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Date:         Sat, 15 May 1999 07:00:36 -0400
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>I ordered four Alien Voices cds from Starlog and they sent me the fifth as
>a bonus, which I was really happily surprised about.
....
>The five titles are Journey to the Center of the Earth (Verne)
>                 The Time Machine (Wells)
>                 The Lost World (Doyle)
>                 The Invisible Man (Wells)
>                 The First Men on the Moon (Wells, I think, don't have it
handy
>                        and it was the bonus, so I didn't order it).

A friend of mine taped an NPR broadcast for me from several years ago,
"The War of The Worlds" by H.G.Wells, directed by John DeLancie,
starring Leonard Nimoy, Gates McFadden, Armin Shimerman, Wil Wheaton,
Brent Spiner, and a couple of other people I recognized at the time as Star
Trek guests, although the names are eluding me at the moment -- I think
Jerry Hardin was one -- which makes it tie back into to L&C, since
Mr. Hardin played Wayne Irig in GGGoH!  <g>

I'm glad to know about the other CDs available though -- gotta get me
those!

Peace
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<<
 At 9:23 PM -0400 5/14/99, Stephani E. VanWert wrote:
 >How do I get IRC? I would like to join the session but I don't have IRC
(I'm
 >on AOL)
  >>

You can dowhload the mirc program to use at this address

http://www.mircx.com/

 The AOL servers that you can use are:
undernet.irc.aol.com
efnet.irc.aol.com
dalnet.irc.aol.com
ircnet.irc.aol.com
All use ports 6660-6669

For more help go to keyword IRC It will take to an area called WINSOCK
CENTRAL
check the message boards area, there is a folder names IRC with AOL.
You'll be up and running pretty quickly.  Then you just have to deal with
that pesky time clock from AOL  - "You been online for 188 Minutes !!"  Get
off now!
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Date:         Sat, 15 May 1999 14:46:42 -0500
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From:         Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL>
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Have to say that I enjoyed this post, Zoom.

>I wanted to mention one thing that can
>relate to most fanfic writers or professional fiction writers for that
>matter. There's no need in fiction writing to acknowledge a trademark
product
>with (tm) in the story.

>"Superman (tm)!" Lois shouted, as she ogled the 'Man of Steel' (c) 1999 DC
>Comics who was looking hot in his Lycra (tm) spandex.

You do put a smile on my face with your posts, Zoom! :)

>I wrote this note in hopes it would be helpful and not seen as a nitpick,
>which is something I don't often do anyway. It's just that when I see
"(tm)"
>appear next to a word in a work of fiction, it takes me right out of the
>story.

This is very true, but I would say that there's one instance when (tm)
*does* have its place in fiction, and that's in some types of satirical
parody:

As Lois stared at the villainous Villain of the Week (tm) and the Loyal
Sidekick (tm) standing loyally at his side, she muttered to herself, "I've
got a bad feeling about this..." (c. George Lucas 1978)

Hazel
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Where is Rachel's Fic at? I would like to read some...
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In a message dated 5/16/99 12:57:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
VvVCordy@AOL.COM writes:

> Where is Rachel's Fic at? I would like to read some...

Rachel's "Relative Anonymity" is not available in the archive yet, but you
can probably get it by emailing her at rae@usxchange.net and asking her to
send it to you.  Her other fanfic, "Cloud on My Tongue, " *is* in the
archive, and if you haven't read it yet, I'd suggest checking it out.  :)

Peace, Love, and Superman,
~~>Susan<~~
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/loisclark/
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From:         Pam Jernigan <jernigan@BELLSOUTH.NET>
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After much behind-the-scenes fiddling, I'm happy to announce that my
FoLC Obsession Page has moved to:  <http://www.geocities.com/~chiefpam>
(I'm happy to pay a small fee to avoid those #$#% pop-up ads <g>)

If you aren't familiar with it, my page features fanfic.  I do
recommended stories (with 3 new recommendations uploaded today!).  I
house the Round Robin fanfic (with cool posters for some of the
stories).  I have all my own fanfic there, even the ones I never sent to
the Archive. As of this week, I'm very pleased to be able to host all of
Chris Mulder's stories as well.

Some of you have been gracious enough to link to my page ... I have a
forwarding page set up at the old address, but it's only on the main
page -- if you linked to subpages, those links won't work any longer, so
you might want to take a moment to update them.

Thanks to everyone who's helped me create the page :-)
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wanting to take over the world, really, but he sounded
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Date:         Sun, 16 May 1999 16:18:53 EDT
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TITLE: EDGE OF METROPOLIS
PART: 1/7
AUTHOR: An IRC Round Robin by: ChrisM (mulders@mindspring.com);
chrispat(cp13607@aol.com); CKGroupie (NKWolke@t-online.de);
Eraygun(Eraygun@aol.com); Mackteach (Mackteach@aol.com);
Melisma (dlgray@usa.net); Misha (mhall@sound.net);
zoomway(zoomway@aol.com)
RATING: PG
FEEDBACK: All feedback, public and private is welcome. However, the group
would prefer that comments concerning grammatical errors and typos be
discussed privately. Why bore the rest of you with that kind of stuff ;)?
SUMMARY: Another of the IRC Round Robin group's 'Unintentional' Season
stories. (To read the others in order visit either Pam Jernigan's or Anne
Ciotola's terrific sites.) Morgan Edge, the renegade editor with Intergang
connections who made Lois and Clark miserable a few stories ago, is back.
This time he's in charge of a rival news operation that seems bent on
undermining Superman any way it can. Meanwhile on the homefront Ellen Lane
decides that Lois and Clark can use her *special touch* in setting up the
nursery.
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EDGE OF METROPOLIS

{ChrisM}

Another bustling morning in Metropolis, and Perry White reveled in it as he
walked from the donut shop to his home-away-from-home, The Daily Planet
building. He loved this city, the people in it, and the news they generated.
The news business had been meat and drink to him for so many years now that
he couldn't imagine doing anything else with his life. His one attempt at
retirement had been short-lived, thank goodness, and he didn't think he'd
ever try that again. No, siree ... they'd have to carry him out the next
time!

Smiling in a self-satisfied way, he paused at the newsstand in the Planet
lobby--it was always a good idea to check on what the competition was doing.
His glance fell upon the latest issue of Newstime magazine and he picked it
up, a whistle of surprise escaping through his pursed lips. What in the name
of the King was going on here?

Newstime used to have real news in it, but this!  This looked more like
those
rags Perry detested so much, The National Whisper or The Dirt Digger.

He shook his head sadly, pondering the fall from grace of such a
well-respected journal. Still, he thought with the air of someone willing to
put the best face on a bad situation, this would mean less competition for
the Planet.

* * *

A little further downtown, Morgan Edge was proudly surveying a duplicate
copy
of that same Newstime edition.

This was his chance, and he knew it. He also knew it could be his last
chance
to make good with a certain blonde crime lord ...  Or would that be lordess?

A smirk crossed his face. 'Goddess' would be closer to how she thought of
herself, he thought ruefully. She certainly didn't hesitate to do exactly as
she wanted, and seemed to think she was above the problems and concerns of
normal people. Well, even Miss Mindy could be--

The phone on his desk buzzed at him, and he crossed the room to answer it.
"Yes?"

"There's a call for you on line 2, Mr. Edge."

"I'm busy. I told you."

"She said you'd want to speak with her, sir."

She? It couldn't be. That was creepy, especially since he'd just been
thinking about her. "Did she give her name?" he asked his secretary.

"No, sir. Only that she was friend of Floyd's.  She said you would know what
that meant."  Miss Hartshorn's voice carried her evident confusion clearly
over the phone line.

"Damn," Edge muttered.  It *was* her.

"Excuse me, sir?"

"Nothing," he responded roughly, more roughly than he would have done under
normal circumstances, since he was hoping to foster some extracurricular
activities between himself and the lovely young Ms. Hartshorn. "I'll take
the
call."

The secretary disconnected, and Edge reached to push the button for line 2.
His hand was shaking a trifle, and he despised himself for it.

"Yes?" he said, hoping--praying--that he didn't sound the way he was
feeling.
 Jell-o would have had more spine at the moment.

"Hello, Morgie," her voice purred over the phone.  "I've been looking at the
magazine. It's nice and all, but ..."

"I'm glad you liked it," he replied, in a tone of false confidence.

"Actually, I don't like it.  I don't like it at all, Morgie.  And do you
know
why?"

"No."  Why, dammit, couldn't he tell the b--

"Because," she continued, "it looks like you're getting to like this
reporting stuff a little too much.  You wouldn't be forgetting about little
ol' me, now would you?"

"No, of course not."

"That's good. Don't forget, you're only out of jail because of a
technicality, Morgie boy.  I hope I won't have to remind you what you're
*really* supposed to be doing."

"No, you won't."

"Good." The pout in her voice was gone, but not the steel behind it.  "I'll
be keeping my eye on you, so you'd better deliver the goods.  You remember
how I like it, right?"

Her reference to their past relationship made him grip the receiver even
more
tightly.  Did this mean that she might be willing to--?

"Good-bye for now, Morgie.  Be a good boy for me, won't you?"

"Y--" he started to say, but he was talking to air.

Looking around his spacious new office, he suddenly felt as if there wasn't
enough air in there.  His gilded collar had just been tightened a notch.

{CKgroupie}

***

Lois and Clark met Perry in the lobby of the Planet as he was pressing the
button for the elevator. He waited for them and they arrived in the newsroom
together a few minutes later.

"Look at them," Perry whispered to his two star reporters. "They're trying
to
look so busy, but wait until the door to my office closes. Then Ralph will
run over to Sylvie and Jimmy will be strolling to your desk and the next
moment it will look like breakfast at Gabby's Deli. You think I didn't know?
Ha!" He grinned and walked towards his office, leaving a speechless Lois and
Clark behind.

"Sometimes I think he's spooky, don't you?" Clark said after a moment, but
he
didn't get an answer from his wife. Turning around to find out the reason
for
this lack of enthusiasm for his wit, he saw her leaning against her desk, a
stunned expression on her face.

"Honey, what is it?" he asked, concerned. "You don't think he seriously
minds
us talking now and then, do you? I'm pretty sure he was just jok--"

"It feels like a butterfly!" Lois murmured. "I read about it, and it really
does!"

Clark was lost. "A butterfly, Lois? Perry? I have no idea what you're
talking
about."

Lois suddenly smiled. "No Clark, not Perry." She took his hand and laid it
on
her stomach. "The baby is kicking," she whispered and watched him
expectantly. "Do you feel it?"

{Eraygun}

Clark's small smile grew broader until it became a face-splitting grin.
"Yeah
... I do, honey," he whispered as he wrapped his other arm around her and
pulled her close until their foreheads touched. "It's just flat-out
amazing!"

Lois nodded. "It is, isn't it?" Then suddenly she giggled. "It also tickles.
Something tells me our baby may have inherited your quirky sense of humor."

"Hey, what do you mean quirky-?"

Before Lois could answer Jimmy appeared at their side looking sheepish and
holding a copy of the latest edition of Newstime.

"Sorry to interrupt you guys, but have you seen this?"

"Sure, we had a chance to glance at the cover when we were riding up with
Perry."

"No, I don't mean the cover, I mean inside in the editorial section."

"No. What's up?" Lois asked as she grabbed the magazine from Jimmy and began
flipping through it rapidly.

As she reached Newstime's editorial section and rapidly scanned the pages
her
mouth dropped open and her eyes began to flash with anger. "Why that dirty
sleazy son of a --!" she sputtered.

"Honey! Calm down," Clark said soothingly as he took the offending
publication from Lois' hands.

"Clark, take a look at the headline on the lead editorial!"

"'Superman: King of the World?' What the devil?!"

"And take a look at the byline," Lois added.

"Morgan Edge!"

{Melisma}

***

"Hello, Ellen!"

Ellen Lane looked up from her coffee cup, shading her eyes against the
bright
sunshine pounding the outdoor patio of her favorite cafe.

"Hi, Beverly, it's good to see you again."

"When you told me that your daughter was pregnant, I just knew I had to
introduce you to my sister. Ellen, this is Audrey. Audrey, Ellen Lane."

Looking around the wedding co-ordinator, Ellen saw a younger woman. "Pleased
to meet you, Audrey," she smiled.

"Audrey is an interior decorator, and I was hoping that we might pick her
brain about decorating Lois's nursery," Beverly announced.

"Oh, well, I don't know if they've even *thought* about that yet... These
reporters have such busy lives, you know," Ellen hedged. The last time she
had tried to help her daughter plan something major, Lois had been kidnapped
by that awful Lex, and all the wedding preparations had been wasted on a
*clone*, for God's sake!

"Well, what better reason do you need to do it yourself? With my help, of
course," Audrey spoke up. "What sort of room do they have that might serve
as
a nursery?"

"Well, there is the guest room, I guess..."

Continued in part 2/7
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AUTHOR: The IRC Round Robin Group
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SUMMARY: One of the IRC Round Robin group's 'Unintentional' Season stories.
A rival news operation seems bent on undermining Superman any way it can.
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(Misha)

***

"Mother! Mother, no..." Lois closed her eyes and banged the phone receiver
against her forehead as Ellen continued her outline of potential nurseries.
"Mother..." Lois began to protest again, then sighed and pressed the mute
button. "Clark? You know what you said about moving to the Antarctic? I
changed my mind."

Clark moved in close to her, dropping his hands to her stomach and resting
his chin on her head. "You sure about that, honey?"

Lois regarded the phone in her hand. "You're right. The moon it is."

Clark chuckled and kissed the top of her head. "Not many newspapers on the
moon, Lois. Maybe we can just avoid her."

"Avoid? Dragon Lady Lane? Have we changed the locks lately?"

"Hey, Lois?" Jimmy's head popped around the divider. "You done with your mom
yet? Perry wants you and Clark in his office."

Lois smiled gratefully at Jimmy. "I am now." She hit the mute button again.
"Mom? Yeah, I know, that sounds really cute, but I gotta go--you know, work?
but maybe if you call next week we can have lunch or something,
talktoyalaterbye." Lois talked the receiver down to the cradle and levered
herself out of the chair as soon as it clicked.

"That was quick."

"Not really. I've been waiting for an excuse to hang up for fifteen minutes
now." Lois shot a mock glare at her husband, which melted as soon as she met
his eyes.

He held the door and her eyes as they walked into Perry's office. It took a
full thirty seconds of silence and a rather loud clearing of their editor's
throat before they became aware of their surroundings again.

Perry tossed that week's edition of Newstime across his desk at them. It
skidded over a column marked heavily in red pencil and teetered on the edge
of the desk. It was open to an obviously doctored photo of Superman in
black,
crushing the UN building beneath his foot.

"Edge is up to something, kids. Find out what."

{zoomway}

Clark lifted the slick weekly, but said nothing. Lois skimmed the first few
paragraphs.

"Perry, this is slander!"

Perry reseated himself. "They're getting a lot of mileage out of this
'slander'," he said, crooking his fingers into visual quotation marks. "That
scientist they quote is highly respected."

Clark nodded. "Yeah, I've read his work. He's a genius."

Lois' jaw dropped momentarily. "Perry, you can't be buying into this? And
Clark," she said, taking the magazine from his hand. "You're
Superman...'s...best friend."

"Honey, I'm not saying I *believe* this stuff, it's just ...he *is* the most
respected scientist in--"

"Fantasyland, Clark! There's no way Superman could be some...cyborg."

Perry rapped on his desk. "Time out. I don't believe this, Lois, but this
scientist is gonna run a series of articles in Newstime about his theories
on
Superman."

"And?" Lois asked impatiently.

"This is news, darlin', and so maybe you two should get out there and do a
little digging."

Lois was incredulous. "Perry--"

"Lois, I'm not expecting you to bring Superman in with a tattoo reading '100
% organically grown,' but there are other scientists. In fact," he smiled
slyly, "you know someone who's worked with cyborgs...I believe."

"Oh, God," Lois whispered as she tugged her preoccupied husband from the
office. "My mother is invading and Perry wants my father to check under
Superman's hood."  She sighed loudly as she moved numbly to enter the
elevator.

"What floor?" Jurgens asked politely, offering to press the button for her.

"Whatever floor they're keeping Hell on these days."

***

The day had been as long as it had been fruitless. Most of the men and women
in the scientific community did not want to go head-to-head with Jonah
McNamara. The few who were willing to brave an exchange with his brilliant
mind refused to even discuss Newstime's other so-called expert, Alexander
Carter, a man whose theories were so unconventional they made 'mood rings'
and 'pyramid power' seem feasible. Added to everything else, Clark obsessed
all day long and well into the early evening over McNamara's article.

Lois watched Clark as he drove in silence. "You're *not* an android, Clark."

Clark shrugged. "Honey, I don't believe I'm an android, but that scientist
gave me a lot to think about."

Lois softened and rubbed his arm. "Clark, I'm pregnant. If you're
computerized, you bring a whole new meaning to 'hard drive'."

{chrispat}

That statement startled a laugh out of Clark. "Now that you mention it..."
He
turned to her and wriggled his eyebrows lasciviously."Do you think we have
time before dinner to retest that theory?"

Lois chuckled and patted his arm again. "That's a distinct possibility,
but...oh no!" she ended with a shriek.

"Oh boy," Clark sighed as he watched his mother-in-law climb out of the taxi
that had pulled up behind them in front of the brownstone.

Lois and Clark watched as a strange woman joined Ellen on the sidewalk and
they both started pulling bags and packages from the taxi.

Ellen caught sight of Lois. "Ah. There you are. Don't just sit there, Lois!
Audrey and I have tons of samples to show you. This could take hours. Why
don't you order something for dinner and we'll get right to it."

Lois opened and closed her mouth a few times, but Clark jumped in before she
could utter something she would regret. "Ellen! Nice to see you, but Lois
and
I were just stopping in to pick up some files I forgot. We're on our way to
um...a stakeout. Right, honey?"

"Yes, yes, a stakeout. Sorry, Mother. We'll just have to do this some other
time." Maybe when hell freezes over, she muttered to herself. She smiled
gratefully at Clark. "I'll just run in and get those files. You can help put
all that stuff back in the cab. Bye, Mother." She waved as she ran up the
steps.

Ellen turned on her hapless son-in-law.

{Eraygun}

Clark shifted uncomfortably for a few seconds under Ellen's glare. "Let me
help you with that --" he began as he reached for several bags.

"Put those down!" Ellen commanded. "I simply cannot believe this! To think
that you two would have such a cavalier attitude about the nursery for *my*
grandchild. Well, we'll just see about that!"

Pivoting, she marched up the front steps after Lois with Audrey in tow and
Clark in hot pursuit.

"Mother, I thought you were leaving," Lois said as Ellen barged into the
living room.

"Not until we've had a chance to talk."

"Talk about what?"

Just then Audrey interrupted. "Oh dear, this is worse than I expected."

"What's worse?" Clark asked as he entered the room.

"The *interior* of this house! From what I can see you've decorated it all
wrong!"

"What?"

"That couch should be over there," she said, pointing at the far wall. "And
wherever did you get those absymal drapes ...  and those pictures! I see
we're going to have to redo everything if we want to have the proper
environment for the new arrival. You have no idea how lucky you are that
Beverly contacted me, Ellen."

"See," Ellen said smugly. "I knew you two needed my help."

{ChrisM}

Lois and Clark looked at each other--he was exasperated, yet amused, while
she was quite simply fuming.

"Mother, Clark and I can't do this right now.  Perry has assigned us to a
big
story, and we--"

"And I suppose the bedrooms are upstairs?" Audrey interjected as if Lois
hadn't said a word.

"Yes, that's right," Ellen responded.  "Why don't you go on up, and I'll be
right with you."

Ellen barely waited until the decorator was out of sight before turning back
to her ungrateful daughter.  "Lois, I ask so little of you.  The least you
could do after all my wedding plans were ruined--"

"Mother! I love you, but you can't expect me to keep paying for that!  It
wasn't even my fault."

"Oh, it probably was because of some story or other that you shouldn't have
written.  You know, Lois, if you're going to insist on writing about bad
people, they're bound to take offense.  I think you're slouching again,
dear."

"Ahhhhhh!"

"What?" Ellen asked, stunned by her daughter's scream of exasperation.

Clark decided that they could all use a nice cup of herbal tea, and he
headed
for the kitchen.

* * *

Up in the executive suite of the Newstime building, Morgan Edge was
experiencing some frustrations of his own. If his campaign to discredit
Superman was going to work, he'd have to be a lot more aggressive. After
reading over one of his reporter's latest efforts, he reached for the phone,
angrily yanking it off its cradle.

"Get me Henson!  I want him up here in five minutes or he can look for
another job."

"Y-yes, sir."

They needed to be going at this from all sides.  Superman as a cyborg was
good as far as it went, but he had to show everyone that Mr.
Goody-Blue-Tights wasn't the hero they all thought he was. What about those
killer Kryptonians?  He could use those ... as a matter of fact, that wasn't
a bad headline.

A rather timid knock on the door interrupted his plotting.

"Come in, come in!  Henson!  Good, get in here." He stood, pages of copy in
one hand, while he stabbed at them with the other.  "This won't get it,
Henson.  We've got to do more than this!"

"B-but ... Mr. Edge, sir ..."

"No 'buts', Henson.  Now, I've got a headline for you-- 'Killer Kryptonians
... Superman's Deadly Cousins?'  What do you think?"

Henson's jaw dropped.

* * *
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(zoomway)

"For God's sake," Edge growled as he took the cigarette pack from Henson's
pocket and threw it in the garbage. "They live in *this* city! You're
telling
me a satellite hookup will be put up a couple of blocks apart so they
won't--"

A woman leaned in the door. "Phone, Mr. Edge."

Henson watched Edge leave, and then pulled his pack out of the garbage. "And
the perks just keep on comin'," he said, and lit up a slightly rumpled
cigarette.

{Eraygun}

***

"I can't thank you enough for helping us out in the debate, Doc," Clark said
warmly as he, Lois and Klein walked from the parking lot over to the main
entrance of LNN.

"That's for sure. You don't know how much this means to have you up there
defending Superman alongside my father," Lois added.

"To tell you the truth, I'm a little nervous about it. I hate being on TV,"
Klein replied. "But under the circumstances it's probably better if
Superman's defense occurs in this medium rather than in print."

"I'm not sure I follow you,"  Lois said.

"Well, if I were to produce a written report outlining my findings on
Superman's physiology it would by necessity have to be very *vague* about
things, and in the present climate --"

"It would be seen as just another part of the Superman conspiracy," Clark
finished flatly.

Klein nodded. "But for TV, the land of the 'sound bite', my lack of detail
will be an asset instead of a liability. Besides I think it will be
interesting discussing matters with Dr. McNamara. He's got a fine mind, one
of the best in his field."

"So what do you know about this Professor Carter?" Lois asked.

"Well..he's.. a *little* more unconventional."

"What do you mean by that?"

"He's flaky."

"Score one for our side," Clark interjected.

Lois chuckled. "I'm not so sure about that, Clark. Remember Abs in a
Bottle."

"Abs in a bottle?" Klein repeated.

"Oh, jeez, how could I forget? Right, honey, it's a draw."

{Misha}

"Anyway, I just hope this works. Then we can get back to more important
things like changing the locks on my mother."

"Now, Lois, I don't think we need to..."

Lois stopped short. "Her latest comment to me was, and I quote, 'Teal would
set off the fish tanks so well, and the color is entirely complimentary to
the feng shui...'"

"Okay, the moon it is."

{Mackteach}

***

Lois watched from behind camera 1, nervously chewing on her thumb as the
television crew scurried about during the commercial break.  Barry Dunning
was in discussion with the assistant director, while several make-up
personnel fussed with the panelists.

The two experts hired by Newstime were eyeing each other warily.  Lois had
overheard the producer earlier apologizing profusely to one of the men ...
something about a satellite link. She hadn't paid much attention, her mind
totally focused on the ordeal to come. Checking her watch, Lois sighed
before
turning toward a certain red-and-blue clad superhero.

Sensing her eyes on him, Superman looked at Lois, his gaze locking with
hers.
 He half-smiled, trying to reassure her.  Lois mouthed "I love you,"  and
relaxed a bit when he nodded slightly, acknowledging her message discreetly.
When he dared a wink, she covered her mouth with her hand to hide the quick
smile that came to her lips.

"All righty, people!  Here we go!"

The sudden exclamation startled Lois and she stepped back as the cameraman
moved into position.

"Ready, Barry?  And in three ... two ... one!"

During the countdown, Dunning adjusted his tie and focused on the cue cards
just to the side of the camera.  When the assistant director pointed at him,
he began to read.

"Welcome back, ladies and gentleman. This is the last half of our special
presentation of 'In Your Face.'  The topic of tonight's show is 'Superman:
Alien or Machine?'  Once again, let me introduce our panelists."

Dunning turned to his left.  "We have with us tonight Professor Jonah
McNamara, noted robotics expert."  The small man removed his glasses and
nodded slightly into the camera.

"Next to him, Dr. Alexander Carter, from the Devil's Head Institute for the
Study of Extra-Terrestrials."  Dr. Carter grinned and waved into the camera,
mimicking the hand gestures from  'Close Encounters of the Third Kind.'
McNamara turned away in disgust.

Dunning turned to the other side.  "Dr. Bernard Klein, New Projects Director
at STAR Labs."  Dr. Klein nodded.

"And finally, Dr. Sam Lane, cutting edge researcher in bionics and
artificial
intelligence."  Sam smiled genially into the camera.

"Also with us are Morgan Edge from Newstime and Perry White from The Daily
Planet.  Gentlemen, shall we continue?"

The scientists all shifted in their seats as Dunning continued. "Dr.
McNamara, in your expert opinion, is Superman a machine?"

<zoomway>

"I've never said that Superman *is* a machine," McNamara corrected. "I
merely
said that given the recent advances in robotics, Superman *could* possibly
be
an advanced machine of some type. Look at Vixen, for example."

Dunning nodded. "Excellent point. Ultra Woman, likewise, may have been a
machine. She certainly vanished without a trace."

Lois glanced at Clark. He was getting angry. Though she didn't blame him, it
wouldn't help their case if he lost his temper. She rose from her chair and
went to the water cooler just around the corner backstage.

"Clark, I know you can hear me, and I know you're upset," she whispered, and
began filling a cup with water as someone walked past. "But you *can't* let
them get to you. That's what they want." She sighed and took a sip of the
water as another person passed by. "Don't give them the satisfaction,
Clark."

She gulped down the rest of the water and walked back quietly to her off
camera seat.

Clark's jaw was still defiantly set, but his eyes had softened. He'd gotten
the message.

Dunning swiveled to face Klein. "Any comments, Doctor Klein?"

Klein swallowed hard and smoothed down his bowtie. "I've examined Superman
on
numerous occasions, and if he's a machine, then my hat's off to his creator
for making organic parts."

"Organic parts aren't out of the realm of possibility," Carter chimed in. "A
mixture of man and machine is what gives as cyborgs, after all."

Dunning turned to Sam. "That would be your area of expertise, Doctor Lane."

Sam glanced briefly at his daughter and then back to Dunning. He decided to
beat them to the punch. "I just tinker in that field, Barry," he shrugged.
"I
haven't practiced medicine for years. I was kind of surprised I was asked to
be on the panel. That is, unless you're interested in buying some Abs in a
Bottle," he said, and released a laugh as loud as thunder.

Lois laughed along with the small studio audience. He had taken himself out
of the "expert" running, but did so in a way that damaged nothing and even
let some of the hot air out of the proceedings.

Edge, made furious by the sudden tone of levity, leaned forward. "Doctor
Lane, there are those who believe that you yourself might have created
Superman, and then, in concert with your daughter, who used the Daily Planet
as a propaganda tool, safely insinuated Superman into the world as a
'hero'."

Sam maintained his easy-going attitude. "Mr. Edge, if I had that kind of
talent, I'd sell the Superman patent to the U.S. government, retire to my
own
private island, and surround myself with hundreds of beautiful robots who'd
serve me martinis and massage my feet." He spoke casually, but somewhere in
the back of his mind he could see Ellen throwing a purple duck at the
television screen.

As the laughter died down a second time, Barry Dunning saw his chance. "To
be
fair, Mr. Edge," he said and pulled a tabloid from behind his desk. "last
year the rumors were that Superman was not only 'living' but also," he said,
holding up the Dirt Digger cover showing Lois and Superman in their amorous
embrace, "living it up."

"A complete hoax," Perry said, finally entering the battle. "Hank's Photo
Lab
faked that picture and was paid handsomely for it."

"True, Mr. White," Edge nodded. "However, I attended Samantha Fox's trial.
She did admit to having to resort to faking the photo but only because her
actual photos of Lois Lane and Superman were destroyed."

"What a coincidence," Perry laughed. "The same thing happened to my photos
of
Elvis and Marilyn Monroe doing the jitterbug during the Gettysburg Address."

Edge finally exploded. "The fact is those 'rumors' never completely went
away," he blared. "In fact, many believe that Lois Lane's marriage to Clark
Kent is a sham!" The audience crooned the "ooh" chorus at that comment.

Perry, noticing Sam's hands clinching into fists, interceded. "I hope you
know the meaning of slander, Mr. Edge."

Edge's lips curled into a patronizing grin. "I do indeed, Mr. White. I
clearly said 'many people' believe, not that *I* personally believe."

"I'm afraid I don't follow," Dunning said, knowing *exactly* what Edge was
implying.

"Simply this, Barry," Edge continued. "Lois Lane and Superman's mutual
affection has been documented since his arrival in Metropolis, and--"

"Oh yes," Barry nodded. "We've seen most of that footage. At least," he
added
with a smile, "the *public* displays."

Lois sighed and rolled her eyes. Maybe she should have stayed home and waged
war with Audrey the funereal nursery decorator instead.

"Exactly," Edge said. "So public that Ms. Lane often became the target of
various nefarious types."

"Takes one to know one," Lois muttered under her breath.

"Those gunning for Superman, you mean?" Barry asked.

"Yes, and because of that, some speculate that Clark Kent, Superman's close
friend, agreed to enter a 'straw man' marriage with Lois Lane to draw
attention away from her affiliation to Superman."

"Oh, judas priest," Perry moaned. "I've been a guest in Lois and Clark's
home
dozens of times. I've never seen a couple so--"

"Rehearsed?" Edge offered.

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(Eraygun)

Clark turned on the small TV set tucked away on one of the kitchen shelves.
"Well, we can watch it in here, or we could tape it and watch it later if
you'd rather continue our discussions with Audrey."

"I'd rather have a root canal than be in the same room with Audrey. Let's
watch it now."

Lois grimaced as the jarring 'In Your Face' theme music came on the air,
followed by Barry "Vulture Boy" Dunning's face filling the small screen.

He did the usual introductory droning for a few minutes and then turned to
Morgan Edge.

"Oh, God, he still looks slimy."

"Which one, honey?" Clark said with a smirk.

Lois giggled. "Good point."

"Well, Morgan --" Dunning began, "I can call you Morgan, can't I?"

"Of course, Barry," Morgan replied affably.

"How does it feel to be the at the eye of the storm in this controversy
about
Superman?"

"Oy, he calls that a question? What kind of an interview is this?"

"Sssh, honey, we need to hear this."

"Well, Barry, it's a tough job but somebody has to do it.  As editor of
Newstime I believe I have sacred covenant with the people of Metropolis to
ferret out corruption and dishonesty wherever I find it."

"He should start by looking in a mirror," Lois muttered.

Clark gave Lois a look of mild disapproval and then turned back to the TV.

"Like everyone else in Metropolis, I admired Superman at one time. But
there's no denying that, android or alien, things just don't add up about
him, particularly after his recent attempt at *world domination*."

Clark winced at the choice of words and Edge's tone. "I really blew it big
time," he mumbled.

"It's okay, sweetheart," Lois said soothingly. "It wasn't your fault - you
weren't yourself. And the UN has fully absolved you of malicious intent.
After all, it never got further than a speech and a written proposal for
world reorganization."

"Tell that to Edge."

They turned their attention back to the set as the interview continued.

"So you intend to do further investigation into this?"

"Count on it, Barry. Newstime will be printing special follow-up editions
containing new revelations in the great Superman conspiracy."

"So now it's a conspiracy?" Lois said in a disgusted voice.

"I guess so, sweetheart."

<Mackteach>

***
At the Newstime offices, Henson watched the TV monitors as the interview
continued.  He shook his head and murmured under his breath.  "'Sacred
covenant.' Geez, he really talks like that."  His attention was caught by
what Edge was saying now.

"... and you know, Barry ... what better way to ensure that a conspiracy is
hidden than by enlisting one of the most influential and trustworthy methods
of communication we have?"

Henson noted Dunning's slightly confused yet excited look.  Barry Dunning
had
absolutely no idea where Morgan Edge was going, but he was sure enjoying the
ride.  "So, Morgan.  You're saying that ..."

"We've been manipulated, Barry.  Lulled into a sense of safety by the
persons
and entities involved in this conspiracy."

Dunning leaned forward, sensing an exclusive.  "Are you ready to name
names?"

Morgan Edge sat back in his chair, a smug look on his face.  "Think about
it,
Barry. Who are Superman's acquaintances?  Who gets the exclusive interviews
with Superman? Who works for a great metropolitan newspaper?"

Barry Dunning turned to the camera.  Looking directly into it, his eyes
gleaming, he made his pronouncement.  "You heard it here first, people. This
conspiracy involves Lois Lane and probably the entire news staff at The
Daily
Planet!"  He turned back to Morgan, extending his hand.  "Morgan Edge, thank
you for this exclusive interview."

Smiling smugly, Edge shook Dunning's hand.  "Just doing my civic duty,
Barry.
 All in the name of truth, justice, and the American way."

Henson stared at the TV screen, his mouth agape.  He couldn't believe what
he
had heard.  Morgan Edge had just implicated The Daily Planet in a conspiracy
against humankind!  He continued to look at the monitor as he reached for
the
buzzing telephone on his desk.

"Newstime.  Henson." Henson's attention was pulled from the television as he
heard the voice on the other end.  Turning away, he lowered his voice so no
one would overhear him.  "Yes, I'm here ... yeah, I just saw that ... I
understand."  He hung up the phone and quickly looked about.  He had never
met the person that belonged to that voice and he hoped that he never would.
As feminine as it sounded, he heard the ruthlessness behind the whiskey
tones.

He let out a long breath and looked at the computer screen in front of him.
Opening the file, he continued working on the next article in the conspiracy
series, adding the few "suggestions" he had been ordered to include.

***
Clark turned the television off and looked at Lois.  She was staring at the
now blank screen.

"Honey?  Are you all right?" He reached out and touched her shoulder.
"Lois?"

His touch made Lois turn her eyes to Clark.  What he saw there made him glad
that Morgan Edge and Barry Dunning were nowhere near the brownstone.  If she
had superpowers, Clark had no doubt that both men would now be piles of
cinders, burned by Lois' heat vision.

Her voice low, Lois spoke slowly.  "He's made it personal now, Clark."

Clark moved his hand from her shoulder to the side of her neck, feeling the
rapid beating of her pulse against his fingertips.  Leaning toward her, he
whispered into her ear.  "I know, sweetheart.  I know." His thumb stroked
along her pulse line, and as it did, her heartbeat slowly returned to
normal.
 Finally, she let out a long sigh, her arms coming up to hug him.

Clark pulled her into his arms.  "We'll find out what's going on, honey."

Lois buried her head in Clark's shoulder, feeling his calm strength flowing
>from him to her.  She muttered under her breath.

Clark pulled back slightly.  Even his superhearing hadn't been able to
decipher what she had muttered.  "What did you say?"

Sighing once more, Lois looked up at Clark.  "I said that Morgan Edge is a
--"

"Yellow bunnies!"  Ellen exclaimed as she entered the kitchen.  "Lois?  What
do you think?"

They stared at Ellen for a moment.  Clark pulled Lois to him once more as he
heard her whispered, "Oy."

{Melisma}

Ellen stared back at the stricken couple before her. "What is it?"

Before either of them could reply, Sam poked his nose through the door. "Did
I hear a TV in here? I thought I heard them say something about androids."

"Where did you all go?" Audrey wailed, sweeping past the elder Lanes.

"Oy and oy," Lois whimpered, so softly that only Clark could hear.

"Ellen, Sam, Audrey, I'm really sorry, but there's a crisis at the Planet,"
Clark cut in. "We need to get back there. You can stay here, of course, and
work on the nursery if you want."

"Oh, let these ladies stay," Sam said. "Maybe I can help you?" He shooed
them
out the door yet again.

As soon as they were in the Jeep he blurted, "Okay, what's going on?"

<zoomway>

"Not sure, Sam," Clark said as he pulled into traffic. "But it looks like
that 'Superman conspiracy theory' is heating up."

"Vulture Boy had Edge on his show tonight," Lois added as she threw a candy
wrapper out the window.

"Barry Dunning?" Sam asked.

"Honey," Clark frowned. "I wish you wouldn't throw things out the window
when
you're mad. I get the ticket, and that's how we lost the air-conditioning
instructions."

Lois sighed. "Sorry."

Sam smiled. He loved being with his daughter and son-in-law. He was sorry he
had missed so much. "So Edge has upped the stakes," he said. "I think
Superman should file a lawsuit."

Clark looked into the rearview mirror at Sam. "A lawsuit? I don't think
Superman--"

Lois turned in her seat. "Daddy, that's a brilliant idea!"

"Thank you, princess, I have them every once in a while."

"I think you're on the right track," Clark conceded, "but lawsuits take time
and a *lot* of money. Neither of which Superman has."

Lois got on the cell phone and waited impatiently, drumming her fingers on
her knee. "Perry? Lois. Meet us at the Planet, we were thinking about filing
a--" She stopped and listened. A smile broadened across her face. "Perfect!
We're on our way."

Clark looked at Lois. "Well?"

"Perry has a better idea. Because Edge impugned the Planet's integrity on
the
air, he got on the phone to 'In Your Face' and demanded equal time."

"And?" Sam asked, craning forward anxiously.

"He *got* it," Lois crowed. "So," she continued, "we're going to have a
pow-wow at the Planet and work out the arrangements with some of Dunning's
'people'"

Clark smiled as he made the turn off for the Planet. "I hope the TV censors
don't have too much trouble with Perry."

***
Henson crushed out his fifth cigarette. The logistics of getting Dr.
McNamara
and Professor Carter on the same program was difficult, but he had his
orders. McNamara viewed Carter as the worst kind of pandering "pop"
scientist, and Carter decried McNamara as an "old school" lackey of
scientific dogma. "Oh yeah,"  Henson moaned. "I love my job."

Edge entered the room and began fanning the smoke furiously. "Trying to kill
me before I put Superman in his place tomorrow night?"

"Sorry, Mr. Edge," Henson said, and opened a small window. "I think I
finally
have McNamara and Carter willing to appear together, but they'll both be on
remote satellite uplinks. They don't want to be in the same studio
together."

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(zoomway)

"Now just a minute," Sam interjected angrily. "If you're implying that my
son-in-law just serves as some ... public front for Superman--"

"*I'm* not implying anything," Edge insisted.

Dunning folded his hands and faked his best 'pensive' expression. "Doctor
Lane has a point, Mr. Edge. Regardless of who is making the accusations, the
very idea that Lois Lane's true relationship is with Superman rather than
her
legal husband would seem to imply-"

"Precisely," Edge said, an air of triumph in his voice. "That Superman is
the
father of her child."

Sam was out of  his chair like a rocket. The audience began chanting
"Bar-ry!
Bar-ry! Bar-ry!" But as fast as Sam was, he couldn't get past Superman who
had sped onto the set the instant Sam had left his chair.

"Believe me," Superman said as he held Sam back. "I can understand your
anger, Dr. Lane, but violence would only serve *his* purpose," looking over
his shoulder at Edge.

"You're right, Superman," Sam said, and ran a hand over his scalp, trying to
compose himself. "I think I'll go back to what apparently is my Frankenstein
laboratory and destroy all my brilliant blueprints of a robot so
sophisticated it not only looks human and can fly, but can also impregnate
my
daughter."

The audience laughed and applauded as Sam took his seat. The tide was
turning
and Edge knew it. Even though he'd squeezed in the pregnancy accusation as
Mindy had wanted, it had ironically served to make a burlesque of what had
been, up to that point, an effective and scientifically plausible smear
campaign against Superman.

"Gentlemen," Superman said, addressing the horseshoe-shaped assembly of
guests. "I can't give you answers that would likely satisfy your curiosity.
Because frankly," he shrugged, "I don't know the answers. I'm no different
>from you in that I have to take on faith what my heritage is."

He looked at McNamara. "I take Dr. Klein at his word that I'm not a machine.
Then again," he continued, "none of you would ever have to face that kind of
accusation. Why?" he asked, and turned to Dunning. "You currently have an
autobiography on the bestseller list."

Dunning nodded proudly. "And I'm in negotiations for the film rights."

"You stated in your book," Superman continued, ignoring the hyperbole, "that
your parents are Irene and Joseph Dunning."

Dunning stiffened. "You're saying they aren't my parents?" he asked
defensively.

"No, of course not," Superman smiled. "But I *am* saying that most of us
accept on faith what our origins are."

A man with a shoulder-mounted camera moved behind the panelists to get a
face
shot of Superman.

Edge, trying to recoup control, leaned forward. "Are you asking us to accept
what you say on *faith*, Superman?"

To the panel's surprise, Superman shook his head. "No," he said softly. "I
guess what I'm really asking is does it matter?"

Lois' heart went out to her husband. If they only knew he was more Kansas
farm boy than "strange visitor" it likely would be even more impossible for
the world to believe.

"If," Superman continued, "despite Dr. Klein's findings, I turned out to be
a
machine, would it matter? If, despite Professor Carter's supposition that
aliens are grey with large heads and bulging eyes, I truly am an alien,
would
it matter?"

"Actually," Edge said. "Your *origins* don't really interest me. I couldn't
care less if you're a machine, an alien or a product of mass hypnosis.
*Regardless* of what you are, sometimes you're very dangerous," he said and
leaned to the side so that his face could be seen clearly on the other
camera. "That business with the UN recently, and nearly a year ago when your
powers went kerflooey."

Klein raised his eyebrows. "Kerflooey?"

"That's all very true, Mr. Edge," Perry said, rising from his seat. "But you
seem to be forgetting that the only reason you and I and everybody else is
able to even be here today debating this issue, is because Superman saved
the
Earth from the Nightfall asteroid." Perry folded his arms. "Or are we
supposed to take *that* on faith too?"

"All right," Edge shrugged. "I'm willing to judge Superman by his deeds
alone, that business with the UN, for example--"

"I'm glad you feel that way," Perry interrupted. "Maybe if we put this issue
to a world vote, the results might surprise you, Mr. Edge. How do you think
the citizens of China would vote after Superman rescued thousands of trapped
and injured survivors of that earthquake?"

"How about India," Klein offered. "After he diverted a typhoon?"

"Or the one thousand, six hundred and ninety-eight passengers from
commercial
airlines."  All eyes turned to Carter. He shrugged. "I keep up with air
traffic news. It's a good source for UFO sightings."

"Okay," Dunning said, wanting to prevent the show from becoming a Superman
hero rally. "None of us would discount Superman's great humanitarian
efforts,
or that it probably doesn't matter what his origins are, so that only leaves
the issue of his relationship with Lois Lane."

Edge sighed and rubbed his forehead. The burlesque had returned. He hoped
Mindy was getting her money's worth.

"I guess that's where I come in." Lois spoke as she entered the panel to a
smattering of applause. "Hello, Superman," she said, offering her hand.

"Ms. Lane," he smiled, and took her hand. "I hope this hasn't been too
stressful for you."

Lois shrugged. "No more than 'In Your Face' usually is." The audience
laughed.

"So, you're here to deny you ever loved Superman?" Dunning asked flatly.

"Mr. Dunning, I once told you that my relationship with Superman was
nobody's
business but my own, but you twisted that to suit your own purpose. So," she
sighed, "I'll be more specific this time."

"Please do," Barry said, a self-satisfied smile on his face.

"I admit that when Superman first appeared in Metropolis, I was seriously
infatuated with him," she began. She scanned Superman slowly from head to
boot and then turned to the audience. "What's not to like?" The audience
whistled and applauded. Superman blushed.

"But," she said, "there's a big difference between infatuation and true
love.
The whole time I was infatuated with Superman, before I fell in love with
Clark Kent, Superman and I *never* had a sexual relationship. Not in legal
terms, or presidential spin-doctoring terms."

The "ooh" chorus returned. Barry seemed unconvinced. "So you're saying that
you've only been intimate with your legal husband."

"Yes, but I like to call him 'Clark'. It fits better on party invitations."

The audience laughed again. Edge loosened his necktie, but it did nothing to
alleviate the feeling of a noose tightening around his neck.

"However, I'd like to put this kind of rumor to rest once and for all," Lois
added. "So, after the baby is born, Dr. Klein can perform a DNA test to
prove
to everyone that Clark is the father of my baby."

"I'd be happy to," Klein said.

"Fine," Lois said, and sighed airily. "Then what we've accomplished today is
to establish that Superman, no matter if he's an alien, a robot, or a
delivery boy for Ralph's Pagoda, is a hero whose good deeds far outweigh
anything negative, and that I have a fairly conventional relationship with
my
husband. Does that about sum it up?"

"Apparently," Superman nodded.

"Great, then I guess we're finished here," Lois shrugged and stretched out a
hand to her father. "I need to pick Clark up and meet his parents at the
airport. You can tell me how you built Superman out of box tops and kite
string on our way there."

Sam laughed and took her hand. "Best offer I've had all day."

Perry rose from his chair and glared at Edge. "And *I* have an editorial to
write."

***
Henson, sitting alone in his dark little cubicle, shut off the TV and lit
another cigarette. "That's that," he sighed and turned back to his computer
screen. He flicked ashes in the general direction of the ashtray, and then
typed one word. Resume.

{Eraygun}

***
As they exited the airport Lois turned to Jonathan and Martha who were
squeezed into the back seat next to her father.  "Are you sure you don't
want
to be dropped off at the hotel, Martha?" Lois asked with concern.  "This
could get pretty ugly."

"Honey, I don't think you have anything to worry about. I'm sure your mother
will understand how you and Clark feel and why you want to get rid of
Audrey," Martha replied soothingly.

"That's right, Lois. It's not like your mother is irrational," Jonathan
added.

Lois and her father exchanged looks of disbelief, but said nothing.

***
Parking in front of the brownstone, the group entered the house, but instead
of Audrey and Ellen madly going through the books of wallpaper samples, they
found Ellen alone, sitting at a bare dining room table.

"Mother, where's Audrey?"

"Gone," Ellen said flatly.

"Oh, did she have another appointment?" Clark asked.

"No. I fired her."

"You what?! Why? I thought you liked her ideas."

Ellen sighed. "I did, at least those that didn't involve purple ducks, but
watching you a little while ago on 'In Your Face' made me realize
something."

"What?" Lois asked warily.

Ellen stood up and looked directly at Lois. "That you're not my little girl
anymore.  You're a grown woman, with a husband you love, and who loves you,
and I can't just barge in and take over the way I used to."

"I wouldn't exactly call what you do barging in, Mother--" Lois glanced at
Clark, who raised one eyebrow.  "All right, maybe I would.  But--"

"But nothing. I'm pushy and overbearing," Ellen sighed, "and that's one of
the reasons why you and Clark don't want me to have anything to do with the
baby."

"What?!"  Martha and Jonathan chorused.

"Mother, you can't be serious."

"Oh, geez, not again. Ellen, I told you before it's not tr-"

Lois turned to Sam. "You mean she's said this before?"

Sam nodded. "It started right after you told us that you were pregnant. She
decided that you and Clark were trying to isolate yourselves from us,
because
we'll be *unsuitable* grandparents."

Lois's and Clark's mouths dropped open. "Ellen, why would you think
something
like that?" Clark asked when he could finally speak.

"Well, look at us," Ellen said as she pointed at Sam. "We're divorced-"

Continued in part 7/7
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* * *

The offer of herbal tea had at least gotten that Audrey woman out of their
upstairs rooms, but Ellen was still overflowing with ideas for the perfect
nursery. As much as she'd enjoyed planning Lois's wedding, she was having
even more fun planning for her future grandchild's room. In fact, it seemed
that the more outrageous Audrey's suggestions were, the more excited Ellen
became.

Lois's heart sank, as she looked at Clark.  He smiled and leaned over to
whisper in her ear, "Do you think this could be a job for Superman?"

Lois couldn't help but giggle at that idea, and of course Ellen wanted to
know what was so funny.  Fortunately for everyone involved, the doorbell
rang.

Clark sighed but went to answer it.  What now?

"Sam!  What are you doing here?" Clark had never considered his
father-in-law
in the light of a rescuer, but he now realized that he'd underestimated him.

"I'm looking for Ellen.  We've got plans for the evening."

{Melisma}

Clark looked over at Lois with a come-hither look, the kind that meant
'Lois,
come here. I have an idea!'

"Mom, excuse me for a minute?" Lois joined Clark and her father at the door
with a questioning expression in her eyes.

"What?" she hissed at her husband.

"Um, Lois, remember the assignment Perry gave us? Sam, we really could use
your expertise with it," Clark said just loudly enough for the other two to
hear. "Could you postpone your evening plans for just a half-hour or so? It
would be a *real* lifesaver for Lois and me."

"Yeah, you have *no* idea," Lois muttered.

"Sure, Clark, Lois. You know I'd do anything for you. Um, Ellen, could you
and..." Sam looked at his daughter quizzically.

"Audrey," she prompted.

"...Audrey excuse us for a bit, please? The kids and I are just going to
take
a walk around the block." He herded Lois and Clark out the door before Ellen
could react, almost as if he had had lots of practice doing it.

The three of them walked down the steps and stood on the sidewalk.  Sam
looked expectantly at Lois.

"Um, Daddy, you've seen Superman up close," she said, not sure how to start.

"Yes..."

"Um, well, do you think... Oh, this is ridiculous! Do you think he could be
a
cyborg?"

"A *what*?" Sam's mouth dropped to his knees. "Um, haha, um..." he waffled.

{Misha}

Clark's lips pursed together as Sam hrumphed and cleared his throat
repeatedly. "You know, Sam, if you're coming down with something, there's an
herbal tea from Micronesia that might help. I have some back at the
townhouse."

Lois shot him a glance of horror.

Sam just sighed. "No, no. It's not that."

"Well, Daddy?"

Sam scratched the back of his head. "Well, if you mean is he a cyborg like
one of mine, no. I can make them do a lot of things, but flying isn't one of
them. Now the eye-gizmo, I've thought about maybe duplicating some of
the..."

"Daddy..."

"Sorry, princess. It's just that the definition of cyborg is pretty broad.
Anyone with an artificial heart qualifies, just because they've got a
machine
inside them. So I couldn't really postulate based on a cursory examination."

Lois grimaced and traded a look with Clark. "Uh-oh."

* * *

"Uh-oh." Henson bit down on his tongue, hoping that his whispered horror
hadn't reached his editor. He glanced at the article in his hand for the
third time. The title glared back at him, unchanging, and Henson bounced
back
and forth on the balls of his feet. Nah, Edge didn't really want to find out
about the United Nations from him.

He crumpled the article in his hand, the fresh ink staining his palm. He'd
let some other employee get canned over this one. Right now, he had a
superhero to slander.

{zoomway}

Henson wrung his hands nervously. "Slander? Slander. Slander!" he said, as
finally a triumphant thought found its way among the convolutions. The name
Randy Goode popped out of his mental card file. He'd been busted for several
major offenses, but his slanderous frame-up of Lois and Superman was the
item
that now fascinated Henson.

He had no intention of duplicating that feat; however, the mental
association
of Goode led to Lois Lane, a name forever connected to Superman. Lois
Lane...a woman whose father made cyborgs. Lois Lane...married to Clark Kent,
Superman's best friend. Lois Lane...almost every exclusive on Superman, and
forever his defender. Henson sat at his word processor and typed one word.
Conspiracy.

***

"Daddy, you saved Superman's life...you know he's human...well..not human,
but--"

"Sweetie," Sam soothed. "Bring Superman to me, I'll examine him. I'll make a
report, but," he cautioned, "if I find anything that isn't living tissue--"

"Thank you, Sam," Clark said. "That's all we ask."

Sam patted Clark's shoulder. "I'll do what I can, but you better have
another
scientist for corroboration."

"Dr. Klein," Lois and Clark said in unison.

"Klein's a fine man, well thought of." Sam turned to Lois. "You two go talk
to Klein, I'll keep your mother occupied." He thought a moment. "Now, that
Audrey is more in line with cyborg technology..."

"Thank you, Daddy," Lois said, and kissed his cheek.

He smiled. "I'm practicing for spoiling my grandchildren."

Clark put his arm around Lois. "You can swap notes with my dad. He already
has a Smallville Little League jersey picked out."

Sam straightened and put a hand on his chin. "Then I guess that Metropolis
Tigers football helmet I bought yesterday wasn't completely out of line."

Lois folded her arms. "What makes the respective grandfathers think this
child will be a boy?"

Clark smiled and started ushering Lois and Sam back towards the townhouse.
"What makes you think a daughter couldn't make it to the majors?"

"Ha!" Sam laughed and pounded a fist into his palm. "Exactly! My little girl
once intercepted a pass and ran sixty-seven yards for a touchdown."

Clark raised his eyebrows as they walked into the foyer. "Really?"

Lois shrugged and bopped Clark playfully with her hip. "I have good hands."

He smiled and nodded. "No argument there."

As they entered the townhouse, they saw that the dining table was awash in
fabric swatches and wallpaper samples. Ellen looked up, her face fairly
flushed with decorating combat fatigue.

"Sweetie," she beamed. "Come look at some of these cute samples," she said,
and then lowered her voice, "but please, if you love your mother, hate the
purple duck wallpaper as much as I do."

"No problem, I hate it already and I haven't seen it yet."

"Clark," Ellen said, taking his hand. "I want you to be part of this, too."

To Lois' surprise, Clark smiled and said, "Sure, happy to."

Sam followed along quietly. He hadn't been invited, but then again, he had
abruptly left with Lois and Clark without inviting Ellen, so it was not a
real surprise.

Audrey offered her hand without looking up. "I think we can do some good
here
if we can get rid of some of the sunshine that will be pouring through the
window in the room that you've chosen for the nursery."

Lois took the offered hand. "I picked that room *because* it has a lot of
sunlight."

Audrey finally deigned to raise her gaze. "But sunlight fades carpets and
wallpaper."

"A *lack* of sunlight "fades" babies," Lois replied flatly.

"I agree," Clark said. "The window and sunshine stay."

Sam picked up a swatch. "Purple ducks?"

Audrey, perhaps seeing an ally at last, lowered her glasses coquettishly.
"Adorable, aren't they?"

"It reminds me of the time one Easter Ellen and I had a little too much to
drink."

Ellen, despite not wanting to, laughed. Lois looked at her parents
suspiciously.

"Is that the year you hid the Easter eggs in the neighbor's back yard?"

"No, sweetie," Ellen soothed. "This was back when your father and I were
dating. The year the eggs got hidden in the neighbor's yard--"

"Can we please get on with this. I do have *other* clients," Audrey
interrupted.

Ellen cleared her throat. "Certainly."

"If the window stays, then we'll go with brighter colors than I had first
envisioned."

"Bright colors in a nursery, what a cutting edge concept," Lois said.

"Anyone for coffee," Clark offered with all the false cheer possible.

"I'll have some," Audrey said, tossing the purple duck sample back into her
folio.

Clark crooked an arm around Lois and began hustling her towards the kitchen.
"Help me find the filters, honey."

Lois nodded as she and Clark reached the swinging door. "You're not too bad
at interceptions yourself, Kent."

"Well," he said softly. "I had a feeling you were going to--"

"Get fined for unnecessary roughness?"

He laughed and reached over her head for the cups. "Something like that."

The phone rang. Lois patted Clark's chest as she picked up the receiver.
"Oh,
hi, Jimmy. Emergency call back to the Planet, I hope?"  She listened a
moment
and sighed. "Great, that's all I need. Thanks, Jimmy. We'll take a look."

Clark began filling the pot with water. "Bad news?"

"Not sure. Jimmy said that Morgan Edge, our friend from Newstime, is the
guest on 'In Your Face' in about five minutes."

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Jonathan shrugged. "It happens in the best of families," he stated
matter-of-factly.

"I'm an alcoholic --"

"Recovered," Sam and Martha said in unison.

Ellen rolled her eyes. "The point is that compared to Jonathan and Martha,
Sam and I are like the ... the Addams Family. I don't blame you for wanting
to keep your distance."

"Ellen, this isn't a competition or a contest, it's a family. No one expects
you to be perfect," Martha said gently.

"That's right Mother," Lois said, with a grateful look at Martha. "Clark and
I love you and Daddy, warts and all.  Even if you do make me crazy
sometimes," she murmured, in a voice only Clark could hear.

Clark gave Ellen his warmest smile. "And we not only want you both to be a
part of our baby's life, we're pretty much expecting it."

Ellen was no more resistant to that smile than her daughter. She smiled
back.
"Really?"

Lois nodded and gave her mother a hug. "Really. So you'd better be prepared
for baby-sitting duty," she said with a grin.

Ellen's eyes misted slightly and she laughed self consciously. "Well, in
that
case, maybe I should call Audrey again. We've still got a nursery to
decorate--

"Mother, forget about Audrey."

"But she has such wonderful ideas--"

"I think that if the six of us put our heads together we should be able to
come up with some wonderful ideas of our own," Lois said firmly.

"And I think," Clark linked arms with both Lois and Ellen and began
shepherding them to the door, "that the best place to discuss them is over
dinner at Mama Lucia's."

{Misha}

***

Morgan Edge shut his door gently behind him and closed all the blinds. Only
then did he take the late edition of the Daily Planet and rip it into tiny
shreds. He sat down finally, sweat beading on his forehead.

Only two days ago, he'd been riding the crest of the wave that should have
crushed Superman. His sources were discredited and his staff writers had
just
quit en masse, headed by Henson of all people. Edge shook his head. He was a
leader of men, well respected and feared by his lowly underlings. What had
gone wrong?

His gaze rested on the scraps of confetti littering his floor. Lane and Kent
had gone wrong, he decided. They had somehow blindsided the UN into
believing
that Superman had committed a journalistic offense with his proposal,
instead
of a plot to enslave humanity. They had subverted his staff, perhaps enticed
them away with dreams of 'real' journalism. Edge snorted. He'd been to
Hollywood. There was no such thing. The deluded fools.

His thoughts glanced off the scientists that Mindy had pointed him towards
and halted on the image of the blonde beauty. The witch who... he shied away
>from contemplating his fate.

Instead he sat shaking in his chair, waiting for the phone to ring.

* * *

{ChrisM}

It was a little after midnight when Clark unlocked the front door of the
brownstone.  Finally! he and Lois could be alone ... even if one of them was
already asleep, he thought with a tender smile.

The dinner at Mama Lucia's had been nice--even entertaining--since a couple
of patrons had recognized Lois and Sam from the TV show and came over to
shake their hands.  Their waiter had overheard this and was quick to voice
his own support for Superman.  He'd called Barry Dunning a "sleaze
merchant,"
and said he never watched "that trashy show" but had heard all about it from
some of the staff.  Then, he must have told that self-same staff because the
owner himself, Raphael Bottellini, had wafted from the kitchens to add his
own congratulations, and to offer a complimentary bottle of wine for the
good
doctor to share with his family.

He'd beamed upon them all, shook their hands and, because he thought that
Ellen was Sam's wife, he'd kissed her hand, very gallantly, and complimented
Sam on his good taste and Ellen on her "oh so beautiful eyes."  The wine had
been presented and approved, uncorked and poured, and toasts had been
solemnly drunk to "Truth" and "Superman, wherever he might be" and everyone
in the restaurant had applauded.

For Clark, it had all been extremely gratifying, and humbling, to know that
most of Metropolis's citizens did not seem to share Dunning's nor Edge's
desire to see Superman disgraced.  Lois had squeezed his hand and smiled at
him in a comforting way, and his parents had managed to look proud without
drawing attention to themselves ... yes, it had been quite an evening.  If
only he hadn't been called away to an emergency a bare couple of minutes
after he and Lois had gotten home.

And now, here it was, much later than when he'd hoped to return, and Lois
had
had to go to bed without him ... again.  He turned off the downstairs
lights,
made sure the doors were all locked and then floated up the stairs and into
their bathroom.  There he quietly spun into his sleeping shorts, grateful
that he didn't have to worry about stepping on a creaky board.  Superman had
kept him away from Lois, but Superman's powers could also keep him from
waking her.

She must have sensed he was there, though, because he saw her eyes open and
her lips begin to smile as soon as he approached the bed.

"Hi, sweetheart," she murmured sleepily.

"Lois!" he said, surprise and consternation in his low voice.  "I thought
you
were asleep."

"I was," she grinned at him, "but I'm not now."  She watched him for a
moment
as he settled himself into the bed.  "Are you okay?  I saw the fire on LNN."

"Yeah, I'm fine.  Just ... glad to be home.  To be with you."  He was
pulling
the covers up, making sure that her shoulders and back were protected from
possible drafts, as she automatically moved to find her favorite position
against his chest.

Now things were as they should be, she thought, a contented smile playing
about her mouth.  "I'm glad you're home, too.  I missed you."  She lifted
her
head at that, and he kissed her upturned face, just as she'd known he would.
Settling herself again, she yawned slightly.  "I must have been sleeping
really well ... I didn't hear you 'whoosh' in."

He didn't say anything in reply to that and, since a reply wasn't really
required, it was hard to put a finger on just what made her wonder what was
up.  But something was.  She held him a little tighter.  "Clark?" she
prompted softly.

She could almost feel that mental shrug of his, and couldn't resist a small
smile over it.  This was some guy she had.

"Well, that's because I didn't ... 'whoosh in.'"

"Why?" she asked, softly.  She was rubbing her hand, lightly, up and down
his
arm--giving him the time and comfort he needed to resolve whatever this was.

"Well, after all that's happened the last couple of days, it seemed wiser
for
*Clark Kent* to enter his house by his front door."

She looked up at that, a twinkle in her eyes.  "Like a regular guy, huh?"

"Something like that."

She smiled and shook her head at him.

"What?"

His expression and the confusion she could hear in his voice made her grin.
She leaned forward to kiss him.  "I love you," she told him, with the air of
one who was stating the perfectly obvious.

"That's good."  He kissed her back, but was still confused.  "Do you want to
tell me why?  I mean ... usually when I ... get ... like this, you--"

"Obsessing, you mean?"

He nodded.

She propped herself up on her elbow so she could better see his face, and so
he could see hers.  "Honey, the only thing--well, the biggest thing--I don't
like about your obsessing, is what it can do to you.  It could give you a
skewed perspective, tunnel vision, gargantuan ulcers--!"  She could see that
he was about to interrupt her, but she stopped him.  "No, let me finish.
Clark, I have no complaints about the kinds of things you obsess over.  I
mean, other guys might obsess about ball scores, or investment portfolios,
or
mag wheels for their cars, or how to score with the newest sweet young thing
in the office steno pool ..."

"Lois ...!"

She kissed the tip of his nose.  "You, on the other hand, my wonderful
husband, you obsess about being a good husband and father, or taking care of
me and your parents and our friends, and doing a good job--both as Clark
Kent
*and* as that guy in tights.  These are things worth putting thought, time,
and effort into.  And," she kissed him again, "I love you for it.  Just
don't
go overboard, okay?"

She had gotten a grin out of him.  "Okay."

"Morgan Edge has been so thoroughly discredited that Superman won't have to
worry about him for the foreseeable future ... and neither should we."

"You're right ... as usual."

"Well, that goes without saying."

He laughed aloud at that remark, and they snuggled together again, settling
themselves into their familiar positions, arms and legs intertwined and
heads
close together.

"Honey?" Clark ventured, after a few minutes.

"Yes ...?"

"I've been thinking ... about that obsessing stuff, and well, I'll try not
to
worry so much ... be so intense, you know."

"Mmmm, that's good, because I can think of *much* better ways for you to
spend your time."

His responding chuckle was deep and rich, and it warmed her heart as much as
his arms around her warmed the rest of her.  "So can I, Lois.  So ... can
...
I," he assured her, his words punctuated by kisses.  And he proceeded to
show
her one of those ways.

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Kathy ain't the only one who's behind on this stuff (and yes, I'll
write to you ASAP regarding S6), so here's a couple of things that
would have come to mind had I had the time to think about it earlier....

B.B. wrote:
>>>> One of the things that I have never been able to reconcile in my
own head is how it would be possible for our Lois & Clark to inspire a
world devoid of technology. <<<<

To which James replied:

>>> Interesting thought but I do not believe that it is a world devoid
of technology. They do have something like TV and I am sure they have
computers. (Playing Devil's Advocate here) It is possible that Tempus
simply needed to observe Herb long enough to figure out the machine. <<<

I think you're right. What it sounds like to me is a world in which the
technology is so advanced and user-friendly that there's no need to
learn how to use it in a comparable fashion to the way, say, people
today need to learn to use operating systems, or mail software, or IRC.
If all you ever have to do is give the machine(s) simple orders in
colloquial language, then you're going to have trouble with the
intricacies of a command sequence like:

.PIP
*files2.dat = file1.dat,file0.dat/c/s
*ex
.

or even its DOS equivalent. (for those who are wondering, that's a
typical sequence of commands from an old Digital program, c.1976) And
manually operating something like Wells' time machine might be way out
of your experience. So Tempus will have no trouble doing it, he just
needs to learn _how_ to do it.

Later, Marie wrote:
>> [...] And you have Wendy, Margaret, Phil, Elizabeth and James as
Tempus Techs (Boo HISS!) to help you out. Get going, girlfriend! <<

Hey, leave us out of this! All we "did" was work out a way for Tempus
to get out of the nuthouse. It's fairly obvious that he _did_ (either
that, or TA and his subsequent appearances must feature an alternate
Tempus (but let's not start _that_ again -- except... maybe the older
Wells of TA and MJD/L&Cs is an alternate, too? Or not.... <g>), but
don't put us down as being on his side!

</me renoves tongue from cheek> And I'd like to read the story, too.

Still later, Sue asked:
> Something that I have been wondering about -- is the storyline of
Jar-El being of royal blood strictly a Lois and Clark thing or was it
in the Superman comic book also? <

And James replied:
>>> Jor-El was a member of the Science Council on Krypton in the
comics. The concept of ruling families is a total departure from the
comics. <<<

It should be clarified that James is referring to the pre-Crisis
comics. After the Byrne/Wolfman revamp, I don't think that much mention
has been made of any details of how Krypton was governed -- or if it
has, I missed it. I get the impression that just about everyone on
Krypton by the time of Jor-El was an "aristocrat", at least in terms of
the resources that they could command; in fact, it reminds me of

nothing so much as Issac Asimov's world of Solaria (from the
Baley/Olivaw mysteries) -- a world of anti-social individuals who shun
emotion and personal contact, and control their environment through
robots and holograms.

This impression is doubly reinforced by a recent issue of STARMAN, in
which the heroes meet Jor-El as a rebellious 17-year-old and influence
him to think of visiting Earth -- and, by implication, in choosing it
as the new home for his son. Methinks James Robinson has been reading
Asimov.

Phil, who will now descend back into lurk-dom -- it's exam time, and I
am up to my hairline in marking <groan>
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On Wed, 12 May 1999 10:23:31 -0500 Alyssa Mondelli
<alyssam@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:

> *sigh* Okay, guys, this is my fault. [snip](Ask me about my job. I
> love it, but it is taking *all* my time - and with the little I
> have left, I sleep and work on wedding plans.) So, I will try to
> get the episode up after work, probably by midnight tonight.
> Apologies to Sheila, Kathy, and the readers.

Alyssa, you are forgiven! I got back from my conference on Sunday and
promptly connected to the S6 website and read Sheila's story
(Fantastic!! More! More! - do we really have to wait four weeks for
part 2?????)

Hope the wedding plans are going well!

Best wishes,

Wendy

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Hi Everyone,

I know that this has nothing to do with fanfiction, but it has to do with
Dean Cain.  I am sending this here because the main LOISCLA LISTSERV is down
and has been for quite a while.  Anyone know why?  I don't want anyone to
miss this information.

The Joe Torry "Giving Back the Love" Foundation will be sponsoring their 2nd
Annual Celebrity Basketball Tournament this summer on July 10th, 1999.  More
information about the Foundation can be found at www.joetorryfoundation.com

I am organizing a mini fest for FOLCs who are interested in going to St.
Louis for this event.  Dean Cain is scheduled to be at the game, along with
several other TV, movie and sports stars.

The foundation will be having several different events going on during this
weekend.  Some private doings for corporate sponsors only and some public
events.

The basketball game will be held at the Kiel Center in downtown St. Louis.
I am currently gathering information on hotels, rates, transportation around
the city, and restaurants, and making plans for group events.

The following is a tentative agenda that I am planning.

Friday afternoon, July 9th      'Get to Know You' Gathering
Friday evening                          Dinner Party
Saturday morning                        Breakfast (private room)
Saturday luncheon                       Planet Hollywood
                                                (possible star sightings)
Basketball Game                 Kiel Center 4 PM
Saturday Evening                        Party at Club Utopia
                                                (stars in attendance)

If any one is interested in coming to St. Louis and would like to be in on
more detailed information please email me privately.  I have set up a group
email list.

Melody
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This is the day that the Lord has made, we will rejoice and be glad in it.
Psm. 118-24
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I don't suppose you know where I could obtain the War of the Worlds tape?

Carolyn

>>I ordered four Alien Voices cds from Starlog and they sent me the fifth as
>>a bonus, which I was really happily surprised about.
>....
>>The five titles are Journey to the Center of the Earth (Verne)
>>                 The Time Machine (Wells)
>>                 The Lost World (Doyle)
>>                 The Invisible Man (Wells)
>>                 The First Men on the Moon (Wells, I think, don't have it
>handy
>>                        and it was the bonus, so I didn't order it).
>
>
>A friend of mine taped an NPR broadcast for me from several years ago,
>"The War of The Worlds" by H.G.Wells, directed by John DeLancie,
>starring Leonard Nimoy, Gates McFadden, Armin Shimerman, Wil Wheaton,
>Brent Spiner, and a couple of other people I recognized at the time as Star
>Trek guests, although the names are eluding me at the moment -- I think
>Jerry Hardin was one -- which makes it tie back into to L&C, since
>Mr. Hardin played Wayne Irig in GGGoH!  <g>
>
>I'm glad to know about the other CDs available though -- gotta get me
>those!
>
>Peace
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Hi! I would be interested in joining. Where is the meating and how do I get
there on May 23?

Teri
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what?
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Hi :)
 I'm planning on putting together a FoLC Fest in MN this summer! We would
have fun, food, and shopping at the Mall of America! I need some help on
putting this thing together. If you are interested in helping out,
e-mail me :)
Love,
Erin
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>From: Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>

Hey, Kath. Thanks a bunch for the kind words.

>      "I got an 'earlier' flight so I took it. I stopped by the Planet
>and they told me where you'd gone, so I thought I'd come here," Clark said.
>"Oh, I read the article. Very nice."
>      "Thank you," Lois said, then stopped. "Wait a minute. The edition
>isn't out yet. That means you read...They let you proof my copy didn't
>they?" she scowled.
>      "Hey, my name's on that thing too," Clark said with a smile. He
>knew she wasn't upset.
>
><<<<<<<
>
>Is this refering to her gym story?  Why would Clark's name be on the gym
>story?

Oops, I took out a sentence after an editor pointed out a problem with it
and forgot to qualify which story I was referring to. No, the story it's
referring to is the one about the sewage system that I mentionned at an
earlier time. She hasn't finished the gym story yet, but I agree that his
name would not be on it. Thanks for pointing that out. I have a few things
to change in it now, thanks to the people who pointed out mistakes <sigh of
relief that I won't look really dumb on the archive>
>
>All in all, cute short story.  I admit, I used to dream up L&C "gym" fanfic
>when I'd be running on the treadmill, too.  Of course, I usually liked to
>imagine Clark in the gym instead of Lois.  Man, wish there were guys who
>look like that at my gym; I'd go a lot more often. <vbg>

Wouldn't we all <g> I'm not sure where that story came from. It was one of
those strange phenomenons that I didn't have to think a whole lot about. A
rarity in my world, unfortunately.

>Thanks for posting it, Rachel.

Thanks for reading it and bothering to comment on it :)

Rachel

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Date:         Mon, 17 May 1999 20:25:20 -0700
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to thank all who responded to my plea for a
reader.
I've sent it out to a few people and have decided to continue working on it.
I
have no idea when it will be finished, but I will be posting it as soon as
it
is.
    Kris (blujac8@monmouth.com)

--
"Mulder, I feel you close.Though I know you are now
pursuing your own path. For that I am grateful.
More than I can ever express. I need to know that
you're out there if I am ever to see through this."
    -The X-Files "Memento Mori"
Scully's Last Journal Entry
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>From: Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>

Hey, Kath. Thanks a bunch for your kind comments.

>      "I got an 'earlier' flight so I took it. I stopped by the Planet
>and they told me where you'd gone, so I thought I'd come here," Clark said.
>"Oh, I read the article. Very nice."
>      "Thank you," Lois said, then stopped. "Wait a minute. The edition
>isn't out yet. That means you read...They let you proof my copy didn't
>they?" she scowled.
>      "Hey, my name's on that thing too," Clark said with a smile. He
>knew she wasn't upset.
>
><<<<<<<
>
>Is this refering to her gym story?  Why would Clark's name be on the gym
>story?
>
Oops, I had taken a sentence out of the story at the suggestion of my editor
and forgot to qualify the story. Actually, it's not referring to the gym
story, but to the sewage one that they had been working on earlier. You're
right that Clark's name wouldn't be on the gym story. Thanks for pointing
that out. There are a few things that I have to change thanks to the people
who pointed out my errors <sigh of relief that I've been prevented from
making an idiot out of myself forever>

>All in all, cute short story.  I admit, I used to dream up L&C "gym" fanfic
>when I'd be running on the treadmill, too.  Of course, I usually liked to
>imagine Clark in the gym instead of Lois.  Man, wish there were guys who
>look like that at my gym; I'd go a lot more often. <vbg>

Wouldn't we all <g> I'm not sure where this story came from. It was just one
of those stories that sort of wrote itself, which is a rarity in my little
world, I'm afraid.

>Thanks for posting it, Rachel.

Thanks for reading it and bothering to comment on it.

Rachel

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Teri.. what do you mean by what?
Please explain so I can help you!

Alexis ;-.)
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In a message dated 5/17/99 8:15:07 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK writes:

<< f any details of how Krypton was governed -- or if it
 has, I missed it. I get the impression that just about everyone on
 Krypton by the time of Jor-El was an "aristocrat", at least in terms of
 the resources that they could command; in fact, it reminds me of

 nothing so much as Issac Asimov's world of Solaria (from the
 Baley/Olivaw mysteries) -- a world of anti-social individuals who shun
 emotion and personal contact, and control their environment through
 robots and holograms.
  >>
Nice to know the old, great Asimov stuff is still influencing writers in all
genres.

Charlotte - An Asimov fan from way back - My favorite the time travel one
called The End of Eternity (I was 16 at the time I read this one so you can
see where I was coming from).  Oh and the foundation series and the
mysteries.. and the robots stores and... oh enough already.
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At 9:33 AM +0100 5/17/99, Wendy Richards wrote:

>Alyssa, you are forgiven! I got back from my conference on Sunday and
>promptly connected to the S6 website and read Sheila's story
>(Fantastic!! More! More! - do we really have to wait four weeks for
>part 2?????)

No, Wendy, you certainly don't have to wait 4 weeks for Part 2 ... Sheila's
episodes will be released every 2 weeks.  In fact, part 2, "Walk In My
Shoes" is coming up this Sunday. :)

>From the "Upcoming Episodes" link on the S6 website:

        Episode Title                   Air Date
9.       Walk In My Shoes (2 of 3)      May 23
10.      Mirror, Mirror (3 of 3)        June 6
11.      Movers and Shakers             June 20
12.      Stronger Than Me Alone         July 4

Enjoy!

Kathy (promo ... that reminds me, Sheila, we need a promo <g>)

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Date:         Tue, 18 May 1999 20:18:23 +0100
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For anyone who's interested, I did a quick tally of replies to my question,
and the result is that almost exactly half of you are firmly out of the
closet, and the rest are either completely in the closet, or at most tell
only their closest friends and family.

(To remind you, I asked who amongst L&C fanfic writers tells anyone and
everyone that they write fanfic, and who keeps this particular hobby
private to Folcdom - ie they are 'closet fanfic writers'.)

I'm very glad that some of us feel able to share our hobby with the world,
as I think it's great fun and just as valid a hobby as any other.  Perhaps
those who don't share this view just haven't found their particular niche
in fanfic yet ;)

Yvonne
(yconnell@ukf.net)
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I wasn't on the list yet when this thread was originally discussed, but I
have a question:

Several fanfics mention Lois's liking cream soda.  Was that in an episode?
which one?

-Diyan Smith mailto:zimri@hotmail.com
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In a message dated 05/18/1999 9:44:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
zimri@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Several fanfics mention Lois's liking cream soda.  Was that in an
episode?
 which one? >>

Yup. when she had amnesia and sneaked out of the "hospital" to visit Clark.

--Laurie
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> I wasn't on the list yet when this thread was originally discussed, but I
> have a question:
>
> Several fanfics mention Lois's liking cream soda.  Was that in an episode?
> which one?

In one of the episodes in the argh (the name escapes me at the moment,
because I don't particularly like those eps) when Lois comes over to Clark's
after sneaking out of that place where Deter was, Clark tells her there is
creme soda in the fridge and they ellude to the fact that it's her favorite
;)

Mandy :)
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In a message dated 5/18/99 8:44:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
zimri@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Several fanfics mention Lois's liking cream soda.  Was that in an
episode?
 which one? >>

Forget Me Not <g> Clark even keeps some in his fridge for her ;) Also
earlier
in Virtually Destroyed, she orders cream soda with her humongous virtual
meal.

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 08:18 PM 5/18/1999 +0100, Yvonne wrote:
>Perhaps
>those who don't share this view just haven't found their particular niche
>in fanfic yet ;)

I haven't found my niche?  Sheesh, you'd think I would after all this
time<g>

Margaret

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Since copyright issues frequently arise on this list, I thought some of you
might be interested in this mail I received from another listserv.
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Dear listserv subscribers,

I'd like to pass along some information / guidelines for using this list,
plus
some useful materials that may be useful to environmental educators
generally.
Note that the Sierra Club has had specific complaints from New York Times
about use of
their copyrighted articles on our lists, so we must be careful to avoid
violations
that could cost us the use of this medium of communication.

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From: Dave Simon <dave.simon@sfsierra.sierraclub.org>
To: OE-IT-FORUM@LISTS.SIERRACLUB.ORG
       ITCom topics discussion
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: E-mail posting of newspaper articles -- COPYRIGHT issues

The [Sierra Club] Copyright Policy follows.
Please note that posting newspaper articles to lists is not allowed.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Dave

COPYRIGHT POLICY

Before one may post copyrighted material to a Sierra Club
email list or web page, one must obtain written permission
>from the owner of the copyright.  This applies to newspaper
articles, artwork, photographs and any other copyrighted
material.  Otherwise, one may not reproduce the material
except under the circumstance of what is called "fair use".

"The 'fair use' exemption to copyright law was created to
allow things such as commentary, parody, news reporting,
research and education about copyrighted works without
the permission of the author... [snip]...  Fair use is almost
always a short excerpt and almost always attributed with
the use of quotes... [snip] ... The copying of an entire article
is not allowed."
-- From 10 Big Myths about copyright explained, by Brad Templeton
<http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html>

Note the last quoted sentence which is very important:
"The copying of an entire article is not allowed."

_______  END OF SIERRA CLUB MESSAGE   _______

Ed responds:

Below are some web resources to guide you in seeking
permission to use copyrighted material. Due to the hassles
and delays involved in getting permission to post copyrighted
material to the listservs it will be better to include a link to
the article with only a brief summary.

The need to adhere to copyright law is important to
all of us and will likely require listowners to let their
subscribers know that copyright law forbids the
posting of entire news articles, etc.

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COPYRIGHT BASICS -- Library of Congress
<http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html>

FAQ Copyright Office Public Information
<http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html>

 How much of someone else's work can I use without getting permission?
<http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html#q47>
Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is
permissible
to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as
commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no
legal rules permitting the use of specific number of words counts, a
certain
number of musical notes, or percentages of a work. Whether a particular
use
qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances.
See Circular 21 <http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ21.pdf>
 or FL 102 <http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/fls/fl102.htm>

How do I get permission to use somebody else's work?
<http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html#q59>
       You can ask for it. If you know who the copyright owner is, you may
contact the owner directly. If you are not certain about the ownership or
have other related questions, you may wish to request that the Copyright
Office conduct a search of its records for a fee of $20 per hour.
Additional information can be obtained from Circular 22
<http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ22.pdf>.

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Rights of Attribution and Integrity in Online Communications
<http://www.law.cornell.edu/jol/lemley.html>

How to Request Copyright Permission from Publishers
<http://www.publishers.org/home/abouta/highered/howtopg.htm>

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Forms, Letters and Other Resources
<http://www.law.wfu.edu/library/copyright/>
To facilitate the process of getting permissions from the
copyright holder, some institutions and organizations have
developed standard forms, request letters, and other useful
resources which can be found on the Net. Links to these
websites are provided as follows:

How to Request Copyright Permission from Publishers
(From Association of American Publishers)
<http://www.publishers.org/home/abouta/highered/howtopg.htm>

Standard Permission Request Form
(From Association of American Publishers)
<http://www.publishers.org/home/abouta/highered/request.htm>

Copyright Clearance Center
<http://www.copyright.com/Services/Default.html>

Authors Registry
<http://www.authorsregistry.com/>

Publication Rights Clearinghouse
<http://www.nwu.org//prc/prchome.htm>

WATCH: Writers, Artists, and Their Copyright Holders
(From University of Texas at Austin)
<http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/HRC/WATCH/>

American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers
<http://www.ascap.com/resource/resource-3.html>

Music Publishers' Association
<http://www.mpa.org/copyright/forms.html>

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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 15:15:47 +0100
Reply-To:     "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic"
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From:         Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: S6 Deprivation
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> No, Wendy, you certainly don't have to wait 4 weeks for Part 2 ...
Sheila's
> episodes will be released every 2 weeks.  In fact, part 2, "Walk In My
> Shoes" is coming up this Sunday. :)

Excellent news! Just what I need to shake off my current bout of
writer's block - another new episode from the Queen of Fanfic!

Roll on Sunday!

Wendy

----------------------
Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 11:30:01 -0400
Reply-To:     "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic"
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Sender:       "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic"
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From:         Sarah Wood <SarahWood@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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>> I thought some of you might be interested in this mail I received from=

another listserv. <<

Did you get written permission from the original poster (Harold Wood, who=

presumably got permission from Dave Simon to repost *his* post?) to repos=
t
it here? <bg>

Speaking of which... To the Folcs who produce Season 6, do I have
permission to repost the episode promos to the CompuServe SF/Fantasy Medi=
a
Forum L&C section for the Folcs there? And do I have permission to repost=

the announcements about the IRC writing sessions, or should I paraphrase?=

On CompuServe we have to keep an eye out for copyright violations, but I'=
m
sad to see that apparently we must also be careful here on the list. I
certainly don't want the listowner getting sued.

I guess I felt that this list was an electronic "conversation", where one=

doesn't have to watch what one says. <sigh> Real Life rears its ugly head=

again.

Sarah Wood
sarahwood@compuserve.com
The Shrine O' Fanfic and Episode Transcripts at:
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/2501/
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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 15:47:45 -0500
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
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PROMO:  Season 6, Episode 9, "Walk in My Shoes"

Airing Sunday, May 23, 1999

____________

ANNOUNCER:  When a frightened scientist uses his soul-switcher on Lois and
Clark, they get a crash course in life from the other's point of view ...

____________

Clark puts his foot through a second pair of nylons and stands up and throws
the cobwebby fabric into the trash.

Clark:  "That's it.  No dresses, no pantyhose, and *no* heels."

____________

Clark:  "Guys don't sit that way.  It makes me--you--look like a girl."

Lois, rolling her eyes:  "Is this okay?  Or do I need to cross my ankle over
my knee and scratch myself?"

____________

Clark bolts out of the ladies' room and hurries down the ramp to the pit.
Lois is waiting for him so they can go to the staff meeting.

Lois:  "You're blushing."

Clark, his cheeks burning redder:  "Don't ask."

____________

Lois gets up to get a cup of coffee, and Jimmy, who is passing by the coffee
pot, stops.

Jimmy:  "C.K., could I ask your advice about . . . women?"

Lois, hesitating:  "Sure, Jimmy.  What d'you want to know?"

____________

ANNOUNCER:   ... But Lois needs to learn how to be Superman in a hurry....

____________

Clark:  "Anyway, see if you can still smell it, and check on whether they
had the oil examined like I asked.  You may have to run a sample over to
STAR Labs."

Lois:  "Smell it?  Cl--honey, just because I have a--"  <lowering her voice>
"super nose doesn't mean I can recognize different chemicals by smell!"
<biting her lip>  "I can't do this."

____________

ANNOUNCER:  Meanwhile, the only man who can return Lois and Clark to normal
has gone into hiding....

____________

Nick:  "What am I going to do?"

Alex:  "Lay low for now.  We may have to make a false trail so it looks like
you left town after your car was fixed."

____________

ANNOUNCER:  ... And they need to find him before Lex does ...

____________

Lex:  "Ms. Barrows, I do not want Dr. Trifyllis hurt in any way.  He has
several important objects in his possession, and I want to be certain we
have recovered all of them before any harm comes to him.  Do you
understand?"

____________

ANNOUNCER: ... Or the consequences could be catastrophic.

____________

Clark:  "God, if he'd been killed--"

Lois:  "--we might be stuck like this.  Forever."

____________

ANNOUNCER:  This Sunday, join S6 for ...

"Walk in My Shoes" by Sheila Harper

Coming May 23 to a monitor near you!

<http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ >

____________

Clark:  "You know, honey, when I said I loved your body, this wasn't exactly
what I had in mind."

____________
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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 15:50:17 -0500
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
Subject:      Posting S6 PROMOs (wasRe: OT--Fwd: Copyright...)
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At 11:30 AM -0400 5/19/99, Sarah Wood wrote:

>Speaking of which... To the Folcs who produce Season 6, do I have
>permission to repost the episode promos to the CompuServe SF/Fantasy Media
>Forum L&C section for the Folcs there?

You certainly do.  In fact, I wish I had asked you to post them all along.
:)

Kathy

______________________
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KathyB on IRC
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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 17:46:42 EDT
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From:         "K.M. de Castro" <ChoirGirl2@AOL.COM>
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This is gonna be hilarious. I can't wait!

Marie
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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 17:51:14 EDT
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              <LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
From:         "K.M. de Castro" <ChoirGirl2@AOL.COM>
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Phil wrote:
<< Later, Marie wrote:
 >> [...] And you have Wendy, Margaret, Phil, Elizabeth and James as
 Tempus Techs (Boo HISS!) to help you out. Get going, girlfriend! <<

 Hey, leave us out of this! All we "did" was work out a way for Tempus
 to get out of the nuthouse. It's fairly obvious that he _did_ (either
 that, or TA and his subsequent appearances must feature an alternate
 Tempus (but let's not start _that_ again -- except... maybe the older
 Wells of TA and MJD/L&Cs is an alternate, too? Or not.... <g>), but
 don't put us down as being on his side! >>

Awwww Phil! But I was having so much fun reading how you all "witnessed" how
he did it! I figured with such an expert account given by Sandy, that she
and
the rest of you must have tuned in to an ep I missed.

Marie
BTW, for James, the "Boo Hiss" was directed at myself for the baaaaad pun.
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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 17:15:02 -0500
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From:         Hazel <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL>
Subject:      Re: PROMO> S6, Episode 9, "Walk In My Shoes"
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Kathy, your promos are always fun, but this line...

>Clark:  "You know, honey, when I said I loved your body, this wasn't
exactly
>what I had in mind."

Talk about LOL!  ;D

Thanks for making my night!

Hazel
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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 17:41:29 EST
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From:         Samantha Kegan <sam_kegan@HOTMAIL.COM>
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----Original Message Follows----

Kathy, your promos are always fun, but this line...

 >Clark:  "You know, honey, when I said I loved your body, this wasn't
exactly
 >what I had in mind."

Talk about LOL!  ;D

Thanks for making my night!

Hazel
---------------------------------------

I must say, mine too.  For a second I forgot that I have to play a concert
tonight!

I've always loved tag lines, but this one, this one is one of the best I've
seen in a long time.
<g>

Sam Marie Kegan

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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 17:37:07 -0500
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From:         Mandy Crustner <mandyc@LCC.NET>
Subject:      Lana Lang
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In my next story, I'm going to be including Lana Lang.  Now from the series,
we didn't learn a lot about her, just that she and (our) Clark had dated and
that she and the Alt Clark were getting married.  So, what I'm asking is,
what should I know about Lana and Clark's pasts?  Was this gone into a lot
of detail in the comics?  Since I've just started reading them, I've missed
out on a lot, I'm sure.  So, to all of you avid comic readers, could you
help me out? :)

Thanks so much in advance :)

Mandy Crustner :)
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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 19:49:32 -0400
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Sender:       "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic"
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From:         Sarah Wood <SarahWood@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Posting S6 PROMOs (wasRe: OT--Fwd: Copyright...)
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>> You certainly do.  In fact, I wish I had asked you to post them all
along. :) <<

Not to worry. Pam's been posting them all along, but now that she's got h=
er
hands a little fuller with her M&Ms... =

Sarah Wood
sarahwood@compuserve.com
The Shrine O' Fanfic & Episode Transcripts at:
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/2501/
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Date:         Wed, 19 May 1999 22:08:11 -0500
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
Subject:      Re: PROMO> S6, Episode 9, "Walk In My Shoes"
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At 5:15 PM -0500 5/19/99, Hazel wrote:
>Kathy, your promos are always fun, but this line...
>
>>Clark:  "You know, honey, when I said I loved your body, this wasn't
exactly
>>what I had in mind."
>
>Talk about LOL!  ;D

I agree it was hysterical, but in this case (and in the case of last week's
episode as well), Sheila gets all the credit. :)   I do most of the promos,
but she has done her own for this series.  I love them, too!

Kathy :)

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kathyb@springnet1.com
KathyB on IRC
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 09:41:15 -0400
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From:         Phillip Atcliffe <Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Lana Lang
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 17:37:07 -0500 Mandy Crustner <mandyc@LCC.NET>
wrote:

> In my next story, I'm going to be including Lana Lang. Now from the
series, we didn't learn a lot about her, just that she and (our) Clark
had dated and that she and the Alt Clark were getting married. So, what
I'm asking is, what should I know about Lana and Clark's pasts? Was
this gone into a lot of detail in the comics? Since I've just started
reading them, I've missed out on a lot, I'm sure. So, to all of you
avid comic readers, could you help me out? :) <

To be honest, Mandy, I wouldn't worry about it. Clark and Lana's
relationship has changed so much over the years that you can do pretty
much whatever you like, and who's to say that you're wrong? L&C doesn't
slavishly follow the comics (thank Rao) of any era -- I mean, L&C's
Lana is blonde, whereas the character's always been a red-head in the
comics -- so why should you?

But, to answer your question, Lana has always been Clark's "girl next
door", and the closest thing that he had to a girlfriend while he was
growing up. I'll stick (initially) to the modern (post-Crisis)
continuity here, since that's what you're most familiar with, and also
since that's what L&C is predominantly based on.

The modern Lana is an orphan (I think) and lived with her Aunt Helen
in or near Smallville. Other people may know if they lived on a farm or
not; my impression was that they did, but I could be wrong. She and
Clark met when they started school together. Lana really liked Clark,
proclaiming that he was her boyfriend (this is at the age of 6 or
thereabouts <g>); Clark was less sure of this -- at first -- but they
did become close as they grew up.

By the time both of them were about to graduate from high school, they
were pretty much a couple, although Lana may have seen more in the
relationship than Clark did. Certainly, she was his closest friend and
confidant, so that when Clark finally learned something of his origins
and decided that he needed to use his powers to help people, Lana was
the person he told of his decision before setting off on the comics
version of his world travels.

He told her, and _showed_ her, what he could do, including flying,
before leaving Smallville, and he didn't see her again for about 10
years, some time after he'd become Superman. She saw him, though -- but
I don't think I want to get into the whole Manhunter business, so
suffice it to say that she followed him as best she could, only
returning to Smallville a short time before they met up again.

Clark's revelation rather gutted Lana emotionally. When he turned up
that night, she was more than half-expecting him to propose; instead,
he talked about how one man could change the world, showed her amazing
things... then kissed her chastely on the forehead and flew away. It
took her a long time to get over a feeling of having been shown the
world and then having had it snatched away from her.

Once she did, and once they managed to rebuild a relationship as
friends, Lana continued to be an important part of Clark's life --
with all the joys and dangers attached. She may have continued to
wonder about the prospects for a romance, but eventually realised that
it wasn't going to happen -- not with Lois there -- so she looked
elsewhere, and found another old friend, Pete Ross. They married and,
AFAIK (I don't follow the comics that much -- I prefer L&C) are still
together.

The "original" Lana (pre-Crisis) was created as a Lois-like character
for Super_boy_, and had a much more complex history involving
super-powers, an on-and-off romance with the Boy of Steel, attempts to
expose Clark, an archaeologist father who was always finding mysterious
stuff, etc., etc. -- and that was just as a teenager! When she grew up,
she became a TV news presenter and, for a long time, was engaged in a
running battle with Lois to secure Superman's affections (he either
wasn't interested or couldn't decide between the two of them, and
rather seemed to enjoy having both of them on a string, as it were).
Later, she had relationships with one or two other men, including
another world's super-hero.

The big difference between the two versions of Lana (if the pre-Crisis
version can be said to be the same person all the time; as with so many
things that last that long, there's been a lot of twists and turns over
the years as different writers interpret her in their own ways) is
really in their characters: pre-Crisis, Lana was more like the woman we
saw in TA -- perhaps in reaction to a checkered emotional history, she
has been described (as an adult) as having "the emotional sensitivity
of a brick." In this way, she is both like and unlike the early Lois
that we saw on the show: like, in that she disdained that sort of
thing and put up a good front; and unlike, in that, inside the
shell, there never seemed to be the caring heart that we and Clark
always knew was there with Lois. I always felt that this Lana was just
a little bit spoilt and selfish.

The modern Lana, by contrast, does care, and is very loyal, having
withstood torture and worse for Clark's (and the Kents') sake. However,
when all's said and done, she comes across as an ordinary girl, and now
woman, thrown in the deep end into extra-ordinary happenings, and
struggling to keep her head above water. She doesn't have the
original's hard shell, and is much nicer for it, but she also is the
closest thing the modern Superman has to the traditional help-save-me
heroine. She could have been an excellent wife for a normal, human
Clark Kent, but she's probably happier with Pete than she ever could
have been with the real Clark. And he's happier with Lois.

So there you have it. Choose whatever aspects of the character you
prefer, or make your own. Either way, have fun.

Phil, looking forward to reading the story.
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"We gotta get out into Space / If it's the last thing we ever do!"
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A sentiment echoed by Phil Atcliffe (Phillip.Atcliffe@uwe.ac.uk)
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From:         Celia Carvalho <carvalho@LEXMARK.COM>
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Dear all,

I've finally purchased this fab movie! It was especially precious for me,
since
I had never seen Dean acting anything else apart from Superman.

Just everyone who might be interested (although I think I definitely must
have
been the one in these lists who hadn't seen this movie yet!), I got the tape
from:

HMV Direct
150 Oxford Street
London W1N 0DJ
England
Email: musichouse@hmv.co.uk
Tel: 00 44 990 334 578
Fax: 00 44 171 467 1103
Price: 13.99 pounds (if my memory serves me right, without pp expenses)

As I live in Portugal, I had to order it from here, since I cannot find any
of
Dean's movies around here (or HMV stores, for that matter). I'm afraid to
say
that HMV doesn't have Tracked or Futuresport. I really don't know *how* will
I
get these...

As for spoilers... I'm glad nobody ever gave too much away about this movie.
I
also tried to avoid the reviews and everything related to it, so I could be
surprised. It was a *nice* surprise. In many ways. I remember having read
somewhere about a guy asking Dean why did he had to act a role of a man who
was
gay for his first movie. And Dean's answer always came to mind: "I didn't
choose
it because the character was gay, I did because it was a good part." (it was
something more or less like this that he said). Now I know what he meant. It
*was* a good part and he *is* a good actor.

Does anyone have any idea on how to get these movies (PAL format) apart from
HMV? I'd appreciate your comments. I hope the info I supplied is useful to
anyone interested....! This HMV store in particular *does* supply a fine
service.

Bye for now.

Celia
CARVALHO@LEXMARK.COM
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I see other people have been commenting on Clark's 'love your body'
line, but this is the one which made *me* glad I don't share my
office with anyone:

>
> Clark:  "Guys don't sit that way.  It makes me--you--look like a girl."
>
> Lois, rolling her eyes:  "Is this okay?  Or do I need to cross my ankle
over
> my knee and scratch myself?"
>
> ____________

Oh yes. YES!!

Wendy

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Another theory is that Wells went into the future and reported him to Andrus
and friends.  Then Andrus came back and removed Tempus to the correct time.
James

-----Original Message-----
From: K.M. de Castro [mailto:ChoirGirl2@AOL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 4:51 PM
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Phil wrote:
<< Later, Marie wrote:
 >> [...] And you have Wendy, Margaret, Phil, Elizabeth and James as
 Tempus Techs (Boo HISS!) to help you out. Get going, girlfriend! <<

 Hey, leave us out of this! All we "did" was work out a way for Tempus
 to get out of the nuthouse. It's fairly obvious that he _did_ (either
 that, or TA and his subsequent appearances must feature an alternate
 Tempus (but let's not start _that_ again -- except... maybe the older
 Wells of TA and MJD/L&Cs is an alternate, too? Or not.... <g>), but
 don't put us down as being on his side! >>

Awwww Phil! But I was having so much fun reading how you all "witnessed" how
he did it! I figured with such an expert account given by Sandy, that she
and
the rest of you must have tuned in to an ep I missed.

Marie
BTW, for James, the "Boo Hiss" was directed at myself for the baaaaad pun.
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I recieved this e-mail today. This is horribly off topic, but I figured
this is important enough to pass on, so...

>Subject: Telephone scam
>
>This is a warning I recently received.
>
>I received a telephone call today (at home) from an individual identifying
>himself as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a test on our
>telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test I should touch nine
>(9),zero (0), the pound sign (#) and then hang up. I was suspicious and
>refused.Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that by
pushing
>90#, you give the requesting individual full access to your telephone line,
>which allows them to place long distance telephone calls billed to your
home
>phone number. I was further informed that this scam has been originating
from
>many of the local jails/prisons. I have also verified this information with
>Southern Bell, MCI and GTE. Please beware. DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The
>GTE
>Security Department requested that I share this information with others.
>PLEASE
>pass this on to everyone you know. If you have mailing lists and/or
>newsletters
>>from organizations you are connected with, I encourage you to pass on this
>information to them, too.
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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/en/story.html?s=v/nm/19990520/en/film-dish_9.html

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Please do not respond to this post. If I see anything like this from
anyone, I will ban you from the list. Thanks guys. Farah

> I recieved this e-mail today. This is horribly off topic, but I figured
> this is important enough to pass on, so...
>
> >Subject: Telephone scam
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Being a Brit, and thus ignorant of the US legal system, I need someone to
tell me what a DA does.  What I could do with is some day-to-day activities
which a DA might undertake.  Any offers?

Also, does anyone know what Ralph's surname is, and do we know any more
about him other than he has a mother who rings him at work?

Thanks,
Yvonne
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Yvonne,

>From what I can work out, I think the role of the DA is equivalent
to the Crown Prosecution Service over here - that explain anything?

> Being a Brit, and thus ignorant of the US legal system, I need someone to
> tell me what a DA does.  What I could do with is some day-to-day
activities
> which a DA might undertake.  Any offers?

Wendy
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At 8:00 AM -0700 5/20/99, Linda Mason wrote:
>
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/en/story.html?s=v/nm/19990520/en/film-dish
>_9.html

Here's the text to save you the trouble of looking it up yourselves. :)

Kathy

Dean Cain suits up for TV movies
By Michael Fleming

CAIN can do on new projects ... GENE HACKMAN returns to coaching ...
``Hannibal'' durable despite DEMME departure ... CAMRYN MANHEIM orbits
``Planet'' ... ROSE MCGOWAN finds ``Bone'' to pick ... WEBB intrigue ...
NICK NOLTE ``Jazz'' up for grabs

NEW YORK (Variety) - After hanging up his cape two seasons ago following a
four-season run in ``Lois & Clark,'' Dean Cain is ready to resurface -- sans
the ``S'' on his chest.

His Angry Dragon Entertainment has made an overall deal at Columbia TriStar
TV, but since Cain's reaction to toplining another series resembles his
former alter ego's allergy to kryptonite, the deal will be primarily for
movies.

Cain will star in them, and he'll follow in the footsteps of his father.
That's not Jor-El, but rather Chris Cain, the veteran director of such films
as ``Young Guns.''

The younger Cain will get his directing start with ``The Burning Man,'' a
bestselling Phillip Margolin novel which Col/TriStar has optioned for a two
hour TV movie. Cain will also write, star in and produce the picture with
Angry Dragon partner Mike Carr. Cain will play an ambitious lawyer who
defends a mentally challenged man who may be a serial killer.

The behind camera roles seem surprising, but Cain said this was his original
career intention until he was sidetracked by his Superman success.

With a television series, he said: ``It's difficult to have any life
whatsoever, let alone have the time to have a company and do it right. I'd
leave the house in the morning, and 18 hours later, I would hit the gym. I
was sleep deprived for four years. That's why, if I was to do another
series, it will have to be something I'm so excited by that I can't stand
it.''

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Celia

You say you couldn't get tracked from HMV.  This may be that in the UK this
film was called Dog Boys - you may want to try again for this title.  I
can't promise that they have got it but they may as it has been shown on
British Television twice to my knowledge.  You definitely won't get
Futuresport though as I went down to HMV and tried just last Saturday -
though they did say that it may be coming in later on in the year but they
couldn't be certain.

I do agree with you though - HMV is a really good store and I have always
found them really helpful both in store and ordering direct.

Hope this helps.

Eileen
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>
>
> Here's the text to save you the trouble of looking it up yourselves.
> :)
>
I think someone missed the point of the previous copyright discussion.

I considered sending this privately, but I think others will benefit.

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In a message dated 5/20/99 5:37:18 AM Central Daylight Time,=20
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< >
 > Clark:  "Guys don't sit that way.  It makes me--you--look like a girl."
 >
 > Lois, rolling her eyes:  "Is this okay?  Or do I need to cross my
ankle=20
over
 > my knee and scratch myself?"
 >
 > ____________
  >>

I knew this kept sounding familiar, and after haunting the fanfic archive,
I=20
realized the story I was thinking of was "nfic".  Yes, believe it or not,=20
we've done round robin nfic <g>

MIRROR IMAGE=20

(an IRC round-robin nfic by ChiefPam, chrispat, CiotolaAM, Dor,
Jenerator,=20
KathyB, peabody, PeaceEv, sharper, and
zoomway -- 12/19/97)=20

Synopsis: In discussing =93I=92ve Got You Under My Skin,=94 we got to
wonder=
ing=20
what Lois and Clark would have done if *they* had been the ones involved
in=20
the body switch. The seemingly limitless--but unusually challenging--nfic=20
possibilities were
irresistible, and we braved hours of gender confusion to bring you this=20
story. We hope you have as much fun reading it as we had writing it.=20

<zoomway>=20

"Honey, no offense, but I feel ... I mean, your body ... can we land some=20
place?"=20

"Sure," Lois said and shifted rather fast, and they lost altitude rapidly
an=
d=20
then suddenly found themselves outside the townhouse. Lois drifted them
in=20
the window awkwardly, and they fell to the floor.=20

Clark rubbed his elbow. "It needs work."=20

Lois straightened the cape. "I never had to come in through a window as=20
Ultrawoman."=20

"Can we sit down?" Clark asked and stumbled a bit in Lois's shoes.=20

"Okay, I know this takes getting used to, Clark."=20

"It's not just that, honey, it's ... I love being close to you, but your=20
body, I feel ... things."=20

Lois raised Clark's eyebrows. "Like?"=20

Clark looked at his 'superman' self seated on the sofa. "Lois, don't sit
lik=
e=20
that."=20

"Like what?"=20

"Men don't tuck a leg under them when they sit down."=20

Lois sighed loudly and untucked her leg. She sat with her back to the
sofa=20
and rested an ankle on her knee. "Better? Or should I spit too?"=20

"I'm not being critical, honey, it's just that --"=20

"Does my blouse gape like that all the time?"=20

"Huh?"=20

"God, no wonder that saleswoman was pushing it with all the compliments."=20

Clark looked down at his chest, or rather at his wife's chest. "That's=20
another thing. I'm embarrassed to cross my arms now!  Everything I like
to=20
touch on you is on me now."=20

*************

I have to cut it off there because it gets...nfic-ish after that <g>
Anyway=
,=20
maybe as a companion piece to the new S6 episode, I can send out the old=20
Mirror Image nfic to whoever is interested, or maybe Joyce can send it
out=20
via the nfic list. Our story is fairly short, and truthfully I might not
eve=
n=20
have found it but for the fact it had been nominated for a Kerth Award and
s=
o=20
had been reposted. For the record though, I don't write "nfic" so much as=20
innuendo. I admire people who can write nfic, but it makes me
too...squidgy=20
<g>

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On Thu, 20 May 1999 14:18:57 EDT The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM> wrote:

> I knew this kept sounding familiar, and after haunting the fanfic archive,
I
> realized the story I was thinking of was "nfic".  Yes, believe it or not,
> we've done round robin nfic <g>
>
> MIRROR IMAGE
>
Yes, a couple of us had commented on private email that the scenario
seemed to be building up to something very similar to this nfic RR
(which, I freely admit, I enjoyed very much!). I assumed that Sheila
would be recycling some of that RR in her next two eps, though since
Mirror Image was a short story and mostly nfic, I'm pleased that
there will obviously be a lot of new material there too.

Three days and counting... ;)

Wendy

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At 11:01 AM -0700 5/20/99, Linda Mason wrote:
>I think someone missed the point of the previous copyright discussion.

And I think "someone" is overreacting. ;)

Linda, we have been posting text exerpts on this list and the main LOISCLA
list since the beginning of FoLCdom.  No one is profiting and no one is
using the info for anything but personal information.  IMO, it's the same
as photo-copying a pages in a book to use as a resource for a term paper in
school -- it's called "fair use", I believe.  I credited the author and
included the URL in my post--this is exactly what my husband's students do
(well, they are supposed to ;)) when they use the internet as a source in
their term papers.   I've "cited" the information properly.

>I considered sending this privately, but I think others will benefit.

Public or private, it doesn't matter to me.  As far as I can see, I have
not broken any rules on this list.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure Farah will
correct me, and I will stand corrected.  And then I'll help her revise the
FAQ. ;)

Kathy

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In a message dated 5/20/99 1:40:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes:

<< Public or private, it doesn't matter to me.  As far as I can see, I have
 not broken any rules on this list.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure Farah will
 correct me, and I will stand corrected.  And then I'll help her revise the
 FAQ. ;) >>

You're correct. In copyright law there is the "fair use" proviso wherein
excerpts of quoted passages and so forth can be used without express written
permission as long as attribution to the source material is given, which you
did. Plus it was an "excerpt" because the whole article is much longer and
includes stories about Nick Nolte, Gene Hackman, etc. As for Farah, she got
accepted into the Navy band in Washington, congrats, Farah! I think during
her two month absence, Sean will be in charge of the list. Last I heard,
anyway ;)

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--- Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM> wrote:
> At 11:01 AM -0700 5/20/99, Linda Mason wrote:
> >I think someone missed the point of the previous copyright
> discussion.
>
> And I think "someone" is overreacting. ;)
>

That would be you. ;)

> Linda, we have been posting text exerpts on this list and the main
> LOISCLA

You didn't post an excerpt, you posted the whole thing, a copyright
violation no matter how you slice it.

> list since the beginning of FoLCdom.  No one is profiting and no one
> is
> using the info for anything but personal information.  IMO, it's the

It is still a copyright violation, by any means in which you prevent
others from viewing the original source, you deny the copyright holder
>from making money from the advertisements.

> same
> as photo-copying a pages in a book to use as a resource for a term
> paper in
> school -- it's called "fair use", I believe.  I credited the author

One (1) copy for personal use is fine, but posting to this list is
320 copies for public (non-educational despite the .edu in the
list address) use.

> and
> included the URL in my post--this is exactly what my husband's
> students do
> (well, they are supposed to ;)) when they use the internet as a
> source in
> their term papers.   I've "cited" the information properly.
>

Giving proper credit doesn't matter concerning copyright violation,
it only matters for plagerism.

>
> >I considered sending this privately, but I think others will
> benefit.
>
> Public or private, it doesn't matter to me.  As far as I can see, I
> have
> not broken any rules on this list.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure Farah will
> correct me, and I will stand corrected.  And then I'll help her
> revise the
> FAQ. ;)
>

I never said you broke the list rules,
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 14:10:52 -0500
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From:         fchisham <fchisham@CS.INDIANA.EDU>
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Okay, this is a dead thread. In my opinion, its okay to post complete
articles as long as you cite them. Besides, we do it all of the time and
we haven't gotten introuble by these magazines and if we did, they may be
killing their profits.

People who read the article may want to buy the magazine/newspaper or
browse their website.

I'll let you guys hash it out on private email. Thanks for listening!
Farah
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 13:37:46 -0600
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Hi FoLCs,

Well, there's a few things I need to add to this.  First, 90# will only give
people access to your line if you work in a business where you need to dial
9 to get an outside line.  Second and more important, this is a urban legend
which is mostly false.  Visit www.snopes.com for more details on this and
other urban legends.  I believe if you run a search using the word
"telephone" (no quotes) you'll get the page dealing with the urban legend in
question.  Hazel, you may want to pass this website on to whoever sent you
the note and everyone else who got it.

Bye,
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 16:47:42 EDT
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Hi Zoomway -

Could you send me a copy of Mirror Image?

Thanks,
Piper
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 17:26:14 -0400
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Hi Folcs,

I've been working on a project to illustrate my transcript of the pilot
episode. Most of the pictures I have are scans of the trading cards, as
well as a few publicity shots and a couple of screen captures. They reall=
y
jazz it up beautifully.

Does anyone with a good copy of the pilot have the time and ability to ma=
ke
some screen captures for me? I don't have any pictures of Dr. Platt or Lu=
cy
Lane, and only one with Dr. Baines in it, and there are some sections tha=
t
have no pictures. A picture of Lois interrupting Clark's interview -- the=
ir
first meeting -- would be great. Cat fondling Clark's tie. Lex and
Antoinette Baines together. Lois ogling Clark's towel-clad body. Lois and=

Lex having dinner together. Lois looking out her window wondering if Mr.
Right could be out there somewhere, while Clark hovers just out of view.
Lois threatening Clark if he ever repeats her confession to anyone else.
Lois and Superman in the Daily Planet after he sets her down.

If anyone can help, please contact me privately. Thanks!

Sarah Wood
sarahwood@compuserve.com
The Shrine O' Fanfic and Episode Transcripts at:
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/2501/
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 22:15:32 +0100
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From:         Yvonne Connell <yconnell@UKF.NET>
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Wendy wrote:
> >From what I can work out, I think the role of the DA is equivalent
> to the Crown Prosecution Service over here - that explain anything?

Thanks.  It's a help, and I could probably invent a few things for my DA to
do from this, but I'd still appreciate hearing from anyone on the US side.

Yvonne
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 17:36:01 EDT
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In a message dated 5/20/99 1:30:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< Yes, a couple of us had commented on private email that the scenario
 seemed to be building up to something very similar to this nfic RR
 (which, I freely admit, I enjoyed very much!). I assumed that Sheila
 would be recycling some of that RR in her next two eps, though since
 Mirror Image was a short story and mostly nfic, I'm pleased that
 there will obviously be a lot of new material there too. >>

That's for sure <g> When CC Malo's most recent story came out, not only did
she have Clark showing Lois around the farm, but their was a calf birth. Why
am I bringing that up, you ask? (please ask ;) We had just finished a round
robin the week before where Clark shows Lois around the farm and there is a
calf born while Lois watches <g>  You won't see this round robin, but it
wasn't canned because of the similarities, but because it was already an
attempt to make a story from more than a year ago work, and it *still*
didn't
work for us :P  There's definitely some round robins out there that won't
ever see the light of day and for good reasons <g>

I think it's fascinating how similar premises as well as almost identical
scenes can pop up in fanfic. In our nfic, it was the Zelig stone that caused
the "spirit transfer" in the S6 episode it's someone's invention, and our
story being nfic, it was definitely to explore the sexual situation caused
by
the transfer. It's also very short, about 33 K. I think it's an irresistible
theme and I know it's been in other fanfic too (X-Files for example) There's
just something that's fun about it <g>

Zoomway@aol.com ("Until you walk a mile in another man's moccasins you can't
imagine the smell.")
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 18:01:01 EDT
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Not being a lawyer, I'm sure I don't have the details down, but here is a
brief attempt to answer the question, "What does a DA do?"

DA stands for district attorney.  It is the title for the prosecuting
attorney in a US city.
In many cities, the DA is an elected position, although assistant DA's (what
Mayson Drake was) are hired by the DA.  Thus it can be a political
situation.
 The DA or assistant DA is the one who prepares the prosecution's case when
a
criminal is brought to trial, sorting and evaluating the evidence gathered
by
the police.   I believe that sometimes they also have investigators in their
offices to look for other evidence.  They decide whom to call as witnesses,
what information to bring up (within the rules of course) in court, and must
share their evidence with the defense.  I don't think that the defense has
to
share information with the prosecution though.

 DAs are usually in county or district courts which are part of the state
court system in every state.  So procedures could vary from state to state.
There are also "State's Attorneys" or Commonwealth's Attorneys in the state
court systems.  The federal system has its own prosecuting attorneys.

Hope this helps.  I'm sure there is more to it.

Ann
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 17:53:15 -0500
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At 05:36 PM 5/20/99 EDT, The Zoomway wrote:
>I think it's fascinating how similar premises as well as almost identical
>scenes can pop up in fanfic. In our nfic, it was the Zelig stone that
caused
>the "spirit transfer" in the S6 episode it's someone's invention, and our
>story being nfic, it was definitely to explore the sexual situation caused
by
>the transfer. It's also very short, about 33 K. I think it's an
irresistible
>theme and I know it's been in other fanfic too (X-Files for example)
There's
>just something that's fun about it <g>

Actually, Zoom, there was *nothing* coincidental about the similarity in
premise.  When we wrote "Mirror Image" two years ago, it was after you and I
had been discussing IGYUMS on IRC and I mentioned that I had a story premise
that I wanted to write someday:  about L&C switching bodies as Clark and
Woody did.  As I recall, either that same night or the following one, the
nfic writers were looking for a premise, and I suggested that one since I
knew it'd be a couple of years before I could get to it.  Everyone seemed to
like the idea okay; I started off; you followed, and the rest is "Mirror
Image."

My use of the Zelig stone in Dr. Trifyllis's device was a deliberate nod to
Tim and you (he used it first, but you taught me in "Mirror Image" what it
was called).  Re our earlier thread on outside influences, the whole idea
originally had its roots in the last classic Trek ep, "Turnabout Intruder,"
when that woman switched bodies with Kirk.  The title of the first ep ("Turn
Around") reflects that, while the title of the last ep ("Mirror, Mirror") is
a nod to "Mirror Image."  However, the similar scenes happened by accident;
I was looking for a physical action that would illustrate how men and women
do the same thing . . . differently :) and sitting came immediately to mind.

>Zoomway@aol.com ("Until you walk a mile in another man's moccasins you
can't
>imagine the smell.")

Exactly!  <g> And LOL!  That saying is where the title of the second ep came
from.

Sheila Harper
sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 19:01:29 EDT
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Though I'm not one myself, I'm in a family of attorneys.  Ann's description
is pretty good.  The DAs also gather evidence (investigate) crimes and
present it to the Grand Jury.  The GJ can then decides whether to indicte
anyone for the crime(s).  Then the DA's office does the prosecuting in
court.
 The DA is generally elected, though there is a large staff of assistants,
not elected.  I could ask my hubby and get more detail, if you need, Yvonne.
      Laurie
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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 19:27:02 EDT
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In a message dated 5/20/99 5:53:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<< When we wrote "Mirror Image" two years ago, it was after you and I
 had been discussing IGYUMS on IRC and I mentioned that I had a story
premise
 that I wanted to write someday:  about L&C switching bodies as Clark and
 Woody did.  As I recall, either that same night or the following one, the
 nfic writers were looking for a premise, and I suggested that one since I
 knew it'd be a couple of years before I could get to it. >>

Well, according to the notes, we wrote it six months after ABC aired the
final episode of the series if that helps you remember which night we wrote
it.  It doesn't help me because I couldn't even remember the title <g> If it
hadn't been a Kerth nominee, I'd never have found it.

>>Re our earlier thread on outside influences, the whole idea
originally had its roots in the last classic Trek ep, "Turnabout Intruder,"
when that woman switched bodies with Kirk. <<

Yes, I remember that one very well. Spock believed what the woman claiming
to
be Captain Kirk was saying because Spock did the mind meld thing ;)  In
fact,
I'm sure that's what influenced Tim. When he sent a message to me about a
month before Lois and Clark's 4th season premier, he told me about his
premise for Brutal Youth, and I said "The Deadly Years" (another Star Trek
episode) and he said "exactly"<g> He seems to be quite a fan of the original
series.

>>However, the similar scenes happened by accident;
I was looking for a physical action that would illustrate how men and women
do the same thing . . . differently :) and sitting came immediately to
mind.<<<

Strangely enough, for my part, it was influenced by an episode of Mork &
MIndy! <g> They were doing a role reversal bit (the therapy technique, not
spirit swapping) and Robin Williams trotted to the sofa and immediately sat
down by tucking one leg under him. It's something you almost never see a man
do, so it was a great visual gag that I remember to this day.  I think we
live by that quote from L&C, "There are no new stories, Lois, just new
angles" ;)

>>>>Zoomway@aol.com ("Until you walk a mile in another man's moccasins you
can't
>imagine the smell.")

Exactly!  <g> And LOL!  That saying is where the title of the second ep came
from.<<<

Zoomway@aol.com ("Walk a mile in another man's shoes. That way you'll be a
mile away and still have  his shoes" ;)
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I saw a movie about a Jeannie and this guy a few years ago on HBO and Dean
Cain was in it, he was volley ball player #2.  Does anyone know the name of
the movie?
Jeni

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Date:         Thu, 20 May 1999 18:44:04 -0600
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At 04:52 PM 05/20/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>I saw a movie about a Jeannie and this guy a few years ago on HBO and Dean
>Cain was in it, he was volley ball player #2.  Does anyone know the name of
>the movie?
>Jeni

Miracle Whip... no, Miracle Beach :)

Debby
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Sheila Harper wrote:
> My use of the Zelig stone in Dr. Trifyllis's device was a deliberate nod
to
> Tim and you (he used it first, but you taught me in "Mirror Image" what it
> was called).

What do you mean, what it was called?  Are you saying there's an actual
stone, like the Hope Diamond, called the Zelig stone?  I thought it was
a bow to the 1983 Woody Allen film, "Zelig," since in it the character
is able to fit in anywhere, sort of be anyone.  I haven't seen the Woody
Samms episode since it aired (can't even remember what it's called), but
I did recognize the premise here and also remembered the similarity to
an nfic from a while back.  Thank God!  I thought, for a moment, I was
slipping into early senility.

********
On another topic....  In a bow to the banned copyright debate, I post
the following article from the Washington Post for all you grammarians.
This is definitely "OT" by the way.

********
The Pluperfect Virus
By Bob Hirschfeld

>>From the Washington Post, Sunday, May 2, 1999; Page B05

A new computer virus is spreading throughout the Internet, and it is far
more insidious than last week's  Chernobyl menace. Named Strunkenwhite
after the authors of a classic guide to good writing, it returns e-mail
messages that have grammatical or spelling errors. It is deadly accurate
in its detection abilities, unlike the dubious spell checkers that come
with word processing programs.

The virus is causing something akin to panic throughout corporate
America, which has become used to the typos, misspellings, missing words
and mangled syntax so acceptable in cyberspace. The CEO of
LoseItAll.com, an Internet startup, said the virus has rendered him
helpless. "Each time I tried to send one particular e-mail this morning,
I got back this error message: 'Your dependent clause preceding your
independent clause must be set off by commas, but one must not precede
the conjunction.' I threw my laptop across the room."

A top executive at a telecommunications and long-distance company,
10-10-10-10-10-10-123, said: "This morning, the same damned e-mail kept
coming back to me with a pesky notation claiming I needed to use a
pronoun's possessive case before a gerund. With the number of e-mails I
crank out each day, who has time for proper grammar? Whoever created
this virus should have their programming fingers broken."

A broker at Begg, Barow and Steel said he couldn't return to the "bad,
old" days when he had to send paper memos in proper English. He
speculated that the hacker who created Strunkenwhite was a "disgruntled
English major who couldn't make it on a trading floor. When you're
buying and selling on margin, I don't think it's anybody's business if I
write that 'i meetinged through the morning, then cinched the deal on
the cel phone while bareling down the xway.' "

If Strunkenwhite makes e-mailing impossible, it could mean the end to a
communication revolution once hailed as a significant time-saver. A
study of 1,254 office workers in Leonia, N.J., found that e-mail
increased employees' productivity by 1.8 hours a day because they took
less time to formulate their thoughts. (The same study also found that
they lost 2.2 hours of productivity because they were e-mailing so many
jokes to their spouses, parents and stockbrokers.)

Strunkenwhite is particularly difficult to detect because it doesn't
come as an e-mail attachment (which requires the recipient to open it
before it becomes active). Instead, it is disguised within the text of
an e-mail entitled "Congratulations on your pay raise." The message asks
the recipient to "click here to find out about how your raise effects
your pension." The use of "effects" rather than the grammatically
correct "affects" appears to be an inside joke from Strunkenwhite's
mischievous creator.

The virus also has left government e-mail systems in disarray. Officials
at the Office of Management and Budget can no longer transmit electronic
versions of federal regulations because their highly technical language
seems to run afoul of Strunkenwhite's dictum that "vigorous writing is
concise." The White House speechwriting office reported that it had
received the same message, along with a caution to avoid phrases such as
"the truth is. . ." and "in fact. . . ."

Home computer users also are reporting snafus, although an e-mailer who
used the word "snafu" said she had come to regret it.

The virus can have an even more devastating impact if it infects an
entire network. A cable news operation was forced to shut down its
computer system for several hours when it discovered that Strunkenwhite
had somehow infiltrated its TelePrompTer software, delaying newscasts
and leaving news anchors nearly tongue-tied as they wrestled with proper
sentence structure.

There is concern among law enforcement officials that Strunkenwhite is a
harbinger of the increasingly sophisticated methods hackers are using to
exploit the vulnerability of business's reliance on computers. "This is
one of the most complex and invasive examples of computer code we have
ever encountered. We just can't imagine what kind of devious mind would
want to tamper with e-mails to create this burden on communications,"
said an FBI agent who insisted on speaking via the telephone out of
concern that trying to e-mail his comments could leave him tied up for
hours.

Meanwhile, bookstores and online booksellers reported a surge in orders
for Strunk & White's "The Elements of Style."

Bob Hirschfeld, who enjoys receiving e-mails in plain English, lampoons
the news at his Web site, bobsfridge.com.

************
And, the little I saw of Hirschfeld's site was pretty funny.

Sandy
smcdermin@erols.com
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 >I saw a movie about a Jeannie and this guy a few years ago on HBO and Dean
 >Cain was in it, he was volley ball player #2.  Does anyone know the name
of
 >the movie?
 >Jeni

Miracle Whip... no, Miracle Beach :)

Debby

Thank you *so* much Debby!!!!!!!!!
Jeni

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genevieve mactavish wrote:
>
>  >I saw a movie about a Jeannie and this guy a few years ago on HBO and
Dean
>  >Cain was in it, he was volley ball player #2.  Does anyone know the name
> of
>  >the movie?
>  >Jeni
>
> Miracle Whip... no, Miracle Beach :)
>
> Debby
>
> Thank you *so* much Debby!!!!!!!!!
> Jeni

Yeah, Debby ... Thank you!<g>  Now, what was that about getting shots
and bringing my own water?  We are speaking of *NEW* Mexico, right?

Sandy
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It was Miracle Beach.

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> I saw a movie about a Jeannie and this guy a few years ago on HBO and Dean
> Cain was in it, he was volley ball player #2.  Does anyone know the name
of
> the movie?
> Jeni
>
>
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Thanks!!!!!!
Jeni

From: Eugene Ellison <supergirl28@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
It was Miracle Beach.

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 > I saw a movie about a Jeannie and this guy a few years ago on HBO and
Dean
 > Cain was in it, he was volley ball player #2.  Does anyone know the name
of
 > the movie?
 > Jeni
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In a message dated 99-05-20 20:45:31 EDT, you write:

<< Miracle Whip... no, Miracle Beach :) >>

How about.. Miracle Pair of nice, black, shorts... or Miracle nice.. A#s..
oh
nevermind! ;)

Alexis ;-.)
{listening to the new ricky martin song.. now that guy has some nice pants!
<G>}
  if only Dean could.. oh wait a minute!  How about IGYUMS!!! hehehe
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At 09:21 PM 05/20/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>genevieve mactavish wrote:
>>
>>  >I saw a movie about a Jeannie and this guy a few years ago on HBO and
Dean
>>  >Cain was in it, he was volley ball player #2.  Does anyone know the
name
>> of
>>  >the movie?
>>  >Jeni
>>
>> Miracle Whip... no, Miracle Beach :)
>>
>> Debby
>>
>> Thank you *so* much Debby!!!!!!!!!
>> Jeni
>
>Yeah, Debby ... Thank you!<g>  Now, what was that about getting shots
>and bringing my own water?  We are speaking of *NEW* Mexico, right?
>
>Sandy
>smcdermin@erols.com

Bring sun screen, too ;) or smear Miracle Whip all over your body...

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who doesn't do that...
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In a message dated 5/20/99 7:57:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
smcdermin@EROLS.COM writes:

<< What do you mean, what it was called? >>

In the episode it was called the Zelig stone.

>>I thought it was
a bow to the 1983 Woody Allen film<<<

Oh, that reminds me that in the original script of The Prankster, Lois
brought Clark Woody Allen films instead of Lethal Weapon films, saying she
knew he liked Woody Allen. Apparently the notion didn't go over well <g>
When I read the script I thought it sounded a lot more like two women
watching Annie Hall. Now I'm not saying that Clark wouldn't like Annie Hall,
but if the film came out in 1983, I can't see a 17 year old guy just dying
to
attend <g> Maybe Lana made him go ;) I think sometimes the scripts reflected
the age of the writers rather than the characters. I remember in the pilot
Jonathan asked Clark if he remembered seeing the first moon landing when he
was a kid. Given that Clark would only have been three, we'll just assume
Kryptonians have good comprehension at that age. After all, Clark was a
veteran space traveler as a baby <g>

Zoomway@aol.com (Zelig: Schema-Based Generation of Soft WWW Database
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On Thu, 20 May 1999 17:53:15 -0500 Sheila Harper
<sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US> wrote:

> At 05:36 PM 5/20/99 EDT, The Zoomway wrote:
>> I think it's fascinating how similar premises as well as almost
identical scenes can pop up in fanfic. [snip] <<

> Actually, Zoom, there was *nothing* coincidental about the similarity
in premise. [snip II]

> My use of the Zelig stone in Dr. Trifyllis's device was a deliberate
nod to Tim and you (he used it first, but you taught me in "Mirror
Image" what it was called). Re our earlier thread on outside
influences, the whole idea originally had its roots in the last classic
Trek ep, "Turnabout Intruder," when that woman switched bodies with
Kirk. The title of the first ep ("Turn Around") reflects that, while
the title of the last ep ("Mirror, Mirror") is a nod to "Mirror Image."
<

Oh, and here was I wondering if the title was a nod to the great Thorne
Smith (best known as the author of "Topper"), whose book "Turnabout"
(written in the late 20s or early 30s) featured the same concept, the
switch being courtesy of a mischievous little Egyptian statue who got
tired of watching the couple involved fight so much. Fun book -- but
then, all Smith's work is excellent. And he took the idea one stage
further than anyone's done yet -- he had the husband have a baby! <g>

And as for "Mirror, Mirror" -- do I _really_ need to point out that the
title was also used for a Hugo-nominated episode of the original ST? <g>

Phil, wondering how an L&C version of, say, "The Stray Lamb" (Clark
keeps turning into different animals) would work. Or "Skin and Bones"
(he becomes a skeleton). Or, best of all, "The Night Life of the Gods".
"The Passionate Witch" is right out, though, as much as I loved the
film version....
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hi zoom ! i never knew there was such an nfic ... could you please send it
to me outside the list, cos i would love to read it <grin>
my email address is dorothea7@hotmail.com
thanks
dorothea :)

>From: The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM>
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>Subject: I found it <G> (was Re: PROMO> S6,
>Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:18:57 EDT
>
>In a message dated 5/20/99 5:37:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
>ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:
>
><< >
>  > Clark:  "Guys don't sit that way.  It makes me--you--look like a girl."
>  >
>  > Lois, rolling her eyes:  "Is this okay?  Or do I need to cross my ankle
>over
>  > my knee and scratch myself?"
>  >
>  > ____________
>   >>
>
>I knew this kept sounding familiar, and after haunting the fanfic archive,
>I
>realized the story I was thinking of was "nfic".  Yes, believe it or not,
>we've done round robin nfic <g>
>
>MIRROR IMAGE
>
>(an IRC round-robin nfic by ChiefPam, chrispat, CiotolaAM, Dor, Jenerator,
>KathyB, peabody, PeaceEv, sharper, and
>zoomway -- 12/19/97)
>
>
>Synopsis: In discussing “I’ve Got You Under My Skin,” we got to wondering
>what Lois and Clark would have done if *they* had been the ones involved in
>the body switch. The seemingly limitless--but unusually challenging--nfic
>possibilities were
>irresistible, and we braved hours of gender confusion to bring you this
>story. We hope you have as much fun reading it as we had writing it.
>
>
><zoomway>
>
>"Honey, no offense, but I feel ... I mean, your body ... can we land some
>place?"
>
>"Sure," Lois said and shifted rather fast, and they lost altitude rapidly
>and
>then suddenly found themselves outside the townhouse. Lois drifted them in
>the window awkwardly, and they fell to the floor.
>
>Clark rubbed his elbow. "It needs work."
>
>Lois straightened the cape. "I never had to come in through a window as
>Ultrawoman."
>
>"Can we sit down?" Clark asked and stumbled a bit in Lois's shoes.
>
>"Okay, I know this takes getting used to, Clark."
>
>"It's not just that, honey, it's ... I love being close to you, but your
>body, I feel ... things."
>
>Lois raised Clark's eyebrows. "Like?"
>
>Clark looked at his 'superman' self seated on the sofa. "Lois, don't sit
>like
>that."
>
>"Like what?"
>
>"Men don't tuck a leg under them when they sit down."
>
>Lois sighed loudly and untucked her leg. She sat with her back to the sofa
>and rested an ankle on her knee. "Better? Or should I spit too?"
>
>"I'm not being critical, honey, it's just that --"
>
>"Does my blouse gape like that all the time?"
>
>"Huh?"
>
>"God, no wonder that saleswoman was pushing it with all the compliments."
>
>Clark looked down at his chest, or rather at his wife's chest. "That's
>another thing. I'm embarrassed to cross my arms now!  Everything I like to
>touch on you is on me now."
>
>*************
>
>I have to cut it off there because it gets...nfic-ish after that <g>
>Anyway,
>maybe as a companion piece to the new S6 episode, I can send out the old
>Mirror Image nfic to whoever is interested, or maybe Joyce can send it out
>via the nfic list. Our story is fairly short, and truthfully I might not
>even
>have found it but for the fact it had been nominated for a Kerth Award and
>so
>had been reposted. For the record though, I don't write "nfic" so much as
>innuendo. I admire people who can write nfic, but it makes me too...squidgy
><g>
>
>Zoomway@aol.com
>

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Apologies to Farah and everyone else if this topic has been closed -
I don't remember seeing that it has, unless there is an email I
haven't received.

> > And I think "someone" is overreacting. ;)
> >
>
> That would be you. ;)

To my mind, this is close to a flame.

As far as the copyright thing goes, as an academic who deals with
copyright matters as part of my job my view is that (1) the excerpt
came from a *free* Internet site - in other words, even if we had all
gone over to read it, no-one would have made any money out of it. (2)
The full extract was *not* posted, and (3) the source was fully cited.

As such, I doubt that anyone would raise serious objections.

Wendy

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Thanks, Ann and Laurie.  That was a great help, and I'll be writing a
certain Assistant DA with a lot more confidence now :)  Laurie - thanks for
offering to ask your hubby for more detail, but I think I've got enough to
work on now.

Regards,
Yvonne
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"It was a dark and stormy night and the rain fell in torrents--except at
occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which
swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling
along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps
that struggled against the darkness." --Paul Clifford (1830)

Consider poor Paul Clifford. His lack of prose writing skills inspired the
Bulwer-Lytton Writing Contest, "Where WWW means Wretched Writers Welcome".

I'm posting these examples in hopes that those who feel they don't quite
pack
the "pro gear" to get published, will take heart and realize some truly
awful
@#$% gets published every year <g>

"She wore a dress the same color as her eyes her father brought her from San
Francisco." --Danielle Steel, Star

(One can only hope she got good use out of the eyes her father purchased.)

"He spun round in the doorway with a violence that was tangible, surveying
her bitterly with hard, blazing eyes before banging the door so savagely
that
the whole room shuddered and whimpered before sinking into an unearthly
silence."--Helen Brooks, Husband by Contract (Harlequin)

(Perhaps the "silence" was of the Jupiter variety. However, considering the
house "whimpered", the story might already have a setting on another
planet.)

"Donato nodded in a sharp little bow, clicking his fingers at Antonio, who
reached behind her for the case, his pock-marked face beneath its
chauffeur's
cap of blue and gold apologetic."--Helen Brooks, Husband by Contract
(Harlequin)

(It might just be me, but I like green and red apologetic so much better
than
"blue and gold apologetic".)

"Why do nuts women always have cats? Why not dogs, dogs who are just as
excited to see you after you drive up to the corner to get milk as they were
when they first met you, instead of cats, who, as Pat always said, regarded
people as warm-blooded furniture? To keep her eyes to herself, Beth stared
down at Loreta's ample thigh in its armor of polyester, a blue that did not
exist in nature. Why did nuts women aged about sixty-five who kept cats also
wear stretch pants? With flowered blouses that looked chosen carefully for
their potential to make the wearer look like ten miles of bad road under a
tablecloth? Because something like these clothes had looked good on them
when
they were young? Because everything else looked worse? As she let her glance
slide upward to Loretta's tightly furled perm, like a head of late-spring
buds, she heard the woman ask Candy, "So, do you want me to do a trance? Or
just give you some impressions?"--Jacquelyn Mitchard, The Deep End of the
Ocean (p. 106)

(You're so very brave if you got all the way through this horrible passage,
but keep in mind this person got *paid* for this.  Feeling more confident
about your writing yet? If not, read on ;)

And this," Pauline continued, indicating the largest of the three men, "is
Mr. Earl. He's your security guard, and he'll shadow you until the jewels
are
returned all in one piece."--Joan Collins, Hell Hath No Fury (unpublished)

(Oh, goody. I've always wanted jewels returned in one solid clump.  You'll
note it says "unpublished", however Joan Collins *was* paid an advance for
the book. Random House is suing to get the advance back.)

"She wanted to wrap her legs around him the way a tree wraps itself around a
mountain" And... "She rode astride him like a bucking bronco in the rodeo of
the flesh." ---Bodysmasher by Jan Stacy (Zebra Press)

(Yes, there's bad professional "Nfic" out there too.)

"He was as guarded as a virgin, but infinitely more experienced."--An Excess
of Love by Cash Spellman

(Maidens welcome, but experience preferred.)

"She popped the elastic at the top of the second sock and pushed her
sexually
ambiguous Timex watch up along the blond hairs of her handsome forearms."
--POB2, A Love Story, Steve Whalen

(Don't you hate timepiece gender issues?)

"She stuck to his prime-grade A tush like shrink-wrap to a rump
roast."--Nobody Does it Better by Jan Freed

(Kind of says it all, doesn't it?)

I hope some of you found this enlightening. If not, I hope you at least
found
some of it funny <g>

Zoomway@aol.com (who once gave Clark a "rye" grin...or was that "grain"? ;)
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Hey guys!

Now that I've entered the giddy world of IRC (/me waves to everyone on
#loiscla last night <g>) I was just wondering whether there was a channel
set up for UK FoLCs or even if anyone who is tech minded might consider
setting one up if there isn't.

There seem to be a lot of us fairly active on IRC these days and it would
give us someone to talk to if we get the urge when our US friends,
Stateside, are on downtime and asleep.

Just a thought...

LabRat :)  (wanting the best of both worlds.... <bg>)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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"What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists? In that case, I
definitely overpaid for my carpet." -- Woody Allen, Without Feathers, 1976.

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>From MR. D8A's work email

SLEEP! HA!! We don't need no stinkin' sleep!

(Sorry.  Could not resist.)  I do not IRC all that often but back when we
first got it, just for the Kerths ;-), I could usually find Zoom anywhere on
the clock.

MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James

Who surfs the web when he has insomnia.

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Hey guys!

Now that I've entered the giddy world of IRC (/me waves to everyone on
#loiscla last night <g>) I was just wondering whether there was a channel
set up for UK FoLCs or even if anyone who is tech minded might consider
setting one up if there isn't.

There seem to be a lot of us fairly active on IRC these days and it would
give us someone to talk to if we get the urge when our US friends,
Stateside, are on downtime and asleep.

Just a thought...

LabRat :)  (wanting the best of both worlds.... <bg>)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@ukf.net

"What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists? In that case, I
definitely overpaid for my carpet." -- Woody Allen, Without Feathers, 1976.

"I won't eat anything that has intelligent life but I would gladly eat a
network executive or politician." - Marty Feldman.
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>I'm posting these examples in hopes that those who feel they don't quite
pack
>the "pro gear" to get published, will take heart and realize some truly
awful
>@#$% gets published every year <g>
>

Zoom! You poor thing! You attempted such impetuous, reckless research, all
on your own and unarmed, just for us? Here, come over here, sit down - shall
I get you a brandy? Stay calm, keep quiet, lay a damp cloth over your eyes.

We need an antidote. Quick! Read all of S6. Everything on Zoom's fanfic
website. Or the Archive. Or Annesplace. <g>

And, *please*, don't ever attempt something that dangerous again without
first donning asbestos gloves and a wet suit and handling the lethal
material from five yards back with a bargepole.  You're too valuable to lose
to such hideous madness. <bg>

LabRat :) (who won't confess she kinda liked that nuts women bit. Sort of...
Well, half of it anyway... and who is now trotting off to phone Bad Fanfic
Anonymous...)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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"What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists? In that case, I
definitely overpaid for my carpet." -- Woody Allen, Without Feathers, 1976.

"I won't eat anything that has intelligent life but I would gladly eat a
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Sorry, you guys not in the UK, but this just bounced when I sent it to
Demi's UK FoLCs list. So...talk among yourselves for a second if you're
outside the catchment area <g>

For those of you (in the UK) with satellite/cable, I've just noticed that
Bravo is now showing The Howard Stern Show, weeknights at 10pm. No real info
on whether it's new or old shows, but it might be worth keeping an eye on as
both Teri and Dean guested on it, I believe.

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@ukf.net

"What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists? In that case, I
definitely overpaid for my carpet." -- Woody Allen, Without Feathers, 1976.

"I won't eat anything that has intelligent life but I would gladly eat a
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Zoom- You give hope to many a fledgling.  LOL!  What a collection of "bon
mots" you have.  Where were the editors when those drafts went through!
Laurie
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>From MR. D8A's work email

Sitting in their ivory towers whipping the backs of the down trodden grunts
that actually only have a 6th grade reading skill.

PS what is "bon mots?"

MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James

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Zoom- You give hope to many a fledgling.  LOL!  What a collection of "bon
mots" you have.  Where were the editors when those drafts went through!
Laurie
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Ouch!  This stuff is truly awful.  If they haven't already done so, the
authors should enter these passages in the annual Bulwer-Lytton contest.

Ann
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In a message dated 5/21/99 4:18:26 PM Central Daylight Time, labrat@UKF.NET
writes:

<< Zoom! You poor thing! You attempted such impetuous, reckless research,
all
 on your own and unarmed, just for us? Here, come over here, sit down -
shall
 I get you a brandy? Stay calm, keep quiet, lay a damp cloth over your eyes.
  >>

Actually, it's a sick addiction of mine.  Every single time Chris Carter has
a long voice-over segment in a season finale, I find myself drawn to various
"badfic" sites. This is not to say that Carter is a bad writer, but since
the
voice-overs are to be the characters' inner thoughts, I find it hard to
believe that Mulder would even *think* the word "hurly-burly". Nor could I
imagine Scully running the whole evolution of life on this planet through
her
head in the manner of an introduction to a Discovery Channel special on
primordial ooze. Then again, given Scully's absent social life, she could
have said all of that in response to a guy at a bar saying, "So, beautiful,
tell me about yourself."

