time-traveler to lift him up so that he could get a better view. ~*~ Frank walked over to where Keith was lying down. This was the first time he had seen him since they had parted company that morning. It seemed a lifetime ago. The man that lay before him was barely recognizable as the man that he had met only yesterday. If they didn’t get him some real medical treatment soon, he would die. Keith looked up at Frank and was thankful not to find pity or disgust in his face. The painkillers were working well enough to provide some mobility. He slowly sat up, leaning heavily on his good side. He motioned Frank to come sit by him. Frank asked in a quiet tone, “When are we? The sun is too bright and the air to clean for us to be in 1999.” Keith swallowed hard and then spoke, “Octoer twenty third, nineteen thixty-two.” “October 23, 1962?” Keith nodded. “In my world, it was on that date that the Cuban Missile Crisis happened. The Soviet Union was stockpiling nuclear missiles in Cuba as a counter measure to NATO having missiles in Eastern Europe. President Kennedy threatened to retaliate if they weren’t removed. This date was the closest we ever came to launching. It would be something if this was just a coincidence that the Tempus of your world picked this date in history. Either that or this is just one of those dates that is important across the timelines.” Keith just nodded again. He indicated the interaction going on between Tempus and Alexander. Tempus’ entire demeanor had changed. He looked like he was thoroughly enjoying himself, showing Alexander all the different controls and what they did. His face was soft and there was no trace of madness in it. Keith shook his head, **I wonder whatever happened to him to make him hate Superman so much?** +++++++++++++++++++++++ Tuesday, October 5, 1999 9:35am CST Smallville Kent Farm +++++++++++++++++++++++ Lex Ellison hobbled around the room agitatedly, “I can’t believe my flight to Cuba was overbooked! I lost my seat to some Mint Girl teenybopper! This totally throws a wrench in our plans! Now I can’t tell Dad how to change the trajectory of the missile. And he is going to die again!” Kevin Andrews sat back in his chair, shaking his head, “Thuperman will find a way to thop the mithile without our help. He’th been forewarned.” Fred Carper sat on the sofa with his head in his hands, “I still can’t believe that I missed Tempus completely. If he’d been just a couple of inches to the right I would’ve winged him and Clark wouldn’t have had to kill him. How were we supposed to know that he had the missile rigged with a dead-man switch?” Lola Ellison was pacing back and forth at a fevered rate, “This waiting is driving me nuts. After thirty years of waiting you’d think that one more day wouldn’t matter much. But every minute that goes by allows the time stream to change a little more. Lex seems to be the only one to remember all the changes. Nan wasn’t supposed to die. Keith wasn’t supposed to be injured. And Tempus didn’t show Lex the controls in the first timeline. I’m just afraid that we’re all going to just fade away like Andrus did.” Olivia Carper put her arm around Lola’s shoulder and squeezed it tight, “I know, Lola. I know. But isn’t that what we are hoping for day after tomorrow? Aren’t we hoping to set everything straight? I know that the last thirty years haven’t been easy on any of us.” She reached out and grabbed Fred’s hand for support. “I have loved being Fred’s wife for the last twenty-five years, but to set the timeline straight so that you and your son can have your lives back is well worth it. I know you want Lex to be restored. It’s going to be hard, but I think it’s going to be worth it.” Lex came over and braced himself against his mother, “It’s been great getting to know Dad in ways that no son has ever gotten to before, but I would rather have him teach me baseball than learning it with me.” Lola’s eyes started to tear up. She thought of all the years that Lex knew right where his father was, but was unable to talk to him, to confide in him about the terrible future that lay ahead. Of all the years, waiting for H. G. Wells, Andrus, or even Superman to come for them. But they never did. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Tuesday, October 5, 1999 10:37am EST Gulf of Mexico Isla de la Juventud beach +++++++++++++++++++++++ Olga had a smile on her face. Mr. Parker had done it again. “Well, somehow, Mr. Parker got inside. Maybe he swam underneath.” Clark used his x-ray vision to look under the water. Fish swam freely from one side to the other of where the force field would have been. Scanning up the shoreline he could see where Frank must have walked out. “That looks like what he did. Tempus must have caught him off guard. Let me try something.” Clark was feeling better. The ringing had stopped, and he could understand what Lois and Dr. Vukavitch were saying. He realized now that he had again mistaken her for Mrs. Carper, but he was sure now that it really wasn’t a mistake. He hadn’t shared his musings with the rest of them, yet. Now was not the time to get into it. He focused his heat vision on a section of ground just below the force field. His heat vision was harder to use than he thought it would be. As he turned up the intensity to melt the sand under the field, the pain in his head became more severe. He ignored it, though. Time was of the essence. Having melted the sand and dirt, he thankfully shut off his heat vision and super-cooled the molten mass. With Lois’ help, he lifted up the glassy chunk of beach. As they lifted, Olga gingerly tested to see if the field bent around the glass. It didn’t. The field shot straight to the ground on either side. Olga went through first, followed quickly by Lois and Clark, who had to turn inward toward each other like the little figurines in cuckoo clocks. “Don’t forget to put it back in such a way so that we can get back out.” Lois grunted out, “Do we look like complete idiots, Olga?” Once their burden was placed dead center of the field Lois turned to confront Olga. “I mean, really now! We’re world class reporters!” Lois shifted her position a little, clearly getting ready to lean up against the field. “Do you really think that we’d forget to leave a way oOOOOUUUUTTTTT?!!!” Lois’ voice trailed off as she was propelled nearly halfway across the island. “Excuse me a moment.” And with a flash of blue, Clark followed Lois’ trajectory. Olga quickly turned around and made tracks away from the field, “I think I’ll go look at the time portal.” ===== Phillipe: And what is your quest? Etienne Navarre: I must kill a man. Phillipe: Tell me--does this walking corpse have a name? -LadyHawke (1985) Smashing good movie. WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:13:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Readers of 7DoS Comments: To: 7days FanFic <7DaysFic@egroups.com>, BackStep Fiction , Tad Flowers , Marc Gartin , Dave and Debbie Harrison , Melanie , Backstep Operation , Vernon Terrell , Travel Time , Dad Tull , Danny Tull MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I asked earlier if y'all wanted me to continue posting the story like this or to give the link where it was. I would like to try a different approach. I know that some individuals need to download their email to read it. Others simply read it on the web. I would like to make everyone's life easier, if possible. Who only wants the link to Zoomway's Ultimate Bulliten Board? I post it here at least 2 - 4 weeks ahead of the general distribution. My signature at the end of this email contains the link to my wife's, as well as my own, work in progress. Who wants me to continue to send it the way I have been? Those that belong to the above mentioned lists will get this option by default, unless you would rather me send it to you directly. Who wants me to stop posting to them and only let them know when I am finished? Please let me know what you think. James ===== Phillipe: And what is your quest? Etienne Navarre: I must kill a man. Phillipe: Tell me--does this walking corpse have a name? -LadyHawke (1985) Smashing good movie. WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:50:30 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debbie and Martin Pierce Organization: Microsoft Corporation Subject: Re: OT?: farm living Ah, a topic I know at least a little about--through osmosis from my attorney husband who specializes in elder law: > Martha and Jonathan dead: > 1. Lois and Clark move in and assume the > responcibility for the farm and pay a HUGE Gift > Tax > Ways to get around the Gift Tax. > 1. Your universe is more sane and there is no > Gift Tax on property given to children. > > 2. Lois and Clark would have to 'buy' the farm > from the Kents. This is what my father and > uncles did. The farm was divided between them > and they paid my Grandmother, my Grandfather had > just recently died. Then one brother bought the > other brothers out and is now the new owner. He > is allowing his son, my cousin, to live on the > farm and upkeep it. In the U.S., if Jonathan and Martha have died, $675,000 of their assets are exempt from the inheritance tax (gift tax is a different thing entirely in the U.S.--it would apply if Jonathan and Martha were still living and wanted to give their farm to Clark). The $675,000 applies to the years 2000 and 2001, and it increases until 2005, when it will be $1,000,000. So if we assume that it is a small family farm with a modest house, it may not exceed the exemption at all. And only the amount over the $675,000 is subject to inheritance tax. Debbie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:14:36 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Readers of 7DoS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/11/2000 2:14:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM writes: << Who wants me to continue to send it the way I have been? >> Yes, to this list. I don't go to the mbs. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:54:53 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: OT?: farm living MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone who responded to my post requesting information about farming housing. I was glad to see a diversity of answers- gives me some leeway in deciding what I want the living situations to be. The story I am planning to use the information in is still in the very early stages, but knowing where the characters will live is an important part of my planning :) Christy attalanta@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:18:26 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: 7 Days of Superman Parts 24-26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Just a quick thank you for posting here. I find the copies much easier to read when downloaded from the listserv then from the message boards and so appreciate your dual effort. The story is coming along well BTW and No I never saw 7 days but I find I didn't need to. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:23:46 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Readers of 7DoS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/11/00 6:14:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM writes: << Who wants me to stop posting to them and only let them know when I am finished? >> I already answered the other parts of your question, so I will just answer this one. Are you kidding about waiting until it's finished to post. I'm making a big exception here since I seldom read unfinished stuff - but this one is worth it. Keep it coming however you want to. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:42:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Re: Readers of 7DoS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Charlotte, you are a breath of fresh air to a weary soul. James. --- Charlotte Fisler wrote: > In a message dated 10/11/00 6:14:55 PM !!!First > Boot!!!, mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM > writes: > > << > Who wants me to stop posting to them and only > let > them know when I am finished? >> > > I already answered the other parts of your > question, > so I will just answer this one. > > Are you kidding about waiting until it's > finished to post. > I'm making a big exception here > since I seldom read unfinished stuff - but this > one is worth it. > > Keep it coming however you want to. > > Charlotte __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:49:55 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: OT: Shakespear Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi :) Can any Shakespear experts out there answer a question for me? Was it he who wrote 'A Comedy of Errors’? And is this the story involving a secret identity of one of the characters? Irene will know why I'm asking. :) Feel free to email me privately, if you'd prefer. Thanks! Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:53:50 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: OT: Shakespear Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/12/00 2:34:06 PM EST, erink@IDA.NET writes: << Can any Shakespear experts out there answer a question for me? Was it he= =20 who wrote 'A Comedy of Errors=E2=80=99? And is this the story involving a secr= et=20 identity of one of the characters? Irene will know why I'm asking. :) >> It's funny that you should mention Shakespeare...I have a Shakespeare class=20 this afternoon. While I can't help you with this question, I can say I'm=20 reading Richard the II. One of Lex's favorite plays...I do believe..or was=20 it the 3rd? LOL Alexis ;-.) "If you ever breathe one word of what I told you in there, I'll deny it and=20 have you back on the unemployment line before you can say 'hayseed.'" (Lois) "You can trust me." (Clark) "Right. I've heard that one before." (Lois) {LnC, Pilot} ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:20:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: OT: Shakespear Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:49:55 -0600, Erin Klingler wrote: >Can any Shakespear experts out there answer a question for me? Was it he who >wrote 'A Comedy of Errors=92? And is this the story involving a secret identity >of one of the characters? Hi Erin! Just consulting my handy Complete Works of Shakespeare... (that's with an 'e' on the end, though I do know that in the sixteenth century spelling was much more fluid and his name was commonly spelt in several different ways!). Yes, A Comedy of Errors is believed to be by Shakespeare - you may be aware that there are still debates as to the authorship of many of his plays. As for the secret identity, I'm not sure. I've just had a quick read-= through, as it's not a play I'm familiar with, and it seems to be based around the confusion between two sets identical twins. I can't actually think of a Shakespearean play involving a secret identity as such - though I'm sure there could well be one. The closest I can think of is Twelfth Night, in which Viola disguises herself as a man. Hope this helps! Wendy ------------- wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:40:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anita Hook Subject: Re: OT: Shakespear Question In-Reply-To: <6.c9c4569.271770ce@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:53 PM 10/12/00 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/12/00 2:34:06 PM EST, erink@IDA.NET writes: >It's funny that you should mention Shakespeare...I have a Shakespeare class >this afternoon. While I can't help you with this question, I can say I'm >reading Richard the II. One of Lex's favorite plays...I do believe..or was >it the 3rd? LOL > >Alexis ;-.) Actually Alexis, Lex's favorite play (at least the one he liked to quote from) is Richard III. I've forgotten the episode (Madam X????), but I do remember the quote since it's from one of my favorite soliloquies: "And Therefore, since I cannot prove a lover To entertain these fair well-spoken days, I am determined to prove a villain And hate the idle pleasures of these days..RIII I.i.28-31 Regards Anita ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:44:16 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: OT: Shakespear Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/12/00 3:42:28 PM EST, anitaah@EARTHLINK.NET writes: << Actually Alexis, Lex's favorite play (at least the one he liked to quote from) is Richard III. I've forgotten the episode (Madam X????), but I do remember the quote since it's from one of my favorite soliloquies: "And Therefore, since I cannot prove a lover To entertain these fair well-spoken days, I am determined to prove a villain And hate the idle pleasures of these days..RIII I.i.28-31 Regards Anita >> LOL! I knew it was one of those...there are just too many Richards to keep up with! ;p Alexis ;-.) "If you ever breathe one word of what I told you in there, I'll deny it and have you back on the unemployment line before you can say 'hayseed.'" (Lois) "You can trust me." (Clark) "Right. I've heard that one before." (Lois) {LnC, Pilot} ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:00:09 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: OT: Shakespear Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The ep in question was "The Phoenix". Nan Anita Hook wrote: > At 03:53 PM 10/12/00 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/12/00 2:34:06 PM EST, erink@IDA.NET writes: > > >It's funny that you should mention Shakespeare...I have a Shakespeare class > >this afternoon. While I can't help you with this question, I can say I'm > >reading Richard the II. One of Lex's favorite plays...I do believe..or was > >it the 3rd? LOL > > > >Alexis ;-.) > > Actually Alexis, Lex's favorite play (at least the one he liked to quote > from) is Richard III. I've forgotten the episode (Madam X????), but I do > remember the quote since it's from one of my favorite soliloquies: > "And Therefore, since I cannot prove a lover > To entertain these fair well-spoken days, > I am determined to prove a villain > And hate the idle pleasures of these days..RIII I.i.28-31 > > Regards > Anita ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:17:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Readers of 7DoS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Charlotte here. I don't care where you post it (I'm on the msg boards and the elist) just as long as you post it! What can I say? I love the story! Tara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Fisler" To: Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Readers of 7DoS > In a message dated 10/11/00 6:14:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM > writes: > > << > Who wants me to stop posting to them and only let > them know when I am finished? >> > > I already answered the other parts of your question, > so I will just answer this one. > > Are you kidding about waiting until it's finished to post. > I'm making a big exception here > since I seldom read unfinished stuff - but this one is worth it. > > Keep it coming however you want to. > > Charlotte > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:27:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gerry Anklewicz Subject: Re: OT: Shakespear Question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Erin: Dual identities was a common device used in Shakespearean comedies. He used the device in Two Gentleman of Verona, Merchant of Venice, The Taming of the Shrew. In Merchant and Twelfth Night he used women dressed as men. Gerry ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:53:20 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: Readers of 7DoS In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I hope you'll post the final some place where everyone can download the whole thing, since they may have come in late and missed parts. Your fan and Frank's, Debby :) huitziln@cais.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:04:05 +1000 Reply-To: "jenerator@ozemail.com.au" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny or Joe Stosser Subject: Re: Color Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forest Green goes well with yellow, I think Not sure about Electric Blue Royal Purple would stand out against Orange perhaps? PLEASE NOTE THAT AS OF OCTOBER 15, 2000 MY EMAIL ADDRESS WILL BE JENERATOR@OZEMAIL.COM.AU PLEASE UPDATE YOUR RECORDS jenerator@free.net.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ 11477318 Photos of David (8) and Megan (5) on the Stosser Family HomePage http//www.geocities.com/j_stosser Please sign our guestbook! -----Original Message----- From: JaT [SMTP:mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:48 PM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: [LOISCLA-GENERAL-L] Color Question Each color below represents a 'highlight' color. Like Superman's suit is blue with red highlights. What colours go well with Forest Green? What colours go well with Electric Blue? What colours go well with Royal Purple? Thanks in advance for your input. James ===== Phillipe: And what is your quest? Etienne Navarre: I must kill a man. Phillipe: Tell me--does this walking corpse have a name? -LadyHawke (1985) Smashing good movie. WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:38:20 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Natascha Kortum Subject: Big Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello everybody, Over the last few weeks I have read that today is a big day for quite a few people. So HAPPY BIRTHDAY, everyone! :)) May all your dreams come true. I thionk we should have a party on irc tonight! :) Back to lurking now. Natascha (who is very sorry for not remembering whose birthday it is. Jen Stosser, Yvonne maybe...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:57:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Re: Color Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lorie is the winner! Emerald Green on Royal Purple. James --- "Lorie Y. Crisp" wrote: > I think a nice shade of yellow would go with > Forest Green. Electric Blue > would look good with black, and Royal Purple > (one of my two favorite colors) > goes great with Emerald Green (my other > favorite color). > > Lorie > I think the royal purple should be the main > color, and the emerald green > should be the accent. ===== Phillipe: And what is your quest? Etienne Navarre: I must kill a man. Phillipe: Tell me--does this walking corpse have a name? -LadyHawke (1985) Smashing good movie. WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:10:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: THANK YOU: It's Beta-Reader Appreciation Day Some of us have been posting our messages of thanks on the message boards, as well as privately. I just thought I'd post here as well, since not everyone reads the message boards. I would like to say a huge THANKS to everyone who beta-reads for me. Top of the list has to be Yvonne, who offered a long time ago to read Strange Visitor from the Congo, which I was having trouble with at the time, and encouraged me into finishing it. She's beta-read everything I've written since, and is always very enthusiastic, helpful, has lots of excellent suggestions, and also catches typos for me. And then Helene, who actually asked to BR for me and who sees things in my stories even I don't notice! Her hilarious asides and hints as subtle as a ten-ton truck really make me laugh - and she also gives me lots of ideas for ways to make my stories even more angsty than they already are. Irene's been reading for me on and off since 'Without Consent', and she's great too at telling me what works and what doesn't, catching typos, letting me know when something in dialogue isn't authentically US-speak. And other occasional and much-valued beta-readers include JenniD, LabRat, AnneC and Hazel. Many, many thanks to all of you! Without you, I wouldn't be able to maintain so much enthusiasm about my writing, and there are definitely some stories which would have remained unfinished or unposted. Additionally, I value very much the comments I receive on my works in progress, whether on the message boards, here, emailed privately or said on IRC. The encouragement is always welcome, and the constructive criticism, suggestions and ideas are really helpful - I do frequently make changes as a result of some of the really good suggestions made to me. You're all wonderful - thank you so very much! Wendy ------------ Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:45:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: THANK YOU: It's Beta-Reader Appreciation Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My turn, Wendy! Thank you to Wendy, Laurie and Karen, my unbelievably talented trio of ladies! You are all fantastic and are an incredible amount of help! Also, many thanks to Nan Smith and Julie (JoMurf) for your wonderful help with plot brainstorming, medical matters and other related topics. Finally, thanks to the members of this list and to the readers from Zoom's msg boards for your very valuable constructive criticism. My stories would be the poorer without your comments. Irene ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:54:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was flipping channels this afternoon and came across "Barbarians At The Planet" and thought: That's odd, I don't remember the show being on any of the local stations, I wonder what channel this is? Then I realized--Lois and Clark were speaking French! =20 SRC (one of the local French channels) is carrying L&C en fran=E7ais. I had no idea! They've obviously been doing it for a while if they're up to BatP. It seemed really weird to see the right characters, but not hear the right voices The voices were different, but the background sounds, special effects sounds, and music were the same. I wonder how they do that? Not exactly on topic, but I just *had* to tell someone, and you're the only people I know who would be even remotely interested Margaret Who will duck back behind the rock she just crawled out from under;) ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@sympatico.ca Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:42:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: THANK YOU: It's Beta-Reader Appreciation Day In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK, I want to thank Dawn Field, my brother (not on this list but I will see him tonight) and all the FOLCS who have edited or offered to edit privately, Carolyn >Some of us have been posting our messages of thanks on the message boards, >as well as privately. I just thought I'd post here as well, since not >everyone reads the message boards. > >I would like to say a huge THANKS to everyone who beta-reads for me. > >Top of the list has to be Yvonne, who offered a long time ago to read >Strange Visitor from the Congo, which I was having trouble with at the >time, and encouraged me into finishing it. She's beta-read everything I've >written since, and is always very enthusiastic, helpful, has lots of >excellent suggestions, and also catches typos for me. > >And then Helene, who actually asked to BR for me and who sees things in my >stories even I don't notice! Her hilarious asides and hints as subtle as a >ten-ton truck really make me laugh - and