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That was a SUPER first story!  I was so shocked an somewhat relieved that it
wasn't Lois that had died.. :( I'm just glad that CJ found Jo to spend the
rest of his life with. <G>

Great Job!

Alexis ;-.)
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Felix

Great story.  Especially when I figured out what was going on.
Keep us all happy, and write more.

Anita Dicker
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Felix,

Like everyone else has already said... really great story.
It was extremely well constructed - you led us a long way
up the garden path before letting us in on the secret.

One thing which puzzles me:
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You said CJ had used his super-breath to freeze his
partner, but then hadn't been able to rescue her in time,
and when he'd tried to thaw her out it had been too late.
Very, very sad, and devastating for him, of course.

But then later you have Lois and Clark talking, and they
said Mary was shot. This doesn't make sense - which should
it be?

Great work nonetheless.

Wendy

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On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:13:28 -0700 TA Merrill
<paounfiloun@YAHOO.COM> wrote:

> **************
> I'm glad Jude and Kristin posted their replies. From the
> way this thread was going I thought I was the only one who
> thought that "court shoes" were athletic shoes that are
> made to wear on a finished floor.

> -Nike and Reebok make court shoes for the US and pumps for
> Europe -ladies in an office wear pumps in the US and
> _________? in Europe -for a night on the town, ladies wear
> ______? in the US and court shoes in Europe.
>

Okay - over here Nike and Reebok make pumps or trainers -
two names for the same thing. We wear court shoes with
dressy outfits, either for work or an evening out.

And in response to another query, no, court shoes don't
have straps or ties. I *think* open-toed shoes
which otherwise look like courts can be called court shoes,
but I'm not sure. The height of the heel is irrelevant; it
used to be difficult to get low court shoes before Diana
Spencer became famous <g>. (She was taller than I am, and
I'm five feet ten!)

Wendy
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Felix, this is an impressive first fanfic.   I'm looking forward to your
next
one.

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At 12:32 PM 10/28/1999 +0100, you wrote:
>re-posting this for Kristin:
>-------------
>Hey guys! I had to reply to this one! I think that the telepathic
connection
>the Kryptonians had was their version of superspeech. They were talking so
>fast the noise couldn't be heard by normal humans sort of like a dog
whistle.
>What do you think?
>
>
>Kristin

I think superfast speach could be caught on tape and slowed down. Telepathy
is
a better idea (and was used in the show). Otherwise, they might use some
obscure language or hand signals.
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Comments on the comments (MINOR SPOLERS)...

Irene D. wrote:
> One suggestion - would Clark Jr. call his sweetheart
> his 'Little Tornado' when that was his dad's nickname
> for his mom?  I highly doubt it. I would think he
> would have come up with his own nickname for Mary.

Irene, I actually thought I couldnt' fool anyone in letting people
think that Lois died.  Not once in the first half did I use Lois'
name-- it was always "her", or "best friend", or "partner"... Claire
was right.  Without the "little tornado" added in, I thought people
would realize that I wasn't talking about Lois.

Wendy Richards wrote:
> But then later you have Lois and Clark talking, and they
> said Mary was shot. This doesn't make sense - which should
> it be?

Oops!  Thanks for catching that, Wendy.  I definitely have to fix
these things before I submit this to the archive (I should, shouldn't
I?).  I guess one COULD argue that it was both, but Mary was supposed
to be shot.

One more thing... I'm surprised that no one has commented on the names
I've chosen for two of the characters yet. I chose those names
deliberately.

Thanks to all of you for your comments.  I'm glad you liked it.
Filex
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On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:54:03 -0400 "Felix E. Sung"
<fsung@FREEWWWEB.COM> wrote:

> One more thing... I'm surprised that no one has commented
> on the names I've chosen for two of the characters yet. I
> chose those names deliberately.

Mary and Jo? Sorry, rings no bells with me!  ;)

Wendy
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Felix / Filex (your email address and signature are different on your
last email, so which is it?), you can add me to the people who liked your
story very much.  Thanks for posting, and I look forward to seeing your next
one (hint, hint).  And since Wendy already caught the only quibble I had
with the story, I don't see anything to complain about, either! ;)

>
>One more thing... I'm surprised that no one has commented on the names
>I've chosen for two of the characters yet. I chose those names
>deliberately.
>
Oh, you mean Jo Shuster and Father Dowling, right?  I noticed. :)

Chris
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Summary:  Everyone always assumed that H.G. Wells was responsible for
the magical appearance of the baby at the end of "The Family Hour".  But
what if he wasn't?

Doppelganger:  Part Nine

By Nan Smith

"Lyndon P. Lippincott," Perry said, looking at the scanner's
reproduction of the signature in The Bayside Inn's guest book.  "Sounds
like a book publisher."

"Ten to one it's a phony," Jimmy said.  "I'm no expert, but the
handwriting looks to me like the handwriting on the napkin."  He slid
the blown-up photo across the table.  Clark leaned over it, comparing.
With a glance at his boss he lifted his glasses slightly.

"I'm nearsighted," he said, by way of explanation, and concentrated on
the handwriting.

The "L" in "Lane" and the "L" in "Lippincott" and in "Lyndon" were
almost identical.  He saw that immediately.  The letter "n" was the
same, too, and the way the writer made his penstrokes...it was the same
man, all right, as Henderson's experts would undoubtedly determine
before long.  The chances were strong that Lippincott was their man.  He
pushed his glasses back into place.  "It looks the same to me, too," he
said.

"Well," Perry said, "assuming it *is* the same person, what now?"

"I'm not sure, Chief," Clark admitted.  "The physical description could
fit a lot of people, and you know police sketches.  Sometimes they're
close, but more often there isn't a whole lot of resemblance.
Lippincott, or whoever, was at The Bayside Inn until yesterday,
according to Johnson, so he's moved his base of operations.  I hate to
say it, but the next move may be up to him.  I hate reacting instead of
acting, but..."

"How about that tap on your phone?" Jimmy asked.  "Did Henderson have
any luck with it?"

"They traced it to the pay phone at the 45th Street subway station,"
Clark said.  "Not much luck there."

"How about fingerprints?"  Perry asked.  "Any luck?"

"They found one clear print on the napkin," Lois said.  "So far, no
identification, though.  It feels like we're at a dead end."

One of the copy boys knocked on the conference room door, and stuck his
head through.  "Mr. Kent, you've got a phone call.  Line three."

"Oh, thanks, Terry.  I'll take it here."  Clark reached for the phone.
"Clark Kent."

"Mr. Kent?"  The voice at the other end sounded nervous.  "I need to
speak to you.  I have some information that I think you'll want to
know..  It's very important that we meet."

"What kind of information?" Clark asked.

"I can't talk about it over the phone.  Let's say it has to do with
LexCorp, and a project of theirs which involved your wife.  There's more
to it than what happened last year.  Something much more dangerous."

"All right.  Where do you want to meet?"  Clark's voice tried to crack,
and he controlled it by sheer force of will.

"Do you know the vacant lot over on Laurel Street--across from Century
22 Real Estate?"

"Yes."

"I'll be there at nine o'clock tonight.  Come alone.  If you aren't
there, I'll wait five minutes.  No longer."

"I'll be there."

The click of the receiver being hung up answered him.

*     *     *     *     *

A heavy drizzle was falling as Clark approached the vacant lot on Laurel
Street a few minutes before nine that evening.  The pavement was damp,
and the sharp glow of the street lights was softened at the edges by the
heavy mist.  Cars swished by, occasionally spattering the incautious
passerby with water.  The air was unseasonably cool.  In another week it
would be officially fall, and the weather gods had apparently decided to
give the residents of Metropolis a little preview of what was to come.

He could see at once why the anonymous caller had chosen this location.
The lot was in shadow. Enclosed on two sides by buildings and in the
rear by a high, stone wall, it would be difficult for anyone to approach
without warning.  Clark scanned the lot with his enhanced vision, and
spotted the man at once.

He was dressed in dark clothing, standing close to the wall, invisible
to anyone on the sidewalk except Superman.  Clark walked quietly into
the shadows and stood still, waiting.  Cars swished by on the street
behind him.

"Mr. Kent."  The voice was very soft.

"Yes," he said.

"My name is Adrian Bender."

Clark moved slowly forward until he stood next to the wall, a few feet
away from the man.  "You had some information for me, Mr. Bender?"

"Yes."  The lawyer nodded jerkily, and Clark saw him reach into one
pocket.  "I got this letter in early June," he said.  "It wasn't signed,
and I still have no idea who sent it.  It mentioned ‘Project
Doppelganger'.  I imagine you know what that was."

"I think so," Clark said, trying to keep his voice neutral.  "The clone
project."

"The clone project," Bender affirmed.  "The letter advised me to obtain
the file from LexLabs and give it to you."

"Why me?"

"You're the only person who can reliably contact Superman," the lawyer
said, a little impatiently.  "I should have done it, then."

"Why didn't you?"

Bender shrugged again, looking at the ground.  "I read the file, Mr.
Kent.  Most of it was technical information.  Charts, and graphs,
procedures...scientific shorthand.  I didn't understand most of it.  But
there was enough I did understand to tell me that the project wasn't
over when the clones were destroyed last year.  There was something
else...a backup plan in case Luthor failed; what you might call a dead
man switch."  He raised his head to meet Clark's eyes in the dimness,
and the pain in his face was almost physical.  "Luthor killed my
brother, Mr. Kent.  Oh, I know he probably didn't fire that dart,
himself, but it was his order.  I wanted to be the one to ruin his last
plan.  I wanted to even the score.  I was foolish to think I could, but
I did.  Only, now it's too late.  The file is gone, and I know too
much.  My only chance is for you to tell Superman.  He may still be able
to stop it."

"What's the backup plan?" Clark asked.

"It took me awhile to find the place ," Bender said.  "They'd hidden
everything very carefully, but I had access to all of LexCorp's records,
and I finally tracked it down.  I'm going to have to show y..."

A burst of gunfire interrupted his words.  Bullets sprayed across the
lot, bouncing from Clark's back.  He tackled Bender, throwing him flat
in the mud.  More bullets struck him as he shielded the lawyer with his
own body, and then there was the sound of an engine, and an automobile
racing away from the scene at reckless speed.  Clark rose to his knees.
"Bender?  Are you all right?"

There was no answer.  The man lay face down in the mud, unmoving.  Clark
lowered his glasses and scanned Bender's body with x-ray vision.  In
spite of his quick action, the lawyer had been struck by two of the
bullets.  An instant later, Superman was airborne and headed for the
nearest hospital as fast as the safety of his human passenger permitted.

*     *     *     *     *

"All I could find was shell casings, Inspector," Superman said.  He
stood in Henderson's office, his uniform a bright splash of primary
colors against the sober hues of the room.  Somehow, he didn't look at
all out of place.  "Whatever traces there might have been were washed
away by the rain."

"How's Bender doing?" Henderson asked.

"He's in critical condition," Superman said.  "They don't know if he'll
make it or not."

"Well, somebody was trying to kill either him or Kent," Henderson said.
"Right now, considering what happened to their Jeep, I'm not sure
which."

"Neither am I," Superman admitted.  "Clark was lucky."

"I'd like to have a hair or two off that rabbit's foot he carries."
Henderson smiled wryly and shook his head. "I thought we were through
with Luthor and LexCorp after the Luckabee fiasco.  LexCorp's got more
heads than a hydra."

Superman nodded.  "It does seem to.  I--" He broke off suddenly.  Then,
with a gust of air that blew papers around the room, he was gone.
Henderson stared after him.  He'd rarely seen Superman look that
startled.  Or that scared.

*     *     *     *     *

The television muttered in the background, but after an attempt to keep
her attention on the LNN newscast, Lois had given up.  The cup of tea
she had made was growing cold on the coffee table, and the magazine she
attempted to read after she lost interest in the news lay face down on
the floor.  She glanced at the clock for the third time in as many
minutes.

Come on, Lois! she chided herself.  It's not as if he hasn't had to stay
out all night before.

Being married to Superman could be worse than being married to a
doctor--calls at all hours, and no one to take them for you when you got
tired.  It went with the territory.  But right now it would be nice to
have some company.  The last few days had been harrowing, and she still
wasn't really over the effects of their tail-end collision.  She still
felt tired and a little sore.  Her neck was stiff, and would probably
remain so for several days to come.  And nine o'clock had come and gone
two hours ago, and Clark had not returned.

She would have gone with him, but their anonymous caller had specified
that he was to come alone.  Wise in the ways of informants, she had
known that the man almost certainly would have bolted if she'd appeared
with Clark.  But something had happened, that was certain.

The phone rang for the fourth time in an hour.  One call had been from
her mother.  Of the others, the caller had twice declined to identify
himself to the answering machine and Lois simply did not feel up to any
more calls from *him*.  Now she listened to the machine give its spiel,
and then to the ensuing silence.  Him again.  Once more the machine hung
up.

"Enough," she said, suddenly, aloud.  "You call all you want.  I'm not
going to play anymore."  With a decisive gesture she walked to the phone
and switched off the ringer then picked up her cup of tea.  Moving
quickly, she went into the kitchen and threw the stone-cold liquid down
the sink.  "That's it.  I'm going to bed!"

She heard the click as the answering machine came on again, and tried
not to listen to the silence that followed.  She almost jumped out of
her skin at the voice that emerged.

"Lois..."  It was a breathy whisper.  "He's dead.  He won't be back.  I
want you."

She put her hands over her ears.  The voice couldn't be telling the
truth.  Clark was very much alive.

The smash of the window glass made her spin around.  Something thumped
to the rug, and vapor began to spew forth.  Suddenly her eyes were
tearing, her nose felt as if it was burning..  Instinctively, she held
her breath.  Tear gas!  He was trying to force her outside!

Lois ran for the stairs.  If she set foot outside he would be waiting;
she knew that without a doubt.  Below her the cloud of vapor swelled.
There was another smash; a second canister joined the first, but Lois
didn't look back.  She fled blindly up the stairs, stumbling a little on
the steps, and flung herself into her bedroom.  With one hand, she
slammed the door, and twisted the key in the lock.

She felt her way into the bathroom, eyes so full of tears that she could
barely see, and turned on the tap.  Cold water rushed out of the
faucet.  She washed her hands under the stream, then splashed water into
her eyes, nose and mouth.

When the burning subsided, she shut off the tap and returned to the
bedroom.  A small tendril of white was creeping under the door.  With a
gasp, she ran back into the bathroom and emerged a few seconds later
with both bath towels.  She crammed them hastily under the door to block
the stinging gas and drew a deep breath.

*He* was out there.  What kinds of lengths was he willing to go to, to
get his hands on her?  "Obsession" was putting it mildly!  He claimed
Clark was dead, but he'd tried to kill Clark before with the bomb in the
Jeep.  It must have enraged and puzzled him that Clark had survived.  He
had to have tried something tonight, and must believe that it had
succeeded, or maybe he was just trying to frighten her.  Well, she had
to give him that.  He'd succeeded in frightening her, all right, but
that didn't make her helpless.

She picked up the phone, and was not surprised to find the line dead.
Her cellular phone was downstairs in her purse; there hadn't been the
time to grab it.  But there was one other form of communication that she
could use--if he was within range.  She somehow couldn't see Clark
leaving Metropolis tonight except for the direst of emergencies.
"Help!  Superman!"

For five, harrowing seconds, she thought he wasn't coming.  Then the
bedroom window shot open, and he was standing before her.  She saw him
look her over in one, quick glance.

"Stay here!" he commanded and was out the window on the word.  Lois sank
slowly down on the bed and closed her eyes.

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(to be continued)
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Judith Williams wrote:
>
> In his genealogy  chart, Felix gave Ellen Lane's maiden name as
> Roberts.  I don't know shy, but that doesn't ring true to me.  For
> some reason I have thought of her as Ellen Curtis which would continue
> the L K sounds that the series writers were so fond of.  Anybody know
> anything definitive from some specific episode?
You know, now I think of it, I'm not sure I like it either.  Don't
think I'll change it, though. ;) I too wanted to utilize the L and K
sounds, but I thought it would be too much, so I used R, which almost
sounds L.  As far as I know Ellen's maiden name was never mentioned.

> Also was Ralph's last name ever mentioned?  What was it?  Jude
Don't think Ralph's last name was ever mentioned either.  "Claremont"
was used in TUFS, I think.

Felix
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Can I, as one of the participants, thank Yvonne very much
for her initial inspiration and her hard work in setting
up, organising and keeping going this monster? <g>

Yvonne, you did a fantastic job. Tanya, co-Arbitrator, well
done too (though we never did find Courtney, did we? <g>).

And I'd also like to say that I feel very privileged to
have worked with such a talented group of writers. Yvonne
made a very convincing Perry. Laurie's Bernie Klein was so
true to life, and Jenni's Lois was so realistic I forgot I
was corresponding with a Scot! Mel's Ellen was
both convincing and hilarious, and as for Carol as Cat -
who needs Tracy Scoggins! Yael did a terrific job as Dan
too.

Well done, everyone! And apologies if I've missed anyone
out - I don't have a full cast list here.

Wendy

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MORE, MORE, MORE!!!

I'm Loving this Nan!

Lori
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> >
> >One more thing... I'm surprised that no one has commented on the
> names
> >I've chosen for two of the characters yet. I chose those names
> >deliberately.
> >
> Oh, you mean Jo Shuster and Father Dowling, right?  I noticed. :)
>
> Chris
>

I loved the story Felix - You're sneaky! I growled through the first
half but kept reading anyway because I sensed something was up.
(Because most people put a warning at the beginning if it's a deathfic
and you didn't.)
I caught the Jo Shuster part too.  Isn't Joanne Lois' middle name in
the comics?  I think "Martha" was "Mary" in the early stuff, but I
don't know if that's where you're going.

I look forward to seeing more from you.
TerriAnn

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Date:         Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:12:24 -0700
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Thanks Felix.  I've been doing some further checking on my own and have come
to the same conclusions about Ellen and Ralph.  By the way, I'm behind in my
reading, but all the comments about your story make me think I'd better get
caught up.  I haven't started Nan's story yet either.  Thanks for the reply.
Jude
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> Judith Williams wrote:
> >
> > In his genealogy  chart, Felix gave Ellen Lane's maiden name as
> > Roberts.  I don't know shy, but that doesn't ring true to me.  For
> > some reason I have thought of her as Ellen Curtis which would continue
> > the L K sounds that the series writers were so fond of.  Anybody know
> > anything definitive from some specific episode?
> You know, now I think of it, I'm not sure I like it either.  Don't
> think I'll change it, though. ;) I too wanted to utilize the L and K
> sounds, but I thought it would be too much, so I used R, which almost
> sounds L.  As far as I know Ellen's maiden name was never mentioned.
>
> > Also was Ralph's last name ever mentioned?  What was it?  Jude
> Don't think Ralph's last name was ever mentioned either.  "Claremont"
> was used in TUFS, I think.
>
> Felix
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Wendy, thanks for the clarification.  By the way, now I know why you refer
to Lois as small.  I'm a little over 5'2", so Lois (Teri) at 5'6 is
definitely tall to me.  May I think of you as statuesque?  Jude
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> On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:13:28 -0700 TA Merrill
> <paounfiloun@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
> > **************
> > I'm glad Jude and Kristin posted their replies. From the
> > way this thread was going I thought I was the only one who
> > thought that "court shoes" were athletic shoes that are
> > made to wear on a finished floor.
>
> > -Nike and Reebok make court shoes for the US and pumps for
> > Europe -ladies in an office wear pumps in the US and
> > _________? in Europe -for a night on the town, ladies wear
> > ______? in the US and court shoes in Europe.
> >
>
>
> Okay - over here Nike and Reebok make pumps or trainers -
> two names for the same thing. We wear court shoes with
> dressy outfits, either for work or an evening out.
>
> And in response to another query, no, court shoes don't
> have straps or ties. I *think* open-toed shoes
> which otherwise look like courts can be called court shoes,
> but I'm not sure. The height of the heel is irrelevant; it
> used to be difficult to get low court shoes before Diana
> Spencer became famous <g>. (She was taller than I am, and
> I'm five feet ten!)
>
>
> Wendy
> ----------------------
> Wendy Richards
> w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Hi Zoom:)

I thought I read somewhere that Dean arranged to borrow the clothes because
he didn't have that kind of stuff in his own wardrobe.  This would coincide
with some interviews in England after S1, where he said he has t-shirts and
jeans in his wardrobe.

Thanks,
Carolyn
cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu

>In a message dated 10/25/99 11:20:05 AM Central Daylight Time,
>DUNNFOUR@AOL.COM writes:
>
><< That sounds like a good show.  When was it on and what station?  Maybe
we
>can
> watch for a rerun.      >>
>
>I'm *guessing* that it aired 94 or early 95. The clip from the X-Files, for
>example, was its second season opener Little Green Men. In other words,
Lois
>and Clark would have been in its second season too.  Another reason I'm
>guessing this date is because Dean looks like he's dressed in the suit he
>wore on Lucky Leon. It's as if he had to travel from Warner Bros. to FOX
>(that's the network that aired the special) and either didn't have time to
>change into something else, or would have to be getting back to Warner
Bros.
>and so why bother changing <g> If it wasn't filmed at FOX studio, then
maybe
>it was filmed at the museum of radio and television (Beverly Hills),
because
>that's who put the special together.
>
>The special was divided by type or genre of science fiction, really, time
>travel, alternate universes, robots, aliens, space travel, etc.  Great
clips
>from a lot of shows including Quantum Leap, Amazing Stories, Twilight Zone,
>the various incarnations of Star Trek and so on.
>
>Zoom
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Oh, Bernie:

I am so sorry I cannot come to the party for Lois:(

I'm in the midst of closing my lab, as you know, and I'm sure you
understand all the considerations that requires.

Just this morning the radiation safety crew informed me that the
radioactive chip in the balance mechanism of the centrifuge must be
disposed of properly and they can't move it until the day of the party.

I'm so disappointed because I wanted to thank everyone for their kind
wishes on our engagement.  You will tell them for me, won't you darling?

I'll talk to you later but please relay my good wishes to Lois:)

Carolyn
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I apologize for sending this to the whole list, but I was afraid I'd miss
somebody if I just tried to send out individual announcements.  I just
wanted to let you all know that my daughter, Mary Katherine Crawford, was
born on Tuesday evening at 8:53 pm.  She was 8 lbs, 6 oz, and she's 22 1/4
inches long.  She's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!  We have a
series of pictures of her online at

http://zopyros.ccqc.uga.edu/~crawdad/mkc/mkc1.html

We have been home since late that night and we're all getting alng
swimmingly.  Cheers, all!

-Emily
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"Thus grew the tale of Wonderland:  thus slowly, one by one,
Its quaint events were hammered out -- and now the tale is done,
And home we steer, a merry crew, beneath the setting sun." -Lewis Carroll
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Congratulations!  She's a beautiful baby!  Glad to
hear that everything's going okay.

Irene

--- Emily Angerer Crawford
<ccsupec@HELEN.OIT.GATECH.EDU> wrote:
> I apologize for sending this to the whole list, but
> I was afraid I'd miss
> somebody if I just tried to send out individual
> announcements.  I just
> wanted to let you all know that my daughter, Mary
> Katherine Crawford, was
> born on Tuesday evening at 8:53 pm.  She was 8 lbs,
> 6 oz, and she's 22 1/4
> inches long.  She's the most beautiful thing I've
> ever seen!  We have a
> series of pictures of her online at
>
> http://zopyros.ccqc.uga.edu/~crawdad/mkc/mkc1.html
>
> We have been home since late that night and we're
> all getting alng
> swimmingly.  Cheers, all!
>
> -Emily
> --
> Emily Crawford/Warbler on IRC
> ccsupec@helen.oit.gatech.edu
>
> "Thus grew the tale of Wonderland:  thus slowly, one
> by one,
> Its quaint events were hammered out -- and now the
> tale is done,
> And home we steer, a merry crew, beneath the setting
> sun." -Lewis Carroll
>

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Date:         Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:24:37 -0400
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I edited the story to reflect the fact that Mary was supposed to be
shot (Thanks Wendy and Chris (from Zoomway's MB)!).  It's now on
Zoomway's MB.

The two characters I was refering to were Laura and Jo.  Laura's full
name in my family tree is Laura Lane Kent, a tribute to S5.  Although
I liked TUFS too, I didn't like their choice for the baby's name.  So
C.J. = Clark Jerome Kent, Jr.  Joanne is Lois' middle name from the
comics and Shuster is from Shuster's Field (as Pam pointed out in
Zoomway's MB), but also, Jo came from Joe Shuster, one of the Superman
creators.  I mentioned in my story that Laura has been married for 6
months.  Anyone care to guess her husband's name? :)  As to "Father
Dowling," I've forgotten where I've heard that name before when I
picked  it; now I know.  It was just a coincidence.

To Chris Carr: Filex is my handle on Zoomway's MB.  As for my next
story, it may take a while, if ever!  Took me a month to do this one
(3 weeks for brainstorming/planning and the rest for the actual
writing, all of this between RL, of course :) ).

Thanks again to all of you for your comments.
Filex
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> Can I, as one of the participants, thank Yvonne very much
> for her initial inspiration and her hard work in setting
> up, organising and keeping going this monster? <g>
>

Only if I can second you on that motion, Ms. Trouser-person :o)
As a reader and fan of the story, I have to say, I loved all the
plot twists, from the peanut butter jars <g> to Lara's demise.
You never knew *what* would happen next :o) I can only imagine
how difficult it was to coordinate the story, so that everyone's
contributions added to and enhanced one complete, coherent
and thoroughly entertaining tale.  THANK YOU so much to everyone
who participated to make the story special.

Maggie
who must thank Goddess Richards
for the "but Clark would call them *pants*" ;o)
 discussion, which of course, could only
lead to pondering Clark, and his wardrobe,
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rapture, uhm, Pondering is a Darn Good thing.
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Congratulations! She's beautiful!

Nan Smith

Emily Angerer Crawford wrote:

> I apologize for sending this to the whole list, but I was afraid I'd miss
> somebody if I just tried to send out individual announcements.  I just
> wanted to let you all know that my daughter, Mary Katherine Crawford, was
> born on Tuesday evening at 8:53 pm.  She was 8 lbs, 6 oz, and she's 22 1/4
> inches long.  She's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!  We have a
> series of pictures of her online at
>
> http://zopyros.ccqc.uga.edu/~crawdad/mkc/mkc1.html
>
> We have been home since late that night and we're all getting alng
> swimmingly.  Cheers, all!
>
> -Emily
> --
> Emily Crawford/Warbler on IRC              ccsupec@helen.oit.gatech.edu
>
> "Thus grew the tale of Wonderland:  thus slowly, one by one,
> Its quaint events were hammered out -- and now the tale is done,
> And home we steer, a merry crew, beneath the setting sun." -Lewis Carroll
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Emily, what a lovely set of pictures of your beautiful
new daughter.  Congratulations!

Peace
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I agree - beautiful pictures - Congratulations
merry

Peace wrote:

> Emily, what a lovely set of pictures of your beautiful
> new daughter.  Congratulations!
>
> Peace
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> Joanne is Lois' middle name from the
> comics and Shuster is from Shuster's Field (as Pam pointed out in
> Zoomway's MB), but also, Jo came from Joe Shuster,

Well, I did know about Joe Shuster :) (though I forgot his first name).
I was just joking about the field, which is also named for him <g>
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"No.  Only acts of will."
"What about acts of ineptitude?"
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that twilight before."
"Most of my life, sir.  Not that I haven't leaped up
into the blinding light of competence now and then.
It's sustaining the altitude that defeats me."
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Congratulations, mommy!

At 05:54 PM 10/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I apologize for sending this to the whole list, but I was afraid I'd miss
>somebody if I just tried to send out individual announcements.  I just
>wanted to let you all know that my daughter, Mary Katherine Crawford, was
>born on Tuesday evening at 8:53 pm.  She was 8 lbs, 6 oz, and she's 22 1/4
>inches long.  She's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!  We have a
>series of pictures of her online at
>
>http://zopyros.ccqc.uga.edu/~crawdad/mkc/mkc1.html
>
>We have been home since late that night and we're all getting alng
>swimmingly.  Cheers, all!
>
>-Emily
>--
>Emily Crawford/Warbler on IRC              ccsupec@helen.oit.gatech.edu
>
>"Thus grew the tale of Wonderland:  thus slowly, one by one,
>Its quaint events were hammered out -- and now the tale is done,
>And home we steer, a merry crew, beneath the setting sun." -Lewis Carroll
>
>
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What a beautiful little girl!  And a proud looking set of parents!

Congratulations!
TerriAnn

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In a message dated 10/30/99 3:25:41 AM EST, cschnall@MAIL.MED.CORNELL.EDU
writes:

<< I thought I read somewhere that Dean arranged to borrow the clothes
because
 he didn't have that kind of stuff in his own wardrobe.  This would coincide
 with some interviews in England after S1, where he said he has t-shirts and
 jeans in his wardrobe.
  >>

Hmm.. t-shirts and jeans.. eh?  Well that's MY kind of man! <G>

Alexis ;-.)
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Wendy Richards wrote:

>>>Can I, as one of the participants, thank Yvonne very much
for her initial inspiration and her hard work in setting
up, organising and keeping going this monster? <g>

Yvonne, you did a fantastic job. Tanya, co-Arbitrator, well
done too (though we never did find Courtney, did we? <g>).

And I'd also like to say that I feel very privileged to
have worked with such a talented group of writers.<<<

Just like to say that I agree with Wendy's sentiments about OUATIM.  When=
 I
first agreed to take part I wasn't sure how it would work but,
surprisingly, it all came together.  I had a lot of fun and you guys did =
a
great job in writing this fic online.  It was a pleasure to work with you=

all.  Also, I'd like to say a special thanks to Yvonne for all her hard
work behind the scenes.

Yours Jenni(AKA Lois)
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This vignette came from the recent discussion of pumps and court
shoes.  Since two days of work is, for me, just tossing off a story,
there may be some egregious errors.   Nevertheless, the wonderful
shoes that Lois wore during the series are worthy of a fanfic nod.

Heart and Soles

        Superman dropped into the bedroom window.  In a whirling
moment, Clark, wearing nothing but boxer shorts, was hugging Lois
from behind.  His arms nearly covered the gray stripe that went
around the middle of her black pants suit.
        "Why are you all dressed, honey?  It's Saturday!"
        "Yes,"  Lois, her expression somewhat baleful, turned in his
arms and caressed his chest longingly.  "It's Saturday."  The tone of
her voice would have been appropriate for announcing an
execution.
        "Not *that* Saturday?"
        Lois nodded.  "I just came up to put on some comfortable
shoes."
        Clark looked at her compassionately for a moment, then raised
his head.  "Lois, I'm sorry, I have to go.  Just when you need me"
        "No, it's fine!  You go."
        "It's a tornado!"
        "I know, I know.  I'm all right.  Go!"
        Clark kissed Lois a quick good-bye.  Then, he disappeared
right out the window in a colourful blur.
        "Coward," his wife sighed, as she opened her closet door and
scanned her shoe collection.  Imelda Marcos she was not, but her
sentimental streak was a mile wide, and it had soles.
        In one box lay her Daily Planet footwear, like the battered old
<name brand> she'd worn both to deliver papers and to run away
from home for her job as a research department gopher.  She'd
even written "Freedom Flighters" in gold on the uppers.  They were
sublimely adolescent-eighties.
        Several other pairs marked her steps up the rungs of the Planet
ladder, including the beat up boots she'd worn the day that, in spite
of her job and scholarships, she'd had to accept financing from her
father to complete her journalism degree.  A much happier memory
went with the brown pair from that wonderful day when finally Perry
had hired her as a full fledged reporter.  Brown, for a long time after
that, was one of her favourite work colours.
        A whole bunch of footwear had Clark written all over them.  Her
treasures included the little blacks from their first date, the canvas
lace-ups from their almost first date, and the shoes that had danced
with Superman.  She still had the cowboy boots she'd worn in
Kansas to line dance with Clark and to let herself admit that her
partner was a real person.  Tucked in one tall top was the teddy
bear he'd won for her.  Lois liked to keep it handy, for times when
Superman kept her husband busy for long periods of time.
        Hidden behind all of them, the Ultra Woman boots hung on their
stretchers.  After all, something might happen to make them useful
again.  Right below them were her heel-less souvenirs.
        There were, of course, things never worn, like the burgundy bits
that hadn't made it out the door for their first date, and the sandals
she'd bought for the Hawaiian honeymoon they still planned to take.
        Well buried were some old gray things.  They never fit quite
right after Lucy had used them.  The next time Superman flew Lois
and Clark over to Europe to visit Lucy, those shoes might make a
nice present.  To complete the gift, Lois could throw in the sea-
foam t-straps she'd suffered in as maid of honour for Lucy when her
sister had married Jimmy--no--James Olson.
        Slipping on a stylish pair of serious walking shoes, Lois
wondered how many girls had two sisters named Lucy, even if one
really was a cousin.  Not only that, how many offices had a gopher
named Jimmy Olson who rose to become a foreign correspondent
right at the moment that another gopher named Jimmy Olson was
hired?  Good thing the first Jimmy had decided to go with James.
        Lois shook herself.  Bridesmaid artifacts were a terrible blow to
clear thinking.
        Forcing herself to concentrate, Lois continued her review of her
footgear.  She admired the slippers she'd worn last week when the
ghost had frozen the house in an effort to impress Clark.  Right by
them sat the little black scuffs Lois had put on her feet for a few
moments after waiting centuries for her wedding night.  And not far
away was the perfume which was all Lois had worn to bed on their
first Honeymoon in Metropolis.  What primal urge had made that
her choice of clothing?
        Standing up, Lois told herself firmly that she was adequately
"hosed and shod."  Spending time with her mother was difficult
enough without adding the stress of making footwear choices.
Sale or no sale, the thing to do was to march right out of here and
tell her mother that she wasn't going shoe shopping with her today.
Lois needed a quiet day to prepare herself for the coming work
week.  There was a rumour going around about some kind of staff
change at the Planet.
        Carefully closing the closet, Lois turned purposefully toward the
door.  On the way out, she picked up her hand bag.
        "I'm ready, Mom!"  Lois ran down the stairs.  "We'll be at the
footwear entrance when they open the doors!"

Sound the Charge!

There aren't careful descriptions of the shoes, partly because
reviewing the episodes wasn't an option, partly because words
(pumps, heels, courts, tennis, plimsoles, running) might not do the
job anyway <g>, and partly because, in the case, for example, of
dancing on air, it has always seemed to me that the shoes in the
close-up were very different from the shoes in the long shot.  All the
usual disclaimers and copyrights apply.

klair El

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What a sweet vignette! and what a wonderful way to start
the day :o) *especially* today, that this little folcster is
going to the mall with her mother!

I loved the descriptions of the emotional connections
and memories each shoe was attached to. To find the
richness and beauty in the simple details that make
up our lives is, for me, creativity at it's best.

Thank you very much!

****
Reading all this shoe commentary ;o) reminded
me of one of my favorite shoe babbles for FOLC Central which
happened last Christmas. This was the introduction I sent my best
friend. Thought you all might get a giggle out of it. :o)

<OH! and I bought shoes. not just any shoes. we are talking SHOES. ;o)

I even wrote a column about them.  yes, about my shoes.  what can I say, in
lieu of husband, I dote upon Italian Leather. It could be worse.
I could be drooling over vinyl. <g>

Here is the whole sordid tale...............

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Maggie's Mouthful  (Diva-in-Training Edition)

Hey People!  I hope this holiday season finds you healthy and happy.  Since
the holiday rush has put a cramp in my regular fanfic addiction, I thought
I'd ramble on some about my shoes today.

Did that get your attention? Hehe.  It's not everyday one finds the most
perfect pair of shoes in existence upon planet earth, you know?  Not many
things could tear me away from that big beautiful S, but today Superman can
go save Metropolis or fly Lois to Paris, heck, he can even
have the day off.  Today is Etienne Aigner day in my house.

It all started when my friend came down from Tallahassee for Christmas and
forgot to pack underwear.  Don't you just hate it when that happens?

One simply cannot go through Christmas Extravaganzas, Mistletoe
Possibilities, and Caroling Parties without the appropriate undergarments.
 (Yes, we went Christmas Caroling, it was fun, it was waffy, it was even
super, but paled in comparison to the Beauty of My Newly-Beloved Footwear.)

So, what's a girl to do?

I have one word for you dear friends.  Marshalls. Now, Marshalls is not the
type of store you can go to when you absolutely need something, because of
course the *one* thing you need, will be in just about every size but
yours.  No, Marshalls is the place to go when your best friend needs
panties.

The treasures you find when you tag along.  Incredible.  So, anyway, there
I was in the shoe section.  Yes, I know. Nobody needed shoes today.  But in
the immortal words of the Wedding Planner from Ellen Lane's dreams and
Clark Kent's nightmares, you don't absolutely *need* shoes, but sooner or
later your feet become bloody stumps.  So I was in the shoe section, okay?

I was minding my own business, trying on a lovely pair of sensible black
pumps when it happened.  First,  I saw them from afar.  Italian leather
Etienne Aigner pumps in burgundy.  Now, you and I know that although Clark
loves Burgundy, it's not exactly the most sensible shoe color when wardrobe
color coordination is taken into account.

So, at first I just looked at them longingly thinking, nah. Forget it, who
needs a pair of shoes in Burgundy?  Then ofcourse, I said, oh, just try
them on, who could it hurt?  That did it.  I was lost in shoe heaven, and I
think I'm, uhm, still there.

Have you ever had you feet just slip into a pair of shoes and find a home?
No scrunching and tightening, just happy feet, surrounded by Italian
leather
in Clark's favorite color.  (I wasn't even thinking of Clark at the time,
but if the, uhm, shoe fits, ya know?) <vbg>

Then, any kind of resistance was futile.  The shoes were mine, meant for
me, created to give my toes pleasure and that was that.  Then I was faced
with another problem. The purse thing.  Kind of old fashioned that way, the
shoes and the purse *must* coordinate, if not, it's like my planets are out
of alignment.

While I was pondering the audacity of even considering
wearing these lovely pumps with no coordinating accessory whatsoever, I was
introduced to a lovely gentleman named Cole.  Kenneth Cole.  Mr. Cole just
happened to design a handbag in a certain shade of burgundy that I have now
come to love.

So, ofcourse, I had to get the purse that goes with the shoes. I would tell
you about the sweater that goes with the purse that goes with the shoes,
but you know enough already.
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This ep is a little shorter than usual.  My excuse is the same as
before--the next one is going to be longer and a little more
complicated, and this seemed to be the right place to stop.

Summary:  Everyone always assumed that H.G. Wells was responsible for
the magical appearance of the baby at the end of "The Family Hour".  But
what if he wasn't?

Doppelganger:  Part 10

by Nan Smith

"He must have made tracks as soon as he saw me," Clark said.  He stood
in the door to their bathroom, stripping off the Superman suit.  " By
the time I'd cleared the gas out of the house, he was gone."  He wadded
the suit into a ball.  "I'll take care of this.  It's soaked in tear
gas.  You don't want to touch it."

"I'll take your word for it."  Lois still felt shaken, but the therapy
of watching her husband disrobe in front of her was helping.  Clark
noticed and smiled.

"Just don't try to touch me until I get washed.  That wouldn't be
romantic at all," he said, and vanished into the bathroom.  Lois heard
the shower come on.  Less than a minute later he re-emerged, his hair
damp and combed back from his face, a towel around his waist.  Lois
could see the wet Superman suit hanging from the towel rack.  He walked
straight over to her and put his arms around her.

For a long moment they stayed that way, silently holding each other.
Then Clark spoke.

"I don't think I've been so scared in quite a while as I was when I
heard you yell.  I just left Henderson standing there."  He let her go
and looked into her face.  "You're all right, aren't you?"

"I'm all right.  A little shaky.  He was trying to force me outside, I
think."

"Yeah."  He swiped at a trickle of water that was making its way down
his collarbone.  "You did exactly the right thing, again.  This guy may
think he's in love with you, or something, but he doesn't know you very
well at all, does he?"

"He called four times, Clark.  The last time he told me you were dead."

"Then I must have been the target, not Bender," he said, thoughtfully.

"Bender!"

"Yeah.  The guy I went to meet.  It was Adrian Bender."

"So something did happen."

"Yeah."  He sat down beside her on the bed.  "We were shot at and Bender
was hit.  He's in the hospital now, in critical condition.  Because of
me."

"Clark, don't be ridiculous. *You* didn't shoot him!  In fact, I'll bet
you were the one that got him to the hospital, weren't you?"

"Well, yes."

"Then you can't blame yourself.  Tell me what happened."

"Okay."  He sniffed her hair. "I will while you shower.  I can still
smell the chemicals in your hair.  You don't want to accidentally get it
in your eyes."

She peeled the clothing off carefully and Clark took it.  "I'll rinse it
for you."  He stood back to let her past him and then began to fill the
sink.  While she washed off the chemical residue, he described what had
happened, and what Bender had said.

"A dead man switch," Lois said thoughtfully, as she stepped from the
shower.  Clark handed her a towel, giving her an appreciative look as he
did so.  "What do you suppose that means?"

"I don't know.  I've got the letter, though.  Here, want me to dry your
back?"

"Very funny," Lois said.

He feigned shock.  "Why, you don't think I'd have an ulterior motive, do
you?"

"If you don't, I'm going to be insulted," she told him.  Clark laughed
and reached for her.

*     *     *     *     *

Sometime later Lois lay in bed in the darkened room with her head on his
shoulder.  His arm was around her, and she was sure that she wasn't
imagining the fact that he held her more tightly than usual.  Somehow,
Clark being in protective mode didn't bother her the way it might have
some years ago, because she knew it wasn't prompted by anything more
than his love for her and his wish to keep her safe from whoever was
threatening her.  It had been a traumatic evening for both of them and
she needed to be close to him.

She could tell by his breathing that he wasn't asleep.  Too much had
happened this evening for either of them to be able to relax
completely.  "Clark?"

"Yeah?"

"I know this is reaching, but do you suppose that this thing could be
related to Lex's ‘backup plan'?"

"To tell you the truth, I was wondering about that, too.  Something's
going on with it, or Bender's office wouldn't have been burned or his
car blown up.  Henderson told me unofficially that they thought the same
type of explosive used on Bender's car might have been used on the
Jeep.  In all the confusion it kind of slipped my mind."

"Maybe we should start looking at it from that angle.  This guy's
obsession with me--Lex was obsessed with me, Clark."

"I know.  Only, Lex knew that bullets couldn't hurt me.  He came back
from the dead once, but this time I not only saw him die, I pulled his
body out of that collapsed tunnel, made sure it was positively
identified, and was there when he was cremated.  There's no way anyone
is going to regenerate him this time."

Lois snuggled more tightly against him and felt his free hand stroke her
hair, very gently.  "Besides," Clark continued, a smile in his voice,
"whoever this is, they can't know the real you very well.  If he thinks
he can take Lois Lane by force after killing her husband, he's living in
a dream world.  He'd have to sleep with one eye open for the rest of his
life and have eyes in the back of his head to boot."

Lois giggled.  "You know how to flatter a girl, don't you?"

"Hey, I'm only proving how well *I* know you."  He pushed himself up on
one elbow to kiss her.  She responded with enthusiasm.  Clark pulled his
head back about an inch.  "You know, we might not get a whole lot of
sleep tonight at this rate."

She wrapped her free arm around his neck and pulled him back down.  "Who
cares?"

*    *     *     *     *

The postmark on the envelope was June 10th, and there was no return
address.

"It's a Metropolis postmark," Lois said.  "It was mailed right here in
the city."  She took a bite of toast and chewed thoughtfully while
examining the letter.

It was hand written on ordinary paper, and the message was short:

"Mr. Bender;

LexLabs was involved in a project, titled ‘Doppelganger' under the
direction of a Dr. Isaac Mamba, which potentially endangers the life of
every human on the planet.  I urge you to obtain the file immediately
and take it to Mr. Clark Kent at The Daily Planet, with instructions to
give it to Superman.  He will know what to do with it.  If you fail to
do this it will very probably result in unprecedented disaster for
humanity. The file is among the archives of the Gemini Team, employed by
LexLabs between the years of 1993 and 1996."

The letter was unsigned, of course.  Lois read it over twice before she
looked up.  "Well, that's pretty straightforward."

"Yeah.  There's some sort of disaster in the making that Superman might
be able to prevent, and we have no idea what it is."  Clark examined the
letter from all sides, and the envelope in which it had been sent.
"Hmm.  There's a number scribbled on the back of the envelope.  It's not
the same handwriting as on the letter."

"Maybe it's Bender's," Lois suggested.

"Maybe."  Clark squinted at the letter again, then removed his glasses
and examined it minutely.  "You know, there's something familiar about
this handwrit--" He broke off abruptly.  "Oh my God."

"What?"

"Just a minute.  Maybe I'm wrong."  He was out of the kitchen in a
flash, and Lois heard him opening the bookcase door to the room that
concealed his uniforms.  A moment later he was back, a familiar piece of
paper in his hands.  "This is the note that we found with CJ.  Give me a
minute."

Lois watched tensely as he compared the writing in the two letters.
When he looked up, his face was pale.  "It's the same handwriting.
Whoever sent this wrote both of these letters."

-------------------------

(to be continued)
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You know, I have no interest in participating in any of the Gossip
boards, myself, aka the Fanfic II Boards.  Some of the time, I find the
conversations there amusing and, at other times -- especially when they
involve gossip about a real child -- I find them distasteful.

However something caught my attention posted by "Jet."  I don't know who
Jet is and have never spoken to him or her that I'm aware. Frankly, I
don't want to register to the boards and go to the trouble to figure out
how to post there just to answer this, so I'll answer it here. I'm sure
the message will get where it needs to be.

The post said:
[snip]
>Also, in August a list member posted to the list serv that she observed
>Teri and Emerson before a performance in Washington, D.C., she described
>Emerson having curly hair and wearing a sundress but didn't elaborate
>any further. From past posts, this particular list member usually
>describes everything in minute detail but avoided describing Emerson's
>physical appearance. She must have known that the list members would be
>interested in her description but choose to leave that part out of her
>post. That's ok. I think we all know what she would've said anyway.
[snip]

Your suppositions are ... bull.  I hope that's enough minute detail for
ya.

--
Sandy
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You're correct that this is way off topic, not to mention I don't believe
the
person whose post you reposted here is on this list and therefore has no
means to defend or explain her point of view here. Not that she should have
to since this is a *fanfic* list, not a *gossip* list. I personally don't
like opera, for example, and it's easy for me to avoid opera by not going
*to* the opera. Gossip message boards are similar. If you don't like gossip,
don't *go* to gossip boards.  Conversely, if you love gossip, then post it
to
the gossip message board, or start your own gossip list, but on the fanfic
list, as strange as it may seem, I'd rather read fanfic and talk about
fanfic.  However, to try and be fair to the person who cannot respond on
this
list, I will repost your message to the gossip boards, but I will ask your
permission first, as I'm sure you asked her for permission to post her
message here.

Zoom
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>You know, I have no interest in participating in any of the Gossip
>boards, myself, aka the Fanfic II Boards.  Some of the time, I find the
>conversations there amusing and, at other times -- especially when they
>involve gossip about a real child -- I find them distasteful.

If you find this so distasteful, then why are you posting it here?
Especially since it has nothing whatsoever to do with fanfic or fanfic
discussion. Perhaps a more appropriate place would be to reply to it in the
medium it was first posted (so as to allow the original author a chance at
rebuttal), or failing that, post it to the discussion list.

To put it more bluntly: If it ain't fanfic, I don't wanna see it here.

Misha
(Disclaimer: Not being the List-Mom, my words should not be taken as
gospel.)
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Melissa Day Hall wrote:
>
> >You know, I have no interest in participating in any of the Gossip
> >boards, myself, aka the Fanfic II Boards.  Some of the time, I find the
> >conversations there amusing and, at other times -- especially when they
> >involve gossip about a real child -- I find them distasteful.
>
> If you find this so distasteful, then why are you posting it here?
> Especially since it has nothing whatsoever to do with fanfic or fanfic
> discussion. Perhaps a more appropriate place would be to reply to it in
the
> medium it was first posted (so as to allow the original author a chance at
> rebuttal), or failing that, post it to the discussion list.
>
> To put it more bluntly: If it ain't fanfic, I don't wanna see it here.
>
> Misha
> (Disclaimer: Not being the List-Mom, my words should not be taken as
gospel.)

Then delete it.

Sandy
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The Zoomway wrote:
>
> You're correct that this is way off topic, not to mention I don't believe
the
> person whose post you reposted here is on this list and therefore has no
> means to defend or explain her point of view here. Not that she should
have
> to since this is a *fanfic* list, not a *gossip* list. I personally don't
> like opera, for example, and it's easy for me to avoid opera by not going
> *to* the opera. Gossip message boards are similar. If you don't like
gossip,
> don't *go* to gossip boards.  Conversely, if you love gossip, then post it
to
> the gossip message board, or start your own gossip list, but on the fanfic
> list, as strange as it may seem, I'd rather read fanfic and talk about
> fanfic.  However, to try and be fair to the person who cannot respond on
this
> list, I will repost your message to the gossip boards, but I will ask your
> permission first, as I'm sure you asked her for permission to post her
> message here.
>
> Zoom

The rules of your bulletin board state:

>You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this
>BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory,
>inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane,
>sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or
>otherwise violative of any law.

Her statement was knowingly false and inaccurate. I want it removed.

Sandy
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>Her statement was knowingly false and inaccurate. I want it removed.
>
>Sandy

I shall remove it *immediately*, oh benevolent listmom Sandy...

Melisma
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>Then delete it.

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I don't want to be caught in the neccessity
of deleting it.

Don't post it.

Misha
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At 07:20 PM 10/30/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>Her statement was knowingly false and inaccurate. I want it removed.
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>>Sandy
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>I shall remove it *immediately*, oh benevolent listmom Sandy...
>
>Melisma

That is, *IF* I was listmom, which I'm not... (I wouldn't even if I were,
BTW, and if Zoom doesn't, it's fine by me :P)

Melisma
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I am making an LnC tape full of songs, sounds etc from the show! I am even
including songs on the tape that were mentioned on the show by any of the
characters but where never actually heard.

The latest song I'm adding is "Windy."  Now i remember Clark mentioning that
he had been on the phone for so long that he had learned all 5 verses to the
song, i just can't remember what ep that was! :(  Can someone help me out
here!

Also I am not sure if anyone has done this, but have one of you out there
actually made a list of all of the songs played and mentioned on the show,
along with the eps?  Because if you did, then it will REALLY help me out!

Thanks in advance,
Alexis ;-.)
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At 10:05 PM 30/10/99 -0400, Sandy wrote:
>The rules of your [Zoomway's] bulletin board state:
>>You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this
>>BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory,
>>inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane,
>>sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or
>>otherwise violative of any law.
>
>Her statement was knowingly false and inaccurate. I want it removed.
>Sandy

If I can just jump in here for a moment, I just got home from a great
halloween
party and was about to watch a few old horror flicks into the night with
some
friends when I caught this in my email box.  (I'd honestly rather be
watching
Dracula ;)  And I would certainly not normally respond to something like
this,
but since I run a similar format message board to the one described above, I
feel that there is some clarification necessary at this point.

The above quotation cited by Sandy is the standard disclaimer which comes
prepackaged for the message boards which both Zoomway and myself have up on
our
webservers.  (These are fully customizable, but such editing is not
necessary
since the definition of 'harassment' to an individual and/or speculative
remarks which may be of a negative nature regarding a celebrity are two very
different things).   In light of that, since this was made public here, I'd
like to add a couple of things to the allusion which Sandy mistakenly drew
from
the aforementioned phrase.  (It's a mistake that quite a few fans often
make,
so she's not alone in her error).

The fallacy is to believe that "harassment" of a celebrity entails any sort
of
negative statement made about him/her (or family) and which occurs in a
public
message board discussion forum.   Likewise, the assumption that "false" or
"inaccurate" material which might be found on a celebrity discussion board
are
examples of 'defamation of character'.     Or that the general public (fans)
have to be careful what they say about the celebrity just as diligently as
they
might be careful what they say about their next door neighbor.

Unfortunately, while a utopian ideal such as that looks good on paper,
celebrities are constantly in the so-called 'limelight' and are therefore
speculated about on a regular basis  (barring obscene or blatantly rude
methods
of communication, of course, which aren't acceptable modes of expression in
any
forum of polite discussion).    There is a lot more legal leeway, therefore,
in
so far as the kinds of speculative stories which are allowed to circulate in
forums specifically related to gossip (since the word 'gossip' automatically
means potentially fallible information).

Certainly stories which are passed on as 'gossip' claiming no absolute ties
to
factual data to begin with, are simply par for the course.   The difference
being?  Well,  lets say that I were to take out a widely circulated ad
stating
something damaging about a person (even a celebrity) as fact, then there
might
be a case against me for defamation of character or libel, however, if I
posted
to a discussion group regarding an individual of notoriety with a public
career
and lifestyle, and I placed my post on a self-proclaimed 'gossip' message
board, saying something like:   "I heard...(something), and it looks to me
that
(something else) might be true.", that is perfectly acceptable discussion.
Gossip related discussion regarding a celebrity's personal life may not be
everyone's cup of Java, but that is also  the reason that *separate* forums
(like the gossip folder from which Sandy extracted her quoted excerpt) are
erected to service the interests of a multi-faceted fan community.   That
just
makes sense.  I think we can all agree on that.

Certainly, lifting posts from one forum and placing them into another forum
to
be ripped apart out of context and well out of the jurisdiction of the place
in
which they were originally intended to be read, is *far* more damaging in
terms
of 'spreading knowingly false' statements, than leaving the gossip, in the
gossip barrel where it was originally placed.    The reason being that
people
who knowingly enter a gossip forum are (theoretically) prepared for
speculation.  People who subscribe to any other venue of discussion, never
made
that declaration.  Therefore, any distortions which take place after a
lifted
post is displaced into a new forum are entirely the fault of the person who
corrupted the source of the information to begin with.  A very unfortunate
thing to have happen, IMHO.  Especially when such an action had been bourne
of
ignorance regarding the original venue of expression.

It's clear that there is no protection clause for celebrity gossip on the
internet.   Some may not enjoy it, just as some of us don't enjoy reading
magazines like the National Enquirer, however, speculation  of a public
persona
does happen, and whether we find it to be an enjoyable concept or not, fans
speculating about the love lives of celebrities *is* treated very
differently
than fans speculating on the personal lives or personal adequacies of other
fans (each other).     I say this as much to emphasize the integrity of my
own
forum as to illuminate the fact that Zoomway's forum has (likewise), never
stated to be anything other than what it is.

I can assure you all, as a former forum manager for Warner Brothers Online,
I
am able to vouch for the fact that those rules apply not simply to a select
few
'fan run boards', but everywhere online.  Celebrities can look like target
practice sometimes, but it's the life they've bought both themselves and
their
families into, no matter how unfortunate.

Personally, I think it's very unfortunate that you were upset enough by what
you saw, Sandy, to spread your own definition of 'evil' across who knows how
many more forums of cyberspace.  However, in so far as your supposition
regarding the policy of public forums online was inaccurate, the resulting
argument you put forward regarding that supposition is moot considering it's
impossible for you to assume that Jet's statement was either knowingly false
or
inaccurate.  She was indeed hypothesizing, but in a forum formally labelled
"Gossip" -- and as such, she was perfectly within her rights to do so.

I sincerely hope that in future, those who most adamantly wish the spread of
'false information' not to occur, will also consider what they themselves
are
propagating by removing some piece of particularly disquieting speculative
information and placing it into a totally unrelated, totally unprepared
forum
where it will (for 100% certainty), become twisted out of context by those
who
are not expecting blatant gossip to be posted here, and therefore take the
information without that filter.  In the end, when that happens (and I'm
positive that in at least a few cases it has happened already), the fault
for
the incursion into the realm of 'inappropriate speculation' will have been
crossed, not by someone like Jet, but by the individual who took it upon
themselves to play moral judge and jury in a completely unrelated forum
area.

a very disappointed,
Demi
___________________________________________
Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
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<html><div>At 10:05 PM 30/10/99 -0400, Sandy wrote:</div>
<div>&gt;The rules of your [Zoomway's] bulletin board state:</div>
<div>&gt;&gt;You agree, through your use of this service, that you will
not use this</div>
<div>&gt;&gt;BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or
defamatory,</div>
<div>&gt;&gt;inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene,
profane,</div>
<div>&gt;&gt;sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's
privacy, or</div>
<div>&gt;&gt;otherwise violative of any law.</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
<div>&gt;Her statement was knowingly false and inaccurate. I want it
removed.</div>
<div>&gt;Sandy</div>
<br>
<div>If I can just jump in here for a moment, I just got home from a
great halloween party and was about to watch a few old horror flicks into
the night with some friends when I caught this in my email box.&nbsp;
(I'd honestly rather be watching Dracula ;)&nbsp; And I would certainly
not normally respond to something like this, but since I run a similar
format message board to the one described above, I feel that there is
some clarification necessary at this point.&nbsp; </div>
<br>
<div>The above quotation cited by Sandy is the standard disclaimer which
comes prepackaged for the message boards which both Zoomway and myself
have up on our webservers.&nbsp; (These are fully customizable, but such
editing is not necessary since the definition of 'harassment' to an
individual and/or speculative remarks which may be of a negative nature
regarding a celebrity are two very different things).&nbsp;&nbsp; In
light of that, since this was made public here, I'd like to add a couple
of things to the allusion which Sandy mistakenly drew from the
aforementioned phrase.&nbsp; (It's a mistake that quite a few fans often
make, so she's not alone in her error).</div>
<br>
<div>The fallacy is to believe that &quot;harassment&quot; of a celebrity
entails any sort of negative statement made about him/her (or family) and
which occurs in a public message board discussion forum.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Likewise, the assumption that &quot;false&quot; or &quot;inaccurate&quot;
material which might be found on a celebrity discussion board are
examples of 'defamation of character'.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Or that
the general public (fans) have to be careful what they say about the
celebrity just as diligently as they might be careful what they say about
their next door neighbor. </div>
<br>
<div>Unfortunately, while a utopian ideal such as that looks good on
paper, celebrities are constantly in the so-called 'limelight' and are
therefore speculated about on a regular basis&nbsp; (barring obscene or
blatantly rude methods of communication, of course, which aren't
acceptable modes of expression in any forum of polite
discussion).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There is a lot more legal leeway,
therefore, in so far as the kinds of speculative stories which are
allowed to circulate in forums specifically related to gossip (since the
word 'gossip' automatically means potentially fallible
information).&nbsp;&nbsp; </div>
<br>
<div>Certainly stories which are passed on as 'gossip' claiming no
absolute ties to factual data to begin with, are simply par for the
course.&nbsp;&nbsp; The difference being?&nbsp; Well,&nbsp; lets say that
I were to take out a widely circulated ad stating something damaging
about a person (even a celebrity) as fact, then there might be a case
against me for defamation of character or libel, however, if I posted to
a discussion group regarding an individual of notoriety with a public
career and lifestyle, and I placed my post on a self-proclaimed 'gossip'
message board, saying something like:&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;I
heard...(something), and it looks to me that (something else) might be
true.&quot;, that is perfectly acceptable discussion.&nbsp;&nbsp; Gossip
related discussion regarding a celebrity's personal life may not be
everyone's cup of Java, but that is also&nbsp; the reason that *separate*
forums (like the gossip folder from which Sandy extracted her quoted
excerpt) are erected to service the interests of a multi-faceted fan
community.&nbsp;&nbsp; That just makes sense.&nbsp; I think we can all
agree on that.</div>
<br>
<div>Certainly, lifting posts from one forum and placing them into
another forum to be ripped apart out of context and well out of the
jurisdiction of the place in which they were originally intended to be
read, is *far* more damaging in terms of 'spreading knowingly false'
statements, than leaving the gossip, in the gossip barrel where it was
originally placed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The reason being that people who
knowingly enter a gossip forum are (theoretically) prepared for
speculation.&nbsp; People who subscribe to any other venue of discussion,
never made that declaration.&nbsp; Therefore, any distortions which take
place after a lifted post is displaced into a new forum are entirely the
fault of the person who corrupted the source of the information to begin
with.&nbsp; A very unfortunate thing to have happen, IMHO.&nbsp;
Especially when such an action had been bourne of ignorance regarding the
original venue of expression.</div>
<br>
<div>It's clear that there is no protection clause for celebrity gossip
on the internet.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some may not enjoy it, just as some of us
don't enjoy reading magazines like the National Enquirer, however,
speculation&nbsp; of a public persona does happen, and whether we find it
to be an enjoyable concept or not, fans speculating about the love lives
of celebrities *is* treated very differently than fans speculating on the
personal lives or personal adequacies of other fans (each
other).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I say this as much to emphasize the
integrity of my own forum as to illuminate the fact that Zoomway's forum
has (likewise), never stated to be anything other than what it=20
is.</div>
<br>
<div>I can assure you all, as a former forum manager for Warner Brothers
Online, I am able to vouch for the fact that those rules apply not simply
to a select few 'fan run boards', but everywhere online.&nbsp;
Celebrities can look like target practice sometimes, but it's the life
they've bought both themselves and their families into, no matter how
unfortunate.</div>
<br>
<div>Personally, I think it's very unfortunate that you were upset enough
by what you saw, Sandy, to spread your own definition of 'evil' across
who knows how many more forums of cyberspace.&nbsp; However, in so far as
your supposition regarding the policy of public forums online was
inaccurate, the resulting argument you put forward regarding that
supposition is moot considering it's impossible for you to assume that
Jet's statement was either knowingly false or inaccurate.&nbsp; She was
indeed hypothesizing, but in a forum formally labelled &quot;Gossip&quot;
-- and as such, she was perfectly within her rights to do so.</div>
<br>
<div>I sincerely hope that in future, those who most adamantly wish the
spread of 'false information' not to occur, will also consider what they
themselves are propagating by removing some piece of particularly
disquieting speculative information and placing it into a totally
unrelated, totally unprepared forum where it will (for 100% certainty),
become twisted out of context by those who are not expecting blatant
gossip to be posted here, and therefore take the information without that
filter.&nbsp; In the end, when that happens (and I'm positive that in at
least a few cases it has happened already), the fault for the incursion
into the realm of 'inappropriate speculation' will have been crossed, not
by someone like Jet, but by the individual who took it upon themselves to
play moral judge and jury in a completely unrelated forum area.</div>
<br>
<div>a very disappointed,</div>
Demi
<br>

___________________________________________<br>
Demi aka Demona<br>
<br>
nightangel@home.com<br>
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<br>
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Hey, calm down! This is officially sanctioned to go after Yvonne's closing
of the RPG -- in fact, it's been waiting for Yvonne's post as a go-ahead! :)

First of all, quick reminder:

Donald MacDonald was the corporate baddie who was ultimately nailed for
ordering Underhill to bomb the Daily Planet building, while arranging with
Ms. Harry Dow to make sure that the bomb was lethal enough to blow up a
couple of employees getting too close to some of his private corporate
secrets.

Ron Underhill was the rather slimy (sorry, Joy <eg>) editor of the Star. He
actually arranged the bombing and has hated Perry ever since Perry
innocently scooped a story he was saving (Perry got the story from an
unnamed "source" that might have intended to drive the wedge between the
two of them in the first place), but he squeaked out of major trouble at
the last moment by confessing everything and putting the blame solidly on D
MacD.

Harry Pollack was the foreman at Ace Printing, the printing plant where
work was normally done for the Star and where the Daily Planet was printed
until the DP building was (will be?) repaired. He was on vacation when the
bombing took place and when the initial sabotage at the plant took place
(ink fight, anyone? no peanut butter, though), but once he returned to AP,
things quickly settled down and the printing for the DP went smoothly.

Now then...

Omniscient reader's note:

Below is a selection of e-mails between two characters who call themselves
"Lomion" and "Frodo." The first exchange of e-mails posted here were sent
shortly before and after Harry's appearance in the game; the second set was
sent just before and after MacDonald's arrest. There were others (well,
there *would* have been), but if you read the postscript at the bottom of
this monster, you'll understand why they're not being posted.

"Lomion" is Harry Pollack. "Frodo" is someone else. :) Harry has never met
him. Those of you who have read certain fantasy classics might come to a
certain conclusion regarding Frodo's identity -- the same initial
conclusion as Harry's (whose nick is *much* more obscure, but taken from
the same source). Over time, however, Harry realized that Underhill is
hardly on this level. His next assumption was that "Frodo" is really
MacDonald, but that guess soon also proved to be wrong. As of now, Harry
only knows that "Frodo" is someone -- or something? -- with incredible
power and an almost frightening way of getting hold of any knowledge he
wishes. So who is he, really?

<beg>

Did we promise this is really over...?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[mailed to Frodo at about the time when LnC (with Cat) started moving away
from suspecting Jeffers and wondering about NTM (and Donald MacDonald, the
CEO and the real baddie) instead]

Frodo!

Our regular exchange of chess moves suffered while I was gone. Sorry about
that, but it could hardly be avoided! I set out to make myself as
unaccessible as possible. What's a vacation without freedom from stress? ;)
You might want to try it yourself some time; a good hiking trip can make a
wonderful escape when you need it.

Regarding the latest moves you've made: I would suggest that you might try
a more subtle approach in the future. A frontal attack will be easily
recognized and met head on; a more sidewise approach can often go unnoticed
until it's too late. I know you're a master of the gambit, but obsessing
over your opponent's pawns won't help much if your king is exposed in later
moves.

You certainly don't want to lose the heart of the game. While every piece
on the board has value,  you can always offer a substitute for the real
thing. A chess master understands the usefulness of sacrifice when
necessary. Let your opponent take the piece he or she *thinks* is the focal
point of your whole attack, and then broadside your enemy's pieces when
it's least expected.

For now, I'd suggest knight to queen-five. See how your opponent reacts to
the challenge of a fork. A look at what he or she is willing to sacrifice
can give you a good idea of how your opponent really thinks.

Keep your toes brushed! Now that I'm back, we can be in touch more often.

Lomion

PS. BTW - Despite my best efforts, I can't stop that leak you warned me
about. You'd think the hacker lived somewhere over the rainbow, for all the
success I've had! I can't even get a server name. I think we're going to
have to assume that these e-mails, like all other correspondence, are being
tapped by someone. While chess strategy hardly qualifies as a security
risk, we may as well take it into consideration. Mind you, the disadvantage
of security in e-mails works both ways, wouldn't you say?
_____________

[mailed six minutes after Harry Pollack volunteers to be interviewed by LnC
in a letter to Perry White]

Lomion:

I hope you enjoyed your vacation, but I assure you it will be some time
before I am ready to take a holiday to areas of the world without access to
computers or the internet. Perhaps when all this is over.

Our game has proceeded and I've added your moves to the board, such an
interesting set of players these hand carved chessmen of yours, beware the
King - his exposure is illusory, his position stronger than it appears.

Sacrificing the pawns in a pincher play is an interesting suggestion, but
don't forget that even the Queen can ultimately serve as fodder in pursuit
of the King.

As to the security leak that concerns you, you needn't worry. I have
tracked down the server to listserv.indiana.edu, and discovered that the
hackers in question are so lost in their own fantasy world that they'll
never suspect that these e-mails represent reality. Besides, the leaks
serve my purpose as well.

Do you remember the Ring and its gift?

Frodo

__________

[mailed to Frodo after Harry Dow's arrest for shooting Lara and her
involvement with the bomb, but before the confrontation at the marina with
Perry, Underhill, and MacDonald]

Frodo,

It's been a lively exchange, these last few moves. I'm not surprised that
it looks like we'll come out with a draw. Better than stalemate, wouldn't
you say? :)

It looks like you might want to consider changing the chess pieces. Our
current style is not as popular as it used to be. You never seemed to be
concerned with style, but I really think the time has come!

Real life grows increasingly complicated, I'm afraid. I might not be able
to answer my e-mail for some time -- I have a very important presentation
to make for certain people so they won't get the wrong impression.

Watch out for rickety tables!

Lomion

__________

[mailed fifteen seconds after MacDonald's arrest by Superman]

Lomion:

Your suggestion concurs with my own research and findings. Yes, it is time
to select new pieces for the game. The current ones have proved to be
rather disappointing.

I have discarded them in discreet a manner as possible. One particular
piece, which had already reached its expiration date, was tastefully
disguised so that its disposal appeared to be the result of other factors;
the others have been safely locked away. I will keep you informed when we
are ready to start the game again.

One small reminder: remember the original Lomion's ending, my friend. I'd
be highly distressed if anything similar happened to you. And I'm not
worrying about rickety tables, as it will be some time before I have a
chance to drink or dance.

Frodo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hazel's note: I am posting this on behalf of poor Judith Tylke, who not
only volunteered to take part in "Once Upon a Time in Metropolis" as "chief
baddie," but painstakingly designed an amazingly original and complex
character for the purpose. Unfortunately, Judith's servers have thrown one
tantrum after another and she has been unable to get e-mail for weeks, if
not months! We did manage to exchange... let me see now... two e-mails at
one point, before her server went sulking into the corner all over again.

Like many other characters in this lovely RPG, Harry changed drastically
from my original visualization. Circumstances like being nomail for the
first three weeks of the game and Judith's unavailability left Harry
quietly presenting his "good side" to the world. He has one, certainly. As
Clark -- er, Superman tells Lois, he's arranged for AP to take care of the
Superman Foundation's printing needs at cost price, sometimes for free. But
he has another side as well -- one that didn't come out in this particular
story, but as the subject line says, It's Not Over Yet. :) Careful reading
between the lines of these e-mails might show just how much "Frodo"
manipulated various characters, but as to his identity... hey, even Harry
doesn't know! How am I supposed to tell you? ;p

One more *very* important thing: THREE LOUD CHEERS Yvonne and her band of
loyal elves who slaved away at this RPG! They dealt with more fragile ego
and arguments than Perry on a bad day, and did it with dignity and
delicacy. They also somehow managed to take all the threads and somehow tie
them together into something resembling a cohesive plot. :D On behalf of
all the players as well as the three hundred plus listees who were so
wonderfully entertained, THANK YOU!!!

...And let's not forget the honorable mention for Phil, who helped tie up
loose ends and graciously allowed himself to enter FoLC legend together
with a certain rat residing in STAR Labs. :) We'll try to forget the mad
scientist label, Phil, really!

Hazel

(who never writes in caps, but couldn't help it this time! :) )
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In a message dated 10/31/1999 3:38:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes:

<<  I have
 tracked down the server to listserv.indiana.edu, and discovered that the
 hackers in question are so lost in their own fantasy world that they'll
 never suspect that these e-mails represent reality. >>

LOL!!

--Laurie
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Demi,

Without commenting on your very excellent letter, and
understanding exactly how you got the impression that
you did, Sandy was not protesting the speculation
about Teri but was protesting that fact that a poster
to the message board was putting words into Sandy's
mouth.  The poster used one of Sandy's posts on a
different topic to 'prove' a point of her own.

In this case, whether Sandy believes the gossip or not
is in many ways irrelevant. (Although I do know what
she feels about it <g>) What is relevant is that
someone has taken her words, and twisted them to fit a
certain scenario.  I agree with Sandy that this was
presumptuous and gives the impression that Sandy holds
views that she in reality actually does not believe.

I hope that I have clarified this issue.

To reiterate - someone said that Sandy said 'X'.
Sandy didn't say 'X'. An apology should be made on the
message boards by the original poster to Sandy, and
that particular post deleted. The tempest would then
be over.

Just the way I see it,
Irene

--- "Demona (Angel Of The Night)"
<nightangel@HOME.COM> wrote:
>
> At 10:05 PM 30/10/99 -0400, Sandy wrote:
> >The rules of your [Zoomway's] bulletin board state:
> >>You agree, through your use of this service, that
> you will not use this
> >>BB to post any material which is knowingly false
> and/or defamatory,
> >>inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing,
> obscene, profane,
> >>sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a
> person's privacy, or
> >>otherwise violative of any law.
> >
> >Her statement was knowingly false and inaccurate. I
> want it removed.
> >Sandy
>
> If I can just jump in here for a moment, I just got
> home from a great halloween
> party and was about to watch a few old horror flicks
> into the night with some
> friends when I caught this in my email box.  (I'd
> honestly rather be watching
> Dracula ;)  And I would certainly not normally
> respond to something like this,
> but since I run a similar format message board to
> the one described above, I
> feel that there is some clarification necessary at
> this point.
>
> The above quotation cited by Sandy is the standard
> disclaimer which comes
> prepackaged for the message boards which both
> Zoomway and myself have up on our
> webservers.  (These are fully customizable, but such
> editing is not necessary
> since the definition of 'harassment' to an
> individual and/or speculative
> remarks which may be of a negative nature regarding
> a celebrity are two very
> different things).   In light of that, since this
> was made public here, I'd
> like to add a couple of things to the allusion which
> Sandy mistakenly drew from
> the aforementioned phrase.  (It's a mistake that
> quite a few fans often make,
> so she's not alone in her error).
>
> The fallacy is to believe that "harassment" of a
> celebrity entails any sort of
> negative statement made about him/her (or family)
> and which occurs in a public
> message board discussion forum.   Likewise, the
> assumption that "false" or
> "inaccurate" material which might be found on a
> celebrity discussion board are
> examples of 'defamation of character'.     Or that
> the general public (fans)
> have to be careful what they say about the celebrity
> just as diligently as they
> might be careful what they say about their next door
> neighbor.
>
> Unfortunately, while a utopian ideal such as that
> looks good on paper,
> celebrities are constantly in the so-called
> 'limelight' and are therefore
> speculated about on a regular basis  (barring
> obscene or blatantly rude methods
> of communication, of course, which aren't acceptable
> modes of expression in any
> forum of polite discussion).    There is a lot more
> legal leeway, therefore, in
> so far as the kinds of speculative stories which are
> allowed to circulate in
> forums specifically related to gossip (since the
> word 'gossip' automatically
> means potentially fallible information).
>
> Certainly stories which are passed on as 'gossip'
> claiming no absolute ties to
> factual data to begin with, are simply par for the
> course.   The difference
> being?  Well,  lets say that I were to take out a
> widely circulated ad stating
> something damaging about a person (even a celebrity)
> as fact, then there might
> be a case against me for defamation of character or
> libel, however, if I posted
> to a discussion group regarding an individual of
> notoriety with a public career
> and lifestyle, and I placed my post on a
> self-proclaimed 'gossip' message
> board, saying something like:   "I
> heard...(something), and it looks to me that
> (something else) might be true.", that is perfectly
> acceptable discussion.
> Gossip related discussion regarding a celebrity's
> personal life may not be
> everyone's cup of Java, but that is also  the reason
> that *separate* forums
> (like the gossip folder from which Sandy extracted
> her quoted excerpt) are
> erected to service the interests of a multi-faceted
> fan community.   That just
> makes sense.  I think we can all agree on that.
>
> Certainly, lifting posts from one forum and placing
> them into another forum to
> be ripped apart out of context and well out of the
> jurisdiction of the place in
> which they were originally intended to be read, is
> *far* more damaging in terms
> of 'spreading knowingly false' statements, than
> leaving the gossip, in the
> gossip barrel where it was originally placed.    The
> reason being that people
> who knowingly enter a gossip forum are
> (theoretically) prepared for
> speculation.  People who subscribe to any other
> venue of discussion, never made
> that declaration.  Therefore, any distortions which
> take place after a lifted
> post is displaced into a new forum are entirely the
> fault of the person who
> corrupted the source of the information to begin
> with.  A very unfortunate
> thing to have happen, IMHO.  Especially when such an
> action had been bourne of
> ignorance regarding the original venue of
> expression.
>
> It's clear that there is no protection clause for
> celebrity gossip on the
> internet.   Some may not enjoy it, just as some of
> us don't enjoy reading
> magazines like the National Enquirer, however,
> speculation  of a public persona
> does happen, and whether we find it to be an
> enjoyable concept or not, fans
> speculating about the love lives of celebrities *is*
> treated very differently
> than fans speculating on the personal lives or
> personal adequacies of other
> fans (each other).     I say this as much to
> emphasize the integrity of my own
> forum as to illuminate the fact that Zoomway's forum
> has (likewise), never
> stated to be anything other than what it is.
>
> I can assure you all, as a former forum manager for
> Warner Brothers Online, I
> am able to vouch for the fact that those rules apply
> not simply to a select few
> 'fan run boards', but everywhere online.
> Celebrities can look like target
> practice sometimes, but it's the life they've bought
> both themselves and their
> families into, no matter how unfortunate.
>
> Personally, I think it's very unfortunate that you
> were upset enough by what
> you saw, Sandy, to spread your own definition of
> 'evil' across who knows how
> many more forums of cyberspace.  However, in so far
> as your supposition
> regarding the policy of public forums online was
> inaccurate, the resulting
> argument you put forward regarding that supposition
> is moot considering it's
> impossible for you to assume that Jet's statement
> was either knowingly false or
> inaccurate.  She was indeed hypothesizing, but in a
> forum formally labelled
> "Gossip" -- and as such, she was perfectly within
> her rights to do so.
>
> I sincerely hope that in future, those who most
> adamantly wish the spread of
> 'false information' not to occur, will also consider
> what they themselves are
> propagating by removing some piece of particularly
> disquieting speculative
> information and placing it into a totally unrelated,
> totally unprepared forum
> where it will (for 100% certainty), become twisted
> out of context by those who
> are not expecting blatant gossip to be posted here,
> and therefore take the
> information without that filter.  In the end, when
> that happens (and I'm
> positive that in at least a few cases it has
> happened already), the fault for
> the incursion into the realm of 'inappropriate
> speculation' will have been
> crossed, not by someone like Jet, but by the
> individual who took it upon
> themselves to play moral judge and jury in a
> completely unrelated forum area.
>
> a very disappointed,
>
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Date:         Sun, 31 Oct 1999 07:58:36 -0500
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<sigh>

I really don't want to get involved in this one, but I think I spot a
misunderstanding and I can't stand that, either...

Sandy claimed Jet's post was "knowingly false and inaccurate."  Demi
responded that celebrity gossip isn't under the same rules as those for
Joe & Judy Regular.  However, I'm pretty sure Sandy was upset about what
Jet implied about "the person who posted" the original note about Teri &
Emmy -- i.e., Sandy.  Sandy feels *she* has been smeared (in a forum
that she's well-known to shun, btw).

At least that's my theory.  I know Sandy's a big girl and well able to
take care of herself, but in the heat of argument, sometimes we aren't
able to see or respond clearly.

PJ
who, for the record, agrees with Sandy about gossip but also agrees that
it's inappropriate for this list.
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>
> Also I am not sure if anyone has done this, but have one of you out there
> actually made a list of all of the songs played and mentioned on the show,
> along with the eps?  Because if you did, then it will REALLY help me out!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Alexis ;-.)

Alexis, you should go to Erin Klingler's site
( http://www.ida.net/users/davek/sound.html ) . She made a list of the songs
played on the show.
I don't know if it covers everything, but maybe it can be useful.
CIAO, Elena

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Demi said:
>The fallacy is to believe that "harassment" of a celebrity entails any
>sort of negative statement made about him/her (or family) and which
>occurs in a public message board discussion forum.   Likewise, the
>assumption that "false" or "inaccurate" material which might be found on
>a celebrity discussion board are examples of 'defamation of character'.
>Or that the general public (fans) have to be careful what they say about
>the celebrity just as diligently as they might be careful what they say
>about their next door neighbor.

Excuse me?  *I* am not a celebrity.  That paragraph was making
suppositions about *me*.  I don't normally respond to all the baloney I
see on that board and would never have done so if it hadn't included
false statements about what "I must have known," "what I *must* have
left out of my post," and "that everyone knows what I would have said"
if I had ... what?  Had been "truthful" as defined by someone else?

The mistake that was *finally* made on the boards is that someone posted
inaccuracies about someone who *can* actually respond -- me!

This person never checked with me to find out whether what they're
saying about *me* was true.  (My real name and address is right here and
always has been.)  Nothing's ever been hidden.  Someone makes up stuff
about what I must have saw and what I must have left out on purpose, and
*I'm* in the wrong here?

Nope.  Don't buy it.

>Certainly, lifting posts from one forum and placing them into another
>forum to be ripped apart out of context and well out of the jurisdiction
>of the place in which they were originally intended to be read, is *far*
>more damaging in terms of 'spreading knowingly false' statements, than
>leaving the gossip, in the gossip barrel where it was originally placed.

Here! Here!

My original post about TH and her daughter -- which was made on *this*
list, by the way, and ended up on that gossip board -- was supposed to
be a description of a sweet and charming moment between a mother and her
child. It was lifted from *this* forum and twisted to suit someone
else's agenda.  And -- to top it off -- the part which was twisted was
about me.

>The reason being that people who knowingly enter a gossip forum are
>(theoretically) prepared for speculation.  People who subscribe to any
>other venue of discussion, never made that declaration.  Therefore, any
>distortions which take place after a lifted post is displaced into a new
>forum are entirely the fault of the person who corrupted the source of
>the information to begin with.  A very unfortunate thing to have happen,
>IMHO.  Especially when such an action had been bourne of ignorance
>regarding the original venue of expression.

I think it's more unfortunate that someone totally ignorant of me -- and
the original event which I witnessed and *only* I witnessed -- chose to
distort it.

>Personally, I think it's very unfortunate that you were upset enough by
>what you saw, Sandy, to spread your own definition of 'evil' across who
>knows how many more forums of cyberspace.

Excuse me?  My definition of evil spread across who knows how many
forums of cyberspace?  Seriously, I cannot think of one decent response
to this hyperbole which doesn't involve me tearing out my hair.

>However, in so far as your supposition regarding the policy of public
>forums online was inaccurate, the resulting argument you put forward
>regarding that supposition is moot considering it's impossible for you
>to assume that Jet's statement was either knowingly false or
>inaccurate.  She was indeed hypothesizing, but in a forum formally
>labelled "Gossip" -- and as such, she was perfectly within her rights to
>do so.

Impossible for me to assume I know my own mind and my own intentions?
So, what you're saying is that she *knew* that I left information out of
my original post about TH and that *I* did so purposely?  *She* knew
what *I* would have reported if I had told "the whole truth?"  But, it's
impossible for *me* to know that.

I don't believe this! What rebuttal is there for that?

"Oh!  Sorry!  I'm wrong!  I left stuff out.  I didn't tell the truth.
Thank you for putting me straight on that!"

Really.

And, of course, this complete stranger who doesn't know a thing about me
nor even bothered to confirm anything with me, knows me and what I saw
better than I do.

>In the end, when that happens (and I'm positive that in at least a few
>cases it has happened already), the fault for the incursion into the
>realm of 'inappropriate speculation' will have been crossed, not by
>someone like Jet, but by the individual who took it upon themselves to
>play moral judge and jury in a completely unrelated forum area.

All I ask is that my motivations and my "relative truthfulness" not be
bandied about on a gossip board to support some distasteful bit of rumor
for someone's entertainment.

>a very disappointed,
>Demi

Not as disappointed as I am.  Frankly, I'm now sorry I ever reported the
original siting, and if I ever am fortunate enough to witness anything
again, as unlikely as that is, I won't be reporting it.  God knows, I
probably wouldn't be telling the whole story anyway.

I'm going away now. I'll be back to talk about *fanfic* -- the Real
McCoy -- later, when I get over how angry I am.

Sandy
My address to confirm my intentions, motivations, and truthfulness -->
smcdermin@erols.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sandy McDermin <smcdermin@EROLS.COM>
Date: Saturday, October 30, 1999 9:07 PM
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>The rules of your bulletin board state:
>
>>You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this
>>BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory,
>>inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane,
>>sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or
>>otherwise violative of any law.
>
>Her statement was knowingly false and inaccurate. I want it removed.

>
>Sandy

Sandy, since you're computer-literate enough to find these rules, (which is
more than I could do) how is it that you missed the little link on the top
of EVERY post that enables you to write to the person who posted the
message--personally and privately?  Which needless to say would have been a
lot more effective, efficient, and not to mention, *appropriate*?

cerise
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> Sandy, since you're computer-literate enough to find these rules, (which
is
> more than I could do) how is it that you missed the little link on the top
> of EVERY post that enables you to write to the person who posted the
> message--personally and privately?  Which needless to say would have been
a
> lot more effective, efficient, and not to mention, *appropriate*?
>
> cerise

I did check for an e-mail address. Believe me!  However, "Jet's" profile
said current e-mail "not available."  So, I had no real name and no
address.

Besides, the untruths about me were posted publicly, I responded
publicly.  I'm sorry I did it here, but 1) I don't want to register to
the gossip boards and 2) this was the quickest way for me to answer and
that was important to me -- to squelch it quickly and publicly.

Sorry you find my actions inappropriate.
--
Sandy
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Date:         Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:39:35 EST
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Oh no!  Does this mean I have to have lunch with Gandalf?

Cat
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Carol wrote:

>Oh no!  Does this mean I have to have lunch with Gandalf?
>
>Cat

Well, "Cat," according to Aragorn, cats stuck around with Queen Beruthiel
and acted as her spies. Sounds right up your alley to *me*! :)

Hazel
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Nice vignette, Claire!

SPOILER SPACE

>To complete the gift, Lois could throw in the sea-
>foam t-straps she'd suffered in as maid of honour for Lucy when her
>sister had married Jimmy--no--James Olson.
>        Slipping on a stylish pair of serious walking shoes, Lois
>wondered how many girls had two sisters named Lucy, even if one
>really was a cousin.  Not only that, how many offices had a gopher
>named Jimmy Olson who rose to become a foreign correspondent
>right at the moment that another gopher named Jimmy Olson was
>hired?  Good thing the first Jimmy had decided to go with James.

LOL, cute ... you had me sure this was a future story, with Lucy and Jimmy
married, then you executed a neat turnaround.  Fun. :)

Kathy

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At 04:59 AM 31/10/99 -0800, Irene wrote:
>Demi,
>Without commenting on your very excellent letter, and
>understanding exactly how you got the impression that
>you did, Sandy was not protesting the speculation
>about Teri but was protesting that fact that a poster
>to the message board was putting words into Sandy's
>mouth.  The poster used one of Sandy's posts on a
>different topic to 'prove' a point of her own.

I did realize that. In actuality, the point I was making was twofold.  In
the
first, I was indeed saying that speculation regarding a celebrity was
something
which had a very specific place in a very specific forum, however, that
point
rested within a larger context, which was my primary focus.  That being:

Understanding completely that Sandy felt her words were used to prove a
point
she did not agree with, I was *also* stating that for anyone who felt
similarly
to decide to then turn around and (in argument against such falsehoods),
then
use a completely unrelated forum as a venue in which to argue against a
subject
which is moot (in that forum), when the primary targeted 'offender' doesn't
even subscribe to this forum and *especially* considering the other forum is
easily accessible for public response -- that type of response is not a
particularly healthy way to stop the propagation of inaccuracy.  It may be a
great way to start a war regarding a topic which isn't even a viable topic
for
discussion within the context of the new forum, however, I see no purpose
for
it other than that.

To my mind, Sandy had several avenues of contact towards resolution which
she
might have taken to alleviate the situation without pouring gasoline into
the
unrelated fanfiction listserver and lighting a match.     In fact, I noticed
several back and forth flame-worthy posts here, at least one of which
demanded
that message board forum posts be 'removed' from the *other* forum, and I
don't
understand why those requests were not directed to the forum administrator
personally and singularily, as opposed to being left in an area where only a
select few people would even know what was going on, and certainly could do
nothing to have the posts removed, as requested.

I sympathize with the fact that Sandy was angry about her sighting being
speculated upon (though I imagine anyone who's ever posted a sighting has
had
it speculated upon in some form, one way or another).  Online now-a-days, it
really is impossible to police where your information ends up and how it's
retold if you decide to interact in a public discussion forum.  And that can
be
infuriating at times, without question.   I know from personal experience
that
my own words have been (shall we say) 'reused' by various in sundry and I
wasn't necessarily pleased with the results either, however, when we discuss
our sightings and points of view in public, these things do happen.  It then
becomes up to us (if we care about the issue), to step into whichever forum
misquoted us, and clarify at the root of the problem.  If it matters to us,
we
do this.  If not, we walk away.  And when the other forum is as easy to
subscribe to as the message board forum in question, clarification is only a
few simple clicks away, or a letter to the administrator in charge (whom, in
this case, was a personal acquaintance of Sandy's).

You see, to my mind, there is no use in debating *here* about whether or not
Sandy's words were used by a FoLC, out of context in another area -- least
of
all when the offensive comment occured in an area wherein it was perfectly
easy
for Sandy to have clarified the issue personally, in public if she so
desired
-- and immediately.     This in addition to the ability she had to write the
forum administrator, (a fairly prominent member of this fan community) in
private and continue to discuss her concerns.

As someone who runs such a message board myself,  I have to say that when
I'm
written to privately about an issue, whether it receives an actionable
response
by me or not, I look into it immediately.    I've worked a long time, as
anyone
else who's ever done something like this has also, to build a system for the
most polite and friendly form of interaction on my boards as is possible.  I
deal with issues as quickly as I'm able (as I'm certain Zoomway does as
well),
and regardless of why Sandy was actually upset, posting about it *here*
achieved nothing, though it caused her even greater anger, as it apparently
did
a couple of other people whose posts I've read in the past day or so.

Whether she was right or wrong to be upset, I'm not even attempting to judge
her based on that (and I did indeed see the reason which Irene and Pam have
further illustrated).  I am, however, stating that the method by which she
chose to deal with her concern *here* instead of there, as well as the
remark
she made about the other forum as well as it's administrator by association,
having misrepresenting itself (as fanfiction when it was actually gossip,
which
of course was not so), these factors conspired to form a response which on
the
whole, was far less than productive, to my mind.

When you consider how many other options there were (especially for someone
as
eloquent as Sandy, when she has a point to make), and that the avenue
finally
chosen only lead to more problems and argument, I have to be honest.   I
feel
the same way about this subject this morning as I did last night.
Disappointed.

Demi
___________________________________________
Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
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<html><div>At 04:59 AM 31/10/99 -0800, Irene wrote:</div>
<div>&gt;Demi,</div>
<div>&gt;Without commenting on your very excellent letter, and</div>
<div>&gt;understanding exactly how you got the impression that</div>
<div>&gt;you did, Sandy was not protesting the speculation</div>
<div>&gt;about Teri but was protesting that fact that a poster</div>
<div>&gt;to the message board was putting words into Sandy's</div>
<div>&gt;mouth.&nbsp; The poster used one of Sandy's posts on a</div>
<div>&gt;different topic to 'prove' a point of her own.</div>
<br>
<div>I did realize that. In actuality, the point I was making was
twofold.&nbsp; In the first, I was indeed saying that speculation
regarding a celebrity was something which had a very specific place in a
very specific forum, however, that point rested within a larger context,
which was my primary focus.&nbsp; That being:</div>
<br>
<div>Understanding completely that Sandy felt her words were used to
prove a point she did not agree with, I was *also* stating that for
anyone who felt similarly to decide to then turn around and (in argument
against such falsehoods), then use a completely unrelated forum as a
venue in which to argue against a subject which is moot (in that forum),
when the primary targeted 'offender' doesn't even subscribe to this forum
and *especially* considering the other forum is easily accessible for
public response -- that type of response is not a particularly healthy
way to stop the propagation of inaccuracy.&nbsp; It may be a great way to
start a war regarding a topic which isn't even a viable topic for
discussion within the context of the new forum, however, I see no purpose
for it other than that.</div>
<br>
<div>To my mind, Sandy had several avenues of contact towards resolution
which she might have taken to alleviate the situation without pouring
gasoline into the unrelated fanfiction listserver and lighting a
match.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In fact, I noticed several back and forth
flame-worthy posts here, at least one of which demanded that message
board forum posts be 'removed' from the *other* forum, and I don't
understand why those requests were not directed to the forum
administrator personally and singularily, as opposed to being left in an
area where only a select few people would even know what was going on,
and certainly could do nothing to have the posts removed, as
requested.</div>
<br>
<div>I sympathize with the fact that Sandy was angry about her sighting
being speculated upon (though I imagine anyone who's ever posted a
sighting has had it speculated upon in some form, one way or
another).&nbsp; Online now-a-days, it really is impossible to police
where your information ends up and how it's retold if you decide to
interact in a public discussion forum.&nbsp; And that can be infuriating
at times, without question.&nbsp;&nbsp; I know from personal experience
that my own words have been (shall we say) 'reused' by various in sundry
and I wasn't necessarily pleased with the results either, however, when
we discuss our sightings and points of view in public, these things do
happen.&nbsp; It then becomes up to us (if we care about the issue), to
step into whichever forum misquoted us, and clarify at the root of the
problem.&nbsp; If it matters to us, we do this.&nbsp; If not, we walk
away.&nbsp; And when the other forum is as easy to subscribe to as the
message board forum in question, clarification is only a few simple
clicks away, or a letter to the administrator in charge (whom, in this
case, was a personal acquaintance of Sandy's).</div>
<br>
<div>You see, to my mind, there is no use in debating *here* about
whether or not Sandy's words were used by a FoLC, out of context in
another area -- least of all when the offensive comment occured in an
area wherein it was perfectly easy for Sandy to have clarified the issue
personally, in public if she so desired -- and
immediately.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This in addition to the ability she
had to write the forum administrator, (a fairly prominent member of this
fan community) in private and continue to discuss her concerns.</div>
<br>
<div>As someone who runs such a message board myself,&nbsp; I have to say
that when I'm written to privately about an issue, whether it receives an
actionable response by me or not, I look into it
immediately.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've worked a long time, as anyone else
who's ever done something like this has also, to build a system for the
most polite and friendly form of interaction on my boards as is
possible.&nbsp; I deal with issues as quickly as I'm able (as I'm certain
Zoomway does as well), and regardless of why Sandy was actually upset,
posting about it *here* achieved nothing, though it caused her even
greater anger, as it apparently did a couple of other people whose posts
I've read in the past day or so.&nbsp;&nbsp; </div>
<br>
<div>Whether she was right or wrong to be upset, I'm not even attempting
to judge her based on that (and I did indeed see the reason which Irene
and Pam have further illustrated).&nbsp; I am, however, stating that the
method by which she chose to deal with her concern *here* instead of
there, as well as the remark she made about the other forum as well as
it's administrator by association, having misrepresenting itself (as
fanfiction when it was actually gossip, which of course was not so),
these factors conspired to form a response which on the whole, was far
less than productive, to my mind.</div>
<br>
<div>When you consider how many other options there were (especially for
someone as eloquent as Sandy, when she has a point to make), and that the
avenue finally chosen only lead to more problems and argument, I have to
be honest.&nbsp;&nbsp; I feel the same way about this subject this
morning as I did last night.&nbsp; Disappointed.</div>
<br>
Demi
<br>

___________________________________________<br>
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<br>
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Ok I have just a few things to say on this matter.. I think that a whole
bunch of trouble and ruffled feathers could have been avoided by the simple
expediency of Sandy drawing attention to the post that she found offensive
but not blaring into anyones faces...
Eg:
> Besides, the untruths about me were posted publicly, I responded
> publicly.  I'm sorry I did it here, but 1) I don't want to register to
> the gossip boards and 2) this was the quickest way for me to answer and
> that was important to me -- to squelch it quickly and publicly

Understanable that you wanted to clear with everyone that you did not think
that Jet's words were accurate but would it have been nicer to make it an
in joke?  you could have posted the fallacy of her post by taking little
bits and saying wow how in the world did she get that? I thought that i
meant what I had said... well I guess if you are looking for something then
you will find it if you are determined to.. well I am going to quite down
now but I just thought that I would mention that there was faults on both
sides.. there is no way to have an argument of any kind without that being
the case...

Marnie Rowe
Bumpkin@cgocable.net
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Date:         Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:25:51 EST
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In a message dated 10/31/99 1:24:04 PM Central Standard Time,
smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:

<< Besides, the untruths about me were posted publicly, I responded
 publicly.  I'm sorry I did it here, but 1) I don't want to register to
 the gossip boards and 2) this was the quickest way for me to answer and
 that was important to me -- to squelch it quickly and publicly. >>

Now this I can clear up easily. When you register for the message boards, it
registers you to *all* of them *regardless* of where you hit up the
"register" link. In other words, you wouldn't be just registered to the
gossip boards. The only forum that is different is the nfic forum, however,
it requires the same register link in addition to an extra password.

I don't think anything was "squelched", though, since the one person you
seemed most concerned over recently posted to the message boards that she's
in the dark over the furor because she's been set to "nomail" on this list
since early September. I have to admit I must have read dozens of Cabaret
posts and descriptions or mentions of Teri and/or Emerson (one post even
described the bumper stickers on Teri's jeep) that I couldn't have possibly
picked out who Jet was referring to so easily since, unlike you, she did not
post your (or anyone else's) post verbatim to the message boards, nor
mention
any poster by name.  I will take your or her word for it that it was your
post though.

However, all that said, this is still the wrong forum to address what you
felt was a wrong done to you in another forum. If the wrong was done there,
then address it there. Someone has even volunteered to post for you there if
you don't want to post for your self. On the other hand, had Jet used your
post *here* for her speculation, you'd have every right to address the issue
here. I doubt anyone would argue that point at all.

However, since it didn't happen here, and there are people who do not like
gossip at all and probably never expected to read it on a fanfic list of all
things, it caused a few angry responses from people who felt they were
dragged into something they shouldn't have been dragged into. Isn't that now
you felt?  As someone posted on the message boards "two wrongs do not make a
right".  Though this does give me the opportunity to ask those who have been
writing to me thinking I'm in charge of the fanfic list and are upset about
gossip being posted to this list, please write to Farah. I was only in
charge
of the list temporarily.  Thankee ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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Date:         Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:25:57 EST
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Alexis,
Clark hears the 'windy' song in the episode 'operation blackout' I believe.
I KNOW it's a second season ep but for some reason that one comes to mind.
hope this helps
mols:)
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The Zoomway wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/31/99 1:24:04 PM Central Standard Time,
> smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:
>
> << Besides, the untruths about me were posted publicly, I responded
>  publicly.  I'm sorry I did it here, but 1) I don't want to register to
>  the gossip boards and 2) this was the quickest way for me to answer and
>  that was important to me -- to squelch it quickly and publicly. >>

> I don't think anything was "squelched", though, since the one person you
> seemed most concerned over recently posted to the message boards that
she's
> in the dark over the furor because she's been set to "nomail" on this list
> since early September. I have to admit I must have read dozens of Cabaret
> posts and descriptions or mentions of Teri and/or Emerson (one post even
> described the bumper stickers on Teri's jeep) that I couldn't have
possibly
> picked out who Jet was referring to so easily since, unlike you, she did
not
> post your (or anyone else's) post verbatim to the message boards, nor
mention
> any poster by name.  I will take your or her word for it that it was your
> post though.

Oh, I see. Now the very fact that it was about my post at all is in
doubt.

Okay, I give up.  I'm a big liar. Jet -- whoever she is -- knows exactly
what she's talking about.  If she was even talking about me in her post
-- and she probably wasn't -- she would definitely know the person's
thoughts whose post she was claiming to know so much about.  It's all my
fault. I apologize to this list, to you, to Jet for being upset over her
claims of knowledge about the poster and for posting my concerns on this
list instead of jumping on a board I never wanted to post to -- which
was obviously the most egregious wrong in this whole affair and not her
purported lie about the intentions and thoughts of "whoever" this poster
was. It's all my fault.  It's just me being difficult.  I had no right
to get upset.  No right at all.

Thanks.  I appreciate your concerns over my feelings and your message on
the boards about how you were going to keep the portion of her message
about me(?) there despite it being inaccurate and despite my obvious
unhappiness over it.

By the way, I know this will mean nothing to you, but my distress is
quite personal since I was an illegitimate child -- or at least my
mother's husband was not my father -- and the question of my parentage
caused me much pain for many years -- especially "the talk" surrounding
it when I was a child.  Just thought people should know *why* I'm very
sensitive on this issue and don't want to be *forced* into contributing
to such "gossip" rather than have them think I'm just blowing smoke.

I'm sure your concern for my feelings will be overwhelming.

Sandra McDermin (Yost)
smcdermin@erols.com
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Thanks to both Mols and Elena. =)  I think your info is going to help me out
a lot!

Thanks again,
Alexis ;-.)
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Date:         Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:56:46 -0800
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Subject:      NEW STORY:  Doppelganger:  Part 11
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Summary:  Everyone always assumed that H. G. Wells was responsible for
the magical appearance of the baby at the end of "The Family Hour".  But
what if he wasn't?

Doppelganger:  Part 11

by Nan Smith

"The same person?  Then CJ is somehow tied to this backup plan of
Lex's?"  Lois's eyes met Clark's, her expression stricken.

"It looks like it."  Clark said.

"Oh, Clark!   ‘Project Doppelganger' was the clone project!  Does that
mean that CJ is some sort of clone?"

"Maybe."  Clark put his hand over hers.  "But not necessarily.  And even
if he is, that doesn't change anything."  He clenched his jaw tightly.
"There's one way to find out."

"Dr. Klein," Lois said.

"Yeah, Dr. Klein," Clark said.  "He could find out one way or another.
At least we'd know, and he wouldn't give anything away."

"Clark, CJ looks so much like you.  Could he be a clone of you?"

Clark shrugged.  "I guess it's possible, but I don't see how.  I've been
careful ever since the Superman clone appeared.  He retrieved the lock
of hair they used to clone me, and I destroyed it."

Lois nodded.  "Lex was probably behind that, too, you know.  His people
were the only ones who ever produced clones that we know of, and he
would have loved to have had a Superman under his control."

"Yeah.  It makes sense."  Clark squeezed her hand.  "Shall we ask Dr.
Klein to do the test?"

Lois bit her lip and then nodded again.  "Yes.  That way we'll be sure."

"Okay."  He reached over and pulled her into his arms.  "Lois, CJ has
been with us for over three months, and he's shown no sign of
accelerated growth.  I'm going to ask Dr. Klein, as Superman, to do the
test, and tell him why.  Personally, I doubt there's anything to worry
about, but they're after CJ for some reason.  We need to eliminate this
possibility."

"Do you suppose he's at S.T.A.R. Labs?  It's Saturday."

"I'll call him.  I want to explain the situation in person, anyway."

Incredibly, the scientist was not at his lab.  Clark called his home.
After four rings, Dr Klein answered.

"Hello?"  He muffled a sneeze.

"Dr. Klein?  It's Superman.  You sound like you aren't feeling well.."

"Superman?"  Dr. Klein's voice was clearly surprised.  "Yes, I have a
cold.  Is there something I can do for you?"

"Yes, there is.  I'd like to come by to see you, if that's all right.  I
don't want to discuss this over the phone.  It's private."

"Yes, certainly.  Come right over."

"Thank you, Doctor Klein.  Would it be all right if I brought someone
along?  We need to explain something."

Dr. Klein sneezed again.  "As long as he doesn't mind risking a cold."

"We'll be right there.  Thanks."  He hung up.

*     *     *     *     *

Dr. Klein frowned as Superman finished speaking.  "So, you're saying
that somehow CJ may be connected to this ‘Project Doppelganger' and you
want me to run a check on him for frog DNA."

Superman nodded.  "That's it in a nutshell, Dr. Klein.  It's one
possibility we'd like to eliminate, if possible."

"All right."  Bernard Klein grinned crookedly at the super-hero, then
muffled a sneeze in his handkerchief.  "You know, my life has gotten a
lot more exciting since I became your doctor, Superman.  Bring CJ here
and I'll get a sample.  I have the equipment available to take it and
preserve it until I can transport it to the Lab.  That's probably the
best, anyway; I assume you want to keep this confidential, no matter
what the results."

"Yes," Clark told him.  "Clark and Lois don't want any unpleasant rumors
circulating about CJ, and I don't blame them."

"I understand that.  Don't worry, Lois, I'll be very careful."

"Thanks, Dr. Klein," Lois said.

"I'll be back shortly with CJ," Clark said.  "I'd like Lois to stay
here, Dr. Klein.  There's been several attempts to kidnap her, and I'm
sort of her unofficial bodyguard when Clark can't be there."

Dr. Klein nodded.  "Sure.  Just keep your distance, Lois.  This cold is
a killer."

Lois smiled at him.  "I'm not worried.  If it's the one making the
rounds at the Planet, I had it three weeks ago."

Superman was back within fifteen minutes with the baby.  CJ gurgled
happily, reaching for his nose, and Clark couldn't help smiling at his
small son.  If it turned out that CJ was a clone, it wouldn't make a
difference to him, he knew, and he doubted it would make a difference to
Lois.  CJ was still the child he had begun to think that he and Lois
would never be allowed to have, either by genetics or by the
authorities.  His appearance had been a miracle and would remain so in
Clark's eyes.  And he would fight to keep him.

Dr Klein quickly and neatly took a sample of cells from the inside of
the baby's cheek.  "There you go, little fellow.  That ought to do it,
Superman.  It should only take a few days at the most, because I won't
be running  a complete DNA analysis.  I'll call Lois when I have the
answers."

"Thanks, Dr. Klein."  Superman grasped his hand.  "I owe you a favor for
this."

Dr. Klein shook his head.  "You don't owe me anything.  If I can't do
something for  a friend  once in awhile..."  He broke off, looking
embarrassed.  "I wouldn't worry too much about this, Lois.  I personally
doubt I'll find any frog DNA.  CJ has been growing at a normal rate, and
if there were any he should have shown growth abnormalities a  long time
ago."

Lois hugged her baby, and then watched as Superman took off with him
once more, headed for Kansas.  Dr. Klein looked after him thoughtfully.
"Superman cares a lot about children, doesn't he, Lois?"

"Yes," Lois said, quietly.  "He does."

Dr. Klein sighed, obviously upset by something.  Lois could guess what
it was.  He had been the one to give Superman the bad news that he could
never have children with an earthwoman and, knowing Dr. Klein, it was
probably bothering him a good deal.

*     *     *     *     *

They went in to work that afternoon.  Being that it was Saturday, they
were pulling a half day today.  Clark took off about three to cover a
fire down by Hobbs Bay, and a few minutes later Lois saw Superman appear
in the scenes being shown on the newsroom monitors.

She had finished her research; the piece on the City Council was ready
and in Perry's hands.  She stretched, rubbing her sore neck.  The
stiffness was better today, but she still felt tired.  With a grimace of
frustration, she took out Bender's letter for the tenth time that day to
study it fruitlessly for any other clues.

"What's that?"  Jimmy was standing beside her desk, a fresh cup of
coffee in his hands.  "I brought you this.  Two Sweet ‘n' Lo's and
non-fat creamer, right?"

"Thanks, Jimmy.  This was the letter Bender gave Clark last night."  She
held it up for his examination.  "It doesn't tell us a lot."

Jimmy nodded.  "I heard what happened.   CK was really lucky.  How's
Bender?"

"Clark called this morning, but they weren't giving out any
information.  At least he's still alive."

"Yeah."  Jimmy took the envelope from her hand and examined it.
"There's a number on the back.  I wonder what that is?"

"I don't know.  It looks like Bender jotted it down for something..."
She broke off, striving to remember.  Clark had told her what Bender had
said:

 "It took me awhile to find the place.  They'd hidden everything very
carefully, but I had access to all of LexCorp's records, and I finally
tracked it down..."

Could it be part of an address?  13427.  But the number was worthless
without a street name.  Lois stared at the useless number in
frustration, her brain running in circles.  She would be willing to
wager that it *was* important.  Bender had been going to show Clark what
he had found.

Well, maybe that was why he had insisted they meet at that lot on Laurel
Street.  Aware that she was grasping at straws, Lois turned to Jimmy.
"Jimmy, can you do something for me?  I want you to find out if there's
a 13427 Laurel Street, and, if there is, what kind of a building it is,
and who owns it."

"You think maybe Bender was going to take Clark there, or something?"
Jimmy looked dubious.  "Well, I guess it's a shot.  I'll get right on
it."

It didn't take long.  Twenty minutes later Jimmy was back, a sheet of
paper in his hands.  "Here's what you wanted, Lois.  You might be onto
something."

"What did you find?"

"There *is* a 13427 Laurel Street.  It's an office building.  You're
never going to guess who owns it."

"LexCorp?"

"Nope."  Jimmy shook his head.  "Caribbean Imports.  It was leased to a
Carlin & Associates, but it's not occupied as far as I can tell.
Apparently, it's been vacant for almost two years."

Caribbean Imports.  The name kept turning up like a bad penny.  First
the drug smuggling, from which it had wiggled loose, then the museum
thefts and Van Doren, where its spokesmen had claimed total ignorance of
any illegal activities, then Leslie Luckabee and the Vixen affair a few
months ago.  They had not managed to make a single charge stick.
Somehow Caribbean Imports was tied in with LexCorp's activities, again.
Maybe, she thought suddenly, they should do some investigations into
ties between LexCorp and Caribbean Imports from a few years ago.  Lex
Luthor had had a finger in most of the crime in Metropolis, and ties to
other criminal organizations internationally...maybe it was more than
just a coincidence.

But right now, the name raised a red flag.  And Carlin &
Associates...that couldn't be a coincidence at all.  Arianna Carlin was
Lex Luthor's ex-wife.  Luthor had used her name more than once when he
had wished to conceal the fact that certain business transactions were
in actuality connected to LexCorp...and himself.

She glanced at the monitors.  Clark was going to be busy for some time
to come, but if she went out alone there was a good possibility that she
would be followed by the man who had been stalking her for days, now.
Come on, Lane! she told herself.  There has to be a way to outsmart this
guy!   He probably already knew what their substitute vehicle looked
like...

"Jimmy," she said, suddenly, "may I borrow your car?"

*     *     *     *     *

Forty-five minutes later, Lois exited Broadhurst's Department Store
through the side doors.  The clothing she wore, however, was not what
she had worn when she had entered the store a short time before.
Instead of the smart business suit and heels, she now wore a pair of
designer jeans and a loud, sequined shirt, a cowboy hat, sunglasses, and
a pair of running shoes.  She felt conspicuous, but she was banking on
the probability that the person following her, if he actually was, would
be watching for Lois Lane, reporter, not Lois Lane, fashion disaster.
As she reached the curb she saw the cab she had called from the pay
phone pull up and stop.  Without pausing, she hurried over to it and
slid into the rear seat.

The driver glanced at her, taking in the incredible outfit.  "You must
be the one that called," he stated.  It wasn't a question.  "Where to?"

"13427 Laurel Street," Lois said.  She settled back in the seat and
tried to quiet her thumping heart.  She could only hope that her ruse
had succeeded.  She would have to have Clark recover Jimmy's car from
the parking lot later.

The trip to Laurel Street was accomplished in fifteen minutes, and, as
far as she had been able to observe, she had not been followed.  Lois
paid the driver and got out, looking around.  13427 was a ten story
building next to the vacant lot, across from Century 22.  They should
have known, she thought.  Bender must have meant to show Clark what he
had found last night, when the two of them had been so rudely
interrupted.

The building was locked up tight, as she had expected, but locks were
the least of her worries.  In the rear of the building she discovered a
door, and a few moments later she was inside and closing it quietly
behind her.

Inside, the building was empty.  It was unlighted, and she removed the
penlight which she kept on her key chain to help illuminate the darker
areas. The floors were coated with a layer of gritty dust, which told
her clearly that it had been a long time since anyone had been here.
She could see the footprints she left behind as she moved about,
exploring the rooms nearest to her point of entry.  The rooms were
empty, too.  There wasn't even any furniture, or any signs that
furniture had ever been here.

In growing disappointment she explored the floor, checking each room,
working her way from one to another, approaching the front of the
building.

She emerged from the hall into an intersecting corridor, and for a
moment failed to notice.  Then  she saw them.  She froze, heart almost
literally in her mouth, before she took in the details, and relaxed
slightly, her pulse still drumming in her ears almost loud enough to
deafen her.

There were footprints in the dust of the hall, illuminated by the light
that shone in from the glass doors of the entryway.

One set came from the now locked front doors, vanished off to her left,
and returned the same way.  The other set came from her left in a single
line, proceeded down the hall, past the front doors and continued on out
of sight into the dimness of the unlighted hallway.  On closer
examination she could see that though the footprints disturbed the dust
layer on the hall floor, another, lighter layer of dust had settled atop
them.  It had been some time since the men who had made those prints had
been here.

The footprints that came from the front door and returned were most
likely Bender's.  He could, as the attorney who was handling the myriad
details of the dissolution of LexCorp, enter the building openly and
legally.  But the second set...

They were larger than Bender's, thereby suggesting a larger man.  And
they came from the left.

Lois turned left.  Moving almost on tiptoe, she followed that line of
footprints down the length of the hallway until she came to a door which
opened onto a flight of stairs.  The footprints came from there.  Lois
opened the door and entered.

The stairs went both up and down, vanishing into the darkness in both
directions.  She flashed her penlight around and found the prints again,
coming from below.  Gripping the handrail, she descended.

When she reached the basement floor she found herself facing a locked
door.  It was obvious that the footprints came from within, and she had
no intention of stopping now.  This was getting much too interesting.
She reached into her handbag and removed her trusty picklock.  The lock
wasn't difficult, and within a few moments it clicked back.  Lois pushed
the door open and entered.

There was dust here, too, but not as much, and the footprints were less
clear.  A fine layer of the powdery stuff had sifted down over these
marks as well.  At least whoever had made them wasn't here now.
Again, she followed them, walking well to the side so as not to disturb
the trail.   The prints proceeded down the hallway to a closed door,
which was not locked, and she entered.

It was a small, square room, and on one side loomed a black,
indistinguishable mass of what must be some sort of machinery.  Lois
flashed her penlight over it, trying to make sense of what she was
seeing.  In the darkness, with the inadequate light, it was hard to
tell, but some of this had begun to look familiar.

She moved closer and squinted through the darkness, trying to make out
what she was seeing.  The little beam of the penlight flitted over
tubing and wires, an inactive panel of some sort of gauges and controls,
and...

"Oh my God..." she whispered.

It was a chamber exactly like the two she had seen in S.T.A.R Labs,
which had held the bodies of the clones into which Lex Luthor had
intended to transfer her soul and his own.  And it was empty.

With shaking hands, she removed Clark's miniature camera from her bag.
The brilliance of the flash almost blinded her, but she took two more
photographs for good measure.

After waiting for her eyes to readjust, she continued following the
trail of footprints.  There was a jumble of prints in the dust on the
floor, but they had come in a door on the opposite side of the small
room.  Lois followed them, keeping her light trained on the faint trail
as it led her down another, shorter corridor, and to another door.
Cautiously, she opened it.

It was a small closet.  Inside, on the floor lay a voluminous, white,
plastic bag with the name "Broadhurst's" across it in large, gold
letters.  She dumped the contents onto the floor and knelt to examine
them.

There was a cardboard tag for a size medium pullover shirt, another for
a jacket, an empty , plastic bag that had once contained mens' briefs,
size 32-34, a tag from a pair of mens' jeans, and a torn package for
mens' socks.  A box that had purportedly held a pair of leather shoes,
size 10, lay open in one corner. Lois crammed the items into the plastic
bag and picked it up.  Here was information that she could not afford to
leave behind.

She closed the closet door and again shone her slightly dimmer penlight
on the floor.  The trail was there, and she continued to follow the
prints of the now bare feet away from the closet and through another
door.

The room beyond was small and empty, but the footprints crossed it in a
straight line toward the opposite wall.  Lois flashed her light on the
wall, expecting to see another door.

What met her eyes was puzzling.   It looked like the door of a bank
vault, all heavy, solid metal, but without any external controls that
she could see.  Incredible as it seemed, the door appeared to be meant
to open from the inside only, but it hadn't closed completely, It gaped
open perhaps an inch, and Lois experimentally slipped her fingers into
the gap and tugged.

Slowly and ponderously, the door swung open and she flashed her light
inside, already half-expecting what she would find.

It was another clone chamber, exactly like the one in the other room.
On the inside of the door were the controls to open the heavy metal
barrier, and there was no doubt in her mind now that this vault had been
built to be completely secure for its occupant.  There was probably, she
thought, some way to get in from the outside--perhaps by some sort of
remote radio control, or something--but it was obviously designed to
keep most people out.

The barefooted tracks came from there, but there were no tracks at all
on the much thinner layer of dust that covered the floor inside. It
must, she reasoned, have been air tight and sterile until the door was
opened by the occupant of the chamber.  The dust must have settled in
the interval since then--four weeks?  Five?  She was no judge.

The skin between her shoulders was crawling.  It felt as if she had
entered Frankenstein's chamber of horrors, but she forced back her
nervousness and located Clark's camera.  Experience reminded her that
evidence could magically disappear unless you documented it, and
photographs were the best she could manage at the moment.  When she had
finished, she exited the vault and flashed her now noticeably dimming
light around the room.  There were two exits; the way by which she had
entered and another to her right.

She crossed the floor to the second door, trying now, for some reason,
to be completely silent.  Perhaps it was some sixth sense warning her of
danger, for when she opened the door, which led her unexpectedly back
into the main hall, with great caution, she saw something different.

Her own footprints led into the first room with the other clone chamber
ten feet up the hall, dimly illuminated in the glow provided by her now
rapidly fading penlight.  And beside her own small tracks in the dust on
the floor, overlapping them in places, were the larger ones of a man's
shoe

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(to be continued)