kaethel@club-internet.fr ------=_NextPart_000_04CE_01C01501.612C07C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:50:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: OT:Attachments? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_967924255==_" --=====================_967924255==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know I set the configuration files to not allow attachments to the list. I just checked it :). So now, I am doing something none of you should try at home. I am a professional attachment-death-defying daredevel. I am sooo sorry if any of you guys have any problems on your end. I am sending a very small attachment text file. No viruses or nothing. The attachment is merely a one liner: "attachments should no be allowed on the list". --=====================_967924255==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="att.txt" attachments should no be allowed on the list --=====================_967924255==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --- Farah Meitzen Chisham, horn US Navy Band, Washington DC --=====================_967924255==_-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:00:41 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Question for a fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C014FF.53664080" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C014FF.53664080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Helene wrote: I need your help on something. Do you remember if Clark has seen Nigel = St John during the first season? If he has, was it just a short glimpse, = or did he have something of a conversation with the man? Was he aware = that St John was working for Lex Luthor? And did he know his name? Yes, definitely. St. John is present when Clark and Lois go to = interview Luthor at his penthouse in...um, darn this memory. The episode = where Luthor is shooting clay pigeons when they arrive and there's a = little bit of byplay between Luthor and Lois which irritates Clark. Is = that in MoST? Anyway, that one. Can't remember whether he knows Nigel's name, but I think it was = mentioned by Luthor at the time. LabRat :) ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C014FF.53664080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Helene wrote:

I need your help on something. Do you remember if Clark has seen = Nigel St=20 John during the first season? If he has, was it just a short glimpse, = or did=20 he have something of a conversation with the man? Was he aware that St = John=20 was working for Lex Luthor? And did he know his name?

Yes, definitely. St. John is present = when Clark=20 and Lois go to interview Luthor at his penthouse in...um, darn this = memory.=20 The episode where Luthor is shooting clay pigeons when they arrive and = there's=20 a little bit of byplay between Luthor and Lois which irritates Clark. = Is that=20 in MoST? Anyway, that one. <G>

Can't remember whether he knows = Nigel's name, but=20 I think it was mentioned by Luthor at the time.

LabRat = :)

------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C014FF.53664080-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:32:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chipmunks Subject: Re: OT:Attachments? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20000902155055.006b87cc@sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Could you guys * please * not send attachments to the list? They are a pain to find and delete in the attachment directory since I cannot just glance over the files list and delete them. Just the other day, Kathy posted and said that no attachments were allowed on the list and sending one repeatedly could result in being unsubscribed from the list. Thanks a bunch. Doris ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:02:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: The Shoe Being On The Other Foot... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LabRat wrote: >I *love* getting both. It doesn't matter one whit to me > which I get. The detailed fdk is fine. But I've been just as delighted to > get a one liner getting up in the morning and dl my mail, as I stated in my > previous post. Each kind of fdk is equally likely to have me wandering > around with a soppy smile on my face for the day. The only difference for > me, is that the detailed fdk makes me think a little more. But my reaction > to it isn't any different. -----A-men to that! :) Jude ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:18:15 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kaethel Subject: Re: Question for a fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0540_01C0151A.EDCC5C20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0540_01C0151A.EDCC5C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LabRat wrote: >>>Yes, definitely. St. John is present when Clark and Lois go to = interview Luthor at his penthouse in...um, darn this memory. The episode = where Luthor is shooting clay pigeons when they arrive and there's a = little bit of byplay between Luthor and Lois which irritates Clark. Is = that in MoST? Anyway, that one. Can't remember whether he knows Nigel's name, but I think it was = mentioned by Luthor at the time.<<< Thank you! I didn't remember this encounter, but I do now, thanks to = your description of the scene. It was in 'Ides of Metropolis', actually. = Just checked the tape, and Nigel is mostly in the background. Clark = doesn't seem to pay attention to him, and his name isn't mentioned. He = doesn't even say a word... so I guess it would be possible that Clark = could have forgotten the man's face after six months, right? That = is, if there's no further encounter between them during the first = season. Thanks again for the help :) Helene (who was amused by Clark's exasperated roll of his eyes when Lex = kissed Lois on the cheek in this scene ) kaethel@club-internet.fr ------=_NextPart_000_0540_01C0151A.EDCC5C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

LabRat wrote:

>>>Yes, definitely. St. John = is present=20 when Clark and Lois go to interview Luthor at his penthouse in...um, = darn this=20 memory. The episode where Luthor is shooting clay pigeons when they = arrive and=20 there's a little bit of byplay between Luthor and Lois which irritates = Clark. Is=20 that in MoST? Anyway, that one. <G>

Can't remember whether he knows Nigel's = name, but I=20 think it was mentioned by Luthor at the time.<<<

Thank you! I didn't remember this encounter, but I do now, thanks = to your=20 description of the scene. It was in 'Ides of Metropolis', actually. Just = checked=20 the tape, and Nigel is mostly in the background. Clark doesn't seem to = pay=20 attention to him, and his name isn't mentioned. He doesn't even say a = word... so=20 I guess it would be possible that Clark could have forgotten the man's = face=20 after six months, right? <bg> That is, if there's no further = encounter=20 between them during the first season.

Thanks again for the help :)

Helene (who was amused by Clark's exasperated roll of his eyes = when=20 Lex kissed Lois on the cheek in this scene <eg>)

kaethel@club-internet.fr ------=_NextPart_000_0540_01C0151A.EDCC5C20-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:59:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rich & Dawn Subject: Message Board Index update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi FoLCs! The following stories were updated in the index tables at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/7378/lnc.html this week: Completed stories this week are: PERSONAL LOYALTIES: CINDY LEUCH SECRET'S OUT... , THE (PU: QUICKIE): HATMAN (AKA PAUL) SHORT, SHORT STORY: JOMARCH New stories started this week are: AN EXTRAORDINARY MAN: KRISSIE (AKA CHRIS CARR) And added to the Archive this week: A Future Restored Abdication of Responsibility under the title Taking Responsibility. Forget It ... Not Enjoy! The Index Crew ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:39:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: Re: OT:Attachments? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I realize attachments are a pain in the butt, however, the list is configured not to accept attachments and in order to know if the configuration files are in order a test message is the only way I can know whether or not the list is doing what it is suppose to do. If you don't like the way I am testing, I'm really sorry, but there is no other way. Kathy can back me up on this, I believe, and I respect her decision if she doesn't with to, however, I am the list manager and trying to configure the files is tricky. And, I do like help :) so, if someone out there has a listserv running, I'd love to exchange notes. Farah ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:14:42 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: Slightly OT: ARGH! I feel rejected In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Erin, I'm rather behind on reading this list, but I just wanted to add a suggestion. If you've read Diana Gabaldon's Outlander (Cross Stitch in the UK etc) series, you might be aware of the story behind it. She decided to have a go at writing, started with a "practice" novel, quoted bits of it on a compuserve forum to the appreciation of many (all?), and someone there recommended that she choose an agent. She did, and after a while the practice novel became the first book in a series of 4 books so far, plus the Outlandish Companion, plus two books to come and a prequel (and possibly a series of books about Master Raymond too). More information on this is in the aforementioned Outlandish Companion (in the UK it's called Through the Stones) and on the website run for Ms Gabaldon at http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~gatti/gabaldon/gabaldon.html Enjoy reading about the books! Oh, and Erin, keep trying! Jen At 02:36 AM 31/08/2000, Erin Klingler wrote: >Becky wrote: > >The MS was rejected =17= times before it was accepted. It then went on to > >win the Newbery Medal, which is =the= award in children's > >literature. Madeleine tells with great relish of being at a > >publishing-type party one night after winning, and being approached by a > >publisher who said, "I wish you'd sent that to =us=." She was able to > >answer, with no small measure of glee, "I did." > >LOL!! Wow, what a great story! I bet it felt *great* for her to be able to >say that. Thanks for cheering me up, guys. I guess I'll just keep >plugging away. :) > >Erin (who is feeling much better today about this ;) >__________________ >erink@ida.net >Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek > ***** >"It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." >__________________ jenerator@free.net.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (8) and Megan (5) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:29:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: OT:Attachments? Comments: To: Doris Schmill On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:32:26 -0400, Chipmunks wrote: >Just the other day, Kathy posted and said that no attachments were allowed >on the list and sending one repeatedly could result in being unsubscribed >from the list. Doris, As Farah explained, both in her original message and in the follow up, she is trying to get the listserv to reject attachments. The only way to do this is to send out test attachments. Yes, it's a pain, but Farah is our registered list owner -- it's not like she's doing this for no reason. If you had read her origial message, you would have known that. Hopefully we'll get this cleared up soon, and we won't have to deal with it again. We're working on solving the problem. Cut us a bit of slack, eh? Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:32:33 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: The Shoe Being On The Other Foot... On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:13:35 +0100, LabRat wrote: >Hmmmmm. Odd, because I'm not lying any. ;) LOL, ok, if you say so ... I believe you. I don't agree, but I believe you. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:55:01 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Natascha Kortum Subject: Re: OT:Attachments? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Kathy, I too was a little confused to find Farah sending an attachment to the list, after being noticed that they are not acceptable. And the problem was that we did not receive the original message that was supposed to announce the attachment mail and explain its purpose until much later. I think everything is clear now. It is great that you and Farah both try to do everything possible to make life easier for those who have problems with the attachments. Keep up and the good work! Natascha :) Kathy wrote: >Doris, > >As Farah explained, both in her original message and in the follow up, she >is >trying to get the listserv to reject attachments. The only way to do this >is >to send out test attachments. > >Yes, it's a pain, but Farah is our registered list owner -- it's not like >she's doing this for no reason. If you had read her origial message, you >would have known that. Hopefully we'll get this cleared up soon, and we >won't have to deal with it again. > >We're working on solving the problem. Cut us a bit of slack, eh? > >Kathy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 23:46:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: OT:Attachments? On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:55:01 EDT, Natascha Kortum wrote: >Kathy, > >I too was a little confused to find Farah sending an attachment to the >list, after being noticed that they are not acceptable. And the problem was >that we did not receive the original message that was supposed to announce >the attachment mail and explain its purpose until much later. I'm confused ... how can the attachment come through before the email that it's attached *to*? Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:01:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chipmunks Subject: Apology [WAS:Re: OT:Attachments?] In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I apologize for complaining about the attachments. I by habit do not even open list messages containing atttachments as I assume those to either be written in html or some other format that my mailer only renders as unintelligilble gibberish (literally) or, worse, some sort of virus that may have attached itself to a mail unknown to the sender. Of course, I support steps taken to ensure the smooth operation of this list, which in this case even is to establish the very thing I hoped for, i.e. keeping attachments from being sent out to the list. However, a prior post marked something like"Important Notice from Llist administratro prior to sending out the test attachment would have warned me and saved confusion. Again, my apologies to Farah and Kathy. I know I would have known better had I read the message, but as I explained above, I did not do so because of the very attachment itself. I honestly did not mean any harm nor hurt feelings. Doris " ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:42:50 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: The Shoe Being On The Other Foot... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: > LOL, ok, if you say so ... I believe you. > > I don't agree, but I believe you. > Goooooood. I guess maybe one day I'll become jaded with it all and long for detailed fdk over one liners, but so far it ain't happened yet. The experience is way too new right now. ;) I can't believe it once took me half a year to get a fic edited, thanks to flurries of snail mail and long months of waiting between letters. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:43:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: kubitc Subject: Another Question: writing environment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since the previous threads about feedback, favorite fic types, etc. have been slowing down, I thought I'd introduce another. Fanfic writers, where do you write? Are there any necessary components to your writing environment, such as a certain type of music or time of day? Writers and non-writers, where do you read fic? Following Irene's precedent, I'll start with my own answers When writing on the computer, I write at my desk, whether it's in a dorm room, apartment, or my bedroom at home. I can write long-hand anywhere, though, including in the car (if I'm not the driver) or while watching TV. I can write at any time of day, but I think I best get into my writing at night, on a night when I know I can write as late as I want and don't have to get up early in the morning ;) For some reason, I also write better when I'm home alone. I *always* write to music, usually music that somehow accompanies whatever I'm working on. When I'm working on more serious fics I'll listen to Carole King, James Taylor, Karl Jenkins, or Enya; a current inspirational song for me is Carly Simon's "Touched by the Sun." When I'm writing something lighter, or something funny, I'll listen to Madonna, Billy Joel, or the soundtrack to a musical. As for reading fanfic, I've never been able to print it out to read off-screen; my brother has made me feel too guilty about killing trees ;) So any fanfic I read, I read on-screen, except for my own; I often print out my stories to edit while I'm doing something else. I figure if I'm actually using the paper (to write my edits on), it's not a waste of trees Anyone else? Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu "I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free." -Michaelangelo ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:07:32 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/00 10:45:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes: << Fanfic writers, where do you write? Are there any necessary components to your writing environment, such as a certain type of music or time of day? Writers and non-writers, where do you read fic? >> Well, in general, I write better when I'm alone, either because the kids aren't home, or if they are, they're still in bed asleep. I hate writing with any type of background noise, so I don't write to music. Music, television, background conversation -- all of these break my concentration. ( Never could study or do homework with it either. ) As to time of day, even though I'm essentially a night owl, I do most of my writing in the morning, because the kids are still asleep. That's a problem now that school is back in session. I have to go to work, so I'm not getting as much written as quickly as I would like to. (Darn real life! It keeps getting in the way of my hobbies.) As for reading fic, due to my need for bifocals, (middle-age is so much fun) it's hard to read on-line. I'll read the first couple of paragraphs to decide if I think I'm going to like a story. If I think I will, I print it out and read elsewhere. It's much more comfortable and also allows my kids access to the computer. As for killing trees, well, I copy fics into my word processor, shrink the type somewhat, make 2 columns on landscape format and print on the back of the sheet as well. I love to curl up on the sofa or in my bed with a nice fic. I have a question of my own. It seems like most of the fics that get posted on this list are already finished. Is there much demand or desire for works in progress? I've been debating whether or not to post Growing Pains, (the sequel to Triangle Built for Two) over here. I'm currently posting on Zoomway's message boards, but wondered if anyone wanted it here. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:48:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- kubitc wrote: > Since the previous threads about feedback, favorite > fic types, etc. have been > slowing down, I thought I'd introduce another. > Fanfic writers, where do you > write? Are there any necessary components to your > writing environment, such as > a certain type of music or time of day? Writers and > non-writers, where do you > read fic? > Good question, Christy. I write in my studio which is a wonderful private area that I am very lucky to have. Our basement is completely above ground which is unusual so my office is very bright. It's a large room with my piano and keyboard in it for my piano teaching. My desk is set in the corner with the computer on it. It's a very quiet room which is how I like it. I don't listen to music, not because I can't concentrate, but more because, why bother? I get so focused that I literally don't hear it anymore. I can write at any time of the day or night. When things are really going well, I save my story onto disk and will work on it in between checking on dinner at the kids computer upstairs or while they're working on their homework. I have no problem writing if the kids are watching TV at the same time. I'm totally able to tune out Pokemon or Scooby-Doo while simultaneously listen to make sure that the kids aren't fighting or anything. (What can I say? [g] It's a talent!) I generally read shorter fics at my computer, but the longer ones, or the ones that I know I'll reread over and over again, get printed out to be read anywhere I want. I took Only You: Fantasy with me yesterday to my son's Chess tournament and thoroughly enjoyed it. Good questions, Christy. Thanks. Irene ===== sirenegold@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:32:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: test2. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_968013165==_" --=====================_968013165==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --=====================_968013165==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="att.txt" attachments should no be allowed on the list --=====================_968013165==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --- Farah Meitzen Chisham, horn US Navy Band, Washington DC --=====================_968013165==_-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:35:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dede Lienau Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:43:54 -0400, kubitc wrote: Writers and non-writers, where do you >read fic? > Writers and non-writers, where do you read fic? I am never without a book and I spend every free moment reading. I remember once I was at home on my lunch break reading and got so engrossed in the book that I "forgot" to go back to work. Try to explain that to your boss! (Fortunately mine was pretty forgiving) After that I had to set the alarm on my watch to go off so it wouldn't happen again. I am a slow reader and read every word in on the page. I always read for at least an hour before going to sleep. Since finding LnC fanfic (so many stories, so little time) I am finding that I spend most evenings reading. I need to be comfortable when I read, so I usually don't read stories off the computer. I shrink the print, print them out (my apologies to Christy's brother ) using both sides of the paper and either curl up in my big chair and read or I head straight to bed and surround myself with pillows and my cats and dog. I have never been able to concentrate on more than reading, so I tend to leave the TV and stereo off while I read. Being single has it's advantages - no background noise unless I want it! Nothing makes me happier than to have an entire day with nothing to do so that I can devote it entirely to reading. Dede chickadee@aalweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:16:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: From List Mom - Re: test2. Those of you who are set to MAIL (receive each post), what did you get with the test2 post? Farah sent out a .doc attachment which was rejected, but the .txt file seemed to go through. On the website, it just got added to the bottom of the post with no problem, but I have a feeling that it probably came through as an attached file for those set to MAIL. True? The problem we are having is that we can't seem to get it to reject all attachments. We can get it to reject all but .txt files (that's what we've gotten it to now, or so we think), but we can't seem to get rid of .txt. *But* at least it's currently set to weed out all that HTML junk. I'm tempted to send out a .jpg, just to test it ... but everyone would probably freak out. ;) Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:30:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy, you're dealing with a semi-computer-illiterate here. I have no idea what my computer is set to, but it *did* come through as an attachment for me. Nan Kathy Brown wrote: > Those of you who are set to MAIL (receive each post), what did you get with > the test2 post? > > Farah sent out a .doc attachment which was rejected, but the .txt file seemed > to go through. On the website, it just got added to the bottom of the post > with no problem, but I have a feeling that it probably came through as an > attached file for those set to MAIL. True? > > The problem we are having is that we can't seem to get it to reject all > attachments. We can get it to reject all but .txt files (that's what we've > gotten it to now, or so we think), but we can't seem to get rid of .txt. > > *But* at least it's currently set to weed out all that HTML junk. I'm > tempted to send out a .jpg, just to test it ... but everyone would probably > freak out. ;) > > Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:00:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: New Fanfic: Only You: Fantasy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Woo-hoo, it's done!!! :) That's great news, Margaret, and I can't wait to read it... /me scampers off to catch up... -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "SF had opened a whole new world to her. A galaxy, a universe of new worlds. While the other little girls had played with Barbie dolls, Sherrine played with Lummox and Poddy and Arkady and Susan Calvin. While they went to the malls, she went to Trantor and the Witch World. While they wondered what Look was in, she wondered about resource depletion and nuclear war and genetic engineering. Escape literature, they called it." --_Fallen Angels_ by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Michael Flynn ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:50:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment In-Reply-To: <20000903154831.23316.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >--- Christy wrote: >> Since the previous threads about feedback, favorite >> fic types, etc. have been >> slowing down, I thought I'd introduce another. >> Fanfic writers, where do you >> write? Are there any necessary components to your >> writing environment, such as >> a certain type of music or time of day? Writers and >> non-writers, where do you >> read fic? I haven't been reading the list lately, in a futile attempt to gain more time to write So although I'm not familiar with the previous threads, I thought I'd comment on this one:) I only write at my home computer (fortunately, I have one to myself:) I can't seem to write longhand. I have no idea why, it must be some deep psychological neurosis I should see Dr. Friskin about I prefer to write when it's daylight outside, so that means on weekends, or any days I take off from my paying job. I do print off my own stories to note down my proofers' comments all in one place, to read the story for obvious inconsistencies, and to make brief notes on scenes to include in which location (along the lines of "redo timeline" or "insert Presidential announcement here"). I don't go into any detail on the printout. I do the actual writing at my keyboard. I like to read a printout of my own story so I can catch the errors. Years of reading from the printed page make it easier for me to see errors when they are in black and white. Like Irene, I don't listen to music. I also tune out externals when writing (also when I'm reading). If I can't tune out the externals it's time to do something else. After the final version is at the fanfic archive I print off my story and put it in a binder that I've created for my fanfic. I have no idea why. I don't usually read my own stories after I've posted them. By the time that happens I'm usually completely fed up with the whole thing, and never want to see it again Although, I must say the binder came in handy when I was trying to remember what I'd said in "The Rules" as background for "Only You":) I never print out other people's stories to read. I save to disk and read on the screen. (I wear blended bifocals, but don't seem to have a problem reading on screen.). I think I don't print out partly because I'm too cheap to buy all the paper I would need to print out the unread stories (still at 9MB on my hard drive, and I haven't downloaded anything for over a year!) I store the ones I want to re-read in a different sub-directory from the "unread" ones. At 08:48 AM 2000/09/03 -0700, Irene wrote: >I generally read shorter fics at my computer, but the >longer ones, or the ones that I know I'll reread over >and over again, get printed out to be read anywhere I >want. I took Only You: Fantasy with me yesterday to >my son's Chess tournament and thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks Irene, I am really glad you enjoyed it:) Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@sympatico.ca Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:52:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:16 PM 2000/09/03 -0500, you wrote: >Those of you who are set to MAIL (receive each post), what did you get with >the test2 post? An attachment. I deleted the mail without reading it, since it was only a test. But it definitely had an attachment. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Margaret Brignell brignell@sympatico.ca Ottawa, Canada ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:54:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debbie Coleman Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 9/3/00 10:16 AM, Kathy Brown at kathybrown91@HOME.COM wrote: > Those of you who are set to MAIL (receive each post), what did you get with > the test2 post? > > Farah sent out a .doc attachment which was rejected, but the .txt file seemed > to go through. On the website, it just got added to the bottom of the post > with no problem, but I have a feeling that it probably came through as an > attached file for those set to MAIL. True? > True, it came thru as att.txt, and was a bonafide attachment. Good luck with your testing! Deb -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once in a while, you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right. R. Hunter Scarlet Begonias Deb Coleman debolah@pacbell.net -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:02:19 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/00 10:16:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: << but I have a feeling that it probably came through as an attached file for those set to MAIL. True? >> Yes, that is how I received it. Kate ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:13:08 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wanda McCants Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/00 1:16:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: > Those of you who are set to MAIL (receive each post), what did you get with > the test2 post? I received it as an attachment. Wanda ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:03:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chipmunks Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yup, got the attachment as an attached .txt file. Cheers, Doris ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:28:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christy asked: >where do you > write? ----I write in what I call 'my office' where I have a computer table and printer table, desk, filing cabinet, numerous bookshelves and am surrounded by the reference tomes I've collected through the years and couldn't write without. Being old, retired, and living in the same house after the kids have left home has its advantages. >Are there any necessary components to your writing environment, such as > a certain type of music or time of day? ----I usually listen to music and my taste swings through country, folk, pop, jazz blues, rock and roll; classical baroque, romantic, contemporary; singers or instrumental. But sometimes I just write in silence. It all depends on my mood for the day. As for the time of day, I write whenever I have a block of uninterrupted time. When my husband is gone on a fishing trip, or kayaking is best. When he's away, I write far into the morning hours since I don't sleep well when he's gone anyway. >Writers and non-writers, where do you > read fic? -----When I read, I stretch out comfortably on a couch , sometimes with music, sometimes not. I usually take something with me when we're out on a jaunt and I have to wait for my husband to look at various kinds of equipment. I used to read anywhere and everywhere all the time, but now that I have to use a magnifier, I can no longer eat and read at the same time (1 hand for the pages, 1 hand for the magnifier. Does anyone know an off-world species with 3 hands?) I do have to copy it into Word and print it out in a type size I can see comfortably. I have to use a magnifier any time, so screen reading is very difficult. I do print on both sides of the paper, and I only read what I think I will like. I also recycle all discarded paper in the house, so I try not to use up too many trees without giving back. And remember that trees are one of the few 'renewable' resources. Jude ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:50:36 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Add on question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought of an addendum to Christy's question as I was replying so thought I would ask it here. Writers, do you find that certain reference works are indispensable as you write? What do you rely on? Or do you rely on your beta-readers and editors? In keeping with having the questioner answer first, I use many items for reference. A dictionary, of course, Rodale's Synonym Finder, The Word Book, The Name Book, Bartlett's Quotations, an almanac, The List Books by Irving; and Amy Wallace, Fowler's Modern English Usage, a couple of old high school English grammar texts, Goldberg's Writing Down the Bones, Whitman's, The Road to Readability, The Handbook of Poetic Forms, and The Poet's Handbook. I've collected these through the years and found them useful from time to time, especially as my short term memory gets worse and worse! So, okay gang, what are your favorite 'crutches'? Jude ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:04:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Add on question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My crutches are basically my Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, a Thesaurus, and "Ask Jeeves", on the net, which is a great resource for looking up information in a hurry. Nan Judith Williams wrote: > I thought of an addendum to Christy's question as I was replying so thought > I would ask it here. Writers, do you find that certain reference works are > indispensable as you write? What do you rely on? Or do you rely on your > beta-readers and editors? > > In keeping with having the questioner answer first, I use many items for > reference. A dictionary, of course, Rodale's Synonym Finder, The Word Book, > The Name Book, Bartlett's Quotations, an almanac, The List Books by Irving; > and Amy Wallace, Fowler's Modern English Usage, a couple of old high school > English grammar texts, Goldberg's Writing Down the Bones, Whitman's, The > Road to Readability, The Handbook of Poetic Forms, and The Poet's Handbook. > I've collected these through the years and found them useful from time to > time, especially as my short term memory gets worse and worse! > > So, okay gang, what are your favorite 'crutches'? Jude ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:45:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Chipmunks Subject: What's "Ask Jeeves?, [WAS:Re: Add on question] In-Reply-To: <39B2A0C3.34EA788C@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, gang, As I need to rely largely on online resources for my "writing crutchess," I am very much intersted in hearing of online references, preferably those that do not have a lot of graphic intensive stuff. In that regard, I would like to know what "Ask Jeeves", is and what the url to it is. Cheers, Doris ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:54:13 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: What's "Ask Jeeves?, [WAS:Re: Add on question] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/00 3:46:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chipmunks@GMX.NET writes: << In that regard, I would like to know what "Ask Jeeves", is and what the url to it is. >> "Ask Jeeves" is a wonderful site where you can type in a question and most of the time it will give you the answer. For instance, if you wanted to know the distance from the earth to the moon, you could type in "What is the distance from the earth to the moon?" click the right button and in a few seconds it would give you the answer. It would probably also give you some sites that might be of interest to someone who asked that question. If Jeeves doesn't have the answer at his fingertips, you get a list of sites, just as you would on a regular search engine. The last time I looked there were two URLs that worked: www.ask.com and www.askjeeves.com. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:55:49 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Laurie Dunn Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/2000 8:08:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Aerm1@AOL.COM writes: << I have a question of my own. It seems like most of the fics that get posted on this list are already finished. Is there much demand or desire for works in progress? I've been debating whether or not to post Growing Pains, (the sequel to Triangle Built for Two) over here. I'm currently posting on Zoomway's message boards, but wondered if anyone wanted it here. >> Hi, Ann- I, for one, do not read the fic boards at Zoomway's. It is far too difficult for me to keep track of lots of stories at once. I do read them here and love to see works in progress. Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:56:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: OT: technical problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this is off topic, but you FOLCs are my best resource. 2 problems: 1. I usually copy a story from the archive to my Word 2000 program. When I do, I add a header which numbers the pages and shows them as 1 of 21, 2 of 21, etc... I also do this when I write. For some reason unknown to me, when I print, even though the on-screen header still reads correctly, each page now prints 1 of 1, 2 of 2, 21 of 21. Didn't have this problem previously and don't know what caused the change. My live-in techie doesn't use stuff like that so his solution is to re-install Word 2000. Anybody have a better solution? 2. I've tried repeatedly to copy my story The Circle Game from the Archive to my Word program so that I an have a copy of what actually was archived. Every time the same thing happens. It will only copy through the poetry quote, 2 or 3 pages short of the end, and it copies in italics. I've tried copying just the end by itself, but it won't copy. I've had no problems copying anything else from the archive, stories much longer than mine. Anybody have any suggestions? If you have any suggestions, you can reply to me personally at judithwilliams@prodigy.net. These mysteries that pop up are what drive me wild about computers. HELP! Superman, where are you now that I need you? Jude ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:58:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: What's "Ask Jeeves?, [WAS:Re: Add on question] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Ask Jeeves" is a search engine, which is really good for finding information that you need in a hurry. Since a lot of my reference books are buried in boxes in the garage, I've found that it's very good for finding what I need for a story. the url is: http://ask.com/ Nan Chipmunks wrote: > Hi, gang, > > As I need to rely largely on online resources for my "writing crutchess," I > am very much intersted in hearing of online references, preferably those > that do not have a lot of graphic intensive stuff. > > In that regard, I would like to know what "Ask Jeeves", is and what the > url to it is. > > Cheers, > > Doris ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:08:23 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wanda McCants Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/00 3:56:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DUNNFOUR@AOL.COM writes: > << I have a question of my own. It seems like most of the fic's that get > posted > on this list are already finished. Is there much demand or desire for works > in progress? I've been debating whether or not to post Growing Pains, (the > sequel to Triangle Built for Two) over here. I'm currently posting on > Zoomway's message boards, but wondered if anyone wanted it here. > >> Ann, I much prefer to read my fanfic here on the list. The MB's are too confusing for an old girl like me. I would love to read your posting of Growing Pains. Thanks for asking ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:13:12 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wanda McCants Subject: Re: What's "Ask Jeeves?, [WAS:Re: Add on question] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/00 3:58:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > "Ask Jeeves" is a search engine, which is really good for finding information > that you need in a hurry. Since a lot of my reference books are buried in > boxes in the garage, I've found that it's very good for finding what I need > for > a story. The URL is: http://ask.com/ > > Nan In addition there is an Ask Jeeves for Kid's the URL is: www.ajkids.com. I thought this might come in handy. Back to lurking. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:21:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne asked: > I have a question of my own. It seems like most of the fics that get posted > on this list are already finished. Is there much demand or desire for works > in progress? I've been debating whether or not to post Growing Pains, (the > sequel to Triangle Built for Two) over here. I'm currently posting on > Zoomway's message boards, but wondered if anyone wanted it here. -----Ann, I think it's a good idea to post both places because, while many of the readers are the same, there are also different ones who would enjoy what you've written. But I don't read from either one unless they are complete and very short. Otherwise I wait for the unveiling on the Archive or at Anne's site. Jude ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:37:38 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: New Story: Growing Pains MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Growing Pains" is the sequel to "Triangle Built for Two." It takes place several months later, at the time of Top Copy, in season 2. GP is currently appearing over on Zoomway's message boards as well. Feedback is welcome. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:37:53 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: New Story: Growing Pains part 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Growing Pains ************** Ann McBride Standard disclaimers apply. Feedback welcome. ******************** =E2=80=9CThanks, Bobby. We=E2=80=99ll see you then.=E2=80=9D Lois Lane hun= g up the phone and=20 turned to face her partner=E2=80=99s desk. The clear surface on it informed= her that=20 Clark had yet to come in to work. =E2=80=9CWhere is he?=E2=80=9D she wonder= ed. =E2=80=9CIs he out=20 doing Superman things?=E2=80=9D =20 Ever since he had let her in on his secret, she had been able to not take it= =20 personally when he ran out on her. But knowledge didn=E2=80=99t always prev= ent=20 frustration. It seemed as if lately, every time she really needed to talk t= o=20 him, he was nowhere to be found. And right now, she had to let him know=20 about the meeting she=E2=80=99d just set up with their favorite informant. =20= Sighing=20 heavily, she turned her attention to the television monitors on the other=20 side of the newsroom. Maybe she=E2=80=99d catch a glimpse of him on a news=20= channel. LNN was showing a report of a horrific accident on the beltway. A=20 chain-reaction accident involving a dozen cars was, in fact, keeping Superma= n=20 extremely busy. There appeared to be a high number of serious injuries. =20 Lois gasped as she saw the grim expression on Superman=E2=80=99s face. He o= nly ever=20 got that detached, hard-jawed look when what he was dealing with was too=20 horrible to contemplate. Later, he would obsess for hours about what he=20 could have done differently to save more people. At least, now that she kne= w=20 that the Man of Steel was really Clark Kent, she could try to help him deal=20 with the emotional aftermath of a less than perfect appearance as the=20 Superhero. Once again, Lois marveled at how Clark had been able to carry on= =20 as Superman before he had been able to vent his emotions with her. =20 A quick look at the clock showed Lois that the morning budget meeting was du= e=20 to start in five minutes. Somehow she didn=E2=80=99t think Clark would make= it on=20 time. From the looks of the accident, he was likely to be tied up for quit= e=20 a while longer. She wondered what excuse she should give this time when=20 Perry noticed her partner=E2=80=99s absence. What had she said the last tim= e? Lois=20 shrugged. She didn=E2=80=99t mind covering for Clark, but sometimes she und= erstood=20 why he had often resorted to incredibly ridiculous excuses for his absences=20 in the past. Neither one of them had much practice at not doing their=20 homework. =E2=80=9CHmm,=E2=80=9D she thought. =E2=80=9CMaybe I can say the= dog ate his article,=20 and he had to go get another one. Nah, Perry would see right through that.=20= =20 He knows Clark doesn=E2=80=99t have a dog.=E2=80=9D Coming up with plausibl= e reasons for=20 his non-appearance was often a challenge. If she were lucky, Perry might no= t=20 ask. It did seem that their editor tended to question Clark=E2=80=99s where= abouts=20 less often if there were a publicized Superman feat on television. Perhaps=20 Perry had some suspicions about Clark=E2=80=99s second job. She turned her=20= attention=20 away from the television monitors and gathered her notes. =E2=80=9CLois, where=E2=80=99s Clark?=E2=80=9D Jimmy was at her elbow.=20 Lois jumped as the young photographer spoke. =E2=80=9CJimmy, don=E2=80=99t=20= do that to me,=E2=80=9D=20 she replied. =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s too early in the morning to be startled=20= like that.=E2=80=9D Jimmy persisted. =E2=80=9CWhere=E2=80=99s Clark? I need to talk to him.= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CHe=E2=80=99s meeting a source. He=E2=80=99ll be in later.=E2=80= =9D That sounded plausible. Lois=20 smiled to herself. =E2=80=9CCan *I* help you?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CAh, no, that=E2=80=99s okay. I just wanted to ask him something a= bout women.=E2=80=9D He=20 paused for effect. =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t think you could help.=E2=80=9D=20= Jimmy grinned, turned=20 away, and headed for the conference room. Lois glared at the researcher/photographer=E2=80=99s retreating back, gather= ed her=20 notes on their current investigation, and followed in his wake. =E2=80=9CWell, people, let=E2=80=99s hear it. What=E2=80=99s the status on=20= that investigation into=20 Intergang, Lois?=E2=80=9D Perry White, editor-in-chief of the Daily Planet,= opened=20 the meeting. He neglected to mention the empty seat beside her at the table= . =E2=80=9CChief, Clark and I have an appointment with a source in a couple of= hours. =20 The source says he=E2=80=99s got some information that could lead us to the=20= top=20 person in Intergang. Other than that, though, we=E2=80=99ve been coming up=20= with dead=20 ends since that slimy lawyer was killed.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CYou mean the one Clark thought was an attorney for Intergang?=E2= =80=9D =E2=80=9CYes, Martin Snell.=E2=80=9D Lois added under her breath, =E2=80= =9CThe guy who worked for=20 your friend, Bill Church.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CWell, keep on it.=E2=80=9D Perry moved on to the next reporter. =20 Lois was left to listen with half an ear to the conversation flowing around=20 her and wondered whether Clark would arrive at the Planet in time to go with= =20 her to see Bobby Bigmouth. If he didn=E2=80=99t show up, she=E2=80=99d have= to go by=20 herself. Not that going alone was a problem, she thought; but especially=20 since she and Clark had gotten closer, she much preferred to work with him.=20= =20 Their styles were so complementary that together as a team they were=20 infinitely better than either one of them solo. Lois hoped that he would=20 soon have the traffic accident under control. Lois=E2=80=99 heart skipped a= beat as=20 she felt an unobtrusive touch on her arm. She looked up from her doodling o= n=20 a note pad to see Clark sliding into the chair beside her. The look in his=20 eyes was bleak. =E2=80=9CRough?=E2=80=9D she whispered. =E2=80=9CYeah. I=E2=80=99ll tell you about it later,=E2=80=9D he replied. =E2=80=9COkay.=E2=80=9D They turned their attention back to the announcements Perry was making. =20 =E2=80=9CI mean it, people. I want some results on this. Lois, Clark, if y= ou all=20 don=E2=80=99t get me something concrete soon, I=E2=80=99m gonna pull you off= the Intergang=20 story and put you on something else. I can=E2=80=99t afford to have you spe= nding all=20 your time on dead ends.=E2=80=9D Lois sputtered. =E2=80=9CPerry, that=E2=80=99s not fair. You know we=E2= =80=99re working on other=20 things as well. I know we=E2=80=99re going to crack this case eventually.= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CSee that you do. That=E2=80=99s all for today.=E2=80=9D With a pe= remptory nod, Perry=20 dismissed his staff. As the rest of the city room staff left the conference room, Clark put his=20 hand on Lois=E2=80=99 arm, holding her back. =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=99t go. We= need to talk in=20 private.=E2=80=9D His voice was so soft, she barely heard it. Clark steppe= d over to=20 the blinds and closed them. =E2=80=9COkay.=E2=80=9D Turning to face Clark, she gazed into his stricken=20= eyes. =E2=80=9CWhat is=20 it, Clark? What happened out there?=E2=80=9D Concern written on her face,=20= she drew=20 him into her arms. =E2=80=9CTell me, sweetheart. It can=E2=80=99t be that= bad.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9COh yes, it can. It=E2=80=99s worse.=E2=80=9D He leaned into her e= mbrace, seeming to draw=20 comfort from the haven of her arms. Oh, god, Lois, it was terrible.=E2=80= =9D His=20 voice caught on a sob. He rested his chin on top of her shining hair. =E2= =80=9COne=20 of the worst accidents I=E2=80=99ve ever seen.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CWhat happened out there? I could tell from your face on TV that it= was more=20 than just a run-of-the-mill rush hour wreck.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CWhere do you want me to start? Shall I tell you how many people di= ed=20 immediately? How many people I couldn=E2=80=99t save because they were dead= before I=20 even heard the squealing tires and crunching steel?=E2=80=9D Clark=E2=80= =99s tone was=20 depressed. =E2=80=9CSeven people died in that accident, Lois. Three of the= m were=20 children.=E2=80=9D His voice broke again. =E2=80=9COh, Clark. How awful.=E2=80=9D Lois hugged him more tightly. =20= =E2=80=9CIt wasn=E2=80=99t your=20 fault, you know. You can=E2=80=99t be everywhere. You know that.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CI know. But at times like this, what I know and what I feel are tw= o very=20 different things.=E2=80=9D He took a deep breath before continuing. =E2= =80=9CLois, someone=20 started that chain reaction on purpose. People died, all because someone ha= d=20 some hidden agenda.=E2=80=9D =20 =20 She gasped. =E2=80=9CWhat?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CSomeone started it. The driver of the first car said his tires ble= w out and=20 he spun out of control. The traffic was so congested that no one else could= =20 avoid slamming into the car in front of them.=E2=80=9D =20 =E2=80=9CHow do you know the guy just didn=E2=80=99t run over a nail or some= thing?=E2=80=9D=20 =E2=80=9CBecause I checked. There were bullet holes in his tires on the rig= ht side. =20 Somebody shot the tires of the first car that crashed. I wish to God I knew= =20 who did it.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CHow on earth could someone do that without being caught? Didn=E2= =80=99t anybody=20 see them?=E2=80=9D Lois was incredulous. =E2=80=9CThere=E2=80=99s a stand of trees right beside that stretch of road.= All it took was=20 a rifle and a quick getaway. What concerns me the most, is, why did someone= =20 do it?=E2=80=9D Clark stepped away from Lois and ran his hand through his h= air. =20 =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s senseless. What would be the point? The worst thing=20= is, I didn=E2=80=99t get=20 there fast enough to save everyone.=E2=80=9D Clark reached for Lois again. Pulling her into his arms, he took a deep,=20 shuddering breath. =20 =E2=80=9CClark, you are not responsible for those deaths. Whoever caused th= e=20 accident is.=E2=80=9D She squeezed him tightly. =E2=80=9CYou=E2=80=99ve go= t to believe me. Either=20 some deranged person, or some criminal, is responsible. Not you.=E2=80=9D =20= She=20 leaned back in his arms. Lois peered worriedly at his face, noticing the=20 glimmer of tears in his eyes. =E2=80=9CFocus on the people you saved, okay?= =E2=80=9D Dropping a light kiss on the top of her head, he released her. =E2=80=9CI g= uess,=20 Lois. It=E2=80=99s just so hard, you know? =E2=80=9CYes, I do, Clark. And it doesn=E2=80=99t help that you are the kin= dest, most=20 caring man in the universe.=E2=80=9D Smiling gently at him, she glanced at=20= the wall=20 clock. =E2=80=9CDrat! We=E2=80=99ve got to get going. Are you better now?= =E2=80=9D =20 =E2=80=9CYes, thanks to you.=E2=80=9D He really was feeling better, Clark r= eflected. It=20 had been an enormous relief, Lois knowing his secret. Being able to talk to= =20 her after difficult rescues made his life significantly easier. Sometimes h= e=20 wondered how he had managed to deal with all the chaos he had seen during th= e=20 first year he had been Superman. Talking out his emotions with Lois had mad= e=20 a tremendous difference in his emotional well-being. =E2=80=9CUh, Lois, whe= re do we=20 need to go?=E2=80=9D he added as an afterthought. =E2=80=9CBobby Bigmouth called. He says he=E2=80=99s got a *very* hot tip.=20= We have just=20 enough time to pick up his payment and get to the park by the harbor.=E2=80= =9D =E2=80=9CDid he say what it was about?=E2=80=9D Clark straightened his tie=20= as Lois put her=20 hand on the door knob. =E2=80=9CNope, just that it was big enough to justify a five course meal.= =E2=80=9D She=20 laughed as she preceded him out of the conference room. =E2=80=9CDo I even want to know what that=E2=80=99s gonna set us back?=E2= =80=9D Clark grinned for=20 the first time all morning.=20 =E2=80=9CProbably not. I ordered it from Ralph=E2=80=99s Pagoda.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CGeez, Lois, I thought you were trying to pay the man, not murder hi= m.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CHe likes it. What can I say?=E2=80=9D Her laughter trilled again.= =E2=80=9CHe obviously=20 has a cast-iron stomach. I think he even ate my cooking once.=E2=80=9D Clark shook his head at that. =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t know, Lois. Is the= re anything=20 tougher than cast-iron?=E2=80=9D He ducked the playful swing she made at hi= m and=20 grabbed a notepad from his desk. =E2=80=9CShall we?=E2=80=9D Placing his f= ree hand on the=20 small of her back he propelled her towards the elevators. =E2=80=9CYou driv= ing?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CYou bet. I parked out front today.=E2=80=9D At that moment the elevator doors slid open. The two reporters stepped=20 inside and pushed the lobby button. =E2=80=9CDrat!=E2=80=9D Clark=E2=80=99s sudden exclamation startled Lois. =20= =E2=80=9CI forgot to talk to=20 Jimmy before we left.