she also gives me lots of >ideas for ways to make my stories even more angsty than they already are. > >Irene's been reading for me on and off since 'Without Consent', and she's >great too at telling me what works and what doesn't, catching typos, >letting me know when something in dialogue isn't authentically US-speak. > >And other occasional and much-valued beta-readers include JenniD, LabRat, >AnneC and Hazel. > >Many, many thanks to all of you! Without you, I wouldn't be able to >maintain so much enthusiasm about my writing, and there are definitely some >stories which would have remained unfinished or unposted. > >Additionally, I value very much the comments I receive on my works in >progress, whether on the message boards, here, emailed privately or said on >IRC. The encouragement is always welcome, and the constructive >criticism, suggestions and ideas are really helpful - I do frequently make >changes as a result of some of the really good suggestions made to me. > >You're all wonderful - thank you so very much! > > >Wendy >------------ >Wendy Richards >wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:00:54 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 10/13/00 2:55:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 brignell@SYMPATICO.CA writes: << SRC (one of the local French channels) is carrying L&C en fran=E7ais. I=20= had no idea! They've obviously been doing it for a while if they're up to BatP. It seemed really weird to see the right characters, but not hear the right voices The voices were different, but the background sounds, special effects sounds, and music were the same. I wonder how they do that= ? >> Actually, the process is fairly simple. My understanding is that there are=20 several tracks with sound. The voices are on one, the other noises are on=20 others. The voices are dubbed. A studio somewhere hires someone to=20 translate the script, then hires French-speaking actors and actresses to com= e=20 into a sound studio and record the dialogue. Then the new voice track is=20 played along with the original sound track for the rest. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:32:02 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: THANK YOU: It's Beta-Reader Appreciation Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Posting this here, too :) I'm taking advantage of this Beta-Readers' Appreciation Day to publicly thank my Beta-Readers, who are among the most understanding, patient, and encouraging people I've ever seen. A Beta-Reader is absolutely essential to the writing of a story, imho, and especially for an author whose first language isn't English, like me. There is no way I could release a story without it having been checked by a BR, for the simple reason that the language needs to be polished and corrected. So firstly, I'd like to thank Wendy and LabRat for being so patient and understanding about this, even when I repeatedly make the same mistake (really guys, I'll try to remember that 'twirl' is for an object and not a person, and that 'gotten' doesn't fit in UK English ). But that's certainly not the only reason why I'd never release a story without having it beta-read first. Beta-Readers bring in a first-hand opinion about the story, they tell you what works and what doesn't, what they liked, and what they think could be done better, or developed. They bring in wonderful suggestions, analyse the story in a different way from the author, therefore showing it under a new light, and keeping the inspiration going. I know that my current story would still be stuck at the first few pages if it wasn't for my Beta-Readers' help, so I'd like to thank them for being so supportive and so full of ideas and patience. So, today, I'd like to give a heartfelt thank you to Elena, who saw an early draft of the first part of my current WIP and gave me lots of ideas to develop it and make it better, and also encouraged me to continue this story. A big thank you also to Yvonne and ChrisC, whose suggestions and comments about the few first parts of the story have been a great help, and who've been very encouraging with this. To Wendy, who volunteered to beta-read for me. Her comments and suggestions have been enourmously helpful, and her constant nagging on irc is a great encouragement. Thank you for being so supportive! And thanks for being... um... patient ;) while you're waiting for the next instalment. Oh, and guys, *she* gives me ideas to make it more angsty, too ;) And last, but certainly not least, to LabRat, who's not only extremely supportive and helpful in her beta-reading, but also puts on extra work to help me make the language sound more English and less continental. And also for accepting to spend hours brainstorming plot ideas with me on irc, reading over prepreprepre-first-drafts ;) and helping the Muse to get back to work thanks to her wonderful suggestions. I can't thank you enough for all your help, guys! Helene :) kaethel@club-internet.fr So We must meet apart - You there - I here - With just the Door ajar That Oceans are - and Prayer - And that White Sustenance - Despair - Emily Dickinson - I cannot live without you ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:10:36 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Natascha Kortum Subject: Re: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Magaret, Thank you for sharing that with us. I was in Germany whenI first started watching LnC, so the only voices I knew were the German synchronized ones! It was so exciting whenI came to the US in 1996 and got to hear the "real" voices. I was psyched. It took some getting use to though. My best friend from Germany is also a huge LnC fan, so onenight I called her and held the phone next to the TV so that she too could finally get to hear the right Dean and Teri voices! She found it even stranger than I did... :) Today I only like to hear Lois and Clark speak American. It just seems right. :) And that means *a lot* coming from someone who loved the German Clark's voice since he was on plenty of my childhood cassettes... /me ducks Natascha Magaret said: >It seemed really weird to see the right characters, but not hear the >right voices The voices were different, but the background sounds, >special effects sounds, and music were the same. I wonder how they do >that? > >Not exactly on topic, but I just *had* to tell someone, and you're the only >people I know who would be even remotely interested > >Margaret > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:40:17 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alexis W." Subject: Re: THANK YOU: It's Beta-Reader Appreciation Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to thank Mar Brian and Nancy Nissen for beta reading my first attempt at Lois and Clark nfic/fanfic. I especially want to thank Nancy! I loved our little get-togethers at Barnes and Nobles to discuss my work-in-progress. ;) I would also like to thank Sharon! She recently read my story all the way through and she gave me some little hints and tidbits on how to make it better. I really appreciate that...since every suggestion helps! I also want to thank all of the readers who sent me kind emails when I thought nobody cared about my story to begin with. =) They brightened my day. Speaking of my nfic...I'm going to be releasing it to the nfic list starting today. It probably needs some fine tuning here and there, but that's where the readers of nfic come in. I'm also going to eventually send out a PG-13 version of it...but I need to find the time to go through all 179 pages of it! LOL! Thank you to everyone! Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 07:33:05 +1000 Reply-To: "jenerator@ozemail.com.au" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny or Joe Stosser Subject: Re: Big Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thankyou so much! The funniest gift a friend bought for me was... A L&C Showbag exactly the same as those I've been selling to FoLCs for the last three-four years Obviously she hasn't been taking much notice of what I do with my spare time in those years . PLEASE NOTE THAT AS OF OCTOBER 15, 2000 MY EMAIL ADDRESS WILL BE JENERATOR@OZEMAIL.COM.AU PLEASE UPDATE YOUR RECORDS jenerator@free.net.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ 11477318 Photos of David (8) and Megan (5) on the Stosser Family HomePage http//www.geocities.com/j_stosser Please sign our guestbook! -----Original Message----- From: Natascha Kortum [SMTP:natanh@HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:38 PM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: [LOISCLA-GENERAL-L] Big Day Hello everybody, Over the last few weeks I have read that today is a big day for quite a few people. So HAPPY BIRTHDAY, everyone! :)) May all your dreams come true. I thionk we should have a party on irc tonight! :) Back to lurking now. Natascha (who is very sorry for not remembering whose birthday it is. Jen Stosser, Yvonne maybe...) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:19:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dennis Arendt Subject: Re: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Margaret. you've been under that rock way long enough. Isn't it time for another wonderful fanfic??? Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret Brignell To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 11:54 AM Subject: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman I was flipping channels this afternoon and came across "Barbarians At The Planet" and thought: That's odd, I don't remember the show being on any of the local stations, I wonder what channel this is? Then I realized--Lois and Clark were speaking French! SRC (one of the local French channels) is carrying L&C en français. I had no idea! They've obviously been doing it for a while if they're up to BatP. It seemed really weird to see the right characters, but not hear the right voices The voices were different, but the background sounds, special effects sounds, and music were the same. I wonder how they do that? Not exactly on topic, but I just *had* to tell someone, and you're the only people I know who would be even remotely interested Margaret Who will duck back behind the rock she just crawled out from under;) ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@sympatico.ca Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:23:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JaT Subject: Get out from under the Rock! (was Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I second that motion. --- Dennis Arendt wrote: > Margaret. you've been under that rock way long > enough. Isn't it time for > another wonderful fanfic??? > > Brenda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Margaret Brignell > To: > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 11:54 AM > Subject: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles > Aventures de Superman > > > I was flipping channels this afternoon and came > across "Barbarians At The > Planet" and thought: That's odd, I don't > remember the show being on any of > the local stations, I wonder what channel this > is? Then I realized--Lois > and Clark were speaking French! > > SRC (one of the local French channels) is > carrying L&C en français. I had > no idea! They've obviously been doing it for a > while if they're up to > BatP. It seemed really weird to see the right > characters, but not hear the > right voices The voices were different, but > the background sounds, > special effects sounds, and music were the > same. I wonder how they do that? > > Not exactly on topic, but I just *had* to tell > someone, and you're the only > people I know who would be even remotely > interested > > Margaret > > Who will duck back behind the rock she just > crawled out from under;) > > ****************************** > Margaret Brignell > brignell@sympatico.ca > Ottawa, Canada > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > My fanfic now available at: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/brignell/ > ****************************** ===== Phillipe: And what is your quest? Etienne Navarre: I must kill a man. Phillipe: Tell me--does this walking corpse have a name? -LadyHawke (1985) Smashing good movie. WIP for MR_D8A: 7 Days of Superman-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003005.html WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC http://www.zoomway.com/boards/ubbhtml/Forum5/HTML/003563.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:44:43 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all ;) Okay, I know, you're probably all getting really sick of me asking so many of these questions, but it's easier than to pay my way through an English degree. ;) My most recent question is this. I've noticed some punctuation rules are changing a bit (which is why I'm confused on this). For instance, in school, it was always considered a MUST to put a comma before the word 'too,' 'either,' or after 'hi.' (like: 'Hi, Lois.") But nowadays the trend seems to be catching on to leave out these commas. But how about when a sentence goes like this: Quickly he darted off. OR Finally he understood. Does there have to be a comma after 'Quickly' or 'Finally'? Or does it depend on how the author's making the sentence flow, like if the author doesn't want a reader to pause at a comma? Ugh, I hate English and punctuation sometimes. :P Any help would be much appreciated! Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:43:10 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: THANK YOU - It's Beta Reader Appreciation Day! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know that I sent private thanks out to all of my betas, but I just = wanted to add some well deserved public kudos too.=20 Firstly to Becky and KathR, stalwarts who have edited my fic right from = the first and who actually managed to edit Caped Fear over one frantic = weekend - whilst not slapping the author as she threw a last minute = wobbly. Which was good going, let me tell you. [g] I'm surprised I = survived. Thank you, guys!=20 And, more recently, to Helene - not so much a beta-reader as a miracle = worker. Not only has she made me aware that having someone read over a = fic as it's being written (as opposed to having it read at the end, = which has always been the way I've done it) is a marvellous aid, but she = has actually managed to change my entire writing style to boot. It may = not seem like it ;) but I don't think I've ever written a fic so fast or = in so constant a manner as I have with the current wip. And her = wonderful ideas and thoughtful comments have been invaluable.=20 Lastly, my thanks also go to Ann and Wendy, who have occasionally read = over segments when I needed a second or third opinion and who have also = given me a lot to think about and fresh ideas to consider.=20 Thanks to you all! Without you, writing would be a lot less fun. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:46:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question Hi Erin, My problem in answering these questions is that, although I usually know the correct usage, I tend not to be able to explain the reasoning using the correct grammatical language. So Ann or anyone else who *really* knows, feel free to correct me! >>> For instance, in school, it was always considered a MUST to put a comma before the word 'too,' 'either,' or after 'hi.' (like: 'Hi, Lois.") But nowadays the trend seems to be catching on to leave out these commas.<<< I'd be tempted to suggest that this isn't a *rule* changing, but simply the result of more people making the mistake. I would always expect to see a comma before someone's name in dialogue when the remark is addressed to that person - for example, "How are you, Dad?" >>> But how about when a sentence goes like this: Quickly he darted off. OR Finally he understood. Does there have to be a comma after 'Quickly' or 'Finally'? Or does it depend on how the author's making the sentence flow, like if the author doesn't want a reader to pause at a comma?<<< This seems to be a UK/US thing, from what I've noticed. The two sentences you've written above are correct, Erin. But some US writers would insert a comma after 'quickly'; or would write something like this: 'But, he was fine now.' To me, that comma is incorrect - it's certainly incorrect in UK English. But I've noticed similar punctuation in published US fiction as well. 'Finally, he understood.' is fine. That sentence can be punctuated either way; the comma can be added if the writer wants to add an additional sense of how long the process had taken. Does this help at all? Wendy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:31:13 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Erin and Wendy, In a message dated 10/13/00 5:47:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << My problem in answering these questions is that, although I usually know the correct usage, I tend not to be able to explain the reasoning using the correct grammatical language. So Ann or anyone else who *really* knows, feel free to correct me!>> Well, I never could resist a challenge. >>> For instance, in school, it was always considered a MUST to put a comma before the word 'too,' 'either,' or after 'hi.' (like: 'Hi, Lois.") But nowadays the trend seems to be catching on to leave out these commas.<<< << I'd be tempted to suggest that this isn't a *rule* changing, but simply the result of more people making the mistake. I would always expect to see a comma before someone's name in dialogue when the remark is addressed to that person - for example, "How are you, Dad?">> You are right, Wendy. The rule is: a person's name, used in direct address, must be set off by commas. "Hi, Lois." OR "Hey, Lois, look at that!" >>> But how about when a sentence goes like this: Quickly he darted off. OR Finally he understood. Does there have to be a comma after 'Quickly' or 'Finally'? Or does it depend on how the author's making the sentence flow, like if the author doesn't want a reader to pause at a comma?<<< << This seems to be a UK/US thing, from what I've noticed. The two sentences you've written above are correct, Erin. But some US writers would insert a comma after 'quickly'; or would write something like this: 'But, he was fine now.' To me, that comma is incorrect - it's certainly incorrect in UK English. But I've noticed similar punctuation in published US fiction as well.>> Erin, Wendy may well be right as far as UK grammar is concerned. The two sentences are incorrect according to the rules of US grammar. In US English, you must use a comma after an introductory word such as "Finally." So that sentence should be: Finally, he understood. You must use a comma after words or phrases that have been moved to the beginning of a sentence from their normal position. "Quickly, he darted off," is the correct punctuation in the US. "Quickly" would normally be after the verb. "He darted off quickly." Thus, it needs a comma. << 'Finally, he understood.' is fine. That sentence can be punctuated either way; the comma can be added if the writer wants to add an additional sense of how long the process had taken.>> Again, this may be a transatlantic difference. In the US, you are supposed to put the comma after "Finally." The fact that you have put "finally" at the beginning gives the reader that additional sense of how long it took. As for a comma before "too" or "either," it really depends on how and where you are using them. If you say, "Dan, too, loved Lois," then it needs a comma on both sides. If you say, "Dan loved Lois too," then you don't need a comma at all. Ordinarily, you should have a comma before a coordinate conjunction (and, or, but, so), but if the two clauses are both very short, you can omit the comma. For instance, "He ran and he swam." Otherwise, you need a comma before a coordinate conjunction in a compound sentence. The exception is: if you have a comma elsewhere in the sentence, you must put a semicolon before the coordinate conjunction that separates the two clauses. Clark spoke 347 languages, but Lois spoke only two. but: Clark spoke 347 languages; but while Lois had also traveled extensively, she spoke only two. Hope this helps. Ann ( the list's resident pedant) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:36:02 +1000 Reply-To: "jenerator@ozemail.com.au" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny or Joe Stosser Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was at an air museum the other day, and wrote down the following from a display of a Mirage fighter (I think): "In, what was then, a surprising move, the Mirage was chosen to be Australia's first plane..." I just KNOW there's something wrong with the use of commas there! Jen PLEASE NOTE THAT AS OF OCTOBER 15, 2000 MY EMAIL ADDRESS WILL BE JENERATOR@OZEMAIL.COM.AU PLEASE UPDATE YOUR RECORDS jenerator@free.net.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ 11477318 Photos of David (8) and Megan (5) on the Stosser Family HomePage http//www.geocities.com/j_stosser Please sign our guestbook! -----Original Message----- From: Ann E. McBride [SMTP:Aerm1@AOL.COM] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:31 AM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: [LOISCLA-GENERAL-L] Yet another grammar/punctuation question Well, Erin and Wendy, In a message dated 10/13/00 5:47:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << My problem in answering these questions is that, although I usually know the correct usage, I tend not to be able to explain the reasoning using the correct grammatical language. So Ann or anyone else who *really* knows, feel free to correct me!>> Well, I never could resist a challenge. >>> For instance, in school, it was always considered a MUST to put a comma before the word 'too,' 'either,' or after 'hi.' (like: 'Hi, Lois.") But nowadays the trend seems to be catching on to leave out these commas.<<< << I'd be tempted to suggest that this isn't a *rule* changing, but simply the result of more people making the mistake. I would always expect to see a comma before someone's name in dialogue when the remark is addressed to that person - for example, "How are you, Dad?">> You are right, Wendy. The rule is: a person's name, used in direct address, must be set off by commas. "Hi, Lois." OR "Hey, Lois, look at that!" >>> But how about when a sentence goes like this: Quickly he darted off. OR Finally he understood. Does there have to be a comma after 'Quickly' or 'Finally'? Or does it depend on how the author's making the sentence flow, like if the author doesn't want a reader to pause at a comma?<<< << This seems to be a UK/US thing, from what I've noticed. The two sentences you've written above are correct, Erin. But some US writers would insert a comma after 'quickly'; or would write something like this: 'But, he was fine now.' To me, that comma is incorrect - it's certainly incorrect in UK English. But I've noticed similar punctuation in published US fiction as well.>> Erin, Wendy may well be right as far as UK grammar is concerned. The two sentences are incorrect according to the rules of US grammar. In US English, you must use a comma after an introductory word such as "Finally." So that sentence should be: Finally, he understood. You must use a comma after words or phrases that have been moved to the beginning of a sentence from their normal position. "Quickly, he darted off," is the correct punctuation in the US. "Quickly" would normally be after the verb. "He darted off quickly." Thus, it needs a comma. << 'Finally, he understood.' is fine. That sentence can be punctuated either way; the comma can be added if the writer wants to add an additional sense of how long the process had taken.>> Again, this may be a transatlantic difference. In the US, you are supposed to put the comma after "Finally." The fact that you have put "finally" at the beginning gives the reader that additional sense of how long it took. As for a comma before "too" or "either," it really depends on how and where you are using them. If you say, "Dan, too, loved Lois," then it needs a comma on both sides. If you say, "Dan loved Lois too," then you don't need a comma at all. Ordinarily, you should have a comma before a coordinate conjunction (and, or, but, so), but if the two clauses are both very short, you can omit the comma. For instance, "He ran and he swam." Otherwise, you need a comma before a coordinate conjunction in a compound sentence. The exception is: if you have a comma elsewhere in the sentence, you must put a semicolon before the coordinate conjunction that separates the two clauses. Clark spoke 347 languages, but Lois spoke only two. but: Clark spoke 347 languages; but while Lois had also traveled extensively, she spoke only two. Hope this helps. Ann ( the list's resident pedant) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:05:52 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/13/2000 7:33:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Aerm1@AOL.COM writes: << Ordinarily, you should have a comma before a coordinate conjunction >> Just to let you fine folcs know, I can't spout these rules nor do I always pick up on the finer points of grammar like this. But I hope I can still do a passable job as an archive editor and beta reader. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:19:10 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ann wrote: >You must use a comma after words or phrases that have been moved to the >beginning of a sentence from their normal position. "Quickly, he darted >off," is the correct punctuation in the US. "Quickly" would normally be >after the verb. "He darted off quickly." Thus, it needs a comma. [snip] >As for a comma before "too" or "either," it really depends on how and where >you are using them. If you say, "Dan, too, loved Lois," then it needs a >comma on both sides. If you say, "Dan loved Lois too," then you don't need a >comma at all. [snip] >Hope this helps. Hope this helps?! Wendy, Ann et all, you guys are invaluable. How would I even speak/write legibly without you guys? :) I'm always amazed at how much I learn here on this list. I don't know why I never learned this much in school...oh, wait. Maybe I was sleeping those days. Anyway, thanks SOO much for all of your help! Obviously an eternal English student (wait...should I have put a comma after 'obviously'? ), Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:10:19 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: THANK YOU: It's Beta-Reader Appreciation Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I would join the other writers in thanking my Beta Readers. I don't have any regular beta readers, which actually makes me appreciate my readers even more. Since the same people don't read every story I write, it's sometimes hard to get beta readers and I do value everyone who has volunteered to read for me. Special thanks go to Debby Stark, whose thoughtful and patient beta reading has made my Martha Chronicle stories into much more than I ever thought they could be. It's wonderful when a beta reader can not only improve the story she reads, but also improve the writer's future work. Thank you also to Margaret, Wendy, Nicole, Gay, Nancy, and Julie, whose quick work is most helpful and appreciated :) Christy attalanta@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:00:33 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Diyan Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If you say, "Dan, too, loved Lois," then it needs a > comma on both sides. If you say, "Dan loved Lois too," then you don't need a > comma at all. I'm sorry: I couldn't resist playing with this one. {Clark loved Lois. Dan, too, loved Lois.