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Hey, all you grammar experts out there...  :)

I'm doing some final editing for 'DH' before sending it on to the Archive
for
some poor general editor to read (they're going to *hate* me when they see
the
assigned 600k story file in their mail box  :P), but once again I'm stuck on
something.

What exactly are the simple rules of thumb for "lay, lie, laid"???  (I
shouldn't say 'simple.'  What in the English language is simple? <g>)  Can
anyone tell me the differences and instances in which they should be used in
such a way that I'll never again be confused or forget?  If so, I'll be
forever in your debt.  :)

Thanks in advance!

Erin  :)
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Hi Erin,

In a message dated 10/1/00 2:42:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, erink@IDA.NET
writes:

<<  What exactly are the simple rules of thumb for "lay, lie, laid"???  (I
 shouldn't say 'simple.'  What in the English language is simple? <g>)  Can
 anyone tell me the differences and instances in which they should be used
in
 such a way that I'll never again be confused or forget?  If so, I'll be
 forever in your debt.  :) >>

Here goes, and it is simple:

to lie-- means to place one's self in a prone position.  "I lie down today."
"lie" is the present tense.      "lay" is the past tense of "lie".  "I lay
down yesterday."   "Lain" is the past participle of "lie."   "She has lain
there for over an hour."

to lay  -- means to place someone or something down. "Lay" is the present
tense.  "She lays her purse on the table."  "Laid" is the past tense and the
past participle of "to lay."  "Clark laid Lois on the ground yesterday."
"He
has laid her there many times, since she always turns her ankle."

Does this make sense?

Ann
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Here's a chart from a grammar book that always helps me.  A chart makes it
so
simple!  I hope it comes through OK, since I'm going to use tabs.

Meaning     Meaning

To assume a position   To place an object
(needs no object)   (needs an object)

lie (present)    lay (present)

lay (past)     laid (past)

lain (past participle)  laid (past participle)

lying (present participle)  laying (present participle)

Kathy
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Well, I see the tabs didn't come out to well, at least on the website
version.  So if you think it would helpful, recopy the chart info into your
word processor and use it that way.  :)

Kathy
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Thanks so much for the clarification, guys!  And now that I read the correct
usages, I see that I've made a mess of confusing the two throughout my
writings.  Ugh.  How embarrasing.  :P  But thank you for clearing that up
once
and for all!  :)

Erin  (off to make a LOT of changes <sg>)
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Hi Erin:  Ann pretty much has it nailed except that she negrected the
present participles which are so often misused.  Many people confuse 'lying'
with prevaricating and so tend to use 'laying' for everything.  'Lying' is
the present participle of 'to lie' which refers to more than just a person
reclining.  For examle ' a book lies on a table' after 'Lois lays it there.'
Notice that 'lays' is followed by an object 'it' but in the first instance
the book is just there .  With 'lying' and 'laying' , 'the book is lying on
the table., while Clark is laying Lois on the bed.'  (That's not too racy is
it?)  Hope it's clearer.  Feel free to ask me about specifics privately if
you wish.  Jude
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Subject: Calling Grammar Experts! :)

> Hey, all you grammar experts out there...  :)
>
> I'm doing some final editing for 'DH' before sending it on to the Archive
for
> some poor general editor to read (they're going to *hate* me when they see
the
> assigned 600k story file in their mail box  :P), but once again I'm stuck
on
> something.
>
> What exactly are the simple rules of thumb for "lay, lie, laid"???  (I
> shouldn't say 'simple.'  What in the English language is simple? <g>)  Can
> anyone tell me the differences and instances in which they should be used
in
> such a way that I'll never again be confused or forget?  If so, I'll be
> forever in your debt.  :)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Erin  :)
> __________________
> erink@ida.net
> Visit my LNC/Kerth Website:  www.ida.net/users/davek
>              *****
> "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they
happen."
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Hi everyone:  This is a question that has bothered me for a while.  In
several  L&C fics I've seen the word 'lead' pronounced 'led' used as the
past tense spelling for the verb 'to lead'.  As far as I know  'lead' is
pronounced 'led' only when it is a noun referring to that ore we're all so
familiar with as in 'lead-lined'.  The past tense of the verb  'to lead'
pronounced 'leed' is spelled 'led' as it is pronounced.  So is this 'lead
pronounced led' usage another Brit -Canadian thing or is it just bad
spelling?  Jude
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In a message dated 10/1/00 3:42:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

<< This is a question that has bothered me for a while.  In
 several  L&C fics I've seen the word 'lead' pronounced 'led' used as the
 past tense spelling for the verb 'to lead'.  As far as I know  'lead' is
 pronounced 'led' only when it is a noun referring to that ore we're all so
 familiar with as in 'lead-lined'.  The past tense of the verb  'to lead'
 pronounced 'leed' is spelled 'led' as it is pronounced.  So is this 'lead
 pronounced led' usage another Brit -Canadian thing or is it just bad
 spelling?  >>

"Led" is the past tense and past participle of the verb "to lead."

"lead" when pronounced "led" is a soft metal, formerly used in pipes and
currently used in bullets.

Ann
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Ann said:
>to lie-- means to place one's self in a prone position.

Or supine, or even on one's side, I expect.  ("Prone" specifically means
facedown.  "Supine" is on the back.  Dunno if there's a specific word for
lying on one's side.)

Nice explanation, Ann.  I know how to use the words correctly, but I'd have
had an awful time explaining them!

Becky

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The fanzine stories are now up on the Archive (www.lcfanfic.com).  If you
missed the fanzine last summer, you're in for a real treat.  There are ten
--
count 'em, ten! -- new stories for your reading pleasure. And if you did
purchase the fanzine last year, you'll surely agree that these stories are
worth rereading. :)

(I'll also point people especially to Sheila Harper's "In The Beginning", to
which she's added a few scenes from the original fanzine version.)

Kathy
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In the interest of posting more stories here to the fanfic listserv -- and
requesting and encouraging feedback -- I'm posting my fanzine story here as
well as to the Archive.

All feedback, public and private, is welcome and appreciated.  (And for
those
of you who have told me "writers say that, but I didn't think they really
meant it!", this means I really mean it. <g>)

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Description:  Clark takes it hard when he receives bad news about an old
friend, which convinces Lois that this woman must have been "the one that
got
away".  A Charity Fanzine story.

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THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY
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Rated PG
Submitted August 2000

A Charity Fanzine story, first released summer 1999
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This story is set very early in the second season, soon after "The Source",
for those of you keeping track. :)

Comments welcome and appreciated.

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The Daily Planet newsroom bustled with activity as it did every Wednesday
afternoon.  Wednesdays were notoriously slow news days, but the reporters
and
editors who worked for what was arguably the most prestigious newspaper in
the world always had their hands full.  Stories that had been simmering on
low needed to be expertly stirred, feature articles that had been in process
all week needed to be completed for the large Sunday edition, and of course,
there were always the various Superman sightings that, while not always
Earth-saving, were nearly always newsworthy.

At his desk, Clark Kent finished his article with a flourish on the keyboard
and sat back, triumphant.  "Yes!" he called out to whoever was in earshot --
in this case, his partner and best friend, Lois Lane, and their favorite
researcher, Jimmy Olsen.  "I finally got that follow-up piece on whistle-
blowers completed for Perry.  I've been working on it like a dog since last
week, when Stuart Hofferman admitted that Viologic was installing faulty
parts.  I'm hoping Perry will approve it for the Sunday feature's page.  I'm
pretty happy with it."

Lois looked up from her own keyboard.  "Nice to know that my getting put on
suspension gave you an idea for your own story," she said, the mildness in
her voice tempering the sarcasm of the words.  "Maybe you could throw me a
bone, thank me for my 'input'."

Clark raised an amused eyebrow at her.  "Hey, I seem to remember asking a
certain reporter in this room for assistance on this story, only to be told
that the story wasn't *interesting* enough."   Clark picked up the framed
picture of he and Lois at the Kerth Awards last month and crossed the aisle
between their desks.   "Chew on *this*, my little puppy dog," he gloated
teasingly.  "Maybe this story will earn me another Kerth nomination."   As
he
reached her desk, Clark patted Lois on the head, then affectionately rubbed
behind one ear.  "Gooood girl, gooood Lois," he baby-talked, then
immediately
jumped out of the way as she whipped a hand around to smack him.

Jimmy Olsen looked up from the computer files he'd been searching and
watched
them in awe.  Before Clark Kent had joined the newsroom staff, Jimmy
couldn't
imagine anyone talking to Lois like that -- let alone *touching* her -- and
living to tell about it.  Yet, here she was, not only taking Clark's teasing
in stride, but actually looking like she was enjoying it.

It was nice to see Lois like this, smiling and laughing, even as she --
Jimmy
was certain -- plotted her revenge against her partner.  It wasn't more than
a few short months ago that Jimmy had thought he might never see this side
of
Lois again.   This past spring, she had almost married Lex Luthor, unwilling
and unable to believe that he was the mastermind behind much of Metropolis's
criminal activity.   Luthor's subsequent suicide and the investigation that
followed revealed much about the man -- more than even Clark or Inspector
Henderson had suspected when they began trying to expose him.

The incident had shaken Lois's confidence deeply.  Though the Planet
building
had been rebuilt after Franklin Stern had bought the paper from Luthor's
estate, rebuilding Lois Lane had not been nearly as easy.  When she had
returned to work early that summer, she was a mere shell of the woman she
had
been.  She had retreated into herself and her work, once more threatening to
become the person she had been last year -- the person she'd been before
Superman flew onto the scene, before she'd dated Lex Luthor, and before she
had begun working with Clark Kent.

Jimmy and Perry had tried to be there for Lois as the summer months passed,
but everyone knew that it was Clark who was responsible for bringing her
back
to life.  Their friendship had taken a beating last spring, as they had
fought bitterly over Lex Luthor.  Clark had suspected all along that Luthor
was no good, but any attempts on his part to convince Lois of that were
dismissed as jealousy and inexperience.  After Lois had accepted Lex's
engagement ring and the wedding date was set for only weeks in the future,
things went from bad to worse.  Clark alternated between anger and hurt when
dealing with Lois and rebuffed all of her attempts at friendship.  Jimmy was
uncertain exactly what had happened between them, but a blind man could see
that Clark was acting the part of the rejected suitor.

After Luthor's suicide, however, Clark seemed consumed with regret.  He
hated
the man, yes, but he never wanted him dead, and he most certainly had never
wanted to see Lois get hurt.  Lois and Clark seemed to patch things up soon
thereafter, spending lots of time together in their off hours, each bending
over backwards to be nice to the other one.  It was as if they'd each
realized how precious their friendship was, and how easily it could be lost.

Now that autumn was approaching, things seemed to be getting back on track.
The partners had been uneasy at first -- "careful" around each other might
be
the best term -- but slowly they had become more comfortable.  Now the sound
of Lois and Clark laughing over some private joke or teasing each other
affectionately had become more common in the newsroom.

Lois had even been Clark's date to the Kerth Awards last month.  Jimmy shook
his head.  That little turn of events had certainly raised a few eyebrows
and
kicked the office gossip into high gear.   From the way they acted around
each other, it was clear that there was more than just a subtle attraction
between the reporting team.   Around the water cooler, some of the bolder
staff members liked to lay odds on how long it would take for Lane and Kent
to stop dancing around each other and become a couple.  (Of course, the
really bold ones -- sometimes encouraged by a few drinks at the bar around
the corner where staffers often met for Happy Hour -- liked to speculate on
whether they were already sleeping together, which usually caused the men in
the group to give some type of evaluation on Lois's body, and the women to
do
the same about Clark.)

But from the way Lois and Clark acted around each other, neither seemed in a
hurry to move their relationship beyond friendship.  It seemed that, for
them, teasing banter was enough.  Or, if it wasn't, neither of them was
brave
enough to make the first move.

***

Perry stuck his head out of his office door.  "Kent!" he barked, causing
Lois, Clark and Jimmy to jump.

"Yeah, Chief?" Clark asked, exchanging a slightly guilty look with Lois, as
if they'd been caught passing notes in class.

Perry, however, ignored their play, if he had seen it at all.  "That
whistle-
blower feature looks good.  I won't have time to really give it a go-through
until tonight, but it looks likely for the Sunday edition."  Perry then
turned his attention to Lois, his smile fading.  "Lois, how's that story on
the rampant vandalism in the South Side coming along?"

Lois rolled her eyes.  "Slowly ... I can't get anyone to talk about who
might
be involved.  Things just seem to be going from bad to worse over there."

"Well, get on it!" Perry ordered.  "I've got fourteen inches saved for you
in
tonight's paper and if you can't produce, I need to give it to someone
else!"
With that, he retreated to his office and slammed the door.

Clark cringed.  "Ouch.  You need any help?"

Lois pursed her lips. "No, thank you," she said curtly.  "I can finish it
just fine by myself -- if someone would stop throwing Milk Bones in my path
to distract me.  Geez, give a guy a Kerth and it goes to his head," she
grumbled, then shot him a sideways glance to let him know she wasn't as mad
as she sounded.

Clark just laughed and waved the picture as he walked backwards towards his
desk.  "Ha ha ha ha ha," he sing-songed, "I'm all finished and you're not."
He ducked as the pen she'd been holding sailed over his shoulder.

A few moments later, the phone on Clark's desk rang.  "Clark Kent!" he
chirped, his good mood evident.  "Hey, Billy-boy!!  Long time no see!"

Lois shook her head at his pleased outburst, then ignored him as Clark
leaned
back in his chair to enjoy what was obviously a non-work-related phone
conversation.  After several moments, however, Lois's attention was caught
by
Clark's voice once again.  Only this time, he didn't sound happy.

"What?" Clark gasped.  "Oh my God, no!"

Lois and Jimmy looked up at Clark's outburst then exchanged a look of
concern.  Clark had leaned forward and was curled in on himself, his elbows
propped on his desk.  He cradled the phone to his ear with one hand and ran
the other through his hair.

"Well, when is the funeral?  I can be there in--  WHAT??!"  Now he sounded
angry.  "Last month!  Why didn't anyone--  I know, Bill, but--  Yes, I know
he's her husband, but she was my--."   Lois watched as Clark took a deep
breath and sat back, defeated.  His voice grew quiet.  "Yeah ... I know.
I'm
sorry, Billy.  I'll call him this weekend.  Thanks for letting me know ...
yeah, thanks again ..."

Lois sat up, alarmed.  It was obvious from the phone conversation that
someone close to Clark had died, but she had no idea who.  All she knew is
that he looked like he needed her.  She leaned forward in her chair, waiting
impatiently for him to wrap up his phone call.

Suddenly, Perry opened his door.  "Lois, can you come in here, please?"

Lois hesitated.  She really wanted to talk to Clark, to make sure he was OK,
but there was something in her editor's voice that told her he really wasn't
making a request.  "Uh ... can I do it in a second, Chief?"

"No, Lois, now ... and bring your notes on the South Side.  I have some
information you might be interested in."

Lois reluctantly picked up her current story folder and walked towards
Perry's office.  Clark was still hunched over his phone, looking several
times smaller than he had just moments before.  He was listening intently to
the phone, occasionally asking quiet questions that Lois couldn't make out.
With a sigh, she walked into Perry's office, casting one last backwards
glance at her partner.

***

Lois had almost forgotten about the phone call as Perry laid out the
information a source had just provided him.  Intergang?  In the South Side?
This was huge!  Suddenly, her little story about vandalism wasn't so little
anymore.  She should call her Uncle Mike ... see if he knew anything ...

Just then, there was a quiet knock at the office door.  As Perry waved him
in, Clark entered, looking tired and a little pale.

Lois looked at him in concern and sympathy. "Hey, are you all right?" she
said softly, taking his hand and giving it a little squeeze.

Clark afforded Lois a sad smile as he squeezed back briefly, then dropped
her
hand and stepped away.   He looked at their editor instead.  "Perry, I'm
gonna take off for the rest of the day.  I'm not ... feeling too well right
now, and I think I'm just going to go home."

Perry raised an eyebrow.  "What's wrong, son?"

Clark shook his head.  "Ahh ... I just need to go home.  I'll be OK.  I've
finished my story for tonight; it's in your computer waiting for you.
Anything else, I'll get to tomorrow."

Perry looked like he was going to press further, then thought better of it.
"OK, Clark, we'll see you tomorrow then."

"Thanks, Chief," Clark replied quietly.

He was almost out the door when Lois called him back.  "Clark?"

Clark stopped in the doorway and met Lois's eyes.  "Yes?"

They stared at each other for what seemed like an eternity.  Lois hesitated
as she lost herself in his eyes.  They looked so sad ... it was a look she
was unaccustomed to seeing in Clark's face.  She swallowed.  "Feel better,"
she whispered.

He smiled softly in gratitude.  "Thanks," he replied as he shut the door
behind him.

***

By the time Lois and Perry emerged from the office, Clark was gone.  His
computer was shut down and his light turned off.  Lois looked at his empty
desk wistfully, suddenly missing her partner.  It wasn't the first time he
had disappeared in the middle of the day, but somehow this felt different.
She was used to him being gone physically without an explanation, but this
time, Lois got the feeling he was pulling away from her emotionally as well.

She snagged Jimmy as he walked past.  "Jimmy!  What happened to Clark?  Who
was on the phone?"

Perry cocked his head as he overheard.  "What happened?"

"Clark got a phone call right before you called me into your office," Lois
explained.  "He sounded pretty upset.  It was obvious that someone had died,
but I couldn't tell who.  It wasn't his parents, though, right, Jimmy?"

Jimmy shook his head.  "No, a friend of his.  Got killed in an accident last
month."

"Last month?  Yeah, he sounded mad that he was just finding out now," Lois
mused.  "I take it they already had the funeral and didn't invite him?"

Jimmy grimaced as he thought about how to phrase the next part.  "I think
...
it was an ex-girlfriend and her husband didn't want Clark there."

Lois's eyes widened.  "What?" she gasped.  This was not at all what she'd
expected Jimmy to say.

Jimmy lowered his voice a little.  "I'm not sure, but that was the
impression
I got.  Clark was pretty upset when he got off the phone and I went over to
his desk to see if he wanted to talk.  He said he hadn't seen her in years,
but they'd been really close once.  He said that she was ... special."

"Special," Lois echoed wistfully.

"That's what he said ..." Jimmy concurred.

Perry exhaled.  "Well, no wonder the boy looked so upset.  Probably needed
to
go home and clear his head.  It's hard when anyone you're close to dies, but
when it's someone so young ... well, that's just a darn shame."

"You said she was married, though, Jimmy?" Lois followed up.  She wasn't
sure
why it was so important to her, but it was.

The young man nodded.  "That's what Clark said, that he felt bad for her
husband.  Sounded like he had some mixed feelings about the guy."

Perry looked speculative.  "Hmm, maybe they competed for this girl and Clark
lost."

Lois stood up a little taller.  "You don't know that," she defended.  "Maybe
... they were just friends.  Maybe ... he just didn't like her choice of
husbands."

Perry shrugged.  "You're right, I don't know that ... I don't know anything
about it.  Just supposing.  But if what Jimmy said is true ... that Clark
called this girl special ... maybe she was the one that got away."

Lois pursed her lips, suddenly annoyed.  "I have work to do," she said
abruptly.  "We can speculate all we want, but the only one that really knows
is Clark."  And with that, she turned and stalked back towards her desk.

***

Lois sat at home that night, curled up on the couch with a tub of chocolate
ice cream in her lap.  She stared unseeingly at the television, lost in
thought as she mindlessly lifted her spoon from the container to her mouth.
Clark hadn't returned to the office this afternoon, not that she'd expected
him to.   She had called his apartment before she'd left work, but hadn't
gotten any answer.  She'd left a brief message, suddenly feeling shy when
the
machine beeped at her -- "Hi, it's me.  Just calling to see if you wanted to
talk."  And then she'd hung up quickly, not sure what she'd say if he were
to
pick up after all.

Lois had found herself going through the afternoon on auto-pilot, much as
she
imagined Clark might have done if he had stayed at work.  She felt oddly
depressed, as if it were a good friend from her past who had died.  She
wasn't quite sure why she felt this way ... she certainly had never met this
woman.  She had never even heard about her before today.

Lois shivered slightly.  Was this an old girlfriend of Clark's?  The idea
unnerved her, and what was worse, the fact that it unnerved her, unnerved
her!   She knew that Clark must have dated before moving to Metropolis.
Heck, she had even seen him with other women over the year or so that they'd
known each other.  But as much as she tried to deny it, Lois recognized this
feeling.  Jealousy.  She was actually feeling threatened by this woman from
Clark's past.

'But why?!' she asked herself over and over again.  It wasn't like she and
Clark were a couple.  I mean, sure, they'd been spending a lot of time
together over the last few months.  They'd had a lot of good times this
summer, despite Lois's occasional bouts of depression over the Lex Luthor
fiasco.  Even during those bad times, however, Clark had always been there
for her.

But it wasn't like they were dating or anything; they were just friends.
Lois keenly remembered telling Clark in the park this spring that she didn't
have romantic feelings for him, and her memory of him reiterating the same
thing back to her outside the Daily Planet building a few weeks later was
just as acute.

Lois sniffled.  It was what she wanted, to have Clark as her best friend.
She didn't want to ruin what they had by dating.  If they did try dating --
assuming he even wanted to, that is -- and it didn't work out, then they
would lose everything!  This was a good decision, she told herself.  It was
the safest thing, the best thing ...

So, why, after all this time, did the memories of those conversations send a
pang of regret through her heart?  And why did Perry's words from this
afternoon keep passing through her mind?

"The one that got away ..."

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The One That Got Away, part 2 of 2
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***

Lois knocked hesitantly on the door at 344 Clinton Street.  She wasn't quite
sure why she was here ... well, that wasn't exactly true.  More accurately,
she wasn't quite sure how she was going to *explain* why she was here.

