RE: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's = "Penfriend")

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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BEF9C0.1D8D7740-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:50:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NEW: The Quest In-Reply-To: <37D668F9.F9D9B594@bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:47 AM -0400 9/8/99, Pam Jernigan wrote: > But back in 2nd/3rd season, the FOLCs were >speculating, and had a few theories worked up. This was one of them. > >Personally, I always liked Zoom's "dead man switch" theory ... that >Clark's powers shut themselves off whenever he got to a certain level of >arousal It explains how he didn't hear the gunmen approaching in >OP! LOL, I know the feeling. I had heard this theory back in 3rd season, and thought it sounded interesting. So I wrote it into "Camping with Clark". Since then, I've had countless people write me and ask me why I believe that when the show explicitly (er, maybe that's the wrong word to choose here ) showed that he could fly/float while making love (in Soul Mates, Brutal Youth). My response is always that just because I wrote it into a story doesn't mean I believe it to be true. It was a fun idea that I thought I'd play with is all. And yes, I did think of the gunmen in OP. So I enjoyed Pam/Chris's story even though we know it couldn't happen in canon. It brought me back to the good old days, before we "knew" everything and we had lots of fun speculating. :) Kathy ("This is exactly what I thought camping with Clark would be like." "Well, Lois, you are camping with Clark." Ooo, I just love the way he laughs when he says that! :)) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:54:14 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/8/99 7:18:39 AM Central Daylight Time, smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes: << Also, although I certainly have taken the time to peruse them, I find message boards rather ... clunky. That's my sophisticated term for having to wait for each folder and then each individual message to download. The larger ones are real pains in the patootie. And, *that's* my sophisticated term for.... >> I always hope that those who post to the MBs will also post to the lists or archives because I think all fans would love to see their work. However, some have said they don't like the "off topic" threads on the list because, like you, they have just a certain amount of time on line or they have a limit on how much mail they can download. So posts about Dean in St. Louis or Teri in Cabaret, though of interest to some, hold no interest to others who are primarily interested in fanfic and not what the former cast members have been up to. There are others who post only to the archive and no where else and fans who only read stories at the archive. I had to give the new archive address to a fan who wrote to me because she does not subscribe to this list nor does she read the message boards and so didn't know the archive had moved. I guess it boils down to the fact that there's a format and forum for just about all fan tastes whether the fan happens to be a reader or a writer of fanfic. There's some who prefer to use italics or boldface for emphasis in their stories, and UBB code can permit that option on the message boards rather than using asterisks for *emphasis*. Not that it often gets used, but the option is there Some, like Plan 9, find the message boards an ideal format for serialized stories (On the Run), while others find MBs "clunky" Personally, I graze in all the forums when I get a chance, but I know not all fans have that much time and so they tend to gravitate to the forum they prefer. I'm just pleased there's that much fanfic out there that writers and readers have several options. Not bad for a show that vanished two years ago ;) Zoom (not tonight, honey, I've got a modem! ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:31:29 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tara Smith Subject: Test teaser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I've never written a story for Lois and Clark before, but Nan has managed to convince me to try it. So, here's my attempt. If you like it, let me know. If you do, I'll finish it. I don't currently have a title for it, either. I'm terrible at naming things I've written :-) Maggie Carmichael strolled along the ledge. She was dressed casually, in jeans and a t-shirt which proclaimed in red letters �Superman Rules!� on the front and the S-shield on the back. With a tattered backpack hanging from one shoulder, she was indistinguishable from any other teenager. Except, of course, for where she was walking. Maggie glanced down at the street�which just happened to be twenty stories down. It was busy, even this early in the morning, but she knew there wasn�t much chance of anyone spotting her from down there�not even Superman, who she had heard was helping with the aftermath of a monsoon in India. She�d noticed when she�d gotten to the city the night before that, even here, in the great city of Metropolis, home to Superman, people seldom�if ever�looked up. Finally, she reached her goal�a place near the corner of the building, with a great view of the Daily Planet�and settled in. She laid her backpack on the ledge beside her and dangled her feet off the side, staring out over the city. The lights in the office beside her came on abruptly, making her jump. Voices spoke softly, and she concentrated, willing her hearing more acute. When she could hear the words, she paled, horrified. They wanted to hurt Superman! He had to be warned! She stood up carefully, trying hard to stay out of the light coming through the window. As she did, her foot caught on something hard, which clattered noisily to one side. She froze, terrified that they had heard her and would check the ledge, but after a few minutes, nothing happened. The light went out, and the door closed. After the door closed, she sighed and relaxed back against the wall. Then she straightened. Who did she know of who could get this message to Superman? Slowly, a grin spread across her face. Who else? The two reporters who got all the exclusives with the superhero, of course. Lois Lane and Clark Kent! To be continued . . . (maybe) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:32:08 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tara Smith Subject: Test teaser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I've never written a story for Lois and Clark before, but Nan has managed to convince me to try it. So, here's my attempt. If you like it, let me know. If you do, I'll finish it. I don't currently have a title for it, either. I'm terrible at naming things I've written :-) Maggie Carmichael strolled along the ledge. She was dressed casually, in jeans and a t-shirt which proclaimed in red letters �Superman Rules!� on the front and the S-shield on the back. With a tattered backpack hanging from one shoulder, she was indistinguishable from any other teenager. Except, of course, for where she was walking. Maggie glanced down at the street�which just happened to be twenty stories down. It was busy, even this early in the morning, but she knew there wasn�t much chance of anyone spotting her from down there�not even Superman, who she had heard was helping with the aftermath of a monsoon in India. She�d noticed when she�d gotten to the city the night before that, even here, in the great city of Metropolis, home to Superman, people seldom�if ever�looked up. Finally, she reached her goal�a place near the corner of the building, with a great view of the Daily Planet�and settled in. She laid her backpack on the ledge beside her and dangled her feet off the side, staring out over the city. The lights in the office beside her came on abruptly, making her jump. Voices spoke softly, and she concentrated, willing her hearing more acute. When she could hear the words, she paled, horrified. They wanted to hurt Superman! He had to be warned! She stood up carefully, trying hard to stay out of the light coming through the window. As she did, her foot caught on something hard, which clattered noisily to one side. She froze, terrified that they had heard her and would check the ledge, but after a few minutes, nothing happened. The light went out, and the door closed. After the door closed, she sighed and relaxed back against the wall. Then she straightened. Who did she know of who could get this message to Superman? Slowly, a grin spread across her face. Who else? The two reporters who got all the exclusives with the superhero, of course. Lois Lane and Clark Kent! To be continued . . . (maybe) ------------------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:55:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Test teaser In-Reply-To: <19990908203209.40023.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tara, Sounds like you have interesting story idea going here. I hope you decide to finish it. >From your opening, I got the impression that Maggie was either a child of Lois and Clark, or maybe a New Kryptonian that stuck around? Either that or she's a daredevil, walking on a ledge like that. I'm not sure whether anyone would look up or not, but if they did, you can be sure there'd be a lot of activity on the street below as the police were called to rescue a "jumper"! I'll look forward to see where you go with it. Good luck, Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:05:20 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tara Smith Subject: Re: Test teaser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks for the response :-) I've never actually posted a story to anything like this before (or shown anything I've written to anyone but family members :-) so I was **really** nervous about posting this here. I probably will finish it--I've got it all plotted out and all, so why waste a good plot, right? I'm actually working on it right now :-) Tara ------------- >From: Kathy Brown >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: Test teaser >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:55:44 -0500 > >Tara, > >Sounds like you have interesting story idea going here. I hope you decide >to finish it. > >>From your opening, I got the impression that Maggie was either a child of >Lois and Clark, or maybe a New Kryptonian that stuck around? Either that >or she's a daredevil, walking on a ledge like that. I'm not sure >whether anyone would look up or not, but if they did, you can be sure >there'd be a lot of activity on the street below as the police were called >to rescue a "jumper"! > >I'll look forward to see where you go with it. > >Good luck, > >Kathy > >______________________ >Kathy Brown >kathyb@springnet1.com >KathyB on IRC >______________________ ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:27:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? In-Reply-To: <19990907180316.23858.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is a very interesting thread and Sandy's take is terrific. I think I posed questions about this in my NK arc ep thoughts. Perhaps the Els were taking a stand that they did not want Kal to be with Zara afterall. Or, even more in line with the timeline as I percieve it, Zara's family broke the tradition first by taking Zara away to NK? I apologize if I have been redundant here and I was amused that we were suddenly discussing Odo:) Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu >I think with Odo, the difference was that he was raised by solids and had >friends who were solids. The different species thing w/Clark and the NKers >would be interesting, though :-) > > >>From: James Tull >>Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" >> >>To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >>Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? >>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:00:13 -0700 >> >> > Oooo, I *love* this explanation. I could never >> > figure out why a basically >> > nice guy like Clark could have come from the same >> > species as those NK >> > twirps. If they weren't the same species, that >> > would explain it:) >> > >> > Margaret >> >>The same thing could be said of Odo and the Founders. >>James >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:30:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: The Things I Will Do if I Am ever the True Love In-Reply-To: <199908280407.WAA01993@kitsune.swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry I'm a little late in posting this but I was ROTHFLBO over it:) Brilliant and thank you, Debby:) Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu > ###################################################### > WARNING! THIS MAIL SENT BY AN UNVERIFIED USER! > READER BEWARE!!! > ###################################################### > >>>From John Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:16:55 -0400 >From: John VanSickle >Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.movies >Subject: The Things I Will Do if I Am ever the True Love > >There is a distressing tendency in adventure fiction for the Hero's >True Love to be nothing more than a trophy. She gives the hero something >to aspire for, and gives the Evil Overlord someone to use as a hostage, >but that's it. In the typical story she spends most of her time waiting >around for the Hero to rescue her. If she had some kind of useful skill, >she might be able to avoid capture, or effect her own escape in a way >that does not depend on womanly wiles. > The True Love is that category of protagonist whose main role is >that of love interest for the hero or heroine. This does not preclude >military skills, but then again it doesn't preclude the True Love from >being an architect, painter, chef, etc. > DISCLAIMER: The use of masculine/feminine pronouns and assignment >of gender roles is not intended to preclude a reversal of gender roles. >It is, however, intended to offend clueless Web TV types who think that >this list bears any relation to the way I treat women in real life. > > 1. I will never take a vow to marry only someone who can defeat me. I > will learn of those laws which limit my marriage options and work > towards their repeal. I will decided when and who I marry, thank you > very much. > > 2. I will not freeze in terror in the presence of monsters or servants > of the Evil Overlord. > > 3. If I have a friend who never seems to be around when the Hero shows > up and clobbers the Bad Guys, I will draw the appropriate > conclusions. > > 4. If I am captured by the Evil Overlord and escape, I will assume that > he is tracking me in some manner. If I am going to the hidden rebel > base, I shall first go to an alternate location, change clothing, > equipment and means of transportation, and then go to the hidden > rebel base. > > 5. If I have a copy of the Evil Overlord's plans and my capture is > imminent, I will not send the only copy of those plans away with a > cute little sidekick. I will make many copies of the plans and send > them away with many cute little sidekicks. > > 6. I will obtain skill in unarmed combat, so that I can kick Bad Guys > between the legs, and put my elbow into the Evil Overlord's solar > plexus when he uses me as a human shield. I will not, however, > attempt to tackle a Bad Guy bare-handed as long as more practical > alternatives exist. > > 7. I will obtain skill in armed combat, so that when the Evil Overlord > and the Hero are engaged in mortal combat, I can grab some dead > henchman's weapons and help tilt the odds in the Hero's favor. > > 8. I will obtain skill in the use of my legs and feet, so that I can > actually run from one place to another without tripping over every > shadow, crack, and pebble along my path. > > 9. If the Evil Overlord tries to force me into marriage, I will insist > on a ceremony so expensive that it will debilitate his industrial > capacity. I will be picky about the tiniest details of the ceremony > and change my mind frequently so that the resulting delay will give > the Hero more time to rescue me. > >10. My own sidekicks will be picked for brains, not looks. > >11. Since liberated women are still allowed to have it both ways, I will > not rule out using my womanly wiles to defeat the Evil Overlord. > Even if it only works on Stupid Bad Guys, it never hurts to try. > >12. After being forced into a compromising situation, I will not grab a > weapon from the Bad Guy and toss it to the Hero when he walks in; I > will instead grab a weapon from the Bad Guy and use it on him > myself, before the Hero walks in. > >13. Likewise, if I catch the Hero in a compromising situation with > another woman, I will give the Hero the benefit of whatever doubt > might reasonably exist. > >14. When the Evil Overlord forces me to help betray the Hero, I will > make a show of resistance and then feign capitulation. I will then > use whatever resources are placed at my disposal to screw the Evil > Overlord (in a metaphorical sense, of course). > >15. My clothing and footwear will always be appropriate for the > occasion. It will enable me to run, climb, and fight, and will hide > as large an assortment of personal weaponry as is practical. It > will also protect me from frostbite and hypothermia. If my clothing > becomes torn in a manner which threatens to cause me to die of > exposure or transform into cheesecake, I'll steal a jacket from some > bad guy. As I am confident that my charm, loyalty and wit are enough > to maintain the Hero's love, the harem girl outfit is reserved for > private moments when we are living happily ever after. > >16. I will not hesitate to lie about the Secret Location of the Rebel > Base. > >17. If I have any odd phobias to spiders, snakes, lightning, und so > weiter, I will seek therapy and overcome them, so that when lives > depend on my ability to behave intelligently, I won't panic. Since > liberated women can still have it both ways, I will feign phobias in > order to deceive or distract Bad Guys. > >18. If I am offered a bribe, I will accept it, and inform the Hero by a > pre-arranged means. The happily-ever-after will be happier if we > have a good nest egg to start on. > >19. The Hero and I will have a pre-arranged signal so that if one of us > is held at gunpoint and the other is ordered to drop his/her weapon, > the hostage will know when to duck while the other one plugs the Bad > Guy. > >20. Knowing that tentacles have a preference for True Loves, I will keep > an eye out for any and all creatures that might have them. > >21. I will obtain some basic mountaineering skills so that when I am > dangling off of a cliff the Hero can finish off the Evil Overlord > instead of letting him escape in order to rescue me. > >22. If I am presented with a reasonable opportunity to save the day > myself, I will at least try, and not wait for the Hero to do it. > >23. I will never buy an apple from peddlers plying their craft in remote > places where the customer base could not possibly support a > full-time merchant. > >24. I will not give sloppy, wet kisses to the Hero until I verify that > he isn't related to me. > >25. I will not jump out of a lifeboat as it's being lowered over the > side of a sinking ship. I'll either give my spot to a mother with a > baby and join the Hero in a noble death, or sensibly stay on > >26. I will not steal confidential information from the Hero in an > attempt to further my career, thus causing the Hero's dismissal from > the team assembled to save the earth and severely damaging his > efforts to succeed. > >27. If the Hero tells me he wants to break up with me or quit his > dangerous job for my protection, it's already too late; a kidnapping > is already in the planning, and I will take all reasonable > precautions against it. > >28. I will obtain a device that the hero can use to locate me when I, > despite my best efforts, am kidnapped. > >29. I will refrain from converting the Captain of the Guard to our side, > as it means he will be killed while helping me to escape. > >30. I will refuse all gifts from the Evil Overlord. They probably > contain mind-control devices that would make me giddily happy to > marry him. It's demeaning enough to be head-over-heels for the Hero, > let alone a creep like the EO. > >31. When the Sidekick rescues me, I will dump any gifts received from > the Evil Overlord. They probably contain tracking devices, which > would result in the Sidekick getting killed; then I'd have to listen > to his confession of undying love while he croaks, and feel > obligated to say some comforting baloney before his eyes close for > the last time, and then after telling the Hero about his friend's > courageous sacrifice, wind up naming our first child after him. > >32. There is a fifty-fifty chance that the Hero's Sidekick is in love > with me. I'll find him a spunky, moderately-attractive tomboy type > about his height, and steer them towards each other. If they > quarrel, they're in love; if they hit it off, she loves him, but > he's secretly unhappy with her and still loves me, and the Hero will > need to send them off on a mission together. > >33. If I absolutely must scream, I'll use actual words with useful > information. "I'M BEING EATEN BY A SHUGGOTH!" better enables the > Hero to rescue me than does a simple ear-splitting "AAARRRGGHH!" > >34. When the Evil Overlord says that he was driven in his evil by my > radiant beauty, I'll just kill him. > >35. I will never vow to slay the killer of my brother or other near > relative; there is a fair-to-middling chance that the Hero did it, > that it was an accident, and that I won't learn he did it until > after I fall in love with him. > >Know of any more! E-mail me! > >[there is also a similar list for sidekicks at >http://www.erols.com/vansickl/sidekick.htm] > >-- >"A man swears to keep from crying, a woman cries to keep from >swearing." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:03:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe Comments: cc: seven-days@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a combined post to the Fans of Lois and Clark FanFic List and to the Onelist Seven Days list. I figured it would only be fair to include you both because I will need both sides to make this happen. First of all I do not believe I am doing this. This post only proves that I am insane and desperate to write and be read. Irene's posting of individual chapters of her story sparked this idea, so you can blame her. The recent thread of discussion about MBs and the FanFic list has stirred the creative juices once more in the mind of this author-wanna-be and the owner of the mind is starting to listen! But before we get to far.... How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? How many of you Seven Dayers are fans of Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman? If it is only a handful then I won't bother going any further. But if there is interest.... === Mr. D8a Philipians 4:8 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:30:41 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/08/1999 3:06:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM writes: << But before we get to far.... How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? >> I AM!!! There's a Onelist for Seven Days?? Kate (the Maryland One, not the T-shirt one) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:34:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Test teaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit All right, Tara! I knew you had the nerve to try. If your ol' mom can do it, you can. Nan Tara Smith wrote: > I've never written a story for Lois and Clark before, but Nan has managed to > convince me to try it. So, here's my attempt. If you like it, let me know. > If you do, I'll finish it. I don't currently have a title for it, either. > I'm terrible at naming things I've written :-) > > Maggie Carmichael strolled along the ledge. > She was dressed casually, in jeans and a t-shirt which proclaimed in red > letters �Superman Rules!� on the front and the S-shield on the back. With a > tattered backpack hanging from one shoulder, she was indistinguishable from > any other teenager. Except, of course, for where she was walking. > Maggie glanced down at the street�which just happened to be twenty stories > down. It was busy, even this early in the morning, but she knew there > wasn�t much chance of anyone spotting her from down there�not even Superman, > who she had heard was helping with the aftermath of a monsoon in India. > She�d noticed when she�d gotten to the city the night before that, even > here, in the great city of Metropolis, home to Superman, people seldom�if > ever�looked up. > Finally, she reached her goal�a place near the corner of the building, with > a great view of the Daily Planet�and settled in. She laid her backpack on > the ledge beside her and dangled her feet off the side, staring out over the > city. > The lights in the office beside her came on abruptly, making her jump. > Voices spoke softly, and she concentrated, willing her hearing more acute. > When she could hear the words, she paled, horrified. They wanted to hurt > Superman! He had to be warned! > She stood up carefully, trying hard to stay out of the light coming through > the window. As she did, her foot caught on something hard, which clattered > noisily to one side. She froze, terrified that they had heard her and would > check the ledge, but after a few minutes, nothing happened. The light went > out, and the door closed. > After the door closed, she sighed and relaxed back against the wall. Then > she straightened. Who did she know of who could get this message to > Superman? Slowly, a grin spread across her face. Who else? The two > reporters who got all the exclusives with the superhero, of course. Lois > Lane and Clark Kent! > > To be continued . . . (maybe) > > ------------------------------- > > "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: > The Voyage Home > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:38:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen Seven Days a few times, and thought it was okay, but I'm not a big enough fan to go out of my way to watch it. I guess I'd read a crossover, if that's what you're working up to... who knows, the fanfic may convince me to watch the show! :) -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:43:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Test teaser In-Reply-To: <37D6E45E.24D6B36D@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 3:34 PM -0700 9/8/99, Nancy Smith wrote: >All right, Tara! I knew you had the nerve to try. If your ol' mom can do >it, you can. > >Nan > >Tara Smith wrote: Ah, another FoLC mother-daughter? Great! :) Welcome aboard, Tara. :) Gee, Erin, maybe your mom can start writing fanfic, too ... Kathy (whose husband asked, when I spent part of my visit with Erin talking with Judy on the phone ... "how in the world do you know Erin's mom??" "Er, well, see, she used to IRC with us all the time ... I was friends with them both before I ever knew they were related ... hey, don't roll your eyes at me!" ) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:41:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like Seven Days, although I haven't watched all the episodes. I'd certainly read a crossover between it and Lois and Clark Nan James Tull wrote: > This is a combined post to the Fans of Lois and Clark > FanFic List and to the Onelist Seven Days list. I > figured it would only be fair to include you both > because I will need both sides to make this happen. > > First of all I do not believe I am doing this. This > post only proves that I am insane and desperate to > write and be read. > > Irene's posting of individual chapters of her story > sparked this idea, so you can blame her. > > The recent thread of discussion about MBs and the > FanFic list has stirred the creative juices once more > in the mind of this author-wanna-be and the owner of > the mind is starting to listen! > > But before we get to far.... > How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? > > How many of you Seven Dayers are fans of Lois and > Clark: The New Adventures of Superman? > > If it is only a handful then I won't bother going any > further. > > But if there is interest.... > === > Mr. D8a > Philipians 4:8 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:57:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi James, --- James Tull wrote: > This is a combined post to the Fans of Lois and > Clark > FanFic List and to the Onelist Seven Days list. I > figured it would only be fair to include you both > because I will need both sides to make this happen. > > First of all I do not believe I am doing this. This > post only proves that I am insane and desperate to > write and be read. > > Irene's posting of individual chapters of her story > sparked this idea, so you can blame her. Oh yeah, blame it all on me! (bg) > > The recent thread of discussion about MBs and the > FanFic list has stirred the creative juices once > more > in the mind of this author-wanna-be and the owner of > the mind is starting to listen! > > But before we get to far.... > How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? I'm sorry to say, James, that I have never even *heard* of Seven Days. I'm sure it's a great show but ... > > How many of you Seven Dayers are fans of Lois and > Clark: The New Adventures of Superman? > > If it is only a handful then I won't bother going > any > further. > > But if there is interest.... I say, go for it, James. I'll read it but I might have lots of questions for you as to who some of the other characters are. Irene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:57:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a Seven Days list? Really? Cool! Where is it? How do I get it? ----- Original Message ----- From: James Tull To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 3:03 PM Subject: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe > This is a combined post to the Fans of Lois and Clark > FanFic List and to the Onelist Seven Days list. I > figured it would only be fair to include you both > because I will need both sides to make this happen. > > First of all I do not believe I am doing this. This > post only proves that I am insane and desperate to > write and be read. > > Irene's posting of individual chapters of her story > sparked this idea, so you can blame her. > > The recent thread of discussion about MBs and the > FanFic list has stirred the creative juices once more > in the mind of this author-wanna-be and the owner of > the mind is starting to listen! > > But before we get to far.... > How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? > > How many of you Seven Dayers are fans of Lois and > Clark: The New Adventures of Superman? > > If it is only a handful then I won't bother going any > further. > > But if there is interest.... > === > Mr. D8a > Philipians 4:8 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:10:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe both families decided to break with tradition, and deliberately sent the two to different places. On the subject of Odo, it might be interesting to see a Star Trek/LnC crossover :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Schnall To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? > This is a very interesting thread and Sandy's take is terrific. I think I > posed questions about this in my NK arc ep thoughts. Perhaps the Els were > taking a stand that they did not want Kal to be with Zara afterall. Or, > even more in line with the timeline as I percieve it, Zara's family broke > the tradition first by taking Zara away to NK? > > I apologize if I have been redundant here and I was amused that we were > suddenly discussing Odo:) > > Thanks, > Carolyn > cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu > > >I think with Odo, the difference was that he was raised by solids and had > >friends who were solids. The different species thing w/Clark and the NKers > >would be interesting, though :-) > > > > > >>From: James Tull > >>Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >> > >>To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > >>Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? > >>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:00:13 -0700 > >> > >> > Oooo, I *love* this explanation. I could never > >> > figure out why a basically > >> > nice guy like Clark could have come from the same > >> > species as those NK > >> > twirps. If they weren't the same species, that > >> > would explain it:) > >> > > >> > Margaret > >> > >>The same thing could be said of Odo and the Founders. > >>James > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:16:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you going to write a x-over between the two stories? I'd love to read it, when you do:-) ----- Original Message ----- From: James Tull To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 3:03 PM Subject: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe > This is a combined post to the Fans of Lois and Clark > FanFic List and to the Onelist Seven Days list. I > figured it would only be fair to include you both > because I will need both sides to make this happen. > > First of all I do not believe I am doing this. This > post only proves that I am insane and desperate to > write and be read. > > Irene's posting of individual chapters of her story > sparked this idea, so you can blame her. > > The recent thread of discussion about MBs and the > FanFic list has stirred the creative juices once more > in the mind of this author-wanna-be and the owner of > the mind is starting to listen! > > But before we get to far.... > How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? > > How many of you Seven Dayers are fans of Lois and > Clark: The New Adventures of Superman? > > If it is only a handful then I won't bother going any > further. > > But if there is interest.... > === > Mr. D8a > Philipians 4:8 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:02:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Subject: A FoLC Wedding!! Comments: To: L&C Nfic List , LoisandClarkNAOS@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cross-posting to all three lists so everyone gets the word! Karl Kingston and Lori Hope (a.k.a. Peace) invite you to attend the chatroom version of their wedding! The wedding will be held in #KingstonWedding (which will be moderated) and #KingstonWeddingChat (which will be available for conversation). Please note that the transcriptionist will not be available for conversation during the wedding -- will be very busy typing and will ignore any private /msg! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:18:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: YNK and Seven Days MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Tull wrote: > > This is a combined post to the Fans of Lois and Clark > FanFic List and to the Onelist Seven Days list. I have no idea what "Seven Days" is other than a week. Carolyn Schnall wrote: > > This is a very interesting thread and Sandy's take is terrific. I think I > posed questions about this in my NK arc ep thoughts. Perhaps the Els were > taking a stand that they did not want Kal to be with Zara afterall. Or, > even more in line with the timeline as I percieve it, Zara's family broke > the tradition first by taking Zara away to NK? > > I apologize if I have been redundant here and I was amused that we were > suddenly discussing Odo:) > > Thanks, > Carolyn > cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu Carolyn: Why thank you. Being taken terrifically is fun, isn't it? ;) Anyway, I have to apologize. I can't remember what you posted re the NK arc; however, the argument you raise is exactly the one I question. Would the Els risk their son's life -- even more than they might have to -- in order to *just* make a political point? I can see the results of their decision to send him to Earth being a side benefit, i.e., Clark being raised by such wonderful parents in a supposedly meritorious, democratic society. But, I would suggest that their decision ultimately rested on what actions they could take which would have the best chance of saving his *physical* life, with every other consideration coming second. After all, as the saying goes, where there's life there's hope, and no one can predict the future. Even if Kal-El had been sent to NK with the prospect looming in the future of becoming Zara's mate and being a part of an aristocracy they didn't support, his parents couldn't be certain that that is what would have happened nor that he wouldn't have cared for Zara. Who knows? If Clark had been raised with the NKs, he may still have questioned the system he was living under and rebelled. And, perhaps he, Zara, and the other New Kryptonians would have set up a different societal structure under *his* influence. (Makes you wonder what Kal-El's absence, in the grand scheme of things, cost the New Kryptonians.) That's why I brought up the matter of a death threat hanging over his head if he had been sent with the colonists -- or some other inpenetrable barrier to his going there which would have been more immediate and dire, requiring a radical solution such as a gamble on Earth. Sandy smcdermin@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:20:05 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: NEW: The Quest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/8/99 8:49:15 AM EST, jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: << Personally, I always liked Zoom's "dead man switch" theory ... that Clark's powers shut themselves off whenever he got to a certain level of arousal It explains how he didn't hear the gunmen approaching in OP! >> Unfortunately, I wasn't around when LnC was on the air. I got AOL internet access right after the show ended! ;( I would of loved debating.. ur I mean discussing these issues with you guys. I agree with you, Zoom's theory makes a lot of sense. hehehe ;) Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:12:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: Lois' shopping list In-Reply-To: <00ba01bef8ad$3b20f980$809601d4@MFUK.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:38 PM 09/06/1999 +0100, Yvonne wrote: [snip] >Debbie Debby (see email address; I always spell it right there) >suggested: > >***Being a closet chocoholic himself (not unlikely given that we saw that >Kryptonians seem to prefer junk food to pure, wholesome food) (which moms >viewing must have been upset about when their kids insisted "Well, *Supaman* >eats Twinkies!"), Superman had only to zip to Clark's apartment and break into >the stash of chocolate that he keeps in the box on the floor of his Supersuit >closet.*** > >Nice try, Debbie, Debby (see sign off; I always spell it right there) >but he's kind of cheating if he does this, isn't he? Far be it from Clark Kent to cheat about anything... >He's decided on impulse to fetch all the things Lois mentions - and she's clearly >telling him that she wouldn't expect him to fetch them from their country of >origin - so he's breaking his own 'rule', if you see what I mean. Not very >Clark-like, I reckon ;) so he rushes to Mexico, the country of origin of Chocolate... [snip] >The question is, how did Clark figure all this out so quickly? In theory he can think pretty quickly because he *has* to because he can move so quickly. By necessity he has to have a fast processor or he'll always run into things. However, during the show, I (and at times only I) found the *quality* and *results* of his thought processes often quite faulty. I believe this was due to the difficulty many writers have thinking up things that would challenge a smart/clever person. Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:22:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Question for a fanfic: Nightfall Asteroid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone give me the approximate date that Superman was supposed to have shattered the Nightfall asteroid? It's important. Nan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:34:00 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe In-Reply-To: <19990908220323.10024.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:03 PM 09/08/1999 -0700, you wrote: [snip] >But before we get to far.... >How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? > >How many of you Seven Dayers are fans of Lois and >Clark: The New Adventures of Superman? Me, me, on both counts :) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:29:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: A FoLC Wedding!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congrats. When? ''' '''''' ''''''''''' tossing cyber-rice ''''''' ''''' ''' ' Sandy Peace wrote: > > Cross-posting to all three lists so everyone gets the word! > > Karl Kingston and Lori Hope (a.k.a. Peace) > invite you to attend > the chatroom version > of their wedding! > > The wedding will be held in > #KingstonWedding > (which will be moderated) > and > #KingstonWeddingChat > (which will be available for conversation). > > Please note that the transcriptionist will not be available for conversation > during the wedding -- will be very busy typing and will ignore any private > /msg! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:30:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Donna Burton Subject: Re: A FoLC Wedding!! WHEN????? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:13:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anita Dicker Subject: Re: I will pickup the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like 'Seven Days' and have watched most of the episodes. If it's a crossover I would read it. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:36:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? In-Reply-To: <19990908230822.11453.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" StarKitty wrote: >On the subject of Odo, it might be interesting to see a Star Trek/LnC >crossover :-) Um, there is a small email round robin group (not the 'official' IRC roundrobiners) who are currently doing just this. It's TNG/LnC, not DS9/LnC, tho'. And we've had a few technical difficulties recently, so we're behind schedule. Um, Kara, if you're on this list, I'm still waiting for you to send me the story. Thanks, sis :D Melisma ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:54:18 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a few questions for a fanfic that I'm working on. First, was there ever any type of description associated with either the Kerth or the Merriweather awards on the show? Ie. Would one be for hard news stories, and the other more for lighter pieces? Secondly, is there anyone on the list who is fluent in French who would be available to proof a small amount of dialogue written in French. (It's not actually written yet, but you can't be too prepared!) Thanks for the help, Irene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:51:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Subject: A FoLC Wedding!! - Revised Comments: To: L&C Nfic List , LoisandClarkNAOS@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cross-posting to all three lists so everyone gets the word! Karl Kingston and Lori Hope (a.k.a. Peace) invite you to attend the chatroom version of their wedding on September 11, 1999 at 6 p.m. EDT! [insert very sheepish grin here] The wedding will be held in #KingstonWedding (which will be moderated) and #KingstonWeddingChat (which will be available for conversation). Please note that the transcriptionist will not be available for conversation during the wedding -- will be very busy typing and will ignore any private /msg! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:02:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic In-Reply-To: <19990909015418.6182.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Irene, I would be proud to proof your French dialogue. Send away! Melisma ------------------------------------ At 06:54 PM 9/8/99 -0700, you wrote: >I have a few questions for a fanfic that I'm working on. > >First, was there ever any type of description associated with either >the Kerth or the Merriweather awards on the show? Ie. Would one be for >hard news stories, and the other more for lighter pieces? > >Secondly, is there anyone on the list who is fluent in French who would >be available to proof a small amount of dialogue written in French. >(It's not actually written yet, but you can't be too prepared!) > >Thanks for the help, >Irene ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:09:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't remember anything about them, other than that they were mentioned. Clark beat Lois out in the Kerth nomination with a story about a nursing home scandal, when Lois's piece was something about something more violent, so I guess you could say that was hard news. I don't think they ever specified what the Merriweather was for, though. Wasn't the article Lois was researching by following Clark around (after he got robbed in "The Foundling") for the Merriweather Award? You can tell I'm a bit punchy heree. I've been writing on "Assassin's Dagger" all day and I'm seeing double. Nan P.S. You wouldn't happen to know the approximate date Clark was supposed to have shattered Nightfall, would you? Irene D. wrote: > I have a few questions for a fanfic that I'm working on. > > First, was there ever any type of description associated with either > the Kerth or the Merriweather awards on the show? Ie. Would one be for > hard news stories, and the other more for lighter pieces? > > Secondly, is there anyone on the list who is fluent in French who would > be available to proof a small amount of dialogue written in French. > (It's not actually written yet, but you can't be too prepared!) > > Thanks for the help, > Irene > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:11:33 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Test teaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/08/1999 5:05:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jilectan@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << I've got it all plotted out and all, so why waste a good plot, right? I'm actually working on it right now :-) >> And you just wanted to make us sweat and plead? :P C'mon give it up!! --Laurie ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:13:48 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/08/1999 6:06:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM writes: << But before we get to far.... How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? >> never heard of it. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:12:59 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Merci beaucoup. But first, I have to write it! It might take me a few weeks before I have it ready to send to you. Can you take text attachments? Would you like a preview of what I've written so far? It's pretty dark. How is your new job going and what is it? You've mentioned civil service training but ... Irene --- Melisma wrote: > Irene, I would be proud to proof your French > dialogue. Send away! > > Melisma > > ------------------------------------ > At 06:54 PM 9/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I have a few questions for a fanfic that I'm > working on. > > > >First, was there ever any type of description > associated with either > >the Kerth or the Merriweather awards on the show? > Ie. Would one be for > >hard news stories, and the other more for lighter > pieces? > > > >Secondly, is there anyone on the list who is fluent > in French who would > >be available to proof a small amount of dialogue > written in French. > >(It's not actually written yet, but you can't be > too prepared!) > > > >Thanks for the help, > >Irene > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:15:17 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oops, meant to send it to Mel privately. Sorry, FoLCs Irene --- "Irene D." wrote: > Merci beaucoup. But first, I have to write it! It > might take me a few > weeks before I have it ready to send to you. Can > you take text > attachments? Would you like a preview of what I've > written so far? > It's pretty dark. > > How is your new job going and what is it? You've > mentioned civil > service training but ... > > Irene > > --- Melisma wrote: > > Irene, I would be proud to proof your French > > dialogue. Send away! > > > > Melisma > > > > ------------------------------------ > > At 06:54 PM 9/8/99 -0700, you wrote: > > >I have a few questions for a fanfic that I'm > > working on. > > > > > >First, was there ever any type of description > > associated with either > > >the Kerth or the Merriweather awards on the show? > > Ie. Would one be for > > >hard news stories, and the other more for lighter > > pieces? > > > > > >Secondly, is there anyone on the list who is > fluent > > in French who would > > >be available to proof a small amount of dialogue > > written in French. > > >(It's not actually written yet, but you can't be > > too prepared!) > > > > > >Thanks for the help, > > >Irene > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:31:57 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/08/1999 9:54:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes: << First, was there ever any type of description associated with either the Kerth or the Merriweather awards on the show? Ie. Would one be for hard news stories, and the other more for lighter pieces >> I thought the Kerths were for investigative journalism but maybe that's only one category you could win in. --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:53:22 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Moon Klutz Subject: Re: Test teaser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Oh, this could get interesting. I like it so far! Klutz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:38:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Maggie Subject: Re: Test teaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tara, dear, any author who has the good sense to name one of her characters Maggie is *obviously* on the right track! :o) Consider yourself an apprentice in the Fanfiction Goddess Hall of Fame, and write girl, write!! the humble opinion of Kerth Groupie #1 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:29:38 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Test teaser In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: > Ah, another FoLC mother-daughter? Great! :) Welcome aboard, Tara. :) Yes, welcome aboard, Tara! I can't wait to read your story, especially if your talent's anything like your mom's. ;) > Gee, Erin, maybe your mom can start writing fanfic, too ... Kathy, bite your tongue! > Kathy (whose husband asked, when I spent part of my visit with > Erin talking > with Judy on the phone ... "how in the world do you know Erin's mom??" > "Er, well, see, she used to IRC with us all the time ... I was > friends with > them both before I ever knew they were related ... hey, don't roll your > eyes at me!" ) ROTFL! But don't worry...if I had a dime for every time my husband rolled his eyes at me for talking about some IRC or FoLC friend connection...well, you know the drill. Seriously, is there *anybody* here whose significant other *doesn't* do the patient but "oh brother" eye-roll thing when we get excited about something on the list or on IRC and are eager to share it with them? Erin (who can still remember her husband's shocked look, followed by the all-too-familiar eye roll when she asked him to write a program for organizing Kerth nominations: "You want me to write a program for WHAT??" ) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:35:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cynthia Haste Subject: Fanfic Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know how many volts a downed power line would emit? -- Solitude is fine, but you need someone to tell you that solitude is fine. - Honore de Balzac The Rules of Chocolate: If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too slowly. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:30:54 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Archieve? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a lot of you know, I am currently working on my first fanfic. i eventually want to post it to some fanfic list. This got me to thinking how a fanfic can eventually end up on the archieve list. I mean the archieve list that has S5, S6, themes, Kerth's etc.. you know what i mean right? Can one just send it there, or do you have to go through a process or something? Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:32:23 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tara Smith Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed That's cool. I like TNG, too :-) I can't wait to read it! >From: Melisma >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:36:32 -0700 > >StarKitty wrote: > >On the subject of Odo, it might be interesting to see a Star Trek/LnC > >crossover :-) > >Um, there is a small email round robin group (not the 'official' IRC >roundrobiners) who are currently doing just this. It's TNG/LnC, not >DS9/LnC, tho'. And we've had a few technical difficulties recently, so >we're behind schedule. Um, Kara, if you're on this list, I'm still waiting >for you to send me the story. Thanks, sis :D > >Melisma > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:32:44 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Archieve? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excuse the misspelling of archive... I am kinda tired from my workout! Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:36:45 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tara Smith Subject: Re: Test teaser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I didn't really think anyone would want to read it. I'll finish it--I'll probably get Nan to look it over, too. I have another section finished, it just needs a little polishing :-) (ok, make that a *lot* of polishing!) >From: No Name Available >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: Test teaser >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:11:33 EDT > >In a message dated 09/08/1999 5:05:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >jilectan@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > ><< I've got it all plotted out and all, so why waste a good > plot, right? I'm actually working on it right now :-) >> > >And you just wanted to make us sweat and plead? :P >C'mon give it up!! > >--Laurie ;) ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:39:26 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tara Smith Subject: Re: Test teaser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks. As soon as I think its ready, I'll send out a second part. It's still untitled, though. >From: Moon Klutz >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: Test teaser >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:53:22 PDT > >Oh, this could get interesting. I like it so far! >Klutz > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:40:48 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tara Smith Subject: Re: Test teaser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed :-) I'm working on it. It's been slow going today. I should have another chunk ready soon, though :-) >From: Maggie >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: Test teaser >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:38:14 -0400 > >Tara, dear, any author who has the good sense to name >one of her characters Maggie is *obviously* on >the right track! :o) >Consider yourself an apprentice in the Fanfiction >Goddess Hall of Fame, and write girl, write!! > >the humble opinion >of Kerth Groupie #1 > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:42:47 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tara Smith Subject: Re: Test teaser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Um, well, I'm not as good as Mom, so don't expect too much. I'm probably going to get her to look it over, though, so, we'll see. :-) >From: Erin Klingler >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >Subject: Re: Test teaser >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:29:38 -0600 > >Kathy wrote: > > > Ah, another FoLC mother-daughter? Great! :) Welcome aboard, Tara. :) > >Yes, welcome aboard, Tara! I can't wait to read your story, especially if >your talent's anything like your mom's. ;) > > > > Gee, Erin, maybe your mom can start writing fanfic, too ... > > >Kathy, bite your tongue! > > > > Kathy (whose husband asked, when I spent part of my visit with > > Erin talking > > with Judy on the phone ... "how in the world do you know Erin's mom??" > > "Er, well, see, she used to IRC with us all the time ... I was > > friends with > > them both before I ever knew they were related ... hey, don't roll your > > eyes at me!" ) > >ROTFL! But don't worry...if I had a dime for every time my husband rolled >his eyes at me for talking about some IRC or FoLC friend connection...well, >you know the drill. Seriously, is there *anybody* here whose >significant other *doesn't* do the patient but "oh brother" eye-roll thing >when we get excited about something on the list or on IRC and are eager to >share it with them? > >Erin (who can still remember her husband's shocked look, followed by the >all-too-familiar eye roll when she asked him to write a program for >organizing Kerth nominations: "You want me to write a program for WHAT??" >) > >__________________ >erink@ida.net >Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek > ***** >"It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they >happen." >__________________ ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 03:24:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: Test teaser/Eye Rolling Comments: cc: Lisa A Tull MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Erin Klingler wrote: > Kathy wrote: > > > Ah, another FoLC mother-daughter? Great! :) > Welcome aboard, Tara. :) > > Yes, welcome aboard, Tara! I can't wait to read > your story, especially if > your talent's anything like your mom's. ;) > Tara, I also want to see the rest of the story! Would begging help? > ROTFL! But don't worry...if I had a dime for every > time my husband rolled > his eyes at me for talking about some IRC or FoLC > friend connection...well, > you know the drill. Seriously, is there > *anybody* here whose > significant other *doesn't* do the patient but "oh > brother" eye-roll thing > when we get excited about something on the list or > on IRC and are eager to > share it with them? Don't forget us Erin . I realize that Elisabeth and I are one of the only husband/wife FOLC, so your forgiven for forgetting about us. We may be the exception to the rule. > > Erin (who can still remember her husband's shocked > look, followed by the > all-too-familiar eye roll when she asked him to > write a program for > organizing Kerth nominations: "You want me to write > a program for WHAT??" > ) LOL === Mr. D8a Philipians 4:8 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 03:34:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: OT: How to get to seven days on onelist (wasRe: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To subscribe Subscribe: seven-days-subscribe@onelist.com It's not a very chatty list, but I am sure that if enough of you chatty FOLCs join it will perk up pretty quick. James --- StarKitty wrote: > There's a Seven Days list? Really? Cool! Where is > it? How do I get it? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Tull > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 3:03 PM > Subject: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe > > > > This is a combined post to the Fans of Lois and > Clark > > FanFic List and to the Onelist Seven Days list. I > > figured it would only be fair to include you both > > because I will need both sides to make this > happen. > > > > First of all I do not believe I am doing this. > This > > post only proves that I am insane and desperate to > > write and be read. > > > > Irene's posting of individual chapters of her > story > > sparked this idea, so you can blame her. > > > > The recent thread of discussion about MBs and the > > FanFic list has stirred the creative juices once > more > > in the mind of this author-wanna-be and the owner > of > > the mind is starting to listen! > > > > But before we get to far.... > > How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? > > > > How many of you Seven Dayers are fans of Lois and > > Clark: The New Adventures of Superman? > > > > If it is only a handful then I won't bother going > any > > further. > > > > But if there is interest.... > > === > > Mr. D8a > > Philipians 4:8 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:03:12 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Test teaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erin wrote: >ROTFL! But don't worry...if I had a dime for every time my husband rolled >his eyes at me for talking about some IRC or FoLC friend connection...well, >you know the drill. Seriously, is there *anybody* here whose >significant other *doesn't* do the patient but "oh brother" eye-roll thing >when we get excited about something on the list or on IRC and are eager to >share it with them? > >Erin (who can still remember her husband's shocked look, followed by the >all-too-familiar eye roll when she asked him to write a program for >organizing Kerth nominations: "You want me to write a program for WHAT??" >) LOL, Erin! Yes, this is a familiar scenario. Stuart usually gives me his patented "I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but I agree absolutely with everything you just said." look. He saves the eye rolling for when I bounce downstairs and ask him scientific research questions on Superman "So....if there was this big forest fire and Superman spun round really, really fast and made a mini tornado....would he put it out?" "Well....no. But this is SF....you can get away with fudging it a little." "Yes, but there has to be *some* basis of reality - even in SF." "True." "So....if Superman made a mini tornado....would he put it out?" "Well.....no. Um...can I go back to sleep now?" LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:05:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Phillip Atcliffe Subject: Re: NEW S6, Ep 13--Preparations In-Reply-To: <199909080427.EAA50274@out1.ibm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:24:16 -0400 Marnie Rowe wrote: > Oh man, that was good!! I was on the edge of my comp chair the entire time and since its on wheels, twice near the end the chair got away >from me!! I can hardly wait till the end installment, so please don't wait too long to get it done please, please, please with whipping cream and a cherry on top.... < Can't stand cherries; make it a chocolate praline and you're on. Leave the cream . I'm writing as fast as I can -- really! The darn thing just keeps getting bigger and bigger; there's a lot to wrap up! What is now 3 episodes was originally intended to be just one, so you can imagine the size that _that_ would have been had we not decided to chop it up. FWIW, part 3 is already bigger than part 2, and I'm still hard at it. Anyway, glad you're enjoying it. Phil, taking a break (?) from the finale -- just long enough to catch my breath, honest! -------------------------------------------------------------- "If you let a smile be your umbrella... you'll get wet teeth!" -- a forgotten comedian, quoted by me: Phil Atcliffe (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:23:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: Test teaser Comments: cc: all4_mr_d8a@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi LabRat --- LabRat wrote: > LOL, Erin! Yes, this is a familiar scenario. Stuart usually gives me his patented "I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but I agree absolutely with everything you just said." look. He saves the eye rolling for when I bounce downstairs and ask him scientific research questions on Superman > > "So....if there was this big forest fire and Superman spun round really, really fast and made a mini tornado....would he put it out?" > > "Well....no. But this is SF....you can get away with fudging it a little." > > "Yes, but there has to be *some* basis of reality - even in SF." > > "True." > > "So....if Superman made a mini tornado....would he put it out?" > > "Well.....no. Um...can I go back to sleep now?" ROFLOL Labrat! Often in our household it goes like this... "Does Red K every effect Superman physically?" "In the canon of LnC...no. But historically in the realm of DC comics it usually effected him physically and mentally, but usually not at the same time." "So your saying no?" "In a strictly narrow definition of the word...yes." "I thought so." === Mr. D8a Philipians 4:8 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:47:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: To write or not to write that is the question... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii These are the thoughts of a tortured author-wanna-be. 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At some point I will need an editor or two but not for a couple of weeks. I still have to write the thing and finish the one that Elisabeth and I are currently working on. Thanks for your enthusiasm. === Mr. D8a Philipians 4:8 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:25:52 +0100 Reply-To: menolly@chantico.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Menolly Subject: La Recherche du Dayzs Perdu [2/2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable A short flight of stone steps led down from the terrace to the gravel paths of the garden. Like so many others they'd seen here it was formal, carefully controlled and planned. Intricately entwined low hedges, barely six inches high, outlined abstract patterns that were filled with roses. A series of interlinked narrow rectangular pools ran the length of the garden and high yew hedges enclosed the space. Outside those, the vineyards began; the terraces of vines descended to the river far below, a triumph of human engineering centuries old. The garden was quiet; only the water, mumbling from a fountain in the wall of the terrace, broke the stillness. The faint scent of the garden that Lois had caught from the balcony of their room was more intense here. She and Clark walked here every morning after breakfast, either planning the day ahead or - like today - quietly enjoying each other's company before venturing out. The gravel crunched under their feet, shifting into shallows indentations to mark their trail. Clark reached down to brush the back of his hand through the small green border of a flowerbed; he pinched a couple of leaves off and sniffed them. Lois looked at him quizzically, so he offered them to her; somewhat dubious, Lois took a breath of the leaves' scent. It was an intense tang, the base of the garden's fragrance; it smelt like summer. =93What is that?=94 she asked. =93Box; it's a bit like privet, just smaller leaves and with a better fragrance.=94 Lois was privately amused that he still assumed she'd know what privet looked like. That it was a hedge, and therefore probably green, was about the limit of her information. No-one had ever accused her of having a talent for gardening. The garden was small, and they had wandered all the way around it with plenty of time to spare to reach the station comfortably before the train. The 'five minutes' to the station turned out to be just that, along dusty roads edged by banks that scrambled up to low granite walls that held fields of maize. From the walls jutted posts, also granite, supporting the ubiquitous vines that scrambled through the region and framed the fields. The infinitely varying green of the leaves had provided a welcome shade for the occasional walks they'd taken through the fields down to a nearby stream. Lois let Clark deal with the tickets; the station was barely a stopping point with only a shelter and a small octagonal concrete building - =93hutch=94 was the best word to describe it - which acted as the ticket office. Lois was surprised the place even merited a ticket office; there couldn't be much traffic through here. She mentioned this to Clark when he rejoined her. =93No, there isn't much - it's only open because there's a train due. He'll close up once it arrives and won't open up until half an hour before the next one.=94 That seemed to Lois to be an odd way to employ someone. =93He's also in charge of the road-crossing here,=94 Clark pointed to the gates on either side of the railway lines, =93so he'll probably live in the house next to the lines there. It's a fairly standard arrangement around here. Free board and lodging in return for a constantly interrupted day.=94 At that moment a couple of children ran out from the house and dashed to close the gates; a minute later and the rails started to echo. The train arrived with a groan of straining metal, brakes squealing. Once inside, the train wasn't particularly luxurious but the seats were comfortable enough. Lois found herself dozing against Clark's shoulder, his arm around her shoulders anchoring her to him. The landscape they were passing through was dramatic; the railway line followed the river downstream to Oporto, cut into the side of the steep granite river banks and hugging the shoreline barely a few feet above water. On either side, above them, rose terraces of vines like those that surrounded the hotel. Every so often they would pass a farm on the far side of the river; these were nothing like the farms Lois was used to seeing in Kansas. Clark had called them =93quintas=94; they were smallholdings, mostly vines and a small area in which they grew crops for the family. Only on the upper, shallower, reaches of the hills above the river grew more conventional farm crops. =93Why are the fields so small here?=94 she mused. Clark looked down, surprised she was still awake. The last time they'd travelled by train she'd fallen asleep within minutes; the inexorable soporific rumble of the train over the tracks took its toll. She wasn't particularly awake, either, he noticed; her eyes were closing as he described the problems of subdivision of estates as a result of Napoleonic laws of succession. She could do with the sleep, he thought, so he deliberately set his voice to a lulling cadence as he spoke. The next thing Lois knew, it was dark outside. She blinked the sleep from her eyes in confusion; Clark sat up as she stirred. =93Where are we?=94 she asked, =93and why is it dark?=94 Clark smothered a laugh at the mildly petulant confusion in her voice. =93We're coming into Oporto, and it's dark because we're in a tunnel.=94 =93A tunnel?=94 asked Lois, =93Like the Metro or something?=94 =93No, Oporto's built on hills; I guess it was easier to take the railway line through and under rather than knock down half the city to reach the station.=94 A moment later and the train eased its way along a platform; the station seemed to grow out of the side of a hill, covered by a glass and girders roof supported on high steel pillars. They spent the day just meandering through the city, taking in their surroundings and delighting in pointing out things that amused them or just looked interesting - a series of shops in a narrow alley that sold votive offerings of wax in the shape of every body part you could image; small hardware stores that sold things that Metropolis hadn't seen since the days of Lois' grandparents; a furniture store that could have been the place that provided the hotel furnishings, all 19th century mahogany and intricate carving; the designs picked out in black against the white granite setts that formed the sidewalks. They wandered into a bookstore which had a staircase growing up through the middle of the store, so sinuously carved that it seemed almost organic; the books were disappointing, mostly coffee-table imports. Not far from there they lunched in a caf=E9 that didn't appear to have changed since the beginning of the century - all cracked leather seats, foxed mirrors and a riot of gilded art nouveau cherubs and gods decorating the ceiling. The waiters wore short white coats with shining brass buttons; the tables were covered in heavy cream linen; the service was impeccable. Too well-fed to move for a while they lingered over coffee and watched people pass by, entertaining each other with stories about them. The thick-set man over there, talking into a cellphone; he was a Russian, here to try and offload some illicit goods smuggled into the shipyards on a Japanese freighter. The woman by the window, all tan and teeth; she was trying to remember which of the lipsticks on display she didn't already possess. Later, as Lois' legs protested faintly at the punishing combination of granite sidewalks and hills, they found themselves in a park high on the bank of the river. The gardens were just as formal as that at the hotel, on a grander scale. The same box hedges, with their scent of summer, and a profusion of roses in all colours. Goldfish shivered the water in small pools; wall fountains rippled into basins. They sat for a while, watching the bustle on the quays on the far bank of the river some way below them. The city didn't rise as steeply from the river here as it did miles upstream, where the hotel was, but they were still some way up. The afternoon was closing into evening when Clark stood and took Lois' hand. =93Let's go visit this bar, then we can get back.=94 The bar was tucked down a side street next to the park; Lois clung to Clark's hand to avoid twisting an ankle on the uneven granite of the cobbled street. They passed through a set of wrought iron gates; a small manor house stood to their left, overlooking a car park shaded with trees from the park. Lois headed for a dark green door that stood open in the whitewashed wall of the house and was surprised when Clark tugged at her hand, leading her down to a flight of steps. She looked at him, puzzled. =93It's down here; the main part of the house is a museum.=94 He pointed out a small plaque on the wall next to the door, too small to read from where they were. =93Of port?=94 =93No, I don't think so. We can always ask.=94 They'd reached the bottom of the steps by now, and Clark led the way into a cool shaded room. =93Bliss.=94 Lois sank into one of the deep leather armchairs that were scattered around; the air conditioning was a welcome relief after the heat of the day. She peered around; the room was built of yet more granite, a colonnade of arches opening onto another formal rose garden. It was enclosed from the heat by walls of glass beneath the arches. Lois closed her eyes and let her head drop back; the room was peaceful, with just a murmur in the background - she supposed Clark was ordering something. She could tell his voice, but not what he was saying. =93This is heaven,=94 she whispered, certain he'd hear her. Clark settled into the chair next to Lois'; he had heard and agreed. The city had satisfied Lois' Metropolis withdrawal, but it was draining and this calm was welcome. =93So, did you have a good time?=94 he teased; she'd been delighted by the city, and he'd delighted in watching her explore it. =93Mmmm. My feet may never forgive me, though,=94 she smiled. =93What did you order?=94 =93Just a couple of coffees. It seems too hot to drink anything stronger; is that alright, or do you want something else? I'm sorry, I should have asked.=94 =93No, that's fine. I did tell you I wanted you to make some of the decisions, remember?=94 Lois looked up just in time to see an expression of startled amusement cross Clark's face. =93What's so funny?=94 =93Nothing, nothing at all ...I'll just remind you of that next time you shoot down one of my decisions about the way to write a story for Perry.=94 Clark laughed and ducked as Lois swatted at him; if she'd connected it would have hurt her hand, not him, and he had plans for her hands later. The coffee arrived and they slipped into a companionable silence again. Half an hour later, the coffee was finished and the silence had given way to a murmured exchange of reminiscences of the day. Clark stretched. =93Ready to go?=94 he asked. =93Mmm-hmm,=94 Lois nodded. =93How long will it take us to get back?=94 =93A couple of hours, I think.=94 At the grimace that passed over Lois' face, Clark thought rapidly. The park had had several forested areas, away from the main paths ... and there was that place down by the stream near the hotel, no-one seemed to go there much. =93Do you want to ...=94 he gestured, his hand dipping to indicate flying. =93Is it safe?=94 asked Lois. =93I think so; the park's got some secluded spots and there's that corner on the stream away from the path near the hotel. It's twilight now and if I fly fast enough no-one should spot us.=94 =93What happened to taking things slowly on holiday?=94 teased Lois as they left. =93There's a time and place for taking things slowly, and I intend to reach it as soon as possible,=94 smiled Clark. Lois laughed; patience was not always his forte. They weren't spotted and, as they tumbled out of the woods near the stream, Clark caught Lois' hand and pulled her to him. =93I had a wonderful day; thank you,=94 he murmured just before she kissed him. =93You're entirely welcome,=94 her voice was indistinct; she was reluctant to leave the sensual touch of his mouth but Clark could feel her smile. The babble of the stream faded into the background as the moment stretched; the kiss deepened, sped by the edge of restraint they'd indulged in all day. The centre of a busy city wasn't quite the place to loose themselves in a kiss, no matter that no-one there knew them; such things had a tendency to flame out of control too quickly for public consumption. Now there was no-one to watch, and they took the time to release the restraint. No mere brush of mouths, this was a full open kiss; Clark dipped into Lois' mouth almost before they touched. She nipped gently at his exploration, taking advantage of his momentary retreat to follow and taste him; she suckled his lower lip with a delicate passion. Clark groaned her name, startling something in the undergrowth nearby; they were startled in turn, pulling apart at the unexpected noise of something small crashed away through the bracken. =93Let's take this somewhere else; where we won't scare the wildlife,=94 smiled Clark, amusing replacing momentary surprise. Lois laughed and took his hand, following him across the precariously balanced stepping stones that led across the river. He had an unfair advantage, she thought, noticing that his feet didn't quite touch the stones. Once on the shore, back on the path to the hotel, Clark slipped his arm around her waist and she reciprocated; she tucked her hand under his t-shirt and into the waistband of his jeans. The comfortable pressure of his hand against her hip focussed the arousal of their earlier kiss. It had dissipated with surprise but was beginning to coil back through her with each brush of his thigh against hers, and the warmth of his skin under her hand. She brushed her fingers lightly against him, letting them drift with each shift of denim on his hips as they walked. She could feel the mild shudder that sparked through him at her touch; and knew he could feel the tension creeping through her. The knowledge was always intoxicating, the pleasure they took in each other unabated by time and familiarity. Their pace quickened rapidly until they reached the hotel at last; dusty and warm, a shower seemed like their best idea. They encountered no-one as they fled up the flight of stairs to their room, chasing each other and laughing quietly as they tried to both evade and capture the other. Lois found herself caught against the door, facing Clark and laughing helplessly at the leer that he gave her. Her laughing was swallowed by his mouth, a hard fast kiss as he opened the door behind her. Off balance as it opened, they tumbled through it and only a swift inhuman correction stopped them from falling on the floor. Lois was laughing again as Clark shoved the door shut behind him with one foot. The shower was forgotten for a moment; they settled into a close embrace, still hiccuping with laughter from time to time as they calmed down. Clark floated them across the room to the balcony; the sun was setting on the hills opposite and the morning's heather haze was now a rich copper red as the light bled across the crest of the furthest hills. =93Oh, it's beautiful,=94 sighed Lois. Clark nuzzled the top of her head by way of agreement, dropping a swift kiss there. They watched the sun set as they'd watched the hills light up in the dawn, Lois wrapped in Clark's arms; his hands across her stomach and her fingers playing idly on them. The evening closed out the sounds of the day; all that remained were the sibilant sprinklers playing on the rose garden below and the crickets in the fields beyond. ________________________________________________ Lois woke to that same scent of summer and the sound of her son chattering excitedly; the deeper murmur of Clark's voice was shushing him and telling him to go and put the stars in his room. Stars? Lois wondered. She looked up to see Clark come through the french windows and out onto the balcony. =93Have a good afternoon?=94 he asked, greeting her with a lingering kiss. He'd enjoyed his son's delight in the Planetarium but had still missed Lois' presence. =93Mmm; got the cleaning done and then fell asleep, I think. I had a wonderful daydream,=94 answered Lois, stretching against him as she got up from the chair. =93Are you ok?=94 asked Clark. =93You don't normally fall asleep in the middle of the afternoon. You didn't over-do it with the cleaning, did you? You should have left -=94 His concern was interrupted by Lois' fingers over his mouth. =93I'm fine; I didn't over-do it. I don't know why I was tired, I haven't fallen asleep mid- afternoon like that since ...=94 Her words trailed off as a thought crossed her mind. Clark finished the thought for her. =93... since you were pregnant with Thomas.=94 Written: August 1-3,1999 The title was suggested by Ann - thank you! And thanks to Wendy for checking the PG-ness of this version! Usual disclaimer and copyright acknowledgements. This story, however, is my copyright and is not to be distributed without my permission. Anne _______________________ "Stop this day and night with me, and you shall possess the origin of all = poems; You shall possess the good of the earth and sun" http://www.chantico.com/alastor/fanfic/lnc.shtml _______________________ menolly@chantico.com ICQ #4606146 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:25:52 +0100 Reply-To: menolly@chantico.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Menolly Subject: La Recherche du Dayzs Perdu [1/2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable This story originally appeared in NC-17 format on Zoom's boards and my website - for once in my life, I've managed to write something that can be trimmed for general consumption! Feedback is welcomed with open arms ;) Menolly menolly@chantico.com ________________________________________________ La Recherche du Dayzs Perdu (The Remembrance of Dayzs Past) By Menolly (menolly@chantico.com) Late afternoon sun tinged Metropolis a pale gold; the cityscape merged into itself in the distance, building upon building blending like corn in a Kansas prairie. As the heat haze rose from the asphalt the man-made sea of streets and skyscrapers even seemed to shimmer in waves. As she reined in that train of thought, Lois decided it had obviously been too long since they'd visited Martha and Jonathon; comparing Metropolis to a Kansas prairie was a little too bizarre, no matter how hot the day had been. Still, the sight was beautiful in a way that Metropolis rarely was. Its attractions were usually more hard-edged, tied to the energy of a large city and small moments in time - the crisp colours of an autumn day in Centennial Park; the harbour fragile with ice and frost in a cold winter dawn; children shrieking in the spray of a hydrant in the dog days of summer. This calm summer evening was a rarity to be savoured with the peace and quiet of the apartment behind her. Lois ran her hand through the box hedging the planters on the wall of the balcony; it was carefully clipped into a miniature hedge, with intense green leaves that set off the rambling geraniums behind it. The clipping was Clark's work, the geraniums were hers. One of the few plants that withstood her alternating neglect and enthusiasm, the geraniums added a melange of colour to the view as they sprawled dark red and white; leaves like ivy contrasted with the delicately tiny leaves of box. She let her head drop back, arching her neck and back to let the setting sun warm and relax taut muscles. Cleaning the apartment wasn't a favourite activity, just a necessary one. Today it seemed to have taken more out of her than usual, or perhaps that was just the weather. The humidity of the day had sunk with the sun, leaving a pleasant warmth that Lois intended to enjoy. Clark wouldn't be back for another hour or so - he'd taken Thomas to Metropolis Planetarium; the air-conditioning there was the best in the city. Lois idly wondered how long the queue to get in had been; they couldn't have been the only people to try to escape the weather in the cool darkness of an artificial night sky. An unexpected yawn; Lois blinked in surprise as she realised how tired she was. She settled into one of the chairs on the balcony and picked up the frappucino that she'd set down there on her way to savour at the view; a reward for an tedious task, carefully frozen whilst she worked. The drink was chilled to the point of perfection and the glass sparkled with condensation, leaving a damp ring behind on the wooden table. The first sip carried an unexpected scent, puzzling Lois momentarily until she realised she could smell the fragrance of the leaves of box that she'd trailed her hand through. A delicate scent, indescribable except in memories. It always recalled a summer holiday, years ago, in the north of Portugal; Clark had brought the beginnings of the border back with them that year. It had been so much a part of the holiday. Lois' eyes closed as she drifted into a daydream, half awake and half submerged in recollections. _________________________________________________ _________ Another balcony, an early morning in summer. Colours blended in the dawn light; the hills receded in distance and shade, heather coloured in the rising dew, until they met the fading ink of night in the sky. Below them was a formal garden of twisting low hedges that enclosed compositions of roses and herbs. The night had released a fragrance that the heat of the day would mask. Lois stood, held in Clark's arms, pleasantly drifting still between sleep and waking. The heat of his body against hers kept her from shivering in the cold morning air; the sun wouldn't reach this side of the house for some hours yet and yesterday's warmth was long gone >from the stonework. =93Remind me again why we're up so early?=94 she murmured, her voice definitely still asleep. =93We're going into Oporto; you needed to surround yourself with a city again for a while.=94 Clark's indulgent amusement echoed in his words. There were so many things he loved about Lois but this drowsy, warm, early morning peace she sometimes allowed herself was something special - her voice was sleep-blurred; her body held the warmth of their bed. Just holding her centred him, although it took some effort to maintain that centre when she cuddled against him this way. Lois had let her head rest against his chest and her fingers idly played against the back of his hands, wrapped around her waist. =93Besides, would you want to miss this?=94 he asked. =93Mmmm ... I suppose not. It would look better with coffee, though.=94 Lois smiled, rapidly waking up despite being loathe to let go of the comfort of sleep. The blue-patterned tiles that lined the balcony - walls and floor - were cool under her bare feet; that and the sharp freshness in the air combined to drag her senses >from the embrace of dreams. If she had to wake up, though, this was the way to do it. Held by Clark, secure in ways she would never tire of, to a dawn so beautiful that she would carry the memory of it with her forever. =93Do you want breakfast here or on the terrace?=94 asked Clark; Lois' answer went momentarily astray when he followed the question by placing a fleeting kiss on her shoulder. She turned in his arms, bring her hands up to splay across his chest; a crooked smile acknowledged how easily he could distract her and invited his kiss again. Clark took the invitation, capturing her mouth with his. A long slow kiss, barely moving, just a touch of mouths; then it deepened as Lois responded to the teasing touch of his tongue on her lips. She tasted of mint and something uniquely her own; a flavour which Clark was addicted to, heightened in the cool dawn air by the scent from the garden below. He wanted to bottle it and take it home; it was a scent in which he would always find this moment. Lois pressed closer to Clark, silk and lace too little to provide any real barrier between them; his arms around her, his head lowered to hers, he was everything to her. The sweet invasion of her mouth defined the dawn, a rising arousal burning off the last vestiges of night and sleep. Some distant part of her mind was astonished at the pitiful mewl of protest that slipped out when Clark broke the kiss; where did that noise come from? Wherever it was, Clark seemed aroused and amused in equal parts by it, smiling at her with a banked heat. =93Breakfast, remember? Or would you prefer to stay here ...?=94 Another question, in a deliberately lowered tone; Clark enjoyed watching Lois' reaction, his riposte to the smoke-sultry voice she used to tease him. Lois shuddered, the sound curling up her spine. Staying here seemed to be the best option by far, but she was determined to see something of the area whilst she was here; so far she could describe their room in some detail but not too much else. =93Breakfast. On the terrace.=94 A decision made; no decision really, not if they were to have any chance of going anywhere today. Clark smiled. =93Whatever you want,=94 he said, turning and leading her back through the open doors into the bedroom. Lois felt the touch of his hand on the small of her back, at the shallow point of her spine; a point that fascinated Clark. Every last nerve she possessed seemed to route through that spot, or so it felt. Familiarity hadn't dulled the sensation; Clark ushered her through doors several times a day, always letting his hand brush the small of her back. It had always prompted sparks through her. Lois had once spent some time trying to work out why something that would infuriate her if anyone else had tried it was a pleasure when it was Clark; she was quite capable of navigating through an open door without someone's assistance, thank you very much. In the end, the sparks seemed to be the best reason; her response to him was all that mattered. Clark made her feel more capable, not less, no matter what she was doing. The room was vast, with ceilings so high that they'd found themselves still in mid-air the night before; Lois had had a fit of laughter when she realised she'd become accustomed to bumping into the ceiling whilst they were making love. Her laughter had been infectious, once she'd caught her breath enough to explain to Clark's mock-injured dignity what she was laughing at. They'd landed back on the bed hard enough to knock the breath out of her; Clark's apology had kept them awake and aloft again for some time. Not that the bed was particularly close to the ground; at least a couple of hundred years old, an ornately carved half-poster, it should have been equipped with a step-ladder in Lois' opinion. The sleeping platform was level with her waist; it had taken some long-forgotten gymnastic ability to lever herself up onto it the night they'd arrived. Clark, of course, had no problem and had needed no encouragement when she asked him to help her into bed on the following nights. Lois was a little surprised he'd let her deal with the problem the first night; perhaps he was finally learning to wait until he was asked to help if it wasn't a life- threatening issue. Perversely, she wasn't quite as pleased with that as she would have imagined. The bed was not perhaps the safest thing in the room to think about if they were going to make it downstairs to breakfast. Lois headed for the bathroom, closing the door behind her to shut out Clark's admittedly distracting presence. None of this house was particularly modern; the shower seemed to have come from the 1920's, detailed chrome set in black and white deco tiles, but the water was plentiful and hot. Lois fiddled with the taps, adjusting the temperature to her liking, and settled under the cascade of water with a sigh of contentment. She was on holiday, nothing to do but meander where the mood took her - and Clark. Another sigh, slightly less content. Sometimes she wished he would be more decisive when they were on holiday; simply saying that he was happy to go where she wanted to wasn't particularly helpful. It made Lois feel responsible for his enjoyment of their time off; no matter how often he protested that he wanted only to be with her, that the details of where they were and what they were doing were irrelevant, she still felt that responsibility. Once in a while she'd like just to follow his lead; no matter what oddities lay at the end of it. Maybe she should just tell him ... radical though that that might be; Lois giggled, face scrunched against the pressure of the shower as she lathered her hair with shampoo. She imagined Clark's expression when she voluntarily told him that there was something minor bothering her; no matter how secure she knew their relationship to be, she still had a tendency to hold back things she thought too inconsequential to bother him with. Lois dried herself off, the towel warm and soft against her skin; she absently watched drops of condensation stagger down the mirror as she did so, their random trails mildly hypnotic to someone relaxed by a warm shower. Wrapping a robe around herself, she left the bathroom. Clark was sitting in one of the chairs by the fireplace, reading something. She crept up behind him, amused to see that he was pretending not to notice her approach, and looked over his shoulder. No help there, the book was in ... probably Portuguese, she thought. A drop of water fell from her hair onto Clark's shoulder and he looked up, aimed for a startled look and failed; he laughed instead when Lois' smile quirked wider at his antics. =93My turn? I'll only take a couple of minutes,=94 he said. He was accurate; Lois had barely finished pulling out some clothes from the closet before he returned. she had never worked out quite how he showered that quickly, given that water flows at the same rate no matter what species is standing below it. She glanced involuntarily at her watch when she felt a sudden breeze and a kiss on the back of her neck. =93Good; you can go ahead and get breakfast ordered. I'll have toast, and some fruit ... and coffee!=94 She'd almost forgotten the most important part of breakfast in her attempt not to react; it was an ongoing game, his attempts to find another use of his powers to impress and her effort not to raise an eyebrow - no matter how extreme the stunt. Swift showers she was used to; it was his unerring ability to locate an erogenous zone with an equally swift kiss that tested her acting ability. She wasn't sure if that counted in the game, but it was fun to see if he'd follow up to try and get a reaction. This time he didn't; she felt another shiver of air and turned to see him pulling on a white t- shirt, already wearing black jeans - faded from use and obviously a comfortably snug fit, they were one of her favourite items of his clothing. =93Bread, melon and coffee; got it. See you in a few minutes.=94 Lois got her follow-up after all; a short intense kiss on his way out of the room that left her slightly stunned. It took a moment for her to pull herself back out of the unbidden fantasy that her mind had anticipated and to concentrate on putting a black short-sleeved turtleneck on the right way round. A few minutes it was; dressed and sun-screened, Lois made her way to the terrace. The house they were staying was an solar, an strawberry-gothic ma= nor house built in the late 19th century by an son of the local village who'd = made his money in Brazil. Apparently his wife had taken one look at the place a= nd declared it unfit to live in; it was far too small, they couldn't possibly= raise a family there. Lois had laughed when Clark had recounted this; thei= r room alone was larger than their entire apartment in Metropolis. The house= was built on three floors; the lower servants' quarters were a rabbit warren o= f cellars and dark damp rooms but the upper floors were an exercise in fin-d= e-si =E9cle extravagance - covered in plaster work that depicted a nature too r= ich to be reality, much less the starkly beautiful landscape outside. The halls were hung with tapestries and decorated with artwork; all Portug= uese, mostly contemporary with the house. The house was kept immaculate and care= fully polished, the attention giving an almost living glow to the wear of time; = it had been a hotel ever since the builder's wife had decided it was too smal= l for a family. Lois found Clark at a table outside, sitting in the early morning sun; he'= d thoughtfully picked a table that was half in the sun, half in the shade, t= o give her the choice. Lois ruffled his hair slightly as she moved round him= to reach her seat, choosing to sit in the shade; it was early but already get= ting warm as the dawn haze burnt off from the hills. She'd taken longer than sh= e thought, or the kitchen were well prepared - the table was already set and= breakfast set out. Lois picked up the heavy white china bowl of coffee and= inhaled the steam rising from it with gratitude; she was on holiday and th= is was real coffee. Hot caf=E9 au lait - no, caf=E9 com leite, she remembered= from Clark's patient explanation of the myriad coffee options in the first caf=E9= they had visited - bliss. Clark had already drunk his coffee, she noticed; the attentive waiter was already bringing over another. He'd opted for a .. bi= ca, that was it - small dark and evil, Lois thought was the best description f= or it. Espresso was too mild a term for something that strong. Clark seemed t= o think it was the best coffee he'd ever had, and refused to adulterate it w= ith milk as he did at home; the barista outside the Daily Planet usually had a= latte ready for them both when they arrived at work in the morning. =93What do you want to do in Oporto? =94 asked Clark, =93Any ideas? =94 Perfect opening, thought Lois. =93I hadn't thought about it - what do you want to do? =94 =93I don't mi- =94 Clark's words were cut off abruptly. =93I do mind! =94 Lois reached across to take his hand, =93I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt that bluntly. =94 Clark was still registering surprise at her outburst and she hurried t= o explain. =93It's just that you always say that you don't mind, that you just want to spend time with me. And I like that, I really do; but do you have any idea how much ... stress, I suppose, that puts me under? I have to try and think of things to do, which isn't always easy, but then I end up trying to work out what you'll enjoy and what you won't and ... it's just not very relaxing, Clark.=94 She'd been right; he was surprised that she'd actually told him that something minor was bothering her. Now he understood why she'd been a bit pre-occupied the other day when they'd gone to Braga - he'd left her to decide their route through the cathedral town. When he'd asked if everything was alright, she'd shrugged it off. =93Then ... well, I'd like to visit the Solar do Vinho do Porto - it's a sort of bar where they serve every port wine produced,=94 he explained. =93I didn't think you liked that sort of drink much?=94 asked Lois, curiously. She'd never known him drink anything stronger than wine. =93I don't dislike it, but the bar is in one of the old houses overlooking the river; I've been told it's a nice place to visit,=94 said Clark. =93Other than that, I don't have any particular places I want to go. How about we just wander and see where it takes us?=94 Lois nodded. =93Train or car?=94 was her next question; they'd rented a car but neither of them were particularly enamoured of the local driving technique. The Portuguese seemed to have a second national personality that emerged behind the wheel of a car and scared her more than any MetroCabbie had ever managed to. =93Train, definitely.=94 Clark had briefly thought about suggesting a less conventional method of transport but decided that this was a holiday, and taking things slowly was part of relaxing. Besides, he hadn't brought the suit and wasn't convinced about the feasibility of finding somewhere unobserved to take off and land in an unknown city. =93There's one in about an hour, and the station's five minutes away.=94 Lois smiled; he sometimes took the Boy Scout thing too seriously - always being prepared had its uses, though. They were quiet for a few minutes, eating breakfast. As Lois settled the coffee bowl back on the table, finished, Clark gestured to the gardens below the terrace. =93Want to take a walk?=94 he asked. Lois nodded, taking his hand as they stood. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:36:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? In-Reply-To: <19990909063223.62426.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just finished wriitng a new ST:TNG/L&C crossover story of my own which my brother is editing. I also wanted to express my thanks for my nKerth nomination! I have been blushing for two days now:) My brother is thrilled too!!!!! Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu >That's cool. I like TNG, too :-) I can't wait to read it! > > >>From: Melisma >>Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" >> >>To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >>Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? >>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:36:32 -0700 >> >>StarKitty wrote: >> >On the subject of Odo, it might be interesting to see a Star Trek/LnC >> >crossover :-) >> >>Um, there is a small email round robin group (not the 'official' IRC >>roundrobiners) who are currently doing just this. It's TNG/LnC, not >>DS9/LnC, tho'. And we've had a few technical difficulties recently, so >>we're behind schedule. Um, Kara, if you're on this list, I'm still waiting >>for you to send me the story. Thanks, sis :D >> >>Melisma >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:31:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marnie Rowe Subject: Re: Test teaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yah really, I mentioned for the first time that we as fans of lois and clark have a group nickname and he stared at me bug eyed(quite a trick with the glasses that he wears) and thenhe said YOU ARE KIDDING, right???? so I hear yas :) ---------- > From: LabRat > To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > Subject: Re: Test teaser > Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 7:03 AM > > Erin wrote: > > >ROTFL! But don't worry...if I had a dime for every time my husband rolled > >his eyes at me for talking about some IRC or FoLC friend connection...well, > >you know the drill. Seriously, is there *anybody* here whose > >significant other *doesn't* do the patient but "oh brother" eye-roll thing > >when we get excited about something on the list or on IRC and are eager to > >share it with them? > > > >Erin (who can still remember her husband's shocked look, followed by the > >all-too-familiar eye roll when she asked him to write a program for > >organizing Kerth nominations: "You want me to write a program for WHAT??" > >) > > LOL, Erin! Yes, this is a familiar scenario. Stuart usually gives me his > patented "I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but I agree > absolutely with everything you just said." look. He saves the eye rolling > for when I bounce downstairs and ask him scientific research questions on > Superman > > "So....if there was this big forest fire and Superman spun round really, > really fast and made a mini tornado....would he put it out?" > > "Well....no. But this is SF....you can get away with fudging it a little." > > "Yes, but there has to be *some* basis of reality - even in SF." > > "True." > > "So....if Superman made a mini tornado....would he put it out?" > > "Well.....no. Um...can I go back to sleep now?" > > > > LabRat :) > Doc. Klein's LabRat > labrat@ukf.net > > "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of > General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines > during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. > > "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert > Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:43:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marnie Rowe Subject: Re: Test teaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Marnie Rowe > To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > Subject: Re: Test teaser > Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:31 PM > Oh Phil, chocolate praline?? k what ever you like you got it!! :) > yah really, I mentioned for the first time that we as fans of lois and > clark have a group nickname and he stared at me bug eyed(quite a trick with > the glasses that he wears) and thenhe said YOU ARE KIDDING, right???? so I > hear yas :) > UMM hubby o mine that is, whew I got to stop that. typing slower than I think gets kinda confusing at times... ;) > ---------- > > From: LabRat > > To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Test teaser > > Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 7:03 AM > > > > Erin wrote: > > > > >ROTFL! But don't worry...if I had a dime for every time my husband > rolled > > >his eyes at me for talking about some IRC or FoLC friend > connection...well, > > >you know the drill. Seriously, is there *anybody* here whose > > >significant other *doesn't* do the patient but "oh brother" eye-roll > thing > > >when we get excited about something on the list or on IRC and are eager > to > > >share it with them? > > > > > >Erin (who can still remember her husband's shocked look, followed by > the > > >all-too-familiar eye roll when she asked him to write a program for > > >organizing Kerth nominations: "You want me to write a program for > WHAT??" > > >) > > > > LOL, Erin! Yes, this is a familiar scenario. Stuart usually gives me his > > patented "I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but I > agree > > absolutely with everything you just said." look. He saves the eye rolling > > for when I bounce downstairs and ask him scientific research questions on > > Superman > > > > "So....if there was this big forest fire and Superman spun round really, > > really fast and made a mini tornado....would he put it out?" > > > > "Well....no. But this is SF....you can get away with fudging it a > little." > > > > "Yes, but there has to be *some* basis of reality - even in SF." > > > > "True." > > > > "So....if Superman made a mini tornado....would he put it out?" > > > > "Well.....no. Um...can I go back to sleep now?" > > > > > > > > LabRat :) > > Doc. Klein's LabRat > > labrat@ukf.net > > > > "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of > > General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy > lines > > during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. > > > > "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert > > Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:52:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marnie Rowe Subject: Re: Test teaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Okay tara, teaser is right come on and let the rest of us read what is going to happen!! so far its really good. Marnie bumkin@ibm.net ---------- > From: Tara Smith > To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > Subject: Test teaser > Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 4:32 PM > > I've never written a story for Lois and Clark before, but Nan has managed to > convince me to try it. So, here's my attempt. If you like it, let me know. > If you do, I'll finish it. I don't currently have a title for it, either. > I'm terrible at naming things I've written :-) > > > Maggie Carmichael strolled along the ledge. > She was dressed casually, in jeans and a t-shirt which proclaimed in red > letters �Superman Rules!� on the front and the S-shield on the back. With a > tattered backpack hanging from one shoulder, she was indistinguishable from > any other teenager. Except, of course, for where she was walking. > Maggie glanced down at the street�which just happened to be twenty stories > down. It was busy, even this early in the morning, but she knew there > wasn�t much chance of anyone spotting her from down there�not even Superman, > who she had heard was helping with the aftermath of a monsoon in India. > She�d noticed when she�d gotten to the city the night before that, even > here, in the great city of Metropolis, home to Superman, people seldom�if > ever�looked up. > Finally, she reached her goal�a place near the corner of the building, with > a great view of the Daily Planet�and settled in. She laid her backpack on > the ledge beside her and dangled her feet off the side, staring out over the > city. > The lights in the office beside her came on abruptly, making her jump. > Voices spoke softly, and she concentrated, willing her hearing more acute. > When she could hear the words, she paled, horrified. They wanted to hurt > Superman! He had to be warned! > She stood up carefully, trying hard to stay out of the light coming through > the window. As she did, her foot caught on something hard, which clattered > noisily to one side. She froze, terrified that they had heard her and would > check the ledge, but after a few minutes, nothing happened. The light went > out, and the door closed. > After the door closed, she sighed and relaxed back against the wall. Then > she straightened. Who did she know of who could get this message to > Superman? Slowly, a grin spread across her face. Who else? The two > reporters who got all the exclusives with the superhero, of course. Lois > Lane and Clark Kent! > > > To be continued . . . (maybe) > > > ------------------------------- > > "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: > The Voyage Home > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:45:20 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Irene, I would be happy to proof your French dialogue. Ann Aerm1@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:00:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Questions for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, Ann. I still have to write it though. (g) I'll let you know when I've completed that part. Irene --- "Ann E. McBride" wrote: > Irene, > > I would be happy to proof your French dialogue. > > Ann > > Aerm1@aol.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:23:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Clarissa Kent Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: Great Story! Comments: To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that was a really good first story. (I think everything Lois and Clark is great!) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:33:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Maggie part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01BEFABF.81A19360" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01BEFABF.81A19360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still don't have a real title for this, so any suggestions would be = welcome :-) The Daily Planet building loomed tall before her. Maggie stood in a shadowed doorway across the street from the famous = building. She brushed her hands against her jeans, then straightened her = backpack again. Now that she was actually standing in front of the great = newspaper, well, across the street from it, she suddenly wasn't so sure = that she could pull it off. Thinking about talking to the best known = reporting team in the city-and probably the world-and actually doing it = were two very different things. A screech of tires from up the street jerked her attention from her = worries and back to the present. A white van had just come around the corner. It was weaving erratically = back and forth at high speed. Other cars were swerving frantically in an = attempt to get out of the way. Someone screamed, and someone else yelled = "Superman!" "Lois! Look out!" A woman staggered backwards from between two cars. Maggie caught a = glimpse of a man, but nothing else, as her attention was focussed on the = woman. She didn't even pause to think, but ran forward as fast as she could, = slowing only a little when she grabbed the dark haired woman and moved = her out of the way of the van. She'd built up too much speed for a = sudden stop like she usually used for the safety of her passenger, so = she spun around as she entered the alley beside the Planet building and = crashed backwards into a dumpster. The woman pulled herself to her feet as Maggie shook her head, a little = dazed. She'd have preferred to hit something a little softer, actually, = but, as her mother had always said, beggars can't be choosers. "Are you all right?" the dark-haired woman reached down and gave her a = hand to her feet. She wasn't very tall, even in the heels she was = wearing, and she didn't look as--well--stunned as Maggie had expected. Maggie started to nod, then grimaced when the strap of her backpack = parted at the seam and fell off her shoulder. "Oh, no! Not again!" She turned and bent to pick it up from where it lay at the base of the = now destroyed dumpster. "I hate it when this happens!" She stuffed the strap into a small pouch on the backpack, intending to = fix it later, and looked up to find the woman staring at her. "Um, hi," she said uncertainly. "Are you all right?" "I'm fine. Who are you?" "I'm Maggie . . ." Suddenly she remembered where she'd seen this woman = before. "Oh, Gods! You're Lois Lane, aren't you!" "Yes, I am. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions?" "No! Yes! I can't talk to you!" "Are you sure? I'd only print what you wanted me to." "No interviews! I don't want anyone to know about me!" Lois smiled slightly. "I think a lot of people are going to know about = you now. Superman is too far away to have gotten back quick enough to = save me from the van back there." Maggie took a deep breath to calm herself. "That's why I'm here. I have = some information for Superman. His life is in danger!" ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01BEFABF.81A19360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I still don't have a = real title for=20 this, so any suggestions would be welcome :-)
The Daily Planet building loomed tall before her.

