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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:03:17 -0500
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathybrown91@HOME.COM>
Subject:      Re: Combo post: story ratings,

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:14:31 -0500, Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL> wrote:

>Another possibility would be posting a flag here on the mailing list or
>message boards: "I have a new fanfic at my website. Follow the link to read
>it, and I'd love to hear your feedback." Of course, our list mom (hi
>Kathy!) would have to approve, but I don't imagine that would be a problem.

Not only would it not be a problem, but I think it's a perfect solution. <g>
I would have no problem with someone posting an advertisment for their R-
rated story on this list, providing they alert potential readers to the
subject matter/rating in advance.

I would prefer that people not post ads for NC-17 stories here, however,
because there are already multiple forums set up for that purpose (Debby's
ad
list, Zoom's nfic MB, Demi's nfic listserv).

Thanks,

Kathy
kathybrown91@home.com
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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:09:29 -0500
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From:         Marilyn Puett <no1supermom@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Kerth Ceremony Update

Here's two ideas for commercials:

1.  Clark's Salsa -- comes in mild, medium and superhot.
2.  Olsen's Website Design -- something about surfing the love net
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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:19:56 -0500
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathybrown91@HOME.COM>
Subject:      Re: Pleasing everyone and Whammy stories

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:36:36 EST, Alicia Utowski <Alicia3456@AOL.COM> wrote:

>Okay, I think I have stayed out of this for too long.  I am one of those
>people that has very strict guidelines to what I read.
> #2 Lois
>can not be married to or be having a relationship with Lex.

I'm not sure if you purchased the fanzine last summer, Alicia, but if you
did
and you avoided Sheila Harper's "In The Beginning", go read it!!  Yes, Lois
is married to Lex in the story (the premise -- Clark Kent moves to
Metropolis
exactly one year later than in the show, after which Lois has married Lex
Luthor), but I promise you, you will LOVE this story.   Like Lois in the
pilot, you will break your rules.<g>

(And for those of you who didn't buy the fanzine -- shame on you <g> -- the
authors agreed not to release our stories until one year after the fanzine
was distributed, so you might be able to catch some of these stories this
summer, should the authors re-release them.  I know I plan to release "The
One That Got Away", and I'd bet good money that Sheila will release "In The
Beginning". :))

> #3 I don't read
>nfic, unless I have heard through the grapevine that it is done well, and
>that I would be really missing out if I didn't read it (ex. Kathy's
Winners,

Why, thank you! :D

> When I first found Lois and
>Clark fanfic, one of the first stories I read was Jeagan's When Magnolia's
>bloom... This was back in 96 or 97 when  I was still rather young (15 or
16)
>and I first got the internet... she didnt put a warning on her story, and I
>had nightmares about it for weeks...

Now this is fascinating.  "When Magnolias Bloom" is one of the exactly two
"deathfics" that I have read that left me feeling WAFFy and with a smile on
my face. (The other is Claire's "Dances With Wells", which left me awestruck
by Claire's incredible talent!!  This is a recent addition to the Archive,
and it prompted me to start my Kerth 2001 nominee list in January 2000!)
While some deathfics don't leave me overly depressed (say, those where one
of
them dies after a long, happy life), I never would have believed that
someone
could write one that would make me smile.  I did not find these two stories
depressing at all.

Kathy
kathybrown91@home.com
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Date:         Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:35:20 -0600
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Hello everyone,

I will be running an IRC tutorial on Wednesday, March 14, at 9:30 pm
ET (8:30 pm CT) to help people who are interested in
learning/practicing IRC before the Kerth ceremony.

Once you have downloaded and installed your software (again, I
recommend going to <www.mirc.com> for Windows users, and
<www.ircle.com> for Mac users), connect using an *Undernet* server
and type:

/join #KerthTutorial

This is the command to join a channel (be sure you put the # in front
of the channel name, and don't use a space between the words -- it is
not case sensitive, however.)

If you cannot make it on Wednesday (since it is short notice),
*please* email me and let me know if you'd like me to run another one
on Sunday, March 19.  These are the only two evenings I have
available this week (I'm working Thursday and Friday nights, and
Saturday is the Kerth rehersal), but if there is interest, I will try
to accommodate.

Current IRCers, please come and join us -- I could definitely use
some mIRC experts in the crowd, since I don't use that program. :)

These tutorials have been a great success in the past, and I know
you'll have a great time chatting with other FoLCs.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Kathy
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KathyB on IRC
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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:35:50 EST
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In a message dated 03/15/2000 12:20:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
kathybrown91@HOME.COM writes:

<< I'm not sure if you purchased the fanzine last summer, Alicia, but if you
did
 and you avoided Sheila Harper's "In The Beginning", go read it!!  Yes, Lois
 is married to Lex in the story (the premise -- Clark Kent moves to
Metropolis
 exactly one year later than in the show, after which Lois has married Lex
 Luthor), but I promise you, you will LOVE this story.   Like Lois in the
 pilot, you will break your rules.<g>

 (And for those of you who didn't buy the fanzine -- shame on you <g> -- the
 authors agreed not to release our stories until one year after the fanzine
 was distributed, so you might be able to catch some of these stories this
 summer, should the authors re-release them.  I know I plan to release "The
 One That Got Away", and I'd bet good money that Sheila will release "In The
Beginning". :))>>

no, I didn't buy the fanzine... I don't have $25 to spend when I can get
more
fanfic that I can possibly ever read for free (I only got paid 5.15 an hour
over the summer and have to pay for school books and such, and my parents
cut
off my money supply because I seem to spend too much money on clothes), but
I
will read the story should she release it this summer (but only if I read
the
ending first and I am satisfied with it ;) )

> Now this is fascinating.  "When Magnolias Bloom" is one of the exactly two
> "deathfics" that I have read that left me feeling WAFFy and with a smile
on
> my face. (The other is Claire's "Dances With Wells", which left me
awestruck
> by Claire's incredible talent!!  This is a recent addition to the Archive,
> and it prompted me to start my Kerth 2001 nominee list in January 2000!)

I have a huge problem with death of any kind, maybe it's because I am
immature, so even after a long happy life, death still bothers me (I am the
girl that had to leave my 103 yr old grandpa's funeral because i was so
distraught)... I have never read a deathfic that hasn't depressed me or made
me have nightmares for weeks after... this is probably because I am young
and
idealistic, and the reality of death hasn't really hit me yet (even though I
have had many people that were close to me die)

Alicia
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathybrown91@HOME.COM>
Subject:      IRC Tutorial - Wed, March *15*

Hello again (big posting day for me today <g>),

Sorry, made a mistake in my last post.  The IRC Tutorial will be held
Wednesday, March *15*, at 9:30 pm ET.  (Still tomorrow -- I had just typed
14th by mistake.)

The original message, corrected:

Hello everyone,

I will be running an IRC tutorial on Wednesday, March 15, at 9:30 pm ET
(8:30
pm CT) to help people who are interested in learning/practicing IRC before
the Kerth ceremony.

Once you have downloaded and installed your software (again, I recommend
going to <www.mirc.com> for Windows users, and <www.ircle.com> for Mac
users), connect using an *Undernet* server and type:

/join #KerthTutorial

This is the command to join a channel (be sure you put the # in front of the
channel name, and don't use a space between the words -- it is not case
sensitive, however.)

If you cannot make it on Wednesday (since it is short notice), *please*
email
me and let me know if you'd like me to run another one on Sunday, March 19.
These are the only two evenings I have available this week (I'm working
Thursday and Friday nights, and Saturday is the Kerth rehersal), but if
there
is interest, I will try to accommodate.

Current IRCers, please come and join us -- I could definitely use some mIRC
experts in the crowd, since I don't use that program. :)

These tutorials have been a great success in the past, and I know you'll
have
a great time chatting with other FoLCs.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Kathy
kathybrown91@home.com
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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:55:30 +1100
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From:         Jenny or Joe Stosser <jenerator@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
Subject:      Re: FROM LIST MOM: Language Controversy, "Your Little Secret",
              PG-13 ratings
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At 11:44 PM 14/03/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:05:28 +1100, Jenny or Joe Stosser <
>jenerator@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:
>>I don't know whether non-Jewish people use "G-d" for the full word. The
>>reason we (Jews) are taught to use this, is that if you use the full
>>spelling, it makes the page on which it is printed (screen on which it
>>appears?) holy,
>
>Thanks, Jenny, I didn't know this, and I'm glad you educated me.  I
honestly
>don't know if it was Jewish writers that I have seen do this or not, but
when
>I've questioned it on Archive-submitted stories, not one author has ever
>explained what you just did.  The only explanations I've received was "I
>didn't know if I was allowed to spell it out" or "I feel guilty if I write
>it".  I still hold to my same opinion, though -- if you don't feel
>comfortable using the word, why in the world would you put it in your story
>in the first place?  It seems that if the use bothers you, you shouldn't
>encourage the word by showcasing it.
>
>Kathy
>kathybrown91@home.com

Kathy,
Glad to be of educational service to you and other authors out there <G>.
In comments made by one of my favourite authors (Diana Gabaldon) about her
work, she's been asked why her main character swears when she herself (the
author) doesn't.   She has said something to the effect that just because
SHE doesn't use those words, doesn't mean her characters shouldn't, or
should be prevented from using them (and she has also talked about how her
characters talk to her while she's writing them).
Perhaps writers of L&C fanfic feel that using "G-d" out loud is something
that Lois (or any other character) might do, even if they (the author)
wouldn't themselves.  Oh, and btw, I don't know how other observant Jews
might feel about using the word "god" to refer to a (mythical?) deity, and
spelling it complete, but (obviously) I have no problem with it!

Hope this helps some more!
Jen
jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn
(Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318
Photos of David (7) and Megan (4) on the Stosser Family HomePage:
http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583  Please sign our guestbook!
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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:38:45 +0000
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From:         Wendy Richards <w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:03:17 -0500 Kathy Brown
<kathybrown91@HOME.COM> wrote:

>  I would have no problem with someone
> posting an advertisment for their R- rated story on this
> list, providing they alert potential readers to the subject
> matter/rating in advance.
>
> I would prefer that people not post ads for NC-17 stories
> here, however, because there are already multiple forums
> set up for that purpose (Debby's ad list, Zoom's nfic MB,
> Demi's nfic listserv).

Kathy, not to be awkward, but why make the distinction?
Okay, I admit I'm still having problems getting my
head around the difference between R and NC17 - seems weird
to me to have one classification for 18-year-olds and one
for 17-year-olds. I thought, in any case, that nfic could
be either R or NC17, and that either classification was
welcome on the various nfic message boards, Debby's list
and annesplace?

Wendy
(who finds the UK classification system much easier to
understand: above the 12 age-rating, we have 15 and 18).

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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:48:30 +0000
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:36:36 EST Alicia Utowski
<Alicia3456@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> I need to have that warning at the beginning of stories so
> I can decide whether or not I want to read the stories...
> The only reason I read For the Greater Good was that Wendy
> promised to put her toys back the way she found them...
[snip]

And Alicia, you're not alone in that! We had a discussion
on the subject of deathfics and spoiler warnings over on
the message boards some time ago, and a couple of people
suggested that I shouldn't have put that statement at the
start of FTGG. I would have been quite happy not to (not
being someone who needs to *know* that there is a happy
ending myself), but I knew before I even started posting
the story that some of my potential audience wouldn't read
it otherwise (Hi, Sheila! <g>). So the WHAM warning and the
promise went in.

When it comes to fic, I'll read everything <g> but
obviously there are some stories and story types I like
more than others; and I agree with Genevieve, I do like
long WHAMmy and hurt/comfort stories. I wish there were
more of them! <g>

BUT it's just not possible to please everyone, and that's
evidenced by the wide range of different types of story
around, on the Archive and elsewhere. If people don't want
to read deathfics or stories containing other types of
WHAM, well, there's plenty of other stories around! Though,
Alicia, I do second Kathy's recommendation for Sheila's 'In
the Beginning.' You surely know that Sheila is also known
for 'putting her toys back together,' and if you skip this
story simply because of her starting-point, you'll miss an
excellent fic.

Wendy

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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:14:34 -0500
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You're a Christian?  Awesome!  So am I!
~ Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: James Tull <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM>
To: <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 1:41 PM
Subject: Archive Ratings (was - How real is real)

> If an author gives a story a rating and the GE feels that a stronger
rating
> is required what happens?
>
> Part of the reason I ask this is the current thread and because of some of
> the inconsistancies in the archive.
>
> Case in point.  Bella's Duo Infernale is rated PG and I found that rating
> entirely to low for the story's content.  I didn't even finish reading it
> because it was too much for me to stomach.
>
> Just Curious, James
>
> Also for Kaethel,
> Kaethel wrote:
> >Now with the religious thing, I don't like blasphemy (well, I guess no
one
> likes it <g>), but then I didn't see anything of the sort in "Your little
> secret"... or then I didn't know that "Jesus" or "God" are considered as
> blasphemy.<
>
> It is not names themselves that are problem, it is how they are used.
>
> I personally find it very offensive when someone uses the Lord's name or
> the Father's name in vain.  Even Lois' occasional OMG in the series
> bothered me.
>
> There is a difference between:
> J*s*s. That's cold.
> and
> Oh Jesus give me strength.
>
> Even in the fan fic that my wife and I are working on we are bending over
> backwards in regard to one character's dialog.  This person is a Christian
> and we are trying not to use the Lord's name flippantly.
>
> I also must agree with Sheila H.  The written word is much stronger.  I
> have found that even having my character call upon the Lord sounds stilted
> and hyper religious.  We are trying to be realistic without having him
> sound like some J*s*s freak.  (Though in the DC Talk album titled: Jesus
> Freak the use is quite appropriate.)
>
>
> James, who until he came to know Christ didn't realize just how often he
> used the Lord's name in vain.
>
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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:22:27 +0000
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From:         Wendy Richards <w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Pleasing everyone and Whammy stories
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Sorry to come back again to this thread, but when I replied
to Alicia I hadn't seen Genevieve's post.

FTGG:
> I don't think I ever told you, Wendy -- that was a great
> story.

Thank you!!  :blush

> But there is one thing...
>
> Wendy started the story with the usual disclaimer, and then
> the reassurance statement. [snip] How much stronger
> would the story had been without promise?

Without realising that you'd asked the question, I've
already explained the reason for the presence of that
statement. ;)

> I understand why the labels are there.  I wrote a story
> called "Yet Each Man Kills," and got five people asking my
> "Does anyone get killed in this story?  Because I won't
> read deathfic."

<sigh>  Okay, people are entitled to their preferences. But
YEMK, as I told you at the time, is a terrific story; IMO,
the best in TUFS (along with Sheila's Mxysplit, which
wasn't original to TUFS).

> We don't want to offend anyone.  We don't want to take
> anyone by surprise.  So the labels and the reassurance are
> necessary.  But how often do our labels and categories
> contain spoilers for our stories?

Quite often, and as a GE I'm continually conscious of the
need to provide these 'warnings,' aka spoilers - because
I'm aware of how readers will react. Incidentally, about a
year ago there was a discussion on this list in which it
was suggested that the Archive should go further and
actually label the stories by genre (Revelation, Deathfic
etc). Quite apart from the fact that such a system would
try to force stories which may include a number of elements
into just one category (Meet Me in Kansas City includes a
revelation, but would anyone call it 'just' a revelation
story?), it would also give away elements of plot which the
author might not want to reveal.

[SPOILER ALERT AHEAD for my story 'An Ordinary Man']

s
p
a
c
e

For instance, around that time I'd just posted a story
called 'An Ordinary Man,' in which Lois and Superman are
left to die in a sewer drain. Now, they don't die. But if a
'deathfic' labelling system had been in operation, that
story would not have had a label, thus removing any
possibility of tension once the reader had realised that
our heroes were in this life-threatening situation; and I
didn't want that. (Okay, I copped out with FTGG, but that
was a longer story and the death threat for Clark was there
right from the start). Oh, and it also wouldn't have been
labelled 'Revelation,' and one of my 'teasers' in that
story was the will-he-won't-he when it came to revealing
himself. It's not a teaser any more if the reader knows
it's not going to happen!

s
p
a
c
e

[END OF SPOILER]

However - to come back to the question - because I'm aware
that everyone's reading tastes are different, I'm prepared
to carry on encouraging authors to give warnings or WHAM
alerts where the story's content justifies it.

>
> WENDY:
> > Okay, one of my WHAMmy stories, Without Consent, is nfic;
> > but that's because the initial WHAM involves a theme which
> > is definitely not PG-13. The later emotional angst would
> > probably all be acceptable for a PG-13 rating.
>
> ME:
> Is anything that is not PG-13 automatically nfic?  Nfic is
> 18 and over only, right?  PG-13 is thirteen and under.
> Seems to me we are skipping about six years worth of
> audience.  And don't patronize this audience. There are
> darn few *themes* that are inherently adult.

Actually, I agree with you there, Genevieve, and given that
on this side of the Atlantic (in the UK and Ireland) we
have a 15 age-rating, that thought has occurred to me once
or twice. I should clarify my reference to 'Without
Consent,' though: that scene near the start of the story
would be rated at nothing less than 18 over here, for both
sex and the threat of rape and violence. And since that
scene is essential to what happens next, it's impossible to
edit that story down to PG-13. Whether it could even be
trimmed to... what, R? (I'm still muddled here and I don't
even know what age-range R applies to), I just don't know.

>
> ME:
> A Challenge?  <gulp>  [snip] I'd love
> to finally write this; I've been thinking about it since
> the end of the second season.  Let me see what I can do.
> But, no promises.

Well, whenever you get round to it, I'll be waiting.
Patiently!

Wendy

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Oops, I didn't mean to send that to the whole list....sorry!  Forgive me =
this once, please?
~ Amy

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re: "In The Beginning" by Sheila Harper
>  but I
> will read the story should she release it this summer (but only if I read
the
> ending first and I am satisfied with it ;) )

Alicia, I'll add my voice to Kathy's to reassure you that you will
absolutely *love* this story...  and the ending is completely
satisfactory <bg>

Sounds like you won't like Dances With Wells, though, so do avoid
that... the rest of you, however ... Claire did an incredible job on
that story.  Actually, y'all should check out the version on her
website.  This story is almost more poetry than prose, and on her
website Claire was able to format it more creatively, with a few
well-chosen pictures...
http://www.mindspring.com/~hess2/danceswells.htm
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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 04:40:21 -0800
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Pam, would you mind double-checking that URL?  It
didn't work for me.

Irene

--- Pam Jernigan <jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
<snip> >
> Sounds like you won't like Dances With Wells,
> though, so do avoid
> that... the rest of you, however ... Claire did an
> incredible job on
> that story.  Actually, y'all should check out the
> version on her
> website.  This story is almost more poetry than
> prose, and on her
> website Claire was able to format it more
> creatively, with a few
> well-chosen pictures...
> http://www.mindspring.com/~hess2/danceswells.htm
> --

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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:42:49 +0000
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Forwarding for LabRat, who can't risk posting to the list
herself in case you all get ten copies of her post <g>

Wendy

************
Amy wrote:

Oops, I didn't mean to send that to the whole list....sorry!  Forgive me
this once, please?

I'm sure they will. You ain't the first by any means. <G> I'm not a
Christian myself, but are you aware that someone set up a separate LNC
mailing list specifically for Christian FoLCs? I don't remember who it was,
but I know that it is listed at Onelist, if you want to check it out.

LabRat :) (who thanks Wendy for posting this.)

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In a message dated 3/15/00 8:39:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:

<< http://www.mindspring.com/~hess2/danceswells.htm >>

Pam, this url didn't work for me.....is my server acting up or am I missing
something?
Kate
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Kathy, thanks for organising the tutorial and for posting
the announcement to the MBs as well. There is only one
slight problem, which is that 9.30 pm ET is 2.30 am GMT,
and 3.30 am CET... so not very good for European IRC
newbies on a weeknight. I appreciate that you have other
commitments which make it difficult to suggest another time.

Two questions:

1. Are there IRC newbies in European and
Australian time-zones who would find it difficult to make
this session but want a tutorial?

2. Is there anyone who would volunteer to help out at an
alternative training session? Kathy suggested Sunday
evening her time, but this is also likely to be late on
this side of the Atlantic; and anyway, Kathy shouldn't have
to do it all! What if something was run in parallel to the
Kerths rehearsal on Saturday, when people would be online
anyway - say, around 10pm GMT? I could try to be there
myself, but I'm not confident enough of IRC to be a sole
trainer.

Volunteers welcome!

Wendy
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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:50:49 -0500
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From:         "Terry S. Horowit" <horowit@UMIACS.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: FROM LIST MOM: Language Controversy, "Your Little Secret",
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Jen wrote:
>Perhaps writers of L&C fanfic feel that using "G-d" out loud is something
>that Lois (or any other character) might do, even if they (the author)
>wouldn't themselves.  Oh, and btw, I don't know how other observant Jews
>might feel about using the word "god" to refer to a (mythical?) deity, and
>spelling it complete, but (obviously) I have no problem with it!

Well, here's one more observant Jew who agrees with you anyway.  My humble
understanding is that the word "god" as used to refer to a (mythical?)
deity is not the same concept at all as that undefinable entity (for lack
of a better word) that we are referring to when we use the term "HaShem".
Whether Christians have the same reasoning when they use the spelling
'G-d', I wouldn't presume to try to guess, but the English word 'g-o-d',
IMHO, is just a descriptive noun (or, depending on the usage, exclamation).

BTW, for anyone for whom this is relevant, there are responsa by some
extrmemly knowledgable and respected Orthodox Rabbis who have ruled that
words on a computer screen (similar to a television screen) are not 'real'
and therefore even if the Name were written out in full in Hebrew on the
computer screen, it isn't considered as really 'written'.  (Otherwise, you
wouldn't be able to Web surf or ever turn your computer off!!).  So the
only way the potential could arise to desecrate God's name would be if a
hard copy of the story were printed out.
Terry
P.S. The problem which generated the search for this responsa is mildly
amusing and I would be happy to share it with anyone who wishes to
privately enquire.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:19:42 -0500
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Subject:      Combo Post

Posting this for Labrat...
************
First of all, many thanks to Yvonne for posting this for me. Thanks to my
current server problems, everyone I mail is getting multiple copies of the
email, (had your 14.02 email yet today, Wendy? <G>) so I didn't want to jam
the list. <G>

Kathy wrote:

Now this is fascinating.  "When Magnolias Bloom" is one of the exactly two
"deathfics" that I have read that left me feeling WAFFy and with a smile on
my face.

~~~As someone who doesn't like deathfic either, I have to agree that this is
one of my great exceptions too. It's just so wonderfully waffy that I found
it inspiring. For me, it didn't deal with one of the characters dying, but
with the promise that life - and love - endure after death. Another
uplifting deathfic on my list is A Life Well Spent by Chris Mulder, which
also left me with a smile on my face and a lifting of the spirit and which
I'd thoroughly recommend. ~~~

Genevieve wrote:

I'm desperately trying to get through the Kerth list; just finished Caped
Fear yesterday.  (And where was LabRat when C J. Cherryh signed the
contract to write the L&C novel, I want to know?  That story was
awesome!)

~~~Oh my! And this in the middle of an extremely interesting and thoughtful
post on the current subject of ratings. Thank you, Genevieve for making my
day right off the bat. :) - big smiley face that seems permanently fixed to
my face.~~~

Debby wrote:

I used this basic idea  ("out of character") in my Argh rewrite (available
at
tp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark/Stories). Clark says "Oh my god..." and
all
his friends and associates are startled and know something is wrong because
he
*never* swears... He might say "rats!" and even then that would be strong
for
him. Lois might swear like sailor (i.e., quite colorfully), but not be
quoted
in a story ;)

~~~Apologies, my friend, but not so, I'm afraid. Witness, Tempus Anyone. "Oh
*God*..." Clark moans when Lois badgers him about having failed to dissuade
Lana to attend their wedding. (The emphasis is his btw, not mine. <G>) It's
this instance (and I'm pretty sure there's at least one other in S4, but I
couldn't say where) that I rely on as canon when I have him use God in my
fanfic. Otherwise, I'd agree it would be entirely out of character. Which
reminds me. The blasphamy thread. <g> Discussing this off-list with friends,
a basic illogic in my own thinking occurred to me, which I'd appreciate some
input on from the more religious members of the list. I sometimes use "Lord"
in my fic as a replacement for "God". I do this because, somewhere along the
route of my torturous thinking, I've developed the idea that it somehow has
less impact than the latter. I think that comes from my spell of writing
western fic, where "Lord" was quite often used as a fairly mild expletive,
about on the same level as "Landsakes". In much the same way I wouldn't use
"Jesus" because - with probably the same degree of illogic - it always seems
to me to be worse than "God". (Not to mention it's out of character as
others have pointed out.) I think my reasoning is pretty spurious myself,
now that my attention has been focused on it. <g>~~~

~~~Thanks to Jen, btw, for her enlightening explanation of the asterisked
question. It's always been a particular irritation for me too, on much the
same lines as Kathy's objection. On this list you learn something new every
day. And get enriched by it too. From now on, I may even pause to consider
that there might be a valid reason for something someone is doing before I
tsk, roll my eyes and mutter under my breath. Maybe. ;) Oh, and also for
hitting on a philosophical point about blasphamy that had puzzled me for
years. Namely, can you level a charge of blasphamy at someone who doesn't
share your religion? An agnostic, an atheist, a Jew, a Moslem...can they
blaspheme a Christian god? Surely to blaspheme against a god you have to
believe in who you're blaspheming? Taking the Lord's name in vain is
blasphamy, that's a given. But surely only to his followers, for whom, after
all, the stricture was intended? On the question of blasphamy in fanfic,
however, there is of course courtesy. But perhaps it should extend on both
sides of the divide, with the realisation that not everyone shares the
Christian faith, as well as acknowledging that those who are of the
Christian faith may be offended by their use and consideration given to
their pov by those who don't share in it. ~~~

And, after all that....sorry this is so long...but I've been sitting on my
hands for days and the frustration of not being able to post got to me in
the end. <G>...can I beg some fanfic information from you kind FoLCs? I need
to know how you would go about annulling a wedding in the US. I would guess
that it changes from state to state, so on a comparative basis, I'll say how
they do it in New York. But, any info would be of help. Thanks!

LabRat (tuckered out after that lot, but off to work on the new fic my Muse
is insisting she wants to explore.)
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--- Alicia Utowski <Alicia3456@AOL.COM> wrote:
>I am one of those people that has very strict
guidelines to what I read.

#1 Lois and Clark have to be alive from the beginning
of the story until the end of the story, it doesnt
matter if others die as long as Lois and Clark don't
die.<

Considering the support you have given me on 7 days of
Superman, I feel honored that you would read it given
your guidelines.

WARNING: Part 6 of 7 days of Superman will be out on
March 24th (assuming that they don't ship me off to
Sweden for a week!)
It is VERY WHAMMY.  You have been warned

James

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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:32:06 -0500
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From:         Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL>
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Alicia wrote:

> When I first found Lois and
>Clark fanfic, one of the first stories I read was Jeagan's When Magnolia's
>bloom... This was back in 96 or 97 when  I was still rather young (15 or
16)
>and I first got the internet... she didnt put a warning on her story, and I
>had nightmares about it for weeks...

::blink blink::

"When Magnolias Bloom" still has the power to bring tears to my eyes --
only they're accompanied by a smile. That is one of THE most beautiful
stories I've ever read. I recommend it to just about anyone. It may qualify
as deathfic, but it sure doesn't qualify as whammy.

Alicia, death is an inescapable part of life. Jeagan's story takes place
some fifty years down the life, when death is natural. This is a far cry
from Clark flying off into space to smash an asteroid and never returning!

Think of Wendy's recently completed story on the message boards (soon
coming to an archive near you, I hope!), in which the main character is
LnC's child as an adult. A strong theme running throughout that story is
the aging and passing of LnC's contemparies. That may be sad, but a long
life well spent is not as shocking as a life cut short.

At least, not to me.

Maybe we should use new brands of warnings: WHAMs ahead! If these get you
nervous, e-mail the author for further info.

...Nah. :)

Hazel
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No, apparently I was missing something... sorry about that!  The URL
worked when I first added it to my recommendations page, a week or so
ago, but it sure didn't work for me this morning.  But in fiddling
around, I found the real page:

http://www.mindspring.com/~hess2/danceswells.html

apparently it makes a difference if you do or don't have the "l" on the
end of the "htm"!  I'll have to fix it on my recommendations page, too,
so I'm glad y'all pointed this out! :)

Kate Crane wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/15/00 8:39:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
>
> << http://www.mindspring.com/~hess2/danceswells.htm >>
>
> Pam, this url didn't work for me.....is my server acting up or am I
missing
> something?
> Kate

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Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:35:51 -0500
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From:         James Tull <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Christians in L&C (WAS Language) - from LabRat

Thank you LabRat and Wendy

The URL is
http://www.onelist.com/group/LNCChristians

James
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Subject:      WOT: Questions About Sweden

Since this is is a globe encircling list I was wondering if anyone on the
list is from Sweden?

This is a work related question.

If so please respond privately to mr_d8a@yahoo.com
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I'd like to recommend a new story from the archive this week. It is called
Night Terrors by Amy Lauters. It has a very interesting premise and is very
fun to read. I hope you all give it a try.

Ray Reynolds
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In a message dated 3/15/00 10:20:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
yconnell@UKF.NET writes:

<< (and I'm pretty sure there's at least one other in S4, but I
 couldn't say where) that I rely on as canon when I have him use God in my
 fanfic.  >>

Labrat, I never picked up on the one you caught, but the one that always
bothered me (read nice, kind, non-judgemental, religious Christian type
here)
was from DTOSC, where Supes and Lois are in those lovely "cages" and he
says,
" ***, I wish I could touch you".  To me, that emphasized his anguish, that
he would utter that quasi invocation, but I still found it out of character,
and offensive.

<<which I'd appreciate some
input on from the more religious members of the list. I sometimes use "Lord"
in my fic as a replacement for "God">>

I'll step up and answer this one too, as no one else has yet.....yes, the
term "Lord" as capitalized and referring to the Christian god, would be
considered blasphemous, if used as slang.
Now, as far as your query about blashpemy as it applies to usage by
non-believers, I think you reasoning is very sound....however, of course,
;),
we Christians believe that there is only one god, and he is God over all, so
any reference to him in a non-reverential manner is blasphemous, no matter
who is talking.  On the other hand, a non-Christian would probably have a
different opinon <g>.

Kate
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:50:49 -0500 "Terry S. Horowit"
<horowit@UMIACS.UMD.EDU> wrote:

> Jen wrote:
>> Perhaps writers of L&C fanfic feel that using "G-d" out loud is
something that Lois (or any other character) might do, even if they
(the author) wouldn't themselves. Oh, and btw, I don't know how other
observant Jews might feel about using the word "god" to refer to a
(mythical?) deity, and spelling it complete, but (obviously) I have no
problem with it! <<

It's my experience that the G-d "spelling" tends to be something that
one is taught rather than an overt expression of religious feeling. In
the course of being a GE, I've corresponded with a few authors who use
that form of the word, and none seemed to be concerned about possible
disrespect/blasphemy when I suggested putting the vowel back. This is
not to say that some people don't use this form out of a genuine desire
to avoid taking the Lord's name in vain, and more power to them, but
it's not an automatic indicator of anything.

Besides, it reminds me too much of the Babylon 5 fan joke about
Sinclair's Duck! <g>

> BTW, for anyone for whom this is relevant, there are responsa by
some extrmemly knowledgable and respected Orthodox Rabbis who have
ruled that words on a computer screen (similar to a television screen)
are not 'real' and therefore even if the Name were written out in full
in Hebrew on the computer screen, it isn't considered as really
'written'. (Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to Web surf or ever turn
your computer off!!). So the only way the potential could arise to
desecrate God's name would be if a hard copy of the story were printed
out. <

ROTFL! Ye gods (note the plural <g>), what a pilpul! That is right up
there with the Jewish kids who once asked my wife if bacon-flavoured
potato chips (crisps, for the Brits here) actually tasted like bacon --
they wanted to try some, even though they wouldn't have been kosher
anyway.

And then there's the story Richard Feynman used to tell about the big
argument he once had with some Yeshivah students as to whether
electricity is fire or not... <g>

Phil, who's got a JPEG somewhere of that space-going duck coming out of
a jump gate... (!)
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:25:36 EST Kate Crane
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> Labrat, I never picked up on the one you caught, but the
> one that always bothered me (read nice, kind,
> non-judgemental, religious Christian type here) was from
> DTOSC, where Supes and Lois are in those lovely "cages" and
> he says, " ***, I wish I could touch you".  To me, that
> emphasized his anguish, that he would utter that quasi
> invocation, but I still found it out of character, and
> offensive.

Hmm... didn't bother me at all, and I'm speaking as someone
brought up as a *very* practising Anglican!

As for 'out of character,' I suppose that depends on what
our opinion is of what's *in* character for Clark on this
subject. He never came across as particularly religious, we
never saw him go to church or talk about church-going (nor
did Jonathan and Martha), and so his use of 'God' as an
imprecation or exclamation didn't seem strange to me, more
an indication of his agitated and distressed state.

Wendy
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Wow, take a few days off from checking email, and look where it gets me! I
miss a great discussion. Hope this thread isn't caput...

James wrote:
>There is a difference between: J*s*s. That's cold. and Oh Jesus give me
strength.>

Neither of which I would expect (based on the series continuity) to come out
of Lois and Clark's mouths...

< IMOP, I find it shows a lack of education and social cooth (spelling?) to
have to resort to crude language. >

I must preface my next comment by saying that I swear less than anyone I
know,
including my parents, younger brother, and friends (all in college). In my
case this is not a religious choice but a literary one. As a writer, I know
I
can come up with more creative and interesting words than over-uses curses.

However, I have to say that I attend a very good liberal arts college
especially well-known for its English department. Most students coming to
Kenyon were educated at good private schools and will continue to be fairly
successful in life. And almost every one of them swears easily, freely, and
often. Perhaps they are lacking in social cooth, but I assure you they are
not
lacking in education.

Pam wrote:
<< Well, there was this one story where Lois turned into a blond... <g>
(JLT/BLL)  I don't know if that qualifies as a huge WHAM or not (depends on
how you feel about blonds, I suppose) >>

I'm assuming the above comment was made in jest (I hope). I don't see how
anyone can have an "opinion" on blonds. It would be equally difficult and
stereotypical to have an opinion on women, blacks, homosexuals, etc. (And,
yes, I am a blond :)

Genevieve wrote:
<<  I, for one, prefer the darker L&C story, the ones with the big whams.
And
they tend to come with the higher ratings.  If everyone is focused on
keeping
their stories PG-13, I'm not as likely to get those darker stories. >>

I agree with Genevieve. I prefer fanfic to have a serious, even dark theme,
giving me something to think about rather than just a string of WAFFs (which
are nice in moderation). I may not agree with the direction the story took,
but I usually enjoy the ride and darker stories stay with me (and make me
think) longer than pure WAFFs.

<< I understand why the labels are there.  I wrote a story called "Yet Each
Man Kills," and got five people asking my "Does anyone get killed in this
story?  Because I won't read deathfic."  (No.  No one dies.  Not even a
nameless man on the street.  The title is a quote from a poem.) But I figure
that for each person who asked me about the title, twice that many didn't
even
try to read it.  I wish I were cavalier enough to say "their loss," but
somehow I feel it is mine. >>

I understand. One of the first stories I wrote was a deathfic and I didn't
realize until much later that it would receive a much-decreased readership
than the average story. I see that as both the readers' loss *and* mine, as
not only are they missing out on another fanfic, but I am missing out on
feedback (both positive and negative) which would help me be a better
writer.

I personally don't understand people's aversion to deathfic. Many patient
folcs have tried to explain it to me, but I'm still stuck. I see death as an
inevitable, important part of life. If you don't believe this, look at the
effect it had on Lois when she believed that Clark's lifespan would be much
greater than hers. Death is a crucial part of life, and, to me, a collection
of fanfic (such as the archive or this list) would be incomplete without
deathfics. How sad it is to avoid a subject because we may be afraid of it.
One of my favorite TV shows is "Inside the Actors' Studio" on the cable
channel BRAVO. It consists of an interview with an accomplished actor or
director, followed by questions. I was struck after watching a few eps when
I
heard many actors say that if a role or subject scares them, they have to do
it anyway. Bravo ;)

<< We don't want to take anyone by surprise. >>

Really? We don't? I know I do. Surprise is one of the most important aspects
of writing. Not surprise as in a "whodunit?" but surprise that appears in a
plot twist, change in character, etc. How disappointing to be able to
forecast
an entire story at its start. Maybe I'm missing the point here, but I think
surprise is crucial to writing.

Christy
kubitc@kenyon.edu

* * * * * * * * * *

"Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal
claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply
disgraceful." -Aldous Huxley
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Well as they say, the more things change the more things stay the same, or
what goes around comes around.

During the Reign of Elizabeth I, conservative Puritan's had so much
influence, they were able to control public performances of theatre
productions. They also forced playwrights like Shakespeare to eliminate all
references to Christian deities from his plays. So Shakespeare had to use
Greek and Roman mythological gods when in need of heavenly connections.

I guess LnC FanFic writers should take this controversy as an honor now
that they are included in such exalted company:)

Regards
Anita
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> I personally don't understand people's aversion to deathfic. Many patient
> folcs have tried to explain it to me, but I'm still stuck. I see death as
an
> inevitable, important part of life.

Yeah, but you probably aren't in a situation where your husband of 23 years
is on his second kidney transplant and it's failing.  When you look death in
the face daily, you don't want to read about it happening to two characters
who feel as real emotionally to you as most people you know.  Death in the
abstract is one thing, even the death of a lead character in a book whom I
only know through the 200-600 pages of that book; death in reality--even the
death of a character whom I know through literally 1000's of hours of
interaction (reading, writing, viewing, discussing)--is an entirely
different matter.  This will sound nuts to you, but for me, it's like L&C
live in a different reality, and fanfic is a portal to their world.  Why
would I want to read that two people whom I like so much are dead?  If L&C
are *just* characters, that's one thing--do whatever you like to them.
They're just characters; they'll come back in another story.  But when
they're real (emotionally, anyway), reading about the death of one or the
other is like having a friend or grandparent die.  <shrug>  I know.  I said
it was nuts.

> Surprise is one of the most important aspects
> of writing. Not surprise as in a "whodunit?" but surprise that appears in
a
> plot twist, change in character, etc. How disappointing to be able to
forecast
> an entire story at its start. Maybe I'm missing the point here, but I
think
> surprise is crucial to writing.

To writing, yes, Christy.  Not necessarily to reading.  That's why genre
books outsell "literary" novels 1000's to 1.  It may be better writing to
surprise your readers, but most readers (obviously, not *all*) prefer to
know the basic outcome before they start reading:  the guy gets the girl,
the detective solves the mystery, the good guys defeat (or at least thwart)
the bad guys.

Sheila
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> Pam wrote:
> << Well, there was this one story where Lois turned into a blond... <g>
> (JLT/BLL)  I don't know if that qualifies as a huge WHAM or not (depends
on
> how you feel about blonds, I suppose) >>
>
> I'm assuming the above comment was made in jest (I hope). I don't see how
> anyone can have an "opinion" on blonds. It would be equally difficult and
> stereotypical to have an opinion on women, blacks, homosexuals, etc. (And,
> yes, I am a blond :)

To set your mind at ease (I hope), yes that comment was meant entirely
in jest :)  In context of the story, which I don't know if you've read,
the WHAM was that Lois had had her soul transferred out of her body into
another one; the most obvious way to indicate that, in the text of the
story, was references to her new blond hair & blue eyes.  (I based this
on the ep Seconds)  Personally, I thought the story was rather
uplifting, as Lois was still Lois, no matter what she looked like, and
once Clark was convinced that it really was her, he accepted her
appearance unquestioningly.  But I know several people had great trouble
thinking of Lois with blond hair.  So that's what I meant... :)

> << We don't want to take anyone by surprise. >>
>
> Really? We don't?

Speaking as someone who *loves* to take people by surprise <g> I think
that maybe what the original poster meant was, readers have certain
expectations, and it's risky to go against those.  Not to say that the
risk won't be worth it, or the story won't be much better, but you have
to take into account the possibility that people won't like what you're
doing simply because it's not what they expect.  If I pick up what I
think is a romance novel, I'm going to be upset if the hero takes off at
the end, leaving the heroine alone and pregnant.  If I pick up a murder
mystery, I don't want to see the murderer kill the detective.  I have
certain expectations, and if the author doesn't respect that, he or she
will lose me and/or tick me off.

The tricky thing is, of course, that fanfic has a very wide range of
stories, and different people have different expectations.  Still, there
are a few constants -- I think most of us want stories where Lois &
Clark end up together, one way or another -- my favorite deathfics even
reunite L&C after death.  So if you really want to write a story where,
for example, Lex gets the girl, go for it... just be forewarned that
there are very few people in this particular audience who will like it,
no matter how well you write it.

I guess what I'm saying is, know your audience.  You don't have to write
for them if you don't want to, but you should respect them enough to
give warnings if what you're going to do is not likely to sit well.  Or
at least that's my theory :)
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In a message dated 3/15/00 11:26:06 AM EST, KCrane1865@AOL.COM writes:

<< " ***, I wish I could touch you".  To me, that emphasized his anguish,
that
 he would utter that quasi invocation, but I still found it out of
character,
 and offensive. >>

WoW...that's the wonderful thing about FoLCs.  We can take one line and
interept it or have others feel a different way about it.

I loved that line...I actually have a wav of it on my puter.  Yes,
occasionally it does put me in the gutter because i'm like that, but in all
honesty, I thought it was a beautiful line, especially after Lois' response
to it.  It was refreshing to see a man actually expressing his true feelings
for a woman.  Especially since that man was Superman and even though we know
he loves Lois, he usually saves that heart-felt stuff for Clark...since
Superman is supposed to be reserved.  Okay did that just make sense? LOL!

Alexis ;-.)

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:57:29 -0500, kubitc <kubitc@KENYON.EDU> wrote:

>James wrote:
>< IMOP, I find it shows a lack of education and social cooth (spelling?) to
>have to resort to crude language. >
>
>I must preface my next comment by saying that I swear less than anyone I
know,including my parents, younger brother, and friends (all in college).
In my case this is not a religious choice but a literary one. As a writer,
I know I can come up with more creative and interesting words than over-
uses curses.<
>
>However, I have to say that I attend a very good liberal arts college
especially well-known for its English department. Most students coming to
Kenyon were educated at good private schools and will continue to be fairly
successful in life. And almost every one of them swears easily, freely, and
often. Perhaps they are lacking in social cooth, but I assure you they are
not lacking in education.<

I sit corrected.  I should have said OR not AND.

I can remember the first time I saw the Sears Tower in Chicago.  I was
maybe 11 at the time.  I kept looking up and up and when I finally reached
the top I said a rather minor swear word.  Did I mention that I was
visiting with my church group?  The assistant youth pastor was directly
behind me at the time. :(

He was understanding and only gave me a light reprimand. :)
He was fixing my cooth.

I also know that it is a nasty, gritty, mean-spirited world out there at
times.  And it will make you say things you would rather not say.

I have to admit that there are times when I am completely caught off guard
and will utter an oath.  I also then apologize immediately to everyone
within hearing distance.

Nuff said.
James
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In a message dated 3/15/00 12:48:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< Hmm... didn't bother me at all, and I'm speaking as someone
 brought up as a *very* practising Anglican!

 I know, we all have different things that bother us, but as I said before,
taking the name of God in vain offends me more than any type of slang or
swear word.  (I tried to not sound self-righteous or annoying....:)

 <<As for 'out of character,' I suppose that depends on what
 our opinion is of what's *in* character for Clark on this
 subject. He never came across as particularly religious, we
 never saw him go to church or talk about church-going (nor
 did Jonathan and Martha), and so his use of 'God' as an
 imprecation or exclamation didn't seem strange to me, more
 an indication of his agitated and distressed state.
  >>

I agree that it was an indication of his anxiety, but never having heard it
come from his (Clark/Superman) mouth before, and given my low tolerance for
it, hence it offended me.  And you're right, there never was much indication
given for religion on the show.  I realize that the term OMG is very
pervasive in society today, but there still are many who take the 3rd
commandment very seriously.  So, I'm afraid I'm going to have to shoot all
of
you who use it in your fics.
Kate
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James Tull wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:57:29 -0500, kubitc <kubitc@KENYON.EDU> wrote:
>
> >James wrote:
> >< IMOP, I find it shows a lack of education and social cooth (spelling?)
to
> >have to resort to crude language. >
> >

It's "couth".

Nan
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<< "When Magnolias Bloom" still has the power to bring tears to my eyes --
 only they're accompanied by a smile. That is one of THE most beautiful
 stories I've ever read. I recommend it to just about anyone. It may qualify
 as deathfic, but it sure doesn't qualify as whammy >>

I never said it was WHAMmy, but I did say that it troubled me... I just have
problems with death of any kind, and I try not to think about anyone dying.
I think sudden death is worse than death after a long like, but having
experienced both in my short life, I find both very sad.  Especially for
Lois
and Clark, who I could consider to by my friends...

<<However, I have to say that I attend a very good liberal arts college
especially well-known for its English department. Most students coming to
Kenyon were educated at good private schools and will continue to be fairly
successful in life. And almost every one of them swears easily, freely, and
often. Perhaps they are lacking in social cooth, but I assure you they are
not
lacking in education>>

I agree with Christy here. I also go to a good university, although mine is
an engineering school, but many of the students still are very high class,
educated at private schools, having well educated parents (well, I don't fit
in the private school part, but my parents are well-educated) and I know
that
nearly everyone on campus, including many of my professors use swear words
very often, however a student to a professor would not swear, however many
professors will swear while they are lecturing.  I know that in my dorm the
f-word can be heard at least every two seconds (and often from my own mouth)
I know that I do swear very often, but I usually don't write Lois and Clark
swearing.  I think the only word I have ever used is damn.  I just think
anything stronger is out of character for them becuase we never heard them
swearing profusely.  However, I know that I use God more than I should.  As
a
practicing Catholic, I know that that violates a commandment (second, third,
not sure) but it was proven that both Lois and Clark used God in the series,
and I don't find that as out of character as some of the other swear words.

Alicia
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At 11:19 AM 15/03/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>James Tull wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:57:29 -0500, kubitc <kubitc@KENYON.EDU> wrote:
>>
>> >James wrote:
>> >< IMOP, I find it shows a lack of education and social cooth
(spelling?) to
>> >have to resort to crude language. >
>> >
>
>It's "couth".
>
>Nan

Is "couth" a real word?  I know you're all using it as the opposite of
"uncouth", but even that is not a noun, is it?  (Sorry, I'm not very good
with grammar in these cases.)  Did you know that "ruth" used to mean
"mercy", hence "ruthless", but these days do you ever hear someone saying
that they were shown ruth by a boss or something.  The other one I really
like is saying that a person is ept, as opposed to "inept".
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According to Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, "couth" *is* a word,
meaning sophisticated, polished or refined.

