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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:20:44 -0500
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From:         Phillip Atcliffe <Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK>
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On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:29:08 +0200 Hazel Brown <zis-s@ACTCOM.CO.IL>
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> Nice story, Phil! I was initially disappointed when I realized that
this story was going to be part of S6 -- I wanted something *new*! But
you changed it so seamlessly that I lost myself in the story and just
enjoyed it all over again. (I missed the bed, though. <g>) <

Yeah, well, the bit with the bed didn't quite fit in with my idea of an
S6 episode, so that whole sequence went -- too distracting from the
main plot, but fun in and of itself. Actually, I was happy with the way
both versions of the story turned out, and I'm half-tempted to combine
them into one big one, with bed, new stuff and all. Don't hold your
breath, but it might happen; there's at least one idea in the S6
version that I can't believe I didn't think of originally....

> Why don't we find out what Ellen and Martha did to Laura? I was
expecting her to come back with pierced ears or something... <

Geez, how am I supposed to know what grandmothers (and _those_ two, in
particular!) get up to with baby girls? Besides, I don't like pierced
ears (or pierced anything, come to that) -- the studs get caught in my
teeth! <g>

Phil
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:24:55 +0000
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From:         Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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Hey Maggie -

I agree with Sheila, that is one _excellent_ snippet of dialogue! I
*loved* the bit where Lois mumbles 'The treasurer'!

Like Sheila, I'd love to see you develop it into a full story. Come
on, you can do it!

Wendy

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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:31:18 +0000
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Hey Hazel,

Thank you so much for your posting - it's given me a lot to think
about. I knew that the pairing would be obvious to readers, but
wasn't sure whether that mattered, and I did want to show their
different attitudes to completing the questionnaire. But your
suggestion might well work, and I'll think about trying it that way
before I submit to the Archive.

This, btw, is why I posted the story to the list first - I was hoping
for some useful constructive feedback like Hazel's. Many thanks!

Wendy
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At 06:23 PM 3/14/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>
> Hey everyone!
>
> I just watched "Resurrection" from one of my videos, and I hated seeing
> Daniel Scardino, but I saw a part of the episode that inspired me to write
a
> fanfic to change it.  It was the part where Clark is about to explain to
Lois
> why he'd been ignoring her and then the doorbell rang, and Scardino is at
the
> door. Well, i wanted to write one where Scardino does NOT interrupt and
Clark
> gets to explain himslef. I'll start on it just as soon as I get you guys
> approval and as soon as someone can tell me exactly what was said before
the
> doorbell.

You don't need anyone's approval. Write on!

>
> Thanks, Supergirl
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Hi Sheila,

And thanks for your comments. I don't read my work email account
(which is where I receive this list) over the weekend, so I'm only
getting this now.

And thank you for your 'nit-pick' - it's a very valid point:

> >>He winced now as he remembered the
> final insult before he had thrown her into that dumpster: he had
> patted her backside. *Why* had he done that? It had been a
> petty-minded gesture, just as dropping her into that dumpster had
> been - and to add further insult to injury, he had deliberately
> chosen the one containing rotting vegetables. <<
>
> I was left feeling like *he* didn't know why he did it, when I'm firmly
> convinced that Clark had his reasons at the time.  I'm not saying that
they
> were valid, but your handling of it left me feeling more like you couldn't
> come up with a justification for his behavior than that *he* had decided
> that his behavior was totally unjustified.

Hmmmm... quite possibly! Well, do any TDOCKs out there have any
suggestions as to how Clark might have justified his actions to
himself *at the time*? I intend to make some revisions to this story
before it goes to the Archive, so all comments will be gratefully
received.

Thanks again!

Wendy
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:38:33 EST
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I just read a press release the start of pre-production on "The
Unconcerned.".
>From the press release: "The Unconcerned" follows Bob Lorenz (Dean Cain), a
young ambitious businessman wrongly accused of stealing a large stash of
drug
money from a ruthless criminal. And according to the press release, the
movie
has been pre-sold to HBO
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Hello,

Wow!  What a Day we had.  :)

Saturday's IRC Tutorial was a great success!!  I hope each of you who
attended
learned something about the IRC and now feel more comfortable with using it.
A
follow-up session is scheduled for next Saturday and all are welcome to
attend.  I hope you will use your new IRC skills to attend the 1999 Kerth
Awards later this month.

I also, want to thank each of the tutors who came to help.  I feel I have
some
pretty remarkable friends who graciously agreed to give their time and
talents
in helping me.  I want to give A Big Thank You to: KathyB, Erin (ELK), Anne
(AMCiotola),
Crys (Cryssie2), Zoomway, Misha, and Pam (ChiefPam).  Ladies, I couldn't
have
done it without you.  You all were wonderful.

I hope to see you all again at Saturday's follow-up.  For anyone who would
like to attend please email me and I will add you to the list.

Annie Lansbury :)
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    This is, of course, just IMHO, but I liked knowing that Lois and
Clark would be paired.  No mattter how you write it, it would be obvious
anyway, and that's a good thing.  It would be a huge disappointment if
it was done any other way.
    Still, I liked the anticipation of knowing for sure what was going
to happen and watching Lois and Clark when they had no idea.  I think
the story would lose something if it was changed.  The surprise that the
dating agency wasn't even a real dating agency after all was plenty for
me.

Jessi
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:14:29 -0800
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---"Juli E. Hale" <JuliHale@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> Warning: This post has potential spoilers in it. You might want to
read the
> Sequel to Three Grandmothers and "Can't Live..." before reading
this. :-)
>
> Hi All!
> I just finished reading a couple of the new stories on the Archive
(like I do
> every Sunday ;-)) and I was really impressed.

Don't you just love when new stories are posted the Archive? ;-) I
read them every Monday, and it just makes my week!

<<Excellent feedback various stories snipped>>

What with all the talk on feedback these days, I thought I'd better
contribute, as I always put it off and then never get around to it!

There was a great crop of new stories at the Archive this week.  I
especially enjoyed 'Maybe I Need Glasses' by Maria Mendoza, 'Cloud on
my Tongue' by Rachel TenHaaf and 'Can't Live (If Living is Without
You)' by Raconteur27.  (Actually I enjoyed them all, but these just
stuck in my head0

I found the characterisation of Lois in 'Maybe I Need Glasses' right
on!  Her thought to herself are hilarious as she tries to figure out
what made her miss the obvious.  Her oh so subtle way of letting Clark
in on the secret is also great, as is Clark's reaction.  Just a great
way to spend a Monday morning!

I enjoyed 'Cloud on My Tongue' because even though the situation could
have turned ugly and both Clark and Lois were miscommunicating
terribly (or is that communicating terribly and miscommunicating
well??) there was no wavering on Clark's part.  It was shown that he
was completely in love with Lois and Lana just didn't even register in
the equation.  Yes, he was being a little dense, but that was just so
Clark.  I also liked Lana's Dad, a very classy man.

Anyway, just wanted to share a few thoughts and to encourage others to
get thee to the Archive!

Audrey
PS has anyone else noticed how hard it is to decide how to vote for
the Kerths?  I've been putting it off because I read one story and
then see another in the same category that I also love and then
another ... ack!  Can't I vote for them all??? :)

PPS Oh, and on the same topic, I just wanted to say I am also honoured
and flattered to be included among the nominees.  It was just such a
thrill to see that my little story among such great writers.  It
really is the best just to be nominated.

Back to reading...
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:28:20 EST
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Hello all!  A while ago I was looking around in the archive and I found a
story.  I can't remember the title or the author, but the little description
was something about how a childhood version of Lois met a childhood version
of
Clark, I think in Disneyworld, and that this meeting could affect their
future.  I didn't get a chance to read the story then, and I want to now,
but
I can't find it.  If anyone has any idea of what story I'm talking about,
could you please tell me.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
        Kelsey Croft
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I believe the story that you want is "It's a Small World After All."  It is
in
the archive, and the autor's name is Cristin Whitely.  I hope this helps.
There
are also other stories in which younger L&C meet:  a museum, a high school
journalism convention, and another summer vacation story where Clark and
Lois
actually promise to marry when they grow up.
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From:         Margaret Brignell <brignell@CAPITALNET.COM>
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At 12:17 PM 3/15/1999 +0000, Wendy wrote:
>Hmmmm... quite possibly! Well, do any TDOCKs out there have any
>suggestions as to how Clark might have justified his actions to
>himself *at the time*? I intend to make some revisions to this story
>before it goes to the Archive, so all comments will be gratefully
>received.

In the script it says "Clark pats her on the rear, a replay of Johnny's
action." (he's been copying other people's actions at the Club throughout
the script up until this point, as if he'd never really experienced this
kind of environment before.)

Actually, this pretty much was my impression of Clark's actions when I
first saw IGACOY, it seemed as if he were copying some character he'd seen
on TV, or in the movies, in an effort to convince Toni he was
"experienced".  Not to mention he wanted to get Lois away from danger, and
would do pretty much anything to save her.

As for Lois' reaction?<g>  In the script it says "Lois gives him the evil
eye and has no choice but to leave."  Which pretty much sums up her
reaction throughout;)

Margaret
who still loves the 'piano bench' kiss Clark gave Toni (an imitation of the
magazine ad for "Obsession"??...I can never remember the name of the
perfume;\)--and especially Lois' reaction<G>

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Margaret Brignell
brignell@capitalnet.com
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Hi,

The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer.  She, too, is a 1999 Kerth
Award Nominee.  I hope you will go and check out her interview.

The URL is........
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html

Annie Lansbury
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At 06:38 PM 3/14/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> I new to the list. I was looking through the archive & saw that there are
> some good stories except that I have one problem. I can't download them
from
> the site. If it is not too much trouble can anyone who has written
fanfiction
> in the past please email it to me. I would really appreciate it. Email
them
> to <mailto:ghettoqueen@cwix.com>ghettoqueen@cwix.com. Again thanks alot.
>
> Wendy

/me gawks as "Ghettoqueen" opens her mail box to find +900 stories...

Debby :)
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From:         Lane MacKenzie <QueenSpaam@AOL.COM>
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At the risk of sending a "me too" e-mail...

Oh where oh where oh where oh where oh wheeeeeere... is my hairbrush?

Queen Spa'am (who loves the new Madame Blueberry)
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My goodness!  Alot of us love Veggie Tales.  Did you know about the
Veggie Tales Website?  It's <www.bigidea.com> .

Okay that's all . . .Come back next time to here Jocelyn sing, Oh, no
what we gonna do . . .I have a english midterm tommorrow!!!!

~Jocelyn
==
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Date:         Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:33:33 CST
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>At the risk of sending a "me too" e-mail...
>
>Oh where oh where oh where oh where oh wheeeeeere... is my hairbrush?
>
>Queen Spa'am (who loves the new Madame Blueberry)
>

And do I dare start in about songs about lips from a cucumber who
doesn't apear to have any?  No, I'll be good and attempt to stay on
topic.

Oh, here's something that actually *does* have to do with L&C (But not
fanfiction.  Sorry)  TNT has officially stopped showing L&C on weekdays.
And do you know what they ended on?  WIEAK!!

Now, putting aside the fact that I'm an established hater of that
episode (Jessi ducks the inevitable posts from people who love it) can't
you just imagine some poor person who's watching L&C for their first
time around.  They're watching on Friday and they see Lois and Clark
hurt and angry and still not back together.  They tune in on Monday,
hoping that everything will get better, and suddenly their TV show has
disappeared without a trace and replaced with some rip-off of Lethal
Weapon.  I feel so sorry for that poor person.  I've already e-mailed
TNT, begging to advertise the time switch for the sake of their viewers,
but with the interest they've showed in L&C lately, I doubt I'll get a
response.  Oh well.  It was worth a try.

Jessi
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From:         Cristin J Whitley <ckandll4ever@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Looking for a story

Wow! I think that was a story by *me*. Cool, no one has ever been looking
for one of my fics before. <g> It's called "It's A Small World After
All". :o)

Cristin (overly excited that someone was looking for her story <g>)
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On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:28:20 EST "Kelsey J. Croft" <Katzee112@AOL.COM>
writes:
>Hello all!  A while ago I was looking around in the archive and I
>found a
>story.  I can't remember the title or the author, but the little
>description
>was something about how a childhood version of Lois met a childhood
>version of
>Clark, I think in Disneyworld, and that this meeting could affect
>their
>future.  I didn't get a chance to read the story then, and I want to
>now, but
>I can't find it.  If anyone has any idea of what story I'm talking
>about,
>could you please tell me.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks.
>        Kelsey Croft
>
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Subject:      NEW FANFIC: Not So Cruel Intentions

Hey all. :o)
        This isn't really much of a fic, just something short I whipped
up while bored at work. It's really short and pretty silly, but I hope
you like it. :o) Any comments can be sent to me at CKandLL4ever@Juno.com.
Thanks!

Cristin Whitley :o)

PS - I work at the movie theater... that might explain the setting of
this story. <g>

Not So Cruel Intentions
By: Cristin Whitley
CKandLL4ever@Juno.com

        "Sorry, Lois. 'Shakespeare In Love' isn't showing anymore," Clark
said.

        Lois glanced at the movie listings above her. "How about that new
Michelle Pfieffer movie?"

        "Um, that's sold out," interrupted the ticket girl. 'Sorry. Have
you seen 'Eight Millimeters' yet?"

        "Augh, no! I can't stand that Nicholas Cage guy!" Clark groaned.

        "'Carrie Two'?" the girl offered.

        Lois rolled her eyes. "We saw the original, thanks." She glanced
behind her. The line was starting to get longer.

        "What's the hold up? muttered a man a few feet behind Lois and
Clark.

        Lois turned to glare at the man. "The movie I wanted to see is no
longer here, okay? Maybe I could choose faster if I could get some
*quiet*!" She smiled apologetically at the ticket girl. "Some people are
so rude."

        "Well, let's see," Clark mused. "All that's left is 'Cruel
Intentions' and a Disney movie. Which one will it be, honey?"

        Lois groaned. "Two for 'Cruel Intentions'. I can't put up with
anything Disney right now."

        Clark laughed as he handed the girl the money. "Come on, Lois.
Let's go get some popcorn."

**********

        "I'm still not sure what this movie is about," Lois said as she
and Clark entered the theater. She looked around at the people already
seated. "Clark? Do you notice something about all of these people?"

        "Hmmm, let me think. They're all eating popcorn?" he guessed.

        "No."

        "They're all sitting close to the screen?"

        "No."

        "Well," he rubbed his chin, "I don't think that *all* of them are
aliens." He smiled. "So I give up. What is wrong with them, Lois?"

        "Other than you and me, no one in  here looks like they've
graduated high school!!"

        Clark surveyed the crowd. "That couple over there looks like they
might be in college," he mused. He shut up when Lois crossed her arms and
glared at him. "Okay, okay. So maybe this is a teenager movie. I'm sure
we can find better things to do than watch. Jimmy tells me that those
movable arm rests are really nice." He smiled.

        Lois smiled back. "Why look! Here are some great seats in the
back row!" She grabbed his hand and pulled him toward the seats. "Maybe
this won't be so bad after all."

THE END

Hmmm, I like twisting movie titles. Maybe next I can do one called, "The
Opposite of Lex"... <g>

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Can someone email the URL for Annie Landsberry's site with the featured
fanfic writer?

I lost it!

thanx!

jme
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Thanx everyone for letting me "in" on the hype about Veggie Tales!
sounds cute! We'll have to see if they are at Blockbuster video to try
one out!;)

jme
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From:         Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Wendy's "Perfect Match"
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Hi Jessi,

Thanks for your comments; I've had one or two others mail me
privately with the same argument re. the pairing. This, and the
helpful suggestions in relation to Clark's motivation for the
'backside pat', are all helping enormously... although, Sheila, I'm
sorry to say that while I could just about defend everything else
Clark did in IGACOY, I cannot think of any reasonable at-the-time
justification for his deliberate selection of that particular
dumpster (apart from the scriptwriter deliberately wanting to include
a laugh).

Incidentally, the dating agency *was* real; the director just
happened to be a friend of Alice White's and agreed to do Perry a
favour  <G>

Wendy

On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:06:53 CST Jessi Mounts <jessi914@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

>     This is, of course, just IMHO, but I liked knowing that Lois and
> Clark would be paired.  No mattter how you write it, it would be obvious
> anyway, and that's a good thing.  It would be a huge disappointment if
> it was done any other way.
>     Still, I liked the anticipation of knowing for sure what was going
> to happen and watching Lois and Clark when they had no idea.  I think
> the story would lose something if it was changed.  The surprise that the
> dating agency wasn't even a real dating agency after all was plenty for
> me.
>
> Jessi
> jessi914@hotmail.com
>
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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At 10:55 AM 3/16/99 +0000, Wendy Richards wrote:
>...although, Sheila, I'm
>sorry to say that while I could just about defend everything else
>Clark did in IGACOY, I cannot think of any reasonable at-the-time
>justification for his deliberate selection of that particular
>dumpster.

I never found any justification for it personally, either, but I remember a
vociferous discussion about this ep in which someone suggested that Clark
did it in order to dirty Lois's dress--to make *sure* she wouldn't return to
the Metro Club.  He really did want her out of there because he knew Lex had
recognized her.  Lex had been having an interesting conversation with Toni,
so they might be partners in whatever misdeeds the Metro Club was a front
for.  And if Lex let on that Lois wasn't who she appeared to be, Toni might
have her taken out of the way.

