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Date:         Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:54:30 EST
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Hi Sandy,

I didn't know whether you had stayed on the list or not after posting your
"Little Man, Super" announcement.  Sorry that you got SIX copies of my
review,
LOL.  I know after our discussion during the Christmas Holiday break about
the
possibility of being able to proof your work, I didn't think you would
return.
You are a fine writer and an excellent critic.  Stay on and share your
thoughts.  We have all learned from your advice.  I certainly have enjoyed
it.

You have made me a happy FoLC,
Anne (ACdrift@aol.com)
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Pam Jernigan wrote:
> Then Sandy replied to Charlotte:
>
> >> I didn't find it boring either.  In fact, I posted some comments about
> it to the reader review section of the Season 6 website -- I think I did
> that on Tuesday or Wednesday.  <<
>
> Cool!  I haven't checked for new comments in a while, so I look forward
> to seeing what you had to say.  I know your comments helped to improve my
> S5 ep.

Pam:

I don't believe the comments I posted are up on your site yet. In any
case, you're probably in the midst of having or have just had your
baby.  So, I offer the following to you, which is not a detailed review
at all, for when you next have a free moment ... like a year from
now.<g>

********************

Spoilers for Season 6, Ep 1 follow:

*
*
*
*
*
*
*

A couple of months ago, in my attempts to avoid my own writing, I
decided to read the Season 6 episodes which had been posted upto that
point.  I was pretty pleased with this first one, and I wish I could get
into more detail but I'm going with memory here rather than a recent
reading of the story. Please forgive me.

The two things I found to be its greatest strengths were the portrayal
of Jimmy.  Very well-written.  Seemed true to the character as I
remember him and it was nice to see him given more to do than his usual,
"Gee whiz, CK!"

The strongest part of the story, however, was its ending.  I truly was
gripped by the last scene (loved the description of L&C's arrival at
their house and what they found there) and was eager to see what would
come next. Thought this was a wonderful cliffhanger.

As for weaknesses in the story, there really weren't any.  But, I think
something was missing.  For instance, the last time we saw Lois and
Clark, they had just become parents.  In this opening story, several
months have passed and Lois, especially, seems very comfortable as a
parent. The only issues she appears to have are over childcare problems,
which, granted, isn't a small problem.  However, considering all we've
come to know about Lois over the years, I felt cheated a little at not
seeing some of the initial "struggle." Her adjustment just seemed a
little too rosy. Someone else who I talked with about this pointed out
that this was *because* months had passed and a reference to Lois'
doubts were made. Still, I would have loved to have seen a flashback
where Lois and Clark were struggling a bit more with learning about new
parenthood, handling a newborn, etc.  Even for the best of us, it
wouldn't come naturally.

And, I contend that if this had been done, the accusations over child
neglect, which ended the story and were taken up in the next, would have
been that much more dramatic and interesting because there would have
been a nagging doubt in L&C's minds (to which the reader could have
clearly borne witness)about whether they had indeed caught on to being
parents fast enough. Instead, we are left with no ambiguity regarding
their own feelings about themselves.  They seem reasonably confident,
and only Ellen's fitness comes seriously under question.  The fact is,
in many situations where people are accused of things which they know
they haven't done, there is always a doubt planted in their minds as to
what they did to create the wrong appearance.  The question always is
"what did *I* do wrong to cause this?"

In any event, I think this is a comparatively small question/criticism
(and perhaps my memory is faulty and I'm making more out of this than is
justified). I'm sure someone will get back to me, if so.<g> In any
event, this first episode is my favorite of S6 thus far.

********************

> >> Anyway, I also hope (if I have time) to
> post to the website some comments on Episode 2 as well.  I really had a
> lot of -- or at least significant -- questions about the plot decisions
> of the second story. <<
>
> Well, if you and Chris would care to have that discussion on this list, I
> know I for one would be interested.  That was a tricky episode to plot,
> especially under time pressure.  If Chris hadn't had a deadline to meet, I
> think the story would have been much better, much more subtle, much
longer,
> and not done for another six months <g>

I would be more than happy to share my comments on Episode 2 with you
... whenever I get around to putting them into sentence form, with verbs
and nouns and punctuation and all that.<g>

Hope all is well.

Sandy
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In a message dated 3/31/99 9:28:38 PM Central Standard Time,
leslie_lnc@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< But this relates to Lois and Clark FANFICTION how? >>

Well, Leslie, when LOISCLA (the main discussion list) crashes, and it seems
to
be more "down" than up most of the time these days, LOISCLA-GENERAL fills in
for fan information, sightings (Teri is rescheduled for Leno on April 8th
apparently ;), folcfest news, episode discussion,  or even Dean's California
accent <g>  The list was established in the first place when it was feared
that LOISCLA would be lost completely.  In fact, I sent the message to
LOISCLA
first, but it was down, and so like all other posts that usually go there,
the
post went here. Sorry you were confused.

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In a message dated 99-03-30 23:17:00 EST, you write:

<< But the ending rhyme I had not heard before and left me close to tears:

  ~~What is our little boy made of?
                           It's something of a mystery.
                       The stars and planets have conspired,
                            A miracle of she and me.~~ >>
I haven't even read this story.. Heck I didn't even know it was out, there..
and this poem got to me too!!! {Shakes her head.. so she can continue to
type.}
It was so beautiful! ;)

Alexis ;-.)
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Peggy,
Mr. D8a putting in his two wheat pennies.  Again.  At
the request of my love, Elisabeth:-)

The Lord has gifted me with a VERY visiual mind.  I
never think in words.  I find it very hard to spell out
loud.  I can only do it if I can 'see' the word in my
mind.  Phonetics was a nightmare.  I remember thinking
"How can I spell a word by how it sounds?  Sounds just
clutter the process."  An example 'fish' the 'ffff'
doesn't look like anything.  'I' gives me an image of a
little boy shaking his head that he does not want what
your giving him.  'Shh' is a finger to the lips of my
mother.  Can you see how maddening it is.  Everytime I
want remember "'i' before 'e', except after 'c'" brings
to mind Snoopy and his Jew's harp!

Everything I read instantly becomes pictures in my
head.  I was so disappointed when I found the pictures
disappearing from my books as I got older.  Technical
books and the like are a nightmare because I cannot
readily make pictures from the content.

My favorit fraze (phrase) is "I can/cannot feature
that."  To me all outside input is translated to
pictures.

I love reading fanfic of all kinds, especially on
topics I know.  Like Lois and Clark and Star Trek, all
series.  I also found the pre-Kerths enjoyable because
I got a chance to 'see' some of my favorite characters
in action.

That is the reason the my wife and I write our fanfic
together.  Our gifts complement each other so well.
Until we started to appriciate each others talents we
argued and gave each other the cold shoulder because we
were right and the other was wrong.
When we had a desire to right L&C fanfic that all
changed.  I recognized my wife's ability to give flow
to dialogue was far better than mine.  I have learned
to accept that after I finish writing a scene I need to
hand it over to her and have her proof the
conversations the characters have.  Conversely,  my
love has recognized my ability to bring a scene to
life.  I have no problem telling her "I can't see them
doing that." or "If your wanting me to paint the scene
I need more info."  My wife also says I have a knack
for transistions between parts of the same scene.

Even when we proof others stories for them we do it
together.  She starts first and hands the pages to me
as she finishes them.  She reads a whole lot faster
than I because she does not have to build the scene in
her head.

Well, it looks like I actually put more like a buck
fifty and some change.

James the verbose scene painter.

--- Elisabeth  wrote:
> Therefore, I always write my scenes from words and
> hand
> my copy to my visually-minded hubby to edit.
>
> BTW, I know good fanfic when I read it, because I
can
> hear the actors saying the dialogue.  If I can't
hear
> the characters speaking, it's probably not in
> character
> for them to say the lines.  That's what made my
> pre-Kerth time so much fun.  I got to spend the week
> listening to some of my best fictional friends talk.
> <G>

> --- Peggy Mueller  wrote:
> > Something I read recently raised this question for
> > me--do writers create
> > their stories by picturing scenes in their
> > imaginations and "translating"
> > the pictures into words, or do they form the
scenes
> > in words that somehow
> > coalesce into stories?  I'd really like to hear
> from
> > you writers on this
> > question!
>

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I thought I would add some input to this thread.  Although I've only
written one fanfic, I have done some music writing which for me was very
similiar in terms of inspiration and execution.

I find the whole creative process quite terrifying to be honest.  Ideas
literally spring fullblown into my head and I only have to write them
down.  But then I'm left wondering if I'm going to get another
inspiration anytime soon!

Firestorm literally wrote itself.  When watching Brutal Youth for the
umpteenth time, I wondered whether there would be any repercussions for
Jimmy.  What if, I wondered, Jimmy lived longer than others?  That was
all that was necessary and I was off and running.

I don't think in pictures, but I am a visual person.  I have to read
information for myself to understand it - don't try and verbally tell me
anything important - I literally can't absorb it! This was always a
problem for me at school. Oral French conversation meant nothing to me
until I could visualize what a word looked like on the page.

This has been a fascinating discussion as to how the creative process
works for various people.  I hope more people continue to post in
response.

Irene
sirenegold@hotmail.com
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I have to agree with everything that Wendy said. Irene, I absolutely loved
Firestorm, and not only stayed late one night at work to read it, but was
annoyed that I finally had to drag myself away from my computer, and
couldn't wait to get to work the next morning (how unusual!) so that I could
finish it.

I find that while I love fanfic, the stories that pique my interest the most
are the ones involving time travel. I've always been fascinated by the
paradoxes raised in either going back in the past or forward in the future,
the possibility of meeting "yourself" or your relatives, and how the
timelines can be altered. Probably why Quantum Leap was (and is) one of my
favorite shows. Also enjoyed any Star Trek time traveling stories.
Therefore, I have enjoyed immensely Firestorm and the great story that C.C.
recently wrote, the title of which momentarily escapes me (forgive me, it's
still sort of early here and I've been in bumper to bumper traffic for an
hour...).

Irene, thanks again for sharing Firestorm with us, PLEASE continue to write
fanfic as you write and plot excellently. Maybe someday I'll get up the
courage to write one of my own. :-)

Vicki
Vicki.Krell@asu.edu <mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu>

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                From:   Wendy Richards [mailto:ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK]
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                Irene, thank you!

                This is a wonderful story - and considering it's your first
fanfic it
                is truly excellent. As Phil said, the plotting and structure
is
                extremely good, and as for the suspense... well, I had
absolutely no
                idea what was going to happen until the very last page.

                And the emotional impact was huge, as well.

                It's after 8pm here, I'm still in my office - I should have
left at
                least an hour ago. The reason I didn't is that I started
reading
                Firestorm and couldn't stop. *That's* how good it is.

                Well done, Irene, and a sequel, please!!

                Wendy
                ----------------------
                Wendy Richards
                w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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I thought I would share my feelings about this as this discussion has been
very interesting.

I haven't yet written a fanfic (well I have but it's being edited at the
moment) but I find that I can picture whole books in my head.  The problem
arises when it comes to writing them down.  I want to get them down on paper
so quickly that I don't pay as much attention to things like grammar and
punctuation as I should do.  It's not that I'm bad at these things, it's
just my brain is working quicker than my fingers!

One thing I don't have a great problem with is spelling - as I have always
been very good at spelling since I first learned how to read and write but I
know what James means about phonetics - you often have words that you know
sound okay but when it comes to writing them down they never seem to be
quite right and you have to re-think whole sentences and sometimes even
whole paragraphs.

I keep telling myself I will try harder but the ideas still keep milling
right through my head.  I've tried all sorts of things like using a
dictaphone but I don't feel quite right about using that in public, which is
often when inspiration comes.

Kind regards
Eileen B
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Thank you very much, Vicki and thank you again, Wendy for the positive
feedback.

I enjoy time travel stories also (obviously).

And, please do get your courage together, Vicki.  Look what has happened
to me.  Up until a month ago, I had no desire to write!

Take care,
Irene
sirenegold@hotmail.com
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>From: Vicki Krell <Vicki.Krell@ASU.EDU>
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>Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:59:29 -0700
>
>I have to agree with everything that Wendy said. Irene, I absolutely
loved
>Firestorm, and not only stayed late one night at work to read it, but
was
>annoyed that I finally had to drag myself away from my computer, and
>couldn't wait to get to work the next morning (how unusual!) so that I
could
>finish it.
>
>I find that while I love fanfic, the stories that pique my interest the
most
>are the ones involving time travel. I've always been fascinated by the
>paradoxes raised in either going back in the past or forward in the
future,
>the possibility of meeting "yourself" or your relatives, and how the
>timelines can be altered. Probably why Quantum Leap was (and is) one of
my
>favorite shows. Also enjoyed any Star Trek time traveling stories.
>Therefore, I have enjoyed immensely Firestorm and the great story that
C.C.
>recently wrote, the title of which momentarily escapes me (forgive me,
it's
>still sort of early here and I've been in bumper to bumper traffic for
an
>hour...).
>
>Irene, thanks again for sharing Firestorm with us, PLEASE continue to
write
>fanfic as you write and plot excellently. Maybe someday I'll get up the
>courage to write one of my own. :-)
>
>Vicki
>Vicki.Krell@asu.edu <mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu>
>
>
>                -----Original Message-----
>                From:   Wendy Richards [mailto:ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK]
>                Sent:   Wednesday, March 31, 1999 12:04 PM
>                To:     LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
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>
>                Irene, thank you!
>
>                This is a wonderful story - and considering it's your
first
>fanfic it
>                is truly excellent. As Phil said, the plotting and
structure
>is
>                extremely good, and as for the suspense... well, I had
>absolutely no
>                idea what was going to happen until the very last page.
>
>                And the emotional impact was huge, as well.
>
>                It's after 8pm here, I'm still in my office - I should
have
>left at
>                least an hour ago. The reason I didn't is that I
started
>reading
>                Firestorm and couldn't stop. *That's* how good it is.
>
>                Well done, Irene, and a sequel, please!!
>
>                Wendy
>                ----------------------
>                Wendy Richards
>                w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk

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In a message dated 99-04-01 12:33:16 EST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Up until a month ago, I had no desire to write! >>

And now you have all sorts of people you didn't know demanding that you
write
more!!

--Laurie
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From: LabRat

>Now, funny you should mention that, Peggy <g> I'd be real interested to
hear
>the answer to this myself. Never been pregnant (got no intentions either
><g>), but I can say that hormonal changes definitely affect *my* writing
>abilities.
>
Hmmm, that's really fascinating--kinda scary, too -- think of how much we're
under the influence of chemicals in our brains!  (Does this mean that
hormones--or lack of them-- *cause* inspiration?  ;-)

I wonder how many other writers notice day-to-day (or even hour-to-hour)
differences in
creative/writing ability?

I have difficulty writing in the mornings & afternoons.  In college, when
trying to write research papers, I found that I could sit and twiddle my
pencil all day and not come up with a coherent sentence until evening.  I
thought at the time that it was just because I was a world-class
procrastinator who needed the imminent deadline to spur me to write, but
now, after having the experience of trying to write *every day*, I've
realized that there's something else going on.  I just can't seem to focus
in the early part of the day, then in late afternoon, there is an almost
audible CLICK in my brain and suddenly the ideas and words start to flow.
And the later it gets, the easier it gets.

Peggy,
enjoying fanfiction more than any bookstore/bought fiction in the last 20
years (and
hoping to change the "bought" part of that sentence when the fanzine comes
out!)
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>From: No Name Available <Larus2407@AOL.COM>
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>In a message dated 99-04-01 12:33:16 EST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM
writes:
>
><< Up until a month ago, I had no desire to write! >>
>
>And now you have all sorts of people you didn't know demanding that you
write
>more!!

>>--Laurie

I know I do!! And I have *no* idea what to write about!!!

Irene

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> >In a message dated 99-04-01 12:33:16 EST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM
> writes:
> >
> ><< Up until a month ago, I had no desire to write! >>
> >
> >And now you have all sorts of people you didn't know demanding that you
> write
> >more!!
>
> >>--Laurie
>
> I know I do!! And I have *no* idea what to write about!!!
>
> Irene
>

We'd probably be happy with further adventures of Jimmy and Lee
as they travel through time.  Does that help kick start the creative
juices?

Mark
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At 05:17 PM 4/1/1999 -0800, Eileen B wrote:
>The problem
>arises when it comes to writing them down.  I want to get them down on
paper
>so quickly that I don't pay as much attention to things like grammar and
>punctuation as I should do.  It's not that I'm bad at these things, it's
>just my brain is working quicker than my fingers!

<g>  Yep, that just about sums it up for me;)

>One thing I don't have a great problem with is spelling - as I have always
>been very good at spelling since I first learned how to read and write but
I
>know what James means about phonetics - you often have words that you know
>sound okay but when it comes to writing them down they never seem to be
>quite right and you have to re-think whole sentences and sometimes even
>whole paragraphs.

I find the inline spellchecker (the one that underlines the 'mis-spelled'
words in the text as you type) a life saver!  Also, WP8 has this nifty
feature that allows instant thesaurus checking (it's a drop-down list of
alternate words for the word you have your pointer on) which I use
constantly for inspiration:) (if not for selecting another alternate word
because I've used "special" three times in the same sentence<g>)

I'm not sure what I'd do if I didn't have these features<g>  (But, on the
other hand I hate QuickCorrect, it just annoys the heck out of me;)

BTW I "can't" write new material if I'm not at my keyboard.  i.e. I never
write new parts of the story using pen and paper.

As a result, I store the new inspirations somewhere in the back of my mind
until I get to my keyboard, ready to write.  It usually works out fine,
because by the time I get to my keyboard I've identified the major
plot-holes and I can fix them as I write:)  Does anyone else have this
"problem"?

Margaret
Procrastinating again!  I gotta stop *doing* that;)
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Greetings from Canada.

I sent you a private email yesterday but it came back - wrong addy.  so
I will just post it here and add my 2 cents to the discussion of what to
write about now.

First of all, I really enjoyed the story.  I thought it was really
well-written and also the interaction between the characters was great.
But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle.

How about a story of in Lee's time period where she meets a descendant
of Jimmy's?  Or even time travel with Lee and Jimmy.

I am sure if you wait long enough, enough people on this list will give
you some good ideas on what to write.

Sue
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> >And now you have all sorts of people you didn't know demanding that yo=
u
> write
> >more!!
>
> >>--Laurie
>
> I know I do!! And I have *no* idea what to write about!!!
>
> Irene
>

Maybe we should have a site dedicated to fic ideas, like the X-Philes do.=
 Or
do we and I'm just behind the times?

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Irene,
Wow!  What a great first effort.  Firestorm was terrific.  Add me to the
list
of people who stayed up late in order to finish it.  (Good thing today was
the
last day before spring break.)  The plot, characterizations, everything were
extremely well done.  Can't wait to see your next story.

Ann
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An OKI Folcfest couls be lots of fun.  Until yesterday I didn't even know if
there were any other Folcs in this neck of the woods.

Who is a good organizer?

Ann
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In a message dated 4/1/99 5:29:22 PM EST, smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>

No imagination needed <g>, just rewatch the Lex Files episodes.....Superman
meets Dr Klein outside to ask about the possibility of producing a child
with
an earth woman.  Dr. Klein is sitting on his motorcycle.
I thought this was a great reminder of what a lovable character Dr Klein
was.
 Many thanks, Irene for a heartwarming story.   I was very intrigued by the
character interaction, and plotline.
How about a story about the twins growing up?
Kate
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I'm in this neck of the woods. If I didnt have a
full time job, I'd be all for it. However, if a about
3 or 4 of us could get together, it would be a maybe.
Email me privately.

At 05:55 PM 4/1/99 EST, you wrote:
>An OKI Folcfest couls be lots of fun.  Until yesterday I didn't even know
if
>there were any other Folcs in this neck of the woods.
>
>Who is a good organizer?
>
>Ann
>

farah :)
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Margaret wrote:

>BTW I "can't" write new material if I'm not at my keyboard.  i.e. I never
>write new parts of the story using pen and paper.
>
>As a result, I store the new inspirations somewhere in the back of my mind
>until I get to my keyboard, ready to write.  It usually works out fine,
>because by the time I get to my keyboard I've identified the major
>plot-holes and I can fix them as I write:)  Does anyone else have this
>"problem"?
>
Not this problem as such for me, Margaret. But similar. I never really
*think* of touching pen to paper these days - I've been so inured to using
first typewriters and then PCs right from the start that by this time it
just doesn't occur to me that there's anything else to grab when inspiration
strikes. Oh, how often I've sat here at my desk like a cat on hot needles
waiting for the PC to fire up so that I can jot down the ideas that I've
just had (usually just as I slip into sleep. <g>). I have two notepads
sitting here, but it never enters my head to grab them and scribble as I do.

I do know that I've used PCs for so long that I'm almost incapable of
writing manually at all now. I end up with writer's cramp within about three
paragraphs. Sad but true.

Reading about all these little quirks reminds me of Stephen King talking
about writing novels under his alias, Richard Bachman. I can't recall the
specifics but I think it was black graphic pencils. As himself, King typed
all of his manuscripts. But Bachman would only use black graphic pencils and
handwrite them. King couldn't explain this phenomenon. He only knew that
that was the way Bachman wrote and if he tried to buck Richard he couldn't
write a word.

Spooky, Mulder.

LabRat :)
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Sue wrote:

>First of all, I really enjoyed the story.  I thought it was really
>well-written and also the interaction between the characters was great.
>But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle.
>
You never got the chance to see S4's FTASV, did you, Sue? ;) Bernie is a
member of the LabRats Motorcycle Club and he looks kinda cute in black
leather. <g>

LabRat (who'd join, but whose legs are too short to reach the pedals.)
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You know, I try to post this everyonce in a while (new people join the list
all of the time) but I wanted to let you folcs know that all of the cool
stories that are posted here are also available at:

http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html

I hope most of you have a browser because its a great way to catch any
thread you may have missed. Its also great in case you don't want to deal
with any of the mail. However, don't everyone unsubscribe at once! I still
need folcs here to post!
farah

farah :)
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>Greetings from Canada.

Greetings to you from Canada too! (Southwestern Ontario, to be more
precise)
>
>I sent you a private email yesterday but it came back - wrong addy.  so
>I will just post it here and add my 2 cents to the discussion of what
to
>write about now.
>
>First of all, I really enjoyed the story.  I thought it was really
>well-written and also the interaction between the characters was great.
>But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle.

There actually is a 4th season episode that shows Dr. Klein on a
motorbike - I can't remember which one unfortunately but I'm sure there
is someone out there who does know.
>
>How about a story of in Lee's time period where she meets a descendant
>of Jimmy's?  Or even time travel with Lee and Jimmy.

Actually, inspiration struck today.  I think I have an idea of what I'll
be writing next.
>
>I am sure if you wait long enough, enough people on this list will give
>you some good ideas on what to write.

>Sue
Lots of people are making excellent suggestions to me. Thank you,
everyone.

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Here I am, adding my two cents again.

Margaret Brignell and Labrat both wrote that they only write on the PC.
I am quite different.

I like to do all my plotting with a pen and paper.  I don't work out all
the details, but I do end up with a general description of where I'm
going.  I wrote a number of sections of Firestorm while I was in various
locations ie. waiting at the doctor's office, waiting for my daughter to
finish her horseback riding lesson, or waiting for both my son and
daughter to finish their judo lesson.

Like Eileen B., I didn't worry too much about punctuation and grammar
but, every day, before I wrote anything new, I would reread the previous
day's work, edit it myself, and correct the really glaring errors.

I guess we all have quite different perspectives on the same activity.

Take care,
Irene
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Hi!!
   I was on this list before, and I just re-signed up.  My name is Erin, and
I'm a HUGE FoLC!! It's my life ;)  I just wanted to say Hi, and that I am
willing to write a RR Fic with someone!! So if you are interested, just
e-mail me privately!
  Thankyou ;)
   Erin
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--- No Name Available  wrote:
>I suffer from reader's
> hangover.. it can either be good
> or bad.  I will experience the same emotions the
> characters did.. and I will
> feel them for quite a while! <G>

I agree totally.  There are days when the Dawning
series seems more real than my life.  (Of course, I'm
going through a pretty stressful time at work, so it's
probably the closest thing I can find to escapist
literature.)
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--- Phillip Atcliffe  wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:10:48 PST irene d
> <sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > "Lois!" he rolled his eyes. "Leave those two
alone.
> We finally
> managed to get together. They can, too! After all,
> would you have been
> grateful for the help if someone had tried with us?"
> <
>
> Hey! I won a Kerth for that story! <bg>

LOL, Phil.  And congratulations on the Kerth.  You
certainly had my vote.<G>
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> > --- Peggy Mueller  wrote:
> > > Something I read recently raised this question
> for
> > > me--do writers create
> > > their stories by picturing scenes in their
> > > imaginations and "translating"
> > > the pictures into words, or do they form the
> scenes
> > > in words that somehow
> > > coalesce into stories?  I'd really like to hear
> > from
> > > you writers on this
> > > question!

Peggy,
After reading so many of the other responses, I'm
beginning to feel that my auditory writing style is
rather unique.

It got me to wondering how other writers work.  My
husband usually writes one or two sentences at a time.
I, however, usually do my best work as I'm supposed to
falling asleep or in the shower when I'm supposed to be
waking up (My best shower work leaves me with **VERY**
high water bills and wrinkly, pruned-up skin.  By the
time I commit my work to paper, I usually have at least
several paragraphs--if not a page or two--written in my
head.

Well, how much do you guys write at any given time?
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In a message dated 4/1/99 4:29:18 PM Central Standard Time,
smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>

Ack!  Get thyself to: http://www.actwd.com/zoomway/labrats.htm

Zoomway@aol.com (love that guy -- the episode was Shadow of a Doubt, btw ;)
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<<<< Also, has anyone related fluctuations in their creative or writing
abilities to hormonal or chemical changes. >>>>

< Now, funny you should mention that, Peggy <g> I'd be real interested to
hear
the answer to this myself. Never been pregnant (got no intentions either
<g>), but I can say that hormonal changes definitely affect *my* writing
abilities. >

Never been pregnant either, but I remember reading a book where Madeleine
L'Engle (author of lots of books, the most famous being A Wrinkle in Time)
said
that she couldn't write productively when she was pregnant. She attributed
it
not to hormones but to creativity. She said she was already being creative,
creating her child, and couldn't manage any more creativity ;)

<<<< Does consumption of coffee and other caffeinated beverages, or use of
nicotine affect story-writing?  What about chocolate?  ;-) >>>>

Don't smoke and the only caffeine I consume is in chocolate, which
definately
helps me write ;) Seriously, I seem to get my best ideas when I don't have
time
to write (ie, when I have an exam the next day or when my computer is in the
shop). I've tried writing using a pen & paper (which I normally use to get
ideas straight in my head sometimes even when my computer is working) but I
find I can't write fast enough!

<< All of this talk about meeting online friends has made me curious -- has
there ever been a FolcFest in the Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana region? >>

A few days ago, Kathy mentioned a Great Lakes folcfest. Wouldn't this
encompass
at least the Indiana & Ohio part of OKI? (Though, being an Ohioan, the more
fests in my area, the better chance I'd be able to attend one sometime.)

<< maybe they don't want to make the sacrafices their father did in terms of
being a Superhero. It's not so black and white.  It's not really about
choosing
to help or not to help people.  It's about choosing a way of life, for there
are many ways to help people, not just the way Superman does. In other
words,
is the pressure of being Superman's son or daughter a "way of life
sentence?"
Does this child have a choice?  (I wonder if anyone could write a good
rebellion fanfic.) >>

I also tried to address some of those topics in a fic I wrote a while back,
though I'm sure my character was really a rebel. It's called Emptiness in
Harmony and it's in the archive. Though in my story, the "rebel" was older
than
Jonny (she was 17). Whether it was "a good rebellion fanfic" I'll leave up
to
you to decide ;) Just bare in mind it was written a (relatively) long time
ago.

<< As for weaknesses in the story, there really weren't any.  But, I think
something was missing.  For instance, the last time we saw Lois and Clark,
they
had just become parents.  In this opening story, several months have passed
and
Lois, especially, seems very comfortable as a parent. The only issues she
appears to have are over childcare problems, which, granted, isn't a small
problem.  However, considering all we've come to know about Lois over the
years, I felt cheated a little at not seeing some of the initial "struggle."
>>

I agree that it would've been nice to see some of Lois and Clark's struggle
with parenthood. Many fanfics end with their child's birth and we never get
to
see that. I'm not a parent, but I'm sure that a lot of doubts surface if
you're
met with an accusation like Lois and Clark were. However, when I read it, I
chalked it up to wanting to stay current with the timeline, not 3-4 months
behind, ie, so that a Christmas episode could be written during the holiday
season.

<< But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>

As many people have mentioned, you don't need to imagine very far, but the
part
I had trouble seeing (actually, hearing) was Dr Klein calling Lee (or anyone
besides *maybe* a wife) terms of endearment sucha as "sweetie" and
"darling."
It didn't really seem in character to me, but then I thought perhaps he had
changed over the years, but I think if he had, this could've been shown, so
that the audience knows he changed. We know he changed in some ways, but he
still didn't seem to be the kind of guy who would say "sweetie" to his
granddaughter, IMO.

Actually, there was another thing that stretched my credibility just a bit-
Lee
being 20 and finishing up a doctorate in genetics. If someone were to go to
grad school right after finishing their undergrad, they'd be approx 26 when
finishing their PhD, depending on how long it takes. It's really
*incredibly*
rare for someone to be finishing a PhD at 20!! I'm not saying it couldn't
happen, because I'm sure it has, it's just really hard to believe that Lee
could be that smart. It would be more believable if she were finishing her
undergrad work at 20; this is also early, but not unbelievably so.

Since I've given two sorta criticisms of the story, I have to also add my
favorite two lines, since i thought overall this was a good story, based on
a
clever idea.

<<< Exasperated, she pulled out a pair of black high-heeled leather boots.
"It's a good thing I can fly.  I'd never be able to walk in these," >> and--

<<< Firestorm took a deep breath.  "Jimmy, would you like to go flying with
me?" "Oh, is that what they're calling it these days?" >>> LOL!

-Christy
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Hey Christy,

Thanks for the feedback.

There is a valid reason that Dr. Klein calls Lee "sweetie" in my story.
That's the way *I* talk.  I call my husband that, I call my kids that, I
call my kids' friends "sweetie" too! I tend to use a lot of verbal
endearments for those people who are near and dear to me so this is the
way I pictured Dr. Klein.

As far as the doctorate, does anyone remember the show "Doogie Howser,
M.D."?  This popped into my mind when I was trying to figure out if Lee
was a doctor or not.  I figured if an ordinary garden-variety genius
could enter med school at 16 or 17, then Lee with her brilliance mixed
with her superpowers could graduate early!

I very much appreciate your criticism, Christy.  It shows that I've made
you think about this story.

Thank you,
Irene

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><<<< Also, has anyone related fluctuations in their creative or writing
>abilities to hormonal or chemical changes. >>>>
>
>< Now, funny you should mention that, Peggy <g> I'd be real interested
to hear
>the answer to this myself. Never been pregnant (got no intentions
either
><g>), but I can say that hormonal changes definitely affect *my*
writing
>abilities. >
>
>Never been pregnant either, but I remember reading a book where
Madeleine
>L'Engle (author of lots of books, the most famous being A Wrinkle in
Time) said
>that she couldn't write productively when she was pregnant. She
attributed it
>not to hormones but to creativity. She said she was already being
creative,
>creating her child, and couldn't manage any more creativity ;)
>
><<<< Does consumption of coffee and other caffeinated beverages, or use
of
>nicotine affect story-writing?  What about chocolate?  ;-) >>>>
>
>Don't smoke and the only caffeine I consume is in chocolate, which
definately
>helps me write ;) Seriously, I seem to get my best ideas when I don't
have time
>to write (ie, when I have an exam the next day or when my computer is
in the
>shop). I've tried writing using a pen & paper (which I normally use to
get
>ideas straight in my head sometimes even when my computer is working)
but I
>find I can't write fast enough!
>
><< All of this talk about meeting online friends has made me curious --
has
>there ever been a FolcFest in the Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana region? >>
>
>A few days ago, Kathy mentioned a Great Lakes folcfest. Wouldn't this
encompass
>at least the Indiana & Ohio part of OKI? (Though, being an Ohioan, the
more
>fests in my area, the better chance I'd be able to attend one
sometime.)
>
><< maybe they don't want to make the sacrafices their father did in
terms of
>being a Superhero. It's not so black and white.  It's not really about
choosing
>to help or not to help people.  It's about choosing a way of life, for
there
>are many ways to help people, not just the way Superman does. In other
words,
>is the pressure of being Superman's son or daughter a "way of life
sentence?"
>Does this child have a choice?  (I wonder if anyone could write a good
>rebellion fanfic.) >>
>
>I also tried to address some of those topics in a fic I wrote a while
back,
>though I'm sure my character was really a rebel. It's called Emptiness
in
>Harmony and it's in the archive. Though in my story, the "rebel" was
older than
>Jonny (she was 17). Whether it was "a good rebellion fanfic" I'll leave
up to
>you to decide ;) Just bare in mind it was written a (relatively) long
time ago.
>
><< As for weaknesses in the story, there really weren't any.  But, I
think
>something was missing.  For instance, the last time we saw Lois and
Clark, they
>had just become parents.  In this opening story, several months have
passed and
>Lois, especially, seems very comfortable as a parent. The only issues
she
>appears to have are over childcare problems, which, granted, isn't a
small
>problem.  However, considering all we've come to know about Lois over
the
>years, I felt cheated a little at not seeing some of the initial
"struggle." >>
>
>I agree that it would've been nice to see some of Lois and Clark's
struggle
>with parenthood. Many fanfics end with their child's birth and we never
get to
>see that. I'm not a parent, but I'm sure that a lot of doubts surface
if you're
>met with an accusation like Lois and Clark were. However, when I read
it, I
>chalked it up to wanting to stay current with the timeline, not 3-4
months
>behind, ie, so that a Christmas episode could be written during the
holiday
>season.
>
><< But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>
>
>As many people have mentioned, you don't need to imagine very far, but
the part
>I had trouble seeing (actually, hearing) was Dr Klein calling Lee (or
anyone
>besides *maybe* a wife) terms of endearment sucha as "sweetie" and
"darling."
>It didn't really seem in character to me, but then I thought perhaps he
had
>changed over the years, but I think if he had, this could've been
shown, so
>that the audience knows he changed. We know he changed in some ways,
but he
>still didn't seem to be the kind of guy who would say "sweetie" to his
>granddaughter, IMO.
>
>Actually, there was another thing that stretched my credibility just a
bit- Lee
>being 20 and finishing up a doctorate in genetics. If someone were to
go to
>grad school right after finishing their undergrad, they'd be approx 26
when
>finishing their PhD, depending on how long it takes. It's really
*incredibly*
>rare for someone to be finishing a PhD at 20!! I'm not saying it
couldn't
>happen, because I'm sure it has, it's just really hard to believe that
Lee
>could be that smart. It would be more believable if she were finishing
her
>undergrad work at 20; this is also early, but not unbelievably so.
>
>Since I've given two sorta criticisms of the story, I have to also add
my
>favorite two lines, since i thought overall this was a good story,
based on a
>clever idea.
>
><<< Exasperated, she pulled out a pair of black high-heeled leather
boots.
>"It's a good thing I can fly.  I'd never be able to walk in these," >>
and--
>
><<< Firestorm took a deep breath.  "Jimmy, would you like to go flying
with
>me?" "Oh, is that what they're calling it these days?" >>> LOL!
>
>-Christy
> kubitc@kenyon.edu

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I found a typo on the Klein page, but fixed it. Never put up a page without
your editor reading it first <g>

Zoomway@aol.com (Klein, my big strong science man ;)
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I've got a "reader's hangover" problem of my own.  If I read anything
for a long period of time, I'll start thinking and even speaking in that
writing style.  Now this can be problem.  For example, this morning I
read an autobiography.  For the rest of the day, I was putting
*everything* into my own, mental autobiography.

L&C puts me into third person and extreme WAFF mode.  Doesn't bother me
a bit as long as I'm not speaking, but I've learned to keep my mouth
shut for about a half an hour after reading any fanfic.

And I won't even go into what happens when I read Shakespeare.  I've
gotten some pretty strange looks at school for that one.

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At 4:58 PM -0800 4/1/99, Elisabeth wrote:

>Well, how much do you guys write at any given time?

Oh, boy, loaded question. <g>  The answer depends on how my 'muse' is
doing.  There are times when I have to force myself to just *look* at a
story for a short time everyday, to keep it fresh. Those days, I don't do
much writing, but as an editor, I make a lot of changes.  Then there are
other stretches when the words flow.

My nfic "Giving Thanks" was basically written in one sitting and it's 59 K.
(What's that, about 20 pages?)  The story I wrote for the upcoming fanzine,
I wrote in 2 hours last Mother's Day when my husband took our daughter out
for the day to give me uninterupted time to do whatever I wanted (now
*that's* a present! LOL!)  It's about 35 K, or 12 pages in my word
processor. (And jumping  briefly into the "visual dreams" discussion, I'm
in that camp--the climax scenes of both of these stories came to me in a
dream/daydream and I just wrote down what I "saw" and wrapped a story
around it. :))  The S5 episode "A Flickering Flame" was written in 2.5
days--130 K.  I never knew I could write like that, and it's not an
experience I'd care to repeat (stressful is an understatment), but man, did
I feel good when it was all done. It was like being told you were going to
run a marathon with no warning, then not only finishing, but placing. :)

Now, lest you think I can always write like that <g>, let's compare that to
"Winners" which was written in 3 phases over about a year (238 K), and of
course, the story Demi and I have been writing for the last 3 years. LOL!
We make these great leaps on it, 100 K or more, then it sits for months and
months until we have time for it again.

Weighing in on the pen and paper debate, about 2 years ago, I was in the
camp that *couldn't* write without a keyboard.  Then one week I was
visiting my parents and had an scene idea for a story I was working on, and
knew I better get it down before I lost it altogether.  It was really
difficult for me to write it down--I actually felt extremely
self-conscious!  Even though it was only my eyes that were looking at it, I
felt very awkward writing things down.  I had to practically close my eyes
to get started. <g>  But once I got over that hump, it came a lot easier.

I still do 99% of my writing on the keyboard, but if I have an idea for a
scene, I can now sketch it out on paper.  Of course, it reads more like
notes. Something like,

>>>>>
Lois, reading a magazine (Parenting?) in bed: "Did you lock up?"

Clark, smiling at her from the bedroom doorway:  "Mmm hmm."  Clark gets
into bed, sweetly kissing Lois's tummy (the baby) and saying "goodnight",
then when he has her attention, raises his lips to hers and tells her the
same.
<<<<<<

For this story ("Through The Looking Glass"), my notes continued from
there, written more in script form than actual prose, until I had the
dialogue for the scene completed.  In this case, I was in bed with a 102
degree fever but in my delirium <g>, the entire answer to my question "how
do I incorporate our L&C into the Alt Ep?" sprang into my head and I just
*had* to write it down.  (Though it was hard writing on my side. The pen
kept losing ink upside down. <vbg>)

Once I recovered enough to hit the keyboard, what actually came from those
notes was this:

>>>>
Clark Kent entered the bedroom to find his wife, Lois Lane, already in bed.
She had several pillows supporting her back as she leaned against the
headboard, a current issue of "Your Baby" magazine perched on her
pregnancy-swollen belly.

"Did you lock up?" she asked absently, engrossed in her article.

"Mm-hmm," he nodded, smiling at her warmly. He could never get enough of
looking at her ... at them. His family.

Clark sat on his side of the bed. He raised Lois's pajama top off her
stomach, careful not to disturb the magazine she was reading. Eyes fixed on
her stomach, a soft smile on his lips, he rubbed one hand tenderly over the
firm roundness that contained their child. Clark lowered his lips to her
skin, placed a gentle kiss to her tummy, and whispered, "Goodnight, honey."

Lois set her magazine down on the night stand and watched her husband with
tender amusement.

Knowing he was being watched, Clark now shifted his attention up to his
wife. Lifting his head to hers, he kissed her mouth in the same lingering,
loving way, and whispered again, "Goodnight, honey."
<<<<<

(From "Through The Looking Glass")

As you can see, the pen/paper just got the outline down, but when I type,
the actual emotions and descriptions are free to play out.

Both pen/paper and the keyboard are tools I use differently--there have
been many a night when I've had an idea at 3 am that I just had to write
down lest I lose it.  I wouldn't take the time to boot up the computer, but
I will pad downstairs to the computer room, pull out a piece of paper and a
pen, and start scribbling.  Only when I've finished the scene does my mind
slow down enough for me to actually try sleeping again. :)  I've found
these notes, while not complete as you can see above, jog my memory enough
when I actually do sit down at the computer that I can recreate what I
"saw" when I took the notes.

Now these are the kind of discussions I look forward to on this list. :)

Kathy (ok, break's over ... back to the taxes ;))

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In a message dated 99-04-01 20:49:54 EST, you write:
Irene said:

<< I figured if an ordinary garden-variety genius
 could enter med school at 16 or 17, then Lee with her brilliance mixed
 with her superpowers could graduate early! >>

You make a valid point, Irene.  I mean Lois and Clark were obviously smart
and all, but they both went through their schooling at normal rates.  Why
not
have one superchild be incredibley smart and go through school *super* fast!
;)

Alexis ;-.)
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Hey Folcs :-)
I have no idea about the different accents in the US, even if I can hear the
difference between people from Texas to people from NY (it's not *that*
difficult
to hear that isn't it <g>?), but I can hear some very Deanish
pronounciations. I
don't know though if they're caused by a Californian accent or just typical
Dean
:-)

I always say that if someone called me pretending he was Dean Cain, I would
let
him say "Because the fox is on the loose" and I would instantly know if that
someone was an imposter or the real guy <g>. I'm sure nobody else could
pronnounce "because", "fox" and "loose" like that!

I also notice that he slurs the words together a little bit and that his
pronounciation in general is very "smooth", without hard consonants and long
vowels (?). Nice!!!!

take care
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I meant to post a reply to the list  last night - it is 8:45 am here in
Toronto - but had to share it with my husband  LOL

As soon as someone mentioned the 4th year ep where Supers asked the good
doctor about running tests, I remember the scene quite well.

Thanks again for you guys setting me straight re that.

I have enjoyed the fanfic very much where you guys have given Dr. Klein
a life outside the lab - even given him a descendant in the future.
Even paired him off with the doctor that Lois and Clark both saw.  Her
name escapes me.

There is life beyond the lab.  LOL

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I have enjoyed this thread about fan fiction and whether or not people
picture it in their minds before getting it down on paper.

I have been "writing" for about 30 years, since my early teens.  Now I
am giving my age away.  I did not have very many friends in school -
grammar, high, college - and so my imagination became my best friend.
Even now I think of some of the things I wrote/imagined and it passed
the time.

I have been writing one fan fic since November - A TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE
HEART - and was looking at it the other day and was surpised at how much
I had actually done.

As for a certain time each day, well, I have to to share this puter with
my husband and kids so I usually just write then I get some inspiration
and have the puter all to myself.

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<< As far as the doctorate, does anyone remember the show "Doogie Howser,
M.D."?  This popped into my mind when I was trying to figure out if Lee
was a doctor or not.  I figured if an ordinary garden-variety genius could
enter med school at 16 or 17, then Lee with her brilliance mixed with her
superpowers could graduate early! >>

A question and a comment. First, do you mean for Lee to be a medical doctor,
or
a PhD (doctor of philosophy) in science? In the beginning, I was under the
impression that she was a medical doctor, but then I seem to remember there
being something in the story that said she wasn't very adept or comfortable
with dealing with patients (or maybe I am just imagining this.) Anyway, by
the
end of the story, I thought she must be a PhD. Now I'm not sure. It doesn't
make a big difference to the story, but I think it's more likely for a PhD
to
specialize in genetics as Lee does. Medical doctors usually specialize in
actual medical disciplines, such as pediatrics, orthopedics, etc. Also,
people
do get into areas of research in different ways, but often doctors who want
to
be researchers (as opposed to concentrating in patient care) in something
like
genetics might have both an MD/PhD, which takes a LONG time.

Now the comment- I know there have been young doctors (and I don't want to
belabor the point), but... I know a few "ordinary garden variety geniuses."
(I
was lucky to be able to attend high school with some very smart people.) By
ordinary, I mean that these people would be classified as "genius" by a
standardized test such as the Stanford-Binet, which, I believe defines
"genius"
as having an IQ of 150. (The actual number depends on which test you take.
Stanford-Binet is just one type.) I don't meant "genius" as in Einstein.
(Although, now it occurs to me that maybe you do mean "genius as in
Einstein"
for Lee.) The smartest of these people skipped 8th grade and attends an Ivy
League school, from which he'll be graduating on time. As will his sister,
another "genius."

It's likely that superpowers give Lee a great advantage in things like
decreasing study time since she can read so fast. (I seem to remember other
fanfics where Lois and Clark have "genius" children.) It just surprised me
that
she would be *so* accelerated. Many parents wouldn't want a "genius" child
to
be accelerated that much since it may have negative repurcussions on his/her
social development. (I think Doogie Houser, though based on a real life, is
quite idealized in his social skills, if I remember the show correctly.
Another
example is on Ally McBeal, where there is a 10-year old attorney (I *think*
he's 10) who also has a growth disorder, and cries & has tantrums in court.)

-Christy
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>>  By the
time I commit my work to paper, I usually have at least
several paragraphs--if not a page or two--written in my
head. <<

I can't keep too much in my head at one time before the new stuff crowds
out the old stuff... I have to get it down somewhere.  As to how much I c=
an
write at a time, that totally depends on my level of inspiration and the
lack of outside interruptions.  My husband is very forgiving of my
obsession, but my toddler just doesn't quite understand.

I think the longest session I've had was when I wrote the original
"President Kent".  I was out shopping after work, playing around with the=

idea of Clark as President, looking at pros and cons, and was hit over th=
e
head by inspiration.  I got home and scribbled in a notebook for at least=

an hour, getting it all or mostly finished, then transcribed it into the
computer, revising a bit as I went... the story was pretty much done befo=
re
bedtime.  Mostly, though, I take longer.

PJ

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>> I like to do all my plotting with a pen and paper.  I don't work out a=
ll
the details, but I do end up with a general description of where I'm
going.  I wrote a number of sections of Firestorm while I was in various
locations ie. waiting at the doctor's office, waiting for my daughter to
finish her horseback riding lesson, or waiting for both my son and
daughter to finish their judo lesson. <<

Irene, I can definitely identify with ya here.  I try to keep a notebook =
in
my purse at all times, to jot down dialog or inspiration as they occur to=

me -- just can't always get to the keyboard.  I don't do the majority of =
my
writing on paper, but for me, it's a good way to get things flowing.  =

I spent about two weeks working out the basic plotline of "Crazy For You"=

in my notebook -- it's fun to go back and see some of the early ideas tha=
t
got changed as I went along.  And when I was writing for S5/S6, I started=
 a
lot of scenes in the bathroom <g> sitting on the floor while my son
splashed in the bathtub.  Once I get the scene going, then it's easier to=

sit down at the keyboard.  I also revise as I type it in, so that's a
relatively pain-free way to get a second draft.

Word processing programs are *wonderful* and I adore them (I have several=

<g>) but I refuse to give up my notebooks...

PJ

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"And I don't know why we even bothered with childbirth classes,
because obviously I'm never going to actually give birth!"
--Lois in "It's Time", ep 22 of S5
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In a message dated 99-04-02 11:59:12 EST, kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:

<< It just surprised me that
 she would be *so* accelerated. Many parents wouldn't want a "genius" child
to
 be accelerated that much since it may have negative repurcussions on
his/her
 social development.  >>

Well, in Lee's case, I suspected that she'd focused on scholastics and
studying and science and wasn't interested/avoided all the social stuff
anyway. With her skills and inherent "smarts" she could easily have started
college a couple years early, but once there and with no one forcing her not
to, she might well have just pushed and pushed on her studies and totally
ignored everything else.

It's obvious that she had never done well with social development anyway and
so would have easily managed to avoid it in favor of accelerated studies.

Guess, we'll just have to let Irene tell us eventually. <g>

--Laurie
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Mandy-
        I finished reading your new story last night.  I loved it.  You put
lots of touches that add a lot of interest.  Francie's parting words to
Clark
were fun.  The whole scene at Mrs. Wicca's was well crafted.  One could
understand both Clark and Lois's point of view, Clark seeing more to Mrs.
Wicca than Lois.  Her bookshelf made me laugh... Martha Stewart (it takes
one
to know one, LOL) and Lucinda Vane.  What a hoot.  Jonny was tenderly drawn
as a special little fellow with a big concern.  Thanks for one more story to
print up for my extra special archives.
                                        Laurie
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Okay, I surrender!

Lee's degree is obviously a sticking point.  I now have two choices.  I
can rewrite a little of the story to make it clear that she is not
officially a doctor yet, but that she has all the skills and knowledge
already due to her ... special skills.  Or I can just state that the
education system in the States finally received a much needed revamping
and this is why Lee graduated at such a young age!

Seriously, I think I will rewrite a little of this and make it clear
that Lee is brilliant, focused on her studies but hasn't graduated yet.

Take care,
Irene
sirenegold@hotmail.com
sirengold on IRC

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>Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:08:49 EST
>
>In a message dated 99-04-02 11:59:12 EST, kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:
>
><< It just surprised me that
> she would be *so* accelerated. Many parents wouldn't want a "genius"
child to
> be accelerated that much since it may have negative repurcussions on
his/her
> social development.  >>
>
>Well, in Lee's case, I suspected that she'd focused on scholastics and
>studying and science and wasn't interested/avoided all the social stuff
>anyway. With her skills and inherent "smarts" she could easily have
started
>college a couple years early, but once there and with no one forcing
her not
>to, she might well have just pushed and pushed on her studies and
totally
>ignored everything else.
>
>It's obvious that she had never done well with social development
anyway and
>so would have easily managed to avoid it in favor of accelerated
studies.
>
>Guess, we'll just have to let Irene tell us eventually. <g>
>
>--Laurie

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Date:         Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:13:52 EST
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I wrote-
<<<< It just surprised me that she would be *so* accelerated. Many parents
wouldn't want a "genius" child to  be accelerated that much since it may
have
negative repurcussions on his/her social development.  >>>>

Laurie responded-
<< Well, in Lee's case, I suspected that she'd focused on scholastics and
studying and science and wasn't interested/avoided all the social stuff
anyway. With her skills and inherent "smarts" she could easily have started
college a couple years early, but once there and with no one forcing her not
to, she might well have just pushed and pushed on her studies and totally
ignored everything else. It's obvious that she had never done well with
social
development anyway and so would have easily managed to avoid it in favor of
accelerated studies.

Guess, we'll just have to let Irene tell us eventually. <g> >>

I'll leave it to Irene to explain things to us, but I wanted to clarify what
I
said above. (Since I"m leaving for the weekend and want to make sure I'm not
misunderstood.) What Laurie said was pretty much my point-- parents often do
not want their "genius" children to be scholastically accelerated to the
degree
Lee was because they wouldn't want their children to turn out like Lee. It's
not that Lee is a bad person, but it seems that since she has been so
focused
on academics that her social life has taken a back seat. That isn't a
completely horrible thing (heck, I'm probably guilty of that<g>), it's just
that she doesn't seem comfortable socially. (At least that is MHO on the
story.
I'm not sure if that's what Irene intended.) So, if parents realize that, to
exist in this world, their child must have *some* social skills, they may
decide not to accelerate him or her.

And, speed-reader or not, Lee must spend lots of time on academics. Thinking
takes time and, if Clark is any indication, superpowers do not a
superintellect
make. Not that Clark is not intelligent, but he doesn't seem to have
superspeed
in thought. (He didn't immediately figure out how to solve the riddle Zara
and
Ching gave him.)

What I'm trying to say is that my point (in my previous post) was that Lee's
dissinterest in socializing may have been a result of her academic
fast-tracking. Or it may not. But, whichever is the case, people need basic
social skills to survive in this world, and that alone is a reason why
parents
don't academically accelerate their children. (Not that I agree with that
reason, necessarily, I'm just presenting it ;)
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In a message dated 99-04-02 12:55:27 EST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< I
 can rewrite a little of the story to make it clear that she is not
 officially a doctor yet, >>

I thought that was quite clear! She protested when they suggested she go by
DR. Carlyle!

--Laurie
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This may be off topic, but I have found several Christians on the list
and am just wondering if there are any others.  If so, please do not
clog this list saying you are, please email me privately.  Thanks.

Sue
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In a message dated 99-04-02 13:58:37 EST, kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:

<< What I'm trying to say is that my point (in my previous post) was that
Lee's
 dissinterest in socializing may have been a result of her academic
 fast-tracking. >>

See, and I took it the other way. She was so uncomfortable with who she was
and how she didn't "fit in" that she academically fast-tracked herself.

--Laurie
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In a message dated 99-04-02 12:30:44 EST, DUNNFOUR@AOL.COM writes:

<<
 Mandy-
         I finished reading your new story last night. >>

Laurie, Sandy wrote this one. Since there is also a fanfic writer named
Mandy, I could see how you'd confuse the names.

--Laurie (the one Sandy mentioned as being a beta reader for this story)
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In a message dated 4/2/99 10:59:12 AM Central Standard Time,
kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:

<< Also, people
 do get into areas of research in different ways, but often doctors who want
to
 be researchers (as opposed to concentrating in patient care) in something
like
 genetics might have both an MD/PhD, which takes a LONG time. >>

I'd guess that my pal Doctor Klein fits into that category.  He mentions
that
he doesn't do "clinical work" anymore because he's "too blunt", and clinical
work involves patients. So I think he has a medical degree and the only
"patient" he makes an exception for is Superman ;)  As to young doctors,
apparently the current "youngest doctor" on record is Balamurali Ambati of
India, who received his degree at the age of seventeen from Mount Sinai
School of Medicine in New York on May 19,1995.

Then there's Marie Stopes, born in 1880 in Edinburgh Scotland. Her mother,
Charlotte was the first woman in Scotland to be awarded a university
certificate, and the reason it was a "certificate" rather than a "degree" is
because women weren't permitted the award of a degree even if (like
Charlotte) they took the same classes and tests as the male students and
passed. This obviously influenced Marie, who became Britain's youngest
"doctor of science" (of either gender) in 1905.

A kind of funny side note. Marie wrote a book in 1916 titled "Married Life".
A publisher who rejected the manuscript said that it would scare off the
young men returning from the war (W.W.I) who wanted to get married.  What
was
so scary in her book?  It stated that marriage should be a partnership where
the wife and husband have equal say in the marriage.  Now had Clark read
this
before Contact... <g>

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I just started writing my first fanfic ever. I never knew i had such great
ideas. An d I gues you're right, the imagination does become a person's best
friend. I have to write out on a piece of paper before typing it up.
Eventually when I get to the typing I never copy it as I had written. I have
to actually picture what I'm writing if not it's not good enough for me.
I have one question for you Sue, is that story A TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE HEART
going to be posted?

Wendy
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>I have enjoyed this thread about fan fiction and whether or not people
>picture it in their minds before getting it down on paper.
>
>I have been "writing" for about 30 years, since my early teens.  Now I
>am giving my age away.  I did not have very many friends in school -
>grammar, high, college - and so my imagination became my best friend.
>Even now I think of some of the things I wrote/imagined and it passed
>the time.
>
>I have been writing one fan fic since November - A TOTAL ECLIPSE OF THE
>HEART - and was looking at it the other day and was surpised at how much
>I had actually done.
>
>As for a certain time each day, well, I have to to share this puter with
>my husband and kids so I usually just write then I get some inspiration
>and have the puter all to myself.
>
>Sue
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In a message dated 4/2/99 11:55:27 AM CST, sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Seriously, I think I will rewrite a little of this and make it clear
 that Lee is brilliant, focused on her studies but hasn't graduated yet.
  >>

Irene, rewrite this if you want to....but ONLY if you are doing it for you.
This is such a small point in such a terrific story, and I hate the idea of
changing your work because some of your readers had a problem with it.

Piper (who is still reeling from having someone else write a sequel to one
of
her stories to......I believe the phrase was 'put things right'...or 'fix
the
ending' or something like that)
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Hi everyone!  I just joined this list a few days ago.  I am a -huge-
FOLC, and I -love- reading fanfic about my favorite couple.  Anyways, I
don't mean to clog up the list, and there is a point to my mearanding..
=)
I am interested in trying my hand at L&C fic.  I don't want to post it
to the list yet since I am very unsatisfied with it. So, I was wondering
if there were any brave souls out there that would like to beta read
some of it for me, and such things.  Any help would be appreicated
greatly.  =)  If you are interested please e-mail me privately at
Bridgid_Leigh@hotmail.com.  Thanks a bundle!!
~~Now back to your regularly secheduled madness~~

Hugs and Kisses!
Bridgid Leigh
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upon them."
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From: PJ Piasecki <PJPiasecki@AOL.COM>
>Irene, rewrite this if you want to....but ONLY if you are doing it for you.
>This is such a small point in such a terrific story, and I hate the idea of
>changing your work because some of your readers had a problem with it.
>

I agree; I haven't been on this list for a terribly long time, but I've been
smiling at the disparate opinions expressed when
authors ask for feedback on their stories.  Some readers remark how much
they detest a scene,
only to have someone else write in and say how much they loved that
very same scene.  I don't think you can please *all* your readers *all* the
time, so unless *everyone*, or almost everyone, hates something, why change
it?

Besides, in the fantasy world of Lois and Clark, where a man can fly, see
through
solid objects, catch bullets in his hands, and most amazing of all, disguise
himself by putting on a pair of glasses, who's to say that one of his
descendants can't finish school at a rather early age?  ;-)

Peggy,
wondering if there are any L&CTNAOS eps on which FOLC's are in total
agreement...
gremlino@pathway.net
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Like everyone else, I want to say thank you for the Kerths.  The
Kerth Awards Ceremony this year was awesome, in all the depth and
breath of that word's true meaning. It ran smoothly, was delightful,
and provided us all with a wonderful excuse for reading fanfiction
and enjoying our beloved Lois & Clark.  My thanks to all who worked
so hard for them.

That said...

> Date:          Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:14:58 EST
> From:          The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM>
> Subject:       Re: Kerth Awards

> I think one big difference is that last year there were stories and
authors
> that covered about four years worth of fanfic <g>  Stories written as far
back
> as 1994 were competing with 95, 96 and 97 stories ;) This year, with the
> Kerths caught up, only stories that appeared in 98 were eligible.

In future years, we might enjoy another category for nominations and,
hopefully, Awards which would allow us to revisit fanfic which, for
what ever reasons, missed nomination in past years.  Since so many
years of fanfic were compressed into a single year, this kind of
award might not be amiss.

The category might be named:

UnKerthed Classic Fanfic?
Classic Fanfic Revisited?
Kerthable Classics?
Kerthing Enduring Favorites?
Vintage Fanfic?
Lifetime Kerths?

Thanks to all, and congratulations to all the winners, and nominees.

klair El
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Laurie Dunn wrote:
>
> Mandy-
>         I finished reading your new story last night.  I loved it.  You
put
> lots of touches that add a lot of interest.  Francie's parting words to
Clark
> were fun.  The whole scene at Mrs. Wicca's was well crafted.  One could
> understand both Clark and Lois's point of view, Clark seeing more to Mrs.
> Wicca than Lois.  Her bookshelf made me laugh... Martha Stewart (it takes
one
> to know one, LOL) and Lucinda Vane.  What a hoot.  Jonny was tenderly
drawn
> as a special little fellow with a big concern.  Thanks for one more story
to
> print up for my extra special archives.
>                                         Laurie

Mandy, Sandy.  It doesn't matter.  Your words are such a warm embrace on
a day I really needed it that I can't be concerned about my name. The
sentiments are what matter. (Oh, I like Jonny too -- I think more than
Lois and Clark.)

Thanks so much, Laurie.

Sandy  (By the way, it's "Little Man, Super." <g>)
smcdermin@erols.com
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Irene,

I too loved your story and stayed up late to read it.  I am a total lurker,
but decided to come out of hiding to let you know, and ask for a new story!

The story I'd love to see, because I privately wondered about it, would be
about Lee's childhood.  I'd love to see you explore her relationship with
grandpa Clark, and her feelings of alienation, and also see this
relationship from Lois and Clark's point of view, since they already know
Lee as an adult from the past.  Would they have deliberately distanced
themselves from her during her childhood because of that, and contributed to
her feelings of loneliness?  I was wondering about that as I read your very
well written and enjoyable story.

Angela Zavila

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic
> [mailto:LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU]On Behalf Of Kate Crane
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 6:05 PM
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>
>
> In a message dated 4/1/99 5:29:22 PM EST, smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
> << But I cannot imagine Dr. Klein on a motorcycle. >>
>
> No imagination needed <g>, just rewatch the Lex Files
> episodes.....Superman
> meets Dr Klein outside to ask about the possibility of producing
> a child with
> an earth woman.  Dr. Klein is sitting on his motorcycle.
> I thought this was a great reminder of what a lovable character
> Dr Klein was.
>  Many thanks, Irene for a heartwarming story.   I was very
> intrigued by the
> character interaction, and plotline.
> How about a story about the twins growing up?
> Kate
>
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Hi Everyone,

Now that Spring Breal and skip week are over, we hope you can join us week
for our regular fanfic writing session, on Saturday April 3, 1999. This
week's premise:

Lois and Clark decide to spend a few quiet days in Smallville. But their
vacation turns out to be anything but peaceful when Sheriff Rachel Harris
asks for the help of our dynamic duo ;).

We would still like to hear from you if you have any story premises of your
own that you would like us to explore together.  You can either email them
to
me at:

        eraygun@aol.com

Or better still, just bring your ideas with you when you join us this
Saturday or for our weekly "story bouncing" sessions on Wednesdays
on#L&CFicOrg, starting around 9:00 PM EDT.

We generally meet Saturdays starting at 3 PM EDT and try to start writing
fairly soon thereafter.  You can come and join the fun at any time, however.
We are usually there for several hours since writing a story takes time.

Since #L&CFanfic is on occasion "invite only" please message if you want to
join us.  If an official "inviter" is designated, we will let you know.
Some
of us should be hanging out on #Loiscla.

A note on procedure here ;) : When people need to be caught up on the story
in
progress after being bounced off IRC or just joining the session late,
please
try and avoid pasting the story directly into the channel window.  Please do
that in a private message or dcc-chat window instead.

Hope to see you all there!

Cheers,

Eileen
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Date:         Fri, 2 Apr 1999 23:49:55 -0600
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
Subject:      Sequels (was Re: combo: Firestorm, OKI fest...)
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At 5:07 PM -0500 4/2/99, PJ Piasecki wrote:

>Piper (who is still reeling from having someone else write a sequel to one
of
>her stories to......I believe the phrase was 'put things right'...or 'fix
the
>ending' or something like that)

This person did write you for permission, right, Piper?  When they first
submitted the story, I strongly advise they write you first, to at least
let you know it was being written.  I was told that they did that.

This is always such a tricky area.  My personal feeling is that an author
shouldn't write a sequel using another author's characters unless the first
author gives permission, but there are certainly exceptions.  It's such a
gray area.  Sigh.

Kathy

______________________
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kathyb@springnet1.com
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:01:27 -0500
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From:         "Demona (Angel Of The Night)" <nightangel@HOME.COM>
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At 11:49 PM 02/04/99 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote:
>This is always such a tricky area.  My personal feeling is that an author
>shouldn't write a sequel using another author's characters unless the first
>author gives permission, but there are certainly exceptions.  It's such a
>gray area.  Sigh.

I agree, I think it is a very difficult area.  On the one hand, there's a
certain 'unwritten' form of etiquette which suggests that one should ask
for permission to elaborate on another author's work, especially since most
fanfic authors know one another or at least are able to share
correspondence via this forum.

However by the same token, fanfiction's very nature is to take the creative
work/characters/ideas of other (albeit professional) sources and explore
these further.

So the question then becomes, should fanfiction be safeguarded from...
fanfiction? ;)

I won't presume to answer that one, but it does sort of force one to think
about the issue, doesn't it?

Take Care All
Demi
___________________________________________
Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/

"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')

I went to the doctor, I went to the mountain.
I looked to the children, I drank from the fountain.
There's more than one answer to these questions,
pointing me in a crooked line.
The less I seek my source for some definitive
The closer I am to fine.
                - Indigo Girls
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:15:17 EST
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In a message dated 99-03-31 07:59:48 EST, you write:

<< For example, in the first half of Mxysplit >>

Is this fanfic released yet?  Because you have me hooked just with the few
examples you used!!! I would love to read it if it is out in cyberspace
somewhere! ;)

Alexis ;-.)
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:11:04 -0800
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Hello Everyone

A few days ago I read an obituary notice in The Independent newspaper =
(UK) about an actor called Kirk Alyn.  I don't think many of you will =
remember, but he played Superman between 1948 and I think, 1950.  He was =
the first screen Superman playing mostly to Saturday afternoon =
children's matinees.  Kirk Alyn and Noel Neil (who played Lois Lane) =
were cast as Lois Lane's parents in the Superman film starring =
Christopher Reeve, but the scenes were cut from the final version.  The =
scene was recently reintroduced to the television prints of the film but =
I haven't seen that version - maybe some of you have.

What interested me and worried me slightly, was that the notice went on =
to mention something called 'The curse of Superman', mentioning that =
after playing the role, Alyn never worked again (apart from a few cameo =
roles).  It also mentioned George Reeves, Alyn's successor having killed =
himself and of course Christopher Reeves, who was paralysed in that =
awful riding accident.

Do any of you have any comments on this as I had never heard of this so =
called curse - maybe because I don't often read the entertainment =
section of the newspaper and I hardly watch any television.

Kind regards
Eileen B
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notice in The=20
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don't think=20
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think,=20
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Lois=20
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Christopher=20
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was=20
recently reintroduced to the television prints of the film but I haven't =
seen=20
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slightly, was=20
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Superman',=20
mentioning that after playing the role, Alyn never worked again (apart =
>from a=20
few cameo roles).&nbsp; It also mentioned George Reeves, Alyn's =
successor having=20
killed himself and of course Christopher Reeves, who was paralysed in =
that awful=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Do any of you have any comments on =
this as I had=20
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the=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Kind regards</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk">eileen@barnard70.freeser=
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To all=20

I wrote to the UK list to offer some Lois and Clark books that I have to =
get rid of for space reasons.  The books are 'Exile' 'Heat Wave' 'Deadly =
Games' - all by M J Friedman and in paperback and 'Lois & Clark a =
Superman Novel' by C J Cherryh in hardback with the original dust sheet. =
=20

It occurred to me that nobody took me up on my offer because of having =
to give out their private address and I can understand that.  However, I =
am willing to send them to a receiving or Post Office address if that if =
preferred but I'm afraid that it will have to be within the UK of the =
European Union, as the postage could be quite high otherwise.  Please =
EMail me privately if you are interested and let me assure you that I =
will never divulge your address to anybody else and will destroy it as =
soon as the books are despatched.

If anybody is interested I will be able to mail them on Tuesday of next =
week, after the Easter break.

I don't just want to throw these books out and would rather they went to =
someone who would appreciate them.

Let me know if you are interested but I am afraid that it will have to =
be first come, first served.

A Happy Easter to everybody.

Kind regards
Eileen B
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I wrote to the UK list to offer some =
Lois and=20
Clark books that I have to get rid of for space reasons.&nbsp; The books =
are=20
'Exile' 'Heat Wave' 'Deadly Games' - all by M J Friedman and in =
paperback and=20
'Lois &amp; Clark a Superman Novel' by C J Cherryh in hardback with the =
original=20
dust sheet.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>It occurred to me that nobody took =
me up on my=20
offer because of having to give out their private address and I can =
understand=20
that.&nbsp; However, I am willing to send them to a receiving or Post =
Office=20
address if that if preferred but I'm afraid that it will have to be =
within the=20
UK of the European Union, as the postage could be quite high =
otherwise.&nbsp;=20
Please EMail me privately if you are interested and let me assure you =
that I=20
will never divulge your address to anybody else and will destroy it as =
soon as=20
the books are despatched.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If anybody is interested I will be able to mail them =
on=20
Tuesday of next week, after the Easter break.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I don't just want to throw these =
books out and=20
would rather they went to someone who would appreciate =
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Let me know if you are interested =
but I am=20
afraid that it will have to be first come, first served.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A Happy Easter to everybody.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Kind regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Eileen B</FONT></DIV>
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:21:52 -0500
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From:         Sheila Harper <sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US>
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At 03:15 AM 4/3/99 EST, No Name Available wrote:
><< For example, in the first half of Mxysplit >>
>
>Is this fanfic released yet?

Yes, it's on the fanfic archive under Sheila Harper at
http://lcfanfic.actwd.com
or you can find it on Anne's little corner of teh world at
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm

Sheila
sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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In a message dated 4/3/99 5:06:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
eileen@BARNARD70.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes:

<< What interested me and worried me slightly, was that the notice went on
to
mention something called 'The curse of Superman', mentioning that after
playing the role, Alyn never worked again (apart from a few cameo roles).
It
also mentioned George Reeves, Alyn's successor having killed himself and of
course Christopher Reeves, who was paralysed in that awful riding accident.
>>

Well, this is essentially the "Curse of Superman"as anyone knows it.  All of
the above-mentioned actors, having played Superman, were quite unsuccessful
as actors afterwards, either because no one wanted to hire them thinking
they
had been type-cast as Superman, or because no one wanted to hire them
because
they had not shown much depth or range as actors in the roles as written for
them.  I don't believe that any of them had been around a long time before
landing the role of Superman.

 Having recently rented one of the Christopher Reeve Superman movies to
compare to the TV show, I felt that  his acting was stilted and stiff.
(Maybe this is why people frequently compare Al Gore to him in the US.)  I
distinctly remember reading that Dean Cain might be facing the same curse,
although with three movies in production this spring, he may be shaking it.
At the same time, IMHO, he is a much better actor than any of the others to
play Superman, and the role as written in Lois  & Clark allowed him to show
his abilities more than any of his predecessors had.

Ann
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:10:59 PST
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Before I start addressing some of the excellent constructive criticism
that I received for my story, let me start by telling everyone how
gratifying it has been to receive such praise.  I am thrilled and I
haven't stopped grinning from ear to ear for a few days.  I never, ever
imagined receiving this volume of feedback.

That said, I'd like to address the main criticism - that Lee is far too
young to be a doctor.

After reading all the posts about this (both to the list and to me
privately),  I have to agree that this needs to be changed slightly. I
will be rewriting this to reflect that, although Lee is academically
brilliant (intelligence inherited from Dr. Klein), she has not yet done
the clinical work required.  However, I do plan on making it clear that
her knowledge of her subject is superlative and that it is just her age
holding her back.

A number of people also wrote me to say that I shouldn't change
anything, that this is my decision and no one else's how the story
flows, but I want to change this as I don't want anything to interfere
with the flow of the story that could distract the reader.  I can't
remember who said it and I am going to paraphrase but someone once said
something along these lines that I agree with totally.  When a person
reads, they are suspending their "disbelief" and the main task of the
author is to make sure that nothing occurs in the story that will jar
them from that suspension of "disbelief".

It is obvious to me that the above point is exactly what I don't want -
Lee's age and degree (or lack thereof) is enough to distract many of you
>from the rest of the story.

I am very grateful.  This is *exactly* the kind of feedback that I was
looking for when I posted the story to the list.  Thank you everyone for
providing such excellent feedback.

All the best,
Irene
sirenegold@hotmail.com
sirengold on IRC
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 14:48:26 -0500
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>> and this is why Lee graduated at such a young age! <<

You could also make Lee a couple of years older, couldn't you?

>> I took it the other way. She was so uncomfortable with who she was
and how she didn't "fit in" that she academically fast-tracked herself. <=
<

That was how I took it, too. Like Clark, her powers made her feel like an=

outsider. Her way of dealing with that was to immerse herself in her
studies, whereas Clark travelled the globe in search of a place he could
call home. He always yearned to fit in, and I didn't get that feeling abo=
ut
Lee.

I'd love to read about Lee and Jimmy's further adventures. Irene said tha=
t
Herb was "uncle" to generations of Superman descendents, that it was his
"job" to protect them throughout the timeline, and that he was handing th=
is
responsibility over to Jimmy Olsen because he was ready to retire. Think =
of
the possibilities!

Sarah
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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:47:11 PST
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>>> and this is why Lee graduated at such a young age! <<
>
>You could also make Lee a couple of years older, couldn't you?

Thanks for the suggestion, Sarah.  Actually, I want to keep Lee as a
very naive (in social situations) twenty year old - someone who hasn't a
clue how to handle herself outside of school or outside a job.
>
>>> I took it the other way. She was so uncomfortable with who she was
>and how she didn't "fit in" that she academically fast-tracked herself.
<<
>
>That was how I took it, too. Like Clark, her powers made her feel like
an
>outsider. Her way of dealing with that was to immerse herself in her
>studies, whereas Clark travelled the globe in search of a place he
could
>call home. He always yearned to fit in, and I didn't get that feeling
about
>Lee.

Hopefully, people will realize that at the beginning of the story, Lee
is convinced that she will never fit in - except with her Gramps.
>
>I'd love to read about Lee and Jimmy's further adventures. Irene said
that
>Herb was "uncle" to generations of Superman descendents, that it was
his
>"job" to protect them throughout the timeline, and that he was handing
this
>responsibility over to Jimmy Olsen because he was ready to retire.
Think of
>the possibilities!
>
>Sarah

Thanks for the suggestion, Sarah.  I'm wracking my brain for an
interesting situation.

Irene
sirenegold@hotmail.com
sirengold on IRC

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Date:         Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:55:43 EST
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In a message dated 99-04-03 15:47:23 EST, you write:

<< Thanks for the suggestion, Sarah.  Actually, I want to keep Lee as a
 very naive (in social situations) twenty year old - someone who hasn't a
 clue how to handle herself outside of school or outside a job. >>

I feel kind of bad because I still haven't started the story yet.. I haven't
had the time!  But I have been tempted a few times and I have started
reading
and before I know it, I can't put the story down!  Anyways, I thought I
would
put my .02 in on is the fact of Lee.  So far one thing I like about Lee is
her age.  Besides Lois I can also identify with Lee since I too am going
through a transitional period in my life, and I am not sure what is going to
result from it.  I too am also 20 years old, so I DEFINATLEY know where she
is coming from! ;)

Alexis ;-.)
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In a message dated 4/2/99 11:48:13 PM CST, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes:

<< This person did write you for permission, right, Piper?  When they first
 submitted the story, I strongly advise they write you first, to at least
 let you know it was being written.  I was told that they did that.
  >>

No, Kathy, the first I heard of the sequel was when it was mentioned on this
list.  I was a little surprised that I hadn't heard from the author, but
chalked it up to her youth.  Later, of course, I realized that the posted
story has my old e-mail addy on it.  But I'm on this list regularly.

<<This is always such a tricky area.  My personal feeling is that an author
shouldn't write a sequel using another author's characters unless the first
author gives permission, but there are certainly exceptions.  It's such a
gray area.  Sigh.>>

I agree.  My difficulty with the whole thing is not that someone would DARE
<g> to write a sequel to a story of mine.  After all, Lois and Clark
certainly don't belong to me!  And for what it's worth, I thought the story
was really well written.  I would never have thought the author was as young
as she is, and I'd like to see more from her.
No, my problem is with the idea of someone deciding that, since she didn't
like the ending of my story, that it was *wrong*, that it needed to be
*corrected*.  And maybe I'm being a little territorial with my characters
but, by golly, I LIKE Dale.  I think he's strong, loving, and intelligent.
It's not like I had Lois going back to Claude, for goodness sake! <g>

Through venting,
Piper
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>>  In any
case, you're probably in the midst of having or have just had your
baby.  <<

I wish... <sigh>  I'm not even at my due date yet, so I shouldn't
complain, but she got my hopes up last week...

Thanks for posting your comments :-)  Very insightful, as always...

***Spoilers for Season 6, ep 1 to follow***

>> The two things I found to be its greatest strengths were the portrayal=

of Jimmy.  Very well-written.  Seemed true to the character as I
remember him and it was nice to see him given more to do than his usual,
"Gee whiz, CK!" <<

When I first envisioned this plot, it was as a Jimmy-story (based in part=
,
to link this to another current thread, on a dream I'd had about getting
caught up in some sort of labor unrest -- the details changed a lot in th=
e
process of creating a real story, but the emotions were more or less the
same).  I had to throw L&C in there for continuity <g> but I did not want=

them to overpower Jimmy's contributions.

>> The strongest part of the story, however, was its ending.  I truly was=

gripped by the last scene (loved the description of L&C's arrival at
their house and what they found there) and was eager to see what would
come next. Thought this was a wonderful cliffhanger. <<

Thank you ... writing that was one of those terrific times when it
just *flows* ... of course, I'd been pondering that particular scene sinc=
e
the end of S5, when we'd started brainstorming for the season opener, so =
my
brain had had plenty of time to marinate.  (There again, in fact, the
details had changed quite a bit -- my first thought had been to have Mart=
ha
& Jonathan be watching Laura, and for them to be kidnapped -- but the
desired emotional impact was the same)  Anyway, I was quite tense by the
time I finished writing that scene, and *I* knew how it was going to come=

out <g> so I thought that was a good sign.

>>  I think
something was missing.  For instance, the last time we saw Lois and
Clark, they had just become parents.  In this opening story, several
months have passed and Lois, especially, seems very comfortable as a
parent. The only issues she appears to have are over childcare problems,
which, granted, isn't a small problem.  However, considering all we've
come to know about Lois over the years, I felt cheated a little at not
seeing some of the initial "struggle." <<

That's a good point, we could have had some more of that.  In fact,
we'd initially planned for that first episode to actually be *two*
episodes, which would have loosened the timeline somewhat, but as it turn=
ed
out, Barb had mostly a B-plot, and I had mostly an A-plot, so it made mor=
e
sense to combine the two.  And don't forget, we did have some of that
initial adjustment in the opening ep of Season 5, with future-baby...

>> The fact is,
in many situations where people are accused of things which they know
they haven't done, there is always a doubt planted in their minds as to
what they did to create the wrong appearance.  The question always is
"what did *I* do wrong to cause this?" <<

That's very true, and we could have played that aspect up more (there was=

some of that, I think, in the early scene with Lois trying to soothe the
baby and failing...). I think the main reason we didn't was probably that=

there were already a lot of balls to juggle in episode #2, and again, we
had a deadline to work against.  I also tend to think that Clark would ta=
ke
to parenthood like a duck to water, and he'd be good at helping Lois to
find her balance.

>>  In any event, this first episode is my favorite of S6 thus far. <<

That's a lovely compliment, thank you.  Stay tuned, though, we do have
some good ones planned for the rest of the year. :-)

Thanks for posting your comments, Sandy!  I'm sure they'll make it to
the website eventually, but Alyssa is a busy lady so ep reviews are
sometimes rather delayed.  Better the reviews than the episodes, though <=
g>

PJ

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because obviously I'm never going to actually give birth!"
--Lois in "It's Time", ep 22 of S5
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Hey folcs!

For all of you Deborah Joy Levine fans out there she is now producing (I
believe) a series that has been out for a while on Lifetime, "Any Day
Now."  If I do say so myself, I think it is a good show.  Although it
would be like comparing apples and oranges to try to set this show
aganist LnC, I must say that LnC is better.  Then again, we folcs are
biased aren't we.

Sam Marie K.

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relieved only by the love felt between my most favorite fictional couple
in the world."   -Leo

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From:         Debby <debby@SWCP.COM>
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At 04:35 PM 4/1/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>--- No Name Available  wrote:
>>I suffer from reader's
>> hangover.. it can either be good
>> or bad.  I will experience the same emotions the
>> characters did.. and I will
>> feel them for quite a while! <G>
>
>I agree totally.  There are days when the Dawning
>series seems more real than my life.  (Of course, I'm
>going through a pretty stressful time at work, so it's
>probably the closest thing I can find to escapist
>literature.)
>===
>Elisabeth

Thank you, I think :) I'll get back to work on it eventually. I'm working
on something big now.

