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Of course, everyone who is going to see Teri Hatcher in "Cabaret" is
"siting her" these days; however, I thought I'd add a little something
>from ... a volunteer usher's perspective.  (Hooo-boy!  Aren't you just
pea green with envy! <sarcasm here>)

Well, we all had to be at the theater at least one and a half hours
before show time for our pre-show meeting, to get our assignments, and
to perform little tasks like stuffing playbills with ads.  Usually, this
sort of thing is done up in the balcony.  This evening we were sitting
in the "Grand Suites" -- the seats normally bought seasonally by
corporations and "the well to do."  Anyway as we were sitting there
stuffing, I was looking out over the stage. There were people checking
the sound and lights, and dancers limbering up.

All of a sudden a little toddler comes running out from backstage -- a
cute little girl with light brown curly hair in a flowered sun dress and
sandals.  She begins dancing about the stage while a few women watched,
one looked like she might be a nanny. She was youngish and had a
backpack.  The other women could have been with the show or could have
been relatives -- one looked grandmotherish.  Anyway, moments later a
very slim Teri Hatcher comes out wearing hip-hugging pants that billowed
out, sort of like pilazzos.(sp?)  She also had on a short, tightish
shirt that came to her midriff.  She chased after what I assumed to be
her daughter, Emerson.  (Hey, they don't make *stupid* people ushers.)
She danced with her and then swung her up in her arms.  Together they
were chasing the spotlight and the guy testing the spotlight was playing
along with them moving it around the stage. Teri H. and her daughter
spent a good ten minutes out there dancing about.  Teri H. kept pointing
to us trying to get Emerson to look and then putting her down to dance.
(She's starting her out early, obviously.)  Since I had to do my job, I
couldn't respond beyond smiling and surreptitiously waving.  We ushers
have to be <deep, serious voice here> professionals.

To say the least she's a real doll, and Emerson's not bad either....
Just kidding Emerson's the doll.  Really cute.

Well, that's my brush with greatness for this evening.  Even though
Cabaret opened last Wednesday, I have yet to see a review in the
Washington Post. (I don't read that rag, the Washington Times, so I
don't know if it was reviewed there yet.  But, rest assured, if the
Times doesn't like the play, they will blame the Clinton
Administration.) Arch Campbell, the reviewer for our NBC affiliate, did
attend tonight, but I got home too late to see whether he was on the
11:00 o'clock news and what he had to say.

As for myself, before this evening, I don't believe I ever saw Cabaret
in its entirety -- even the movie.  Even so, the signature performances
of Joel Grey and Liza Minnelli are hard to forget, let alone the
performances of Laurence Harvey and Julie Harris, in "I am a Camera."
So, I pushed those aside and found myself enjoying the show very much on
its own merits. I was surprised at how strong Teri Hatcher's singing was
and found her a little stiffer in her movements. (I expected the
opposite.)  She was quite good though, and I never once thought of Lois
Lane.  In fact, her voice -- the one thing I really thought would be
familiar -- wasn't familiar at all.  Only at times could I hear
Teri/Lois. Mostly, she spoke in a rather husky, deep voice -- a little
like Tallulah Bankhead with a British accent.<g>

Well, that's it.  One down and two to go.

Sandy
smcdermin@erols.com
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No Name Available wrote:

> In a message dated 08/14/1999 6:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> chaste@CYBERHOTLINE.COM writes:
>
> << Did you know that if you moisten newpaper it becomes papier mache when
it
>  dries.  >>
>
> Don't you have to add some white glue or plaster stuff?
>
> --Laurie

You might for hollow or bigger pieces.  When my kids and I were dabbling in
the
art, we were making six to eight inch solid animals.  When the stuff dried
it
was hard enough to raise a robin's egg on my oldest's head when one of the
objects d'art "accidentally slipped" from his brother's hand at about ten
miles
an hour.  I also remember the experience as being very messy.  Better a
villain
suffer through it than me.
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Cindy commented:
><< Did you know that if you moisten newpaper it becomes papier mache when
>it
>  dries.  >>

And Laurie replied:
>Don't you have to add some white glue or plaster stuff?

It's newpaper strips, flour, water, and salt.

Jessi
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(who spent her summer trying to convince eight year olds that papier mache
is not poisonous and will not eat their skin)

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Date:         Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:02:26 -0700
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> But there is really little logic to the cuts. Someone else has pointed out
> elsewhere that during its recent re-runs of the show in it's kiddie
> programming for the school summer vacation period, our cable channel, Sky,
> repeatedly cut what it obviously considered sexually explicit material -
> while inserting ads for some of its more salacious tabloid trash sex shows
> in ad. breaks, which were much more offensive in content. Personally I'd
> much rather have kids viewing a loving relationship between two people
than
> clips from a show about people's weird sexual fetishes or a dumb Club
18-30
> style quiz show with a crowd of teens getting blitzed on sangria and
> removing all their clothes so they can crush grapes with their butts. But
> then, that's just me....

It seems that  would make more sense!  Does this BBC view American TV as
being too sexual or too violent, or essentially not good enough for the BBC?
I will be studying abroad in London for three months beginning in September
so I'm really curious to see how lot of American stuff is received by the
UK.

Are UK gun laws very strict?  This is a pretty touchy subject in the US and
very debatable whether or not they are strict or too lenient.  Violence on
TV here in the US is pretty common--but explicit sexual activity is still
censored pretty well.  Perhaps this is just the opposite in the UK, and
therefore the reason why some of the LnC scenes are edited?

Thanks for the insight!

Ara :o)
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I just had a quick question.. What floor of the Daily Planet is the newsroom
on?  Is it the 3rd floor?

Thanks.
Alexis ;-.)
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As someone who never read the comics at all, can I ask if there was ever an
established mythology on Luthor's past? His childhood, his history, parents,
place of birth...etc. etc. You know the sort of thing. Or can I make it up
as I go along? <bg>

And, while I'm here....was very disturbed the other evening to switch on the
TV and discover that Lex Luthor had decided to become a candidate in the
Presidential race. And then the caption came up and I realised it was Warren
Beatty. Spooky.

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@ukf.net

"Louie - you are one sick lizard."
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No Name Available wrote:
> In a message dated 08/14/1999 6:40:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> chaste@CYBERHOTLINE.COM writes:
>
> << Did you know that if you moisten newpaper it becomes papier mache when
it
>  dries.  >>
>
> Don't you have to add some white glue or plaster stuff?
>
> --Laurie

Not if you eat it first.

Sheila Harper wrote:
>
> At 04:20 PM 8/14/99 -0700, Nancy Smith wrote:
> >>Just a question for a plot.  What time of year was it that "Lois and
> >>Clarks" and "AKA Superman" supposed to have occurred?
>
> >"Meet John Doe" and "Lois and Clarks" were originally scheduled for the
> February sweeps.
>
> Sorry, forgot to mention that all the American viewers went, "huh?"  After
> all, our presidential elections are *always* held on the 1st Tuesday of
> November in years divisible by 4.  And to have a presidential election
going
> on in February (or March, when the eps actually aired) was ludicrous.
>
> Sheila
> sharper@cncc.cc.co.us

Well, obviously, this episode was written in the spirit of the first
presidential election which occurred on January 7, 1789 and really
involved appointing electors who would vote in February, at least
according to the Continental Congress.  But, for all intents and
purposes, January was the month Washington was elected.  And, up until
FDR's second inaugural, all presidential inaugurals were held in March.
I'm sure this little historical walk down memory lane was what was being
paid homage to and intended when MJD was written.;)

What I found humbling is that despite the fact that I'm a political
scientist, research politics for a living, worked on presidential
campaigns, follow politics like baseball, live in the U.S. capital and
even ... vote, I did not catch this "error" when MJD first aired or even
the second time.  It took the writer to point it out.

Sandy -- (A walk down "memory lane" -- now there's another L&C trivia
reference.)
smcdermin@erols.com
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>
> Actually, it was very informative and interesting.  I always enjoy
learning
> about life in other places.  I can see, if the BBC cut all the steamy
stuff
> out of the 4th season why it would have seemed a bit dull.  It would have
> only lasted for 45 minutes an episode, too. <g>

It only lasted 45 minutes here, Ann, as you'll notice if you edit out the
commercials.
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> And, while I'm here....was very disturbed the other evening to switch on
> the
> TV and discover that Lex Luthor had decided to become a candidate in the
> Presidential race. And then the caption came up and I realised it was
> Warren
> Beatty. Spooky.

LOL!  I didn't even realize there was such a resemblance until you just
mentioned that!  That *is* spooky.  (What is the deal here with celebrities
entering politics?!?)

Ara :o)
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<<She danced with her and then swung her up in her arms.  Together they were
chasing the spotlight and the guy testing the spotlight was laying along
with them moving it around the stage. Teri H. and her daughter spent a good
ten minutes out there dancing about.  Teri H. kept pointing to us trying to
get Emerson to look and then putting her down to dance.>>

Sandy!  What a treat!  It must have been great fun watching them dance
around the stage.  Nice to know Teri and Emmy find the time to have fun
together!

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-----Original Message-----
>Take a look on the Archive under my name.  You'll find two modest stories,
>"Dagger of the Mind" and "Dagger's Edge"  Those are mine.  While not to be
>compared with any of the great authors on the Archive, like Wendy Richards
or
>Yvonne

I think you got your adjectives round the wrong way here, Nan <g>.  Your
stories are 'great', whereas I am a 'modest' author.  Not so Wendy, however,
who most definitely qualifies for the former adjective.

>, I got some very kind feedback about them, so I felt I needed to tie up
>all the loose ends I left dangling.

Good to hear you've found a plot for your third part.  I'm looking forward
to finding out where that pesky substance turns up next ;)

Yvonne
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Ok i am not sure if this got mailed out yesterday, I got it, but nobody is
answering so i am going to try to post it one more time..

I need to know the answers to these questions to help me out with a fanfic i
am working on.

1.   What floor of the Daily Planet is the newsroom on?
2.   If one was to walk through the elevator and face the Pit, and they
asked
for directions to Perry White's office, would the person giving the
directions say "go straight through the Pit and make a right?"

Thanks.
Alexis ;-.)

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Ok i am not sure if this got mailed out yesterday, I got it, but nobody is
answering so i am going to try to post it one more time..

I need to know the answers to these questions to help me out with a fanfic i
am working on.

1.   What floor of the Daily Planet is the newsroom on?
2.   If one was to walk through the elevator and face the Pit, and they
asked
for directions to Perry White's office, would the person giving the
directions say "go straight through the Pit and make a right?"

Thanks.
Alexis ;-.)
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No Name Available wrote:

> Sorry i am having internet problems today!
>
> Alexis
> Ok i am not sure if this got mailed out yesterday, I got it, but nobody is
> answering so i am going to try to post it one more time..
>
> I need to know the answers to these questions to help me out with a fanfic
i
> am working on.
>
> 1.   What floor of the Daily Planet is the newsroom on?
> 2.   If one was to walk through the elevator and face the Pit, and they
asked
> for directions to Perry White's office, would the person giving the
> directions say "go straight through the Pit and make a right?"
>
> Thanks.
> Alexis ;-.)

I believe the newsroom is on the third floor.  Sorry, I can't answer #2

Nan
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In a message dated 8/15/99 3:23:38 PM EST, deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< I believe the newsroom is on the third floor.  Sorry, I can't answer #2

 Nan >>

Ok.. i was thinking the 3rd floor too.. but then i was talking to a fellow
FoLC and she made a good point that the newsroom has to be high enough for
Superman to fly through.  I mean i know 3 floors are kinda high, but doesn't
it have to look believeable enough to have Sman whoosh through a newsroom
window?  Unless the window is up a few floors in relativity to the Pit?
Ackk
ok now i am just babbling here.. These are just things to think of.

Alexis ;-.)
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Superman probably just flies so fast no one can see him.  Think of all those
scenes when he zips out and paper flies all over the room.  Or maybe he goes
up
the stairwell and leaves from the roof.  Take your choice.

Nan

No Name Available wrote:

> In a message dated 8/15/99 3:23:38 PM EST, deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
> << I believe the newsroom is on the third floor.  Sorry, I can't answer #2
>
>  Nan >>
>
> Ok.. i was thinking the 3rd floor too.. but then i was talking to a fellow
> FoLC and she made a good point that the newsroom has to be high enough for
> Superman to fly through.  I mean i know 3 floors are kinda high, but
doesn't
> it have to look believeable enough to have Sman whoosh through a newsroom
> window?  Unless the window is up a few floors in relativity to the Pit?
Ackk
> ok now i am just babbling here.. These are just things to think of.
>
> Alexis ;-.)
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Alexis wrote:

> 2.   If one was to walk through the elevator and face the Pit,
> and they asked
> for directions to Perry White's office, would the person giving the
> directions say "go straight through the Pit and make a right?"

I couldn't tell you for sure, but why not try Warner Brothers' virtual site?
I remember taking the virtual tour of the newsroom, and I'm sure you can do
so yourself.  :)  That virtual tour URL is:
http://virtuallot.warnerbros.com/cmp/vault/classic/superman/wnew.htm

For those of you who may not know about this, the site has virtual tours of
Clark's apartment, bedroom and closet, the DP newsroom, and Perry's office.

Hope this helps!

Erin  :)
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At 03:29 PM 8/15/1999 -0600, Erin wrote:
>so yourself.  :)  That virtual tour URL is:
>http://virtuallot.warnerbros.com/cmp/vault/classic/superman/wnew.htm
>
>For those of you who may not know about this, the site has virtual tours of
>Clark's apartment, bedroom and closet, the DP newsroom, and Perry's office.
>
Thanks Erin!  When I changed computers I lost these files.  I thought the
site was dead (they cancelled the show, I thought they cancelled the web
site too;\)  Now I have them again:)

Thanks

Margaret

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At 05:03 AM 08/15/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>I just had a quick question.. What floor of the Daily Planet is the
newsroom
>on?  Is it the 3rd floor?
>
>Thanks.
>Alexis ;-.)

High enough to be reached by elevators yet lower than some surrounding
buildings depending on the view from the big window over the
staircase/bookcase
combination. I would also say it's low enough for reporters to rush away and
back again using the regular stairs/fire exits if necessary without getting
too
winded or having a heart attack if they're overweight.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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At 11:16 AM +0100 8/13/99, LabRat wrote:

>Of course, I've also been inspired to give crossovers another chance by the
>upcoming B&B/LNC fanfic - Timeless - due on the Archive any day now, I
>believe. <bg> Yes, I know I've plugged it already - trust me, it's fully
>deserving of it.

Just so you all don't go to the Archive tonight then accuse LabRat of being
a liar ... ;)

The story Timeless will be posted to the Archive next Sunday (a week from
today).  I already had several stories ready to go out last week and this
one is so long, I didn't want to add it on to the list, or else no one
would ever get any work done this week--they'd be reading fanfic all day
every day. <g>

I haven't read it yet, myself, but it does look very interesting, and if
Lab recommends it, you can be sure I'll be making it a priority.  So fair
warning ... save yourself some time next Sunday.  The story is 470K. :)

Kathy

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I just had a quick question.. What floor of the Daily Planet is the
newsroom
>on?  Is it the 3rd floor?
>
>Thanks.
>Alexis ;-.)

It's the 3rd floor. There is one ep (sorry I can't place it right off
hand) that you can see the top of the globe outside thru the window
behind Perry in his office.  If you look at the front of the building,
the top of the globe hits right at the bottom of the 3rd floor windows.

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:09:31 -0600
From: Karen Whitney <whitneyk@cadvision.com>
Subject: Due South/Lois and Clark Crossover

Hi fellow FoLCs,

I'm not on this list, although I have been meaning to join eventually,
but Marlene has kindly agreed to pass this along for me. I've been
informed there has been discussion about/requests for a serious Due
South/Lois & Clark crossover.

There are lots of people who are fans of both shows, including me. I
have seen every episode of both shows, most of them multiple times. I
have been planning to do a crossover of the two for quite some time
(which Marlene can verify:)), but other projects have gotten in the way.
I do have quite a few ideas for it though, and I hope to get started on
it in the not-too-distant future. One of the things that has
side-tracked me is fanfic for another show, and I'm doing one where the
characters on that show watch the TV show Lois & Clark and notice that
their lives have quite a few similarities to things that have occurred
in the lives of our favourite couple, so my other projects are not
completely unrelated to L&C.:)

As for it being serious, I didn't have the crossover planned as a farce
or a satire or anything like that, but I definitely did plan to include
comedic aspects in the story. Anyway, just thought I would let you know
that I do plan to write a DS/L&C crossover. I hope you will find it
worth the wait once I have completed it.:)

Thank you kindly,

Karen
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> Sheila Harper wrote:
>
> > >"Meet John Doe" and "Lois and Clarks" were originally scheduled for the
> > February sweeps.[snip]
> >

And all the NON-American viewers went 'huh??' at the mention of
'sweeps'. What do you do - send everyone up the chimney in February
<g>?

Wendy
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Irene wrote:
>
> Nan's story that was just posted to the archive, is a great new take on
> ATAI.  Clark makes a different choice at the beginning of the episode,
> and the action flows logically from that point of deviation.  I
> thoroughly enjoyed this new take on the episode and highly recommend
> that others read this story.
>
> Bravo, and well done, Nan!

Seconded! I really liked this story; there were so many elements
within it which appealed to me very much. I've already told Nan so
<g> but I'm not averse to adding my recommendation to Irene's.

Wendy

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Wendy wrote:
>
>And all the NON-American viewers went 'huh??' at the mention of
>'sweeps'. What do you do - send everyone up the chimney in February
><g>?
>
Well, not all of us, Wendy. <bg> Sweeps are when the networks take a look at
the ratings for their shows - which can make or break a show and decide on
its future and whether it will be cancelled or renewed for the following
season. I believe there is more than one sweeps week? Anyway, during sweeps
week  the programme makers usually either bung in a particularly hot episode
(this is usually for example when the X Files gives you a double episode -
or LNC and others for that matter) to buck the count, so to speak and bump
up their ratings if they can with a 'special premiere'. Sometimes, I
understand, if they aren't that sure of their product, they'll ensure the
show is removed from the schedule that week and put repeats in its place, so
they don't get counted.

That's probably a gross over-simplification of the subject, so I'm sure our
US friends will amplify it, but it's the gist anyway, as I've been given to
understand it! <g>

And, Lord, but I pray it never catches on over here! ;)

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:13:15 -0700 Nancy Smith
<deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
>
> Take a look on the Archive under my name.  You'll find two modest stories,
> "Dagger of the Mind" and "Dagger's Edge"  Those are mine.  While not to be
> compared with any of the great authors on the Archive, like Wendy Richards
or
> Yvonne, I got some very kind feedback about them, so I felt I needed to
tie up
> all the loose ends I left dangling.

Yvonne then replied, describing herself as a 'modest' writer.

All I can say is that if Yvonne doesn't win a Kerth next year for
Fear of Discovery (or its sequel, the first 30-odd pages of which
I've had a sneak preview <g>) then I'll be gobsmacked. And Nan ought
to be a serious contender for Best New Writer.

Wendy
(who still looks to see if Sheila or Demi are standing behind her
whenever anyone throws the term 'great writer' in her direction)

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At 11:24 AM 16/08/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Wendy wrote:
>>
>>And all the NON-American viewers went 'huh??' at the mention of
>>'sweeps'. What do you do - send everyone up the chimney in February
>><g>?
>>
>Well, not all of us, Wendy. <bg> Sweeps are when the networks take a look
at
>the ratings for their shows - which can make or break a show and decide on
>its future and whether it will be cancelled or renewed for the following
>season. I believe there is more than one sweeps week?
<snip the remainder of Wendy's explanation>

Here in Oz, we used to have what was called Ratings, where they'd show good
shows, but I think it lasted for a half a year, rather than only a week or
two.  So new shows or new seasons of good older shows would be on during
"ratings" and then during non-ratings (usually over summer) we'd get bad
shows and repeats.
I believe that ratings periods as such don't officially exist any more, but
despite that, we still get all the new seasons of good old shows starting
around the same time of year, and then we get the bad times (still during
summer, funnily enough) when they air old boring or just bad shows.  We'll
also get new movies (which would have been shown a year before on pay tv)
showing during the unofficial "ratings period" for the first time, and bad
stuff like "Atomic Train" which is on tonight during the nonratings time.
Jen.
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In a message dated 8/16/99 6:51:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, labrat@UKF.NET
writes:

<< That's probably a gross over-simplification of the subject, so I'm sure
our
 US friends will amplify it, but it's the gist anyway, as I've been given to
 understand it! <g> >>

That's a pretty good summary, LabRat.  There are 3 sweeps weeks; in
November,
February and May.  The November ones decide the fates of many new shows
which
disappear after Christmas.  The February ones probably decide most shows'
fates; and the May sweeps clean up the rest.  During these  weeks, the two
TV
ratings companies, Nielsen and Arbitron, blanket the country with polls and
surveys in addition to the people who have boxes attached to their
television
sets.  If you get one of the surveys, you're supposed to keep a diary of
what
show you watch each minute of the day and night.  I have a feeling that the
method isn't terribly accurate, as it involves a bunch of record keeping.
People can write shows down even if they aren't watching TV.   As you said,
the drama and comedy shows put on episodes they think will draw big numbers
of viewers.  The news shows do all their investigations of a scandalous
nature during these weeks.

I think it's a fairly artificial way to decide which shows are most popular.

Ann
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Ann wrote:

>I think it's a fairly artificial way to decide which shows are most
popular.
>
What baffles me, Ann, is the seeming futility of the process. The networks
must surely be wise to the production companies' attempts to skew the
figures by putting on provocative material or plots or bunging in repeats of
popular previous episodes of shows which they hope will attract more viewers
than a new episode (if the show is sinking in the ratings at the time of the
sweeps).

And the producers must surely be aware that they ain't fooling anyone one
bit - especially the networks. Given that, it seems a complete waste of time
all round and a strange way for the networks to figure out which shows are
worth spending the cash on.

Is it during the sweeps that most pre-emptions come into play? Or do
pre-emptions happen as a matter of course all the time? I must admit that
those are something that would drive me insane. We don't suffer them very
much - with the exception of the Beeb's propensity to ditch Trek for sport
at the drop of a hat - although they were guilty of doing something very
irksome and similar with the last season of X Files, when they showed half
of the season and then decided it needed a couple of months break 'for a
Christmas vacation' and didn't show the remainder until January. Quite why a
TV show *needed* a Christmas vacation baffled me, I'm afraid. What was it
doing during those months it was off the air? Stringing up its fairy lights?
Wrapping its presents?
>
LabRat :) (switching off sarcasm mode now...)
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Kathy wrote:

>Just so you all don't go to the Archive tonight then accuse LabRat of being
>a liar ... ;)
>
>The story Timeless will be posted to the Archive next Sunday (a week from
>today).  I already had several stories ready to go out last week and this
>one is so long, I didn't want to add it on to the list, or else no one
>would ever get any work done this week--they'd be reading fanfic all day
>every day. <g>
>
LOL! Thanks, Kathy.

>I haven't read it yet, myself, but it does look very interesting, and if
>Lab recommends it, you can be sure I'll be making it a priority.  So fair
>warning ... save yourself some time next Sunday.  The story is 470K. :)
>
Grief, the responsibility. <g> Well, at least I know that I don't have to
book my seats on the getaway flight and change my eddress this time around,
as I'm sure no one will regret settling down with this one. She says
innocently, while shamelessly getting in another plug. <g> And, no, I'm not
on commission. Wish I was. I'd have amassed a small fortune by now.

LabRat :)
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In a message dated 8/16/99 10:19:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, labrat@UKF.NET
writes:

<< Is it during the sweeps that most pre-emptions come into play? Or do
 pre-emptions happen as a matter of course all the time?  >>

No, most pre-emptions are during times when the networks think people won't
be watching TV much -- for example at Christmas time there are tons of
pre-emptions for Christmas specials and if a show isn't pre-empted, it's a
good bet that other than the series' Christmas shows (i.e. Seasons'
Greedings) most series will be showing reruns during December.  There are
also a lot of pre-emptions opposite special event shows like the Super Bowl.
But during sweeps week, most shows are on during their  correct time with a
really good episode.

The rest of the year, there are some households where there are boxes
attached to the television sets that automatically record what is being
watched all day long.  Those ratings are important too.

But I agree, it's a weird way to decide what shows to keep, because of the
unreliability of the method.   It guarantees that shows like Lois and Clark
can be manipulated into being cancelled by moving its time slot which is
apparently what happened in the US. If the show isn't on when people expect
it to be, they don't see it, and its ratings drop.  So if a network has
decided to cancel a show but don't have the low ratings to justify the
cancellation, they can make the ratings drop by pre-empting the show, moving
its time slot, etc. so people don't watch it, even if they want to.  They
can
put it up against a really popular show that appeals to the same audience,
etc.  I didn't discover Lois and Clark until after it had been cancelled for
a year, so I  don't know the details except second hand, but I think that is
probably what happened to it.  It was put on against the Simpsons, a cartoon
very popular with kids at 8 on Sunday nights.  I know that the time slot
made
me think L&C was a kids' show, and my kids liked to watch the Simpsons back
then.  I'm a little surprised that enough people watched it at the time to
keep it on for 4 years, not because of the show, but because of the time
slot.  I wasn't watching much TV then, so I don't know how much the network
promoted it.  It's a shame though, because I think it's one of US
television's finer efforts.

Ann
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At 03:14 PM 8/16/99 +0100, LabRat wrote:
>Ann wrote:
>
>>I think it's a fairly artificial way to decide which shows are most
>popular.
>>
>What baffles me, Ann, is the seeming futility of the process. The networks
>must surely be wise to the production companies' attempts to skew the
>figures by putting on provocative material or plots or bunging in repeats
of
>popular previous episodes of shows which they hope will attract more
viewers
>than a new episode (if the show is sinking in the ratings at the time of
the
>sweeps).

The networks are wise to the attempt to skew figures?  Surely you jest,
LabRat!  Heck, the networks are the ones pushing it!!

What Ann didn't mention is the point of the November, February, and May
sweeps:  advertising rates are set according to the number of viewers for
each program, so even if the production companies didn't come up with
something splashy or provocative on their own, the networks would demand
that they do so!

Which, of course, leads to L&C.  Once Disney decided that they wanted L&C's
timeslot for the return of The Wonderful World of Disney, TPTB at ABC
obliged by pulling L&C during the entire month of February, so our show had
*no* count for the sweeps.  (Zoom had better explain that--I'm not sure if
L&C got *no* count or if the count for the supposedly higher-rated shows
would apply to it.)  Not only that, there were no promos aired during the
so-called special events that pre-empted it, saying, "L&C will return at its
usual time in X weeks," (or more accurately, its new time, since it was
moved to a new time slot just before it was pre-empted for the entire month
of February).  As far as the rest of the world was concerned, L&C was taken
off the air during the middle of the 4th season.

The Meet John Doe and Lois & Clarks eps had a broader story-line, a bigger
special effects budget, and were designed to be heart-wrenching--just for
those February sweeps.  I can imagine ERL and BB were screaming and tearing
their hair out when they heard that the show was going to be pre-empted for
. . . what was it?  Andre the Seal?  That's also why AKA Superman, which was
about Clark's birthday, was shown late in March instead of the last week of
February.

>And the producers must surely be aware that they ain't fooling anyone one
>bit - especially the networks. Given that, it seems a complete waste of
time
>all round and a strange way for the networks to figure out which shows are
>worth spending the cash on.

Remember, though, it isn't a way for the *networks* to figure out which
shows are worth funding; it's so the advertisers can decide where to put
their advertising dollars.

Anyway, that's the way the system works here.  Everyone does it, so you'd
better play, or you'll be left in the dirt.  I know this from bitter
experience.  The small community college I work for just joined the state
system, so we are now funded by the state legislature rather than by local
property taxes.  Feeling grateful and not wanting to appear too needy, our
administration put in a budget request that was *exactly* what we needed for
the year--no padding *anywhere*.  Did the legislators appreciate our
restraint?  No.  They immediately lopped off between 10 and 20%, working off
the assumption that we'd put that much padding into it.  Now we're trying to
figure out how to run the college for the next year without laying anyone
off.  Networks and producers would be in the same boat if they didn't put
their most exciting material on during sweeps.  Advertisers would assume
that it was a show that no one wanted to watch and they would stay away in
droves.

Sheila
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Ann wrote:

>No, most pre-emptions are during times when the networks think people won't
>be watching TV much --

Thanks for clearing that up for me, Ann, with a very interesting
explanation. It's something I've wondered about.

>The rest of the year, there are some households where there are boxes
>attached to the television sets that automatically record what is being
>watched all day long.  Those ratings are important too.
>
Yes, that's what our networks base most of the TV charts on. Ours are
slightly skewed though because they include the soaps in there, which means
that the first 5 slots are always taken up with various soap episodes
through the week. People keep saying you should have a separate chart for
soaps because they mess up the real count, but so far it's never happened.

>But I agree, it's a weird way to decide what shows to keep, because of the
>unreliability of the method.   It guarantees that shows like Lois and Clark
>can be manipulated into being cancelled by moving its time slot which is
>apparently what happened in the US. If the show isn't on when people expect
>it to be, they don't see it, and its ratings drop.  So if a network has
>decided to cancel a show but don't have the low ratings to justify the
>cancellation, they can make the ratings drop by pre-empting the show,
moving
>its time slot, etc. so people don't watch it, even if they want to.

Amazing! And how irritating for the viewer and the people who work so hard
on producing the shows. It must be soul-destroying to know that you have a
great show and see it sabotaged like that.

But that is something that has always puzzled me. I can understand ratings
falling in these circumstances through loss of the casual viewer, who'll
cheerfully tune in at 8 on Friday evenings, but won't bother to go looking
for a show if it's not there any more. But I have never understood hearing
FoLCs say they lost track of the show when it moved timeslot. If I loved a
show I'd darn well find it in the schedule - even if I had to plough through
every tv mag I could find or phone the network and demand they tell me where
it's gone. <g> Not wishing to disparage anyone, but it's always seemed
strange to me that a fan of the show, who loved it, could give up on
watching it so easily, simply due to a change in its timeslot.

But I figure there has to be something I'm missing in the situation here,
thanks to my ignorance of how the US tv system truly works. Perhaps it's
down to the number of channels you have to trawl through. We have 5
t-channels and currently around 30 cable channels (they say 57, but a chunk
of them have nothing allocated to them). If you have digital, you'll find a
couple more. That sounds a lot, but when you take into account that if you
were looking for something like LNC you can winnow out channels that are
purely sports or music or shopping or documentary....you really don't have
too many to search that it would be likely to have been moved to.

So, I figure it's a bit more complicated than that your side of the pond?

LabRat :)
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LabRat pondered:
> But I have never understood hearing
> FoLCs say they lost track of the show when it moved timeslot. If I loved a
> show I'd darn well find it in the schedule - even if I had to plough
through
> every tv mag I could find or phone the network and demand they tell me
where
> it's gone. <g> Not wishing to disparage anyone, but it's always seemed
> strange to me that a fan of the show, who loved it, could give up on
> watching it so easily, simply due to a change in its timeslot.

Have many FoLCs really said that?  Like you, I'm sure that casual
viewers were lost by the truckload -- and while we fans may be
passionate, there's just not enough of us to impress a network, so the
casual viewers, unfortunately, were the ones who counted.  Plus, the
show had just undergone a major change, characterwise -- single/sexual
tension to married.  It took a while for the writers to figure out how
to handle that, so there were a number of disappointing episodes in a
row, which didn't help.  (Although I just rewatched B&C&L&C, which I
originally disliked, and there is some really cute stuff in there.  At
the time, though, I wanted more.)

Me, I kept track of it when it moved from Sunday at 8 to Sunday at 7,
and then Saturday at 8, and I kept track of which weeks would be
preemptions and which would be new episodes.  But then I'm the sort of
fan who taped the commercial breaks on other nights, in hopes of
catching an L&C promo on tape <g> so I could analyze it.  (Picture me
watching a 2-hour tape.  I fast-forward til I see commercials, watch
them carefully, then say "damn, the show's back on!" <g>) (I wouldn't
have done this on my own, I have to say, but Chris Mulder corrupted me
<g> and I do have a nice collection of promos now... including my
favorite -- "Where Do You Go?")

> It must be soul-destroying to know that you have a
> great show and see it sabotaged like that.

I don't know how the producers felt, but it was pretty agonizing on my
end.  I knew it was a great show, but it was being jerked around so much
that I also knew that the ratings were being sent through the basement.
For a while we comforted ourselves with the knowledge that ABC had
already made a deal to renew the show for a fifth season ... but we all
know how that turned out :(

Strolling down memory lane...
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At 4:05 PM +0100 8/16/99, LabRat wrote:

>But I have never understood hearing
>FoLCs say they lost track of the show when it moved timeslot. If I loved a
>show I'd darn well find it in the schedule - even if I had to plough
through
>every tv mag I could find or phone the network and demand they tell me
where
>it's gone. <g>

As Pam said, it seems to be mostly casual viewers who lost track of the
show, and those are the numbers that count. There are a lot of FoLCs, but
even at our height, we only had 1000 people on the LOISCLA listserv ...
that's out of, what? 18 million people watching L&C on a given Sunday
night?  I don't remember a lot of *FoLCs* saying they had lost track of the
timeslot, but I do remember everyone lamenting that their friends had done
so, or that they mentioned L&C at work and their co-workers said "I thought
that was canceled".

One thing on Sweeps that I haven't seen clarified is that they are just
*weeks* but entire months.  As Sheila said, the months of Nov, Feb, May. (I
believe there is also one in July, which is when there are lot of specials
on.)  So you don't just get one great episode, but hopefully 3 or 4.  And
the producers know when they are in advance so they plot out their season
accordingly.  I remember ERL & BB saying that when they map out the season
the summer before, they first plan that "something big happens in Nov, Feb
and May" then they fill in the gaps from there.  So in season 3, the
engagement was in Nov, the non-wedding (argh!) was in Feb and the New
Krypton stuff was in May.  From there, they filled in with "smaller"
episodes, like L&C planning the wedding, etc.

As for Ann's contention that Sunday at 8pm ET was a bad slot, the opposite
is true.  Actually Sunday is the biggest TV night of the week (Saturday has
the least viewers), and getting a Sunday 8 pm slot was a coup for L&C.
Yes, it was up against The Simpsons, but I don't think the target audiences
are the same.  Sometimes two kids/family shows are up against each other
(think Friday nights) but just as often, the networks will be targetting
different audiences. L&C was mainly targetting adults (the pilot was
originally filmed hoping for a 9 or 10 pm time slot, and the show was only
toned down after they got an 8pm.)  And while L&C always did very well with
kids, despite The Simpsons, the main competition in the ratings was Murder,
She Wrote, which was not a kids' show at all.

Getting moved to Sunday at 7pm was the first blow, since that really is
more of a kids' hour (primetime runs 8-11 ET on M-S, but Sunday it's 7-10
for some reason) and the move wasn't advertised well.  But the death-knell
for L&C was getting moved to Saturdays at 8pm.  As I said, Sundays have the
most television viewers while Saturdays have the least.  Saturday's at 8, 9
and 10 have been called "the death slot" by many critics since that's where
shows either go to die (or be murdered in ABC's case, since they wanted L&C
off the air) or are put originally because the network doesn't have enough
faith in them to air them during the weekdays.  And of course, it needs to
be said that the FoLC ad in USA Today was the ONLY print ad announcing the
move to Saturdays--ABC was so intent on murdering the show that they didn't
buy one piece of print advertising to tell people where it was going, and
only showed a very few tv promos.

>Perhaps it's
>down to the number of channels you have to trawl through. We have 5
>t-channels and currently around 30 cable channels

We have 4 major networks here (ABC, NBC, CBS and now Fox) and 2 minor ones
(WB and UPN) which air on "independent" stations which agree to let them
air their shows. There is also PBS, which is "public television" and often
airs more artsy or intellectual fare.  Cable offerings differ by system,
but 30 would be a low end figure.  I have digital cable and I'd estimate at
least 50-60 channels, plus all the movie channels like HBO, Cinemax, etc.

I think any fans that were on the listserv would do as you did, Lab, would
have combed the TV listings and called their stations if they didn't get
their show at the right time.  But FoLCs care enough to subscribe to a
listserv to get the most up to date information about their favorite show.
Not so for the casual fan, or even the fan who loved the show but had no

idea it was moving.

L&C moved to the 7pm on Sundays slot basically over the Christmas holiday.
The first ad I saw for the move was on New Year's Eve ... I was on vacation
at my parents' house and I literally got tears in my eyes.  Not because the
show was moving (that just made me mad <g>) but because I wasn't due to be
back at my house (several hours away) until *after* that Sunday, and my VCR
was set for 8pm!!  I had been NOMAIL over Christmas vacation so I had no
idea this was coming. It was a shock to everyone.

Luckily my mom had a VCR and I could tape it there, but the point is that
if I hadn't been watching "Dick Clark's Rockin' New Years Eve" with my
parents (oy, that's so embarrasing to admit <g>), I would have just turned
on L&C at the regular 8pm time that Sunday and discovered I had just missed
it!  I bet that happened to a lot of people.

And I already described the Saturday move, where there was NO advertising
what so ever to direct people to a new night.  Many fans surely just
assumed the show had been canceled when it just stopped appearing in ads
and on its regular day.

Oy, long post ... this stuff just brings back too many memories. <g>

Kathy

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Erin,

>I couldn't tell you for sure, but why not try Warner Brothers' virtual
site?
>I remember taking the virtual tour of the newsroom, and I'm sure you can do
>so yourself.  :)  That virtual tour URL is:
>http://virtuallot.warnerbros.com/cmp/vault/classic/superman/wnew.htm
>
>For those of you who may not know about this, the site has virtual tours of
>Clark's apartment, bedroom and closet, the DP newsroom, and Perry's office.
>

Thanks for this!  I never knew this site existed.  Can't wait to take a tour
tonight.

Yvonne
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Sorry, but this is a 'me too'.  Nan's story is entertaining, clever, and
takes away some of the more irritating cliches in L&C without breaking style
and characterisation.  It won't take up a lot of your reading time, so hurry
over to the archive and read it now!

Thank you for a very refreshing read, Nan

Yvonne
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Hey, Zoom, I finally found it!
Before he left St. Louis, Dean wrote a thank-you letter to all his fans who
contributed to the Joe Torry Foundation:

7-11-99

To everyone who helped make the Joe Torry event a tremendous success,

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. You guys make all this possible--your
support means _everything_, and I really appreciate everything you all have
done!

With love and Thanks,

Dean Cain

[Zoom, I'll scan this and send it to you so you can post it for me. Those of
you who have only seen his signature may be surprised to realize how legible
his handwriting is :)  I haven't seen a formal thank-you re the quilt,
however.]
sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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LabRat wrote:
>>But I have never understood hearing
>>FoLCs say they lost track of the show when it moved timeslot. If I loved a
>>show I'd darn well find it in the schedule - even if I had to plough
through
>>every tv mag I could find or phone the network and demand they tell me
where
>>it's gone. <g>

and Kathy wrote
>I think any fans that were on the listserv would do as you did, Lab, would
>have combed the TV listings and called their stations if they didn't get
>their show at the right time.  But FoLCs care enough to subscribe to a
>listserv to get the most up to date information about their favorite show.
>Not so for the casual fan, or even the fan who loved the show but had no
>idea it was moving.
>
>L&C moved to the 7pm on Sundays slot basically over the Christmas holiday.

I count as a fan who loved the show but didn't know it was moving.  I
didn't have a clue at that point that there was a FoLC list, or for that
matter, any type of fan network on the internet (I hadn't gotten into web
surfing at that point, and only stumbled on all you wonderful people after
finding the Archive, discovering Debby Stark's Dawning series, searching
for the continuation of the series that isn't on the Archives, and then
finally posting Debby to ask if she had written number 23 yet...)  So I
only had myself and a few friends who also watched and have a habit of
recording EVERY show that they watch with any regularity (and they lost
track of the show too).  And, of course, my husband who thought (still
thinks, for that matter) that I was completely crazy with this uhm... uh...
oh alright, this obsession of mine :)
I found it when the show moved to 7 on Sunday.  But when it moved to
Saturday...!  I had an added complication.  You see, I am an observant Jew
who doesn't watch TV (or use any electrical appliance actually) from before
sunset Friday evening to after sunset on Saturday night, and who on
Saturday night is almost always to be found in synagogue at the Saturday
evening service.  So I really lost the show when it disappeared from Sunday
and took a long time finding it again.  Then when I finally did find it, I
had to set the VCR to record, and found instead (after rushing to rewind
and watch it late each Saturday night) that, more often than not, it had
been pre-empted!!  I found the entire sitaution extremely annoying, to say
the least!
Terry
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In a message dated 8/15/99, 1:22:51 AM,
LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU writes:
<<Of course, everyone who is going to see Teri Hatcher in "Cabaret" is
"siting her" these days>>

Sandy =)

Thanks so much for sharing your encounter with us.   What a sweet picture
that makes of mother and daughter ;-)

I also wanted to let everyone know in case you aren't on the L&C
ONElist...many of us have been posting all of the reviews, sightings,
articles and such over on Demi's Lois & Clark Fantasy Land Pages Message
Boards at:

http://www.destinyy.com/boards

For AOL Users - they are also posted on the EXTRA message boards in Teri's
folder.

The entire tour is on both of these sites and I posted the first review out
of DC this morning for those that are interested =)

TTFN!

April
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From: Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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>On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:51:45 EDT "Ann E. McBride" <Aerm1@AOL.COM>
>wrote:
>>
>> Now I'm really curious!  Last summer while traveling in Scotland with my
>> children, I caught them watching some pretty steamy stuff on TV.  Having
>> already spent a lot of time in France over the years, I wasn't shocked or
>> even surprised -- just assumed it was typical European TV fare.  Should I
>> reassess my original thought and figure that it was NOT on BBC but some
cable
>> channel?  I had no idea that censorship on TV existed on your side of the
>> pond when it came to consensual, sensual relationships.
>
>
>Well, first of all, what you saw may not have been on the BBC! But
>the thing about L&C is that the BBC decided that it was a kid's
>programme and put it on in an early evening slot - a start
>time of anything between 6 pm and 6.45 pm on Saturday evenings.
>Repeats were shown at 8.45 am on Saturdays, or in the school summer
>holidays. As such, any reference to an adult relationship got
>snipped.
>
>I'm only learning just how much got cut now, and it's beginning to
>make me reassess my view that I didn't care as much for the programme
>once it got to Season 4. With all the real romantic/relationship
>stuff cut out, it's no wonder I didn't think the writers developed
>them as a couple!
>
>On British TV there is something known as a 'watershed'; it means
>that more 'adult' stuff can get shown after 9pm, and up until then
>things can get progressively more adult in theme anyway. So yes, you
>would get nudity on British TV, but later. There is also a division
>between the two 'popular' terrestrial channels (BBC1 and ITV) and the
>'minority' ones (BBC2 and Channel 4). You'll tend to get more adult
>stuff on the latter two - less likely to get complaints since these
>channels are expected to cater for minority interests. Hence earlier
>this year Channel 4 showed a drama series called Queer as Folk,
>about the lives and lifestyles of a group of young men, friends, who
>also happened to be gay. That would never have made it onto the two
>'mainstream' channels.
>
>That's probably more than you want to know about British TV, Anne -
>and I've not even touched on cable or Sky!
>
>Wendy
>----------------------
>Wendy Richards
>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
>
>Dear Wendy,

I've been watching LnC on the BBC, and I notice that they cut some of the
romantic moments from the show. They're coming up to the Krypton Arc next
week, and I think that they'll probably cut quite a bit of that.
Did you write the story 'Curtain Twitchers'?   If you did, could you post it
to the archive or email it to me.  I am over eighteen, (if it's an nfic),
and promise not to distribute it.

Thanks,
Liz
ereid@iol.ie
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At 1:23 PM +0100 8/15/99, Elizabeth Reid wrote:

>Did you write the story 'Curtain Twitchers'?   If you did, could you post
it
>to the archive or email it to me.  I am over eighteen, (if it's an nfic),
>and promise not to distribute it.

Liz, this story was just posted to this fanfic listserv this weekend; it's
not an nfic.  You should have received it unless you just joined the list.
If you missed it, go to

http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html

and click on this week ... it should be there.  In fact, all our posts are
archived there.  It's a great resource for catching up on old
threads/fanfic if you've just recently joined us.

Kathy

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Pam wrote:

>I don't know how the producers felt, but it was pretty agonizing on my
>end.  I knew it was a great show, but it was being jerked around so much
>that I also knew that the ratings were being sent through the basement.
>For a while we comforted ourselves with the knowledge that ABC had
>already made a deal to renew the show for a fifth season ... but we all
>know how that turned out :(
>

At the risk of boring everyone who knows how it turned out, can you tell me,
someone who's seen this referred to a few times, but has never got the full
story?

Yvonne
(who's so glad we've got two channels not ruled by advertisers, even if one
of them does cut vast chunks out of her favourite TV series)

(...and who's also realised she shouldn't be too mean about the BBC, since
she sings in one of its choirs...)
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I no longer want to get the fan fic list at my work email.  How do I stop
it.

MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James
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In a message dated 8/16/99 1:16:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
horowit@UMIACS.UMD.EDU writes:

<< I count as a fan who loved the show but didn't know it was moving.  I
 didn't have a clue at that point that there was a FoLC list, or for that
 matter, any type of fan network on the internet .....Then when I finally
did
find it, I
had to set the VCR to record, and found instead (after rushing to rewind
and watch it late each Saturday night) that, more often than not, it had
been pre-empted!!  I found the entire sitaution extremely annoying, to say
the least! >>

Exactly. Some of us who knew where and when Lois and Clark had moved, would
be sitting in a Lois and Clark chat room on AOL and little by little
bewildered fans would straggle in asking, "Has Lois and Clark been
canceled?"
 When fans, and these weren't "casual viewers", start asking that, you know
a
show might as well be canceled when a network has treated it so badly.  It
was pulled for the whole month of February in 97 without *one* reminder from
the network that the hiatus was temporary and that Lois and Clark would be
returning. Suddenly Susan on NBC, on the other  hand, was pulled during
sweeps, but NBC kept advertising that it would be returning. How would Lois
and Clark viewers have even a clue that the show was returning? They
wouldn't.

When Lois and Clark was dumped on Saturday, it was already decided that ABC
wanted it dead. The Hollywood Reporter had a blurb in April of 97 that ABC
was trying to worm out of its deal with Warner Brothers to give Lois and
Clark a fifth season. Brad Bucker, Executive Producer of Lois and Clark,
said
that fans' "Folc Ad" (a big thank you posted by fans in Variety) was the
*only* print notice that Lois and Clark was even *on* Saturday night. ABC
sure didn't run any. It was important at this point for ABC to make Lois and
Clark looked as bad as possible. I have to hand it to the series though, it
kept making a liar of ABC even in the graveyard slot on Saturday. Of "Lois
and Clark", "Leaving L.A." and Robert Altman's anthology drama "Gun", Lois
and Clark was the only show dumped on Saturday that kept improving its
ratings while the other two dramas, both heavily advertised as opposed to
L&C, kept falling in the ratings.

Logic would dictate that ABC should keep the show that kept improving on
Saturday and can the other two, but logic and ABC have little in common.
What
ABC did was pre-empt L&C (repeatedly, and often with so little warning that
local TV guides still listed the show) for great films like Andre the Seal
and My Girl 2 <g> All of the movies that pre-empted Lois and Clark did
poorer
in the ratings. I'll also add that they did worse even though *they* got
print ads and Lois and Clark did not. Killing Lois and Clark was a
deliberate
act of sabotage, and a thorough one so that Disney could return to Sunday
night. Disney, having taken over ABC, wanted to get rid of shows in favor of
Disney product. Unfortunately for Disney, the 8 shows they debuted the
following season all tanked. Disney had to then sober up and realize that a
commercial network runs on ad revenues and even they have to play by those
rules. Too bad they didn't find that out the season before.

One last word on Lois and Clark. It was the only show in the fifty year
history of ABC that consistently won its time slot on Sunday night. No show
prior to Lois and Clark and certainly none since, has ever don that.

Zoomway@aol.com
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Title:  Starfire and Sunstorm, Chapter 4 - Superman
Author:  Irene Dutchak
Parts: 2
Rating: G
Feedback:  All feedback, both public and private is welcome.
Summary:  Continuing sequel to "Firestorm

This chapter needs to be read in order after "Firestorm", and "Starfire
and Sunstorm - Parts One, Two and Three".

This chapter was very difficult for me to write.  The accident that
happens to Marty at the beginning actually happened to my 9 year old
niece. She was lucky and miraculously escaped serious injury although
she has had to take it easy for the last couple of months.

Without further ado:

"Uncle Jimmy!  Uncle Jimmy!  Look at me!"

Jimmy watched as one of his honorary nephews launched himself
exuberantly from the high diving board.  He waited and gave Sam a
thumbs up as soon as his head emerged from the water, then Jimmy turned
back to little three year old Vicky who was in the wading pool with
him.

Jimmy had offered to take the kids swimming.  Lois and Clark had been
under a great deal of stress recently, and they had some issues to work
out - or at least one issue. With four kids, they didn't have
uninterrupted time too often, and it was imperative that they have some
privacy in order to make a very important decision.

Lois had been pushing Clark for at least two years to tell the older
two boys that their father wore spandex a good part of the time.  Clark
was extremely reluctant.  Jimmy didn't understand all of Clark's
motivations, but he realised that the major focus of Clark's life was
protecting his family. He knew that Clark clung to his secret, not
wanting to share it with anyone else, not even his own children.  He
feared that his family would someday pay for his crime-fighting career.

Personally, Jimmy felt that Lois and Clark had almost left this
decision too late.  He felt that the impact on the boys would have been
lessened if they had been told earlier.  He could be wrong; only time
would tell. Unfortunately, this issue had been creating a great deal of
tension between the two of them. It was only the fact that Lois was so
completely sensitive to Clark's feelings that had made her agree to
delay this decision for so long.  But when Jimmy had picked up the
children, he could tell that Lois was done with waiting.  She obviously
planned on pinning Clark down on this issue once and for all.

"Uncle Jimmy!"  Jimmy looked back at the high diving board.  It was
Jon's turn. He also got a thumbs up from his uncle. Sam and Jon were
both good divers.  They were very much enjoying the use of the high
diving board. However, Marty was restricted to the low diving board,
and she wasn't happy about it.  But Jimmy really didn't feel that she
was old enough, or competent enough at nine years old to use the high
board.  And of course, at three years old, little Victoria Lucy (Vicky
for short) was content to stay in the wading pool with her Uncle Jimmy.

It was surprising how different the kids were, one from another in
physical appearance.  Jon and Sam were not identical twins.  Jon was
dark, like his father with black hair and dark brown, almost black
eyes.  His eyes had an exotic slant to them, and his high cheekbones
added to his distinctive appearance.

His twin, however, looked like the boy next door.  Sam had light brown
hair.  Jimmy would have had no idea where Sam had got hair like that if
he hadn't met Lois's sister, Lucy.  Sam also had his Grandma Ellen's
roundish face.

Marty was a sturdy looking little girl.  Against all the laws of
genetics, she had inherited her Grandma Ellen's blonde hair. And even
though Jimmy knew there was no blood relationship between them, she had
the sturdy frame of her Papa Kent.

Vicky, even at three, was an exotic elf of a child.  Her features were
delicate.  Like Jon, she had her father's dark hair and eyes, and
interesting bone structure, but had also inherited her mother's creamy
complexion.

Jimmy sat down in the wading pool, and graciously allowed Vicky to pour
a couple of buckets of water over his head.  Finally he stood up to
scan for the older kids as he did automatically every few minutes.
There was Sam. And Jon...?  Okay - there he was going down the water
slide.  But where was Marty?  He visually searched the deep end, then
the shallow end, the slide and the low diving board.  He was just
considering picking up Vicky and leaving the wading pool to search for
his wayward niece when his eyes caught sight of Marty doggedly climbing
the ladder to the high diving board. His heart leapt into his throat.
She looked so tiny as she neared the top. As she reached for the bars
at the top of the ladder, Jimmy started to relax in relief.  Too soon!
Her hand slipped, and Jimmy watched aghast as little Marty came
plummeting down!

"Crack!"  Jimmy had never heard a more horrendous sound.  He moved
towards her even before she hit, unconsciously scooping Vicky into his
arms. Sam and Jon had both turned at the sound of her impact.  They
were shocked to see their sister lying motionless on the concrete
beside the pool.  They raced to her side arriving at the same instant
as their uncle.

"Marty, Honey, can you hear me?"  Jimmy thrust Vicky at her brothers
and knelt beside the little girl.

Her eyes slowly fluttered open, and she looked at him. "Uncle Jimmy?"
her voice quavered. She was a pitiful sight, twisted and motionless. A
little blood trickled out of her one ear.

"Don't move, Sweetheart. Please?"

"I don't want to move." She closed her eyes again.

The lifeguard pushed his way through the crowd of children and adults
that had gathered near them, telling them to move back as he came.  He
knelt down to check her breathing.

"Don't let her move. I'll go call 911." He got up and started to move
away.

It took only a second for those words to register in Jimmy's brain. 'Oh
no!' he thought in a panic, 'I can't let them take her to the
hospital.'  Thankfully Jimmy remembered his signal watch.  Clark had
asked Dr. Klein for a replacement, and had requested that Jimmy wear it
when he baby-sat the children.

Jimmy pressed in the signal button, and held his breath. "Whoosh." He
exhaled thankfully as he saw his friend land in a swirl of red, yellow
and blue.  But when he saw the look on Superman's face as he caught
sight of Marty's twisted little body, Jimmy couldn't feel the same
sense of relief. Thank goodness the bystanders moved out of the way for
Superman, because if they hadn't, Jimmy realised that Superman would
have walked right over them! If the Super-hero didn't control himself,
people would know that something unusual had happened. Jimmy took a
quick look around and realised that he and the kids were alone,
bordered on one side by a semicircle of very interested bystanders, and
on the other side by the pool.  He had to do something. This was a
desperate and dangerous situation. He took a chance, faced away from
the crowd, and spoke quietly but intensely, trusting that others
wouldn't be able to hear him.

"Clark, I know you're panicking, but you can't come barrelling in here
being the upset daddy!  You have to calm down if you want to help your
daughter."  Superman's stride faltered as Jimmy's words hit home. His
face changed, becoming mask-like as he acknowledged the truth of his
friend's advice. Without altering his forward advance, he instructed
the lifeguard to move all the bystanders back out of the way.

Sam and Jon looked at Jimmy open-mouthed, and then turned to the figure
of the Super-hero as he advanced on them.

"Dad?" Jon gasped, loudly.

"That's a good idea, Jon. We should give your mom and dad a call,"
Jimmy agreed, also loudly.  He continued, lowering his voice. "We'll
talk about this at home, guys. We can't talk here.  Now be quiet so
Superman can check Marty."

He watched as Superman scanned Marty from head to toe. He did it a
second time, more slowly this time, and then smiled. "She's shaken up,
but I don't see any damage to her neck or back.  She's going to bruise
though." He bent down and tenderly scooped up his little girl. "I have
a friend who's a very good doctor. I'll take her to him so he can
double-check that she'll be okay." He looked at Jimmy who was again
holding little Vicky in his arms.

"It was an accident, Superman ... "

"I know it was, Jimmy. Don't worry. I think she'll be fine.  Why don't
you take her brothers and her sister home?" Superman's eyes darted to
the boys. He winced as he caught sight of their slack-jawed expressions
of astonishment. He leaned in towards his friend and spoke as quietly
as he could. "Would you phone Bernie and let him know what happened,
and that I'm taking Marty to him?  We'll need privacy."

Jimmy nodded in response to his friend's suggestion.  He knew that
their conversation sounded stilted and unnatural, but they were
speaking more for the sake of the crowd.  They would talk later. And he
was just so shaken.  He could still hear the horrible sound that Marty
had made when she hit the deck.  And the sight of her little body, clad
in her bright pink floral swimsuit, and so twisted as she lay unmoving
on the ground, he'd never forget it as long as he lived.

As Superman launched himself into the air with Marty cradled carefully
in his arms, Jimmy turned back to the boys.  Their expressions hadn't
changed.  Their faces were still blank, completely slack with shock,
and their mouths both still hung open as they watched the superhero
disappear with their sister.  As Jimmy watched, Sam blinked first, and
then Jon, and together they turned to look at the spot where their
sister had landed.  The concrete was badly cracked by the impact. Sam
sat down suddenly as his knees gave out.  Jon looked for a long moment
at the cracked concrete, looked back into the air at the tiny,
disappearing dot, and then back at the concrete once more. He slowly
sat down beside his twin.

Jimmy held Vicky closer in his arms. He sighed. It was going to be a
long ride home.

***

Dr. Klein looked intently into first one, then the other of Marty's
ears. He checked her eyes.  He didn't take x-rays - that wouldn't be
possible - but he listened carefully to Superman as he described what
he was able to see when he scanned inside Marty.

"She's a very lucky girl." Dr. Klein smiled reassuringly at Superman.
"Other than a slight rupture in one eardrum, she's not hurt, but she is
a little shaken up."

"But she's so tired. She can barely keep her eyes open."  Superman
looked wistfully at Marty on the examining table.

Dr. Klein looked at Marty and then back at Superman before he spoke.
"This is just a theory, but ... she should have been badly hurt, even
killed.  I think her Kryptonian heritage saved her, but as her powers
aren't fully developed, there was a huge energy drain on her system.
It's the only thing that I can think of that makes sense.  She has no
head injury that would account for the fatigue.  I think we'll find
that she'll be back to normal by tomorrow."  He patted Superman on the
shoulder. Superman exhaled shakily.

"I can't thank you enough, Bernie."

"It's okay, Cla ... Superman.  You know how I feel about your ... these
kids.  They're just like my own."

"I know, Bernie."  Superman rubbed his face with a visibly shaking
hand.

Dr. Klein gripped him firmly by the arm. "Listen to me.  She'll be
fine.  You need to stop worrying."

"It's not that, Bernie."

"What is it, then?"

"The boys heard Jimmy call me 'Clark' and it hit home all over again.
I'll never fit in completely, will I?  It doesn't matter how hard I
try, I'll always be different, never be normal.  And my kids will never
be normal either. How can I face them?"

Dr. Klein laughed.  "Clark, you're obsessing again!  You need to stop
blaming yourself for everything. Of course, you're not completely
normal - how could you be? You're from another planet.  But Clark, I
don't fit in either, and I can't use that for an excuse!"

Superman smiled wryly. "Thanks, Bernie. You know I need a kick in the
pants every once in a while."

Dr. Klein grinned at him. Turning serious, he continued, "There's one
other thing you need to remind yourself of, over and over again.  If
your daughter weren't 'different', if she did 'fit in', she would be
dead right now, or at least very, very badly injured and most
definitely brain damaged. Not being normal is a small price to pay for
your daughter's well being in my opinion.  Now, you better get this one
home to Lois.  She needs to be in bed. I'll stop by later to check on
her, okay?"

Superman nodded.  He turned back to his daughter and carefully scooped
her into his arms. Her eyes flickered open, and she looked him full in
the face for the first time since the accident.

"Daddy?"

He smiled at her, and tenderly kissed her cheek. "Yes."

"You're Superman."

"Yes, I am."

Marty closed her eyes for a moment, then opened them again.

"Cool!" She smiled briefly, and closed her eyes again.

***

Continued in part two.

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Continued from Part One.

Lois met Jimmy, Vicky, and the boys at the door when they arrived home.
 She kissed the boys in greeting. "Dr. Klein says Marty is going to be
just fine.  She's asleep in her room right now."

Lois spoke calmly but it was obvious to Jimmy that she was very shaken
up.  She had become better at hiding her emotions since she had
children, but she still couldn't fool him.

Clark stood behind Lois, waiting patiently in the hallway. As his
children came in, he moved hesitantly towards them only to see his two
boys flinch at his approach.  Only Vicky greeted him wholeheartedly in
her normal exuberant fashion, throwing herself into his arms for a hug.
Jon and Sam disappeared quickly up the stairs towards their bedroom.
Clark's eyes met Lois's over the top of Vicky's little head.  They
turned to Jimmy.

"I'm so sorry, guys.  I told her not to go on the high diving board
but..."

Lois sighed. "It's okay, Jimmy.  It's not your fault.  I'm just so glad
that she's going to be all right."

"What did Dr. Klein say?"

Lois quickly filled him in on what Dr. Klein had theorised about
Marty's system.

Jimmy grew a bit concerned about Clark. He hadn't said a word yet.
"Clark, did Marty figure it out too?"

"Yes."  Clark's lips tightened in a brief parody of his normal smile.
"She thinks it's cool."

"Not bad. Four children.  One down, one on hold, and two to go." Jimmy
tried to joke, but no one even cracked a smile.

Lois moved to stand beside her husband and her daughter. "Did they say
anything on the way home?"

"Not a word."

Lois tilted her head in thought. "Well, maybe they don't really..."

"No!" Jimmy and Clark spoke simultaneously.  Jimmy fell silent, letting
Clark continue.

"No, Lois," Clark repeated.  "They know.  I could see it in their eyes
at the pool, and it was obvious when they saw me just now." He turned
away and sat down on the stairs, still cuddling Vicky close. "You've
been wanting us to tell them for a while now.  I guess you were right.
It was only a matter of time until they found out by accident."

Lois sat down on the step beside Clark and put her arms around him.
Jimmy interrupted before she could say anything.

"Clark, why don't I take Vicky into the playroom so you and Lois can
talk, and ... talk to the boys too."

Lois smiled at him. "Good idea, Jimmy. And Jimmy, thanks."  She
loosened Clark's grip on the little girl and passed her over to Jimmy's
arms.  Jimmy hesitated for a second. "I'm sorry, Clark. I spoke without
thinking.  They wouldn't have figured it out if I hadn't said
anything."

"It's okay, Jimmy.  We were going to tell them anyway. It was time for
them to know." He sighed. "I just wish I had been the one to tell
them."

Lois leaned into Clark's side. The two of them were silent as they
watched Jimmy and Vicky leave the room.

With elbows resting on his knees, Clark laid his head in his hands.  He
ran his fingers through his hair. "I guess we should go talk to them."

"I guess so." Lois gently squeezed his shoulders.  "Do you want me to
do the talking?"

"Yes...No...Maybe.  I don't know, Lois. I don't even know what I'm
going to say."

Lois stood up and extended her hand to him. "Well, whatever you're
going to say, we better get on with it."

He slowly took her hand, and let her pull him to his feet.

Together, they slowly mounted the stairs.

As they walked down the hall, Clark took a moment to check on Marty.
She was sleeping soundly. Thank God, she was all right.  Seeing her
lying on the concrete had to be one of the most terrifying moments in
his life.  He prayed that there wouldn't be any more like that.

They stopped in front of the boys' bedroom and knocked on the door.

"Come in."

Lois and Clark entered the room and sat down together on Jon's bed.
The twins sat cross-legged facing each other on Sam's bed.  They turned
and swung their legs around to face their parents.

"Are you boys all right?" Clark tried to look them in the eyes, but
they both averted their gaze from him.

"Fine."  "We're fine."

Clark looked at Lois helplessly.  She motioned to him to continue.

"I guess you figured something out today."

"Yeah."  "Guess so."

They sat in silence for a long, tense moment.  Finally, in frustration,
Lois turned to Clark.

"Honey, why don't you take the boys and go... you know?  I want to come
too, but...well, I know Jimmy's here and everything, but I should stay
with Marty."

Clark turned to Lois, and spoke softly, "Where should I take them?"

"It doesn't really matter. Someplace quiet. You do need to get a lot of
things out in the open.  I figure the best thing to do is take them...
you know." She made an unobtrusive hand gesture.

"I should..." Clark made a twirling motion with her hand. "in front of
them?"

"Yes. We have to bring everything out in the open.  We can't even talk
about it here - we're tiptoeing around the subject like it doesn't even
exist.  Oh, listen to me, 'the subject', I'm still doing it! Anyway, I
think it's a good idea, but I want to watch when you ... you know."
Lois glanced at her two poker-faced boys and then back at Clark. She
muttered under her breath, "Maybe you'll at least get a reaction out of
them.

Clark jumped to his feet relieved to have something to 'do' instead of
something to 'say'.  For someone who made his living working with
words, he had a terrible time verbalising his emotions.

Spinning in place, he transformed himself from Clark Kent, mild
mannered reporter into Superman, resident Super-hero of Metropolis.  He
was pleased to see that he had managed to wipe the blank expression off
his boys' faces. To be sure, the shocked and sullen expressions now on
their faces were only a small improvement.

"Come on, boys. We're going flying!"  He pulled Sam and Jon to their
feet and wrapped an arm around each one of their waists.  Lois ran to
their bedroom window and opened it.

"Hold on tight, guys."  And they were gone.

Lois sat down on the bed.  It wasn't really funny but their
expressions... She laughed hysterically, but only too soon, her
laughter turned to tears. She would never, ever forget the sight of
Marty lying limply in her dad's arms.  What a day! And she knew; it
wasn't over yet.

***

Superman glanced surreptitiously at his two boys as they soared through
the sky.  They wore identical expressions of wonderment as they watched
the world pass by below them.  He made a point of travelling over
exciting sites like waterfalls, and white water rapids. He flew high
enough that no one on the ground could see them.

He gave the boys a good half-hour of sightseeing before he swooped down
to a clearing in a forest.  He set the boys on their feet and stepped
back from them.  He smiled as he quickly spun back into his street
clothes.  Clark sat down on a handy fallen tree and patted the trunk to
each side of him. "Come on, boys. Sit down.  We have a lot to talk
about."

Sam and Jon hesitantly moved forward and sat down beside him.  Clark
wrapped an arm around each boy.  "Before I start talking, I think I
want to ask you what you're thinking right now. Who's going to go
first?"

There was a long silence.  Clark waited patiently. Finally Sam piped
up.

"You're from Krypton, right?" he asked in a small voice.

Clark nodded.

"Mom's from Earth, and you're not.  Are you really our dad?"

Clark could see the worry in Sam's face.  He looked at Jon and saw the
same expression there.  He quickly pulled the boys closer, and wrapped
his arms even tighter around their shoulders. "Of course I am!"

"Does that mean we're half-Kryptonian?  Are we going to have super
powers too?"

"Yes, you are.  And I think so.  You could see everything on the ground
when we flew here, couldn't you?"

Sam and Jon both nodded.

"Well, you shouldn't have been able to.  You both seem to have
super-vision."

"Do you think we could fly if we tried?" Sam hopefully peered up at
Clark.

"I don't know, Sam.  I was eighteen the first time I flew.  But I don't
know if you'll develop the same way I did. We'll just have to wait and
see. Before we go home, we'll see what you can do, okay?"

Sam nodded, and lapsed into a thoughtful silence.

"How about you, Jon?  What are you thinking?"

Jon shook his head.  "I don't know, Dad. I'm pretty confused right
now."

"I know, Buddy, and it's my fault.  I should have told you sooner."

"Why didn't you?" Jon's voice wobbled a bit.

Clark looked away from them for a moment, trying to gather his
thoughts.  "There are a couple of big reasons, guys.  There's not much
that can hurt us, but your mom is from Earth.  You know that bad guys
are always trying to hurt Superman.  What do you think they would do to
Superman's wife, or to his friends, or his family?  What about Uncle
Jimmy, or Uncle Perry?  Then there's Aunt Alice, Uncle Bernie, Grandma
and Grandpa Kent, Grandma and Grandpa Lane.  I mean, how would you
feel, Jon, if someone hurt your Aunt Lucy, or your Uncle Brian, or your
cousins, just to get back at you? Or, how would you feel, Sam, if
someone hurt Astrid? This is a pretty big secret, and your mom and I
wanted to wait until you were old enough to keep it.  Maybe we waited
too long."

Clark watched the expressions change on the boys' faces as they
assimilated what he had said. Sam winced when he mentioned Astrid.
Finally, Jon spoke up. "I wish we hadn't found out.  This changes a
lot."

"Yes, it does, Jon.  But you know one thing that hasn't changed. I'm
still your father, and I still love you and Sam very much.  You, your
mother and your sisters, you're my whole life. I am thankful every
minute of every day that I have such a wonderful family." He wrapped
his arms tighter around the boys.

"Can I tell Astrid?"  Sam asked plaintively.

Clark hesitated. He knew that Astrid was going to have to know
eventually, but she was only nine.  On the other hand, Marty knew now,
and the two girls were such close friends. And Sam had never been able
to keep anything secret from her - had never wanted to, for that
matter.

"Could you wait a little while, Sam?  Let's talk to Uncle Bernie about
it. If he thinks she should know, we'll tell her, okay?"

"Uncle Bernie knows?" Sam asked.

"Yeah.  He helped your mother and I have children. There's no way we
would have been able to have kids without his help."  Clark briefly
thought of Lee, the other person who had made a major contribution to
the conception of his children.  He knew, however, that he did not want
to tell Sam that someday Sam and Astrid's daughter would be a time
traveller.  That would remain a secret that would hopefully never be
shared.  "I should tell you who knows.  It's a very short list. Uncle
Bernie, Uncle Jimmy, Grandma and Grandpa Kent, your mom, and you two.
Oh, and Marty figured it out today, too."

Jon sighed.  He buried his face in his dad's chest.  Clark could hear
him sniffle a little bit.  He gently tipped his son's face up to meet
his gaze.  "Jon, what are you thinking?"

His son's eyes brimmed with tears.  "Dad, I'm already different.  You
know the kids at school tease me about my painting.  I don't want to be
MORE different!"

Clark tenderly kissed the boy on the forehead. He sighed. "I know
exactly how you feel. I never wanted to be different either.  But
there's nothing we can do about that.  You two are different.  You will
always be different, but that doesn't mean you won't be happy. I wish I
could fix this and make this go away, but I can't.  I've found my own
answer to the problem of fitting in.  I hide what I can do most of the
time, and I pretend to be someone else the rest of the time.  At least
I can help others that way, and still feel like I'm living a normal
life.  You kids are going to have to find your own answers.  It might
be exactly the same answer as mine, or it might be different.  Your mom
and I will help you. And you can help each other too."

Sam and Jon regarded each other solemnly before looking back up at
their father.

Time to lighten the mood, Clark thought. "One other thing, guys," Clark
smiled tenderly at his two sober-faced boys, "super-powers can be a lot
of fun sometimes.  Do you guys want to fly some more?"

"Yeah!" "You bet!"

***

An hour later, they once again landed on the ground.

"Dad, that was so cool!" Sam enthused.

Jon agreed excitedly.

Clark hugged them tight for a second, before setting them on their
feet.  "Are you guys ready to take inventory, and figure out what you
can do?"

The boys nodded vigorously.  Clark surveyed the interested and alert
expressions on their faces - much better than the poker faces from
before.

"Let's start with heat vision, okay?"

***

Much later, they had mapped out what Sam and Jon could do, and what
they could nearly do.  They both had heat vision.  Their control wasn't
good, but luckily they had to focus pretty intently on this one ability
so at least, they wouldn't be setting any fires by accident. They both
had x-ray vision. Again, they had to expend a great deal of effort to
achieve this. Clark made a mental note to arrange for lead crystal
glasses for them. Their hearing was enhanced although it wasn't as
acute as his was.  Jon was a great deal stronger than Sam was, but Sam
could almost fly.  He couldn't launch himself into the air, but after
Clark threw him up into the sky, he was able to control his descent
without a great deal of difficulty.  Jon on the other hand, plummeted
to the ground like a stone. Clark made a point of catching him.  He
didn't want to test their invulnerability yet -- or ever, to be honest.

***

The three of them swooped into the house through the open window in the
boys' bedroom.

After spinning quickly into his everyday clothing, Clark turned back to
the boys. "Remember, you can't tell anyone about this.  It's too
dangerous for your mom, and for our friends."

"Don't worry, Dad.  We won't tell, will we, Sam?" Jon looked over to
his twin.

"No we won't, Dad," Sam agreed, reluctantly.

"Why don't you boys scan the house and see if you can find your
mother?"

"She's in Marty's room with Dr. Klein," Jon informed Clark after a
moment of intense concentration.

"And Astrid's in the playroom with Vicky!" Sam enthused.  He started to
hurry to the door, only to be brought up short by his father's hand on
his arm.

"Remember, Sam, not a word to Astrid.  We'll tell her, but not just
yet, okay?"

Sam nodded slowly.  His gleeful expression dampened a bit, but he still
exuded an air of barely repressed excitement. He left the room quickly.
 Clark and Jon could hear him thumping down the stairs towards the
playroom. Jon sighed, and leaned a little closer into his father's
side.  Clark took Jon by the hand and led him to the bed to sit down.

"Are you okay, Jon?"

Jon looked forlornly at his father.  Somehow, everything he had gone
through that day - the shock of learning about his dad, the flight,
experimenting with his powers, everything - it all combined in his
head, and gave him the words to verbalise something that he had always
felt, but had never been able to say before. "Daddy, when there's just
Sam and me, we're best friends.  But every time Astrid comes over, he
just ... forgets all about me. Is there something wrong with me?" he
asked plaintively.

With one quick motion, Clark shifted his little boy onto his lap. "Oh,
Jon."  His throat tightened.  "I know this is hard for you.  There's
nothing wrong with you, and Sam loves you, you know that. But, in a
way, this is my fault too.  I made you boys different, you're part
Kryptonian because of me, and well, Sam acts very Kryptonian around
Astrid."

"Acts Kryptonian?"

"Kryptonians fall in love very intensely, and for forever.  I felt the
same way about your mom the very first time I ever saw her. It was like
the rest of the world didn't exist for me any longer.  I don't know how
to explain it exactly, but ... a really strong bond forms between two
people who are meant to marry.  Sam seems to feel it with Astrid even
more than I did with your mom."

"You mean, Sam and Astrid are going to get married someday?"

Once again, Clark thought about Lee. "Yes, probably, Jon."

"Yuck!"

Clark had to smile.  "You won't always feel that way about girls and
marriage, Jon!"

"Do you think I'll feel that way about someone some day?"

"I don't know, Jon.  You might, and you might not. We'll have to wait
and see."

Clark cuddled his son, enjoying the moment.  His boys didn't sit on his
lap too often anymore as they were getting pretty big.  He hadn't
realised how much he had missed it, until this moment with Jon.

"You know what, Jon?"

"What, Dad?"

"I feel really close to you right now.  I mean, you've been growing up
and changing so much. And you have your painting.  Sometimes I've felt
like you've been growing away from your mom and me.  You know we love
your paintings, and we're so proud of what you've accomplished, but we
don't understand the world that you've become a part of. I've missed
talking to you.  It's a hard thing for a father to admit that his child
has grown beyond him, but you have when it comes to your art.  But
this, these powers, they're something we can share, that I can still
teach you.  Someday, you won't need me anymore for this either, but for
right now, I'm going to enjoy it."

Jon threw his arms around his father's neck.  "I love you, Dad, and
I'll always need you."

Clark rocked his son back and forth.  He knew it wasn't true, that Jon
wouldn't always need him as he did right now, but he was content for
the moment.

End of Chapter Four - Superman

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Kathy wrote:

<< Oy, long post ... this stuff just brings back too many memories. <g> >>

Yes, and now I'm seriously getting sad over here! :(  Excellent post
though...I hate abc...<g>

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Thanks everyone who posted on this thread - all very interesting and it made
the situation a lot clearer to me and cleared up a long held puzzle.

I think I slightly muddied the waters earlier by not making it clear that
when I talk about FoLCs, I'm usually referring to anyone who's a fan, rather
than fans just online or on the list. The FoLCs I was referring to who
mentioned to me that they had given up on the show when it was moved in the
schedule, were US fans I corresponded with by snail mail, long before I came
online. They knew that the show had moved to another timeslot, but they
weren't prepared to go searching for it. Yet they obviously weren't casual
fans either - in every other way they were as rabid as any other FoLC you'd
find here on this list. <G> They seemed almost to have given up on it before
it was cancelled - as though moving to another timeslot equated to
cancellation in their pov and it wasn't worth expending any more emotional
investment in the show as soon as it moved.

It was a rather strange and puzzling dichotomy for me and I never could
understand how they could give up on something they loved apparently so
easily. Although I recognised that I was probably missing something from the
big picture simply because I don't watch TV in the US. <g>

I *can* see, from what I've read today,  how you could easily lose track of
a show treated so poorly by the network in among so many channels. And,
actually, I've also realised that it may well also have been down to
schedule apathy. I know that, personally, I very rarely get involved with
any new US shows which appear on Sky these days - simply because I'm not
willing to get myself emotionally invested in a show which won't last 6
episodes before it's shot down in flames by a network. It's simply not worth
the pain. I now wait until it's got at least 3 seasons under its belt and
then dive around fellow fans looking for tapes of the seasons I've missed.
<g> Which is a terribly awkward way to work, but less strenuous on my poor
heart. Never occurred to me to equate the two until now, but I guess that
those US fans could very well have been so fed up with losing their
favourite shows by backdoor network politics that they just couldn't work up
the energy to travel around with LNC before the inevitable plug was pulled.

Thanks for shedding some light, guys. Should really have thought to ask that
question long since! Would have saved me a lot of bafflement, really. ;)

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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"Louie - you are one sick lizard."
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Hi all,

Did Clark ever send flowers to Lois?

Liz
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Yes, he did.  He sent her yellow roses at the end of "The Prankster",
and other flowers a couple of times during the third season (Virtually
Destroyed comes to mind)  He also brought her red roses at the end of
"Dead Lois Walking".

Elizabeth Reid wrote:

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Yes, he did.&nbsp; He sent her yellow roses at the end of "The Prankster",
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Destroyed comes to mind)&nbsp; He also brought her red roses at the end
of "Dead Lois Walking".

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Zoomway wrote:

Killing Lois and Clark was a deliberate
> act of sabotage, and a thorough one so that Disney could return to Sunday
> night. Disney, having taken over ABC, wanted to get rid of shows in favor
of
> Disney product. Unfortunately for Disney, the 8 shows they debuted the
> following season all tanked. Disney had to then sober up and realize that
a
> commercial network runs on ad revenues and even they have to play by those
> rules. Too bad they didn't find that out the season before.

One more thing here about Disney, ABC, and Lois and Clark: Fortune
magazine, in a profile about ABC TV that appeared in late 1997 or early
1998, said that Michael Eisner, CEO of Disney, was the first to "suggest"
-- in December 1996! -- that Lois and Clark had run its course and it was
time to cancel the show. He also supposedly didn't like the show
personally. He made the "suggestion" to Jamie Tarses, head of ABC, and her
boss at the time, Robert Iger. I'd say that Lois and Clark was dead as
of that remark.

I didn't really believe the Disney/Eisner conspiracy theory of L&C's
demise until I read the Fortune story. But when it comes to business,
Fortune has a lot of credibility and generally doesn't go in for
paranoia. (If anyone cares, Fortune was not kind about Eisner and
Disney's management of ABC in general.)

Bev
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>

  For some reason I can't get my email through to Irene, so I'll send this
to the list instead.
Nice story, Irene.  A very good installment of the Starfire and Sunstorm
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Found this story about John Shea and the movie he directed on a newsgroup
last week:

NY POST...NEAL TRAVIS...

ACTOR John Shea now has a greater appreciation of what happens behind the
scenes after making his directorial debut with "Southie," a movie about
tough
kids from the South Boston projects which had its premiere in Cambridge,
Mass., the other night.

Shea was carping to Webster Hall art curator Baird Jones at a different
premiere party, the one for "The Adventures of Sebastian Cole," a Paramount
comedy about a boy who discovers his father is a cross-dresser. (Where do
they come up with these scripts?)

Anyway, Shea said he hired a bus to bring the real Southie characters in his
movie to the screening. "Southie kids never go to Cambridge. They hate it
because it's such a rich area," he noted. "So when they arrive at the
theater,what happens is the police arrest the first kid off the bus - one of
my
leading actors."

It emerged that the young man owed $1,200 in child support. Shea passed the
hat, raised the money and got the deadbeat dad out of jail before the
evening
was old. But you can bet it will be a long time before anyone persuades the
Southie kids to again venture onto the foreign turf of Cambridge.
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>LabRat wrote:
>>>But I have never understood hearing
>>>FoLCs say they lost track of the show when it moved timeslot. If I loved
a
>>>show I'd darn well find it in the schedule - even if I had to plough
through
>>>every tv mag I could find or phone the network and demand they tell me
where
>>>it's gone. <g>
>
>and Kathy wrote
>>I think any fans that were on the listserv would do as you did, Lab, would
>>have combed the TV listings and called their stations if they didn't get
>>their show at the right time.  But FoLCs care enough to subscribe to a
>>listserv to get the most up to date information about their favorite show.
>>Not so for the casual fan, or even the fan who loved the show but had no
>>idea it was moving.

I have always been a big Superman fan, and when I heard that L&C was going
to come on the air, I got really excited.  A local controversy started,
however.
The Louisville, KY, ABC affiliate decided that they would put a syndicated
show (I think that it was a 20/20 ripoff or something) in the L&C timeslot,
L&C in the NYPD Blue timeslot, and not show NYPD Blue at all because
of the bare butt controversy.  People cried foul, but it took months to get
straightened out.

Once L&C was in it's correct time slot late in the first season, it kept
getting
pre-empted with sports or with local gardening shows.  They would show
L&C after the news and I think it was M*A*S*H.  Starting time varied,
and I had to work, so I ended up recording it, with some success.

If I remember correctly, the time slot settled into pretty much whenever
ABC played it for the second season, except in May for the Derby and
specials, when it ran late Sunday nights again.

By the third and fourth seasons, especially after L&C moved to Saturday,
they stopped showing it at a later time, despite quite a
few calls.  They said that ABC had told them that they had to show L&C
at the correct time, or not at all.  Admittedly, it did not get pre-empted
quite as often after they couldn't move it.

Very few of these programming changes showed up in TV Guide,
since they were local and had been done after printing.

I had friends who had no idea that there was a show about Superman
on the air.  I'm surprised that it got any ratings in Louisville at all.

No fair counting commas,

Jennifer L. Adkins
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At 08:29 AM 08/13/1999 -0500, you wrote:
[snip]
>The first *I* ever heard the expression was at the '98 Kerths. I've heard
>it once or twice since then though. As I understand it, a "fanboy" (or
>girl, I spose) is someone who is a regular reader of comics, buys each
>issue of his or her fav each and every month, and knows the past history of
>hte characters as well as the people on this list know Lois and Clark. :)
>
>I welcome corrections if I'm wrong.
>
>Hazel
>
>(who finds it slightly ironic to get more responses to the answers than to
>the actual quiz...)

My "Carry Tiger to Mountain" was considered "fanboy" and frankly I was a bit
(maybe more than a bit) insulted. I'm not a "boy" (or a "guy" for that
matter)
(I realize that most words describing women are now naughty or demeaning,
but
we have to reclaim them), and I rarely read the comics any more (I did back
in
the 50s and 60s), though I'll buy one if the art is good and the story looks
okay. Maybe they used some other definition. I would have preferred
"adventure".

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
huumph!
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At 04:22 PM 08/16/1999 -0400, Zoomway wrote:
>[massive snip of material that's not new to me since I'm a list oldie,
too....]
>...Disney, having taken over ABC, wanted to get rid of shows in favor of
>Disney product. Unfortunately for Disney, ...

but as our revenge evolves, dizknee is in its second year of losing money
business wise and they're looking to unload parts of their business. Not
abc,
not yet, but who knows? Sports teams they own (mighty ducks?) seem likely
to be
on the selling block soon.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
hoping y2k will take out dizknee
completely...
mickeymouse company
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Liz asked:

>Did Clark ever send flowers to Lois?

I haven't the greatest memory.  So, other than what's been mentioned
already, I do recall flowers being bought from Tony's (with cash)
presented to Lois at the end of "Ordinary People."  Oh, and Lois threw
out the yellow roses in "The Prankster" episode giving Clark the
opportunity to mention how much they cost.  One of his more endearing
moments.<g>

Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci wrote:

> One more thing here about Disney, ABC, and Lois and Clark: Fortune
> magazine, in a profile about ABC TV that appeared in late 1997 or early
> 1998, said that Michael Eisner, CEO of Disney, was the first to "suggest"
> -- in December 1996! -- that Lois and Clark had run its course and it was
> time to cancel the show. He also supposedly didn't like the show
> personally. He made the "suggestion" to Jamie Tarses, head of ABC, and her
> boss at the time, Robert Iger. I'd say that Lois and Clark was dead as
> of that remark.

Yep, Eisner's one smarmy mouseketeer, all right.  That's why I was glad
Katzenberg got him (although, God knows, they probably all deserve each
other).

Sandy  (M-I-C....  See me trash a hit TV show.  K-E-Y....  Why?  Because
*I* wanna wear tights on national television.  R-A-T-F-I-N-K.  *So,* it
doesn't rhyme prettily.  The truth is ugly.;)
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> At the risk of boring everyone who knows how it turned out, can you tell
me,
> someone who's seen this referred to a few times, but has never got the
full
> story?

Well, I don't know all the details, heck, I might even get some things
wrong, but this is how I remember it ... in the summer/fall of 1996
(before the start of the 4th Season), ABC wanted to get the rights to
the Rosie O'Donnell Show, a popular daytime talk show (I think it had
been syndicated?).  Rosie was owned by Warner, which also produced L&C,
so they told ABC the deal was, they could get exclusive rights to RO'D
*if* they also bought not one but two full seasons of L&C (4th and
5th).  ABC agreed, so we got the word that fall that the show had
already been renewed, that a 5th season was guaranteed.  That obviously
didn't happen, even though the writers/producers thought that it would,
which is why The Family Hour was meant to end with "to be continued".
I'm not sure what legal maneuvers ABC pulled to get out of the deal, but
they still have the RO'D show.

(Thankfully, it was a fairly mild cliffhanger; can you imagine the show
getting cancelled right after Clark left for New Krypton? <shudder>)
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Date:         Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:04:33 EDT
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In a message dated 8/16/99 12:58:27 PM EST, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<< Hey, Zoom, I finally found it!
 Before he left St. Louis, Dean wrote a thank-you letter to all his fans who
 contributed to the Joe Torry Foundation:

 7-11-99

 To everyone who helped make the Joe Torry event a tremendous success,

 Thank you from the bottom of my heart. You guys make all this
possible--your
 support means _everything_, and I really appreciate everything you all have
 done!

 With love and Thanks,

 Dean Cain

 [Zoom, I'll scan this and send it to you so you can post it for me. Those
of
 you who have only seen his signature may be surprised to realize how
legible
 his handwriting is :)  I haven't seen a formal thank-you re the quilt,
however.]
 sharper@cncc.cc.co.us

  >>

Sue was actually kind enough to send me a photo-copied, copy of Dean's
letter.  I assumed she sent it to everyone unless I am wrong.  {Maybe she
only sent it to the people who couldn't attend to make them feel better?}

About the quilt, I helped make a square on that quilt.. {#11 to be exact!
hee
hee}  Unfortunately i couldn't attend because it is just too darn expensive
to fly from Seattle to St.Louis. :(  {but i might make an exception for next
year! ;)}

Just seeing the smile on Dean's face was enough for me.  I don't need a
thank
you note from Dean saying that he liked it {because i already know..}  In a
way I don't think a thank you note is really needed since we MADE THIS QUILT
to thank him for being a wonderful actor and guy!  Celebrities.. well at
least Dean takes the time out to give everyone personal autographs.. (thanks
Dean!)   basically he thanks us fans for being there for him, so in turn
this
was OUR autograph to him.. it was a piece of us, for him to remember us by.
It is to let him know that we are still out there cheering him on! ;)

Alexis ;-.)
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In a message dated 8/16/99 10:57:10 AM EST, jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:

<< Me, I kept track of it when it moved from Sunday at 8 to Sunday at 7,
 and then Saturday at 8, and I kept track of which weeks would be
 preemptions and which would be new episodes.  But then I'm the sort of
 fan who taped the commercial breaks on other nights, in hopes of
 catching an L&C promo on tape <g> so I could analyze it.  (Picture me
 watching a 2-hour tape.  I fast-forward til I see commercials, watch
 them carefully, then say "damn, the show's back on!" <g>) (I wouldn't
 have done this on my own, I have to say, but Chris Mulder corrupted me
 <g> and I do have a nice collection of promos now... including my
 favorite -- "Where Do You Go?") >>

OMG, I did the same thing!  I used to watch All My Children, well actually I
still watch All My Children with my mom and whenever an LnC commericial came
on I freaked!  Most of the time my mom taped the show which drove me nuts
because she used to fastforward through commericials, including LnC promos.
I
wanted to yell, "STOP!  That's Teri and Dean, but i wouldn't."  Sometimes
when she left the room i would just fastforward through the tape to see
them.

I too kept close tabs on what time or day the show was moving to.  I even
went as far as cutting out the little slips of paper that described the show
and pasting them in my diary so i could give my "first impression," reaction
to the show in my private thoughts space.  Believe me it is highly
entertaining to go back and read those after now seeing those same eps for a
total of a billion times! LOL!  I also cut out every picture of
LnC/Dean/Teri
that was in the TV guide.  I kept every article in the paper too.
Basicially
i was an LnC pack rat and i still am!  I am just so glad that I have NOT
thrown anything away.  There were "bubble-gum" shows that I have liked from
time to time.. {ie: Saved By the Bell}  You think this is it!  This is the
show i am going to love forever! Then when you go back and look at what you
collected you can't believe you even did something like that and you want to
throw everything away!  But not with LnC.. I seriously think THIS SHOW IS
IT!
 LnC has been a show i have loved for the longest time!  It helped me
through
a lot of sticky stuff in my life.. heck it was with me from the beginning of
my freshman year and it ended the day before my high graduation ceremony!
{and we all know how sticky high school can be! ;p~}  I was happy and sad
during that ceremony as you can pretty well guess.  I even went as far as
giving up my 2nd favorite show Dark Skies.  When Dark Skies and LnC went
head
to head, i more then likely sided with LnC.  This made me heartbroken
because
i was getting into the other show too.. {but thank goodness for sci-fi
because they have brought Dark Skies reruns back and i can enjoy them...}
Believe it or not most of the shows i really love like LnC and Dark Skies
have been cancelled.. {my family never lets me forget that.. i just figure
that's ratings for you and that's the way things go!  At least LnC lasted
for
4 years! ;) }  Basically, what i want to say is LnC is a show that i have
had
a *love affair* with for 6 years now.. and it will be one that i will
continue to have.  The show comes in handy for someone like me who wants to
be a journalism major {i just recently discovered this.. so that might be
one
of the subconscious facts why I was drawn to the show in the first place!
;)}
 Yes I admit that there are times I have to walk away from the show and take
a breather, but those are rare.  Basically LnC and I are stuck and i am very
happy because of it! ;)

WOW!  I think this is the longest post i have ever sent to this list, but it
felt good telling other FoLC's in the same boat these things! :)

Alexis ;-.)
{who needs to take a breather by staring at her Dean shrine or writing
fanfic
or something..}
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In a message dated 8/16/99 8:08:19 PM Central Daylight Time,
MsLoisette@aol.com writes:

<< Just seeing the smile on Dean's face was enough for me.  I don't need a
thank
 you note from Dean saying that he liked it {because i already know..}  In a
 way I don't think a thank you note is really needed since we MADE THIS
QUILT
 to thank him for being a wonderful actor and guy!   >>

That's exactly why fans who weren't there are happy Sheila shared Dean's
note. Thanks again, Sheila (I keep saying that ;) it meant a lot!

Zoom
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Irene, this was a nice addition to the series; I always enjoy revisiting
your universe.  I'm very glad to hear that your niece is alright, btw,
I'm sure it was a terrifying experience.

I did have a question, though... you did say that Marty was 9, and Vicky
was 3, but I don't know how old that makes the twins.

and...
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
spoiler,
but
just
in
case
...

Doesn't Jimmy feel weird babysitting his girlfriend's future father? <g>
Maybe you've covered this ground in earlier sections and I just forgot,
but I'd think it might come up again in this context.  You do mention
Lee elsewhere, although not her connection to Jimmy.  It's
understandable, though; you can't retell all of Firestorm.

Anyway, a great installment, Irene, and I'm looking forward to the next
part!  You've created a very distinct universe, with people I'm
interested in.
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I must be out of date.  What happened to Michael Eisner?  Nothing good, I
hope.

Nan

Sandy McDermin wrote:

> Liz asked:
>
> >Did Clark ever send flowers to Lois?
>
> I haven't the greatest memory.  So, other than what's been mentioned
> already, I do recall flowers being bought from Tony's (with cash)
> presented to Lois at the end of "Ordinary People."  Oh, and Lois threw
> out the yellow roses in "The Prankster" episode giving Clark the
> opportunity to mention how much they cost.  One of his more endearing
> moments.<g>
>
> Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci wrote:
>
> > One more thing here about Disney, ABC, and Lois and Clark: Fortune
> > magazine, in a profile about ABC TV that appeared in late 1997 or early
> > 1998, said that Michael Eisner, CEO of Disney, was the first to
"suggest"
> > -- in December 1996! -- that Lois and Clark had run its course and it
was
> > time to cancel the show. He also supposedly didn't like the show
> > personally. He made the "suggestion" to Jamie Tarses, head of ABC, and
her
> > boss at the time, Robert Iger. I'd say that Lois and Clark was dead as
> > of that remark.
>
> Yep, Eisner's one smarmy mouseketeer, all right.  That's why I was glad
> Katzenberg got him (although, God knows, they probably all deserve each
> other).
>
> Sandy  (M-I-C....  See me trash a hit TV show.  K-E-Y....  Why?  Because
> *I* wanna wear tights on national television.  R-A-T-F-I-N-K.  *So,* it
> doesn't rhyme prettily.  The truth is ugly.;)
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In a message dated 08/16/1999 7:50:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Debby@SWCP.COM writes:

<< My "Carry Tiger to Mountain" was considered "fanboy" and frankly I was a
bit
 (maybe more than a bit) insulted. >>

Yeah, and this was one of my all time favorites. I thought clasifying it as
"fanboy" did it a big disservice in terms of recognition.

--Laurie
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At 09:41 PM 8/16/99 EDT, No Name Available wrote:
>In a message dated 08/16/1999 7:50:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>Debby@SWCP.COM writes:
>
><< My "Carry Tiger to Mountain" was considered "fanboy" and frankly I was a
>bit
> (maybe more than a bit) insulted. >>

I have to admit that I laughed when I learned that my "Faster Than a
Speeding Bullet" was nominated for the Best Fanboy story for the 98 Kerths.
Fanboy stories are supposed to be heavy on the A(action)plot, with a light
or non-existent B(relationship)plot (rather like the comics).  While FTaSB
had a solid A-plot, the B-plot was pretty heavy, too.  In fact, one reader
said I included way too much detail on the romance scenes and that it was
kinda tacky to do so.  A true "fanboy story" fan!

Anyway, knowing that, I figured that most people had nominated stories for
the fanboy category based on whether they had a well-developed A-plot or
not, so I never felt insulted, just amused.

Sheila
sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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> Anyway, knowing that, I figured that most people had nominated stories for
> the fanboy category based on whether they had a well-developed A-plot or
> not, so I never felt insulted, just amused.

The fanboy category was never really well defined, and it wasn't
received too well in some quarters, either, unfortunately; no insults
were intended.  You'll notice the category didn't recur in 1999... <g>
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> Sandy McDermin wrote:
> > Bev Clark/Steve Gallacci wrote:
> >
> > > One more thing here about Disney, ABC, and Lois and Clark: Fortune
> > > magazine, in a profile about ABC TV that appeared in late 1997 or
early
> > > 1998, said that Michael Eisner, CEO of Disney, was the first to
"suggest"
> > > -- in December 1996! -- that Lois and Clark had run its course and it
was
> > > time to cancel the show. He also supposedly didn't like the show
> > > personally. He made the "suggestion" to Jamie Tarses, head of ABC, and
her
> > > boss at the time, Robert Iger. I'd say that Lois and Clark was dead as
> > > of that remark.
> >
> > Yep, Eisner's one smarmy mouseketeer, all right.  That's why I was glad
> > Katzenberg got him (although, God knows, they probably all deserve each
> > other).
> >
> > Sandy  (M-I-C....  See me trash a hit TV show.  K-E-Y....  Why?  Because
> > *I* wanna wear tights on national television.  R-A-T-F-I-N-K.  *So,* it
> > doesn't rhyme prettily.  The truth is ugly.;)

Nancy Smith wrote:
>
> I must be out of date.  What happened to Michael Eisner?  Nothing good, I
hope.
>
> Nan
>

Well, Nan, the following article, which I've imported into the e-mail
spells out the first part of the Eisner/Katzenberg confrontation.  The
second part, which describes the final settlement ($250,000,000 ;) can
be viewed at the following URL since I couldn't copy it:

http://mrshowbiz.go.com/news/Todays_Stories/990708/katzenberg070899.html

WHO'S THE MIDGET NOW?
By TRACY CONNOR

Hollywood big cheese Jeffrey Katzenberg yesterday won a huge victory in
his super-nasty, megabucks breach-of-contract lawsuit against The Walt
Disney Co.

Retired Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Paul Breckenridge ruled that
Katzenberg did not forfeit his bonus on the film studio's future
earnings when he defected in 1994.

In addition, Breckenridge said Disney owes Katzenberg interest on his
bonus, which "could be significant."

The exact amount will be decided in the second phase of the trial,
scheduled to begin later this month.

Katzenberg, now part of the troika that owns DreamWorks SKG, claims the
Magic Kingdom owes him as much as $250 million - 2 percent of the
profits from products that the studio acquired during his 10-year
tenure.

"Jeffrey and I are thrilled with the decision," Katzenberg's attorney,
Bertram Fields, said.

In a statement, Disney said it was also "very pleased" with the court's
decision - apparently referring to the judge's finding that it committed
no fraud.

The first phase of the trial pitted Katzenberg against his ex-boss,
Disney Chairman Michael Eisner.

Katzenberg's lawyer claimed Eisner wanted to punish his underling for
jumping ship to start a rival studio.

The often-juicy testimony revealed that Eisner referred to the
diminutive Katzenberg as "a little midget," "my retriever," and "the end
of my pom-pom."

Katzenberg claimed that Disney even had a nickname for its efforts to
keep him in the dark about his paycheck - "Operation Snowball" - because
it was trying to snow him.

Eisner argued that he repeatedly tried to strike a settlement with
Katzenberg before the suit was filed but his peace-making attempts were
snubbed.

But he also admitted that he later vetoed a $100-million peace plan
engineered by superagent Michael Ovitz, who took over the movie division
after Katzenberg quit.

For his part, Katzenberg admitted he told his lawyers to be an
"absolute killer" and get as much money as possible from his
ex-employer.

Disney reached a partial settlement with Katzenberg in 1997, agreeing it
did owe him something. The current trial is to determine just how much
that is.

In the second phase, Disney and Katzenberg will all accountants and
other witnesses to give projections and estimates on how much profit the
TV and film products initiated under Katzenberg will generate in the
future.

The first witness will be Microsoft Corp. Chief Technology Officer
Nathan Myhrvold.
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I was wondering if anyone knows how old Sam Lane is supposed to be.  I am
working on a fanfic, and I was thinking he was either in his late 50's or
early 60's but I am not sure.  I was thinking that if Lois is thirty, he
might be around 59 or so.

Thanks,
Alicia
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Now I have a good reason to boycott Disney!!!!!! I have always stayed away
from ABC.  That's why I didn't
discover LnC until TNT came along.    I'm not much happier with them.

Brenda
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Irene,

This was lovely, lovely. *lovely*!

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

That conversation with Clark and Jon at the end literally brought tears to
my eyes. I'm assuming you've always intended to use this explanation for
Sam's preoccupation with Astrid, but it came out of left field for me. :)
And Jon's feelings of loneliness, together with Clark's "bonding" -- the
only adjective I can think of is "lovely," but I think I used it too much
already. :) So I'll just say "thanks," Irene, for another marvelous story!

Hazel
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--- Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL> wrote:
> Irene,
>
> This was lovely, lovely. *lovely*!
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> That conversation with Clark and Jon at the end
> literally brought tears to
> my eyes. I'm assuming you've always intended to use
> this explanation for
> Sam's preoccupation with Astrid, but it came out of
> left field for me. :)
> And Jon's feelings of loneliness, together with
> Clark's "bonding" -- the
> only adjective I can think of is "lovely," but I
> think I used it too much
> already. :) So I'll just say "thanks," Irene, for
> another marvelous story!
>
> Hazel
>
Hi Hazel,
Thank you so much for the feedback.  I can't think of a nicer
compliment than actually bringing tears to your eyes!

Yes, that is definitely the explanation that I always had in mind for
Sam bonding with Astrid.

I guess what I've always thought is that it doesn't matter how
wonderful parents are, or how well brought up children are, or how many
advantages they have, there will still be identity issues, and
self-confidence issues for any child to deal with -- especially a
sensitive child.  Jon is that sensitive child in my mind.  Sam is
sensitive to only one thing - Astrid!

Thanks again, Hazel.

Take care,
Irene
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CABARET: SEDUCTIVE POWER

at the Warner Theatre
(1299 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington)

Review by William Triplett –

Near the end of the first act of "Cabaret," which opened last weekend at
the Warner Theatre, actor Norbert Leo Butz stands on a catwalk while the
rest of the cast gathers below onstage to belt out that paean to
National Socialism, "Tomorrow Belongs to Me." As the singing builds with
lyrical, storm-trooper momentum, Butz, in the role of the Emcee, begins
stomping his combat-booted feet in rhythm.

The music and voices swell to crescendo; Butz turns his back and,
stripperlike, slowly starts lifting the tail of his leather coat – the
only clothes he has on. At the final, ecstatic note of the song he flips
the tail over his waist, bends over, shoves his naked backside at us,
and there, tattooed on his right cheek, is a huge blood-red swastika.

It's hard to imagine a more jarring contrast with Harold Prince's
original Broadway staging of the piece more than 30 years ago, or with
Bob Fosse's wonderful 1972 movie of it. Unlike his predecessors, though,
director Sam Mendes is interested in what makes absolute power the
ultimate aphrodisiac. The production has its problems, but it offers
unsettling insight into the material.

We are in the Kit Kat Klub, a dive in Weimar Germany. In the movie, and
to great extent in Prince's staging, the Kit Kat Klub was a fantasyland
where people could escape from ugly reality, and the ensuing decadence
and self-indulgence allowed the Nazis to come to power.

In Mendes' version, the rise of Nazism is neither a matter of fortuitous
timing nor is the story a cautionary tale against losing inhibitions. We
never really leave Kit Kat Klub. Even the many scenes that happen
outside are shadowed by it: The omnipresent Emcee watches, at times even
walks through the action. Life is more of a cabaret than we think,
Mendes seems to be saying. And we want it to be. "In here, life is
beautiful," the Emcee tells us. Admittedly it's a tawdry beauty, but
that's why we can't look away.

Costume designer William Ivey Long has draped Butz in ratty pants held
up by what looks like a tangle of bra straps rigged as suspenders. He
wears no shirt, though he does sport glitter pasties on his nipples. The
seedy Kit Kat Girls, who look simultaneously young and old, and seem to
be just this side of an overdose, parade their still-delectable-looking
goods in old underwear, torn hose and layers of makeup.

But Mendes isn't after just any kind of lewdness. His staging, like Rob
Marshall's choreography, is belligerently sexual: Someone is always in
total control. Someone who is a master performer. A master seducer.
Above all, a master. All of which, as more than one sociologist has
pointed out, was precisely what made Hitler capable of inspiring
passionate, near-hysterical devotion, particularly when he spoke at
rallies. The implicit S&M component in the willingness of a passive
audience/citizen to submit to an all-powerful, charismatic
performer/politician is what makes this production so intriguing, at
times even chilling.

It's also what forced Mendes to go with okay rather than stupendous
voices: First-rate singers in a pit of a club wouldn't make much sense.
He's less interested in fully realizing the musical's outstanding score
than in Making a Statement.

Teri Hatcher, a movie and television actor, is making her stage debut
with "Cabaret" in the role of Sally Bowles. She has a sturdy, if not
versatile, voice, and her dour rendition of the show's signature tune is
not unaffecting. But she has yet to make the transition off the screen:
She doesn't seem to be playing to the other characters but to some
invisible camera's perception of her playing to them. She doesn't appear
to be in their world at all.

It doesn't help that the Warner couldn't accommodate the production as
originally conceived – to be played in a cabaret-like setting, amid
tables and chairs. Up on the Warner's proscenium stage, the edgy show
loses some of its in-your-face intimacy, but Hatcher feels even more
remote.

Fortunately, Sally's story isn't as prominent in the stage version as it
was in the movie, and Hatcher has a solid ensemble behind her. As her
lover Cliff, Rick Holmes handles the character's sexual ambiguity rather
well. Andy Taylor plays Ernst Ludwig, Cliff's first friend in Berlin,
with powerful subtlety. As the other lovers in the tale, Barbara Andres
and Dick Latessa give warm, sympathetic performances – and some of the
best singing. A nod also goes to Jeanine Morick for her marvelous
portrayal of the prostitute living across the hall from Cliff.

Butz, however, is the man to watch. He alternately prowls, slinks and
darts across the stage like an oversexed reptile. With sleazy bravado,
he takes great pleasure in his increasing use of fascist chic, evidenced
mostly by pose and attitude. Peggy Eisenhauer and Mike Baldassari's
dynamic lighting flatter the Emcee the most, as it should, just as
Robert Brill's stark black-metal set seems designed specifically for
him.

When the Sally-Cliff romance falls apart, focus shifts back entirely
onto the Emcee, who's almost beside himself with ecstasy over the power
he wields over the audience. But he has confused the pleasures and
imagery of total power with its reality, which is why his demise comes
as, well, something of a shock. And thereby hangs a cautionary tale.

Achtung, baby.

Cabaret, book by Joe Masteroff, music by John Kander, lyrics by Fred
Ebb. Based on the play by John Van Druten and stories by Christopher
Isherwood. Directed by Sam Mendes. Sound design by Brian Ronan; original
dance music, David Baker. Through Sept. 4 at the Warner Theatre. Call
202-432-7328.

Shows are Tuesday through Saturday at 8 p.m. and Sunday at 7:30 p.m.
with matinees at 2 on both Saturday and Sunday. There is one Monday
night showing on Aug. 30 at 8.
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Hi Pam,

--- Pam Jernigan <jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
> Irene, this was a nice addition to the series; I
> always enjoy revisiting
> your universe.  I'm very glad to hear that your
> niece is alright, btw,
> I'm sure it was a terrifying experience.
>
> I did have a question, though... you did say that
> Marty was 9, and Vicky
> was 3, but I don't know how old that makes the
> twins.

The twins are 12.  I'll change the chapter titles slightly to reflect
their ages.  Thanks for pointing this out.
>
> and...
> I
> don't
> know
> if
> this
> is
> a
> spoiler,
> but
> just
> in
> case
> ...
>
>
> Doesn't Jimmy feel weird babysitting his
> girlfriend's future father? <g>

Good point.  In my mind, the situation was weird in the abstract.  But
in real life, it would be hard to keep reminding yourself all the time
that this child was going to grow up to be Lee's mother or Lee's
father.  I mean, it's hard to visualise your child as a doctor or
lawyer when you're changing their diaper, or refereeing a really silly
fight!   Perhaps a little paragraph about how it was hard to keep that
info in the forefront of everyone's thoughts would be in order.

> Maybe you've covered this ground in earlier sections
> and I just forgot,
> but I'd think it might come up again in this
> context.  You do mention
> Lee elsewhere, although not her connection to Jimmy.
>  It's
> understandable, though; you can't retell all of
> Firestorm.
>
> Anyway, a great installment, Irene, and I'm looking
> forward to the next
> part!  You've created a very distinct universe, with
> people I'm
> interested in.
Thank you, Pam.  That makes my day!

Irene
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Thanks, Nan,

I appreciate the compliment very much!

Irene

--- Nancy Smith <deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> >
>
>   For some reason I can't get my email through to
> Irene, so I'll send this
> to the list instead.
> Nice story, Irene.  A very good installment of the
> Starfire and Sunstorm
> saga.
>
> Nan Smith
>

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Just catching up on e-mail after a few days out of town.  Don't know if a
spoiler space is really necessary but here it is.
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 Diyan wrote re extract 5 (Strange Visitors)  <<Correct me if I'm wrong,
Carol, but I thought it was Lois and Clark's grandson Jimmy visiting the
younger Lois.>>  Yes, you're right, Diyan :) -- but at the point in the
story
>from which the extract is taken, the reader would probably think that
<<This
is the future-Clark revisiting young Lois>> as Pam wrote.

And thanks, Wendy for this quiz, and for other things.

Carol
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Hi Irene!

I'm glad you've posted this at last - I still think it's as good as I
told you it was weeks ago! Hurry up and post the next part... all I
can say is, Irene fans, it gets even better!

s
p
o
i
l
e
r

s
p
a
c
e

I loved the scenes with Clark and his sons as well; it's great to see
Clark and Jon reach a better understanding. It's also good that the
children know about Clark now; we've seen from other fanfics (Zoom's
Navigating Denial, Sandy's Little Man, Super) what can happen when
the children aren't told and just draw their own conclusions ;)

Next parts please (I'll even let you off finishing your current
section of SVR in the meantime... <g>)

Wendy
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From: Jessi Mounts [mailto:jessi914@hotmail.com]
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>I no longer want to get the fan fic list at my work
email.  How do I stop
>it.
>
>MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James

Sorry, I can't help you with getting off the fanfic
list.  But I did want to
say I hope you're not leaving us all together.  I
enjoy your posts.

Jessi
jessi914@hotmail.com

>>Oh no.  You can't get rid of me that easily.  I just
needed to 'remove' distractions from my work
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Wendy wrote:

>... all I can say is, Irene fans, it gets even better!

I have to second that, everyone. Irene, life is really mixed up for me at
the moment, and I don't know if I have given you any proper feedback on
this *series* yet, let alone just this section. I apologize for that, and
will tell you and the others that I really enjoy this story. (And have read
the whole thing several times already :) As soon as my current RL fun
settles down, I will sit down and write you aome proper feedback, k?

Melisma
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I just finished reading reading S&S and I must say I loved it.

S
P
O
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L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

I could just see the scene of the accident at the pool and Superman coming
to the rescue.  And the scene where the twins went flying with Superman.  I
have not read Parts 2 and 3 but as soon as they come into the archive, I
will read them.  Or does anyone know when they were posted to the listserv
so I can read them before them?  Thanks.  Sue

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I think the first time CK gave LL flowers was at the end of the well-
loved (NOT) episode "Illusions of Grandeur" (I can never remember if
I've got that one right)--the one about the magic show.  CK (with
a burst of superspeed) makes roses appear on Lois' desk.

A favorite of mine is at the end of OP when he gives her the flowers
>from Tony's. It's such a sweet exchange and the composition of Lois
(looking exceptionally lovely), Superman and the bouquet is just
perfect, IMHO...

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Just thought I would warn all you guys who live in Canada and get LNC on
CFMT, that as of September, it is being replaced at 7 pm EST with "Third
Rock From the Sun" and "Suddenly Susan." Unless it is going to be put on
another time slot, after August 31, it is gone.  Sue

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> I think the first time CK gave LL flowers was at the end of the well-
> loved (NOT) episode "Illusions of Grandeur" (I can never remember if
> I've got that one right)--the one about the magic show.  CK (with
> a burst of superspeed) makes roses appear on Lois' desk.

Oh yes!!! And that was *beautiful* - so WAFFy. Made the rest of hte
ep worthwhile.

Wendy
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So let me see if I've got this right:

1. Disney took over ABC.
2. Disney wanted ABC to show Disney product.
3. Disney wanted the Sunday time slot for their own product, so they killed
off L&C by forcing its ratings down, and by wriggling out of their contract
with Warner to buy seasons 4 and 5.

So Disney are the real bad guys, not ABC?
And rather than get out of the season 5 contract, why didn't they just shove
it on late at night, which is where shows get sent to die over here?  Or,
couldn't Warner have tried selling their show to another network?  Or is
that a naive thing to suggest?

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>I no longer want to get the fan fic list at my work email.  How do I stop
>it.
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>MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James
>

The instructions should be somewhere in the following, which is the email I
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SVR??? Hmmm.....

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Wendy Richards [mailto:ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK]
                Sent:   Tuesday, August 17, 1999 5:31 AM
                To:     LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
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                Hi Irene!

                I'm glad you've posted this at last - I still think it's as
good as I
                told you it was weeks ago! Hurry up and post the next
part... all I
                can say is, Irene fans, it gets even better!

                s
                p
                o
                i
                l
                e
                r

                s
                p
                a
                c
                e

                I loved the scenes with Clark and his sons as well; it's
great to see
                Clark and Jon reach a better understanding. It's also good
that the
                children know about Clark now; we've seen from other fanfics
(Zoom's
                Navigating Denial, Sandy's Little Man, Super) what can
happen when
                the children aren't told and just draw their own conclusions
;)

                Next parts please (I'll even let you off finishing your
current
                section of SVR in the meantime... <g>)

                Wendy
                ----------------------
                Wendy Richards
                w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
                Find my fanfic at
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/fanfic.html

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HREF=3D"mailto:ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK">mailto:ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK</A>]<=
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<BR><B>Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</B> Tuesday, August 17, 1999 5:31 AM
<BR><B>To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</B> =
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<P>Hi Irene!
</P>

<P>I'm glad you've posted this at last - I still think it's as good as =
I
<BR>told you it was weeks ago! Hurry up and post the next part... all I
<BR>can say is, Irene fans, it gets even better!
</P>

<P>s
<BR>p
<BR>o
<BR>i
<BR>l
<BR>e
<BR>r
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<P>s
<BR>p
<BR>a
<BR>c
<BR>e
</P>

<P>I loved the scenes with Clark and his sons as well; it's great to =
see
<BR>Clark and Jon reach a better understanding. It's also good that the
<BR>children know about Clark now; we've seen from other fanfics =
(Zoom's
<BR>Navigating Denial, Sandy's Little Man, Super) what can happen when
<BR>the children aren't told and just draw their own conclusions ;)
</P>
<BR>

<P>Next parts please (I'll even let you off finishing your current
<BR>section of SVR in the meantime... &lt;g&gt;)
</P>

<P>Wendy
<BR>----------------------
<BR>Wendy Richards
<BR>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
<BR>Find my fanfic at <A =
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Date:         Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:14:04 EDT
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I was just wondering where I can find Starfire and Sunstorm Parts 1, 2 & 3.
I was about to read S&S #4 and noticed I hadn't read the others...I just
read
Firestorm and want to read the others before I go onto Part 4 Can someone
tell me where to find those? They aren't in the FanFic archives
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Apparently that's the story all right.  Typical of the more recent
Disney.  Walt would be spinning in his grave if he knew the shenanigans
the new bosses are pulling with his company.  And, personally, I don't
think their recent productions have been all that good, anyway.  They
took Pocahontas and turned it into some sort of unrecognizable piece
of...well, I won't say what I think of it, but the only thing I liked
about it was the music, and not all of that.

Nan
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Hi Wendy,

Thank you for all your kind remarks.  You know it makes my day!

I'm still going over my edit notes for the next two parts but as soon
as I'm done...

--- Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
> Hi Irene!
>
> I'm glad you've posted this at last - I still think
> it's as good as I
> told you it was weeks ago! Hurry up and post the
> next part... all I
> can say is, Irene fans, it gets even better!
<big snip>
>
> Next parts please (I'll even let you off finishing
> your current
> section of SVR in the meantime... <g>)

And I've been feeling so guilty that I've fallen behind.  You're so
nice and forgiving.

Thanks again, Wendy.  I appreciate the feedback.

Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

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Date:         Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:45:04 -0700
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Has the Writer's showcase been abandoned?  The interview with Audrey has
been on there for months.  Since it was how I located a lot of homepages
with links to fanfic, I'd like to know.

Nan
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In a message dated 08/17/1999 9:20:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:

<< And have read
 the whole thing several times already :) >>

and it's absolutely terrific each time, isn't it?

--Laurie (Irene's number 1 fan)
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Thank you, Mel, for the feedback.  And yes, you have sent me feedback
for the previous chapters of S&S, so don't worry!

I can certainly sympathise with your RL woes.  My life is upside down
too - but fun!

Just make sure that you have the time to write too, Mel.  Can't wait to
read the next installment on Zoom's boards!

Thanks again, and take care,
Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

--- Melisma <melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA> wrote:
> Wendy wrote:
>
> >... all I can say is, Irene fans, it gets even
> better!
>
> I have to second that, everyone. Irene, life is
> really mixed up for me at
> the moment, and I don't know if I have given you any
> proper feedback on
> this *series* yet, let alone just this section. I
> apologize for that, and
> will tell you and the others that I really enjoy
> this story. (And have read
> the whole thing several times already :) As soon as
> my current RL fun
> settles down, I will sit down and write you aome
> proper feedback, k?
>
> Melisma
>

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--- No Name Available <Larus2407@AOL.COM> wrote:
> In a message dated 08/17/1999 9:20:15 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:
>
> << And have read
>  the whole thing several times already :) >>
>
> and it's absolutely terrific each time, isn't it?
>
> --Laurie (Irene's number 1 fan)

Thank you, Laurie.  But you keep making me blush! :)

Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com
>

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To anyone I owe email, please be patient.  My mail server has been down.

Brenda
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I hope this gets through.

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Date:         Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:48:07 -0700
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Whew! I thought for a moment that I lost you guys. I
mean gals.  How about people?  Individuals with a
common purpose? Whatever.
James

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> James
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Well, finally these wonderful stories found their way to this remote =
corner of the world.   I just wanted to express my thanks to all you =
talented writers out there, and to all of you who gave your time.
Sarah
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Stephani wrote:

I was just wondering where I can find Starfire and Sunstorm Parts 1, 2
& 3.
I was about to read S&S #4 and noticed I hadn't read the others...I
just read
Firestorm and want to read the others before I go onto Part 4 Can
someone
tell me where to find those? They aren't in the FanFic archives

****************************
This incredibly awesome set of stories by Irene can be found in the
ListServ archives
 http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html
on the following weeks:
Pt 1 Caroline June week 1
Pt 2 Martha June week 3
Pt 3 Perry June week 4

Happy Reading!  I know it will be!

TerriAnn

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Date:         Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:11:59 -0500
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At 3:15 PM +0100 8/17/99, Yvonne Connell wrote:
>So let me see if I've got this right:
>
>1. Disney took over ABC.
>2. Disney wanted ABC to show Disney product.
>3. Disney wanted the Sunday time slot for their own product, so they killed
>off L&C by forcing its ratings down, and by wriggling out of their contract
>with Warner to buy seasons 4 and 5.
>
>So Disney are the real bad guys, not ABC?

I would say that *both* parties are culpable.

>And rather than get out of the season 5 contract, why didn't they just
shove
>it on late at night, which is where shows get sent to die over here?  Or,
>couldn't Warner have tried selling their show to another network?  Or is
>that a naive thing to suggest?

I can't remember what kind of penalty ABC had to pay to get out of the
contract (gobs of money, I'm sure; in the millions) but it was apparently
less than it would cost to produce the fifth season.  There was hope at the
time among the FoLCs that ABC would agree to produce half a season (which
would get L&C to the magic syndication number of 100 episodes), running
those final episodes as a mid-season replacement after one of the many new
shows that always fails in the fall did so. There was a tremendous letter
writing campaign by the fans, directed first at ABC, then at WB once it
became known that WB was fighting to force ABC to honor the contract.
Unfortunately, ABC/Disney held more power, and basically told WB that they
either capitulate and cancel the contract or suffer the wrath of Disney.
WB was beyond furious, but didn't have much choice at that point; they
surely felt it would be corporate suicide to take on Disney, "the evil
empire".

Only syndicated shows here are shown late at night; first run series don't
do that, for whatever reason. (Zoom would know for sure, but I seem to
remember that contracts for network shows promise the production company
that the show will be aired during prime-time.)  The only exception is
occasionally when a show is pre-empted at a local level (say, for a local
sports event or local special), the local affliate will sometimes run the
show it bumped in the middle of the night.

Warner Brothers *did* explore having another network produce a fifth
season, specifically TNT, who had already purchased the syndication rights
and who stood to make a lot more money if the show went five years instead
of four. (TNT produced the fifth season of Babylon 5, for example.)  WB
decided they couldn't produce the show themselves because they didn't have
enough money, and after consideration, TNT decided the same thing.   (CBS
was asked as well, and Leslie Moones reportly said, "Lois and Clark? I have
my own failures to deal with.")

After it was all said and done, there was a rumor that TNT had approached
Dean and Teri about doing a 2-hour wrap-up movie to give the show closure,
but by that point, they had each moved on in their careers and declined.
Teri was already pregnant and by many accounts, hadn't had a great
experience filming the Bond movie under those conditions, which may have
been a factor in her decision.  Each of them had said they would honor the
5th year of their contracts if the show was renewed, but each had also said
that they were looking forward to the show being over so they could have a
life again.  Hour-long shows film on an exhausting schedule, especially
when the stars are in almost every scene.  While many of us were very
disappointed in their decision to move on, we could certainly understand
why they would want to.  I don't have any animosity towards them for that.

That's why I always shake my head when new fans pop up suggesting we start
a letter writing campaign to "Save the show" and bring it back. I believe
someone even still has an on-line petition somewhere.  This is an exercise
in futility, as sad as that sounds.  The stars have absolutely no interest
in doing the show anymore, and all the networks have already said no.  Just
who do these people plan to write *to*??

Those of us who went through that horrible spring sympathize with the newer
fans, and appreciate their enthusiam. But we also bristle when the
occasional post pops up that suggest we didn't do enough to save the show
at the time. (Thankfully, there hasn't been one of those in a long time!) I
have a post around here somewhere that addresses this issue ... maybe I
should dig it out and repost, just for history sake. <g>

Kathy

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In a message dated 8/16/99 7:50:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<<
 My "Carry Tiger to Mountain" was considered "fanboy" and frankly I was a
bit
 (maybe more than a bit) insulted. I' >>

Well, Debby, I don't care what anyone wants to call "Carry Tiger to
Mountain."  It is a fantastic story that I should go reread.

Ann
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At 4:20 PM -0400 8/17/99, Ann E. McBride wrote:
>In a message dated 8/16/99 7:50:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Debby@SWCP.COM
>writes:
>
><<
> My "Carry Tiger to Mountain" was considered "fanboy" and frankly I was a
bit
> (maybe more than a bit) insulted. I' >>
>
>
>Well, Debby, I don't care what anyone wants to call "Carry Tiger to
>Mountain."  It is a fantastic story that I should go reread.

I will second this recommendation ... Carry Tiger was a fantastic read.  I
can't remember if it's on the Archive, but if it's not, Debby, can you
please give everyone your URL so they can get it from your site?

Trust me, people, you won't be disappointed!

Kathy

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Here is an interesting little sidenote since you all are in some very deep
discussions about Disney these days <g>

This came through one of the entertainment newsletters I get here online
this
afternoon:

<<EISNER: DISNEY DOING LUNCH

In an apparent effort to quash repeated speculation that Disney is operating
in crisis mode, Michael Eisner has given company investors this analogy: "We
ran a 440-yard race in the morning. Everyone expects us to do a decathlon in
the afternoon. We're resting at lunchtime." Eisner's comments appeared in a
Los Angeles Times article in which the Disney chairman, while remarking that
"We're not holding a garage sale" of company assets, hinted strongly that
the
company will sell the Anaheim Angels and Mighty Ducks.>>

April
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Check Out Keyword:  EXTRA

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Any good therefore that I can do or any
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let me do it now...for I shall not pass
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>>
>>Well, Debby, I don't care what anyone wants to call "Carry Tiger to
>>Mountain."  It is a fantastic story that I should go reread.
>
>
>I will second this recommendation ... Carry Tiger was a fantastic read.  I
>can't remember if it's on the Archive, but if it's not, Debby, can you
>please give everyone your URL so they can get it from your site?
>
>Trust me, people, you won't be disappointed!
>
>Kathy

No, you won't, and yes, it's on the archive. Run, don't walk! One of
Debby's best, IMHO. :)

Hazel
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Just wanted to say thank you, Kathy, for clearing things up for me.  I too,
feel no animosity towards people who have worked hard on a project and feel
the need to move on the fresher fields.  It's also good to know that Warner
tried to keep the show going.

Something which happens over here quite a lot is that after a series has
been terminated, they make a few one-offs which are generally shown on bank
holidays or at Christmas time.  This is what they did with Inspector Morse,
for example, which I know you get over there.  It's obviously far too late
for anything like that with L&C now, but it would have been nice.

Yvonne
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Hi all,

My names Angee and I just wanted to say hi again ... I've been on this list
for a while but I've
finished my degree so I can start reading all my messages from the list
again :-)

Anyway, to the point (and I do have one!) I'm writing a story and I needed
all your expertise
on some details that I'm going to include in it. I'm just going to list the
areas I need to clarify
and if anyone can help that'd be great.....

1. How long after Lois and Clark met did they get married?

2. By the end (family hour) how long had Lois and Clark been married?

3. What is the age difference between Lois and Lucy?

Thanks everybody,

Angee.

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>A favorite of mine is at the end of OP when he gives her the flowers
>from Tony's. It's such a sweet exchange and the composition of Lois
(looking exceptionally lovely), Superman and the bouquet is just
perfect, IMHO...<

Oh yes, this is my most very favorite scene (among others) the flowers an=
d
looks they exchange are very spine tingling.!

Donna from Indiana
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I've finally got enough done on my first fanfic that feel comfortable asking
questions about the things I don't know as a small town girl, so here they
are:

In a taller than average mall, about how many floors would be accessible to
the public?
How common is that cheesy elevator music in a shopping mall?
Are there any large malls anymore that don't have the glass walls in the
elevators?
What time would a mall in a large city close?

Thank you!

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Jessi Mounts wrote:
>
> I've finally got enough done on my first fanfic that feel comfortable
asking
> questions about the things I don't know as a small town girl, so here they
> are:
>
> In a taller than average mall, about how many floors would be accessible
to
> the public?

All of the floors of a mall would be accessible to the public.  You may,
however, have a mall within another structure -- say on the first three
or four floors of some sort of complex.  Then, office space or a hotel
might be above the mall, but even in that case the offices and hotel
would still be accessible to the public.  How else would the people
doing business at the offices or staying at the hotel get in?<g>  At
Pentagon City (a mall near the Pentagon that I'm most familiar with),
there is a hotel (the Ritz Carlton) which connects with the mall.  It's
where Linda "tripped up"<g> Monica Lewinsky by wearing a wiretap for the
FBI.  Obviously, within the office or hotel, there would be private
areas.

> How common is that cheesy elevator music in a shopping mall?

To be honest, they either don't play it or I just don't hear it
anymore.  Many malls have open areas where some sort of event might be
happening -- Santa greeting children at X-mas, radio station having a
promotion, antique or art show, car raffle, you name it -- and they
might provide some sort of music.  Also, as you're passing by various
stores within the mall, they might have *their* own music.  For
instance, there's a hamburger joint in the mall I mentioned above called
Johnny Rocket's at which the waiters and other workers actually break
out in song at various times! -- sort of like they do at the Hardrock
Cafe -- and that booms out to mix with all the other noise in the mall.

> Are there any large malls anymore that don't have the glass walls in the
> elevators?

Sure, I suppose there must be.  But, mostly there's a combination of
glass and the traditional non-glasss elevators (which are usually at the
ends of the mall, on the sides. or in dept. stores).  Any in the middle
of the mall will probably have glass walls so people inside the elevator
can look around and so *you*, in the elevator, can be part of the
spectacle.<g>  So, a combination is the norm.  But, more important are
the escalators.  Those are what people predominantly use.

> What time would a mall in a large city close?

About 10 p.m. on average, sometimes 11 p.m.  And, on Sundays, earlier --
say 9:00.  So, it depends on what day it is and what time of year.
Right before Christmas, malls are open till 11:00 every night (sometimes
later). To make it even more complicated, parts of malls may close
before other parts.  For instance, there are always large dept. stores
"anchoring" various malls -- that is, they (Macy's, Bloomingdales, Lord
and Taylor, Nordstrom, Neiman Marcus, Hechts, J.C. Penney's, etc.) are
usually situated at the two or three end points of the mall -- and
*they* may stay open later than the smaller stores which make up the
mall.

> Thank you!
>
> Jessi
> jessi914@hotmail.com

Hey, this was fun.... Test your knowledge of malls!  (I'm almost
embarrassed.)  Well, you never know, this could be a jeopardy category.

Sandy
smcdermin@erols.com
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>Well, finally these wonderful stories found their way to this remote corner
>of the world.   I just wanted to express my thanks to all you talented
>writers out there, and to all of you who gave your time.
>Sarah

Hear Hear Sarah!  I finally finished the fanzine and I have to say
thoroughtly enjoyed ALL the stories.  Also, liked the addition of the
writers showcase.

To all who worked on producing the fanzine, bravo!

KathR

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Sometime either today  or yesterday I read a post inquiring if anyone
knew Inspector Henderson's first name.  I couldn't remember at the time,
but it suddenly popped into my head and now I can't locate the post.
Okay, the heck with it, I'm just posting it here, in case it's still
needed.  Henderson's first name is William.

Nan
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>1. How long after Lois and Clark met did they get married?

The pilot was shown in Sept 1993, but we found out in a later episode
(SuperMann) that it actually took place in May 1993.  Since Lois and Clark
got married on October 6, 1996, they would have known each other for
approximately 3 years and 5 months on their wedding day.

They were officially engaged in November 1995 (Ultra Woman), and the first
wedding (the one Luthor ruined) took place on February 11, 1996.

>2. By the end (family hour) how long had Lois and Clark been married?

Family Hour was supposed to air in late May 1997, but with all the
preemptions, those final 3 episodes aired later in the summer (was it late
June? I can't remember ... or maybe I've blocked it out. ;))

They married in October of 4th season and the show ended in May-June of 4th
season ... so 7-8 months, depending on when you choose to have Family Hour
set.

>3. What is the age difference between Lois and Lucy?

Some scenes were cut out of the US airing of the pilot, but I believe
between the script and the UK version, we've learned that Lois was 26 and
Lucy was 22 in the pilot.

Good luck on your story!

Kathy

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In a message dated 08/17/1999 6:43:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
jessi914@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<<in a taller than average mall, about how many floors would be accessible
to
 the public?
In all of the malls that I know of around where I live most have two or
three
floors open to the public.. At Parmatown Mall, the one closest to my house,
there is one floor but about two or three floors above with the headquarters
to it above.  Tower City center and the Galeria in downtown cleveland have
three floors of mall and tower city has restaurants, a hotel and office
building on top and the rapid transit aka train tracks underneath it... I
could tell you a lot more, but i am sure you are bored already :-)

 How common is that cheesy elevator music in a shopping mall?
Not too common at all... the individual stores mostly play their own music,
often popular radio stations that the owners think will appeal to their
target consumers (but it is not appealing at all if you work at one of these
stores. i am so sick of that stupid all star song and that one sarah
mcglauclin song i will remember you... cant they play some good country
music)

 Are there any large malls anymore that don't have the glass walls in the
 elevators?
absolutely :-) I think most of the older malls dont have glass elevators and
the newer malls do

 What time would a mall in a large city close?
  >>
most of the malls around here close up pretty early... the ones downtown
close around 8 or 9, except at christmas time and the ones in the suburbs
close a little later around 9 or 10

I bet that is a lot  more than you ever wanted to know
Alicia (the mall rat)
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Irene, this is wonderful!  I love the way you write, and I love this family!

Hurry, hurry.......write more, please!

Piper
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Wendy Richards wrote:

> Hi Irene!
>
> I'm glad you've posted this at last - I still think it's as good as I
> told you it was weeks ago! Hurry up and post the next part... all I
> can say is, Irene fans, it gets even better!

Irene are you holding out on us?  How come Wendy got to read the next part
and we haven't?  No fair playing favorites.  Tell your editors to hurry up
so the rest of us can read it too.  Oh yeah, editors aren't to be hurried
(sigh).  OK, patience is my middle name.  I can wait.  I just don't see
why, when your such a good editor yourself, you'd have to send your work
out to someone else to correct goofs that are probably all in your mind
anyway.

Cindy
Who just remembered her middle name is Ann, and doesn't want to be patient
anymore.  Post the next part as is, and we'll edit it ourselves.
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Bung and it's various forms.

Okay I've seen this word used and still do not know
what it is.  What does it mean?

Its late at night and my puzzler's puzzed.

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Kathy said:
>Some scenes were cut out of the US airing of the pilot, but I believe
>between the script and the UK version, we've learned that Lois was 26 and
>Lucy was 22 in the pilot.
>

I've always wondered about that.  What exactly was cut for the US airing?
And why was it cut?  Time?

Jessi
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Oh, Laurie, did we not tell you? There is an official Irene's Number One
Fan Club in existence. Wendy and I are the charter members, but we welcome
anyone who wants to be an Irene's Number One Fan. It's a really good thing
to belong to, because then you don't have to feel like you are fighting
with other diehard fans in order to be her number one fan - you all share
both the priveleges and responsibilities of being Irene's Number One Fan.
(Incidently, Irene and I are charter members, and are welcoming new members
currently, to Wendy's Number One Fan Club... :)

Melisma

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At 12:52 PM 08/17/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 08/17/1999 9:20:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:
>
><< And have read
> the whole thing several times already :) >>
>
>and it's absolutely terrific each time, isn't it?
>
>--Laurie (Irene's number 1 fan)
>
>
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Well if that is the case, Irene, get your little tushie over there, cuz
part 6 is awaiting :)

Melisma

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At 10:00 AM 08/17/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Thank you, Mel, for the feedback.  And yes, you have sent me feedback
>for the previous chapters of S&S, so don't worry!
>
>I can certainly sympathise with your RL woes.  My life is upside down
>too - but fun!
>
>Just make sure that you have the time to write too, Mel.  Can't wait to
>read the next installment on Zoom's boards!
>
>Thanks again, and take care,
>Irene
>sirenegold@yahoo.com
>
>--- Melisma <melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA> wrote:
>> Wendy wrote:
>>
>> >... all I can say is, Irene fans, it gets even
>> better!
>>
>> I have to second that, everyone. Irene, life is
>> really mixed up for me at
>> the moment, and I don't know if I have given you any
>> proper feedback on
>> this *series* yet, let alone just this section. I
>> apologize for that, and
>> will tell you and the others that I really enjoy
>> this story. (And have read
>> the whole thing several times already :) As soon as
>> my current RL fun
>> settles down, I will sit down and write you aome
>> proper feedback, k?
>>
>> Melisma
>>
>
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At 11:42 PM -0500 8/17/99, Jessi Mounts wrote:

>I've always wondered about that.  What exactly was cut for the US airing?
>And why was it cut?  Time?

I don't have a list of scenes but maybe someone else does ... I know the
scene that we saw in the US between Lois and Lucy was longer in the UK.
Lois says "Geez, I'm only 26!" when Lucy tells her she needs to date more,
and Lucy says "26 today, 36 tomorrow".

There is also a scene where Perry finds Clark in the supply closet (coming
back from a resuce maybe) and says "Son, are you coming out of the closet
anytime soon?" <g>

There are more, but I can't think of them right now. Some of them were
added back in during the repeat of the pilot. The first airing was 90
minutes long minus commercials, but then when they made it into 2 hours
minus commericals for reruns, they added a few things back to make up the
extra time.

Kathy

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Hey, I'm one of Irene's fans, too.  Can't I join your club?  I feel left
out!

Nan

Melisma wrote:

> Oh, Laurie, did we not tell you? There is an official Irene's Number One
> Fan Club in existence. Wendy and I are the charter members, but we welcome
> anyone who wants to be an Irene's Number One Fan. It's a really good thing
> to belong to, because then you don't have to feel like you are fighting
> with other diehard fans in order to be her number one fan - you all share
> both the priveleges and responsibilities of being Irene's Number One Fan.
> (Incidently, Irene and I are charter members, and are welcoming new
members
> currently, to Wendy's Number One Fan Club... :)
>
> Melisma
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> At 12:52 PM 08/17/1999 EDT, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 08/17/1999 9:20:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:
> >
> ><< And have read
> > the whole thing several times already :) >>
> >
> >and it's absolutely terrific each time, isn't it?
> >
> >--Laurie (Irene's number 1 fan)
> >
> >
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Hey Nan (and anyone else) - just what does *anyone* mean? I was responding
to Laurie's post, so I used her name. But Wendy and I (and Irene and I, if
you are interested in the other club :) are *not* trying to leave anyone
out... You like the author, so welcome to the club - we'll all have fun
together. And embarrass our fave authors to death, to boot :D

Melisma

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At 10:01 PM 08/17/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey, I'm one of Irene's fans, too.  Can't I join your club?  I feel left
out!
>
>Nan
>
>Melisma wrote:
>
>> Oh, Laurie, did we not tell you? There is an official Irene's Number One
>> Fan Club in existence. Wendy and I are the charter members, but we
welcome
>> anyone who wants to be an Irene's Number One Fan. It's a really good
thing
>> to belong to, because then you don't have to feel like you are fighting
>> with other diehard fans in order to be her number one fan - you all share
>> both the priveleges and responsibilities of being Irene's Number One Fan.
>> (Incidently, Irene and I are charter members, and are welcoming new
members
>> currently, to Wendy's Number One Fan Club... :)
>>
>> Melisma
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> At 12:52 PM 08/17/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>> >In a message dated 08/17/1999 9:20:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA writes:
>> >
>> ><< And have read
>> > the whole thing several times already :) >>
>> >
>> >and it's absolutely terrific each time, isn't it?
>> >
>> >--Laurie (Irene's number 1 fan)
>> >
>> >
>
>
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Ok this review, or whatever it is, is really, really old!!!  I think it has
been 3 months at least since I read this story, {but since I was busy with
school and other things, I have finally gotten around to it.}  Fortunately,
I
had underlined everything I liked so it shouldn't be too hard to give my
review! <G>

Alexis ;-.)

S
P
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R

S
P
A
C
E

"Firestorm," is a great story, it was so wonderful and it kept me on the
edge
of my seat!   I don't know what else to say because it is that good!!

In this email I want to illustrate what some of my favorite lines of the
story was:

>>Since before I was born!  Uncle Herb, please explain more clearly.  I
think
I'm getting a headache!<<

It's shades of Lois Lane all over again!  LOL!  {the headache phrase is what
made me laugh.. It made me think of "Soul Mates."}

>>Herb spoke up. "No time like the present, my dear.  You scoot home, pack
and hurry back and we'll be off."<<

Now that line seems familiar.  ;)

{excerpt from a letter}

>>  As for the glasses, you could say they're a family tradition!<<

That was so cute and so true! <G>  It's nice to know that Lois and Clark
have
a future filled with offspring.

>>"And Superman is really Clark Kent.  I always knew they looked a little
alike, but... Oh my God!  Does Lois know?  I mean, she is married to him and
everything!  She must know, right?  What if she doesn't know?  Should we
tell
her?"  He waved his hands in the air.
"Gramps, I mean Dr. Klein.  Stop! You're babbling!"<<

I loved this section, it made me laugh and it sounded so like Dr. Klein.  In
a way I think this reaction would of been a more appropiate reaction for
Lois
to say in ATAI.  I can just see her now.. "Clark? You're Superman?    Does
your parents know?  I mean they raised you but you became Superman after you
came to Metropolis!" ;)

>>Clark grinned to himself.  Lee defended herself and Dr. Klein articulately
and logically, but there was passion there too.  She reminded him of Lois.<<

Lee was very much like Lois in ways.  I loved the way you took traits of
Lois
and incorporated them with Lee before everyone knew that Lee was Lois and
Clark's future granddaughter. =)

>>"What's going on here?" asked an authoritative voice from behind.  Lee
whirled to face the newcomer.
"Um...Superman!  This...man just tired to mug me!"  Lee noted Superman's
start of surprise when he saw who she was.
"Are you all right?" he asked in concern.
Lee felt off balance by his close proximity to her.
"Sure.  No problem.  It's a good thing my grandma taught me Tae Kwon Do!"
Lee
responded impishly.  This whole situation started to seem amusing.
The corners of his mouth twitched.  "I think your Grandma is someone I would
like to meet sometime."
Lee choked back laughter.  "Grandma is really something special!  I bet
you'd
like her!" she admitted.<<

LOL! ;)

>>"If you don't mind waiting.  I'll take this guy to the police and be right
back to make sure that you're home safely."
Her amusement fled.  He sounded awfully patronizing, she thought.  "Thanks,
Superman.  But I'm just a block away from home.  I should be fine," Lee
answered coolly.
He looked at her surprised by the sudden mood change.  He nodded, and bent
down, scooping up the mugger.  Then with a whoosh he was gone.
Lee continued on her way, bemused by the whole experience.  As she walked up
the steps of her apartment building, she noticed a figure hovering in the
air
above her.  If she hadn't had enhanced vision, she never would have known he
was there.  In spite of her feelings towards him, she was touched.  His
concern gave her a warm feeling of security.  It's too bad she couldn't feel
that way about him the rest of the time, she thought as her smile faded.<<

:( / :)

>>"Ooh, you've got it bad!" Clark teased.  "How do you think I felt about
Lois the first time I met her?" he asked.
"Oh no, I'm doomed!" Jimmy joked.<<

LOL!

>>I have incredible powers, but...at this moment in time, I feel completely
helpless.<<

The Superman complex.

>>She grinned.  "When my mom was treated with the same serum, she
experienced
a huge increase in her energy levels.  It was sort of like having the
nestling instinct run amuck!"
Superman threw his hands in the air.  "I have enough trouble keeping up with
her now; she's already a tornado!" he exclaimed.<<

LOL!  I just had to smile at that phrase because it is so true!

>>Lee sighed.  "It's not a fun situation, that's for sure.  I've talked this
to death with Uncle Bernie.  You know, Clark, the minute I saw Jimmy I felt
like... I don't know.. like a thunderbolt had slammed into me out of the
clear blue sky.  You told me - at least you will tell me, that you felt like
that with Lois.  And my dad never even looked a woman other than mom.  I
don't know if this certainty about someone is part of the Kryptonian
heritage, but at this moment in time, all I can say is - it really
stinks!"<<

It's nice to know that Clark and Lee can talk about something they have in
common.

"Lee, I'm thinking about what my life would have been like if I didn't have
Lois in it.  That's a life I don't ever want to face.  Until I met her, I
didn't know where I belonged.  I wasn't part of the world, but I wasn't
apart
>from it either.  I didn't even know how lost I felt, until I found myself
in
her.  Logically, I should tell you to run away from Jimmy as fast as you
can,
but love's not logical.  I really do believe the old saying, 'It's better to
have loved and lost than never too, have loved at all.' It's your decision,
and it's Jimmy's decision too, but...even if you only have a short time with
Jimmy, I still think you should be with him, and tell him everything... and
I
do mean everything.  It's time he knew the truth about me too; I've wanted
to
tell him for a long time.  If you want, Lois and I can help you tell him
...at least the part about me."<<

This was a very powerful paragraph.  I found it very beautiful and
emotional.

>>Firestorm took a deep breath.  "Jimmy, would you like to go flying with
me?"
"Oh, is that what they're calling it these days?"<<

Hehe ;)

>>The babies seemed to kick in response whenever they heard his voice.
Feeling quite bruised from the inside out, Lois was seriously considering
asking Clark to take a vow of silence!<<

ROTFL!

>>"These guys keeping me up half the night." She answered rubbing her belly.
She continued griping.  "And the next stranger who pats my stomach is going
to get decked."
"I can just see it.  Our babies, born in jail because my wife's been
arrested
for assault!" Clark teased.<<

Hee hee! ;)

>>"It's been discovered that prolonged physical contact with this aura has
beneficial effects for humans.  This is the reason your Grandmother is also
in such good shape for her age.  And, this is also a secondary reason why
they are aging at the same rate."<<

WOW!  It was wonderful to read that!  This made up for the bad news that was
given to Lois in BY.

I hope my comments helped.  Since i have read this, actually a couple of
weeks ago I started my own fanfic, so i enjoyed giving people feedback.  I
can't wait to read the rest of the stories in this series!  ;)
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Title           :  Universal Union 2     =

Part           :  1/6

Author    :  Jenni Debbage

Rating       :  PG-13

Feedback:  Comments welcome both public and privately.

Summary:    This is the second part of my story which follows Lois Lane t=
o
Krypton to live with her soulmate Kal-El.  In this episode we witness Loi=
s'
wonder and worry about being an 'alien' in this very different society an=
d
discover too the dangers that face Lois and Kal-El.

                                                            Chapter One

                                                        The  Homecoming

     Lois Lane, Earth woman and space traveller, stood bravely by the lar=
ge
doors of the space craft, waiting for the moment when she would first set=

eyes on the world that would be her home.  Unconsciously the hand that
rested in the grasp of Lord Kal-El, heir to this great planet, shook
slightly and the young woman was grateful for the answering touch she
received from her betrothed as he gently placed his free hand over their
clasped fingers.  Looking up into his eyes, she met encouragement and
understanding and his conspiratorial grin revived her somewhat fading
spirit.

     Her mind ranged over the names of those she was about to meet, hopin=
g
that busying herself with a specific task would halt her wildly cascading=

thoughts.  As she started to put speculative faces to the names she
remembered, her flight of fancy was interrupted by the swish of the wide
portal opening before her and, with a mixture of eagerness and anxiety, s=
he
 viewed the vista that was revealed.

    Even the lionhearted Lois was disconcerted by the scene that awaited
her.  The ship had landed in a very, very large hangar, where row upon ro=
w
of various types of space craft were docked in ever continuing lines.  On=
e
end of this giant barn like structure was open to an expanse of cloudy ru=
st
tinted sky where the ship had entered and thereafter floated a few feet
above the floor between the rows of other craft until it had reached its
specified docking bay.   If Lois had doubted that the world to which she
came was a highly advanced civilisation, the sight of these shining
streamlined ships dispelled any scepticism that lingered in her mind.  =

None of the other craft that filled this enormous building, however, coul=
d
compare in size and grandeur to the vessel in which she had arrived.  But=

then, she reasoned that the people of this planet would entrust their
precious heir to nothing but the very best.

     As the disembarkation ramp was lowered to the floor of this monstrou=
s
space port Kal-El, with Lois on his arm, took his place at the head of th=
e
crew's senior officers and, walking down through the ranks of military
personnel, he made his way to the welcoming committee.

     Unfortunately for Lois this group of people stood some way off on a
raised dais and she prayed as she walked by Kal's side that no one would
hear the knocking of her knees.  Perhaps the clash of highly polished boo=
ts
colliding together, as the serried ranks of soldiers snapped to attention=

at the couple's passing, drowned out the feeble clacking of her bones. =

Behind the lines of the military personnel, Lois could see other
overall-clad men standing in less organized lines.  Perhaps these were th=
e
civilian work force and her eyes opened in shock as she watched these men=

drop to one knee and bow their heads in greeting.

      Oh my, did they still do that sort of thing on this planet?  Judgin=
g
by the gleaming metal surrounding her she was evidently on a futuristic
world and yet she had a strange feeling of having been transported to the=

middle ages.  In time, Lois would learn that this was indeed true; Krypto=
n
would always be, in Lois' eyes, a much loved mass of contradictions.  =

     Too soon her musings were dispelled by their arrival at the foot of
the small flight of steps leading up to the platform that held the high a=
nd
mighty of Krypton.  The large body of sombrely clothed men with, unfairly=

in Lois' earth-bred view, only a small sprinkling of ladies had closely
watched the couple's progress from their elevated vantage point.

     Here she was again surprised when Kal bowed low to the old gentleman=

who stood at the head of the group.  Not wishing to appear irreverent and=

much to her own amazement, Lois too bobbed a quick curtsey, for which she=

received a courteous nod from the watching man and, if Lois were not
mistaken, a conspiratorial wink from a twinkling eye.

     As Kal straightened up he quickly mounted the steps till he stood
before Zor-El,  First Lord of Krypton and clasping his hands together
almost in a gesture of prayer he placed them within his uncle's grasp.  T=
he
illustrious leader of Krypton beamed proudly on his handsome nephew.  Kal=

was such a good boy, so bright and brave.  Without him Krypton had seemed=
 a
much drearier place.
  =

     "Welcome home, Kal."  The older man's voice was filled with warmth. =

"It is good to have you back with us.  You have been missed."  At these
last words, Zor-El's eyes slid over to a woman who stood a little to his
left.

     Kal's gaze followed that of his uncle and when it came to rest on th=
is
particular lady his chocolate brown eyes softened and a tender smile
touched his lips.  Standing below, a faint echo of jealousy stirred in
Lois' heart as she witnessed this silent exchange.  She had come to belie=
ve
that special look was reserved only for her.   Happily, however, as she
studied the woman carefully, she realized that this lady, though beautifu=
l,
was many years older than her fiance.  The lady was small and slim yet sh=
e
carried herself with a regal air, which at the moment was softened by a
lovely smile....... a smile that was so like that of her son.  The
realization that this was very probably Lara, her future mother-in-law,
dispelled all traces of jealousy from Lois' mind.  Kal quickly crossed to=

his mother and repeated the gesture he had first made with his uncle only=

this time their hands held tight to each other for some moments before Ka=
l
released his clasp and, turning to the tall man by Lara's side, offered h=
is
hands again.

     "Greetings, Father, Mother.  It is good to be back with you again.  =
I
hope that you are well."  The words were formal, but the feelings behind
them were sincere.

     "Indeed, we are, my son."  Lara blinked back a few tears as she spok=
e.
 This public meeting was no place for her to show the deep emotions she w=
as
feeling at the return of her beloved son.  Their true welcome could take
place later in the privacy of their home.

     Lois had felt  somewhat abandoned while she waited alone by the stai=
rs
and to hold her loneliness at bay, she had employed her reporter's
instincts and viewed the unfolding scene as if she were taking notes for =
a
covering story.  Disappointingly Lord Zor-El was not at all how Lois had
imagined a great leader would look, assuming of course that there was a
'look' for world rulers.  He was tall, a few inches taller than Kal, but
more slender than seemed healthy, and his skin was pale.  Short dark hair=

streaked with grey topped a narrow face which was heavily lined.  Were
these lines, deeply sculpted on Zor's face, due to the weighty
responsibilities of his position?  All in all Lois had the impression of =
a
care-worn individual and yet this perception was dispelled by a pair of
intelligent, sparkling eyes.  Eyes which were now turned in her direction=

and Lois became uncomfortably aware that the said gentleman was returning=

her scrutiny, an amused smile dancing on his lips.

     "Kal, my boy, I believe you are remiss in your duties," Zor's laughi=
ng
tone belied the =

scolding words.  "This young lady will be thinking that Kryptonians are a=
n
ill-mannered race."

     The young lord blushed a rosy pink, but he hurried to amend his
blunder, whispering an apology to his future bride as he escorted her to
his waiting family.

     "Forgive me, Lord Zor," Kal's head dipped a little at his words yet,=

leading Lois forward, his firm chin lifted and he declared with pride. =

"May I present Ms Lois Lane of the planet Earth."  Kal raised Lois' hand
and placed it in the palm of his uncle's outstretched hand, but Lois
forestalled his action and with careful deliberation she imitated what sh=
e
concluded must be the Kryptonian equivalent of a handshake.  =

     Zor's aristocratic eyebrows rose in appreciation.  "I am honoured to=

meet you, Ms Lois Lane of Earth."  The words were delivered in clear
cultured English while the older man's face crinkled with smiles. =

Immediately Lois reviewed her earlier assumption; some of these facial
creases might be laughter lines.  "As First Lord of this planet I welcome=

you on behalf of my family and my people."  Lois' hands were still retain=
ed
by Zor's long fingers.  "I hope that your journey was a pleasant one."

     "Thank you, sir.  I was looked after very well."  Lois found that he=
r
frayed nerves were steadying under his fatherly approval.  "Space travel
was definitely a new experience, but I liked it......it
was..........interesting....... exciting."  His smile was contagious and
she returned his grin brightly.

     "Yes, I too find it most exhilarating and it is far too long since I=

ventured into space.  Perhaps when I retire I can indulge my pleasure in
journeying.  I know my wife Rochelle would dearly love to visit her home
again." =

     As he talked Zor included the lady by his side in the conversation a=
nd
Lois turned her attention to Krypton's First Lady.  If Zor-El's appearanc=
e
had surprised Lois, the diminutive figure who stepped forward astounded
her; Lady Rochelle was a plump grey haired lady with an unremarkable yet
kind face.  At the moment she was smiling gently on the young couple and
particularly on her nephew.  Devoid of the comfort of children of her own=
,
she had lavished all her motherly care on this young man.

     "So, dear Kal, your quest was successful?"  The lady's voice was low=
. =

"My, she is so pretty.  It's all right to say that, Kal, isn't it?"  And
she turned anxiously to her nephew.

     "Why don't you ask Lois, Aunt Rochelle," Kal suggested kindly.

     But here Lois elected to speak for herself.  "It's kind of you to sa=
y
so, my lady."  She was spouting dialogue like a heroine in one of those
historical romance novels, which she never admitted to reading, and she
fought an untimely urge to giggle.  This was so bizarre.

     Meantime the tiny lady had enveloped her nephew and his bride-to-be =
in
a joint hug which took Lois by surprise having learnt during the voyage o=
f
the Kryptonians' lack of demonstrative behaviour.  Yet here was the most
prominent female in the land showing openly her somewhat sentimental joy =
at
Kal's return.  Even his mother had forborne to touch him beyond that firs=
t
formal greeting.

     Attuned to Lois' reaction, Lady Rochelle whispered confidentially,
"Don't mind me, child, I'm Zirconian."  Then, as if that was the only
explanation necessary, she continued as loudly as her gentle voice would
allow.  "I too bid you welcome to our world, Lois Lane, and hope that in
the years ahead Krypton brings you as much joy as it has me."  And a
silvery tinkling laugh accompanied her greeting.  Why then did Lois suspe=
ct
she heard the unspoken words....... and sorrow?

     Fortunately for Lois' equanimity, she was distracted from her
disquieting notion by the approach of Kal's parents, coming forward to ma=
ke
their introductions.  Lara was the first to offer her greeting.

     "I am most happy to have you here with us, Lois Lane.  I am Lara,
Kal's mother."  While she spoke, she offered the Earth girl her praying
hands and Lois was quick to give the customary response.  "I know well ho=
w
deeply distressed my son would have been had you chosen to remain on
Earth."  =

     The words were said kindly but the look Lois received was one of
appraisal.  Apparently, as far as her future mother-in-law was concerned,=

the jury was still out on whether Kal's choice had been a wise one.  Well=
,
Lois could sympathise with the woman's concerns.  She had a few of her ow=
n.
 It didn't take a degree in psychology  to discern that there were many =

undercurrents drifting around in this family. =

     A deep melodic voice was enquiring into her well-being and Lois shoo=
k
herself free of her worrying thoughts; there would be time to examine the=
m
later.

     "How do you do, Ms Lane?  I believe that is the correct greeting giv=
en
on Earth."  The gentleman who escorted Lara now addressed Lois in a
friendly manner.  "My name is Jor-El and I look forward to getting to kno=
w
you." =

       At last, a hello that seemed free of hidden nuances and Lois
responded with a grateful if somewhat tremulous smile.  Ironically the me=
n
in this family offered her an unconditional welcome.  Therefore, Lois was=

not surprised by Zor-El's thoughtful suggestion.

     "Kal-El, I'm sure that your betrothed must be feeling a little stunn=
ed
by the size of her reception committee, not to mention exhausted by her
extended journey in space.  Besides, I'm growing a little uncomfortable
myself, standing around in this draughty hall.  I propose that the rest o=
f
the family introductions take place at home and that the council and cour=
t
can wait until the morrow."  Zor indicated the curious courtiers that
huddled on the dais behind the royal house of Krypton, each striving to
gain an advantage point on the cramped podium.   "Let's all go home."

     =
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Title           :  Universal Union 2     =

Part           :  2/6

Author    :  Jenni Debbage

Rating       :  PG-13

Feedback:  Comments welcome both public and privately.

Summary:    This is the second part of my story which follows Lois Lane t=
o
Krypton to live with her soulmate Kal-El.  In this episode we witness Loi=
s'
wonder and worry about being an 'alien' in this very different society an=
d
discover too the dangers that face Lois and Kal-El.

     A rolling hum of disgruntled voices met their Lord's pronouncement. =

The assembled nobles had been eager to assess the new bride.  Now it seem=
ed
that their journeys through the inclement weather had not been necessary.=
 =

At least they had all caught a glimpse of the girl and it was a general
consensus that she was exceedingly lovely, though some opinions were more=

grudging than others. =

     A certain number of the noble council and lords of Krypton were
concerned at the choice of an Earth woman.  According to the archived
history of that far off planet the race was a particularly tempestuous an=
d
aggressive one.  Of course, their own history was not without its wars an=
d
revolutions, but they had moved far beyond the disruptive behaviour that
led to such confrontations.   So was it wise to introduce a member of a
race, who had difficulty suppressing their passion, into the calm
tranquillity of their beloved home? =

     The more truthful lords and ladies might admit that there were still=

some Kryptonians whose civility was only a thin veneer.  Furthermore, the=
re
were many who believed that one small woman could have little effect on t=
he
lives of a content and stable society.  Happily for their own continued
peace of mind they did not yet know Ms Lois Lane.

     Much in the majority amidst the noble classes, however, were those i=
n
whose opinion Earth was the sister world of Krypton, if a century or so
behind on the evolutionary scale.  It was this group of loyal El supporte=
rs
who had approved Kal's proposal and had persuaded or cajoled the doubters=

not to veto Lois Lane as the heir apparent's bride.  Yet even amongst thi=
s
championing group disappointment was rife as the nobles had wished to
extend their support to the young stranger.

     And so for some minutes dissension was given free rein in the cold
echoing confines of the spaceport until as one the frail old ruler and hi=
s
vigorous young heir turned their gazes upon the complaining crowd.  For t=
he
first time Lois witnessed the control that these two men held over this
planet and people, as silence fell like a smothering blanket over the
gathered aristocracy.  Lois didn't really approve of such absolute power
and yet watching its use was awesome. =

     Satisfied that his will would prevail Zor-El redirected his attentio=
n
to the young couple.  "Kal, my boy, why don't you escort your Aunt Rochel=
le
to the transporters.  She's been looking forward to hearing of your
adventures off world.  I will accompany your betrothed and she and I will=

continue to become acquainted."

     Lois didn't wholly approve of this cavalier distribution of her pers=
on
either, yet she had a strong suspicion that this was neither the time nor=

the place to exert her modern woman liberated tendencies, so she accepted=

Zor's proffered arm and allowed herself to be led in the direction of the=

exit.

     "It really is perplexing, Lois Lane, that in a society as advanced a=
s
we profess to be, that we could not build a spaceport  that caters a litt=
le
more for our creature comforts.  When I viewed the holograms Kal relayed
back home, I noticed, with some envy I must confess, that your 'airports'=
,
I believe that was what they were called, were remarkably comfortable
places, with shops and eating places and........ *seats*."

       Lois would scarcely have described these busy overcrowded building=
s
back home as comfortable but she refrained from spoiling the old man's
image.  Besides, an unexpected surge of home sickness prevented her from
decrying anything associated with Earth.  Zor- El's inconsequential chatt=
er
continued and Lois wondered if perhaps this astute man had sensed her moo=
d
and was giving her time to compose herself.   =

     "Of course, we lofty Kryptonians are supposed to prefer intellectual=

comfort above our physical well being, which if you don't mind my saying =
so
is........ crap'........"

     A startled gasp from Lois interrupted my Lord's diatribe.  His mobil=
e
eyebrows rose.  "What?!  Did I say that wrong?  And I was hoping that I
could make you feel at home with my use of your language.  How like an ol=
d
man to put his foot in his mouth when trying to impress a pretty young
lady."

     "No!  Oh no!"  Lois hurried to explain.  "Your terminology was
correct, very apt and very colourful.  I just didn't expect to hear
something like that from .........." =

     "From the illustrious ruler of Krypton."  Zor-El suggested.  "You're=

in good company, my dear, neither would my Council.  They would think I'd=

lost my mind and would probably have me committed, as I think they would
say on your world."

     "Your command of English is excellent, sir."

     "It is?!"  At his young companion's nod a happy grin spread across
Zor's face, transforming his long-suffering mien of earlier.  "Kal and I
used to study the language together when he was a boy.  We have always
shared a keen interest in your home planet and like all Kryptonians we
learnt the most common language, although I was always afraid that we mig=
ht
be too formal, especially since our first studies were Shakespeare and a
number of English poets.  Those were the books chosen by Kal-El's tutors,=

but I felt that they weren't right.....too old and outdated, though the
content of some of Shakespeare's plays was  a mite risque; girls dressing=

up as boys; murder most foul and unseemly relationships.  I decreed that
they weren't particularly suitable for a growing boy, so we tuned in, via=

satellite, to some of your TV channels instead.  I remember a particular
show that we enjoyed...... now let me see....... what was it
called........?"  His brow furrowed in thought for a moment then his eyes=

brightened.  "Yes, I remember.  It was called Star Trek', a tale of
Earthlings venturing into space, to boldly go where no man has gone befor=
e.
 We liked that one."

     A picture of the adolescent Kal and the regal Zor avidly switching o=
n
each week to watch a US sci-fi production lifted Lois' lowering mood and
the irony that this particular member of a highly intellectual race shoul=
d
consider a light entertainment programme more suitable than the classics
was interesting and strangely comforting.  Perhaps these people were not =
so
different from those she had left behind.  =

     As the small hand that rested on his arm relaxed, the wise old man
smiled secretly.  His strategy was successful, the child had lost her
startled fawn look and the slender shoulders had squared.  Lois Lane's
fighting spirit had returned and she was ready to face whatever this new
home had to offer her.

     Earth-made TV programmes were not the only satellite broadcasts that=

Zor-El had watched with his nephew.  Very quickly he had become aware of
the boy's fascination with the spunky American girl and he had monitored
the transmissions carefully, mainly because he didn't wish Kal's interest=

to focus on someone who would be quite unsuitable.  In time, as he watche=
d
the girl grow into a lovely young woman, the wily ruler had concluded tha=
t
the feisty, tenacious Lois Lane was just what was required on his world. =
 =

     Krypton had become too sanitised, its citizens too pragmatic and
dispassionate and increasingly self-satisfied.  What was needed was a
catalyst that would rekindle the fire that had once burned so brightly in=

the hearts of his people and Zor firmly believed that Lois would be perfe=
ct
for the job.  However, he first had to ensure that the girl's lively spir=
it
was not worn down by the restrictions and responsibilities placed upon he=
r
by virtue of her position.       =

     His own dear Rochelle had not been capable of withstanding the
pressures and the First Lady was now a shadow of the kind, carefree,
laughing girl he had brought to Krypton as his bride.  Hopefully, Lois
would not have the same heartbreaking problems in producing an heir  as h=
ad
Rochelle and Kal was made of sterner stuff than he himself had once been.=
  =

     It had taken Zor many long and hard years to learn the art of
leadership, listening often in the beginning to the wrong counsel and
allowing self-seeking noblemen to persuade him into making too many
mistaken judgements.  Ominously, it now seemed that one of these past
errors was returning to haunt them but this was a day of celebration and =
he
pushed that melancholy thought aside.  Through the years he had taught
himself statesmanship and these unscrupulous manipulators had discovered
that their generous victim had eluded them.  Finally, Zor-El had taken
control and appointed a less selfish council.  Nonetheless, the path to
reach his present altruistic governorship had been long and hard and he a=
nd
his family had experienced many heartbreaks along the way.

    All these lessons he had attempted to pass on to his nephew and
fortunately Kal had proved to be an apt and willing pupil.  Though an
extremely kind and considerate youngster, Kal's friendly nature masked a
strong determined will.  The future Lord of Krypton would not allow himse=
lf
or his lady to be bullied.  And Zor had the stimulating notion that Ms La=
ne
would be perfectly capable of standing up to the staid, stuffy council
members.  Life on Krypton was about to become very interesting.

     The party led by Zor and Lois reached the exit at the far end of the=

building and, as they approached, the doors slid silently open to reveal =
a
large concourse filled with car-size egg- shaped objects,  laying
horizontally on the ground.  On Zor-El's arrival the first and one of the=

largest eggs rose into the air, pointed nose forward, and with a slight
purring sound glided forward and stopped before them.  Lois was reminded =
of
the taxi rank outside Metropolis Transcontinental Rail Station, except no=

earthbound taxi ever resembled these streamlined hovering ovals.

     "Sadly, my child, this is where I must take my leave of you for
today," Zor-El addressed his youthful companion once more and Lois felt a=
n
unmistakable surge of panic at his words.  This gentleman had been her
guide through a new and, in some respect, bewildering experience and she
was loathe to relinquish the security of his presence.  Sensing her mood,=

Zor explained kindly.  "I am sorry that our first meeting must be so brie=
f.
 Kal will take you to his parents' house, Ro-Ellion, while I must return =
to
The Palace.  But don't despair, you and Kal will visit us on the morrow,
when you will be introduced to the councillors.   I know, my dear, a
tiresome prospect but one that I'm afraid cannot be put off any longer an=
d
afterwards there shall be a little family gathering where you and I can
continue our conversation."  Searching the lovely brown eyes that regarde=
d
him so candidly, he enquired hearteningly,  "Shall you enjoy that prospec=
t
as much as I?"

     Though the idea of a family gathering did not appeal, family
gatherings never having been very pleasant in Lois' past, she hurried to
assure her new friend that she too looked forward to renewing their
acquaintance.  "Oh yes, and you can tell me all about Kal when he was a
boy.  And about the........."  And here Lois lowered her voice,  "the
Councillors.  There are a few who look a little...... grave."  Lois
inserted this adjective, feeling that her first choice would not be
received well.          =

     Her words were met by a shout of laughter.  "You mean tedious......
and, child, in some instances your estimation is correct.  However, for t=
he
most part, they are good men and I will happily direct you to the most
interesting, those who I am honoured to call friends.  But now I must bid=

you farewell."  With great dignity Lord Zor-El bowed low over Lois Lane's=

hand, announcing to all those watching that this lady had found favour wi=
th
their ruler and that she was from this day forward under his protection. =
 =

     As soon as Kal had relinquished his Aunt to the care of his Uncle, t=
he
older couple stepped through the wall of the transporter and settled
themselves in the comfortable interior.  Three uniformed bodyguards climb=
ed
onboard and stationed themselves dutifully behind the First Lord and his
Lady.   Lois was surprised by the entry, though in fact she had used this=

same method with the Orb ship, but she was unprepared for the shell of th=
e
vehicle to become transparent whenever the occupants were inside, but she=

swallowed her astonishment and waved goodbye to her new friends as the
transporter carried them away.     =

    The royal transport gathered speed and was joined by two escort
vehicles, taking station front and rear of the craft.  Watching the small=

convoy disappear into the distance, Lois wondered whether the military
escort was purely ceremonial, she had not forgotten Kal's disquieting wor=
ds
concerning a certain menacing lord.
  =

     A hand on her arm brought her back to the present and she was startl=
ed
by the arrival of another transporter, clearly their own.  Quickly the
family of El boarded their transporter, not wishing to linger in the cold=

freezing fog that clung in tendrils about the courtyard of the spaceport.=
 =

Ching and Poli followed closely behind and, as the purr of the engine
deepened, the hovering vehicle sped off in the direction of a distant cit=
y.

      Eagerly viewing the landscape of her new home from the comfort and
warmth of the vehicle, Lois was entranced by the snow-clad vista. The
rolling hills through which they travelled were a pristine white and the
trees that marched sedately to the summits were weighed down by their
frozen blanket.  A strange cloudy reddish-grey sky bore down on the hill
tops and tentacles of mist reached out to entrap the transporter as it
travelled above the icy ground.  Kal-El had mentioned that it was winter =
on
Krypton yet somehow she had expected that on this world filled with
technological wizardry, snow would be cleared away instantly.  And yet as=

the transport was of the hovering variety it didn't much matter that the
roads should be cleared.  And maybe they didn't have roads anyhow.  And t=
he
silent winter wonderland scenes were ethereally lovely.  =

     The spaceport was situated a few miles from Elvar, the main city of
Krypton and seat of the House of El.  In this great city built on the ban=
ks
of the river El, the Royal Palace, the centre of planetary government,
towered above the wide streets and avenues of the town.  For reasons of
defence the ancient castle had been constructed many hundreds of years
before on a rocky promontory overlooking the mouth of the river.  Now tha=
t
the planet had embraced peace defence was no longer an issue, nevertheles=
s
the impregnable walls rising from their elevated site remained a symbol o=
f
omnipotence.

      Nestled below the monumental rock, the beautiful city spread out in=

elegant lines along the river.  Spacious avenues, bordered with many fine=

homes belonging to the noble families of Krypton, ran parallel with the
great waterway, giving each edifice a clear view of the river and the
countryside beyond.  Of course, these aristocrats had vast lands of their=

own over which they held sway yet, due to the court's presence in this
city, most had built residences close to the seat of power and the longer=

and more consequential the lineage of the family the greater and more
prestigious the mansion.  =

      Nearby  the noble dwellings of Elvar, the grand financial
institutions were founded, operated by ancient banking dynasties whose
influence was almost as far reaching  as that of the nobles.  And not to =
be
outdone in splendour the rich merchants too had a district of their own,
which vied in architectural grandeur with the older edifices.  =

     Even the labouring classes of this city, under the benign lordship o=
f
the Els, were comfortably domiciled.  These houses were considerably
smaller in proportion but well constructed and were set amongst the
abundant parkland that quartered Elvar.  Recently the market places and
artistic centres had been given a timely face lift and if there was a slu=
m
area in this city it was carefully hidden.  This was a prosperous and
seemingly utopian society.                =

     And into this aesthetic setting came a citizen of Metropolis, probab=
ly
one of the most untidy, dirty, seething cities that Earth had to offer an=
d
also the most exciting, thought provoking, passionate place in the galaxy=
. =

Yet, already this Metropolitan had discerned that beneath Krypton's
seemingly sterile surface an emotional and greedy cauldron bubbled and
roiled.  And Lois was about to discover one of its sources.

                                                                         =
  =

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Title           :  Universal Union 2     =

Part           :  3/6

Author    :  Jenni Debbage

Rating       :  PG-13

Feedback:  Comments welcome both public and privately.

Summary:    This is the second part of my story which follows Lois Lane t=
o
Krypton to live with her soulmate Kal-El.  In this episode we witness Loi=
s'
wonder and worry about being an 'alien' in this very different society an=
d
discover too the dangers that face Lois and Kal-El.

                                                                 Chapter
Two

                                                              The Family =
of
El

     Being one of the oldest mansions of Elvar, surprisingly  Ro-Ellion w=
as
not one of the largest houses nor was it situated close by the Palace. =

Ro-Ellion graced the banks of the river at the very boundary of the city,=

yet its remote position afforded it a privacy that the other noble homes
lacked.  Set at the head of a large terraced garden that sloped down to t=
he
shore, the ancient weathered stone lent a sense of permanence and strengt=
h
to the family dwelling place.  Now, as Lois first set eyes on her new abo=
de
in its mantle of glistening snow, it reminded her of a fairytale castle,
sitting serenely amidst its winter garlands.

     The transporter dropped in speed as it manoeuvred its way between an=

avenue of trees, their snow laden branches dipping towards the small craf=
t,
and finally glided to a halt before a wide portico.  The family alighted
>from the vehicle to be greeted by the heavy wooden doors swinging back an=
d
an important uniformed individual coming forward to meet them.

     "Welcome home, Lord Kal-El."  The man bowed low before his young lor=
d,
as did the line of similarly liveried servants (Lois assumed they would b=
e
servants ) ranked behind him.  "May I take the liberty of informing you
that you have been missed by all at Ro-Ellion."

     "Thank you, Ernst."  Kal acknowledged.  "It's good to be home."  And=

his heart stopping smile encompassed the waiting group.  Slowly he turned=

to Lois and offered his hand to lead her forward.  "My people, I should
like to present to you my bride-to-be, Ms Lois Lane."  His eyes softened =
as
they beckoned her.  "Lois, this is Ernst, our major-domo.  He has been wi=
th
us since I was a boy and without his organization the house would collaps=
e
about our heads."

     This statement was not totally true as Lara was a most efficient
mistress of the house but Kal's words proved how much appreciated was thi=
s
long serving retainer.  =

      Again the old seneschal bowed low and his appreciative eyes twinkle=
d.
 He too had been privy to Kal's obsession with the Earth girl and he was
delighted that the young master had won his fair lady.  "Welcome to
Krypton, Lady Lois," Lois started at the title.  This was going to take
some getting used to.  Meanwhile Ernst was continuing with his greeting. =

"And to Ro-Ellion.  We have tried to anticipate your wishes and we hope y=
ou
will be comfortable here, but if there is anything you need, anything tha=
t
we have overlooked, please  let us know and we will happily set the matte=
r
right."

     There was an expectant pause and Lois realised with a slight shock
that they were waiting for her to speak, something that
uncharacteristically she was finding difficult to do.  Get a grip, Lois ,=

she commanded herself, you may feel like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz, b=
ut
this is no dream.  This is the life you chose for yourself and the sooner=

you adjust to it the better.  So placing a gracious smile on her face ( w=
as
gracious what was required here?) she replied to the waiting major-domo a=
nd
his line of servants.

     "Thank you.  It is very kind of you all to have gone to so much
trouble.  I'm sure I shall find everything I need."  Lois was floundering=
,
talking to life long retainers was not a skill she had much use for on
Earth.  Was she being too informal or too standoffish?   She just didn't
know.  She really ought to have had some etiquette training on the journe=
y.
 Was there a manual available on How to be a First Lady'?    =

     Her ascent into mild hysterics was halted as Kal led her down the li=
ne
of house servants, introducing each of them by name as they passed.  She
would never remember them, there were just too many names and she panicke=
d
anew.  First in line was the house keeper, Mari, followed by a handful of=

housemaids and footmen; next was the kitchen staff, presided over by a
lofty looking chef called Burdom and bringing up the rear the outside
staff, the gardeners and handymen. Listening closely to the earthbound
titles placed on each member of staff, Lois slowly realised something
important and she hurriedly turned to Kal.

    "They're all speaking English," she whispered.

     "Yes, Mother thought that it would make you feel more at home."

     "And we've all been taking a refresher course in your language.  It
was most enjoyable."  Ernst interjected.

     Tears pricked behind Lois' eyes and threatened to spill over.  "Than=
k
you all so much.  It is a very kind thought and I do appreciate your
efforts."

     At that moment, aware that her future daughter-in-law was close to
weeping and having a dislike of public displays of emotion, Lara stepped
forward.  "I think that some herbal tea would be nice, Ernst."  Calm and
serene as always the Lady of El directed her little party on into the
house.  "We will take tea in the garden room, Ernst."

     "Very good, milady.  You will find Lady Zara there."

     Once again, Lois allowed herself to be led away, this time through t=
he
corridors of the ancient house until they emerged into a spacious glass
house burgeoning with exotic plants, reminiscent of the orchid house that=

Lois had once visited at Metropolis' Botanical Gardens.  Riotous colour a=
nd
heady scents abounded, very incongruous with the wintry white and grey
scene outside the windows.

     Seated amongst the foliage a slim young woman was reading from a sma=
ll
electronic book.  Her dark hair hung like shimmering velvet to her waist
and at present hid her face from view of the approaching group.  However,=

as soon as she was alerted to their presence, she laid the book quickly
aside and sprang from her chair, running to Kal's side and throwing her
arms around his neck.  So much for Kryptonian pragmatism.  Kal's younger
sister evidently was not uncomfortable with a show of feelings and neithe=
r
was Kal as he hugged his sibling enthusiastically in return.

     "I am so glad to see you, Kal.  I was afraid that something bad migh=
t
happen to you on such a long journey.  Your ship might have been hit by a=
n
asteroid or attacked by the Taureans or the Earthlings might not have tak=
en
kindly to being visited by aliens.  They might have locked you up in a la=
b
and dissected you like a frog."  She babbled breathlessly.

     "Well, as you can see none of these terrible things occurred."  Zara=

stood back as he spoke and checked him over to make sure that he was
telling the truth.  "I and all the members of the expedition returned
safely." =

      Because Lois was watching this exchange with deep interest, she
caught the meaningful look that passed between brother and sister, a look=

which neither of their parents seemed aware off.  Had Lois stumbled acros=
s
another secret?  With an unconscious sigh of gratitude Zara hugged Kal's
neck again and whispered an almost inaudible thank you in his ear.  =

     "That's enough, you two," Lara's command ended the sibling's embrace=
. =

"Zara, you are a grown woman now and you really must refrain from these
sentimental outbursts."

     The young woman seemed rather dejected at her mother's scold but Kal=

was not to be so easily subdued.  "What's wrong, Mama," and he used his
boyhood endearment.  "Are you by any chance jealous?"

     A reproving frown met this demand, a frown that was speedily dispell=
ed
by a warm throaty laugh.  "My son, you are incorrigible, but you are righ=
t.
 Come and give your mother a hug."  Her arms opened wide and Kal stepped
inside them, circling his arms about her waist and hugging her back.

     Lois found herself letting out the breath that she had been unaware =
of
holding inside.  Memories of seeking yet not receiving an embrace from he=
r
parents had made her heart ache fleetingly for Kal-El.  But there had bee=
n
no need, even on this planet with its strict traditions of formality,
behind closed doors this particular family yielded naturally to their
feelings, a circumstance emphasised by the embrace that was now being
exchanged between father and son.

     "Kal, don't you think it's about time you introduced me to your
betrothed?"  Zara had regained her earlier high spirits and now was
demanding to meet with her new sister.

      And for sometime the family indulged in a pleasant exchange of idea=
s
and information, laying the foundations of what would hopefully become a
strong friendship with the newest member of the family circle.  Tea was
brought in by the unobtrusive Ernst and after serving her family, Lara
broached a more serious topic.

     "I invited Keira to be here with us today, but as you see, sadly she=

did not deign to accept the invitation."  Lara sat more upright in her
chair as she divulged this piece of information.

     "My love, I don't know why you troubled."  Jor-El sitting close by h=
is
wife's side reached over and patted her hand consolingly.  "You must have=

realised by now that Rad-Nor would never willingly set foot inside our
door."

     "I'm quite aware of that fact." Lara's voice showed some annoyance a=
t
his words.  "I did, however, expect Keira to make the effort to come alon=
e
to welcome her only brother back home."

     At the name of Rad-Nor, Lois' interest was alerted.  Recalling the
conversations, which she had with Kal on board the spacecraft, surely tha=
t
was the name of the Lord who was causing the El family such worry?  Now i=
t
seemed that Kal's elder sister was connected in some way to the guy.

     "Mama," Kal's tone was conciliatory.  "Rad-Nor wouldn't give Keira
permission to travel to Elvar alone."

     "And why would she need his permission?  Everyone knows that their
marriage is in tatters; that they lead separate lives.  Why can't she vis=
it
her family?"  This last question was coloured by a mother's worry over he=
r
elder daughter's unhappy life style.

     Lois blanched!  Keira was married to the enemy!  But why hadn't Kal
told her this during their talks?  She didn't appreciate being left in th=
e
dark yet the conversation was proceeding so she turned her concentration =
to
the flow of harsh words. =

     "Painful though it might be to admit, Lara, I believe that Keira
blames us for her disastrous marriage."  Jor-El's shoulders slumped at th=
is
admission.  "We should never have acquiesced to the council's proposal fo=
r
the marriage."

     "Zor-'s too, don't forget."  The mother tiger's voice was sharp with=

regret.  "Your precious brother agreed to the alliance and how could we
have withstood their joint wishes?  =

Besides, we had no idea, back then that the boy would grow into an ogre."=

     "At least be honest, Mother," Kal added rather disapprovingly. =

"There's been bad blood in the Nor family for generations."

     "If the marriage is so very bad, why does she not divorce him?"

      Four shocked pairs of eyes turned on Lois.  At least three of the
owners of the astounded gazes had not expected any input into the
conversation from that quarter.  Kal, on the other hand, after the initia=
l
shock had worn off, realised that Lois' interjection was inevitable. =

     "I'm sorry, Lois, if it seems we have been ignoring you.  As you can=

tell this is a very emotional subject for us and I will explain........
everything."  He shot both parents a challenging look as he spoke but
neither one offered any resistance.  "But first you have to know that her=
e
on Krypton there is no divorce, unless requested by the husband and
sanctioned by the council.  On Krypton alliances between the noble famili=
es
are often cemented by marriage of the offspring of these houses.  These
betrothals normally take place when the children are young but once enter=
ed
into they are binding.  When the children grow to adulthood the wedding
ceremony takes place and the two houses are united.  This is not always a=
n
ideal way for a marriage to be successful but it is the Kryptonian way an=
d
surprisingly it works in most cases.  Sometimes the couples even fall in
love with their arranged partners."  =

     Kal pointedly extended his gaze to include his parents and Lois was
delighted to see a faint blush stain both faces as they became aware of
their son's implication.  As two representatives of the foremost houses o=
f
this planet theirs was indeed an arranged marriage and both families had
profited from the alliance; the Els acquired new territory and the people=

of Ra gained a powerful protector.  Happily for the couple love too had
blossomed between the beautiful highborn Lara, only child of the house of=

Ra and Jor the quiet, studious second son of the royal family.  But thoug=
h
Lara and Jor had found contentment in their union, accustomed as they wer=
e
to this practise, neither had considered that their daughters should not =
be
contracted in political marriages.

     "After their defeat in the civil war, which I have already told you
of," Kal continued with his explanation.  "The Nors retired into their
heartland to nurse their wounds and rebuild their devastated country and
for nearly two hundred years they remained in obscurity.  Then some years=

before my birth the incumbent Lord petitioned the newly enthroned Zor-El
and his council for permission to return to public life.  Believing that
the family had repented of their warring ways, the request was sanctioned=

and Lord Re-Nor duly took his place in the court and council.  Echoes,
however, of that far off travail still lingered and in an effort to preve=
nt
a recurrence, the Nors were offered an alliance with the Els.  A betrotha=
l
between Rad-Nor and Keira was arranged and in due course the wedding took=

place and the union was consummated."  It was apparent from Kal's mulish
expression that this marriage was not one he had agreed with, but no-one
had taken much notice of the opinion of a twelve-year- old boy.  =

"Unfortunately, it has not been a happy union but there is little that ca=
n
be done to set things right."

     In Kal's discomfiture Lois had her reason for her betrothed's
omission.  The adolescent Kal had been shamed by his family's compliance =
in
the completion of his sister's marriage contract to a man he deemed
completely unsuitable.  Sometime in the near future she would make it pla=
in
to him that she should not be shielded from the unsavoury points of his
family history.  In the meantime, however, Lois was determined to discove=
r
all she could about her soon to be relations.

     "So your sister is stuck in a loveless marriage?"

     "I'm afraid so."  Dejection filled Kal's voice at the admission.

      Lois looked in condemnation at the family of El sitting about her. =

"But that's terrible!"  The guilty four refused to meet her eyes.  "Kal, =
we
have to do something about that!"

     "LO-IS, NO!  It is not for you to interfere in what doesn't concern
you."  The words were delivered like a whiplash.

     Only once  had she heard Kal employ this tone when on board ship he
had come across a serious dereliction of duty by a lazy crew member which=

might have resulted in the breakdown of the spacecraft's protective shiel=
d.
 Back then she had understood his ire, even sympathised, but never had sh=
e
expected him to turn such anger on her.  Yet watching with eyes wide she
realised that Kal too was taken aback by his outburst.  His look of
vexation was replaced by one of deep remorse and in her mind she heard hi=
s
voice asking to be absolved.  At once she recognized that not even his
closest family was privy to Kal's future intentions to reform life on
Krypton.  She remembered Kal's words of warning that there would be those=

on Krypton who would resist reform and, having now experienced for hersel=
f
a little of the turbulence behind the structured lives of this society, s=
he
had a deeper understanding for the need for secrecy.  The knowledge that
she alone shared his innermost plans warmed her heart and, contrary to al=
l
her former habitual responses to censure, she bestowed on him a forgiving=

smile.

     If this exchange between the young couple perplexed the others, it w=
as
not remarked upon.  Instead Jor-El interposed kindly with just a hint of
censure.  "Kal, it was most unmannerly of you to speak to Lois in that wa=
y.
 Evidently life on Earth is very different and you cannot expect Lois to
adjust all at once to our ways.  Indeed, it was most kind of Lois to wish=

to help your sister but I'm afraid that Kal is correct in this,"  the
senior El had turned to his new daughter as he reiterated, "we can do
nothing for Keira until she chooses to come to us and lodges a formal
complaint to the judges about her husband."

     A derisory sigh escaped from Lara.  "And even then Rad-Nor would onl=
y
be warned to restrain his behaviour and perhaps, if the complaint was
upheld, be forced to pay a monetary penalty but the marriage would still
stand." =

      Even though Lara seemed depressed by this course of action, it was
clear she was resigned to the laws of her planet and if she had read more=

than her husband into Lois and Kal's interaction she pushed it aside for
the moment.  It was much too soon to make a judgement on whether this Loi=
s
Lane would be a good influence on her son and sadly Lara acknowledged tha=
t
her opinion would hold little sway with her son should she seek to delay
the union.

     The time for such soul searching was now over, brought to an end by
the re-entry of Ernst into the room.  With an apologetic cough the
major-domo announced.  "Beg pardon, milord, Physician Tamar has arrived. =
 I
have taken the liberty of showing him through.  And may I enquire if the
evening repast will be served as usual in the dining room?"

     "Yes, Ernst, we will eat at the normal time and Physician Tamar will=

be joining us for dinner."  Lara instructed.

     "Very good, milady."

     As he spoke, Ernst stood aside and a small man came smartly into the=

room.  "Good greeting, Lord Jor and to you my lady."  The visitor bustled=

around the room saying his hellos to the family and being formally
introduced to the new bride.  Tamar was invited to sit and for a time the=

conversation centred on Kal's trip to Earth until Kal announced with some=

apprehension.

     "Lois, Tamar's visit is not purely social.  We are a little concerne=
d
for your well being and Tamar would like to examine you to make sure that=

your health has not suffered from the voyage."

     To say that this took Lois by surprise would be an understatement,
besides Lois felt extremely well if a mite tired and this she proceeded t=
o
tell her fussy fiance.  "I'm fine, really and, as I recall, you assured m=
e
back on Earth that the journey and life on Krypton would cause me no harm=
. =

Isn't it a little late to start worrying?"  And she tossed the
uncomfortable Kal an accusing glare.

     "If I may answer your question, Lady Lois," Tamar stepped into the
breach.  "Kal is in some respects correct but the gravitational pressure =
on
Krypton is stronger than that of Earth and without a little medical help =
it
might cause you some discomfort.  In time your body will adjust but that
does not mean that science cannot help you along the way.   And to
proscribe an accurate dosage of the drug I must first carry out a medical=

examination."

     Lois also remembered that Kal had mentioned medication but she was t=
oo
alarmed to be rational.  "Drug, what sort of drug?!"

    The physician hid his astonishment well.  Normally grand ladies did n=
ot
ask so many questions.  Still this child was a stranger, it was only
natural for her to be cautious.  "Strengthening ones," he informed his
patient, but he could see that she would not be so easily put off. =

"They're something of the same nature as anabolic steroids, sometimes use=
d
by  athletes on Earth to enhance their power and performance.  However, w=
e
have removed all the nasty side effects and this medication on Krypton is=

given to patients to help the body fight off many crippling diseases.  It=

is a tried and tested drug, but as you will be the first Earthling to
receive it, your condition must be carefully monitored.  I would be remis=
s
in my duty if I were not to do so."

     Allowing herself to be assuaged, Lois continued her cross-questionin=
g
more kindly.  "Are there any other surprises awaiting me health wise that=
 I
should know about?"           =

     "Well, there is the question of the red sun........"

     "Kal-El explained that one; sunblock should do the trick."

     "Trick, milady?!  If you mean that it will keep you safe, then yes."=

      Lois crossed to the windows and gazed out at the darkening sky.  "B=
ut
sunburn doesn't seem to be a problem for now," she smiled.  "What else?!"=

     Caught off guard by her quick demand Tamar stammered.  "Bl......
blood, Lady Lois.  I need a sample of your blood."

     Now they were getting to the point and Lois was none too pleased.  S=
he
and Kal-El weren't married yet and already these Kryptonians were concern=
ed
with the welfare of their precious heir.  "Children, right?!  The serum f=
or
the children?!"  Lois asked plainly aggrieved.

     "Oh no, Lois!"  In his haste to lessen her distress Tamar had
forgotten her title.  "A serum cannot be produced until the antibodies
appear in your blood stream and that won't occur until after you've given=

birth to your first child.  All that is way in the future and you mustn't=

concern yourself with such problems now.  No, the blood sample is to enab=
le
us to clone your own blood, in case in an emergency you need a transfusio=
n.
 Hopefully, it will never be needed but we store a blood sample of everyo=
ne
on the planet in case of accidents."

     Lois was reminded of Kal's words before they disembarked about many
things being grown in test tubes, but who would have thought of
manufacturing blood?  Still, it did do away with the sometimes
unsatisfactory donor system.  I wonder what else they cloned?  Presently,=

though, this man deserved an apology.  She had jumped entirely to the wro=
ng
conclusion and the recipient of her rudeness had only been concerned for
her well being.  But that still didn't mean that she was comfortable with=

taking an examination.  She disliked going to doctors and resisted visits=

whenever she could.

     "I'm sorry.  I shouldn't have snapped at you."  Her smile to Tamar w=
as
genuine.  "I suppose that I'm more tired than I thought.  Perhaps we coul=
d
do this some other time?"

     "Lois," Kal's voice warned.  "Tamar is a busy doctor and he has come=

here specifically at my request.  And I think that the sooner you start
taking the medication the less Krypton's gravity will affect you.  It
really is in your best interests."

     Realising that she was being unreasonably churlish, Lois capitulated=
. =

"OK, where do we have to go?"

     "We don't have to go anywhere, Lois."  Kal informed with a pleased
grin.  "All the big houses have their own med-centres."

     "And this is a particularly well equipped one too," Tamar added. =

"Which isn't surprising
since it's owned by one of Krypton's eminent research scientists."

     Jor-El blushed self consciously at this unexpected compliment while
Lois stored away this further piece of information on her new kin.  She
rose reluctantly to her feet.  She'd agreed to this exam but she still ha=
d
reservations.  Assistance came from an unexpected quarter.

     "Lois, would it help if I accompanied you.  I don't appreciate being=

poked and prodded myself, so if you would like some morale support I'd be=

happy to oblige."

     At last a point of contact with the standoffish female.  "Thank you,=

Lady Lara, I will accept your offer."  Other than the fact that Lois
disliked examinations in general, she was also ill at ease about giving
this stranger the right to study her body.  Somehow the knowledge that La=
ra
would be close at hand was soothing.

     "Please call me Lara."  The Lady of El's voice was warmer than
previously.  " You are family and there is no need for titles between us.=
"

                                                                    *****=

     Surprisingly, the dreaded examination was painless.   Kryptonian
medical science was advanced to such a degree that all Lois' vital signs
were noted by a hand-held scanner and even the blood letting was executed=

with swift efficiency.  Using the computing facilities in the medical lab=
,
Tamar quickly calculated the correct dosage for Lois' medication and
injected her with a high velocity pressure gun which she was informed
blasted the drug into her system.    Delivered in this way the drug would=

immediately work to strengthen her metabolism against the debilitating
consequences of the planet's gravity.  The doctor also taught her how to
operate the simple gun and whenever she felt confidant Lois could take ov=
er
the administration of the drug.  The question of how long Lois might need=

this medication could not at this time be answered but in Tamar's
estimation it should n
ot be overlong.

                                                                     ****=
*
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Title           :  Universal Union 2     =

Part           :  4/6

Author    :  Jenni Debbage

Rating       :  PG-13

Feedback:  Comments welcome both public and privately.

Summary:    This is the second part of my story which follows Lois Lane t=
o
Krypton to live with her soulmate Kal-El.  In this episode we witness Loi=
s'
wonder and worry about being an 'alien' in this very different society an=
d
discover too the dangers that face Lois and Kal-El.

                                                                         =
  =

*****

   The patient and her party returned to find that the evening meal was
ready to be served in the dinning room and the two women joined the other=

members of the family and guest as everyone took their places around the
long table.  Lois was glad to see that Lieutenants Ching and Poli had als=
o
joined them for dinner, two more friendly faces did not go amiss. =

     As expected Jor and Lara sat at opposite ends of the table, but Lois=

was thankful that while Kal sat at his father's right hand she had been
placed opposite him on Jor's left.  Zara was next to her brother and Chin=
g
followed, with Physician Tamar next to Lois and Poli across from Ching. =

The seating arrangement seemed perfectly balanced yet being highly
observant, Lois noted that Zara blushed rosily when the two servicemen sl=
id
into their places at the table.   Perhaps teenage Kryptonian females were=

no less impressionable than their counterparts on Earth when confronted b=
y
two handsome males?

     The early talk around the dinner table proved to be lighthearted and=

convivial but towards the end of the meal the little doctor became
strikingly ill at ease.  Apparently something was causing him some
mortification and his discomposure began with Poli's enquiry into the
whereabouts of Lord Rol-Fre, Zara's intended.  In this instance, Lois was=

not in ignorance of the engagement.  She was even aware that this young
man's wayward behaviour exasperated his future brother-in -law and leader=
.

     Meanwhile Zara was answering the question.  "Lord Rol-Fre is visitin=
g
his great- grandfather who sadly is very ill and might be dying."

     "Hmph," Tamar attempted to clear his throat as his face flushed bric=
k
red, embarrassed by the revelation he was about to make.  "I'm afraid
that's not so.  Oh, the old lord is on his death bed, or so I've been tol=
d,
but Lord Rol-Fre is not in attendance, a circumstance much regretted by h=
is
poor parents.  On my way here from visiting a patient, I cut through that=

particularly seedy part of the city.   Why do we need such a district?" =

The somewhat genteel doctor asked dejectedly.  "Shouldn't we be above suc=
h
practices?  But I digress, I witnessed the young gentleman with some of h=
is
like-minded friends coming out of a.... pleasure palace."

     From Tamar's disapproving expression Lois needed no translation of
what a pleasure palace might be but she was surprised to hear such a venu=
e
mentioned at this high class table.

     "You mean falling out of the place," Kal remarked in scathing tones.=
 =

"No doubt Rol is celebrating his inheritance prematurely."

     "Kal!  That is no way to speak of your future brother."  Lara scolde=
d.

     "I only speak the truth, Mother.  Rol-Fre is an empty-headed carouse=
r.
 And I'm only amazed, after our tragic experience with Keira, that you an=
d
Father have not broken the betrothal."

     "That's impossible!  His family would be humiliated and a slur would=

be cast on the name of an ancient house."  Jor-El announced in horror.

     "The only slur that would be cast would be on Rol-Fre's character." =

Kal retorted.

     "Exactly!!  And the House of Fre and their allies would be pressed
into the opposing camp.   That would hardly be a politic move, my son, an=
d
frankly I had thought you better taught than to suggest such a thing."

     "Perhaps I believe that my sister's happiness is more important than=
 a
political alliance."  Kal's stubborn streak was surfacing.

     So too were his mother's anxieties.  "Kal, you cannot mean that.  Is=

this irresponsible behaviour the result of associating with an Earth
woman?"  Lara blurted out without her usual carefulness.

     "Mother!!"  The look directed at Lara was as icy as the winter winds=

that blew over the Kryptonian landscape.  "For your information, I have
long considered Rol-Fre to be an unacceptable husband for Zara and I need=
ed
no prompting from Lois to arrive at that conclusion."   =

     "Besides, never having met the man, I would hardly make such a
judgement on hearsay."  Lois added, aggrieved to be blamed for something
for which she was not liable.  In fact, Lois had been quite prepared to
accept Kal's estimation of Rol-Fre's character but in this case she had n=
ot
sought to influence him.

     Those sitting round the table looked perplexed and gazed in every
other direction than at the stranger amongst them.  Finally Lara spoke up=
. =

"I'm aware that might be how matters proceed on Earth, Lois, but here on
Krypton it is not a woman's place to make important judgements."

     How quickly had the conversation degenerated into this unpleasant
reminder of Lois' place in her new home, but Kal was not prepared to
abandon his fiancee. =

     "Nevertheless, Mother, I do value Lois' opinion and don't pretend th=
at
you have never sought to influence Father's decisions because I know
better."  Actually, Kal was being conciliatory here.  Within the privacy =
of
their home his strong-willed mother often overruled her mild-mannered
spouse.  "But to return to the point in question, I do not approve of Zar=
a
marrying another such as Rad-Nor."

     "Oh no, Kal.  Rol is not so bad."  Zara interjected, more anxious to=

finish with this disquieting subject than to defend her unruly betrothed.=
 =

"Capricious perhaps, a little selfish too but there's no badness in him, =
I
swear.  I'm determined to do my duty."

     "Good!  Then there's an end to it."  Jor-El quickly interposed befor=
e
Kal could continue the altercation and lead his family and guests back to=

less dangerous topics.  The earlier bonhomie, however, had disappeared an=
d
dinner soon ended with Tamar taking his leave and the others rather stiff=
ly
bidding each other goodnight and taking themselves to bed.

                                                                     ****=
*

     Amazingly, the chatelaine of Ro-Ellion insisted on escorting her son=
's
affianced bride to her bedchamber.  Kal hovered protectively close to his=

Lois but was shooed away by his high-handed parent at the door to the
apartment.  Passing slowly down the passageway to his own quarters, he
reflected that his love was well able to hold her own in a battle of will=
s
with his mother yet he had hoped that the matter of Lois' emancipated pas=
t
would not have risen quite so soon and that she would have found an ally =
in
the much respected Lady of El.  He resolved to have a discussion with Lar=
a
on this subject at the earliest opportunity.

     Inside Lois' chamber Kal would have been surprisingly pleased by the=

tete-a-tete which was in progress.  As the older woman closed the door on=

her troubled offspring she turned towards the Earth girl and immediately
offered a flag of truce.

     "Forgive me, Lois, for allowing a mother's anxiety to lead me into
rudeness.  I'm well aware that a female's role on Earth is somewhat more
equal to that of their menfolk than here on Krypton.  I have often viewed=

your home world with, I must confess, a certain amount of envy."

     Lois, while not willing to relinquish her righteous pique totally,
answered with good grace.  "Well, the situation back home isn't quite as
equal as it might seem.  Some bastions of male dominance still survive, b=
ut
we females keep chipping away," and here she punched the air for emphasis=
. =

"Someday soon we'll have total autonomy."

     "And, believe me, I wish them well."  Lara crossed to a comfortable
chair by a blazing fire which warmed the room and gave off a comforting
glow.  Seating herself, she invited Lois to take the chair opposite.  "I
also am aware that Kal-El has a similar scheme in mind for Krypton and,
while I support both your ideals, I must strongly advise caution. =

Kryptonian male bastions might prove more impregnable than those on your
world and, with the balance of power being in a rather volatile state, I
would beg you to go carefully.  Both you and Kal must be cautious not to
push those neutral lords into the opposing camp."

     Intrigued by another view of current affairs, Lois forgot totally he=
r
displeasure with her future in-law and accepting Lara's offer to sit, she=

perched on the edge of the seat and questioned eagerly.  "Are things so
very bad with regards to Rad-Nor?"

     A knowing smile spread over Lara's face.  "I see my son has already
taken you into his confidence and that's good...... very good.  Sometimes=
 a
wife is one's most trustworthy confidant."  It was evident that the older=

woman was relaxing into this conversation as she settled herself deeper
into the cushions of her chair.  Her voice when she continued took on a
conspiratorial pitch.  "Sometimes I have thought that Zor's life would be=

so much easier if Rochelle was more conscious of the problems he faces as=

First Lord.  Much as I care for my good sister, I have to admit to a
certain lack of strength of character in Rochelle.  It may please you to
learn that I have no such thoughts of you."

     Lois was dumbfounded by this turn of events.  Only a short time ago
she had assumed sadly that she would encounter fierce opposition from Kal=
's
mother while now she was starting to regard Lara as a future confederate.=

     "As for the current situation regarding my abominable son-in-law;
Rad-Nor is using his attachment with our family coupled with his own
ancient claim to royal blood to give himself airs far above his station. =

For the moment, thankfully, it is no more than that.  It's my belief that=

he is yet unsure of his support but he is seeking to increase his power
base.  Then too Kal-El is a very unassuming, popular young man which
ironically might prove to be a problem."

     "Popularity would not be considered a problem on Earth."  A dubious
Lois stated in defence of her fianc=E9.

     "Not if one was seeking election, no."  Lara conceded.  "But on this=

world it takes an extremely strong hand to keep the more obdurate nobleme=
n
in line and Kal's open friendliness is sometimes construed as weakness."

     "A sad misconception," Lois suggested, "and one made only by those w=
ho
do not know him well."

     "That's true.  My son, to my dismay, has at times adopted my stubbor=
n
tendencies.  Happily he has also inherited Jor's gentleness and wisdom. =

I'm confidant that in time Kal will make a great leader for our people."

     "And I intend to do all I can to support him."  The promise was made=

solemnly.

     Lara rose and crossing to the sincere young girl, placed a hand
comfortingly on Lois' shoulder.  "Yes, I can see now that you have the be=
st
of intentions, but please heed my advice.  Nor is a monster and he has
spies everywhere waiting to pounce on any untoward mistake you might make=

in order to discredit Kal."  Relieved to see Lois nod her head in
understanding, the older woman unbent further.  "And if you need a should=
er
to cry on or an ear to scream your frustration into, please seek me out. =
 I
shall be only too happy to oblige.  Between us we El women will be a matc=
h
for any Nor."

     Regarding the stalwart woman before her, Lois reflected that if Lara=

had been born on Earth the noble lady would very probably have been in th=
e
forefront of the feminist movement.  Smilingly she accepted the kind offe=
r
of assistance.  It comforted her to know that she had unexpectedly made
such a close and influential ally and the two women bade each other
goodnight with greater warmth than Lois had thought possible.

     Left alone in her room, Lois took the time to survey her surrounding=
s.
 The walls of the chamber were panelled with a rosy-hued wood and a large=

fire burned in the ornate grate, warding off the freezing winter air.  So=
ft
furnishings of ivory velvet filled the adequate space with heavy matching=

drapes covering the windows.  A canopied bed completed the room, looking =
so
inviting that Lois wasted no time in getting herself ready for bed and,
climbing underneath the folded back quilt, she found herself yawning
sleepily.  Just as she slipped into a cozy state of unconsciousness, she
heard Kal's anxious thoughts inside her head.  With a drowsy sigh she
assured him of her well being and sank into a deep and dreamless sleep.

                   =

                                                                     ****=
*

     But Metropolis' once most promising investigative journalist's first=

twenty-four hours spent on Kryptonian soil had still another furtive
disclosure.  Although not quite sure what had first disturbed her slumber=
,
the young woman was certain that someone had passed her doorway and was n=
ow
standing in the hallway outside.  Someone who might even be crying.

     All her reporter's instincts on alert, Lois slid from the comfortabl=
e
bed and, ignoring the chill of the room now that the fire had burned lowe=
r,
she crossed to the door to press her ear against its heavy surface.  Even=

through the thick wood Lois could hear the quiet hum of a whispered
conversation punctuated now and again by a stifled sob.  Intrigued, Lois
opened the door a tiny crack, praying that she would make no sound that
might warn her quarry of her eavesdropping.

     The hushed murmuring seemed to emanate from the end of the passagewa=
y
where a large window, stretching from floor to ceiling, let in the silver=
y
moonlight illuminating the couple who unwisely stood before it.  The pair=

were so preoccupied each with the other that Lois decided to take a chanc=
e
and slip into the darkened corridor.

     In silhouette it was difficult to discern who the two might be but i=
t
was clear to the watcher in the shadows by the way their hands clung
together and by the intense gazes they exchanged that the two were
experiencing some deep emotions.  The female's weeping grew louder and th=
e
man's voice rose slightly in consternation.

     Lois cursed as the dialogue drifted towards her.  Of course, the
couple were speaking in their own tongue.  Yet as she continued to listen=
,
although she could not relate to the words, she well understood the
caressing tones and the passionate body language.  Too afraid to move for=

fear of drawing their attention to herself, she stood in silent stillness=

to witness that which ought to have been shared only by the lovers.

     "Zara, we always knew that there could never be a place for us.  As =
a
daughter of El you were always destined to marry a nobleman of the highes=
t
rank and I just don't qualify.   My only wish was that your husband might=

have been more worthy of your hand.  Kal-El is correct.  Rol-Fre is a
drunken buffoon who does not appreciate what he has."

     "What difference does it make, Ching?  If I can't have you, I care n=
ot
what becomes of me."

     The girl's voice was full of sadness, but the identity of the pair w=
as
no longer a mystery;  Zara and Ching.  A quick indrawn breath from Lois
might have alerted the couple in the window to her presence had they not
been so involved in each other's tumultuous feelings.

     "No, Zara, please do not say so."  Desperation roughened Ching's
words.  "I need to know that, even if we cannot be together, you will at
least have some measure of contentment.  I doubt I could go on if you wer=
e
not somewhere on this plain of existence."

     It was obvious by the crack in the man's voice that he was terribly
troubled and the listening Lois vowed to herself that she would strive
harder to master the language of her new home the better to understand th=
e
secrets which would affect her life and that of this family.

     "Never fear, Ching.  I am not so poor spirited that I will try Aunt
Rochelle's method of escape."  A tiny laugh of self derision escaped from=

Zara.  "Or, who knows, perhaps I am not brave enough.  I only know that I=

will do what my family require of me to the best of my ability.  But do n=
ot
expect me to be content, Ching, for only with you could I find happiness.=
"

     At this admission Ching pulled the weeping girl into his embrace and=

for a moment he pressed his lips to hers, tasting the salt of her tears a=
s
his mouth then traced a path across her cheek.  Now Lois was left in no
doubt that she was observing a lover's tryst.

     "Zara, my love, if only I had the right I would promise to make you
happy for all of your life."

     From the contented sigh that emanated from the young woman caught up=

in her clandestine lover's embrace this was clearly a promise that the
lieutenant could easily fulfil.  Yet reality speedily overtook Zara and s=
he
pulled herself from Ching's arms.

     "This is madness, Ching."  Stepping back Zara showed all the resolve=

of the El family as she dashed at the traces of her tears with the back o=
f
her hand.  "If we were caught here like this you would be severely censur=
ed
and sent away to our most-distant outpost........."  Her voice stilled as=

she contemplated such a bereavement.

     "And your parents would be angry with you.  I know it was wrong of m=
e
to ask you to meet me like this but I have missed you and I had to know h=
ow
you were faring."

     "Oh, I understand.  I missed you so much too.  But we can't risk
discovery.  I couldn't bear it if you were exiled."  Determination
straightened Zara's spine.  "We must take care for each other and enjoy
whatever friendship is permitted us.  Isn't that better than nothing at
all?"

     "I'm not sure of that any more, Zara."  The man's voice was a mere
whisper.

     Once more the earnest Lieutenant kissed his forbidden love, but it w=
as
a kiss of farewell to their impossible dreams.  With head held high he
strode off down the corridor, passing unheeding the woman hiding in the
shadows.

      Left alone by the window, the moon silvering her dark hair with a
shimmer of light, Zara gave way to wrenching sobs that echoed the breakin=
g
of her heart.  Then in a rush she too hurried passed Lois, seeking the
seclusion of her chamber.

     In the draughty passage Lois at last acknowledged the intense cold
that was seeping through her bones.  Retreating to her room, she sank wit=
h
gratitude into the comfortable cocoon of her bed.  She reflected that,
while she had been unable to follow Zara's and Ching's conversation in
detail, this she was certain of; the pair were star crossed lovers.  And =
if
there was nothing to be done to solve Keira's marital problems, she
resolved to do her utmost to put an end to Zara's loveless engagement. =

Tomorrow she would discuss what could be done with Kal.  Did Kal already
know of this secret liaison?  And he didn't approve of Rol-Fre.  Surely h=
e
would be agreeable to a termination of the betrothal?  Worrying thoughts
tumbled through her mind but thankfully precious sleep came to reclaim he=
r.

                                                                     ****=
*
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Title           :  Universal Union 2     =

Part           :  5/6

Author    :  Jenni Debbage

Rating       :  PG-13

Feedback:  Comments welcome both public and privately.

Summary:    This is the second part of my story which follows Lois Lane t=
o
Krypton to live with her soulmate Kal-El.  In this episode we witness Loi=
s'
wonder and worry about being an 'alien' in this very different society an=
d
discover too the dangers that face Lois and Kal-El.

                                                                 Chapter
Three

                                                      Distinguished Lord
and Ladies

     Next morning, however, Lois discovered that finding some quiet time
alone to spend with her fianc=E9 was a hopeless wish.  She had been awake=
ned
before sunrise by a chambermaid bringing her a very early cup of morning
coffee.  When Lois was given the welcome beverage, she expressed surprise=

that such a popular American drink should be served in her adopted home b=
ut
the young servant quickly explained that the expedition that had
accompanied Lord Kal-El to Earth had discovered all of Lois' most favouri=
te
foods and drinks and had brought them back to Krypton.   The real thing,
the awed girl had confessed, not your second rate synthetic variety which=

in Etta's humble opinion could never match the original for quality.  Of
course, the chef would have to find the Kryptonian equivalent ingredients=

for most of the dishes but Etta seemed to think that the estimable Burdom=

was equal to the task.  And the maid further confided in an amazed but
confidant voice, which was clearly parroting the views of her superior,
that the people weren't the only comparable species on the two planets,
evolution having followed very similar lines on both worlds.

     The girl's inconsequential chatter flowed over her new mistress as
Lois sought to assimilate the many disturbing details she had unearthed
about her new family the night before.  Talk about a baptism of fire.  If=

Kal considered his kin to be an ordered example of a modern Utopian socie=
ty
then boy, did he have a lot to learn.  Considering what she had witnessed=

yesterday, both openly and covertly, Kal's family history would not be ou=
t
of place on any TV soap channel.  Yet the one thing she had dreaded, when=

she had listened to her lover's litany about his structured world, had be=
en
the fact that the somewhat sterile atmosphere might cause her to be bored=
. =

Bored, hah!!  That was the furthest feeling from her mind.

     Etta had been gaily chatting along while she bustled about the room,=

straightening a vase here and flouncing up a cushion there, but now the
maid subsided into a pointed silence and the sudden quiet of the room
attracted her lady's meandering attention.  Centring on the girl, Lois
discovered her standing by the door to a huge walk in closet which had be=
en
hidden behind the panelled walls.

     "If my lady would be pleased to choose an outfit for herself today
then I can activate your bathing cycle."  The maid smiled happily as she
indicated the contents of the cupboard.  =

      Ignoring the intriguing thoughts that the girl's last words had
created, Lois enthusiastically joined Etta in the doorway and both gazed =
in
delighted surprise at the contents of the large wardrobe.   As the two
women wandered down the rows of clothes which lined one wall of the long
closet, Lois was astounded by the colourful array of frocks and pantsuits=

that met her gaze.  There was suitable attire for every occasion with,
lined on the shelves close to the floor, shoes and boots to match each
item.  On the opposite side of the cupboard were rows of drawers which, o=
n
random inspection, Lois found held scraps of silky underwear and lacy
negligees.  It appeared that Kryptonian ladies were not above wishing to
look their very best but whether for their own or their husbands' benefit=

Lois was not yet aware.

     A knocking at the door announced the arrival of Zara and in the self=

assured youthful lady who entered the room there was no lingering trace o=
f
the distraught teenager of the dark hours of morning.

     "Good day to you, Lois. I hope I find you well."  Her words were
formal but tinged with a friendly warmth.  "Mama sent me to remind you of=

the audience at the Palace today."  =

     "I'm fine, Zara, but I only wish I could forget about my appointment=
. =

What do you wear to an audience with the distinguished Lords and Ladies o=
f
Krypton?"  Lois' anxious fingers fidgeted with the outfits of velvet and
silk hanging on the rails.  "I'm a nervous wreck.  I just know that all
these grand nobles are expecting me to fall flat on my face."

     "Oh no, Lois, it is the nobles' place to prostrate themselves before=

you and Kal."

     "No kidding!  They still do that sort of thing here?"  Lois asked
incredulously and then  remembered the actions of the personnel in the
spaceport.  At the picture in her mind's eye of these dark clad lords and=

ladies laid out along the ground like dead birds after a crow shoot Lois'=

anxiety gave way to a fit of giggles.  Uncertain at what had amused their=

strange visitor but happy to see her relax, the two Kryptonian girls join=
ed
in Lois' infectious mirth.

     Sometime later into the midst of this hilarity walked a puzzled yet
pleased Kal-El.  Listening to Lois' laughter as he strode down the hallwa=
y
to her room lightened his spirits which had been in something of a turmoi=
l
since he had taken leave of her.  He had been a little comforted by the
sleepy telepathic message of last night and he had this morning spoken wi=
th
his mother who assured him that she was well pleased with his choice of
wife, albeit remaining closed mouthed about the subject of her conversati=
on
with Lois.

     Swathes of colourful clothes were strewn about the furniture of the
room giving evidence of an impromptu fashion show and at the centre of th=
e
upheaval a happy yet perplexed Lois stood regarding the scattered jumble.=
 =

     Now barely suppressing his own urge to join in the glee at the scene=

before him, he crossed directly to Lois' side and placed a welcoming kiss=

on her lovely smiling mouth.   "I'm glad to see you so happy this morning=
,
Lois."

     "Kal!  And I am so glad to see you," she said, returning his kiss. =

"Now you can help me decide.  We've narrowed the choice down to three but=

now I'm stumped so you can cast the final vote."  And babbling gaily Lois=

waved her hand at the dresses that were being held by herself and her
companions.  "Come on Etta, don't be shy.  Let Kal see the frock."

     Suddenly self-conscious in the presence of the young master, Etta
flushed and lowered her head.  Yet Lois, being completely oblivious of th=
e
awkwardness of the moment, rallied the girl once more.  "Kal can't decide=

if he can't see our choices," she explained, not unkindly, slowly
comprehending that she had committed a faux-pas which had placed Etta in =
a
delicate situation.  How could she ever come to terms with this class
ridden society when she disapproved of it so strongly?

     Sensing the maid's embarrassment and anxious to alleviate the dilemm=
a,
Kal smilingly  added his encouragement but when the flustered maid was
persuaded to hold the item aloft it was found to be a silvery cobweb
confection which Kal immediately turned  down.

     "Thank you, Etta.  But no, definitely not!  Too ghostly!"  Kal shook=

his head then turned to Zara's exhibit.  This creation was of dark amber
and might have been suitable for a less auspicious occasion.  "No, too
muddy."

       Which left the remaining outfit hidden behind Lois' back.  The
twinkle in her eye proved that Kal had chosen wisely and that his fiancee=

had already made up her mind before he entered the room and only needed h=
is
approval.  The velvet robe of deep burgundy with long sleeves and high ne=
ck
to ward off the cold complimented the chestnut lights of Lois' shining ha=
ir
and accented the colour of her sparkling eyes.  Its somewhat severe cut
would cling to Lois' slim form while the skirt cut on the bias would
flounce around her ankles as she walked.  It was found too that the gown
had a matching surcoat, trimmed with dark brown fur, the perfect raiment
for a cold winter's day that held the promise of a further snowfall.

     The choice of garment successfully complete, Kal took his sister off=

to allow Lois to complete her toilet with the help of her maid, reminding=

his fiancee as he went that if she wished to partake of breakfast before
they left for the Palace, she should not linger.

                                                                     ****=
*

     The silver egg containing a slightly nervous and wide-eyed Earth wom=
an
swept beneath the tall gates in the soaring curtain of wall, crossed a
large enclosed square which was bordered by stone statues of long dead
custodians of this edifice  and halted before a pillared walkway. =

Alighting from the transporter, her hand firmly clasped in Kal's steady
grip, Lois' eyes lifted to the ceiling high above her.  Family crests wer=
e
carved into the wood,  blazons of the houses which had supported the Els
down through the centuries and finally as they reached the portal at the
end of the walk, above the door hung the shield of the House of El.

     To a visitor from Earth the coat of arms resembled a large S in the
centre of a strangely shaped triangle.  Lois had often seen the crest
before, had even worn the badge on her uniform on board the ship, but her=
e,
displayed in its full glory, it seemed the embodiment of power.  The door=
s
below slid open and the party stepped inside. =

      The Palace at Elvar was an awe-inspiring jumble of contradictions, =
a
meld of the very old and the very new.  The outer structure was as ancien=
t
as the house at Ro-Ellion, but where Ro-Ellion's primordial glory had bee=
n
carefully preserved and tended with loving care, the interior of the Pala=
ce
had for security reasons been vastly updated.

     The elaborately wrought iron light sconces had been replaced with
panel lighting that brightened as the visitors passed through the corrido=
rs
and dimmed as they went on their way.  Guards were stationed at various
points in the passageway, but Lois suspected that these were purely
traditional.  The heavy wooden doors too had given way to shining metal
portals that opened with the barest whisper and the magnificent stairway =
in
the hall which lay before them was now redundant, its task taken over by
the glass constructed elevators standing in its shadow.

     The members of the El family fitted quite comfortably into one of
these spacious lifts and silently they were carried to the floor above an=
d
to the audience hall of the castle.  Two royal guards stood on either sid=
e
of the large doorway and they snapped to attention at the approach of the=

visitors.  Silently the doors slid apart and Lord Kal-El with his betroth=
ed
clinging a little tightly to his arm led his party inside.

     Conversation stilled and all eyes turned to the visitors.  Almost
instinctively the courtiers fell back, allowing a straight passageway
through the crowded throng to the dais at the far end on the room.  And a=
s
they walked along the length of this opening, Lois was now not surprised
but still somewhat discomfited by the communal dropping to their knees an=
d
bowed heads of the assembly.  Oh boy, I will never get used to that!

     The others in the group accepted the salute as normal and passed by
with little notice until they reached their ruler on his dais.  Now it wa=
s
their turn to show obeisance, though in this case only a small bow seemed=

to be required and Lois repeated her gesture from the previous day and
bobbed a curtsey.  The formal greetings were exchanged by the family and
that done Zor-El turned his visitors to the main body of the hall.

     Taking Lois' trembling hand in his own he led her to the front of th=
e
platform.  His voice was not loud but pitched to reach the furthest corne=
rs
of the room.  "Distinguished Lords and Ladies of Krypton, I give you Ms
Lois Lane of Earth, betrothed of the noble and puissant Lord Kal-El, heir=

to the throne of Krypton.  The bond between them has the blessing of myse=
lf
and my council and tomorrow at the house of Ro-Ellion, the marriage will =
be
formalized.  On behalf of my family, I bid you welcome at this happy
occasion."

     Lois' gaze searched wildy for Kal-El, who, she thankfully found,  ha=
d
slipped close to her side.  However, unaware if it were correct procedure=

to actually speak at this moment, she contented herself with throwing him=
 a
questioning and reproachful glance.  This was the first she had heard abo=
ut
the date of her wedding and while she appreciated that there was no reaso=
n
to wait she felt that she might have been consulted.  Huh!  What was she
thinking?! This was Krypton, home of the dominant male gender, why should=

they consider her opinion?  She was only the bride.

     Reading her thoughts, Kal at least had the grace to look sheepish. =

But meanwhile the assembly had risen and a shout of Lord Kal-El and,
astoundingly, Lady Lois swelled from a hundred throats.  Lady Lois looked=

panic stricken and had it not been for the firm hold of her fianc=E9 on o=
ne
hand and her leader on the other she might have run from the room.  Two
voices of differing ages but of similar intent whispered in her mind.  =

     "Courage, my dear!"

     Gratefully she accepted the encouragement of Zor and Kal and stood
with a smile frozen on her face to acknowledge the formal salute.  Slowly=

the hall returned to its usual steady buzz as, the formalities over, the
courtiers returned to their earlier conversations.  Lois, pulling her han=
ds
away and balling them into small fists, immediately seized upon the
distraction to face her betrothed, determined to inform him privately of
her displeasure at the lack of consultation on such a personal subject.  =

Her tirade was interrupted by an anxious Zor-El.

     "Don't be angry with Kal, child."  His voice was kindly but
nevertheless held a note of command somewhere in its depths.  "Like you, =
he
was completely unaware that a date had been set.  The High Council and
myself passed the resolution this morning and I'm sorry if our presumptio=
n
upset you but under the circumstances we had no choice."

     Lois sensed a hidden intrigue and was not surprised at Kal's whisper=
ed
demand.  "What has happened?"

     The smile never left the wily old sovereign's face but he drew the
young couple aside and lowered his voice considerably.  "Early this morni=
ng
the security services intercepted a thought transference......."

     "You can monitor telepathic messages?"  Lois was amazed and also
annoyed.  It had been her ambition to be a journalist but even she baulke=
d
at the prospects of a person's thoughts being spied upon.  "Isn't that a
gross invasion of privacy?  So much for your just and honourable society.=
"

     "Quite right, my dear."  Zor had appropriated her hand again and was=

patting it consolingly while in an aside to his nephew he observed
brightly.  "Such forthrightness is so refreshing, is it not?"  But the wi=
se
gentleman was also aware of her bridling at his patronage and returned hi=
s
attention to stilling her concerns.  "Forgive an old man his teasing, Loi=
s,
but  your frankness is like a breath of fresh air in these stuffy sterile=

climes."

     His sincerity shown clear and Lois found herself warming to the lord=

of all Krypton once more, yet she could not ignore the fact that it seeme=
d
on this world 'big brother' was certainly watching you.  "Are all
telepathic conversations monitored?"

     A resigned groan escaped from Zor.  "Persistent too, I see."

     Kal nodded in agreement.  "Mad dog Lane, I think her college friends=

nicknamed her.  Never lets go of the bone once she has it between her
teeth."

     Slowly a natural smile was overtaking Lois but she wasn't prepared t=
o
give up.  "Are they?"

     "Most residences on Krypton are shielded from our monitoring devices=

thus  private conversations both oral and telepathic are safe from
eavesdroppers and there are small hand- operated shields that work at clo=
se
quarters.  None of these contrivances are illegal and we appreciate the
individual's right to privacy but the security of the state cannot be
totally ignored, therefore all other mind communications are checked over=

by artificial intelligence machines.  Most are discarded immediately
without any human ears ever listening in and only those that are suspect
are brought before the security chiefs and in due course to the attention=

of the council."

     "What did you hear?"  The humorous tone had completely deserted
Kal-El.

     "A communication detailing your arrival yesterday and passing along =
a
highly informed description of Lady Lois and the state of your
relationship."

     Lois blanched.  "Who would do such a thing?"

     "Unfortunately, my dear, we can't answer that.  Monitoring thought
transferences is a difficult science.  They are not so substantial as sou=
nd
waves and give off only minuscule amounts of electrical pulses.  Therefor=
e,
they are less easy to trace to source.  All we can tell is that the waves=

emanated from somewhere in Elvar and were received and answered by someon=
e
living in the south western quadrant of our world."

     "Which is?"

     "Nor's country."  Kal's voice was sharp with worry.

     "That's why we, the council and I, thought that it would be safer to=

have you two married as quickly as possible."

     "Am I in danger?"

     "Well, it might only be an old man's fear.  Rad-Nor has never yet
openly broken any laws or his oath of allegiance.  He may just be curious=
."
 Zor added hopefully.

     "And I would never let anything bad happen to you Lois, believe me."=
  =

    =

     "And on behalf of the High Council I would also like to promise our
support."  A new voice joined the conversation and Lois regarded the owne=
r
with some trepidation.

     The man who came forward was welcomed with smiles by Zor.  "Lady Loi=
s,
permit me to introduce you to Lord Trey, my Prime Councillor and closest
friend."

     This newest acquaintance proved to be of similar age to Zor-El with
grey balding hair and a more substantial build yet his demeanour lacked t=
he
sense of the ridiculous that lurked behind the public face of Krypton's
ruler.  Lois was not quite sure whether she liked this Prime Councillor,
however she did recall that Kal had thought him to be a competent and
honest member of his uncle's government.  Perhaps he improved on closer
acquaintance. =

      The formal hand clasp with Lord Trey completed, a series of other
introductions took place until Lois' head was reeling with the memory of =
a
number of serious faces cowled in varying dull coloured robes with strang=
e
flowing headgear.  She would never remember the names that went with thes=
e
stern visages.

     Finally the ceremonial greetings were over and with a silent sigh of=

relief Lois heard Zor- El instruct Kal to carry her off into the body of
the hall and introduce her to his own friends, the younger members of hig=
h
society.  To say that the joint was jumping would have been a gross
exaggeration, yet amongst the Kryptonians of her own age group the
atmosphere was considerably less formal and there was the added comfort o=
f
having a friendly face in Zara.  Ching and Poli too, although not belongi=
ng
to the noble classes, hovered on the edge of the attendant group offering=

their silent support and, after the initial shyness passed, her peers wer=
e
eager to discover about life on another planet.

     Lois was beginning to relax and enjoy herself and Kal, witnessing hi=
s
fiancee's unbending, started to recount his own sometimes hilarious
experiences on a strange world.  The mood of the gathering lifted and
infectious laughter spread through the great hall as more of the nobles
joined the group around Kal and Lois.   While the couple was the centre o=
f
attention of the growing band of courtiers, a loud trumpet blast heralded=

the advent of another party.  A startled pause hung over the assembly at
the unexpected arrival and the attention of the throng focussed on the
opening portal. =

     The personage at the head of the small procession now entering pause=
d
on the threshold for effect and relished the frozen stillness that
followed.  The gentleman was of average stature and slim build yet he
carried himself with all the arrogance of an emperor.  His body suit was
also black but embroidered with scrolls of jet beading and his flowing
surcoat was of a dull silver foil like material, edged with a luxuriant
black fur (somehow Lois sensed that this trim had never seen the inside o=
f
a test tube ).  Rings adorned every one of his long thin fingers while a
heavy white gold chain, sporting his family emblem, rested on his barely
adequate chest.

     Having made sure that he had gained the attention of all those
present, the newcomer strode through the hall, daring those who hindered
him to step out of his way.  Within a few moments he and his party had
reached Zor's podium where the man sketchily made his obeisance.

     It was clear from the frown on the countenance of the First Lord tha=
t
he was not at all pleased with the interruption.  Although he had been
conversing with his colleagues and friends, he had been keeping a covert
eye on Kal and his betrothed and he had been happy to see that the girl w=
as
blossoming in the friendly attention she was receiving.  Zor could not ri=
d
himself of the disquieting notion that this nobleman's arrival had been
timed perfectly to disrupt the inauguration of Lady Lois into court
society.  Nevertheless he pushed his concerns to the back of his mind and=

took his place on the throne to accept these new gestures of deference,
grudgingly given though they might be.

     "Welcome Lord Rad-Nor, Lady Keira-Nor.  We did not think to see you =
at
our court today."  Zor addressed the intruders.

    The newcomer's eyebrows lifted in exaggerated surprise.  "But surely
you issued a command to all lords and ladies of Krypton to attend the
homecoming of Kal-El."  The haughty man stared up at Zor for a moment the=
n
turned his attention to his peers, waving his hand in an arc around the
crowded chamber.  "Who am I to disobey my leader when so many of my fello=
w
nobles have arrived to witness the wedding?"

     "Oh, I would say that command is too strong a word, Lord Nor.  I
simply requested those who wished Lord Kal-El well to join me on this hap=
py
occasion."  Zor's voice was cold as he duelled verbally with this man he
disliked and distrusted.

     "Then surely I was expected at the marriage of my good brother."  No=
r
now directed his gaze at the couple standing close together in the centre=

of the hall.  "Or did you perhaps suspect that I did not wish Kal-El well=
?"
 Came the silken yet challenging riposte. =

     "Of course I expected my sister to attend my wedding," Kal took up t=
he
gauntlet, "and as her husband, my family and I anticipated your presence.=
" =

The young man could not bring himself to offer a welcome.

     A contemptuous smirk lurked on Rad-Nor's face.  "Good, then that's
settled, we are all so overjoyed to meet one another.  Keira, wife, why
don't you greet your brother and his betrothed."  This was an order and t=
he
woman who was addressed so coldly stepped from behind her husband and cam=
e
slowly and truculently across the hall.  Meanwhile Nor turned, snapping
petulantly, on the watching crowd.  "Why don't you all accord this little=

family reunion some privacy?"  His menacing tone startled the enthralled
audience and those listening embarrassingly turned aside.  =

     Lois' regard focussed on the lady approaching and her breath caught =
in
her throat at the obvious family resemblance.  Lady Keira shared her
brother's colouring and high cheek bones, but where his generous mouth
curled into a ready smile, this woman's lips turned downwards at the
corners and her dark chestnut eyes lacked Kal's sparkle.  According to al=
l
Lois had been told, Keira was only a few years older than her brother but=

her almost haunted mien leant years to her appearance.  Her voice too, wh=
en
she reached her goal, was muted and lack lustre.

     "Welcome, my Lord Kal-El."  Her clasped hands rose but Kal,
uncharacteristically for a member of his race, brushed them aside and
pulled his sister into his arms.

     "It is so good to see you, Keira."  He spoke quietly but sincerely,
then drawing back he searched her eyes for a corresponding sign that she
too was pleased to be with him but the lady lowered her eyes and refused =
to
meet his questioning gaze.

     Meanwhile, silent as a stalking feline, her spouse had followed and
joined the siblings' greeting.   Kal frowned as beneath his hands his
sister's shoulders tightened involuntarily at the interruption. =

     "Now, Kal-El, I understand why you were so insistent on a female
Earthling."  Impudently Rad-Nor let his glance leerily stray from Lois'
head to her toes.  "Had I known that their women were so..... so desirabl=
e,
I might have joined you on the trip."

     Kal  pulled Lois slightly behind his body, shielding her from the
continued suggestive gaze, yet now was not the moment to challenge the bo=
or
openly.  Ignoring, as best he could, Nor's effrontery, the introductions
were made coldly then Kal
 quickly led his Lois away, very saddened by the fact that he was
abandoning his sister to her noxious husband.  The young bridegroom's gor=
e
was rising and he felt that he would be unable to control his temper if
exposed much longer to Nor's gall.

     A depressing gloom settled over the gathering and shortly the nobles=

began to make their apologies and take their leave.  The El family were
amongst those early retirements, but not before Lady Lara had a brief but=

uncompromising conversation with her eldest daughter,  extending an
invitation for Keira to join them later for a family dinner.  Keira
unfortunately but not unexpectedly declined, informing her mother that sh=
e
was to attend a subsequent Nor gathering  which she was required to host.=
 =

More surprisingly, Zara's betrothed also sent his apologies for the
evening, Rol-Fre choosing to keep company with the Nor's instead of
attending the more sedate meeting at his future in-law's.  Surely this wa=
s
indicative of the younger Fre's loyalties.

     So it was that the pre-wedding supper was a quiet affair, being spen=
t
in the company of the First Lord and Lady and his leading councillors.  T=
he
soiree ended at an early hour and the family went to bed shortly after in=

anticipation of an extremely busy and important day on the morrow.     =

                                                                     ****=
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Title           :  Universal Union 2     =

Part           :  6/6

Author    :  Jenni Debbage

Rating       :  PG-13

Feedback:  Comments welcome both public and privately.

Summary:    This is the second part of my story which follows Lois Lane t=
o
Krypton to live with her soulmate Kal-El.  In this episode we witness Loi=
s'
wonder and worry about being an 'alien' in this very different society an=
d
discover too the dangers that face Lois and Kal-El.

                                                               Chapter Fo=
ur

                                                                      Uni=
on

     A shaft of sunlight falling across Lois' bed brought her from her
slumber as the curtains were opened a small way by a solicitous hand.  Sh=
e
was happy to wake, her dreams being of an ambivalent nature; at once happ=
y
in her choice of husband and at other moments troubled by an uncertain
future in a strange new world.

     Stretching her arms above her head, she let the coverings slip down
her body, completely unaware of the effect she was having on her watcher.=
 =

The silken nightdress with its spaghetti straps clung to her ample curves=

and Kal swallowed the lump that formed in his throat at the preview he wa=
s
enjoying of his wedding night.  The inopportune stirring of another
swelling in a lower part of his body threatened to overwhelm him and he
hurriedly picked Lois' robe from the chair by the bed and handed it to th=
e
awakening girl.        =

     Lois opened her eyes at the touch of the silk and as her glance fell=

on her visitor she speedily clutched the robe and the sheets to her bosom=
.

     "Kal!  What are you doing here?"

     "I came to wake you,"  he explained, rather nonplussed by her obviou=
s
distress.  "The preparations are well under way and there is not much tim=
e
until the wedding ceremony begins."

     "But you shouldn't be here," Lois wailed.  "Don't you know that it's=

unlucky for the bride and groom to meet on the wedding day before the
ceremony?"

     "Unlucky!"  Kal reviewed all that he had learned of Earth ways.  "Yo=
u
mean an ill omen?  Is this some obscure Earth custom that I've missed?"

     "Well, perhaps not a custom, more an old wives' tale."  Lois added
grudgingly.

     This information completely disconcerted her intended.  "I don't
understand."

     "It's just some sort of portent passed down through the years."  Her=

hand comfortingly covered Kal's.  "Don't worry about it.  It's all
nonsense, really."  But when she saw that he was not wholly convinced she=

decided that a little diversion was in order.  "What sort of preparations=
?"
 The smile she sent him was as warm as a summer day on Krypton.

     Striding over to the window, Kal threw the drapes apart and, after
donning her robe, tying it tightly round her, she joined him by the windo=
w.
 A watery winter sun bathed the snowy lawn in a pale rosy glow and the
grey, heavy skies of yesterday had disappeared, leaving a field of fresh
virginal snow.  Amid the wintery landscape a large gleaming dome had
appeared.

     "Where did that come from?"  She enquired with wonder.

     "Well it landed here about an hour ago when you were still asleep."

     "Landed?!  It just didn't appear out of nowhere?"

     "No, of course not!  Whatever made you think of that?"  Kal's voice
was suffused with laughter, intrigued by his fiancee's reasoning.        =
  =

                              =

     "On the space ship you made things appear.  The tables and chairs
appeared like magic."

     "Lois, Kryptonian's aren't magicians."  His shoulders shook with
amusement at Lois' crestfallen demeanour.  "I'm sorry to disappoint you,
sweetheart, but the furniture was stored in the globe ship's matrix.  You=

saw how space was at a premium.  I simply contacted the ship's computer a=
nd
told those things to materialize."

     "They say familiarity breeds contempt.  I'm already realizing that y=
ou
Kryptonians aren't so smart as I first thought.  I'll probably be bored
with you in no time," she teased.

     Now it was Kal's turn to look down-hearted so Lois quickly relented
and slid her arm around her love's waist and, rising on her tiptoes, she
placed a feather light kiss on his lips.  "Don't worry.  I don't love you=

for your accomplishments.  I love you........ because I just do." =

     Another kiss deepened into an almost overwhelming passion and
threatened to pre-empt the honeymoon night.  Sighing with regret the youn=
g
couple broke apart and Kal slackened his hold from Lois though his arm
remained resting lightly on her shoulders.  Lois couldn't control her
curiosity.

     "Who arrived in the dome?"  Considering the size of the structure on=

the lawn it must be a very important personage as she had witnessed the
transport used by Zor-El and he was supposed to be First Lord of Krypton.=

     "No-one!"  Kal stated, somewhat surprised.  "We will be married in t=
he
dome.  The amount of guests that are expected is too great for the house =
to
accommodate so the ceremony and the wedding feast will take place inside
the dome."

     "I see, the Kryptonian equivalent of the marquee on the lawn."

     The pair smiled warmly into each other's eyes at the thought of thei=
r
marriage and both started with shock as a strident voice broke into their=

reverie.

     "Kal, what in Zor's name are you doing here?!"

     Jumping at his mother's demand, a somewhat sheepish Kal let his arm
slip from its desirable resting place.  "I thought that I'd welcome Lois =
to
the morning."  He explained weakly.  "We weren't doing anything wrong."

     "Nevertheless, you're not supposed to be here.  Don't you know that
it's unlucky for you to see the bride before the ceremony."  Lara repeate=
d
Lois' warning.

     "Mother, that's an old wives' tale from Earth."  Kal vented his new
found wisdom.

     "But Lois is from Earth and we must abide by her customs.  Now off y=
ou
go and make yourself ready for the wedding.  You'll be together soon
enough."

     And once more Kal was shepherded out the door by a solicitous Lara,
anxious that her daughter-in-law should be made to feel as at home as
possible on this most important day of her young life.   Immediately the
perspective groom had been evicted from the room a procession of servants=

appeared at Lara's bidding and Lois' wedding preparations began.

                                                                      ***=
**

     Many of the aristocratic families along with the more influential
commoners of Krypton joined together under the great dome in the garden o=
f
Ro-Ellion to celebrate the joining of the heir to the throne and the Eart=
h
woman who had been brought to this realm from a distant universe.  The
large space was filled to almost over flowing with well wishers and the
curious and consequently the atmosphere inside the dome grew hot and stea=
my
with the proliferation of bodies.

     Standing handfast with Kal before Lord Zor and Chief Councillor Trey=
,
a slightly breathless Lois paid close heed to the words of the Kryptonian=

wedding service which were repeated for her benefit in her native languag=
e.
 Strangely the vows were very close to those of an Earthling marriage and=

she found that here too she was required to repeat the promises to love,
honour and obey her life mate.  And if her tongue stumbled over the word
obey, the congregation credited her faltering to the nervousness of a you=
ng
bride.

     The vows taken, a velvet covered case was lifted from the table behi=
nd
the two lords who conducted the ceremony revealing a slim yet solid gold
bracelet etched with the blazon of the house of El with the initials K & =
L
intertwined on its surface.  The bangle seemed to have no visible clasp y=
et
at Kal's touch it sprang open and with an oath of life long devotion he
clasped it round Lois' left wrist.  It was a perfect fit.

     Trey stepped up to the couple.  "I now declare this Union to be
sanctified by the state and I present to you, fellow Kryptonians, Lord an=
d
Lady El," he intoned and once again the cry was repeated by the gathering=
.

     If Lois and the witnesses believed that the ceremony was now conclud=
ed
they were  dumbfounded when once again their leader called for silence.  =

Another smaller box was brought from the table and Lois caught a glimpse =
of
a smile on her husband's face.  Kal slowly opened the box and nestled
inside were two matching golden rings.

     Gently lifting Lois' left hand he slipped the ring on her finger and=

his voice echoed clearly throughout the vast hall.  "I give you this ring=
,
Lois Lane, as a token of my love for you.  All that I am I give to you an=
d
all that I have I share with you."

     Eyes glistening with tears, Lois removed the larger ring and repeati=
ng
the words of her husband she slid the ring onto his extended finger.  "I
give you this ring, Kal-El, as a token of my love for you.  All that I am=
 I
give to you and all that I have I share with you."

     Now I am doubly married, Lois surmised, smiling through her tears at=

Kal's heart warming gesture.  Then Kal did what any other bridegroom woul=
d
do on Earth or Krypton, drawing Lois into his embrace, he kissed her with=
 a
depth of passion that threatened to steal away her very breath.

     Even the blase population of Krypton was moved by the sight of the t=
wo
lovers locked in each other's arms and laughter through tears overcame ma=
ny
as the formalities drew to a close.  Let the celebrations commence.

                                                                     ****=
*

     There was a definite lull in the proceedings as the great and good o=
f
Krypton spilled out onto the snowy carpeted lawn, eager to escape the
stuffy confines of the dome, while a small army of servants hurried to
transform the auditorium into a banqueting hall.  Many of those who had
attended now took their leave but those who were invited to the feast wer=
e
happy to take a stroll through the grounds, basking in the red glow of th=
e
strengthening sun which stole the winter chill from the crisp air or
wandered in doors taking their ease in the garden room of the mansion.

     During the break Kal, discerning that his wife required a few moment=
s'
respite, determinedly escorted Lois away from the many well-intentioned
congratulations and up to his bedchamber.  This was new territory for Loi=
s
and she avidly studied her latest domain.  The room was of similar
proportions to her own but more sparsely furnished and the decor, althoug=
h
of a more masculine bent, was not unpleasant.

      The main focus of the room, however, was the king sized bed or
perhaps it would be more to the point to say that the main focus of Lois'=

thoughts centred on what would happen later in that huge bed.

     Seeing where her interest lay, Kal strove to distract her.  "The roo=
m
might not be to your taste, Lois, but whatever you want changed will be
done."

     Startled from her sensuous daydreams, she began to circle the room,
nodding and shaking her head simultaneously.  "No!  Oh No!  It's
fine....... fine.  Well maybe a few little alterations here and there." =

     Lois was pleasantly surprised to discover that Etta and the other
maids had succeeded in transferring all her belongings into Kal's chamber=

during the ceremony.  Her clothes now hung alongside Kal's in the closet
and the nick-knacks she had brought from Earth were scattered throughout
the room; her grandmother's embroidered pillow and her toy bear now lay
amongst various other cushions on the wide bed.

     Which brought Lois' interest back to the bed.  She walked slowly
forward and smoothed her hand over the satiny counterpane.  "Nice
bed......... very large."  She turned and sat at its foot as she spoke,
bouncing once or twice, then throwing herself backwards onto the mattress=
. =

"Comfy too."

     "I think so."  Kal joined her on the bed and propping himself on an
elbow he smilingly gazed down into her lovely face.  "You are so
beautiful."  His hand gently rose to cup her cheek in a tender gesture. =

"So beautiful."

     After a moment the smile was replaced by an ardent look of desire an=
d
he bent his head and claimed her lips as his hand strayed possessively ov=
er
her body.  Once again passion threatened to overwhelm them and once again=
,
with a groan of profound dismay, he dragged himself back from the edge.

     "I want to make love to you so much, sweetheart, but I don't want to=

rush things."  His voice was thick with regret.  "I just wish we had more=

time."

     Her voice mirrored his lament.  "Well, there's always tonight."

     "We have more than tonight."  His arm remained thrown across her bod=
y
but he raised himself to look into her eyes.  "Tonight I will take you to=

Schieh-Ellion, the mystic mountain, where the House of El was founded and=

where I was born.  Think of our time there as our honeymoon."

     "A honeymoon!  I think I'll enjoy that very much."  And she laughed
sexily.  "And thank you for this."  Lois raised her left arm and gazed at=

her wrist and hand where rested the symbols of her union.  She lifted her=

head and grazed Kal's cheek lightly with her lips.  "The ring was a very
thoughtful touch, thank you."  Fingering the ring, her hand slipped to th=
e
gold band that bound her wrist and traced the inscription.  "I don't see =
an
opening.  How can I take it off?"

     "You can't, Lois.  I placed it on your wrist, only my touch can remo=
ve
it."  Kal blushed as he explained.  "It's a Kryptonian custom."

     "Sort of like a...... brand."  Lois could not keep the edge from her=

voice.

     "LO-ISSS!!"

     "That's all right Kal.  You didn't lie to me.  I accepted what I was=

getting into when I agreed to go with you."  Her tone was sad rather than=

angry and she added wistfully.  "I just wish things could be different."

     "They will be, Lois.  I promise."  And he set himself the task of
kissing away her sorrowful mood.

     Only this time it was Lois who broke apart when their instincts almo=
st
carried them away, pushing herself up from the bed and walking to the
window, distancing herself from the source of her delicious torment. =

Talk....... that was what was needed.  And boy, could she talk.  =

     "Talking of Kryptonian customs."  Lois turned back to face Kal.  "I'=
ve
been meaning to ask.  When Trey announced us as Lord and Lady of
El........."

     "Yes?!"  Kal asked with amusement.  He knew she was attempting to
distract her mind and body from thoughts of consummation.  Boy, he needed=

the distraction himself.  What he really needed was a cold shower but he
didn't think there was enough time for that.  And, besides, with Lois her=
e
he would be tempted to carry her into the shower with him.  On no, don't
imagine Lois naked, slick bubbles sliding down her silken skin. He felt
certain parts of his body respond to that image.

     "Isn't that your mother and father?"

     How did his mother and father get into the shower?!  "What?!"

     "Lara and Jor-El!  Aren't they the Lord and Lady of El?"

     The bemused expression cleared from Kal's face as enlightenment
dawned.  With a sigh he retreated from his pleasant reverie.  "Not any
more, though they will always be addressed as such.  Jor decided, before =
I
left for Earth, that if my mission was successful he would relinquish the=

leadership of the house of El on my marriage.  Father is a scientist.....=
.
a scholar.  He lectures at Elvar's University of Science and Technology. =

He's never been interested in government, though he was a member of Zor's=

council when Uncle needed him.  And to tell the truth, Mother manages the=

estates, though that's not for public consumption.  Father would loose fa=
ce
and Mother would be regarded as some sort of weird blue stocking.   But J=
or
is very happy to hand over the reins to me."  =

     "And Lara?!"

     Kal grinned, acknowledging the fact that Lois had so quickly learned=

his mother's character.  "I've already had one or two run ins with her. =

She still thinks I'm ten years old."

     "It can't be easy for her, Kal, always having to hide her abilities.=
" =

Lois was thoughtful and Kal swiftly discerned that she was considering he=
r
own position.

     "Things are different for you, Lois."  He answered her unspoken
worries.  "You're from Earth and people will expect you to be different."=
 =

   =

     "That's not very comforting, Kal ....... to be considered an alien."=

     "I love the fact that you're an alien."  And he determinedly rose fr=
om
the bed, intent on proving just how much he loved his alien wife, yet he
was interrupted in his quest by a knock on the door and a somewhat
embarrassed Etta, informing them that the feast was about to begin.  So
with an apologetic shrug Kal held out his hand to his bride.  =

     They were almost through the door when Lois pulled back on Kal's han=
d.
 "My medication!  I forgot.  I didn't take it this morning.  I always fee=
l
woozy  after I take it and I didn't want anything to cloud this moment."

     "Lois, it's very important that you take it.  I don't want you to be=

ill, especially tonight."

     "I know, I know."

     The couple began to busily search for the small medicine chest, but
found it almost immediately where Etta had left it on the bedside cabinet=
. =

Within minutes Lois had prepared and injected herself with the drug and t=
he
new Lord and Lady of El went to join their guests.

                                                                     ****=
*

     A rather light-headed bride walked with her groom into the dome whic=
h
was now set out with rows of long tables groaning with silver cutlery and=

finest porcelain in preparation for the banquet.   As Lois and Kal-El
walked into the assembly  the wedding guests, already seated at the table=
s,
 rose and applauded the couple.  Lois' legs wobbled drastically and she w=
as
grateful to reach the table on the dias and to take her seat with Kal at
its centre.

     The guests sat down and servants began unobtrusively to thread their=

way amongst the tables serving up the various dishes of the feast. =

Thankfully the atmosphere in the auditorium had cleared and yet Lois was
still assailed by the familiar dizziness.  In fact it seemed so much wors=
e
than previous bouts.  She tried to focus her attention on Kal who was
apparently speaking to her.  She could see his lips moving, if only she
could hear his words.  The background hum of conversations faded in and o=
ut
of her consciousness and the light in the hall seemed to be dimming as if=
 a
dark veil had been pulled across her eyes.  Was someone drawing the air o=
ut
of the room?   It was so hard to breathe? =

     Kal looked on in horror as Lois stretched out a trembling hand to hi=
m
and he listened with dread to the rasping gasps that escaped her blue
tinged lips as she struggled to draw breath.  Even as he reached to help
her, the fluttering eyelids closed and she slumped over the arm of her
chair towards him.  Lois was unconscious. =

     He called for Tamar and with a sudden realization of what had occurr=
ed
Kal was speedily surrounded by helpers, the physician pushing his way
through to the girl's side.  After a short examination, at the doctor's
instructions Lois' inert body was gently carried from the room and almost=

in a trance the anxious, sorrowing Kal followed.   Behind him the crowded=

hall was hushed, then pandemonium broke out as the guests, their shock
receding, began to ask loud, worried questions.

     What had gone wrong?  Just minutes before Kal had been gloriously
happy.  He had thought that they were embarking on a whole new wonderful
long life together.  Was it now to be over before it had a chance to begi=
n?
 Kal, whose instinctive Kryptonian reserve had not allowed him to shed
public tears, stood now at the doorway of the medical unit, silent tears
tracking their way down his cheeks, while the only woman he could ever lo=
ve
fought to retain her fragile hold on life.

                                                                     ****=
*

To be continued. =
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On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:00:44 -0500 Kathy Brown
<kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM> wrote:

> There are more, but I can't think of them right now. Some of them were
> added back in during the repeat of the pilot. The first airing was 90
> minutes long minus commercials, but then when they made it into 2 hours
> minus commericals for reruns, they added a few things back to make up the
> extra time.
>

*Two hours* minus commercials? I thought the WB video version of the
Pilot, as released over here, was the complete version, but that is
90 minutes long, give or take a few.

So are you telling us that *we* are now missing scenes? We have all
those Kathy and Zoom mentioned.

Wendy
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On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:00:44 -0500 Kathy Brown
<kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM> wrote:

> There are more, but I can't think of them right now. Some of them were
> added back in during the repeat of the pilot. The first airing was 90
> minutes long minus commercials, but then when they made it into 2 hours
> minus commericals for reruns, they added a few things back to make up the
> extra time.

Sorry - me again. Just realised I might have misinterpreted Kathy's
posting. Did you mean two hours including or excluding commercials?
If it's the former, that would explain things.

Wendy
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On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:17:22 -0700 James Tull <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

> Bung and it's various forms.
>
> Okay I've seen this word used and still do not know
> what it is.  What does it mean?
>
> Its late at night and my puzzler's puzzed.

Do you mean bung as in slang for a bribe, or bung as in a stopper, or
bung as in slang for throwing?

Wendy  ;)
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In a message dated 08/18/1999 12:21:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
chaste@CYBERHOTLINE.COM writes:

<< I just don't see
 why, when your such a good editor yourself, you'd have to send your work
 out to someone else to correct goofs that are probably all in your mind
 anyway. >>

LOL, this is pretty much what I told her! What goofs did she want me to
find?
That was probably the least comments I ever had while editing!

--Laurie (Irene's #1 fan)
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On 08/16/1999 -0400, Pam wrote:

>The fanboy category was never really well defined, and it wasn't
>received too well in some quarters, either, unfortunately; no insults
>were intended.  You'll notice the category didn't recur in 1999... <g>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Pam Jernigan            |  jernigan@bellsouth.net

Intellectually I know that no insult was meant; my... cat, however, keeps
whining otherwise ;) :)

then on the same day, Laurie wrote

>Yeah, and this was one of my all time favorites. I thought clasifying it as
>"fanboy" did it a big disservice in terms of recognition.
>
>--Laurie

Thank you very much :)  I should write more of that kind of story... and
probably will when I find time.

Debby

debby@swcp.com

"Life was never meant to be a struggle; just a gentle progression from
one point to another, much like walking through a valley on a sunny day."
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On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:55:48 EDT No Name Available
<Larus2407@AOL.COM> wrote:

> << I just don't see
>  why, when your such a good editor yourself, you'd have to send your work
>  out to someone else to correct goofs that are probably all in your mind
>  anyway. >>
>
> LOL, this is pretty much what I told her! What goofs did she want me to
find?
> That was probably the least comments I ever had while editing!

I know the feeling, Laurie! Irene asked me where she was going wrong
with the parts she sent me to look over. All I had to say was
'nowhere!! It's perfect!'

Wendy
(who finds beta-editors a very useful invention these days)

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Jessi asked:

> Are there any large malls anymore that don't have the glass walls in
> the elevators

Somehow I doubt it.  I remember reading / hearing somewhere that one
of the reasons elevators have glass walls in malls is so that other
people in the mall can see *in*.  It thus makes them a safer
environment for people to travel in, rendering muggings and assaults
less likely.  If the people inside can see out, then that,
apparently, is an added bonus.

I don't know if this is a sad reflection on society, or a positive
thing in that it reflects the interest that urban designers have in
public safety issues.

Chris (who occasionally masquerades as an urban planner
in real life).
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It seems that almost every week, someone else asks, "Where can I find the
archives for the list?" "How can I get hold of <fill in the blank> that was
posted here a couple of weeks ago?" "How do I get off this list?"

Helpful listees are always willing to type out the relevant URL (yet again)
or to remind the questioner that detailed explanations of how to change
one's status on the list were sent out at the initial time of subscription.
It still keeps happening, though.

So I was wondering if it would be practical to post, on a monthly basis, an
FAQ that includes the archive's URL and the other -- well -- FAQs. :)
There's also Demi's (? I think she did it) excellent, detailed FAQ on
etiquette in critique. (Not to say we *shouldn't* offer constructive
criticism, Sandy, just offering the best way to do it and escape hurt
feelings in the process!) It's been a while since we all read it, and I'm
sure there are many newcomers to the list since then.

I've only been subscribed here for a year, and it may be that this
possibility was discussed once before and shot down for whatever reason.
I'm certainly not offering to *create* the FAQ -- I don't think I'm
knowledgeable enough. :) But it might turn out to be quite useful.

Hazel
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Jenni, this is marvelous!  Without giving away any spoilers, I will say
that you have created an amazingly complex, and contradictory world!

And no fair, leaving us hanging like you have!  I hope part 3 is ready
to be released soon.

Irene

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--- Melisma <melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA> wrote:
> Hey Nan (and anyone else) - just what does *anyone*
> mean? I was responding
> to Laurie's post, so I used her name. But Wendy and
> I (and Irene and I, if
> you are interested in the other club :) are *not*
> trying to leave anyone
> out... You like the author, so welcome to the club -
> we'll all have fun
> together. And embarrass our fave authors to death,
> to boot :D

Mel, I think I can speak for Wendy too.  You do know how to embarass us
to death!!

Irene
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Alexis,

Thank you so much for taking the time to send me such detailed
feedback.  I appreciate it more than I can say.

I'm looking forward to reading your fanfic when you're done writing,
but I can't guarantee that I will give you the same kind of response.
I'm terrible at giving detailed feedback -- I'm more along the lines of
"Me too! Thought it was great!" or "I really liked this story!"  I will
try to do better though, I promise! ;)

Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

--- No Name Available <MsLoisette@AOL.COM> wrote:
> Ok this review, or whatever it is, is really, really
> old!!!  I think it has
> been 3 months at least since I read this story, {but
> since I was busy with
> school and other things, I have finally gotten
> around to it.}  Fortunately, I
> had underlined everything I liked so it shouldn't be
> too hard to give my
> review! <G>
>
> Alexis ;-.)
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> "Firestorm," is a great story, it was so wonderful
> and it kept me on the edge
> of my seat!   I don't know what else to say because
> it is that good!!
>
> In this email I want to illustrate what some of my
> favorite lines of the
> story was:
>
> >>Since before I was born!  Uncle Herb, please
> explain more clearly.  I think
> I'm getting a headache!<<
>
> It's shades of Lois Lane all over again!  LOL!  {the
> headache phrase is what
> made me laugh.. It made me think of "Soul Mates."}
>
> >>Herb spoke up. "No time like the present, my dear.
>  You scoot home, pack
> and hurry back and we'll be off."<<
>
> Now that line seems familiar.  ;)
>
> {excerpt from a letter}
>
> >>  As for the glasses, you could say they're a
> family tradition!<<
>
> That was so cute and so true! <G>  It's nice to know
> that Lois and Clark have
> a future filled with offspring.
>
> >>"And Superman is really Clark Kent.  I always knew
> they looked a little
> alike, but... Oh my God!  Does Lois know?  I mean,
> she is married to him and
> everything!  She must know, right?  What if she
> doesn't know?  Should we tell
> her?"  He waved his hands in the air.
> "Gramps, I mean Dr. Klein.  Stop! You're
> babbling!"<<
>
> I loved this section, it made me laugh and it
> sounded so like Dr. Klein.  In
> a way I think this reaction would of been a more
> appropiate reaction for Lois
> to say in ATAI.  I can just see her now.. "Clark?
> You're Superman?    Does
> your parents know?  I mean they raised you but you
> became Superman after you
> came to Metropolis!" ;)
>
> >>Clark grinned to himself.  Lee defended herself
> and Dr. Klein articulately
> and logically, but there was passion there too.  She
> reminded him of Lois.<<
>
> Lee was very much like Lois in ways.  I loved the
> way you took traits of Lois
> and incorporated them with Lee before everyone knew
> that Lee was Lois and
> Clark's future granddaughter. =)
>
> >>"What's going on here?" asked an authoritative
> voice from behind.  Lee
> whirled to face the newcomer.
> "Um...Superman!  This...man just tired to mug me!"
> Lee noted Superman's
> start of surprise when he saw who she was.
> "Are you all right?" he asked in concern.
> Lee felt off balance by his close proximity to her.
> "Sure.  No problem.  It's a good thing my grandma
> taught me Tae Kwon Do!" Lee
> responded impishly.  This whole situation started to
> seem amusing.
> The corners of his mouth twitched.  "I think your
> Grandma is someone I would
> like to meet sometime."
> Lee choked back laughter.  "Grandma is really
> something special!  I bet you'd
> like her!" she admitted.<<
>
> LOL! ;)
>
> >>"If you don't mind waiting.  I'll take this guy to
> the police and be right
> back to make sure that you're home safely."
> Her amusement fled.  He sounded awfully patronizing,
> she thought.  "Thanks,
> Superman.  But I'm just a block away from home.  I
> should be fine," Lee
> answered coolly.
> He looked at her surprised by the sudden mood
> change.  He nodded, and bent
> down, scooping up the mugger.  Then with a whoosh he
> was gone.
> Lee continued on her way, bemused by the whole
> experience.  As she walked up
> the steps of her apartment building, she noticed a
> figure hovering in the air
> above her.  If she hadn't had enhanced vision, she
> never would have known he
> was there.  In spite of her feelings towards him,
> she was touched.  His
> concern gave her a warm feeling of security.  It's
> too bad she couldn't feel
> that way about him the rest of the time, she thought
> as her smile faded.<<
>
> :( / :)
>
> >>"Ooh, you've got it bad!" Clark teased.  "How do
> you think I felt about
> Lois the first time I met her?" he asked.
> "Oh no, I'm doomed!" Jimmy joked.<<
>
> LOL!
>
> >>I have incredible powers, but...at this moment in
> time, I feel completely
> helpless.<<
>
> The Superman complex.
>
> >>She grinned.  "When my mom was treated with the
> same serum, she experienced
> a huge increase in her energy levels.  It was sort
> of like having the
> nestling instinct run amuck!"
> Superman threw his hands in the air.  "I have enough
> trouble keeping up with
> her now; she's already a tornado!" he exclaimed.<<
>
> LOL!  I just had to smile at that phrase because it
> is so true!
>
> >>Lee sighed.  "It's not a fun situation, that's for
> sure.  I've talked this
> to death with Uncle Bernie.  You know, Clark, the
> minute I saw Jimmy I felt
> like... I don't know.. like a thunderbolt had
> slammed into me out of the
> clear blue sky.  You told me - at least you will
> tell me, that you felt like
> that with Lois.  And my dad never even looked a
> woman other than mom.  I
> don't know if this certainty about someone is part
> of the Kryptonian
> heritage, but at this moment in time, all I can say
> is - it really stinks!"<<
>
> It's nice to know that Clark and Lee can talk about
> something they have in
> common.
>
> "Lee, I'm thinking about what my life would have
> been like if I didn't have
> Lois in it.  That's a life I don't ever want to
> face.  Until I met her, I
> didn't know where I belonged.  I wasn't part of the
> world, but I wasn't apart
> from it either.  I didn't even know how lost I felt,
> until I found myself in
> her.  Logically, I should tell you to run away from
> Jimmy as fast as you can,
> but love's not logical.  I really do believe the old
> saying, 'It's better to
> have loved and lost than never too, have loved at
> all.' It's your decision,
> and it's Jimmy's decision too, but...even if you
> only have a short time with
> Jimmy, I still think you should be with him, and
> tell him everything... and I
> do mean everything.  It's time he knew the truth
> about me too; I've wanted to
>
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LOL :) Oh goodie! At least she is *acknowledging* that she is one of my
fave authors :D

Melisma

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>I wrote:
>...welcome to the club -  we'll all have fun together. And embarrass our
fave authors >to death, to boot :D

>Then Irene wrote:
>Mel, I think I can speak for Wendy too.  You do know how to embarass us
>to death!!
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Sorry, should have given examples.  I was refering to
the several references in the Ratings and Killing a
show.
However your question helped my out.  Thanks.

--- Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:17:22 -0700 James Tull
> <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM>
> wrote:
>
> > Bung and it's various forms.
> >
> > Okay I've seen this word used and still do not
> know
> > what it is.  What does it mean?
> >
> > Its late at night and my puzzler's puzzed.
>
>
> Do you mean bung as in slang for a bribe, or bung as
> in a stopper, or
> bung as in slang for throwing?
>
>
> Wendy  ;)
> ----------------------
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Irene, you've done it again!  All I can say is that
you hurry up and finish the next part so we can read
it.
I think we definitely have an author that is a
contender for multiple categories for Kerth 2000.
Best Series
Best New Author
Best Fan Fic
Best Waffy
And do I see a Best Dramatic for the story in which
Jon dies.(that is if I remember my Firestorm history
correctly.

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I feel like Lois with her mixed-up memories: can someone remind me who was
who in the altUniverse.  Charlton Heston was president, wasn't he?  And
Elvis wasn't dead, but I've a feeling he held some sort of official role as
well.

Yvonne
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Hadn't Elvis been president before Heston, or some such thing? I may
be wrong... I may in fact be taking this from Margaret Brignell's
Alt-universe.

What I do remember from Tempus, Anyone is that Elvis attended Perry's
press conference after he'd been declared Mayor. Not sure why that
was, other than for effect ;)

Wendy

On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:05:05 +0100 Yvonne Connell <yconnell@UKF.NET>
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> I feel like Lois with her mixed-up memories: can someone remind me who was
> who in the altUniverse.  Charlton Heston was president, wasn't he?  And
> Elvis wasn't dead, but I've a feeling he held some sort of official role
as
> well.
>
> Yvonne

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Hi James,

Thank you so much for your enthusiastic compliments!   :D

But, uh, I don't know how to break it to you - Jon doesn't die.  I
don't want to kill off any more characters although I don't suppose I
can keep Perry, Martha or Jonathan around forever.

Thanks again,
Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

--- James Tull <mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Irene, you've done it again!  All I can say is that
> you hurry up and finish the next part so we can read
> it.
> I think we definitely have an author that is a
> contender for multiple categories for Kerth 2000.
> Best Series
> Best New Author
> Best Fan Fic
> Best Waffy
> And do I see a Best Dramatic for the story in which
> Jon dies.(that is if I remember my Firestorm history
> correctly.
>
>
>
> ===
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Cindy, Cindy, Cindy!

I'm really, really trying hard to get the next part ready to go; I'm
reviewing the notes sent me by my editors.  But I'm working on a couple
of other things right now, as well as editing this really fantastic
story by someone you might know (g) and real life is intruding.  I'll
get the next part out soon, I promise.

Irene

--- Cynthia Haste <chaste@CYBERHOTLINE.COM> wrote:
> Wendy Richards wrote:
>
> > Hi Irene!
> >
> > I'm glad you've posted this at last - I still
> think it's as good as I
> > told you it was weeks ago! Hurry up and post the
> next part... all I
> > can say is, Irene fans, it gets even better!
>
> Irene are you holding out on us?  How come Wendy got
> to read the next part
> and we haven't?  No fair playing favorites.  Tell
> your editors to hurry up
> so the rest of us can read it too.  Oh yeah, editors
> aren't to be hurried
> (sigh).  OK, patience is my middle name.  I can
> wait.  I just don't see
> why, when your such a good editor yourself, you'd
> have to send your work
> out to someone else to correct goofs that are
> probably all in your mind
> anyway.
>
> Cindy
> Who just remembered her middle name is Ann, and
> doesn't want to be patient
> anymore.  Post the next part as is, and we'll edit
> it ourselves.
>

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Melisma wrote:

> Hey Nan (and anyone else) - just what does *anyone* mean? I was responding
> to Laurie's post, so I used her name. But Wendy and I (and Irene and I, if
> you are interested in the other club :) are *not* trying to leave anyone
> out... You like the author, so welcome to the club - we'll all have fun
> together. And embarrass our fave authors to death, to boot :D
>
> Melisma
>

I think I've already done that to poor Irene, but, hey, what the heck!
Count me
in.

Nan

> >> >
> >
> >
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<<Hadn't Elvis been president before Heston, or some
such thing? <snip> What I do remember from Tempus, Anyone is that Elvis
attended Perry's press conference after he'd been declared Mayor. Not
sure why that
was, other than for effect ;)>>
> Wendy

Yeah, Elvis had been president.  During Perry's acceptence speech he
quoted Elvis, it was something like, "I wasn't me you elected but my
principles."  Appartently they were also friends.  Hope this helps!  :)
~Jocelyn
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At 11:25 AM +0100 8/18/99, Wendy Richards wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:00:44 -0500 Kathy Brown
><kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM> wrote:
>
>
>> There are more, but I can't think of them right now. Some of them were
>> added back in during the repeat of the pilot. The first airing was 90
>> minutes long minus commercials, but then when they made it into 2 hours
>> minus commericals for reruns, they added a few things back to make up the
>> extra time.
>
>Sorry - me again. Just realised I might have misinterpreted Kathy's
>posting. Did you mean two hours including or excluding commercials?
>If it's the former, that would explain things.

Two hours including commericials ... they show the pilot in two parts, each
an hour long. But we have 10-15 minutes of commericials here included in
every "hour long" television program, so that would be about 90-100 minutes
of "show" and 20-30 minutes of commericials for the "2 hour" pilot.

Does that clear things up?

Kathy

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On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:08:13 -0500 Kathy Brown
<kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM> wrote:

> Two hours including commericials ... they show the pilot in two parts,
each
> an hour long. But we have 10-15 minutes of commericials here included in
> every "hour long" television program, so that would be about 90-100
minutes
> of "show" and 20-30 minutes of commericials for the "2 hour" pilot.
>
> Does that clear things up?

Yes, that *does* make sense, since your 1-hour episodes become 45
minutes on the WB videos. A 2-hour Pilot would come down to about 90
minutes stripped of ads, which is what I have on my video.

So I'm not missing anything.... this time... ;)

Wendy

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In a message dated 08/18/1999 12:23:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes:

<< But, uh, I don't know how to break it to you - Jon doesn't die.  I
 don't want to kill off any more characters although I don't suppose I
 can keep Perry, Martha or Jonathan around forever. >>

Oh, thank you. I was racking my brain trying to remember something that just
wasn't coming through at all. Duh! I couldn't remember cause it wasn't
really
there <g>.

--Laurie (Irene's #1 fan)
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I just wanted to thank everyone for all the great fanfic I've been
reading lately.  I discovered L&C fanfic a couple of years ago when
someone sent me Kathy Brown's wonderful stories.  Had a couple of
computer crashes between then and now, so I've only been back reading it
for a couple of months.  I've found so many great stories and sites,
that I'm having a hard time doing justice to all of them.

I taped the show last Sunday.  Was that the first regular season episode
after the pilot?  Of course, it would be on at 8 a.m. on Sunday morning.
When the school year (college) starts, Sunday is the only day of the
week I have to sleep late.  So I'm up at 7:45 to tape L&C.  Well, some
things are worth the sacrifice.  And I could program the VCR, IF I could
find the directions.  Oh well..

And does anyone know how I can get a copy of the pilot?  I'm going to
assume they aren't planning on showing it anytime soon????

Thanks again,

Quinn
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I haven't read these stories yet, but I want to thank you for not
killing anyone off.  I hate having my favorite characters die.
Depresses me for days.

quinn

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        In a message dated 08/18/1999 12:23:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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        << But, uh, I don't know how to break it to you - Jon doesn't
die.  I
         don't want to kill off any more characters although I don't
suppose I
         can keep Perry, Martha or Jonathan around forever. >>

        Oh, thank you. I was racking my brain trying to remember
something that just
        wasn't coming through at all. Duh! I couldn't remember cause it
wasn't really
        there <g>.

        --Laurie (Irene's #1 fan)
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>In a message dated 08/18/1999 12:21:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>chaste@CYBERHOTLINE.COM writes:
>
><< I just don't see
> why, when your such a good editor yourself, you'd have to send your work
> out to someone else to correct goofs that are probably all in your mind
> anyway. >>
>

I know Cindy was just teasing Irene about hurrying up with her story and
not making everyone wait until it was edited, however, as a writer who
values her editors, I have to point out that *every* writer can benefit
>from a good editor or two, even the great ones!

It's not just a matter of what major goofs can be found in a story (most
top fanfic writers, in my experience, edit their own work extensively
before they send it out for "real" editing), it's all the little things.
All authors know what they are trying to say, and because of that, we can't
always be objective when we read our own work for the 100th time.  How many
times has someone found a missing word in a paragraph that I had looked at
time and time again and didn't notice it?

And of course, there are the subtle plot holes.  "When you said this in the
first section, I thought you would follow up on it later but you never
addressed it again."  "You've lost me here ... I can't get a picture from
your description."  "Don't you think Clark would be upset if Lois said
that?"

I'd be lost without my editors. They are worth their weight in gold. :)

Kathy

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Hi Quinn,

Welcome back!

Re: your first question.

One thing you need to realise is that people on this mailing list hail
>from all over the world - from Canada (where I am), the U.S. to Europe,
Australia and the U.K.

You have to describe the episode a little bit for us to answer your
question.

Thanks,
Irene
--- Lanita Cornwall <cornwall@WC.EDU> wrote:
> I just wanted to thank everyone for all the great
> fanfic I've been
> reading lately.  I discovered L&C fanfic a couple of
> years ago when
> someone sent me Kathy Brown's wonderful stories.
> Had a couple of
> computer crashes between then and now, so I've only
> been back reading it
> for a couple of months.  I've found so many great
> stories and sites,
> that I'm having a hard time doing justice to all of
> them.
>
> I taped the show last Sunday.  Was that the first
> regular season episode
> after the pilot?  Of course, it would be on at 8
> a.m. on Sunday morning.
> When the school year (college) starts, Sunday is the
> only day of the
> week I have to sleep late.  So I'm up at 7:45 to
> tape L&C.  Well, some
> things are worth the sacrifice.  And I could program
> the VCR, IF I could
> find the directions.  Oh well..
>
> And does anyone know how I can get a copy of the
> pilot?  I'm going to
> assume they aren't planning on showing it anytime
> soon????
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Quinn
>

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At 6:42 AM -0500 8/18/99, Hazel wrote:

>So I was wondering if it would be practical to post, on a monthly basis, an
>FAQ that includes the archive's URL and the other -- well -- FAQs. :)

>I've only been subscribed here for a year, and it may be that this
>possibility was discussed once before and shot down for whatever reason.
>I'm certainly not offering to *create* the FAQ -- I don't think I'm
>knowledgeable enough. :) But it might turn out to be quite useful.

If I remember correctly, Farah was talking about making one of these up
last year for just this purpose (to complement Demi's critique FAQ), but
then she got her exciting new job :) and had to take off on short notice.
I have no idea if she has anymore time now than she did last spring, but
it's certainly a good idea that's been in planning for some time now. It's
just a matter of finding the time to actually do it!

Though I have to tell you ... IMO, most of the people who post questions
like this have been subscribed to the list for many months, and have seen
the question answered before. They just have chosen, for some strange
reason ;), not to save the file that says "Save this file for future
reference!!"

I've suggested more than once that we should replace it with "Delete this
file immediately!!!" and more people would keep it. ;)

But then again, I'm also boggled by how many people reply to a post, see
the original poster's name right in front of them ... and still spell the
person's name wrong. ;)

Kathy

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I have to side with Kathy (and I'm sure many others) on this:

> I know Cindy was just teasing Irene about hurrying up with her story and
> not making everyone wait until it was edited, however, as a writer who
> values her editors, I have to point out that *every* writer can benefit
> from a good editor or two, even the great ones!
>
> It's not just a matter of what major goofs can be found in a story (most
> top fanfic writers, in my experience, edit their own work extensively
> before they send it out for "real" editing), it's all the little things.
> All authors know what they are trying to say, and because of
> that, we can't
> always be objective when we read our own work for the 100th time.

Oh, boy, do I agree wholeheartedly!  Some of you know that I'm a General
Editor for the Fanfic Archive since I've worked with you on your wonderful
stories, but even so, I tend to miss TONS of things in my fanfics that only
an objective editor has caught.  Kathy can attest to this in my first
attempt at fanfiction with "When You Needed Me Most", which I sent to her
and then got back like a 10 page email (okay, maybe I'm exaggerating <g>)
with tons of stuff I've missed, especially plotholes that needed cities to
fill.  ;)

Then poor Wendy Richards--as a fellow General Editor with the archive (hi
Wendy! ;)--had to muddle her way through my last year's big fic "What It
Means to Love You", finding missing words, left out punctuation, mis-used
forms of words...I was embarrassed to call myself an editor! <sg>

So I agree that an editor is definitely worth his/her weight in gold.  I
couldn't write a good fanfic without one.  ;)

Erin  :)
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At 1:42 PM -0500 8/18/99, Lanita Cornwall wrote:
>I discovered L&C fanfic a couple of years ago when
>someone sent me Kathy Brown's wonderful stories.

Well if they were my nfics, I hope it was me that sent them to you. <g>

Thanks for the compliment!  It is very much appreciated!!

As for your question about the episode on TNT, I didn't watch it  myself
but someone else mentioned to me this weekend that they skipped the pilot
and went right onto Stranger Visitor, yes.  I honestly don't know WHY they
did that, skipping the two-part pilot episode, and I hope you are able to
come up with a copy of it.

One suggestion (beating Debby to it <g>) ... you might consider mentioning
where you live. There might be a fan who lives in the same city or a
neighboring one that might let you borrow their tape if they can't make you
a copy.  Not everyone wants to give out this information, but it is one
idea.

Good luck finding the pilot on tape.  And fiddle with that VCR ... it's
much nicer to be sleeping in on Sunday mornings in college.  I remember
those days well. <g>

Kathy (a posting machine today!)

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That's for sure!  I'd be lost without my editor (that's Erin, by the way)
She
helped an enormous amount with "Dagger of the Mind" and the subsequent
stories.  I may tell a good story, but my punctuation stinks!"

Nan

Erin Klingler wrote:

> I have to side with Kathy (and I'm sure many others) on this:
>
> > I know Cindy was just teasing Irene about hurrying up with her story and
> > not making everyone wait until it was edited, however, as a writer who
> > values her editors, I have to point out that *every* writer can benefit
> > from a good editor or two, even the great ones!
> >
> > It's not just a matter of what major goofs can be found in a story (most
> > top fanfic writers, in my experience, edit their own work extensively
> > before they send it out for "real" editing), it's all the little things.
> > All authors know what they are trying to say, and because of
> > that, we can't
> > always be objective when we read our own work for the 100th time.
>
> Oh, boy, do I agree wholeheartedly!  Some of you know that I'm a General
> Editor for the Fanfic Archive since I've worked with you on your wonderful
> stories, but even so, I tend to miss TONS of things in my fanfics that
only
> an objective editor has caught.  Kathy can attest to this in my first
> attempt at fanfiction with "When You Needed Me Most", which I sent to her
> and then got back like a 10 page email (okay, maybe I'm exaggerating <g>)
> with tons of stuff I've missed, especially plotholes that needed cities to
> fill.  ;)
>
> Then poor Wendy Richards--as a fellow General Editor with the archive (hi
> Wendy! ;)--had to muddle her way through my last year's big fic "What It
> Means to Love You", finding missing words, left out punctuation, mis-used
> forms of words...I was embarrassed to call myself an editor! <sg>
>
> So I agree that an editor is definitely worth his/her weight in gold.  I
> couldn't write a good fanfic without one.  ;)
>
> Erin  :)
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At 11:42 PM -0500 8/17/99, Jessi Mounts wrote:

>I've always wondered about that.  What exactly was cut for the US
airing?
>And why was it cut?  Time?

I don't have a list of scenes but maybe someone else does ... I know
the
scene that we saw in the US between Lois and Lucy was longer in the UK.
Lois says "Geez, I'm only 26!" when Lucy tells her she needs to date
more,
and Lucy says "26 today, 36 tomorrow".

There is also a scene where Perry finds Clark in the supply closet
(coming
back from a resuce maybe) and says "Son, are you coming out of the
closet
anytime soon?" <g>

There are more, but I can't think of them right now. Some of them were
added back in during the repeat of the pilot. The first airing was 90
minutes long minus commercials, but then when they made it into 2 hours
minus commericals for reruns, they added a few things back to make up
the
extra time.

Kathy
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This is a current topic on Zoom's Boards right now. She has posted some
wonderful pics from the scenes cut in the US. They're under the topic
'20 Questions'

TerriAnn

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OK Melisma, add me to Irene's #1 Fan club too!
Do we get a button??  How about one with Firestorm's stylized flame
insignia on it.   (hehe)  :)

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In a message dated 8/18/99 2:16:18 PM EST, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes:

<< Good luck finding the pilot on tape.  And fiddle with that VCR ... it's
 much nicer to be sleeping in on Sunday mornings in college.  I remember
 those days well. <g> >>

Speaking of college.. i am going to be a junior this year! ;)  What i used
to
do is wake up at 8:30am and wash my face so i would wake up my eyes and head
on downstairs to the tv lounge to watch LnC at 9am.  I didn't have to do
that
when LnC was on 5 days a week, but they took that away.. i wanted to watch
something in order.. {see where i was the Canadian channel that was based in
the US here showed Lnc 5 days a week, but i got to the point where i
couldn't
watch LnC everyday, so I picked and chose what eps i wanted to watch!
Fortunately I can still pick this channel up from home.. as many miles away
as I am from Canada, because I have a really strong antennae {SP?} }  But
enough of that babble.. Anywho, after i watched LnC while eating my
breakfast.. if it wasn't too noisy in the dorms I liked to crawl back to
sleep and take a 2 hour nap!  Those 2 hour naps after watching a relaxing ep
of LnC were some of the best! <G>

Alexis ;-.)
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Hi, Jenni:

Cliffhangers drive me absolutely crazy, and everybody does it.  This
installment was really good.  I can see you're setting us up for  really
exciting times, but please don't take too long with the next one!  I don't
think I can stand it!

Nan
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How about the main archive? Is there a FAQ page there?
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At 5:31 PM -0400 8/18/99, Norman Mayes wrote:
>How about the main archive? Is there a FAQ page there?

Do you mean the main Fanfic Archive, or the archive for this listserv?  The
Fanfic Archive has an FAQ for the Archive, not for the listserv.  I haven't
seen one in the listserv archive, but that would be a good place for a
link, in addition to posting it here every so often.

Kathy

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In a message dated 99-08-18 17:36:59 EDT, you write:

<< Do you mean the main Fanfic Archive, or the archive for this listserv?
The
 Fanfic Archive has an FAQ for the Archive, not for the listserv.  >>

I just looked at the Fanfic archive site. There are three seperate pages for
information there. The LOISCLA List info page shows how to join, but not how
to get off the list. One FAQ page is devoted to etiquete.
     I.   Introduction to Debate/Critique
     II.  Essential RULES of Discussion and Critique
     III. Fanfic Criticism: Who Should Do It & When?
     IV.  Define "Fair Play"
The third has more general info, but doesn't seem to cover all the bases.
There is some info on other fanfic sites, but only a few. Question: would it
be a good idea for a page of links to more fanfic sites ? Several times
there
have been requests for lost websites.

The LISTSERV archive does have info for joining & leaving the list but not
much other info.
budmayes@aol.com
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Thanks to everyone who answered my question about Elvis and Charlton Heston.
Now I won't stick my foot in it when I'm writing Perry in this universe :)

Yvonne
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At 5:59 PM -0400 8/18/99, Norman Mayes wrote:

>I just looked at the Fanfic archive site. There are three seperate pages
for
>information there. The LOISCLA List info page shows how to join, but not
how
>to get off the list.

Thanks for pointing this out. This information is most likely for the old
Trean list, and since the discussion list is now on Onelist, this would be
out of date.   I'll see what we can do about getting this information
updated.

> One FAQ page is devoted to etiquete.

>The third has more general info, but doesn't seem to cover all the bases.
>There is some info on other fanfic sites, but only a few.

There should also be information on how to submit stories, editing tips,
etc. What bases do you think are missing, given that this is a FAQ for the
Archive, not for this fanfic listserv?  (They are two separate entities,
run by two separate people/groups.)  I'm definitely open to suggestions,
>from you or anyone else, if you think information is missing.

> Question: would it
>be a good idea for a page of links to more fanfic sites ? Several times
there
>have been requests for lost websites.

It's very difficult for us to keep track everyone's changing website, if
they don't notify us directly.  We'll add this to the list of suggestions,
though. That doesn't mean we'll do it, but we will certainly discuss the
possibility. Thanks for the suggestion.

Kathy

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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:15:08 +0000
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Subject:      thanks for the help ...

Thanks Kathy and everyone for all your help ..

It's been great!!!

Now I can carry on with my story with (hopefully) no more hiccups :-)

Angee.

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> So I was wondering if it would be practical to post, on a monthly basis,
an
> FAQ that includes the archive's URL and the other -- well -- FAQs. :)
> There's also Demi's (? I think she did it) excellent, detailed FAQ on
> etiquette in critique. (Not to say we *shouldn't* offer constructive
> criticism, Sandy, just offering the best way to do it and escape hurt
> feelings in the process!) It's been a while since we all read it, and I'm
> sure there are many newcomers to the list since then.

I won't comment on whether there needs to be a fanfic list FAQ
addressing frequently asked questions or the proverbial, "how do I
unsubmit" post.  But, since my name was mentioned....

Would that we actually needed to post a "critique FAQ" as a reminder.
If we did, then that would mean there was enough criticism to be
addressed by it, constructive or otherwise.  However, there really isn't
much.  There wasn't before the FAQ was written -- in fact.<g>

Sandy -- who doesn't feel in need of an etiquette lesson, thank you very
much.
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At 11:48 AM 08/17/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Whew! I thought for a moment that I lost you guys. I
>mean gals.  How about people?  Individuals with a
>common purpose? Whatever.
>James

How about "all my friends" ?  :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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From:         Debby <Debby@SWCP.COM>
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At 03:48 PM 08/17/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>At 4:20 PM -0400 8/17/99, Ann E. McBride wrote:
[snip]
>>Well, Debby, I don't care what anyone wants to call "Carry Tiger to
>>Mountain."  It is a fantastic story that I should go reread.

>I will second this recommendation ... Carry Tiger was a fantastic read.  I
>can't remember if it's on the Archive, but if it's not, Debby, can you
>please give everyone your URL so they can get it from your site?
>
>Trust me, people, you won't be disappointed!
>
>Kathy

Thanks, Kathy! It's on my site at
ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark/Stories or
available from me via email.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who confirms that Kathy's
a great writer, too!
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At 04:03 PM 08/17/1999 -0500, you wrote:

[snip]

>>Trust me, people, you won't be disappointed!
>>
>>Kathy
>
>
>No, you won't, and yes, it's on the archive. Run, don't walk! One of
>Debby's best, IMHO. :)
>
>Hazel

Thank you to a fan who's becoming a fanfic legend! I have your great
stories in
my "to-read" file (that's about 5 megs large at the moment) and hope to get
to
them... soon :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark/Stories
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>Hi James,

>Thank you so much for your enthusiastic compliments!   :D

>But, uh, I don't know how to break it to you - Jon doesn't die.  I
>don't want to kill off any more characters although I don't suppose I
>can keep Perry, Martha or Jonathan around forever.

>Thanks again,
>Irene
>sirenegold@yahoo.com

*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*

Thanks for clarifying, Irene.  I was going to bop James over the head<g>
for letting out a major spoiler since I hadn't read anything about Jon
dying.  I'm enjoying your stories, by the way.  I must admit a slight
prejudice toward stories which include L&C's kids (or I wouldn't haven't
written three of them). I don't know whether it's some deep
psychological thing or whether I just feel cheated by the show's aborted
ending and need to see it completed.

I'm a little less enthusiastic about the predestination story line.
Although its a nice thought that there's one special person in the world
for each one of us, I like the idea that we have a little more freedom
and that there are many roads to choose from.  So, I'm not sure how I
feel about knowing that Sam and Astrid are destined for each other.  I
think if I were writing this (and I know I'm not<g>), I would string the
reader along with this incredible set-up and then ...

have Astrid marry Jon.

Will look forward to the next chapter,
Sandy
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--- Sandy McDermin <smcdermin@EROLS.COM> wrote:
> >Hi James,
>
> >Thank you so much for your enthusiastic
> compliments!   :D
>
> >But, uh, I don't know how to break it to you - Jon
> doesn't die.  I
> >don't want to kill off any more characters although
> I don't suppose I
> >can keep Perry, Martha or Jonathan around forever.
>
> >Thanks again,
> >Irene
> >sirenegold@yahoo.com
>
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *
>
Hi Sandy,

LOL! I'm glad that I inadvertently prevented online violence! That just
wouldn't do!

I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying my stories. I take that as a huge
compliment from the author of "Little Man, Super", "Something's
Missing" and the incomparable "Love as a Blonde."  Obviously I enjoy
next-gen stories also.

Although I am using predestination as an integral part of my story, and
Sam *will* end up with Astrid, I will remind you of the old saying. "Be
careful what you wish for; you might just get it."  Things might not be
quite so idyllic as some might think in their relationship.  Think of
it as the dark side of soulmates.  I'm not going to say any more; I
can't give away all my secrets! (vbeg)  Besides, I have 3 other
children I can have a lot of fun manipulating!

Thanks for writing, Sandy.  I hope you enjoy the end result (if I ever
finish this epic.)

Take care,
Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com
> Thanks for clarifying, Irene.  I was going to bop
> James over the head<g>
> for letting out a major spoiler since I hadn't read
> anything about Jon
> dying.  I'm enjoying your stories, by the way.  I
> must admit a slight
> prejudice toward stories which include L&C's kids
> (or I wouldn't haven't
> written three of them). I don't know whether it's
> some deep
> psychological thing or whether I just feel cheated
> by the show's aborted
> ending and need to see it completed.
>
> I'm a little less enthusiastic about the
> predestination story line.
> Although its a nice thought that there's one special
> person in the world
> for each one of us, I like the idea that we have a
> little more freedom
> and that there are many roads to choose from.  So,
> I'm not sure how I
> feel about knowing that Sam and Astrid are destined
> for each other.  I
> think if I were writing this (and I know I'm
> not<g>), I would string the
> reader along with this incredible set-up and then
> ...
>
> have Astrid marry Jon.
>
> Will look forward to the next chapter,
> Sandy
> smcdermin@erols.com
>

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At 8:22 PM -0400 8/18/99, Sandy McDermin wrote:

>Would that we actually needed to post a "critique FAQ" as a reminder.
>If we did, then that would mean there was enough criticism to be
>addressed by it, constructive or otherwise.  However, there really isn't
>much.  There wasn't before the FAQ was written -- in fact.<g>
>
>Sandy -- who doesn't feel in need of an etiquette lesson, thank you very
>much.

The Critique FAQ was written just as much for the Fanfic Archive as for
this fanfic listserv, so whether there was or wasn't a lot of critiquing on
this forum is kind of besides the point.  The people that run the two
forums felt there was a need and they addressed it.  I think the fact that
three writers in the last 2-3 weeks have acknowledged receiving "unkind"
feedback privately proves that more people need to read just this type of
information.

Maybe those unkind emailers were the type of people who were writing just
to be mean and a whole truckload of FAQ's dumped on their doorsteps
wouldn't have stopped them.  But in that case, at least a writer who was
being flamed could look at the FAQ and know that they weren't being
oversensitive -- or alternatively, look at the FAQ and realize that the
email *was* polite and they were being oversensitive.

Kathy

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What a wonderful idea, TA! (May I *call* you TA? :) Mebbe me and Wendy
should talk it over...

Melisma

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>Do we get a button??  How about one with Firestorm's stylized flame
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>
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At 04:20 PM 08/17/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/16/99 7:50:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Debby@SWCP.COM
>writes:
>
><<
> My "Carry Tiger to Mountain" was considered "fanboy" and frankly I was a
bit
> (maybe more than a bit) insulted. I' >>
>
>
>Well, Debby, I don't care what anyone wants to call "Carry Tiger to
>Mountain."  It is a fantastic story that I should go reread.
>
>
>Ann

Yes, you should. :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who should be reading, too...
here's hoping we all have plenty of
electricity in Y2k :)
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Kathy Brown wrote:
>
> At 8:22 PM -0400 8/18/99, Sandy McDermin wrote:
>
> >Would that we actually needed to post a "critique FAQ" as a reminder.
> >If we did, then that would mean there was enough criticism to be
> >addressed by it, constructive or otherwise.  However, there really isn't
> >much.  There wasn't before the FAQ was written -- in fact.<g>
> >
> >Sandy -- who doesn't feel in need of an etiquette lesson, thank you very
> >much.
>
> The Critique FAQ was written just as much for the Fanfic Archive as for
> this fanfic listserv, so whether there was or wasn't a lot of critiquing
on
> this forum is kind of besides the point.

How is it beside the point?  It doesn't matter where the story is
located, the critiquing -- which became an issue and, I thought, was the
genesis of the FAQ -- happened here.  You can't post opinions about
stories on the archive. If there are other public forums where
critiquing has been going on and has become a bone of contention, well
I'm not aware of them and I apologize.

> The people that run the two
> forums felt there was a need and they addressed it.

And it was my opinion that a fly was swatted with a sledgehammer, but
that's only my opinion.

> I think the fact that
> three writers in the last 2-3 weeks have acknowledged receiving "unkind"
> feedback privately proves that more people need to read just this type of
> information.

I don't know whether the "critiquer" does or does not need to read the
FAQ in these cases since we're not privy to what they said and shouldn't
be.  As you mention below, the writers could be justified in feeling
upset or they could be oversensitive, but either way, a FAQ isn't meant
to regulate private e-mail.  It's meant to address what can be posted in
a public forum.  Reading the FAQ may prevent someone from saying
something privately which others might take offense at, but I'm much
more reluctant to agree that it should.

I don't mean to sound unfeeling about this and I certainly don't condone
name-calling, bigotry, sexual harrassment, or out and out unkindness,
but there is a point where the community's right to regulate in the
interest of harmony should not infringe on a individual's right to speak
freely.

In the end, no one has the right to never be offended.

Sandy

> Maybe those unkind emailers were the type of people who were writing just
> to be mean and a whole truckload of FAQ's dumped on their doorsteps
> wouldn't have stopped them.  But in that case, at least a writer who was
> being flamed could look at the FAQ and know that they weren't being
> oversensitive -- or alternatively, look at the FAQ and realize that the
> email *was* polite and they were being oversensitive.
>
> Kathy
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At 11:17 PM -0400 8/18/99, Sandy McDermin wrote:
> As you mention below, the writers could be justified in feeling
>upset or they could be oversensitive, but either way, a FAQ isn't meant
>to regulate private e-mail.  It's meant to address what can be posted in
>a public forum.  Reading the FAQ may prevent someone from saying
>something privately which others might take offense at, but I'm much
>more reluctant to agree that it should.

We'll have to agree to disagree here.  Yes, the FAQ has many references to
public posting, but I would hope most readers would be savvy enough to
realize that the same things that would be considered flames in public
would be just as hurtful in a private email.

Kathy

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woohoo!  way to go everyone!
:D
TmTrx
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> Whew! I thought for a moment that I lost you guys. I
> mean gals.  How about people?  Individuals with a
> common purpose? Whatever.
> James

I may be a gal but I certainly don't mind being thought of as one of 'you
guys.'  I heard once that 'guy' came from 'goy,' which means a non-Jew (from
Yiddish, from Hebrew 'tribe, nation'), so I looked it up in the dictionary,
and found first of all that it doesn't come from 'goy' but from Guy Fawkes.
Second, I found that 'guy' (3rd definition) is slang for a) a man or boy  b)
any person.  Ah, I've found where I heard that 'guy' came from 'goy': it's
in my dictionary of first names under 'Guy'.  Who was Guy Fawkes anyway?
All that to say, I don't mind being call a guy.

-Diyan
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In a message dated 8/18/99 9:33:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes:

<<  hope you enjoy the end result (if I ever
 finish this epic.)
  >>

Irene,

You better finish this epic.   You couldn't be so cruel as to not finish it.
It's bad enough that we have to wait for installments.  <g>

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In a message dated 8/18/99 10:22:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Debby@SWCP.COM
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<< <<
 > My "Carry Tiger to Mountain" was considered "fanboy" and frankly I was a
bit
 > (maybe more than a bit) insulted. I' >>
 >
 >
 >Well, Debby, I don't care what anyone wants to call "Carry Tiger to
 >Mountain."  It is a fantastic story that I should go reread.
 >
 >
 >Ann

 Yes, you should. :)
  >>

Debby,

You will be happy to know that I started re-reading "Carry Tiger to
Mountain"
last night, even though real life has intruded with a vengeance.  (School
has
restarted, and for some strange reason, the principal thinks all of us
teachers should be there. <g>)
 I hope that *your* to read file is large because you are spending
inordinate
amounts of time writing  (Dawning 23, perhaps?) or anything else. :)

Ann

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In a message dated 8/19/99 4:37:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
zimri@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Who was Guy Fawkes anyway? >>

He was some British guy from a couple of hundred years ago who plotted to
overthrow the government ( which king I have no idea) and gets hung in
effigy
on Guy Fawkes Day.  ( I think)

Wendy?  Am I close?

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On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:42:32 EDT "Ann E. McBride" <Aerm1@AOL.COM>
wrote:
> << Who was Guy Fawkes anyway? >>
>
> He was some British guy from a couple of hundred years ago who plotted to
> overthrow the government ( which king I have no idea) and gets hung in
effigy
> on Guy Fawkes Day.  ( I think)
>
> Wendy?  Am I close?

Okay, okay; I was going to stay out of this one, not actually being
British and hating the fifth of November with a vengeance!

Yes, you're right; it was the Gunpowder Plot, in 16-something or
other; Fawkes and his associates tunnelled under the Houses of
Parliament with the intention of blowing it up. But they were
betrayed and caught, and burnt at the stake.

So it's commemmorated via fireworks and burning a 'guy' every year.
One of the reasons I don't like it is the religious associations: not
that it is much remembered these days, but Fawkes was a Catholic, in
a time when Catholicism in England was very much frowned on (come on
real Brits, fill in the background here) and therefore the action was
seen as a Catholic plot and used as yet more reason to subdue
Catholicism and penalise Catholics.

I'm not a Catholic personally, but coming from a country where
sectarianism has caused the sort of trouble it has, I don't
appreciate modern-day 'celebrations' of religious oppression. But
that's just me  :)

Wendy
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On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:44:23 -0600 Erin Klingler <erink@IDA.NET>
wrote:

> I have to side with Kathy (and I'm sure many others) on this:
>[snip]

> Then poor Wendy Richards--as a fellow General Editor with the archive (hi
> Wendy! ;)--had to muddle her way through my last year's big fic "What It
> Means to Love You", finding missing words, left out punctuation, mis-used
> forms of words...I was embarrassed to call myself an editor! <sg>

I have to come in here - yep, I edited WIMTLY, and long it may have
been, but great it definitely was! Erin and Kathy had already done a
great job on it, and all I caught were the type of things which I
know (as an academic writer in RL) are so easy to miss, as Kathy's
already pointed out. When we read what we've written, we see what we
expect to see! And editors can also tell us when a phrase or sentence
is ambiguous.

And by the way, Erin (famous Erin quote: "Wendy, you are *so*
slimy!!) also edited two of my stories recently, and if anyone wants
to see what it involves I would happily show them her lengthy and
very helpful editor's reports on 'Ordinary Man' and 'Perfect Match'!
For me, apart from missed typos and so on, a great editor like Erin
helps me catch where I've used words which would be incomprehensible
to US readers, or where my dialogue is just too British (Hi Kathy...
<g>).

So don't under-estimate 'spelling-and-grammar' editors. Story editors
have their place too (Hi Sheila, Nancy, Yvonne!) in helping writers
to regain confidence in their work, pointing out the bits which work
and those which don't, providing advice on subjects we as writers may
be unfamiliar with, and - as with a story of mine currently going
through the Archive process - encouraging us to FINISH the darn
thing! (So if any of you struggle through my forthcoming 'Strange
Visitor from the Congo' and reach the other end, you've got Yvonne to
thank... or blame... <g>)

Wendy

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Ann, you'll be happy to know that I finished another chapter last
night.  It was a short one though and it needs some polishing.  The
next chapter is most likely going to be much longer so will take more
time.

In case anyone is wondering, I anticipate that this will end with
chapter 10.  I planned a chapter every three years in the twins' life
so they will be 30 when this thing is over.

Irene
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--- "Ann E. McBride" <Aerm1@AOL.COM> wrote:
> In a message dated 8/18/99 9:33:07 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes:
>
> <<  hope you enjoy the end result (if I ever
>  finish this epic.)
>   >>
>
> Irene,
>
> You better finish this epic.   You couldn't be so
> cruel as to not finish it.
> It's bad enough that we have to wait for
> installments.  <g>
>
> Ann
>

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On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:44:01 -0700 "Irene D." <sirenegold@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
>
> In case anyone is wondering, I anticipate that this will end with
> chapter 10.  I planned a chapter every three years in the twins' life
> so they will be 30 when this thing is over.

What? WHAT?? You mean you aren't going to take us all the way up to
Lee's adulthood? What about the Firestorm SEQUEL too? (we all thought
this was the prequel - Broccoli Dancing has to come from somewhere!)

Wendy

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Wendy, Wendy,

Relax!  S&S will end but that doesn't mean I can't write something else
with a different focus about Lee.  And as far as a sequel, with Jimmy
in the future with Lee, I would prefer to start that story fresh, from
a different perspective.  Plus, the whole darn thing is getting very,
very long!  So, this particular prequel/sequel will end, but the story
will keep going and going and ... you get the idea!

Irene

--- Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:44:01 -0700 "Irene D."
> <sirenegold@YAHOO.COM>
> wrote:
> >
> > In case anyone is wondering, I anticipate that
> this will end with
> > chapter 10.  I planned a chapter every three years
> in the twins' life
> > so they will be 30 when this thing is over.
>
>
> What? WHAT?? You mean you aren't going to take us
> all the way up to
> Lee's adulthood? What about the Firestorm SEQUEL
> too? (we all thought
> this was the prequel - Broccoli Dancing has to come
> from somewhere!)
>
> Wendy
>
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Wendy wrote:

>Okay, okay; I was going to stay out of this one, not actually being
>British and hating the fifth of November with a vengeance!
>
>Yes, you're right; it was the Gunpowder Plot, in 16-something or
>other; Fawkes and his associates tunnelled under the Houses of
>Parliament with the intention of blowing it up. But they were
>betrayed and caught, and burnt at the stake.
>
>So it's commemmorated via fireworks and burning a 'guy' every year.
>One of the reasons I don't like it is the religious associations: not
>that it is much remembered these days, but Fawkes was a Catholic, in
>a time when Catholicism in England was very much frowned on (come on
>real Brits, fill in the background here) and therefore the action was
>seen as a Catholic plot and used as yet more reason to subdue
>Catholicism and penalise Catholics.

Absolutely. Pretty neat summary there, Wendy. Personally, I wouldn't grieve
either if Guy Fawkes (or Bonfire) Night died out, but that's generally
because it's the busiest night of the year for my firefighter hubby and the
time he's usually at most risk. Notably from being beaten up by parents in
Bandit Country (as he and his colleagues charmingly call their catchment
area <g>) who take umbrage at them putting out bonfires lit dangerously
close to neighbouring houses and spoiling the kiddies' fun. :P

I've been explaining this one as it happens to a couple of US FoLC friends
recently. One of them wanted to know why we Scots celebrate GFN when it's
about celebrating the failure of someone trying to blow up an English
Parliament, in part. But, as I told her - any excuse for a party. ;) We
Scots ain't fools.

Anyway, these days, I think there are more people who'd have preferred old
Guy and his buddies to have made it, than not. ;)

LabRat :)

"Remember Remember
The Fifth of November
Gunpowder, Treason and Plot!
I see no reason
Why gunpowder and treason
Should Ever Be Forgot!"

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Title:  Starfire and Sunstorm  Chapter 5 - Jonathan
Author:  Irene Dutchak
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Rating: G
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Summary:  A chapter in the continuing prequel/sequel to "Firestorm".

Starfire and Sunstorm - 15 years old
Chapter 5 - Jonathan

"Who want's to go to town with me?"

"I will, Papa."  Twelve year old Marty jumped up and down eagerly.  She
was the only one of Jonathan Kent's grandchildren to show any
enthusiasm at the prospect.

"Okay, Marty.  Go hop in the truck and we'll be off.  Martha, can I
pick anything up for you while we're there?" Jonathan called through
the screen door of the house.

Martha opened the door and walked towards the driveway with him.  "You
could pick up some ice cream for dessert, but other than that, I don't
need anything."  She stuck her head through the window on the passenger
side of the truck, and addressed her excited granddaughter.  "Have a
good time with your Papa, Marty."

"I will, Grandma."

Martha gave Jonathan a quick peck on the cheek and then waved until the
two of them were out of sight.  My, it was so nice to have the children
arrive for their annual two-week visit in the summer.  She didn't know
who got more excited as the time came for the Junior Kents' annual trek
to Kansas, the kids or Jonathan.

It was principally because of the grandchildren that Martha and
Jonathan had delayed making the decision to sell the farm.  Jonathan
had been renting his fields out for a few years now.  The two of them
only did enough light gardening to meet their own needs.  The rent
helped with the finances, but it didn't bring in as much as they needed
to maintain the farm. It would break their hearts to leave, but the
sensible thing to do was to move either into a small apartment in
Smallville or in Metropolis. But oh, it would be hard to move.

***

Jonathan and Marty bumped along the backcountry roads on their way to
Smallville.  Marty always looked around excitedly at the fields and
farms that they passed.  She asked a multitude of questions about the
crops and animals that she could see from the truck.  Jonathan enjoyed
sharing his wealth of experience with such a willing listener.

In due course, they arrived in town at the supply store.  Martha and
Jonathan always delayed putting in their vegetable patch until the kids
arrived for their visit.  It was really almost too late to plant, but
the kids would be so disappointed if they didn't do it together.  And
they would have had better selection ordering their seed from a
catalogue for the garden, but Marty enjoyed picking out the seed with
her Papa so much, well, they just had to wait for the kids to arrive
for their vacation.

Marty always enjoyed roaming the store with her Papa.  She wanted to
know what everything was used for, and what good it would be on a farm.
 As she and Jonathan busied themselves examining some very unusual
blacksmith tools, her ears, courtesy of her very powerful listening
skills, picked up an interesting conversation at the front of the
store.

"Hi Bill," the unknown customer said to the storekeeper.  "Who's that
with Jon Kent?"

"That's Clark's eldest girl."

"Oh, so that's little Marty.  Doesn't look like him or his wife, does
she?"

"No, she looks like her Grandpa, but there's no blood relationship
there as you know."

"Yep, I knew that.  And she doesn't look like any of those weirdos who
... caused so much trouble."

"Shh, don't talk about them out in public.  Every time I think of them,
I remember how much we have to thank Clark for.  I don't want to cause
him trouble by shooting off my mouth in public."

"Point taken.  He is a good man.  I'll shut up now."

Marty heard the door close behind the talkative customer.  What had he
meant?  And who were the weirdos he had been talking about?  She didn't
know whether to ask her Papa about it or not.  At least, both the men
seemed to like her dad.

As they progressed through town on the way to the grocery store for the
ice cream, Marty was conscious of an unusually knowing attitude from
the people that they met on the street.  So many people made a point of
stopping and talking to her Papa and they all asked respectfully after
her father.  She didn't know exactly what it was, but there was an air
about the people that she spoke to, of a secret well kept.  It was very
puzzling.

Eventually Marty and her grandpa were all done their errands.  They
headed home with a varied selection of seeds and of course, with the
ice cream.

***

Somehow or other, it ended up being just Jonathan and Marty who planted
the vegetable garden.  Jon had asked Martha if he could paint her
portrait as a present for his mom and dad.  She was thrilled to be
asked.  Vicky was more interested in playing with the little
six-year-old who had moved to the next farm, and Sam disappeared with
some teenagers from town.

In the end, Jonathan supervised while Marty did all the work.  She ably
spread the compost that had been ripening over the winter and spring,
tilled it in to a good depth, and competently sowed the seeds.

"You know, Papa, I just love to dig into the earth with my fingers.
Did you ever notice that it smells so rich and warm?"

Jonathan looked at Marty in delight.  "That's exactly right, Marty.  He
bent down and gathered his granddaughter into his arms in a warm
embrace.  It was so nice to have a grandchild who shared his interests.

***
Continued in 2nd email.

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Title: Starfire and Sunstorm, Chapter 5 - Jonathan
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Summary: Part of a continuing prequel/sequel to "Firestorm".

Continued from 1st email.

Jonathan and Marty ended up doing any number of solo excursions.  They
attended many stock auctions although Jonathan didn't buy any animals.
He was impressed by Marty's intelligent questions.  And she never asked
the same question twice but seemed to absorb all the information that
he imparted to her and more.  She developed quite the eye for picking
out superior animals.  They had a lot of fun planning what their dream
herd of cows would consist of.  Jonathan had missed doing this.  He
hadn't kept any animals for quite a few years.  Maybe he should invest
in a small flock of chickens for next year.  They weren't too much
work.

Marty noticed the same knowing glances as they travelled around the
local countryside attending the auctions.  They weren't unkind glances.
 To the contrary, they were very friendly and warm.  But there was an
intangible quality to the attention that she attracted wherever she
went.  At the same time, contradictorily, she was made to feel welcome
in a way she had never felt before.  It was all very strange, and she
had no way at her young age to interpret what she sensed from the grown
ups around her.  But, no matter what the cause of the ambiguous
feelings that she sensed, she knew that she liked being in Smallville
better than Metropolis.

***

Jon's portrait of his Grandma Martha was a masterpiece.  He took it
into town to be framed.  The small gallery owner was intimidated when
she was presented with a Jon Kent original to be framed.  Jon's work
was becoming very well known.  His first show at the age of twelve had
been a huge success, and had been totally sold out.  Many of his works
were purchased by museums around the world.  His second show the
previous winter at the age of fourteen had also been sold out.  The
critics too had been unusually kind.  There had been no condescending
remarks about "the artist's immaturity" or about his youth in any way.

The gallery owner managed to frame the small portrait to the young
artist's satisfaction, and the present was brought home and suitably
wrapped in anticipation of his parents' Christmas.  He had already
prepared a portrait of Jonathan as a companion piece.  He had to work
>from a photograph though.  His grandfather was too self-conscious to
pose well, and Jon wasn't experienced enough at working with difficult
models to set his grandfather at ease.

Vicky spent all of her free time playing cops and robbers with the
little boy who lived on the next farm.  They both played hard every
day.  Luckily there was no rain.  It didn't seem to matter how much
time Vicky spent in the sun.  Her complexion remained the same creamy
white that it had been since she was born.  And the sun didn't seem to
lighten her hair at all either.

Sam disappeared a lot, either with boys from town or on his own,
exploring the countryside.  He seemed to want to be alone more this
summer than he ever had before.  Martha and Jonathan kept an eye on
him.  He didn't seem unduly depressed, but they maintained their watch
over him anyway.

***

Jonathan woke up in the middle of the night.  He glanced at the clock
to see it was three in the morning. After tossing and turning for a few
minutes, he conceded defeat and got up.  Martha stirred a bit but
seemed to settle back into a deep sleep as he quietly left the room.
Jonathan felt quite glum as he proceeded down the stairs.  The kids
were leaving tomorrow.  No, it was already morning, wasn't it?  They
were leaving today, in about 7 hours. He was going to miss all of them,
especially Marty.

He padded into the kitchen, hitching his robe tighter around him. After
pouring himself a tall glass of buttermilk, he made his way out the
back door onto the porch.  Martha found him there in his rocking chair,
sipping his drink and surveying the farm.

"Couldn't sleep?"

Jonathan smiled at her, as she pulled her rocker close to his.  He took
her hand in his.

"I was just thinking about how much I'll miss them."

They rocked in silence.

"Jonathan, what's that in the barn?"  Martha leaned forward in her
chair, pointing.

He strained his eyes, and got a tantalising glimpse of a white figure.

"I don't know."  He got up from his chair.  "You should stay here."

Martha snorted.  "When pigs fly!"  She got up, and accompanied him to
the barn.

"Grandma?  Papa?  Is that you?"

"Marty?  What are you doing out here at this time of night?" Martha
studied the solemn face of her eldest granddaughter.  "You gave us a
fright."

"I'm sorry, Grandma.  I couldn't sleep.  I don't want to go home today.
 I mean, I miss Mom and Dad, but I love this place.  I wish I could
stay for the whole summer!"

Jonathan smiled. "What do you love so much about this place?"

Marty paused, thinking hard. "It's hard to put into words, but I'll
try.  I love the ... the openness, and the space.  I feel like I can
breathe here.  And I love looking after the vegetable garden.  It makes
me feel so good when I see the plants growing."  Her words were flowing
faster and faster, almost tumbling over each other in her eagerness.
"And I love going to the stock auctions.  I just wish you had animals
that I could look after.  And when we go to town, I like how the people
treat me.  They're friendly, and they make me feel welcome.  I don't
feel that way in Metropolis at all, even if it is my home."  She
sighed. "I wish we lived on a farm."

Martha watched Jonathan as Marty spoke.  She knew her husband well
enough to see exactly how much Marty's words had touched him. "I know
you do, Marty, but it's still the middle of the night.  Give your Papa
and me a kiss and you scoot off to bed."

Marty hugged them both enthusiastically and then scampered for the
house. At the porch, she turned, saw they were watching her still, and
lightly blew them kisses before she disappeared inside.

Martha turned to Jonathan.  "Jonathan, I've been thinking..." "Martha,
I've been thinking..."

They paused, laughing.

Martha continued, "...that we should change our wills..."

"...and leave the farm to Marty," Jonathan finished.

"But Jonathan, do you think we'll be able to afford it?"

"I don't know, Martha. But one thing I do know, we need to try.  You
know it used to be my dream to have Clark take over the farm one day,
but he's never had the interest.  The boys aren't interested either.
And I don't imagine little Vicky is either.  Why, do you remember Marty
at that age?  We couldn't keep her out of the garden.  Remember when
she pulled out all the squash vines because she thought they were
weeds?  What was she, only two at the time?"

As Martha and Jonathan continued to reminisce, neither one of them
noticed the figure watching them from the dark second story window.

***

Although Martha, Jonathan and especially little Marty didn't want the
sun to rise, inevitably it did.   The three of them didn't have much
appetite for breakfast, but that wasn't a condition that afflicted Jon,
Sam or Vicky.

At six years of age, Vicky had missed her mom and dad the most.  She
couldn't wait to see them again.

Jon was quiet.  He had a lot on his mind.  He knew what he wanted to
do, but now the only thing that remained was to talk everyone into it.

Sam could barely restrain his eagerness.  He missed Astrid so much that
it almost physically hurt him.  It was always like this, but somehow
this year, it was worse.  The only thing that had kept him from flying
back to Metropolis to see her was knowing how mad his mother and father
would have been.  His dad didn't want him flying anywhere by himself as
he was still pretty wobbly in the air.  Not that he would hurt himself
if he fell. Of course he wouldn't. But he might hurt something else,
like a plane or a radio tower.

Jonathan sat at the kitchen table, surveying his grandchildren.  He
sensed that two weeks was about three days too long for little Vicky.
He sensed that two weeks was about fifty weeks too short for little
Marty, and about two weeks too long for Sam. But he could never tell
what Jon was thinking.  Sometimes the child, the young man actually,
was very much an enigma to Jonathan. Martha understood him better.
Jonathan felt however, that Jon had something on his mind that he was
thinking hard about.  He didn't pressure Jon to talk about it however.
Jon kept his own counsel and never talked about anything until he was
ready.  Jonathan sighed.  He used to be such an open child.  But even
though his talent had added a new and wonderful dimension to his life,
he still lacked a basic self-confidence that Sam had in abundance.

Jonathan looked at Sam, and saw that his grandson was almost literally
champing at the bit to get home.  He was almost vibrating; he was so
excited and eager to leave. Astrid again.  Jonathan smiled to himself.
Sam reminded Jonathan of a racehorse in the starting gate.  When did
Sam get so broad and so muscular?  Jonathan looked at Sam with fresh
eyes.  It wasn't as noticeable with Jon as he was much wirier than his
twin was, but Sam was very much physically mature.  Jonathan looked a
little closer.  When had Sam started to shave? Hmmm, he better have a
talk with Clark.

In due course, Clark arrived to ferry his children home.  Vicky was the
first to leave, Marty the next.  The boys were capable of flying home
under their own steam as long as dad was there to supervise.  Jonathan
interrupted the three men's preparations for leaving.

"Clark, son. Your mother and I would like to have a word with you about
something before you leave.  Could you join us inside for a couple of
minutes?"

After suggesting to the boys that they go for a walk, Clark dutifully
followed his father inside the house.

Sam set off into the woods near the farm.  Jon did not. He made himself
comfortable in the hayloft waiting for his cue.

"What's this all about, Dad?" Clark asked in concern. "Is everything
okay?"

Martha was quick to reassure him. "We're fine, but we've made some
plans and we want to know what you think of them."

Clark sat down with a thump. "You're selling the farm, aren't you?"

Martha and Jonathan looked at each other and smiled.  Jonathan moved
over to sit beside his son.

"No, we're not, son.  I think it would just about kill your mother and
I to leave this place.  But it is about the farm that we want to talk
to you.  How would you feel if we left the farm to Marty?"

"To Marty?" Clark exclaimed. "I hadn't really thought about it.  She
does love it here, doesn't she?"

The more Clark thought about it, the more he realised this was an
excellent solution to the nagging question of the farm's future.

"I think it's a brilliant idea, but can you manage?  You haven't been
bringing in as much only renting out the fields."

Martha leaned forward and took his hands. "We'll have to manage, Clark.
 We don't want to leave and we want Marty to have this place some day.
We have no choice."

"Lois and I can help a bit, but I don't think it'll make much
difference.  I wish we could afford more, but we have four children and
neither one of us makes that much."

"You don't have to help, Dad.  I'm going to."  Jonathan, Martha, and
Clark turned to the doorway to see Jon standing there.  He smiled. "I'm
sorry.  Grandma and Papa, I heard you talking last night.  I don't want
you to sell the farm either.  And I think it would be perfect if Marty
took over some day.  Dad, I know you've been putting the money I've
made from my paintings away for me, but I want to use some of it for
this."

"I don't want to take money from my own grandson," Jonathan spluttered
as he stood up. "I'd feel like I was stealing."

"Papa, has Dad ever told you how much some of my paintings have gone
for?"

"Uh, no, he just said a lot of money."

Jon smiled gently at his grandfather. "Papa, my smaller canvases sell
for about one hundred - that's thousand, my larger ones in the
neighbourhood of two hundred and fifty thousand. Of course, my agent
takes a large commission but ... I sold nine large canvases, and ten
small ones at my last show."

"Oh!" Jonathan sat back down heavily.

Jon continued, "And you know I'm not a greedy person.  I don't care
about the latest clothes, or the fanciest sneakers or anything like
that.   The only thing I really want to spend money on is my family.  I
want to set some aside for Sam and Marty and Vicky, for college. And I
want to give some, a lot actually, to charity. If you want, you could
think of this as the share that I'm going to give Marty.  But I'd
rather you just took it as a gift."

Jonathan looked helplessly at Martha and Clark.  They were both equally
speechless.  Martha too had been unaware of the amounts Jon had been
making. Clark had been unaware that Jon had been thinking about what
good he could do with his money.

Jonathan looked back at his grandson.  He stood up, walked over to him
and extended his hand. "What more can I say but, yes."

"It's okay with you and Mom, Dad?" Jon asked hopefully.

Clark walked over to his son and pulled him into a rough embrace.  "Of
course it is.  I'm proud of you, Jon. We'll go home and set up the
arrangements today." He released Jon and moved back. "You go get your
brother now, and we'll head home."

Jon smiled as he left the room.

Clark turned back to his parents. "My boy became a man without me
noticing!  I'm so proud of him."

"Actually, Clark, he's not the only one who's growing up.  I'm a little
concerned about Sam.  He's getting older too.  You know I don't
normally stick my nose into your business -- I leave that to your
mother -- but Sam is physically a man, and Astrid's only twelve and
he's crazy about her ..."

Clark was taken aback by this second shock to his system.  He should
have seen this one coming. "Oh!  You're right.  I better have a talk
with him."

***

Sam and Jon returned to the farmhouse, and put on their plain black
spandex outfits and hoods.  They loaded themselves up with luggage for
the trip back, and after one last hug and kiss for their grandparents,
launched themselves into the air.  Clark paused long enough to embrace
his parents and then he followed in a splash of red, yellow and blue.

Martha and Jonathan watched them go.  They stood on the porch for a
long time, long after the three figures had disappeared into the sky.
Finally Martha squeezed his shoulder gently. "Come on, sweetheart.
Let's go in."

End of part 5.

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I like it, Irene.  I just finished reading it and it's a logical next step
in the story.  Just one question:  how *many* people know Clark is
Superman?

Nan
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Yes, I liked this one, Irene! It was so nice to learn a bit more
about Marty, and also see how Jon's 'sideline' was progressing. Very
sweet, WAFFy, and cute; and entirely what I'd expect from Clark's
children!

(Oh, just remembered that Part 6 is GREAT... when can I see it again?
<g>)

Wendy
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In a message dated 8/16/99 8:23:14 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Zoomway@aol.com
writes:

<<
 One last word on Lois and Clark. It was the only show in the fifty year
 history of ABC that consistently won its time slot on Sunday night. No show
 prior to Lois and Clark and certainly none since, has ever don that.

 Zoomway@aol.com
  >>

Zoom, thank you so much once again.  It's nice to hear this explanation when
all I ever read, especially in the notorious Daniels book, (which I still
like - the shield near the end says it all) that Lois and Clark crashed and
burned due to poor ratings after the marriage.

In a message dated 8/17/99 3:25:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET
writes:

<< Apparently that's the story all right.  Typical of the more recent
 Disney.  Walt would be spinning in his grave if he knew the shenanigans
 the new bosses are pulling with his company.  And, personally, I don't
 think their recent productions have been all that good, anyway.  They
 took Pocahontas and turned it into some sort of unrecognizable piece
 of...well, I won't say what I think of it, but the only thing I liked
 about it was the music, and not all of that.

 Nan >>

Poor Walt's been spinning since shortly after he died. I remember thinking
then that Disney wasn't the Disney that Walt founded anymore.  The company's
focus went from providing good, supposedly children's entertainment, which
could be enjoyed by people of all ages to making gobs of money.

Charlotte who has a long memory.
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This is to thank all of you for your kind comments and feedback.  I have had
two excellent suggestions so far.  These will be in the version I send to
the
archive.

One was to correct the slight confusion as to timing of the episode, so I am
putting in a few lines more right at the beginning.  The story must take
place after the end of the premier to make sense.

Thanks to Wendy for that suggestion.  Heck, the timing even confused me.

The second was from a theatre grad student, Drew, who was visiting my son
Benjamin.  A fan of the show when it first aired, he was turned off when ABC
messed around with the time slots.  (You were right again Zoom as to what
killed  the show. ABC's hands are bloodied)

He suggested that Lois include a retraction over the sidebar attributing it
properly to Clark.  It's not exactly Lois's way to publicly admit an error,
so I wrote the extra lines in the section below which seemed to please Drew:

She went to her desk and quickly wrote up the in-depth story she'd promised
Perry that morning.

"Clark, come over here and check my copy."

"Looks okay," he told her after scanning the text, but "why did you put
include this line about the sidebar in today's article being actually
authored by me?"

"Clark, do you really believe that I want people to think I wrote that part?
I'm Lois Lane, investigative reporter.  You stick to the 'touchy-feely'
stuff,
you're good at it.  I'll write the serious, factual articles."

"Oh, okay," he said, knowing her well enough to understand that was as close
to a retraction as he was going to get.  Then he saw the byline and did a
double take ...

etc.

Thanks, Drew.

Charlotte

Now I am going to submit it to the archive.  Wish me luck.

Thanks again everyone.

Charlotte
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--- Charlotte Fisler <Cdfisler@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> Zoom, thank you so much once again.  It's nice to
> hear this explanation when
> all I ever read, especially in the notorious Daniels
> book, (which I still
> like - the shield near the end says it all) that
> Lois and Clark crashed and
> burned due to poor ratings after the marriage.

What book is this?  I've never heard of it.

Irene

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Thanks, Nan.

In answer to your question, there are those who know for sure, and
those who think they know, if you know what I mean. (g)

Irene

--- Nancy Smith <deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> I like it, Irene.  I just finished reading it and
> it's a logical next step
> in the story.  Just one question:  how *many* people
> know Clark is
> Superman?
>
> Nan
>

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Irene, that was great, and I've finally clued in to your title ---
Starfire & Sunstorm are Sam & Jon, right?  Or at least will be... but
you can't leave it there, I want *more*... <g>  You dropped lots of
intriguing little clues & hints.

Someone said something about being predisposed to like this story since
she tends to like next-gen stories in general ... well, just so you
know, I tend *not* to like next-gen stories, but this one has definitely
got me hooked.

a
n
d
n
o
w
s
p
o
i
l
e
r
s
p
a
c
e

So everyone in Smallville knows that CK=S? <g>  Makes sense, though I'd
worry that eventually the secret would spread...

And I can see Sam's going to have a rough time with his hormones,
waiting for Astrid to grow up.  As for predestination ... well, he's in
love with her, but that doesn't necessarily mean she'll reciprocate,
does it?  Or at least, not right away...

Hurry up and write more, darn it! <g>
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Wendy cruelly wrote:
> (Oh, just remembered that Part 6 is GREAT... when can I see it again?
> <g>)

Wendy, you are the most exasperating person I know <g>  Okay, folcs, who
wants to march on Wendy's house and steal all her advance copies of
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Thanks, Wendy.

This one was very fun to write.

And regarding part 6, don't be greedy (g), I've released two chapters
this week alone and you know SVR is keeping me busy!

Irene

--- Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
> Yes, I liked this one, Irene! It was so nice to
> learn a bit more
> about Marty, and also see how Jon's 'sideline' was
> progressing. Very
> sweet, WAFFy, and cute; and entirely what I'd expect
> from Clark's
> children!
>
> (Oh, just remembered that Part 6 is GREAT... when
> can I see it again?
> <g>)
>
> Wendy
> ----------------------
> Wendy Richards
> w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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--- Pam Jernigan <jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET> wrote:
> Irene, that was great, and I've finally clued in to
> your title ---
> Starfire & Sunstorm are Sam & Jon, right?  Or at
> least will be... but
> you can't leave it there, I want *more*... <g>  You
> dropped lots of
> intriguing little clues & hints.

Yes, Sam and Jon will be Starfire and Sunstorm.  You can figure out
which one is which if you know a little Latin (eg).  And relax, I don't
plan on leaving the story here.
>
> Someone said something about being predisposed to
> like this story since
> she tends to like next-gen stories in general ...
> well, just so you
> know, I tend *not* to like next-gen stories, but
> this one has definitely
> got me hooked.

Now that's a compliment which I appreciate very much!
>
> a
> n
> d
> n
> o
> w
> s
> p
> o
> i
> l
> e
> r
> s
> p
> a
> c
> e
>
> So everyone in Smallville knows that CK=S? <g>
> Makes sense, though I'd
> worry that eventually the secret would spread...

I wouldn't say they know for sure but they would have to be pretty
stupid not to at least suspect.
>
> And I can see Sam's going to have a rough time with
> his hormones,
> waiting for Astrid to grow up.  As for
> predestination ... well, he's in
> love with her, but that doesn't necessarily mean
> she'll reciprocate,
> does it?  Or at least, not right away...

That whole issue is covered in Chapter 6 - Astrid.
>
> Hurry up and write more, darn it! <g>
> --

Yes, ma'am!!

Hurrying up, and writing more, even as we speak! <g>

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I was a teenager when Walt died and living in the Panama Canal Zone with my
family, courtesy of the U.S.Navy.  I didn't notice for some years after
getting
back to the States that Disney had gone downhill--something about being a
college student with very little extra money to go to movies.  After I
married
and had kids, however, I started noticing childrens' movies again.  The
Disney
tapes that I have at home are almost exclusively the old ones, produced
before
Disney's death, which tells you something about my opinion of the  ones
produced
later.  Disney would be appalled by what has happened to the company he so
carefully put together.  Heck, *I'm* appalled.

Nan

Charlotte Fisler wrote:

> In a message dated 8/16/99 8:23:14 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Zoomway@aol.com
> writes:
>
> <<
>  One last word on Lois and Clark. It was the only show in the fifty year
>  history of ABC that consistently won its time slot on Sunday night. No
show
>  prior to Lois and Clark and certainly none since, has ever don that.
>
>  Zoomway@aol.com
>   >>
>
> Zoom, thank you so much once again.  It's nice to hear this explanation
when
> all I ever read, especially in the notorious Daniels book, (which I still
> like - the shield near the end says it all) that Lois and Clark crashed
and
> burned due to poor ratings after the marriage.
>
> In a message dated 8/17/99 3:25:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET
> writes:
>
> << Apparently that's the story all right.  Typical of the more recent
>  Disney.  Walt would be spinning in his grave if he knew the shenanigans
>  the new bosses are pulling with his company.  And, personally, I don't
>  think their recent productions have been all that good, anyway.  They
>  took Pocahontas and turned it into some sort of unrecognizable piece
>  of...well, I won't say what I think of it, but the only thing I liked
>  about it was the music, and not all of that.
>
>  Nan >>
>
> Poor Walt's been spinning since shortly after he died. I remember thinking
> then that Disney wasn't the Disney that Walt founded anymore.  The
company's
> focus went from providing good, supposedly children's entertainment, which
> could be enjoyed by people of all ages to making gobs of money.
>
> Charlotte who has a long memory.
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On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:37:49 -0400 Pam Jernigan
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> Wendy cruelly wrote:
> > (Oh, just remembered that Part 6 is GREAT... when can I see it again?
> > <g>)
>
> Wendy, you are the most exasperating person I know <g>  Okay, folcs, who
> wants to march on Wendy's house and steal all her advance copies of
> things? <g>

LOL Pam!!

Now, FOLCs, this is the person who got an advance copy of both BBDF
II *and* BBDF III... though to be fair, Pam didn't drop not-so-subtle
hints like I've done. I swear, I'm only doing it so Irene will stop
prevaricacting and POST!!

Wendy

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Okay, Wendy,  This is called giving in gracefully. This post is for
you.

Irene

Title: Starfire and Sunstorm  Chapter 6 - Astrid
Author:  Irene Dutchak
Parts: 1
Rating: PG
Feedback:  All is welcome, both public and private.
Summary:  Continuing sequel/prequel to "Firestorm"

Starfire and Sunstorm - 18 years old
Chapter Six - Astrid

"Hey, Dad."  Astrid walked sedately into the living room and sat down
beside her father on the couch. "Marty just called. Uncle Clark and
Aunt Lois are taking everyone to the beach tomorrow, and they said she
could ask me to go too.  Could I, please?"

Dr. Klein lowered his newspaper. "Sure, honey, you can go. We just need
to check to make sure we have sunscreen left over from last summer.
What time will they pick you up?"

"Around ten, Marty said.  And I already checked. We have lots of
sunscreen left."

Dr. Klein set down his newspaper and pulled out his wallet.  "Here's
twenty dollars. That should be enough for your lunch, and you can buy
everyone an ice cream with what's left."

"Thanks, Dad." Astrid threw her arms around her dad's neck, and gave
him a big hug.

"You're welcome, sweetie. Now then, you and I should start thinking
about what we're going to make for supper."  The two of them got up,
and headed for the kitchen.

***

The next day dawned, hot and sunny.  It took Astrid a while to get
ready.  She did her nails, finger and toe. She fussed over her hair,
trying different hairstyles until she realised that none of them would
last if she got them wet. Finally, she settled for taming her auburn
hair in a long braid that hung down her back.  She got into her bathing
suit, a rather daring bikini, and  liberally greased herself all over
with sunscreen.  She looked at herself in the mirror, and then in a fit
of shyness, put shorts and a T-shirt over top. The doorbell rang just
as she put her hat on.

Astrid grabbed her towel and ran to the door. "Hi, Marty! Hi, Uncle
Clark! Bye, Dad!" She and Marty ran past the two men to the car.

Dr. Klein looked at Clark, who looked back at Dr. Klein. They
simultaneously started to laugh.

"For a second, Clark, they looked like kids again instead of grown up
fifteen year olds."

Clark grinned. "Don't worry. We'll take good care of her, Bernie."

"I know you will, Clark.  Have a nice time."

"We will."

Dr. Klein closed the door behind his friend, smiling. He loved the way
Clark always needed to reassure him that Astrid would be safe -- just
like a regular guy would!

Hmm, a day to himself. Maybe he would go into the lab for a while.
There were a couple of things he wanted to check into on his own time.

***

Astrid and Marty dropped their towels on the sand. They quickly shed
their T-shirts and shorts, and ran shrieking into the water. They were
both good swimmers, although Marty was much better, of course.

Jon and Sam ran at the edge of the water, throwing a Frisbee back and
forth. Astrid watched Sam surreptitiously. She glowered when she
realised that he and Jon were both getting lots of attention from the
young, and not so young women on the beach.  Even Uncle Clark was
getting his fair share of attention.

Twelve year old Vicky and Aunt Lois worked on a sandcastle.  Vicky
happily trotted back and forth getting buckets of wet sand.

Uncle Clark laid claim to a small patch of sand, and set up lawn chairs
and towels.  He made a few trips between the beach and the van,
carrying the cooler, the beach umbrella and all the other paraphernalia
that they seemed to travel with.

As she and Marty played in the water, Astrid watched as her friend's
father disappeared, first with Jon, then with Vicky and finally with
Sam.  They must be going to practice their powers, she thought to
herself.  Astrid was fully aware that Uncle Clark was really Superman.
She had known for a long time.  Marty had spilled the beans about a
week after she had found out. In the ensuing fuss, Astrid didn't have
the heart to tell Uncle Clark and Aunt Lois, or her dad that Sam had
told her 'accidentally' on purpose a few days earlier!

Knowing about Uncle Clark hadn't really been a big deal until she and
Marty got into high school last year.  Now that had been embarrassing!
The girls in grade nine all thought Superman was "dreamy".  It seemed
like everywhere they went, they would see posters of him in lockers, or
pictures of him taped to girls' binders. Both she and Marty had been
hugely uncomfortable with the whole situation. I mean, after all, it
was just Uncle Clark that the other girls had been drooling over.  It
had been really hard for the two of them not to say anything, but it
was just too dangerous to even hint at anything.  Astrid would never do
anything to hurt Uncle Clark and Aunt Lois, their family or any of
their friends.

Eventually the girls tired of swimming, and emerged from the water.
They grabbed cold drinks from the cooler, and flopped on their towels.
Astrid looked around.  Aunt Lois sat in a lawn chair reading. Jon
played with Vicky, who was still building her sandcastle. Sam and Uncle
Clark weren't back yet.  Astrid lay back, and closed her eyes. She was
a little worn out, and the sun felt nice as it dried her off.

"Hey, Astrid."

She woke up with a start.

"Oh, hi, Sam." She blushed. "Where's Marty?"

"She and Dad have gone to practice.  I thought I would keep you company
for a while."  Sam sat on Marty's towel, leaning forward slightly, with
his hands linked around his knees.  Astrid scrambled up from her prone
position in the sand, to sit beside him.  She glanced quickly at him.
He had changed dramatically over the winter. His shoulders had
broadened, making his waist look slimmer.  He wasn't as well muscled as
his father, but he was close to it. He shifted position slightly, and
Astrid could see the muscles in his back ripple as he moved. Astrid
swallowed and looked away.  Her eyes drifted back to him, almost
against her will. He sometimes seemed like a stranger to her now.  He
had been her best friend ever since she could remember, even closer
than Marty was, and for the first time in her life, Astrid didn't know
what to say to him. And when she was around him, she felt things she
had never felt before. She knew he liked her, he always treated her
like a pal, but for the first time in her life, that wasn't enough.
What was he thinking?  Did he notice how she looked?  Was he interested
in what she had to say?  She focused intently on the water. Not knowing
what was running through his head was hard, but what bothered her the
most, was that he seemed to act the same as always around her.  Didn't
he know that things had changed? How could she get him to notice that
she was all grown up?

"Whoa, Astrid! Your back is really starting to burn. Pass me the
sunscreen and I'll grease you up."

She flinched away from him. "No... It's okay, Sam.  I think ...I'll put
on my T-shirt now."  Astrid could feel her cheeks flush with a rush of
heat. He looked at her quizzically but didn't say anything.

They sat quietly for a time. Finally Sam broke the silence.

"Hey, do you want to go for a walk?"

"Sure, Sam."

Walking was good.  Walking wasn't talking about nothing, or sitting
together feeling uncomfortable. Walking wasn't wondering what he was
thinking, or whether he liked being with her.

Sam sprang to his feet, and extended his hand to Astrid. She hesitantly
took it, and Sam effortlessly pulled her to her feet. She felt a thrill
run through her body at his action.

"Hey, Mom.  We're going for a walk, okay?"

Aunt Lois looked up from her reading. "Sure, guys. Just be back in an
hour for lunch."

"Okay, Mom." "Okay, Aunt Lois."

The two of them sauntered down the beach.  They stopped occasionally to
pick up interesting shells, or bits of polished glass. But even the
simple act of walking with Sam had become a source of irritation for
Astrid.  He was so much taller than she was.  He was almost six feet,
like his dad and she barely topped five feet.  And he probably
outmassed her by at least one hundred pounds, although he was by no
means heavy.  No wonder he treated her like a child. Astrid sulked
silently as they walked.

They clambered over a series of sand dunes getting farther and farther
away from the ocean.  There was no one else around.  Astrid paused at
the top of one of the dunes.  "It's so nice to look around from up
here.  You can see so much." She glanced shyly at Sam.  "Is it like
that when you're flying with your dad?"

"Better!"  Sam turned to her. "Hey, I have an idea. Let's go, right
now."

Astrid was puzzled. "Go where?"

"Let's go flying. I've been practicing.  I should be able to take a
passenger."

"Are you sure?  I thought your dad doesn't want you flying without
him."

"Don't worry. We'll be fine. Piece of cake!"  Sam scooped her into his
arms, and launched himself into the air.

Astrid squealed and clung tightly to him. She was ashamed of herself.
He hadn't scared her, but she had been quick to take advantage of his
closeness.

"Hey, trust me. I won't let you drop."

She took a deep breath and forced herself to relax her grip a bit. "I
know you won't, but you moved so fast... You startled me."

"Oh, sorry." Sam grinned apologetically at her. Astrid melted inside
and grinned back, and then turned to look at the world pass by below.
She gasped in wonder.  "Oh, Sam.  It's beautiful. This is great!"

They flew in silence, admiring the landscape passing by below them. As
they progressed in their journey, Astrid became more and more sensitive
to Sam's physical presence.  Slowly, bit by bit, she became
progressively more uncomfortable.  Could he feel what she was feeling?
Did he know what she thought about him?  At the same time, his arms
felt so ... right around her.

"I think we should go back now," she heard herself say in a breathless
voice.

"Okay," Sam agreed, cheerfully.

Perversely, now that their flight was almost over, Astrid didn't want
it to end. For a moment or two, earlier in the flight, she had been
completely comfortable being with him.  That was getting rarer and
rarer all the time.

Sam swooped down for a landing. He gently set Astrid on her feet. Her
arms remained linked around his neck.  She started to lean in to him,
her face upturned to his.

"Uh, Astrid?  You have to let go now.  We're on the ground."

Astrid was mortified by her slip. Suddenly she got angry.  Why couldn't
he feel the same way that she did?  What did she have to do to clue him
in to her feelings?  When would he see that she wasn't a child anymore?
She stepped away from him quickly, pushing him violently back from her.

"Hey!" Sam exclaimed. "What did I do?"

"Nothing!" she retorted, indignantly.  "You did absolutely nothing!"
She turned on her heel, and stomped back towards the beach.
Unfortunately for Astrid's dignity, it was difficult, well nigh
impossible to stomp in sand.  Astrid's foot slipped, her legs flew up,
and she landed on her rear end in the sand. It was too much.  She could
feel her cheeks flush with embarrassment. She buried her face in her
hands, not wanting Sam to see her face aflame.

"Hey?  Are you okay?" Sam knelt down beside her.

"What do you care?" she spat out, still angry.

"What do you mean?  You've been my best friend ever since I can
remember.  Of course I care about you!" Sam responded, in an injured
tone of voice.

"Best friend," she blurted out. "Is that all I am to you? A buddy? A
pal?  Someone to kick a ball with?" She swiveled away from him, still
sitting on the sand.

The world spun crazily about her, as she was lifted to her feet and
forcibly turned to face Sam once again.

"No, that's not all you are!" he exclaimed, almost angrily.

And without really knowing how she got there, Astrid found herself
clasped tightly in Sam's arms as he plastered her with frantic kisses.
Astrid was almost scared at the intensity of her own emotions as she
clumsily kissed him back.

As if in a dream, she heard herself moan deep in the back of her
throat. And then, as quickly as he had taken her into his embrace, he
pushed her away and took a step back.

"No! I can't!" And he spun on his heel, turning his back to her.

Astrid looked at his back in shock.  Two big tears fell, slowly rolling
down her cheeks.  She raised her hand as if imploring him to turn back
to her, and then let it drop once again.  She wasn't going to plead
with him.  He had rejected her.  That had to be that.  Her knees
threatened to give out.  She shakily sat back on the sand.  She had
spent so much time wondering about Sam's feelings.  At least, now she
knew.  Her tears began in earnest, streaming down her face, as she
tried to hold them back in vain.

Sam turned back at the sound of her muffled sobs.  "I'm sorry.  I'm so
sorry.  Astrid, please, don't cry."  He knelt beside her and wrapped
his arms gently about her.

She held herself rigid in his arms, not wanting to give him any excuse
to reject her again.

"Astrid, I'm sorry," he repeated.  He kissed her tenderly on the
forehead.  "I...I lost control. I'm sorry I scared you."

She looked up at him, her eyelashes sparkling with her tears. "You
didn't scare me."  She glanced down, hiding her face.  "I'm sorry too.
I'm sorry that I pushed you to act like you felt something more for me.
 I won't bother you that way again," she said, softly.

Sam tipped her face up to meet his gaze.  "I do feel something more for
you.  Astrid, sweetheart, don't you know?  I'm crazy in love with you."
 He gently brushed the tears from her cheeks.

"You are?  Then why...?" Astrid regarded him, forlornly.

"Why did I push you away?" he asked, shamefaced.

Astrid nodded.

"Because you're fifteen, I'm eighteen, and it wouldn't be right for us
to ... for ..."  He blushed and glanced away.

"Oh."  Astrid blushed also.  She hadn't thought about that. She wasn't
ready to ... She wasn't old enough for ....

"Um... yes...you're right, Sam," Astrid said, shyly. "Is that why
you've been ignoring me since I don't know when?"

He nodded. "Yeah, uh, my mom had a talk with me a few years ago, and
warned me that I better not, uh, push you into anything.  She said I
needed to wait for you."

"Your mom?"  Astrid was aghast.  Aunt Lois?  She pushed that topic
aside to focus on what was really important. "So what do we do now?
Because I'll tell you one thing, I'll kill you if you start ignoring me
again!"

Sam grinned as he pushed himself to his feet, and helped her up. "How
about we go on dates?  You know, to the movies, or bowling, regular
stuff like that."

She smiled. "Sounds good." Gaining confidence, she continued more
firmly, "But I know one thing.  I love you and you love me.  We're
meant to be with each other.  So what do you think we should do about
it while we wait for me to get older?"

Sam grinned at her.  "You think we should set up some ground rules, do
you?"

"Don't you?" Astrid retorted.

"Yeah, you're probably right," Sam replied. "We'll have to be careful
not to um, get carried away. But I want you to know;  the minute you
turn eighteen, we're getting married."

She laughed. "I think you're supposed to ask me first."

He turned to face her.  Suddenly serious, he held her by the shoulders,
and looked deep into her eyes. "No, I'm not going to ask. I'm telling
you, you are going to marry me.  I couldn't bear it if you and someone
else ..."

She reached up, and cupped his cheek tenderly. "I couldn't bear it
either.  I love you, Sam.  You're mine and I'm yours, now and forever."

"Now and forever," he echoed, as he slowly lowered his mouth to hers in
a gentle kiss.

End of Chapter 6

To be continued in Chapter 7 - Starfire

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>"Hi Bill," the unknown customer said to the storekeeper.  "Who's that
>with Jon Kent?"
>
>"That's Clark's eldest girl."
>
>"Oh, so that's little Marty.  Doesn't look like him or his wife, does
>she?"
>
>"No, she looks like her Grandpa, but there's no blood relationship
>there as you know."
>
>"Yep, I knew that.  And she doesn't look like any of those weirdos who
>... caused so much trouble."
>
>"Shh, don't talk about them out in public.  Every time I think of them,
>I remember how much we have to thank Clark for.  I don't want to cause
>him trouble by shooting off my mouth in public."
>
>"Point taken.  He is a good man.  I'll shut up now."
>
>Marty heard the door close behind the talkative customer.  What had he
>meant?  And who were the weirdos he had been talking about?  She didn't
>know whether to ask her Papa about it or not.  At least, both the men
>seemed to like her dad.
>
>As they progressed through town on the way to the grocery store for the
>ice cream, Marty was conscious of an unusually knowing attitude from
>the people that they met on the street.  So many people made a point of
>stopping and talking to her Papa and they all asked respectfully after
>her father.  She didn't know exactly what it was, but there was an air
>about the people that she spoke to, of a secret well kept.  It was very
>puzzling.

Oh, Irene, Thank You!!!  I've been loving this story (even tho' I'm one of
those lurking types who almost never posts anything about how much I love
all these great stories we've been getting - mostly because my post would
be along the lines of 'loved your story! write another!!' with no positive
feedback or critiques...:>) Anyway, months ago - not too long after I
joined the List - I suggested the possibility of a story where everyone in
Smallville has known about Clark for a LONG time and while being supportive
to him, never let on to him or the Kents that everyone was actually in on
the Secret.  I hadn't worked up the courage to try my hand at writing
myself (and probably won't in the near future...), but was hoping that one
of you creative FoLC would take my thought and turn it into a story.  No
one responded, and I forgot about it (easy to do when one is kept so busy
trying to keep up with all these terrific stories from all you wonderful
writers!).  Very likely, Irene, this story line was thought up by you quite
independent of my little suggestion - but I DON'T CARE!!  I was so excited
to read the above dialogue that I almost feel out of my chair!!  I can't
wait to see where you go with this - I actually kinda hope that Clark finds
out at some point that all Smallville knows about him and his brood (I'd
love to read his reaction to this earth-shattering - to him - revelation).
But it's your story and I'm loving it and will continue to enjoy it
wherever it goes. Especially if it goes there VERY SOON.  Please don't keep
us waiting too long. And thanks again!
Terry
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Hey, I said it was great, didn't I? I loved reading it again, Irene.

Hope all the rest of you Irene fans are glad I nagged her into
posting it? ;)

Wendy

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Wendy and Irene, you guys are driving me CRAZY!! WHAT is SVR??? (apologizes
for yelling!! LOL) If I already know what SVR is (or am not supposed to
know, or it's none of my business...), please forgive my current
braindeadedness.

Vicki (wishing she could spend all day reading fanfic and often does!)
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                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Irene D. [mailto:sirenegold@YAHOO.COM]
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                Thanks, Wendy.

                This one was very fun to write.

                And regarding part 6, don't be greedy (g), I've released two
chapters
                this week alone and you know SVR is keeping me busy!

                Irene

                --- Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
                > Yes, I liked this one, Irene! It was so nice to
                > learn a bit more
                > about Marty, and also see how Jon's 'sideline' was
                > progressing. Very
                > sweet, WAFFy, and cute; and entirely what I'd expect
                > from Clark's
                > children!
                >
                > (Oh, just remembered that Part 6 is GREAT... when
                > can I see it again?
                > <g>)
                >
                > Wendy
                > ----------------------
                > Wendy Richards
                > w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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<P>Wendy and Irene, you guys are driving me CRAZY!! WHAT is SVR??? =
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supposed to know, or it's none of my business...), please forgive my =
current braindeadedness. </P>

<P>Vicki (wishing she could spend all day reading fanfic and often =
does!)
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<P>Thanks, Wendy.
</P>

<P>This one was very fun to write.
</P>

<P>And regarding part 6, don't be greedy (g), I've released two =
chapters
<BR>this week alone and you know SVR is keeping me busy!
</P>

<P>Irene
</P>

<P>--- Wendy Richards &lt;ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK&gt; wrote:
<BR>&gt; Yes, I liked this one, Irene! It was so nice to
<BR>&gt; learn a bit more
<BR>&gt; about Marty, and also see how Jon's 'sideline' was
<BR>&gt; progressing. Very
<BR>&gt; sweet, WAFFy, and cute; and entirely what I'd expect
<BR>&gt; from Clark's
<BR>&gt; children!
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt; (Oh, just remembered that Part 6 is GREAT... when
<BR>&gt; can I see it again?
<BR>&gt; &lt;g&gt;)
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt; Wendy
<BR>&gt; ----------------------
<BR>&gt; Wendy Richards
<BR>&gt; w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
<BR>&gt;
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I don't know, Wendy. What do you think?  Should we tell her, or should
we keep her in suspense?  (vbeg)

Irene

--- Vicki Krell <Vicki.Krell@ASU.EDU> wrote:
> Wendy and Irene, you guys are driving me CRAZY!!
> WHAT is SVR??? (apologizes
> for yelling!! LOL) If I already know what SVR is (or
> am not supposed to
> know, or it's none of my business...), please
> forgive my current
> braindeadedness.
>
> Vicki (wishing she could spend all day reading
> fanfic and often does!)
> Vicki.Krell@asu.edu <mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu>
>
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From:   Irene D.
> [mailto:sirenegold@YAHOO.COM]
>                 Sent:   Thursday, August 19, 1999
> 7:42 AM
>                 To:
> LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>                 Subject:        Re: NEW: S&S #5 2 of
> 2
>
>                 Thanks, Wendy.
>
>                 This one was very fun to write.
>
>                 And regarding part 6, don't be
> greedy (g), I've released two
> chapters
>                 this week alone and you know SVR is
> keeping me busy!
>
>                 Irene
>
>                 --- Wendy Richards
> <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
>                 > Yes, I liked this one, Irene! It
> was so nice to
>                 > learn a bit more
>                 > about Marty, and also see how
> Jon's 'sideline' was
>                 > progressing. Very
>                 > sweet, WAFFy, and cute; and
> entirely what I'd expect
>                 > from Clark's
>                 > children!
>                 >
>                 > (Oh, just remembered that Part 6
> is GREAT... when
>                 > can I see it again?
>                 > <g>)
>                 >
>                 > Wendy
>                 > ----------------------
>                 > Wendy Richards
>                 > w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
>                 >
>
>
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--- "Terry S. Horowit" <horowit@UMIACS.UMD.EDU> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> S   A
> >> P   L
> >> O   E
> >> I   R
> >> L   T
> >> E
> >> R
> >>
> >>
>
> >"Hi Bill," the unknown customer said to the
> storekeeper.  "Who's that
> >with Jon Kent?"
> >
> >"That's Clark's eldest girl."
> >
> >"Oh, so that's little Marty.  Doesn't look like him
> or his wife, does
> >she?"
> >
> >"No, she looks like her Grandpa, but there's no
> blood relationship
> >there as you know."
> >
> >"Yep, I knew that.  And she doesn't look like any
> of those weirdos who
> >... caused so much trouble."
> >
> >"Shh, don't talk about them out in public.  Every
> time I think of them,
> >I remember how much we have to thank Clark for.  I
> don't want to cause
> >him trouble by shooting off my mouth in public."
> >
> >"Point taken.  He is a good man.  I'll shut up
> now."
> >
> >Marty heard the door close behind the talkative
> customer.  What had he
> >meant?  And who were the weirdos he had been
> talking about?  She didn't
> >know whether to ask her Papa about it or not.  At
> least, both the men
> >seemed to like her dad.
> >
> >As they progressed through town on the way to the
> grocery store for the
> >ice cream, Marty was conscious of an unusually
> knowing attitude from
> >the people that they met on the street.  So many
> people made a point of
> >stopping and talking to her Papa and they all asked
> respectfully after
> >her father.  She didn't know exactly what it was,
> but there was an air
> >about the people that she spoke to, of a secret
> well kept.  It was very
> >puzzling.
>
> Oh, Irene, Thank You!!!  I've been loving this story
> (even tho' I'm one of
> those lurking types who almost never posts anything
> about how much I love
> all these great stories we've been getting - mostly
> because my post would
> be along the lines of 'loved your story! write
> another!!' with no positive
> feedback or critiques...:>) Anyway, months ago - not
> too long after I
> joined the List - I suggested the possibility of a
> story where everyone in
> Smallville has known about Clark for a LONG time and
> while being supportive
> to him, never let on to him or the Kents that
> everyone was actually in on
> the Secret.  I hadn't worked up the courage to try
> my hand at writing
> myself (and probably won't in the near future...),
> but was hoping that one
> of you creative FoLC would take my thought and turn
> it into a story.  No
> one responded, and I forgot about it (easy to do
> when one is kept so busy
> trying to keep up with all these terrific stories
> from all you wonderful
> writers!).  Very likely, Irene, this story line was
> thought up by you quite
> independent of my little suggestion - but I DON'T
> CARE!!  I was so excited
> to read the above dialogue that I almost feel out of
> my chair!!  I can't
> wait to see where you go with this - I actually
> kinda hope that Clark finds
> out at some point that all Smallville knows about
> him and his brood (I'd
> love to read his reaction to this earth-shattering -
> to him - revelation).
> But it's your story and I'm loving it and will
> continue to enjoy it
> wherever it goes. Especially if it goes there VERY
> SOON.  Please don't keep
> us waiting too long. And thanks again!
> Terry

Hi Terry,

I'm glad that you're enjoying the story.  I hope you enjoy how I handle
the "Smallville issue" although I don't promise that it will happen
soon.  That might be part of chapter 8 - Rainstorm, or it might be
reserved for a future story.

I honestly don't know if I thought this up myself or not.  I've read
every post to this list since I joined in October? November? of last
year, so it's possible that I picked up on your idea or not.

Take care,
Irene

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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:43:11 -0400
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From:         Donna Burton <BURTOND@CONAN.UNION.EDU>
Subject:      OT: Guy from Guy Fawkes

Again, the librarian in me can't resist responding to the question,
"Who was Guy Fawkes anyway?". Indirectly I'll respond by giving you
a nice URL for a web site that gives you more than you'd ever want to
know about Guy Fawkes. URL is:
http://www.innotts.co.uk/~asperges/fawkes/fawkes3.html  and basically
revolves around his participation in an insurrection in Britain in
the 1600s.

Donna in Schenectady
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> Wendy and Irene, you guys are driving me CRAZY!! WHAT is SVR???
(apologizes
> for yelling!! LOL) If I already know what SVR is (or am not supposed to
> know, or it's none of my business...),

Sorry, Vicki! Just Irene and I dragging our off-list lives into
discussion again.... Okay, 'fess-up time.  SVR is the abbreviated
working title of the fic we're co-authoring, and which just might get
finished sometime in this millenium, right, Irene? If we can figure
out where to stop... <g>

Wendy
----------------------
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HEY! (LMAO)

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Irene D. [mailto:sirenegold@YAHOO.COM]
                Sent:   Thursday, August 19, 1999 8:36 AM
                To:     LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
                Subject:        Re: NEW: S&S #5 2 of 2

                I don't know, Wendy. What do you think?  Should we tell her,
or should
                we keep her in suspense?  (vbeg)

                Irene

                --- Vicki Krell <Vicki.Krell@ASU.EDU> wrote:
                > Wendy and Irene, you guys are driving me CRAZY!!
                > WHAT is SVR??? (apologizes
                > for yelling!! LOL) If I already know what SVR is (or
                > am not supposed to
                > know, or it's none of my business...), please
                > forgive my current
                > braindeadedness.
                >
                > Vicki (wishing she could spend all day reading
                > fanfic and often does!)
                > Vicki.Krell@asu.edu <mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu>
                >
                >
                >                 -----Original Message-----
                >                 From:   Irene D.
                > [mailto:sirenegold@YAHOO.COM]
                >                 Sent:   Thursday, August 19, 1999
                > 7:42 AM
                >                 To:
                > LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
                >                 Subject:        Re: NEW: S&S #5 2 of
                > 2
                >
                >                 Thanks, Wendy.
                >
                >                 This one was very fun to write.
                >
                >                 And regarding part 6, don't be
                > greedy (g), I've released two
                > chapters
                >                 this week alone and you know SVR is
                > keeping me busy!
                >
                >                 Irene
                >
                >                 --- Wendy Richards
                > <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:
                >                 > Yes, I liked this one, Irene! It
                > was so nice to
                >                 > learn a bit more
                >                 > about Marty, and also see how
                > Jon's 'sideline' was
                >                 > progressing. Very
                >                 > sweet, WAFFy, and cute; and
                > entirely what I'd expect
                >                 > from Clark's
                >                 > children!
                >                 >
                >                 > (Oh, just remembered that Part 6
                > is GREAT... when
                >                 > can I see it again?
                >                 > <g>)
                >                 >
                >                 > Wendy
                >                 > ----------------------
                >                 > Wendy Richards
                >                 > w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
                >                 >
                >
                >
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<P>--- Vicki Krell &lt;Vicki.Krell@ASU.EDU&gt; wrote:
<BR>&gt; Wendy and Irene, you guys are driving me CRAZY!!
<BR>&gt; WHAT is SVR??? (apologizes
<BR>&gt; for yelling!! LOL) If I already know what SVR is (or
<BR>&gt; am not supposed to
<BR>&gt; know, or it's none of my business...), please
<BR>&gt; forgive my current
<BR>&gt; braindeadedness.
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt; Vicki (wishing she could spend all day reading
<BR>&gt; fanfic and often does!)
<BR>&gt; Vicki.Krell@asu.edu &lt;<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu">mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu</A>&gt;
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt;
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<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From:&nbsp;&nbsp; Irene D.
<BR>&gt; [<A =
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1999
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Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Re: NEW: S&amp;S #5 =
2 of
<BR>&gt; 2
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks, Wendy.
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This one was very fun to write.
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And regarding part 6, don't be
<BR>&gt; greedy (g), I've released two
<BR>&gt; chapters
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; this week alone and you know SVR is
<BR>&gt; keeping me busy!
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Irene
<BR>&gt;
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --- Wendy Richards
<BR>&gt; &lt;ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK&gt; wrote:
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Yes, I liked this one, Irene! It
<BR>&gt; was so nice to
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; learn a bit more
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; about Marty, and also see how
<BR>&gt; Jon's 'sideline' was
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; progressing. Very
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; sweet, WAFFy, and cute; and
<BR>&gt; entirely what I'd expect
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; from Clark's
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; children!
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; (Oh, just remembered that Part 6
<BR>&gt; is GREAT... when
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; can I see it again?
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &lt;g&gt;)
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Wendy
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; ----------------------
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Wendy Richards
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;
<BR>&gt;
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Well, now I'm excited. A story co-authored by the two of you will be
fabulous (not that I'm trying to make you feel any performance anxiety,
guys!!). Thanks for the update, and I will eagerly await what, hopefully,
will be a VERY long, multi-part (I'm so subtle) fic.

Vicki (grinning like an idiot; sad that I'm so easily delighted)

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Wendy Richards [mailto:ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK]
                Sent:   Thursday, August 19, 1999 8:46 AM
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                > Wendy and Irene, you guys are driving me CRAZY!! WHAT is
SVR??? (apologizes
                > for yelling!! LOL) If I already know what SVR is (or am
not supposed to
                > know, or it's none of my business...),

                Sorry, Vicki! Just Irene and I dragging our off-list lives
into
                discussion again.... Okay, 'fess-up time.  SVR is the
abbreviated
                working title of the fic we're co-authoring, and which just
might get
                finished sometime in this millenium, right, Irene? If we can
figure
                out where to stop... <g>

                Wendy
                ----------------------
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<P>Vicki (grinning like an idiot; sad that I'm so easily delighted)
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<P>&gt; Wendy and Irene, you guys are driving me CRAZY!! WHAT is SVR??? =
(apologizes
<BR>&gt; for yelling!! LOL) If I already know what SVR is (or am not =
supposed to
<BR>&gt; know, or it's none of my business...),
</P>
<BR>

<P>Sorry, Vicki! Just Irene and I dragging our off-list lives into
<BR>discussion again.... Okay, 'fess-up time.&nbsp; SVR is the =
abbreviated
<BR>working title of the fic we're co-authoring, and which just might =
get
<BR>finished sometime in this millenium, right, Irene? If we can figure
<BR>out where to stop... &lt;g&gt;
</P>

<P>Wendy
<BR>----------------------
<BR>Wendy Richards
<BR>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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I'm afraid my feedback is going to be of the "This is great, write more"
type, this time.  This little saga of yours is going to make a great one
piece story posted to the Archive one of these days.  You *are* going to
post it to the Archive aren't you?  Eventually, that  is?

By the way, don't anyone be surprised if you get some odd posts from me
today.  My track ball is acting up something fierce.  I'm not sure if it's
the track ball or the computer.  This thing's "colorful personality" is
getting more colorful all the time, and that is not a compliment.

Nan

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I'm afraid my feedback is going to be of the "This is great, write more"
type, this time.&nbsp; This little saga of yours is going to make a great
one piece story posted to the Archive one of these days.&nbsp; You *are*
going to post it to the Archive aren't you?&nbsp; Eventually, that&nbsp;
is?

<P>By the way, don't anyone be surprised if you get some odd posts from
me today.&nbsp; My track ball is acting up something fierce.&nbsp; I'm
not sure if it's the track ball or the computer.&nbsp; This thing's
"colorful
personality" is getting more colorful all the time, and that is not a
compliment.

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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:49:27 -0700
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Thanks, Vicki, and yes, it will be VERY, VERY long!

Irene

--- Vicki Krell <Vicki.Krell@ASU.EDU> wrote:
> Well, now I'm excited. A story co-authored by the
> two of you will be
> fabulous (not that I'm trying to make you feel any
> performance anxiety,
> guys!!). Thanks for the update, and I will eagerly
> await what, hopefully,
> will be a VERY long, multi-part (I'm so subtle) fic.
>
> Vicki (grinning like an idiot; sad that I'm so
> easily delighted)
>
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From:   Wendy Richards
> [mailto:ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK]
>                 Sent:   Thursday, August 19, 1999
> 8:46 AM
>                 To:
> LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>                 Subject:        Re: NEW: S&S #5 2 of
> 2
>
>                 > Wendy and Irene, you guys are
> driving me CRAZY!! WHAT is
> SVR??? (apologizes
>                 > for yelling!! LOL) If I already
> know what SVR is (or am
> not supposed to
>                 > know, or it's none of my
> business...),
>
>
>                 Sorry, Vicki! Just Irene and I
> dragging our off-list lives
> into
>                 discussion again.... Okay, 'fess-up
> time.  SVR is the
> abbreviated
>                 working title of the fic we're
> co-authoring, and which just
> might get
>                 finished sometime in this millenium,
> right, Irene? If we can
> figure
>                 out where to stop... <g>
>
>                 Wendy
>                 ----------------------
>                 Wendy Richards
>                 w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
>

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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:50:59 -0700
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Thanks, Nan, and yes, this will be sent to the archive just as soon as
I get finished writing it! (g)

Irene

--- Nancy Smith <deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> >
>
> I'm afraid my feedback is going to be of the "This
> is great, write more"
> type, this time.  This little saga of yours is going
> to make a great one
> piece story posted to the Archive one of these days.
>  You *are* going to
> post it to the Archive aren't you?  Eventually, that
>  is?
>
> By the way, don't anyone be surprised if you get
> some odd posts from me
> today.  My track ball is acting up something fierce.
>  I'm not sure if it's
> the track ball or the computer.  This thing's
> "colorful personality" is
> getting more colorful all the time, and that is not
> a compliment.
>
> Nan
>

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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:59:37 +0100
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Just a quick note to let you know you'll have a break from my
postings for a while ;)

I'll be away from this email address for about ten days, so won't see
any list postings in the meantime. Anyone who needs to contact me
more urgently about anything can use my other address
(wendy@kingsmeadowcr.freeserve.co.uk)

Bye for now,

Wendy

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Irene, as usual, excellent stuff!

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

Just one teeney, weeney question...
>
> Twelve year old Vicky and Aunt Lois worked on a
> sandcastle.  Vicky
> happily trotted back and forth getting buckets of
> wet sand.
>
Wasn't Vicky six in the last installment?  So wouldn't
she be nine now?

Very minor nit-pick though.  This saga is really
enchanting, and I am amazed at your ability to span
such a wide range of these characters lives and keep
them 'true' to themselves.  Wonderful, wonderful
stuff.

Keep it coming!
Audrey
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At 7:42 AM -0700 8/19/99, Irene D. wrote:

>Yes, Sam and Jon will be Starfire and Sunstorm.  You can figure out
>which one is which if you know a little Latin (eg).  And relax, I don't
>plan on leaving the story here.

>Hurrying up, and writing more, even as we speak! <g>

OK, I have a question ... is this ever going to be submitted to the
Archive? <g>

Kathy (who has a policy against reading unfinished stories--Mandy's
departure before finishing "Separate Worlds" as a case in point--but all
the great comments on this one have me looking forward to it being finished
and submitted!! :))

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Charlotte, I never got part 5. I'd love it if you had time to send it to me,
since I'd like to finish the story. I'm enjoying it!

Thanks!
Vicki (who can't believe how vocal she's being today)
Vicki.Krell@asu.edu <mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu>

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Charlotte Fisler [mailto:Cdfisler@AOL.COM]
                Sent:   Thursday, August 19, 1999 7:02 AM
                To:     LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
                Subject:        Re: Just Like Claude

                This is to thank all of you for your kind comments and
feedback.  I have had
                two excellent suggestions so far.  These will be in the
version I send to the
                archive.

                One was to correct the slight confusion as to timing of the
episode, so I am
                putting in a few lines more right at the beginning.  The
story must take
                place after the end of the premier to make sense.

                Thanks to Wendy for that suggestion.  Heck, the timing even
confused me.

                The second was from a theatre grad student, Drew, who was
visiting my son
                Benjamin.  A fan of the show when it first aired, he was
turned off when ABC
                messed around with the time slots.  (You were right again
Zoom as to what
                killed  the show. ABC's hands are bloodied)

                He suggested that Lois include a retraction over the sidebar
attributing it
                properly to Clark.  It's not exactly Lois's way to publicly
admit an error,
                so I wrote the extra lines in the section below which seemed
to please Drew:

                She went to her desk and quickly wrote up the in-depth story
she'd promised
                Perry that morning.

                "Clark, come over here and check my copy."

                "Looks okay," he told her after scanning the text, but "why
did you put
                include this line about the sidebar in today's article being
actually
                authored by me?"

                "Clark, do you really believe that I want people to think I
wrote that part?
                I'm Lois Lane, investigative reporter.  You stick to the
'touchy-feely' stuff,
                you're good at it.  I'll write the serious, factual
articles."

                "Oh, okay," he said, knowing her well enough to understand
that was as close
                to a retraction as he was going to get.  Then he saw the
byline and did a
                double take ...

                etc.

                Thanks, Drew.

                Charlotte

                Now I am going to submit it to the archive.  Wish me luck.

                Thanks again everyone.

                Charlotte

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<P>Charlotte, I never got part 5. I'd love it if you had time to send it to
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<P>Thanks!
<BR>Vicki (who can't believe how vocal she's being today)
<BR><A HREF="mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu"><U><FONT
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<BR><B>From:&nbsp;&nbsp; Charlotte Fisler [<A HREF="mailto:Cdfisler@AOL.COM
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<BR><B>Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</B> Thursday, August 19, 1999 7:02 AM
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LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
<BR><B>Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</B> Re: Just Like
Claude
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<P>This is to thank all of you for your kind comments and feedback.&nbsp; I
have had
<BR>two excellent suggestions so far.&nbsp; These will be in the version I
send to the
<BR>archive.
</P>

<P>One was to correct the slight confusion as to timing of the episode, so I
am
<BR>putting in a few lines more right at the beginning.&nbsp; The story must
take
<BR>place after the end of the premier to make sense.
</P>

<P>Thanks to Wendy for that suggestion.&nbsp; Heck, the timing even confused
me.
</P>

<P>The second was from a theatre grad student, Drew, who was visiting my son
<BR>Benjamin.&nbsp; A fan of the show when it first aired, he was turned off
when ABC
<BR>messed around with the time slots.&nbsp; (You were right again Zoom as
to what
<BR>killed&nbsp; the show. ABC's hands are bloodied)
</P>

<P>He suggested that Lois include a retraction over the sidebar attributing
it
<BR>properly to Clark.&nbsp; It's not exactly Lois's way to publicly admit
an error,
<BR>so I wrote the extra lines in the section below which seemed to please
Drew:
</P>

<P>She went to her desk and quickly wrote up the in-depth story she'd
promised
<BR>Perry that morning.
</P>

<P>&quot;Clark, come over here and check my copy.&quot;
</P>

<P>&quot;Looks okay,&quot; he told her after scanning the text, but
&quot;why did you put
<BR>include this line about the sidebar in today's article being actually
<BR>authored by me?&quot;
</P>

<P>&quot;Clark, do you really believe that I want people to think I wrote
that part?
<BR>I'm Lois Lane, investigative reporter.&nbsp; You stick to the
'touchy-feely' stuff,
<BR>you're good at it.&nbsp; I'll write the serious, factual articles.&quot;
</P>

<P>&quot;Oh, okay,&quot; he said, knowing her well enough to understand that
was as close
<BR>to a retraction as he was going to get.&nbsp; Then he saw the byline and
did a
<BR>double take ...
</P>

<P>etc.
</P>

<P>Thanks, Drew.
</P>

<P>Charlotte
</P>

<P>Now I am going to submit it to the archive.&nbsp; Wish me luck.
</P>

<P>Thanks again everyone.
</P>

<P>Charlotte
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Hi Kathy,

Yes, I will submit this monster epic to the archive as soon as it's
finished.  I am over half-way thankfully and only have three more
chapters to write. Whew <- big sigh of relief.

Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

--- Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM> wrote:
> At 7:42 AM -0700 8/19/99, Irene D. wrote:
>
> >Yes, Sam and Jon will be Starfire and Sunstorm.
> You can figure out
> >which one is which if you know a little Latin (eg).
>  And relax, I don't
> >plan on leaving the story here.
>
> >Hurrying up, and writing more, even as we speak!
> <g>
>
>
> OK, I have a question ... is this ever going to be
> submitted to the
> Archive? <g>
>
> Kathy (who has a policy against reading unfinished
> stories--Mandy's
> departure before finishing "Separate Worlds" as a
> case in point--but all
> the great comments on this one have me looking
> forward to it being finished
> and submitted!! :))
>
> ______________________
> Kathy Brown
> kathyb@springnet1.com
> KathyB on IRC
> ______________________
>

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--- Audrey Rempel <audo65@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Irene, as usual, excellent stuff!
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Just one teeney, weeney question...
> >
> > Twelve year old Vicky and Aunt Lois worked on a
> > sandcastle.  Vicky
> > happily trotted back and forth getting buckets of
> > wet sand.
> >
> Wasn't Vicky six in the last installment?  So
> wouldn't
> she be nine now?

Oops!  Yes, Vicky is now nine.  I had originally planned that this
would occur when Sam was 15 and Astrid 12.  After I tried to write it,
and said "Ewww!" a whole bunch of times, I changed it so that Sam was
now 21.  Didn't like that either, so ... No excuse for missing that
though.  Thanks for pointing it out to me.  I will fix my copy asap.
>
> Very minor nit-pick though.  This saga is really
> enchanting, and I am amazed at your ability to span
> such a wide range of these characters lives and keep
> them 'true' to themselves.  Wonderful, wonderful
> stuff.
>
Thank you.  I'm glad you're enjoying the story.

> Keep it coming!

I will.

Irene
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In a message dated 08/19/1999 9:40:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< I like it, Irene.  >>

Boy, I can't beleive how much mail Irene has generated here today with 2 new
installments of S&S!! I was only gone all morning and my mail "box" is
filled
up!

Hurrah, Irene!!

--Laurie (Irene's #1 fan)
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> Okay, Wendy,  This is called giving in gracefully. This post is for
> you.

Darn, now I have to be grateful to Wendy! <g>

Thanks, Irene, for posting, this was great... I loved it.
--
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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:13:57 PDT
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Hey there

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

Well, I must admit I have been enjoying the Further Adventures of the Kent
Clan AKA S&S.

I think what you are going to have to do is buy that software that you can
buy now where you can talk into the computer and it will type your story.
That way we have the stories a little faster.  <VBG>

Sue

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 I walk away from my computer for half a day and come back to TWO
installments of S &S!! Thanks Irene, it's your usual brand of
masterpiece. I'm sure my air onditioner repair guy is wondering why I
was sitting here staring at the computer with tears rolling down my
eyes.
  I agree with Terry(we Terrys have to stick together). I've always
wondered why it wasn't addressed that after the New Krypton arc,
everyone in Smallville knew(or suspected) Clark's secret. I love what
you're doing with that and with Marty's tie to the farm.

Now, about this SVR???  Are you going to tell, or do we have to start a
guessing game of what 'S-V-R' stands for? ;)

TerriAnn (now an official member of the Irene's #1Fan Club)

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Kathy,

I'm pretty sure the person who told me about your stories gave you my
email address and you sent them.  And, yes, they were the nfic.  That's
my favorite kind. :-)

And I wish I was just a college student.  Unfortunately, I get to play
single mommy (to a sixteen year old girl, ARGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!) and work on
top of going to school.

And I live in Weatherford, Texas.  Anybody close who would lend me the
pilot????

quinn
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Irene,

YES! Yes yes yes! :)

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

I *loved* your Smallville people. I know, other people posted re this
before I got home, but... tough. :) It's simply impossible that after the
whole mess with the NKers, the good people of Smallville wouldn't have
figured it out. I'm glad they did, and it's so typical small-town that they
all seem to have come to a non-verbal, mutual agreement not to say anything
to anybody -- including the Kents.

Lovely story, and it's nice to hear that Jon is raking it in. ;)

Regards,

Hazel

(who also thanks Wendy for her not-so-subtle hints in getting the next bit
posted)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:58:46 +0100
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Wendy wrote:

(So if any of you struggle through my forthcoming 'Strange
>Visitor from the Congo' and reach the other end, you've got Yvonne to
>thank... or blame... <g>)

When the story is as good as this one is, you can blame me all you like <g>.

Yvonne
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Subject:      LnC tapes.
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I've managed to find a way to buy LnC tapes on the web.  I found =
Blackstar.Com.  It's based in Northern Ireland, and I ordered two tapes =
>from them from the first series.  They are in VHS mode and probably just =
of use to people on the European side of the Atlantic.=20

Still, maybe the information will be of use.

the address is http://www.blackstar.co.uk.

Liz

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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:31:32 -0700
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--- Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL> wrote:
> Irene,
>
> YES! Yes yes yes! :)
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> I *loved* your Smallville people. I know, other
> people posted re this
> before I got home, but... tough. :) It's simply
> impossible that after the
> whole mess with the NKers, the good people of
> Smallville wouldn't have
> figured it out. I'm glad they did, and it's so
> typical small-town that they
> all seem to have come to a non-verbal, mutual
> agreement not to say anything
> to anybody -- including the Kents.

Or as Perry might have put it, they know, but they don't *know*.
>
> Lovely story, and it's nice to hear that Jon is
> raking it in. ;)

Lol!  Well, I haven't been very nice to him in past chapters; it's time
he got a break!

I'm glad you're enjoying this, Hazel. Thanks for the feedback.

Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

>
> Regards,
>
> Hazel
>
> (who also thanks Wendy for her not-so-subtle hints
> in getting the next bit
> posted)

She did hound me, but I'll take it from her! (g) (Just kidding, Wendy!)

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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:36:57 EDT
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In a message dated 99-08-18 18:23:24 EDT, you write:

<< >The third has more general info, but doesn't seem to cover all the
bases.
 >There is some info on other fanfic sites, but only a few.

 There should also be information on how to submit stories, editing tips,
 etc. What bases do you think are missing, given that this is a FAQ for the
 Archive, not for this fanfic listserv?  >>

The FAQ says :
If you want to brainstorm with fanfic writers and writer wanna-bes in live
chats, come visit the IRC undernet channel #fanfic on Thursday nights.
(check
out #loiscla most other nights for more info!)

However, there is no info on what IRC undernet channel #fanfic is or how to
get to it. Newbies would want to know.

How about some directions on preventing word wrap problems? There have been
a
number of stories archived where this is a problem. Does any one else feel
jolted when this happens, breaking the flow of the story? Also how about
some
directions for fixing word wrap problems? I would be willing to let my
posting to the listserv be archived.

The Fanfic LISTSERV info could use a link to the LISTSERV archive.

Can any one think of more?

budmayes@aol.com
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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:41:09 -0700
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--- TA Merrill <paounfiloun@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>  I walk away from my computer for half a day and
> come back to TWO
> installments of S &S!! Thanks Irene, it's your usual
> brand of
> masterpiece. I'm sure my air onditioner repair guy
> is wondering why I
> was sitting here staring at the computer with tears
> rolling down my
> eyes.

This has to be the nicest compliment that a writer can get -- that
they've moved someone to tears.  Thank you.

>   I agree with Terry(we Terrys have to stick
> together). I've always
> wondered why it wasn't addressed that after the New
> Krypton arc,
> everyone in Smallville knew(or suspected) Clark's
> secret. I love what
> you're doing with that and with Marty's tie to the
> farm.

Again, thank you. It was only logical to me that the people in
Smallville might suspect something.
>
> Now, about this SVR???  Are you going to tell, or do
> we have to start a
> guessing game of what 'S-V-R' stands for? ;)

LOL!  Wendy and I are working on a very, very long fanfic together.
SVR is the abbreviation of the working title and I'm not telling you
what it stands for, as it might give away the story.  I know, I'm mean!
 We are 2/3 to 3/4 done, although we keep passing the point where we
thought we would stop! Unfortunately, real life keeps interfering with
both of our writing schedules, but I think this will be posted sometime
in the next 2 - 3 weeks.  (Or 4 - 6 weeks, or more)  We're really
trying hard to get this done as well as working on some other things
separately.  Of course, there's also our jobs taking our attention -
Real life can be so unfair!

Thanks for your note,
Irene
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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:47:40 -0700
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--- Sue Modolo <smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Hey there
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> Well, I must admit I have been enjoying the Further
> Adventures of the Kent
> Clan AKA S&S.
>
> I think what you are going to have to do is buy that
> software that you can
> buy now where you can talk into the computer and it
> will type your story.
> That way we have the stories a little faster.  <VBG>
>
> Sue

Thanks for the feedback, Sue.  I think that software sounds absolutely
fascinating, but I'm not sure that it can speed up thought processes!
I brooded and brooded on chapter 7, not sure how I wanted to express
myself, and then sat down and wrote it last night in about 1/2 hour.
(It's not quite ready to be released to the group, but soon.)  Thinking
time is the most valuable commodity and sometimes it's in short supply!

Irene
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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:45:26 -0700
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--- No Name Available <Larus2407@AOL.COM> wrote:
> In a message dated 08/19/1999 9:40:02 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> deimos1@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
>
> << I like it, Irene.  >>
>
> Boy, I can't beleive how much mail Irene has
> generated here today with 2 new
> installments of S&S!! I was only gone all morning
> and my mail "box" is filled
> up!
>
> Hurrah, Irene!!

Thanks, Laurie.  I'm a bit embarrassed at how much mail there's been.
I've been in and out all day, and I'm falling behind responding to
these notes!

Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:08:31 -0500
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Irene wrote:

>> I think what you are going to have to do is buy that
>> software that you can
>> buy now where you can talk into the computer and it
>> will type your story.
>> That way we have the stories a little faster.  <VBG>
>>
>> Sue
>
>
>Thanks for the feedback, Sue.  I think that software sounds absolutely
>fascinating, but I'm not sure that it can speed up thought processes!

If you ask me, it can often *hinder* thought processes. I'm taking the
first few paragraphs of your chapter five as an example of what you would
have to say:

Quote Who want's to go to town with me question mark quote new paragraph

Quote I will comma Papa period quote Twelve year old Marty jumped up and
down eagerly period  She
was the only one of Jonathan Kent's grandchildren to show any enthusiasm at
the prospect period new paragraph

Quote Okay comma Marty period Go hop in the truck and we'll be off period
Martha comma can I
pick anything up for you while we're there question mark quote Jonathan
called through
the screen door of the house period

This, or course, assumes that you don't have to constantly backtrack when
the program thinks that "Jon" is "John," or types "well" instead of "will."
Add the strain of sitting in a chair with a headset and trying to recite in
a calm voice without any background noise to interfere and lower the
accuracy rate...

Mind you, I'm prolly being unfair. :) I only tried Dragon for a month or
so. But it's not good for *composing*. For editing, it's prolly fantastic.

Hazel
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The lawyer I used when I went after more child support used this
program.  He used to dictate memos to it and cuss a blue streak trying
to make it understand his Texas accent.  He would have been much more
productive with a microcassette recorder and a secretary with a
dictaphone.  But boys and there toys...

quinn

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        Irene wrote:

        >> I think what you are going to have to do is buy that
        >> software that you can
        >> buy now where you can talk into the computer and it
        >> will type your story.
        >> That way we have the stories a little faster.  <VBG>
        >>
        >> Sue
        >
        >
        >Thanks for the feedback, Sue.  I think that software sounds
absolutely
        >fascinating, but I'm not sure that it can speed up thought
processes!

        If you ask me, it can often *hinder* thought processes. I'm
taking the
        first few paragraphs of your chapter five as an example of what
you would
        have to say:

        Quote Who want's to go to town with me question mark quote new
paragraph

        Quote I will comma Papa period quote Twelve year old Marty
jumped up and
        down eagerly period  She
        was the only one of Jonathan Kent's grandchildren to show any
enthusiasm at
        the prospect period new paragraph

        Quote Okay comma Marty period Go hop in the truck and we'll be
off period
        Martha comma can I
        pick anything up for you while we're there question mark quote
Jonathan
        called through
        the screen door of the house period

        This, or course, assumes that you don't have to constantly
backtrack when
        the program thinks that "Jon" is "John," or types "well" instead
of "will."
        Add the strain of sitting in a chair with a headset and trying
to recite in
        a calm voice without any background noise to interfere and lower
the
        accuracy rate...

        Mind you, I'm prolly being unfair. :) I only tried Dragon for a
month or
        so. But it's not good for *composing*. For editing, it's prolly
fantastic.

        Hazel
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Okay, it has been almost two weeks and I still can not get into Gorn's site
"unable to locate server"
Does anyone have her email address?  At this rate I will never get to read
her stories.  Any help will be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you
Brenda
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What was the original address?

-Don

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Dennis A Arendt wrote:

> Okay, it has been almost two weeks and I still can not get into Gorn's
site "unable to locate server"
> Does anyone have her email address?  At this rate I will never get to read
her stories.  Any help will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thank you
> Brenda
>
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At 5:32 PM -0500 8/19/99, Dennis A Arendt wrote:
>Okay, it has been almost two weeks and I still can not get into Gorn's
>site "unable to locate server"
>Does anyone have her email address?  At this rate I will never get to read
>her stories.  Any help will be greatly
>appreciated.

The last address I had for Gorn was <Gorn@gargamel.ptw.com>.  However,
given that she has been out of FoLCdom for a very long time, she may have
moved or simply removed that site.  I hope you can reach her; good luck.

Kathy

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I'm pretty sure I've asked this before, but does anyone know of a place on
the internet where I can have a non-fan fiction short story edited?  I'm
about to send off a story I wrote to a well known high school writing
magazine, and I'm getting just a bit nervous. :-)

Jessi
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I finally got a chance to read this, and just want to say I hope Part three
is
quickly forthcoming.  I liked all the sub plots brought out in this part.
S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

I loved the description of the scenery and the buildings of Krypton.  It was
almost like being there to read it.  The descriptions of both the social
structure and the inequality between men and women worked their way in well.
I
kept wondering how long Lois was going to give the male dominated Kryptonian
race a little peace before she started a suffragette movement.   I felt for
both Kal-El's sisters.  Wouldn't you think the people who let the male go to
another planet to find a bride would let the females pick their own guy as
long
as they didn't leave the planet to find him?  I don't know how old Zara is,
or
how imminent her wedding, but I hope her story is resolved before her
wedding
to the wrong man.

I love cliffhangers as long as they are followed shortly by a resolution.  I
can't wait to read Part 3.

Cindy
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"Irene D." wrote:

> Thanks, Laurie.  I'm a bit embarrassed at how much mail there's been.
> I've been in and out all day, and I'm falling behind responding to
> these notes!

At the risk of embarrassing you some more, I want to add my appreciation
to the dozens you've been recieving all day.  I read Part 5 during my
lunch hour, happy to have another installment so soon after part 4, and
before I had to get back to my desk found Part 6 in my mailbox.  The flow
>from each part to the next is wonderful to follow.  I can't wait until
you complete all then parts and I can re-read them as a whole.

But I will.  Patiently.  I'm going back to my no nagging rule.  Stupid
New Year's resolution.  Next year I'm going to give up spinach instead.

Cindy
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Hi FoLCs,

I remember a series of fanfics (or maybe it was just one long one) in =
which Lois is reading a menu from an ice cream parlor and recalling =
events surrounding when she and Clark shared each flavor.  Does this =
sound familiar?  Can anyone tell me where to find it?

Bye,
Rhonda

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Date:         Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:13:53 -0500
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At 8:54 PM -0600 8/19/99, Rhonda Robinson wrote:
>     Hi FoLCs,   I remember a series of fanfics (or maybe it was  just one
>long one) in which Lois is reading a menu from an ice cream parlor and
>recalling events surrounding when she and Clark shared each flavor.  Does
>this sound familiar?  Can anyone tell me where to find it?   Bye,
>Rhonda

If I remember correctly, this is an nfic series, the "Dayz" series, by
Menolly.  You can try checking the nfic list that the nKerth coordinators
have set up to see how you can obtain it.  Since it is nfic, you must be of
legal age and obtain the story through the author or from a website the
author has posted it to.

Kathy

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I need some quick info for this fanfic i continue to write..

A new guy has joined the Daily Planet as a reporter and he is a Rhode
Scholar. Can graduates from Oxford, earn journalism degrees over there, or
does it have to be more broad like communication?

Thanks.
Alexis ;-.)
{who has visited Oxford before, but can't recall if they ever really told us
what you can major over there.....It was a site-seeing tour of the school..
when we went to stay in london for a vacation type.. sort of thing..}
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Hi FoLCs,

Thanks for the information, Kathy and Merry.  Now I need Menolly's email
address so I can get the fanfic!  I can't find it anywhere, or even a link
to an nfic page.  I'm 30, so I can read nfic.