My quest for badfic first led me to a page of "bad analogies". I've posted
them below. They may have been posted to the list before, but they're worth
rereading <g>

"He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from experience, like a guy
who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at high
schools about the dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one of
those boxes with a pinhole in it."

"She caught your eye like one of those pointy hook latches that used to
dangle from screen doors and would fly up whenever you banged the door open
again."

"The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling
ball wouldn't."

"McBride fell 12 stories, hitting the pavement like a Hefty Bag filled with
vegetable soup."

"From the attic came an unearthly howl. The whole scene had an eerie,
surreal
quality, like when you're on vacation in another city and "Jeopardy" comes
on
at 7 p.m. instead of 7:30."

"Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze."

"Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the center."

"Bob was as perplexed as a hacker who means to access
T:flw.quid55328.com\aaakk/ch@ung but gets T:\flw.quidaaakk/ch@ung by
mistake."

"Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever."

"He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree."

"The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them
in hot grease."

"Her date was pleasant enough, but she knew that if her life was a movie
this guy would be buried in the credits as something like "Second Tall
Man."

"Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed lovers raced across the
grassy field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. traveling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at 4:19
p.m. at a speed of 35 mph."

"The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the period after the Dr. on a
Dr
Pepper can."

"They lived in a typical suburban neighborhood with picket fences that
resembled Nancy Kerrigan's teeth."

"John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had also
never met."

"The thunder was ominous-sounding, much like the sound of a thin sheet of
metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play."

"His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."

"The red brick wall was the color of a brick-red Crayola crayon."

In a message dated 5/21/99 5:34:24 PM Central Daylight Time, Aerm1@AOL.COM
writes:

<< Ouch!  This stuff is truly awful.  If they haven't already done so, the
 authors should enter these passages in the annual Bulwer-Lytton contest. >>

Fear not, Ann! Below are some of the Bulwer-Lytton contest winners from
years
past:

The bone-chilling scream split the warm summer night in two, the first half
being before the scream when it was fairly balmy and calm and pleasant for
those who hadn't heard the scream at all, but not calm or balmy or even very
nice for those who did hear the scream, discounting the little period of
time
during the actual scream itself when your ears might have been hearing it
but
your brain wasn't reacting yet to let you know.

--Patricia E. Presutti, Lewiston, New York

The notes blatted skyward as the sun rose over the Canada geese, feathered
rumps mooning the day, webbed appendages frantically peddling unseen
bicycles
in their search for sustenance, driven by Nature's maxim, "Ya wanna eat, ya
gotta work," and at last I knew Pittsburgh.

--Sheila B. Richter, Minneapolis, Minnesota

Sultry it was and humid, but no whisper of air caused the plump, laden
spears
of golden grain to nod their burdened heads as they unheedingly awaited the
cyclic rape of their gleaming treasure, while overhead the burning orb of
luminescence ascended its ever-upward path toward a sweltering celestial
apex, for although it is not in Kansas that our story takes place, it looks
godawful like it.

--Judy Frazier, Lathrop, Missouri

She wasn't really my type, a hard-looking but untalented reporter from the
local cat box liner, but the first second that the third-rate representative
of the fourth estate cracked open a new fifth of old Scotch, my sixth sense
said seventh heaven was as close as an eighth note from Beethoven's Ninth
Symphony, so, nervous as a tenth grader drowning in eleventh-hour cramming
for a physics exam, I swept her into my longing arms, and, humming "The
Twelfth of Never," I got lucky on Friday the thirteenth.

--Wm. W. "Buddy" Ocheltree, Port Townsend, Washington

Zoomway@aol.com

"To be thought of as simply a beautiful woman was bridling, unthinkable."
To
be thought of was unthinkable? Not just unthinkable, but bridling too.
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Zoom,

These analogies are great in a rather gruesome kind of way.  I laughed,
reread them and then laughed even harder.  I am definitely keeping
these just so I can pull them out when I need a chuckle.

Thanks for brightening my day!
Irene
sirenegold@yahoo.com

--- The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM> wrote:
> In a message dated 5/21/99 4:18:26 PM Central
> Daylight Time, labrat@UKF.NET
> writes:
>
> << Zoom! You poor thing! You attempted such
> impetuous, reckless research, all
>  on your own and unarmed, just for us? Here, come
> over here, sit down - shall
>  I get you a brandy? Stay calm, keep quiet, lay a
> damp cloth over your eyes.
>   >>
>
> Actually, it's a sick addiction of mine.  Every
> single time Chris Carter has
> a long voice-over segment in a season finale, I find
> myself drawn to various
> "badfic" sites. This is not to say that Carter is a
> bad writer, but since the
> voice-overs are to be the characters' inner
> thoughts, I find it hard to
> believe that Mulder would even *think* the word
> "hurly-burly". Nor could I
> imagine Scully running the whole evolution of life
> on this planet through her
> head in the manner of an introduction to a Discovery
> Channel special on
> primordial ooze. Then again, given Scully's absent
> social life, she could
> have said all of that in response to a guy at a bar
> saying, "So, beautiful,
> tell me about yourself."
>
> My quest for badfic first led me to a page of "bad
> analogies". I've posted
> them below. They may have been posted to the list
> before, but they're worth
> rereading <g>
>
> "He spoke with the wisdom that can only come from
> experience, like a guy
> who went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse
> without one of those
> boxes with a pinhole in it and now goes around the
> country speaking at high
> schools about the dangers of looking at a solar
> eclipse without one of
> those boxes with a pinhole in it."
>
> "She caught your eye like one of those pointy hook
> latches that used to
> dangle from screen doors and would fly up whenever
> you banged the door open
> again."
>
> "The little boat gently drifted across the pond
> exactly the way a bowling
> ball wouldn't."
>
> "McBride fell 12 stories, hitting the pavement like
> a Hefty Bag filled with
> vegetable soup."
>
> "From the attic came an unearthly howl. The whole
> scene had an eerie, surreal
> quality, like when you're on vacation in another
> city and "Jeopardy" comes on
> at 7 p.m. instead of 7:30."
>
> "Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after
> a sneeze."
>
> "Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black
> dots in the center."
>
> "Bob was as perplexed as a hacker who means to
> access
> T:flw.quid55328.com\aaakk/ch@ung but gets
> T:\flw.quidaaakk/ch@ung by
> mistake."
>
> "Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever."
>
> "He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree."
>
> "The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like
> maggots when you fry them
> in hot grease."
>
> "Her date was pleasant enough, but she knew that if
> her life was a movie
> this guy would be buried in the credits as something
> like "Second Tall
> Man."
>
> "Long separated by cruel fate, the star-crossed
> lovers raced across the
> grassy field toward each other like two freight
> trains, one having left
> Cleveland at 6:36 p.m. traveling at 55 mph, the
> other from Topeka at 4:19
> p.m. at a speed of 35 mph."
>
> "The politician was gone but unnoticed, like the
> period after the Dr. on a Dr
> Pepper can."
>
> "They lived in a typical suburban neighborhood with
> picket fences that
> resembled Nancy Kerrigan's teeth."
>
> "John and Mary had never met. They were like two
> hummingbirds who had also
> never met."
>
> "The thunder was ominous-sounding, much like the
> sound of a thin sheet of
> metal being shaken backstage during the storm scene
> in a play."
>
> "His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and
> breaking alliances like
> underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
>
> "The red brick wall was the color of a brick-red
> Crayola crayon."
>
> In a message dated 5/21/99 5:34:24 PM Central
> Daylight Time, Aerm1@AOL.COM
> writes:
>
> << Ouch!  This stuff is truly awful.  If they
> haven't already done so, the
>  authors should enter these passages in the annual
> Bulwer-Lytton contest. >>
>
> Fear not, Ann! Below are some of the Bulwer-Lytton
> contest winners from years
> past:
>
>
> The bone-chilling scream split the warm summer night
> in two, the first half
> being before the scream when it was fairly balmy and
> calm and pleasant for
> those who hadn't heard the scream at all, but not
> calm or balmy or even very
> nice for those who did hear the scream, discounting
> the little period of time
> during the actual scream itself when your ears might
> have been hearing it but
> your brain wasn't reacting yet to let you know.
>
> --Patricia E. Presutti, Lewiston, New York
>
> The notes blatted skyward as the sun rose over the
> Canada geese, feathered
> rumps mooning the day, webbed appendages frantically
> peddling unseen bicycles
> in their search for sustenance, driven by Nature's
> maxim, "Ya wanna eat, ya
> gotta work," and at last I knew Pittsburgh.
>
> --Sheila B. Richter, Minneapolis, Minnesota
>
>
> Sultry it was and humid, but no whisper of air
> caused the plump, laden spears
> of golden grain to nod their burdened heads as they
> unheedingly awaited the
> cyclic rape of their gleaming treasure, while
> overhead the burning orb of
> luminescence ascended its ever-upward path toward a
> sweltering celestial
> apex, for although it is not in Kansas that our
> story takes place, it looks
> godawful like it.
>
> --Judy Frazier, Lathrop, Missouri
>
> She wasn't really my type, a hard-looking but
> untalented reporter from the
> local cat box liner, but the first second that the
> third-rate representative
> of the fourth estate cracked open a new fifth of old
> Scotch, my sixth sense
> said seventh heaven was as close as an eighth note
> from Beethoven's Ninth
> Symphony, so, nervous as a tenth grader drowning in
> eleventh-hour cramming
> for a physics exam, I swept her into my longing
> arms, and, humming "The
> Twelfth of Never," I got lucky on Friday the
> thirteenth.
>
> --Wm. W. "Buddy" Ocheltree, Port Townsend,
> Washington
>
> Zoomway@aol.com
>
> "To be thought of as simply a beautiful woman was
> bridling, unthinkable."  To
>
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At 08:09 PM 5/21/99 EDT, The Zoomway wrote:
>My quest for badfic first led me to a page of "bad analogies". I've posted
>them below. They may have been posted to the list before, but they're worth
>rereading <g>

Long ago, when I was working on my first novel (I was just out of college),
I wrote a godawful analogy like some of those:

>>She blushed furiously, her cheeks looking hot enough to fry eggs on.<<

When I wrote it, I was only concerned that the analogy was accurate--and
*original*.  (This was my avoiding-cliches-at-all-costs period :)  When a
friend or relative fell into hysterical laughter at the image of a girl with
fried eggs on her cheeks, I was finally convinced to remove the stupid thing
>from my story.  Since then, I've learned the virtue of direct writing, with
little metaphorical language, particularly if the subject might seem either
cliched or unbelievable (romances or speculative fiction).

That's why I laugh when readers ask if they can read anything else I've done
before.  I have a few decent stories, but there's a reason most of this
stuff was buried <g>

Sheila

sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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Zoom quoted:
>
>"McBride fell 12 stories, hitting the pavement like a Hefty Bag
filled with
>vegetable soup."

LOL, Zoom!   I *like* this one!  It might not be a pretty picture, but
it's an accurate image, and the writer certainly got his point across.
I not only *saw* McBride hitting the pavement, I *heard* the splat  ;p

>Fear not, Ann! Below are some of the Bulwer-Lytton contest winners
>from years
>past:

*Please* tell me that these people were deliberately trying to write
badfic, and not that they were submitting their best efforts at
serious writing.

Pat

peabody@mcs.com
pattijean@aol.com
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In a message dated 5/21/99 9:53:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, peabody@MCS.COM
writes:

<< *Please* tell me that these people were deliberately trying to write
 badfic, and not that they were submitting their best efforts at
 serious writing.
  >>

They were.  there is an annual contest for people to write the first
sentence
of a novel following the style of "It was a dark and stormy night...."
There
are various categories, for example, mystery, romance, etc.  and an overall
winner.  I have seen a book that was a collection of past entries, but I
honestly don't know who published it.  Periodically I will see a news item
about the winner for the year in the paper.

The entries in the book I saw were really, really bad.

Ann
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At 04:32 PM 05/21/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>>>From MR. D8A's work email
>
>Sitting in their ivory towers whipping the backs of the down trodden grunts
>that actually only have a 6th grade reading skill.
>
>PS what is "bon mots?"

        "good words"
>
>MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James

Debby
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In a message dated 5/21/99 7:08:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<< >From MR. D8A's work email
 >
 >Sitting in their ivory towers whipping the backs of the down trodden
grunts
 >that actually only have a 6th grade reading skill.
 >
 >PS what is "bon mots?"

         "good words"
 >
 >MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James >>

Yes, French for "good words", but actually more like "apt comment" or
"choice
words."                     Laurie
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This is something I sent out to many of the AOL FoLCs tonight and thought I
would post this here as well - since the other listserv seems to still be
down and so that the  fans here will have this information as well......

Hope this is ok =)

Well it has been almost 3 months since I sent the last one of these
out....there has been alot going on in that time and so I thought I would
drop you a short note about a few things.....

Dean Cain

Dean has been a *very* busy man in 1999!   He recently finished filming 3
back to back movies in Puerto Rico, Bulgaria and Montreal - as he is
currently in the process of getting ready to make his Directorial Debut in a
TV Movie which he will also write and star in.    Please be sure to visit
<A HREF="http://www.cainconnection.com/">The Cain Connection</A>  as well as
<A HREF="aol://5863:126/mB:346443">Dean Cain WB EXTRA Folder</A>  for all
the
latest information on Dean's current projects along with the status of the
ones he just completed =)

While at this time we are unsure when or if we will ever see Rag N Bone - if
you check out
<A HREF="http://www.cainconnection.com/">The Cain Connection</A>  - Vicki
has
a couple of promotional photos from the show!

Many of you might remember the Joe Torry Celebrity Charity Basketball game
that took place last June in St. Louis.....well this is to be an annual
event
to raise funds for the Giving Back The Love Foundation.   The game this year
will once again be held in St. Louis and *at this time* Dean has been
confirmed to be there the entire weekend.   The game is on Saturday, July
10,
1999.    Last year there were 12 FoLCs that made the trek to St. Louis but
this year - well there are people coming in from all over the world <g>
For more information on the game itself - please check out:
<A HREF="http://www.joetorryfoundation.com/">JoeTorry Foundation - Celeb
Basketball Game</A>  website.

If you are interested in more details or are planning on attending - be sure
to contact Melody at    MelRaymond@aol.com.   Melody had graciously
volunteered to keep everyone organized <g>    She has been working extremely
hard to make sure that everyone in attendance this year will have a great
time!   It is turning into quite a little mini FoLCfest in St. Louis!   So
be
sure to contact Melody for futher details on where everyone is staying -
where they are getting tickets - etc....

For all the latest on Dean - be sure to check out
<A HREF="aol://5863:126/mB:346443">Dean Cain WB EXTRA Folder</A>  and
<A HREF="http://www.cainconnection.com/">The Cain Connection</A> website for
sightings, projects, chatter - all kinds of stuff!

Also, be sure to join Vicki for
<A HREF="http://www.cainconnection.com/">The Cain Connection</A> chats every
Monday from 8 - 10 pm EST.    Just go to the website and click on chats - if
you are not registered - it will just a moment to do so and then you can
chat
away =)

Teri Hatcher

What a year 1999 has been for Teri as well!!   She just completed an
extremely successful 10 week run in LA with Cabaret and is now in her 3rd
week in Boston.  She will be in Boston until June 6th and then on to Chicago
then DC.

There have been many FoLCs that have been very lucky to see her as Sally
Bowles and it is simply.....amazing!    Teri is perfectly marvelous <g> and
I
am sure that any of you that get to see her in any of the 4 cities are going
to love it!!!

We have been posting reviews in the
<A HREF="aol://5863:126/mB:346444">Teri Hatcher WB EXTRA Folder</A>.   There
are tons and tons of reviews in there from both the fans as well as just
about every review that has been put in print <g>       If you get a chance
to see the show - would love to also see your review in the
<A HREF="aol://5863:126/mB:346444">Teri Hatcher WB EXTRA Folder</A> .

Be sure to check out Les's
<A HREF="http://teri.net/">Teri Hatcher Fan Club Web Site</A> as he has some
great pics from the first ads from LA along with the Cabaret promo and a
story from KTLA after Opening Night.

On Tuesday, May 25th - Teri will be doing the Rosie O'Donnell Show.    This
show airs at different times throughout the country so be sure to check your
listings and set those vcrs!!    It will be great to see Teri on Rosie
again!!!

If you all recall - Teri finished filming an indie film called "Fever" in
January before she began rehearsals for Cabaret....well - this film was
screened a week ago at the 1999 Cannes Film Festival!       I have been
posting articles and as much information as I can find in the
<A HREF="aol://5863:126/mB:346444">Teri Hatcher WB EXTRA Folder</A>.
Last
I read - they are trying to find a US distributor for the film.   Here is
the
link for the official "Fever" website which has some great information about
the film on it!
<A HREF="http://www.fever-movie.com/">Fever</A>

Catch 22

Once again - what a year for the band as well!!   1999 has been a very good
year for many people!!!      The guys have alot of really really great
things
happening for them!!!

If you all are on Scotty's Newsletter list - then you know that the CD is
just about completed and that there is possibly a National TV appearance in
the very near future!  Be sure to check out the band's website:
<A HREF="http://www.catch22band.com/">Catch 22 Band</A>  and then join us
over in the
<A HREF="aol://5863:126/mB:368243">Catch 22 Band EXTRA folder</A>  for lots
of discussion.   Stay tuned to both of these areas for all the latest news
and information!

Tim Minear

Well, Tim has been a very busy guy!   He is currently writing for and
producing the Buffy spinoff called Angel that will debut in the fall on the
WB network.   I posted this information not too long ago in the
<A HREF="aol://5863:126/mB:346563">Lois & Clark WB EXTRA Folder</A>.   Stay
tuned for more details....as I find out anything else I will be sure to post
them there!

Lois and Clark

I have given this its own section for a couple of reasons <g>    First off,
to let you all know that many of the FoLCs are still very much interested in
what the cast and crew of Lois and Clark are up to these days.....as I find
out information on them - I post it in the
<A HREF="aol://5863:126/mB:346563">Lois & Clark WB EXTRA Folder</A>.   So,
please feel free at any time to post any information you have on any
projects
that K, Eddie, Justin, Tim, Grant, etc might be up to these days.    We are
a
loyal group <g> and tend to follow them to just about any project they might
do.....so post away =)

As you all know - TNT is still airing L&C although just once a week on
Sunday
mornings at 9 am EST.   There are still new viewers finding the show and
these boards and so we have a place for them to talk about L&C if they so
desire ;-)

Demi's Fantasy Land Pages

One of the most innovative sites out there with some awesome internet
message
boards!   Demi has all kinds of things on this site and so check it out and
plan to stay awhile and play <g>

 <A HREF="http://destinyy.com/lcfantasy/">Lois & Clark Fantasy Land
Pages</A>
     http://destinyy.com/lcfantasy/

<A HREF="http://destinyy.com/loisclarkmbs/">Lois & Clark Fantasy Land Pages
MESSAGE BOARDS</A>
http://destinyy.com/loisclarkmbs/

Season 6

Kathy Brown and her staff have been working very hard to continue on with
Lois and Clark!   They are currently on episode 8 and they are all a must
read!!   Be sure to check them out:
<A HREF="http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/">Lois & Clark Season 6</A>

Here are some other *Super* links for you to check out:

 <A HREF="http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/">Lois & Clark Fanfiction</A>
<A HREF="http://simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html">Writer's
Showcase</A>
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/2697/index.html">The
Townhouse</A>

<A HREF="http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm">Anne's
little corner of teh world...</A>
<A HREF="http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~lienanhd/lc.html">Cookie's Lois & Clark
Page</A>

<A HREF="http://acreativetouch.simplenet.com/zoomway/zoom2.htm">Zoomway's
Ultimate Lois and Clark Superman Site</A>

Well, I think that is all I have for this particular email......I hope to
see
all of you over in the WB EXTRA forum posting up a storm <eg>

So, until next time - take care everyone and please remember to pass this on
to whomever you wish and be sure to let me know if you want to be dropped
>from receiving future emails or if you know of someone that needs to be
added!!

Have a great weekend!!!

April <~~~who apologizes to all of you that I have not answered email from
lately - I have been very busy and hope to get to it all very soon! Thanks
for your patience=)