I really believe Clark's motivation was concern for Lois's safety.  As far
as his condescending behavior at his apartment, I think he may have been
feeling guilty about what he had done, and he was trying to distract her and
deflect her justifiable anger.

Maybe he was trying out the way some guy on TV or a movie had handled a
similar situation, only to find that it certainly didn't work with his Lois.
Remember, he said in JSN that he didn't have any experience with
relationships, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for him to try different ways
of handling things until he found out what worked with Lois.

I know:  that's a totally inadequate justification.  But we're stuck with
some very un-Clark-like behavior in the canon, so I keep trying to find a
reason behind what was actually some poor writing choices.  I really believe
that this series is greater than the sum of its individual parts.  Despite
network interference, bad writing at times, cast arguments (some of which
impacted scenes in STP), and changing visions for the series, Lois & Clark:
The New Adventures of Superman somehow managed to triumph over all that and
become something magical.  It became real.  Sort of like Pinocchio.

That's why I don't ignore parts of the canon or rewrite them.  That's why
I'm an apologist for indefensible behavior.  Somehow, in the course of
creating a TV show that would bring in enough viewers to see ads for pizza
and cars, TPTB (in the broadest sense) created something with a life of its
own, far beyond their efforts and vision, and even its warts and blemishes
add to the reality of the whole.  And that's why we keep writing fanfic and
why we've carried on their story for a fifth and sixth season and why many
of us can't imagine a world in which Lois and Clark don't exist.

Sheila
(who still gets a lump in her throat when the stupid wooden puppet turns
into a real boy)
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How can Clark's hair be invulnerable?  Isn't hair dead?  I asked my
wife and she said "not exactly" but was not able to elaborate on it.
Any ideas?

Mr. D8A

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Mr. D8A wrote:
<How can Clark's hair be invulnerable?  Isn't hair dead?  I asked my
wife and she said "not exactly" but was not able to elaborate on it.
Any ideas?>

     Actually, since hair grows from the roots, the part that one cuts is
"dead".  The ends of the hair do not have nerve endings, that's why it
doesn't
hurt when one gets a hair cut.
     However, Clark's molecular structure is different than everyone else's,
and
therefore his hair would be slightly different as well.  In "Chip of the Old
Clark", the little boy's hair showed an example of this.  :)
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Hi all

Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on during the filming of
Stop the Presses that made it different from other episodes?  It's
been mentioned in several posts lately, but, I'll admit, even as a
huge fan of the 4th season, I never noticed anything exceptional in
the episode.

Also, is there a website or a list anywhere that mentions instances
when the cast of L&C deviated from the script or otherwise improvised?
 I know of a few examples -- the end of Ghosts and a line during the
kitchen scene of AKAS -- but I was curious if anyone knew of any
others.  I think outtakes like these give insight into how Dean, Teri,
and the other actors viewed their characters and their motivations.

Thanks!
Sheriff Rachel
(who's had steam rising from her collar and has been busting
thermometers in her sickbed all week.  Sigh...)

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Dear Christy Kubit and all the other Folcs :),
since the email address I found in your story bounced back a few times, I
decided
to send my feedback for your new Story "Martha Chronicles 1" to the list and
I
hope you are a member here. :-)

I seldom write feedback to stories, simply because most of the time I'm too
lazy
to do it, but your first story about Martha was so good, I couldn't help
myself
wanting to thank you for it.
I loved every second and spent a wonderful evening yesterday reading it. I
really
hope you'll post the second part soon! I can't wait to see Jonathan and
Martha
meet again!

One short note though: Obviously there are a few lines missing in the story.
It's
when Ruth and Martha go to their room together at Martha's first evening in
Kansas. Maybe you could check on that?

take care
Nicole
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
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Wendy, I just wanted to say I really enjoyed reading your new story, The
Perfect Match.  It was really cute.  Do you plan a sequel?

I think Perry was in perfect character, setting them up like that to get
them together.  Of course, we all knew they were the perfect match.

I would say that Clark can justify his action of patting Lois on the rear by
saying that it was in character to who he was pretending to be.  Lois called
him Kent and could have blown his cover and he wanted to stop her from
saying too much.  That's not the only time he patted her rear.  He did it
earlier behind the bar when Lois was serving drinks before she sang her
song.  I didn't think Clark needed to apologise.  Lois had already been very
sarcastic and nasty to him ever since he had met her, so I would say it was
a little pay back for Clark.

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I've been watching this show in syndication for about half a year, and I
never
saw the one that was going to be on yesterday if L.A. Heat hadn't of taken
it's place.  I know Lois and Clark kiss and make up, but I missed how!  Is
Lois and Clark even on TNT anymore, because according to my search button on
Digital Cable (you enter a show and it gives you all the times) it's not.
        Kelsey
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In a message dated 3/15/99 6:17:47 AM Central Standard Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<< Hmmmm... quite possibly! Well, do any TDOCKs out there have any
 suggestions as to how Clark might have justified his actions to
 himself *at the time*? I intend to make some revisions to this story
 before it goes to the Archive, so all comments will be gratefully >>

I think the motivation is hard to pin in one place because it's not just the
garbage scene.  If that had been the one scene, a motivation might be found,
but since the episode continued with Clark being patronizing and dismissive
of
Lois' anger, then the motive would have to cover that as well.  He was
obviously not sorry for how he treated her earlier and so whatever prompted
Clark's behavior was still in full force by the apartment scene.

There's also something Lois said to Clark when she was so angry, something
like, "Others might still buy your innocent routine, but not me, not
anymore!"
It's as if Clark lost something in Lois' eyes due to how he'd treated her.
That she may have initially thought he had good, noble or innocent
intentions
for "spying' on her at the Metro Club, no matter how much she might have
resented the "spying", but once he destroyed her cover, and did so by
betraying her to the "enemy" so to speak, his motives seemed to not only
lack
"innocence" (good intentions) but in fact seemed malicious and self-serving.

That's the part that's really the most difficult and what makes a
justification or clear motive of any reasonable kind hard to come by.  Clark
was *spiteful* in that scene. Any arguments about him wanting to get Lois to
safety because of his personal suspicions of Lex would work *if* the truly
spiteful attitude Clark displayed had been missing.  He deliberately threw
Lois in the nasty garbage and seemed childishly happy that he had that
choice.
I never bought the argument that he did so to make Lois so messy she
wouldn't
go running back into the Metro Club.  Lois, who showed up at the Daily
Planet
in front of everyone coated in filth, disheveled hair, torn clothing and a
broken heel on her shoe, would stay out of the Metro Club because she had a
stain on her dress? Please <g>  Not to mention, with her cover gone, I can't
think of a logical reason she'd return anyway.

For me, like Sheila, when it comes to fanfic I really don't want to rewrite
an
episode.  I like going with the canon established by the show even when it's
as convoluted as IGACOY. It might be more difficult to come up with
motivations rather than simply rewriting the story, but I just prefer going
with what the show established. With IGACOY, I've decided that working
"backward" is the best way to invent a motivation for what Clark did. That
is,
what was the end result of Clark's treatment of Lois?  He made her furious
with him.  Therefore, for me, *that* becomes his attitude motivation.  He
*wanted* to make her furious with him.  Now, why?

Okay, let's say Clark wanted to get Lois out of there (misguided heroics or
not) because he was afraid for her safety.  He *knows* Lois. Even if he gets
her out of there, that isn't going to short-circuit her "Mad Dog Lane" mode.
She'll try something else, maybe even something much more dangerous to get
that story. So, he has to go with "misdirection".  He has *got* to get her
focused on something else.  What's as visceral as Lois' investigative
reporter
imperative?  Her temper <g> Have Clark, in your story, consciously decide to
use her temper against her to keep her off balance and out of danger.

Have Clark holding Lois over his shoulder and thinking something like, "What
can I do to really tick her off? Nothing short of a four alarm temper
meltdown
will keep her mind off this story.  Hm, she hated the smack on the rear"
SMACK "okay, good, I can almost feel her blood boiling. What else?  Ah,
clean
garbage or messy garbage?" SPLAT. In approaching Clark's out-of-character
behavior as *deliberate* on his part, an act to make Lois mad at *him*
instead
of letting her lapse back into "mad dog Lane" reporter mode, it can work.
Have him repeat the bad attitude at his apartment, again, so that he can
deliberately stoke her temper.  I think the motivation can work on that
level.

That's about the best I can come up with in terms of a motive that better
fits
Clark's true character.  It's difficult often with St. John scripts because
she seemed to hate Lois, or at the very least wanted Lois to be punished or
humiliated for some reason, yet St. John adored Lex Luthor, and because of
that, often made him seem like the "good guy" or "hero" in her scripts, and
she seemed to lock Clark Kent into some adolescent age group.   In Fly Hard,
it was almost a bit embarrassing that Clark had plans to go to the movies
with
a teenager while Lois and Lex came in dressed to the nines for the opera
looking like grownups by comparison.  Clark was also often rendered
"valueless" in her scripts.  In Illusions of Grandeur he became the victim
of
amazing "instant hypnosis" and forced to give a screaming child back to the
kidnapper.  He was unable to do much of anything in Fly Hard due to the
circumstances, and in IGACOY, though his cover remained in tact, the only
thing of "value" Clark seemed to discover was that Toni was a good cook <g>
I'm not trying to put down St. John as a writer, but her characterization
choices often baffled me ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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>I've been watching this show in syndication for about half a year, and
I never
>saw the one that was going to be on yesterday if L.A. Heat hadn't of
taken
>it's place.  I know Lois and Clark kiss and make up, but I missed how!
Is
>Lois and Clark even on TNT anymore, because according to my search
button on
>Digital Cable (you enter a show and it gives you all the times) it's
not.
>        Kelsey
>(who has a little hope after she read Jessi's message)
>

Well, that's not I was going for!  Have hope!  L&C isn't gone, just, uh,
reduced.  It's still on every Sunday, at 9 AM Central.  Not this Sunday,
though.  They're airing something about the Oscars instead.  But if you
watch next Sunday, you'll see Swear to God, This Time We're Not Kidding
and can watch them get married.  Of course, that means it will take
forever for them to get back around to third season again, but they will
eventually, and then you can watch them make up.  And kiss.  Can't
forget the kissing.

Jessi
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     I originally sent this message yesterday, but it was returned to me.  I
don't know if I had a server problem, or what, but I thought I'd try again.
I
apologize if it did get sent through twice.
     I believe the story that you want is "It's a Small World After All."
It is
in the archive, and the autor's name is Cristin Whitely.  I hope this helps.
There
are also other stories in which younger L&C meet:  a museum, a high school
journalism convention, and another summer vacation story where Clark and
Lois
actually promise to marry when they grow up.

JOY:)
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Many thanks to the FOLC who suggested the two-sided, two columned, Ariel 7pt
font, paper saving, organized method of printing out fanfics.  I only wish I
had known about this many eons ago.....(Meet Me in St Louis, Dawning, come
to
mind!)
Not only does it save paper, but it prints the story out, all ready to read,
no shuffling from front to back required.  Many blessings upon you, your
printer, and your house <g>
Kate
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In answer to the question, is Lois and Clark still on TNT?  the answer is,
yes, on Sunday at 9:00 am.  There is a Sunday coming up, either March 21 or
28
when it is being preempted for something.  To check the schedule, go to
www.tnt.turner.com and follow the links -sci-fi to L&C.

The episode which would have followed Friday's episode is Just Say Noah, in
which Lois gets on a story about missing couples who are linked through a
marriage group thing.  Perry sends them undercover to check it out and the
rest is history.  Unfortunately, the Sunday cycle is at the beginning of the
4th season, so it's going to be a long time before they get back to the
third
season.

Maybe if enough people contact  TNT, they will put it back on regularly in a
while.  (Especially if no one watches the new show. )

Ann
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Hi,

Here is the URL.....
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html

Annie :)
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Zoomway suggested:

>Okay, let's say Clark wanted to get Lois out of there (misguided heroics or
>not) because he was afraid for her safety.  He *knows* Lois. Even if he
gets
>her out of there, that isn't going to short-circuit her "Mad Dog Lane"
mode.
>She'll try something else, maybe even something much more dangerous to get
>that story. So, he has to go with "misdirection".  He has *got* to get her
>focused on something else.  What's as visceral as Lois' investigative
reporter
>imperative?  Her temper <g> Have Clark, in your story, consciously decide
to
>use her temper against her to keep her off balance and out of danger.
>

You know, I hadn't considered that but now that you raise this possibility,
there's some support for it.  The one thing that Clark *does* say that
indicates he knows he's done something he should regret ;) is when the guy
at club back door says something like, Well, that's the last we'll hear
>from her, and Clark says,and I think, rather ruefully, Speak for yourself.
And we have a demonstration of this technique (making Lois so furious at
Clark that he can undertake an undercover operation at the Star) in The
Rival.  Not precisely the same thing, but it does show he sure does know
how to push her buttons. ;)

Other than that, I have to say that Clark in IGACOY seems pretty
unrepentant at the end of the episode. Lois has forgiven him (she did get
her story and the pleasure of saying 'I told you so' to Clark, which always
helps) and the only thing that really seems to matter to him is getting her
to admit she was jealous of Toni Taylor.  So, if you want to make him seem
less of a jerk (albeit an awfully cute one <G>) in a fanfic centered around
this story, I think you've really got your work cut out for you. :)

Georgia
gwalde14@mindspring.com
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At Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:20:00 EST Zoomway said:
>In Fly Hard,
>it was almost a bit embarrassing that Clark had plans to go to the movies
with
>a teenager while Lois and Lex came in dressed to the nines for the opera
>looking like grownups by comparison.

Okay, you know how I hate to ask dumb questions<g>  But this I didn't "get".

Why is it more "adult" to dress up in tuxedos, formal dresses, etc. and go
out with someone because they're rich and powerful and look "good", than it
is to go out with someone who you share interests with?

Margaret
TDOCK, as if you hadn't already figured this out;)

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Ottawa, Canada
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Since I'm kind of new I have one question. What are the Martha chronicles &
how can I get them? Okay those are two question but I really want to know
the answers.

Wendy
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Subject: Martha Chronicles 1

Dear Christy Kubit and all the other Folcs :),
since the email address I found in your story bounced back a few times, I
decided
to send my feedback for your new Story "Martha Chronicles 1" to the list and
I
hope you are a member here. :-)

I seldom write feedback to stories, simply because most of the time I'm too
lazy
to do it, but your first story about Martha was so good, I couldn't help
myself
wanting to thank you for it.
I loved every second and spent a wonderful evening yesterday reading it. I
really
hope you'll post the second part soon! I can't wait to see Jonathan and
Martha
meet again!

One short note though: Obviously there are a few lines missing in the story.
It's
when Ruth and Martha go to their room together at Martha's first evening in
Kansas. Maybe you could check on that?

take care
Nicole
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
NKWolke@t-online.de
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Public Service Announcement! <g>

Ok ok.. it's a whiny post because my email address changed, but we can
pretend... ;)

Much to my eternal dismay (I had actually become so comfortable with life
in general ;P) .. my ISP fell victim to a buy-out by a much larger, much
more powerful internet mafia presence, with far greater connections than
any mere mortal among us... yadda yadda yadda, needless to say... they
CHANGED MY EMAIL ADDRESS. Help Mommy! ;)

It was inevitable I suppose, I've never managed to keep an internet email
address for longer than a couple of years at a time.  Unfortunately this
time my usual name 'demona@whatever' was taken (SOB!) -- so I had to
settle.  I can now be reached at either of the following addresses:

nightangel@home.com
demi22@aol.com

('nightangel' is in place of 'demona' who was representative of Goliath's
Angel Of The Night on the late great animated series, back in the mid
nineties when the series was still 'great' <g> -- No, my name is not
"Demona" -- I know that some of you thought it was, but it's just not.. ;)

So for those who still wish to reach me, this info was for your address
books. :) I've already resubscribed to all my lists, and you'd be amazed at
how many email forwards I had going out there (I was!<g>) for the web
pages, and everything else.  Yeesh. ;)

Thanks for the chatter-bandwidth!

Take Care All,
Demi aka Demona ;)

___________________________________________
Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/

"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')
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At 6:54 PM -0800 3/16/99, GhettoQueen wrote:
>Since I'm kind of new I have one question. What are the Martha chronicles &
>how can I get them? Okay those are two question but I really want to know
>the answers.

The first part of "The Martha Chronicles" (called "The Martha Bums") was
posted to this listserv a few weeks back ... in February, maybe?  It can be
found in the archive for this listserv at:

http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html

It can also be found in the L&C Fanfic Archive under "What's New".  It was
added to the Archive this past weekend.

Kathy

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In a message dated 3/16/99 7:32:15 PM Central Standard Time,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

<< Why is it more "adult" to dress up in tuxedos, formal dresses, etc. and
go
 out with someone because they're rich and powerful and look "good", than it
 is to go out with someone who you share interests with? >>

You misunderstood, it's not just about clothing, if it were, Perry with a
cap
containing dual beer dispensers would look like an escapee from the drunk
tank
<g> Though I think the choice of clothing as well as what Lois and Lex and
Jack and Clark would be doing "date-wise" were deliberate choices by the
writer. This leads to something anecdotal.  When I was 15, I had a crush on
a
boy who was a year older, and I didn't expect him to notice me, but
nevertheless, I had a crush on him. One evening some friends and I were out
in
the front yard acting like idiots <g> We were covered in mud and spraying
each
other with a hose, and then, there was "the guy"!!  He was dressed nice, had
a
girl with him also dressed very nice, and they were going to a dance.  I
suddenly felt like I was five years old by comparison.  I was embarrassed
that
the only time I got to see him away from school, I looked like I'd been
having
mud fights with the neighbor kids (basically I had;)

In the same vein, that's how I saw Clark.  It wasn't about Lex being rich,
powerful or in a tuxedo. It wasn't about them going to the opera, quite the
contrary, *they* could have been the couple going to the movies.  It was
about
how the situation presented itself, and again, it seemed a deliberate
choice.
My post was definitely not an attack on Clark, so no overt TDOCK action is
needed <g> I felt sorry for Clark. Lex was depicted as the hero and Clark
got
the brunt of Luthor's lines "we can't all be heroes" and "we know what Mr.
Kent is made of."  Sheesh, if Clark hadn't done a "super" escape from his
handcuffs and saved Jack, Jack would have kept his low opinion of Clark's
actions throughout the episode.

That brings me to the Clark and Jack buddy show! ;)  When it was hinted that
Jack might have figured out the secret, I can't tell you how glad I was Jack
never returned in second (or any other) season <g> The whole thing started
to
stink of Batman and Robin, and it was pretty insulting that he figured out
something in two episodes that Lois wouldn't figure out for another 22 <g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 04:20 PM 3/16/99 EST, The Zoomway wrote:
>Have Clark, in your story, consciously decide to
>use her temper against her to keep her off balance and out of danger.
>
>Have Clark holding Lois over his shoulder and thinking something like,
"What
>can I do to really tick her off? Nothing short of a four alarm temper
meltdown
>will keep her mind off this story.  Hm, she hated the smack on the rear"
>SMACK "okay, good, I can almost feel her blood boiling. What else?  Ah,
clean
>garbage or messy garbage?" SPLAT. In approaching Clark's out-of-character
>behavior as *deliberate* on his part, an act to make Lois mad at *him*
instead
>of letting her lapse back into "mad dog Lane" reporter mode, it can work.
>Have him repeat the bad attitude at his apartment, again, so that he can
>deliberately stoke her temper.  I think the motivation can work on that
level.

Wendy, I think this might work.  Clark could make a rueful reference to his
decision to use her temper to distract her from her Mad Dog Lane approach to
this story and his initial surprise that she didn't get over being mad when
the story was done.  That could lead into his realization of exactly what
his actions looked like from her perspective--and that he went way overboard
in trying to protect her, especially when he didn't really have a right to
do so.  (Not bad; it foreshadows the conflict discussed in the last scene of
WIEAK.)  Anyway, it might be work thinking about.

>>So, if you want to make him seem
less of a jerk (albeit an awfully cute one <G>) in a fanfic centered around
this story, I think you've really got your work cut out for you.<<

Thank God you don't have to do that!  All I asked for was a reasonable
motivation for Clark's behavior, and Zoom came up with one.  Clark can still
look like a jerk (which even I, TDOCK that I am, have to admit) over his
behavior.  In fact, your point is that he finally recognizes that he was
one, which is good.  Another of those times when Lois can think that he's
"so *dumb*!"

>I'm not trying to put down St. John as a writer, but her characterization
>choices often baffled me ;)

That's okay, Zoom; I'll put her down for you.  She may be a pro while I'm a
rank amateur, but I thought she did some awful things as far as L&C
characterizations went.  Luthor is an obscenity in the pages of humanity,
and I *hated* the way she always made him look more supportive of Lois than
Clark was.  In her eps, Clark didn't even act like Lois's friend, much less
the man she considered her best friend.

I just needed to get that off my chest.  I'm writing about Lex right now,
and it gets to me sometimes :P

Sheila
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At 08:44 AM 3/16/99 -0800, Rachel Ernst wrote:
>Can someone enlighten me as to what was going on during the filming of
>Stop the Presses that made it different from other episodes?

Rachel, what I was referring to was that Dean refused to do the "Superman in
the missile silo" scene as written, that is, with Lois rescuing him by
crashing her jeep into the silo to let sunlight in.  The change, where he
saved himself, made for a dragging scene in which Lois's arrival was a total
anti-climax.  Worse, however, is that Teri was angry about it, and she took
her feelings out on the final scene.  There, instead of getting a loving,
romantic ending (like we fans had been agitating for), we got a scene that
felt cold and abrupt, with none of that incredible chemistry that normally
showed on the screen between Teri and Dean.

If you want more details, you'll have to ask Zoom, who, I believe, got her
information from one of the writers.

Sheila
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I had ah kinda of a thought.  I am feeling like a first grader here. Even
with the great instructions, I'm lost.
I am soooooooooo new at this that it is frightening. Thanks for trying to
help but ..............

        Brenda
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I hope you all enjoy this.  It's definitely a change of pace from my usual
badfic ;)

I Believe In This Love
by EmmyRose

You might call it a love that transcends all of time
That can never fade like the day into night.
Some stories are told of a faraway place
Where a maiden is rescued by a great shining knight.
The bond that they share is stronger than steel,
Not built on illusion but something quite real.

I believe in this love.

They started as partners, much like others do
And grew to be friends of the forever kind.
Working as a team, in the midst of much trouble
It was not hard to see there was romance to find.
The secret he kept could have torn them apart
But, instead, it brought love very close to his heart.

I believe in this love.

It hasn't been easy for this dynamic couple.
They've battled the most evil forces that exist.
But who can explain the magic that happens
When soulmates connect with a passionate kiss?
Through travelling time, they found love was true
And pledged their devotion with a blissful "I do."

I believe in this love.

Villains and clones and scientists gone mad
Have given them cause for worry and doubt
But try as they may to break them apart,
They can never succeed--it's what love's all about.
It carries you through when the moment's most dark.
That's part of the magic of Lois and Clark.
**********

Feedback most welcome!

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~~Emmy~~

I'm just writing to tell you that I think your poem was great !!
I loved the repeated "I belive in this love" used throughout the poem to
tie the verses together.

And it rhymed ! Wow !! I can never get my poems to rhyme. Or I think of
really lame rhymes.. like "I talk in rhyme, all the time". Things like
that =) But the rhyming in the poem really fit in, giving it a great,
easy rhythm and didn't sound forced or like you were trying too hard to
find words.

OK, That was my 2 cents worth.
Also; is anybody here from Queensland, Australia ? If so please, please
please e-mail me ASAP, I need to ask a REALLY important (L&C related
question about this rumour going around about it being on in Sunday.
It's been confirmed that Lois and Clark WILL be aired on Sunday, Noon on
Channel 9 in NSW this weekend (yay), but I REALLY need to know about QLD
but can't a TV Guide that will take me up to Sunday ! (I have a bad
feeling they'll be showing cricket)

--Tanya

>
>I hope you all enjoy this.  It's definitely a change of pace from my
usual
>badfic ;)
>
>
>
>I Believe In This Love
>by EmmyRose
>
>You might call it a love that transcends all of time
>That can never fade like the day into night.
>Some stories are told of a faraway place
>Where a maiden is rescued by a great shining knight.
>The bond that they share is stronger than steel,
>Not built on illusion but something quite real.
>
>I believe in this love.
>
>They started as partners, much like others do
>And grew to be friends of the forever kind.
>Working as a team, in the midst of much trouble
>It was not hard to see there was romance to find.
>The secret he kept could have torn them apart
>But, instead, it brought love very close to his heart.
>
>I believe in this love.
>
>It hasn't been easy for this dynamic couple.
>They've battled the most evil forces that exist.
>But who can explain the magic that happens
>When soulmates connect with a passionate kiss?
>Through travelling time, they found love was true
>And pledged their devotion with a blissful "I do."
>
>I believe in this love.
>
>Villains and clones and scientists gone mad
>Have given them cause for worry and doubt
>But try as they may to break them apart,
>They can never succeed--it's what love's all about.
>It carries you through when the moment's most dark.
>That's part of the magic of Lois and Clark.
>**********
>
>Feedback most welcome!
>
>EmmyRose
>emmyrose@sprint.ca
>

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At 11:22 PM 3/16/99 -0500, Sheila wrote:
>At 08:44 AM 3/16/99 -0800, Rachel Ernst wrote:
>Rachel, what I was referring to was that Dean refused to do the "Superman
in
>the missile silo" scene as written, that is, with Lois rescuing him by
>crashing her jeep into the silo to let sunlight in.  The change, where he
>saved himself, made for a dragging scene in which Lois's arrival was a
total
>anti-climax.  Worse, however, is that Teri was angry about it, and she took
>her feelings out on the final scene.  There, instead of getting a loving,
>romantic ending (like we fans had been agitating for), we got a scene that
>felt cold and abrupt, with none of that incredible chemistry that normally
>showed on the screen between Teri and Dean.

I don't question this evaluation of what finally ended up on the screen, or
the reasons for it, but I think some of the blame has to be put on the
writer.  Dean had a point: the scene as set up, made Superman look
ineffectual to the point of idiocy if he didn't rescue himself (Zoom wrote
about this in describing how the Press brothers just stood there and did
nothing, so Superman should have had plenty of time to do it) so having
Lois save him by happenstance might have gone a bit overboard.

In my opinion, both characters (and actors <G>) would have been better
served by having the rescue come from a combination of actions, not just
Lois fortuitously providing the life-saving sunlight.  Maybe the problem
arose too late to be re-engineered, but it's a shame that it couldn't have
been fixed, since the idea that Lois was willling to drop everything to go
to Clark's side when she realized he was in trouble was also what the scene
was about to me, as well as that it often took both of them together to
achieve a goal.  The flat ending of STP is one of the few things in the
series' whole four years that inspired me to post even a slightly negative
reaction ;) so you can imagine how much it got to me, the lowest of the
low-maintenance FOLCs. ;)

Georgia
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At 07:23 AM 3/17/99 -0500, Georgia E. Walden wrote:
>I think some of the blame has to be put on the
>writer.  Dean had a point: the scene as set up, made Superman look
>ineffectual to the point of idiocy if he didn't rescue himself.
><snip>
>The flat ending of STP is one of the few things in the
>series' whole four years that inspired me to post even a slightly negative
>reaction ;) so you can imagine how much it got to me, the lowest of the
>low-maintenance FOLCs. ;)

Don't get me started, Georgia.  :)  I remember how disappointed I was as a
fan when I saw that last scene--and how it terrfied me as a
wanna-be-screenwriter.  The thought that the director or actors could
sabotage a romantic scene so effectively was a real revelation.

I was upset about the entire episode, though.  I hated the way that Lois
just dismissed Clark's feeling about the story and *forbade* him to work on
it instead of telling him he could do it after his other assignments were
done.  Then when Jimmy brought in the proof that Clark had been looking for,
she *confiscated* it, like--like a Gestapo officer or something.  Then she
read his research, solved the whole thing, rushed off to save her little
Clarkie in the nick of time--as the script was written.  Can you tell that
the concept infuriated me? :)  The only reason Clark needed saving was
because *she* had sabotaged his efforts to solve the problem himself--which
I just now realized sounds a lot like IGACOY, only from the other direction.
Then, to add insult to injury, she never did admit that she had been wrong
about the story or apologize for confiscating the research he had asked for.
(God, that really *is* like a 4th season version of IGACOY!  Of all the
episodes, STP came closest to making me hate Lois.)  Follow that with a
completely flat ending, and you had a very unhappy FoLC.

The idea of showing Lois and Clark's first major fight after their wedding
was a good idea, but I've read tons better in fanfic--stuff that showed the
*personal* conflicts that might arise between them rather than the
professional ones.  I dunno; maybe the writers thought L&C's pairing was too
perfect--that they'd never have anything to argue about.  Of course, who am
I to say anything?  I have the dickens of a time myself trying to make L&C
fight about anything. :)

Sheila
(who seems to have emerged from lurkdom with a vengeance.  Oh, I see what it
is.  I'm having trouble with a scene, so I'm stalling...)
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In a message dated 3/17/99 2:23:03 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US
writes:

<< The only reason Clark needed saving was
 because *she* had sabotaged his efforts to solve the problem himself--which
 I just now realized sounds a lot like IGACOY, >>

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was disappointed in this episode.  And I
think part of theat was because, as you point out here, the episode ignored
all the growth that both Lois and Clark had gone through in the first three
seasons and made them act like they did in season 1.

I don't know if I mentioned this but some time ago one of the guys on the
Superman newsgroup wrote about the drop in ratings in the fourth season,  He
pointed out it didn't take place immediately after the wedding. He didn't
like
this episode either and attributed a lot of the drop to this episode.

Charlotte - I can't believe I'm not alone -usually my opinions are so far
out
they might have come from a Kryptonian.
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<< I seldom write feedback to stories, simply because most of the time I'm
too
lazy
to do it, but your first story about Martha was so good, I couldn't help
myself
wanting to thank you for it.
I loved every second and spent a wonderful evening yesterday reading it. I
really
hope you'll post the second part soon! I can't wait to see Jonathan and
Martha
meet again! >>

Wow! Thank you. Unfortunately, the second part of the story is pretty far
from
being finished. I've gotten to a point where I don't know what I want to do
with it; I've been so stumped, in fact, that I've taken out another half-
finished fic to work on instead. I'd like to finish it but things just
aren't
working right now.

<< One short note though: Obviously there are a few lines missing in the
story. It's
when Ruth and Martha go to their room together at Martha's first evening in
Kansas. Maybe you could check on that? >>

I see what you mean. Thanks for letting me know. I'm not sure what happened
there since all appears normal on the copy of the story I thought I
submited,
but I'll have to send those missing lines to Kathy or someone. Thanks again
for the feedback-- feedback to the list, too, even if by default <g> This is
maybe the first or second time I've gotten feedback through the list :)

-Christy
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Hi Melody,

And thanks for your email! It's lovely to get feedback, especially
when it's as nice as yours.

And thanks for your comments about Clark's actions in IGACOY as well;
a few people have now suggested that 'getting his own back' angle,
and it worked for me. So well that I finished the rewrite yesterday,
using that as my justification. I saw what Zoomway had to say today,
and although I find it interesting, it didn't quite work for me. Ah
well!!

Thanks again, and best wishes,

Wendy
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Watched Virtually Destroyed last night and I must admit that Dean did a
great job writing the ep.  I wondered if he was really sore after doing
all the action scenes - more than usual I am sure.
Any ideas?
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I've been spending a lot of today (while I was supposed to be
delivering lectures, marking essays, giving presentations on the
degree course etc etc...) thinking about Zoomway's suggestions as
augmented by Georgia and Sheila.

First, I'd like to thank everyone who has responded to my call for
help - for me, this list has really come into its own over the last
few days. It's great to see authors and readers helping each other,
and I hope I'll be able to return some of the help I've been given,
one of these days. Besides the discussion on the list, I've had a
number of people mail me privately; I hope I've managed to thank
everyone who did, but if not, please let me assure you that I am
grateful!

I liked Zoom's suggestion that Clark's actions were motivated by a
desire to channel Lois's anger in a particular direction, in order to
prevent her getting into trouble. It's very interesting... but I'm
not sure that it worked for me. I could see it working with late
first-season or second-season Clark, because by then he had matured,
grown in confidence and also learned in much more depth how to
understand Lois. At this stage in first season, I see him as unsure,
making mistakes, giving in to impulses (though not to the same degree
as Lois) which might perhaps be ill-advised.

Therefore, I'm more inclined to agree with those people who suggest
that the pat on the backside was due to an impulsive desire to 'get
his own back' for some of Lois's snide remarks to him - perhaps even
for her sarcastic criticism of him for failing to pretend that they
'were sharing some fleeting moment of passion' - and the implication
that he had been too stupid to think of it. I think the smirk could
be explained by this as well. He thought he'd take the opportunity to
take her down a peg or two, much as he did with the Godzilla toy in
NB.

Well, at any rate, that's what I decided to go with. Disagree if you
wish... that's what debate is all about!

Best wishes,

Wendy

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Hi guys,

For a fanfic I'm working on that has a pregnancy in it, I'm looking for
suggestions for weird and wonderful food cravings.  I'd rather not use
the standard dill pickle and ice cream craving - although when I was
pregnant, I loved dill pickles with orange juice!  I'm hoping for some
ideas that are easily accessible in local restaurants or fast food
places but combinations of foods that would not normally be found
together.

I'm looking for weird as opposed to gross and definitely not
humiliating.  This is Lois we're talking about so no frog's legs.  I
don't think we need any reminders of frog-eating clones!! LOL!

Any and all suggestions are gratefully accepted.

Thanks, Irene
P.S.  Also, if anyone could tell me what a maj pit is (Jimmy and Angela
went through it twice at the Pearl Jam concert in The Phoenix),  I would
appreciate that too.

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>Rachel, what I was referring to was that Dean refused to do the
"Superman in
>the missile silo" scene as written, that is, with Lois rescuing him by
>crashing her jeep into the silo to let sunlight in.  The change, where
he
>saved himself, made for a dragging scene in which Lois's arrival was a
total
>anti-climax.  Worse, however, is that Teri was angry about it, and she
took
>her feelings out on the final scene.  There, instead of getting a
loving,
>romantic ending (like we fans had been agitating for), we got a scene
that
>felt cold and abrupt, with none of that incredible chemistry that
normally
>showed on the screen between Teri and Dean.
>
>If you want more details, you'll have to ask Zoom, who, I believe, got
her
>information from one of the writers.
>
>Sheila

Well, that certainly clears it up for me. I always wondered why that
ending scene was so, well, lacking <duck>. They usually have such
wonderful chemistry and everything, but it was like they never really
resolved anything. I also thought that Lois' "rescue" was anticlimatic.
Thanks for the info. It makes sooo much more sense now.