Debby :)
Debby@swcp.com
*also* reading a bit of work by others, too :)

amendment: I may also be getting a new computer sometime in the near future
and that will slow things down, too... but those Sony Vaios look cool...
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I'm not sure if all of you know or not, but
Futuresport, Best Men, and Tracked are all out on
video. I have only seen them to rent. I got mine to
watch from my local Blockbuster. They are all very
good movies, and a must see for any Dean fan.

Stacy

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Hi All,
I usually don't comment on the list.
I have too much fun just reading and enjoying
this wonderful fandom.  Anyway, this is just a comment
for Irene.  Your story was wonderful.  I thought Lee was like
a young Dougie Houser (I think that's how to spell it.)  Do
you all remember the short lived TV series about a young
man who was a real MD and attending High School as well?
I know, I know- that was TV- but it could work.  I just hate the
idea of Irene changing anything in that well written fic.
I'll just go back and lurk again.
Deborah
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In a message dated 4/3/99 6:02:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<< Thank you, I think :) I'll get back to work on it eventually. I'm working
 on something big now.
  >>
We don't care what you're working on, just please, please write some more!!

Ann
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From:         Gillian B Tanz <aliendove@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Dean movies

When did FutureSport come out?  I had seen previes for it, but I didn't
see it when I was looking for Best Men when it came out, and I never
heard of a release date.
-Jill aka AlienDove-
AlienDove@juno.com
my webpage: http://members.tripod.com/~AlienDove/index.html
The truth is nobody knows how long they've got.   Anyway, it's not years
that count, it's the moments.  Right now, as they happen." - Clark Kent
in "Brutal Youth"~~**~~ "You still my girl?" "Always." - Angel to Buffy
in "Enemies."
On Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:24:33 -0800 Stacy <brocks_babe@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>I'm not sure if all of you know or not, but
>Futuresport, Best Men, and Tracked are all out on
>video. I have only seen them to rent. I got mine to
>watch from my local Blockbuster. They are all very
>good movies, and a must see for any Dean fan.
>
>Stacy
>
>
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On Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:46:45 +0200 NKWolke <NKWolke@T-ONLINE.DE> writes:

>
>I always say that if someone called me pretending he was Dean Cain, I
>would let
>him say "Because the fox is on the loose" and I would instantly know
>if that
>someone was an imposter or the real guy <g>. I'm sure nobody else
>could
>pronnounce "because", "fox" and "loose" like that!
>
Nicole-
I was wondering if you could write out (phoenetically) how you would
expect Dean to say "because the fox is on the loose".  Like some other
FoLCs, I never much noticed Dean's accent, and for some reason I can't
hear in my head how it would sound if he said that phrase.  Guess you've
just got me curious now ;-)
-Jill aka AlienDove-
who loves everything aboout Dean, including his sexy voice <vbg>
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my webpage: http://members.tripod.com/~AlienDove/index.html
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that count, it's the moments.  Right now, as they happen." - Clark Kent
in "Brutal Youth"~~**~~ "You still my girl?" "Always." - Angel to Buffy
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Hey again, Jill,
I think it was released around March 23

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>Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:20:14 -0500
>
>When did FutureSport come out?  I had seen previes for it, but I didn't
>see it when I was looking for Best Men when it came out, and I never
>heard of a release date.
>-Jill aka AlienDove-
>AlienDove@juno.com
>my webpage: http://members.tripod.com/~AlienDove/index.html
>The truth is nobody knows how long they've got.   Anyway, it's not
years
>that count, it's the moments.  Right now, as they happen." - Clark Kent
>in "Brutal Youth"~~**~~ "You still my girl?" "Always." - Angel to Buffy
>in "Enemies."
>On Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:24:33 -0800 Stacy <brocks_babe@YAHOO.COM> writes:
>>I'm not sure if all of you know or not, but
>>Futuresport, Best Men, and Tracked are all out on
>>video. I have only seen them to rent. I got mine to
>>watch from my local Blockbuster. They are all very
>>good movies, and a must see for any Dean fan.
>>
>>Stacy
>>
>>
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That show that the LNC producer -  Deborah Joy Levine - ANY DAY NOW -
that is going to be shown on the Lifetime cable network in the US will
be shown up here in Canada in the Canwest Global network, at least on
the Ontario Global network.

It looks like a good show with Annie Potts

Sue
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>At 11:49 PM 02/04/99 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote:
>>This is always such a tricky area.  My personal feeling is that an author
>>shouldn't write a sequel using another author's characters unless the
first
>>author gives permission, but there are certainly exceptions.  It's such a
>>gray area.  Sigh.
>
>I agree, I think it is a very difficult area.  On the one hand, there's a
>certain 'unwritten' form of etiquette which suggests that one should ask
>for permission to elaborate on another author's work, especially since most
>fanfic authors know one another or at least are able to share
>correspondence via this forum.
>
>However by the same token, fanfiction's very nature is to take the creative
>work/characters/ideas of other (albeit professional) sources and explore
>these further.
>
>So the question then becomes, should fanfiction be safeguarded from...
>fanfiction? ;)
>
>I won't presume to answer that one, but it does sort of force one to think
>about the issue, doesn't it?
>
The significant difference in this case between a regular fanfic and a
fanfic based on a fan writer's characters is the fan writer's proximity to
their fiction. A professional writer doesn't get the same sort of feedback
and interchange with their reader/viewers that a fan writer does. Often,
the professional writer does everything in their power to _avoid_ fan
reaction and fiction, simply because of the legalities involved.

On the other hand, this is the meat and drink of a fan writer- the feedback
and the reaction. The lines between intellectual properties are blurred,
while the lines of communication are much stronger. Fan writers are in the
thick of the writing- communicating with fellow fans about ideas and
thoughts and characters. And while imitation may be the sincerest form of
flattery, many writers feel very protective of their fanfic, they have a
more immediate ownership of it.

This whole topic came up on a fanfic writer's list that I subscribe to, and
the general consensus seemed to be to ask- you can't ask a professional
writer to use their characters, at least not without trying to deal with
lawyers and copyrights and muck like that. You can ask a fellow fan writer,
and usually quite easily. They might be absolutely delighted to have
someone write using their fanfic, either as a sequel, or just to use an
original character, and they might be incensed that you'd have the temerity
to use their creation, but at least you're giving them the option,
something which a fan cannot offer to a professional writer.

Misha (mhall@sound.net)
- - - - -
"The art of fiction, like the art of stage magicians, is one of
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 Does anyone in the region have any interest in following the lead of
other
>parts of the country and organizing a FolcFest, maybe
>for this summer?  I'm from Cincinnati, but go to school
>in southeast Indiana, so I find myself in Indianapolis,
>Louisville, and Cincinnati ("the 'Nati" to the locals
><wink!>) quite frequently. So, anyone interested?

I live in Cleveland but go to Cincinnati with my mom on business often.
I would be tottally interested in going to and maybe helping to organize
a FolcFest for this general area!

Hope to talk soon.
RUth ruthlg@hotmail.com

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I am merely a fan, not a writer, of fanfiction; but it seems to me that
there
is a slight, yet significant difference between writing a sequel to another
author's story that is a continuation and re-writing the end of the story
because one did not like the ending.  While I can understand someone wanting
to deny the possibility that Clark and Lois don't wind up together in wedded
bliss, I do think courtesy would dictate contacting the author of the
original story to get permission to change the ending.

Ann
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Hi

>I'm not sure if all of you know or not, but
>Futuresport, Best Men, and Tracked are all out on
>video. I have only seen them to rent.

I was just wondering if anyone new what section (comedy, horror, ect.)
Best Mn and Tracked would be in.  Thanks.

Ruth (who is very tired from reading 116 new messages and just blured
the subject titles of 2 posts together and though she saw "Dean's
Hangover."<g>
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Hi

>I'm not sure if all of you know or not, but
>Futuresport, Best Men, and Tracked are all out on
>video. I have only seen them to rent.

I was just wondering if anyone new what section (comedy, horror, ect.)
Best Men and Tracked would be in.  Thanks.

Ruth (who is very tired from reading 116 new messages and just blured
the subject titles of 2 posts together and though she saw "Dean's
Hangover."<g>
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In a message dated 4/3/99 10:16:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ruthlg@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< I was just wondering if anyone new what section (comedy, horror, ect.)
 Best Men and Tracked would be in.  Thanks. >>

At my local video stores, Best Men and Future Sport are in the New Releases
section.  Tracked is either in that same one or Action/Adventure.

I haven't seen Best Men yet ( some comedian had substituted someting called
Breast Men in the spot and I wound up with it.  Of course, the video store
was out of Best Men when I took it back to exchange it. )  Tracked was very
suspenseful and kept me on the edge of my seat.  Future Sport is good too.

Ann
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I just watched "Futuresport," for the sixth time and I watched "Best Men"
for
the second time!!!  My friend, who has never seen a Dean movie before
watched
them with me.  Dean must of made a really SUPER impression on him, because
he
loved both of the movies!!!! ;)  <G>

"I'VE DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN AND ALL THE ANGELS LOOK LIKE ALEX{IS}"
Tremaine Ramzey,  FUTURESPORT   aka: Dean Cain

"Dear Dean... You Rock MY World!!!"  ;-.)
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Ann Wrote:
<< I do think courtesy would dictate contacting the author of the
original story to get permission to change the ending.>>

I have to say, I agree with you in principle, Ann.  There is something
about actually knowing a person which makes it more difficult to abuse
their work without conscience. <wink>

HOWEVER.. ;)

At 07:24 PM 03/04/99 -0600, Melissa Day Hall wrote:
>A professional writer doesn't get the same sort of feedback
>and interchange with their reader/viewers that a fan writer does. Often,
>the professional writer does everything in their power to _avoid_ fan
>reaction and fiction, simply because of the legalities involved.

That isn't particularly true.  Every writer, every artist is nurtured by
the response of their fans.  We are all human after all, professional
writers are no different in that respect.

A professional artist (one fortunate enough to make money at what he/she
does<g>) may be harassed by their 'superiors' in the industry not to allow
their work to be *compromised* by those calling themselves fans, but in no
way does that affect their NEED to have their work appreciated by those
very same people.

Those of us who write fanfiction and discuss it on this list (as a
microcosm) are consistently *begging* one another for feedback -- that's
not just because we aren't getting paid for it, or cannot receive it
elsewhere.  That may be true for perhaps a select few of us, but there are
also those of us who can and do receive feedback on our work, even
professionally on an ongoing basis, yet we *crave* that support.
Professional writers; professional artists are absolutely no different, I
swear to god.. <wink>

Any artist will tell you that the rush of having one's work appreciated,
whether shown by an audience applauding or cheering, or by whatever other
means in the form of fan letters (yes letters, stars don't have the
opportunity to read them all, but they take a lot of pride in how many they
receive, none the less, lets not pretend they don't <g>) -- all means and
forms of support are incredibly exciting.

Someone who claims to produce art 'for themselves' and says s/he 'doesn't
give a d*mn what anyone else says/thinks' about it is either lying to
everyone else, or lying to themselves.  If that were the case, they'd not
release their work to begin with, and if they did release it, they wouldn't
attend any form of interview to discuss it. <g>  Ever.  Artists *crave*
feedback, every single one of them. ;)

>On the other hand, this is the meat and drink of a fan writer- the feedback
>and the reaction.

That's also true of any professional writer.  The money is gravy.   I've
known far too many professonals in various artforms very personally to have
that illusion still present in my mind.

>while imitation may be the sincerest form of
>flattery, many writers feel very protective of their fanfic, they have a
>more immediate ownership of it.

Again, that's untrue.  First of all, those professional writers out there
whom you're discounting *also* feel very protective of their work.  In
spades.  You might be surprised just how upset a *professional* writer can
become when they see their own work fragmented and reassembled in order to
'fix it' -- even within in a fan forum.  The fact that they cannot do
anything to STOP it from happening the way one fan might do to another,
since the instance of it is so wide spread, doesn't make it any more
'right' or 'good'.

The fact that fans do not have the 'opportunity to ask' a professional
writer *permission* to completely rewrite scenes or aspects of their work
does not make it any more correct to do so. That's like admitting that
doing harm to your next door neighbor (whom you speak to every day) is
definitely *wrong*, but doing that same harm to someone you've never met is
okay (should the need or want arise), since you don't know that person, so
it doesn't really affect you, personally.

An episode of the old Twilight Zone comes to mind, but I've forgotten it's
title... (Zoom? Do you remember?)  I think it was called "The Button" or
something like that.  It dealt with this precise issue, and the paradox was
this:

A tiny button in a glass case was passed around by a nameless entity.  Once
pressed, the button would fulfil your wildest dreams, and it's price was so
EASY to deal with.  The forcing from existence of someone "you don't even
know." -- the only hitch?  In a nutshell, the very next person who received
the button would be "someone you don't even know". <wink>

Ultimately, if you consider an action to be 'wrong' -- then it's incorrect
to spilt hairs.  It becomes 'wrong' whether or not the opportunity to ask
permission exists. ;)  Otherwise you're the ostrich who sticks his
proverbial head in a hole and pretends morality is a matter of convenience.
<g>

>This whole topic came up on a fanfic writer's list that I subscribe to, and
>the general consensus seemed to be to ask- you can't ask a professional
>writer to use their characters, at least not without trying to deal with
>lawyers and copyrights and muck like that.

Well again, (see above), but...

I think if you deal with professional artists a little more often, that
idea would probably not fly very far. :)  Factually, whether we speak of
professionals or we speak of those who have not yet begun to make their
money through their art form, we'll find that their comparative intimacy
with their own work is not a whole lot different than you might think.

The hurt is there for them (professionals), the outrage, the anger at
seeing their work abused; it's there right along with the pride and the
excitement which hold the scale in balance for them.

I wasn't going to take this matter as far as I have, but since this was
brought forward, I did feel I needed to explain.  Please don't pretend that
a professional writer 'doesn't care' because s/he happens to have a lot
more feedback than a fan writer might.  Assuming someone's feelings do not
exist for us because we do not know them is an illusory convenience.

Either we believe that it's okay to work with *any* publicly available
piece of art, as fans, to recreate and to re explore that artist's vision
*because* we're fans, or we believe that it's wrong entirely whether fans
are doing it to professionals, or to other fans.

You know what some of us are feeling right now as writers who have our work
rewritten to 'make it correct' in someone else' POV?  The upset, the hurt,
the anger?  Well take that and magnify that a few hundred times for any
given professional writer out there.  And they *are* out there, reading
their work and the feedback of their fans.

Ignoring their presence because it's convenient to do so, doesn't make
one's actions any more or less 'correct' in the long run.

I happen to believe (very personally) that anyone's artwork, once made
public, is for the folk; those for whom it was created to be either enjoyed
or to receive it's message.  Once that has taken place, what those same
fans do with the piece is a natural process of an artist reaching his or
her people. (It may sometimes make the artist LIVID -- but just as that's
par for the course in the professional world, so is it in the microcosm of
the fan community).  There are fans here who are FANS of other FANS.  The
internet makes that possible, as it makes the publication (internationally)
of that person's work a possibility now-a-days <g>

It doesn't matter if an artist is an amateur on an internet connection, or
a professional being paid to produce the work.  Fan work is fan work -- and
we can just as well be fans of *eachother* here, as we can of our much more
widely represented counterparts in "the industry" ;)

That's my spew and I'm sticking to it.

Take Care All,
Demi
___________________________________________
Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/

"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')

I went to the doctor, I went to the mountain.
I looked to the children, I drank from the fountain.
There's more than one answer to these questions,
pointing me in a crooked line.
The less I seek my source for some definitive
The closer I am to fine.
                - Indigo Girls
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Demi wrote:

>Ann Wrote:
><< I do think courtesy would dictate contacting the author of the
>original story to get permission to change the ending.>>

and Demi added:
>
>I have to say, I agree with you in principle, Ann.  There is
something
>about actually knowing a person which makes it more difficult to
abuse
>their work without conscience. <wink>

I'll agree with both of you on that principle.  It's one thing to have
a reader say, "I really enjoyed your story, and because I liked it
*so* much, I'd like to write a sequel.  Would you mind?"   and quite
another for that same reader to say "I didn't like the way your story
ended, so I re-wrote it, and now it's *correct*!"

I see a big difference between professional and amateur writers, at
least in this situation, in both their availability to their readers
and the actions they need to take to protect their legal rights to
their intellectual property.

A letter to a professional author is much more likely to go astray
than one to someone on this list.  Your best hope of contacting a
professional author is to write to their publisher or a tv show's
production company, and *hope* the message gets forwarded.  OTOH, if
an author's work is in the archive, you have an excellent chance of
contacting  them, either by the email addy on their story, by sending
a note to the list (the author is likely to be a listmember, and even
is s/he isn't, everyone on the list knows that an effort was made to
contact the author) or to contact the archive's editors and ask if the
have the author's forwarding addy.

On the issue of legal rights, a professional author is likely to
*have* to say "no" to your request to write a sequel, in order to
protect his legal rights to his characters.  As fanfic-ers, we know
that we have no legal rights to characters (unless they're characters
that we created in our work of fiction) and we are probably much more
likely to be amenable to a sequel or a co-operative effort.  Which is
all the more reason to contact the fanfic author if you want to
re-write or add to their creation :)

<snipped>
>I happen to believe (very personally) that anyone's artwork, once
made
>public, is for the folk; those for whom it was created to be either
enjoyed
>or to receive it's message.  Once that has taken place, what those
same
>fans do with the piece is a natural process of an artist reaching his
or
>her people. (It may sometimes make the artist LIVID -- but just as
that's
>par for the course in the professional world, so is it in the
microcosm of
>the fan community).  There are fans here who are FANS of other FANS.
The
>internet makes that possible, as it makes the publication
(internationally)
>of that person's work a possibility now-a-days <g>

I don't agree with everything that you said, Demi, but you certainly
expressed yourself clearly and logically on the subject.  I'm sure
that it's going to stimulate more discussion of this issue, which is a
very interesting one  :)  I agree wholeheartedly with the descriptive
adjective *LIVID* to describe the artist's feelings in this situation,
though <g>

Pat
(who, as a fanfic author, reserves the rights to feel both proprietary
towards
 my own work and LIVID about the situation described above <g>)

peabody@mcs.com
pattijean@aol.com
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At 11:38 PM 03/04/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I don't agree with everything that you said, Demi, but you certainly
>expressed yourself clearly and logically on the subject.  I'm sure
>that it's going to stimulate more discussion of this issue, which is a
>very interesting one  :)  I agree wholeheartedly with the descriptive
>adjective *LIVID* to describe the artist's feelings in this situation,

I appreciate that, Pat.  And I really do see both sides of this issue,
honestly.  However, I look at what we've been discussing heretofore as
something akin to 'honor among thieves' -- where stealing (metaphorically)
>from anyone else is 'just business', but stealing from *eachother* becomes
personal. To me, 'stealing is stealing' <g>

I *am* a fanfic author, I obviously have no qualms about exploring another
person's brilliant universe because I've done it before.  However, in order
to appease my own sense of logic, I simply cannot split any moral hair in
regards to this particular issue -- therefore I suppose I'd consider myself
something of an equal opportunity fanfiction advocate.  :)

I've never found myself in a position where I've wanted to re explore
another fanfic author's universe before, myself.  But I honestly would
consider any publicly available piece of creative work as 'fair game' --
whether professional or not.

If there are fans out there for the work, then it's fair game for fan
FICTION and elaboration.  If an author is going to put their work out there
into the world and expect that no one is ever going to touch their idea --
leave it virginally intact, so to speak -- then what's the point of it,
ultimately? <g>

"Thou shalt not alter my vision in any way" ?  The very nature of human
creativity (to me) would suggest otherwise... and of course, so long as a
disclaimer and proper credit is present in the "new" piece of work, why
not? :)

It's harmless (not for profit) fanfiction, after all... <g>

Just MHO ;)
Demi
___________________________________________
Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/

"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')

I went to the doctor, I went to the mountain.
I looked to the children, I drank from the fountain.
There's more than one answer to these questions,
pointing me in a crooked line.
The less I seek my source for some definitive
The closer I am to fine.
                - Indigo Girls
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Hi all

I find it quite ironic that I found a message on the
list about Dean's movies.  I just this minute got home
>from a "Dean-a-thon" with my two best friends.  We
rented Best Men, Tracked, and Futuresport (all in the
new releases section of the video store).  I must say
that I really enjoyed the movies (Okay, I fell asleep
during Futuresport, but this is due to the late hour
and the fact that it was the third movie in a row, no
offense to Dean or the movie!).  It was fun to watch
with my friend, also a huge FoLC, because we kept
pointing out moments when he acted very "Clarkish."
In fact, did anyone who has seen Best Men notice that
near the very beginning, when they are talking about
the fact that he is carrying guns, one of the guys
says "I didn't know you were packing" (or something)?
Dean replies "Could you say that a little louder?"  My
friend and I looked at each other and simultaneously
said "I don't think they heard you in Gotham City."  I
guess the point of my story is that even in other
acting jobs, Dean will never escape Clark in my mind.
On a whole, I really recommend the movies, especially
Tracked, in which Dean is basically the main star!

Happy viewing!
Sherrif Rachel

p.s.  About the OKI FanFest -- I am the one who
originally posted the message about a gathering near
Cincinnati, and I am still interested in working on
something for this summer.  Sorry to everyone who has
posted and whom I have not replied to.  I'll be able
to focus more on the good things in life (like L&C)
after the end of this semester (two more weeks!  Let
the countdown begin!)  But, I am still interested.
Anyone want to help with ideas/organization?  Thanks!

dithyramb1@yahoo.com
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In a message dated 99-04-04 03:08:58 EDT, you write:

<< "I didn't know you were packing" (or something)?
 Dean replies "Could you say that a little louder?"  My
 friend and I looked at each other and simultaneously
 said "I don't think they heard you in Gotham City." >>

LOL!!!!  I did the same thing when I watched this movie!!! ;)  i have seen
it
2 times now!!! I had a mini Dean marathon yesterday. I watched "Best Men,"
and "Futuresport."
Alexis

"I'VE DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN AND ALL THE ANGELS LOOK LIKE ALEX{IS}"
Tremaine Ramzey,  FUTURESPORT   aka: Dean Cain

"Dear Dean... You Rock MY World!!!"  ;-.)

LadyLois
and
iluvdean
on IRC.
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<<In fact, did anyone who has seen Best Men notice that
near the very beginning, when they are talking about
the fact that he is carrying guns, one of the guys
says "I didn't know you were packing" (or something)?
Dean replies "Could you say that a little louder?"  My
friend and I looked at each other and simultaneously
said "I don't think they heard you in Gotham City."  I
guess the point of my story is that even in other
acting jobs, Dean will never escape Clark in my mind.>>

YES!  I thought that exact same thing when I saw that scene!  He made all
the same facial expressions, same tone of voice- everything!  I said the
rest of the line with him, except I said it w/ the Gotham City part, and
my brother thought I was nuts.  But yeah, it was SO Clark :)
-Jill aka AlienDove-
AlienDove@juno.com
my webpage: http://members.tripod.com/~AlienDove/index.html
The truth is nobody knows how long they've got.   Anyway, it's not years
that count, it's the moments.  Right now, as they happen." - Clark Kent
in "Brutal Youth"~~**~~ "You still my girl?" "Always." - Angel to Buffy
in "Enemies."
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From:         Cristin J Whitley <ckandll4ever@JUNO.COM>
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Note: The title of this refers to the story in the story. I wasn't being
conceited, I swear. <g> Also, special thanks to Molly and Melisma (on
IRC). All comments can be sent to me at CKandLL4ever@Juno.com

The Greatest Story Ever
By: Cristin Whitley
CKandLL4ever@Juno.com

>>From the Daily Planet’s front page, 2098...

Superman’s Story

By: Clark Kent, Investigative Reporter

        For over 100 years now, you, the readers of the Daily Planet,
have followed the story of Superman. For many of those years, the
Superman exclusives were brought to you by myself and my partner (and
wife), Lois Lane. Now, I come to you with the biggest Superman story
ever, the story of his true identity.
        The man of steel came to Metropolis many years ago. His first
feat was stopping an out of control bus from hitting some innocent
pedestrians. Luckily, Superman had just arrived in Metropolis. None of
you know about this instance, Superman’s first feat in Metropolis, but it
happened. One woman cried out that a man had stopped the bus. At the
time, she was thought to be hallucinating because of her near death
experience, but she knew what she saw. That woman is gone, but Superman
is still here.
        Some thought he came from heaven. Some assumed he was a creation
of a mad scientist. Others waited for his story. Superman, originally
named Kal-El, came from Krypton, a planet which exploded shortly after
his birth and escape. This is and has been general knowledge. However,
the way that he became a man has always been a mystery. Today that
mystery is unveiled.
        Superman, hero to many, friend to some, the last son of Krypton,
was raised in Smallville, Kansas. He grew up with two humans, people who
came to mean very much to him. In Smallville, he was raised as an earth
boy. He grew to a man. Without the morals instilled in him by his “Earth
parents”, he may not have become the hero you all know.
        They were good people. Jonathan and Martha brought Kal-El up as
their own son. He was their son. They taught him to use his powers for
good, not evil, and to see his abilities as a special gift rather than an
oddity. Without their guidance, Superman would not exist.
        Superman traveled the world, trying to find a place where he felt
he could fit in. It was in Metropolis that he felt most at ease. Because
of the powers he had, he couldn’t just let bad things happen to innocent
people. He began saving people from the things placing them in danger,
whether it was a mugger, a storm, or themselves.
        You all know of Superman’s victories, the lives he saved, the
disasters he stopped. What you do not know is his true identity. All the
time that Superman was in Metropolis, he had another identity. He felt
that he must disguise himself as Superman to protect the people he loved.
This worked for the most part.
        Superman is as human as you are. He might not be vulnerable to
the same things as a “normal” Earth man, but that doesn’t mean he was
never hurt. He might not have shown his feelings, but that didn’t mean he
didn’t have them. Some say being Superman must be a release from all
problems. This is not so.
        Superman has to make decisions every day. He must decide which
emergency is more important. He must decide when to let something be
handled by the police when he is preoccupied. Most importantly, Superman
must choose between averting possible crisis and having as normal a life
as possible.
        These are a few of the reasons that Superman dropped his secret
identity some twenty years ago. Superman, the man of steel, had a wife.
Her name was Lois Lane. She is the greatest person I have ever known or
known of. When she passed away, 35 years ago, when she was almost 100
years old, he was heartbroken. It was at this time that he gave up his
secret identity and devoted all his time to being Superman.
        Many of you may wonder how I, Clark Kent, can have a byline on
this story. This very paper ran my obituary 40 years ago. This was when I
gave up on being Clark Kent and became Superman.
        In my many years on this Earth, in this great city, I have
learned a lot. I learned that no person is all good or all bad. I learned
that one man can’t fix the world, but he can most certainly change it.
Most importantly, I learned that there is a little hero in everyone. Now,
as I prepare to leave this world for the unknown, the things that follow
death, I feel a need to be honest with the citizens of Earth who I have
come to know and love. I am Clark Kent. I am Kal-El of Krypton. I am
Superman. Most of all, I am a man. As a reporter, I deliver you this last
story, the story of my life. As Superman, I bid you farewell and leave
this world in your hands. Take care of it, it treated me well.

        Clark addressed the envelope to the Daily Planet offices before
he handed it over to the nurse. Then, he looked around, taking his last
view of the place that had been his home. He glanced at the framed
picture of Lois, his true love, and closed his tired eyes. He listened to
the nurse’s footsteps heading out the door. Then, he drew his last breath
and left the world.

THE END

***Cristin Whitley :o)***CKandLL4ever@Juno.com***
SUPERfan on IRC
Join my Dean Cain mailing list at:
http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/deancainfans
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Back at the first of February, I posted a story called, "When Separate
Worlds Collide - Book 1"  I didn't get a lot of feedback, actually, I got
maybe 3 people who said something about it at the most.  Anyway, this coming
week I should be finishing book 2, and after it's sent to my editor, I'd
like to post it too, but I'm wondering, should I post book 1 again, since
possibly there are quite a few people who didn't read it?  I also would
kinda like to get some feedback on it, since I'd like to know if there's
anything that needs to be revamped.  Anyway, what is the protocol for
posting a story?

Mandy
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Mandy, I hope I sent you feedback on that story, because I can't wait for
the
sequel.  I would guess that since "Book 1" is in the archives, you don't
NEED to
post it here, only "Book 2", and only because, unlike CK, I'm NOT a very
patient
person.  <g>  I guess that it is really up to you.

Anyone who has not read Mandy's story is missing out on a real treat.  You
can
find in the archives under the author's name, Crustner.
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In a message dated 99-04-04 18:55:31 EDT, you write:

<< should I post book 1 again >>

Yes please, since I just subscribed last month, and I would LOVE to read
your
fanfic!

Alexis ;-.)
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Could someone please help me out and resend that short fanfic about Superman
in the future?  I was reading bits and pieces of it and put it aside for a
bit and I guess AOL decided to eat it up or something because it was gone!
=(

Thanks.
Alexis ;-.)

"I'VE DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN AND ALL THE ANGELS LOOK LIKE ALEX{IS}"
Tremaine Ramzey,  FUTURESPORT   aka: Dean Cain

"Dear Dean... You Rock MY World!!!"  ;-.)

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I, also, would appreciate a repost, unless you could tell us which week to
look up in the archives.  Thanks, and looking forward to reading your work.
LaurieD
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From:         Margaret Brignell <brignell@CAPITALNET.COM>
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At 11:30 PM 4/3/1999 -0500, Demona wrote:
>The fact that fans do not have the 'opportunity to ask' a professional
>writer *permission* to completely rewrite scenes or aspects of their work
>does not make it any more correct to do so. That's like admitting that
>doing harm to your next door neighbor (whom you speak to every day) is
>definitely *wrong*, but doing that same harm to someone you've never met is
>okay (should the need or want arise), since you don't know that person, so
>it doesn't really affect you, personally.

I see your point in theory.  But, I was wondering what this does to all
those L&C fanfics that "correct" the aaargh, create the "right" ending for
an episode, put an in-between scene between two episodes, or otherwise
change the original aired version of the story to suit *our* sense of
correctness?

Are you saying that writing this kind of fanfic is morally wrong?

Margaret

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At 09:12 PM 04/04/99 -0400, Margaret Brignell wrote:
>I see your point in theory.  But, I was wondering what this does to all
>those L&C fanfics that "correct" the aaargh, create the "right" ending for
>an episode, put an in-between scene between two episodes, or otherwise
>change the original aired version of the story to suit *our* sense of
>correctness?
>Are you saying that writing this kind of fanfic is morally wrong?

Nope. I'm saying if someone _already_ considers rewriting the end of
another fanfic author's story to be morally wrong, then they'd also have to
consider rewriting the end of a professional author's story just as
'wrong'.  I'm saying we shouldn't split hair according to what's convenient
for ourselves.  That's what I'm saying. ;)

I can completely sympathize with a fanfic writer feeling covetous of their
own story material, but in the end (to my mind) fanfic writers take the
work of professional writers every day and gleefully adapt it to our own
ideas and circumstances; we defend our right to do so, which is fine.   I'm
right there, 110%.  But by the same token, then, it seems (to me) to be
somewhat paradoxical for those same individuals to then claim personal
affront when someone else turns around and does the *exact* same thing to
their work. <g>

The old 'do unto others..' addage applies, to my mind.

-Demi-
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nightangel@home.com
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"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')

I went to the doctor, I went to the mountain.
I looked to the children, I drank from the fountain.
There's more than one answer to these questions,
pointing me in a crooked line.
The less I seek my source for some definitive
The closer I am to fine.
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From:         ninety-six and i planted poppies <kubitc@KENYON.EDU>
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<< I've never found myself in a position where I've wanted to re explore
another fanfic author's universe before, myself.  But I honestly would
consider any publicly available piece of creative work as 'fair game' --
whether professional or not. >>

Well I have. A few years back I read a story whose premise I wanted to
explore
further. After reading the story, I couldn't stop thinking about it, and the
exploration of the story evolved in my head. I couldn't help it <g> So I
wrote
it, FOR MYSELF, so that I could put straight (on paper) the thoughts I'd had
about the story. After a while I wrote the author, asked her to read the
story,
and asked her opinion. In the end (actually, in the beginning, too ;) she
did
not like the direction my exploration took her story. So I didn't submit it
to
the archive and no one has (or will) read it besides me.

It was my choice not to "release" the fanfic I based on hers, but I made
that
decision out of my respect for the author and her story. She said that I
could
put a disclaimer on it that it was "released" without her permission, but I
chose not to do so. I decided that, if I were her, I would not want my
characters being taken in a direction I did not want them taken in, though,
as
a fanfic writer, I understand that anyone has the right to do that.

Being a fanfic writer, in a way I am using someone else's ideas without
permission, even though we sugar-coat it under the euphamism of "borrowing"
;)
However, I think there's a small point of difference. If I were to write a
continuation to a movie whose rights I do not have, then produce and make
that
movie, I am in obvious violation of copyright. (I am also making money off
of
another's ideas.) But people may take ideas from that movie and base fanfic
on
it, whether or not this is completely legal or "right."

One distinction for me between this and "borrowing" someone else's fanfic
ideas
is that the two were released in a different medium, to a different crowd.
I'm
not saying that if I'd based a book on that movie, it'd be okay. To me,
though,
there seems to be a small distinction between the two. Maybe this is because
I
write fanfic and not movies, so can't understand what the other side of the
coin feels like.

I understand that both a fanfic and movie were released to the public, but
there is a definite community of fanfic writers. To me, this has nothing to
do
with knowing the person; it has to do with releasing the sequel to the same
audience, in the same way, that the original was released. I'm sure this has
nothing to do with copyright laws or politeness, but the difference in media
somehow  make a difference to me.

<< No, Kathy, the first I heard of the sequel was when it was mentioned on
this
list.  I was a little surprised that I hadn't heard from the author, but
chalked it up to her youth. >>

Although I did read the fanfic in question, I don't remember how old the
author
was exactly (though I'm thinking 12 for some reason). But I do know that, at
21, I'm one of the younger authors here. (Though lots of younger folcs are
beginning to write every day ;) I don't think the author's decision not to
e-mail Piper has anything to do with age.

I e-mailed the author whose ideas I used, though I recognize there's a big
difference between 12 (if that's even correct) and 21 (though I wasn't 21
when
I wrote my story). However, if you are responsible enough to enter into an
online community, responsible enough to write, responsible enough to release
your story, you should not be excused for what some deem inconsiderate
because
of your age. (Not that I'm saying what she did was necessarily
inconsiderate-
I'm just saying that I don't think her age should be an issue.)

-Christy (back from a nice weekend at home, dreading the rest of the
semester)
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
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In a message dated 4/4/99 7:02:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
kubitc@KENYON.EDU
writes:

>
>  It was my choice not to "release" the fanfic I based on hers, but I made
> that
>  decision out of my respect for the author and her story. She said that I
> could
>  put a disclaimer on it that it was "released" without her permission, but
I
>  chose not to do so. I decided that, if I were her, I would not want my
>  characters being taken in a direction I did not want them taken in,
though,
> as
>  a fanfic writer, I understand that anyone has the right to do that.
>

I have to agree with you here.  I don't have many original characters, but
those that I do have (Kat and CJ) I am rather protective.  This is not to
say
that there aren't other CJs out there (it's a popular name for L&C's son)
but
this *particular* CJ, the one I built from the ground up in Full Circle, is
mine.  I have definate ideas about him, his aspirations, his personality,
his
future and past... and I would be flattered and hurt at the same time if
someone were to use him (flattered in that they liked him enough to use him
as a base, and hurt because I have my own plans for him, and I don't want
them destroyed by another writer).

I know it's tempting to toy with another author's creation... I've been
tempted in the past when an author introduces a character, and then doesn't
take the time to develop it.  I've thought, "hmmm... what a waste..." and
wondered what I might be able to do with it.  Still, that character belongs
to that author, and I would never do it.  I might model a character after
that one, but that is as close as I would come.

I think you handled the situation well... you flattered the author by using
the character and satisfying your own curiosity about the character, and yet
you respected the wishes of the author and kept the story to yourself.  It
was a courteous thing to do.

-Crys-
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Hi, I would like to

unsubscribe

>from the list.

Thanks, Smooth.
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Crystal Wimmer Wrote:
<<I think you handled the situation well... you flattered the author by
using
the character and satisfying your own curiosity about the character, and yet
you respected the wishes of the author and kept the story to yourself.  It
was a courteous thing to do.>>

That is exactly true.  It was courtesy and that's always an irrefutable
call to make.  I would also be lying if I didn't admit that I'd try quite
diligently to contact another fanfic author whose work I wanted to use
*myself*, before I did so out of hand.

I think perhaps some of what I'd been trying to get across in my posts has
been misinterpreted.  As a fanfic author and a member of this community for
years now, I find myself very close to a great many authors out there whose
work I admire, and even consider myself a 'fan' of.

That proximity (as is always the case with any sort of relationship) makes
working on the ideas of these same individuals feel very different to me
than working on the ideas of an individual I'd never met before.  Anyone
would feel the same way; but is it correct for us to assume that simply
because *we* feel this way, our subsequent work on the ideas of strangers
(on a very broad scale considering how many fan authors are out there) --
would happen so far away from the object of our admiration that the writer
whom we *don't* know personally, would have no feelings whatsoever on the
subject of their work being taken and likewise reworked?

If you do believe that, you should know that very specific and very
individualized fan opinion of Lois & Clark (for example) made a very big
difference in terms of the morale of the writers of the series over the
years.  It seems to me that there are those out there who believe
professional writers such as we had with L&C are (by their very nature)
stone cold statues who were 'trained' not to care because 'professionals
don't allow themselves to care'.  But that isn't the case.

What do we feel as authors of our own fanfiction?  Pride?  A sense of
accomplishment and perhaps an attachment to certain of our ideas and
characters?  Why is it so easy for us to assume that our professional
counterparts who wrote for the series 'didn't care' about any of that, and
didn't feel any of that?   Do you have to KNOW professional artists to
understand how incorrect that assessment is?

Trust me, over the years I have received more than one very hurt (as well
as excited) letter(s) from more than one writer for OUR series with regards
to just ONE fan's arbitrary comment(s) and/or redesign of their ideas;
whether on the list or in fanfiction.  Just one fan! The writer happened to
read that particular piece of work or listserv post and it had an impact on
their feelings.  These are real people.

If there are those out there who don't think that established television
writers ever read fanwork based on their ideas and premises because it's a
potential 'copyright risk'... Think again. ;)

I think what many people perhaps might be overlooking is the reality of the
fact that while professional writers (artists) may not read *every*
instance of their fan's work (as most fanfic authors on the other hand,
would) -- that doesn't mean they aren't impacted by what's out there. They
can and do feel the same disappointment and anger towards the twisting of
one of their own ideas as any fan author might.

They also feel the same pride that any fan author might when their work is
explored further by another author and they LIKE where that exploration
takes the idea. :)

A passionate writer is a passionate writer.. no matter who they are.

At 09:59 PM 04/04/99 EST, Christy wrote:
>I understand that both a fanfic and movie were released to the public, but
>there is a definite community of fanfic writers. To me, this has nothing
to do
>with knowing the person; it has to do with releasing the sequel to the same
>audience, in the same way, that the original was released. I'm sure this
has
>nothing to do with copyright laws or politeness, but the difference in
media
>somehow  make a difference to me.

I can understand what you've said.  Quite honestly, I'm not a whole lot
older than you are, either Christy. And I do believe in solidarity among
those of us who write.<g>

However, I don't believe in making exceptions for *some* of us who write,
and not for others.  We all produce the same artform.  We all deserve the
same consideration, IMHO.  Wherever possible. :)

What you've just described to me doesn't sound much like a media
difference.  It sounds like a justification, a sort of: "I don't know why,
I just do feel different about it." -- but that's an illusory convenience.

We feel that way because of the closeness in proximity which we find
ourselves to our colleagues, in whatever medium we choose.   In the end,
the fact remains that whether for profit or not, another artist's idea is
either sacred ground or it isn't.

If we decide that it is sacred ground, untouchable so to speak, then I
don't believe it's the audience of the piece which becomes the deciding
factor, I think it's very definitely a personal issue within ourselves.

And in that instance, why?  "I know her, therefore I don't want to hurt or
impose upon her feelings regarding her own work.." --OR-- "I don't know her
personally, I probably couldn't contact her even if I wanted to, therefore
it's okay for me to do whatever I'd like to with her work."

I put it to you this way.  Assume the latter of the two statements above.
What if she (the professional author) were to find out about it later?  Or
if you were to discover that your work on the internet *did* really bother
that professional author and yet you never ever considered she might read
it.. what would you do then?  Food for thought.

We *assume* we're insignificant as writers and need to stick together, but
the fact is that we're not all that insignificant.  When we write as a
group in strength about our favorite artists, using their ideas and
constructs to create our own universes, we place the resultant work out on
the internet where the whole world can see it.  Don't underestimate that.
And certainly, if those who initially put forth the ideas we're playing
with were ever interested in their own work, they'll come and look, out of
curiosity at the very least.  Any author (or artist) would.

It's difficult to draw the same lines for ourselves which we are so quick
to draw for other people we don't personally know, but I think we must.
Otherwise, we become hypocritical.  How can we fight for a moral on the one
hand while we're so willing to compromise it on the other; once the
opportunity suits us?

I've been a fanfic author for a lot of years now.  I don't intend to stop
now, either.  ;) But if someone were to take my work and explore it
further, placing the same disclaimer and copyright information there which
we always place on our regular fanfiction, I think I would also say what
Christy's author friend said to her: That I certainly wouldn't have a
problem with that regardless of my personal like or dislike of the actual
piece -- so long as there wasn't any plagiarism involved.  ;)

I think we ask for a 'cut' of whatever form of profit our ideas garner.  In
the professional world, when one author explores the ideas of another, that
author gets a monetary kickback.  In the fanfiction world, where profit is
measured in terms of word of mouth, and permission is almost never asked
for the use of characters and/or ideas beforehand, the only form of
compensation we can really require is the citation of our own ideas
wherever they are used by another individual.

Take Care All,
Demi
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"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')

I went to the doctor, I went to the mountain.
I looked to the children, I drank from the fountain.
There's more than one answer to these questions,
pointing me in a crooked line.
The less I seek my source for some definitive
The closer I am to fine.
                - Indigo Girls
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Interesting discussion.  As a present fan writer and a hope-to-be
professional writer, I have to admit that I side with Demi's position.  If I
think it's okay for me to steal someone else's characters without so much as
a "Hey guys, I'm building off your ideas because I love the characters and
situations you created," then I would be a hypocrite indeed to protest if
someone else did the same thing with characters or story situations I've
developed or created.  I'm not saying I wouldn't be disappointed or angry if
someone, for example, took "A Shot in the Dark" and decided I'd cheated by
surgically repairing Lois's paraplegia and so they wrote a story in which
Lois was in the wheelchair forever and became so depressed that she killed
herself.  I'd feel like they missed the entire point of my story (miracle
cure or not), and I would be unhappy that my story situation got twisted
that way.  But frankly, as long as I'm doing the same thing with someone
else's work (professional or otherwise), saying it's wrong for a fellow
fanfic writer to do that would be a case of the pot calling the kettle
black.

Maybe I'm more aware than most fanfic writers of the constant "stealing"
that goes on in *any* work (although, according to Lew Hunter, who teaches
screen-writing courses, drawing from a single source is theft; using two or
more is research :).  "Faster Than a Speeding Bullet" owes various ideas to
Vonda McIntyre (Entropy, a Star Trek novel), Gail Morgan Hickman (Fast
Forward, a Flash episode), and whomever wrote the classic Trek ep where the
Enterprise was accidentally hurled into the past.  And those are just the
conscious, deliberate borrowings (or research :).  "Mxysplit" was motivated
by Tim Minear's Twas the Night Before Mxymas (since I borrowed his Mxyzptlk
so completely), but also by an nfic idea in Lori's Clark's Fantasy 4 that I
wanted to explore in more detail.  Most things that I read contain a germ of
an idea that I'd like to explore, and I usually do so without wondering
about rights or legalities.  I have a real hard time figuring out where the
line is between that kind of borrowing and using someone else's characters
or situations as a starting point for a story.  For me, it doesn't matter.
I've already decided that it's okay as long as I'm not making a profit from
it.  The corollary, of course, is that it's okay for someone to use my
ideas, too.  (That, however, is not permission to plaigerize--i.e. steal my
story and put your name on it.)

But if someone decides to rewrite one of my stories or use one of my story
situations, I hope she'll do what I do when I use ideas and characters from
the pros:  put a disclaimer at the top saying where it was borrowed from and
that it was used without permission.  I may like it; I may hate it, but you
have as much right to use my work as I have to use Gail's or Tim's.

Sheila Harper

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At 5:34 PM -0500 4/4/99, Mandy Crustner wrote:

> Anyway, this coming
>week I should be finishing book 2, and after it's sent to my editor, I'd
>like to post it too, but I'm wondering, should I post book 1 again, since
>possibly there are quite a few people who didn't read it?

Mandy, since the first part is already on the Archive, I think you should
just direct people there, or alternatively, invite people to write you
personally for the first part.  As I remember, it was quite long, so I
wouldn't advise reposting it.

As for feedback, let's hope more people will write with some for Part 2 now
that we've been having these great discussions about feedback on the list.
:)  I haven't read it myself (the irony of running the Archive--I have
little time to actually *read*, LOL) but I remember the people who did post
here about it were positive. :)

Kathy

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At 7:23 PM -0400 4/4/99, No Name Available wrote:
>Could someone please help me out and resend that short fanfic about
Superman
>in the future?  I was reading bits and pieces of it and put it aside for a
>bit and I guess AOL decided to eat it up or something because it was gone!
=(

To remind everyone, all posts from this listserv are immediately and
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Hi Cristin

First of all, I liked your story.  It is a very pleasant vignette about how
Superman would leave the world.

However, I am confused as to *when* he gave up his secret identity - so far
it seems to be 20 years, 35 years and 40 years.

Other than that little problem, I really did like the story :)

jem
(the confused one)
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Jill wrote:

>When did FutureSport come out?  I had seen previes for it, but I didn't
see it when I was looking for Best Men when it came out, and I never
heard of a release date.

I just saw Future Sport last night!! What an awesome movie.  It was
different to see Dean getting hurt though.  I rented it from Video 99.
Blockbuster in Ontario Canada doesn't have any of them yet.

FutureSport.  A must rent for those who can

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Date:         Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:19:54 +0200
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Hi everyone!

And accept my apologies for sending this request to the whole list...! But
maybe
there are others, like me, who need to know.

I'd like for someone to inform me which is the movie company/studios
releasing
each one of these movies.
I'd like to order them, but I don't want to risk and have Breast Men either,
as
someone mentioned before! : o). Sometimes naming the actors and the title of
the
movie isn't enough and as I'm ordering them from abroad (from England to
Portugal), I'd just like to be sure.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Celia.

In a message dated 4/3/99 10:16:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ruthlg@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< I was just wondering if anyone new what section (comedy, horror, ect.)
 Best Men and Tracked would be in.  Thanks. >>

At my local video stores, Best Men and Future Sport are in the New Releases
section.  Tracked is either in that same one or Action/Adventure.

I haven't seen Best Men yet ( some comedian had substituted someting called
Breast Men in the spot and I wound up with it.  Of course, the video store
was out of Best Men when I took it back to exchange it. )  Tracked was very
suspenseful and kept me on the edge of my seat.  Future Sport is good too.

Ann
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I have enjoyed this thread so much.  I guess it is my turn to jump in.

I see nothing wrong with fan fiction.  I am sure there are many times
you have watched TV shows/movies etc and thought,  "Well that is not the
way I would have written that particular scene if I had the chance to
do."  We are not making any profits from fanfiction, so I see no harm in
it.  I think that if the writers were to read some of the offerings on
the net, they would be impressed that we thought enough of their efforts
to it.

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Subject:      Re: New Fanfic: Part 1 of 1 :o)

Wow! Jem, you're right. I had intended it to be kind of like he waited a
few years after Lois passed away to give up on being Clark. Seems like I
gave too many different times. Oops! Thanks for bringing that to my
attention, I'll change it!
Cristin (I can count, really I can!)
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I've been lurking on this list for quite some time and I'm not even sure
this is going to get through, but I saw the exchange below and I remembered
something about the original story (which while I loved it, it broke my
heart to find Lois didn't wait for Clark). I seem to remember that Piper
wrote that "she wasn't going to write the obvious sequel". I took that to
mean she wasn't going to write a sequel at all, and was kind of throwing it
open to someone else to do so. I just realized that it could also mean, that
she wasn't going to write the OBVIOUS sequel, but that one that would not be
so obvious was in the works. Either way, I felt that the original story did
not deserve to be left as it was and that a sequel was needed to "finish"
it. (Aside to Piper: I liked Dale too, but I can't ever be happy with Lois
without Clark, sorry.)

Ray Reynolds

Date:    Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:20:25 EST
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Subject: Re: Sequels (was Re: combo: Firestorm, OKI fest...)

In a message dated 4/2/99 11:48:13 PM CST, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes:

<< This person did write you for permission, right, Piper?  When they first
 submitted the story, I strongly advise they write you first, to at least
 let you know it was being written.  I was told that they did that.
  >>

No, Kathy, the first I heard of the sequel was when it was mentioned on this
list.  I was a little surprised that I hadn't heard from the author, but
chalked it up to her youth.  Later, of course, I realized that the posted
story has my old e-mail addy on it.  But I'm on this list regularly.

<<This is always such a tricky area.  My personal feeling is that an author
shouldn't write a sequel using another author's characters unless the first
author gives permission, but there are certainly exceptions.  It's such a
gray area.  Sigh.>>

I agree.  My difficulty with the whole thing is not that someone would DARE
<g> to write a sequel to a story of mine.  After all, Lois and Clark
certainly don't belong to me!  And for what it's worth, I thought the story
was really well written.  I would never have thought the author was as young
as she is, and I'd like to see more from her.
No, my problem is with the idea of someone deciding that, since she didn't
like the ending of my story, that it was *wrong*, that it needed to be
*corrected*.  And maybe I'm being a little territorial with my characters
but, by golly, I LIKE Dale.  I think he's strong, loving, and intelligent.
It's not like I had Lois going back to Claude, for goodness sake! <g>

Through venting,
Piper
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Mandy

Regarding your message about submitting a new story and re-submitting one of
your earlier stories.

I think you should maybe post this again.  I have only been on the list for
a few months and I am discovering new Fanfiction all the time, as I am sure
are many others who are new to the list.

I personally haven't come across your story "When Separate Worlds Collide"
but over the past few months, I have downloaded loads of fanfiction which is
probably going to take me a year to read through.  I know from some of the
other posts to the lists that others download stories to read later and also
may not have come across your story.  I only recently discovered the
archives as well, which has loads of stuff to read but again, there is so
much of it I have to download that as well, to read when I have some spare
time.

I like the sound of the title and would love to read it some time and send
you feedback.

Kind regards
Eileen B
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Joy/Kathy

Regarding Mandy Crustner's story "When Separate Worlds Collide".

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction for this and I am going
stright there to download it.  I'm glad it's a long story as these are
usually my favourites.

Regards
Eileen B
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Hello Everybody

Could I ask you all please please not to give away any of the plot lines
>from any of the Dean Cain Movies that are currently available on video.

I have recently purchased Best Men and am planning to rent the others from
the video shop but I haven't had a chance to see them yet and I would rather
not know what is going to happen.

Sorry to be so picky but I hate to know 'anything' about a film I haven't
had a chance to see yet.  I even try to avoid trailers if I can.

Thanks a bunch
Regards
Eileen B
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><<In fact, did anyone who has seen Best Men notice that
>near the very beginning, when they are talking about
>the fact that he is carrying guns, one of the guys
>says "I didn't know you were packing" (or something)?
>Dean replies "Could you say that a little louder?"  My
>friend and I looked at each other and simultaneously
>said "I don't think they heard you in Gotham City."  I
>guess the point of my story is that even in other
>acting jobs, Dean will never escape Clark in my mind.>>
>
>YES!  I thought that exact same thing when I saw that scene!  He made all
>the same facial expressions, same tone of voice- everything!  I said the
>rest of the line with him, except I said it w/ the Gotham City part, and
>my brother thought I was nuts.  But yeah, it was SO Clark :)
>-Jill aka AlienDove-
>AlienDove@juno.com
>my webpage: http://members.tripod.com/~AlienDove/index.html
>The truth is nobody knows how long they've got.   Anyway, it's not years
>that count, it's the moments.  Right now, as they happen." - Clark Kent
>in "Brutal Youth"~~**~~ "You still my girl?" "Always." - Angel to Buffy
>in "Enemies."
>
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I wish to thank everyone who emailed me privately re my post on Fri.  I
have taken down everyone's email addy and will be emailing them within
the next few days.  I did do it out of curiousity.  Also since there are
so many of us, I am staring a Christian LNC list over at onelist.
However, since my server does not accept cookies, I will be doing this
within the next few days over at my friend's house.  So if there is
anyone else who missed the post, just email me privately.

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Since there has been mixed feedback about this, here's what I'll do <grin>.
For those of you that don't want to trudge through the archive to find it
(because, honestly, I totally forget when it was posted <grin>) I'll be more
than happy to send it to you privately, as long as you promise to send
feedback (really, you don't *have* to promise, I would just like to hear
some commentary on it, especially at the juncture I'm at on Book 2, some
feedback would definitely keep me enthused about this series.)

And for those of you that have gone to the archive since my post and read
it, please, let me know what you think!

I've got 6 Books planned for this series at this point and I want to make
sure that the first one is something that people have enjoyed before I
commit to writing all of them, since I only have about 3,000 other ideas on
my list (Rachel, if you're reading this, I'm sure you're saying, "Yeah, she
*really* does!")

Anyway, thanks FoLCs, I appreciate your time and your interest! :)

Mandy Crustner
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I just remembered...wasn't one of the 1st Annual Kerth Award Nominees'
actually a sequel to a sequel, (i.e. written by a third author)?

Just food for thought,

===
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At 9:50 AM -0500 4/5/99, Mandy Crustner wrote:
>Since there has been mixed feedback about this, here's what I'll do <grin>.
>For those of you that don't want to trudge through the archive to find it
>(because, honestly, I totally forget when it was posted <grin>)

I'm not sure if you are talking about the Fanfic Archive here, Mandy, or
the listserv archive.  If you mean the listserv archive, then yes, it can
be hard to find things without knowing the date, though I'm almost certain
you can search by topic and author also.

If you mean the L&C Fanfic Archive, however, I hope that everyone knows
there are several easy ways to search for fanfic.  You can search by Title
(under "W" for "When Separate Worlds Collide") or Author ("C" for Mandy
Crustner) or even try our new "Search The Archive" link which allows you to
put in a keyword.

And of course, all the stories added in 1999 are listed under "What's New"
and that's easy to scroll through.

For those of you new to fanfic or unfamiliar with the Fanfic Archive, the
URL is below in my sig.  Enjoy!

Kathy

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At 3:29 PM -0700 4/5/99, Eileen Barnard wrote:

>Could I ask you all please please not to give away any of the plot lines
>>from any of the Dean Cain Movies that are currently available on video.

This is known as not giving "Spoilers" for a movie. We used this word a lot
while the show was still on ABC because different parts of the world would
receive an episode at different times.  It was considered polite (and I
believe even part of the LOISCLA rules) to put the word SPOILER in your
subject line and in the first part of your message, to help people like
yourself who didn't want to know what was going to happen.

However, I believe the rule back then was to use SPOILER only until the day
after the episode was aired, since by then, most people had the opportunity
to watch it.  After that, it was up to the reader to monitor the posts and
not read what they didn't want to.

Now, that said, obviously we are in a different situation with movie
rentals, since not everyone has access to the same movie at the same time
(as with network tv).  However, I will say, Eileen, that Best Men hit the
big screen in the UK well over a *year* ago, and it *never* was screened in
the US.  UK fans have had a lot more opportunity to see this movie than US
fans.  Futuresport and Tracked (DogBoys) are different though, since one
was on ABC in the US and the other was a Showtime cable movie.  I have no
idea how these were screened in other parts of the world.

So, bottom line, it would certainly be polite for all FoLCs to put the
title of the movie in their subject line so people avoiding these topics
can do so.  However, given that all 3 of these movies have been out for
months and months, there isn't a 'rule' about it.

But seeing as FoLCs are such nice people, I certainly expect that the
members of this list will try to be polite and warn their fellow list
members if they are discussing the plot of a Dean movie. :)

Kathy

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> At 9:50 AM -0500 4/5/99, Mandy Crustner wrote:
> >Since there has been mixed feedback about this, here's what I'll do
<grin>.
> >For those of you that don't want to trudge through the archive to find it
> >(because, honestly, I totally forget when it was posted <grin>)
>
> I'm not sure if you are talking about the Fanfic Archive here, Mandy, or
> the listserv archive.  If you mean the listserv archive, then yes, it can
> be hard to find things without knowing the date, though I'm almost certain
> you can search by topic and author also.

I meant the listserv archive, I had went there yesterday, looking for the
story myself and never found it <grin>

<snip rest of message>

Mandy
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At 12:26 PM 4/5/1999 -0500, Kathy wrote:
> However, given that all 3 of these movies have been out for
>months and months, there isn't a 'rule' about it.

Last weekend, my local Blockbuster told me that Best Men was released to
video on March 23rd (they didn't acquire it;p)  I have yet to find a video
store that has it;\

I was "spoiled" last year when it came out in Britain and a lot of the UK
folcs gave their critiques on it.  I never expected to have the opportunity
to see it back then, so I read the spoilers;\  At the current rate of
progress, I may only ever know this movie by those spoilers<g>

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THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO, NBC
Mo 4/5 Dennis Franz, Monica Keena, "zipper'' player Ken Butler
Tu 4/6 Jon Stewart, Jane Krakowski, Sugar Ray
We 4/7 Rob Schneider, Lee Lee Sobieski, Phil Palisoul
Th 4/8 Teri Hatcher, Kobe Bryant, Lee Perry
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Finished watching the NK arc with Lord Nor.  I don't know which villan I
hate more in LNC - Lord Nor, Lex or Tempest.  All three actors who
portrayed those characters sure were good.
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Hi All,

Mandy's story When Separate Worlds Collide was posted to this list on
2-1-99.
  8 parts were posted.

Hope this helps,
Anne (ACdrift@aol.com)
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Ladies and Gents..

(sorry for the bandwidth -- this is a Kerth Awards public service
announcement..) <g>

I apologize if you are receiving this letter twice, I've tried to include
everyone to whom this pertained, or might potentially pertain, but I may
have missed one or two people.  Feel free to pass this on to anyone you
feel would also be interested.

A short time ago, Erin emailed many of the winners of this year's Kerth
Awards and informed them that there would be a HARD COPY of the Kerth Award
Certificate available from me shortly.

Well, the time has come <g>  Those of you who wish a copy of their
certificate in 8 X 10 format, printed on glossy or photo paper which can
then be framed, need to contact me at:

kerthcertificate@destinyy.com

Please include in your email ALL OF THE FOLLOWING:

<> Which certificate(s) you want for this year AND last year.
   NOTE:  Last year's certificates may take
          a little longer to get to you,
          since I've got to make them up first.
          If you have requests for certificates for
          last year, you need to be aware of that :)

<> Whether your name as it appears on the certificate
   at present is correct!  I don't want anyone coming
   back to me later and saying "This is wrong" -- if
   you need a change made to the graphic, please let
   me know in advance! :)

<> HOW MANY COPIES (of each) YOU WANT

<> YOUR COMPLETE SNAIL POSTAL MAILING ADDRESS

I will then compile a list of those who do want a hard copy, and how many
there are total, after which I'll send you all out another email detailing
how I'm going to do this <g>

I've already had quite a few people email me and tell me they _do_ want
these mailed out to them, but even if you've emailed me before, please do
me a favor and send me ANOTHER email as I just outlined so that I can keep
track of everyone!  kerthcertificate@destinyy.com  :)

In terms of 'costs' (for those who asked)  I'd like to be able to do this
gratis, and as far as my time is concerned, there's no problem.  As far as
the actual printing and shipping costs are concerned however -- the same
deal applies.  There will only be a cost if there ends up being more than
25 individual requests for both this year and last year (including all
those who wrote Round Robins, etc..) <g>  Each certificate I mail out is
the same, so it doesn't matter how many names are on it. If I get fewer
than 25 requests, I'll just print out however many orders I get and ship
them out post haste and no one has to worry about a cent.  I HATE having to
charge for anything I do for the FoLCs -- believe me I'm a terrible
accountant as well, so collecting money is a huge headache for me.

If there *is* a large number, however, it will cost each person exactly
what it costs me.  $3 each certificate -- in other words, whatever it would
cost me to purchase the paper and print everything out as professionally as
is possible.

To save in expenses, I'm not going to ship these out to a lab.  I do have a
photo-ret professional series printer, and I've done design work before, so
I can tell you right off, the certificate paper is around $1 a sheet for
the good stuff (8X10), the ink is around another $1 or so, and then
shipping is probably around the same, so as I said, $3 ought to cover it.
It's only when you multiply that $3 by numbers above 25 that it begins to
be a bit more than a labor of love for me, if ya know what I mean! <wink>

To give you an indication, I've already had around 10 people write to me
and say they want certificates, but four of those ten want circa 4
certificates each, whether for multiple awards or for multiple copies of
their award (this year and last).  You can see, with the number of winners
-- including Round Robin authors -- out there, just how many potential
certificates I will be printing out! ;)

Now.  Having said that...certainly if you WANT a certificate, and you can't
afford it just now.. please write to me privately and I'd be happy to send
you one anyway, I don't want anyone to go without if they'd like one. :)

Believe it or not, I've even had a FOLC write to me and offer to cover
expenses for other FoLCs!!  I was completely touched by that, and needless
to say I think this group of people is the most amazing I've ever had the
privilege to know. (That's my totally off topic little WAFF but I had to
say it :)

So, in the next week or two so I'll be collecting orders at:

kerthcertificate@destinyy.com

THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR's WINNERS need to write to me at that address,
include what I've asked for in their emails, and I'll then contact you all
on a short list with more details.

PS--> If you live in the UK or overseas (don't hyperventilate<wink>) --
please just contact me with the information I requested, and don't worry
about conversion of currency.  Unless you're ordering more than 10
certificates, it won't be worth your while to convert the cash, I know
that, and I have no problem sending the certs out to you guys free.  There
aren't a whole lot of people this concerns anyway.  NO WORRIES. :)

Congratulations to ALL of you, btw! :)

(and) Take Care..
Demi

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Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
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"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')

I went to the doctor, I went to the mountain.
I looked to the children, I drank from the fountain.
There's more than one answer to these questions,
pointing me in a crooked line.
The less I seek my source for some definitive
The closer I am to fine.
                - Indigo Girls
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By the way..

If you haven't already, you can see what the certificates look like here:

http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/Thm-kth99.html

Just click on the VIEW THE AWARD section of any given category, and it will
show you the final version.  You will need to note, however, that the
graphical frame will be removed from the hard copy, so that you can frame
it with whatever you'd like.  NO GRAPHICAL FRAME around the 8x10 -- don't
ask me where it went later -- I'll scream. <bg>

LOL ;)
Demi
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nightangel@home.com
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"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')

I went to the doctor, I went to the mountain.
I looked to the children, I drank from the fountain.
There's more than one answer to these questions,
pointing me in a crooked line.
The less I seek my source for some definitive
The closer I am to fine.
                - Indigo Girls
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I just got around to reading it - my computer had crashed!!! =(  Just
wanted to say that I LOVED the story!
~Jocelyn
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Date:         Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:32:38 -0500
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PROMO:  Season 6, Episode 7, "Fatal Attraction"

Airing Sunday, April 11, 1999

___________

ANNOUNCER:   For the last year and a half, Lex Luthor has been regaining
his power in Metropolis--and there was nothing Lois and Clark could do
about it.

___________

Lois: "People in Metropolis have been turning up dead for months now, and
the police still have no suspects!"

***

Beth Luthor:  "You're a remarkable business man, Lex.  You make it look so
easy."

Lex, kissing her hand:  "Thank you, my dear."

____________

ANNOUNCER:   But now, all that may be about to change....

_____________

Suddenly Clark sat up straighter.  "Speaking of being paranoid...."

Lois recognized his tone and looked over at him.  "What?"

Clark turned the magazine pages toward her so she could see the large
picture.  "Take a look at this picture.  You recognize anything?"

***

Lois:  "He knows you're Superman."

Clark:  "Where Luthor is involved, I'll do what I have to."

_____________

ANNOUNCER:  But while working to reveal Lex Luthor's secret, has Clark also
been hiding one of his own?

______________

<< Shot of a pretty young woman, checking her hair and reapplying her
lipstick. >>

<< Shot of a beaming Clark handing coffee to the young woman. >>

<< Shot of Lois and Clark kissing in the elevator. >>

Clark, putting a hand on Lois's shoulder:  "Are you OK?"

Lois, shrugging off his touch:  "This is getting a little old."

_____________

ANNOUNCER:  Now Clark must find the key to his past ...

_____________

Clark:  "I found something in the Jeep this morning."

Lois:  "What do you mean, *in* the Jeep??"

***

Superman:   "Dr. Klein, may I speak to you ... alone?"

_____________

ANNOUNCER:   ... in order to protect his future.

_____________

Clark:  "I love you both so much."

<< Shot of Clark kissing Lois and lowering her down to the bed. >>

Lois:  "And we love you, too."

______________

ANNOUNCER:  This Sunday, join S6 for ...

"Fatal Attraction" by Kathy Brown

Coming April 11 to a monitor near you!

<http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ >

______________

Lois:  "Just don't say I didn't warn you when we find a dead rabbit cooking
on our stove."

_______________

______________________
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Date:         Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:58:15 -0700
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Kathy Brown wrote:
>
>Lois:  "Just don't say I didn't warn you when we find a dead rabbit
cooking
>on our stove."

LOL, Kathy!  I'm not sure that I can wait until Sunday!

Pat

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Date:         Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:56:28 -0700
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Not fair! :(  Do we really have to wait until Sunday?
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> Lois:  "Just don't say I didn't warn you when we find a dead rabbit
cooking
> on our stove."

ROTFL!  Can't keep a smile off my face...it'll be kinda weird walking around
tomorrow...
:)

Nethra :)
who is trying to study...or sleep...can't decide which ;)
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Can I wait until Sunday to find out about this secret that Clark has
been keeping?

And all about that line that Lois said - WE LOVE YOU TOO

Well I guess so.  Love the show as much as the promos.

Sue
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Date:         Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:14:33 -0700
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Kathy

Thanks - I wasn't trying to be awkward or anything and it would be great if
FoLCs could perhaps give a warning if they are going to discuss movies like
that.

Actually, I didn't realise that Best Men hadn't been released in the US but
although it was released in the UK, it was only in a the West End and a
handful of select cinemas across the country and then only for a short time
and I didn't get to see it.  I have bought it now and can't wait to get the
opportunity to see it.  As for Futuresport, I have been having a real
problem getting this over here, but I will keep trying.  Also I hadn't
realised that the film I know as Dog Boys was known as Tracked over there
and of course I have seen this as it was on our Channel 5 TV last week and I
managed to record it, so thanks for that info.

Kind regards
Eileen B
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Sue wrote

>Finished watching the NK arc with Lord Nor.  I don't know which villain I
>hate more in LNC - Lord Nor, Lex or Tempest. >

Well I know that I hate them all equally - for very different reasons.

Nor (I refuse to call him Lord) is one of those cocksure villains who you
know is heading for a certain fall the minute he opens his mouth.

Lex - well Lex is just one big slimeball - pretending to love Lois when all
he wants to do is possess and if possible, take over the world at the same
time, regardless of anybody else's thoughts or feelings.  Lex may pay lip
service to being a caring individual but when the chips are down, Lex cares
for only one person and that is Lex!

As for Tempus - well he gives me the creeps.  The only saving grace he has
is that he doesn't even bother to pretend that he isn't evil.  His knowledge
of time travelling does make him a bit more dangerous in a way because he is
likely to pop up anywhere in time but on the whole, I don't think he is as
clever, or as devious, as Lex at his worst.

I have to agree that the actors who played these three villains were very
good and really suited to the roles they played.  Their characters are very
believable and mostly well written.

Regards
Eileen B
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Date:         Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:41:58 +0100
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"Futuresport" will be available to rent on video in the UK from 10th May.

Mary

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Date: 06 April 1999 18:10
Subject: Re: Dean movies (about "spoilers")

>Kathy
>
>Thanks - I wasn't trying to be awkward or anything and it would be great if
>FoLCs could perhaps give a warning if they are going to discuss movies like
>that.
>
>Actually, I didn't realise that Best Men hadn't been released in the US but
>although it was released in the UK, it was only in a the West End and a
>handful of select cinemas across the country and then only for a short time
>and I didn't get to see it.  I have bought it now and can't wait to get the
>opportunity to see it.  As for Futuresport, I have been having a real
>problem getting this over here, but I will keep trying.  Also I hadn't
>realised that the film I know as Dog Boys was known as Tracked over there
>and of course I have seen this as it was on our Channel 5 TV last week and
I
>managed to record it, so thanks for that info.
>
>Kind regards
>Eileen B
>
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You guys talking about Dean's movies make me want to go out and rent
them.  So probably next week, I plan to go to Blockbuster Video and rent
them and watch them when my kids are in school.  That is a good way to
spend a day, right Dean fans  LOL
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Date:         Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:44:15 EDT
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In a message dated 05/04/99 22:53:42 GMT Daylight Time, debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<< THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO, NBC
 Mo 4/5 Dennis Franz, Monica Keena, "zipper'' player Ken Butler
 Tu 4/6 Jon Stewart, Jane Krakowski, Sugar Ray
 We 4/7 Rob Schneider, Lee Lee Sobieski, Phil Palisoul
 Th 4/8 Teri Hatcher, Kobe Bryant, Lee Perry >>

I've just checked the CNBC teletext, and Teri's interview is scheduled for
Sunday 8pm in the UK (9pm CET).

Frances
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Sue

I agree absolutely - I have been trying to watch Best Men for ages - I
bought it three weeks ago but as I am the only Dean Cain fan in a huge
household, I have to wait until the house is empty, which as you can imagine
isn't very often.

However, I am sneaking a day off work next week and I too will have a day of
watching Dean movies when everybody is at work or school.  Knowing my luck
though, something is bound to happen to stop me indulging myself but I am
ever hopeful.

Regards
Eileen B
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Date:         Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:43:23 -0700
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I agree with all you have to say, Sue, with one large
exception.  Your subject was Real Writers VS Fan
Fiction.  I believe that Fan Fiction *is* real
writing.
--- Sue Modolo  wrote:
> I see nothing wrong with fan fiction.  I am sure
> there are many times
> you have watched TV shows/movies etc and thought,
> "Well that is not the
> way I would have written that particular scene if I
> had the chance to
> do."  We are not making any profits from fanfiction,
> so I see no harm in
> it.  I think that if the writers were to read some
> of the offerings on
> the net, they would be impressed that we thought
> enough of their efforts
> to it.

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--- Sue Modolo  wrote:
> Finished watching the NK arc with Lord Nor.  I don't
> know which villan I
> hate more in LNC - Lord Nor, Lex or Tempest.  All
> three actors who
> portrayed those characters sure were good.

This kind of reminds me of the recent thread about
"loving" all characters you write, even the villains.
I truly believe the writers of L&C did love their
villains.  They are both well-developed and well-cast.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:08:16 EDT
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Hi everyone <g>

The IRC Round Robin writers have been at it again, and as a result I have
the
pleasure of posting our latest story: Love Me Tender.  In it Lois and Clark
and the usual suspects help Perry and Alice celebrate their remarriage, but
an unusual side effect of Lois's pregnancy threatens to reveal just how
*super* a guy Clark really is ;).

We enjoyed writing this story and we hope you enjoy reading it.  As always
comments are welcome.

 Cheers,

  Eileen
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LOVE ME TENDER
Continued from Part 3
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<CrystalW>

"Don't go there," she admonished him.

It took a few more moments of practice before Clark regulated his emotions
well enough to keep his wife on the floor, but he was quite experienced at
maintaining a stoic exterior, so it didn't take him too long to transfer
that
control inwards. With his wife's altitude controlled by his calmness, he had
little choice in the matter.  His paternal jitters would have to wait.

When they felt they had the hang of it, they finally left the room and went
in search of Alice and Perry.  The ceremony was going to be late as it was,
and the last thing he needed was more stress.

"Honey," Clark called out quietly.

Lois looked back, the question on her face.

"When we go back to your mother... well... be sure you're holding my hand."

Lois nodded and laughed lightly, knowing that even Superman had his limits
on
control.

<Eraygun>

* * *

Unfortunately Dr. Klein was not having as much success keeping Ellen calm
and
cool. No sooner had Lois and Clark disappeared from view than she began to
fume.

"There! It's happening again! What did I tell you?" she said sharply to Sam.

Sam shrugged. "Now, Ellen, you're just imagining..."

Dr. Klein blanched a little. "Exactly what is happening, Mrs. Lane?" he
asked
anxiously.

"I am not imagining things. It's true!  Can't you see they are trying to cut
us out of their lives?!"

"Ellen --"

"First, they don't tell us about the baby, our *first* grandchild, until
almost all of Metropolis knows...

"Well, we were out of the country until last week, dear."

"They could have called!"

"Maybe they wanted to tell you in person," Dr. Klein offered.

Ellen rolled her eyes and seemingly ignored Dr. Klein's comment.

"And now," she continued theatrically, "they're trying to get us thrown out
of this wedding! My own daughter, my own flesh and blood ..."

Sam sighed, shook his head, and began to walk down the hallway away from
Ellen and Klein.

"Where are you going?" Ellen demanded.

"Well, I've heard Mike is catering this shindig and I'm going to see if he
needs any help in the kitchen."

Dr. Klein eyed Ellen carefully.

"Maybe I should go too," he said as he hurried down the corridor after Sam,
almost crashing into Lois and Clark as he rounded the corner.

<Misha>

Sam eyed Lois for a second, and she and Clark paused in the hallway.

"You might not want to go back that way, princess. Your mother's in full
voice today."

Lois sighed. "Thanks for the warning, Daddy."

Clark nodded his own thanks and the two doctors continued on their quest for
the kitchens.

When they were alone in corridor, Lois turned to Clark. "You need to go find
Perry and Jerry and Jimmy and the rest of the groomsmen. I'm going to go
through the kitchen, and take the back stairs up to the second floor."

Clark nodded and dropped a quick kiss on her forehead. "All right."

"And don't even think about my mother."

Clark hugged her closely. "I'll try."

"Clark," Lois warned as she felt her feet lighten.

"I promise, honey." Clark kissed her quickly as she settled again to the
ground. "I won't."

Lois kept his fingers in hers as he slowly stepped out of reach. When he
turned the corner, she let her hand drop, still feeling his warmth in her
palm. She smiled and turned toward the kitchen, her stomach giving a happy
little rumble of agreement with her direction.

As she neared the large doors, she passed her father and Dr. Klein on their
way to rejoin the other guests and laughed at their sheepish looks at being
caught licking their fingers.

When she stepped into the ordered chaos of the mansion's big kitchen,
however, her stomach did a very unhappy double back flip with a half-pike.
Lois leaned against the doorframe as the awful scent hit her nostrils.

"Lois!" Mike Lane stepped away from the groom's cake on which he was putting
the finishing touches. "You're as white as a sheet!" He turned to the side,
and pulled a small dish with a fork out of nowhere. "Here, sit, have
something to eat."

The gooey fudge cake and chocolate-raspberry sauce smothering it were pure,
dark, edible sin. Lois' eyes started watering as her stomach decided that
protest gymnastics were in order.

"I'm sorry, Uncle Mike." Lois almost sobbed as she stumbled backwards out of
the kitchen.

<zoomway>

*       *        *

Clark, after much scanning, discovered the down-hearted James Olsen sitting
on the terrace alone. Since Keith and Jerry were with their father, and
Perry
seemed to need their help, Clark stepped out onto the terrace.

Clark took a deep breath and sat next to his "wallowing" friend. "Hey, Jim."

"CK," Jimmy replied without looking up.

Clark leaned forward, resting his elbows on his knees.  "About ready for the
wedding, Jimmy?"

"I appreciate the small talk, CK, but it's not really helping."

Clark sighed. "Jimmy, it's a tough break about Jerry, but he *is* Perry's
son."

"When he's out on bail," Jimmy mumbled.

Clark put a hand on Jimmy's back. "He's *always* Perry's son, no matter
where
he is, Jimmy.  Just like Jack is *your* father, no matter where *he* is,"
Clark added softly.

"But I'm *always* there, CK, *always*!"

Clark nodded. "But see, Jimmy, you're the son Perry *chose* to love.  I
think
after Jerry went to prison and Keith drifted away, Perry didn't want to be
close to anyone, but," Clark smiled. "You got through. You're in a place no
one else can touch, Jimmy."

Jimmy picked up the video camera at his feet and offered  his hand to Clark.
"Thanks, CK. I don't know if that's true or not, but ... I feel better."

"Good," Clark smiled. "Is that my dad's new camcorder?"

"Yeah. I think he's ready to adopt me. Want a little brother?"

Jimmy and Clark laughed down the hallway, passing Mike, who had suddenly
felt
compelled to smell the chocolate for spoilage.

<chrispat>

* * *

Lois staggered back to the main hall and sat down on the nearest chair,
taking deep breaths. How could her favorite food turn on her like that?

Mrs. Stern turned from greeting some more arrivals and rushed over to her.
"Ach, ye puir wee thing. Ye're white as a sheet. Whatever is the matter?"

Lois took another deep breath, some of her color returning. "I'll be fine,
Mrs. Stern."

Mrs. Stern patted her on the back. "I'm sure you will, hen. These spells
shouldna' last much longer."

Lois looked up, startled, but Mrs. Stern had hurried away to greet another
guest.

A familiar voice then claimed Lois' attention as her sister Lucy suddenly
appeared around Mr. Stern's bulk.

Lois jumped up and rushed over to her sister. "Lucy! I'm so glad you're
here." She hugged her sister and whispered in her ear, "Mother and Daddy
arrived just a few minutes ago." Lucy looked horrified.

Suddenly another thought struck Lois. "*Why* are you here?"

Lucy looked a little embarrassed. "Jerry asked me."

Lois rolled her eyes. "I might have known. Well, Jerry's busy helping Perry
get ready for the wedding. You can go find Mother and Daddy. I need to
locate
the rest of the wedding party."

Lucy sighed sulkily, but turned to do as her sister asked.

<zoomway>

Lois closed her eyes. She sat down the instant her sister was out of sight.
The room felt as though it wanted to spin a bit clockwise, and then change
in
favor of the opposite direction. After a bit, the sickening sensation
passed.
 It was one of those days that looked good on paper, but when the blueprints
were left behind, there wasn't much salvageable about the clashing events.
She sighed. It was just a wedding, for crying out loud. Get a grip, she
scolded herself.

"Lois?"  Klein asked, his voice suddenly gone timid after tangling with
Ellen
Lane.

Lois opened her eyes. "You can come in, Doctor. My mother has no doubt moved
her broom to some other part of the castle."

Klein dabbed at his perspiring forehead. "Thank goodness. I mean I'm sure
your mother is a lovely woman when she's not so.. stressed."

"Not really," Lois said casually. "But I've been thinking and all I want to
know is how in the world Clark is making me float. It just *can't* be
possible."

Klein seated himself opposite Lois and looked at her thoughtfully. "Well,
you
and Clark both did tell me that Clark has some telepathic ability--"

"Yes," Lois shrugged. "But not telekenetic."

"It wouldn't necessarily have to be telekenesis, Lois. You told me that
Clark
often floats when worried or.. well..if he's.."

"Aroused?"

"Yes," Klein said, relieved Lois had finished his sentence. "That being the
case," he continued, "he's projecting his stressful or .. amorous feelings
telepathically to you, and his aura is the conduit."

"But how is that possible? He's not even *touching* me."

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<zoomway>

"When Clark is weightless, he makes any object he touches, likewise
weightless. It's not a matter of strength."

Lois rose to her feet. "I *know* that, Dr. Klein. But Clark isn't even
floating, he's just making *me* float."

"Exactly," Klein smiled. "Since it's all being projected telepathically, he
doesn't have to touch you."

"But that means--"

"I know," Klein nodded. "If Clark isn't careful of his thoughts, he could
have you floating at very inopportune moments."

Lois brushed back her hair. "Like there's an *opportune* moment?"

"Just stay calm," Klein soothed. "I'll find your husband and make certain he
doesn't think about floating or... the other thing."

"Thanks," Lois said flatly.

"Oh," Klein added. "You should sit down. You look like death warmed over."

Lois folded her arms. "It's my new makeup. 'Holocaust' from Revlon," she
sniped.

"Ah." Klein nodded. "Good name," he said, and vanished.

Lois began to reseat herself when the double doors at the end of the hallway
burst open as if from well-placed dymamite.

"Because you cheated, you Dixie-cup-wearing son of a--"

"Hold it!" Perry shouted to the two rumpled older men who were verbally
jousting as they entered.  "I sunk your lousy battleship fair and square,
dog
face!"

Jerry, and a younger man who Lois assumed was Perry's other son Keith, were
trying their best to keep the two older men and their father from killing
each other.  Lois smiled. She recognized Sailin' Whalin. The other must be
Stormin' Norman Haberstettzer, and he was right. Whalin was a lousy
Battleship player.

Lois walked up to Whalin and offered her hand. "Nice to see you again,
Admiral Whalin."

Whalin took her hand and literally dragged her to Norman. "Ha, try and beat
this one at Battleship!  She's probably a killer at Stratego, too!"

"That suits me just fine!" Norman thundered. "I never leave home without
Stratego."

"And Risk!" Whalin added.

"Good lord," Perry moaned. "You're here for a wedding, not a war!"

Whalin folded his arms. "You never met my first and third wives, Perry.
Whoever said 'war is hell' never was married."

<Misha>

Whalin doubled over suddenly, courtesy of Norman's elbow. "He's not marrying
*any* of your wives, Whalin! Perry's got more taste than that." His
declaration was punctuated with a snort.

Whalin grew red in the face, but couldn't think of any way to refute that
without insulting Alice, thus endangering his life. He turned to Lois with a
bow and mumbled some courtesy before slinking off down the corridor.

Jerry tugged on Perry's arm. "C'mon, Dad, we gotta get going."

"Yeah, Mom'll kill you if you're late to this ceremony, too."

"Now hold on there, Keith," Perry blustered. "I may have dropped the ring
behind the car seat, but your mother was the one who kept the guests
listening to organ music for forty-five minutes."

Keith chuckled. "Tell me you didn't appreciate the autographed album for a
wedding present."

Perry's smile warmed. "I'd have waited a lot longer than that for her, with
or without Elvis' signature."

Keith turned him around and pushed him down the corridor. "Get. I want to
make sure neither of you are late for this one."

Jerry pulled a small box from his pocket. "Yeah, no good excuses for you
this
time."

Keith offered his arm to Lois as Perry and Jerry retreated. "Shall we find
Mom and get this show on the road?"

<Eraygun>

Lois smiled as she took his arm. "You didn't make it to last night's
rehersal
dinner so I guess I should formally introduce myself.  I'm--"

"Lois Lane," Keith interrupted flashing a broad grin that made him look like
a younger Perry. "I know all about you."

Lois smirked. "Oh, really?"

Keith nodded. "Yep. You've been one of the main topics of conversation in my
family ever since you joined the Planet."

Lois's smile wavered a little. "I was? What exactly did you talk about?" she
asked a little nervously.

"Well, actually, Dad did all the talking. We just listened. It seemed like
every week there was some new exploit ...."

Lois blushed a little. "I'm sorry..."

"There's nothing to be sorry about. You have no idea how much you helped
me."

"I don't quite understand. How did I help?"

"You know Dad. He's got printer's ink in his blood and he always wanted one
of us to follow in his footsteps at the Planet. It was a major
disappointment
to him when neither Jerry nor I had a interest in journalism. But when you
joined the Planet, it was like he had found someone who finally shared his
passion, his love, for it."

"And that took the heat off you, so to speak," Lois offered.

"Exactly. Suddenly it didn't matter that I majored in quantum physics and
couldn't write a headline if my life depended on it," he continued, giving
her another big smile. "I owe you big time."

<chrispat>

*       *        *

Fifteen minutes later, the bride and bridesmaids were all gathered outside
the double doors leading into the atrium. Alice hugged everyone and took a
deep breath. This was it, finally. The doors opened and the strains of 'Love
Me Tender' were heard.

Lois took a deep breath too, hoping that something wouldn't upset Clark and
set her floating down the aisle. She had had one slight scare as Clark
escorted her mother to her seat, but luckily she had been able to keep her
feet on the ground.

She started down the aisle, looking for Clark among the groomsmen lined up
beside Perry. Her eyes found him at once, and she gasped at the look of love
on his face. It was the very same look he had had at their wedding. She had
to look down at her feet to make sure she wasn't floating from sheer
happiness. How had she been so lucky to win the love of the best man on or
off Earth? She gave him a brilliant smile as she took her place.

The other bridesmaids took their places, and the organ broke into the
traditional wedding march. Everyone's eyes turned to Alice as she made her
way down the aisle to join Perry in front of the minister. By this time the
guests had had time to get used to the sequins and sideburns.

The wedding proceeded smoothly, Jerry only dropping the ring once, and
everyone teared up at the strains of 'The Hawaiian Wedding Song.'

The minister finished with a flourish. "And in the name of the Church of
Blue
Suede Deliverance, I now pronounce you husband and wife!"

Everyone applauded as the bride and groom kissed, covering the wheezing of
the bagpipes warming up.

Ellen jumped as the piper burst into 'Mari's Wedding.' "What the heck is
that???" she whispered to Lucy, who had been unlucky enough to be seated by
her.

Lucy wiped away a tear as the happy couple passed by. "Oh, Mother! Who
cares?
That was the most romantic wedding I've ever seen."

Ellen sniffed. "I'll just ask Lois then. She knows how to speak to her
mother."

<zoomway>

*****

Lois and Clark walked hand-in-hand into the large ballroom where the other
guests had gathered for the reception.  Alice and Perry were off changing
into their traveling togs, and a 'lounge lizard' nameless band started to
play pop tunes with all the enthusiasm of an elevator speaker system.
Stormin' Norman and Sailin' Whalin sat at a far table using condiment
bottles
for their faux regiments and submarines.

Lois nudged Clark and pointed to his father. Jonathan was drifting down the
buffet table with a platter. Martha was behind him quietly removing any and
all duplicate items, or those that would fall under the "high cholesterol"
banner.

Clark crooked his arm lovingly around Lois's neck and kissed her temple
gently. "How about we get my parents off to the side?"

"A little chat?"

"Yeah," he whispered. "They might have an idea about this new ...
situation."

"You want to talk to them alone?" Lois asked, and ran her hand down Clark's
lapel.

"No way," he laughed. "I get tongue-tied, remember?"

"So, I stand there and hold cue cards?"  Clark laughed and tugged her
towards
the table. "You just might have to."

"Mom," Clark said as he reached the table. "You missed two cookies, and one
deviled egg."

Jonathan raised his eyebrows and looked at his plate. "Martha!"

Martha frowned. "You're not too big to spank, Clark Kent."  Lois started to
agree with her mother-in-law, but thought better of the comment.

Clark grinned sheepishly. "Sorry, Mom."  He took a deep breath. "But I would
like to talk to you and Dad about .. well.. this whole becoming a father
thing... I ... well.."

Lois placed a calming hand on her husband's chest. "He's having an anxiety
attack."

Jonathan chuckled. "That's understandable, son. I don't think any couple is
ever completely ready to be parents."

Martha sneaked another cookie off of Jonathan's plate. "It was pretty much
on-the-job training for us, honey."

"I know, Mom, but I'm having an unusual.. manifestation of my anxiety."

"Manifestation?" Jonathan asked, while Martha shared a knowing look with
Lois.

"Well.. yeah. If I obsess on the idea--"

"And he *always* obsesses," Lois interrupted.

"It seems I project that obsession on Lois and it turns to stress, and when
it turns to stress--"

"I float."

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<zoomway>

"Too *much*," Jonathan replied. "I didn't understand half of what you were
saying, and the half I did understand, well, I figured my hand would be a
little too slow to do."

Jimmy shrugged. "Well, I could do the taping for you. Looks like I don't
have
much of a purpose at this wedding anyway."

Martha rubbed Jimmy's shoulder. "Perry's son?"

Jimmy sighed. "Yeah. I mean I know he's Perry's kid and all, and it should
be
him at the wedding being the best man, but I--"

"But you've *been* there for Perry more than a son."

Jimmy half-smiled. "Thanks, I was hoping *somebody* noticed."

"Son," Jonathan said, "Perry didn't make this decision easily."

Jimmy looked slightly relieved. "For real?"

"Well," Martha sighed. "We just got here a half hour ago, volunteering for
help if they needed any. Jonathan got camcorder duty, but the argument was
still in progress."

<chrispat>

Jonathan put his arm around Jimmy's shoulders. "Perry wanted you to be his
best man, but Alice had some good points too. You know Jerry is trying to
put
his life back together. He needs to feel his parents are behind him."

Jimmy sighed. "Yeah, but..."

"But nothing. Perry made the right decision. You know he didn't decide this
lightly. Now what did you say about that fade thing?"

Jimmy sighed again, but took back the video camera. "See this button?...."

*       *        *

"Oh wow, Clark," Lois exclaimed as the jeep rounded a corner of the long
drive, and the Stern mansion came into sight. "It's huge...and so elegant.
Do
you think it was a good idea for Uncle Mike to cater this? This is a lot
different from putting on a beer bash for a retirement party at the
printsetters' union."

Clark reached over and grasped her hand as he brought the car to a stop at
the bottom of the imposing steps leading to the door. "He'll be fine. We
both
know what a great cook he is."  He kissed her fingers. "If you're worried,
why don't you go see if you can find him and see how he's doing while I find
out where we're supposed to park."

Lois smiled gratefully and kissed him quickly. "Okay. I'll see you inside. I
just hope we'll be able to find each other."

She jumped out of the car and ran up the steps. Clark watched her go,
shaking
his head. Would she ever learn to slow down? They weren't that late.

He watched until she reached the door and then, following the directions
given by a hovering attendant, drove to the parking area. He was still a bit
worried about Lois. He had brought her some German chocolate that he had
picked up on his last Superman foray, and she had turned absolutely green
when she opened the package. That was something he had never thought he
would
see. He wondered what other surprises the day had in store.

<CrystalW>

When Lois entered the house, she headed toward the back of the entrance hall
to find the kitchen, but saw her uncle almost instantly.

"Uncle Mike!"

Mike turned around quickly, nearly dropping the tray of hors d'oeuvres he
was
carrying, when he heard Lois call his name.

Laughing, Lois helped him steady the tray, while she hugged him with her
other arm.

"I just wanted to say hello. When did you get demoted to bussing tables?"
she
asked him with a smile.

He returned the smile ruefully.  "Since the help I hired disappeared without
a word.  This place is so big they're probably lost."

Lois grinned as she snatched a small niblet of food from the tray, and
sighed
as she sank her teeth into it.  "I'd love to help," she said around the bite
of food, "but I have to find out where I'm supposed to be."

Mike held the tray slightly away from her as he pointed down the hallway to
the right of the entrance.  "Most of the suits and gowns have been going
that
way," he said briefly.  "If you see any of those useless kids that're
supposed to be helping me, send them back to work."

Lois kissed him lightly on the cheek and grabbed another hors d'oeuvre as
she
headed in the direction he'd indicated.

"Eating for two," she grinned.  Her uncle, wisely, didn't say a word.

She was halfway down the seemingly endless hallway when she ran into Jimmy.
He assured her that she was going the right way, and apologized that he
hadn't been at the door to direct her.  Lois thought it was odd that Jimmy
seemed so quiet and distracted on such a special day, but she didn't have
time to comment on it.  Following his instructions, she found the stairs to
the second floor.

She went to the fourth door on the left, and knocked lightly.

Before she realized what had happened, the door opened a crack and an arm
reached through and yanked her into the room before shutting the door behind
her with a resounding thump.

She found herself facing the stunning bride, who was being frantically
fussed
over by an older woman.  A single wave of hair had separated from the
complex
style that Alice wore, and the woman was frantically attempting to glue the
patch in place with a combination of hairspray and mousse.

"I knew I shouldn't have tried a new hair style today," Alice was saying in
a
flustered voice, watching the inadequate results in the mirror.

Her makeshift hairdresser mumbled something that sounded like agreement,
then
sighed.  "This is what you get for having naturally curly hair," she told
Alice.

Lois stepped forward, quite experienced with dealing with that particular
problem.  She reached over towards Alice's bouquet which had been discarded
on a table by the door, and chose a small rosebud from it.

Stepping forward, she placed her hand on Alice's arm.  "I have an idea," she
said in her most confident voice.  Within a few moments, she had tucked the
bud behind Alice's ear in a manner that held the stubborn strands in place,
and blended beautifully with her dress.

With relief, Alice examined the results in the mirror.  "I just want
everything to be perfect," she said in a voice that was near tears.

Lois nodded, hugging her lightly.  "It will be," she told the older woman
firmly.  "Trust me."

Alice nodded absently, patting carefully at the new hair style.

She was still facing the mirror when Lois turned back to the door.  She
stopped abruptly, suddenly feeling dizzy, and put out a hand to steady
herself.

The woman who had yanked her into the room while working with Alice's hair
had left as quickly as she had forced Lois to enter, and Martha was now
coming through the same door.  It took a moment for Lois to realize why
Martha wore such a stunned look on her face.

Stepping forward, Martha took Lois's hand and tugged.  It was then that Lois
realized she had been floating inches off the floor.  Glancing back at
Alice,
Lois was grateful to see that the incident hadn't been noticed, then she let
her shocked eyes meet the similar expression worn by her mother-in-law.

"Oy," she whispered.

<Eraygun>

"What was that, Lois?" Alice asked, slightly swiveling in her chair.

"Oh, nothing ... at all," Lois and Martha replied in unison, as Martha
positioned herself to block Alice from turning around completely.

"You look absolutely stunning, Alice." Martha gushed, attempting to divert
attention from her floating daughter-in-law.

"You think so?" Alice replied with a nervous giggle.

"Absolutely," Lois agreed, nodding vigorously. Then she gave a slight yelp
as
the jerking motion of her head started her floating higher.

Martha's eyes widened in panic and she gripped Lois's hand even tighter.
"Lois, honey, I think we need to find Clark right now, don't you?  I mean,
he
... ah... he asked me to come up and ah ... get you ..."

Lois smiled weakly. "I think that would be a wonderful idea - that is, I'll
go right down."

"Oh, don't go yet..." Alice began.

Martha blanched as Lois started to drift upwards again. "But we have to go,"
she replied almost frantically. "The guests are beginning to arrive and I
...
ah, I promised Mrs. Stern I'd be the official greeter when she came back up
here with you."

"Maybe Lois could still stay until either Mrs. Stern or my sister Gladys
gets
back.  I 'm still a little nervous and I could use the company."  As Alice
spoke she rose from her chair and turned.

<Mackteach>

Before Alice turned completely around, Martha hustled Lois out the door,
then
turned back to explain.  "I'm sorry, Alice.  Lois isn't feeling very well
...
the pregnancy and all ..."

Alice nodded sympathetically.  "I understand.  I hope she feels better
before
the wedding starts.

"Me too," Martha mumbled.  She looked out into the hallway and saw that Lois
was sitting in one of the ornate chairs that were spaced along the wall. She
was gripping the arms of the chair tightly and had draped her jacket over
her
lap, so that if anyone passed by they wouldn't notice her floating off the
chair's seat.  Martha sighed in relief as she heard some voices coming the
opposite direction from where Lois sat.

Turning back into the room, she informed the bride, "Alice, I believe Mrs.
Stern is coming."

Alice smiled resignedly and rolled her eyes.  "Probably to tell me more
Scottish wedding traditions.  That blood vow one just about set me off.  Can
you imagine, Martha?  Slitting the couple's wrists and then binding them
together with cloth?  I'm *marrying* Perry, not becoming his blood brother!"
Alice giggled nervously.

"Yes dear," Martha mumbled.  "I'd better see to Lois."  With that, she
closed
the door and hurried to Lois' side.

"Lois!" she whispered insistently.  "You're floating!"

"Tell me something I don't know, Martha."

Martha placed her hand under Lois' elbow and urged her to stand. "Let's find
Clark," she whispered.

Lois nodded, and arm in arm, they descended the staircase.

At the bottom, Lois sighed and placed her hand over her stomach.  "Listen,
kiddo, now is *not* the time to show your latent Kryptonian tendencies ...
Listen to me, Martha!  I'm starting to sound like Ruth Friskin!"

"And how does that make you feel, Lois?"

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<zoomway>

Martha put a hand to her cheek. "Oh, honey, so that's what was causing it.
That could be dangerous."

Lois nodded. "Tell me about it."

"Well, son," Jonathan shrugged. "If the anxiety is over Lois' pregnancy or
fear of becoming a father, I think when you start to feel more at ease with
that--"

"The stress will go away," Martha said, finishing the thought.

Clark shook his head. "That's great, Dad, but I don't know how to *not*
obsess on Lois' pregnancy.  I love her in a way that ... well.. connects me
to her always."

"Which is usually great," Lois said softly. "But right now, he's connected
to
me telepathetically. Dr. Klein says that when Clark is feeling stressed or
aroused--"

"Lois--"

"Clark, your parents know we arouse each other."

Clark blushed fiercely. "I guess they do now."

"Honey," Martha laughed. "Lois wouldn't be pregnant if she bored you."

Jonathan started choking on a deviled egg. "Lord," he coughed. "The birds
and
the bees used to be so cut and dried."

"Does Dr. Klein have any suggestions for reducing stress, or at least for
keeping you from affecting Lois?" Martha asked.

Clark quickly scanned the ballroom. "Well, he's standing on the balcony." He
shrugged. "Maybe we should ask him."

"Good idea, son," Jonathan nodded with relief. "If Lois were going to foal
or
have a calf, I'd feel qualified to help...but floating..."

"The groundbreaking Kents," Lois sighed. "Come on," she said, and tugged
Clark toward the balcony.

Klein looked up as they stepped out into the cool air. "I'm glad it's you
two," he said, as he picked at the contents of his plate. "I've almost been
expecting that neighbor woman from 'Bewitched' to see you floating and start
screaming 'Abner! Abner!'"

Lois grabbed his tuxedo jacket. "Don't crack up on us now, Dr. Klein!"

Klein shrugged. "I'm not cracking up, Lois, but I have to admit I didn't
think of that crazy woman until I met your mother."

Clark tried not to laugh, but couldn't help himself. There *was* some
resemblance between Lois' mother and Gladys Kravitz.

"Dr. Klein," Clark finally mangaged to say. "All we'd like to know is if
there's a way to control this floating problem? Stop my .. stress..and
obsessing."

"I've been thinking about that, Clark," Klein said, and set his plate on the
ledge of balcony. "I think stress can be controlled in this case by simply
letting it happen... though not in anyone else's view of course."

Clark sighed. "I'm not sure I know what you mean."

"I think he means I should float," Lois offered.

"Something like that, Lois," Klein said, "but do so on purpose.  That is,
Clark, hold Lois, and float with her."

"But--"

"Maybe we can dance," Lois said, and stepped into Clark's arms.

"Ah," Clark smiled. "This isn't dancing."

Klein picked up his plate. "It's not?"

"No," Lois said as she and Clark drifted upward. "This is."

Klein smiled and leaned against the railing as the couple floated and spun
above him, the stars as their backdrop. Even the horrible band couldn't ruin
the moment. It was perfect, or would have been, had Ellen not suddenly
stepped onto the balcony.

"Abner!" Klein shouted, and then dropped his plate over the ledge.

<Misha>

Ellen shot a sharp glance at him, and Klein winced, even though his gaze
remained on the pile of deviled eggs and cheespuffs in the dirt below.

"Oh," she said in a flat, unenthused voice. "I thought my daughter was out
here." She sighed dramatically and spun on her heel.

Klein watched her cut a swath through the ballroom. Apparently someone had
managed to warn the guests, because even the fortunates who had yet to make
an acquaintance with 'Dragon Lady' Lane ducked out of her way. The dance
floor cleared a straight path to an exit.

Clark and Lois drifted back down into view. Lois' head was buried in Clark's
shoulder and she was shaking violently. Klein watched worriedly as Clark set
her on her feet, only to see her bob up a few inches into the air again.

Lois took a deep breath and looked up at Clark with a smile on her face.
"I'm
okay, Clark." She glanced at Klein. "Did you have to yell 'Abner?'" She
asked
with a chuckle.

Klein shrugged helplessly. "I couldn't think of anything else fast enough.
It
worked, didn't it?"

Clark grinned. "It did, thank you."

Lois settled to the ground as applause broke out in the ballroom. Perry and
Alice made their entrance.  The three stepped back into the room just as
Alice brandished her bouquet over her head.

<Eraygun>

As the single women at the reception crowded around Alice, Clark spied Jimmy
glumly sitting alone at a table in the back of the room.

"I wonder what's the matter now?" he mumbled.

"Why don't you go see?" Lois said as she smiled and reached up to brush an
errant lock of hair off of his forehead.

"But honey.."

"I'll be fine. Dr. Klein is right here, and besides, this will give you
something else to obssess about besides me."

Clark started across to the table, but before he could reach it, Jerry
appeared next to Jimmy. Wary of the situation, Clark kicked in his
superhearing.

"Mind if I join you?"

"It's a free country."

As Jerry sat down, two beers were instantly deposited on the table. Reaching
into his pocket, Jerry suddenly noticed the tough looking young man dressed
in a waiter's uniform who was looming over them.

"Guido?" he asked hesitantly as he handed the man a tip.

Putting up his hand to refuse the money, the hefty waiter nodded and smiled.
"It's on me. I told ya I'd buy ya a drink the next time I saw ya." He turned
and headed back to the bar.

"Buddy of yours?" Jimmy asked.

"Well, more like a neighbor..." Jerry began.

Jimmy snorted. "He must have had the adjoining cell when you were both
*guests* of the state."

Jerry shrugged. "Something like that." He stared at Jimmy for a few moments
and then took a few sips from his beer. "You don't like me very much, do
you?" he asked suddenly.

"Why should I?"

"I didn't think the fact I did time would --"

"The fact you were in jail has nothing to do with what I think about you.
The
way you treated you father does."

"The way I treated Dad?"

"Yeah, you hurt him ... betrayed his trust."

Jerry sighed and took a long drink from his glass of beer. "I know that, and
I did it more than once. A day doesn't go by when I don't think about how I
hurt both him and Mom, but I'm trying to put it behind me now. I want a
clean
slate with them and part of that includes getting over my sibling rivalry
with you."

"Your what?"

<chrispat>

Jerry sighed again. "Yeah. You've been there for my dad all along. I was
more
interested in chasing a buck. It wasn't until I saw what a great
relationship
you two had that I realized what I was missing. I could have had that too if
I had given him a chance."

Jimmy stared at Jerry. "You mean this isn't all his fault? He thinks it is,
you know?"

"Really? I always thought it was my fault. He did try, even when I got into
trouble, but I wouldn't listen. I thought I knew it all. This time I'm
serious. I'm gonna try to make it up to him, and if that includes having an
extra brother, that's okay by me."

Jimmy grinned. "Hey! I wouldn't mind having a brother."

Clark turned his attention back to Lois and grinned. "Well, I don't think we
have to worry about that sibling rivalry any more."

Lois smiled back, but stiffened as she saw Lucy approach Jerry and Jimmy.
"Oh, God. My mother is going to go ballistic."

Clark wrapped his arms around Lois, pulling her close. "Let her. Lucy is a
grown woman, and besides, I think Jerry has really seen the light this time.
Lucy could do a lot worse."

Lois snuggled into Clark's warmth. "If you say so," she murmured dreamily.
"Do you think we could go now? I think I need some float therapy."

<zoomway>

"Hmm, float therapy," Clark growled next to her ear. "I can feel myself
floating already."

"Is that the arousal floating or the anxiety floating?" Lois teased.

Clark thought a moment. "I guess I'm anxious if I don't get you home soon,
everyone here will know you're arousing me."

"Ooh," Lois giggled. "You sweet talker. Float us home."

"And then?"

"Then we can talk about ships and shoes and ..." she glanced up at the
decorated vault above them, "... and ceiling wax and cabbages and --"

Clark laughed. "That's 's-e-a-ling wax', honey."

"Not the kind I have in mind!"

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LOVE ME TENDER

An IRC Round Robin by Mackteach (mackteach@aol.com); Misha
(mhall@sound.net);
zoomway (zoomway@aol.com); chrispat (cp13607@aol.com); CrystalW
(JCWimmer@aol.com); Eraygun (Eraygun@aol.com)
_____________________

<Mackteach>

Clark sat on the sofa, exhorting the home team to victory. "Geez, play some
defense, willya?  That point guard has the run of the whole court!"

Lois stood at the stop of the stairs and yelled down.  "Clark?"

Keeping his eyes focused on the television, he yelled back.  "Just a sec,
honey.  No!  Not a stall!"  He sat back dejectedly on the sofa as he watched
the basketball stolen and dribbled the length of the court for a layup by
the
opposing team as time ran out and the game ended.

"Clark?"

Using the remote, Clark turned off the television and headed toward the
stairs.  "What's up, Lois?"

"I need some help up here.  Could you give me a hand?"

"Be right up."

Clark went up the stairs and headed for their bedroom.  "What did you need,
hon--"

At the sight that greeted him, words suddenly failed Clark.  He opened and
closed his mouth reflexively, swallowing the sudden lump in his throat.

Lois looked at Clark and smirked.  "What's the matter, Clark?  You've seen
me
in my underwear before."

"Um, yeah ... well ... just not ... *those* ..."

Lois looked down at herself.  "What, these little things?"

Clark took a step forward.  "Sweetheart, 'little' isn't the word for them."

"Oh? Then what is?"

Clark kept his gaze focused just above Lois' collarbone.  Any higher, he
would have fallen into her dark chocolate eyes.  Any lower and he would have
lost what self-control he had.  Lois had always been a beautiful and sexy
woman.  But now, with the pregnancy, everything about her just seemed to be
more ... enhanced.  And just as when he first met her, Clark was even more
powerless against her natural charms.

Lois caught his slightly glazed-over look.  "Clark?"

"Hmmm?"

"What is?"

"What is what?"

"If 'little' isn't the right word, then what is?"

"Oh."  Clark thought as he walked toward Lois.  "Skimpy ... sexy ...
enticing
... arousing ... completely ... totally ..."  He stopped just in front of
her.

"Yes?"  Her eyes shined with excitement.

"Unnecessary," Clark managed to say before his mouth descended on hers,
completely covering it, stealing her breath away.

*       *       *

Lois lifted her head from the pillow and sneaked a look at the clock.  "I
suppose it would be bad form to stay here the rest of the afternoon and
evening."

Clark chuckled as he hugged her to him.  "That it would. The wedding is at
five, and if we're late, Perry will have our hides."

Lois smiled against Clark's chest.  "Yeah. So will Alice."

She sighed and kissed his chest, lightly biting him.  "Well, we already
missed the limo, and it takes over half an hour to get out to the Sterns if
we drive, so better get a move on, buster."

Her attention was drawn back to his face as she heard his soft chuckle.

"You keep doing things like that, honey, and there'll be one less bridal
attendant."

"And one less groomsman."

"Perry would still have our hides."

"So would Alice."

Lois trailed a finger down the center of his chest, her eyebrow raised in
mock consternation.  "Y'know .. instead of lying there looking absolutely
good enough to eat ... you *could* get dressed."

Clark smiled his mega-watt smile and winked.  "I'll be ready faster than you
can say --"

"Don't say it."

"Okay."

Clark sat up and propped the pillows behind him as he watched Lois get
dressed.  Her movements were fluid and unconsciously sensual.  He sighed as
he took notice of her slightly bulging abdomen.  So far, Lois' pregnancy had
been fairly normal and routine.  But still, Clark couldn't help but worry.
After all, they were in "uncharted territories" as Dr. Klein put it.  Clark
just hoped that Lois and the baby would be all right.

"What is it?"

Lois' question broke into his thoughts.  Quickly, he diverted the question
with one of his own.  "Have I ever told you that I always dreamed of seeing
you in burgundy?"

As Lois pulled the dress onto her shoulders, she smiled softly.  "Once or
twice.  But tell me what you were really thinking about just now."

Clark smiled sheepishly.  She knew him too well.  "Are you going to be okay
today?  I mean, there's going to be a lot of excitement, I'm sure."

Clark got off the bed and walked to the closet.  Lois watched him move,
admiring the play of his muscles as he walked.  "Clark, I'm pregnant, not
terminally ill.  I'll be fine."

Clark went into spin-mode, quickly dressing in his charcoal gray suit.

"I know, honey, but ..

"Have I ever told you about this thing I have about charcoal suits?  Clark
..."  She walked toward him and placed her hands on his chest.  "I know this
is scary and that you're worried.  But, if we can't trust Dr. Klein, then
who
can we trust?  Everything will be fine."

Clark sighed, seeing the look in Lois' eyes.  "All right."  His grin
returned.  "So tell me about you and charcoal suits."

Lois' smile widened and she reached out to adjust his tie.  "Maybe later."

"Promise?"

"Promise."

"Good."  Clark checked his watch.  "Shall we go then?"

Lois reached for the jacket that matched her burgundy dress.  "Yeah.  We've
got a wedding to go to."

Clark grinned and scooped her into his arms.  "I'm really happy for Perry
and
Alice.  Some loves are just meant to be."

Lois smiled and looked deeply into his eyes.  "Yeah.  Just like ours."

"Yup."  Clark walked down the stairs carrying his precious cargo.

<Misha>

*       *        *

The Stern estate was anything but. A large house just to the north of
Metropolis proper, it had a beautiful view of the skyline, and an even
better
view of the gardens that had earned it a place in Home and Garden's 'Ten
most
beautiful European Gardens in the US'. The long drive up the side of the
hills overlooking the city took far too long for Jonathan.

Martha sighed as they stepped out of the limo. "Oh, that was a marvelous
allee. I think I'd like to paint that."

Jonathan huhhed and straightened his good suit. "I thought you had switched
to sculpture."

"I did. Watercolors don't have enough punch. But if I used latex on the barn
walls..." She stared back along the drive, then swept her gaze over the
grey-green hedges, silvery in the sunlight, up to the large house. Glass
glinted in the sun, and Martha pointed towards the back of the house.
"There's the atrium- looks like they're still setting up."

Jonathan grunted and waved the limo driver off. "So the limo was a little
early."

"Jonathan- the limo was for Lois and Clark."

"Not my fault they weren't ready."

Martha smiled and took her husband's arm. "Now, Jonathan, I'm sure they had
a
reason for being late."

Jonathan chuckled and patted her hand. "I'm sure they did, Martha."

Martha shot a sly glance at her husband. "Probably the same reason we were
late to the Harris wedding thirty odd years ago."

They both laughed and stepped into the house. "Let's see if we can't find
Perry or Alice and offer to help."

<zoomway>

*       *       *

Martha, who was straightening the arrangements in the atrium, more to have
something to do than anything else, started at the sound of a door slamming.
She and Jonathan, who had been quietly studying a camcorder manual, looked
up
as Jimmy Olsen stormed down the aisle.

Her motherly radar blipping furiously, she stood in Jimmy's path.  Though
Mr.
Olsen was trying not to let his feelings show, he was the type of person
that
if his slightly well-fed, ready-to-play puppy exterior was displaced, it was
all too obvious.

"Honey," Martha said, snagging the young man's sleeve. "You're so good when
it comes to cameras, and Jonathan... well, is such a farmer when it comes to
cameras."

Jonathan chuckled softly.  "I'm afraid Martha's right about that, son. I'd
sure appreciate any advice," he said, and handed the camcorder to Jimmy. He
then winked at Martha.

Jimmy looked over the camera, made a few adjustments, and then held the
camera in front of Jonathan.

"This should have it all ready to go, Mr. Kent. Press this to get the date
setting out of the way, this is for a white fade in or out, make sure you
have it on a still white object to start or it won't work, you've got one of
those older ones that has a battery the size of a toaster, and oh, but you
do
have a good wide to narrow angle toggle right here under the--"

"Whoa, boy, whoa!"

"Too fast?" Jimmy asked.

Continued in Part 2
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<Mackteach>

"Oh! Dr. Friskin ... er, I mean, Ruth!  I didn't see you there."

Dr. Friskin smiled benignly.  "I'm sure you didn't, Lois.  I was *trying* to
find my way to the atrium, and get a look at the magnificent house," she
added with a mischievous look, "when I overheard my name. Is something
wrong?
 Talking to your unborn child is quite natural, you understand."

Lois smiled tightly.  "Nothing's wrong, Ruth.  Nothing that having *Clark*
here wouldn't fix."  Lois' voice got louder as she emphasized Clark's name.

"And here he is," Dr. Friskin said.

Lois and Martha turned and smiled with relief as Clark, followed by
Dr.Klein,
appeared as if on cue.

"The doctor and I met in the parking lot," Clark explained absently, his
eyes
on Lois' strained expression

Dr. Friskin nodded thoughtfully, her gaze also on Lois' face. "Ah, the
hormonal swing of a pregnant woman.  It's a very fascinating phenomenon, and
one that I've been meaning to study for quite a while ..."

"But not today, pumpkin."

"Now, Bernie.  Of course I wouldn't spoil the day by trying to analyze Lois.
I was just making a comment."

Klein smiled at Dr. Friskin before turning his attention to Lois.  "And
how's
the mother-to-be?"  Klein noted that Clark had moved to Lois' side and was
exerting some pressure on her arm.  "Feeling all right?"

Lois' natural sarcasm took hold.  "A little ... light, Dr. Klein."  She
turned to Clark, staring into his concerned face.  "I think I need to lie
down, Clark."

Clark understood and nodded.  Dropping his voice to a level that only Lois
could hear, he suggested, "Maybe Dr. Klein should do a quick check."

Lois smiled in relief and responded just as quietly.  "Absolutely."

She turned to Klein.  "Dr. Klein?  Clark and I need to talk to you ... about
... Superman."

For once, Klein received the message loud and clear.  "Certainly.  Why don't
we see if this room is available ..."  He led the way to one of the many
doors.  Clark and Lois followed, Clark's firm arm around her shoulder
keeping
her feet in contact with the floor.

As the door closed, Martha sighed and turned to Dr. Friskin.  "They could be
a while, Ruth. Let's go join Jonathan in the atrium."

<Misha>

When the door clicked shut on the long hallway, Clark let go of Lois' arm.
Lois began to slowly drift upwards until she was about five inches above the
floor. There she floated, bobbing up and down slowly.

"Oh dear." Klein sat down in the nearest overstuffed chair.

Lois perched her hands on her hips and bobbed a few centimeters upwards.
"What is happening to me?"

Klein looked her up and down and gestured weakly at the air. "Well ...
you're
floating."

"Doctor Klein..."

Klein turned to Clark and shrugged. "I really can't tell. There are tests I
can run back at the lab, of course, and I'd like to get a blood sample to
compare against yours, but ..." He rubbed the back of his neck. "You're the
expert on flying."

Clark frowned. "Can you control it at all, honey?"

Lois threw up her hands. "I've tried! I haven't forgotten everything I
learned from you!" She drifted a little higher.

"Well, you are ..." Klein gestured towards the ceiling. "... flying higher
the more excited you get. You could try calming down, taking a few deep
breaths..."

Lois glared at them. "I can be calm."

"Honey, why don't you try those Indian relaxation techniques I showed you."

"Clark." Lois rolled her eyes. "The only reason you think those stupid
techniques worked was because I fell asleep halfway through your
explanation!"

Clark floated upwards and wrapped his arms around Lois. "I know, honey." He
chuckled. "How about I explain the other half to you?"

Lois smiled grudgingly as they drifted floorwards. "I'm supposed to help
Alice get remarried, Clark, not take a nap."

The door opened suddenly as Lois and Clark's feet hit the ground. A slightly
built man in a white serving uniform peeked around the door. "Mr. Lane?"

<zoomway>

"Um," Clark 'hummed' as he scanned with a bit of low level x-ray vision. "I
know where he is," he said to the waiter.  "I'll take you to him." He
pointed
to Lois. "Stay here. I'll be right back."

"Thanks, man," the waiter sighed. "I wish this house had a locator map."

Klein placed a hand on either side of Lois' face as Clark escorted the
waiter
>from the room.  He looked into her eyes. "From what I understand, Clark's
powers manifested gradually."

Lois tried to nod. "Yes. The yellow sun..."

"Right. Triggered a sleeper gene of some type, it would appear."

"Then why am *I* being affected?  Or the baby, for that matter? Neither of
us
have exactly been exposed to the sun... no more than usual."

"Well," Klein sighed. "At a guess, I'd say that you're actually suffering
Clark's manifestations."

"Clark's?" Lois laughed. "That would mean.."

"Yes," Klein nodded. "He's telekinetically ... projecting."

Lois folded her arms. "That's ridiculous. Well, okay, Clark does have a
habit
of floating when he's nervous, but he's never ... projected that."

"He's never been an expectant father either."

"True, but--"

"Clark always tries to make you feel better, to assure you that everything
is
all right... basically feeling the need to always be there for you...
protect
you?"

Lois smiled. "Yes, that's Clark Kent, all right. I'd know that description
anywhere."

Klein laughed. "Well, I think *he's* the one who has to calm down."

"You're serious? Clark is making me ... float? Because *he's* nervous?
Well,"
Lois smiled. "Let's find him and ... bring him back to Earth."

<chrispat>

Lois and Dr. Klein started down the corridor, but they hadn't gotten ten
feet
when Lois started to rise toward the ceiling.

"Oy! Now what's bothering Clark?"

Bernie grabbed her arm and pulled her back to to the ground. "I don't know,
but it must be something serious."

As they rounded the corner, Lois winced at the sound of her mother's voice.

They found Clark running his hand through his hair and sweating slightly as
he listened to his mother-in-law. Dr. Klein tightened his grip on Lois's
arm.
Lois interrupted before Ellen could get really rolling.

"Mother!" She noticed her father trying to fade into the woodwork. "Daddy!
What are you two doing here? I thought you were on safari in Africa."

Ellen sniffed. "That is just like you, Lois. I wrote you three days ago from
Kenya to tell you we would be coming, but I'm sure you didn't think my note
was worth reading."

Lois sighed. "Mother, it takes more than three days for a letter to get here
>from Kenya. Actually the wedding is for family and close friends. Since
when
were you and Daddy close friends of Alice and Perry?"

Ellen drew herself up to her full height. "Are you implying that we weren't
invited?" She rooted around in her purse for a minute and pulled out the
invitation, waving it in front of Lois' startled face. "I'll have you know,
Alice and I serve on several committees together, and another thing, young
lady..."

Lois gritted her teeth and looked at Clark, who shrugged helplessly.  "Okay,
okay. I'm sorry." She could feel her feet starting to leave the floor. Dr.
Klein, would you mind keeping my parents company for a moment? We'll
...Clark
and I will find one of the ushers to show them where to go."

<CrystalW>

Clark looked gratefully at his wife, who was standing oddly close to Dr.
Klein, her hands firmly holding his arm.  As he stepped towards them, she
carefully transferred her grasp to him, and they walked quickly back the way
they had come.

He followed her until she stopped at the door of the small study they had
used before. She looked in to ensure that it was still deserted before she
pulled him in behind her and closed the door.

"Lois, I thought we were looking for an usher," he said in confusion.

"Clark, you have got to calm down," Lois said in a frustrated voice.

Looking into the nearly frantic eyes of his wife, he was more confused then
before.  "What are you talking about?" he asked her with frustration.

With a heavy sigh, Lois let go of her husband's arm and quickly ascended to
the ceiling.

As she floated there, suspended with her back against the plaster, she told
him firmly, "Clark, that Indian breathing... do it!"

"What?"

"You heard me... sedate yourself."

Clark shook his head, baffled by the words of his pregnant wife.  Thinking
it
best to humor her, he finally closed his eyes and took a few cleansing
breaths.

Slowly, Lois desended to the ground, and when Clark's eyes opened she was
once more facing him.

"Thanks," she said with slight sarcasm.

Shaking his head, Clark said, "I don't understand this!"

Lois once more began to rise.  "Breathe, honey."

He did so, watching her return once more to the ground.

"Dr. Klein says this is definitely emotional, but it's not my emotions.  You
are projecting.  If you don't stay calm, I won't stay on the ground."

Clark didn't understand, but the evidence was incontrovertible.  He sighed
heavily, shaking his head once more, and watched his wife bob slightly in
the
air once more.

"This could be fun," he said with a grin.

Continued in Part 4
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Congratulations to the Round Robin Crew for another job well done.

I really enjoyed this fanfic.

Take care,
Irene
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From: irene d <sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM>
>That said, I'd like to address the main criticism - that Lee is far too
>young to be a doctor.
>
>After reading all the posts about this (both to the list and to me
>privately),  I have to agree that this needs to be changed slightly.
>
>This is *exactly* the kind of feedback that I was
>looking for when I posted the story to the list.  Thank you everyone for
>providing such excellent feedback.
>

Very nicely said, Irene, and I think it's great that you're tailoring your
story to the concerns of your readers.  But I still think that Lee's
accomplishments, while unusual, are not improbable considering her heritage:
two doctors, one of them the brilliant Dr. Klein, are grandparents on one
side of the family,
and super-Clark and the amazing Lois Lane (herself the daughter of a gifted
physician) are grandparents on the other side of the family.

I think a descendant of such extraordinary folks would be capable
of accomplishing much more than merely obtaining a doctorate at that
tender age.  ;-)

Peggy,
still looking forward to that sequel.  :-)
gremlino@pathway.net
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What a cute story!!! You guys had me LOLing all over the place! <G>  I have
been up since 5:30am yesterday but your story was so good that I could turn
off my monitor!! LOL  Here are a couple of my favorite lines:

>>Ellen jumped as the piper burst into 'Mari's Wedding.' "What the heck is
that???" she whispered to Lucy, who had been unlucky enough to be seated by
her.

Lucy wiped away a tear as the happy couple passed by. "Oh, Mother! Who
cares?
That was the most romantic wedding I've ever seen."<<

That "What the heck is that???" line was so darn funny!!!  I couldn't stop
laughing!!!!!  It is Ellen.. sheesh...

>>"And how does that make you feel, Lois?"<<

I have to admit that you guys had me fooled with that line.  When I first
read that line I was like.. oh no, not that annoying phrase again!!! ;p
When
Dr Friskin actually showed up and she was the one saying it, I have to tell
you I was really surprised!

>>"Which is usually great," Lois said softly. "But right now, he's connected
to
me telepathetically. Dr. Klein says that when Clark is feeling stressed or
aroused--"

"Lois--"

"Clark, your parents know we arouse each other."

Clark blushed fiercely. "I guess they do now."

"Honey," Martha laughed. "Lois wouldn't be pregnant if she bored you."<<

What can I say, this was probably one of my favorite sections of this
fanfic!!!   It was SUPER!!!  LOL   Martha's line was sooo funny, but so
Martha and so true! <G>

>>"This could be fun," he said with a grin.<<

Hehehe.. Clark!!! <G>

I just wanted to tell all of you guys that you did a SUPER job!!! You did a
wonderful job of really connecting the dialoge to the characters!  Some
fanfic I read cannot realistically represent what Lois and Clark were to us
on tv.  In the fanfic they aren't really Lois and Clark.  You guys did
that!!! This would of made for a really funny and cute ep, if Lois and Clark
was still airing today! <G>

Thanks for a really SUPER reading...
Now it is time to go off to bed and prepare for my journalism class later on
today! <G>

Alexis ;-.)
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Is there a site out there where I can find full scripts from L&C?  I
know there are sites for other shows, but I would be interested in
finding some for our favorite show.  If anyone has an idea, I would be
grateful.
Thanks
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In a message dated 4/7/99 2:36:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
MsLoisette@AOL.COM writes:

<< I just wanted to tell all of you guys that you did a SUPER job!!! You did
a
 wonderful job of really connecting the dialoge to the characters!  Some
 fanfic I read cannot realistically represent what Lois and Clark were to us
 on tv.  In the fanfic they aren't really Lois and Clark.  You guys did
 that!!! This would of made for a really funny and cute ep, if Lois and
Clark
 was still airing today! <G> >>

I wanted to thank you, Alexis and Irene for the compliments on the story.
I'm
likely the only round robinite (robiner? ;) up at this hour.  That's the
best
possible compliment on our story -- that it reminded you of the series and
that the characters sounded right. At least for me, I always hope that
something we write will evoke a nice memory of the series.  So I thank you
again ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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Elisabeth:

>I agree with all you have to say, Sue, with one large
>exception.  Your subject was Real Writers VS Fan
>Fiction.  I believe that Fan Fiction *is* real
>writing.

Couldn't agree with you more, Elisabeth. I certainly don't feel like a
*fake* writer, I have to say, and never have done. ;)

>--- Sue Modolo  wrote:
>> I see nothing wrong with fan fiction.  I am sure
>> there are many times
>> you have watched TV shows/movies etc and thought,
>> "Well that is not the
>> way I would have written that particular scene if I
>> had the chance to
>> do."

I have to say that in all my years of writing fanfiction, it wasn't until I
hooked into FoLCdom last year, that I first came across the phenomenon of
altering timelines and events from the canon of what was on screen. Oh,
there were stories that did in other fandoms - but that was usually because
they were poorly written, rather than a deliberate choice by the writer. <g>
I never did it myself - I was always keen to make sure that any story I
wrote fitted into what appeared on TV. But that was mostly because it just
never occurred to me to do anything different.

Of course, if you have the idea for an nfic set in S1, you pretty much have
to throw those ideas out of the window. ;) And by that time I'd realized
that this was an acceptable genre in FoLCdom, so it didn't worry me any.

But, speaking for myself, I've never seen this are correcting anything on
screen. I view it as elseworlds, alternate universes, that old concept of
IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations for all you non-Trekkers
out there) - exploring all the possibilities you can imagine, all the
variations of a theme.

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@dircon.co.uk.

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"Compared to what?"
- Sydney J. Harris
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Date:         Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:59:21 -0700
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Peggy, I couldn't have said it better myself! I definitely can see Lee being
a full fledged doctor at her age, especially for all of the reasons Peggy
mentioned below. I'm usually very critical of things that seem to stretch
credibility too much (okay, I'm not even going to go there!), and I didn't
even raise an eyebrow at Lee's remarkable accomplishments.

My point, Irene, babbling though I may be, is that I wouldn't change
anything in this fanfic. It's perfect just the way it is. :-)

Vicki (who is getting REALLY sick of matzah at every meal....)
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                From:   Peggy Mueller [mailto:gremlino@PATHWAY.NET]
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                Subject:        "Firestorm" over Firestorm ;-), was
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                From: irene d <sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM>
                >That said, I'd like to address the main criticism - that
Lee is far too
                >young to be a doctor.
                >
                >After reading all the posts about this (both to the list
and to me
                >privately),  I have to agree that this needs to be changed
slightly.
                >
                >This is *exactly* the kind of feedback that I was
                >looking for when I posted the story to the list.  Thank you
everyone for
                >providing such excellent feedback.
                >

                Very nicely said, Irene, and I think it's great that you're
tailoring your
                story to the concerns of your readers.  But I still think
that Lee's
                accomplishments, while unusual, are not improbable
considering her heritage:
                two doctors, one of them the brilliant Dr. Klein, are
grandparents on one
                side of the family,
                and super-Clark and the amazing Lois Lane (herself the
daughter of a gifted
                physician) are grandparents on the other side of the family.

                I think a descendant of such extraordinary folks would be
capable
                of accomplishing much more than merely obtaining a doctorate
at that
                tender age.  ;-)

                Peggy,
                still looking forward to that sequel.  :-)
                gremlino@pathway.net
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Dear Vicki and Peggy,

Thank you for the support for my story as originally written.
However, Lee's status was a sticking point for some people which is
something I do want to avoid as a writer.  Therefore, I have slightly
rewritten the story as follows:  Lee has the knowledge and skill to
be a doctor but has not yet completed her clinical work.  In
addition, she presents a bit of a problem to Met. U. as they are not
accustomed to someone her age being quite so knowledgable about her
subject matter.

There are some things that I am willing to compromise on with this
story and some things that I am not - ie. I also received feedback
that someone was not happy with "Gramps" calling Lee "sweetie". I
felt this was important in that it helps to show the depth of the
bond between the two of them and therefore, that did not get changed
at all.

Lee's knowledge and skill is important to the story, and it was
necessary that she present herself to Lois, Clark and Dr. Klein as a
doctor, but her formal status does not need to be relevant.

Thanks again for the feedback.

Take care,
Irene

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>Subject: Re: "Firestorm" over Firestorm ;-), was Firestorm feedback
>Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:59:21 -0700
>
>Peggy, I couldn't have said it better myself! I definitely can see
Lee being
>a full fledged doctor at her age, especially for all of the reasons
Peggy
>mentioned below. I'm usually very critical of things that seem to
stretch
>credibility too much (okay, I'm not even going to go there!), and I
didn't
>even raise an eyebrow at Lee's remarkable accomplishments.
>
>My point, Irene, babbling though I may be, is that I wouldn't change
>anything in this fanfic. It's perfect just the way it is. :-)
>
>Vicki (who is getting REALLY sick of matzah at every meal....)
>Vicki.Krell@asu.edu <mailto:Vicki.Krell@asu.edu>
>
>
>                -----Original Message-----
>                From:   Peggy Mueller [mailto:gremlino@PATHWAY.NET]
>                Sent:   Tuesday, April 06, 1999 6:43 PM
>                To:     LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>                Subject:        "Firestorm" over Firestorm ;-), was
>Firestorm feedback
>
>                From: irene d <sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM>
>                >That said, I'd like to address the main criticism -
that
>Lee is far too
>                >young to be a doctor.
>                >
>                >After reading all the posts about this (both to the
list
>and to me
>                >privately),  I have to agree that this needs to be
changed
>slightly.
>                >
>                >This is *exactly* the kind of feedback that I was
>                >looking for when I posted the story to the list.
Thank you
>everyone for
>                >providing such excellent feedback.
>                >
>
>                Very nicely said, Irene, and I think it's great that
you're
>tailoring your
>                story to the concerns of your readers.  But I still
think
>that Lee's
>                accomplishments, while unusual, are not improbable
>considering her heritage:
>                two doctors, one of them the brilliant Dr. Klein, are
>grandparents on one
>                side of the family,
>                and super-Clark and the amazing Lois Lane (herself
the
>daughter of a gifted
>                physician) are grandparents on the other side of the
family.
>
>                I think a descendant of such extraordinary folks
would be
>capable
>                of accomplishing much more than merely obtaining a
doctorate
>at that
>                tender age.  ;-)
>
>                Peggy,
>                still looking forward to that sequel.  :-)
>                gremlino@pathway.net

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Kudos you guys! This fic was definately worth the read! I had to finish i=
t all
in one read, even if I DID make the internet cafe people mad because they=

wanted to close at 8 PM and I didn't leave until 8:30 PM. I could just se=
e
Lois trying so hard not to float, especially with her mother around - heh=
e! An
all 'round excellent, hilarious story. Though I have to admit, the best p=
art
of the story had to be one of Zoom's sections, in part 5, I think - I ain=
't
elaborating further 'cuz I know some FoLCs don't appreciate spoilers. ;) =
I
think I enjoyed this roundrobin more than any others, since I feel I have=

gotten to know the authors better on IRC the past few days. And I must sa=
y, I
could just see each of you "speaking", as I read your sections!

Must run, as I have three job interviews today.

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At 01:06 AM 4/7/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Is there a site out there where I can find full scripts from L&C?  I
>know there are sites for other shows, but I would be interested in
>finding some for our favorite show.  If anyone has an idea, I would be
>grateful.
>Thanks

I have 65 scripts available for what I think is a nominal fee (mostly for
p&h). Write me for details. Someone out there got a number of them from
me--and then posted them to his/her, obviating all my hard months of work
:( and *then* that so-clever person had the gal to leave on all the notes
*I* made for each script. I don't appreciate that at all, and I don't
appreicate that the page owner *and* I could get in big trouble.

So, if you want scripts for yourself, feel free to write me :)

Debby
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Alexis said:
>I just wanted to tell all of you guys that you did a SUPER job!!! You
did a
>wonderful job of really connecting the dialoge to the characters!
Some
>fanfic I read cannot realistically represent what Lois and Clark were
to us
>on tv.  In the fanfic they aren't really Lois and Clark.  You guys
did
>that!!! This would of made for a really funny and cute ep, if Lois
and Clark
>was still airing today! <G>

I hate to make the dreaded "me too" post, but in this case I think I'm
justified.  I want to thank all the RR writers for giving me so much
fun!  The plots you write are consistently interesting, and to top
that off, you respect the characters.  I never get the impression
that Clark is perfect and puts up with Lois for reasons unknown.

Again, thank you for writing such wonderful stories.  I'm always
thrilled to see one appear in my mailbox.  (I actually announced to
everyone in my house that a new round robin story came out.  They had
no idea what I was talking about, but it felt good.)  Please don't
ever stop!

Jessi
jessi914@hotmail.com

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This was a great story! The creativity is was I liked most about it. I could
have never thought about soemthing like this. Keep up the good work, you
guys!