She wasn't even sure if Clark would be there.  Lois had called his apartment
this evening from home, but again got no answer. This time, she didn't leave
a message.  Instead, feeling restless, she got into her Jeep and went for a
drive to clear her head.  She wasn't really surprised that she found herself
on Clinton Street, slowing the car down and looking up at Clark's windows to
see if she could see a light shining from inside.

When she saw that light, indicating that he might be home and just not
answering the phone, she knew what she wanted to do.  Memories of this
summer
came flooding back to her, memories of all the times Clark had showed up on
her doorstep bearing food and rental movies -- memories of all the times
those movies had gone unwatched as she instead curled up in his arms and
wept
over everything that had happened to her over the spring.

Yet he had never judged her, never given up on her.  It was as if Clark's
eyes were opened more fully where he and Lois were concerned, and he
regretted all of the petty arguments they'd had over Lex and all of the mean
things they'd said to each other.  Neither of them ever wanted to go back to
that, and Clark had proven himself trustworthy.  There were many times that
she knew he was biting his tongue, longing to say 'I told you so' when she'd
wail about how blind she'd been, and how Lex had played her for a fool.  Yet
not once did Clark do anything but support her, to pump her up and make her
feel special ...

Special ... is that how he made this other woman feel?

Lois shook her head, refusing to dwell on it.  Clark needed her, of that she
was sure.  Depending on how "special" this other woman was, he might refuse
company tonight, but Lois knew she had to try.  If there was any chance at
all that she could repay Clark for this summer, for all the kindness and
support he had given her, this was the time.

And so here she was on his front porch, her arms full of junk food and
Lethal
Weapon movies, on the off chance that the light on in his window meant that
he was home, and not that he had simply forgotten to turn off a lamp when
he'd gone out.

Lois knocked a bit louder, juggling the bags in her arms, and listened for
footsteps.  Her heart rate picked up when she heard some noises inside the
apartment, and she surprised herself by feeling a grin spread across her
face.  Since when did she get so excited about seeing Clark?  Especially
when
he might not be in the mood for company?

She shouldn't have worried.  The smile on Clark's face when he opened the
door and saw her there was worth the trip.

"Hi," she said, trying to stop her heart from racing.  "Jimmy told me what
happened this afternoon.  I thought you might like some company."

Clark didn't answer right away, and Lois found herself once more just
staring
into his eyes.  What she saw there made her glad she'd come.  His eyes were
still a little sad, but there was also gratitude ... and something else?  It
was gone before Lois could identify it, but it made her hope desperately
that
he would invite her in.

He did.  "Come on in," Clark replied.  "I was hoping it might be you."

Lois turned to face him as they passed on the landing.  "You were?" she said
a little breathlessly.

Clark smiled gently.  "Yeah," he whispered.  "I was."  They stared at each
other for a another long moment before Clark suddenly spoke again.  "Here,
let me take those," he offered, removing the bags from her hands.

They walked down the landing into the apartment.  Lois stopped in the living
room to shrug off her jacket while Clark continued on into the kitchen to
deposit the food on his table.

When Clark returned, Lois surprised him by wrapping her arms around his neck
and pulling him into a warm hug.   After a moment's hesitation, Clark
returned it, shutting his eyes as he held her tightly.  When they finally
pulled back, Clark smiled softly.  "What was that for?" he asked.

Lois reached up and ran a hand through his hair at the temple, just above
his
glasses.  "You looked like you needed it," she answered simply.

Clark just stared into her eyes, not finding the words he needed to express
what he was feeling and not trusting his voice even if the words came.

Sensing his growing emotions, Lois released him and motioned them over to
the
couch.  "Should we sit down?"  As they reached the middle of the room,
however, Lois noticed the pictures that were covering the top of Clark's
coffee table.  She knelt on the floor in front of the couch, where it looked
like Clark had been when she'd interrupted him.  Clark joined her, sitting
on
the floor beside her.

Lois picked up a picture from one pile and studied it.  She recognized Clark
right away.  His features were more youthful, his hair longer and his
glasses
different in the photo, but it was still the man that would later become her
best friend.  Lois smiled.  "When was this taken?" she asked.  "I saw
pictures of you at your parents' house when you were really little, but I've
never seen any from this time. How old were you?"

"That was taken the summer between my junior and senior year of college, so
about seven years ago."

Lois nodded in agreement, then turned to look at him next to her.  "You look
pretty much the same.  Younger obviously ... maybe a little thinner."  She
cocked her head as she examined him.  "Your features are a little more
defined now, I think.  They were softer when you were younger."

Clark blushed.  "Gee, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not," he
replied
as he self-consciously ran a hand through his hair.  "Do I want my features
to be more defined?"

Lois laughed and rolled her eyes.  "Trust me, Clark, you have nothing to
worry about.  Like someone like you wouldn't know how attractive they are!"

Clark looked up at her.  "You-- you think I'm attractive?" he asked a little
shyly.

It was Lois's turn to blush.  "Well ... yeah ... I mean ..." she stammered.
"I mean ... look at you!"  Nervously, she tore her eyes away from his face
and picked up the next picture in the pile.  This one was a picture of a
young woman.  A quick glance at the contents of the table showed her that
this same girl was in several of the photos Clark had been looking through.
Lois forgot her nerves as she intently studied this young woman.  "Is this
her?" she asked.

Clark sighed, his air of sadness returning.  "Yeah," he replied.  "Her name
was Lauren.  We spent a lot of time together that summer."

Lois picked up another picture, this one of Clark and Lauren together.  They
were laughing as they tended what looked to be hamburgers on a charcoal
grill.   "She's beautiful," Lois said sincerely.  And she was, though Lois
had to admit she wasn't surprised -- in the year that she'd known Clark,
she'd come to realize he had a thing for pretty blondes, and this girl was
no
exception.

Clark took the picture from Lois and stared at it for a long time.  "Yeah,
she was," he finally replied.  After a moment, he added, "She was really
smart, too, and funny.  She was a good friend to me that summer.  We had a
lot of fun."

"When was the last time you talked to her?" Lois inquired.

Clark looked a little pained and didn't answer right away.   "It's been
quite
awhile, actually," he finally responded.  "She and her husband were living
overseas."  Clark dug through another pile and produced a different photo.
Clark and Lauren were in it, along with a third person.   Clark pointed to
him.  "That's Don.  They got married later that fall, about three months
after this picture was taken."

Lois read between the lines.  "And you and Don were friends ... until he
married your girl?" she suggested.

Clark smiled at that.  "I never said she was my girl."

Lois smiled back.  "You never said she wasn't."

Clark didn't answer but went back to studying the pictures.  Lois watched
his
face as he sorted through them.  There was something going on here,
something
more than he was telling her.  Were these simply old memories that were
being
probed, the pain of a long-forgotten crush brought to the surface by
unexpected tragedy?  Or was there something more serious going on, with
stronger feelings involved?

"So, was she?" Lois finally asked softly.  "Your girl?"

With a sigh, Clark leaned back against the front of his couch, legs crossed
in front of him.  Lois shifted to a seated position herself, and her knee
settled against Clark's upper leg as they sat side by side on the floor.
Lois put a hand on his thigh and rubbed it gently.  "Sometimes it helps to
talk about what's bothering you ... you taught me that," she added.

Clark turned towards her and gazed into her eyes, searching for something.
"I'm not sure what we were to each other," he finally admitted.  "Maybe
that's why I'm feeling so ambivalent about this.  We dated casually for
about
a month.  At least, to her it was casually.  To me ..."  Clark hesitated,
but
continued when he saw the understanding and encouragement in Lois's eyes.
"To me, it meant a little more, I think."

Lois nodded.  So far, it sounded like a normal unrequited crush.  "Did you
tell her how you felt?"

"Yeah, near the end of the summer.  I was going back to Kansas, to finish up
my last year at Midwest, but I wanted to keep in touch with her, to try to
keep seeing her long-distance."  Clark shook his head ruefully.  "She
wouldn't even let me finish my little speech.  She told me--"  Clark stopped
suddenly, uncomfortable, and turned his gaze away from Lois's.

"What?  What did she say?"  Lois leaned forward a bit, keenly wanting to
know
how the story ended.

Clark looked down at his lap, refusing to meet Lois's eyes.   When he
continued, his voice was carefully measured.  "She told me I was one of her
best friends and I would always be special to her, but she didn't feel that
way about me."

Lois swallowed, suddenly chilled by a memory of her own, a memory less than
six months old.  The pang of regret she'd been feeling on and off for the
last several months sharpened, like a knife plunging into her heart.

Clark suddenly chuckled ruefully and met her eyes once more, almost
challengingly.  "Two weeks later, she and Don were engaged."

Lois paled.  The knife had just been turned, and they both knew it.  Only
Lois hadn't waited more than a night after turning Clark down before
accepting Lex's proposal.

"That must have hurt," Lois finally responded quietly, sincerely.

Clark relaxed his posture, as if regretting the message he knew she had
received.  "Yeah, it did.  I mean, I got over it; I even went to their
wedding.  But after that ... I don't know, I think Don felt uncomfortable
around me, maybe a little guilty--"

"Or threatened," Lois interjected.  "If she was dating both of you at the
same time, he might have worried that she might still have feelings for
you."

Clark pondered this.  "I hadn't really thought of it like that before," he
said thoughtfully.  "I don't know ... The way she let me down so gently ...
I
always felt like there was something more to her feelings that she wasn't
telling me.  I guess that's why I felt so bad, like I knew that she cared
about me, but she still chose someone else."

This time it was Lois who sat back against the couch.  "Oh, God," she
exclaimed, resting her face in her hands.  "This keeps getting worse and
worse, doesn't it?"

Clark looked at her quizzically.  "What does?  My story?"

Lois shook her head and laughed at the absurdity of the situation.  It was
either that or cry.  The parallels to their own situation was uncanny.
"Never mind ... I'm just being killed by irony, that's all."

"I don't get it," he finally offered.

"Don't worry about it," she soothed as she lifted her eyes to his once more.
"So, how did she die?" Lois asked, wanting to change the subject.  At the
change in his expression, however, she was sorry she did.  The endearingly
confused smile left his face and he looked pained once more.  "Oh, Clark,
I'm
sorry ..."

He waved her off.  "No, it's OK.  It was sudden, a car accident.  Billy
didn't know all the details ... but I'm not sure I want to know, anyway."
His voice dropped to almost a whisper.  "Thinking of her like that ... if
she
suffered ..."  Clark's voice broke suddenly, and he inhaled shakily, trying
to compose himself.

Lois, however, understood completely.  One of the worst parts of this past
spring had been watching Lex jump from his building.  He had landed not
fifty
feet from her as Lois, still clad in her wedding gown, had buried her head
in
Clark's chest and clung to him for support.  Clark wouldn't let her look at
the body, leading her away as she sobbed, making sure her face was covered.

Lois was so angry at Lex for misleading her, for lying to her ... for
pretending to be someone he was not and making her feel foolish for not
figuring it out.   But she never wanted to see him dead, and she still felt
sick whenever she thought about the man she'd been kissing earlier that day
plunging to a violent death.  She wouldn't wish those thoughts on anyone,
least of all Clark.

"Come here," she whispered, wrapping her arms around his neck and pulling
him
to her. Unlike Lois had this summer, Clark didn't cry, but she could see his
eyes getting red as he
went willingly.  He burrowed his face into her neck and sniffled as Lois
rubbed his back soothingly.  "It's OK," she murmured as they held each
other.
"You're going to be fine."

After a long moment, Clark turned his head so that it was resting on her
shoulder.  "Isn't that what I used to tell you this summer?" he said.

Lois smiled.  "And you were right.  You have an annoying habit of doing
that,
you know.  Being right so often," she teased.

Clark laughed a bit through a final sniffle.  "I'm not always right.  I
can't
seem to make the women I like like me back."

Lois hugged him closer as she looked over the top of his head at the
pictures
on the coffee table.   She closed her eyes as she tried not to think of she
and Clark in the park last spring.  "Well, it was her loss," Lois finally
replied.  "We all have 'the one that got away', and usually they are just
too
blind to realize what they are giving up until it's too late."

Clark stilled in her arms.  After a long pause, he responded.  "Lauren
wasn't
'the one that got away' from me, Lois," he said quietly.  "I mean, I cared
for her ... more deeply than I had for anyone else up to that point, but ...
she's not who I think of when I hear that phrase."   He paused again.
"Actually, that honor is reserved for someone else entirely."

Lois felt heart sink.  Another one?  Another woman to feel jealous of?  'Oh,
put me out of my misery right now.'  Lois cleared her throat.  "Well," she
said, her voice cracking a bit despite her best intentions, "I'm sure she
regrets what she gave up also.  Any woman would be lucky to have you,
Clark."

Clark lifted his head and looked at her, his eyes full of longing.  "I don't
know if she regrets it or not," he whispered, "but I know I'd be lucky to
have her."

Lois stared into his eyes for a long moment, then almost on instinct, began
to move her face slowly towards his.  She didn't know who his lost love was,
and at that moment, she didn't care.  What she did know was that she wanted
to kiss him, to comfort him and soothe him, and to make them each forget, if
only for a few moments, all of their regrets.

Her eyes closed as their lips touched softly.  She felt his mouth relax
against hers, and hers did the same.  One kiss led to another as they
nibbled
gently on each others' lips, exploring and caressing and tasting.

Slowly, Lois shifted her weight and scooted over to Clark's lap.  Their
kisses so far had been about restrained passion, and she didn't want to
escalate things too quickly.  But she did want to hold him and look him in
the eye, so she sat on his lap, facing him.  Clark followed her lead,
exploring her mouth thoroughly but not aggressively as they kissed.  They
let
their hands wander slowly through the other's hair, over the other's back,
in
tender motions.

Finally, Lois pulled back, breathless.  She let her head fall back as Clark
layered wonderful kisses down her neck.  She thought of the woman who had
hurt Clark, and Lois found herself hoping that the woman would never change
her mind, would never come to Metropolis to win him back.

"Forget her, Clark," Lois whispered as he began feathering butterfly kisses
over her cheeks, her nose, her eyelids ...  "The one that got away ....
forget her."

"I can't ..." he whispered back emotionally as he kissed her cheek.  "I love
her."

Lois felt tears well up in her eyes as she thought of Clark in love with
someone else.  She choked back a sob.  "Then maybe you should be kissing
her," she said in a tiny voice.

Clark exhaled a shaky breath as he lowered his lips to hers.  "Lois," he
gasped.  "I am.  God help me, I am."

As their lips met once more, the rest of the world faded away.  For them,
there would be no more regrets.

The End.

All feedback is welcome and appreciated.
Kathy Brown <kathyb@lcfanfic.com>

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Characters in this story are copyrighted by DC Comics, December 3rd
Production and Warner Brothers. No infringement is intended in any part by
the author, however, the ideas expressed within this story are copyrighted
(c) 1998 to the author, Kathy Brown.
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It just gets better and better everytime I read this, Kathy. And everytime I
get that little tug when Lois doesn't know it's her Clark's talking about.

Anne :)
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In a message dated 10/01/2000 3:42:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

<< This is a question that has bothered me for a while.  In
 several  L&C fics I've seen the word 'lead' pronounced 'led' used as the
 past tense spelling for the verb 'to lead'.  As far as I know  'lead' is
 pronounced 'led' only when it is a noun referring to that ore we're all so
 familiar with as in 'lead-lined'.  The past tense of the verb  'to lead'
 pronounced 'leed' is spelled 'led' as it is pronounced.  So is this 'lead
 pronounced led' usage another Brit -Canadian thing or is it just bad
 spelling? >>

This bothers me, too, when I read it. It's bad spelling and that's why it
bothers me.

--Laurie (based in the U.S.)
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If you were to ask me,I'd say that it's due to bad spelling.
--Andrew Troy Keller
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Jude wrote:

> Hi everyone:  This is a question that has bothered me for a while.  In
> several  L&C fics I've seen the word 'lead' pronounced 'led' used as the
> past tense spelling for the verb 'to lead'.  As far as I know  'lead' is
> pronounced 'led' only when it is a noun referring to that ore we're all so
> familiar with as in 'lead-lined'.  The past tense of the verb  'to lead'
> pronounced 'leed' is spelled 'led' as it is pronounced.  So is this 'lead
> pronounced led' usage another Brit -Canadian thing or is it just bad
> spelling?  Jude

I've seen - and agreed with - the other responses here, but your reference
to a 'Brit-Canadian thing' puzzles me, Jude. Although I *have* seen 'lead'
used in the incorrect sense (ie to mean 'led') very occasionally in works -
published or fanfic - written by UK-English authors, I've seen the
mis-spelling far more frequently in works by US writers. That's led <g> me
to think of it in the same category as other mainly US errors, such as
'couple days' (with a missing 'of'), or 'off of', where the 'of' is
redundant.

Wendy

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Subject:      Grammar Joke

I was reading the thread regarding proper use of lie and lay, and I was
reminded of a joke my husband told me yesterday.

Two beauty pageant contestants were making small talk during a break in the
rehearsal.  One girl, from a small town, asked another contestant, "Where
are you from?"  The second girl, from a larger metropolitan area, replied
in a huff, "Obviously, I'm from a place where we don't end a sentence with
a preposition."  The small-town beauty didn't miss a beat and said, "Let me
restate my question.  Where are you from, b***h?"

All moans, groans, and thrown objects may be directed at Godzilla!
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LOL! Now that strikes me as a joke that both Lois *and* Clark would love.
<g>

Kathy
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Thanks to everyone for validating my opinion regarding this error.

Wendy wrote:
I've seen - and agreed with - the other responses here, but your reference
to a 'Brit-Canadian thing' puzzles me, Jude. Although I *have* seen 'lead'
used in the incorrect sense (ie to mean 'led') very occasionally in works -
published or fanfic - written by UK-English authors, I've seen the
mis-spelling far more frequently in works by US writers.

----- Wasn't pointing fingers, Wendy. Just wondered if that might be an
explanation.  I read these things that bother me but I don't take notes or
mark them in any way so I never remember what story they're from or who
wrote them.  Apologies to all you Brits and Canadians if you took offense.
:)  Jude
>
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> Erin  (off to make a LOT of changes <sg>)
> __________________

LOL Erin!  What I love most about this exchange is that someone cared
enough to ask in the first place, and that the someone in question is
prepared to listen to the answer and put in a heck of a lot of work to use
what she's learnt (or should that be learned? <g>).  FoLC fanfic writers
are a great bunch - they really care a lot about presenting the very best
work that they can, and they're inquisitive about language and grammar -
where else can you find such a lively, intelligent discussion by such a
nice group of people?

OK, gush over <g>

Yvonne
(yconnell@ukf.net)
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My uncle periodically send me jokes and this one just seemed to be
appropriate after this discussion!

--Laurie

********************************************************
We'll begin with box, and the plural is boxes;
But the plural of ox should be oxen, not oxes?
Then one fowl is goose, but two are called geese
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
We play with dice, but one is a die
If like the mice, one dice should be douse
We're afraid of mice, and one is not mie
You may find a lone mouse or a whole lot of mice,
But the plural of house is houses, not hice.
If the plural of man is always called men,
When couldn't the plural of pan be called pen?
The cow in the plural may be cows or kine,
But the plural of vow is vows, not vine.
And I speak of a foot, and you show me your feet,
But I give a boot - would a pair be called beet?
If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth,
Why shouldn't the plural of booth be called beeth?
If the singular is this and plural is these,
Why shouldn't the plural of kiss be nicknamed kese?
Then one may be that, and three may be those,
Yet the plural of hat would never be hose;
We speak of a brother, and also of brethren,
But though we say mother, we never say methren.
The masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
But imagine the feminine she, shis, and shim!
So our English, I think you will all agree,
Is the trickiest language you ever did see.
I take it you already know
Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you
On hiccough, thorough, slough, and through?
Well done! And now you wish, perhaps
To learn of less familiar traps?
Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
And dead; it's said like bed, not bead;
For goodness sake, don't call it deed!
Watch out for meat and great and threat,
(they rhyme with suite and straight and debt)
A moth is not a moth in mother.
Nor both in bother, broth in brother.
And here is not a match for there.
And dear and fear for bear and pear.
And then there's dose and rose and lose --
Just look them up -- and goose and choose.
And cork and work and card and ward,
And font and front and word and sword.
And do and go, then thwart and cart.
Come, come, I've hardly made a start.
A dreadful language? Man alive,
I'd learned to speak it when I was five,
And yet to write it, the more I sigh,
I'll not learn how 'till the day I die.
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LOL, Laurie.  I love it.  I'm going to send it to my language arts teacher
daughter.  Ten points if you can tell me how to pronounce GHOTI  and why
it's pronounced that way.  Jude
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Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 2:43 PM
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> My uncle periodically send me jokes and this one just seemed to be
> appropriate after this discussion!
>
> --Laurie
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> Ten points if you can tell me how to pronounce GHOTI  and why
> it's pronounced that way.

s
p
o
i
l
e
r
s
p
a
c
e

It's pronounced "Fish" but I can't entirely remember why... "gh" as in
enough, and "ti" as in "notion" but I don't remember the "o".  Can I get
partial credit? <g>
--

Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net
http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/

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I will see the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living.
Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart
and wait for the Lord."
--Psalm 27:13-14
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I have the fanzine book that was sold a year ago and have read all the
stories in the book.  They were all fantastic stories.  I believe that at
the
time I finished reading it I made comment to the list.

The stories are now up on the archive and I was wondering, are they exactly
the same as in the book or have there been changes made.  I do know that
Shiela mentioned that her's is going to have some change and I'm going to
reread the one that was just posted to this list.  Have any of the others
been changed?

Melody
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In a message dated 10/02/2000 8:16:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

<< Ten points if you can tell me how to pronounce GHOTI  and why
 it's pronounced that way >>

Oh, i do know that one...
S

P

O

I

L

E

R

just in case ;)

FISH
gh as in cough
o as in women
and ti as in elation

--Laurie
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Oh wow, thank you for sending that, Laurie! My mom used to like to quote
parts of that to me when I was a kid, but I've never actually heard the
whole thing. It's great! :) Say, does it have a name?

Melisma (under her rock, hoping to save that for any future ESL classes she
may teach - provided she is able to get her TESL certificate...)

At 05:43 PM 02/10/2000 EDT, you wrote:
>My uncle periodically send me jokes and this one just seemed to be
>appropriate after this discussion!
>
>--Laurie
>
>********************************************************
>We'll begin with box, and the plural is boxes;
>But the plural of ox should be oxen, not oxes?
>Then one fowl is goose, but two are called geese
>Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
>We play with dice, but one is a die
>If like the mice, one dice should be douse
>We're afraid of mice, and one is not mie
>You may find a lone mouse or a whole lot of mice,
>But the plural of house is houses, not hice.
>If the plural of man is always called men,
>When couldn't the plural of pan be called pen?
>The cow in the plural may be cows or kine,
>But the plural of vow is vows, not vine.
>And I speak of a foot, and you show me your feet,
>But I give a boot - would a pair be called beet?
>If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth,
>Why shouldn't the plural of booth be called beeth?
>If the singular is this and plural is these,
>Why shouldn't the plural of kiss be nicknamed kese?
>Then one may be that, and three may be those,
>Yet the plural of hat would never be hose;
>We speak of a brother, and also of brethren,
>But though we say mother, we never say methren.
>The masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
>But imagine the feminine she, shis, and shim!
>So our English, I think you will all agree,
>Is the trickiest language you ever did see.
>I take it you already know
>Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
>Others may stumble, but not you
>On hiccough, thorough, slough, and through?
>Well done! And now you wish, perhaps
>To learn of less familiar traps?
>Beware of heard, a dreadful word
>That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
>And dead; it's said like bed, not bead;
>For goodness sake, don't call it deed!
>Watch out for meat and great and threat,
>(they rhyme with suite and straight and debt)
>A moth is not a moth in mother.
>Nor both in bother, broth in brother.
>And here is not a match for there.
>And dear and fear for bear and pear.
>And then there's dose and rose and lose --
>Just look them up -- and goose and choose.
>And cork and work and card and ward,
>And font and front and word and sword.
>And do and go, then thwart and cart.
>Come, come, I've hardly made a start.
>A dreadful language? Man alive,
>I'd learned to speak it when I was five,
>And yet to write it, the more I sigh,
>I'll not learn how 'till the day I die.
>
>
Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html
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Melisma wrote:

> Oh wow, thank you for sending that, Laurie! My mom used to like to quote
> parts of that to me when I was a kid, but I've never actually heard the
> whole thing. It's great! :) Say, does it have a name?

        I was going to ask the same question. For now I've saved it
under the title:
     "Ode to the English Language" (aka - "What the ?")

        I loved it though! [as in bow (like toe, not wow) as in no (which is
    different from do). Let me stop!

    John
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Kathy,
Your wonderful story is just like aged wine and women. It just gets better
with time.

"Old soldiers never die; they just fade away."

   Wanda
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Subject:      Re: Fanzine Stories on the Archive

On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:48:54 EDT, No Name Available <MMTDR1110@AOL.COM>
wrote:

>The stories are now up on the archive and I was wondering, are they exactly
>the same as in the book or have there been changes made.  I do know that
>Shiela mentioned that her's is going to have some change and I'm going to
>reread the one that was just posted to this list.  Have any of the others
>been changed?

All the stories have been re-edited by an Archive editor, just to catch any
additional typos.  I am not aware of any major changes to any of the
stories,
other than some scenes that Sheila added.  I know when I edited my story for
the Archive, I changed words here and there to clarify things I wasn't happy
with, but it was editing rather than rewriting.  Others authors may have
done
the same thing, but again, I'm not aware of any major changes in the rest.

Kathy

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Are these stories in their own section, or do we need to know the titles?

quinn

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        On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:48:54 EDT, No Name Available
<MMTDR1110@AOL.COM> wrote:

        >The stories are now up on the archive and I was wondering, are they
exactly
        >the same as in the book or have there been changes made.  I do know
that
        >Shiela mentioned that her's is going to have some change and I'm
going to
        >reread the one that was just posted to this list.  Have any of the
others
        >been changed?

        All the stories have been re-edited by an Archive editor, just to
catch any
        additional typos.  I am not aware of any major changes to any of the
stories,
        other than some scenes that Sheila added.  I know when I edited my
story for
        the Archive, I changed words here and there to clarify things I
wasn't happy
        with, but it was editing rather than rewriting.  Others authors may
have done
        the same thing, but again, I'm not aware of any major changes in the
rest.

        Kathy

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Subject:      Re: Fanzine Stories on the Archive

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:48:21 -0500, LaNita Cornwall <cornwall@WC.EDU> wrote:

>Are these stories in their own section, or do we need to know the titles?

At present, they represent the most recent upload to the Archive, so you'll
find them at the top of the 'What's New?' list. They're also in their own
separate category under 'Themes' - follow the link from the front page.
And, if I recall correctly, there's a separate link from the 'News' section
on the front page.

So I'd say you can't miss them!

Wendy

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Hi guys,

This was sent to one of my other lists, and the sender didn't even know
where it originated from. But I thought, 'What a good idea'... Although
I've only done a little LnC writing myself, I really did appreciate my beta
reader {{{Wendy}}} So anyway, I thought I would pass it on to you, for what
it's worth to you. (If it's so much garbage to you, just delete it - won't
offend me :) P.S. If you've seen this before, I apologize for that, too.

Melisma (under her rock, Wendy's Number One Fan not only because she's a
fantastic author but because she's a terrific beta - now go ahead and
blush, Wendy, but it's true :)

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----- Original Message -----
ANNOUNCEMENT
Beta Reader Appreciation Day on October 13th

Do you remember the last story that made you smile, sigh, gasp,
cry or even think? Do you remember the author and title? Good.

Go back to post 0 of that story anyway, scroll down the archival
notes and the disclaimers, past the summary, there - notes and thanks
to the betas.

Betas, even the best author needs them.

For first thoughts on a new story idea, for judging the credibility of a
background, a character, a move, for encouragment during the long weeks
of writing a 100+ page story, for spotting holes, for keeping the
authors on track when they are in danger of losing the focus of their
story, for convincing them something just does not work, for nitty
gritty grammar fixes, for chocolate covered Jedi at four in the morning...

Every author needs and wants different things from her betas, but
whatever it is, they always want it NOW. When a new story is burning a
hole in your pockets you don't give a damn that it's midnight in
Down Under or wherever your betas live. And you don't care that it
takes a while to read some 50 pages, you just have to know if it's good.

But betas have lives too. They do what they do for quite a number of
reasons, devotion to the fandom always being one of the most important.
And they all have this overwhelming desire to share, to give freely
whatever they can to make a story better, to help an author through the
obstacles and traps of writing.

Devoted betas are as important for a thriving fandom as talented authors.

It is about time to take a minute and thank all those betas working hard
in the background. Therefore October 13th shall be the Beta Reader
Appreciation Day.

We encourage all authors to tell their betas on that day how much their
work is needed and valued. We encourage everybody to thank the
betas on that day, because we make the story, but they make it good.

We are also putting together a website dedicated to betas, which is
still heavily under construction, since all committee members...well,
have lives too.

Please visit us at:  http://devoted.to/BRAD

Among other things you'll find banners there. By putting them up on your
own sites you can help us spread the word.

You can also help us by passing this letter on to all lists you think
might be interested in the project. Help us to make October 13th
amemorable day for eveybody, betas, authors, readers in all fandoms.

If you want to do even more, for example help us with the site or have
more ideas, we have our own little list at egoups now. We are a
friendly bunch and always welcome more help.

To subscribe:
http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/BRAD

Thank you
The Committee
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S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

I know!  GHOTI is pronounced "Fish"  GH as in "tough"  O as is "women"  and
TI as in any '-tion' words -- complication, facination, nation, etc!

Bethy
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Hi Kathy:

Thanks for the heads up on Sheila's story which I will therefore download
again:)

I rechecked the fanzine last night and found that two of the stories do not
appear to be on the site, unless I missed them.  They are Peace's First
Flight and Barbarians at Berlin.  Just wonderin....:)

Carolyn

>On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:48:54 EDT, No Name Available <MMTDR1110@AOL.COM>
wrote:
>
>>The stories are now up on the archive and I was wondering, are they
exactly
>>the same as in the book or have there been changes made.  I do know that
>>Shiela mentioned that her's is going to have some change and I'm going to
>>reread the one that was just posted to this list.  Have any of the others
>>been changed?
>
>All the stories have been re-edited by an Archive editor, just to catch any
>additional typos.  I am not aware of any major changes to any of the
stories,
>other than some scenes that Sheila added.  I know when I edited my story
for
>the Archive, I changed words here and there to clarify things I wasn't
happy
>with, but it was editing rather than rewriting.  Others authors may have
done
>the same thing, but again, I'm not aware of any major changes in the rest.
>
>Kathy
>
>_________________________________
>Kathy Brown
>Editor-In-Chief
>Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive:  <www.lcfanfic.com>
>kathybrown91@home.com OR kathyb@lcfanfic.com
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At 10:13 am 3/10/00, Judith Williams wrote:
>LOL, Laurie.  I love it.  I'm going to send it to my language arts teacher
>daughter.  Ten points if you can tell me how to pronounce GHOTI  and why
>it's pronounced that way.  Jude

I'm probably late getting to this, but in case I'm not:

GH as in lauGH
O as in wOmen   and
TI as in staTIon
makes
FISH

Jen (I saw this on the 60's Batman show once, but I already knew about it)

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10 pts. for Laurie, Bethy Em and Jen.  8 for Pam who couldn't remember why
the 'O' was pronounced that way.

Here's a short grammar usage quiz for those who like such things.  Some of
these are correct, some incorrect.  Each is worth 2 points.  If it's correct
and you say so (I'll assume you're not guessing) you get  both points.  If
it's incorrect, you get a point for knowing but you don't get the other
point unless you can correct it and explain.  *Nothing* here is taken from
anyone's writing but my  own so please don't get paranoid.  A few of these
are actually from the series.  Extra credit if you know which ones. For you
grammarians, this should be a piece of cake.  Have fun!  :) Jude

1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
question as to who controlled this meeting.'

2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."

3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."

4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
that morning."

5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
doing in her bed!"

6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
investigate, so could they."

7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait for
the next one."

8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."

9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."

10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."
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In a message dated 10/3/00 4:38:55 PM EST, judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET
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Okay...I'm going to take a stab at this...a very bad stab at it but...a
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<< 1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
 question as to who controlled this meeting.'

Is it:  "He spokey softly but with a natural command in his voice that left
no question as to who controlled this meeting."

 2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."

Is it:  "Lois isn't here.  She and Clark are out on assignment."

 3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."

Is it:  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and me."

 4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
 that morning."

Is it:  "The town car that usually took she and Clark to the office was icy
that morning."

 5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
 doing in her bed!"

Is it:  "When Lois awoke, she was lying nestled next to--omicod!  What was
Lex doing in her bed?"

 6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
 investigate, so could they."

Is it:  "I discovered your identity.  If some enterprising journalist chose
to investigate, so would they."

 7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait
for
 the next one."

Is it:  "Running to reach the elevator, its doors closed and she wait for
the
next one."

 8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."

Is it:  "It's not like they're bombs bursting everywhere."

 9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."

Is it:  "It would be served cold and soon he would taste its sweetness."

 10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
 enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."

  >>

Is it: "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
enemies, but he could begin with whom he chose."

How did I do?  Bad right? LOL ;p

Alexis ;-.)

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In a message dated 10/3/00 4:51:16 PM EST, LoisLane9397@AOL.COM writes:

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<< Is it:  "He spokey softly but with a natural command in his voice that
left
 no question as to who controlled this meeting."
  >>

Take about your typo!  Spokey! LOL!!!!  Sheesh, i need more sleep! ;p

Alexis ;-.)

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Hey Jude!

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>1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
>question as to who controlled this meeting.'

Well, I would insert a comma after 'softly'. Also, UK usage would
use 'which' instead of 'that', though I'm guessing most Americans would
prefer 'that'.

>2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."

Easy! 'She and Clark'.

>3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."

Same error - 'this strange chemistry between you and me'. Is this a quote?

>4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
>that morning."

Again, I'd say 'which usually...' Otherwise this is grammatically correct.

>5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
>doing in her bed!"

'ohmi*C*od'??? The other error is 'laying' instead of 'lying'.

>6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
>investigate, so could they."

Well, the *correct* form is 'so could he'. But many writers - and style
manuals - prefer to avoid the gender-specific pronoun, and so 'they' is
becoming increasingly acceptable as an alternative. Is this a quote?

>7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait
for
>the next one."

Badly formulated sentence. *Who* is running to catch the elevator? I don't
know the correct grammatical language here, but the 'its' after the comma
should refer to the subject of the opening phrase; yet it clearly doesn't.

>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."

Bursting?? Exploding! Should be 'it's not like there are...' (or better
still, 'not as if there are...'

>9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."

This is a possessive 'its' and should not have an apostrophe.

>10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
>enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."

This looks correct to me.

So... how'd I do? <g>

Wendy

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1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
question as to who controlled this meeting."  I'm not completely positive
(sure, put the hardest one first!), but I think I'd re-write it:  "He spoke
softly, but with a natural command in his tone which left no question as to
who controlled this meeting."

2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."  Incorrect --
'Her and Clark' ought to be "She and Clark"  Subjective, instead of
objective.

3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."  Incorrect
(I think <g>).  Should be "you and me."  Objective, instead of subjective.

4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
that morning."  Correct, I think.  Nothing jumped out at me, so I'll just
cross my fingers and hope I don't look *too* stupid.

5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
doing in her bed!"  Incorrect.  Wrong lay/lie -- should be 'lying nestled
next to...'

6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
investigate, so could they."  Incorrect -- If you just look at the second
sentence, 'so could they' (or he, if you really want to get technical)
doesn't make any sense.  To be completely correct, I think that end needs to
read something like, "...chose to investigate, he could discover it, too."

7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait for
the next one."  Incorrect.  I can't remember the exact term, but 'running'
doesn't match 'its.'  One example of a better way would be, "As she was
running to catch the elevator its doors closed..."

8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."  Incorrect -- "It's
not like there *are* bombs bursting everywhere."  Subject/verb agreement,
and all that jazz.

9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."
Incorrect.  Wrong it's/its -- should be its (possesive, not contraction of
it is).

10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."  I don't see anything
wrong.  Correct?

Bethy (who is closing her eyes and clicking send before she chickens out --
she now realizes she forgot everything she learned in grammar class last
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Hi Jude :)  I give up on which ones are from series.  Obviously, the ones
that are dialogue, but I don't know which eps or anything.  But here are my
answers to the grammar questions:

1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
question as to who controlled this meeting.'

This sentence is grammatically correct.

2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."

"Lois isn't here.  She and Clark are out on assignment."
'She' and 'Clark' are the subjects of the second sentence.  Therefore, the
pronoun used should be the *subjective* feminine, singular, third person
pronoun.  'Her' is an objective pronoun.

3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."

"And then there's this strange chemistry between you and me."
The above sentence used the objective pronoun where it needed the subject,
this one does the opposite.  'You' and 'me' are the objects of the
preposition 'between.'  'I' is a subjective pronoun.

4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
that morning."

Well, I'm not quite sure what this sentence means, but it is grammatically
correct.

5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
doing in her bed!"

"When Lois woke, she was lying nestled next to-omicod!  What was Lex doing
in her bed!"
This is the very question that began our grammar discussion.  'Laying', to
lay, is a transitive verb.  The verb need her is to lie, 'lying'.
(That's an awful thought!  Who would put Lex in Lois's bed?? "*Nestling*
with her, no less! /glare/)

6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
investigate, so could they."

"I discovered your identity.  If some enterprising journalists chose to
investigate, so could they."
"Journalist" is a singular third person subject, and "chose" is verb
conjugation for the ...well, for everything else.  The sentence could be
corrected by changing "chose" to "choses," but then there remains the
question of whether to leave the plural pronoun "they" refering to a
singular antecedant "journalist," or to use a singular pronoun and be faced
with the question of gender.

7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait for
the next one."

"As she was running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to
wait for the next one."
"Squeaking their indignancy at not being well oiled, the elevator doors
closed and she had to wait for the next one."
The grammar mistake here is that the phrase 'running to catch the elevator'
should describe subject immediately following it, 'its doors'; while in this
case it apparently describes a later subject, 'she.'

8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."

"It's not like there are bombs bursting everywhere."
As in number 6 above, this is again a question of agreement between the
subject and verb.

9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."

"It would be served cold and he would soon taste its sweetness."
"It's" is a contraction of "it" and "is"; "its" is the possessive of "it"

10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."

This sentence is grammatically correct.

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In a message dated 10/03/2000 5:38:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

<< 5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was
Lex
 doing in her bed!" >>

Sorry, couldn't resist this one--Lois found a cold fish (Lex) in her bed? I
never quite pictured Lex as a cod before. ;)

--Laurie
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Okay, I'll give these a try.
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> 1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in
> his tone that left no
> question as to who controlled this meeting.'

No error.
>
> 2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on
> assignment."

It should be 'she and Clark'.
>
> 3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between
> you and I."

'Between you and me.'
>
> 4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to
> the office seemed icy
> that morning."

No error, although I'd put the description of the town
car closer to the subject.
>
> 5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next
> to--omicod!  What was Lex
> doing in her bed!"

'lying' not 'laying'.  'Omigod' not 'omicod'. and the
last sentence ends with a question mark not an
exclamation point.
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> 6.  "I discovered your identity. If some
> enterprising journalist chose to
> investigate, so could they."

'So could he/so could she.'
>
> 7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed
> and she had to wait for
> the next one."

The action doesn't match with the subject of the
sentence.
>
> 8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting
> everywhere."

'there are bombs' not 'there's bombs.'
>
> 9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste
> it's sweetness."

'its' not 'it's.'
>
> 10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance
> on a host of their
> enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."

No error.

I realise that I didn't give explanations why things
were incorrect.  I don't know a lot of the grammatical
terms.  Sigh.  But, do I get half-points at least?

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>1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
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This one's okay.

>2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."

=She= and Clark...

>3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."

...you and =me=.

>4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
>that morning."

This one's okay.

>5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
>doing in her bed!"

Lois should be lying, not laying.  <g>  And is that a typo in the
exclamation?

>6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
>investigate, so could they."

Well, "enterprising journalist" is singular, and "they" is plural, but
unfortunately English doesn't easily lend itself to a solution.  "...so
could he or she." would be gramatically correct, but it's clunky.  <g>

>7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait
for
>the next one."

The way the sentence is constructed, the thing with the doors is doing the
running... the elevator's trying to catch itself?  Me, I don't like this
kind of sentence structure anyway (when I'm writing, don't mind reading
these kinds of sentences as long as they say what they mean!), so I'd say,
"She ran to catch the elevator, but its doors closed, and she had to wait
for the next one.

>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."

"Bombs" are plural, so you need to say "there're" (contraction for "there
are").  Although I'd just say, "...there are bombs..." <g>

>9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."

No apostrophe in the possessive "its."  His, hers, its.

>10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
>enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."

Looks okay to me.

Fun quiz, Jude.

Becky

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I answered to number 6.:

>"I discovered your identity.  If some enterprising journalists chose
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>"Journalist" is a singular third person subject, and "chose" is verb
>conjugation for the ...well, for everything else.  The sentence could be
> >corrected by changing "chose" to "choses," but...

good heavens- my grammar is okay, but my spelling is awful!  no wonder no
one else had yet caught this glaring error- *I* was the one to make a
mistake.
(chose, choose...what difference one little 'o' makes!)

But to correct the sentence as I now read it is a bit harder...
'so could he' is grammatically correct, but tends to sound sexist.  This
reminds me of a story my high school english teacher told us.  One of her
former students chose to revive the non-gender specific singular third
person pronoun 'thon':
If some enterprising journalist chose to investigate, so could thon. <g>

>5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
>doing in her bed!"

I've perhaps never seen 'omicod' before, but I figure that if 'oh my god'
can become 'omigod', it's not that much farther to become 'omicod'- after
all, a hard 'g' is only a voiced version of a hard 'c'

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On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:37:52 -0500, Carolyn Schnall
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>I rechecked the fanzine last night and found that two of the stories do not
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>Flight and Barbarians at Berlin.  Just wonderin....:)

The author of "First Flight" has dropped from FoLCdom, and did not respond
to
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decided they did not want the story on the Archive.

Since the Archive only puts up stories with author permission, these stories
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Well, basically Irene said word for word (including the question mark vs
exclamation point thingie) what I was going to say, so I won't repeat it
all.
:)

One thing that ran though my mind, though, was that if the dialog lines were
in a fanfic (#6 and #8, say), I might point it out to the author as an
editor, but I might be just as likely to assume (depending on who wrote the
story) that the author gave the speaker incorrect dialog on purpose.

I have to ask Wendy though ...

>>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."
>
>Bursting?? Exploding!

What's wrong with bombs "bursting"? <bg>

Kathy (humming the US national anthem ;))
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Oh, I gots to try this!!!

S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S

P

A

C

E

<snip intro>

>1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
>question as to who controlled this meeting.'

Correct

>2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."

Incorrect. The second sentence should be 'She and Clark are out on
assignment.' An easy test is to drop out 'and Clark' - if 'Her is...' is
right, then leave 'her' in the original sentence. If not, use 'she'. You
can use this test on plural subjects and plural objects equally.

>3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."

Incorrect. '...between you and me.' Although I think I would rather use
'...between us', but that's just me. 'I' is a subject. '...you and I' is an
object, which requires 'me' - you can use the same sort of test as in #2
above to determine this...

>4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
>that morning."

Correct. It *does* sound a little awkward, but again, if you leave 'and
Clark' out of the sentence, you'll see that 'her' is the correct object
pronoun to use.

>5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
>doing in her bed!"

Incorrect. '...she was lying...' - see the grammar thread that started this
whole thing :)

>6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
>investigate, so could they."

Correct.

>7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait
for
>the next one."

Incorrect. No problems with pronouns, but the first phrase 'Running to
catch the elevator...' seems to point to the noun right after the comma -
indeed, this construction is used to modify that noun, if memory serves.
However, the doors can't run :) so it is incorrect. I would rephrase the
sentence. Perhaps 'Although she ran to catch the elevator, its doors closed
and she had to wait for the next one.'

>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."

Incorrect. 'there's' is short for 'there are'. Since 'bombs' is plural, it
should be 'there are', or 'there're' if you want to be casual or
conversational.

>9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."

Incorrect. 'it's' is short for 'it is'. 'its' is the correct possessive,
the sweetness belonging to it. So '...he would soon taste its sweetness.'

>10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
>enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."

Correct. I think. I've always been weak on who/whom - dumb I know, since we
just had a discussion about this a while back...

Melisma (under her rock, thinking this must be a test to see if she really
should go for that TESL certificate :)

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Kathy
I think those stories are up at Anne's site.
merry

Kathy Brown wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:37:52 -0500, Carolyn Schnall
<cschnall@MED.CORNELL.EDU>
> wrote:
>
> >I rechecked the fanzine last night and found that two of the stories do
not
> >appear to be on the site, unless I missed them.  They are Peace's First
> >Flight and Barbarians at Berlin.  Just wonderin....:)
>
> The author of "First Flight" has dropped from FoLCdom, and did not respond
to
> any emails sent to her address.  The IRC group that wrote "Barbarians"
> decided they did not want the story on the Archive.
>
> Since the Archive only puts up stories with author permission, these
stories
> were not uploaded.
>
> Kathy
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At 07:35 am 4/10/00, Judith Williams wrote:
>10 pts. for Laurie, Bethy Em and Jen.  8 for Pam who couldn't remember why
>the 'O' was pronounced that way.

Thanks!  Interesting how many words have a GH pronounced F <G>

S
P
O
I
L
E
R
S
P
A
C
E

>1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
>question as to who controlled this meeting.'

This one's correct.

>2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."

"She and Clark...".  Whenever two people are listed together like that, try
taking the second person out, and see if it sounds right.  You wouldn't
(hopefully) say "Her is out on assignment", therefore the correct pronoun
is "She."

>3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."

Not sure whether starting a sentence with "And" is acceptable these
days.  Also, it should be "between you and me."  Same pronoun rule as I
quoted in #2.

>4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
>that morning."

This one's right.

>5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
>doing in her bed!"

"Lying", not "laying" (that's what chickens do to eggs). Perhaps a question
mark at the end?  and was that "c" meant to be a "g"?

>6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
>investigate, so could they."

either change the "they" to "he or she" OR make "journalist" plural.  You
have to match number.

>7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait
for
>the next one."

The elevator was running to catch itself when its doors closed?  Or "Lois
ran to catch the elevator, but its doors closed and she had to wait for the
next one."

>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."

"It is not like there ARE bombs" OR "It is not like there is A BOMB" -
matching number again.

>9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."

"its sweetness," not "it's sweetness". "it's" is correct only when it's an
abbreviation for "it is", not as a possessive.

>10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
>enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."

I think this one's correct.

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>
>S
>
>P
>
>O
>
>I
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>L
>
>E
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>R
>
>
>S
>
>P
>
>A
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>C
>
>E
>

> >enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."
>
>Correct. I think. I've always been weak on who/whom - dumb I know, since we
>just had a discussion about this a while back...

Mel- I was thinking reading this that you sound like a good teacher :)

'Who' and 'whom' are sometimes tricky for me, because they come at places in
the sentence we're not used to having the pronouns, since they are question
words.  so I replace them with 'he' and 'him' (remember by: 'him' and 'whom'
both end with an 'm').  so, "whomever he chose", replace 'whomever' with
'him', "he chose him"- yes this sounds right, so whom is the one you want.

I'm not sure if this will help you or anyone else on the list, but just in
case it will, here it is :)

-Dia
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Kathy wrote:

> I have to ask Wendy though ...
>
> >>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."
> >
> >Bursting?? Exploding!
>
> What's wrong with bombs "bursting"? <bg>

Huh? I have *never* heard 'bursting' used in conjunction with bombs! Tyres
or balloons burst; bombs explode... at least in my experience with language
usage, anyway. :)

> Kathy (humming the US national anthem ;))

Ummm....?

Baffled of Keele  <g>

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Wendy Richards" <w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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> Kathy wrote:
>
> > I have to ask Wendy though ...
> >
> > >>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."
> > >
> > >Bursting?? Exploding!
> >
> > What's wrong with bombs "bursting"? <bg>
>
>
> Huh? I have *never* heard 'bursting' used in conjunction with bombs! Tyres
> or balloons burst; bombs explode... at least in my experience with
language
> usage, anyway. :)
>
>
> > Kathy (humming the US national anthem ;))
>
> Ummm....?

<g>  Let's see how much of that song I remember:

Oh say can you see, by the dawn's early light. What so proudly we hailed at
the twilights last gleaming.  And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting
in air, gave proof through the night, that our flag was still there.  Oh
say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave. O'er the land of the free and
the home of the brave.

Ok, terrible punctuation for the lyrics on my part, but I'm pretty sure the
words are mostly accurate <g>.

This is the only place I've heard of bombs "bursting" though.  It's usually
exploding for bombs and bursting for balloons <g>.

Tara

>
>
> Baffled of Keele  <g>
>
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:33:33 +0100 Wendy Richards
<w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:

> Kathy wrote:
>> I have to ask Wendy though...
>>>>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."
>>> Bursting?? Exploding!
>> What's wrong with bombs "bursting"? <bg>

> Huh? I have *never* heard 'bursting' used in conjunction with bombs!
Tyres or balloons burst; bombs explode... at least in my experience
with language usage, anyway. :)

>> Kathy (humming the US national anthem ;))

> Ummm....?

> Baffled of Keele  <g>

Dear Baffled,

Tara has already answered the bit about the US national anthem, so I'll
take that as understood. As regards bombs (and other things that go
BANG! -- see below) "bursting", that is an old usage that is rather
less current these days. For instance (ObSuperman), the original
Superman, circa 1938, wasn't as invulnerable as the character later
became. As first introduced by Siegel and Schuster, he was bullet-proof
and could resist anything up to "a bursting shell" (i.e., artillery
round) -- Zoom or someone else may have the exact quote; I'm going from
memory here.

I believe the term goes back to Napoleonic days, or even further, when
guns were prone to blowing themselves apart if great care was not taken
in their manufacture; for instance, any air bubbles that were present
from the casting process were a sure-fire ticket to the gun rupturing
itself when fired -- if not the first time, then eventually. Such an
explosion, which converted a gun into a metal banana peel, was referred
to as the gun bursting.

Later, when gunpowder-filled roundshot (sometimes called "bombs") were
introduced for use from special large-calibre mortars, they, too, were
said to burst when the charge of powder went off (for the reason that
they exploded from the inside, as do bubbles, tyres or balloons), and
these are the bombs referred to in "The Star-Spangled Banner". The term
stuck even when the ammunition became chemical-explosive-filled
bullet-shaped projectiles (a.k.a. "shells"), and is still used today in
a variety of contexts -- like, say, a star-shell, or nuclear weapons,
which are often fuzed for "airburst".

I suspect you now know far more than you ever wanted to about this
topic. <g>

Phil
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In a message dated 10/04/2000 5:49:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< bombs explode... at least in my experience with language
 usage, anyway. :) >>

Well, at least you said you only experienced them in language. ;)

-Laurie (glad to know that Wendy's safe from bombs)
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In a message dated 10/4/00 12:35:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
truitt22@FLASH.NET writes:

<< I think those stories are up at Anne's site. >>

Hey there,

While I normally don't post without permission either, being more of a
private site owner I can take more of a chance to do this.

For Barbarians at Berlin, there was a misunderstanding. I was under the
impression I had permission to post, but after being up less than a week, I
was asked to remove it. As for First Flight, I had tried to track the author
down, but to no avail.

I took the chance to post with the same condition I had posted nfic stories
by the Gorn ... should either of these authors come to me and ask that their
fic be removed, I will do so without hesitation.

For the fanzine fics, it was stated that all those fics would be made
available to the general public one year after the fanzine itself was
released, but I will respect those who wish not to post their stories. :)

As for right now, I am missing several other fics from the fanzine, but I am
waiting on the authors. <coughhintcough>

Anne ;)
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Hey guys!

This is going to be interesting, since I'm having a problem with getting =
list posts in the correct order. <G> Still, so long as I remember what =
my questions were, I don't suppose it matters that I'll probably =
(hopefully <G>) get the answers before the question appears. ;)

Okay, here's what I need to know, please.

In the US, would you say wire wool or steel wool? Or neither?

And, to save me wasting valuable writing time trawling through tapes - =
can anyone remember which episode introduced Bernie Klein? And in his =
very first scene with Clark and/or Lois, was there anything in the =
dialogue that made it clear that this was their first meeting? Or can I =
pretend they met him at Star Labs prior to the episode, and already knew =
him, but that this was their first meeting on screen?

Thanks for the help, as always!

LabRat :)
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Thanks to Quinn for an answer on the steel wool and to James. Both =
replies came directly to me - I don't know if this was deliberate or if =
they were intended for the list and the To Line is glitching again.

Just in case it was the latter, anyone wanting to reply to my post might =
be advised to closely check the To Line on their message before hitting =
send. :)

Thanks! And thanks for the help, Quinn and James. Appreciated. =
Particularly pleased you do use steel wool in the US as I wasn't looking =
forward to having to find an alternative if you didn't. ;)

LabRat :)
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Thanks, Tara and Phil (and LOL Laurie!). I have to confess that national
anthems are not really my preferred musical form, so I'm not familiar with
the words to many of them. (They tend to be somewhat over-jingoistic for my
taste; on the rare occasions when I have to sing the Irish national anthem,
I sing it in Irish so that the impact of the violent
'let's-kill-the-invading-b*stards' theme is less evident!).

 Phil wrote:
> As regards bombs (and other things that go
> BANG! -- see below) "bursting", that is an old usage that is rather
> less current these days. For instance (ObSuperman), the original
> Superman, circa 1938, wasn't as invulnerable as the character later
> became. As first introduced by Siegel and Schuster, he was bullet-proof
> and could resist anything up to "a bursting shell" (i.e., artillery
> round)

Ah... so it's not contemporary language usage. <g> Just as 'recipe' used to
be spelt 'receipt', and 'dancing on the wind' was once a metaphor for being
hanged. Interesting!

> I suspect you now know far more than you ever wanted to about this
> topic. <g>

Hmmm... well, *what* is it that you teach, again, O Professor? ;)

Somewhat-Less-Baffled of Keele

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On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:19:32 -0500, timothy truitt <truitt22@FLASH.NET>
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>Kathy
>I think those stories are up at Anne's site.
>merry

Merry, it was never a case of me not being able to get the stories.  I have
all the text files as they appeared in the fanzine itself.  It's a matter of
the Archive not having permission to post them.

Kathy
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Thanks, Kathy, for the clarification:)  I thought it might be something
like that and it is too bad they can't be posted, even though it is
understandable....
Carolyn

>On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:37:52 -0500, Carolyn Schnall
<cschnall@MED.CORNELL.EDU>
>wrote:
>
>>I rechecked the fanzine last night and found that two of the stories do
not
>>appear to be on the site, unless I missed them.  They are Peace's First
>>Flight and Barbarians at Berlin.  Just wonderin....:)
>
>The author of "First Flight" has dropped from FoLCdom, and did not respond
to
>any emails sent to her address.  The IRC group that wrote "Barbarians"
>decided they did not want the story on the Archive.
>
>Since the Archive only puts up stories with author permission, these
stories
>were not uploaded.
>
>Kathy
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:33:58 +0100, Wendy Richards <
w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:

>Ah... so it's not contemporary language usage.

Well, it depends on how you define oral s--, er, I mean, contemporary
language. ;)

No, it's not a phrase Americans use everyday, though I'd like to think the
same can be said for "exploding" bombs as well.  But it's become such a part
of the culture, the words being taught to every school child (as with all
national anthems) and sung at every sporting event, it wouldn't sound odd to
American ears.  So is it a phrase people use every day? No. But is it part
of
the common American language? Yes.

As for Tara writing up the words for us to the Star Spangled Banner, good
for
you!  You must have been one of those 10 people watching the Olymics!!!
<vbg>

Kathy (who was one of the other 10 people <g>)
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Kathy wrote

> But it's become such a part
> of the culture, the words being taught to every school child (as with all
> national anthems) and sung at every sporting event, it wouldn't sound odd
to
> American ears.

Just curious: is the American national anthem really sung in schools every
day, or is this just a popular myth?

Wendy

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Wendy wrote:

>Just curious: is the American national anthem really sung in schools every
>day, or is this just a popular myth?

It's a myth.  <g>  I don't think I've *ever* heard it sung in a school.
Just
at ball games and such.  And so many things that maybe *used* to be
done--like
saying the pledge of allegiance, for instance--has pretty much been done
away
with, which I think is sad.  I was shocked to attend my son's first day of
kindergarten and discover that they were going to be saying it daily.  I
thought it had been banned in schools, since the ACLU and other governing
parties are clamping down on so many things.  It seems being a human can
even
be politically incorrect some days. <sigh>

Okay, this is OT, so I'll quit now before Kathy boots me off the list.  <sg>

Erin  :)
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>Wendy wrote:
>
>>Just curious: is the American national anthem really sung in schools every
>>day, or is this just a popular myth?

Well, for what it's worth, in the music programs I grew up with, we learned
the national anthem in elementary school, and performed it repeatedly
throughout high school for events.

Some of the events were sporting events, but a good number also were
school-wide assemblies and such.

We also said the pledge every day until we hit high school (at around age
14).

'Course, this was some time ago.

Erin wrote:

And so many things that maybe *used* to be done--like
>saying the pledge of allegiance, for instance--has pretty much been done
away
>with, which I think is sad.  I was shocked to attend my son's first day of
>kindergarten and discover that they were going to be saying it daily.  I
>thought it had been banned in schools, since the ACLU and other governing
>parties are clamping down on so many things.

Not having children of my own, I can't answer the present day question. But
I do know my nieces and nephews say the pledge at school daily.

Amy
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Labby wrote:

>And, to save me wasting valuable writing time trawling through tapes
>- can anyone remember which episode introduced Bernie Klein? And in
>his very first scene with Clark and/or Lois, was there anything in
>the dialogue that made it clear that this was their first meeting?
>Or can I pretend they met him at Star Labs prior to the episode, and
>already knew him, but that this was their first meeting on screen?

Since I've written stories where I dealt with this Dr. Klein thing before, I
have done some research on it.  It was 'Don't Tug on Superman's Cape' when
our
beloved Bernie first appeared.  And if you recall that scene, Supes is
helping
Doc Klein out of the STAR Labs building, and Doc Klein is holding his head.
Lois spots him, and the scene goes:

Lois:  "What happened?"

Klein:  "I'm sorry, I'm still a bit loompy.  <funny word ;) >

Then Klein turns to Supes, gasps, grabs him by the arms and says, "Superman!
They took it all!"

Lois butts in:  "Took all of what?  Was it Badbrain?"

Klein:  "We didn't see anybody."

Superman holds out BadBrain's calling card to Lois and says, "Nobody had
to."

Lois takes it and sighs.  "His calling card."

Klein panics and turns back to Supes:  "Did he leave that in the Kryptonite
vault?"

Clark panics and holds up his hand as if to silence Dr. Klein:  "Uhhh, Dr.
Klein--"

Lois immediately catches on:  "The what?!"

Dr. Klein turns to Lois:  "The vault.  Where we kept the Kryptonite for
Superman."

Lois, incredulously:  "Excuse me.  You're keeping Kryptonite here?"

Klein:  "And now BadBrain Johnson has it!  Oh, my head!"

Clark:  "Doctor, can you excuse us for a second?"  He leads Lois aside...

Lois:  "Why would you have Kryptonite?"

Clark:  "Dr. Klein is working on a radiation therapy.  It's like a vaccine.
If we can counteract its effects, then it won't be a problem any longer."

Okay, whew.  ;)  But this whole excerpt tells me that Clark (as Supes) has
known Dr. Klein for a while, even if Lois didn't, since obviously he'd been
working with the scientist for a while to develop the vaccine, or radiation
therapy treatment.  And from watching the scene, it seems they known each
other well and are friendly since they seemed to be comfortable with each
other and had a trust and rapport thing going.  Hope this helps, Labbie!  ;)

Also, Lab, you mentioned you'd had a couple of replies went only to you and
not the list.  When I hit 'reply,' I did make a special point of looking at
the addy that appeared, and it did indeed appear as your addy only, not the
lists.  So I just changed it.  <g>

Erin  :)
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>Mel- I was thinking reading this that you sound like a good teacher :)

<blushes> Thanks... and thanks for the explaination. It'll go into my bag
of tricks to use if/when I ever get that TESL certificate...

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At 12:13 PM 04/10/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>Wendy wrote:
>
>>Just curious: is the American national anthem really sung in schools every
>>day, or is this just a popular myth?
>
>It's a myth.  <g>  I don't think I've *ever* heard it sung in a school.

<snip the rest of Erin's comments>

When I was in grades 1-5, in the mission field, my sister and I and the
rest of the missionary kids, got taught via correspondence course, with
college education majors who came over for a year of missionary service as
teachers - we called them 'student missionaries'... Anyway, my sister and I
are Canadian, and most of the other kids were American - so we got to sing
Oh Canada (the old, English language version - duh) *and* the Star-Spangled
Banner, and say the American Pledge of Allegiance. Every day. And we got
taught American history - I never learnt any Canadian history until I was
in grade 9, and since I was in Quebec, that was mostly from the Quebec
separatist point of view :P... Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I think I
know the American stuff as well as, perhaps better than my own... And yes,
Wendy, we did it *every day*!!!

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Wendy asked:
>>Just curious: is the American national anthem really sung in schools every
>>day, or is this just a popular myth?

When I was in elementary school (through age 12), we did say the Pledge of
Allegiance to the flag every morning, but we didn't sing the "Star Spangled
Banner."  We sang "America" <g>.  Every morning.  We still sing "America"
now in college, but we don't usually sing the words <g>, as we use it for a
warm-up in choir.

I don't know where I learned the "Star Spangled Banner," but I know that I
and my classmates already knew it when my high school choir learned an
arrangement to sing at the opening of a White Sox game (the game was
canceled due to cold weather, and we didn't get to sing there).  Thanks to
Tara for giving the words, but you left out a line :)

The Star Spangled Banner (the tune was originally a 'drinking song,' I've
been told, and that's why it's so hard to sing.  The words were written by
Francis Scott Key, during the war of 1812.  He happened to be on a British
ship and overheard their plans for this attack on Fort...(?)  The British,
of course, couldn't let him go back and give away their plans, but he asked
only that he be allowed to watch the battle from an American ship, which had
been captured by the British.  ...What do you on the other side of the pond
call the War of 1812?)

Oh, say! Can you see
By the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed
At the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars
Through the perilous night
'Ore the ramparts we watched
Were so gallantly streaming.
And the rockets' red glare,
The bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night
That our flag was still there!
Oh, say, does that star spangled
Banner yet wave
'Ore the land of the free
And the home of the brave?

America (I sang this so many times that it never occurred to me to wonder
what the word meant, until just now as I was trying to put in the
punctuation :P!  Sung to the same tune as "God save the Queen")

My country tis of thee
Sweet land of liberty
Of thee I sing
Land of the Pilgrims' pride
Land where my fathers died
>From every mountainside
Let freedom ring

Pledge of Allegiance

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.

or, as it is usually said:
I pledge allegiance,
to the flag,
of the United States of America.
And to the Republic,
for which it stands,
one nation,
under God,
indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.

I believe that the Pledge was written around the time of the Civil War, and
that the 'under God' was added some half-century later.  We said it every
morning in elementary school, and every morning at summer camp.  At summer
camp, we made a point of not putting a comma between 'one nation' and 'under
God,' so that now it seems bizarre to me to hear it with the comma.
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I'm assuming that since no one has mentioned this previously, it's a problem
that only I am having.  Still I thought I'd mention it in case anyone has
had
similar problems or knows why I'm having the problem I'm having.

Since September  I've experienced an annoying problem with archive downloads
which precludes my being able to read the stories posted there.  Except for
three stories (Trouble About Chats & Sobs, When Lightning Strikes Twice, and
Psychic part IV) all the stories download as one large mass of type, with no
paragraph breaks or any quotation breaks.  Also I can't tell if the entire
story downloaded because the last line or two that shows on the screen is
overwritten, so I have no way to know if that is the end.  I suspect that
not
all of the story is downloading.   This phenomena occurs both in the 'What's
New' section and in the story accessed by going to the author.   This is a
major irritation because it means I don't have a readable access to stories
that weren't posted first to Zoom's board.

I'm curious as to whether there has been a change in the way that stories
are
being uploaded to the archives now.  There have been no changes to my
computer.  I still have the same service I've always had (aol), and have
never had a problem in the past, nor do any stories uploaded prior to
september seem affected.  Also, the three stories mentioned above aren't
affected.

Just wondering ...
Tank
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Tank, it might be a problem with the way you're downloading the files- maybe
you're saving them in a different format than the one needed for your wp
program. Other than that, I don't know.
Hope this helps.

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Diyan asked what the War of 1812 is called on this side of the pond; I've
only ever seen/heard it referred to as the American War of Independence.