} {Clark loved Lois. Dan loved Lois too.} {Dan admired Lois. Dan loved Lois too.} {Dan admired Lois. Dan loved Lois, too} {Dan loved Anne. Dan loved Lois, too.} I'm not sure about the rules with commas in these three examples; I just put what seemed right to me. The comma may be optional in any of these three cases. -Dia (who wonders: Is it out of spite, or perversity, or simple laziness, that Agent "Please: Call Me Daniel" Scardino is called just 'Dan,' instead of 'Daniel,' as he asked?) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:13:37 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: Re: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Margret wrote: > It seemed really weird to see the right characters, but not hear the > right voices The voices were different, but the background sounds, > special effects sounds, and music were the same. I wonder how they do that Like Natascha I first watched Lois and Clark in German. Since I developed a major crush on Dean Cain pretty soon though , I had to hear his *real* voice and that was what made me look for original tapes sometime in second season.That wasn't very easy. In Germany you get all movies and TV-shows dubbed and the need to watch a movie in the original language is very unusual. Only recently more and more people express the wish to see more original movies and it's one reason the DVD-market is developing nicely over here. On most DVDs you can find the dubbed version as well as the original one. In Germany they try to make the sound of the dubbed version of a movie as realistically and as close to the original as they can. They try to adjust the translation for example so that it isn't so obvious that the actor's mouth-movements are differing from the spoken dialogue. I know from other countries where they just read the text over the original version, so you can still hear the original voices. It really takes the kick out of a TV-show to hear the same voice *read* all the dialogue! The funny thing about the German dubbing of Lois and Clark is that the dubbing was made by a team that synchronizes a lot of popular american TV-shows. So if you watch several american TV-shows, you still get the same voices most of the time! Dean's german voice (Sascha Dräger) for example is also the voice of David Charvet's character on "Baywatch" and Teri's voice (Marion Helbig) is the voice of Pamela Anderson's character. So imagine my astonishement when I flipped channels one day, without really looking at the TV and heard a dialogue with very familar voices, but the topic seemed *very* weird for Lois and Clark! ;-) In Germany famous actors get the same voice as dubbing voice in every movie or project they do, btw. For example Sascha Dräger's father is the dubbing voice for Woody Allen and he is really good. Soemtimes the voices are so much alike that you can't really tell a difference. Julia Roberts is an example. Her German voice is amazingly like her real voice. Sometimes I like the german voice even better than the original one. I must admit I really had a problem with Tom Hank's real voice the first few times I heard it. His German voice is very nice! So far neither Dean nor Teri have enough Hollywood credibility to have their "own" special dubbing voice. In "Best Men" for example Dean had another voice as in "Lois and Clark", "Dogboys" or "Futuresport". In "Dogboys" he had the same voice as Matt Dillon btw, which was very out of place to my ears. I think Lois and Clark were lucky with their German voices. I've seen a few french episodes, too, for example, and I must admit, I wasn't too keen on those voices. Clark sounded like Santa ("Ho-ho-ho!") when he laughed and Lois sounded (sorry to say) bitchy. Clark's German voice is very much in character for me. What I don't like his his annyoing little chuckle. Once you heard the real thing (Dean's chuckle), you are spoiled for a substitute. Lois' German voice is very popular among the fans in Germany. It's very different to Teri's real voice and Lois sounds much more like a vamp. Teri's cute "little-girl" voice, for example, is totally missing. Still I think Lois is very much in character, too. You could just say that some aspects of Lois' character are more pronnounced than others. Since I own the original version of Lois and Clark, I don't watch the German version very often. It's just not the same without Dean and Teri's real voices. To me the actor's voice is a big part of his acting and although the dubbing voices try to be as close to the original as they can, the emotion doesn't transfer as well and immediate, as it does when you watch the original. What I'm missing most in the German version though, are all those cute kissing sounds . In the German version they kiss totally silent. How boring! Nicole -- AKA CKgroupie on IRC NKWolke@t-online.de Are you always searching for news about Dean Cain? And don't you have the time to go and find them? Here's your solution: Go to "The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:41:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chipmunks Subject: Dubbing [was:Re: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman] In-Reply-To: <39E831D0.3D3555C6@t-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi, guys, Let me chime in on this topic for a minute, too.. Living in Germany, I, too, first watched lnc in German. I had read some reviews about the show and decided it might be something I enjoyed and I did. However, for me it wasn't until I came across the first of the comercially released tapes of lnc in the original that things clicked and I became realy hooked. i must admit that I disagree with nicky about liking lois voice and its being in character. I strongly disliked Lois with her German voice, especially during first season, and thought her character was really bitchy. it was only seeing and hearing her in the original that i really came to like Lois, too, and was able to see beneath the surface. Nowadays I prefer the original versions also for the fact that hearing the actor's voices helps me to identify who is who. but I already had a strong preference for the original versions long before I lost my sight. For one, I really love the English language, and then also sometimes the dubbing is done carelessly or even changes the whole story line. I am not familiar enough with the german eps of lnc to know if any such signifcant deviations from the original story line were made, but with my other favorite show Star Trek, I know of several examples where such was the case. In addition, in German, often series are given a different character because the dubbing is made to aim at an audeince that the networks think might like that kind of thing. So with Star trek, you sometimes had the characters crack a joke when the original was an entirely different ommood. I know that there are some people who do not know English as well as others do and who depend on having shows and movies translated, but I would strongly opt for just having subtitles or sap for the translation then just getting everything dubbed. I actually envied the people living in the small countries in Europe such as the Netherlands or Scandivnavia where audiences are not so big that they would warrant dubbing and shows are really usually just subtitled. Given a choice, I would always prefer seing a show in the English original because I think the voice is a very important part of the actors performance. Actually, now that I am blind, the voice of the actors is all i have of their acting talent. In my sighted days, I preferred to watch a movie in the original with subtitleseven if i did not know the language just to get a better feel of the acting and the characters. Today, of course, i would be lost since I can't read any subtitles. Just my two cents on this subject. No offense to any German fans who prefer their German voices for the characters, please. The above is just my personal preference. Cheers, Doris ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:48:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Combo Post: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles... + Rocks + grammar/punctuation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm assuming that Combo Posts are still used on the list. I've been under that rock so long I've lost track On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:00:54 EDT "Ann E. McBride" wrote Re: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman > << SRC (one of the local French channels) is carrying L&C en fran=E7ais. = I had > no idea! They've obviously been doing it for a while if they're up to > BatP. It seemed really weird to see the right characters, but not hear= the > right voices The voices were different, but the background sounds, > special effects sounds, and music were the same. I wonder how they do that? > >> > Actually, the process is fairly simple. My understanding is that there= are=20 > several tracks with sound. The voices are on one, the other noises are on= =20 > others. The voices are dubbed. A studio somewhere hires someone to=20 > translate the script, then hires French-speaking actors and actresses to come=20 > into a sound studio and record the dialogue. Then the new voice track is= =20 > played along with the original sound track for the rest. Thanks Ann. I should have figured this out, but I was so amazed at the characters speaking in French while the Superman take-off music played in the back-ground that I went "How'd dey do dat?" =20 I was also surprised to see the full screen credits (in French) scrolling up over the waving cape at the end. I don't know who did the dubbing (thanks to Doris for the term:) Although, the print on the French credits was nice and big and I thought I would be able to find out all those things I couldn't read on the English credits (CTV and ABC had a tendency to squish the credits into the left third of the screen while they ran an ad for a show I couldn't care less about;p), but SRC cut off the credits part way through and went to commercial:P So I don't know if the dubbing was done in Europe or here in Canada;\ On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:19:33 -0700 Brenda said: > Margaret. you've been under that rock way long enough. Isn't it time for > another wonderful fanfic??? Give a girl a break, it's only been a month since I put the last one on my web site! I don't work that fast! Since I'm averaging about one story a year (it was more per year when they were shorter;), I wouldn't expect another one from me until about this time next year--if then I write for relaxation. I like to create a world that I can escape to (sort of like daydreaming, but in bits and bytes) and share it with others. I guess that's why I'm not that fond of the grammar/punctuation part of writing. It feels like someone explaining the structure behind a magical illusion. I prefer the illusion., so I love the first part of writing where I get to tell you all about my daydream, but I really hate the editing/proofing part of the process. It feels like I'm trying to put a framework around gossamer, which also probably explains why I don't get the fascination with critiquing fanfic...how do you critique a daydream? Speaking of the grammar/punctuation part of writing: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:46:05 -0500 Wendy Richards said: > To me, that comma is incorrect - it's certainly incorrect in UK > English. But I've noticed similar punctuation in published US fiction as > well. This may explain why I have no clue about punctuation I learned to write in the UK, went through most of my schooling in Canada and the majority of my proofers are American. Also, although I read a lot of British literature, I understand that the standard for grammar/punctuation in Canadian newspapers is the US preference. No wonder I'm confused about punctuation! For instance, I seem to recall from my grammar classes that a full sentence in quotation marks would have the punctuation *inside* the quotes, but an incomplete sentence in quotations would have the punctuation *outside* the quotes. Now it seems like the punctuation rules have changed and always put the punctuation inside the quotes no matter what the type of sentence. = =20 e.g. "Lois, are you coming?" Full sentence, inside the quotes. He called the wind "Maria". Quote not full sentence, outside the quotes. "And he called it simply 'Earth'." Combined sentence, with punctuation inside the full sentence quote, but outside the single word= quote. I'm told the above is wrong and that all punctuation must be inside all the quotes: e.g. "Lois, are you coming?" =20 He called the wind "Maria." =20 "And he called it simply 'Earth.'" These latter look wrong to me, but like I said, punctuation is not exactly my strong suit;\ Am I delusional? Did there used to be a rule in punctuation like I describe. Has it changed, or is this just another difference between US and UK English? Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@sympatico.ca Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:23:30 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Combo Post: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles... + Rocks + grammar/punct... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/00 9:49:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brignell@SYMPATICO.CA writes: << So I don't know if the dubbing was done in Europe or here in Canada;\>> I don't know either, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had been done in Canada. We have a number of dubbed videos at my school -- American movies that have been dubbed into French. They were all produced in Canada. << Speaking of the grammar/punctuation part of writing: For instance, I seem to recall from my grammar classes that a full sentence in quotation marks would have the punctuation *inside* the quotes, but an incomplete sentence in quotations would have the punctuation *outside* the quotes. Now it seems like the punctuation rules have changed and always put the punctuation inside the quotes no matter what the type of sentence. e.g. "Lois, are you coming?" Full sentence, inside the quotes. He called the wind "Maria". Quote not full sentence, outside the quotes. "And he called it simply 'Earth'." Combined sentence, with punctuation inside the full sentence quote, but outside the single word quote. I'm told the above is wrong and that all punctuation must be inside all the quotes: e.g. "Lois, are you coming?" He called the wind "Maria." "And he called it simply 'Earth.'" These latter look wrong to me, but like I said, punctuation is not exactly my strong suit;\ Am I delusional? Did there used to be a rule in punctuation like I describe. Has it changed, or is this just another difference between US and UK English?>> I have absolutely no idea about that question, but I can tell you the rules about quotation marks and other punctuation. * Commas and periods are always placed inside the quotation marks. * Put question marks and and exclamation points inside the quotation marks if they are part of the quotation. i.e. "Where did you put the book?" she asked. "How dare you!" he spat. * Put question marks and exclamation points outstide the quotation marks if they are not part of the quotation. i.e. "Didn't you say "I'm leaving"? I can't believe you said, "I don't love you anymore"! * Put semicolons and colons outside the quotation marks. * Enclose both parts of a divided quotation is quotation marks. Do not capitalize the first word of the second part unless it is the first word of a new sentence. * A person's thoughts are enclosed in quotation marks if they are the exact words of the thoughts. i.e. Clark thought, "I can't believe Lois really loves me." * Use single quotation marks for a quotation within a quotation. i.e. "My sister just told me that Dad said, 'Leave the car in the garage,' " replied Ruth. You need to type a space between the single quotation mark and the double one. I think there may be some UK/US differences with regards to periods and commas withing quotation marks, but I'm not sure. Hope this helps. Ann (who can only "spout these rules" because she was an English teacher at one time and still possesses an English grammar book.) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:01:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rich and Dawn Subject: Message Board Index Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi FoLCs! Check out http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/7378/lnc.html for stories posted to Zoom's message board through October 13. New part(s) posted: A LOVE WELL WORTH THE WAIT: TRACEYLYNN DEAR LOIS: SHAYNET FAUX PAS: WENDY RICHARDS HIDING IN THE SHADOWS: IRENE DUTCHAK IT'S IN THE STARS(PREVIOUSLY 'UNTITLED') SINGINGDREW & ROSE PERSONAL LOYALTIES: CINDY LEUCH THE TRUTH: CASSIE JAMIE Completed stories this week: FEAR OF DISCOVERY: YVONNE CONNELL GROWING PAINS: AERM1 (AKA ANN) New stories this week: W&T CHALLENGE NO. 7: OOPS, DID I FORGET TO MENTION? TANK WILSON Added to the Archive this week: A Pint of Guinness Shayne Terry Revelation Reaction Chris Carr The Settlers Marnie Rowe Tie Story Chris Carr Who Says It's Never Too Late? Wendy Richards and Tank Wilson Enjoy! The Index Crew ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:10:01 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures de Superman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Margaret wrote: > I was also surprised to see the full screen credits (in French) scrolling > up over the waving cape at the end. I don't know who did the dubbing > (thanks to Doris for the term:) Although, the print on the French credits > was nice and big and I thought I would be able to find out all those things > I couldn't read on the English credits (CTV and ABC had a tendency to > squish the credits into the left third of the screen while they ran an ad > for a show I couldn't care less about;p), but SRC cut off the credits part > way through and went to commercial:P So I don't know if the dubbing was > done in Europe or here in Canada;\ The dubbing was done entirely in France, in Joinville and then in Epinay-sur-Seine. Dean was dubbed by Emmanuel Curtil, who also dubbed Simba in Lion King, Chandler in Friends (and then Matthew Perry in his movies), Jim Carrey in all of his movies, and a lot of other shows and commercials. Fortunately, he's Dean's 'official' dubber since Lois & Clark, so we hear the same voice in Best Men and Futuresport. Teri was dubbed by Claire Guyot, who also dubbed in a lot of other TV shows, such as The Nanny (she was Maggie). Actually, I've always found her voice pretty close to Teri's, especially with the 'little girl' tone that they sometimes took (in SG, it's just hilarious ). But ever since I saw the eps in original, I can't watch the French version any more. Not only do we miss most of the emotion of the actors' game, but there's also the big problem of bad translations all over the place. Helene :) kaethel@club-internet.fr So We must meet apart - You there - I here - With just the Door ajar That Oceans are - and Prayer - And that White Sustenance - Despair - Emily Dickinson - I cannot live without you ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:40:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question Ann's knowledge is so helpful; I enjoy these discussion and find them very interesting. One thing I don't think she addressed though. Wendy wrote: >But some US writers would insert a > comma after 'quickly'; or would write something like this: 'But, he was > fine now.' As a US writer, I would call that last sentence wrong. I wouldn't put a comma after the "but". I don't think this is a US/UK difference; I think it's just a mistake. Dia wrote: >-Dia (who wonders: Is it out of spite, or perversity, or simple laziness, > that Agent "Please: Call Me Daniel" Scardino is called just 'Dan,' instead > of 'Daniel,' as he asked?) LOL! Doesn't Lois call him Dan though? I must admit those episodes aren't on my rewatch list ;) so I can't remember exactly, but I thought he introduced himself as Dan Scardino, and Lois keeps calling him that. So I think fanfic writers are off the hook -- Lois, however, may have been sending a message. Kathy P.S. to Erin ... are these grammar questions the result of editing, or are you working on *another* fanfic already?! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:09:27 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Kathy > > P.S. to Erin ... are these grammar questions the result of editing, or are > you working on *another* fanfic already?! > or.... the paranoid writer wonders ... are these as a result of heretofore unsuspected errors in the story you're editing for me?? :D -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "I am still confident of this: I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord." --Psalm 27:13-14 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:35:20 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/00 11:40:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: << Wendy wrote: >But some US writers would insert a > comma after 'quickly'; or would write something like this: 'But, he was > fine now.' As a US writer, I would call that last sentence wrong. I wouldn't put a comma after the "but". I don't think this is a US/UK difference; I think it's just a mistake.>> Ordinarily, I would agree with you, Kathy. I think, however, that a writer could make a case for putting the comma there if he or she viewed the "but" as a synonym for "however" rather than as a coordinate conjunction. This would change "but" into an introductory adverb which should be set off by a comma. Context would make this clearer. "But" can be used as an adverb, so the comma is possible. I am with you, though, that out of context, it looks wrong. Dia wrote: >-Dia (who wonders: Is it out of spite, or perversity, or simple laziness, > that Agent "Please: Call Me Daniel" Scardino is called just 'Dan,' instead > of 'Daniel,' as he asked?) LOL! Doesn't Lois call him Dan though? I must admit those episodes aren't on my rewatch list ;) so I can't remember exactly, but I thought he introduced himself as Dan Scardino, and Lois keeps calling him that. So I think fanfic writers are off the hook -- Lois, however, may have been sending a message. >> Didn't Scardino identify himself as "Dan" when he knocked on Lois' door at least once in WWW? I distinctly remember her answering the door with, "Who's there?" and receiving the answer, "It's me, Dan." (Which, of course, really should be "It's I.") Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:50:52 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: Re: Dubbing [was:Re: OT: Lois et Clark: Les Nouvelles Aventures deSuperman] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doris wrote: > i must admit that I disagree with nicky about liking lois voice and its > being in character. Just to clarify. I didn't say *I* liked Lois voice. I just said that many fans (especially the male fans) in Germany love it. Some even told me on the German list, that they were very disapointed about Teri's real voice. The German voice is much deeper and - as I said - a bit more of a vamp. Think Teri's "Wanda-voice", but without the accent. Personally I like the original voices much better and only watch the German episodes again, if I have to tape them for somebody, or if I stumble over Lois&Clark on German TV sometimes. But you raised another topic. The weird translations they sometimes do in the dubbed versions. In Lois and Clark there were several differences to the original. Most of them really minor things, but sometimes pretty annoying. A few examples: The inside joke in WHALTTA: "A little louder Lois. I don't think they heard you in Gotham City". They translated that in Germany with "A little louder, Lois. I don't think they heard you in San Diego." I don't know why they did that. Probably because they thought in Germany nobody would get the inside joke about the Batman-movie that was shot at WB to the same time, anyway. In "Never on sunday" they changed Clark's birthday from February 28th to March 15th. I never understood the reason for that one. In "Ordinary people" Heidi is singing the third verse of the national anthem. Since that one is forbidden in Germany (it was the official anthem during the Nazi-regime) they changed the song to a traditional song. Oh, and I heard that in "Pheromone my lovely" they translated Clark's "Did you never play hookey?" with "Did you never play hockey?" in Italy, which I thought was hilarious, LOL. Nicole AKA CKgroupie on IRC NKWolke@t-online.de Are you always searching for news about Dean Cain? And don't you have the time to go and find them? Here's your solution: Go to "The Dean Cain News Page" http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:48:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:35:20 EDT, Ann E. McBride wrote: >>>Ordinarily, I would agree with you, Kathy. I think, however, that a writer could make a case for putting the comma there if he or she viewed the "but" as a synonym for "however" rather than as a coordinate conjunction. This would change "but" into an introductory adverb which should be set off by a comma. Context would make this clearer. "But" can be used as an adverb, so the comma is possible. I am with you, though, that out of context, it looks wrong.<<< I'm afraid you lost me almost entirely with this explanation, Ann; I just don't have that kind of familiarity with the language of grammar. I'm not talking about circumstances where 'but' is used as a synonym for 'however' - I can at least answer that! I am increasingly seeing 'but', in its usual sense, used with a comma immediately afterwards (and not beginning a subordinate clause); eg: 'But, I can't come now.' 