Maggie stood in a shadowed doorway across the street from the famous=20 building. She brushed her hands against her jeans, then straightened her = backpack again. Now that she was actually standing in front of the great = newspaper, well, across the street from it, she suddenly wasn’t so = sure that she=20 could pull it off. Thinking about talking to the best known reporting = team in=20 the city—and probably the world—and actually doing it were = two very different=20 things.

A screech of tires from up the street jerked her attention from her = worries=20 and back to the present.

A white van had just come around the corner. It was weaving = erratically back=20 and forth at high speed. Other cars were swerving frantically in an = attempt to=20 get out of the way. Someone screamed, and someone else yelled = "Superman!"

"Lois! Look out!"

A woman staggered backwards from between two cars. Maggie caught a = glimpse of=20 a man, but nothing else, as her attention was focussed on the woman.

She didn’t even pause to think, but ran forward as fast as she = could, slowing=20 only a little when she grabbed the dark haired woman and moved her out = of the=20 way of the van. She’d built up too much speed for a sudden stop = like she usually=20 used for the safety of her passenger, so she spun around as she entered = the=20 alley beside the Planet building and crashed backwards into a = dumpster.

The woman pulled herself to her feet as Maggie shook her head, a = little=20 dazed. She’d have preferred to hit something a little softer, = actually, but, as=20 her mother had always said, beggars can’t be choosers.

"Are you all right?" the dark-haired woman reached down and gave her = a hand=20 to her feet. She wasn't very tall, even in the heels she was wearing, = and she=20 didn't look as--well--stunned as Maggie had expected.

Maggie started to nod, then grimaced when the strap of her backpack = parted at=20 the seam and fell off her shoulder. "Oh, no! Not again!"

She turned and bent to pick it up from where it lay at the base of = the now=20 destroyed dumpster. "I hate it when this happens!"

She stuffed the strap into a small pouch on the backpack, intending = to fix it=20 later, and looked up to find the woman staring at her.

"Um, hi," she said uncertainly. "Are you all right?"

"I’m fine. Who are you?"

"I’m Maggie . . ." Suddenly she remembered where she’d = seen this woman=20 before. "Oh, Gods! You’re Lois Lane, aren’t you!"

"Yes, I am. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions?"

"No! Yes! I can’t talk to you!"

"Are you sure? I’d only print what you wanted me to."

"No interviews! I don’t want anyone to know about me!"

Lois smiled slightly. "I think a lot of people are going to know = about you=20 now. Superman is too far away to have gotten back quick enough to save = me from=20 the van back there."

Maggie took a deep breath to calm herself. "That’s why = I’m here. I have some=20 information for Superman. His life is in=20 danger!"
------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01BEFABF.81A19360-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:26:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Clarissa Kent Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that Lois and Clark are great! StarKitty wrote: > > Are you going to write a x-over between the two stories? I'd love to read > it, when you do:-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Tull > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 3:03 PM > Subject: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe > > > This is a combined post to the Fans of Lois and Clark > > FanFic List and to the Onelist Seven Days list. I > > figured it would only be fair to include you both > > because I will need both sides to make this happen. > > > > First of all I do not believe I am doing this. This > > post only proves that I am insane and desperate to > > write and be read. > > > > Irene's posting of individual chapters of her story > > sparked this idea, so you can blame her. > > > > The recent thread of discussion about MBs and the > > FanFic list has stirred the creative juices once more > > in the mind of this author-wanna-be and the owner of > > the mind is starting to listen! > > > > But before we get to far.... > > How many of you FOLCs are fans of Seven Days? > > > > How many of you Seven Dayers are fans of Lois and > > Clark: The New Adventures of Superman? > > > > If it is only a handful then I won't bother going any > > further. > > > > But if there is interest.... > > === > > Mr. D8a > > Philipians 4:8 > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:48:35 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Alicia Utowski Subject: A couple of little questions for a fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, I am currently writing a fanfic, and I was wondering if anyone knows how old Lois and Lucy were when Sam and Ellen split up, and how much younger Lucy is than Lois. Thanks, Alicia ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:52:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: A couple of little questions for a fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I don't think they ever said in so many words, but you can figure it out >from other clues. In HIWTHI, Sam say "I'm the father!" and Lois and Ellen chorus: "Not for the last seventeen years!" At that time I think Lois is supposed to be 29, so that would have made her 12 when her father and mother split up. As for the difference in age between Lois and Lucy, I think it was supposed to be about four years, but I'd get a second opinion on that, if I were you, as I'm not completely certain. Nan Alicia Utowski wrote: > Hi guys, I am currently writing a fanfic, and I was wondering if anyone knows > how old Lois and Lucy were when Sam and Ellen split up, and how much younger > Lucy is than Lois. > > Thanks, > Alicia ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:01:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Maggie part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Very nice! Lots of suspense, lots of questions raised. Has someone been taking lessons from her mom? (g) Do you plan on posting these onto the msg boards too? That is also a good avenue for this kind of serialised fanfic. Looking forward to more. Oh, title suggestions - not knowing how this story is going to develop, I do have two suggestions that I'm not sure will fit in with the themes you'll be developing. How about 'Balancing Act' or 'Walking a Fine Line'? These are both references to part one of your story. Irene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:01:37 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Fanfic Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys! Were we ever told the name of the Lois double that Arianna Carlin organised? I don't ever remember there being a name, but someone else might know differently. Thanks! LabRat :) (it's okay, Wendy, it's legit and for Masques, so I'm allowed. ) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:45:17 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: Lois' shopping list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Debby...yes, that's DEBBY, wrote: > [snip] > > >Debbie > > Debby (see email address; I always spell it right there) > Humble apologies. I usually take care to spell people's names right - I don't know what came over me this time. > >suggested: > > > >***Being a closet chocoholic himself (not unlikely given that we saw that > >Kryptonians seem to prefer junk food to pure, wholesome food) (which moms > >viewing must have been upset about when their kids insisted "Well, *Supaman* > >eats Twinkies!"), Superman had only to zip to Clark's apartment and break > into > >the stash of chocolate that he keeps in the box on the floor of his Supersuit > >closet.*** > > > >Nice try, Debbie, > > Debby (see sign off; I always spell it right there) > Hey, no need to rub it in! I've got it right all the other times I've used your name, haven't I? > >but he's kind of cheating if he does this, isn't he? > > Far be it from Clark Kent to cheat about anything... > > I'm not suggesting he never cheats. > >He's decided on impulse to fetch all the things Lois mentions - and she's > clearly > >telling him that she wouldn't expect him to fetch them from their country of > >origin - so he's breaking his own 'rule', if you see what I mean. Not very > >Clark-like, I reckon ;) > > so he rushes to Mexico, the country of origin of Chocolate... > Ah, communication! 'Tis a tricky thing to get right...OK, not the country of origin, the country Lois mentions. > [snip] > > >The question is, how did Clark figure all this out so quickly? > > In theory he can think pretty quickly because he *has* to because he can move > so quickly. By necessity he has to have a fast processor or he'll always run > into things. Couldn't his ability to avoid hitting things when travelling very fast be attributed to instinct more than fast thinking? As in the case of bats, which tend to fly very close to things and then swerve away at the last minute when their 'radar' system detects something too close. >However, during the show, I (and at times only I) found the > *quality* and *results* of his thought processes often quite faulty. I believe > this was due to the difficulty many writers have thinking up things that would > challenge a smart/clever person. > Me included. Yvonne (yconnell@ukf.net) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:53:52 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: OT: SATs and Free Agents MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could pretend this was research for a fanfic, but it's not - it's just shameless curiosity. I've been watching some videos of interviews, and I have two questions: 1) What are SATs, and is a score of 1200 good, average or below average? 2) What on earth is a 'free agent' in American football? You can probably guess who was being interviewed . Yvonne. (who would post this to Zoom's message board instead, but that means waiting until tomorrow to do it from work in my lunch hour, then waiting until Monday to find out the answers) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:06:52 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Pam Jernigan wrote: > > I'm working on it ... The message board readers had to suffer through > > what was basically the first draft of "Fate Worse Than Death" --- not to > > mention the daily cliffhangers as I serialized it. That sort of thing > > is acceptable in that venue, I think, and it's a very encouraging group, > > but I wouldn't dare do that to this list :) > I, too, am puzzled by the reluctance to post daily cliffhangers or first drafts to this list. Why not? Also, Pam, I think you mentioned that the message boards had a smaller audience than the list. How do you know? Maybe all three hundred and twenty-something people on this list also read the message boards. Please don't take this as criticism. It's genuine puzzlement and nothing more. Yvonne (yconnell@ukf.net) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:37:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Donna Burton Subject: Re: OT: SATs and Free Agents Comments: To: yconnell@ukf.net Yvonne, there is a web page at the following URL that explains a bit about the SATs (Scholastic Achievement Tests) which are basically college entrance exams. The URL is: http://www.kaplan.com/precoll/sat_format_scoring.html and at the bottom explains scoring pretty well. A top combined score (math and verbal) is 1600. According to this page (looks like from 1997 or so), the national average is 902. So 1200 would be a bit above average. Donna in Schenectady burtond@union.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:59:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Maggie part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just posted part1 and 2 as one section on the msg board. Thanks for the title suggestions, but they don't quite fit the story. I think I'll just stick with "Maggie" for now :-) Thanks anyways. ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene D. To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Maggie part 2 > Very nice! Lots of suspense, lots of questions raised. Has someone > been taking lessons from her mom? (g) > > Do you plan on posting these onto the msg boards too? That is also a > good avenue for this kind of serialised fanfic. > > Looking forward to more. > > Oh, title suggestions - not knowing how this story is going to develop, > I do have two suggestions that I'm not sure will fit in with the themes > you'll be developing. How about 'Balancing Act' or 'Walking a Fine > Line'? These are both references to part one of your story. > > Irene > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:16:32 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Fanfic Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/09/1999 4:04:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, labrat@UKF.NET writes: << Were we ever told the name of the Lois double that Arianna Carlin organised? >> Nope --laurie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:40:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eileen Barnard Subject: Re: Lois' Name MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jocelyn It is certainly appropriate - my sister is named Lois and if you had her and Lois Lane in the same room - you would swear they were the same person. We always thought the meaning of the name Lois suited my sister when we looked it up and it certainly suits Lois Lane. Regards EileenB ----- Original Message ----- From: Jocelyn R Hoffman To: Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 9:04 AM Subject: Lois' Name > I was reading the other day and I found that the name 'Lois' means > "famous warrior-maid". Hmm, doesn't that seem appropriate! > ~Jocelyn > === > Jocelyn R Hoffman > dreaminglight@yahoo.com > ICQ # 17261915 <>< > > "You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a lub." -- Jack London > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:35:18 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Fanfic Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ><< Were we ever told the name of the Lois double that Arianna Carlin >organised? >> > >Nope > >--laurie Thanks, Laurie! Didn't think so, but it always pays to check. ;) Okay....that means I can make it up as I go along then. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:08:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: YNK and Seven Days In-Reply-To: <37D6FCBE.342F9924@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HI Sandy:) > >Carolyn Schnall wrote: >> >> This is a very interesting thread and Sandy's take is terrific. I think I >> posed questions about this in my NK arc ep thoughts. Perhaps the Els were >> taking a stand that they did not want Kal to be with Zara afterall. Or, >> even more in line with the timeline as I percieve it, Zara's family broke >> the tradition first by taking Zara away to NK? >> >> I apologize if I have been redundant here and I was amused that we were >> suddenly discussing Odo:) >> >> Thanks, >> Carolyn >> cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu > >Carolyn: > >Why thank you. Being taken terrifically is fun, isn't it? ;) > You're welcome, and yes, it is:) >Anyway, I have to apologize. I can't remember what you posted re the NK >arc; however, the argument you raise is exactly the one I question. >Would the Els risk their son's life -- even more than they might have to >-- in order to *just* make a political point? I can see the results of >their decision to send him to Earth being a side benefit, i.e., Clark >being raised by such wonderful parents in a supposedly meritorious, >democratic society. But, I would suggest that their decision ultimately >rested on what actions they could take which would have the best chance >of saving his *physical* life, with every other consideration coming >second. After all, as the saying goes, where there's life there's hope, >and no one can predict the future. > No apologies necessary since I doubt I got any where near as deeply into a good discussion as you did:) If you want the post, let me know:) I agree with you again, since the Kents finding him was just a fortunate happenstance. Then I wondered why the NKers were so sure they needed him to come to their political rescue? Why did they not find their own solution just as CK did in the end? I also wondered how they knew where to find him, since he was sent away just before the planet died. I presumed >from that the NKers left earlier, so the Zara was sent away first. Or, did the ELs make sure he "missed the boat" on purpose and he was supposed to go with them? >Even if Kal-El had been sent to NK with the prospect looming in the >future of becoming Zara's mate and being a part of an aristocracy they >didn't support, his parents couldn't be certain that that is what would >have happened nor that he wouldn't have cared for Zara. Who knows? If >Clark had been raised with the NKs, he may still have questioned the >system he was living under and rebelled. And, perhaps he, Zara, and the >other New Kryptonians would have set up a different societal structure >under *his* influence. (Makes you wonder what Kal-El's absence, in the >grand scheme of things, cost the New Kryptonians.) That's why I brought >up the matter of a death threat hanging over his head if he had been >sent with the colonists -- or some other inpenetrable barrier to his >going there which would have been more immediate and dire, requiring a >radical solution such as a gamble on Earth. > I tend to agree with you again and again and again. Keep it coming:) Great discussion, great questions, great thoughts:) >Sandy >smcdermin@erols.com Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:10:53 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: Maggie part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit StarKitty, I'm enjoying your story - you are writing well - please continue merry truitt22@flash.net StarKitty wrote: > I just posted part1 and 2 as one section on the msg board. > Thanks for the title suggestions, but they don't quite fit the story. I > think I'll just stick with "Maggie" for now :-) Thanks anyways. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Irene D. > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 1:01 PM > Subject: Re: Maggie part 2 > > > Very nice! Lots of suspense, lots of questions raised. Has someone > > been taking lessons from her mom? (g) > > > > Do you plan on posting these onto the msg boards too? That is also a > > good avenue for this kind of serialised fanfic. > > > > Looking forward to more. > > > > Oh, title suggestions - not knowing how this story is going to develop, > > I do have two suggestions that I'm not sure will fit in with the themes > > you'll be developing. How about 'Balancing Act' or 'Walking a Fine > > Line'? These are both references to part one of your story. > > > > Irene > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:57:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: OT: SATs and Free Agents Comments: To: Yvonne Connell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:53 PM 9/9/99 +0100, Yvonne Connell wrote: >1) What are SATs, and is a score of 1200 good, average or below average? Scholastic Assessment Tests (SAT) are college entrance tests for most Eastern colleges. Western colleges usually use the ACT. A 1200 is good compared with all students taking the test. (As I recall, a student with that score is in the 80th+ percentile.) However, it's low for students entering the most exclusive colleges (the Ivy League, Princeton and Harvard among them). In 1995, the average SAT for students entering the Ivy League was about 1340. Then again, many students bound for the Ivy League colleges take courses designed to raise their SAT scores and take the test repeatedly until their score is high enough. Dean didn't do any of that, but his SAT score exceeded the minimum requirement for almost all scholarships and even the most exclusive universities. >2) What on earth is a 'free agent' in American football? A free agent is someone who wasn't "drafted" by one of the major league teams. Being drafted means that that team gets the player, who can't go anywhere else, even if the team that drafted him is a real dog. A free agent can apply anywhere, but he has to try out (like actors for a TV series) and if the coach likes his performance, he joins the team. However, that still doesn't mean he'll make the team. During preseason, teams start with large rosters of players and have to cut them down to some set number (59?) by the time regular season opens. A lot of free agents get cut during that time. Dean's record for most interceptions in a single season still stands (I think someone may have tied it this year, but took more games to do so, so Dean is still the record-holder), but he wasn't playing against the big league schools (Big 10, Pac 10, etc.) who recruit the best high school players in the country, and that's why he wasn't drafted, despite his impressive defensive ability. Sheila sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:19:12 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Alicia Utowski Subject: Re: OT: SATs and Free Agents MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/9/1999 6:57:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes: << In 1995, the average SAT for students entering the Ivy League was about 1340. Then again, many students bound for the Ivy League colleges take courses designed to raise their SAT scores and take the test repeatedly until their score is high enough. Dean didn't do any of that, but his SAT score exceeded the minimum requirement for almost all scholarships and even the most exclusive universities. >> I dont think that is right. I got exactly 1340 on my SAT the only time I took it, and never took any classes, but I don't go to an ivy league school either. I know that having a 1200, it would be easy to get into Case Western Reserve (where I go to school), but there is no way he would get a scholarship of any kind here. Plus I only just barely recieved a half-tution scholarship with my SAT score. (I got the larger one that I have because of my ACT score (schools in the midwest like ACT better for some reason))... Anyways, what I am trying to say is that Dean would NOT have gotten any kind of scholarship here for his SAT test, and the admissions people might not have even let him in. At case the mean score is about 1300, so he would have been on the very bottom rung. No offense Dean :-) Alicia ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:19:16 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: kubitc Subject: Re: OT: SATs and Free Agents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >===== Original Message From "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" ===== >At 08:53 PM 9/9/99 +0100, Yvonne Connell wrote: >>1) What are SATs, and is a score of 1200 good, average or below average? > >Scholastic Assessment Tests (SAT) are college entrance tests for most >Eastern colleges. Western colleges usually use the ACT. A 1200 is good >compared with all students taking the test. (As I recall, a student with >that score is in the 80th+ percentile.) However, it's low for students >entering the most exclusive colleges (the Ivy League, Princeton and Harvard >among them). In 1995, the average SAT for students entering the Ivy League >was about 1340. Then again, many students bound for the Ivy League colleges >take courses designed to raise their SAT scores and take the test repeatedly >until their score is high enough. Dean didn't do any of that, but his SAT >score exceeded the minimum requirement for almost all scholarships and even >the most exclusive universities. Except that in 1995, the people who run the SAT decided to "recenter" the scores, which means they added points. So someone could miss a question on a section (either math or verbal) and still get an 800 in that section. (The test is composed of a math section and a verbal section, each worth 800 points.) For that matter, they could miss a question in each section and still get a 1600. Needless to say, this irked many, like me, who graduated in '96 but took the SAT before the scores were recentered; it meant that my non-recentered score was being compared to my classmates' recentered ones. So Dean's score of a 1200 would actually be higher if translated to compare to the current recentered scores. -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:56:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: OT: SATs and Free Agents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:19 PM 9/9/99 EDT, Alicia Utowski wrote: >I dont think that is right. I got exactly 1340 on my SAT the only time I >took it, and never took any classes, but I don't go to an ivy league school >either. I know that having a 1200, it would be easy to get into Case Western >Reserve (where I go to school), but there is no way he would get a >scholarship of any kind here. Sorry, Alicia, I wasn't clear. What I meant is that many (private as well as school-sponsored) scholarships have a minimum SAT score requirement (which used to be about 1100 back in the 70's :) for someone even to apply for them. Having that score certainly didn't guarantee a scholarship--in fact, Dean mentioned that he didn't have any scholarship at all at Princeton--but it was necessary to have a score at least that high before applying. >the admissions people might not >have even let him in. At case the mean score is about 1300, so he would have >been on the very bottom rung. But Princeton *did* let him in. Between his SAT scores, his high school grades, and his activities, he sounded like a good risk to them--and he was, since he graduated 4 years later. Also, just because the mean average is 1340 (or 1300 in your school's case) doesn't mean that 1200 is the bottom rung. Many people with lower scores get into very good schools for other reasons than their SAT results :) Sheila sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:20:44 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: To write or not to write that is the question... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You sure have a lot of time on your hands! Hee hee.. But i should talk.. Me being "Ms. all i do all day is write fanfic and watch LnC on tv before i go back to college in a couple of weeks." Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:30:47 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: A couple of little questions for a fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You were right in saying that Lois was 12 because I happened to watch "Season's Greedings," yesterday afternoon and Lois said that during the first Christmas since her parents broke up, she was 12 years old. {I hope that just made sense} Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:32:17 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: OT: SATs and Free Agents MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/9/99 8:57:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes: << But Princeton *did* let him in. Between his SAT scores, his high school grades, and his activities, he sounded like a good risk to them--and he was, since he graduated 4 years later. Also, just because the mean average is 1340 (or 1300 in your school's case) doesn't mean that 1200 is the bottom rung. Many people with lower scores get into very good schools for other reasons than their SAT results :) >> Absolutely! After about 1100, the differences in SAT scores shrink considerably. It doesn't take a lot of wrong answers to go from 1600 to 1100. As for the "recentering" a 1600 is now the score awarded to the student who missed the fewest questions on a particular test day. A student at the school where I teach missed 4 questions last year and still got 1600. As for being accepted, while some colleges may base their admissions decisions primarily on test scores, in my experience most of the selective schools do what Sheila said and look at the whole picture. With his credentials, Dean would have been accepted at almost any college in the country. As the director of admissions at a prestigious liberal arts college once told me, "We don't really want too many geeks with 1600s." They like those smart kids who can catch footballs. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:50:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Archive? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:30 AM -0400 9/9/99, No Name Available wrote: >As a lot of you know, I am currently working on my first fanfic. i >eventually want to post it to some fanfic list. This got me to thinking how >a fanfic can eventually end up on the archieve list. I mean the archieve >list that has S5, S6, themes, Kerth's etc.. you know what i mean right? Can >one just send it there, or do you have to go through a process or something? Alexis, To get a story on the L&C Fanfic Archive, you need to submit the story to us directly. Posting a story here on the fanfic listserv is not the same thing. Authors should submit their completed work to . Before submission, we ask that you have thoroughly spell-checked your story, and if possible, have had at least one or two personal editors look it over. This pre-editing is not mandatory but, especially for a new fanfic writer, I think it is always a good idea. Another FoLC can give you an opinion on whether you have characterization and continuity correct, and that your story makes sense. How to get a FoLC to read your story? Easy; just post a request to this listserv or the MBs asking for some, or simply post the story itself and ask for feedback from everyone. :) When you do submit the story, you should save it as Text Only (no word processing files ... remove all smart quotes and fancy fonts). Always put the title of your story in your email's subject line, and, if you are sending it via attachment, make sure the attached file is a short version of your title as well. (You would not believe how many emails I get labeled "my fanfic" with the attachment called "story.txt".) If you are sending the story in parts, label each part with the title and part number (Camping with Clark, part 1/2). Once we get the fanfic, it will be assigned to one of our staff General Editors (GEs). The GE will read the story for any typos or punctuation mistakes, and will make sure it is rated G, PG or PG13 (the only ratings we accept). The GE will also write a short description for the Archive if one is not already written. The GE will contact you with any suggested changes/edits, and will ask you to either make those changes or approve the GE to make them for you. Once the story is completely finished, it will be uploaded to the Archive. All of this information can be found on the FAQ section of the Fanfic Archive. Good luck with your story, and let me know if you have any questions I didn't answer. Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive <----- please note new URL! :) kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:18:43 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Archive? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Kathy, for the info. I actually have 2 editors. Both are from the LOISCLA list and one of those authors is a sport's editor for a newspaper. Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:39:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Explaining the Implausible (was YNK and Seven Days) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carolyn Schnall wrote: > >Anyway, I have to apologize. I can't remember what you posted re the NK > >arc; however, the argument you raise is exactly the one I question. > >Would the Els risk their son's life -- even more than they might have to > >-- in order to *just* make a political point? I can see the results of > >their decision to send him to Earth being a side benefit, i.e., Clark > >being raised by such wonderful parents in a supposedly meritorious, > >democratic society. But, I would suggest that their decision ultimately > >rested on what actions they could take which would have the best chance > >of saving his *physical* life, with every other consideration coming > >second. After all, as the saying goes, where there's life there's hope, > >and no one can predict the future. > > > > No apologies necessary since I doubt I got any where near as deeply into a > good discussion as you did:) If you want the post, let me know:) > > I agree with you again, since the Kents finding him was just a fortunate > happenstance. Then I wondered why the NKers were so sure they needed him > to come to their political rescue? What I wonder is what would have happened if Clark hadn't been found by the Kents? What if another person had been driving by -- someone a lot less nice? Say Clark was taken in by a family with an abusive, alcoholic father and/or someone who used Clark more like a farm hand than a son and/or he had a step sibling who was jealous of him. (You know, Cinderella Clark.) Perhaps the young Clark was found crying by Martha and/or Jonathan and they invite him home for cookies and buttermilk. They suspect he's being abused, but can't do anything about it. Clark dreams of living with the nice couple who have become his friends. Before you know it, the Kents are in court fighting to get the boy. Little do they know his "adoptive" parents have no papers, no way of explaining where they got him. The local authorities begin investigating, the state is called in.... > Why did they not find their own > solution just as CK did in the end? I also wondered how they knew where to > find him, since he was sent away just before the planet died. I presumed > from that the NKers left earlier, so the Zara was sent away first. Or, did > the ELs make sure he "missed the boat" on purpose and he was supposed to go > with them? It's a real brain teaser, isn't it? It's like a mystery. You're presented with a set of circumstances and must figure out how the characters got to that point. How did these events evolve? One of the things I've discovered about fanfic is how much fun it is trying to explain the implausible, making it seem very plausible. It's especially difficult because everyone knows the characters and how the story *should* go, but the challenge is to show how it *could* go. For instance, I once had an idea for an L&C story and I presented it to a few folc friends. No one liked it because the characters were going to be in situations people didn't expect, and I agreed that it was a little bit of a gamble. But, if I had written it, the challenge would have been to try and create a set of circumstances where it would have been quite believeable. I never began the story, but I had a title for it. (For good or bad, one thing that's always come easy for me are the titles; everything else is a struggle.) Anyway, the story would have been called, "Comforting Lois Lane." If I only had a clone, she could write it. Sandy smcdermin@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:05:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Explaining the Implausible (was YNK and Seven Days) In-Reply-To: <37D86F67.79683BC0@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:39 PM -0400 9/9/99, Sandy McDermin wrote: > Say Clark was taken in by a family with an abusive, >alcoholic father and/or someone who used Clark more like a farm hand >than a son and/or he had a step sibling who was jealous of him. > Before you know it, the Kents are in court fighting to get the >boy. Little do they know his "adoptive" parents have no papers, no way >of explaining where they got him. The local authorities begin >investigating, the state is called in.... Read Mobile Richard's "Life In A Different World", uploaded to the Archive in late July. It's got a lot of the same elements you just described above. He writes some really interesting stuff. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:09:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yvonne Connell wrote: > > > Pam Jernigan wrote: > > > > I'm working on it ... The message board readers had to suffer through > > > what was basically the first draft of "Fate Worse Than Death" --- not to > > > mention the daily cliffhangers as I serialized it. That sort of thing > > > is acceptable in that venue, I think, and it's a very encouraging group, > > > but I wouldn't dare do that to this list :) > > > > I, too, am puzzled by the reluctance to post daily cliffhangers or first > drafts to this list. Yvonne, you're making me feel like I'm not a total reject. Thank you. My own personal opinion is, if there were more fanfic of the type I've seen on the boards posted here, along with the accompanying discussions, there would be a lot less off topic posts on the fanfic list. People get bored and restless. They want to see that creative process. They want to participate. They want to feel included. They want to feel like ... they're loved. But, you don't ... do you? You don't really ... love us. You're seeing another fanfic venue behind our backs! > Why not? Very good question. Frankly, when I first visited the boards, I didn't expect to see much more than I was getting on the fanfic list. Why would it be different? It's the same people. The same feelings about the process, right? Well, au contraire. There was a plethora of fic being posted -- all in draft form, all in progress, all warmly welcoming commentary of all types. There was -- dare I say it -- criticism. There was even a bit of ... editing. I was shocked! Shocked I say! Why are they not taking umbrage with each other?! Why are they not trading tense e-mails full of hurt and pain and angst and torrid, smoldering, heated, sweaty..?! Whew! > When > Also, Pam, I think you mentioned that the message boards had a smaller > audience than the list. How do you know? Maybe all three hundred and > twenty-something people on this list also read the message boards. It *is* the same audience. So, if someone's making constructive criticisms on your fic on the message boards, we're ALL gonna see it. Ha! Ha! Ha! > Please don't take this as criticism. It's genuine puzzlement and nothing > more. > > Yvonne > (yconnell@ukf.net) Yes, genuine. Sandy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:23:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Explaining the Implausible (was YNK and Seven Days) In-Reply-To: <37D86F67.79683BC0@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Um, Sandy, what would I have to bribe you with in order to get you to write this story? It sounds interesting to me. Also the idea of Cinderella Clark... I would read both of them :D Melisma ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > [snip] ...I once had an idea for an L&C story and I presented it to a >few folc friends. No one liked it because the characters were going to >be in situations people didn't expect, and I agreed that it was a little >bit of a gamble. But, if I had written it, the challenge would have >been to try and create a set of circumstances where it would have been >quite believeable. I never began the story, but I had a title for it. >(For good or bad, one thing that's always come easy for me are the >titles; everything else is a struggle.) Anyway, the story would have >been called, "Comforting Lois Lane." > >If I only had a clone, she could write it. > >Sandy >smcdermin@erols.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:32:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: Explaining the Implausible (was YNK and Seven Days) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy Brown wrote: > > At 10:39 PM -0400 9/9/99, Sandy McDermin wrote: > > Say Clark was taken in by a family with an abusive, > >alcoholic father and/or someone who used Clark more like a farm hand > >than a son and/or he had a step sibling who was jealous of him. > > > Before you know it, the Kents are in court fighting to get the > >boy. Little do they know his "adoptive" parents have no papers, no way > >of explaining where they got him. The local authorities begin > >investigating, the state is called in.... > > Read Mobile Richard's "Life In A Different World", uploaded to the Archive > in late July. It's got a lot of the same elements you just described > above. He writes some really interesting stuff. > > Kathy I did read that story. Forgot about it, though. All I could remember was the adult part of it rather than the cause of Clark problems which was all I was really thinking about. Well, great. It's been done, and I don't have to think about it anymore.:) Sandy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:55:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: Explaining the Implausible (was YNK and Seven Days) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Melisma wrote: > > Um, Sandy, what would I have to bribe you with in order to get you to write > this story? It sounds interesting to me. Also the idea of Cinderella Clark... > I would read both of them :D > > Melisma Would read it, Melisma? Who knows, I probably have! Sandy > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [snip] ...I once had an idea for an L&C story and I presented it to a > >few folc friends. No one liked it because the characters were going to > >be in situations people didn't expect, and I agreed that it was a little > >bit of a gamble. But, if I had written it, the challenge would have > >been to try and create a set of circumstances where it would have been > >quite believeable. I never began the story, but I had a title for it. > >(For good or bad, one thing that's always come easy for me are the > >titles; everything else is a struggle.) Anyway, the story would have > >been called, "Comforting Lois Lane." > > > >If I only had a clone, she could write it. > > > >Sandy > >smcdermin@erols.com > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:01:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Explaining the Implausible (was YNK and Seven Days) In-Reply-To: <37D8811D.97C7018D@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah, but I'd like to read *your* take on them... Mel ------------------------------------- At 11:55 PM 9/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >Melisma wrote: >> >> Um, Sandy, what would I have to bribe you with in order to get you to write >> this story? It sounds interesting to me. Also the idea of Cinderella Clark... >> I would read both of them :D >> >> Melisma > >Would read it, Melisma? Who knows, I probably have! > >Sandy > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > [snip] ...I once had an idea for an L&C story and I presented it to a >> >few folc friends. No one liked it because the characters were going to >> >be in situations people didn't expect, and I agreed that it was a little >> >bit of a gamble. But, if I had written it, the challenge would have >> >been to try and create a set of circumstances where it would have been >> >quite believeable. I never began the story, but I had a title for it. >> >(For good or bad, one thing that's always come easy for me are the >> >titles; everything else is a struggle.) Anyway, the story would have >> >been called, "Comforting Lois Lane." >> > >> >If I only had a clone, she could write it. >> > >> >Sandy >> >smcdermin@erols.com >> > >> > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:27:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cynthia Haste Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy McDermin wrote: > Yvonne Connell wrote: > > > > > Pam Jernigan wrote: I vote we start nagging Tank to post to this list. With the archive backed up it might be weeks before some of the stories he's posted to the boards will come out. His stuff is amazing, and I'd be more than happy to read it on the message boards, the list and then again when it comes out on the archives. Since he's posted several completed pieces to Zoomway's fanfic board, the only reason the list would have to suffer the cliffhanger effect is if he chose to feed the stories to the list in the same parts he did to the board. Those of us who've already read the stories can sit back and giggle as those who have not go through the same pleading, begging, threatening routine we did while we waited for the next part. Doesn't Tank have a fan club president out there somewhere? Use your influence Melisma, I'm sure he'd listen to you. Wendy, you got Irene to post S&S earlier than she had planned, start in on Tank. (But don't forget Irene, I already warned her I was going to enlist your aid if she doesn't finish S&S up soon). Uh... Irene, O Great Editor, don't read that last part. (I was going to discretely enlist Wendy's aid so Irene doesn't slash and burn the epic I laid on her to edit) Cautiously removing scissors and red pen from the beleaguered Irene's hand, Cindy adds to Irene's list of things to do and requests she aid in nagging Tank also. After we finish with Tank, let's talk about Jeff. Cindy (heading off to the fanfic board even as she types.) -- Solitude is fine, but you need someone to tell you that solitude is fine. - Honore de Balzac The Rules of Chocolate: If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too slowly. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:37 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Phillip Atcliffe Subject: Re: Fanfic Question In-Reply-To: <000b01befafe$3fbc6120$c09501d4@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:01:37 +0100 LabRat wrote: > Were we ever told the name of the Lois double that Arianna Carlin organised? I don't ever remember there being a name, but someone else might know differently. < Dunno if it's canon or not (I'm at work, so my L&C tapes are some miles away ), but Kari Urberg calls her "Andrea Mason" in her story "Requiem". The name seems (very) vaguely familiar -- didn't L&C discover that someone had been made into the double? Anyway, good luck with the story. Phil ------------------------------------------------------------ "I think... I think I am! | I think _I_ am: Therefore I am... I think?" | Phil Atcliffe -- The Moody Blues | (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:10:47 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Combo Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy wrote: >I did read that story. Forgot about it, though. All I could remember >was the adult part of it rather than the cause of Clark problems which >was all I was really thinking about. Well, great. It's been done, and >I don't have to think about it anymore.:) > Now, Sandy. Just because someone touched on the subject doesn't mean you wouldn't bring something fresh to the idea. Tsk. Died in the wool, old hand fanfic writer that you are, I shouldn't have to mention this, now should I? There's also a trilogy of stories that I remember reading way back in which Clark is found not by the Kents but by the Luthors and brought up as a half brother to Lex. They're called Brothers, Luthor's Legacy and Cousins and they're by someone called SkipD. I read them a long time back and can't remember any plot details though. I *think* I downloaded them from the archive, but I'm not certain. Margaret Brignall also touched on the 'bouncing around' aspect and abusive foster parents with her alt. Clark in her Only You series. Though I can't recall how deepy she explored the theme. Sorry if these have already been mentioned - I'm belatedly catching up with this thread. Re: the subject of boards/list posting. I'll confess to being a lazy tyke myself and enjoying mail that comes to me instead of having to be hunted. (I'd have lasted 2 weeks as a caveperson. I'd have been sitting in the cave entrance with a handful of millet going, "Here, bison, bison....") But I do enjoy visiting Zoom's boards too, where I've long since given up on others as just too much hassle. (Not to mention downloading time on my fragile phone bill ;). Since Zoom set up the new set, with everything handily there in the one spot, and in such an easy to find your way around format (I love the little folder that highlights to let you know a topic has updated since you were last there ), they've had a real revival. It's pretty lively over there. And fun. I don't know why some writers prefer to post over there and resist posting here, but one reason may be that a lot of them are new and that the boards do have a more intimate feel to them. You have no idea how many people are out there reading for one thing and 99% of board readers seem to lurk. As a result you get a dedicated - small - band of regulars who post feedback. So it's easy to imagine, if you desire, that you're posting to a small group of close friends and that probably seems less daunting, I would imagine. Also, there isn't a lot - if any - criticism there, I have to say. Not that any of the writers I've seen there so far need any, I hasten to add! > Hey, Phil! Thanks for the answer. I did remember Andrea Mason, but I was sure that she was a creation of the author. All that I remember in the episode was Superman asking who she was and her reply was something along the lines of "Just someone who was in the right place at the right time." I think Arianna always refers to her as Lois. Darn. Have to sketch in time to go rewatch, I think. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:39:41 GMT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yael Kfir Subject: Happy New Year! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed To all of you who celebrate Rosh Ha'shana - Happy new year! (Don't eat too much at your family dinner! Too much Gefilte Fish might cause temporal blindness! Consider yourself warned!) And to those of you who don't, well - have a nice weekend! :c) Yael. -------------------------------------- It's not an easy job being a princess, but sombody's got to do it! -------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:41:09 +1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: jem Subject: Re: Combo Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone help me to get onto Zoom's boards. I've forgotten how :( Pleeeeze? jem (who really needs less RL to cope with) ----- Original Message ----- From: LabRat To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 7:10 PM Subject: Combo Post > Sandy wrote: > > But I do enjoy visiting Zoom's boards too, where I've long since given up on > others as just too much hassle. (Not to mention downloading time on my > fragile phone bill ;). Since Zoom set up the new set, with everything > handily there in the one spot, and in such an easy to find your way around > format (I love the little folder that highlights to let you know a topic has > updated since you were last there ), they've had a real revival. It's > pretty lively over there. And fun. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:37:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Phillip Atcliffe Subject: Re: Combo Post In-Reply-To: <000401befb6e$31e4b8c0$bd9001d4@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:10:47 +0100 the one and only LabRat wrote: > Re: the subject of boards/list posting. I'll confess to being a lazy tyke myself and enjoying mail that comes to me instead of having to be hunted. (I'd have lasted 2 weeks as a caveperson. I'd have been sitting in the cave entrance with a handful of millet going, "Here, bison, bison....") < But what would you _do_ with a Myasishchev jet bomber in a cave? Oh, you mean the _animal_.... Actually, the mention of millet seed always reminds me of Bob Hudson's great satirical work, "Jonathan Livingston Budgerigar" -- and _he_ starved to death! > But I do enjoy visiting Zoom's boards too, where I've long since given up on others as just too much hassle. (Not to mention downloading time on my fragile phone bill ;). < Have you considered one of the new deals that are supposed to give you free calls to your ISP if you sign up with a related phone company? I'm giving one of them a try -- or will, as soon as my phone gets switched >from BT -- as part of the process of _finally_ getting on-line at home as well as at work. (Apologies to non-Brits here. Unfortunately, we have to live with rapacious phone charges, even for local calls, and it's a big stumbling block for people over here who want to use the net.) > I don't know why some writers prefer to post over there and resist posting here [...] < With me, it's the other way around. I didn't find the new improved boards until very recently, and I doubt I'll ever post a work in progress to them -- mostly because that's not how I write. I envy those authors who can imitate C.S. Forrester by starting at the beginning of a story and writing straight through to the end, but I don't work like that. I may well write the opening of a given story before anything else, but don't count on it. I'm just as likely to start with a scene that was the inspiration for the story (I generally want to get it down so that I don't forget the details), or even a number of them, and then I back up and fill in the gaps. This does not make for the ability to post early drafts until they are complete -- in which case, I'd send them off to the archive and/or post them here. > Hey, Phil! Thanks for the answer. Sorright! BTW, my fine furry Rat (it's that special cheese of Bernie's that does it, n'est-ce pas?), are you FFAFFing next month? Phil ------------------------------------------------------------ Gravity is a Downer... So let's go flying! -- so sayeth Phil Atcliffe (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:38:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Cynthia Haste wrote: > Sandy McDermin wrote: > > > Yvonne Connell wrote: > > > > > > > Pam Jernigan wrote: > > I vote we start nagging Tank to post to this list. > With the archive backed up it > might be weeks before some of the stories he's > posted to the boards will come > out. His stuff is amazing, and I'd be more than > happy to read it on the message > boards, the list and then again when it comes out on > the archives. > > Since he's posted several completed pieces to > Zoomway's fanfic board, the only > reason the list would have to suffer the cliffhanger > effect is if he chose to feed > the stories to the list in the same parts he did to > the board. Those of us who've > already read the stories can sit back and giggle as > those who have not go through > the same pleading, begging, threatening routine we > did while we waited for the > next part. > > Doesn't Tank have a fan club president out there > somewhere? Use your influence > Melisma, I'm sure he'd listen to you. Wendy, you > got Irene to post S&S earlier > than she had planned, start in on Tank. (But don't > forget Irene, I already warned > her I was going to enlist your aid if she doesn't > finish S&S up soon). Uh... > Irene, O Great Editor, don't read that last part. > (I was going to discretely > enlist Wendy's aid so Irene doesn't slash and burn > the epic I laid on her to > edit) Cautiously removing scissors and red pen from > the beleaguered Irene's hand, > Cindy adds to Irene's list of things to do and > requests she aid in nagging Tank > also. LOL! Cindy, you'll be glad to hear that my muse decided to pay me another visit last night, and I actually started to make some progress on S&S. It's kind of hard though. I'm feeling equally inspired by my collaboration with Wendy, and another fic that I'm working on. (I work on this one for a while, move to that one, and then to the other one!) And I would never slash and burn your story; it's too good for that. > > After we finish with Tank, let's talk about Jeff. I agree, it's nice to have the masculine contingent well represented. Irene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:49:54 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") In-Reply-To: <19990910123814.3131.rocketmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII *Someone* (there were so many names on this email, and I never received the originals!) wrote: > > I vote we start nagging Tank to post to this list. I think, actually, that Tank isn't on this list. > > His stuff is amazing I agree totally. He's written some sweet vignettes, but there are two stories of his which leave me gasping because of their audacity. In each, he takes a scenario which would appal most FOLCs (a very serious WHAM) but deals with it so sensitively, and in such a WAFFy way, that it turns into a wonderful story and one which leaves the reader with hope for the future (if that makes sense) > > Wendy, you > > got Irene to post S&S earlier > > than she had planned I know... but we haven't heard anything from Irene since, have we? Where are Parts 9 and 10, my esteemed co-author? As for Tank, he is sending his work to the Archive (some is already in the editing process) so if we can't get him to post here, you shouldn't have too long a wait. I believe his editor (for a couple of the stories, at any rate) has a reputation as a fast worker.... Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:01:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wendy Richards wrote: > *Someone* (there were so many names on this email, > and I never > received the originals!) wrote: > > > > I vote we start nagging Tank to post to this > list. > > I think, actually, that Tank isn't on this list. > > > > > His stuff is amazing > > I agree totally. He's written some sweet vignettes, > but there are two > stories of his which leave me gasping because of > their audacity. In > each, he takes a scenario which would appal most > FOLCs (a very > serious WHAM) but deals with it so sensitively, and > in such a WAFFy > way, that it turns into a wonderful story and one > which leaves the > reader with hope for the future (if that makes > sense) It does to me, Wendy, but I've read the stories in question. He is an incredible writer; I just wish we could make him believe it! > > > > Wendy, you > > > got Irene to post S&S earlier > > > than she had planned > > I know... but we haven't heard anything from Irene > since, have we? > Where are Parts 9 and 10, my esteemed co-author? Um, er, /me looks down sheepishly. Actually, I'm pleased to tell you that my case of writer's block seems to have gone away - thankfully - so I don't imagine it will take too long until you see parts 9 and 10, and also some more SVR. > > > As for Tank, he is sending his work to the Archive > (some is already > in the editing process) so if we can't get him to > post here, you > shouldn't have too long a wait. I believe his editor > (for a couple of > the stories, at any rate) has a reputation as a fast > worker.... Hmmm, wonder who that could be? Would the editor's initials possibly be ... WR? (Cindy, maybe you better have a talk with Wendy - she's a *lot* faster at editing than I am - but don't dump me. I wouldn't like that either!) Irene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:39:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Combo Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The URL is: http://www.zoomway.com/boards Nan jem wrote: > Can someone help me to get onto Zoom's boards. I've forgotten how :( > > Pleeeeze? > > jem > (who really needs less RL to cope with) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LabRat > To: > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 7:10 PM > Subject: Combo Post > > > Sandy wrote: > > > > But I do enjoy visiting Zoom's boards too, where I've long since given up > on > > others as just too much hassle. (Not to mention downloading time on my > > fragile phone bill ;). Since Zoom set up the new set, with everything > > handily there in the one spot, and in such an easy to find your way around > > format (I love the little folder that highlights to let you know a topic > has > > updated since you were last there ), they've had a real revival. It's > > pretty lively over there. And fun. > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:11:35 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: I will pick up the gaunlet...maybe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/8/99 10:55:07 PM !!!First Boot!!!, sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes: << --- James Tull wrote: > This is a combined post to the Fans of Lois and > Clark > FanFic List and to the Onelist Seven Days list. I > figured it would only be fair to include you both > because I will need both sides to make this happen. > > First of all I do not believe I am doing this. This >> Yes!!! Write it, who cares if I don't watch any televsion at all anymore. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:16:25 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Test teaser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/8/99 8:31:58 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jilectan@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << jilectan@HOTMAIL.COM (Tara Smith) >> Write it Tara. I and I'm certain we all would love to read it. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:16:14 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: A FoLC Wedding!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure someone has already posted the answer, but this is too important not to ask. I'm a day and a half behind and will probably read the post later today, but just in case. When??? This weekend? What time? I know I'm really dumb, but I never expected this and so didn't pay attention to the when except to wonder how soon. I've been waiting for Peace and Karl to marry ever since I read about the upcoming event, but never knew when it would be. Just hints. How wonderful this is for folcs to be able to join in/observe virtually such a wonderful ocassion. WOW. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:26:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: [seven-days] Digest Number 32 Comments: To: seven-days@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll see what I can do, but no promises. --- John L wrote: > From: John L > > John writes: > > > SevenDaysX@aol.com wrote: > > > From: SevenDaysX@aol.com > > > > In a message dated 9/9/99 3:39:07 AM Central > Daylight Time, > > seven-days@onelist.com writes: > > > > << How many of you Seven Dayers are fans of Lois > and > > Clark: The New Advures of Superman? >> > > > > Well I must admit I actually like it sometimes. My > favourite > character isn't Terry Hatcher as most of my friends > like her > but Kat. I think she's kind of nice. > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > How would you like to have a voice in the > marketplace and be > rewarded for it? SurveySpot members earn cash and > prizes for > taking part in market research studies! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:10:30 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Carolyn Schnall wrote: > I just finished wriitng a new ST:TNG/L&C crossover > story of my own which my > brother is editing. > Lock your brother in his room until he finishes it. By the way is it Nfic? James === Mr. D8a Philipians 4:8 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:09:36 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BEFBB7.A41F54BA" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEFBB7.A41F54BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As someone who has also just discovered all the fanfic on Zoom's message board(s?), I find myself feeling two different things: 1) YES that there is wonderful, new (to me - I sound like an NBC commercial - if you haven't seen (read) it, it's new to you!) fanfic to read and enjoy; 2) Wondering how much I've missed by taking so long to check out the message boards. (I still haven't figured out how to join in the conversations on there. Sometimes I feel very computer illiterate...) Also, once again, Wendy and Irene, I found my attention caught by a reference to "SVR" and wondered what you meant, Irene, by your comment , "...and also some more SVR." Has some of SVR already been posted? Is it on the list or the archive or the message boards? I would hate to miss out on any fic co-authored by two of my favorites. :-) Vicki (who just finished and LOVED S6, Ep. 13, Phil, and got to the end and thought "OMG, how long till I can find out what happens???", and is now going to find some fic by Tank on the boards, and give up the idea of doing anything work-related today...) - nice run-on sentences I'm producing this morning... Vicki.Krell@asu.edu ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEFBB7.A41F54BA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's = "Penfriend")

As someone who has also just discovered all the fanfic on Zoom's = message board(s?), I find myself feeling two different things: 1) = YES that there is wonderful, new (to me - I sound like an NBC = commercial - if you haven't seen (read) it, it's new to you!) fanfic to = read and enjoy; 2) Wondering how much I've missed by taking so = long to check out the message boards. (I still haven't figured out how = to join in the conversations on there. Sometimes I feel very computer = illiterate...)

Also, once again, Wendy and Irene, I found my attention caught by a = reference to "SVR" and wondered what you meant, Irene, by your comment = , "...and also some more SVR." Has some of SVR already been posted? Is = it on the list or the archive or the message boards? I would hate to = miss out on any fic co-authored by two of my favorites. J

Vicki (who just finished and LOVED S6, Ep. 13, Phil, and got to the = end and thought "OMG, how long till I can find out what happens???", = and is now going to find some fic by Tank on the boards, and give up = the idea of doing anything work-related today...) - nice run-on = sentences I'm producing this morning...

Vicki.Krell@asu.edu
------_=_NextPart_001_01BEFBB7.A41F54BA-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:18:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: Maggie part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sweet. I figure A)NK refugee, but not likely. B)Recent decendent thrown back in time, but still not likely. C)Distant decendent, Very likely. Let me know in private if you want. James === Mr. D8a Philipians 4:8 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:31:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Happy New Year! In-Reply-To: <19990910093942.14562.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you and to you too:) Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu >To all of you who celebrate Rosh Ha'shana - Happy new year! (Don't eat too >much at your family dinner! Too much Gefilte Fish might cause temporal >blindness! Consider yourself warned!) > >And to those of you who don't, well - have a nice weekend! :c) > >Yael. > > >-------------------------------------- >It's not an easy job being a princess, >but sombody's got to do it! >-------------------------------------- > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:59:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Why Earth and Not New Krypton? In-Reply-To: <19990910181030.12698.rocketmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry, he's bigger and older and lives in a different state, but my recent nKerth nomination seems to have inspired him:) The story is not an nfic but I wrote one and can be obtained via the Debby/Joyce list. It is not a crossover, but it was lots of fun to write:) Thanks James, Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu >--- Carolyn Schnall >wrote: >> I just finished wriitng a new ST:TNG/L&C crossover >> story of my own which my >> brother is editing. >> >Lock your brother in his room until he finishes it. >By the way is it Nfic? >James >=== >Mr. D8a >Philipians 4:8 >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:17:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Vicki, --- Vicki Krell wrote: > > As someone who has also just discovered all the > fanfic on Zoom's message > board(s?), I find myself feeling two different > things: 1) YES that there is > wonderful, new (to me - I sound like an NBC > commercial - if you haven't seen > (read) it, it's new to you!) fanfic to read and > enjoy; 2) Wondering how > much I've missed by taking so long to check out the > message boards. (I still > haven't figured out how to join in the conversations > on there. Sometimes I > feel very computer illiterate...) It's pretty easy to join in the conversations, Vicki. If you haven't done it already, you need to register your user name and get a password to join in. Then, when you "Post Reply" or "Start New Topic", you will be asked for your user name and your password. There is a great technical help section on Zoom's board which answers a lot of this type of question too. (You have to register separately for the nfic boards, but that info is there on the webpage.) > > Also, once again, Wendy and Irene, I found my > attention caught by a > reference to "SVR" and wondered what you meant, > Irene, by your comment , > "...and also some more SVR." Has some of SVR already > been posted? Is it on > the list or the archive or the message boards? I > would hate to miss out on > any fic co-authored by two of my favorites. :-) I'm sorry, Vicki. Wendy and I really should stop referring to this except privately. It hasn't been released yet. It's about 90 % finished so we should be able to release it soon, I hope. Irene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:53:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Combo Post In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:37 PM -0400 9/10/99, Phillip Atcliffe wrote: >I may well write the opening of a given story >before anything else, but don't count on it. I'm just as likely to >start with a scene that was the inspiration for the story (I generally >want to get it down so that I don't forget the details), or even a >number of them, and then I back up and fill in the gaps. /me high-fives Phil .. thank goodness I'm not alone. Fatal Attraction, my S6 from this past winter, was the first story I've ever written actually using a (gasp) outline. It was a neat experience and it did make things a lot easier to have the entire episode plotted out ahead of time (double gasp), but for my "personal" fanfic, I usually don't know the entire plot that far in advance. I mean, I have major touch-points in mind, milestones, and a general feel for where they'll fall in the story. But most of the in-between stuff just kind of .. happens. I get the scenes down as I think of them and fill in the gaps as I go. So like you, Phil, I can't really post works in progress. I've given some files to friends to look at, but they often look like <10-20 pages of scenes, a couple paragraphs of notes telling what I want to happen next, 10-20 more pages, more notes ...> Well, you get the idea. Now I do make an exception for short stories, say 20-30 pages. Those are short enough that I can see the beginning, middle and end before I start writing. Unfortunately, though, most of my current works-in-progress are of the 100+ page variety (yikes!) so they all look pretty patch-work right now! Oh well ... someday I'll finish them ... anyone have any extra hours in their day they can sell me? Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:55:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: A FoLC Wedding!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:16 AM -0400 9/10/99, Charlotte Fisler wrote: >I'm sure someone has already posted the answer, but this is too important not >to ask. I'm a day and a half behind and will probably read the post later >today, but just in case. > >When??? > >This weekend? > >What time? Peace posted a revised annoucement later that day (below). In a nutshell -- tomorrow (Saturday Sept 11) at 6 pm ET! I'm going to try to be there ... I hope we have a great turnout. :) Karl Kingston and Lori Hope (a.k.a. Peace) invite you to attend the chatroom version of their wedding on September 11, 1999 at 6 p.m. EDT! [insert very sheepish grin here] The wedding will be held in #KingstonWedding (which will be moderated) and #KingstonWeddingChat (which will be available for conversation). Please note that the transcriptionist will not be available for conversation during the wedding -- will be very busy typing and will ignore any private /msg! ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:58:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: S6 finale (was Re: Fanfic boards) In-Reply-To: <82E57D16D1D7D111A6B300A0C99B541007402E87@mainex2.asu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:09 AM -0700 9/10/99, Vicki Krell wrote: >Vicki (who just finished and LOVED S6, Ep. 13, Phil, and got to the end >and thought "OMG, how long till I can find out what happens???", We're shooting for Sunday, September 26. Let's tie *Phil* to his chair until he finishes. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:02:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Clarissa Kent Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: Re: Fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was thinking of writing some fanfic but I wanted to get some feedback before I started. I was thinking of doing of doing a story where Clark makes a mistake and it causesd a drastic change for the future and Utopia, so H.G. Wells takes him with the time machine to see how different the future is and then takes him back to correct time to change the error. What do you guys think? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:58:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: S6 finale (was Re: Fanfic boards) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BEFBC6.D60FAB00" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEFBC6.D60FAB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Looking for some rope...... V -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Brown [mailto:kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:58 PM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: S6 finale (was Re: Fanfic boards) At 11:09 AM -0700 9/10/99, Vicki Krell wrote: >Vicki (who just finished and LOVED S6, Ep. 13, Phil, and got to the end >and thought "OMG, how long till I can find out what happens???", We're shooting for Sunday, September 26. Let's tie *Phil* to his chair until he finishes. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEFBC6.D60FAB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: S6 finale (was Re: Fanfic boards)
Looking for some rope...... <vbeg>

V

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Brown [mailto:kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:58 PM
To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
Subject: S6 finale (was Re: Fanfic boards)

At 11:09 AM -0700 9/10/99, Vicki Krell wrote:

>Vicki (who just finished and LOVED S6, Ep. 13, Phil, and got to the end
>and thought "OMG, how long till I can find out what happens???",

We're shooting for Sunday, September 26. Let's tie *Phil* to his chair
until he finishes. <bg>

Kathy

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------_=_NextPart_001_01BEFBC6.D60FAB00-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:14:14 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Clarissa, It sounds like a very intriguing idea! I think you should go for it. Irene --- Clarissa Kent wrote: > I was thinking of writing some fanfic but I wanted > to get some feedback > before I started. I was thinking of doing of doing a > story where Clark > makes a mistake and it causesd a drastic change for > the future and > Utopia, so H.G. Wells takes him with the time > machine to see how > different the future is and then takes him back to > correct time to > change the error. What do you guys think? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:21:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eileen Barnard Subject: Re: Fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Clarissa I'm with Irene on this and I think you should definitely go for it - maybe I'll even get around to submitting my story at last that is finished but still sitting there on my hard drive. Look forward to seeing it "in print". Regards Eileen B ----- Original Message ----- From: Clarissa Kent To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Fanfic > I was thinking of writing some fanfic but I wanted to get some feedback > before I started. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:26:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eileen Barnard Subject: Message Boards Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01BEFBDB.82B28620" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BEFBDB.82B28620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone I know that this has been asked in the past but could one of you kind = FoLCs help me. I was away on holiday for a couple of weeks during August and went = nomail during that time. When I came back and re-subscribed, I was = anxious to read what had been happening while I was away, stories that I = had missed and all the lovely mail that all you lovely FoLCs had sent. However, I can't seem to remember how to do this so would somebody help = me please? I would be eternally grateful. Kindest regards Eileen B ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BEFBDB.82B28620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Everyone

I know that this has been asked in the past but = could one of=20 you kind FoLCs help me.

I was away on holiday for a couple of weeks during = August and=20 went nomail during that time. When I came back and re-subscribed, = I was=20 anxious to read what had been happening while I was away, stories that I = had=20 missed and all the lovely mail that all you lovely FoLCs had=20 sent.

However, I can't seem to remember how to do this so = would=20 somebody help me please? I would be eternally = grateful.

Kindest regards

Eileen B

------=_NextPart_000_007B_01BEFBDB.82B28620-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:36:08 GMT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yael Kfir Subject: Re: Fanfic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed --- Clarissa Kent wrote: << I was thinking of writing some fanfic but I wanted to get some feedback before I started. I was thinking of doing of doing a story where Clark makes a mistake and it causesd a drastic change for the future and Utopia, so H.G. Wells takes him with the time machine to see how different the future is and then takes him back to correct time to change the error. What do you guys think? >> Clarissa, I does sound like a terrific idea, but it also raaise a small problem (I'm a bit into this time-travel/history thing): In order to make Clark change or damage the future, you must assume that life has a plan that we must follow. Otherwise, Clark can't make a *mistake* because he doesn't know that there is another option. It's his "mistake" that determines the path of the future, and therefore not making this mistake is what will change Utopia. The mistake is what's normal. Yael (who would still love to read this story, no matter what :c) ). -------------------------------------- It's not an easy job being a princess, but somebody's got to do it! -------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:50:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Message Boards Archives In-Reply-To: <011701befc17$bdb118e0$b8db883e@eileensplace> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:26 PM -0700 9/10/99, Eileen Barnard wrote: > stories that I had missed and all the lovely mail that all you lovely >FoLCs had sent. However, I can't seem to remember how to do this so >would somebody help me please? I would be eternally grateful. Kindest >regards Eileen B http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html There you go! Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:07:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dennis A Arendt Subject: Re: Fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clarissa, I've never submitted a fanfic but I sure read all of them. Boy! Do I read. I know you probably wanted to here from fanfic writers but as a fanfic-o-holic I think this is a great idea. Good luck. Brenda ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:39:12 -0400 Reply-To: Juli Hale Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Juli Hale Organization: ETSU Subject: Idea for fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01BEF152.54B03940" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BEF152.54B03940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys! I just started grad school, so I've been away from the lists for a few = days. I also have a new e-mail address. Anyway, I've noticed a lot of people posting fanfic ideas and so I = thought I would toss out a couple of (incomplete) ideas I've had and see = if either anyone could use them or if someone could help me get = unstuck--even though I may never find the time to write them. :-( The = problem with these is that I'm having trouble developing them past this = stage. Here they are:=20 1)Alt-Clark (who is being aided by H.G. Wells to find his Lois) gets a = report that someone has sighted Lois Lane, who is thought to be dead, = being forced into a car by some menacing -looking man. (Tempus) H.G. = Wells goes to our Clark to enlist his help in finding out what is going = on. After all, he and Lois owe it to his counterpart. After Clark and Wells have left, Tempus arrives in our Metropolis to = kidnap our Lois. It was his plan all along to have this chance to = destroy Utopia. Tempus takes Lois to the Alt-World, and we find that the = sighting that got everyone's attention was merely our Lois, but in a = different time. (This is where I start getting confused. :-)) (Need help filling in what Tempus does from here, but basically I = want him to egotistically confess to our Lois what he did with/to = Alt-Lois.) Meanwhile, Clark/Alt-Clark/Wells, realize that something has = happened to Utopia and they somehow ?? figure out that Lois has been = kidnapped. (Maybe they could use that soul-tracker thingy to find = Lois--maybe that could even explain how the tracker came into being) Anyway--you can see why I need help. If anyone thinks they could do = this justice or if it's even worth doing, feel free. 2) In the spirit of Halloween and all these horror movies that are = coming out, how about a ghost story with Lex as the ghost? Is is dead = right now, isn't he? Oh, yeah, he's not. Well, maybe we could pretend. = Or kill him again. Sorry so Long,=20 Juli Hale jhale@preferred.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BEF152.54B03940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi guys!

I just started grad school, so I've = been away from=20 the lists for a few days. I also have a new e-mail address.

Anyway, I've noticed a lot of people = posting fanfic=20 ideas and so I thought I would toss out a couple of (incomplete) ideas = I've had=20 and see if either anyone could use them or if someone could help me get=20 unstuck--even though I may never find the time to write them. :-( The = problem=20 with these is that I'm having trouble developing them past this = stage. Here=20 they are:

1)Alt-Clark (who is being aided by H.G. = Wells to=20 find his Lois) gets a report that someone has sighted Lois Lane, who is = thought=20 to be dead, being forced into a car by some menacing -looking man. = (Tempus)=20 H.G. Wells goes to our Clark to enlist his help = in finding out=20 what is going on. After all, he and Lois owe it to his=20 counterpart.

 After Clark = and Wells=20 have left, Tempus arrives in our Metropolis to kidnap our Lois. It=20 was his plan all along to have this chance to destroy=20 Utopia. Tempus takes Lois to the Alt-World, and we find that = the=20 sighting that got everyone's attention was merely our Lois, = but in a=20 different time. (This is where I start getting confused. = :-))

 (Need help = filling in what=20 Tempus does from here, but basically I want him=20 to egotistically confess to our Lois what he did with/to=20 Alt-Lois.)

 Meanwhile,=20 Clark/Alt-Clark/Wells, realize that something has happened to Utopia and = they=20 somehow ?? figure out that Lois has been kidnapped. (Maybe = they could=20 use that soul-tracker thingy to find Lois--maybe that could even explain = how the=20 tracker came into being)

 Anyway--you can see = why I need=20 help. If anyone thinks they could do this justice or if it's = even=20 worth doing, feel free.

2) In the spirit of Halloween and all = these horror=20 movies that are coming out, how about a ghost story with Lex as the = ghost? Is is=20 dead right now, isn't he? Oh, yeah, he's not. Well, maybe we could = pretend.=20 Or kill him again.

Sorry so Long,

Juli Hale

jhale@preferred.com
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BEF152.54B03940-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:44:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Clarissa Kent Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: Re: Fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks everybody for sending your feedback! It was really nice of all of you to do that! I am going to try an attempt to write it! Brenda, I also read tons of fanfiction and this is my first attempt. In fact reading is my favourite hobby and I'm going to take a wack at writing. I wanted to hear from alot of people not just fanfic authors Dennis A Arendt wrote: > > Clarissa, > I've never submitted a fanfic but I sure read all of them. Boy! Do I read. I know you probably wanted > to here from fanfic writers but as a fanfic-o-holic I think this is a great idea. Good luck. > > Brenda ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:45:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dennis A Arendt Subject: Re: Gorn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone been able to access Gorn's site? It's been over a month and I still can not get in. Brenda ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:32:33 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Eileen F. Ray" Subject: L&C Fanfic Special Skip Week: Saturday September 11, 1999 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, L&C Fanfic will have a special skip week Saturday September 11, 1999, in honor of the Kingston-Hope cybernuptials ;). See you next week, if not at the wedding ;). Cheers (and congratulations Karl and Peace :)), Eileen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:43:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cynthia Haste Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Irene D." wrote: > I'm sorry, Vicki. Wendy and I really should stop referring to this > except privately. It hasn't been released yet. It's about 90 % > finished so we should be able to release it soon, I hope. Really? 90% huh? So if it's anything like the one I've been feeding you to edit, that means that by the time you guys finish up that last 10% it'll be twice the size it is now. I hope you guys have more self restraint than I have. No I don't. You, better than anyone, know I like epics. (Did you notice the commas? I'm learning.) Didn't you mention that you were almost ready to post the last parts of S&S? I think I'm allergic to patience. I'm starting to break out in a rash. Send me the parts you have ready to go, and I'll let you know if the rash clears up. I'm feeling particularily happy today because Part 3 is has a The End at the bottom of the last page. I'll trade you stories. Cindy -- Solitude is fine, but you need someone to tell you that solitude is fine. - Honore de Balzac The Rules of Chocolate: If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too slowly. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:40:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: Lois' shopping list In-Reply-To: <00ee01befaff$0f014ae0$8a9a01d4@MFUK.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:45 PM 09/09/1999 +0100, you wrote: >> In theory he can think pretty quickly because he *has* to because he can move >> so quickly. By necessity he has to have a fast processor or he'll always run >> into things. > >Couldn't his ability to avoid hitting things when travelling very fast be >attributed to instinct more than fast thinking? As in the case of bats, >which tend to fly very close to things and then swerve away at the last >minute when their 'radar' system detects something too close. All this originates in the brain though, unless he's flying by gut feeling ;) >>However, during the show, I (and at times only I) found the >> *quality* and *results* of his thought processes often quite faulty. I believe >> this was due to the difficulty many writers have thinking up things that would >> challenge a smart/clever person. >Me included. Superman deserves the best. Fortunately, he's got us :D >Yvonne >(yconnell@ukf.net) Debby Debby@swcp.com that one :) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:04:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Special Favors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit May I ask for two -- one little, one big? 1) Does someone have the e-mail address of "Tank" Wilson? I want to respond to a question he asked but there are no e-mail addresses listed for him. 2) Here's the bigger one: are any of you on the n-fic boards and recently created n-fic list? (I'm sure someone is?) Could you e-mail me, if you are? I only need one victim ... um, I mean person. Thanks much, Sand smcdermin@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:25:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Special Favors In-Reply-To: <37D99C89.E9669F68@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 8:04 PM -0400 9/10/99, Sandy McDermin wrote: >1) Does someone have the e-mail address of "Tank" Wilson? I want to >respond to a question he asked but there are no e-mail addresses listed >for him. Tank Wilson Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:24:18 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Cindy, --- Cynthia Haste wrote: > "Irene D." wrote: > > > I'm sorry, Vicki. Wendy and I really should stop > referring to this > > except privately. It hasn't been released yet. > It's about 90 % > > finished so we should be able to release it soon, > I hope. > > Really? 90% huh? So if it's anything like the one > I've been feeding you to > edit, that means that by the time you guys finish up > that last 10% it'll be > twice the size it is now. I hope you guys have more > self restraint than I > have. No I don't. You, better than anyone, know I > like epics. (Did you > notice the commas? I'm learning.) Yes, I did notice the commas. I had to learn too BTW, Cindy. I went out to lunch with Karen Ward today (Hi, Karen!) and I told her how bad I had felt after she was done editing 'Firestorm' for me. I had printed the whole thing out, given it to her, then looked at it some more, and thought 'Hmm, my dialogue doesn't look right. What's wrong with it?'. I checked a couple of books, edited the whole thing, and forgot to tell Karen. She spent a *long* time catching all the mistakes that I had already caught! Talk about guilt! (Of course, she caught a ton of mistakes that I hadn't too.) If you like epics, Cindy, you'll love SVR. It's *long* and it keeps getting longer, as I'm sure Wendy would attest to if she were online at the moment. But if it ends up double its current size, I won't be able to afford the ink and paper to print the sucker. It's big! > > Didn't you mention that you were almost ready to > post the last parts of > S&S? I think I'm allergic to patience. I'm > starting to break out in a > rash. Send me the parts you have ready to go, and > I'll let you know if the > rash clears up. LOL! No, I did not say that I was almost ready to post the last parts of S&S! What I said, was that my writer's block has finally vanished and I'm ready to work on it again! I have barely started chapter 10, but at least I now have a clear picture of how to get to my desired end result. I'm sorry that you've broken out into a rash, but uh, uh. You can't have what I haven't written yet, if that makes any sense. (beg) > > I'm feeling particularily happy today because Part 3 > is has a The End at > the bottom of the last page. I'll trade you > stories. Oh, that's great! You must be so pleased. But I haven't finished editing part one yet! I'm not ready for part 3. Picture me getting buried under an avalanche as that's a bit how I feel. I want to do a good job for you editing, but boy, I feel slow about it. Irene > > Cindy > > -- > Solitude is fine, but you need someone to tell you > that solitude is fine. - > Honore de Balzac > > The Rules of Chocolate: If you've got melted > chocolate all over your hands, > you're eating it too slowly. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:11:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: Fanfic boards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yvonne asked: > I, too, am puzzled by the reluctance to post daily cliffhangers or first > drafts to this list. Why not? Well, for the same reason I wouldn't post anything titled "Part 1" to the archive. (I've done sequels, but that's different) It's a personal thing, but unfinished stories make me nervous. I could, at any moment, run out of inspiration, run out of time to write, or even be hit by a bus, and then the story would never get finished, and I don't want to do that to people. I just don't feel comfortable with it, in general. Besides, sometimes I think of something great towards the end, and have to go back and foreshadow it at the beginning; you can't do that if the beginning's already posted. And I don't generally post first drafts out of simple pride, I suppose I'd rather find and fix the mistakes myself, with my trusty editors, than expose them to all the world. I'd hate for someone to read a first draft of mine and assume that was all the better I knew how to write... It was a surprise to me, in fact, that I posted "Fate" to the message boards, serialized and as a first draft. I think it was due to two things ... after enjoying the fanfic posted there, I wanted to join in. And one of the other writers had started a story by jumping in with both feet, totally dispensing with the "everything was normal until" part (A Future Not Now, for those who are keeping score). I had a story idea buzzing in my head, but I didn't want to do the boring normal part, I just wanted to jump right in, and that seemed to be okay in that circumstance, where normally I wouldn't have allowed myself to do that. I'm still kinda surprised it worked, but I have added an opening scene, just to set the stage very briefly. Once I got started, I got hooked on the immediate, positive (okay, gushing ) feedback. So that was very motivating, and I actually wrote a 65K story in just over a week, to my continued astonishment. Now I'm tempted to send the revised, edited "Fate" to this list in cliffhanger chunks It'd only be about 11 parts ... just something to keep y'all occupied before the S6 series finale > Also, Pam, I think you mentioned that the message boards had a smaller > audience than the list. How do you know? You have a good point; I don't know how many people are lurking. But it's a fairly small, and *very* supportive group that posts, and that creates the illusion of intimacy, which makes it easier to take chances. Oh, and someone mentioned that boards are clunky ... well, they have their drawbacks ("it's not a bug, it's a feature!"), but they're a lot better than, say, trying to read your e-mail in Hotmail :) Not that that's important, I just felt like mentioning it -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:23:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: Fanfic boards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pam Jernigan wrote: > > Yvonne asked: > > I, too, am puzzled by the reluctance to post daily cliffhangers or first > > drafts to this list. Why not? > > Well, for the same reason I wouldn't post anything titled "Part 1" to > the archive. So the list is equivalent to the archive, i.e., fic in stone? Funny, I was just viewing it as a place to share work in progress, get opinions, share thoughts, talk out writing problems.... > Oh, and someone mentioned that boards are clunky ... well, they have > their drawbacks ("it's not a bug, it's a feature!"), but they're a lot > better than, say, trying to read your e-mail in Hotmail :) Not that > that's important, I just felt like mentioning it Someone smcdermin@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:47:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Maggie Subject: oh, for the love of Pam! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *****Fan Fiction Goddess Drool Alert ******** So, okay, so I just finished reading Pam's Fate Worse than Death on Zoom's Boards (conveniently located on a puter near you at http://www.zoomway.com/boards ) And I have a few things to say....... First of all, with all due respect to Melisma, one of the sweetest folcs I know.....Give me a moment while I plant my tongue firmly in my cheek, here goes.....Melisma, sweetums, How *dare* ye declare thyself Pam's #1 Fan??? Dear girl, that title has been *taken*, _spoken for_, *O*w*n*e*d* and O*p*e*r*a*t*e*d* [if I could use neon I would!] by Yours Truly since the beginning of time, in Alternate Universes, Parallel Time Lines and throughout the Cyberspace Continuum! Melisma, tsk, tsk, for _shaaaamee_ I am however, delighted to invite you to join the Jernigan Admiration Society, of which, I am the founding member and Chief Executive Officer. Raise your right hand and repeat after me: Whereas, we love Superman and Furthermore adhere to his principles of living, flying and loving (beyond all measure...hehehe) Whereas, we are united in our adoration of Waffy Endings and Suspenseful Cliffhangers Whereas, we as patrons of the FanFiction Goddess Hall of Fame worship Pam regularly ensuring a continuous and abundant supply of PamFiction, I do hereby agree to uphold and protect our official Motto: Truth, Justice and the Jernigan way. :o) If you have not read the story, I wouldn't want to spoil it for you, I would however, ask you, what in heavens you would be waiting for!?!? Another Elvis sighting at Graceland!?!? Sorry, when I get agitated, I hear Perry voices in my head ;o) As I was saying...Dearest Folcies, this story is *not to be missed*....when you can recognize Tempus >from his speech alone, when you can feel the anguish in Lois's voice and see the gentleness in Clark's eyes, when you wonder, "how the heck are they gonna get out of this one!?!?" When you see Lois Babble and Clark Ramble in the name of love, dears, when all these wondrous elements are found *together* cohesively tied around a shocking beginning, a cliff-hanging- page-turning-middle and a waffy ending....When you see this....You *know* you are in the presence of greatness. So, okay, *now* you know the effect Pam has on me...It's like Purple Kryptonite, puts all the brain cells in :o) mode does the happy dance! I have dared to post this drool fest publicly in honor of the "we should post more feedback" thread from a while back...at that time I mentioned I usually wrote directly to the authors because, well, I tend to have nothing constructive to say ---I mainly go about the business of drooling and for anyone who wondered what exactly true, unadulterated *drool* looks like... Now you know. yours in Pamdoration, Maggie maggie13@bellsouth.net (aka supermags on IRC) The impossible: what nobody can do until somebody does. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:33:00 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: Fanfic boards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > So the list is equivalent to the archive, i.e., fic in stone? Funny, I > was just viewing it as a place to share work in progress, get opinions, > share thoughts, talk out writing problems.... And it can be, for those who prefer it that way, I just don't happen to use it like that. I was just explaining *my* opinion, not laying down the law. :) Sorry if it came across otherwise. Frankly, when it comes to my own fanfic, I use the list to get immediate feedback once I've finished a story because it takes a while to get through the archive process. I also love getting new stories in my in-box and discussing them with other folcs. And public critiquing can be very instructive for everyone ... but we've already done that discussion to death, I think :) -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:46:57 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/10/1999 9:21:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes: << But if it ends up double its current size, I won't be able to afford the ink and paper to print the sucker. It's big! >> Oh, good! I'll just read it on my screen and save the paper and toner. I LOVE long stories! --Laurie (waiting to edit more of Irene's work!!) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:51:11 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Fanfic boards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/10/1999 10:13:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: << Now I'm tempted to send the revised, edited "Fate" to this list in cliffhanger chunks It'd only be about 11 parts ... just something to keep y'all occupied before the S6 series finale >> Well, Pam, please post it BUT give it to us all at once. I was ready to run to New Mexico and hack into Debby's computer when she doled out her last one a little at a time! --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:30:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cynthia Haste Subject: Re: Fanfic boards (was Re: Wendy's "Penfriend") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Irene D." wrote: > If you like epics, Cindy, you'll love SVR. It's *long* and it keeps > getting longer, as I'm sure Wendy would attest to if she were online at > the moment. But if it ends up double its current size, I won't be able > to afford the ink and paper to print the sucker. It's big! I'll mail a donation for ink and paper. E- me the address. > No, I did not say that I was almost ready to post the last parts > of S&S! What I said, was that my writer's block has finally vanished > and I'm ready to work on it again! I have barely started chapter 10, > but at least I now have a clear picture of how to get to my desired end > result. I'm sorry that you've broken out into a rash, but uh, uh. You > can't have what I haven't written yet, if that makes any sense. (beg) Why not? My kids are spending money I haven't made yet. (itch itch) Evelyn Wood speed typing course. Should take that one myself. > > I'm feeling particularily happy today because Part 3 > > is has a The End at > > the bottom of the last page. I'll trade you > > stories. > > Oh, that's great! You must be so pleased. But I haven't finished > editing part one yet! I'm not ready for part 3. Picture me getting > buried under an avalanche as that's a bit how I feel. I want to do a > good job for you editing, but boy, I feel slow about it. I already told you 2001 is OK. That way the whole thing won't get lost in the great Y2K e-mail disappearance (knocking on wood, throwing salt over shoulder, turning three times to the right and then once to the left) Just because it says The End doesn't mean I've gone through it a dozen times myself to make sure everybody's who they should be. You probably don't have to tweak a story to death, but this being my first my tweaking finger is very busy. Waiting patiently (kinda) (itch itch) for RL to leave you alone long enough to put the story down in bytes. Cindy -- Solitude is fine, but you need someone to tell you that solitude is fine. - Honore de Balzac The Rules of Chocolate: If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too slowly. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:48:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Fanfic In-Reply-To: <37D963D9.44D93886@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow, that sounds promising - go get 'em, girl! :) Melisma -------------------------------------- At 04:02 PM 9/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >I was thinking of writing some fanfic but I wanted to get some feedback >before I started. I was thinking of doing of doing a story where Clark >makes a mistake and it causesd a drastic change for the future and >Utopia, so H.G. Wells takes him with the time machine to see how >different the future is and then takes him back to correct time to >change the error. What do you guys think? > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:53:38 +1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: jem Subject: Re: Combo Post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you very much, Nancy :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Smith To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Combo Post > The URL is: http://www.zoomway.com/boards > > Nan > > jem wrote: > > > Can someone help me to get onto Zoom's boards. I've forgotten how :( > > > > Pleeeeze? > > > > jem > > (who really needs less RL to cope with) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: LabRat > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 7:10 PM > > Subject: Combo Post > > > > > Sandy wrote: > > > > > > But I do enjoy visiting Zoom's boards too, where I've long since given up > > on > > > others as just too much hassle. (Not to mention downloading time on my > > > fragile phone bill ;). Since Zoom set up the new set, with everything > > > handily there in the one spot, and in such an easy to find your way around > > > format (I love the little folder that highlights to let you know a topic > > has > > > updated since you were last there ), they've had a real revival. It's > > > pretty lively over there. And fun. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:13:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eileen Barnard Subject: Re: Message Boards Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Kathy - you really are a pal. Regards Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Brown To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Message Boards Archives > At 10:26 PM -0700 9/10/99, Eileen Barnard wrote: > > stories that I had missed and all the lovely mail that all you lovely > >FoLCs had sent. However, I can't seem to remember how to do this so > >would somebody help me please? I would be eternally grateful. Kindest > >regards Eileen B > > > > http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html > > There you go! > > Kathy > > ______________________ > Kathy Brown > kathyb@springnet1.com > KathyB on IRC > ______________________ > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:47:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (intro) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, after Maggie's gushing (thanks, Maggie, even if you did embarrass me half to death! ) I guess I'd better hurry up and post the edited version. Thanks go to the very encouraging posters on the message boards ... your screams of pain at the various cliffhangers were *most* inspiring (To those first reading it here ... pretty much every scene was posted individually, with 10 parts in all) Special thanks to Chris Mulder, Tank Wilson, and Carol Malo, who pointed out various weak spots for me to work on :) And I should give credit to Debby Stark, as well, which will surprise her: Several months back, she speculated about the challenge of writing a character so that the reader could identify him or her just by dialog, mannerisms, etc. I had that in mind while writing the first (now, second) scene. Lois didn't know who the villain was, and he didn't introduce himself, so I just wrote him the best I could and trusted the reader to figure it out. :) -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:48:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (1 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STORY TITLE: Fate Worse Than Death PART: 1 of 5 AUTHORS: Pam Jernigan RATING: PG-13 FEEDBACK: All feedback, public and private, is welcome DESCRIPTION: Lois is forced to choose between Clark and Superman, with deadly results. "Mm, that was a great dinner, Clark." Lois smiled at her date. Dating her partner had been a risk, and the relationship could still have occasional awkward moments, but for the most part, Lois was glad she'd accepted Clark's romantic overture. Clark nodded agreement as they left the restaurant. "Yep, I love that place." Somewhat hesitantly, he put an arm around her shoulder. "Great pasta." She snuggled in next to him, enjoying his nearness. Her body seemed to respond to him in elemental ways; sometimes that scared her, but right now she gave herself permission to enjoy it. They talked about everything and nothing as they walked to her apartment, and Lois contemplated inviting him inside to stay for coffee ... or maybe more. She suspected it was the wine talking, but part of her really wanted to take their relationship further. She hadn't felt like this about anyone since ... well, since Superman. The thought deflated her. Well, maybe it was time to make her choice. Instead of waiting and hoping for Superman, maybe she should give him up and focus on Clark, who was pretty special in his own way. She glanced up at him, thinking of how to phrase her invitation, when she saw an abstracted expression cross his face. "Clark? What is it?" He looked down at her and smiled tightly, but his eyes were distracted. "And here we are, right at your building. Will you be okay to go up alone?" Lois glared. "Of course I will, Clark, I do it all the time, but why?" "Well, ah, I just remembered, uh--" She threw up her hands. "Never mind. Don't tell me. I don't even want to know." "Lois, I'm sorry--" "Goodnight, Clark." She stormed up the stairs, angry nearly to the point of tears. Why did he keep doing that? Thank God she hadn't invited him in; at least she was spared that humiliation. As she entered her apartment, the phone was ringing. She caught it on the third ring. "Hello? ... Oh, hi Dan ... a late movie?" She looked towards the street with an angry glitter in her eye. "That sounds terrific. I'll meet you there." *** The next day, Lois regained consciousness slowly. First she realized she was very uncomfortable. Then she stirred, and found that she was tied to a chair. She groaned. No matter how many crises she'd survived, they were never fun. At least she wasn't gagged. All she had to do was-- A man's deep voice interrupted her thoughts. "I do hope you're not about to yell 'Help, Superman'," he drawled. "Because I'm not really in the mood to help Superman. Why would I be? I'm the one who captured him." Lois felt the pit of her belly go cold, and she looked around to see who this was. She saw a tall, middle-aged man, smiling with every appearance of good humor. His smile, however, failed to distract her from the evil in his eyes. "What's going on here?" Lois asked. If he'd wanted her dead, he would have killed her already. "What do you mean, you captured Superman?" "Ever the nosey reporter, I see," the man smirked. "You forgot the other "w's" -- let me see, I think they were, "where, why, what, who" ... was there another one?" "Just answer the question," Lois snapped, trying to mask her fear in anger. "Very well," he sighed elaborately. "This is a plot -- I always have a plot, you know -- to prevent certain events from happening in your future. I'm not going to kill you -- well, probably not -- but I will be ruining your life. Except that I won't be doing it, you will." He laughed again, immensely amused by a joke only he understood. "What are you talking about?" "I'm getting there, Miss Impatience." He reached out towards her, and she shrunk away, as much as she could, but he only reached past her to grab the edge of her chair and spin her around. She was now facing a control desk of some sort, and there were two video monitors. The reception was gray and fuzzy, and she squinted to make out what was in the pictures. "As you see," the man explained, still sounding much too happy for her peace of mind, "On the left, is your partner and best friend, Clark Kent. He's locked into a cell, and he's not moving because he's been knocked out." Lois stifled a gasp, it *was* Clark! She was doubly afraid now, last night's anger forgotten. He was probably hurt, or maybe even killed already. "Meanwhile, on the other monitor," the man continued urbanely, "we find Superman, also unconscious." "How did you do that?" Lois cried, furious and terrified. The man snapped his fingers. "Yes, that's what I was missing! It's 'Who, what, where, when and how'! I knew I could count on you. And to answer your question, I did that with a fascinating toy I picked up along my travels to the future. It's a synthetic form of Kryptonite, which the researcher hypothesized would rob Superman of his powers permanently. I'll have to let him know that it worked. Oh, no, wait," he theatrically smacked himself on the forehead. "I can't tell him that, I killed him. Ah, well, that's the price of progress for you." Lois barely heard him, staring horrified at the two screens. If this maniac could incapacitate Superman, what else might he do? "Oh, relax, Lois, I really don't have any grandiose schemes. I mean, I could run for Mayor, or President, but it's been *done*. Simpler is sometimes best. All I have to do is destroy the foundations for Utopia, sock some money in a good stock fund, then skip ahead 20-30 years to find myself a rich man in a chaotic world." He grinned widely. "But first, I'm going to have a little fun." Lois regarded him with extreme caution. "I don't want to know what you consider fun." "And yet, you're going to," he replied with another laugh. "Isn't life a bitch? Alright, Lois, here's the deal. I'm going to kill one of those two--" he pointed at the monitors. "And you get to choose which one! Isn't that fun?" "No! You can't!" Lois reeled back, unable to comprehend the situation. "I can't do that!" He shrugged. "Well, I suppose I could kill both of them, but it's really not necessary. Not that I expect you to understand that, of course," he smirked. "Come on, Lois, it's not that hard." She glared at him. Her mind was whirling. For months now, she hadn't even been able to decide which one of them she wanted to *date*. The stakes were now raised to infinity. How could she possibly--? "Let me help. You're in love with Superman, right?" he taunted, obviously enjoying this far too much. "So who's going to miss a farm kid from Kansas, compared to a superhero?" "His name is Clark, and he's the kindest, gentlest, sweetest guy I know!" She retorted automatically. "I think we have a winner! Congratulations, and thanks for playing!" "What? No!" she screamed, but he ignored her, reaching out to push a button on the console. Lois watched in horror as Superman's cell was flooded with smoke. "Don't worry," he patted her on the shoulder. "The gas works quickly, he won't feel a thing. And now, I've got to run! But I'm sure someone will be along to help you out very soon. And you don't have to tell them that you killed Superman if you don't want to." She stared at him in disbelief as he walked out of the room. At the last moment, he turned and smiled one last time. "When Herb shows up, give him my love!" *** "Oh god, oh god, oh god," Lois half-chanted, half-prayed as she searched the building for the rooms that she had seen on the monitors. They were in an old school building, which meant lots of rooms, but most were standing empty and open. Beside her, H.G. Wells frowned in nervous agitation. He'd known that Tempus was up to something, but he hadn't been able to pinpoint where or what. Always before, Tempus' love of over-complicated plots had given him plenty of time to thwart the time-travelling maniac, but this time, he very much feared that he was too late. Lois tried another door, and found this one locked. She pulled a lockpick from her purse and fumbled in haste to open the door. "Damn, damn, damn," she cried, wiping at her tear-streaked face with her free hand. Finally, the lock gave way, and she pushed the door open. "Miss Lane, the gas," Wells cautioned, but she ignored him, and stumbled blindly inside. A wail informed him that she'd found something she didn't want to see, and he followed her in, breathing shallowly. He found her kneeling over the body of Superman. Lois was crying harder now, and gasping out, "I killed him! I killed him!" Wells stepped closer and checked for a pulse, but found none. Superman's face was peaceful, and his body appeared unmarked. Wells was shaken to the core, but tried to retain some hope. Lois had said there were *two* cells, after all, and the other should contain Clark Kent. If that hadn't been video trickery on Tempus' part, that is. He left Lois to her vigil, and continued down the hall. The very next door was locked, and Wells pulled out a multi-purpose tool he'd picked up in the future. This room was furnished the same as the other, with only a bed, and on that bed lay Clark. Wells approached him, and checked him out. Thankfully, the young man seemed to be alive. "Clark, my boy," Wells said, shaking him gently. "Can you hear me?" Slowly, Clark returned to consciousness. "What? What happened?" Wells stared into his eyes, searching for signs of a concussion, but finding only confusion. "You were attacked. Do you know your name?" "Uh, yeah, I'm Clark Kent ... I think." He shook his head, trying to clear it. "I was leaving for work, and then I think something hit me ... it hurt like hell. Where am I?" Clark struggled to sit up, and Herb reached out to help him up, relieved to find that all was not lost. And yet, Tempus knew Clark's secret; why had he let the Kryptonian live? "You were attacked by a desperate ruffian," Herb explained distractedly. "His name is Tempus, and his desire is to destroy Superman, and the Utopian future founded by--" Wells interrupted himself as he caught sight of Clark's forearm, which was marred by a long, bloody cut. "Superman?" Clark repeated uncertainly. "If he was after Superman, why attack me?" Herb swung his gaze up in startlement, meeting Clark's eyes. "Oh dear. You really don't know, do you?" * Clark stared at the strange little man who'd awoken him, and wished his head would quit pounding. This had to be the worst headache he'd ever had, not least because it felt strangely *wrong.* Almost as if he'd never had one before -- wasn't *supposed* to have one at all -- but that made no sense. Everyone got headaches, didn't they? "What are you talking about?" he asked, cradling his injured arm. He couldn't remember how he'd gotten hurt, but then, he couldn't remember much of anything at the moment. The little man stared at him for a few seconds, then gathered himself together. "Forgive me. My name is Herbert George Wells, and I, um, travel. And try to prevent tragedies such as what happened today." For an instant, his shoulders drooped, and he suddenly looked much older than the 60-something Clark had supposed he was. "What tragedy? Who is Tempus?" Clark struggled to understand. Wells sighed. "I'll explain all, but I think it will save time if I tell both you and Miss Lane at once." "Lois!" Clark stiffened. "She's involved, too? Where is she, is she hurt?" "She's nearby," Mr. Wells assured him, "and physically she seems unharmed. Her spirit, however..." Clark didn't wait to hear more, exiting the room and looking up and down the hallway for any trace of her. Wells caught up with him and pointed about the time Clark heard a muffled sob, and he tore off down the hall. The sight that met him stopped him cold. Lois was crying softly, stroking the face of Superman. Clark didn't even need to ask if the man were alive. A strange mix of emotions flowed over Clark. He felt almost jealous of the dead man, a mix of anger and sympathy, and over it all, a sense of wrongness. This shouldn't be. He didn't know why, but this was impossible. "It should be me," he heard himself whisper, then wondered why he'd said it. "Indeed it should," agreed Mr. Wells, with a strange sideways glance at him. "I simply cannot comprehend how this could have happened." Clark stared at the man, puzzled by his attitude, but his attention was claimed by a fresh spate of sobs from Lois. That galvanized him to action, and he finally crossed the room, ignoring the dead to tend to the living. He sat next to Lois and gathered her into his arms. She turned towards him and burrowed into his embrace, crying. Slowly, her sobs eased, as Lois regained control of herself. She straightened and wiped her face with the hem of her shirt. "Lois," Clark asked softly, "What happened?" "There was a man," she replied, her voice cracking only slightly. "He didn't tell me his name. He had a vile sense of humor. Everything was funny to him." "That would be Tempus," Wells interjected. "He's attempted mayhem before, but we had always been able to stop him -- you two and I, I mean." Clark turned his head to stare. "I've never met you before." Wells smiled, sadly. "No, but you will -- or at least, you would have done. I don't know how this will affect things." He frowned, and continued in a lower, musing tone. "Unless this is a parallel universe, which simply hadn't diverged before now ... the death of Superman would be a dividing incident." Clark blinked at that, but let it drop in favor of more immediate concerns. He turned back to Lois, who was sitting on the edge of the cot, wrapped up in her thoughts, staring at the floor. "What did he do, Lois?" he asked in his gentlest voice. She recited the terrible interview in a flat, unemotional voice, keeping herself detached from the memories. Wells interrupted after she mentioned the researcher. "Oh dear, oh dear," he muttered to himself. "This is very worrying. I knew about that research, and in fact I tried to stop it, but they wouldn't listen. It was the theft of the gold Kryptonite that alerted me--" Clark frowned, feeling somehow threatened. "Gold Kryptonite? I thought that..." he faltered, trying to force the memory. "I thought it was green." "Oh yes, indeed, it is," Wells confirmed. "Or at any rate, the original is. But Simmons was trying to alter its properties, and he ended up with a form that he liked to call gold. More yellowish, if you asked me, but he got to name it. He claimed..." Wells paused, glancing at Clark's arm, then continued in a more somber tone. "He claimed that exposure to this gold kryptonite would rob any Kryptonian of all his powers. Permanently." "Oh." There didn't seem to be much to say to that. "I guess it worked." "Yes, perhaps ... but do go on, Miss Lane. What happened then?" She concluded her recital uninterrupted. "And then he just ... left. I don't know how much longer it was until you showed up, Mr. Wells." Wells coughed. "Yes, well ... I deeply regret -- you don't know how deeply -- that I was not more timely. I knew Tempus was up to something, but I didn't know what, or where. Usually his schemes are more elaborate, which gives us more opportunity to foil them." Lois merely nodded, and resumed her study of the floor. Clark was becoming very concerned about this lack of reaction; it seemed totally unlike her. He thought back over her terse account of the encounter. How devilish, to ask her to choose. With a sense of shame, he remembered that he, himself, had wanted her to choose between him and Superman; had in fact wanted her to choose him *over* Superman. Now she had, and he could only feel guilt about it. It dawned on him then, that it must be ten times worse for Lois. "Lois, are you okay?" "No, Clark," she replied with an eerie calm. "I'm not okay. Superman's dead, and it's all my fault. I'll never be okay again." Clark could feel his heart break at the note of despair in her voice, and he moved closer to hug her again. This time, however, she resisted, shocked into movement at last. "No! I can't, don't you see? You're only alive because he's *dead* and it's just not right. It's all my fault." "No, it's not! Lois--" She refused to listen. "I just can't, Clark! I have to get out of here." "I'll get a cab for you, then," he offered, concerned. "No, dammit!" She stood and pushed past him, her voice starting to edge into hysteria. "I've got to get away. And don't come after me, either -- I never want to see you again in my life!" She fled the room, leaving Clark stunned. (to be continued) -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:49:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (2 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STORY TITLE: Fate Worse Than Death PART: 2 of 5 AUTHORS: Pam Jernigan RATING: PG-13 FEEDBACK: All feedback, public and private, is welcome DESCRIPTION: Lois is forced to choose between Clark and Superman, with deadly results. Jonathan Kent had just finished drying the last dish when the phone rang. "I'll get it," he called out, knowing that Martha was enveloped with her latest quilting project. "Hello?" "Uh, hi, Dad," came Clark's strangely hesitant greeting. "Hello, Clark, how are you?" Tucking the mouthpiece of the phone under his chin he turned towards the living room. "Martha, it's Clark." "Not so good, actually," Clark replied, and he did sound tired. Jonathan frowned in concern. "What happened, son?" "Well, it's a long story, and I don't understand it all myself. It'll probably make the eleven o'clock news. Superman's dead." "Err ... what did you say?" Jonathan looked into the living room to see how Martha was doing; she was on her way to pick up the cordless phone. That was good; he needed the reinforcement. They both heard the click as she picked up. "Hello, honey." "Hi Mom." "Martha, Clark says that Superman is dead." "Honey, how is that possible?" They heard Clark sigh. "Some time-travelling maniac had some weird form of Kryptonite." Martha stifled a gasp. "Clark, are you okay?" "Me? Sure, I'm fine ... well, mostly. I think I got knocked on the head at some point, so my memory's kinda wonky. I was at the hospital, though, and they tell me everything should come back to me sooner or later. And they stitched up my arm." Jonathan shook his head, feeling unable to comprehend all this. How could this be happening to his boy? It seemed only yesterday when the teenaged Clark had emerged unscathed from a tangle with a bull. Martha sounded bewildered, as well. "But, Clark, what about your powers?" "My *powers*? You're kidding, right?" Jonathan looked across the room at his wife. "Martha, get the bat. We're going to Metropolis." She waved a hand at him. "No, Jonathan, he said his arm was injured; this is more than just memory loss." "Mom, Dad? You want to tell me what you're talking about?" They exchanged helpless glances. "Well, son," Jonathan finally began, "you're adopted." *** It was two days after Superman's death, and Lois was still in shock. She'd managed to write the story of his death -- part of it, anyway. Perry had filled in the gaps and smoothed out the style. Then she'd taken sick leave, and no one had challenged her decision. Since then, she'd slept a lot, cried a lot, and eaten very little. The phone had been off the hook for days. Dan had wanted to come over, but she had told him not to. He hadn't known Superman, couldn't understand how this affected her. The only one who might understand was Clark, but she couldn't face him. She'd tried rereading old books to distract herself -- the television and radio were full of commentary on Superman's life and death, and she wasn't ready to face that. Some subconscious part of her insisted that, if she waited faithfully enough, Superman would return. He had to return, because he had to forgive her ... because she couldn't forgive herself. It had been hard to face the fact that she had, however inadvertently, chosen Clark. She should have known, should have kept quiet, not said anything. She just hadn't known what to say, or how to choose. Even now, when she bitterly resented Clark's continued existence, she couldn't hate him that much. If she had the chance to reverse things, would she, *could* she, sacrifice Clark, even if it meant Superman's safe return? No. She wanted them *both* alive. Alive, and in her life. And if she still wanted Clark, even now ... She was forced to realize that she was in love with her partner. Not quite the same way she'd been in love with Superman, but in love nonetheless. Not that it mattered. She didn't deserve happiness, and most especially not with Clark. *** It was the evening of the third day following Superman's death, and Lois was just about cried out. That afternoon, she'd felt hungry for the first time in days. Her kitchen was now covered in empty Chinese-food cartons. It hadn't been as good as the kind Clark sometimes brought her -- but she wasn't going to think about Clark. She faced the rest of the evening with restless indecision. She'd already read and reread all the books she owned, and watched "The Ivory Tower" until she could recite all the lines. Maybe it would be safe to try the TV. She pressed the button cautiously, and found a rerun of Dallas. Oh, good, more melodrama. That suited her mood perfectly. She was just getting into the scene when the program broke for commercials. She got up and headed for the freezer; maybe she had some chocolate ice cream left. No, no such luck. She shrugged, and bore the disappointment philosophically, until she heard the news announcer talking about the preparations for Superman's funeral. She blinked her eyes furiously against the sting of tears, and lunged for the remote, cutting the report off in mid-sentence. Okay, TV wasn't safe. Now what could she do? Distraction arrived in a knock on the door. "Who is it?" she called out, her voice rusty from disuse. "Lois, it's me, Clark. Can I come in?" Her first instinct was to say no, but after three days of her own company she was ready for a change. Besides, she had been pretty rough on him the other day, and it wasn't his fault that he was alive. She'd apologize to him -- clear her conscience of this, at least -- but that would be all. "Uh, yeah, okay," she replied belatedly, then abruptly realized that she was wearing pajamas. "Just wait a minute, I need to get cleaned up." She hurried into the bedroom and found a sweatshirt and jeans. Once dressed, she stared doubtfully at herself in the mirror. Her face was pasty, with remnants of tear blotches, and her hair was untidy. Doesn't matter, she told herself ruthlessly. It's not like you're ever going to date the man again. Besides, he's seen you in worse. And he's waiting. She walked back to the front of the apartment and reluctantly opened all the locks. Clark was still there, as she'd known he would be, and he looked more than a little tired and disheveled himself. Not that it made any difference, she still thought he was gorgeous. Stifle it, she told herself. "Hi," he said softly, and waited for her to step aside so that he could enter the apartment. "I brought ice cream." She smiled involuntarily. "Chocolate, I hope?" She closed and relocked the door behind him. "Of course." He handed her the plastic grocery bag, and she took it, placing the contents in her freezer. Somehow she didn't crave it as much with Clark there. "How did you know I'd need this?" she asked, not really surprised by his thoughtfulness. "Well, I heard you hadn't been outside in days -- I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a crowd of tabloid vultures camped out in front of the building. Perry sent a few volunteers to help building security keep them out." "No, I hadn't noticed." Her eyes narrowed in anger and pain. "Disgusting bottom-feeders. Thank Perry for me, will you?" "We were all glad to help you, Lois," he replied softly. Lois turned away so he wouldn't see the tears welling up in her eyes. The thought of her co-workers -- she couldn't even honestly call many of them her friends -- volunteering to shield her from the aftermath of her own stupidity was a bit much for her weakened emotional state. She swallowed hard and fought for control. She'd been crying for days, there was no point in doing it anymore. She half-hoped, half-feared that Clark would try to touch her, or comfort her in some way, but he waited silently for her to get hold of herself, and she was grateful for his restraint. This was difficult, having him here. Best apologize now, and send him on his way. She cleared her throat. "Um, listen, Clark," she began, turning towards him but not quite looking him in the eye. "I was a little upset the other day, and I'm sorry I overreacted. All I could think was that you were alive, and he wasn't. Part of me blamed you for that. I know it sounds irrational, but--" "It's normal, Lois," he interrupted. "Besides," he added with gentle insight, "if you blamed me, you didn't have to blame yourself." She nodded, unwilling to trust her voice. He moved slightly towards her, his voice rising in intensity. "Lois, you shouldn't blame yourself! There was nothing you could have done." "I could have chosen differently," she retorted angrily, meeting his eyes at last. "I could have chosen Superman instead of you, did you want that? Aren't you happy that I chose you? You'd been wanting me to choose you for months, even before we started dating!" He closed his eyes briefly. "Lois, that was different, and you know it. And it was always a false choice anyway. Maybe I shouldn't have wanted that from you, but I was ... insecure." He met her eyes again, his own blazing with sincerity. "I *hate* seeing you suffer like this, Lois. What happened back there was not your fault, it was Tempus'. *He* gave you a false choice, too." She looked at him, shaken by the stirrings of hope. "What do you mean?" He touched her arm with his hand. "Lois, think back. Did you say 'please kill Superman for me'?" "Well, no..." she forced herself to remember clearly. "He was taunting me. Wasn't I in love with Superman, and who would miss you anyway. And ... and I said I would, and then, and then ... he pushed the button that released the gas." "Don't you see? He was going to kill Superman all along. He'd already used the Kryptonite. He just wanted to make you think it was your fault, but it wasn't." He stared at her, willing her to accept it, and repeated less intensely, "It wasn't." She stared at him for a moment longer, absorbing this, then her face crumpled as she began crying once more. He moved forward, and she fell into his arms, holding him tightly as she released her guilt at last. (to be continued) -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:50:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (3 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable STORY TITLE: Fate Worse Than Death PART: 3 of 5 AUTHORS: Pam Jernigan RATING: PG-13 FEEDBACK: All feedback, public and private, is welcome DESCRIPTION: Lois is forced to choose between Clark and Superman, with deadly results. Lois didn't know how long she'd been crying, but she didn't think it was very long. = The tears had done their job, though, finally -- they'd released the stress. Now a = sense of calm filled her. She sniffled, but refused to budge from the haven of = Clark's arms. Realizing that Tempus had tricked her into feeling responsible -- that Superman's death really *hadn't* been her fault -- had been such a relief that = she felt slightly dizzy from it. And, it slowly occurred to her, if she weren't guilty, = then there was no reason to send Clark away ... She looked up at him. He stirred in response to her movement, and let her pull back a few inches to = face him, but his arms remained secure around her. "Thank you," she = whispered. "You don't know--" "Shhh," he soothed, lifting one hand to smooth her hair back from her face. "It = took me a while to figure it out, but I know. You're the kind of person who makes = things happen, and takes responsibility. And then when there was nothing you = could do to fix it ... well, I knew it would drive you nuts." Lois regarded him steadily. When had he gotten to know her so well? = And why = had she ever wanted to keep him at any distance at all? "Clark," she said = quietly, "this is why I love you." He stared at her, an arrested expression on his face. "Lois?" She smiled briefly. "I love you. I don't know exactly when it happened or why I = took so long to admit it. Well, I suppose I had my reasons, but they don't seem = important any more." "Lois, I..." Clark seemed at a loss for words, but hope and joy flared in his eyes. She took pity on him. "Kiss me." A grin flashed across his face, before his head dipped and his mouth found hers. They had kissed before, of course. But those had been either ruses to distract, = or hesitant exploration. This ... Lois could only describe this kiss as *possessing* = her, but she didn't mind; she was possessing him, too. Her previous calm = evaporated, replaced by powerful stirrings of desire, a yearning for the most = primitive reaffirmation of life. She twisted in his embrace, needing more contact. = Almost of their own accord, her hands went to his jacket and began pulling it = down his arms. = He broke away from her for a moment, breathing heavily. "Are you sure?" She smiled, noting that he was busily taking off his jacket and tie even as he = gave her the opportunity to back out. "Absolutely. I need you, Clark, I--" He = interrupted her with another long kiss, and she gladly abandoned her sentence. = Her body felt flushed, positively scorched where he touched her, and she = welcomed the heat. They barely spoke as they stumbled towards the bedroom; clothes were = discarded with little finesse. There was no time for subtlety or foreplay, they = were both driven by the need to be together in the most intimate way possible, to = share their sorrow and bind themselves together. To reassure themselves and = each other that they were alive, and that life went on. Together. *** Afterwards, they lay quietly for awhile, stunned by the sudden onslaught and = quick resolution of their passion, their labored breathing the only sound in the = room. Clark tightened his arm slightly, to be sure that this wasn't a dream. Lois = was still wearing her sweatshirt, he noted wryly. So much for all his fantasies of = how carefully and thoroughly he'd make love to her, if given the chance. Well, = he'd make it up to her later. If there was a later... He propped his head on his hand and looked down at her, worried. She was = lying with her eyes closed, but with a big dreamy smile. Definitely an = improvement from when he'd entered the apartment, anyway. She opened her = eyes at his movement, and looked up at him, bringing a hand up to stroke his = face. = "That was ... unexpected," he stated cautiously. She laughed, her eyes twinkling. "It was wonderful." She cuddled closer, = pushing him over onto his back so that she could rest her head on his chest with = his arm around her. "We should have done that the first time we met." "What, you mean in Perry's office?" he asked, amused and relieved. "I wouldn't = have dared." "I should have, though." He considered that. "Yeah, maybe you should. I wouldn't have resisted, that's = for sure." She fell silent then, and he raised his head to check her expression. = It had gone = distant, and a little sad. "Lois?" She flashed a smile up at him, but it faded quickly. "Oh, I'm fine. I mean, I will = be fine. I was just thinking ... you know, about Superman. I will miss him." He swallowed painfully. "So will I, Lois, so will I." He'd had a long time to think = about it, these past few days. And it was time that he shared that with her -- he'd = intended to do so earlier than this, in fact. "And that reminds me. I have = something important to tell you." *** Lois looked enquiringly at her partner, best friend, and now, lover. = "What does = 'something important' mean? Please don't tell me you've got a wife and two kids = back in Kansas." She tilted her head back so that she could see him, but her = hand found his and held tight. He smiled crookedly, in that grin that she loved, and shook his head. = "Mom = would kill me. No. But I have been keeping a secret ... and I don't quite know = how to tell you." He paused, his expression damping down to neutral. = "I should = have told you a while ago, I guess, but it never seemed like the right time. I was = planning to tell you when I came over, but--" He gestured towards where they lay = tangled under the sheets, "I got distracted. It's kind of a moot point now, but you = should still know. It's part of me, a very secret part..." he ran out of steam, = staring at the rumpled sheets. "Clark, you're rambling," she told him. She could sympathize with his verbal = wanderings, though; she was having trouble thinking of much beyond the fact = that she was in love with -- and in bed with -- the most wonderful guy she knew. He sighed. "I know." He fiddled with the sheets again. "Well, you'll think I'm = crazy, but here goes. I am -- was -- Superman." That shocked her out of her dreamy state. "What?" She sat up on the bed, = drawing the sheets around her bare legs. He glanced her way briefly, before resuming his study of the sheets. = "Remember = how I used to run off all the time? That was to go slip into the tights and help = people. I know that sounds ridiculous." He laughed shortly, and she winced at = the bitterness and pain she heard in his voice. "I wish I could prove it to you, by = flying, or ... or setting something on fire with my heat vision--" "Please don't set anything on fire," she interjected automatically, but he went on = as if he hadn't heard her. "But I can't. That gold kryptonite that Tempus had really worked. I don't have a = single power left. So I figure you'll think I'm crazy. Or else you'll be really mad at = me." He sighed again, his spleen vented for the moment. "I just ... had to tell = you, that's all." "Clark, I appreciate that you're trying to make me feel better. But it's really not = necessary. I=92m okay now." He looked at her sideways, with a frustrated expression. "Lois, I'm not making = this up. Remember Diana Stride?" "You're telling me she was right?" She frowned. "But, but ... I saw you and = Superman at the press conference!" "That was a trick, Lois. C'mon, *think*! You're smart enough to put this all = together." He stared at her imploringly. She regarded him for a long moment, baffled by his insistence, then began to = consider the impossible. True, with his glasses off, he looked the part. This = would explain his odd behavior. And that bare chest ... well, that was too = distracting, but yes, she could imagine it under blue spandex. She had seen it = under blue spandex, in fact. Her mouth grew dry as she started to see the full, = impossible, totally obvious picture. = Now the question was, what to do with the information. She considered = screaming at him, but the past few days had been emotionally exhausting, and = she just couldn't muster the energy to be mad. Come to think of it... "Clark, I'm ... sorry for your loss. This must be awful for you." He looked startled. "You believe me now? You're not mad?" She shook her head, then smiled ruefully. "It's not worth the effort to be mad. = And ... I just realized." Her smile widened with delight. "Superman's not really = dead, after all." "Yes, he is, Lois," Clark insisted. "I can't do any of that stuff anymore." "I know," she soothed, "but you're still the guy I spent all that time with ... that I = gave a rose to ... that saved my life." She leaned forward, touching his chest, = looking him directly in the eye. "I loved the man in the suit, you know, not just the = powers. I'm so glad that my friend isn't gone." He stared at her, then slowly smiled. "And *this* is why I love you, Lois. You = always surprise me." "Good," she smiled sassily, "then we won't be bored." "Never," he agreed, and reached out to pull her head down for a kiss. = It was a = leisurely exploration, this time, broken only when Lois sat bolt upright again. "Clark ... if that wasn't really Superman that Tempus killed, who was it?" "I honestly have no idea." He shook his head. "I spent the last two days in = Kansas -- took a commercial jet, and found out that I *hate* to fly that way -- = talking to my folks, getting my memory back." At her inquiring look, he explained, = "When I came to after the Kryptonite exposure, I didn't remember a lot of stuff, = including about Superman. My parents had to fill me in, and then things started = coming back. Anyway, I was out of town until this morning, so I haven't had a = chance to investigate. Plus, I needed my partner." She smiled. "Well, partner, I think that Lane and Kent will figure it out." "We can't print it, you know," he pointed out anxiously. "There are more than a = few people who'd like to get revenge--" "Clark!" she protested indignantly. "I'm not stupid all the time, you know." "Hardly ever, in fact," he backed down quickly. "You're the smartest woman I = know." He hesitated. "You just had one little blind spot, is all." She kissed him as a reward for that sop to her ego. "Well, together, we can take = on the world. First off, I doubt Tempus set this all up by himself." "He had a flunky when he grabbed me, anyway; I remember it a little." "We might be able to find him, then, although we probably shouldn't get the = police involved, in case he knows who the other guy was. And the next thing will = be to get hold of the autopsy reports." He shook his head. "According to the news, there won't be an autopsy -- = something about respect and dignity." "Ah." Lois looked at the half-naked ex-superhero sprawled on her bed. = "Yep, = dignity is important to you, I can tell." Clark grinned. "That was the Superman side of me; Clark Kent never had any = dignity to start with. So whatever dignity I had is getting buried tomorrow." He = stretched, getting comfortable. "I won't miss it." "Yeah, about the funeral," she took a deep breath. "We probably ought to go." He grimaced distaste. "Yeah, I suppose so." He pulled her down next to him = once more, and she adjusted herself so that she could rest her head on his = chest. "And then we can start investigating. It's going to be a long day." He = hesitated, then offered, "I should probably go." She tightened her hold on him, and smiled. "No way, Clark. We've got a lot of = lost time to make up for." They didn't get a lot of sleep that night, but Clark was able to fulfill not just one, = but several of his long-held fantasies. (to be continued) -- = ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net = ChiefPam on IRC | = ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:51:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (4 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STORY TITLE: Fate Worse Than Death PART: 4 of 5 AUTHORS: Pam Jernigan RATING: PG-13 FEEDBACK: All feedback, public and private, is welcome DESCRIPTION: Lois is forced to choose between Clark and Superman, with deadly results. Superman's funeral was as grand as the City of Metropolis could make it. A somber procession, headed by the casket, wended its way through the streets >from City Hall down to Metropolis Park where the burial would take place. Plans were already underway to commission a statue in the hero's honor, and several national notables were on hand to make speeches. Since Superman's religion, or lack thereof, was unknown, the actual ceremony would be led by the state Supreme Court's Chief Justice, with an assortment of clergymen saying their own manner of prayers in the background. Lois and Clark didn't attempt to follow the procession, but they did have decent seats among the hurriedly-assembled chairs in the park, courtesy of Perry White. The Daily Planet had been given special consideration in honor of the paper's "special relationship" with Superman. Clark held Lois' hand tightly, needing her support to get through this. He was more than a little embarrassed at the fulsome praise heaped upon his alter-ego, but mostly he was aware of a suffocating feeling of loss. Only a week ago, he'd been able to soar where others walked, to help when others were helpless. Now his powers were gone, but the urge to help remained full force, and his new limitations were difficult to accept. As they waited for the ceremony to begin, they heard a police siren off in the distance, in the direction of Suicide Slum. Clark started, then sat back, a muscle twitching in his jaw. "Clark?" Lois asked quietly, squeezing his hand. "Are you okay?" "Yeah," he replied bitterly. "I'm fine. I just--" He stopped himself, resolutely determined not to fall into self-pity. Lois rubbed his still-healing arm with her other hand. "I know," she offered in a low voice, leaning near. "But you know, you can still make a difference. You just have to do it in a different way. You've done great things by writing for the Planet, too. Remember those nursing homes, last year? You rescued those people, too, and you can still do that." He looked at her then, realizing that she was right, and grateful beyond words that she loved him. "I'd forgotten ... thank you, Lois." It wouldn't be the same, but his inner tension eased nonetheless. He'd seen Lois use the written word to perform great deeds for justice; if that was the best that he could do, he'd do it the best that he could. Lois looked off to the east, trying to see signs of the approaching procession. She stood, and he stood with her. She shook her head. "I still can't see them. Let's go for a walk for a little bit, I'm too restless to sit still." Clark asked Jimmy to keep their seats clear for them, then followed his love as she plunged into the milling masses, looking for a story, or at least a distraction. It seemed as if most of Metropolis had come out today, which was all the more impressive considering that there was rain in the forecast. Clark's mind wandered back to the previous night, and he had to grin. Despite his loss, despite the pain Lois had gone through, they had come together ... and that was worth the cost. It had been very hard to leave the apartment this morning, but Lois had insisted. Perhaps it would do them both good to say goodbye to Superman -- not to his body, of course, but to his existence. Lois dragged his attention back to the present with a swift jab in the ribs. "What is it?" She pointed. "See that short guy there? We met him once, when Bonnie and Clyde were running around; he ran a lookalike agency." Clark nodded, dredging up the details from memory. "Sammy, right? We were trying to find where they'd gotten their costumes, and then I had to go stop them >from holding up a bank." "Was that what it was? Well, whatever. I wonder what he's doing here? He didn't seem the type." "Look, just because he thought you looked like Madonna..." Clark teased, but at that moment the man saw them, and his face lit up. "Hey! I know you two," he said, moving over to have a chat. Lois started to turn away, but Clark caught her arm to keep her where she was. It wouldn't hurt them to talk to him for a moment. "Don't tell me, let me guess," Sammy told them. "I never forget a face ... ah, I got it! You're the two reporters." "You read our work?" Lois asked skeptically. "Nah, I don't have time, too busy. But you came in one day, asking questions..." Sammy looked them over closely, then focused on Clark. "Hey, you know, you kinda look like Superman." Clark shrugged, trying hard to look casual. "If you say so." "Yeah... you couldda made some money off of that, but it's too late now, of course. I been scrambling to try to find other gigs for Barry; now I finally found one, and I can't find Barry! I tell ya, if it's not one thing it's another, huh?" Clark's hard-won reporter's instincts took notice of that. "Barry?" he asked. "Wait," Lois interjected, throwing a speaking glance at Clark, "Wasn't he the Superman lookalike we met?" "You met him? Oh yeah, I remember," Sammy chuckled. "You're the one who said he didn't look right -- you had a picture of Superman in your purse." She started to flush, then caught Clark's eye and straightened, smiling faintly. "Yeah, that was me. Superman was a friend of mine." "Yeah, I bet," Sammy countered jovially, then looked around and sobered, reminded of the funeral. "Anyway, yeah, that's Barry." "When did you last see him?" Lois asked, a bit urgently for Clark's taste. He didn't want to tip anyone off, if this was what they apparently both thought it was. "About a week ago, I think. I called him yesterday to let him know I had a job for him, but the guy never called me back! I can't hold this job forever, you know, I got a professional image to maintain." "And I'm sure you do that very well," Clark reassured him, somewhat at random. "But I'm afraid we have to go now. Good to see you, Sammy." He dragged Lois back towards their seats. She put up with being dragged just long enough to get away from Sammy, then tugged on his arm to stop him. "Are you thinking what I'm thinking?" Clark glanced around, no one appeared to be paying attention to them. "That Tempus killed Barry?" he asked, sotto voice. "Yeah. We'll never be able to prove it, though." "No. But we can find out when he was last seen." She closed her eyes briefly. "I wish this were better news. It's awful that the poor guy might have been killed just as ... a side-effect! He died because of us, Clark. I feel so guilt--" Clark held up a hand to stop her. "I know exactly how you feel, but ... you can't feel guilty, Lois, and neither can I," he stated firmly. "We didn't kill him, Tempus did." After a long moment, she sighed and nodded. "You're right. Thanks, Clark. What would I do without you?" "Let's hope we never have to find out," he replied gravely, and pulled her close for a long, sweet kiss. They parted, and Lois smiled up at him. "Love you." "Love you, too." He hesitated, knowing how skittish she was on this topic, then plunged ahead. "So ... you wanna get married?" She stared up at him, her brown eyes wide with shock, as her former confidence fled. "Married? You want to marry me? Why?" she blurted out, in a near panic. "I mean, I'm a workaholic, and I'm not very patient -- some people have even called me difficult, can you believe it, well, of course you can, you've been there ... and I can't cook -- I mean it, seriously, if it's not chocolate, or maybe pasta, you do not want me anywhere near it in the preparation stages ... and my last couple of relationships were, well, disasters, and I just don't think I'm very good at this relationship stuff." Clark smiled. "Lois, I have known you for two years now; I know all about your difficult sides. And I can cook. I'll have to use potholders now, but I'm sure I can manage. And you don't have to be good at relationships with other men -- I'd kind of rather you weren't, actually," he grinned, then continued. "You just have to relate to me. And from what I've seen, you've got that one covered." Slowly, she relaxed against his encircling arms, and smiled tentatively. "I notice you didn't deny the difficult personality part." Clark laughed. "I'm in love, not stupid." She stuck her tongue out at him, then laughed in return. "Well, if you're sure you know what you're letting yourself in for ... yes, Clark, I'll marry you. But we should have a long engagement, just in case," she added hastily. "Whatever you say, Lois," Clark agreed happily. "Whatever you say." *** The long engagement lasted only a month, while Clark persuaded Lois that he wasn't about to change his mind. After they married, they settled into a townhouse in the city. With time, Clark came to terms with the loss of his powers, rechannelling his energies into investigating and uncovering injustice in a more down-to-earth fashion. And at Lois's instigation, they became involved with a few local charities, volunteering their time in soup kitchens, mentoring programs, and downtown shelters. Their volunteer work fulfilled a need for Clark ... and wasn't a bad way to meet new snitches and sources, either, which helped them to get even more stories. Lane and Kent were the hottest reporting team in town. On this particular night, three months after the wedding, Lois was watching Clark cook dinner. As usual. He enjoyed the process of creating meals, even at normal speed, and she enjoyed watching him. He was chopping vegetables for stir-fry, and being extra careful. He'd cut his fingers more than once in the past few months, and hadn't seemed to enjoy the experience. Lois glanced at her watch. "How's it coming, sweetheart? I don't want to rush you, but we've got to get going soon if we want to make it to the Neighborhood Watch meeting tonight." "Almost done," he replied, kissing her as she passed him on her way to the refrigerator. "And it takes no time to cook this stuff -- ow!" "What'd you do this time?" Lois asked, amused. Years of invulnerability hadn't taught him much caution, and at first she had been extremely sympathetic to each of his accidents. They never seemed much worse than papercuts, though, so she'd eventually been able to tone down her reaction to a more appropriate level. "I caught my finger again," he replied, but his voice sounded odd -- strained -- and she turned to see how he was. She didn't see any blood. "You look okay to me." He didn't reply, staring at his finger in disbelief. "Clark? What is it?" Slowly, deliberately, he lifted the knife again, and brought it down, hard, on his finger. Lois winced and started towards him. "Clark, are you crazy? Let me find the band-aids." He turned towards her then, and she stopped short, caught by the excitement in his eyes. "No, it's okay. My finger isn't hurt." She frowned. "But I saw you--" she stopped as enlightenment dawned. "You're invulnerable?" "Yes, yes, yes!" He grinned broadly and caught her up in an exuberant hug, spinning her around. "What else can I do, I wonder?" Lois smiled back, dizzy with exhilaration. "Heat vision?" She glanced around frantically, looking for something expendable. "A-ha! Here, zap this." She pointed out the glass of ice water she'd just poured for herself. He lowered his glasses and stared at it intently. As Lois watched, holding her breath, the ice began to melt, and a minute later, the water started to bubble. "It's working! You're back!" He pushed his glasses back up, his grin returning. "I can't believe it, I just can't believe it." "But it's true!" Lois hugged him again. "Oh, I'm so happy for you! Can you fly?" Clark frowned for a minute, then shook his head. "No ... I don't seem to have enough energy. It was harder to do the heat vision than I remembered, too, but I wasn't sure about that." "It'll come back to you," Lois predicted happily. "Just wait a few days, I bet, and you'll be back to your old self." "Only better," he replied, his eyes warming as he bent down for a kiss. "Because I have you." Lois moaned agreement against his open mouth, and they lost themselves in the moment. Eventually, however, Clark pulled away, a serious look crossing his face. "Lois ... let's go sit on the couch." "Okay." She checked to make sure the stove was turned off, then followed her husband over to the living room, and sat on his lap. "What's up?" "I was just thinking," he explained hesitantly, "about my old self. The guy who used to dash off at inopportune times. Who couldn't make plans because he didn't know what emergencies might come up. The one who had to live a lie. It wasn't all good, Lois. I mean, yeah, I've missed the powers, but I also really enjoy our life. We work together, we volunteer together--" "We sleep together," she reminded him, to lighten the mood. He grinned. "That's definitely the best part. But don't you see?" His grin slipped away. "If I become Superman again, things are going to change. I won't be able to spend as much time with you, and I hate that idea. And ... we're married now; this can't be my decision alone." She cocked her head. "You're asking my permission?" "No," he denied, "I'm ... I'm seeking consensus. This affects both of us, we need to agree about it." "Yeah, you're right, I guess. I hadn't really considered the downside." She fell silent for a moment, trying to ignore the corner of her heart that was singing with joy. She remembered the days when Clark's disappearing act had hurt and angered her. It would be different now, of course, but he was right -- this was bound to be inconvenient at times, to say the least. Every advantage matched by a disadvantage. And Clark probably would try to contain himself if she wanted him to. Her response now would have far-reaching consequences. She took a deep breath. "Clark, I love you. I love our life, too, and I hate change. But ... I've watched you, these last few months. You've driven yourself to do as much good as any one human being could reasonably do, and that still wasn't enough for you. I've seen you mourn when you hear about disasters. Part of what I love about you is your character. And your character demands that you help others, to the best of your abilities. Superman is what allows you to do that." She paused. "I adore you for worrying about me, but you have to do this. "Besides," she quirked a smile. "If you suppress your abilities for my sake, then I really would be responsible for killing Superman. And I'm not willing to do that." He looked at her, then slowly smiled. "Oh, you're good." She grinned. "I know. But forget the disadvantages for now." She stood, and extended a hand towards him. He took it, standing next to her. "Right now, I want to take my newly super-powered husband for a spin. I've got a few Superman fantasies that we never got to do." "I am at your service," he replied, grinning. He carefully picked her up, and then the world blurred as he sped them into the bedroom. (to be continued) -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:52:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit STORY TITLE: Fate Worse Than Death PART: 5 of 5 AUTHORS: Pam Jernigan RATING: PG-13 FEEDBACK: All feedback, public and private, is welcome DESCRIPTION: Lois is forced to choose between Clark and Superman, with deadly results. SUPERMAN LIVES! by Lois Lane & Clark Kent Metropolis -- Four months after the superhero's body was found and buried, Superman has mysteriously reappeared, assisting in several areas around the city. So far he has given no explanation of either his apparent death or his resurrection, promising to explain all at a press conference scheduled for tomorrow morning at City Hall. So far, however, this Superman appears to be the genuine article; exhibiting both the abilities and attitudes of the city's most beloved citizen. The first sighting of the returned hero was in the harbor early this morning as a foundering ship was rescued... The following morning, in the kitchen of the townhouse, Lois put the paper down with a smile of satisfaction. "You know, it's so much easier to do Superman stories this way!" Clark grinned at her. "I know." She smacked his arm lightly. "Well, from now on, Kent, when you cheat, it's gonna be *with* me. I can think of lots of ways that superpowers could come in handy -- and don't tell me you've already been using them, 'cause I prefer to think of this as my own inspiration." His grin slipped into a smirk. "Yes, dear." Lois rolled her eyes. "Never mind. When are you planning to show up at City Hall?" He shrugged. "I thought I'd be fashionably late. That way we can arrive together, and be seen together for a little bit. And when I fly in, all the cameras will be in place -- the more pictures they take, the more people will be convinced that it's really me." "Makes sense." She stood, and tidied away her breakfast dishes. "Well, if they can't start without us, we'd better get going!" *** Perry had already assigned them both to cover Superman's return, so they headed directly for City Hall, and spent a few moments mingling with the crowd of print and media journalists milling around waiting for the conference to begin. After they'd established their joint attendance, however, they made their way to one side of the crowd. "Think enough people are here?" Lois asked him, scanning the crowd. "Yeah, I think so," he replied, his hand straying to his tie. "Time for me to fade away." "Don't be gone long." She smiled up at him. "Your public awaits." He stepped away, then stopped, arrested by a stray thought. "Do you have any idea how nice it is to be able to do this without lying to you? I always hated that..." "This way is definitely better," she agreed, smiling to cover the sudden mistiness in her eyes. "But, looking back ... some of your excuses were hilarious." "Thanks -- I think. I'd better go..." he leaned down to kiss her briefly, then faded to the back of the crowd. Lois faced the podium, which was bristling with at least twenty different microphones from different news organizations, and took a deep breath. This would actually be the first time she'd seen Superman in action since before he "died", and she wasn't sure what to expect. She'd come to know Clark very well in the past months, but she didn't have much experience with this side of him. Yesterday, she'd woken up in the middle of the night to find him gone ... that had been just a little lonely. Clark was so happy to have his powers back, though, that she could only be happy for him. She just had to focus on the positive side of the situation. The excitement of the crowd alerted her to Superman's approach. She watched him fly slowly towards City Hall and settle in behind the podium, looking completely businesslike and reserved. She felt a thrill at his appearance, and realized that she had missed Superman. And at that thought, for a brief moment, her mind refused to accept the notion that this was Clark -- her *husband* -- that she was seeing. Then he glanced her way, very briefly, and she steadied. Yes. She knew him. Superman held his hands up to quiet the barrage of questions, and the crowd slowly quieted. "Thank you," he said, his voice clear and strong, pitched to carry. "I have a statement to make. When I'm finished, I'll answer a few questions. First of all, I am the real Superman. I regret that I've been absent for so long, but it was not my choice. I was not killed four months ago, but I was incapacitated. It has taken me this long to heal; I've returned to help out just as quickly as I could." He hesitated, then continued. "I know that I've been missed in these past few months. There were situations where my help was needed. Believe me, I wanted to assist, but I was simply unable to do so." He paused again, and numerous hands waved as reporters signaled questions. He pointed. "Lois?" "Thank you, Superman," she smiled. They had agreed that an exclusive interview with Superman would tie her too closely to him, so as a compromise he'd promised to let her ask the first question, instead. She was ready. "If that's not you buried in Metropolis Park -- and I think we're all glad it's not -- who is it?" He nodded acknowledgement. "His name was Barry Wilson. He was a brave man, and his death gave me the chance to recover in peace. He didn't intend to die, but he was in his own right a hero, and I hope the city will take that into account when deciding what to do about the grave and monument. Next question?" He took a moment to decide whose question to take next, and Lois hid a smile. Perfect answer, Clark. Enough information to get them digging, but they'll never be able to come up with the details as fast as the Daily Planet. Of course, it helped that Lois and Clark had thoroughly investigated Barry four months ago. Superman picked a television reporter for the next question. "David?" "Superman, who did this to you? And what's been done about it?" "His name was Tempus," Superman replied. "He claimed to be a time traveler, and he certainly had access to unusual devices. I have not yet been able to take any action against him, but I will be pursuing the matter now. As far as I know, however, he poses no current threat to Metropolis. Connie?" "How exactly were you incapacitated?" "I hope you'll understand that I'd rather not say." He flashed a smile. "I believe the threat has disappeared, but still, I'd hate to give anyone any ideas." He answered a few more questions, evading some pertinent details, and then excused himself to deal with an emergency across town. Lois watched him fly off with a lump in her throat. She'd forgotten how flat-out impressive he could be. It was good to see him back in action. As the crowd broke up, Lois overheard two women commenting on Superman's physique. She felt a brief flash of jealousy, but then realized that was unnecessary, and stifled a grin. Eat your hearts out, she thought smugly. He's all that and more, but he's *mine*. *** They had just finished dinner that evening when the doorbell rang. They exchanged puzzled glances, and Lois mimed pulling down glasses. Thus reminded, Clark x-rayed the entranceway and shrugged. "I don't recognize -- wait, I do know who it is." He hurried towards the door and opened it. "Mr. Wells!" The little man looked up and smiled. He was still wearing the strangely formal black suit they'd seen him in last time. "Mr. Kent," he smiled, and stepped inside, looking around. "Ms. Lane! Or, should I say, Mrs. Kent?" "Lois will be fine, thanks," she replied, curious. "Thank you, and may I say that you're looking a great deal better?" Lois smiled wryly. "You didn't meet me at my best." "Quite understandable. Well, I apologize for taking so long to get back to you, but I needed a little help configuring my time machine to work with this new alternate universe." Lois and Clark exchanged raised eyebrow looks of inquiry, and Lois crossed the room to stand next to her husband. "Well, you see," he tried to explain, "when Tempus succeeded in his little scheme -- however temporarily -- he caused a big enough disruption to split reality. There is another universe in which he didn't even get close to you, in which the Utopian Peace Keepers were a great deal more efficient in catching up with him. In that universe, at this time, the two of you are not quite engaged yet, although you -- they -- will get there. And fortunately, those two will avert the curse, and since that is shared history between these two universes, you don't need to worry about it." He coughed. "As you've already proven. But that hardly matters now. I simply dropped by to let you know that Tempus has been incarcerated -- more securely this time, one hopes -- and to congratulate you on Superman's return." He beamed at them, then, as if that all made perfect sense. "Ah ... Tempus is locked up?" Lois asked, trying to pick out the important part. "Yes, yes, indeed. The Utopians don't quite believe in prisons, you know, having little need of them, so they were unprepared to take custody of him at first. However, they do learn, and they're taking him more seriously now." "As long as he can't bother us -- or anyone -- anymore, that's good enough for me," Clark stated rather grimly, and his arm tightened around Lois's waist. "Yes, quite. At any rate, I just wished to inform you that he's been taken care of. And the gold Kryptonite has been safely disposed of, along with all the laboratory notes used to document its creation. So you needn't worry about that." Lois and Clark shared a wary look. "Thank you," Lois spoke up. "We'll let Superman know when we see him." Mr. Wells peered at her in concern. "Dear me, don't you know?" He looked disapprovingly at Clark. "I would have thought you'd have told her by now." "Told her what?" Clark asked, not giving anything away. "My dear boy, I understand why you didn't tell her before, but the two of you are married now! You can't keep secrets like this, it isn't right!" Lois frowned, working her way through this. Somehow, this little man seemed to know about Superman ... well, he did say he was a time traveler. "How did you find out?" she challenged him. He looked back at her, his expression clearing. "I've been to the future," he said simply. "Superman -- and his wife -- were the foundation of their society, their ideals and values. Your secret should be safe for a great while longer, but eventually the truth will out. And that, of course, is why Tempus targeted you. He hated the peace and harmony, and wished to destroy it before it began. By crippling you physically," he nodded first at Clark, then at Lois "and you, my dear, emotionally, he hoped to prevent your union and, thus, your impact on the future. Fortunately for us all, his psychology was as flawed as his science." "I guess that makes sense," Lois conceded, "in a twisted sort of way." She leaned against Clark to reassure herself of his presence, and he folded his arms around her in a sideways hug. Mr. Wells looked away, seeming slightly embarrassed by their intimacy. "I must be going now, I'm afraid." He rose and headed for the door, and the Kents followed. "I wish you every happiness," he assured them earnestly, shaking both their hands, and then he was gone. Clark closed the door behind him and stood there for a second, dazed by the visit. "That was interesting." "Tell me about it. Not that I understood half of what he said." Lois reseated herself on the couch, and Clark joined her. "Did he say we have alternate selves, in another universe, who never went through ... what we did?" "I think so. And if so ... that Clark never lost his powers." he sounded wistful. "Yeah ... I bet they didn't have half the trouble we did in putting all the Church family in jail. And I imagine Barry is still alive and well." She frowned, and he tightened his arm around her in comfort. "I know," he agreed softly. They had both grieved over that death. She cleared her throat, then steered the conversation back to less painful ground. "But then again, I bet Superman got in the way of their personal lives, if they're only now getting engaged." He considered that. "I bet you're right. All things considered, I think I prefer our universe." She frowned, still thinking of Barry, but then set that aside to consider their relationship. If Superman's "death" hadn't shocked her out of her indecision, how long would it have taken her to make up her mind? How many more times would Clark's disappearances have hurt her? The experience had been intensely painful, but she had grown, because of it. She would bring Barry back to life if she could, but she wouldn't trade any other part of her journey. Getting to this place in her life had been worth it. Clark was worth it. She turned in her seat to smile up at him. "Yeah. Me too." THE END -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:23:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having suffered through this on the message board in its first incarnation and now reading this, I can say without a doubt that you've really improved it, although the first version was riveting, too. Good work, Pam. But when do we get to see the *other* version you posted there? Nan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:43:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: oh, for the love of Pam! In-Reply-To: <199909110229.WAA02957@mail1.mia.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Maggie wrote: >First of all, with all due respect to >Melisma, one of the sweetest folcs >I know..... Awe...! :D It's nice you regard me so, but I can think of several who are sweeter - you know who you are, I hope... >Give me a moment while >I plant my tongue firmly in my cheek, >here goes.....Melisma, sweetums, >How *dare* ye declare >thyself Pam's #1 Fan??? Um, Maggie darling, I can declare myself Pam's Number One Fan for the simple reason that there is a fan club called Pam's Number One Fan Club, of which I am a member. *All* members are called Pam's Number One Fan, and we don't have any arguments as to who is her biggest fan as a result. If you would like to join us, you would be very welcome :) >Dear girl, >that title has been *taken*, _spoken for_, >*O*w*n*e*d* and O*p*e*r*a*t*e*d* [if I could >use neon I would!] by Yours Truly since >the beginning of time, in Alternate Universes, >Parallel Time Lines and throughout the >Cyberspace Continuum! Melisma, tsk, tsk, >for _shaaaamee_ /me apologizes for the copyright infringement, but since we use it in a *slightly* different manner than you do, I wonder if we can come to an equitable settlement... >of Pam's Greatness> You get no argument from me there :D >I am however, delighted to invite you >to join the Jernigan Admiration Society, >of which, I am the founding member and >Chief Executive Officer. Hey, I can be President of the Pam's Number One Fan Club and a member of the Jernigan Admiration Society at the same time, can't I? Do any of you other Pam's Number One Fans have any objections? No? Okay, Maggie - I hereby submit my membership application... >Raise your right hand and repeat after >me: /me raises right hand and listens carefully >Whereas, we love Superman and Furthermore adhere to his principles of >living, flying and loving (beyond all measure...hehehe) Whereas, we love Superman and Furthermore adhere to his principles of living, flying and loving (beyond all measure...hehehe) /me wonders if the snicker is really needed tho... >Whereas, we are united in our adoration of Waffy Endings >and Suspenseful Cliffhangers Whereas, we are united in our adoration of Waffy Endings and Suspenseful Cliffhangers /me mutters under her breath, 'They tell me *I'm* good at cliffhangers, anyway...' >Whereas, we as patrons of the FanFiction Goddess Hall >of Fame worship Pam regularly ensuring a continuous >and abundant supply of PamFiction, Whereas, we as patrons of the FanFiction Goddess Hall of Fame worship Pam regularly ensuring a continuous and abundant supply of PamFiction, /me fervently wishes and begs the Great Chief to get busy and write some more >I do hereby agree to uphold and protect our >official Motto: I do hereby agree to uphold and protect our official Motto: /me marvels - this CEO really has her club well organized! >Truth, Justice and the Jernigan way. Truth, Justice and the Jernigan way. /me sighs - *that* I can live with! >If you have not read the story, I wouldn't want to spoil >it for you, I would however, ask you, what in heavens >you would be waiting for!?!? Another Elvis sighting >at Graceland!?!? Nope, just a little free time - whatever the heck *that* is. Heading over to the archive right now, since I just discovered I don't have it in my personal archive yet. A note to any of you patient watchers of this little drama: please, I *know* that my archive is incomplete. If you know of a wonderful story that I might have missed, please let me know. I'd love it if you wrote me privately with the info, so we don't clutter up the list with stuff everyone but me knows already. Send me the name of the fic, the author, and where I can find it. Thanks... >Sorry, when I get agitated, I hear Perry voices in my head ;o) Oh goodie! I'm not the only one, then :) >As I was saying...Dearest Folcies, this story is >*not to be missed*....when you can recognize Tempus >>from his speech alone, when you can feel the anguish >in Lois's voice and see the gentleness in Clark's eyes, >when you wonder, "how the heck are they gonna get >out of this one!?!?" When you see Lois Babble and >Clark Ramble in the name of love, dears, when >all these wondrous elements are found *together* >cohesively tied around a shocking beginning, a cliff-hanging- >page-turning-middle and a waffy ending....When >you see this....You *know* you are in the presence >of greatness. /me runs quickly to download and read this fic :) >caliber of Authors we are graced with, >Fan Fiction Gods and Goddesses it is an honor >to know, love and drool over. I hope you all >realize, how truly wonderful you all are and >how much joy your writing contributes >to this here little planet.> I can't disagree here. And must add to Maggie's words by saying that we novice writers hang on you experienced writers' every word, and get mightily inspired by you. We may not always tell you that we appreciate you, because maybe we think you should *know* it, but we do... Anyway, back to lurkdom, quietly trying to get caught up on my reading, and marveling at the talents of Pam, Wendy, Zoom, Irene, Tank, Sheila, Phil, and all the other great FoLC writers whose names I'm not remembering all of a sudden, but whose writing I simply adore. If I don't soon get back to you individually with specific feedback, know that I really *do* appreciate your work - your efforts are not in vain, and hopefully RL will allow me to write to you soon and tell you so. Melisma /who is proud to be a member of a whole *heap* of Number One Fan Clubs here in FoLCdom. If you are starting a new one, let me know, cuz chances are, I have one or would be interested in joining yours :D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:33:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rich & Dawn Subject: NKerth Voting Booth now open MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Irene, Dawn and the rest of the Nkerth staff are pleased to announce that the voting booth is now open! www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/7378/vote.html or visit the main NKerth page at: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/7378/nkerth.html All votes must be in by September 30, and please, only one vote per category, and one vote form per person. Congratulations and good luck to all the nominees. Any questions, please contact Irene or Dawn at nKerth@yahoo.com Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:32:31 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Nan, > Having suffered through this on the message board in its first incarnation Hey, I warned you to avoid the first few parts til there was more of it available Not my fault if your willpower gave out prematurely > I can say without a doubt that you've really improved it, > although the first version was riveting, too. Good work, Pam. Thank you, that's very kind. I really didn't change much, just fleshed it out in various spots. > But when do we > get to see the *other* version you posted there? When I 'flesh' that version out Right now, there's only one nfic paragraph, and I'd hate to put anyone to any trouble over that, so I do plan to add a few more bits. Just have to find the time... -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:49:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just so long as *that* version isn't forgotten. I saw the debate raging on the message boards about feedback for the S5/S6 stories. I think you're right. Readers tend to send feedback to the site rather than the individual authors. I did, not knowing any better. You can tell Shiela that I, at least, thought they were fantastic, and I'm only sorry that it's ending. Her writing tends to make me feel completely incompetant, but that's my old insecurity talking again. Anyway, she shouldn't feel hurt. I'm certain that her stories were very much liked. The whole series is fantastic; almost as good as having the show back again, if not quite. But close, very close. Nan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:56:32 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: kubitc Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit S P O I L E R S P A C E << Jonathan looked across the room at his wife. "Martha, get the bat. We're going to Metropolis." >> LOL! Great job overall, Pam! Like some others, I don't frequent the fanfic message boards often (I'm lucky to keep up with list mail sometimes, considering my class schedule), so this is the first I've seen of this story. Until you mentioned Barry, I had no idea where you were going with the story :) I also loved your ending, with Lois and Clark happy not to be in the "alt" (our) universe. It usually goes the other way, so this was a clever turn ;) You make me want to get back to work on my own writing... -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu * * * * * * * * * * "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:02:38 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Alicia Utowski Subject: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also saw the debate on the message boards regarding feedback for S5/S6. I have to say, that I thought both "seasons" were absolutely incredible. The reason I did not send feedback to any of the authors or write a review for any of the episodes is because I felt so inferior to all of the talented writers that wrote the stories. I know that is a stupid reason not to send feedback, but I think I thought that they recieved enough feedback telling them how great their episodes were, and didn't need to hear it from some little person like me. That is the same reason I don't send feedback to many authors. I know that I sit in front of my laptop for hours at a time, neglecting everything else, and read and reread all of the episodes, just like I watch Lois and Clark. Alicia ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:24:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback In-Reply-To: <640a554d.250c1d6e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:02 PM -0400 9/11/99, Alicia Utowski wrote: >I think I thought that they recieved enough feedback telling >them how great their episodes were, and didn't need to hear it from some >little person like me. Hi Alicia, I'm really glad you enjoyed the episodes. :) For the record, though ... I received exactly 4 private emails from people about "Movers and Shakers", and one of those was from a fellow S6 writer. ;) On this listserv, there were four more posts, again one of which from another S6 writer. So, no, we definitely don't have so many people writing us that we don't want to hear from you or other readers. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:40:22 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Season 5 and Season 6 Writers, Please forgive me for being so ungrateful as not to write and thank you for the wonderful episodes you have given us. I sit and enjoy these fics over and over, and never stop to send feedback. How can you keep going?? Just like those generous grandmothers who send wonderful gifts to selfish grandchildren who run off clutching their treasures, never bothering to write the thank you notes..... I am continually amazed by the progidgious amount of quality fics that I feel blessed to read, free of charge (never mind the frequent trips to Staples for printer cartridges.....I like to print them out....thanks again to Pam's wonderful arial 7pt, double columned, double sided trick that cuts waaaaayyyyy back on the paper....).and curl up under my covers and indulge myself in a bit more of the Lois and Clark lore. As I was reading Phil's most recent offering, I was struck again by the wonderful writing of these talented folcs. You transport us to Metropolis so seemingly effortlessly. Thank you all again and again for your time and talent and willingness to give to people that you don't know. Kate the Maryland one ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:19:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So write, girl, write! Nan kubitc wrote: > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > P > A > C > E > > << Jonathan looked across the room at his wife. "Martha, get the bat. We're > going to Metropolis." >> > > LOL! > > Great job overall, Pam! Like some others, I don't frequent the fanfic message > boards often (I'm lucky to keep up with list mail sometimes, considering my > class schedule), so this is the first I've seen of this story. Until you > mentioned Barry, I had no idea where you were going with the story :) I also > loved your ending, with Lois and Clark happy not to be in the "alt" (our) > universe. It usually goes the other way, so this was a clever turn ;) You make > me want to get back to work on my own writing... > > -Christy > kubitc@kenyon.edu > > * * * * * * * * * * > "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:33:43 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback In-Reply-To: <640a554d.250c1d6e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>I think I thought that they recieved enough feedback telling them how great their episodes were, and didn't need to hear it from some little person like me. <<<< After Mirror, Mirror was posted, I complained to Kathy that I hadn't received any feedback, and she suggested I post and ask for some. So, nine days after it was released on the fanfic list and on Pam's S6 mirror site, I saw someone on Zoom's fanfic board ask when the story was going to be released, so I immediately gave the URL to Pam's site and added a plea for feedback. Thank God the people on Zoom's fanfic message board responded. If I'd waited to hear from the fanfic list, I'd still be waiting. I did eventually get a handful of comments addressed to me privately, but that was it. I finally read the guest book for S6 and found a few more. Then when I went on IRC, I got more comments yet (I'm glad I log automatically ). I guess for me that explains why some people may choose not to post to the fanfic list. I figured that the only point in doing so was to get feedback >from your readers . . . and if you're not getting any, why bother? I know some of you think, "Jeez, doesn't she know by now that she writes well and that we like her stuff?" This will probably sound crazy to you, but people almost always mention that they love "A Shot in the Dark," which is the first L&C story I ever wrote. They usually say that it's their favorite piece of mine, and while I enjoy hearing that, it makes me feel like my subsequent stories haven't measured up, that I'm like those math geniuses who are brilliant at 21 and washed up by 30. I start feeling like my writing must be getting boring and predictable and that the reason I'm not hearing from readers is because they don't want to tell me that my stuff is going downhill. Pretty pitiful, huh? Oh, well, I didn't have any pride anyway--and literally no room to talk because I'm as bad about giving feedback as anyone. Wendy's still waiting to hear my comments on BBDF 3. The reason I finally decided to post about this is because I'm not the only one it has happened to. Month after month, really great stories with strong action plots and wonderful relationship plots appear from the writers on S6 and vanish into a black hole of no comments. And these are stories by some of the top names in fanfiction--in fact the list of names reads like roll call for Kerth nominees and winners. I don't get it. Aren't they interesting stories? Yet, as I mentioned on Zoom's board, I feel like we've failed somehow to catch the imagination of FoLCs. The "accidental fifth season" stories by the RR group, which also share continuity, get discussed, but S6 doesn't, and I can't figure out why. Sheila ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:36:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Shiela, please accept my apologies. I have posted some feedback (not nearly > as much as I should) but probably not to the best places to see that you got > it. Your writing is fantastic--enough to give us newer writers an inferiority > complex . I was positively thrilled to find the S5/S6 site on the net, not > long after we got Internet access, and I've been following every story with > singleminded fanaticism, believe me. If you haven't heard me say it before, I > love both seasons, you writers are unbelievable, and I've read every story > you've written that I can find, both regular and nfic. If you've felt > ignored, I'm sorry. I am trying to improve on my feedback, but old habits are > hard to break. I promise to do better in the future. Nan Smith ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:52:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: OT: The Kingston-Hope FoLC wedding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everyone! Well, the Karl Kingston-Lori Hope (Karl/Kal-el and Peace on IRC) wedding went off without a hitch. Those of you who didn't join us on-line missed a great party. :) There were cheers and tears, cyber-champaigne and cyber-soda. And lots and lots of laughs and chatter. For those of you who missed this wonderful event, I now have logs of both the ceremony channel and the chat channel. If you'd like a copy (in MSWord Text format), please write me privately at and I'll get them out to you. Enjoy, and congrats again to Peace and Karl! Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:56:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ditto for me. I haven't been reading S5/S6 as long as Nan has, but once I started, I couldn't stop :-) ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Smith To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 4:36 PM Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback > > Shiela, please accept my apologies. I have posted some feedback (not nearly > > as much as I should) but probably not to the best places to see that you got > > it. Your writing is fantastic--enough to give us newer writers an inferiority > > complex . I was positively thrilled to find the S5/S6 site on the net, not > > long after we got Internet access, and I've been following every story with > > singleminded fanaticism, believe me. If you haven't heard me say it before, I > > love both seasons, you writers are unbelievable, and I've read every story > > you've written that I can find, both regular and nfic. If you've felt > > ignored, I'm sorry. I am trying to improve on my feedback, but old habits are > > hard to break. I promise to do better in the future. > > Nan Smith > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:37:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sheila Harper wrote: > > >>>>I think I thought that they recieved enough feedback telling > them how great their episodes were, and didn't need to hear it from some > little person like me. <<<< > > After Mirror, Mirror was posted, I complained to Kathy that I hadn't > received any feedback, and she suggested I post and ask for some. So, nine > days after it was released on the fanfic list and on Pam's S6 mirror site, I > saw someone on Zoom's fanfic board ask when the story was going to be > released, so I immediately gave the URL to Pam's site and added a plea for > feedback. Thank God the people on Zoom's fanfic message board responded. > If I'd waited to hear from the fanfic list, I'd still be waiting. You're voicing a question I've been bringing up for over a week now.... Why on the boards and not here? Well, one reason might be that there is a great deal of overlap. There are, after all, only so many folcs who frequent these venues *and* talk. Perhaps those who posted comments on the boards are also members of this list and, for whatever reason, chose not to post here. Perhaps you got the ball rolling there, and everyone began to speak up. It's a mystery to me. All I can say is there was a great hullabaloo about feedback on this list sometime back -- as you may recall -- and that might have played a role in dampening feedback here. It played a role in dampening mine. > I guess for me that explains why some people may choose not to post to the > fanfic list. I figured that the only point in doing so was to get feedback > from your readers . . . and if you're not getting any, why bother? Well, to my mind, the difference is that "finished" stories seem to be posted here more and, as you know, some writers don't want to have the sort of conversations about finished work that they seem to welcome for work-in-progress. On the message boards, there is a lot of unfinished work being posted (for whatever reason) and a very open atmosphere for discussing it. I would love to see that here. It would generate talk which would, no doubt, spillover to all types of stories -- drafts as well as finished work -- including yours. > I know some of you think, "Jeez, doesn't she know by now that she writes > well and that we like her stuff?" This will probably sound crazy to you, > but people almost always mention that they love "A Shot in the Dark," which > is the first L&C story I ever wrote. They usually say that it's their > favorite piece of mine, and while I enjoy hearing that, it makes me feel > like my subsequent stories haven't measured up, that I'm like those math > geniuses who are brilliant at 21 and washed up by 30. I start feeling like > my writing must be getting boring and predictable and that the reason I'm > not hearing from readers is because they don't want to tell me that my stuff > is going downhill. > > Pretty pitiful, huh? Oh, well, I didn't have any pride anyway--and > literally no room to talk because I'm as bad about giving feedback as > anyone. Wendy's still waiting to hear my comments on BBDF 3. Well, how do you think I feel? Over 50% of my work is n-fic and I'm proud of it but can't talk about it. The few comments I get come privately now because no one will post them here, where I hang out, even though their comments are quite innocent and 95% of the content of my stories are too. > The reason I finally decided to post about this is because I'm not the only > one it has happened to. Month after month, really great stories with strong > action plots and wonderful relationship plots appear from the writers on S6 > and vanish into a black hole of no comments. And these are stories by some > of the top names in fanfiction--in fact the list of names reads like roll > call for Kerth nominees and winners. I don't get it. Aren't they > interesting stories? Yet, as I mentioned on Zoom's board, I feel like we've > failed somehow to catch the imagination of FoLCs. The "accidental fifth > season" stories by the RR group, which also share continuity, get discussed, > but S6 doesn't, and I can't figure out why. Speaking only for myself, again.... I wrote a review of the first episode of season 6 and tried to post it to the "Review" section of the season 6 website, but it never went up. (It's still not there.) So, I decided to post it here -- after all, the same group of people would probably be reading it and this list is as "public" as the website. I did the same thing for the second episode (posted it here because I couldn't get it on the website) and the author got a little upset about it. She wanted it private, not public. Yet, there was a section on the website for "reviews" and no indication that we should *not* post a review of the second episode. Frankly, I don't know how to read the tea leaves anymore so I've given up. I don't want to lose any more friends over reviews so I don't do as much of it now. Well, considering all of this, how do you think I felt when I got to the message boards and saw all of that activity by people who had been here during the time *I* was being raked across the coals!? I seriously began to think that it wasn't public comments that weren't welcome but MY public comments which weren't welcome. Sorry Sheila, but I refuse to be put through the ringer anymore -- either here, or the message boards, or on the website. Before I say one word, I try to get a feel for how those words are going to be greeted by the recipient and, to be honest, most of the time I'm uncertain because I don't know the person. As a result, I say little and -- sometimes -- say only half of what I'm really thinking. Maybe your question, therefore, should be posted to the message boards to the people who are doing the talking. Why do they, who frequent both places, feel comfortable talking there and not here? Sandy smcdermin@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:15:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Maggie Subject: Combo Post -- Number One Fans and S6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey folcies! First off, Melisma I *love* this Number One Fan Club thing! So sorry that I live under a rock (in Centennial Park, near the fountain ) and had no clue whatsoever about this wondrous creation. Is it still too late to sign up? Have you thought of Franchising? Every member of the Hall of Fame should have her own chapter, don't you think? :o) Consider the matter amicably resolved! Your induction ceremony was just delightful. :o) Meanwhile back at the farm...... In regards to Season 6 (and 5 before it) I think it is just spectacular! I am however, behind in my eps - hence Sheila has not received the comments of a stark raving mad fanfic lover *yet* (that living under a rock thing can be tough-- but I do come out for food and fanfic). This week I just *finally* finished reading "Fatal Attraction". Which from the first line, "Yes, mother .... No, mother .... Uh huh ... Well, I think-- ... Yes, but-- ... But I-- ..." to the last-- "Incredible..." was just classic Kathy :o) Thank you Kathy for another stressless plane ride If you are wondering what I liked about the ep, would "everything" be specific enough for ya? ~~spoiler nanosecond~~~ I like the little moments, Lois and Clark cracking a case, Superman visiting Dr. Klein, Lois adapting to motherhood, Ellen Lane being Ellenish, the way lex's plot developed along with the ep's plot so one is wrapped up neatly and the other has moved forward for the next ep. Ahem, yup, everything. That about sums it up. :o) Okay, must eat dinner now (fanfic and food, you know ) After dinner, I'll be tuning in to the next exciting adventure of Lois and Clark, I believe this ep is called "Turn Around". Can't wait! Maggie who is not quite sure if it's good or bad that Fanfiction programming is light years ahead of anything that is actually on TV tonight maggie13@bellsouth.net (aka supermags on IRC) The impossible: what nobody can do until somebody does. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:08:09 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/11/99 8:39:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes: << I seriously began to think that it wasn't public comments that weren't welcome but MY public comments which weren't welcome. Maybe your question, therefore, should be posted to the message boards to the people who are doing the talking. Why do they, who frequent both places, feel comfortable talking there and not here?>> I can't speak for everyone, but I do frequent both the message boards and this list as well as the nfic list ( which seems to have gotten very quiet lately). I think there are several reasons why people may post more there than here. For one thing, the message boards, by their very nature, seem to be more of a conversation among people, with give and take, than does the list. With the list, I feel as if I am sending out what I have to say into space, not knowing where it will land; or if anyone will even read it or care what I have to say. On the message boards, what you post is arranged by topic and people respond in a more conversational manner. Another reason I think that people are not sending much feedback to authors who are posting on the list may be that some of us get the sense that three or four posts of "Great job, Sandy / Sheila / Irene, etc. I loved the way you handled the plot...." is all any of the other readers wants to see. I get the distinct feeling that people, I have no idea who, don't want "Me too" posts. ( Don't ask me why I have this feeling, because I really don't know where it came from. I just know that I feel as if I shouldn't be the tenth person to comment on the same story when I have nothing new to add.) After all the venting that was going on earlier this year about hurting feelings, etc. I think you aren't the only one who is leery of saying anything less than "It was wonderful. Bravo!" What I have noticed is that the stories being posted on the message boards are very often presented as works in progress, often with requests for critical comments about plot holes, etc. So I think people do feel a bit more comfortable commenting on what they read. Last, but not least, there seem to only be about 10 or so people posting comments on the message boards, most of them writers themselves. That seems to make the experience more intimate, even if, as someone (Pam, maybe?) has suggested, that all 300+ people from the list are lurking on the message boards as well. At any rate, there does seem to be a different atmosphere over there at the moment. Have you visited? BTW, I love your stories, and have decided there should have been several more categories on the nKerths: Best Story by Sandy McDermin,. Best Story by Sheila Harper, Best Story by LabRat, Best Story by Julie Mack. (You get the picture.) And when are you going to post another one? Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:12:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Combo Post -- Number One Fans and S6 In-Reply-To: <199909120056.UAA17608@mail0.mia.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, help me out here, fellow Number One Fans... To my knowledge the following Number One Fan Clubs exist: Pam, Wendy, Irene, Tank, Jane, Nancy. Um, I think I'm missing a few. What are they? I don't think we have formally declared Zoomway's Number One Fan Club operational, but it's a good idea, don't you think? Long overdue, in fact! By the same token, I think we need one for Sheila, for LabRat, for KathyB, for Phil... Yeah, I guess we need to sit down and brainstorm this thing, Maggie :D At 09:15 PM 9/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hey folcies! > >First off, Melisma I *love* this Number One Fan Club thing! >So sorry that I live under a rock (in Centennial Park, near the >fountain ) and had no clue whatsoever about this wondrous >creation. Is it still too late to sign up? Have you thought >of Franchising? Every member of the Hall of Fame should >have her own chapter, don't you think? :o) > >Consider the matter amicably resolved! Your induction >ceremony was just delightful. :o) LOL - Thanks, Maggie. So was yours Melisma ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:15:40 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/11/99 7:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes: << So write, girl, write! >> Christy, I gotta go with Nan on this one. Being a teacher, I realize that you have books to read, papers to write, and tests to study for. On the other hand, you don't REALLY need a social life. So, forget those parties, football games, etc. and get cracking. Your adoring public awaits. BTW, Nan is a fine one to talk, the way she is dragging out Assassin's Dagger. :) Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:22:14 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/11/99 7:25:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes: << This will probably sound crazy to you, but people almost always mention that they love "A Shot in the Dark," which is the first L&C story I ever wrote. They usually say that it's their favorite piece of mine, and while I enjoy hearing that, it makes me feel like my subsequent stories haven't measured up, that I'm like those math geniuses who are brilliant at 21 and washed up by 30. I start feeling like my writing must be getting boring and predictable and that the reason I'm not hearing from readers is because they don't want to tell me that my stuff is going downhill. >> Sheila, While I don't know that I can definitely say which of your stories is my favorite (although I guess it must be Mxysplit, since that is the one I re-read the most), I will say that you have yet to write anything that failed to entertain me. Your work is definitely not going downhill. I will admit that I waited to read Mirror, Mirror, etc. until it all came out because the cliffhangers were making me crazy. ( Which explains why Tank is really making me nuts. ) Of course, I'm the kind of person who reads the last chapter of a book while standing in the bookstore. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:23:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey! I'm writing as fast as I can! Nan Ann E. McBride wrote: > In a message dated 9/11/99 7:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > > << So write, girl, write! >> > > Christy, I gotta go with Nan on this one. Being a teacher, I realize that > you have books to read, papers to write, and tests to study for. On the > other hand, you don't REALLY need a social life. So, forget those > parties, football games, etc. and get cracking. Your adoring public awaits. > > BTW, Nan is a fine one to talk, the way she is dragging out Assassin's > Dagger. :) > > Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:25:24 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Combo Post -- Number One Fans and S6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/11/99 8:57:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maggie13@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: << who is not quite sure if it's good or bad that Fanfiction programming is light years ahead of anything that is actually on TV tonight >> Is it only me, or does anyone else think that Lois and Clark might still be on the air if some of the fanfiction writers had been hired by the show at the start of the fourth season? Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:28:49 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/11/99 9:24:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes: << Hey! I'm writing as fast as I can! >> I'm glad to hear that. You know, sometimes we send LabRat extra cheese. Do you need your fans to send you something? like cyber chocolates or cyber chips? Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:49:46 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/11/99 6:25:31 PM Central Daylight Time, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes: << I don't get it. Aren't they interesting stories? Yet, as I mentioned on Zoom's board, I feel like we've failed somehow to catch the imagination of FoLCs. The "accidental fifth season" stories by the RR group, which also share continuity, get discussed, but S6 doesn't, and I can't figure out why. >> I think I can help solve the puzzle, or I hope so, because S6 is excellent and you shouldn't be made to feel otherwise. With the round robins, they're posted only here, though someone does post them to her website and then later I think they end up on Pam's site and the archive. However, for the most part, the first and only version of the story is posted here. S6 has its own website, and there's a lot of FoLC who like reading the story in one big chunk Not to mention I like that there's photos with the story on the web ;) People tend to respond where they read the story. Herein lies the rub When I get to the end of the story, this week it was Phil's, there is a link that asks for comments on the story, but it goes to an e-mail address. Pam's I think. That might be why there's a dearth of reviews. And no, I don't mean people don't want to write to Pam's address It's just that I think a sense of immediacy is lost. On this list or on the MBs, there is an instant connection between writer and reader or reviewer. I know when I hit "send" on this e-mail, it will immediately hit the list. I hit "submit" on the MB, the same deal. But writing to an e-mail address is like what someone mentioned earlier about liking the immediate response available on the list as opposed to posting to the archive, for example, where the story takes a while to appear. In other words, there's a feeling of a relay race before the comment gets to the author or the website, if that makes sense. I have a feeling if there was a way for comments to be posted to that site with more immediacy to them, you'd see more comments. I noticed you have nearly 8,000 hits at that site! That's not only a lot of readers, but readers who keep coming back for more. Now, this part I hope will be practical suggestions for improving the comment flow ;) At the end of the story on the site, repeat the name of the story title and author so a reader doesn't have to return to the top of the page to be reminded. If you want to stay with e-mail comments, then put the author's e-mail address there. Say something like "If you'd like to send your comments to Phil (Kathy, Sheila, etc) click here". However, I would suggest ditching the e-mail format entirely, if you can. Here's one reason, I have AOL, and only when I access the site with AOL's dumb browser can I use an e-mail link. I don't have Netscape or the regular IE browser set up to handle e-mail links. There may be others out there in the same boat. I think someone who is web savvy could create a feedback page for you. The kind where people type their comments, and the comments will appear immediately. It's similar to a message board and people do like commenting and also reading how their opinion compares to others. Demi might have the know-how to create such a page, I don't, but I do know they're easy to use and do get results. Basically though, I think it's that there might be a lot of FoLC like me who read the stories on the website, but find the reply and/or comment process daunting or confusing. I hope some of this was helpful, Sheila, because you are one of my all time favorite fanfic writers, and if I haven't said so lately, let me say it again ;) Always a Sheila fan, Zoom (I'm signing my posts like Jet ;) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:49:47 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy wrote: > Speaking only for myself, again.... I wrote a review of the first > episode of season 6 and tried to post it to the "Review" section of the > season 6 website, but it never went up. (It's still not there.) I can answer this... for S5 and more than half of S6, Alyssa was our webmistress, and it was her job to upload the reviews. Shortly after the beginning of S6, her life got very busy, and she fell way behind on updating the reviews. I assume some comments (such as yours) were still sent to her, but she never posted them. And then her hard drive crashed, so they're lost. (If anyone still has the comments they made on previous stories, in fact, I'd be delighted to post them to the new mirror site.) You raised a number of other good questions, but I don't have any answers right now. Perhaps after I've thought about it for a while. -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:57:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback In-Reply-To: <37DAF5DF.B76DD0C7@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 8:37 PM -0400 9/11/99, Sandy McDermin wrote: >Speaking only for myself, again.... I wrote a review of the first >episode of season 6 and tried to post it to the "Review" section of the >season 6 website, but it never went up. (It's still not there.) As most of you know, we had a problem with our original S6 website. Our web designer went AWOL on us about halfway through the season. Previous to that, she wasn't putting up reviews or updating links, etc., in a timely matter, so we weren't totally shocked when she disappeared completely, but even so, it was a blow. Pam worked some magic and put up a mirror site, and then the game was to figure out how the heck to tell people. I've lost count of how many "here is our new URL" emails I sent out to people who wrote me (some rudely) asking why we weren't updating our website anymore. The link on the top of the Fanfic Archive helped, but I'm sure we lost readers regardless. Anyway, one thing Pam and I kept asking Alyssa was to send us the reviews she was collecting (that one you submitted to the site went to her alone), but she never responded to that part of our message even if she eventually replied to the other parts. Our goal was to do the formatting for her so all she had to do was upload them -- we wanted those reviews up there! Well, when she finally resurfaced, she admited to us that her hard drive had crashed and all the reviews had disappeared. So, to make a long story short (too late!), Pam scrambled around and tried to assemble as many reviews as she could from the old site and from private emails, and restarted the review section on her mirror site. But obviously, we couldn't get them all, not without devoting our lives to the project. So if anyone has reviews of stories, please send them to us! We really do want to put them up. I'm sorry that your review never showed up on the site, but I hope that explains what was going on. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:16:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about cyber-guacamole and chips? Nah, I'd get it in the keyboard and then where would I be? Nan Ann E. McBride wrote: > In a message dated 9/11/99 9:24:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > > << Hey! I'm writing as fast as I can! >> > > I'm glad to hear that. You know, sometimes we send LabRat extra cheese. Do > you need your fans to send you something? like cyber chocolates or cyber > chips? > > Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:14:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cynthia Haste Subject: Re: Combo Post -- Number One Fans and S6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Ann E. McBride" wrote: > Is it only me, or does anyone else think that Lois and Clark might still be > on the air if some of the fanfiction writers had been hired by the show at > the start of the fourth season? > > Ann Start of the fourth nothing. If they had done Debbie's five part Arc, starting with I'll Knot Pronounce You all the way through The Long, Dazed Journey From the Night, (I had to cheat with a look at the archive for the correct title for the last one. I'd better go read it again) the series would probably rival the longevity of Mash. Cindy -- Solitude is fine, but you need someone to tell you that solitude is fine. - Honore de Balzac The Rules of Chocolate: If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're eating it too slowly. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:33:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lara Blasingame Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain As far as Season 5/6 feedback goes.... I thought we weren't suppose to have "me too" feedback :) To be quite honest, I feel goofy posting publicly because I am not as eloquent as other FOLC. The posts I read are normally funny and riveting & I find myself agreeing whole-heartedly. I am constantly amazed by the stories delivered by Season 5/6, the Round Robin group, the nfic matriarchs, as well as, the fiction written by solo writers. I can't begin to thank you all enough. Your efforts have really relieved my LCWS. Keep up the wonderful work and remember that *you* are all appreciated. Sometimes we are inordinately slow with the feedback :) Sincerely, Lara larab@pwpl.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:30:30 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/11/1999 7:25:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes: <> Nope, you just repeatedly stun us into silence with the quality of your work. So, when do we get more? --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:45:16 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kath Roden Subject: Re: Combo Post -- Number One Fans and S6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed maggie13@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: << who is not quite sure if it's good or bad that Fanfiction programming is light years ahead of anything that is actually on TV tonight >> Aerm1@AOL.COM writes: >>Is it only me, or does anyone else think that Lois and Clark might still >>be on the air if some of the fanfiction writers had been hired by the show >>at the start of the fourth season?<< Oh, yeah, definately!! I would have *loved* to have seen Myxsplit/All Mixed Up on TV! Normally, I don't like referencing specific fanfic for fear of offending someone who wasn't mentioned, but I'd have like to see Dr. Goose, Charity Begins at Home, and Three Capes to the Wind as well as many others. My list is too long ;^) Between the Season's and the archive, LnC would be airing new stories into the millenium! Re S5/S6... I have to admit that I find it easier to post critiques on the boards for the simple reason that the stories posted there are shorter, so I can read them while online and make my comments. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling like the authors use the boards as a proofing ground, rather than a "posting" area. The Season's stories are longer, so I download them to read at my leasure (not much of that lately). So, I guess, it's just laziness on my part (and I'll work in that). But for the record... I LOVE the stories. When the show was cancelled, I was *very* upset, as I'm sure a lot on other FOLC's were. Your stories helped to continue the "feeling" of Lois and Clark for me. Now, it's like they are old friends. Maybe that's why I don't like Deathfic...it would be like losing a family member. That's how real *all* your stories seem. I can picture Dean, Teri, K, Eddie, Justin, etc. in each page and for that I thank you! I do agree with Sheila though, it's important that even accomplished writers, get feedback from us, and I *will* make every effort to do so in the future. KathR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:03:40 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Sheila's Stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys! Sorry, deleted the original message from Sheila, so no quote and I can't remember what the original topic header was either. Honestly, sometimes I think immersing myself into writing turns me into the absent minded professor. Course, it could just be hanging out with Bernie that's doing it. Anyway.....point. Point is, can I just say that A Shot in the Dark is probably my least favourite Sheila fic? That'll reassure you, Sheila. ;) Not that there's much of a sliver to choose between them, you understand - it's darned close and I adore it. But I think if I was given five minutes to choose or have my disk with the only copy so far of Caped Fear crushed I'd have to say that my favourite is....well, okay it would have to be a joint decision with Faster Than A Speeding Bullet and Myx. The nfic version of Myx was absolutely incredible ;) and Bullet was enjoyable, deep and thoughtful on so many different levels. I can't comment on S6 because I am way behind in reading there, as elsewhere. Everything is getting dumped to my hd lately for later. I did read Mirror, Mirror and enjoyed it, but I do have to say that although I enjoy the Season writings, I always prefer a writer's 'personal' fics more than ones that they've written for the Seasons (not just S6). I can't remember if I commented on Mirror, Mirror at the time - it was a special case, I read it immediately it landed on the list because it was a Sheila fic. So it didn't get auto-stored like everything else. I do have to say that I'm the opposite apparently to most people who've posted on this subject. I've given up posting feedback on the boards. Mostly because I'm not catching up until much later than everyone else with reading the stories and then by the time I get there there are 20 posts already saying everything I could ever think of and I can't think of anything new to add. I think this is probably one of the drawbacks to feedback. We all assume that the writer only needs to hear - "This was good" once. And once someone has said it, we nod our heads rapidly in agreement from the isolation of our keyboards and think we don't need to. LabRat :) (wondering if she's in the nfic mafia.....sorry matriachs. Sounds like a cool club to join. Do you get a pin? ;) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:22:11 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear season 5 and season 6 writers, I'm one of those Folcs who have to apologize for not sending feedback to you. I really loved both seasons 5 and I also love season 6! I have a confession to make though: Sheila Harper wrote: > The "accidental fifth > season" stories by the RR group, which also share continuity, get discussed, > but S6 doesn't, and I can't figure out why. The reason why I don't send feedback is pretty dumb. Usually I only send feedback to stories that are sent to this list. It's such an easy way to just hit the reply button and wirte a few words. The problem with season 6 is: I'm behind my reading, si instead of reading the story imediately when it is posted here, I safe all the season 6 episodes on my harddrive (*and* on disk, too, which should tell you something about how much I value them :-)) to read them in order and I delete them in my mail-box. Usually I don't even read them here on the computer, but on my laptop, laying in the sun or on the sofa and I always have a great afternoon with the episodes. But when I'm finished reading, I don't have a "reply-button" anymore. I have look for an email-addy, the episode is gone from the list for weeks (or even months) before I have read it and then I'm just too lazy to write. It's as simple as that and I have a bad conscious now! Nicole (who don't want to make promises she can't keep, but who is determined to write season 6 feedback in the future.) -- AKA CKgroupie on IRC NKWolke@eifel-net.net (Attention everyone: My email addy has changed!) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 07:49:57 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit True confessions, I guess. I'm not sure how I'm reacting to all this. I was quite discouraged by the very minimal feedback on my Season 6 episode. To this day, I'm still not sure what was wrong with it although I have several ideas. After that, it took me a couple of months to return to writing my last story, about a third of which I'd written prior to writing my S episode. Anyway, I've had a difficult time getting back to writing since that was posted although Jenni Debbage & Labrat (wonderful people that they are), just this past week, have been encouraging about some ideas I sent them. Reading all these posts on S5/6 has brought all this back. I know how much care the whole S6 team has put into all these episodes -- the continuity & characterization checks, the editing, & re -editing, etc. I didn't write for S5 and so I was at first astounded by the "professionalism" that everyone brought to the effort, especially Pam and Kathy. Kathy , do you ever sleep? I learned a lot from them all. Sandy's comments are apprpropriate here about the nature of the feedback on the two lists, I think. Positive comments are always wonderful; honest constructive criticism is invaluable (and thank you for yours Sandy :) Silence makes kind of a statement, too. However, I've just started editing a few stories by others and I'm finding that very satisfying. Now to do battle with my unruly garden. Carol ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:41:28 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Roleplaying fic starts today MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today marks the start of the roleplaying game, Once Upon A Time In Metropolis. It's been a while since we announced the game, so here's a brief resume: ******* Someone has bombed the Daily Planet (again ). As a result, all editorial staff are having to work from home and communicate largely via email. Luckily for us, a mysterious glitch in the Internet means that all their emails are appearing on this list, so we are able to 'eavesdrop' on their discussions. Conveniently, they are also using a standard format in their subject headings so that we can easily identify their messages (OUATIM: Perry to Clark, for example). Naturally, the burning question on everybody's minds at the Planet is who bombed the Planet and why, and no doubt the Planet's top investigative team, Lois Lane and Clark Kent, will be on the case, backed by the rest of the staff. ******* I'd like to say a big thank you to our independent selection committee, Labrat and Jenni, who did a great job of sorting out the cast list for us. It wasn't always a very easy task, but they did it quickly, efficiently, and with their usual good humour. Finally, we think this is going to be great fun, but none of us have ever done anything like this before, so please bear with us if things are a little rocky to begin with. Let the games begin! Yvonne and Tanya (yconnell@ukf.net and tanya_walsh@hotmail.com) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:48:41 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: OUATIM: Arbitrator to 'Eavesdroppers' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It has come to my attention that there may be several people eavesdropping on the private email correspondence of Daily Planet staff. Although I wouldn't usually condone an infringement of personal privacy such as this, I believe your interest is benign and well-meant, and so I will waive the usual strictures. In fact, in the spirit of mutual co-operation, I have attached below an article which appeared very recently in the Metropolis Daily Star. This may help set the context for the emails you are reading. In return, I hope that you will keep any correspondence you read strictly confidential within the members of your community. Metropolis Star, Monday, Courtney Hart ____________________________________________________________________ SHOCK AS PLANET EXPLODES!!!! Two staff members were killed and dozens injured when an explosion tore through the Metropolis branch of "The Daily Planet" Sunday afternoon. A chemical bomb planted in the basement of the building wreaked havoc on the structure - recently rebuilt after a similar occurrence less than three years ago. This tragic incident has rendered the Planet building completely useless for newspaper production. Police have no clues as to the identity of the bomber as yet. The Daily Planet has an abundance of enemies, which means that the perpetrator may literally be one of thousands of people. According to a reliable source, evidence found at the scene included a pair of trousers. Jack Fowler, 37, and Kirsty Dunning, 29, both business reporters, were killed when a brick stairwell collapsed over their heads. Sixty-seven other staff members were admitted to hospital with injuries ranging from shock to internal bleeding, but thanks to quick action from Superman and other brave emergency personnel many fatalities were averted. Is this the end for the Daily Planet? When an explosion masterminded by convicted felon and ex-entrepreneur, Lex Luthor, destroyed the building years ago it was almost impossible to obtain funding to rebuild. Sources close to the owner, James Carlton, have speculated that he will be unable to secure finance for a second rebuild. When The Star asked Perry White, editor of the Planet, for comment he responded with, "The show will go on. The Planet and what it stands for has been around for over 40 years and we are not going to let an explosion destroy that. The people behind the Planet are more important than a few bricks and mortar, and they will not let these criminals win.' White declined to answer any further questions. We asked award-winning and controversial journalist Lois Lane, for her thoughts on the issue, but received no comment from either her or her partner and spouse, Clark Kent. Reporters and editors will be working from home using sophisticated technology to write and edit their stories until new premises can be obtained. ____________________________________________________________________ For more great reading look inside - Y2K - The truth about the millennium Aliens ate my baby! *************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:54:56 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: OUATIM: Perry to DP Staff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those of you who have been with us for long enough will remember the last time the Daily Planet was bombed and how we had to stop production and nearly closed as a result. It was one of the blackest times in the Planet's history. Well, this time, I am determined that is not going to happen, and thankfully our owners feel the same way, which is why they've put up the money to hire temporary facilities and buy extra laptops so that the editorial staff can work from home. Any of you who have questions about insurance or expenses while working from home should contact Margie in Personnel. I know you'll join with me in sending our heartfelt sympathies to the families of Jack and Kirsty. They have asked me to tell you that the funerals will be private, for family and close friends only, but there will be a memorial service next Wednesday at 10am in St Stephen's church, which all of you are welcome to attend. People, I know these are difficult times for us all, but I also know you'll do the very best you can to show the world that nothing can stop the best damned newspaper in Metropolis from doing it's job. Good luck to you all, Perry ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:57:51 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: OUATIM: Perry to Lois and Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did NOT use that half-baked rhetoric which the Daily Star claims I said. Great shades of Elvis - that Hart woman couldn't write an accurate quote if it was printed in letters a mile high in the sky! But I guess you two knew that already. You got any leads yet? Do the police know who those trousers belong to? Perry ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:56:41 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol wrote: >True confessions, I guess. I'm not sure how I'm reacting to all this. I was >quite discouraged by the very minimal feedback on my Season 6 episode. To >this day, I'm still not sure what was wrong with it although I have several >ideas. If there's one thing I've learned with this online writing lark , Carol, there doesn't *have* to be anything wrong with it. Way back when I posted Wet 'n' Wild to the nfic boards, I didn't receive one single piece of feedback on it. Not a message on the board, zilch. I spent ages wondering what was wrong with it. I'd tried some new....ahem...aspects in that one and wondered if I'd actually shocked anyone, even. However, never one to take a hint, I soldiered on, regardless. And then, out of the blue, just a couple of months back, someone mentioned it in passing on this list. I posted my surprise that they had enjoyed it - and got some nice feedback in, which I was no less delighted to receive for it being belated. The point is, you never can tell. After that, it took me a couple of months to return to writing my >last story, about a third of which I'd written prior to writing my S episode. > Anyway, I've had a difficult time getting back to writing since that was >posted although Jenni Debbage & Labrat (wonderful people that they are), just >this past week, have been encouraging about some ideas I sent them. It's real easy to be encouraging when the ideas are as good as the ones you passed by me for comment. ;) >Silence makes kind of a statement, too. Though not always the one you imagine. See above. Sometimes all it means is "Gee, I must write feedback on that story it was great - oh, gawd, the dog's sicking up all over the carpet again." Deal with said dog and you've forgotten all about your good intentions. It's almost always easier to remember to mail someone if you're ticked and want to complain, than it is when you want to praise. > And....gardening? Gardening?!? Get back to writing, girl! I'm on tenterhooks here waiting to see how this new one turns out. LabRat :) (doing anything to avoid having to read Wendy's verdict on the segment of CF I mailed her last night.....) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:08:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genevieve Subject: Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Carol wrote: > > >True confessions, I guess. I was > >quite discouraged by the very minimal feedback on my Season 6 episode. To > >this day, I'm still not sure what was wrong with it although I have several > >ideas. Carol, you and I are in the same boat. I just spent ten months writing a Highlander fanfic, and have gotten very little feedback on it, especially if I discount the letters from people who just wanted to know why I mentioned homosexuality in it. (It was set in Ancient Greece, for heaven's sake!) I've got the sequel outlined, but I keep wondering if it's worth working on it. However, in desperation, I put a counter on the html version of the story. Even though I am not getting any feedback, the counter keeps going up. So I suppose that news of the story is spreading through word-of-mouth. At any rate, I know people are downloading it, even if they are not writing. And Labrat wrote: > Though not always the one you imagine. See above. Sometimes all it means > is "Gee, I must write feedback on that story it was great - oh, gawd, the > dog's sicking up all over the carpet again." Deal with said dog and you've > forgotten all about your good intentions. Genevieve's advice on how to send feedback to writers: 1. Whenever you finish a story that leaves you staring in awe at your monitor, saying "Wow!" to yourself, write immediately to the author. Just say "Fantastic story! Absolutely incredible! So glad I read I it, and thanks for sharing!" Send this quick message *before* you deal with said dog, before you go to bed (even if it's 3:00 in the morning), and no matter how long the story has been sitting in your mailbox. 2. Then later, when you get a chance, you can write your long detailed letter of comment. (You know, the one you always mean to send, but never do.) You can start out by saying "I know I wrote you about this story when I first read it, but I have a bit more time now, and I wanted to say..." In this letter, you mention the part that made you laugh out loud, or that brought tears to you eyes, or the wonderful symbolism, or whatever. Think of the first letter as the equivalent of the "number of copies sold." The author wants to know that people are reading the story, and that they liked it. And getting a letter about a really old story can be even more heart-warming than feedback about a new one. The second letter is the one where you try to open a dialogue with the author. But it's also the one which people *mean* to write, but somehow, seldom get around to it. If you've sent the first letter, you'll feel less guilty about never sending the second. A note to authors: make sure you put your e-mail address in the story. I read off line, as well. A many-part story will get saved to a single text file, and read that way, and it's difficult to send feedback if there is no e-mail address in the text. People who put their stories up on the web in HTML need to be careful about that too. Graphics don't get saved with the files (I've lost titles of stories that way) and if you have a link the address disappears if someone saves the story as text. Now to go and practice what I preach... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Genevieve "Long Have I Waited" -- a new Highlander fanfic, now available at The World Wide Web has made it possible for anyone to find in five hours what a competent librarian can find in five minutes. :-) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:26:59 -0500 Reply-To: "bbmedos@booksanctuary.com" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "B.B. Medos" Subject: Types of feedback and where to get it? This one went on considerably longer than I'd planned, so be forewarned, but the recent feedback discussion apparently hit a personal nerve that's been twitching lately to begin with. Please let me know if I'm alone in feeling the way I do. Sandy McDermin [SMTP:smcdermin@EROLS.COM] wrote: > Well, to my mind, the difference is that "finished" stories seem to be > posted here more and, as you know, some writers don't want to have the > sort of conversations about finished work that they seem to welcome for > work-in-progress. On the message boards, there is a lot of unfinished > work being posted (for whatever reason) and a very open atmosphere for > discussing it. I would love to see that here. It would generate talk > which would, no doubt, spillover to all types of stories -- drafts as > well as finished work -- including yours. I've been following this discussion on feedback closely because I'm currently attempting to reorder my "online" life so that I can get back to actively wr iting fanfiction on a regular basis. I do miss the creative process of playing with these favorite characters. That said, I have some observations, a question or two and a suggestion about this issue because I think the lack of the right kind of feedback IS one of the reasons why I've taken so long to get back into the swing of things, so to speak. First, I'm going to "label" the kinds of feedback I'm talking about so that what I'm trying to say will make more sense. Hopefully. From my own personal experience, feedback on fanfiction (both what I need and what I get) appears to fall into basically four categories. Those being: alpha editing: content development feedback on rough drafts to make sure the story is making sense and going where I want it to go, i.e. if these alpha readers don't find any major plot problems or end up thinking something completely removed from what I thought I'd said, I feel relatively confident about where the story is at beta editing: final draft editing that takes care of all those annoyingly elusive grammar, spelling, punctuation mistakes, etc., etc, etc, prior to final posting online initial comments: all those really nice and wonderful "I just read this story and had to tell you blah, blah, blah . . . " notes and messages from first time readers once the "finished" story is finally posted and/or distributed online that lets me know somebody actually read the thing detailed discussions: open and honest comments where someone will say what they liked, didn't like or weren't sure about regarding a particular "finished" story which in turn gives me an idea of what I'm doing right or wrong and can greatly impact on a work in progress . . . for good or for bad Assuming everyone is still following me, the interesting thing I've found is that getting beta editing or initial comments isn't a problem but getting a story alpha edited or discussed in detail is much more problematical. Why such a problem? They are in reality the feedback I need the most to "complete" one story and/or feel motivated to begin a new one AND I don't know how to go about getting either one of them at the moment. So I'm stuck. What I mean is that there is always the archive itself for beta editing and if worse comes to worse, I can coax a friend into doing a final read-through to watch for "mistakes" that I might have missed. Once a story is online, initial comments do trickle in either private e-mail or online as new readers discover the archives. Those are so much fun to get and truly appreciated. But for the actually writing PROCESS, I need both alpha editing on works in progress and some detailed discussion on what worked and what didn't in older stories to jump start the old muse out of her comatose state. Not receiving either honestly makes me feel completely out in limbo-land somewhere and I, for one, can't seem to write that way. And just for the record, I have checked out the message board in question and I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable with that venue. I am also apparently one of the ones who thought this list was for final drafts for the main reason that a lot of people don't like to read stories until they're finished. I keep wondering if there is another alternative. So, here are my questions. Am I completely alone in feeling this way? If not, what would be the possibilities of starting an "bureau" of individuals who don't mind reading and commenting fully on both works-in-progress and the same kinds of problems in older stories as well as writers who need that kind of assistance? I'm not sure how this could be worked, but a closed and truly limited access e-mail loop comes to mind as one possible solution. I suspect many will immediately claim that that could happen on this list, but it hasn't . . . and I also suspect that a lot of writers feel the same as I do that this list is too large or possibly too open to be effective for this purpose. The same holds true to some extent about the message boards. I think I'd feel uncomfortable posting a wip in a place where I didn't know who was going to be reading it or what direction their comments might take. I'm not talking about positive vs. negative here, I'm talking about truly useful comments vs. those that don't really tell me anything. A smaller group consisting of editors the writers could get to know and trust might work better. It would even give them the opportunity to move to private e-mail for the editing process once they felt comfortable with each other. Now, I also know the archive has their "staff" of editors, but I was under the impression that they concentrated on final draft editing, not content development. I'm sure someone will correct me if that's wrong. But even if so, there's that same problem of not being familiar with the editors in question which would hold me back from jumping into asking for one of them to help me. One more thing, just so everyone knows I'm not blowing smoke here and am serious about both needing the help and wanting to find a way to get it. Since I've moved my website, I now have the capabilities of hosting discussion lists. So, if anyone is interested in the bureau idea and there isn't another alternative that works, please let me know. I may regret saying that but since this is a problem I need to solve for myself, I guess I need to take the first step in solving it. I am not advocating something that would replace or even compete with this or any other list in any way, but very something very specific for assisting the writers in completing wip which doesn't appear to exist. If it does, where it is? Feel free to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, but remember that I am speaking from personal experience regarding what's holding me back writing-wise. Feedback of this nature is not just helpful, but crucial to the writing process for some of us. Without it, I don't know what else to do except stop writing completely. Beverly :-) B.B. Medos bbmedos@booksanctuary.com Beverly's Book Basket http://www.likesbooks.com/bevcol.html Beverly's Book Sanctuary http://www.booksanctuary.com ***WE'RE THERE, We're There, we're there . . . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:19:29 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Genevieve wrote: >Genevieve's advice on how to send feedback to writers: Excellent gameplan, Genevieve. Should be printed out and posted up behind every pc monitor. Although the dog might be a bit offended. And I can also add that no writer I've ever spoken to has said they mind one type of feedback any less than the other. I know that a lot of FoLCs feel that they have to say something deep and meaningful in feedback - and there's no denying that's very useful and welcome - and if they can't think of anything deep and meaningful, often just forget about sending it at all. But, trust me, opening your mailer after you've just posted your latest epic and finding a dozen messages all saying, "Hey that was great. Thanks!" and nothing more isn't a smack in the teeth either. So, even if that's all you have to say, be assured it's more than enough. LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. >1. Whenever you finish a story that leaves you staring in awe at your >monitor, saying "Wow!" to yourself, write immediately to the author. >Just say "Fantastic story! Absolutely incredible! So glad I read I it, >and thanks for sharing!" Send this quick message *before* you deal with >said dog, before you go to bed (even if it's 3:00 in the morning), and >no matter how long the story has been sitting in your mailbox. > >2. Then later, when you get a chance, you can write your long detailed >letter of comment. (You know, the one you always mean to send, but >never do.) You can start out by saying "I know I wrote you about this >story when I first read it, but I have a bit more time now, and I wanted >to say..." In this letter, you mention the part that made you laugh out >loud, or that brought tears to you eyes, or the wonderful symbolism, or >whatever. > >Think of the first letter as the equivalent of the "number of copies >sold." The author wants to know that people are reading the story, and >that they liked it. And getting a letter about a really old story can >be even more heart-warming than feedback about a new one. The second >letter is the one where you try to open a dialogue with the author. But >it's also the one which people *mean* to write, but somehow, seldom get >around to it. If you've sent the first letter, you'll feel less guilty >about never sending the second. > >A note to authors: make sure you put your e-mail address in the story. >I read off line, as well. A many-part story will get saved to a single >text file, and read that way, and it's difficult to send feedback if >there is no e-mail address in the text. People who put their stories up >on the web in HTML need to be careful about that too. Graphics don't >get saved with the files (I've lost titles of stories that way) and if >you have a link the address disappears if someone saves the >story as text. > >Now to go and practice what I preach... >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Genevieve > "Long Have I Waited" -- a new Highlander fanfic, now available > at > >The World Wide Web has made it possible for anyone to find in five >hours what a competent librarian can find in five minutes. :-) > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:24:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eileen Barnard Subject: Re: Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All I would like to make a few comments on the question of feedback, because I think it is important to most authors to know what people think of their work. I have hundreds, if not thousands of fanfic stories sitting on CD's that I have downloaded and just haven't had the time to get around to reading just yet. I try to download everything I can so that I don't miss anything and then try to have a reading session when I have the time. If a story attracts me particularly then I make notes in my pad about comments I would like to make, together with the email of the author. I then get the EMails prepared and they all get whizzed off when next I go on line. I must confess that sometimes I read a story that has been sitting around on the archive for ages and the author is no longer on the email address but you can always ask the FoLCs on the list if they have a more up to date address for that person and they always help if they can. I won't say that I always write to the author straight away but I do try to eventually because it is important to try - even if it's only a few words of encouragement. Although the number of stories I have read is very small compared to the vast amount out there, I am trying to stick to my own set of rules but I'm afraid that it will probably be months before I make a start on the Season 5 episodes, let alone the Season 6, though I have them all ready and waiting to be read - a lot have even been printed out, its just the sheer volume. Maybe there are a lot of FoLCs out there who are in a similar position and just haven't had the time to read everything that's out there yet. Actually, I keep hoping that I can win the lottery, have a lot of leisure time and just sit and catch up with my reading (well I can dream can't I?). This is not to say that I want people to stop writing - far from it. I will just keep downloading and reading wherever and whenever I can but in the meantime I would like to thank everybody for the amazing stuff that has been written so far. Kind regards Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: Genevieve To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 8:08 AM Subject: Feedback > > Carol wrote: > > > > >True confessions, I guess. I was > > >quite discouraged by the very minimal feedback on my Season 6 episode. To > > >this day, I'm still not sure what was wrong with it although I have several > > >ideas. > > Carol, you and I are in the same boat. I just spent ten months writing > a Highlander fanfic, and have gotten very little feedback on it, > especially if I discount the letters from people who just wanted to know > why I mentioned homosexuality in it. (It was set in Ancient Greece, for > heaven's sake!) I've got the sequel outlined, but I keep wondering if > it's worth working on it. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:07:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? Comments: To: bbmedos@booksanctuary.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beverly, I hear ya. Two initial thoughts and other comments: "B.B. Medos" wrote: > So, here are my questions. Am I completely alone in feeling this way? If not, > what would be the possibilities of starting an "bureau" of individuals who > don't mind reading and commenting fully on both works-in-progress and the same > kinds of problems in older stories as well as writers who need that kind of > assistance? I'm not sure how this could be worked, but a closed and truly > limited access e-mail loop comes to mind as one possible solution. No, you're not alone, but I think there might be some problems with this: 1) Creating a limited, e-mail group could become contentious. We've seen it happen before: "Oh, folcs, Daisy May is writing the greatest story! Wait till you see it!" "Where? Where can I get it?" "Oh, the story's not ready yet. I'm in a group that reads stories in advance and its not open for general membership." "Well, why can't I join? I'm a great person! I get straight "A"s, have a dog who loves me, I give to the needy and am a really fast reader, etc." And on and on.... FOLC WWXVIII 1/2 begins. Don't forget to buy bonds, support the troops, and tune in to a monitor near you. 2) I've already been reading comments from writers on the message board who say they don't want to post to the fanfic list because they've already posted their story on the message board with the intention of going directly to the archive with it. In other words, they're skipping the list altogether because they believe their stories will be over-exposed if posted on too many sites. I grudgingly admit, they have a point. I rarely read a re-posted story. If someone creates a PG version of their n-fic and I've read the n-fic version, I generally won't read the PG one, and -- surprisingly enough -- vice versa. It is a little deflating sometimes getting yourself excited over the promise of a "new" story only to find that you've already read it -- in some form or another. Now, don't get me wrong. I do read some of my favorites over. (I was just doing that this morning as a matter of fact.) But, that's more of a choice -- like watching a favorite episode on tape versus watching a re-run just because it's on. 3) This point relates to the second one. Folcs may be a sizeable group but we're not that big -- especially the universe of writers, editors, and those who actively contribute. I believe we've already stretched ourselves very thin, and, it's my contention, that that's why there's less fic and less fic discussion on the listserv. I mean, think about it, we have (and this is all I know of): For PG FIC: The Archive The Websites Demi's message board Zoomway's message board the fanfic listserv For N-FIC: The recently created n-fic list Demi's n-fic board Zoomway's n-fic board (old and new) Various websites where n-fic is housed or hosted (Thank god for that archive!) Some people would say, "let a hundred flowers bloom." But, when you only have five hundred flower enthusiasts to accompany that -- half of them mute -- you're stretching the capacity of the group to support itself. In my perfect world, there would be one archive and one list. The list would be used for posting work, discussion, analysis, help, critiquing and for all those other things you brought up, and the archive would be for the finished product (as well as all the individual websites which could be linked to the archive. :) The same would be the case for n-fic. One list to post, discuss, analyze, help, critique, brainstorm and one archive to pull it all together and point people to where the n-fic is housed -- either on Debby's list or on the various individual sites. The side benefit of all of this is that you're bringing all the folcs together, helping to foster new friendships in the process, creating cohesiveness. Instead we have little groups and cliques and "us vs. them." Of course, it's nice to have so many venues, but you can't put your heart and soul into each and everyone of them. Something's gotta give. > Feel free to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, but remember that I > am speaking from personal experience regarding what's holding me back > writing-wise. Feedback of this nature is not just helpful, but crucial to the > writing process for some of us. Without it, I don't know what else to do except > stop writing completely. Post whatever you have and I'll promise you a thorough analysis. Sandy smcdermin@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:58:23 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: OT: SATs and Free Agents MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you to everyone who answered my question, both privately and publicly. I have one more question following on from the SATs question, which is: Who runs the SATs - is there some national body involved? Also, high school grades are awarded for the exams you sit at the end of high school - ie, each school writes it's own exams? Is that right? Sorry, that was two questions :) You might want to send your answers privately so as not to clog up the list with this stuff. Thanks, Yvonne (yconnell@ukf.net) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:33:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: J C Bennett Subject: Feedback I have been guilty of not posting appreciation of the great fan fic that are sent to this list. I usually know what I like and what I don't like and my replies would be more in the line of "Great I like this". And "Me too" I have thought that authors want more than this in feedback so I have tended not to reply especially as there are so many articulate replies. Labrat's comments come to mind. I download almost all of the fics that are sent to this list the message boards and the archives some I read more than once. Sheila Harper, Demi, CCMalo, Labrat, Wendy Richards and Debby Stark are a few of the Authors whose stories I really enjoy. As for Season 6 I keep down loading them to print and read one after the other after they have all been written so I can get a sense of continuity. However, I have been tempted and I have taken a few peeks at the stories and am looking forward to reading them. I read CC Malo's episode and really enjoyed that it. I really don't the idea of the swap of bodies between Lois and Clark but in my peeks I thought that those episodes were well written. The temptation was so great that I have more than peeked at the last two episodes and I am on the edge of my seat waiting for what will come next. It will also be quite sad as this will mean that the Season has ended and as there are no plans to do another season this will be the end. Happily I hope that al of you will continue writing and we will continue to receive hours of enjoyment from your work. I would like to thank all the Season 5 And 6 authors. You helped many of us fans over serious withdrawal. I always wondered where the baby came from but in one of her posts quite recently Zoomway let us know that he did come from the future so that the episodes written in S5 & S6 could have occurred as you talented people wrote them. Did you know about the outline for the TV L&C season 5? Was this why you chose these story lines? Please all of you continue to write. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:56:59 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: OT: The Kingston-Hope FoLC wedding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heyya Gang, Well, I just got home from my weekend in New York. I just wanted to say the wedding was absolutely beautiful. I really enjoyed myself and it was great to *finally* meeting Lori, plus Nancy from Seattle, who just happened to be the Matron of Honor. (I had first met Karl in person a few years ago ) I took lots of pictures and on behalf of Lori and Karl, I was given the okay to set up a web site for those of you who would like to see how it went. Unfortunately, not all the pictures came out very well, but I took the best of the bunch and put them up for all to see. You can see them at: http://welcome.to/kingston.hope.wedding As soon as I receive the logs from IRC, they will also be added. I hope you enjoy them ... :) Anne :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Nfic Archive http://move.to/nfic (a new quick link URL) My Lois & Clark Web Site http://fly.to/superman.net "If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck ... chances are pretty good it is a duck." -- LL, SVFAP ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:18:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Peace's Wedding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations to Karl and Lori. It was very nice to see the photos of the wedding, (which I missed on the IRC yesterday, through forgetting to set my alarm to tune in on time.) When I have a little more time this afternoon, I plan on reading about the whole event on the site you've so kindly fixed up for us, Ann. Nan Smith ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:36:51 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Norman Mayes Subject: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please let me know if this posts ok. My test, sending it to myself was OK. This is all I've written so far. I�M NO SUPERHERO Clark stepped out onto the porch of his parents house and took a deep breath of the fresh, cool morning air. It promised to be a wonderful September day. Hardly a cloud in sight and the forecast was for bright and sunny, beautiful and warm. He only wished he had the time to enjoy it like it should be enjoyed. Maybe a baseball game or tramp through the woods. * Oh, well, * he thought, * time to get to work, so I can then �go� to work.* He had to be at the Smallville Gazette offices by 830. He headed for the tractor parked beside the barn. Pa needed it fixed �pronto�. It had broken down late yesterday and pa needed it for the harvest. Pa had mentioned it to him when he had gotten home from the newspaper office last night. He had promised to look at it and see the problem could be fixed by his special talents. Under cover of night, he gone to the field, picked it up and moved it next to the barn, so he could see to it in the morning. As he came next to it, he pulled his glasses down his nose and �looked � into the problem. * Ah, there�s the problem. The drive shaft had been bent. Probably by a rock thrown up by the tractor. Easily fixed. * By habit, he looked around the area, checking to see if there was anyone in sight. He didn�t expect there to be any one, as he considered his parents farm to be a �safe� area, but the habit had been drilled into him by his parents for years. It was simply part of him now. Seeing no one, he slipped his glasses back in place, carefully placed his hands on good positions at the front of the tractor and lifted it over his head. Balancing it on one end, he reached over, bent the drive shaft back into position and lowered the tractor back to the ground. * Should be fine now. * Clark turned to head back to the house and stopped dead. He suddenly had this chilling feeling that he was being �watched�. He turned and looked towards the barn. * OH, NO *. There was a stranger, a man, standing in the barn doorway. Looking at HIM. And he had this small smile on his face. All of his pa�s fearful prediction�s of doom flooded his mind in an instant and panic began to crawl up his throat from the pit of his stomach. �MOM, DAD,� he shouted and headed for the house. �MOM, DAD, COME QUICK. MOM, DAD.....HELP.� Clark raced through the porch door and into the kitchen. Ma and Pa were just getting up from the kitchen table. �Clark, what�s wr..� �Mom, Dad, someone... someone saw me. Outside, by the barn. I lifted the tractor. He was in the barn. He saw me. What are we going to do?� Martha was deeply shaken for a moment, but then she grabbed ahold of her imminent panic and stuffed it down deep inside of herself. Clark needed her to be strong for him. She grabbed a chair, pulled it out and said �Clark, sit down. Now! We�ll figure this out. What happened? Who saw you? Explain it slowly!� Martha�s strong calm words reached through Clark�s panic. He sat down, licked his lips and opened his mouth. There was a knock on the door. budmayes ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:38:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: kubitc Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol wrote: << Sandy's comments are apprpropriate here about the nature of the feedback on the two lists, I think. Positive comments are always wonderful; honest constructive criticism is invaluable (and thank you for yours Sandy :) Silence makes kind of a statement, too.>> Like most everyone else, I'm also guilty at not sending feedback. And, like everyone else, real life gets busy at times, but that's not my main reason for not giving feedback. I've taken a few fiction-writing classes and it was drilled into my head that there are good and bad parts of every story, and every time you critisize a story, you should know that there is something about it to compliment, too, and vice versa. No story is perfect. Having said that (and having believed it), it is hard for me to write fanfic feedback because I don't always feel it will be received with the sentiment it was sent. I don't write feedback often, but when I do I feel like I'm being dishonest with myself, since I don't feel comfortable sending negative feedback (constructive criticism) in this environment. Every time I do send feedback, I feel that I'm only telling part of the story, but I don't feel like the rest of the story is always welcome. I'm also not completely comfortable with the uber-compliemntary atmosphere that sometimes surfaces on-list. Again, no story is perfect, and no author is, either. And these are just my own personal feelings; I'm not trying to insult people who create or enjoy this sometimes worship-like atmosphere. There's a careful balance between over-complimentary and over-critical and I sure haven't found it myself. But I don't feel comfortable sending out constructive criticism in this atmosphere. Sandy wrote: >1) Creating a limited, e-mail group could become contentious. We've seen it >happen before [snip] >The side benefit of all of this is that you're bringing all the folcs >together, helping to foster new friendships in the process, creating >cohesiveness. Instead we have little groups and cliques and "us vs. >them." I think this happens all too easily on its own; creating a limited email group for fanfic discussion would only exacerbate it. It is nice for people to become friends based on common writing interests, but making such a group "official" may be hurtful since there are always going to be people who are left out and feel bad. And if it's open to everyone, it'll just turn into another incarnation of this list. Additionally, I know that people often write for the feedback and I can't understand this (and I have to admit that I like received honest complimentary feedback as much as the next writer). I write for myself. I decided to let other people read my stories (both fanfic and non-) because the stories were very important to me and, at first, people asked nicely to see what I was spending all my time doing. So I showed them. But I still write for myself; I write the stories I want to see written, even though I know they will not be the most popular. They are my stories, the stories I need to tell. Ann wrote: <<< >>>> Good, cuz I sure don't have one ;) Having said that the reason I don't usually write feedback was because of time, I have to say that what time does constrict is my fanfic-writing time. I'm afraid I usually don't get much writing done while school's in session because of my classes, plus (this being my senior year) having to log enough hours in lab to write an honors thesis next semester. I know other people have their own time drains, but that's mine ;) -Christy (bracing myself for dissenting responses...) kubitc@kenyon.edu * * * * * * * * * * "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead; his eyes are closed." -Albert Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:50:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic In-Reply-To: <95322587.250d5ad3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" AIEEEE!!!! Bud, get to work but FAST!!! This one has me on the edge of my seat.... At 03:36 PM 9/12/99 EDT, you wrote: >Please let me know if this posts ok. My test, sending it to myself was OK. >This is all I've written so far. > >I�M NO SUPERHERO I got it just fine, though the lines were uneven. But I wanna see some more, and SOON. What are you trying to do? Give me a heartattack?! Melisma /who is trying to control herself - patience, girl, you don't wanna scare him into GIVING UP on the story, now, do you? :) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:54:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oooooh! You're in *real* trouble. The rest of us will never let you alone, now, until we find out what happened. Nan Smith Norman Mayes wrote: > Please let me know if this posts ok. My test, sending it to myself was OK. > This is all I've written so far. > > I�M NO SUPERHERO > > Clark stepped out onto the porch of his parents house and took a deep > breath of > the fresh, cool morning air. It promised to be a wonderful September day. > Hardly a cloud > in sight and the forecast was for bright and sunny, beautiful and warm. He > only wished > he had the time to enjoy it like it should be enjoyed. Maybe a baseball game > or tramp > through the woods. * Oh, well, * he thought, * time to get to work, so I can > then �go� to > work.* He had to be at the Smallville Gazette offices by 830. > He headed for the tractor parked beside the barn. Pa needed it fixed > �pronto�. It > had broken down late yesterday and pa needed it for the harvest. Pa had > mentioned it to > him when he had gotten home from the newspaper office last night. He had > promised to > look at it and see the problem could be fixed by his special talents. Under > cover of night, > he gone to the field, picked it up and moved it next to the barn, so he could > see to it in the > morning. > As he came next to it, he pulled his glasses down his nose and �looked � > into the > problem. * Ah, there�s the problem. The drive shaft had been bent. Probably > by a rock > thrown up by the tractor. Easily fixed. * By habit, he looked around the > area, checking to > see if there was anyone in sight. He didn�t expect there to be any one, as he > considered > his parents farm to be a �safe� area, but the habit had been drilled into him > by his parents > for years. It was simply part of him now. > Seeing no one, he slipped his glasses back in place, carefully placed his > hands on > good positions at the front of the tractor and lifted it over his head. > Balancing it on one > end, he reached over, bent the drive shaft back into position and lowered the > tractor back > to the ground. * Should be fine now. * > Clark turned to head back to the house and stopped dead. He suddenly had > this > chilling feeling that he was being �watched�. He turned and looked towards > the barn. * > OH, NO *. There was a stranger, a man, standing in the barn doorway. Looking > at HIM. > And he had this small smile on his face. All of his pa�s fearful prediction�s > of doom > flooded his mind in an instant and panic began to crawl up his throat from > the pit of his > stomach. > �MOM, DAD,� he shouted and headed for the house. �MOM, DAD, COME > QUICK. MOM, DAD.....HELP.� > > Clark raced through the porch door and into the kitchen. Ma and Pa were > just > getting up from the kitchen table. > �Clark, what�s wr..� > �Mom, Dad, someone... someone saw me. Outside, by the barn. I lifted the > tractor. He was in the barn. He saw me. What are we going to do?� > Martha was deeply shaken for a moment, but then she grabbed ahold of her > imminent panic and stuffed it down deep inside of herself. Clark needed her > to be strong > for him. She grabbed a chair, pulled it out and said �Clark, sit down. Now! > We�ll figure > this out. What happened? Who saw you? Explain it slowly!� > Martha�s strong calm words reached through Clark�s panic. He sat down, > licked > his lips and opened his mouth. > There was a knock on the door. > > budmayes ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:00:00 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Norman Mayes Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-09-12 15:50:51 EDT, you write: <> I have the plot for this worked out. I just need to get it down. It's slow but getting there. As for the heart attack? If I caused one, then the scene works just fine. bud ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:09:39 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For all of you who didn't laugh at my whining post but send me feedback, either privately or on the list: Thank You!! Writing that post made me feel bad, as I knew it would, because I was making people feel guilty. (Jeez, I don't know what I'll do if I ever get a book published or a script produced. In real life, feedback is Pass/Fail--they buy your manuscript or reject it. Nothing in between. Then, having the only written feedback be critics' reviews would just kill me.) > I don't write feedback often, but when I do I feel like I'm being >dishonest with myself, since I don't feel comfortable sending negative >feedback (constructive criticism) in this environment. Every time I do send >feedback, I feel that I'm only telling part of the story, but I don't feel >like the rest of the story is always welcome. Christy, although I don't give feedback nearly as often as I should, I usually send mine directly to the writer--for that very reason. Just in case the writer is uncomfortable receiving public critique, I make sure my comments *aren't* public. English teacher that I am, I can hardly bear to ignore something that I think takes away from an otherwise exemplary story. So I tell the writer how much I liked their story, pointing out the wonderful moments, and then I mention the one thing (and I try to limit it to one thing) that bugs me the most. My students (and kids, for that matter) say they always expect that quiet "but..." after I compliment them, even when I don't say it. (Hmmm...sorta like Lois and her corn jokes in GGGoH, which is why Clark expects a caramel apple joke. That may not be a good thing.) >I'm also not completely comfortable with the uber-compliemntary atmosphere >that sometimes surfaces on-list. I don't feel comfortable sending out constructive >criticism in this atmosphere. I understand that, too, and it sometimes makes me hesitate to make what I hope are constructive suggestions. Again, that's why I post to writers directly. >Additionally, I know that people often write for the feedback and I can't >understand this. I write for myself. I >write the stories I want to see written, even though I know they will not be >the most popular. They are my stories, the stories I need to tell. I, too, write for myself because these are stories I want to tell, but I *post* for feedback. I've been the "writing what I want to write and getting nothing back except a form rejection letter" route. That's why I started writing fanfic--for the opportunity to find out how readers react to my stuff--and to practice suspenseful, page-turning plots. (I know, writing fanfic isn't supposed to be good practice for real writing since you're using characters and setting that are already set up--but I could write characters. I just needed the practice in increasing suspense.) >Having said that the reason I don't usually >write feedback was because of time, I have to say that what time does >constrict is my fanfic-writing time. Me, too :) Sheila ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:28:28 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: Peace's Wedding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lori and Karl, ditto Nan Congratulations merry Nancy Smith wrote: > Congratulations to Karl and Lori. It was very nice to see the photos of > the wedding, (which I missed on the IRC yesterday, through forgetting to > set my alarm to tune in on time.) When I have a little more time this > afternoon, I plan on reading about the whole event on the site you've so > kindly fixed up for us, Ann. > > Nan Smith ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:32:09 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit keep it coming - sounds like the beginning of a great story merry Nancy Smith wrote: > Oooooh! You're in *real* trouble. The rest of us will never let you alone, > now, until we find out what happened. > > Nan Smith > > Norman Mayes wrote: > > > Please let me know if this posts ok. My test, sending it to myself was OK. > > This is all I've written so far. > > > > I�M NO SUPERHERO > > > > Clark stepped out onto the porch of his parents house and took a deep > > breath of > > the fresh, cool morning air. It promised to be a wonderful September day. > > Hardly a cloud > > in sight and the forecast was for bright and sunny, beautiful and warm. He > > only wished > > he had the time to enjoy it like it should be enjoyed. Maybe a baseball game > > or tramp > > through the woods. * Oh, well, * he thought, * time to get to work, so I can > > then �go� to > > work.* He had to be at the Smallville Gazette offices by 830. > > He headed for the tractor parked beside the barn. Pa needed it fixed > > �pronto�. It > > had broken down late yesterday and pa needed it for the harvest. Pa had > > mentioned it to > > him when he had gotten home from the newspaper office last night. He had > > promised to > > look at it and see the problem could be fixed by his special talents. Under > > cover of night, > > he gone to the field, picked it up and moved it next to the barn, so he could > > see to it in the > > morning. > > As he came next to it, he pulled his glasses down his nose and �looked � > > into the > > problem. * Ah, there�s the problem. The drive shaft had been bent. Probably > > by a rock > > thrown up by the tractor. Easily fixed. * By habit, he looked around the > > area, checking to > > see if there was anyone in sight. He didn�t expect there to be any one, as he > > considered > > his parents farm to be a �safe� area, but the habit had been drilled into him > > by his parents > > for years. It was simply part of him now. > > Seeing no one, he slipped his glasses back in place, carefully placed his > > hands on > > good positions at the front of the tractor and lifted it over his head. > > Balancing it on one > > end, he reached over, bent the drive shaft back into position and lowered the > > tractor back > > to the ground. * Should be fine now. * > > Clark turned to head back to the house and stopped dead. He suddenly had > > this > > chilling feeling that he was being �watched�. He turned and looked towards > > the barn. * > > OH, NO *. There was a stranger, a man, standing in the barn doorway. Looking > > at HIM. > > And he had this small smile on his face. All of his pa�s fearful prediction�s > > of doom > > flooded his mind in an instant and panic began to crawl up his throat from > > the pit of his > > stomach. > > �MOM, DAD,� he shouted and headed for the house. �MOM, DAD, COME > > QUICK. MOM, DAD.....HELP.� > > > > Clark raced through the porch door and into the kitchen. Ma and Pa were > > just > > getting up from the kitchen table. > > �Clark, what�s wr..� > > �Mom, Dad, someone... someone saw me. Outside, by the barn. I lifted the > > tractor. He was in the barn. He saw me. What are we going to do?� > > Martha was deeply shaken for a moment, but then she grabbed ahold of her > > imminent panic and stuffed it down deep inside of herself. Clark needed her > > to be strong > > for him. She grabbed a chair, pulled it out and said �Clark, sit down. Now! > > We�ll figure > > this out. What happened? Who saw you? Explain it slowly!� > > Martha�s strong calm words reached through Clark�s panic. He sat down, > > licked > > his lips and opened his mouth. > > There was a knock on the door. > > > > budmayes ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:33:32 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit norman - keep it coming - sounds like the beginning of a great story merry Norman Mayes wrote: > Please let me know if this posts ok. My test, sending it to myself was OK. > This is all I've written so far. > > I�M NO SUPERHERO > > Clark stepped out onto the porch of his parents house and took a deep > breath of > the fresh, cool morning air. It promised to be a wonderful September day. > Hardly a cloud > in sight and the forecast was for bright and sunny, beautiful and warm. He > only wished > he had the time to enjoy it like it should be enjoyed. Maybe a baseball game > or tramp > through the woods. * Oh, well, * he thought, * time to get to work, so I can > then �go� to > work.* He had to be at the Smallville Gazette offices by 830. > He headed for the tractor parked beside the barn. Pa needed it fixed > �pronto�. It > had broken down late yesterday and pa needed it for the harvest. Pa had > mentioned it to > him when he had gotten home from the newspaper office last night. He had > promised to > look at it and see the problem could be fixed by his special talents. Under > cover of night, > he gone to the field, picked it up and moved it next to the barn, so he could > see to it in the > morning. > As he came next to it, he pulled his glasses down his nose and �looked � > into the > problem. * Ah, there�s the problem. The drive shaft had been bent. Probably > by a rock > thrown up by the tractor. Easily fixed. * By habit, he looked around the > area, checking to > see if there was anyone in sight. He didn�t expect there to be any one, as he > considered > his parents farm to be a �safe� area, but the habit had been drilled into him > by his parents > for years. It was simply part of him now. > Seeing no one, he slipped his glasses back in place, carefully placed his > hands on > good positions at the front of the tractor and lifted it over his head. > Balancing it on one > end, he reached over, bent the drive shaft back into position and lowered the > tractor back > to the ground. * Should be fine now. * > Clark turned to head back to the house and stopped dead. He suddenly had > this > chilling feeling that he was being �watched�. He turned and looked towards > the barn. * > OH, NO *. There was a stranger, a man, standing in the barn doorway. Looking > at HIM. > And he had this small smile on his face. All of his pa�s fearful prediction�s > of doom > flooded his mind in an instant and panic began to crawl up his throat from > the pit of his > stomach. > �MOM, DAD,� he shouted and headed for the house. �MOM, DAD, COME > QUICK. MOM, DAD.....HELP.� > > Clark raced through the porch door and into the kitchen. Ma and Pa were > just > getting up from the kitchen table. > �Clark, what�s wr..� > �Mom, Dad, someone... someone saw me. Outside, by the barn. I lifted the > tractor. He was in the barn. He saw me. What are we going to do?� > Martha was deeply shaken for a moment, but then she grabbed ahold of her > imminent panic and stuffed it down deep inside of herself. Clark needed her > to be strong > for him. She grabbed a chair, pulled it out and said �Clark, sit down. Now! > We�ll figure > this out. What happened? Who saw you? Explain it slowly!� > Martha�s strong calm words reached through Clark�s panic. He sat down, > licked > his lips and opened his mouth. > There was a knock on the door. > > budmayes ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:40:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Clarissa Kent Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Great job! I can't wait to hear the rest! Norman Mayes wrote: > > Please let me know if this posts ok. My test, sending it to myself was OK. > This is all I've written so far. > > I�M NO SUPERHERO > > Clark stepped out onto the porch of his parents house and took a deep > breath of > the fresh, cool morning air. It promised to be a wonderful September day. > Hardly a cloud > in sight and the forecast was for bright and sunny, beautiful and warm. He > only wished > he had the time to enjoy it like it should be enjoyed. Maybe a baseball game > or tramp > through the woods. * Oh, well, * he thought, * time to get to work, so I can > then �go� to > work.* He had to be at the Smallville Gazette offices by 830. > He headed for the tractor parked beside the barn. Pa needed it fixed > �pronto�. It > had broken down late yesterday and pa needed it for the harvest. Pa had > mentioned it to > him when he had gotten home from the newspaper office last night. He had > promised to > look at it and see the problem could be fixed by his special talents. Under > cover of night, > he gone to the field, picked it up and moved it next to the barn, so he could > see to it in the > morning. > As he came next to it, he pulled his glasses down his nose and �looked � > into the > problem. * Ah, there�s the problem. The drive shaft had been bent. Probably > by a rock > thrown up by the tractor. Easily fixed. * By habit, he looked around the > area, checking to > see if there was anyone in sight. He didn�t expect there to be any one, as he > considered > his parents farm to be a �safe� area, but the habit had been drilled into him > by his parents > for years. It was simply part of him now. > Seeing no one, he slipped his glasses back in place, carefully placed his > hands on > good positions at the front of the tractor and lifted it over his head. > Balancing it on one > end, he reached over, bent the drive shaft back into position and lowered the > tractor back > to the ground. * Should be fine now. * > Clark turned to head back to the house and stopped dead. He suddenly had > this > chilling feeling that he was being �watched�. He turned and looked towards > the barn. * > OH, NO *. There was a stranger, a man, standing in the barn doorway. Looking > at HIM. > And he had this small smile on his face. All of his pa�s fearful prediction�s > of doom > flooded his mind in an instant and panic began to crawl up his throat from > the pit of his > stomach. > �MOM, DAD,� he shouted and headed for the house. �MOM, DAD, COME > QUICK. MOM, DAD.....HELP.� > > Clark raced through the porch door and into the kitchen. Ma and Pa were > just > getting up from the kitchen table. > �Clark, what�s wr..� > �Mom, Dad, someone... someone saw me. Outside, by the barn. I lifted the > tractor. He was in the barn. He saw me. What are we going to do?� > Martha was deeply shaken for a moment, but then she grabbed ahold of her > imminent panic and stuffed it down deep inside of herself. Clark needed her > to be strong > for him. She grabbed a chair, pulled it out and said �Clark, sit down. Now! > We�ll figure > this out. What happened? Who saw you? Explain it slowly!� > Martha�s strong calm words reached through Clark�s panic. He sat down, > licked > his lips and opened his mouth. > There was a knock on the door. > > budmayes ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:29:48 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/12/1999 5:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes: <> I wouldn't have guessed. I thought you had this quite perfected. So, when do we get more stories from you? --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:51:01 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: J C Bennett Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic Don't keep us in suspense too long ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 17:38:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: J C Bennett Subject: Re: The Kingston-Hope FoLC wedding Congratulations to Lori and Karl. I looked at the pictures and they really were very nice everyone looked so happy. I am so glad that these pictures were posted. You know we all like happy endings please happiness and contentment to you both JEANNE ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:00:51 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (01/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... note: if you wish to download the entire story without dealing with the hassle of multiple emails, you can find the text file at http://www.angelfire.com/ny/loisclark/fumbling.txt Author's note: This is a request piece that I wrote based on an idea from Jeffrey Ayers. I doubt it's exactly what he had in mind when he asked me to write it, but I just can't seem to keep my mind on a leash! It doesn't listen to me very much. I hope he likes it anyway. :) The idea of Supergirl was used with quite a bit of creative license. First of all, this is not necessarily *my* opinion of the hero-- she is being seen through Lois-and-Clark-tinted-glasses. Also, I used the "Kara Zor-El from Argo City, Krypton" basis, and changed everything that I wanted changed. (I do that, you may have noticed, if you've read my other works. ) I figured that if the show can take elements from the comics and change them around to fit their evil purposes, so can I. :) This story is set in early second season, after both Lois and Clark know that they're in love with each other, but neither knows that the other one is in love with them, and both are willing to accept friendship as sort of a lovely consolation prize, all the while wishing that they'd won the trip to Hawaii, if you get my drift. :) But Rome is a nice second choice. And this story would never have been finished (or at least it wouldn't have been *nearly* as interesting) without the help of my dear friend Rachel. Thanks for your support, your ideas, your help, and your editing. And your nagging, although I may not have appreciated that fully at the time. :) Also, thanks go out to Helene for her encouragement, Sarah McLachlan for her song title which I swiped, and a few tour guides who in no way are the basis for any characters. I do have one more thing to say, which all readers *must* know: IMPORTANT NOTE: Supergirl is Superman's cousin. And so I bring you..... FUMBLING TOWARDS ECSTASY by Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com, Kirshnera on the IRC) "Here's your mail, Mr. Kent," said the young boy walking past and dumping envelopes onto Clark's desk. "Thanks, Marc," he said absently to the boy, who was already gone. "So, I was thinking," he said, resuming his conversation with Lois, "that if we order >from Tina's, it'll actually take less time to get here than if we order from January Deli." "How do you figure?" "Well, January's right down the street, and it takes less time for the actual delivery. But it's been pretty busy lately. A lot of the time, the delivery person has to take an indirect route to get here. Plus, it takes a while to make everything, and they tend to put the orders of the customers who are actually there over the phoned or faxed in orders." "And Tina's doesn't?" "Not as much, because they're not as busy." "But what if we actually walked to January?" "Well..." That one stumped him. "I guess that works if it's a nice day or we're not too busy...." "Hey, what's this?" "What's what?" "This," she replied, gesturing to an envelope that was resting next to the spot on his desk where she was sitting. "It looks like an invitation. Mind if I open it?" "Go ahead." It was a little card inviting Clark to Supergirl's twenty-first birthday bash. Dick Grayson, a special friend of Supergirl's, had borrowed money from *his* friend, Bruce Wayne, and was throwing the week long party for her. It was going to be in Italy, with a hotel in Rome and excursions to many outlying places of interest. Clark, although he could use the excuse that he was busy, would be expected to at least make some appearances as Superman. But, he'd prefer to go on the trip as "Clark." Kara, as he liked to call his cousin, knew this and therefore had extended the invitation to him in that persona. Besides, it gave Clark an excuse to Perry about why he would be gone for so long. Lois was examining the invitation, and flipped it over. There was a handwritten note on the back. "Clark," she read, accentuating the words ridiculously, "you simply *must* come! This is going to be the most incredible thing in the world! I know you've probably seen Rome already, but this is with a tour guide and all. I'll just *die* if you're not there! And I'll *never* forgive you. So you *have* to show up. I can't *wait* to see you! *Love,* Kara." Lois looked at Clark, her eyebrows raised. She crossed her legs and leaned in a little. "Kara?" She knew when she assumed that position and that tone of voice that she could make her partner squirm. It never failed. "It's... It's her Kryptonian name," he said defensively. He always felt defensive when she did that. "*Love,* Kara?" He shrugged helplessly. Lois sighed and left. She went to her own desk and sat down, looking through *her* mail. She, of course, had no invitation to Supergirl's little get-together. Just Clark. Good old Clark, Supergirl's favorite reporter. Actually, Lois didn't really expect an invitation-- she'd hardly even interacted with the superhero. It was really mostly Lois' fault, she knew. She knew, but she didn't care. She did *not* like that girl. First of all, she had the gall to come to Metropolis wearing *his* crest, *his* colors, and copping off of *his* good name. And when Lois had asked her about her costume (actually about how revealing it was and what message she was trying to send), she had laughed and replied, "Oh, Miss Lane, it's just a female thing." As if Lois didn't know about what females liked to wear! And right in front of Clark! Lois had seen in that instant >from the way she was grinning at Clark that she was trying to impress him. And then, at the end of the interview, she'd looked directly at him and said, "If there's anything else at all, you know where to reach me." Just like that. Totally ignoring Lois, of course. And Clark had looked at Lois when Supergirl had flown away and said, "Isn't she great?" Lois hadn't been able to reply. Since then, Lois had wondered whether she had misunderstood what Supergirl had meant, or maybe that Supergirl had simply misspoken or hadn't thought it out before saying it. But Lois' opinion of Supergirl had been tainted with it, and she treated her as someone she didn't know and didn't care to know. And it irked her that Clark was so close to Supergirl. It irked her that Superman was so close to Supergirl. Last night, she had been talking to Superman when he'd said that he had to leave. She'd asked him if it was an emergency. He'd said no, that he was meeting Supergirl for dinner. That in itself wasn't so terrible. Lois could deal with Superman and Supergirl having dinner together. After all, even if she *was* almost ten years younger than him, they were from the same planet. They were the only two of their kind, and so they had a special relationship. Except, it was eroding Lois and Superman's special friendship. And that stung, just a bit, like a speck of dust in the eye. Still, it was Clark that upset her. Clark was... well, he was *hers.* End of story. She *loved* Clark, more than anything else, even if he didn't know. Plus, he was her partner. And her best friend. As such, he was absolutely, one hundred percent *verboten* to any other woman. Hands-off. Superman, she could share. She had to share him with the entire world, anyway. But not Clark. Never Clark. And especially not with that twenty-year-old *slut*! Lois closed her eyes and pinched the bridge of her nose, trying to calm her mental tempest. What was her problem here? Oh, yes, that Clark had been personally invited to a week long party by Supergirl. A party during which he had nothing better to do than to hang out with who was probably the only person there he would know except for Superman. And Lois was getting the impression that although invited, Superman was not going to be able to attend-- he would be too noble to stop his services to the world for an entire week. Yes, that was a problem. But, how to resolve it? Simple. Lois would just have to accompany him to the party. She'd have to convince him somehow to let her come with him, even paying her own way if she had to, convince him to let her share his invitation and his hotel room. And his hotel room... Now *there* was an interesting thought. She closed her eyes and pondered it for a minute. Warm shivers ran down her spine. The two of them, alone together, in close quarters, away from the important news of the city... it usually meant romance. Nothing very explicit. But still romance. Inadvertent touches which made her skin tingle. Deep, intimate conversations, late at night when all the lights were off. Getting ready for bed together. Clark, dressed way, way down. That in itself was enough to make her blood boil and her heart try to pound its way out of the constraints of her chest. But, her sexual interest in the situation aside, she *had* to get to that party with him. CONTINUED IN PART 2 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:01:43 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (03/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... CONTINUED FROM PART 2 ****************************** She had decided to walk over to Clark's apartment that evening, to catch him at home, where he would be comfortable, and probably slightly more approachable than he would have been at work that day, after having been run out on. Lois ran the entire scene through her head. She knew exactly how she was going to play it. As she got up to his door, she slowed her pace, mentally calming herself for the task she was about to undertake. As she did so, however, she saw Clark's door open. Did he have company? She stood near his door, hidden enough by the shadows that it wouldn't look like she was hiding from her if he saw her, but masked enough that he probably wouldn't. The light from Clark's apartment came pouring out onto the sidewalk of Clinton Street, throwing a bright light on the shadow that was nighttime in the Upper East Side. In the light, Lois could see two silhouettes outlined. One was tall and muscular-- obviously Clark. The other was unmistakably female. Flowing hair that was slightly longer than shoulder-length, a short skirt, shapely legs, and clothing tight enough to outline her breasts almost grotesquely. Lois held her breath and listened, attempting to sink more fully into the shadows. "Clark, I had a great time. We should do this more often," came a dulcet feminine voice. "Yeah," came the sound of her partner's voice, agreeing. "Well, you take care of yourself." A tinkling laugh sounded at his statement. "When have I not?" "Goodbye, Kara." "Goodbye, Clark." Then, to Lois' horror, Supergirl, for that was the identity of the shapely silhouette, leaned over and kissed Clark on the lips. It was neither long nor passionate. In fact, it seemed rather platonic. But it was a goodbye kiss, something that you gave someone when you already kissed them all the time. Friends did not kiss each other goodbye. Salt was added to the wound when Supergirl said to him, "Love you!" He replied with the same, and she flew off. That was the killer. Lois' heart sank into her stomach. Tears formed in her eyes. She felt like she was going to be sick. All she wanted to do was get out of here. It was cold out. Funny, she hadn't really noticed it before. As she walked back through the streets of the Upper East Side, she shuddered. It had been one thing to walk toward Clark's house, certain of the welcome she'd get there. It was almost like she was walking *with* Clark, in his own neighborhood. But now, alone, she was going through one of the not-so-nice parts of Metropolis, in the middle of the night, and it all seemed that much more dangerous. She couldn't wait to get back into Chelsea, a far more upscale and safe district. Her own neighborhood, where the people were polite if slightly cold, and where evildoers had long since learned not to go due to the myriad of alarm systems, the rapidity of police responses, and the usually armed and ready-to-fight denizens of any place they could think to rob. The wind had picked up, and Lois was chilled to the bone by the time she got onto Carter Avenue. She jogged the rest of the way to her apartment building and raced inside and up the stairs. She was going to explode, and she wanted to be alone in her apartment when she did it. She slammed the door and vowed never to go near the Upper East Side again, never walk down Clinton Street again, and definitely *never* step up to the door of number 344. Not if her life depended on it. Damn Clark Kent! Damn him to hell! How could he? She threw herself on the bed and slammed a fist into the pillow. It didn't respond well enough, and her next target was the slightly resilient mattress. Much better. Much more like human flesh. Much more satisfying. Her anger was far from spent, but destruction gave way to a more powerful urge, and Lois collapsed, burying her face in her pillow. Hot, angry, betrayed, and crushed tears poured out, creating two damp spots on the cotton. *************************** Clark smiled as he watched his cousin disappear into the night sky. It was so nice to have an actual relative around. Martha and Jonathan were, of course, the best parents he could possibly imagine, but there was still the lack of blood between them and him. Kara was the only other one of his species and of his family on the planet Earth, and that lent a certain special tint to their relationship. She was closer to him than a sister would have been. And he felt relieved by their conversation. As it turned out, Kara and Dick had planned for a possible extra person or two, and Lois would not throw the entire equation off-balance. Clark had explained his predicament to Kara, and she had told him that if he wanted to bring her along, it would be fine with her. They had bought a few extra plane tickets, just in case, and there were a few people who did not have roommates. They were going two to three in a room, but had left three people with their own rooms. Clark, due to the needs of his secret identity, had one of those rooms. The other two people either had no secret identity or had no need to use it. And so Lois would either be rooming with a stranger, or... him. When Kara had said that, Clark could tell exactly what she was thinking. She knew that Clark would love to have Lois share his hotel room for a week, even if it meant dealing with the difficulty of his secret. And it was true. Clark wanted Lois to come with him, to be near him for the entire week. But at what expense? It might not turn out so well if he were to invite her only to have her find out his secret and hate him for the duration of the trip and possibly for the rest of his life. It was a hard decision to make, no doubt. And pondering it didn't have the desired effect of making it easier. His heart said there was only one answer that was worth anything. His head said the same. Unfortunately, they didn't agree which answer it was. It made him think of a line from a song in "Grease," "My head is saying, 'Fool! Forget him!' My heart is saying, 'Don't let go!'" Great, now not only did he have a problem to solve, he also had Olivia Newton-John's voice in his head. An quick trip to his CD player and a John Lennon album solved the lesser of the two problems, but the greater still frustrated him. He decided to look at it practically. What did Lois want? To go to the party. What did he want? For Lois to go to the party. What did Kara say? That it was fine if Lois wanted to come. And, most importantly, what problems would it cause? His secret identity was the only potential problem-- it would be put in jeopardy. It might be difficult to get around Lois to be Superman. So the real question was how much of a risk was it? Well, getting around Lois. That was nothing new. He always got around her, so to speak, with excuses for everything. Not good excuses, usually, but excuses nonetheless. And whether or not she actually believed them, she didn't usually question them. This would be nothing new to her. So how much trouble was his secret actually in? Not that much more than it was every day, really. So that was settled. But, would the pleasure of having Lois there be worth the pain of having to leave her to be Superman? Would the comfort of not having to hide be worth her anger at being left in Metropolis without him? Which held more benefit, which more danger? And at that, he paused. What right had he to decide this? What right had he to base the decision on *his* pleasure, when it wasn't all about him, but about him and Lois? *She* wanted it. And he... well, he wasn't exactly against spending a week with her. He *knew* it would cause problems. But if you wanted to go that route, leaving her here would cause problems, too. So he ended the circling that his mind was doing with a firm decision. Yes. ************************** CONTINUED IN PART 4 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:01:28 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (02/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... CONTINUED FROM PART 1 Later that day, as Lois and Clark were readying themselves to leave, she walked over to his desk. "Hey, Clark." "Hi." "Wanna come over tonight? Pizza, beer, and movies for some nice down time?" "Sure, sounds like fun. Oh, wait, you know what? My mom just emailed me this new recipe I wanted to try. So why don't you come over to my place, and we can have that instead of pizza?" "Okay." She couldn't keep a little part of a silly smile from her face. It was that easy. "So, you, um, ready to leave?" "Yeah, just a sec." He shut his computer down and clicked of the desk lamp. "All set." "All right, let's go then." They pulled on their coats as they headed out the door. ************************** "What movies do you want?" Lois asked Clark as they both stood in front of a rack of videos at Chandler's Video. "It doesn't really matter," he replied. "Is there anything new that's any good?" "Not really. Here's an old favorite, though." "What's that?" "Help!" "Help!?" "Yeah, you know, the Beatles' movie. 'Help!' Ever seen it?" "No, I haven't." "Oh, we have to get this, then." She reached out and picked up the video. "Now, what else?" Clark shrugged. "Whatever you want, Lois." "Okay, how about this? 'The Court Jester.'" "With Danny Kaye?" "Yeah. I love this movie." "All right, let's check these out." ****************************** It was pitch black outside. It was also seven degrees and snowing. Clark's apartment was dark, except for the glow of the television and one candle on the coffee table. It's scent, Hazelnut Cappuccino, permeated the air around the friends, scenting it pleasantly. The two were two-thirds of the way though "The Court Jester" and had long since finished their dinner and "Help!." They were both wearing casual clothes, Lois having changed into the spare outfit she kept at Clark's house. Clark's arm was around her, holding her pleasantly close. She sighed and snuggled closer to him, his body warm and comfortable. Clark smiled to himself as she did so. They might be just best friends, but it still *felt* good. "Clark?" she asked. "Hmmm?" "You're going to that Rome thing, aren't you?" "Supergirl's party? Yeah." "Why?" "Well, she wanted me to come. She's a little nervous about it, that's all." "Are you going to write a story on it?" "Yeah. Just a little Entertainment bit. I'll probably consider some of it my vacation time." "What about me?" "What *about* you?" "I'm your partner, remember? What if I want to help with the story?" "Lois, we don't partner up for every little thing. You know that. Besides, this isn't your style. Nothing exciting's probably even going to happen." "Well, sure, but I... well, I'd like to see Rome. And what if something *does* happen? You wouldn't want to be partnerless." "What could possibly happen? It's a party!" he protested. She looked at him as if wondering how he could be so naive. "A party full of superheroes and other important people. Even if no normal crooks would be dumb enough to attempt a crime while they're there, there might be some criminals arrogant enough to try to prove themselves by getting away with something." "Well, Lois, that might be true, but it's certainly not my place to invite someone else to such an expensive party!" "If it comes to that, I'll pay my own way." "Lois..." He trailed off, trying to come up with another good argument. There was a *very* good reason why she couldn't come with him. It would blow his disguise. If she came with him, she'd have to stay in the same hotel room as him-- there'd be absolutely no way they could get another one now. And he had to make multiple appearances as Superman. He couldn't exactly say, "Excuse me, Lois, I have to use the rest room for the next hour and a half while Superman visits Supergirl." He'd be dodging her all week, something he absolutely hated to do. "Just forget it, okay? We need at least half of Lane and Kent here in Metropolis, or it'd fall apart." "Metropolis would be just fine *without* Lane and Kent for a week. Hell, it's lived through more than that before." "Lois, forget it," he repeated. "I'm going alone." Lois' eyes narrowed as the tone of his words was apparent to her. She stood and walked into the bedroom, retrieving her work clothes. She grabbed her coat on the way out and pulled it on, silent all the while. Just before she opened the door to leave, she turned to her partner. "This isn't over, Clark." Not even close to over. And he *would* give in. With that, she left. ******************************* The next day dawned cold and snowy. It was three degrees Fahrenheit, with a wind-chill of negative sixteen. Driving was difficult, even though the snowplows had already been through the streets of Metropolis, pushing most of the dirty, gritty, not-quite-white powder to the side of the road, where it lay to annoy pedestrians by forcing them to walk in the streets. Lois left her house a few minutes early so that she would have time to brush off the snow and scrape off the ice that had accumulated on her car. She started the car first, hoping to warm it slightly before she got in, then did the dirty task of snow removal before driving to work through the slushy roads. The first thing she saw when she got to work was, naturally, her partner. The most stubborn (okay, well, *second* most stubborn) reporter in the news business. After her first glimpse of him, however, she did not pay him any further attention. She wasn't yet sure what she wanted to say or do about the situation. If she knew how he felt, everything would be oh, so much simpler. But of course that was impossible. And it was, well... embarrassing. She'd asked, he'd said no. She'd pushed, and he'd still said no. That in itself wasn't so awful. But it was the way he'd said it. She'd given him so many opportunities to tell her yes, and his rejection of her proposal could easily be interpreted as a rejection of *her.* It wasn't like she'd been completely honest about her reasons to come, but still.... And if he had a reason not to invite her, what was it? Why wouldn't he tell her? Did he just want to get away from her for a while? Or was it something else? It couldn't possibly be... Supergirl? She *had* personally invited him. And he had been talking a lot about her lately. Not in a sense that many people would notice. But his speech was garnished with the occasional "Supergirl said that..." followed by some piece of information, usually something trivial and pointless. Could *she* be the reason Clark wanted to go off alone? And, if she was, how much harder would it be for Lois to convince him to let her come? What could she do? What could she say? But she had to use whatever she could to get in to that party. It wasn't that she wanted the story. It wasn't even that she wanted what Clark didn't want to let her have. If she couldn't manage to get in with him, what chance did... they... have in the future? It was a challenge. She was suddenly consumed with the desire for a definition. A definition of their relationship. She didn't want ambiguity any longer. And this party could prove to be a dictionary. Well, that was melodramatic. But, unfortunately, it was also true. It had to start with an apology. She'd have to apologize for being so rude to him last night. And she'd take it from there. ****************************** CONTINUED IN PART 3 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:02:08 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (04/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... CONTINUED FROM PART 3 She was asleep. Until, that was, the knocking woke her. Her mind and body reviled at whoever was at the door, whoever was making her get up. She'd been crying, she'd been sleeping, and she probably looked like Hell or Death, or both, and now she had to act pleasant or polite, or both. And there was absolutely nothing she could do about her puffy-eyed appearance because they were at the door *now.* She could only run a brush through her hair and glare into the mirror. She knew it was unreasonable to be mad at a person-- she didn't even know who it was-- when it couldn't possibly be their fault, but she was. Well, maybe she didn't have to be pleasant or polite. It depended on who it was. The knocking continued. "I'm coming!" she yelled. It stopped. Finally. She walked to the door and undid the several locks. With each twist and turn, she got more annoyed with whoever was behind the door. Finally, she flung it open violently. Standing there with an idiotic smile on his face was her partner. "What do you want?" she snapped. "Lois... I... is something the matter?" He obviously had no idea what was going on. Not that he ever did. "No! Nothing's the matter! What do you want?" "I... I just want to talk to you." The hurt, confused look on his face just served to further annoy her. She couldn't tell him what was wrong, and that was even more annoying. And she knew it wasn't that much-- he could probably have thousands of explanations for what she had seen if she asked him, but she couldn't. So she knew she was blowing it way out of proportion, but she just couldn't shake the anger, illogical as it was. She turned away. As she was standing, her back to him, she felt Clark's hand on her shoulder, his fingers brushing her neck. It felt... good, but it wasn't enough, and became frustrating. Didn't he *know*? Didn't he even know how to touch her? This simple, endearing brush of skin that gave her goosebumps but nothing else... it wasn't right. Couldn't he tell? She shrugged his hand off. It had to be bigger than that. "Lois..." Clark was beginning to realize that there was nothing he could do, nothing that he could say to fix Lois' problem. If he was soft-spoken and gentle, she'd get annoyed and introspective. If he was rough or angry, she'd get even more riled up. What was a guy to do? With every passing second, Lois was getting more upset. Why couldn't he just do something? Why did he always have to be so naive? She breathed deeply. It was only a matter of time before this was going to be over. If he didn't know now, he wouldn't, no matter how long he thought it over. It was either intrinsic, or it wasn't. And if it wasn't.... One try. He was going to give it one try. The worst that could happen was that he'd fall prey to the anger her mysterious problem had caused. She was still facing the wall, her back to him. Her arms were crossed in front of her, in a defiant pose. She wasn't looking at him. Only her deliberate unmoving stance acknowledged his presence. She was waiting.... Lois was on the verge of tears, again. But then she felt warm, strong arms encircle her, pulling her tightly against Clark. Her breath came out hard. This was what her body had wanted from him, almost. Almost... She gripped his forearms, her eyes closed. "Lois," he murmured in her ear, not quite a whisper, "I talked to Kara." She stiffened. He held her a little tighter in response, not leaving her the freedom of escape. "If you want to come, come." This wasn't the invitation she'd wanted. Grudgingly given, it meant less than nothing. He had to say... "Come with me, Lois." "Of course," she whispered back. Then, the moment became awkward. In her mind, she would turn and kiss him. In her dreams, she would... But in her reality, she remembered his words to Kara such a short time ago. Harsh, cold, but true. Clark was in love with Kara. But if he loved Kara, what was he doing here, his arms around her? The persistent hope stuck by Lois. But it wasn't enough to allow her to finish this the way she wanted. Gently, gently, she pulled away and turned to face him. He was smiling softly. It sent a shiver up and down her spine and she wondered if he knew what kind of effect he had on her. "We leave Friday," he said, his voice still low. "I'll pick you up at one thirty in the afternoon. The plane takes off at three. We have a layover in Philadelphia which should give the whole group enough time to get ready and to go through customs. Then, it's a nine hour flight to Italy. We land in the Leonardo Da Vinci Airport in Fiumicino on Saturday at about noon. We check into the Hotel Portamaggiore in Rome as soon as we've all got our luggage and are on a bus that will be waiting for us." With each word of the plans, Lois' grin grew wider. It had happened. Not the way she had wanted it to, but it had happened. "The main thing that we have to decide is accommodations. Kara told me that she had left three people without room mates just in case other people came. There's one female that you could room with-- Diana Prince." "You mean..." "Wonder Woman." "Oh, boy." Wonder Woman was not Lois' first choice in room mates. Not even close. Great. Now that she'd gone to all the trouble to get in here, she wouldn't even be able to room with who she wanted to room with. Maybe it had been naive of her to actually think that she and Clark would... "Well, you have another option. I'm one of the two guys without roommates." "Oh!" It was really amazing the way things worked out, Lois mused. After striking out earlier, her game certainly seemed to be taking a new path. "There's really no choice, then, is there?" "Well, I..." "It doesn't bother you, does it?" "No. I mean, it's great..." Great. Absolutely, fantastically great. Stunning, shocking, breathtaking... "Okay. Um, I guess... How cold does it get over there?" "Not too bad. About forty. It's just a little bit south of here when you're talking latitude." "That's good..." Now that Lois was in on the trip, she suddenly realized all that went into it. Things that Clark had known for a while, but she hadn't even thought about. Things like what to bring, what they were doing, what sites they were going to... "I've made you a copy of the itinerary," Clark said, handing her a sheet of paper. "And if you have any questions or anything, just call me." "Thank you, and I will. I guess I'll start packing." "Good idea. See you tomorrow." "Okay." "Ciao ciao," he said with a grin. "Ciao ciao, Clark," she returned. Clark walked out and shut the door behind him. He ran his hands through his hair and smiled. ************************* Lois leaned against the closed door and smiled. It was done. It was done, she had succeeded, and all she had left to do was pack, plan, and worry. The latter came easiest. What *had* she just done? She was going to Rome, with only a tenuous grasp on Italian, a city where she'd never been before, for an entire WEEK, and she was rooming in a hotel she'd heard nothing about before (although if half of what she'd heard about Roman buildings was true, it wasn't going to be a nice place) with Clark! She glanced at the itinerary to see that it was a three star hotel. Three stars? That was on a par with Howard Johnson. Not exactly the honeymoon suite. Not even a suite. Probably one room and a bathroom. Might be interesting... She figured she didn't need much more time, if she started packing now. One week in Rome... She went to her closet and unburied her trusty old luggage on wheels. A smaller suitcase was tucked inside of a larger one, and she tugged it roughly out. The larger one was dusty, and the smaller one still had a baggage claim ticket attached to the handle. Luckily, the keys were still attached to the zipper of the larger one, so it was possible to open them both. She started making a list of what she was going to bring to Rome, in order to facilitate packing. Two sweaters, four t-shirts, four blouses, a dress in case they had to go somewhere nice, a skirt in case they had to go somewhere else nice, shoes to match the dress, two pairs of stockings in case one ran, clear nail polish in case one ran while she was out somewhere, socks, several pairs of jeans and pants, underwear... Lois began to wonder if all of her stuff would fit into the two suitcases. At least she'd have her carryon as backup. Nail file and clippers, hand/body lotion, perfume, hat, sunglasses, anti-static spray, hairspray, hairbrush, makeup, moisturizer, soap... The list was getting long. ************************* CONTINUED IN PART 5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:02:28 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (05/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... CONTINUED FROM PART 4 Friday afternoon, 12:30 p.m. Lois' bags were packed and lying on the sofa. Her carry-on, packed completely full, was next to them. A friend of hers had agreed to come over and feed her fish while she was gone, promising not to kill them. At least not on purpose. She had an hour to kill before Clark was going to pick her up in a taxi and they would drive over to the airport. She was spending it double and triple checking her luggage. After all, it wasn't as if she could just drive home and get something she'd forgotten, now was it? And who knows how difficult it could be to buy things in Rome? Her luggage was complete, though. It had to be. It had half of her wardrobe in it, and all of her cosmetics, some of which she used an average of once a month, but she'd packed them all just in case she wanted them. She had on jeans and a t-shirt, comfortable clothes because she knew she'd be "sleeping" on the plane. Well, not bloody likely, but she'd try, anyway. The plane. Ugh. Lois hated planes. It was okay when you were flying for two hours in first class. But nine hours in coach was bound to be awful. She could only pray that she was sitting next to decent, clean, quiet people. Maybe she'd get a window seat. That would be nice. She sat down in a chair and flipped on the TV, trying to calm her nerves before the trip. It wasn't her first time out of the country, but it was a big deal, and she was always jittery before big trips. Hmmm... it was a choice between a rerun of "The Brady Bunch" in which Greg and Marsha were campaigning against each other for Student Council president or the famous Vitameatavegamin episode of "I Love Lucy." There was a no-brainer for you. She settled back and watched Lucy Ricardo get drunk and waited for Clark. 1:28 p.m. Clark knocked on her door and she quickly opened it. She greeted him, pulled on her coat, and picked up the carry-on. Clark picked up her suitcases, one with each hand, and started to walk out. "You have everything?" he asked her. "I sure hope so! I've checked my luggage enough times that you'd think I was obsessive-compulsive!" He grinned. "Okay. Well, let's get going." She followed him out the door, locking all of its locks on the way out. She paused for a minute at the closed door-- it was her last chance to remember anything forgotten. Nope. She went over to the elevator, which Clark was holding for her. ***************************** The airport was nearly empty. At least the area they were in was. Practically the only people Lois could see there were people in her group. Bruce Wayne-- wow. Diana Prince. Aquaman, wearing an orange t-shirt and green pants, Other than those two superheroes, most of the people were normal. Well, if you could consider billionaire philanthropists, actors, and a lot of high-profile citizens normal. There was a handsome young tour guide there, Jerry Mapp (odd name, thought Lois, he must have been born to be a tour guide), who was handing out the tickets. Lois and Clark walked up to him to get their tickets in order to stand in a line for half an hour, waiting to check their baggage. A little while later, they walked through gate five and onto a tiny plane. Lois did not like the looks of it. Not at all. There were three seats on the right, two on the left. The walls were covered with a brown splotchy "pattern" that looked completely disgusting. The only redeeming factor was that Lois had managed to trade seats with other people in the group so that she could sit next to Clark. She found her seat quickly-- a window seat-- and sat down. Then, of course, she had to wrangle with her carryon, trying to put it on the floor in front of her because the stewardess *insisted* with a dirty look that Lois do just that. The seats were just too close together, though, and she almost wasn't able to get the bag on the floor. "Clark?" she asked. "Yeah?" "I hate this plane already." He grinned. "I wish we could've flown first-class." "Hey, don't complain, Lois. It's not like--" "I know, I know, I know. It's not like I'm paying for it. Yeah, sure, whatever, but I *still* hate this plane. Things this small shouldn't even be allowed to fly. And things this *color* shouldn't even be allowed to exist!" she added, gesturing to the olive-greenish/brownish walls. Fifteen minutes passed. Then twenty. Then twenty-five. People were still walking in, sitting down, getting up, stowing things in overhead compartments, trading seats, and making noise. After over half an hour had passed, the plane finally began to take off, after the obligatory seatbelts/flotation devices/exit locations speech had been given. Lois, annoyed into a stony silence, glared out the window. But it was hard to stay mad like that. She watched as the ground fell away silently and smoothly. The houses, cars, and people got tinier and tinier. As they moved farther up, she could see how the city had been planned out in squares-- something she never could quite believe unless she was looking at it from an aerial viewpoint. Then the view turned white, completely, purely, bright white. That went on for some time, but eventually the plane broke through the layer of clouds into a clear space. This was the part she always loved. No matter how much noise the plane was making, no matter how often the little girl in back of her kicked her seat, no matter what was coming out of the earphones of the kid in front of her, she always felt so peaceful looking out over the wide expanse of clouds. It looked so solid that it was hard to believe that the plane had actually passed through, but of course it had. It seemed like snowdrifts, far below, or perhaps like those cotton bases for little porcelain villages that people displayed during the holidays. And there were wispy phantom clouds that gracefully floated through the empty space. Maybe this was where Superman spent his down time. All too soon, the plane was landing. Now it was time for customs, for waiting to board the plane, and then waiting for it to take off. And waiting. And waiting. Due to a nasty cold front, the plane's takeoff was delayed for a grand total of an hour and forty minutes, during which all of the passengers sat in the plane, looking out the windows at the deepening darkness of the Pennsylvanian sky. That was not a good way to start a nine hour flight. At least it wouldn't have been if Lois hadn't had Clark to talk to. Again, she had traded seats to be next to him. This plane was a lot larger and more comfortable, and she was in the very middle seat. Clark was to her left. There had been a man to her right at one point, but apparently his wife or whatever had an empty seat next to her, so he was soon gone. "Clark, I need to ask you something," Lois said to the man next to her. She was quiet enough that the few people who were sleeping already could stay that way. "What is it?" "When you talked to Supergirl, you know, about this me coming along with the party, how did she sound?" "Hm?" "I mean, did she sound annoyed, or just barely tolerant of it?" Oh. "No, she was fine with it. Actually, she and Dick had planned on an extra person or two to bring along." Lois' eyes narrowed as she debated whether or not to consider being called an "extra person"-- one step short of "extra baggage"-- an insult. She decided to let it drop in favor of a more pressing question. "Dick?" "Dick Grayson-- Bruce Wayne's... well, I guess he's sort of adopted, but not exactly... he's a guy who lives in Wayne Manor." She arched one eyebrow. "*He's* throwing the party?" The name Dick Grayson still meant nothing to her, but the name Bruce Wayne certainly did. "Well, they're good friends, and so he was doing it as a sort of birthday present. Of course, all the actual money's coming from Bruce, so it's more like Bruce is throwing the party, but yes. Supergirl couldn't afford something like this herself!" Lois felt two opposing emotions at that-- on the one hand, Supergirl could possibly be involved with this Dick guy, and Clark didn't seem to mind that, but on the other hand, Clark obviously knew enough about Supergirl to know what she could and couldn't afford. It seemed like such a simple thing, and Lois would've brushed it off if she hadn't realized that she didn't even know that about Superman, and she would've jumped right into bed with him anyway, not caring. Well, probably not now, she amended, but she *would* have if the opportunity had ever presented itself. But the point was-- and there was a point, she reminded herself-- that she didn't know whether to be less or more... annoyed. Not jealous, certainly. Never... well, maybe. Just a little. And the fact remained that he *had* been invited, although that could certainly be taken several different ways-- after all, she had invited so many other people, and it just wasn't possible that she was sleeping with all of them. Why should Clark be any different? Because he's sweet, because he's nice, because he's brilliant, because he can melt people with his smile, because he's got a killer body, and because he's wearing a tight black t-shirt and looks like any female of the species' hormone-induced fantasy man. And those were all good reasons. But her mental mess was quickly swept under the rug when Supergirl walked up. "Hi!" she said brightly. "Hi, Kara," Clark said, standing up. Lois stood as well, but only because she felt uncomfortable being at eye level with Clark and Supergirl's waists. "How's the trip going?" "Well, okay, for a plane ride this long." She grinned at his comment. "I know. I'd much rather fly. I mean *fly* fly. But hey, it's not so bad if you move around a little. I'm going stir crazy back there," she said and gestured toward the back of the plane. "Well, just another--" Clark checked his watch "seven and a half hours until we land. Maybe I'll try and sleep a little." "Good luck." Supergirl then turned to Lois. "And how're you holding up?" "Oh, fine. Actually, I'd like to *try* and sleep a little, too. After all, it'll be morning and time for a long day when we land in Rome." Okay, so Supergirl was being nice to her. What did that mean? Did it mean that she knew Lois was no competition for her with Clark? Or that she thought Lois and Clark were just friends? Or that she had no interest in Clark, and therefore harbored no ugly feelings toward Lois? "Yeah. Well, I hope you can get comfortable-- God knows it's not easy in a plane, but nobody ever died of wishful thinking. At least, nobody that I know of. So I'll leave you two to your nap." And with that, she left to return to her seat. Lois relaxed and settled back down. That hadn't been so bad. Not bad at all. Supergirl was either going out of her way to be nice to Clark's friend, or she really had no idea about all the things Lois thought of her. Perhaps the latter was more likely. ********************* Lois was *not* comfortable. The plane was almost completely dark-- everyone had turned out their lights and was trying to sleep. The kid across the aisle >from her had pulled down his tray table and had folded his body double to rest his head on it. That did not look pleasant, but he was apparently fast asleep, so maybe it worked for him. Clark was reading a book, but not with the overhead light. He was using a small penlight, probably out of consideration for those who were sleeping, or trying to sleep. He looked up when he saw Lois shift positions again. "Can't sleep?" "I'm trying. This is the most uncomfortable plane I've ever been on. I mean, if I had a window seat, it would be a little better because I could rest my head against that-- of course, it would be louder, too. I can't wait until the US discovers the secret to teleportation." He grinned at that and then moved his seat back so that it was on a level with Lois'. He put an arm around her shoulders and pulled her close to him. "Maybe this would be a little more comfortable." He paused, as Lois looked slightly surprised. "It's okay, isn't it?" he asked. "Yeah..." she said in a small voice. It was a surprise, but not even close to an unpleasant one. She rested her head on Clark's shoulder-- *cuddled* up to him, her mind said-- and the cramped, uncomfortable space was forgotten. She sighed, wishing for a second that the arm rest between them would disappear, but it didn't, and so she ignored it, focusing on what else there was to feel. Clark's head rested on top of hers, not heavily enough to be uncomfortable, but solidly. His arm around her was comforting and intimate, and she could feel the heat of his body radiating through the thin material of his t-shirt, which was definitely nice. Over it all, she could smell his faint cologne, all but gone as the night wore on, but still slightly present. Maybe planes *weren't* so bad, after all. For his part, Clark was absolutely thrilled with the position. Lois' small, warm body was right next to him, snuggled up to him, in his arms. She had a faint scent about her, of... lavender, perhaps, or something else that smelled very relaxing and pleasantly female. His face was touching her soft hair, a situation that he had always liked, although the side of her head would've been nicer than the top. Maybe planes *weren't* so bad, after all. ********************** CONTINUED IN PART 6 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:02:43 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (06/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... CONTINUED FROM PART 5 Lois was awake when she realized that someone had sat down in the empty seat to her right. She didn't move, though, guessing as who it could be. She was right, of course, which she realized when she heard a familiar voice say, "How adorable." The tone of Supergirl's voice sounded... pleasant, like she really *did* think it was adorable, not like she was being sarcastic. Maybe. "Shhh," came Clark's voice. "Lois is asleep." "Well, good for her. How about you?" "You know me-- I never sleep very much." Lois didn't like the sound of that. What did it mean? "You couldn't *possibly* be uncomfortable," Supergirl said in a teasing tone. Clark shifted a little. "No..." Lois realized that he sounded embarrassed, admitting to Supergirl that he *liked* holding Lois like this. *That* was a good sign, she thought. "You're pathetic," she told him sweetly. "Am I?" "You might as well install a neon sign-- it's that obvious." She didn't think to say *what* was obvious-- she knew Clark would understand that she meant how he was in love with Lois. "Well..." "I guess I'll leave you two alone. Maybe you *should* try and get some sleep, though." "Okay. Bye, Kara." "Bye, Clark, Lois." Supergirl got up and walked away. Lois was lost. What did *that* conversation mean? What was obvious? She had said "I'll leave you two alone," which probably meant that she felt she was intruding on something-- and she didn't sound upset, just slightly... bemused. And what was pathetic? What was going on? Had it all been a tease, that she was making fun of her... boyfriend... for holding another woman in his arms? That she didn't feel at all jealous because she knew he was that faithful to her, that Lois would never mean anything to him? Or did it mean something else entirely? Something more pleasant for Lois? Lois would've given her life's savings to have been able to look at Supergirl's face when she'd said the words-- perhaps it would've given her a clue. Everything in her wanted to lean toward the opinion that Supergirl had seen them, and thought that they were cute, and wasn't jealous because Clark wasn't *hers,* but she couldn't be sure of that definition. But no matter what Supergirl had meant, no matter what Clark was thinking, Lois was still warm, and she was still comfortable, and so she decided to go to sleep. *********************** Waking up in Clark's arms was nice, but waking up with bad breath was definitely not. She was able to reach her bag and pull it onto her lap without moving from Clark's embrace-- he was asleep. She rummaged through it until she found some chewing gum, and popped that into her mouth. It was no substitute for a toothbrush, but as she didn't want to get up and definitely did not want to have to go into the cramped, uncomfortable bathroom on the plane, it would have to do until they got to the airport, which would have sinks larger than a baseball and normal water pressure. Breakfast on the plane was something short of a great meal, but it wasn't half bad, either. Airline food was one of the things the world stereotyped the most, but it really didn't deserve its reputation. As Lois tore a bit of foil off of an orange juice container, she asked Clark how he'd slept. "Oh, as well as possible, I guess," he replied. "It's not something I'd want to do every night..." He paused when he realized that his statement could be taken two different ways, and one of them not very complimentary to Lois. "Well, I mean... sleeping on a plane, that is... it's just not..." Lois grinned. "I know what you mean." He tried to continue anyway. "I mean, actually, it was good for a plane, but what made it better was that, well, that you..." "Men!" a voice interrupted. "Oh. Hi, Kara. Good morning." "You can never say what you're thinking! And you complain that *women* are ambiguous!" "You heard all that?" "I always keep an ear out for someone making an idiot of themselves. You know, Lois?" Lois actually *smiled* at Supergirl. It had been a nice night, even if you counted in the lost sleep. "Yeah, Supergirl." "Oh, please call me Kara. I already feel silly enough being the loudest- dressed person here, without an ego-ish name attached to me." "Okay, Kara," said Lois, politely choosing to ignore the fact that, unlike Superman, Kara had chosen her name. Superman had rather gotten saddled-- by Lois herself-- with the title he used, but Kara had decided to play copy-cat, probably since they *were* from the same planet. Also, Kara had chosen to wear her suit on the plane. "Oooh, I can't wait to get off this plane!" "I know," replied Clark. He seemed about to say more, but was interrupted by an announcement that they were currently showing a "movie" about the Leonardo da Vinci airport in Fiumicino. They were almost there. ***************************** "I'd almost rather walk to Rome than sit down any more," complained Lois as she took her seat on the bus that would take them to their hotel. "Cheer up. It's just a short ride, and it'll give us a chance to really see the city. Look at those trees-- nothing like that in Metropolis, you know?" "True." But she was still more in the mood for a shower and a nap than for a bus ride. The good mood she'd woken up with was no match for almost losing her luggage. She'd seen the larger of her two suitcases right away on the carousel. A minute later, her smaller one came into view. But as she reached for it, she realized that it was stuffed too full to be hers. Uneasy, she checked the tag on the bag she was holding. It had someone else's name on it. She put it back on the carousel and waited. And waited. And waited. Finally, she saw *her* small bag and retrieved it. But her larger bag did not show up. That was definitely not good. Not at all. After she realized that she was seeing luggage she'd seen before, her stomach lurched. What if the person whose suitcase she'd taken earlier had taken hers even before that? And then left with it...? Clark had suggested they look around to see if some one *had* taken it accidentally. Luckily, as they walked toward Carousel #3, Lois saw that it had fallen off and was on the inside of the circle. Clark stepped over the carousel quickly and picked up the bag. And so, disaster had been averted. But it had not been a pleasant five minutes. And then they'd had to load all of their luggage onto the bus, which took a while, but wasn't too bad, since it was a beautiful day. And now, at least, they were going to be able to shower and change, something Lois would be very happy to do. She hoped that everything she'd heard about Italian bathrooms wasn't true. "Attention, please!" It was the voice of their Italian travel guide, Daniela. "Now, every one and everything is on the bus, hm? There is a slight change of plans. The hotel rooms are not quite ready for you all, and so we are going to go see the Basilica of Saint Paul. It is a lovely, lovely place, and you will all enjoy it. After that, we will go to the Portamaggiore and see if your rooms are ready for you. If yes, then you will take a short rest, time to wash your faces, and then go on a tour at two o'clock to the Pantheon and the Piazza Navona with our guide Carlo. If they are not quite ready, you can leave your luggage there, at the Portamaggiore, and we can start our tour. Yes? Let us go, then." And so, they were off to St. Paul's Basilica. It was a truly remarkable place, full of ancient statues and ornate decorations. One of the doors was wooden, and it was only opened once every twenty five years. It wasn't open then, but Lois spent at least five minutes studying the carvings that stretched across the monstrous piece of wood. Most of them had been worn away by time, but enough remained that the scenes were apparent. Lois turned to observe the mass going on behind her over what was supposedly the Apostle Paul's grave. "Clark?" "Hm?" "Do you think he's really buried there?" "I don't know, Lois. It's... well, I suppose it's possible." She nodded. "Pretty impressive." "Yeah..." "But I still want a shower." "Me, too. Maybe the rooms will be ready after this." They got back on the bus after touring the Basilica for a while, and went to the Hotel Portamaggiore, with the intent to drop off their luggage. Fortunately, perhaps the hotel staff had rushed to make room for all of these people (the place probably didn't normally see so many or so important customers), and the rooms were all ready. Lois and Clark were put in room 127. After retrieving their luggage from the lobby, which was entirely constructed of mirrors, they went up one flight of stairs and down a hall. And then down another hall. Then down another. And another. After what seemed like forever, they got to their room. "Wow," remarked Lois. "That's a long way to come every time we want to go to our room!" "I know. You'd think they could have just made this place higher instead of longer." "Well, I guess the Romans were never as civilized as the people of Metropolis. Of course, we're probably lucky if this place was built in the twentieth century. Modern just isn't modern here!" Clark fumbled with the key for a second, then managed to get into the room. "Oh, my God. Clark, this place is... awful!" He couldn't deny it. The walls were a hideous faded pinkish color. The floor was hardwood-- scuffed, stained, and gnarled. The light above them was full of dark spots that were most likely dead bugs. There was a dresser and a small shelf, but those were the only furniture in the room, save one double bed. *One.* Lois opened the door to the bathroom and was relieved to find it sanitary and white. It was large in proportion to the rest of the room, and it had a huge bathtub in it. No shower, of course, but there was a sort of hose attached to the bathtub faucet that she supposed guests had to hold over their own heads. There were no cockroaches. Interestingly enough, the bathroom was built using an old Roman idea-- the floor slanted slightly toward the center, where there was a drain. "All right, well..." Lois began. "I'm taking a shower, okay?" "Yeah, go ahead." "What time do we need to be back at the bus?" "Two o'clock. We've got a little over an hour." "Okay. I won't be long." "All right." Lois grabbed a change of clothes and some toiletries from her suitcase and went into the bathroom. She breathed deeply as she looked at herself in the mirror. "What have I gotten myself into?" she asked her image. She stripped quickly and got into the tub to wash her hair and body. All the while, her mind was going full-speed. She had thought it was going to be fun and a little sexy to share a room with Clark, but she had assumed that they'd at least be sleeping in separate beds, even if right next to each other in them. She had assumed that because even in the cheaper hotels she'd been in, there were always two beds. Sometimes nothing else, but always two beds. But here... Maybe it had been stupid to think that what was normal for the US was normal for anywhere else in the world. She'd never been to Rome before. How was she supposed to know? But even though it wasn't her fault, the problem remained. And the problem was that, although the bed was actually two single-size mattresses connected by a footboard and headboard, it was effectually one because it couldn't be separated. There was no couch, or even a comfortable chair. There wasn't even a rug on the floor! There was nowhere else to sleep, save the bathtub. And that didn't look much more comfortable than the floor would be. And that meant that she and Clark were going to have to... There was no way of avoiding it. The only solution was to share. Like the mature adults they were. And, truth to be told, Lois wasn't actually upset by the prospect. She'd pretend to be, of course, but she wouldn't complain so much that Clark would offer to go to the front desk and ask for a cot or something. Not quite so much. She wouldn't admit it, but the whole idea was exciting. It was like something out of one of her novels. "Hmmm...." she sighed. Maybe this whole thing wasn't so bad, after all. *********************** CONTINUED IN PART 7 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:05:50 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (07/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... CONTINUED FROM PART 6 Clark sighed as he laid back on the bed. This was completely, absolutely, utterly insane. How had this happened? If he found out that Supergirl had arranged this, so help him... But that was probably not fair. Kara was mature enough not to pull a prank like that. It was probably because the hotel reservation had been for one person, him, that there was only one bed. But that didn't solve the problem. There was nowhere else he could sleep, short of floating. And *that* wasn't going to be a good solution! There was no way, however, that he was going to share a bed with Lois. He just couldn't *do* that to her! She'd find the entire thing disgusting. Not that there would be anything particularly distasteful to *him* about it. No, he was perfectly willing to share with Lois. In fact... he rather liked the idea, he realized, smiling to himself. Sleeping next to Lois... A dream come true. Well, as close to it as he was like to get, at least. Maybe, if he got lucky, she'd just go along with it. After all, she'd slept in his arms on the plane. Maybe that was different, but maybe not. His thoughts were interrupted as he heard the water in the bathroom shut off. Lois would be done in a few minutes, and then he could go take a shower. He opened his suitcase to get a change of clothes. *********************** "I can't wear this," Lois thought to herself, regarding the silk blouse she had gotten from her suitcase. "It's way too dressy for the Roman Forum. I need a sweater." She tied the towel around herself tightly and opened the door. Clark looked up at the noise, and suddenly discovered he couldn't breathe. "Um, excuse me, I have to get a... different shirt," she mumbled, moving quickly toward where her suitcase was lying on the bed. Clark nodded, even though she wasn't looking in his direction and couldn't possibly have seen him. It was beyond his power to talk. The towel, while tied as high as possible on her body, still revealed an overwhelming amount of lightly tanned throat and shoulder, glistening with moisture. And a long, long expanse of slender leg. He couldn't tear his eyes off of her. She knew he was staring. She could almost feel his gaze burning into her. It suddenly occurred to her that she could have put on the clothes she had picked out, and then changed into a sweater while *he* was in the shower, but it was too late now. Besides... it was nice to know that she was making an impression on him. He'd done the same to her on more than one occasion. On the other hand, though, it *was* a little embarrassing, that stare of his. "Got it," she said sheepishly, holding up the sweater. Clark smiled slightly, still mostly frozen. She ducked back into the bathroom quickly. Her speed might have been because she wanted to escape the embarrassing situation. Or it might have been to hide the wicked gleam in her eyes from Clark... ****************** Clark slowly let out a breath and ran his hand through his hair. Yikes. "Sorry, Lois," he whispered to nobody, "I'll behave." It was a good thing he'd be able to get in the shower in a few minutes, because he definitely needed a cold one. Maybe sharing a bed with Lois would not be as good an idea as he'd thought. ***************** A little less than an hour later, they were on the bus, heading toward the Forum Romanum. Lois and Clark sat together in the middle, with Kara (who hadn't changed out of her suit, but *had* removed the cape) and Dick in front of them. Kara turned around in her seat to talk to them. "So, what do you guys think of Rome so far?" "It's nice," Clark replied. "I haven't seen enough yet... of Rome... to, uh, tell." He glanced at Lois. She didn't seem to notice. "It's certainly unique," Lois said. "I can't believe how *dirty* it is! I mean, there's not as much graffiti in all of Metropolis that there is in a couple blocks of Rome! And what's with the drivers and those tiny cars?" "Oh, I was talking to Carlo-- he's the tour guide up there now," she added, motioning to the front of the bus, "and he was telling me how the drivers in Rome view traffic lights and signs as 'pretty decorations for the roads, and possible suggestions of where they *might* want to stop or slow down.' I have no idea why the cars here are so small-- maybe they have to squeeze them into smaller parking places. But then there are the vespas." "Motorcycles?" Clark asked. "That's them. They seem to be really popular." "No kidding," remarked Lois. "I guess pedestrians don't have the right of way. I'll tell you one thing, though, Metro cabbies aren't looking too bad right about now." "I'll second that," said Dick Grayson, turning to join the conversation. "At least this bus driver appears sane. What's his name... Amerigo?" "I don't remember," said Kara. "I think that's it. He doesn't speak English." "Well, I no speaka Italiana," Dick returned with a grin. "Howsabout youse?" Kara gave a tolerant smile. "Some." "Very little," Lois said. "Pasta names, 'ciao,' that sort of thing." "I do." "Of course *you* do, Clark." "Bruce offered to teach me some, but I was like 'No, thanks, they can speak English if they want my attention.' And so far, everybody I've needed to talk to has spoken English." "Ah," said Bruce from a nearby seat, "you'll regret that when you can't buy that perfect souvenir because you couldn't communicate with the vendor. Or when you get lost and can't find the group again." "Naah, buddy. I'll just stick by the nice Italian speakers like you. I have no need to actually learn it myself." "It might come in handy sometime to know another language," Clark suggested. "Yeah, well, I took Spanish in high school. I did pretty well, if I do say so myself. And there was a guy I knew in college who spoke Klingon..." "That hardly counts," Kara protested. "He spoke it very well. The guy was a total nutcase, but he was kind of fun to be around." "Hey, Clark," said Bruce, "I don't think you've introduced me to your friend here." Lois raised one eyebrow at the sentence-- Clark knew Bruce Wayne from before? "Oh, I'm sorry. Lois Lane, Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson," he said, gesturing to each person as he spoke. "It's nice to meet you, Lois," Bruce said. "Finally," he added under his breath, just loud enough for Clark to hear. The two men exchanged a secret glance. Bruce had been curious about the woman Clark was in love with for quite some time. And, truth to be told, he was somewhat jealous that despite his odd profession, Clark had found someone to love, whereas Bruce alienated himself from everyone. Once in a while, someone learned of his Batman alias, and it always drove them away. He hoped that the same wouldn't happen to Clark and Lois once she discovered who Clark *really* was. He knew that Clark was hoping to tell Lois his secret during this trip. It was a good idea, telling her in a neutral place, where they were both far away from work, and could not escape each other. That last made it slightly risky, but it would also force them to face any problems that ensued. Still, he admired Clark's courage. From what he'd heard of Lois, Clark was taking an awful chance. The rest of the ride to the forum was passed in companionable chat. ***************************** A while later, Lois and Clark were standing on top of a hill that overlooked a huge portion of the forum. The view spread out beneath them like a postcard, or like something from a travel book. As they looked up between the trees, they could see birds flying past. It was from this same hill that, centuries ago, the Romans used to foretell the future by studying the flight of the ancestors of these birds. "Wow," said Clark quietly, putting down his camera after capturing the beautiful shot. He put one arm around Lois' shoulders. "Now this is something to tell our kids about." Lois looked up at him quickly. "What?" The word came in a gasp. Clark suddenly realized what he'd said. "I mean..." He never got to explain what he meant by that, because he was interrupted by Dick's voice. "Hey, Clark, would you take a picture of me and Kara over here?" "Yeah, sure..." he said weakly, with an apologetic look toward Lois. She faced out, over the forum. *Our* kids. God. He'd actually said *our* kids. As in Clark's and hers... Was it a slip of the tongue? Just something he'd said that didn't mean much? Or was it something more than that? Did Clark see her as a big part of his future? Could he, as she did, see the two of them, together, as the only possibility for the future? Clark rejoined her a moment later, but offered no explanation for his comment. Lois didn't press. She wasn't sure she wanted an answer. Too much was on the line. Because if she called him on it, and he *didn't* feel that way... A queasy feeling settled into her stomach, and didn't start to fade until they were nearly out of the forum, heading for the Piazza Navone. ********************************* CONTINUED IN PART 8 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:06:29 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (08/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... CONTINUED FROM PART 7 The bus ride was silent. Clark cursed himself for his earlier statement. He'd undoubtedly scared her. What on Earth had possessed him to say it? How could he do that to her? To himself? He hadn't even really meant it... Not completely, anyway. He might like kids... someday... but he certainly wasn't filled with a burning desire to immediately impregnate Lois. He knew he should apologize for that comment, but he didn't have the courage. Besides... what if she liked the idea? If she wanted to spend the rest of her life with him, and hoped someday to have his baby? Babies? He toyed with the idea for a moment. Domestic bliss, hm? Well... maybe when they were older. Certainly not right now. But Lois and he... buying a house in the suburbs, raising a family... The idea was a pleasant one. Another idea intruded on his conscience. What if Lois *did* want children... and he couldn't give them to her? They weren't the same species. Simple genetics suggested that they wouldn't be able to have babies. Not completely healthy ones, at any rate... What a nightmare. All this from one simple comment. ********************************* In the Piazza Navone, Clark decided to get things back on track with Lois. To get his remark out of both of their heads. And he knew just how to do it-- stopping at a little gelatto shop and treating her to some gorgeous- looking chocolate gelatto. "Mmmm... Clark this is heavenly," she enthused as the two sat on the edge of a fountain. Indeed, it was. The dessert was smooth and rich, more chocolatey than anything had a right to be, and tasted so good it was almost sensual. She rolled her eyes back blissfully as she put the spoon in her mouth. She knew she was putting on a bit of a show for Clark, but didn't care. Chocolate this way, in the form of gelatto sprinkled with shavings of dark chocolate, was debatably better than sex, and damn it, she was enjoying it. Well, maybe not *better* than sex, she amended, eyeing her handsome partner lazily. Even chocolate couldn't compete with some things. He glanced up to see her eyes on him, and she looked away quickly. It wasn't his fault that chocolate... loosened her mind slightly. Although he *was* responsible for the pleasant spreading warmth in her lower body. A few minutes later, the group began to congregate around a statue that was the agreed upon meeting place. "Come on, Clark," Lois said, hopping down >from the side of the fountain and purposely brushing Clark's leg in the process. "It's about time to go." Standing back in the group, Lois positioned herself to the side of and slightly behind Clark. She was seriously invading his personal space, she knew. But she couldn't bring herself to move away. And if he just shifted slightly, his muscular bicep would brush her breast. Lois bit her lip. All he had to do was shift position. Just an inch or so. 'Come on, Clark. Move!' He stood as still as a stone. It wasn't going to happen, she thought with a sigh. It was too pathetic, anyway, and inexcusable, even if she *was* inebriated by the chocolate. Still, she sighed disappointedly. Her heart leapt, however, when Clark moved his head. Would his body follow suit? Would he turn... ever... so... slightly...? She sucked in a gasp of air between her teeth. "Oh... I'm sorry, Lois," Clark apologized. "That's okay," she graciously forgave him, trying to keep the grin off her face. Now she had to move, but it was worth it. "God, I'm awful," she thought, smiling ruefully. ************************************* It was nearly midnight by the time they arrived back at the Portamaggiore, and the duo were worn out as they bid their friends farewell as each reached their rooms. Lois and Clark, of course, had to keep going far beyond where any of their co-travelers were staying, down the long hall, and finally to the old blue door that opened onto their room. "Oh, I'm exhausted!" Lois exclaimed. "I know what you mean... it's a lot to take in for one day!" "What're we up to tomorrow?" "Well... let's see..." Clark walked over to the tiny bedside table and picked up a sheet of paper. "Looks like Ostia and the Etruscan tombs." "What's at Ostia?" "Excavations, apparently. That could be interesting." "Yeah. The tombs, too. I don't want you to think I'm morbid or anything, but I think stuff like that is fascinating. I was big into Egypt when I was a kid." "I guess I should've figured you for the archaeology type-- uncovering all the hidden mysteries of the world." "Hmm... yeah." There was a long pause. "So... um... I'm going to... wash up and get changed." Lois went to her suitcase and took out her pajamas, then walked into the bathroom. While she was in the bathroom, Clark changed into his pajamas-- boxers and a t-shirt. Normally, he would've foregone the t-shirt, but since Lois was there... Not that she hadn't seen his bare chest before, a few times, but it was just... different. Yeah. Different. He wondered what she was going to be wearing. The few times he'd visited her at night, she'd put on a robe. One time, it fell open, and he saw a Superman nightshirt under it. But he doubted it was her usual wear. At least, it wasn't anymore. He knew that much. He knew it because one night, about a month and a half ago, they'd been hurrying on their way to begin a stakeout. Lois went on ahead to set up the equipment and start watching so that they wouldn't miss anything. Clark had been sent to pack overnight bags for each of them. Lois had given him a detailed list of what items of clothing she wanted and which drawer each piece was in, ostensibly to keep him from pawing through her things and making a mess. The only thing on her list that wasn't specified was underwear. She was probably too embarrassed to pick something out. She had just told him to grab something plain. The order made him wonder... what else was there? Her underwear and nightclothes were in the same drawer, top right. He'd been a little embarrassed to open it, to see her underwear... the pieces of material that touched her under her clothes, everywhere that was private, places he'd never seen. But his nervousness at invading something so personal was far outweighed by his curiosity. When he opened the drawer, at first he only saw a few folded up nightshirts, the really long kind, with cartoon characters on the front. One of those was the one she wanted-- Bugs Bunny. Exciting. *Yawn.* But when he lifted that one out to put it in her bag, the light caught on another nightgown. Ice blue silk. Unable to resist, he picked it up and let the garment slide through his hands. It was so amazingly soft and smooth. It had thin straps to hold it up, and was low cut enough for Clark to wonder if it even covered what needed to be covered. He laid it carefully on the bed and turned back to the drawer. After all, he still had to get underwear for her. His breath caught as he examined the rest of the drawer's contents. He saw a few plain cotton panties, but other than that, the selection was made up of tiny scraps of lace, flowing silk, and soft satin. She had an electric blue teddy. A burgundy negligee. Now *that* was a picture he was never going to be able to get out of his mind. Forcing his mind back on track, he'd picked up a pair of cotton panties, replacing everything else in more or less the condition he'd found it in. But how was he supposed to pick out a *bra* for her? She didn't even *have* anything plain. Not what *he'd* consider plain, anyway. He glanced over his choices. His eye immediately went to a black, silky- looking bra. Besides being shiny, there didn't seem to be anything particularly special about it. That could be considered plain. But he picked it up, and realized there was a stiff wire running along the sides and bottom of the cup. Underwire, undoubtedly. He'd heard those weren't comfortable. She probably wouldn't appreciate it. He should pick out something soft and comfortable. She didn't own anything cotton, of course. That would be too easy. And while silk was a relatively comfortable solid material, the silk bras looked... painful, mostly. His best bet, he decided, was probably one navy blue bra that he picked up. It didn't have any wiring or padding anywhere in it, it didn't hold its shape while off the human body, and it looked comfortable enough. The only problem was that the cups were made entirely of lace. Maybe she'd forgive him for that. He took it out and put it with her other clothes. He refolded the silk nightgown carefully, putting it back into the drawer, bidding it a fond farewell. He sighed, realizing the Lois of his fantasies was undoubtedly going to go through a severe wardrobe upgrade. More dream fodder. Not that he didn't have enough already. And this was stuff she actually *wore*! She hadn't commented when she saw what was in the bag. Apparently it was acceptable. But it had been a rough stakeout for Clark, knowing exactly what she was wearing under her clothes. Knowing that he'd *touched* it before her body did. And, ever since then, he'd come to her apartment late at night more often, hoping against hope to see what she was wearing to bed. The blue silk nightgown, perhaps? But she'd always, *always* had a robe on, knotted too tightly to slip. The inner Lois Lane, the sensual woman, never slipped through the knot. Never made it past to him. But, whether he saw or not, he *knew.* Clark was jolted out of his fond reverie by the sound of the bathroom door opening. Lois stepped out, clad in a t-shirt and boxers, an uncanny mirror of her partner. Clark exhaled, though whether in relief or disappointment, he wasn't sure. He went into the bathroom to wash up, a process that took only a minute, then returned to the room. Lois was perched on the edge of the bed, looking rather nervous. She nearly jumped when she saw Clark remerge. "Clark!" He smiled tensely at her. "Hi." "Ready for, uh, bed?" "Yeah. You?" "All set." She laughed softly, the sound ringing hollow. "So... uh... what side do you want?" "Doesn't matter. You pick." "It doesn't matter to me, really. Go ahead, do whatever you want." "No, I'm not fussy. You just sleep on whatever side you normally sleep on." "Lois... I want you to be comfortable. It doesn't make a difference to me." "Clark, I'm fine with whatever... ohhhh... I'll just take the left side." "Okay." They got in bed and turned out the light. Lois lay completely still, trying not to make any noise, trying not to breathe too heavily, and trying not to focus on the fact that Clark Kent was in bed next to her. Her success was sufficient in the first two, but she failed miserably in trying to ignore the man to her right. Her eyes adjusted to the darkness, and she was able to make out his form, silhouetted against the soft moonlight coming in from the window. He was facing her. She closed her eyes for a minute, and succeeded in calming herself down somewhat. It helped that she was exhausted and in a prone position. It also helped that she couldn't see him clearly. But she could accept the fact that he was there, under the same blanket as her, in the same bed as her. She could sleep this way. But maybe they could talk a little, first. "Is this as weird for you as it is for me?" she asked him. "Weirder," he replied. "It's just been a while since I've shared a bed with somebody. You know?" "A while. Yeah, I know. Me too." Longer than a while, actually, but he wasn't going to admit that to Lois. "And anyway, this is..." "Different?" "Yeah. Different." It wasn't completely platonic. Well, it was, but the way her heart was racing, it certainly didn't *feel* like it! There was silence for a minute. "Is that light bothering you, or what?" Clark asked. "Yeah. It is. What do you suppose is wrong with it?" The light above them was glowing. It had been off for five minutes, but it was giving off a green phosphorescence. "I'm not sure. Maybe it's supposed to be a nightlight?" "Creepy." Another minute of silence passed. "Well, I'm beat. Let's get some sleep." "Yeah," Clark agreed. He shifted his position, and his leg accidentally brushed hers. "Sorry," he murmured. "That's okay. It's not exactly the biggest invasion of my personal space you've ever committed." On second thought, Lois realized that had probably not been the smartest thing she could have said, as it immediately brought to mind memories of what *had* been bigger invasions of her personal space. The kiss on Trask's plane. The time he'd grabbed her and pulled her to him, finally giving in to her drug-induced wiles. Not to mention the time he'd roughly thrown her onto the bed of the honeymoon suite in the Lexor hotel, pushing his mouth against hers, his fingers splayed across her cheek. God. He had been so passionate, so tender. In a sudden surge, Lois felt how it was to be kissed by someone who really cared, by someone who really knew how to touch a woman. Maybe the kiss had originally been meant to distract the maid from the surveillance equipment. Maybe it wasn't exactly born of sudden, insistent lust. Even so, there had been nothing fake about it. A kiss was a kiss, no matter what started it. And that had been a *kiss* that was almost more. She'd said something after he pulled away. She couldn't remember what it was, but it had undoubtedly been a sample of her usual flippant humor. It was meaningless, anyway. She'd been focused on his lips, his eyes, as he drew away from her. Her brain had suddenly shut down the way only a beautiful male body pressing her into a mattress could get it to do. And there was nothing she wouldn't have given for a repeat performance. Her heart leapt when she heard his voice. "Goodnight, Lois." "Goodnight, Clark," she replied, thankful that he couldn't see her red face. Harmless fantasies were one thing. Fantasies about a guy you were in bed with were something else altogether. Lois reined her mind in, and told herself to go to sleep. ***************************** CONTINUED IN PART 9 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:06:50 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/12/99 6:30:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Larus2407@AOL.COM writes: <> Absolutely! We realize that you only recently finished the three-part Season 6 episodes, so we'll be satisfied if you merely tell us that something is in progress:) Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:07:20 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (09/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... CONTINUED FROM PART 8 It was still more or less dark when Lois woke up, and so it was neither the hour nor the small amount of light entering the hotel room that disturbed her sleep. It was none other than Clark Kent. He'd moved in his sleep. Moved a *lot.* Moved enough to press her against him, enough to have his hand up her shirt, resting on her bare breast. Moved enough to have his lips against her throat, his pelvis against her hip. And three things were emphasized in her startled mind. One, Clark was noticeably aroused. Two, he was still moving. And three, he was apparently still asleep. "Lois..." he whispered against her neck. That was sufficient to startle her into action, only seconds after she'd realized what was going on, a fairly good response time, considering that she'd just woken up. She jumped away from his touch, shoving him roughly away from her with a gasp. "Clark! Clark, wake up!" His eyes snapped open. "Lois! Oh my God..." "Clark, what the..." "I'm so sorry! Lois, I swear... I didn't... I mean, I wouldn't... Oh, God." She took several deep breaths, but when she spoke, her voice was still an octave higher and quite a bit faster than it normally was. "Okay. Okay. Just... calm down." She wasn't sure which of them she was talking to-- her heart was probably racing as fast as his. She sat on the bed opposite him. Both were tangled up in the sheets, and looking somewhat disheveled. "It's okay. You okay?" He nodded tightly. "Okay. I'm okay. We're okay. Everything's just... okay." She realized at that point that she'd been holding her hands up in front of her, a barrier. She slowly let them down to rest at her sides. She attempted a smile at Clark, to prove that no damage had been done. He returned it as a grimace. "I'm sorry," he tried again. She held up her hand again. "It's okay. Do you want to uh..." she glanced toward the bathroom. "I'm going to take a shower." "Okay. We'd have to get up in a half hour anyway." As if this was something as unimportant as waking up a little early. "Yeah... uh..." Clark hurriedly excused himself into the bathroom. Lois was left sitting on the bed in shock. He'd whispered her *name.* Lois. Not Kara. In the middle of an erotic dream. He'd been dreaming about *her.* Well, she'd wanted to know how he felt about her. This was probably a pretty good indication. What a way to find out. It all seemed so suddenly hilarious, so amazingly wonderful, so beautifully sexy, that Lois flopped onto her back and started laughing softly. It wasn't a giggle or a belly laugh. It was the kind of laugh you usually only hear late at night in asylums for the mentally ill. It was the kind of laugh that is unstoppable and unexplainable. It was the kind of laugh that signified a life-altering catastrophe that... wasn't. It was a delicious, lusty, happy laugh. Clark didn't hear it, which was probably a good thing. He would undoubtedly have either been even more embarrassed or very, very scared. And he would have had a right to either emotion, although scared would have undoubtedly been more appropriate, considering the situation. Because Lois' fantasies were suddenly reciprocated. She didn't have to waste the time wondering whether it was her or Supergirl who Clark dreamed about at night. She didn't have to look sideways at Clark and Kara as they talked, wondering if there was anything between them other than friendship. She didn't have to superanalyze everything Kara or Clark said, to see if there was any hidden meaning to it. For example, Kara's statement on the plane-- when she'd implied that Clark was enjoying holding Lois in his arms, how he was being obvious about *it*... *This* was the it! Had she known that before... Well... And that meant that Kara knew. All of a sudden, every statement and action Kara had said or done made complete sense, down to letting Lois come on the trip. She knew, and she was encouraging them as a couple. And now, thanks mostly to Clark's hormones, Lois knew, too. Lois stretched out, putting her hands behind her head, and sighed contentedly. Things were looking bright. ********************** Lois was just putting the finishing touches on her makeup when there was a knock on the room door. Clark opened it, and in walked Kara. "Good morning," she said to the two. "Sleep well?" "Yeah," said Lois without missing a beat. "We slept great. You?" "Uh huh. So, are you guys ready for breakfast?" "Well, *I* am," Lois responded. "I'm starving. Clark?" "Actually, there was something I wanted to do. I'll meet you down there in a bit. Okay?" "Sure," replied Kara. "Come on, Lois." The two women walked down the long hall together. Kara was wearing a Superman t-shirt and a pair of jeans. It wasn't her costume, not by far. Unlike Superman, who couldn't dress down at *all* for fear of his identity being uncovered, she could still be Supergirl in normal clothes. It was mostly the hair, really. Supergirl was blonde, but Linda Lee was brunette. Not to mention that Kara and Linda didn't hang out with the same crowd-- that helped a *lot.* She'd learned a lot from Clark's secret identity problems, and it had taught her how to better manage her own. She'd learned from his mistakes, and so nobody had to cover for *her* this morning while she slipped out to patrol Metropolis. If she wanted to leave, she could leave. Whereas Clark had to make an excuse, get Lois out of the way, and move quickly. "So, Lois, how's it going?" "Oh, pretty good." 'Had some fun this morning...' "You enjoying yourself?" "Oh yeah. This is the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me. Dick is really great." "What's the deal with you two? Are you...?" "Hm. Yeah. We are." She smiled. "Yeeeeaaaah, we are." Lois looked up in slight surprise at that. "I thought... I mean, isn't Superman..." "What?!" Kara looked genuinely shocked. "God, no!" Lois was embarrassed. "I'm sorry, I just..." "No, I'm sorry-- a lot of people think that, I shouldn't have been so surprised. It's just that... I thought you knew that Superman's my *cousin.* I see those tabloids every now and then, and it just disgusts me. I mean, *really*!" "I know what you mean. I've been in a couple myself." "Oh, hey, I've seen a couple with articles on you *and* me. Real catfight stuff, sometimes. Once it was our kinky sex trio with Superman. How does *that* grab you?" "Lovely. I don't think I read that one." "I saved it-- I always keep the interesting ones. I'll show it to you some time." "Hey, remember that time you disappeared for a week in June?" "Yeah... I was visiting friends in Hong Kong." "Oh, is *that* where you were? Everyone thought I killed you with Kryptonite, out of jealousy over Superman." "That was... let's see... about a week after you dumped him for a lesbian affair with me." "Was it? I'm not good with dates." Lois paused. "I didn't realize the three of us had such interesting sex lives." "Not just the three of us, either... I've seen Clark in one or two. And Lex Luthor." "Oh..." "Lois, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to bring up..." "That's okay. It's not... I've dealt with it. It was embarrassing that he managed to make me believe that he was this wonderful, kind man... while he was destroying everything I cared about behind my back. At least I didn't go through with it-- at least I refused to marry him, even if it was at the last minute. At least I got to keep *some* of my dignity. And all the tabloids screamed 'Luthor's bride dumps him, only seconds before his arrest and suicide!' It wasn't the best time of my life." "Yeah. I'm sorry. I don't want to bring back unpleasant memories. Come on, let's go get some breakfast." ************************** Later that day, Lois and Clark were walking with the group around the Etruscan tombs. They hadn't spoken much since the incident this morning, but had gradually warmed up to each other as the day wore on, and were now sufficiently companionable. But they were unaware that they had more problems than simply working on their relationship. A man had followed the reporters to Italy. He figured it presented an easy way of getting them out of the way. Kill them here, then escape back to the United States. No one would be the wiser, and he'd be perfectly safe. And he had his plan, which was to be put into action here in the tombs. He watched happily as the tour group went, couple by couple, into one of the tombs. It was small enough that only a few people went down at a time, then came back up so that others could visit. It was a small stone structure underground, partitioned into a main room and three smaller ones, each with a stone bed for a body. The structure was covered by a large mound of earth. A stone stairway led down into the tomb, and was walled by dirt. Engineering a collapse of that dirt, blocking the entrance way, would be simple. And the tomb would not hold enough air to last them until they were dug out. Lois and Clark were waiting to go inside, waiting for two people to come out. Before they arrived, he had placed a certain chemically altered substance around the entrance of the tomb. After they were inside, he could apply a chemical that was extremely reactive to the substance, leave it there, wait forty-five seconds, and WHAM! The walls would come tumbling down. His heart beat faster as he saw the couple leave the tomb. Lois and Clark started down the short flight of stairs. As soon as they were out of his sight, he applied the chemical, and left nonchalantly to watch from a distance. 30... 29... 28... He wondered briefly whether he should leave... so that he wasn't there when the collapse occurred, but he thought better of it. If he left abruptly, they might suspect he had engineered it. If he acted as shocked and alarmed as all the other tourists, they'd still believe it was a natural collapse, even if such a thing seemed impossible. He could escape after the incident-- a normal "frightened tourist" thing to do. 15... 14... 13... Besides, he had to follow it through. This wasn't a cartoon, where the villain set up an elaborate plan and immediately left so that his victims could escape. He had to at least see the results. If they left before the collapse, he had to know. 4... 3... 2... 1... He faded into the alarmed group of tourists that surrounded him, hiding his satisfaction. The door was completely blocked. The air supply was completely cut off. His job was done. ********************** CONCLUDED IN PART 10 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:08:17 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Subject: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (10/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TITLE: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy AUTHOR: Susan VanCott (Kirshnera@aol.com) RATING: definitely PG-13 FEEDBACK: welcome public or private at kirshnera@aol.com (editing welcome privately only) SUMMARY: A trip to Italy for Supergirl's twenty-first birthday party turns Lois and Clark's world completely upside-down, as they're "forced" to share a hotel room, some intimate moments, and one or two secrets... CONTINUED FROM PART 9 After looking around the dark tomb, Lois and Clark turned to leave. As Clark's foot touched the first step, however, he realized that something was wrong. Something was extremely wrong. And in a flash, he realized what it was. The entranceway, made entirely of dirt, was collapsing onto the stairs. Unthinkingly, he grabbed Lois and flew with her into the back of the tomb. The dim lights had been extinguished completely, and the air was thick with dust. Clark held his breath, but Lois was coughing uncontrollably. He brought her over to the small vent, glad that he knew of its existence. The Etruscans had buried their dead in ventilated tombs, where they would decompose. The bones were moved to a well in the center of the tomb, to make room for other bodies. But a vent was a vent, whether to aid in life or in death, and right now it was very useful. As soon as Lois was able to safely draw a breath without choking, she turned to Clark. "My God! Clark! How did you...?" This wasn't the time. This wasn't the place. This wasn't even a good situation. But disguises could only go so far, and this one had to stop. "Lois, I'm..." "Superman?" she whispered. ********************* Outside, tourists were screaming and breaking down into hysterics. How could a structure that had withstood *centuries* just collapse? The management was befuddled, but significantly more organized, asking each tour group to take a quick head count so they could determine if anyone was trapped in the tomb. It didn't take them long to determine that Lois and Clark were missing. Assuring Kara's group that the tomb was ventilated, and the reporters wouldn't suffocate, maintenance workers quickly got the necessary tools to dig the entrance open. That was the first priority. The second was finding out what had happened. It was suspicious, that was for sure. Things like this didn't happen without help. If they were dealing with some sort of vandal... And then one group mentioned seeing someone suspicious. They had been right in front of the tomb as it had collapsed, the guide explaining to them how the Etruscans had used it. Only a few seconds before the disaster, a man had joined their group. Normally, that wasn't too odd. A lone traveler might tag onto a tour group to learn something about what he was seeing. Except this lone traveler was American, and the tour group was Japanese. He had joined the group just for a minute, watching the tomb carefully. Then, when it had collapsed, he disappeared, heading for the door. They were able to give a good description of the man, as most of the people in the group had seen him. The police were alerted, and in minutes, as Lois and Clark were being dug out, the area was being searched for a man fitting the description the tour group had given. He was found a half mile away from the site and searched. He had the remnants of some suspicious chemicals in two small vials in his pocket, and was held by the police until the dirt could be tested for those chemicals. He only had to wait for the inevitable positive test results to come back before he would be in deep trouble. For vandalism, that was. Not manslaughter. At least if he was being accused of manslaughter, he would have known that he had achieved his goal of getting rid of Lane and Kent. But he did not even have that comfort. He wondered what the penalty was for destroying a national historical monument was. ********************* "They're digging us out," Clark informed Lois. "Good," she said shortly. "Clark..." "Lois, I'm sorry. I should've told you. I was *planning* to tell you." "When?" "This week. I thought... getting away from work, being on neutral territory, being relaxed... I figured it would be a good time. I... I didn't mean to do it like this. I'm sorry." "Don't be. You saved my life. Again." "You're not mad?" "I'm... surprised. If you have any more curve balls to throw, Clark, please just give me a while to recover, okay?" "Okay." "Did you think you couldn't trust me?" "Lois... I'd never think that. I trust you more than anyone I know. It's just... hard to tell someone. All my life, it's been drilled into me-- keep the secret, or risk destroying my life and the lives of everyone around me. It was my decision, of course, but I wanted so much to have a normal life... Somewhere I'd fit in, even though I was really the only one left of my people. "And then Kara came. My *cousin.* My actual blood relative. I can't tell you how amazing it was to be able to talk to her, to share things with her..." "Things you couldn't share with me?" she asked hoarsely. "I wanted to. Believe me, Lois, I'd always wanted to. And, even when you didn't know it, you were a comfort to me, both as Clark and as Superman. I longed to talk to you... to really *talk,* but I was afraid... Afraid you wouldn't understand. Afraid you'd hate me. Afraid I'd lose you. Lois, I need you so much... I couldn't risk it." "Clark..." she said softly, raising a hand to his face. "You're not going to lose me. If you were, I'd be gone a thousand times already. You can't scare me off. I think this morning should've proved that." He placed his hand over hers, then slowly moved down to brush his lips against her own. "I love you, Lois." "I love you," she replied. Finally. Finally, it was all coming together, and it was wonderful. After everything they'd been through, everything they'd hoped, dreamed, fantasized... It was out. It was all clear, and the truth was more beautiful than either could have imagined, simply because it was just that-- the truth. Now, after all of those things had been said, Clark could hear the diggers breaking through the last of the dirt. They were able to leave, once they climbed up those stone steps. He took her hand, and they walked out. Together. ****************** Kara was thrilled. She hadn't missed the significance of the fact that, as they left the tomb, they were holding hands. She hadn't missed their dreamy expressions, their lovestruck gazes. And that night, when she was able to speak to Clark alone for a moment, she asked him. "You told Lois, didn't you? Everything?" "Everything," he repeated. "She knows everything. Kara, she *loves* me." She laughed at his dazed, incredulous look. "Oh, Clark." She hugged him tightly, surprised that tears were coming to her eyes. It was just so romantic. "Hey, should I be jealous?" came another voice. "Lois!" Kara broke away from Clark and threw her arms around the other woman. "Oh, Lois! I'm so happy for you!" "What's all this?" asked Bruce, as he walked up. "Hey, you finally confessed?" he asked Clark. Clark just grinned. "Good for you. I hope everything works out." "Oh it will," said Clark. "It will." Then he walked over to Lois. She smiled happily at him, and he said, "Come with me, Lois. There's a little place I wanted to show you ever since I discovered it a year ago." Kara waved them away, smiling knowingly. They walked into a quiet alley, where no one would see them, and Clark took off, Lois in his arms. "Where are we going?" Lois asked through the thin air. "It's a little shop in a mountain village called Orvieto. I was there once, talking to the owner about his travels. I think you'll like it." "Why? What's there?" "I thought you trusted me." "I thought you weren't going to keep any more secrets," she countered. "You'll love it, I promise. It's just another minute." A short time later, Clark landed in another alley. They walked out, hand in hand, and up a small street. "How far is it?" Lois asked as they moved up the steep hill. "Near the top. Just a little further." They turned a corner and walked up about a hundred feet before entering a small shop. It had only a few tables, and one man behind the counter. Clark said something to him in Italian, and the man set to work. Lois and Clark sat down at the table. "So what is this big surprise?" "Just a second... Ah, here we go," he said as the man set two steaming mugs of hot chocolate before them. "Coca?" "Try it," advised Clark. She lifted the mug to her mouth and took a cautious sip of the hot liquid. "Whoa! This stuff is incredible! This is *serious* chocolate..." She tasted it again, heedless of the temperature. "Isn't it nice?" "Very nice. All is forgiven for keeping it a secret." "I suspected you might not mind once you tasted this stuff. Nothing like this back in the states, huh?" "Hmm... nothing remotely this wonderful. And all this time I've been lusting after *Swiss* chocolate!" Clark laughed. "Lois... this has been the most amazing week of my life." She reached across the small table to touch his hand. "Mine too, Clark. I never expected any of it, but it was all so perfect... And the week's not even over yet!" "Hmmm... I know. Tomorrow, we're going to Florence. I've always wanted to go there with you. It's one of the most beautiful cities in the world, possibly *the* most beautiful. You'd fit right in." She smiled. "Oh, Clark." "There's so much I have to show you, so many things I have to say." "We've got forever, Clark. Take your time." She had much to show him, as well. She wondered how he felt about ice blue silk... ************END*************** final notes: My February 1999 trip to Rome became a fanfic after this scene with my friend Catherine. C: But, Susan, you have to come! [to a statue gallery] Don't you want to see the Dean Cain statue? S: (laughing) The Dean statue? C: Yeah! They say it's better than the David! S: (still laughing) Okay, okay, I'm coming! Later, in the gallery: C: Hey, there it is! The Dean! S: Where? C: Right there! (Gestures to a *nice* looking naked statue) S: Hey, that is better than the David! At this point, the tour guide stopped to talk about the statue we were closely examining. It was of Apollo, as the embodiment of a perfect balance between strength and beauty. Better than the David, indeed. ;-) Also, if you're ever in Orvieto, try the hot chocolate. Trust me. feedback *greatly* appreciated at Kirshnera@aol.com Visit DESTINATION: METROPOLIS www.angelfire.com/ny/loisclark Check out my fanfic at www.angelfire.com/ny/loisclark/fanfic.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:46:26 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (10/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was writing, and took time out to check my email. Two minutes of reading, and > my own creation was temporarily abandoned in favor of yours. I haven't seen a > new story of yours in some time, and this one was well worth it. Very nice > work! Nan Smith ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:15:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anita Dicker Subject: NK Family names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still slowly, working on a LNC fanfic. I have more questions Is Lord Nor's family name ever mentioned ? Reason: Clark's name is Kal, family name is El. Is New Krypton a planet ? Reason: I keep hearing the phrase "a floating rock in space" in Lois' voice. A floating rock is an asteroid. The problem is that, I've created the ruins of a long dead civilization on the 'planet' now called New Krypton. Any assistance would be much appreciated. I realize I have poetic license, but if I've forgotten something. Anita ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:58:32 -0500 Reply-To: "bbmedos@booksanctuary.com" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "B.B. Medos" Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? Sandy McDermin [SMTP:smcdermin@EROLS.COM] wrote: > Beverly, I hear ya. That's nice to know, Sandy. > No, you're not alone, but I think there might be some problems with > this: > 1) Creating a limited, e-mail group could become contentious. We've > seen it happen before: Well, anything has it's problems and I didn't expect the idea to either be easy to do or well received for all the very accurate reasons Sandy listed. And frankly, I have no interest in starting or joining another e-mail list myself. It would absolutely not be my first choice. However that said, I am wanting to find a way to connect up with alpha editors in an environment that allows both sides to get a feel for whether they could work together before they take it to private e-mail. IF they need to at all. If any of the current lists or message boards can provide something along those lines, great. It's just that while I do tend to lurk primarily these days in folcdom, I also try to keep up with scanning the discussions periodically and I haven't seen anything resembling what I'm talking about on any of them. When there is "discussion" of individual fanfictions it usually appears to be more directed towards recommending stories to other readers than dealing with story development on works in progress. Or things go in the other direction and become so much more in-depth than is what might be needed. Case in point: > Post whatever you have and I'll promise you a thorough analysis. I find I honestly hesitate to do that because I have no idea what is meant by a thorough analysis and that's where the real problem arises in knowing where to go or what to do to best deal with this. If taking a story apart point by point and making judgement calls on whether it's good or bad, weak or strong, or to be recommended or not is what is meant, then no thank you. That's more appropriate for finished works and certainly isn't what I'm looking for in the development stage of the writing process. On the other hand, if asking questions about various points in a particular story that will in turn challenge the writer to rethink their perspective in order to make clarifications or improvements is what is meant, then that's a different thing altogether. That is the kind of content development editing I need and am looking for. The problem is that I haven't seen that kind of editing discussions happening in any of the venues talked about so I don't know where to turn. Does it happen somewhere on a regular basis and I've just missed reading the right posts or talking to the right people? If it doesn't, then it's fine to say it could happen on this list, but why hasn't it already? Maybe the problem is that everyone else deals with this "alpha" stage of their writing in private e-mails and I'm so far out of the folcdom loop at the moment that I don't know anyone I currently feel comfortable imposing on. I just can't help wondering if other fanfiction writers feel exactly the same way and might also need that extra push to get the process started . . . off list. Which is exactly why the concept of a "bureau" of alpha editor volunteers began to grow in my head. The idea isn't about starting another discussion list so much as it is about creating a quicker way of getting writers acquainted with potential editors who could help them individually. Or collectively. Whatever works. Beverly :-) B.B. Medos bbmedos@booksanctuary.com Beverly's Book Basket http://www.likesbooks.com/bevcol.html Beverly's Book Sanctuary http://www.booksanctuary.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:51:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Putting my money (hopefully not my foot) where my mouth is.... Norman? Budmayes? This looks like a very good beginning, and you certainly have my interest. Your story came into my e-mail with a bit of a line wrap problem which may be something I have to work out - don't know. I have one suggestion. Although I understand that Martha and Jonathan were called "Ma and Pa" in other Superman incarnations, it still sounds strange to my ears to hear them called that. (It reminds me too much of "Ma and Pa Kettle.") In any case, at some points here, you call them Ma and Pa -- when Clark is referring to or thinking about his parents. But, when he calls or speaks to them, you have him saying "Mom and Dad." No matter what you do, you should probably make it consistent. Will look forward to learning who the "big bad wolf" is knocking on their door. Sandy *********************************** Norman Mayes wrote: > > Please let me know if this posts ok. My test, sending it to myself was OK. > This is all I've written so far. > > I�M NO SUPERHERO > > Clark stepped out onto the porch of his parents house and took a deep > breath of > the fresh, cool morning air. It promised to be a wonderful September day. > Hardly a cloud > in sight and the forecast was for bright and sunny, beautiful and warm. He > only wished > he had the time to enjoy it like it should be enjoyed. Maybe a baseball game > or tramp > through the woods. * Oh, well, * he thought, * time to get to work, so I can > then �go� to > work.* He had to be at the Smallville Gazette offices by 830. > He headed for the tractor parked beside the barn. Pa needed it fixed > �pronto�. It > had broken down late yesterday and pa needed it for the harvest. Pa had > mentioned it to > him when he had gotten home from the newspaper office last night. He had > promised to > look at it and see the problem could be fixed by his special talents. Under > cover of night, > he gone to the field, picked it up and moved it next to the barn, so he could > see to it in the > morning. > As he came next to it, he pulled his glasses down his nose and �looked � > into the > problem. * Ah, there�s the problem. The drive shaft had been bent. Probably > by a rock > thrown up by the tractor. Easily fixed. * By habit, he looked around the > area, checking to > see if there was anyone in sight. He didn�t expect there to be any one, as he > considered > his parents farm to be a �safe� area, but the habit had been drilled into him > by his parents > for years. It was simply part of him now. > Seeing no one, he slipped his glasses back in place, carefully placed his > hands on > good positions at the front of the tractor and lifted it over his head. > Balancing it on one > end, he reached over, bent the drive shaft back into position and lowered the > tractor back > to the ground. * Should be fine now. * > Clark turned to head back to the house and stopped dead. He suddenly had > this > chilling feeling that he was being �watched�. He turned and looked towards > the barn. * > OH, NO *. There was a stranger, a man, standing in the barn doorway. Looking > at HIM. > And he had this small smile on his face. All of his pa�s fearful prediction�s > of doom > flooded his mind in an instant and panic began to crawl up his throat from > the pit of his > stomach. > �MOM, DAD,� he shouted and headed for the house. �MOM, DAD, COME > QUICK. MOM, DAD.....HELP.� > > Clark raced through the porch door and into the kitchen. Ma and Pa were > just > getting up from the kitchen table. > �Clark, what�s wr..� > �Mom, Dad, someone... someone saw me. Outside, by the barn. I lifted the > tractor. He was in the barn. He saw me. What are we going to do?� > Martha was deeply shaken for a moment, but then she grabbed ahold of her > imminent panic and stuffed it down deep inside of herself. Clark needed her > to be strong > for him. She grabbed a chair, pulled it out and said �Clark, sit down. Now! > We�ll figure > this out. What happened? Who saw you? Explain it slowly!� > Martha�s strong calm words reached through Clark�s panic. He sat down, > licked > his lips and opened his mouth. > There was a knock on the door. > > budmayes ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:05:06 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kath Roden Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: Sandy McDermin >>No, you're not alone, but I think there might be some problems with this: 1) Creating a limited, e-mail group could become contentious. We've seen it happen before: "Oh, folcs, Daisy May is writing the greatest story! Wait till you see it!" "Where? Where can I get it?" "Oh, the story's not ready yet. I'm in a group that reads stories in advance and its not open for general membership." "Well, why can't I join? I'm a great person! I get straight "A"s, have a dog who loves me, I give to the needy and am a really fast reader, etc." And on and on.... FOLC WWXVIII 1/2 begins. Don't forget to buy bonds, support the troops, and tune in to a monitor near you.>> Amen! This was my initial reaction to Bev's post. But beyond that, if the same group gives all the feedback and suggestions (good and bad) doesn't that stagnate the process? Isn't that what you're (Bev) trying to avoid? <> Well, I generally stick with the Nfic <> This would be a Godsend! With all the recent brouhaha going on... I'd like to feel "one" with the group. KathR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:17:49 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Norman Mayes Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I will check this out. I may be mixing them up in my head with the Comic book version. bud ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:54:09 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kath Roden Subject: Question? Was Feedback Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed With all the posting about lack of feedback for the writers, I was wondering... Is this partially the cause as to why there will not be a Season 7? KathR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:37:18 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: Question? Was Feedback In-Reply-To: <19990913035409.28086.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >With all the posting about lack of feedback for the writers, I was >wondering... Is this partially the cause as to why there will not be a >Season 7? No, Kath. We've been headed for a series resolution since the start of S6, just as TUFS did at the end their fifth season. You can't go out with a big enough bang without planning for a l-o-n-g time :) Sheila ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:00:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? Comments: To: bbmedos@booksanctuary.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "B.B. Medos" wrote: > Sandy McDermin [SMTP:smcdermin@EROLS.COM] wrote: > > No, you're not alone, but I think there might be some problems with > > this: > > 1) Creating a limited, e-mail group could become contentious. We've > > seen it happen before: > > Well, anything has it's problems and I didn't expect the idea to either be easy > to do or well received for all the very accurate reasons Sandy listed. And > frankly, I have no interest in starting or joining another e-mail list myself. > It would absolutely not be my first choice. However that said, I am wanting to > find a way to connect up with alpha editors in an environment that allows both > sides to get a feel for whether they could work together before they take it to > private e-mail. IF they need to at all. If any of the current lists or message > boards can provide something along those lines, great. Well, I think you're already in that environment -- sort of. What I mean is, one way of finding "alpha" editors is to decide whose work you like and/or whose comments (and personality) you have appreciated through your interactions on the lists/boards and either ask them directly if they can give you feedback *or* put out a message to everyone asking for what you want and hope you reel in one of these people. (As an added incentive, you might post your questions or a little of what you're working on.) You've obviously had some interactions and read thru enough fanfic to have formed an opinion about a few people who might be helpful. (By the way, before I became involved in "folcdom," I had never in my life heard of "alpha editors" and "beta readers." Still sounds odd as opposed to just plain editor and proofer. How did these terms evolve?) > > Post whatever you have and I'll promise you a thorough analysis. > > I find I honestly hesitate to do that because I have no idea what is meant by a > thorough analysis It could mean whatever you want it to mean. You set the parameters. During your fishing expedition or after you've chosen your editors you, no doubt, should say, "I want this and this from you, but not that." I've found that pretty effective. People are usually willing to give you exactly the kind of feedback you want, and, if they don't, you seek out an additional person who will. During the process of writing my stories, I've had editors become more or less important and even one or two who, through mutual agreement, decided to drop out altogether. > and that's where the real problem arises in knowing where to > go or what to do to best deal with this. If taking a story apart point by point > and making judgement calls on whether it's good or bad, weak or strong, or to > be recommended or not is what is meant, then no thank you. That's more > appropriate for finished works and certainly isn't what I'm looking for in the > development stage of the writing process. On the other hand, if asking > questions about various points in a particular story that will in turn > challenge the writer to rethink their perspective in order to make > clarifications or improvements is what is meant, then that's a different thing > altogether. That is the kind of content development editing I need and am > looking for. The problem is that I haven't seen that kind of editing > discussions happening in any of the venues talked about so I don't know where > to turn. Does it happen somewhere on a regular basis and I've just missed > reading the right posts or talking to the right people? If it doesn't, then > it's fine to say it could happen on this list, but why hasn't it already? As you probably know, I have my own opinion on that. But, in any case, I'm sure you could get what you want if you asked for it. *Your* job is to find people who share enough of your point-of-view to appreciate your vision but who are different enough to challenge you. And, "unfortunately," this may change from story to story. It has for me. I had about four editors on my first story, who I needed to do exactly what you mention above. However, I only needed two on the second because I felt much more assured of what I was doing. I had the story pretty much done in my head before I wrote it, so, mostly, the editors just prodded me along and helped correct grammar. > Maybe the problem is that everyone else deals with this "alpha" stage of their > writing in private e-mails and I'm so far out of the folcdom loop at the moment > that I don't know anyone I currently feel comfortable imposing on. Well, if you give them the choice of responding to your request, then you're not imposing. If you want to be more selective and seek out certain individuals, you'll have to bite the bullet and risk imposing. I'm sure most won't consider it a problem. Sandy smcdermin@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:11:42 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: NK Family names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know anything about the Lord Nor thing, but I have a suggestion about NK. She could have meant it was a barren world. I don't think they would have just set up on an asteroid--they would have wanted something with at least an atmosphere, right? And I don't think they ever actually called it an asteroid, so . . . Or if you want, you can just ignore this :-) I won't mind. ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita Dicker To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 5:15 PM Subject: NK Family names > I'm still slowly, working on a LNC fanfic. I have more questions > > Is Lord Nor's family name ever mentioned ? > > Reason: Clark's name is Kal, family name is El. > > Is New Krypton a planet ? > > Reason: I keep hearing the phrase "a floating rock in space" in Lois' > voice. > A floating rock is an asteroid. > The problem is that, I've created the ruins of a long dead civilization > on the 'planet' now called New Krypton. > > Any assistance would be much appreciated. > I realize I have poetic license, but if I've forgotten something. > > Anita > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:20:00 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Maggie Part 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0194_01BEFD75.5613ED20" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0194_01BEFD75.5613ED20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, for those of you who didn't check the message boards, but liked the = first installment of this story:-) Enjoy:-) =20 Maggie part 2 Lois put down her pad and stared at her. "How is his life in danger?" Maggie shook her head. "I can't tell you! You're a reporter!" "I'm also a good friend of Superman's. You can trust me." "But . . ." "I'm not going to take you to Superman unless you tell me first." Maggie sighed. "Okay. But you have to swear not to print a word of this, = ok?" "I won't print any of this. You have my word." "I found out about it this morning . . ." " . . . I couldn't actually see them, but . . ." she broke off as = someone rapped sharply on the door.=20 The door opened to reveal a very good looking man just a little older = than she was. From the camera=20 around his neck, she assumed he was a photographer. Maggie smoothed back = her hair, suddenly aware of her rather scruffy appearance. He grinned at Maggie, but spoke to her companion. "Lois?" Lois had been looking out the window. She spun to face him. "What is it = Jimmy?" "The driver of that van . . . it was Seth Greenburg."=20 Lois exhaled sharply. "And?" "Well, he acted like he was on something. The paramedics had to restrain = him." "Who's Seth Greenburg?" Maggie asked. "He's a legal clerk in the DA's office, and he was my source," Lois = answered absently. "Jimmy, I=20 want you to find out everything you can about that van. Maggie, you come = with me." Maggie followed Lois out to a desk and sat in a chair beside it while = Lois called every emergency=20 room in the area with no result. At last Lois put the phone down. "Well, = wherever they took him, it wasn't=20 to the hospital. Jimmy!" "Right here." Jimmy dumped a sheaf of paper on the corner of Lois' desk. = "Here's all the info on=20 that van. Turns out it was stolen. Belongs to a pharmaceutical company = by the name of Pegasus Health=20 Group." Lois picked up the sheaf and leafed through it. "Which just happens to = be a front for Intergang."=20 Jimmy nodded. "It gets better. The ambulance that showed up to take = Greenburg away was=20 owned by the Reliable Ambulance Co. I did a little checking, and it = turns out that they're owned by the=20 Pegasus Health group." He grinned at Lois' surprised expression. "I = guess I am learning something from=20 you after all." "Good work Jimmy. Now I need to know where the van was taken." He handed her a slip of paper. "Here's the address of the impound lot = where the tow truck took=20 it." Lois grabbed her purse. "Come one Maggie. We're going to the impound = lot." ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek = IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------=_NextPart_000_0194_01BEFD75.5613ED20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok, for those of you who didn't check the message = boards,=20 but liked the first installment of this story:-)

Enjoy:-)

Maggie part 2

Lois put down her pad and stared at her. "How is his life in = danger?"

Maggie shook her head. "I can’t tell you! You’re a = reporter!"

"I’m also a good friend of Superman’s. You can trust = me."

"But . . ."

"I’m not going to take you to Superman unless you tell me = first."

Maggie sighed. "Okay. But you have to swear not to print a word of = this,=20 ok?"

"I won’t print any of this. You have my word."

"I found out about it this morning . . ."

" . . . I couldn’t actually see them, but . . ." she = broke off as=20 someone rapped sharply on the door.

The door opened to reveal a very good looking man just a little older = than=20 she was. From the camera

around his neck, she assumed he was a photographer. Maggie smoothed = back her=20 hair, suddenly aware of her rather scruffy appearance.

He grinned at Maggie, but spoke to her companion. "Lois?"

Lois had been looking out the window. She spun to face him. "What is = it=20 Jimmy?"

"The driver of that van . . . it was Seth Greenburg."

Lois exhaled sharply. "And?"

"Well, he acted like he was on something. The paramedics had to = restrain=20 him."

"Who’s Seth Greenburg?" Maggie asked.

"He’s a legal clerk in the DA’s office, and he was my = source," Lois answered=20 absently. "Jimmy, I

want you to find out everything you can about that van. Maggie, you = come with=20 me."

Maggie followed Lois out to a desk and sat in a chair beside it while = Lois=20 called every emergency

room in the area with no result. At last Lois put the phone down. = "Well,=20 wherever they took him, it wasn’t

to the hospital. Jimmy!"

"Right here." Jimmy dumped a sheaf of paper on the corner of = Lois’ desk.=20 "Here’s all the info on

that van. Turns out it was stolen. Belongs to a pharmaceutical = company by the=20 name of Pegasus Health

Group."

Lois picked up the sheaf and leafed through it. "Which just happens = to be a=20 front for Intergang."

Jimmy nodded. "It gets better. The ambulance that showed up to take = Greenburg=20 away was

owned by the Reliable Ambulance Co. I did a little checking, and it = turns out=20 that they’re owned by the

Pegasus Health group." He grinned at Lois’ surprised = expression. "I guess I=20 am learning something from

you after all."

"Good work Jimmy. Now I need to know where the van was taken."

He handed her a slip of paper. "Here’s the address of the = impound lot where=20 the tow truck took

it."

Lois grabbed her purse. "Come one Maggie. We’re going to the = impound=20 lot."

-----------------------
"Whoever = said the human=20 race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage=20 Home

"Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" = "Is it a=20 plane?"
"Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a = cape"
--crowd=20 scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark"

------=_NextPart_000_0194_01BEFD75.5613ED20-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:38:17 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Peace's Wedding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I attended the wedding on Saturday when i was IRC. Can someone PLEASE tell me where to find these mystery pics of the wedding? And please include an URL if you could. Thanks. Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:23:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Peace's Wedding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The URL is http://welcome.to/kingston.hope.wedding Nan No Name Available wrote: > Hi! > > I attended the wedding on Saturday when i was IRC. Can someone PLEASE tell > me where to find these mystery pics of the wedding? And please include an > URL if you could. > > Thanks. > Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:50:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Phillip Atcliffe Subject: COMBO: S6 finale and feedback In-Reply-To: <82E57D16D1D7D111A6B300A0C99B541007402EA4@mainex2.asu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Once upon a something, something, Vicki wrote: >>> Vicki (who just finished and LOVED S6, Ep. 13, Phil, and got to the end and thought "OMG, how long till I can find out what happens???" <<< To which Kathy replied with this infamous suggestion: >> We're shooting for Sunday, September 26. Let's tie *Phil* to his chair until he finishes. < And Vicki _agreed_ with her, to wit: > Looking for some rope...... Well, all I can say is... you'll be _sorr-ee-ee_.... Every so often, I need to get up and walk around so that I can think. Actually, I get some of my best ideas riding my motorcycle -- it's just a shame that I can't ride and type at the same time! Of course, if you really want to help, you can answer a question that just came up and I haven't had time to research yet -- what was the name of the old sensei who taught Superman in "Chi of Steel"? Phil, about to take another walk.... PS. I think my .sig sums up my attitude to feedback -- I want it, I want it.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Atcliffe (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk) Authors *live* for feedback, so remember, FoLCs -- Read 'Em and Write! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:41:46 +1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: It's Royal Show Time Again! Comments: To: LoisandClarkNAOS@onelist.com, lcnfanfic@onelist.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Apologies for the crossposting, but I wanted to try to make sure I got EVERYONE this time around! The Victorian Royal Agricultural Show is happening again, starting next Monday. Why they sell things like I'm about to advertise here, I have NO idea, however, here goes anyway: For the last two years, I have supplied to needy FoLCs around the world L&C Showbags. These consist of the following items: 1. Black nylon satchel with 2 velcro tab closures, short handle and long webbing shoulder strap, with red nylon lining and divider inside. L&C Logo appears on the front of the bag 2. Inside the bag you will find an A4 (similar size to 8 1/2" x 11") 2-hole binder with a sexy photo of Dean (from the Tattoo series, as I recall) on the front and a photo of L&C plus the logo on the back (I think it's the photo is a 1st season one of Lois in a spotted suit opening Clark's suit to reveal the S-shield) 3. Two spiral bound notepads, one about half the size of A4, the other half that size again, each with photos either of Dean or of Dean and Teri on the front cover, probably from the tattoo series again. (I have some pretty bad scans of the satchel and the notepads if you really want to see them. Email me for copies of the jpgs.) The showbags cost me $5 if I go to the Show to buy them. Last year, I contacted the distributors directly, and because I had orders for 75 showbags, they delivered them to my door, in boxes. I need to take orders ASAP for these bags if you want one. I would expect that you would pay me in CASH ($US) before I can send the bag to you, and that the amount you pay me would cover the cost of converting the money to Australian Dollars ($6), the cost of the bag ($5), the cost of the packaging ($1.20-$1.50), the cost of the postage itself (see below) and if you wish it, the cost of any insurance on the bag. Alternatively, if you wish to avoid part of the cost (that being the conversion cost to Aust. $) you can pay me by getting a gift voucher for me from Amazon.com. The current conversion rate is $1(AUD) = $0.655(USD). The local travel agent converts $US for me at the cost of $6 per transaction (yes, prices have increased since last year). I do not expect to make any profit on these sales, so I must charge for conversion on each purchase. Last year (I suspect that I've pretty much sold bags to most FoLCS who would be interested so I expect I'll have fewer orders this year than last year.) The postage cost varies depending not only on how many bags you order, but also on whether you choose to have your bag sent to you by airmail (takes 7-10 days to reach the US), economy air (takes 2-3 weeks) or surface mail (takes 2-3 months). To give you an idea, 1 bag sent to the US last year cost $15.25 for airmail, $11.50 for economy air and $10 for surface mail. So the total cost for a single showbag to be sent to the US by each of these three options was: $16.00, $14.00, or $13.00. If you place an order and are from a different country, email me, and I'll advise you on the cost to your country. Please email me privately at jenerator@ozemail.com.au for more info or to place your orders. I will be closing orders THIS COMING SUNDAY my time (= Saturday in the US) because the Show starts on Monday! Jen jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (7) and Megan (4) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:45:54 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy wrote: > >(By the way, before I became involved in "folcdom," I had never in my >life heard of "alpha editors" and "beta readers." Still sounds odd as >opposed to just plain editor and proofer. How did these terms evolve?) > LOL, Sandy. And here I thought I was alone. It's taken me until just recently to understand that what we 'old timers' call proofers, online writers and FoLCs call beta-readers. Don't half make me feel as though the world is moving on and I'm being left behind. ;) As to finding good proofers - I agree, it's very much a meeting of minds. You have to be on the same wavelength, yet not so much in sync that your proofers won't spot the things you've missed. A sadistic streak is optional, but highly effective. I've been extremely lucky in the people I've come to work with - through a combination of simply advertising for proofers on the old messageboards and FoLCs who have been friends or who have become friends after they've mailed me for some reason. But it is very much trial and error - and not the simplest of processes to get right. Someone could be the best proofer in the world - but they aren't necessarily the proofer *you* need and if they aren't then it won't work. When it comes together though - it's the most valuable asset a writer can get. One of my proofers recently made me laugh by telling me that it amused her how our relationship had changed over the months. To begin with the conversation would go something like this: "I think that maybe you should change this." "Hmmmm....well, okay, I'll think about it and see." Now? Well, now we've developed a shorthand: "Change this!" "Forget it!" Now *that's* what I call good proofing. ;) LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:04:04 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: NEW: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (01/10) PG-13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/12/1999 4:01:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Kirshnera@AOL.COM writes: << note: if you wish to download the entire story without dealing with the hassle of multiple emails, you can find the text file at http://www.angelfire.com/ny/loisclark/fumbling.txt >> Just wanted to say THANK YOU for this alternative......off to read what I am sure is a wonderful story...... Kate ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:56:22 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wolke Subject: Re: OT: The Kingston-Hope FoLC wedding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a beautiful idea to post the wedding-log! I was very sad that I couldn't attend but reading the log was almost as good. I was really touched by the ceremony and it was great to feel the happy and genuine warm friendliness among the FoLCs on the chat-channel. Thank you very much Anne and Congratiulations to Peace and Karl! Nicole -- AKA CKgroupie on IRC NKWolke@eifel-net.net (Attention everyone: My email addy has changed!) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:04:36 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: PJ Piasecki Subject: Re: OT: The Kingston-Hope FoLC wedding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/12/99 1:57:36 PM Central Daylight Time, AMCiotola@AOL.COM writes: << http://welcome.to/kingston.hope.wedding >> Anne, thanks so much for posting the beautiful pictures.(And, yes, they came out just fine!) I so wanted to be there, but, as I told Peace, RL reared it's ugly head in the form of a washing machine, and the brakes on my car (both very necessary),that both went out at the same time. I'm hoping to go up to visit Peace and Karl later this year. (We all know how much newlyweds enjoy overnight guests! ) Anyway, as much as I enjoyed being a "chat-room wedding guest" on Saturday night, it's just not the same as being there. We all kept wishing we had a camera so we could actually see what Jo was describing in her comments about the wedding. So thanks again for the pictures. They are terrific. Piper ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:54:51 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kath Roden Subject: Re: OT: The Kingston-Hope FoLC wedding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed In a message dated 9/12/99 1:57:36 PM Central Daylight Time, AMCiotola@AOL.COM writes: << http://welcome.to/kingston.hope.wedding >> Anne, thanks for posting the Pics! These are fabulous! To Peace and Karl, I've already sent this privately, but... I can't help repeating it again... CONGRATULATIONS!!! Love, joy and happiness to you both KathR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:45:27 GMT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Parente Subject: Re: Types of feedback and where to get it? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It sounds to me as though what you're talking about is a sort of referral service. A way for writers to get in touch with someone who would be willing to help them edit something. This would also help people who are willing to edit (like myself) get in touch with writers who would like their help. I think it's hard for relatively new people (again, like myself) to get into the swing of things because everyone seems to *know* everyone. Just my $0.02! Kathy Parente Now returning to my regularly scheduled lurking. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "B.B. Medos" Reply-To: "bbmedos@booksanctuary.com" To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: Re: [LOISCLA-GENERAL-L] Types of feedback and where to get it? Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:58:32 -0500 Maybe the problem is that everyone else deals with this "alpha" stage of their writing in private e-mails and I'm so far out of the folcdom loop at the moment that I don't know anyone I currently feel comfortable imposing on. I just can't help wondering if other fanfiction writers feel exactly the same way and might also need that extra push to get the process started . . . off list. Which is exactly why the concept of a "bureau" of alpha editor volunteers began to grow in my head. The idea isn't about starting another discussion list so much as it is about creating a quicker way of getting writers acquainted with potential editors who could help them individually. Or collectively. Whatever works. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:09:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jocelyn R Hoffman Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh you better finish this!!!! ~Jocelyn === Jocelyn R Hoffman dreaminglight@yahoo.com "You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club." -- Jack London __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:30:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Maggie Part 3 of 4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01BEFDDB.58277A80" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BEFDDB.58277A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here we go again. Tell me what you think, ok? Maggie Part 3 Maggie stood beside the open door of the van, watching while Lois = clambered around inside. "What are you looking for?" she asked. "Clues. Anything that Greenburg might have been trying to get to me." = She grunted in annoyance=20 as her wristwatch caught on something. "You could help a little, you = know. Maybe scan the van with your=20 x-ray vision, or something." "Um, well, that'd be a problem." Maggie shifted uncomfortably. "I, uh, = can't scan through=20 metal." Lois looked up in surprise. "You can't? I thought you were Kryptonian." "I am. I don't know why I can't." She shrugged. "I'm tough, but not = impenetrable. I'm fast, but=20 not as fast as Superman. Ditto for strength and my other abilities." She = shrugged. "Maybe its because I=20 was never actually on Krypton." "You weren't?" Lois was sitting down, now, taking a break from her = search. "Nope. I can clearly remember a space station of some kind. I'm not = sure, but I think it was after=20 Krypton exploded." Maggie wrinkled her nose, trying to remember more. "I = think the station was=20 damaged, and there were some areas on the station where I felt weaker. = There weren't very many adults=20 there, and the ones who were, were very sick." "Do you have anything from the ship that brought you here?" "Not that I know of. I haven't gone through all of the stuff my parents = sent me yet, though, when=20 they sent me off to boarding school." She shrugged, then climbed into = the van. "Let's see if there's=20 anything I can scan, ok?" Lois gestured expansively. "Be my guest." Maggie took a deep breath, and concentrated, squinting slightly to = improve the focus as she looked=20 around the van. There were quite a few areas she couldn't see into, but = they were mostly places like the=20 engine and the glove box, where Lois had already checked. After a = moment, she paused, staring at the=20 front passenger seat. "Hmm. That's odd. There's a metallic tube of some = kind wedged in the seat there.=20 Let me see if I can get it." She squeezed her hand into the seat, and = muttered under her breath. She=20 grabbed it with both hands and pulled, bending the metal away from the = base. A small metal tube fell out=20 and rolled over to Lois' feet. Lois picked it up and pulled it open. A small crumpled piece of paper = fell out into her hand. She=20 straightened it and looked it over. "Yes! This is just what I was = looking for!" Maggie exchanged a nervous look with Jimmy. After their discovery at the impound lot, she and Lois had returned to = the Planet to pick up a=20 photographer-Jimmy Olson, it turned out. It turned out that the = good-looking photographer often helped=20 Lois and her husband, Clark Kent, on investigations. When they had gotten to the Planet, Lois had tried to leave Maggie = behind. Maggie had told Lois=20 in no uncertain terms that if Lois didn't take her along, she would just = follow along behind. She'd seen=20 how these people played it, and she figured Lois could use some back up = that was a little less vulnerable to=20 injury. Now, they were standing outside the Reliable Ambulance Company, waiting = for Lois to pick the=20 lock on the back door. They had waited for the fall of darkness to come = to the building. Strangely enough,=20 Maggie had not yet seen the mysterious Clark Kent, despite the lateness = of the hour. Jimmy grinned reassuringly at Maggie, who was looking around nervously. "Don't worry," he whispered. "Lois does this all the time." "Really?" Maggie replied almost soundlessly. "I haven't! I've never = committed a crime before!"=20 "Just remember, they're the bad guys. These people are working for = Intergang. You've heard of=20 them?" "Who hasn't? They're the biggest crime syndicate around!" Lois glared at them. "I could do with a little less chatter!" The two dutifully shut up. Another minute passed, then Maggie, who was = concentrating on her=20 hearing, just in case someone was to come up behind them, heard a sharp = click from the door. Lois=20 exclaimed softly in satisfaction and opened the door a crack. Then she = pushed the door open wider and=20 stepped soundlessly inside with Jimmy only a step behind her. Maggie = hesitated a moment, then she, too,=20 started to step inside. As she did so, a door just a short distance up the corridor opened. The = man who stepped through=20 was holding a gun. "Nobody move!" Jimmy grabbed Maggie by the arm and shoved her back out the door. "Get = help!" ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek = IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BEFDDB.58277A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here we go again. Tell me what you think,=20 ok?

Maggie Part 3

Maggie stood beside the open door of the van, watching while Lois = clambered=20 around inside.

"What are you looking for?" she asked.

"Clues. Anything that Greenburg might have been trying to get to me." = She=20 grunted in annoyance

as her wristwatch caught on something. "You could help a little, you = know.=20 Maybe scan the van with your

x-ray vision, or something."

"Um, well, that’d be a problem." Maggie shifted uncomfortably. = "I, uh, can’t=20 scan through

metal."

Lois looked up in surprise. "You can’t? I thought you were = Kryptonian."

"I am. I don’t know why I can’t." She shrugged. = "I’m tough, but not=20 impenetrable. I’m fast, but

not as fast as Superman. Ditto for strength and my other abilities." = She=20 shrugged. "Maybe its because I

was never actually on Krypton."

"You weren’t?" Lois was sitting down, now, taking a break from = her=20 search.

"Nope. I can clearly remember a space station of some kind. I’m = not sure, but=20 I think it was after

Krypton exploded." Maggie wrinkled her nose, trying to remember more. = "I=20 think the station was

damaged, and there were some areas on the station where I felt = weaker. There=20 weren’t very many adults

there, and the ones who were, were very sick."

"Do you have anything from the ship that brought you here?"

"Not that I know of. I haven’t gone through all of the stuff my = parents sent=20 me yet, though, when

they sent me off to boarding school." She shrugged, then climbed into = the=20 van. "Let’s see if there’s

anything I can scan, ok?"

Lois gestured expansively. "Be my guest."

Maggie took a deep breath, and concentrated, squinting slightly to = improve=20 the focus as she looked

around the van. There were quite a few areas she couldn’t see = into, but they=20 were mostly places like the

engine and the glove box, where Lois had already checked. After a = moment, she=20 paused, staring at the

front passenger seat. "Hmm. That’s odd. There’s a = metallic tube of some kind=20 wedged in the seat there.

Let me see if I can get it." She squeezed her hand into the seat, and = muttered under her breath. She

grabbed it with both hands and pulled, bending the metal away from = the base.=20 A small metal tube fell out

and rolled over to Lois’ feet.

Lois picked it up and pulled it open. A small crumpled piece of paper = fell=20 out into her hand. She

straightened it and looked it over. "Yes! This is just what I was = looking=20 for!"

Maggie exchanged a nervous look with Jimmy.

After their discovery at the impound lot, she and Lois had returned = to the=20 Planet to pick up a

photographer—Jimmy Olson, it turned out. It turned out that the = good-looking=20 photographer often helped

Lois and her husband, Clark Kent, on investigations.

When they had gotten to the Planet, Lois had tried to leave Maggie = behind.=20 Maggie had told Lois

in no uncertain terms that if Lois didn’t take her along, she = would just=20 follow along behind. She’d seen

how these people played it, and she figured Lois could use some back = up that=20 was a little less vulnerable to

injury.

Now, they were standing outside the Reliable Ambulance Company, = waiting for=20 Lois to pick the

lock on the back door. They had waited for the fall of darkness to = come to=20 the building. Strangely enough,

Maggie had not yet seen the mysterious Clark Kent, despite the = lateness of=20 the hour.

Jimmy grinned reassuringly at Maggie, who was looking around = nervously.

"Don’t worry," he whispered. "Lois does this all the time."

"Really?" Maggie replied almost soundlessly. "I haven’t! = I’ve never committed=20 a crime before!"

"Just remember, they’re the bad guys. These people are working = for Intergang.=20 You’ve heard of

them?"

"Who hasn’t? They’re the biggest crime syndicate = around!"

Lois glared at them. "I could do with a little less chatter!"

The two dutifully shut up. Another minute passed, then Maggie, who = was=20 concentrating on her

hearing, just in case someone was to come up behind them, heard a = sharp click=20 >from the door. Lois

exclaimed softly in satisfaction and opened the door a crack. Then = she pushed=20 the door open wider and

stepped soundlessly inside with Jimmy only a step behind her. Maggie=20 hesitated a moment, then she, too,

started to step inside.

As she did so, a door just a short distance up the corridor opened. = The man=20 who stepped through

was holding a gun. "Nobody move!"

Jimmy grabbed Maggie by the arm and shoved her back out the door. = "Get=20 help!"

-----------------------
"Whoever = said the human=20 race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage=20 Home

"Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" = "Is it a=20 plane?"
"Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a = cape"
--crowd=20 scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark"

------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BEFDDB.58277A80-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:51:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dennis A Arendt Subject: Re: Birthday Thank MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got a thank you card from Dean via Stan this morning for the birthday present I sent. So all of you that sent gifts check your mail closely, it's a small card and I almost threw it out. Brenda ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:47:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Birthday Thank In-Reply-To: <091399140116.10@hrcs4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I got a thank you card from Dean via Stan this morning for the birthday >present I sent. So all of you that sent >gifts check your mail closely, it's a small card and I almost threw it out. > >Brenda Thanks for the warning:) Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:24:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: COMBO: S6 finale and feedback In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 8:50 AM -0400 9/13/99, Phillip Atcliffe wrote: >Actually, I get >some of my best ideas riding my motorcycle Oooo, Dr. Klein has competition ... Phil, my big strong science man! >Of course, if you really want to help, you can answer a question that >just came up and I haven't had time to research yet -- what was the >name of the old sensei who taught Superman in "Chi of Steel"? This looks a job for Super-FoLC .. Zoom? Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:35:25 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Carlson Subject: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I have been going through the list of nominees for each category for the Nfic Kerths. I don't know about you guys, but for me this is a really difficult task. Every one of the nominated stories is wonderful! How can I choose between my all time favorites? Here is my question: How do you feel about the true definition of the Nfic Awards? Is it the best story that has not been recognized because of its "n" ness? I feel torn between epics that have been nominees and winners from the regular Kerth Awards The authors were able to add the nfic sections later (or subtract them -- as the case may be). The plots of these fics were not altered that much. But for the majority of the nfics, if the "n" were removed, there would be a shadow of the story plot. With this thought in mind, the voting becomes an easier task for me. Painful still ..... but easier. I will vote for the stories that have always been considered "nfics". What do you think of my decision? Best regards to all of the nominees, Anne (ACdrift@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:41:24 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: COMBO: S6 finale and feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/99 3:23:20 PM Central Daylight Time, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes: << >Of course, if you really want to help, you can answer a question that >just came up and I haven't had time to research yet -- what was the >name of the old sensei who taught Superman in "Chi of Steel"? This looks a job for Super-FoLC .. Zoom? >> The "old sensei", Mr. Chow, mainly referred to as "grandfather" was not the one who taught Superman. Superman was taught some YiChi (sp?) techniques by his granddaughter, Lynn Chow. I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for, but there it is ;) Zoom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:39:58 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: OT: Withdrawal Symptoms by Proxy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys! Posting for Wendy. Her mailbox got dumped again while she was absent from the office over the weekend - which has, quite naturally, ticked her off mightily. The words that came out of that woman's mouth as she was hauled off that mountain.....oh, no, wait, that was someone else. Sentiment was the same though. But she was a little more polite about it than Lois apparently was. ;) And she was looking forward to catching up with all the fascinating reading that's been going on over the weekend too. Anyway, she's asked me to let you all know that the tech dept. are right on it and that she's having withdrawal symptoms. Doesn't know when she'll get back on the list, but she's looking forward to it! LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:54:01 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: OT: Withdrawal Symptoms by Proxy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/99 3:48:51 PM Central Daylight Time, labrat@UKF.NET writes: << Anyway, she's asked me to let you all know that the tech dept. are right on it and that she's having withdrawal symptoms. Doesn't know when she'll get back on the list, but she's looking forward to it! >> Well, I added her to the list today: To: ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK (Wendy Richards) CC: Zoomway@AOL.COM (The Zoomway), fchisham@CS.INDIANA.EDU Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:10:37 You have been added to the LOISCLA-GENERAL-L mailing list (Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic) by The Zoomway . The problem is, this list is set up through a request/approval system. People apparently can't join directly. So, I saw her request and approved it, but I didn't get on line till two this afternoon Hopefully she's all set now. Zoom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:08:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:35 PM -0400 9/13/99, Anne Carlson wrote: >With this thought in mind, the voting becomes an easier task for me. Painful >still ..... but easier. I will vote for the stories that have always been >considered "nfics". What do you think of my decision? I think your criteria is as good as anyone else's! :) Thanks for the idea, Anne. It might make things a little easier. I agree that voting is going to be tough. 10-15 options in some categories? Wow, and I thought choosing one of five for the regular Kerths was hard! Even voting for your favorite author won't always work -- several categories have multiple stories by the same author competing against each other. I have a feeling a lot of votes will be rolling in the last few days of voting simply because people will need that long to decide! I know I'm going to need the full 3 weeks. :) A similar dilemma I have -- and this applies to the regular Kerths as well -- is multi-part stories. Is it fair to put a stand-alone story up against a trilogy or series? Should only one part of a multi-part story be listed? Yet is it fair to disqualify an outstanding story because it was released in several parts? Neither option sounds entirely fair, and I know this will definitely be something we'll need to discuss this winter when the 2000 Kerths come around! The category for the nKerths that I'm confused about is Best Vignette, specifically regarding Julie Mack's "Bedtime Series". There are *49* separate vignettes that make up this series. Are we supposed to evaluate the entire series? If we are, then how did a series get into the Best Vignette category? I doubt the combined total of that series total is under 20K, which was the criteria for getting a story into that category! The other confusing part is that all five of Julie's other vignettes that were nominated are *part* of the Bedtime series. Isn't that kind of like nominating "S6" for "Best Episode" while also naming individual episodes? Did this series perhaps get listed by mistake? Irene, Dawn? Can you help me out here? I'm so confused! Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:12:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: OT: Withdrawal Symptoms by Proxy In-Reply-To: <006601befe29$0b1e4540$4a8701d4@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:39 PM +0100 9/13/99, LabRat wrote: >And she was looking forward to catching up with all the fascinating reading >that's been going on over the weekend too. Wendy, go to the listserv archive! Never again do you need to miss out on our fascinating discussion (heh heh). You can always hit the www and read all those posts you missed! http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html This site was a lifesaver when I was nomail for a couple months this summer. I was gone too frequently to get the listmail, but every week or so, I could skim the site and see if there was anything important that I missed. I did the same thing last week when my mail server went down for a day unexpectedly. I was going to withdrawal, so I just surfed over to the site and read the day's mail there. :) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:45:51 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vicki Krell Subject: Re: COMBO: S6 finale and feedback MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BEFE28.FBB3ED94" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEFE28.FBB3ED94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Phil, you don't really need to be too concerned, knot tying is NOT one of my many talents. Okay, I admit it, maybe we got a little too carried away, but it's not entirely our fault that you write so well, is it??? I'll have to check my tape for the name of the sensei, because for some reason, my brain keeps jumping to Pat Morita in the Karate Kid, and I know that the sensei in L&C was NOT named Mr. Myagi. Vicki (who has TWO friends who have Harleys, kind of fun...) Vicki.Krell@asu.edu -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Atcliffe [mailto:Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK] Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:51 AM To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: COMBO: S6 finale and feedback Once upon a something, something, Vicki wrote: >>> Vicki (who just finished and LOVED S6, Ep. 13, Phil, and got to the end and thought "OMG, how long till I can find out what happens???" <<< To which Kathy replied with this infamous suggestion: >> We're shooting for Sunday, September 26. Let's tie *Phil* to his chair until he finishes. < And Vicki _agreed_ with her, to wit: > Looking for some rope...... Well, all I can say is... you'll be _sorr-ee-ee_.... Every so often, I need to get up and walk around so that I can think. Actually, I get some of my best ideas riding my motorcycle -- it's just a shame that I can't ride and type at the same time! Of course, if you really want to help, you can answer a question that just came up and I haven't had time to research yet -- what was the name of the old sensei who taught Superman in "Chi of Steel"? Phil, about to take another walk.... PS. I think my .sig sums up my attitude to feedback -- I want it, I want it.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Atcliffe (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk) Authors *live* for feedback, so remember, FoLCs -- Read 'Em and Write! ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEFE28.FBB3ED94 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: COMBO: S6 finale and feedback
Phil, you don't really need to be too concerned, knot tying is NOT = one of my many talents. Okay, I admit it, maybe we got a little too = carried away, but it's not entirely our fault that you write so well, = is it???

I'll have to check my tape for the name of the sensei, because for = some reason, my brain keeps jumping to Pat Morita in the Karate Kid, = and I know that the sensei in L&C was NOT named Mr. Myagi.

Vicki (who has TWO friends who have Harleys, kind of fun...)
Vicki.Krell@asu.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Atcliffe [mailto:Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.A= C.UK]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:51 AM
To: = LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
Subject: COMBO: S6 = finale and feedback

Once upon a something, something, Vicki wrote:

>>> Vicki (who just finished and LOVED S6, Ep. 13, Phil, = and got to the
end and thought "OMG, how long till I can find out what = happens???" <<<

To which Kathy replied with this infamous suggestion:

>> We're shooting for Sunday, September 26. Let's tie *Phil* = to his
chair until he finishes. <bg> <

And Vicki _agreed_ with her, to wit:

> Looking for some rope...... <vbeg>

Well, all I can say is... you'll be _sorr-ee-ee_.... Every so often, = I
need to get up and walk around so that I can think. Actually, I get
some of my best ideas riding my motorcycle -- it's just a shame = that I
can't ride and type at the same time! <g>

Of course, if you really want to help, you can answer a question = that
just came up and I haven't had time to research yet -- what was the
name of the old sensei who taught Superman in "Chi of = Steel"?

Phil, about to take another walk....

PS. I think my .sig sums up my attitude to feedback -- I want it, I
want it.... <drool, slaver> <g>
--------------------------------------------------------------------= --
Phil Atcliffe (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk)
Authors *live* for feedback, so remember, FoLCs -- Read 'Em and = Write!