Thanks for the responses re. the US national anthem. I'm not sure where I
got that idea from, <g> but I will say that to me even reciting the Pledge
of Allegiance sounds a weird thing to do in school! Still, each to his/her
own!

Wendy
(who wonders what those on either side of the War of Independence would
have thought of The Patriot...)
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I probably didn't make myself clear.  When I read something off the net, I
generally read while still on site.  So when I access the archive, I go into
'What's New'  click on the stories shown there, and read them right then.
It's when I click on the story, and it opens that I get the solid mass of
type.  That's how the story files are opening.  This is true of all, but
those three stories, uploaded since september.  It doesn't hold for those
uploaded prior to that.
I don't save any stories to download later.  Well, seldom.

Still confused
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I'm looking at the script for MOSB, and I see that the character who
announces that Superman has been ordered to 'cease and desist' using his
Super-powers is called the 'City Attorney'. Is that a different role from a
District Attorney, or is the script using some sort of shorthand here? I'd
just like to be sure that I'm using the titles correctly.

Wendy

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In a message dated 10/4/00 11:02:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< Diyan asked what the War of 1812 is called on this side of the pond; I've
 only ever seen/heard it referred to as the American War of Independence.
  >>

We call the War of 1812....the War of 1812.  What you refer to as the
American War of Independence took place from 1775-1783 and we call that the
Revolutionary War when speaking amongst ourselves and the American
Revolution
when speaking to a larger audience.  I personally saw The Patriot on the 4th
of July this year, and think that all Americans, and actually anyone who
owes
their personal freedom to people who have died on our behalf, should see it,
just like they should see Saving Private Ryan.  I won't bore you with
historical details, but I think the Smithsonian did a bang-up job with this
movie.

The War of 1812 is when our former mother country ;) came back for another
go
round, even burning most of DC, including the new White House....Dolly
Madison heroically saved those paintings of George and Martha, and that is
also when F.Scott Key (namesake to F. Scott Fitzgerald) wrote the Star
Spangled Banner when seeing the flag still waving in the morning at Fort
McHenry in Baltimore Harbor, after a night of terrific shelling.  And since
Superman, in some form, carried the American flag, this is not exactly
off-topic <g>.

I'm sorry, once I get started spouting American history, I have a hard time
stopping.

Kate
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>>Diyan asked what the War of 1812 is called on this side of the pond; I've
>>only ever seen/heard it referred to as the American War of Independence.<<

That's what we call the Revolutionary War- it was fought from April 1775
to...(oh, dear, I'll have to look this up...) September 1783.

The War of 1812 was over shipping rights or something... oh, here we go
(looking up again)- the US was unhappy about the effects of the Napoleonic
wars on trade.  The British actually repealed the laws that the Americans
were so upset about 2 days before the war started, but they didn't have
telephones or telegraphs or email back then.  And one of the worst battles
was fought 2 weeks after the war was offically over.  Both sides claimed to
have won, but actually both lost, because they fought a costly war over
miscommunications!

It was fought from June 1812 and a peace treaty was signed in December 1814,
although battles were still being fought in January 1815.  The fort in
question in the Star Spangled Banner is Ft. McHenry.

>>(who wonders what those on either side of the War of Independence would
>>have thought of The Patriot...)<<

I haven't seen it yet :P

-Dia (who is waiting for the list mom to declare this thread off topic)
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In a message dated 10/4/00 11:38:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< City Attorney'. Is that a different role from a
 District Attorney, or is the script using some sort of shorthand here? >>

No, they are two separate positions.  The City Attorney is just that,
attorney for whatever city...and the District Attorney is the one who
prosecutes criminals.  Correct me if I'm wrong, any legal eagles out there.
Kate
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I thought that a City Attorney was the same as a District Attorney, the
difference bieng that the 'district' part was usually reserved for larger
areas: eg. counties and states. City Attorneys are usually just that, an
attorney hired for the city in that particular precinct (divided up like
police stations.).
Hope this helped more than it confused :)

Katie
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Wendy asked if we sing the national anthem everyday in school.  It depends
on what kind of  thing is done to begin the school day.  Almost everyone
says the pledge of allegiance.  When I was first on the local school board,
we dropped the requirement for saying it because it had just become a
meaningless repetition to the kids.  It was to be replaced by  patriotic
readings, quotes, songs etc broadcast over the intercom system.  Our action
so enraged the state legislature that they passed a law requiring that the
pledge be said every day in every school.

Singing the national anthem is, indeed, another kettle of fish. (ghoti?)
It's played a lot by bands  and over p.a. systems, but hardly anybody
actually sings it all the way through because the vocal range is so
impossible.  BTW, it actually only became the official national anthem in
the 1930's.  Every once in a while there is a movement to change to a more
singable anthem, usually to 'America, the Beautiful' which is an original
American song.  Since the tune to 'America' is the same as 'God Save the
Queen', it would hardly be an appropriate choice.  The idea of changing our
anthem has never gone very far.  We dodged a bullet by rejecting Ben
Franklin's suggestion that the turkey should be the official American bird,
but we seem to be stuck with that turkey of an unsingable national anthem.
Jude
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I think this is correct.  A district attorney is appointed to work for a
specified district, and, I think in many cases that district encompasses the
county.

Liz S.

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I'm looking at the script for MOSB, and I see that the character who
announces that Superman has been ordered to 'cease and desist' using his
Super-powers is called the 'City Attorney'. Is that a different role from a
District Attorney, or is the script using some sort of shorthand here? I'd
just like to be sure that I'm using the titles correctly.

Wendy

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Hi everyone!  Fun discussions bursting all around me.
That sentence, BTW, was a quote from the series.  Lois says it as she gets
out of the car at the  bachelorette auction in WIEAK.  I was focused on the
'there's" and it's possible she said 'exploding', but that's not how I
remember it.

Thought I'd give you the point totals, so far, and will post the answers and
explanations late tonight (Pacific Coast time).  There was a total of 20
points plus 3 if you got the quotes from the series.  Wendy was the only one
who tried those and she got one right.  Instructions said you had to make
corrections and explain them. Some of you neglected the second part so got
dinged half a point, otherwise there would have been more perfect scores.
Here goes:

Jenny and Dia =  a perfect 20
Bethy Em  =  19
Becky  =  18.5
Mel  -  18
Wendy (who forgot to explain some things or her score would have been
perfect)  =  17.5  + a point for identifying one of the series quotes
Irene and Kathy (who also forgot to explain)  = 17
Alexis = 9

I hope this is everybody who responded.  The next quiz will be shorter,
easier to score, and , I hope, harder to answer.

Jude
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Subject:      Re: OT: War for American Independence

Whoops!! Apologies! Of *course* I knew the War of Independence was in 1789!
In that case, I can't answer the question.  :blush

As for The Patriot, I won't bore anyone with the list of historical
inaccuracies in that film! Maybe it's not quite as blatant as Hollywood's
other rewriting of history this year (a WW2 film in which the US broke the
Enigma code!!), but Patriot is widely regarded as a poor representation of
the truth.

Don't accuse me of taking sides here, btw - I'm Irish! <g>

Wendy

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Thanks for the very swift replies on this so far! I'm still confused,
though, since Kate thinks they're different and Katie thinks they're the
same. Kate's reply does make sense, though... anyone with legal knowledge?

Wendy
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Yes, this was a typo. <:o>   Laurie wrote:

<< 5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was
Lex
 doing in her bed!" >>

Sorry, couldn't resist this one--Lois found a cold fish (Lex) in her bed? I
never quite pictured Lex as a cod before. ;)

-----Ha, Ha, Laurie, you really got my ghoti on that one.  ;), ;)  <wg>.
Jude
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>The War of 1812 is when our former mother country ;) came back for another
go
>round, even burning most of DC, including the new White House....Dolly
>Madison heroically saved those paintings of George and Martha, and that is
>also when F.Scott Key (namesake to F. Scott Fitzgerald) wrote the Star
>Spangled Banner when seeing the flag still waving in the morning at Fort
>McHenry in Baltimore Harbor, after a night of terrific shelling.  And since
>Superman, in some form, carried the American flag, this is not exactly
>off-topic <g>.
>
>I'm sorry, once I get started spouting American history, I have a hard time
>stopping.
>
>Kate

I remember studying the War of 1812 in Canadian history in grade 9 - did a
ten-page term paper on it, in fact. See, at that time, Canada was still a
part of the British Empire (or whatever the correct term for our
relationship with Britain then, was) - so there were battles in that war
fought in Canada. Hm... wonder if I can find that term paper now? I got a
pretty good grade on it - even though it ended up more than ten pages. I
can get pretty longwinded when I get inspired, and I got inspired then - it
even has pictures and poems in it :)

Melisma (under her rock, although she should really go out and do something
useful today - but she's still sick and doesn't feel like it...)

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I live in a small enough town to know both the city
attorney AND the county attorney. They're different.

The city attorney attends the city council meetings
and is legal counsel.

The county attorney's office is at the county
courthouse and prosecutes.

Pam

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<<  but Patriot is widely regarded as a poor representation of
 the truth. >>

So, I've heard <g>.  The English don't care for the representation of some
of
their officers, but on this side of the pond, it's considered pretty
accurate.  guess it's time to break out the war again.

Many of the main characters are based on actual people, if not the actual
people themselves.  The Patriot himself is actually a composite of three
different people who fought the British (sorry Wendy, we're just used to
that
term when referencing the Revolution) in the Carolinas.  The Smithsonian
went
out of its way to insure the accuracy of historicity in this movie, as it
was
it's first feature production, and since it is an American film, it's
natually going to portray the American view of history.

Oh, and Wendy, 1789 was the year the US Constitution was ratified, the war
had been over for 6 years, 8 years since the defeat at Yorktown.

I feel like apologizing for U-571, though, as that was blatent
misrepresentation of facts.

Kate
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In a message dated 10/4/00 12:14:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
melisma@INTERGATE.CA writes:

<< I remember studying the War of 1812 in Canadian history in grade 9 - did
a
 ten-page term paper on it, in fact. See, at that time, Canada was still a
 part of the British Empire (or whatever the correct term for our
 relationship with Britain then, was) - so there were battles in that war
 fought in Canada. >>

Sorry, can you tell I'm one of those obnoxious history buffs......Melisma,
did you know that battles were fought in Canada during the American
Revolution as well?  Yup, the infamous Benedict Arnold led a force up your
way and fought long and hard to capture your fair country.  That was when he
was still an American hero...before he became the most infamous traitor in
our country's history.

Kate
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----- Original Message -----
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> On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:33:58 +0100, Wendy Richards <
> w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
>
> >Ah... so it's not contemporary language usage.
>
> Well, it depends on how you define oral s--, er, I mean, contemporary
> language. ;)
>
> No, it's not a phrase Americans use everyday, though I'd like to think the
> same can be said for "exploding" bombs as well.  But it's become such a
part
> of the culture, the words being taught to every school child (as with all
> national anthems) and sung at every sporting event, it wouldn't sound odd
to
> American ears.  So is it a phrase people use every day? No. But is it part
of
> the common American language? Yes.

Hmm.  I must be unusual, 'cause it did sound strange to me.  I've never
actually heard anyone use it except in the Star Spangled Banner.  <shrug>
Maybe it's just a me thing again <g>

>
> As for Tara writing up the words for us to the Star Spangled Banner, good
for
> you!  You must have been one of those 10 people watching the Olymics!!!
<vbg>
>

lol!  Nope!  I wasn't watching it.  I just happened to remember the words.
I've too been busy working and doing school stuff to watch much tv (I 've
had to have my mom record shows I wanted to watch so I could watch them
later--they're all on when I'm working!)

> Kathy (who was one of the other 10 people <g>)
>

Tara
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>Sorry, can you tell I'm one of those obnoxious history buffs......Melisma,
>did you know that battles were fought in Canada during the American
>Revolution as well?  Yup, the infamous Benedict Arnold led a force up your
>way and fought long and hard to capture your fair country.  That was when
he
>was still an American hero...before he became the most infamous traitor in
>our country's history.
>
>Kate

LOL Kate, I'm an obnoxious history buff, too. Coulda taken a history minor
in college, except I didn't feel like being a history teacher and forcing
it on poor kids...

No, I guess I didn't know it - or if I did, I've forgotten. (I'm always
learning, and happy to :) But that fact wouldn't surprise me - our two
countries are only separated by a line, or a river in certain parts of the
border, so that's not a whole lot to keep out invaders with... I know that
a lot of Americans who were loyal to Britain came to Canada - the Eastern
Townships of Quebec have a lot of anglophones who are descendants of the
Loyalists - and also that not a few Canadians went to the States around the
time of the American Revolution and the War of 1812... In fact, the Cajuns
of Louisiana are said to be descendants of people from Acadia, a
francophone region of the Atlantic provinces - mainly New Brunswick, if my
Eastern Canadian geography is any good... (I'm also a geography buff, but
like history, mostly got the American version in elementary school, and
practically none in high school - they were both electives in grades 10-12,
and I elected to take as many music courses as I could, to the exclusion of
nearly everything else. And then I took my degrees at an American
university. Most of the history and geography I've learnt has been through
reading and studying after I graduated...)

Melisma (blushing at her ignorance, here under her rock)

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The City Attorneys I have known were appointed to give counsel and advice on
legal matters to the city government.  Those persons committing crimes and
misdemeanors are charged  in the judicial system where they are  prosecuted
by representatives from the Prosecutor's office, sometimes called a District
Dttorney's office. depending on how the system is set up.  Prosecuting
attorneys, D.A.'s, Assistant D.A's all function in the criminal justice
system.  City Attornays don't.  At least not  in my experience.  Jude
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> Thanks for the very swift replies on this so far! I'm still confused,
> though, since Kate thinks they're different and Katie thinks they're the
> same. Kate's reply does make sense, though... anyone with legal knowledge?
>
>
> Wendy
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Mel wrote:  Most of the history and geography I've learnt has been through
> reading and studying after I graduated...)

-----I'm trying to remember and not  succeeding too well, but I seem to
recall a raid led by Rogers (was it George? William?) and a group called
Rogers' Rangers who had a terrible time getting to and coming back from a
Canadian skirmish.  Anyway, there's a novel about it called, I think,
Northwest Passage--a good read--by an excellent writer of historical
fiction, whose name I can't remember either.  Well, this was certainly
helpful wasn't it?  Jude
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Subject:      Re: OT: The Patriot, listmoms and patriotic songs <g>

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:28:07 EDT, Kate Crane <KCrane1865@AOL.COM> wrote:

><<  but Patriot is widely regarded as a poor representation of
> the truth. >>
>
>
>So, I've heard <g>.  The English don't care for the representation of some
of
>their officers, but on this side of the pond, it's considered pretty
>accurate.  guess it's time to break out the war again.

I've actually read interviews with American historians who have said the
movie is inaccurate, but I can't quote sources, specifics, etc.  I have also
not seen the movie, so I have no personal knowledge, just what I've read.

As for declaring the thread off topic ... nah. <g>  I'm pretty laid back
when
it comes to these things.  I figure that threads pretty much run their own
course, and declaring something educational and interesting off topic
doesn't
help anyone.  They are titled appropriately with the correct subject, so
people can skim/delete if they want. If it were to go on for days, and
people
complained, I might have to shut it down, but at this point, it never even
crossed my mind. :)

Besides, we could excuse it as saying we are all learning about American
history and that could come in handy in a fanfic someday. <g>

As for the Star Spangled Banner, I never sang it in school other than when
we
learned it in elementary music class (along with "American the Beautiful"
and
"My Country Tis of Thee" [what Dia called America; I have no idea what the
right title is!])  As most of us adults remember, we used to say the Pledge
of Allegience every day, until high school.  All sporting events do begin
with the playing of the national anthem, though, and the big joke is that no
one knows the words. <g>

Erin, I had thought that kids no longer said the Pledge in elementary
school,
too, but then Amy's original Kindergarten teacher had them saying it every
day this year, as did the other Kindergarten teacher in her class.  But now
Amy has a new teacher and she doesn't have them say it.  I want to ask her
why not -- I thought it was great that they were learning it.  (See, not all
us bleeding heart liberals want to do away with such things. ;))

Kathy
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Subject:      Re: Question for a Fic: attorneys

Thanks to everyone who's replied - FoLCs are great!

My head's now spinning as I try to figure out all the distinctions between
City, County and District Attorneys; but as far as my original question is
concerned, I have an answer. Patricia Cheng is definitely a *City* Attorney.

Wendy

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> At 12:13 PM 04/10/2000 -0600, you wrote:
> >Wendy wrote:
> >
> >>Just curious: is the American national anthem really sung in schools
every
> >>day, or is this just a popular myth?
> >
> >It's a myth.  <g>  I don't think I've *ever* heard it sung in a school.
>
> <snip the rest of Erin's comments>
>
> When I was in grades 1-5, in the mission field, my sister and I and the
> rest of the missionary kids, got taught via correspondence course, with
> college education majors who came over for a year of missionary service as
> teachers - we called them 'student missionaries'... Anyway, my sister and
I
> are Canadian, and most of the other kids were American - so we got to sing
> Oh Canada (the old, English language version - duh) *and* the
Star-Spangled
> Banner, and say the American Pledge of Allegiance. Every day. And we got
> taught American history - I never learnt any Canadian history until I was
> in grade 9, and since I was in Quebec, that was mostly from the Quebec
> separatist point of view :P... Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I think
I
> know the American stuff as well as, perhaps better than my own... And yes,
> Wendy, we did it *every day*!!!
>
> Melisma (under her rock, shutting up as ordered, ma'am :)

No need to shut up, Mel.  We're all happy to hear from you!

Tara
>
>
> Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html
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> Wendy asked:
> >>Just curious: is the American national anthem really sung in schools
every
> >>day, or is this just a popular myth?
>
> When I was in elementary school (through age 12), we did say the Pledge of
> Allegiance to the flag every morning, but we didn't sing the "Star
Spangled
> Banner."  We sang "America" <g>.  Every morning.  We still sing "America"
> now in college, but we don't usually sing the words <g>, as we use it for
a
> warm-up in choir.
>
> I don't know where I learned the "Star Spangled Banner," but I know that I
> and my classmates already knew it when my high school choir learned an
> arrangement to sing at the opening of a White Sox game (the game was
> canceled due to cold weather, and we didn't get to sing there).  Thanks to
> Tara for giving the words, but you left out a line :)

<g>  or two.  It's been awhile since I've seen the whole thing.

Tara
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At 12:12 am 5/10/00, you wrote:
>Kathy wrote
>
> > But it's become such a part
> > of the culture, the words being taught to every school child (as with
all
> > national anthems) and sung at every sporting event, it wouldn't sound
odd
>to
> > American ears.
>
>Just curious: is the American national anthem really sung in schools every
>day, or is this just a popular myth?
>
>
>Wendy
>
>
>--------------------------
>Wendy Richards
>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk

I just had to comment on this... I started reading this thread, then Megan
got up (it's 7.45am) and I was getting her breakfast ready, and humming a
bit of the tune of the US Anthem.  Megan said, "Is that the American
National Anthem?"  I was amazed that she recognised it! (I think I only
hummed about half a line!)  Apparently one of the mothers at kindergarten
(who is American) had been asked to sing the anthem for them only
yesterday, and that's why she recognised it.  Oh, by the way, Megan (at age
5, and not starting real school till next February) knows ALL the words to
the Australian National Anthem, as well as the Israeli one <G>
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At 03:31 am 5/10/00, Diyan wrote:

><snip>
>
>America (I sang this so many times that it never occurred to me to wonder
>what the word meant, until just now as I was trying to put in the
>punctuation :P!  Sung to the same tune as "God save the Queen")
>
>My country tis of thee
>Sweet land of liberty
>Of thee I sing
>Land of the Pilgrims' pride
>Land where my fathers died
> From every mountainside
>Let freedom ring
>
I'm not quite sure why, but when I was in primary school we learned to sing
America the Beautiful, and I still know the words, I think (But these days
when I think of the song, I think of Fozzie Bear singing it in The  Muppet
Movie)

Oh beautiful, for spacious skies
For Amber waves of grain
For purple mountains' majesty
Among <?> the fruited plains
America, America
G-d shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good,
With Brotherhood
 From sea to shining sea

Did i get it right?
Jen

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Well, how messed up can I get.  I looked it up and it was Major Robert
Rogers and his Rangers and the Battle of Crown Point in the French and
Indian Wars when we were still 'the Colonies'.  It's still a good book about
Rogers' life and illustrates how heroes can become failures. The book title
is 'Northwest Passage' and it was written by Kenneth Roberts who wrote
another novel,  'Arundel' which was about Benedict Arnold's attack on
Quebec.  He wrote 'in the olden days'  when historical novelists were true
to historical facts, not interpreters of  the idea of history.  :)  Jude
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> Mel wrote:  Most of the history and geography I've learnt has been through
> > reading and studying after I graduated...)
>
>
> -----I'm trying to remember and not  succeeding too well, but I seem to
> recall a raid led by Rogers (was it George? William?) and a group called
> Rogers' Rangers who had a terrible time getting to and coming back from a
> Canadian skirmish.  Anyway, there's a novel about it called, I think,
> Northwest Passage--a good read--by an excellent writer of historical
> fiction, whose name I can't remember either.  Well, this was certainly
> helpful wasn't it?  Jude
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At 04:01 am 5/10/00, Wendy Richards wrote:
>Diyan asked what the War of 1812 is called on this side of the pond; I've
>only ever seen/heard it referred to as the American War of Independence.
>
>Thanks for the responses re. the US national anthem. I'm not sure where I
>got that idea from, <g> but I will say that to me even reciting the Pledge
>of Allegiance sounds a weird thing to do in school! Still, each to his/her
>own!
>
>
>Wendy
>(who wonders what those on either side of the War of Independence would
>have thought of The Patriot...)