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CWhat do you need to talk to him about?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CI want him to find out if the police have come up with anything on=20= the cause=20 of that pile-up. Or if they=E2=80=99ve found any spent rifle shells in thos= e trees.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CHmm. You have a point.=E2=80=9D She dug her cell phone out of her= purse. =E2=80=9CSo,=20 why don=E2=80=99t you call him?=E2=80=9D He took the phone from her hand just as the elevator doors opened in the=20 lobby. He was dialing the newsroom=E2=80=99s number before they reached the= street. =20 =E2=80=9CHi, Jimmy? Yeah, I need you to check on something for me.=E2=80= =9D Clark quickly=20 filled Jimmy in and cut the connection. =E2=80=9COkay, partner, let=E2=80= =99s get going.=E2=80=9D =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:46:46 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Growing Pains, part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable **************** =E2=80=9CAh, slippery shrimp. I love slippery shrimp.=E2=80=9D Bobby Bigmou= th was stuffing=20 the contents of several containers of take-out Chinese food into his mouth=20 faster than Superman could have. =E2=80=9CSo, Lois, did you bring me a drin= k this=20 time?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CYes, Bobby,=E2=80=9D she answered acerbically. =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80= =99s right here. A jumbo size=20 cola.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CBetter be the real thing. I don=E2=80=99t want none of those off-b= rand colas. =20 They just don=E2=80=99t taste the same, you know?=E2=80=9D Bobby grumbled. =E2=80=9CYeah, I know. Now could you please cut to the chase?=E2=80=9D Loi= s wondered idly=20 why it always took Bobby longer to get to the point when he had a really=20 *big* tip for them, than when it was just a small one. =E2=80=9CSheesh, Clark. Does she talk to you like this?=E2=80=9D Bobby sho= ok his head in=20 confusion. =E2=80=9CI gotta wonder why you put up with her sometimes, you k= now?=E2=80=9D Lois stiffened her posture. =E2=80=9CHe puts up with me for any number of e= xcellent=20 reasons.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CYeah, but I bet your cooking isn=E2=80=99t one of them.=E2=80=9D B= obby couldn=E2=80=99t resist=20 the dig. =E2=80=9CI thought you liked it.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CCompared to what? Sawdust?=E2=80=9D Bobby caught the fulminating=20= glance she sent=20 his way and decided to talk business. =E2=80=9COkay, Lois. Truce. Here=E2= =80=99s the news.=20 You guys know that new crime syndicate that=E2=80=99s supposedly come into=20= town=20 recently?=E2=80=9D Clark interjected, =E2=80=9CIntergang?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CYeah, that=E2=80=99s the one.=E2=80=9D The snitch wiped his mouth=20= on his sleeve. Grabbing=20 an egg roll, he continued, =E2=80=9CWell, word is, they=E2=80=99re smuggling= something into=20 Metropolis on a fairly regular basis.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CSmuggling? What are they smuggling?=E2=80=9D Lois demanded. =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=99t know for sure. Could be almost anything, but my gues= s is, either=20 drugs or illegal aliens.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CBobby, can=E2=80=99t you narrow it down a little? There=E2=80=99s=20= a pretty big difference=20 between those two commodities.=E2=80=9D Lois was getting impatient. =E2=80=9CLois, I=E2=80=99d tell you if I knew. All I know is, they=E2=80= =99re bringing something in=20 through Metropolis harbor.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CCargo ships or private boats?=E2=80=9D Clark interposed the questi= on. =E2=80=9CThat might=20 give us an idea about what=E2=80=99s being brought in.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CCargo ships, I think. Anyway, there=E2=80=99s some sort of meeting= tonight.=E2=80=9D =20 Bobby paused in his munching to look through the carry-out bag. =E2=80=9CDi= d you=20 bring me dessert?=E2=80=9D Clark rolled his eyes. =E2=80=9CLo...is. Give the man his dessert.=E2=80= =9D She shot a look of pure disgust at her partner, then reached under the seat,= =20 pulled out a bakery sack, and handed it to the informant. The paper bag crackled as he pulled out its contents. =E2=80=9CTortes! You= go,=20 girl. I love tortes.=E2=80=9D Bobby shoved one in his mouth. =E2=80=9COh=20= yeah, this=20 meeting ... it=E2=80=99s supposed to be at eight, at Pete=E2=80=99s Crab Sha= ck. Supposedly=20 some local guy is gonna be meeting with an Intergang leader.=E2=80=9D =20 =E2=80=9CAnd are you going to be there, to find out what the deal is ?=E2= =80=9D Lois asked. =E2=80=9CMe? Not on your life! These Intergang guys are not to be messed w= ith. =20 >From what I hear, they=E2=80=99d as soon kill you as look at you. Nope, if=20= you two=20 want to know what=E2=80=99s going down, I suggest you go there.=E2=80=9D =20 Usually the more rational of the two reporters, Clark again chimed in. =E2= =80=9CAnd=20 how are we supposed to know who to listen to or look at?=E2=80=9D =20 Bobby was gathering the remains of his meal together. =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80= =99t know. All I=20 know is, there=E2=80=99s a meeting; and people who know about Intergang are=20= supposed=20 to be able to tell who the players are.=E2=80=9D With that he disappeared i= nto the=20 woods ringing the park. The wheels in Lois=E2=80=99 brain were churning. Secret meetings at seedy=20 restaurants were her life=E2=80=99s blood. Few things got her more excited=20= than the=20 opportunity to go undercover chasing down a lead. She turned an excited gaz= e=20 on Clark. =E2=80=9CWe need to be there, Clark.=E2=80=9D He blinked his surprise. =E2=80=9C*We* need to be there?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CThat=E2=80=99s what I said. Is there an echo? Don=E2=80=99t answe= r that. Yes, Clark, we=20 need to be there and see what=E2=80=99s going on. It could be a great oppor= tunity to=20 finally break the Intergang story. You heard Perry this morning.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80=99t you think that if these people see you and me sitting= there, that=20 they=E2=80=99ll figure something is up and leave?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9COf course, they will. That=E2=80=99s why we=E2=80=99ll go undercov= er. Then no one will=20 know that it=E2=80=99s us.=E2=80=9D Lois was already putting together a pla= n in her mind. =20 =E2=80=9CUndercover. *We=E2=80=99ll* go undercover.=E2=80=9D =20 =E2=80=9CYeah, I can wear a blond wig and some trashy clothes; and you can w= ear that=20 awful beard you wore to the Metro Club last year.=E2=80=9D Lois continued=20= planning=20 aloud. =E2=80=9CHmm. I wonder if there=E2=80=99s any chance I could get a=20= waitressing job=20 there for the night. Then I could be in a position to hear a lot of the=20 conversation.=E2=80=9D At that, the tight rein Clark had tried to keep on his emotions all morning=20 snapped. =E2=80=9CNo! I can=E2=80=99t allow you to do that Lois.=E2=80=9D She snapped her head up to look at the taut lips and narrowed eyes of her=20 boyfriend. =E2=80=9CExcuse me? What did you just say?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CI said I can=E2=80=99t allow you to do that. It=E2=80=99s too dang= erous.=E2=80=9D Clark was=20 surprised that she questioned him. =20 =E2=80=9CStop right there, buster. What makes you think you have the right=20= to tell=20 me that I can=E2=80=99t do my job?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CHoney, I love you. You know that.=E2=80=9D He rubbed the back of=20= his head=20 wearily. =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t want you in danger.=E2=80=9D Lois took a deep breath and counted to ten. When that failed to calm her=20 temper, she counted to twenty. =E2=80=9CThe heck with it,=E2=80=9D she thou= ght. =E2=80=9CHe needs=20 to know I=E2=80=99m mad.=E2=80=9D She turned to face him directly and poked= him in the=20 chest. She ground out the words through clenched teeth. =E2=80=9CClark, li= sten to=20 me. Just because you love me, that doesn=E2=80=99t give you the right to te= ll me I=20 can=E2=80=99t do something. You don=E2=80=99t own me. It isn=E2=80=99t you= r place to tell me I=20 can=E2=80=99t do my job because you love me, any more than it=E2=80=99s my p= lace to tell you=20 what to do because I love you.=E2=80=9D Clark took her hands and laced his fingers with hers. =E2=80=9CDon=E2=80= =99t you see a=20 little difference here? I mean, you are a lot more likely to get hurt, you=20 know?=E2=80=9D He pulled her close to him. =E2=80=9CLois, I love you so mu= ch. If anything=20 were to happen to you, I do t know if I could go on. Can=E2=80=99t you see that I just want to protect=20= you?=E2=80=9D =20 She looked up at him and shook her head. =E2=80=9CClark, I do see that. Bu= t it=20 doesn=E2=80=99t change anything. I was going undercover on more dangerous=20 assignments than this before I ever met you. I somehow managed to survive,=20 even without super help.=E2=80=9D Lois paused to give him a squeeze. =E2= =80=9CYou can=E2=80=99t=20 wrap me up in cotton wool, anymore than I can do it to you.=E2=80=9D Completely baffled, Clark responded, =E2=80=9CWhy would you want to? It=E2= =80=99s not like=20 I can get hurt. You, on the other hand, can.=E2=80=9D Lois sighed in exasperation. =E2=80=9CHonestly, Clark, sometimes you are so= dumb. =20 Who had to dig a bullet out of whom a few months ago?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CLo...is,=E2=80=9D he groaned. =E2=80=9CThat was a very unusual sit= uation. And you know=20 it.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CYeah, right. Do I need to remind you about the crazy eye doctor wh= o blinded=20 you? Or the engineering geeks who built a cyborg that could beat you up=20 since it just happened to have a Kryptonite battery? Or how about....=E2= =80=9D He stopped her tirade with a kiss. =E2=80=9COkay. I guess you=E2=80=99ve m= ade your point. =20 Will you at least promise me to *try* to be careful? To look before you=20 leap?=E2=80=9D She smiled up at him. =E2=80=9CWell, I can try. But it works both ways, yo= u know.=E2=80=9D He looked hurt. =E2=80=9CAll right. So what=E2=80=99s the plan?=E2=80=9D =20= =20 =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99ll tell you on the way back to the Planet.=E2=80=9D She=20= began the walk across=20 the parking lot to her Jeep, Clark striding beside her. =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80= =99s really pretty=20 simple. If I can get a job there for the night, you can come in as a=20 customer. It=E2=80=99ll be great. You=E2=80=99ll see.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CFamous last words,=E2=80=9D he muttered as he slid into the passeng= er seat and=20 fastened his seat belt. =20 The ride back to the newsroom was passed in a discussion of Lois=E2=80=99 pl= an for=20 surveillance of the meeting that night. As they pulled into a parking place= =20 in the garage, Lois finally remarked on Clark=E2=80=99s silence for most of=20= the trip.=20 =E2=80=9CYou okay? Is something wrong?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CYeah, everything is fine.=E2=80=9D His tone didn=E2=80=99t sound c= onvincing. =E2=80=9CUh huh. If everything is fine, then why do you have that hangdog l= ook on=20 your face? And why did you let me make all the plans for tonight?=E2=80=9D=20= she=20 prodded. Clark shifted in his seat so that he could see her better. =E2=80=9CDo you=20= really=20 think I try to do that?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CDo what?=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CTry to run your life. Try to wrap you up in cotton wool.=E2=80=9D She was silent as she turned off the ignition. =E2=80=9CWell,=E2=80=9D she=20= temporized. =20 =E2=80=9CYes and no.=E2=80=9D She swiveled to face him. =E2=80=9CI don=E2= =80=99t really think you try to=20 run my life. But, sometimes, you do try to keep me wrapped up in that=20 stuff.=E2=80=9D =20 =E2=80=9CIs it so wrong to want to protect the woman I love? To want to kee= p her=20 safe?=E2=80=9D he asked. =E2=80=9CNo, I guess it=E2=80=99s actually natural. It=E2=80=99s even kind=20= of sweet. But you have=20 to remember that you can=E2=80=99t always do it. And you have to accept tha= t fact. =20 Sometimes, I=E2=80=99m going to take risks to get a story. I hope my luck h= olds=20 good, and nothing bad happens when I do take a chance. Or at the very=20 least, that if something bad happens, that you=E2=80=99re able to rescue me.= =E2=80=9D She=20 reached over and took his hand. =E2=80=9CBut Clark, I=E2=80=99m not a chil= d. And I=E2=80=99m not=20 a hothouse flower. Most of the time I can take care of myself. You have=20 to believe that, or you=E2=80=99ll drive yourself nuts. You have to trust m= e.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CI do trust you, Lois. I guess it=E2=80=99s just that the longer we= =E2=80=99re together,=20 the more I worry that something bad could happen; that someone could hurt=20 you. And I couldn=E2=80=99t bear that.=E2=80=9D He raised her hand and kis= sed her=20 knuckles. =E2=80=9CDays like today, I need you so much it=E2=80=99s almost=20= a physical=20 sensation. Situations like that accident this morning leave me feeling like= =20 there=E2=80=99s this big hole inside me. And when I get back to you, your l= ove fills=20 the hole back in. I just don=E2=80=99t want anything to separate us.=E2=80= =9D His voice=20 was thick with emotion. =E2=80=9CLois, I love you. I can=E2=80=99t tell yo= u that enough.=E2=80=9D She reached across the car with her other hand and lovingly caressed his=20 cheek. =E2=80=9CI know, sweetheart. I love you too. I love you so much th= at=20 sometimes it scares me. But I promise, *nothing* is going to change that. =20 You are definitely stuck with me. Grinning, she changed the subject. =E2= =80=9CNow,=20 come on. We need to get back upstairs and see what we can find out about th= e=20 Crab Shack, and go over our notes on Intergang. And if you=E2=80=99ve been=20= living=20 right, maybe nobody will be in the elevator.=E2=80=9D Clark smiled at that sally and exited the Jeep. As far as he knew, he=20 *always* lived right. It might be an interesting trip to the third floor. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:00:16 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/03/2000 1:16:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: << Those of you who are set to MAIL (receive each post), what did you get with the test2 post? >> File: test2.zip (316 bytes) DL Time (45333 bps): < 1 minute That's what I got. It was a zip file the first time, too. Hmm, that wasn't on purpose? Weird. I didn't download either one. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:52:31 +0100 Reply-To: "yconnell@ukf.net" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: yconnell Subject: Love of language MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was watching an arts programme on TV tonight, and heard an interesting quote which got me thinking. "A writer who doesn't love language may as well go and trim spaghetti." - Robert Hughes, art critic and writer. Now, leaving aside the strange and mysterious occupation of spaghetti trimming ;), this certainly struck a chord with me. I *do* love language - I love finding exactly the right word to describe an expression, I love playing with the language to create the mood I want, and I love learning new words I can use in my writing. Even the layout of the language I use fascinates me - you can change the rhythm of the language and thus the impact it has just by separating words or sentences out into separate lines, for example. I also love reading a well-turned phrase, and coming across unusual but effective words in other writer's work. Sometimes writers coin new words or use old words in new ways, and for me, that's what keeps language alive and vibrant. So how do the rest of you writers feel about language? Is it a tool; a means to an end? Do you enjoy experimenting with it? Do you rush to the dictionary when you come across an unfamiliar word, or do you skate over it? Do you enjoy trying out different approaches to your story-telling, or have you found a technique that works for you and you're happy to stick with it? Finally, do you agree with Mr Hughes? Yvonne (yconnell@ukf.net) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:11:49 +0100 Reply-To: "yconnell@ukf.net" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: yconnell Subject: Re: Add on question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, Jude! I'm impressed with your reference list. Personally, my only crutches, apart from my beta readers, are my dictionary (occasional use), my thesaurus (very occasional use), and the spell checker in Word (frequent use!). Otherwise, I sometimes post questions here for L&C related information, or life and language in the US, and use various search engines on the net for other stuff - such as researching post traumatic syndrome for a story. Yvonne (yconnell@ukf.net) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:23:56 +0100 Reply-To: "yconnell@ukf.net" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: yconnell Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, these days I need silence to write effectively. If I put music on, I don't hear it, and if I leave the TV on, even turned down, I get distracted by the images. Sometimes, particularly if I'm writing within the series context, I'll put on an L&C video without sound, and turn it up now and then to remind myself of typical gestures and speech patterns, or just to keep me generally focused on writing Lois and Clark and not some other American couple I've dreamed up ;) Where do I write? Sitting on my sofa in the living room, with the laptop on my lap, or with the laptop on the arm of the sofa with a keyboard attached and resting on my lap - I have to do that when the laptop keyboard gets too hot! Or when the laptop itself gets too hot and starts frying my thighs ;) When do I write? All evening and into the small hours. I keep promising myself I'll go to bed early, and then it's 1am and I'm still up. No will-power, alas. Irene - I never realised you taught piano! Another L&C musician to add to the tally . Yvonne (yconnell@ukf.net) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:06:15 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Roseann Buonadies Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/2000 1:16:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: << Those of you who are set to MAIL (receive each post), what did you get with the test2 post? Farah sent out a .doc attachment which was rejected, but the .txt file seemed to go through. On the website, it just got added to the bottom of the post with no problem, but I have a feeling that it probably came through as an attached file for those set to MAIL. True? >> Kathy, I'm set to MAIL and received the attachment as a ZIP file, which I successfully downloaded without problem. Roseann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:31:20 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/03/2000 6:42:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, yconnell@UKF.NET writes: << I have to do that when the laptop keyboard gets too hot! >> Oh, man, typing at superspeed, are you? Geesh, you must go through a lot of keyboards that way! --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:36:22 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Roseann Buonadies Subject: Re: OT: technical problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/2000 3:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes: << 2. I've tried repeatedly to copy my story The Circle Game from the Archive to my Word program so that I an have a copy of what actually was archived. Every time the same thing happens. It will only copy through the poetry quote, 2 or 3 pages short of the end, and it copies in italics. I've tried copying just the end by itself, but it won't copy. I've had no problems copying anything else from the archive, stories much longer than mine. Anybody have any suggestions? >> Jude, I tried this also and you're right -- when you copy your story from the archive into Word 2000, it comes through in italics and stops at the poetry. Go figure. However, when I saved your story as text, it was complete and I was able to access it through Word. Roseann Roseann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:54:59 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Andrew Troy Keller Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I write my fan-fics on a computer in the corner of the living room. As for the sounds I listen to,it depends on whatevers on tee-vee. And as for where I read fiction,I read it,sometimes,in my bedroom. --Andrew Troy Keller ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:58:10 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Andrew Troy Keller Subject: Re: Add on question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sometimes,I use the comic-books as a reference. --Andrew Troy Keller ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:13:12 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Becky Bain Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment In-Reply-To: <39B1C4A9@webmail.kenyon.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It's interesting to read how many different ways there are to do the same thing! I like to write at my computer at home. If inspiration strikes, I've been known to rattle off anywhere from a line to a couple of pages on my computer at work, though! (Print out, save to floppy, delete from hard drive!) I'm a night owl, so my preferred writing hours are in the evening, usually after nine o'clock. That worked out a lot better when my kids were younger! Now that they're older teens, they like to come plop down on the foot of my bed (the computer's in a corner of the bedroom) and have long philosophical discussions. (I love it that they want to talk with me about this stuff, but NOT WHILE I'M WRITING! ) I don't turn on any music, but I can hear the TV in the living room from here. Sometimes I let what I hear draw me out to see, and sometimes I don't. And sometimes I'm so absorbed, I don't even hear it. Reference books - I'll use the thesaurus that comes with Word first, and if I can't find the right word that way, I'll go to Webster's Thesaurus. I like Bartlett's Familiar Quotations, too. The New York Public Library Desk Reference is invaluable to me! It has all sorts of information, from how to convert Fahrenheit to Centigrade , to what the capital of Sweden is. One I haven't used much in the year I've had it, but which I love owning, is called "Body Trauma: a writer's guide to wounds and injuries". It's written by a doctor and approaches injuries from a writer's point of view - if you need your character to be conscious, in great pain, and need surgery, how can you hurt him? This'll tell you. As far as reading goes, I usually read on screen, but for a long fic by a favorite author, I'll sometimes print it out at work (on the back of all the sheets our accounting software prints one or two useless lines on) - the laser printer there is much faster than my little inkjet here! After I've used his equipment a few times, I give my boss a little bit of my time (by underreporting the hours I've worked) in exchange. He mock-yelled at me for this once - not because he didn't want me using his printer, but because he didn't understand why I thought I had to "pay" for it! He says he figures us using the printer, copier, whatever is just a perk of the job. (He's so nice!) Anyway, the long printouts I take with me on trips, or when I know I'm going to be sitting for a while, like when my daughter's at the orthodontist. They come in handy! Becky rbain@uswest.net "People say that life is the thing, but I prefer reading." - Logan Pearsall Smith ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:01:08 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Add on question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yvonne wrote: > Wow, Jude! I'm impressed with your reference list. -----LOL! But don't be impressed. They just sit there and mock me when my idea well runs dry. A-A-A-R-R-G-H! Jude ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:05:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: OT: technical problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roseann, thanks! Now I'm know I'm not a complete computer nincompoop. I'm getting the message that I should go back to saving to disc in text. Still don't know why this particular story won't copy and save to Word like everything else seems to. Thanks again. Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: Roseann Buonadies To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: Re: OT: technical problems > In a message dated 9/3/2000 3:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes: > > << 2. I've tried repeatedly to copy my story The Circle Game from the Archive > to my Word program so that I an have a copy of what actually was archived. > Every time the same thing happens. It will only copy through the poetry > quote, 2 or 3 pages short of the end, and it copies in italics. I've tried > copying just the end by itself, but it won't copy. I've had no problems > copying anything else from the archive, stories much longer than mine. > Anybody have any suggestions? > >> > > Jude, I tried this also and you're right -- when you copy your story from the > archive into Word 2000, it comes through in italics and stops at the poetry. > Go figure. However, when I saved your story as text, it was complete and I > was able to access it through Word. > > Roseann > > > Roseann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:04:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting question, Christy! It's been especially relevant to me lately, 'cause I've had a terrible time creating my preferred environment. I like to write on the computer, in a dead quiet room. I can't have the television on at all (which is why it drives me nuts to have hubby watching a video) and music generally makes me want to sing, not write. I have some success with playing familiar music in headphones to drown out the sound from the video he's watching, but that only works if I have a really good idea of what I want to say. When I'm blocked, I have a very low tolerance for distractions. I can write e-mail or message board posts while my kids are playing in the room, but it's hard for me to concentrate on writing fanfic (although if inspiration strikes, I will manage to get it down, as long as no one's screaming or bleeding ;) The part I love about writing fanfic is the times when the words are literally pouring out of my fingers, almost without making any stops in my consciousness and when I look up, an hour's gone past. I can't do that while being interrupted fifteen times... On another topic ... I read fanfic from the screen, most of the time. I read very quickly (and my printer is slow), so when I try printing out stories I invariably find that I've finished reading them before they finish printing. Favorite stories are saved in directories where I can find them, and I don't have any more paper cluttering up my desk and stuffing up my desk drawers. Besides, when I'm out and about I'm usually looking after two kids, which leaves me no time for reading :) -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "SF had opened a whole new world to her. A galaxy, a universe of new worlds. While the other little girls had played with Barbie dolls, Sherrine played with Lummox and Poddy and Arkady and Susan Calvin. While they went to the malls, she went to Trantor and the Witch World. While they wondered what Look was in, she wondered about resource depletion and nuclear war and genetic engineering. Escape literature, they called it." --_Fallen Angels_ by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Michael Flynn ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:23:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: Love of language MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yvonne: I loved the quote. Writers who don't love and respect the language should just work on an assembly line. Everything else you said was so beautifully expresses that I couldn't add a thing. To answer your questions: ? Is it a tool; a > means to an end? -----It's a tool I use to construct moments of beauty, emotion and truth. (I hope) > Do you enjoy experimenting with it? -----Oh, yes, What a rush when something that seems new and creative happens! > Do you rush to the > dictionary when you come across an unfamiliar word, or do you skate over > it? -----Couldn't ignore it if I tried. Gotta add it to my personal lexicon. >Do you enjoy trying out different approaches to your story-telling, or > have you found a technique that works for you and you're happy to stick > with it? -----We all tend to fall into patterns, but doing the same thing over and over would be boring. Thanks for reminding me of why I love to do this. Jude ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:14:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: kubitc Subject: Re: Love of language & Writing References Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great quotation and great question, Yvonne. >> Is it a tool; a means to an end? I think language is both a means to an end, and an end in itself. Language allows you to best express yourself, but IMO there is also a beauty of language which is not necessarily reliant on meaning. I'm not sure if this makes sense, but the best example I can give is my favorite poet, Gerard Manley Hopkins. The language in his poems is extraordinary that it functions not only to relay his meaning, but also to make really beautiful sounds. I've read poems of his where he has made up words, and others where he places accents after words to indicate where the stress of the line should be. >> Do you enjoy experimenting with it? When I'm writing my best, yes. If I'm having a really sub-par day, writing wise, then fooling too much with the language can distract me from things like plot and character. I can usually tell when I'm having a bad writing day, so I highlight sections and rewrite for language on a better day. >> Do you rush to the dictionary when you come across an unfamiliar word, >>or do you skate over it? I have to look it up. One of my mom's pet peeves when we were young was having to define words for us; she insisted we look them up for ourselves, and now I'm stuck doing that >>Do you enjoy trying out different approaches to your story-telling, or >> have you found a technique that works for you and you're happy to stick >>with it? I like to experiment, but not too much because I'm afraid of losing the voice I think I've developed so far Last year I took a fiction writing course where I got some really great ideas in terms of writing styles and story-telling approaches. I have one I'd really like to try, but I need to find the correct story for it. >Writers, do you find that certain reference works are indispensable as you >write? What do you rely on? Or do you rely on your beta-readers and editors? I have a few reference books I keep on my desk, but most have been stored in boxes all summer (the hazards of being a nomadic student ;) I have a dictionary and thesaurus, as well as a book on Superman history. I also keep nearby some of my favorite authors' works; I find that I am very easily influenced by other people's writing styles. If I read something in a style that I don't enjoy, I have to read at least a little by an author whose style I *do* enjoy, just to get the taste out of my mouth, I guess I'm always on the look-out for new reference books; just yesterday I bought the All New Family Medical Guide to Health & Prevention, which lists various diseases, medications, and symptoms. It may sound strange to some, but diseases and medicine have always fascinated me, and I read much of it on the way home from the bookstore! I love bookstores and one of my favorites is Borders Outlet, which sells Borders's overstocks, etc. (Having to spend ~$100 per textbook for schoolbooks, I'm always glad to find a deal on the for-fun books I buy ;) Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu "I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free." -Michaelangelo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:31:30 +0930 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jill Kaye Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Those of you who are set to MAIL (receive each post), what did you get with >the test2 post? > >Farah sent out a .doc attachment which was rejected, but the .txt file seemed >to go through. On the website, it just got added to the bottom of the post >with no problem, but I have a feeling that it probably came through as an >attached file for those set to MAIL. True? > >The problem we are having is that we can't seem to get it to reject all >attachments. We can get it to reject all but .txt files (that's what we've >gotten it to now, or so we think), but we can't seem to get rid of .txt. > >*But* at least it's currently set to weed out all that HTML junk. I'm >tempted to send out a .jpg, just to test it ... but everyone would probably >freak out. ;) > >Kathy Yep, I received it as an attached file. ~Larissa~ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 04:12:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Add on question Jude asked: >>>So, okay gang, what are your favorite 'crutches'?<<< Well, I'd echo some of Yvonne's list, and I also find www.alltheweb.com a very useful and fast search engine. Other than that - and I know this isn't quite what Jude meant - my indispensable 'crutches' are my invaluable beta- readers and friends (and they know who they are). Also this list and the message boards. Wendy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 03:21:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Brown" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:16 AM Subject: From List Mom - Re: test2. > Those of you who are set to MAIL (receive each post), what did you get with > the test2 post? I received an attachment labelled att.txt > > Farah sent out a .doc attachment which was rejected, but the .txt file seemed > to go through. On the website, it just got added to the bottom of the post > with no problem, but I have a feeling that it probably came through as an > attached file for those set to MAIL. True? For me it did. > > The problem we are having is that we can't seem to get it to reject all > attachments. We can get it to reject all but .txt files (that's what we've > gotten it to now, or so we think), but we can't seem to get rid of .txt. > > *But* at least it's currently set to weed out all that HTML junk. I'm > tempted to send out a .jpg, just to test it ... but everyone would probably > freak out. ;) You're probably right. I'd suggest trying it just for fun, but someone'd probably threaten terrible things (possibly even Nan!! lol!) > > Kathy > Tara ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 03:39:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: OT: A promise I made at LAFF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, while I was at LAFF, someone said they wanted to read ToC in its = entirety and I told her I'd email it to her 'cause I wasn't sure when = I'd be sending it to the archive. I feel like an idiot now because I = can't remember who it was. Could that person please step forward and = identify herself? Thanks! Senior Master Sergeant StarKitty Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri (at www.stargatesg-1.com) starkitty__@hotmail.com "Because you can't cotton to evil. No sir. You have to smack evil on = the nose with the rolled-up newspaper of justice and say, 'Bad evil. = Bad, BAD evil.'" - The Tick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 06:38:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: Add on question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Writers, do you find that certain reference works are > indispensable as you write? What do you rely on? Or do you rely on your > beta-readers and editors? This is going to ruin my reputation ... but I hardly use any reference works; I tend to hate doing any kind of research (the hangover of high school english classes, I suspect). I did finally buy myself a dictionary that I keep on my desk (a paperback Websters) and while I read grammar books for fun I don't refer back to them much. For anything that I miss, I rely on my beta-readers (Chris M. is a librarian, which means that she *loves* research, so I'm ecstatic to leave it to her ;) and this list -- asking questions here is a great way to find out how much Siberian tigers weigh, just for instance ;) Oh, and I have a Bible handy for off-topic flame wars :D I have a small bookcase sitting on my desk, but it's mostly filled with my collection of books by Lois McMaster Bujold; those are too great to risk losting track of in with all my other books... :) -- Pam Jernigan / ChiefPam / jernigan@bellsouth.net http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam http://personal.rdu.bellsouth.net/~jernigan/ "SF had opened a whole new world to her. A galaxy, a universe of new worlds. While the other little girls had played with Barbie dolls, Sherrine played with Lummox and Poddy and Arkady and Susan Calvin. While they went to the malls, she went to Trantor and the Witch World. While they wondered what Look was in, she wondered about resource depletion and nuclear war and genetic engineering. Escape literature, they called it." --_Fallen Angels_ by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Michael