Bye,
Rhonda
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Hey Jessi,

How about asking one of your fan friends read it, with the understanding
that it has *nothing* to do with a fandom? I've done this for others, and I
bet I'm not the only one who would be willing to help you out :)

Melisma

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At 06:46 PM 08/19/1999 CDT, you wrote:
>I'm pretty sure I've asked this before, but does anyone know of a place on
>the internet where I can have a non-fan fiction short story edited?  I'm
>about to send off a story I wrote to a well known high school writing
>magazine, and I'm getting just a bit nervous. :-)
>
>Jessi
>jessi914@hotmail.com
>
>
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At 06:13 PM 19/08/99 -0500, you wrote:
>At 5:32 PM -0500 8/19/99, Dennis A Arendt wrote:
>>Okay, it has been almost two weeks and I still can not get into Gorn's
>>site "unable to locate server"
>>Does anyone have her email address?  At this rate I will never get to read
>>her stories.  Any help will be greatly
>>appreciated.
>
>The last address I had for Gorn was <Gorn@gargamel.ptw.com>.  However,
>given that she has been out of FoLCdom for a very long time, she may have
>moved or simply removed that site.  I hope you can reach her; good luck.
>
>Kathy
>
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The last email address I had for Gorn was gorn@fishnet.net - I thought I
had a website URL for her, but I can't find it on my favourites listing :(

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Date:         Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:43:44 EDT
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Just wanted to say how much I'm enjoying Universal Union.  It's  one of the
most original stories I've read this year -- the creation and description of
a different world with a young Lois and Kal El reacting to circumstances
that
haven't been explored very much in  L & C fanfic.  And Jenni writes so well,
with a wonderful use of imaginative detail.   Hazel pointed out a while ago
that most of our stuff is cliche ridden.  But Jenni's is not.
It's just a great story.

Looking forward to part 3,
Carol
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At 06:43 AM 20/08/99 EDT, you wrote:
> Hazel pointed out a while ago
>that most of our stuff is cliche ridden.  But Jenni's is not.
>It's just a great story.

Yes, Jenni's story is marvelous. It's highly intriguing to see Lois Lane --
Alien! And I cheer for a strong-willed Lara. Is there anyone out there who
has written Lara as *weak*? Or Jor and Lara as not nice people, on a par
with the NKers?

But, Carol -- sometimes I wish I'd never posted my "fluff" piece. At the
time, it was intended to be *light humor.* You (or all people!) and several
others automatically assumed I was somehow insinuating that the fanfics
recently posted had prompted the list, not a lack of caffeine. ;) I didn't
write that list with anyone in mind; rather, it was an affectionate
observation of the many marvelous fics on the archive. Some of them were
tongue-in-cheek ("Lex stays dead") and others would make a story NOT LnC
(Clark is happily married to someone other than Lois" <gulp>). I still
regret that people took it personally.

Hazel
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Hazel wrote:
>
> At 06:43 AM 20/08/99 EDT, you wrote:
> > Hazel pointed out a while ago
> >that most of our stuff is cliche ridden.  But Jenni's is not.
> >It's just a great story.
>
> Yes, Jenni's story is marvelous. It's highly intriguing to see Lois Lane
--
> Alien! And I cheer for a strong-willed Lara. Is there anyone out there who
> has written Lara as *weak*? Or Jor and Lara as not nice people, on a par
> with the NKers?

Ah, yes ... me.

(It's another one of those pesky n-fic stories that you and I can talk
about privately, Hazel, if you'd care to.) In TAKEN, although I start
out with a rather unsympathetic Lara, very quickly (as in Jenni's story)
Lara reveals greater depths and her conflicts are quite understandable.
In fact, I think I created a Jor-El and Lara who are pretty complicated.

I was very interested in Jenni's take on Krypton.  There are some
similarities to my own, but mostly we veer off into different directions
because I don't spend as much time on the overall societal structure.
Well ... perhaps I do, but when I introduce the topic, it's usually in
terms of the small, personal observation which reflects a larger issue.

I must admit, yesterday I was sitting there thinking about what I would
have done next with TAKEN had I not  ended it the way I did.  I sketched
out a bit of an outline.  I wish I had time to write it, but I've been
very irresponsible about getting things done in my private life that
have been waiting in the wings for a long time and it's caught up with
me.

> But, Carol -- sometimes I wish I'd never posted my "fluff" piece. At the
> time, it was intended to be *light humor.* You (or all people!) and
several
> others automatically assumed I was somehow insinuating that the fanfics
> recently posted had prompted the list, not a lack of caffeine. ;) I didn't
> write that list with anyone in mind; rather, it was an affectionate
> observation of the many marvelous fics on the archive. Some of them were
> tongue-in-cheek ("Lex stays dead") and others would make a story NOT LnC
> (Clark is happily married to someone other than Lois" <gulp>). I still
> regret that people took it personally.

You shouldn't apologize.  I loved your "fluff piece."  We certainly have
talked enough about "show cliches" (or canon) in the past. If we can't
laugh at ourselves and those "home truths *we've* sustained or created,
then we're in a sorry state.

Sandy
smcdermin@erols.com
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Date:         Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:20:41 EDT
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the notorious Daniels
> book, (which I still
> like - the shield near the end says it all) that
> Lois and Clark crashed and
> burned due to poor ratings after the marriage.

What book is this?  I've never heard of it.

Irene

In the interests of fairness.  I am after all a librarian and vehemently
opposed to censorship (BG).  It's an excellent history of Superman in all
media in spite of the short shrift given Lois and Clark. At least he didn't
ignore it.  But he certainly got the reasons behind the cancellation wrong.
Also he seemed to appreciate the Superboy show more.  But not everyone sees
eye to eye with me.

Below is the listing from the library catalog where I work.  I bought it for
them in hard copy, but I believe it's out as a paperback as well

Daniels, Les, 1943-
Superman : the complete history, the life and times of the man of steel / by
Les Daniels.
San Francisco, Calif. : Chronicle Books, c1998.

Holdings:
GENERAL CIRCULATING COLLECTION
CALL NUMBER: 741.5973 S959c -- BOOK -- Available

Charlotte
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In a message dated 8/19/99 2:17:06 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM
writes:

<< I think the fact that
 three writers in the last 2-3 weeks have acknowledged receiving "unkind"
 feedback privately proves that more people need to read just this type of
 information. >>

Just wanted to tell everyone, I personally didn't receive a single piece of
"unkind" feedback, either privately or publicly, to the story I sent last
week, "Just like Claude."

I wrote a thank you yesterday to post to everyone who sent me pointers. I
think everyone on this list is great.  I am sorry this has happened to
others.

Charlotte aka Daydreamer80
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In a message dated 8/19/99 12:35:16 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<<
 >I will second this recommendation ... Carry Tiger was a fantastic read.  I
>>

Okay, okay, at the risk of gushing, I have it and I love it too.  I figured
they put it in the fanboy category because it's heavy on the A-plot, but
really....   There's so much more to it than the A-plot.

<< I hope that *your* to read file is large because you are spending
inordinate
amounts of time writing  (Dawning 23, perhaps?) or anything else. :)>>

Perhaps?  We can only hope.

\debbie, I know you've written that you are rereading Dawning 1-22.  I am
too.  Just started and am about finished with the first one.  I will take
notes this read through and send comments (as I promised ages ago) to let
you
know just which parts touched me particularly, a hard task indeed, in a
series in which every word is enjoyable reading.

I'm convinced that Debbie deserves a Kerth all her own for all the great and
uniquely wonderful fiction she's written.

Charlotte - if Debbie writes it, I'll read it cause I know I'll enjoy it.
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I am only just starting 9 of 10 and I can't contain
myself anymore.

STUPENDOUS STORY!!!!!
AWESOME AUTHORSHIP!!!!
TERRIFIC TEXT FILE!!!!
LOL LITERATURE!!!!

Okay. So I like it.

James

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At 9:56 PM -0600 8/19/99, Rhonda Robinson wrote:
>Now I need Menolly's email
>address so I can get the fanfic!  I can't find it anywhere, or even a link
>to an nfic page.

This is the post the nKerth team made to this listserv a few weeks back.
I'd check here for a list of nfics and how to obtain them.

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>From:         Rich & Dawn <rfield@ROANOKE.INFI.NET>
>Subject:      Nkerth Nominations
>To:           LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>
>Hi FoLCs!
>
>We are now ready to begin the nominations for the 1999 Nkerth Awards!
>
>The list of categories, eligible stories, and a nomination form can be
found
>at
>
>http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/7378/nkerth.html
>
>There is also a link from the main directory:
>
>http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Meteor/7378/nfic.html
>
>Please vote only one time and include all your nominations on the one form.
>The deadline for nominations is Aug 31.
>
>Email Irene or myself, or post it to the list, if you have any questions.
>
>Happy reading!
>Dawn
>
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At 09:46 AM 8/20/1999 -0700, James wrote:
>I am only just starting 9 of 10 and I can't contain
>myself anymore.
>
>STUPENDOUS STORY!!!!!
>AWESOME AUTHORSHIP!!!!
>TERRIFIC TEXT FILE!!!!
>LOL LITERATURE!!!!
>
>Okay. So I like it.

<G> Thanks, James, you made my day:)

Margaret
Terrific text file?

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Margaret Brignell
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Ottawa, Canada
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Ah, Guy Fawkes goes with the Gun-Powder Plot.  I remember that.  Thanks to
Ann, Wendy, LabRat, and Donna.
-Diyan
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--- Cynthia Haste <chaste@CYBERHOTLINE.COM> wrote:
> "Irene D." wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Laurie.  I'm a bit embarrassed at how much
> mail there's been.
> > I've been in and out all day, and I'm falling
> behind responding to
> > these notes!
>
> At the risk of embarrassing you some more, I want to
> add my appreciation
> to the dozens you've been recieving all day.  I read
> Part 5 during my
> lunch hour, happy to have another installment so
> soon after part 4, and
> before I had to get back to my desk found Part 6 in
> my mailbox.  The flow
> from each part to the next is wonderful to follow.
> I can't wait until
> you complete all then parts and I can re-read them
> as a whole.
>
> But I will.  Patiently.  I'm going back to my no
> nagging rule.  Stupid
> New Year's resolution.  Next year I'm going to give
> up spinach instead.
>
> Cindy

Thanks for the compliments, Cindy.  You'll notice I didn't rush to
answer this email, instead taking the time to first edit some more of
your work. (g)

Hopefully it won't be too much longer before I am able to submit this
monster story to the archive. I've just finished chapter 9.  Chapter 10
looks like it's going to be a killer though, so I don't think I'm going
to tackle it today.

Thanks again for the feedback.

Take care,
Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com
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Hi,

I would like to thank all those who have written to the list and to me
privately about their thoughts on Universal Union.  I am truely happy tha=
t
I have given some of you pleasure in reading this story.  My private life=

is quite hectic at the moment and I hope that you will give me a little
space in sending the next part to the list.  I hope not to keep you waiti=
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too long for part three.

Yours Jenni Debbage
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In a message dated 8/19/99 7:47:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes:

<< Ann, you'll be happy to know that I finished another chapter last
 night.  It was a short one though and it needs some polishing.  The
 next chapter is most likely going to be much longer so will take more
 time.

 In case anyone is wondering, I anticipate that this will end with
 chapter 10.  I planned a chapter every three years in the twins' life
 so they will be 30 when this thing is over.
  >>

Yay!!!!!! I'm very glad to hear this, Irene.  After having had to go back to
work this week,  (those darn school administrators think we should actually
come teach <g>) it was nice to know there is something fun to look forward
to.

Ann
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In a message dated 8/19/99 10:39:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:

<< Wendy, you are the most exasperating person I know <g>  Okay, folcs, who
 wants to march on Wendy's house and steal all her advance copies of
 things? <g>
 -- >>

I'll go with you.  Did you notice that Wendy has also gone into hiding for a
while, right after making this remark?

Ann
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Just finished watching "Meet John Doe" and was just wondering - I seem to
remember a scene between either Ellen or Martha and Andrus (actor William
Christopher) and Ellen/Martha asks him if anyone has ever told him that he
has a striking resemblence to a doctor on MASH.  If anyone knows what
fanfic, I should would love to know.  Sue

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Hi everyone,

Just a to let you know that there will not be a fanfic writing session this
weekend while we try to clear up some of our story backlog ;).

Cheers,
Eileen
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Thanks to Sandy, Alicia, and Chris for imparting all their knowledge on
shopping malls.  I may end up ignoring everything you told me, (If the show
can set a presidential election in January, I can have an unrealisticly tall
mall! <g>) but at least now I'll know when I'm being unrealistic.  Thank
you!

Jessi
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Sue said:
>Just finished watching "Meet John Doe" and was just wondering - I seem to
>remember a scene between either Ellen or Martha and Andrus (actor William
>Christopher) and Ellen/Martha asks him if anyone has ever told him that he
>has a striking resemblence to a doctor on MASH.  If anyone knows what
>fanfic, I should would love to know.  Sue
>

That's Fear of Discovery by Yvonne Connel.  Wonderful story.

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Hi FoLCs,

Thanks for all your help.

Bye,
Rhonda
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At 04:03 PM 08/20/1999 +1000, you wrote:

>The last email address I had for Gorn was gorn@fishnet.net - I thought I
>had a website URL for her, but I can't find it on my favourites listing :(
>
>Jen

I've just tried accessing www.fishnet.com, where she had a site, and they
don't
reply. I've been forced to remove reference to her stories from my Nfic
compilations :(  Now she's a classic collectable.

Debby
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I read Part 1 yesterday and Part 2 today!  All I can say is WOW!  I could
not
put both of these stories down!  Even when i was watching Lois and Clark
today on tv, I had to mute the sound during the commericials so I could
continue reading.  The descrition was SO vivid that I too was feeling the
sexual tension from Lois' point of view.  I love the part when Kal-El starts
thinking about cold showers and then his parents pop into the thought!  I
was
LOLing all over the place after that one!

I have to give you a :( only because you left me hanging and i have so much
adreline built up that it was kinda disappointing to be left hanging like
that! <G>  Super job though.. and I CAN'T WAIT TO READ PART 3!!!!

Alexis ;-.)
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> Sue said:
> >Just finished watching "Meet John Doe" and was just wondering - I seem to
> >remember a scene between either Ellen or Martha and Andrus (actor William
> >Christopher) and Ellen/Martha asks him if anyone has ever told
> him that he
> >has a striking resemblence to a doctor on MASH.  If anyone knows what
> >fanfic, I should would love to know.  Sue

Then Jessi responded:

> That's Fear of Discovery by Yvonne Connel.  Wonderful story.

I'll have to read it! It's one of those in my very, very long "to read"
file.  <sigh>  Oh, and just for the record, William Christopher played the
Priest, Father John Francis Patrick Mulcahy in M*A*S*H.  I still think he
was fabulous in the role.  ;)

Erin  (the diehard M*A*S*H fan ;)
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"Ann E. McBride" wrote:

> In a message dated 8/19/99 10:39:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
>
> << Wendy, you are the most exasperating person I know <g>  Okay, folcs,
who
>  wants to march on Wendy's house and steal all her advance copies of
>  things? <g>
>  -- >>
>
> I'll go with you.  Did you notice that Wendy has also gone into hiding for
a
> while, right after making this remark?
>
> Ann

I think Wendy's punishment will come in the avalanche of mail that she'll
find
when she returns from her hiatus.  Pushing Irene to post Parts 5 & 6 so
quickly
sure has kept the list busy with well deserved praise for my favorite
editor.

Cindy
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If I remember right, this was S5, Ep 2, Time After Time, by Peace. I
laughed so hard at that, cuz I'm a MASHnik too, and the first thing I said
when I first saw Andrus was "My Gawd - there's Father Mulcahy!" And Audrey
R., you had a good laugh, didn't you? :) I think in the story, it was Ellen
who said that, BTW...

Melisma

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At 04:46 PM 08/20/1999 PDT, you wrote:
>Just finished watching "Meet John Doe" and was just wondering - I seem to
>remember a scene between either Ellen or Martha and Andrus (actor William
>Christopher) and Ellen/Martha asks him if anyone has ever told him that he
>has a striking resemblence to a doctor on MASH.  If anyone knows what
>fanfic, I should would love to know.  Sue
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Hello,

I have copies of some Gorn Nfic: Going Going Gone, Consummate Revelation and
One and Only.

Anyone wanting to read them should email me at laned@cadvision.com with an
age statement.

Hope that helps,

Dave
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TITLE: EDGE OF DISCOVERY

PART 1/5

AUTHOR: An IRC Round Robin by: Eraygun(Eraygun@aol.com);
Misha(mhall@sound.net); Moonsy(mandyc@lcc.net); zoomway(zoomway@aol.com);
CarmsFOLC(msrfolc007@aol.com); chrispat(cp13607@aol.com);
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SUMMARY: Another story in our Unintentional Season. Morgan Edge decides to
delve into Superman's past in hopes of finding a way to destroy him once and
for all. Meanwhile Lois and Clark receive some startling news about
Lois'pregnancy.
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[Eraygun]

Night was falling over Metropolis and from the balcony of his apartment
Morgan Edge stared sullenly at the city lights and poured another shot of
liquor into his glass.  He quickly swallowed the glass's contents and
grimaced slightly as the alcohol burned the back of his throat.  As the
skies
over Metropolis grew darker, so did Edge's mood as he brooded over the mess
his life had become.

A few short weeks ago he'd been the editor of Newstime Magazine, and he'd
been respected, even feared.  He was well on his way to becoming one of The
Powers That Be in Metropolis.  But now all that was changed and it was all
because of Superman.

"Superman," Edge muttered, as he downed another drink. That meddler had not
only cost him his job, he'd almost cost him his life. After the debacle on
TV, it took every ounce of charm he had to convince Mindy Church that he
could still be useful to her, even if it was just as a lackey or a gofer.
And
he still wasn't sure he'd been completely successful in convincing her. He
was hanging by a thread and he knew it.

Edge dropped his glass when the silence in the apartment was broken by the
ringing phone. Fearful that it might be Mindy summoning him to perform her
late-night errands, he dashed inside to answer it.

"Morgan Edge?" an unfamiliar male voice asked.

"Who is this?"

"A friend. I figure you need one right about now."

"How do you know what I need?" Edge snarled.

"I know a lot of things about you.  But that's not important right now.
What's important is  that I have something for you."

"Look, I don't have time for games--"

"I assure you, neither do I, Mr. Edge. So if you're not interested in what I
have to offer I'll just hang up now."

Something in the mysterious voice was compelling, seductive.  Despite his
misgivings, Edge cried out in a voice laced with desperation. "No, wait!
Don't hang up! What is it you want?"

"As I said before, I don't *want* anything. I want to give you something."

"What?"

"Information."

"Information about what?"

"About Superman.  How would you like the inside scoop on Superman?  With it
you could have him on a silver platter."

Edge's hands began to shake. This could be it, he thought. His chance to get
back at that costumed clown. But he was still wary.  "Why do you want to
give
this information to me?"

"Let's just say I admired your work at Newstime.  It was about time someone
showed that alien up."

Edge smirked. At least his unknown caller had good taste.

"So are you interested?"

"Maybe. What do you have?"  Edge grabbed an pencil and pad of paper and
began
frantically scribbling notes as the voice on the phone rattled off
addresses,
telephone numbers and directions. He was still wary, but what did he have to
lose?  And if this caller was for real he would have a way to get Superman,
and maybe show up that harpy Lois Lane and her idiot husband Clark Kent
while
he was at it.

[Misha]

*   *   *

The ancient metal desk creaked alarmingly as Morgan Edge draped himself
across it and smiled at its occupant.

The harsh tap of typewriter keys stilled, and in the ensuing silence, Edge
could almost feel the laser gaze as it passed up from his hands to the top
of
his head. He shifted his feet, achingly aware of the scuff on his loafers,
but reminded himself that only Superman could see through metal desks.

His assessor sniffed, loudly, pushed her glasses back up her nose again, and
resumed typing. "What is it you wished to inquire about, Mr. Edge?" Her
voice
was oddly soothing, at odds with her entirely military posture and the
clothing that should have gone out of style in the forties.

"Mrs..."

"Sergeant." The mild reproof in her voice had quelled better men than he.

Edge remained oblivious. "Sergeant Tarna ..." He paused to brighten the
intensity of his smile. "I was told that you might be able to help me out."

The clatter of typewriter keys did not cease. "Perhaps."

"You knew a Mr. Trask, did you not?"

Silence filled the room for a long moment. "Colonel Jason was one of the
finest men I have had the privilege of serving under." Her beautiful voice
quavered, and a single tear glittered in the corner of one eye, magnified by
her glasses. "His death was truly tragic..."

Edge nodded and leaned closer as she spun her tale.

***

Lois tapped her fingers impatiently on the edge of Dr. Klein's desk. The lab
was completely deserted, with nary a scientist in sight. She sat heavily in
the chair behind his computer and watched the screensaver tumble across the
screen. Finally, bored stiff, she reached for the mouse.

[Moonsy]

With a slight twist of her wrist the screen saver disappeared and she was
met
with the often absent-minded scientist's desktop.  Much as she'd imagined it
might be, it was chaotic.  Files were strewn about, mingled with folders
that
bore names of things Lois didn't even have the energy to ponder.  But tucked
inconspicuously in the left-hand corner of the screen stood a lone icon.
The
familiar pack of cards and the word Solitaire greeted Lois like a welcome
friend.

She double-clicked on the icon and began a game, stifling a giggle as she
noticed that the doctor had found a way to customize the card backs. She sat
dumbfounded at the half-clad medieval women that adorned the computer cards.
Before she had the chance to ponder this new facet of Dr. Klein's
personality, she heard the unmistakable sound of her husband's voice in the
hall.  She quickly tried to close the game but wasn't fast enough and found
herself under their close scrutiny.

She managed to look sheepish as Dr. Klein's face turned red, the blush
travelling up to his ears.

"I ...I ... my ... nephew gave me that game for Christmas last year as a
joke.  I never really got around to deleting it."  He hurriedly removed the
game from the screen and took a deep breath.  After he'd let it out slowly,
he began talking again, finally regaining his composure. "But enough about
me.  We're really here to talk about you two."

[zoomway]

"Good," Lois sighed. "I wanted to ask you...I wanted to know..."

Clark smiled and nudged Lois with his shoulder. "Go ahead, honey."

Klein folded his arms. "Yes, Lois, you can ask me anything."

"Anything? Thanks. Well, you see ... it's a little more difficult having sex
now..."

Klein tugged his collar. "R-Really?"

"Don't worry," Clark reassured. "That's *not* what she was going to ask."

Lois shrugged. "Spoilsport."

Klein sighed with relief. "Thank heavens. What *did* you want to ask?"

"Am I supposed to be this big already? I mean, I feel like a beach ball with
legs."

Klein smiled. "Well, I haven't taken a look at the sonogram we took last
week
...I was saving that for your visit. But all signs so far point to a normal
pregnancy, Lois."

"I know I've been eating more..." Lois interrupted herself and without
looking, jabbed Clark with her elbow. "I *know* he's nodding his head."

Klein looked astonished. "That's amazing. He *was* nodding. Is that psychic
connection getting stronger?"

Clark laughed. "Only the husband and wife kind."

"I see," Klein smiled and began to leave the room, turned back, unplugged
the
computer, and then exited.

Clark put his hand on Lois' shoulder. "You want to talk about that
'difficult
sex' thing now?"

Lois laughed and covered his hand with hers. "Only if there's
illustrations."

"Ooh," he purred and kissed her temple. "You're fine, honey," he whispered,
knowing she was still preoccupied with thoughts that something might be
wrong, or not 'normal'.

"Thanks," she whispered, and turned to kiss him. The kiss barely got under
way when Klein returned. Lois reluctantly pulled away, but loved that
Clark's
face lingered in 'pucker' mode a few seconds after the interruption.

Klein cleared his throat, flipped on the fluorescent panel, and put up the
sonogram. "I know this isn't exactly how things go at hospitals or a
well-equipped OB-GYN clin...oh, lord!"

Lois gasped. "What?! What is it, Dr. Klein?"

Continued in part 2 of 5
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SUMMARY: Another story in our Unintentional Season. Morgan Edge decides to
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for all. Meanwhile Lois and Clark receive some startling news about
Lois'pregnancy.
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[zoomway]

"Take it easy, honey," Clark said, and held her close. "It's not bad
news...is it, Dr. Klein?"

Klein, apparently robbed of breath, tapped the image. "Twins! Lois is
carrying twins!"

Lois' jaw dropped. "B-but wouldn't that kind of information come out in a
matter of weeks ... not *months*?"

"Twins," Clark said, the astonishment in his voice unhidden.

Klein wiped his forehead. "Yes, Lois, normally ... but I don't have the
equipment here, and I can't exactly *ask* for the equipment without raising
suspicions, and..."

"We made *twins*..." Clark was still lost in his own world.

[CarmsFOLC]

"Twins ... Oh boy," was all Clark managed before falling in a dead faint.

"Clark!" Lois quickly rushed to his side followed by Dr. Klein carrying a
glass of water. He poured the water on Clark, who came awake sputtering.

"Wha...what happened?" he asked, wiping the water off his face.

"Oh, honey are you all right?" Lois helped Clark sit up and gave Dr. Klein a
glare. "Was the water really necessary? I'm sure he would have waked up on
his own."

"Oh, well, I didn't know what to do...I didn't...I didn't expect Super...I
mean Clark to faint," Dr. Klein said apologetically as he gave Clark a paper
towel.

"Dr. Klein, did I hear you right?" Clark asked with a bewildered yet happy
look on his face. "We're going to have twins?"

"Yes, you did. It came as a surprise to me too. I didn't expect this... the
ramification of this situation...I never even considered it." Dr. Klein
walked to one of the nearby tables and picked up several printouts. He
muttered to himself once in a while, completely forgetting Lois and Clark's
presence.

Clark cleared his throat. "Excuse me, Dr. Klein?"

"Oh, sorry about that. I was just trying to figure out what this might mean
... but I need more time."

Lois looked at Clark for support before she turned to Dr. Klein. "Just tell
us one thing. Are the babies all right?"

"Oh yes, they are, my dear."

Lois gave a sigh of relief and looked at her watch.

"Clark, we need to get back to work. Thank you, Dr. Klein. We'll call back
later."

[chrispat]

***

Morgan Edge stroked his moustache as Sergeant Tarna returned to her
typewriter. Hmmm, he thought. So in the 60's Trask found a small spacecraft
near Smallsomething in the heartland of America and it had Superman's symbol
on it.

He went into his office, gazing around with distaste at the cramped and
dingy
cublcle that had been tucked into a corner of the huge warehouse, then
shrugged. It wasn't what he would chosen, but if having to work in these
conditions meant he could get rid of that super pain in the butt and the
equally infuriating Lane and Kent *and* get him back in Mindy Church's good
graces, he would make the best of it.

At least he had a computer, no matter how antiquated. Sighing, he turned it
on and signed on to the internet. Thirty minutes later, he picked up the
phone, and thirty minutes after that, headed out of the office on a
mysterious errand.

Sergeant Tarna watched him leave and then picked up the phone herself.
"Okay.
He took the bait." She smiled at the response, hung up and went back to her
typing.

*   *   *

Meanwhile, Lois and Clark were on their way back to the Planet. The shock of
Dr. Klein's revelation had worn off a bit, and Lois was in full panic mode.

"Clark!!! I can't have twins!!! I don't even know how to look after one
baby,
let alone two!!!"

Clark deftly avoided the biker who almost swerved into their lane. "Did you
say something, honey?" he asked absently.

Lois smacked him on the arm. "Claaark," she wailed. "We're having two
babies!!!"

"Oh. I know...I wonder if multiple births are common for Kryptonians."

Lois glared at him. "What's the matter with you? *We* are the ones having
these babies. You and me, not some hypothetical Kryptonians!"

Clark pulled into their usual parking space and turned off the car. He
stared
into space for a minute or two and turned to Lois, reaching out to cup her
cheek in that loving way of his. He broke into a huge smile. "Lois. We're
having twins!"

[Eraygun]

Lois shook her head and smiled back at him. "It's times like these I wonder
if there really is intelligent life on other planets."

"What, honey?"

"Never mind, Clark."

Clark grinned sheepishly as he helped Lois exit the car and began
shepherding
her up to the newsroom. "I know I'm a little distracted, honey. But this is
all just so amazing..."

"I know Clark. It is *amazing*, but --"

"And I can't wait to tell my Mom and Dad, and Perry and Jimmy, and of course
your folks..."

"Clark..."

"And we need to get another crib and a *lot* more diapers and..."

"Whoa, time out," Lois said as she sat down on a bench in the lobby of the
Planet.

"Is something the matter, honey?" he asked as he sat down beside her.

"No, nothing's wrong. I just need to catch my breath. This is all happening
so fast."

"Lo-is, I know you're nervous about it, but don't be. We can handle this."
Clark beamed.

"You really think so?"

"It will be a piece of cake."

Lois flinched. "I think I would have felt better if you hadn't phrased it
quite that way."

Clark frowned in momentary puzzlement. "What?"

[Melisma]

He studied her carefully. "Oh," he said. "Don't tell me you're getting
cravings again."

"Well... A teeny piece of cake would do it," Lois allowed. "And maybe some
ice cream..."

"Wait right here, honey... Chocolate cake, right?"

"Uh-huh, and... oh, surprise me with the ice cream."

Clark looked around, then supersped to fetch the cake and ice cream,
returning in a minute flat. "Will Rocky Road do?" he asked, handing over a
brown paper bag.

"I thought you would have avoided *that* flavor at any cost," Lois teased.
She had told Clark about Sarah Goodwin and her ice cream metaphor, and he'd
smiled, but ...

Clark pushed the elevator call button as she dug into her snack. "They were
out of chocolate," he muttered, as the doors opened and they entered the
elevator.

[Misha]

***

"Sir, there's a Rachel Harris in Smallville, Kansas, and a Robert Harris in
Smalltown, Nebraska. Which number do you want?"

Edge tapped the tip of his pencil on his notepad and attempted to decipher
his handwriting again. 'R. Harris kls Trsk, mdl of nowhere, Sml?'... Was
that
a 'v' or a 't'? he muttered as he squinted harder and pulled the paper
closer. "Er, ah ... Robert Harris, please."

"Do you wish to be connected, sir?"

Edge smiled wolfishly. "Please."

"Smalltown Sheriff's office."

"Sheriff Harris?"

"Yeah?"

"I've got a couple of questions to ask you."

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[Misha]

Twenty minutes later, Edge hung up. He was certain the sheriff was hiding
something. He'd started stuttering the moment he'd mentioned the summer of
1966, and had categorically denied that anything had happened at the Corn
Festival a few years back. Especially when the good sheriff had explicitly
denied finding a dead body in a pond during the middle of the Corn Festival.
With his friend who'd moved to Metropolis ... Morgan spun in his chair. Next
stop, Smalltown Gazette archives.

In less than three hours, he was leafing through old photocopies of ancient
microfiches dating back into what Edge could have sworn was the last
century.
He wrinkled his nose. They even smelled dusty, and they had just come over
the fax.  "Okay, Charlie King, what have you been doing with your life...?"

* * *

Halfway across the world, in the stark serenity of a boardroom, a tall man
looked out over the Tokyo skyline. "King here."

"Charlie? That you?"

"Rob? What's up?"

"Hey, buddy, there was this guy who called here today. He was asking about
the body we found."

"Body?"

"The one in Barrett's Pond. Remember? We found it during the Corn Festival?"

"So? There have only been two dead bodies found in Smalltown in thirty
years.
Some poor guy fell into the pond and we found his body or, what was left of
it. Nothing mysterious about that. What's got you so spooked that you'd
spring for a long distance call to Tokyo?" The man sounded amused.

"I don't like strangers poking their noses into Smalltown's business, that's
all. He was calling from Metropolis -"

"Maybe they're trying to i.d the man -"

"And he was real nosy too- askin' about yer folks, and Lisa, and Maggie at
the Gazette said he called her there too, after he talked to me."

"He asked about Lisa?"

"Yeah."

Charlie dug out his wallet, and opened it in front of him on the table. His
finger traced the outline of the picture inside. "We didn't do anything
wrong. It's probably nothing, Rob ... "

"I dunno, Charlie."

"But I'll call Lisa anyway."

"Okay. Tell her to give the rugrat a kiss from me."

"Sure thing."

***

[Moonsy]

After reading the formal biography of Charlie King, Morgan Edge sat back in
his chair, a wicked smile on his face.  The pieces fit.  King lived in
Metropolis, held a position that could account for him traveling around the
world, and he was linked to a town where Jason Trask had likely died. Died
trying to uncover the same secret that Morgan felt he was getting closer to
now.

He flipped through a few other pages containing information about King and
found that he was currently on business in Tokyo and that he had a wife and
child.  All this intrigued Edge and he started to form a plan, but before he
could plot out the course, the radio quietly playing on his desk caught his
attention.

" ...  Sources say Superman has been spotted in the Tokyo skies.  No
apparent
disasters have been reported, so it leaves us to wonder what the Man of
Steel
is up to.  Could it be romance pulling him to the other side of the planet?
In other news . . . "

Morgan flipped the button that would silence the perky newscaster. Charlie
King was in Tokyo on business and now Superman shows up in Tokyo with no
disaster in sight? Coincidental? Edge wondered. Or just the connection I'm
looking for?

[zoomway]

***
"I feel guilty," Lois said as she set the plate on the coffee table.
"Yesterday, sushi from Tokyo, tonight, paella from Spain. You're spoiling
me,
Clark."

Clark sniffed her neck and kissed it. "Don't smell spoiled to me."

"I'm serious," she smiled, and touched his knee. "I told you two years ago
you had to stop doing this kind of thing."

"And *I* said," Clark replied, taking her hand in his, "making you happy
makes me happy."  He kissed her hand. "Let me be Superman for you for a
while, honey." His voice was light, but his eyes showed concern. "I...I'm
feeling kind of...protective of you right now."

Lois stroked his cheek. "I'm fine, Clark. The babies are fine. Trust me, I
can tell," she said and took his hand and placed it on her stomach. "See?
They must be playing volleyball."

Clark shook his head. "How do you get any sleep with that going on?"

Lois shrugged and with Clark's help rose from the sofa. "They sleep too, and
so should we. It's back to work tomorrow."

Clark moaned. "Don't remind me. I'm still on European time."

"Poor baby," Lois teased as they approached the stairs. "I just asked for
dinner, I didn't ask you to dedicate a new highway in Madrid."

"Well...they did name it after me. It only seemed fair."

"Then we'll name one of the babies after you, and you can do the ribbon
cutting."

"Very funny."

[Melisma]

***
The next morning Lois and Clark stepped out of the elevator into the babble
that was the City Room.

Jimmy, spotting them at the top of the ramp, shouted, "Lois! CK! Someone
just
called here looking for Superman - wants you to get ahold of him ASAP!"

"Right! We're on it, Jimmy." Clark took the paper Jimmy had copied the
message on and hurried over to the phone. Lois watched as he dialed the
number, spoke to someone briefly.

"What is it, Clark?" she said softly, coming up behind him as he stood and
tugged on his tie.

"Someone just kidnapped this woman's daughter and grandchild. He said that
he
knew her son-in-law was Superman and that if she ever wanted to see them
again... I was afraid of this..."

[zoomway]

Lois pulled Clark's sleeve and they headed for the privacy of the conference
room.

"What's going on?" she asked as she shut the door. "Superman's wife and
child?"

"Honey, believe me, I have no idea what's going on. I *promise* you Superman
does not have another wife and child."

"I know that, Clark," Lois said gently. Less gently she added, "Besides, if
he did, invulnerable or not, he'd be a dead Superman." He laughed, but Lois
could hear the nervousness he was trying to cover. "Clark, it's *not* me.
It's not *our* babies."

"I know that, honey, but this is the kind of stuff I have nightmares about."

She grabbed his tie and kissed him. "It's someone *else's* nightmare, Clark.
They need Superman."

He nodded. "I'll talk to the officer who reported it."

"I love you," Lois whispered to the closing door.

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[CarmsFOLC]

As Clark left to check out the crime scene, Lois asked Jimmy to pull up
everything they had so far. He gave her the number of the person who'd
called, and after talking to the distraught woman and getting the names of
the victims, she turned to the computer files. Noting the similarities
between the family histories of Clark and the father, she wondered who else
might have been researching Mr. Charles King.

"Jimmy! Can you find out who's looked at this information in the last few
days?"

"Sure thing, Lois." He sat down at her desk and she watched as he tracked
the
information through a series of databases. King's files had been accessed
often in the preceding three days, and, according to Jimmy, whoever was
doing
it was getting in through a Newstime account.

He pointed to the screen. "Morgan Edge. When he got kicked out as editor of
the magazine, he left himself a nice little back door into their computer,
Lois. Didn't even bother to use an alias."

"Typical arrogance." Lois stared at the name on the monitor. "What are you
up
to, you slimy creep? And what does this poor man's family have to do with
you
*or* Superman?"

[Eraygun]

***
"I didn't expect to see you here, Inspector," Clark said as he landed in
front of a large well kept home in the suburbs of Metropolis. "Isn't this a
little off your turf?"

Henderson nodded. "Normally it would be, but if anything involving you
happens, I get the call..."

"Bill, this isn't my fam--"

Henderson held up his hand and directed Clark to follow him inside the
house.
"I already know somebody has made a big mistake. The woman who was kidnapped
is a Mrs. Lisa King, married to a Charles King." Henderson picked up a
wedding picture off the fireplace mantel. "And unless that suit is padded to
add fifty pounds or so, and you're using hair dye, I'd say he's got the
wrong
guy's wife."

"Not just his wife," Clark replied grimly.

Henderson sighed and nodded, "That's right. He took their little boy too.
Robbie, age three."

"But he left the mother-in-law behind. I guess to deliver the message to
me?"

Henderson smirked. "Actually, after you meet her you may decide she was left
behind for another reason."

"That bad?"

"She could be riding a broom sidesaddle."

Clark flinched a little. "Maybe I'll wait a bit before I talk to her. Do you
have a description of the kidnapper?"

"Yeah, we do, and it should sound familiar to you."

[Melisma]

Clark gritted his teeth in anger the moment Henderson passed the file over.
"Morgan Edge... I should have known it was him! He's been hounding me
forever, it seems."

"Calm down, Superman," Henderson said as soothingly as possible, recognizing
the angry-determined look in Clark's eyes. "If you let him get to you, he'll
have won."

Clark took several deep breaths. "Thanks. It's just so... frustrating, you
know. I thought we had nailed him last time. Did the mother-in-law have any
indication of where Edge was taking her daughter and grandson?"

"She said he said something about taking them back to Superman's roots...
But
that doesn't make sense, does it? You're from Krypton - how could he take
them back to Krypton?"

Clark thought for a minute. "I have an idea - why don't you let me check it
out, so we can bag this lunatic once and for all?"

At Henderson's nod, Clark took off and a few minutes later landed on the
roof
of the Daily Planet. After a quick change and flight down the back staircase
he strode over to his wife's desk.

"Hi, honey," he began, when she interrupted him.

"Clark, it's Edge... He's the one who kidnapped that poor woman and her
little boy." Her voice had tears in it, even if her eyes didn't.

"Shh... it's okay, honey," Clark whispered, trying to soothe her." I think I
know where he is. I think he's taken them back to Smallville... I'm heading
out there right now, but I wanted to check on you first."

"And I'm coming with you."

"Nuh-uh. This could get dangerous... I don't want to risk you or our
babies."

"But it's not just you... it's our family he's after," Lois protested.

[Misha]

Clark folded Lois into his arms, his hands coming down to cradle her rounded
belly. "He'll never get you, honey. I won't let him get close."

Lois sighed and settled into his embrace. "But he got to the King family. He
traced them to Smalltown, Nebraska."

Clark snorted and straightened a little. "Smalltown? But that's nothing like
Smallville."

Lois twisted and looked up at him. "You're kidding, right?"

Clark wrinkled his nose. "They're in Nebraska, honey. Cornhuskers all the
way. Completely different."

"Cornhu..." Lois let her head drop to his chest. "It's the Midwest, Clark.
To
Morgan Edge, there's Metropolis and LA and the rest is a big cornfield in
the
middle."

Clark sighed. "He thinks Superman's roots are in a cornfield. Great. Next
our
kids will be going to the University of Ne..."

Lois' head jerked up. "His roots? Is that where he said he'd taken them?"

"Yep."

"Honey, he hasn't had time to fly to Nebraska or Kansas, or South Dakota,
even! He's still here in Metropolis." Lois drummed her fingers against
Clark's chest. "Wait... where was the first Superman sighting...?"

"The launch site's too far away."

"Not a sighting, then... Where did he get the name Smalltown from...?"

"There's a Sheriff Harris up there in Smallt..."

"Who was the first to... Harris? Like Rachel Harris, who shot Trask ..."

"Bureau 39!" they shouted in unison, and Clark scooped up Lois and twirled
her around, his feet lifting off the ground for a moment.

"Clark, the fl...Mmph!"

Clark kissed her quickly, and set her gently in her chair. "I love you when
you're brilliant. I'll check out the warehouse and be right back."

"Clark, wait ... oh, all right." She patted her stomach. "You just wait,
buster. A few more months and I'll have backup."

[zoomway]

Clark began loosening his tie, but tipped his head, his eyes distant. Lois
knew the pose.

"What are you hearing?"

"Fire alarms on the other side of town."

"Go. I can phone Henderson."

Clark sighed. "All right... but, Lois," he said firmly. "Stay put."

Lois shrugged. "Where would I go?"
"Good," he smiled, and kissed her quickly. She picked up the phone as he
vanished.

"What's wrong with 911?" Lois said, holding out the receiver.

"Must be that fire on the East End," Jimmy said and nodded toward one of the
newsroom video monitors. "News bulletin just came on."

"Right," Lois sighed. "Clark told me about all the alarms."

"How would CK know?"

"Jimmy, do me a favor. When Clark gets back, tell him I went...furniture
shopping."

"Wait a minute," Jimmy said suspiciously. "You're not thinking of going to
that fire in your condition, are you?"

"Not at all," she said brightly. "I won't be anywhere near it."

"Okay," he smiled. "I think I'm as nervous as CK over the baby."

Lois returned his smile. "Don't forget the message," she said, and headed
for
the elevators.

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[zoomway]

Jimmy turned his attention back to LNN's live coverage of the fire. The
reporter on the scene pressed at his earpiece. "I've just been told that
Superman has arrived on the scene. He's quickly evacuating survivors..."

"All right, Superman," Jimmy grinned. The camera angle switched to Superman
taking several hoses at once into the building.

In less than ten minutes, the fire was out. Jimmy walked away from the
monitor in time to bump into Clark moving in the opposite direction.

"Sorry, CK."

"That's all right, Jimmy -- where's Lois? I wanted to tell her that I was on
my way to the...other assignment."

"You just missed her, CK. She said she was going furniture shopping, and..."

"Oh, man!" Clark said and sprinted past Jimmy.

He sped over the city and then hovered above the old warehouse. On the side,
the words Bessolo Furniture were still faintly visible. When Clark x-rayed
the building, he found Lois, another woman, a toddler, Edge, and a rather
severe-looking woman in neo-military garb all in a centralized office area.

There was no sign of immediate danger, but naturally a trap for Superman
meant there had to be one. He wasn't about to get the Lois lecture about
barging in without looking. He sighed. He wished he'd never told Lois that
he'd thought nothing of a giant cage hoisted to the ceiling in Lex's wine
cellar. Though every instinct told him to burst in and take his wife out of
there, Edge was not armed, so Clark decided to listen for a moment.

Edge looked nervous. He turned to the woman in the military suit. "If *she*
knows we're here, then her husband knows we're here, and *he* knows how to
get in touch with Superman."

The woman remained placid. "Isn't that what you wanted?"

"I didn't want him *here*! I don't have the kryptonite here. You said your
people would get me some."

"They have," she said, her calm unruffled. "We can go there if you like."

"What about *them*?" Edge asked, gesturing to his captives.

"I can call a cab," Lois sneered.

"That won't be necessary," a voice spoke from behind.

The little boy, who had appeared more bored than frightened, leaped to his
feet. "Syooperman!"

Clark smiled and picked up the child. "Hi. You must be Robbie."

"A father should know his own *son*," Edge said, with what little bravery he
had left.

Clark handed the child to his mother. "You and your son should wait outside,
Mrs. King. The police will be here shortly."

"Thank you, Superman," she said. She turned toward the door, but managed to
slap Edge before departing.

"That's your wife, Superman?" Lois asked innocently.

"No," Clark said, and then lifted Edge from the floor by the squelched front
of his jacket. "If it was, then this would be personal, and if it was
personal, I just might lose my temper."

"Lose it anyway," Lois encouraged. "You can always get it back later.
Happens
to me all the time."

"So I've heard, Lois," Clark said, but didn't take his eyes off Edge, who
had
suddenly gone a whiter shade of pale.

There was the sound of police sirens outside the warehouse and Edge visibly
sagged with relief. "Thank God."

"I guess you got off lucky this time, Mr. Edge, but here's a warning," Clark
said, and Lois knew by his tone he wasn't kidding. He wasn't even Superman
at
that moment. "If I ever have a wife, and someone like you goes after her,
there is *nothing* on this Earth that will stop me from getting to you."

Henderson walked in, followed by several uniformed officers. "Need me to
take
out the garbage?" he offered.

Clark set Edge down and Morgan's legs folded beneath him until he became a
human puddle on the floor.

"Well," Henderson said, looking down at the figure in the fetal position. "I
think we can put the pepper mace away." He motioned to two of the officers
who scooped the frail man from the floor and carried him outside.

"I guess you can take Ms. Lane home, Superman. Her poor husband is probably
there watching more of his hairs turn gray."

"Polish your pistol, Henderson," Lois said, to cover for Superman who was
turning away and trying not to laugh.

Henderson smiled. "You know, Lane, you're the only woman I ever thought was
tough enough for Superman," he said, and then patted Superman's arm. "But I
don't think he'd be tough enough for you."

Clark finally allowed the smile to escape. "You're right," he said, and
shook
Henderson's hand. He waited until he and the other officers had left, then
turned to his wife. "Lois, why can't you *ever* listen to me?"

Lois, ready for combat, looked into Clark's fearful eyes. "I do listen to
you, Clark," she said softly. "But I couldn't get through to 911 because of
the fire."

"I can appreciate that, honey, but this could have gone bad in a million
different ways... I just ... I worry about you so much."

Lois put a hand on his chest and with the other withdrew a piece of paper
>from her pocket and handed it to him.

Clark, still upset, sighed, glanced at the paper and read aloud, "'Regards
>from General Newcomb'... Burton Newcomb? The guy who helped us take down
Trask?"

"The very same," Lois said. "That woman who was here -- Sergeant Tarna, Edge
called her -- had that note taped to the door of the warehouse ... almost
like she knew I'd come."

Clark looked up. "Where'd she go? I didn't even notice her leave."

"I have a feeling she had her escape route planned. Now how about ours?" she
asked, and kissed his chin.

Clark bracketed her face with his large hands. "Lois, I want you to listen
to
me. I know you'll fight this, or get angry, but this is important to me
right
now, more than it ever has been." He took a deep breath. "Until the babies
are born, please don't do anything like this again."

Lois placed her hands on his. "I won't, Clark. I mean that."

Clark's eyes softened from urgency to disbelief. "You *mean* that?"

Lois pulled his hands from her face, but still held them. "When Edge
mentioned kryptonite, I got so scared, Clark. I wondered if it could
hurt..."
She became tearful.

Clark pulled her close. "I know," he whispered. "It's okay."

"It was the first time I realized that something you're vulnerable to,
*they*
might be, too ... and I promised *myself* this was the last time, even
before
you asked."

"I know this isn't easy for you, honey, but thank you."

"You're welcome," she grinned and kissed him. "Take us home, Clark."

He drifted off the floor with Lois in his arms. "I guess I better get used
to
three passengers from now on."

"Well," she said thoughtfully, "until they learn to do it by themselves."

"You think they'll fly?"

"Sure," she said confidently. "And won't be able to cook. A perfect genetic
blend."

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In a message dated 08/20/1999 8:48:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jessi914@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< I can have an unrealisticly tall
 mall! <g> >>

Jessi, I think there is a tall mall in NYC in Manhattan--one of those famous
buildings. Since they can't spread out wide like they do in the suburbs,
it's
tall.

--Laurie
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In a message dated 08/20/1999 10:08:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
chaste@CYBERHOTLINE.COM writes:

<< Pushing Irene to post Parts 5 & 6 so quickly
 sure has kept the list busy with well deserved praise for my favorite
editor. >>

And I suspect you will see more parts relatively soon. I have no spoilers,
as
I haven't read them yet, but I am convinced that they'll be just as
fantastic
as the earlier parts. :)

--Laurie (Irene's #1 fan)
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S
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This is absolutely brilliant, guys!  Congratulations on a job well
done. I was ROTFLMAO through the whole thing.  Poor Morgan.  He makes
such a clumsy villian.  I just loved how he got suckered in!

This was just the type of fun romp that I've come to expect from the
Round Robin crew.

Looking forward to the next one, and the one after that, and the one
after that, and ...

Irene
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How many months is Lois along in the RR storyline?

S
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R

S
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Well, I must say, you guys kept me on the edge of my seat as usual. I esp
like the part where Lois told Jimmy to tell Clark she had gone furniture
shopping and we all know that he knew she was not there.

I do think that Lois will make a great mother.  I know that they have
written it into the story that she is very apprehensive about it.  She is
the eternal pessimist whereas Clark is the eternal optimist.

Sue

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Date:         Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:48:56 -0500
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At 9:02 AM -0400 8/21/99, Eileen F. Ray wrote:

>SUMMARY: Another story in our Unintentional Season. Morgan Edge decides to
>delve into Superman's past in hopes of finding a way to destroy him once
and
>for all. Meanwhile Lois and Clark receive some startling news about

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Cute story, as always, RR gang.  S5 wrote L&C having a girl, TUFS wrote
them having a boy ... so it's only fitting that the "Unintentional Season"
give them twins! :)

When you finally finish this "season" up, you'll have to give me a list of
the stories in order.  We'll add an icon and theme page for you in the
Archive. :)

Any idea how many more stories?  Or is there no "season finale" planned?

Kathy

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Round Robin Group - ditto Irene's message - thoroughly enjoyed "Edge of
Discovery"
merry

Irene D. wrote:

> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> This is absolutely brilliant, guys!  Congratulations on a job well
> done. I was ROTFLMAO through the whole thing.  Poor Morgan.  He makes
> such a clumsy villian.  I just loved how he got suckered in!
>
> This was just the type of fun romp that I've come to expect from the
> Round Robin crew.
>
> Looking forward to the next one, and the one after that, and the one
> after that, and ...
>
> Irene
> sirenegold@yahoo.com
>
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I know I posted already to say how great I thought the overall production of
this zine was, but now I've had a chance to read some of the stories, so...

...unfortunately, RL hasn't given me the chance to do more than skim some of
them, but I wanted to say how much I loved Sheila's take on Lex and Clark
and Lois in In The Beginning. Even if she did give me a crisis of confidence
since I was embarking on my first go at Lex myself in Masques. Took me three
days to get over the certain knowledge that there was no way I was going to
be able to do justice to our favourite sociopath to match that one. And even
now I'm still approaching it in trepidation. <g> The air of menace between
Lex and Lois was powerful stuff. And the blossoming relationship between our
heroes familiar enough to be waffy and sweet, while being fresh enough to
keep me reading, enthralled, throughout. Nice ending too.

It was wonderful to see Doris writing a story using the very equipment that
the charity zine paid for - what a lovely touch. And I was impressed too by
the pleasant mixture of established authors, whose names we all recognise
instantly (those Goddesses who walk among us lesser mortals <g>) and new
authors.

Chris' 'sequel' to Kansas was well worth the long (very long) time she made
us all wait for it. ;) Although, I'm holding you to that promise, Chris - I
want to see that first flight eventually.

All in all, this zine has given me a couple of evenings of real pleasure -
reminding me of when I first found FoLCdom and the Archive and would print
off huge reams of stories all evening and then settle down with them, curled
up in the sofa with a mug of tea, in the early hours of the morning. And it
looks set to give me many more too, when I get the chance to read the rest
of the treasures it undoubtedly contains.

And....is this a hint on the front cover? Spring-Summer 1999. Can we hope
for a Spring-Summer 2000 at some point? She says crossing her fingers.

Congratulations, guys!

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@ukf.net

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I read this one first thing this morning, and it's a great story to wake up
to.
Poor Morgan!  He really ought to give up his revenge thing before he gets in
any
deeper, don't you think?  He's the perfect example of how a villian
shouldn't ply
his trade, that's certain.  I loved it!

Just an aside, how does one get to the IRC to sign up?  I haven't a clue,
and
need some help!

Nan
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At 3:14 PM -0700 8/21/99, Nancy Smith wrote:

>Just an aside, how does one get to the IRC to sign up?  I haven't a clue,
and
>need some help!

In a nutshell, you download an IRC program, install it, and get connected.
:)

If you use a PC, mIRC is the most popular IRC program with the FoLCs.  You
can download it (free, I beleive) at www.mirc.com.

If you use a Mac, Ircle is the program I recommend.  You can get it at
www.ircle.com.  It is a $15 shareware program, but you can use it free for
30 days to see if you want to buy it.

Once you get the program installed, follow the directions for setting it
up. (I can help anyone with Ircle, and there are many mIRC users who I'm
sure will be happy to help if you need it.)

To chat with us on IRC, you need to choose an *undernet* server. This is
important since there are several choices for servers out there.  Undernet
servers are numerous, and your program will probably list several options
to get you started.  A popular one is washington.dc.us.undernet.org, but
there are many others.

Once you get connected, you can type /join #channelname (#l&cfanfic,
#loiscla, etc.) and you'll enter the room. That's all there is to it. :)

If you (or anyone else) have any quesitons, feel free to email me privately
or via the list.

Good luck,

Kathy

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Just thought I'd mention that as I was flipping channels tonight, I came
upon Washington's News Channel 8's "Entertainment Forecast" in the midst
of an interview with Teri Hatcher.  I don't know how much of it I missed
and since I know it's a replay from the past week, you may have already
heard about it or someone may have taped and uploaded it. (Don't know
cause I am notoriously unable to wait for any online videos to download,
so I haven't seen any.)

Anyway, the small bit I caught had the interviewer commenting that the
Isherwood stories portrayed Sally Bowles as a woman who let it all hang
out on the stage, no holds barred (or something like that.  I'm
paraphrasing). He asked TH if *she* was like that.  And she said,
although there were other ways in which she meshed with the character,
that that was one way in which she didn't. Not at all.  I assume she
means she's much more self-conscious on stage.  They then showed video
>from the play.  (Hmm, makes me wonder what characteristics she thinks
she does share with Sally Bowles.)

Finally, the interviewer said that the Washington audiences were
notoriously quiet and conservative(?) -- not sure about the second word
he used as I'm paraphrasing again. (Could have been clueless.<g>) He
asked if she found that daunting.  She said no. That that meant they
were listening very closely, paying attention.

No news here, really.  But, I believe they're rerunning this interview
one more time Sunday morning at 11:30 a.m. if anyone wants to see it,
tape it, and find out what D.C. audiences are *really* notorious for.

Sandy
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><< I can have an unrealisticly tall
>  mall! <g> >>
>
>Jessi, I think there is a tall mall in NYC in Manhattan--one of those
>famous
>buildings. Since they can't spread out wide like they do in the suburbs,
>it's
>tall.
>
>--Laurie

Really?  How tall?  How many stories? Maybe I can get away with my tall mall
after all.  Metropolis is supposed to be a bit like New York, right?

Jessi
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