Hang on, if the war of 1812 was the US War of Independence, what was the
war that ended with the Declaration of Independence in 1776?
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At 04:55 am 5/10/00, Judith Williams wrote:
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>Jenny and Dia =  a perfect 20
Woohoo!
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Wendy, if you think that's odd, in my (very religious) high school, we not
only
recited the pledge of allegiance to the flag daily, we also pledged
allegiance to
the christian flag and the bible daily.  And one of our memorization
exercises
was to learn all *four* verses of the Star Spangled Banner.  Which I have no
recollection of anymore, thanks to a handy hard drive dump by my brain  :)

cerise

so just the pledge is not so bad  :)

At 10/4/00 1:01:00 PM, you wrote:
>
>Diyan asked what the War of 1812 is called on this side of the pond; I've
>only ever seen/heard it referred to as the American War of Independence.
>
>Thanks for the responses re. the US national anthem. I'm not sure where I
>got that idea from, <g> but I will say that to me even reciting the Pledge
>of Allegiance sounds a weird thing to do in school! Still, each to his/her
>own!
>
>
>Wendy
>(who wonders what those on either side of the War of Independence would
>have thought of The Patriot...)
>
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> > As for Tara writing up the words for us to the Star Spangled Banner,
good
> for
> > you!  You must have been one of those 10 people watching the Olymics!!!
> <vbg>
> >
>

Just curious - how come no-one's watching the Olympics in the US this year?
 Last time they were on (in Atlanta, I think?) I happened to be in the
States, and the coverage seemed to be very extensive.

Yvonne
(yconnell@ukf.net)
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Okay, I couldn't pass this one up... <vbg>

Kathy misstyped:

>As for the Star Spangled Banner, I never sang it in school other than when
we
>learned it in elementary music class (along with "American the Beautiful"

Oh, really?  "*American* the Beautiful"??  Is that the national Dean anthem?
<ducking and running>

>Erin, I had thought that kids no longer said the Pledge in elementary
school,
>too, but then Amy's original Kindergarten teacher had them saying it every
>day this year, as did the other Kindergarten teacher in her class.  But now
>Amy has a new teacher and she doesn't have them say it.  I want to ask her
>why not -- I thought it was great that they were learning it.  (See, not
all
>us bleeding heart liberals want to do away with such things. ;))

LOL!  Good to know.  :)  It must be a teacher preference thing.  My oldest
daughter has been in three grades, and not once did one of her teachers ever
teach or have them say the Pledge of Allegiance.  That's why I was so
surprised that my son's kindergarten teacher told us parents that they'd be
saying it.  Hmmm.

Back to lurking...

Erin  :)
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In a message dated 10/04/2000 2:38:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< I'm looking at the script for MOSB, and I see that the character who
 announces that Superman has been ordered to 'cease and desist' using his
 Super-powers is called the 'City Attorney'. Is that a different role from a
 District Attorney, or is the script using some sort of shorthand here? I'd
 just like to be sure that I'm using the titles correctly. >>

Well, there are attorneys that work for municipalities that do legal work
other than prosecuting crime. I know, for example, that I once harassed a
county attorney until she finally dug out the contract that was sitting on
her desk for a year and processed it (I was tired of waiting!). So I'd say
this is a noncrime fighting sort of attorney. Some are involved in looking
over drafts of legislation, some on contracts, some on suits filed against
the municipality, some on real estate deals. In short, there's plenty to do
in a large city...

--Laurie
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In a message dated 10/04/2000 2:38:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
KCrane1865@AOL.COM writes:

<< even burning most of DC, including the new White House....Dolly
 Madison heroically saved those paintings of George and Martha >>

Ah, yes, and she's the lady who popularized ice cream, too!

--Laurie (ice cream addict)
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In a message dated 10/04/2000 6:48:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
erink@IDA.NET
writes:

<< It must be a teacher preference thing.  My oldest
 daughter has been in three grades, and not once did one of her teachers
ever
 teach or have them say the Pledge of Allegiance.  >>

How odd. Every school I go into (and I visit lots of elementary schools and
on occasion a middle school), I hear the pledge recited over the loudspeaker
sometimes followed by a patriotic song and always followed by the day's
announcements.

--Laurie
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Tank,

About your download problem......  Do you have a Mac, perchance.

I ask this because I have a PC and have never had any trouble downloading
stories from the archive.  However, one weekend I was visiting my parents
and accessed the site using my mom's computer.  I had the same problem that
you described.  Mom's computer is an iMac.  When I returned home, I
accessed the same files using my PC and it was as if the problem didn't
even exist.

As to what causes this, I don't know.  My guess is that It has to be some
sort of interface difference with a Mac v. a PC.  As to what you can do to
fix it,  I don't know.  Someone who is more savvy about this wil have to
answer that one.

Lisa M. Ramirez
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Okay.  I'll try this.

*
*
*
S
P
O
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R

S
P
O
I
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E
R
*
*
*

>
>1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
>question as to who controlled this meeting.'

Should it be "that" rather than "this"?  (Crossing my fingers you didn't
throw in a correct one first thing just to trick us. <g>)

>2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."
>

*She* and Clark are out on assignment.

>3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."
>

Between you and me, not I.  And is that from TA?

>4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
>that morning."

Correct, I think.

>5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
>doing in her bed!"

Well, aside from the omicod.... <g> it should be just laying or just
nestled.  Both verbs are redundant, right?

>6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
>investigate, so could they."

Well, I know that "they" isn't technically correct, since a journalist is
only one person.  But saying "he or she" just sounds silly.  If that were my
sentence, I'd choose to rebel against grammar. <g>  And I bet that "some"
isn't technially correct either, but I don't really have any idea.

>7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait
>for
>the next one."

That sentence says the elevator was running to catch the elevator. <g>  It
should say something like "She ran to catch the elevator, but its doors
closed and she had to wait for the next one."

>
>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."

There *are* bombs.

>
>9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."

No apostrophe.  Its sweetness.

>10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
>enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."

Ack, you had to throw whom in there, didn't you?  Okay, I *think* that's
right.

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Re Jenny's Lyrics:

It's "*Above* the fruited plain."  Otherwise, it was correct. <g>

Just curious, why did you write "G-d" instead of "God"?

Bethy
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The  War of 1812 was a  sidebar to the much wider spread and longer
Napoleonic Wars between France and her European foes, of whom Britain was
one.  Needlesss to say, as soon as American shipping came under attack, the
American government felt compelled to get involved.  ( the Neutrality Acts
or
something)   American forces invaded Canada as part of their strategy,
hoping
that Canadians would rebel against the Bristish ( aka the Evil Empire) --
but
Canadians were disinterested, it being harvest time, etc

Re The Patriot:  The New York Times (or was it the New Yorker?) trashed it
from the perspective of historical accuracy  -- but any movie with Mel
Gibson
in it can't be all bad.

History is all pretty subjective anyway, as I'm finding as I listen to
people
discuss the Trudeau years this past week.  A rose is a rose is a rose.....

btw, I believe that one of the creators of Superman (Shuster) spent his
summers not far from where the Battle of Lundy's Lane (War of 1812)
happened.

West Wing tonight!! -- way OT  <g>

Carol
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I liked this story a lot. I didn't get the Zine so this was a first read for
me.

The plot was good and the emotions real. I thought Clark was too perky at
first, but then during season 2's beginning he *was* a little odd. There's
no
reason, I tell myself, that CK has to be quiet, retiring and observant with
a
twinkle in his eye all the time. Also, it worked as a contrast for his
attitude
later on in the story. You also did very well with Lois.  You reviewed her
past
briefly, enough to remind readers what happened--but you didn't wallow in
it,
which bores me (and I hope I don't write). You used that to bring out new
"facts" (which the show failed to explain or explore), and made Lois a deep,
very sympathetic character.

I also tend to look at stories with somewhat of an editor's eye. In your
story
I would see things and think "Ha! I'd never do that... oh, neither did she!
Very nice recovery!" For example one time you used a word, then used it
again
shortly thereafter... and wrapped up the paragraph with it, so I could tell
it
was part of a clever little plan. Excellent!

Your story is a "good example" story for me, it is one I would ask new
writers
to read.

Your fan,

Debby
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In a message dated 10/4/00 1:58:12 PM EST, judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET
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<< Alexis = 9
  >>

Whoohoo!  Nine is better than 0! LOL!  And at least I can laugh about
it...being in last place as i am...<G>

Alexis ;-.)
{who's still having a very happy birthday!}

"It's physically demanding because you have to tense your whole body and I
get this headache after filming." -Dean Cain talking about *flying* :(
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Hi FoLCs!

The following stories have been updated on the index at
http://www.geocities.com/area51/meteor/7378/lnc.html
A CERTAIN POINT OF VIEW:        HAZEL
DEAR LOIS:      SHAYNET
FEAR OF DISCOVERY III:  YVONNE CONNELL
GROWING PAINS:  AERM1 (AKA ANN)
HIDING IN THE SHADOWS:  IRENE DUTCHAK
PERSONAL LOYALTIES:     CINDY LEUCH
SOUL STRINGS:   RAGGIEMOM
TILL THERE WAS YOU:     CHRISH
UNTITLED:       RCPEACHES2
UNTITLED:       SINGINGDREW (AKA KRISTEN) & ROSE

Completed stories this week:
...AND SHUT THE LIGHT ON YOUR WAY OUT   COMPLETE VIGNETTE       HAZEL
BEGINNINGS:     NAN SMITH
CLARK.DOC       COMPLETE VIGNETTE       SUPERMOM (AKA MARILYN)
SEEKING ASYLUM  COMPLETE VIGNETTE       SHAYNET

Added to the Archive this week:
Misadventures Again: Bumpkin
Strangers: Missy Gallant (prequel to w-i-p When Two Hearts Collide)
To Face the Day: Juli Hale

Enjoy!
The Index Crew
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Well, I think I'll jump in here.  Out of lurker mode.  This looks like fun.

S

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1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
question as to who controlled this meeting.'
End quotation mark:
"He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
question as to who controlled this meeting."

2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."
 "Lois isn't here.  She and Clark are out on assignment."

3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."
"And then there's this strange chemistry between you and me."  (Alternately,
"between us."  I guess you could make a case against a sentence starting
with
"And," but I would leave it the way it is.

4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
that morning."
Word order:
"The town car that usually took Clark and her to the office seemed icy
that morning."
This could be considered  a nonrestrictive clause.  In that case we could
write:
"The town car, which usually took Clark and her to the office, seemed icy
that morning."

5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
doing in her bed!"
"When Lois woke, she was lying nestled next to--omigod!  What was Lex
doing in her bed?"

6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
investigate, so could they."
I think this is better:
"I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
investigate, so would he (she)."

7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait for
the next one."
Awkward...misplaced antecedent.  Perhaps:
"She ran to catch the elevator, but the doors closed, and she had to wait
for
the next one."

8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."
there's = there are ("there're" for a more colloquial approach)
The subjunctive could also be used:
"It's not as if there were bombs bursting everywhere."

9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."
Compound sentence and "its":
"It would be served cold, and he would soon taste its sweetness."

10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."
This looks correct to me.
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 >Erin, I had thought that kids no longer said the Pledge in elementary
school,
 >too, but then Amy's original Kindergarten teacher had them saying it every
 >day this year, as did the other Kindergarten teacher in her class.  But
now
 >Amy has a new teacher and she doesn't have them say it.  I want to ask her
 >why not -- I thought it was great that they were learning it.  (See, not
all
 >us bleeding heart liberals want to do away with such things. ;))

Actually, it isn't that the ACLU wants to ban the saying of the Pledge of
Allegiance (at least as far as I've heard). They just want to make it
non-mandatory. So if a student does not want to say the Pledge, they are not
punished, expelled, etc. Makes sense to me, seeing as though we do have
freedom of speech <g>

Christy (still excited after the 2 hr West Wing premiere :)
kubitc@kenyon.edu
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I changed my mind on one.  I think I'm reading in errors that don't exist.

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"The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
that morning." I've decided that this one seems correct.
I've been thinking about #4 (above), and I've decided to take back my
original answer.  I think "her and Clark" sounds better than "Clark and her"
since in the subjective case "She and Clark" definitely sounds better.  I
assume the word order would follow the same way in the objective.  Funny
thing is, I referred to several grammar books, and I could not find one
single reference to proper word order in a situation in which both a noun
and
a pronoun are in third person.  I only found the usual one regarding "He and
I." Anyone have the definitive answer?  I'm curious.

Jeanne
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Tank,

I suddenly started having the problem you describe about 1-2 years ago. Most
archive stories started appearing as one giant mess with no paragraph breaks
and sometimes I couldn't tell if the story was complete. I have always used
AOL. I use a Mac, so if you use Windows I don't know if what I did will work
for you.

I have never been able to fix the text while reading it online. After I
download the story, I can fix the story in a couple of minutes. All I need
is
a text editor. I usually use Tex-Edit.

I open the story in the text editor and first tell it to convert UNIX to Mac
(replaces linefeed characters with carriage returns). This puts the story
into paragraph form.

DOS puts carriage returns at the end of every line. Macs put carriage
returns
only at the end of paragraphs where they should be. :)  So, because I hate
those annoying short lines of text, I usually tell the editor to convert DOS
to Mac (removes carriage returns). If your using Windows you probably
wouldn't need this step.

A few stories for whatever reason don't need the UNIX conversion. They
appear
in paragraph form (with short lines of text). So, I only need to fix the
line
length by converting DOS to Mac.

I hope this helps.

Ann
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At 09:27 am 5/10/00, Bethy Em wrote:

>Just curious, why did you write "G-d" instead of "God"?
>
>Bethy

I've actually posted about this before, but since you must have missed the
explanation:

Observant Jews (of which I am one) are taught never to use the full name of
G-d (Thou shalt not take the name of the L-rd in vain - sound
familiar?).  The reason is that anything with the Name written on it in
full becomes Holy, and who knows what someone else might do with that paper
that you printed out?  I can't quite recall what the decision is regarding
seeing the Name in full on a computer screen - whether or not you're
allowed to delete the screen or not etc.
However, for very religious/observant Jews, they tend to use the word
"Hashem" (which is a Hebrew word, translating directly as The Name) instead
of referring to G-d.  BTW, I have no problem referring, for example, to
Greek gods, but I would only use the full spelling with a small "g", as
that is enough of an indication that I'm not referring to G-d.

Jen

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Yes, my brain has burst...or is that exploded?  Okay gang, here are the
answers and explanations for the quiz.

1.  "He spoke softly but with a natural command in his tone that left no
question as to who controlled this meeting.'

CORRECT  = 2 pts.  If you changed it, you got 0 points.

2.  "Lois isn't here.  Her and Clark are out on assignment."

INCORRECT.  HER should be SHE and is part of the compound subject of the
verb ARE.  = 2 points if you corrected and explained, but you had to do
both.  Also this is from the series.  Would you believe that Justin Whalin
actually said this?  I think it was in DTOSC but my memory has proved very
faulty in the last two days.  Potentially worth 3 points but no one
identified it as being from the series.
I
3.  "And then there's this strange chemistry between you and I."

INCORRECT.  Should be between you and ME because between is a preposition
and must be followed by a pronoun in the objective case.' I' is a pronoun in
the nominative or subjective case.  = 2 points if you corrected and
explained.  Also this is from the series.  Dean, the Princeton grad, says it
in LAC right after Teri, the Community College dropout, has correctly used
'whom'.  Potentially worth 3 points.  Wendy and Jessi correctly identified
this as being from the series.

4.  "The town car that usually took her and Clark to the office seemed icy
that morning."

CORRECT  = 2 points

5.  "When Lois woke, she was laying nestled next to--omicod!  What was Lex
doing in her bed!"

INCORRECT.  She was LYING which is the present participle form of the
intransitive verb TO LIE, meaning TO RECLINE .  'Laying' is the present
participle of the transitive verb, 'to lay', meaning 'to place or put'and
which needs to be followed by an object.  2 points if you both rewrote and
explained.  And yes "omicod" is a typo but I refuse to flounder around
anymore trying to explain it.

6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
investigate, so could they."

INCORRECT.  As a pronoun, the plural THEY must refer to a plural antecedent,
but JOURNALIST is singular. The simplest way is to make journalist
plural-JOURNALISTS.  If it were not being spoken, you could leave journalist
alone and write S/HE instead of 'they'  In my story, because it was said in
a menacingly meaningful way, I wrote it, "so could he...or she."  = 2 points
if you corrected and explained.
.
7.  "Running to catch the elevator, its doors closed and she had to wait for
the next one."

INCORRECT.  RUNNING TO CATCH THE ELEVATOR  is a dangling modifier,
specifically a
dangling participle. The action described should be enacted by the subject
which in this case is a pronoun referring to the object of the participle.
The elevator can't run to catch itself, although it probably is running up
and down the elevator shaft.  Change RUNNING to AS LOIS RAN.  = 2 points if
you corrected and explained.

8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."

INCORRECT.  The subject is the plural BOMBS and it requires a plural verb.
THERE ARE BOMBS.  And yes I blew this one.  This was supposed to be a quote
from the series (WIEAK), and I could have sworn that Lois said 'bursting',
but I checked it out and she says 'exploding'.  Potentially worth 3 points
if you corrected, explained and identified it as being from the series.

9.  "It would be served cold and he would soon taste it's sweetness."
INCORRECT.  IT'S is the contraction for IT IS.  What's required here is the
possessive of the pronoun IT which is ITS.  Therefore it should read TASTE
ITS SWEETNESS. Worth 2 points if you corrected and explained.

10.  "They had ordered him to wreak their vengeance on a host of their
enemies, but he could begin with whomever he chose."

CORRECT =  2 points.

FINAL POINT TOTALS;

Dia = 20
Jen = 20
Bethy Em = 19
Becky Bain = 18.5
Wendy = 18.5
Mel = 18
Irene = 17
Kathy = 17
Jessi = 13.5
Alexis = 9
Most scores would have been higher except that people forgot to explain why
the sentence was wrong.  You didn't have to use the jargon, just clarify in
your own words why it was wrong.  I apologize for all my errors. Next time
I'll try to be more accurate.  Jude
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>Wendy asked if we sing the national anthem everyday in school.  It depends
>on what kind of  thing is done to begin the school day.  Almost everyone
>says the pledge of allegiance.  When I was first on the local school board,
>we dropped the requirement for saying it because it had just become a
>meaningless repetition to the kids.  It was to be replaced by  patriotic
>readings, quotes, songs etc broadcast over the intercom system.  Our action
>so enraged the state legislature that they passed a law requiring that the
>pledge be said every day in every school.
>
>Singing the national anthem is, indeed, another kettle of fish. (ghoti?)
>It's played a lot by bands  and over p.a. systems, but hardly anybody
>actually sings it all the way through because the vocal range is so
>impossible.  BTW, it actually only became the official national anthem in
>the 1930's.  Every once in a while there is a movement to change to a more
>singable anthem, usually to 'America, the Beautiful' which is an original
>American song.  Since the tune to 'America' is the same as 'God Save the
>Queen', it would hardly be an appropriate choice.  The idea of changing our
>anthem has never gone very far.  We dodged a bullet by rejecting Ben
>Franklin's suggestion that the turkey should be the official American bird,
>but we seem to be stuck with that turkey of an unsingable national anthem.
>Jude

I just thought I would add something in here. It has nothing to do with
anything except that it is a national anthem. I was told by my music
teacher that people from other countries (I don't know which countries)
think the first two lines of the Australian national anthem are:
Australians all have ostriches
Four minus one is three.

I think that is hilarious!!!!
~Larissa~
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In a message dated 10/5/00 1:21:27 AM EST, judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET
writes:

<< Dean, the Princeton grad, >>

Yes, but you've got to remember that Dean only read what was on the paper!
You'd have to blame the writers of the show for this one...If Dean wrote the
ep...well then that's a different story. ;)

Alexis ;-.)

"It's physically demanding because you have to tense your whole body and I
get this headache after filming." -Dean Cain talking about *flying* :(
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Jude,
thanks for the info on the books....looks like I have to go visit amazon.com
<g>.
Kate
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Coming back to The Patriot; after Kate declared it reasonably historically
accurate and Kathy disagreed, I did some research to find out why it was
mostly panned in the UK from the point of view of accuracy - actually, from
what I've heard it's considered pretty offensive over here, but then that's
par for the course. The same thing happens any time someone makes a film
about Northern Ireland, or about Ireland pre-1922 (such as Michael Collins).
As Carol reminded us, much of history is subjective. But at the same time,
there are plenty of facts which are verifiable and accepted by both sides,
and I do think filmmakers have an obligation not to distort history too much
in their re-telling.

 Carol wrote:
> Re The Patriot:  The New York Times (or was it the New Yorker?) trashed it
> from the perspective of historical accuracy  -- but any movie with Mel
Gibson
> in it can't be all bad.

Well... I'm not a huge fan of Gibson, and you might not want to mention
Braveheart! Over here, especially in Scotland, the film was a
laughing-stock.

Anyway, what *is* wrong with The Patriot? Yes, of course the Brits are going
to disagree with the Americans over the story of the Revolution, but
criticisms of The Patriot have come from all sides. One review comments:

"Gibson is a plantation farmer who picks up the musket after seeing his
family terrorised and his home burned by marauding dragoons. His chief
nemesis is sneering cavalry commander Colonel Tavington (Jason Isaacs), who
orchestrates one atrocity after another, until restrained by British C-in-C
Lord Cornwallis (Tom Wilkinson). Historians - who, unlike film-makers or,
indeed, critics, are sticklers for facts - are unanimous in asserting that
such activities were entirely unknown; basically, this is a historical film
that is way off-beam." This is from the (British) Guardian newspaper; you'll
find the full review at
http://www.filmunlimited.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_review/0,42
67,343049,00.html

A further commentary, also on the Guardian's website, is at
http://www.filmunlimited.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_review/0,42
67,343138,00.html

The US critic Carol refers to is, I think, Jonathan Foreman of the New York
Post; his review is extremely interesting. He refers to "the peculiar way it
revises the history of the American Revolution. The fact that the Revolution
was fought for a political ideal rather than blood and soil seems to have
passed by both Emmerich and screenwriter Robert Rodat. The "patriot" of the
title goes to war because insanely malevolent and brutal bad guys in red
coats have attacked his family and his farm." See the full article at
http://www.newyorkpost.com/movies/6881.htm

And finally, there has been a lot of criticism of the almost complete
absence of black people and the fact of slavery at the time of the
Revolution. This article, again from the Guardian's website, reports Spike
Lee's fury at the film's near-pretence that slavery didn't exist.
http://www.filmunlimited.co.uk/News_Story/Guardian/0,4029,341126,00.html

As for Saving Private Ryan, Kate, it may well be a thought-provoking film.
But in what version of history did the Americans lead the D-Day landings?!