Flynn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 06:57:24 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: Love of language MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christy wrote: <> Yes, it does. Sometimes you get lost in the magic or the sound or the rhythm of a writer's words and they slide around your mind, enhancing meaning, I think. The same can work for ugliness, too, which can be beautiful. Does that make sense? These words sometimes linger, colouring the way I might look at something during the day. Some years ago I took several art courses (can't paint, either, guys ) which introduced me to the idea of positive and negative space and for the longest time, whenever I was driving, I would see everything in those terms. It was visually so exciting (although a little distracting) Language is like that, too, with its postive and negative spaces. Do you hear an author speaking when you read? I find that the voices of the few author's I've actually heard stay with me when I'm reading their books. Yvonne asked, <> Yes -- it's a great game. But sometimes with disastrous results. I spent so much time on the opening paragraph of one fanfic. I reread that paragraph the other day and I cringed. There are others, too. Do other writers have paragraphs like that -- ones you wish some kind person had told you to scrap now before any further damage was done? Carol ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 07:21:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: John Debbage <106532.433@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: posting feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Since we've just had this thread on the list about posting comments on stories in the Archive and as I find my time at home very restrictive re computer time, I've decided to post my fdk back to the list and hope that= the writers will read it and not object. I know I'm a little late with these, but I'm a little late with most things in my life just now.:) I also don't intend to give away any spoilers, but just in case. * * * s p o i l e r s p a c e * * * First Tank's 'A Future Restored' I enjoyed this story and its sequels very much. Tank, you took a difficu= lt subject (one which I was not, in the beginning, very comfortable with ) a= nd made it very plausible and very acceptable. I found myself very interest= ed in Clark and this alt-Lois and all the twists and turns and highs and low= s you put them through. Most of all I loved watching Clark come to terms with his grief and find away back to life and to love. Normally I don't enjoy 'deathfics' or stories where Clark ends up with someone other than 'his' Lois, which just goes to prove that preconceived notions of which type of fic I enjoy can be very wrong. I'm glad that I embarked on this series and stayed with it to the end; you gave us quite a trip but the ending was everything I hoped for. ***** Becky Bain's 'Ad Astra Per Aspera' This story is also in the same category as Tank's, one which I didn't thi= nk I would read as Lois ends up with someone other than Clark, but I loved Becky's 'Timeless' so I couldn't not read it. I found this, however, to = be a very beautiful story. It was written with such empathy that I could understand the circumstances in which our couple were kept apart and be glad that they had managed to go on with their lives and reach happiness or, in Clark's case, a certain amount of contentment, knowing that he was= fulfilling his destiny. That said I did read it with a handkie clutched = in my hand and a lump in my throat; not that I'm complaining, I love a good 'weepy' and part of my heart ached for Lois & Clark when they said goodby= e for all time. Thank you, Becky for such a lovely story. ***** Well those are my thoughts on two stories which I found very enjoyable. = Sorry it's not contentious or even discussion provoking. But one of the things I love about writing is getting fdk and I was feeling a bit guilty= about the fact that I hadn't sent any to these authors. I know they're a= re still some stories which I haven't commented on but hope to get round to that as soon as possible. Also, regarding the question of answering feedback, I try to do this as much as I can but lately I've been very bus= y with RL so if I've missed someone out, please forgive me. I do appreciat= e every message I receive whether they be long and involved or just the 'lo= ve the story' kind. Yours Jenni Debbage = ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 06:18:51 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jeanne Bennett Subject: Re: test2. In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20000903163245.00686bcc@sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit got 2 attachments one ATT.txt (92B) other ATT00005.txt(122B) Jeanne ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 07:24:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: John Debbage <106532.433@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Love of language & writing ref MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Funny you should ask this Yvonne, because I had a similar discussion with= Laurie Dunn when I was on holiday. I love the sound of language; to me words *are* like music, they can soun= d beautifully put together or they can sound discordant. So in that case, = I suspect words are a tool, just as musical insturments are a tool for playing music, if used by a talented creator they can make magic. When I write I always try to create the sound in my head, and it doesn't always have to be pleasant; as in Red Sky when Solvan was erupting I did = go for discord. But I always think that if I get the sound of the language right then people will be able to see the story. I'm not sure if I alway= s succeed, but I do try. Often when I'm driving or walking the dog certain phrases will come into = my head regarding the scene I'm currently writing and I'll know that it just= sounds right. I commit it to memory and then whenever I can I switch on the computer and type it out. I think I learned my love of language from reading; I've been an avid reader since I was a very small child. When I got my first history book,= which was supposed to last for the term, I devoured it in two days; which= also I suspect might have something to do with my love of history. Since= then I have gone through so many books of all genre. But having read so much, I find I have a vast amount of words stored in my head, which I mig= ht say, I don't always remember what they mean. Sometimes I find myself typing them because they sound right and then I have to scuttle and look them up in the dictionary to make sure I have used them in the correct concept. The only other writing aid I use is a little digital thesaurus,= which my husband bought me when I began writing L&C; very helpful in finding these words that just 'escape' me. It's very annoying when I sit= in front of my screen and the word I'm looking for is just on the tip of = my tongue (or in this case fingers). Well I suspect that I've bored you all enough with this but I just had to= comment on this post. BTW if anyone is interested, I've finished Red Sky, so I will be posting = it as soon as I hear from all of my beta-readers and make a few corrections.= = Sorry to have kept you waiting. Yours = Jenni Debbage ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 07:38:57 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Love of language & writing ref MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/04/2000 7:32:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 106532.433@COMPUSERVE.COM writes: << BTW if anyone is interested, I've finished Red Sky, so I will be posting it as soon as I hear from all of my beta-readers and make a few corrections. Sorry to have kept you waiting. >> 'bout time. ;) --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:33:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment Great question, Christy!!! Until several days ago I had not really given much thought to writing environment. Then I packed up for a two week visit to my mother's house to nurse her through some surgery. I envisioned this as a wonderful time to start on a new story. WRONG!!!!! And for many reasons: The physical environment is totally different. Aside from the ergonomic keyboard (which I am finally getting used to), her desk and chair are completely different from mine. The chair is the big problem. Hers is a little computer chair without arms; mine is a big executive-type chair with arms and a high back and a lumbar cushion that I've added. I've always been at my creative best (with any project) late at night. That's when I seem to do my best writing when at home. I write on the computer, usually using a handwritten outline that's a scribbled mess only decipherable by me! I gave up trying to write if anyone else was at home because the interruptions are too annoying and made me lose my train of thought. So I write when I'm alone in the house or when everyone else is asleep. I like quiet, but sometimes I will put a CD in my computer that's called "SPA" -- it's very quiet, soothing music like my massage therapist plays when she is working on me. That helps get the juices flowing sometimes and/or gets me in a calmer frame of mind. So, I don't know if I'll get this story written or not while I'm at mom's house! I've done a grand total of 4 pages in about as many days. She's pretty helpless right now -- one-handed because one arm is in a sling -- and I've have constant interruptions during the day and evening. I'm not complaining, mind you; she nursed me through chicken pox, measles, mumps, colds, tonsilectomy, childbirth, hysterectomy and all the other things I've forgotten, so it's the least I can do! I'm just grateful to have the flexibility to do it. It's the advantage to being self-employed and having older children and a husband who is oh so understanding. As for reading, I usually download to my hard drive and read off the screen. I wear progressive trifocals (yes, Ann, middle-age is such fun) which work much better with computer screens than standard bifocals. My big desk chair at home makes the onscreen reading easy too. I was reading here last night and got really stiff because I don't have the lumbar support. The only thing I ever print out is my own work in progress and the feedback I get from my editors. Those too usually end up as a scribbled mess with areas highlighted in various neon colors and notes in the margins in various colors as well. Enough of my rambling. I didn't sleep well last night -- another difference! Her spare room mattress is terrible! ~~~~~~~~~~~SuperMom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:49:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: Add on question I'm impressed as well with your reference library. Perhaps the caliber of my writing would increase if I bought some of those! I generally rely on the grammar and spell check in MS Word, along with the thesaurus. For online reference, I usually just go to Yahoo and do a search and go wherever that might lead me. Also, I have a Merriam-Webster dictionary on CD that is published by Zane Publishing. But most importantly, like so many of the others, I utilize the volunteered efforts of beta-readers. They help not only with grammar, punctuation, and spelling, but have also helped when I was stuck in the middle of a plot or at a loss for the perfect word or phrase. I've also found that chatting with them and tossing ideas back and forth is very helpful. I've done that on both IRC and AIM. LabRat and I did that a week or so ago when I started developing the idea for my current story. I found out she was in rather the same predicament as I was -- not sure how to set up the whole premise and make it believable. So we brainstormed a little, got rather silly at times, and both came away with some great ideas. Then I repeated the process with Wendy (of course she needs no help :^) ) but she sure helped me. And then Ann and I were on AIM a day or so ago and I worked through a few more issues. Quite importantly, these little chats give me enouragement, since I sometimes feel like my life's quote should be "Oh me of little faith"! I'm rambling again -- the effects of a poor night's sleep. (See message under writing environment!) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:24:17 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/3/00 9:14:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rbain@USWEST.NET writes: << One I haven't used much in the year I've had it, but which I love owning, is called "Body Trauma: a writer's guide to wounds and injuries". It's written by a doctor and approaches injuries from a writer's point of view - if you need your character to be conscious, in great pain, and need surgery, how can you hurt him? This'll tell you. >> This sounds awesome. Where do we get copies? Ann ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:44:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: From List Mom - Re: test2. OK, OK, I got it, I got it. You all got it as an attachment. This may be where we will have to sit. The only attachments that supposedly can come through will be text files -- which hopefully would contain no viruses, etc. But it is still against the rules to send them, so it's not like anything has changed. The settings did say "attachments=no" but the listserv was still letting them through, so we're at a loss. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 08:55:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Another Question: Writing Environment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Writing environment? Aaargh! My computer is in the family room, about seven feet from the smaller television, and right next to the living room, where the twins spend practically every moment of their spare time (or so it seems) playing video games on the big television. I get most of my writing done in the morning when everyone is alseep or off in school, which starts tomorrow--woohoo! In the evening after dinner, I often have to take a notebook and pen and head for the relative quiet of the bedroom if I want to write. Unfortunately by then I'm often so tired that I get a paragraph or two done and fall asleep (sigh). I wrote one story (not LnC fanfic, unfortunately) of over 500 kb that way, and the plot, and first and second drafts between them took me almost 2 years to finish. The story turned out to be one of my best, but it sure took a long time to finish. Nan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:28:04 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: negative feedback (was RE: Slow list? [Long]) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/31/00 12:27:49 AM !!!First Boot!!!, kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes: << As for commenting on stories already on the Archive, yes, they may be considered completed by their authors and for that reason, an author may not be interested in editing (grammar, punctuation, etc.), but that *doesn't* mean the author doesn't deserve to know what the reader reaction was. Where is it written that once a story is sent to the Archive, it is off limits for anything other than 100% positive feedback? You never send a private email to an author telling them what you liked and didn't like about a story? >> Sure have and gotten great responses from the authors, but that's not the same as suggesting that something be changed. I wanted to know if I wrote and said - hey this can't happen (I know this is a fantasy fiction so anything can happen and does but bear with me here) - Is that something the author would want to hear and something he or she would be able to do something about or would it be a futile, potentially hurtful exercise? So my real question is: are the stories ever pulled and then reposted? And more important, is that a lot of trouble for the listserv to deal with? Charlotte - yes I'm still learning. Hey I'm been learning all my life and have no intention of stopping now. Being a reference librarian is the best job in the world because you get paid to learn about an entire world of fascinating topics. And who (OT - so ignore if you wish) lately had been studying the historical and mythological background of demons and devils and evil in general in literature, folklore, religion, psychology, etc. YESSS!!!) Continuing: RE Commenting on Archive Stories. Thank you Wendy for pointing out the importance of criticism on a 'finished' story. I didn't think of it that way, but you are absolutely right. PS - Re: Debby - I can't believe I did that again - must be some form of memory loss - Geesh. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:28:48 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Crossovers (Was Re: What is your favourite type of story?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/00 4:31:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!, mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM writes: << Now I realize that this is not a representative cross-section of the list but I am begining to suspect that I picked one of the hardests kinds of story to sell to a not quite hostile audience. >> Wooo, fella! (re Dan Scardino) Wait up there James. I have never seen 7 days, but so far I am loving your crossover I just take the characters in the same way I would any add-on character made up by an author and any imaginative scenario - which BTW is what fiction is all about in the first place. So change your total - my vote is for all kinds of goooood stories including crossovers. <> So hurry up and finish it. Don't let an opportunity like this pass you by. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:29:44 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Crossovers (Was Re: What is your favourite type of story?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/00 1:54:18 PM !!!First Boot!!!, TankW1@AOL.COM writes: << There is a current comic book storyline going on in a DC prestige miniseries that pits Superman against the Terminators. I haven't purchased it because I'm waited for it to be collected into a trade paperback. Tank >> Actually Tank, DC does a lot of that sort of crossover. Interesting that they call them elseworlds. Some are good, some horrendous, but I read them all. They don't provide a 'Tank Ending' warning so I can't duck them until it's too late (BG) Anyhow Superman vs.The Terminator was one of the better ones, for one reason because Lois Lane plays a big part in this one. YEAAAAHHHH! Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:30:02 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Another question - How do you write? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, here's my 'How to (not?) write fiction. I generally start by plotting it out in my head (I don't call myself Daydreamer80 for no reason) usually while walking - this would be a good thing if I only wrote more - oh well. Then I write a brief account of what was in my head on paper, transcribe it to the computer, rereading and fleshing it out as I transcribe. Then I print the section (some paperless society), read the paper copy to edit it, grammatically and for content and especially for inserts that I see are needed. I will often rearrange scenes and parts at this point for better flow. Then it's back to the computer to finish the section. Then I go to the composing in the head stage, again, etc. The process is is not linear. I usually had an idea where I want to go, but often not how to get there. That comes as the story develops in it's haphazard way. One thing I do though and that is write the final scene AFTER everything else. I think it's because this is where I make everything come out the way I want it to and frankly I don't know how that is going to be until I get there. The title comes after the story is finished - not because I don't think it's important but because it has to fit the story so the story must come first. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:38:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment Regarding "Body Trauma: a writer's guide to wounds and injuries" ... Please don't tell Tank how to get a copy. He wreaks havoc enough without having a guide! Just kidding, Tank. We love your stories. And I'm waiting for your ending to Wendy's latest challenge. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:50:38 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Becky Bain Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment In-Reply-To: <6d.8e4aec1.26e518a1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I said, regarding reference books: ><< One I haven't used much in the year I've had it, but which I love > owning, is called "Body Trauma: a writer's guide to wounds and > injuries". and Ann said: >This sounds awesome. Where do we get copies? It's a Writer's Digest book, part of their Howdunit series. Go to: http://www.writersdigest.com/catalog/index.htm And click on either "Writer's Reference" or "Howdunit". They can also educate you about weapons, poisons, hospitals and ERs, police procedure, etc., etc., etc. Becky rbain@uswest.net "People say that life is the thing, but I prefer reading." - Logan Pearsall Smith ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:02:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Judith Williams Subject: Re: lanother question on love of writing. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol and Jenni have written so eloquently on this topic. No wonder their stories are so great. I am impressed by how many of us learned to read early and 'listen' for the sound of music in the words. I am wondering how many of you 'spoke' early also? Did you begin saying words earlier than most babies, and did you put words together in sentences sooner than the norm and were your sentences pretty complete from the beginning? Not much in the way of baby talk? And were you singing by age 2 or 3? These are indicators of verbal precariousness and might predict an interest in writing. They do apply to me and wonder if others share them. I'm not saying this to boast in any way. It was my 'gift'. When you gain, you give up something. I wish I could add a column of numbers and be certain that the answer is correct. The question was asked, 'Do you hear the author's voice' when you read or write? When I'm reading or writing L&C, I hear the characters' voices from the TV show. When I used to read novels, I would picture the characters and give them voices. Now I listen to these on tapes from the Library for the Blind and some of the readers are really talent challenged. They're better than computer voices, though. Marginally. Enough, already. Jude ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:25:31 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: negative feedback (was RE: Slow list? [Long]) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed OK, so I'm still way behind on reading posts on this list, but when At 08:49 AM 31/08/2000, Kathy Brown wrote: >As for commenting on stories already on the Archive, yes, they may be >considered completed by their authors and for that reason, an author may not >be interested in editing (grammar, punctuation, etc.), but that *doesn't* >mean the author doesn't deserve to know what the reader reaction was. Where >is it written that once a story is sent to the Archive, it is off limits for >anything other than 100% positive feedback? You never send a private email >to an author telling them what you liked and didn't like about a story? I was reminded of something which I used to do when I was on teaching rounds (aka teaching pracs aka being a student teacher) (yes, I have an English teaching degree, but I've never actually used it professionally) I know there are other English teachers on this list and they might find this idea useful: I ran a programme for year 8 or 9 English students (say ages 13-15?), over a whole term (say 8-10 weeks or so). The first part involved having the kids choose anything they had read (didn't have to be a book, could be a magazine article, or a comic book etc) and write down three things a)that they liked about it, b) that they disliked and c) how they would change what they disliked to make it better. (This was to teach them a bit about editing or book reviews etc. The next stage had the kids planning a letter and writing to the author (or for a magazine article, to the editor) using the points they worked out in part 1. I would provide airmail postage - as most publishers and/or authors are based overseas from me, I'd come prepared with a packet or two of airletters for the students to use, after the draft letters had been checked by me, but also with regular postage. The kids had to find out for themselves where the letter should be posted to (for a magazine it was easy enough, I'd show them where to find it in the indicia; for books, they'd have to find the publisher's name, and if there was an address in Australia. Don't forget that this was way before the days of the internet, and it was not so easy to find overseas publishers' addresses as it would be now!) I'd take care of posting all the letters out, which took us to around half way through the term, or slightly less. Usually by the end of term, at least some of the students would have had letters back from the authors or editors. That was always a thrill for them, and me! (I guess I should mention that some of the authors who wrote back displayed their ignorance of all things non-American, much to the enjoyment of the students ) Hopefully someone out there will find this idea useful at some stage! Jen PS No, I didn't have this idea used on me when I was a kid; I thought of it myself, based on the pleasure I got when I wrote a letter to Elliot Maggin, author of Superman: Last Son of Krypton, and he wrote back to me! jenerator@free.net.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (8) and Megan (5) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:24:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: OT: A promise I made at LAFF In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:39 AM 04/09/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Ok, while I was at LAFF, someone said they wanted to read ToC in its entirety and I told her I'd email it to her 'cause I wasn't sure when I'd be sending it to the archive. I feel like an idiot now because I can't remember who it was. Could that person please step forward and identify herself? Thanks! Tara, I wasn't at LAFF :( so I wasn't the person, but I would love it if you could send it to me... Pretty please? Thanks! Melisma (under her rock, up to her eyeballs in unread fic but still wanting more) Visit my rock at http://www.intergate.ca/personal/melisma/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:22:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: kubitc Subject: Re: Love of language Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since so many of you love language, I thought you might appreciate this... If you go to dictionary.com and click on "Word of the Day," you can sign up to receive a new word (with full definition and examples of its use) by email once a day. The words are quite diverse, and I've started to keep a list of good words, so the next time I can check my list instead of just the thesaurus. I just wish I'd heard of the list before I took the GRE! Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu "I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free." -Michaelangelo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:36:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Clarissa Kent Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everybody, I'm having a problem with my email address and can't read any new messages (which total up to about 400). Until I have the problem resolved I have to signoff from the list, but I can't confirm because I can't get my email messages. So, I was wondering, how do I sign off?? Clarissa ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:46:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Clarissa Kent Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: Re: Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, the problem is fixed. I'm soo sorry! I guess I panicked. But I called my ISP and they sorted everything out, so I'm fine. I'm really sorry, I disrupted the list, it will never happen again! I swear! Clarissa ( who is very red-faced) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:49:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't worry about it. Everyone has problems with their email from time to time. We're very understanding about that here :) It's nice that you got the problem fixed so quickly, too. Tara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clarissa Kent" To: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Help > Okay, the problem is fixed. I'm soo sorry! I guess I panicked. But I > called my ISP and they sorted everything out, so I'm fine. I'm really > sorry, I disrupted the list, it will never happen again! I swear! > > Clarissa ( who is very red-faced) > Senior Master Sergeant StarKitty Team: SG-6 - Search/Rescue Unit: Sorcerers of the Tau`ri (at www.stargatesg-1.com) starkitty__@hotmail.com "Because you can't cotton to evil. No sir. You have to smack evil on the nose with the rolled-up newspaper of justice and say, 'Bad evil. Bad, BAD evil.'" - The Tick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:31:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Help On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:36:46 -0400, Clarissa Kent wrote: >Until I have the >problem resolved I have to signoff from the list, but I can't confirm >because I can't get my email messages. I'm glad you have it all fixed now, but for future reference, you don't need to confirm a signoff -- only the subscribe. That's so no one else can subscribe your address without you knowing it. But a signoff can be done without confirmation. Also, if you visit the website for this listserv: http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html you will see the option for "join or leave the list". You can do that from your browser, and don't need your email program at all. Kathy List Mom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:03:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: negative feedback (was RE: Slow list? [Long]) On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:28:04 EDT, Charlotte Fisler wrote: > I wanted to know if I wrote >and said - hey this can't happen (I know this is a fantasy fiction so >anything can happen and does but bear with me here) - Is that something the >author would want to hear and something he or she would be able to do >something about or would it be a futile, potentially hurtful exercise? 'Hurtful' depends on how you give the feedback. I think there is a big difference between expressing your opinion on something or pointing out where something doesn't make sense to you, and telling the author "this is stupid; you better change it or your story will suck!" For example ... "I was a little confused by one point, though. Early on, you had Clark tell Lois that he knew nothing about kids, yet later in the story, Clark was an expert." "I did notice one thing that didn't sound right, though. When the bank robbers shoot the woman, Superman saves her instead of going after them, which I understood. But do you really think Superman would tell the police to go away when they arrived? That didn't make any sense to me, why Clark wouldn't let the police to investigate the crime. Did I miss something here? That doesn't seem like Superman at all." "I liked the way you wrote Perry's dialog; I think you hit the way he talked exactly! But I don't agree with the way he was treating Alice -- do you really think he'd tell her to her face that the newspaper was more important than she was? Isn't he trying to win her back at this point?" I just made all these examples up; they don't belong to any particular story. But I hope you can see what I mean when I say asking questions, even about a completed fic, does not have to be futile or hurtful. When done politely, and with compliments given for what you did like about the story, I see only positives. If nothing else, it gives the author the heads up that they need to do a better job at catching those problems in the next story. Or maybe there really *is* a reason, and you as the reader just missed the explanation. I remember commenting on a story on this listserv last year, and saying that something just came out of the blue for me. Another reader posted back in reply, pointing me to the line that explained things; I had just missed it. Another example: Not too long ago, I wrote an author asking about why she set the story in the part of the year she did. My memory of the episodes she referenced set them in the spring, yet she put her story in the winter. She wrote me back with a detailed explanation of her thinking on that point, tracing her timeline and the clues she pulled from the show to support her choices. It wasn't a "mistake"; it was a conscious difference of opinion. She didn't change my mind, and I didn't change hers. That was never the goal. I wasn't ordering her to change anything, just asking for clarification on something that confused me, and her explanation was interesting. >So my real question is: are the stories ever pulled and then reposted? And >more important, is that a lot of trouble for the listserv to deal with? If an author wants to rework a story on the Archive and resubmit it, that is fine with me. I have had several authors do just that. (Same thing goes for correcting typos, or updating email addresses.) But that is the author's choice. As Wendy (I think) mentioned, not every author would feel the need to change an archived story, even if they ended up agreeing there was a problem. They might just vow to pay more attention in their next story. As for the listserv, we don't pull stories from the website archive -- this is not like the message boards, where we can just go in and delete a single post. If we want to remove a specific post, we have to go in and delete the entire *week* from the listserv archive. It's a pain. But given that most stories on this listserv are not posted here exclusively, and many authors use this listserv as a way to get any final edits before submitting the story to the Archive, I don't see why anyone would even want to pull a story from the listserv. Kathy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:56:11 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: OT:Attachments? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20000902155055.006b87cc@sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Farah, Still catching up here. Hope my feedback on the attachment problem is still useful: The original story sent by Andrew came through to me as text at the bottom of his email (ie not as an attached file). Your email came through with the text file attached. I use Eudora 4.3.1 if this makes any difference from your end Jen At 02:50 AM 03/09/2000, Farah Meitzen Chisham wrote: >I know I set the configuration files to not allow attachments to the list. I >just checked it :). So now, I am doing something none of you should try at >home. I am a professional attachment-death-defying daredevel. I am sooo >sorry if any of you guys have any problems on your end. > >I am sending a very small attachment text file. No viruses or nothing. The >attachment is merely a one liner: "attachments should no be allowed on the >list". > >--- >Farah Meitzen Chisham, horn >US Navy Band, Washington DC jenerator@free.net.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (8) and Megan (5) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 07:13:44 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: Crossovers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wendy thought I might post this to the list -- so: I liked Christy's comment about West Wing & L & C and was very interested in her account of the Janney visit. I absolutely agree that it would be impossible to write a crossover. But-- I can just hear Toby and Sam discussing the first Superman sighting, probably on a road trip to Metropolis during which they are hopelessly lost. And CJ would handle a "Clark is not Superman" press conference so well, even if she'd just had a root canal. I bet Clark met CJ at journalism school when she did a guest lecture -- she was maybe the Lois Lane of that time. He probably had a crush on her. Note her initials, btw. Leo and Perry likely know each other, too. And I know for a fact that Lois dated Josh when she interned at the Washington Post. They fought all the time though. However, the rumour that Lex Luthor financed Pres Bartlett's election is wrong. Can't wait for the new WW season, as you can probably tell. :) Just hope Superman managed to save everyone. Carol ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:36:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Whither 'Tank Endings'? Anyone who frequents the message boards will be familiar with 'Tank Endings.' For those who aren't, the concept is fairly simple: they are short, very tongue-in-cheek endings to fics, usually involving death and destruction on a massive scale, deliberately intended to be as melodramatic as possible. They are, of course, named after their creator, Tank Wilson, he who tries to fool everyone that he prefers stories to be filled with mass WHAMs. There are a lot of these around now, but scattered all over the message boards; they're not all 'death and destruction' either; a couple are Endings which present a bizarre twist to the original story. Since some of them are very funny (yes; think of a spoof disaster movie ;) ), it seems a shame that these will get forgotten. So I wondered whether anyone else thinks that it would be a good idea for these Tank Endings to be collected together and stored somewhere more easily accessible than they are at present. I'd envisage something like a site, or page, containing these Endings, containing links to the story to which each refers. So, first, would anyone else like to see these Endings 'rescued' and stored in one place? Second, where could they be stored? Might the Archive be appropriate? Kathy, could this be akin to another Theme - a Tank Endings section? Is there another possible site? Oh, and I am certainly not suggesting that anyone should have to go through the message board pages to find all of these - though the Index would make that easier. It should be up to authors to submit their Endings for uploading, along with all the appropriate information. Is this a completely off-the-wall suggestion, or does anyone else think it's an idea worth pursuing? Wendy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:22:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marnie Rowe Subject: Re: Whither 'Tank Endings'? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Is this a completely off-the-wall suggestion, or does anyone else think > it's an idea worth pursuing? > > > Wendy > Wendy that is a truely marvelous idea, I think that a section on the archive could be set aside for these marvelous endings, we would have to deal with the not knowing the rest of the fic problem tho....guess that we could have subsections in the 'Tank Ending' section, eg ep Tank endings and Fic Tank endings, and then ppl coud write tank endings to other fics too. Like a Tank ending to 'Congo' Marnie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:36:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Whither 'Tank Endings'? On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:22:11 -0400, Marnie Rowe wrote: > we would have to deal with >the not knowing the rest of the fic problem tho.... That's why I envisaged the section, page, whatever listing the Ending as (for example): A Future Restored, by Tank Wilson - The Tank Ending [Click here to read A Future Restored] ... or something along those lines. Thanks for the support, Marnie! Since you mention the Episode Tank Endings, that reminds me that we also had a couple of dozen Silly Revelations which should also be stored somewhere. Some of those were amazingly good (Marilyn, take a bow!). Wendy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:30:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marnie Rowe Subject: Re: Whither 'Tank Endings'? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes Wendy we should not even think of forgetting the silly relevations they were just too funny, so there we go the Archive is expanded Well there is 2 for now is there any more for and is there(heaven forfend) is there any against? Marnie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:54:18 +0100 Reply-To: LabRat Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Organization: LabRat Subject: Re: Whither 'Tank Endings'? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wendy wrote: > > There are a lot of these around now, but scattered all over the message > boards; they're not all 'death and destruction' either; a couple are > Endings which present a bizarre twist to the original story. Since some of > them are very funny (yes; think of a spoof disaster movie ;) ), it seems a > shame that these will get forgotten. So I wondered whether anyone else > thinks that it would be a good idea for these Tank Endings to be collected > together and stored somewhere more easily accessible than they are at > present. I'd envisage something like a site, or page, containing these > Endings, containing links to the story to which each refers. > Nice idea, Wendy. Currently the Gfic Index includes the Tank Ending along with the story in question. Each story which has a TE attached is listed for instance as 'X: Serialised in 24 parts, including Tank Ending'. Each segment and TE posted to the boards has a direct link from the Index to the post. And they are kept together, under the same entry. So anyone reading a specific fic should be aware when they look it up on the Index that a Tank Ending is available for that particular fic and should have the links there to go directly to both story and TE. That was the only way I could figure out at the time of compiling the data to ensure that TEs were linked to the individual stories as I too thought it was a shame they would be lost among the mbs. Rather than treat each TE as a separate fic, which would have scattered them through the Index, where they would, as you say, have undoubtedly been overlooked, it seemed much better to keep them linked to the fic they were attached to. Where they could be spotted at a glance when a reader found a particular fic. Is this something like you envisaged? Or did you have a much grander idea in mind? Since the Silly Revelations weren't separate posts, but posted in chunks, all together in one thread - I think there were 3 or them weren't there? Or four? I simply listed them in the Index as though they were a story. Again with the direct link to them. Hope this helps. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:06:30 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Whither 'Tank Endings'? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LabRat wrote: > Currently the Gfic Index includes the Tank Ending along > with the story in question. Each story which has a TE attached is listed for > instance as 'X: Serialised in 24 parts, including Tank Ending'. Each segment > and TE posted to the boards has a direct link from the Index to the post. > And they are kept together, under the same entry. So anyone reading a > specific fic should be aware when they look it up on the Index that a Tank > Ending is available for that particular fic and should have the links there > to go directly to both story and TE. [snip] > Is this something like you envisaged? Or did you have a much grander idea in > mind? I knew the Index did that, which is excellent and very helpful. But once a story ends up on the Archive, that's where most people are likely to read it, so they won't see the reference to a Tank Ending. In any case, what I was thinking of was a site, or a section within a site, where as many Tank Endings as are submitted are collected together, with a link to the story which each refers to. Therefore someone who actually wants to read the Endings could find them all together. Likewise the Silly Revelations; while these are all together on the boards, they're in several separate threads, with comments scattered among the Revelations. It would be good to see these stored together in a permanent location. (Of course the MBs are a permanent location, but not in the same way as the Archive owing to the way in which stories are posted on the boards). Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:55:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Marilyn L. Puett" Subject: Re: Whither 'Tank Endings'? Wendy, I like the idea of the Tank Endings and Silly Revelations being put into separate categories on the Archive. That puts them where they aren't buried among other things. And they rightfully deserve a place of permanent residence; they are legitimate genres in their own right. Marilyn (Who takes a deep bow. Thanks very much for the compliment.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:32:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cindy Leuch Subject: Re: Another Question: writing environment Hello everyone! For my first post to the list, I think I will answer some of the questions that have been floating around: -How do I write? Well, my computer is in the living room area of my apartment, facing away from the TV and most other distractions. I do all my writing there, usually with music blaring through the speakers (I listen to rock, usually, tho other types of music have also been known to be heard playing on my computer). I only write at night - my mind is mush until after noon. When I go on vacations, I bring a legal pad with me, just in case I get an idea - I've been seen scribbling on that notepad on AMTRAK and on I-80, blasting thru Nebraska at 80 miles per hour, but I really REALLY prefer typing to writing longhand, just because I type faster than I can write on paper. I know this will make some people sick, but I don't use any crutches except the thesaurus in MS Word (and even that isn't all that helpful sometimes). I ususally edit my own stuff and don't send things off to beta readers (well, except for Professional Loyalties - THANKS ERIN!). I guess posting to the boards has been my main way of getting feedback. -How do I read fic? On the computer, always. I first discovered the archive last spring wile trying to burn time at the computer labs on campus. I now read stories at school when I have free time, at work, or at home. I don't print them out just because I don't feel like using the resources (save a tree! says the starving college student) - heck, I haven't even printed out my own stories (although I keep meaning to). -While I'm on the topic of fics, what kind do I like best? I admit I'm a sucker for revelation fics, plus I have always been big on the next generation stories (can you tell?). I don't like deathfic or otherwise overly depressing stories (in other words, stories where Lois and Clark don't end up together), and I especially don't like it when the main characters are made to suffer excessively (tho some suffering, in context, is okay). Call me sappy, I don't care. Anything else is fair game. That's all for me (for now). I want to thank everyone who has read/recommended my stories. I think I've managed to reply to all the e-mail that's been sent to me, but if I haven't, I apologize. I'll talk to you all later! Cindy Leuch leuch@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~leuch/homepage.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:03:34 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tank Wilson Subject: Re: Whither Tank endings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks Wendy is giving too much credence to these little pieces of "throw away" fiction. I agree, that many have been written that were funny (most not by me though, darn it) but still they are merely fluff for the moment. I doubt that they would have any validity out of context. I think the index, as Labrat describes it offers more legitimacy to these than they might deserve as it is. Any one who actually wants to access one, could do so from there and have it in context. I'm not sure we need to clutter up the archives with what are essentially jokes. But then no one takes my advice anyway (ie: more whams!) Tank ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:11:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jacalyn Sue Newman Subject: Re: brainstorming an idea In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I have an idea for something that could play a part in one story I'm >working on. The thing is that no matter how I turn the situation around, >I'm not sure it rings true for me. So, here's the deal, I'd like to see if >anyone else comes up with (or has come up with) the same or similar thing . >. . without giving away what I'm thinking about. Here's the prime >question - under what circumstances might Superman and Luthor become true >friends? > >Please note the precise way I worded that because I am not talking about >Clark here. The way I see it, you can't separate the two. Clark may befriend Lex only in the Superman guise, but I always think of him as "Clark." As far as how.... that's not very easy. One option would be if Clark believes he may have an influence on someone "on the edge." I can't see him being friends with a criminal, so he'd have to be ignorant of Lex's true colors --OR befriend him before Lex reached the point where he was when we first met him. You'll have to set this in an alternate reality, regardless. Option 2- I think this is how it was in an older incarnation of Superman's comic book history- Lex and Superman were friends as kids, then it turned sour when an experiment went bad. Supes saved Lex, but destroyed the building in the process. Lex went bald and blamed Supes for it and and the fire and the state of his life from that point on. Don't quote me on this.... it's more of a vague impression of a memory. You might try tracking down Elliot S. Maggin's two books, Last Son of Krypton and Miracle Monday. In both, Superman and Lex have the fragile foundation of a friendship that was and might be again someday. Superman recognized that Lex had a code of ethics, and while it was totally outside anything WE would consider moral, he did stick to his OWN code and Superman gave him credit for that. It was more of a "take it at face value/respect him but don't trust him" relationship than friendship in the truest sense. Still, it was well done and quite believable. Hope that helps. Back to lurking.... Jacalyn S. Newman jacalynsue@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:26:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Whither 'Tank Endings'? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's a cool idea! Most of the Tank Endings I've read are too good for them to be thrown away. Tara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marnie Rowe" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 08:30 Subject: Re: Whither 'Tank Endings'? > yes Wendy we should not even think of forgetting the silly relevations they > were just too funny, so there we go the Archive is expanded > Well there is 2 for now is there any more for and is there(heaven forfend) > is there any against? > > Marnie > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:47:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Whither Tank endings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tank Wilson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 16:03 Subject: Re: Whither Tank endings > Methinks Wendy is giving too much credence to these little pieces of "throw > away" fiction. I agree, that many have been written that were funny (most > not by me though, darn it) but still they are merely fluff for the moment. I > doubt that they would have any validity out of context. > > I think the index, as Labrat describes it offers more legitimacy to these > than they might deserve as it is. Any one who actually wants to access one, > could do so from there and have it in context. I'm not sure we need to > clutter up the archives with what are essentially jokes. > > But then no one takes my advice anyway (ie: more whams!) > > Tank > Sorry Tank, but I think you're outnumbered on this! Besides, nobody seems to mind that I've got a few pieces that could also honestly be called "fluff for the moment". Y'know, those Mary Sue things I did? I'll probably be doing another when I can figure out something to base it on, too. Plus, Tank endings are usually more interesting than my Mary Sue things. Tara ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:57:55 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Crossovers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol, I'm glad you posted this! > I can just hear Toby and Sam discussing the first Superman sighting, probably > on a road trip to Metropolis during which they are hopelessly lost. And CJ > would handle a "Clark is not Superman" press conference so well, even if she'd > just had a root canal. I bet Clark met CJ at journalism school when she did > a guest lecture -- she was maybe the Lois Lane of that time. He probably had > a crush on her. Note her initials, btw. Leo and Perry likely know each > other, too. And I know for a fact that Lois dated Josh when she interned at > the > Washington Post. They fought all the time though. However, the rumour that > Lex Luthor financed Pres Bartlett's election is wrong. ROFL!! And I can also see Lois settling into the Washington press corps like she was born to it, challenging Danny for his position as leader of the press pack and giving CJ a really hard time at press conferences. She's probably a bit jealous, too, that Clark knows CJ; not that she'd ever show it. And Clark, of course, hates Josh but has no plausible reason for it... ;) Sam, with his habit of falling for women whose jobs present a conflict of interest with his own, would be instantly attracted to Lois and compete with Clark for her attention... Yeah, I'm obsessed too... > Can't wait for the new WW season, as you can probably tell. :) Just hope > Superman managed to save everyone. Oh, definitely! Though if someone has to be the tragic fatal victim, Mandy could be spared... Wendy -------------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:08:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "farah@chisham.com" Subject: OT: FROM list manager respond to farah@chisham.com This is regarding spam: I wanted to ask anyone on the list if you have been receiving any spam as of Sept 1, 2000. Please respond privately. Also, include the spam subject and email of said spammer. Thanks. Farah Chisham ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:21:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: Re: OT: FROM list manager respond to farah@chisham.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I guess I shouldn't have been so cryptic. I got some weird message from someone saying that "so and so" who was subscribed to 8 lists on indiana.edu's listserver is an "abuser". I realize that everyone gets spam, but I wanted to see if everyone got the same spam on the same days to members of the list. It doesn't look that way ath the moment and I appreciate you guys' replies. Thanks, Farah ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:35:18 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: kubitc Subject: Lapses in Time Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am currently having some problems with my latest fic, so I have kind of an odd question... Does it bother you if a story includes large lapses in time (i.e., weeks or months are skipped, with relatively little attention)? Writers who have written stories with large jumps in time, what do you think is the best way to account for them? Do you label each section with an approximate date? Do you include time references in the text itself? Have you found any way of avoiding using these jumps (without rearranging the story's timeline)? My problem is that I have a lot of time to account for, and not enough content to put in it. I think the plotline will be complete with the content I have, but it won't fit with a timeline established in the show. (I might end up just forgetting the series timeline, but I'd rather avoid that, if possible.) Thanks. Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu P.S. RE: West Wing, I hear Moira Kelly, who plays Mandy, is leaving the show, so perhaps it will be her character who is sacrificed. "I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free." -Michaelangelo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:51:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith