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I wrote two days ago, as Clark, about the weird circumstance of a
'country and western signer who used to be engaged to an actor'
possibly becoming a candidate for the Presidency.

This morning on the radio news programme, I heard that Donald Trump
is considering a run at the US Presidency, with Oprah Winfrey as his
favoured running mate! Truth sometimes stranger than fiction...?

Wendy

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Wendy Richards
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Date:         Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:38:49 EDT
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From:         "C.C. Malo" <Ccmalo@AOL.COM>
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Hi Jimmy,

Great work getting into MacDonald's office -- I'm impressed, cousin.  But be
careful; those security guys of his stick to him like super glue.  Notice
any
names on the receipts?

Cat
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Hi Lois,

<<You're on!  I accept the challenge.  But why do I think we are both going
to be disappointed?>>  Maybe because Jimmy, at least, got into MacDonald's
office? <g>

So... what's it like to be sleeping with the boss?  Or is the expression
"arm's length" now the right one?

re the suits:  Threw out the Chow suit.  Just got a new one -- red, nice
slit
up the right side of the skirt.  Single button jacket looks good with a
matching lace camisole.   I *have* found time for shopping during all this.

Oh, and I found out the awful truth about Jeffers.  Remember that Arts Fest
meeting I went to?  After it was over, Jeffers suggested we go for a drink
--
there was something he wanted to tell me.  He's worried Henderson is going
to
arrest him as the bomber which he swears he is not.

The problem is the trousers found at the site.  They are his.  He was at the
Planet the day of the bombing which we all knew.   And he was there to spend
a little quality time with Roxanne.  Which we all suspected.  But no one
actually saw him leave.  It seems their quality time on the back stairs was
interrupted by the bomb blast -- (PG17 pun deleted here <g>) .  Jeffers,
gentleman that he is, did the natural thing -- he ran for his life, shirt
flapping in the breeze, and leaving his trousers, etc to make life more
interesting for the forensics team.  He did, at least, think to grab his
shoes.  Oh, and the business card fragment in the right hand pocket?  He'd
just met Harry Dow at the Sailing Club, found her attractive, and collected
her card.  Plus la meme chose.

He knows I won't report this for the Planet -- Roxanne is a friend as well
as
a colleague.  And besides, he's not newsworthy.   But he is worried about
what I'll say to Henderson, given I saw him that day -- not leaving the
Planet, as I thought, but on his way to meet Roxanne.  So Jeffers is not our
man.  Like who would want him???

On a more serious note.  I ran into Lara briefly yesterday.  She's not
looking well -- she seemed listless and pale.  I wonder if she's picked up
that flu that's going around.  I'm worried about her.

You be careful, too.  Is it a good idea for a pregnant woman to get a flu
shot?

Cat
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Re assignments:

<<Cat, I need you to find MacDonald and stick to him. Like glue.
Only... please don't do anything that would bring the Planet into
disrepute.>>  On it!  Disrepute?  I've bought a new suit just for this.

Respectfully,
Cat
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I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
them out maybe on Sunday.

I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if they
mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.

budmayes
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Subject:      Writing grammatical dialogue
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Judith wrote:
=20
).  How do we teach our youth to write correctly when everything they =
see and hear is incorrect?

=20
Judith, I only received half of your message (and now my mailbox has =
jammed completely for the second time - it's been out of order since 1am =
this morning - and nothing seems able to unjam it so far, so I can only =
send mail not receive if anyone out there is wondering why I haven't =
replied to them <g>), so forgive me if I'm responding out of line here. =
But this line leaped out at me.
=20
How do we teach our youth to write correctly? I know that it is often =
considered a novel and scandalous idea these days but......isn't this =
the purpose of *schools*? And teachers? To be frank, I certainly don't =
consider it *my* responsibility to teach kids grammar when I write =
fanfic. I write fanfic for fun. I want my dialogue to sound as though =
it's coming from real people - not paragons of grammatical virtue. The =
educating I'll leave to those we taxpayers pay to do the job.
=20
LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk
=20
PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!=20
=20
"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde
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In a message dated 10/7/99 5:30:00 AM !!!First Boot!!!, smcdermin@EROLS.COM
writes:

<<
 I'm sorry I've been so inactive over the last couple of days.  I have a
 very bad cold -- perhaps flu -- don't know.  Missed work a few days and
 everything.  Since Hazel's piece was short, I thought I could tackle
 that without falling off my chair, but for Charlotte's -- since it's
 longer -- I'd like to print it out when I get to work again.

 Sandy >>

She shudders as she waits, definitely not patiently.  (BG) Looking forward
to
your insightful comments.

Charlotte -
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In a message dated 10/7/99 1:19:52 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:

<<
 >  How about it, listees? Do you or don't you capitalize
 > Kryptonite? I vote yes, simply to give it more significance, but I'd like
 > to hear other opinions.
  >>
Capitalize it. IMHO.

BTB the plot sounds like a good starting point and I'm looking forward to an
expanded version.

Charlotte
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I would like the reading room stories please

Jennifer

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Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories

I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
them out maybe on Sunday.

I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if they
mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.

budmayes
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From:         "C.C. Malo" <Ccmalo@AOL.COM>
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Clark, can you mention this to Superman?  I've recieved the e-mail below 3
times.

to: Cat the Mortal

So who's the new girl in Metropolis,
Who's being confuses each one of us?
Is she for real?
Asks the big Man of Steel,
Or does she play leapfrog with Tempus?

MXY THE MAGNIFICENT

Clark, what's going on here?  Does he mean Lara?  Is she in trouble?

Cat
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It's the same thing.  If you rephrase it to "She is after me", vs. "She is
after
I" you can see how it has to go.  I was never sure myself until an English
teacher taught me that rule, and my husband still makes the mistake often
enough
to drive me crazy.  He says it's because he squeaked by in English, while he
got
A's in math.  With me it was the other way around.  I still goof up with
enough
other things often enough to give me a red face, though.  Erin has caught
some
doozies.

Nan

No Name Available wrote:

> In a message dated 10/7/99 7:13:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
> << I think that it should be "The Wedding Destroyer is after Clark and
me,"
> not
>  "Clark and I".  If you rephrase it to "The Wedding Destroyer is after me"
> it's
>  grammatical, "The Wedding Destroyer is after I" isn't.  That's how you
tell.
>
>  Nan >>
>
> Well how about if you say she?  Because i think Lois said, She is after
Clark
> and me.. and I think it would make more sense if she said, actually wait a
> minute it just came to me.. Lois says, "Now she's after Clark and me."
> Personally, I think it sounds better if she says, "Now she's fater Clark
and
> I."  But I could be wrong.
>
> Alexis ;-.)
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YIKES !

Nan

Wendy Richards wrote:

> I wrote two days ago, as Clark, about the weird circumstance of a
> 'country and western signer who used to be engaged to an actor'
> possibly becoming a candidate for the Presidency.
>
> This morning on the radio news programme, I heard that Donald Trump
> is considering a run at the US Presidency, with Oprah Winfrey as his
> favoured running mate! Truth sometimes stranger than fiction...?
>
> Wendy
>
> ----------------------
> Wendy Richards
> w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Please include me in!

Nan Smith

Norman Mayes wrote:

> I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
> room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to
send
> them out maybe on Sunday.
>
> I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
> they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
> mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
> budmayes
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Labby, our local school hasn't even taught my sons to spell!  I'm having
to do the job, myself.  The California school system is a disgrace.
There are many fine teachers here, but the system for teaching kids to
read and write in California is hard for them to fight.

Nan

LabRat wrote:

>  Judith wrote: ).  How do we teach our youth to write correctly when
> everything they see and hear is incorrect? Judith, I only received
> half of your message (and now my mailbox has jammed completely for the
> second time - it's been out of order since 1am this morning - and
> nothing seems able to unjam it so far, so I can only send mail not
> receive if anyone out there is wondering why I haven't replied to them
> <g>), so forgive me if I'm responding out of line here. But this line
> leaped out at me. How do we teach our youth to write correctly? I know
> that it is often considered a novel and scandalous idea these days
> but......isn't this the purpose of *schools*? And teachers? To be
> frank, I certainly don't consider it *my* responsibility to teach kids
> grammar when I write fanfic. I write fanfic for fun. I want my
> dialogue to sound as though it's coming from real people - not
> paragons of grammatical virtue. The educating I'll leave to those we
> taxpayers pay to do the job. LabRat :)
> Doc. Klein's LabRat
> labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS! "Consistency
> is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde "Conscience is
> the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H. L.
> Mencken

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Labby, our local school hasn't even taught my sons to spell!&nbsp; I'm
having to do the job, myself.&nbsp; The California school system is a
disgrace.&nbsp;
There are many fine teachers here, but the system for teaching kids to
read and write in California is hard for them to fight.

<P>Nan

<P>LabRat wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT
SIZE=-1>Judith
wrote:</FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT
COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>).&nbsp;
How do we teach our youth to write correctly when everything they see and
hear is incorrect?</FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT
COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Judith,
I only received half of your message (and now my mailbox has jammed
completely
for the second time - it's been out of order since 1am this morning - and
nothing seems able to unjam it so far, so I can only send mail not receive
if anyone out there is wondering why I haven't replied to them &lt;g>),
so forgive me if I'm responding out of line here. But this line leaped
out at me.</FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT
COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>How
do we teach our youth to write correctly? I know that it is often considered
a novel and scandalous idea these days but......isn't this the purpose
of *schools*? And teachers? To be frank, I certainly don't consider it
*my* responsibility to teach kids grammar when I write fanfic. I write
fanfic for fun. I want my dialogue to sound as though it's coming from
real people - not paragons of grammatical virtue. The educating I'll leave
to those we taxpayers pay to do the job.</FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT
FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>LabRat
:)</FONT></FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Doc. Klein's
LabRat</FONT></FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1><A HREF="
mailto:labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk
">labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk</A></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT
FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>PLEASE
NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!</FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT
COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>"Consistency
is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar
Wilde</FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT
COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>"Conscience
is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H. L.
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My groupie has spoken <g>  This is going to be a serialized story --
I've got ten parts written already, and will work on finishing the whole
thing in the next week.  So if I post a part a day, I may well have the
ending written in time to post it :)  At least that's the plan...

TITLE: Just Like That...?
PART: 1/14??
AUTHOR: Pam Jernigan (jernigan@bellsouth.net)
RATING: PG
FEEDBACK: Any and all kinds accepted, in public or private.  When I
finish posting this, I'll be asking some pointed questions about
structure, tone, etc, so pay attention ;)

--Prelude--

She woke up knowing something was wrong.  She wasn't overly concerned,
at first; she could handle trouble.  Only she couldn't pinpoint what,
exactly, was troubling her -- a vague feeling of dread haunted her
stomach, but her mind was strangely clouded.  Warily, she opened her
eyes to find she was in a sunny, cheerful, unfamiliar hotel room.  She
waited, lying still on the bed, but could detect no other presence in
the room.  Carefully, she sat up, looking around for any clues to jog
her failing memory.

As she explored the contents of the room, the details began trickling
back to her.  Of course, she was in Italy, with Kent, on their way to
his place in Switzerland.  He was having some sort of trouble with the
arrangements, which had infuriated him but only amused her, and so they
had been traveling far slower than he'd intended.

But that didn't feel right either; it had a strange aura of true/not
true that puzzled her... her mental picture of "Kent" in particular felt
wrong; he shouldn't be quite so young, or so blond, but older, with dark
hair... and glasses...  For some reason she was suddenly afraid.

Alright, she told herself, calm down.  Start with what you know.  My
name is... Wanda?  Wanda Detroit, I'm a singer... no... that's not
right.

I'm not Wanda.

My name is Lois Lane.

With that one thought reality came crashing in on her, flooding over her
like a tidal wave, and involuntarily, she whimpered.  Memories of her
family, her job, her friends hit her with stunning force, too quickly to
be immediately comprehended.  To survive the onslaught, she grabbed onto
one face from the crowd, one person who could be her anchor - Clark.
Her partner, her fiance... She remembered planning a wedding with him,
teasing him at work... being kidnapped away from him.  She'd been trying
to get back to him when she'd hit her head.  That's what must have
confused her, and made her think she was Wanda...

She remembered Lex, then, as well - taunting her when she was kidnapped,
then deceiving her when she was confused.  Somehow, he'd known about her
novel, and had set himself up as her love... she remembered him kissing
her, and the gorge rose in her throat.  She stumbled into the private
bath, fearing she was going to retch.  She had to get out of here,
needed to get back to Clark, but even Superman wouldn't be able to hear
her scream from another continent.  You'll just have to use your wits,
girl; you're not an investigative reporter for nothing.  She splashed
some cool water on her face, determined not to lose control, but when
she'd dried her eyes and put down the towel she received yet another
shock.

The face in the mirror wasn't her face.  The woman looking back at her
was blond, with blue eyes, high cheekbones, thin lips -- an attractive
face... but most definitely not the face of Lois Lane, Ace Reporter.
Not even plastic surgery could do this, could it?  And a quick pull
verified that she was wearing no wig.  So this must be... the clone.

Stunned, she sat on the edge of the tub.  Yes, she remembered now.  Lex
had been afraid of pursuit, and Asabi had given him the answer - soul
transfers to new bodies for both him and her.  As the jaded Wanda, she'd
been amused by the idea - "Just like that, I'm a blond?" - and had
agreed to participate.  The transfers had gone smoothly, and now she was
permanently changed - Lois on the inside, a stranger on the outside.
She fought the temptation to cry.

Another piece of the puzzle came into focus - Lex's new body was the
reason they'd been having such problems with travel arrangements.  Lex
held large cash reserves, and a network of contacts and flunkies, but
he'd found it difficult to prove his new identity; no one wanted to risk
angering the great Lex Luthor by believing this young blond upstart.
And a good thing, too, Lois grimly acknowledged, or else they'd have
been in Switzerland by now, and she would have had a great deal tougher
time escaping.

And escape she must.  Lex may have destroyed her old life, but she'd
rather start from scratch than live out her days with him.  He was evil,
and crazy... and smart, which would make things difficult.

She put aside her emotions for a moment and forced herself to think
logically.  She was watched, but not guarded, so slipping away should be
easy.  Staying away would be a great deal harder.  Lex had connections
throughout Europe, and she couldn't afford to assume that he'd be unable
to use all of them.  She knew where he kept his cash, so she could take
that; it should be enough to lay some false trails as well as get her
where she was going.

Where *was* she going?  Lex would expect her to head for Metropolis, so
she shouldn't ... and yet she knew that was where she needed to be.  She
knew the city, from top to bottom, but more importantly, she knew
Clark.  If she could only get to Clark, he would help her.

Even if he had no idea who she was.

*****
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"Well, it just so happens that I am a former girlscout."
"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
--Lois & Clark, "Ordinary People"
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Point to ponder:  In the US in 1994,
there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
--Reason Magazine, Nov 99, pp46-47.
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 I would also like the reading room stories please. Thanks

Stefano

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Norman Mayes <Budmayes@AOL.COM>
> To: <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:50 AM
> Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories
>
>
> I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
> reading
> room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to
send
> them out maybe on Sunday.
>
> I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind
if
> they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
> mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
> budmayes
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Clark-

I know you said something about having the Daily Planet staff all meet at
the
Americiana Cafe?.. is that right?  Anyway, wherever you are having the
meeting, i am afraid I can't make it.  I don't feel very good and it is
really hard for me to even get out of bed.  I am typing this email to while
I
am in bed, that's how bad i feel! ;(

BTW, I heard some news from one of my sources that Harry Dow is back in
town.
 You might want to tell Superman to keep extra close attention to the
streets
of Metropolis.  I heard she likes to prowl the streets at night! LOL!

Hopefully I will see all of you tommorow.

Lara
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>Does anyone actually have the stories then?  If so, could they be sent to
me?  Thanks,  Carolyn>>>

<<<Could I add my name to the list of people who want a copy of these
stories, please?>>>

Can I add my name to the list as well?

JOY:)

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-----Original Message-----

Judith wrote:

How do we teach our youth to write correctly when everything they see and
hear is incorrect?

How do we teach our youth to write correctly? I know that it is often
considered a novel and scandalous idea these days but......isn't this the
purpose of *schools*? And teachers? To be frank, I certainly don't consider
it *my* responsibility to teach kids grammar when I write fanfic. I write
fanfic for fun. I want my dialogue to sound as though it's coming from real
people - not paragons of grammatical virtue. The educating I'll leave to
those we taxpayers pay to do the job.

LabRat :)

------------------------

What you're saying is true, LabRat.  I've always felt that a writer's
responsibility is to the characters, to make them as real and true as
possible.  Everything else comes after that.

However, I know exactly what Jude means.  I teach developmental (i.e.
remedial) English and math at my local community college, and I have
students who have grown up with the worst possible grammar at home.  When I
use an example like, "You wouldn't say, 'he don't,' would you?" I get blank
stares because, of course, half the class uses that exact construction in
their normal speech, so it not only doesn't sound wrong to them; it sounds
*right* and the correct construction sounds *wrong.*  You should have heard
my class laugh last night when I asked, re whether some papers someone had
put on my desk were for a missing assignment, "Are those they?"  They were
quick to tell me that I should have said, "Is that them?" (Let's see:
subject-verb agreement, pronoun-antecedent agreement, incorrect case....
Yep, three major errors in three words :)

Trying to teach grammar in a way that will stick is unbelievably difficult
when you can't use the quick memory tricks like the one Terry and Nan
mentioned because your students *don't hear the error*!  Kathy mentioned the
grammatical reasoning behind the I/m confusion ("I" is only used in
subjective case, while "me" is in objective case), but students only learn
that sort of thing long enough to regurgitate it on a test.  Then they
forget it as quickly as possible, like they do the jillions of other "facts"
that get stuffed into their heads.  (How many of you who aren't science
majors in college can recite the list of inert gases--in atomic order?
What, didn't you have to learn that in high school? :)  Without being
surrounded by people who constantly speak correct English, people don't
learn to speak it.  They may learn to *write* it, but speaking is almost a
lost cause.

That brings me back to LabRat's point.  People don't learn correct grammar
by reading.  If that were true, the women in my classes who devour hundreds
of romance novels would be able to speak and write correct English.
(Whatever you may think of the literary value of genre novels, *most* of
them are written in correct English.)  People "learn" correct grammar the
way they "learn" to speak in the first place:  by hearing it.  (Now, back to
Jude :) And if what they hear from their parents and their friends is
incorrect, the few hours a day that they have to listen to an adult talk in
school isn't going to make any difference (especially in these days when the
lecture mode has fallen into utter disrepute as a method of teaching).
Unless the students have a tremendous drive to learn the rules that govern
English, it isn't gonna happen.

Sheila
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Hi Doc,

I feel that I can call you that now as I'm sure that we're going to be
seeing a lot of each other in the next months.  Clark and I have every
faith in you, Doctor, and we're certain our baby's health couldn't be in
safer hands.

I'm sorry that Clark and I had to dump the stuff about Lara on you.  But =
we
felt that she wouldn't believe anyone else.  It was so sad.  I cried myse=
lf
to sleep last night.  I kept thinking what it would be like to know that =
in
a few days you would.... just cease to exist.  Thank goodness I have Clar=
k
and the baby.  I am so lucky.

Doc, what's all this about a tuning fork?  Was the bomb triggered by soun=
d
waves?  Someone in this mess has a real weird sense of humour, what with
peanut butter jars and tuning forks.  Now why does that sound
familiar....... Didn't Harry Dow play the piano?

Gotta go Doc.  I've got to do some checking.

Lois
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Jimmy, =

Are you all right?  I'm sorry that it's taken me a day or too to get back=

to you.

Actually, I've been dealing with a few problems of my own.  But it's
nothing for you to worry about.  In fact my problems should clear up in
about 7 months time, give or take a week or so.  Or maybe not, that might=

be when they begin.  How do you feel about babysitting?

How did you get into MacDonald's offices?  I've been trying to get to tal=
k
to him but so far I haven't got passed the front desk.  I did think of
using your methods but the security-system there looks to be pretty
high-tech and Clark would have me locked up if I took too many risks at t=
he
moment.

Keep checking into MacDonald's finances.  And take care, we don't want yo=
u
to have to test Henderson's emergency call system.

Lois
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Dear Dan,

I am so sorry that you had to find out this way.  I never for a moment
thought that Mxyzpltlk would email you.  I'm afraid that what he told you=

about Lara is true; she is a clone and she is dying.  =

Clark and I asked Dr Klein to take a look at her DNA structure and I'm
sorry but he confirmed the fact that Lara is a clone.  He also discovered=

that she is close to the end of her life span.  =

I know this all seems incredible but Mxyzpltlk is capable of cloning and =
a
lot else besides.  I'm not going to tell you who he is because, frankly,
you'd never believe me and that isn't really important.

What is important is that Lara needs someone who cares for her to be with=

her in the next few days and you seem to care.... a lot.  Dan, don't
abandon her.  She didn't ask to be cloned.  In fact she never for one
moment thought she was a different sort of person.  She hardly believes i=
t
now, even though Dr Klein has talked with her.

I feel pretty badly myself about the whole thing.  I mean I wasn't exactl=
y
very nice to her.  Let's just say I was a little stressed out myself and =
I
wouldn't have anything to do with her.  Now it's too late and apologies
aren't enough.  Besides, Clark and I aren't her favourite people.

So if you can find the courage to be with her in her last days, you could=

make her happy.

Good luck,

Your friend,
Lois =
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Hi Honey,

I'm sorry you're so busy right now as I really would like to talk.  Still=
,
thank you for being so understanding last night and just holding me while=
 I
cried my heart out.  I kept seeing Lara's stricken face at Star Labs and,=

maybe it's because she looks so like me, but I kept imagining how I would=

feel in her situation.

Clark, we have come through so much and shared so many wonderful times
together and I know that I should be grateful for all that, and I am.  Bu=
t
I'm selfish too, Clark, I want more.  I want to hold our baby in my arms
and have other babies and take care of them and watch them grow up into t=
he
wonderful people that I know they will be.  And most of all, I want us to=

grow old together, to have all the time in the world to love each other a=
nd
pass that love on to our children and our grandchildren.

Last night, as I saw Lara face up to the truth that she was going to die,=
 I
felt a little guilty for having a future.  I know that sounds crazy but I=

wish that I had been a little more understanding with her in the past.

I'm sorry for being so maudlin.  I guess this is one of these 'moods
swings' we heard about.

Back to work, I've tried contacting Courtney Hart again.  I even went rou=
nd
to her apartment.  Talked to a few of her neighbours but none of them kno=
w
much about her, they tell me she keeps very much to herself.  Though one
old lady did tell me that a gentleman had been looking for her a few days=

ago and surprise, surprise the description fits Ron Underhill.  You don't=

think that maybe they've eloped? <g>.  Anyway the gentleman caller didn't=

have anymore success in finding her than I have because he left looking
rather worried, according to the old lady.

Clark, did Doc Klein mention a tuning fork to you?

See you soon, I hope.
Love Lois
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Hi Lucy,

Sorry this is a rush job, but didn't Harry Dow take piano lessons when sh=
e
was a child?  I seem to remember Mother always complaining that Mrs Dow
boasted about how talented her daughter was and that she had dreams of he=
r
becoming a concert pianist.  I have vague recollections of Mother bemoani=
ng
the fact that neither of us were gifted in such an acceptable 'ladylike'
field.

I can't tell you what this is about at the moment as I might be way of ba=
se
here.

I need an answer asap.

Lois
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Mr. Kalahan,

I think this whole business is nearing its end. I've been tracking Harriet
Dow over the last week, and I'm now convinced that she is the one who
planted the bomb at the planet. She is also the one who smuggled the BH-13
from Zaire, and I suspect that this is not her only crime. 2,000,000$ has
mysteriously appeared in her bank account lately, which solves the motive
problem...

Unfortunately, I can't prove anything yet. She has covered her trace almost
perfectly. But I'm on it.

As for your request delay my vacation, I really wish to have my vacation
days as soon as this affair is going to end. I have some urgent private
matters to deal with.

Thanks in advance,
Agent Dan Scardino.

------------------
Yael Kfir, and her
new email address:
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Pam, great job.  Remember Joy's first rule about fanfic:  If you miss a day
posting, you have to double your efforts on the next day, or risk a story
where you date Ralph.  Just ask Tara.

<<<she remembered him kissing her, and the gorge rose in her throat.  She
stumbled into the private bath, fearing she was going to retch.>>>

I love that image!  It's just so...Lois.

JOY:)  {Who may never finish her own stories because she's having too much
fun with everyone else's.}

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Dear Lara,

Thank you for giving your apologies for today's meeting. I hope you
feel better soon.

Thanks also for the information about Harry Dow. I'll make sure that
it's passed on to the appropriate sources.

Best wishes,

Clark Kent
Acting Editor-in-Chief, Daily Planet

----------------------
Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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LabRat, Nan is right.  I was in the pulic school system in south- west/
south- central Virginia for 13 years.  There were a few people in my high
school graduating class who COULD NOT READ THEIR DIPLOMA!!  This infuriated
me because the teachers were, and still are, more concerned about baby
sitting and less concerned about teaching.  (Do you know I never wrote a
single paper, or studied in all that time?)  My mother teaches 8th grade
English, and she is constantly dumbing down her lesson plans to accomadate
the lowest common denominator student.  If it had been the responsiblity of
Pittsylvania County to give me an education, I'd have never gotten into a
great college.

JOY:)  {Who really likes LabRat's stories and is patiently waiting for SDB,
but just had to say something.}

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At 9:42 AM +0100 10/8/99, Wendy Richards wrote:

>This morning on the radio news programme, I heard that Donald Trump
>is considering a run at the US Presidency, with Oprah Winfrey as his
>favoured running mate! Truth sometimes stranger than fiction...?

That's not the half of it, Wendy.  I hadn't heard the Oprah Winfrey part,
but the other candidate the Reform Party is considering, if not Trump, is
actor Warren Beatty.  Oh boy. ;)

Kathy

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Date:         Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:34:22 +0100
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Cat,

I am very concerned about the email you have received. All I can say
for the moment is that I do have some idea of what it's about, but
right now I can't tell you any more than that.

But thanks for letting me know.

Clark
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Wendy Richards
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Date:         Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:50:45 +0100
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-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Mayes <Budmayes@AOL.COM>
To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
<LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
Date: 08 October 1999 12:50
Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories

>I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
>room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
>them out maybe on Sunday.
>
>I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
>they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
>mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
>budmayes
>

Please add could you add me to the list.
thanks lisa.
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At 4:13 PM +0100 10/8/99, Wendy Richards wrote:
>Dear Lara,
>
>Thank you for giving your apologies for today's meeting. I hope you
>feel better soon.

Not to discount Clark's polite words, but I don't think she's going to be
feeling better if you are taking this where you've implied you are. ;)

Kathy

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To Sheila, Joy, etc:

I can tell you - and I'm sure Phil will agree - that it's just as bad
over here. University students, supposedly the most intelligent of
our young people, *cannot* spell or write grammatically correct
English. Some know no punctuation other than a full stop and comma -
and many don't even know when to use those, placing a full stop where
a sentence is not complete.

I get: verbless sentences, subject-less sentences, single-sentence
paragraphs, sentences completely unpunctuated.

And then there are the spelling and syntax errors. 'Should of'
instead of 'should have' is a personal 'pet peeve,' and of course
very few know the (very simple) distinction between its and it's.
And there are those who think 'aswell' or 'aswellas' is correct! Or
'alot' for 'many', when it should be 'a lot.'

I could go on... <sigh>.

Wendy
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> >Thank you for giving your apologies for today's meeting. I hope you
> >feel better soon.
>
>
> Not to discount Clark's polite words, but I don't think she's going to be
> feeling better if you are taking this where you've implied you are. ;)
>
> Kathy

Well... Clark can hope! And this story ain't over yet... or is it?

Wendy
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At 11:31 AM -0400 10/8/99, Joy Sowell wrote:
>LabRat, Nan is right.  I was in the pulic school system in south- west/
>south- central Virginia for 13 years. (Do you know I never wrote a
>single paper, or studied in all that time?)

Am I the only person here who actually got a good high school education?
<g>  Now I grant, there were inconsistencies and unfairness in the system
-- namely my classmate the football star who had to take his ACT three
times to get the NCAA minimum, after which he received a full ride to one
of the better universities in the country (Michigan; Go Blue! <g>), while I
and my co-valedictorians had to pay full price. :P

*However*, I feel I was well prepared for college.  I studied a lot in high
school -- I had term papers and difficult exams and a good variety of
classes, both science and humanities.  My husband is one of these people
that says "oh, high school is so easy; they pass you even if you never
crack a book" and I always respond "you should have gone to my high
school". <g>

Sorry, this is off topic, but I can never quite figure out if I went to a
good school ... or if I just wasn't smart enough to get A's without
studying like other people claim they did. <g>

Kathy

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These people may be great at what they do, but I don't consider expertise in
one specialty to necessarily carry over into another field.  Sorry, but I
don't regard *any* of them as qualified to lead the country.

Nan

Kathy Brown wrote:

> At 9:42 AM +0100 10/8/99, Wendy Richards wrote:
>
> >This morning on the radio news programme, I heard that Donald Trump
> >is considering a run at the US Presidency, with Oprah Winfrey as his
> >favoured running mate! Truth sometimes stranger than fiction...?
>
> That's not the half of it, Wendy.  I hadn't heard the Oprah Winfrey part,
> but the other candidate the Reform Party is considering, if not Trump, is
> actor Warren Beatty.  Oh boy. ;)
>
> Kathy
>
> ______________________
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> kathyb@springnet1.com
> kathyb@lcfanfic.com
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Joy wrote:

>LabRat, Nan is right.  I was in the pulic school system in south- west/
>south- central Virginia for 13 years.  There were a few people in my high
>school graduating class who COULD NOT READ THEIR DIPLOMA!!

Yes, Nan and Joy - and Sheila <g> - I wouldn't dispute that there are
failures in the education system. Here in the UK too. I agree completely
with everything you've said on the subject.

*But* my point is - is this *my* problem when I'm writing fanfic? Are these
failures of society my responsibility to correct? And, to be honest, my own
personal viewpoint, callous as it may sound, is - no they aren't. Let others
debate whether teachers are doing the job they are paid for, whether schools
are fit for the task of educating the young. But me - I'll just keep on
writing because it's fun. I'm not being paid to play teacher.

I honestly can't say that when I'm writing a story it ever for one moment
enters my head to wonder whether kids are learning from it or not. And - and
I stress that this is purely my own personal viewpoint and not intended as a
rule of thumb or suggested that it should be advice for others to follow
<g> - I just don't *care* if they do or don't. Sorry! I'm just happy if
someone reads my stories and enjoys them for the pieces of entertainment I
intended them to be.

>JOY:)  {Who really likes LabRat's stories and is patiently waiting for SDB,
>but just had to say something.}

Thanks, Joy. ;)

LabRat :)  (emerging exhausted and bloody from battle, but unbowed and
undefeated after finally persuading my mailbox to unjam. Yay!)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk

PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!

"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
L. Mencken
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Kathy wrote:

>That's not the half of it, Wendy.  I hadn't heard the Oprah Winfrey part,
>but the other candidate the Reform Party is considering, if not Trump, is
>actor Warren Beatty.  Oh boy. ;)
>
I tuned into CNN some weeks back and came across Beatty being interviewed
about his candidacy intentions. He was sitting very relaxed and casual and
dressed all in black. I was distracted at the time, glanced at the screen,
and for one wild moment I was convinced that Lex Luthor was running for US
President until I realised who it was. <G> Eeesh.

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!

"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
L. Mencken
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Well, Kathy, I went through the California school system in the late fifties
and early sixties, through 8th grade, and it was still an excellent system,
them.  My high school years were at Balboa High in the Panama Canal Zone,
and
it was tough there, too.  I went to Indiana University and later LACUSC
Medical
Center School of Nursing for my nurses training, and I can testify that at
that
time it was a good school.  But I graduated in 1972.  A lot of things have
changed since then, unfortunately.  California has gone from one of the best
school systems in the nation to 48th or 49th.  Pretty discouraging, hmm?  My
husband and I have done our best to supplement what the kids have been
taught,
and, concentrated on the reading by various means, including Mommy writing
stories for them, which they love.  Our kids are getting educated in spite
of
the system, rather than because of it, I'm afraid.

Nan

Kathy Brown wrote:

> At 11:31 AM -0400 10/8/99, Joy Sowell wrote:
> >LabRat, Nan is right.  I was in the pulic school system in south- west/
> >south- central Virginia for 13 years. (Do you know I never wrote a
> >single paper, or studied in all that time?)
>
> Am I the only person here who actually got a good high school education?
> <g>  Now I grant, there were inconsistencies and unfairness in the system
> -- namely my classmate the football star who had to take his ACT three
> times to get the NCAA minimum, after which he received a full ride to one
> of the better universities in the country (Michigan; Go Blue! <g>), while
I
> and my co-valedictorians had to pay full price. :P
>
> *However*, I feel I was well prepared for college.  I studied a lot in
high
> school -- I had term papers and difficult exams and a good variety of
> classes, both science and humanities.  My husband is one of these people
> that says "oh, high school is so easy; they pass you even if you never
> crack a book" and I always respond "you should have gone to my high
> school". <g>
>
> Sorry, this is off topic, but I can never quite figure out if I went to a
> good school ... or if I just wasn't smart enough to get A's without
> studying like other people claim they did. <g>
>
> Kathy
>
> ______________________
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> kathyb@springnet1.com
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> These people may be great at what they do, but I don't consider expertise
in
> one specialty to necessarily carry over into another field.  Sorry, but I
> don't regard *any* of them as qualified to lead the country.

Is Warren Beatty - or even Charlton Heston, who I believe may have
been considering it - really all that different from Reagan?  <g>

Wendy
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Date:         Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:39:48 +0100
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Sweetheart -

I know exactly how you feel. I felt terrible too because she just
looks so like you, and I couldn't bear the thought of you hearing
something like that. And apart from that, she just seems so young and
vulnerable.

I promise I'll get home as early as I can tonight so we can spend
some time together. I guess I never realised how much work is
involved in being editor-in-chief, though. No wonder Perry's
exhausted!

> Back to work, I've tried contacting Courtney Hart again.  I even went
round
> to her apartment.

Superman hasn't been able to find any trace of her either. I'm
getting worried.

> Clark, did Doc Klein mention a tuning fork to you?

He did, honey, and he said... I've just checked, he said 'it was no
ordinary tuning fork, but...' and then never finished what he
intended to tell me. I've asked him what he meant, but haven't
managed to get an answer out of him yet. You think I should get
Superman to ask him? <g>

I love you, honey. Just remember, we have each other and soon we're
going to have our child as well. We're very lucky!

See you soon,

Clark

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Wendy Richards
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>> These people may be great at what they do, but I don't consider expertise
in
>> one specialty to necessarily carry over into another field.  Sorry, but I
>> don't regard *any* of them as qualified to lead the country.
>
>
>Is Warren Beatty - or even Charlton Heston, who I believe may have
>been considering it - really all that different from Reagan?  <g>
>

Very likely not!!  Frightening, isn't it?
Terry Horowit
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Not to take political sides, but, to be absolutely fair, Mr. Reagan did have
a
certain amount of political experience, as governor or California.  In my
view,
that gave him at least *some* credentials.  If Mr. Beatty, Mr. Trump, or Ms.
Winfrey want to run for President, perhaps they should try for a lesser
position
first.  Going for President right off the bat seems a bit presumptuous.

Nan

Wendy Richards wrote:

> > These people may be great at what they do, but I don't consider
expertise in
> > one specialty to necessarily carry over into another field.  Sorry, but
I
> > don't regard *any* of them as qualified to lead the country.
>
> Is Warren Beatty - or even Charlton Heston, who I believe may have
> been considering it - really all that different from Reagan?  <g>
>
> Wendy
> ----------------------
> Wendy Richards
> w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Nan, you're absolutely right.  Besides, when parents fail to do what the
schools fail to do, some kids will learn anyway.  It's a matter of
motivation.

I'm not sure where VA ranks in that list; the schools in northern Virginia
are EXCELLENT.  It's too bad that the schools in the southern part of the
state are so awful.

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Hi Honey,

I know, you're waiting for me at home, but I'm at STAR Labs. I'll get
back as soon as I can, but something pretty bad has happened. You
said you'd carry on working on your MacDonald notes until I got back,
and as I can't get through by phone I guess you're using the internet.

You know Lara was very upset last night when Bernie told her she was
a clone and that she was dying. We thought we'd calmed her down a
bit, but she was just pretending. That cry for help I heard - it was
her.

The cry came from the Chemco factory on the other side of town. I
found Lara there, on the floor, bleeding badly from a gunshot wound
to the chest. She was still alive, but barely, and she managed to
tell me what happened. She'd decided no-one took her seriously as a
reporter, so as she knew we were investigating Harry P. Dow and
Chemco, she decided to break in - apparently Jimmy told her you were
famous for that kind of thing. She found one drum which was covered
with a tarp, while all the others were on open view, so she decided
to look inside it. But Harry Dow found her. In fact, it seems Dow
mistook Lara for you - Lara managed to tell me that Dow said 'What
are you doing here, Ms Lane?' before shooting her.

Dow had already escaped before I got here; I just took Lara and flew
her straight to STAR Labs. Bernie's not at all sure that he can do
anything for her, poor kid. He's going to try, but he says that her
cell structure is almost completely broken down anyway so that even
though he and Superman managed to repair the chest wound she's
unlikely to live.

You know, I feel so responsible - if I hadn't suggested that Bernie
should tell her the truth, she wouldn't have done this!

But she may have helped to crack part of the investigation. There were
traces of chemical on her hands, and Bernie's going to test it to see
if it bears any resemblance to the elements in the Planet bomb.
Superman's already apprehended Dow and brought her in, and Henderson's
placed a guard on the Chemco factory to make sure no-one tries to
remove anything before he gets a search-warrant. The fact that Lara
was shot there would normally make things easier, but in the
circumstances, I don't know if we want Lara being a clone to become
public knowledge. I'll have to talk to Henderson.

Honey, you please take care of yourself and our baby. Lara looks so
like you - I can't bear the thought of ever finding you like that.

I'll be home as soon as I can.

I love you so much,

Clark

----------------------
Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Wow!  Talk about a shocking development!

Nan

Wendy Richards wrote:

> Hi Honey,
>
> I know, you're waiting for me at home, but I'm at STAR Labs. I'll get
> back as soon as I can, but something pretty bad has happened. You
> said you'd carry on working on your MacDonald notes until I got back,
> and as I can't get through by phone I guess you're using the internet.
>
> You know Lara was very upset last night when Bernie told her she was
> a clone and that she was dying. We thought we'd calmed her down a
> bit, but she was just pretending. That cry for help I heard - it was
> her.
>
> The cry came from the Chemco factory on the other side of town. I
> found Lara there, on the floor, bleeding badly from a gunshot wound
> to the chest. She was still alive, but barely, and she managed to
> tell me what happened. She'd decided no-one took her seriously as a
> reporter, so as she knew we were investigating Harry P. Dow and
> Chemco, she decided to break in - apparently Jimmy told her you were
> famous for that kind of thing. She found one drum which was covered
> with a tarp, while all the others were on open view, so she decided
> to look inside it. But Harry Dow found her. In fact, it seems Dow
> mistook Lara for you - Lara managed to tell me that Dow said 'What
> are you doing here, Ms Lane?' before shooting her.
>
> Dow had already escaped before I got here; I just took Lara and flew
> her straight to STAR Labs. Bernie's not at all sure that he can do
> anything for her, poor kid. He's going to try, but he says that her
> cell structure is almost completely broken down anyway so that even
> though he and Superman managed to repair the chest wound she's
> unlikely to live.
>
> You know, I feel so responsible - if I hadn't suggested that Bernie
> should tell her the truth, she wouldn't have done this!
>
> But she may have helped to crack part of the investigation. There were
> traces of chemical on her hands, and Bernie's going to test it to see
> if it bears any resemblance to the elements in the Planet bomb.
> Superman's already apprehended Dow and brought her in, and Henderson's
> placed a guard on the Chemco factory to make sure no-one tries to
> remove anything before he gets a search-warrant. The fact that Lara
> was shot there would normally make things easier, but in the
> circumstances, I don't know if we want Lara being a clone to become
> public knowledge. I'll have to talk to Henderson.
>
> Honey, you please take care of yourself and our baby. Lara looks so
> like you - I can't bear the thought of ever finding you like that.
>
> I'll be home as soon as I can.
>
> I love you so much,
>
> Clark
>
> ----------------------
> Wendy Richards
> w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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At 9:48 AM -0700 10/8/99, Nancy Smith wrote:
> If Mr. Beatty, Mr. Trump, or Ms.
>Winfrey want to run for President, perhaps they should try for a lesser
>position
>first.  Going for President right off the bat seems a bit presumptuous.

Kind of like how Tempus tried first for Mayor in the alt world, then went
for President "here". <vbg>

Kathy

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Hehehehe!

 By the way, in case anyone's interested, although I vote in every election,
I'm not ferociaously devoted to any party.  I want to judge the candidate,
not the label!

Nan

Kathy Brown wrote:

> At 9:48 AM -0700 10/8/99, Nancy Smith wrote:
> > If Mr. Beatty, Mr. Trump, or Ms.
> >Winfrey want to run for President, perhaps they should try for a lesser
> >position
> >first.  Going for President right off the bat seems a bit presumptuous.
>
> Kind of like how Tempus tried first for Mayor in the alt world, then went
> for President "here". <vbg>
>
> Kathy
>
> ______________________
> Kathy Brown
> kathyb@springnet1.com
> kathyb@lcfanfic.com
> KathyB on IRC
> ______________________
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Date:         Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:30:08 +0100
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Henderson -

Superman asked me to get in touch with you to fill you in on what's
been happening tonight. He apologises for leaving you with Ms Dow
without much of an explanation.

A junior member of the Planet reporting staff, Ms Lara Wells, was
aware that part of the bombing investigation was focusing on Chemco.
For reasons of her own, she decided to sneak into the warehouse on
the outskirts of town and snoop around. As she was examining a drum
which had been hidden under a tarpaulin, she was disturbed - by Ms
Dow, she told Superman.

Ms Dow thought Lara was Lois (as you may know, they look very alike)
and challenged her, and then shot her once in the chest. Lara
screamed, and Dow escaped. When Superman found Lara she was barely
conscious and bleeding badly, but she managed with some effort to
tell Superman what had happened. That's why Superman apprehended Ms
Dow and handed her over to you, and asked you to mount a guard
outside the factory.

Now here's the confidential part. Dr Bernard Klein of STAR Labs
discovered very recently that Lara is a clone, and also that her very
limited life-span is almost up. Superman took Lara to STAR Labs, and
Dr Klein is doing all he can for her. But he thinks that she is
unlikely to live more than a few hours. If it's at all possible, I
think Superman and Dr Klein would prefer it if the fact that Lara is
a clone did not become common knowledge. You'll have to make up your
mind on that one, but do speak to Dr Klein.

Now, the factory. We have good reason to suspect that the drum Lara
was examining contains the illegal chemical which was used in the
making of the Planet bomb. There are traces of it on Lara's fingers,
and when he's able Dr Klein will get one of his assistants to take
samples and get them down to the police labs. You'll want to search
the factory and confiscate that drum.

Superman also asked me to tell you that he will meet you to make a
statement as soon as he can, probably within the next few hours.

Clark Kent.
----------------------
Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Please add me the the list for reading room stories

Brenda
--------
>From: zane3873@INAME.COM
>To: d.arendt@worldnet.att.net
>Subject: RE: Re: Mass mailing of reading room stories
>Date: October 08, 1999
>
>I would like the reading room stories please
>
>Jennifer
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Norman Mayes <Budmayes@AOL.COM>
>To: <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:50 AM
>Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories
>
>
>I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
>reading
>room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
>them out maybe on Sunday.
>
>I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
>they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
>mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
>budmayes
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cool. can't wait for more.

Sharon L Gilbert, Ph.D.
Center for Community Inclusion
University of Maine at Orono
5717 Corbett Hall
Orono, ME  04468
207/581-1219

Don't judge another until you have walked a mile in their shoes, then
if you still don't like them you are a mile away and you have their
shoes.
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I'm afraid I have very sad news for you all.

Lara Wells was shot tonight as she was carrying out an investigation
for the Planet. She was very seriously wounded, and the doctor in
charge of her case tells me that she may not make it.

I know you'll all be very upset about this, as I am myself. Naturally
I'll keep you informed of any news.

I can't tell you the entire circumstances right now, but what I can
say is that what Lara was doing before she was shot has given the
police some very significant evidence which may help them to arrest
the person who is responsible for bombing the Planet. Superman, who
found Lara, tells me that what she did was very brave. The Daily
Planet should be proud of her, and we will say so publicly when we're
able to print the full story.

Clark Kent
Acting Editor-in-Chief.

----------------------
Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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I hate to keep pestering people, but I'm plotting a fanfic and I need
the information.  The Family Hour played here in June, however, in the
timeframe of "Lois and Clark" it could have been a different time of
year (especially if you think of  "Meet John Doe" and "Lois and
Clarks").  Does anyone have any information about when it was supposed
to take place?  I like to keep my stories consistent with the timeline.
"Doppelganger" has to happen approximately 19 months after Lois and
Clark's non-wedding.  There are a couple of other reasons as well, but I
don't want to go into them now.  It's for background, but a story is no
good if the background isn't solid. If someone could just post me an
answer, I'd appreciate it.

Nan
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I'd like to read those stories, could you add me too?

Tedras
Blue Dragon

----- Original Message -----
From: Norman Mayes <Budmayes@AOL.COM>
To: <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 1:50 PM
Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories

> I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend
to send them out maybe on Sunday.
> I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if they
mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
> budmayes
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Wow, Pam! What a premise! You have me on the edge of my seat!!!
Nicole

--
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
NKWolke@eifel-net.net

"God, you really have a hard head," he heard her say and he watched her
beautiful mouth starting to smile hesitantly. "If I'm going to have a bump
and start looking like Frankenstein's monster, you'll have to pay, Mister."
Clark wanted to tell her that she could never look like a monster. He wanted
to tell her that she was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. He
wanted to ask her out, to marry him and have his kids, but no sound came
over his lips.

"Heartache tonight", by the L&CFanfiction Team, coming soon (?) to an
archive near you.
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> Is Warren Beatty - or even Charlton Heston, who I believe may have
> been considering it - really all that different from Reagan?  <g>

Considering that Reagan had been the governor of California for eight
years, and involved in various other political things, my answer would
be, yes, quite a lot different.  :)
--
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"Well, it just so happens that I am a former girlscout."
"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
--Lois & Clark, "Ordinary People"
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Point to ponder:  In the US in 1994,
there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
--Reason Magazine, Nov 99, pp46-47.
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please add me to the list of reading room stories
merry
truitt22@flash.net

Dennis A Arendt wrote:

> Please add me the the list for reading room stories
>
> Brenda
> --------
> >From: zane3873@INAME.COM
> >To: d.arendt@worldnet.att.net
> >Subject: RE: Re: Mass mailing of reading room stories
> >Date: October 08, 1999
> >
> >I would like the reading room stories please
> >
> >Jennifer
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Norman Mayes <Budmayes@AOL.COM>
> >To: <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
> >Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:50 AM
> >Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories
> >
> >
> >I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
> >reading
> >room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to
send
> >them out maybe on Sunday.
> >
> >I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind
if
> >they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
> >mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
> >
> >budmayes
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Thanks Norman for finally sending these out - I was hoping you would - you
sent
me 5 stories already and I can't wait for you to send the rest.
merry
truitt22@flash.net

Norman Mayes wrote:

> I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
> room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to
send
> them out maybe on Sunday.
>
> I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
> they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
> mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
> budmayes
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Hi Bud,

This is another "I'd like the reading room stories too" message.  How many
FoLCs have asked for them?

Bye,
Rhonda
-----Original Message-----
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To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
<LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 5:50 AM
Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories

>I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
>room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
>them out maybe on Sunday.
>
>I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
>they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
>mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
>budmayes
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> *But* my point is - is this *my* problem when I'm writing fanfic? Are
these
> failures of society my responsibility to correct? And, to be honest, my
own
> personal viewpoint, callous as it may sound, is - no they aren't. I'm just
happy if
> someone reads my stories and enjoys them for the pieces of entertainment I
> intended them to be.

I completely agree, LabRat, which is why I wrote

>I've always felt that a writer's
>responsibility is to the characters, to make them as real and true as
>possible.  Everything else comes after that.

And that everything else includes presenting an example of proper grammar,
proper morality, proper *anything.*  That's why my Clark Kent says things
like "Lay down" instead of "Lie down," not as a way of my showing that he
relates to his peers by speaking on their level, but because that's the way
he talks.  Making the character true is what matters to me, not presenting
good examples of proper usage.

However, other than contractions like gonna, gotta, and wanna, Clark speaks
pretty grammatical English with very few exceptions (lay/lie and occasional
misuse of pronoun-gerund combinations--both of which I've heard on the
show), so I'm not too concerned with his setting a bad example, anyway.

Sheila
(who usually feels most comfortable arguing both sides of any question :)
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In a message dated 10/08/1999 12:21:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< Is Warren Beatty - or even Charlton Heston, who I believe may have
 been considering it - really all that different from Reagan?  <g> >>

Well, wasn't Charlton Heston president in the alternate universe and Reagan
in ours? Maybe that's not much of a difference--actors being president <g>.

--Laurie
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Hi Hazel,

I'm going to jump in and add my two cents worth to Sandy's comments.  First,
I am in total agreement with her that it is a very good story.  Your
characterizations are excellent.  I really felt as if I were watching an
episode.  Now on to more specific topics:

In a message dated 10/7/99 3:23:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes:

 >> Does Lois need an active role?
 >
 >Not in what you've done thus far. You can have a story without her at
 >all if you like.  However, I think it depends on what stage their
 >relationship's in.  If it's third season and Lois knows his other
 >identity, even if they aren't married, he would -- or should -- talk to
 >her at some point about what happened.  Second season, he couldn't tell
 >her much.

 When I first wrote this story for the 30-minute challenge, I left Lois out
 because I didn't want to try to write her. :) I don't think I want Lois in
 the story; I think Clark should be able to reason things out on his own.
 "Stronger than me alone" and all that, yes, but he *has* to be a little
 strong on his own. Doesn't he? :)

I second Sandy.  Lois does not need to be in this if it is second season.  I
like the idea of Clark being glad that Lois isn't there so he doesn't have
to
make up yet another lame excuse for leaving.  Sandy is right that Lois would
insist on going and getting involved.

 >> Should Clark phone home to Mom and Dad for advice?
 >
 >About what?

 Well, about this. He seems to do that a lot in the transcripts and fanfic
 that I've read. "Mom, what do you think I should do?" "What's wrong,
 honey?" "Well... <current problem>" "What do you think you should do,
 sweetheart?" "Well, maybe I should... <various suggestions>" "It's up to
 you, Clark." "Thanks for your help, Mom." :) Seriously, that does seem to
 be the trend -- Martha tends to be more a sympathetic listener than a
 dispenser of advice. Again, I like to think that Clark is an adult who can
 handle problems on his own, but I wanted to ask the list's opinion. (Can a
 list have an opinion? Um...)
 > _______________________________________
 >>

It seems to me that Clark mostly calls his parents for general advice very
early in the series, when he is still trying to figure out just what he
wants
Superman to be ( and when he is being directly challenged by Lex and poor
old
Clark doesn't have a clue what to do about anyone so evil).  After a while,
I
think he mostly calls home for advice about what to do about his
relationship
with Lois.  She seems to shake him up and rattle his self-confidence on a
daily basis.  So again, I'm with Sandy on this.  He doesn't need to call
home.

 >> "Kent?" rumbled a gravelly baritone.
 >
 >Actually, I thought Henderson's voice seemed kind of twangy, (but I know
 >you may not have heard it). Others may disagree.

 Hmm. What do others say about this? (This is one of my problems, as many of
 you know.) Thanks for pointing to picture sites, Sandy, but Pam & Co.
 kindly included a pic of Henderson in Phil's finale to S6. I made his voice
 gravelly because of his personality. What kind of accent does he have? Is
 he Southern, a New Yorker, a Mid-Westener? Help me out, FoLCs!

I think Henderson was kind of twangy -- not really any particular regional
accent-- definitely not Southern or New York.  Maybe Midwest -- Ohio for
example.
 >
 >> As he rose from his chair, he couldn't help but take a quick, wistful
look
 >> at the empty desk across from him. What a pity that Lois was out again
this
 >> morning, meeting a source! He would have appreciated her input.
 >
 >Hmm.  His wanting to talk suggests third season, because, during the
 >second season, Lois was still out of the loop and Clark probably would
 >have welcomed being able to leave the office without having to explain
 >anything. If second season, he *might* have asked her what she thought
 >re contacting Superman, but she probably would have wanted to go along
 >and be involved.  So, I bet he would have kept the whole phone
 >conversation quiet.

 Well, I couldn't not mention Lois at all... could I? :) Good point though.
 Perhaps, if I definitely settle on second season, I can add a line about
 Clark reconsidering that and being grateful she's not around to ask awkward
 questions.

 Absolutely!

 >> "Superman," Henderson grunted as the Man of Steel appeared in his
doorway.
 >> "C'mon in, take a seat. I want you to listen to a recording."
 >
 >semicolon after c'mon in(?)

 I personally have trouble using semicolons in dialogue unless someone is
 giving a formal speech. While I dislike too many ellipses in conversation
 (I've seen many, many people use them instead of breaking dialogue into
 full sentences or using commas and other punctionation), a semicolon just
 feels... off. I'm not sure why. Is there something *wrong* with the comma?

Sandy is right on this one.  If you have a compound sentence (which you do
here), you have to use a semicolon if you don't use a coordinate conjuntion
(and, or, but or nor).  What you have at the moment is called a "comma
splice" and is frowned upon greatly by English teachers.   Commas separate
items in a series, set off appositives, and separate clauses which have
conjunctions.  ("C'mon in, and take a seat," would be fine.)

 Good point. I did make sure to have him say "Inspector" or "Inspector
 Henderson" until then... but is it really considered impolite to refer to a
 third party by his last name? People do say "Clinton" all the time, frex.
 (Let's please not get into whether or not people care to be polite to
 Clinton.) It's not important, though; he can always say "Clark Kent."

I can't recall either Clark or Superman ever referring to people by only
their last name.  I think it happens quite a bit in the media to save space,
time and the awkwardness inherent in the US  with people not knowing which
women want to be Mrs. or Miss and which want to be Ms.

 >> The box was locked.
 >
 >Maybe he has a key.

 Yes, but it'll take that extra second or two to unlock it. It's not like
 all he has to do is flip open the lid.

I agree with you on this one, Hazel.
 >
 >
 >> Clark made up his mind. Taking a deep breath, bracing himself for the
 >> possibility of sudden, searing pain, he flashed downwards in an
eyeblink,
 >> snatched the man by the arms, and flew upwards in a heartbeat.
Washington
 >> squeaked in astonishment and almost lost his hold of the box, his legs
 >> flailing wildly as he tried to find some purchase.
 >
 >Very smart move.  I think Clark would think of it ... except, during
 >third season, when he lost his brain.

 This looks like more and more like it's turning into season two, doesn't
it?

 It's definitely turning into season 2.

 >> "It's Kryptonite."
 >
 >I'm not sure kryptonite is capped.  Is it?  Are other rocks and
 >minerals?

 Good question. How about it, listees? Do you or don't you capitalize
 Kryptonite? I vote yes, simply to give it more significance, but I'd like
 to hear other opinions.

Other rocks and minerals are not capitalized.  ( I have a diamond ring.)

 >> Clark couldn't help but smile. "I'll do that," he said. He looked at the
 >> man carefully. "And thank you. Maybe I could help you look for some
honest
 >> employment...?"
 >
 >This is so Clark, Hazel.

 Well, good. ;) Glad to hear I'm doing something right.

Your Clark is very "so Clark."

Take care,

Ann
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Can you add me to the list as well.

Thanks

Lesley AKA Ladyhawke

lhilliar@idirect.com

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>I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
>room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
>them out maybe on Sunday.
>
>I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
>they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
>mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
>budmayes
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In a message dated 10/7/99 7:27:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK writes:

<< >
 Double Ooooooh. Yes, please! I want to see this scene at some point in one
 of your nfic, girl. ;) >>

It sounds like LabRat needs a very large glass of ice water. <g>

Ann
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In a message dated 10/7/99 7:45:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK writes:

<< Lois and Clark would know the difference
 for precisely the reasons cited above. I agree that they would know the
 difference - but I still insist on having them incorrectly say "I feel
 nauseous." IMO, nauseous has become the 'correct' instance simply through
 erosion, the norm by default and useage. The vast majority of Americans say
 nauseous when they mean nauseated. (And, just to complicate matters, over
 here in the UK, we'd just say "I feel sick". <bg>) Not all of them know
that
 it is incorrect when they do, but I maintain that even most of those who
 do....well, do. Therefore, so do Lois and Clark.  >>

I agree, most people in the US who know the difference between "nauseous"
and
"nauseated" still say "I feel nauseous" if they use either word.  There is,
of course, the other member of the trio-- nauseating-- which seems to be
more
commonly used to mean "causing nausea" than nausea.  I, on the other hand,
tend to say, "I feel sick."

I don't think that Lois and Clark would misuse me and I, however.  I can't
recall ever hearing it on the show, but I've seen it a lot in fanfiction.

Ann
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In a message dated 10/8/99 9:48:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<<
 Labby, our local school hasn't even taught my sons to spell!  I'm having
 to do the job, myself.  The California school system is a disgrace.
 There are many fine teachers here, but the system for teaching kids to
 read and write in California is hard for them to fight. >>

Cheer up, Nan.  It's not just California.  The "Whole Language" movement is
a
blight on the land.  When my son was in the primary grades, the teachers
told
us NOT to tell them how to spell words when they were writing.  It might
stifle their creativity.  <g>  Jeff is a very creative, but precise, kid,
and
it drove him crazy.  So I had to teach him how to spell by sounding out
words
so that he could spell things correctly without my telling him how.

When he had teachers who tried to teach spelling and grammar, the principal
usually wound up running them off.  (Of course, the fact that the principal
can't spell herself may have something to do with it.)

Ann
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Count me in too, please.
I can take attachments.

Ann

Aerm1@aol.com
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In a message dated 10/8/99 10:48:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<<
 Trying to teach grammar in a way that will stick is unbelievably difficult
 when you can't use the quick memory tricks like the one Terry and Nan
 mentioned because your students *don't hear the error*!  Kathy mentioned
the
 grammatical reasoning behind the I/m confusion ("I" is only used in
 subjective case, while "me" is in objective case), but students only learn
 that sort of thing long enough to regurgitate it on a test.   >>

Sheila,

I don't think that we can ignore the research studies on language
aquisition,
either.  I teach French, and I am increasingly convinced that the scientists
who think that something in the brain governing language aquisition gets
turned off after puberty are right.
I know that it is extrememly difficult for many high school students to
learn
and internalize a second language.  When I taught college freshmen, they had
even more difficulty.

The English teachers at my school tear their hair out, because, as you say,
kids learn enough for the test, but don't apply it in their writing.  If the
rules of grammar are going to be internalized, they need to be taught in
elementary and middle school, when children are still programmed to learn
language.  It's definitely a problem with no easy solution, since the people
who decide how to teach young children are still into "Whole Language."

Ann
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I'm obviously on a different timetable than most of you, but then I get to
read all the interesting stuff  all at once.
NAN, since I was teaching in Southern California in the late 50's,and early
60's you might have been one of my students.  Believe me when I say that you
would have worked very hard.  I  taught daily lessons in spelling and
vocabulary and required a writing sample of some kind  (which I always
corrected and returned) almost every week.  My daughter is now a language
arts teacher in the Bay area and she has had educated and affluent parents.
who complain because she expects too  much and grades too hard.  Getting in
those good collges is more important than learning.  I haven't taught in
more years than I'll tell you, but more recently have geen charged with
dealing with these problems as a school board member.  Trying to keep
standards high and provide real learning experiences for kids is tough.
Everyone has an opinion about how to do it  and they're all different.  I'm
out of that area now, but I remain interested.

SHEILA AND KATHY I agree completely that the writer must be true to the
character, but I  base my opinion of L and C on characteristics they
exhibited in Seasons 1 and 2 when Deborah Joy Levine and Kathy McCormick
(sp?) were influencing the writing staff.  It was during this period that
Clark showed us his love of the language through his writing (the theater
piece} and his "editing"of Lois' copy (The FBI isn't a person so it can't
speak).  The scrpits during those 2 seasons were literate, well written,
well directed and well-acted.  The decline began in  Season 3 after the
Clone arc.  I know I'm probably a minority, but I thought it was brilliant
and inventive.  I  loved those little doppel-buffo critters, just for what
the name means if nothing more. I think I'm babbling off the subject here.
Back to Clark the grammarian; I always attributed the bad stuff that showed
up in Seasons 3 and 4 was due to the writers' no longer knowing or caring
about what these characters were, and the actors speaking lines with their
own take on what  it's correct to say.  Dean and Teri have both uttered
terrible bloopers in late-night interviews.  So, what's my point?  To me ,
Lois and Clark showed in the beginning that they were people who cared about
speaking and writing correctly, and I think they should be written that way.
Certainly they would still speak in the vernacular.  Clark would not call
Lois and say "It is I, Calark."  "It's me"  has become idiomatic and is
perfectly acceptable.  Regional differences cannot be accepted unless they
are a part of the common acceptable language.  I grew up where "It don"t
make no difference" was pretty commonly used, but it wasn't acceptable.
Until they died, my farm raised parents said "He done that".  I loved them,,
but that didn't make their dpeech correct.   But that's how I  would write
my story..  So if you don't agree. well,  that's what makes writing
creative.

LABRAT  asked if it's his responsibiliy.  Obviously I think  it's the
responsibility of everyone who  loves good writing.  I'm not leading a
movement, but I feel that as an individual, I have to light a candle to
dispel the dark.  Think what a brighter world it could be if we all lit
those candles.  Well, having resorted to the worst kind of trite metaphor,
I'd better  let this go.

THE WEDDING DESTROYER  is after Clark and me.  That has been answered
manyfold.  Sound has nothing to do with it.  Lois is correct and the
suggestion for removing Clark from the sentence is the best crutch for those
who have problems with pronouns as objects of  prepositions.  The only time
(I think) that it won't work is with the preposition between.  It's always
between him and me, her and me, Clark and me, etc.  Never, never I after
between.  Nuff said.  Jude
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In a message dated 10/8/99 11:47:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< I get: verbless sentences, subject-less sentences, single-sentence
 paragraphs, sentences completely unpunctuated.
  >>

You mean you have to have a subject *and* a verb?  Darn!  <g>

I don't know if it is encouraging or discouraging to know that you have the
same problems on your side of the Atlantic.

Ann
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One instance of the misuse of the promoun in in "Lois and Clarks".  Lois has
just used whom correctly, and Clark responds with "There's this strange
chemistry between you and I."
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> In a message dated 10/7/99 7:45:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK writes:
>
> << Lois and Clark would know the difference
>  for precisely the reasons cited above. I agree that they would know the
>  difference - but I still insist on having them incorrectly say "I feel
>  nauseous." IMO, nauseous has become the 'correct' instance simply through
>  erosion, the norm by default and useage. The vast majority of Americans
say
>  nauseous when they mean nauseated. (And, just to complicate matters, over
>  here in the UK, we'd just say "I feel sick". <bg>) Not all of them know
that
>  it is incorrect when they do, but I maintain that even most of those who
>  do....well, do. Therefore, so do Lois and Clark.  >>
>
>
> I agree, most people in the US who know the difference between "nauseous"
and
> "nauseated" still say "I feel nauseous" if they use either word.  There
is,
> of course, the other member of the trio-- nauseating-- which seems to be
more
> commonly used to mean "causing nausea" than nausea.  I, on the other hand,
> tend to say, "I feel sick."
>
> I don't think that Lois and Clark would misuse me and I, however.  I can't
> recall ever hearing it on the show, but I've seen it a lot in fanfiction.
>
> Ann
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could you add me to the list.
thanks
lisa.glasson@tesco.net

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Date: 08 October 1999 12:50
Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories

>I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
>room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
>them out maybe on Sunday.
>
>I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
>they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
>mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
>budmayes
>
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Norman Mayes wrote:
>
> I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
> room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to
send
> them out maybe on Sunday.
>
> I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
> they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
> mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
> budmayes

Please do. I haven't had any problems with attachements yet <grin>

Brazil <msberard@earthlink.net> Red
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Until  we can agree that learning is a continuum and that all those little
boxes called 1st grade, 2nd grade etc. just get in the way  and are willing
to pay the bill for the  really cmall class sizes that will allow the 1 to 1
learning experiences that are needed, we will continue to spend billions for
what most regard as too little progress.  Imagine what could be done with
just a portion of the defense budget.  But of course, first we have to
agree. Jude
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> In a message dated 10/8/99 10:48:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:
>
> <<
>  Trying to teach grammar in a way that will stick is unbelievably
difficult
>  when you can't use the quick memory tricks like the one Terry and Nan
>  mentioned because your students *don't hear the error*!  Kathy mentioned
the
>  grammatical reasoning behind the I/m confusion ("I" is only used in
>  subjective case, while "me" is in objective case), but students only
learn
>  that sort of thing long enough to regurgitate it on a test.   >>
>
> Sheila,
>
> I don't think that we can ignore the research studies on language
aquisition,
> either.  I teach French, and I am increasingly convinced that the
scientists
> who think that something in the brain governing language aquisition gets
> turned off after puberty are right.
> I know that it is extrememly difficult for many high school students to
learn
> and internalize a second language.  When I taught college freshmen, they
had
> even more difficulty.
>
> The English teachers at my school tear their hair out, because, as you
say,
> kids learn enough for the test, but don't apply it in their writing.  If
the
> rules of grammar are going to be internalized, they need to be taught in
> elementary and middle school, when children are still programmed to learn
> language.  It's definitely a problem with no easy solution, since the
people
> who decide how to teach young children are still into "Whole Language."
>
> Ann
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It looks like an all-nighter here....

Superman brought Lara  here with a chest wound.  At first I thought it was
you, Lois.  It gave me quite a jolt.  She had lost a lot of blood.  We
removed the bullet and Superman closed the wound, but she is in very
weakened
condition.  I have called my colleague Dr. Atcliffe to help.  He has been
working on a, well, a time machine.  I know it sounds crazy, and we're not
sure if it will work, but at least it gives Lara a chance.  Dr. Atcliffe has
been adjusting the relationship of the vector matrix to the "srizonified"
plane dimension adaptor, which should cause the... well, he thinks it will
work.

                                        Yours in science,
                                                    Bernie
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Due to the criminal events of the evening, Chemco has now been corded off.
We have an APB out on Dow.  We found the suspected drum of chemicals.  A
sample is on its was to you, Dr. Klein, to determine whether it matches the
chemicals involved in the explosion.

Regarding the clone, I understand your concern and desire to keep that fact
from becoming public.  I spoke to Dr. Klein on the phone a few minutes ago,
and I'm still not sure if I believe it all.  Knowing you, Lois and Clark, as
long as I have, though, I know that anything is possible.  I cannot keep
quiet on the subject without being in danger of witholding evidence, but I
will only share it with the DA.  As long as the fact is not material
evidence, it will not need to be public, and I'm sure the DA will agree.

Thank you, and please thank Superman, for your continued cooperation with
the
Metropolis PD.                 Henderson
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Judith wrote:

>LABRAT  asked if it's his responsibiliy.  Obviously I think  it's the
>responsibility of everyone who  loves good writing.  I'm not leading a
>movement, but I feel that as an individual, I have to light a candle to
>dispel the dark.  Think what a brighter world it could be if we all lit
>those candles.  Well, having resorted to the worst kind of trite metaphor,
>I'd better  let this go.
>
Then we shall agree to disagree, Judith. :) Although I would say that I
don't think my own love of good writing should necessarily be in any doubt
because I prefer my dialogue to be on the ground roots realism side of life
than on the educational peak. We can all love good writing, while not
agreeing on the specifics of what makes it good.  Having proofers has taught
me many things - but the most surprising, I have to say, is how much of
'correct' grammar is down to personal interpretation. I've taken commas out
of fic on the advice of Proofer A, only to be asked to ressurect them by my
GE. And vice versa.

And I still haven't yet recovered from the utter shock of Becky telling me
during proofing CF that my 'till' was incorrect and it should be 'til, being
a contraction of 'until'. You could have knocked me over with a feather.
When I was a child I was given hours of detention because I argued that very
point with my teacher. It made no sense to me that it should be till. A till
was something a shop put money in. It was clear that 'til was the correct
form. It was the only thing that made sense. But, no. Into detention I went
for stubbornly refusing to use till because it was 'stupid'.

I think it was the sheer illogic of that one that in part led to my lifelong
decision never to pay too much attention to what was considered the
grammatical norm. For years, I mounted my own little rebellion, absolutely
refusing to use till, always using 'til - until I just got so darned fed up
with editors pointing it up as a correction that I gave up, gave in, and
decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  And then, out of the blue, Becky
casually informs me that I was right all along. I was a basketcase. Suddenly
my entire world made no sense at all. <G>

BTW, regarding nauseaous/nauseated - I forgot to mention that I recently
discovered in one of my LNC scripts that Lois actually uses the wrong form -
nauseous. Granted it was in a scene which didn't actually make it on to the
show, but was deleted in a later draft, but it's still good enough for me.
<G>

Though, Becky may be delighted to know that I wasn't at all aware that you
guys in the US *ever* said "I feel sick." I smell a compromise coming up,
kid. <G>

LabRat :) (Who hasn't had 'the op' - honest)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
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In a message dated 10/8/99 6:44:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

<< Until  we can agree that learning is a continuum and that all those
little
 boxes called 1st grade, 2nd grade etc. just get in the way  and are willing
 to pay the bill for the  really cmall class sizes that will allow the 1 to
1
 learning experiences that are needed, we will continue to spend billions
for
 what most regard as too little progress.  Imagine what could be done with
 just a portion of the defense budget.  But of course, first we have to
 agree. Jude >>

How true.  I about choked the other day when I heard a teacher who used to
teach middle school but now teaches high school say, "Well, middle school is
really just a holding tank.  You can't teach kids that age anything.  The
best you can hope to do is maintain order.   They're too hormonal."  Perhaps
what they need to cool those hormones down is some serious school work.

That agreeing part -- that's gonna be a tough one.  I imagine there are as
many theories of education as there are Schools of Education.  I'll never
forget the workshop presenter I heard in 1982 who said, "Don't you just love
buzz words?  In education we have a new one every year." :)

Ann
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Lois, Clark, and Inspector Henderson:

I apologize, Clark, for not finishing my email the other day.  Can you
believe I was bodily pulled away from my computer by the admin guys
upstairs?
 Is there no respect for science?  And the events since then have kept me
only focussing on the moment.

The mangled, half melted piece of metal the PD recovered from the rubble
turned out to be very interesting.  We heated it and coaxed it back to it's
original shape and... tada... it is a tuning fork!  Not an ordinary tuning
fork, though.  When I first struck it to get it to vibrate,  I didn't hear
anything until all the beakers on the lab table shattered.  Fortunately, we
have a sound lab down a floor, so I took it there to continue testing.

What I found out, is that the tuning fork sounds a note near the top of the
human hearing range.  This note coincides exactly with the resonant
frequency
of glass of ordinary peanut butter jars and when amplified to the proper
intensity causes the jars to vibrate in a longitudinal pattern, increasing
in
amplitude until the jar shatters.    You should come by and see the lovely
sine curve the vibration creates.  Science is beautiful.  Potassium
chlorate,
combined with the chemical soup we got from the samples is incredibly
unstable.  The vibrations, combined with the shattering glass would most
likely be enough to trigger a chain explosion.

There you have your trigger mechanism.  I have receive the chemical samples
from the PD and will work on it over the weekend <sigh>.

                                        Sincerely,

                                            Bernard S. Klein, PhD

P.S.  Lara is in good hands.  We'll just have to cross out fingers now.
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Please include me in the list to get these stories. Attachments are welcome.
 Thanks.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic
> [mailto:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU]On Behalf Of Norman Mayes
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 06:50
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>
> I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from
> the reading
> room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I
> intend to send
> them out maybe on Sunday.
>
> I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
> they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't
> know if they
> mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
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Carolyn, my love.

What a time I have had since you left!  How sensitive you are to have
figured
out that I've been dealing with clones.  It is just the sort of thing that
gets members of the Scientists for an Ethical World all excited.  The
ethical
dangers of cloning certainly have me concerned.  A clone of Lois Lane
appeared recently, and unfortunately she was disintegrating rapidly.  She
didn't even know she was a clone, and I had to tell her!

She  is in the capable hands of our friend, Phil.  The transporter
appartatus
will get it's chance to do good.

I think of you whenever I am wearing the "Adonis" cologne you gave me...
which is all the time.  I adore you and need your arms around me.  Love,
Bernie
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At 05:27 PM 10/06/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>> However, despite their frequent appearance on TV, and  in newspapers and
>> magazines about the entertainment industry, these usages are not yet
>> acceptable.  We must hold our ground!  After all, writers are supposed to
>be
>> the last defenders standing against the language barbarians.
>
>Jude, LOL!  That's true, and I work hard to make sure my writing is
>grammatically correct.  However, that's only true of narrative--*not*
>dialog.  I had a character in Faster Than a Speeding Bullet say, "There's
>over 300 people on the space station," and Kathy Brown, my editor,
>immediately called me on the usage.  I pointed out that the *character* was
>misusing it--and left it as it was.

[snip]

>Sheila
>(who really obsesses over very tiny details)

I think you're right to do that. I think we should try our best to use
correct
English in the narrative, the nonspoken parts of the story, but it's okay if
a
person speaking doesn't use correct English... unless, imo, it's distracting
and the reader begins to remember she's reading something and isn't right
there
in the story.

I get destracted when a story tries to write down every nuance of a heavy
accent. Trying to make Perry "sound" from the south can be painful to the
eye.
The use of "darling" is okay, but too much "lil ole gals like you-uns"
would be
too much. If I find myself rereading a statement, trying to figure out what
was
said, then I've just been thrown out of the story. It's like a big typo.

I recently helped format a self-published book, a fictional story about some
real people back in the 1700s. The author insist'd on trying to mimic
English
of that period--in the narrative, the descriptions, as well as in what the
characters were'a sayin'.  He want'd much use of 'twas and thus and other
pirate-sounding words.... and it did fail to sound right to my bonny ears...
but, hey, he paid a lot for our wordprocessing services, so...

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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At 08:56 PM 10/06/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>... For right or wrong, this *is* how people talk some of the time, and
>if the author is trying to capture authentic sounding conversation, I would
>not dispute that.
>
>For example, I think we've discussed before Clark's way of speaking ... he
>uses "gonna" regularly.  If someone were editing my story and insisted that
>I need to change my sentence because "going to" is the grammatically
>correct way to spell it, I'd get myself another editor. <g>

Perhaps Clark could use "gonna" and Superman can use "going to" :)

>To give a recent example from my own writing, I am not very consistent at
>using "lay" and "lie" correctly, as Wendy can attest.  She's been keeping
>me honest on this ... "Clark laid on the bed" is wrong

Unless it's in that story "Chicken or the Egg?"

> "Clark lay on the bed" is right

No, I think it's "lay *over* the bed" in this case.

Debby
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Regarding the "till vs. til" argument, I never have used "till" in my life.
I
always use "til" and no one has ever objected.  And "I feel sick" has always
been accepted as correct everywhere I've ever been, and that includes most
of
the US and parts of Central America as well--at least in the
English-speaking
sections.

I do have one note to make.  When I was in high school English classes,
"alright" was considered incorrect, and I got docked a point on an English
test
one time because of it.  Now it is considered correct, and is even in the
dictionary.  But I still use "all right", and never alright.  I guess that
shows
how something you learned young sticks with you.

Nan

LabRat wrote:

> Judith wrote:
>
> >LABRAT  asked if it's his responsibiliy.  Obviously I think  it's the
> >responsibility of everyone who  loves good writing.  I'm not leading a
> >movement, but I feel that as an individual, I have to light a candle to
> >dispel the dark.  Think what a brighter world it could be if we all lit
> >those candles.  Well, having resorted to the worst kind of trite
metaphor,
> >I'd better  let this go.
> >
> Then we shall agree to disagree, Judith. :) Although I would say that I
> don't think my own love of good writing should necessarily be in any doubt
> because I prefer my dialogue to be on the ground roots realism side of
life
> than on the educational peak. We can all love good writing, while not
> agreeing on the specifics of what makes it good.  Having proofers has
taught
> me many things - but the most surprising, I have to say, is how much of
> 'correct' grammar is down to personal interpretation. I've taken commas
out
> of fic on the advice of Proofer A, only to be asked to ressurect them by
my
> GE. And vice versa.
>
> And I still haven't yet recovered from the utter shock of Becky telling me
> during proofing CF that my 'till' was incorrect and it should be 'til,
being
> a contraction of 'until'. You could have knocked me over with a feather.
> When I was a child I was given hours of detention because I argued that
very
> point with my teacher. It made no sense to me that it should be till. A
till
> was something a shop put money in. It was clear that 'til was the correct
> form. It was the only thing that made sense. But, no. Into detention I
went
> for stubbornly refusing to use till because it was 'stupid'.
>
> I think it was the sheer illogic of that one that in part led to my
lifelong
> decision never to pay too much attention to what was considered the
> grammatical norm. For years, I mounted my own little rebellion, absolutely
> refusing to use till, always using 'til - until I just got so darned fed
up
> with editors pointing it up as a correction that I gave up, gave in, and
> decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  And then, out of the blue, Becky
> casually informs me that I was right all along. I was a basketcase.
Suddenly
> my entire world made no sense at all. <G>
>
> BTW, regarding nauseaous/nauseated - I forgot to mention that I recently
> discovered in one of my LNC scripts that Lois actually uses the wrong form
-
> nauseous. Granted it was in a scene which didn't actually make it on to
the
> show, but was deleted in a later draft, but it's still good enough for me.
> <G>
>
> Though, Becky may be delighted to know that I wasn't at all aware that you
> guys in the US *ever* said "I feel sick." I smell a compromise coming up,
> kid. <G>
>
> LabRat :) (Who hasn't had 'the op' - honest)
> Doc. Klein's LabRat
> labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk
>
> PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!
>
> "Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde
>
> "Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." --
H.
> L. Mencken
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LabRat wrote:
>
> Judith wrote:
>
> >LABRAT  asked if it's his responsibiliy.  Obviously I think  it's the
> >responsibility of everyone who  loves good writing.  I'm not leading a
> >movement, but I feel that as an individual, I have to light a candle to
> >dispel the dark.  Think what a brighter world it could be if we all lit
> >those candles.  Well, having resorted to the worst kind of trite
metaphor,
> >I'd better  let this go.
> >
> Then we shall agree to disagree, Judith. :) Although I would say that I
> don't think my own love of good writing should necessarily be in any doubt
> because I prefer my dialogue to be on the ground roots realism side of
life
> than on the educational peak. We can all love good writing, while not
> agreeing on the specifics of what makes it good.  Having proofers has
taught
> me many things - but the most surprising, I have to say, is how much of
> 'correct' grammar is down to personal interpretation. I've taken commas
out
> of fic on the advice of Proofer A, only to be asked to ressurect them by
my
> GE. And vice versa.

Well, aren't you both right?

While I would never expect dialogue to be grammatically correct to the
point of being stilted -- especially if you're establishing a character
and want to use regional dialect, ethnicity, class, or age group to do
so -- I certainly expect the *author's* narrative to be grammatically
correct. However, if the character him or herself is narrating the
entire story (e.g. Debby's "My Journal"), than that's another kettle of
fish altogether, and, I guess, anything goes.  What annoys me is when
the author visits his or her own grammatical weaknesses onto a
character. But, how is one to know that unless it's egregious? The
author could always claim it's the way the character speaks. I do.<g>

--
Sandy
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In a message dated 10/8/99 8:05:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< When I was in high school English classes,
 "alright" was considered incorrect, and I got docked a point on an English
test
 one time because of it.  Now it is considered correct, and is even in the
 dictionary.   >>

Me wonders which dictionary you found that in.  In my American Heritage
Dictionary, it has "alright" with the note -- a common misspelling of all
right.  And my spell checker says "Change to all right."

Ann
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I found it in Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1979 edition.  I checked,
because i noticed the word was being used so often, and I had always
believed
it to be incorrect.  In any case, to me "alright" will always be incorrect.
Using it just *feels* wrong to me.

Nan

Ann E. McBride wrote:

> In a message dated 10/8/99 8:05:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
> << When I was in high school English classes,
>  "alright" was considered incorrect, and I got docked a point on an
English
> test
>  one time because of it.  Now it is considered correct, and is even in the
>  dictionary.   >>
>
> Me wonders which dictionary you found that in.  In my American Heritage
> Dictionary, it has "alright" with the note -- a common misspelling of all
> right.  And my spell checker says "Change to all right."
>
> Ann
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In a message dated 10/8/99 11:02:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK writes:

<< *But* my point is - is this *my* problem when I'm writing fanfic? Are
these
 failures of society my responsibility to correct? And, to be honest, my own
 personal viewpoint, callous as it may sound, is - no they aren't. Let
others
 debate whether teachers are doing the job they are paid for, whether
schools
 are fit for the task of educating the young. But me - I'll just keep on
 writing because it's fun. I'm not being paid to play teacher. >>

I agree with you, LabRat. Not to mention that if someone already lacks a
solid background in grammar, it won't matter how conscious of the rules of
grammar a writer makes a character. That is, someone thought "Clark and I"
*sounded* better than "Clark and me" even though "Clark and me" was
grammatically correct as used by Lois in that particular sentence.  Having
Lois grammatically correct in that instance was not only not educational to
that person, but made her believe that Lois had not been. The "educational"
part entered the picture when the person was told *why* Lois had been
grammatically correct.

Fiction would range from dull to laughable if all characters spoke proper
English. Immortal fictional characters like Tom Sawyer and the Artful Dodger
butchered the English language and would not have been believable if they
hadn't.  I try to be true to my characters and realize that those who are
"grammatically impaired" won't likely learn good grammar just by reading it
no more than I'd be able write music just by hearing a flawless symphony. If
someone believes "I have to lay down" *sounds* right compared to "I have to
lie down", then it doesn't matter if it was written properly. The reader
with
a poor background in grammar won't see it as proper anyway.

What does "the verb takes the subjunctive case" mean to someone with little
grammar training? I'll tell you what it means, it means squat! <g> It means
as much as my husband asking for the "boxed-in offset 5/16ths wrench" meant
to me :P

In a message dated 10/8/99 5:28:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

<< but I  base my opinion of L and C on characteristics they
 exhibited in Seasons 1 and 2 when Deborah Joy Levine and Kathy McCormick
 (sp?) were influencing the writing staff.  It was during this period that
 Clark showed us his love of the language through his writing (the theater
 piece} and his "editing"of Lois' copy (The FBI isn't a person so it can't
 speak).  The scrpits during those 2 seasons were literate, well written,
 well directed and well-acted. >>

I love Dean, but he got better as an actor as the series progressed <g>
However, as to the issue of Clark correcting Lois, I saw that as
characterization in that he was the "compulsive" one and she was the
"impulsive" one. A recurring theme. Clark did come off as a little anal
sometimes and Lois was right "that's why we have editors". Clark couldn't
understand in the beginning that part of what made Lois a great writer was
not necessarily the "mechanics" of writing but her "passion" as an
investigative journalist. Lois, I'm sure, is/was well versed in the rules of
grammar, but in the heat of a breaking story, that probably took a back-seat
to getting all of the facts in place first. Since Lois was just getting her
thoughts down, it was likely her first draft and she didn't want to lose her
fire at that point worrying about grammatical correctness. Clark intruding
at
that moment with a pedantic grammar lesson was probably more annoying than
appreciated.  It's a bit like typing live to the IRC channel during round
robins. Typos and misspellings are going to happen, but we don't have time
to
correct them then and there, but we do know we'll have to correct them later
;)

 >>So, what's my point?  To me , Lois and Clark showed in the beginning that
they were people who cared about speaking and writing correctly, and I think
they should be written that way.<<<

I don't like locking characters into their "beginnings". Real characters,
like real people, do evolve (or devolve ;) and that should be reflected.
Though I don't believe Lois and Clark were *that* heavy into speaking and
writing correctly even in the beginning. What might be reflected is that
when
Lois and Clark became less formal with each other they dropped a few
pretenses they had going. Pretenses that might have helped keep barriers in
place.

We often act (speak) differently in a formal work environment than we do in
a
casual environment with friends. We write to a friend less formally than we
write a business letter. As Lois and Clark became closer as friends, and
then
romantically, more formalities were dropped. Even by second season as Lois
moved closer to Clark, she became less formal around him "It's kinda stupid,
but it gets better".  Though neither of them used fifty cent words when a
dime word would do. We're not talking "Mr. Spock" here <g> None of this
means
they "dumbed down" but rather became more comfortable with each other and
spoke as they did with others they felt close to. Clark certainly wasn't
very
formal with his parents. Clark stopped the formality of calling Perry "Mr.
White", however had Perry insisted upon being called that, Clark would have
continued to do so. It has to be mutual.

Clark was the most casual when he had little to fear. In Green Green Glow of
Home, when he lost his powers and therefore couldn't possibly slip up in
front of Lois, he became *very* casual around her, and he was also in his
hometown environment. "Come on, you're havin' more fun than ya wanna admit".
He opened up to Lois about a lot of things in that episode and his speech as
well as his clothing were very casual. I thought it was just natural, and
not
a lack on the writer's or actor's part. I prefer to view English as a living
language where the rules can be a bit flexible and reflect the circumstances
and even the changes in a personal relationship as they apply to realistic
dialog.

Zoom
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Wendy Richards wrote:
>
> > These people may be great at what they do, but I don't consider
expertise in
> > one specialty to necessarily carry over into another field.  Sorry, but
I
> > don't regard *any* of them as qualified to lead the country.
>
> Is Warren Beatty - or even Charlton Heston, who I believe may have
> been considering it - really all that different from Reagan?  <g>

I don't recall Charlton Heston making any noises regarding running for
President, but both he and Warren Beatty do have political experience so
to speak.  Heston is active in Republican politics and is the President
of the National Rifle Association.  Beatty has been a *long time*
liberal activist who raised money and organized for people such as Gary
Hart.  Neither man has run a government, however, as others have pointed
out. But, neither has Ronald Reagan.;) He delegated.

Warren Beatty, Donald Trump, Pat Buchanan, Ross Perot -- for the moment,
it's all a sideshow.  The real political news this week is that the
results of the last election in the House, with one of the smallest
majorities in history, has finally borne fruit and the R's have
effectively lost working control of that chamber.  Can you say, Speaker
Gephardt?<g>

--
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Hi everyone,

I was just curious - about how old would you say the supporting characters
on LNC are, approximately? I mean, Perry, Jimmy, Martha, Jonathan, Ellen
and Sam. At the end of the fourth season, if you can go so far... Thanks.

/me crawls back under her rock...

Melisma
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please include me in too!! :)
-maryann james
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At 10:58 AM -0700 10/8/99, Nancy Smith wrote:
>I hate to keep pestering people, but I'm plotting a fanfic and I need
>the information.  The Family Hour played here in June, however, in the
>timeframe of "Lois and Clark" it could have been a different time of
>year (especially if you think of  "Meet John Doe" and "Lois and
>Clarks").  Does anyone have any information about when it was supposed
>to take place?  I like to keep my stories consistent with the timeline.
>"Doppelganger" has to happen approximately 19 months after Lois and
>Clark's non-wedding.

The non-wedding date is fixed ... February 11, 1996.  Their real wedding
date was October 6, 1996.

Beyond that, you can be flexible.  Most people use the air dates as a rough
guide, and that works most of the time.  You aren't going to make MJD/LACS
work in our universe -- the Xmas ep happened in between, so even if you
*really* condensed time, you aren't going to make those episodes occur in
November.  And AKAS occured in late February (Clark's birthday), so that
episode is fixed, also.  You could fake it by saying 9 months occured
between AKAS and MJD, but I think you'd have trouble selling that!

Bottom line - if you need your story to take place 19 months after the
Argh, use the Feb 96 date and count forward.  Ignore the "presidential
elections".

Kathy

______________________
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Even a lurker has to come out for something like this.  Please put me on the
list.  Thanks,
Dockingbay@msn.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Mayes <Budmayes@AOL.COM>
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Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:47 AM
Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories

>I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
>room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
>them out maybe on Sunday.
>
>I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
>they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
>mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
>budmayes
>
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I prefer to think that MJD and Lois and Clarks were in November and aired
out
of sequence.  That makes it sensible.  I think I'm going to assume that The
Family Hour occurred in June, and the baby was about 21/2 to 3 months old.
That puts Doppelganger in September and the baby  between 5 and 6 months.
Perfect.

I'll start posting to Zoomway's message board and maybe this list after I
work
out the rest of the bugs and get a couple of chapters written--probably a
week
or two.  I hope you like suspense.

Nan

Kathy Brown wrote:

> At 10:58 AM -0700 10/8/99, Nancy Smith wrote:
> >I hate to keep pestering people, but I'm plotting a fanfic and I need
> >the information.  The Family Hour played here in June, however, in the
> >timeframe of "Lois and Clark" it could have been a different time of
> >year (especially if you think of  "Meet John Doe" and "Lois and
> >Clarks").  Does anyone have any information about when it was supposed
> >to take place?  I like to keep my stories consistent with the timeline.
> >"Doppelganger" has to happen approximately 19 months after Lois and
> >Clark's non-wedding.
>
> The non-wedding date is fixed ... February 11, 1996.  Their real wedding
> date was October 6, 1996.
>
> Beyond that, you can be flexible.  Most people use the air dates as a
rough
> guide, and that works most of the time.  You aren't going to make MJD/LACS
> work in our universe -- the Xmas ep happened in between, so even if you
> *really* condensed time, you aren't going to make those episodes occur in
> November.  And AKAS occured in late February (Clark's birthday), so that
> episode is fixed, also.  You could fake it by saying 9 months occured
> between AKAS and MJD, but I think you'd have trouble selling that!
>
> Bottom line - if you need your story to take place 19 months after the
> Argh, use the Feb 96 date and count forward.  Ignore the "presidential
> elections".
>
> Kathy
>
> ______________________
> Kathy Brown
> kathyb@springnet1.com
> kathyb@lcfanfic.com
> KathyB on IRC
> ______________________
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Hi everyone,

I was just curious - about how old would you say the supporting
characters
on LNC are, approximately? I mean, Perry, Jimmy, Martha, Jonathan,
Ellen
and Sam. At the end of the fourth season, if you can go so far...
Thanks.

/me crawls back under her rock...

Melisma

***********************

  The B-plot in the first season Superman Clone ep was about Perry's
50th birthday. So figure 54 for season 4.  It seems to me I remember
Jimmy being 23, but I don't remember if I got that from an ep or a
fanfic.
  I don't recall ages being mentioned for the parents. I'd guess Martha
and Ellen to be about the same age - maybe mid fifties. Jonathan and
Sam are harder, maybe late fifties? (I've always been terrible with
men's ages)
  That's my take on it - anyone else want to try?

TerriAnn

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From:         Becky Bain <rbain@USWEST.NET>
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LabRat said:
>Though, Becky may be delighted to know that I wasn't at all aware that you
>guys in the US *ever* said "I feel sick." I smell a compromise coming up,
>kid. <G>

Works for me.  <g>  And how come I never thought to suggest it?

And for the general record - anyone who's read "Timeless" knows I'm willing
to abandon grammar for the sake of characterization in dialogue.  It's the
narrative portion where I like to be as grammatically correct as I can
manage.  And yes, I'm a stickler for using the right word in that
narrative.  I admit to being driven a bit crazy when I see "insure" when
the writer clearly meant "ensure," "compliment" for "complement" (or vice
versa),  "taught/taut" (in a B&B nfic story, I once read that Catherine had
"taught curves."  Which of course led me to wonder what she'd taught them
to do.  <g>), and yes, "nauseous" for "nauseated."  In our newspaper today,
an article talked about someone "pouring" over some papers.  No wonder
people get it wrong!  They see that in the paper and think it must be
right, it's a newspaper!

So yes, I do think it's important for writers to get it right when it's
feasible, within the framework of the story, to do so.  But you'll find
sentence fragments and structure that's not necessary grammatically sound
in my stories, in places where I thought it was needed to provide impact or
make a point, so I'm not a total pedant.  <g>

Becky

rbain@uswest.net

"The difference between the right word and the nearly right word is the
same as that between lightning and the lightning bug."  - Mark Twain
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The men?  Well, people age at different rates.  My husband is in his mid
fifties and has dark hair, and not too  many wrinkles. I've seen men in
their forties who looked older than Sam.  I'd say mid to late fifties isn't
a bad guess.  Martha looks older, but a farm woman would have been exposed
to a lot of sun, so that would account for it.  Probably early fifties is
pretty close.

Nan

TA Merrill wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I was just curious - about how old would you say the supporting
> characters
> on LNC are, approximately? I mean, Perry, Jimmy, Martha, Jonathan,
> Ellen
> and Sam. At the end of the fourth season, if you can go so far...
> Thanks.
>
> /me crawls back under her rock...
>
> Melisma
>
> ***********************
>
>   The B-plot in the first season Superman Clone ep was about Perry's
> 50th birthday. So figure 54 for season 4.  It seems to me I remember
> Jimmy being 23, but I don't remember if I got that from an ep or a
> fanfic.
>   I don't recall ages being mentioned for the parents. I'd guess Martha
> and Ellen to be about the same age - maybe mid fifties. Jonathan and
> Sam are harder, maybe late fifties? (I've always been terrible with
> men's ages)
>   That's my take on it - anyone else want to try?
>
> TerriAnn
>
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In a message dated 10/8/1999 10:58:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
106532.433@COMPUSERVE.COM writes:

<< Sorry this is a rush job, but didn't Harry Dow take piano lessons when
she
 was a child?  I seem to remember Mother always complaining that Mrs Dow
 boasted about how talented her daughter was and that she had dreams of her
 becoming a concert pianist.  I have vague recollections of Mother bemoaning
 the fact that neither of us were gifted in such an acceptable 'ladylike'
 field.
 >>
Yeah she did.   I sure remember that all too well.  Mother tried to get me
to
take piano lessons with Harry for so many years.

How are you feeling?  Take care of my little nephew or neice.

Love,
Lucy
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In a message dated 10/8/1999 11:56:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes:

<< Sorry, this is off topic, but I can never quite figure out if I went to a
 good school ... or if I just wasn't smart enough to get A's without
 studying like other people claim they did. <g>
  >>

Don;t worry about it Kathy.  I was definately the same way in high school.
I
studied very hard, wrote papers, had tests and the teachers expected ALOT
from us.  I got straight A's in high school, but I worked my tail off.  And
I
think it is definately helping my in college (4.0 :-) )/

Alicia
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Please add me the list for the reading room stories also.
Thanks
Mikey14674@aol.com
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So,  Pam Posts the first exciting episode of
the "just like that" arc....
And Ms. Spoiler Queen that I am,
I can't wait to read the next section
and go looking for it on zoom's boards --
Only to find every single other part
*except* part 2....
We can do many things but we cannot
read out of order now can we? ;o)
[Well actually, we could and we tried,
but we failed. <g>]
Soooooo,
I read the Made for Each Other? Saga
(a drama in a parallel universe <g>) instead.

Since today is tomorrow, could you post
the next section now pleeeaaaaaseeeeeee!?!?!?!!?

Sitting in suspense,

Maggie
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Could you add me to the list too please.
I can take attachments.

Kismet
bka
Alicia
Kismet3838@aol.com

In a message dated 10/08/99 14:19:35 US Mountain Standard Time,
lhilliar@IDIRECT.COM writes:

<< >I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
 reading
 >room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to
send
 >them out maybe on Sunday.
 >
 >I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
 >they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
 they
 >mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
 >
 >budmayes >>
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I should like to be included in the list for reading room stories.

Attachments are fine.

Thanks Jenni Debbage
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>I think you're right to do that. I think we should try our best >to use
correct
>English in the narrative, the nonspoken parts of the story, but >it's okay
if a
>person speaking doesn't use correct English... unless, imo, >it's
distracting
>and the reader begins to remember she's reading something and >isn't right
>therein the story.

Ok, I'm going to stick my two cents in here, now.  I definately agree with
this part.  All of the stuff from that writing course thingy I'm doing has
said not to over do the accents.  It serves no real purpose and jolts the
reader out of the story.  A little indication of the accent and maybe
mentioning that the character has the accent is supposed to be enough.

Tara :-)
------Original Message------
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Sent: October 8, 1999 12:47:33 PM GMT
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At 05:27 PM 10/06/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>> However, despite their frequent appearance on TV, and  in newspapers and
>> magazines about the entertainment industry, these usages are not yet
>> acceptable.  We must hold our ground!  After all, writers are supposed to
>be
>> the last defenders standing against the language barbarians.
>
>Jude, LOL!  That's true, and I work hard to make sure my writing is
>grammatically correct.  However, that's only true of narrative--*not*
>dialog.  I had a character in Faster Than a Speeding Bullet say, "There's
>over 300 people on the space station," and Kathy Brown, my editor,
>immediately called me on the usage.  I pointed out that the *character* was
>misusing it--and left it as it was.

[snip]

>Sheila
>(who really obsesses over very tiny details)

I get destracted when a story tries to write down every nuance of a heavy
accent. Trying to make Perry "sound" from the south can be painful to the
eye.
The use of "darling" is okay, but too much "lil ole gals like you-uns"
would be
too much. If I find myself rereading a statement, trying to figure out what
was
said, then I've just been thrown out of the story. It's like a big typo.

I recently helped format a self-published book, a fictional story about some
real people back in the 1700s. The author insist'd on trying to mimic
English
of that period--in the narrative, the descriptions, as well as in what the
characters were'a sayin'.  He want'd much use of 'twas and thus and other
pirate-sounding words.... and it did fail to sound right to my bonny ears...
but, hey, he paid a lot for our wordprocessing services, so...

Debby
Debby@swcp.com

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The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?"

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On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:27:49 -0500 Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
wrote:

> Bottom line - if you need your story to take place 19 months after the
> Argh, use the Feb 96 date and count forward.  Ignore the "presidential
> elections".

In any case, who's to say that in the L&C universe presidential
elections don't happen in February?

Wendy
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On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:18:51 +0100 LabRat
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>
> And I still haven't yet recovered from the utter shock of Becky telling me
> during proofing CF that my 'till' was incorrect and it should be 'til,
being
> a contraction of 'until'.  [snip]

Ah, but in *UK English* 'till' in the sense of 'waiting till she
comes,' for example, *is* correct. 'Til' is not. You could get away
with it if you put an apostrophe in front as Becky does, though.

But it depends which 'language' you're trying to write in, LabRat -
since you're one of the 'bilingual' writers <g>.

Wendy

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Wendy wrote:

>In any case, who's to say that in the L&C universe presidential
>elections don't happen in February?

Hey, another one with this theory! <g> It comes in very handy times, you
know. I avoided a nasty rewrite in Caped Fear by advising my proofers that
bars in the alt Boston of the LNC universe obviously have much less rigorous
licensing laws than in our Boston. Apparently, in the latter, they don't
open at 3am. ;)

And what are you doing in the office on Saturday morning? Get out and enjoy
the.....dreich, rainy, grey and awful day, if it's anything like here.

Or have you hooked up to the list via home now? <g>

LabRat :)
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On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:34:06 +0100 LabRat
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>
> And what are you doing in the office on Saturday morning? Get out and
enjoy
> the.....dreich, rainy, grey and awful day, if it's anything like here.
>
> Or have you hooked up to the list via home now? <g>

Nope; working!! Open day... A-level students who want to do HRM!

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In a message dated 10/08/1999 11:11:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< The men?  Well, people age at different rates.  My husband is in his mid
 fifties and has dark hair, and not too  many wrinkles. I've seen men in
 their forties who looked older than Sam.  I'd say mid to late fifties isn't
 a bad guess.  Martha looks older, but a farm woman would have been exposed
 to a lot of sun, so that would account for it.  Probably early fifties is
 pretty close. >>

Well, for someone already in their 40's you make me feel awfully old. :( I'd
always pictured L&C's parents as quite a lot older than me. Remember if they
are in their early 50's, L&C were born when they were about 20. Somehow, I'm
not so sure about that. We know that Martha and Jonathan struggled with
being
childless for a while after they were married so I doubt they were that
young
when they found Clark. And we know that Ellen was Sam's nurse before they
got
married. If so, she'd have had to finish college and work for a while before
they got married, too, so, again, I'd guess she was older than 20 when Lois
was born. I'd be more inclined to say early 60's...

--Laurie (feeling old this morning)
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since today is tomorrow... ;)

*****
--two weeks later--

A frantic knocking on his door drew Clark Kent out a deep and troubled
sleep.  He hadn't slept well for weeks, in fact, ever since he'd found
his fiancee's body in that underground lair that Lex had been using.
Whenever he closed his eyes, he saw Lois' lifeless body, lying on the
cold ground, next to Lex.  No one had been able to determine the cause
of death, but that medical curiosity had hardly interested Clark, sunk
so deeply in his grief.

As he stumbled towards the door, straining to wake up, he checked the
clock -- it was three in the morning.  What could anyone want with him
at this hour?  Superman had been patrolling for days on end, until
finally even he had been forced to rest -- and now whoever this was had
disturbed that.  He squinted towards the door before donning his
glasses; his visitor was a woman he'd never seen before, and she looked
agitated.

He opened the door, irritated but trying to control it.  "Yes, how can I
help you?"

She didn't answer at first, but instead flung herself against him, half
hugging him, half pushing him back.  After a brief moment, she released
him, and turned wide, frightened eyes up at him.  "God, Clark, close the
door, I don't know how close they are behind me."

Clearly she had lost her wits, whoever she was, but his mother's
training stood fast.  He closed the door, and turned back to her.
"Would you care to... sit down?"  The question trailed away as he saw
that she'd already made a beeline for his refrigerator.

"I have just been dying for a cream soda," she announced, dragging out
the one remaining can of the beverage.  "Although that's a bad choice of
words.  Anyway, champagne is more in Lex's style."  She carried the can
over to his sofa and curled herself into a corner, proceeding to pop the
can open and take a long swig.

Clark sat in a chair opposite her, watching her drink.  She was blond,
with blue eyes and shoulder-length hair.  He was quite certain he'd
never seen her before, but somehow she still seemed familiar.  She was
looking a little ragged, too, he gauged -- a bit undernourished and
overstressed.  She was still shivering a bit from the chilly night air.

She sighed, half the drink gone, and glanced over at him.  "I am so glad
I caught you in tonight.  I was afraid you'd be out, you know, and
obviously I don't have my key anymore."

She sketched a gesture in the air, and it took him a second to realize
that it was the same motion he and Lois had used to reference his
flying.  He ignored that sally, uncertain how to deal with it.  "Uh,
miss, I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, but..."

She laughed, a little hysterical, then took a deep breath.  "That's one
of the things I love about you, Clark.  You're so polite, even when you
think a person's absolutely nuts."

He frowned at her mention of love.  "Who *are* you?"

"Right, time to tell the story.  Clark, you're not going to believe
this."  She looked him straight in the eye, setting down the can.  "I'm
Lois Lane.  Lex kidnapped me right before the wedding, and I don't know
what all happened to you, but obviously a lot has happened to me."

His stomach felt cold.  "You are not Lois Lane."

She seemed prepared for his instinctive denial.  "Not physically, no.
But mentally, I am.  Lex has a servant, back from when he was
respectable - you know, when I was dating him, before you and Perry
busted up the wedding - and boy, do I have bad luck with weddings, it's
obviously going to take a miracle if I'm ever going to get married...
um" she stopped herself, took another deep breath, and tried to get back
on track.  "Anyway, he has this servant, a guy named Asabi.  He's some
kind of Far East mystic, and he had some way to do a soul transfer, or
at least that's what they called it.  While I still thought I was Wanda,
he transferred Lex and me to these new bodies -- clones -- that they'd
-- we'd -- stolen from S.T.A.R. labs.  Remind me to apologize to Dr.
Klein for shooting him -- at least I think I shot him, my memory of that
time is fuzzy."

Clark sat back, dazed by this improbable tale.  "No, that can't be
true...  You must be a plant, an agent of Luthor's -- even after his
death he wants to torture me.  Why are you doing this to me?"

She shook her head gently.  "Lex isn't dead, and neither am I.  Changed,
yes, but not *dead*.  C'mon, Clark, we've thought Lex was dead before,
and we were wrong.  You thought *I* was dead, not too long ago, and you
were wrong then, too..."

He glared at her suspiciously.  "What do you mean?"

She sighed wearily, the nervous energy that had been driving her
beginning to dissipate, and resettled herself on the sofa.  "Tim and
Amber Lake, Clark.  They set it up so that everyone thought Bad Brain
had killed me, but instead, they put me in a cage, and used me to trap
you."

"The Lakes used you to trap Superman," he corrected her.  She could have
read that much in the newspaper.

"Yes, and you are Superman.  Not that you ever told me that, but I
figured it out.  And hey, that was another time I was presumed dead;
back when you froze me to fool Jason Mazik.  God, it's always something
with us, isn't it?"  Her eyes drooped shut.

He still wasn't -- couldn't be -- convinced.  Possibly it was some
perverse scheme of Luthor's making -- the man had intended for him to
believe that his wife had died soon after the wedding, after all, when
the clone of Lois had ... expired.  Or maybe this woman was just
delusional, and had convinced herself of this absurd story.  But
whatever else she was, she was also utterly exhausted, in a way that
couldn't be faked.  And he needed rest, himself.  She seemed to have
fallen asleep right there on the couch; maybe she could stay there the
rest of the night.  He stood, intending to tip-toe his way back to the
bedroom.

That slight movement startled her awake.  "Clark?"  It was the
plaintive, scared wail of a child, an instinctive appeal for
reassurance.

He turned back to her, holding out a soothing hand, feeling a certain
tenderness towards her in spite of himself.  "It's all right.  Get some
sleep, okay?  I won't let anything happen to you."

She relaxed fractionally at that guarantee.  "Thanks, Clark ... we can
talk more in the morning, right?  What day is it, anyway, do you have to
go to work tomorrow?"  At his head shake, she smiled tentatively.  "Good
night then ... I love you...."

He flinched from that declaration, and her smile disappeared, leaving
them frozen awkwardly in place until he finally turned and walked to the
bedroom.

***

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Wendy wrote:

>In any case, who's to say that in the L&C universe presidential
>elections don't happen in February?

Well, that works for me ... the trouble with trying to use the date of
that election to navigate by is that there was *another* election in
that season -- in TPvLL/DLW, Lois was framed as a publicity stunt to get
that slime elected governor.  It didn't sound like they were talking
primaries, and governors are generally elected at the same time as
presidents (i.e., November).  So it doesn't make sense either way :)
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In a message dated 10/8/99 10:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:

<< I was just curious - about how old would you say the supporting
characters
 on LNC are, approximately? I mean, Perry, Jimmy, Martha, Jonathan, Ellen
 and Sam. At the end of the fourth season, if you can go so far... Thanks.
  >>

Well, in the first season, Perry has his 50th birthday.  So he would be
about
53-54 at the end of season 4.  In Target Jimmy Olsen, (season 2), he is 20.
So he would be 22 at the end of season 4.  Martha and Jonathan might be
close
to 60.  They would have had to have been about 30 when they found Clark,
since they knew that they couldn't have children.  They would have been
trying for a while.  Sam has to be at least late 50's to have been to
medical
school and residency before Lois was born or at least very old.  Ellen is
probably mid-fifties.

Ann
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In a message dated 10/9/99 6:11:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<<
 Ah, but in *UK English* 'till' in the sense of 'waiting till she
 comes,' for example, *is* correct. 'Til' is not. You could get away
 with it if you put an apostrophe in front as Becky does, though.

 But it depends which 'language' you're trying to write in, LabRat -
 since you're one of the 'bilingual' writers <g>.

 >>

Just for the record, my American Heritage Dictionary agrees that "till" and
"until" are synonyms and that " 'til is a possible variant form of until,
though most authorities now consider it a needless one."  Do it would seem
that both are correct, although "till" would be preferable.

While we're at it, I would love to not see "definately."  I can't decide if
people can't type or can't spell.  <g>

Ann
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Okay, you've got a point.  I'd say add 5 years to their ages..  My oldest
son is
nearly 25. but he was born when I was 26., and I am 51, now. (Don't look it,
either, hehehe),  If Martha and Jonathan married when she was, say 18 and
they
got Clark after they had been married say 5 or six years that would put
Martha at
54 or 55.

Nan

No Name Available wrote:

> In a message dated 10/08/1999 11:11:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
> << The men?  Well, people age at different rates.  My husband is in his
mid
>  fifties and has dark hair, and not too  many wrinkles. I've seen men in
>  their forties who looked older than Sam.  I'd say mid to late fifties
isn't
>  a bad guess.  Martha looks older, but a farm woman would have been
exposed
>  to a lot of sun, so that would account for it.  Probably early fifties is
>  pretty close. >>
>
> Well, for someone already in their 40's you make me feel awfully old. :(
I'd
> always pictured L&C's parents as quite a lot older than me. Remember if
they
> are in their early 50's, L&C were born when they were about 20. Somehow,
I'm
> not so sure about that. We know that Martha and Jonathan struggled with
being
> childless for a while after they were married so I doubt they were that
young
> when they found Clark. And we know that Ellen was Sam's nurse before they
got
> married. If so, she'd have had to finish college and work for a while
before
> they got married, too, so, again, I'd guess she was older than 20 when
Lois
> was born. I'd be more inclined to say early 60's...
>
> --Laurie (feeling old this morning)
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Hi FoLCs,

Just a quick update on the NKerths.  Sounds are available at
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/nficintro.htm

Thanks, Anne!

And thanks to Erin for letting us borrow the Kerth sounds!

See you at the ceremony, Saturday October 16 at 6pm ET on #nkerth, audience
on #nkerthchat.

Dawn
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On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:01:29 -0400 Pam Jernigan
<jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:

> It didn't sound like they were talking
> primaries, and governors are generally elected at the same time as
> presidents (i.e., November).  So it doesn't make sense either way :)

In *your* universe, perhaps... again, maybe not in L&C's!

Wendy

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If you assume it was the same election and they were just aired out of
sequence to real events it can work.  You just assume the timeframe you
want.  This is fiction.  You can do as you like.

My point in the question I originally asked, is that I want the baby's age
to be consistent with my new story and match up with the date of the
non-wedding which was in Feb of the previous year-- as I need it to take
place 19 months after that date.  If I assume The Family Hour took place in
June, and the story takes place in September, then the baby is between 5 and
6 months old.  This all isn't going to be a big point in the story, but I
like to work from a solid background, so inconsistencies don't pop up
later.  I map the background out in advance and work from that.

Nan

Pam Jernigan wrote:

> Wendy wrote:
>
> >In any case, who's to say that in the L&C universe presidential
> >elections don't happen in February?
>
> Well, that works for me ... the trouble with trying to use the date of
> that election to navigate by is that there was *another* election in
> that season -- in TPvLL/DLW, Lois was framed as a publicity stunt to get
> that slime elected governor.  It didn't sound like they were talking
> primaries, and governors are generally elected at the same time as
> presidents (i.e., November).  So it doesn't make sense either way :)
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Pam Jernigan            |  jernigan@bellsouth.net
> ChiefPam on IRC         |
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Well, it just so happens that I am a former girlscout."
> "Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
> --Lois & Clark, "Ordinary People"
> -------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Point to ponder:  In the US in 1994,
> there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
> but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
> --Reason Magazine, Nov 99, pp46-47.
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Oh, Sweetheart, =

 I am so sorry about Lara, but really you shouldn't blame yourself.  Lara=

was intelligent enough to know that she took a big risk in breaking into
Chemco.  Perhaps she even welcomed the fact that something might happen t=
o
her.  At least she wasn't sitting around waiting for the end.

I know that's how I would feel, wanting to do something productive even i=
n
death.

Now, thanks to Lara, Harry Dow can be charged with murder and with the
destruction of the Planet.  The chemicals Lara found in the factory were
used in the combination of the explosive and Lucy just confirmed my
recollection that Ms Dow was an accomplished musician.  She could have
taken it up as a career, so it's highly likely that she used her two skil=
ls
in her clandestine activities.  And it explains the peanut butter jars.

If only Harry Dow can be persuaded to name MacDonald, though I think it's=

more likely that she'll place the blame firmly on Underhill.  Dow obvious=
ly
has a high regard for her continued good health and if Macdonald is as
powerful as we think, her imprisonment is not going to keep her safe from=

his reach.  I think I'll get in touch with Henderson and suggest that he
places Dow in protective custody, heck, he probalby has her under guard. =

Don't tell him I said so, but Henderson is one good cop.

We have to find Underhill before MacDonald's killers get to him.  Accordi=
ng
to Perry, Ron has proof of who was really behind the bombing.  We need th=
at
proof or MacDonald walks away free and that will really....... make me
annoyed.  You'll notice Clark that I'm restriciting my use of colourful
language in front of the baby.  I don't want my child growing up using ba=
d
language.

See if you can contact Superman and get him on the job.

Oh, honey, I just caught the LNN world net work and I see Superman is bus=
y
helping out with those floods in Mexico.  Poor Superman, I always expect
him to do too much.  I mean he might be a 'super' man but he is a man and=
 I
expect that sometimes he needs a little R&R.  Well, we'll just have to ma=
ke
sure that when all this is over that we give him a little TLC.

See you sometime,
I love you,
Lois
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Doc,

You are a marvel and I could kiss you.  Remind me to do so at our next
consultation.

The tuning fork will tie Harry Dow even closer to the bombing.  She is an=

accomplished musician and would probably know about the sound waves. =

Allied with her knowledge of explosives and I think we have our bomber. =

Not to mention her little trips overseas to the very countries that expor=
t
these chemicals.  Harry Dow can't wriggle her way out of this one. =

 And she shot Lara.  How is the poor girl?  I don't expect that she'd be
pleased to see me but tell her that my thoughts and Clark's are with her.=
  =

Please tell her that I think  what she did was very brave, worthy of a
prize winning investigative reporter.

It's a pity that we haven't got a connection to MacDonald yet, but thanks=

for all of your help, Bernard.

Lois
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Inspector,

I'm pretty sure that you've already acted on this suggestion but, just in=

case you're not up to speed on information that was passed on to Perry
White, I feel that Harry Dow should be placed under protective custody.  =

If you've questioned her I'd guess that she fingered Ron Underhill for th=
e
bombing.  You might even have an APB out on him by now, hope you have mor=
e
luck locating him than Clark or I did... or Superman.  =

=46rom what Perry told us before he and Alice left for Graceland, Ron tri=
ed
to meet  Perry with  proof that  he, Ron, had been set up in the
destruction of the Planet.  Clark and I believe this is probably true. =

Underhill doesn't have the brains or the guts to mastermind a crime like
that and Harry Dow knows the truth.  I doubt though that she'll reveal he=
r
real boss.  Like Luthor, his tentacles are long and she's probably too
scared to talk.

I'm sure you know the identity of the man who instigated this whole affai=
r
and Clark and I will prove it, somehow.

Lois Lane
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LabRat said:
> Ah, but in *UK English* 'till' in the sense of 'waiting till she
> comes,' for example, *is* correct. 'Til' is not. You could get away
> with it if you put an apostrophe in front as Becky does, though.

and Wendy added:
> But it depends which 'language' you're trying to write in, LabRat -
> since you're one of the 'bilingual' writers <g>.

and then Ann responded:
>Just for the record, my American Heritage Dictionary agrees that "till" and
>"until" are synonyms and that " 'til is a possible variant form of until,
>though most authorities now consider it a needless one."  Do it would seem
>that both are correct, although "till" would be preferable.

So I looked it up myself in my Webster's New Universal Unabridged, which
does say that "till" is a perfectly acceptable form of "until."  Sigh.
Well, I learned, way back in elementary school, that it was "'til", and so
I suppose on this issue I'm going to have to just be stubborn and refuse to
change.  "Till" looks wrong, and if it looks wrong it'll bug me.  <g>  But
you can use either one, Rat, and I won't say anything any more. <g>

Becky

rbain@uswest.net

"The difference between the right word and the nearly right word is the
same as that between lightning and the lightning bug."  - Mark Twain
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Please add me in too.
ckj85@yahoo.com
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Please include me to the mass mailing and I can take attachments in .txt or
.doc
Thank You

Betty Cay
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Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 7:50 AM
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>I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
>room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
>them out maybe on Sunday.
>
>I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
>they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
>mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
>budmayes
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Include me too! Thanks!
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> Even a lurker has to come out for something like this.  Please put me on
the
> list.  Thanks,
> Dockingbay@msn.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman Mayes <Budmayes@AOL.COM>
> To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
> Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:47 AM
> Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories
>
>
> >I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
> reading
> >room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to
send
> >them out maybe on Sunday.
> >
> >I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind
if
> >they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
> they
> >mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
> >
> >budmayes
> >
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Me too, Bud.  Please?  And thanks!

Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

--- Eugene Ellison <supergirl28@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
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> Include me too! Thanks!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dockingbay <dockingbay@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
> To: <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
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>
>
> > Even a lurker has to come out for something like
> this.  Please put me on
> the
> > list.  Thanks,
> > Dockingbay@msn.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Norman Mayes <Budmayes@AOL.COM>
> > To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> > <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
> > Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:47 AM
> > Subject: Mass mailing of reading room stories
> >
> >
> > >I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have
> in stories from the
> > reading
> > >room. Send me a request, If you can take file
> attachments. I intend to
> send
> > >them out maybe on Sunday.
> > >
> > >I'm assuming that the authors intended these to
> be read, and won't mind
> if
> > >they are passed along. I won't post them to the
> list as I don't know if
> > they
> > >mind if they are archived. If anyone knows
> different, let me know.
> > >
> > >budmayes
> > >
>

=====

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re: just like that?
by:  Pam-I-worship-the-pixels-she-writes-on-Jernigan

The ideal day in the life of a fanfic addict:
sleep in....check your mail....new installment of story....
mosey on down to message boards....read every scrap
of every installment,  note, comment, or syllable uttered
in relation to said story...ponder the wonders of modern
technology... *beg*, *plead*, and attempt eloquent longing --
hoping the Fanfic Gods (or in my case, a certain aforementioned
Goddess)  will take mercy upon your hungry
soul and send you *the next installment* before you expire
from that lethal combination of Euphoria/Suspense & PWS
(Pamfic Withdrawal Syndrome)

[and yes, she gets her own acronym. so there. <vbg>]

Let us, review the facts...

1. On October 5th part 10 was posted
2. On October 7th Mrs. Jernigan had "almost all of 11 written"
3. It is now October 9th and yet....has part 11 been posted?!?!?!
4.  No.
5. Where *is* Part 11?
6. How many more parts are there?
7. When do we get them?
8. With all due respect Pam, you've been
posting fanfic on a fairly regular basis since I've known
you, and NOW, *now* you think would be a bad time?!?!
9.  ;o)

Maggie
who imagines the "just like that" arc
as the time when Teri was on Maternity
leave...what a clever way to get around
*that* development ;o)
Will she be back? or won't she?
Stay tuned. <g>

maggie13@bellsouth.net  (aka supermags on IRC)
We seek the comfort of another. Someone to shape and share the life we
choose. Someone to help us through the neverending attempt to understand
ourselves. And, in the end, someone to comfort us along the way. --Marlin
Finch Lupus, Lois & Clark, The New Adventures of Superman
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Don't forget me!

paularoy@sprintmail.com
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Well, I just posted this note to Hazel, than reread her original email in
which she said to post all comments publicly, so here are mine.  Hazel, you
will get this twice. <g>

Hi Hazel,
I just read a "great gob" of old mail today, including your story Honor
Among
Thieves. I enjoyed your story and also the ensuing discussion.

On the points of whether to include Lois and which season it should be - one
idea would be to have Clark wish he had someone to talk out his problems
with, then look wistfully over at Lois, busy at her desk.  This would make
it
second season.  I also think that this particular problem doesn't seem to be
the type of thing he would call his parents about, but you could write him
as
mentally rejecting the option, to avoid worrying them.  I like that you
wrote
him handling this by himself, as surely he must have done with many other,
unseen, unwritten (as yet) problems.

I was also confused by Henderson's secretary comment, as someone else was,
don't remember who.  Maybe some explanation for us feebleminded folcs would
help there.  <g>

Thanks for the entertainment.  :)

Donna
donnah7@aol.com
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Read LabRat's Tale of Till late last night, so looked it up in my handy,
dandy room size edition of Random House Dict. of Eng. Lang.  and boy was
that a surprise.  There are 2 words.  "  'til "with apostrophe for which the
definition is (are you ready) "prep.conj.  till,  until. var. of until.  see
till"  Don't you just love dictionaries.  Ok. away to "till".  There 7
definitions in all for this little word but I won't give every one.  "till,
prep. .1. up to the time of, until. 2. before. used in negative
constructions.: and various others as used in western U.S , Scotland etc.
By the way this "till" is the first in the listing of tills.  This whole
thing is beginning to take its till er, toll on me. (sorry couldn't resist.
I do love bad puns).   Well, these subtle  differences require more
brainpower than I'm willing to give up on what is a cool, lovely day after a
couple of downspouters.  By the way, my spellchecker has both words.  Jude
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> On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:18:51 +0100 LabRat
> <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:
>
> >
> > And I still haven't yet recovered from the utter shock of Becky telling
me
> > during proofing CF that my 'till' was incorrect and it should be 'til,
being
> > a contraction of 'until'.  [snip]
>
>
> Ah, but in *UK English* 'till' in the sense of 'waiting till she
> comes,' for example, *is* correct. 'Til' is not. You could get away
> with it if you put an apostrophe in front as Becky does, though.
>
> But it depends which 'language' you're trying to write in, LabRat -
> since you're one of the 'bilingual' writers <g>.
>
>
> Wendy
>
> ----------------------
> Wendy Richards
> w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Ah, children, it's all relative.  Keep talking.  I'm currently working on my
first fanfic and it begins on the eve of Lois' 65th birthday.
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> Okay, you've got a point.  I'd say add 5 years to their ages..  My oldest
son is
> nearly 25. but he was born when I was 26., and I am 51, now. (Don't look
it,
> either, hehehe),  If Martha and Jonathan married when she was, say 18 and
they
> got Clark after they had been married say 5 or six years that would put
Martha at
> 54 or 55.
>
> Nan
>
> No Name Available wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 10/08/1999 11:11:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
> >
> > << The men?  Well, people age at different rates.  My husband is in his
mid
> >  fifties and has dark hair, and not too  many wrinkles. I've seen men in
> >  their forties who looked older than Sam.  I'd say mid to late fifties
isn't
> >  a bad guess.  Martha looks older, but a farm woman would have been
exposed
> >  to a lot of sun, so that would account for it.  Probably early fifties
is
> >  pretty close. >>
> >
> > Well, for someone already in their 40's you make me feel awfully old.
( I'd
> > always pictured L&C's parents as quite a lot older than me. Remember if
they
> > are in their early 50's, L&C were born when they were about 20. Somehow,
I'm
> > not so sure about that. We know that Martha and Jonathan struggled with
being
> > childless for a while after they were married so I doubt they were that
young
> > when they found Clark. And we know that Ellen was Sam's nurse before
they got
> > married. If so, she'd have had to finish college and work for a while
before
> > they got married, too, so, again, I'd guess she was older than 20 when
Lois
> > was born. I'd be more inclined to say early 60's...
> >
> > --Laurie (feeling old this morning)
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Hey, Isn't this the Lois and Clark world?  Who says it's supposed to
consistent with a real time frame.. Inconsistency was the middle name of
that series.  Jude
----- Original Message -----
From: Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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> On Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:01:29 -0400 Pam Jernigan
> <jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
>
> > It didn't sound like they were talking
> > primaries, and governors are generally elected at the same time as
> > presidents (i.e., November).  So it doesn't make sense either way :)
>
> In *your* universe, perhaps... again, maybe not in L&C's!
>
> Wendy
>
> ----------------------
> Wendy Richards
> w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Well, in the first season, Perry has his 50th birthday.  So he would be
about
53-54 at the end of season 4.  In Target Jimmy Olsen, (season 2), he is 20.
So he would be 22 at the end of season 4.  Martha and Jonathan might be
close
to 60.  They would have had to have been about 30 when they found Clark,
since they knew that they couldn't have children.  They would have been
trying for a while.  Sam has to be at least late 50's to have been to
medical
school and residency before Lois was born or at least very old.  Ellen is
probably mid-fifties.
--------------------------

Martha and Jonathan celebrated their 35th wedding anniversary in ATAI, which
aired in May 1995, 29 years after they found Clark.  So they'd been married
six years before they found him.  Even if they'd married young (22 or 23),
they would still have been 60 by the end of season 4, so I usually put
Martha at 60 and Jonathan at about 63 by the end of S4.

Sheila
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wow! this is so cool. please send me the stories too... so many people have
requested this, are you sure you shouldn't just post them to the list
instead? (:

-anige (:

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Subject:      IMPORTANT REQUEST: Re: Mass mailing of reading room stories
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Please, please, please people, send your requests to be added to Bud's list
*privately*.  I have received at least 2-3 *dozen* one-line "add me too!"
messages over the last few days, and I'm getting tired of deleting them
all. <tired attempt at a grin>

Even if the organizer of such a mailing doesn't specifically request you
answer privately, this should be common sense on a mailing list.  Posting
one-liners that do not add to conversation is considered improper list
etiquette; in most listserv FAQs, it falls under "noise to bandwith ratio"
and "no 'me too' posts".

Bud, if you would please post your email address to the listserv, I'm sure
everyone who didn't think to copy it down the first time around will now
know who to write to, and the rest of us will thank you for reducing our
mail volume.

Thanks for reading!

Kathy (cranky list-aunt ;))

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At 11:27 AM +0100 10/9/99, LabRat wrote:
>     Hey  guys!   Does anyone know what  the maximum kb limit is on posts
to
>this list? I have a post of 26kb - will that  be okay? Or is it over the
>limit?

Lab, I'm not sure what the list's maximum is for accepting a post,
*however*, AOL converts everything over about 22K into an attachment, which
is very inconvenient for those subscribers.

The list maintains a guideline that posters limit their individual posts to
20-22K.  For S6, we'd shoot for around 20K per part. Story parts of this
size seem to work well for everyone involved.

So, for your 26K post, please break it down into 2 parts.

Thanks,

Kathy

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well... to stick my nose into a conversation and bore you all with personal
information...

i happened to go to a GOOD public high school in california, but i agree
that the school system pretty much sucks here. for a state with something
like the seventh (ninth? i don't remember) best economy in the world, it's
pathetic. i read a bumper sticker the other day that said something like "i
can't wait to see the day when schools will have everything that they need
and the armed forces need to hold a BAKE SALE to buy another bomber." (:

i was taught grammar in elementary school pretty painlessly (the teachers
gave us grammatically incorrect sentences, and we corrected as many mistakes
as we could find) but most of it was self-taught. neither of my parents
spoke what you would call perfect english, so i just picked up what i know
from books that i read (i was a voracious reader, and still am!). now,
*IN*correct grammar sounds very odd to my "ears" unless it is a common
colloquialism. but since i'm not an editor, i get over it. as long as the
grammar doesn't truly get in the way of understanding a story or sound
completely out of character, i won't complain.

-anige (:

ps. high school was hard! most of the people at my school worked hard to
graduate too, kathy.

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Can anyone recommend a site that offers LnC scripts? I'm looking for one in
vain.

Please e-mail me *privately*, so it wouldn't bother the rest of the list.

Thank you,
Yael.

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If grammar errors were made on the show or in fanfic stories, IMHO it makes
the characters more better.
Everyone slips now and again.

Well, since I 'kinda' understand all this, I am going now to 'hope' my
husband 'warsh' his truck.:)

Brenda, having fun with Tennessee talk
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In a message dated 10/9/99 2:33:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
maggie13@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:

<< 8. With all due respect Pam, you've been
 posting fanfic on a fairly regular basis since I've known
 you, and NOW, *now* you think would be a bad time?!?!
 9.  ;o) >>

Now Maggie,

I think even a Pamaddict has to agree, given Pam's recent admission that her
children have decided to quit napping at the same time, that Pam may be
experiencing one of those spells in the life of all mothers of small
children
where one has to decide, "Do I eat or take a shower today?".  Pam, of
course,
has the added choice of, "do I write and post."
(There not being enough free time in the day to do both.) And who knows,
maybe she has been visited by the curse of teething.  <g>

Please give the fanfic goddess a break.

Ann
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I have already asked to to added to the list, but I forget to tell you that
I have never had a problem with
attachments.

Brenda
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Please add me to the list of reading room stories
I can take attachments. (.doc .txt .zip)
thanks!!!!!!

Just a kiss at all!
Chiara
-----Messaggio originale-----
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Data: venerdì 8 ottobre 1999 15.50
Oggetto: Mass mailing of reading room stories

>I'm taking names for a mass mailing of all I have in stories from the
reading
>room. Send me a request, If you can take file attachments. I intend to send
>them out maybe on Sunday.
>
>I'm assuming that the authors intended these to be read, and won't mind if
>they are passed along. I won't post them to the list as I don't know if
they
>mind if they are archived. If anyone knows different, let me know.
>
>budmayes
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Hi Ann! Folcies!

> Now Maggie,
>
> I think even a Pamaddict

Pamaddict!?! :o) I just *love* the coining of Pam-terminology!

has to agree, given Pam's recent admission that her
> children have decided to quit napping at the same time, that Pam may be
> experiencing one of those spells in the life of all mothers of small
children
> where one has to decide, "Do I eat or take a shower today?".  Pam, of
course,
> has the added choice of, "do I write and post."
> (There not being enough free time in the day to do both.) And who knows,
> maybe she has been visited by the curse of teething.  <g>

You mean, she has a real life? with duties and responsibilities
and bathrooms and naps (or non-naps as the case may be)??
Oh, so uhm, I guess her sole purpose in life wouldn't be
facilitating my fanfic addiction, eh?
Bummer.  ;o)

>
> Please give the fanfic goddess a break.
>
> Ann

Wise words of a calm soul, Ann.

Pam, why don't you take a break?
right after you post section 11, oh!
I'm pushing it aren't I? Okay,  yes, aha.
just have a break, a plain non
fanfic moment of silent meditation.
Aha.  There.

Maggie
inhaling deeply
& signing up for Suspense Management Classes <g>

p.s. just to make sure...in my previous post
I was joking. Pam, having experienced
my Groupiehood repeatedly is used to it
I think. Anyway it's just my way of showing
appreciation for her work. :o)
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Kathy wrote:
>
>Lab, I'm not sure what the list's maximum is for accepting a post,
>*however*, AOL converts everything over about 22K into an attachment, which
>is very inconvenient for those subscribers.
>
>The list maintains a guideline that posters limit their individual posts to
>20-22K.  For S6, we'd shoot for around 20K per part. Story parts of this
>size seem to work well for everyone involved.
>
That's pretty much as I suspected, Kathy. Thanks for the confirmation!

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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L. Mencken
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Hi Maggie,

Since you seemed destined to be momentarily thwarted in your quest to get
Pam
to post another installment, (me, I'm refraining from reading the interim
parts until she gets to the end, sparing myself unneeded suspense) perhaps
you could get on Tank Wilson's case to get on with Dark Revelation.  If you
aren't reading it over on Zoomway's message boards, you should be. It's also
terrific, but he hasn't posted in 2 days.<g>

<<  p.s. just to make sure...in my previous post
I was joking. Pam, having experienced
my Groupiehood repeatedly is used to it
I think. Anyway it's just my way of showing
appreciation for her work. :o) >>

I know .... I just have a tender spot for moms of toddlers and infants.
Been
there, done that.  Now mine are both teenagers--- boy, does Pam have a lot
to
look backward on.  <beg>  Think I could get them to take naps?

Ann
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From:         Jenny Stosser <jenerator@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
Subject:      Re: English errors -- Entertaining site
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At 06:50 AM 08/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
>At 08:56 PM 10/06/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>>... For right or wrong, this *is* how people talk some of the time, and
>>if the author is trying to capture authentic sounding conversation, I
would
>>not dispute that.
>>
>>For example, I think we've discussed before Clark's way of speaking ... he
>>uses "gonna" regularly.  If someone were editing my story and insisted
that
>>I need to change my sentence because "going to" is the grammatically
>>correct way to spell it, I'd get myself another editor. <g>
>
>Perhaps Clark could use "gonna" and Superman can use "going to" :)
>
>>To give a recent example from my own writing, I am not very consistent at
>>using "lay" and "lie" correctly, as Wendy can attest.  She's been keeping
>>me honest on this ... "Clark laid on the bed" is wrong
>
>Unless it's in that story "Chicken or the Egg?"
>
>> "Clark lay on the bed" is right
>
>No, I think it's "lay *over* the bed" in this case.
>
>Debby
>Debby@swcp.com

Hey! That's taking my story in vain! <G>
What about Clark laid Lois on the bed... and in the kitchen, and in the
bathroom, and... sorry, I forgot this isn't the nfic list <G>
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Update-

Superman brought Harry Dow in and she is in custody.  An APB is out on
Underhill, and we're looking for Harry Pollock for questioning.  Do you know
where he is?  I should have asked Superman to look for him.

So far, Dow is being uncooperative about answering questions.  The DA may be
negotiating a deal for a reduced charge in return for incriminating
information on the "boss."  Time in jail has a way of encouraging people to
talk.

Thanks for all your cooperation.     Henderson
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Well, Brenda, yore letter giv me a stitch, I laughed so hard.  It don't seem
to matter if yer a Arkie or a Tennessee plowhorse, we all talk the same.
That year I spent in grad school at Peabody/Vanderbilt never changed me
none.  Jude
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Subject: Re: Writing grammatical dialogue

> If grammar errors were made on the show or in fanfic stories, IMHO it
makes the characters more better.
> Everyone slips now and again.
>
> Well, since I 'kinda' understand all this, I am going now to 'hope' my
husband 'warsh' his truck.:)
>
>
> Brenda, having fun with Tennessee talk
>
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Ok, I've worked out the madness for my method, now --or would that be my
method for my madness?  Whatever.  Anyways, I'm going to post The Black
Circle to the boards, then, after editing and such I'll post it here.  Any
objections?  I didn't think so :-)
Like always, let me know what you think, ok?

The Black Circle part 2
=93Find anything new, Sara?=94

Maggie didn=92t look up from her examination of the crime scene at Clark Ke=
nts
greeting.  =93Not yet, Mr. Kent.  I=92m still hoping, though.=94

It was the same layout as the previous two times=97an alley with a dead bod=
y
dumped in it. As before, it was obvious the man had been dead long before
being deposited here.  The strange symbols on the chest, which nobody could
identify, were the same, as well.  Now that the body had been removed,
Maggie was carefully inspecting the crime scene.

=93Do you need any help?=94 Clark asked her in a low voice.  =93I could con=
tact
Superman . . .=94

=93That=92s ok, Mr. Kent.  I think I can handle this one without the S-mans
help.=94  She gave him a slightly resentful look.  He and Superman, both, h=
ad
been against her helping the police with this case.  Both of them had told
her that this was too dangerous and that, since she could be hurt and
Superman couldn=92t, that she should let him handle it.  Of course, they ha=
d
protested it when she put on the black outfit and started helping out as
Sara, as well.  =93Besides, he=92s probably busy right now, anyway.=94

The Inspector in charge of the murders came up beside the two.  She was
covering for Henderson during his vacation.

=93Hello, Inspector . . .=94 Clark=92s voice trailed off.

=93Kathy Parent.  I=92m the officer in charge of this investigation.  Who a=
re
you?  No press was to be allowed in!=94
=93Inspector,=94 Maggie interrupted smoothly.  =93Clark Kent is with the Da=
ily
Planet.  He and his partner Lois Lane have been helping me and Superman in
this investigation.=94

Parent snorted.  =93You two haven=92t been much help as it is.=94

Maggie bristled at the detective=92s tone.  =93Your cops haven=92t been abl=
e to
find anything, either!  Why don=92t you get them away from their donuts and
maybe they can do their job, instead of leaving it to me and Superman!=94

Clark grabbed Maggie=92s arm.  =93We=92ll be right back, Detective.=94

He pulled Maggie away from Parent.  =93You need to calm down, Sara!=94 he t=
old
quietly.  =93Getting rude with the charming inspector there isn=92t going t=
o
help anything.=94

Maggie glanced over his shoulder at Parent.  She was walking back over to
her car, apparently ignoring them.  =93I know, Clark.  I=92m sorry.  She ju=
st so
irritating!  I swear, its like she=92s deliberately going out of her way to
annoy me!=94

=93Is everything all right?  I see the evil witch of the west decided to
return to her lair again,=94 Lois said, coming up behind Maggie.

=93No problems here,=94 Clark told her.  =93Did they find anything new?=94

Lois had been down at the coroners getting the autopsy report.  =93No.  Jus=
t
like the other two.=94

Maggie made a disgusted noise as she turned back to scrutinize the scene
once more.  A gleam of black caught her eye and she focussed in on it.  It
was a small ring.  It sported a black circle and a rune, also black.

=93What=92s that?=94 she muttered.  Lois and Clark moved over beside her.

=93Have you found something?=94 Lois asked.

=93A ring.  It could be evidence.=94  Maggie turned her head.  =93Inspector
Parent!  I=92ve found something!=94

The Inspector hurried back over to Maggie.  She gave Lois and Clark a
suspicious look.  =93Well?  What have you found?=94

Maggie pointed.  =93A ring.  Right there.  I recognize the rune on it . . .=
=94

Parent interrupted her.  =93We=92ll take it from here, Sara.  Why don=92t y=
ou run
along and rescue a cat from a tree or something.=94

=93What?=94  Maggie couldn=92t believe her ears.  She=92d just found someth=
ing that
could be major evidence, and the Inspector was just brushing her off!

=93Run along, now.=94 Parent motioned for one of her men to come over.

Maggie gaped at her, stunned.  Behind her, Lois and Clark exchanged a
glance.  Maggie turned to the two.

=93Can you believe her?=94 she asked them.  =93Sometimes I wonder why I=92m=
 still
working with her!=94

=93It=92s too bad Henderson=92s on vacation,=94 Lois said.  =93Still, I gue=
ss he
deserves time off with his wife.=94  She shrugged.

=93Hmmph.  Where=92s that FBI agent.  Maybe she=92ll listen.=94  Maggie sca=
nned the
crowd of police, looking for the only one in a business outfit.  =93That=92=
s
odd.  She=92s not here.  I wonder why.=94

Special Agent Joy Sowell had shown up just after the second murder.  She wa=
s
investigating a string of strange occurances that seemed to be following a
religious group known as the Black Circle.  Joy hadn=92t wanted to share mu=
ch
information with Lois and Clark, but what she had shared was just plain
weird.  People appearing from nowhere, then vanishing.  Agents investigatin=
g
them appearing halfway across town with no memory of how they got there.=20
Other things she wouldn=92t tell them because it was just too unbelievable.

=93Maybe the Inspector =91forgot=92 to inform Agent Sowell about this lates=
t
murder,=94 Maggie grumbled.  =93Lois, do you have your cell phone on you?=
=94

Tank Wilson peeked through the windows of his grungy apartment.  Nothing.=
=20
Apparently they had decided he wasn=92t worth chasing after while they had
bigger plans on the table.  Still, he=92d better hurry.  They could send
someone anytime.

He pulled out his key and unlocked the door, opened it quickly and slipped
inside, closing it firmly behind him and locking it.

=93Well, that was theatrical,=94 a familiar voice said from behind him.

Tank spun to find Cindy standing at the entrance to the hallway.

=93How did you get in here?=94 he asked her suspiciously.  Cindy was a new
member of the Black Circle.  He had met her just a week ago at the regular
meeting.  She hadn=92t struck him as a particularly intelligent woman, thou=
gh.
Certainly not smart enough to break into his apartment like this.

She shrugged casually.  =93The door was open.=94

=93No, it wasn=92t.  Who sent you?=94

=93Nobody sent me.  I needed to know if it was true.=94

=93What?=94

=93Jenny claims you=92re leaving the Circle.=94

=93Jenny claims a lot of things.  She once told me she used to work at STAR
Labs and that Dr. Klines labrat spoke to her. =93

=93Well, this time I think she=92s right.=94  Cindy leaned casually against=
 the
wall, putting both hands in her jacket pockets.  =93Why else would you be
sneaking into your own apartment?=94

=93Maybe I=92ve got an irritating neighbor.=94  He started to edge closer t=
o his
kitchen.  He had a gun hidden in the breadbox.  If he could get to that . .
.

=93Are you leaving the Circle?=94 she leaned forward, face intent.  =93I ne=
ed to
know.=94

Tank dove for the kitchen.

She was on him in an instant, tackling him.  He twisted around under her an=
d
they rolled across the kitchen floor, coming up against the wall with a
thump.  He scrabbled frantically for the knife in his pocket, but she caugh=
t
his hand and squeezed, unerringly hitting the nerve, and the knife fell fro=
m
his hand.  She knocked it away and punched him, knocking his head back into
the floor.  As he shook his head, dazed, she twisted his arm, flipping him
over onto his face and putting him into an arm lock.  He twisted and yelped
as she held his arms tight.

=93Hold still, dammit!=94 she hissed into his ear. =93I=92m not here for th=
e Circle!
I=92m a FBI agent, you idiot!  I can help you!=94

"Whoever said the human race was logical?"  Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: T=
he Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?"=20

"Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape"=20
--crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" =20
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This is why I don't read stories in installments, the waiting is killing me.
And drat you Pam for writing such a good story that I can't not read the
next part <grr>

jem
(waiting impatiently but resignedly :)

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Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 10:55 PM
Subject: Just Like That...? part 2

> since today is tomorrow... ;)
>
> *****
> --two weeks later--
>
> A frantic knocking on his door drew Clark Kent out a deep and troubled
> sleep.  He hadn't slept well for weeks, in fact, ever since he'd found
> his fiancee's body in that underground lair that Lex had been using.
> Whenever he closed his eyes, he saw Lois' lifeless body, lying on the
> cold ground, next to Lex.  No one had been able to determine the cause
> of death, but that medical curiosity had hardly interested Clark, sunk
> so deeply in his grief.
>
> As he stumbled towards the door, straining to wake up, he checked the
> clock -- it was three in the morning.  What could anyone want with him
> at this hour?  Superman had been patrolling for days on end, until
> finally even he had been forced to rest -- and now whoever this was had
> disturbed that.  He squinted towards the door before donning his
> glasses; his visitor was a woman he'd never seen before, and she looked
> agitated.
>
> He opened the door, irritated but trying to control it.  "Yes, how can I
> help you?"
>
> She didn't answer at first, but instead flung herself against him, half
> hugging him, half pushing him back.  After a brief moment, she released
> him, and turned wide, frightened eyes up at him.  "God, Clark, close the
> door, I don't know how close they are behind me."
>
> Clearly she had lost her wits, whoever she was, but his mother's
> training stood fast.  He closed the door, and turned back to her.
> "Would you care to... sit down?"  The question trailed away as he saw
> that she'd already made a beeline for his refrigerator.
>
> "I have just been dying for a cream soda," she announced, dragging out
> the one remaining can of the beverage.  "Although that's a bad choice of
> words.  Anyway, champagne is more in Lex's style."  She carried the can
> over to his sofa and curled herself into a corner, proceeding to pop the
> can open and take a long swig.
>
> Clark sat in a chair opposite her, watching her drink.  She was blond,
> with blue eyes and shoulder-length hair.  He was quite certain he'd
> never seen her before, but somehow she still seemed familiar.  She was
> looking a little ragged, too, he gauged -- a bit undernourished and
> overstressed.  She was still shivering a bit from the chilly night air.
>
> She sighed, half the drink gone, and glanced over at him.  "I am so glad
> I caught you in tonight.  I was afraid you'd be out, you know, and
> obviously I don't have my key anymore."
>
> She sketched a gesture in the air, and it took him a second to realize
> that it was the same motion he and Lois had used to reference his
> flying.  He ignored that sally, uncertain how to deal with it.  "Uh,
> miss, I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, but..."
>
> She laughed, a little hysterical, then took a deep breath.  "That's one
> of the things I love about you, Clark.  You're so polite, even when you
> think a person's absolutely nuts."
>
> He frowned at her mention of love.  "Who *are* you?"
>
> "Right, time to tell the story.  Clark, you're not going to believe
> this."  She looked him straight in the eye, setting down the can.  "I'm
> Lois Lane.  Lex kidnapped me right before the wedding, and I don't know
> what all happened to you, but obviously a lot has happened to me."
>
> His stomach felt cold.  "You are not Lois Lane."
>
> She seemed prepared for his instinctive denial.  "Not physically, no.
> But mentally, I am.  Lex has a servant, back from when he was
> respectable - you know, when I was dating him, before you and Perry
> busted up the wedding - and boy, do I have bad luck with weddings, it's
> obviously going to take a miracle if I'm ever going to get married...
> um" she stopped herself, took another deep breath, and tried to get back
> on track.  "Anyway, he has this servant, a guy named Asabi.  He's some
> kind of Far East mystic, and he had some way to do a soul transfer, or
> at least that's what they called it.  While I still thought I was Wanda,
> he transferred Lex and me to these new bodies -- clones -- that they'd
> -- we'd -- stolen from S.T.A.R. labs.  Remind me to apologize to Dr.
> Klein for shooting him -- at least I think I shot him, my memory of that
> time is fuzzy."
>
> Clark sat back, dazed by this improbable tale.  "No, that can't be
> true...  You must be a plant, an agent of Luthor's -- even after his
> death he wants to torture me.  Why are you doing this to me?"
>
> She shook her head gently.  "Lex isn't dead, and neither am I.  Changed,
> yes, but not *dead*.  C'mon, Clark, we've thought Lex was dead before,
> and we were wrong.  You thought *I* was dead, not too long ago, and you
> were wrong then, too..."
>
> He glared at her suspiciously.  "What do you mean?"
>
> She sighed wearily, the nervous energy that had been driving her
> beginning to dissipate, and resettled herself on the sofa.  "Tim and
> Amber Lake, Clark.  They set it up so that everyone thought Bad Brain
> had killed me, but instead, they put me in a cage, and used me to trap
> you."
>
> "The Lakes used you to trap Superman," he corrected her.  She could have
> read that much in the newspaper.
>
> "Yes, and you are Superman.  Not that you ever told me that, but I
> figured it out.  And hey, that was another time I was presumed dead;
> back when you froze me to fool Jason Mazik.  God, it's always something
> with us, isn't it?"  Her eyes drooped shut.
>
> He still wasn't -- couldn't be -- convinced.  Possibly it was some
> perverse scheme of Luthor's making -- the man had intended for him to
> believe that his wife had died soon after the wedding, after all, when
> the clone of Lois had ... expired.  Or maybe this woman was just
> delusional, and had convinced herself of this absurd story.  But
> whatever else she was, she was also utterly exhausted, in a way that
> couldn't be faked.  And he needed rest, himself.  She seemed to have
> fallen asleep right there on the couch; maybe she could stay there the
> rest of the night.  He stood, intending to tip-toe his way back to the
> bedroom.
>
> That slight movement startled her awake.  "Clark?"  It was the
> plaintive, scared wail of a child, an instinctive appeal for
> reassurance.
>
> He turned back to her, holding out a soothing hand, feeling a certain
> tenderness towards her in spite of himself.  "It's all right.  Get some
> sleep, okay?  I won't let anything happen to you."
>
> She relaxed fractionally at that guarantee.  "Thanks, Clark ... we can
> talk more in the morning, right?  What day is it, anyway, do you have to
> go to work tomorrow?"  At his head shake, she smiled tentatively.  "Good
> night then ... I love you...."
>
> He flinched from that declaration, and her smile disappeared, leaving
> them frozen awkwardly in place until he finally turned and walked to the
> bedroom.
>
> ***
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Pam Jernigan            |  jernigan@bellsouth.net
> ChiefPam on IRC         |
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Well, it just so happens that I am a former girlscout."
> "Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
> --Lois & Clark, "Ordinary People"
> -------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Point to ponder:  In the US in 1994,
> there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
> but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
> --Reason Magazine, Nov 99, pp46-47.
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Psst! Jem, did you know that Pam has actually posted 10 parts to Just Like
That over on Zoom's boards? The URL is
http://www.zoomway.com/boards/Ultimate.cgi and then go to the Fanfic board.
Go to the bottom of that page and explore the various pages listed there -
Part ten is on the second page, for example. Good luck :)

Melisma

/who ducks back under her rock in case the Great Chief is angered that her
little secret is out...

At 12:29 PM 10/10/99 +1000, you wrote:
>This is why I don't read stories in installments, the waiting is killing
me.
>And drat you Pam for writing such a good story that I can't not read the
>next part <grr>
>
>jem
>(waiting impatiently but resignedly :)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Pam Jernigan <jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET>
>To: <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 10:55 PM
>Subject: Just Like That...? part 2
>
>
>> since today is tomorrow... ;)
>>
>> *****
>> --two weeks later--
>>
>> A frantic knocking on his door drew Clark Kent out a deep and troubled
>> sleep.  He hadn't slept well for weeks, in fact, ever since he'd found
>> his fiancee's body in that underground lair that Lex had been using.
>> Whenever he closed his eyes, he saw Lois' lifeless body, lying on the
>> cold ground, next to Lex.  No one had been able to determine the cause
>> of death, but that medical curiosity had hardly interested Clark, sunk
>> so deeply in his grief.
>>
>> As he stumbled towards the door, straining to wake up, he checked the
>> clock -- it was three in the morning.  What could anyone want with him
>> at this hour?  Superman had been patrolling for days on end, until
>> finally even he had been forced to rest -- and now whoever this was had
>> disturbed that.  He squinted towards the door before donning his
>> glasses; his visitor was a woman he'd never seen before, and she looked
>> agitated.
>>
>> He opened the door, irritated but trying to control it.  "Yes, how can I
>> help you?"
>>
>> She didn't answer at first, but instead flung herself against him, half
>> hugging him, half pushing him back.  After a brief moment, she released
>> him, and turned wide, frightened eyes up at him.  "God, Clark, close the
>> door, I don't know how close they are behind me."
>>
>> Clearly she had lost her wits, whoever she was, but his mother's
>> training stood fast.  He closed the door, and turned back to her.
>> "Would you care to... sit down?"  The question trailed away as he saw
>> that she'd already made a beeline for his refrigerator.
>>
>> "I have just been dying for a cream soda," she announced, dragging out
>> the one remaining can of the beverage.  "Although that's a bad choice of
>> words.  Anyway, champagne is more in Lex's style."  She carried the can
>> over to his sofa and curled herself into a corner, proceeding to pop the
>> can open and take a long swig.
>>
>> Clark sat in a chair opposite her, watching her drink.  She was blond,
>> with blue eyes and shoulder-length hair.  He was quite certain he'd
>> never seen her before, but somehow she still seemed familiar.  She was
>> looking a little ragged, too, he gauged -- a bit undernourished and
>> overstressed.  She was still shivering a bit from the chilly night air.
>>
>> She sighed, half the drink gone, and glanced over at him.  "I am so glad
>> I caught you in tonight.  I was afraid you'd be out, you know, and
>> obviously I don't have my key anymore."
>>
>> She sketched a gesture in the air, and it took him a second to realize
>> that it was the same motion he and Lois had used to reference his
>> flying.  He ignored that sally, uncertain how to deal with it.  "Uh,
>> miss, I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, but..."
>>
>> She laughed, a little hysterical, then took a deep breath.  "That's one
>> of the things I love about you, Clark.  You're so polite, even when you
>> think a person's absolutely nuts."
>>
>> He frowned at her mention of love.  "Who *are* you?"
>>
>> "Right, time to tell the story.  Clark, you're not going to believe
>> this."  She looked him straight in the eye, setting down the can.  "I'm
>> Lois Lane.  Lex kidnapped me right before the wedding, and I don't know
>> what all happened to you, but obviously a lot has happened to me."
>>
>> His stomach felt cold.  "You are not Lois Lane."
>>
>> She seemed prepared for his instinctive denial.  "Not physically, no.
>> But mentally, I am.  Lex has a servant, back from when he was
>> respectable - you know, when I was dating him, before you and Perry
>> busted up the wedding - and boy, do I have bad luck with weddings, it's
>> obviously going to take a miracle if I'm ever going to get married...
>> um" she stopped herself, took another deep breath, and tried to get back
>> on track.  "Anyway, he has this servant, a guy named Asabi.  He's some
>> kind of Far East mystic, and he had some way to do a soul transfer, or
>> at least that's what they called it.  While I still thought I was Wanda,
>> he transferred Lex and me to these new bodies -- clones -- that they'd
>> -- we'd -- stolen from S.T.A.R. labs.  Remind me to apologize to Dr.
>> Klein for shooting him -- at least I think I shot him, my memory of that
>> time is fuzzy."
>>
>> Clark sat back, dazed by this improbable tale.  "No, that can't be
>> true...  You must be a plant, an agent of Luthor's -- even after his
>> death he wants to torture me.  Why are you doing this to me?"
>>
>> She shook her head gently.  "Lex isn't dead, and neither am I.  Changed,
>> yes, but not *dead*.  C'mon, Clark, we've thought Lex was dead before,
>> and we were wrong.  You thought *I* was dead, not too long ago, and you
>> were wrong then, too..."
>>
>> He glared at her suspiciously.  "What do you mean?"
>>
>> She sighed wearily, the nervous energy that had been driving her
>> beginning to dissipate, and resettled herself on the sofa.  "Tim and
>> Amber Lake, Clark.  They set it up so that everyone thought Bad Brain
>> had killed me, but instead, they put me in a cage, and used me to trap
>> you."
>>
>> "The Lakes used you to trap Superman," he corrected her.  She could have
>> read that much in the newspaper.
>>
>> "Yes, and you are Superman.  Not that you ever told me that, but I
>> figured it out.  And hey, that was another time I was presumed dead;
>> back when you froze me to fool Jason Mazik.  God, it's always something
>> with us, isn't it?"  Her eyes drooped shut.
>>
>> He still wasn't -- couldn't be -- convinced.  Possibly it was some
>> perverse scheme of Luthor's making -- the man had intended for him to
>> believe that his wife had died soon after the wedding, after all, when
>> the clone of Lois had ... expired.  Or maybe this woman was just
>> delusional, and had convinced herself of this absurd story.  But
>> whatever else she was, she was also utterly exhausted, in a way that
>> couldn't be faked.  And he needed rest, himself.  She seemed to have
>> fallen asleep right there on the couch; maybe she could stay there the
>> rest of the night.  He stood, intending to tip-toe his way back to the
>> bedroom.
>>
>> That slight movement startled her awake.  "Clark?"  It was the
>> plaintive, scared wail of a child, an instinctive appeal for
>> reassurance.
>>
>> He turned back to her, holding out a soothing hand, feeling a certain
>> tenderness towards her in spite of himself.  "It's all right.  Get some
>> sleep, okay?  I won't let anything happen to you."
>>
>> She relaxed fractionally at that guarantee.  "Thanks, Clark ... we can
>> talk more in the morning, right?  What day is it, anyway, do you have to
>> go to work tomorrow?"  At his head shake, she smiled tentatively.  "Good
>> night then ... I love you...."
>>
>> He flinched from that declaration, and her smile disappeared, leaving
>> them frozen awkwardly in place until he finally turned and walked to the
>> bedroom.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> --
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Pam Jernigan            |  jernigan@bellsouth.net
>> ChiefPam on IRC         |
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> "Well, it just so happens that I am a former girlscout."
>> "Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
>> --Lois & Clark, "Ordinary People"
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Point to ponder:  In the US in 1994,
>> there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
>> but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
>> --Reason Magazine, Nov 99, pp46-47.
>
>
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LOL, you guys ... Pamaddicts?  I hear there's a twelve step program for
that...

Ann, thanks for coming to my defense, I appreciate it... but Maggie's
right, I'm used to her groupie-ness <g>

And I have been making people wait for a new installment -- I've been
having trouble with the story.  But I think I've got it worked out now,
in my head at least ;)  I'm going to rewrite it to break it up into two
parts -- a story and a sequel.  I'll be posting the rewritten version
here -- part one is titled "Just Like That...?" (although I'm open to a
new title) and part two is titled "Being Lois Lane"

I think I've discovered another drawback to the "post as you go" method
of fanfic writing ... if you need to make major revisions when you're
three-quarters of the way through, you risk totally confusing all your
readers!  But I trust y'all will be smart enough to figure it out...

I'm continuing the story on the fanfic boards (part 11 just went up) and
I will post the re-written version here.  Clear as mud? :)  And
eventually, it will be up on my website, then on the archive, then
nominated for a Kerth, then ... oops, getting ahead of myself there <g>
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"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
--Lois & Clark, "Ordinary People"
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In case anyone's still reading this here :) and since it's after
midnight, and therefore, technically tomorrow...

*** [[Part 3]]

Lois Lane watched the love of her life leave the room and mourned
silently for all she'd lost.  Was there even a chance of regaining some
portions of her former life?  Her job, her family, her fish ... she
could survive without any of them, but without Clark she would be
utterly lost, and she knew it.

The past few weeks had been nightmarish, from the moment in Rome when
she'd woken up and remembered, for the first time, that she was Lois,
not Wanda.  In love with Clark, not with Lex.  In the wrong city, with
the wrong man, on the wrong continent.  Escaping Lex had been difficult;
he had been complacent about his victory, but he was still a very
intelligent and observant man.  Luckily for her, he seemed to expect her
to be a little uncertain about things.

When her chance had come -- in Florence -- she'd taken it.  Armed only
with her new passport and several thousand dollars she'd stolen from
Lex's travel fund, she had made her way back towards Metropolis.
Uncertain of the extent of Lex's connections in Europe, she'd feared to
take direct routes, and yet she longed with every fiber of her new body
to be back home -- back in Clark's arms.

It had been a nerve-wracking progress.  Several times, she'd been aware
of the hunters behind her, and Lex himself had nearly caught up with her
in London, at Heathrow International Airport. The LexCorp employee
there, however, had seen no reason to believe that the young man in
front of him was *really* Lex Luthor, and had withheld his cooperation
pending proof of identity.  By the time that had been obtained, Lois had
been safely aboard one of the many departing planes -- but not one of
the several headed for Metropolis.

Things had gone somewhat easier back in the United States, where her
passport could no longer be tracked, but her funds had dwindled
perilously low before she'd made it to Clinton Street.  And yet her
struggle was only begun.  He didn't believe her.  She could hardly blame
him for that; she wouldn't have believed it herself, but part of her had
foolishly hoped that he would somehow instantly sense her presence.

***

The next day dawned brighter than it had any right to, Clark decided
irritably.  Not that the sunlight would have awakened him if he'd been
sleeping.  He hadn't been able to relax, not when the woman in the other
room claimed to be his fiancee.  It was ridiculous, of course.  Although
there was something about her.  Something about the look in her eyes....

Abruptly, he scowled.  He loved Lois, so he had no right to even think
about other women, no matter what nonsense she spouted.  He'd just have
to send this woman on her way as soon as possible.  She'd seemed scared
of someone.  That was probably a problem he could fix.

A muted clang from the direction of the kitchen startled him out of his
musing.  Still wearing the t-shirt and boxers he'd slept in, he swung
his legs out of bed and headed around the brick wall that set his
bedroom off from the rest of the apartment.

She was standing before the stove, frowning at the contents of his
largest metal pot.  Judging from the mess on the counter, she'd been up
and about for some time, and he was surprised that he hadn't realized
earlier that she was stirring.  Normally he was hypersensitive to the
presence of strangers in his home; he must have been more tired -- or
preoccupied -- than he'd thought.

When she saw him, she smiled nervously, unable to conceal the flash of
longing in her eyes.  "I was, uh, well, I thought I'd try to cook
breakfast.  Only I don't really know how to cook anything but oatmeal
... and I tried to be quiet about it, although I don't know why I
bothered, considering that you..." her voice trailed off as he advanced
toward the stove.  She backed off, giving him access to the pot.

He pulled out a spoonful of her oatmeal, and let it drip messily back
into the pot.  His lips twitched involuntarily.  "You never did know how
to cook oatmeal."

"I did so!" she replied, indignant, before latching on to his choice of
pronouns.  "You mean you believe that I'm Lois?"

His smile vanished.  "No, I don't.  I can't."

She reached out to touch his arm.  "Clark, you have to believe me.  I am
Lois Lane, your partner, your fiancee, your little tornado..."  She held
his gaze, searching for some shred of recognition or acceptance.  "After
all the things we've been through -- perfume that makes people fall in
love, Metallo (at least I'm completely organic!), ancient Druid powers,
*full body* transplants -- can you deny that what I've told you is
possible?"

"I don't know, okay?"  The words seemed wrung from him.  "All I know is
I *saw* her body.  There was no way it was a trick; as much as I wanted
to, there was nothing I could do to get her back."  He turned away from
her, pacing back toward the small balcony.

"Clark, you *can* get me back."  She followed him, standing at his
side.  "All you have to do is look me in the eyes, and let yourself
believe what you see...."

He shook his head blindly.  He didn't know what her game was, but he
refused to play it.  He'd been hurt too badly.  "I'm going out," he
announced, turning away from her once more.  He grabbed some clothing
from his dresser and was out the door almost at superspeed.

***

Lois watched him go, unable to gather enough energy to protest.  He
wasn't even giving her a chance.  What was she going to do?  She wearily
crossed to his sofa and huddled into one corner.  Okay, this was going
to take a while.  She could handle it.  She was one tough cookie.  She'd
been up against lots of challenges before, but she'd always survived,
somehow.  Even without Superman's help, she could survive this.  And the
first thing she'd need would be a place to stay, since her old apartment
was obviously out of the question, and it would be too painful to stay
with Clark, even if he'd let her.  She needed a job, though.  Even if
she could persuade Perry to hire her, she didn't dare go to the Planet;
it would be the second place Lex would look for her.  Which was another
reason she couldn't stay here.

***
to be continued... :)
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Since it's late Saturday night, I figured I'd better finish reading last
Sunday's paper. (out with the old, make way for the new)  In doing so, I
read James J. Kilpatrick's column, "The Writer's Art". Having enjoyed this
for years (and learned more than my ego would like to admit) I thought I
would pass the name along to everyone.  Last week he dealt with the
use/misuse of several words including myriad, continuously/continually and
think/believe.He doesn't; deal with creative writing much but the words are
all the same aren't they?.   I'm probably preaching to the already
converted but for those of you who haven't discovered him yet, I highly
recommend "The Writer's Art", a syndicated newspaper column by James J.
Kilpatrick.   Jude
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I've never heard of that column (at least not 'til now!).  Where can I find
it?

Tara

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Since it's late Saturday night, I figured I'd better finish reading last
Sunday's paper. (out with the old, make way for the new)  In doing so, I
read James J. Kilpatrick's column, "The Writer's Art". Having enjoyed this
for years (and learned more than my ego would like to admit) I thought I
would pass the name along to everyone.  Last week he dealt with the
use/misuse of several words including myriad, continuously/continually and
think/believe.He doesn't; deal with creative writing much but the words are
all the same aren't they?.   I'm probably preaching to the already
converted but for those of you who haven't discovered him yet, I highly
recommend "The Writer's Art", a syndicated newspaper column by James J.
Kilpatrick.   Jude

"Whoever said the human race was logical?"  Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV:
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At 09:19 PM 10/9/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Since it's late Saturday night, I figured I'd better finish reading last
>Sunday's paper. (out with the old, make way for the new)  In doing so, I
>read James J. Kilpatrick's column, "The Writer's Art". Having enjoyed this
>for years (and learned more than my ego would like to admit) I thought I
>would pass the name along to everyone.  Last week he dealt with the
>use/misuse of several words including myriad, continuously/continually and
>think/believe.He doesn't; deal with creative writing much but the words are
>all the same aren't they?.   I'm probably preaching to the already
>converted but for those of you who haven't discovered him yet, I highly
>recommend "The Writer's Art", a syndicated newspaper column by James J.
>Kilpatrick.   Jude

Sounds really useful, Jude - in what papers does his column appear? I may
just have to go to the library or check papers online, but I would like to
check him out if I can.

Melisma
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Sandy,

I wrote:

>> Just checked out the dictionaries online... "Plainclothesmen" is correct,
>> but while I could find an entry for "never mind," it didn't recognize
>> "nevermind" at all. Batting .500, Sandy. :)

And you replied:

>My off-line "Webster's New World Dictionary: Third College Edition" has
>no entry for "never mind." It does have one for "nevermind."  Same for
>"plainclothes man."  It lists it as two words.  I just look them up and
>report what it says.<g>

Since my only "off-line" dictionary is a paperback one from high school, I
had to go with the on-line one. :) But I do owe you for a typo above! Yes,
it's "plainclothes man," and it has been corrected as such. That's what I
meant by batting .500.

Again, thanks for the comments.

Hazel
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Ann wrote:

>Hi Hazel,
>
>I'm going to jump in and add my two cents worth to Sandy's comments.
First,
>I am in total agreement with her that it is a very good story.  Your
>characterizations are excellent.  I really felt as if I were watching an
>episode.

Thanks, Ann. You caught me just before I submitted to the archive, and it
was fun to see how much your conclusions agreed with mine. ;)

>Now on to more specific topics:

> >> Does Lois need an active role?

>I second Sandy.  Lois does not need to be in this if it is second season.
I
>like the idea of Clark being glad that Lois isn't there so he doesn't have
to
>make up yet another lame excuse for leaving.  Sandy is right that Lois
would
>insist on going and getting involved.

Check. Line included (well, half a line). :)

> >>> Should Clark phone home to Mom and Dad for advice?
> >
> >>About what?
>
> >Well, about this. He seems to do that a lot in the transcripts and fanfic
> >that I've read.
>
>It seems to me that Clark mostly calls his parents for general advice very
>early in the series, when he is still trying to figure out just what he
wants
>Superman to be ( and when he is being directly challenged by Lex and poor
old
>Clark doesn't have a clue what to do about anyone so evil).  After a while,
I
>think he mostly calls home for advice about what to do about his
relationship
>with Lois.  She seems to shake him up and rattle his self-confidence on a
>daily basis.  So again, I'm with Sandy on this.  He doesn't need to call
home.

Check. Left out.

> >>> "Kent?" rumbled a gravelly baritone.
> >
> >>Actually, I thought Henderson's voice seemed kind of twangy, (but I know
> >>you may not have heard it). Others may disagree.
>
>> Hmm. What do others say about this?  I made his voice
> >gravelly because of his personality. What kind of accent does he have? Is
> >he Southern, a New Yorker, a Mid-Westener? Help me out, FoLCs!
>
>I think Henderson was kind of twangy -- not really any particular regional
>accent-- definitely not Southern or New York.  Maybe Midwest -- Ohio for
>example.

His baritone is now "flat." Let's hope that covers all bases.

> >>> "C'mon in, take a seat. I want you to listen to a recording."
> >
> >>semicolon after c'mon in(?)
>
> >I personally have trouble using semicolons in dialogue unless someone is
> >giving a formal speech. Is there something *wrong* with the comma?
>
>Sandy is right on this one.  If you have a compound sentence (which you do
>here), you have to use a semicolon if you don't use a coordinate conjuntion
>(and, or, but or nor).  What you have at the moment is called a "comma
>splice" and is frowned upon greatly by English teachers.   Commas separate
>items in a series, set off appositives, and separate clauses which have
>conjunctions.  ("C'mon in, and take a seat," would be fine.)

Okay, point taken. Will fix. :)

>> Is it really considered impolite to refer to a
>> third party by his last name? People do say "Clinton" all the time, frex.
>> (Let's please not get into whether or not people care to be polite to
>> Clinton.) It's not important, though; he can always say "Clark Kent."
>
>I can't recall either Clark or Superman ever referring to people by only
>their last name.  I think it happens quite a bit in the media to save
space,
>time and the awkwardness inherent in the US  with people not knowing which
>women want to be Mrs. or Miss and which want to be Ms.

Well... I'm part of a society where, in a certain setting, it is literally
unheard of to call people by their first names. Kinda like the military or
the police force. :) And Henderson *is* a cop. But I tried it both ways
after Sandy's comment, and I agree that Clark should not call Henderson
"Henderson"; and once he's calling him "Inspector," saying "Kent" just
looks plain weird. So it's "Inspector" and "Clark Kent" now.

When you look at it sideways, though, calling people by their titles --
"Doctor," "Inspector," "Captain" -- is really rather rude. It's like
calling someone "Mr." or "Mrs." Actually, they do that all the time here is
Israel. :) And if you want to get the attention of a kid you don't know,
you yell the Hebrew equivalent of "Boy!" or "Girl!"  But at least, in those
cases, you don't know the person in question. Clark certainly knows
Henderson's name. So why is it polite to ignore someone's given name and
just call them by their title?

One comment of yours -- "I can't recall either Clark or Superman ever
referring to people by only their last name." -- intrigued me. Clark never
refers to the bad guys by their last names? Not even Lex? (Phil most
emphatically had him yelling, "LUUTHORRRR!" in his finale.) And I've read
Sarah Wood's transcripts -- literally word-for-word, gesture-for-gesture,
for those who haven't seem 'em yet -- and I vaguely recall LnC referring to
the reclusive billionaire in B&C&L&C by his last name. Don't recall it
offhand, though. :)

> >>> "It's Kryptonite."
> >
> >>I'm not sure kryptonite is capped.  Is it?  Are other rocks and
> >>minerals?
>
>> Good question. How about it, listees? Do you or don't you capitalize
>> Kryptonite? I vote yes, simply to give it more significance, but I'd like
>> to hear other opinions.
>
>Other rocks and minerals are not capitalized.  ( I have a diamond ring.)

True, and I don't pass the Salt shaker either, but Kryptonite is unique.
Since this seems to be more a matter of taste than scientific labeling (I
challenge anyone, even Phil!, to give a scientific, logical explanation for
Green, Red, and any other color Kryptonite), I'm going with the capital K.

Ann, thanks for your time-consuming and insightful comments. Donna, too,
who sent a last-minute comment. :) I was pleasantly surprised to see the
number of responses, particularly since the first two people to respond
were Pam and Wendy -- two people who had already commented on the initial
30-minute challenge on Zoom's boards. The encouragement you've all given me
and the assurance that I've managed to portray Clark correctly has given me
the impetus to test the waters further. So blame yourselves for anything
else I write in the future! :)

Regards,

Hazel
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>Update-
>
>Superman brought Harry Dow in and she is in custody.  An APB is out on
>Underhill, and we're looking for Harry Pollock for questioning.  Do you
know
>where he is?  I should have asked Superman to look for him.

Um? What did my poor Harry do? Last I looked, he was giving an interview to
Lois. Hey, check him out at the plant. You can usually find him there. He's
a cooperative guy; he'll answer any questions. :)

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Mr. Underhill:

I have here in my possession a note signed by you, dated last week. You
instructed me to rehire Harvey Ellison, Shawn MacDougal, and Jonathan
Rande, the three men that were dismissed from Ace Printing because of their
deliberate sabotage of the printing of the Daily Planet. Your note offers
no defense or explanation for their actions, but merely issues the order to
allow three people who have damaged this plant's reputation to return to
their former jobs.

I have tried repeatedly to contact you by phone, but to no avail. Sir,
until you explain your reasons to me personally, I will not allow Ellison,
MacDougal, and Rande to return to the plant. You may be the technical owner
and general manager of Ace Printing, but I have a responsibility for the
safety of all the AP workers, and I would rather voluntarily resign in
protest than put the other workers in danger.

If necessary, I will report these three men's names to Inspector Henderson
of the Metropolitan Police. Ellison, MacDougal, and Rande agreed to
dismissal without severance pay in return for our failure to prosecute. If
this continues, I will have no choice but to have them arrested for their
sabotage.

Harry Pollack
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It's syndicated in newspapers all over the USA.  In my area it's in the
Seattle Times.  It used to be in the New York Times but don;t know if it's
still there.  That's the best I can do for you.  Jude

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> I've never heard of that column (at least not 'til now!).  Where can I
find
> it?
>
> Tara
>
> ------Original Message------
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> To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> Sent: October 10, 1999 4:19:32 AM GMT
> Subject: Good reading for writers
>
>
> Since it's late Saturday night, I figured I'd better finish reading last
> Sunday's paper. (out with the old, make way for the new)  In doing so, I
> read James J. Kilpatrick's column, "The Writer's Art". Having enjoyed this
> for years (and learned more than my ego would like to admit) I thought I
> would pass the name along to everyone.  Last week he dealt with the
> use/misuse of several words including myriad, continuously/continually and
> think/believe.He doesn't; deal with creative writing much but the words
are
> all the same aren't they?.   I'm probably preaching to the already
> converted but for those of you who haven't discovered him yet, I highly
> recommend "The Writer's Art", a syndicated newspaper column by James J.
> Kilpatrick.   Jude
>
> "Whoever said the human race was logical?"  Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV:
The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?"
>
> "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape"
> --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark"
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Dear Lois and Clark,

I'm not quite sure where to begin explaining this to you... Well, alright,
the beginning, I suppose. I had a doctor's appointment at Metropolis
General Hospital early this morning, as I think I mentioned to you on the
phone last night - I just haven't been feeling, well, myself this past
week, and I managed to get in on a last minute cancellation. I totally
misjudged my time this morning, and ended up getting there quite a bit
early. Waiting rooms are SUCH a bore - all those old magazines I've already
read, bratty children raising a fuss... Well, I'm sure you know what I
mean. So after I checked in with the receptionist, I decided to take a
stroll around the wards. It's been so long since I worked in a hospital,
and I guess I rather miss it. It was nice to wander around. Until I
stumbled on the intensive care unit. There lying on the cot, hooked up to a
million monitors, was... you, Lois. Well, I thought it was you at first,
then I realized it was that Lara Wells person that looks like she could
have been your twin sister, although *I* would have been the first one to
know if she was, of course. She looked scared and lonely even though she
was unconscious, and I had a lot of time before my appointment, so I asked
one of the nurses if I could sit with her a while. Poor thing - she's never
seemed to have many friends here that I could tell. For example, where is
her mother now when she's needed? I thought, if that was *my* baby girl
there, I would be grateful if someone would stay with her in ICU, so why
shouldn't I? So I sat there holding Lara's hand, thinking about you and her
and me and you father and life, and listening to the quiet beeping of the
monitors and her shallow breathing, for about fifteen minutes, I'd guess.
Then suddenly one of the monitors started shrieking and a crash team
trundled in. I know when to make myself scarce, and I did, although I
didn't leave the room entirely - just found a corner where I wouldn't be in
the way. That team worked on her like the pros they are, but, honey, she
didn't make it... I'm so sorry... They asked me how to contact her family,
but I didn't know. I hope you do...

I don't know what else there is to say, except that I'm glad you two have
each other, and your friends and your family. If anything ever happened to
either of you, at least you would be able to call on someone for help and
not have to go through things alone... I'm sorry, I'm still in a kind of
melancholy mood today - which is why I'm writing you, not phoning you.
Guess I'd better go before it rubs off on either of you.

Talk to you soon,

Love, your mom

P.S. Oh! Almost forgot to tell you what the doctor said when I finally got
into her office... It seems that your child will be a few weeks older than
his or her youngest aunt or uncle <G>
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The list is archived. Won't post to the list without permission from the
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-----Original Message-----
From: Judith Williams <judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET>
Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: Good reading for writers

>It's syndicated in newspapers all over the USA.  In my area it's in the
>Seattle Times.  It used to be in the New York Times but don;t know if it's
>still there.  That's the best I can do for you.  Jude

Well, I did a search on the author's name and came up with an online
column that seems to fit the bill:
http://www.uexpress.com/ups/opinion/column/jk/

Check it out -- there are archives of previous columns as well.  :)

Peace
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>Well, I did a search on the author's name and came up with an online
>column that seems to fit the bill:
>http://www.uexpress.com/ups/opinion/column/jk/
>
>Check it out -- there are archives of previous columns as well.  :)
>
>Peace

And if I'd waited a minute before sending off the note, I could have
also told you that I searched on the title "The Writer's Art" and found
this:
http://www.hoosiertimes.com/stories/1998/11/29/column.981129_D6_JJP10132.sto
which also appears to fit the bill, although I don't find an archive at
this site to see his other articles.

Peace
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Hi,

I'm working on a fanfic and I have a couple of questions which I'm hoping
someone on the list will know and save me time. Lazy, I know. :)

- How long is a U.S. passport valid for before it has to be renewed?

- What was the name of that place Clark stayed when he first arrived in
Metropolis?  Was it the Apollo or is that fanfic lore?

Also, thanks to everyone for your interesting comments on grammar, the use
of
language in writing, and what it's use can reveal about L&C.  Very helpful.
You guys are impressive!

Carol
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> - How long is a U.S. passport valid for before it has to be renewed?

10 years

> - What was the name of that place Clark stayed when he first arrived in
> Metropolis?  Was it the Apollo or is that fanfic lore?

The Apollo Hotel, and a charming place it was...

Looking forward to seeing how you use that info ;)
--
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"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
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Point to ponder:  In the US in 1994,
there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
--Reason Magazine, Nov 99, pp46-47.
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Just wondering if anyone can help me with the name of a fic that I'm
looking for.  I thought I had most fics stored on my PC but I've
searched through them every way I can and can't find this one.

Basic story is that Zara & Ching return to Earth with Clark's 'body'.
They've drugged him so that the New Kryptonians think he's dead
and won't come looking for him again.  The Kents and Lois have to
nurse him back to health....

anyone?

Dom

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Dom wrote:

Just wondering if anyone can help me with the name of a fic that I'm
looking for.  I thought I had most fics stored on my PC but I've
searched through them every way I can and can't find this one.

Basic story is that Zara & Ching return to Earth with Clark's 'body'.
They've drugged him so that the New Kryptonians think he's dead
and won't come looking for him again.  The Kents and Lois have to
nurse him back to health....

~~~Sounds like The Way Home by Lori McElhaney (sp?), Dom.  Nice fic too.~~~

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk

PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!

"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
L. Mencken
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Hmm, for me it sounds like "A Hero's Journey" from Chris Mulder :-)
take care
Nicole

> Dom wrote:
> Basic story is that Zara & Ching return to Earth with Clark's 'body'.
> They've drugged him so that the New Kryptonians think he's dead
> and won't come looking for him again.  The Kents and Lois have to
> nurse him back to health....

--
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
NKWolke@eifel-net.net

"God, you really have a hard head," he heard her say and he watched her
beautiful mouth starting to smile hesitantly. "If I'm going to have a bump
and
start looking like Frankenstein's monster, you'll have to pay, Mister."
Clark wanted to tell her that she could never look like a monster. He wanted
to
tell her that she was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. He wanted
to
ask her out, to marry him and have his kids, but no sound came over his
lips.

"Heartache tonight", by the L&CFanfiction Team, coming soon (?) to an
archive
near you.
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Thanks to everyone who mailed me - it was indeed Chris's fic although
I did enjoy rereading Lori's too - just in case!

Next time I'll remember just to mail the list rather than waste time using
the 'Find' facility on Windows Explorer - much more efficient.

Dom

> Hmm, for me it sounds like "A Hero's Journey" from Chris Mulder :-)
> take care
> Nicole
>
>
> > Dom wrote:
> > Basic story is that Zara & Ching return to Earth with Clark's 'body'.
> > They've drugged him so that the New Kryptonians think he's dead
> > and won't come looking for him again.  The Kents and Lois have to
> > nurse him back to health....
>
> --
> AKA CKgroupie on IRC
> NKWolke@eifel-net.net
>
> "God, you really have a hard head," he heard her say and he watched her
> beautiful mouth starting to smile hesitantly. "If I'm going to have a bump
and
> start looking like Frankenstein's monster, you'll have to pay, Mister."
> Clark wanted to tell her that she could never look like a monster. He
wanted to
> tell her that she was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. He wanted
to
> ask her out, to marry him and have his kids, but no sound came over his
lips.
>
> "Heartache tonight", by the L&CFanfiction Team, coming soon (?) to an
archive
> near you.

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Melisma wrote:

> Talk to you soon,
>
> Love, your mom
>
> P.S. Oh! Almost forgot to tell you what the doctor said when I finally got
> into her office... It seems that your child will be a few weeks older than
> his or her youngest aunt or uncle <G>

What?...  I guess there's more than one super man in town.

--
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In a message dated 10/10/99 2:50:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes:

<< When you look at it sideways, though, calling people by their titles --
 "Doctor," "Inspector," "Captain" -- is really rather rude. It's like
 calling someone "Mr." or "Mrs." Actually, they do that all the time here is
 Israel. :) And if you want to get the attention of a kid you don't know,
 you yell the Hebrew equivalent of "Boy!" or "Girl!"  But at least, in those
 cases, you don't know the person in question. Clark certainly knows
 Henderson's name. So why is it polite to ignore someone's given name and
 just call them by their title? >>

This is probably a socio-linguistic thing.  In the US it is proper when
speaking to a person in a professional setting to use either the title for
certain people both with and without their last names attached.  So you can
say, "Doctor, here is Mrs. Johnson's chart," as well as, "Doctor Smith, here
is Mrs. Johnson's chart."  Police officers are frequently called Officer,
Inspector, Captain, Lieutenant, Sergeant, etc., although I am not sure that
I
have ever heard one called Detective without the name.  Priests are often
called Father, but Protestant ministers are generally called Reverend Smith
or Doctor Smith (if they have a doctorate).  Military titles which show rank
are also frequently used in direct address without the name.   Mr. and Mrs.
would never be used alone although Miss is.  Sir or Ma'am would be used if
one were addressing a stranger.

In French, you never address someone by their title and last name.  If you
are speaking to Monsieur LeClerc, you would call him "Monsieur."  You only
use his last name if you are talking about him to someone else.  Many titles
are used with "Monsieur le" in front, i.e. "Monsieur le Capitaine" or
"Monsieur le Docteur" when addressing these people.

It would definitely not be polite for Clark to call Inspector Henderson by
his first name, unless Henderson had indicated to Clark that he wanted him
to
do so.

>>One comment of yours -- "I can't recall either Clark or Superman ever
referring to people by only their last name." -- intrigued me. Clark never
refers to the bad guys by their last names? Not even Lex? <<

The more I think about it, the more I think you are right on this.  I think
he did at times, although maybe not often to people's faces.

>>So blame yourselves for anything else I write in the future! :)

I'll be happy to blame myself if it gets you to write more.  Go for it.

Ann
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In a message dated 10/10/99 9:17:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
peace9@SERVTECH.COM writes:

<< Well, I did a search on the author's name and came up with an online
 column that seems to fit the bill:
 http://www.uexpress.com/ups/opinion/column/jk/
  >>

Thanks,  Peace.  You just save a lot of us a lot of trouble.

Ann
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I do recall him referring to Luthor by his last name, even to his face.  I
don't
recall which episode(s) in which it occurred, however.

Nan

Ann E. McBride wrote:

> In a message dated 10/10/99 2:50:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL writes:
>
> << When you look at it sideways, though, calling people by their titles --
>  "Doctor," "Inspector," "Captain" -- is really rather rude. It's like
>  calling someone "Mr." or "Mrs." Actually, they do that all the time here
is
>  Israel. :) And if you want to get the attention of a kid you don't know,
>  you yell the Hebrew equivalent of "Boy!" or "Girl!"  But at least, in
those
>  cases, you don't know the person in question. Clark certainly knows
>  Henderson's name. So why is it polite to ignore someone's given name and
>  just call them by their title? >>
>
> This is probably a socio-linguistic thing.  In the US it is proper when
> speaking to a person in a professional setting to use either the title for
> certain people both with and without their last names attached.  So you
can
> say, "Doctor, here is Mrs. Johnson's chart," as well as, "Doctor Smith,
here
> is Mrs. Johnson's chart."  Police officers are frequently called Officer,
> Inspector, Captain, Lieutenant, Sergeant, etc., although I am not sure
that I
> have ever heard one called Detective without the name.  Priests are often
> called Father, but Protestant ministers are generally called Reverend
Smith
> or Doctor Smith (if they have a doctorate).  Military titles which show
rank
> are also frequently used in direct address without the name.   Mr. and
Mrs.
> would never be used alone although Miss is.  Sir or Ma'am would be used if
> one were addressing a stranger.
>
> In French, you never address someone by their title and last name.  If you
> are speaking to Monsieur LeClerc, you would call him "Monsieur."  You only
> use his last name if you are talking about him to someone else.  Many
titles
> are used with "Monsieur le" in front, i.e. "Monsieur le Capitaine" or
> "Monsieur le Docteur" when addressing these people.
>
> It would definitely not be polite for Clark to call Inspector Henderson by
> his first name, unless Henderson had indicated to Clark that he wanted him
to
> do so.
>
> >>One comment of yours -- "I can't recall either Clark or Superman ever
> referring to people by only their last name." -- intrigued me. Clark never
> refers to the bad guys by their last names? Not even Lex? <<
>
> The more I think about it, the more I think you are right on this.  I
think
> he did at times, although maybe not often to people's faces.
>
> >>So blame yourselves for anything else I write in the future! :)
>
> I'll be happy to blame myself if it gets you to write more.  Go for it.
>
> Ann
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In a message dated 10/10/99 9:32:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ccmalo@AOL.COM
writes:

<< How long is a U.S. passport valid for before it has to be renewed?

 - What was the name of that place Clark stayed when he first arrived in
 Metropolis?  Was it the Apollo or is that fanfic lore? >>

1. If you are under 18, a US passport is valid for 5 years.  If you are over
18, it is valid for 10 years.

2.  Clark stayed at the Apollo Hotel, which must have been an apartment
hotel, since Lois looked in his refigerator and cupboards.  It was high
class
-- remember the pay phone in his room?

Ann
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Hazel wrote:

> One comment of yours -- "I can't recall either Clark or Superman ever
> referring to people by only their last name." -- intrigued me. Clark never
> refers to the bad guys by their last names? Not even Lex? (Phil most
> emphatically had him yelling, "LUUTHORRRR!" in his finale.) And I've read
> Sarah Wood's transcripts -- literally word-for-word, gesture-for-gesture,
> for those who haven't seem 'em yet -- and I vaguely recall LnC referring
to
> the reclusive billionaire in B&C&L&C by his last name. Don't recall it
> offhand, though. :)

In his "official" capacity as Superman, Clark was always very polite.
However, as Clark, he could be and was less so at times.  Obviously, he
didn't really have to worry about besmirching the Superman ideal when in
his civies, although I don't think Clark was that calculating.  I just
believe he was trying to put on an official face as the Man of Steel --
both to maintain a distance and to give and gain respect.

Of course, he had *no* respect for Luthor, either in or out of the suit.
If this hadn't been a PG show, who knows? Clark might have called him a
lot worse.

--
Sandy -- And when I say in or out of the suit, I mean the Superman suit,
not Luthor in or out of *his* suit. The mind boggles.
smcdermin@erols.com
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I'm about ready to start mailing out the stories.

NOTICE TO ALL LATECOMERS who request the reading room stories after the
fact.
As I have to get back to real life for awhile, your request will be put on
hold until I have a number of requests to fill. You may be better served by
asking on the list for someone to forward them to you. Please do not send
mail for me to the list.

budmayes@aol.com
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The stories have been mailed as zip attachments zipped by AOL. However I
recieved error notices, so I'm not sure what didn't go through. Those who
did
not recieve the stories please let me know.

budmayes@aol.com
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i received groups 1 and 3 - no 2
merry
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Norman Mayes wrote:

> The stories have been mailed as zip attachments zipped by AOL. However I
> recieved error notices, so I'm not sure what didn't go through. Those who
did
> not recieve the stories please let me know.
>
> budmayes@aol.com
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In a message dated 10/10/1999 1:11:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, someone
responded that they only received several batches but not all:

<< Norman Mayes wrote:

 > The stories have been mailed as zip attachments zipped by AOL. However I
 > recieved error notices, so I'm not sure what didn't go through. Those who
did
 > not recieve the stories please let me know.
 >
 > budmayes@aol.com >>

ANd to echo "list aunt" Kathy, PLEASE respond directly and not on the list.
Norman's e-mail is right above. Thanks.
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Harry Pollack,

Any note dated last week is a complete forgery.  I have been out of town a
bit longer than that, which explains why you could not reach me by phone.
I most certainly did NOT authorize the rehire of those delinquents.  I would
never KNOWINGLY jeapordize human life in that way.  I have also transferred
my stocks in Ace Printing to trhe Superman Foundation.  I have also made
arrangements for 51%  (represnting my total share in Ace Printing stock) of
all profits from the company to fund the Jack and Kristy memorial
scholarships that Perry White and I discussed.  The money should be
sufficient to fund two full scholarships each year to Met U, for aspiring
journalists that intern at the Daily Planet.

Ron

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It's a quiet Sunday morning, giving me an opportunity to reflect on this
week's e-mail.
    I blew it when I referred to LabRat's Tale of Till.  Of. course it
should have  been "Till Tale".  The ensuing long and boring dictionary
reference was meant to be just that , a reference.  I never accept
dictionaries as "the last word" since they vary from edition to edition.
Anyway, I don't believe the last word's been written yet.  When it is, I
think the lights go out.  Dictionaries do give you good ammunition for
defending your position ad nauseam (note the avoidance of nauseating or
nauseous) in an argument,. Which brings to mind (who knows how that works)
that when I was teaching in a suburb of Chicago many years ago, I used to
ride the Aurora and Elgin train line into the city.  It was known
affectionately as the Roarin' Elgin or the Vomit Comet.  Colloquialisms are
wonderful additions to our language.

    Nobody jumped on me for using the oxymoron "trite cliché".  Tsk, Tsk.
But, aren't you nice.

Someone suggested determining Jonathon's and Martha's ages based on the
celebration of their 35th Wedding Anniversary in "Toy Story";  There's a
problem with that though.  Get out your pencils.  In  "The Ides of
Metropolis",  during the 2nd half of  Season 1, Clark tells Lois that his
parents have been married almost 30 years.  Then in "Stop the Presses",
Season 4, Martha says to Lois, "After almost 40 years of marriage, I can
spot a fight a mile away".  That doesn't compute by pencil or calculator.
When they ended up with their 35th anniversary at the end of Season 4, I
thought maybe the writers decided to split the difference.  Or maybe, given
their insouciance about  previously revealed exposition, they just picked a
number.

    Pam, I love your work, and I happily wait until it's finished  before I
begin reading. The perfect soufflé cannot be rushed.   Point of confusion,
however.  You said you were doing rewrites and would post them here.  Does
that mean that what you post from now on has already been re-written, that
there will be no re-write for Parts 1 and 2, or that those will be re-posted
later?   As I self-righteously practice Delayed Gratification, I remind
myself,  "Patience is a Virtue.  Virtue is Rewarded.."   Jude
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Ha, Ha.  Henderson just wants to question Harry, Hazel, just doing his job,
after all.

                    Sincerely,
                        LaurieD (who is just trying to keep a complicated
plot straight in her mind while having a busy week in real life****)
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Sorry for the Off Topic post (sort of), but I can't resist a little
bragging.  My 18 year old daughter, Vanya, finished the Crucible on
Thursday--she was one of the team leaders--and graduates from Boot Camp
on this coming Friday.  My baby girl is a genuine Marine.  Wow!

Nan
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> Pam, I love your work, and I happily wait until it's finished  before I=

> begin reading. The perfect souffl=E9 cannot be rushed.   Point of confu=
sion,
> however.  You said you were doing rewrites and would post them here.  D=
oes
> that mean that what you post from now on has already been re-written, t=
hat
> there will be no re-write for Parts 1 and 2, or that those will be re-p=
osted
> later?   =

Jude, sorry to be confusing (and thanks for the kind words!).

What I meant was ... I've posted my first draft, messy middle and all,
to Zoom's boards, where it's already been read by all those shady
characters that hang out there <g>  Since I just began posting here,
however, I'll be able to post the re-written version to this list (the
rewrites don't really start til part 7, so no, there won't be rewrites
for parts 1 and 2).  What you'll see here will be the latest (and
hopefully, improved) version.  =

I don't know what I'll do about getting the rewrite to the msg board
crowd... I may just point them all to my website when I've got it all up
there in final form.
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"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
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Is anyone on here familiar with the Myers-Brigg personality types?   On a
list I'm on for that, there's been discussion about pinpointing the
personality type of television show characters, and someone just happened to
bring up Lois and Clark.  (Okay, the someone was me, but you couldn't expect
me to resist that, could you?)  Anyway, I was very sure that Clark was an
NF, but another list member think that Clark's an INTJ.  I'm not having much
luck in making my point that Clark's an NF, so is there anyone familiar with
this to help me out?

By the way, I realize all that sounded like gobbledy-gook to who's not
familiar, so if you're curious, you can take a personality test for yourself
at , and then the best place to read personality descriptions, I think, is
at http://www.personalitypage.com  I've noticed a lot of the people on this
list seem to be NF's (incurable romantics, love the idea of soulmates, enjoy
reading, very good with words, like to join discussion groups for movies,
novels, and TV shows that touched them deeply) and NF's are usually more
fascinated by personality types than any other type of people.  Then we
could figure out out what in the world Lois's personality type is, because
nobody seems to know. :-)

Jessi
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On 10/10 Jessi wrote:

Is anyone on here familiar with the Myers-Brigg personality types?   On
a
list I'm on for that, there's been discussion about pinpointing the
personality type of television show characters, and someone just
happened to
bring up Lois and Clark.  (Okay, the someone was me, but you couldn't
expect
me to resist that, could you?)  Anyway, I was very sure that Clark was
an
NF, but another list member think that Clark's an INTJ.  I'm not having
much
luck in making my point that Clark's an NF, so is there anyone familiar
with
this to help me out?

**********************************

It's been a while since I dealt with these test (it used to be part of
my job) so I hauled out my Tieger book on Myers-Brigg personality types
and refreshed my memory. Clark is NOT an INTJ! They do have many traits
that we see in Clark (determination, need for personal competence
etc..)
 They are also known for being highly critical of others' ideas and
single minded (their way is right and no one else is!). That sound more
like Lois than Clark.
  I'd personally guess Clark as an INFP (Cool reserve on the outside,
deeply caring on the inside. They tend to undertake too much but
somehow get everything done.)

TerriAnn

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If this sort of thing bores you silly, delete now...  :)

> Then we
> could figure out out what in the world Lois's personality type is, because
> nobody seems to know. :-)

ESTJ

She's very outgoing, gets energy from being around people, so she's an E
(an Introver would never choose a career where you have to call and
visit people all the time)

She deals with "hard facts" as Perry would say -- she works on
discovering what has happened, not dreaming up new things that *could*
happen.  She is intuitive (smart) but in a Sensing sort of way.

She makes her decisions based on logic, not "mushy stuff" and that makes
her a T.

She doesn't hestitate to make a decision and stick to it, and that makes
her a J.

I'll leave Clark for the rest of you ;)
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For those of you who miss your Sunday fix... ;)

TITLE: LESSONS
PART: 1/1
AUTHOR: Pam Jernigan (jernigan@bellsouth.net)
RATING: PG
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SUMMARY: This is set in S6 continuity, some 20 years later, but is not
an official part of the series.

***

"Help!!"  Lois Lane Kent screamed as loudly as she dared, wincing as the
sound echoed through the large empty warehouse.  She scanned the area
for any sign of imminent rescue, paying close attention to a large open
window at one end of the building.  She saw nothing, however, and once
more, futilely, rattled the chains that bound her arms to those of the
chair.

A soft chuckle emanated from the shadows in the rear of the building.
"You won't be able to get them loose, you know," her captor stated,
amused by her efforts.  "And we're too far from other buildings for
anyone to hear you screaming.  In case you were wondering."

"I appreciate the advice," she replied haughtily, "but I've had far more
experience at this than you have, and I'm here to tell you, it's
important not to give up."

Dimly, she could see him tilting his head in acknowledgement of her
point.  "Ah, but Superman won't save you this time."  He began moving
restlessly, and emerged from the shadows, revealing the mild-mannered
exterior of Clark Kent.  Lois had learned, however, not to judge this
particular book by its cover.  "And no saving yourself, either," he
added as an afterthought.

"Not while you're looking, anyway," she agreed, smiling sweetly.  "But I
wouldn't put it past me."

"No, no," he riposted, sounding amused.  "You gotta follow the rules."

"Yeah, right, when have I ever followed rules?"

He leered at her briefly, prowling around the shadowed perimeter of the
room.  "Well, I guess that's why I had to resort to tying you up."

"A temporary inconvenience," she scoffed, although truthfully she wasn't
quite as nimble as she used to be, and if she didn't get out of this
soon, her legs might fall asleep.  She focused her attention on the
edges of the building, hoping to see some movement.  "But now would be a
good time to tell me all the details of your diabolical plot," she
hinted broadly.

"Hmm?"  That distracted him, briefly.  "What diabolical plot?"

"C'mon, Clark," she chided.  "You know.  You're the villain, you've got
me tied up and you're about to dispose of me -- now is the perfect time
to explain everything, since of course I'm not going to be able to do
anything about it."

Comprehension dawned.  "Oh yeah, right, like on TV.  Well, forget it.
We're not characters in a TV show, and--"

He was interrupted by a whooshing sound as a streak of sound, light, and
movement invaded the warehouse, zipping around faster than the human eye
could follow.  When the whirlwind ceased, Lois was standing free next to
the chair, and Clark was chained in her place.  In front of them both
stood a young hero in a blue outfit with splashes of red and yellow.  He
crossed his arms in front of his chest and did his best to look stern.

"Oh, you saved me!" Lois gushed.  "But who are you, stranger?"

The hero shifted uncomfortably, and mumbled, "Mo-om!  Stop it."  He
squared his shoulders once more and stated firmly, "My name is
Whirlwind, and I'm here to help."

Lois smiled fondly.  He looked so much like his father when he said
that.  "That's good, sweetie.  Nice rescue, and a dignified
introduction.  Well, except for the part where I embarrassed you," she
grinned.  "But you'll get used to the gushing."

"You did make one small mistake, though," Clark pointed out from his
bound position.  "You didn't notice I was holding this tiny little
device," he opened one palm partway to display it.  "And it's a
detonator to a bomb that's concealed somewhere near.  If I were a real
bad guy, I could still threaten my hostage."

Whirlwind frowned.  "Hey, no fair!"

"The bad guys don't play fair, son," Clark reminded him gently.

"That's why we have to out-think them."

The three in the warehouse turned to see the source of the new voice,
and watched UltraWoman descend slowly from the ceiling, holding a small
package.  "Dad, I believe this is your bomb?  Excuse me, I mean *was*
your bomb."  She grinned, displaying the crushed remains.

Lois frowned.  "Laura, you didn't just smash that here, did you?"

Laura rolled her eyes.  "No, of course not, Mom.  I took it about a
hundred feet up, just to be safe.  Even if it was only cardboard to
start with."

Clark smiled.  "Good work, UltraWoman.  And you too, Whirlwind.  I kinda
expected you to just rush in."

"And I expected you five minutes ago," Lois added.  "I was getting stiff
in that chair."

The two young superheros exchanged glances, and Laura nodded for her
younger brother to go ahead and explain.  "It took us a while to put the
clues together, and we were real careful sneaking up here, in case there
was any surveillance.  And then I just waited 'til Dad was distracted."

"You handled yourselves very well, congratulations."  Clark beamed at
his two oldest children.  "We'll run a few more drills, next week, but
you've both learned a lot."

"Yeah, you two did good," Lois pronounced.  "And I've been saved by the
best of them."  She winked at her husband.  "Now, can one of you undo a
link or two in those chains so he doesn't have to break them to get
free?  I get the weirdest looks at the hardware store when I buy more of
this stuff every week!"

THE END
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Congratulations, proud Mom.
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At 06:31 PM 10/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>For those of you who miss your Sunday fix... ;)
>
>TITLE: LESSONS
>PART: 1/1
>AUTHOR: Pam Jernigan (jernigan@bellsouth.net)
>RATING: PG
>FEEDBACK: Public and private notes are both fine :)
>SUMMARY: This is set in S6 continuity, some 20 years later, but is not
>an official part of the series.

Oh Great Chief! Thank you, thank you!!! I WAS missing my fic, er, fix...
And I just giggled my whole way though this - Loved it :D

Melisma
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Sorry, Nan,  I hit the send button too soon.

What I meant to say was, Congratulations.  You must be very proud.

Ann
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That was the cutest little story!!! I was quite confused at first (I thought
it was a look alike or something of the sort; maybe another Clark from
another dimension but no!), but then I realized what was happening and it
was
very creative. I don't think anyone has thought that far in advance. Do you
think if there are those 2 around Supes can retire and spend his days with
Lois? Except if there's a really big disaster. Then he can help. Well, just
wanted to tell you I liked it!

Kristin
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I had to laugh all the way through this one, Pam.  Chuck thinks I've finally
lost it.

Nan

Pam Jernigan wrote:

> For those of you who miss your Sunday fix... ;)
>
> TITLE: LESSONS
> PART: 1/1
> AUTHOR: Pam Jernigan (jernigan@bellsouth.net)
> RATING: PG
> FEEDBACK: Public and private notes are both fine :)
> SUMMARY: This is set in S6 continuity, some 20 years later, but is not
> an official part of the series.
>
> ***
>
> "Help!!"  Lois Lane Kent screamed as loudly as she dared, wincing as the
> sound echoed through the large empty warehouse.  She scanned the area
> for any sign of imminent rescue, paying close attention to a large open
> window at one end of the building.  She saw nothing, however, and once
> more, futilely, rattled the chains that bound her arms to those of the
> chair.
>
> A soft chuckle emanated from the shadows in the rear of the building.
> "You won't be able to get them loose, you know," her captor stated,
> amused by her efforts.  "And we're too far from other buildings for
> anyone to hear you screaming.  In case you were wondering."
>
> "I appreciate the advice," she replied haughtily, "but I've had far more
> experience at this than you have, and I'm here to tell you, it's
> important not to give up."
>
> Dimly, she could see him tilting his head in acknowledgement of her
> point.  "Ah, but Superman won't save you this time."  He began moving
> restlessly, and emerged from the shadows, revealing the mild-mannered
> exterior of Clark Kent.  Lois had learned, however, not to judge this
> particular book by its cover.  "And no saving yourself, either," he
> added as an afterthought.
>
> "Not while you're looking, anyway," she agreed, smiling sweetly.  "But I
> wouldn't put it past me."
>
> "No, no," he riposted, sounding amused.  "You gotta follow the rules."
>
> "Yeah, right, when have I ever followed rules?"
>
> He leered at her briefly, prowling around the shadowed perimeter of the
> room.  "Well, I guess that's why I had to resort to tying you up."
>
> "A temporary inconvenience," she scoffed, although truthfully she wasn't
> quite as nimble as she used to be, and if she didn't get out of this
> soon, her legs might fall asleep.  She focused her attention on the
> edges of the building, hoping to see some movement.  "But now would be a
> good time to tell me all the details of your diabolical plot," she
> hinted broadly.
>
> "Hmm?"  That distracted him, briefly.  "What diabolical plot?"
>
> "C'mon, Clark," she chided.  "You know.  You're the villain, you've got
> me tied up and you're about to dispose of me -- now is the perfect time
> to explain everything, since of course I'm not going to be able to do
> anything about it."
>
> Comprehension dawned.  "Oh yeah, right, like on TV.  Well, forget it.
> We're not characters in a TV show, and--"
>
> He was interrupted by a whooshing sound as a streak of sound, light, and
> movement invaded the warehouse, zipping around faster than the human eye
> could follow.  When the whirlwind ceased, Lois was standing free next to
> the chair, and Clark was chained in her place.  In front of them both
> stood a young hero in a blue outfit with splashes of red and yellow.  He
> crossed his arms in front of his chest and did his best to look stern.
>
> "Oh, you saved me!" Lois gushed.  "But who are you, stranger?"
>
> The hero shifted uncomfortably, and mumbled, "Mo-om!  Stop it."  He
> squared his shoulders once more and stated firmly, "My name is
> Whirlwind, and I'm here to help."
>
> Lois smiled fondly.  He looked so much like his father when he said
> that.  "That's good, sweetie.  Nice rescue, and a dignified
> introduction.  Well, except for the part where I embarrassed you," she
> grinned.  "But you'll get used to the gushing."
>
> "You did make one small mistake, though," Clark pointed out from his
> bound position.  "You didn't notice I was holding this tiny little
> device," he opened one palm partway to display it.  "And it's a
> detonator to a bomb that's concealed somewhere near.  If I were a real
> bad guy, I could still threaten my hostage."
>
> Whirlwind frowned.  "Hey, no fair!"
>
> "The bad guys don't play fair, son," Clark reminded him gently.
>
> "That's why we have to out-think them."
>
> The three in the warehouse turned to see the source of the new voice,
> and watched UltraWoman descend slowly from the ceiling, holding a small
> package.  "Dad, I believe this is your bomb?  Excuse me, I mean *was*
> your bomb."  She grinned, displaying the crushed remains.
>
> Lois frowned.  "Laura, you didn't just smash that here, did you?"
>
> Laura rolled her eyes.  "No, of course not, Mom.  I took it about a
> hundred feet up, just to be safe.  Even if it was only cardboard to
> start with."
>
> Clark smiled.  "Good work, UltraWoman.  And you too, Whirlwind.  I kinda
> expected you to just rush in."
>
> "And I expected you five minutes ago," Lois added.  "I was getting stiff
> in that chair."
>
> The two young superheros exchanged glances, and Laura nodded for her
> younger brother to go ahead and explain.  "It took us a while to put the
> clues together, and we were real careful sneaking up here, in case there
> was any surveillance.  And then I just waited 'til Dad was distracted."
>
> "You handled yourselves very well, congratulations."  Clark beamed at
> his two oldest children.  "We'll run a few more drills, next week, but
> you've both learned a lot."
>
> "Yeah, you two did good," Lois pronounced.  "And I've been saved by the
> best of them."  She winked at her husband.  "Now, can one of you undo a
> link or two in those chains so he doesn't have to break them to get
> free?  I get the weirdest looks at the hardware store when I buy more of
> this stuff every week!"
>
> THE END
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Pam Jernigan            |  jernigan@bellsouth.net
> ChiefPam on IRC         |  ChPam on AOL IM
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Well, it just so happens that I am a former girlscout."
> "Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
> --Lois & Clark, "Ordinary People"
> -------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Point to ponder:  In the US in 1994,
> there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
> but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
> --Reason Magazine, Nov 99, pp46-47.
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Here's a question for the OUATIM folc's (He he): If Bernie and Phil go back
in time to try and save Lara (even though the poor thing is already dead! I
was gonna cry!!!), why can't Lois and Clark go back and stop the bombing of
the Planet and if they can't stop it at least see who did it and then try
and
find the evidence to support their time travel efforts and what they saw?
(That was really confusing! Sorry!) Just thought I'd ask!

Kristin
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> That was the cutest little story!!! I was quite confused at first

Oh good, that was the idea <g>

I'm glad you guys enjoyed this!  I actually wrote it back in May, but
the rest of the S6 team wouldn't let me send it out 'til after the
season finale, which kept getting pushed back for some reason (hi Phil!
<eg>) but I remembered it today...
--
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Pam Jernigan            |  jernigan@bellsouth.net
ChiefPam on IRC         |
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"Well, it just so happens that I am a former girlscout."
"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
--Lois & Clark, "Ordinary People"
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http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
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Point to ponder:  In the US in 1994,
there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
--Reason Magazine, Nov 99, pp46-47.
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Hi Jessi,

I'm very familiar with the Myers-Briggs personality inventory because it was
a big deal to have teachers take it about 10-15 years ago. So I will try to
help you out on this one.

In a message dated 10/10/99 5:50:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jessi914@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Is anyone on here familiar with the Myers-Brigg personality types?   On a
 list I'm on for that, there's been discussion about pinpointing the
 personality type of television show characters, and someone just happened
to
 bring up Lois and Clark.   Anyway, I was very sure that Clark was an
 NF, but another list member think that Clark's an INTJ.  I'm not having
much
 luck in making my point that Clark's an NF, so is there anyone familiar
with
 this to help me out?

I tend to think that Clark is probably an ISFJ.  (For the uninitiated, that
means he is an introvert [drawing energy from within himself], a sensor [
very logical in his approach to things, and very sensitive to physical
stimuli { the kind of person who backs up all their files on floppy disks
and
often can't see the forest for the trees} ], a feeler [ acts on feelings
rather than thinking things through in a cold, rational manner], and a
judger
[ acts fairly quickly, wants to make things happen rather than wait for
things to happen to him, takes the initiative].

<< I've noticed a lot of the people on this
 list seem to be NF's (incurable romantics, love the idea of soulmates,
enjoy
 reading, very good with words, like to join discussion groups for movies,
 novels, and TV shows that touched them deeply) and NF's are usually more
 fascinated by personality types than any other type of people.  Then we
 could figure out out what in the world Lois's personality type is, because
 nobody seems to know. :-)

I think that Lois is probably an INFJ or an INTJ.  She also seems to draw
energy from within herself rather than from other people.  She is very
intuitive, going on hunches (and doesn't back up her files <g>).  She may be
a feeler too.   She is so passionate about certain issues that I doubt she
is
cold enough to be a good thinker, but she is definitely a judger.   She
always wants things done yesterday.

If you think about it, the major difference in Lois' and Clark's
personalities was that he
was very methodical about details (sensor trait) whereas she was much more
prone to "reaching" and going with her intuition.  But they both seem pretty
introverted, her more so than him (and his may be due to his need to keep
the
world from discovering his secret).  Neither one of them was very open with
too many people.  There is no way that either one of them is a perceiver.
It's the feeler / thinker part that is a puzzle, really on both of them.

I tend to lean towards feeler for both of them, though.

Ann
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In a message dated 10/10/99 3:25:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

<< Nobody jumped on me for using the oxymoron "trite clich=E9".  Tsk, Tsk.
>=
>

Now, would "trite clich=E9" be an oxymoron, or repetitively redundant?<g>

Wouldn't an oxymoron using clich=E9 be more along the lines of "an
refreshin=
g=20
clich=E9" or a "new clich=E9"?

Ann
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>As I self-righteously practice Delayed Gratification, I remind
>myself,  "Patience is a Virtue.  Virtue is Rewarded.."   Jude

No, Jude, "Patience is a Virtue,
Virtue is a Grace,
Grace is a little girl with a dirty face..."

;)

Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one -- it's from a very long
time ago!
Peace
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Congratulations, Nan.  There can never be too many proud Moms or Women
Marines.  Jude
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> Sorry for the Off Topic post (sort of), but I can't resist a little
> bragging.  My 18 year old daughter, Vanya, finished the Crucible on
> Thursday--she was one of the team leaders--and graduates from Boot Camp
> on this coming Friday.  My baby girl is a genuine Marine.  Wow!
>
> Nan
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Got me!  Jude
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In a message dated 10/10/99 3:25:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

<< Nobody jumped on me for using the oxymoron "trite cliché".  Tsk, Tsk. >>

Now, would "trite cliché" be an oxymoron, or repetitively redundant?<g>

Wouldn't an oxymoron using cliché be more along the lines of "an refreshing
cliché" or a "new cliché"?

Ann
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There must be more to that.  Is it a poem, jingle, rhyme or just a joke?
Sounds like something I's want to jump rope to.  Fun stuff, anyway.  Jude
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> >As I self-righteously practice Delayed Gratification, I remind
> >myself,  "Patience is a Virtue.  Virtue is Rewarded.."   Jude
>
> No, Jude, "Patience is a Virtue,
> Virtue is a Grace,
> Grace is a little girl with a dirty face..."
>
> ;)
>
> Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one -- it's from a very long
> time ago!
> Peace
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Inspector Henderson,

I have attached three files to this e-mail: a scan of a note I recieved
last week, and the e-mails that Ron Underhill of the Star and I have
exchanged over the last two days.

Assuming that Mr. Underhill is being truthful in his claim that the note is
not his (perhaps your officers could run a handwriting analysis?), it seems
clear that someone out there is motivated not only to cause further damage
to the Daily Planet's circulation, but to implicate Mr. Underhill.

I hope you don't find me presumptuous to send you these things and make
such a suggestion, but I was highly impressed by our meeting yesterday
evening and feel I can trust you to be discreect.

Harry Pollack
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At 06:31 PM 10/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>For those of you who miss your Sunday fix... ;)
>
>TITLE: LESSONS
>PART: 1/1
>AUTHOR: Pam Jernigan (jernigan@bellsouth.net)
>RATING: PG
>FEEDBACK: Public and private notes are both fine :)
>SUMMARY: This is set in S6 continuity, some 20 years later, but is not
>an official part of the series.
>
Pam,

A truly lovely story, and I'm glad LnC are encouraging the little ones to
use their brains and not their brawn. :) Clark as the official bad guy was
priceless!

I hope you have other little bits and pieces stored up to offer us on later
occasions. :)

Hazel
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>>Carolyn wrote:
>>Since I doubt the stories will ever be read by the unitiated, how much
>>explanation do I really need to put in?  Any thoughts?

Put in as much or as little as you want. Don't count the pixels, count if
it's
fun or if it isn't. As soon as we *pay* you... then you can worry about the
word count ;)

Have *fun* with it. If you enjoy revisiting the episode and want to describe
it, particularly if the character doing the revisiting is wiser now, the
reader
may gain some new insights. We already know that you're a good episode
reviewer; what you write into a story about an episode may be very
entertaining
indeed!

But most of all.... have fun!

Unless you plan to have someone steal Clark's brain. Don't have fun with
that.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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At 12:48 PM 10/09/1999 -0700, Judith W. wrote:
>Hey, Isn't this the Lois and Clark world?  Who says it's supposed to
>consistent with a real time frame.. Inconsistency was the middle name of
>that series.  Jude

no, "and" is the middle name of the series.

However, you're right about the extreme failure of consistency...

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
Needless consistency is the
hobgoblin of small minds...

But logical consistency makes
for devilishly good story telling :)
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In a message dated 10/10/99 2:53:33 AM EST, judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET
writes:

<< It's syndicated in newspapers all over the USA.  In my area it's in the
 Seattle Times.  It used to be in the New York Times but don;t know if it's
 still there.  That's the best I can do for you.  Jude >>

The Seattle Times???  Kewl!  I live in Seattle and get the Seattle Times.
Can you tell me where I can find it?  And does it run everyday or just on
Saturdays? =)

Thanks.
Alexis ;-.)
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Personal and Confidential
Mr. Clark Kent
Daily Planet

Dear Mr. Kent,

We have not had the pleasure of being formally introduced, though I have
seen you at Star Labs on numerous occasions.  I work the night shift in the
laboratory.  One evening while I was cleaning up from an experiment that had
gone awry, I found the enclosed scrap of paper on the floor near one of the
tables where the experiments are set up.  As it pertains to Superman, and I
know you and he are friends, I thought this may be of interest to you.  I
have no idea who could have written this.  It is obviously someone's idea of
a joke, but I thought it may contain some pertainent information for
Superman.

Signed
A friend

************
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Well, here we are.  Not sure entirely what to do as it happens. I'm used to
writing, but not like this. But, Dawn....she's that sweet little rabbit over
in the back corner there, third cage from the end...suggested I should write
down some of my memoirs for posterity. She didn't actually say so, but I
think she meant for the edification of future labrats everywhere. And I can
understand that. I mean I *am* the oldest resident here at Star Labs. My
experience could probably be very helpful to the budding scientific
community at large. Especially when it comes to understanding humans. Bless
'em. They're a little slow sometimes, we all know that, but I've grown quite
fond of them over the years. They can be almost Rattish at times.

I mean, take Bernie - that's Doctor Klein, who's in charge of the serving
staff here. He's become quite adept at looking after us all. So, you see,
despite what the general consensus of opinion is, I still say that it *is*
possible to train them properly. It just take a little patience that's all.
And, occasionally, the odd bitten finger or two, just to reinforce the right
behaviour patterns. But I won't go into that here. Suffice it to say that my
instruction manual - "Training Humans - the Kindest Way"  - is still widely
available in loose leaf format, if anyone cares to look it up. It used to be
considered *the* definitive reference source on the subject. But that was
some years ago now...before the new theories became fashionable. They file
it under fiction now, I'm told. Fantasy, I believe. Sigh. These days, ask
about training your pet human and you're likely to be handed something like
Tobin's "Dumb or Dumber - Getting Along With Your Human" or even Mongoose
Montrose's "Are Humans a Sentient Species and Other Questionable Theories?"

Anyway, Dawn suggested I start this diary. Keep some of my thoughts in
order. I'm not that sure it's a good idea, but....what the heck, right? I'll
try anything once. As the rat said to the cheese vendor.

Okay...here goes....the diary of an educated labrat....
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Monday. February 10th.
=20
Day started off badly. Woke up to discover my water bottle had been =
leaking during the night. Again. I hate waking up in soggy hay.
=20
Is that the sort of detail a diary requires? Dunno. I mean, is it =
important to posterity? Will other labrats find it interesting? Will =
they nod their heads and remember their own soggy hayed awakenings? =
Maybe I should be writing about grander things? The experiments I've =
participated in. The contributions I've made to scientific =
advancement....
=20
Oh, stuff that. Wet hay makes me ticked. That's about as important as =
you get, I reckon.
=20
Apart from the leaking, those water bottles have always been a problem. =
No control of delivery. It's either a mouthful big enough to have you =
choking or you have to suck for hours to get a drip. It's those cheap =
Japanese imports they insist on. Why they can't just find another =
supplier beats me. I know I'm not the only one waking up to soggy hay of =
a morning. I've had plenty of complaints from the other residents. =
Although, Bicksley....well, Bicksley's got other problems entirely that =
don't have anything to do with defective water bottles, if you catch my =
drift. Enough said.=20
=20
With a start like that to a day, you don't really expect it to get any =
better. But it wasn't so bad. Superman popped in for his monthly =
physical. That's always fun and interesting. You see...and gather closer =
here, future rodent offspring because this may be as much of a secret in =
your time as it is back here...Superman is the only human I've ever =
known who can speak Rat.
=20
I kid you not! It surprised the heck out of me too, when I discovered =
it. Quite amazing, actually. Most humans just can't cope with the high =
pitch and the speed of our vocabulary. Course he can't *speak* it. The =
human vocal chords just can't cope. But then rats can't get their =
tongues around Human Talk either. Or, at least, I've never known any =
that did. I guess we could though, if we wanted to. But then, why would =
we want to? It's such a brutally inelegant language, don't you think? =
Quite illogical. Not like our own.
=20
How did I find out? Well, it was about three months ago now. An ordinary =
enough day, like any other. Not the kind you'd have said would have come =
up with anything spectacular.=20
=20
It was early morning and Bicksley and I were in the middle of our usual =
exercise regime. Bicksley, I think I forgot to mention, is the hamster =
in the cage next door. Solid enough little guy. Kinda twitchy, but a =
great source of gossip. Which was what usually occupied us more than the =
exercise, if truth be told. It was a pleasant enough routine, running =
around in our little wheels and chowing over the cheddar.

Bicksley's kind of a fitness freak. Day in, day out, round and =
round....he used to be running around on those itchy little paws of his =
all night too, but I got fed up with that. Squeak, squeak, squeak....it =
was like trying to sleep with a Panzer Division on manoeuvres right next =
door. Finally, I put an end to it when I used one of my purloined =
pencils to jam the darned thing. Pushed it through the bars, just at the =
right angle and boom - stopped that baby cold.
=20
Course, I felt kind of mean about it right after. Especially as Bicksley =
was still in the wheel at the time. I do so hate the sight of blood. =
Luckily, Bernie was working late in the lab that evening and heard the =
squeals. He's pretty handy to have around in an emergency. He fixed up =
poor Bicksley real good. It wasn't a pretty sight though...and neither =
was Bicksley after the surgery. But he forgave me eventually. I think =
the forgiveness had a lot to do with the fact that the girls on the =
hamster breeding programme think that slight south bend in his nose is =
to die for. Anyway, we're the best of buds again.
=20
But, I digress. Where was I? Oh, yes. Superman. So, there we were, =
Bicksley and me, getting in our usual morning round of exercise and =
gossip. 60 revolutions....pause, pant....60 revolutions...like always. =
Our wheels are set opposite one another just so that we can chat as we =
run. It took a time to get to making that a permanent arrangement. =
Honestly, you'd have thought our humans could have figured it out long =
before they did. The days I spent hauling my wheel from the wrong end of =
the cage - where some whistling happy go lucky twerp had put it after a =
cleanup - only to have to start from scratch the next time they cleared =
out the cage. Finally, one of them noticed me dragging it back into =
place. Which was, to begin with, a bit of a mixed blessing because after =
that they all crowded around to watch the new trick, with much oohing =
and ahhing and 'isn't she sweet' noises. For days afterwards they =
deliberately placed the wheel as far as it could get from my chosen =
spot, just to watch me drag it back. And then, soon as I did, back it =
went into the wrong corner. Vastly irksome.
=20
After a time, Bernie wandered along and warned them that ticking off a =
rat isn't really sensible and they should watch where they were poking =
those fingers. That's Bernie for you. Can always be relied on to come up =
with a brilliant idea when required.
=20
One bitten finger later - not to mention lots of that peculiar =
high-pitched squealing they get into when they're spooked that always =
sets my teeth on edge - and the circus was officially closed. After =
that, my wheel got put down right every time.
=20
Anyway, that day, Bicksley was talking about some hot little number he'd =
been putting the moves on over in the breeding cage and I was pretending =
to listen.  I was pretty ticked as I recall. I'd had my cage rousted =
just that morning in an unexpected cleanout and had to ditch the pencil =
I'd managed to pick up in the lab only the day before. Worse still, I =
could see the darned thing from where I was running around inside the =
wheel. Mocking me as it lay on the tiled floor. I complained bitterly =
about it to Bicksley.
=20
I wasn't really paying attention to Bernie and Superman, talking their =
human talk over in the corner. They weren't saying anything that =
especially interested me. But I was vaguely aware of them winding up in =
the background, as Superman made ready to leave.
=20
And that's when it happened. Just as Superman said goodbye to Bernie, he =
turned around, bent to pick up the errant pencil and casually slipped it =
through the bars and into my cage. Well, you could have knocked me over =
with an empty test tube! I swear the man winked at me as he did it too. =
And that was how I discovered that Superman is the only human I've ever =
known who can understand Ratspeak.=20
=20
Turned out to be pretty useful in the main. We've had all sorts of =
interesting conversations, me and Superman, and he's good at helping out =
if I really need to get Bernie to understand something important. Like =
easing up a little on those shots of his. He hasn't told Bernie of =
course. Superman's good at keeping secrets.=20
=20
Well, anyway....that's it for now. Gotta dash, get ready for tonight's =
festivities. It's Morphine's Coming Out party this evening - once the =
lab is quiet. Who'd have thought it? I mean, we don't call him Morphine =
because he's the most explosive test tube in the lab. It's taken him two =
years to figure out the lock on his cage and there were some of us =
thought he'd never get there, no matter how many times we showed him, =
but hey, the boy came good at last!=20
=20
LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT =
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10th.</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>Day started off badly. Woke up =
to discover=20
my water bottle had been leaking during the night. Again. I hate waking =
up in=20
soggy hay.</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DCourier><FONT=20
color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D2>Is that the sort of detail a diary =
requires? Dunno.=20
I mean, is it important to posterity? Will other labrats find it =
interesting?=20
Will they nod their heads and remember their own soggy hayed awakenings? =
Maybe I=20
should be writing about grander things? The experiments I've =
participated in.=20
The contributions I've made to scientific =
advancement....</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>Oh, =
stuff that. Wet=20
hay makes me ticked. That's about as important as you get, I=20
reckon.</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>Apart =
from the=20
leaking, those water bottles have always been a problem. No control of =
delivery.=20
It's either a mouthful big enough to have you choking or you have to =
suck for=20
hours to get a drip. It's those cheap Japanese imports they insist on. =
Why they=20
can't just find another supplier beats me. I know I'm not the only one =
waking up=20
to soggy hay of a morning. I've had plenty of complaints from the other=20
residents. Although, Bicksley....well, Bicksley's got other problems =
entirely=20
that don't have anything to do with defective water bottles, if you =
catch my=20
drift. Enough said. </FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>With =
a start like=20
that to a day, you don't really expect it to get any better. But it =
wasn't so=20
bad. Superman popped in for his monthly physical. That's always fun and=20
interesting. You see...and gather closer here, future rodent offspring =
because=20
this may be as much of a secret in your time as it is back =
here...Superman is=20
the only human I've ever known who can speak Rat.</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>I kid you not! It =
surprised the=20
heck out of me too, when I discovered it.</FONT></FONT><FONT =
face=3DCourier> Quite=20
amazing, actually. Most humans just can't cope with the high pitch and =
the speed=20
of our vocabulary. Course he can't *speak* it. The human vocal chords =
just can't=20
cope. But then rats can't get their tongues around Human Talk either. =
Or, at=20
least, I've never known any that did. I guess we could though, if we =
wanted to.=20
But then, why would we want to? It's such a brutally inelegant language, =
don't=20
you think? Quite illogical. Not like our own.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>How did I find out? Well, it was about three =
months ago=20
now. An ordinary enough day, like any other. Not the kind you'd have =
said would=20
have come up with anything spectacular. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>It was early morning and Bicksley and I were =
in the=20
middle of our usual exercise regime. Bicksley, I think I forgot to =
mention, is=20
the hamster in the cage next door. Solid enough little guy. Kinda =
twitchy, but a=20
great source of gossip. Which was what usually occupied us more than the =

exercise, if truth be told. It was a pleasant enough routine, running =
around in=20
our little wheels and chowing over the cheddar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>Bicksley's kind =
of a fitness=20
freak. Day in, day out, round and round....he used to be running around =
on those=20
itchy little paws of his all night too, but I got fed up with that. =
Squeak,=20
squeak, squeak....it was like trying to sleep with a Panzer Division on=20
manoeuvres right next door. Finally, I put an end to it when I used one =
of my=20
purloined pencils to jam the darned thing. Pushed it through the bars, =
just at=20
the right angle and boom - stopped that baby cold.</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>Course, I felt kind of mean =
about it right=20
after. Especially as Bicksley was still in the wheel at the time. I do =
so hate=20
the sight of blood. Luckily, Bernie was working late in the lab that =
evening and=20
heard the squeals. He's pretty handy to have around in an emergency. He =
fixed up=20
poor Bicksley real good. It wasn't a pretty sight though...and neither =
was=20
Bicksley after the surgery. But he forgave me eventually. I think the=20
forgiveness had a lot to do with the fact that the girls on the hamster =
breeding=20
programme think that slight south bend in his nose is to die for. =
Anyway, we're=20
the best of buds again.</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>But, I digress. Where was I? =
Oh, yes.=20
Superman. So, there we were, Bicksley and me, getting in our usual =
morning round=20
of exercise and gossip. 60 revolutions....pause, pant....60 =
revolutions...like=20
always. Our wheels are set opposite one another just so that we can chat =
as we=20
run. It took a time to get to making that a permanent arrangement. =
Honestly,=20
you'd have thought our humans could have figured it out long before they =
did.=20
The days I spent hauling my wheel from the wrong end of the cage - where =
some=20
whistling happy go lucky twerp had put it after a cleanup - only to have =
to=20
start from scratch the next time they cleared out the cage. Finally, one =
of them=20
noticed me dragging it back into place. Which was, to begin with, a bit =
of a=20
mixed blessing because after that they all crowded around to watch the =
new=20
trick, with much oohing and ahhing and 'isn't she sweet' noises. For =
days=20
afterwards they deliberately placed the wheel as far as it could get =
from my=20
chosen spot, just to watch me drag it back. And then, soon as I did, =
back it=20
went into the wrong corner. Vastly irksome.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>After a time, Bernie =
wandered along=20
and warned them that ticking off a rat isn't really sensible and they =
should=20
watch where they were poking those fingers. That's Bernie for you. Can =
always be=20
relied on to come up with a brilliant idea when =
required.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>One bitten finger =
later - not to=20
mention lots of that peculiar high-pitched</FONT></FONT><FONT face=3D""=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier> squealing they get into when they're =
spooked that=20
always sets my teeth on edge - and the circus was officially closed. =
After that,=20
my wheel got put down right every time.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" =
size=3D2>Anyway, that day,=20
</FONT><FONT size=3D2>Bicksley was talking about some hot little number =
he'd been=20
putting the moves on over in the breeding cage and I was pretending to=20
listen.&nbsp; I was pretty ticked as I recall. I'd had my cage rousted =
just that=20
morning in an unexpected cleanout and had to ditch the pencil I'd =
managed to=20
pick up in the lab only the day before. Worse still, I could see the =
darned=20
thing from where I was running around inside the wheel. Mocking me as it =
lay on=20
the tiled floor. I complained bitterly about it to =
Bicksley.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier>I wasn't really paying attention to Bernie and =
Superman,=20
talking their human talk over in the corner. They weren't saying =
anything that=20
especially interested me. But I was vaguely aware of them winding up in =
the=20
background, as Superman made ready to leave.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>And that's when it =
happened. Just=20
as Superman said goodbye to Bernie, he turned around, bent to pick up =
the errant=20
pencil and casually slipped it through the bars and into my cage. Well, =
you=20
could have knocked me over with an empty test tube! I swear the man =
winked at me=20
as he did it too. And that was how I discovered that Superman is the =
only human=20
I've ever known who can understand Ratspeak. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"" size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>Turned out to be pretty useful in the =
main. We've=20
had all sorts of interesting conversations, me and Superman, and he's =
good at=20
helping out if I really need to get Bernie to understand something =
important.=20
Like easing up a little on those shots of his. He hasn't told Bernie of =
course.=20
Superman's good at keeping secrets. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>Well, anyway....that's it for =
now. Gotta=20
dash, get ready for tonight's festivities. It's Morphine's Coming Out =
party this=20
evening - once the lab is quiet. Who'd have thought it? I mean, we don't =
call=20
him Morphine because he's the most explosive test tube in the lab. It's =
taken=20
him two years to figure out the lock on his cage and there were some of =
us=20
thought he'd never get there, no matter how many times we showed him, =
but hey,=20
the boy came good at last! </FONT></FONT><FONT =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DCourier>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DCourier>LabRat :)<BR>Doc. Klein's =
LabRat<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk">labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk</=
A></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
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i like it!

Sharon L Gilbert, Ph.D.
Center for Community Inclusion
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Don't judge another until you have walked a mile in their shoes, then
if you still don't like them you are a mile away and you have their
shoes.
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Pamsicles! how delicious!

(when Pam does something really waffy
I make up PamWords, hence the term
"groupie" used in reference to my person <g>)

> I'm glad you guys enjoyed this!  I actually wrote it back in May, but
> the rest of the S6 team wouldn't let me send it out 'til after the
> season finale, which kept getting pushed back for some reason (hi Phil!
> <eg>) but I remembered it today...

Only because S6 was produced by fanfic Goddesses and Fanfic King,
am I not pressing charges for withholding Pamfic.  <vbg>

Anything else sitting in your hard drive we should know
about? :o)

Maggie
Official Representative Number One Fanclub Association
CEO Jernigan Appreciation Society
and all around groupie girl <g>
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At 11:09 AM -0400 10/10/99, Sandy McDermin wrote:
>Melisma wrote:
>
>> Talk to you soon,
>>
>> Love, your mom
>>
>> P.S. Oh! Almost forgot to tell you what the doctor said when I finally
got
>> into her office... It seems that your child will be a few weeks older
than
>> his or her youngest aunt or uncle <G>
>
>
>What?...  I guess there's more than one super man in town.
>

Or Superwoman ... someone call the Guiness Book of World Records!!

Kathy

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At 1:49 AM -0500 10/10/99, Hazel wrote:
>One comment of yours -- "I can't recall either Clark or Superman ever
>referring to people by only their last name." -- intrigued me. Clark never
>refers to the bad guys by their last names? Not even Lex?

Actually, I think Clark almost never refers to Lex Luthor by "Lex".  He
calls him "Luthor" while Lois calls him "Lex". I believe this is true not
only in first season, but in the third as well.

Kathy

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Lab analysis of chemicals found on Lara Wells and in a drum at the Chemco
Chemical warehouse:

    Various sulphur compounds
    Phosphorus
    Potassium Chlorate
    @#@# with sulfuronitrate and merkuomealtetate

This very unstable chemical soup is identical to the chemicals found at the
scene of the Daily Planet bombing.  We will deactivate what we have and send
it to an apporpriate hazardous waste site in accordance with federal
guidelines.

You don't want any of this sitting on a shelf in your home.

Lois and Clark, remind me to coordinate my vacation plans with you.  If you
are out of town, the work here at the lab should slow to a snail's pace.
BTW, we should talk soon about testing regarding that other project of
yours.

                                            Sincerely,
                                                Bernie
                                                Bernard S. Klein, PhD,
StarLabs
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The Premiere PamGroupie asked:
> Anything else sitting in your hard drive we should know
> about? :o)

Nothing that's finished, sorry... and I'm going to be a bit more
cautious about posting those unfinished stories, after the troubles I've
had with this last one :)  But the good news is, I've been incredibly
productive lately ... as long as I don't get pregnant again for awhile,
you should be set, Maggie! <g>
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but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
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Dr. Klein-

You analysis concurs with the forensics report I just received.  I'm always
glad to have an independent analysis in sensitive cases.  Thank you for your
help.

                                        Inspector Henderson
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Sandy wrote:
> >What?...  I guess there's more than one super man in town.
> >
>
and Kathy added:
> Or Superwoman ... someone call the Guiness Book of World Records!!

LOL, Kathy, I had a nearly identical thought!  Ellen had to be at
least 22 or so when she graduated from nursing school, and even given
a whirlwind courtship by Sam, at least 23 when Lois was born in 1967.
A woman born in 1944 (or earlier ;) giving birth in the year 2000?  It
might not make the Guiness book, but I'm sure that the Metropolis Star
and possibly the Enquirer would be intrigued, not to mention Oprah and
Kathy Lee being interested in her story! <g>

Pat

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Lois and Clark,

By now, you have copies of chemical reports from both StarLabs and
Metropolis
PD.

We did get in touch with Harry Pollack.  He had quite a bit of information
about possible sabotage acitivities in the Star printing rooms.  We're
checking into that now... Ron Underhill will be brought in for questioning
next.

We're very close to tying this whole affair up.

                                     Henderson
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Well I consider that it is extraordinary, but not impossible... My grandma
had her youngest when she was in her mid fifties...

Melisma

At 10:50 PM 10/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Sandy wrote:
>> >What?...  I guess there's more than one super man in town.
>> >
>>
>and Kathy added:
>> Or Superwoman ... someone call the Guiness Book of World Records!!
>
>LOL, Kathy, I had a nearly identical thought!  Ellen had to be at
>least 22 or so when she graduated from nursing school, and even given
>a whirlwind courtship by Sam, at least 23 when Lois was born in 1967.
>A woman born in 1944 (or earlier ;) giving birth in the year 2000?  It
>might not make the Guiness book, but I'm sure that the Metropolis Star
>and possibly the Enquirer would be intrigued, not to mention Oprah and
>Kathy Lee being interested in her story! <g>
>
>Pat
>
>peabody@mcs.com
>pattijean@aol.com
>
>
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To Dawn:

Vastly Irksome :o) ??

Felicitous Phrasing if ever I saw it!
your diary had me cracking up!!
Thank you :o)

To Pam:

Not that I need to tell you but....
your stories are worth waiting for. :o)

Maggie
practicing the art of Succinct Babble tonight
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Can some kind soul out there send me picture files of these people.  I need
it for a role-playing activity i am putting together.  Thanks!

Lucy Lane- the one form Metallo
Alice White
Bobby Big Mouth

Alexis ;-.)
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Justin Whalin is starring in a D&D movie!  I just found an article on Wired
News.  Here's the url, if you're interested :-)

http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/22061.html

Tara

"Whoever said the human race was logical?"  Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV:
The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?"

"Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape"
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It's every week in the Sunday Times in the Scene section, usually on the
same page as Rant and Rave.  Today's Column head was: Subversive Linguistic
Ideas Ungood for Defenders of Standard English.. Quoting from the column,
",,,to assert  that all languages and all dialects have the same expressive
potential js to assert that the ukulele ranks with the cello.:  Happy
Reading.
----- Original Message -----
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> In a message dated 10/10/99 2:53:33 AM EST, judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET
writes:
>
> << It's syndicated in newspapers all over the USA.  In my area it's in the
>  Seattle Times.  It used to be in the New York Times but don;t know if
it's
>  still there.  That's the best I can do for you.  Jude >>
>
>
> The Seattle Times???  Kewl!  I live in Seattle and get the Seattle Times.
> Can you tell me where I can find it?  And does it run everyday or just on
> Saturdays? =)
>
> Thanks.
> Alexis ;-.)
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Pam, just finished your vicnette.  Fun look at the future.  Am in the midst
of a fic set in 2032 and also have L&C  daughter and son superheroes.
Ultrawoman was a natural, but have struggled with a name for the son.
Whirlwind and the implied characteristics are most creative.  I'm off on a
different tanget, but I'll always have in mind how the younger Kents were
trained.  I admire your imagination and prolific output.  If I ever finish
this thing it will be a miracle. It started simple, but has become Topsy.
Right now I'm dealing with a story within a story within a story and 3
different time periods.  I know where I 'm going, it's just the getting
there. Especially since  I've edited my  first 12 pages 10  times.  Jude
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At 07:07 PM 10/10/99 EDT, Ann E. McBride wrote:
>In a message dated 10/10/99 3:25:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
>judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:
>
><< Nobody jumped on me for using the oxymoron "trite clich=E9".  Tsk, Tsk.=
 >>
>
>Now, would "trite clich=E9" be an oxymoron, or repetitively redundant?<g>
>
>Wouldn't an oxymoron using clich=E9 be more along the lines of "an=
 refreshing=20
>clich=E9" or a "new clich=E9"?
>
>Ann

I was watching a program last night about the vanishing steam trains of the
UK (with my son, who is obsessed - must run in the family!) and they made a
comment about "sweet sorrows and the regular maudlin type of sorrows too"
which cracked me up.

Jen
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> Actually, I think Clark almost never refers to Lex Luthor by "Lex".  He
> calls him "Luthor" while Lois calls him "Lex". I believe this is true not
> only in first season, but in the third as well.
>

Yes, Kathy's quite correct. Even as Superman Clark called him Luthor
to his face and also referred to him as Luthor when speaking of him
to someone else. And Lois continued to call him Lex. Must have caused
Clark just a little concern, I'd have thought!

Wendy

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Thanks to Pam, Ann, Lauire, & Anige for the info about Us passports & the
Apollo hotel.  Good thing I checked  -- I was about to assume that US
passports were valid for 5 years like our Canadian ones.

Carol
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Just saw this now, Pam - it's hilarious! And amazingly, Clark even
seemed in character as the villain!

Wendy
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Bernie -

Thank you so much for all you did for Lara. I know it was already
pretty hopeless when Superman brought her to you. But thanks for
thinking of your friend Dr Atcliffe. He seems like one of the good
guys, and I'd like to meet him properly some time. Do you think his
time machine really works? If he can take her to the future, and if
some scientists there can help... well, we'll just have to hope.

Of course, in the meantime I have to figure out what to tell people.
Since she's a clone, there's no family to be informed, but everyone
at the Planet keeps asking about her. I don't know what to tell them!
It's not even as if she's in a normal hospital where they can call
and ask how she is. I guess I'll think of something. You know, Lois's
mother thought she saw Lara in the intensive care ward yesterday.  I
have no idea who she did actually see, but the poor young woman died.

Bernie, I know Perry will be very grateful for everything you've done
to help bring the Planet bombers to justice. Thanks to your chemical
analyses, Inspector Henderson thinks we're almost there.

Any time Lois and I - or Superman - can do anything for you, just let
us know. Which reminds me - you mentioned a vacation? Don't bother
booking a flight.

Clark.

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In a message dated 10/10/1999 11:18:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes:

<< Actually, I think Clark almost never refers to Lex Luthor by "Lex".  He
 calls him "Luthor" while Lois calls him "Lex". I believe this is true not
 only in first season, but in the third as well. >>

Yes, and Clark says it as though it's a term of derision. ;)

--Laurie
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> Just saw this now, Pam - it's hilarious! And amazingly, Clark even
> seemed in character as the villain!

Thanks, Wendy! :)  That was the challenge of it, of course -- to write
Clark so that he seemed menacing at first, but so his words & actions
still made sense once the reader knows what's going on.  Glad to hear
that it worked...
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> Thanks, Wendy! :)  That was the challenge of it, of course -- to write
> Clark so that he seemed menacing at first, but so his words & actions
> still made sense once the reader knows what's going on.  Glad to hear
> that it worked...

Oh, it worked; I could just picture him smiling in evil amusement!
But I'd have liked to see you withhold his identity for a little
longer, so that it would have been even more of a shock to realise
who was holding Lois captive.

Nice work!  (So where's the next part of JLT, then? Well?!)

Wendy
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Nice, Pam! Sweet and cute - and it was lovely to see those touches of humour
that made me laugh so hard in the President Kent stories resurrected here
too.

Will you be finished with Just Like That soon?

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!

"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
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Query
Yo Irene!  When are we going to see StarFire and SunStorm 9 & 10?

James, who can finally understand the realities of RL interfering with a
post-as-you-write story, ARRRRGGHHHHHH.

Gripe
I promise that Act II of Seven Days of Superman will be out soon.  It has
taken a back seat to veiled threats from work about my attending our child
birth class on the same night of our company's financial closing.  I have a
second who can fill in for me while I am at the class but they are none to
happy about my choice of putting my family before work.

Promises
Also creative mind has latched onto the story that Elisabeth and I are
working on together.  You know, the one that just celebrated its 1 year and
2 month anniversary, in vitro.  But with this new wave of creativity we
might actually get it done before our first love child is born!

Challenge
Recently was watching the L&C episode Ordinary People when Lois made a flip
comment about Superman saving the world from Killer Bees and supporting the
Golden Gate bridge.  I think either one of those would make for good story
fodder.  What do you think?

Sorry for venting but I'm just a little on edge right now.

James
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TITLE: Just Like That...?
PART: 4/7
AUTHOR: Pam Jernigan (jernigan@bellsouth.net)
RATING: PG
FEEDBACK: Any and all kinds accepted, in public or private.  I'm still
working on this, so I'll take any helpful comments.
SUMMARY: Asabi has switched Lois (Wanda) into the body of a blond clone
-- now that she's remembered who she is, she has to convince Clark.

***

Clark was barely out the door before he took off straight up.  He didn't
slow his ascent until the air was significantly thinner.  He had to
think.  He hovered for a moment, breathing the cold air deeply, and
found himself turning north and west.  There was this clearing, in the
Canadian Rockies ... he'd be undisturbed there

He forced himself to consider the possibility of a soul transfer.  It
hardly seemed feasible, and yet, he had to admit she'd been right; it
was by no means the strangest thing he'd ever encountered.  Did people
have souls?  He had always supposed that they had, when he'd thought
about it at all.  Certainly there was something to make people different
from one another, something that made people react differently to
similar circumstances.  He knew that everyone had unique brain wave
patterns -- he could ask Dr. Klein to take a reading of this woman's
brain ... but no one had ever taken a reading from Lois, so that
wouldn't prove a thing.

All right, suppose it was possible, in a theoretical sense.  It was just
the sort of thing Lex Luthor would take advantage of, he decided; Lex
never missed a trick.  (When Lex's empire had fallen, and his records
were examined, even Clark had been shocked by the range and extent of
the man's duplicity).  If it *were* possible, then could this woman
really be Lois?

She knew a lot of things, things that hadn't made it into the paper,
things that no one but he and Lois should know.  She even seemed to know
about Superman -- and strangest of all, he didn't mind her knowing.

That was odd, now that he thought about it.  Even though his conscious
mind had been in turmoil, on a deeper level he'd been disturbingly
comfortable with her presence.  She shouldn't have been able to turn
over on the sofa without him being aware of it, and yet she'd gotten up
and made a mess of his kitchen without disturbing him.  And he should
have been worried sick about her knowledge of his secret.  Either he was
too tired and heart-sick to care ... or some part of him trusted her.

Finally, there was the shock of recognition that he'd felt, both last
night and again this morning.  It was visceral, affecting him on a level
so deep that he could barely feel it, and he'd only experienced it once
before in his lifetime.  Three years ago, at the Planet, when he'd first
met Lois.

He fought against accepting the notion.  And yet, what made Lois unique
was her personality, her character -- her soul.  Her sense of humor, her
fierce dedication to her profession, her stubborn determination to make
the world a better place no matter what.  All the things, he realized,
that had been missing in her clone.  He had, in effect, seen Lois' body
with someone else's soul.  Might he now have met her soul in another
body?

He was overwhelmed with longing to believe it ... to have Lois back with
him, against all odds.  He missed her with every fiber of his being,
with an almost physical ache -- and yet, he couldn't allow himself to
accept this fantastic story on faith.  If he let himself believe, and
later learned otherwise... it would be like losing her all over again,
and he didn't think he could handle that.

Clearly,  the thing to do was to investigate ... find out what her story
was.  Surely, if she were lying, it would quickly become obvious.  Yes,
he thought with some relief, that would work.  He could be detached,
professional, and objective.  Just as if the outcome wouldn't have a
profound effect on his life.

***

Lois entered the dingy photo shop and looked around for the owner.  All
she saw was one greasy assistant.  "Hey, is Hector here?"

"In the back," the assistant answered, eyeing her lazily.

"Well, I need to see him -- one of his special jobs."

The counterman raised an eyebrow at that, but merely slipped out of his
seat and disappeared into the back.  In a moment, he reappeared.
"C'mere."

She submitted to a pat-down to prove that she was unwired and unarmed,
then strode into the back room.  "Hey, Hector," she greeted him.  He was
a swarthy little man who was basically decent, despite his various
less-than-legal specialties.

"Who are you?"

"Friend of Lois Lane's," she replied smoothly.  She'd known him for some
years, actually, and he'd occasionally given her some good information.
In return for which, she hadn't ever mentioned his illegal activities to
the police.

He shrugged.  "That's nice, but I meant, what's your name?"

"You tell me.  I need a new identity -- social security number, birth
certificate, the works."  Hector could do fake ID's, but for more money,
he could fix you up with legitimate records whose original owners had
died in childhood.  If one avoided certain background checks, that sort
of identity could hold up for a long time.

Hector squinted at her.  "How old are ya?"

"Low twenties will do."  She was briefly amused at the idea of turning
25 again.

He scratched his chin thoughtfully.  "Gotta check my files."

Lois nodded, and found a relatively clean place to sit as she watched
Hector rummage through his battered file cabinets.  After a few minutes,
he returned to the desk, several files in hand.  "Pick one.  For an
extra fifty, I can get ya a driver's liscence."

She inspected the folders, none of which contained much information.
She hardly knew how to pick a new name for herself, although she
supposed anything would be better than Wanda.  But to make it easier,
she only had a few choices.  Marissa Secrist ... no, too frilly.  Paula
Bainbridge, well, it was okay.  Caroline Ward ... that was nice.
Dignified.  But there was something not quite ... ah, she had it.  She
smiled grimly.  She didn't like how it went with Kent.  In that case,
there was only one choice.  "I'll be Paula Bainbridge, thanks."  But not
for long, she swore to herself.  Before too much time had passed, she'd
be Paula Kent.  She refused to contemplate any other possibility.

***

When Clark returned to the apartment, she was gone.  His immediate
reaction was undiluted panic that he'd lost her (again, insisted some
small part of his brain).  That scared him more than anything else, that
he might be falling for her act, her deception ... falling for her,
period.  He quickly banished the thought.  This woman was most likely a
nutcase, he told himself brutally.  At best she was part of one of Lex's
twisted schemes.  If he felt anything at all for her, it was just a
concern for her well-being.  No different than the concern he had for
any other Metropolis citizen.  And yet....  Shaking his head at his own
folly, he took off again, trying to locate one woman in a city of
millions.

***
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i like it. i was a little worried after the 2nd and 3rd installment
that she would show up, clark would buy the story and everything would
be grand. glad to see clark is thinking through this one.

me

Sharon L Gilbert, Ph.D.
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I think I probably miss the last few lines, still I can't read the end!
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S
P
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E
R

S
P
A
C
E

Au Revoir and Not Goodbye by Chris Carr.

I cannot believe that this was submitted to the Archive in August of this
year and I'm only now catching up with it, but anyway....

If you've missed this one, I highly recommend tracking it down. It's a
beautifully crafted little vignette about Lois dealing with the immediate
aftermath of Clark leaving for New Krypton. And it includes a highly
original idea as explanation as to why Clark and Lois chose not to
consummate their relationship in BGF which stunned me in its simplicity. The
sort of idea that has you muttering "Of course! Why didn't I think of
that?!" as you read. <g> And which you immediately know is, of course,
completely right, because the author has reached into the minds and souls of
her characters and found the answer within them, rather than her own
imagination.

Beautifully done, Chris. This one is a real gem.

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk

PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!

"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
L. Mencken
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>Beautifully done, Chris. This one is a real gem.
>
>LabRat :)

I have to add a 'me to' to Ratty's sentiments, Chris. I must confess that I
am criminally behind in my reading, and that when I got LabRat's note I
went and read Au Revoir for the first time, only. But I love it... love how
you showed Lois's thoughts, and her rememberence of a scene I had only been
able to imagine so far. Please, would it be too much to ask you to write
another story soon?

Melisma
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Pam,

you really got me on the edge on my seat with that one! You're doing a
great job and I hardly can wait til tomorrow for the next part.
In part 3 I had to laugh at the oatmeal scene. That was so Lois! And
Clark immediately recognized it. Love that!
In today's installment it was really nice to see how Clark is working
through all this.

IMHO you definitely have Kerth 2000 material here! :-)

Petra

"Never before in her life Lois had met someone quite like him. She
trusted him unconditionally and was willing to lay her life in his
hands.
'If he'd ask me now to marry him I'd say yes!'"

"Heartache tonight" by the German L&C Fanfiction Team, coming soon to an
archive near you.

mailto: <petrast@gmx.net>
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Hi James,

I'm sorry to hear that you've been on edge.  I'm happy
to tell you that I've started work on S&S part 10
again, for the first time in months!

The only thing that will slow me down now, is that
I've just got a new keyboard.  In fact, this letter is
the first thing I've written with it!  I can tell that
it will take me a little while to get used to it, but
then I should be off to the races again.

Hope everything is going well with you, Elisabeth and
your baby.

Take care,
Irene

--- James Tull <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Query
> Yo Irene!  When are we going to see StarFire and
> SunStorm 9 & 10?
>
>
> James, who can finally understand the realities of
> RL interfering with a
> post-as-you-write story, ARRRRGGHHHHHH.
>
> Gripe
> I promise that Act II of Seven Days of Superman will
> be out soon.  It has
> taken a back seat to veiled threats from work about
> my attending our child
> birth class on the same night of our company's
> financial closing.  I have a
> second who can fill in for me while I am at the
> class but they are none to
> happy about my choice of putting my family before
> work.
>
> Promises
> Also creative mind has latched onto the story that
> Elisabeth and I are
> working on together.  You know, the one that just
> celebrated its 1 year and
> 2 month anniversary, in vitro.  But with this new
> wave of creativity we
> might actually get it done before our first love
> child is born!
>
> Challenge
> Recently was watching the L&C episode Ordinary
> People when Lois made a flip
> comment about Superman saving the world from Killer
> Bees and supporting the
> Golden Gate bridge.  I think either one of those
> would make for good story
> fodder.  What do you think?
>
>
> Sorry for venting but I'm just a little on edge
> right now.
>
> James
>

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Date:         Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:53:41 -0700
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--- Melisma <melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA> wrote:
> S
> P
> O
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> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> >Beautifully done, Chris. This one is a real gem.
> >
> >LabRat :)
>
> I have to add a 'me to' to Ratty's sentiments,
> Chris. I must confess that I
> am criminally behind in my reading, and that when I
> got LabRat's note I
> went and read Au Revoir for the first time, only.
> But I love it... love how
> you showed Lois's thoughts, and her rememberence of
> a scene I had only been
> able to imagine so far. Please, would it be too much
> to ask you to write
> another story soon?
>
> Melisma

I'm going to 'me too' also.  Chris handles emotions
with a light and sensitive touch.  She is an
absolutely fantastic writer.

Irene
(who is happy because she just got to edit Chris's
newest story, and it's also fantastic!)

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Date:         Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:03:33 -0700
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>Irene
>(who is happy because she just got to edit Chris's
>newest story, and it's also fantastic!)

Melisma (who is blue because Irene got to read Chris's newest story before
she did, and who is sure it is fantastic, because Irene is a good judge of
fic, but why oh WHY isn't it out so *I* can read it? <pout>)
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LOL! Not speaking for Chris or anything, but it's not
out cus the poor woman just finished it!  I don't even
know if she's had a chance to see my notes or not yet,
or if they've even arrived.

Irene

--- Melisma <melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA> wrote:
> >Irene
> >(who is happy because she just got to edit Chris's
> >newest story, and it's also fantastic!)
>
> Melisma (who is blue because Irene got to read
> Chris's newest story before
> she did, and who is sure it is fantastic, because
> Irene is a good judge of
> fic, but why oh WHY isn't it out so *I* can read it?
> <pout>)
>

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> you really got me on the edge on my seat with that one! You're doing a
> great job and I hardly can wait til tomorrow for the next part.

Mwa-ha-ha, tomorrow's will be worse... <eg>

> In today's installment it was really nice to see how Clark is working
> through all this.

Yes, Sharon mentioned that too.  The poor boy's been through a lot,
really ... and it's going to take a lot to convince him.

> "Never before in her life Lois had met someone quite like him. She
> trusted him unconditionally and was willing to lay her life in his
> hands.
> 'If he'd ask me now to marry him I'd say yes!'"
>
> "Heartache tonight" by the German L&C Fanfiction Team, coming soon to an
> archive near you.

And when are you and Nicky going to stop tormenting us with teasers from
this unreleased story, eh?? <g>  I think you've worked up enough
anticipation already ...
--
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"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
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there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
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Thanks for the recommendation, LabRat.  That question has puzzled and
annoyed me since the ep aired.  I couldn't believe that they didn't.
Finally came up with a somewhat unsatisfying reason, so I look forward to
reading another version.  Jude
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> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
>
> Au Revoir and Not Goodbye by Chris Carr.
>
> I cannot believe that this was submitted to the Archive in August of this
> year and I'm only now catching up with it, but anyway....
>
> If you've missed this one, I highly recommend tracking it down. It's a
> beautifully crafted little vignette about Lois dealing with the immediate
> aftermath of Clark leaving for New Krypton. And it includes a highly
> original idea as explanation as to why Clark and Lois chose not to
> consummate their relationship in BGF which stunned me in its simplicity.
The
> sort of idea that has you muttering "Of course! Why didn't I think of
> that?!" as you read. <g> And which you immediately know is, of course,
> completely right, because the author has reached into the minds and souls
of
> her characters and found the answer within them, rather than her own
> imagination.
>
> Beautifully done, Chris. This one is a real gem.
>
> LabRat :)
> Doc. Klein's LabRat
> labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk
>
> PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!
>
> "Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde
>
> "Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." --
H.
> L. Mencken
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Well, I hope she knows the meaning of 'depeche-toi!' LOL...

Melisma

(Chris, that means 'Hurry up' in French, in case you didn't know... But to
quote Tank, I would never rush perfection. Get it done as soon as you can -
just know that I'm a bit impatient, tho' trying to control myself...)

At 12:07 PM 10/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>LOL! Not speaking for Chris or anything, but it's not
>out cus the poor woman just finished it!  I don't even
>know if she's had a chance to see my notes or not yet,
>or if they've even arrived.
>
>Irene
>
>--- Melisma <melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA> wrote:
>> >Irene
>> >(who is happy because she just got to edit Chris's
>> >newest story, and it's also fantastic!)
>>
>> Melisma (who is blue because Irene got to read
>> Chris's newest story before
>> she did, and who is sure it is fantastic, because
>> Irene is a good judge of
>> fic, but why oh WHY isn't it out so *I* can read it?
>> <pout>)
>>
>
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Date:         Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:32:00 EDT
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[ This was transcribed by a nurse who was attending to Lara until she went
into a coma.]

Well, I guess this is it!  This is where I face eternity, aka: The Big
Sleep.
 Oddly enough, I am actually at peace.  Maybe it's the drugs.  Ever since I
got here, STAR Labs has been in utter chaos!  In one corner of the room was
Dr. Klein and another scientist.  They keep talking about a time machine and
a woman with a name that starts with the letter L.  I can't tell who it is
since I keep slipping in and out of consciousness.  Are you and Lois
planning
a trip?

In the other corner, is Superman.  I feel so sorry for him.  He looks like
he
just lost his best friend.  I wish I could do something for him, but I don't
think anything would help.  I look too much like Lois.  Heck, I am a carbon
copy of the woman!  To see someone who looks like her dying, is probably
devasting...

If these are my last moments on earth, I will take my memories of Superman
with me.  When he found me I was losing a lot of blood and in immense pain.
But when he flew me to STAR Labs, I felt completely safe.  During that brief
time in his arms, the pain was gone.  I only hope that others would have the
same experience.

Clark, please tell Lois that I am sorry for all of the trouble I caused.  I
am almost sorry that I was created!  If I were Lois, I would probably hate
myself too!  You and Lois have something very special.  You have something I
could have only wished for myself with Dan or some other man.  Please never
forget how lucky you two really are! =)

Give my love to the "littlest Kent."  You can tell him or her all about
their
"Auntie Lara," who caught the Daily Planet, bomber.

Tell Cat, that she was my best friend.  I could tell her almost anything and
she wouldn't tell a soul!  I am really going to miss her...  And Jimmy, he's
a really nice person and kinda cute too!  If only I had been a little
younger...LOL!

Mr. White, I want to thank him for giving me a chance to work at the Planet.
I learned a lot from my brief time there.  I was only one of the few junior
reporters who really enjoyed his Elvis stories! =)  You can tell him that if
you want.

I think the hardest thing for me to do is leave Dan.  I love him and the
tears are falling as I even think of a world without him.  When he finds
out,
he is obviously going to be bitter towards you and Lois.  Please try to
understand that he really doesn't hate you, he just doesn't know who else to
blame.  Tell Dan that I love him and that I will never forget him.  He
taught
me how to love.  Most importantly, he taught me how to love myself.

Last but not least, I am going to miss you Clark!  I now understand why I
was
so drawn to you.  I am a part of Lois, so it is only natural that I have
some
feelings for you.  You are a super friend and I don't know what I would have
done if you hadn't been the first one to take a chance and introduce
yourself.  I know I embarrassed you about this before, but you really have a
great smile! ;)  I only hope that other junior reporters are lucky enough to
see it!

Well, I feel myself drifting back into unconsciousness again, so I guess
this
means good-bye...

Your *eternal* friend,
Lara Wells
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Pam wrote:

> > "Heartache tonight" by the German L&C Fanfiction Team, coming soon to an
> > archive near you.
>
> And when are you and Nicky going to stop tormenting us with teasers from
> this unreleased story, eh?? <g>  I think you've worked up enough
> anticipation already ...

<lol> Well, we're really working hard on that one. We just love this new
baby of ours too much to let it rest too long on our hard drives. And
we're already doing the translation though it's not even finished in
German!

Petra
aka KiwiPit on IRC

The editor-in-chief looked up from his screen: "Your undercover story?
Yes, Clark, you mentioned it. So you're going to play - how do you call
yourself? - Cary Keats once again?"
Clark nodded. "Yes, word is that a new customer will arrive here in
London by tomorrow. Perhaps I can make him my ticket to the top of the
organization."
"Sounds promising," Finch agreed. "Though I'm still wondering how you
managed to pass off as an expert on drugs or something like that."

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Hi Mags!

Thanks!  I only sent the note to Clark Kent from a "friend". I'm just the
innocent rabbit in the back corner, third cage from the end - wondering
where that typo came from, oh and sorry for the html junk. I must have
gotten distracted by the rabbit in the cage beside mine.  He looks like
Superman.  Well he does to me!  Must be that pheremone stuff Doc Bernie is
giving me.  Anyway, where was I, oh yeah ... oh my!  What I *meant* to say
was *rumour* has it that the diary was written by a *rat*!  Can you believe
*it*?!

Dawn the rabbit, getting off Doc Bernie's computer and hopping back to her
cage before she sticks her paw in her mouth again.  That can't be good luck.
Besides, I have nkerth stuff to work on ....  Dear me!  I did it again!
First I rat on a rat, then I squeal on myself. <sigh> looking longingly at
the back space button with her little bunnie eyes.  What good would going
back a space do me now?
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Dawn, this is hilarious!  I'm a little confused though. Is this all
your doing or is Labrat in on this?

TerriAnn

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I'm trying to figure out if this is some kind of new RPG, a running joke,
or merely a loving tribute to that rat in Star Labs who has some kind of
time machine that bops her over to England in her spare time. :)

Well, whatever it is, keep it up! It's nice to discover that rat is one of
the 347 languages in which Clark can order dinner. ;)

Hazel
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Hazel wrote:

>I'm trying to figure out if this is some kind of new RPG, a running joke,
>or merely a loving tribute to that rat in Star Labs who has some kind of
>time machine that bops her over to England in her spare time. :)

England?!? ENGLAND?!? Hoots, mon - where's me claymore!
>
>Well, whatever it is, keep it up! It's nice to discover that rat is one of
>the 347 languages in which Clark can order dinner. ;)
>
LOL.

LabRat :)
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>>I'm trying to figure out if this is some kind of new RPG, a running joke,
>>or merely a loving tribute to that rat in Star Labs who has some kind of
>>time machine that bops her over to England in her spare time. :)
>
>
>England?!? ENGLAND?!? Hoots, mon - where's me claymore!

Look, woman, the edress says UK. I am still at heart a provincial,
unabashedly ignorant American who just barely knows that Washington, D.C.,
is not in Washington, the state.

So there. :p

Hazel

"United Kingdom? Um... Walt Disney, right?"

No, even I'm not that bad...
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Charlotte:

I must apologize for taking so long in getting back comments to you. My
lateness has nothing to do with a lack of interest but in this flu bug
I've been battling and battling and battling.  I've read all three parts
to your fic but have only written down comments upto the second part.
What I enjoyed most about this section -- the aftermath of Lois and
Clark's cruise -- was how well you described the impact on the Daily
Planet.

Frankly, on the show itself, the lack of notice given to L&C's
interactions in the office always left me mildly irritated. It wasn't a
great sore point.  (After all, the show stretched the beliveability in
so many more obvious ways.<g>)  However, I couldn't help but wonder why
the extras weren't told to at least look a little surprised, or
interested, or annoyed, or something when L&C would launch into a lip
lock in the middle of the newsroom or when other odd things would appear
before them -- like Cat's wardrobe.  The episode which stands out for me
the most was during the 4th Season when Tez came into the office
impersonating Jimmy, and he literally dropped an entire steak dinner
into the mail boy's cart.  The mail guy continued on without a blink. It
was bizarre.  Anyway ... I've read fanfic which continued this tradition
of "see no evil," and I'm happy to see that yours is not one of
them.<g>  Far from it!  And, I thank you for that bit of catharsis.

I have included only my more general or plot related comments below.
Typos to go privately.

> Revealing Cruise, Part II. Pg. 1
> Consequences

> A smiling Willard spied Lois and Clark together at her desk
> and called out, "Ms. Lane, Mr. Kent, we got them.  The
> whole cartel's been busted up and the ringleaders are all
> under arrest in their own countries.  The evidence you two
> got while posing as honeymooners on the cruise ship made it
> all possible."  Everyone in the newsroom stopped and stared
> at the Daily Planet's star reporters.  Lois, Clark noted
> his stomach plunging, had turned white.

Well, in spite of what I just said above and the fact that your story
relies on the indiscretion of the Interpol guy, I really found it
strange that Willard, a person who you would expect to keep things close
to his chest, would call out as if making an announcement to the entire
city room. It might have been better for the three agents to meet at
Lois' desk and perhaps talk loudly enough that a few others could hear.
That would still leave it open for Perry to rush out and bring them into
his office, while still providing your story with the needed impetus for
gossip.

> "Mr. White, no one outside of the Daily Planet will learn
> the identity of Karl and Lucy Jensen.  Interpol can keep
> secrets as well as you," Conners assured him.  "Surely you
> can make certain the real story doesn't leak out of your
> newspaper building.  We came by to give you the word that
> Interpol has agreed that the Planet's exclusive can be
> run."

Connors' assurances sound kind of silly considering that *anyone* could
have been in the city room when Willard made his announcement --
messengers, visitors, the cleaning crew, the xerox repairman, Tez.  The
Daily Planet's premises are not as secure as Interpol's.

I'm surprised Perry didn't slap him.

> With that Perry White sent the two of them out to
> investigate increased teen gang violence on the south side.

Regarding the "south side" investigation, I think you had things moving
a little too fast.  You had the investigation, the reporting of the
story, the impact on the city, and the resolution happen in what appears
to be less than a week.  Of course, whole careers have been destroyed
after only a few misspoken words so....

> Lois and Clark were asked by city officials to work closely
> with all parties to ensure a fair and equitable solution
> and they agreed. The subsequent three days of their week
> were spent on that story, writing up progress that was

*Lois and Clark* were asked to work on the gang violence problem by the
city?  Wouldn't city officials just assure Lois and Clark that *they*
would be working toward a fair and equitable solution?

> Unfortunately, in spite of Perry's efforts and in contrast
> to what he believed, the newsroom gossip about the cruise
> ship investigation continued.  Steve Nicholson, the new
> intern actually grilled Clark during one of the latter's
> rare appearances in the newsroom that week.  Clark tried to
> laugh the speculation off.

Interns are pretty low on the totem pole.  I thought Steve was at least
a new reporter, considering his influence and the fact that he felt
comfortable grilling Clark. On the other hand, after our "White House
intern episode" I'm beginning to reassess their relative influence.<g>

> "Well," Nicholson told the group: "The guy had the chance
> of a lifetime to come on to Lane and apparently didn't act
> on it.  Lois Lane is beautiful, vivacious, funny, smart,
> sexually experienced - what 'real man' wouldn't have at
> least tried to score."

Sounds odd for Nicholson to describe Lois as "sexually experienced."
She did have a relationship with someone in the office, but other than
that, I thought people saw her pretty much as a workaholic and an ice
maiden.

> All that afternoon while Clark worked diligently at his
> computer (**He really was out checking with a source this
> time. **) she surreptitiously observed the rest of the
> Planet staff as they interacted with her partner while
> keeping a close eye on Steve Nicholson.

I know what you're saying here, but it sounds a little bit like the
*Planet staff* was keeping a close eye on Steve Nicholson<g> -- which,
considering what a lovely person he is, seems like a wise idea.

>Let it go, baby.  I don't care what any of them think, I
>told you that."

You know, I once had Clark call Lois "baby" in a fic because I got tired
of all the usual endearments and my editors called me on it saying that
they had never heard Clark call Lois baby.  They even suggested that
she wouldn't go for it. Have you heard it, so I can be vindicated?<g>

>She'd been doing that for several months now, because he
>was often called away to do Superman things during the
>afternoon and didn't return to work until the next day.

She'd been doing this without question for months?  For a moment, I
thought you were inferring that she had made the connection between CK
and Superman, but she hasn't yet, right?  Or, has she subconsciously?
Hmm.

>As they became
>closer and spent more time together, he had to leave
>practically in mid conversation

This sounds like a cause and effect situation, and I don't think that's
what you meant.  Or, maybe it is?  I suppose the more time he's spent
with Lois, the more uneasy he has gotten about not leveling with her and
the more likely he is to "hear things."  Am I stretching here?  In any
case, I think the sentence needs some clarification.

Wow, Charlotte, this story is chock-full and I can see why you would
need to break it into three parts.  It actually could be three separate
stories as each one definitely has a different feel and flavor.  Is that
what you were intending?  In any case, I am enjoying all three.

On a somewhat related note, has anyone ever done a "Rashomon" type L&C
fanfic?  I guess Genevieve was trying to do that with her fics about
GGGH, but I don't think she ever finished.

--
Sandy
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Sandy,

What is a Rashomon type LnC fanfic?

Just curious.
Irene

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"Irene D." wrote:
>
> Sandy,
>
> What is a Rashomon type LnC fanfic?
>
> Just curious.

Well, "Rashomon" is a film by Akira Kurosawa (Japanese, 1950).  It
concerns a horrible event, a rape/murder, told from the perspective of
four people who were involved.  Each individual's story is different
despite the fact that they are recalling the same event.  It has become
such a well-known treatment that other "plots" which use this technique
or occurrences which bring it to mind are often referred to just by the
title of the movie.

The underlying philosophical point to the film (and you know there was
one, *dah-ling*<g>) is that truth is relative, i.e., human nature
intervenes and recollection is deceptive -- sometimes *purposely* so,
sometimes subconsciously so.

Anyway, Genevieve was attempting to do a similar thing with the episode
GGGH.  She began writing short-ish fics of the traumatic events in GGGH
from the perspective of each of the characters, but I don't think she
went beyond Martha and ???

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Hi,

I am trying to remember the title of a fanfic I read a while ago.  In the
story Lois has just returned to her apartment, still in her wedding dress,
after Perry & Jimmy stop the wedding with Lex, and she is crying.  Kal-El
was
never sent to Earth because Krypton didn't explode.  He senses her distress
and comes to her by telepathy and later comes to her for real.

Does anyone recall the title of this fanfic?

Thanks, Melody
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Thanks, Sandy.

I've seen this kind of writing before, just never knew
what it was called.

Irene

--- Sandy McDermin <smcdermin@EROLS.COM> wrote:
> "Irene D." wrote:
> >
> > Sandy,
> >
> > What is a Rashomon type LnC fanfic?
> >
> > Just curious.
>
> Well, "Rashomon" is a film by Akira Kurosawa
> (Japanese, 1950).  It
> concerns a horrible event, a rape/murder, told from
> the perspective of
> four people who were involved.  Each individual's
> story is different
> despite the fact that they are recalling the same
> event.  It has become
> such a well-known treatment that other "plots" which
> use this technique
> or occurrences which bring it to mind are often
> referred to just by the
> title of the movie.
>
> The underlying philosophical point to the film (and
> you know there was
> one, *dah-ling*<g>) is that truth is relative, i.e.,
> human nature
> intervenes and recollection is deceptive --
> sometimes *purposely* so,
> sometimes subconsciously so.
>
> Anyway, Genevieve was attempting to do a similar
> thing with the episode
> GGGH.  She began writing short-ish fics of the
> traumatic events in GGGH
> from the perspective of each of the characters, but
> I don't think she
> went beyond Martha and ???
>
> --
> Sandy -- where one stands depends upon where one
> sits.
> smcdermin@erols.com
> http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/
>

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In a message dated 10/11/99 3:15:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:

<<
 Well, I hope she knows the meaning of 'depeche-toi!' LOL...

 Melisma

 (Chris, that means 'Hurry up' in French, in case you didn't know.. >>

Since we're encouraging Chris in French, I'll put i my two f    rancs worth
...Vite, vite. vite!!!!

(Which means fast, fast, fast.)

Ann
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In a message dated 10/11/99 5:44:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK writes:

<< England?!? ENGLAND?!? Hoots, mon - where's me claymore! >>

This reminds me of a novel I once read in which a character, a resident of
the south of France, said, "Scotland, zat is zee north of England, n'est-ce
pas?"  I suppose some people think that the United Kingdom is actually
united. <g>  (Having been to Scotland, I know better.)

Ann
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Melody, I think the story you're looking for is  "Joined" by LJE. It's an
nfiction.
take care
Nicole

No Name Available schrieb:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to remember the title of a fanfic I read a while ago.  In the
> story Lois has just returned to her apartment, still in her wedding dress,
> after Perry & Jimmy stop the wedding with Lex, and she is crying.  Kal-El
was
> never sent to Earth because Krypton didn't explode.  He senses her
distress
> and comes to her by telepathy and later comes to her for real.
>
> Does anyone recall the title of this fanfic?
>
> Thanks, Melody

--
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
NKWolke@eifel-net.net

"God, you really have a hard head," he heard her say and he watched her
beautiful
mouth starting to smile hesitantly. "If I'm going to have a bump and start
looking like Frankenstein's monster, you'll have to pay, Mister."
Clark wanted to tell her that she could never look like a monster. He wanted
to
tell her that she was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. He wanted
to ask
her out, to marry him and have his kids, but no sound came over his lips.

"Heartache tonight", by the L&CFanfiction Team, coming soon (?) to an
archive
near you.
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Inspector,

Thanks for your co-operation in this mess.  Hopefully it will all be over=

soon.  I think that Clark and I might take a short vacation when we wrap
this up.  Me take a vacation?  It's strange how impending mother hood wil=
l
change a person's view.

Yours Lois and Clark
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Dear Mother,

Suddenly that 'word' takes on a whole new meaning, for both of us.

First things first.  Mother I'm not sure who you sat with while she died,=

but it wasn't Lara Wells.  Superman flew Lara directly to Star Labs and D=
r
Klein was looking after her, though I believe she is now in the care of a=

friend of his, who it appears might be be able to help her.  I'm not even=

sure that this friend's facility is in Metropolis or even the US but Lara=

was a unique being and I think she requires special treatment.

I expect the young woman who died was comforted by your presence, Mother,=

so it was a very kind act and you should feel proud that you were given a=

chance to make a difference in such a sad situation.

About your other news;  Are you sure?  Can you be......... you
know......isn't it more likely to be the menopause?

I should congratulate you and I do wish you and Daddy well.  It is
Daddy's?!   Well of course it is.  Until you mentioned Chateau Roberge I
just never considered that you and he were..... well that things had move=
d
along to the point where you were...... you know.  I mean, Clark doesn't
even think his parents do 'that' anymore.  Which is crazy, I know.  But a=

baby?!

I've just gotten used to having one of my own and you know mother that I'=
m
considered a little 'old' to be having a baby, so what the medical
profession must be thinking of you?

I'm sorry, I know this isn't the reaction you were expecting, especially
when you were so thrilled about Clark and me having a baby.  But I'm
worried too, are you all right?  Is it safe for you?  Is it safe for the
baby?

And I'm babbling and Clark is telling me to calm down.  And that's what
I'll do.  I'll close now and get back to you later when I'm not so
stressed.

Oh and Clark sends his love and best wishes.  He always wanted to be part=

of a 'big' family and this one is getting bigger by the day.

Love Lois and Clark
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Dear Lucy,

Have you spoken to Mother lately?  Has she started drinking again?

Oh, that's mean of me; it's just that I'm a lttle shocked.  Hah!  I'm
shocked big time!

First she sent me a message telling me that she sat with Lara Wells at th=
e
hospital as the poor girl died.  Lara Wells was never near Met Gen. =

Whoever this girl was I have no idea but according to mother she looked
just like me.  Maybe, Mxyzpltlk sent out an understudy, OY!

And then she tells me, and this is the big one, Lucy, .... she's pregnant=
! =

Mother is pregnant!  I wonder if Daddy knows?  Right now I'm not sure how=
 I
feel about this.  If she's happy and she does seem pleased then I ought t=
o
be, but it's worrying too.  There are so many things that could go wrong.=

BTW thank you for your help with our investigation.   We've managed to ti=
e
Harriet Dow to the bombing.  Would you believe that Chemco Fireworks was =
a
front for an explosives factory and  she hired herself out as an explosiv=
es
expert for, I might add, a very high fee?

You might be wondering about the musical question; this get's clever here=
. =

Harry Dow drove a van into the underground car park of the Planet.  It's =
my
guess that she had checked out the structural engineers' and builders'
blueprints of the DP building and knew exactly where to park the van for =

maximum effect.   The van was stacked with peanut butter jars filled with=

an array of chemicals which would be highly explosive when combined.  She=

then left the van with the doors ajar and walked off a strategic distance=

and activated her tuning fork whose sound waves burst open the jars,
allowing the chemicals to mix and then..... boom!  The chemical reaction
probably took a few moments to occur giving Harry enough time to leave th=
e
building safely.

Never thought mama's pet, little prim-and-proper Miss Harriet Dow would
become an assasin.  Oh well, that's life.

Lucy, this is off the record for the moment.  You can't tell anyone until=

this investigation is wrapped up.  There's a big boss lurking in the
background here and Clark and I are determined to nail him.  Besides, the=

Planet deserves the 'scoop' on this one so please, keep this to yourself.=

Love you, sis.
Lois =
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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:15:23 +0100 Wendy Richards
<ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:

Quoting Kathy:
>> Actually, I think Clark almost never refers to Lex Luthor by "Lex".
He calls him "Luthor" while Lois calls him "Lex". I believe this is
true not only in first season, but in the third as well. <<

Well, it's either that or "scumbag", and Clark is too polite.... <g>

> Yes, Kathy's quite correct. Even as Superman Clark called him Luthor
to his face and also referred to him as Luthor when speaking of him to
someone else. And Lois continued to call him Lex. Must have caused
Clark just a little concern, I'd have thought! <

Yes and no. Just talking about the man would have been painful enough
for Clark, and Lois _was_ engaged to the swine.... Really, it's a
matter of their respective relations with him; Lois was a close friend,
or was dating him at least, so it's natural for her to refer to him by
his first name, whereas Clark only ever had a professional or
adversarial relationship with him, and is too polite to do anything
other than use his surname as a less-than-formal means of address.
Basically, they kept on doing what they'd got in the habit of doing in
the first series -- which was unwise, IMO, for Lois, because it kept
Luthor thinking that she had feelings for him (as in The Phoenix).

This was something that I was always running up against in the S6
finale. It was easy enough for me to have L&C use their usual names for
Luthor (and Alex used whatever he felt like, just so long as it was
disrespectful <g>), but _I_ had problems when I had to refer to him
repeatedly. Given my druthers, because I dislike the character quite
intensely, I'd copy Clark and only ever refer to him by his surname,
but there's a limit to how often you can do that, particularly when you
have to make a distinction between Luthor and another male character
(so "him" is potentially ambiguous), which meant that I had to bite the
bullet and use "Lex" occasionally to break the monotony. I did it, but
it rankled.

I've only ever had Clark use "Lex" once (in an unfinished "Luthor-bash"
fic), and then the whole point of it was that it was short and could
have a truckload of venom pumped into the word, as in all the best
Anglo-Saxon swearing.... <g>

Phil, who is _seriously_ annoyed about the latest wrinkle in the comics
involving Luthor (Superman #151). The sooner someone wises those clowns
up and has him taken down several gazillion pegs, the better!
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 Therefore I am... I think?"  |         Phil Atcliffe
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> Dawn, this is hilarious!  I'm a little confused though. Is this all
> your doing or is Labrat in on this?

Umm... it's the diary of Dr Klein's Labrat. Dawn merely 'found' the
extracts in the laboratory while cleaning up....   <g>

Wendy

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Ann wrote:

>This reminds me of a novel I once read in which a character, a resident of
>the south of France, said, "Scotland, zat is zee north of England, n'est-ce
>pas?"  I suppose some people think that the United Kingdom is actually
>united. <g>  (Having been to Scotland, I know better.)
>
More than a few, Ann. Sigh.....  And using England when you mean UK, Britain
or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is about on par as an insult in
this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the 1800s that the Alamo
belongs to the Mexicans. ;) We don't mind people using UK, but we darn
tooting mind England being seen as the *entire* UK. Mind you, what can we
expect of the rest of the world when the English TV establishment has
habitually used England to mean UK for years. Although they are being so
careful to avoid doing it with we Scots now that we have our own Parliament
it's hilarious to watch. <G> You can just see the memo going round. (Another
notable habit that used to provoke great hilarity this side of the border
was sports commentators. You could always tell when a Scottish player was
winning - suddenly he stopped being Scottish and became British instead. :)

LabRat :) (having nothing against our English cousins personally, but not
liking being seen as English herself, since she ain't. ;)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk

PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!

"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
L. Mencken
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In a message dated 10/12/1999 6:50:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK writes:

<< And using England when you mean UK, Britain
 or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is about on par as an insult in
 this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the 1800s that the Alamo
 belongs to the Mexicans. ;) We don't mind people using UK, but we darn
 tooting mind England being seen as the *entire* UK. Mind you, what can we
 expect of the rest of the world when the English TV establishment has
 habitually used England to mean UK for years >>

And the U.S. Postal Service lists you all as "Great Britain" in its
International Mail Manual, so that's how they expect us to address snail
mail
to you...

--Laurie
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On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:12:21 +0100 LabRat
<labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
>
>
> I cannot believe that this was submitted to the Archive in August of this
> year and I'm only now catching up with it, but anyway....

Well, it only appeared on the Archive on Sunday. <g>

> It's a
> beautifully crafted little vignette about Lois dealing with the immediate
> aftermath of Clark leaving for New Krypton. And it includes a highly
> original idea as explanation as to why Clark and Lois chose not to
> consummate their relationship in BGF which stunned me in its simplicity.

LabRat is quite right: it's a terrific story. And I *had* intended to
tell Chris so; Chris, next time I write I will, okay?! It's a
beautiful short story, doing exactly what I like these 'missing
scenes' stories to do: showing me exactly what the characters were
thinking or feeling at particular points. Chris is an extremely
talented writer, and all I can say is that the 'Best new author'
category in the Kerths 2000 will be very hotly contested. I already
want to nominate about four or five different people, including
Chris, and deciding who to vote for will be a nightmare!

Wendy
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat
<labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:

> More than a few, Ann. Sigh.....  And using England when you mean UK,
Britain
> or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is about on par as an insult
in
> this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the 1800s that the Alamo
> belongs to the Mexicans. ;)

And it gets worse... like the assumption that Ireland (and I use that
term to indicate the larger land-mass, excluding those pesky six
counties to the north-east) is somehow part of England or the UK! I
lose count of the errors and assumptions... like talking to a Brit
and explaining that I'm from Dublin and being asked 'Is that in
Northern Ireland?' Or arranging insurance and explaining that I'm
taking my car over to Dublin and being told, 'that's still in Britain
so there's no problem...' - EXCUSE ME?? Different country!

Or Americans (presumably not of Irish extraction) who ask if I'm
from England, I say 'Ireland', they say 'same difference'...!

And, to refer to LabRat's other point - get an Irish writer, pop
star, actor etc who makes good, and suddenly they're British. Like
Pierce Brosnan is British, Roddy Doyle is British, U2 and Boyzone are
British bands....

Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same problem in relation to
their next-door neighbours?  <g>

Wendy
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TITLE: Just Like That...?
PART: 5/7
AUTHOR: Pam Jernigan (jernigan@bellsouth.net)
RATING: PG
FEEDBACK: Any and all kinds accepted, in public or private.  I'm still
working on this, so I'll take any helpful comments.
SUMMARY: Asabi has switched Lois (Wanda) into the body of a blond clone
-- now that she's remembered who she is, she has to convince Clark.

***

An hour later, Lois wearily trudged up to Clark's apartment door,
realizing belatedly that she didn't have a key.  Swell.  She was
pondering her options when the door was yanked open from the inside.

"Where have you been?" demanded an agitated Clark.  "I've been fl--
looking for you everywhere."

Taken aback, she stared at him.  "You worried about me?"  Hope began to
stir within her.

"I--" he stopped, his face working through an unreadable combination of
emotions.  "I wanted to keep an eye on you, you said you were in
danger."

"Oh, yeah," she replied flatly, lowering her face to try to conceal the
pain she knew was written there.  She brushed past him into the
apartment.  "That.  I was out trying to get a job."

"You didn't go to the Planet?"  He closed the door behind her.

"No.  I can't, yet.  Perry doesn't know who I am, and Lex would find
me.  I just need something so I can get a place to stay."  Just until I
can convince you that I'm me, she didn't add aloud.

"Ah," he replied.  "Have you ... eaten anything?  I can get takeout."

She forced a social smile.  "No, actually, so that sounds great."  She
sank down onto the couch, and politely pretended not to notice when he
zipped out of the apartment and reappeared a minute later with two large
bags of food.

They spent a few companionable moments apportioning out lunch.  Lois
broke the silence.  "So ... you've got to have questions."

He nodded.  "Yeah.  How did ... this ... happen?" he asked, gesturing
towards her new face and body.

"I'm not entirely sure," she confessed.  "I don't think I understood it
at the time, and my memory is kinda patchy.  But it was something Asabi
came up with -- he called it a soul transfer.  We had these clone bodies
-- one for Lex, and one for me."  She shivered.  "They were kinda
creepy, just lying there -- they were alive, but ... empty.  Anyway,
Asabi did this ceremony, and we were supposed to close our eyes and
meditate.  I smelled some ... incense, or something ... and then there
was a wave of dizziness, and then I heard someone telling me to wake
up.  And I was like this."  She felt tears prickle her eyelids.  "I saw
my body, lying there.  Asabi said that our old bodies would just stop
functioning, without our spirits in them  Do you know what happened...?"
She glanced hesitantly at him.

A muscle was jumping in his jaw, but other than that his face was a mask
of calm.  "We buried Lois two days after we found the body.  The autopsy
called it heart failure, but by the time we found her ... I don't know
how much they could have found."

Lois shivered again, and took a deep breath and hurried on with her
story.  "After that, we just walked out, and left the country.  We had
false papers and no one recognized our faces, so there weren't any
problems.  Except," she added, with a trace of dark humor, "that Lex had
trouble convincing people who he was.  That slowed us up in a number of
places.  It made him furious.  I just laughed...."  Her humor drained
away.  "I guess I'm paying for that now."

She twisted her napkin in her lap.  "Anyway, I finally realized who I
was in Italy, and ran away from him.  Took me over a week to get back to
the States, and a couple more days to sneak into Metropolis.  I don't
think he knows I'm here yet, but he'll be looking for me sooner or
later.  He has to know I'd come back here.  That's why I'm staying away
from the Planet, and my family, but Clark, I *know* this city.  This
morning, I got a new identity -- I'm now Paula Bainbridge, by the way --
and this afternoon I'll have to find a job of some sort.  I don't know
what, yet, but I'll find something."  She vented a humorless laugh.  "If
nothing else, I know how to type."

She looked up then, and found that he was watching her intently, his
emotions hidden behind a bland surface.  It unnerved her.

"If you know Lex will be looking for you, why did you come here?"

His facade of indifference was too much for her.  "Because I *need* you,
Clark!  Not just to help me out with this, but in my life!  I can deal
with the rest of this mess but not without you...."  She rose and
approached him, holding out a hand, aching to touch him, to hold him and
be held.  "Clark, can't you tell that this is me here?  Can't you just
*feel* it?  Please, try--"

"No!" he interrupted roughly, his face twisting in sudden fury.  "Look,
whoever you are -- my fiancee died five weeks ago -- three days after we
were supposed to have gotten married.  She was kidnapped right out of
the church, and I didn't even *know* about it for two days!"  The words
flowed out of him in an angry torrent, and he began to pace the floor,
restlessly gesturing his hurt and frustration.

Lois shrank into herself, letting him pour out his tension, reluctantly
compelled to learn what he had experienced once she had been taken away.

"She was replaced by a clone, you know.  Looked just like her.  On my
wedding night, the night that was supposed to be the most perfect night
of my life, it all started going wrong.  She was tired, she was busy,
she wanted Superman.  I tried everything I knew, and nothing was
working, nothing felt right.

"Then I figured out why," he laughed darkly at his own foolishness.  "It
was because this woman wasn't my wife at all -- my Lois, the love of my
life, the woman no one can ever replace," he emphasized with an angry
look at his visitor, "had been stolen from me, and I didn't even know
about it for two whole days!"

Lois flinched at the rage in his voice.  He was dangerously close to
losing control.

"And you know the real bitch of the matter?"  He stared belligerently at
her, and she hesitantly shook her head.

"The thing is, I found her.  She was ... confused, I think.  She didn't
know who she was, or who I was, although she pretended she did...." he
frowned, still not quite sure what had transpired.  "But it was her.  I
had her right there...." He pounded his fist on the back of a chair, not
even pausing when it collapsed from the blow, his eyes closed in
anguish, his hands reaching out in vain to change the past.

When he finally spoke again, his voice was subdued, all passion drained
away.

"She didn't want to come with me.  That killed me.  For a moment, I
almost believed ... and she got away again.  The next time I saw her,
she was dead."  He sat down on the step, burying his face in his hands.

Lois drew in a long, shaky breath, fighting tears.  This ordeal had been
hard on her, but it had been no easier on him. "Oh, Clark," she murmured
sorrowfully.

He looked up, startled by the reminder of her presence, and she was
chilled by the rejection she saw in his eyes.

"Go."  One word, implacable.

"I'm going," she replied, willing to give him the time and space to
recover from this outburst, knowing that he could not yet accept comfort
from her.  "I'll let you know where to find me."

He watched, silent and unmoving, as she let herself out of the
apartment.

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"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
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but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
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<aaaarrrggghh>
Pam, how could you do this to me? I wouldn't believe it when you said
yesterday it's going to be worse.
What do you want from me if I'd ask you to send me the final two parts
today?
Chocolate? Signed picture of Dean? ;-)

Your story is just so terrific. Can't wait to read more! :)

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Wendy Richards wrote:
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat
> <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:
>
> > More than a few, Ann. Sigh.....  And using England when you mean UK,
Britain
> > or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is about on par as an insult
in
> > this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the 1800s that the Alamo
> > belongs to the Mexicans. ;)
>
> And it gets worse... like the assumption that Ireland (and I use that
> term to indicate the larger land-mass, excluding those pesky six
> counties to the north-east) is somehow part of England or the UK! I
> lose count of the errors and assumptions... like talking to a Brit
> and explaining that I'm from Dublin and being asked 'Is that in
> Northern Ireland?' Or arranging insurance and explaining that I'm
> taking my car over to Dublin and being told, 'that's still in Britain
> so there's no problem...' - EXCUSE ME?? Different country!
>
> Or Americans (presumably not of Irish extraction) who ask if I'm
> from England, I say 'Ireland', they say 'same difference'...!
>
> And, to refer to LabRat's other point - get an Irish writer, pop
> star, actor etc who makes good, and suddenly they're British. Like
> Pierce Brosnan is British, Roddy Doyle is British, U2 and Boyzone are
> British bands....
>
> Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same problem in relation to
> their next-door neighbours?  <g>

Don't know.  I suppose.  As you may recall, during the hostage situation
in Iran, a small group of Americans were passed off as Canadians by our
friends from the North in order to escape, which was a lovely and kind
gesture.

But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people referring only to the
United States as America when we're the United States *of* America.  In
other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're from America,
aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm introducing the topic, *I*
always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the U.S." or "I'm going
back to the States," etc.  I never say *just* America because the
American continents are more than just the U.S.  There's North America,
Central America, South America, and that covers a lot of countries.

I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is generally accepted.
After all, even Americans use it in songs and other popular references.
<cue Ray Charles.>

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--- Sandy McDermin <smcdermin@EROLS.COM> wrote:
> Wendy Richards wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat
> > <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:
> >
> > > More than a few, Ann. Sigh.....  And using
> England when you mean UK, Britain
> > > or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is
> about on par as an insult in
> > > this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the
> 1800s that the Alamo
> > > belongs to the Mexicans. ;)
> >
> > And it gets worse... like the assumption that
> Ireland (and I use that
> > term to indicate the larger land-mass, excluding
> those pesky six
> > counties to the north-east) is somehow part of
> England or the UK! I
> > lose count of the errors and assumptions... like
> talking to a Brit
> > and explaining that I'm from Dublin and being
> asked 'Is that in
> > Northern Ireland?' Or arranging insurance and
> explaining that I'm
> > taking my car over to Dublin and being told,
> 'that's still in Britain
> > so there's no problem...' - EXCUSE ME?? Different
> country!
> >
> > Or Americans (presumably not of Irish extraction)
> who ask if I'm
> > from England, I say 'Ireland', they say 'same
> difference'...!
> >
> > And, to refer to LabRat's other point - get an
> Irish writer, pop
> > star, actor etc who makes good, and suddenly
> they're British. Like
> > Pierce Brosnan is British, Roddy Doyle is British,
> U2 and Boyzone are
> > British bands....
> >
> > Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same
> problem in relation to
> > their next-door neighbours?  <g>
>
> Don't know.  I suppose.  As you may recall, during
> the hostage situation
> in Iran, a small group of Americans were passed off
> as Canadians by our
> friends from the North in order to escape, which was
> a lovely and kind
> gesture.

This brings to mind a wonderful experience I had.
Very shortly after the Americans (the U.S. variety
<g>) escaped from Iran with the help of Canada, I went
to visit a friend who had moved to Dallas.  I didn't
have to buy one drink or a restaurant meal the whole
time I was there.  All I had to do was open my mouth
and say something in my Canadian accent and everything
was provided for me.  Very hospitable!  Needless to
say, I had a wonderful time. Felt a bit sorry for my
friend though. She's Canadian too, but she had been in
Dallas for a year and had picked up a Texan accent
so... no freebies for her!

>
> But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people
> referring only to the
> United States as America when we're the United
> States *of* America.  In
> other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're
> from America,
> aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm
> introducing the topic, *I*
> always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the
> U.S." or "I'm going
> back to the States," etc.  I never say *just*
> America because the
> American continents are more than just the U.S.
> There's North America,
> Central America, South America, and that covers a
> lot of countries.

And, at the same time, if I'm asked if I'm American,
I'm very quick to say, "No, I'm Canadian."
>
> I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is
> generally accepted.
> After all, even Americans use it in songs and other
> popular references.
> <cue Ray Charles.>

Hate to point it out, Sandy, but you used it yourself
this way in your above paragraph about Iran. <g>

Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

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> > Don't know.  I suppose.  As you may recall, during
> > the hostage situation
> > in Iran, a small group of Americans were passed off
> > as Canadians by our
> > friends from the North in order to escape, which was
> > a lovely and kind
> > gesture.
>
> This brings to mind a wonderful experience I had.
> Very shortly after the Americans (the U.S. variety
> <g>) escaped from Iran with the help of Canada, I went
> to visit a friend who had moved to Dallas.  I didn't
> have to buy one drink or a restaurant meal the whole
> time I was there.  All I had to do was open my mouth
> and say something in my Canadian accent and everything
> was provided for me.  Very hospitable!  Needless to
> say, I had a wonderful time. Felt a bit sorry for my
> friend though. She's Canadian too, but she had been in
> Dallas for a year and had picked up a Texan accent
> so... no freebies for her!
>
> >
> > But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people
> > referring only to the
> > United States as America when we're the United
> > States *of* America.  In
> > other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're
> > from America,
> > aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm
> > introducing the topic, *I*
> > always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the
> > U.S." or "I'm going
> > back to the States," etc.  I never say *just*
> > America because the
> > American continents are more than just the U.S.
> > There's North America,
> > Central America, South America, and that covers a
> > lot of countries.
>
> And, at the same time, if I'm asked if I'm American,
> I'm very quick to say, "No, I'm Canadian."
> >
> > I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is
> > generally accepted.
> > After all, even Americans use it in songs and other
> > popular references.
> > <cue Ray Charles.>
>
> Hate to point it out, Sandy, but you used it yourself
> this way in your above paragraph about Iran. <g>

Where?

Sandy
smcdermin@erols.com
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Dear 'friend,'

Thank you for sending these papers for my attention. I have
scrutinised them carefully and found them to be most interesting,
though not especially newsworthy so far as the Daily Planet is
concerned. I do indeed know Superman, and should I meet him in the
near future I will mention their contents to him.

I will, however, endeavour to keep these documents out of the hands
of the Metropolis Star. Were they to hear of an intelligent Rat, even
more so one who could write, I'm afraid your Rat friend would not
enjoy the comfort of her cage and her laboratory friends for very
much longer.

I enclose three new pencils, sharpened but unused. Perhaps you could
manage to slip these in through the cage when Dr Klein's back is
turned?

Yours sincerely,

CLARK KENT

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:20:28 -0400 Rich & Dawn
<rfield@ROANOKE.INFI.NET> wrote:

> Personal and Confidential
> Mr. Clark Kent
> Daily Planet
>
> Dear Mr. Kent,
>
> We have not had the pleasure of being formally introduced, though I have
> seen you at Star Labs on numerous occasions.  I work the night shift in
the
> laboratory.  One evening while I was cleaning up from an experiment that
had
> gone awry, I found the enclosed scrap of paper on the floor near one of
the
> tables where the experiments are set up.  As it pertains to Superman, and
I
> know you and he are friends, I thought this may be of interest to you.  I
> have no idea who could have written this.  It is obviously someone's idea
of
> a joke, but I thought it may contain some pertainent information for
> Superman.
>
> Signed
> A friend
>
> ************

----------------------
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w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK>
wrote:

> Ann wrote:
>> This reminds me of a novel I once read in which a character, a
resident of the south of France, said, "Scotland, zat is zee north of
England, n'est-ce pas?" <<

Oh, he's obviously seen that map showing London schoolkids' view of
"England". Scotland and Yorkshire are both at the top of the map,
roughly of equal size, one pointing to the left and one to the right.
Of course, this is the map that has the M1 ending at Watford and the
Trains ending at Birmingham (or is it the other way around?). Anyway,
just about everything north of the Great White City is beyond the pale.
[NOTE: that's what the _map_ says, not ME!]

>> I suppose some people think that the United Kingdom is actually
united. <g> (Having been to Scotland, I know better.) <<

And isn't it a shame? I live in dread of a time when the Nationalists
of all ilks have their way and this country breaks up into a lot of
tiny, insignificant mini-nations who spend all their time squabbling --
not unlike, say, Yugoslavia, though hopefully without the bloodshed.

> More than a few, Ann. Sigh.... And using England when you mean UK,
Britain or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is about on par as
an insult in this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the 1800s
that the Alamo belongs to the Mexicans. ;) We don't mind people using
UK, but we darn tooting mind England being seen as the *entire* UK. <

Blame "Johnny Foreigner" for that. My experience has been that most
English people are happy to claim that they're British, and so are a
lot of Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish, but it's people from outside
who get it wrong. The Yanks are the worst that way, especially business
people; they _cannot_ get their heads around the notion that England is
part of the UK, not the other way around.... <groan>

And then, of course, the French have been doing the same thing ever
since 1707. Maybe that's where the US got it from....

> Mind you, what can we expect of the rest of the world when the
English TV establishment has habitually used England to mean UK for
years. <

Really? Never seen that myself; would you care to give some examples?

> Another notable habit that used to provoke great hilarity this side
of the border was sports commentators. You could always tell when a
Scottish player was winning - suddenly he stopped being Scottish and
became British instead. :) <

Shades of the Australian boxer who was always described by the BBC (at
least when he won) as "this French-born Australian", as though having a
European connection (not even British) somehow made him more
respectable.

> LabRat :) (having nothing against our English cousins personally, but
not liking being seen as English herself, since she ain't. ;)

Phil, who, like most UK-descended Australians, is "British Isles
Mongrel" -- i.e., I have English, Scottish, Welsh _and_ Irish ancestry,
and would like to be proud of them all, If only they'd shut up about it
and get along with one another.

PS.
> Doc. Klein's LabRat
> labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk
> PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!
                     ^
Hey, Labrat, are you going in for spelling reform or something?
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:54:39 -0400 Phillip Atcliffe
<Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK> wrote:

> I've only ever had Clark use "Lex" once (in an unfinished "Luthor-bash"
> fic), and then the whole point of it was that it was short and could
> have a truckload of venom pumped into the word, as in all the best
> Anglo-Saxon swearing.... <g>

Unfinished...? Phil, how dare you torture us like this! Why isn't it
finished? Why isn't it posted here so we can all read it?

Wendy
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--- Sandy McDermin <smcdermin@EROLS.COM> wrote:
> > > Don't know.  I suppose.  As you may recall,
> during
> > > the hostage situation
> > > in Iran, a small group of Americans were passed
> off
> > > as Canadians by our
> > > friends from the North in order to escape, which
> was
> > > a lovely and kind
> > > gesture.
<snip>
> > Hate to point it out, Sandy, but you used it
> yourself
> > this way in your above paragraph about Iran. <g>
>
> Where?

"A small group of Americans" in above paragraph.
Irene

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This reminds me of an Australian film shown here recently.  An Irishman
comes to Australia.  He's in a pub when one of the locals asks him if he's
English.  (BTW, the Irish accent is very strong).  The Irish guys say no,
he's from Ireland.  The local replies "Same diff"

The Irishman asks the local what part of New Zealand he comes from.  The
local says "New Zealand?  I'm Australian"  and the Irishman says "Same
diff".

Well, I found it amusing :)

jem

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> --- Sandy McDermin <smcdermin@EROLS.COM> wrote:
> > Wendy Richards wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat
> > > <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:
> > >
> > > > More than a few, Ann. Sigh.....  And using
> > England when you mean UK, Britain
> > > > or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is
> > about on par as an insult in
> > > > this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the
> > 1800s that the Alamo
> > > > belongs to the Mexicans. ;)
> > >
> > > And it gets worse... like the assumption that
> > Ireland (and I use that
> > > term to indicate the larger land-mass, excluding
> > those pesky six
> > > counties to the north-east) is somehow part of
> > England or the UK! I
> > > lose count of the errors and assumptions... like
> > talking to a Brit
> > > and explaining that I'm from Dublin and being
> > asked 'Is that in
> > > Northern Ireland?' Or arranging insurance and
> > explaining that I'm
> > > taking my car over to Dublin and being told,
> > 'that's still in Britain
> > > so there's no problem...' - EXCUSE ME?? Different
> > country!
> > >
> > > Or Americans (presumably not of Irish extraction)
> > who ask if I'm
> > > from England, I say 'Ireland', they say 'same
> > difference'...!
> > >
> > > And, to refer to LabRat's other point - get an
> > Irish writer, pop
> > > star, actor etc who makes good, and suddenly
> > they're British. Like
> > > Pierce Brosnan is British, Roddy Doyle is British,
> > U2 and Boyzone are
> > > British bands....
> > >
> > > Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same
> > problem in relation to
> > > their next-door neighbours?  <g>
> >
> > Don't know.  I suppose.  As you may recall, during
> > the hostage situation
> > in Iran, a small group of Americans were passed off
> > as Canadians by our
> > friends from the North in order to escape, which was
> > a lovely and kind
> > gesture.
>
> This brings to mind a wonderful experience I had.
> Very shortly after the Americans (the U.S. variety
> <g>) escaped from Iran with the help of Canada, I went
> to visit a friend who had moved to Dallas.  I didn't
> have to buy one drink or a restaurant meal the whole
> time I was there.  All I had to do was open my mouth
> and say something in my Canadian accent and everything
> was provided for me.  Very hospitable!  Needless to
> say, I had a wonderful time. Felt a bit sorry for my
> friend though. She's Canadian too, but she had been in
> Dallas for a year and had picked up a Texan accent
> so... no freebies for her!
>
>
> >
> > But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people
> > referring only to the
> > United States as America when we're the United
> > States *of* America.  In
> > other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're
> > from America,
> > aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm
> > introducing the topic, *I*
> > always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the
> > U.S." or "I'm going
> > back to the States," etc.  I never say *just*
> > America because the
> > American continents are more than just the U.S.
> > There's North America,
> > Central America, South America, and that covers a
> > lot of countries.
>
> And, at the same time, if I'm asked if I'm American,
> I'm very quick to say, "No, I'm Canadian."
> >
> > I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is
> > generally accepted.
> > After all, even Americans use it in songs and other
> > popular references.
> > <cue Ray Charles.>
>
> Hate to point it out, Sandy, but you used it yourself
> this way in your above paragraph about Iran. <g>
>
> Irene
> sirenegold@yahoo.com
>
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Well, let's see now...
I've heard of Australians who identify themselves as such and are asked how
blue the Danube really is.
The other common reactions to telling people I'm from Australia include
* " gee, but you sound British"
* "Oh, I used to have a friend in Australia... somewhere in um... Sydney...
maybe you know him?"
and
* "Do you really have kangaroos for pets?"

All of the above get answered with a very definite YES... (with an aside of
"Did you know they've taken the word "gullible" out of the dictionary?")

Jen
At 08:24 AM 12/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Wendy Richards wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat
>> <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:
>>
>> > More than a few, Ann. Sigh.....  And using England when you mean UK,
Britain
>> > or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is about on par as an
insult in
>> > this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the 1800s that the Alamo
>> > belongs to the Mexicans. ;)
>>
>> And it gets worse... like the assumption that Ireland (and I use that
>> term to indicate the larger land-mass, excluding those pesky six
>> counties to the north-east) is somehow part of England or the UK! I
>> lose count of the errors and assumptions... like talking to a Brit
>> and explaining that I'm from Dublin and being asked 'Is that in
>> Northern Ireland?' Or arranging insurance and explaining that I'm
>> taking my car over to Dublin and being told, 'that's still in Britain
>> so there's no problem...' - EXCUSE ME?? Different country!
>>
>> Or Americans (presumably not of Irish extraction) who ask if I'm
>> from England, I say 'Ireland', they say 'same difference'...!
>>
>> And, to refer to LabRat's other point - get an Irish writer, pop
>> star, actor etc who makes good, and suddenly they're British. Like
>> Pierce Brosnan is British, Roddy Doyle is British, U2 and Boyzone are
>> British bands....
>>
>> Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same problem in relation to
>> their next-door neighbours?  <g>
>
>Don't know.  I suppose.  As you may recall, during the hostage situation
>in Iran, a small group of Americans were passed off as Canadians by our
>friends from the North in order to escape, which was a lovely and kind
>gesture.
>
>But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people referring only to the
>United States as America when we're the United States *of* America.  In
>other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're from America,
>aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm introducing the topic, *I*
>always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the U.S." or "I'm going
>back to the States," etc.  I never say *just* America because the
>American continents are more than just the U.S.  There's North America,
>Central America, South America, and that covers a lot of countries.
>
>I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is generally accepted.
>After all, even Americans use it in songs and other popular references.
><cue Ray Charles.>
>
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LOL!
On the other hand, with the referendum on the republic coming up in less
than a month, they're currently airing a fascinating series in the style of
The Civil War from the US a couple of years ago, about the history of
Australian Federation (ini 1901, we stopped being a set of 6 colonies of
Britain, and became a Commonwealth).  Apparently, when they were trying to
sort out the Constitution, New Zealand was included and it was possible
(until they bowed out) that they would have been part of this Great
Commonwealth, and that Western Australia may not have been!  (Not that WA
shouldn't secede, but that's another topic altogether).
Jen
At 10:57 PM 12/10/99 +1000, you wrote:
>This reminds me of an Australian film shown here recently.  An Irishman
>comes to Australia.  He's in a pub when one of the locals asks him if he's
>English.  (BTW, the Irish accent is very strong).  The Irish guys say no,
>he's from Ireland.  The local replies "Same diff"
>
>The Irishman asks the local what part of New Zealand he comes from.  The
>local says "New Zealand?  I'm Australian"  and the Irishman says "Same
>diff".
>
>Well, I found it amusing :)
>
>jem
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Irene D. <sirenegold@YAHOO.COM>
>To: <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 10:45 PM
>Subject: Re: OT: Where I'm From (was Dear Diary comments)
>
>
>> --- Sandy McDermin <smcdermin@EROLS.COM> wrote:
>> > Wendy Richards wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat
>> > > <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > More than a few, Ann. Sigh.....  And using
>> > England when you mean UK, Britain
>> > > > or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is
>> > about on par as an insult in
>> > > > this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the
>> > 1800s that the Alamo
>> > > > belongs to the Mexicans. ;)
>> > >
>> > > And it gets worse... like the assumption that
>> > Ireland (and I use that
>> > > term to indicate the larger land-mass, excluding
>> > those pesky six
>> > > counties to the north-east) is somehow part of
>> > England or the UK! I
>> > > lose count of the errors and assumptions... like
>> > talking to a Brit
>> > > and explaining that I'm from Dublin and being
>> > asked 'Is that in
>> > > Northern Ireland?' Or arranging insurance and
>> > explaining that I'm
>> > > taking my car over to Dublin and being told,
>> > 'that's still in Britain
>> > > so there's no problem...' - EXCUSE ME?? Different
>> > country!
>> > >
>> > > Or Americans (presumably not of Irish extraction)
>> > who ask if I'm
>> > > from England, I say 'Ireland', they say 'same
>> > difference'...!
>> > >
>> > > And, to refer to LabRat's other point - get an
>> > Irish writer, pop
>> > > star, actor etc who makes good, and suddenly
>> > they're British. Like
>> > > Pierce Brosnan is British, Roddy Doyle is British,
>> > U2 and Boyzone are
>> > > British bands....
>> > >
>> > > Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same
>> > problem in relation to
>> > > their next-door neighbours?  <g>
>> >
>> > Don't know.  I suppose.  As you may recall, during
>> > the hostage situation
>> > in Iran, a small group of Americans were passed off
>> > as Canadians by our
>> > friends from the North in order to escape, which was
>> > a lovely and kind
>> > gesture.
>>
>> This brings to mind a wonderful experience I had.
>> Very shortly after the Americans (the U.S. variety
>> <g>) escaped from Iran with the help of Canada, I went
>> to visit a friend who had moved to Dallas.  I didn't
>> have to buy one drink or a restaurant meal the whole
>> time I was there.  All I had to do was open my mouth
>> and say something in my Canadian accent and everything
>> was provided for me.  Very hospitable!  Needless to
>> say, I had a wonderful time. Felt a bit sorry for my
>> friend though. She's Canadian too, but she had been in
>> Dallas for a year and had picked up a Texan accent
>> so... no freebies for her!
>>
>>
>> >
>> > But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people
>> > referring only to the
>> > United States as America when we're the United
>> > States *of* America.  In
>> > other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're
>> > from America,
>> > aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm
>> > introducing the topic, *I*
>> > always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the
>> > U.S." or "I'm going
>> > back to the States," etc.  I never say *just*
>> > America because the
>> > American continents are more than just the U.S.
>> > There's North America,
>> > Central America, South America, and that covers a
>> > lot of countries.
>>
>> And, at the same time, if I'm asked if I'm American,
>> I'm very quick to say, "No, I'm Canadian."
>> >
>> > I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is
>> > generally accepted.
>> > After all, even Americans use it in songs and other
>> > popular references.
>> > <cue Ray Charles.>
>>
>> Hate to point it out, Sandy, but you used it yourself
>> this way in your above paragraph about Iran. <g>
>>
>> Irene
>> sirenegold@yahoo.com
>>
>> =====
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>
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>And the U.S. Postal Service lists you all as "Great Britain" in its
>International Mail Manual, so that's how they expect us to address snail
mail
>to you...
>
Well, hooray for the US Postal Service. Who do I email to thank for getting
it right? <G> (Although Great Britain always seems terribly pompous and
arrogant to me. Britain would have done just fine. And....just to be
pedantic....I guess the absolute correct form would be Scotland, Great
Britain or Northern Ireland, Great Britain. :) But, hey, nice they made the
effort.

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This thread is a little more OT than normal. Maybe it should be retired to
private email? I'm sure we're boring everyone now. <G>

I wrote:

We don't mind people using
>UK, but we darn tooting mind England being seen as the *entire* UK. <

~~~Phil wrote:~~~
>
>Blame "Johnny Foreigner" for that. My experience has been that most
>English people are happy to claim that they're British, and so are a
>lot of Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish, but it's people from outside
>who get it wrong. The Yanks are the worst that way, especially business
>people; they _cannot_ get their heads around the notion that England is
>part of the UK, not the other way around.... <groan>

~~~Ah, Phil. I guess it depends which side of the border you're looking
from. Not for nothing has the great British Broadcasting Corporation been
habitually referred to as the EBC with a great deal of sardonic humour and
sometimes pique up here in the North for more years than I can count. I can
remember it being that way when I was a child. It's no more than a source of
mild irritation for me, not being a fervent Nationalist, but it has greatly
annoyed more than one Scot I've known and I *do* think that the BBC (and ITV
hasn't been that far behind them) carries a lot of the blame. Not all of it.
But you can't lay it at the door of foreigners entirely either. What else
are they to think when BBC news and sports programmes have habitually used
England to mean UK for decades? Haven't you ever heard tell of the flurry of
phone calls from 'those oversensitive Scots' that always followed a blatant
TV example? How about rioting English football supporters being referred to
as British? Haven't you heard how annoying that is to the Scots, whose
supporters are renowned throughout the world for their friendly good humour?
(Except for when they blotted their copybook recently. <G>) The BBC
certainly has. They get enough calls about it. And only recently has begun
to amend that one. And I'd agree - it's not the English people, per se, that
have been the problem, but the establishment. As I intimated, I think, in my
previous post.~~~
>
>> Mind you, what can we expect of the rest of the world when the
>English TV establishment has habitually used England to mean UK for
>years. <
>
>Really? Never seen that myself; would you care to give some examples?

~~~See above. Examples are ingrained into the history of the BBC, too many
to count. Take any typical news or sports programme in the last 50 years up
until six months ago and I can guarantee you'll find 10 examples of England
used where UK is meant without even looking hard. Up here, its been a source
of annoyance for years. Not to mention the lack of attention to Scottish
matters. Why did it take the BBC, for instance, until just a couple of
months before the new Parliament to give us Scots our own teletext news
page, as a supplement to the general UK page? The problem was obviously well
known enough for the Government to commission a report which demanded that
the Scots be given their own SBC - the only way, it concluded, the Scots
could be given parity in news matters. An idea which the BBC rejected, but
ever since
they've been bending over backwards to make sure that news programmes
include at least 3 items of Scottish news on average. A trend, I have to
say, which I
hate. When I don't find it amusing. We now suddenly have Newsnight Scotland,
which isn't a supplement but a replacement for half of the UK version. And
I'd much rather hear about what's happening in the UK and the world in
general, than
just in my own area. Course, it's not *just* Scotland. The North of England
has been equally neglected over the years. But at least they are English, so
the UK/England problem doesn't bother them, even if finding events in their
area of the world ignored does.~~~
>
>> LabRat :) (having nothing against our English cousins personally, but
>not liking being seen as English herself, since she ain't. ;)
>
>Phil, who, like most UK-descended Australians, is "British Isles
>Mongrel" -- i.e., I have English, Scottish, Welsh _and_ Irish ancestry,
>and would like to be proud of them all, If only they'd shut up about it
>and get along with one another.

~~~Well, perhaps you'll have your wish, Phil. I certainly join you in it.
And, when all four partners are seen as equal and treated as same, perhaps
those of us in Scotland, Wales and NI will feel less of a need to yell
loudly enough to get noticed. ;) ~~~
>
>PS.
>> Doc. Klein's LabRat
>> labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk
>> PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!
>                     ^
>Hey, Labrat, are you going in for spelling reform or something?

~~~Lost me here. <G> Eddress? It's not a typo - it's just easier and quicker
than typing in 'email address'. You wait - it'll turn up in Webster's before
long.~~~

LabRat :)
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Ha!!! Pitty! You old Teri-Fan you!!!

(Dean-Monster-Nicky lets out her most diabolic laughter)

As if you had a signed picture of the Dean-man!!!

Petra Steudle wrote:

> <aaaarrrggghh>
> Pam, how could you do this to me? I wouldn't believe it when you said
> yesterday it's going to be worse.
> What do you want from me if I'd ask you to send me the final two parts
> today?
> Chocolate? Signed picture of Dean? ;-)
> Your story is just so terrific. Can't wait to read more! :)

But okay, she's right! The story is wonderful, Pam!!!

(that said evil Dean-Monster-Nicky returns to her hovel :-) with *her*
signed Dean picture of course.)

--
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
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"God, you really have a hard head," he heard her say and he watched her
beautiful mouth starting to smile hesitantly. "If I'm going to have a bump
and start looking like Frankenstein's monster, you'll have to pay,
Mister."
Clark wanted to tell her that she could never look like a monster. He
wanted to tell her that she was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen.
He wanted to ask her out, to marry him and have his kids, but no sound
came over his lips.

"Heartache tonight", by the L&CFanfiction Team, coming soon (?) to an
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People use these terms because they just haven't been told.  It's up to you
to
inform the rest of us about it, that's all.  I always refer to myself as
being from
the "States" or the "U.S.".  If someone asks if I'm from "America", I say,
"Yes, the
States".  People don't generally say it to be offensive.  They just don't
know any
differently.

Nan

Sandy McDermin wrote:

> Wendy Richards wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat
> > <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:
> >
> > > More than a few, Ann. Sigh.....  And using England when you mean UK,
Britain
> > > or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is about on par as an
insult in
> > > this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the 1800s that the Alamo
> > > belongs to the Mexicans. ;)
> >
> > And it gets worse... like the assumption that Ireland (and I use that
> > term to indicate the larger land-mass, excluding those pesky six
> > counties to the north-east) is somehow part of England or the UK! I
> > lose count of the errors and assumptions... like talking to a Brit
> > and explaining that I'm from Dublin and being asked 'Is that in
> > Northern Ireland?' Or arranging insurance and explaining that I'm
> > taking my car over to Dublin and being told, 'that's still in Britain
> > so there's no problem...' - EXCUSE ME?? Different country!
> >
> > Or Americans (presumably not of Irish extraction) who ask if I'm
> > from England, I say 'Ireland', they say 'same difference'...!
> >
> > And, to refer to LabRat's other point - get an Irish writer, pop
> > star, actor etc who makes good, and suddenly they're British. Like
> > Pierce Brosnan is British, Roddy Doyle is British, U2 and Boyzone are
> > British bands....
> >
> > Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same problem in relation to
> > their next-door neighbours?  <g>
>
> Don't know.  I suppose.  As you may recall, during the hostage situation
> in Iran, a small group of Americans were passed off as Canadians by our
> friends from the North in order to escape, which was a lovely and kind
> gesture.
>
> But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people referring only to the
> United States as America when we're the United States *of* America.  In
> other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're from America,
> aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm introducing the topic, *I*
> always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the U.S." or "I'm going
> back to the States," etc.  I never say *just* America because the
> American continents are more than just the U.S.  There's North America,
> Central America, South America, and that covers a lot of countries.
>
> I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is generally accepted.
> After all, even Americans use it in songs and other popular references.
> <cue Ray Charles.>
>
> --
> Sandy
> smcdermin@erols.com
> http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/
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I know the feeling, Phil.  I'm very much an American mongrel(with apologies
to the *other* American countries here in the Western hemisphere)  I'm 1/4
Irish, with large helpings of Scot, Welsh,  English and a dollop of  French
on the side.

Nan

Phillip Atcliffe wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK>
> wrote:
>
> > Ann wrote:
> >> This reminds me of a novel I once read in which a character, a
> resident of the south of France, said, "Scotland, zat is zee north of
> England, n'est-ce pas?" <<
>
> Oh, he's obviously seen that map showing London schoolkids' view of
> "England". Scotland and Yorkshire are both at the top of the map,
> roughly of equal size, one pointing to the left and one to the right.
> Of course, this is the map that has the M1 ending at Watford and the
> Trains ending at Birmingham (or is it the other way around?). Anyway,
> just about everything north of the Great White City is beyond the pale.
> [NOTE: that's what the _map_ says, not ME!]
>
> >> I suppose some people think that the United Kingdom is actually
> united. <g> (Having been to Scotland, I know better.) <<
>
> And isn't it a shame? I live in dread of a time when the Nationalists
> of all ilks have their way and this country breaks up into a lot of
> tiny, insignificant mini-nations who spend all their time squabbling --
> not unlike, say, Yugoslavia, though hopefully without the bloodshed.
>
> > More than a few, Ann. Sigh.... And using England when you mean UK,
> Britain or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is about on par as
> an insult in this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the 1800s
> that the Alamo belongs to the Mexicans. ;) We don't mind people using
> UK, but we darn tooting mind England being seen as the *entire* UK. <
>
> Blame "Johnny Foreigner" for that. My experience has been that most
> English people are happy to claim that they're British, and so are a
> lot of Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish, but it's people from outside
> who get it wrong. The Yanks are the worst that way, especially business
> people; they _cannot_ get their heads around the notion that England is
> part of the UK, not the other way around.... <groan>
>
> And then, of course, the French have been doing the same thing ever
> since 1707. Maybe that's where the US got it from....
>
> > Mind you, what can we expect of the rest of the world when the
> English TV establishment has habitually used England to mean UK for
> years. <
>
> Really? Never seen that myself; would you care to give some examples?
>
> > Another notable habit that used to provoke great hilarity this side
> of the border was sports commentators. You could always tell when a
> Scottish player was winning - suddenly he stopped being Scottish and
> became British instead. :) <
>
> Shades of the Australian boxer who was always described by the BBC (at
> least when he won) as "this French-born Australian", as though having a
> European connection (not even British) somehow made him more
> respectable.
>
> > LabRat :) (having nothing against our English cousins personally, but
> not liking being seen as English herself, since she ain't. ;)
>
> Phil, who, like most UK-descended Australians, is "British Isles
> Mongrel" -- i.e., I have English, Scottish, Welsh _and_ Irish ancestry,
> and would like to be proud of them all, If only they'd shut up about it
> and get along with one another.
>
> PS.
> > Doc. Klein's LabRat
> > labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk
> > PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!
>                      ^
> Hey, Labrat, are you going in for spelling reform or something?
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>  Gravity is a Downer... So let's go flying!
>    -- so sayeth Phil Atcliffe (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk)
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:54:26 +0100 Wendy Richards
<ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:54:39 -0400 Phillip Atcliffe (Hey, I know
him!) wrote:

>> I've only ever had Clark use "Lex" once (in an unfinished
"Luthor-bash" fic), and then the whole point of it was that it was
short and could have a truckload of venom pumped into the word, as in
all the best Anglo-Saxon swearing.... <g> <<

> Unfinished...? Phil, how dare you torture us like this! Why isn't it
finished? Why isn't it posted here so we can all read it? <

And now for the bad news... not only is it unfinished ('cause, time
machine or no, I can't write _that_ much that quickly), but it may
never _be_ finished. Why? Because I didn't call it a Luthor-bash for
nothing, and I have this feeling that I've kinda mined that idea out
after STMA... <eg> I mean, I'm not a sadist, even if I do detest
Luthor, and I can't help feeling that the story would be something of
an anti-climax after what I did to "dear Lex" in the S6 finale.

Not for nothing did I quote Darth Vader those many months ago....

Phil, who does a reasonable James Earl Jones-as-Vader impersonation
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:19:22 -0400 Phillip Atcliffe
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< I can't help feeling that the story would be something of
> an anti-climax after what I did to "dear Lex" in the S6 finale.

Why not let us be the judge of that?

Wendy
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I've got to go with Wendy on this one.  why not let *us* be the judge of
that?

Nan

Phillip Atcliffe wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:54:26 +0100 Wendy Richards
> <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:54:39 -0400 Phillip Atcliffe (Hey, I know
> him!) wrote:
>
> >> I've only ever had Clark use "Lex" once (in an unfinished
> "Luthor-bash" fic), and then the whole point of it was that it was
> short and could have a truckload of venom pumped into the word, as in
> all the best Anglo-Saxon swearing.... <g> <<
>
> > Unfinished...? Phil, how dare you torture us like this! Why isn't it
> finished? Why isn't it posted here so we can all read it? <
>
> And now for the bad news... not only is it unfinished ('cause, time
> machine or no, I can't write _that_ much that quickly), but it may
> never _be_ finished. Why? Because I didn't call it a Luthor-bash for
> nothing, and I have this feeling that I've kinda mined that idea out
> after STMA... <eg> I mean, I'm not a sadist, even if I do detest
> Luthor, and I can't help feeling that the story would be something of
> an anti-climax after what I did to "dear Lex" in the S6 finale.
>
> Not for nothing did I quote Darth Vader those many months ago....
>
> Phil, who does a reasonable James Earl Jones-as-Vader impersonation
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> "If you let a smile be your umbrella... you'll get wet teeth!"
>    -- a forgotten comedian, quoted by me: Phil Atcliffe
>                                 (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk)
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For those of you who haven't read it yet, I'd like to recommend you check
out "Dear Lois ... Love Superman" by Wendy Richards. It was posted to the
archive 9/26 I believe. It takes off from the episode "Man of Steel Bars"
and explores what might have happened if Clark had left the letter for Lois
instead of Perry. It is really excellent, as you would expect from Wendy,
but beyond that the emotional development of the characters is not to be
missed.

Ray Reynolds
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In a message dated 10/12/1999 10:21:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< People use these terms because they just haven't been told.  It's up to
you to
 inform the rest of us about it, that's all. >>

So you see, this is a useful conversation as it is educating list members
who
may one day need to write about Lois and Clark visiting other parts of the
world.

--Laurie (yeah, I know that's a stretch---but hey, it's been done!)
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Wasn't this great? I read it last week, and loved it.

V

Vicki Krell
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For those of you who haven't read it yet, I'd like to recommend you check
out "Dear Lois ... Love Superman" by Wendy Richards. It was posted to the
archive 9/26 I believe. It takes off from the episode "Man of Steel Bars"
and explores what might have happened if Clark had left the letter for Lois
instead of Perry. It is really excellent, as you would expect from Wendy,
but beyond that the emotional development of the characters is not to be
missed.

Ray Reynolds
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Ann., did I answer this already?  I found it stored in a very strange
place..  Yes you are absolutely right and good for you for calling me on it.
I think the old lady is losing it.  Jude
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In a message dated 10/10/99 3:25:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET writes:

<< Nobody jumped on me for using the oxymoron "trite cliché".  Tsk, Tsk. >>

Now, would "trite cliché" be an oxymoron, or repetitively redundant?<g>

Wouldn't an oxymoron using cliché be more along the lines of "an refreshing
cliché" or a "new cliché"?

Ann
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At 2:51 PM +0100 10/12/99, LabRat wrote:
>This thread is a little more OT than normal. Maybe it should be retired to
>private email? I'm sure we're boring everyone now. <G>

Actually, I'm finding it quite interesting. <g>  I think we just need to
label it "OT", as I did above. :)

At 5:45 AM -0700 10/12/99, Irene D. wrote:
>And, at the same time, if I'm asked if I'm American,
>I'm very quick to say, "No, I'm Canadian."

In 1992, my husband and I spent our vacation in Italy, visiting my best
friend and her then-boyfriend, who were spending the summer backpacking
through Europe.  Jim and I spent a few days in London before we moved on to
Rome, and while there, we hooked up with some other 20-something travelers
and we all spent an evening socializing.  There were a few Aussies, one guy
from New Zealand, a few Canadians, and a couple Brits.

In talking with the Canadians, the subject of providences came up, and I
asked "what are there, like 6 or 7?" and the person rolled their eyes and
said "Ten!" (or however many there are; see, I still don't know <g>)  I was
embarrassed and commented on "American-centric education" and how I bet
they all knew how many states there were.  Then I about fell off my chair
when they all said "of course, we do! Fifty-two." <g>

The funniest thing was they *argued* with us when Jim and I explained there
were only 50 -- apparently other countries teach in school that there are
52 states -- they include Wash DC and Puerto Rico in the count.  DC, I can
see, but PR?

And if that wasn't bad enough, then we had to try to explain the Virgin
Islands, Guam, and Somoa. <g>

Kathy

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<snip>

> In talking with the Canadians, the subject of providences came up, and I
> asked "what are there, like 6 or 7?" and the person rolled their eyes and
> said "Ten!" (or however many there are; see, I still don't know <g>)  I
was
> embarrassed and commented on "American-centric education" and how I bet
> they all knew how many states there were.  Then I about fell off my chair
> when they all said "of course, we do! Fifty-two." <g>

LOL! :)

Normally I wouldn't bother to be so picky, but considering the subject
matter, I thought it might be rather appropriate to point out that we
Canadians have "provinces", not "providences". ;)  And, yes, there are
ten! :)  We've also got three territories, but even I have trouble
remembering the name of that new one (Nunavut?). ;)

Anyhow, back to work . . .

TTFN,
Karen :)
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Oh,  Bernie!

What a time for me to be having terrible technical problems!!!  We are
being renovated and one of the workmen accidentally hit the sprinkler
system.  We had to evacuate, electricity went down, my experiments all had
to be rescued and I had no phone or computer access for days:(

I am so sorry that I have been out of touch when you needed me most.  Of
course I figured out what was going on with you, love of my life, because
we are so connected.
It must have been so hard on you to have to be the one to tell her.  I know
how uncomfortable you feel about having to be the bearer of such unhappy
news.

Another clone of Lois!  I can hardly believe it.  Poor Lois and Clark, not
to mention the clone.  Is she...I'm sorry to draw this out, but how is the
clone doing?  She can't have long to live from what I've read of the
SFAEW's findings.  Has Phil been able to help her?

I'm so glad you like the cologne.  I'm always wearing that item from
Victoria's Secret you sent me:)

I adore you back and wish I were there, or you were here.

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help you or Phil,... or
the clone.

Love,

Carolyn
cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu

P.S. I am jealous of that Rat because it spends more time with you than I
do!

>Carolyn, my love.
>
>What a time I have had since you left!  How sensitive you are to have
figured
>out that I've been dealing with clones.  It is just the sort of thing that
>gets members of the Scientists for an Ethical World all excited.  The
ethical
>dangers of cloning certainly have me concerned.  A clone of Lois Lane
>appeared recently, and unfortunately she was disintegrating rapidly.  She
>didn't even know she was a clone, and I had to tell her!
>
>She  is in the capable hands of our friend, Phil.  The transporter
appartatus
>will get it's chance to do good.
>
>I think of you whenever I am wearing the "Adonis" cologne you gave me...
>which is all the time.  I adore you and need your arms around me.  Love,
>Bernie
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Wow, guys.  I've just got around to reading last night's digest, and
I'm stunned by the nice things you've (you being LabRat, Melisma and
Irene) have had to say about Au Revoir, And Not Good-bye.  Thank you.
 You've quite brightened up my evening!

Yes, I do know the meanings of both 'depeche-toi' and 'vite'.
However, telling a born procrastinator to do either of those things
is probably a little misguided. ;)  Still, I am, as Irene has already
hinted, working on something else, *and* it's almost finished, so
watch this space...

Irene: yes, I've seen your notes.  Thanks!  I'm working on that
section you mentioned at the moment...  Oh, yes, and I was wondering
about S&S, too, so I'm pleased to hear that you're getting back to
that!

As for how Irene got to read the story ahead of everyone else, that's
easy.  Way back in March / April, I posted a request to the list,
asking for someone to take a look over my first fic.  Irene
volunteered, and she's been my willing guinea-pig ever since.

Chris
(Who is given to understand that the Carr family motto is 'Late But
In Earnest'. Honestly.  Whether that's true or not, the description
is depressingly apt in my case.)
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Carolyn wrote:

>P.S. I am jealous of that Rat because it spends more time with you than I
do!

Though not, I would hasten to point out, in the Biblical sense. ;)

BTW - I deserve serious slapping for not mentioning before how much fun both
Carolyn and Laurie's emails have been. Laurie, you've done wonders with your
characters. Thanks to both of you - to all of the OUATIM group - for
brightening my mornings with your correspondence.

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
L. Mencken
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Kathy wrote:

I was embarrassed and commented on "American-centric education" and how I
bet
>they all knew how many states there were.  Then I about fell off my chair
>when they all said "of course, we do! Fifty-two." <g>
>
>The funniest thing was they *argued* with us when Jim and I explained there
>were only 50 -- apparently other countries teach in school that there are
>52 states -- they include Wash DC and Puerto Rico in the count.  DC, I can
>see, but PR?
>
I'd have been on your side of the argument, Kathy. But only because it used
to be a long running joke here that one day we'd wake up and discover we'd
become the 51st state. ;) In tandem with this we used to have (still have?)
a popular chain of burger joints called 51st State. Given all that it was
difficult to miss how many real states there were. <g> Don't ask me to name
them though!

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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>This thread is a little more OT than normal. Maybe it should be retired to
>private email? I'm sure we're boring everyone now. <G>

Oh, no, no!  This is fun!  I've learned more from reading my email than I
did sitting through the whole eight hour school day. <g>

Jessi
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Thanks, James, for the words of encouragement:)

My brother said he thought it was a good story idea, so I hope FoLCs will
agree with him:)

Hope you got some rest, Carolyn

>>Carolyn is now worried that after all this build-up, FoLCs will find the
>>story disappointing:(
>>
>>Yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Still, glad someone will actually read it <g>
>>
>>Carolyn
>
>Don't worry Carolyn, Mr. D8a will read it too.  He enjoys a good crossover
>story...he just can't seem to find the time to finish posting the one he
>started. :-(
>
>Besides, I have read all kinds of PUBLISHED ST fiction, both good and bad,
>for all of the series.  Yours can't be as bad as the one where the ST:TOS
>crew get thrown into the next arm of the Milky Way (a nice change of pace
>from being thrown out of the Milky Way!) and come across a world where the
>only mode of getting around was by transporter.  The people developed it
>after they and their planet where caught in a phased quatum thing-a-ma-bob
>enveloped their planet and star and catupolted(?spelling?) them to their
>present location.
>
>James who could really use some shut eye right about...................
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After several  very productive days of writing I've hit that same old
mudhole that sucks me down and won't let go.  I don't like where I am and
every solution I come up with is worse than  what went before.  Around me
those  vicious negative animals circle, salivating, fangs bared, growling
"hack", "tripe", "you won't finish this, you never do."  Far down the road I
can see sunshine,  happy peasants gamboling on the green, a nice cuppa tea
waiting If I can only get  out of this *&#! hole.  Since the only other
creative writing I do is poetry, and I've been in that particular hole since
July, my usual techniques aren't working.  How do some of  you handle this
problem....You do have this problem don't you?   Jude
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Thanks, Debby:)

My brother is digging in his heels on this but I told him that in future,
I'd give him a sysnopsis and write it as I see it:)

I really appreciate the kind words re my episode reviews and I hope RL will
allow me to pick up where I left off soon:)

ROTFLMBO:  I promise that I will never have anyone steal Clark's
brain!!!!!!!

Carolyn

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>>>Carolyn wrote:
>>>Since I doubt the stories will ever be read by the unitiated, how much
>>>explanation do I really need to put in?  Any thoughts?
>
>Put in as much or as little as you want. Don't count the pixels, count if
it's
>fun or if it isn't. As soon as we *pay* you... then you can worry about the
>word count ;)
>
>Have *fun* with it. If you enjoy revisiting the episode and want to
describe
>it, particularly if the character doing the revisiting is wiser now, the
>reader
>may gain some new insights. We already know that you're a good episode
>reviewer; what you write into a story about an episode may be very
>entertaining
>indeed!
>
>But most of all.... have fun!
>
>Unless you plan to have someone steal Clark's brain. Don't have fun with
that.
>
>Debby
>Debby@swcp.com
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From:         Carolyn Schnall <cschnall@MAIL.MED.CORNELL.EDU>
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Hey LabRat:)

>Carolyn wrote:
>
>
>>P.S. I am jealous of that Rat because it spends more time with you than I
>do!
>
>Though not, I would hasten to point out, in the Biblical sense. ;)
>

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'm sure glad to hear that!!!!!!!

>BTW - I deserve serious slapping for not mentioning before how much fun
both
>Carolyn and Laurie's emails have been. Laurie, you've done wonders with
your
>characters. Thanks to both of you - to all of the OUATIM group - for
>brightening my mornings with your correspondence.
>
>LabRat :)
>Doc. Klein's LabRat
>labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk
>
>PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!
>
>"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde
>
>"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
>L. Mencken

THANKS:)

When I was first inspired to do this, I thought it ironic that I was
considering it after going to some lengths to distinguish myself from
Bernie's Carolyn in my story, The Retreat.  I'm delighted this experiment
worked out so well:)

Thanks,
Carolyn
cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu
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>> Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same problem in relation to
>> their next-door neighbours?  <g>

We Canadians have the problem of the rest of the world lumping us in with
the rest of the Americans.
When my husband and I lived in the UK (both England and Scotland) he came up
with a great answer to the perenial "And what part of America are you from?"
He simply said "North America".

Lesley AKA Ladyhawke
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Judith wrote:

>After several  very productive days of writing I've hit that same old
>mudhole that sucks me down and won't let go.  I don't like where I am and
>every solution I come up with is worse than  what went before.  Around me
>those  vicious negative animals circle, salivating, fangs bared, growling
>"hack", "tripe", "you won't finish this, you never do."  Far down the road
I
>can see sunshine,  happy peasants gamboling on the green, a nice cuppa tea
>waiting If I can only get  out of this *&#! hole.  Since the only other
>creative writing I do is poetry, and I've been in that particular hole
since
>July, my usual techniques aren't working.  How do some of  you handle this
>problem....You do have this problem don't you?

Geez, Jude - with an imagination like that one and such a flair for
description, how can you possibly fail? <G>

Yeah, I think it's safe to say we all have those days - weeks,
months....years.... - when the Muse takes off on a vacation to Mars. There
are several things you can do to kickstart her back into gear. It depends on
what suits you at the time.

How about, sending the scene or portion of narrative you're stuck on to a
proofer or friend you can trust to give you an honest, no holds barred
opinion? Sometimes, it just takes a fresh eye to spark you off again. You
can get so close to the story, you just can't see the obvious when it's
right under your nose. But someone else not so involved will.

Sometimes, if all else fails it can help just to shut down. Go write
something else. Don't write at all. But stay the heck out of that story
file. A couple of days, a week, maybe and you may find when you visit again
that that perspective has changed and you can see what needs to be done more
clearly. Or even, that's it not as bad as it looked last time you were
there.

Go for a relaxing, hot bath and let your mind drift. <g> (my favourite).
Leave the pc on though and be prepared for a sprint back when the idea hits.
<G> And dry off first, so you don't get electrocuted when you type. (Unless
you have that handy new Shower Friend, that I saw advertised in a computer
mag this week. The one that's waterproof and lets you record that 'best idea
of the day' before it 'washes down the plughole out of sight with the
bathwater.')

Sure some of our other writer friends can come up with more. Guys?

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@starlabs.fsnet.co.uk

PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EDDRESS!

"Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative" - Oscar Wilde

"Conscience is the inner voice that warns us someone may be looking." -- H.
L. Mencken
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From:         Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL>
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>Oh,  Bernie!

>I'm so glad you like the cologne.  I'm always wearing that item from
>Victoria's Secret you sent me:)

Carolyn...

I hope she's not *always* wearing it. She should at least wash it on
occasion. ;)

Hazel
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>>Oh,  Bernie!
>
>
>>I'm so glad you like the cologne.  I'm always wearing that item from
>>Victoria's Secret you sent me:)
>
>Carolyn...
>
>I hope she's not *always* wearing it. She should at least wash it on
>occasion. ;)
>
>Hazel

Oh, Hazel:)

Well, you know how we tend to generalize:)

Of course, Carolyn has the highest standards of personal hygiene!

Carolyn

P.S. What does everyone think that item is, anyway?...:)
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Hey:)
When I come to a point in writing where I just get...stuck...what I do is
consider two things.
1) Do I really like this story that I'm writing?
2) Do I really want to finish it?
If I answer "no" to either of those questions, I consider the fanfic a dud
and start something new.  What's the point of writing something you don't
enjoy (unless it's for school<g>)?
But. . . if you really like your fanfic and want to finish it, then think
about it.  Don't sit in front of the computer, trying to figure out what to
write. Go off and do normal things, but while you're doing them. . . riding
the bus to work, trying to fall asleep, sitting in a boring Ecology class
when you should be paying attention, etc.<g>). . . think about your story,
and chances are, you will start to come up with ideas.  Sometimes I write
them down, but not always.  I play with the idea in my head, develop it, and
then when I get home, type it up.
Also. . . here's an idea that may work for some people. . . if you have
several unfinished stories that you just can't seem to decide what to do
with, but you think the stories have a lot of good stuff in them, try
combining the stories or elements of those stories to make a new story.
This
may sound ridiculous, but I've tried it, and it works.:)
Mols
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Hi, Jude,

Well, it happens to me every once in a while.  At my old job, I used
to go for walks on my breaks (and sometimes lunchtime too, if I could
manage to eat at my desk), and I would work out scenes in my head
or in a notebook while I walked.  I very much recommend having a
notebook with you when you walk -- I thought of great line for Shatters
one afternoon while I walked and by the time I got back to my desk
I couldn't remember how it went anymore -- took me weeks to work
out that scene again and I never did remember that great line!  Argh!

But I found that walking helped helped me clear my head and
sometimes whole scenes would just pop in ....

Peace

wedding photos at:
http://www.servtech.com/~kkingsto/wedding/
and at
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I walk two miles every other morning, and that is where my best ideas come
to me.  I work out most of the details in my head while walking, and when I
get blocked that is sometimes where I get my solutions.  One other way was
suggested by a professional writer in a class I once attended.  When he
gets blocked he puts away the thing he is working on and writes on
something else that he never has any intention of anyone else seeing.  He
doesn't worry about spelling, or grammatical errors, he just lets his
imagination go and writes.  He told us that when he does that, a lot of the
time he will get an idea that will help unblock him, or solve his
dilemma.(I also use this method.  I have six handwritten notebooks of an
ongoing story that , believe me, no one will*ever* see.  But it's helped
unblock me numerous times.)  This method may not be for everyone, but if it
*is* for you, it's invaluable.

Nan

Peace wrote:

> Hi, Jude,
>
> Well, it happens to me every once in a while.  At my old job, I used
> to go for walks on my breaks (and sometimes lunchtime too, if I could
> manage to eat at my desk), and I would work out scenes in my head
> or in a notebook while I walked.  I very much recommend having a
> notebook with you when you walk -- I thought of great line for Shatters
> one afternoon while I walked and by the time I got back to my desk
> I couldn't remember how it went anymore -- took me weeks to work
> out that scene again and I never did remember that great line!  Argh!
>
> But I found that walking helped helped me clear my head and
> sometimes whole scenes would just pop in ....
>
> Peace
>
> wedding photos at:
> http://www.servtech.com/~kkingsto/wedding/
> and at
> http://welcome.to/kingston.hope.wedding/
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>Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same problem in relation to
>their next-door neighbours?  <g>
>
>
>Wendy

Yes we do, Wendy... When I was a student in France, I was CONSTANTLY
correcting people who insisted on calling me 'une Americaine'... No No NON
- Je suis CANADIENNE! Of course, then there were my so-called 'friends'
(just kidding - some are *still* my good buddies!) who would call me an
American, just to see if they could get a rise out of me. They usually
could :)

An interesting note, tho' - postage to Canada was cheaper than postage to
the States, in France. I asked the postmistress why, and she explained that
it was because Canada was once a French colony. Hmmm... me wonders if you
get a break writing a snailmail letter to us too, because we are not only
an ex-British colony but also a Commonwealth buddy of yours...

And another thing I learned - mes ami(e)s francais(es) peut me corriger si
j'ai horriblement malcompris :o) - but many French (that I met, anyway)
liked Canadians BETTER than Americans. Sure, the Americans were the ones
who freed France after World War II, and the French are grateful. But they
like our less-arrogant attitude better :) At least, that's how it was
explained to me when I was there... Si la cas est different, mes cher(e)s
ami(e)s de l'autre cote de l'atlantique, SVP corrigez-moi aussitot que
possible! :) No offense to you Yanks intended, BTW - I have so many friends
from all over the world in RL as well as on the 'net that I no longer think
about borders as much as I used to.

But it's important for me to recognize that each country (heck, each REGION
of a country - salut mes copains et copines Quebecois(es) :) has its own
distinctive flavour and reasons to be proud of itself, and so I make sure
to refer to Ratty as a Scot and Wendy as Irish - and I would NEVER call my
mother a Pole, even though she was born in a part of Germany that is now a
part of Poland :) - even as I would hope you all would do me the respect of
calling me a Canadian and NOT an American. I may be NORTH American, but
just because you were born on this continent doesn't mean you are
American... Um, Peace, what would happen if your parents called the people
in Brazil Americans? Uh, but they are SOUTH Americans, therefore they must
be American, right? Same diff here :)

Oh gosh, here I go babbling on... I should shut up and leave the babbling
to Ellen and Lois - which reminds me, Ellen has a few emails to write
<VBVEG> so I shall just go and crawl under my rock for a minute and let her
at the keyboard...

Melisma
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Hmm well let's see.  I have been writing my first fanfic for quite a while
now, and I have come to the point where I can't put it down!  I have my most
inspiration when I am in the shower.  I listen to certain music for certain
scenes.  I find the LnC soundtrack works and the new Ricky Martin Cd for the
nfic scenes.  Don't ask me why but it does! LOL!

Alexis ;-.)
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The way I get out of writer's block is to first, drop the story I"m working
on for the moment. Then think of a new story (It sounds hard but it's not
really) What I would do is try to think of new Lois and Clark stories. I'd
look around my area (IE: my room, driving down the street, at the mall) and
try to think of a cute LnC story that could go with that. One story I even
had them go bowling! By the time I'd finish that story I'd go back and read
my original problem (From the beginning since I usually forgot where I was
with the story!) and I'd see where changes could be made or any other
alterations. I've gotten through a million stories this way but I just
haven't submitted any for the archive or this list yet. I don't know what
I'm
waiting on, but I get to enjoy them. Hope this helps!

Kristin
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Hi Baby,

Just a very quick note to tell you something important before your sister
can get to you: I thought I'd better tell you as soon as possible so you
have more time to get used to the idea... But, it would seem you are no
longer the littlest one in our family. Yes, it's true - you're going to be
a big sister! I know, it's somewhat difficult for me to believe, too - and
my doctor just about had a heart attack, as well. Perhaps that's why she
had me come back in for another battery of tests before she told me -
scared me silly, let me tell you... I had been feeling very, um, not
myself, all week - after all, have you ever seen your mother, um, lose it
regularily in the morning? I mean, after I dried out, that is... And I have
been really good the past little while. Why, even at Chateau Roberge, last
weekend with your father, I didn't touch a drop. So anyway... You would
think I was some medical oddity, the way Dr. Richards was looking at me.
Finally I told her that if she didn't tell me what was wrong with me, I was
going to go *crazy*, and she told me. Of course, because I'm rather older
than your average expectant mother, she is treating me with kid gloves.
Which is okay - It's nice to be treated so well for a change...

Oh gosh, look at the time! I have to write back to Lois. Poor dear... I
think she is taking this *really* hard - after all, her baby is going to be
older than it's uncle or aunt. And, oh yes, now that this pregnancy is
confirmed, I have to tell your father - I hope for his sake that it's a boy
this time, since he was so disappointed that Lois was a girl...

Love you lots,

Mom
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Lois, Lois, my dear sweet Lois -

>Mother I'm not sure who you sat with while she died, but it wasn't Lara
Wells.

Oh, I am very glad to hear that - from my little time surveilling her, I
think she was, er, is, an interesting person in her own right. And I hope
that if your scientist friends succeed, we can have a chance to get to know
her better. But it still bothers me... Who *was* the girl I sat with then?
She was the spitting image of you and Lara, and since I was sure she wasn't
you, I figured she had to be Ms. Wells. But even if she wasn't, who was
she, and where were her family and friends? Not to mention, why there would
be two other people looking like my daughter, running around Metropolis.

>I expect the young woman who died was comforted by your presence, Mother,
>so it was a very kind act and you should feel proud that you were given a
>chance to make a difference in such a sad situation.

I hope I made a difference to her, Sweetie. She never regained conciousness
while I was with her, so I seriously doubt she had any idea I was there. It
was all so *sad*, you know, to be there and to realize that I was the only
person who seemed to know she was there, all alone. Of course the crash
team was efficient and caring, and they did their best to save her, but
I've been there... When you work in the hospital it can be easy to look at
this body and that body, and think of them as just a thing to do something
with, and not realize that this is a person you are working with -
especially if the body is unconcious.

Oh god - this is making me feel melancholy again. Either that, or it's
these pregnancy hormones again. It's been an awful long time since I was
pregnant with Lucy, and I've half-forgotten what it's like...

>About your other news;  Are you sure?  Can you be......... you
know......isn't it >more likely to be the menopause?

Darling, I'm a nurse! *And* I've been pregnant before. Sure, I've never
gone through menopause, but I know what the symptoms are. And they are
*nothing* like what I'm experiencing right now. There is really only one
major thing the two conditions have in common - or rather, that they
*don't* have, both of them. And when I missed that, I figured, given my
age, that it was probably the onset of menopause. A few days after your
father and I got back from our weekend, tho', I started getting queasy in
the mornings. And since I stopped drinking I have generally never felt
better - no more morning hangovers: I love it <g>. I had called Dr.
Richard's office hoping to get an appointment the week before, because I
wanted to talk to her about the new menopause meds - these days they have
some terrific ways of easing the effects, and I wanted to see if I could
stay my sweet adorable self all through *my* change of life... Thinking
ahead, you know. But since she is *the* premiere gynocologist on the East
Coast, she is always booked far in advance. Too bad - wouldn't it be neat
for us to have the same doctor caring for us and our babies? It was only by
chance that I got in, really. Poor woman, I think she was about to have a
heart attack after she examined me. And examined me again. And looked at me
like some freak from a sideshow. Finally I asked her what was wrong with
me. And she told me. 'Nothing's *wrong* with you, dear - nothing that won't
go away in nine months...' Well, not so callously as all that, of course.
And of course I asked her to repeat herself - the symptoms all clicked
suddenly, but I still didn't believe it. Hardly *still* don't. Except when
I'm worshipping the porcelain goddess in the morning. I mean, women my age
are usually fine-tuning their retirement plans, not planning the new
nursery...

>I should congratulate you and I do wish you and Daddy well.  It is
>Daddy's?!   Well of course it is.  Until you mentioned Chateau Roberge I
>just never considered that you and he were..... well that things had moved
>along to the point where you were...... you know.  I mean, Clark doesn't
>even think his parents do 'that' anymore.  Which is crazy, I know.  But a
>baby?!

Well, you are my own daughter, that's for sure... That's the way I was
babbling to myself on the way home. Yes, of course it's your father's,
dear. Oh dear, I need to tell him - can you believe I haven't *told* him
yet? For all the crap we've been through, and it *was* as much my fault as
his, I think I'm beginning to realize now... I never stopped loving the old
goat tho', and every time he pays me the slightest attention, it seems like
we are back to the beginning. If that makes sense. There just has never
been anyone else for me.

>I've just gotten used to having one of my own and you know mother that I'm
>considered a little 'old' to be having a baby, so what the medical
>profession must be thinking of you?
>
>I'm sorry, I know this isn't the reaction you were expecting, especially
>when you were so thrilled about Clark and me having a baby.  But I'm
>worried too, are you all right?  Is it safe for you?  Is it safe for the
>baby?

Let's just say that Dr. Richards is giving me the royal treatment. Like I'm
some kind of china. She has me scheduled for every sort of pre-natal test
there is, and  checkups every week from now until a year after the baby is
due - well, that's what it seems like to me. It's probably something more
reasonable than that. And I know from my own career that pregnancies in
older women are not without risk, even these days, so I guess I shall just
have to listen to her and take care of myself and your little brother or
sister as well as I can.

Honey, I understand that this is a shock to you - I wasn't expecting you to
be wild about it. And I don't blame you for being worried, either. It just
tells me that you care. It's what you do best, did you know that? I see how
you care about Clark and your own baby, and Lara, and all your friends at
the Planet - and I wonder how bumbling little me managed to turn out such a
fine daughter who is a blessing to society as well as to her mother. I love
you, Lois - even if I haven't been the wonderful mother to you that Martha
is to Clark. And I'm kind of glad I have a chance to try again with this
little one. Maybe this time I can do better, you think?

I suppose I had better send this off before these hormones of mine drive me
crazy! Why don't you and Clark come over to my place for supper this
weekend? I think it's my turn, after all... Thank Clark for the warm
thoughts, and give him mine, too. Also a hug, if he'll accept it...

Love you,

Your mom
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:38:19 +0100 LabRat <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK>
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> Kathy wrote:

>> I was embarrassed and commented on "American-centric education" and
how I bet they all knew how many states there were. Then I about fell
off my chair when they all said "of course, we do! Fifty-two." <g>

>> The funniest thing was they *argued* with us when Jim and I
explained there were only 50 -- apparently other countries teach in
school that there are 52 states -- they include Wash DC and Puerto Rico
in the count. DC, I can see, but PR? <<

> I'd have been on your side of the argument, Kathy. But only because
it used to be a long running joke here that one day we'd wake up and
discover we'd become the 51st state. ;) <

Nope; you (we?) would have to be the 52nd. Australia would be the 51st!
Hey, wasn't there a novel a few years ago called "51st State" in which
a rabid Euro-hating British PM tried to arrange for the UK to become
part of the US?

Later, Lesley wrote:
> We Canadians have the problem of the rest of the world lumping us in
with the rest of the Americans. When my husband and I lived in the UK
(both England and Scotland) he came up with a great answer to the
perennial "And what part of America are you from?" He simply said
"North America". <

And then there was the English librarian who asked me once whether I
came from "north or south of the border" --? I didn't have the faintest
idea which border he meant, but I figured that I couldn't go wrong with
"South -- a long way south."

"Oh," he said, "Florida or somewhere like that?" The penny finally
dropped and I realised that he thought I was either from the States or
Canada! I quickly disabused him of that odd notion....

Phil, who finds a useful technique to shut up the English when they
start arguing over whether the North (of the country) is better than
the South is to remark that, "From where I sit, you're _all_ bloody
Northeners!" They're generally so shocked by the idea that someone
could lump them all in together that they fall silent. <g>
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Dear Bernie,

Congratulations, commiserations and apologies are all in order. Or, to
put it another way, there's good news, bad news and
I'm-not-quite-sure-what news.

(By now, you're absolutely certain who this is, right? <g> Even without
looking at the "From:" line. You don't know the _half_ of it, mate!
Wherein lies a tale....)

Let's start with the main good news: Lara's fine. Alive, well and, if I
am any judge at all of these things (debatable, I know, but I think I
could tell this time), very happy.

This may surprise you, I know. After all, if you've made it out of the
lab in the last 48 hours (have you?), or even if you haven't, you may
have heard that she died in hospital. But then, if you had heard that,
I'd have expected you to get in touch and ask what happened; since you
didn't, this may be the first you've heard of it.

It's true; a woman identified as Lara Wells did die in Metro General
Hospital last Saturday night, your time. But what is _also_ true is
that Lara Wells is alive and well. But not here. How this came about,
and why, is part of the tale I mentioned earlier. Pull up a chair, if
you haven't already; this is gonna take a little while to explain....

First up, let me thank you again for your trust in my "crazy" ideas. I
know this was a last-ditch measure to try and save Lara's life, and I'm
still amazed that it actually worked. Even now, looking at Gay
Deceiver's Little Sister sitting in the garage, I find it hard to
believe that I actually built her -- of course, I had help, but it's
still incredible that someone as unhandy as me could put her together.

Anyway, when I got your message, I knew that this was Little Gay's
chance to show her stuff. She was enthusiastic, too (I'm gonna have to
watch that; LG seems to have a propensity to zip all over the place
without too much care for getting back. Oh, well, I'll play the heavy
if I have to). Once we had Lara -- who, thank God (and I say it
reverently), was strong enough to hang on; think I'm gonna need a
sidecar if I do this again -- it was easy enough to head for the
co-ordinates that a "friend" of mine had supplied.

Subjective travel time was close enough to zero to make no difference;
in fact, you and I may have to get together and think about how we
might measure it -- if we think it's worth the effort. My "friend" had
apparently sent word ahead, and the medstaff were waiting for us. They
rushed Lara into stasis and left Gay and I to cool our heels for a
while.

After a short wait, I was called in to hear the bad news: even
without her wound, Lara's cellular deterioration was irreversible. The
_good_ news, though, was that all hope was not lost; what they could do
was to take a cell sample and grow her another body -- another clone,
but without frog DNA (the woman sniffed at that, as though it was in
bad taste at the very least) or any cellular weakness; _this_ body
would age at the normal rate. Once it was grown, they'd "transfer" her
into it somehow -- how, they didn't say.

Then they stunned me by asking for my permission as Lara's next-of-kin!
I tried to explain, but the idea seemed to be that I was the only
person from the same era, so I got to say yes or no. I couldn't see
that she could come to any more harm by it, so I agreed -- the poor
girl was going to die in a few minutes, anyway. The cellular breakdown
seemed to get worse once we arrived at the hospital, and I only hope
the time travel didn't have anything to do with it; I don't _think_ so,
but that's one reason why we might want to look at subjective time
rates during transit.

Back to cooling my heels and chatting with Gay via the comlink... until
Lara suddenly came running into the room and hugged me -- there are
worse ways to relieve hospital boredom, I can tell you! We all got a
bit teary with joy, even Gay (not literally in her case, but there was
emotion in her voice; she's got a real personality, that one).

After the formalities (not many; one of the true advances of technology
is that "paperwork" in that era has been cut to a minimum), we were on
our way. Now that she was in a fit condition to appreciate it, Lara
thought riding on Little Gay was fun -- at least at the start, because
the trip home was a bit rough.

I didn't know it at the time, but Lara had attracted the interest of
another time traveller, and we were... diverted from our course in a
subtle and unexpected way. After some rather unpleasant buffeting (and
I used to think riding a bike in gale-force crosswinds was bad!), we
arrived in Metropolis -- just not the one we expected.

Remember the parallel universe concept from quantum mechanics? Guess
what -- there is now evidence of its validity. Yep, courtesy of our
unknown observer, we'd been sent "sideways" -- along "teh" axis, IIRC
-- to another timeline which was very like ours, but with a few
differences.

One of those differences relates to what our mutual friend Clark
does... shall we say, away from the office? I'll say no more here: if
you know (and by now, I think you do -- or so I was told), then you'll
know what I mean; if not, forget I mentioned it. Anyway, "he" (i.e.,
his counterpart) turned up almost immediately after we arrived -- and
looked like he'd been hit by a sledgehammer (one that would actually
work on him, too!). Lara was a good match for him, as well.

It seems that, in that timeline, Lois Lane was killed before Clark Kent
ever met her, except that he had met her, somehow -- an alternative
her, and from what I gathered, it may even have been _our_ Lois.
Anyway, he had been missing her badly, and now, here was Lara. You know
I'm a hopeless romantic, but if I ever saw love at first sight, that
was it! You could have knocked them both down with a feather --
provided that they fell in the same direction, and preferably one on
top of the other.

About now, the other time traveller showed up, full of apologies; he'd
wanted to catch us at the hospital, but LG was too quick for him, so he
had to divert us, which is apparently one of the _worst_ things one can
do, temporal etiquette-wise (after that trip, I know why!).

It soon became obvious that Lara didn't want to leave, but I wasn't
going to be heading home alone. According to HG (this is a hint as to
who the guy was <g>), "history" requires "her" death, so we had to fake
it somehow. "Luckily", we had a convenient body back at the hospital,
so all we had to do (he said; he had it all planned) was get it,
"program" it and take it to Metro General. This "programming" involved
simulating consciousness in the body, now mindless since Lara had been
"transferred", so that it could appear to die of the gunshot wound at
the "proper" time.

I have to say that, as unpleasant as this sounds, it was something of a
relief. I wasn't looking forward to going home without Lara, not in the
current socio-political climate; I doubt that the courts would believe
that I'd left her in an alternate universe instead of the more
"rational" explanation of murder. And then, of course, if I'd showed
anyone what LG can do, I'd have had the military all over the place
(and probably lost Gay). B-(

Planting the body was finicky, but we did it without any great
problems. HG did the "programming", and I used Little Gay's motive unit
as a "conventional" transporter (just a matter of changing the polarity
of the unit to project outwards rather than inwards; I reckon I'll
tweak the unit so that the switch can be done at will -- it's just too
useful to require physically changing the coils all the time).

The body was placed where it was "supposed" to be, and that was that. I
headed home; all in all, it had been quite a day.

That'll do for now; if you want any more details, drop me a line. DON'T
use "Reply" to this; I'll never get it, as you'll understand if you
look at the header details. Use my normal e-mail address.

Regards and a backscratch to the rat,

Phil

PS. If you're wondering who the "friend" who helped me build Gay,
etc... it was me! Nice to know both Jocelyn and I have more than a few
years to go, and she's just as cute with silver hair.... <g>

PPS. Sometime between now and the end of this academic year, you might
want to tidy up your attic at home -- and that lab you call a guest
room. You're going to need the space. You see, I have reason to believe
that STAR Labs are going to be hiring people round about that time, and
one name will be at the head of the list (or their financial department
will know why!). Need I add that it begins with C? <g>
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Go on!  Finish it!  You know we want you to!

Tara

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I've got to go with Wendy on this one.  why not let *us* be the judge of
that?

Nan

Phillip Atcliffe wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:54:26 +0100 Wendy Richards
> <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:54:39 -0400 Phillip Atcliffe (Hey, I know
> him!) wrote:
>
> >> I've only ever had Clark use "Lex" once (in an unfinished
> "Luthor-bash" fic), and then the whole point of it was that it was
> short and could have a truckload of venom pumped into the word, as in
> all the best Anglo-Saxon swearing.... <g> <<
>
> > Unfinished...? Phil, how dare you torture us like this! Why isn't it
> finished? Why isn't it posted here so we can all read it? <
>
> And now for the bad news... not only is it unfinished ('cause, time
> machine or no, I can't write _that_ much that quickly), but it may
> never _be_ finished. Why? Because I didn't call it a Luthor-bash for
> nothing, and I have this feeling that I've kinda mined that idea out
> after STMA... <eg> I mean, I'm not a sadist, even if I do detest
> Luthor, and I can't help feeling that the story would be something of
> an anti-climax after what I did to "dear Lex" in the S6 finale.
>
> Not for nothing did I quote Darth Vader those many months ago....
>
> Phil, who does a reasonable James Earl Jones-as-Vader impersonation
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> "If you let a smile be your umbrella... you'll get wet teeth!"
>    -- a forgotten comedian, quoted by me: Phil Atcliffe
>                                 (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk)

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I think its funny, too! :-)

Tara

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This reminds me of an Australian film shown here recently.  An Irishman
comes to Australia.  He's in a pub when one of the locals asks him if he's
English.  (BTW, the Irish accent is very strong).  The Irish guys say no,
he's from Ireland.  The local replies "Same diff"

The Irishman asks the local what part of New Zealand he comes from.  The
local says "New Zealand?  I'm Australian"  and the Irishman says "Same
diff".

Well, I found it amusing :)

jem

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> --- Sandy McDermin <smcdermin@EROLS.COM> wrote:
> > Wendy Richards wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:47:15 +0100 LabRat
> > > <labrat@STARLABS.FSNET.CO.UK> wrote:
> > >
> > > > More than a few, Ann. Sigh.....  And using
> > England when you mean UK, Britain
> > > > or even Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland is
> > about on par as an insult in
> > > > this neck of the woods as telling a Texan in the
> > 1800s that the Alamo
> > > > belongs to the Mexicans. ;)
> > >
> > > And it gets worse... like the assumption that
> > Ireland (and I use that
> > > term to indicate the larger land-mass, excluding
> > those pesky six
> > > counties to the north-east) is somehow part of
> > England or the UK! I
> > > lose count of the errors and assumptions... like
> > talking to a Brit
> > > and explaining that I'm from Dublin and being
> > asked 'Is that in
> > > Northern Ireland?' Or arranging insurance and
> > explaining that I'm
> > > taking my car over to Dublin and being told,
> > 'that's still in Britain
> > > so there's no problem...' - EXCUSE ME?? Different
> > country!
> > >
> > > Or Americans (presumably not of Irish extraction)
> > who ask if I'm
> > > from England, I say 'Ireland', they say 'same
> > difference'...!
> > >
> > > And, to refer to LabRat's other point - get an
> > Irish writer, pop
> > > star, actor etc who makes good, and suddenly
> > they're British. Like
> > > Pierce Brosnan is British, Roddy Doyle is British,
> > U2 and Boyzone are
> > > British bands....
> > >
> > > Aaarrrggghhhhh!!! Do Canadians have the same
> > problem in relation to
> > > their next-door neighbours?  <g>
> >
> > Don't know.  I suppose.  As you may recall, during
> > the hostage situation
> > in Iran, a small group of Americans were passed off
> > as Canadians by our
> > friends from the North in order to escape, which was
> > a lovely and kind
> > gesture.
>
> This brings to mind a wonderful experience I had.
> Very shortly after the Americans (the U.S. variety
> <g>) escaped from Iran with the help of Canada, I went
> to visit a friend who had moved to Dallas.  I didn't
> have to buy one drink or a restaurant meal the whole
> time I was there.  All I had to do was open my mouth
> and say something in my Canadian accent and everything
> was provided for me.  Very hospitable!  Needless to
> say, I had a wonderful time. Felt a bit sorry for my
> friend though. She's Canadian too, but she had been in
> Dallas for a year and had picked up a Texan accent
> so... no freebies for her!
>
>
> >
> > But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people
> > referring only to the
> > United States as America when we're the United
> > States *of* America.  In
> > other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're
> > from America,
> > aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm
> > introducing the topic, *I*
> > always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the
> > U.S." or "I'm going
> > back to the States," etc.  I never say *just*
> > America because the
> > American continents are more than just the U.S.
> > There's North America,
> > Central America, South America, and that covers a
> > lot of countries.
>
> And, at the same time, if I'm asked if I'm American,
> I'm very quick to say, "No, I'm Canadian."
> >
> > I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is
> > generally accepted.
> > After all, even Americans use it in songs and other
> > popular references.
> > <cue Ray Charles.>
>
> Hate to point it out, Sandy, but you used it yourself
> this way in your above paragraph about Iran. <g>
>
> Irene
> sirenegold@yahoo.com
>
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Ok, I admit, I'm probably deluding myself by thinking that I have more than
5 or 6 loyal readers of my story.  Because deluding myself like that is fun=
,
I'll go on thinking that.  There have been a few minor changes from the
original version that I posted to the message board, so it works a little
better now.  :-)  Enjoy!

The Black Circle part 3
=93Hi, this is Lois Lane with the Daily Planet,=94 Lois said into the phone=
.=20
=93I=92d like to speak Joy Sowell . . . she is?  Hmm, well could you take a=
 . .
. you can=92t?   Well, do you know when she=92ll be back?  No?. . . What?  =
Are
you sure? . . . Mm hmm.  Thank you.=94  She closed her phone with an odd
expression on her face.  =93Agent Sowell has vanished.=94

Lois had known Joy Sowell since grade school.  They=92d been next door
neighbors and had, at one point, been nearly inseperable.  They had kept in
contact through letters after Joy=92s parents moved to New York.  When Joy =
had
come to Metropolis for this investigation, she had immediately contacted
Lois and they had been sharing information about the murders.  The FBI team
working under her knew this, now, and were under orders to share their
information with Lois Lane.

=93Vanished?=94 Clark asked.  =93As in disappeared?=94

=93As in, she went into her hotel room and never came out.  The door and al=
l
the windows were locked from the inside and her purse and car keys were
there as well.  Her car is even still parked in the lot.=94

Clark fidgeted with his glasses.  =93Maybe I should go take a  =91peek=92 a=
t her
room.=94  He started to turn towards the storage rooms.  Lois grabbed his a=
rm.

=93Clark, you promised not to interfere.=94

=93I know I agreed to stay out of the murder investigations, but this proba=
bly
isn=92t involved with . . .=94

=93That=92s not how she=92ll see it.  Trust me.=94

Clark sat on the edge of her desk.  =93I don=92t like having her work on th=
is
case.  She=92s so young and =85=94

=93I know,=94 Lois agreed.  =93She=92s handling it really well, though.=94

=93Too well, almost.=94

=93Not really.  You weren=92t there when she saw that first body.  She thre=
w up
in the dumpster.  She=92s not nearly as tough as she acts.  She=92s just fi=
gured
out how to hide her feelings.=94 Lois smiled up at Clark.  =93Kind of like =
a
certain reporter I know.=94

=93Hi, guys,=94 Maggie came up behind Clark and dropped a manila folder in =
front
of Lois.  =93Here=92s that research you wanted on that rune.  It was actual=
ly
two, side by side.  They=92re from Elder Futhark, just like I thought.=94

=93Elder what?=94

=93Elder Futhark.  It=92s an ancient Germanic runic system.  They used it f=
or
writing, casting spells, everything.  The first one=92s called perthro.  It
means, uh, hidden things and occult abilities.  The other=92s called sowilo=
.=20
It means victory or success.  It=92s all in there.=94   She flipped through
another sheaf of papers she was holding.  =93The black ring surrounding it =
is
the symbol of this group that=92s shown up in town recently.  You know, the
one the one Agent Sowell was investigating?=94

Clark shot Lois a meaningful look.

=93I checked some other stuff, too.  It seems our Inspector Parent is an
exchange officer from the Gotham City PD.  She was dating a doctor at Gotha=
m
General and was well liked.  Then she started investigating a series of
disappearances.  She dumped her boyfriend and became a recluse.  She came
over here right after a certain Dark Knight broke up an emergent cult.=20
Coincidence?=94  Maggie shook her head.  =93Care to guess who this cult was=
?=94

=93The Black Circle!=94  Lois and Clark said in unison.

Maggie grinned.  =93Did you guys practice that?=94

=93Maggie,=94 Lois said warningly.

=93Ok, ok, that=92s pretty much it.  Now I=92ve gotta get the rest of this =
stuff
over to Jimmy.  He=92s writing that sidebar thingy on cults,=94 she grinned=
 at
them as she walked away.  =93Isn=92t it cool?=94

Lois and Clark exchanged a tolerant look, then turned to the papers.

=93I think we need some more info on this Black Circle cult,=94 Lois said,
reaching for her rolodex.  She flipped through it, then grabbed her phone.

Clark cocked his head to one side as his superhearing cut in.

Lois noticed.  =93What is it?=94

=93Traffic accident.  This won=92t take long.=94 He hurried from the room, =
hand
already going to his tie.

Lois dialed Bobby Bigmouths number quickly.  =93Hi, Bobby?  Lois.  I need s=
ome
information on the Black Circle. . . you do?  Great.  I=92ll meet you in
twenty minutes.=94

Tank stared at the abandoned warehouse the Circle was using as a base of
operations glumly.  What was he doing?  How could he even consider coming
back here?  Sure, that Cindy gal had said it would be safe . . . but how
much could he really trust her?

Ok, Tank, he thought.  Get a grip.  They could have gotten you at your
apartment, but they didn=92t.   Get in there and do what you=92re supposed =
to.

He opened his car door slowly and got out, carefully avoiding the water
puddle.  The temperature had not gone up much from that morning, so he
clutched his jacket a little closer as he strode nervously over to the door
to the warehouse.  He paused there and glanced around nervously for passers=
.
Nobody was there, so he flipped open a small box beside the door and punche=
d
in his security code.  The security box beeped and the door unlocked.

Apparently, the Circle was having a meeting he hadn=92t been told about,
because most of the members were gathered in the main worship area.  Cindy
was already there, over by the coffee machine, chatting with Jenny.  Jenny
spotted him as he entered and broke off her conversation with Cindy to wind
her way through the crowd.

=93Hi, Tank.  Are you feeling better?=94

=93Um, yeah.  I took some medicine and I=92m feeling fine, now.=94  He eyed=
 her
warily, then glanced around the room.  =93What=92s going on?=94

=93I=92m not sure.  The Elders called a meeting just after you left.  They
should be out soon.=94  She looked around at the altar and grinned.  =93The=
re
they are now!  C=92mon, let=92s get up front!=94

Tank allowed Jenny to grab his hand and lead him through the crowd to stand
just before the altar.  The Elders had lined up behind their leader in a
semi-circle like they always did before conducting a group ritual.  They
were dressed, as always, in black, deeply hooded robes with runes sewn into
the sleeves.  The leader, or Reverend Stapleton Love, as he preferred to be
called, raised his hands for silence.

=93We have heard from the Great One!  He has given us a terrible message!  =
The
evil alien, Kal-El, is trying to stop us from achieving the glory we
deserve!  He means to kill us all and put an end to our way of life!  We ca=
n
not allow this to happen!  We will not allow this to happen!=94

=93What must we do?=94 someone behind Tank yelled fervently.

=93We must cast a holy spell on the evil one!  We must control him and forc=
e
him to leave us alone!=94

=93But he=92s too powerful!  We can=92t control him!=94

=93We must!  This is why we have called everyone together!  You, our loyal
followers, will stay here and raise the power we need, while I and two of
the Inner Circle will find the evil one!=94

The Reverend and two of the Elders stepped out of their customary positions
and went swiftly back to their private rooms.  Elder Exrxes stepped forward
and began giving instructions for the ritual they would be using to raise
power for Reverend Love.  Tank used the confusion to escape from Jenny and
go over to Cindy.

=93What are we going to do?=94 he asked her in a low voice.

Cindy looked annoyed, and answered at the same volume.  =93We=92re going to=
 go
along with it, for now!  This can=92t possibly *do* anything, and besides,
Superman can take care of himself.  We can=92t attract attention or we won=
=92t
be able to find out anything!  Now get back over to Jenny!  You don=92t wan=
t
to make her suspicious.=94

Tank gave her a dubious look, then wound his way back over to his position
beside Jenny.  She, apparently, hadn=92t even noticed he=92d been gone, for=
 her
eyes were closed and she was mouthing the words of the chant. He took his
position beside her and waited for more instructions from the Elder.

Superman deposited the injured woman on the waiting gurney.  As he did so,
he heard another yell for help.

He had been busy rescuing people since earlier that day, when he had helped
clean up a traffic accident.  He had expected this, of course, but had hope=
d
that people would be more careful after the heavy rain the night before.=20
Most people seemed to drive much worse than usual after it rained, though,
and today was proving to be no exception.  Maggie was busy today, too, or a=
t
least so he had heard.

He launched himself into the air in the direction of the cry.  It took him
only a few seconds to get to the alley.  As he landed, he looked around for
the source of the yell.  A young woman was standing in the middle of the
alley, yelling.  She broke off mid-yell as she saw him landing.

=93What=92s the problem, miss?=94

She smiled in a way that made his skin crawl.  =93There is no problem, now,
Superman.=94

A sound behind him made him turn.  Two men dressed in deeply cowled robes
had stepped out from behind a pile of crates.  The two men and the woman
spread out around him so that he was centered between them and began
chanting in Latin.

Immediately, he felt invisible bonds begin to settle around him.  He twiste=
d
and tried to take off, but the bonds wouldn=92t let him.  When he was total=
ly
encased in the invisible bonds, the tone of the chanting changed and
something touched his mind.  It felt as though something was trying hard to
wiggle its way into his mind.  He clenched his teeth and fought with
everything he could.

The chanting intensified, and the feeling of something wiggling around his
mind did, as well.  Sudden pain shot through his head and he groaned
involuntarily.  The pain increased until it blotted out everything else.=20
Then he knew no more.

to be continued . . .

(I just had to put that in!)

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Phil, you boggle the mind -- I am in awe of how you worked all this out.

Carol
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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:35:18 -0400 Phillip Atcliffe
<Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK> wrote:

> Hey, wasn't there a novel a few years ago called "51st State" in which
> a rabid Euro-hating British PM tried to arrange for the UK to become
> part of the US?

Not that long ago - two years, perhaps. It's by Peter Preston,
formber editor of the Guardian (that paper whence I learnt of the
science of psephology <g>). I keep meaning to read it - the extracts
I read looked pretty good.

Wendy
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Pam

I'm reading it here.  I don't have time to get to the boards, so please keep
posting.

Charlotte
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Charlotte:

I must apologize for taking so long in getting back comments to you. My
lateness has nothing to do with a lack of interest but in this flu bug
I've been battling and battling and battling.
 Sandy-- >>

 No need to apologize.  Hope you feel better soon.  My boss, Carolyn, was
out
with the flu today.

Anyway, I'm going to thank you for your comments right now, even before I
read them.
 I'm so far behind on my lists that I can't even keep up with mail.
 When am I going to be able to write again?

Hmmm.  Maybe a mild case of.... No.

Charlotte - who's 'real' life is intruding on her daydreaming.
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I loved this, Phil.

'Number of the Beast' is one of my favourite Heinlein
novels, and it was fun to read about your version of
Gay Deceiver.  She's one of my favourite characters
even if she doesn't have a biological body!

Great job of plagiarizing, er, um, I mean adapting
Heinlein's version of time-travel to this story line.

Well done!

Irene

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> [Download BEGINS]
> Dear Bernie,
>
> Congratulations, commiserations and apologies are
> all in order. Or, to
> put it another way, there's good news, bad news and
> I'm-not-quite-sure-what news.
>
> (By now, you're absolutely certain who this is,
> right? <g> Even without
> looking at the "From:" line. You don't know the
> _half_ of it, mate!
> Wherein lies a tale....)
>
> Let's start with the main good news: Lara's fine.
> Alive, well and, if I
> am any judge at all of these things (debatable, I
> know, but I think I
> could tell this time), very happy.
>
> This may surprise you, I know. After all, if you've
> made it out of the
> lab in the last 48 hours (have you?), or even if you
> haven't, you may
> have heard that she died in hospital. But then, if
> you had heard that,
> I'd have expected you to get in touch and ask what
> happened; since you
> didn't, this may be the first you've heard of it.
>
> It's true; a woman identified as Lara Wells did die
> in Metro General
> Hospital last Saturday night, your time. But what is
> _also_ true is
> that Lara Wells is alive and well. But not here. How
> this came about,
> and why, is part of the tale I mentioned earlier.
> Pull up a chair, if
> you haven't already; this is gonna take a little
> while to explain....
>
> First up, let me thank you again for your trust in
> my "crazy" ideas. I
> know this was a last-ditch measure to try and save
> Lara's life, and I'm
> still amazed that it actually worked. Even now,
> looking at Gay
> Deceiver's Little Sister sitting in the garage, I
> find it hard to
> believe that I actually built her -- of course, I
> had help, but it's
> still incredible that someone as unhandy as me could
> put her together.
>
> Anyway, when I got your message, I knew that this
> was Little Gay's
> chance to show her stuff. She was enthusiastic, too
> (I'm gonna have to
> watch that; LG seems to have a propensity to zip all
> over the place
> without too much care for getting back. Oh, well,
> I'll play the heavy
> if I have to). Once we had Lara -- who, thank God
> (and I say it
> reverently), was strong enough to hang on; think I'm
> gonna need a
> sidecar if I do this again -- it was easy enough to
> head for the
> co-ordinates that a "friend" of mine had supplied.
>
> Subjective travel time was close enough to zero to
> make no difference;
> in fact, you and I may have to get together and
> think about how we
> might measure it -- if we think it's worth the
> effort. My "friend" had
> apparently sent word ahead, and the medstaff were
> waiting for us. They
> rushed Lara into stasis and left Gay and I to cool
> our heels for a
> while.
>
> After a short wait, I was called in to hear the bad
> news: even
> without her wound, Lara's cellular deterioration was
> irreversible. The
> _good_ news, though, was that all hope was not lost;
> what they could do
> was to take a cell sample and grow her another body
> -- another clone,
> but without frog DNA (the woman sniffed at that, as
> though it was in
> bad taste at the very least) or any cellular
> weakness; _this_ body
> would age at the normal rate. Once it was grown,
> they'd "transfer" her
> into it somehow -- how, they didn't say.
>
> Then they stunned me by asking for my permission as
> Lara's next-of-kin!
> I tried to explain, but the idea seemed to be that I
> was the only
> person from the same era, so I got to say yes or no.
> I couldn't see
> that she could come to any more harm by it, so I
> agreed -- the poor
> girl was going to die in a few minutes, anyway. The
> cellular breakdown
> seemed to get worse once we arrived at the hospital,
> and I only hope
> the time travel didn't have anything to do with it;
> I don't _think_ so,
> but that's one reason why we might want to look at
> subjective time
> rates during transit.
>
> Back to cooling my heels and chatting with Gay via
> the comlink... until
> Lara suddenly came running into the room and hugged
> me -- there are
> worse ways to relieve hospital boredom, I can tell
> you! We all got a
> bit teary with joy, even Gay (not literally in her
> case, but there was
> emotion in her voice; she's got a real personality,
> that one).
>
> After the formalities (not many; one of the true
> advances of technology
> is that "paperwork" in that era has been cut to a
> minimum), we were on
> our way. Now that she was in a fit condition to
> appreciate it, Lara
> thought riding on Little Gay was fun -- at least at
> the start, because
> the trip home was a bit rough.
>
> I didn't know it at the time, but Lara had attracted
> the interest of
> another time traveller, and we were... diverted from
> our course in a
> subtle and unexpected way. After some rather
> unpleasant buffeting (and
> I used to think riding a bike in gale-force
> crosswinds was bad!), we
> arrived in Metropolis -- just not the one we
> expected.
>
> Remember the parallel universe concept from quantum
> mechanics? Guess
> what -- there is now evidence of its validity. Yep,
> courtesy of our
> unknown observer, we'd been sent "sideways" -- along
> "teh" axis, IIRC
> -- to another timeline which was very like ours, but
> with a few
> differences.
>
> One of those differences relates to what our mutual
> friend Clark
> does... shall we say, away from the office? I'll say
> no more here: if
> you know (and by now, I think you do -- or so I was
> told), then you'll
> know what I mean; if not, forget I mentioned it.
> Anyway, "he" (i.e.,
> his counterpart) turned up almost immediately after
> we arrived -- and
> looked like he'd been hit by a sledgehammer (one
> that would actually
> work on him, too!). Lara was a good match for him,
> as well.
>
> It seems that, in that timeline, Lois Lane was
> killed before Clark Kent
> ever met her, except that he had met her, somehow --
> an alternative
> her, and from what I gathered, it may even have been
> _our_ Lois.
> Anyway, he had been missing her badly, and now, here
> was Lara. You know
> I'm a hopeless romantic, but if I ever saw love at
> first sight, that
> was it! You could have knocked them both down with a
> feather --
> provided that they fell in the same direction, and
> preferably one on
> top of the other.
>
> About now, the other time traveller showed up, full
> of apologies; he'd
> wanted to catch us at the hospital, but LG was too
> quick
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You got me with this last part.

I am really enjoying it, but please please finish it.

Since I dont read a piece in depth until it's finished, I am in great agony,
just taking peaks.

Charlotte
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Phil

Congratulations to you on a very clever solution. I look forward to
reading of your further experiments!

Liz

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(this is the first e-mail I'm sending on my *new* computer, let's hope
it works <g>)  (sorry that it wasn't earlier, Petra, but I had a rough
night last night and overslept)

TITLE: Just Like That...?
PART: 6/7
AUTHOR: Pam Jernigan (jernigan@bellsouth.net)
RATING: PG
FEEDBACK: Any and all kinds accepted, in public or private.  I'm still
working on this, so I'll take any helpful comments.
SUMMARY: Asabi has switched Lois (Wanda) into the body of a blond clone
-- now that she's remembered who she is, she has to convince Clark.

***

After she'd gone, Clark remained still, staring at nothing.  Finally, he
moved, retreating to the bedroom.  Sitting on the side of the bed, he
reached for the picture that was lying face down on the headboard.  It
was one of the few pictures to survive the clone's destructive fit of
jealousy; a shot of Lois smiling proudly.  He studied it for a long time
before speaking.

"I don't know how to live without you, Lois," he admitted softly.  "I
can't work, I can't eat.  Superman is on autopilot and frankly, he's
starting not to care.  Without you ... what's the point?"

He stared at the picture, hoping for an answer, but none came, just
fragments of memories of their time together.  Fragments that seemed to
blur in his mind, as his eyes grew heavy.  He laid back on the bed,
holding the picture against his chest, a poor substitute for the real
thing.  But the emotional outburst, on top of his previous lack of
sleep, had worn him out, and before he knew it, he was deeply asleep.

***

Late that afternoon, Lois left the temporary services' office with a new
appreciation for the problems of the homeless.  She couldn't get a job
without an address ... but she couldn't get a place to stay without
money.  Luckily, she had a little money left -- enough to pay for a
week's stay at the Apollo Hotel, anyway, but it didn't leave her much
cash left over to eat, or buy a change of clothes.  She sighed, and set
off walking towards the hotel.  Somehow, she'd manage to make it long
enough to convince Clark -- she just wished she knew how long that was
going to be.

She wasn't sure what more she could do to prove herself to him.  She'd
already mentioned a number of things that no one else should know about,
but it was obvious that he was in no mood to listen.  At this point, she
thought to herself with grim humor, he probably wouldn't accept a signed
affidavit from God.  Until that changed, she would just have to survive
as best as she could.

Not for the first time, she wondered if she should have gone to
Smallville instead of Metropolis.  Her own parents would never believe
her, and this was undoubtedly beyond Jonathan's realm of experience, but
Martha might be able to deal with it.  It was too late to travel there
now, but perhaps she could call them from Clark's apartment.  Apart from
his stubborn refusal to believe her, he was being very kind.  Assuming
that last outburst hadn't changed his mind ... worried, she changed
course and headed towards Clinton Street.

As she threaded her way through the early evening crowd of pedestrians,
her thoughts turned to the problem of clothes.  She had one pair of
jeans and two shirts ... and the woman at the temp agency had strongly
hinted that jeans were not appropriate office attire.  Maybe Clark had
some of her old clothes, still.  Not that they'd fit, of course; her new
body was somewhat taller, and differently proportioned, but--

Her musings were abruptly interrupted when a hand gripped her elbow.  A
familiar, hated voice hissed, "Ah, there you are, my dear.  I've been
looking all over for you."

***

Clark woke up slowly, savoring the remnants of a pleasant dream.  He'd
have to tell Lois -- abruptly, he remembered that she was gone.  He
waited, resigned, for the crushing load of guilt and grief to descend,
but ... it didn't.  In its place, he felt a strange sense of peace.

A number of people had told him that time healed all wounds, and perhaps
they were right.  Or maybe by finally venting his feelings, he was now
better able to deal with them.  Whatever the cause, he was grateful that
his heartache had eased and his head had cleared.

Actually, the heartache had started to improve late last night -- when
the woman calling herself Lois had barreled into his life.  Now that his
mind was calmer, he was more able to evaluate her story.
Dispassionately, he reviewed everything she'd said.  Without the
distracting storm of emotion, her story was not only plausible, it
looked pretty convincing.  He felt hope rising within him -- might he be
able to get Lois back?

Her body was gone, of course, and he was going to miss it ... but the
new one had its good points, too.  And the real reason he loved her had
nothing to do with the external, anyway.  The only important thing about
a body was that it be healthy.

He worried for a moment, remembering how the clone of Lois had just --
stopped functioning, shortly after leading them to Lex's underground
hideout.  Would this new clone body also wear out that quickly?  If she
died again, so soon, it would be even worse than discovering that she
was a fake.  But no, she'd said that Lex Luthor was also wearing a
clone; he wouldn't sentence himself to death like that.

His relief was abruptly overshadowed by fear.  Lois had said that Lex
was hunting her ... and she was out there, alone, unprotected.  As fast
as thought, he was dressed as Superman and heading out over the city.
He had to find her.

***

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"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
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A good book that might help with writer's block is Natalie Goldberg's
WRITING DOWN THE BONES.  It's easy to find on Amazon.

quinn
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Hi Dean-o-maniacs:

I apologize to all those who are not but some of you might want to know
that:

The Mindy McCready interview on CNN is supposed to be shown today at 4:30
pm and 3 am EST.

Pass it on:)

The promo said it would be about her getting over Dean "Superman" Cain and
getting a new record label.

Thanks,
Carolyn
cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu

P.S.  I have no access at the moment to the LoisandClarkNAOS@onelist.com
list at the moment so please feel free to repost it there:)
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Irene wrote:

<<I loved this, Phil.

'Number of the Beast' is one of my favourite Heinlein
novels, and it was fun to read about your version of
Gay Deceiver.  She's one of my favourite characters
even if she doesn't have a biological body!

Great job of plagiarizing, er, um, I mean adapting
Heinlein's version of time-travel to this story line.

Well done!>>

Oh...  I missed all that.  I'd better start reading science fiction -- guess
years spent watching various incarnations of Star Trek don't cut it.

Carol
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AUTHOR: Christine Carr (c.carr@virgin.net)
RATING: PG
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SUMMARY: In the aftermath of Mayson Drake's death,
Lois and Clark find time to talk about their feelings in this
rewrite of Resurrection's B-plot.

******

"What are you doing here?" Clark asked as he opened the
door.

Lois ignored the coolness in his tone, barged past him,
stalked down the steps, and stopped. Instead of standing
safely in the middle of his living room, Lois felt as though
she were high on a crumbling ledge, needing only one false
move, or a gust of wind, to send her tumbling down into
the ocean below. Careful to maintain her balance, she
turned to face him, her arms crossed tightly against her
body in defence against the conversation to come. "Clark,"
she said, "we need to talk."

"What about?"

The flatness of his voice ought to have put her off, but,
instead, seemed to make her more determined to reach
him. "What about?" she parroted in consternation.  "About
us. About you and me, and about what you think you saw,
back at my apartment."

Clark walked slowly after her, careful to keep his distance.
Then he slumped down onto the sofa and stared up at her.
In a monotone he said, "What I saw, Lois, was you,
dressed for bed, hair dripping, and Scardino. . ." He trailed
off. Then he said, more quietly, the hurt finally penetrating
into his voice, "It's none of my business what you do with
Scardino. I mean, it's not like we're exclusive or anything.
We just had one date-"

"And it was a great date," interjected Lois.

Her words went unheeded as Clark continued, "But I'd
hoped that. . ." He shook his head, as though he were
trying to expel the remnants of whatever dreams he'd had
for them.

Lois moved to sit at the other end of the couch, close
enough to ease some of the tension that was building in the
room. "Clark," she said again, "it wasn't what you think. I
was drying my hair when I heard sounds in my apartment. I
went to investigate, and it was Dan."

"Scardino?"

Lois nodded. "He'd broken in." She began to smile at the
memory, and quickly strove to crush the quirk of her lips.
However, she wasn't quite fast enough to hide her
expression from Clark.

"What's so funny about that?" he asked, despite himself.

"Oh, nothing," Lois said. "Except his expression when I
felled him with a sink plunger."

Clark raised his eyebrows.

Suddenly sombre, Lois said, "And that's more or less when
you came in. I can see how you might have jumped to the
conclusion you did, but I'd hoped you knew me better than
that."

"So did I, but you have seemed interested in him, and I. . ."
Clark trailed off, and glanced away, unable to look her in
the eye.

"And you, what?" prompted Lois.

"I've been shutting you out."

"Oh, so you are aware of that, then?" she said, an
unexpected bite in her tone.

Clark nodded his head reluctantly. "I wanted to explain last
night. I would have, if Scardino hadn't arrived."

Lois nodded. "So," she said, "explain now."

"Mayson. She. . ." Clark spoke reluctantly as though he
had to struggle to get the words out.

"Did you love her, Clark?" Lois asked, impatient to get to
the heart of the matter, and suddenly desperate to know
the truth. There was no censure in Lois's voice, just
genuine concern. "I didn't think that you did, but the way
you've been since she died - withdrawn, not talking to me
- I . . ."

"No, Lois. I didn't love her. I couldn't love her. There
were things that we would never have been able to
resolve." Suddenly restless, he stood up and started pacing,
just as Lois had done earlier in her own apartment.

Then he stopped, and, this time, when he looked at her, his
gaze was so intense that Lois gasped with the shock of it.
The pain she saw on his face was heart- wrenching. She
blinked nervously and wiped her hands on her thighs.
Whatever was wrong, it was far more than a nascent
relationship gone awry, and that realisation scared her.

"You told Scardino that I was the only person in
Metropolis who didn't know Mayson loved me," said
Clark.

Lois nodded. She remembered.

"You were wrong. I did know. I found out when we went
for lunch that day. I heard her say it as I was leaving to. . .
contact Superman for you, but I pretended that I hadn't. I
didn't want to deal with it then, and I thought that we'd
have time to sort it all out later." Clark was suddenly
squatting in front of Lois, grasping her hands in his own as
he continued, desperate to make her understand. "She
asked me whether there was any future for us, and when I
couldn't answer, she asked if it was because of you.  She'd
guessed the truth even though I couldn't bring myself to
tell her. . ." Clark screwed his eyes closed. "I should have
told her."

Without thinking, Lois gently withdrew her right hand
from his grasp and raised it to his face, gently stroking his
cheek with her fingers. Her touch shocked his eyes open,
and she could see the unshed tears pooling there.

"And then," he said, gulping as he spoke, "when she was. .
. You and I. . . We were kissing. . . and then. . . she was in
my arms, and she was dying, and she. . ." He wrenched his
hands away suddenly, standing back, and turning away,
unable to tell Lois the rest of it.

Lois rose to stand behind him. She put her hand on his
shoulder, and was shocked as he flinched in response to her
touch. Trying to comfort him, she said, "You couldn't have
done anything differently. And Mayson. . . she died in the
arms of the man she loved. That must have been some
comfort to her. If it had been me, I-"

"No!" The word was wrenched from him, and he stepped
out of her reach, refusing to be comforted.  "You don't
understand!"

"Then make me understand!" demanded Lois, suddenly
angry, and wondering at her chosen course of action.  She
didn't *want* to hear this. She wanted to flee from the
emotionally charged situation. She didn't *want* to be
involved, and yet, despite her reluctance to continue with
this - whatever this was - she stayed. "Tell me why this
hurts you so much!"

Clark hung his head and whispered softly, "I can't."

Lois felt a surge of fury at his pig-headedness, at his refusal
to open up to her when she was fighting her own demons
to be there for him. **The least he could do,** she
thought, **is to make this easy for me.** Then she caught
sight of his fists clenching and unclenching with tension,
and she knew that she had to get through to him.

"Clark," she tried again, more gently this time. "I don't
know what the matter is, but something is wrong, and it's
tearing you up inside. Talk to me, please? I'm here for you.
You know that."

She watched as he seemed to shrink in on himself, the
unbearable tension leaching from his body. He allowed
himself to be guided back to the sofa where he sat down
slowly, his head lowered.

Lois gingerly seated herself next to him and draped her arm
across his hunched shoulders, trying to draw him closer to
her. At least, this time, he didn't pull away from her touch.
Rather, he seemed to ignore the contact. Still, Lois
supposed that was progress of a sort.

"Tell me, Clark," she coaxed again. "Maybe I can help."

"No-one can help. If I tell you what really happened. . .  I
think. . . you might hate me. I think she must have, at the
end."

"Clark?" whispered Lois, shocked both by his words and
by the self-loathing in his tone. "Please, Clark. . . you've
got to talk to me," she said, shaking him lightly in her one-
armed hug.

He gulped. Swallowed. Then he nodded.

Lois realised, relieved, that she'd finally managed to wear
down his resistance, and that, whatever he was going to
force her to hear, it would be over soon, one way or the
other.

Clark eased himself out of her embrace and twisted in the
seat so that he was facing her.

"I guess I do need to talk to someone, and it makes sense
that it should be you." He fell silent again, but when he
next spoke, a few moments later, his voice was stronger,
determined. "There's something I've been wanting to tell
you for a long time, but the time just never seems right,
somehow."

"And it does now?" she asked.

He shook his head. "No. But I'm not sure that there will
ever be a right time for this. And Mayson. . ."  Clark shook
his head again. "I wasn't very honest with Mayson. About
a lot of things. And I led her on, letting her believe that
there was a chance for us, even when I knew that it was
impossible."

"Because you didn't love her."

Clark nodded his agreement. "That was part of it, yes."

Part of it? Lois frowned, wondering what else there could
have been. However, she didn't have time to puzzle over
his words because Clark was still talking.

"I've only ever loved one woman, Lois, and I think you
know who that is."

Lois nodded fractionally, hoping that she knew the answer.
However, she wanted - needed - to hear him say it. She
needed to be sure. In a small voice, nervous, she said, "And
that woman is?"

"You." His voice was hushed, almost reverent, and also
very, very scared.

Lois's lips parted in a small 'o' of surprise. No, she
decided, not surprise, because, despite all her doubts, deep
down she'd known the truth of his feelings for a long time.
Rather it was relief, intermixed with joy, and she realised
that she felt the same way. This felt right.

"And that's what you wanted to tell me? I'm glad because,
you see, I think I love-"

Clark raised his right hand, forestalling her. "No, Lois.
Please don't say it. Not until I've finished. And only then,
if. . ."

"If?"

"If you mean it. You might change your mind after what
I'm about to tell you." Clark tilted his head up toward the
ceiling, gathering his strength for what was to come. "You
see, Lois, just as I wasn't completely honest with Mayson,
I've not been honest with you."

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******

Clark put his weight onto his arms as he leaned against the
balcony wall. He screwed his eyes tightly shut against his
churning emotions and let his thoughts drift. He knew that
the pain he was currently feeling was a consequence not so
much of who, but of what he was. Because of his
Kryptonian heritage, he could never confide fully in the
people with whom he lived and worked: he was forced to
bottle up his feelings, locking them out of sight. Usually he
managed to contain them while he came to terms with
them, but, sometimes, they fermented until the build up of
tension became too much, and they exploded from deep
within. Yet, even then, he usually managed to channel his
outbursts in one particular direction. He feared the
consequences of striking out physically, and so his anger
was more normally vented in the form of softly spoken
words, all the more powerful for their silent fury.

After such outbursts, which were mercifully rare, he hated
himself. He remembered with pain the lead-lined robe
crack he, as Superman, had once made to Lois as a case in
point. The hurt he'd inflicted on her had been an ill-
conceived consequence of his need to vent, rather than a
coldly calculated attempt to hurt.

Tonight, his comment to Lois had been the first sign of the
torrent that was to come. Now, in the privacy of his own
apartment, his emotions, contained over the last week,
came flooding forth, demanding release. He felt burdened
by feelings of loss, sorrow and soul-destroying guilt.

Mayson's death had hit him hard. His friends and
colleagues had done their best to offer what support they
could, but they couldn't really understand what was going
on. He couldn't tell them that, whatever feelings he'd had
for Mayson - and they, in any case had been a jumble he'd
never really understood himself - they were now overlain
by guilt. Guilt that he had not saved her. Guilt that she had
died in the arms of a stranger, a curious mix of two men,
one that she'd loved, and the other that she'd despised.
Guilt that he hadn't returned her feelings. Guilt that, even
though he had never meant to, he had undoubtedly hurt
her. Now that guilt, along with the effort to hide it away,
was ripping him apart, from the inside out.

The funeral had been well nigh unbearable, not just because
that was the way of funerals, but because he had felt like a
hypocrite. The whole affair had been depressing. Mayson's
parents had been notable by their absence, and a good
proportion of the mourners - Lois, Perry and Jimmy
among them - were his colleagues, there to support him,
rather than to pay their respects to the deceased. Who had
the other mourners been, he wondered. Not friends, he
reasoned. Had they been friends, he would have been
pushed aside for someone who had known her better, or, at
least, had known her longer. Whose idea had it been to cast
him in the role of chief mourner, anyway?

Mayson, in death, had given up secrets that he would
rather not have known. He began to see just how lonely
she had been: that helped to explain the effort she had put
into developing a relationship with him. And that, in turn,
made him feel even worse.

**I should have told her from the beginning,** he thought,
**that there was no future for us. I should have explained
that I love Lois, and that anyone else could only ever be
second best.**

But he hadn't. The attraction Mayson had felt for Clark
Kent, and her forceful drive in pursuing him, had been
intimidating and, he had to admit, curiously flattering.  Was
that why he had not discouraged her more? At the time,
he'd rationalised his behaviour away on the grounds that
spurning her advances would hurt her.  Now, though, he
was forced to question his motives: after all, hurt had been
inevitable.

Morosely he wondered, why hadn't he put her straight?
Because he was a coward, too used to keeping a secret to
risk it by suggesting that there could be nothing between
them? He'd come to understand Mayson well enough to
know that she would have asked questions, pressing for
answers that he couldn't have provided. Or was it because
it flattered his ego to know that she was there, wanting
him, when Lois seemed to be in two minds about pursuing
a relationship?

It had been an enormous shock to his system when, at the
end, Mayson had stumbled upon the truth about Superman.
As she died, he had, for a moment, felt a profound sense of
relief, knowing that his secret was safe once more. He had
immediately quashed the feeling, horrified at himself for
even entertaining it. And that, too, compounded the guilt
he felt.

The phone began to ring inside the apartment, pulling
Clark back to the present. He wondered what to do about
it. Could he simply ignore it, or would that be irresponsible
of him? He was grateful when it fell silent after just two
rings, taking the need to make a decision out of his hands.

He sighed as his meandering thoughts reclaimed him.

Lois. There was another problem that needed addressing,
and he wasn't even sure where he should begin.

She'd stood by him at the funeral, the supportive best
friend she purported to be. But since?

He'd been horrified yesterday when she had asked him if
he'd lost interest in her. Only then had he realised the
extent of the damage his distancing, his unwillingness or
inability to confide in her, was causing. He'd wanted to
reassure her that his moods had been nothing to do with
how he felt about her. He needed to explain that his
feelings for her remained unchanged. Would always remain
unchanged. It was just that-

But his explanation had been cut short by the arrival of
Scardino, and, since then, matters had deteriorated further.
Had his behaviour really been so bad that he'd pushed her
into the arms of that. . . that. . .

He thought Lois had more sense. But then, she'd almost
married Luthor, and what did that say about Lois's
relationships with men?

He mentally chastised himself for allowing the thought to
take form, but . . . just now . . . to find Scardino in her
apartment, and Lois in her pyjamas, her hair dripping. . .
Maybe the conclusions he'd drawn had been hasty ones,
but what else was he supposed to think?

He sighed again, suddenly feeling tired, and more lonely
that he'd ever done in his life. A week ago, in the street, as
he'd kissed Lois, he had touched joy. The contrast between
that sublime moment and his situation now was absolute.

He fleetingly considered flying out to Smallville to see his
parents: they always supported him, and usually they found
a way to cheer him, even when he was in one of his
blackest moods. But he dismissed the idea: it was late, and
they'd already be in bed. It wouldn't be fair to wake them
when they'd have to be hard at work on the farm in a few
hours time.

Then he thought about going on a patrol, but he abandoned
that idea, too. He knew that nothing untoward was going
on this evening. Going out would merely be doing busy-
work, and he didn't have the enthusiasm for that tonight.

His introspection was suddenly cut short by a frantic
banging on his front door and a voice yelling, "Clark!
Clark? Are you in there?! Open up! I need to talk to you!"

Lois. Clark recognised her voice, her frantic heartbeat, and
even her smell as it permeated his enhanced senses.  For a
moment he considered ignoring her, but ignoring Lois was
like ignoring life itself. It couldn't be done.  He reached for
his glasses, and reluctantly went inside.

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cont in part 3
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Lois frowned, unable to see where this was going.  "You
*don't* love me?" she asked, puzzled.

The doubt and confusion in Lois's voice focused his
attention. His eyes bore into hers as he said vehemently,
"Lois, you have to believe me when I tell you that I love
you. I've loved you from the moment that we met.  Never,
never doubt that!"

"Then what. . .?"

He looked away again as he began to talk, staring
unseeingly into the middle distance. "I didn't. . . tell you
everything about Mayson's death. This is difficult, Lois.
Really difficult for me to say. But I. . . The way Mayson
found out as she was dying. It can't have eased her
passing, and it made me realise that, if there is ever to be
any hope for us, you've got to know. . ."

"Know what? Clark, you're scaring me! Nothing can be so
bad as you're implying! Can it?" Lois began to reach out as
if to touch him, but she arrested her gesture before it was
complete. She pulled her arms back, hugging them to
herself instead.

"I don't know, Lois. You'll have to be the judge of that.
But, remember, whatever happens, I do love you.  I trust
you. And I'll abide by whatever decision you make
afterwards. If you want me out of your life, I'll leave. If
you want to. . ." He shook his head, refusing to finish the
thought.

"Clark. . ."

He swallowed. Then he said, "Perhaps the easiest way is
just for me to show you."

He took her right hand, and his touch sent a jolt of. . .
something. . . through her body. He guided it towards the
buttoned seam of his shirt. Then he eased her fingers
between the buttons, allowing her to feel beneath.

Lois's eyes widened as her fingers touched skin-tight fabric
instead of flesh. She raised her left hand towards the
buttons, undid one, and peeked through the resultant gap.

The primary colours of the suit were muted by the shade
cast by his street clothes, but she nonetheless could easily
make out the blue of its body and the red and yellow of the
lower angled corner of the famous S shield.

Was this his idea of a practical joke? She opened her
mouth to ask, but then shut it again as she answered her
own question. Of course it was no joke: Clark hadn't
known that she was coming over. He couldn't have known
to wear the suit under his clothes, and it wasn't something
one would do on the off-chance. Still, she found herself
doubting the evidence of her senses.

She lifted her head to look at his face. She was stunned to
see trepidation there as he waited for her to do something,
anything, and it dispelled the last of her doubts. Nobody
could fake that much fear. "You," she said, "you're
Superman." It was a statement, not a question.

He nodded.

A moment of jealous anger threatened to overwhelm Lois.
Mayson had known this? She'd known something about
which Clark had wilfully kept her in the dark? Keeping her
voice carefully neutral, giving no sign of the hurt she felt at
the unfairness of it all, Lois said, "And Mayson. . . She
knew this?" Maybe, Lois thought desperately, she'd
misunderstood him.

Again Clark nodded, shattering Lois's hope. "My shirt was
ripped in the explosion, and she found out as I held her.
She'd guessed that I'd been keeping something from her,
but I think she just thought it was to do with my
relationship with you.

"I told you that her last word was, 'Resurrection,' but what
I didn't tell you was that, before that, she managed to say,
'So, that's what you've been hiding'. There's no doubt,
Lois. She knew." Clark sighed. "Everyone thinks that
Mayson died in the arms of the man she loved."

Lois nodded. She'd said as much, herself, just now, trying
to offer Clark some measure of comfort. As he continued
to talk, she began to see why he'd refused to be comforted
and her anger dissipated almost as fast as it had developed.

"It wasn't really true, though, was it? She. . . didn't trust
Superman. She made no secret of that. But I think her
dislike went deeper than that. She would never have
wanted an alien." His voice faded into a whisper as he
spoke. "She could never have wanted me. Not the real me.
And I couldn't explain. . . I couldn't tell her. . . and so she
died, finding out that . . . everything she felt about me was
a lie. That I was a lie."

Suddenly Clark's recent moodiness and the feelings of guilt
he had been harbouring made sense to Lois.

She thought for a moment, and realised that he had been
wise to hold her back from saying that she loved him: this
did make a difference although it was too soon for her to
say what that difference might be. She would have to think
hard about the implications of what she had learned here
tonight. However, that would have to wait. For now, it
was his need that she had to address.  He was in pain, and
she had to do what she could to ease his suffering.

She gathered him into her arms, determinedly fighting her
nervousness as she did so, knowing that, whatever
happened afterwards, their relationship would be
profoundly altered by what was happening now. Raw, he
resisted her embrace for a moment before he allowed
himself to relax into it. He lifted his arms, wrapping them
around her slender body, and let himself be comforted at
last.

 *****

Clark's breathing slowed as Lois rocked him gently, talking
soft nonsense that neither of them would remember
afterwards. His exhaustion pulled him into sleep and her
movements became smaller as his weight grew heavy
against her body. When she was sure he'd dropped off,
Lois carefully disentangled herself from their embrace,
easing him gently down onto the cushions. She looked
down at him and noticed that his glasses had been pushed
out of position by the cushions on which his face now
rested. She tentatively reached out, removed and folded
them, then carefully put them aside. Then she tip-toed into
his bedroom, returning moments later with a blanket to
spread over him. As she tucked it in place she wondered
whether he actually needed it. Probably not, she realised
with a jolt. He was Superman, and Superman didn't feel
cold.

*Clark* was *Superman.*  That was going to take some
getting used to!  Lois suddenly realised that knowing and
accepting the fact of Clark's double life were two very
different things, and she wondered whether she would ever
be able to reconcile the two sides of him.

She crouched beside him, gazing at him thoughtfully.
Unable to stop herself, but feeling like a child stealing a
forbidden treat, she reached out and gently brushed his
drooping forelock away from his face. She frowned at her
self-consciousness. She'd never felt that way around Clark
before, and the feeling unnerved her.

She thought about leaving then, and running back to the
sanctuary of her own apartment, but she found she wasn't
ready to do that yet.  Despite her disquieting new
knowledge, the fact remained that he - both of him - had
been her friend for a long time.  She suspected, now that
his storm of emotions were played out, that he would be all
right, but she wanted to be sure.  She would stay, just in
case her friend needed her again.

Moving as quietly as she could, she went into the kitchen
and fixed herself a drink, cursing gently as the kettle hissed
and gurgled its way to boiling, and sighing with relief when
she realised that he was deeply enough unconscious for the
noise not to disturb him. Taking her mug with her to the
dining table, she sat down.

In the silence of the apartment she could hear his even
breathing and the creaking sounds of the building settling.

Now that the crisis was over, Lois had the luxury of time
to think about what had just happened. To say that the
evening hadn't turned out as she'd expected was
something of an understatement. She'd known that Clark
had been affected deeply by Mayson's death, but who
could have guessed at the secrets he'd kept carefully
hidden? Not just the obvious one, that he moonlighted as a
superhero, though that had been startling enough, but that
her quiet partner was capable of such depth of emotion.

She'd come to Clark's apartment, full of trepidation for the
kind of reception she would receive. She'd expected to
have to struggle to make him see things from her
perspective, to make him understand what had really
happened with Dan. Instead, he'd taken her version of
events at face value. It belatedly crossed Lois's mind that
Clark had trusted her to give an accurate account of the
incident, not doubting her for a moment.

The emotionally charged atmosphere had been more than
she'd bargained for, though, and, now that it was over, she
realised just how fraught the whole thing had been. She'd
barely had time to take stock of her own reactions while
everything was happening, but, now that she had time to
reflect, she found herself shaking. She knew that she shied
away from emotionally difficult situations, given half the
chance, finding them more frightening than the men with
guns and knives she encountered from time to time in her
job. The threat of muggers on the streets of Metropolis
was, to her, less scary than the thought of baring her soul
to another, or having to witness another baring their soul
to her.

Yet, that was what had just happened, and, relying on
instinct, she'd survived the experience, surprising herself
with her ability to cope. Now, though, she found herself
questioning the wisdom of lavishing more care, beyond
that required by the bonds of friendship, on Clark,
Superman, or whoever the person across the room really
was.

Lois took a tentative sip of the hot liquid, stared at the
tabletop, and thought about what she'd learned this
evening.

No longer could she doubt that he loved her: he'd made his
feelings very plain. It was more her feelings for him that
she questioned. His shocking revelation hadn't changed the
way her heart had reached out towards him in his hour of
need, but her head was now making her question the reality
of who it was she'd thought she'd loved. She'd, just that
evening, finally admitted to herself that she loved a guy
called Clark, only to discover soon afterwards that the
Clark she thought she'd known didn't really exist. She
wondered why she wasn't angry at him for what he'd just
put her through, or for lying to her for so long. After all,
she reacted to every difficult situation with anger: it was
her defensive way of dealing with anything that disturbed
her equilibrium and the discovery that Clark was the most
powerful man on Earth was certainly disturbing.

There had been a time, not so long ago, when Lois had
dreamed about being loved by the being Cat Grant had
once described as a god in a cape. But Lois had grown up
a lot since then. Where once she had been attracted and
fascinated by power - and that, she supposed, was what
had attracted her to both Superman and Luthor - her
almost-marriage had made her rethink her priorities.
Power, on its own, no longer held any appeal for her.
Over the last few months her dreams had shifted towards
the notion of a true partnership between equals, where love
could be given and received without its posing a threat to
her autonomy. Clark, her partner at work, could, she had
begun to think, also become her partner for life.

Now, though, she wasn't so sure anymore, because, here
she was, sitting in Clark's apartment, with the object of her
abandoned fantasies lying not ten feet away. Yes, she
admitted, Superman was certainly attractive, but he was
not a man with whom a woman could build a future.

Lois looked up and gazed across at the couch. She cocked
her head to one side as she contemplated the sleeping man,
and she was relieved to find that he looked quite unlike the
Superman she had thought she'd known. Of course, he
didn't look much like Clark, either. This, she supposed,
was the real man, neither Clark, hiding behind glasses, nor
Superman with his stern visage and slicked-back hair.  He
was so different like this. Without his glasses, and his face
relaxed in sleep, he appeared younger than normal.

(cont in part 5)
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rewrite of Resurrection's B-plot.

She could tell from his smooth forehead, free of worry
lines, that he was resting peacefully. It was a peace that she
had helped to bring about, and, despite all her doubts, she
found herself being proud about that.  A look of tenderness
sprang on her face, and a half smile playing around her
mouth.

Then her gentle expression shifted into a wary frown as she
wondered what the morning would bring. He'd passed into
her possession his greatest secret, and she wondered how
they were going to deal with that. His words earlier, and
his promise to leave her if she so desired, cut deep, telling
her that he expected her to reject him. He had so much
self-doubt, she thought, surprised. Who would have
imagined it? Superman was always so confident whenever
he appeared, and Clark had always given her the
impression of being at ease with himself, laid back, almost.
How could she never have seen through the masks he
wore, especially since she wore one of her own?

On the outside she was Mad Dog Lane, headstrong career
woman, plunging headlong after stories, regardless of the
cost and heedless of the consequences.  On the inside she
was quite different though, possessed of a far gentler
personality than that which she sought to portray lest it be
seen as a sign of weakness. She could trace the roots of her
behaviour easily enough, back to a father whose
expectations she had never been able to satisfy and to a
handful of relationships that had left her reeling in their
wake. But, her doubts were hers alone, and, over time,
she'd become adept at hiding them from view. Only with
Clark, for some reason, had she ever been able to unbend
enough to allow a glimpse of the real person inside her
hard exterior slip through.

Oh, yes, she knew all about wearing masks and disguises,
and yet. . . she'd been blind to the disguises worn by her
partner.

Where had his self-doubt come from, she wondered,
remembering what he'd said about Mayson. "She would
never have wanted an alien," he'd said. "She could never
have wanted me. Not the real me." Then, chewing on her
lip, she'd remembered Trask, and his paranoid pursuit of
Superman: he'd almost killed both her and his parents in
his haste to destroy what he'd perceived to be an alien
threat. And what about the demonstrators who surfaced at
the least provocation to denounce Superman's presence in
the city, about Arianna Carlin's carefully orchestrated
campaign of hatred. . .?

Even those who claimed to support his activities often
seemed to take him for granted, thinking only of what he
could do for them, and never what they could do for him in
return. More than once, Lois had felt like a voice lost in the
wilderness as she tried to explain that it wasn't Superman's
strength or powers that interested her, but his personality;
what she'd once described as his innate goodness.

No wonder, she realised, he hid Superman away so
carefully when he was the target of so much prejudice.
Moreover, she had seen, first hand, how Superman's
existence had, on more than one occasion, put those he
loved in danger. **How does he cope,** she wondered,
**day in and day out, dealing not only with that, but with
the traumas of the things Superman sees and does? Seeing
the greatest tragedies unfolding as he goes to rescue people
from train wrecks, or earthquakes, or monsoons, or
whoever the latest megalomaniac criminal is?**

The answer was, of course, he coped as best he could, and
this evening had shown her that sometimes that just wasn't
enough. He needed someone to be his strength when he
was done being everyone else's, someone to ease away his
doubts and pain, someone to love, and someone to love
him. She'd been there for him tonight, but, she wondered,
did she have the strength to do that, day in, day out. A
relationship with Clark, she realised, would demand so
much more from her than she'd ever expected, and she
wondered if she had the strength to be his strength.

He'd promised her an out from this relationship, if she
wanted to take it, and she knew that he was a man of his
word.

Should she take it, she wondered. Probably, if she were
being sensible.

Would she take it? That was another question entirely, and
one to which she had no answer. Then, unable to fight her
fatigue anymore, she put her head down on her folded
arms, fell asleep in moments, and dreamed of precipices.

 *****

Some time later, Clark stirred to find himself lying on his
side, a blanket carefully spread over him. He felt more
relaxed than he had done in days. He had Lois to thank for
that he decided, remembering their earlier conversation and
the way she had subsequently held him and rocked him
gently as he finally let go of all his pent-up emotions. Then,
as Lois whispered soft inanities in his ear to soothe him
further, he had found his eyelids drifting closed. The nights
spent tossing and turning over the last week had finally
caught up with him, and he had fallen asleep.

Where was Lois, anyway? Had she gone home? He
stretched his senses outward and found his answer. He sat
up to see her leaning across his dining table, one of his
mugs, abandoned, in front of her. He imagined what must
have happened: she had put him to bed as best as she
could, then, deciding to keep an eye on him, she must have
made herself a drink and sat down to keep her vigil.
However, it seemed that the events of the evening had been
too much for her, too, and, now, there she was, slumped in
a position that could only give her a crick in her neck when
she woke up.

**I love you, Lois,** he thought. **I'll always love you,
no matter what.**

Deciding to repay her for her kindness, he rose as quietly
as he could from the couch and crept over to her side.
Then, oh so very gently, he lifted her up, cradling her
against his chest, and carried her into his bedroom.  He
pulled back the covers and laid her out on top of his bed,
then covered her up again. He gazed down at her fondly,
then, unable to resist, he brushed the hair away from her
face. Then he returned to the couch, still exhausted, and,
calmed by the simple fact of her presence, slept soundly
until it was almost dawn.

*****
(cont in part 6)
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SUMMARY: In the aftermath of Mayson Drake's death,
Lois and Clark find time to talk about their feelings in this
rewrite of Resurrection's B-plot.

*****

The grey light of the pre-dawn was edging into the
apartment when Lois awoke. Disorientated, she wondered
for a moment where she was. Then she recognised the
blocky outlines of the furniture, and realised that, not only
was she still in Clark's apartment, she was in his bed,
where only he could have placed her.  Rolling over, she
glanced at the luminous hands of the alarm clock. Four
thirty-one, she noted. She wondered briefly what had
woken her up at such an ungodly hour, then felt the
insistent message from her bladder as it begged for release.

She crawled out from under the covers, and frowned as she
looked down at herself. The sweats she had thrown on last
night in her hurry to come over to Clark's now had a
clammy feel to them, the result of being slept in.

A few minutes later, as she quitted the bathroom, she heard
a noise from the living area that told her Clark had also
woken up. She stretched as she walked through the open
doorway that led into the kitchen.  Clark wordlessly held
out a mug of steaming coffee for her, and she smiled as she
took it from him, trying not to feel self-conscious about her
early morning tousled look.

They sat at the table, silent, as they let the caffeine do its
job, both unsure as to how to proceed.

Finally, Clark looked up from his coffee and gazed at Lois.
"I . . . want to thank you," he said tentatively.

"What for?" Lois asked, startled by his words. She'd been
expecting him to say something about his secret.  After all,
it had to be of some concern to him, hadn't it?  She'd
expected him to ask her not to tell anyone and not to write
the Pulitzer prize winning story it could be. . .  She hadn't
expected unconditional gratitude. She had been judging
him in the light of her past experiences, she realised: she'd
been wrong to do so.

"For last night. For listening to me. For being there."  He
glanced away, apparently embarrassed. "You helped me
more than you can imagine. Last night, for the first time
since Mayson died, I slept peacefully. If I hadn't talked it
through with you, I don't think that I could have done
that."

"You're welcome," said Lois, surprising herself as she
realised that she actually meant it.

They lapsed into an uncomfortable silence again, and Lois
realised that Clark was waiting for her to take the initiative.
She ducked her head, hiding her expression behind a
curtain of hair, then said, "Clark. . . About last night. . ."

"Yes?" His voice was wary. Well, of course he was wary,
she realised. He had every right to be, given the power that
Lois now wielded over him.

"I thought about things for a long time after you'd gone to
sleep and. . ." She pursed her lips. "I want you to know
that, whatever happens between us, I'll always keep your
secret safe."

He didn't react to that. There was no outpouring of relief,
though how he could *not* be relieved was beyond her.

Brushing her hair back off her face, she took a good look
at him. "Clark? Didn't you hear what I said? I said-"

"I heard you," he said. "And I appreciate it, but. . ."

"But, what?"

"Lois, I trust you. You know that. I didn't really think that
you would tell anyone about. . . me. After all, you didn't
write about the kryptonite bullet, and. . ." He shook his
head fractionally, then shrugged. "I'm more worried about
what you want to do about. . . us."

"Oh," she said.

"I'm sorry," he said hurriedly. "I didn't mean to push you.
And I know this must be a big adjustment for you to make,
knowing that I'm. . . Well, you know."

"Yeah," said Lois, blushing slightly. "That's a good word
for it. Big."

"I promised you that I would leave, if that's what you
wanted," Clark reminded her. "I meant it."

"And what do *you* want, Clark?" asked Lois, then she
silently chastised herself for asking the question. She knew
what he wanted: it was obvious. He wanted her.

Given that certainty, she was surprised that he seemed to
give the matter careful consideration before he said softly,
"I want you to be happy."

Her eyes widened fractionally in astonishment. **So,**
thought Lois, **he's leaving the decision up to me.**  The
thought sent a shiver up her spine. All the other men she'd
known had taken things from her, whether it had been her
love, her trust, her stories, or even her job and friends.
Clark, though, was different, and she was only just
beginning to understand how different, from them all. She
knew what he wanted for himself, but he was putting her
needs and desires ahead of his own, and was leaving her to
make decisions for their future.

Lois had no doubt that Clark would willingly accept
anything that she gave him in a relationship, but she
understood now that he would never take anything from
her against her will. There was a reassurance to be found in
the freedom that he offered her.

Her instincts came to her aid then, and she suddenly knew,
then, how to answer him. Gone were her doubts of the
previous night, and gone was her confusion. For the first
time in her life she felt truly loved, and she felt herself
stepping back from the perilous cliff path, her feet fixed
firmly on solid ground at last.

"Do you honestly think that I could be happy, knowing that
I'd forced you to leave Metropolis because of me?
Because I wouldn't. Clark, I know how much your life
here means to you, how much the Planet means, too. And I
know what you mean to me." Then, in a whisper that was
barely audible to his superhearing, she muttered, "I love
you."

Now she could see the relief she'd expected at her earlier
assurance suffuse his face. He smiled at her, a truly joyous
smile, and she understood that he had been more afraid to
lose her than the had been to lose the rest of his life. "You
mean that, Lois?"

They still had a huge amount to resolve, and she could see
that they would have to make time to simply talk things
through, but they'd already made a good start, all things
told.

She nodded. "I know that we've got a lot to talk about.
But, Clark, I do want to talk about it, and I do want to
take that next step. I can't do that if you're not here."  She
was smiling at him, now, and she knew that the warmth she
saw in his eyes was reflected in her own.

Then, somehow, they were both rising from the table, and
in perfectly synchronised movements, they moved clear of
the furniture. His arms reached out to encircle her waist
even as her own reached around his neck. He leaned down
to meet her as she stood on tiptoe, raising her mouth to his.

*****

Lois watched as Clark closed the apartment door behind
them. A satisfied smile played around her mouth as she
unconsciously raised her fingers to touch the lips that he
had so recently caressed.

It hadn't been the most passionate kiss she'd ever
experienced, she thought, but it had certainly been the most
tender. It had been so much more than the transitory
satisfaction of a physical desire: it had been a contract, she
thought fancifully, between them. A silent promise for the
future.

They walked down the steps, the important things lying
unspoken, but not unheard, between them, as they
discussed plans for the coming day.

"Do you want me to walk you home?" Clark asked.

"Yes. That would be nice. I need to shower and change,
then we can get a start on investigating Gables."

A shadow detached itself from the darkness of a doorway
across the street, heading in their direction.  Lois and Clark
warily watched as it coalesced into a recognisable form,
then, in unison, they exclaimed, "Scardino!"

"What are you doing here?" Lois asked.

Scardino smiled ingratiatingly. "Well, Lois, I did say I
wouldn't be far away. I was all set to sleep on your fire
escape when I saw you leave your building. So I followed
you here." His eyes narrowed as he looked at Clark. "What
is this place, anyhow?" he asked.

Clark's forehead creased into a faint frown. "My apartment
building. Why?"

Scardino's eyebrows lifted as his smile slipped, and he
looked the two reporters up and down. Clark looked
freshly turned out for the morning, but Lois. . . Lois's
clothes had an almost slept-in look about them, and grey
pouches bruised the skin around her eyes. Yet, despite all
the signs of a sleepless night, there was an air of
contentment about her that Scardino hadn't noticed before.

Lois's mouth quirked, fully aware of the thoughts that
were crossing Scardino's mind. No matter that his
suspicions were (almost) as groundless as Clark's had been
less than twelve hours earlier, she had no desire, as she had
done with Clark, to correct him.

Mischievously, and knowing full well how it would look,
she pulled Clark's hand into her own, and said, "C'mon,
*partner*. I need that shower *now*."

"Lois!" exclaimed Clark, embarrassed by her brazen
behaviour.

Lois's smile widened as she realised that the sight of the
blush that was creeping across Clark's face was only
making matters worse for Scardino. She began to tug
Clark along the street after her, then, as though it were an
afterthought, she turned back to Scardino and said, "I take
it we'll be seeing you later? To discuss the case?"

The expression on Scardino's face as he watched them
leave, Lois thought, more than made up for all the trouble
he'd caused over the last couple of days. She hoped that,
somewhere, deep beneath his embarrassment, Clark was
enjoying this payback as much as she was.
*******
END

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Well, I said yesterday that I had another story almost ready to go...
and here it is.

TITLE: So. That's What You've Been Hiding
PART: 1/6
AUTHOR: Christine Carr (c.carr@virgin.net)
RATING: PG
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SUMMARY: In the aftermath of Mayson Drake's death,
Lois and Clark find time to talk about their feelings in this
rewrite of Resurrection's B-plot.

********
Introduction
********
Lois's behaviour in Resurrection has bothered me for a
long time. She stands by Clark at Mayson Drake's funeral,
offering moral support, just as a best friend should.
However, it is not long before she appears to put her own
needs in front of Clark's. She doesn't subsequently ask
how he is coping with Mayson's death - and having
someone die in your arms must surely be traumatic -
instead preferring to ask if she is, as she puts it, stale. Old
news. Of course, the whole situation is made worse by the
arrival of Dan Scardino. . .

But, what would have happened if Clark and Lois had
found time in the episode to talk? Really talk?

Thanks, once again, go to Irene for reading this through,
catching typos, and making helpful comments.

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SO. . . THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BEEN HIDING
By Christine Carr
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"That must have been some chat for you to need to
shower." Clark took a step backwards, putting more
distance between himself and Lois. Then, in an automatic
attempt to be polite, he said, "See you later," before he
turned away. He headed down the corridor without
looking back, the hurt he felt obvious in his body language.

"Clark?!" Lois cried after him, shocked simultaneously by
the depth of the disappointment she'd seen etched on his
face, the fact that he had jumped to such an unwarranted
conclusion, and the words he'd uttered, wielded like a
stiletto, designed to wound. She turned to face Dan
Scardino and said softly, her voice betraying none of the
anger she felt, "I think you'd better go."

"Okay. But I'm not going far," he replied. Did Lois
imagine it, or was there a smug smile in his voice, as
though he had taken satisfaction in besting her partner in
their little territorial spat? Though incensed by the notion
and by his behaviour, the tumult of her emotions left her
powerless to tell him that she was not some spoil of war to
be fought over.

Lois closed the door behind the DEA agent, her thoughts
spinning around and around. Didn't Clark know her better
than to suppose that she'd slept with Scardino? Didn't he
trust her not to jump into bed with the first moderately
attractive stranger who crossed her path?

Apparently, he didn't.

She padded barefoot across to the broom cupboard, careful
to avoid the shards of broken ornament that were scattered
across the floor. Then, with vicious jerky gestures, she set
to work, clearing up the mess left by her scuffle with
Scardino.

When she was done, and the dustpan had been emptied
into the trash, Lois dragged her hands through her hair, a
gesture borne of frustration. She was surprised to find
them dampened by the action. Somehow she had forgotten
that her hair was still wet: ironic, since that had been the
catalyst that had triggered this latest misunderstanding.

The memory of Clark's expression when Dan Scardino had
walked up behind her haunted Lois. A moment before,
Clark had been animated and enthusiastic as he'd related
his discoveries with regard to Stanley Gables, almost his
usual self again. Lois closed her eyes and sank down onto
the love seat that had been knocked over earlier, sadly
thinking that she hadn't seen him look so at ease with
himself since Mayson's funeral.  No, she amended, since
before that, even. She hadn't seen him look that relaxed
since Mayson's death.

Lois had initially put his withdrawn moodiness down to the
shock of having someone die in his arms. She, herself, had
been badly shaken by the events of that evening: how much
worse must it have been for Clark?  After all, it had been
he who had pulled Mayson from the car, he who had
nursed her broken body, and he who had heard her last
breath. Who could fail to be affected by that?

More than that, though, Clark had been much closer to
Mayson that Lois had. It was no secret that she and
Mayson had barely tolerated each other, whereas Clark, for
some reason that Lois couldn't even begin to fathom,
seemed to hold her in genuine regard.

Regard. Lois wondered whether that was all it was, the
nagging doubts she'd been experiencing over the last week
crowding in once more.

Instead of Clark's mood lightening as time passed, Lois
had been forced to watch it deepen. The pall of sadness
hanging over him forced her to ask herself some difficult
questions. Had Clark and Mayson been more than just
good friends? She hadn't thought so while Mayson was
alive, but now she was beginning to wonder.

Lois had allowed a week to go by before she'd summoned
up the courage to broach the topic with Clark. Thinking
back on the previous evening, she realised that she'd
handled the situation badly. With hindsight, her questions
appeared self-centred, even to herself. **All right,** she
admitted, **so I wanted to know where I stood, and I
wanted to know how Clark feels about me. But I also
wanted to know what Clark was thinking. I wanted to
know how he was coping. I wanted to help him, if I could.
Why couldn't I have been more direct, and just asked how
he was doing?  Why did I have to skirt around the subject,
asking if Clark had lost interest in me? If I was - what was
it I asked him? - "stale". That was it. "Old news."**

Lois sighed deeply. **I wonder what he would have told
me, if Dan hadn't arrived just then.**

Dan. There was another problem that needed addressing,
and she wasn't even sure where to begin.

It had been bad enough that he'd stepped into their private
conversation last night, destroying the intimate atmosphere
she'd been creating, and along with it the chance for an
exchange of confidences between herself and Clark. But
how much worse, how much more damaging, had been his
interruption tonight!

In her mind's eye she could see, once again, the look on
Clark's face that had told her more eloquently than words
could ever have done that he'd been badly hurt by the
spectacle that had greeted him.

It would be easy, she realised, to take refuge in the anger
she felt. Yes, he'd said something that had been calculated
to hurt her, but he'd lashed out because he was in pain.
And she, however, unwittingly, had been responsible for
that.

**But it wasn't my fault,** she wailed silently. **I didn't
do what you think I did, Clark! I wouldn't have done it.
Not to you. Not to anyone, but especially not to you
because you're too-**

Her mind shied away, reluctant to complete the thought.

Lois stood up abruptly and began pacing as she forced
herself to continue. **Too, what? Too important to me?
Too special?**

She'd been avoiding the question of how she felt about
Clark for months now, ever since that whole fiasco with
Luthor last year. Clark had told her then that he loved her,
but just when she'd been about to admit that she might feel
the same way, he'd recanted his declaration, and she'd
missed the opportunity to tell him how her feelings had
changed. She'd tried to tell him later, after he'd "died", but
he'd fallen asleep on her, and again she'd lost both her
chance and her courage.

For Lois, embarking on a relationship was like taking a
walk along a cliff edge. It was both dangerous and oddly
compelling at the same time. To one side lay a precipitous
drop, down to a raging maelstrom of waves that promised
to pull her under should she fall. To the other side lay flat
land, safety and security. In the past, her relationships had
left her teetering on the edge of the abyss: once she'd
actually gone over the edge, only to be saved by thoughts
of Clark. They'd caught her, and pulled her back to safety,
saving her from a life with Luthor.

But, she'd never yet had a relationship that guided her
towards the grassy haven, away from the danger zone.
Recently, she had been beginning to hope that Clark might
be the one to give it to her, but she wasn't sure, and, until
she was, she couldn't know whether pursuing a
relationship with him was the best sort of bravery or the
crassest form of stupidity.

Clark had never repeated his declaration of love, and,
having been so effectively rebuffed the first time, Lois
could hardly blame him for that. Although he'd
subsequently taken back his words, Lois had often
wondered whether he'd been totally honest with her when
he'd done so. Certainly, his actions since then seemed, on
occasion, to have been at odds with his words. He'd made
a flimsy excuse to spend Christmas Eve with her, rather
than going home to Smallville as had been his original
intention: he'd changed his plans just to be with her. He'd
asked her out on a date, too.  Why would he have done
that, if he wasn't interested in her?

And why had she agreed to go out with him, unless she
returned his feelings?

That was a good question, Lois thought.

Last week, as a prelude to their first kiss - and what a kiss
that had been! - Clark had asked her why she had run back
towards a nuclear explosion in an effort to save him when,
just the day before, she'd said they could never see one
another again. At the time, she'd just said that, "It doesn't
make much sense, does it?"

Now though, thinking about it, she came up with a better
answer. **I went back for him because I went with my
instincts, and I didn't give myself the chance to think about
what I was doing. My instincts told me I should be with
Clark.**

She shivered. Just a moment ago, she'd been thinking how
Clark's actions were, perhaps, at odds with his words.
Now she realised that hers were, too.

**What do my instincts tell me to do now?** The answer
came easily. **They tell me to talk to him. To sort this out,
once and for all. They tell me that . . . maybe. . . just
maybe. . . I love him.**

She picked up the phone and dialled his number from
memory. She heard the phone ring once. . . twice. . .  Then
she slammed the handset back into the cradle.  "No," she
muttered aloud, "some things are better done face to face."
Then she rushed into her bedroom, rapidly getting dressed,
before she could change her mind, doing her best to ignore
an image of waves crashing against the rock face at her
feet.

 *****
(cont in part 2)
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Chris -- I haven't read  your story yet but I just read your intro and
wanted
to say I've  been waiting for someone to explore this issue!!!  It has
always
struck me that the show left a major gap here -- just swept both Lois and
Clark's emotions around this event  under the carpet.  I look forward to
reading your story. :)

Carol
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Hi Pam:)

Gee, I hope that is not a spoiler since I am only on the second ep of S5!
(The end of the first ep floored me and the beginning of the second was
like a deathfic, depressing me for a time).  Can hardly wait to get to the
rest:)

Love your stuff, this story included and am waiting for part 7 to read Just
Like That:)

Thanks,
Carolyn
cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu

>> That was the cutest little story!!! I was quite confused at first
>
>Oh good, that was the idea <g>
>
>I'm glad you guys enjoyed this!  I actually wrote it back in May, but
>the rest of the S6 team wouldn't let me send it out 'til after the
>season finale, which kept getting pushed back for some reason (hi Phil!
><eg>) but I remembered it today...
>--
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>"Well, it just so happens that I am a former girlscout."
>"Good. Because I am a strange visitor from another planet."
>--Lois & Clark, "Ordinary People"
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>Point to ponder:  In the US in 1994,
>there were 32 auto deaths for every 100,000 autos,
>but only 16 firearm deaths for every 100,000 firearms.
>--Reason Magazine, Nov 99, pp46-47.
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Reading these exchanges reminds me of the time my Easy Rider and I were
motorcycling around Canada's Gaspe Peninsula.  We had stopped at a roadside
diner for lunch and were regarded curiously by a boy sweeping the drive.
Accustomed to the stares of people who were not used to seeing a couple our
age on a motorcycle, we begin to talk as we removed our jackets and helmets.
The boy, hearing us speak, scornfully drawled the word "Anglaise".
    So many times I've wished I 'd the wit to replay, "Non. Nous sommes
Americaines des Etats Unis et  vous et un garcon tres mal."  But my really
bad French  would probably have sent him into paroxysms of  laughter. Better
that than the scorn he had shown.

    His reaction was the exception to what I have found to be the generally
warm Canadian hospitality "up north".  In spite of our insensitivity about
calling ourselves "Americans"  (I'm open for substitutes.  Staters?  Unies?)
Canadians did indeed save our bacon in Iran and continue to welcome us to a
beautiful and interesting country.  But those pesky French Canadians can be
a problem.  By the way, I can't accept  "Yankee" or "Yanks" as a substitute
"cause I'm from the South.   Jude
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Ok, I'm going to try this again, since my last e-mail responding to this
vanished into the cyber-jungle never to be seen again.

You saved Lara!  Cool!  I liked her and was a little upset with you guys
when she was apparently killed.  I held onto hope that you wouldn't actually
kill her, though, and was rewarded with this! :-) (Gee, do I get the
impression someone's been reading the Number of the Beast?)

Tara :-)

------Original Message------
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[Download BEGINS]
Dear Bernie,

Congratulations, commiserations and apologies are all in order. Or, to
put it another way, there's good news, bad news and
I'm-not-quite-sure-what news.

(By now, you're absolutely certain who this is, right? <g> Even without
looking at the "From:" line. You don't know the _half_ of it, mate!
Wherein lies a tale....)

Let's start with the main good news: Lara's fine. Alive, well and, if I
am any judge at all of these things (debatable, I know, but I think I
could tell this time), very happy.

This may surprise you, I know. After all, if you've made it out of the
lab in the last 48 hours (have you?), or even if you haven't, you may
have heard that she died in hospital. But then, if you had heard that,
I'd have expected you to get in touch and ask what happened; since you
didn't, this may be the first you've heard of it.

It's true; a woman identified as Lara Wells did die in Metro General
Hospital last Saturday night, your time. But what is _also_ true is
that Lara Wells is alive and well. But not here. How this came about,
and why, is part of the tale I mentioned earlier. Pull up a chair, if
you haven't already; this is gonna take a little while to explain....

First up, let me thank you again for your trust in my "crazy" ideas. I
know this was a last-ditch measure to try and save Lara's life, and I'm
still amazed that it actually worked. Even now, looking at Gay
Deceiver's Little Sister sitting in the garage, I find it hard to
believe that I actually built her -- of course, I had help, but it's
still incredible that someone as unhandy as me could put her together.

Anyway, when I got your message, I knew that this was Little Gay's
chance to show her stuff. She was enthusiastic, too (I'm gonna have to
watch that; LG seems to have a propensity to zip all over the place
without too much care for getting back. Oh, well, I'll play the heavy
if I have to). Once we had Lara -- who, thank God (and I say it
reverently), was strong enough to hang on; think I'm gonna need a
sidecar if I do this again -- it was easy enough to head for the
co-ordinates that a "friend" of mine had supplied.

Subjective travel time was close enough to zero to make no difference;
in fact, you and I may have to get together and think about how we
might measure it -- if we think it's worth the effort. My "friend" had
apparently sent word ahead, and the medstaff were waiting for us. They
rushed Lara into stasis and left Gay and I to cool our heels for a
while.

After a short wait, I was called in to hear the bad news: even
without her wound, Lara's cellular deterioration was irreversible. The
_good_ news, though, was that all hope was not lost; what they could do
was to take a cell sample and grow her another body -- another clone,
but without frog DNA (the woman sniffed at that, as though it was in
bad taste at the very least) or any cellular weakness; _this_ body
would age at the normal rate. Once it was grown, they'd "transfer" her
into it somehow -- how, they didn't say.

Then they stunned me by asking for my permission as Lara's next-of-kin!
I tried to explain, but the idea seemed to be that I was the only
person from the same era, so I got to say yes or no. I couldn't see
that she could come to any more harm by it, so I agreed -- the poor
girl was going to die in a few minutes, anyway. The cellular breakdown
seemed to get worse once we arrived at the hospital, and I only hope
the time travel didn't have anything to do with it; I don't _think_ so,
but that's one reason why we might want to look at subjective time
rates during transit.

Back to cooling my heels and chatting with Gay via the comlink... until
Lara suddenly came running into the room and hugged me -- there are
worse ways to relieve hospital boredom, I can tell you! We all got a
bit teary with joy, even Gay (not literally in her case, but there was
emotion in her voice; she's got a real personality, that one).

After the formalities (not many; one of the true advances of technology
is that "paperwork" in that era has been cut to a minimum), we were on
our way. Now that she was in a fit condition to appreciate it, Lara
thought riding on Little Gay was fun -- at least at the start, because
the trip home was a bit rough.

I didn't know it at the time, but Lara had attracted the interest of
another time traveller, and we were... diverted from our course in a
subtle and unexpected way. After some rather unpleasant buffeting (and
I used to think riding a bike in gale-force crosswinds was bad!), we
arrived in Metropolis -- just not the one we expected.

Remember the parallel universe concept from quantum mechanics? Guess
what -- there is now evidence of its validity. Yep, courtesy of our
unknown observer, we'd been sent "sideways" -- along "teh" axis, IIRC
-- to another timeline which was very like ours, but with a few
differences.

One of those differences relates to what our mutual friend Clark
does... shall we say, away from the office? I'll say no more here: if
you know (and by now, I think you do -- or so I was told), then you'll
know what I mean; if not, forget I mentioned it. Anyway, "he" (i.e.,
his counterpart) turned up almost immediately after we arrived -- and
looked like he'd been hit by a sledgehammer (one that would actually
work on him, too!). Lara was a good match for him, as well.

It seems that, in that timeline, Lois Lane was killed before Clark Kent
ever met her, except that he had met her, somehow -- an alternative
her, and from what I gathered, it may even have been _our_ Lois.
Anyway, he had been missing her badly, and now, here was Lara. You know
I'm a hopeless romantic, but if I ever saw love at first sight, that
was it! You could have knocked them both down with a feather --
provided that they fell in the same direction, and preferably one on
top of the other.

About now, the other time traveller showed up, full of apologies; he'd
wanted to catch us at the hospital, but LG was too quick for him, so he
had to divert us, which is apparently one of the _worst_ things one can
do, temporal etiquette-wise (after that trip, I know why!).

It soon became obvious that Lara didn't want to leave, but I wasn't
going to be heading home alone. According to HG (this is a hint as to
who the guy was <g>), "history" requires "her" death, so we had to fake
it somehow. "Luckily", we had a convenient body back at the hospital,
so all we had to do (he said; he had it all planned) was get it,
"program" it and take it to Metro General. This "programming" involved
simulating consciousness in the body, now mindless since Lara had been
"transferred", so that it could appear to die of the gunshot wound at
the "proper" time.

I have to say that, as unpleasant as this sounds, it was something of a
relief. I wasn't looking forward to going home without Lara, not in the
current socio-political climate; I doubt that the courts would believe
that I'd left her in an alternate universe instead of the more
"rational" explanation of murder. And then, of course, if I'd showed
anyone what LG can do, I'd have had the military all over the place
(and probably lost Gay). B-(

Planting the body was finicky, but we did it without any great
problems. HG did the "programming", and I used Little Gay's motive unit
as a "conventional" transporter (just a matter of changing the polarity
of the unit to project outwards rather than inwards; I reckon I'll
tweak the unit so that the switch can be done at will -- it's just too
useful to require physically changing the coils all the time).

The body was placed where it was "supposed" to be, and that was that. I
headed home; all in all, it had been quite a day.

That'll do for now; if you want any more details, drop me a line. DON'T
use "Reply" to this; I'll never get it, as you'll understand if you
look at the header details. Use my normal e-mail address.

Regards and a backscratch to the rat,

Phil

PS. If you're wondering who the "friend" who helped me build Gay,
etc... it was me! Nice to know both Jocelyn and I have more than a few
years to go, and she's just as cute with silver hair.... <g>

PPS. Sometime between now and the end of this academic year, you might
want to tidy up your attic at home -- and that lab you call a guest
room. You're going to need the space. You see, I have reason to believe
that STAR Labs are going to be hiring people round about that time, and
one name will be at the head of the list (or their financial department
will know why!). Need I add that it begins with C? <g>
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WOW Phil this is a great story!  I am actually going to write a fanfic about
Lara's adventures in the *new Metropolis.*  You must have ESP like I do, or
at least the Kryptonian form because i was going to say that the alt-Lois
from that timeline was dead!  Weird huh?  Thanks for giving me something to
work with once I get this fanfic started...

Alexis ;-.)
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In a message dated 10/13/99 6:38:40 AM EST, sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes:

<< 'Number of the Beast' is one of my favourite Heinlein
 novels, and it was fun to read about your version of
 Gay Deceiver.  She's one of my favourite characters
 even if she doesn't have a biological body! >>

Speaking of that, I have never heard of this story before.  Can someone
please enlighten me?  Let's just say I was really confused when i read
Phil's
post! LOL!  Which might make sense considering who i play in OUATIM.

Alexis ;-.)
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Chris, I just finished reading this.  It's absolutely charming!

You also did what I've thought all along should be done with Lois--she
reacted as an adult, rather than as a petulant or hysterical child to
the big revelation.  In the show, she was angry at him because she
thought he didn't trust her.  Take that away, and there was no real
reason to be upset.  Very good job of portraying a refreshingly mature
Lois.

Nan Smith
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Thank you for a wonderful story, Chris. Like Carol, I've alwas wanted to
read another solution of the Mayson/Scardino conflict and you offered a
really nice one!

There're so many great stories coming right now! Next year's Kerth will
be extremely difficult!

take care
Nicole
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"God, you really have a hard head," he heard her say and he watched her
beautiful mouth starting to smile hesitantly. "If I'm going to have a
bump and start looking like Frankenstein's monster, you'll have to pay,
Mister."
Clark wanted to tell her that she could never look like a monster. He
wanted to tell her that she was the most beautiful woman he had ever
seen. He wanted to ask her out, to marry him and have his kids, but no
sound came over his lips.

"Heartache tonight", by the L&CFanfiction Team, coming soon (?) to an
archive near you.
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Don't worry, I'm finishing it as fast as I can.  I just posted part 4 to the
msg boards, if you want to take a peek at it :-)

Tara

------Original Message------
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You got me with this last part.

I am really enjoying it, but please please finish it.

Since I dont read a piece in depth until it's finished, I am in great agony,
just taking peaks.

Charlotte

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Dear Phil,

YOU DID IT!!!  I'm so happy that you saved Lara and that your time machine
worked!  Little Gay, indeed.  And the quantum mechanics idea of the
alternate
universe is correct!  I say, Phil, you have the basis for a Nobel Prize in
this one.  You must put it all together for a presentation to the AISSA.
Though you are correct, public knowledge of a time machine could certainly
wreak havoc should the plans fall into the wrong hands.  We need to talk
about this and determine whether part of the project could be submitted
without compromising our ethics.

Obviously, you solved the temporal fractal resurgance problem.  I hope you
will forward the equations to me.  I would really like to know what the
source of the turbulace was on your way to the alternalte universe, too.
Hmmm...

Throw a tarp over Little Gay.  I may have to hop across the Atlantic and
check her out... maybe take her out for a test drive.

Your PPS about Carolyn quite startled me.  Just last night I was mentally
composing an email to her with the "big question" in it.  So, you think
she'd
say "yes"?  And why do I ask you?  You've been there and know the answer.
Wow.

Wonderful job, old chap!             Your friend, Bernie
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At 2:49 PM -0500 10/13/99, Carolyn Schnall wrote:
>Hi Pam:)
>
>Gee, I hope that is not a spoiler since I am only on the second ep of S5!
>(The end of the first ep floored me and the beginning of the second was
>like a deathfic, depressing me for a time).  Can hardly wait to get to the
>rest:)

Whoa, that was unexpected ... what exactly about the S5 season premiere
depressed you?  Being compared to deathfic is scaring me. <g>  You know
there are two entire seasons ahead of you ... do you really think we'd kill
anyone? ;)

And please, feel free to post your comments on S5/6 episodes here as you
read them! I'm sure a lot of us would love to talk about them, even if it's
been awhile since we've read them. :)

Kathy

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Does anyone know where the underground parking lot for Planet employees
was in relation to the Daily Planet building?

Nan
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For those of you who've been waiting patiently... no, I haven't watched the
video yet, but yes, I do have it here in my hot little hands!

I couldn't bring home the actual video cover (Blockbuster doesn't do that!)
but I did take a quick look at it.  I noticed that it referred there to
"Dean Cain (Futuresport)" with no mention of L&C at all!

The blurb from the back of the box I DID manage to bring home, reads as
follows:

"Starring: Dean Cain, Robert Patrick, Stan Shaw.  Tony Moran is a young
priest who has turned his back on the church to join the police force.
When he is involved in the fatal shooting of a suspect, he begins to
question his decision.  Ridiculed by his colleagues for his incompetence,
Moran moves to New Orleans. Though he is lonely, he isn't alone!  An
other-worldly visitor is watching him, a shadow from the past who can help
clear his name.  Rating: M15 Colour; 87 mins.  1998"

I've made two copies of it so far.  I'll plan on making at least one more
tomorrow morning before I head off for work, and possibly more... I'll be
sending copies around the world - if you're not on my list of interested
people yet, please email me privately at jenerator@ozemail.com.au (with R&B
in the subject) so I can keep you up to date with someone near you who can
provide you with a 2nd or 3rd generation copy from mine!

Jen
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>>Gee, I hope that is not a spoiler since I am only on the second ep of S5!
>>(The end of the first ep floored me and the beginning of the second was
>>like a deathfic, depressing me for a time).  Can hardly wait to get to the
>>rest:)
>
>Whoa, that was unexpected ... what exactly about the S5 season premiere
>depressed you?  Being compared to deathfic is scaring me. <g>  You know
>there are two entire seasons ahead of you ... do you really think we'd kill
>anyone? ;)

Kathy, I imagine it was this sentence that scared her: "No, Clark.
Checkmate."

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I sent this once, but it seems to have gotten lost in cyberspace.  Does
anyone know where in relation to the Daily Planet itself, that the
undereground parking lot for Planet employees was located?

Nan Smith
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Hi Kathy:

>At 2:49 PM -0500 10/13/99, Carolyn Schnall wrote:
>>Hi Pam:)
>>
>>Gee, I hope that is not a spoiler since I am only on the second ep of S5!
>>(The end of the first ep floored me and the beginning of the second was
>>like a deathfic, depressing me for a time).  Can hardly wait to get to the
>>rest:)
>
>Whoa, that was unexpected ... what exactly about the S5 season premiere
>depressed you?  Being compared to deathfic is scaring me. <g>  You know
>there are two entire seasons ahead of you ... do you really think we'd kill
>anyone? ;)
>

OK, so I am a very slow reader and have very little time if I also want to
(sing, work) write stories (and edit stories for others), tidbits and ep
thoughts (still gonna try to do those:) and I have barely dealt with the
several hundred nfics, not to mention the thousands of archive fanfics that
I have stored up. (I just started to be a FoLC two years ago!)  I have been
feeling very left out of the S5/6 etc. discussion, so I made an effort to
start reading S5 (there is an S7????????  Where?  Is that the Unintentional
S?  URL?)

BTW, I also have nfic archives, general archives and scripts to read!!!!!!
Not to mention that there were several S5s and I think I've got them all!
Do I sound overwhelmed?

Also, I only read the first few pages of S5, ep 2, and Clark in the future
has died, thanks to Jeremiah:(

Of course, I have faith that he's not really dead (never thought Spock had
died, either<g>) but I'm very emotional and ridiculously sensitive (would
you know what I meant if I said my moon was full?), so every time I thought
about it, I was really upset and have had no time to read the rest of the
ep.  It was a shocker, alright!

>And please, feel free to post your comments on S5/6 episodes here as you
>read them! I'm sure a lot of us would love to talk about them, even if it's
>been awhile since we've read them. :)
>
>Kathy
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I'd be happy to post my comments.  I could go back to the first ep and see
if I had anything useful to say:)

Thanks Kathy, for asking me about this and I hope I have clarified my
statement:)

Carolyn

P.S. two more stories for the archive soon to be forwarded:)

P.P.S.  I believe I have mentioned that I identify with Clark, so whenever
something terrible happens to him...well, you can guess how that might make
me feel:)
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Sorry for the double post.  My modem sometimes just quits transmitting
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won't receive.  That's what happened.

Nan

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>>>Gee, I hope that is not a spoiler since I am only on the second ep of S5!
>>>(The end of the first ep floored me and the beginning of the second was
>>>like a deathfic, depressing me for a time).  Can hardly wait to get to
the
>>>rest:)
>>
>>Whoa, that was unexpected ... what exactly about the S5 season premiere
>>depressed you?  Being compared to deathfic is scaring me. <g>  You know
>>there are two entire seasons ahead of you ... do you really think we'd
kill
>>anyone? ;)
>
>Kathy, I imagine it was this sentence that scared her: "No, Clark.
Checkmate."
>
>Hazel

Hi Hazel:)

Did I say I was scared?  Don't remember that!

Actually, it was extremely well written, which is one of the reasons it got
to me.  The line you quoted was a great one and I'm glad you repeated it<g>

I just answered Kathy in more detail:)

Carolyn
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On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:20:28 -0400 Rich & Dawn
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:49:39 +0100 Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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Dear 'friend,'

Thank you for sending these papers for my attention. I have
scrutinised them carefully and found them to be most interesting,
though not especially newsworthy so far as the Daily Planet is
concerned. I do indeed know Superman, and should I meet him in the
near future I will mention their contents to him.

I will, however, endeavour to keep these documents out of the hands
of the Metropolis Star. Were they to hear of an intelligent Rat, even
more so one who could write, I'm afraid your Rat friend would not
enjoy the comfort of her cage and her laboratory friends for very
much longer.

I enclose three new pencils, sharpened but unused. Perhaps you could
manage to slip these in through the cage when Dr Klein's back is
turned?

Yours sincerely,

CLARK KENT

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Dear Mr. Kent,

Thank you for conveying this information to Superman. You were the only
person I knew of to send this to who would be able to contact him in case
there was something of importance to him contained in therein.

Yes, I too feel that keeping this information confidential would be the best
course of action for the author.

And as I am unsure as to who the author is, I will leave these pencils in
the lab for our mysterious writer to find. Thank you for your
thoughtfulness.

Signed
A friend
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Personal and Confidential
Mr. Clark Kent
Daily Planet

Dear Mr. Kent,

I am forwarding the enclosed note to you as it appears to be from the same
author as the first one.  And although this one does not mention Superman,
it does pertain to the laboratory where Doctor Bernard Klein works, and
keeps Superman's records.  Or so I am told.  I hope this is of some help to
our local hero.

Signed
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Tuesday, February 11

You'll have to excuse the wobbly pencil line here. I'm still in a state of
shock. Disaster! Well.....almost.

Bicksley was caught out of cage this morning when the first of the
lab staff arrived for work. It was entirely his own fault, of course. I
warned him to stay *away* from that beaker of vile blue stuff that Bernie
keeps hidden, right at the back of the lab counter, in among the acids and
detergents. But noooooo. He just *had* to go sneaking off in the middle of
Morphine's
party, determined to give it a go.

What with all the fun everyone was having, no one noticed he was missing.
Until we were woken up at 5.30 by a raucous chorus of "Eight and Twenty
Breeding Cages" coming from the corner, next to Bernie's computer. And then,
there he was.....weaving and staggering along the edge of the counter,
little paws outstretched for balance, and the cheesiest grin I've seen
outside of Edam on his snub nosed little face.

I almost died on the spot! By then he'd woken most everyone else up too. We
hissed, we cajoled, we told him to stay away from the edge, but he just
wandered on, singing his song and hiccuping gently every now and then. I was
almost out of my cage after him, when I heard the dread sound of the lab
door slamming shut and then the sound of human voices. There wasn't anything
any of us could do but wait for the inevitable.

Course, we weren't too worried that Bicksley was in serious trouble. Not of
the fatal injury type anyway. Things like that just don't happen in our lab.
Bernie wouldn't stand for it. Not at all.

You see....and keep this one to yourself, or we could all be in
trouble....we aren't the same as the residents of other labs. I mean you
hear such awful stories, don't you? Foul diseases, rats using perfume and
shampoo...I can't even talk about it. I can't *think* about it. It's too,
too awful. Once upon a time, our lab was like that too. It's a dim memory
for most of us, but we oldtimers still remember the Cigar Epidemic of '81
and the day that old Marcy Twolegs freaked out on us after that squint-eyed
technician shot her full of some vile concoction he was working on at the
time. She grew gills!

But that all changed when Bernie took over the lab. It wasn't long before
the rest of the lab staff began to notice too. Course, *we'd* noticed long
before they did. Mostly because nothing even remotely like a needle had come
our way for weeks.  Oh yeah, we rodents had long since started to wonder
just what the
heck our bouncy, chirpy little new scientist was up to. Wearing Adonis
cologne, sneaking us bits of chocolate and orange bits, and turning up one
day in leather with my picture on the back wasn't impressing *us* at all. No
matter how hard he tried. He was up to something.

And then he sprang it on us. Someone thought to ask. And that's when
Bernie - somewhat sheepishly I thought - admitted that he didn't want any
more experiments run on the residents. Course, he didn't call us residents.
He used those funny words that don't translate well into Ratspeak at all.
Tess Sujecks. That's what they sound like. Better scholars than I have tried
to decipher those, but none have managed it yet, far as I know.  The best
attempt I think was when Dilbert Hookear decided it meant "honored guests".
And we all decided with him that that was probably what they did mean at
that. For the longest time, I'd thought they were talking about a particular
resident and had no idea who they meant!

Anyway, when challenged as to why he kept us around, since we were pretty
useless (cue hissing and booing from several cages in the vicinity of said
technician), Bernie flat out admitted - though only when pushed and quite
grumpily - that he just....well he just kind of liked having us around. We
were, he said, cute.

"Cute?!" Colin said, in a note of astonishment. Only slighter behind the
choked protests from myself and the others that echoed it. Cute indeed! I
remember Barney, the one-eared little guinea pig across the way, clinging
onto his bars and snarling for Bernie to come up close and he'd show him
cute! Yes, indeedy, he would! And, over in the corner, Gertrude, the lab's
only chinchilla at the time, began studiously sharpening her claws against
her wheel and muttering in pidgin Rat under her breath.

But Bernie wouldn't back down. Yes, cute, he insisted. He liked having us
around. We were company when he worked in the lab, late at night, alone. We
were.....like pets. And the only shots we were to get in future were the
usual ones, like rabies prevention and to take care of fleas and things.

I have to admit that I was suspicious of his motives at first. I was sure
this was some kind of weird, human trick. They can be pretty sneaky, times.
"Oh yeah?" I thought. "Pull the other one, buster. And you come anywhere
near me with that needle again, I'll claw your face off. Just see if I
don't!"

Well, actually, that was the second thing I thought. The *first* thing I
thought was "Fleas?!?" I haven't had fleas, thank you very much, Bernie old
chum, since the Great Plague of '82. And that wasn't my fault. The entire
lab went down with the
infestation. It was all the fault of that rancid little monkey they imported
from Belize. Filthy little thing, he was. Though he could tell you jokes
like you wouldn't believe. He'd been panhandling in a bar for beer up till
then. He knew cuss words would make your seafaring uncle blush.

So, anyway, that was that. Anyone who objected to Bernie's 'coddling' as
Colin called it, simply found themselves other work elsewhere. And within a
couple of weeks, we had the lab we have today.

So, when two of the technicians came into the lab, we weren't overly
concerned for Bicksley's health. Well.....always providing he didn't lose
balance on the edge of that counter, that was. But that wasn't the point.
Residents wandering about out of cage raises all sorts of questions we
mostly don't want answered. No, scratch that. Questions we don't want
answered,
period. Uh-uh. Bicksley was on the edge of more than that counter. He was on
the edge of giving away more than he ought to.

Sure enough, Angela, the tall redhead technician, spotted Bicksley first.
"Well, hello there, little fella," she said, picking him up by the scruff of
his
neck between two fingers. Bicksley dangled, blinking at her and looking
suddenly confused. Which wasn't as confused as the idiot was going to look
once he was back in his cage and I got a hold of him, I swore, watching.

Luckily, Cynthia - she's a fellow rat and my best friend and so, obviously,
one of the ones with brains - was already swinging Operation Deadbolt into
action. She has the cage on the other side of Bicksley. Just like we'd
always practised and quick as a flash, she reached through the bars and
tapped the door to Bicksley's cage, swinging it wide.

Course, there was much tutting and murmuring when Angela examined it.
Fortunately, Bicksley, I gotta admit, is a dab hand at picking his lock
these days, so the scratch marks on the metal pin were barely noticeable.
And with Cynthia's help, Angela ended up assuming just what we wanted her
too - that one of her colleagues had carelessly forgotten to lock the door
after feeding Bicksley the previous day.

"There you go, little guy," she said as she set him down carefully in his
cage. "Safer in here. You don't want to go wandering around or that nasty
old Caesar will find you."

Despite my annoyance, I couldn't stop a grin at that one. Last time I saw
Caesar he was lying on his back on the lab counter with all four paws in the
air and purring while Morphine and Albert danced an Irish jig on his
stomach. Bicksley found the suggestion that that mean old lab cat would get
him equally humorous it seemed, because he looked across at me and wrinkled
his nose in a hamster smile before collapsing in the middle of his hay out
cold.

So, disaster was averted, narrowly, in the end. One wandering resident won't
cause too many raised eyebrows. Not like a mass exodus would. And Bicksley?
Well, he's none the worse for his ordeal. Snoring away in the middle of a
ball of hay even as I write. Think I'll follow his example actually. What
with all that early morning excitement and the fact that I got a little
merry myself last night at the party - it's not as lethal as Bernie's lab
brew, but that stuff those chimps turn out is mighty powerful stuff all the
same - I've got a headache that could kill Godzilla.

Suddenly, spending the day curled up in warm hay sounds very nice
indeed..... Besides I have to conserve my energy for that little 'chat' I'll
be having with Bicksley later.

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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In a message dated 10/13/99 3:53:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<< Does anyone know if it is possible to just be off the list for a week.
 Or do I have to resubscribe again when I get back from vacation?
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If you temporarily don't want to receive mail, then send an e-mail to
LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU in the body of the e-mail type: SET
LOISCLA-GENERAL-L NOMAIL and that's all you have to type. Just make sure you
send the e-mail from the address you are subscribed with.  When you are
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At 4:52 PM -0500 10/13/99, Carolyn Schnall wrote:

>OK, so I am a very slow reader and have very little time if I also want to
>(sing, work) write stories (and edit stories for others),

<Snip> Wasn't giving you a hard time, Carolyn.  I was just so surprised to
see S5 compared to a deathfic. <g>

> I have been
>feeling very left out of the S5/6 etc. discussion, so I made an effort to
>start reading S5 (there is an S7????????

And I'm glad you started reading!  I hope you enjoy it! :)

But no, no S7 ... when I said you have "two full seasons ahead of you", I
was refering to S5 (since you just started it) and S6 (which you haven't
even gotten to yet.)  The Unintentional Season is not associated with S5/6.
If fact, I believe it would be considered a fifth season of its own (and
it's very good, too!)

>Also, I only read the first few pages of S5, ep 2, and Clark in the future
>has died, thanks to Jeremiah:(
>
>Of course, I have faith that he's not really dead

Exactly. :)  But getting to find out how he survives is the fun. :)

>so every time I thought
>about it, I was really upset and have had no time to read the rest of the
>ep.  It was a shocker, alright!

LOL! Well finish reading, woman, so you can banish those worrisome
thoughts! <g> Trust me, not only does it have a happy ending, but episode 2
will leave you grinning until your cheeks ache. :)

Kathy (envious of people who have all that great fanfic ahead of them. :))

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At 1:52 PM -0700 10/13/99, Anne Simmonds wrote:
>Hello Everyone:
>
>     Does anyone know if it is possible to just be off the list for a week.
>Or do I have to resubscribe again when I get back from vacation?
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Anne, send an email to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU (not the address you
send posts to!!) with the command:

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You are still subscribed; you just won't be getting mail while you are gone.

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In a message dated 10/13/1999 4:45:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< Does
 anyone know where in relation to the Daily Planet itself, that the
 undereground parking lot for Planet employees was located? >>

In the next soundstage? <g>

--Laurie
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Hi Pam,

> (this is the first e-mail I'm sending on my *new* computer, let's hope
> it works <g>)  (sorry that it wasn't earlier, Petra, but I had a rough
> night last night and overslept)

Thanks so much! I was beginning to get worried ;)
My worst scenario was that for some reasons the final two parts of your
story weren't posted before next week and I wouldn't be able to read them
for a long time. Point is that I have to go offline (probably beginning this
weekend) for ... don't know how long, I'm moving ... and you can imagine
that I would have a very hard time without knowing the conclusion of "Just
like that" <g>.

Now I'm off to read part 6! :-)

cheers

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In a message dated 10/12/99 8:26:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:

<< But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people referring only to the
 United States as America when we're the United States *of* America.  In
 other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're from America,
 aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm introducing the topic, *I*
 always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the U.S." or "I'm going
 back to the States," etc.  I never say *just* America because the
 American continents are more than just the U.S.  There's North America,
 Central America, South America, and that covers a lot of countries.

 I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is generally accepted.
 After all, even Americans use it in songs and other popular references. >>

This is an important issue, I think.  I know Canadians, and Mexicans, and
other "Americans;"  and most of them feel quite strongly that it is
presumptious on the part of residents of the United States of America to
think that the US is "America" all by itself.  They don't seem to have too
much of a  problem with the adjective, since there's no other really
succinct
way to express it, but they tend to bristle about the assumption that there
are not other countries in "America."  I think a lot of people chalk it up
as
one more example of boorish, "American" behavior and attitude.

As far as people in the US thinking that England, Ireland and Scotland are
somehow the same, I think that is a sad commentary on the state of
education
in the United States.  Knowledge of basic geography and European history is
apparently a rare commodity.  I know that the high school where I teach
started requiring geography about 10 years ago because the kids coming in
had
so little knowledge about the rest of the world.  Far too many people don't
have a clue as to where places are, or why a Scot would not be delighted to
be called English.

Ann
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From: Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
>LOL! Well finish reading, woman, so you can banish those worrisome
>thoughts! <g> Trust me, not only does it have a happy ending, but episode 2
>will leave you grinning until your cheeks ache. :)

Ah.... music to my ears -- and what a lovely way to end what has been a
not-so-terrific day!  Thanks, Kathy! <g>
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In a message dated 10/12/99 11:00:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:

<< - but many French (that I met, anyway)
 liked Canadians BETTER than Americans. Sure, the Americans were the ones
 who freed France after World War II, and the French are grateful. But they
 like our less-arrogant attitude better :) At least, that's how it was
 explained to me when I was there...  >>

Well, I'm  not French, but I have spent quite a bit of time in France and
a=20=
=20
have a number of French friends, and I think you are quite correct on
this=20
point.  My impression is that while the French understand that the
Americans=
=20
were quite instrumental in defeating Hitler and freeing France from the=20
Nazis, the French also think that the American attitude of "Hey, we saved=20
you," is arrogant as well as not totally accurate.  I think the French
have=20=
a=20
deep-seated belief that the RAF, the French R=E9sistance, and the Free
Frenc=
h=20
Army under the leadership of Charles de Gaulle all had something to do
with=20
Hitler's defeat and the end of World War II; and that the US army did not
do=
=20
it alone.  Hence, the less than 100% charmed attitude with regard to=20
residents of the US.  It would probably help if we deveoped a little
humilit=
y=20
here now and again.  It seems as if I learned that it was a joint effort
in=20
history class.  I know my dad, who was there, thinks it was a group effort.

Ann
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<< - but many French (that I met, anyway) liked Canadians BETTER than
Americans. Sure, the Americans were the ones who freed France after World
War
II, and the French are grateful. But they like our less-arrogant attitude
better :) At least, that's how it was explained to me when I was there...
>>

Well, for what it's worth, I don't think it's just the French that dislike
people from the U.S. My college's study abroad program often tells students
to
say they are Canadian if they are traveling through certain foreign
countries.
They generally get treated more kindly after identifying themselves as
Canadian than "admitting" to being from the U.S. Needless to say, it doesn't
exactly please the Canadian students here ;)

My ex-roommate is currently studying in London and has (falsely) identified
herself as Canadian but I'm not sure how much good it did her; the student
resident advisor in her apartment complex told the students in her program
(all from the U.S.) that they "reek of America" ;)

-Christy
 kubitc@kenyon.edu

* * * * * * * * * *

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At 6:47 PM -0400 10/13/99, Ann E. McBride wrote:
>My impression is that while the French understand that the Americans
>were quite instrumental in defeating Hitler and freeing France from the
>Nazis, the French also think that the American attitude of "Hey, we saved
>you," is arrogant as well as not totally accurate.
> It would probably help if we deveoped a little humility
>here now and again.

This reasoning may have worked 30-40 years ago, but I doubt many 20, 30 or
40-something Americans go over to France saying "hey, we saved you!" <bg>

Kathy ;)

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I guess I was lucky, then.  I know that Scotland and Ireland and such are
part of the British Isles, but aren't a subset of England.  :-) I guess I
can always blame my knowing this on my parents, both of which have travelled
around the states and outside, as well.

Tara

------Original Message------
From: "Ann E. McBride" <Aerm1@AOL.COM>
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In a message dated 10/12/99 8:26:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:

<< But, I always get mildly irritated to hear people referring only to the
United States as America when we're the United States *of* America.  In
other words, when I'm abroad they might ask, "You're from America,
aren't you?" And I'll say, yes, but if I'm introducing the topic, *I*
always say, "I'm from the States," or, "I'm from the U.S." or "I'm going
back to the States," etc.  I never say *just* America because the
American continents are more than just the U.S.  There's North America,
Central America, South America, and that covers a lot of countries.

I'm probably very odd this way as "America" is generally accepted.
After all, even Americans use it in songs and other popular references. >>

This is an important issue, I think.  I know Canadians, and Mexicans, and
other "Americans;"  and most of them feel quite strongly that it is
presumptious on the part of residents of the United States of America to
think that the US is "America" all by itself.  They don't seem to have too
much of a  problem with the adjective, since there's no other really
succinct
way to express it, but they tend to bristle about the assumption that there
are not other countries in "America."  I think a lot of people chalk it up
as
one more example of boorish, "American" behavior and attitude.

As far as people in the US thinking that England, Ireland and Scotland are
somehow the same, I think that is a sad commentary on the state of
education
in the United States.  Knowledge of basic geography and European history is
apparently a rare commodity.  I know that the high school where I teach
started requiring geography about 10 years ago because the kids coming in
had
so little knowledge about the rest of the world.  Far too many people don't
have a clue as to where places are, or why a Scot would not be delighted to
be called English.

Ann

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>At 2:51 PM +0100 10/12/99, LabRat wrote:
>>This thread is a little more OT than normal. Maybe it should be retired to
>>private email? I'm sure we're boring everyone now. <G>

And Kathy commented:

>Actually, I'm finding it quite interesting. <g>  I think we just need to
>label it "OT", as I did above. :)

Y'know, I make one tiny -- okay, huge mistake, and look what happens. (Am I
paraphrasing Clark right? I'm not that good at quotes. :) ) All because I
referred to Labrat retreating to England instead of Scotland...

To be quite honest, Labby dear, I'm not sure I ever actually knew what part
of the UK you're from. So I'll just go back and study that map of the world
puzzle that I got for my kids when they're older, so they won't make stupid
mistakes like this one. :)

Hazel

(who *always* says "I'm from the States," but feels that calling someone
from the U.S. an "American" is the most reasonable option available. It
*is* the United States of America, after all.)
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Well, yes, but we're talking the world of Lois and Clark here.  Zoomway,
do you know?  I'd like to be accurate for the fic I'm writing.  If no
one knows, then I'm going to assume it was directly under the Daily
Planet.  If anyone can give me a better location, I'll adapt my story to
match.

Nan

No Name Available wrote:

> In a message dated 10/13/1999 4:45:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
> << Does
>  anyone know where in relation to the Daily Planet itself, that the
>  undereground parking lot for Planet employees was located? >>
>
> In the next soundstage? <g>
>
> --Laurie
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Dear Lois and Clark,

A couple of points to share with you.  First, Harry Dow certainly casts
blame
on Underhill.  We have questioned Underhill and I find a lot on
inconsistensies that bother me.  I think the DA is close to having us arrest
Underhill, but the problem is, in my gut I get the feeling there is someone
else more important.  I think you know who I'm thinking of....  We're going
to keep a close, protective watch on Underhill, for his sake and ours.

Metro General says that Lara Wells died yesterday of gunshot wounds, so now
we're dealing with muder.  You told me Klein said Lara was dying because she
was a clone.  The Metro General death makes it easy to cover the clone
business.  It sounded pretty implausible to me anyway.  Sometimes Klein
seems
just a bit... well, odd to me.

                                        Sincerely,
                                            Inspector Henderson
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> If no
> one knows, then I'm going to assume it was directly under the Daily
> Planet.  If anyone can give me a better location, I'll adapt my story to
> match.

Nan, I know that we used the "directly under the Daily Planet" location for
S5 and S6 because L&C took the elevator straight down to the parking garage
from the newsroom.

Sheila
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That's good enough for me.  One parking garage under the Planet coming up!
Now
I can bomb it to my heart's content and know that it's where I need it to
be!

Nan

Sheila Harper wrote:

> > If no
> > one knows, then I'm going to assume it was directly under the Daily
> > Planet.  If anyone can give me a better location, I'll adapt my story to
> > match.
>
> Nan, I know that we used the "directly under the Daily Planet" location
for
> S5 and S6 because L&C took the elevator straight down to the parking
garage
> from the newsroom.
>
> Sheila
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--- Chris Carr <c.carr@VIRGIN.NET> wrote:
> TITLE: So. That's What You've Been Hiding
> PART: 6/6
> AUTHOR: Christine Carr (c.carr@virgin.net)
> RATING: PG
> FEEDBACK: Comments welcome privately or via the
> fanfic mailing list
> SUMMARY: In the aftermath of Mayson Drake's death,
> Lois and Clark find time to talk about their
> feelings in this
> rewrite of Resurrection's B-plot.
>
>
Wow, Chris!

I know I read this over a few times for you and
everything, but I just wanted to tell you that I
enjoyed it as much this time as I did the first time -
truly the mark of a great story!

I just love the way you completely enter into the
emotions of all the characters, from Lois, to Clark,
to Dan, and even to Mayson.  And without spoiling it
for anyone who hasn't yet read it, (and if you
haven't, why haven't you?!) I just love the way you
turn Dan's actions against him in the end.

Bravo, and encore!

Irene

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In a message dated 10/13/99 7:01:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< Well, yes, but we're talking the world of Lois and Clark here.  Zoomway,
 do you know?  I'd like to be accurate for the fic I'm writing.  If no
 one knows, then I'm going to assume it was directly under the Daily
 Planet.  If anyone can give me a better location, I'll adapt my story to
 match. >>

When Individual Responsibility aired, it showed an underground parking area.
That was Warner Brothers actual underground parking area (I always asked
people where stuff was filmed when I thought of it ;). In relation to the
Daily Planet, I'd just pick "in the back street" as the area where the
garage
is accessible <g> Seriously, the front of the Daily Planet is surrounded by
other shops, banks, etc., so it might be safest to say the underground
parking is accessible behind the building and is located more or less
directly under the Planet.  That gives you some leeway since I know that in
the Lex Files, that "lair" (the troll's hideout)  seemed somehow near or
under the Daily Planet because the explosion cracked a support beam that
Superman had to fix or all of the Planet would have collapsed.

Zoom
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Hi Alexis,

In answer to your question, Robert Heinlein is one of
the greats when it comes to classic science fiction
and fantasy writing.  The movie 'Starship Trooper' was
adapted (badly) from his book of the same title.  He
also wrote 'The Puppetmasters' that was made into a
movie a few years ago.

His books range from very simplistic adventure ones
(always with a strong ethical backbone) to very adult
oriented books.

The book that Phil indirectly referred to, and that I
mentioned is one of his more adult books.  'Number of
the Beast' is an absolutely hilarious romp through
different dimensions of time and space.  It's
hilarious, raucous, and bawdy.  I highly recommend it,
but I would first recommend that you get familiar with
some of his other books as many of his other
characters turn up in this one.

Phil may be able to suggest an order to read the books
in; I just know that I wouldn't start with this one.

Take care,
Irene

--- No Name Available <MsLoisette@AOL.COM> wrote:
> In a message dated 10/13/99 6:38:40 AM EST,
> sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes:
>
> << 'Number of the Beast' is one of my favourite
> Heinlein
>  novels, and it was fun to read about your version
> of
>  Gay Deceiver.  She's one of my favourite characters
>  even if she doesn't have a biological body! >>
>
> Speaking of that, I have never heard of this story
> before.  Can someone
> please enlighten me?  Let's just say I was really
> confused when i read Phil's
> post! LOL!  Which might make sense considering who i
> play in OUATIM.
>
> Alexis ;-.)
> {aka: Lara}
>

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Thank you very much.  That pretty much matches what Sheila said, so for the
purposes of the story, the parking lot is under the Planet.  That way I
don't
have to tweak anything to make it do what I want.  I appreciate the
information,
Zoom.

Nan

The Zoomway wrote:

> In a message dated 10/13/99 7:01:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
> deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
> << Well, yes, but we're talking the world of Lois and Clark here.
Zoomway,
>  do you know?  I'd like to be accurate for the fic I'm writing.  If no
>  one knows, then I'm going to assume it was directly under the Daily
>  Planet.  If anyone can give me a better location, I'll adapt my story to
>  match. >>
>
> When Individual Responsibility aired, it showed an underground parking
area.
> That was Warner Brothers actual underground parking area (I always asked
> people where stuff was filmed when I thought of it ;). In relation to the
> Daily Planet, I'd just pick "in the back street" as the area where the
garage
> is accessible <g> Seriously, the front of the Daily Planet is surrounded
by
> other shops, banks, etc., so it might be safest to say the underground
> parking is accessible behind the building and is located more or less
> directly under the Planet.  That gives you some leeway since I know that
in
> the Lex Files, that "lair" (the troll's hideout)  seemed somehow near or
> under the Daily Planet because the explosion cracked a support beam that
> Superman had to fix or all of the Planet would have collapsed.
>
> Zoom
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Glad I'm not the only Heinlein reader out here.  I cut my science
fiction teeth on Robert Heinlein, and I agree.  The Number of the Beast
was incredible.  If Alexis wants to read it, I would recommend
"Methuselah's Children"  and "Time Enough for Love" to be read first.
That gives a fairly good coverage of most of the other characters.
However, at the end  some of the characters from "The Rolling Stones',
"Between Planets", "Podkayne of Mars", "Glory Road" and a number of
others that don't occur to me right now also make an appearance.  These,
however, aren't as necessary  to read as the first two.

Nan

Irene D. wrote:

> Hi Alexis,
>
> In answer to your question, Robert Heinlein is one of
> the greats when it comes to classic science fiction
> and fantasy writing.  The movie 'Starship Trooper' was
> adapted (badly) from his book of the same title.  He
> also wrote 'The Puppetmasters' that was made into a
> movie a few years ago.
>
> His books range from very simplistic adventure ones
> (always with a strong ethical backbone) to very adult
> oriented books.
>
> The book that Phil indirectly referred to, and that I
> mentioned is one of his more adult books.  'Number of
> the Beast' is an absolutely hilarious romp through
> different dimensions of time and space.  It's
> hilarious, raucous, and bawdy.  I highly recommend it,
> but I would first recommend that you get familiar with
> some of his other books as many of his other
> characters turn up in this one.
>
> Phil may be able to suggest an order to read the books
> in; I just know that I wouldn't start with this one.
>
> Take care,
> Irene
>
> --- No Name Available <MsLoisette@AOL.COM> wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/13/99 6:38:40 AM EST,
> > sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes:
> >
> > << 'Number of the Beast' is one of my favourite
> > Heinlein
> >  novels, and it was fun to read about your version
> > of
> >  Gay Deceiver.  She's one of my favourite characters
> >  even if she doesn't have a biological body! >>
> >
> > Speaking of that, I have never heard of this story
> > before.  Can someone
> > please enlighten me?  Let's just say I was really
> > confused when i read Phil's
> > post! LOL!  Which might make sense considering who i
> > play in OUATIM.
> >
> > Alexis ;-.)
> > {aka: Lara}
> >
>
> =====
>
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In a message dated 10/12/99 9:19:41 AM EST, NKWolke@EIFEL-NET.NET writes:

<< (that said evil Dean-Monster-Nicky returns to her hovel :-) with *her*
 signed Dean picture of course.) >>

I don't have picture but I do have card that Dean signed! ;)  Is your's
personalized? Because mine is.

Alexis ;-.)
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This is a question having to do with my ongoing fanfic.  In the ep INPY, a
hooker was killed.  Lois and her mom were walking down that seedy alleyway
when they found her.  Was her name, Lulu? And did she have a place like an
office, or was Lois referring to the streets?

Thanks.
Alexis ;-.)
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Her name *was* Lulu, and the "office" Lois was referring to was that
particular alleyway or corner that she had staked out.

Nan

No Name Available wrote:

> This is a question having to do with my ongoing fanfic.  In the ep INPY, a
> hooker was killed.  Lois and her mom were walking down that seedy alleyway
> when they found her.  Was her name, Lulu? And did she have a place like an
> office, or was Lois referring to the streets?
>
> Thanks.
> Alexis ;-.)
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Hey everyone.. thanks for your feedback.  These books sound really
interesting and i just might read them.  They might even help me with my
second or third fanfic.  Basically the fanfic I am writing about Lara. ;)

Thanks again.
Alexis ;-.)
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In a message dated 10/13/99 8:31:51 PM EST, deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< Her name *was* Lulu, and the "office" Lois was referring to was that
 particular alleyway or corner that she had staked out.

 Nan >>

Thanks.  I just needed to make sure. =)

Alexis ;-.)
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Alexis,

I think her name was Long-legs Lulu.  And Lois referred to the nasty alley
she was in as her "office."  She was a streetwalker, and she got killed by
the Intergang guy.

Ann
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In a message dated 10/13/1999 6:25:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Aerm1@AOL.COM
writes:

<< As far as people in the US thinking that England, Ireland and Scotland
are
 somehow the same >>

Well I can't seem to convince my colleagues over there to tell me this part
of their addresses! They submit lists of members to me and we want to print
them in our journal and I have to sit poring over a map that doesnt' have an
index to figure it out myself. :P

--Laurie
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Many thanks to those who sent tips for breaking writer's block.  They were a
real help.  I found something useful in each message.  Special thanks to
LabRat for the suggestions about the hot bath.  That helped me see just what
I needed.  No, not a bath.  To Relax.  So I've put the story in the corner
behind the pink elephant for a couple of days, taken a long walk in the rain
and gone back to my poetry so I can re-open that stream-of- consciousness
pathway to my right brain.  My only problem now is that I keep getting
flashes of this tiny little bathtub full of soapy bubbles, wherein sits and
wise and distinguished Rat wearing horn rims and a Scottish Tam, typing on a
laptop p.c. sitting on a work table lying across the tub in front of him.
Jude
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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:25:03 -0500 Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
wrote:

> At 2:49 PM -0500 10/13/99, Carolyn Schnall wrote:
>>Hi Pam:)

>>Gee, I hope that is not a spoiler since I am only on the second ep of
S5!(The end of the first ep floored me and the beginning of the second
was like a deathfic, depressing me for a time).  Can hardly wait to get
to the rest:)

> Whoa, that was unexpected ... what exactly about the S5 season
premiere depressed you?  Being compared to deathfic is scaring me. <g>
You know there are two entire seasons ahead of you ... do you really
think we'd kill anyone? ;) <

Oh, some of us would.... <eg> But not for a long time, if Carolyn is
only at the start of S5, and even then we're very selective about
who, how and when. _Some_ characters, though, are definitely
targets.... <g>

> And please, feel free to post your comments on S5/6 episodes here as you
read them! I'm sure a lot of us would love to talk about them, even if
it's been a while since we've read them. :) <

Or written them.

Phil
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Chris,

I have just finished reading your story 'So that's what you've been
hiding,' and I loved it! Okay, I know you're going to get a lot of
people telling you the same thing, so I'll try to make this a little
different by telling you *why* I loved it.

s
p
o
i
l
e
r

s
p
a
c
e

For a start, this is the first story I've read which deals with the
aftermath of Mayson's death and its effect on Clark. I actually
thought of writing one set after LL myself - even made some
preliminary notes - but having read this one I won't bother <g>.
Like you, I thought that was handled very badly by the show - we see
Clark as chief mourner at the funeral (why?? - and you explain that
one really well, by the way), but Mayson seems to be forgotten after
that. Clark goes cool on Lois, but there's no explanation and she
seems to ignore the fact that he's actually grieving for a friend,
and then Scardino keeps getting in the way! So yes, Resurrection is
one very frustrating episode.

You took away all that frustration. You got inside Lois's head to
show us that she *was* trying to understand Clark. And you got Clark
just perfectly. I had to re-read this bit three times because it made
so much sense to me:

>>> Because of his Kryptonian heritage, he could never confide fully
in the people with whom he lived and worked: he was forced to bottle
up his feelings, locking them out of sight. Usually he managed to
contain them while he came to terms with them, but, sometimes, they
fermented until the build up of tension became too much, and they
exploded from deep within. Yet, even then, he usually managed to
channel his outbursts in one particular direction. He feared the
consequences of striking out physically, and so his anger was more
normally vented in the form of softly spoken words, all the more
powerful for their silent fury.<<<

Yes!! That is Clark through and through; and it explains the
lead-lined robe, the 'some chat if you needed a shower' and one or
two other cruel barbs. Very, very insightful.

The revelation was not only beautifully done, it was also so
credible. And I liked the fact that Lois's reaction was low-key.
There are plenty of 'Lois gets angry' revelation stories out there
(okay, I've even written a couple of them myself) but there are also
plenty of circumstances when *not* getting angry is the right
reaction, and this story is one of them. Really nicely done.

It's wrapped up well too; Lois's realisation that she wanted to be
with Clark *knowing* what it would entail made perfect sense to me,
and was very much in character. And you couldn't resist giving us
what we wanted to see - Scardino put in his place. Great stuff!

This is another great story from you, Chris, and I can't wait to see
your next.

Wendy

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:32:30 -0700 Judith Williams
<judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET> wrote:

> My only problem now is that I keep getting
> flashes of this tiny little bathtub full of soapy bubbles, wherein sits
and
> wise and distinguished Rat wearing horn rims and a Scottish Tam, typing on
a
> laptop p.c. sitting on a work table lying across the tub in front of him.

Him? HIM???

It may sometimes be difficult to tell when dealing with small furry
rodents, but *our* LabRat is definitely a female of the species  <g>.

Wendy

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Hey Alexis :-)
since you asked <g>

> << (that said evil Dean-Monster-Nicky returns to her hovel :-) with *her*
>  signed Dean picture of course.) >>
>
> I don't have picture but I do have card that Dean signed! ;)  Is your's
> personalized? Because mine is.

Hmm, I'm not sure what "personalized" means, but I think mine is, too :-)
It's a postcard of the abc-Lois&Clark-poster (Tatoo picure with the question
"Have you been to Metropolis lately?") and it says: To Nicole, super wishes,
Dean cain

It was a gift from a good old friend who went to St. Louis and it certainly
is one of the best gifts I ever got! I have it framed and it's hanging over
my desk now. I can glance at it every time I sit here on my Computer (must
be
one of the reasons why I spend so much time here <g>)

take care
Nicole
--
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
NKWolke@eifel-net.net

"God, you really have a hard head," he heard her say and he watched her
beautiful mouth starting to smile hesitantly. "If I'm going to have a bump
and start looking like Frankenstein's monster, you'll have to pay, Mister."
Clark wanted to tell her that she could never look like a monster. He wanted
to tell her that she was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. He
wanted
to ask her out, to marry him and have his kids, but no sound came over his
lips.

"Heartache tonight", by the L&CFanfiction Team, coming soon (?) to an
archive
near you.
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Dear Bill,

Thanks for the update on Harriet Dow. Lois and I aren't surprised
that she's blaming Ron Underhill, but we do agree with you that
Underhill himself is unlikely to be the main perpetrator. Perry White
has known the man for a long time, and while they're not exactly
the best of friends, Perry doesn't think Underhill is capable of
murder.

We've been investigating Donald MacDonald for the last week or so,
but it's been a slow task. Lois says he's even more secretive than
Grant Gendell; it's been almost impossible to dig up anything more
than his official biog. We'll keep digging.

As for Underhill, he seems to have gone into hiding... and our
impression is that it's not the MPD he's hiding from, if you get my
drift.

> Metro General says that Lara Wells died yesterday of gunshot wounds, so
now
> we're dealing with muder.  You told me Klein said Lara was dying because
she
> was a clone.  The Metro General death makes it easy to cover the clone
> business.  It sounded pretty implausible to me anyway.  Sometimes Klein
seems
> just a bit... well, odd to me.

It's very sad, and I know Lara's colleagues at the Planet will be
upset at the news. As for the clone business... you may be right. The
least said about that the better.

Oh, Superman asked me to tell you that he's come up with a possible
combination for the van's ID, based on his scan of your computer
system the other day. Does cx14fd5akd79 mean anything to you?

Best wishes,

Clark Kent
Acting Editor-in-Chief

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In a message dated 10/13/99 5:49:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes:

<< In answer to your question, Robert Heinlein is one of
 the greats when it comes to classic science fiction
 and fantasy writing. >>

In fact, Robert Heinlein holds the rank of Grandmaster of science fiction.
If
your looking for a recommendation for a great read try 'Stranger in a
Strange
Land' or 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress'. Classics.

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Wonderful, Chris --  much more satisfying than Resurrection because you
haven't repressed Clark's and Lois's emotinal reposnse to Mayson's death and
........

small spoiler because I don't want to repeat Irene and Wendy's comments
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you've given us a revelation story, too :)  I particularly liked how Clark
admitted that his actions and his feelings with repect to Mayson had been
less than noble at times.   Nicely written!

Carol
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On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:42:06 +0100 Wendy Richards
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[Snip]

> s
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> For a start, this is the first story I've read which deals with the
aftermath of Mayson's death and its effect on Clark. I actually thought
of writing one set after LL myself - even made some preliminary notes -
but having read this one I won't bother <g>. Like you, I thought that
was handled very badly by the show - we see Clark as chief mourner at
the funeral (why?? - and you explain that one really well, by the way),
but Mayson seems to be forgotten after that. Clark goes cool on Lois,
but there's no explanation and she seems to ignore the fact that he's
actually grieving for a friend [...] <

I know what Wendy means by Clark "going cool" on Lois, but one aspect
that neither the show nor Chris (I think -- forgive me if I missed
this; I only had time to go through the story rather more quickly than
it deserved) touched on is the effect of what Clark was _doing_ when
Mayson was killed might have on him.

Think about it: Clark is _kissing_Lois_ -- _really_ kissing her, as
Clark, for the first time, something that he's dreamed of for years --
and what happens? A good friend _dies_! Whatever one may think of
Mayson, the fact remains that _Clark_ liked her and, being him, is
going to feel responsible for her death. If he hadn't "selfishly" being
indulging himself and his dreams, he might have saved her.

Now, you and I know that this is all felgercarb, but Clark has this
tendency to obsess about these things, and it's going to be doubly hard
for him to cope in the aftermath of Mayson's death occurring when it
did. Inevitably, he's going to look at Lois askance for a little while;
he wants her, but dare he do anything about it if people are going to
_die_ because he's not concentrating 24/7?

The end of "Contact" shows us the same kind of attitude, just from a
different angle. He loves Lois, but he dare not run the risk of doing
anything about it because people (Mayson, Lois, someone else) might get
hurt, and he will do anything, no matter how painful to _him_, to
prevent that.

Including not turning the Sardine into fish paste.... <g> (Now, where
have my cats got to? <eg>) But Chris settled his hash so _very_ neatly.

Otherwise, Chris, I second the motion that this story was excellent.

Phil
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Hello Everyone!!

Thank you for all your help!!  I greatly appreciate it. I will "see" you
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Thank again!!

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Wendy Richards wrote:

> We've been investigating Donald MacDonald for the last week or so,
> but it's been a slow task. Lois says he's even more secretive than

I laugh every time I read that name, not only because of the similarity
to a certain red haired clown but also because there really is a Donald
MacDonald in Australia. He is either head of the Australian Broadcasting
Corporation (the government TV station) or Australian Opera or something
and he is great mates with our Prime Minister. A veritable pillar of
Society. So him being involved in nefarious acts is most amusing.

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On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:48:36 -0700 "Irene D." <sirenegold@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

> I loved this, Phil.

> 'Number of the Beast' is one of my favourite Heinlein novels, and it
was fun to read about your version of Gay Deceiver. She's one of my
favourite characters even if she doesn't have a biological body! <

Yeah, I've been very fond of the original Gay ever since I first read
the book and its sequels. I mean, she flies (hypersonically, yet!),
has a time/space travel device installed, talks in a sexy contralto,
has a nice personality -- and after they visit Oz, there's the
"refreshers" in the "magic space warp" behind the aft bulkhead. Not to
mention the laser cannon and the magic picnic basket. What more could a
red-blooded male engineer want?

Um, for Alexis' information (and others), I should add that the
original Gay is a flying _car_.... <g>

I always wanted to meet Gay and ask her if she had a sister (she's
Zeb's girl, no argument, but she might be one of twins....), so when I
had to come up with my own time machine, it seemed only natural to call
her Gay's little sister. I envisage Little Gay as kind of like Lucy in
"Metallo", but wearing leathers (you _did_ realise that LG is the
world's first time-travelling motorcycle, didn't you? <bg>).

> Great job of plagiarizing, er, um, I mean adapting Heinlein's version
of time-travel to this story line. <

Go on, say what you mean <g>. I freely admit to lifting huge chunks of
the "mechanics" from Heinlein, but it's kinda hard to avoid; he did
such a good job of it in his final trilogy. Of course, some of what I
thought up came from other sources, like TS and an old Ace Double novel
that I have at home.

For Carol, Alexis and anyone else who's interested in reading some
Heinlein, the "Gay Deceiver" trilogy (as I like to think of it -- Gay's
my favourite character) are "The Number of the Beast", "The Cat Who
Walks Through Walls" and "To Sail Beyond the Sunset", in that order.
The latter was Heinlein's last book before he died.

As Nancy has written, his earlier works "Methuselah's Children" and
"Time Enough for Love" give the background to the second half of the
first book, the first half standing alone unless you want to know about
all the references to SF and Fantasy magazines and novels (important
plot points!), particularly the Oz books.

Heinlein appeared to be trying to tie _all_ his work (and a lot of
other people's) into one big multiverse, so there are references to
other books of his, including the ones cited by Nancy. The later books
take this even further, so an incomplete reading list of Heinlein's
writings to help you understand who _everyone_ is would also include:

The Man Who Sold The Moon
The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress
The Green Hills of Earth
Revolt in 2100
The Rolling Stones
Between Planets
Podkayne of Mars
Glory Road
Stranger in a Strange Land
and others that I can't think of right now....

I look forward to reading your story of Lara in her new world, Alexis.
I'm also writing a story wherein one of the basic premises is that
AltLois is dead and can't be rescued, but I take the "solution" in an
entirely different direction. Before Wendy yells at me to finish it by
yesterday <g>, I hasten to add that it's number 3 on the list (at
present).

Phil, reflecting that if _everyone_ is equally real/fictional, then
Lois and Clark exist. And I kinda wish that whoever's writing _my_ life
would improve things a bit....
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> Perry White
> has known the man for a long time, and while they're not exactly
> the best of friends, Perry doesn't think Underhill is capable of
> murder.
>

<snicker>  Sorry to tell ya, Clark, but this really isn't the best
character witness... Perry's been friends with a slave-runner (CoS), the
head of Intergang (Bill Church Sr. & Jr.) and a Nazi (SMn).  I'm sure he
didn't think any of them were capable of murder <g>

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>
> <snicker>  Sorry to tell ya, Clark, but this really isn't the best
> character witness... Perry's been friends with a slave-runner (CoS), the
> head of Intergang (Bill Church Sr. & Jr.) and a Nazi (SMn).  I'm sure he
> didn't think any of them were capable of murder <g>

Well, this is true, Pam, and of course you've had Lois point this out
(rather unkindly <g>) to Perry in your ongoing 'Just Like That.' But
Clark is a kinder soul....

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Hi Kathy:

>At 4:52 PM -0500 10/13/99, Carolyn Schnall wrote:
>
>>OK, so I am a very slow reader and have very little time if I also want to
>>(sing, work) write stories (and edit stories for others),
>
><Snip> Wasn't giving you a hard time, Carolyn.  I was just so surprised to
>see S5 compared to a deathfic. <g>
>

Thanks, I didn't think you were, but I am a little embarrassed that it took
me so long to get started.  Sorry if the surprise was unpleasant:(  I
didn't mean that as a negative comment but rather as just my reaction to
characters I love dying or seeming to.

>
>> I have been
>>feeling very left out of the S5/6 etc. discussion, so I made an effort to
>>start reading S5 (there is an S7????????
>
>And I'm glad you started reading!  I hope you enjoy it! :)

Thanks, I am, actually:)

>
>But no, no S7 ... when I said you have "two full seasons ahead of you", I
>was refering to S5 (since you just started it) and S6 (which you haven't
>even gotten to yet.)  The Unintentional Season is not associated with S5/6.
>If fact, I believe it would be considered a fifth season of its own (and
>it's very good, too!)
>

I appreciate that clarification,  I'm not sure where to find the
Unintentional stories, though:(

>
>>Also, I only read the first few pages of S5, ep 2, and Clark in the future
>>has died, thanks to Jeremiah:(
>>
>>Of course, I have faith that he's not really dead
>
>Exactly. :)  But getting to find out how he survives is the fun. :)
>

I used to say that I wish I had been cloned so I would have more time but
after Clois, etc,, I take it back:)  I still need more time, though!

>
>>so every time I thought
>>about it, I was really upset and have had no time to read the rest of the
>>ep.  It was a shocker, alright!
>
>LOL! Well finish reading, woman, so you can banish those worrisome
>thoughts! <g> Trust me, not only does it have a happy ending, but episode 2
>will leave you grinning until your cheeks ache. :)
>

Oh, now I am really looking forward to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Kathy (envious of people who have all that great fanfic ahead of them. :))
>
>______________________
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You're envious of me?!?!?!?

Well, I'm envious back of those who have experienced all those wonderful
stories already:)

Thanks,
Carolyn
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OOOOPS!  Many aplologies.  It *is* hard to tell.  Description still applies
except for "his".   Jude
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> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:32:30 -0700 Judith Williams
> <judithwilliams@PRODIGY.NET> wrote:
>
> > My only problem now is that I keep getting
> > flashes of this tiny little bathtub full of soapy bubbles, wherein sits
and
> > wise and distinguished Rat wearing horn rims and a Scottish Tam, typing
on a
> > laptop p.c. sitting on a work table lying across the tub in front of
him.
>
>
> Him? HIM???
>
> It may sometimes be difficult to tell when dealing with small furry
> rodents, but *our* LabRat is definitely a female of the species  <g>.
>
> Wendy
>
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Smack me, I forgot to post this this morning... sorry!  This part also
has *new* material at the end, because I reworked it from what was
posted to the message boards.

TITLE: Just Like That...?
PART: 7/7
AUTHOR: Pam Jernigan (jernigan@bellsouth.net)
RATING: PG
FEEDBACK: Any and all kinds accepted, in public or private.  I'm still
working on this, so I'll take any helpful comments.
SUMMARY: Asabi has switched Lois (Wanda) into the body of a blond clone
-- now that she's remembered who she is, she has to convince Clark.

***

"Get your hands off me," Lois spat, turning to face Lex and wrenching
her arm free of his grasp.  She cursed herself for having let down her
guard, but the adrenaline coursing through her veins gave her courage.

He stepped back, a look of mock surprise on his face.  "Aren't you happy
to see me?"  His expression hardened.  "You've led me a pretty dance, my
dear, but it's over now.  Klaus, grab her."  He nodded to his companion,
a burly young man, who moved towards her.

Lois stepped back, and laughed aloud.  She had few options, she knew,
but a bold gamble might yet pay off.  "I'm not going anywhere with you,"
she stated loudly.  "What are you going to do, kidnap me off the
street?  It's daylight in a respectable neighborhood, you idiot."

Lex frowned at the passers-by, and motioned for Klaus to desist, which
he did with poorly suppressed relief.

"Is he all the muscle you have, 'Kent"?"  Lois asked, taunting him with
the name he'd given her.

He scowled.  "Don't call me that. Kent is a nobody.  I know you've
regained your memory, Lois, so let's not pretend anymore."

"Fine by me," she retorted.  "But for the record, Clark Kent is three
times the man you'll ever be.  You're not worthy to shine his shoes."

Lex's scowl deepened.  "Don't do this, Lois.  Just come with me quietly,
and no one will get hurt."

She shook her head.  "You don't get it, do you?  You managed to mess up
my life pretty thoroughly, but I'd rather die than go with you."

"That can be arranged," he answered quietly, reaching into his coat's
inside pocket to produce a small handgun, pointed right at her.

Lois felt her heart rate accelerate, but stood her ground.  If she went
with him, she was as good as dead anyway -- worse than dead.  "You
really want to shoot me in public, Lex?  You're going to shoot me
yourself?  How sloppy.  How very ... inelegant.  People have noticed you
harassing me.  The police are probably already on their way.  There will
be *witnesses*," she emphasized with a manic gleam in her eye, enjoying
this in a crazy way.  "And those witnesses will *testify* against you.
You're not the man you used to be.  You haven't got the social status
you once had.  You're going to go to a very common prison for *very*
stupid criminals.  Goodbye, Lex.  I am never going anywhere with you
again."  She turned, still high on adrenaline, and began walking away,
her head held high.

"Don't make me do this, Lois," he pleaded softly, a note of real agony
in his voice.

She knew what was coming, but kept walking.  Sometimes there were no
good choices.  Then she heard the gun fire.

*

Clark poured on an extra burst of speed, grateful for a break in the
flow of people walking, and caught the bullet microseconds before it hit
Lois square between the shoulderblades.  He soared sharply upwards, to
avoid hitting any of the cars in the busy street, then controlled his
flight enough to swoop downwards once more, snatching the gun before it
could be fired again.  Then he slowed, and descended, his arms crossed
and his face as menacing as he could make it.

A thin blonde man stood gaping at his empty hand, then looked upwards,
his eyes narrowing in fury.  "You!  You'll pay for this, you interfering
blockhead!"

"The lady doesn't want to go with you," Clark replied with deceptive
mildness.  He had located Lois by hearing her tirade, and part of him
had enjoyed it very much, even as the rest of him had feared for her
life.

"Do you know who I am?"  Lex demanded, his calm facade crumbling.

"Yes," Clark replied, noting that Lois was now standing next to him,
facing her nemesis.  "You're a pathetic old man who can't take no for an
answer."  He looked up as a siren blared briefly, announcing the arrival
of a pair of police officers.

They jumped out of their squad car and approached quickly, hailing him
with friendly waves.  "Superman, what's going on?"

Clark smiled grimly.  "Hello, officers, I'm glad you're here.  This man
just attempted a murder.  She's the intended victim."

The larger of the two officers got a grip on Lex, and his partner turned
to Lois.  "Do you know him, ma'am?"

She looked at Lex for a long moment, then smiled maliciously.  "Never
seen him before.  He tried to mug me, but he wasn't very good at it.
Then he pulled out a gun."

Superman presented the gun, and the policeman wrapped it in cloth as
evidence.  "Well, I'm sure we can get a few witnesses, and with
Superman's testimony, it should be a pretty easy conviction."

Lex had listened thus far in seething silence, but this was too much for
him.  "Convict me?  You morons, you can't do this to me.  I am Lex
Luthor, and I will not be going back to prison!"

The officer holding him tightened his grip.  "Uh-huh, sure you are.  And
I'm Kate Winslet."  He looked over at his partner.  "Maybe you'd better
call Bellevue, and tell them we've got one incoming."

"A psychiatric hospital?"  Lex raved, all control disintegrated.  "You
wouldn't dare.  Klaus--" he looked around wildly, but Klaus seemed to
have disappeared.  "I will *not* be imprisoned!"  With a fierce burst of
strength, he broke free from the policeman's grip, and dashed away, into
the street.

Clark sighed.  Would people never learn?  He exchanged a long-suffering
look with the officers, then turned ... just in time to see Lex run in
front of a bus.  Neither he nor the bus driver had a chance to prevent
the inevitable, and Lex disappeared underneath the wheels with a
sickening thud.

Next to him, Clark sensed more than saw that Lois start to wobble, and
he extended a steady arm.  She grabbed it, gratefully, and looked across
the street, wide-eyed.  "Oh, my..."

The police officers crossed the street, stopping traffic as they went,
and inspected the body.  The officer who'd talked to Lois before
returned.  "He's gone, ma'am.  I'll need your address for my accidental
death report."

Clark spoke up, "She's staying with Clark Kent," and rattled off his
address.  "What's going to happen next?"

The officer shrugged.  "We'll try to identify him, see if any relatives
want to claim the body.  If not ... there's a common grave down in the
Hobbs Bay area.  He'll probably get dumped there.  Saves us court costs,
I guess.  You're free to go, ma'am.  We'll call you if we need you, but
I doubt we will.  Thanks for the help, Superman."  Tipping his hat, the
officer walked back across the street to deal with the legalities of
death.

Clark tried to feel sadness or regret at his arch-enemy's death, but
couldn't quite manage it.  He felt Lois sway, once more, and turned to
see her face contorted as she struggled to control herself.  "Are you
okay?" he asked quietly.

She nodded violently.  "I'm fine, it's just..." a half-hysterical giggle
slipped out, followed by a hiccuping sob.  She clasped a hand over her
mouth to try to contain her reactions.  "Get me out of here," she
hissed, on the verge of losing it altogether.

Obviously, the stress of the last few days -- weeks -- was catching up
to her.  Add in a near-death experience and the sudden shock of her
tormentor's death ... Clark had seen stronger people go to pieces with
less reason.  He scooped her up and took off; she clung tightly to his
neck, burying her face, shaking in his arms.

He headed straight for his apartment, letting go of her only long enough
to change into more comfortable outfit.  Lois stood in the living room,
sniffling, wiping her eyes, and trying valiantly to pull herself
together.  He gathered her into a hug and carried her to the sofa.
"It's okay, Lois, let it all out," he murmured, rubbing her back.

"I don't know what's the matter," she whispered, holding herself stiffly
in his arms.  "It's just that he was going to -- and then, a *bus* --
and --"

"I know.  It's all right.  You're safe now."

At last, she relaxed, her sobs returning.  She burrowed into his
embrace, pouring out the tension of the past few weeks.  Gradually, her
sobs quieted as she fell asleep.  Clark held her, and grieved with her,
and was quietly thankful that somehow, despite it all, they were
together again.

He didn't quite know how they would face the future, or if they could
ever return to even a semblance of their previous lives.  At least he
had her back -- and he would sacrifice anything he had to, in order to
keep her.  The most important thing was that they were together once
more.  Next to that, nothing mattered.

THE END

but there is a sequel --"Being Lois Lane"  :-) which I will start
posting, also serialized, tomorrow.
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At 11:25 AM -0500 10/14/99, Carolyn Schnall wrote:
>>But no, no S7 ... when I said you have "two full seasons ahead of you", I
>>was refering to S5 (since you just started it) and S6 (which you haven't
>>even gotten to yet.)  The Unintentional Season is not associated with
S5/6.
>>If fact, I believe it would be considered a fifth season of its own (and
>>it's very good, too!)
>>
>
>I appreciate that clarification,  I'm not sure where to find the
>Unintentional stories, though:(

All the Unintentional Season stories completed so far have been posted to
both this fanfic list, and the L&C Fanfic Archive.  They are identified as
such in the headings/descriptions, however, we are waiting until the last
few episodes come into the Archive before setting them up with their own
"Theme" page.  Once we have all the episodes, we can put a list of the
stories -- in order -- on its own page, and direct people to them that way.

In the meantime, however, Pam Jernigan has a list of the stories -- in
order -- on her site.  I don't have the URL off-hand, but I'm positive
others can help me out here. :)

Kathy

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Always glad to help out.

Pam's url    http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam
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People,

I'm sure you'll all want to join me in congratulating Clark on his excellent
performance as temporary editor while I was away.  He took over in difficult
circumstances and at very short notice, and I'm very pleased to be able to
tell you that under his leadership, the Planet's circulation rose by two
points.

Now, two points is good, but we can do better than that.  This week, we're
going to double that figure, so I want each and every one of you putting
110% effort into your work.  I want the Planet to be number one for news,
sport, entertainment - every single section we publish.

Specifically:

Cat - I'm waiting for your report on MacDonald.  Also, I know Underhill's
probably not the main perpetrator here, but the fact remains - he's recently
acquired a conspicuously expensive new boat and the Planet should be
reporting on it.  I want you to do a nice little 'society' article about
him, his boat, and the Sailing Club.

Jimmy - take that fancy camera of yours down to the marina and take some
photos of Underhill's new boat, then take them over to Cat.

Clark - did you hear about that train crash in London?  Seems to me there's
a lot of parallels between it and the one here in Metropolis a couple of
months ago.  Check it out.

Lois - Mr Carlton is offering you an exclusive interview about his efforts
to rebuild the Planet.  Obviously it's important that you keep this one
neutral, and he's said himself that he doesn't want a 'puff' piece, so I
don't want you pulling any punches.

Get to it, everyone!

Perry White
Editor-In-Chief, Daily Planet
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Clark,

Are you trying to put your old editor out of a job?  I asked you to look
after the Planet while I was gone, not make it look like I'm ready to be put
out to pasture!

Seriously, son, you did a fine job and I'm proud of you.  Only Lois could
have done a better job (but don't tell her I said so).

Now, I'm going to try and contact Ron Underhill again and re-arrange that
meeting.  I think he might buy it if I can tell him that Superman will be
with me to guarantee his safety.  Can you have a word with the big guy for
me?

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>At 11:25 AM -0500 10/14/99, Carolyn Schnall wrote:
>>>But no, no S7 ... when I said you have "two full seasons ahead of you", I
>>>was refering to S5 (since you just started it) and S6 (which you haven't
>>>even gotten to yet.)  The Unintentional Season is not associated with
S5/6.
>>>If fact, I believe it would be considered a fifth season of its own (and
>>>it's very good, too!)
>>>
>>
>>I appreciate that clarification,  I'm not sure where to find the
>>Unintentional stories, though:(
>
>All the Unintentional Season stories completed so far have been posted to
>both this fanfic list, and the L&C Fanfic Archive.  They are identified as
>such in the headings/descriptions, however, we are waiting until the last
>few episodes come into the Archive before setting them up with their own
>"Theme" page.  Once we have all the episodes, we can put a list of the
>stories -- in order -- on its own page, and direct people to them that way.
>
>In the meantime, however, Pam Jernigan has a list of the stories -- in
>order -- on her site.  I don't have the URL off-hand, but I'm positive
>others can help me out here. :)
>
>Kathy
>
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Thank you Kathy:)

I am looking forward to it very much!

Carolyn
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>Always glad to help out.
>
>
>Pam's url    http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam

I appreciate the URL and I have it bookmarked (probably more than once<g>)
but didn't see the stories.:(

Perhaps thay are not labeled as "Unintentional Season"?

Thanks,
Carolyn
cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu
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did i miss part 6? i can't find it.

thanks.

Sharon L Gilbert, Ph.D.
Center for Community Inclusion
University of Maine at Orono
5717 Corbett Hall
Orono, ME  04468
207/581-1219

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if you still don't like them you are a mile away and you have their
shoes.
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Chris,

Thank you for addressing this issue.  I, for one, was very frustrated by the
lack of attention paid to Clark's feelings over Mayson's death - of course,
you can't expect more from the TV format - so I was delighted to see you'd
written an in-betweenie on the subject.

It was very thoughtful and well-done.  I think you handled Clark's emotions
particularly well, and I liked the consequences you drew out from the
situation.

Yvonne
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Hi everyone

I would like to thank you all for the tip as I am also going on holiday for
a week from tomorrow and this is much easier than unsubscribing and
re-subscribing on return.

Thanks again and I will also see you all in a week.

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Last Saturday, just after checking my mail, I fell down the stairs (well,
flied towards the ground floor will be more accurate <g>). Lucky me, nothing
was broken, but I had to stay in bed the whole week, as it was too painful
to do anything else.

Sorry OUATIM guys, for not being here to play Dan. I must say that some
amazing things happened here... Ellen is pregnant? I don't want to sound
offensive, but isn't she a bit, well, old? I heard of women that had babies
in their fifties and their sixties, but usually these women take hormones or
somthing, no? Phil, you did a *wonderful* job, and even though I've never
read "Number of the Beast", it was still an entertaining, surprising and
resolving (I hope you can use it as an adjective) message.

And as for the subject of this post - it comes from my new tactic in reading
fics: one author at a time. This week is Yvonne's week. (Welcome back,
Yvonne!) Wendy richards, you're next! (There are two new 'Wendy-stories' on
the archive; she's definetly not making my life any easier <g>)

And now... I have almost 200 new messages in my mailbox. It's going to be a
long, long night...

Yael.

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- Oh, god...
- Zod.

(Superman II)
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Ann Wrote:
>>
[snip]
I think the French have a deep-seated belief that the RAF, the French
R=E9sistance, and the Free French Army under the leadership of Charles de
Gaulle all had something to do with Hitler's defeat and the end of World Wa=
r
II; and that the US army did not do it alone.  Hence, the less than 100%
charmed attitude with regard to residents of the US.  It would probably hel=
p
if we developed a little humility here now and again.  It seems as if I
learned that it was a joint effort in history class.  I know my dad, who wa=
s
there, thinks it was a group effort.
<<

I couldn't agree with you more. It often bothers me as I watch American
films about World War II. It seems that American (especially Steven Spilber=
g
<g>) believe they won the war alone. I am in no way trying to underestimate
their contribution to the victory, but let us not forget that America has
joined the war only in December 1941, after the Pearl Harbor bombing, turne=
d
down the request to bomb the Auschwitz deathcamp, even though there were
air-shots proving the massive killing, and refused to shelter refugees
because of the immigration quota.

Yael.

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 He's fictional, but you can't=20
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Lois,

As you sure already know, I was relieved from this investigation. Agent
Marks is a brilliant man, and I=92m sure he=92ll finish what I started. Har=
riet
Dow=92s case is already closed as far as we are concerned. She will be char=
ged
with risking the public=92s health and illegal smuggling. I=92m sure Marks =
will
find out whom she was working for, and nail them.

I hope you=92re all feeling fine,
Dan.

P.S.

The truth is, nothing is fine. I walk around the streets of this idiotic
city and can think of nothing. Not even about her. Everything seems useless=
,
everybody is indifferent. Where can I go? I can=92t get myself to visit her
apartment but I don=92t want to leave just yet. Who knows, maybe she=92ll s=
how
up. I keep telling myself it=92s impossible, but until a week ago I also
considered cloning people as impossible. I went to the hospital, and they
told me only family is allowed. They wouldn=92t even let me see her body.
And why? It doesn=92t make sense. Nothing makes sense these days. Not the
Cafes we won=92t visit, not the movies we won=92t watch.

Everybody talked about how much she was like you. I=92ve got news for you =
=96
she was *nothing* like you. She was naive, and caring, and funny, and
sensitive and I could go on like this forever, but it doesn=92t help now! I=
t
doesn=92t matter anymore. She looked like you. That was all your resemblanc=
e.
Apparently, it was enough to get her killed.

Why do people we love have to die, Lois? Why can=92t we all live forever an=
d
be happy? Is it too much to ask for? Whom should I ask?

I think I=92ll get a plane out of here tomorrow. And then again, maybe I=92=
ll
just get out of my mind.

Dan.

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Zaglembia@mail.com
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>  I must say that some
> amazing things happened here... Ellen is pregnant? I don't want to sound
> offensive, but isn't she a bit, well, old? I heard of women that had
babies
> in their fifties and their sixties, but usually these women take hormones
or
> somthing, no?
>
> Yael

> Not necessarily, Yael.  My great grandmother Richardson had her last child
at
> the age of 52, almost 53, and back then they didn't know about hormones or
any
> of that stuff.  Sometimes it's just a matter of heredity.

Nan Smith

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> - Zod.
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You need to head to the Round robin section. Here's the direct link:

http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/rr_frame.html

They are also listed under misha's fanfic site off my site:

fly.to/superman.net

Look under fanfic. However, Pam's site is more up to date than mine right
now, so I would head there first :). I'm concentrating, right now, on
establishing the Nfic. :)

Enjoy!
Anne :)
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In a message dated 10/14/99 9:32:03 AM EST, Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK
writes:

<< Phil, reflecting that if _everyone_ is equally real/fictional, then
 Lois and Clark exist. And I kinda wish that whoever's writing _my_ life
 would improve things a bit....
 --------------------------------------------------- >>

LOL!  That is so true Phil!  I agree.. I need some better writers.... <G>

Thanks for your comment.  My story about Lara is #3 on my list too!  I will
eventually get to it once I finish my first fanfic, if ever! LOL!

Alexis ;-.)
{who's got the writer's bug and she's got it bad!}
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In a message dated 10/14/99 6:21:42 AM EST, NKWolke@EIFEL-NET.NET writes:

<< It was a gift from a good old friend who went to St. Louis and it
certainly
 is one of the best gifts I ever got! I have it framed and it's hanging over
 my desk now. I can glance at it every time I sit here on my Computer (must
be
 one of the reasons why I spend so much time here <g>) >>

Yeah, a good internet friend of mine (thanks Charlotte) went to St Louis
this
last July and got me an autograph from Dean.  My autograph is inside a Sman
card from the postoffice.  I folded it back so i could just see the writing
and it sits at the edge of my nightstand.  My autograph reads:  To Alexis,
All My Best!  Love, Dean Cain.
This is one of the best things I have ever received in my life!  And I will
treasure it forever! <G>

Alexis ;-.)
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> Perhaps thay are not labeled as "Unintentional Season"?

Carolyn, the Unintentional Season is written by the Round Robin group,
so you'll need to go to the Round Robin subpage to find them.  And that
subpage is woefully out of date; I think I'm about four stories behind
... I haven't updated it in way too long.  But it will get you the
beginning of the season.

And maybe I ought to mention the Unintentional Season on the main page,
thanks for the hint! :)

PJ
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Awww darn.... I feel so sad... I wish Lara could come back from
Alt-Metropolis just to say goodbye.. :(  Great role-playing Yael! <G>

Alexis ;-.)
{aka: Lara}
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>In the meantime, however, Pam Jernigan has a list of the stories -- in
>order -- on her site.  I don't have the URL off-hand, but I'm positive
>others can help me out here. :)
>
>Kathy
>
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>KathyB on IRC
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Hate to disagree with the august Kathy Brown, editor extra-ordinaire, here
:D but Pam's site is NOT up to date... Sorry, Oh Great Chief, too. Pam has
everything on her site up to but (I don't think) not including Blonde
Ambition - at least, I haven't been able to find the rest of them. However,
Anne Ciotola's simplenet site, whose URL I don't remember offhand - sorry,
Anne my friend - seems to have all the stories the archive does, and in
order, too.

/me crawls back under her rock, begging 'Please don't eat me, Kathy, Pam or
Anne - I *don't* taste all that good!' <cringes and grins nervously>

Melisma
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>Ellen is pregnant? I don't want to sound
>offensive, but isn't she a bit, well, old? I heard of women that had babies
>in their fifties and their sixties, but usually these women take hormones
or
>somthing, no?

LOL Yael! No offense taken; this pregnancy is a bit of a shocker to me,
too... My player says there is a reason for it, but she isn't telling me. I
wish she would, as I am going to have to come up with something to tell the
baby's father - he's a scientist, you know. A crackpot scientist, but he is
still going to want an explaination... Oh god - have to run to the bathroom
again. This morning sickness thing is hard on my old bones!

Ell - heave - en