> West Wing tonight!! -- way OT  <g>

Lucky you! I still don't know when we'll get season 2 over here; Sky won't
say whether it'll be shown or not, and Channel 4 is only starting season 1
in the new year. No spoilers, please!!!

Wendy  :)

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Wendy,
You make some very good points, and I would love to take up the debate, with
sources and quotes,  but RL is interfering.....suffice it to say that I
thoroughly enjoyed the movie, while noting that  I had never heard of any
British officer rounding up civilians and burning them alive in a church.
But I do know that Tarleton (the real officer who the movie character is
based on) had a reputation for brutality.  And I do know that many people
fight in wars on their own soil, simply to protect and defend home and
family, and not for any lofty political reasons.  And I do know that the
slavery issue was brought up in the movie.....did you say if you had
actually
seen it?  It was not the best movie ever made, and not completely
historically accurate, (what movie ever is?) but again, it did pay tribute
to
people who had died for our country, and in that way, sends the same
important message that Private Ryan did....to earn what they did for us.

Is the perception on your side that Private Ryan showed the Americans
landing
first on D-Day?  I will have to rewatch (if I can handle that opening scene
again), but I didn't think that was the point.  I thought it just followed
what happened to Tom Hanks regiment as it landed.

I would be interested to know why Braveheart is a laughing-stock.

Kate
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> I would be interested to know why Braveheart is a laughing-stock.
>

Well, it depends on how you view the movie. It was an extremely popular film
over here - even, surprisingly enough, in England, where audiences lapped it
up, reportedly going so far as to give Wallace a standing ovation at the end
of the screening. <g>. But that was more because it was a rollicking good
action movie with a hero you could root for, co-incidentally played by a
reasonably popular actor of the day and, as others have noted, a message
that was overwhelmingly positive. So popular a summer hit in fact that in a
fit of embarrassing jingoism, the Scottish National Party tried to adopt it
as a rallying cry for independence. And although I thoroughly enjoyed the
movie myself as a kind of entertainment fantasy rather than a historical
document, I can still regret that its popularity ensured that we somehow
ended up with a statue of William Wallace at one of our historical sites of
national heritage which bears a striking resemblance to Mel Gibson in the
movie, rather than our loveable freedom fighter. ;)

In the historical sense however, which is what Wendy undoubtedly meant in
her post, so forgive my wandering off the subject there, the historical
inaccuracies in Braveheart are legion. Even if you discount the minor
discrepencies, such as the fact that Wallace was a strapping lad (6 ft, 7
inches) and...um...Mel...well, isn't...that still leaves a vast chunk of
hokum to wade through. Too many to list here. Any search for William
Wallace, Robert Bruce or Braveheart, will bring up dozens of websites that
do a much better job of debunking than I could here, for anyone who is
interested in separating Hollywood hype from historical fact.

Private Ryan, I, personally, had no problems with. I know that it got a lot
of flak for concentrating on the American viewpoint and it is perhaps a pity
that the story wasn't told from the viewpoint of the Irish, given that the
real life incident it was based on was the story of three Irish soldiers
from one family, but <shrugs>. I viewed the movie as being from one
perspective. In the same way that many war movies deal with the British
perspective or, no doubt, the German, French and other perspectives too. I
didn't think that it deliberately set out to say that only Americans were on
the beaches of Normandy that day. It simply focused on the Americans who
were. Even though they were Irish. <G> Um...there were Americans there that
day, weren't there? (WWII history isn't my strongpoint).

I do wonder, I have to admit, about Hollywood's propensity for seeming to
believe that its fellow citizens will be incapable of recognising heroism,
loyalty, courage and honour, if it isn't coated in a gloss of American
nationalism. I think in doing so, they do a disservice to the American
public, who I am pretty sure aren't as shallow and self-absorbed as
Hollywood likes to think. Certainly, I've seen few evidence of that among
the American friends I've made over the years in various fandoms.

I think the example of Hollywood distortion which most disturbed me,
however, was in Titanic. Where a hero who saved many lives that fateful
evening (William McMaster Murdoch) was protrayed as a coward who shot
himself in a fit of guilt after taking bribes from wealthy passengers. This
from a man known for his cool head and professionalism, who had committed
acts of bravery in the past, saving at least one ship he was on from
sinking.  The outcry over that one lead to James Cameron making a hasty trip
to Scotland to hand over a donation to the William McMaster Murdoch Memorial
Fund, although he refused to add a disclaimer correcting the slur on the
man's memory to future prints of the movie. Murdoch's descendants are still
bitter about the fact that his life will now be seen worldwide in the terms
of James Cameron's distortion, rather than in reality, and who can really
blame them? Hero to coward in one easy step and one director's lazy
storytelling.

LabRat :)
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Thanks to Laurie for answering the steel wool question and to Erin, who
wrote:

> > Since I've written stories where I dealt with this Dr. Klein thing
before,
> I> > have done some research on it.  It was 'Don't Tug on Superman's Cape'
when
> our> > beloved Bernie first appeared.  [snip]  But this whole excerpt
tells me that Clark (as Supes) has > > known Dr. Klein for a while, even if
Lois didn't, since obviously he'd
> been > > working with the scientist for a while to develop the vaccine, or
> radiation > > therapy treatment.  And from watching the scene, it seems
they known each
> > other well and are friendly since they seemed to be comfortable with
each
> > other and had a trust and rapport thing going.  Hope this helps, Labbie!
> ;)
> >
Yes, thanks, Erin. Someone else pointed this out too. I still might have to
change my mind on having Bernie present during the time of ASU, as someone
pointed out that STAR Labs was originally owned by Lex, a fact which I
didn't recall. But, I'm working on it. It's only a minor point - a throwaway
line - so whatever the outcome is, it won't be a big deal in the sense of
messing up my plot. <G>

Thanks to everyone who helped, here on the list and privately by email. :)

LabRat :)
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Jude, you said:

6.  "I discovered your identity. If some enterprising journalist chose to
investigate, so could they."

INCORRECT.  As a pronoun, the plural THEY must refer to a plural antecedent,
but JOURNALIST is singular. The simplest way is to make journalist
plural-JOURNALISTS.  If it were not being spoken, you could leave journalist
alone and write S/HE instead of 'they'  In my story, because it was said in
a menacingly meaningful way, I wrote it, "so could he...or she."  = 2 points
if you corrected and explained.

So if I'm not writing, but saying this line, and I don't want to refer to
more than one journalist choosing to investigate, what *should* I say -
without always having to use the somewhat clunky 'he or she'?

Also, is 's/he' really grammatically correct; an accepted part of the
written English language?

Yvonne
(yconnell@ukf.net)
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>I'm assuming that since no one has mentioned this previously, it's a
problem
>that only I am having.  Still I thought I'd mention it in case anyone has
had
>similar problems or knows why I'm having the problem I'm having.
>
>Since September  I've experienced an annoying problem with archive
downloads
>which precludes my being able to read the stories posted there.  Except for
>three stories (Trouble About Chats & Sobs, When Lightning Strikes Twice,
and
>Psychic part IV) all the stories download as one large mass of type, with
no
>paragraph breaks or any quotation breaks.  Also I can't tell if the entire
>story downloaded because the last line or two that shows on the screen is
>overwritten, so I have no way to know if that is the end.  I suspect that
not
>all of the story is downloading.   This phenomena occurs both in the
'What's
>New' section and in the story accessed by going to the author.   This is a
>major irritation because it means I don't have a readable access to stories
>that weren't posted first to Zoom's board.
>
>I'm curious as to whether there has been a change in the way that stories
are
>being uploaded to the archives now.  There have been no changes to my
>computer.  I still have the same service I've always had (aol), and have
>never had a problem in the past, nor do any stories uploaded prior to
>september seem affected.  Also, the three stories mentioned above aren't
>affected.
>
>Just wondering ...
>Tank

Nice to know there is no problem with Psychic IV:)

Carolyn
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LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU writes:
>
>8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."
>
>INCORRECT.  The subject is the plural BOMBS and it requires a plural verb.
>THERE ARE BOMBS.  And yes I blew this one.  This was supposed to be a
>quote
>from the series (WIEAK), and I could have sworn that Lois said 'bursting',
>but I checked it out and she says 'exploding'.  Potentially worth 3 points
>if you corrected, explained and identified it as being from the series.

Actually, it's still wrong.  "Like" can be a preposition but it isn't be a
subordinate conjunction and "there are bombs bursting everywhere" is a
subordinate clause in the above sentence.  Therefore, it should read:

It's not as if there are bombs bursting everywhere.

Gerry
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In a message dated 10/05/2000 8:32:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
labrat@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes:

<< as someone
 pointed out that STAR Labs was originally owned by Lex, a fact which I
 didn't recall. >>

Huh? Where did it ever say that? I remember references to LexLabs...

--Laurie
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Right you are, Gerry.  That's a mistake I'm usually very conscious of, but I
totally missed it.  Well done!  Jude
----- Original Message -----
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> LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU writes:
> >
> >8.  "It's not like there's bombs bursting everywhere."
> >
> >INCORRECT.  The subject is the plural BOMBS and it requires a plural
verb.
> >THERE ARE BOMBS.  And yes I blew this one.  This was supposed to be a
> >quote
> >from the series (WIEAK), and I could have sworn that Lois said
'bursting',
> >but I checked it out and she says 'exploding'.  Potentially worth 3
points
> >if you corrected, explained and identified it as being from the series.
>
> Actually, it's still wrong.  "Like" can be a preposition but it isn't be a
> subordinate conjunction and "there are bombs bursting everywhere" is a
> subordinate clause in the above sentence.  Therefore, it should read:
>
> It's not as if there are bombs bursting everywhere.
>
>
> Gerry
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Yvonne asked:  > So if I'm not writing, but saying this line, and I don't
want to refer to
> more than one journalist choosing to investigate, what *should* I say -
> without always having to use the somewhat clunky 'he or she'?
>
> Also, is 's/he' really grammatically correct; an accepted part of the
> written English language?

It would be grammatically correct to say 'he', as long as you're not
offended by sexist references and don't care about being p.c.  When I find
I've pushed myself in such a corner, I say the "clunky he or she" which,
BTW, doesn't seem clunky to me.   Our language is, of course,  in constant
change and I wouldn't be surprised if one day the use of 'they' in that
situation would be acceptable even in the grammar books.  I think it's
approaching idiomatic acceptability now.

'S/h'e has been acceptable for years in governmental, educational and
business circles--the areas that I've been involved in writing for.  I can't
speak for anything outside the U.S., though.  :) Jude
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Well, I'm not a Mel Gibson fan, so I haven't seen Braveheart or The Patriot.
I am a history buff, but I long ago learned that Hollywood does not produce
movies of historical accuracy.  It produces movies full of smashing action
and American jingoism because those things guarantee huge ticket sales.

Wendy asked:

> But in what version of history did the Americans lead the D-Day landings?!

-----I believe that's the version that said Dwight Eisenhower was the CinC
of that operation. <g>  Seriously, Wendy, not all of us think that Americans
won the  big dubya dubya 2 single-handedly.  Sometimes we'll even admit that
the U.K. contributed a bit.  :)  Jude
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Kate:  Good luck with Amazon.com.  Those books are so old that they're
probably out of print now.  If all else fails, try your local library.  Jude
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> Jude,
> thanks for the info on the books....looks like I have to go visit
amazon.com
> <g>.
> Kate
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Yes, but I also give Dean credit for being a thinking person.  If he knew it
was wrong, he should have changed it.  It's not as though the words were
key to the  plotline and had to be repeated exactly as written.  Jude
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> In a message dated 10/5/00 1:21:27 AM EST, judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET
writes:
>
> << Dean, the Princeton grad, >>
>
> Yes, but you've got to remember that Dean only read what was on the paper!
> You'd have to blame the writers of the show for this one...If Dean wrote
the
> ep...well then that's a different story. ;)
>
> Alexis ;-.)
>
> "It's physically demanding because you have to tense your whole body and I
> get this headache after filming." -Dean Cain talking about *flying* :(
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In a message dated 10/5/00 2:37:57 PM EST, judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET
writes:

<< Yes, but I also give Dean credit for being a thinking person.  If he knew
it
 was wrong, he should have changed it.  It's not as though the words were
 key to the  plotline and had to be repeated exactly as written.  Jude
 ----- Original Message ----- >>

True...you do have a point.  Then again, Dean worked 18 hours a day and he
was super tired...i think the last thing on his mind was grammar.  Plus,
having things like this (even though it's highly annoying) is a lot like
real
life.  A lot of people don't talk grammatically correct 24/7.  Heck some
people don't at all.  In a way this just reflected human society...as
unfortunate as it may sound.

Alexis ;-.)

"It's physically demanding because you have to tense your whole body and I
get this headache after filming." -Dean Cain talking about *flying* :(
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In a message dated 10/4/00 2:58:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< Maybe it's not quite as blatant as Hollywood's
 other rewriting of history this year (a WW2 film in which the US broke the
 Enigma code!!), >>

Which movie was that?  I would imagine that "Intrepid" would be surprised to
know that the US broke that code.

Ann
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In a message dated 10/4/00 3:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
melisma@INTERGATE.CA writes:

<< In fact, the Cajuns
 of Louisiana are said to be descendants of people from Acadia, a
 francophone region of the Atlantic provinces - mainly New Brunswick, if my
 Eastern Canadian geography is any good.. >>

Actually, the Cajuns of Louisiana *are* the descendants of the Acadians who
were forced to leave Canada by the British after the French and Indian War (
7 Years War, I believe  to those across the pond ) when they refused to
swear
allegiance to the king of England.  My understanding is that Acadia is what
is now Nova Scotia, not New Brunswick, although it's highly likely that
Acadia comprise all or most of the Maritime Provinces.

Ann
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At 08:26 pm 5/10/00, Wendy Richards wrote:

> > West Wing tonight!! -- way OT  <g>
>
>Lucky you! I still don't know when we'll get season 2 over here; Sky won't

What about us?  We haven't even had season 1 here yet!

Jen

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At 06:00 am 6/10/00, Ann E. McBride wrote:
>In a message dated 10/4/00 2:58:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:
>
><< Maybe it's not quite as blatant as Hollywood's
>  other rewriting of history this year (a WW2 film in which the US broke
the
>  Enigma code!!), >>
>
>Which movie was that?  I would imagine that "Intrepid" would be surprised
to
>know that the US broke that code.
>
>Ann

I'm guessing the reference is to "U-571" which showed on the last plane
trip I took.
Jen

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I *think* this was intended for the list. So I'm fwding it for Kate.

> In a message dated 10/5/00 5:20:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> labrat@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes:
>
> <<  given that the
>  real life incident it was based on was the story of three Irish soldiers
>  from one family, but <shrugs>.  >>
>
> LOL Labrat, this is a classic case of cross-culture views....here we
thought
> in the States that it was based several different American families who
had
> lost 3 or 4 sons, one of them a Mormon family in Utah.  And wasn't there a
> set of 4 (US) brothers that all went down on the same ship?  I also have
to
> tell you that the famous letter written by A. Lincoln to Mrs Bixby as read
in
> the movie by Lois' dad, is based on a falsehood also.  Mrs Bixby did have
two
> sons (not four) that died, but one actually deserted and the other just
got
> sick.
> Oh, and yes, the Americans were heavily involved with the allied forces on
> D-Day, with Eishenhower as sumpreme commander.
>
> Thanks for the info on William Murdoch.  I always thought Mr Cameron was a
> scuzbag, and you just confirmed my opinion.  That really is a travesty
that
> should have been corrected.  Of course, I thought Titanic was pretty lame
> anyway.
>
> I do have to tell you that in our family, we highly revere movies from the
> British Isles and have quite the collection.  They often have a beautiful
> dignity that American movies can't quite achieve. And there are always
those
> lovely tv shows....Absolutely Fabulous comes to mind (which I abhor, but
my
> husband adores).
>
> Kate
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Kate wrote:

> > LOL Labrat, this is a classic case of cross-culture views....

[I think over here we call those cross-culture views facts. <g>]

here we thought in the States that it was based several different American
families who had lost 3 or 4 sons, one of them a Mormon family in Utah.  And
wasn't there a set of 4 (US) brothers that all went down on the same ship?

[No idea. As I say, WWII history isn't something I've devoted any attention
to. My only reference source on this one is a documentary I watched around
the time SPR was released in which the Irish family in question was
interviewed. If there's some doubt as to the veracity of their claim to have
spent months with Spielberg delving into the family history to form the
backbone of the plot, you'll have to take it up with them, not me, I'm
afraid. I know little more than that. I would hypothesise that, as with most
Hollywood movies, there's a little bit of everything in there. But it
certainly seems that the core of the tale was based on our Irish family.]

Oh, and yes, the Americans were heavily involved with the allied forces on
D-Day, with Eishenhower as sumpreme commander.

[Yes, I'm aware of that. What I wasn't certain of was whether they were
there on that particular day or arrived later. Sorry if I confused you there
in my previous post.]
> >
> > Thanks for the info on William Murdoch.  I always thought Mr Cameron was
a
> > scuzbag, and you just confirmed my opinion.  That really is a travesty
> that should have been corrected.  Of course, I thought Titanic was pretty
lame
> > anyway.
> >
[Well, we really shouldn't single out Mr. Cameron here. He seems to be in
good company. <G> Hollywood's mismanagement of history goes back a long way.
I seem to remember some outcry about David O. Selzick hiring an English
actress to play a certain Civil War heroine. ;)]

LabRat :)
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In a message dated 10/5/00 2:31:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
labrat@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK writes:

<< David O. Selzick hiring an English
 actress to play a certain Civil War heroine. ;) >>

And wasn't he the one that rewrote the story of Moses too? <g>  At least
Spielberg got a bit closer to the Old Testament with his animated movie than
did old Hollywood with C. Heston and Mrs. Munster.

Kate
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Okay, all you season one experts.  I know I could
probably just do a few hours research at the VCR,
but it's infinately easier to ask the FOLCs who
seem to know this kind of thing off the top of
their heads.  So, when was the last time we saw
Lucy Lane living in Lois' apartment?

Thanks in advance,

James

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In a message dated 10/5/00 5:11:04 PM EST, mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM writes:

<< So, when was the last time we saw
 Lucy Lane living in Lois' apartment? >>

In the ep titled, Neverending Battle...isn't that right?  I know she wasn't
living in Lois' apt for too long.

Alexis ;-.)

"Well, one thing's for sure, nobody's gonna be looking at your face."
(Martha)
"Mom!"  (Clark)
"Well, they don't call'em tights for nothing."  (Martha)
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:28:25 -0600, Debby <huitziln@CAIS.NET> wrote:

>>>I thought Clark was too perky at first, but then during season 2's
beginning he *was* a little odd. There's no reason, I tell myself, that CK
has to be quiet, retiring and observant with a twinkle in his eye all the
time.<<<

Debby, while I agree with you that 'The One That Got Away' is a great
story, I couldn't help beginning to wonder, reading the above comment,
whether we'd watched the same programme! Clark was rarely, if ever, quiet
and retiring - he has an irrepressible sense of humour which helped him
deal with Lois, especially in the days when she made it clear that she
regarded him as 'low-man'. He teased her, fought back and generally made it
clear that she wasn't going to put him down or make him play second fiddle.

In second season, their relationship had altered - they were much more
equal partners than they'd been in season one, so the power balance had
shifted. But he was still bouncy and good-humoured most of the time - we
all know that this behaviour was his 'cover' for his real feelings where
Lois was concerned, of course.

I think 'retiring' and 'quiet' are two adjectives I'd rarely use to
describe Clark... at least, as played by Dean Cain! <g>

Wendy

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No, it was after NB - in Strange Visitor. Lucy was there when Lois came
home after Trask's visit to the Planet and told Lucy not to say she'd seen
her. Then Jimmy came around looking for Lois and asked Lucy out.

Then, in the next ep (I'm Looking Through You), Lois was suddenly on her
own in the apartment, with no explanation of where Lucy had gone.

Wendy
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Kate asked:
> And wasn't he the one that rewrote the story of Moses too? <g>  At least
> Spielberg got a bit closer to the Old Testament with his animated movie
than
> did old Hollywood with C. Heston and Mrs. Munster.

No, I think it was Cecil B. DeMille, father of the biblical epic <g>, who's
responsible for that bit of creativity.  His films weren't all that faithful
to the original source, but they sure were fun to watch!  The lavish
costumes and sets, and the "cast of thousands" were worth the price of
admission, but accuracy was secondary to telling a good story and to
overemphasizing it's most sensational points.

In Old Hollywood, Selznick was known to be a stickler for historical
accuracy (all things being relative ;)  He actually did research before
making a film, to get the fashions, dialog, setting, etc. as close to the
original as humanly possible.  What he could possibly have been thinking of
when he cast Vivien Leigh, I have no idea.  Maybe he was influenced by the
fact that his brother, Myron, was her agent ;)

Pat

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"It's not like there are bombs bursting everywhere."

Gerry said:
>>Actually, it's still wrong.  "Like" can be a preposition but it isn't be a
>>subordinate conjunction and "there are bombs bursting everywhere" is a
>>subordinate clause in the above sentence.  Therefore, it should read:
>
>It's not as if there are bombs bursting everywhere.<<

I disagreed, so I went to my friend Noah.  He says (from _Webster's New
Collegiate Dictionary_, 1981 edition),

"7 like conj  1: in the same way that: AS <they raven down scenery ~
children do sweetmeats --John Keats>  2: as if <middle-aged men who loked ~
they might be out for their one night of the year --Norman Mailer>"

But I do agree that "as if" is more elegant than "like" for this use.

-Dia
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Oh yeah!  That's for jogging my memory. =)

Alexis ;-.)

"Well, one thing's for sure, nobody's gonna be looking at your face."
(Martha)
"Mom!"  (Clark)
"Well, they don't call'em tights for nothing."  (Martha)
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In a message dated 10/5/00 10:16:57 PM EST, LoisLane9397@AOL.COM writes:

<< That's for jogging my memory. =)
  >>

That should have read thanks...not that's!  I'm a bit tired tonigh! ;p

Alexis ;-.)

"Well, one thing's for sure, nobody's gonna be looking at your face."
(Martha)
"Mom!"  (Clark)
"Well, they don't call'em tights for nothing."  (Martha)
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In a message dated 10/5/00 10:23:46 PM EST, LoisLane9397@AOL.COM writes:

<< tonigh! ;p >>

That's tonight!!! Sheesh...my darn Lois perfectionist complex keeps getting
the best of me! LOL!

Alexis ;-.)

"It's physically demanding because you have to tense your whole body and I
get this headache after filming." -Dean Cain talking about *flying* :(
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Hey, y'all.  We're leaving in a few hours to fly to NY and then drive up to
Connecticut to visit our daughter and on to Vermont and New Hampshire to
enjoy the fall foliage.  Will be gone for about 10 days so won't be online
to express my thanks to all you terrific beta readers on Friday, Oct. 13.
(Hey, that's my ?? birthday and I was born on a Friday too)

Our beta readers do a fantastic job for us, keeping us honest with our plots
and correct with our grammar.  I want to wish all of you  the greatest
appreciation day possible--one with chocolate decadence cake and 'nilla ice
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At 02:18 pm 6/10/00, Judith Williams wrote:
>Hey, y'all.  We're leaving in a few hours to fly to NY and then drive up to
>Connecticut to visit our daughter and on to Vermont and New Hampshire to
>enjoy the fall foliage.  Will be gone for about 10 days so won't be online
>to express my thanks to all you terrific beta readers on Friday, Oct. 13.
>(Hey, that's my ?? birthday and I was born on a Friday too)

What she said.  I know you're not my age exactly, cos I was born on a
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This is the forty-third installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day in the
Life of Metropolis."

Go to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aditlom

Public and private feedback welcomed! =3D)

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cast List:

Sam Falcon: Sam F.
Bruce Wayne: Sam F.
Lois Lane: Alexis W.

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WEEK #44
(8/14 TO 8/20)

Wayne Enterprises

The car pulled up to the business complex and Lois and Bruce got out.=20
Lois followed him up to the front door.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Seattle

"Hate is such a strong word."
"When someone who's supposed to be there for you never is, when you're=20
scared to go to them for help when you need it, that's reason enough to=20
hate him. I should have been able to tell him about . . ." she said,=20
almost in tears. She didn=E2=80=99t finish. "I didn't come here to argue.
I=20=
get=20
enough of that from The Boys. How do you feel?"
"How do you think?"
"Lousy. So what do the doctors say?"
"Not much. I suspect they've been telling the others more than they're=20
telling me."
"I haven't really had a chance to talk to Tom or Gary."
"You should."
"I will. I'll probably see Gary on my way out to Lime Kiln*."
"You still go there?"
"Whenever I get a chance. Don't come home very much."
"I don't blame you."
"You don't?"
"I was there, remember."
"No, actually I don't really."
"I don't understand that."
"I don't want to remember, it was hell. What I do remember hurts too=20
much. Sometimes I get flashes and that can be even scarier."
"You spent too much time blaming us for all of your problems."
"Don't start that cr*p again. I had problems, but so did you two. I've=20
learned to deal with them. Wonder if he's learned to deal with his. If=20
he had, he'd be sitting here right now and would refuse to leave."
"You've made your point . . .how long are you going to be here?"
"However long I need to be."
>tbc<=20
=20

* * * *
Re: Wayne Enterprises

"I'm sorry the lunch was cut short, Lois, but we can talk later if you=20
still have questions for me. Alfred will take you back to the manor."

"Wait! Bruce! Before you go, I have something I need to say-I think I=20
lo..."=20
"Yes?" he asked.
"I think I...I..."
Lois lost track of her thoughts as Bruce ran his hand down her cheek.
>tbc<

Look for Week #45 coming to a PC near you!

Enjoy!

Alexis ;-.)
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Go to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aditlom

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Cast List:

Lois Lane:  Alexis W.
Clark Kent: Alexis W.
Bruce Wayne: Sam F.
Sam Falcon: Sam F.

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WEEK #45
(9/4 TO 9/10)

Re: Wayne Enterprises

The pair moved closer and their lips touched.
"Mmm...Clark..." Lois moaned as Bruce's lips touched hers.

As their lips touched all he could think about was making Sam forget
Clark. "Mmm... Sam," he moaned as they kissed.

The kiss lingered a bit longer, until the pair broke away.
"Oh..." Lois said as she opened her eyes and saw it was Bruce and not
Clark.

As they pulled away, Bruce opened his eyes and saw it wasn't Sam.
"Uh..."
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Seattle

"That's considerate of you."
"That's not why I'm doing it. I do care."
"You do?"
"I came. I'm here, you're the first person I came to see when I got into
town."
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Wayne Enterprises

"Um...I'm sorry," Lois apologized as she ran her hand through her hair.
"I don't know what happened. It won't happen again Miss Lane," Bruce
said as he stepped back.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Seattle

"Why?"
"You're the reason I'm here. I didn't . . .."
"Didn't what?"
"Nothing."
A nurse walked into the room. "Visiting hours are over, Miss. Please
come back tomorrow."
"Bye, I will be back tomorrow. I'm not sure when."
"I understand. See you tomorrow."
Sam walked out of the room and headed out front.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Wayne Enterprises

He was so embarassed with the kiss that Bruce started going into Wayne
Enterprises, without saying a word. Lois was trying to follow him when
Clark showed out of no where and stood in her way!
"Ah, ah, ah...I don't think so," Clark said as he playfully shook his
finger at her.
"Damn it, Clark! You scared me!" Lois exclaimed.
"Sorry."
>tbc<
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Re: Wayne Enterprises

After Bruce got into the building, he started to head to his office.
Before he got there, Luscious Fox walked up to him.
"Bruce, can I talk to you for a minute?"
"Right now I have something I need to take care of."
"It's important."
"I would . . ." he said as he looked at Fox. "How long will it take?"
"Not long."
"All right."
Bruce followed Fox to his office.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Seattle

She stood there for several minutes, not sure what to do next.
"I wish Bruce were here," she whispered.
After sighing, she looked up. A man was getting out of a cab. She
quickly made her way over and after he had all his stuff out of the cab,
leaned in and asked, "Do you have another fare?"
"No."
She climbed in and asked him to take her back to the hotel.
>tbc<

Look for Week #46 coming to a PC near you! =)

Enjoy!

Alexis ;-.)
{"ADITLOM" arbitrator}

"Well, one thing's for sure, nobody's gonna be looking at your face."
(Martha)
"Mom!"  (Clark)
"Well, they don't call'em tights for nothing."  (Martha)
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Go to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/aditlom

Public and private feedback welcomed! =)

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Cast List:

Lois Lane:  Alexis W.
Clark Kent: Alexis W.
Sam Falcon: Sam F.

* * * *
WEEK #46
(9/11 TO 9/17)

Re: Seattle

After getting back to her room, she pulled out her cell.
"The coast is clear."
"What?"
"You can let him go to the airport . . .if we were planning on it."
"He wasn't, as far as I know. So how did it go?"
"All right, considering."
"I bet. Let me know what you're doing tomorrow."
"I will. We've got to get together while I'm here."
"Gary too."
"Which one of you is taller?"
"I am."
"So he'd be shorty."
"I wouldn't call him that. He's not as skinny as he use to be."
"Good. See you then." She ended the call and closed the phone, then laid
back down on the bed.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Wayne Enterprises

"Excuse me, Kent! But I'm on a date here so if you would kindly move."
"What date? Your date ended a few minutes ago."
"And how the hell would you know that?"
"I, uh...um...I got here right before he left. I could tell by his body
language that it was over."
"And another thing..." Lois rambled on, "how did you know Bruce and I
were here?"
"Alfred told me."
"Well I don't care what you think Clark, I'm following Bruce! Somethings
going on here and I want to get to the bottom of it!"

Lois walked through the revolving doors, while Clark followed.
"And where exactly are you going?" he asked quizzically.
"I'm going to Bruce's office!" Lois stated proudly.
"I'm not sure if that's such a good idea..."
>tbc<

* * * *

Look for Week #47 coming to a PC near you! =)

Enjoy!

Alexis ;-.)
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(Martha)
"Mom!"  (Clark)
"Well, they don't call'em tights for nothing."  (Martha)
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From:         "Marilyn L. Puett" <no1supermom@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Speaking of Lucy...

I always wondered just where Lucy slept when she stayed in Lois's
apartment.  Lois only had one bedroom.  And those sofas were not exactly
conducive to a good night's sleep.  Just curious...
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>I always wondered just where Lucy slept when she stayed in Lois's
>apartment.  Lois only had one bedroom.  And those sofas were not exactly
>conducive to a good night's sleep.  Just curious...<<

+++ Well, Lois *did* have a double bed.  I've shared a double bed with my
sister.  And, once, I shared a double bed with a girl not as close to me as
my sister for 2 months!  On the other hand, we never actually saw all of
Lois's apartment.  Maybe she had a place... Or maybe Lucy just slept on one
of those inflatable mattresses. +++

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Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 2000 13:16:07 -0600
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From:         Erin Klingler <erink@IDA.NET>
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>> I would be interested to know why Braveheart is a laughing-stock.
>>
>
>Well, it depends on how you view the movie. It was an extremely popular
film
>over here - even, surprisingly enough, in England, where audiences lapped
it
>up, reportedly going so far as to give Wallace a standing ovation at the
end
>of the screening. <g>.

I'm not much of a history buff, though I do find history extremely
interesting.  This topic really caught my attention, though.  My mom's a big
geneology buff, and in her extensive research to trace our family lines,
she's
just discovered that our line goes directly back to *the* William Wallace!
Exciting!  So since we're kind of on the 'Braveheart' topic, can you history
buffs point me to some good books about him and his struggles?  Now that
I've
discovered he's in our family line, I'm dying to learn more about him.

Thanks!

Erin  :)
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I always assumed Lois had two bedrooms ... was there ever any evidence
that there was just the one?  God knows why a single woman would rent a
two-bedroom apt, but maybe she was planning on having Lucy stay longer.

Anyway, I hope it was a 2-bdrm, because I just sent a fic to the archive
that had Clark sleeping in Lois's spare room <g>

"Marilyn L. Puett" wrote:
>
> I always wondered just where Lucy slept when she stayed in Lois's
> apartment.  Lois only had one bedroom.  And those sofas were not exactly
> conducive to a good night's sleep.  Just curious...

--

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I will see the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living.
Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart
and wait for the Lord."
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>God knows why a single woman would rent a two-bedroom apt,

Hey, *I'm* a single woman, and *I* have a two-bedroom apartment. In fact
this is my second two-bedroom apartment. Personally if I can afford it, I
prefer having the extra space. When my parents come to visit, or FoLCs come
through town, or whatever, I like having an extra bed for them. When it's
just me, I enjoy having more room for my stuff - I can use the second
bedroom as a library, or an office, or whatever I need it to be. And having
my boxes that I can't bear to be without but which I haven't unpacked in
years, in storage, is just a pain - if they are stacked in my second
bedroom, at least I *might* go though them eventually :)

Melisma (under her rock, knowing she's not being errudite this morning, but
hoping she's made a case for one person having an extra bedroom anyway...)

Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html
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> Melisma (under her rock, knowing she's not being errudite this morning,
but
> hoping she's made a case for one person having an extra bedroom anyway...)

Works for me, Mel! :)  Actually, come to think of it, my husband and I
always liked to rent *three*-bedroom townhouses, back when we were
childless, so that we could have a bedroom, a spare/junk room, and an
office for our computer :)  It's nice to have the space.

Off to pick up Mikey at school :)
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Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 2000 23:17:43 +0100
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> At 02:18 pm 6/10/00, Judith Williams wrote:
> >Hey, y'all.  We're leaving in a few hours to fly to NY and then drive up
to
> >Connecticut to visit our daughter and on to Vermont and New Hampshire to
> >enjoy the fall foliage.  Will be gone for about 10 days so won't be
online
> >to express my thanks to all you terrific beta readers on Friday, Oct. 13.
> >(Hey, that's my ?? birthday and I was born on a Friday too)
>
> What she said.  I know you're not my age exactly, cos I was born on a
> Tuesday October 13 <G>

Well, well!  I wasn't going to mention this, but it's my birthday too!
Don't know what day I was born on, except that it wasn't a Friday.

Yvonne
(13 - unlucky for some, possibly including my parents <g>)
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> It would be grammatically correct to say 'he', as long as you're not
> offended by sexist references and don't care about being p.c.  When I find
> I've pushed myself in such a corner, I say the "clunky he or she" which,
> BTW, doesn't seem clunky to me.   Our language is, of course,  in constant
> change and I wouldn't be surprised if one day the use of 'they' in that
> situation would be acceptable even in the grammar books.  I think it's
> approaching idiomatic acceptability now.

I'd agree, and I'd also agree that language is in constant change, which is
why it's such a fascinating animal.
>
> 'S/h'e has been acceptable for years in governmental, educational and
> business circles--the areas that I've been involved in writing for.  I
can't
> speak for anything outside the U.S., though.  :) Jude

I can see why it would be desirable in official documentation, but I
wouldn't expect to meet it in a work of fiction.

Yvonne
(Yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk)
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> Yes, but I also give Dean credit for being a thinking person.  If he knew
it
> was wrong, he should have changed it.  It's not as though the words were
> key to the  plotline and had to be repeated exactly as written.  Jude

But would Clark have got it right?  Don't forget we're discussing the
character's words, not Dean's.

Yvonne
(Yvonne@yconnell.fsnet.co.uk)
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This has not much to do with L&C, I admit, but lots of us are writers
(and discerning readers) who enjoy playing with language, so I have to
tell you guys about this site:

http://www.word-detective.com/index.html

It's a guy who researches the origins of words and phrases, and explains
them -- informative, and also hilarious in spots :)  I found it through
another list, and just had to share.
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I will see the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living.
Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart
and wait for the Lord."
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In a message dated 10/6/2000 3:42:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Yvonne@YCONNELL.FSNET.CO.UK writes:

<< But would Clark have got it right?  Don't forget we're discussing the
character's words, not Dean's. >>

Good point, Yvonne.  Clark is a writer (and a perfect male), so I suspect he
would use proper grammar....         LaurieD
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> It's a guy who researches the origins of words and phrases, and explains
> them -- informative, and also hilarious in spots :)  I found it through
> another list, and just had to share.
> --
>
Pam, thank you. :) I'm someone who must think half a dozen times a day,
"Wonder where that comes from?" and I've been searching for a site like this
for a time without success. I'll be lost in there for weeks now, wallowing
happily. <G>

LabRat :)
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How fun, Pam!  Thanks for the url.
Kate
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Your the author.  You could have Lois in an 8
bedroom apartment and living with the 7 dwarves,
if you write it that way.

--- Pam Jernigan <jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
> I always assumed Lois had two bedrooms ... was
> there ever any evidence
> that there was just the one?  God knows why a
> single woman would rent a
> two-bedroom apt, but maybe she was planning on
> having Lucy stay longer.
>
> Anyway, I hope it was a 2-bdrm, because I just
> sent a fic to the archive
> that had Clark sleeping in Lois's spare room
> <g>
>
> "Marilyn L. Puett" wrote:
> >
> > I always wondered just where Lucy slept when
> she stayed in Lois's
> > apartment.  Lois only had one bedroom.  And
> those sofas were not exactly
> > conducive to a good night's sleep.  Just
> curious...
>
> --
>
> Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam /
> jernigan@bellsouth.net
> http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
> http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/
>
> "I am still confident of this:
> I will see the goodness of the Lord
> in the land of the living.
> Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart
> and wait for the Lord."
> --Psalm 27:13-14

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Date:         Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:58:24 EDT
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In a message dated 10/6/00 12:00:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, erink@IDA.NET
writes:

<< My mom's a big geneology buff, and in her extensive research to trace our
family lines, she's just discovered that our line goes directly back to
*the*
William Wallace! >>

Erin, that is fascinating.  Especially since my mother's research indicates
that we are related to Wallace too.  The only thing is, he never had any
children, so I don't think anyone goes back "directly" to him.  He's a many
times great uncle or something.

Ann
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Thanks, Wendy & Alexis,

I had pretty much decided I would have Lucy move
put whenever I felt like it, but I thought I
should check the canon all the same.

Elisabeth impersonating James
(our voices sound so much alike on-line) ;)

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Fwding for Irene :)

>
> --- LabRat <labrat@BLUEYONDER.CO.UK> wrote:
> > > It's a guy who researches the origins of words and
> > phrases, and explains
> > > them -- informative, and also hilarious in spots
> > :)  I found it through
> > > another list, and just had to share.
> > > --
> > >
> > Pam, thank you. :) I'm someone who must think half a
> > dozen times a day,
> > "Wonder where that comes from?" and I've been
> > searching for a site like this
> > for a time without success. I'll be lost in there
> > for weeks now, wallowing
> > happily. <G>
> >
> > LabRat :)
>
> Let me add my thanks to Labrat's, Pam.  I love sites
> like this.  I also enjoy bits of useless trivia that
> answer questions about the world around us.
>
> Irene
>
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> Your the author.  You could have Lois in an 8
> bedroom apartment and living with the 7 dwarves,
> if you write it that way.

Well, I suppose I could <g> (I *am* the writer who created Ginny Olsen,
after all) but I'd want to have a very good reason for contradicting
canon (not to mention logic ;) ... otherwise it just looks sloppy.
--

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I will see the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living.
Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart
and wait for the Lord."
--Psalm 27:13-14
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Maybe Lois moved to the third floor to get a smaller apartment when Lucy
moved out.  <G>

Ann
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Hi FoLCs!

Check out http://www.geocities.com/area51/meteor/7378/lnc.html for stories
posted to Zoom's message board through October 6.  Also, note the new format
on the def table that will be appearing with future updates!

New part(s) posted:
DEAR LOIS       SHAYNET
FEAR OF DISCOVERY III:  YVONNE CONNELL
GROWING PAINS:  AERM1 (AKA ANN)
LOST AND FOUND: JEFF BROGDEN
PERSONAL LOYALTIES:     CINDY LEUCH
THE MARTHA CHRONICLES 3:        ATTALANTA (AKA CHRISTY KUBIT)
UNTITLED:       SINGINGDREW (AKA KRISTEN) & ROSE

New stories this week:
FAUX PAS:       WENDY RICHARDS
THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY:          KATHY BROWN
THE TRUTH:      CASSIE JAMIE

Added to the Archive this week:
THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY:          KATHY BROWN

Enjoy!
The Index Crew
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From:         "Alexis W." <LoisLane9397@AOL.COM>
Subject:      OT: Catch 22 egroups list
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Hello everyone!

I've created an egroups list that's designed especially for fans of Catch
22!
 It's especially designed for those of us who live outside of California.
Everyone is welcomed to join and if you would like more info on how to join,
please email me privately at Beatlebird4@aol.com

In case you don't know who Catch 22 is...it's a band from CA that includes
Dean Cain's brother Roger.  I recently went to Vegas where I met them.  I
talked with Roger...every night I was there and he's such a sweety!  ;)

Thanks,
Alexis ;-.)

"When you play Superman for four years, everyone knows you as Superman, so
in
order to change that perception, you have to go away for a while, then
almost
reinvent yourself." - Dean Cain
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Date:         Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:12:56 -0700
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From:         JaT <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Speaking of Lucy...
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But you would have to admit that it would make an
interesting crossover.  [And *no* I am *not*
writting it!]
james
--- Pam Jernigan <jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
> > Your the author.  You could have Lois in an 8
> > bedroom apartment and living with the 7
> dwarves,
> > if you write it that way.
>
> Well, I suppose I could <g> (I *am* the writer
> who created Ginny Olsen,
> after all) but I'd want to have a very good
> reason for contradicting
> canon (not to mention logic ;) ... otherwise it
> just looks sloppy.
> --
>
> Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam /
> jernigan@bellsouth.net
> http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
> http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/
>
> "I am still confident of this:
> I will see the goodness of the Lord
> in the land of the living.
> Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart
> and wait for the Lord."
> --Psalm 27:13-14

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Phillipe: And what is your quest?
Etienne Navarre: I must kill a man.
Phillipe: Tell me--does this walking corpse have a name?
-LadyHawke (1985) Smashing good movie.

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WIP for Elisabeth: Story of a Lifetime-TOC
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Date:         Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:32:15 EDT
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From:         "Alexis W." <LoisLane9397@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: OT: Catch 22 egroups list
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I forgot to mention that Scotty is a member of my egroups list, so if you
have any questions for the drummer of this band, this is also another good
reason to join! <G>

Thanks,
Alexis ;-.)

"When you play Superman for four years, everyone knows you as Superman, so
in
order to change that perception, you have to go away for a while, then
almost
reinvent yourself." - Dean Cain