------_=_NextPart_001_01BEFE28.FBB3ED94-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:38:27 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >With this thought in mind, the voting becomes an easier task for me. Painful >still ..... but easier. I will vote for the stories that have always been >considered "nfics". What do you think of my decision? Well, heck, Anne, I hate it, of course :) But, then, I write those really long, intricately plotted stories that can have the "n" taken out and still have enough story to stand on their own. That distinction would automatically disqualify a story like Mxysplit, even though I think it has a pretty original approach to the nfic part, and even though the nfic part alone that I added to the original story is over 50% longer than any of the nfic vignettes. So, no, I won't be using that as a criterion for my voting, but, hey, if it works for you, go for it! Sheila ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:38:03 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/12/99 10:53:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes: << problem which may be something I have to work out - don't know. I have one suggestion. Although I understand that Martha and Jonathan were called "Ma and Pa" in other Superman incarnations, it still sounds strange to my ears to hear them called that. (It reminds me too much of "Ma and Pa Kettle.") >> On the show, the only time I recall Martha and Jonathan being referred to as Ma and Pa was by Jason Mazik when he had kidnapped them and was telling Clark to steal the diamonds or "Ma and Pa will die." So I would go along with Sandy that it sounds weird. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:33:14 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: >The category for the nKerths that I'm confused about is Best Vignette, >specifically regarding Julie Mack's "Bedtime Series". There are *49* >separate vignettes that make up this series. Are we supposed to evaluate >the entire series? If we are, then how did a series get into the Best >Vignette category? I doubt the combined total of that series total is >under 20K, which was the criteria for getting a story into that category! > The other confusing part is that all five of Julie's other vignettes >that were nominated are *part* of the Bedtime series. Isn't that kind of >like nominating "S6" for "Best Episode" while also naming individual >episodes? Did this series perhaps get listed by mistake? > >Irene, Dawn? Can you help me out here? I'm so confused! > ~~~I'm a little concerned that this will split Julie's vote too. Menolly's Dayz series is listed in the same category as Dayz of Thunder on its own, if I remember rightly - and I have the same worry there. On the face of it, it would seem to disadvantage the writers in question as they end up competing against *themselves* as well as the other nominees in the category. Don't they? I'll freely admit I'm not good at this organization thing, so I could have entirely the wrong end of a theory here. > LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. >______________________ >Kathy Brown >kathyb@springnet1.com >KathyB on IRC >______________________ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:33:32 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: OT: Withdrawal Symptoms by Proxy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zoom wrote: >Well, I added her to the list today: > Thanks, Zoom. I'm not sure if it was the actual resigning to the list itself that was causing a delay though, or the tech dept. sorting out her mailing problem. >The problem is, this list is set up through a request/approval system. People >apparently can't join directly. So, I saw her request and approved it, but I >didn't get on line till two this afternoon Hopefully she's all set now. > ~~~Well, she mailed me this afternoon, lunchtime and I didn't download my mail and see her request to post an explanation until just now around 9.30 pm, so..... ~~~ > Kathy wrote: Wendy, go to the listserv archive! Never again do you need to miss out on our fascinating discussion (heh heh). You can always hit the www and read all those posts you missed! ~~~Already directed her there, Kathy. ;) That's where she's been holed up this afternoon in lieu of being with us, live. ~~~ LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:54:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, Elisabeth and I thought Movers and Shakers was GREAT! Shame on us for not saying so earlier. But I have to agree with Alicia...we often forget that the Literary Greats like you and all the rest(I refuse to name them all because I would surely forget one or five), are just people like the rest of us and enjoy getting praise for work well done. As a nymph writer myself I wonder what I have to offer to the likes of y'all. Then I realize that you do it for fun and the fun comes from responces. James === Mr. D8a Philipians 4:8 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:17:39 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I also have a delimma - so many of the stories are nominated in so many of the categories - what happens if there is a tie? merry Anne Carlson wrote: > Hi All, > > I have been going through the list of nominees for each category for the Nfic > Kerths. I don't know about you guys, but for me this is a really difficult > task. Every one of the nominated stories is wonderful! How can I choose > between my all time favorites? > > Here is my question: How do you feel about the true definition of the Nfic > Awards? Is it the best story that has not been recognized because of its "n" > ness? I feel torn between epics that have been nominees and winners from the > regular Kerth Awards The authors were able to add the nfic sections later (or > subtract them -- as the case may be). The plots of these fics were not > altered that much. But for the majority of the nfics, if the "n" were > removed, there would be a shadow of the story plot. > > With this thought in mind, the voting becomes an easier task for me. Painful > still ..... but easier. I will vote for the stories that have always been > considered "nfics". What do you think of my decision? > > Best regards to all of the nominees, > Anne (ACdrift@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:22:09 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: NK Family names In-Reply-To: <19990913060949.92798.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:11 PM 09/12/1999 -0700, you wrote: >I don't know anything about the Lord Nor thing, but I have a suggestion >about NK. >She [Lois] could have meant it was a barren world. And, to Lois, a barren world could be any place without a ready supply of chocolate, a hot tub, and down-filled comforters Debby Debby@swcp.com fast & fearless ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:48:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Diyan Subject: Good-bye MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, FoLCs, real life has been getting busier for me, and with the list as busy as it is now I just can't keep up. So, I've dicided to leave the list. I will still be reading the new stories at the Archive, and occasionally checking Zoomway's message boards, so I'll still be around. But I will miss being on the list. -Diyan zimri@hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:47:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: Good-bye MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry that you're leaving Diyan. Glad to hear that you aren't leaving FoLCdom completely however. Take care, Irene --- Diyan wrote: > Well, FoLCs, real life has been getting busier for > me, and with the list as > busy as it is now I just can't keep up. So, I've > dicided to leave the list. > I will still be reading the new stories at the > Archive, and occasionally > checking Zoomway's message boards, so I'll still be > around. But I will miss > being on the list. > > -Diyan > zimri@hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:07:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, let's try to tackle these questions. For a couple of reasons, Dawn and I decided to 1/ keep as many stories as possible in each category, and 2/ to allow series to be nominated as well as individual stories. First of all, we did winnow through the nominations and eliminate those stories that only got one nomination. But in many of the categories, that left a huge number that did get multiple nominations. Seeing as this award is for quite a few years worth of stories, we did not feel that it was right to eliminate any story that received multiple nominations. I guess you could say that Dawn and I just about bent over backwards trying to have as many stories recognized as possible in the nomination process. If we are both still coordinators for next years awards (that is, if you guys don't toss us out on our ears! ) then we would definitely be tightening up the criteria as we wouldn't have to worry about the huge story backlog anymore. As far as allowing series to be nominated as well as individual vignettes, I think this boils down to trial and error. We're new at this. Again, we don't want to eliminate any stories unneccessarily >from contention. I do see everyone's point about Julie and Menolly competing against themselves however, and, although we haven't discussed it yet, I would imagine Dawn would concur with me, but unfortunately we can not change things at this late date. Voting is open, active and we have already tallied a large number of ballots so this is the way things will be staying. Will we be doing things differently next year? Most definitely. We can already see that there are a couple of new categories that we would like to add. I'm sorry but I don't think I'm much help here. Everyone, please just do your best voting. Irene --- LabRat wrote: > Kathy wrote: > > >The category for the nKerths that I'm confused > about is Best Vignette, > >specifically regarding Julie Mack's "Bedtime > Series". There are *49* > >separate vignettes that make up this series. Are > we supposed to evaluate > >the entire series? If we are, then how did a > series get into the Best > >Vignette category? I doubt the combined total of > that series total is > >under 20K, which was the criteria for getting a > story into that category! > > The other confusing part is that all five of > Julie's other vignettes > >that were nominated are *part* of the Bedtime > series. Isn't that kind of > >like nominating "S6" for "Best Episode" while also > naming individual > >episodes? Did this series perhaps get listed by > mistake? > > > >Irene, Dawn? Can you help me out here? I'm so > confused! > > > ~~~I'm a little concerned that this will split > Julie's vote too. Menolly's > Dayz series is listed in the same category as Dayz > of Thunder on its own, if > I remember rightly - and I have the same worry > there. On the face of it, it > would seem to disadvantage the writers in question > as they end up competing > against *themselves* as well as the other nominees > in the category. > Don't they? I'll freely admit I'm not good at this > organization thing, so I > could have entirely the wrong end of a theory here. > > > > > LabRat :) > Doc. Klein's LabRat > labrat@ukf.net > > "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." > The final words of > General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the > parapet at enemy lines > during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. > > "You will never amount to very much." - Munich > Schoolmaster to Albert > Einstein, aged 10. > > >______________________ > >Kathy Brown > >kathyb@springnet1.com > >KathyB on IRC > >______________________ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:14:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Kathy, > > I agree that voting is going to be tough. 10-15 > options in some > categories? Wow, and I thought choosing one of five > for the regular Kerths > was hard! Even voting for your favorite author > won't always work -- > several categories have multiple stories by the same > author competing > against each other. I have a feeling a lot of votes > will be rolling in the > last few days of voting simply because people will > need that long to > decide! I know I'm going to need the full 3 > weeks. :) > > A similar dilemma I have -- and this applies to the > regular Kerths as well > -- is multi-part stories. Is it fair to put a > stand-alone story up against > a trilogy or series? Should only one part of a > multi-part story be listed? > Yet is it fair to disqualify an outstanding story > because it was released > in several parts? Neither option sounds entirely > fair, and I know this > will definitely be something we'll need to discuss > this winter when the > 2000 Kerths come around! Please let Dawn and I know what you decide, Kathy as we don't have an answer for this either. > > The category for the nKerths that I'm confused about > is Best Vignette, > specifically regarding Julie Mack's "Bedtime > Series". There are *49* > separate vignettes that make up this series. Are we > supposed to evaluate > the entire series? If we are, then how did a series > get into the Best > Vignette category? I doubt the combined total of > that series total is > under 20K, which was the criteria for getting a > story into that category! > The other confusing part is that all five of > Julie's other vignettes > that were nominated are *part* of the Bedtime > series. Isn't that kind of > like nominating "S6" for "Best Episode" while also > naming individual > episodes? Did this series perhaps get listed by > mistake? No, no mistake. Please refer to my previous email but to summarize, Dawn and I are perhaps overzealous in trying to get the maximum number of stories recognized as possible. > > Irene, Dawn? Can you help me out here? I'm so > confused! Sorry, so am I! Irene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:25:27 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Irene wrote: >As far as allowing series to be nominated as well as individual >vignettes, I think this boils down to trial and error. We're new at >this. Again, we don't want to eliminate any stories unneccessarily >>from contention. I do see everyone's point about Julie and Menolly >competing against themselves however, and, although we haven't >discussed it yet, I would imagine Dawn would concur with me, but >unfortunately we can not change things at this late date. Voting is >open, active and we have already tallied a large number of ballots so >this is the way things will be staying. Will we be doing things >differently next year? Most definitely. We can already see that there >are a couple of new categories that we would like to add. Aha! This sounds like a logical reason to me. Technically, I believe that it's called shakedown. No, I can see why things can't be changed at this stage and wouldn't expect them to be - but glad that you're aware it might be a problem for certain writers. And that it probably won't be a problem next year. Can I put in a notation and suggest that if everyone who intends to vote for Menolly remembers to vote for the Dayzs series as a whole and not Dayz of Thunder as a story alone, that gives her a more equal chance? Same for Julie. > >I'm sorry but I don't think I'm much help here. Everyone, please just >do your best voting. No, sounded like a pretty good reason to me, Irene. It's easy to figure out how to organize from the sidelines - when you ain't the one organizing. We appreciate all of the hard work you, Dawn and your cohorts have done on this project. Like you say - trial and error. These things are never perfect first time around. But then what is? Well.....anything related to Dean, of course, but that's a whole other story..... LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:35:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for understanding, Labrat. Irene --- LabRat wrote: > Irene wrote: > > >As far as allowing series to be nominated as well > as individual > >vignettes, I think this boils down to trial and > error. We're new at > >this. Again, we don't want to eliminate any > stories unneccessarily > >from contention. I do see everyone's point about > Julie and Menolly > >competing against themselves however, and, although > we haven't > >discussed it yet, I would imagine Dawn would concur > with me, but > >unfortunately we can not change things at this late > date. Voting is > >open, active and we have already tallied a large > number of ballots so > >this is the way things will be staying. Will we be > doing things > >differently next year? Most definitely. We can > already see that there > >are a couple of new categories that we would like > to add. > > > Aha! This sounds like a logical reason to me. > Technically, I believe that > it's called shakedown. No, I can see why things > can't be changed at this > stage and wouldn't expect them to be - but glad that > you're aware it might > be a problem for certain writers. And that it > probably won't be a problem > next year. > > Can I put in a notation and suggest that if everyone > who intends to vote for > Menolly remembers to vote for the Dayzs series as a > whole and not Dayz of > Thunder as a story alone, that gives her a more > equal chance? Same for > Julie. > > > >I'm sorry but I don't think I'm much help here. > Everyone, please just > >do your best voting. > > No, sounded like a pretty good reason to me, Irene. > It's easy to figure out > how to organize from the sidelines - when you ain't > the one organizing. We > appreciate all of the hard work you, Dawn and your > cohorts have done on this > project. Like you say - trial and error. These > things are never perfect > first time around. But then what is? > Well.....anything related to Dean, of > course, but that's a whole other story..... > > LabRat :) > Doc. Klein's LabRat > labrat@ukf.net > > "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." > The final words of > General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the > parapet at enemy lines > during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. > > "You will never amount to very much." - Munich > Schoolmaster to Albert > Einstein, aged 10. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:46:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: <19990914011438.3970.rocketmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 6:14 PM -0700 9/13/99, Irene D. wrote: >>all five of >> Julie's other vignettes >> that were nominated are *part* of the Bedtime >> series. > >No, no mistake. Please refer to my previous email but to summarize, >Dawn and I are perhaps overzealous in trying to get the maximum number >of stories recognized as possible. But Irene, aren't Julie's stories in effect on the ballot *twice*, once in the series and once under each story title? Same with Menolly's Dayz of Thunder? These stories are *part* of the series, so how can they be nominated under their individual titles as well? Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:47:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: <003801befe50$19b53f60$249901d4@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:25 AM +0100 9/14/99, LabRat wrote: > Voting is >>open, active and we have already tallied a large number of ballots so >>this is the way things will be staying. Wow, a large number of votes ... who are these people, and can they read the stories for me??? LOL! Good for them. :) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:52:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > >No, no mistake. Please refer to my previous email > but to summarize, > >Dawn and I are perhaps overzealous in trying to get > the maximum number > >of stories recognized as possible. > > > But Irene, aren't Julie's stories in effect on the > ballot *twice*, once in > the series and once under each story title? Same > with Menolly's Dayz of > Thunder? These stories are *part* of the series, so > how can they be > nominated under their individual titles as well? Yes, you are correct, Kathy. Unfortunately, they were nominated that way - both individually and as a series. I do agree that Dawn and I should have looked at the situation more closely at that point, but we didn't. No excuses to offer you, just, we didn't catch it. Trust me when I say that you won't see this type of problem next year. (Other problems, sure, but not *this* type!) Irene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:57:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: <19990914015227.23638.rocketmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 6:52 PM -0700 9/13/99, Irene D. wrote: >Trust me when I say that you won't see this type of problem next year. >(Other problems, sure, but not *this* type!) LOL, Irene .. I know the feeling. And I'm sure Erin and I will be going through the same thing come spring. :) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:06:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:52 PM 9/13/99 -0700, Irene D. wrote: > I do agree that Dawn and I >should have looked at the situation more closely at that point, but we >didn't. No excuses to offer you, just, we didn't catch it. > >Trust me when I say that you won't see this type of problem next year. >(Other problems, sure, but not *this* type!) Irene, I think you and Dawn and your website team have done a terrific job, and when the awards are announced, we'll all have a great time, winners and nominees and fans alike, just like we do at the Kerths. Thanks for putting in all the hard work you did. Sheila sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:06:55 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: Birthday Thank MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/99 1:51:56 PM EST, d.arendt@WORLDNET.ATT.NET writes: <> WOW! That is so kewl! May I ask what gift it was? Well then i take it you sent it to Stan, am i right? I have a few addy's to work with. I am thinking about sending Dean something someday so I need to know what addy's work and what ones's don't! I think that is awesome that Dean is taking the time to send thank you notes for his bday presents. I know there were about 19 of us who worked that quilt, i wonder if he will send each of us individually a thank you note? If he does i will be on Cloud Nine! Alexis ;-.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:14:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, speaking of "category problems" or whatever we were speaking about, I was really surprised to find "Love as a Blonde" in the "next generation" category when it's ... not about the next generation. The kids are a small subplot in that story, while my poor "Something's Missing," which wasn't nominated for anything, features the children. In fact, the plot of "SM" revolves around the kid. What's that all about!? I briefly considered asking Irene to pull "Blonde" from that category but then I thought, "don't be a boob!" Sandy (boobless ... um, I mean, you know ... figuratively.... Ugh! *Symbolically!* -- Eeeee.) smcdermin@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:07:26 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit continue the story merry Norman Mayes wrote: > Please let me know if this posts ok. My test, sending it to myself was OK. > This is all I've written so far. > > I�M NO SUPERHERO > > Clark stepped out onto the porch of his parents house and took a deep > breath of > the fresh, cool morning air. It promised to be a wonderful September day. > Hardly a cloud > in sight and the forecast was for bright and sunny, beautiful and warm. He > only wished > he had the time to enjoy it like it should be enjoyed. Maybe a baseball game > or tramp > through the woods. * Oh, well, * he thought, * time to get to work, so I can > then �go� to > work.* He had to be at the Smallville Gazette offices by 830. > He headed for the tractor parked beside the barn. Pa needed it fixed > �pronto�. It > had broken down late yesterday and pa needed it for the harvest. Pa had > mentioned it to > him when he had gotten home from the newspaper office last night. He had > promised to > look at it and see the problem could be fixed by his special talents. Under > cover of night, > he gone to the field, picked it up and moved it next to the barn, so he could > see to it in the > morning. > As he came next to it, he pulled his glasses down his nose and �looked � > into the > problem. * Ah, there�s the problem. The drive shaft had been bent. Probably > by a rock > thrown up by the tractor. Easily fixed. * By habit, he looked around the > area, checking to > see if there was anyone in sight. He didn�t expect there to be any one, as he > considered > his parents farm to be a �safe� area, but the habit had been drilled into him > by his parents > for years. It was simply part of him now. > Seeing no one, he slipped his glasses back in place, carefully placed his > hands on > good positions at the front of the tractor and lifted it over his head. > Balancing it on one > end, he reached over, bent the drive shaft back into position and lowered the > tractor back > to the ground. * Should be fine now. * > Clark turned to head back to the house and stopped dead. He suddenly had > this > chilling feeling that he was being �watched�. He turned and looked towards > the barn. * > OH, NO *. There was a stranger, a man, standing in the barn doorway. Looking > at HIM. > And he had this small smile on his face. All of his pa�s fearful prediction�s > of doom > flooded his mind in an instant and panic began to crawl up his throat from > the pit of his > stomach. > �MOM, DAD,� he shouted and headed for the house. �MOM, DAD, COME > QUICK. MOM, DAD.....HELP.� > > Clark raced through the porch door and into the kitchen. Ma and Pa were > just > getting up from the kitchen table. > �Clark, what�s wr..� > �Mom, Dad, someone... someone saw me. Outside, by the barn. I lifted the > tractor. He was in the barn. He saw me. What are we going to do?� > Martha was deeply shaken for a moment, but then she grabbed ahold of her > imminent panic and stuffed it down deep inside of herself. Clark needed her > to be strong > for him. She grabbed a chair, pulled it out and said �Clark, sit down. Now! > We�ll figure > this out. What happened? Who saw you? Explain it slowly!� > Martha�s strong calm words reached through Clark�s panic. He sat down, > licked > his lips and opened his mouth. > There was a knock on the door. > > budmayes ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:27:56 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: NK Family names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's that, too :-) Although I think the NKers mentioned that Earth was much much nicer than NK. ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ----- Original Message ----- From: Debby To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 5:22 PM Subject: Re: NK Family names > At 11:11 PM 09/12/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >I don't know anything about the Lord Nor thing, but I have a suggestion > >about NK. > >She [Lois] could have meant it was a barren world. > > And, to Lois, a barren world could be any place without a ready supply of > chocolate, a hot tub, and down-filled comforters > > Debby > Debby@swcp.com > fast & fearless > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:31:22 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second the motion! Please, continue the story! Do you want us to beg? ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ----- Original Message ----- From: timothy truitt To: Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Teaser for a new fic > continue the story > merry > > Norman Mayes wrote: > > > Please let me know if this posts ok. My test, sending it to myself was OK. > > This is all I've written so far. > > > > I'M NO SUPERHERO > > > > Clark stepped out onto the porch of his parents house and took a deep > > breath of > > the fresh, cool morning air. It promised to be a wonderful September day. > > Hardly a cloud > > in sight and the forecast was for bright and sunny, beautiful and warm. He > > only wished > > he had the time to enjoy it like it should be enjoyed. Maybe a baseball game > > or tramp > > through the woods. * Oh, well, * he thought, * time to get to work, so I can > > then 'go' to > > work.* He had to be at the Smallville Gazette offices by 830. > > He headed for the tractor parked beside the barn. Pa needed it fixed > > 'pronto'. It > > had broken down late yesterday and pa needed it for the harvest. Pa had > > mentioned it to > > him when he had gotten home from the newspaper office last night. He had > > promised to > > look at it and see the problem could be fixed by his special talents. Under > > cover of night, > > he gone to the field, picked it up and moved it next to the barn, so he could > > see to it in the > > morning. > > As he came next to it, he pulled his glasses down his nose and 'looked ' > > into the > > problem. * Ah, there's the problem. The drive shaft had been bent. Probably > > by a rock > > thrown up by the tractor. Easily fixed. * By habit, he looked around the > > area, checking to > > see if there was anyone in sight. He didn't expect there to be any one, as he > > considered > > his parents farm to be a 'safe' area, but the habit had been drilled into him > > by his parents > > for years. It was simply part of him now. > > Seeing no one, he slipped his glasses back in place, carefully placed his > > hands on > > good positions at the front of the tractor and lifted it over his head. > > Balancing it on one > > end, he reached over, bent the drive shaft back into position and lowered the > > tractor back > > to the ground. * Should be fine now. * > > Clark turned to head back to the house and stopped dead. He suddenly had > > this > > chilling feeling that he was being 'watched'. He turned and looked towards > > the barn. * > > OH, NO *. There was a stranger, a man, standing in the barn doorway. Looking > > at HIM. > > And he had this small smile on his face. All of his pa's fearful prediction's > > of doom > > flooded his mind in an instant and panic began to crawl up his throat from > > the pit of his > > stomach. > > "MOM, DAD," he shouted and headed for the house. "MOM, DAD, COME > > QUICK. MOM, DAD.....HELP." > > > > Clark raced through the porch door and into the kitchen. Ma and Pa were > > just > > getting up from the kitchen table. > > "Clark, what's wr.." > > "Mom, Dad, someone... someone saw me. Outside, by the barn. I lifted the > > tractor. He was in the barn. He saw me. What are we going to do?" > > Martha was deeply shaken for a moment, but then she grabbed ahold of her > > imminent panic and stuffed it down deep inside of herself. Clark needed her > > to be strong > > for him. She grabbed a chair, pulled it out and said "Clark, sit down. Now! > > We'll figure > > this out. What happened? Who saw you? Explain it slowly!" > > Martha's strong calm words reached through Clark's panic. He sat down, > > licked > > his lips and opened his mouth. > > There was a knock on the door. > > > > budmayes > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 02:33:11 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Carlson Subject: Feedback and a S6 Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, This is an all time record of two posts in as many days for this lurker. I too, am guilty of not responding to many of the authors after I read their fanfics. I suppose it stems from the fact that if takes me just as long to write a "Thank you Note" as it does for these talented writers to flesh out a rough draft of their stories. I feel that I need to take notes as I am reading, compose my response carefully, and finally edit my e-mail. Whew! Big deal you say .... well, it is for me. I enjoy fanfic as an escape from real life where working, being a mom, and doing all of the stuff in between is so time consuming. Writing a note is not as easy timewise. But, I certainly enjoy a good read. When I do respond, I typically write directly to the author. This time I thought I'd share with the crew here. So, I'm going to review Sheila's S6 episodes as I had planned to do from the start. I loved how the trilogy opened with Lois searching with Laura for baby toys while carrying on a conversation with Clark. Lois was talking about her plan for "desert", visiting with Laura, and puzzling over the case of the shooting victims that they were researching. <> Lois' main concern was trying to figure out how fair it was coping with a full time job, being a new mother, and still have to cover for Clark when he was being "super". She felt that perhaps being single parent might be easier when Clark couldn't be depended upon for his part of Laura's care. She could schedule a predictable life without his tentative help. Clark was crushed to hear this news. Lois understood her resentment -- but it just wasn't fair. <> Thus, the stage is set for Sheila Harper's 3 episode nail biter: "Turn Around", "Walk in My Shoes", and "Mirror, Mirror". The Zelig stone used at the end of S4 is back and now is used in a camera type of gadget to switch the souls of the unfortunate ones caught in the flash. Lex seems to be behind it all -- but someone is messing around with his perfect plans to reach his goal of financial dominance. Sheila weaves a complex plot that challenges Lois and Clark to their very being and identification of themselves. The definition of masculine and feminine are redone as L&C try to figure out how to behave like the other without being discovered. Hair styles, clothes, posture, even mannerisms are all challenged. Sheila does an excellent job -- thinking of every detail to put the reader into the dilemma facing our heroes. Lois becomes "super" and Clark become a "mom". Wow, what a wonderful depiction. It was rather confusing for me to figure out who was talking. Was it Lois or Clark as one or the other?? But, Sheila was consistent with her characters. The reader has to adjust to the body switch. I especially liked how L&C began to appreciate one another's skills at being who they really were. <> < he thought. >> Sheila lead the readers with Lois and Clark on a desperate search for the means to recover their identities. They experience great despair as they spend more and more time in each other's "shoes". It was interesting how Sheila was able to bring out all of their familiar gestures acted out by the opposite players -- very clever. I could gush on and on about Sharper's talent for detail. But, you have got to read this epic and other episodes yourselves in order to fully appreciate the efforts that our S6 authors have gone through. Not only do they follow a scope and sequence throughout the season, they also write some of the best darned L&C fanfic that you will ever read. Thanks! Anne (ACdrift@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:01:14 +0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Celia Carvalho Subject: Just Say I Love You - My Comments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TITLE: Just Say...I Love You PART: 1/1 AUTHOR: Nan Smith Rating: PG-13 Hi there, Nan! I wanted to write to you privately, but I don=92t have y= our email address, so... sorry, guys, for cluttering your mail boxes! I=92ve just read your little story and I really enjoyed it! I have to s= ay that Just Say Noah episode has one of my favourite scenes ever of the show. = The scene being the one where L&C are sleeping in the cabin and Clark wakes up, s= tartled with Lois=92s scream and falls on top of her...! :) Everytime I see tha= t, no matter how many times I do, I always laugh! And when they made up while= looking for the book at Smiley=92s office, I=92ve always wished there were more= than just a few kisses and hugs... don=92t we all just wish that in so many episode= s anyway? So, I can only say that I loved the ending you provided. And, for a cha= nge, Jimmy only got there *after* the big event took place...! :) I believe this was the first story I read by you. Short but spicy. Way = to go, Nan! Celia. = ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:17:27 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy wrote: >Well, speaking of "category problems" or whatever we were speaking >about, I was really surprised to find "Love as a Blonde" in the "next >generation" category when it's ... not about the next generation. Well, Sandy, I don't know about anyone else or whether it's just a personal rather than a generally held theory, but I've never really thought of Next Gen LNC fic as being solely about kids. I usually group it in my head to mean any fic which deals with Clark and Lois' future, after FH. Years ahead, children or without etc. etc. I guess it's one of those misnomer titles which covers more than just what it barely states, simply because there's no real title for Clark and Lois' future fic which *don't* concentrate on the children. As I say, this is only how I personally view them. When I had my fanfic index arranged into sections I put a lot of diverse fic into my Next Gen category. Including LAAB and several others which were more, as you say, about Clark and Lois some years ahead, rather than strictly speaking, purely Next Gen. Maybe if others think the same way though, it could explain why LAAB is in the category it is. LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:35:09 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Feedback, and esp. Carol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi everyone, I'm very late jumping in on the S6 feedback thread, but I got booted off the list late last week thanks to a glitch on the server here which was bouncing messages. I caught up on most of the discussion over on the Archive, and I have something to say about S6. But first I wanted to reply specifically to Carol Malo's comment about her S6 ep, 'The Last Time I Saw Elvis.' Can I say, first, that there was *nothing* wrong with Carol's ep as far as I was concerned?!! It was terrific, really well worked through, fantastic characterisation, a great low-key story (and I mean that in a *positive* way; not all episodes can contain explosive events and it's nice to see L&C enjoying a relatively routine life once in a while!) which took a secondary character and made her the focus. I wish I could write with the attention to plot, detail and characterisation that Carol does. Perhaps it was the *focus* of the story which meant there wasn't much feedback? The principal character was Martha - as far as I'm concerned a wonderful character deserving of attention. However, I have seen some people comment that they want stories about Lois and Clark - apparently they're not so keen on the minor characters getting attention. I don't know, this is just a hunch. But *I* really liked the ep (and said so!). I am a great admirer of Carol's writing in any case; the Recognition series was breathtaking (especially the revelation in Part 1) and the more recent Strange Visitor was compelling as well as very cleverly worked. I've been wondering why we haven't seen more from her lately, and I'm very sad to hear the explanation. IMHO (and I'm sure in many other people's opinions too) you are one of our great writers. It's nice to be back :D Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:50:38 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: OT: Withdrawal Symptoms by Proxy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:54:01 EDT The Zoomway wrote: > > The problem is, this list is set up through a request/approval system. People > apparently can't join directly. So, I saw her request and approved it, but I > didn't get on line till two this afternoon Hopefully she's all set now. Hi Zoom, Yes, I'm back, and *thank you*!! I would never have believed how much I'd miss this list and everyone on it! Even though the work is piled up on my desk, it seems I can't get by without my 'fix' ;) Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:42:15 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: <000401befe30$50d0d060$ab01140a@cmn.net.cmn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:38:27 -0600 Sheila Harper wrote: > Well, heck, Anne, I hate it, of course :) But, then, I write those really > long, intricately plotted stories that can have the "n" taken out and still > have enough story to stand on their own. [snip] And those kind, I have to confess, are by far my favourite type of nfics... ;) Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:58:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LabRat wrote: > > Sandy wrote: > > >Well, speaking of "category problems" or whatever we were speaking > >about, I was really surprised to find "Love as a Blonde" in the "next > >generation" category when it's ... not about the next generation. > > Well, Sandy, I don't know about anyone else or whether it's just a personal > rather than a generally held theory, but I've never really thought of Next > Gen LNC fic as being solely about kids. I usually group it in my head to > mean any fic which deals with Clark and Lois' future, after FH. Years ahead, > children or without etc. etc. I guess it's one of those misnomer titles > which covers more than just what it barely states, simply because there's no > real title for Clark and Lois' future fic which *don't* concentrate on the > children. > > As I say, this is only how I personally view them. When I had my fanfic > index arranged into sections I put a lot of diverse fic into my Next Gen > category. Including LAAB and several others which were more, as you say, > about Clark and Lois some years ahead, rather than strictly speaking, purely > Next Gen. > > Maybe if others think the same way though, it could explain why LAAB is in > the category it is. Well ... maybe you're right. I personally view any future fic about Lois and Clark to be just stories about Lois and Clark, either comedy, drama, etc. It doesn't matter how far in the future it is because it's literally not about the next generation. In contrast, "next generation" fic is solely that -- about the next generation of characters beyond L&C, i.e., their children and *their* contemporaries. So, you can see why I still see "Blonde" as being ill-placed in that one regard. In my opinion, it's too bad because there might have been another deserving story that could've filled that spot -- not necessarily my own. Besides that, "Love as a Blonde" is in two other categories. It's got its recognition already and that's all that's important to me. Sandy > > LabRat :) > Doc. Klein's LabRat > labrat@ukf.net > > "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of > General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines > during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. > > "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert > Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:14:51 +1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Best Men Video Comments: To: LoisandClarkNAOS@onelist.com, lcnfanfic@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ooh, this crossposting thing could get addictive! I popped into the video library next door to my work today to ask about a release date of a different video. While I was asking about that one, I found myself also asking about a release date for Best Men in Australia (I hadn't planned on asking. The words just seemed to tumble from my mouth!) The guy looked it up on his list. (He seemed to have heard of it, at least!) He said he thinks it'll be on video here (that means in PAL, not NTSC format) in late October or early November! Yay! Jen jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (7) and Megan (4) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:01:42 +0100 Reply-To: Lisa Glasson Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lisa Glasson Subject: Re: It's Royal Show Time Again! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Stosser To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: 13 September 1999 09:41 Subject: It's Royal Show Time Again! >Apologies for the crossposting, but I wanted to try to make sure I got >EVERYONE this time around! > >The Victorian Royal Agricultural Show is happening again, starting next >Monday. Why they sell things like I'm about to advertise here, I have NO >idea, however, here goes anyway: > >For the last two years, I have supplied to needy FoLCs around the world >L&C Showbags. These consist of the following items: > >1. Black nylon satchel with 2 velcro tab closures, short handle and long >webbing shoulder strap, with red nylon lining and divider inside. L&C Logo >appears on the front of the bag >2. Inside the bag you will find an A4 (similar size to 8 1/2" x 11") 2-hole >binder with a sexy photo of Dean (from the Tattoo series, as I recall) on >the front and a photo of L&C plus the logo on the back (I think it's the >photo is a 1st season one of Lois in a spotted suit opening Clark's suit to >reveal the S-shield) >3. Two spiral bound notepads, one about half the size of A4, the other half >that size again, each with photos either of Dean or of Dean and Teri on the >front cover, probably from the tattoo series again. > >(I have some pretty bad scans of the satchel and the notepads if you really >want to see them. Email me for copies of the jpgs.) > >The showbags cost me $5 if I go to the Show to buy them. Last year, I >contacted the distributors directly, and because I had orders for 75 >showbags, they delivered them to my door, in boxes. > >I need to take orders ASAP for these bags if you want one. I would expect >that you would pay me in CASH ($US) before I can send the bag to you, and >that the amount you pay me would cover the cost of converting the money to >Australian Dollars ($6), the cost of the bag ($5), the cost of the >packaging ($1.20-$1.50), the cost of the postage itself (see below) and if >you wish it, the cost of any insurance on the bag. Alternatively, if you >wish to avoid part of the cost (that being the conversion cost to Aust. $) >you can pay me by getting a gift voucher for me from Amazon.com. > >The current conversion rate is $1(AUD) = $0.655(USD). The local travel >agent converts $US for me at the cost of $6 per transaction (yes, prices >have increased since last year). I do not expect to make any profit on >these sales, so I must charge for conversion on each purchase. Last year >(I suspect that I've pretty much sold bags to most FoLCS who would be >interested so I expect I'll have fewer orders this year than last year.) > >The postage cost varies depending not only on how many bags you order, but >also on whether you choose to have your bag sent to you by airmail (takes >7-10 days to reach the US), economy air (takes 2-3 weeks) or surface mail >(takes 2-3 months). To give you an idea, 1 bag sent to the US last year >cost $15.25 for airmail, $11.50 for economy air and $10 for surface mail. >So the total cost for a single showbag to be sent to the US by each of >these three options was: $16.00, $14.00, or $13.00. If you place an order >and are from a different country, email me, and I'll advise you on the cost >to your country. > >Please email me privately at jenerator@ozemail.com.au for more info or to >place your orders. I will be closing orders THIS COMING SUNDAY my time (= >Saturday in the US) because the Show starts on Monday! > >Jen > > >jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn >(Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 >Photos of David (7) and Megan (4) on the Stosser Family HomePage: >http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! >Hi i am from the United Kingdom and am intrested in one of the showbags could you please tell me the price of the bags and postage in pounds please. thankyou from Lisa. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:44:36 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Editing, feedback and where to post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Again jumping in late... Posts from a couple of people, including Beverley and Sandy, made me consider things like why I post stories where, and what I expect from feedback, and so on. When I post stories here, I usually consider them almost finished, in that I am happy with them and consider them ready to be 'seen.' But I haven't sent them to the Archive at that stage, which means that if anyone spots a plot hole or other glitch (thanks, Christy ) I can correct it before the story goes to the Archive. Therefore I welcome constructive feedback at that point, and even mild (but not comprehensive) editing, privately. (Though I recognise that not everyone has the same purpose in posting to this list). Serious editing (call it story editing or beta editing or whatever) is something I think works best one to one. It's not possible to post a story, or segment of a story, to this entire list and say 'tell me what's wrong with this, pull it apart please.' Apart from the sheer numbers on the list, you (the author) have no way of knowing whether the people who reply have the same 'vision' as you do as to where the story is going. That kind of editing is best done in discussion with one person or small group of people you know, and who understand your writing. I know many writers on this list have a small group of editors with whom they've worked for a while and who see every draft of their stories, in small or large segments. That kind of editing can't be done in a larger group setting, and I'm not even sure whether the 'message board' suggestion would work. An editor has to be in tune with the writer; I know I can story-edit work for some writers but would find it much harder for others since the type of plot or whatever might not be not my forte. The first time I wanted *story* editing I didn't know who to ask, and so I advertised on this list, with some specific requirements. I ended up with two wonderful editors (thanks again, Nancy and Sheila) who gave me just the help and encouragement I needed on a story which was already finished but on which I needed a second or even third opinion before letting it loose. Since then, I don't use editors on every story, but when I'm wondering whether a story is working I have a small group of good friends I can send segments to and I know they will give good advice. I'd certainly suggest to anyone looking for an editor with whom they can have an ongoing relationship that they consider simply *asking* someone they think would suit them, or otherwise posting to the list to ask for volunteers. The message boards do have a great dynamic, partly due to the intimate feel of the place: not everyone who reads them posts replies. But the replies which are posted are still there when I come back to the board again, which is nice ;) It's also allowed some of us a different kind of medium in which to post fic: the experience of posting in instalments has been interesting for those of us who have tried it. With 'Penfriend,' which I posted in instalments on Zoom's board, I knew where I was going with it (so didn't need an *editor*), but I wanted to know whether FOLCs would find it interesting (if not, I wouldn't have finished it). So the MB was a 'test audience.' Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:18:26 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Combo Post -- Number One Fans and S6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/12/99 1:25:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Aerm1@AOL.COM writes: << Is it only me, or does anyone else think that Lois and Clark might still be on the air if some of the fanfiction writers had been hired by the show at the start of the fourth season? Ann >> I agree. But only if they fired almost everyone from season 3 and the wedding arc. Sorry Zoom and anyone else. I love parts of those episodes, but others were just horrible. There's an old saying concerning children but I think it's relevant here: If you tell a child he or she will grow up to be a good, responsible, loving adult, he will but if you tell a child he or she is no good and will probably end up a criminal or worse, you can bet your bottom dollar that's exactly what you're going to wind up with. I think the L&C producers were so convinced that the wedding would kill the show, they made it happen. Then they sat back and said we told you so. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:22:42 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/12/99 12:39:38 AM !!!First Boot!!!, smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes: << All I can say is there was a great hullabaloo about feedback on this list sometime back -- as you may recall -- and that might have played a role in dampening feedback here. It played a role in dampening mine. >> Yes. I remember that and it was a bit daunting. I got the impression negative feedback was discouraged. Not that I ever have any, but I also got the impression positive feedback of the 'me too' type was the reason for the list. PS Sheila Au Contrair (Sp probably awful) but personally I read Shot in the dark only once (Sheepish BG) but have read others of your stories including your season 6 and season 5 over and over again and as I tell Debby Stark, a good story, to be truly appreciated should be read many times. You improve all the time. <> Me too as I did explain when I wrote my comments on S6E1 which I might add I posted to this list serve. (BG) I am glad you wrote, however, because I have been remiss on too many ocassions: Case in point Sounds of War. It garnered much negative criticism, but the final scene was beautifully done and I never posted that. I will try to do better. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 09:24:58 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: A FoLC Wedding!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/10/99 7:54:43 PM !!!First Boot!!!, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes: << g! >> Thank you Kathy. I went and had a great time. Thank you to Peace for inviting us to attend and making it feasable. And to Ann for posting pictures and the log. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:12:43 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > At 6:52 PM -0700 9/13/99, Irene D. wrote: > >Trust me when I say that you won't see this type of problem next year. > >(Other problems, sure, but not *this* type!) Then Kathy wrote: > LOL, Irene .. I know the feeling. And I'm sure Erin and I will be going > through the same thing come spring. :) Not me, Kathy! I've made all my mistakes last year...Kerths 2000 will be perfect! Flawless! Without a dissatisfied fan/writer!! And if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.... Erin (who, contrary to what many of you think, has *not* dropped off the face of the Earth! It's just that dealing with morning sickness *and* a nasty cold has left me wishing I had ) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:30:33 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Carlson Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow Erin! << Erin (who, contrary to what many of you think, has *not* dropped off the face of the Earth! It's just that dealing with morning sickness *and* a nasty cold has left me wishing I had ) >> Congratulations! I suppose this means that will not be playing USTA Tennis next season?? I hope you get over your cold soon. Anne (the San Jose, tennis playing, Piedmont Hills graduate, and horseback riding one!) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:35:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 With the exception of Lois and Clark sleeping with each other before marriage, I found this story to be singularly fascinating....BUT (you know you are in trouble when the BUT comes in) BUT, I do have a problem with the Curse thing (Not that I believe in curses, past lives or time travel. It is the principle of the matter. If a canon is accepted one should follow it.). I realize that each author is entitled to their own version of Temporal Mechanics Theory (TMT), but feel that I need to put in my two cents. In most discussions of 'reality splits' the two universes formed do diverge at the point of the split, but they also split into the past as well. Complete duplication happens, so instead of one Curse between the two there would be two Curses=85. I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY!! If we take your TMT to it=92s logical conclusion then by changing something in the distant past you would be inflicting a temporal revision across countless timelines and creating whole new ones. Think of it=85 I just did and came up with bubkiss (?Spelling?). It would just be yet another split that would have already happened :-(. Well the endorphins where running for a while anyway. Back to what I was going to say before I epiphanized. This would mean that your Lois and Clark would have to still deal with the Curse. Possible solution/reason that it didn=92t affect your Lois and Clark. (Reminder, I do not believe in past lives. This is all hypothetical) The curse only works on those that are morally pure with each other. It makes sense that the curse would punish good morals. Since your Lois and Clark did not wait until marriage then they lost a level of moral purity. This would cause them to make less morally pure decisions later in this life and the next. If they continued doing that they would end up being as evil as Tempos=85I mean Tempus. What do y=92all think? James ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:46:45 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Let me add my congratulations too, Erin! Hope everything goes really well. And when are you due? Irene --- Anne Carlson wrote: > Wow Erin! > > > << Erin (who, contrary to what many of you think, > has *not* dropped off the > face of the Earth! It's just that dealing > with morning sickness *and* > a nasty cold has left me wishing I had ) >> > > Congratulations! I suppose this means that will not > be playing USTA Tennis > next season?? I hope you get over your cold soon. > > Anne (the San Jose, tennis playing, Piedmont Hills > graduate, and horseback > riding one!) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:44:02 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:35:56 -0500 James Tull =20 wrote: > The curse only works on those that are morally pure with each other. It > makes sense that the curse would punish good morals. Since your Lois and > Clark did not wait until marriage then they lost a level of moral purity. > This would cause them to make less morally pure decisions later in this > life and the next. If they continued doing that they would end up being = as > evil as Tempos=85I mean Tempus. >=20 > What do y=92all think? Umm... it kind of depends whether we accept that L&C sleeping=20 together before they married is 'morally impure,' doesn't it? While=20 I accept that some people may take that viewpoint, equally there are=20 many of us who do not. In any case, in Pam's story as in canon, they=20 did get married. In any case, I don't think either Lois or Clark is 'morally pure,' if=20 you want to be that rigid about it. What about Clark lying to Lois=20 and to his colleagues about where he went when he disappeared to be=20 Superman? What about Clark robbing the jewellery shop in ATAI?=20 Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:46:41 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: <19990914174645.14083.rocketmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Irene wrote: > Let me add my congratulations too, Erin! > > Hope everything goes really well. And when are you due? Thank you! And thanks to everyone else who've sent really sweet congratulations my way. :) I'll be due mid April...hopefully NOT at Kerth time. Any warnings or curses you're going to be sending my way, Pam?? Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:54:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Peace's Wedding In-Reply-To: <37DCA681.75C4458A@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The URL is http://welcome.to/kingston.hope.wedding > >Nan > >No Name Available wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I attended the wedding on Saturday when i was IRC. Can someone PLEASE tell >> me where to find these mystery pics of the wedding? And please include an >> URL if you could. >> >> Thanks. >> Alexis ;-.) Thanks for the URL and hearty Congrats to the happy couple:) Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:26:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, here's a response :-) >>BUT, I do have a problem with the Curse thing (Not that I believe in curses, past lives or time travel. It is the principle of the matter. If a canon is accepted one should follow it.). I realize that each author is entitled to their own version of Temporal Mechanics Theory (TMT), but feel that I need to put in my two cents. In most discussions of 'reality splits' the two universes formed do diverge at the point of the split, but they also split into the past as well. Complete duplication happens, so instead of one Curse between the two there would be two Curses..<< Not necessarily. If the world lines (or universes) are breaking off all the time, then most of the world line would be exactly the same--up to the point of the break-off. >>I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY!! If we take your TMT to it's logical conclusion then by changing something in the distant past you would be inflicting a temporal revision across countless timelines and creating whole new ones. Think of it.<< Whole new timelines would be in the process of being created *all the time*. Constantly. Not just at key points. Just most of these timelines would be virtually indistinguishable from the 'parent' timeline. >>I just did and came up with bubkiss (?Spelling?). It would just be yet another split that would have already happened :-(. Well the endorphins where running for a while anyway. Back to what I was going to say before I epiphanized. This would mean that your Lois and Clark would have to still deal with the Curse.<< Not if the break was a recent one. They would share history up to a certain point (like in the story). >>Possible solution/reason that it didn't affect your Lois and Clark. (Reminder, I do not believe in past lives. This is all hypothetical) The curse only works on those that are morally pure with each other. It makes sense that the curse would punish good morals. Since your Lois and Clark did not wait until marriage then they lost a level of moral purity. This would cause them to make less morally pure decisions later in this life and the next. If they continued doing that they would end up being as evil as Tempos.I mean Tempus.<< I don't think that the, uh, "moral purity" thing would affect a 'past life'. It would affect only future lives, but considering how the two characters are supposed to be, I think it would be a long time before they were anywhere as evil as Tempus/Tempos. Also, I'm not so sure one incident would really affect their souls that strongly and pass on to their next lives. Ok. Go ahead and pick my response to pieces now. I'm not really sure how this measures up to accepted theory of world lines and reincarnation. Tara ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:32:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been mostly sitting on the sidelines on the feedback discussion, but I've recently run into a problem which might explain why some people *don't* send feedback. I started sending feedback to some of the authors of stories I liked. Most of them got bounced back to me and were marked as undeliverable. Since I used the e-mail addresses from the stories, themselves, I was rather surprised. Some authors changed their addies after their story was posted to the archive. I know that a lot of the time, if I get a message bounced back to me, I get kind of irritated and don't want to try to send the message again. Maybe if something could be done to keep these e-mail addresses up to date, fanfic authors would get more feedback? Just a thought. Tara ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlotte Fisler To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 6:22 AM Subject: Re: S5/S6 Feedback > In a message dated 9/12/99 12:39:38 AM !!!First Boot!!!, smcdermin@EROLS.COM > writes: > > << All I can say is there was a > great hullabaloo about feedback on this list sometime back -- as you may > recall -- and that might have played a role in dampening feedback here. > It played a role in dampening mine. >> > > Yes. I remember that and it was a bit daunting. I got the impression > negative feedback was discouraged. Not that I ever have any, but I also got > the impression positive feedback of the 'me too' type was the reason for the > list. > > PS Sheila Au Contrair (Sp probably awful) but personally I read Shot in the > dark only once (Sheepish BG) but have read others of your stories including > your season 6 and season 5 over and over again and as I tell Debby Stark, a > good story, to be truly appreciated should be read many times. You improve > all the time. > > > <> > > Me too as I did explain when I wrote my comments on S6E1 which I might add I > posted to this list serve. (BG) > > I am glad you wrote, however, because I have been remiss on too many > ocassions: Case in point Sounds of War. It garnered much negative criticism, > but the final scene was beautifully done and I never posted that. > > I will try to do better. > > Charlotte > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:07:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: Erin, was NKerth Voting Dilemma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations, Erin! > I'll be due mid April...hopefully NOT at Kerth > time. Any warnings or curses you're going to be sending my way, Pam?? > I should have warned you back at the beginning of July, but it's too late now Actually, I've found it a great time of year to be pregnant... It's not stinking hot out (at least if you're north of the equator, she added, thinking of all the Aussie FOLCs ), and you're pleasantly rounded for all the relatives to admire at Christmas. Personally, I think we ought to have Kerth babies every year... Kathy, are you up for 2001? -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:17:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Clarissa Kent Organization: @Home Network Member Subject: Re: Where can I read..... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey everyone. Nan I wanted to know where I can find your story "Just Say..I Love you. Celia Carvalho wrote: > > TITLE: Just Say...I Love You > PART: 1/1 > AUTHOR: Nan Smith > Rating: PG-13 > > Hi there, Nan! I wanted to write to you privately, but I don�t have your email > address, so... sorry, guys, for cluttering your mail boxes! > > I�ve just read your little story and I really enjoyed it! I have to say that > Just Say Noah episode has one of my favourite scenes ever of the show. The scene > being the one where L&C are sleeping in the cabin and Clark wakes up, startled > with Lois�s scream and falls on top of her...! :) Everytime I see that, no > matter how many times I do, I always laugh! And when they made up while looking > for the book at Smiley�s office, I�ve always wished there were more than just a > few kisses and hugs... don�t we all just wish that in so many episodes anyway? > So, I can only say that I loved the ending you provided. And, for a change, > Jimmy only got there *after* the big event took place...! :) > > I believe this was the first story I read by you. Short but spicy. Way to go, > Nan! > > Celia. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:21:49 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: Re: Editing, feedback and where to post MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wendy wrote: > Again jumping in late... > And returning late to an issue I thought I'd lost interest in... I still can't understand the difference between sending stories, or parts of stories, here or to Zoom's message boards. I believe the intimacy of the message boards is an illusion, I suspect that the people on this list would enjoy serialisations just as much as anyone on the message boards (witness the reaction to Debby's My Journal), and this list strikes me as a pretty effective test audience. I'm also going to come clean here and say that I was a bit miffed when I first drifted over to the message boards to discover reams and reams of new fanfic had been posted there and not to the list. Somehow I felt abandoned - I was playing in one room and everyone had left to play in a different room. Stupid, I know. However, before you all yell at me, I've decided it doesn't matter where stories are posted, ***as long as they all end up on the archive***. I can put up with missing out the first time a story or serialisation is aired, as long as I know that ultimately I can collect it from the archive. I've also revised my opinion on the mailing list v. message board debate. Before I had a computer at home, my principles prevented me from joining the mailing list at work, and so I would have welcomed the message boards as a forum in which I could actually contribute to the discussion instead of merely reading other people's contributions. These days, the situation has reversed, so that I can receive the mailing list emails at home, but have less time at work to surf. I try to keep my surfing at home to a minimum because of the cost implication - although, interestingly, Labrat implied that downloading emails actually cost her more than surfing. She must be one popular rodent! (Hi, Labbie :)). Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that we need different forums to suit differing tastes and personal situations. Even the glorious archive isn't ideal for everyone, as some people don't have browser access to the web. Enough waffle. If you don't take anything else on board from this ramble, please at least remember this: keep sending your stories to the archive. Thanks for listening, Yvonne (yconnell@ukf.net) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:49:09 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Erin, was NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: <37DE9CED.1BB411E9@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pam wrote: > Personally, I think we ought to have Kerth babies every year... Kathy, > are you up for 2001? LOL! /me chants enthusiastically, "Kath-y! Kath-y! Kath-y!" And for all of those of you who have any thoughts of volunteering to help out with Kerths 2000, keep this in mind: 2 out of 3 Kerth Coordinators have gotten pregnant. Not good odds for those of you who are not wanting to be "in the motherly way". Maybe take up horseshoes instead of Kerth volunteering, instead. ;) Erin :) __________________ erink@ida.net Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek ***** "It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:00:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) Wendy Richards wrote: >In any case, I don't think either Lois or Clark is 'morally pure,' if >you want to be that rigid about it. What about Clark lying to Lois >and to his colleagues about where he went when he disappeared to be >Superman? What about Clark robbing the jewellery shop in ATAI? I never said that they were perfectly pure. Remember it bothers Clark quite a bit to have to lie. And it really did bother him to have to lie to Lois. As long as it bothers him it means that he is warring with moral issues in his heart. Tara wrote: >I don't think that the, uh, "moral purity" thing would affect a 'past >life'. It would affect only future lives, but considering how the two >characters are supposed to be, I think it would be a long time before they >were anywhere as evil as Tempus/Tempos. I didn't mean that it would affect their 'past lives,' only their future ones...sorry. In India it is believed that each action performed effects the 'Karma' of an individual. When that individual dies and goes on to the next life their Karma from the previous life determines what their next life will be. It is sort of a refining theology. Each life is to be an improvement over the last. At least that is what they believe. It is not what I believe. We could get into a really deep discussion over this but that would not be within the scope of this list. I would be happy to discuss this in private. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:15:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James Tull Subject: Re: NK Family names I believe that Lord Nor's family name is Nor. It's possible that Nor really hated his first name and so everyone knew better than to mention it. James ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:45:28 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: OUATIM: Lois and Clark to Perry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [note from Arbitrator: I am *not* playing all the parts, despite what this looks like! I'm posting this on Jenni's behalf] Hi Chief, I guess you know how busy the past few days have been. Clark and I have been visiting hospitals and things. We met Superman there and he told us that he'd been back to the ruins of the Planet and that he hasn't found any clues. So no help there so far. We also talked to Henderson and until phorensics come up with their report their pretty much in the dark. We'll keep after him about the Bomb Squad report. I tried to contact Bobby Bigmouth but he seems to have disappeared. No-one's heard from him over the last couple of days which is pretty strange since he usually shows up to eat. Hey, Chief, maybe the trousers belonged to Bobby and that's all that's left of him. (Okay, Okay, Clark that wasn't funny.) Sorry, Perry, but that's all we've got at the moment and that's.... zilch. But we'll keep trying. We're going to find out who did this to us. Lane and Kent aren't about to give up on this. Hang in there Chief and The Planet will be back. Lois and Clark ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:34:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 3:00 PM -0500 9/14/99, James Tull wrote: >Wendy Richards wrote: > >>In any case, I don't think either Lois or Clark is 'morally pure,' if >>you want to be that rigid about it. What about Clark lying to Lois >>and to his colleagues about where he went when he disappeared to be >>Superman? What about Clark robbing the jewellery shop in ATAI? > >I never said that they were perfectly pure. Remember it bothers Clark >quite a bit to have to lie. And it really did bother him to have to lie to >Lois. As long as it bothers him it means that he is warring with moral >issues in his heart. OK, what about him breaking and entering numerous times for a story? Or stealing Miranda's perfume bottle in PML? Eavesdropping via superhearing ... I didn't see guilt for any of that. In fact, I think he kind of got off on it once he knew Lois loved it so much. ;) Kathy, tireless defender *against* Saint Clark ;) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:46:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Feedback In-Reply-To: <19990914183046.3877.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:32 AM -0700 9/14/99, StarKitty wrote: >Maybe if something could >be done to keep these e-mail addresses up to date, fanfic authors would get >more feedback? Just >a thought. Got any suggestions on just *how* to do that? I'd love to hear them! :) Any author who wishes to change their email address on the Archive is welcome and *encouraged* to write us and let us know. We do it for them; but someone needs to *tell* us it's changed. As much as I wish we were, we're not pyschic. I have contacted several authors personally when I've noticed they've changed their email address and asked if they wanted me to update it on the Archive. I've had some of my GEs do the same thing, alert me to a change. But with nearly 1100 stories on the Archive, we can't chase authors. LOL, that would be a full time job ... any volunteers? Also, I can almost guarantee you that if you write feedback within a few weeks or even months of when a story is submitted, the email address will be good. It's when a story is years old (remember, the Archive has stories >from 1994 on) that we run into problems. While many fanfic writers are still around in FoLCdom from the mid 90's, many more have moved on completely. Still, I don't want to discourage people from writing to "old" fanfic writers -- if LabRat hadn't written Elaine Gust about her "By The Light of the Moon" series, we'd never have this wonderful trilogy on the Archive. Elaine was not only thrilled that someone remembered her 1995 story, but sent along two sequels for us, as well. :) Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive <----- please note new URL! :) kathyb@springnet1.com OR kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:01:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Due dates, Kerths ... and LAFF! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:49 PM -0600 9/14/99, Erin Klingler wrote: >Pam wrote: >> Personally, I think we ought to have Kerth babies every year... Kathy, >> are you up for 2001? > >LOL! /me chants enthusiastically, "Kath-y! Kath-y! Kath-y!" /me hides. LOL, I can see it now ... "sorry, honey, I know we said we'd start trying this winter but now we have to wait again ... no, no, the doctor said everything is fine, but I can't be due until spring 2001." ;) > I'll be due mid April...hopefully NOT at Kerth time. Oh, gad, I forgot about Kerths in relation to that. I guess we *really* will have to get going in January/February this year, Erin, so we can ensure a March Kerths ceremony! :) But Erin's due date is just right ... she'll have just enough recovery time to pack up her husband and all four kids and head to LA in August for LAFF 2000. And considering that when I told Jim I was going to LA, he suggested maybe he and Amy come along ... I think we'll have quite a party. ;) >And for all of those of you who have any thoughts of volunteering to help >out with Kerths 2000, keep this in mind: 2 out of 3 Kerth Coordinators have >gotten pregnant. Kathy (the 1 out of 3. ;)) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:05:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope. I was hoping someone else would have a bright idea for solving the problem. Oh, well. I guess I'll just have post feedback to the authors I can't find current e-mail addresses to here, instead of sending it to them. :-) ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Brown To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Feedback > At 11:32 AM -0700 9/14/99, StarKitty wrote: > >Maybe if something could > >be done to keep these e-mail addresses up to date, fanfic authors would get > >more feedback? Just > >a thought. > > > Got any suggestions on just *how* to do that? I'd love to hear them! :) > > Any author who wishes to change their email address on the Archive is > welcome and *encouraged* to write us and let us know. We do it for them; > but someone needs to *tell* us it's changed. As much as I wish we were, > we're not pyschic. > > I have contacted several authors personally when I've noticed they've > changed their email address and asked if they wanted me to update it on the > Archive. I've had some of my GEs do the same thing, alert me to a change. > But with nearly 1100 stories on the Archive, we can't chase authors. LOL, > that would be a full time job ... any volunteers? > > Also, I can almost guarantee you that if you write feedback within a few > weeks or even months of when a story is submitted, the email address will > be good. It's when a story is years old (remember, the Archive has stories > from 1994 on) that we run into problems. While many fanfic writers are > still around in FoLCdom from the mid 90's, many more have moved on > completely. > > Still, I don't want to discourage people from writing to "old" fanfic > writers -- if LabRat hadn't written Elaine Gust about her "By The Light of > the Moon" series, we'd never have this wonderful trilogy on the Archive. > Elaine was not only thrilled that someone remembered her 1995 story, but > sent along two sequels for us, as well. :) > > Kathy > > _________________________________ > Kathy Brown > Editor-In-Chief > Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive > <----- please note new URL! :) > kathyb@springnet1.com OR kathyb@lcfanfic.com > KathyB on IRC > _________________________________ > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:09:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: StarKitty Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Kathy, tireless defender *against* Saint Clark ;) Clark as a saint *would* be pretty boring, wouldn't it. > ----------------------- "Whoever said the human race was logical?" Gillian Taylor, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:25:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: The S3 arc and killing the show (was Re: Combo Post) In-Reply-To: <8408644f.250fa522@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:18 AM -0400 9/14/99, Charlotte Fisler wrote: >I think the L&C producers were so convinced that the wedding would kill the >show, they made it happen. Then they sat back and said we told you so. If you replace "producers" in your sentence above with "network", I'd say you were right on. But I disagree the producers (ERL/BB, Singer) were trying to kill the show; they were as angry as we were with ABC's and Disney's behavior. >I agree. But only if they fired almost everyone from season 3 and the >wedding arc. Sorry Zoom and anyone else. I love parts of those episodes, >but others were just horrible. Are you talking about the non-wedding arc specifically when you say they were horrible? Or all of season 3? I don't think you'll get much argument >from Zoom or anyone else here that the non-wedding arc was a mistake, but the rest of season 3? Oh yeah. Incidentally, you do know that it was ABC that insisted that L&C not be married in that arc, right? That ERL/BB and the rest of the crew had originally planned for a wedding arc with an ending that would probably have us all singing their praises? That the reason the wedding in INPY seemed like Lois and Clark was because it *was* Lois and Clark, not a clone? Remember how Dr. Klein and everyone else hit by the dart was "fuzzy" after they woke up, not remembering anything? Lois was supposed to have the same problem, and thus would believe Lex that she had been replaced by a clone before the wedding. At the end of the arc (and of Feb sweeps), they were supposed to realize they'd been married all along (she was replaced *after* the wedding) and have a very happy ending. Once the Lex arc extended into an amnesia arc, however, the producers/writers once again scrambled and came up with a good solution ... instead of falling for Deter, Lois was supposed to fall for *Superman*. Instead of Clark standing heartbroken after being told Lois loved Deter, we probably would have gotten a humorous "here we go again" roll of the eyes. And even better ... it was scripted that Lois would go to Superman in the park in the final episode of the arc and tell him that, although she had feelings for him, she was hopelessly in love with Clark. We were then to get our third and final revelation -- Superman telling Lois that he was Clark. *Any* of these options -- many of which were filmed then destroyed -- would have made a majority of fans happy and possibly prevented the ratings slide. But once again, ABC laid down the law and forbid them from marrying L&C. It was ABC who was sure marriage would destroy the show, not the producers. Kathy (who won't even get into the whole "Disney wanted L&C timeslot so ordered ABC to stop promoting the show" debacle. :P) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:32:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: OUATIM feedback In-Reply-To: <010201befeef$7f27b4a0$118d01d4@MFUK.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Keep it up, everyone ... I've created a separate email box for these memos. I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses. Kathy (who's posting way too much today, but didn't want to let this one go by) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:34:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: Due dates, Kerths ... and LAFF! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me what LAFF 2000 is? Being new (relatively speaking) to FoLCs, I really don't know much about it. If it's being held in LA, however, I might be able to come. I only live about 2 hours from there. Nan Smith Kathy Brown wrote: > At 1:49 PM -0600 9/14/99, Erin Klingler wrote: > >Pam wrote: > >> Personally, I think we ought to have Kerth babies every year... Kathy, > >> are you up for 2001? > > > >LOL! /me chants enthusiastically, "Kath-y! Kath-y! Kath-y!" > > /me hides. LOL, I can see it now ... "sorry, honey, I know we said > we'd start trying this winter but now we have to wait again ... no, no, the > doctor said everything is fine, but I can't be due until spring 2001." ;) > > > I'll be due mid April...hopefully NOT at Kerth time. > > Oh, gad, I forgot about Kerths in relation to that. I guess we *really* > will have to get going in January/February this year, Erin, so we can > ensure a March Kerths ceremony! :) > > But Erin's due date is just right ... she'll have just enough recovery time > to pack up her husband and all four kids and head to LA in August for LAFF > 2000. And considering that when I told Jim I was going to LA, he > suggested maybe he and Amy come along ... I think we'll have quite a party. > ;) > > >And for all of those of you who have any thoughts of volunteering to help > >out with Kerths 2000, keep this in mind: 2 out of 3 Kerth Coordinators have > >gotten pregnant. > > Kathy (the 1 out of 3. ;)) > > ______________________ > Kathy Brown > kathyb@springnet1.com > kathyb@lcfanfic.com > KathyB on IRC > ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:03:47 +0100 Reply-To: Yvonne Connell Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Yvonne Connell Subject: How do you like your eggs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, this is really trivial, but I like to get things right :) In the States, you either have your eggs 'over-easy' (or something that sounds like that, anyway) or...what? Oh - and is a breadbin still a breadbin over there? Finally, what would you use to tend your bacon and eggs in the frying pan - a spatula, a fish-slice, or what? Yvonne PS anybody know if there's a glossary of American colloquialisms anywhere on the web so I can stop bothering you all with this stuff? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:30:58 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Laurie Dunn Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Love these tricky questions Yvonne. I believe eggs are either over-easy or basted, not turned over at all. A spatula works great for cooking them (a fish-slice?) As for the breadbin, that may work here, but my mom used to have a breadbox. Anyone else for these deeply philosophical, esoteric questions? LaurieD ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:36:12 -0600 Reply-To: Rhonda Robinson Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rhonda Robinson Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02D4_01BEFECF.419DD260" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D4_01BEFECF.419DD260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Yvonne (and other FoLCs, if this gets to the list), >OK, this is really trivial, but I like to get things right :) In the >States, you either have your eggs 'over-easy' (or something that sounds like >that, anyway) or...what? Sunny-side-up or scrambled. >Oh - and is a breadbin still a breadbin over there? We call it a breadbox, but I'm not sure how many people actually have = formal breadboxes and how many just leave it on the counter or stick it in a drawer. >Finally, what would you use to tend your bacon and eggs in the frying = pan - >a spatula, a fish-slice, or what? A heatproof spatula or a pancake flipper. >PS anybody know if there's a glossary of American colloquialisms = anywhere on >the web so I can stop bothering you all with this stuff? There should be. A good search engine might help. Bye, Rhonda Robinson ------=_NextPart_000_02D4_01BEFECF.419DD260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_02D4_01BEFECF.419DD260-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:48:13 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Laurie Dunn Subject: OUATIM: Inspector Henderson to Lois and Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lois and Clark; My condolences to you and the Daily Planet for this terrible tragedy and the loss of two of your colleagues. The Bomb Squad continues to sift through the debris. We have found some evidence of a chemical explosive. The lab is working to identify it, but so far, they just tell me it is complex. If Superman should find anything, I hope you will assist the PD. We've had a few phone calls from the usual groups claiming responsibility. My detectives will continue to follow those leads. As for the trousers, they have some large burned areas. They appear to be approximately a size 32, khaki colored, and of cotton/ synthetic blend. You two be careful. We do not know exactly who was targeted. Henderson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:02:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? In-Reply-To: <013301befefd$230a2140$118d01d4@MFUK.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:03 PM +0100 9/14/99, Yvonne Connell wrote: >OK, this is really trivial, but I like to get things right :) In the >States, you either have your eggs 'over-easy' (or something that sounds like >that, anyway) or...what? Over-easy means turned once but the yolk is still a little soft. I've also on rare occasion heard people order them "over-hard", which means until the yolk sets up. Sunny-side-up means it's not turned at all and the yolk is pretty runny (great for mopping up with toast!). Scrambled is very popular, maybe the most popular? You could also have them "hard boiled", which is what we do with Easter eggs. Or poached. Any I missed?? In a fanfic, if you have Clark asking Lois how she wants her eggs, you could easily have him say "how do you like them? Over-easy, scrambled, what?" and that would sound very natural. :) >Oh - and is a breadbin still a breadbin over there? A breadbox is the term here, but I think it's becoming an "old fashioned" term. It's something my grandma used, but my mom didn't and neither do I. We just leave ours in the bag on the counter, though some people keep theirs in the refrigerator or even in the freezer if they don't go through bread quickly. (When it was just my husband and I, we kept it in the freezer, but a family will usually finish a loaf well before it goes dry. We go through 2 loaves a week now .. and about 3 gallons of milk. And we just have one girl. I can't imagine how families with teenage boys find room in their refrigerator. ) A breadbox I suppose could something that's built into a kitchen counter, especially maybe an older kitchen, and if we had one, I'd use it. But it's not something I'd buy special. >Finally, what would you use to tend your bacon and eggs in the frying pan - >a spatula, a fish-slice, or what? A spatula is the right term. Plastic ones are most common here, but I have some old metal ones, too. Hope that helps! Kathy (who would miss these discussions if there was a website which answered them all. ) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:58:50 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: Combo Post -- Number One Fans and S6 In-Reply-To: <37DB1AAC.C2C0948B@cyberhotline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:14 PM 09/11/1999 -0700, you wrote: >"Ann E. McBride" wrote: > >> Is it only me, or does anyone else think that Lois and Clark might still be >> on the air if some of the fanfiction writers had been hired by the show at >> the start of the fourth season? >> >> Ann > >Start of the fourth nothing. If they had done Debbie's five part Arc, starting >with I'll Knot Pronounce You all the way through The Long, Dazed Journey From >the Night, (I had to cheat with a look at the archive for the correct title for >the last one. I forget them, too. >I'd better go read it again) the series would probably rival the >longevity of Mash. > >Cindy Thank you :) I agree ;D At least Clark wouldn't have come off looking so brainless and Lois so... "forgiving" isn't quite the right word. What's the right word for "You thought I still loved Lex (you with x-ray vision to see I had a skull fracture) and so you let him keep me imprisoned???" Oh, well. Debby Debby@swcp.com an agreeable sort ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:42:41 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit StarKitty wrote: >Nope. I was hoping someone else would have a bright idea for solving the >problem. Oh, well. >I guess I'll just have post feedback to the authors I can't find current >e-mail addresses to here, >instead of sending it to them. :-) Well, I know that Ray Reynolds - who writes *the* most incredible detailed feedback I've ever seen and who I know can light up the mailboxes of more than one FoLC writer and leave them on a high for days when they get an email from him (Hi, Ray! ) has often posted to feedback to this list (or one list anyway ) when he has no eddress for the author he wants to contact. Can't hurt. LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat labrat@ukf.net "They couldn't hit an elephant from this dist...." The final words of General John Sedgwick, spoken while looking over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania in 1864. "You will never amount to very much." - Munich Schoolmaster to Albert Einstein, aged 10. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:41:45 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.C. Malo" Subject: Re: Feedback, and esp. Carol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Wendy, for your encouraging comments on my stories. It was very thoughtful of you to take the time amidst your battle with pesky computer gremlins. As a great admirer of *your* stories, I'm very flattered. I wish now I hadn't posted my comment on feedback -- bad manners, I think. Carol ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 00:53:04 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Mills Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yvonne, a fellow Brit, will understand how paranoid we are here about under-cooked eggs since Edwina Currie and her salmonella-scare a few years ago - we now *always* turn them!! Teri definately did *not* enjoy the raw egg with Worcestershire sauce she downed 8 times a week (on stage) during Cabaret - she confirmed to us that the eggs were real, and it is one thing she will not be missing after Cabaret after the show!!! By the way, as a Brit, it was the only 'compromise' she made in her English accent - she pronounced orcestersshire with 3 or 4 syllables (US style, I can't say it like that), but if she had said it correctly as 'wuster', no American in the US audience would have understood!!! Otherwise her accent was completely accurate, better for the part of Sally than Natasha's modern stage (but natural) accent - if I had shut my eyes I would swear this was a ''Sloan Ranger'!!! Back to lurkdom Jenny ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- At 18:02 14/09/99 -0500, you wrote: >At 11:03 PM +0100 9/14/99, Yvonne Connell wrote: >>OK, this is really trivial, but I like to get things right :) In the >>States, you either have your eggs 'over-easy' (or something that sounds like >>that, anyway) or...what? > >Over-easy means turned once but the yolk is still a little soft. I've also >on rare occasion heard people order them "over-hard", which means until the >yolk sets up. Sunny-side-up means it's not turned at all and the yolk is >pretty runny (great for mopping up with toast!). Scrambled is very popular, >maybe the most popular? > >You could also have them "hard boiled", which is what we do with Easter >eggs. Or poached. Any I missed?? > >In a fanfic, if you have Clark asking Lois how she wants her eggs, you >could easily have him say "how do you like them? Over-easy, scrambled, >what?" and that would sound very natural. :) > > >>Oh - and is a breadbin still a breadbin over there? > >A breadbox is the term here, but I think it's becoming an "old fashioned" >term. It's something my grandma used, but my mom didn't and neither do I. >We just leave ours in the bag on the counter, though some people keep >theirs in the refrigerator or even in the freezer if they don't go through >bread quickly. (When it was just my husband and I, we kept it in the >freezer, but a family will usually finish a loaf well before it goes dry. >We go through 2 loaves a week now .. and about 3 gallons of milk. And we >just have one girl. I can't imagine how families with teenage boys find >room in their refrigerator. ) > >A breadbox I suppose could something that's built into a kitchen counter, >especially maybe an older kitchen, and if we had one, I'd use it. But it's >not something I'd buy special. > > >>Finally, what would you use to tend your bacon and eggs in the frying pan - >>a spatula, a fish-slice, or what? > >A spatula is the right term. Plastic ones are most common here, but I have >some old metal ones, too. > >Hope that helps! > >Kathy (who would miss these discussions if there was a website which >answered them all. ) > >______________________ >Kathy Brown >kathyb@springnet1.com >kathyb@lcfanfic.com >KathyB on IRC >______________________ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Jenny Mills j.mills@netcom.co.uk / jmills@ccta.gov.uk JO: Looks like it's rush hour on the Super Information Highway. LL: Yes, and I'm stuck in traffic - Mme Ex LL: Clark, you're my best friend..... - STGTTWNK Sgt. Buzz Thomas (DC): To undying friendship - Best Men ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:19:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? Comments: To: yconnell@ukf.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yvonne Connell wrote: > > OK, this is really trivial, but I like to get things right :) In the > States, you either have your eggs 'over-easy' (or something that sounds like > that, anyway) or...what? Kathy seems to have covered all the bases in her response, except for the omelet. There are all kinds of omelets, of course. The most well-known may be the Western Omelet which has bits of ham, onion, and green pepper in it. You can also have eggs soft boiled -- hard on the outside, runny on the inside. Good to have with bread and butter, but very old timey. One interesting way to have eggs can be seen in the movie "Moonstruck," and I think everyone who saw that film went home and tried it -- You take a piece of (lightly toasted?) bread, pull out some of the middle to create a hole, break the egg into the hole and fry it like that. Yummy! Somehow they made it look sexy, romantic *and* homey -- weird. How do I like my eggs? Unfertilized. Just kiddin'! Well, I'm NOT but you get the idea. Actually I really like Eggs Benedict -- An English muffin with a slice of ham on it, topped with a poached egg and covered with Hollandaise sauce. Oh, and if you're not talking breakfast -- deviled eggs can be served at picnics, lunches, parties, whatever. > Oh - and is a breadbin still a breadbin over there? As Kathy said, "breadbox." I keep my bread in the frig, though and rarely go through a whole loaf -- always throwing it out. More often, I'll eat bagels or what *we* call English Muffins. > Finally, what would you use to tend your bacon and eggs in the frying pan - > a spatula, a fish-slice, or what? Spatula or, for bacon, just your average everyday fork. > Yvonne > > PS anybody know if there's a glossary of American colloquialisms anywhere on > the web so I can stop bothering you all with this stuff? Yvonne, there's tons of stuff like this on the web. Try the following links. I recommend the last one to everyone -- especially Americans. It's a hoot! I read the section on Philly, South Jersey, and Washington - the places I lived for most of my life -- and was really misting over.;) http://pages.prodigy.com/NY/NYC/britspk/main.html http://free.prohosting.com/~netcafe/terms.html http://www.aitech.ac.jp/~itesls/slang/ http://www.linkopp.com/members/vlaiko/slanglinks.htm http://www.slanguage.com/ Sandy smcdermin@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:56:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey James, Interesting points :) I never expected to be arguing temporal mechanics, but I guess I should have I know there was a recent discussion on this list about this, but I missed most of it, as it centered on a story I hadn't yet read. So I apologize if I'm beating a dead horse, or offering a theory you've all already decided is nonsense :) My theory (gleaned from years of reading SF) is that universes branch at major points ... like branches on a tree. The branches diverge, but they still have a common trunk. So you fix one ancient curse, and all branches (that diverged after that) are fixed. Of course, in real life, I don't believe in past lives or curses (or multiple universes). But those are both canon in the L&C universe, so I thought I ought to deal with it. There are countless stories that just ignore the curse, for various reasons -- it'd be tough to work it in when the story is focused on something besides time-travel. But since I already had H.G. Wells, I thought I should take the opportunity to cover it. Hey, at least I tried Your second theory hinged on moral purity... sorry, I don't think it works. For one thing *nobody* is morally pure (not even Superman) as Wendy pointed out. And they've got a *long* way to go to even get close to Tempus, morally speaking. In real life, I definitely believe people should have sex only within the bounds of marriage, but I'm less strict in fiction. And I don't remember the exact wording of the curse, but I somehow doubt it was that specific. Besides ... what's most important about marriage? The committment between two people. A public ceremony demonstrates that committment, and legal contracts enforce it (to an extent) but it's not a real marriage until they consummate it, right? So by having sex, they were getting married, in a way And they did follow through with the public and legal aspects not too long afterwards. Like I said, interesting discussion If you don't hear from me for several days, btw, don't assume I'm uninterested, or that anyone's hurt my feelings ... Hurricane Floyd is heading right at us :( and it's entirely possible that we might lose electricity for a few days. We have a generator, so we should do fine, but I wouldn't want to run my computer off a generator -- too much risk of surges, etc. Any prayers or good thoughts anyone wants to send our way will be appreciated! -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:16:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Completely off topic here, but I hope it will be permitted this once. How is the situation with Hurricane Floyd? I realize I'm sounding like a worried mother here, but one of my daughters is a Marine recruit on Parris Island off North Carolina, and I'm naturally a little concerned. Nan Smith Pam Jernigan wrote: > Hey James, > > Interesting points :) I never expected to be arguing temporal > mechanics, but I guess I should have I know there was a recent > discussion on this list about this, but I missed most of it, as it > centered on a story I hadn't yet read. So I apologize if I'm beating a > dead horse, or offering a theory you've all already decided is nonsense > :) > > My theory (gleaned from years of reading SF) is that universes branch at > major points ... like branches on a tree. The branches diverge, but > they still have a common trunk. So you fix one ancient curse, and all > branches (that diverged after that) are fixed. > > Of course, in real life, I don't believe in past lives or curses (or > multiple universes). But those are both canon in the L&C universe, so I > thought I ought to deal with it. There are countless stories that just > ignore the curse, for various reasons -- it'd be tough to work it in > when the story is focused on something besides time-travel. But since I > already had H.G. Wells, I thought I should take the opportunity to cover > it. Hey, at least I tried > > Your second theory hinged on moral purity... sorry, I don't think it > works. For one thing *nobody* is morally pure (not even Superman) as > Wendy pointed out. And they've got a *long* way to go to even get close > to Tempus, morally speaking. In real life, I definitely believe people > should have sex only within the bounds of marriage, but I'm less strict > in fiction. And I don't remember the exact wording of the curse, but I > somehow doubt it was that specific. > > Besides ... what's most important about marriage? The committment > between two people. A public ceremony demonstrates that committment, > and legal contracts enforce it (to an extent) but it's not a real > marriage until they consummate it, right? So by having sex, they > were getting married, in a way And they did follow through with the > public and legal aspects not too long afterwards. > > Like I said, interesting discussion If you don't hear from me for > several days, btw, don't assume I'm uninterested, or that anyone's hurt > my feelings ... Hurricane Floyd is heading right at us :( and it's > entirely possible that we might lose electricity for a few days. We > have a generator, so we should do fine, but I wouldn't want to run my > computer off a generator -- too much risk of surges, etc. Any prayers > or good thoughts anyone wants to send our way will be appreciated! > -- > ------------------------------------------------------- > Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net > ChiefPam on IRC | > ------------------------------------------------------- > "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" > "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" > --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" > ------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:19:10 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kath Roden Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: Sandy McDermin <> My mon used to make these when I was a kid... I'd forgotten all about them.. We called them... Pig in a polk No idea why.. KathR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:29:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kath Roden wrote: > > From: Sandy McDermin > > < and I think everyone who saw that film went home and > tried it -- You take a piece of (lightly toasted?) bread, pull out some of > the middle to create a hole, break the egg into the hole and fry it like > that. Yummy! >> > > My mon used to make these when I was a kid... I'd forgotten all about > them.. > > We called them... Pig in a polk No idea why.. > > KathR Well, when *I* was growing up, a sign that a family was doing well economically was when they could serve meat at meals. So, I remember my grandmother making me steak and eggs for breakfast as a treat. However, she was also fond of making creamed chip beef on toast which we called -- now, my pardon my French -- s**t on the shingle. Sandy (who finds food -- both the making and the eating of -- an aphrodisiac and finds men with a healthy appetite sexy.;) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:36:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Irene D." Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Kath Roden wrote: > From: Sandy McDermin > > < the movie "Moonstruck," > and I think everyone who saw that film went home and > tried it -- You take a piece of (lightly toasted?) > bread, pull out some of > the middle to create a hole, break the egg into the > hole and fry it like > that. Yummy! >> > > My mon used to make these when I was a kid... I'd > forgotten all about > them.. > > We called them... Pig in a polk No idea why.. > > KathR We always called them 'toad in a hole'. Yum! Irene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:33:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: LAFF 2000 In-Reply-To: <37DEBF67.230BD4EA@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:34 PM -0700 9/14/99, Nancy Smith wrote: >Can anyone tell me what LAFF 2000 is? Being new (relatively speaking) to >FoLCs, >I really don't know much about it. If it's being held in LA, however, I >might be >able to come. I only live about 2 hours from there. Chris P might be able to jump in here with more details, since I think she going to be our fearless leader. But in a nutshell -- the first week of August 2000, in LA, with a whole mess of other FoLCs. Sounds like my kind of time. :) LAFF stands for "Los Angeles FoLC Fest", Nan, and there have been 3 of them so far, I believe. You know how you hear about Star Trek "conventions"? FoLC Fests are our equivalent. Not nearly as big as ST; I believe the biggest turnout they had at LAFF was around 100 people. But still a great time. There hasn't been one for a couple years; I think the last one was the summer of 97, after L&C was canceled. That year, Beverly Garland was the special guest ... the first year I know they got to meet the entire cast (sigh). Can't remember about the second year, if any of the stars were present. Now that the show is off the air, there is no guarantee there will be any L&C stars there. But to me this is very secondary. If we get someone to meet with us (Dr. Klein, anyone? ) I'd be thrilled, but I'm excited about going to meet people that I've considered my friends for years even though some of them I've never met in person. :) Does that help at all? Maybe those who've actually been to a LAFF before (I haven't) could shed more light. :) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com kathyb@lcfanfic.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:54:47 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: NK Family names In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:15 PM 09/14/1999 -0500, you wrote: >I believe that Lord Nor's family name is Nor. It's possible that Nor >really hated his first name and so everyone knew better than to mention it. > > >James During that K-argh, he became known as Lord Knorr, which I think Diane Kidd started. Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:53:13 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kath Roden Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sandy McDermin wrote: <> LOL, sounds like a great woman! <> Like the sig too! KathR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:04:04 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/14/1999 6:31:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DUNNFOUR@AOL.COM writes: <> what's basted? I'd prefer scrambled, myself. --Laurie (the other one) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:13:36 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Smith Subject: Re: NEW: Fate Worse Than Death (5 of 5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------64C372B3BCFAC441A89FF9CD" --------------64C372B3BCFAC441A89FF9CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I meant South Carolina. I heard that the Marines were being evacuated from Parris Island, and I was hoping someone in that area could tell me how bad Floyd is expected to be. Vanya is brand new out of high school, and still in boot camp. I'm not supposed to be worried, but, hey, this is my baby girl I'm talking about, even if she thinks she's the toughest thing that ever walked the Earth. Nan Smith --------------64C372B3BCFAC441A89FF9CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I meant South Carolina. I heard that the Marines were being evacuated from Parris Island, and I was hoping someone in that area could tell me how bad Floyd is expected to be. Vanya is brand new out of high school, and still in boot camp. I'm not supposed to be worried, but, hey, this is my baby girl I'm talking about, even if she thinks she's the toughest thing that ever walked the Earth.
Nan Smith --------------64C372B3BCFAC441A89FF9CD-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:18:38 -0500 Reply-To: truitt22@flash.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: timothy truitt Organization: tnt technical services Subject: Re: OUATIM feedback MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree - keep it up merry Kathy Brown wrote: > Keep it up, everyone ... I've created a separate email box for these memos. > I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses. > > Kathy (who's posting way too much today, but didn't want to let this one go by) > > ______________________ > Kathy Brown > kathyb@springnet1.com > kathyb@lcfanfic.com > KathyB on IRC > ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:27:44 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > < basted, not turned over at all. >> > > what's basted? I'd prefer scrambled, myself. You don't turn basted eggs over, but you splash them (baste them) with hot grease until the tops are cooked. They're a lot like over-easy. Sheila ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:38:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Organization: http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam/ Subject: OT: Hurricane MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Completely off topic here, but I hope it will be permitted this once. How > is the situation with Hurricane Floyd? So far, in Raleigh, all we've got is clouds, some wind, and light rain. It should hit here by Thursday daytime ... which means South Carolina will get it tomorrow, most likely. We got slammed by Hurricane Fran three years ago -- high winds, heavy rainfall. *Lots* of trees fell down (crashing into houses and bringing down electrical wires), and creeks flooded. The Jernigans were without power for 5 days, though we had running water & gas to heat it. The Mulders were powerless for a week, I think. This time, we've both got generators. We didn't lose any trees here, I don't think they did either, but you never know. Storms are rough on the coastline & islands because massive amounts of sand get moved around; houses that used to be well back from the water are now *in* the water... but if people are smart enough to evacuate, they're fine. Don't worry about your daughter, Nan (I know, you're a mom, you're going to worry); the Marines will take good care of her, I'm sure. -- ------------------------------------------------------- Pam Jernigan | jernigan@bellsouth.net ChiefPam on IRC | ------------------------------------------------------- "Look, up in the sky!" "Is it a bird?" "Is it a plane?" "Nah, it's just some guy in a pair of tights and a cape" --crowd scene from the pilot of "Lois & Clark" ------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:52:27 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kath Roden Subject: Re: OUATIM feedback Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Merry Truitt wrote: <> Kathy Brown wrote: << Keep it up, everyone ... I've created a separate email box for these memos. I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses.>> I agree, this is fun! I feel like I'm in on the action... KathR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:12:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jocelyn R Hoffman Subject: Re: How do you like your eggs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii <> My mon used to make these when I was a kid... I'd forgotten all about them.. We called them... Pig in a polk No idea why.. KathR We always called them 'toad in a hole'. Yum! Irene>> We always called them either 'man on a raft' or 'bird in a nest'. Yummy ~Jocelyn === Jocelyn R Hoffman dreaminglight@yahoo.com "You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club." -- Jack London __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:46:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: TA Merrill Subject: Re: The S3 arc and killing the show (was Re: Combo Post) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:25 Kathy wrote: instead of falling for Deter, Lois was supposed to fall for *Superman*. Instead of Clark standing heartbroken after being told Lois loved Deter, we probably would have gotten a humorous "here we go again" roll of the eyes. And even better ... it was scripted that Lois would go to Superman in the park in the final episode of the arc and tell him that, although she had feelings for him, she was hopelessly in love with Clark. We were then to get our third and final revelation -- Superman telling Lois that he was Clark. *************** I love this idea! Has anyone written a fanfic to cover this angle that I can run off and read? TerriAnn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:54:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melisma Subject: Re: Erin, was NKerth Voting Dilemma In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, Pam and Erin! And super-congrats to Erin, of course :D Um, Erin, if you are worried about Kerths Coordinators getting pregnant, perhaps you should rope in some men, or some ladies who have NO husbands or boyfriends (and seriously doubt that they will in the near future)... Melisma (looking around her and whistling innocently) -------------------------------------- At 01:49 PM 9/14/99 -0600, you wrote: >Pam wrote: >> Personally, I think we ought to have Kerth babies every year... Kathy, >> are you up for 2001? > >LOL! /me chants enthusiastically, "Kath-y! Kath-y! Kath-y!" > >And for all of those of you who have any thoughts of volunteering to help >out with Kerths 2000, keep this in mind: 2 out of 3 Kerth Coordinators have >gotten pregnant. Not good odds for those of you who are not wanting to be >"in the motherly way". Maybe take up horseshoes instead of Kerth >volunteering, instead. ;) > >Erin :) >__________________ >erink@ida.net >Visit my LNC/Kerth Website: www.ida.net/users/davek > ***** >"It's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they >happen." >__________________ > >