Nan

Jenny or Joe Stosser wrote:

> At 11:19 AM 15/03/2000 -0800, you wrote:
> >James Tull wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:57:29 -0500, kubitc <kubitc@KENYON.EDU> wrote:
> >>
> >> >James wrote:
> >> >< IMOP, I find it shows a lack of education and social cooth
> (spelling?) to
> >> >have to resort to crude language. >
> >> >
> >
> >It's "couth".
> >
> >Nan
>
> Is "couth" a real word?  I know you're all using it as the opposite of
> "uncouth", but even that is not a noun, is it?  (Sorry, I'm not very good
> with grammar in these cases.)  Did you know that "ruth" used to mean
> "mercy", hence "ruthless", but these days do you ever hear someone saying
> that they were shown ruth by a boss or something.  The other one I really
> like is saying that a person is ept, as opposed to "inept".
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I'm one of those who avoids deathfic although I have read some -- all by
accident.   A few, like "Magnolias",  "A life Well Spent", "Remembrances",
and Christy's "a Dying Flame" were very moving  because they dealt in a
touching way with the death of Lois or Clark at the end of a long and happy
life.  I know that's fantasy.  But having faced the premature death of
people
I love, I just don't want to read about it in fanfic.  Mostly, deathfic
seems
to me to be manipulative without any real understanding of grief.

Sorry to be so serious but that's why I appreciate a deathfic warning and
why
I like to find that Lois and Clark are still both standing at the end of the
story.

Carol
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:38:45 +0000, Wendy Richards <
w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
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>Kathy, not to be awkward, but why make the distinction?
>Okay, I admit I'm still having problems getting my
>head around the difference between R and NC17 - seems weird
>to me to have one classification for 18-year-olds and one
>for 17-year-olds. I thought, in any case, that nfic could
>be either R or NC17, and that either classification was
>welcome on the various nfic message boards, Debby's list
>and annesplace?

Yes, R rated stories are welcome on the nfic forums, but that doesn't mean
that teenagers can access them there.  As someone logically pointed out, it
makes no sense for a teenager who writes an R rated story to release it on a
forum that she is not allowed to access.  If someone were to advertise an R-
rated story on the nfic listserv, they wouldn't be able to reach a teenage
audience (or people of legal age who do not wish to read NC-17 stories)
because this audience is not *on* the nfic list in the first place. (Same
with Debby's list, Anne's nfic archive, etc.)

The distiction between 17 and 18 year olds may not make much sense, but it
is
the law in the US -- a person is not of "legal age" until they are 18, and
it
is illegal for them to vote, buy cigarettes or procure pornography. (And
technically, teenagers are supposed to not be able to buy movie tickets for
R-rated movies unless their parents are with them.)

The reason most nfic authors require a written age statement (or for someone
to click the appropriate box on a website) is to protect themselves.  Fairly
regularly, our newspapers carry stories about some legislator who decides
that cracking down on the distribution of "porn" on the Internet should
carry
stiff penalties, and of course, their definition of porn does not always
agree with ours.  It seems utterly ridiculous that I could be arrested or
fined for sending one of my nfics to a 16 year old FoLC, but many authors
are
not willing to take those risks.

Plus you also have the parental issue.  One popular nfic author saved all of
her request emails in a file.  One day, she received a scathing email from a
mother of one of her readers.  The woman was furious that the author had
sent
'porn' to her daughter.  The nfic author went through her file, pulled out
the email the teenager had sent (assuring that she was 18) and sent it to
the
mother.  Suddenly the anger was no longer directed at the nfic author. ;)

Kathy
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I have to agree with Carol when she said that

"Mostly, deathfic seems to me to be manipulative without any real
understanding of grief."

i also find that some authors use deathfic as a mary sue device.  (in case
someone doesn't know, a mary sue story is where the author fairly blatantly
puts themselves into the story--at least it is blatant to the readers).  I
mean this that they kill Lois off and have Clark 'learning to love again'
with someone else.  And I just don't want to hear about it!  :)

In real life, sad things happen, people die before their time, children and
fathers and mothers are left to grieve,  and it's something you have to
just deal with.  But in fiction at least, the lost dogs always find their
way home, the good guys can always win, the bad guys always go to jail, and
our favorite pair can always die in their sleep in a house filled with
their descendants, holding each other after a long and happy life.

That said, I have to say that I too love 'When Magnolias Bloom'; I had the
pleasure of editing it for the archive, which was no task at all--the
description for the archive was the biggest thing I had to do.  And I'm
such a sap, I still cry *every* time I read it.   :)

:)

cerise
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Debby said:
"I used this basic idea  ("out of character") in my Argh rewrite. Clark
says "Oh my god..." and all his friends and associates are startled and
know something is wrong because he *never* swears... He might say
"rats!" and even then that would be strong for him. Lois might swear
like sailor (i.e., quite colorfully), but not be quoted in a story ;)"

Or those words might be quoted in a story.  It seems to me that,
properly used, a swear word would be as effective as an adverb or an
adjective at setting the scene, or establishing someone's character or
emotional state.

I have to admit, Clark strikes me as a "Gosh" and "Darn it" kind of
guy.  But what about Alt-Clark?  It strikes me that he might swear more,
given his upbringing.  And how about Lex Luthor?  I'll bet, when he
loses that suave, gentile disguise he wears, when he switches from
philantropic billionaire to master-criminal, he swears quite
effectively.  And can't you just hear Nigel losing it and dropping into
a cockney accent and saying...Wendy, Phil -- what would he say?  (Aside
-- Has anyone ever written a story from Lex's POV?)

Someone quoted Diana Gabaldon earlier -- didn't she say, "just because I
don't swear, doesn't mean my characters don't."  I am not my
characters.  They do things I personally wouldn't do.  Many of them are
not heroic characters, quite the reverse in fact.  If I write two
characters living a homosexual lifestyle, or swearing a blue-streak, or
running around murdering people, or trying to take over the world, it
does not mean that I am endorsing that as a way for people to life.  Nor
does it really tell you anything about myself, my morals, or my ethical
beliefs.  (At least, I hope not.  I am a little disturbed that although
I still haven't managed to write a steamy love scene, or use the
infamous "f" word in a story, I can turn out a really nasty torture
scene.  I find this especially disturbing because when I *read* stories,
I skip over the torture scenes.  All that blood and pain -- ugh!  But I
needed a way to show that this character was kind of depraved and
not-a-nice-guy.  It worked.  But, again -- ugh!  And don't worry.  That
torture scene was in a fanfic I wrote for a different fandom.)

But anyway, if I write a character that lives a less than stellar life,
it's probably *supposed* to shock or offend you, the reader.  And to
shock and offend the rest of the characters in the story.  Hopefully,
the good guys will stop the bad guy in the end.

====
While discussing religion:

Kate said: And you're right, there never was much indication given for
religion on the show.

I appreciate the shows where we do see the characters living some sort
of a religious life.  Babylon Five, where Susan Ivanova was a Russian
Jew.  Buffy the Vampire Slayer where we say Riley going to church the
other week.  Nothing major, no part of the A plot, but some indication
that religion is a part of every-day life for most people.  It's lacking
in most television shows.  And Kate (and whoever Kate was referring to)
is right, none of the main characters on L&C seem to have much of a
religious life.  But just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it
isn't there.

To me this is a open invitation for fanfic.  So they didn't give us a
lot of hints on the show.  Religion is part of everyone's life -- even
if you've decided it's not for you, that's a decision.  Aliens and
Strangers by Susan Stone is the only fanfic I can think of that really
dealt with this, and she did a great job.  Some questions to be
answered...

1.  What was L&C religious upbringing like?  What are their parents
religious feelings?
2.  Do either of them feel that Someone is looking out for them, keeping
them from death?
3.  Did either of them have a religious experience during a
near-to-death incident?
4.  How do the mainstream religions react to having an alien living
among us?
5.  Did Clark turn to religion when he started getting stronger?  What
about when he discovered he was an alien?
6.  What did Alice say when she discovered that Perry had joined the
Blue Suede church?

Just some ideas.

I do have some more things I want to say about ratings, but it's late
tonight.  Till tomorrow.

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Actually the only relgious nods in the LnC show was when Cat went to
confession, Lois tried to marry Lex and he talked about the Arch Bishop,
Lois and Clark's (ur I mean Clois and Clark's) wedding in the church.  And
attempt #1 in STGGTWNK and when Mike shows up to actually marry the happy
couple...oh and I forgot, Mayson's funeral.  I might of left out a few other
things but that's all i could think of right now.

Alexis ;-.)
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"Alexis W." wrote:
>
> Actually the only relgious nods in the LnC show was when Cat went to
confession, Lois tried to marry Lex and he talked about the Arch Bishop,
Lois and Clark's (ur I mean Clois and Clark's) wedding in the church.  And
attempt #1 in STGGTWNK and when Mike shows up to actually marry the happy
couple...oh and I forgot, Mayson's funeral.  I might of left out a few other
things but that's all i could think of right now.
>
> Alexis ;-.)

Confession is such a cliche on television.  We get absolutely no
indication that Cat Grant is religious, let alone *Catholic*, and yet
there she in in confession.  In an old fashioned confessional, at that.
My church doesn't even *have* one of those anymore -- confession has
been face-to-face for what?  Twenty, twenty-five years now?  I think
most of the time confession is used by television writers are a quick
and dirty device to *tell* us (as opposed to showing us) what a
particular character is thinking/feeling.

And don't forget Perry and the Church of Blue-Suede Deliverance, or
whatever it was called.

I find the fact that Lex is in this list of religious moments amusing.
Lex wanted to have the ArchBishop marry them because he was a true
believer. <snicker>
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In a message dated 03/15/2000 11:25:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
nightsky@EROLS.COM writes:

<< In an old fashioned confessional, at that.
 My church doesn't even *have* one of those anymore -- confession has
 been face-to-face for what?  Twenty, twenty-five years now? >>

Well, actually, confession is usually face to face, but at my church, they
still do have the option of going behind the screen, and many people (myself
included) prefer to be behind the scren

Alicia
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:10:11 -0500, Genevieve <nightsky@EROLS.COM> wrote:

>5.  Did Clark turn to religion when he started getting stronger?  What
>about when he discovered he was an alien?

This question is an interesting one.  I've seen a few L&C stories that
mentioned religion (can't recall any titles though, darn it) and they
basically said "Clark stopped going to church with his parents when he
figured out he was different, assuming their God wasn't his God" or
something
like this.  This always made me quirk my eyebrows because I don't see where
that theory came from.  (Yes, that's what makes it a *theory* but still ...)

Would this be in character for Clark?  To be religious (or at least church-
going) as a child, but stop going *only* because he was different?  Not the
usual reasons teenagers often stop going to church (rebellion, boredom,
sleeping in, what have you) but *because* he realized he was different?

Wouldn't he keep going (assuming his friends did, though I really can't see
Clark going against his parents wishes no matter what his friends were
doing)
as long as he lived at home, if only *to* fit in?  And to what denomination?
What would be most popular in small-town Kansas?  Lutheran?  Methodist?

Now, after he left home and began traveling, we can entertain some
interesting ideas.  Clark seems particularly well traveled through Asia, so
possibly he got into non-western religions while there?  Maybe he considers
himself more "spiritual" than "religious" or associated with any one faith.

And what about Lois?  Obviously Lex tried to have them married in the
Catholic church (though this was probably more for the "joke effect", of Lex
buying off the Arch Bishop).  But Lois never said "But I'm not Catholic!" so
maybe she was ...

We can assume Lois went to church -- she caught her father kissing Mrs.
Bellcanto in the church parking lot. ;)  Divorce in the 1970's was becoming
more common, but Catholics have always had strong issues with that.  Maybe
Ellen stopped going to church after the divorce ...

All sorts of interesting questions!

Kathy
kathybrown91@home.com
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Actually the seen with Cat in *confession* bugged me too and I'm Lutheran!
I
just didn't think it was right for her to be doing that and then when she
hit
on the priest or whatever she did...I was kinda disgusted by that.  But that
might only be me...i dunno.

Alexis ;-.)
{who finds it funny that the writers put the one's that we would least
likely
see in church in religious type situations.}

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hour at Buckingham Palace."  Perry White, (LnC), THE PILOT.
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Yay!  Part 6 will be out soon!  Yay!

Ok, just as a reward for posting that soon, I'll promise to send out the
next part of Threads soon, too, ok?  (most of you are finished with kerth
voting, right?)

Tara
>
>WARNING: Part 6 of 7 days of Superman will be out on
>March 24th (assuming that they don't ship me off to
>Sweden for a week!)
>It is VERY WHAMMY.  You have been warned
>
>James
>

note the new eddress
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that everything--Perry, Jimmy, the Planet, Metropolis--our whole lives--has
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Yep.  It means sophisticated or polished.  You can look it up at www.m-w.com
  :)

Tara

>
>Is "couth" a real word
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Personally, I don't read stories where religion is a major part of the story
line.  Maybe if anyone takes up this challenge they should put up a
religious warning? <eg> just kiddding!  I don't mind if the religious aspect
is mentioned, but if it is a major part of the plot, I don't read it.
That's just my personal preference.

Tara

>
>To me this is a open invitation for fanfic.  So they didn't give us a
>lot of hints on the show.  Religion is part of everyone's life -- even
>if you've decided it's not for you, that's a decision.  Aliens and
>Strangers by Susan Stone is the only fanfic I can think of that really
>dealt with this, and she did a great job.  Some questions to be
>answered...
>
>1.  What was L&C religious upbringing like?  What are their parents
>religious feelings?
>2.  Do either of them feel that Someone is looking out for them, keeping
>them from death?
>3.  Did either of them have a religious experience during a
>near-to-death incident?
>4.  How do the mainstream religions react to having an alien living
>among us?
>5.  Did Clark turn to religion when he started getting stronger?  What
>about when he discovered he was an alien?
>6.  What did Alice say when she discovered that Perry had joined the
>Blue Suede church?
>
>Just some ideas.
>
>I do have some more things I want to say about ratings, but it's late
>tonight.  Till tomorrow.
>
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>hours what a competent librarian can find in five minutes. :-)

note the new eddress
starkitty__@hotmail.com   Don't ask why I switched.

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This is a question for all of you Elvis fans out there... Did he call them
peanut butter and nanner sandwiches or peanut butter and banna sandwiches?

Also could someone give me the link to the LISTSERV archive?

Thanks in advance!

Alexis ;-.)

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I remember reading about a rehearsal on the 18th...Does anybody have an
exact
time for this?  Me looks towards Pam. ;)

Alexis ;-.)

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In an e-mail discussion with another FoLC, I made a passing reference to
Clark having broken his arm when he was eight years old when he fell out of
his Fortress of Solitude (i.e. the treehouse). She asked me where I'd
gotten that from, and to be perfectly frank, I have no idea. :)

There are so many things in FoLCdom that have been accepted as canon, or
nearly canon, that actually came from fics -- frex, I can't count the
number of stories in which LnC's first son is either CJ or Jon! So my
question is this: is Clark breaking his arm canon from the show, canon from
fanfic, or canon (or not canon at all) from another source entirely?

Thanks,

Hazel
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 23:10:11 -0500 Genevieve
<nightsky@EROLS.COM> wrote:

> I have to admit, Clark strikes me as a "Gosh" and "Darn it"
> kind of guy.

Actually, that sounds more like Klein to me. Dean Cain's
Clark wouldn't talk like that, though I could easily
picture Chris Reeve's incarnation saying 'Gosh' - in fact,
I think he did.

> And can't you just hear Nigel losing it and
> dropping into a cockney accent and saying...Wendy, Phil --
> what would he say?

No, I don't think he would. First of all, we have no idea
whereabouts in England he hails from originally - I'd think
it very unlikely that someone with his accent and obvious
background grew up in the East End of London. He clearly
went to either Oxford or Cambridge, and given his age that
would have had to be in the time before free university
education. Which means he'd have to have come from a
wealthy background in the first place, and probably a
good 'establishment' family too, in order to have been
offered a place. The 'establishment' background would also
have been a major factor in his having been recruited for
MI6 (the secret service) - anyone seen the film 'Another
Country'?

So, anyway, my guess would be that Nigel's accent is his
own. Swearing, on the other hand, wouldn't be a problem -
did you know that the English upper classes swear like
troopers? <g> Imagine saying the F-word in a cultured
English accent! <bg> (it sounds more like FA**)

> To me this is a open invitation for fanfic.  So they didn't
> give us a lot of hints on the show.  Religion is part of
> everyone's life

Personally, I see one's religious faith as a private thing,
whether or not I or anyone else has particular religious
beliefs. We may or may not wish to transfer those beliefs
onto our characters; but it's not something I'd want to
read about in fanfic, *because* I see it as private. I'd
be inclined to suspect that any fanfic incorporating
discussion and analysis of L&C's religious beliefs would
say more about its author than about the characters -
another version of a Mary Sue story, unless done *really*
well. Just my opinion on the matter, though.  :)

Wendy

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Again posting for LabRat:

*************************

Hazel, I'm pretty sure (but don't quote me <g>) that the breaking of the arm
and the treehouse is from one of Margaret Brignall's trilogy on Clark's
early years.

Also...I think it kind of got lost in among the religion, but if anyone
knows about annulling weddings....? I'll be happy to hear from you. ;)

LabRat :)

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Wendy Richards wrote:
>
> Again posting for LabRat:
>
> *************************
>
> Hazel, I'm pretty sure (but don't quote me <g>) that the breaking of the
arm
> and the treehouse is from one of Margaret Brignall's trilogy on Clark's
> early years.

I think Clark fell out of a tree and broke his arm (at age five) in the
comic books.

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Labrat wrote:

>Hazel, I'm pretty sure (but don't quote me <g>) that the breaking of the
arm
>and the treehouse is from one of Margaret Brignall's trilogy on Clark's
>early years.

<snicker> Considering that it was *Margaret* who asked me in the first
place, I don't think so. ;) But don't worry, I won't quote you!

It looks like it's comics canon... I didn't know he had a "Fortress of
Solitude" in his treehouse in the comics, but maybe that's where he got the
name for the one with all the technology in the Arctic or wherever it is
these days.

>Also...I think it kind of got lost in among the religion, but if anyone
>knows about annulling weddings....? I'll be happy to hear from you. ;)

Not sure if it got lost, or there's simply no one who knows. But there's a
fic out there that was uploaded to the archive last year, a sequel to
another fic by another author (in which Lois had married Lex and Clark got
her an annulment from the Pope), where much of the story focuses on LnC's
struggle to make that annulment legal. (The author wrote in her
introduction that it was that point that drove her to write her sequel --
an annulment of the marriage by the Pope would "undo" the marriage from a
Christian standpoint, but not from a legal one.) Lawyers are involved, as
well as lots of other things. Someone with a better memory might actually
be able to give you the name. If I'm not mistaken, the author did quite a
bit of research for her story. I don't know if it will help you or not,
though.

There, I tried. :)

Hazel
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ME:
> > To me this is a open invitation for fanfic.  So they didn't
> > give us a lot of hints on the show.  Religion is part of
> > everyone's life

WENDY:
> Personally, I see one's religious faith as a private thing,
> whether or not I or anyone else has particular religious
> beliefs. We may or may not wish to transfer those beliefs
> onto our characters; but it's not something I'd want to
> read about in fanfic, *because* I see it as private. I'd
> be inclined to suspect that any fanfic incorporating
> discussion and analysis of L&C's religious beliefs would
> say more about its author than about the characters -
> another version of a Mary Sue story, unless done *really*
> well. Just my opinion on the matter, though.  :)

And a more damning indictment of fanfic writers I have never seen.  All
original characters are autobiographical Mary Sue's, and any any
discussion of religion would be the author's proselytizing to their
audience.  (OK, you didn't say the "all original characters" part, but
I've seen that sentiment expressed on other lists.)  I think you are
selling an awful lot of authors short on this one, yourself and myself
included.

I know when I read fiction, I frequently identify with characters that
don't hold my personal views.  I may think they are wrong, but I can see
where they are coming from.  And, in case you all hadn't noticed yet, I
can argue both sides of any question rather well.  I think I could write
a story with a character who has other religious views than mine.  And
even make him likable.

Personally, I think sex is *much* more private than religion.  Religion
operates out in the open, has ideas on ethics, on how people should
treat each other, on what is right and wrong.  Sort of like ...
Superman.

Let me add a couple more questions to the list I started last night:

1.  Where did Clark get his vision of right and wrong?  From religion?
Or from someplace else?  If it's innate, who (what) put it there?
Superman can very easily be seen as a prophet or a saviour figure.

2.  How does Clark explain away the fact that sometimes bad things
happen to good people?  Is it his fault for not stopping it?  Is it just
the way it is?  Is there a plan/higher being that will somehow turn evil
to good?  Given as much tragedy as Superman sees, he *must* have thought
about this, and found a way to cope.  What is it?

The answers could involve religion, a personal view of God, or not.  But
they are interesting questions.

Yikes!  I am *really* late getting the kids to school.  I know better
than to start writing in the morning!
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Please note:  I am using damning in this post, not as a curse, but as
one of it's legitamte meanings in the dictionary: "To condemn as
harmful, illegal, or immoral: a cleric who damned gambling and strong
drink."  I tried to write the sentence with "condemning," but it just
didn't flow as well.
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>WENDY:
>> Personally, I see one's religious faith as a private thing,
>> whether or not I or anyone else has particular religious
>> beliefs. We may or may not wish to transfer those beliefs
>> onto our characters; but it's not something I'd want to
>> read about in fanfic, *because* I see it as private. I'd
>> be inclined to suspect that any fanfic incorporating
>> discussion and analysis of L&C's religious beliefs would
>> say more about its author than about the characters -
>> another version of a Mary Sue story, unless done *really*
>> well. Just my opinion on the matter, though.  :)

The same can be said about most things Wendy.  All authors incorporate
their beliefs in one way or another into their stories.  It is impossible
to avoid.

I have read stories where Clark is just shy of being a tree hugger to him
believing that it is only the woman's right to decide if she should abort
her baby, even if it was his!

In fanfic nothing is private.  The best stories are the ones that include
things that affects everyday people.

James
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Forwarding for LabRat again... :)

****************

> <snicker> Considering that it was *Margaret* who asked me in the first
> place, I don't think so. ;) But don't worry, I won't quote you!

~~~Ah. Then it's someone else's fanfic. Sorry for the confusion. I suppose I
tend to think of Margaret first when it comes to fic about Clark's
childhood. I'll remember to consider other authors in future. ~~~
>
> It looks like it's comics canon... I didn't know he had a "Fortress of
> Solitude" in his treehouse in the comics, but maybe that's where he got
the name for the one with all the technology in the Arctic or wherever it is
> these days.
>
I have never read any of the comics - but I distinctly remember reading in
one fanfic about Clark falling from a treehouse and breaking his arm before
his superpowers kicked in. Regardless, it seems that the author in question
was using comics canon, yes.

> >Also...I think it kind of got lost in among the religion, but if anyone
> >knows about annulling weddings....? I'll be happy to hear from you. ;)
>
> Not sure if it got lost, or there's simply no one who knows.

~~~Either or. Still searching for an answer.....~~~

But there's a
> fic out there that was uploaded to the archive last year, a sequel to
> another fic by another author (in which Lois had married Lex and Clark got
> her an annulment from the Pope), where much of the story focuses on LnC's
> struggle to make that annulment legal. (The author wrote in her
> introduction that it was that point that drove her to write her sequel --
> an annulment of the marriage by the Pope would "undo" the marriage from a
> Christian standpoint, but not from a legal one.) Lawyers are involved, as
> well as lots of other things. Someone with a better memory might actually
> be able to give you the name. If I'm not mistaken, the author did quite a
> bit of research for her story. I don't know if it will help you or not,
> though.
>
> There, I tried. :)
>
~~~And I'm grateful for your trying. I don't recognise the fic at all, but
then I'm somewhat behind in my reading. Thanks for the lead.~~~

LabRat :)

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And from me:

The fic Hazel is referring to is by MV Thompson, and it's
an authorised sequel to Susan VanCott's Disquiet Nights (As
Dreamers Do). Can't remember the title of the fic, and I
can't comment on the story itself, since as far as I
remember I never finished it.

Wendy
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:31:18 -0500 Genevieve
<nightsky@EROLS.COM> wrote:

[in response to my comment on religion in fic]:

> And a more damning indictment of fanfic writers I have
> never seen.  All original characters are autobiographical
> Mary Sue's [snip]

Genevieve, I *never* said that, and I never would say that!
That is an enormous misrepresentation of my earlier
argument.

I apologise if I offended people with my views on religion
in fanfic. I said that it was my opinion, and that it was
no more than that. I certainly wouldn't try, or even want
to try, to stop anyone writing fics incorporating
discussion of religion; it's not something I'd be
particularly interested in reading, for the reasons I gave
earlier. I think that for every person who is happy to
shout their beliefs from the rooftop there would be someone
who'd prefer to keep it to themselves.

But please don't extrapolate from my comments something
which was never intended.

Thanks,

Wendy

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So far as I can tell this topic has not been stopped, so I'd like to give my
opinion here.  It is my personal opinion, so please don't anyone get upset.

In a message dated 3/15/00 12:23:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<<  Now, they don't die. But if a
 'deathfic' labelling system had been in operation, that
 story would not have had a label, thus removing any
 possibility of tension once the reader had realised that
 our heroes were in this life-threatening situation; and I
 didn't want that.  >>

I have to comment on this.  (I read the original controversy on the boards
too late to comment, so I kept quiet at that time.)

I want those warnings.  It really upsets me when a story ends in a manner
that I do not like and frankly, while I would NEVER tell an author how or
what to write, I won't read it or subsequent stories by the same author in
the same series.  And I do not want to find out that something I thought I
would enjoy turns out to be something I don't want to read.  Not just
because
it's death fiction BTW.  I enjoy some of that when it's handled well and is
appropriate.  Dances with Wells is an excellent example.

So, Wendy, I'm afraid I will always remove the 'tension' from a story if
that's what knowing the ending does, but frankly 1) that's not why I read
the
stories in the first place and I have to say 2) believe me I like the
characters so much that the tension is there in a well written story even
though I know how it turns out. Case in point Recognition - the only one.  I
read the ending first - and have read it and reread it a number of times and
every single time I enjoy it.  Knowing the ending and even how it came about
does not in any way decrease the tension I feel when Superman/Clark Kent is
in the hands of the Bureau39 scientists.  That is the mark of a good story,
not whether it has a whammy that shocks me the first time I read it.  And
BTW
that goes for every one of your stories, including An Ordinary Man, which I
have read several times and every time I read it I fear for the two of them.
(BG)

I read Lois and Clark because I love the characters and so I love to see how
people make them react in a lot of different situations, some painful, as
long as everything turns out right in the end. Cliff hangers and sequels are
somewhat heartrending so I often wait - impatiently of course - for the
conclusion of a story that sounds like it will be good and end the way I
want
it to.

And I do enjoy A-plots but that is not the reason for reading the stories.
I
say this even though I write stories with A plots, but my A plots are
designed to bring out my B plots not the other way around.  And while my
stories are sometimes broken up into parts, I won't end even a part with
either Lois or Clark in peril.  Too much of that as a child when watching
saturday morning serials at the local church(?)

Guess that's why I don't as a general rule read mysteries.  I've tried, Lord
knows, but I just can't enjoy a story in which plot is pretty much
everything.  The few mysteries I do like involve fascinating 'detectives' or
interesting settings (medieval, dog shows, Issac Asiimov's SF mysteries
etc.)
But take note in most mysteries the hero/detective does not die.  Indeed the
victim is more often than not a very unlikeable individual, certainly not
germaine to the plot.

There are certain writers I trust well enough to read an in-progress story.
So far none of them has ever let me down.  But I seldom read something on
the
message boards before it's finished.  That makes me a poor critic for
feedback I know, but I'd rather suggest a change to a story afterward than
start reading something I won't like.  This is, of course, my personal
opinion and should not be a reason for any writer to change his or her story
beginning, ending or the way it's told.

I would like to point out too that people read, reread, interpret, stage,
etc. Shakespeare's plays in spite of the fact that everybody knows how they
turn out.  It is not the plots that matter in Shakespeare's plays, it's what
one of the world's greatest writers did with those plots, most of which had
already been old, well known stories when the great playwrite set them down
in English.

And don't remind me that a lot of his plays are tragedies.  Tragedies when
well done can be excellent, but a tragedy which involves characters whom we
care about have to be handled particularily well.  I still feel awful every
time Hamlet dies!  And I'm just not ready to read a story about Lois and
Clark in which either of the main characters dies.

Charlotte - who refused to buy any comics in 1992 when DC killed Superman
until he came back to life - Clark Kent - not the other 'Supermen'  they
brought to take his place.  Even though she knew (hoped?) they would never
kill off their breadwinner.
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Sorry I haven't responded to this thread yet, but I was out of town until
today and I discovered the ton of emails about it a few hours ago, so I'm
gonna give it a try and put my two cents in (yes, this is a warning <g>)

First of all, the rating things. Seems XF really has a different ratings
depending on the country where it airs. This year the 6th season aired at 9
pm, and no one had a problem with that. I mean L&C used to air at that time,
too. We didn't get special warning, except a simple PG rating for *some*
episodes... and PG-12 for very few of them.

Which brings me to the subject of ratings, since we seem to have a different
system here too. Actually, we didn't have any ratings for TV until a few
years ago (except for porn), but for two or three years, we have about the
same ratings as in the movie theaters, i.e. nothing, or PG-12, PG-16 or
PG-18 (only for porn)... plus a special PG rating which comes up only for
TV.

Okay, that said, the ratings we get here are fairly different from the
ratings in the US. For example, the latest Tim Burton movie, "Sleepy Hollow"
was rated only PG-12 here, and I can be wrong, but I've heard it was rated
NC-17 in the US.
"Best Men" was rated PG on TV and had no particular rating in the theaters.
Actually, language... or even themes isn't something that has a strong
influence in the rating system. Generally, when a movie has a high rate,
it's for violence or *very* explicit and *numerous* sex scenes.

I remember a discussion I had with an American friend a few months ago, that
was about the rating of a nfic, had it been a movie. She told me it wouldn't
make it on TV there unless it was a pay-per-view network, whereas this nfic
would have been PG-12 and would have aired around 10 pm here, IMHO.

The same goes for the use of strong words in songs on the radio. Here there
is no *beep* instead of the f-word. It doesn't mean I'm someone who swears.
My point is just that it can only be a difference of opinion, and something
that sounds offending to some people doesn't sound as offending to others.

Ann wrote:
<<Which is why in French, it is pretty acceptable to say "Qu'est-ce
que tu fous?", but one would not say in the US, "What the f*** are you
doing?" without being considered crude.>>
This may be why "Best Men" didn't have a high rating here. I think this was
how Buzz's "What the f*** are you doing" was translated. The only reason why
it got a PG rating for TV was because of violence, but certainly not
language.

LabRat wrote:
<<Namely, can you level a charge of blasphamy at someone who doesn't share
your religion? An agnostic, an atheist, a Jew, a Moslem...can they blaspheme
a Christian god? Surely to blaspheme against a god you have to believe in
who you're blaspheming? Taking the Lord's name in vain is blasphamy, that's
a given. But surely only to his followers, for whom, after all, the
stricture was intended? On the question of blasphamy in fanfic, however,
there is of course courtesy. But perhaps it should extend on both sides of
the divide, with the realisation that not everyone shares the Christian
faith, as well as acknowledging that those who are of the Christian faith
may be offended by their use and consideration given to their pov by those
who don't share in it.>>

I totally agree with that. I admit I *do* use the word "God" or "OMG"
sometimes and never thought of it as a blasphemy or as something offending,
sorry about that. I mean I didn't even know that taking the Lord's name in
vain was blasphemy... my knowledge of blasphemy isn't very extended, and
actually, I thought that a word like "damn" would be considered as offending
for the Christians whereas "God" or "Jesus" would be okay... but maybe this
is also a difference of language, here.
Anyway, we don't all know what is right or what is wrong to say for every
religion. We have different beliefs or no religious beliefs at all, but I'm
pretty sure no-one on this list intends to offend anyone else or their
private beliefs.
But this is definitely a touchy subject everywhere. The other day I was
observing 8 year-olds in their classroom during a history class. When the
teacher began to explain that the war he was talking about had been started
because of difference of religious beliefs, some of the children got
agitated and started to talk about religion, even arguing with each other
about it.

Genevieve wrote:
<<It seems to me that, properly used, a swear word would be as effective as
an adverb or an adjective at setting the scene, or establishing someone's
character or emotional state.>>

Actually, as much as I never suspected that people might be offended by what
I didn't think as blasphemy, this particular subject strucked me a few
months ago as I was writing a fanfic, because it had Lois use a swear word,
but this was in a very particular situation and every strong vocabulary I
tried seemed out of character for this particular situation. I know I asked
a bunch of FoLCs about it, and no-one seemed to be shocked by it. I was just
advised to put asteriks in it <g> (that said, I still haven't submitted it
anywhere yet and might get turned down when I'll do it <g>)

Sorry for the babbly ramblings <g>

Hélène :)
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De : Wendy Richards <w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>

> 2. Is there anyone who would volunteer to help out at an
> alternative training session? Kathy suggested Sunday
> evening her time, but this is also likely to be late on
> this side of the Atlantic; and anyway, Kathy shouldn't have
> to do it all! What if something was run in parallel to the
> Kerths rehearsal on Saturday, when people would be online
> anyway - say, around 10pm GMT? I could try to be there
> myself, but I'm not confident enough of IRC to be a sole
> trainer.
>
> Volunteers welcome!

Well, I'm not sure I feel confident enough with the mirc shareware to be
able to help the European newbies, but I can try to help with some things
(although *not* with every secret of the mirc shareware <g>).

I can be here on Saturday night, 10 pm (Germany, Italy, France-time)...
um... 9 pm GMT (I think <g>) I remember I was really lost when I first
joined the irc last year but thankfully I got great help from the regulars
and thanks to them I think I can find my way around now <g>

Take care :)

Hélène :)
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Labrat wrote:
<< I have never read any of the comics - but I distinctly remember reading
in
one fanfic about Clark falling from a treehouse and breaking his arm before
his superpowers kicked in. Regardless, it seems that the author in question
was using comics canon, yes. >>

I'm sitting here wanting to bang my head on the desk because I can't
remember if I used that explanation in a fanfic or not. I can almost see
the scene in my head where Martha tells Lois that he broke his arm falling
out of the treehouse as a child but at the moment I can't even place which
story. If I did use it, it sure sounds like Sanctuary, but it's been so
long since I even read that one myself I can't remember. Ugh, it's horrible
when one can't even remember what one wrote.

BUT . . . if I did use it, I'm pretty sure I picked up the idea from
somewhere else. The specific details I remember are more than what would be
in an episode, so it's probably from somebody's fanfic. (If it's mine, I
think I will smack myself.) Still, didn't Martha say something about him
breaking his arm in the episode where he gets that virus? The title of that
one escapes me too. Or I suppose it's possible that I read something about
it being used as an explanation in the comics. I certainly didn't read it
in the comics, though, so why is the scene so clear in my head?

Please, somebody find the answer to this one or it's going to drive me
nuts. <g>
Beverly :-)
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Nancy Smith wrote:

> I don't know about Martha telling Lois, but I read a scene in Marcia
DeCaro's
> "Meeting Buddy" where Buddy tells Lois that her brother Brian dared Clark
to
> climb the tree and he fell out and broke his arm.  I'm sure that's not the
one
> you're thinking of, but it *is* in a fanfic.
>
> Nan
>
> "B. B. Medos" wrote:
>
> > Labrat wrote:
> > << I have never read any of the comics - but I distinctly remember
reading
> > in
> > one fanfic about Clark falling from a treehouse and breaking his arm
before
> > his superpowers kicked in. Regardless, it seems that the author in
question
> > was using comics canon, yes. >>
> >
> > I'm sitting here wanting to bang my head on the desk because I can't
> > remember if I used that explanation in a fanfic or not. I can almost see
> > the scene in my head where Martha tells Lois that he broke his arm
falling
> > out of the treehouse as a child but at the moment I can't even place
which
> > story. If I did use it, it sure sounds like Sanctuary, but it's been so
> > long since I even read that one myself I can't remember. Ugh, it's
horrible
> > when one can't even remember what one wrote.
> >
> > BUT . . . if I did use it, I'm pretty sure I picked up the idea from
> > somewhere else. The specific details I remember are more than what would
be
> > in an episode, so it's probably from somebody's fanfic. (If it's mine, I
> > think I will smack myself.) Still, didn't Martha say something about him
> > breaking his arm in the episode where he gets that virus? The title of
that
> > one escapes me too. Or I suppose it's possible that I read something
about
> > it being used as an explanation in the comics. I certainly didn't read
it
> > in the comics, though, so why is the scene so clear in my head?
> >
> > Please, somebody find the answer to this one or it's going to drive me
> > nuts. <g>
> > Beverly :-)
> > bbmedos@booksanctuary.com
> > Beverly's Book Sanctuary
> > http:\\www.booksanctuary.com
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Maybe Zoom can give us the definitive answer on this one.  I seem to
remember
someone saying that Clark's broken arm was an event from the comic books.
Zoom?                                         LaurieD
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I completely agree with everything you said in this latest post Wendy. =)

Alexis ;-.)

"Okay, what's everybody standing around for?  This is a newspaper, not happy
hour at Buckingham Palace."  Perry White, (LnC), THE PILOT.
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Charlotte,

How about 7 days where, like Wendy, I will eventually
put all my toys back, but maybe with a new dent here
or there?

James, who has whams instore for both L&C fans and 7
Days fans.  And by the time I get finished with this
story you may all hate me at one point or another!

I also delight in cliff hangers!

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Wendy Richards wrote:
>
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:31:18 -0500 Genevieve
> <nightsky@EROLS.COM> wrote:
>
> [in response to my comment on religion in fic]:
>
> > And a more damning indictment of fanfic writers I have
> > never seen.  All original characters are autobiographical
> > Mary Sue's [snip]
>
> Genevieve, I *never* said that, and I never would say that!
> That is an enormous misrepresentation of my earlier
> argument.

My apologies, Wendy.  I figured that since my next sentence was "OK, you
didn't say the "all original characters" part, but I've seen that
sentiment expressed on other lists," people would realize I was
extrapolating there, and that I was *not* attributing that feeling to
you.  I *have* seen *other* people say "I won't read anything with an
original female character, because they are all Mary Sues," but not
you.

Let me make it quite clear -- Wendy is quite right; she never said
that.  Again, my apologies.

> I apologise if I offended people with my views on religion
> in fanfic. I said that it was my opinion, and that it was
> no more than that. I certainly wouldn't try, or even want
> to try, to stop anyone writing fics incorporating
> discussion of religion; it's not something I'd be
> particularly interested in reading, for the reasons I gave
> earlier.

So, if I understand you correctly, you won't read fanfic with religious
themes for the same reason that some people won't read deathfics.  I can
understand that; if it's not your cup of tea -- fine.  But I didn't get
that impression from your first post.

Where caught my attention was when you said:

> I'd
> be inclined to suspect that any fanfic incorporating
> discussion and analysis of L&C's religious beliefs would
> say more about its author than about the characters -
> another version of a Mary Sue story, unless done *really*
> well.

And then this afternoon:
> I think that for every person who is happy to
> shout their beliefs from the rooftop there would be someone
> who'd prefer to keep it to themselves.

This is where I disagree with you.  I do *not* feel that it is necessary
for someone writing about a character to permeate the character with the
author's own personality and philosophy.  And I'm not just talking about
religion here.  Whether it's someone's views on sexual morality, or
politics, or God, our characters should be their own people, not just
distorted reflections of ourselves.  And, IMO of course, I think there
are a number of authors here on the list who could write such a story,
without shouting their own personal beliefs from the rooftops.

A story which tries to explore where Clark, or Lois, or Martha get their
inner strength, would, IMO, be interesting.  But since none of us are
superheros, or make a habit of putting ourselves in mortal danger on a
regular basis, or ever found a baby in a cornfield, our own experiences
won't be enough to develop their story.  We'll have to use our
imagination and extrapolate what their lives were like, to delve into
these mysteries.

My own life is boring -- kids, work, fandom, ocassionally seeing my
husband <g> -- there is no way I could base my stories on these
larger-than-life characters on my own life.  And, as Wendy rightly
points out, it wouldn't be believable if I did.
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And it's a cop-out to say that Lois and Clark get their inner strength
from their love from each other.  They both had that inner strength
before they fell in love, probably before they met each other.  Their
love may make it stronger, but it doesn't give it to them.
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Kathy said:
>Wouldn't he keep going (assuming his friends did, though I really can't see
>Clark going against his parents wishes no matter what his friends were
>doing)
>as long as he lived at home, if only *to* fit in?  And to what
>denomination?
>What would be most popular in small-town Kansas?  Lutheran?  Methodist?
>
>

Ah, finally something I know something about.  I most Midwest towns, the
predominate denomination is some form of Protestant.  And of the Protestant
demonations, Baptist is the most common.  Which I realize is totally off
topic, but you asked. <g>

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<<You know, there's a list somewhere (I don't remember
where and no longer have the bookmark) of things a
Superhero (or Innocent Bystander, Supervillain,
Sidekick, Fair Lady, etc) should never do.  It was
really hysterical.  Does anyone know what I'm talking
about? Tara>>

Hey Tara,

I found it!  I knew what you were talking about and I
just had to look in some old files.  It's at
http://users.erols.com/vansickl/scifi.htm
Enjoy everyone!
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Hi all,
Does anyone correspond with Plan9?  I check the fanfic boards daily, hoping
to see the return of On the Run, alas, no luck.  I am debating with myself
about the propriety of contacting her directly, but do not want to bother
her....what do you think?
Kate
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>Hi all,
>Does anyone correspond with Plan9?  I check the fanfic boards daily, hoping
>to see the return of On the Run, alas, no luck.  I am debating with myself
>about the propriety of contacting her directly, but do not want to bother
>her....what do you think?
>Kate

I don't think she'd mind.  (She is a she, isn't she?  And, no, I don't want
to start that again. <g>)  There are very few fanfic writers who don't love
feedback, and that someone's interested enough to bother to contact you
directly and ask nicely for more is about the best form of feedback you
could get.

So I'd say go for it.

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Hi -- I hesitate to post this in the midst of all the very interesting
comments on language, fic themes, & religion but I've set myself this
schedule.   btw, one of things I've been attempting to address in this story
is the issue of where Clark's inner strength comes from, but maybe it hasn't
been coming through.

As always, I welcome feedback.   I've repeated the last paragraph of part
17.

Thanks, Charlotte, for the nice comment about Recognition. :)

Carol
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Connections, part 18

Lois saw it and understood that the barrier was still there between them.
Fine -- she could handle that.  This was strictly business.  She allowed
herself to be gripped around the waist, saying as they drifted upward.
"It's
stored at Bureau 39 Headquarters, over on Grant and 33rd."

After a few moments of silent, awkward flight, Lois said, "There, over to
the
right -- that dark brick building beside Ebrahimi Imports."

Looking for an unobtrusive landing spot, Superman flew lower over the
building, then slipped downward into a weed strewn, vacant parking spot
wedged beside Bureau 39 and its neighbour, and blocked at the far end by a
three story addition abutting both buildings.  In a blur, he whirled back
into the working apparel of Clark Kent, adding to it the jacket which he had
dropped around Lois's shoulders earlier and which she now silently handed
him.

"Okay, I figure we can't just walk in the front entrance.  Which end of the
building do you thinks it's in?"  His tone was skeptical.  He didn't really
believe he would find anything here.

"We'll have to go out to the street.  We'll need to go around to the back of
the building  -- it's in the basement at the far end.

They headed out towards the street, walking quickly in the opposite
direction
from Bureau 39.  It had started to snow, that wet thick snow that turns
quickly to slush.  They both concentrated on it, avoiding conversation until
they reached what Lois figured was roughly the spot where the basement
storeroom was located.  Clark shifted his eyes along the foundation wall,
using his x-ray vision to do a quick scan of what lay below. "Yeah, I think
you're right."

"So how do we get in?"  The question was posed more to herself as she
inspected the back wall of the building, noticing at the far end a set of
double doors which were probably used for delivery purposes.  And probably
very secure.  The windows all had bars -- maybe that meant there was no
electronic security system in place yet.  Lois mentally crossed her fingers,
hoping that part of the new inflated Bureau 39 budget had not yet been
spent.

As she was thinking this, the man of acton beside her had crouched down and
was pulling the iron grill from the window.  Then, using his heat vision, he
sliced the perimeter of the glass, at the last minute inhaling deeply,
creating enough suction so that the glass would fall towards him.  Catching
it, he propped it up against the stone foundation beside the window frame.
As he did this, he said, "No one in this end of the building."

"I'm surprised -- isn't this just a little bit illegal -- I thought Superman
was above this sort of thing."

"Me too."  Forgetting for a second what had just happened between them, he
smiled slightly; then sobered.  "I'll go first and help you down."   He
slipped in through the opening, and quickly glanced around, double checking
to make sure that he had not alerted security.  No one.  "Okay," he
whispered,  "your turn."  He waited as she manoeuvred her legs through the
opening and then thrust her body forward.  He caught her as she slid
downwards, quickly releasing her when it was clear she was on her own two
feet.

"Which way?"

"I'm not sure.  We came from the opposite end I think.  Through rows of old
filing cabinets."

He looked around briefly.  "This way."

He veered off to the left and she followed, recognizing the way once they
found themselves in the alley of filing cabinets through which she had come
with Trask.  Suddenly Clark stopped in front of her.

"Voices.  Up ahead," he said, pulling her behind a tall bank of metal
cabinets.

Lois heard the voices, too.

"Okay, let's call it quits."

"Yeah.  It's way past five.  This has been quite a day!"

"I've never seen anything like this before.  The exterior metal is different
from anything we know on earth.  No wonder Trask is so protective of this
thing.  I'm not even sure what to call it -- a space craft, a module, what?"

"We have to get it over to the labs if we're gonna test the electronics
properly."

"I know, but Trask is really weird about it being taken off site.  He's had
it stashed away here for about a year, I think."

"Can't say I blame him.  This has to be the most significant find I've ever
seen."

Lois listened as the voices got closer; then, from her hiding position
behind
the  cabinets, she recognized Zarkowski as she and her companion walked past
them towards the door at the far end of the room.  Moments later, she heard
the door click shut and the lights were extinguished, leaving her and Clark
in darkness.  Well, her anyway, she thought.  She heard him whisper beside
her.

"This way."

She let him lead the way, uncertain in the darkness which enveloped them,
and
unwilling to admit it to him .  All she was aware of was his body in front
of
her as he walked in the direction from which Zarkowski had come.  Gradually
her eyes grew accustomed to the dimness of the room which was not entirely
in
darkness as the streetlight outside the far window provided some
illumination.

"It's just over here," she said.

And it was.  She had remembered correctly.  Once again it was covered, but
this time carelessly, by people knowing they would be back tomorrow.

Clark stepped ahead of her and noiselessly removed the covering, exposing
the
small ship which Lois had seen on two previous occasions.  In this dimmer
light, she could see little more than its outline but she knew that he, with
his enhanced vision, would not be so disabled.

Clark had been prepared to doubt whatever it was he would see here.  He had,
in fact, expected to see nothing.  But what he saw and what he had overhead
as the two government workers passed by had changed that.  There was no
doubt
in his mind that they were genuinely perplexed by what they had been
examining.  It was clearly outside their realm of experience and outside
their frame of reference.

What he saw now looked remarkably similar to what he had seen on the
Kryptonian space craft.  However it was smaller, not as sleekly designed,
but
it appeared to be made of similar material although it was a different tone
-- a steely blue.  Its nose was emblazoned with his symbol, the symbol of
the
House of El but it was different.  Smaller, as was the craft itself.  And
although there were runes incised along the side of the craft, there were no
hand indentations, and these ruins were larger.  The craft was the same,
only
it was different, the way an older car resembles this year's model.

He heard Lois speak beside him and he watched as she stepped haltingly
toward
the craft, sloed by the fact that she could not see as well as he.

"The hood opens. The catch is somewhere along here."

He watched as she ran her fingers, like a blind woman, along the ridge that
rimmed the hood.  Suddenly one side of the hood sprung loose and she removed
it; then she pulled back the top of the hood to reveal an interior fitted
with instrumentation which meant nothing to him.  He felt his breath catch
as
he stepped forward to touch the craft, unsure now of what he was seeing.  If
this was really what had transported him to earth then what had Zara shown
him?  The two vehicles were too similar in design for him to doubt some link
between them.  But one of them had to be a copy.

Instinctively, he turned to the woman beside him.  "Lois," his  voice was
nervous, uncertain.  He felt her touch on his sleeve, light, brief,
reassuring.

"I know, Clark.  But I don't think Trask was lying about this.  He told me
they dug it up near your farm, in Shuster's field."

"I remember the place," he said quietly.  Gently, he traced his large hands
over the exterior of the ship, then over its interior, learning it, trying
to
feel signs of what it had been.  The small, dark, leather-like interior
held,
in its centre, a soft cavity a little over two feet in length, shaped like a
nest, and surrounded by electronics.  Life support systems for an infant --
for him?  He touched it, stroking the soft material with his fingers.  Had
his Kryptonian mother placed him here?  He bit his lower lip as he wondered
what she had looked like, what she had felt as she had placed him here.
Thoughtfully he touched a strap, one of a pair which he thought were
probably
designed to secure him.

He felt Lois at his side.  She was not touching him, and yet somehow, he was
aware of her sympathy, aware of her.

"Lois, if this is my ship, then what has Zara got?"

"That's the big question, isn't?  But I'll tell you one thing she hasn't
got."

He detected a small note of mischievous pride in her voice and smiled.
"Something you've got, I bet."

"Yes, only it's in San Francisco."

"Pardon?"

"Slide your hand under the dashboard or whatever it is.  Keep going.
There."
 Her eyes were now accustomed to the room's dimness.  "Do you feel that
small
hole?"

"Yeah.  So what was in it, Lois?"

"A small sphere.  I discovered it when Trask was off pulling an old file for
me."

"And you took it."  Clark couldn't help but grin.  "Very resourceful, Ms.
Lane."

"I thought so."

"So why didn't you hand it over to Trask.  Why steal it?"

"Steal it!"  Her voice was offended.  "He stole your ship, Clark."

"Bet that's not what you were thinking."  He was still not prepared to give
her the benefit of the doubt when it came to her motivation.

She smiled in the darkness, acknowledging his comment.  "Probably not, but I
wasn't *not* thinking it either.  I mean, what right does the government
have
to your ship?  Anyway, I had it in my hand when I heard Trask returning so I
just shoved it in my bag.  I didn't really think *why* I did it."  She felt
like she was a suspect on that TV show, the one where they catch the guy and
then try to pin him down in court -- Pursuit and Judgment.

"I see.  You do realize sooner or later he's gonna figure you've taken it,
if
he hasn't already."

Recalling Trask's hostile summons this afternoon, Lois thought Clark might
have a point.  "Maybe," she said, her tone neutral.  Whatever was about to
transpire between her and Trask, she had no intention of involving Superman
or Clark Kent or Kal El or any other unknown persona he might have up his
sleeve.

"Where is it now, Lois?"

"With a friend."

They heard the sound of a door creaking open and then footsteps approaching
from the far side of the darkened room.  The bright arc of a flashlight
swept
the room quickly; then the footsteps retreated, and the door closed.

"Security check.  We should get out of here," Lois whispered.

"Just a second."  Clark bent over and methodically but quickly, yet
eschewing
superspeed, moved his hands over the surface and the interior of the ship.

"What are you looking for?"

"Wanna make sure there isn't anything else that might just pop up," he said
lightly, not telling her he was hoping he might trigger a hologram, a
message
from those parents he had no memory of.  His fingers finished their
exploration, leaving him disappointed.  "Okay, let's go."

"Where to?"

"San Francisco and then back to Zara's apartment."

*****

end, part 18
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Subject:      Just read It happened one super night
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WOW!

I usually chuck a story that has Lois and Clark intimate before marriage,
but something just compeled me to continue reading.  In this case I a  glad
I did.  This is a great story!

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The only thing I find unbelievable is the dream squence the Lois early on.
It is WAY too realistic for someone that has never had children to had. :)

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I don't know if anyone else has already sent it, but here you go:

http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html

>
>Also could someone give me the link to the LISTSERV archive?
>
>Thanks in advance!

Not a problem :)

Tara

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Lois leaned against her husband for the support he offered.  "Are you saying
that everything--Perry, Jimmy, the Planet, Metropolis--our whole lives--has
been a simulation?"---exerpt of Legacy, coming soon to a msg board near you.

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Hi Kate

I think she (?) would enjoy hearing from you.  I wrote to Plan9Lives last
fall and I received a very nice note back explaining what had been going on
with all of the activity on the Zoom's boards.  Then we were given the treat
of that mini "On the Run" marathon where there was a new section posted
every
day.  Things got pretty hectic again in her (?) life and career and we
haven't seen any new parts since about Oct.  I've been meaning to write, but
just haven't.  The story is huge and the end is near.....but there is still
a
lot of writing to go to finish that epic.  It distresses me to think that it
has been almost three years of work on this "labor of love" and it remains
unfinished :(

Good luck,
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In a message dated 3/16/00 6:58:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ccmalo@AOL.COM
writes:

<< I hesitate to post this in the midst of all the very interesting
 comments on language, fic themes, & religion but I've set myself this
 schedule. >>

Oh Carol, please don't ever hesitate.  Looking forward to your installments,
always!  I love the way you are using the two different ships, an obvious
reference to the unexplained difference in the show?  The plot thickens,
can't wait to see whats next.
Kate
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This is why I'm going to include a WHAM warning when I get around to
Future's Past.  I kill off a bunch of the characters, but I'm of the 'return
borrowed toys in the same or better condition than when I borrowed them in'
crowd.  Everyone comes through all right, I just don't want to turn a lot of
people off of the story right at the beginning.

I, personally, regard Lois and Clark and co. as too real to me to want to
see them killed off.  :(  Not my idea of fun.

Tara

>
>I want those warnings.  It really upsets me when a story ends in a manner
>that I do not like and frankly, while I would NEVER tell an author how or
>what to write, I won't read it or subsequent stories by the same author in
>the same series.  And I do not want to find out that something I thought I
>would enjoy turns out to be something I don't want to read.  Not just
>because
>it's death fiction BTW.  I enjoy some of that when it's handled well and is
>appropriate.  Dances with Wells is an excellent example.
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Carol,

Loved this section.  Both of them still not believing completely in each
other, but still working together to find the truth.  And just what *is*
Zara up to?   hmmm...

Can't wait for chapter 19!

KathR
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This is the twentieth installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day in
the=20
Life of Metropolis."  For more information, please go to: <A=20
HREF=3D"http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/adayinthelifeofmetropolis">Yahoo!
Clubs=
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adayinthelifeofmetropolis</A>=20

Public and private feedback is more than welcomed! =3D)

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cast List

Clark Kent : Alexis W. (that's me!)
Lois Lane: Alexis W.
Cat Grant: Renda
Anya Starr: Tabitha
Batman: Sam F.
Sam Falcon: Sam F.
Nightwing: Dave
Lucy Lane: Liz

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
WEEK #21
(2/28 to 3/5)

Re: Batman

Dick grunted as he tugged at the roof of the stalled elevator.=20
"I could use some help", Dick said through gritted teeth as the metal=20
plate loosened under his gloves.

Nightwing peered into the elevator. "Sam? Anya?"
Dick winced as he realized Batman could hear him call for=20
Miss Falcon through the open frequency on his communicator.

"What=92s that supposed to mean? Where's Sam?" Batman asked.=20
 >tbc<

* * * *
Cat continues the search.

Cat continued to search the Observatory for people and anything of=20
importance as to the reason for why the building was shaking.=20
"This isn't the kind of evening I had envisioned!" Cat told herself as=20
she banged on another elevator door and called out, listening for sounds=20
of life. Cat couldn't be sure, but it sounded like no one was in this=20
elevator.=20
She called the Fire personnel and told them that it appeared to be empty,=20
but they might still want to pry open the doors just in case. She started=20
up the stairs to search the upper level when the stairs seemed to be=20
unsteady and feel like they would collapse. She looked around for=20
something stable and threw her rope with the weight on the end. It hit=20
it's target and Cat swung off the stairs just before they fell in on=20
themselves. "Whew! That was close." Cat searched the room from=20
her pearch, looking for anyone she knew or any signs of life.

Cat looked out over the scene of over turned tables, fallen statues and=20
total debucle. She started to swing on up to the upper level when she=20
heard moaning. Looking down, Cat saw a familar hand underneath a table.=20
"Oh God!" Cat's statement froze in her throat as she swung back down to=20
the main floor. She made her way to the table and the arm sticking out.=20
She managed to get the debris and table off the young lady. "Lucy! Lucy=20
can you hear me?" Cat asked and patted her face. Lucy continued to moan=20
but wasn't responding to her voice. Cat picked up a glass that still had=20
some water in it. She found a napkin and dipped it into the glass. Then=20
she rubbed it across Lucy Lane's forehead. "Lucy, can you hear me?" Cat=20
asked her again. *Jesus, this isn't happening to me.* Cat got her=20
cel lphone out and phoned the Medics. "Yes, I=92ve found a friend of=20
mine lying in the main ballroom, she was under a table and appears to be=20
in shock." The medics told Cat to stay with Lucy and they would be=20
there soon. A tear welled up in Cat's eyes and she fought to control her=20
emotions. *But where is Clark, and Lois and the others?* Cat asked=20
mentally. Cat heard Lucy moan again and she looked down.
"Oh God where is Jimmy?" Cat looked frightened as she spoke that=20
question aloud.  The last time she had seen Jimmy Olsen was=20
with Lucy Lane, happy and dancing.

Cat didn't move Lucy, but she checked her for open wounds. There was a=20
small head wound and it appears that she sprained her wrist in the fall.=20
Cat also checked her respiration and rib cage. Lucy moaned loudly when=20
Cat checked her ribs. "Broken ribs! Oh Lord, I hope no internal=20
bleeding." Cat kept talking to Lucy and waited for the medics to arrive=20
and for Lucy to come too enough to talk to her.

Lucy tried to open her eyes, but her eyelids seemed to weigh a hundred=20
pounds. She finally managed as she looked up at the fuzzy image of Cat=20
kneeling over her. She tried to sit up but couldn't... and a sharp pain=20
came when she took a breath.=20

"Wha... what happened?... Where's Jimmy?!?" she said as she tried to=20
frantically look around... "That woman... she took his camera! She took=20
it, and he ran after her... I tried to go after him...but... the=20
ground... it started shaking! Where is he??"
Lucy moaned as she struggled to stay awake.

"Lucy, you need to be still!" Cat told Lucy as she came to and started=20
asking for Jimmy. "I think Jimmy made it outside before the building=20
started shaking. We=92ll find him, Lucy you just be still until the=20
medics get here." Cat told Lucy and tried to reassure her that Jimmy=20
would be found safe and sound. *What women would steal Jimmy's camera?*=20
Cat asked herself. "This night gets weirder by the nano second." Cat=20
whispered to herself as she sat beside Lucy, praying that Jimmy was=20
indeed al lright. *If anyone has hurt Jimmy, well they'll have to answer=20
to me!* Cat thought to herself as she waited for the medics.
>tbc<=20

* * * *
Re: Clark to the rescue!

To Clark's horror, he watched a huge piece of concrete fall across Lois'=20
trembling body. Fortunately the block had just missed her head.
Clark quickly flew over to where Lois lay. "Oh my God...What have I=20
done?" he asked himself as he tried to hold back his tears. "If=20
she's...I mean if she's...If..." Clark couldn't and wouldn't finish that=20
sentance.

He swiftly removed the debris lying across the upper half of her body.=20
Clark didn't care if anyone saw him lifting up concrete like it was a=20
feather. All he cared about, was getting to the woman he loved.
>tbc<

 * * * *

Re: Cat continues the search.

"Ms. Grant are you here?" The medics called out into the dim=20
Observatory ballroom. Cat scrambled to her feet and called out. "I am=20
here, and my friend needs help!" "Lucy, the medics are here, and they=20
will help you, and I'll find Jimmy. Don't worry, Lucy." Cat told the=20
young lady and tried to reassure Lucy and herself that everything would=20
be all right.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Clark to the rescue!

"Oh God!" he cried when he dropped to the ground and looked at Lois'=20
limp body. Clark dropped his head onto her lap and sobbed. His life as=20
he knew it was over...or was it? Clark stopped crying and realized there=20
was something he could do. He was so out of it, that he had completely=20
forgotten that he was Superman!
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Batman

Nightwing could hear Batman's grim voice as he called into the elevator.=20
"Sam!? Are you okay?! I'm coming down!"

Dick switched off his communicator, ignoring Batman's insistant voice,=20
as he climbed into the elevator.=20
 >tbc<
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Re: Batman

Sam heard something above her moving in the darkness. Then she heard=20
someone call her name. At first she didn't recognize his voice. Then in=20
the background she thought she heard Batman's voice.

When Nightwing calls again and asks if she's okay, she replied. "I'm=20
fine, just wasn't in much of a hurry to explore what options I had. I=20
was kind of hoping one of you three would show up," she said with a=20
nervousness in her voice making itself evident through the humor.=20
 >tbc<
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Re: Batman

Nightwing dropped into the elevator cabin, and looked in Sam's=20
direction. Even in the dim light, Dick could see her gorgeous eyes=20
probing his own through the mask as she looked at him.=20

Dick moved slowly toward her, feeling strangely awkward. He wanted to=20
help her, but Dick hesitated to get too close.  "Are you okay? Are you
hurt?=
=20
Bruce is going to have a fit when he finds out you were caught in here."=20
He could feel his anger growing. "Bruce needs to have his mind on helping=20
these people, and now this is just one added distraction!"

High above him, Dick could hear a slight rumbling from above, but=20
ignored it as he finally stepped toward Sam. "C'mon... I gotta get you=20
out of here."
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Clark to the rescue!

He moved over to Lois' mouth and carefully lifted her chin. Clark placed=20
his lips over hers and slowly blew into her wind pipe. He stopped for=20
just a momment and then did it again.

"Clark..." Lois coughed.
"Lois!" he exclaimed.
"Oh Clark...I thought...I thought..." she started crying.
"Hush Lois, don't cry. You're safe now. Everything's going to be okay."
The two reporters heard screams echoing throughout the building.
"Clark...please hold me...I don't want to be alone."
"Okay Lois, I'm right here...I'm right here," Clark soothed as he slowly=20
brought her body into his arms. "I'm not going to leave you...even if it=20
means we get stuck in this building together..." he whispered to himself=20
as he softly brushed his fingers through her hair.
>tbc<=20

* * * *

Diego calls Cat=92s  phone

Diego dialed Cat's cell phone. "Hello, Cat here!" Diego smiled with=20
relief. "Princess! It is great to hear your voice." "Diego! Are you=20
okay?" "Yes, I am fine." "How are you Catherine?" "Okay, I am sitting=20
with Lucy Lane at the moment the Medics are here checking her out.=20
Diego, how wide spread is the damage?" "Catherine, It appears to be only=20
the Observatory at this moment." Diego told Cat. "Catherine, listen to=20
me you need to get out of that place." "Diego, I can't leave yet." Cat=20
told him. "Where are you?" Diego smiled and replied into his phone.=20
"Currently, I am with Perry White. We are trying to find out how wide=20
spread this quaking is and will be." "Diego, I miss you!" "I miss you=20
too Princess, you take care of yourself." "You also, Diego." "Well you=20
know me Princess, I am like the Fox!" Cat smiled and hung up the phone.=20
To herself she whispered, "Be careful my Fox!"
>tbc<
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Re: Diego calls Cat=92s phone

Anya shievered as she looked down from on top of the elevator to the=20
shaft that loomed below. "Ok I think I can do this hopefully," and she=20
started climbing up the strong cable very slowly. "What I wouldn't give=20
to be in some pants...just don't look down," said Anya as she gulped and=20
continued climbing very slowly.=20
 >tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Re: Diego calls Cat=92s phone

Diego hung up his phone and turned to Perry, Mayson and Ramone. "Well=20
at least we know where Catherine and Lucy Lane are. Lucy is injured,=20
Catherine and the medics are with her right now. Catherine is staying=20
with Lucy to make sure that she gets out of the Observatory all right,"=20
Diego told the rest of the group. Ramone nodded to his brother and=20
replied, "Should we go now and assist them with rescue?" Diego nodded.=20
"Yes, I think that is the best plan." Perry and Mayson looked at them=20
and said in unison, "Not without us you're not!" Diego turned to Perry=20
and Mayson and said in no uncertain terms. "The two of you must stay=20
here in case some of the other's call here needing assistance. We will=20
stay in touch with our cell phones. We must all work together or someone=20
can slip through the cracks." Perry nodded in agreement. "Diego is=20
right, Mayson! Judas Priest, we do have to set up a chain of=20
communications."

Diego and Ramone left the Celtic Queen hotel and started back to the=20
Observatory. In the back of Diego's mind he kept remembering man-made=20
quakes and how most insane criminals wait and pull the largest one when=20
least expected. "Ramone, we must rely on all our training tonight."=20
Ramone looked at his brother and smiled. "Of course Diego! We shall=20
prevail!" The two brothers smiled as they went back into the danger=20
zone.
>tbc<=20

* * * *
Re: Batman

Sam took his hand and let him help her up. "I'm fine, just not fond of=20
being stuck in elevators during earthquakes . . .Does he know I'm in=20
here?"

Dick shook his head. "No, he has no idea.. and I'd like to keep it that=20
way. You'll be fine."

Dick lead her to the roof of the elevator car, and glanced to the top of=20
the elevator shaft. Dick frowned as he reached for the infra-red=20
binoculars in his utility belt and gazed again toward the top of the=20
shaft.

"We're in trouble. Something must've fallen on top of the shaft opening.=20
We're stuck here till someone can find us." Nightwing sighed. He knew=20
telling her the rest, telling her they only had a a limited supply of=20
air would only make things worse.

And where was Anya? Was she okay? Dick could feel his heart sink at=20
that thought of never seeing her again.

Nightwing flipped open his communicator and spoke into it. "Batman?"=20
Static meet his voice as he clicked the device off. "Whatever that thing=20
is, it's interferring with the communicators. The only way Bruce could=20
find us would be the homing device in my belt, but I'm not even sure=20
that's functioning."

Dick sighed. "Way to go, Dick... Master crime fighter... sheesh...",=20
he whispered ruefully.

He thought about the next few hours alone in the shaft with only Sam as=20
company.

"Great..." Dick grunted.=20
"That's a good thing. I'm the last person who wants to distract him."
Sam looked up and tried to make out anything in the darkness. When he=20
flipped open the communicator and can't get anything, she was a little=20
discouraged. "Someone will find us. Hopefully they heard the alarm when=20
I turned it on a few minutes ago."

She could hear him mutter something, but let it go. "So what next?=20
Do we go back down into the elevator?"=20
>tbc<

* * * *
Look for Week #22 coming to a PC near you!

Enjoy!

Alexis ;-.)
{"ADITLOM" arbitrator}

"Okay, what's everybody standing around for?  This is a newspaper, not
happy=
=20
hour at Buckingham Palace."  Perry White, (LnC), THE PILOT.

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Hi everyone!

Sorry if some of you get this message twice.  I wanted to make sure to reach
as many people as possible.

First of all, a reminder:  VOTING ENDS ON SUNDAY, MARCH 19th AT MIDNIGHT
EST!!
That's three days, FoLCs!!  So hurry and cast those votes!  For more
information on how and where to vote, go to my Kerth website's voting page:
www.ida.net/users/davek/kerth_voting.htm

Now, onto the ceremony and sounds information:

Many of you have asked where to go to download the sounds (wavs) we'll be
using on IRC during the Kerth Awards ceremony.  Chris has these Kerth sounds
available on her webpage, so you can go there to get them:
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/kerth/kerthsounds.html

And just for your information, I have this URL (and others) posted on my
newly
updated Kerth Ceremony page on my website, with other ceremony information,
as
well:   http://www.ida.net/users/davek/kerths_ceremony.htm

Remember, the Kerth Awards ceremony is in one week:  Saturday, March 25th.
We
hope to see you there!

Erin  :)
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In a message dated 3/16/00 6:22:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, erink@IDA.NET
writes:

<< Chris has these Kerth sounds
 available on her webpage, so you can go there to get them:
 http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/kerth/kerthsounds.html >>

Um, that's actually Annie's site. I have them too. There's a self extracting
zip file at the end of the list. http://www.ixpres.com/chrispat/wavs

Chris
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When I try to go to

http://www.ida.net/users/davek/kerths_ceremony.htm

I get

HTTP Error 404
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Date:         Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:05:48 -0500
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From:         T'Val <startrekfreak1@WEBTV.NET>
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Hello everyone,

I'm new around here although I'm not new to Lois and Clark. It does look
like I picked an interesting time to finally join the list what with all
the debates going on around here. My name is Emily Rogers I'm 24 years
old living in Massachusetts.

Now that's out of the way so let me just say I also think that this a
really great story. I think that if you haven't read it you should go to
the archive right now and read it and also it's wonderful sequel called
It's a Super Life.
I think I've noticed the author over here and if it is the same person
let me just say I absolutely *loved* both of your stories.

Bye for now
Emily Rogers
startrekfreak1@webtv.net
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Ok, I goofed.  I finally get up the nerve to send a very short fanfic out
and I send it to the wrong list.  (To those of you on both this list and the
nfic list I apologize for the duplication.)

I've posted only one other fic, but that was about 5 years ago - I'm great
for starting stories just not finishing and posting them.  Even though this
is decidedly short and can be considered nothing but empty calories I'd love
to hear some comments!

Amy
rupp@netsync.net

Candy Coating

        Lois flopped down into the kitchen chair, disgusted.  Clark had
stood her
up again.  Well, not Clark so much as Superman.  They’d had plans every
night this week and every night Lois sat alone at the theatre, the rock
concert, and the ball game.  Tonight they were just going to snuggle on the
couch, watch a video or two and eat junk food.

        She sighed as she looked at the collection of potato chips,
pretzels,
popcorn and candy that sat untouched on the kitchen table.  Pulling a bag of
chocolate candy from the heap, she tugged at its edges until its contents
exploded.  Tiny candy bits clattered over the table and onto the floor.

        Lois looked down at the colorful candies that now dotted her floor.
She’d
always been so busy eating them that she’d never noticed the colors before.
Oh sure, everybody remembered the brown, orange and green ones, but once you
removed those colors…yellow, red and blue.  Popping a handful of brown M&Ms
into her mouth she set to her task.

Several hours later...

        Clark flicked on the kitchen light as he entered and walked over to
where
his wife lay sleeping, slumped over the kitchen table.  He’d disappointed
her again.  She rarely said anything about his “second job,” but he knew how
desperately she wanted some time with him.  He wanted the very same thing.

        He studied the candy art that covered the table as he slipped her
into his
arms.  A smile crossed his face - how did he get so lucky?  He gently kissed
some of the melted chocolate of her face.

        “Mmm,” Lois moaned as she wrapped her arms around Clark.

        “I love you, Lois.” Clark said as carried he sleeping wife up to
bed,
leaving behind the large red C framed in yellow and blue.
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nice little story
merry

The Rupps wrote:

> Ok, I goofed.  I finally get up the nerve to send a very short fanfic out
> and I send it to the wrong list.  (To those of you on both this list and
the
> nfic list I apologize for the duplication.)
>
> I've posted only one other fic, but that was about 5 years ago - I'm great
> for starting stories just not finishing and posting them.  Even though
this
> is decidedly short and can be considered nothing but empty calories I'd
love
> to hear some comments!
>
> Amy
> rupp@netsync.net
>
> Candy Coating
>
>         Lois flopped down into the kitchen chair, disgusted.  Clark had
stood her
> up again.  Well, not Clark so much as Superman.  They’d had plans every
> night this week and every night Lois sat alone at the theatre, the rock
> concert, and the ball game.  Tonight they were just going to snuggle on
the
> couch, watch a video or two and eat junk food.
>
>         She sighed as she looked at the collection of potato chips,
pretzels,
> popcorn and candy that sat untouched on the kitchen table.  Pulling a bag
of
> chocolate candy from the heap, she tugged at its edges until its contents
> exploded.  Tiny candy bits clattered over the table and onto the floor.
>
>         Lois looked down at the colorful candies that now dotted her
floor.  She’d
> always been so busy eating them that she’d never noticed the colors
before.
> Oh sure, everybody remembered the brown, orange and green ones, but once
you
> removed those colors…yellow, red and blue.  Popping a handful of brown
M&Ms
> into her mouth she set to her task.
>
> Several hours later...
>
>         Clark flicked on the kitchen light as he entered and walked over
to where
> his wife lay sleeping, slumped over the kitchen table.  He’d disappointed
> her again.  She rarely said anything about his “second job,” but he knew
how
> desperately she wanted some time with him.  He wanted the very same thing.
>
>         He studied the candy art that covered the table as he slipped her
into his
> arms.  A smile crossed his face - how did he get so lucky?  He gently
kissed
> some of the melted chocolate of her face.
>
>         “Mmm,” Lois moaned as she wrapped her arms around Clark.
>
>         “I love you, Lois.” Clark said as carried he sleeping wife up to
bed,
> leaving behind the large red C framed in yellow and blue.
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that was really cute :)

Alicia
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Go to Erin's site.  You can get to the Kerth pages from there.  The URL
is:    http://www.ida.net/users/davek/

Nan
James Tull wrote:

> When I try to go to
>
> http://www.ida.net/users/davek/kerths_ceremony.htm
>
> I get
>
> HTTP Error 404
> 404 Not Found
>
> The Web server cannot find the file or script you
> asked for. Please check the URL to ensure that the
> path is correct.
>
> Please contact the server's administrator if this
> problem persists.
>
> HELP
>
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathybrown91@HOME.COM>
Subject:      Re: Canon... or canon? :)

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:16:55 -0500, Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL> wrote:
>is Clark breaking his arm canon from the show, canon from
>fanfic, or canon (or not canon at all) from another source entirely?

Clark fell out of a tree and broke his arm at four years old (not eight), in
the comics.  Some fanfic writers have used this, but it is by no means so
well used that I would call it 'fanfic canon'.  Certainly not as well used
as
"CJ" being their first son's name, etc.

It was never mentioned on the show, not even in the episode where Clark gets
sick (that episode is "Home is Where the Hurt Is", Bev -- the 3rd season
Xmas
episode.)  If it sounds familiar to you, I'm sure you just read it in one or
more fanfics. (And I do that, too, get them confused -- I was sure Clark had
met Ellen before, in HoL, but we never see it.)

Hope this helps, Hazel!

Kathy
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:41:44 CST, Jessi Mounts <jessi914@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>Ah, finally something I know something about.  I most Midwest towns, the
>predominate denomination is some form of Protestant.  And of the Protestant
>demonations, Baptist is the most common.

Agreed on Protestant, which is why I offered Lutheran or Methodist as
possible options.  Baptists do make the largest segment of American
Protestants, but do they in Kansas?  I have no idea.  I know we have a lot
of
Baptists in the southern US (Southern Baptist) and up north you have your
American Baptists (the church denomination I was married in, in fact).  Are
they popular in Kansas as well?  I don't know, and even if they were (or
weren't), it wouldn't mean that the Kents had to attend the biggest church
in
town. Interesting things to consider, at least.

Kathy
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Aww, how sweet! <snicker!>

Tara

>From: The Rupps <rupp@NETSYNC.NET>
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>Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:56:16 -0800
>
>Ok, I goofed.  I finally get up the nerve to send a very short fanfic out
>and I send it to the wrong list.  (To those of you on both this list and
>the
>nfic list I apologize for the duplication.)
>
>I've posted only one other fic, but that was about 5 years ago - I'm great
>for starting stories just not finishing and posting them.  Even though this
>is decidedly short and can be considered nothing but empty calories I'd
>love
>to hear some comments!
>
>Amy
>rupp@netsync.net
>
>

note the new eddress
starkitty__@hotmail.com   Don't ask why I switched.

Lois leaned against her husband for the support he offered.  "Are you saying
that everything--Perry, Jimmy, the Planet, Metropolis--our whole lives--has
been a simulation?"---exerpt of Legacy, coming soon to a msg board--and
elist--near you.

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At 08:31 AM 16/03/2000 -0500, Genevieve wrote:
<snip>
>Let me add a couple more questions to the list I started last night:
>
>1.  Where did Clark get his vision of right and wrong?  From religion?
>Or from someplace else?  If it's innate, who (what) put it there?
>Superman can very easily be seen as a prophet or a saviour figure.
Genevieve,
I'm sure you've read Elliot Maggin's "Last Son of Krypton".  Remember how
in that book, the author has Clark able to see some sort of aura around all
living things; there's a scene there when as a child the school bus he's on
knocks down a dog, and it dies.  Clark is so put off by the loss of the
dog's aura that he actually throws up, and takes the rest of the day off
from school, literally sickened.

Wonder if "our" Clark has the same feelings/abilities?
Jen
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The sequel to Susan VanCott's "Disquiet Nights (As Dreamers Do)" is
"Freedom" by ML Thompson and I can't *believe* you guys haven't read it!
Though that does explain why it didn't get a Kerth nomination.  Well, since
it didn't, I supose you'd better finish your Kerth reading first; but as
soon as you place your votes, go!  It's a well-writen, engageing story.

LabRat- most of what I know about annulment I learned from "Freedom."

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:55:35 -0500 James Tull
<mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM> wrote:

> WOW!

Thanks for the vote of confidence, James!

> I usually chuck a story that has Lois and Clark intimate
> before marriage, but something just compeled me to continue
> reading.  In this case I a  glad I did.  This is a great
> story!

:)  You may not have noticed, but any time I do write Lois
and Clark sleeping together before marriage, they always
end up engaged or married by the end of the story - a
perfectly acceptable outcome to me. <g>

Emily wrote:
> Now that's out of the way so let me just say I also think
> that this a really great story. I think that if you
> haven't read it you should go to the archive right now
> and read it and also it's wonderful sequel called
> It's a Super Life.
> I think I've noticed the author over here and if it is
> the same person let me just say I absolutely *loved* both
> of your stories.

Yes, I'm here, Emily, and thank you very much! I'm very
flattered and still blushing!

James added:
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>

>
> The only thing I find unbelievable is the dream squence the
> Lois early on. It is WAY too realistic for someone that has
> never had children to had. :)

Ya think?!  I've never had children, and that scene came
entirely from my imagination... go figure! <g>

Wendy

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----- Original Message -----
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> Agreed on Protestant, which is why I offered Lutheran or Methodist as
> possible options.  Baptists do make the largest segment of American
> Protestants, but do they in Kansas?  I have no idea.  I know we have a lot
of
> Baptists in the southern US (Southern Baptist) and up north you have your
> American Baptists (the church denomination I was married in, in fact).
Are
> they popular in Kansas as well?  I don't know, and even if they were (or
> weren't), it wouldn't mean that the Kents had to attend the biggest church
in
> town. Interesting things to consider, at least.
>
> Kathy

I've been following this debate with interest due to the fact that the
subject
of religion is one which is being discussed in a class I'm taking.

Anyone considered that they might be Pentacostal? Okay, maybe not. <g> Maybe
it's one of the 'community' churches that are pretty much independent of
denominations.

And yes, I believe there are quite a few Baptists in Kansas (not quite the
amount as there are in South Carolina, of course, but quite a few). Whether
they're Southern Baptist or American/Independent/Free/Whatever Baptists I
couldn't say.

For anyone living in Iowa or Michigan, however, I can assure you that they
are
*not* CRC, IRC or Reformed! Those denominations are few and far between
anywhere
else in the country no matter how much of a majority they hold in some
areas.

Rachel
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Hi everyone,

I hear many of you talking about being subscribed to both this list, and an
Nfic list.  I
knew about the nfic archive, and Zooms nfanfic boards, but I did not know
there was a
nfic list.  Is there anyone out there that could please give me the
information so that I
can subscribe to it?  Yes I am over 18!! :-)

Thanks in advance!
Lori-who is soooooooo swamped with all of this Kerth reading to get
thorough, but
loving every minute of it!!!
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Subsequent to my earlier email, I've had a few people say
that they would welcome a session on Saturday evening for
IRC practice. So I'm suggesting 10pm GMT, which is 11pm CET
and 5pm EST.

The channel will be #KerthTutorial.
It would be a good idea if you have already downloaded the
sounds, as suggested in Erin's earlier email, since you'll
want to practice playing sounds.

Thanks to those 'expert' IRC users who've promised to come
and help. I'd welcome any and all assistance, since I don't
consider myself any more than a reasonably competent
amateur!

See you there!

Wendy

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The Link had an extra s in it this one works.
http://www.ida.net/users/davek/kerth_ceremony.htm

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OR not
It will really work this time. I swear.

http://www.ida.net/users/davek/kerth_ceremony.html

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How sweet, no pun intended.

What do you all think?  Would this go for WAFF or just
Short story?

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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:03:36 -0800
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> James added:
> > S
> > P
> > O
> > I
> > L
> > E
> > R
> >
>
> >
> > The only thing I find unbelievable is the dream
> squence the
> > Lois early on. It is WAY too realistic for someone
> that has
> > never had children to had. :)

Wendy wrote
> Ya think?!  I've never had children, and that scene
> came
> entirely from my imagination... go figure! <g>

You must have ALOT of new parent friends.

James

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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:53:40 +0000
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:03:36 -0800 James Tull
<mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM> wrote:

> Wendy wrote
> > Ya think?!  I've never had children, and that scene
> > came
> > entirely from my imagination... go figure! <g>
>
> You must have A LOT of new parent friends.

Nope, none at all. <g>   Just - it seems - a good
imagination.

Wendy
----------------------
Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:45:56 -0600
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From:         Brenda Arendt <d.arendt@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
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I agree, this is a great story.  I started reading it last night and could
not stop until I had finished it.  Sleep is highly over rated anyway.

Brenda
-----Original Message-----
From: Diyan <zimri@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
<LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 5:15 AM
Subject: Freedom (fanfic recomendation) from LabRat's query

>The sequel to Susan VanCott's "Disquiet Nights (As Dreamers Do)" is
>"Freedom" by ML Thompson and I can't *believe* you guys haven't read it!
>Though that does explain why it didn't get a Kerth nomination.  Well, since
>it didn't, I supose you'd better finish your Kerth reading first; but as
>soon as you place your votes, go!  It's a well-writen, engageing story.
>
>LabRat- most of what I know about annulment I learned from "Freedom."
>
>
>-Dia
>
>
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:56:18 -0000
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Posting this for Labrat...

************
Diyan wrote:

> LabRat- most of what I know about annulment I learned from "Freedom."
>
Thanks, Dia. I have read it, I just don't remember much about it. Thanks to
someone who shall remain nameless (commonly known as The Lurker <G>) who
trawled through some websites for me (thanks to my ongoing server problems I
haven't been able to dl a website for two weeks now :/) , I've got a wealth
of information on the subject. But I'll check out Freedom too and refresh my
memory. Thanks for the help.

LabRat :)
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:40:35 -0500
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From:         James Tull <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Medical question

When they attach electrodes to monitor brainwave and EKGs and the like, do
the electrodes just lay on top or do the prick the skin?

Have plans for our favorite Kryptonian but need to know how those thingies
work.

James, who if at all possible avoids situations that require said thingies!
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:48:54 EST
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In a message dated 3/17/00 4:40:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM
writes:

<< When they attach electrodes to monitor brainwave and EKGs and the like,
do
 the electrodes just lay on top or do the prick the skin?
  >>
Dont know about EEGs but with EKGs the electrodes just stick to your skin
with adhesive / sticky  backing. There is a plastic thingy that they attach
to your skin and then attach the wires to that.

Ann
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:51:34 -0800
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They smear on a sticky, conductive substance and stick the leads on top of
that.  Nothing penetrates the skin.

Nan

James Tull wrote:

> When they attach electrodes to monitor brainwave and EKGs and the like, do
> the electrodes just lay on top or do the prick the skin?
>
> Have plans for our favorite Kryptonian but need to know how those thingies
> work.
>
> James, who if at all possible avoids situations that require said
thingies!
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:36:58 -0800
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From:         Melisma <melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: IRC tutorial for Euro-ish FOLCs
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Wendy, I'm no expert, believe me, but what time is that PST? I would come
and coach if you want me to...

At 05:55 PM 17/03/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>Subsequent to my earlier email, I've had a few people say
>that they would welcome a session on Saturday evening for
>IRC practice. So I'm suggesting 10pm GMT, which is 11pm CET
>and 5pm EST.
>
>The channel will be #KerthTutorial.
>It would be a good idea if you have already downloaded the
>sounds, as suggested in Erin's earlier email, since you'll
>want to practice playing sounds.
>
>Thanks to those 'expert' IRC users who've promised to come
>and help. I'd welcome any and all assistance, since I don't
>consider myself any more than a reasonably competent
>amateur!
>
>
>See you there!
>
>
>Wendy
>
>
>----------------------
>Wendy Richards
>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
>
>
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:41:04 EST
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In a message dated 3/17/00 5:38:12 PM EST, melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:

<< Wendy, I'm no expert, believe me, but what time is that PST? I would come
 and coach if you want me to...
  >>

I think that's 2pm PST.

Alexis ;-.)

"Okay, what's everybody standing around for?  This is a newspaper, not happy
hour at Buckingham Palace."  Perry White, (LnC), THE PILOT.
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:49:34 -0500
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Sheila wrote:
>Yeah, but you probably aren't in a situation where your husband of 23 years
>is on his second kidney transplant and it's failing.  When you look death
in
>the face daily, you don't want to read about it happening to two characters
>who feel as real emotionally to you as most people you know.

No, I can't know how that feels. But know that I wrote my deathfic while
working out the death and serious illness of two of my own family members,
and
did not put myself in the story in any incarnation. Due to some events that
happened when I was very young, I have also had an "interest" in
understanding
death, and have always read and written about the subject;I am currently
taking a course called "The Meanings of Death."

I can understand why you personally would not want to read deathfics, but I
also believe that most folcs have different reasons. I am just always
surprised (and, I'll admit, a little disappointed) by the large numbers
(majority?) of folcs who avoid deathfics like the plague.

Cerise wrote:
<< In real life, sad things happen, people die before their time, children
and
fathers and mothers are left to grieve,  and it's something you have to just
deal with.  But in fiction at least, the lost dogs always find their way
home>>

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding and you're saying that the lost dogs *can*
always
find their ways home, and that's true, but in fiction they don't *always.*
Maybe we read different books, but many novels, movies, even TV shows end in
tragedy, as many lives do.

<< our favorite pair can always die in their sleep in a house filled with
their descendants, holding each other after a long and happy life. >>

Yes, and deathfic can be written this way too, as Carol mentioned (and
thanks,
Carol, for mentioning my story <g>). But even if they do, that doesn't give
the story a happy ending, IMO. There will always be family and friends left
behind.

Genevieve asked:
<< How does Clark explain away the fact that sometimes bad things happen to
good people? Is it his fault for not stopping it?  Is it just the way it is?
>>

This is an interesting question, not only for Clark but for all of us.
Anyone
who's interested in possibly writing a story about this might want to read
the
book "When Bad Things Happen to Good People," by Harold Kushner. IMO, Clark
probably doesn't feel responsible for all bad things; things like cancer
would
preclude that. Also, Clark was a teenager before he started to develop
powers,
and he must have formulated some questions about the world before that
point.
While I can imagine him feeling guilty for some preventable disasters, I
can't
see Clark taking the responsibility for all the evils of the world.

Christy
kubitc@kenyon.edu

* * * * * * * * * *

"Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal
claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply
disgraceful." -Aldous Huxley
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:59:06 -0800
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Way cool, Alexis, thanks! Wendy, I will be there at 2 pm PST unless I hear
differently, ready and willing to pass on what little I know :) That is, if
I can finish the major puter overhaul I'm planning by then...

Melisma (grinning like a looney... don't go there, Nancy, Audrey and my
'sisters'... under her rock :)

At 05:41 PM 17/03/2000 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/17/00 5:38:12 PM EST, melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:
>
><< Wendy, I'm no expert, believe me, but what time is that PST? I would
come
> and coach if you want me to...
>  >>
>
>I think that's 2pm PST.
>
>Alexis ;-.)
>
>"Okay, what's everybody standing around for?  This is a newspaper, not
happy
>hour at Buckingham Palace."  Perry White, (LnC), THE PILOT.
>
>
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:13:00 -0500
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> Wendy, I'm no expert, believe me, but what time is that PST? I would come
> and coach if you want me to...

Mel, Pacific time is always three hours earlier than Eastern, so if
someone says (like Wendy did) that an event is at 5pm EST, you can just
subtract 3 and know that it starts at 2pm PST :)

I've been doing time zone adjustments in my head for years now -- I can
still never remember Aussie timezones, but PST and GMT are pretty easy
for me now :)
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:49:39 -0500
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Thank you Wendy!  This was so sweet...Happy St. Patricks Day to you too!

KathR

From: "Wendy Richards" <wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK>

> You have just received a virtual postcard from Wendy!
>
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:26:42 EST
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From:         "Alexis W." <LoisLane9397@AOL.COM>
Subject:      "ADITLOM" (RPG) Twenty-first Installment, Week #22 (Part 1 of
1)
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This is the twentieth installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day in
the=20
Life of Metropolis."  For more information, please go to: <A=20
HREF=3D"http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/adayinthelifeofmetropolis">Yahoo!
Clubs=
=20
adayinthelifeofmetropolis</A>=20

Public and private feedback is more than welcomed! =3D)

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cast List

Clark Kent : Alexis W. (that's me!)
Lois Lane: Alexis W.
Cat Grant: Renda
Dan Scardino: Renda
Anya Starr: Tabitha
Batman: Sam F.
Sam Falcon: Sam F.
Nightwing: Dave
Lex Luthor: Dave
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
WEEK #22
(3/6 to 3/12)

Help is on the way...

The shaking had stopped, but debris was still falling. Whenever=20
something was heard echoing through the building, Lois clung tighter to=20
Clark's body.=20

A faint buzzing noise was heard coming from the rafters. Clark used his=20
telescopic vision and noticed it was a hidden speaker system.
Suddenly, a voice was heard in the Observatory:

"Ladies and gentleman, I'm Gotham City's Deputy Fire Chief. On behalf of=20
Mr. Wayne, I just wanted to let you know that our rescue mission is=20
under way. Do not try to vacate the building until we've created a safe=20
passageway for those of you who aren't critically injured. Thank you."

Lois shrieked when she heard another boom fill the room.
"Shh...it's okay Lois...It'll all be over soon," Clark reassured.
>tbc<=20

* * * *
Re: Batman

Nightwing turned to her, startled from his thoughts by her voice.=20
"Wha...? Yeah... umm... let's get back into the elevator car." Dick=20
extended a hand to Sam, and helped her gently down into the small cabin.
Dick jumped down after her, and began to glance over the cabin. His eyes=20
fell upon Sam again, and he froze for an instant.=20
"So...?" Dick said nonchalantly, trying to think of something to say to=20
break the ice with this woman. Until now, their relationship had been,=20
in many ways, tense. But the one thing Dick could not deny was this=20
woman's unyielding kindness, and her attempt to reach out to him. But he=20
didn't want to talk to her, he didn't want her around. He wanted nothing=20
more than to have things back to the way they were.=20
 >tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Re: Batman

After she was back in the cabin, she waited for him to join her. When he=20
jumped into the cabin, it shook nicely. She tried to hold back the fear,=20
hoping it didn't show in her face. He didn't seem to notice, so she=20
waited. The silence was awkward, like it had always been between them.=20
He started to say something, but there was nothing for her to reply to,=20
so she waited some more.=20
 >tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Re: Batman

"Why can't you just leave Bruce and I alone?" Nightwing looked down,=20
unbelieving of what he just said.

"Excuse me? Other than the fact I'm staying at the house I do try and=20
leave you alone. Bruce . . .that's a different story and I believe none=20
of your business."=20
 >tbc<

* * * *
Arrival

Finally he got back to the Observatory. He looked down and couldn=92t
believe what he saw, almost all the destruction was to the Observatory=20
only. The surrounding streets were somewhat damaged, but that was=20
essentially the extent of it.

"The Observatory is going to need a lot of work and it's not even a year=20
old. The last time it looked this bad was because of Freeze," he=20
whispered.

He looked around some more and thought he saw Batgirl helping some=20
people out of the building. He hoped that Sam was already out of the
buildin=
g.
Then he spotted a van peeling away. Something appeared to be tossed out of
i=
t.
>tbc<=20

* * * *
Sam and Nightwing

Dick's eyes widened. "None of my...?! Listen, lady, I don't know what=20
your problem is, but I can't believe you just said that!! Bruce took me=20
into his home when I didn't have a family, helped me, gave me everything=20
I have now, and was like a brother... maybe even a father, to me! He's=20
also my partner. I look out for him, and he looks out for me. If being=20
in the Flying Graysons' taught me anything, it was to be a team!" Dick=20
winced as the memory of his parents, his mother, flashed through the=20
anger. Why was he thinking of her now?

"Bruce is the best man I know. I would do anything for him, anything! I=20
don't know why he's been so easy with you, why you were able to see the=20
man behind the mask. Being  Batman is something that Bruce may never=20
be able to fully put aside."

"Bruce has gone through so much in his life, and I'm not going to let=20
you hurt him, or Babs! What make you think you can just stroll in and=20
out of our lives as you please?!"=20
 >tbc<

* * * *
Re: Diego/Ramone find a van!

Diego and Ramone drove slowly back to the Observatory. Diego looked=20
around him as his brother drove the jag. "Ramone! Look at that Van! Hey=20
stop those guys have an unwilling passenger!" Ramone stopped the jag and=20
he and Diego jumped out. They ran to the van and startled the driver.=20
Ramone usedone quick neck pinch and the driver slumped over the wheel.=20
Ramone took the keys out of his hand and put them in his pocket. Diego=20
drop kicked the other two thugs. In the back of the van bound and gaged=20
sat a shaken Scardino. "You are lucky that we saw you through the window=20
of this van." Diego told him as he took the gag off his mouth and=20
proceeded to cut the ropes off of the man. "Thanks! I am Agent Scardino,=20
here in Gotham on business for my Government." Diego smiled and took out=20
his Interpole badge and ID. "It would seem that the World's agent's have=20
gathered here in Gotham, for much the same purpose."

Ramone walked around to the side door and smiled at Scardino and=20
introduced himself. "I am also of Interpole and this one's younger=20
brother. Don Ramone Dela Vega!" Scardino nodded and smiled. "I think you=20
are dating a friend of mine tonight. DA Mayson Drake!" Ramone looked=20
surprised and answered. "Yes, I have had the honor to escort Senorita=20
Drake to the ball." Scardino laughed and replied. "You Spanish are so=20
formal!" Diego looked at him before replying. "In Spain it is courtesy=20
to be polite and formal when one does not know the other person."
Ramone looked at them and asked, "Shouldn't we be getting back to the=20
business at hand?"

Scardino smiled and slapped Diego on the back. "Well Amigeo's, let's do=20
this thing."
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Re: Diego/Ramone find a van!

Catherine Grant sat beside Lucy as the medics finished bandaging her=20
head and wrapping her ribs. They also put her wrist in a stablizer, as=20
it is either badly sprained or broken. Cat got out her cell phone and=20
dialed Diego. Ring...Ring. "Dela Vega here!" "Diego! It's me Catherine.=20
I was just checking in like you asked me to," Cat told him. "Catherine!=20
Ramone and I rescued an Agent Scardino!" "Oh great, I think he was the=20
gentleman who tried to assist Lois and myself with a bomb," Cat said.=20
Diego puzzled, asked her. "What bomb?" "Oh it is out of commision now=20
and the bomb squad has effectively taken it from the private terrace."
Diego=
=20
sighed in relief. "Princess, you must take better care of yourself." Cat=20
laughed and replied. "This coming from a man whose great...great...great=20
Grandfather stood up to the injustice in his day." Diego smiled and
replied. "Well you know my family, Princess! We just can't stand by and=20
watch people suffer." "I know, Diego and that is why I uh...why I care!"=20
Diego laughed and told her. "Catherine, someday soon I shall show you=20
just how much I care!" Cat blushed as she told him goodbye and hung up=20
her phone. "I can't believe that a man makes me feel like Diego does."=20
Cat said to herself.

Suddenly the Observatory started shaking again. "Aftershock!!!!" Cat=20
screamed and leaned in over Lucy Lane who was still pretty out of it.=20
"Where is Lois and Clark and the others?" Cat asked to no one in=20
particular.=20
>tbc<

* * * *
Luthor=92s personal journal entry

Everything has an opposite... a balance. To the Chinese, the Tao, and=20
the representation of yin and yang symbol, the constant struggle between=20
two opposed forces. Each force has a little of the other within itself.
What part of me does Clark Kent share? Well... undeniably, our love for=20
the most beautiful woman on this planet, the precious gift that has been=20
placed in our lives.

It was with this in mind that I watched as Kent ruined all I have=20
striven to obtain by rescuing my dear Lois from the cataclysim I had=20
created. Of course, watching from the secure monitors in my limo, there=20
was little I could do to interceed. Kent had played his hand, and=20
fortunately for him, I was in no position to challenge him. In this=20
case, at least, simple minds of simple men had triumphed over the=20
careful planning of brilliance.=20

My mistake was clearly underestimation. I could not, through little=20
fault of my own, see the impact Kent's presence would have in the game.=20
Perhaps now, with this new information, I need only to shift my=20
attention.

The camera never lies. Finally, the truth I have so sought for years has=20
been revealed to me as though a veal were lifted from my eyes.
And so... I can peer across the chess board, knowing full well that the=20
king is still very much in check. Mr. Wayne will regret ever=20
crossing=20
Lex Luthor, Miss Lane will soon be the willing recepiant of my devoted=20
love, and finally, I shall destroy Superman once and for all...
>tbc<

* * * *
Aftershock

Suddenly Anya's grip was jerked loose from the cable from the after=20
shock. She felt herself falling in the darkness only to fall through the=20
roof of the elevator. The very same elevator she had been trapped in=20
with and yelled in pain as she impacted with the floor. "And I thought=20
tonight was going to be boring," she said wincing. She watched the=20
lights flicker and finally go out leaving her in darkness.=20
 >tbc<

* * * *
Re: Sam and Nightwing

"God, it's amazing the kind of loyalty he brings out in people," she=20
quietly said,  while looking past Nightwing.

She then looked at him. "I don't recall asking him to give up any of it.=20
I wouldn't dream of that, I know how much it means to him . . .. Hurt=20
him? How in the hell could you think I'd hurt him? If I thought I was=20
doing that I'd leave. I've known Bruce a long time. He helped me a long=20
time ago. He tells me I helped him by insisting on being around, I'm not=20
quite sure how. The only reason I went in and out of Gotham originally=20
was because he was busy doing other things; seeing other people too. I=20
wasn't going to interfere in that, even though I thought about it. For a=20
long time I didn't know about the mask, but I knew the man behind it all=20
too well."=20
 >tbc<

* * * *
Re: Arrival

He had the batwing hover and then descended on a rope down to street=20
level. He quickly made his way over to the object tossed out of the=20
vehicle. He knelt down next to it and realized it was Jimmy Olsen. He=20
reached out and offered him his hand.=20
 >tbc<

* * * *
Lois and Clark

"Clark?"
"Yes Lois..."
"When are we getting out of here?"
"I don't know Lois, I don't know..." Clark said as he softly kissed her=20
cheek. "Hopefully it'll be soon..."

Clark used his super-hearing to listen to the noises inside the=20
Observatory. The room was completely quiet, except for something coming=20
from the elevators. It sounded like music. A woman was singing about=20
*the earth moving under her feet.*  "Carole King? Okay..." Clark said to=20
himself as he raised his eyebrow.
He was broken out of his trance when he felt a hand on his shoulder.
"Excuse me folks, but you can safely evacuate the building now."

"Oh! uh thanks!"
Clark looked at Lois lying in his arms. "Lois, we're allowed to leave=20
now...We're leaving now..."

"Okay..." Lois said breathlesly. "I just want to get out of here."
Clark slowly stood up and carried Lois out of the Observatory. He was=20
just happy to finally be out of that disaster zone. *Let's just hope the=20
others are safe!*
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Arrival

Jimmy slowly opened his eyes to look at what appeared to be a fuzzy=20
apparition of the Dark Knight.  "Batman???" He was really confused, but=20
nonetheless Jimmy decided to grab onto the man's arm.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Aftershock

Batgirl made her way over the rubble of the main ballroom. She had been=20
trying to help as many people as she could escape from the building, and=20
was shocked at the devestation.

Her gaze wandered over to Lois and Clark, as Clark carefully scooped=20
Lois gently into his arms. Barbara frowned. She remembered first seeing=20
him at the Manor that afternoon, and how much she must have embarassed=20
herself. But she could hardly help herself. Beneath those glasses...=20
there was something extraordinary about this man.=20
Batgirl started for Clark's direction. Maybe she could help him in some=20
way. Just then, she could hear a faint voice through the nearest=20
elevator door. The voice was, unmistakenly, that of a young woman.
Barbara turned back to Clark's direction, deperation in her soft blue=20
eyes as he carried Lois away.

"Who am I kidding... he'd never go for someone like me anyway," she=20
whispered as she began to jar the heavy metal doors apart.
The doors slid open, and Barbara looked down into the shaft. "Anyone=20
there?!" She could hear her voice echo.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Sam and Nightwing

Dick threw up his hands in frustration. "Fine! Whatever! Can't you see=20
he's been acting strange ever since you came around again?!"
Dick composed himself. "Look, I don't care what you two do... but I want=20
to see Bruce happy, that's all that matters to me. I don't want you=20
kicking a hole in his heart and leave again, just like you have in the=20
past!" Dick took a step back from her. "And why can't you leave Barb and=20
I alone! Just who the hell do you think you are?!"=20

Dick looked down. He could remember the times she would sit up with him=20
and talk to him, sometimes about the frustration he felt when he was=20
unable to get along with Batman... other times about some of the young=20
women he would occasionally see on campus. Sometimes they would even go=20
out for ice cream, laughing about the littlest things as they strolled=20
down the streets of Gotham. Sam had been there... but as much as Dick=20
enjoyed her company, he couldn't understand why he refused to like her.=20
No doubt, Bruce had been a happier man since they finally got back=20
together. No doubt, Sam Falcon had brought something to Wayne Manor,=20
even the Batcave, that had been missing for so long. Even Alfred had=20
stopped him one day after coming back from shopping with Sam for Bruce's=20
birthday gift, and smiled as he said in his sarcastic british tongue,=20
"Family, indeed."=20
=20
"You don't know what in the hell you=92re talking about!" she angrily=20
replied. She stopped and took a deep breath before going on, "I think=20
you're confusing me with someone else, when I've been in town before I=20
never stayed at the house. It would have been too awkward for me if I=20
had run into one of his former . . .actually I met one of them once. It=20
was very awkward.  We only recently started doing things together. If I
had=20
ever had any hint that he had thoughts of me other than those of
friendship,=
=20
I would have tried to show him how I felt. Barry tried to tell me he
thought=
=20
that there was something more, but I didn't dare push it. I was scared."=20
=20
Nightwing looked at her, puzzled. "What? Who the hell is Barry? =20
And what are you scared of, Sam=94 he asked in concern.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Diego/Ramone find a van!

The building settled down again. Cat scrambled to her feet.  She watched
the medics taking Lucy Lane out on a gurney. "Lucy, don't worry, you'll
be=20
fine and I know that Jimmy is fine too." Cat turned around and told the=20
medics that she was going to go on and look for more people.
Cat left them and continued on her upward journey. She made sure that=20
her rope was still secure before swinging up to the upper level and=20
going to the elevator. Cat banged on the doors. "Anyone in here?"
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cat calls Diego

Ring..."Dela Vega here!" "Diego, it's me Cat. I just wanted to let you=20
know that they are bringing Lucy Lane out of the building." "Princess,=20
why the hell didn't you come out with her?" "Diego, there are still=20
people trapped in here and I have a duty to these people to help." Diego=20
gritted his teeth and asked, "Where are you now?" Cat blew out her breath=20
and replied, "I am on the second level in front of another elevator. I=20
think there are people in it." "Okay, Princess stay there and I'll be=20
with you shortly." "Diego, the stairs collapsed and you will have to=20
climb up the same way that I did with a rope." "Thanks for letting me=20
know Princess. By the way...I love you!" Cat smiled and replied. "I love=20
you too!" She hung up her phone and put it back into it's hidden pocket.
Cat sat on what was left of the second level watching for Diego.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Cat calls Diego

Anya looked up as light suddenly filled the elevator. She got up=20
stiffly. "Thanks," she said simply to Batgirl because she couldn't=20
really think of anything else.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Sam and Nightwing

"What planet have you been on, Mars? Barry Allen . . .aka the Flash.=20
Bruce introduced us. I knew about his secret before I knew about=20
Bruce's.  And about relationships...I mean mcome on, they are not the=20
easiest things to be involved in... Bruce is not exactly known for his=20
relationships lasting..."=20

Nightwing smiled gently. Sam had a gentle sarcasim Dick simply could not=20
resist. "You know Barry, huh? Aren't you just the Justice League social=20
butterfly," he said as he chuckled softly. The atmosphere seemed to thaw=20
just a bit in the elevator cabin, and Dick stepped forward. "Look, I=20
know you're afraid that Bruce will pull away, but I really think he's=20
committed to you. Don't you see? That's what scares me. I'm afraid he'll=20
let you in, and you'll be the one to disappear." Dick looked down again.=20
"Sometimes, in certain professions, it's hard to find someone who's=20
willing to truly walk the tightrope with you."   *Tightrope,* Dick
thought.=20
*Where the hell did that comment come from?*

"Do you love him?" Dick asked, candidly.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Batgirl and Anya

"Are you okay?" Batgirl asked the young woman. She made her way down the=20
shaft carefully to stand next to the dark haired girl. "How did you end=20
up down here?"
>tbc<

* * * *
Diego reaches Cat

Diego made his way through the carnige of what was a lovely building. He=20
saw Catherine sitting on what is left of the upper level. Diego waved to=20
her and threw his rope. Cat made sure that it was secure and then waved=20
to him. Diego swung upwards towards her. They sat together for a moment.=20
He hugged her and said. "Princess, I am so glad to see you." Cat smiled=20
and replied. "I am happy to see you too!" They walked over to the=20
elevator doors that Cat told him about. "I think the Dutch Ambassador=20
and his wife are in here. And I can't speak Dutch!" Diego nodded and=20
called out to Ambassador Te Haar. They listened and heard a shout in=20
Dutch from him. "You are right Princess!" Diego told her. "Well, how do=20
we get them out?" Diego accessed the situation. "Good question! We may=20
need those jaws of life that the Fire Department has." Cat nodded. "Do=20
you want me to call the Chief?" Diego studied the situation and nodded.=20
"Yes!" Cat called the Fire Chief and requested the Jaws of life!
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Re: Diego reaches Cat

While they waited for the jaws of life, Cat and Diego looked around for=20
more trapped people. They found a waiter trapped behind a large table.=20
Diego moved the table and Cat pulled the waiter to safety. "We make a=20
great team!" Diego told Cat. Cat smiled. "Yes we certainly do." Diego=20
watched Cat as she tended the waiter's scratches. He looked all right,=20
just a bit shaken. Diego waved to the Fire personnel as they prepared to=20
send up the equipment for the rescue of the Dutch Ambassador.
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Jaws of Life!

The fire department hoisted up the jaws of life to Diego and Cat. They=20
untied it from the rope and took it over to the elevator doors. Diego=20
placed it inside the slit between the doors. "Diego tell me when and=20
I'll turn it on!" Diego nodded to Catherine. "Turn it on now! Princess."=20
Cat turned on the jaws of life and watched as the handsome Spanish Don=20
held them in place. The doors groaned under the pressure of the jaws of=20
life. Cat looked through the doors and saw the Ambassador and his wife.=20
Unfortunately she was pregnant. Very pregnant. "Holy Mother!" Diego said=20
and turned to Cat. "I think she is in labor.!" Cat looked at the lady on=20
the floor of the elevator. "Yes, Diego, I think she is in exteme labor!"
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Sam and Nightwing

Sam raised her hand, but folded her fingers down and lowered it again.=20
"How in the hell could you say that? The only people I know in the=20
Justice League are Batman and the Flash! I met Superman once, but was=20
never formally introduced."

She stopped and took a few deep breaths. "If I saw that I wouldn't be so=20
scared. I can tell he cares, but . . .I've never done this before. The=20
only reasons I'd leave are if I thought I was hurting him or if he asked=20
me to. The 'tightrope' worries me. I worry more about him than I do=20
about myself . . .Do I love him? I loved him from the beginning. It has=20
changed a lot over the years; through understanding and maturation. I've=20
never loved any man more."=20
>tbc<

* * * *
Look for Week #23 coming to a PC near you!=20

Enjoy! =3D)

Alexis ;-.)
{"ADITLOM" arbitrator}

"Okay, what's everybody standing around for?  This is a newspaper, not
happy=
=20
hour at Buckingham Palace."  Perry White, (LnC), THE PILOT.

=20
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Melisma wrote:
>
> Way cool, Alexis, thanks! Wendy, I will be there at 2 pm PST unless I
>hear differently, ready and willing to pass on what little I know :) >That
is, if I can finish the major puter overhaul I'm planning by >then...
Melisma (grinning like a looney... don't go there, Nancy, >Audrey and my
'sisters'... under her rock :)

I'll be there too...   Something to look forward to after taping
'I've got a Crush on you'  This is all taking place on the Undernet,
right?  There are so many servers it's hard to tell.

--NK
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yeah, undernet server, #kerthtutorial
5pm EST
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Kate & Kath -- thanks for your comments. :)
Kate asked <<an obvious reference to the unexplained difference in the
show?>>  Yes :)

Carol
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In a message dated 3/17/00 6:54:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:

<< Perhaps I'm misunderstanding and you're saying that the lost dogs *can*
always
 find their ways home, and that's true, but in fiction they don't *always.*
 Maybe we read different books, but many novels, movies, even TV shows end
in
 tragedy, as many lives do. >>

You probably do read different books than a lot of us on the list.  I find
that as I get older, my taste in reading and movie and TV watching has
changed to some extent.
Back when I was in high school and college, I read many books that were
serious literature for "pleasure."  Granted, I was a literature major, but I
read many things that were not required.

 But over the last ten years or so, as I have watched my husband become so
depressed that he ceased to function, and watched my 17 year old son try to
deal with being bi-polar, I find that when I have the time to read, I want
to
read something that will leave me feeling better, not worse.  This is why I
never re-watch the ARGH (except for Oedipus Wrecks) and I read Lois and
Clark
fanfiction, Jane Austen, historical romances, and mysteries where I know the
ending.  IMHO,  a certain number or us have enough real tragedy in our lives
and don't need to add artificial tragedy to the mix.

That said, I dearly love stories with lots of angst, as long as the end is
happy.

There is no doubt that some of the "greatest literature" in the world is
tragic, or at least sad, ( tragedy having certain requirements, otherwise
you
just have a story with a dead guy at the end); but I really can't read it
and
enjoy it anymore.

But then, the world would really be boring if everyone was the same and had
the same taste.

Ann
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At 11:15 AM 03/17/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>The sequel to Susan VanCott's "Disquiet Nights (As Dreamers Do)" is
>"Freedom" by ML Thompson and I can't *believe* you guys haven't read it!
>Though that does explain why it didn't get a Kerth nomination.  Well, since
>it didn't, I supose you'd better finish your Kerth reading first; but as
>soon as you place your votes, go!  It's a well-writen, engageing story.
>
>LabRat- most of what I know about annulment I learned from "Freedom."

People might want to post urls to these stories (or some other kind of
directions) so others can rush right there and grab 'em...

Debby
debby@swcp.com
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Thanks, Wendy!! So nice of you and until I got this I did not remember that
today was St. Patrick's Day.  But I did slip into a green jogging suit
before I wrote this.

Brenda
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Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:48:33 EST
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In a message dated 3/17/00 9:49:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ccmalo@AOL.COM
writes:

<< Kate asked <<an obvious reference to the unexplained difference in the
 show?>>  Yes :) >>

I Love it!!  It's so fun when you great writers pick up on these details and
we all sit at home in front of the computer, pleased as punch that someone
else got it too.  Looking forward to the explanation, which will become part
of canon.....
Kate
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from mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM (James Tull)

<<Charlotte,

How about 7 days where, like Wendy, I will eventually
put all my toys back, but maybe with a new dent here
or there?>>

Nice comback James.  You got me.

I do intend to read it.  I really did think long and hard on this when I
read
the first few parts of the first version of your story James, but I decided
that - since it's a time travel story - you can always go back and change
what happened. (BG) so I am fairly sure it will all turn out right in the
end, in spite of the dents. (even BG)

I may however only peek at the whams in the next section and reserve any
comments for later sections so don't be surprised if you don't get much
feedback for a while.  I am reading and so far enjoying it, although
somewhat
confused at this time, perhaps because I still have in mind the earlier
version.  And I've never watched 7 days so that's adding to the puzzle, but
I
think you can pull it off even for those of us not familiar with the other
show.

Besides, we did meet at St. Louis, so I think I know you well enough to
"take
a chance."

Charlotte - who's broken everyone of her 'rules' concerning reading
fanfiction otherwise why would se be on this listserv.
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In a message dated 3/15/00 6:13:54 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US
writes:

<< death in reality--even the
 death of a character whom I know through literally 1000's of hours of
 interaction (reading, writing, viewing, discussing)--is an entirely
 different matter.  This will sound nuts to you, but for me, it's like L&C
 live in a different reality, and fanfic is a portal to their world.  Why
 would I want to read that two people whom I like so much are dead?   >>

Thanks, Sheila for saying it so well.  Death at the end of a long life is
one
thing; death which is just a plot device to remove the characters I care
about from the story so the author can write about someone else is a
completely different thing.  I want that whammy warning on these stories.

<<
To writing, yes, Christy.  Not necessarily to reading.  That's why genre
books outsell "literary" novels 1000's to 1.  It may be better writing to
surprise your readers, but most readers (obviously, not *all*) prefer to
know the basic outcome before they start reading:  the guy gets the girl,
the detective solves the mystery, the good guys defeat (or at least thwart)
the bad guys.>>

And this so well too.

<<If I pick up what I
think is a romance novel, I'm going to be upset if the hero takes off at
the end, leaving the heroine alone and pregnant.  If I pick up a murder
mystery, I don't want to see the murderer kill the detective.  I have
certain expectations, and if the author doesn't respect that, he or she
will lose me and/or tick me off.>>

Pam.  Thank you as well.  I couldn't express it better..

Charlotte - who's husband of thirty years died of cancer at the tender age
of
fifty and she still cries about it.
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Thank you so much Wendy!  That was a very sweet gesture!
Thanks again for thinking of us all!

Lori
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From:         "Alexis W." <LoisLane9397@AOL.COM>
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I was wondering if there's a way to log ims on IRC.  If there is, can
someone
please tell me how.  Also if someone is planning on logging the Kerth's
themselves, I would love to be on the email list for that.  Clark told me he
needs them for his research. <G>

Thanks!
Alexis ;-.)

"Lois Lane, Clark Kent."  Perry, (LnC), THE PILOT.
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Alexis, I don't know what program you're using, but here's how you do it
in mIRC...

File | Options | IRC | Logging -- check the boxes in the "automatically
log" area for Channels and Private Chats.  There are other options
there, too, and it will show you what directory the logs are saved to
(probably c:\mirc\logs)

Once you have that set up, everything you see on screen (except the
status window) will be copied to your hard drive.  Look for a file
called #KerthAwards.log  :)

Btw, if Clark wants to interview me, he can do that... it just can't be
*during* the ceremony, 'cause I'll be pretty busy...

"Alexis W." wrote:
>
> I was wondering if there's a way to log ims on IRC.  If there is, can
someone
> please tell me how.  Also if someone is planning on logging the Kerth's
> themselves, I would love to be on the email list for that.  Clark told me
he
> needs them for his research. <G>
>
> Thanks!
> Alexis ;-.)
>
> "Lois Lane, Clark Kent."  Perry, (LnC), THE PILOT.

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Date:         Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:15:16 -0500
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From:         Wendy Richards <wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: You've received a postcard from Wendy!

Glad you liked it, guys!

And knowing how big an event St Patrick's Day is in the US, how could I
resist? <bg>

Slan go leir!

Wendy
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Hey Wendy, thanks a lot :) Happy St Patrick's day to you too :) (but I'm
afraid I didn't understand the text of your postcard... this is Irish, isn't
it?)

Take care :)

Hélène :)
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Thanks Wendy
merry

Wendy Richards wrote:

> Glad you liked it, guys!
>
> And knowing how big an event St Patrick's Day is in the US, how could I
> resist? <bg>
>
> Slan go leir!
>
> Wendy
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Subject:      Re: You've received a postcard from Wendy!

Hi Helene!

>Hey Wendy, thanks a lot :) Happy St Patrick's day to you too :) (but I'm
>afraid I didn't understand the text of your postcard... this is Irish,
isn't
>it?)

Yes: 'Beannacht La Fheile Phadraig, duine go leir' translates approximately
as 'Happy St Patrick's Day, everyone.'

Wendy
(who wonders why there's no market for greetings cards for St Andrew's Day,
St George's Day or St David's Day... and what the patron saint of the USA
is)
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that was a cute card, Wendy :)

In a message dated 03/18/2000 1:50:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< what the patron saint of the USA >>

it's Mary of the Assumption (why I knew that I have no idea... could be that
I was on Acedemic Challenge in high school)

Alicia
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Cool card, Wendy!  :)

><< what the patron saint of the USA >>
>
>it's Mary of the Assumption (why I knew that I have no idea... could be
>that
>I was on Acedemic Challenge in high school)
>
>Alicia

We have a patron saint??? Really?  When did this happen?

Tara
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Pam wrote:

> Mel, Pacific time is always three hours earlier than Eastern, so if
> someone says (like Wendy did) that an event is at 5pm EST, you can just
> subtract 3 and know that it starts at 2pm PST :)
>
> I've been doing time zone adjustments in my head for years now -- I can
> still never remember Aussie timezones, but PST and GMT are pretty easy
> for me now :)
> --

Crumbs, all these TLAs...add PST and GMT together and what do you get?
PMT???

Yvonne
(yconnell@ukf.net)
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Sorry if you get this twice, I'm sending this to both list to make sure
everyone gets the URL

The sounds that'll be played during the Kerths Awards can be found at
http://www.ixpres.com/chrispat/kerthwav/kerthwav.html

Take care, and don't forget to download those before next saturday! ;)

Hélène :)
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Date:         Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:21:24 EST
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I feel so left out.  I tried to go to the page with the card and my internet
crashes whenever i try it. :(

Alexis ;-.)

"Lois Lane, Clark Kent."  Perry, (LnC), THE PILOT.
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Just throwing out a line- if anybody needs help with irc, email me and i'll
be happy to help if you have any questions :)

-Kara
kaspur@swva.net
Kasspur on AIM
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Yeah really - and do any of you fellow Canucks know if we have one too? Do
any of the other nationalities represented on this list? Enquiring minds
wanna know...

Melisma (curious under her rock)

>We have a patron saint??? Really?  When did this happen?
>
>Tara
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Wendy Richards wrote:

> You have just received a virtual postcard from Wendy!
>
> You can pick up your postcard at the following web address:
> http://www.postcards.org/go/postcards/pickup/45-waffle-siege-folcs
>

That's cute postcard, Wendy.  Thanks.

Nan
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I'm sure everyone will be dissapointed to hear that I'm still writing this
thing (I hope not!), but here's part 8 in the continuing story.  Any and all
feedback is requested--that is feedback of any kind!  Pick it apart, pick
points that you liked, I don't care!  Just as long as it's feedback! :)

Threads of Confusion part 8

        "Clark?  Clark, wake up!"

        Clark groaned.  His head was pounding and his body hurt all over.

        "He's coming around," a strange male voice said.

        "Open your eyes, Clark," Lois' voice commanded him.

        Clark forced his eyes open and found himself staring into the
worried face
of his wife.  "Lois?  What happened?"

        "How are you feeling, Clark?"

        "Like I've been hit with an asteroid.  Where are we?"

        Lois looked up at the blond man who was kneeling beside them.  Clark
suddenly realized he was lying on the ground with his head cushioned in his
wife's lap.   He started to push himself up, but the man placed a hand on
his shoulder.

        "Take it easy.  You were hit harder by that weapon than any of us
were."
He glanced around the room before answering his question.  "We've been taken
prisoner by the natives of this planet.  They're not exactly very friendly
to tourists.  I'm Ensign Tom Paris of Voyager."

        "Clark Kent," Clark introduced himself.  He, too, looked around the
room
they were in.

        It was a square, concrete room.  Three of the walls and the floor
and
ceiling were a featureless gray.  The fourth wall was broken only by a
rectangle stretching from floor to ceiling that was about the width of two
regular doors.  The shimmer in the air there told Clark that it was closed
with a force field.  Neelix, the friendly Talaxian, was seated in a corner
and was working on a small device.  As Clark watched, he pulled out another
piece and attached it to what he had already assembled.  Seven of Nine, the
beautiful but cold human woman, stood beside the force field, looking out
and down the corridor.

        Footsteps sounded faintly in the distance.  After a minute, Seven
turned to
Neelix.  "The guard is almost here."

        Neelix quickly hid his device in a pocket and stood up as the guard
stepped
in front of their force field.

        The being was tall and obviously not human, despite being vaguely
humanoid.
  It was reptilian, with patterned red and green scales all over its body.
It had an elongated face with gleaming white fangs.  It had a crest that
reminded Clark of a frilled lizard he'd once seen in Australia.  It was
wearing a leather harness, with metal snaffles to attach things to.  Small
bits of metal were affixed to various parts and a weapon like the one he'd
seen earlier was attached at the waist.

The being looked them over and grinned, showing more of its needle sharp
teeth.

"Good, you are all awake now," it said slowly.  "Very good.  It is only
fitting that you, as kretch'ta, should be awake to fully experience every
minute of your excruciatingly painful deaths."  It chuckled softly.  "I must
go inform my superiors."

As the creature hurried off, Clark exchanged a worried look with Lois.

"We'd better get out of here," Lois said.  "I, for one, don't want to be
here when that creature gets back with some of his friends."

"That's what Neelix is working on right now," Tom told them.  "He just
'happened' to be carrying an interphasic dampener in his pocket."

Neelix gave them an offended look.  "If you must know, it came with the
outfit."

"Right," Tom grinned.  He gripped Clark by the arm.  "Let's get you on your
feet."

Clark let Tom help him to his feet.  He still felt strange--like something
wasn't quite right.

"Clark, what's wrong?"

"I'm not sure, Lois.  I just feel . . . strange."

"It's probably just the aftereffects of the bio-energy weapons.  The feeling
should pass." Tom reassured them.  "Just give it a little time."

"Wait a minute," Lois stepped around Clark to face Tom Paris.  "Bio-energy
weapons?  What exactly do those do?"

Tom looked puzzled.  "They drains bio-energy.  They only knocked us out, so
I'd guess that they were set at a low level.  At high levels they'd probably
kill."

"Clark!" Lois looked up at him.  "What about your powers?"

"Powers?" Tom said blankly.

"I don't know."  Clark looked around the room, then turned to face the force
field.  "Let's see."

He focussed in on the base of the force field, trying to use his x-ray
vision to see through the stone.  Nothing happened.  After a minute, he
quit.  Quickly, he ran through his other abilities.  Again, nothing.  Lois
placed her hand on his arm.  "Clark?"

He shook his head.  "My powers are gone!  The bio-energy weapons must have
drained my reserves."

Seven, still by the force field, turned slightly to face them.  "How do your
powers function?"

"Well, they seem to be solar powered.  Something about a yellow sun gives me
the powers."

"That could be a problem," Tom said.

"How?" Lois asked.

"This system's star is a red one," Seven told them.

"Finished!"  Neelix broke in.  He held up his device in triumph.  "Now all I
need is a power cell."

Tom shook his head.  "You didn't bring one, Neelix?  I thought you were
always prepared for anything."

Neelix glared at Paris.  "I did have one, but those weapons they used on us
drained it!"

"Mr. Neelix. Mr. Paris," Seven of Nine interrupted them.  "These pointless
artuements will not help facilitate our escape."

"You're right, Seven.  I'm sorry, Neelix.  I'm just so frustrated about
this." Paris rubbed his forehead.

Clark looked around the room, suddenly remembering something.  "Wasn't there
another person in your group?"

**** **** ****

        Jre Thil forcibly relaxed his crest.  A Kordu soldier should not
show fear.
  Not even when he was in the shuttlecraft of a disgusting kretch'ta.  The
disgusting creatures would not be coming back to the shuttle anytime soon,
as they had been imprisoned below in the holding cells awaiting execution.
They always broadcast those to the entire planet.  Jre Thil had seen the
aliens being carted into the base, and had never been so disgusted in his
whole life.  They weren't even reptiles!  They were mammals!  This was one
execution that he was especially looking forward to.  Monsters like those
were shouldn't be allowed to live.

        In the meantime, his job was to investigate the technology of the
kretch'ta.  Occasionally these creatures had interesting new technology that
the Kordu could use for their own benefit.  Not often, of course, since
kretch'ta were never as intelligent as a Kordu, but it was possible that
they could have picked up an artifact from a reptilian race somewhere and
everyone knew that, while not really people like the Kordu, reptilian races
came the closest to it.

        Jre Thil ran his scanner over the bulkhead and examined the results
before
moving on to one of the stations.  He pushed the badly designed chair aside
and ran his scanner over the control panel.  This was evidently the station
that controlled the weapons.  The simplicity of the controls simply
confirmed to him that these aliens were as stupid as he thought.  That was
standard, of course.

        His scanner beeped suddenly.  It was programmed to alert him to any
sudden
power fluctuations and it was detecting one right now.  It was coming from a
small device on the floor that he hadn't noticed before.  He picked it up
and scanned it quickly.  It seemed to be a holographic projection device of
some kind, although not of a type he'd seen before.  According to his
readings, it was much more advanced than anything they had.  Impossible!
These were inferior mammals!  How could they possible have advanced
technology?  They'd undoubtedly stolen it from some laboratory on the
planet, but how?  He'd have to let his superiors know about this.

        He started to turn to go, when something abruptly took shape.  Jre
Thil
jumped backwards, his tail hitting the chair he'd moved just moments before,
and gaped in astonishment at the figure that formed.  It was one of the
mammals!  It was revolting, with pink scaleless skin and hair on its head.
Even their holograms were disgusting.  If they had to use holograms, why
didn't they use more aesthetically pleasing, like a reptile?

        The thing straightened up and looked around the cabin of the vessel.

        "Hello," it said.  "And who might you be?"

        "I have to inform my superiors of this at once!" Jre Thil said,
panicking.
This couldn't be happening to him!

        "I'm afraid I can't let you do that," the hologram said.  It grabbed
an
implement Jre Thil hadn't gotten around to examining just yet and advanced
toward Jre Thil.  Jre Thil backed away from the thing, forgetting the chair
in his way, and tripped over the chair.  His scanner went flying to the side
and he went over backwards.  The last thing he remembered was the feel of
the deck coming into violent contact with his head.

**** ****

The Doctor looked over the unconscious alien loftily.  "That wasn't exactly
what I had in mind, but it will do for now.  Computer, erect a level one
containment field around the unconscious reptiliod."

A force field shimmered into existence around the being.  With the level one
containment field in effect, the being wouldn't be able to signal for help
once he regained consciousness, and they wouldn't be able to take the field
down easily if they discovered it was up.  The Doctor nodded in satisfaction
and picked up his medical tricorder from the floor where he had dropped it
when the aliens had arrived.  A quick scan of the immediate area showed him
that, surprisingly enough, the Flyer hadn't been moved.  It also showed a
grouping of reptilians nearby that, from the readings, were underground.
Near the reptilians were three humans a Talaxian and another alien,
presumably the one who had landed the Flyer.  His readings were much lower
than they had been earlier, but were far from what he assumed were dangerous
levels.

"Well, I suppose I'll have to go rescue them, now," he muttered.  "They just
can't get along without me for long."

He quickly gathered a few items he thought he'd need and, still scanning,
exited the Delta Flyer.

to be continued . . .

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Lois leaned against her husband for the support he offered.  "Are you saying
that everything--Perry, Jimmy, the Planet, Metropolis--our whole lives--has
been a simulation?"---exerpt of Legacy, coming soon to a msg board--and
elist--near you.

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In a message dated 3/18/00 1:50:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< Wendy
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Because Hallmark Cards didn't decide to create a market for these days. <G>
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Kathy B wrote:
> I've seen a few L&C stories that
>mentioned religion (can't recall any titles though, darn it) and they
>basically said "Clark stopped going to church with his parents when
he
>figured out he was different, assuming their God wasn't his God" or
something
>like this.  This always made me quirk my eyebrows because I don't see
where
>that theory came from.  <snipped>
> Would this be in character for Clark?  To be religious (or at least
church-
> going) as a child, but stop going *only* because he was different?
Not the
> usual reasons teenagers often stop going to church (rebellion,
boredom,
> sleeping in, what have you) but *because* he realized he was
different?

It would seem to me that if Clark had been raised in a situation where
religion was a regular part of his life (I'm assuming that just for
argument's sake, since Kathy has mentioned fanfics where Clark had
attended church with his parents on a somewhat regular basis) he might
be just as likely to become more involved in religion, possibly
feeling that he was different because God had some special plan for
him.  And if the Kent's religion presented God as a universal, not
concerned with race or ethnicity, why would Clark assume that their
God couldn't also be his God?

> And what about Lois?  Obviously Lex tried to have them married in
the
> Catholic church (though this was probably more for the "joke
effect", of Lex
> buying off the Arch Bishop).  But Lois never said "But I'm not
Catholic!" so
> maybe she was ...

Also, in TTNBM, we've got Lois telling Clark that the archbishop is on
their Christmas list.  Possibly the archbishop is a friend of theirs,
and religion isn't involved in the relationship, but neither Lois nor
Clark mention buying a gift for any other religious leader, so you're
theory might be correct, Kathy.

Pat

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In a message dated 3/18/00 11:21:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
peabody@MCS.COM
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<< And what about Lois?  Obviously Lex tried to have them married in
 the
 > Catholic church (though this was probably more for the "joke
 effect", of Lex
 > buying off the Arch Bishop).  But Lois never said "But I'm not
 Catholic!" so
 > maybe she was ... >>

On the other hand, as a life-long Catholic,  I can't really imagine a real
archbishop being willing to marry someone any place other than a church.  I
believe there is something in Canon Law about sacramental marriages have to
take place on "hallowed ground," i.e. in a church, chapel, etc.  When
Catholics marry non-Catholics, the ceremony often takes place in the other
church if the bride is the non-Catholic.  In these cases, a priest usually
takes part in the marriage ceremony as well as the non-Catholic clergyman.
If I recall correctly, Lois's wedding to Lex was in  the same building as
Lex's office.

Ann
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Um, for some reason I only recieved part 8 of this story and I was hoping
someone would send me parts 1-7. I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
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Ann wrote:

> On the other hand, as a life-long Catholic,  I can't really imagine
a real
> archbishop being willing to marry someone any place other than a
church.  I
> believe there is something in Canon Law about sacramental marriages
have to
> take place on "hallowed ground," i.e. in a church, chapel, etc.

I think it might depend on the local archdiocese, Ann.  When I wanted
to have my wedding in a friend's garden,  I was told that in the
Chicago archdiocese, the wedding had to be performed in a church,
chapel or rectory.  I've attended Catholic weddings in other
archdioceses that were held in more secular spots (restuarant in one
case), though.

Pat

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StarKitty :) wrote:
>
> I'm sure everyone will be dissapointed to hear that I'm still writing
>this thing (I hope not!), but here's part 8 in the continuing story.  >Any
and all feedback is requested--that is feedback of any kind!  Pick it apart,
pick points that you liked, I don't care!  Just as long as it's feedback! :)

After tracking down the previous sections, I sat down to read them...
Very good, I must say!  Just one thing.... I assume Clark had the suit
on when he and Lois arrived in the Delta Quadrant... It isn't clear
whether or not he changed back into regular clothes before encountering
Seven et al. I assume he had, but it still jangled a little.

Anyway...  You better get cracking on the next part, if you know
what's good for you!!  <huge grin>  ;->
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>
>I assume he had, but it still jangled a little.

No, he hadn't, actually.  In the (slightly) revised part 6, the Doc says
"Nice cape." to Clark.  I think it works better that way.

>
>Anyway...  You better get cracking on the next part, if you know
>what's good for you!!  <huge grin>  ;->

:) I'm working on it! :)

Tara (who lives for fdk)

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that everything--Perry, Jimmy, the Planet, Metropolis--our whole lives--has
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I wrote this story as a respite from the more serious fic I've been working
on since October and was posted on Zoom's boards last week. I hope you'll
like my 'singles' competition. I tried to write a story that works on more
than one level, so if you're not into tennis, maybe you can still enjoy it.
It is an unseen portion of ATAI that provides a slightly different answer to
the question, "How did I figure it out?"

My gratitude to my tennis consultants, Anne Carlson and Erin Klingler, both
USTA players who advised me on current jargon, clothing, tournament protocol
etc.  Special thanks to Erin who walked me shot by shot through the game I
had written and helped bring my 1970's tennis memories into a contemporary
mode.

Feedback is solicited and welcome either publicly on the list or privately
to:
judithwilliams@prodigy.net

The usual disclaimers to Warner Bros., and D.C. Comics. The characters are
theirs but the events are mine.

REVELATION ANYONE?   A Smashing  Discovery

She stood on a tennis court in the bright warm sun.  A very warm sun.  In
fact, a hot sun.  And she thought that it wouldn't take more than a rally or
two and she would be sweating like a...forget that!  Not a good metaphor;
no, not a good metaphor at all.  She saw that she held her trusty old tennis
racquet in her hand and wondered <Why am I holding this?  I haven't played
tennis in years. Where am I? >

She looked to her right and saw the Umpire's chair and beyond it, tier after
tier of seats stretching up so far she couldn't see the top.  Wide-eyed she
thought again <Where am I?  Why am I here? Do I know these people? >

Sitting courtside to the right of the Umpire's chair were Louie and Rosalie,
smiling and waving.  <Well, it's not a doubles match with Rosalie sitting up
there.  But it's obviously an important singles game.  This isn't the
college court though. Of course not, Lois. Don't be silly.  You haven't been
in college for 5 or 6 years. What *is* this place? >  She looked up again at
what could only be described as a 'royal box'.  <Was that Prince Charles?
And Princes William and Harry?  No! It couldn't be!  Was this Centre Court,
Wimbledon? >

< This can't be happening.  I've gotta find out what's going on. >  She saw
that someone was sitting in the tall chair.  <The Umpire should know
something> After walking over, she stood looking up at a figure that seemed
familiar, but the face, shadowed by the bill of a baseball cap, was
indiscernible.

"What's going on here?  Where is this place?  Why am I here?"  One question
was never enough for Lois Lane.

The figure spoke in a vaguely familiar voice, "Championship singles match.
Miss Lois Lane playing against Mr. Clark Kent, Miss Lane serving.  Commence
play, please."

She gasped and quickly looked across the net at her opponent.  <Since when
was there a mixed singles competition? >There he was, impeccably dressed in
classic tennis whites,  <He would be! > flashing that drop-dead gorgeous
grin, holding a racquet easily in his left hand.  <A lefty.  That could
be.Ooh did he look great in that clinging Tommy Hilfiger tennis shirt; and
those snug white shorts were.> He bent over to pick up a random tennis ball,
tightening the already tight shorts across his derriere.

Whoosh, she exhaled at the sight.<Did he do that on purpose? > She saw him
shoot her a sly look as his hand reached for the errant sphere.  <So that's
the strategy is it?  Keep me distracted so he can control the game.  Well,
two can play that way> She knew how well she looked in tennis clothes and
was sure she could distract him more than he could distract her.  She couldn
't remember which of her tennis outfits she was wearing but hoped she had
selected the form fitting v-necked top and the short short skirt that
accentuated her long legs.

Looking down, <What!?>she was horrified to see that she was wearing an old
oversized faded green T-shirt emblazoned with the words 'Born To Win', denim
cutoffs and, on her feet, the ratty sneakers she wore when she cleaned her
apartment.  Cinching the waist of her T-shirt was a man's necktie, bizarrely
patterned in vivid hues of red, blue and yellow. <No, No! This isn't right.
>  Addressing the Umpire again, "Look, there's been a mistake.  Really, I
can't play this way.  See, I need time.  Time to change into something
better."

The Umpire intoned, "Miss Lane to serve.  Please commence play."

"You can't do this.  It isn't fair.  Don't you see you're giving him an
advantage?"

"I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and the Umpire of this game. I keep
score.  I do not explain.  Commence play, please."

Turning away in frustration, she saw Louie and Rosalie smiling, shaking
their heads 'yes' and giving her thumbs up.  Louie shouted, "You can do it,
doll. Go get 'im."

She whirled and stalked to the baseline.  <Nothing to be done but get this
over as quickly as possible.  It's too late to avoid embarrassment now. >

Taking her place at the service line, she realized that she had a brand new
fuzzy yellow ball in her left hand.  She bounced it twice, looked at her
opponent and glared at the Umpire.

She looked at Clark one more time, saw that he was in an aggressive ready
position, bounced the ball again, then tossed it over her head at the same
time cocking her racquet behind her and bringing it over to meet the ball at
its apex.  <Left-handed huh?  Well then let's see how you handle this high
spinner in the corner away from your backhand. >  Eyes focused on the ball
which seemed to hang suspended above her, she saw the strings flatten the
spheroid, hold and then brush across it as ball and racquet carried forward
toward the opposite service court.

At the impact she shouted, "WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS RUNNING AWAY WHEN WE'RE
TALKING?" And she stood watching as the ball ticked the corner and bounced
high and away to the side.  <Ace! >

But no!  He was there catching the ball on his racquet like a leaping
outfielder, flicking it back cross court calling, "I HAVE ERRANDS TO DO,
LOIS.  I'M SORRY IF THEY SEEM TOCOME AT AN INCONVENIENT TIME," catching her
off guard and out of play.  The ball bounced once, twice, as she watched
flat-footed.

"Love-15."

<Pretty good, Kent.  I underestimated you.  It won't happen again. >  Back
to the service line.  <So high kicks don't bother you.  Let's see how you
feel about this blast to your backhand. >  Once again she tossed, once again
strings met fuzz, this time powering the ball straight at the center line
corner of the service box where it bounced, and with increasing velocity
shot toward the baseline.  As she made contact, simultaneously leaping
forward slightly to punch with all of her body, she called out, "NOBODY GETS
THEIR TEETH CLEANED THREE TIMES IN THREE MONTHS, KENT"

This time she got him.  He had no time to recover and watched speechless as
the ball spun straight back off the court.

"Fifteen All."

<Okay.  Even again.  Now to pick it up a little and close it out. > She
wondered how he would deal with a slice into the body.  Once again the toss,
the focus, the unwinding, the impact as the racquet brushed down and away
impelling the ball toward his backhand corner.  As she struck she shouted,
"WHY DID YOU LEAVE DURING OUR CHESS GAME?" He smiled confidently and turned
to reach for the bouncing ball when to his surprise it veered sharply back
into his body. He managed to get his racquet between his chest and the ball,
which rebounded toward the net as he replied, "I TOLD YOU, I HAD TO RETURN A
VIDEO." The ball fluttered like a sick chicken barely hitting the tape and
rolling down the net on his side.

"30-15."

<Lame return, Kent.  Lame as that excuse. Now, what'll he do with topspin
right at him? >  But she misjudged her toss and hit the ball slightly
off-balance. WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING ME BACK SOME YOGURT?  YOU THINK I'M FAT
DON'T YOU?  The ball sailed beyond the service court.

Clark smiled sympathetically and shrugged, IT WAS A JOKE, LOIS.  AND YOU'RE
NOT FAT.

"Out," called the line judge.

<Sheesh, Lois.  Concentrate!  It's getting really hot out here, so you can't
drag this out.  Just don't give him anything he can do anything with.
Softball him with a twist so he can't get any power into it. > So it was:
the throw, the controlled serve upon which she taunted, "WHY CAN'T YOU BE
HONEST WITH ME?"

   He hit the return down the line to her forehand saying, "I'VE ALWAYS BEEN
HONEST WITH YOU, LOIS."

She sent the reply cross court, deep to his backhand, "SURE YOU HAVE, CLARK.
WHAT DO YOU THINK I AM, GALACTICALLY STUPID?"

He took the bounce easily and returned to her backhand not quite as deep.
 OF COURSE NOT.  I'VE ALWAYS BEEN HONEST WITH YOU EXCEPT FOR ONE THING."

He was softballing her and she knew it. He was giving her nothing to play
off, so that she had to generate all the power for the return.  In this
heat, she would wear down quickly.  <Okay, let's see if you notice this! >
She sent the shot deep to his forehand, calling, "WHAT IS IT?"

He ran over and returned gracefully, hitting hard and flat to the baseline
right of center.  He yelled at the impact, "I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU."

She took the ball on the rise and sent it back deep to his backhand corner,
"SO WHAT'S STOPPING YOU?"

Running back to that side, he hit the ball in stride, "WE KEEP GETTING
INTERRUPTED." The best he could do was return short and down the middle.

She hit flat and deep again to his forehand corner, "WHY CAN'T YOU TELL ME
HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT ME?"

He ran back across the court to intercept the ball, pushing it back deep to
her forehand.  "I GET TONGUE TIED."

Returning deep to his backhand, continuing the rhythm, she yelled, "WELL,
UNTIE IT."

He ran across the court again, barely reaching the shot to send it to her
backhand court, saying, "IT'S COMPLICATED, LOIS." As he hit he stopped and
turned running back in the opposite direction.

She had moved up toward the net anticipating the return and smiled as she
hit a crisp volley to the corner behind him for a clean winner, "YOU COULD
FIND A WAY IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO."

"40-15"

<One more point and it was over.  Boy, is it hot. >  The rally had really
made her sweat; she was covered in perspiration.  Asking the ball girl for a
towel, she wiped her face and glanced up into the stands where she saw
Prince Philip leaning forward staring at her as though hypnotized; he licked
his lips.  Looking down she saw that her T-shirt was soaked and clinging to
her upper torso in an embarrassingly revealing way. She could have been the
instant winner in a wet T-shirt contest. <No-o-o-o this isn't happening to
me. >  She would have blushed, but her face was already bright red from the
heat.

Looking across, she saw that Clark was also mesmerized by her appearance.
"Gimme a break!" she muttered to herself, rolling her eyes heavenward.  She
noticed that Clark suddenly was having trouble keeping a straight face.
<Okay Buster.  We'll just take care of this whole thing NOW. >

She bounced the ball and looked to see if her opponent was ready. "Hey," she
asked the Umpire," What's going on?"  It wasn't Clark facing her across the
net.  It was Superman!  He looked serious and determined.  Out of the corner
of her eye she saw Clark on the doubles partner side.  <I have to play both
of them?  This isn't fair.  This isn't *fair*. This *isn't* fair."  By this
time she had reached the Umpire's chair and stood glaring up at the entity
seated there." I'm not supposed to play *both* of them. This isn't a
threesome. There's no such competition.  It isn't fair. Why is this
happening?"

The voice from the chair answered, "I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and
the Umpire of this game.  I keep score. I do not explain."

"You mean you aren't going to stop it?  How can you allow this?"
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"I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and the Umpire of this game. I keep
score. I do not explain.  Continue play, please."

"I protest.  I officially protest.  I'm playing the rest of this match under
official protest!"

"Continue play, please."

Stalking back to serve, she tried to regain her control.  <Don't panic,
Lois.  Be calm.  This is not the time to panic.  Oh yeah?  Well you just
tell me when it *is* time to panic, because I don't see how I have a hope in
Hades of winning *this* point. >

<What kind of serve do you use against Superman?  Boy could I use a
Kryptonite chip serve!  Cheap shot, Lois!   Give him the soft slice into the
body and maybe he won't kill you with the return.>

Toss, brush, follow through, "YOU KNOW THIS IS TAKING UNFAIR ADVANTAGE, DON'
T YOU SUPERMAN?"

He nonchalantly blocked the ball back; "IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE CLARK WAS BEING
TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.  I JUST WANT TO EVEN THE SCORE."

The ball zipped to the sideline, but Lois was there ready with her forehand.
<Great! I'm still alive.  Well I sure won't give him another chance to hit
the ball. >

She sent a drive along the sideline toward Clark saying, "SINCE WHEN DID YOU
AND SUPERMAN START PLAYING TOGETHER?"    He returned short to her backhand
forecourt, "YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE WE ARE LOIS.  WE DO EVERYTHING TOGETHER."

  She was to the ball quickly, noticing peripherally that Superman had come
forward to cover the center of the net.

Grasping her racquet with both hands, she took a three-quarter back swing,
and smiling smugly punched a zinger down the line, jumping off her feet and
throwing her whole body weight into the stroke as she called, "HA, SUPERMAN!
YOU FORGOT WHAT LOUIE SAID ABOUT MY BACKHAND!"

But Superman was there to take the ball in front of him and send it
cross-court for an unchallenged winner.  "I NEVER FORGET ANYTHING ABOUT YOU,
LOIS.  YOU KNOW THAT."

"40-30."

She was there in front of the chair again. "Didn't you see that?  Didn't you
see how he used his Super powers to win that point?  How can you allow this
to continue?"

"I am the Arbiter of your fantasies and the Umpire of this game.  I keep
score.  I do not explain. Continue play, please."

It was useless talking to this.this.whatever *this* was.  *It* obviously had
a very limited vocabulary and an even more limited brain.  <At least this
time I have a chance; I'll be serving to Clark. >

Familiar as she was with doubles play, Lois concluded that Superman and
Clark would follow the same strategy that she and Rosalie did.  Superman
would be the power hitter like Lois, and Clark would be the spin artist like
Rosalie.  She thought for a minute about the kind of service return she
would like to get back from Clark and decided to use reverse spin, going for
his forehand corner with the bouncing ball veering into his body towards his
backhand.  <If I can just get him to block the ball back with a high lob.>

Looking over at the stands she saw Louie and Rosalie, fists high shouting
encouragement.  "You can do it, Lois," called Rosalie.  You know what to
 do."

She heard Louie, "Aah, go get 'em, Kid. Dese guys er a coupla meatballs.
Chew 'em up!"

She looked across at her opponents.  Superman was wearing Clark's glasses
and Clark was wearing Superman's cape; they held huge racquets that had
giant heads. <This is ridiculous! >

She served the ball with "I THOUGHT YOU WERE A STRAIGHT- UP GUY, CLARK.  I
DIDN'T THINK YOU'D HIDE BEHIND SUPERMAN!"

Her strategy worked perfectly.  He blocked the serve back with a high lob,
"HE'S JUST HELPING ME EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD, LOIS."

<Sports metaphors! >  She *hated* sports metaphors!  She felt a sudden shift
under her feet.  The tennis court had tilted in a seesaw fashion, leaving
her on the down side having to hit uphill.  That was definitely it.  Mad Dog
Lane would show no mercy.  <This game is *over*. >

The lob was beginning its descent and she watched the falling object,
concentrating, focusing completely to the exclusion of all else as it
increased in velocity.

Gauging its angle and speed, she planted herself, left foot slightly in
front, left hand upraised, index finger pointing at the ball, right hand
tightly clasping the racquet cocked behind her back. <Wait.wait.wait.NOW! >
She unwound and met the dropping ball perfectly, shifting her weight forward
as racquet and ball collided" THWACK" and followed through on a point toward
a spot just inside the exact center of the baseline where the overhead smash
would touch down. As she smacked the ball, she shouted triumphantly, "I KNOW
THE *TRUTH*!"

She watched the ball touch down and careen back out of play as Superman and
Clark, converging from opposite sides of the court, frantically tried to
reach it.

"Game, set, match, Miss Lane."

Raising clenched left fist and right hand clutching racquet in the air she
yelled, "YES!" and ran to the net, still watching Superman and Clark who
now, having reached the center point, crashed together in a blinding flash
of incandescent light that seemed to last forever.

In the phosphorescent haze, she could see a single outline--Clark wearing
his glasses.and Superman's cape.

She closed her eyes to shut out the glare and when she opened them she saw
the walls of her bedroom.  Lying in her bed, wearing a totally drenched
faded green T-shirt pronouncing 'Born to Win', she was wound up in a sheet
that was also damp and clammy.    <It was a dream! A crazy dream! >

She'd had a temperature the night before because of the cold she caught from
being frozen by Superman; that's why she'd been so hot. The fever must have
broken causing her to perspire. <I need water! >

Stumbling to the kitchen, Lois filled a glass from the chilled spring water
bottle. She drank thirstily, leaning against the sink, while she pondered
her dream.  <How odd that I can remember it all so well. Nobody ever
remembers all of their dreams.  And what on earth does it mean?  'I know the
truth?'  What truth? Why would Clark and Superman combine to play against
me? >

Her brow wrinkled as she puzzled over the enigma.  <Superman and Clark.
Clark and Superman. Together. How would Superman know about my backhand?  He
didn't hear Louie say that. >

She poured more water and pressed the cool glass against her warm cheek
still ruminating over the puzzle.   <Superman wearing Clark's glasses.
Clark wearing Superman's cape. How peculiar.> She drank the water and placed
the glass on the counter. <Clark and Superman; Superman and Clark. Clark and
Superman together.  'We do everything together'. >

Staring at the floor, unseeing, she repeated the litany in her mind; then
her eyes focused and narrowed. She said out loud, "Clark Superman; Superman,
Clark. Together." And with an astonished cry, "Clark, Superman; Superman,
Clark! Together?!", she looked up,  eyes open wide as she assimilated her
shocking discovery.

She started toward the bedroom, swung around and returned, pivoted and went
back again chanting, "Omigod, omigod, omigod," alternating between wringing
her hands and flailing her arms about.

She continued back and forth, talking aloud to herself, "Why didn't he tell
me?  How could he do this to me?  After I let him almost kill me to save his
parents. After I told Clark that Superman and I were just friends After I
told Superman to tell Clark that I loved Clark, I mean .after I told who,
whoever. told.whoever.whatever.or whatever I told whoever or is that
whomever.Whatever I told who...whom.whatever! . Lois get a grip! >

< He's always been *honest* with me 'except for one thing'. That's a pretty
big thing don't you think, you liar? Ooh is he gonna pay."

At this point she was headed in the direction of the bathroom so she
continued on and into the shower, where the soothing water flow calmed her
to the point that she could begin to think rationally.

<Okay, Lois, we'll just find out what dumb excuse he has for not telling
you. He's got a *million* of those.  Just how outrageous will this one be?
'I had to go check out the new tie shop at the mall, Lois.' 'My Optometrist
was having a 2 for 1 special, Lois." "I was expecting a Twinkie delivery
from HomeGrocer.com, Lois."  Oogh! You haven't seen *mad* yet,
Farmboy.Flyboy. > She was getting excited again. <*You* are in big trouble
you.you.boy, are you in trouble. >

When she went back into the bedroom to dress, she glimpsed the photograph of
them on her nightstand with Clark holding his Kerth award, reminding her
that she had concealed how proud she had been for him, and how she had
secretly enjoyed hanging on his arm decoratively and playing the adoring
partner.

Well she *was* his adoring partner, now.  Face it; she was crazy about the
guy and no matter how mad he made her, she knew she was going to forgive
him.    What had he said in the dream, 'I've been trying to tell you, but we
keep getting interrupted.'
How much longer would he wait to tell her what he had been hiding?

She had to admit it. He *had* tried to tell her, even getting to the point
of saying "Lois, I'm Super." when the phone call had interrupted and he'd
come up with that *stupid* excuse about his barber.

At that moment, the telephone interrupted *her* thoughts and when she
answered she heard, "Hi.  It's me.  Are you feeling better?" Her heart went
thumpety-thump, and she knew it would be very hard to stay mad at him for
long.

"Hello, me.  I'm feeling much better, thanks.  You?"

"I'm great, now that I'm hearing your voice.  Did you see the paper yet?"

<Tongue-tied?  Not when he could come up with a line like that.>  "No, did
we get a headline?"

"Front page and scooped all the other papers. You feeling up to some
company? I'll bring over a copy."

"I'm feeling so great, I think I'd like to get some fresh air."

"Okay. Maybe we could take a little walk.over to Centennial Park? There's
something I've been wanting to talk to you about."

"Sounds perfect. We *do* have a lot to talk about.  Pick me up in half an
hour?"

"I'll be there."

Hanging up the phone, she thought, that yes, she would forgive him, but
maybe not right away.  She needed to hear what he wanted to talk to her
about. Was he finally going to tell her the truth?

She grinned impishly and said aloud, "This should be *some* walk in the
park!"

AND THE ANSWER IS.
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I, for one, LIKE your Voyager/Superman crossover thingie. So I am NOT
disappointed you are still writing in it. I've been waiting for it, in fact
:-).

SuperLorie
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Carol,

I wish I had more time recently. I wish I had more time, period. ;p I
haven't been to the message boards for a few weeks now, but this, this was
beautiful. :) :)

S
P
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S
P
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E

>"I'm surprised -- isn't this just a little bit illegal -- I thought
Superman
>was above this sort of thing."
>
>"Me too."

Now this was very interesting. Again, an intriguing twist on the Lois we
know from canon, who pushed Clark into bending the law all along. ("You
took advantage...? I love it!") I hope your Clark will do a little thinking
about this one before the end of the story; I love when characters grapple
with grays. :)

BTW, in the show, wasn't Clark somehow "drawn" to the ship?

>The craft was the same, only
>it was different, the way an older car resembles this year's model.

Oooh, Carol, is that a clue? The '66 model was replaced by a '96 mockup
that Zara and Ching cobbled together...?

>"That's the big question, isn't?  But I'll tell you one thing she hasn't
got."
>
>He detected a small note of mischievous pride in her voice and smiled.
>"Something you've got, I bet."
>
>"Yes, only it's in San Francisco."

Y'know, when I read this, I'd momentarily forgotten that Lois mailed the
globe to her friend. What sprung instantly to *my* mind was the title of an
old song: "I Left My Heart In San Francisco." Was this deliberate, Carol?
Because Clark's heart is one thing that Lois most definitely has that Zara
doesn't. ;)

Oh, one last question: *why* didn't Clark take the ship with him? He didn't
take it on the show because they got caught, and besides, Lois didn't know
who he was. That's not the case here. Why not take it, confront Zara with
it, and see what happens...?

Oh, yeah. I'm not the author. ;)

I hope we get part 19 soon. This is one of the best alt-stories I've read
in a *long* time.

Hazel
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Hey fellow FoLC's....i was wondering if y'all might help me out with a
mystery. I'm reading the Fifth Season for the very first time (yes, I wanted
to wait until the final episode of L&C...lol) and I was wondering why some
of
the stories aren't on there. Do the authors just not want their stories on
the site? Are they disgruntled with something? Just wondering...it's just
kind of annoying. Ya know, like missing an episode of Lois and Clark? I'm
sure you can all understand that! <chuckle>

Thanks,
SuperLorie
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In a message dated 3/19/00 12:27:34 AM Central Standard Time,
Qextor@ATTCANADA.NET writes:

<<
 After tracking down the previous sections, I sat down to read them...
 Very good, I must say!  Just one thing.... I assume Clark had the suit
 on when he and Lois arrived in the Delta Quadrant... It isn't clear
 whether or not he changed back into regular clothes before encountering
 Seven et al. I assume he had, but it still jangled a little.

 Anyway...  You better get cracking on the next part, if you know
 what's good for you!!  <huge grin>  ;-> >>

Where are the first seven parts available?

Piper
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Hi Lorie,

Welcome to Season 5 :)  Speaking as the long-suffering webmistress
(hehe) I'm glad someone's reading them! <g>

Two of the episodes, however, are no longer present in their original
form.  Leanne Shawler is rewriting "Reconstruction" in the hopes of
publishing it somewhere (for money) so she's withdrawn the A-plot part
-- she has, however, edited it so that some of the B-plot discussions
remain, on the theory that half an episode is better than none.

At the moment, the Season 5 site has more of Leanne's episodes up than
the archive.  <http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/Season5/season5.html>
The website also has cool pictures & formatting extras that you can't
get on the archive (you have got to see the L&C-in-Scotland pictures in
"Whiskey Galore" <g>) -- and check out "Propaganda Central" for graphic
posters for each episode :)

Sandy McDermin was severely disillusioned by a discussion last fall, and
no longer wishes to have her words under anyone else's control, which
means that "Charity Begins At Home" had to come down from the archive
and the Season 5 site.  However, she has promised to e-mail it (and all
the rest of her stories, if you like) to whoever requests a copy, so
just send her a note. :)  Her address is posted on the archive and on
the S5 site.

Hope that helps, and happy reading, Lorie :)
--
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Since Tara is working today she asked me to post this.

If anyone wants parts one through seven of Threads of Confusion, please
e-mail her personally at Starkitty__@hotmail.com and let her know if you
can take attachments.

Nan
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Pat wrote:
>
> Ann wrote:
>
> > On the other hand, as a life-long Catholic,  I can't really imagine
> a real
> > archbishop being willing to marry someone any place other than a
> church.  I
> > believe there is something in Canon Law about sacramental marriages
> have to
> > take place on "hallowed ground," i.e. in a church, chapel, etc.
>
> I think it might depend on the local archdiocese, Ann.  When I wanted
> to have my wedding in a friend's garden,  I was told that in the
> Chicago archdiocese, the wedding had to be performed in a church,
> chapel or rectory.  I've attended Catholic weddings in other
> archdioceses that were held in more secular spots (restuarant in one
> case), though.
>
> Pat

My brother was married last fall in New York City.  He and his bride
wanted to be married on the beach, by the ocean, but the church vetoed
it.  The only place the Church would marry them was inside the church
building.  So we had a small, private, family only wedding (with Mass)
early in the afternoon, and then the big
wedding on the beach in the evening.  The Church called it "blessing the
marriage" since the marriage had already taken place, but we had the
same readings, and the same sermon we'd had earlier in the day.

Well, that gives us Chicago, Washington DC, and New York archdioceses
where weddings have to take place in a church.

Knowing Lex, he probably had his office building consecrated as a
church.  Isn't there a mystery writer who had a church being the bottom
two floors of a high-rise office building in Chicago?
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hours what a competent librarian can find in five minutes. :-)
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PJ Piasecki wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/19/00 12:27:34 AM Central Standard Time,
> Qextor@ATTCANADA.NET writes:
>
> <<
>  After tracking down the previous sections, I sat down to read them...
>  Very good, I must say!  Just one thing.... I assume Clark had the suit
>  on when he and Lois arrived in the Delta Quadrant... It isn't clear
>  whether or not he changed back into regular clothes before encountering
>  Seven et al. I assume he had, but it still jangled a little.
>
>  Anyway...  You better get cracking on the next part, if you know
>  what's good for you!!  <huge grin>  ;-> >>
>
> Where are the first seven parts available?
>
> Piper

The LoisCla-General-L Archive:

Just go to http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html
and click on the January 2000 posts. You should be able to find them
from there.

--NK
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Hazel,  thanks for taking the time to comment on part 18 and for the
wonderful compliment. :)   I do know what you mean about time. :)   As usual
you give me things to think about as I continue with this story, like
Clark's
B & E, and why he didn't take the ship.

<<BTW, in the show, wasn't Clark somehow "drawn" to the ship?>>  I don't
think so.  The ship wasn't the  first thing that heexamined when he was in
the warehouse.  I watched SV recently just to make sure I didn't contradict
anything in that ep about the ship.

<<the title of an old song: "I Left My Heart In San Francisco." Was this
deliberate, Carol?>>  um, no, not this time. <g>

part 19 tomorrow.

Carol
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Genevieve wrote:
> Well, that gives us Chicago, Washington DC, and New York
archdioceses
> where weddings have to take place in a church.
>
> Knowing Lex, he probably had his office building consecrated as a
> church

That's one of the more interesting parts of canon law, Genevieve,
there are often loopholes, just as there are in civil law ;)  For
example, a friend who wouldn't be eligible for an annulment under
civil law just found out that she'll be able to get an annulment
through the church with no problem.

Pat

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Hi -- I had it ready so I thought I'd post early.  In the San Francisco
segment of this part, I used a non- L & C POV.  I'm wondering if this worked
or if it would have been better to stay with an L&C POV?

Carol
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Connections, part 19

"This Lois Lane makes him even less predictable than he was before."   As he
paced the small command centre on board their space craft, Ching scowled at
Zara and Trey, his frustration obvious.  "He doesn't seem capable of
deciding
between this woman and his duty."

Trey brought his hands together and worried thoughtfully, "Picking her up
and
flying away with her."  He shook his head imperceptibly.  "He is perhaps
easily distracted."

"I should have followed him."

"No, Ching.  I told you I didn't think it was necessary.  It's better to be
here in case Nor makes another attempt to contact us.  Besides, Kal said he
would return to the apartment."

"You place so much trust in him," Ching said bitterly, the strain of his
worry about the well-being of their children taking its toll on him as he
knew, in fairness, that it was on Zara.

"I do.  He said he would return and he will.  I'd better get back there."

"I don't like leaving you alone," Ching said.  He'd been with her, guarding
her since he was twenty and it went against all his training and his
instincts to leave her unguarded in this crisis.  And it went beyond his
deep
feeling for her to leave her unprotected.

"I'll contact Vega to come to the apartment.  Remember, it's you who trained
him and he's very good.  It's better if you stay here."  <<Please, Ching,>>
she communicated silently to him. <<What if Nor tries something here?>>

Ching's face softened for a moment as he met her eyes.  "Very well, my
Lady."
 Silently, he added, <<Be careful, love, be careful.>>

*****

The flight to San Francisco was, to say the least, awkward.  Away from the
safe neutrality imposed by the warehouse and the immediacy of the need to
locate the ship, Clark and Lois now were thrown into closer intimacy -- at
least physical intimacy.  Somehow the necessity for their bodies to touch if
he was to carry her while flying made them them more aware of the gulf
betweeen them.  Here, high above the Earth, there was no task to distract
them from  each other, no safe footing.  They were completely alone and both
were painfully conscious of that.

Clark was concerend about Lois's body temperature but she assured him it
didn't seeem to be a problem; neverthelesss, he flew more slowly than he
ordinarilty would have done, holding her very carefully.  Yet he couldn't
seem to get a proper hold on her, and he was afraid of touching her somwhere
inappropriate.  She seemed stiff in his arms and once, when his grip
slipped,
she clutched his neck and he was aware of her rapid breathing as he quickly
apologized.  After that, they lapsed into silence, saying nothing more
during
the brief time it took to fly to San Francisco.

Then, with a sense of relief, they were standing in front of Jess
MacConnell's condominium.

***

Jess looked up from the keyboard of her baby grand piano, distracted by the
buzz of her apartment intercom from the big goal of learning her first piece
of classical music.  Rising, she padded in sock soft feet across bare
hardwood floor to press the speak button.  "Hi."

"Jess, it's me -- Lois."

"Lois!  It's open."   Jess was both surprised and pleased; she hadn't
expected to see her friend again for awhile.  She also wanted to talk to
Lois
in person about the strange globe which she had sent by express post a few
days ago.  She walked into her streamlined kitchen to pull out a kettle,
teapot, and other tea peripherals, while mentally checking to make sure her
guest bedroom was in order.  It was.   Moments later she heard a knock on
her
apartment door.

Then Jess froze, not speaking for a moment as she stared at her old friend
and her companion -- Jess wasn't absolutely sure, but she was ninety-nine
percent sure, that she was looking at Clark Kent, or at least someone who
looked quite a lot like the pictures she'd seen of him.  Finding her voice,
she said, "Come in, come in."  Then she looked at her friend.  "Lois, what's
going on?"

"Jess, this is Clark Kent.  He's... a friend.  We've come to get the globe."

Jess extended her hand to the stranger in front of her, observing his
reserve
as well as the guarded look on Lois's face.  She felt Clark Kent's strong
hand take hers in a brief, firm grip and then heard his voice acknowledge
the
introduction.  Partly, she was in awe of who it was who had stepped into her
living space but also she had picked up on the restraint in Lois's demeanor.
 Why had she hesitated before introducing him as a friend?   Was Lois trying
to give her a signal, a warning that she should be careful about the globe?

Three days ago, while Jess was unwrapping the package in which the globe had
come, she had been very conscious of Lois's e-mail to "keep it safe."  At
first, she had looked at the sphere curiously, then given it a more careful
second glance.   Not being immodest, she did admit to having a substantial
background in both engineering physics and computer science and she knew
something extraordinary when she saw it.

Her next move had been to show it to a very close friend whom she trusted
and
who was also a tech guru, asking him what he thought it was.  He'd looked at
it, examined it, and been mystified.  The casing which protected it was
something unknown to him; whatever it housed was impenetrable.  He had no
idea.  If he had no idea, Jess knew, then neither would anyone else.  So she
had chosen what she thought was the most obscure place in her apartment, the
unreachable back section of the corner sink cabinet, placed the globe in an
old cookie container, and sworn her friend to secrecy about its existence.
She had no idea what it was that Lois had stumbled upon but she would
protect
it.

Now she looked to her friend for clues as to what to do.  None were
forthcoming.  All she sensed was a stiff awkwardness between Lois and her
companion as they entered the apartment, Lois stepping quickly ahead as
though trying to put distance between her and this superman.

Jess wondered if maybe Superman was not the benevolent being she'd read
about.  She had wondered, as had her circle of friends, where the so-called
'Man of Steel' had come from, their bets being placed on his alien origins.
Now she watched both Lois and Clark Kent as they entered her apartment and
wondered.  Had this superbeing somehow managed to convince Lois, against her
will, to come here for the globe?

Then she remembered this was Lois, and Jess had no actual experience of
anyone ever convincing her to do anything against her will.  So why did she
detect this remoteness between Lois and Clark Kent?  Something was not quite
right.

Smiling pleasantly, at least what she hoped was pleasantly, at the stranger
in her room, Jess said,  "Lois, can I talk to you for a minute?"  Touching
her friend's sleeve, she  conveyed with a shift of her blue eyes that they
should retire into the spare bedroom, leaving Clark Kent alone for a moment.

Hoping that the man on the other side of the closed door was not using
superhearing to eavesdrop,  Jess whispered, "Lois, do you mean, like, give
him the globe?"

"Yes," Lois looked at her friend and rolled her eyes.  "Give him the globe,
Jess.  It's his."

"I figured that -- but is it right to give him the globe?"

"Yes!"

Jess looked at Lois for a second, decided her friend was not possessed, and
then said, "OK, but I have to tell you, me and Angus  -- and Lois, he's the
best all purpose hacker plus hardware guy in Silicone Valley -- looked at
this real carefully -- very thorough, and we have no idea what it is."

Lois followed her friend toward the kitchen, ignoring the man who sat
rigidly
on the couch in front of Jess's large window.  "Trust me.  I don't think he
has either."

Jess shot a look of alarm at her friend.  Trust Lois to come back from the
dead, not with a whimper but a bang.  Kneeling down on the floor, she
rotated
the lazy susan in the corner cabinet around until she could reach the cookie
container.  She pulled it out, opened the lid, and handed the globe to her
friend who took it carefully, almost reverently, Jess noticed, in her hands.
Then they both walked into the living area, and Jess watched while Lois
presented it formally to the man on the couch.

"Here," Lois said, and Jess noticed that she still avoided meeting
Superman's
eyes, "this is what I removed from your ship."

Jess watched as Clark Kent rose to his feet, giving a respectful nod at her
friend.  She noticed, too, the look, on his face, grateful and yet sad as he
looked at Lois, who avoided returning his gaze.  "Thank you."  His voice
sounded humble as he took the globe in his hands, staring at it and waited,
Jess had no idea for what.

Nothing happened.  Jess watched as Clark raised the globe in one hand,
scrutinizing it, narrowing his eyes and giving it a careful once over.  She
thought he seemed both puzzled and eager, and then finally disappointed.  So
much for her assumption that Superman was a man without emotions.  He was
not
the son of Spock.

What was he expecting?  She looked at Lois, who now was unable to keep her
eyes off the globe and the man sitting across from her.

Then Clark Kent lowered his hand, placing the globe on the couch beside him,
and said, politely, "Thank you, Jess. This means a lot to me."  He turned to
Lois.  "I'll take this back with me.  Do you want to come with me or do you
want to stay here?"

Jess noticed Lois's hesitation and then watched her shoulders straighten as
she replied, "I'll stay here."

For a moment, there was an awkward silence, and Jess found herself saying
for
the first time in her life what she'd heard her Scottish grandmother say so
many times.  "Why don't I make some tea?"  Hearing no response, but also
noticing that Superman, who seemed very much like an ordinary man to her at
this moment, made no move to get up, she disappeared into her kitchen area
to
dig out some lapsang souchong which she'd taken a fancy to lately.

When she came back into the living area, she nearly dropped the tray she was
carrying.  The globe had risen, floating now a few feet above the couch,
glowing, and moving slowing into the center of the sitting area, hovering
and
pulsing, the land masses on the globe a bright red and the rest a luminous
white.  It almost seemed like the globe was reading the people in the room.
For a second, it ventured near Jess, then Lois, and finally retreated back
to
Clark.  He raised one hand to try to still its movements but quickly
withdrew
it when that didn't work.  Jess noticed that he shot a quick look at Lois
who, for the first time since their arrival, met his eyes.

Jess silently slid her tray onto the sideboard and stood quietly, trying not
to voice her astonishment as a hologram suddenly materialized in her living
room.  She watched, astounded, as a vision of a middle aged man wearing a
white tunic spoke, telling them his name was Jor El and that his purpose was
to tell his son, Kal El, of his heritage.  Then she heard, "This is the
first
of five messages that we have recorded."

As he spoke, Jess noticed that beside him was a woman, about forty, with
long
red hair, dressed in the same type of long white tunic as the man.  On their
chests were crests, white versions of Superman's logo.  Were they uniforms?
Or were they members of a religious cult?  The man called her Lara and Jess
wondered, given that they were both in what appeared to be a laboratory, and
also, given that the woman did not speak, if she were his assistant.  Then
the lab appeared to shake as though there had been an explosion and suddenly
the image vanished, a postcard from another galaxy to a son, lost for a
reason that Jess had no idea about.

Now she looked at Clark Kent, his eyes fixed on the afterglow of his
father's
 image, something desperate in his eyes, and then she saw him look
automatically at Lois and for a moment their eyes met and Jess had never
seen
Lois look so compassionately at anyone.  Then she stood up, and Jess felt
her
friend's energy as she paced to the window overlooking San Francisco Bay.

Lois turned to face them.  "I'll come back with you, Clark.  To see Zara."

Clark rose, carefully cradling the globe as he asked Jess, his voice more
husky than before, "Do you mind if I keep the box?  I don't like to leave it
unprotected."

Jess looked at him, still amazed at what she had seen and wishing with every
fibre of her being that she could take the globe apart to learn how it
worked.  "No, no.  You need something to keep it in."

"Thank you, Jess, for taking care of it for Lois, and for me."  He smiled,
and Jess felt all right about returning the globe to him, or giving him
anything else he might want, for that matter.

"Any time," she grinned back.  Then she directed a question at Lois.  "How
did you find this, Lois?  I wanted to ask when you sent it to me, but I
figured it was something a little hot, so I didn't want to say anything that
could be retrieved or overheard by anyone or be incriminating."

"I sort of came across it in the course of a story I was working on."

For the first time, Jess heard Clark laugh.  "She stole it.  From the FBI."

Jess laughed too.  "Why doesn't that surprise me?"

Lois sounded a little miffed.  "Well, it should.  No one is more on the side
of truth and justice than me."  She met Jess's eyes and grinned, "But
sometimes, I like to get to define the terms."  Turning she walked toward
the
closet in Jess's foyer.  "Thanks, Jess, more than I can say.  But I think I
should go back to Metropolis."

"Can't you stay tonight?  I'd sure like to know what's going on."

Jess thought there was a trace of sadness in her friend's voice as she
replied, "So would I, Jess."  While Lois pulled on her coat, Jess looked at
Clark, catching him unaware, noticing his wistfulness as he watched her
friend.  Then the look disappeared as Lois turned to face him. "Are you
ready, Clark?"

"Yes.  Thanks again, Jess.  I hope some day I can return your favour."

"It was nothing, Clark.  I think maybe it was my privilege to help you."

He smiled and then surprised her. "May we use your balcony?  I think we'll
cause a little less attention if we take off from there rather than street
level."

Jess nodded dumbly.  Nothing more was going to faze her tonight.  She led
the
way to her balcony door, slid it open and stepped out into the cool damp
air.
 Lois, and then Clark, followed her.  Once again they said their good-byes
and Jess watched as Clark warily picked up her friend who was once more
studiously avoiding acknowledging his physical presence.  Then they shot
upwards away from the setting sun, leaving Jess standing on her balcony,
curious about her friend's relationship with this man, more curious about
Krypton, and deeply mourning the loss of the globe which she still felt she
could crack, given enough time.  Sighing, but not unhappy, she turned back
to
her living room.  The world was a different place than it had been last
week.

*****
end part 19
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In a message dated 3/19/00 1:29:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
nightsky@EROLS.COM writes:

<<
 Knowing Lex, he probably had his office building consecrated as a
 church.  Isn't there a mystery writer who had a church being the bottom
 two floors of a high-rise office building in Chicago?
 >>
You're right -- Lex would have done something like that.  don't know about
the mystery writer.

Ann
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In a message dated 3/19/00 6:30:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, peabody@MCS.COM
writes:

<<  For
 example, a friend who wouldn't be eligible for an annulment under
 civil law just found out that she'll be able to get an annulment
 through the church with no problem. >>

That doesn't really surprise me.  A civil annulment means that there was no
valid civil contract for the marriage.  A church annulment means that there
was no valid "sacramental" marriage.  The reasons for civil annulments tend
to be things like: lack of consummation of the marriage, or one of the
parties being unable to make the contract by virtue of being underage,
mentally incompetent, or already married to someone else.  A church
annulment
is granted when one or both parties is judged to have not made their vows in
good faith, or because they were underage or mentally incapable.  The "vows
made not in good faith" reason is probably the most common one in the US.  A
marriage annulled by the  Catholic Church is still considered to have been a
legally valid marriage -- the children are legitimate, etc.  It just isn't
considered to be a sacrament -- which is not supposed to be dissolved.

Ann
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Okay, okay, I really, *really* hate to continue to be a pest here <g>, but I
am just wondering what the current "status report" is on "Darkest Hour."
Erin?  I know you must be swamped with the votes for the Kerths, so I really
don't expect to hear much from you until after Saturday, but still, I can't
let you forget about your other 'project.'  <vbg>  It's just that it's been
such a long time since we've seen any installments.  I figured that it's
about time to resume my shameless begging.  ;)

BTW, I just have to add that I can't *wait* for the Kerths!  I was unable to
attend last year, so barring any computer crashes or other disasters, I am
really looking forward to Saturday.  :)  Hope to see everyone there!!

Genine
SuperGem4@aol.com
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In a message dated 3/6/00 12:27:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, erink@IDA.NET
writes:

> It probably sounds like an hollow promise at this point, but I do promise
to
>  send another installment of DH very, very soon!  ;)
>
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Great section Carol.  I didn't have any problem with the point of view, I
thought it played well. The stiffness they both felt due to their
insecurities... nice.  And having Jess as an observer to their emotions was
very well done.  Wondering how you're going to resolve this before he has to
leave... :^)

Noticed a typo...

> Clark was concerend about Lois's body temperature but she assured him it
> didn't seeem to be a problem; neverthelesss, he flew more slowly than he

seem..

Kath
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> Two of the episodes, however, are no longer present in their original
> form.  Leanne Shawler is rewriting "Reconstruction" in the hopes of
> publishing it somewhere (for money) so she's withdrawn the A-plot part
> -- she has, however, edited it so that some of the B-plot discussions
> remain, on the theory that half an episode is better than none.
>
> Sandy McDermin was severely disillusioned by a discussion last fall, and
> no longer wishes to have her words under anyone else's control, which
> means that "Charity Begins At Home" had to come down from the archive
> and the Season 5 site.  However, she has promised to e-mail it (and all
> the rest of her stories, if you like) to whoever requests a copy, so
> just send her a note. :)  Her address is posted on the archive and on
> the S5 site.

This is a bummer, for those two episodes were great ones.  It's a good thing
I downloaded all the S5/S6/TUFS eps last year.  I'd send a copy of the
missing eps, Lorie, but we should get Leanne and Sandy's permission first.

Speaking of TUFS... (and my apologies if this question has been asked)  Did
anyone notice that the text version of "The Ex-Files" (Episode 9) and the
html version are not the same?  The text version has some scenes cut.
Anyone know why?  And are there any other episodes like that, in S5/S6/TUFS?

Finally, is the "Unintentional Season" "over" (I believe we've reached
22 eps)?  If so, will there be another one?

F

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Hi FoLCs,

Don't panic --the deadline for submitting designs for the official
LAFF 2000 T-shirt is still May 1 ;)

Right now, though, Chris and I are hoping to get an idea of how many
people are planning to submit designs, so we can estimate how much web
space we'll need for the display.

If you're planning to send a design for the contest, would you please
drop Chris a short email at CP13607@aol.com

Thanks :)

Pat

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I want to make sure I have everything set up for the Kerth Awards next
Saturday.  What are the channel names for both the awards and the chat?
Thanks.........and I'm counting down the days til Kerth time!!
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Dean has been spotted in an interview promoting Ripley's several times on TV
Guide's Preview Channel.

For those who don't have this it's just a channel that scrolls a local
programing guide so that you can see what's on the tube within the next hour
and a half without having to reach for the TV Guide itself. While it scrolls
they run usually infomercials and what not and that's when a friend spotted
this.

Like almost everything else on my site, it's not linked to any one page ...
yet. But here the direct link if anyone would like to check it out.

http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/Dean_PGI.rm

TTYL
Anne :)
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Yeah, I saw that too.  Cool, isn't it? :)

Tara

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>Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:19:21 EST
>
>Dean has been spotted in an interview promoting Ripley's several times on
>TV
>Guide's Preview Channel.
>
>For those who don't have this it's just a channel that scrolls a local
>programing guide so that you can see what's on the tube within the next
>hour
>and a half without having to reach for the TV Guide itself. While it
>scrolls
>they run usually infomercials and what not and that's when a friend spotted
>this.
>
>Like almost everything else on my site, it's not linked to any one page ...
>yet. But here the direct link if anyone would like to check it out.
>
>http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/Dean_PGI.rm
>
>TTYL
>Anne :)

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"Felix E. Sung" wrote:
>
> Speaking of TUFS... (and my apologies if this question has been asked)
Did
> anyone notice that the text version of "The Ex-Files" (Episode 9) and the
> html version are not the same?  The text version has some scenes cut.
> Anyone know why?  And are there any other episodes like that, in
S5/S6/TUFS?
>

The text version on the L&C Fanfic Archives, or the text version on the
TUFS website?  I put the text versions together for the archives, and I
used what was actually mailed out.  The .html versions were made
separatly, and then the text versions on the TUFS website were put up
much later.  So I guess the answer is, no I hadn't noticed, and I don't
know why.

The only other episode I know of with problems was Full Circle : A New
Day.  Somehow the .html version that went up at first was made *not*
made from the final draft, and not only contained numerous typos, but
was also missing the great scene with Star that Beth Washington wrote.
I think it was about four weeks before Matt finally got that fixed, so
if anyone downloaded Full Circle from the TUFS website right away,
they'll have the buggy issue.

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In a message dated 20/03/2000 13:11:19 GMT Standard Time, nightsky@EROLS.COM
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<< I think it was about four weeks before Matt finally got that fixed, so
 if anyone downloaded Full Circle from the TUFS website right away,
 they'll have the buggy issue. >>

Thanks for the tip Genevieve.  I'll have to check that out, come to think of
it though I received it via email from TUFS.  Is that one okay?

Rowan :)
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Oh boy oh boy oh boy.
 A new part to connections.  Made my day.

Charlotte
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Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:22:31 -0500
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From:         James Tull <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: You've received a postcard from Wendy!

Tara,
If your not Catholic then you don't have one.

James, who will stop here before he starts another mess...
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Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:28:51 -0500
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You want FDK?  How about this.

MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!

Is that enough or am I nagging?
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Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:39:46 +0000
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From:         Wendy Richards <w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:22:31 -0500 James Tull
<mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM> wrote:

> Tara,
> If your not Catholic then you don't have one.

If you mean a patron saint, whether or not a country has a
patron saint has nothing to do with whether or
not one is Catholic! It's a national and not a
denominational issue.

...and on this note, I return you to the original purpose
of this list.

Wendy
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Wendy Richards
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Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:41:40 -0500
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From:         Pam Jernigan <jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET>
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Hey Felix :)

> This is a bummer, for those two episodes were great ones.  It's a good
thing
> I downloaded all the S5/S6/TUFS eps last year.  I'd send a copy of the
> missing eps, Lorie, but we should get Leanne and Sandy's permission first.

They're both still available thru e-mail.  And I know Sandy's continued
to tweak and improve "Charity" so it'd probably be worth your while to
contact her for the latest version :)

> The text version has some scenes cut.
> Anyone know why?  And are there any other episodes like that, in
S5/S6/TUFS?

I don't know about TUFS, but we didn't do anything like that on purpose
in S5/S6 ... if anyone notices anything, please assume it was a boo-boo,
and let me know so I can fix it :)

> Finally, is the "Unintentional Season" "over" (I believe we've reached
> 22 eps)?  If so, will there be another one?

Yeah, the 22nd ep was a season ender, I believe.  The IRC RR group did
actually start another season, but Real Life has intruded, and there
haven't been writing days for awhile.  I miss it, but if it means
Zoomway and the others have more time for their own fanfic, I won't mind
too much <g>
--
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ChiefPam on IRC         |  ChPam on AOL IM
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--John Chricton, on Farscape.
"You have no idea how little I care about blown spume."
"Actually, it's 'flung spume' and 'blown spray', but I
think I like your version better."
--Dana & Dan discuss yachting, on SportsNight
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Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:58:37 -0500
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Hey SM!  The names are #KerthChat and #KerthAwards...

See ya there!

KathR

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> I want to make sure I have everything set up for the Kerth Awards next
> Saturday.  What are the channel names for both the awards and the chat?
> Thanks.........and I'm counting down the days til Kerth time!!
>
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Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:57:58 -0700
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Hi everyone!

Voting is now closed for the 2000 Fanfic Kerth Awards, but I just wanted to
let everyone know how thrilled I am about the incredible voting turnout we
had
for this year's Awards.  I just finished tallying votes, and you'll probably
be as astonished as I was to discover that we had *218 ballots* submitted
this
year!  If I remember correctly, that's even more than last year.  ;)  Thanks
so much to everyone who voted!  It's ppl like you who participate who make
these Kerth Awards such a success.

Also, I'd like to quickly thank my vote-tallying partner Kathy Brown, who
I'm
sure had *no* idea just how much work she was in for before she volunteered
to
help me with tallying.  <g>  Thanks Kathy!!  ;)  And thanks to Pam Jernigan,
for working so hard to get this year's Awards ceremony planned, and to all
you
other FoLCs who have helped so much to get this year's Kerths going:
Genevieve for making a one-stop reading web site, Lauren for her help with
the
ballot and updates on the fanfic archive, Wendy, Hazel and crew for their
terrific fanfic quizzes, Chris and Annie for hosting the sounds pages,
and...gosh, I'm sure I'm forgetting many others.  There are so many generous
folcs who've gone out of their way to help, and I just want you to know that
we couldn't pull this event off without you.  THANK YOU!!!

Remember, plan to come to the Kerth Awards ceremony this coming Saturday,
March 25th on IRC on #kerthawards, and make sure to camp out in #kerthchat,
as
well, to talk with everyone while the ceremony is going on.  It's always a
ton
of fun!  For more information on the ceremony, go to:
www.ida.net/users/davek/kerth_ceremony.html

I hope to see everyone there this Saturday!  Thanks again!

Erin  :)
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:57:58 -0700 Erin Klingler
<erink@IDA.NET> wrote:

[snip info about the huge numbers who voted!]

>  There are so many
> generous folcs who've gone out of their way to help, and I
> just want you to know that we couldn't pull this event off
> without you.  THANK YOU!!!

And thank you, Erin, for your terrific Kerth site, all your
hard work in organising everyone else, running the ballot,
counting the votes, chivvying us all to nominate and vote,
and everything else you did and are doing... while at the
same time getting ready to have a baby!!  Three enormous
cheers for Erin!

(Which reminds me, how is Klingler Junior doing? Still
threatening to come early?)

Wendy
(wondering whether this year's ceremony will also have a
co-ordinator disappearing part-way through due to
early labour symptoms!)
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Nagging is cool.  It's still FDK, right? :)

FYI: I'm currently busily getting Maggie and Jimmy up to their eyebrows in
trouble.  Between rips in space-time and visiting Q, they're going to be
pretty busy :)

Tara

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>
>You want FDK?  How about this.
>
>MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
>MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
>MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
>MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
>MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
>MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!  MORE!
>
>Is that enough or am I nagging?

note the new eddress
starkitty__@hotmail.com   Don't ask why I switched.

Lois leaned against her husband for the support he offered.  "Are you saying
that everything--Perry, Jimmy, the Planet, Metropolis--our whole lives--has
been a simulation?"---exerpt of Legacy, coming soon to a msg board near you.

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In a message dated 3/20/00 1:37:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
starkitty__@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Yeah, I saw that too.  Cool, isn't it? :) >>

YEA I saw that :-) Dean looked really cool!!!!!!!!!!! Er..Uhm..I mean HOT!
LoL, Sorry I'm tired.
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Hi!

    This is Erin..ehem..I mean LOIS LANE, star investigative reporter for
the
Daily Planet!  Like many others, I am attending the Kerth Awards with my
partner (and VERY sexy boyfriend), Clark Kent.  I would really like to
interview some of the nominees before the show.  If you are interested, drop
me a line at my friends e-mail, erinfolc@aol.com ;-)

    Off to the fudge shop now.  My craving calls..

    Lois Lane

    aka ErinFoLC
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Erin wrote, among other things:

> Wendy, Hazel and crew for their
>terrific fanfic quizzes,

*Research*, Erin, research. Ulterior motives count, ya know. ;)

I'm delighted that my little efforts helped in any way, but I know that you
and Kathy and Pam and Lauren and Genevieve and everyone else are doing the
*real* work... and believe me, it is deeply appreciated by all of us!

Hazel

(who notes that Erin reported that 218 people voted, while over 1000 people
added their tally to the survey at the main archives that they had "a lot
of reading to do..." Guess they didn't do it. ;p)
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Subject:      New-7 Days of Superman Part 6 at last!
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Ding Dong the Kerths are done!
(well at least the voting part is.)
So to celebrate here is part six, just a little early.
Part 7 will be out on it's regularly scheduled time of
Friday March 31

ENJOY

Title:Seven Days of Superman

Author/pseudonym:Mr. D8A

Fandom:Seven Days/Lois & Clark:The New Adventures of
Superman

Paring:

Rating:PG-13

Status: PART 6

Archive: Yes

E-mail address for feedback:mr_d8a@yahoo.com

FEEDBACK:Any and all FDK is welcome. The Good :), the
Bad :(, and the Ugly :p.

Series/Sequel: 7 Days/l&c:tTNAOS Crossover

Other websites:BACKGROUND INFORMATION.SEVEN DAYS
(Details supplied by
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/9329/SevenDays

Disclaimers: Lois and Clark and the rest of the show's
entourage are the property of DC, Warner, ABC, and
Joanne Siegel and Laura Siegel Larson.  Seven Days is
the property of UPN.

Notes: This story, in no way, links in with Mr. D8a's
and Elisabeth's Lois and Clark universe.  This is
purely the creation of Mr. D8a's mind...so beware!
(Okay there is some dialog help from Elisabeth)

Summary:Superman fails to stop the nuking of
Washington DC and gets some help from Frank B. Parker
from Operation Backstep.

+++++++++++++++++++++++
Friday, October 8, 1999
4:59pm MST/2:59pm EST
+++++++++++++++++++++++

~NNL~

Donovan turned on the TV.  A series of messages were
being displayed on a psychedelic screen.  In the upper
left hand column was a timer counting down.  It
currently was at 58 seconds.  The words and time were
easy enough to read if you could ignore the dancing
colors in the background.

Olga was the first to find her voice.  She read the
first part of the message.  "…you will experience for
yourselves the…"

~SL~

"…truth,"  Lois turned to Dr. Klein with a questioning
look.

He returned an equally blank look and threw in a
shoulder shrug for good measure.

~NNL~

"…and the truth will…"

Talmadge turned toward Frank "Sounds faintly familiar.
 Do you know the source Frank?"

"It's a paraphrase of John 8:32, from Eugene H.
Peterson's THE MESSAGE.  The King James Version states
it as '…ye shall know the truth.  And the truth will
set you free.'  Wait there's more."

~SL~

"…really tick you off.'  Really tick you off!  What
kind of message is that!"

Dr. Klein pointed to the upper corner.  "Look the
counter has five seconds to go.  Four.  Three."

~NNL~

"Two.  One.  Zero."  The screen went black and was
immediately replaced by the image of a well-dressed
man in his mid-to-late thirties contemplating his
watch.  Slowly he looked up and stated "My name is
Tem…"

~SL~

"…PUS!  It's Tempus!.  I should have known that that
no good, ego-centric, psychopath was behind this!"
Lois lifted her head to the heavens and shouted, "Mr.
Wells!  Where are you!"

Dr. Klein looked at Lois like she had grown a second
head.  All the while Tempus continued talking.

"…without further adieu I give you the mastermind
behind the demise of Superbore,  Tempus!"  The camera
pulled back and showed Tempus looking at the blank
space next to him.

~NNL~

"I think that guy is one French fry short of a Happy
Meal if you ask me."

Frank couldn't help but grin at Ramsey's statement.
**You can always count on Ramsey to turn a colorful
phrase.**

But in the next moment no body was laughing.  The
sound of a hundred angry vacuum cleaners spilled forth
from the speakers in the room.  In the empty space
next to Tempus a small brass colored disc appeared in
mid air.  It rapidly expanded into a squarish yet
octagonal, metallic wall that had four triangular
panels whose points met in the middle to form a curvy
'X' in the middle.  It immediately opened, a ghostly
blue-white light emanated from the edges of the panels
as they pulled back into the sides of the 'wall' like
something out of Star Trek.  In the center of the
leftover metal ring was a shimmering veil of energy.
It was completely transparent in the center with
floating dark spots around the edges.  A man was
visible on the other side of the veil.  When he walked
through it, it sounded like he was passing through a
pool of water.  It was Tempus!  Just before stepping
through he turned around and stuck his head back
through the veil for just a moment, raising one hand
in the air as if waving goodbye.  He then proceeded
straight through the ripples of energy.  As soon as he
stepped through a blinding blue-white flare of light
issued out of the portal as the four panels closed in
on themselves.  Upon connecting with each other, the
portal closed in on itself moving toward the upper
left of the screen, about even with the top, right
side of the second Tempus' head.  It collapsed into a
small ball of light that became a small silver
metallic object roughly the size of a man's palm.
Even before it had completely coalesced, the second
Tempus was reaching back to catch it as it fell.  He
slipped it into his pocket and turned to face the
cameras.  The smile that grew on his face showed that
he was not to be trusted.

The first Tempus wasted no time.  "So, Tempus, tell
all the kiddies in TV land how you were able to pull
off this amazing feat of brilliance and daring."

~SL~

At the mention of kiddies Ivan turned his attention to
the TV screen.  “Who’s that Mommy?”

“He’s a very, VERY bad man, sweetheart.  Just ignore
him.  He’s really just making fun of  the adults that
are watching.  Go back and play with your Pagimon
doll, Tara-a-Chu.”

“Okay Mommy.”

“Boy Lois, this guy is full of himself.  Are you
listening to this?”

“…what an apt description of my feat.  It was all
quite simple really.  It's a tried and true ploy that
gets the good guy every time.  Cunning villain
threatens mass destruction of a city.  Thickheaded
hero comes and tries to stop the weapon.  Thickheaded
hero gets vaporized by well-placed chunk of Kryptonite
that the cunning villain places in with the
fissionable material.  In fact let's go to the close
up of the momentous occasion."

At this point the screen is replaced with a remarkably
clear video of Superman chasing after the missile.
Tempus' voice can still be heard in the background.

Lois took a sharp intake of breath at the sight of her
now dead husband.  Dr. Klein put his are around Lois’
shoulder.

“Superman!  You said that Daddy was really Superman
and that he was dead!”

Lois put on the best pokerfaced look she had.  “Yes
sweetheart, Daddy was Superman and…and he is dead.
But, remember what Daddy said about TV?  This is like
one of your videotapes.  This is only a recording of
Daddy.  Daddy, Daddy is no longer with us.  Come here
baby, and let Mommy hold you.”

Tempus continued brightly in the background.  "As you
can see Big Blue is still alive and well at this
point.  But as you can see he’s getting closer.  Let’s
have that close-up of the action.”  The view zoomed in
as Superman got closer to the missile.  Just before he
made contact the view stilled.  “Let's advance the
film slowly.”  The film slowed to a crawl, showing
Superman taking hold of the missile.  You could see
the muscles in his upper arms bulge and flex as he
strained to change the missile’s trajectory.

Lois could stand the strain no longer.  Even though
she knew it was useless she cried out at the screen
“CLARK!  GET AWAY FROM THERE!”  At this Lois turned
Ivan’s head away from the screen so that he could not
see what was about to happen.

“The missile was programmed to explode if it deviated
from it’s own course.  Normally this would not effect
Mr. Goody-Two-Shoes but I was a step ahead of him.  As
the explosives slam the fissionable material together
it releases a energy so intense that the missile
casing is gone in no time at all thus exposing
history's biggest killjoy to the Kryptonite that is
mixed in with the uranium.  The hybrid
uranium-Kryptonite substance released sufficient
enough radiation to destroy his invulnerability.
THERE!  Do you see the initial wave of energy
enveloping him?  It is at that moment that I, Tempus,
was able to save the world and all futuredom from the
most BORING individual to walk the face of history!"

“I want to SEE!  I want to SEE!”  Ivan squirmed in
Lois’ grasp just in time to see the ball of fire
engulf Washington DC.  “Daddy go boom?”

When Lois didn’t answer right away Dr. Klein nodded in
affirmation,  “Yes, son.  Daddy go boom.”

~NNL~

Talmadge and Mentnor turned away from the screen as
Superman dissolved into oblivion.  Both in their own
heart of hearts wished the hero Godspeed to whatever
afterlife awaited him, even though they knew that they
were going to do everything in their power to undo
this wrong.

Olga covered her face and sobbed.  **NO!  NO!  This is
not fair.  He is such a good man.  He deserves more
than this.  He was the hope for the hopeless.  We must
not let this happen.  I will not let this happen.**

Frank and Donavon just stared at the screen in
disbelief.  It was one thing to know someone was dead.
 It was quite another to witness it for yourself.  The
two turned to each other and they knew what the other
was thinking.  **No matter what it takes this is going
to be undone.**

No one even heard Ramsey whisper silent thanks that it
was quick and painless.  Even though he thought the
world would be better off without Superman, no man
deserved to die that way.

Doctor Ballard eyes where the size of his glasses.  “I
don’t believe it.”

Talmadge started to speak.  “I know it hard to believe
John, but he’s go…”

“No.  No!  I mean I don’t believe this is real
footage.”

Everyone turned toward Dr. Ballard.

“The image quality is beyond anything that we have,
short of a satellite.  And the angle is wrong for that
kind of surveillance.  There is no way that he could
have this kind of footage.  We’re talking thousandths
of a nanosecond here.  This must be faked!”

The image fades back to the Tempi.

~SL~

“This Tempus must have access to some pretty covert
technology.  I don’t know of anything that could give
that kind of clarity.”

This sparked Lois’ ire.  “He’s a TIME traveler!  He
pilfers from time any gizmo or gadget he needs.”

“Oh!”

~NNL~

Tempus, always aware of his audience’s short comings,
was glad to explain it to them.  “For those of you
that DON’T know me let’s just say that you should buy
stock in MemoLex.  By the 25th century they make a
dandy imaging system that gives new meaning to ‘is it
live or MemoLex.’  I also popped ahead a few decades
and believe me he’s dead.”

Everyone started talking at once.  “25th century…He’s
a…time traveler…500 years!…Amazing…popped ahead
decades!”

Talmadge brought order to the room.  “People!  People!
 Listen!”

The Tempus on the right had asked his counterpart a
question.  “… your not going to take any chances this
time.  How do you plan to ensure your vision of the
future comes about."

The Tempus on the left leaned back, stared at the
ceiling and closed his eyes.  "Yes, even dead Superman
is a thorn in my side.  In the past I've always
focused on just getting rid of the big, brawny oaf.
But every time Lois Lane has always thwarted my plans,
with a little help from Herb.  Well, I've made sure
that time-traveling do-gooder is out of my hair.  All
that’s left for me to do is get rid of Lois Lane and
their super-brat and my revenge will be complete."

~SL~

“Oh no!  What has he done to Mr. Well’s?”

“Who is this Wells you keep talking about?”

“H.G. Wells, the author!  It’s a long story, remind me
to tell you sometime.”

Dr. Klein opened his mouth only to close it again and
shook his head.  **I don’t want to know.  I don’t want
to know.  I will be happier if I don’t know.**

“Super-BRAT!  He knows!  He knows I’m pregnant!  Well
if that time-tripping-twit thinks I’m just going to
rollover and die he has another think coming!”

While the hormones raged on inside her mind, her
glucose levels dropped and hard.  She quickly put Ivan
down and ran out the door to the nearest bathroom,
retching horribly, with a worried Dr. Klein on her
heels.  They both missed completely what Tempus said
next.  Had they heard they would have known that there
were bigger problems ahead.

To be continued

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Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:16:17 -0500
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From: "Wendy Richards" <w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>

> And thank you, Erin, for your terrific Kerth site, all your
> hard work in organising everyone else, running the ballot,
> counting the votes, chivvying us all to nominate and vote,
> and everything else you did and are doing... while at the
> same time getting ready to have a baby!!  Three enormous
> cheers for Erin!

I agree!  Fabulous job, to all those who worked so hard to get everything
organized, so that we, the readers, could have such an easy task finding the
stories as well as voting!

> (wondering whether this year's ceremony will also have a
> co-ordinator disappearing part-way through due to
> early labour symptoms!)

Heavens! LOL

KathR
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Weird subject, I know, but in the interest of saving bandwidth...

First of all, I have been idly searching through the list archives of late
in my frustrating search for an excellent fic that I read *somewhere* but
cannot locate. (I asked about it on the list a few weeks back, but no one
seems to remember it: a rewrite of ATAI, in which Clark calls the cops and
reports the Kents' kidnapping and "steals" the diamonds with the owner's
blessing.) I've been using various keywords in my search, and I happened to
stumble across some very entertaining threads -- the original posts that
inspired the Kerth awards! (Buffy fic awards. <snork>) If anyone would be
interested in reading this, check out week 4 of January 1998 on the
archives. I personally found it highly entertaining. :)

(no, i don't have the URL bookmarked, but if you type listserv.indiana.edu
into your Netscape browser, it finds it for you. Then it's just a matter of
clicking onto the archives page and scrolling down to loiscla.)

Second, and the real reason for posting in the first place: Margaret
Brignell and I have been discussing various eps and why they don't seem to
have inspired much fic (can you say "The Prankster"? I knew you can!), and
"Never on Sunday" was one of those eps. AFAIK, there was an IRC RR with
Baron Sunday in there, but that's about it. I asked *why* that ep was so
uninspiring, and Margaret (going well beyond the call of duty :) ) sat
down, watched it, and gave me a sypnosis.

So the question is even stronger now, because it sounds like it was a
really strong WAFFy story. (So *that's* where that snip of Clark as Sman
kissing Lois' engagement ring and then looking up at her comes from...)
Clark overcoming his fears and realizing all over again the love his
parents had for him when they sent him to Earth; Lois giving him her
engagement ring as a talisman to give him strength; the ending with Lois
and Clark in candlelight. Really, what's not to like? The idea of someone
being after *Clark* instead of Lois or Sman for a change? The humor of
Ellen and Beverly taking over the wedding? Clark and his wistful hope for
those little hot dogs? :)

I concede that there may be people out there who don't like the idea of
voodoo. Hey, I don't believe it in either, but I also don't believe that
people can fly, that angels can marry people, or in soulmates bebopping
through time. ;) So I'm curious to know: why don't you like "Never on
Sunday"?

Hazel
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James, I liked this revision of the original. Nice sci-fi additions, and
the switchover from one POV to the other worked cleanly. I would suggest,
though, typing out "Star Labs" instead of SL -- it's less confusing to the
audience.

Oh, and this little bit:

> "Go back and play with your Pagimon
>doll, Tara-a-Chu.”

Ow! Ow!

...And a "Lexachu!" to you too. :) :)

Hazel

(who likes cameos that don't distract)
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In a message dated 3/20/00 12:02:00 PM EST, erink@IDA.NET writes:

<< I hope to see everyone there this Saturday!  Thanks again!

 Erin  :) >>

Ackkk!!! Can someone please tell me what time they are at again. I need to
get there early to do some stuff...so i really need to know! ;)

Thanks,
Alexis ;-.)

"Lois Lane, Clark Kent."  Perry, (LnC), THE PILOT.
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Hi honey!!!...

This is Clark Kent...just like Lois my parnter...and girlfriend <G>  I will
be looking for people to interview.  I'm going to be there a half an hour
early so please email my friend at LoisLane9397@aol.com   (weird huh?  My
friend really admires Lois! LOL!) if you are interested in talking to me.

Thanks,
Clark Kent
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Ivan is now a 4 year old instead of a 2 year old.

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Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:10:06 -0500
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From:         Wendy Richards <wendy@KINGSMEADOWCR.FREESERVE.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Combo post: Kerth award history and Baron Sunday :)

On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:38:29 -0500, Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL> wrote:

>First of all, I have been idly searching through the list archives of late
>in my frustrating search for an excellent fic that I read *somewhere* but
>cannot locate. [snip] a rewrite of ATAI, in which Clark calls the cops and
>reports the Kents' kidnapping and "steals" the diamonds with the owner's
>blessing.)

Sounds like Nan's ATAI rewrite. Can't remember the title (could it be 'The
Way It Should Have Happened'?) It should be on the Archive by now.

>I concede that there may be people out there who don't like the idea of
>voodoo. Hey, I don't believe it in either, but I also don't believe that
>people can fly, that angels can marry people, or in soulmates bebopping
>through time. ;) So I'm curious to know: why don't you like "Never on
> Sunday"?

Okay, I'll bite. I *hate* NoS. Mainly because I can't stand Baron Sunday
(and I don't think I'm too unusual in that; I have noticed there aren't
many fics with him as villain). It's partly also because I don't like
stories based on the occult in any form, no matter whether they're L&C or
any other genre (that's also why I'm no fan of Star and I was happy when
they ditched her).

As for the thing with Lois's engagement ring, none of that ever made any
sense to me. *Why* did she take it off and put it in Clark's pocket in the
first place? What was it supposed to do? And when it fell on the ground,
what was the significance of that? Okay, Clark then found it, but that was
all too coincidental - and was simply looking at the ring supposed to
remind him of who he was or break the spell? That was completely
unconvincing.

Course, the added ingredients of Ellen and the wedding co-ordinator were
also irritants I could have done without. Think 'Father of the Bride,'
condensed, only worse.  :P~~~

So there you are, Hazel; you asked, you got!

Wendy
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Carol:  The change in point of view seemed very natural to me.  It
actually surprised me that you asked.  I'm surprised that Jesse didn't see
more of the connection between Lois and Clark.  I liked her curiousity
though.

Hip, Hip, HOORAY! for all those who are working on the Kerths.  It's a
huge undertaking and you've done an impressive job so far.

Gerry
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In a message dated 3/20/00 5:05:08 PM EST, LoisLane9397@AOL.COM writes:

<< This is Clark Kent...just like Lois my parnter...and girlfriend <G>  >>

Gosh I hate in when I'm in such a hurry and I can't spell correctly!
parnter=partner...sheesh!

Clark
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Alexis wrote:

><< I hope to see everyone there this Saturday!  Thanks again!
>
> Erin  :) >>
>
>Ackkk!!! Can someone please tell me what time they are at again. I need to
>get there early to do some stuff...so i really need to know! ;)
>
>Thanks,
>Alexis ;-.)

Alexis, did you bother to read the rest of the email that you snipped to
copy
and paste this?  Read again, *especially* the last sentence:

>>Remember, plan to come to the Kerth Awards ceremony this coming Saturday,
March 25th on IRC on #kerthawards, and make sure to camp out in #kerthchat,
as
well, to talk with everyone while the ceremony is going on.  It's always a
ton
of fun!  For more information on the ceremony, go to:
www.ida.net/users/davek/kerth_ceremony.html  <<

Erin
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Wendy suggested:

>>First of all, I have been idly searching through the list archives of late
>>in my frustrating search for an excellent fic that I read *somewhere* but
>>cannot locate. [snip] a rewrite of ATAI, in which Clark calls the cops and
>>reports the Kents' kidnapping and "steals" the diamonds with the owner's
>>blessing.)
>
>
>Sounds like Nan's ATAI rewrite. Can't remember the title (could it be 'The
>Way It Should Have Happened'?) It should be on the Archive by now.

No, no, it isn't. In fact, seeing Nan's story in the Kerth quiz was what
reminded me of the story. Nan has Lois in on the secret; in the fic I'm
searching for, I don't think Lois finds out CK = S (not 'till after the
"theft," anyway.) There *is* no theft in this fic. The owner is consulted
and gives Clark all the alarms, etc. -- as well as some cz to take in lieu
of the diamonds. ;)

<snip all NoS bits>

Maybe it was worse on screen than it was on computer screen. :) The
diamonds ring, according to what Margaret wrote me, was sposed to be the
talisman that Star recommended (I admit Star got on my nerves too... what
about Mxy, Wendy? He was also magic.) in order to break the false vision
and replace it with reality. Or some such.

Hazel

(who somehow, someday, will actually see an ep -- and who blames Tank for
getting her into the habit of concluding posts with parentheses ;p)
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Wendy Richards wrote:
>
>
> If you mean a patron saint, whether or not a country has a
> patron saint has nothing to do with whether or
> not one is Catholic! It's a national and not a
> denominational issue.
>

Probably not over here.  I can pretty much guarantee that the Congress
of the United States has never declared a patron saint for the United
States...separation of Church and State and all that.  That doesn't mean
that people who *want* a patron saint wouldn't select one.

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According to <http://saints.catholic.org/patron.html>, a Patron Saint is
defined as:

Patron saints are chosen as special protectors or guardians over areas
of life. These areas can include occupations, illnesses, churches,
countries, causes -- anything that is important to us. The earliest
records show that people and churches were named after apostles and
martyrs as early as the fourth century. Recently, the popes have named
patron saints but patrons can be chosen by other individuals or groups
as well.

Patron saints are often chosen today because an interest, talent, or
event in their lives overlaps with the special area. For example,
Francis of Assisi loved nature and so he is patron of ecologists.
Francis de Sales was a writer and so he is patron of journalists and
writers. Clare of Assisi was named patron of television because one
Christmas when she was too ill to leave her bed she saw and heard
Christmas Mass -- even though it was taking place miles away. Angels can
also be named as patron saints.

============

This site lists patron saints for just about everything.  Patrick shares
Ireland with St. Columba and St. Bridgid.  Good heavens!  St. Genevieve
is the patron saint of Security Forces, French; I'd thought she was the
patron saint of Paris.   Back up here, let's look up Paris.  Oh, she's
got Paris too, but she shares that with St. Denis.  (Whoever he was!)
There's a proposed patron saint for Internet users...St. Isidore of
Seville (c560-636 CE) Biography of Isidore and "Prayer before logging
onto the Internet" available at <http://www.catholic.org/isidore/>

Let's see.  The "patron saint" of the United States is the Immaculate
Conception of Mary.  Wait a minute.  That's a doctrine, not a saint.
<click>  Ah, now looking up the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception,
it says that "Mary, under her title of Immaculate Conception, is the
patron saint of the United States."  (It was Saint Bernadette, in 1858,
in Lourdes, who saw a vision of Mary, and asked "Who are you"  Mary
answered "I am the Immaculate Conception."  Just in case you were
wondering where she got uch a strange title.)

Obligatory L&C reference...There is no patron saint for Superheros
(anyone got any ideas?)
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<mailto:NightSky@erols.com> <http://users.erols.com/nightsky/>

The World Wide Web has made it possible for anyone to find in five
hours what a competent librarian can find in five minutes. :-)
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In a message dated 3/20/00 7:07:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
nightsky@EROLS.COM writes:

<< ick shares
 Ireland with St. Columba and St. Bridgid.  Good heavens!  St. Genevieve
 is the patron saint of Security Forces, French; I'd thought she was the
 patron saint of Paris.   Back up here, let's look up Paris.  Oh, she's
 got Paris too, but she shares that with St. Denis.  (Whoever he was!) >>

St. Denis was the first bishop of Paris.  He was martyred with some of
his=20
followers on the hill now known as Montmartre.  (site of the Basilica of =20
Sacr=E9 Coeur  and lots of artists)  He was beheaded, picked up his head,=20
walked down the hill, and made it as far as the gate in the city wall.
That=
=20
location is now known as Porte St. Denis on the m=E9tro. (subway stop)
For=20
this reason, in France he is generally depicted with his head in his hand=20
instead of on top of his neck.  There is a statue of him around the front=20
door of Notre Dame.

St. Genevieve stopped Attila the Hun from attacking Paris.  So they are
both=
=20
pretty big deals in Paris.

I believe patron saints are assigned by somebody in the Vatican.

Ann
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Gotta jump in on this thread; I can't let 16 years of Catholic
education go to waste <g>

Genevieve wrote:
> Let's see.  The "patron saint" of the United States is the
Immaculate
> Conception of Mary.  Wait a minute.  That's a doctrine, not a saint.
> <click>  Ah, now looking up the doctrine of the Immaculate
Conception,
> it says that "Mary, under her title of Immaculate Conception, is the
> patron saint of the United States."

And for an odd little L&C (sorta) tie-in, December 8th, the Feast of
the Immaculate Conception, is also Teri Hatcher's birthday.

> Obligatory L&C reference...There is no patron saint for Superheros
> (anyone got any ideas?)

Let's give it to St. Michael--he's already got policemen and firemen,
(I think) occupations that share some similarities with Superheros,
and since he's an angel, he flies, too ;)

Pat
(thanks for those links, Genevieve :)  I'm going to share
them with a friend who's been looking for just that information)

peabody@mcs.com
pattijean@aol.com
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Hazel wrote:
>Lois giving him her
>engagement ring as a talisman to give him strength;

I didn't like this part either. I thought it was rash of Lois to put her
engagement ring in Clark's jacket pocket. What if there was a hole? What if
it
fell out and was never found? She probably thought she was doing something
helpful, but (admittedly as someone who didn't like the whole voodoo plot)
it
seemed like grasping at straws.

>The idea of someone
>being after *Clark* instead of Lois or Sman for a change?

I liked this aspect, especially since it gave us a little of Clark's
background. Come to think of it, I'm a little surprised no one who's written
fic about Clark's travels hasn't encorporated this background (unless they
did
and I forgot ;) Another thing I liked about the episode (at least I think it
was this one- it's a little fuzzy) is when Ellen corrects Clark. I think it
was hinting that he should put his napkin on his lap. Can anyone confirm
this?

>The humor of
>Ellen and Beverly taking over the wedding? Clark and his wistful hope for
>those little hot dogs? :)

I didn't like the wedding planning bits either. I couldn't figure out
whether
Lois did or did not want a big wedding. In my vision of Lois, she wouldn't
want the wedding but might let her mother get carried away. But Ellen
presents
the idea of Lois as a little girl playing bride and if I remember correctly
(it's been a while since I've seen this ep) Lois seems not to be opposed to
a
big wedding. I also didn't like how Clark was acting, like a stereotypical
male, wanting hot dogs of all things, at his wedding. The episode presents a
poor picture of Clark as a "typical guy"- commitment-phobic and willing to
dump the wedding plans off on the women. If this was supposed to be a joke,
I
don't think it was funny.

>(who somehow, someday, will actually see an ep

Hazel, I was just wondering- is your not having seen an episode a conscious
choice, or is something preventing you from seeing the show?

Christy
kubitc@kenyon.edu

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In a message dated 3/20/00 4:39:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes:

<< So I'm curious to know: why don't you like "Never on Sunday"? >>

Actually, I've always liked that episode.  I think it was one of the first
ones I ever saw, and the relationship between Lois and Clark was so evident
and so romantic.  I didn't like the part where Baron Sunday made Jimmy think
he was naked at school because I have never thought public humiliation was
amusing, even if it's only in someone's imagination.

OTH, I thought it was really interesting the way he was going after Clark,
not Superman, because of the incident in the past.  I also thought  it was
interesting that
the major fear Clark had had to do with being put in the capsule as a baby.
I agree with Kristy that it was dumb of Lois to put her engagement ring in
his pocket as a talisman. Since he had been there when Star said to hang on
to something like that, Lois should have said, "Here, honey, hold on to my
ring."  However, we wouldn't have been able to see it fall out, and then
Clark see it on the ground and crawl over to it -- a much more dramatic
scene.

Unlike Kristy, I thought the wedding plans were hilarious.  I could just see
Ellen and Beverly going overboard.  Lois seemed to be willing to do whatever
whoever was talking wanted.  I'm not sure that she was really all that
interested in the details.  I think that she would have been just as happy
to
go to a justice of the peace.  She just wanted to get married.  Clark and
his
mini hot dogs was cute.  I think we need to remember here, that even though
Clark has traveled the world, he's still basically a farm boy from Kansas.
Mini hot dogs would be much more likely to show up on a menu in Smallville
than shitake mushrooms.

Anyway, I like the episode.  I don't know why there aren't more fanfics
based
on it.  I think there is another fanfic with Baron Sunday besides the IRC
round robin one, but I forget the title.  Lois and Clark are on Caribbean
island somewhere.

Ann
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Well, that is so sweet.  It only applies to Catholics.  </me shrugs>
Doesn't bother me.  I'm agnostic anyway. :)

Tara

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>Tara,
>If your not Catholic then you don't have one.
>
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I remember a little while ago there was a question posted on the list about
things that are actually from Lois and Clark, and what has become canonical
because of what's been written in fanfiction.  The idea of Clark recognizing
Lois by the sound of her heartbeat has been in several fanfics, but was it
ever presented in the show?  There are some things about LnC that I've
accepted simply because it occurred so often in stories!  Now I can no
longer
remember if these things are from stories or the show itself!  Thanks!

Rose (who knows she's babbling a bit, and hopes this post makes sense)
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As I said on the msg board, This is great!  I can't wait for part 7!

Tara (the newest Pagimon--hey, what's my power? <bg>)

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>
>Ding Dong the Kerths are done!
>(well at least the voting part is.)
>So to celebrate here is part six, just a little early.
>Part 7 will be out on it's regularly scheduled time of
>Friday March 31
>
>ENJOY
>
>Title:Seven Days of Superman
>
>Author/pseudonym:Mr. D8A
>
>Fandom:Seven Days/Lois & Clark:The New Adventures of
>Superman
>
>Paring:
>
>Rating:PG-13
>
>Status: PART 6
>
>Archive: Yes
>
>E-mail address for feedback:mr_d8a@yahoo.com
>
>FEEDBACK:Any and all FDK is welcome. The Good :), the
>Bad :(, and the Ugly :p.
>
>Series/Sequel: 7 Days/l&c:tTNAOS Crossover
>
>Other websites:BACKGROUND INFORMATION.SEVEN DAYS
>(Details supplied by
>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/9329/SevenDays
>
>Disclaimers: Lois and Clark and the rest of the show's
>entourage are the property of DC, Warner, ABC, and
>Joanne Siegel and Laura Siegel Larson.  Seven Days is
>the property of UPN.
>
>Notes: This story, in no way, links in with Mr. D8a's
>and Elisabeth's Lois and Clark universe.  This is
>purely the creation of Mr. D8a's mind...so beware!
>(Okay there is some dialog help from Elisabeth)
>
>Summary:Superman fails to stop the nuking of
>Washington DC and gets some help from Frank B. Parker
>from Operation Backstep.
>
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++
>Friday, October 8, 1999
>4:59pm MST/2:59pm EST
>+++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>~NNL~
>
>Donovan turned on the TV.  A series of messages were
>being displayed on a psychedelic screen.  In the upper
>left hand column was a timer counting down.  It
>currently was at 58 seconds.  The words and time were
>easy enough to read if you could ignore the dancing
>colors in the background.
>
>Olga was the first to find her voice.  She read the
>first part of the message.  "…you will experience for
>yourselves the…"
>
>~SL~
>
>"…truth,"  Lois turned to Dr. Klein with a questioning
>look.
>
>He returned an equally blank look and threw in a
>shoulder shrug for good measure.
>
>~NNL~
>
>"…and the truth will…"
>
>Talmadge turned toward Frank "Sounds faintly familiar.
>  Do you know the source Frank?"
>
>"It's a paraphrase of John 8:32, from Eugene H.
>Peterson's THE MESSAGE.  The King James Version states
>it as '…ye shall know the truth.  And the truth will
>set you free.'  Wait there's more."
>
>~SL~
>
>"…really tick you off.'  Really tick you off!  What
>kind of message is that!"
>
>Dr. Klein pointed to the upper corner.  "Look the
>counter has five seconds to go.  Four.  Three."
>
>~NNL~
>
>"Two.  One.  Zero."  The screen went black and was
>immediately replaced by the image of a well-dressed
>man in his mid-to-late thirties contemplating his
>watch.  Slowly he looked up and stated "My name is
>Tem…"
>
>~SL~
>
>"…PUS!  It's Tempus!.  I should have known that that
>no good, ego-centric, psychopath was behind this!"
>Lois lifted her head to the heavens and shouted, "Mr.
>Wells!  Where are you!"
>
>Dr. Klein looked at Lois like she had grown a second
>head.  All the while Tempus continued talking.
>
>"…without further adieu I give you the mastermind
>behind the demise of Superbore,  Tempus!"  The camera
>pulled back and showed Tempus looking at the blank
>space next to him.
>
>~NNL~
>
>"I think that guy is one French fry short of a Happy
>Meal if you ask me."
>
>Frank couldn't help but grin at Ramsey's statement.
>**You can always count on Ramsey to turn a colorful
>phrase.**
>
>But in the next moment no body was laughing.  The
>sound of a hundred angry vacuum cleaners spilled forth
>from the speakers in the room.  In the empty space
>next to Tempus a small brass colored disc appeared in
>mid air.  It rapidly expanded into a squarish yet
>octagonal, metallic wall that had four triangular
>panels whose points met in the middle to form a curvy
>'X' in the middle.  It immediately opened, a ghostly
>blue-white light emanated from the edges of the panels
>as they pulled back into the sides of the 'wall' like
>something out of Star Trek.  In the center of the
>leftover metal ring was a shimmering veil of energy.
>It was completely transparent in the center with
>floating dark spots around the edges.  A man was
>visible on the other side of the veil.  When he walked
>through it, it sounded like he was passing through a
>pool of water.  It was Tempus!  Just before stepping
>through he turned around and stuck his head back
>through the veil for just a moment, raising one hand
>in the air as if waving goodbye.  He then proceeded
>straight through the ripples of energy.  As soon as he
>stepped through a blinding blue-white flare of light
>issued out of the portal as the four panels closed in
>on themselves.  Upon connecting with each other, the
>portal closed in on itself moving toward the upper
>left of the screen, about even with the top, right
>side of the second Tempus' head.  It collapsed into a
>small ball of light that became a small silver
>metallic object roughly the size of a man's palm.
>Even before it had completely coalesced, the second
>Tempus was reaching back to catch it as it fell.  He
>slipped it into his pocket and turned to face the
>cameras.  The smile that grew on his face showed that
>he was not to be trusted.
>
>The first Tempus wasted no time.  "So, Tempus, tell
>all the kiddies in TV land how you were able to pull
>off this amazing feat of brilliance and daring."
>
>~SL~
>
>At the mention of kiddies Ivan turned his attention to
>the TV screen.  “Who’s that Mommy?”
>
>“He’s a very, VERY bad man, sweetheart.  Just ignore
>him.  He’s really just making fun of  the adults that
>are watching.  Go back and play with your Pagimon
>doll, Tara-a-Chu.”
>
>“Okay Mommy.”
>
>“Boy Lois, this guy is full of himself.  Are you
>listening to this?”
>
>“…what an apt description of my feat.  It was all
>quite simple really.  It's a tried and true ploy that
>gets the good guy every time.  Cunning villain
>threatens mass destruction of a city.  Thickheaded
>hero comes and tries to stop the weapon.  Thickheaded
>hero gets vaporized by well-placed chunk of Kryptonite
>that the cunning villain places in with the
>fissionable material.  In fact let's go to the close
>up of the momentous occasion."
>
>At this point the screen is replaced with a remarkably
>clear video of Superman chasing after the missile.
>Tempus' voice can still be heard in the background.
>
>Lois took a sharp intake of breath at the sight of her
>now dead husband.  Dr. Klein put his are around Lois’
>shoulder.
>
>“Superman!  You said that Daddy was really Superman
>and that he was dead!”
>
>Lois put on the best pokerfaced look she had.  “Yes
>sweetheart, Daddy was Superman and…and he is dead.
>But, remember what Daddy said about TV?  This is like
>one of your videotapes.  This is only a recording of
>Daddy.  Daddy, Daddy is no longer with us.  Come here
>baby, and let Mommy hold you.”
>
>Tempus continued brightly in the background.  "As you
>can see Big Blue is still alive and well at this
>point.  But as you can see he’s getting closer.  Let’s
>have that close-up of the action.”  The view zoomed in
>as Superman got closer to the missile.  Just before he
>made contact the view stilled.  “Let's advance the
>film slowly.”  The film slowed to a crawl, showing
>Superman taking hold of the missile.  You could see
>the muscles in his upper arms bulge and flex as he
>strained to change the missile’s trajectory.
>
>Lois could stand the strain no longer.  Even though
>she knew it was useless she cried out at the screen
>“CLARK!  GET AWAY FROM THERE!”  At this Lois turned
>Ivan’s head away from the screen so that he could not
>see what was about to happen.
>
>“The missile was programmed to explode if it deviated
>from it’s own course.  Normally this would not effect
>Mr. Goody-Two-Shoes but I was a step ahead of him.  As
>the explosives slam the fissionable material together
>it releases a energy so intense that the missile
>casing is gone in no time at all thus exposing
>history's biggest killjoy to the Kryptonite that is
>mixed in with the uranium.  The hybrid
>uranium-Kryptonite substance released sufficient
>enough radiation to destroy his invulnerability.
>THERE!  Do you see the initial wave of energy
>enveloping him?  It is at that moment that I, Tempus,
>was able to save the world and all futuredom from the
>most BORING individual to walk the face of history!"
>
>“I want to SEE!  I want to SEE!”  Ivan squirmed in
>Lois’ grasp just in time to see the ball of fire
>engulf Washington DC.  “Daddy go boom?”
>
>When Lois didn’t answer right away Dr. Klein nodded in
>affirmation,  “Yes, son.  Daddy go boom.”
>
>~NNL~
>
>Talmadge and Mentnor turned away from the screen as
>Superman dissolved into oblivion.  Both in their own
>heart of hearts wished the hero Godspeed to whatever
>afterlife awaited him, even though they knew that they
>were going to do everything in their power to undo
>this wrong.
>
>Olga covered her face and sobbed.  **NO!  NO!  This is
>not fair.  He is such a good man.  He deserves more
>than this.  He was the hope for the hopeless.  We must
>not let this happen.  I will not let this happen.**
>
>Frank and Donavon just stared at the screen in
>disbelief.  It was one thing to know someone was dead.
>  It was quite another to witness it for yourself.  The
>two turned to each other and they knew what the other
>was thinking.  **No matter what it takes this is going
>to be undone.**
>
>No one even heard Ramsey whisper silent thanks that it
>was quick and painless.  Even though he thought the
>world would be better off without Superman, no man
>deserved to die that way.
>
>Doctor Ballard eyes where the size of his glasses.  “I
>don’t believe it.”
>
>Talmadge started to speak.  “I know it hard to believe
>John, but he’s go…”
>
>“No.  No!  I mean I don’t believe this is real
>footage.”
>
>Everyone turned toward Dr. Ballard.
>
>“The image quality is beyond anything that we have,
>short of a satellite.  And the angle is wrong for that
>kind of surveillance.  There is no way that he could
>have this kind of footage.  We’re talking thousandths
>of a nanosecond here.  This must be faked!”
>
>The image fades back to the Tempi.
>
>~SL~
>
>“This Tempus must have access to some pretty covert
>technology.  I don’t know of anything that could give
>that kind of clarity.”
>
>This sparked Lois’ ire.  “He’s a TIME traveler!  He
>pilfers from time any gizmo or gadget he needs.”
>
>“Oh!”
>
>~NNL~
>
>Tempus, always aware of his audience’s short comings,
>was glad to explain it to them.  “For those of you
>that DON’T know me let’s just say that you should buy
>stock in MemoLex.  By the 25th century they make a
>dandy imaging system that gives new meaning to ‘is it
>live or MemoLex.’  I also popped ahead a few decades
>and believe me he’s dead.”
>
>Everyone started talking at once.  “25th century…He’s
>a…time traveler…500 years!…Amazing…popped ahead
>decades!”
>
>Talmadge brought order to the room.  “People!  People!
>  Listen!”
>
>The Tempus on the right had asked his counterpart a
>question.  “… your not going to take any chances this
>time.  How do you plan to ensure your vision of the
>future comes about."
>
>The Tempus on the left leaned back, stared at the
>ceiling and closed his eyes.  "Yes, even dead Superman
>is a thorn in my side.  In the past I've always
>focused on just getting rid of the big, brawny oaf.
>But every time Lois Lane has always thwarted my plans,
>with a little help from Herb.  Well, I've made sure
>that time-traveling do-gooder is out of my hair.  All
>that’s left for me to do is get rid of Lois Lane and
>their super-brat and my revenge will be complete."
>
>~SL~
>
>“Oh no!  What has he done to Mr. Well’s?”
>
>“Who is this Wells you keep talking about?”
>
>“H.G. Wells, the author!  It’s a long story, remind me
>to tell you sometime.”
>
>Dr. Klein opened his mouth only to close it again and
>shook his head.  **I don’t want to know.  I don’t want
>to know.  I will be happier if I don’t know.**
>
>“Super-BRAT!  He knows!  He knows I’m pregnant!  Well
>if that time-tripping-twit thinks I’m just going to
>rollover and die he has another think coming!”
>
>While the hormones raged on inside her mind, her
>glucose levels dropped and hard.  She quickly put Ivan
>down and ran out the door to the nearest bathroom,
>retching horribly, with a worried Dr. Klein on her
>heels.  They both missed completely what Tempus said
>next.  Had they heard they would have known that there
>were bigger problems ahead.
>
>To be continued
>
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How do I log on to both #kerthawards and #kerthchat at the same time?
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> Remember, plan to come to the Kerth Awards ceremony this coming Saturday,
> March 25th on IRC on #kerthawards, and make sure to camp out in
#kerthchat, as
> well, to talk with everyone while the ceremony is going on.  It's always a
ton
> of fun!  For more information on the ceremony, go to:
> "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they
happen."
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I.  TUFS

> << I think it was about four weeks before Matt finally got that fixed, so
>  if anyone downloaded Full Circle from the TUFS website right away,
>  they'll have the buggy issue. >>
>
> Thanks for the tip Genevieve.  I'll have to check that out, come to think
of
> it though I received it via email from TUFS.  Is that one okay?

You probably didn't receive "Full Circle" via e-mail, even though you
would have got the rest of the TUFS stories that way.  I don't know how
many of you know this, but the Krypton Club (which sponsored TUFS) never
automated their mailing list.  So Craig Byrne mailed out each part of
the TUFS stories over and over again to about forty people each time.
He used to get real nervous nd cranky when the stories started getting
long -- I know Peabody and I were were nervous about the length of our
story, "Paradise Lost", and that's why Jeff Brogdan's excellent story
"Then Came You" was split into a two-parter.  I don't know exactly how
many subscribers Craig had, but I do know that he spent almost all
Sunday afternoon and evening mailing out the stories.

Then came "Full Circle."  TUFS billed that as a "special television
movie"-- and it was long.  Seventeen or eighteen parts, I think.  Craig
balked at e-mailing it out, so instead we sent out the web address, and
people who were unable to get it off the web were supposed to ask me for
a copy via e-mail.  I only sent e-mails out to about ten people.  Most
people got it off the web.  And got the incomplete version.

The final version is available in text at the archives, or on my
website.  There is also a .html version (with italics instead of
asterisks, etc.) at my website.

===========================

II. NEVER ON SUNDAY

Surprisingly enough, I liked Never On Sunday.  OK, the rolling around on
the tarmac was a bit much, and it had a disgusting scene showing a
de-composed corpse (Ziggy), making it one of only two episodes that had
my daughters (then age 6 and 8) running from the room in fear. (BGDF is
the other one -- they couldn't handle Tez.  Tez and Ziggy really scared
them.)

And I usually don't care for the supernatural episodes, and NOS was one
of the first.  We'd seen the druid episode, but Mxy and Ghosts hadn't
happened yet, nor magic stones (IGYUMS), not even pouring souls from one
container to another (or from clone to clone).  Compared to what came
afterwards, NOS seems pretty tame, especially since it tries to tie
itself to reality by invoking voodoo and hypnotism and the power of
suggestion, although we could probably argue over how well they
suceeded.

But for me, the selling point for Never on Sunday was that it had Clark
as the main character.  It was *Clark* that Baron Sunday was out to get,
not Lois or Superman.  We got to see some of Clark's background and we
got to see Clark's youthful mistakes.  It was a rare episode that really
featured Clark Kent.

I think this episode really needs a sequel.  Sunday was still out there,
and still gunning for Clark.  He has a legitimate complaint.  I'd have
like to see Clark make some kind of amends for damages done to Sunday,
and, Sunday forgive him. (Or at least decide to to try to kill him
anymore, forgiveness might be a bit much.)
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What is the Russian/Soviet equivalent of 'Smith?'

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From:         Erin Klingler <erink@IDA.NET>
Subject:      Darkest Hour  (Was:  RE: Yoohoo!  Erin ... ;)
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Genine wrote:
>Okay, okay, I really, *really* hate to continue to be a pest here <g>, but
I
>am just wondering what the current "status report" is on "Darkest Hour."
>Erin?  I know you must be swamped with the votes for the Kerths, so I
really
>don't expect to hear much from you until after Saturday, but still, I can't
>let you forget about your other 'project.'  <vbg>  It's just that it's been
>such a long time since we've seen any installments.  I figured that it's
>about time to resume my shameless begging.  ;)

LOL!  Okay, okay, to prove that shameless begging really *is* effective <g>,
I've finally managed to make some time to finish the next two installments
of
'The Darkest Hour.'  Thanks to all of you who keep begging for more, since
I'd
never get it finished if it weren't for you!  ;)

Keep in mind, these next two installments are VERY hot off the presses, not
even having been beta read yet.  So if I've missed some plot points or
grammar
items, please let me know and I'll get them fixed ASAP.  I just wanted to
rush
these installments off to you guys before I go into labor or something.  <g>
Also, this is my first time writing action scenes, so I'd be happy to take
advice on how to better the action segments.  ;)

Hope you like them!

Erin  :)
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The Darkest Hour (Before the Dawn)
by Erin Klingler
erink@ida.net
part 26

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“Jimmy, what are you doing here at this hour?” Perry asked as he walked out
of
his office with his coat on and briefcase in hand.

Jimmy looked up from his computer tiredly and glanced at his watch,
surprised
to see that it was already nine-thirty.  “The computer guys said they could
use an extra set of eyes to help go through the Planet’s computer system,”
he
told Perry.  “Besides, not many people know the Planet’s systems better than
me.”

Perry nodded and walked over to glance at the computer screen in front of
Jimmy.  “Have you found anything?”

Jimmy sighed.  “Nothing yet.  But there are a lot of java applets and
executables on the system that need searched through.  It could take forever
to find the virus Manny installed.”  He leaned back in his chair and rubbed
a
hand across his eyes tiredly.

“Are you sure you want to stick around here much longer?  You look pretty
tired,” Perry noted.  “Why don’t you go home and get some sleep, and get
back
to this in the morning.”

“No, I’ll be alright.  I don’t have anything to do tonight anyway, so I
might
as well stay and help.”

Perry traded his briefcase to his other hand and shifted his feet.  “I told
Alice I was on my way home, but if you think I can help, I’ll stay.”

Jimmy grinned.  “No, that’s okay, Chief, you go on home.  Unless you
suddenly
became computer literate, there’s not much you could do.”

Perry smiled sheepishly.  “No, I guess there wouldn’t be.  Well, goodnight,
son.  If you guys find anything, let me know.”

“Will do, Chief.”

With a final nod, Perry headed for the elevators, and Jimmy turned back to
his
computer monitor.  Settling back into his chair, he prepared for a long
night
ahead of him.

*****

“So when are you going to give up on this idea that Kent has some details of
an alien invasion to tell you about?” Garrison asked Trask snidely as he
walked out of his computer room and spotted Trask at the end of the hall.

“Maybe he just needs a little more convincing,” Trask growled, reaching into
his pocket and pulling out the chunk of Kryptonite.  With a resounding
‘thunk,
’ he set the glowing rock on the table as if to make his point.  “And if
this
doesn’t work, then I think we need to consider the possibility that they’re
just not going to talk.  And if that’s the case, we’ll simply need to
eliminate them.”

“But then you’ll never find out about this “alien invasion” you think Kent
is
a part of,” Garrison pointed out, his voice tinged with sarcasm.

Trask simply shrugged.  “If he’s not going to give me the details, then at
least I can stop him from communicating with his people by killing him.
Maybe
if he quits communicating, they’ll assume he’s dead and call off the
 invasion.”

Garrison rolled his eyes.  “Yeah, right.”

Just then the sound of footsteps thundering up the stairs startled them, and
Trask spun around in his chair in time to see Fredrickson throw open the
basement door, causing it to bang loudly against the wall.  His face was
deathly pale.

“What is it?” Trask demanded impatiently.

The man gulped, his grip tightening on the doorknob until his knuckles
turned
white.  “I don’t exactly know how to tell you this, sir, but they’re gone.”

Trask’s brow furrowed in confusion.  “What do you mean, ‘they’re gone?’” he
asked, sitting up straighter in his chair.  “They have to be there.  I just
saw them a couple of hours ago.”

“Well, they’re not there now.”

Trask looked over at Garrison, and they both exchanged a startled, worried
look.  Then they leapt to their feet and made a quick dash for the basement
door.  Thundering down the stairs, they ran through the open metal door
leading to the isolated basement room and stopped in shocked silence as they
spotted the open cell door.

Slowly, Trask’s shocked gaze shifted from the open cell door to the cot
pushed
up against the far wall beneath the window, where the window was open and
the
screen pushed out.  And Lois and Clark were nowhere to be seen.

“Noooo!” Trask yelled, his angry voice echoing off the bare cement walls.
With several running steps, he ran over to the window and leaped up onto the
cot in one smooth motion, peering anxiously out the open window.  In a burst
of anger, he smacked his hands down on the open window’s sill, unaware of
the
pain his action caused.

Whirling around, he gestured wildly to Fredrickson, who was cowering in the
open doorway.  “Wake the others!  We’ve got to organize a search party and
find them before they get too far away!  And get on the radio and call in
the
choppers.  We’re going to need some overhead help!”

Fredrickson’s eyes widened.  “But it’s after midnight!” he exclaimed
incredulously.  “They’re not going to be happy about this…”

“I don’t care if they’re furious!” Trask hollered, jumping down from the cot
and thundering toward Fredrickson.  “Radio them and get them out here NOW!”

Fredrickson gave him a quick nod, eager for any excuse to get away from his
enraged boss, and immediately disappeared up the stairs.  When Fredrickson
left, Garrison spoke up.  “The choppers are a half hour’s flight away.  Kent
and Lane could be anywhere by then, and we have no way of knowing how long
ago
they escaped.”

“Then we’ll just have to start searching for them on the ground first!”
Trask
snapped in undisguised anger.  “The choppers can join in the search when
they
get here.  Kent is far too important to let escape.  Besides, he and Lane
can’
t get very far in the shape they’re in.”

Garrison hesitated.  “I wouldn’t be too sure about that.  Whether he has
Kryptonite in his system or not, Kent’s tenacity and resourcefulness
shouldn’t
be overlooked.  Neither should Lane’s.”

Trask nodded.  “All the more reason to get the men out there searching high
and low, and call in that air support.  Now.”

With determined steps, Trask turned to go up the stairs, and Garrison
followed.  When they reached the main level, they were instantly surrounded
by
a barrage of activity.  A dozen men were barreling out of their bunks and
throwing on clothes and boots before rushing into the front area of the
cabin
to grab their guns, high frequency radios and high-powered flashlights.

“Let’s go, let’s go, let’s go!” Trask yelled as the men stampeded past.  “We
don’t have a second to spare.  I want everyone assembled outside in two
minutes, ready for instructions!”

Trask turned to Garrison.  “I want as many vehicles as possible,” he told
him.
“It’s dark out there, and we’re going to need all the light we can get from
our headlights while we’re searching.  And make sure all the men are
properly
equipped with radios.  I want everyone in touch at all times.”

Garrison’s jaw tightened at being ordered around like one of Trask’s
pitbulls,
but he knew that, considering the circumstances, it was better to follow
orders.  After all, he wanted the Man of Steel recaptured as badly as Trask
did.  There was simply too much at stake.

Nodding obediently, he grabbed his coat and headed out the door to oversee
the
gathering of the men in the compound.

It was only a matter of minutes before all the men were assembled outside,
and
Trask stalked back and forth in front of them.  “Okay, men, listen up!
Here’s
the situation,” he began, his voice booming authoritatively through the
stillness of the night.  “Lane and Kent are out there somewhere, and I want
them back in my custody before dawn.  With their injuries, they couldn’t
have
gotten far, so I want these woods gone over with a fine-tooth comb.  We’ll
pair up and spread out, leaving no stone unturned.  I expect everyone to
radio
in at five-minute intervals, telling me where you are and what you’ve found.
If you find any tracks or signs that Lane and Kent have been where you are,
I
want to know!  Is that understood?”

“Yes, sir!” came the resounding reply from the men.

Trask gave a curt nod.  “Then let’s get to it!”

His orders were immediately followed by a bustle of activity as the men
obediently broke formation and scurried about the compound, gathering last
min
ute items and scrambling into vehicles.

“Sir!”

Trask turned to see Fredrickson bounding down the cabin’s front steps and
then
jog over to him.  “What’s the status of the chopper?” Trask demanded.

“They could only spare one, but it should be on its way.”

“Good,” Trask replied, glancing down at his watch.  “Let’s just hope they
hurry.  I want Kent and Lane recaptured before they get too far away.”

“I understand, sir.  We’re on it.”  And with that, he turned and hurried to
the nearest jeep and climbed in.

Garrison approached Trask a minute later.  “Everything’s set.”

Trask nodded briskly.  “Okay, then,” he said, his loud voice booming across
the compound.  “Let’s move!”

*****

Lois ducked under a tree branch that Clark held back for her, then
cautiously
stepped over several fallen twigs.  She felt awkward and cumbersome hiking
through the rough terrain in her dress shoes, though she was grateful she’d
chosen to wear flats instead of high heels the night before to the theater.
She hated to think how much more difficult the hiking would’ve been right
now.

“How long have we been walking?” she asked, following a step behind Clark as
they continued their hike through the darkened woods.  Occasionally, the
hoot
of an owl or a rustle in the woods alerted them to the fact that they
weren’t
alone, but so far there had been no indication that Trask’s men were
following
them.

“About an hour,” Clark answered, sounding out of breath as he concentrated
on
navigating the hilly terrain.

Lois’ heart sunk, and the discouragement that had been building over the
course of their long trek through the woods seemed to peak.  “An hour?
That’s
it?” she asked, unable to keep the despair from her voice.

Clark turned to glance over his shoulder at her.  “Sorry to break the news,
but yeah.”

Tears welled up in Lois’ eyes, and she slowed her already painful, limping
steps.  She was tired, hurting and discouraged, and all she wanted to do
right
then and there was to collapse and give in to some good, old-fashioned
self-pity.

Unable to force herself to continue, she turned away from Clark without a
word
and headed for a large nearby fallen tree.  When she reached it, she dropped
onto it unceremoniously and reached down to rub her aching thigh.

*What’s the point of this, anyway?* she thought dismally.  *These mountains
go
on for miles and miles.  What are the odds of us actually heading in the
right
direction in the dark?  And how are we possibly supposed to find help before
Trask and his men find *us*?*

Moments later, Clark suddenly realized Lois was no longer behind him, and in
a
panic, he whirled around to see what had happened to her.  When he spotted
her
a few yards away sitting on a fallen tree, he couldn’t help breathing a sigh
of relief.

Deciding he could use a break, too, he changed direction and walked wearily
over to her as he struggled to slow his breathing.   Though he wasn’t about
to
say it, inwardly he was grateful for the break.  As much as he was trying
his
best not to show it, he was exhausted.  He couldn’t help wondering if the
Kryptonite in his system affected more than just his powers since his energy
level seemed to drop when his activity increased.

*That would make sense, though,* Clark reasoned as he dropped wearily onto
the
log next to Lois.  *With my heart beating faster from the exercise, it’s
probably pumping the Kryptonite through my system faster.*

As he drew next to Lois, he could tell from her slumped shoulders and
hanging
head that she was discouraged and hurting.

“Come on, Lois, we can’t quit now,” Clark said quietly as he sat down beside
her and reached out to rub her shoulder sympathetically.

She sniffled through her barely controlled tears and shook her head slowly.
“What’s the use,” she muttered dismally.  “We could be walking in circles in
the dark, for all we know.  It’s the middle of the night, it’s freezing, I’m
tired, and my leg is throbbing…”  Her voice trailed off, and the tears that
had been forming in her eyes finally spilled over and began to course down
her
cheeks.

Clark’s heart wrenched.  He wasn’t used to seeing Lois so discouraged, so
close to completely giving up that it cut him clear to his soul.  He knew he
had to do something to keep her going, to give her the strength to go on.
True, they both had been through a lot, much more than anybody should ever
have to go through.  But he also knew of the fire and spirit Lois had inside
of her, and he knew that if only he could spark it, he could give her the
strength to keep going.

“Lois, I know you’re tired and hurting and discouraged,” he began, lifting
his
hand to brush her hair back from her dirt and tear-streaked face.  “But
we’re
going to get through this.  I promise.”

“How can you promise that?” she asked, looking up at him with eyes filled
with
doubt.  “We could be wandering around these mountains for hours, even days
before finding help!  And Trask’s men have the advantage.  They probably
know
these woods like the backs of their hands.  The odds of us finding help
before
they find us are remote, at best.”

“Lois, I swear to you,” Clark said forcefully, taking her hands in his
firmly,
“I am *not* going to let Trask’s men capture us again.  We’ve come too far
and
gone through too much to get to this point.  I may not be able to see
through
the dark to check our direction, but I’m sure we’re going in the right
direction.  I can feel it.”

“You can *feel* it?” Lois echoed, a hint of her usual spirit returning in
the
form of biting sarcasm.  “Is that one of those superpowers you didn’t bother
to tell me that you have?  Intuition?  Terrific.  I feel *so* much better
now.
Thanks.”

Clark closed his eyes and forced himself to count to ten.  He quickly
reminded
himself that it was a good thing that he’d sparked some of Lois’ fighting
spirit.  But on the other hand, he didn’t appreciate her sarcasm and anger
being directed at him, especially when he was already feeling guilty enough
about her finding out about him and his powers in the way she had.  He was
doing his best to put his own failing health aside to keep her as comforted
and protected as he could, and it angered him that she couldn’t see that.

“It’s pretty ironic, isn’t it?” Lois went on, angrily brushing away the
tears
on her cheeks.  “Here I am, in the middle of the mountains with you,
*Superman*, and you can’t get us out of here any easier than *I* could.”
She
pushed up unsteadily from the log and took a couple of limping steps away
before stopping and crossing her arms in front of her chest, staring off
into
the blackness of the woods around them.  When she continued, her tone was
bitter.  “You know, I always thought having Superman for a boyfriend would
be
exciting…you know, having all those superpowers at your disposal.  But a lot
of good that’s doing for me now.  You can’t even get us out of a life or
death
situation when we need it the most.  So much for your being ‘super.’”

Finally finished ranting, she turned back to Clark.  But when she saw the
devastated, crestfallen expression on his face that her thoughtless words
had
caused, she immediately felt horrible.

“Oh, Clark,” she said, limping back to where he sat, looking as if he’d just
been slapped.  “I’m so sorry.  You know I didn’t mean that.  I was lashing
out, and you just happened to be on the receiving end of it.  I know you’d
get
us out of here if you could.”

She reached out to put a hand on his shoulder, but his expression had turned
hard and cold, and he jerked his arm away and stood up.  Taking a couple of
steps away, he spoke, his voice cool and filled with hurt.  “It doesn’t
matter.  Let’s just go.”  And with that, he started to walk away, his back
stiff and his shoulders squared.

Lois stared after him in shock, tears once again forming in her eyes.  This
time, though, they were tears of remorse.  *How could you have said such a
horrible thing?* she scolded herself angrily.  *It’s obvious he already
feels
guilty enough about the situation we’re in without your making it worse by
taking things out on him.  You’re supposed to be supportive, and a part of a
team, not do everything in your power to push us apart!*  And what was
worse,
she didn’t how she could possibly go about fixing the damage her words had
just done.

Now feeling even worse emotionally than physically, she bit her lip as she
turned and half-hopped, half jogged after Clark, trying to close the
distance
between them.  “Clark, slow down!” she called out in a loud whisper.  “Come
on, Clark, wait!  Can’t we at least talk about this?”

Clark suddenly stopped short and turned around, his eyes fiery and angry.
“It
doesn’t sound like there’s anything to talk about, Lois.  Thanks for finally
making me understand.  Now that you know the truth about me, but realize I
don
’t have any of my powers, I’m somehow damaged goods.”

“Clark, that’s not what I meant, and you know it,” Lois began, the knife of
her guilt penetrating deeper into her heart.  “I didn’t mean it at all.  I
was
just angry!”

She was about to rush on with her apology, but suddenly Clark’s face took on
an all-too-familiar distant, distracted look.  If she didn’t know any
better,
she would say he was hearing something.  But that couldn’t be possible.  He
was still without his superhearing, and she didn’t hear anything out of the
ordinary.  She looked at him curiously, her brow furrowed.  “What is it?”

He held up a hand to silence her and continued to listen for a few seconds.
Then suddenly she heard it too.  It was the unmistakeable, rhythmic sounds
of
an approaching helicopter.

“Trask!” Lois breathed, her scared voice barely audible.  “He must have
realized we were missing!”

Clark’s eyes took on a panicked look, and he quickly glanced back at her and
grabbed her hand.  “Lois, run!”

Grabbing her thigh in an effort to stem the pain, she lurched forward after
Clark in a loping, limping gate as they ran in the opposite direction of the
approaching helicopter.  Glancing back over her shoulder, she could make out
the helicopter’s brilliant searchlight darting among the trees behind them,
and Lois knew it would only be a matter of seconds before it gave away their
position.

Clark seemed to realize it, too, because his eyes darted around their
surroundings frantically.  A second later, he was tugging at her hand and
pointing to his right.  “This way!” he shouted, pulling her toward a denser
gathering of trees and a shallow ravine.

Lois stumbled along after him, fighting to stay on her feet as they dodged
rocks and jumped over fallen tree branches.  They paused at the top of the
shallow ravine, and Lois joined Clark in looking up frantically into the sky
at the approaching helicopter.  She couldn’t help noticing the helicopter’s
darting searchlight looming even closer, and in the next moment, Lois could
feel the wind from the helicopter’s blades rush over her, and the trees
around
them started to sway.

Paralyzed with fear, she froze next to Clark as the helicopter’s menacing
searchlight suddenly illuminated the area just to the left of them.  Her
heart
leapt into her throat and she tightened her grip on Clark’s hand.

“Clark!” she yelled frantically.

Barely able to hear her voice over the noise of the helicopter’s whirling
blades, he quickly turned to her, his eyes mirroring her panic.  “Quick!
Down
into the ravine!” he yelled over the rhythmic beating of the blades.

Before she was ready, she found herself being pulled along after him,
sliding
down the few feet of embankment into the shallow but empty ravine, causing a
shower of loose dirt and rocks to fall down around them.  They landed with a
thump on the uneven ground at the bottom of the ravine, and Lois immediately
gasped as little prickles of white-hot pain seared through her leg, which
nearly gave out from the impact.  Frantically, she grabbed for Clark’s arm
to
keep herself upright.

With the help of the adrenaline flooding through her, she forced her legs to
remain beneath her and gave Clark’s hand a jerk as she turned to her right,
preparing to flee along the bed of the ravine.  But Clark’s hand nearly
crushed hers as he pulled her back alongside him.  Then he hastily threw his
arm across her, shoving her backward and pressing her up against the wall of
the dried ravine bed in an effort to shield them from the helicopter’s
approaching searchlight.

Lois stood, frozen with fear as the searchlight darted closer, approaching
from behind.  Glancing quickly to her left, she saw Clark flatten himself
even
further against the ravine’s wall, his breathing coming hard and fast.  She
clenched her eyes tightly shut and quickly directed a prayer heavenward,
hoping that at the angle at which the helicopter was approaching, the
embankment of the ravine and the dense population of trees along the banks
would shield them from the helicopter overhead.

Then in a heart stopping flash, the helicopter’s searchlight suddenly
flooded
over them, illuminating them and their surroundings with the brightness of
the
midday sun.  Lois froze.  For what seemed like an eternity, she was unable
to
move, unable to breathe.

But then things went dark again around them, and Lois breathed a momentary
sigh of relief.  Unclenching her eyes and looking skyward, she blinked
several
times to force her eyes readjust to her dark surroundings and saw that the
helicopter had flown over them and was continuing on ahead of them in its
search.

As it resumed its course, the blade noise lessened, the trees around them
slowly stopped swaying, and the air finally stilled.  When the stillness of
the night finally settled in around them, Lois could once again hear Clark’s
heavy breathing.

Almost afraid to trust her own voice, she whispered anxiously, “I don’t
think
they saw us.”

“Not this time,” Clark agreed, obviously trying to control his labored
breathing.  “But they’ll be circling back and continuing to look for us
until
they find us, so we’d better get out of here.  Let’s find a spot where it’ll
be easier to climb out of here and then search for cover.”

With a quick nod, Lois bit the corner of her lip hard against the radiating
pain in her thigh and pushed off from the cold, dirt embankment.  She
started
to turn away, but Clark quickly put a hand on her arm to stop her.  She
turned
to look at him in concern.  “What?”

Clark gestured for her to be quiet, and her heart started to pound again as
she strained to hear whatever it was he was listening for.  Seconds later,
she
heard it.  Car doors slamming.  Loud voices shouting out instructions.

 With renewed fear gripping at her heart, she met Clark’s worried gaze.
There
was no doubt about it.  Trask’s men were closing in.

***************************************

Erin  :)
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The Darkest Hour (Before the Dawn)
by Erin Klingler
erink@ida.net
part 27

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“Let’s go!” Clark urged.  Grabbing Lois’ hand, they ran together along the
bottom of the ravine away from the approaching men.  They hadn’t gone far
when
Clark spotted a section of the bank that had been washed away, and a fallen
tree dipped down into the ravine.  Clark pointed at it and shouted, “There!
Come on, I’ll help you up.”

Lois hurried to the tree and quickly grabbed at the branches, using them
along
with Clark’s steadying hands to help her scramble up the side of the
embankment.  Once again on solid ground, she turned back to offer Clark her
hand.  Seconds later, he was standing beside her on the bank.

The still-present sounds of Trask’s men approaching made them look around
frantically for the best means of escape.   “Up the hill,” Clark suddenly
said, pointing to his right.  “Maybe there’s somewhere to hide up there.”

“You’ve got to be kidding,” Lois whispered in disbelief, staring at the
steep
incline and thinking of her aching body.  “I can’t make it up there!”

“Come on, Lois, it’s steep, but it’s not very far.”  Clark took her hand and
gave it a quick, reassuring squeeze.  “You can do it.  Just follow me.”

Though skeptical, Lois bit her lip to try to distract herself from her
aching
leg as she hurried after Clark, and they started to climb.  The hard, frozen
dirt soon turned rocky, however, and Lois found herself struggling to
maintain
her footing as she followed Clark up the incline.

In the darkness, she didn’t see the single branch sticking up from between
two
of the rocks, and she let out a startled cry when it snared her foot.  She
shifted her weight onto her other foot to try to free herself, but the rocks
she stood on suddenly gave way, causing her to lose her balance and teeter
precariously on the unstable rock face.

The next thing she knew, she fell hard on her knees, wincing as the sharp
edges of the rocks beneath her cut into her tender skin.  Then, in one
heart-stopping moment, she felt herself start to skid backwards down the
steep
slope.  “Clark!” she cried out frantically.

Clark whirled around and saw her slither backward, his throat suddenly
constricting in fear.  “Lois!”  He threw his arm out and made a grab for her
hand, but missed.  “Lois, hang on!  I’m coming!”

Trying to maintain his footing on the loose rocks, he scrambled down the
steep
mountainside, praying that Lois could hold on until he got there.  When he
reached her, he once again reached out his hand and breathed an inward sigh
of
relief when he felt her hand grasp his firmly.  He held on as she righted
herself, then she pulled herself back up toward him where she was able to
get
better footing.

Just then the flicker of flashlights through the trees at the bottom of the
hill caught their attention, and they heard shouts.  Clark’s eyes darted
toward the approaching men.  Turning his attention back to Lois, he squeezed
her hand urgently.  “Come on!  Just a little bit further, Lois, I promise!”

Lois put what little energy she had left into scrambling the rest of the way
up the incline, and was relieved when the ground began to level out near the
top of the hill.  Clark tugged her toward an overgrown thicket along the
ridge
about twenty yards away, and she did her best to follow.

As the underbrush thickened, they found themselves maneuvering around fallen
branches and avoiding prickly branches and shrubs that reached out to grab
them as they went past.  But Clark kept leading them further into the dense
foliage, and Lois didn’t question him.  She knew he was right to choose such
a
path; surely Trask’s men wouldn’t think to look for them in places where the
terrain was so rough and unpleasant.

As they were moving deeper into the thicket, Lois suddenly felt a tug behind
her, and she whirled around in a panic.  But in a rush of relief, she saw
that
it was just that her dress had been snared by one of the outstretched
branches
of a nearby bush.  Sliding her hand out of Clark’s, she stopped and reached
out to unhook the torn fabric of her dress from its grasp.  As she did, she
heard Clark cry out in surprise.

Quickly she turned back to see that he’d stumbled over a mostly hidden log
beneath the underbrush, getting scratched up by the surrounding branches in
the process.  Then in the darkness, she saw him pause, then take two
crawling
steps to his right and peer intently into the darkness.

“Clark, what is it?” Lois asked in an exaggerated whisper.  “What do you
see?”

“I think it’s a cave!” he replied in an excited whisper.  “The mouth of it
is
really overgrown with bushes and shrubs, but it’s there!  If it’s big enough
for the both of us, we can hide in there, and Trask’s men would probably
never
find us!  Come on, let’s check it out!”

Lois fought her way toward him through the snaring branches, and came to a
stop beside him where he was moving the dense foliage aside to get a better
look.  Suddenly, she saw it too, and her eyes lit up with hope.  It was
indeed
the opening to a small cave, so overgrown with bushes and branches that the
mouth of it was impossible to see unless you were looking for it.

Clark succeeded in parting the foliage without breaking the branches that
would shield them from the searching eyes of Trask’s men, and he gestured
for
Lois to go inside.  She got down on her hands and knees to crawl inside the
overgrown mouth of the cave while Clark held aside the brush for her.

She had to squint to see anything in the cave, and only the barest of moon
rays reflecting off the patchy snow outside gave them the chance to see
their
surroundings.

“It looks like an old mine shaft,” Lois said in a hushed whisper as Clark
scrambled in beside her.  “Weren’t there a bunch of small mine shafts
operated
by just a few men at the turn of the century in these mountains?  Maybe this
is one of those shafts.”

Clark turned back in the confined space and concentrated on replacing the
branches and foliage shielding the cave’s entrance.  “I don’t know, but it
could be,” he answered quietly.  “The important thing is, we should be safe
in
here.”

When the entrance was covered to his satisfaction, Clark breathed an audible
sigh of relief and turned back to her in the near darkness.  “I know I said
we
should keep moving to get as far away from Trask’s cabin as possible, but I
think our safest bet is to stay here for the night.  The branches and
underbrush covering the mouth of this cave, or mineshaft, or whatever it is
will keep us hidden from Trask’s men, and I think we’re safer to stay put
here.  At least until dawn, when we can see.  Besides, I think we could both
use the rest.”

Lois nodded wearily.  “I won’t argue with that.”

Clark swung around in the cramped space and leaned back against the cool,
dirt
wall.  When he was situated, he put his hands on Lois’ arms and gently
guided
her back against him until she was nestled in his embrace.

With a tired sigh, Lois leaned her head against his cheek and was
immediately
comforted by the soothing, familiar feel of his arms encompassing her.
  “Mmmm,” she mumbled wearily.  “I can hardly keep my eyes open.  When we
get
back to Metropolis, I’m going to sleep for days.”

She felt Clark’s smile against her cheek.  “Me too.”

“*After* we get to the bottom of this virus thing and get Trask put behind
bars, that is,” she quickly amended.  “Some things just can’t wait.”

“True.  But for now, there’s nothing to do but wait,” Clark answered
wearily.
“So you just sleep.  I’ll keep an eye and ear out for trouble.”

“But shouldn’t you get some sleep, too?”

Clark sighed.  “I will.  But first I want to make sure we’re safe from
Trask’s
men.  When I’m sure they’ve passed us by, I’ll sleep, too.”

Lois brushed her bangs back off her sweaty forehead and looked up doubtfully
into Clark’s face, barely able to see him in only the faint strains of
moonlight filtering through the overgrown entrance to the cave.  His voice
sounded so tired and strained, and what she was able to see of him in the
dim
lighting wasn’t encouraging.  His face was pale, and she’d never seen him
look
so completely worn out and exhausted before.

Lifting her hand to his cheek, she stroked it tenderly, her earlier fit of
anger forgotten.  “How are you holding up?  You don’t look that great.”

Clark reached up to take his glasses off and rubbed the bridge of his nose
tiredly.  “No, I’m doing okay.  It’s just that my body’s never been through
anything like this before without my powers, and the Kryptonite seems to be
affecting me the more active I get.”

Lois’ earlier guilt for her harsh words came flooding back.  “Clark, about
what I said earlier…”

“No, Lois, it’s okay,” Clark hurried to reassure her.  “We were both tired
and
confused, and we both said some things we shouldn’t have…”

But Lois shook her head, quickly cutting him off.  “No, Clark, it’s not
okay.
I had no business lashing out at you like that, and I hope you know that I
didn’t mean a word of it.  You’re suffering from this whole ordeal as much
as
I am, and I shouldn’t have taken my frustrations out on you.”  She swallowed
hard, then continued.  “I know how hard this must be on you, especially
since
you’re so used to relying on your powers to keep people safe.  And I just
want
you to know, I don’t blame you for any of this.  We’re a team.  We’ll get
through this together, *with or without* your superpowers.”

She could see Clark’s relieved smile through the darkness.  “Thank you,
Lois,”
he said quietly.  “That means a lot to hear you say that, because you’re
right.  I *do* blame myself for getting you into this situation.  It just
kills me to see you like this, hungry and cold and in so much pain.  I’d do
anything to see that you’re out of harm’s way.”

Lois felt tears spring to her eyes.  “I know you would, Clark.  And that’s
why--”

“Shhhh,” Clark whispered, putting a finger to her lips.  “Enough talking for
now, Lois.  You just lie down and get some sleep.  Morning will be here
before
you know it, and we’ll need to get an early start.  We can talk more
tomorrow
after we’re safe and sound in Metropolis.  Believe me, Lois, everything’s
going to be all right.  I promise.”

The idea of being safely back in the city, accompanied by Clark’s reassuring
words, sent a calming feeling through Lois, and she suddenly found herself
believing Clark.  Somehow, everything *was* going to be all right.

With a tired sigh, she let Clark guide her head down onto his shoulder, and
she nestled up against him, letting the warmth of his body warm shield her
from the coolness of the damp cave.  Then, finally giving in to her
exhaustion, she closed her eyes and fell asleep.

***************************************

Erin  :)
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Great - I'm one of the ones lobbying for this story continuation.
merry

Erin Klingler wrote:

> Genine wrote:
> >Okay, okay, I really, *really* hate to continue to be a pest here <g>,
but I
> >am just wondering what the current "status report" is on "Darkest Hour."
> >Erin?  I know you must be swamped with the votes for the Kerths, so I
really
> >don't expect to hear much from you until after Saturday, but still, I
can't
> >let you forget about your other 'project.'  <vbg>  It's just that it's
been
> >such a long time since we've seen any installments.  I figured that it's
> >about time to resume my shameless begging.  ;)
>
> LOL!  Okay, okay, to prove that shameless begging really *is* effective
<g>,
> I've finally managed to make some time to finish the next two installments
of
> 'The Darkest Hour.'  Thanks to all of you who keep begging for more, since
I'd
> never get it finished if it weren't for you!  ;)
>
> Keep in mind, these next two installments are VERY hot off the presses,
not
> even having been beta read yet.  So if I've missed some plot points or
grammar
> items, please let me know and I'll get them fixed ASAP.  I just wanted to
rush
> these installments off to you guys before I go into labor or something.
<g>
> Also, this is my first time writing action scenes, so I'd be happy to take
> advice on how to better the action segments.  ;)
>
> Hope you like them!
>
> Erin  :)
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Not sure about Russian/Soviet, but I have a Lithuanian aquaintance whose
last name is Smit.

SuperMom

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Ann said, regarding Lois's ring:
>However, we wouldn't have been able to see it fall out, and then
>Clark see it on the ground and crawl over to it --

I always get tickled when I watch that - because when Clark reaches for the
ring, there's a small, healing "owie" on his finger!  Absurd, I know, but
there you have it.  <g>

>Unlike Kristy, I thought the wedding plans were hilarious.  I could just
see
>Ellen and Beverly going overboard.  Lois seemed to be willing to do
whatever
>whoever was talking wanted.

I thought that Lois was just trying to keep the peace.  She didn't want her
mother to go off on a rant (or get her feelings hurt), and didn't want
Clark to be unhappy, and those things seemed to be mutually exclusive,
which made it tough for her!

Although now that I think of it, that's rather an odd role for Lois -
peacemaker?  <g>

Becky

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> I also didn't like how Clark was acting, like a stereotypical
> male, wanting hot dogs of all things, at his wedding. The episode presents
a
> poor picture of Clark as a "typical guy"- commitment-phobic and willing to
> dump the wedding plans off on the women.

Interesting.  I come from a small, rural farming community (like Clark, only
in the next state to the west), and I was in my 30s before I found out that
people ever had *anything* more at a wedding reception than cake, mints,
nuts, and punch.  Even then, it was mostly barbecue (a pig on a spit or
something), so I didn't see Clark's desire for those little hot dog hors
d'oevers as being a "stereotypical male."  I didn't see his behavior in any
way as commitment-phobic, maybe because I don't think a desire for a small
wedding shows a want of commitment.  And I didn't feel that he was dumping
the wedding plans off on the women.  He made it pretty clear that he didn't
want the kind of wedding that Ellen was planning and that he had thought
Lois felt the same way, so his behavior was more of a protest against
someone else taking over the wedding he and Lois had been working on
together for several eps.

I find it extremely interesting how much our reactions to eps, plots,
villains, scenes, etc. depend on what experiences we bring to the show.
Since the A-plots rarely mattered to me, I didn't care about the voodoo part
of the show.  Instead, I simply enjoyed the way Sunday challenged Clark and
how L&C coped with Clark hiding his fears from Lois.  I thought it was good
insight into Clark's past and his and Lois's future relationship.

Sheila
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Great Stuff, Erin!  I couldn't wait.  I've read it already and it moved
quite
smoothly.  You write very exciting action.  I was on the edge of my computer
chair.  Now I'd better go to sleep before I fall off my seat.

Thank you, thank you thank you!
Anne (oh, you know which one!)
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I always thought that Clark was saying it sarcastically when he mentioned
mini hot dogs.  It always came off to me that he was just kidding.

And I also always liked the episode. but I am taking a class on North
American Religions and I have a few problems with the vodou they showed.
First, Iggy the zombie... vodou does use zombies, but they are not really
dead... they use a fish poison that makes them lethargic and people believe
they are zombies... Then, what B.S. is doing is more hoodoo than vodou.
Everything they have him doing is not real vodou.  It is just all of the
stereotypes that we have about people that practice vodou.  (I am not trying
to defend vodou practicioners, but I do remember what I learned in class and
those were some of my professor's major points)

Alicia :)
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I seem to have missed what started this thread so am a bit bewildered.
Didn't anyone else see those mini-hot dogs as Clark's ironic reaction to the
way things were getting out of hand?  NOS was my least favorite episode
because I thought  the voo-doo stuff was so ridiculous.  What saved it was
the hilarious scene with Star ("Lois, is there something evil in your
handbag?"  "Just my credit cards.") and the antics of Ellen and Beverly.
Sorry to intrude.  Will return to lurking.  Jude
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I like the idea of a small wedding.  I think small weddings are very
romantic.  I've been to a couple of them myself.  Okay i was a kid when I
went to them, but i thought it was nice that there weren't a million people
there! LOL!  I mean in the end Lois and Clark ended up having that small
wedding that they both wanted and it was very romantic...Also i think in
Clark's case it might be the safest way to go...especially since he's
Superman.  I can see him making an excuse for possibly leaving (okay that
would be terrible if he had to...but if it was a castrophic thing he might
have to make an exception.)  Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that it's
best
to be prepared for something like that.  Clark would probably rather come up
with an excuse for only Perry, Jimmy and Lois' parents behalf or try to have
his parents or Lois come up with something...then explain it for a huge
roomful of people!  Maybe Clark was thinking along those lines...I mean it's
always good to come prepared...for no matter what curve balls life throws
you. =)

Alexis ;-.)
{who hopes her babbling just made sense!}

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:41:40 -0500 Pam Jernigan
<jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:

Quoting Felix:
>> The text version has some scenes cut. Anyone know why? And are there
any other episodes like that, in S5/S6/TUFS? <<

> I don't know about TUFS, but we didn't do anything like that on
purpose in S5/S6 ... if anyone notices anything, please assume it was a
boo-boo, and let me know so I can fix it :) <

Okay, here's one... the version of "Preparations" that went up was
_not_ the final edited version; instead, it was the penultimate
version, to which I made a few minor changes at the request of Kathy
and the group in general. The story in general was affected hardly at
all, but one or two bits of characterisation and the like were "lost".

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:51:19 -0700 sharper
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>  Since the A-plots rarely
> mattered to me, I didn't care about the voodoo part of the
> show.  Instead, I simply enjoyed the way Sunday challenged
> Clark and how L&C coped with Clark hiding his fears from
> Lois.  I thought it was good insight into Clark's past and
> his and Lois's future relationship.

I suppose you could see it that way, Sheila, but if I find
an A-plot makes me cringe, then I find the entire episode
embarrassing. Therefore my least watched episodes are NoS,
Soulmates (yuck!), Toy Story and Family Hour (yes, I know
there's that wonderful scene in the conference room in FH,
but I can't bear to watch the rest of it again to get to
that).

As for the wedding stuff in NoS, perhaps that's a
transatlantic difference in humour? There have been a
number of things in L&C which some people find hilarious
but which leave me cold, I find. The wedding co-ordinator
was one; the Wedding Destroyer and her sidekick another,
and Katy the ghost and her friend (from Ghosts) another
still.

But then, if we were all the same, wouldn't life be boring?
<g>

Wendy
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OMG! You don't like Soul Mates!?!  That ep is one of my favorite eppys of
Lois and Clark and I never, ever, ever get sick of watching it. ;)

Alexis ;-.)
{who just had to say something in Soul Mates defence! ;)}

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>>> OMG! You don't like Soul Mates!?!<<<

I've said this before on the list - I hated the time-travel
body-swaps with all the lead actors playing other
characters, the stupid, cringe-inducing accents, the silly
plots... you name it. Okay, there were two minutes at the
beginning and four minutes at the end worth watching, but
the BBC only showed about one minute in total of the *nice*
stuff - we didn't even get Clark going back for Lois's
suitcase because it had the black teddy in it.

If someone were to edit SM down to about six or seven
minutes in total, I'd love it as an ep!

Wendy

(who forgot WIEAK from that other list of 'eps I hate')

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In a message dated 3/21/00 4:45:28 AM EST, w.m.richards@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK
writes:

<< who forgot WIEAK from that other list of 'eps I hate >>

Now that eppy is one I can agree with you on.  I only taped it because my
internet friend played Richie plus I love that sorta sloppy kiss Clark gives
Lois.

On the whole time-travel thing.. I love that sorta make-believe...fantasy
realm.. historical stuff.  I seem to be drawn to historical romances so this
ep was right up my alley.  Although I do think it stinks that the BCC edited
the ending out.  At times like that I'm glad I live in the USA!  I went to
London once and i wanted to live there so bad.  If that dream ever comes
true...i'm just glad that I already have Soul Mates on tape. ;)

Alexis ;-.)

"Lois Lane, Clark Kent."  Perry, (LnC), THE PILOT.
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In a message dated 21/03/2000 05:35:33 GMT Standard Time, nightsky@EROLS.COM
writes:

<< The final version is available in text at the archives, or on my
 website.  There is also a .html version (with italics instead of
 asterisks, etc.) at my website.
  >>

Then I better go and reget it then.  As I must of downloaded it if I didn't
get it by email.  I know I read it <g>

Rowan :)
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Hi Folcs,
I have a few questions for a non L&C related story I'm writing:

1. Does someone know if it is possible for foreigners to work in the USA
for a limited amount of time without having a greencard (like a
vacation-job for example) and how difficult is it to get the permission
or which rules employers and employees would have to follow?

2. I know that it is possible to prolong a visit in the USA over the
usually (at least for German visitors) allowed 90 days, by getting a
subsequent visum from the Immigration office. My question is: Is it
difficult to get and which reasons could justify a prolongation. Would
the "vacation job" that I mentioned above be a possible reason?

3. How much money does a waitress make in the USA? And is she usually
paid weekly or monthly?

4. I also have a few questions about "Anaheim": How far is it from LA
and how far from Malibu? Is there anything else, but Disney located
there, like Motels, Bars, Shops etc. and are there people living in
Anaheim?

I would really appreciate your help! Thank you!
Nicole
--
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
NKWolke@eifel-net.net

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And don't you have the time to go and find them?
Here's your solution: Go to "The Dean Cain News Page"
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Posting for Labrat...who I agree with wholeheartedly here, BTW!

Yvonne
****************

Christy wrote:
>
I also didn't like how Clark was acting, like a stereotypical
> male, wanting hot dogs of all things, at his wedding. The episode presents
a
> poor picture of Clark as a "typical guy"- commitment-phobic and willing to
> dump the wedding plans off on the women. If this was supposed to be a
joke, I
> don't think it was funny.

Okay, I have to fess up here and confess that in a pretty unforgettable
episode for a whole host of reasons, I actually find the wedding plan
moments hilarious and they're the reason (with a couple of others) that I
revist this one in among some serious zapping of the remote control. And I
didn't find this at all in Clark's hotdog comment. What I get from that
moment is that Clark is just fed up with Beverley hijacking the wedding and
stamping her personality all over it and he's being sarcastic with the
hotdogs. For me it's a snippy attempt to remind Beverley of something she
seems to have forgotten in her enthusiasm - that this is Clark and Lois' big
day, not hers. As this is a common enough failing of parents when their
children marry - getting carried away, planning the big day *they've* always
dreamed of for their child, and sometimes forgetting in among the excitement
that their plans may not be their child's plans - it just tickled me. I
don't think Clark wants to abdicate the work and plans to the womenfolk at
all. Quite the contrary - he's ticked because Beverley has effectively cut
him *out* of the plans by this point. And Lois too. I think that's made
clear by the way Lois and Clark are behaving at the start of the scene. Both
of them are completely switched off, neither of them are listening to
Beverley any more, because she's off on her own tangent and they've not been
consulted on any of the decisions at all by this point in proceedings. Both
of them have opted out and its' clearly bugging Clark in particular
immensely here. At least that's always been my impression of the scene.~~~

~~~Oh, and those shots of Clark's chest didn't get zapped along the way
either. ;) That scene made up for a whole lot of hokum, I can tell you. ~~~

LabRat :)
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In a message dated 03/21/2000 6:35:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
NKWolke@EIFEL-NET.NET writes:

<< 1. Does someone know if it is possible for foreigners to work in the USA
 for a limited amount of time without having a greencard (like a
 vacation-job for example) and how difficult is it to get the permission
 or which rules employers and employees would have to follow? >>

Any employer in the U.S. has to fill out an I9 form for each employee. This
is a form provided by the Immigration and Naturalization Service and proves
the legal right to work in the U.S. Each employee must show proper
identification to fill this out--for a U.S. citizen that might be a U.S.
passport or drivers license and social security card. For a noncitizen that
could include a green card or passport with a work visa. Remind me to check
the list at work today of acceptable documents--I'm temporarily working for
the local U.S. Census office and we've been busy screening new applicants to
work. Never mind, it's online:  <A
HREF="http://www.census.gov/jobs2000/www/identification.html">Census 2000
Recruitment</A>  (alien registration card is a green card).
(http://www.census.gov/jobs2000/www/identification.html)
Even though this is on the Census 2000 site, these requirements are for ALL
employers in the U.S. I know this because I've had to fill out I9's for my
employees at a small non-profit.

--Laurie

(and yes, people live in Anaheim)
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- Wonderful to see Darkest Hour again, Erin.  It's such a great story.  You
asked for comments on your action scene --  I thought it was terrific --
spoiler space

- I really felt the sense of urgency in that chase through the woods.  It's
the detail you use that makes it work so well.  I liked the cave.  And of
course, the waffy contrast of L & C  at the end compared with the tension of
the chase was so touching.  Still, they're not of the woods yet, are they?
<g>
----------

- Connections:  Thanks, Kath & Charlotte for your encouragement. :)   Kath
wrote: <<Wondering how you're going to resolve this before he has to
leave...
:^)>> It's proving to be a challenge.:)   Thanks for spotting the typo.   &
Gerry wrote:  <<I'm surprised that Jesse didn't see more of the connection
between Lois and Clark.>>  I was trying to suggest  Jess was confused by
what
she detected between the two, partly as a way of suggesting that L & C are
at
this point confused.  Ah well.
-----------

- Baron Sunday: not one of my favourite eps:  The silliness of the wedding
plans made  Lois and Clark's relationship  seem silly, I thought,  and the
the search for the ring was a little over the top.  But then I loved his
putting it back on her finger. :)  The character of Baron Sunday made me
uncomfortable because I thought it was playing on a racial stereotype.
However, what I liked  a lot about this ep, as others have said, is the
focus
on Clark's past and on the trauma of his trip as an infant from Krypton.
Chris Mulder's fic, The Child Who Fell to Earth, played on this very
pognantly, and I made brief use of it in a story.
----

Anyone still reading? <g>  Carol
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Forwarding for LabRat, in order to spare the list twelve
copies of this <g> - seems it doesn't matter if my mailbox
gets twelve copies! (Just kidding, Rat, I promise!)

And I still don't agree with you, Rat! <g> But then, in
many ways you're far more American than you are a Brit (or
Scottish). You even *like* American spelling!

Wendy

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Wendy wrote:

> As for the wedding stuff in NoS, perhaps that's a
> transatlantic difference in humour? There have been a
> number of things in L&C which some people find hilarious
> but which leave me cold, I find. The wedding co-ordinator
> was one; the Wedding Destroyer and her sidekick another,
> and Katy the ghost and her friend (from Ghosts) another
> still.
>
Don't know if it's transatlantic, Wendy, because you've just described some
classic moments that have me rolling around the floor. <G>

> But then, if we were all the same, wouldn't life be boring?
> <g>

Amen to that!

LabRat :)

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From:         Yvonne Connell <yconnell@UKF.NET>
Subject:      Re: Baron Sunday

Me this time, not Labrat <g>

Coming in late to the discussion here...Hazel asked:
So I'm curious to know: why don't you like "Never on Sunday"

I like it for at least one thing: it revealed that Clark suffers from
claustrophobia, which is currently sitting on my 'ways to put Clark through
the wringer' list waiting for a story to go with it <bg>.  I know, I know,
I'm stuck in rut, theme-wise ;)

Otherwise, I'm with Wendy on Soul Mates.  I almost never watch it, because
of the cringe-worthy premise, awful sets, and terrible accents.  I suppose
mainly it's the part set in 'Merrie England' which embarrasses me most.
Also, how come they go back in time to another country for that bit, and
then the rest of the time they manage to stay in the States?

I do, however, love Family Hour.  One of my favourites scenes is in there,
when Clark is contemplating the crib in his dressing gown and Lois comes
downstairs to join him.  He acts it very well, IMO - no big gestures, just
small movements of his eyes and quietly-delivered lines.

Yvonne
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Hey Wendy!

Okay...let's see if we can improve those batting averages, shall we? Any
advance on 12?

Can you fwd for me, please? Ta!

BTW, I might ask Dawn to fwd these for me instead. She's volunteered and, so
far at least, I don't remember her saying that she's getting multiple copies
of whatever I send her. And you seem to be particularly afflicted, for some
reason. Pam, btw, didn't get multiple copies at all.

LabRat :)

Wendy wrote:

> Forwarding for LabRat, in order to spare the list twelve
> copies of this <g> - seems it doesn't matter if my mailbox
> gets twelve copies! (Just kidding, Rat, I promise!)
>
~~~See - that's what you get for volunteering. 12 copies? Wow - you just get
luckier and luckier, don'tcha? ;)~~~
~~~

> And I still don't agree with you, Rat! <g> But then, in
> many ways you're far more American than you are a Brit (or
> Scottish). You even *like* American spelling!

~~~Ah now, no. That's a vicious slur. <G> I never said I *liked* American
spelling. I don't *dislike* it, but I have very little feelings for it in
any sense. Same with UK spelling. As someone whose spelling is appalling and
who thanks all the gods (or Bill Gates, one of the the two) for the
invention of spellcheckers, I don't hold much emotional attachment to
anything remotely connected with spelling.~~~

What I *do* like is American slang. It's just so colourful. Always have,
since I was knee high to a grasshopper. <G> Been using American phrase since
I was in primary school. Usually much to the confusion of my friends and
classmates. ~~~
>
LabRat :)
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Forwarding again... Wendy

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Wendy wrote:

> Forwarding for LabRat, in order to spare the list twelve
> copies of this <g> - seems it doesn't matter if my mailbox
> gets twelve copies! (Just kidding, Rat, I promise!)
>
~~~See - that's what you get for volunteering. 12 copies? Wow - you just get
luckier and luckier, don'tcha? ;)~~~
~~~

> And I still don't agree with you, Rat! <g> But then, in
> many ways you're far more American than you are a Brit (or
> Scottish). You even *like* American spelling!

~~~Ah now, no. That's a vicious slur. <G> I never said I *liked* American
spelling. I don't *dislike* it, but I have very little feelings for it in
any sense. Same with UK spelling. As someone whose spelling is appalling and
who thanks all the gods (or Bill Gates, one of the the two) for the
invention of spellcheckers, I don't hold much emotional attachment to
anything remotely connected with spelling.~~~

What I *do* like is American slang. It's just so colourful. Always have,
since I was knee high to a grasshopper. <G> Been using American phrase since
I was in primary school. Usually much to the confusion of my friends and
classmates. ~~~
>
LabRat :)
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In a message dated 3/21/00 9:01:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
yconnell@UKF.NET
writes:

<< Also, how come they go back in time to another country for that bit, and
 then the rest of the time they manage to stay in the States? >>

Probably because there were no non-Native Americans in the "States" during
the Middle Ages <g>.  sorry, couldn't resist.

Kate
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:09:19 PST, Marilyn Puett <no1supermom@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>Not sure about Russian/Soviet, but I have a Lithuanian aquaintance whose
>last name is Smit.
>
>SuperMom
>
I was actually thinking along the lines of...

In Amrica Smith is a common last name.
In China Chang or Ching is a common last name.
I was just wondering what the common last name would be among the former
Soviet Union stats.

James
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Subject: OT: A few questions

> 3. How much money does a waitress make in the USA? And is she usually
> paid weekly or monthly?

As someone who works as a waitress to make money for college...
It's a little different depending on where you are and where you work. In
places
such as New York City I know you get paid a lot more (or so they say). In my
experience, for your average restaurant/whatever you get paid minimum wage
(or a
bit more if you get a raise) and hope for good tips (I live for rich people
who
want to impress their table companions :). In an evening I usually get
around
$300 in tips, but I hear that some places get around $100 only (I work in a
more
upscale place). And I've gotten paid weekly everywhere I've been (the
turnover
rate is so huge too, which makes weekly paying a better idea probably).
Does that help? I believe minimum wage is something around $5.14 (it's been
a
while since I switched jobs so I'm not sure what it is anymore).

Rachel
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> Small weddings have nothing to do with commitment, guys!  My wedding had
three
> people at it besides the minister, my fiance and me--my aunt, uncle and a
> friend.  On the other hand, we're coming up on our 27th anniversary in
April!

Nan
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Zuev...  Ivanovna....  borivitch...

somethign like that.

alli
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> Hey Wendy!
>
> Can you fwd for me, please? Ta!
>

Well, it was bound to happen, wasn't it? Sigh. Yes, I hit reply and forgot
to change the eddress. Sorry, guys!

This, however, may have been a stroke of serendipity. Because - in the midst
of having a coronary over how many copies of that post were going to turn up
on the list - I discovered that the clever little list refused to post them.
<G> Instead it sent the multiple copies back to *me*, rejecting them because
the post had already gone through once. Which means....I hope....that I can
post to the list direct even with my server problems and there should be no
glitches to annoy anyone.

I know what you're thinking. Yes, when I said it was serendipity, I meant
for me. You guys are probably less lucky since this means I can bore you
rigid entirely off my own bat now. ;) Wendy, Yvonne...you're off the hook.
And thanks for the help.

LabRat :)
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The wages for waiting tables depends on a lot of factors.  Remember that
minimum wage for part time is not the same as minimum wage for full time,
and waitresses very often work only part time, plus they tend to get really
low wages anyways with the expectation that they will make it up in tips.
I don't know how much part time minimum wage is, but it's usually about
half of full time.  And then of course you either have to tip the busboys
(or girls), or the restaurant makes you pool your tips and everyone,
kitchen help included, gets a piece of the pie.  And of course, now tips
are taxable income and even if they don't make a 15% tip they get taxed
that much.... and of course you have to make sure that no one scoops up
your tip and tells you that you got stiffed.

I got paid twice a month when I was a waitress; but it probably depends on
the place.  When I worked at a convenience store I was paid weekly.

cerise
who waitressed, hostessed, and bussed tables in in a chinese restaurant for
a long time, too long--and never, ever wants to go back to food service.  :)

cerise

At 10:05 AM 03/21/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Nicole Wolke <NKWolke@EIFEL-NET.NET>
>To: <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 6:38 AM
>Subject: OT: A few questions
>
>
>> 3. How much money does a waitress make in the USA? And is she usually
>> paid weekly or monthly?
>
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:05:48 -0500 No Name Available
<cndcherry@MINDSPRING.COM> wrote:

> The wages for waiting tables depends on a lot of factors.  Remember that
> minimum wage for part time is not the same as minimum
> wage for full time, [snip]

Replying with my academic hat on here - there are different
rates for part-time and full-time?  Is this different
*hourly* rates? How can that be justified?

In the European Community, twenty years ago the European
Court ruled that differential hourly rates for part-timers
and full-timers was sex discrimination given that a far
greater proportion of part-time workers are women. I'd have
thought, given US anti-discrimination laws, the same
principle would apply.

Wendy

----------------------
Wendy Richards
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> > 3. How much money does a waitress make in the USA? And is she usually
> > paid weekly or monthly?
>
> In my
> experience, for your average restaurant/whatever you get paid minimum wage
(or a
> bit more if you get a raise) and hope for good tips (I live for rich
people who
> want to impress their table companions :).
> I believe minimum wage is something around $5.14 (it's been a
> while since I switched jobs so I'm not sure what it is anymore).

Wow!  The waitresses in Craig should move en masse to wherever you are,
Rachel.  In Colorado, it's perfectly legal to pay waitresses less than
minimum wage, on the assumption that a 15% tip will make up the difference.
So their tips (and we're talking little cafes and such, where 15% of a small
tab is . . . not much) mostly go toward making minimum wage, not anything
above it.

Hopefully, that isn't the situation in California.  Nicole, Anaheim is a
small city, and Disneyland is only a tiny piece of it, so there are lots of
motels, restaurants, stores, etc.  How far from LA?  Do you mean how far is
it from where LAFF will be held?  It's at least 50 miles away from Burbank
on the Interstate 5 freeway (metro LA is *huge*), and that's a long trip
because of the traffic and all the accidents that slow down the traffic
flow.  When we stayed in Anaheim on one trip to California, it took us over
2 hours to get to Universal Studios (which is about 5 minutes from the
Beverly Garland Holiday Inn)--but there was an accident that slowed the
traffic flow to stop-and-go for quite awhile.

Sheila
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Wendy said:
>Replying with my academic hat on here - there are different
>rates for part-time and full-time?  Is this different
>*hourly* rates? How can that be justified?

In the state of Colorado, there is no difference in minimum wage for full
time employees vs. part time employees.  The minimum wage here is 5.15/hr
for full time and part time.

Becky

>In the European Community, twenty years ago the European
>Court ruled that differential hourly rates for part-timers
>and full-timers was sex discrimination given that a far
>greater proportion of part-time workers are women. I'd have
>thought, given US anti-discrimination laws, the same
>principle would apply.
>
>
>Wendy
>
>----------------------
>Wendy Richards
>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk

rbain@uswest.net

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Hi Nicole:  Anaheim, LA, and Malibu are now just one big megalopolis
connected by a system of freeways that are almost always choked with
traffic.  Malibu is on the ocean, Anaheim is inland and LA is in between.
In terms of mileage, from Malibu across LA to Anaheim is probably only abut
30 miles, if that much.  In terms of time, because of the traffic, more like
a couple of hours. (LA area residents can correct me on that one)

I used to live in Anaheim about a mile from Disneyland when it and I were
young.  Believe it or not there was an Anaheim before there was a
Disneyland.  It was a nice little sleepy town with all the amenities that
towns have.  Then they built Disneyland and Anaheim Stadium, where the
Anaheim Angels played baseball and, as they say, Growth Happened.  Jude

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> 4. I also have a few questions about "Anaheim": How far is it from LA
> and how far from Malibu? Is there anything else, but Disney located
> there, like Motels, Bars, Shops etc. and are there people living in
> Anaheim?
>
> I would really appreciate your help! Thank you!
> Nicole
> --
> AKA CKgroupie on IRC
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>
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Erin,

I just LOVED your latest installments!!!
S

P

O

I

L

E

R

S

P

A

C

E

I was sooooo relieved to see Lois and Clark get out of there!!  You are so
descriptive,
that I felt as I were out there in those woods with them.  I breathed a sigh
of relief
towards the end, knowing that they were hidden, but I just hope it stays
that way!  If I
have to see Trask rough up Lois and Clark again, I might just scream!!!  :-)

You are doing such a great job Erin!  Keep up kthe good work!  I can't wait
to see how
this ends!

Lori
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I wrote:
>> I also didn't like how Clark was acting, like a stereotypical
>> male, wanting hot dogs of all things, at his wedding. The episode
presents
>a
>> poor picture of Clark as a "typical guy"- commitment-phobic and willing
to
>> dump the wedding plans off on the women.

Sheila responded:
>I didn't see Clark's desire for those little hot dog hors
>d'oevers as being a "stereotypical male."  I didn't see his behavior in any
>way as commitment-phobic, maybe because I don't think a desire for a small
>wedding shows a want of commitment.  And I didn't feel that he was dumping
>the wedding plans off on the women.

I didn't mean to say that wanting a small wedding is commitment-phobic. I
saw
Clark as not taking a great interest in what Ellen and Beverly were saying,
and therefore not commiting to anything in regards to the wedding. I thought
the mini hot dog comment as the writers' attempt at a joke for Clark, but
I'll
have to rewatch the ep with the other interpretations in mind. Maybe I'll
like
those scenes more...

>He made it pretty clear that he didn't
>want the kind of wedding that Ellen was planning and that he had thought
>Lois felt the same way, so his behavior was more of a protest against
>someone else taking over the wedding he and Lois had been working on
>together for several eps.

I remember Lois and Clark making a few comments about the wedding while
window-shopping, but I can't remember much else in terms of plans they had
set
prior to Ellen's take-over of the wedding. But if I'm wrong and they had
planned things out prior to Ellen, that puts a different slant on things.
Not
only is Ellen butting in, but she's being extra-rude in disregarding their
plans. I heard recently on a TV show about self-defense that anyone who
disregards it when you say "no" is trying to control you, be it a potential
predator or a "friend." Interesting that Ellen seems to fit into this
category.

Wendy wrote:
<< Replying with my academic hat on here - there are different rates for
part-time and full-time?  Is this different *hourly* rates? How can that be
justified? >>

This isn't the case in Ohio. It's true that waitresses get paid squat and
try
to make up the difference in tips, but minimum wage is minimum wage. I have
a
friend who's worked the same job full-time over the summer and part-time
during the school year and gotten the same hourly rate.

Christy
kubitc@kenyon.edu

anonymous computer haiku:

Three things are certain:
Death, taxes, and lost data.
Guess which has occurred.
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Thank you so much!!!  I sang along and had a grand time:)

Carolyn

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Wendy said:
>my least watched episodes are NoS, Soulmates (yuck!), Toy Story and Family
>Hour

and then Alexis said:
>OMG! You don't like Soul Mates!?!  That ep is one of my favorite eppys of
>Lois and Clark and I never, ever, ever get sick of watching it. ;)

Oh yea, finally!!  Someone who agrees with me.  I HATE Soul Mates and can't
stand watching any part of this ep except for the last few minutes <eg>.
I've never admitted this because I know (and have never understood) that it
is hugely popular and has inspired a great deal of discussion and many
fics.  I find it totally unbelievable and embarrassing as well.  It just
completely turns me off.  I'm thrilled that such a wonderful writer as
Wendy actually shares my view on this - maybe I'm not quite so crazy as I
thought!
Terry
P.S. Happy Purim!!!
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Terry, you're not the only one who agrees with Wendy.
Soulmates is not my absolute least favourite episode -
I think that would be Ghosts - but it ranks right up
there for me.

Irene

--- "Terry S. Horowit" <horowit@UMIACS.UMD.EDU> wrote:
> Wendy said:
> >my least watched episodes are NoS, Soulmates
> (yuck!), Toy Story and Family
> >Hour
>
> and then Alexis said:
> >OMG! You don't like Soul Mates!?!  That ep is one
> of my favorite eppys of
> >Lois and Clark and I never, ever, ever get sick of
> watching it. ;)
>
>
> Oh yea, finally!!  Someone who agrees with me.  I
> HATE Soul Mates and can't
> stand watching any part of this ep except for the
> last few minutes <eg>.
> I've never admitted this because I know (and have
> never understood) that it
> is hugely popular and has inspired a great deal of
> discussion and many
> fics.  I find it totally unbelievable and
> embarrassing as well.  It just
> completely turns me off.  I'm thrilled that such a
> wonderful writer as
> Wendy actually shares my view on this - maybe I'm
> not quite so crazy as I
> thought!
> Terry
> P.S. Happy Purim!!!
>

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>This isn't the case in Ohio. It's true that waitresses >get paid squat and
try
> to make up the difference in tips, but minimum wage is >minimum wage. I
have a
> friend who's worked the same job full-time over the >summer and part-time
> during the school year and gotten the same hourly rate.

Christy's right... I work full time at my job in the summer and part time
during the school year (I used to make minimum wage until I was promoted to
assistant manager just this week) and I made the same amount both times.  Oh
and min wage is 5.15/hour.

Alicia
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Thank you very much to everyone who helped me with my questions! You guys
have
been very helpful! I'm still fighting my way through the whole immigration
and
work-permission issue, but thanks to Laurie I learned enough already to know
that I have to find a way to avoid getting too deep into most of it in my
story
<g>. I'm not sure how to solve the problem I have yet, but I'm working on it
:-)

Glad to hear that Anaheim is a little town. It sounds just like the ideal
location I need for my heroine <g>.

Nicole
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Rose wrote:

<<The idea of Clark recognizing Lois by the sound of her heartbeat has been
in several fanfics, but was it ever presented in the show?  There are some
things about LnC that I've accepted simply because it occurred so often in
stories!  Now I can no longer remember if these things are from stories or
the show itself!  Thanks! >>

Hey, Rose.  Now I'm beginning to question it... LOL.  Okay, I am about 99%
sure it was never brought up on the show, unless it's in one of those 4th
season episodes I've been avoiding lately ;)
molly
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Comments: To: Allison Tyler <Sarrasri1@AOL.COM>

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:08:51 EST, Allison Tyler <Sarrasri1@AOL.COM> wrote:

>Zuev...  Ivanovna....  borivitch...

Zuev....

I like it.

You don't happen to know what it means do you?

I know that Ivanovna means Daughter of Ivan and Borivitch means Son of
Bori(s).

James
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In a message dated 3/21/00 6:52:15 AM EST, yconnell@UKF.NET writes:

<< ~~~Oh, and those shots of Clark's chest didn't get zapped along the way
 either. ;) That scene made up for a whole lot of hokum, I can tell you. ~~~

 LabRat :)
  >>

LOL! I completely agree with you on that one, Lab! <VBEG>  Especially the
first scene of the show...yes Clark did have a nightmare ;(  but the shot of
him on the bed was very nice.

Alexis ;-.)

"Lois Lane, Clark Kent."  Perry, (LnC), THE PILOT.
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In a message dated 3/21/00 9:01:49 AM EST, yconnell@UKF.NET writes:

<< Otherwise, I'm with Wendy on Soul Mates.  I almost never watch it,
because
 of the cringe-worthy premise, awful sets, and terrible accents.  I suppose
 mainly it's the part set in 'Merrie England' which embarrasses me most.
 Also, how come they go back in time to another country for that bit, and
 then the rest of the time they manage to stay in the States? >>

I completely understand why you would be embarrassed. I mean I have seen
shows that have used things or done things with the states that have
embarrassed me.  But in this case, I just keep in mind that Lois and Clark
is
a fantasy show...and i ignore the bad accents and such...I just try to enjoy
the show for what it was.  I was just happy that it kept my attention and
that I was able to forget about all of my troubles for at least an hour on a
Sunday night. =)

Alexis ;-.)

"Lois Lane, Clark Kent."  Perry, (LnC), THE PILOT.
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From:         Nancy Smith <deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Anaheim isn't a little town anymore, Nicole.  It's just part of the
sprawling
megalopolis that is Los Angeles.  40 years ago it was a little town, when
Disneyland
was new.  I was there as a kid.  It's grown a lot, since.  If you want a
little town
in California, I can name a few, but they're some distance from Los Angeles.

Nan

Nicole Wolke wrote:

> Thank you very much to everyone who helped me with my questions! You guys
have
> been very helpful! I'm still fighting my way through the whole immigration
and
> work-permission issue, but thanks to Laurie I learned enough already to
know
> that I have to find a way to avoid getting too deep into most of it in my
story
> <g>. I'm not sure how to solve the problem I have yet, but I'm working on
it :-)
>
> Glad to hear that Anaheim is a little town. It sounds just like the ideal
> location I need for my heroine <g>.
>
> Nicole
> --
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>
> Are you always searching for news about Dean Cain?
> And don't you have the time to go and find them?
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Nicole I think I misled you.  Anaheim used to be a little town.  Now it is a
big city with hotels, motels, restaurants, offices high rises, apartments,
homes etc...  Once upon a time it was a little town on the other side of
Dairy Valley from LA.  Dairy Valley is gone now too.  Jude
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> > Glad to hear that Anaheim is a little town. It sounds just like the
ideal
> location I need for my heroine <g>.
>
> Nicole
> --
> AKA CKgroupie on IRC
> NKWolke@eifel-net.net
>
> Are you always searching for news about Dean Cain?
> And don't you have the time to go and find them?
> Here's your solution: Go to "The Dean Cain News Page"
> http://members.tripod.de/CKgroupie/
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Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:00:42 EST
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in answer to question number 4:
I live in Malibu and I am about an hour and thirty minutes from Anaheim,
depending upon traffic. Anaheim does have different places to hang out at,
many hotels around the area and there are also some clubs and bars.There are
also some residential areas, but I wouldn't say that they are near
disneyland ....hope that helps......and now i return to lurking......
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Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:28:46 -0700
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> Glad to hear that Anaheim is a little town. It sounds just like the ideal
> location I need for my heroine <g>.

Nicole, it depends on how you define town.  In the 1990 census, Anaheim was
over a quarter of a million people (266,000).  Malibu, on the other hand,
was just 10,000.

Sheila
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<<3. How much money does a waitress make in the USA?
And is she usually paid weekly or monthly?>>

My roommate was a waitress last semester.  I believe
she made somewhere around $2 an hour plus tips.  Tips
a night ususally went between $40 - $90, depending on
the tables and how busy it was, etc.  On how often she
got paid . . .she would get to bring the tips home
every night and would get the $2/hr either weekly or
bi-weekly.  That all depends on the billing program
the company has.  Hope this helps!
~Jocelyn

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Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:24:30 -0800
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Subject:      Soul Mates and other eps
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Sorry guys, but I have to defend Soul Mates.  Yes, it had terrible attempts
at English accents by people who can't do accents. Perry's attempts at
anything other than his native tongue always ended in the dumpster. He was
supposed to be able to 'parlez vous francais un peu' but he couldn't even
pronounce tete a tete correctly.  But the merrie olde England  bit was a
great send up of an old Hollywood movie genre called the swashbuckler in
which anyone with any kind of a 'foreign' accent played any kind of foreign
national.  Hollywood definitely had a tin ear in those days as well as being
completely un-P.C.  The Western segment was fun too because it played off of
old cowboy movie stereotypes.  But as Sheila said, we each bring our own
experiences to the enjoyment of these eps, and that makes it okay for you to
dislike what I like and vice versa.

I dislike NOS and Forget Me Not equally and never watch my tapes of either.
OTOH I loved the clone wedding trilogy but hated the last 2 eps of the 5 ep
arc.  I thought the Clois thing was very creative, but the amnesia was a
drawn out bummer.  Okay this is too long.  Bye now.  Jude
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From:         Genine Murray <SuperGem4@AOL.COM>
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In a message dated 3/21/00 12:43:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, erink@IDA.NET
writes:

> LOL!  Okay, okay, to prove that shameless begging really *is* effective
<g>,
>  I've finally managed to make some time to finish the next two
installments
> of
>  'The Darkest Hour.'  Thanks to all of you who keep begging for more,
since
I'
> d
>  never get it finished if it weren't for you!  ;)
>
>  Keep in mind, these next two installments are VERY hot off the presses,
not
>  even having been beta read yet.  So if I've missed some plot points or
> grammar
>  items, please let me know and I'll get them fixed ASAP.  I just wanted to
> rush
>  these installments off to you guys before I go into labor or something.
<g>
>  Also, this is my first time writing action scenes, so I'd be happy to
take
>  advice on how to better the action segments.  ;)
>
>  Hope you like them!
>
>  Erin  :)
>

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!  :)  Sorry, didn't mean to shout,
but I'm really quite giddy right now.  <bg>  Seriously Erin, I know how
swamped you must be.  You're amazing!  I didn't really expect to get more so
soon, but believe me, I'm not complaining!  ;)

Genine (off to get my DH fix <vbg>)
SuperGem4@aol.com
SuperGEM on IRC
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From:         Gerry Anklewicz <Gerry_Anklewicz@NYNET.NYBE.ON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Russian - question
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LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU writes:
>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:08:51 EST, Allison Tyler <Sarrasri1@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
>>Zuev...  Ivanovna....  borivitch...
>
>Zuev....
>
>I like it.
>
>You don't happen to know what it means do you?
>
>I know that Ivanovna means Daughter of Ivan and Borivitch means Son of
>Bori(s).
>
>James

I work with a lot of Russian people and I don't remember hearing Zuev at
all.  The "ov" ending is typical ending.  Sort of like "son" in Jackson or
Anderson.
The "vitch" ending is a Polish rather than Russian ending.  It also means
"son of"
Gerry
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From:         "Alexis W." <LoisLane9397@AOL.COM>
Subject:      "ADITLOM" (RPG) Twenty-second Installment, Week #23 (Part 1 of
1)
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This is the twenty-second installment of my rpg on yahoo called, "A Day
in=20
the Life of Metropolis."  For more information, please go to: <A=20
HREF=3D"http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/adayinthelifeofmetropolis">Yahoo!
Clubs=
=20
adayinthelifeofmetropolis</A>=20

Public and private feedback is more than welcomed! =3D)

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Cast List

Clark Kent : Alexis W. (that's me!)
Lois Lane: Alexis W.
Cat Grant: Renda
Perry White: Renda
Mayson Drake: Renda
Anya Starr: Tabitha
Batman: Sam F.
Sam Falcon: Sam F.
Jimmy Olsen: Tina T.
Nightwing: Dave

* * * *
WEEK #23
(3/13 to 3/19)

Re: Jaws of Life! And Baby!

Diego looked at the swaying car and turned to Catherine. "We have to be=20
careful getting them out of that car. It is unstable." Cat nodded and=20
replied. "I am smaller than you, perhaps I should crawl over and put the=20
harness on the Ambassador's wife." Diego frowned. "No Catherine! I'll do=20
it." Cat put her hand on his arm. "Diego, now is not the time for=20
chilvary! The logical plan is for the lighter person to enter that=20
swaying car." Diego looked up at her and started to argue. "Diego, we=20
don't have time to argue." Cat said and sprang across to the car. As she=20
landed it swayed and moaned. The Ambassador's wife screamed in pain and=20
almost chocked Cat to death as a contraction hit her. Cat managed to pry=20
her hands off of her neck and reassure her that everyone would be fine.
Diego watched the elevator car dangling by a thread. "Princess, I=20
suggest that you get that harness around her and get out of there now!"=20
Cat nodded she managed to get the harness around the lady and then with=20
one motion she swung her out to Diego. Then Cat turned to the Ambassador=20
and placed a harness around him, he smiled and pushed off and landed=20
clear of the elevator. Cat then jumped off the car just at the cable=20
broke and the car fell and crashed into the lower basement. "Whew! That=20
was close." Cat said aloud. Diego reached out and rubbed her cheek. "Are=20
you okay?" Cat nodded yes. Then the lady screamed in pain again. "Diego,=20
we have a baby to deliver!" Diego turned white, but nodded in agreement.=20
He had called the medics and the fire personnel but they had their=20
hands full with the injured. "Yes Catherine it is up to us to see that
this=20
baby gets here okay!" Cat smiled and thought to herself. *Who would=20
have thought that Diego and I would be on a ledge with a pregnant lady=20
ready to deliver at any moment?* Cat shook her head and assisted the=20
lady with breathing and trying to calm her down.
>tbc<

* * * *
Jimmy

"Who was in the van?" Batman asked.
Jimmy held tightly onto Batman's arms in hopes of not falling back down=20
to the ground. What happened? And what the heck was he doing here?
Batman was asking him all sorts of questions and all Jimmy could do was=20
blink his eyes. He was having problems focusing on the things=20
surrounding him.  "I don't know Batman...I really don't remember..."

"Take it easy, you were tossed out of the van pretty hard. If I could=20
get the attention of one of the paramedics, I could go after them."=20

"I=92m sorry Batman but I don't recall ever knowing their names. Right=20
now what I need to do is find out if Lucy's ok." Jimmy wondered off in=20
search for Lucy.

"L U C Y"
"L U C y"
"L U C Y"
Jimmy wondered where she could be and he was worried about her
>tbc<=20

* * * *
Re: Anya and Batgirl

"Well I climbed out of the elevator I was stuck in. Climbed the cables=20
until a rather nasty aftershock jarred the life out of me and made me=20
lose my grip and I fell," Anya said simply. She examined her scratched=20
arms she received from her fall both other then the scratches and a dull=20
pain that came from her hip when she landed she was fine. She'd always=20
did have a way of coming out of trouble with just a few scratches. "I=92m=20
fine, really. Although I think my roommate's gonna kill when she see's=20
what I've done to her dress," she said looking down at the torn dress=20
with an odd expression on her face.=20

Batgirl smiled. "I'm sure she'll understand. I'm just glad you're okay.=20
C'mon... we'll get a medic to take a look at you."=20
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Sam and Nightwing

Dick moved to take Sam's hand. He hesitated at first, but he could feel=20
how passionate the young woman was about what she had just said.=20
"Well... I'm certainly no expert," Dick said, ruefully. "But I would=20
think that if you love him so much, and he loves you, maybe you can make=20
it work." Nightwing looked away. "I do think, however, one has to give.=20
Bruce can't be Batman and love you at the same time, it will tear him=20
apart."  *Clark's not fairing so well either,* Dick thought.=20
"
I hope he can still be Batman, I know how much he needs it. That night=20
will always haunt him.
 >tbc<

* * * *
Cat phones the medics

Cat phoned the medics to see how much longer they would be in assisting=20
with the Ambassador's wife and her impending motherhood. She also asked=20
how Lucy Lane was and if Jimmy Olsen had been found. Hanging up the=20
phone she looked at Diego. "Well, for now we are on our on. Since you=20
and I have both had field training in emergency medical procedures it's=20
up to us to help bring this bundle of joy into the world." Diego nodded=20
and smiled. "Catherine, you know every time we get together something=20
big happens!" Cat slapped his shoulder playfully. "Are you trying to=20
tell me that I=92m a jinx?" "No Princess, you are a jinx." They laughed=20
and relieved some stress. The Ambassador's wife screamed in pain again=20
and clutched Diego's hand until he winced in pain. "My Lady, I need my=20
hand. You and your baby well be all right." She looked at him and smiled=20
and with broken English replied. "I think I die!" "No, Marjolaine you=20
are only having your baby, not dying." Cat told her and smiled.
Diego looked at Catherine and whispered in her ear. "If help doesn't get=20
here soon, she may die. The baby hasn't turned." Cat nodded. "I know=20
Diego, we may have to manually turn the babe." Diego looked horrified.=20
"Oh now don't go getting all queasy on me!" Cat told him. *Jesus! Men=20
get so sick when faced with a simple thing like the birth of a baby!*=20
Cat thought to herself as she helped Marjolaine through another pain.
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Re: Cat phones the medics

The medics phoned Cat to let her know that they were on their way to=20
rescue the Dutch Ambassador and his wife. Cat smiled and told Diego that=20
help was on its way. Marjolaine was scared but she looked relieved when=20
Cat smiled and patted her hand.

The medics arrived and they hoisted up a gurney for Marjolaine. Diego=20
and Cat placed her on the gurney and then carefully hoisted it downwards=20
to the medics below. Then they put the Ambassador in a harness and=20
lowered him to safety.

Diego put his arms around Cat and said to her. "It is times like these=20
that make me thankful for family and the love that I was raised in." Cat=20
nuzzled her face in his chest. "Diego, I hope the child is all right."=20
Diego smiled and said. "Well the Mother and child have a fighting chance=20
now."

"Well shall we look for more trapped people?" Cat nodded and they walked=20
hand in hand down the corridor looking for signs of life.

"You know Catherine, when this is over I want you to come with me to the=20
Islands for some down time and a time to get to know each other all over=20
again!" Cat kissed him and replied, "That sounds like a perscription to=20
me."=20
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Sam and Nightwing

Dick frowned. "Well... things like that, you don't forget." His=20
thought wandered again to the night...  He shook his head.
"How did you and Bruce meet anyway? You never really told me. I know you=20
knew each other in college."=20

Sam looked off to the side and quietly said, "Yeah, something like that=20
is very hard to forget. Memories can be so dangerous . . .make you hate=20
people you shouldn't." She closed her eyes. "They can hurt so much." She=20
takes a deep breath and then looks up again.  "We, Bruce and I,literally.
ra=
n=20
into each other.  I fell, in more ways than one. He wasn't as fast as he
is=20
now, but he caught me."=20

"Did something like that happen to you, Sam?" Dick looked into her eyes.

"Not exactly. No one died, but . . .it was . . . if the two people who=20
showed up, hadn't have, I might not be here right now . . .."=20
=20
Dick looked puzzled. "I don't understand... what do you mean?"=20
 She started running her hand up and down her leg. "I was walking to the=20
bus stop and walked around this corner . . .there was this guy there and=20
he started trying to talk to me." She stoppedand took a deep breath. Her=20
hand stopped. "He grabbed me . . .I was lucky to get away.=20

"Did you report it to the police?" Dick asked.=20
 "Yeah. It was a long time ago though. It definately changed my=20
perspective on some things. I won't ever be able to forget it, to forget=20
him. His features have faded over the years, but there are some details=20
about him that will always stand out in my mind. The place will always=20
stand out. It doesn't exist any more, but it did for a long time and I=20
used to walk by it . . .around the corner where I met him and I . . .I=20
never froze . . .it was awkward. The worse part of it was how naive I=20
was at the time. I probably could have gotten away sooner, but I was too=20
damn scared. Hmm," she kind of laughed. "I had no guts back then."=20
=20
Dick looked at her, concern apparent in his features. "Did you ever tell=20
Bruce all of this?"=20

"No, it's not something I usually talk about. It's embarrassing. I look=20
back on it and can't believe I didn't do more . . .I really don't like=20
talking about those days, for various reasons. I have a lot of bad=20
memories from that time."=20
 >tbc<

* * * *
Perry and Mayson

Perry White finished up some editing business for the Planet and then=20
turned to Mayson Drake. "Well slap my face and call me Elvis! I don't=20
know about you Mayson, but I am going to call Cat and see what the Sam=20
Houston is going on!" Mayson laughed at Perry's color=20
metaphors and=20
replied. "I think that is a hound dog of an idea!" Perry looked up and=20
smiled. "I guess being an ole boy from Atlanta shows up sometimes in my=20
phrases. "Yes but it is wonderful Perry!"

Perry dialed Catherine's cell number and waited for her to answer. "Cat=20
here." "Uh hi Cat it's Perry what in the name of Davey Crocket is going=20
on there?" Cat laughed and replied. "Well, the Dutch Ambassador's wife=20
decided to go into labor in an elevator so he should be a Daddy soon.=20
Diego and myself are still searching for trapped people, and Ramone is=20
assisting with other searches. It is really quite here just now."=20
"Okay hon, now you keep us posted." "Will do Chief!"
Perry hung up the phone and turned to Mayson. "You know, I think we are=20
missing all the fun. "And the danger Perry, don't forget the danger."
>tbc<=20

* * * *
Re: Perry and Mayson

Anya quickly declined Batgirl's offer. She grabbed her camera and took a=20
few pictures of the people clearing the building. In the middle of=20
taking a picture she lowered her camera and wondered about Dick
She joined some of the others outside the building hoping if he was=20
all right.
 >tbc<

* * * *
Re: Lois and Clark

Lois and Clark sat on the edge of the sidewalk. They looked like a=20
couple of kids who had been shut out at a baseball game.

"Not exactly how you expected to spend your first night in Gotham huh?"
"No...not exactly..." Lois laughed sarcastically as she moved a pepple=20
around with her foot. "I mean where the heck is Superman when we need=20
him?" she complained.

Clark gulped.
"Superman is our friend and he's not here. Tell me Clark why do you=20
think he's holding out on us? Why do you think he's acting like we don't=20
exist?"

"Uh..."
Before Clark could come up with some excuse, a black limo pulled up.
*Saved by the limo!* Clark whispered under his breath.
The side window of the limo lowered and out popped Alfred's head.
"Alfred?!?" the reporting pair exclaimed in unision.
"Yes sir and ma'am. Master Bruce has sent me here. He wants to invite=20
the both of you to stay at the Manor this evening. Miss Lane will find=20
her sister Lucy there. Lucy sustained some moderate injuries."

"What???" Lois exclaimed.
"Oh don't worry Miss Lane, Lucy is at the Manor right now getting=20
treatment from the paramedics. There are so many people in the hospitals=20
due to this tragedy that there is not enough room. Master Bruce is=20
extending that invitation to you and your closest friends. So please get=20
in and I will drive you directly there. Master Bruce should be there=20
slightly after. He has some business to attend to right now.

Lois and Clark looked at each other and decided to get into the limo=20
that would take them back to Wayne Manor.
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Sam and Nightwing

"God I don't want to talk about this any more . . .somebody, help!"=20
 >tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
In the Limo

Clark was enjoying the feeling of Lois' body up against his when he=20
heard a female voice yelling for help.

"Alfred, can you turn the car around? I think I left something back at=20
the Observatory."

"Certainly sir."
"Clark!"
"Lois, it's okay. I'll only be a few minutes..."
Alfred quickly drove back to the Observatory. Before Lois could tell=20
Clark he was nuts for going back into the building, he was gone.
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Re: In the Limo

"Alfred...why is Clark so dumb? I mean the building is clearly going to=20
fall to pieces and my idiot partner goes running in there like he's=20
Superman or something!"

"Miss Lane, I wouldn't exactly call Mr. Kent stupid, risky...yes, but=20
stupid no."

"I don't know...all I can say is that one of these days that man's going=20
to get himself killed!"
~~~~~~~~~
Clark ran back into the Observatory. He heard the voice again. It was=20
coming from the elevators...the elevators that we're only hanging by a=20
cable.

"Shoot!" he exclaimed as he quickly flew up to the broken cable. He cut=20
the rest of the cable with his heat vision and with his other hand he=20
carefully lowered it to the ground.

Clark used his x-ray vision to look inside. He saw Sam and Nightwing.=20
Both of them looked disgusted with the other one. *Oh boy...Bruce is=20
going to have a fit if he finds out about this one. But I don't think=20
I'll stick around to find out.*
>tbc<
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Re: Sam and Nightwing

Dick stepped back, startled. "Jeez Sam, calm down! I'm right here.=20
Nothing's going to happen to you. I'm not sure what's going on, what=20
happened to you, but I won't let you get hurt." Nightwing turned to face=20
the cabin wall. "You think this is easy for me? I'm not even sure what=20
to think about you!!"=20
>tbc<

* * * *
Re: Perry and Mayson

Perry looked at Mayson and said. "I think we should get one of Grant=20
Industries limos and go back to the Observatory!" Mayson nodded in=20
agreement.

Perry and Mayson got into the limo and headed back to the Observatory.=20
"Perry, you know they are going to kill us for doing this." Perry=20
smiled. "Yes, but you know we are just like Elvis. We never run from=20
danger!"
>tbc<

* * * *
Diego and Cat caught on shakey stairwell

Diego and Cat made their way to a questionable stairwell. They both=20
started up the stairs when the thing gave way and the floor fell leaving=20
them dangling on the shakey steps. "Diego, this is not good!" Cat=20
said as she clung to him. He kissed her lips and said. "Stay very=20
still while I look for a sturdy place to throw my rope." Cat nodded=20
slightly.
>tbc<=20

* * * *
Re: Sam and Nightwing

"Sorry, I don't like being in something that has the potential to fall.=20
I've had one too many of those falling dreams; I'm not very fond of=20
heights either. If the cable decides to break how much time will you=20
have to react? I don't quite understand what the problem is, but you=20
have always seemed a bit edgy with me."=20
=20
Dick sighed. "Look, I'm not 'edgy' around you... you just make me a=20
bit... nervous, okay? Dick could feel the anger boiling up in him again.=20
"Why can't you just leave me alone?! I'm not going to like you, you=20
can't do it!!"=20
=20
"Not edgy? Yeah, right. If you think it's just being nervous, then=20
you're dead wrong. I know what being nervous is. Coming to this thing=20
with Bruce made me nervous . . .. Fine, if you want me to leave you=20
alone I'd be more than happy to do that! Stay out of my way too!" She=20
moved to the doors. "Open d*mn it!" She looked at him. "What in the h*ll=20
do you mean I can't do it? I don't recall trying to do anything . .=20
.except, I want to get out of here." She turned back to the doors and=20
leaned on them slightly. *I need to calm down, but it's so hard. I don't=20
understand what his problem is. Why do I even care? . . .I want to fit=20
in, at least partially, but . . .god this is so frustrating.* She hit=20
her fist on the door. *Okay, keep your temper in check. Try to get out=20
of here. I wonder if being trapped in here is part of the problem, I've=20
never been clausterphobic, but there's always a first time for=20
everything . . ..* She stuck her fingers in the crack and tried to pry=20
them apart.

"No, wait, Mom! What are you doing?!?!" Dick's eyes widened at the=20
realization of what he said. "I... I'm sorry..." His voice trailed off=20
to a whisper. "I don't know why I said that."
>tbc<

* * * *
Look for Week #24 coming to a PC near you! =3D)

Enjoy!

Alexis ;-.)
{"ADITLOM" arbitrator/editor}

"Lois Lane, Clark Kent."  Perry, (LnC), THE PILOT.

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Wendy, you may very well be right.  I should have checked for more current
information; I am just remembering that during the stage in my life (read,
starving college student) when I waitressed, this was the case.  Though it
did depend on the job market--if there were more jobs than people, of
course then the pay was higher.  I just remember that I was making a whole
whopping $4.15 an hour at my waitressing job, and my friend moved to
Colorado and got a waitressing job that paid only $2.05 an hour.  Yes, and
this was *this* century!  I'm thinking it was early 90's.

and then I joined the military and really learned the meaning of low pay
<wink>.  Kidding.  Sorta  :)

cerise

At 04:26 PM 03/21/2000 +0000, Wendy wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:05:48 -0500 No Name Available
><cndcherry@MINDSPRING.COM> wrote:
>
>> The wages for waiting tables depends on a lot of factors.  Remember that
>> minimum wage for part time is not the same as minimum
>> wage for full time, [snip]
>
>
>Replying with my academic hat on here - there are different
>rates for part-time and full-time?  Is this different
>*hourly* rates? How can that be justified?
>
>In the European Community, twenty years ago the European
>Court ruled that differential hourly rates for part-timers
>and full-timers was sex discrimination given that a far
>greater proportion of part-time workers are women. I'd have
>thought, given US anti-discrimination laws, the same
>principle would apply.
>
>
>Wendy
>
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In a message dated 3/21/00 4:11:26 PM Central Standard Time,
CKFBALL13@AOL.COM writes:

<< There are also some residential areas, but I wouldn't say that they are
near disneyland ....hope that helps......and now i return to lurking......
>>

I've missed some of these posts, but if you are looking for a town near
Disneyland, how about Santa Ana?  Lived there when I was a little girl. We
used to sit on our back porch on summer evenings, and watch the fireworks
from Disneyland.

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In a message dated 03/21/2000 11:28:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< Replying with my academic hat on here - there are different
 rates for part-time and full-time?  Is this different
 *hourly* rates? How can that be justified >>

Hmm, I thought it was all the same...

--Laurie
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In a message dated 03/21/2000 12:26:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:

<< Wendy wrote:
 << Replying with my academic hat on here - there are different rates for
 part-time and full-time?  Is this different *hourly* rates? How can that be
 justified? >>

 This isn't the case in Ohio.  >>

I think the minimum wage is set nationally. I know I've heard that Clinton
or
Congress was considering raising it--therefore it has to be set nationally.

--Laurie
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At 09:01 AM 03/21/2000 -0500, Yvonne wrote:

>Me this time, not Labrat <g>
>
>Coming in late to the discussion here...Hazel asked:
>So I'm curious to know: why don't you like "Never on Sunday"
>
>I like it for at least one thing: it revealed that Clark suffers from
>claustrophobia,

Upon reading this, I immediately thought:  "No *wonder* he doesn't change
clothes in a phone booth!"

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At 09:28 AM 03/21/2000 +0000, you wrote:

[snip]

>As for the wedding stuff in NoS, perhaps that's a
>transatlantic difference in humour? There have been a
>number of things in L&C which some people find hilarious
>but which leave me cold, I find. The wedding co-ordinator
>was one; the Wedding Destroyer and her sidekick another,
>and Katy the ghost and her friend (from Ghosts) another
>still.

I agree. When originally watching, I didn't like Clark's cavelier "let the
women take cae of all that" attitude. Here was a guy who longed all his
life to settle down with the woman of his dreams and yet he doesn't seem to
take much of an active role in planning it. I suspect a lot of this (and
the other dastardly plots) were the writers ideas of what they thought we
would find funny. Also, stereotypes and A plots are easier to write than B
plots that explore surprising characters. It was easier to write a Wedding
Destroyer than bachelor/bachelorette parties.

>Wendy
>----------------------
>Wendy Richards
>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk

Ah, then Labrat wrote:

>Quite the contrary - he's ticked because Beverley has effectively cut
>him *out* of the plans by this point. And Lois too. I think that's made
>clear by the way Lois and Clark are behaving at the start of the scene.
Both
>of them are completely switched off, neither of them are listening to
>Beverley any more, because she's off on her own tangent and they've not
been
>consulted on any of the decisions at all by this point in proceedings. Both
>of them have opted out and its' clearly bugging Clark in particular
>immensely here. At least that's always been my impression of the scene.~~~

I now recall more of this scene. I think L&C should have very politely put
their collective foot down and had a talk with Ellen and Beverly about what
they (L&C) wanted and what they were going to do. Period. It was something
that had to be done fast and effectively, or it would get worse as Ellen
tried to run other parts of L&C's lives because their acquiescence was as
good as their giving her permission.

However, of course, "the meddling mother-in-law", "the embarrassed daughter
with low self esteem" and the "husband who secretly hates his stepmother"
are staples of TV writing so there was little chance that these two kids,
founders of Utopia (heh...) would find the strength to stand up for
themselves. *Sigh!* Maybe we should *thank* Lex...

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At 07:56 PM 03/20/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>Hazel wrote:

[snip]

>>The idea of someone
>>being after *Clark* instead of Lois or Sman for a change?
>
>I liked this aspect, especially since it gave us a little of Clark's
>background. Come to think of it, I'm a little surprised no one who's
written
>fic about Clark's travels hasn't encorporated this background (unless they
did
>and I forgot ;)

I didn't like the idea. For one thing, I didn't like that Clark had be so
careless.  But mostly up to that point there was little evidence that he had
been doing that kind of hard-hitting, investigative reporting before being
hired at the Planet. This is especially since in his portfolio (from what we
saw on the show), he didn't present that story/clipping or any like it as a
sample of his previous work. Perry would have been pleased to read such a
sample. The sample of what he could do, the interview with the actress, was
unlike the Baron Sunday story, and there were unlikely any Baron Sunday-type
people to write about for the Smallville newspaper of which CK was editor.

So, for me, NoS was what I think was called L&C History Retcon. The
producers
wanted a story with that plot so they shoehorned it into the canon some
history
that hadn't even been hinted at earlier. I don't like that kind of thing so
I
for one won't include it BS (so to speak) any of my stories.

>Christy
>kubitc@kenyon.edu

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Subject: Combo post: Kerth award history and Baron Sunday :)

>(I asked about it on the list a few weeks back, but no one
> seems to remember it: a rewrite of ATAI, in which Clark calls the cops and
> reports the Kents' kidnapping and "steals" the diamonds with the owner's
> blessing.)
> Hazel

Hazel, I think it's "Leaping for the answer" by Leanne Shawler. Actually
it's a Quantum Leap/LnC x-over.
You can find it at Leanne's site
http://sd.znet.com/~volterra/fanfic/fanfic.html

CIAO, Elena :)
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> Wendy, you may very well be right.  I just remember that I was making a
whole
> whopping $4.15 an hour at my waitressing job, and my friend moved to
> Colorado and got a waitressing job that paid only $2.05 an hour.  Yes, and
> this was *this* century!  I'm thinking it was early 90's.

Minimum wage is set by Congress, and it applies to all jobs, part- or
full-time.  But I know that certain laws only apply to businesses with 50 or
more employees, or don't apply to businesses with fewer than 10 employees,
or don't apply to employees who receive other types of compensation, and I
suspect that that is the case here.  And of course, it would be Colorado, a
state that depends heavily on providing services to tourists, that would
find a way to shaft the service workers wherever possible.

Sheila
(I love this state, but if you don't have a job in a technical industry . .
. <sigh>)
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Soul Mates and the Ghost ep were two of my favorites! :)

Tara

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>
>OMG! You don't like Soul Mates!?!  That ep is one of my favorite eppys of
>Lois and Clark and I never, ever, ever get sick of watching it. ;)
>
>Alexis ;-.)
>{who just had to say something in Soul Mates defence! ;)}
>
>"Lois Lane, Clark Kent."  Perry, (LnC), THE PILOT.

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Minimum wage is currently $5.75.  I make more than that, but I'm management
at the pizza joint.

Tara (who just had to throw her two cents in :))

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>
>
> > 3. How much money does a waitress make in the USA? And is she usually
> > paid weekly or monthly?
>
>As someone who works as a waitress to make money for college...
>It's a little different depending on where you are and where you work. In
>places
>such as New York City I know you get paid a lot more (or so they say). In
>my
>experience, for your average restaurant/whatever you get paid minimum wage
>(or a
>bit more if you get a raise) and hope for good tips (I live for rich people
>who
>want to impress their table companions :). In an evening I usually get
>around
>$300 in tips, but I hear that some places get around $100 only (I work in a
>more
>upscale place). And I've gotten paid weekly everywhere I've been (the
>turnover
>rate is so huge too, which makes weekly paying a better idea probably).
>Does that help? I believe minimum wage is something around $5.14 (it's been
>a
>while since I switched jobs so I'm not sure what it is anymore).
>
>Rachel

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>
> > The wages for waiting tables depends on a lot of factors.  Remember that
> > minimum wage for part time is not the same as minimum
> > wage for full time, [snip]
>
>
>Replying with my academic hat on here - there are different
>rates for part-time and full-time?  Is this different
>*hourly* rates? How can that be justified?
>
This is news to me, too, Wendy.  I have no idea what she's talking about--I
was under the impression that minimum wage was one of those things that
applied to everything over here. <shrug>  The things I learn on this list .
. . <g>

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>
>In the state of Colorado, there is no difference in minimum wage for full
>time employees vs. part time employees.  The minimum wage here is 5.15/hr
>for full time and part time.
>
>Becky

Hmm, I didn't know minimum wage was decided on a per-state basis.  It's
$5.75 here.

Tara
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Do any of you SF readers remember James H. Schmitz's Federation of the Hub
stories?  The Witches of Karres?  The Tuvela?  I just found out that Baen is
republishing them in a 4 part series!  :)  The first one is slated for
release on April 2nd here in California! :)

Tara
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>>In the state of Colorado, there is no difference in minimum wage for full
>>time employees vs. part time employees.  The minimum wage here is 5.15/hr
>>for full time and part time.
>
>Hmm, I didn't know minimum wage was decided on a per-state basis.  It's
>$5.75 here.

Actually, I searched for "minimum wage" on Yahoo and found an article that
said minimum wage is $5.15, and the House of Representatives has approved
raising it to $6.15 over 2 years. After thinking about it, I think it would
make more sense for minimum wage to be geographically- (though not state-)
dependant. After all, the cost of living in Los Angeles, for example, is
much
greater than in rural areas.

Christy
kubitc@kenyon.edu

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Subject:      Re: OT: A few questions
In-Reply-To:  kubitc <kubitc@KENYON.EDU>'s message of Tue, 21 Mar 2000
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Hi All,

I thought I'd come out of lurkdom for a minute to add my answer to this
question. I'm a waitress that lives in Massachusetts. As far as I know
here in Massachusetts regular minimum wage is somewhere between $5.65
and $5.85 an hour, minimum wage for a waitress though is $2.85 an hour.
I've been working at the same restaurant for around 9 years and in an
hour I now make $3.10 in salary and between 10 and Twelve dollars in
tips. Of course that's just my experience it probably differs from
restaurant to restaurant and state to state.

Bye everyone

Emily Rogers
startrekfreak1@webtv.net