'But, she got lost.' I see this in both fanfic and published writing, all by US writers; which was why I asked the question. My practice, when editing, is to recommend removal of such commas, but (without a comma! ) this seemed an opportune moment to ask whether the practice is considered to be correct. Thanks for the reassurances, Kathy and Ann. :) Wendy ------------ Wendy Richards wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:29:25 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/00 1:49:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << My practice, when editing, is to recommend removal of such commas, but (without a comma! ) this seemed an opportune moment to ask whether the practice is considered to be correct. >> Good practice, Wendy. I honestly can't think of any time where it wouldn't be fine without the comma while most of the time the comma would be wrong. Plus, since "but" is so short and normally a conjunction, it's going to look weird with the comma to most people, no matter what the author intended. I think the crux of the matter is that way too many American schools are teaching writing using a method called "Whole language" in which children are encouraged to spell phonetically rather than find out how to correctly spell words. Furthermore, children are encouraged to put commas in wherever they would pause to take a breath if speaking. This, I believe, encourages the sloppiness we see from many writers. The method has been around for at least 20 years, so even people in their thirties may be victims. Ironically, the same schools that tell the children to spell phonetically do not teach them to read with phonics. How on earth they expect students to do the one without the other, I'll never know. I had an education professor in my university studies who taught a generation of English teachers not to correct poor grammar because it "might damage a child's self-esteem." For some reason, it always seemed to me that sounding uneducated might be more damaging. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:56:56 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Scardino (was Grammar....) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Dia wrote: > > >-Dia (who wonders: Is it out of spite, or perversity, or simple laziness, > > that Agent "Please: Call Me Daniel" Scardino is called just 'Dan,' instead > > of 'Daniel,' as he asked?) And Kathy responded: > > LOL! Doesn't Lois call him Dan though? I must admit those episodes aren't > on my rewatch list ;) so I can't remember exactly, but I thought he > introduced himself as Dan Scardino, and Lois keeps calling him that. So I > think fanfic writers are off the hook -- Lois, however, may have been sending > a message. >> > And Ann interjected : > Didn't Scardino identify himself as "Dan" when he knocked on Lois' door at > least once in WWW? I distinctly remember her answering the door with, "Who's > there?" and receiving the answer, "It's me, Dan." (Which, of course, really > should be "It's I.") > > I'm pretty sure (but don't quote me, as I haven't watched an episode in way too long a time) that at one point in the show Scardino tells Lois 'Please, call me Daniel.' Of course, she never does. And neither does anyone else either. I have the vague memory that that line of dialogue is in Perry's office, when Perry unwittingly introduces them to the 'Agent', being unaware that they've already had a run-in. Could be completely wrong though. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:02:24 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Scardino (was Grammar....) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, I'm ten minutes into being online and I'm pretty sure that I've just gone and answered a question that no one even asked. Just ignore me. LabRat :) (It's going to be one of those nights, I can tell...) > > > > > I'm pretty sure (but don't quote me, as I haven't watched an episode in way > too long a time) that at one point in the show Scardino tells Lois 'Please, > call me Daniel.' Of course, she never does. And neither does anyone else > either. I have the vague memory that that line of dialogue is in Perry's > office, when Perry unwittingly introduces them to the 'Agent', being unaware > that they've already had a run-in. > > Could be completely wrong though. > > LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:20:46 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Dan (Was: RE: Yet another grammar/punctuation question) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Dia wrote: > >>-Dia (who wonders: Is it out of spite, or perversity, or simple laziness, >> that Agent "Please: Call Me Daniel" Scardino is called just 'Dan,' instead >> of 'Daniel,' as he asked?) then Kathy answered: >LOL! Doesn't Lois call him Dan though? I must admit those episodes aren't >on my rewatch list ;) Really? I always find it mind boggling to hear this, though I know you're not alone in your avoidance of these eps. But I have to admit that they're among my favorites. ;) Just as Dan brought about that distraction for Lois (not to mention giving our feet-dragging Clark a big shove in the right direction ;)), Mason did the same thing in Lois' respect. Plus those eps brough about such great competition and conflict between the characters, along with some of my very favorite, memorable dialogue (not to mention Rocky Road comparisons ): "My heart is just...*conflicted*!" (Lois to Dr. Friskin) and I think my all time fav, from 'Church of Metropolis': "Clark, she's dirty." "Show me the proof." "You don't have any proof on Snell, and you're willing to go after him." "That's different, Lois. I told you, I have a...source." "I'll tell you what's different. When Snell bats his eyes, you don't get quite so giddy!" "Uh, what, are you jealous?" "*What?! No, I'm not jealous! We're friends, and we're partners. And whatever you do in your time is...." "Yeah?" "...whatever you do. I don't care, except when it effects our job." "How is it effecting our job to say that I disagree? To say that you have no proof that Church is the head of Intergang.... [snip]...we've got to stay on track." "But you're not saying 'stay on track,' you're saying 'stay away from your girlfriend'!" "She is *not* my girlfriend." "Well, whatever she is, she has got you fingerwrapped and blindfolded!" "You know...if anyone's blind around here, it's you!" "Well, *WHAT* is that supposed to mean?!" Ahhh. The good old days of jealousy and competition. I don't think they would've gotten their butts in gear and realized they'd better hurry up and do something about moving their relationship forward before they lost the chance forever. I honestly don't think the show would've been the same without them. So, at the risk or cyber tomatoes being thrown in my direction...long live Mason and Dan! >Kathy > >P.S. to Erin ... are these grammar questions the result of editing, or are >you working on *another* fanfic already?! ANOTHER one?! Bite your tongue! Like I was telling Wendy, my muse has packed her bags and left...maybe permanently. I was just asking the punctuation and grammar questions because I'm tweaking 'Darkest Hour' to *death* before it hits the Archive. And no, I'm not always such a perfectionist. Just those hours I'm awake. Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:33:57 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question In-Reply-To: <39E88537.3942A8F8@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Kathy >> >> P.S. to Erin ... are these grammar questions the result of editing, or are >> you working on *another* fanfic already?! >> > >or.... the paranoid writer wonders ... are these as a result of >heretofore unsuspected errors in the story you're editing for me?? :D LOL! No, Pam, not to worry. Reading your story and great writing is what made me doubt my ability to write a legible sentence. Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:29:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Dan (Was: RE: Yet another grammar/punctuation question) On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:20:46 -0600, Erin Klingler wrote: > So, at the risk or cyber tomatoes being thrown in my >direction...long live Mason and Dan! LOL! Not from me ... I agree with you about Mayson and Dan. I think they were good plot devices. (Unlike Deter, who was a ... well, I can't say on a family list. ;) >Really? I always find it mind boggling to hear this, though I know you're not >alone in your avoidance of these eps. But I have to admit that they're among >my favorites. ;) I should clarify which episode I meant. I was talking about Resurrection, where Dan introduces himself for the first time. That's one I find painful to watch, because Clark acts so stupid and it's his own fault that Lois feels hurt and thus turns to Dan. The later Dan episodes I don't mind, especially WWW, which is arguably my absolute favorite ep of the series. :) Kathy (who isn't surprised she and Erin ultimately agree on this ) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:32:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Scardino (was Grammar....) On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:02:24 +0100, LabRat wrote: >Okay, I'm ten minutes into being online and I'm pretty sure that I've just >gone and answered a question that no one even asked. Just ignore me. LOL, Lab! That's OK ... we know your brain is fried from writing all that fanfic. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:55:23 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Dan (Was: RE: Yet another grammar/punctuation question) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote: >> So, at the risk or cyber tomatoes being thrown in my >>direction...long live Mason and Dan! to which Kathy responded: >LOL! Not from me ... I agree with you about Mayson and Dan. I think they were >good plot devices. (Unlike Deter, who was a ... well, I can't say on a family >list. ;) ROTFL! Agreed! Let's all throw our cyber tomatoes at that nasty creation. :P But I have to admit, I feel pretty lame for spelling Mayson's name wrong in my previous post. I wondered if I had spelled it wrong, but couldn't decide. I should've know better. Here I am, proclaiming how wonderful she and Dan were, yet I can't even spell her name right. Must've been those 2 hours of sleep I had last night. (Ohhh, Kathy, what you have to look forward to ) >I should clarify which episode I meant. I was talking about Resurrection, >where Dan introduces himself for the first time. That's one I find painful >to watch, because Clark acts so stupid and it's his own fault that Lois feels >hurt and thus turns to Dan. Amen to that! I wanted to grab Clark and smack him! Especially in WWW where he's packing to leave. WHAT was up with THAT? I'm glad he finally came to his senses. It must've been that kiss Lois planted on him. >Kathy (who isn't surprised she and Erin ultimately agree on this ) > Yeah, big surprise there, isn't it, Kathy? If you don't mind, though, I think I need the use of our shared brain for the weekend. My half's not functioning so well on so little sleep. ;) Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:43:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Phonics (was Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:29:25 EDT, Ann E. McBride wrote: >I think the crux of the matter is that way too many American schools are >teaching writing using a method called "Whole language" in which children are >encouraged to spell phonetically rather than find out how to correctly spell >words. >Ironically, the same schools that tell the children to spell phonetically do >not teach them to read with phonics. I've seen a lot of backlash against whole language in recent years, and especially with the popularity of "Hooked on Phonics" and similiar programs, I'm hopeful that phonics is coming back into schools. I believe my daughter's school uses phonics to teach early reading (though since she's only in Kindergarten, she's not far enough into the material yet to really judge the program). As with many things, I think the problem comes in the extremes -- whole language has its place and can really help kids get a feel for writing before they might otherwise do so. But eliminating phonics all together seems to have been a disaster in the American school system. Does the experience of other parents of elementary students agree with this? Are your schools emphasizing phonics again? Kathy (who shuddered when Ann explained why comma placement is so poor these days -- that's exactly it, they put them whenever they take a breath. ARGH!!) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:45:01 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Scardino (was Grammar....) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > LOL, Lab! That's OK ... we know your brain is fried from writing all that > fanfic. > > Kathy Actually, very surprisingly, yes. For once I can agree with that one! Although it's actually fried from trying to persuade Clark not to go off on 6 page tangents, when I'm trying to finish this one! ;) LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:55:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Dan (Was: RE: Yet another grammar/punctuation question) On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:55:23 -0600, Erin Klingler wrote: > Must've been those 2 >hours of sleep I had last night. (Ohhh, Kathy, what you have to look forward >to ) LOL! Tell me about it. I've had my dog at the vet's the last three mornings in a row. Turns out he's got a terrible eye infection, but they finally found the source and he should be on the road to recovery. (I still can't quite believe the vet invited me in the operating room to watch him do his little minor surgery on my dog's eyes, but it was kind of cool. My husband would have passed out though. ) But now that Tom is home (yes, my dog's name is Tom ), he's got one of those big plastic cone collars around his neck so he can't rub his eyes, and he was so drugged up that I had to carry him outside (all 32 lbs of him) so he could relieve himself. Plus he can't see very well until the swelling goes down, so I have to watch him so he doesn't bump into things, and we had to block off the stairs. And I have to give him medicine every two hours for the entire weekend, so I'm totally tied to the house. Geez, talk about practice for next year! LOL!!! Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:33:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Betty Cheng Subject: Re: Phonics (was Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: << Kathy (who shuddered when Ann explained why comma placement is so poor these << days -- that's exactly it, they put them whenever they take a breath. << ARGH!!) Well, I guess Lois wasn't taught under that system of no grammar rules then. Otherwise, there will be absolutely no commas in her (or any of the Lane women's) writing. (Probably no periods too when she's in babbling mode.) Cheers, Simba (who has no idea how to put get that phrase "On Saturday, October ...... EST, somebody wrote:") ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:23:25 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/2000 1:49:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << I see this in both fanfic and published writing, all by US writers; >> Wendy always tries to be polite and offer the excuse that the rules are different in the US and UK. More often than not, it is just poor education or sloppy writing, not a difference in convention at all. I think for the most part, Wendy is quite familiar with the real differences in how we use English. --Laurie (who got lost in this discussion long ago) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:07:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Question for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm sure I have the information somewhere, but... What is the name of the last known mayor of Metropolis from the fourth season? I think she was played by Nancy Dussault. Thanks in advance. Irene ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:05:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > LOL! No, Pam, not to worry. Reading your story and great writing is what > made me doubt my ability to write a legible sentence. Um, thanks. Well, we all have our strengths... I only *wish* I could pull plots out of thin air like *some* writers I know :) -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "I am still confident of this: I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord." --Psalm 27:13-14 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:13:15 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Question for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as I know, they didn't give her name, Irene. In the credits she was just listed as "The Mayor". I made up her name in "Blind Man's Bluff". Nan Irene D. wrote: > I'm sure I have the information somewhere, but... > > What is the name of the last known mayor of Metropolis > from the fourth season? I think she was played by > Nancy Dussault. > > Thanks in advance. > > Irene > > ===== > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:15:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Question for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mind if I use the same name, Nan? Irene --- Nancy Smith wrote: > As far as I know, they didn't give her name, Irene. > In the credits she > was just listed as "The Mayor". I made up her name > in "Blind Man's > Bluff". > > Nan > > Irene D. wrote: > > > I'm sure I have the information somewhere, but... > > > > What is the name of the last known mayor of > Metropolis > > from the fourth season? I think she was played by > > Nancy Dussault. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Irene > > > > ===== > > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's > FREE. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 20:45:36 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gerry Anklewicz Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question In-Reply-To: <95.1c99acb.2719e548@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU writes: >In a message dated 10/14/00 11:40:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: > ><< Wendy wrote: > > >But some US writers would insert a > > comma after 'quickly'; or would write something like this: 'But, he was > > fine now.' > > As a US writer, I would call that last sentence wrong. I wouldn't put a > comma after the "but". I don't think this is a US/UK difference; I think > it's just a mistake.>> > >Ordinarily, I would agree with you, Kathy. I think, however, that a >writer >could make a case for putting the comma there if he or she viewed the >"but" >as a synonym for "however" rather than as a coordinate conjunction. This >would change "but" into an introductory adverb which should be set off by >a >comma. Context would make this clearer. "But" can be used as an >adverb, so >the comma is possible. I am with you, though, that out of context, it >looks >wrong. >Ann If you are using "but" as an adverb, then the sentence has to have a semi-colon because it offsets two main clauses. e.g. Clark should have told Lois that he was Superman, but he was not ready to admit it. or Clark should have told Lois that he was Superman; however, he was not ready to admit it. > I wonder if "but" can be used as an adverb? I don't think so. As soon as the word "but" is in the sentence it acts as a conjunction. Gerry ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:59:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Question for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay by me. Remember, though, in my story, she was the villain. Nan Irene D. wrote: > Mind if I use the same name, Nan? > > Irene > > --- Nancy Smith wrote: > > As far as I know, they didn't give her name, Irene. > > In the credits she > > was just listed as "The Mayor". I made up her name > > in "Blind Man's > > Bluff". > > > > Nan > > > > Irene D. wrote: > > > > > I'm sure I have the information somewhere, but... > > > > > > What is the name of the last known mayor of > > Metropolis > > > from the fourth season? I think she was played by > > > Nancy Dussault. > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > Irene > > > > > > ===== > > > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's > > FREE. > > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > ===== > sirenegold@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:46:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yael Kfir Subject: OT: Not-goodbye Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, On this coming Monday - October 16, 2000 =96 I will recruit the Israeli Def= ense Forces for a compulsory service of two and a half years. I wanted to thank you all for the last two years. I know I lurked here most= of the time, yet I felt a real part of this community. I was so proud to b= e =91an acquaintance=92 of so many talented people. I admire all the writers for their talent to write and courage to publish; = I apologize for all the times I didn=92t send feedback, no matter what was = the reason. I was cleaning my hard-drive today (and my room. And the closet= , and the bookcase =96 I am in a cleaning mood!) and found the sketches to = the fanfic I started to write once. I had a noble thought about writing all= night and posting it as a good-bye message, but it was even more difficult= than what I thought, so I=92ll just have to stay in the list until I finis= h it (or at least put it in an organized draft format=85) I am not removing myself from the list - I will try to see how I manage in = the weekends. Yet this is =91an end of an era=92 for me and the beginning o= f a new one, and I wanted to share it with you. Yael (going to sleep now, as only an hour ago she succeeded in shooing all = her friends from her house) 15 Oct. 2000 03:36am Ashkelon, Israel. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=3Dsignup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:49:50 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Yet another grammar/punctuation question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/00 8:47:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gerry.Anklewicz@NTEL.TDSB.ON.CA writes: << I wonder if "but" can be used as an adverb? I don't think so. As soon as the word "but" is in the sentence it acts as a conjunction. >> Actually, "but" can be used as an adverb. It's not too common, however. According to the "American Heritage Dictionary" (wish I knew how to underline in email), "but" can mean "no more than, only, or just. It can also be synonymous with "nevertheless, however, still, and yet." I would agree that it is most often seen as a conjunction. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:05:45 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: OT: Not-goodbye MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yael, I wish you the best of good luck and safety in your tour of duty. With all the unrest in your part of the world right now, I will worry about you. I hope that your time will be spent safely ensconced behind a desk in some place like Tel Aviv. Take care of yourself, and stay in touch with the list when you can. Shalom. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:27:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: OT: Not-goodbye MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Be safe, Yael. With everything I've been seeing in the last couple of days, I'll worry about you. We'll look forward to hearing from you on weekends. Let us know how you are doing. Nan Yael Kfir wrote: > Dear Friends, > > On this coming Monday - October 16, 2000 – I will recruit the Israeli Defense Forces for a compulsory service of two and a half years. > > I wanted to thank you all for the last two years. I know I lurked here most of the time, yet I felt a real part of this community. I was so proud to be ‘an acquaintance’ of so many talented people. > > I admire all the writers for their talent to write and courage to publish; I apologize for all the times I didn’t send feedback, no matter what was the reason. I was cleaning my hard-drive today (and my room. And the closet, and the bookcase – I am in a cleaning mood!) and found the sketches to the fanfic I started to write once. I had a noble thought about writing all night and posting it as a good-bye message, but it was even more difficult than what I thought, so I’ll just have to stay in the list until I finish it (or at least put it in an organized draft format…) > > I am not removing myself from the list - I will try to see how I manage in the weekends. Yet this is ‘an end of an era’ for me and the beginning of a new one, and I wanted to share it with you. > > Yael (going to sleep now, as only an hour ago she succeeded in shooing all her friends from her house) > > 15 Oct. 2000 > 03:36am > Ashkelon, Israel. > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:32:20 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kass Johnson Subject: Re: OT: Not-goodbye MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good luck, Yael, and try to stay safe in that chaos. Please let us know how you're doing. Take care, Kara I've learned that maturity has more to do with what types of experiences you've had and less to do with how many birthdays you've celebrated. _________________________________________________________ I've learned that our background and circumstances may have influenced who we are, but we are responsible for who we become. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:20:23 +0930 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Kaye Subject: Re: L&C on FOXTEL In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hey gals/guys :) > >For those who dont know and who have cable tv (in Australia)...I just >thought you would like to know that I have been in contact with FOXTEL and >they informed me that at the moment they do not have the rights over L&C but >that they are planning to be able to air the show (which is currently >actually screening only on OPTUSVISION) sometime in the next three months... >keeping our fingers crossed!!! It'll be good to be able to re-tape one or >two of the episodes like ATAI and WHATTA that have dramatically decreased in >tape quality after a couple of thousand runs ;) > >Catchyas!, >-Luc. Oh my god! I don't have cable! I just spoke to my parents and they said I could get cable for a trial run during the holidays, which are about 1-2 months away. So I may be able to see it after all! My father is completely against but I may be able to convince him! ~Larissa~ >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:14:19 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: OT: Not-goodbye MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Be safe Yael come back to us merry Yael Kfir wrote: > Dear Friends, > > On this coming Monday - October 16, 2000 – I will recruit the Israeli Defense Forces for a compulsory service of two and a half years. > > I wanted to thank you all for the last two years. I know I lurked here most of the time, yet I felt a real part of this community. I was so proud to be ‘an acquaintance’ of so many talented people. > > I admire all the writers for their talent to write and courage to publish; I apologize for all the times I didn’t send feedback, no matter what was the reason. I was cleaning my hard-drive today (and my room. And the closet, and the bookcase – I am in a cleaning mood!) and found the sketches to the fanfic I started to write once. I had a noble thought about writing all night and posting it as a good-bye message, but it was even more difficult than what I thought, so I’ll just have to stay in the list until I finish it (or at least put it in an organized draft format…) > > I am not removing myself from the list - I will try to see how I manage in the weekends. Yet this is ‘an end of an era’ for me and the beginning of a new one, and I wanted to share it with you. > > Yael (going to sleep now, as only an hour ago she succeeded in shooing all her friends from her house) > > 15 Oct. 2000 > 03:36am > Ashkelon, Israel. > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup