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Okay, I think I've got more than half this time.

1. Don't know, but it sounds good
2. Would that be the Burbank part of Swapmeet by Debby?
3. It sounds familiar, but I don't think I've got it.
4. That's My Adventures With Superman by Kathryn Ann Kent.  Had to cheat and
look that one up.
5. Blind Leading The Blind by Pam Jernigan.  I love that one.  (Hear that
Pam?  I'll send you a full sized feedback letter when it's not a quarter
after midnight.)

There.  My new record.

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Date:         Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:12:51 CDT
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My apologies for everyone for not putting a spoiler space on my answers and
spamming the list now.  Like I said, it's a quarter after midnight.  So, if
you read this before you read my answers, and don't want to spoiled, here's
your warning.  Sorry about that.

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Date:         Thu, 29 Jul 1999 01:24:59 EDT
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In a message dated 7/28/99 9:20:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
sirenegold@YAHOO.COM writes:

<< I loved this cute little vignette. Shame on you for forgetting about it
 and not sending it to the archive!  Are there any more stories like
 this one floating around your disk drive? I hope so, and I hope you
 share them with us soon. (Okay, I'm done lecturing now!)  Without
 spoiling the story for others, let me say that you are the absolute
 master of taking a simple idea and hanging a whole story around it. >>

Thank you, Irene, and I didn't forget the little story on purpose <g>  I had
even had Klein mention a couple of things in technobabble mode that I'd have
him bring up again in Always Something There...., and I remembered the
babble, but not where I used it. Thanks again, Irene and Carol. Oh, and  I
want to thank Georgia for making the "I must be getting senile" wav for me
tonight too ;)

Zoom
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> >1) ...if she didn't come up with something pretty darn quickly, he was
>going to fly right out of her life.
> >
> >Fly! That's it!
> >
> >A sudden, flashing revelation soared in from somewhere, and she
>understood
>part of why Clark had run, er, flown away. >Various things that he'd said,
>various impressions that she'd received, coalesced in her brain as she got
>one of her famous >inspirations, and she knew what to say.
> >
> >"This is what you've always done, isn't it, Clark?" she demanded
>accusingly. "Run away? Flown away? Disappeared? Just >when things begin to
>get a bit sticky."
>  <snip>
>
>
>Wow, I can't believe no one's gotten this one yet.  Of course, I did just
>say that it's one of my all time favorites...
>s
>p
>o
>i
>l
>e
>r
>
>s
>p
>a
>c
>e
>
>"Meet Me In Kansas City" by Chris Mulder

Yes, I know I said I'd quit spamming but really, I'm beyond ashamed here.
How could I miss that?  I've read Meet Me In Kansas City three times!  I
never read anything more than once.  Maybe I need to force myself to read it
again. ;-)

Jessi

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In a message dated 7/26/99 4:41:20 PM EST, mandyc@LCC.NET writes:

<< >Lois's:  Lois's birthday is never mentioned.  We do know that she is a
 Libra. >>

When I heard Lois tell Star that she was a Libra, I jumped up and down
because i am a Libra too! <G> YAY!!!  I know you don't officially know when
Lois' bday is but it is either in September or October.  Personally i choose
October since that is MY bday month! ;)

Alexis ;-.)
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On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:39:12 EDT The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM> wrote:

> I promised
> myself I'd send it to the archive, and well, obviously forgot to not only
do
> that, but forgot once again that it even existed (I'll get a CAT scan ...
if
> I remember ;)

Zoom, I hereby ask you, plead with you, get down on my knees and
*beg* you to send this to the Archive *today*! I'll even be the
first to offer to be your editor ;)   I loved it - it's everything
I've come to expect from your short stories. It's funny, WAFFy and
totally in character. And I have never seen anyone write Dr Klein as
well as you do.

Only one question - just how did Carol know of the existence of this
story when the rest of us didn't? Huh? Huh?

Wendy
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Date:         Thu, 29 Jul 1999 04:51:20 -0600
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From:         Debby <Debby@SWCP.COM>
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At 08:05 AM 07/28/1999 -0500, Hazel wrote:

>
>S
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>E
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>S
>P
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>E
>

[snip]

>>8. <<As she surveyed the wreckage of eastside downtown Metropolis...
>
>See, Debby, twice in 24 hours! Does that induce you to work on part 23 of
>your short <cough> epic? This is the opening paragraph to Debby Stark's
>"Dawning" -- it's subtitle is "Cooking with Clark."

Yeah, I gotta quit my stupid job... send $$ :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
if my cat would get a job...
how much does schmoozing pay?
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Hazel wrote:

>Oh, and Yvonne: A personal request here? Please try to avoid formatted
>posts. It comes out terribly is replying, at least for me (using Eudora
>Light 3.0).
>

Sorry, Hazel, I've just switched email programs and I wasn't even aware that
I was sending a formatted post.  I'm using Outlook Express, and I thought
all that I'd done was shrink the font on my version of the message so that
it didn't display in giant-sized lettering.  I'd be interested to know how
this one comes out.

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Wendy wrote:
>
>Only one question - just how did Carol know of the existence of this
>story when the rest of us didn't? Huh? Huh?
>
Yeah, just what I was wondering, Wendy. Obviously she knows guys who know
guys. So, come on, Carol - fess up!
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Debby wrote:

> At 08:05 AM 07/28/1999 -0500, Hazel wrote:

> >See, Debby, twice in 24 hours! Does that induce you to work on part 23 of
> >your short <cough> epic? This is the opening paragraph to Debby Stark's
> >"Dawning" -- it's subtitle is "Cooking with Clark."
>
> Yeah, I gotta quit my stupid job... send $$ :)
>
> Debby
> Debby@swcp.com
> if my cat would get a job...
> how much does schmoozing pay?

Big time in D.C.  That's why they call them "fat cats."<g>  Sorry, sorry
-- very poor. Couldn't help it.

Sandy
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--- Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK> wrote:

 But I think I had sort of assumed
> that the really
> *great* writers, such as Sheila and Kathy and a
> number of others I
> could mention (they know who they are <g>), *know*
> that everything
> they publish is a gem and that we will absolutely
> love it. And I
> sometimes feel - or at least, I used to feel - that
> they won't want
> to be bothered with my feeble words telling them how
> much I enjoyed
> their work.

I've felt the same way, Wendy. My writing skills are
poor at best and my attempts to explain how I feel
about the stories never come out quite the way I mean
for them to sound. I wish you, as authors, could have
an idea how we wait for these works.There would not be
any doubt how much we look forward to and love your
material.

So while it may be only a "the story was great" or
"when can we expect another great story", or some
other short post, I will try to do better in letting
the authors know I've read their story and at least
give that much feedback. Our L&C fanfic has some truly
fantastic writers involved in it and I appreciate
their dedication and abilities--even if I'm lacking in
the ability to tell them exactly how.

Charlotte (ThreeD)
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Date:         Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:49:43 EDT
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<<Only one question - just how did Carol know of the existence of this story
when the rest of us didn't? Huh? Huh?

Wendy>>

I'm not sure, but I think I must have got the story from the AOL (or would
that be Warner Brothers?) L&C fanfic folders that were up when the show was
still running.   I can't think where else it would have been.
S
P
O
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L
E
R
S
P
A
C
E

I kept the story because I thought it was wonderful -- the first one I read
that dealt with L&C's child finding out the secret.  How he played Sherlock
and dug for the clues was both funny and touching as was the scene where
Klein finds out, too.  Love revelation stories. :)  Of course, Zoomway just
dashes it off in a minute, no doubt one hand tied behind her back, and then
forgets about it --- just one of many. <g>  Sometimes I think that all we
newbie writers do, for the most part, is to rework & extend wonderful ideas
that Zoomway and Debby Stark, and a few others introduced  2, 3, 4 years
ago.

Carol
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In a message dated 07/28/1999 11:26:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:

<< I never did write to my favorite author and later
 > found out she had died. I waited too long and so missed the opportunity
to
 > tell her how much her stories had meant to me. It's one of my greatest
 > regrets in life.
 >
 > --Laurie

 What are you talkin' about?  I'm still alive!<g> >>

:P You mean I had to specify that this was LONG, LONG ago, way before L&C???
Naturally, I figured you'd all know that. <g>

--Laurie
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I too have been very remiss about sending feedback to authors but,
without trying to make excuses, sometimes there's a valid reason for
it.  How many times have we read emails from people who moan about how
far behind they are with their reading?  I was pretty up to date with
one notable exception - Season 6.  I am pleased to say that I had a
marathon printing and reading session and I'm almost up to date now -
I'll be reading Movers and Shakers later today.

This all means that I can now tell Sheila what a wonderful job she and
her editors did with her 3-part trilogy, "Turn Around", "Walk in My
Shoes", and  "Mirror, Mirror".  You captured emotions very well, your
plot was well thought out, and you tied up most of the loose ends. (The
only loose ends left were from the LL story which I realise were meant
not to be tied up, if that makes any sense <g>)

Sorry to be tardy with my praise.

Once again, well done, Sheila!

Irene

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Date:         Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:58:33 +0100
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Well, today's quiz is the 'How Well do you know your Revelations?'
challenge.

Rules as before, and please include a spoiler space.

Happy hunting!

Wendy

Extract 1:
        Just as she was about to call out to him, she noticed a jeep
suddenly appear around the blind curve in the road, speeding toward
the pileup, no possibility of not crashing into it.  And then, in the
dim light of the crescent moon, she saw something incredible.  In a
blur, Clark moved in front of the speeding jeep as if he intended to
stop it.  Lois felt a scream begin to rise in the back of her throat
and then it was over.  Clark was standing in front of the jeep, his
hand on the hood.  There had been no collision.  How could that be?
She watched as Clark, in a fast moving blur, disappeared back into
the darkness.
        Lois ran toward the jeep just as Matt Thomson got out. "Are
you all right?" He looked groggy and shook his head, as if to clear
it. "Yeah. Did you see what happened? I should be dead.  It was all
so quick.  I was half asleep and I skidded on the pavement coming
around the bend. The next thing I know I'm racing toward this pileup
and I can't brake the car fast enough.  I thought I saw a man but
that can't be possible."  He shook his head again and repeated his
question, "Did you see what happened?"
        "I'm not sure; it all happened  so fast."  But she was sure;
she was very sure about what she had seen.  She put it temporarily to
the back of her mind.  "You must be exhausted," she said.  "You can't
get back into the car in this state. Come with me. There's tea over
at the emergency van."
        They were walking toward the van when Matt saw Jenny,
dishevelled and her uniform blood spattered. She looked exhausted. He
hadn't called her before he left on his flight to Metropolis and now
he regretted it.  He might never have seen her again.
         Startled, she looked up at him.  "What are you doing here?"
        "I was on my home when . . ." he couldn't finish because she
had flung her arms around him and he found himself holding her
tightly, his face buried in her wet hair.
        She pulled away from him,  "I can't talk right now.  I'll see
you later?"
        "Come to my place when you go off duty."
        "Yeah," she turned back toward the wreck and he watched her
go.
        Clark came up toward them as she left.  Lois noticed the way
the rain had slicked his dark hair so that it clung damply to his
skull and wondered why she had never noticed his resemblance to
Superman before. <It had to be the glasses> she thought in disgust.
<and they were *new* ones and I still didn't notice. . . > She wanted
to yell at him, to run away from him, to turn herself in for
stupidity.  She did none of these things; instead she controlled her
feelings and said hi.

Extract 2:
        "You know, Clark...have you ever had the experience  of not
realising how much you value something until you no  longer have it?
And it was something I gave up voluntarily, but  that doesn't make it
any easier."
         Clark gripped her hand a little tighter.  "Look at me,
Lois."
        She glanced at him, but her thoughts were elsewhere and her
gaze wandered.
         "Lois, didn't I tell you that you'd made the right choice?"
        There was a pause, and then suddenly Clark's words registered
with Lois, tired as she was.  She swung her gaze back to his face.
"Say that again, Clark," she said sharply.
         He continued to look at her intently.  "I said, I told you
that you'd made the right choice, and..."
        "...and I'd never regret it," she finished the sentence with
him.  She looked at him in horror, conscious of a rising sense of
panic inside her.  She wasn't with her best friend anymore, she was
with a stranger - or rather, not a stranger at all.  She felt a little
light-headed.  "Clark, are you trying to tell me what I think you're
trying to tell me?"
        "I'm sorry, Lois.  I had to know.  I had to hear you say it."
        Lois took a deep breath.  "Excuse me, Clark.  I think I need
some fresh air."  She went over to the window, threw it open and
screamed.

Extract 3:
        Lois scowled at the unexpected sight of her partner. She
hadn't even known he was still in Metropolis that morning. He was
supposed to be on his way home to Smallville for a week's vacation.
Just as she was about to hiss at him to let him know she was there,
he began to loosen his tie as he unbuttoned his shirt and she froze.
Her mind and her body simply ceased functioning.
         Clark was turned just enough towards her position as he
opened his shirt that she had a clear view of his chest. Stunned, she
watched as he continued moving steadily toward the stairs, all the
while glancing around and checking out his surroundings. Then
everything blurred as he began to move faster and faster until her
eyes could not separate the individual movements. Reaching the end of
the corridor of crates, he turned to face the wall and slowly rose to
the height of the windows on the office level.
         Her world seemed to tilt slightly and Lois realized abruptly
she'd been holding her breath. Long years of practice in the art of
staying calm in the face of danger came swiftly to her aid as she
closed her eyes and drew in a slow, shaky breath, as quietly and
evenly as she could manage. Instinct told her she was in danger even
though she could not quite identify its source. Ordinarily, she'd
have felt certain she was completely hidden and had the necessary
time to collect her wits, but this was not an ordinary circumstance,
by any means.
         When Lois managed to force herself to start breathing, she
slowly opened her eyes and looked towards the stairs once more. She
immediately realized her mistake because she found herself gazing
directly into two extremely intense brown eyes. Again she froze and
waited to see what he'd do. The part of her mind somehow managing to
work properly noted he was continuing to float at the second story
level and had simply twisted his head in her direction.
         For a lifetime, they stared at each other while the question
of what would happen next literally vibrated the air between them.

Extract 4:
        "Before you accepted Lex's proposal," he began, "you had a
conversation with Superman where you told him you would love him even
if he were an ordinary person."
  "Oh no, not this again," Lois moaned, burying her face in her
hands.
        "Lois, please bear with me. I need you to remember that
conversation."
        Lois sighed heavily, "How could I ever forget it?"
        "Lois, talk to me."
        She hesitated a long time before the words poured out. "I
told him if he were an ordinary man I would love him just the same."
Her eyes filled with tears as her voice shrank to a whisper.
        Clark reached for her hands. As he caressed them, he wondered
if he was going about this the right way.
         "What did he tell you?" he asked as gently as he could.
        Lois looked up. A tear rolled down her cheek. "He said, 'I
wish I could believe that, Lois, but under the circumstances, I don't
see how I can.'"
        To her surprise, Clark spoke Superman's words along with her.
Her voice trailed off at the end of the sentence and she stared at
him, her eyes wide. "How did you know about that?" she demanded, "I
never told anyone about that conversation! Did Superman tell
you?"
         "No."
        "No?" Lois' brow wrinkled in confusion. "Then how did you
know exactly  what he said?"
        Before Clark could open his mouth to answer, Lois exploded.
"I will never forget that day, the look of hurt on Superman's face,
the biting words he said!" She leaped up and paced the floor. She
stopped, hands on her hips and fired at Clark, "And now you  know the
exact words he used?!?"
        "Lois, please. Sit down and listen to me," Clark pleaded.  He
waited for her to calm down. "Lois, I'm trying to tell you... I'm
that ordinary man. And,"  he held up his hand as Lois opened her
mouth to interrupt, "I was hurting too."
        "What? What do...." her voice trailed off as the meaning of
what he'd said hit her like a ton of bricks. Stunned, she looked down
at her hands twisted together in her lap. To her, a light went on,
but she wasn't ready to face that light. Furthermore, she knew what
he was trying to tell her, but she wanted to be deaf. She wouldn't
even look at him. Her heart was beating so hard she thought it would
leap out of her chest. In her mind, the assumptions and fantasies she
had made about Superman went up in proverbial smoke.  The silence
between them was deafening.
        Clark reached out and gently lifted Lois' chin.  "Lois, I can
see you're afraid."
        She nodded.
        "I'm scared too. But Lois, I have to tell you--what I'm
trying to tell you is..."
        "...that you're Superman?" she finished the sentence for him,
her voice breaking.

Extract 5:
        "Lois..." Superman spoke again. "I... need to talk to you.
About what happened this evening."
        He was oddly hesitant. Lois was puzzled; Superman wasn't
normally like that. He was usually so sure of himself, so confident.
She realised that he must also be upset about Clark; after all, she'd
known the two were friends.
        She turned around towards him again, still clutching the
photograph to her chest. "Superman...?"
        He met her eyes. "Lois, there's something I need to tell
you." His voice was gentle, nothing like... Superman's. Lois wondered
what was going on. He continued to look at her, his gaze compelling.
        "Lois, look at me. Look hard. What do you see?"
        She stared, slowly... beginning to comprehend.
        "*Who* do you see?"
        Lois's mouth dropped open and the photograph frame slipped
>from her nerveless fingers. She stared into Superman's face...
        ...the face of...
        Clark.

Extract 6:
        The couple rose to their feet.  Lois could feel Clark's
reassuring hands on her shoulders.  The door clanged open loudly.  A
young man armed with an M-16, hurried through the opening.  His eyes
darted wildly until they fixed on the couple.  He raised his rifle.
After a moment, an expression akin to awe, washed over his face.
"What are you doing here?"
      Lois heard Clark's voice behind her.  "My girlfriend and I just
wanted to find a quiet place to be alone.  You understand."
        "Really?"  The young man asked, his expression shifting from
awe to incredulity.
     "Really." Clark said softly.  The young man smiled, and lowered
the rifle.  "I guess it never crossed my mind before, but hey--" he
shrugged.  "Why not?  Have a good time."
      "Thank you."
        The young man winked and began closing the door.  "By the
way, you've got great taste in women," he said, and gave the door one
last tug.
        Lois shook her head and began to turn.  "What was that all--"
        "I love you, Lois," said the man in the all too familiar red
and blue costume.
     Lois, like a computer being fed too much data, experienced a
sensory overload.  She fainted.  Clark grabbed her before she fell,
and held her in his arms. "That went better than I expected," he
smiled, and drifted up through the broken skylight with Lois.

Extract 7:
        "Tell me," she spoke conversationally, "what made you think
I'd talk to Superman when I just threw your alter ego off my porch?"
        Clark froze unsure that he had heard her correctly. She
laughed ironically at him, interpreting his stillness as guilt. "Oh
come on Clark, we are supposed to be best friends aren't we? Don't
you think disappearing on me for what? Five hours? Not that you
bothered to even try to give me one of your really bad excuses before
you went, is enough reason to finally come clean?"
        Clark turned slowly to face her, "Lois," he began
uncertainly, "I'm not sure I..." The look on her face stopped him and
he felt his insides twist, "I'm not sure I know what to say."
        "Why don't you start with were you were tonight? But do you
think you could change back into Clark first, somehow it's easier to
be mad at you when you're not wearing the suit." Lois laid her head
down on her arms and  contemplated him with one eye closed. "Course
it would probably help if there was only one of you. Hey, do you
think there are two of you because you lead two lives?" she asked
with interest.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:49:43 EDT "C.C. Malo" <Ccmalo@AOL.COM> wrote:
> Sometimes I think that all we
> newbie writers do, for the most part, is to rework & extend wonderful
ideas
> that Zoomway and Debby Stark, and a few others introduced  2, 3, 4 years
ago.

Absolutely! That is certainly what I did with 'A Conscious Choice,'
though I hope I did manage to make it sufficiently different from her
wonderful 'If You Can't Beat 'Em' to avoid being accused of
plagiarism. And, of course, there are the clear similarities between
my BBDF series and Debby & Margaret's SwapMeet, for which I hope I am
forgiven ;)

Wendy
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At 02:02 PM 7/29/99 +0100, Wendy Richards wrote:
>Absolutely! That is certainly what I did with 'A Conscious Choice,'
>though I hope I did manage to make it sufficiently different from her
>wonderful 'If You Can't Beat 'Em' to avoid being accused of
>plagiarism.

Wendy, could you please send me "A Conscious Choice"?  I don't have the
patience to cut and paste from the nfic boards, and I was waiting for it to
arrive via Joyce (Fitch), but since it hasn't appeared in my in-box, I'm
assuming you aren't distributing it that way.  As I told you before, I
thought it was wonderful, and I want to keep a decent copy :)

I have some comments for you re the last part of BBDF, but they also include
some suggestions re the balance of your A- and B-plots.  Do you want to hear
that kind of stuff or would you rather just have the parts where I tell you
I was really looking forward to getting part 3, and when I did, I felt happy
and satisfied, and that I loved the parts where (...fill in the blank.  I'll
tell you in my real letter about it...)?  Or do you want the suggestions
privately while I post the gushing parts to the fanfic list?  (I decided I'm
trying to encourage feedback :)

Sheila
(you already know that I'm over 18, won't distribute without permission, and
am so far from being offended by the nfic content that I would be offended
if you sent me a Bowlderized version, right? ;)
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Good God!  <babble mode engaged>  I'm so sorry!  I copied Wendy's addy and
could've sworn I'd pasted it into the To: line.  (I distinctly remember
highlighting the L&C addy to delete it.)  I don't know what happened, but
please forgive my posting what was intended to be private correspondence.
Especially to *this* list!  Oh geez, I'm sorry, Zoom.  Don't ban me forever.

Sheila
(maybe I should do penance:  shave my head, enter a nunnery, forswear
nfic--nah, that's too big a sacrifice ;)
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Oooh, oooh, I know these!!
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> Extract 1:
>         Just as she was about to call out to him, she noticed a jeep
> suddenly appear around the blind curve in the road, speeding toward
> the pileup, no possibility of not crashing into it.  And then, in the
> dim light of the crescent moon, she saw something incredible.

Recognition(Truth) by CCMalo

> Extract 2:
>         "You know, Clark...have you ever had the experience  of not
> realising how much you value something until you no  longer have it?
> And it was something I gave up voluntarily, but  that doesn't make it
> any easier."

Amantium Irae Amoris Integratio by Ruth Ellison (Rufus) (And I got three
of those words right before having to look up the spelling <g>)

> Extract 3:
>         Lois scowled at the unexpected sight of her partner. She
> hadn't even known he was still in Metropolis that morning. He was
> supposed to be on his way home to Smallville for a week's vacation.
> Just as she was about to hiss at him to let him know she was there,
> he began to loosen his tie as he unbuttoned his shirt and she froze.
> Her mind and her body simply ceased functioning.

I know I've read this, but I can't pin it down at the moment.  Same with
4 & 5

> Extract 6:
>         The couple rose to their feet.  Lois could feel Clark's
> reassuring hands on her shoulders.  The door clanged open loudly.  A
> young man armed with an M-16, hurried through the opening.  His eyes
> darted wildly until they fixed on the couple.  He raised his rifle.
> After a moment, an expression akin to awe, washed over his face.
> "What are you doing here?"

It's About Time, by Zoomway?

> Extract 7:
>         "Tell me," she spoke conversationally, "what made you think
> I'd talk to Superman when I just threw your alter ego off my porch?"

Champagne Truths, by Judith Tylke <g>

(btw, Judith has a new story out, and it's terrific!)

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Okay, Wendy,

I'm going to give this a try.

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1.  Recognition: Truth Cc. Malo
2.  Amantium Irae Amoris Integratio - Ruth Ellison
3.  Strategic Retreat - B.B. Medos
4. Don't Know
5. Sounds familiar but ...
6. Don't know but sounds like a lot of fun.
7. Know I've read it, enjoyed it but can't remember what it is. Sigh

Oh well, only 3 out of 7.

Looking forward to the answers.

Irene
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<<Rules as before, and please include a spoiler space.>>

Can someone recap what the rules are, please?

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#1: Recognition (truth) by Ccmalo
#2: Amantium irę amoris integratio
#3: Strategic retreat by B.B.Medos
#4: Two roses
#5: (Oh! That's too easy Wendy!) That Superman of Mine by Wendy Richards :))
#6: It's about time by Zoomway
#7: Champagne truths by Judith Tylke

I love revelation stories!!! (Ok, maybe that's obvious!)

Elena
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In a message dated 7/29/99 7:00:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<< Yeah, I gotta quit my stupid job... send $$ :) >>

So, Debby, how much do you need us to send?  Maybe we could take up a
collection <bg>.   Real life is annoying at times, isn't it?

Ann
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Well!! You sure know your revelations! This is just too easy today.
The current league table is as follows:

Elena got them *all* right! What do you do besides reading fanfic,
Elena?
Pam got 4 (1,2, 6 and 7)
Irene got 3 (1,2 and 3)

There are some really wonderful stories in there... maybe I shouldn't
say that ;) - but let me add that #2 is one of my own personal
favourites.

> <<Rules as before, and please include a spoiler space.>>
>
> Can someone recap what the rules are, please?

Author and title needed, that's all ;)

Wendy

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Lab dear, I decided it would be best to continue this discussion in a
private forum, esp considering the recent furor.

>>Lab, if I don't read it as nfic, and it isn't PG-13ed, I can't read it. So
>>why not cheer at the prospect of a well-written fic in a genre I love? :)
>>
>
>But you see I'd - obviously completely wrongly - gotten the impression from
>reading between the lines in our last discussion on the topic of nfic that
>you would only have read Burnout (or any other nfic) if it had been adapted
>to pg and that you didn't read pg13 either.  Which only goes to show how
>dumb it is to try reading between the lines. <bg>

No, not dumb at all. I *do* prefer PG to PG-13, especially now as the line
seems to grow increasingly blurred! But even if the religious principle to
avoid nfic didn't exist, I'd doubt I'd read it, simply because I don't
enjoy romances. I don't mind WAFFs (and I doubt I'd be a FoLC if I did!),
but a story without an A-plot of some kind or another is usually pretty
boring.

In the case of "Burnout," in a way, the B-plot *was* the A-plot, in that a
lot of it dealt with Lois struggling with past experiences and trying to
cope with her current one. But it was a good read that I wouldn't have had
you wouldn't have been kind enough to revise it for me and others like me,
and that's why you deserved that yay.

Yay!

Regards,

Hazel
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So, is it safe to send this out? I don't want to overwhelm everyone with
too many quizzes at once, but the others seem to have wrapped up by now. :)

This time, I thought I would try some of the funnier bits. So many
marvelous authors have given me LOL moments as I read. Why not share them?
:) Please, when you send in your replies, be a courteous poster and add
spoiler space to allow others the enjoyment of guessing!

Excerpt 1:

"What ... uh." Superman tried to mask his puzzled look. Pulling back, he
crossed his arms defensively. "What seems to be the problem here?"

"Superman, I put 60 cents into that ... that contraption." The man gestured
toward a soda machine with contempt. "I pushed that button, there." He
leaned forward, offering a re-enactment of the crime. "And then, what do
you think happened? Not one measly item deigned to come out. Zilch! Nada!"
he ended, indignantly.

Clark blinked behind the Superman facade. "You called for my help, because
you couldn't get a ... a beverage out of a vending machine?"

"Well!... I don't see how the nature of my distress should matter one way
or the other!" he replied, huffily. "For two years, I've been patronizing
this poor excuse for a convenience with minimal satisfaction. I cannot
tolerate its inconsistent performance any longer."

Clark blinked again and leaned forward to examine the machine himself.
"Okay.... Well, the address and phone number of the company that owns it is
displayed right here on the front."

"Ah-h, that's a crock of bull, Superman!" someone from the gathering crowd
yelled out.

"Yeah! The guy'll be lucky to get a sympathy kiss-off, let alone a refund,"
a second person offered.

"Be a nice Superman, and shake the machine for the gentleman," an old lady
suggested.

Excerpt 2: (actually, this one is the entire fic! :D )

Imagine for a moment that Lois and Clark are dating.  But Lois doesn't know
that Clark is Superman yet.  Lois falls asleep one evening at Clark's
apartment on the couch while they're watching movies.  Clark, not wanting to
wake her, lets her spend the night there like in The Prankster.  However, in
the middle of the night, Clark hears a noise.  He wanders into the kitchen,
the place where the noise came from, and finds Lois sitting at the kitchen
table.

CLARK: (a little surprised) Lois, what are you doing up?

LOIS: (accusingly) Did you think I wouldn't find out?

Clark's heart starts to beat overtime.  Oh no, he thinks.  Not now.  Not
when
she's not ready to know.

CLARK:  Is this about the fact that I'm Superman?

Lois takes an incredibly long pause.

LOIS: (confused) You ate the last of the Rocky Road.

Excerpt 3: (almost the complete fic here; sometimes the shortest ones are
the funniest ones!)

"The doctor said that we should try this.  The problem could be yours..."

"Lois!  Everyone is used to the original!  They'll ask questions."

"Just tell them that your mother made it for you, and your wife is making
you wear it."

"Yeah, right."

So, over Metropolis that night, Superman was sighted wearing boxers instead
of briefs.

Excerpt 4:

Clark returned to the bedroom and found two more empty bottles, a sight
which didn't do all that much for his peace of mind. Then he sat down on
the bed and stared thoughtfully at
the pictures taped to the mirror.

An object on the floor directly in front of her dresser caught his
attention and he walked over to pick it up. Holding it, he glanced back at
the two pictures and mentally ran through what she'd done.

At some point, Lois had wandered into her bedroom and confronted her two
BEST friends over their treachery. Since she didn't have them there in
person to wrap her little hands around their throats, she'd resorted to
storming at their pictures. Apparently, verbalizing her frustrations hadn't
held
enough satisfaction and she'd decided to turn both of them into the devils
they were.

Or, had become in her mind.

Clark glanced down at the magic marker in his hand and back at the two
images of Clark and Superman complete with horns, tails and pitchforks. The
two matching identical twin
images, because she'd apparently also decided since she couldn't take
Clark's glasses off in his picture, Superman needed them, too.

 AARRGGHH!

Suddenly all the broken dishes and overturned furniture made tons of sense.
It was a wonder the roof was still on the building.

Excerpt 5:

"How am I doing, Dad?"

"Much better.  Let's try a simulation."

"What?"

"Pretend you really have to change into what's-his-name to save someone,
put some heart into it!"

"Okay." Clark stood in full dress clothes, adjusting his shirt and tie.

Jonathan started to scream dramatically.  "Help, help! My cow is drowning!"

Clark just stared at his dad.

"Save the cow, help, any Superhero!"  Jonathan stopped and looked
disappointed.  "Son, the cow would be dead by now."

"Save a drowning cow?  Not a lot of cows in Metropolis."

"And there aren't many muggings in Smallville, I have to go with what I
know."

Clark smiled and shook his head.  His dad was having too much fun at this.
This father- son bonding ritual was never covered in any of the parenting
books.

"Try again."

Clark nodded and pretended to look nonchalant.  "Ready. I'm just a normal
citizen, walking down the street."

"Help!  Help, someone just mugged me and stole my cow!"
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Urg. Sorry for all that. It was *sposed* to go to Labrat alone. One of
these days I'll really truly master e-mail!

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# 1 is Recognition: Truth, by CCMalo
# 7 is Champagne Truths by Judith Tylke

Most of the rest are familiar, but I can't remember titles or authors.
Arggghh.

Ann
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Funny bits - what a great idea!

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> Excerpt 1:
>
> "What ... uh." Superman tried to mask his puzzled look. Pulling back, he
> crossed his arms defensively. "What seems to be the problem here?"

I've read it, but...

> Excerpt 4:
>
> Clark returned to the bedroom and found two more empty bottles, a sight
> which didn't do all that much for his peace of mind. Then he sat down on
> the bed and stared thoughtfully at the pictures taped to the
mirror.

Lois's Revenge, by BB Medos! I got one! (great fic, btw! I nearly
used this bit in the revelation quiz)

> Excerpt 5:
>
> "How am I doing, Dad?"
>
> "Much better.  Let's try a simulation."

I know this one too!! Quick Change, by Carla Humbert! *Very* funny!

Wendy
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Now that I'm taking a short break from writing, having finally finished a
fanfic, I can answer some of these. (And maybe write my own quiz, making use
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the "favorite fanfic moments" file I keep ;)

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#1: Charity Begins at Home by Sandy McDermin
#3: I know I've read it, but I can't remember the author or title...
#4: Another I know I've read but can't place.
#5: Quick Change by Carla Humbert

-Christy
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1) Meet Me In Kansas City, by Chris Mulder
2) Swap Meet: Burbank, by Debby Stark
3) Tempus Fugitive Revisited, by Kaz
4) My Adventures With Superman, by Kathryn Ann Kent
5) Blind Leading The Blind, by Pam Jernigan

Hazel is the clear winner here - she got 3 out of 5, and she was the =
only one to get - unaided - My Adventures With Superman (a delightful =
story written from a different perspective and one which I thoroughly =
recommend).

Jessi comes a very close second, only because she admitted she cheated =
and looked up No.4.

Diyan gets an honourable mention for being the only one to get Meet Me =
In Kansas City - I, too, was amazed that no-one got this earlier.  =
Perhaps it's because there's just so many good bits from this excellent =
story that it's impossible to remember them all.

Wendy and Debra G tie on two each, although I considered docking Wendy =
half a point for showing off by suggesting that No.2 could have been =
confused with Jenny Stosser's story (only kidding, Wendy <g>)

No-one got No.3, a very enjoyable re-write of the TV episode, although =
I'm sure many of you must have read this story.  For anyone who missed =
it, you'll find it on the archive.

Thanks for rising to my challenge.  This quiz-mastering is hard work, so =
hats off to all our quizmasters, and especially Wendy, for keeping us =
amused for so long.

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Sheila wrote:
>
>>Help, does this mean that 'President' Sheila has actually read some of my
>>work?
>>Gulp.
>
>President! <snork>  Some of your work?  Try *all* of your work (at least
all
>that's appeared in the archive or on the fanfic list).  Geez, Yvonne, you
>write really well.  Why on earth would I *not* read it--and enjoy it very
>much, I might add?
>

I'm going to print this and frame it!  Thank you, Sheila.

At the risk of turning this into a mutual back-patting exercise and no more,
I should say that I've enjoyed all of your stories as well, especially the
Season 6 'body-swap' ones, which opened up some fascinating insights
regarding gender which were pretty universal, yet particularly appropriate
in L&C.  The one thing I would have liked to see was Clark dealing with
Lois' monthly cycle, but as I think you may have alluded at the time, this
probably wasn't the time or place.

>(I could not write fanfic half so well, read I not fanfic more.  --with
>apologies <g>)

Yvonne's ignorance shines through: this is familiar, but I can't place it.
Can you help me out?

Yvonne
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Wendy Richards wrote:

> Well, today's quiz is the 'How Well do you know your Revelations?'
> challenge.

Okay, here goes:
Spoiler space follows:

#1 Not a clue.  Never read it.
#2 No idea.  Never read it.
#3 Strategic Retreat, I think the Author is BB Medos.
#4 I've read it but I can't place it.
#5 That Super Man of Mine--Wendy Richards (very sneaky, Wendy)
#6 It's About Time--Zoomway
#7 Champagne Truths--Judith Tylke

Nan Smith

>
>
> Rules as before, and please include a spoiler space.
>
> Happy hunting!
>
> Wendy
>
> Extract 1:
>         Just as she was about to call out to him, she noticed a jeep
> suddenly appear around the blind curve in the road, speeding toward
> the pileup, no possibility of not crashing into it.  And then, in the
> dim light of the crescent moon, she saw something incredible.  In a
> blur, Clark moved in front of the speeding jeep as if he intended to
> stop it.  Lois felt a scream begin to rise in the back of her throat
> and then it was over.  Clark was standing in front of the jeep, his
> hand on the hood.  There had been no collision.  How could that be?
> She watched as Clark, in a fast moving blur, disappeared back into
> the darkness.
>         Lois ran toward the jeep just as Matt Thomson got out. "Are
> you all right?" He looked groggy and shook his head, as if to clear
> it. "Yeah. Did you see what happened? I should be dead.  It was all
> so quick.  I was half asleep and I skidded on the pavement coming
> around the bend. The next thing I know I'm racing toward this pileup
> and I can't brake the car fast enough.  I thought I saw a man but
> that can't be possible."  He shook his head again and repeated his
> question, "Did you see what happened?"
>         "I'm not sure; it all happened  so fast."  But she was sure;
> she was very sure about what she had seen.  She put it temporarily to
> the back of her mind.  "You must be exhausted," she said.  "You can't
> get back into the car in this state. Come with me. There's tea over
> at the emergency van."
>         They were walking toward the van when Matt saw Jenny,
> dishevelled and her uniform blood spattered. She looked exhausted. He
> hadn't called her before he left on his flight to Metropolis and now
> he regretted it.  He might never have seen her again.
>          Startled, she looked up at him.  "What are you doing here?"
>         "I was on my home when . . ." he couldn't finish because she
> had flung her arms around him and he found himself holding her
> tightly, his face buried in her wet hair.
>         She pulled away from him,  "I can't talk right now.  I'll see
> you later?"
>         "Come to my place when you go off duty."
>         "Yeah," she turned back toward the wreck and he watched her
> go.
>         Clark came up toward them as she left.  Lois noticed the way
> the rain had slicked his dark hair so that it clung damply to his
> skull and wondered why she had never noticed his resemblance to
> Superman before. <It had to be the glasses> she thought in disgust.
> <and they were *new* ones and I still didn't notice. . . > She wanted
> to yell at him, to run away from him, to turn herself in for
> stupidity.  She did none of these things; instead she controlled her
> feelings and said hi.
>
> Extract 2:
>         "You know, Clark...have you ever had the experience  of not
> realising how much you value something until you no  longer have it?
> And it was something I gave up voluntarily, but  that doesn't make it
> any easier."
>          Clark gripped her hand a little tighter.  "Look at me,
> Lois."
>         She glanced at him, but her thoughts were elsewhere and her
> gaze wandered.
>          "Lois, didn't I tell you that you'd made the right choice?"
>         There was a pause, and then suddenly Clark's words registered
> with Lois, tired as she was.  She swung her gaze back to his face.
> "Say that again, Clark," she said sharply.
>          He continued to look at her intently.  "I said, I told you
> that you'd made the right choice, and..."
>         "...and I'd never regret it," she finished the sentence with
> him.  She looked at him in horror, conscious of a rising sense of
> panic inside her.  She wasn't with her best friend anymore, she was
> with a stranger - or rather, not a stranger at all.  She felt a little
> light-headed.  "Clark, are you trying to tell me what I think you're
> trying to tell me?"
>         "I'm sorry, Lois.  I had to know.  I had to hear you say it."
>         Lois took a deep breath.  "Excuse me, Clark.  I think I need
> some fresh air."  She went over to the window, threw it open and
> screamed.
>
> Extract 3:
>         Lois scowled at the unexpected sight of her partner. She
> hadn't even known he was still in Metropolis that morning. He was
> supposed to be on his way home to Smallville for a week's vacation.
> Just as she was about to hiss at him to let him know she was there,
> he began to loosen his tie as he unbuttoned his shirt and she froze.
> Her mind and her body simply ceased functioning.
>          Clark was turned just enough towards her position as he
> opened his shirt that she had a clear view of his chest. Stunned, she
> watched as he continued moving steadily toward the stairs, all the
> while glancing around and checking out his surroundings. Then
> everything blurred as he began to move faster and faster until her
> eyes could not separate the individual movements. Reaching the end of
> the corridor of crates, he turned to face the wall and slowly rose to
> the height of the windows on the office level.
>          Her world seemed to tilt slightly and Lois realized abruptly
> she'd been holding her breath. Long years of practice in the art of
> staying calm in the face of danger came swiftly to her aid as she
> closed her eyes and drew in a slow, shaky breath, as quietly and
> evenly as she could manage. Instinct told her she was in danger even
> though she could not quite identify its source. Ordinarily, she'd
> have felt certain she was completely hidden and had the necessary
> time to collect her wits, but this was not an ordinary circumstance,
> by any means.
>          When Lois managed to force herself to start breathing, she
> slowly opened her eyes and looked towards the stairs once more. She
> immediately realized her mistake because she found herself gazing
> directly into two extremely intense brown eyes. Again she froze and
> waited to see what he'd do. The part of her mind somehow managing to
> work properly noted he was continuing to float at the second story
> level and had simply twisted his head in her direction.
>          For a lifetime, they stared at each other while the question
> of what would happen next literally vibrated the air between them.
>
> Extract 4:
>         "Before you accepted Lex's proposal," he began, "you had a
> conversation with Superman where you told him you would love him even
> if he were an ordinary person."
>   "Oh no, not this again," Lois moaned, burying her face in her
> hands.
>         "Lois, please bear with me. I need you to remember that
> conversation."
>         Lois sighed heavily, "How could I ever forget it?"
>         "Lois, talk to me."
>         She hesitated a long time before the words poured out. "I
> told him if he were an ordinary man I would love him just the same."
> Her eyes filled with tears as her voice shrank to a whisper.
>         Clark reached for her hands. As he caressed them, he wondered
> if he was going about this the right way.
>          "What did he tell you?" he asked as gently as he could.
>         Lois looked up. A tear rolled down her cheek. "He said, 'I
> wish I could believe that, Lois, but under the circumstances, I don't
> see how I can.'"
>         To her surprise, Clark spoke Superman's words along with her.
> Her voice trailed off at the end of the sentence and she stared at
> him, her eyes wide. "How did you know about that?" she demanded, "I
> never told anyone about that conversation! Did Superman tell
> you?"
>          "No."
>         "No?" Lois' brow wrinkled in confusion. "Then how did you
> know exactly  what he said?"
>         Before Clark could open his mouth to answer, Lois exploded.
> "I will never forget that day, the look of hurt on Superman's face,
> the biting words he said!" She leaped up and paced the floor. She
> stopped, hands on her hips and fired at Clark, "And now you  know the
> exact words he used?!?"
>         "Lois, please. Sit down and listen to me," Clark pleaded.  He
> waited for her to calm down. "Lois, I'm trying to tell you... I'm
> that ordinary man. And,"  he held up his hand as Lois opened her
> mouth to interrupt, "I was hurting too."
>         "What? What do...." her voice trailed off as the meaning of
> what he'd said hit her like a ton of bricks. Stunned, she looked down
> at her hands twisted together in her lap. To her, a light went on,
> but she wasn't ready to face that light. Furthermore, she knew what
> he was trying to tell her, but she wanted to be deaf. She wouldn't
> even look at him. Her heart was beating so hard she thought it would
> leap out of her chest. In her mind, the assumptions and fantasies she
> had made about Superman went up in proverbial smoke.  The silence
> between them was deafening.
>         Clark reached out and gently lifted Lois' chin.  "Lois, I can
> see you're afraid."
>         She nodded.
>         "I'm scared too. But Lois, I have to tell you--what I'm
> trying to tell you is..."
>         "...that you're Superman?" she finished the sentence for him,
> her voice breaking.
>
> Extract 5:
>         "Lois..." Superman spoke again. "I... need to talk to you.
> About what happened this evening."
>         He was oddly hesitant. Lois was puzzled; Superman wasn't
> normally like that. He was usually so sure of himself, so confident.
> She realised that he must also be upset about Clark; after all, she'd
> known the two were friends.
>         She turned around towards him again, still clutching the
> photograph to her chest. "Superman...?"
>         He met her eyes. "Lois, there's something I need to tell
> you." His voice was gentle, nothing like... Superman's. Lois wondered
> what was going on. He continued to look at her, his gaze compelling.
>         "Lois, look at me. Look hard. What do you see?"
>         She stared, slowly... beginning to comprehend.
>         "*Who* do you see?"
>         Lois's mouth dropped open and the photograph frame slipped
> from her nerveless fingers. She stared into Superman's face...
>         ...the face of...
>         Clark.
>
> Extract 6:
>         The couple rose to their feet.  Lois could feel Clark's
> reassuring hands on her shoulders.  The door clanged open loudly.  A
> young man armed with an M-16, hurried through the opening.  His eyes
> darted wildly until they fixed on the couple.  He raised his rifle.
> After a moment, an expression akin to awe, washed over his face.
> "What are you doing here?"
>       Lois heard Clark's voice behind her.  "My girlfriend and I just
> wanted to find a quiet place to be alone.  You understand."
>         "Really?"  The young man asked, his expression shifting from
> awe to incredulity.
>      "Really." Clark said softly.  The young man smiled, and lowered
> the rifle.  "I guess it never crossed my mind before, but hey--" he
> shrugged.  "Why not?  Have a good time."
>       "Thank you."
>         The young man winked and began closing the door.  "By the
> way, you've got great taste in women," he said, and gave the door one
> last tug.
>         Lois shook her head and began to turn.  "What was that all--"
>         "I love you, Lois," said the man in the all too familiar red
> and blue costume.
>      Lois, like a computer being fed too much data, experienced a
> sensory overload.  She fainted.  Clark grabbed her before she fell,
> and held her in his arms. "That went better than I expected," he
> smiled, and drifted up through the broken skylight with Lois.
>
> Extract 7:
>         "Tell me," she spoke conversationally, "what made you think
> I'd talk to Superman when I just threw your alter ego off my porch?"
>         Clark froze unsure that he had heard her correctly. She
> laughed ironically at him, interpreting his stillness as guilt. "Oh
> come on Clark, we are supposed to be best friends aren't we? Don't
> you think disappearing on me for what? Five hours? Not that you
> bothered to even try to give me one of your really bad excuses before
> you went, is enough reason to finally come clean?"
>         Clark turned slowly to face her, "Lois," he began
> uncertainly, "I'm not sure I..." The look on her face stopped him and
> he felt his insides twist, "I'm not sure I know what to say."
>         "Why don't you start with were you were tonight? But do you
> think you could change back into Clark first, somehow it's easier to
> be mad at you when you're not wearing the suit." Lois laid her head
> down on her arms and  contemplated him with one eye closed. "Course
> it would probably help if there was only one of you. Hey, do you
> think there are two of you because you lead two lives?" she asked
> with interest.
>
> ----------------------
> Wendy Richards
> w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Great quiz, Hazel!

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> Excerpt 1:
>
> "What ... uh." Superman tried to mask his puzzled
> look. Pulling back, he
> crossed his arms defensively. "What seems to be the
> problem here?"

Charity begins at Home, Sandy McDermin, part of Season
5

> Excerpt 2: (actually, this one is the entire fic! :D

> Lois takes an incredibly long pause.
>
> LOIS: (confused) You ate the last of the Rocky Road.

I know this one, its on the tip of my tongue ... but
nope, can't remember
>
> Excerpt 3: (almost the complete fic here; sometimes
> the shortest ones are
> the funniest ones!)
>
> So, over Metropolis that night, Superman was sighted
> wearing boxers instead
> of briefs.

I know this one, just can't remember the title, or
author
>
> Excerpt 4:
>
>
> Suddenly all the broken dishes and overturned
> furniture made tons of sense.
> It was a wonder the roof was still on the building.

Lois' Revenge, B.B. Medos
>
> Excerpt 5:
>
> "How am I doing, Dad?"
>
> "Much better.  Let's try a simulation."
>
Quick Change, Carla Humbert (very funny!)
>
Audrey

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Yeah, let's have a recap of the rules.
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Answering this one because I know I've read three even though I don't=20
remember everything about them.  Also one is my personal favorite
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# 1 is CCMalo's Recognition (Justice)

#  2 is Amatui Amore??=85 Ruth Ellison  -  playing by the rules, I think,
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# 3 No idea but I'd love to read it.

# 4 is somewhat similar to Demi's And the answer isn't but I think it's
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# 5 is Wendy Richards. It happened one (Super) night.  Great story and
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# 6 Don't remember the title but it's the one where Perry sends them on a=20
trip to Mexico or South America. Also no idea who wrote it, but I have it.

# 7 Not a clue but would like to read this one too.

Can you guess revelations are among my favorite fanfiction themes?  I
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At 04:15 PM 7/29/99 +0100, Yvonne Connell wrote:
>>(I could not write fanfic half so well, read I not fanfic more.  --with
>>apologies <g>)
>
>
>Yvonne's ignorance shines through: this is familiar, but I can't place it.
>Can you help me out?

I was being facetious and taking enormous liberties with:  "I could not love
thee half so well, loved I not honor more."

Sheila
(thanks for the nice comments, though :)
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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:54:11 -0500 Sheila Harper
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> I was being facetious and taking enormous liberties with:  "I could not
love
> thee half so well, loved I not honor more."
>

Thought I recognised it! Shakespeare - can't place the play, though.
Doesn't win me any prizes in *this* quiz <g>

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No spoilers in this.  Just a great story.  I loved it.  Just wanted to say
that I really like stories in which Clark Kent being Superman affects his
relationships with his family.

Lots of Love (using this because LOL means lots of luck and I always
intended
it to mean this)

Charlotte
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I don't think this is from a play.  I think it's from a poem.  And while I
won't dispute that it's Shakespeare (my first impression), something keeps
telling me it's 17th century.

Ann
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In a message dated 7/29/99 2:10:22 PM !!!First Boot!!!, zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL
writes:

<<  LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU (Lois and Clark: The New
Adventures of Superman Fanfic) >>

This set actually had me LOL (laughing out loud) especially at extract # 3,
so I'm sending in my pathetically small response, a single answer but who
cares.

S
P
O
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E

# 4 is from B.B.Medos' Lois' Revenge.  I am still waiting for a sequel to
this one which is both funny and a good story.But that's the only one I
recognize.  Told you this is a great way to learn about stories you haven't
yet read.

Charlotte
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At 12:24 PM 7/29/99 EDT, Ann E. McBride wrote:
>I don't think this is from a play.  I think it's from a poem.  And while I
>won't dispute that it's Shakespeare (my first impression), something keeps
>telling me it's 17th century.

Ann, I thought it was from "The Charge of the Light Brigade" (a 19th century
poem) and was followed by the line:  "Someone blundered," but I may be
mixing it up with something else entirely.

Sheila
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how do some messages get posted to the list without having the
LOISCLA-GENERAL-L blah-blah-blah in the "where it's from" box? i must
admit that i usually delete them without reading them cuz i'm concerned
about viruses.

sorry if this has been asked and answered. if so, point me to where i
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Great story.
James

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In a message dated 7/28/99 3:58:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
KCrane1865@aol.com writes:

<< Ok, where do we find this one, Zoom? >>

Let me embarrass myself further by saying I have no idea <g> I didn't
remember it existed until Carol pasted the first lines from it. It's a very
short story, so I'll just paste it here. Another embarrassing thing is that
Rachel had originally reminded me of it quite a while back and I promised
myself I'd send it to the archive, and well, obviously forgot to not only do
that, but forgot once again that it even existed (I'll get a CAT scan ... if
I remember ;)

Fair warning, I don't think this was ever sent to an editor and the
formatting may spam all over the place because it's not formatted flush to
the left as I've come to format most things due to cyber space shortcomings.
As far as the ratings and such, it's G rated and deals with a kid jumping to
the wrong conclusion. Comments are welcome, but typos and misspellings,
etc.,
please send privately.

*    *    *

A very young fan wanted this story, and I think she was
influenced by the movie Teen Wolf.

NAVIGATING DENIAL

by Zoomway@aol.com

   What was that quote? The boy was sure it was from Sherlock
Holmes. Anger and confusion had clouded his thoughts. He was
usually very good at bringing up obscure bits of trivia, but that
was just one more of those *things*. Those things that made him
different. Not at first, and not at once, but gradually, and
inexorably. Those things were taking him over. Remaking him.
Into what? He could not concentrate. The truth had overtaken
his best efforts to deny reality. He was not human. He never
would be. Not even this truth, however, hurt as much as not
being told.

   The boy stopped in front of his home. He used his new-found
power to see through objects. Neither of his parents were home.
He walked inside and sprayed every room with his x-ray vision.
He was looking for...what? He was only sure he'd know when he
found it. A metal box tucked behind an old comforter in the
closet. He retrieved the metal box, and though locked, it was
nothing for him to simply thumb it open. He pulled out old
newspaper clippings. It became immediately apparent why these
clippings had not been put into the family scrap book. They all
showed Lois Lane in the company of Superman, and even one
showed his mother kissing Superman moments before he was to
fly off and do battle with the Nightfall asteroid. "How could I be
so blind?"  He put the clippings back into the box, and then
stuffed the box back behind the comforter.

   The boy left the house and started heading up Hyperion. He
had no destination in mind, but he knew he did not want to be
home when his parents got there. He felt betrayed. Having the
truth confirmed did nothing to make him feel better. He'd
suspected for a long time of course. How could he not? He was
faster and stronger than the other guys his age, but even this he
tried to justify as good genetics. His genetic makeup was good
all right. It was "super".  His personal fable ended when he
looked right through the chalkboard in class that morning. He
couldn't excuse the truth any longer.

   He continued his aimless walk, but stopped short when he
noticed himself across from the Daily Planet. Why not? It was
more or less a milk run for him. A travel pattern ingrained in his
head. He decided to hurry on, but since fate had nothing but the
cruelest of timing planned for him this day, his mother emerged
>from the building. "Perry!"

   The boy contemplated the possibility of just walking on, as if
he had not heard her, but he knew how insistent she could be.
He sighed and crossed the street. She put an arm around his
waist and kissed his cheek. "How was school, sweetie?"

   "Fine."

   "Any homework?"

   "No."

   Lois studied the boy a moment. "Is something wrong,
sweetie?"

   "No."

   Lois knew her son like she knew her husband. They both
became monosyllabic and disconnected when holding
something in. "Perry, you know you can tell me anything."

   Perry looked at his mother accusingly, "Well you know, mom,
that goes *both* ways."

   "What?"

   Perry shook his head, "Never mind. I'm sorry. I just have some
stuff to do." Without another word, Perry hurried up the street.

   Clark approached his wife while straightening his necktie, "It
was a false alarm at the jewelry store. Was that Perry?"

   "Uh huh. Something's eating at him."

   "How do you know?"

   Lois smiled and finished straightening Clark's tie. "He had that
*obsessive* expression."

   Clark smiled, "Like father like son."

   Lois clasped her husband's hand as they began their leisurely
stroll, "I'm serious, Clark, he seemed upset."

   "I'll talk to him."

   "I hope you get a less cryptic response."

   Clark glanced down at his wife. Though now in her 40s, she
was still as beautiful as ever, and was often whistled at by men
half her age, "How do you mean?"

   Lois shrugged, "I told him he could tell me anything, and then
he said...." Lois cut herself off, and then turned sharply to face
her husband, "Oh God, Clark, I think he knows!"

   "Lois, honey, he can't. I mean he hasn't exhibited any powers.
Believe me, when I first found out I was different, I went straight
to my parents. It's a scary thing."

   Lois sighed, "I guess you're right. I know we decided not to let
him in on *your* secret until he was 15, but--"

   "That's just a few months away. Don't you think it's slightly
possible you've been thinking about that moment when we tell
him, and just maybe got a little--"

   "Carried away?"

   "Um...well, not that you ever get carried away," Clark smiled.

   "Nice recovery, Kent." She took Clark's arm and they
continued walking. "I guess you're right. There's a thousand
things a fourteen year old can think of as earth-shattering. I
sometimes forget how melodramatic I was at that age."

   "*Was*?"

   Lois brought her briefcase around and smacked Clark soundly
on the rear, "Keep up the sarcasm and I'll cook dinner."

   "I didn't know sarcasm was grounds for murder." The couple,
and their laughter, disappeared around a corner.

   Perry took a deep breath, and entered Dr. Klein's private lab.
"Hi, Uncle Bernard. Busy?"

   Klein smiled, "Not really, Perry," he said, but did not look away
>from his microscope, "I've been working on a method to defeat
the tendency of Reverse-Transcriptase virii's to mutate." He
pulled out the slide, "As soon as I put this away, we can continue
our discussion of nanotubule synthesis by bacteria."

   "Not today, Uncle Bernard. I want to discuss something else."

   Klein smiled, "Happy to, Perry. You're the brightest kid I know,
and not just because you call me 'uncle'."

   Perry took another deep breath, "I know the truth, Uncle
Bernard."
   Klein blinked a moment, "The 'truth'?"

   "About who my father *really* is."

   A flask Klein had been lifting to the rack slipped from his
fingers. Perry, in a blur of motion, retrieved the flask before it
hit the floor. He handed the flask back to Klein, "The truth."

   "Thank heavens," Klein sighed, "I'm glad you were told. I don't
like keeping that kind of secret."

   "I wasn't told," the boy said sourly, "I don't hold anything
against you, Uncle Bernard. I mean it makes sense they had to
come to someone like you. I just don't know if I can forgive my
mom."

   "Perry!"

   "You can't understand how I feel, Uncle Bernard. I'm a freak!"

    The boy began to pace, "Why did she have to love...*him*?"

   "Perry," Klein said softly, "He's the finest man I've ever known,
or ever expect to know."

   "So that excuses everything?"

   "No, I didn't say--"

   "Truth and justice, that's a joke! Where was the truth, Uncle
Bernard? He lied!" Perry looked down at the floor, "she lied," he
said, in a much softer voice, "My mom lied."

   "Perry--"

   "I have to go," the boy said, his voice cracking a little. He left
the lab swiftly, but closed the door none too gently.

     Klein picked up the phone and dialed Perry's parents even
before the tubes in the rack stopped rattling from the boy's
thunderous exit. He explained the situation to Lois, who seemed
to possess an almost psychic awareness of Perry's distress, and
promised that Clark would look for him immediately.

   Klein closed his eyes as he hung up the phone. Was it really
that long ago that Lois walked through the door and dropped *the*
bombshell? It was so vivid a memory.  She was a bit upset,
distracted, but that was really nothing new for Lois Lane. He had
asked her what she needed, and she became restless, or
agitated, as if she could not sit still.

   "Well, I have news," she had said, but was looking everywhere
but directly into Klein's eyes. She glanced at her watch
frequently. "Kind of big news, actually--"

   "I hope good news, Ms. Lane." He had prompted.

   "Very....it's very good news." Her voice was airy with
nervousness, and still she consulted her watch. "I'm...I'm
expecting a baby."

   "Wonderful!" Klein had beamed. "Congratulations!"

   "Thank you," she had responded, still obviously holding
something back. "Um...I do need a good doctor though."

Klein shrugged. "No problem, I know a fine OB/GYN I went to
school with, and she--"

   "No, Dr. Klein. I was hoping that you would be my doctor."

   Klein remembered how flabbergasted he'd felt at that moment.
It was so out of the blue, and so bizarre a request. "Ms. Lane, I
don't do clinical work, but even if I did, it wouldn't be in that field.
I'm flattered you would--"

   "I need a scientist with a medical background, Dr. Klein." She
had blurted out the sentence.

   "I don't understand."

   "I'm pregnant with Superman's baby."

   Klein clearly recalled how his head began to swim, and how
his blood had turned to ice, "Oh, God," he had whispered. "I
knew you were close to Superman, but I didn't think you were
*that* close!"

   "Dr. Klein--"

   "I guess I saw all the signs; the way you looked at him, the
way he looked at you."

   "Dr. Klein--"

   "You were always here for him when he was in trouble--"

   "Dr. Klein, please--"

   At that moment Clark Kent had come rushing through the
door. Klein smiled to himself remembering how terrified he had
felt. Petrified that Clark would become violent. He had stood in
front of Lois in a protective stance, "I know how you must feel,
my boy, but violence is never an answer! Don't make me call
security!"

   "What?" the handsome young man had asked, and truly
seemed lost.

   "I told him that I was pregnant with Superman's baby," Lois
had said matter-of-factly.

   Clark Kent's face had brightened, "Great! So, Dr. Klein, are
you going to be Lois's doctor?"

   Klein's terror transformed into indignation, "Is this modern
marriage? Is this all the more wedding vows mean? I've always
respected you two and Superman more than anyone I've ever
known, and now you turn out to be...hippies!"

   Lois smiled that crooked smile. Klein came to realize over the
years that smile indicated he had said something to date
himself. She rose from the chair and stood next to her husband.
"I love Clark more than anything or anyone, Dr. Klein." She then
loosened Clark's necktie. "The rest is up to you, sweetheart."

   "Thanks, honey," he had whispered, and kissed her softly.

    "This is something I've never told anyone, Dr. Klein. Not even
Lois technically, since she figured it out for herself." He removed
his glasses, and tucked them into his jacket. He looked familiar,
but not familiar in the sense of just being Clark without glasses.
He loosened the tie further, and then pulled open his shirt. The
Superman costume fairly seemed to glow with vivid color
contrasted by the pastel shirt and gray jacket.

   "It can't be," Klein had whispered. Not in an attempt to be
quiet, but because he felt he was scarcely breathing.

   Clark spun around a couple of times. Now fully in the
Superman disguise, the young superhero spoke in a plaintive
tone, "Please, Dr. Klein. Will you take care of my wife?"

   Klein remembered how dumbfounded he had felt at that
moment. He had sat in stunned silence for a long time, and then
smiled. He smiled not just because they had trusted him with the
world's biggest secret, and not even because they were
intrusting him with their child, but because he had been wrong
about...

   "Oh my!" Klein exclaimed as he snapped back to the present.
The images of years ago dissolved like a sand castle hit by a
wave.  "*That's* why Perry is so upset!" He redialed Lois.

************
     Lois and Clark sat on the sofa. Both periodically consulting
their watches and the front door. Clark sighed impatiently, "Are
you sure Bernard's right about this? It seems so farfetched."

   "Sweetheart, you told me yourself how scary it was when you
started discovering your super powers, right?"

   "Yes, but--"

   "And your first thought was to go to your parents, right?"

   "I know, but I can't believe he'd--"

   Both became quiet as they heard the front door open. Perry
stepped in, and no longer looked angry. If a description could be
given to his expression, 'resignation' would come the closest. He
looked up, "Sorry about earlier. I'm okay now."

   Lois ruffled Perry's hair, "No permanent harm done, sweetie.
You want your dinner?"

   "I guess so," he said flatly.

   As soon as Lois disappeared into the kitchen, Clark looked
down at his son, "How long have you known?"

   The boy looked stunned, but only for a moment. "How long
have *you* known?" He asked, and the sarcasm resurfaced.

   "Since Dr. Klein called."

   "Oh...I'm...I'm sorry you found out that way."

   "It's okay, Perry."

   "Okay? Okay!  How can you be okay with this?"

   "Because I love you, Perry."

   The boy, a tensed mass of conflicting emotions and loyalties,
put his arms around his father, "I love you too," he said, his
voice breaking. He began to sob, "I don't want to be Superman's
son."

   Clark stroked his son's hair, unable to recall the last time he'd
seen him cry, "It's not as bad as you think, Perry."

   "I know, it's worse!" He broke away from his father and
dropped down on the sofa and covered his tearful eyes with his
arm. "I want things back the way they were...the way I *thought*
they were."

   "Nothing has really changed, Perry."

   The boy sat up, "How can you say that? How can you stand
the truth?"

   Clark sat next to his son. "The truth is just the truth. It doesn't
matter if you just now discovered the truth, or you discovered it
years ago, nothing can change it, or what you are." Clark put his
arm around Perry's shoulders, "I know how you feel."

   "Right," Perry laughed bitterly. "I'm not talking about zits or the
senior prom here!"

   "I know," Clark smiled, "you're talking about this." He lowered
his glasses and stared intently at something on the coffee table.
Perry followed his gaze to a bowl of ribbon candy. As he
continued to watch, the candy softened, and then began to lose
shape. After a moment it began to bubble. The boy's eyes
widened as the bowl too became pliable and lost its shape,
allowing the now liquid contents to ooze steaming onto the cool
glass table top.

   Perry, his eyes still bulging, and his jaw gaping, turned back to
his father, "You--"

    "Your mom's gonna kill me for that," Clark said, and pushed
his glasses back into place. "Believe me, Perry, it's not all bad.
When you're older you'll be able to do the best part," he said,
and levitated off the sofa.

   "Mom!" The boy screamed, and ran for the kitchen. Lois, who
was just about to put his plate on the table, was interrupted in
mid-stride. The boy hugged her, and buried his face in her
shoulder, "I'm sorry, mom. I'm really really sorry!"

   "For what, Perry?"

   Clark, now dressed in the Superman costume, walked into the
kitchen, "For thinking you and I had an affair." He emphasized
*I* by taping the S shield on his chest."

   Lois smiled, "So Bernard was right."

   Perry blushed, "I really am sorry mom, dad." He looked at his
father, "Wow, you really are *him*."

   Clark took the plate and set it on the table, "I really 'are'," he
smiled and leaned against the table and folded his arms. "Still
wish things were back to normal?"

   The boy sat at the table and sighed with relief, "They are, dad.
I wanted to be your son, and I am, and I wanted mom to just
love you, and--"

   "She does," Lois completed his sentence. "That's why you
didn't come to your dad or me when you first discovered your
powers."

   "Yeah," Perry said, and blushed again. "I didn't think dad
knew, and I wasn't sure you knew...well, I mean you might not
know if I was Superman's son, or dad's son. Maybe I should say
'Clark's' son, but I don't like thinking of dad by his first name--"

   "You've inherited my babble gene," Lois shook her head, "I'll
never forgive grandma Ellen for letting you watch Melrose: The
Next Generation when you spent the summer with her."

  Clark laughed and pulled Lois to him. Perry glanced up from
his plate and watched his mother and Superman share a kiss.
He suddenly remembered the Sherlock Holmes quote from The
Sign of the Four, "When you have eliminated the impossible,
whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:24:11 EDT Charlotte Fisler <Cdfisler@AOL.COM>
wrote:

> This set actually had me LOL (laughing out loud) especially at extract #
3,
> so I'm sending in my pathetically small response, a single answer but who
> cares.
>
> S
> P
> O
> I
> L
> E
> R
>
> S
> P
> A
> C
> E
>
> # 4 is from B.B.Medos' Lois' Revenge.  I am still waiting for a sequel to
> this one which is both funny and a good story.But that's the only one I
> recognize.  Told you this is a great way to learn about stories you
haven't
> yet read.
>
> Charlotte

Charlotte, there is a sequel - look for 'Clark's Response' in the
Archive.

Wendy

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Wendy Richards
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> Hi,

I'm relatively new to the email list, but I've been reading from the
archives
and emailed specific requests at various times to specific people and read
much of the fanfic and nfic.  When I first started reading, I never wrote
the
authors. No excuse. More recently on the newer stories I've been sending
feedback to authors because I realize it is important.
I just wanted to say that though I'm probably not going to reread all the
archives, I believe 85% of the time, the authors have written wonderful
stories and there is a lot of very excellent reading there.
I appreciate all of the authors' efforts and will continue to read.
Thank you, and I am getting better about feedback.
Merry
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From:         Donna Burton <BURTOND@CONAN.UNION.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thoughts on Feedback

Re: Sheila's quotation...we librarians can't resist a question like
this. A quick metacrawler web search reveals that it is indeed 17th
Century (but then so was some of Shakespeare) but in fact is by Richard
Lovelace (1618Š1658) from the poem "To Lucasta, going to the wars"
and can be found on this URL:
http://www.bartleby.com/101/343.html

Hope this helps resolve this query... ;-)

Donna Burton
Schenectady, NY
burtond@union.edu
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At 01:10 PM 7/29/99 -0400, Donna Burton wrote:

>http://www.bartleby.com/101/343.html
>
>Hope this helps resolve this query... ;-)
>

Thanks, Donna!

Sheila
(if you want to know a reference, ask a reference librarian :)
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From:         Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:09:55 -0500 Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL> wrote:
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> Excerpt 3: (almost the complete fic here; sometimes the shortest ones are
> the funniest ones!)
>
> "The doctor said that we should try this.  The problem could be yours..."

I *knew* I knew this! It's 'Short, Short Fanfic' by Jennifer Adkins.

Wendy
----------------------
Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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From:         "Irene D." <sirenegold@YAHOO.COM>
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Just a quick note to say, I agree with you Charlotte. This was a great
story.

But I always thought LOL meant "laugh out loud".

Irene

--- Charlotte Fisler <Cdfisler@AOL.COM> wrote:
> No spoilers in this.  Just a great story.  I loved
> it.  Just wanted to say
> that I really like stories in which Clark Kent being
> Superman affects his
> relationships with his family.
>
> Lots of Love (using this because LOL means lots of
> luck and I always intended
> it to mean this)
>
> Charlotte
>

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Zoom,
Could you maybe go today and get that cat-scan?  Just in case there are more
of these great stories that maybe
you forgot about.  I think you should be sure so the rest of us will not
suffer.

Brenda
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From:         optical delusion of consciousness <kubitc@KENYON.EDU>
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<<< No spoilers in this.  Just a great story.  I loved it.  Just wanted to
say
that I really like stories in which Clark Kent being Superman affects his
relationships with his family. Lots of Love (using this because LOL means
lots
of luck and I always intended it to mean this) >>>

< Just a quick note to say, I agree with you Charlotte. This was a great
story.
But I always thought LOL meant "laugh out loud". >

Thanks to everyone who has responded both on- and off-list with kind
comments
about Family Ties. As our current disussion on feedback has illustrated,
it's
nice to know that people are enjoying the stories you write.

While we're on the subject of feedback, I admit to also being intimidated to
write to certain authors to tell them I've enjoyed their stories. This is
especially true for me if their stories are not new - have been in the
archive
for a while but I'm just now getting to them - because I felt that they
would
want to hear about a new story, not one they wrote a few years ago. Surely
they
got tons of good feedback years ago, when it was new. However, the facts
that
I've had wonderful responses from the few authors of 'old' fanfic to whom I
have written and that some of my own stories could now be considered 'old'
makes me realize that feedback is appreciated no matter how long after the
story was released.

-Christy (who, along with Irene, also always thought LOL meant laugh out
loud)
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
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>
> Elena got them *all* right! What do you do besides reading fanfic,
> Elena?
>
> Wendy
>
Well, right now I'm going to change my list settings to nomail 'cause I'm
leaving for vacation. ;) See you all again at the end of August. I'll miss
you!
Ciao, Elena
lanene@tin.it
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In a message dated 7/28/99 7:16:29 PM CST, Aerm1@aol.com writes:

<<
 << Eventually, last year, I found an e-mail address for
   her, and *made* myself write to her. >> >>

 This sounds like a good idea.  I do wonder, how does one find an author's
 e-mail address?
  >>

This is a great idea.  In my wicked youth (before the advent of e-mail) I
was
too impatient to write authors by snail-mail.  So I picked up the phone and
called them!  Most of them were actually listed in the phone book and the
numbers were readily available through information.  One of my best memories
is a conversation I had with Isaac Asimov about some of the things he'd
written.

I know, I know - try this now and they'll probably label you as a
stalker!<g>
 But I honestly never spoke with anyone who wasn't friendly and seemed very
flattered that I'd taken the time to call.  For my part, I always kept my
calls brief and courteous.

Piper
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In a message dated 7/29/99 12:38:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<< Ann, I thought it was from "The Charge of the Light Brigade" (a 19th
century
 poem) and was followed by the line:  "Someone blundered," but I may be
 mixing it up with something else entirely. >>

Nice thought, Sheila, but it's not.  I have found it -- it's by Richard
Lovelace (17th cent.) "I could not love thee, dear, so much,
           Lov'd I not honour more."
  "To Lucasta on going to the Wars."

To quote Tempus, Duh.  As soon as I saw this, I could have smacked myself.
So much for 30 hours of British Lit.  <g>

Ann
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At 06:18 PM 7/29/99 EDT, Ann E. McBride wrote:
>To quote Tempus, Duh.  As soon as I saw this, I could have smacked myself.
>So much for 30 hours of British Lit.  <g>

Me, too, Ann.  Of course, I avoided 17th century stuff whenever possible and
concentrated on 19th century, so I'm not surprised I thought of that period.
:P

Sheila
sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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I want to thank you all for the kind comments on Navigating Denial. I've
combined them in one post because the fanfic list actually hit its post
limit
(threshold) of 75 posts yesterday <g>

In a message dated 7/29/99 6:50:26 AM Central Daylight Time, Ccmalo@aol.com
writes:

<< 'm not sure, but I think I must have got the story from the AOL (or would
 that be Warner Brothers?) L&C fanfic folders that were up when the show was
 still running.   I can't think where else it would have been.
 S
 P
 O
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 E
 R
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 P
 A
 C
 E

 I kept the story because I thought it was wonderful -- the first one I read
 that dealt with L&C's child finding out the secret.  How he played Sherlock
 and dug for the clues was both funny and touching as was the scene where
 Klein finds out, too.  Love revelation stories. :)  Of course, Zoomway just
 dashes it off in a minute, no doubt one hand tied behind her back, and then
 forgets about it --- just one of many. <g>  Sometimes I think that all we
 newbie writers do, for the most part, is to rework & extend wonderful ideas
 that Zoomway and Debby Stark, and a few others introduced  2, 3, 4 years
ago.

 Carol >>

Oh, Carol, I wish I could dash them off <g>  I do thank you though, for the
compliments on the story. I really don't know why I forgot about the story
... twice, but I am glad that you remembered it. You might be right about it
having been posted to the old AOL fanfic section. A lot of fanfic posted
there didn't seem to turn up anywhere else.

In a message dated 7/29/99 5:28:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<<
 Zoom, I hereby ask you, plead with you, get down on my knees and
 *beg* you to send this to the Archive *today*! I'll even be the
 first to offer to be your editor ;)   I loved it - it's everything
 I've come to expect from your short stories. It's funny, WAFFy and
 totally in character. And I have never seen anyone write Dr Klein as
 well as you do. >>

Thank you, Wendy, that's very flattering, it truly is. Especially about Dr.
Klein, I just love that guy. I promise I'll send this and Ultra Matum to the
archive today.

In a message dated 7/29/99 1:47:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
d.arendt@WORLDNET.ATT.NET writes:

<< Zoom,
 Could you maybe go today and get that cat-scan?  Just in case there are
more
of these great stories that maybe
 you forgot about.  I think you should be sure so the rest of us will not
suffer.

 Brenda >>

Thanks, Brenda <g> I'd hate for anyone to suffer, but I don't think there's
any others, but lately I'm not 100% sure about anything ;)

In a message dated 7/29/99 8:03:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< Absolutely! That is certainly what I did with 'A Conscious Choice,'
 though I hope I did manage to make it sufficiently different from her
 wonderful 'If You Can't Beat 'Em' to avoid being accused of
 plagiarism. And, of course, there are the clear similarities between
 my BBDF series and Debby & Margaret's SwapMeet, for which I hope I am
 forgiven ;) >>

I really enjoyed "A Conscious Choice", Wendy, but I want to thank you for
putting "wonderful" in the same sentence as "If You Can't Beat 'Em" <g> I
was
bashed for that story when it first came out. One fan even sent me a *nine*
page drubbing for daring to have Lois sleep with Superman and for Clark Kent
being deceitful in that way. I'm not even saying I disagree with their
assessments, but it was a request fic for Joe Dawis (I think he's the fan
who
coined the acronym "FoLC") and he wanted Lois in a relationship with
Superman. I tried to figure a logical way to do that without compromising
their characters or ethics. Not that I was entirely successful, but I think
readers aren't quite so down on the idea as they were back when the series
was still airing and Clark hadn't even asked Lois out on a date yet. Once
the
series evolved to a point where Clark came to understand that there was more
than Superman's "flash and dazzle" Lois loved, it helped make such
speculative stories a little easier to take. That's why I loved your nfic
story. It was a matter of Clark truly trying to be a "good boy", but not
succeeding ... entirely ;) I thought it was quite believable.

Thanks also to James, and to others who wrote privately or spoke to me on
IRC
about the story. I'm very flattered!

Zoomway@aol.com
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In a message dated 7/29/99 6:26:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<< Me, too, Ann.  Of course, I avoided 17th century stuff whenever possible
and
 concentrated on 19th century, so I'm not surprised I thought of that
period.
:P >>

I must admit, I'm very surprised to read this about you, Sheila.  As one of
the premiere writers of nfic, I would have thought you'd prefer those
dashing
Cavalier poets ("carpe diem" you know) to all those muck-raking, prudish
Victorian novelists.<g>

Of course, I have recently concluded that my interest in, and enjoyment of,
nfic is undoubtedly related to the fact that I majored in French lit in both
college and grad school -- and got college credit for reading vast
quantities
of 16th, 17th, and 18th century works, some of which make even Mxysplit
(nfic
version) look pretty tame.  <beg>

While feedback is the (sort of ) subject, if I have neglected to tell you
before, I love everything you have written.   I can see the scenes unfold as
I read.  Your characterizations are wonderful, your dialogue sounds like
Lois
and Clark, etc. (gush, gush).

Ann
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At 06:43 PM 7/29/99 EDT, Zoomway wrote:
>I really enjoyed "A Conscious Choice", Wendy, but I want to thank you for
>putting "wonderful" in the same sentence as "If You Can't Beat 'Em" <g> I
was
>bashed for that story when it first came out.

ACK! Another Zoomway story I have never heard of! Where can I find it,
please?

And I am also curious about those AOL stories that are so often mentioned
on this list and others. It sounds like this site is no longer in existence
and the stories lost, at least in part. Is there some way that long-time
FoLCs who saved them might be pursuaded to repost them for those of us who
only recently discovered the joys of fanfic on the 'net? Or something? I am
convinced, no matter how far behind I may be in my reading, that there is
absolutely, positively, undeniably and reliably <G and smack>... no such
thing as TOO much fic :)

Debra G

melisma@intergate.bc.ca

dlgray@usa.net
music_teacher@yahoo.com
Melisma on IRC
MelShpFoLC on AIM
Music_Teacher on Yahoo! Messenger
ICQ# 44922309
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I certainly appreciate all the feedback I get, but I'm so far behind on my
reading (I'm currently about half way through "The Last Time I Saw Elvis"
and I
have other, older stories in my cue and a lot more stories writeen since
that
one) that I'm late in jotting off letters of comment. Heck, I'm late in
everything (except I get to my work place at 7:30am every morning). I'm glad
there are a lot of readers on this list or all us writers would have to wait
quite a while for that precious feedback :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
glad the weekend is coming as
I plan yet again to catch up
and reply to a lot of letters...
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In a message dated 07/29/1999 6:00:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PJPiasecki@aol.com writes:

<< One of my best memories
 is a conversation I had with Isaac Asimov about some of the things he'd
 written. >>

Cool. I did once write to him and received a post card in return. I also had
the pleasure of hearing him speak a couple times. :)

--Laurie
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Just wanted to say, I like these quizzes.  Even though I'm not very good
at them, they've already helped me find stories that I've somehow
missed.  I spent most of today reading Ccmalo's "Recognition" series and
loving it.
Carol, if you're reading this, they're great!--although you certainly
don't need little old me to tell you that.  Keep them coming, people,
and I'll keep on revealing my ignorance by guessing at them(and in the
process finding more fanfiction to read) (Nan chortles and rubs her
hands together in anticipation).

Nan
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At 08:30 AM 07/29/1999 -0500, you wrote:

[snip]

>Sheila
>(maybe I should do penance:  shave my head,

Will you look like Lex Luthor then?

>enter a nunnery, forswear
>nfic--nah, that's too big a sacrifice ;)
>sharper@cncc.cc.co.us

If you change your mind and do it, post the pictures somewhere

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
anything for a laugh
as long as someone else does it ;)
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At 07:02 AM 07/29/1999 -0400, Sandy wrote:

>> Debby
>> Debby@swcp.com
>> if my cat would get a job...
>> how much does schmoozing pay?
>
>Big time in D.C.  That's why they call them "fat cats."<g>  Sorry, sorry
>-- very poor. Couldn't help it.
>
>Sandy
>smcdermin@erols.com

         LOL ...LMftF (Little's meowing from the floor)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who swears that her cat rushed in to announce
something startling about the outside world
(who knows what)
just as I was typing the above
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At 10:04 AM 07/29/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/29/99 7:00:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Debby@SWCP.COM
>writes:
>
><< Yeah, I gotta quit my stupid job... send $$ :) >>
>
>
>So, Debby, how much do you need us to send?  Maybe we could take up a
>collection <bg>.   Real life is annoying at times, isn't it?

>Ann

Let's see: my stupid job pays about $11.50 an hour... but I do have some
savings... ;)

Debby :)
Debby@swcp.com
Taking 2 days off next week!
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At 02:02 PM 07/29/1999 +0100, you wrote:
>[snip] And, of course, there are the clear similarities between
>my BBDF series and Debby & Margaret's SwapMeet, for which I hope I am
>forgiven ;)
>
>Wendy
>----------------------
>Wendy Richards
>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk

I'm sure I'll forgive you as soon as I have time to read it :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
Wendy fan
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I can't believe I'm actually posting this. I'm usually just a lurker, but
here are my guesses:

1. Recognition:  Truth    by CC Malo
2. Amantium Irae Amoris Integratio     by Ruth Ellison  (All right. I admit
it I had to look up the spelling of that title in my list of stories.)
3. Strategic Retreat    by ?
4. Two Roses     by ?
5. That Super Man of Mine   by Wendy Richards :)
6. It's About Time   by Zoomway
7. ? I know I have read it.

It took me a while to remember the titles of 3 and 4. I had just read over
Wendy's post and was thinking of the answers when I realized I was late
picking up my mother at her house for her doctor's appointment. Wendy, that
was a long post. :)  I was too embarrassed to tell my mother why I was late
picking her up.  ;)  But, there's an advantage to waiting more than an hour
in a doctor's office. I was reading some two-month old magazine when I
remembered the names of those 2 stories.

Wendy, thanks for the fun.

Ann
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 Erin wrote:

 >ROTFL!!!!!!!!  You tell 'em, Labbie!  No, we certainly won't buckle under
>Kryptonite, but if they decided to do us FoLCs in, a good virus would do
the
>trick... <vbg>
>
Er-in... you're not supposed to tell them!!!

Virus? virus? uhh...hmp-m, nope, wouldn't hurt us a bit, nope, not
us..umm...Have-you-noticed-how-hot-it's-been-lately? (smiles too big and
bats eyelashes)
-Diyan
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At 06:54 PM 7/29/99 EDT, Ann E. McBride wrote:
>I must admit, I'm very surprised to read this about you, Sheila.  As one of
>the premiere writers of nfic, I would have thought you'd prefer those
dashing
>Cavalier poets ("carpe diem" you know) to all those muck-raking, prudish
>Victorian novelists.<g>

(/me picks up the segue back to writing that Ann introduced.)  Yeah, but the
Victorians (poets, not novelists) sorta remind me of Clark:  proper and
mild-mannered on the outside, but with a deep vein of sensuality just below
the surface.  Besides, I spent most of my time on the Romantics (early 19th
century), who taught me that lots of romance and a little discretion work
wonders in raising the excitment levels.  (Okay, so I don't know discreet
>from a doggie treat, but that wasn't *their* fault ;)

>Of course, I got college credit for reading vast quantities
>of 16th, 17th, and 18th century works, some of which make even Mxysplit
(nfic
>version) look pretty tame.  <beg>

Whoa!  And I've always used Chaucer as my example of being explicit ("The
Miller's Tale", if you didn't do Middle English or Anglo-Saxon lit ;)

> I can see the scenes unfold as
>I read.

Thank you, Ann.  I try to make my stories read like an episode from the show
in prose--but with better A-plots than most of them <g>--and without
overwhelming the B-plots.  So if you can visualize my scenes, I'm doing it
right :)

Sheila
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Hi All,

I realise that I might be coming in at the end of this discussion but as =
a
writer I know how much I appreciate feedback and to those of you who are
wondering if an author would like to hear your opinion of their story the=
n
I believe that even a small message is worth a great deal.

If a story goes out on the archive and it receives little comment then I
know that I start to wonder if perhaps I have gone wrong somewhere and th=
at
I'm not writing what the readers like.  Any message is encouraging.

Jenni Debbage
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Sheila Harper wrote:
>
> At 02:02 PM 7/29/99 +0100, Wendy Richards wrote:
> >Absolutely! That is certainly what I did with 'A Conscious Choice,'
>
> Wendy, could you please send me "A Conscious Choice"?  I don't have the
> patience to cut and paste from the nfic boards, [etc.]

"A Conscious Choice?"  Is this new?  Never heard of it, although I
wouldn't mind "hearing of it."

> I have some comments for you re the last part of BBDF, but they also
include
> some suggestions re the balance of your A- and B-plots.  Do you want to
hear
> that kind of stuff or would you rather just have the parts where I tell
you
> I was really looking forward to getting part 3, and when I did, I felt
happy
> and satisfied, and that I loved the parts where (...fill in the blank.
I'll
> tell you in my real letter about it...)?  Or do you want the suggestions
> privately while I post the gushing parts to the fanfic list?

Argh!  I *really* wish I hadn't seen this.  Now I'm left to wonder what
the suggestions re the balance of her A- and B-plots might be. <sigh.>
Okay.  If I haven't already, I'll go read BBDF and try to imagine your
suggestions, while simultaneously trying to read between the lines of
your gushing post.

> (I decided I'm trying to encourage feedback :)

You'd get a lot of feedback if you posted it.  In the immortal words of
that weird cajun cook who uses a lot of cheap, jug wine and makes all
his "dishes" in huge soup pots.  "I'd gua-raan-tee.";)

> (you already know that I'm over 18, won't distribute without permission,
and
> am so far from being offended by the nfic content that I would be offended
> if you sent me a Bowlderized version, right? ;)

What does Bowlderized mean? I looked it up in the dictionary and
couldn't find.... Oh, it's spelled bowdlerize. Whew. I thought I'd have
to live in ignorance on this too.<g>  (I've been reading all these posts
on 17th and 18th century poets and writers and not understanding a
thing. Drat that stupid Machiavelli, Locke, and Rousseau!)

Debby wrote:
> >Sheila
> >(maybe I should do penance:  shave my head,
>
> Will you look like Lex Luthor then?
>
> >enter a nunnery, forswear
> >nfic--nah, that's too big a sacrifice ;)
>
> If you change your mind and do it, post the pictures somewhere
>
> Debby
> Debby@swcp.com
> anything for a laugh
> as long as someone else does it ;)

I'd be happy to post them on *my* site.  They'll be my first
pictures.<g>  I'll label them "FOLC#638, FOLC#639, FOLC#640" or maybe,
collectively; "Untitled in Red, Blue, and Yellow;" or "Metamorphosis."
-- something very esoterically, art gallery-ish to indicate seriousness.

Sandy
(who had been thinking, since Ms. Hatcher is now totally devoting
herself to the "th*ea*tre, dahling" of uploading an irrelevant picture
of Pamela Anderson Lee, pre-breast implant removal.  Nothing "sexy;"
just a regular, PG pic with the simple caption:  "This is Pamela
Anderson Lee."  I figured I'd get a lot of hits that way ... *but* those
bald Sheila pictures might work.)
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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:10:28 -0700 Debra Gray
<melisma@INTERGATE.BC.CA> wrote:

> At 06:43 PM 7/29/99 EDT, Zoomway wrote:
> >I really enjoyed "A Conscious Choice", Wendy, but I want to thank you for
> >putting "wonderful" in the same sentence as "If You Can't Beat 'Em" <g> I
was
> >bashed for that story when it first came out.
>
> ACK! Another Zoomway story I have never heard of! Where can I find it,
> please?

On the Archive, Debra!! And do also read Kari Umberg's sequel, 'Join
'Em.'

Wendy
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Well, you all outdid yourselves on this one - just shows you know
your revelations!

The answers are:
Extract 1: Recognition: Truth - Carol Malo
Extract 2: Amantium Irae Amoris Integratio - Ruth Ellison
Extract 3:  Strategic Retreat - BB Medos
Extract 4: Two Roses - Linda Love
Extract 5: That Super Man of Mine - Wendy Richards
Extract 6: It's About Time - Zoomway
Extract 7: Champagne Truths - Judith Tylke

Elena is the winner with all *seven* stories correctly identified and
only one author missing (Lynda Love, my very first editor, who was so
encouraging and kind, so I'll always have a soft spot for that story)
Ann H comes second with 6 right, and authors correct on 4 of those.
Pam and Nan tied for third, each with four correct.
Charlotte got 3 (1, 2 and 5; and was half-way there with 6)
Irene got 3 (1,2 and 3)
and an honourable mention for Anne, who got 2 right (1 and 7).

That's all from me for this week, since I don't have access to this
list over the weekend. Thanks for playing!

Wendy

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Just wanted to say that I think the quizzes are great, and
the idea of having some be category-specific (first lines,
funny bits, revelations) is even better!  Keep is up, FoLCs!!!

Peace
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At 02:58 AM 7/30/99 -0400, Sandy McDermin wrote:
>> I have some comments for you re the last part of BBDF, but they also
include
>> some suggestions re the balance of your A- and B-plots.
>
>Argh!  I *really* wish I hadn't seen this.  Now I'm left to wonder what
>the suggestions re the balance of her A- and B-plots might be. <sigh.>

Don't worry, Sandy.  Wendy said I could post both kinds of comments to the
list, so you can read my suggestions as well as my gush.

>> (you already know that I'm over 18, won't distribute without permission,
and
>> am so far from being offended by the nfic content that I would be
offended
>> if you sent me a Bowlderized version, right? ;)
>
>What does Bowlderized mean? I looked it up in the dictionary and
>couldn't find.... Oh, it's spelled bowdlerize. Whew. I thought I'd have
>to live in ignorance on this too.<g>

Oops!  Can't even plead a typo on that one.  Serves me right for not looking
up the correct spelling before typing it.  Sorry about that :}

>Debby wrote:
>> >Sheila
>> >(maybe I should do penance:  shave my head,
>>
>> If you change your mind and do it, post the pictures somewhere
>
>I'd be happy to post them on *my* site.  They'll be my first
>pictures.<g>  I'll label them "FOLC#638, FOLC#639, FOLC#640" or maybe,
>collectively; "Untitled in Red, Blue, and Yellow;" or "Metamorphosis."
>-- something very esoterically, art gallery-ish to indicate seriousness.
> I figured I'd get a lot of hits that way ... *but* those
>bald Sheila pictures might work.)

ROTFLMAO!  Sandy, your sense of humor has always had me falling out of my
chair.  Every time I imagine bald pictures of me being displayed in an art
gallery-ish fashion, I start snickering again.  As far as Debby wondering if
I'd look like Lex Luthor:  I'd probably look more like that mechanical
disguise Arnold Schwarzenegger used in "Total Recall" after it stopped
working and its wig fell off.  (A little younger, not as tall or heavy, but
you get the idea <g>)

Sheila
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In a message dated 7/30/99 1:28:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<< /me picks up the segue back to writing that Ann introduced.)  Yeah, but
the
 Victorians (poets, not novelists) sorta remind me of Clark:  proper and
 mild-mannered on the outside, but with a deep vein of sensuality just below
 the surface.

Point well taken.

<<  Besides, I spent most of my time on the Romantics (early 19th
 century), who taught me that lots of romance and a little discretion work
 wonders in raising the excitment levels.

Methinks that I tend to forget those guys -- since every course I ever took
was chronological, my most lasting memories are of the Realists.  (Who, if
they were right in their asssessment of the human condition, are/were enough
to send one screaming away from reality.)

  (Okay, so I don't know discreet
 from a doggie treat, but that wasn't *their* fault ;)

LOL.  Have you had any complaints>  <g>

 >Of course, I got college credit for reading vast quantities
 >of 16th, 17th, and 18th century works, some of which make even Mxysplit
(nfic
 >version) look pretty tame.  <beg>

<< Whoa!  And I've always used Chaucer as my example of being explicit ("The
 Miller's Tale", if you didn't do Middle English or Anglo-Saxon lit ;)

Oh yeah, a whole semester of nothing but Chaucer, in the original Middle
English.  (Being a French major was a definite bonus there.)  And yes,
Chaucer can be fairly explicit (i.e. the Miller's Tale, the Reeve's Tale).
However, he has nothing on Sade ( the Marquis de, not the singer).  When I
had to read Sade in college and grad school, I would find myself blushing,
alone in my apartment.  Of course, I was much younger and more sheltered
then.

<<  I try to make my stories read like an episode from the show
 in prose--but with better A-plots than most of them <g>--and without
 overwhelming the B-plots.  So if you can visualize my scenes, I'm doing it
 right :)
  >>
That's what it is!  It's the A-plots.  It does seem as if some of the
writers
for the show had problems of balance -- either a good A-plot with a weak
B-plot or vice-versa.
But yes, you are definitely doing it right.

Ann
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On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:37:28 -0500 Sheila Harper
<sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US> wrote:

> Don't worry, Sandy.  Wendy said I could post both kinds of comments to the
> list, so you can read my suggestions as well as my gush.
>

That's right, Sheila; only if you want to, of course!

What I thought was, knowing from past experience that Sheila's
suggestions are always *incredibly* constructive and encouraging, if
she does have such comments to make on BBDF then some of those
suggestions could also be helpful to other authors. Especially if
they relate, as she has suggested, to things like the balance between
A and B plots. A sort of on-line writers' seminar, perhaps :)

Wendy
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In a message dated 7/30/99 3:00:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:

<< I've been reading all these posts
 on 17th and 18th century poets and writers and not understanding a
 thing. Drat that stupid Machiavelli, Locke, and Rousseau!) >>

I'm sorry, Sandy.  You must have read Rousseau in philosophy or political
science class.  Had you read his work in French class, you could have read
all the steamy stuff too. <g>

Ann
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Yvonne posted yesterday (not an exact quote, I don't have the message
here):

"'President' Sheila reads my work??"

See, it's exactly as I said! All writers go through feelings of
insecurity about their work, either thinking it's terrible, or that
no-one reads it, or that their latest isn't as good as the previous.
Yvonne, I have to say that I personally *love* your work. You have a
great knack of presenting deeply-emotional stories based around a
particular WHAM or external event, and showing us exactly how L&C
work through the situation, both in a practical and an emotional
sense. Your characters, to me, are very vivid and *in* character -
there is a line in 'Fear of Discovery', for instance, where I just
sat back and thought '*Yes,* that is Clark, just the way I envisage
him.' It's this, where Lois has asked whether Clark2 could be
'eavesdropping' on their intimacy:

Clark replies: "Lois, trust me, he - and I - respect each other's
privacy. That channel is closed, shut down, locked and barred with
steel shutters. No entry." He emphasised his point with a
sweep of his flattened hand.

Wonderful!

And just to reassure you - I, and no doubt many others, am already
eagerly awaiting your next work. Sequel to FoD, I hope? ;)

Wendy
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Seeing as Wendy doesn't have access to this list over the weekend, I
decided to try to put together a more difficult quiz that might get us
through till Monday.

These stories are all off private webpages although two are in the
archive also.  When I post answers, I will also give URLs to these
sites.

Good luck,
Irene

1.

"I'll only be gone for a day or two," Clark explained to Lois. She was
sitting up in bed for the first time since yesterday, when she had been
well. The skin below her eyes was red, and she looked like an
all-around mess, with her hair mussed up and no makeup at all.

"That's fine," Lois said drearily. "But what if I need something?" she
said. "I can barely hold my head up, so how am I supposed to get to the
bathroom?" Although it was unspoken, both of them knew that Jonathan
and Martha would have dropped their other plans to rush to Metropolis
and care for Lois, had they still been alive. In fact, there were many
things that Jonathan and Martha had once done that Lois and Clark were
now unable to do.

"I've got someone," Clark said, and as he said that, their bedroom door
opened, and Ellen Lane walked in. She was holding a tray in her hands,
and had a huge smile on her lips. "I've brought some chicken noodle
soup," she said. "That should be just the thing for you." Before Lois
could speak, she said, "Or do you have a fever? 'Feed a cold, starve a
fever.' Or is that 'Feed a fever, starve a cold'?" She had ceased
talking to her daughter, and was now talking solely to herself. "'Feed
a fever and feed a cold'? "Starve a fever and--"

"Just hand over the tray," Lois said, rubbing her nose. "I don't know
about fevers or colds, but I do know I'm hungry."

Clark smiled as he watched the witty banter between the two Lane women.
"Lois is just like her mother," Clark thought to himself. "They'll be
just fine while I'm away."

2.

"Where am I?" she wondered. She recalled a deafening noise, a great
pain, Clark holding her in his arms and then ...

Nothing but blackness.

Clark. Her brow furrowed and Mayson caught her breath as she remembered
seeing the Superman logo peeping from between the popped buttons of his
pale blue shirt. In the instant before she lost consciousness, Mayson
Drake had discovered Clark was Superman. He had deceived her! Superman
equals Clark? She shook her head in disbelief, moaning as sparks of
pain bounced around inside her head.

It certainly explained his strange behaviour, including the odd
departures that Lois Lane took for granted. `But Lois must know,'
Mayson thought to herself. Many questions rose to the forefront of her
mind, but she pushed them away as the door opened and a new dilemma
presented itself.

3.

"Hi. I told you it would be boring." She wiped her face and neck with a
towel.
"Hi, honey," he said, hoping she wouldn't mind the new name he was
trying out.
"Did you just call me honey?'," she asked, taken aback a little.
"I thought I'd try it out. You don't like it?"

Lois, not wanting to seem abnormal, and deep down really liking to hear
Clark call her that, knowing that he meant it, replied, "Well, I didn't
say that. It's just the first time you've ever called me that." She
paused for a moment, considering the name, "I think I kind of like it,
. . . sweetheart." She grinned as she heard that last word come out of
her month, and she kissed him on the cheek. She had never used that
word before, but, then, she had never felt about anyone the way she
felt about Clark. Every day, as she woke up, she was amazed that she
felt so good. Unlike everyone else in her life, she knew that Clark
would be there for her. Sure, he might be rushing off to save someone
or avert a world disaster, but, whenever she really needed him, he'd be
there. She was still getting used to that concept, but, slowly, the
insecurities were fading away -- some of them anyway.

4.

     Clark's head jerked sideways as a certain familiar word pierced
through the crowds and hit his consciousness like a bull's-eye.  He
didn't understand the response that followed, but he knew it was a
woman's voice.  And then, a second later, a loud blast echoed through
the park.  Immediately, he looked around himself for the anxious,
questioning faces of the others in the crowd, but no one was showing
the
least amount of interest because...

     <<Omigod!>>

no one could ... hear.
     That was no woman! Clark's heartbeat jumped erratically in
recognition. That was-- Lois! Something's happened!  Something's
happened to Lois and the kids!

5

So, obviously he had to do something with his clothes when he changed.
She ruled out her first thought that he stashed them on his being.
Where would he have kept them?  She’d seen how snugly his costume fit,
showing every tiny, incredible detail of his male form….

‘Lois, don’t go there,’ she reprimanded herself quickly, but not before
an appreciative smile crossed her face.  She forced herself to think.
Maybe he just had to ditch his clothes wherever he decided to change
into the Superman costume.  After all…his clothes had to go somewhere.

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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:43:45 EDT The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> I really enjoyed "A Conscious Choice", Wendy, but I want to thank you for
> putting "wonderful" in the same sentence as "If You Can't Beat 'Em" <g> I
was
> bashed for that story when it first came out. One fan even sent me a
*nine*
> page drubbing for daring to have Lois sleep with Superman and for Clark
Kent
> being deceitful in that way.

I really can't understand that, Zoom. Sure, we all know that it would
have been wrong for Clark to do that (as I tried to show in
'Conscious Choice'). But what you showed extremely well in 'Beat 'Em'
was the reasoning Clark followed, which included a realisation that
as Superman he *was* real to Lois, not simply the 'cartoom cut-out'
that I've described him as believing Superman to be. So if Superman
is a real person, why can't he have a real relationship?

Of course, Superman isn't an *entire* person; but then, neither is
Clark! And it would therefore be equally wrong of Clark to start a
relationship with Lois without telling her the truth. So why is one
considered to be less 'bad' than the other?

And anyway, where's the novelty in Clark being deceitful? Wasn't he
deceitful all along? Every time he told Lois 'Superman told me...' or
vice versa, he was deceitful; every time he flirted with her as
Superman he was deceitful; even when he tried to romance her as Clark
he was deceitful because he wouldn't allow her to see him as he
really was. Okay, sleeping with her took it a step further, but I
feel that, since he did it (in your story) in the context of a loving
relationship (and unlike my story, where she did feel like she was
his girlfriend however much the relationship had to be a secret), it
certainly was not the act of a complete b**tard. ;)

> I tried to figure a logical way to do that [have Superman have a
> relationship with Lois] without compromising
> their characters or ethics. Not that I was entirely successful,

Here, I have to disagree. Superman's ethics were still there; he did
feel guilty about not having told Lois the whole truth. And he
intended to tell her as soon as he could find the right moment.

>  That's why I loved your nfic
> story. It was a matter of Clark truly trying to be a "good boy", but not
> succeeding ... entirely ;) I thought it was quite believable.
>
Thank you! I'm very glad it worked.

BTW, for those who have asked, I do intend to edit 'A Conscious
Choice' to a PG or PG13 version, but not just yet; I currently have
*three* stories at various stages in the Archive editing process, and
I don't want to seem greedy by sending any more in!

Wendy
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Hi Irene,

> These stories are all off private webpages although two are in the
> archive also.  When I post answers, I will also give URLs to these
> sites.
>

Ouch!! Hard!

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> 5
>
> So, obviously he had to do something with his clothes when he changed.
> She ruled out her first thought that he stashed them on his being.
[snip]

Well, I knew this one instantly! It's Erin Klingler's hilarious story
'Where, oh where do Supes' clothes go?' A Kerth award winner for Best
Comedy, deservedly.

Wendy

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From: Audrey Rempel <audo65@YAHOO.COM>
>Okay, this one I know!  Burnout, by the incomparable
>LabRat!  Loved it!  Waiting impatiently for 2nd Degree
>Burns! ... very impatiently!
>
Yes, you fans are chomping at the bit here, Emily LabRat Bronte, so
where is it?  (The impatient crowd starts to get
ugly...)

Peggy  ;-)
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I forgot to request that people make sure they leave a spoiler space
when they answer this quiz.

Thanks,
Irene

--- "Irene D." <sirenegold@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Seeing as Wendy doesn't have access to this list
> over the weekend, I
> decided to try to put together a more difficult quiz
> that might get us
> through till Monday.
>
> These stories are all off private webpages although
> two are in the
> archive also.  When I post answers, I will also give
> URLs to these
> sites.
>
> Good luck,
> Irene
>

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Hi all,

Has this been a busy list this week! I finally get caught up enough to go
MAIL again and I get a *flood* of mail in my mailbox.  LOL, it's either
feast or famine.  When I was NOMAIL, I was getting like 5 messages a day
and was going through culture shock because of it <g> but now that I sign
back on the list, all heck breaks loose. <g>

So, I'm only up to Wednesday with my list mail .. forgive me if this has
been addressed. :)

At 4:56 PM +0200 7/28/99, Celia Carvalho wrote:

>I'd like to thank Kathy Brown for having sent me the eps on the S6 that I
was
>missing. :)

You're welcome. :)

>
>I've just finished reading Hypergirl, by Crystal Wimmer. I've been reading
too
>some of your comments on feedback. Well, I would like to have sent this
email
>directly to Crystal, but I couldn't find her email address anywhere in the
>story.

As far as I know, Crystal's email is still <jcwimmer@aol.com>. Sorry it
wasn't on the story file.  Some I tried to go through and put in the
headings for you, Celia, but I must have missed that one since it was the
first one I sent you.

I have no idea if Crystal is on the list or not, so you might want to
forward your email to her personally. :)  I agree that it's a wonderful
episode.  I was very, very pleased with it when it came out.  I thought it
felt *so* much like a real episode of L&C.  She did a great job!

>Only one thing left me wondering: isn't it strange that now all the Kents
know
>how Laura will look like after she grows up?

If I remember correctly, L&C don't know how much of Laura's teenage years
were "real" and how much was "Mxy".  Did he just look into the future and
have her grow up the way she would have otherwise?  Or did he make sure
things met his purposes of distraction by making *sure* she had powers?
We'll never know .. and neither will L&C. :)

Kathy (who, everytime she reads a day's worth of posts, another day and a
half comes in <bg>)

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> Sending feedback still scares me a bit.  The more I admire someone, the
> harder it is to think of something to say.  I know perfectly well that
they
> want to hear I liked their story, but when it comes to actually writing
the
> thing, my mind goes blank.  That's why, half the time, I end up having to
> give up.  I know I shouldn't, but a great fanfic deserves more than just
"I
> loved your fanfic" and that's all my awe induced brain freeze will let me
> think of.

Jessi, this is exactly how I feel.  But also, I have to confess, I'm often
just selfish and lazy and I'd rather spend my free time reading more fanfic
than composing feedback. (writing scares me; that's why I'm just a reader
and not a writer.)  So, whether from awe or from laziness, sometimes I don't
send anything, and sometimes I settle for the simple "I loved your fanfic"
even though our wonderful authors deserve more.

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Wendy wrote:

>s
>p
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>r
>
>s
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>e
>
>
>> 5
>>
>> So, obviously he had to do something with his clothes when he changed.
>> She ruled out her first thought that he stashed them on his being.
>[snip]
>
>Well, I knew this one instantly! It's Erin Klingler's hilarious story
>'Where, oh where do Supes' clothes go?' A Kerth award winner for Best
>Comedy, deservedly.

You guys won't believe this, but when I read Irene's #5 excerpt, I thought,
"Wow, that sounds like a good one.  I'll have to find out which story that
is and go read it."  And then when Wendy replied it was mine, I was
extremely confused and thought, "No, that's not mine!  I would remember
that..."  Then it bugged me so much I pulled up my document version of
"Where Oh Where" just to prove to myself that Wendy was wrong, and ....oops.
<sg>  I was ROTFL!!!!!  Actually, I'm still laughing as I type this!  Geez,
I think I seriously need a vacation, if I can't remember my own story!  LOL

Erin  (who is looking up the number of the nearest travel agent after I send
this.. <sg>)
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S
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#5 is Erin Klingler's 'Where Oh Where Do Superman's Clothes Go?'. It was
HILARIOUS, Erin - a well-deserved Kerth nominee this year!

I don't recognize any others, so Monday and the answers will arrive far too
slowly for my happiness, Irene :)

Debra G
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>s
>p
>o
>i
>l
>e
>r
>
>s
>p
>a
>c
>e
>
>
>> 5
>>
>> So, obviously he had to do something with his clothes when he changed.
>> She ruled out her first thought that he stashed them on his being.
>[snip]
>
>Well, I knew this one instantly! It's Erin Klingler's hilarious story
>'Where, oh where do Supes' clothes go?' A Kerth award winner for Best
>Comedy, deservedly.
>

Actually,  "Three Capes to the Wind" won for Best Comedy, and it much
deserved it, IMO!  Great job to you RR writers on that one!  ;)  "Where Oh
Where..." won the Kerth for Best Vignette/Short Story, instead.  I was
tickled to death about that, btw. <g>

I just had to set the record straight so you RR-ers didn't get mad at me.
<g>  What kind of Kerth coordinator would I be if I didn't?  :)

Keep up these quizzes, guys!  I'm having a blast learning about great
stories I haven't read before.

Erin :)
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At 11:48 AM 7/30/99 -0600, Erin Klingler wrote:
>
>>s
>>p
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>>e
>>r
>>
>>s
>>p
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>>e
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>>
>>> 5
>>>
>You guys won't believe this, but when I read Irene's #5 excerpt, I thought,
>"Wow, that sounds like a good one.  I'll have to find out which story that
>is and go read it."  And then when Wendy replied it was mine, I was
>extremely confused and thought, "No, that's not mine!  I would remember
>that..."  Then it bugged me so much I pulled up my document version of
>"Where Oh Where" just to prove to myself that Wendy was wrong, and
....oops.

Actually, Erin, I've been thinking that with several of the entries--not
just Irene's, but on a number of the quizzes.  Sometimes the sections are
obscure or too much like scenes in several other fanfics, and it's really
tough to tell the difference between one story and another.  I recognized
Erin's story because of the giveaway "where his clothes go" line, but
without a distinguishing comment to reference the story, it can be really,
really hard.  Out of all the quizzes on both lists, there's only been 1
story I haven't read, but I sure haven't recognized/remembered all of them.

Sheila

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>BTW, for those who have asked, I do intend to edit 'A Conscious
>Choice' to a PG or PG13 version, but not just yet; I currently have
>*three* stories at various stages in the Archive editing process, and
>I don't want to seem greedy by sending any more in!
>
>Wendy

Oooh, Wendy, please be greedy! (After all, I am, when it comes to your
stories :)

Debra
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I can not remember who ask these questions for a fanfic, but I just finished
watching "Never on Sunday" and two
things came up.
1) Jimmy's middle name - Bartholomew(sp)
2) Clark's birthday - Feburary 28, 1966

Brenda
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feedback.... interesting topic  :)

for me, most of my feedback was initially given "live" on irc... I stumbled
on the reruns on TNT, then found fanfic, and shortly after that, #loiscla
on irc, and was stunned to see such "famous" names as Zoomway, KathyB,
Crystal Wimmer, and so many others just... right there, with us common
folk!  I honestly felt like I was hanging out with all these famous people!
 I was truly in awe, and I can only assume that my goofiness was apparent
when I would finally work up enough nerve to message a writer and tell them
how much I enjoyed their work.  I'm sure I actually scared Sheila, when she
finally showed up on irc one day and I instantly ambushed her gushing and
telling her that she was one of my favorite writers, period, fanfic or
otherwise.  I mean, yikes!  Poor gal  :)

and of course like many, my love of fanfic inspired me to try my hand at
writing as well-- and I managed to come up with a short nfic of my own.  I
posted it on zoom's old boards.... and didn't hear a word back from anyone.
Nothing, negative or positive.  After almost a year I did get two emails I
think, and a positive nudge to write more just recently from Labrat--which
was a total surprise to me.

So... who cares, right?  Well, I guess I'd have to admit that yes, the lack
of feedback probably kept me from trying to write any more.  I  thought,
wow, was it that bad and no one wants to hurt my feelings?  By the time I
got over myself and ended my little pity party (heehee) and remembered why I
wrote it, how much I enjoyed it, real life intruded with finishing school,
moving, a new job, pregnancy, another new job, moving again--and that's just
been since last june!  but I'll keep plugging on and maybe someday actually
finish something I've started.

Now you're thinking, what a stinkin' martyr, hand to her brow, exclaiming
"Oh you cruel people, if you'd only written, I'd have bestowed more gems on
you!" Ha!  Nothing of the sort!   I guess my point is (and yes, after all
this, I do have one, other than the one on top of my head...) I can't
be the only one who was affected fairly negatively by the lack of feedback.
I mean,  positive reinforcement can only encourage, and if you read a story
you like and tell the author how much you enjoyed it,  they're a lot more
likely to write more  :)

Just my thoughts  :)

cerise
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Well, I peaked (I have no shame) so I can't name  Erin's "Where, O
Where...".
 Guessing here on #2.
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#2 - Leanne Shawler's "This Drake Is No Sitting Duck"

Carol
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In a message dated 7/30/99 6:08:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
cndcherry@MINDSPRING.COM writes:

<< Now you're thinking, what a stinkin' martyr, hand to her brow, exclaiming
 "Oh you cruel people, if you'd only written, I'd have bestowed more gems on
 you!" Ha!  Nothing of the sort!   I guess my point is (and yes, after all
 this, I do have one, other than the one on top of my head...) I can't
 be the only one who was affected fairly negatively by the lack of feedback.
 I mean,  positive reinforcement can only encourage, and if you read a story
 you like and tell the author how much you enjoyed it,  they're a lot more
 likely to write more  :) >>

I can testify to the fact that you're not the martyr type, Cerise ;) I can
also testify that Cerise does in fact practice what she preaches. Just the
other night she complimented the story I wrote for the fanzine. I was very
touched. I also have to raise my hand, with much guilt, over the fact that
I'm often remiss when it comes to sending my compliments to an author.  I
can't even offer up a viable excuse, because it takes so little time to send
off a compliment, yet can mean a great deal to the recipient. I do try and
send a compliment as soon as I've finished reading, because if I don't, I'm
doomed. I will not only forget the title but the author as well. I never
send
negative feedback, and that's a good thing, because the most recent "fanfic"
I read was a really dreadful "Mary Sue" fic. Not even the traditional kind
where the author places herself in the story as the romantic interest of the
*character*, but worse, the writer placing herself in an affair with the
*actor* who portrated the character. I cringe at the lingering memory <g>

I think there's also another element at work here in terms of stories and
writing to authors. As incredible as it seems, I think there is *more*
fanfic
written about this show now that it's ended, than there was when it was
still
airing <g>  That being the case, I think some of us "old timers" had an
advantage in that there just weren't that many stories out there. When Dean
and Teri said they read an nfic (steamfic back then) and described it (they
couldn't remember the title), it was fairly easy to guess which one they
were
talking about since there was so little of it back in 95. Today, no way
could
we even attempt to figure out which one they meant <g>

You should take heart, Cerise, in that this show seems to keep creating new
fans. Once they find the fanfic archive, they start reading. You'll be
amazed
to get a compliment on a story you might have written a year or more ago.
The
fanfic, just like the series, keeps getting rediscovered. Keep writing.
Having a repertoire of stories can also be an advantage in that there's
bound
to be something in the sheer variety that will touch a fan who enjoys that
particular type of story. I'm a sucker for alt universe stories, for example
;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 08:23 PM 7/29/1999 -0600, Debby wrote:
>At 02:02 PM 07/29/1999 +0100, Wendy wrote:
>>[snip] And, of course, there are the clear similarities between
>>my BBDF series and Debby & Margaret's SwapMeet, for which I hope I am
>>forgiven ;)
>I'm sure I'll forgive you as soon as I have time to read it :)
>
>Debby
>Debby@swcp.com
>Wendy fan
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Margaret seconds this motion (which is a fancy way of saying "me too"<g>)

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In a message dated 7/30/99 9:54:38 AM Central Daylight Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< I really can't understand that, Zoom. Sure, we all know that it would
 have been wrong for Clark to do that (as I tried to show in
 'Conscious Choice'). But what you showed extremely well in 'Beat 'Em'
 was the reasoning Clark followed, which included a realisation that
 as Superman he *was* real to Lois, not simply the 'cartoom cut-out'
 that I've described him as believing Superman to be. So if Superman
 is a real person, why can't he have a real relationship? >>

Oh, I agree, you don't have to sell me on that idea, Wendy <g> I wanted to
establish that Lois saw Clark and Superman as two different men in a broader
sense than one wearing a costume and having amazing powers, and the other
being a "regular guy" from Kansas.

>>>Of course, Superman isn't an *entire* person; but then, neither is
Clark! And it would therefore be equally wrong of Clark to start a
relationship with Lois without telling her the truth. So why is one
considered to be less 'bad' than the other?<<<

True. While it seemed to be in Clark's head that he personally felt he was
being more honest in desiring a relationship with Lois as "Clark",  that
appraisal had almost as many missing truths as Superman did. The
"technicality" that he was also an alien from another planet didn't seem to
enter into his reasoning.

>>>Here, I have to disagree. Superman's ethics were still there; he did
feel guilty about not having told Lois the whole truth. And he
intended to tell her as soon as he could find the right moment.<<<

Thank you, I'm glad you believe I did. In the long run, I think it was just
a
matter of timing with the old story. Fans, way back when, got the feeling
that Clark even considering loving Lois as Superman and being comfortable
with Lois loving him that way, was just out of the question in those days.
The good news is, as the series evolved as it did, things that might have
seemed unacceptable, had a logical evolution that made them possible or even
probable later on.

>>>Thank you! I'm very glad it worked.<<<

I did indeed...ooo laaaa weee ;)

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Peggy wrote:
>>
>Yes, you fans are chomping at the bit here, Emily LabRat Bronte, so
>where is it?  (The impatient crowd starts to get ugly...)
>
<g> Um....well actually....you might have to wait a little bit longer. And
this is all Wendy's fault too. <bg> I posted a quick little vignette to
Zoom's mbs this week and she's persuaded me that it needs expanding into a
rewrite of the clone arc. And since the Muse seems suddenly to agree with
her - what's a girl to do? So unfortunately I think the next story out of
the stable is going to be an expansion of Wedding Jitters - sorry! Although
I may have to think of a better title than that one, now that it's growing
up into a fully fledged story. <G>

Emily LabRat Bronte? You confuseth me with someone else, methinks, my
friend. :) Has a certain ring to it though. I'm sure that was probably her
middle name and she just didn't let on.

LabRat (still wishing for a time machine to give her a 50 hour day...)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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poured into his clothes and had forgotten to say "When!"  -- PG Wodehouse,
Very Good, Jeeves.

"We're living in an age where you have to call a chick and ask her if she'll
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Zoom wrote:

 I'm a sucker for alt universe stories, for example
>;)

Okay, Zoom - just for you and since I figure that I might as well take
*advantage* of the fact that my fanfic index is categorised by story type
and indulge this craze for specialised quizzes ;):

These are all from fanfic set in the alternative universe:

1.  Clark finally began to respond. He didn't open his eyes, or fully
wake up. Instead, he began tossing from one side to the other, as
though he was having a nightmare, then he began moaning in his
sleep, something like Lewis, or Lois. Dr Klein had no idea what
that may have meant. Clark's heart rate began to vary wildly:
it would nearly stop, and then it would become so rapid that the
EKG couldn't keep up with it. Dear God, Dr Klein thought, he was
watching Superman battle for his life and there was nothing he,
or anyone else could do to help.
    Clark's vital signs finally stabilized themselves, but they were
significantly different from his normal readings. The tossing
and turning lessened, but Clark continued to cry out, "Lois,
Lois... Lois, I need you!"
     "God, I hope this Lois person shows up," Dr Klein muttered to
himself.
     An hour later, Clark finally woke up. "Where... where am I?" he
asked, still a bit dazed.
     "You're in S.T.A.R. Labs, Superman," Dr Klein replied. "The
police brought you here after you were hit with the red
kryptonite. You've been in and out of consciousness for a few
hours now. You were saying something about someone named Lois in
your sleep... can you tell me who that is?"
      The mere mention of her name caused Clark terrible pain. "Oh God,
Lois!" he cried out. "Lois. come back, I need you! Lois...
Lois...." His voice trailed off, but he kept repeating her
name. His vital signs began to drop as well. Beads of sweat began
to collect on Clark's brow as he shuddered in pain.
      "Clark! Snap out of it!" Dr Klein yelled. He shook Clark, but
couldn't get him to come to his senses. "Clark, stop it! Just
relax; you need your rest."
       He sat up suddenly, still dazed. "Don't you see?" Clark asked
frantically, "I need her! I can't keep going! I can't keep
living like this without her. I'm tired of being alone. I need
her... Lois, I need you...."
       Clark was gasping for air now. With each breath, he repeated her
name: "Lois... Lois... Lois...."

2.   It was a dreary morning in Metropolis.  Lois Lane stood alone on a
platform
in front of the world-famous Daily Planet globe.  She'd been up all night,
calling all the media people she could get, organizing a press conference.
      The first person she'd spoken to last night had been Clark.  She'd
made
sure he knew what she was doing and why.  He'd been very supportive and
she'd had to talk quick to keep him away from Luthor.
      She caught his eye in the crowd and he winked at her, mouthing the
words,
"I love you."
       She mouthed back, "me too," then said, "People of Metropolis, may I
have
your attention please?  Most of you know me as Lois Lane, a reporter for the
Daily Planet.  I'm here today to tell you that I am also Ultra Woman."
        "Ms. Lane?  Kim Carrigan, LNN News.  Are you from the same planet as
Superman?"
       "Yes, I am.  We're both from the planet Krypton."
       "Kate Perez, Metropolis Star.  Are you related to Superman?"
        "No, I'm not."
        "Excuse me, Catherine Grant, Daily Planet.  Are you Superman's
girlfriend?"
        A hush fell over the crowd and Clark joined her on the platform.  He
looked
deeply into her eyes before saying to the crowd, "Yes, she is.  I realize
everyone has a lot more questions but you can read all about it on the front
page of the Daily Planet, thank you."
        Clark put his arm around Lois and helped her off the stage.
        "So, I'm your girlfriend, huh?"
         "Aren't you?"
         "Yeah, I guess I am."

3.   Klein glanced nervously at Lois, "There really shouldn't be any
 members of the press here, Superman."
    "She's actually here in case something goes wrong, Dr. Klein."
    "Um...yes," Lois said, trying to pick up on Clark's lead. "If
 anything goes wrong and Superman....doesn't return, then I will
 at least verify the fact that you exhausted every other avenue at
 your disposal in the event you're forced to use the nuclear
 alternative. You *have* exhausted every other avenue, right?"
    Clark looked reprovingly at her, "Lois--"
    Lois, ignoring his warning glance, continued. "Because I think
 Superman should only be subjected to such great risk if there is
 absolutely no other way to deal with a problem."
    Klein blinked a couple of times as if he'd been temporarily
 hypnotised by Lois's tirade. "Of course, Ms. Lane. I'd never put
 anyone unnecessarily at risk, not just Superman."
    Clark smiled and patted Klein on the shoulder, "I know you
 wouldn't, Doctor. Now what exactly am I supposed to do?"

4.  Clark Kent looked around the garden/patio of his penthouse level
apartment and sighed in contentment.  Not bad, not bad at all.
It seemed like his life was finally settling into a routine of
sorts again, following his very public unmasking the year before.
He'd had to give up his reporting job, but one of Mayor White's
first actions had been to put Superman on a very generous
retainer, which the citizens of Metropolis had been only too glad
to pay.  He was a sort of city employee now, although he punched
no time clock and had no set hours--so far, they'd been grateful
for any super assistance they could get.  His sense of
duty was too strong to allow him to abuse his privileges.
      Those perks hadn't, at first, included this apartment, but when a
souvenir-hunting burglar had ransacked his old apartment, the
Mayor had declared that the "hero of the city" needed better
accommodations, and the City Council had fallen all over
themselves to acquiesce--much to Clark's private amusement.  Just
because he'd been working on a story about city corruption before the
election. . .
      When he'd started being Superman, he'd thrown himself into the
job with a passion--it had seemed to be the only thing he had
left, and he had applied himself to it with single-minded
determination.  He hadn't realized how little rest he allowed
himself, how tired he was becoming, until one memorable night
when, almost in a stupor, he'd nearly disarmed the cop instead of
the criminal.  The policeman, luckily, had been a fatherly man
who'd been able to get through to him, and had later gone to talk
to the Mayor.  That had earned him a visit from the Mayor's wife,
and from that point on, Alice had appointed herself his
foster-mother, insisting that he take breaks and not burn himself
out.  He'd since settled into a routine of two four-hour shifts a
day, checking the city; patrols that he flew at irregular hours.
He'd started working closely with the police, as well, getting to
know them and learning what they knew about the criminal element,
how to defuse bombs, and various other useful tidbits.  He had no
desire to supplant the police--he simply wanted to help.
       Yes, he was pretty well adjusted.  Sometimes he could even go for
ten minutes at a time without thinking of Lois.
       It would be difficult to overstate the effect that Lois Lane had
had on his life.  That "strange visitor from another world," as
Mr. Wells had described her, had upset him from the first moment
he'd seen her.  A complete stranger, she'd walked straight up and
kissed him, smiling intimately.  And if that hadn't been bad enough,
she'd followed that up by knowing all about his alien origins.  She'd
known, and yet still she'd smiled at him, showing none of the
fear or disgust he'd always expected to face.
      Her beauty, her acceptance of him, and her loving concern over
his parents' death had been a potent brew, and he'd been helpless
before it.  He was ready to do anything she wanted him to, even
if it involved wearing a silly costume.  And the feeling of
finally using his unique abilities openly, fully, and for a good
cause had made him euphoric, and eternally grateful to the woman
who'd made it possible.
       His later visit to her universe had aroused painfully mixed
feelings--he was glad he'd had the chance to help, and he
wouldn't have missed the chance to meet and spend time with the
alternate Jonathan and Martha. . . and yet he'd been fiercely
jealous of his alternate's life, and leaving Lois again had been the
most difficult thing he'd done since. . . watching her leave, the first
time.
     Still, some part of him knew that she was not for him; *his* Lois
would be different, somehow, subtly.  That is, if she could be
found.

5.  When he turned the corner into the hallway, he felt like his heart was
in his throat!! After all, he was going to see her! Lois Lane, the runaway.
His feet were barely touching the ground as he headed for her classroom. He
stopped suddenly, thinking where were his flowers??? He should have gotten
flowers! Then he realized with a pang in his heart, he was twelve years old
all over again! Twelve was such a heartbreaking year for girls, he
thought--this had to be better. He felt like he was about to explode with
excitement as he stopped at her door.
    There at the blackboard, with her back to Clark, was the most attractive
sight he had seen all day! For a moment he was scared he had guessed wrong,
that this wasn't the woman he was looking for after all. Let me explain why.
The best way to describe her is from head to toe. Exactly the way he saw
her.
      Her hair was this intense, long mass of dark, dark brown curls with
flecks of auburn scattered throughout for highlights. She was wearing it in
a ponytail to keep some air on her neck, but even then, the end of it landed
somewhere down the middle of her back. She wore a crisp white shirt with
sleeves rolled up to her elbows tucked into a wonderful, snug-fitting pair
of jeans and at the bottom accented with a pair of gray alligator boots. She
was just incredible to look at, he thought. He would have stared longer, but
afraid he might get caught in the act, he cleared his throat.

Okay, they're all yours!

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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"The Right Hon was a tubby little chap who looked as though he had been
poured into his clothes and had forgotten to say "When!"  -- PG Wodehouse,
Very Good, Jeeves.

"We're living in an age where you have to call a chick and ask her if she'll
wear a dress tonight. And they say, "You're weird."  --- Tim Rose.
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Cerise wrote:

>and of course like many, my love of fanfic inspired me to try my hand at
>writing as well-- and I managed to come up with a short nfic of my own.  I
>posted it on zoom's old boards.... and didn't hear a word back from anyone.
>Nothing, negative or positive.  After almost a year I did get two emails I
>think, and a positive nudge to write more just recently from Labrat--which
>was a total surprise to me.
>
Cerise you astound me. Anyone out there who's signed up to Zoom's old nfic
boards who hasn't read Never Say Never - you're missing a real treat. It's
cute, it's waffy and who couldn't resist Clark in a Peter Pan outfit? <g>

>So... who cares, right?  Well, I guess I'd have to admit that yes, the lack
>of feedback probably kept me from trying to write any more.  I  thought,
>wow, was it that bad and no one wants to hurt my feelings?...but I'll keep
plugging on and maybe someday actually finish something I've started.

Hurrah! LabRat does a happy jig around the office waving flags and pompoms.
(Very quietly though as it's 3.37 am)
>
I can't
>be the only one who was affected fairly negatively by the lack of feedback.
>I mean,  positive reinforcement can only encourage, and if you read a story
>you like and tell the author how much you enjoyed it,  they're a lot more
>likely to write more  :)
>
And it stops them having paranoid insecurity complexes too. I know that
after I posted a particular nfic and got no feedback at all I had 71
theories as to where I'd gone wrong and why it had been so thoroughly
disliked all mapped out and bound up in ribbon by the day after. OTOH, never
having been one to take a hint <g>, I just kept on writing and resolved to
do better next time. ;) And only just recently, I discovered that a few
readers actually liked it after all when I got some late feedback.

LabRat :)  (fully paid up member of the Cerise Fanclub. I can show you my
dues card if you insist.)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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poured into his clothes and had forgotten to say "When!"  -- PG Wodehouse,
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"We're living in an age where you have to call a chick and ask her if she'll
wear a dress tonight. And they say, "You're weird."  --- Tim Rose.
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Sheila Harper wrote:
>
> At 02:58 AM 7/30/99 -0400, Sandy McDermin wrote:
> >> I have some comments for you re the last part of BBDF, but they also
include
> >> some suggestions re the balance of your A- and B-plots.
> >
> >Argh!  I *really* wish I hadn't seen this.  Now I'm left to wonder what
> >the suggestions re the balance of her A- and B-plots might be. <sigh.>
>
> Don't worry, Sandy.  Wendy said I could post both kinds of comments to the
> list, so you can read my suggestions as well as my gush.

Thank you.  That would be lovely.

> smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:
> << I've been reading all these posts
>  on 17th and 18th century poets and writers and not understanding a
>  thing. Drat that stupid Machiavelli, Locke, and Rousseau!) >>
>
> I'm sorry, Sandy.  You must have read Rousseau in philosophy or political
> science class.

Howdya guess?  Yes, Ms. Political Science here.  I read <and I use that
term loosely> his Social Contract and The Discourses -- not exactly his
sexiest thoughts, unless you get turned on by parliamentary maneuvers
<hubba hubba>. I was much more influenced by Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan.
Who could ever forget Hobbes' argument that, without government, the
nature of man and thus the state of nature is solitary, poor, nasty,
brutish and short.<g> Gives ya a warm feeling all over, doesn't it?

Hmm.  I guess I should relate this to L&C fanfic.... Okay.  Question?
Would Lex Luthor thrive most in a state of nature or in a state of
order?  (*I* truly don't know.  In one, he would do as he pleased and in
the other ... he would do as he pleased.)

> Had you read his work in French class, you could have read
> all the steamy stuff too. <g>
>
> Ann

In French class we read Francois La Rochefoucauld -- another favorite.
Here are a few of his maxims:

Quarrels would not last long if the fault were only on one side.
If we resist our passions, it is more due to their weakness than our
   strength.
We are strong enough to bear the misfortunes of others.
It is more shameful to distrust one's friends than to be deceived by
   them.
The intellect is always fooled by the heart.
One gives nothing so freely as advice.
One is never as unhappy as one thinks, nor as happy as one hopes.

It sounds like Clark wasn't one of his followers -- at least generally
-- wouldn't you say?  I'd like to see a fanfic written where Clark says
each of the above statements, and no fair having him quote someone else
or be under the influence of hypnosis.<g>

Whew!  Relate it, I did.  I was joking about that fanfic though --
EXCEPT I understand round robins are written where the audience
supplies objects and items which the writers must include.  Perhaps you
should try it with people supplying lines of dialogue.  That'd be
different.

Sandy -- (Usually we praise only to be praised -- La Rochefoucauld)
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In a message dated 7/30/99 11:24:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:

<< Hmm.  I guess I should relate this to L&C fanfic.... Okay.  Question?
 Would Lex Luthor thrive most in a state of nature or in a state of
 order?  (*I* truly don't know.  In one, he would do as he pleased and in
 the other ... he would do as he pleased.)
  >>

I'm not sure about the answer to this one, but Lex certainly would have been
a believer in Rousseau's concept of "l'enfant sauvage" (the wild child).  He
went to a great deal of trouble to create them in his clones.  I don't think
he would have bought into the concept of the Social Contract, however.
Richelieu would have been more to his liking.  In fact, I think it is
possible that in another life, Lex was Richelieu -- absolute power being
near
and dear to Lex's heart.  Lex would have liked Sade's philosophy as well.
(That whole idea of being above the law was so Lex.)

Clark, on the other hand, obviously bought into the "Spirit of the Laws" as
described by Montesquieu as well as the social contract.  If he hadn't, Lex
would have been history after the premiere.

You certainly know your Rochefoucauld.  I always liked him.  Such a nice
blend of cynicism and humor.

Ann
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In a message dated 7/30/99 11:24:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:

<< It sounds like Clark wasn't one of his followers -- at least generally
 -- wouldn't you say?  I'd like to see a fanfic written where Clark says
 each of the above statements, and no fair having him quote someone else
 or be under the influence of hypnosis.<g> >>

Absolutely-- Clark couldn't be anywhere near as cynical as La Rochefoucauld
if he had to, to save his life.  He would never understand the idea of
self-interest we find in the Maxims.  It would be interesting to see Clark
use any of those ideas-- I can't imagine it.

Ann
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From: LabRat <labrat@UKF.NET>
>These are all from fanfic set in the alternative universe:
>
>3.   Klein glanced nervously at Lois, "There really shouldn't be any
> members of the press here, Superman."

Always Something There To Remind Me, by Zoomway

>4.  Clark Kent looked around the garden/patio of his penthouse level
>apartment and sighed in contentment.  Not bad, not bad at all

Boy, I oughta know this one...  it sounds so familiar...  I'm probably
going to whack myself for not recognizing it when it gets named!

>5.  When he turned the corner into the hallway, he felt like his heart was
>in his throat!! After all, he was going to see her! Lois Lane, the runaway

Desperately Seeking Lois (Section 2: A Rose By Any Other Name),
by Jennifer Eagan.

Peace
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> Okay.  Question?
> Would Lex Luthor thrive most in a state of nature or in a state of
> order?  (*I* truly don't know.  In one, he would do as he pleased and in
> the other ... he would do as he pleased.)

A state of order.  It wouldn't inhibit him, as you say, but it would
hamper his enemies.  A state of chaos puts much more emphasis on brute
force, which is not our Lex's specialty.
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On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:43:27 -0700, Irene D. <sirenegold@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
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>4.
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>
>     Clark's head jerked sideways as a certain familiar word pierced
>through the crowds and hit his consciousness like a bull's-eye.  He
>didn't understand the response that followed, but he knew it was a
>woman's voice.  And then, a second later, a loud blast echoed through
>the park.  Immediately, he looked around himself for the anxious,
>questioning faces of the others in the crowd, but no one was showing
>the
>least amount of interest because...
>
>     <<Omigod!>>
>
>no one could ... hear.
>     That was no woman! Clark's heartbeat jumped erratically in
>recognition. That was-- Lois! Something's happened!  Something's
>happened to Lois and the kids!
>
>
>

I think this is from "Little Man, Super" by Sandy McDermin
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Margaret,
What a relief to see a new site for your stories.....all this quizzing
inspired me to check your site and low and behold my link failed.  For a
minute, I thought lack of feedback had sent you scurrying.....Your stories
are ones that I read and reread....waiting v-v-verrrrrry patiently for the
next installment (subtle hint).

And as soon as I get my fanzine actually next to me by the computer, I will
send my thanks and compliments for all the wonderful authors.  I do remember
(need a catscan here too.....) that Sheila's story had me on the edge of my
seat!  (Now I can't remember who I have given feedback to, and who I need to
give feedback to....oh this could be a problem).

As to the quizzes, is checking for title and author really off limits?  I do
believe that is discriminating against those of us of a certain age who look
at their children and go through each name before getting to the right one
;).

Kate
the Maryland one
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oh, goodie, I'm a sucker for alt worlds too.

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1.  oo, I don't think I've read this one

2.  "When Seperate Worlds Collide, Book 1: Beginning to Heal" Mandy Crustner

3.  Oh, I'm so glad you put this one, because it's one of my favorites, but
a couple of months ago when I decided to re-read it, I couldn't find it
because I don't remember the title or author.  Alt Lois has been *inside*
our Lois since the Congo (that's why there was such an attraction between
Lois and alt Clark).  They get split apart when Superman has contact with
her before decontamination after checking out a weird...something in space
(which they're talking about ing the extract) that duplicates things.  They
don't realize that the second Lois is alt Lois until the end, so she,
feeling like a third wheel, decides that it would be best for everyone if
she just disappears, so she goes to the alt world...

4.  I've read it, but I can't remember which one it is.  An odd thing
happened when I was reading this extract.  I was reading along, thinking,
'yeah, I've read this one, but do I know it?,' and suddenly it clicked 'yes!
I know it' because in my head I saw Clarks pent house; but I still didn't
know anything more about the story than what is in the extract (or rather, I
can't remember which story the extract belongs to).  Okay, that probably
didn't make any sense, but I thought I'd share it anyway.

5.  "Desperately Seeking Lois" Jennifer Eagen

-Diyan
zimri@hotmail.com
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I'm so embarrassed -- forgot to put spoiler space -- sorry!!

Peace
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Kate wrote:
>As to the quizzes, is checking for title and author really off limits?  I
do
>believe that is discriminating against those of us of a certain age who
look
>at their children and go through each name before getting to the right one
;).

LOL!  Glad I'm not the only one who does that!  I even called my daughter
the dog's name not too long ago.  <sg>

As for the quizzes, gosh, I hope that's not one of the rules that you can't
double check guesses with the archive, or I'm in big trouble. :)

Erin :)
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At 02:35 PM 7/31/1999 -0400, Kate the Maryland one wrote:
>Margaret,
>What a relief to see a new site for your stories.....all this quizzing
>inspired me to check your site and low and behold my link failed.

Sorry about that;\  I did have a link from my old to my new site for a
month.  I foolishly believed that would be long enough to redirect people<g>

> For a
>minute, I thought lack of feedback had sent you scurrying.....

I get feedback:)  Of course most if it is along the lines of "when is Part
4 coming out", but I *do* get feedback;)

>Your stories
>are ones that I read and reread....waiting v-v-verrrrrry patiently for the
>next installment (subtle hint).

Margaret mumbles imprecations at the lack of forbearance in modern society,
and slinks off to work on the latest round of edits<g>

Now, if anyone could explain Lana's mother's motivation to me, I'd be
extremely grateful:)

Margaret
Who seems to specialize in digging herself into deeper and deeper plot
holes:(
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Subject:      Re: Margaret, fanzine, quizzes
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Erin Klingler wrote:
>
> Kate wrote:
> >As to the quizzes, is checking for title and author really off limits?  I
> do
> >believe that is discriminating against those of us of a certain age who
> look
> >at their children and go through each name before getting to the right
one
> ;).
>
> LOL!  Glad I'm not the only one who does that!  I even called my daughter
> the dog's name not too long ago.  <sg>

Don't worry -- it's a common problem!  My mother mixes up my sister's name
(Katie) with the cat's (Chloe) pretty routinely.  And I often have to go
through the battery of names when speaking of my siblings.  (No multiple
children here, yet, and the one on the way is as yet unnamed!)

-Emily
--
Emily Crawford/Warbler on IRC              ccsupec@helen.oit.gatech.edu

"Thus grew the tale of Wonderland:  thus slowly, one by one,
Its quaint events were hammered out -- and now the tale is done,
And home we steer, a merry crew, beneath the setting sun." -Lewis Carroll
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OK, I love Alts, I can answer more than one of these with both the title and
Author, (I usually remember one or the other, but rarely both), and my
computer
is working again after an agonizing and expensive week.  Obviously I'm meant
to
try my hand with the answers.

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1.  Can't Live (I think) and I can't remember the author.  Not because it's
not
good.  Lois and Clark go to the Alt world and Lois holds Alt Clark's hand
till
Clark finds Alt Lois.  (Do I get credit for knowing the story if I have the
title wrong?)
2.  When Separate Worlds Collide Part 1, by Mandy Crustner. Easiest one to
remember, since I was reading Part 2 when this quiz came up.
3.  Always Something There to Remind Me, by Zoomway.  Way easy too, since
this
was one of the stories that started me on my obsession with alt stories, and
of
course you couldn't very well put together a quiz for Zoomway without
including
one of her own.
4. Million Miles Away, by Pam Jernigan.  I loved the reason Lois was missing
in
this one.  And the scene when Clark takes her back to his hotel is
priceless.
5.  I've read it, but only once.  It's either new or I just found it.  Our
Lois
tells Alt Clark that when she was ready to chuck everything and become a
teacher.  He checks and finds out his Lois did just that.  He masquerades as
a
teacher and joins her at the school. (Plot credit?)  Now I'll go read it
again
so I can get it right next time.

LabRat wrote:

> Zoom wrote:
>
>  I'm a sucker for alt universe stories, for example
> >;)
>
> Okay, Zoom - just for you and since I figure that I might as well take
> *advantage* of the fact that my fanfic index is categorised by story type
> and indulge this craze for specialised quizzes ;):
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Irene D. wrote:
>What a fun story!  I laughed so hard ... Well done.
>Can't wait to read the next team effort

Irene, Sandy, Ann...
on behalf of the three of us who wrote the story: thanks a lot for your
feedback. We're happy you enjoyed it. :-)

Sandy wrote:
>In any case, I love the way Ellen's written as I'm such a sucker
>for a good, fun Ellen story and want to thank the writers for that.

Believe me, we had a lot of fun writing Ellen. She is such an
interesting character to explore and it's not only the Lane-babble she
has in common with Lois ;)

>Finally, I was surprised it's a round-robin. (I don't think this is
>generally known, but I don't favor them.) Well, who knows, maybe I'm a
>snob and only like foreign round-robins.<g>

LOL ... okay, we're going to write some more stories only to test your
theory on foreign round-robins ;)

Ann wrote:
>I may be wrong, but I am assuming that it was an added challenge to
>write a story in English.

Well, yes it was, but it helps to have a good editor. Anyway feedback
like yours makes you wanna do it again. :)

>I hope you all attempt the task again.  (I have tried  to get my German
>speaking son to translate some of the stories from the German website,
>but he thinks I'm nuts, so no luck there. )

Maybe we're going to translate some our stories from the German archive
so you don't have to bother your son again ;-)

Cheers,

Petra (aka KiwiPit on IRC)
for The German LnC Fanfiction Team

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Emily Angerer Crawford wrote:

> Erin Klingler wrote:
> >
> > Kate wrote:
> > >As to the quizzes, is checking for title and author really off limits?
I
> > do
> > >believe that is discriminating against those of us of a certain age who
> > look
> > >at their children and go through each name before getting to the right
one
> > ;).
> >
> > LOL!  Glad I'm not the only one who does that!  I even called my
daughter
> > the dog's name not too long ago.  <sg>
>
> Don't worry -- it's a common problem!  My mother mixes up my sister's name
> (Katie) with the cat's (Chloe) pretty routinely.  And I often have to go
> through the battery of names when speaking of my siblings.  (No multiple
> children here, yet, and the one on the way is as yet unnamed!)
>
> -Emily
> --Oh, thank God!  I thought I was the only one who does that!  My seven
kids
> used to get furious at me for calling the boys by the girls' names and
vice
> versa!  I thought it was hereditary, too, when I got called "Dad" and he
got
> called "Mom" a few times!

Nan Smith
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In a message dated 7/31/99 5:35:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, petrast@GMX.NET
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<<
 Maybe we're going to translate some our stories from the German archive
 so you don't have to bother your son again ;-)

Schreiben sie auf Englisch bitte!   ( Did I do well? )  Please do translate
some.  You all are terrific!

Ann
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Ann E. McBride wrote:

> Schreiben sie auf Englisch bitte!   ( Did I do well? )  Please do
translate
> some.  You all are terrific!

Ann, obviously you don't need a translation! You did great :-)
Wanna read the story again in german? ;)
No, actually we're really thinking about translating but it'll take some
time.

Petra (aka KiwiPit on IRC)
for the German LnC Fanfiction Team

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From: Kate Crane <KCrane1865@AOL.COM>
>(Now I can't remember who I have given feedback to, and who I need to
>give feedback to....oh this could be a problem)

Nah, Kate, I can't think of a single author on this list who would object to
getting double feedback <g>

>As to the quizzes, is checking for title and author really off limits?

Oops!! Oh, I'm really in trouble if that's the case!  :::Peace frantically
hides her "Find Files" search window!:::

Peace