Rachel
(one of many, obviously)
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Hi Irene -

How about peanut butter and salad?  (there's a sandwich shop near me
which actually sells that combination!!)

Or pasta with chocolate sauce - thus playing to both our favourite
characters' food preferences? <g>

Good luck!

Wendy

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Irene:
Since this is LOIS, how about chocolate AND chinese food?  I've never been
pregnant, but that seems like a strange combination to me.  Lo Mein with hot
fudge sauce, or Kung Pao Chicken with a side of double fundge crunch bars,
hmmm.

The "mosh pit" is a pit filled with concert goers.  The moshers pass people
along over the heads of the other moshers.  Going through three times would
mean
that Jimmy got passed along three times.
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>From MR. D8A's work email

But if you take out all the interference (Luther, Patrick(well, I =
intend to
drop that particular episode out of the canon in my universe), Deter, &
Mason) than you do not get a good rounding and maturation of character.

"Smooth seas do not a good sailor make." Wal-Mart poster circa 1992.

MR. D8A=A0 A.K.A.=A0 James=20
Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on =
your
own understanding.=A0 In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will =
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path. NIV

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<http://www.geocities.com/area51/starship/7859> =20

-----Original Message-----
From: GhettoQueen [mailto:ghettoqueen@CWIX.COM]
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:25 PM
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Well I can't tell what was said right before the doorbell but I can =
tell you
that I ove the idea of Daniel npt interrupting. I didn't like daniel so
anything that takes him (Luther, Patrick, the doctor that "helped" Lois
throught her amnesis(Can't remeber his name right now) & Mason) out of =
the
picture I'm happy with.
=A0
Wendy

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Hey everyone!
=A0
I just watched "Resurrection" from one of my videos, and I hated seeing
Daniel Scardino, but I saw a part of the episode that inspired me to =
write a
fanfic to change it.=A0 It was the part where Clark is about to explain =
to
Lois why he'd been ignoring her and then the doorbell rang, and =
Scardino is
at the door. Well, i wanted to write one where Scardino does NOT =
interrupt
and Clark gets to explain himslef. I'll start on it just as soon as I =
get
you guys approval and as soon as someone can tell me exactly what was =
said
before the doorbell.=20
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At 8:19 AM -0800 3/17/99, irene d wrote:

>P.S.  Also, if anyone could tell me what a maj pit is (Jimmy and Angela
>went through it twice at the Pearl Jam concert in The Phoenix),  I would
>appreciate that too.

I'm sure a younger fan could provide more specific detail than
30-year-old-me <g> but as I understand it, a *mosh* pit (not maj) is a
throng of kids dancing near the stage.  No seating, just tons of people
milling around, packed in like sardines and dancing like crazy.  They can
get somewhat dangerous since people are really packed in. One popular
activity is to pick someone up and pass them around on the top of the "pit"
-- the person is lying down and everyone in the pit keeps them aloft by
lifting their hands above their heads and holding/pushing the person
around. "Stage diving" I believe is where someone jumps from the stage into
the pit and the people below catch them and pass them around.

If I am wrong, I hope a more with it FoLC ;) can explain further.

Kathy :)

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Yep, Kathy.  You are correct.
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In a message dated 3/17/99 10:22:33 AM Central Standard Time,
ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

<<
 Therefore, I'm more inclined to agree with those people who suggest
 that the pat on the backside was due to an impulsive desire to 'get
 his own back' for some of Lois's snide remarks to him - perhaps even
 for her sarcastic criticism of him for failing to pretend that they
 'were sharing some fleeting moment of passion' - and the implication
 that he had been too stupid to think of it. I think the smirk could
 be explained by this as well. He thought he'd take the opportunity to
 take her down a peg or two, much as he did with the Godzilla toy in
 NB. >>

Oh I HATE this justification used in IGACOY!  In Neverending Battle YES it
was
justified even *Lois* felt she had it coming. In NB Lois had stolen Clark's
story, Jimmy's idea and another staffer's source.  She was completely out of
control.  Not to mention that Clark even started to warn Lois at one point
about the comeuppance he planned against her, just because he really isn't
"vindictive".  In IGACOY, on the other hand, Lois did NOTHING to justify his
"take her down a peg"  behavior.  It was *her* story *not* his.  Why did he
feel she needed to be taken down a peg?  Shouldn't *he* have been the one
"taken down a peg" for stealing *her* story? (to her point of view since his
cover remained conveniently in tact when he sold her out)  His smug
attitude?
Let me tell ya, when Lois patted Clark's cheek in NB and said "Consider this
a
life lesson" it was *very* smug and patronizing.  Clark was angry and *she*
dismissed it.  Why is Clark's exact same attitude and treatment of Lois in
IGACOY being given not only a pass, but seen as *justified* in some way?

It may just be that the first season flaw of often depicting Lois as
adversarial, waspish and nasty, created a character that was so
unsympathetic
that even when she *didn't* deserve bad treatment she was seen as deserving
it
anyway. There was one fan who hated Lois so much first season she said she
*enjoyed* seeing Lois "throttled" by the bad guy in Fly Hard.  In the end,
perhaps the original fanfic becomes the most honest.  That is, Clark having
no
idea why he treated Lois that way, because in the end, there was no honest
justification for it at all in that episode.

Zoomway@aol.com (the rarely seen subtitle to IGACOY "How much Lois
humiliation
can be crammed in one episode and be totally justified" ;)
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On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:15:38 EST The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM> wrote:

>[snip]Why is Clark's exact same attitude and treatment of Lois in
> IGACOY being given not only a pass, but seen as *justified* in some way?
>
I wasn't trying to justify it in any sort of objective sense, just to
figure out how Clark might have felt at the time that there was some
good reason for his behaviour. But let me assure you, even in the
redraft of the story he does regret it - and boy does he crawl! I
rewrote the conversation in the restaurant too.

>  In the end,
> perhaps the original fanfic becomes the most honest.  That is, Clark
having no
> idea why he treated Lois that way, because in the end, there was no honest
> justification for it at all in that episode.
>
Well... I suppose however much we might criticise Clark - and I do
*not* think he is a saint - I don't think he would do something nasty
purely because he was feeling cranky. Oh well, I'll just have to
resign myself to Zoomway not liking the revised version! (can't win
'em all - <g>)

> Zoomway@aol.com (the rarely seen subtitle to IGACOY "How much Lois
humiliation
> can be crammed in one episode and be totally justified" ;)

Love it!!

Wendy
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In a message dated 3/17/99 9:11:42 AM Central Standard Time,
Cdfisler@AOL.COM
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<< I don't know if I mentioned this but some time ago one of the guys on the
 Superman newsgroup wrote about the drop in ratings in the fourth season,
He
 pointed out it didn't take place immediately after the wedding. He didn't
like
 this episode either and attributed a lot of the drop to this episode. >>

A point on the ratings.  The guy you mentioned is barking up the wrong tree.
I
think it's always fair to hate any given episode, but to try and pin a
ratings
decline on it never works.  Ratings almost never reflect the love or hate of
*one* episode. However a "trend" or "direction" can often be reflected in
the
ratings. That is, when Lois & Clark (due to ABC's mandate) switched to more
"action-centric" episodes at the beginning of 2nd season, the ratings began
a
steady, chartable decline.  From Madame Ex to The Eyes Have It, Lois & Clark
fell 20 rank points.  Then, when the direction was shifted to Lois and
Clark's
romance with The Phoenix, the rise in ratings was also as easily charted.

What was the highest rated episode of first season?  Green Green Glow of
Home?
Pheromone, My Lovely? Honeymoon in Metropolis?  No, The Rival <g>  Was it
the
best of first season?  Not by most fan polls, no ;)  It rated at 21 because
CBS was experiencing its *worst* Winter Olympic ratings and so channel
surfers
found L&C.  Did The Rival persuade them to come back the following week when
CBS programming went back to normal? Nope.

What was the *lowest* rated episode of 3rd season?  Forget Me Not?  Contact?
Oedipus Wrecks?  Nope, it was one of the most popular, Tempus Anyone. The
episode that introduced the "alternate" Clark Kent.  Why did it get the
lowest
rating?  Because it was on opposite the highest rated broadcast of The
Golden
Globes in the history of that awards show.  When someone speaks of ratings
(like the guy you mentioned on usenet) but doesn't take into consideration
the
competition, HUT (households using television), rank, share, and aggressive
promotion or lack thereof from the network,  then that person has come to a
valueless conclusion.

Even from season to season it's unfair and almost impossible to compare Lois
and Clark's ratings with each other.  Within a season, sure, because the
competition throughout that year rarely changes, but from season to season
the
competition Lois and Clark faced from the other networks shifted.  First
season, Lois and Clark was fortunate in that it was up against another
"unknown" and untested show on NBC, the Spielberg produced seaQuest DSV.
FOX
was *not* a big network contender in those days. Their top rated show back
then was The Simpsons and farther down the list was Married with Children,
and
that was about it <g>  CBS had Murder She Wrote, the ratings champ in the
time
slot for 11 years.  However, it got low 18-49 demographics because it skewed
to a much older audience.

Best of all for Lois and Clark back in those days, ABC, *not* owned by
Disney,
was very aggressive in its promotions. Instead of *pulling* Lois and Clark
during February sweeps 2nd season when its ratings kept falling, ABC blitzed
the airwaves with advertising for it instead.  If ABC had its quick trigger
finger and lack of faith back then, well, we'd see The Phoenix, Lucky Leon,
Whine Whine Whine,  And the Answer Is probably "burned off" on the graveyard
of Saturday night with no one watching and the show would have ended there.
Oh well, Eisner said that he wanted to have the Wonderful World of Disney
back
on Sunday nights, then he bought ABC, and since Lois and Clark stood in his
way, he just got rid of it.  What a Mickey Mouse trick ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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Irene

The oddest cravings I had when I was going through one of my pregnancies was
bacon and banana sandwiches - I don't think I can even thing of them now
without feeling slightly sick but there you go, pregnant ladies have to be
indulged.

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Eileen B
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>Hi guys,
>
>For a fanfic I'm working on that has a pregnancy in it, I'm looking for
>suggestions for weird and wonderful food cravings.
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I didn't crave anything weird together, I just craved something I dont
normally like, which is milk. I couldn't get enough of the stuff, I
dreamed about it day and night! I went through gallons and gallons!
Maybe I needed the calcium? So a suggestion I have would be possibly to
have her  crave something odd that she doesn't usually like maybe
becuase of a certain vitamin, mineral, hormone, chemical or whatever
else may be in her body that having this kryptonian growing in her is
depleating her of. Seems I remember being asked on my forms I filled out
to start with my OB doc, asked if I craved anything like paper or non
food substances?! Guess that can happen too if your body is really
depleat of something!

jme
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How about pimento cheese on ice cream?  My best friend craved this with both
children.
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At 09:22 AM 3/17/1999 -0500, Sheila wrote:
>(who seems to have emerged from lurkdom with a vengeance.  Oh, I see what
it
>is.  I'm having trouble with a scene, so I'm stalling...)

<G>  Thanks for pointing this out, now maybe I'll actually buckle down and
work on the story?  Nah, who am I kidding?<g>  I'm much more into
avoidance;)

Margaret

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At 10:42 PM 3/16/1999 EST, Zoomway wrote:
><g> Though I think the choice of clothing as well as what Lois and Lex and
>Jack and Clark would be doing "date-wise" were deliberate choices by the
>writer.

I'm sure she did do it deliberately, but I saw it from a different POV.
(Like this is news, eh?<g>)

In this ep I saw Clark being portrayed as a Big Brother figure to
whats-his-name...oh, yeah, Jack.  I figured Clark isn't likely to be going
out on a date with anyone else but Lois, but since Lois is otherwise
occupied(;p), it appeared to me that he was getting on with other aspects
of his life.

Meanwhile, I thought that Lois was being portrayed as a shallow person who
only admired people by how they looked, what clothes they wore, or how they
were seen by others.  (Cat seemed to get the fuzzy end of the lollypop in
this ep too;\)

>It was about
>how the situation presented itself, and again, it seemed a deliberate
choice.
>My post was definitely not an attack on Clark, so no overt TDOCK action is
>needed <g>

Sorry, I guess I misinterpreted, since I saw this ep as a slam at Lois'
blindness more than at Clark's choice of what to do on a Saturday evening.
(His seemed the more mature choice).

> I felt sorry for Clark. Lex was depicted as the hero and Clark got
>the brunt of Luthor's lines "we can't all be heroes" and "we know what Mr.
>Kent is made of."

These lines alone probably contributed the most to my hatred of Lex (that
plus the time when Lex "saved" Lois in RFASH;p)  [I've hated Lex a long,
long time<g>]

>That brings me to the Clark and Jack buddy show! ;)  When it was hinted
that
>Jack might have figured out the secret, I can't tell you how glad I was
Jack
>never returned in second (or any other) season <g>

No kidding!

On the whole, this was *not* one of my favourite eps;\

> The whole thing started to
>stink of Batman and Robin, and it was pretty insulting that he figured out
>something in two episodes that Lois wouldn't figure out for another 22 <g>

Do the phrases "How *dumb* was she?" or "Galactically stupid!" ring any
bells<g>

Margaret

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In a message dated 3/17/99 4:59:48 PM Central Standard Time,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

<< In this ep I saw Clark being portrayed as a Big Brother figure to
 whats-his-name...oh, yeah, Jack.  I figured Clark isn't likely to be going
 out on a date with anyone else but Lois, but since Lois is otherwise
 occupied(;p), it appeared to me that he was getting on with other aspects
 of his life. >>

Well, Clark was getting on with other aspects of ABC and December 3rd
wanting
to attract the "little girl" demographics that L&C rival seaQuest was
receiving due to teen heartthrob Jon Brandis.  Michael Landes was not
appealing to the preteen set and so Chris Demetral (Jack) was added hastily
to
the cast. He flopped with test audiences, and so did not return with the
cast
2nd season (yea! ;)

>>>Meanwhile, I thought that Lois was being portrayed as a shallow person
who
only admired people by how they looked, what clothes they wore, or how they
were seen by others. <<<

Yes, a hallmark of St. John scripts. Thania single-handedly had the power to
undo great characterization established by say Bryce Zabel who could write
Lois tough, but also vulnerable.  I'm thankful that his vision of Lois and
of
Clark is the one that ultimately prevailed.

>>>(Cat seemed to get the fuzzy end of the lollypop in
this ep too;\)<<<

By this point in the series, Tracey Scoggins was already auditioning for
other
shows. I can't prove it, but I'd bet Tracey wasn't even filming her part in
Fly Hard with the other cast members.  She seemed to be always in a scene
that
didn't require anyone else to be in the same scene with her.  Just a strange
impression I got.

>>>Do the phrases "How *dumb* was she?" or "Galactically stupid!" ring any
bells<g><<<

Yes, every time I see a St. John script <g> Seriously, writing a *lead*
character in a *romance* no less, as such an unsympathetic character was a
serious mistake on St. John's part. Not to mention that "make the bad guy
better than the good guy" approach to writing the villain, and it's really
bizarre <g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 07:38 AM 3/15/99 EST, you wrote:
>I just read a press release the start of pre-production on "The
Unconcerned.".
>>>From the press release: "The Unconcerned" follows Bob Lorenz (Dean Cain),
a
>young ambitious businessman wrongly accused of stealing a large stash of
drug
>money from a ruthless criminal. And according to the press release, the
movie
>has been pre-sold to HBO
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>

Ok..I was kind of looking for LOCATIONS on where Dean Cain is staying in
Montreal.....

Anyone???
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>By this point in the series, Tracey Scoggins was already auditioning
for other
>shows. I can't prove it, but I'd bet Tracey wasn't even filming her
part in
>Fly Hard with the other cast members.  She seemed to be always in a
scene that
>didn't require anyone else to be in the same scene with her.

I was wondering why Tracey left.  I sort of think that it would have
been interesting to have her there when L&C started dating or got
married.  Anyone know why she left?

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My sister just had her second child last Wednesday, Ashley Kristina,
Aaaaawwwww...  Anyway, I've never been pregnant myself, but me and my
sister are so close I got to experience all the pains and cravings of
both of her pregnancies.  My favorite was chocolate icing and peanute
butter on wheat bread and French fries dipped in banana baby food.  That
last one came about a few months ago.  I was eating french fries and she
was feeding Caleb, and it looked good, so we tried it.  Who knew.  Try
ginger snaps and pumpkin pie filling, or Easy Cheese and Star crunch
bars.  My sister had a thing for mixing cheese and chocolate, I don't
like cheese, but a star crunch bar (caramel and rice crispie thing
covered in chocolate) covered in easy cheese is really good.
Ok, Thats enough for me.
Julie

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Julie wrote:

>My sister just had her second child last Wednesday, Ashley Kristina,
>Aaaaawwwww...  Anyway, I've never been pregnant myself, but me and my
>sister are so close I got to experience all the pains and cravings of
>both of her pregnancies.  My favorite was chocolate icing and peanute
>butter on wheat bread and French fries dipped in banana baby food.  That
>last one came about a few months ago.  I was eating french fries and she
>was feeding Caleb, and it looked good, so we tried it.  Who knew.  Try
>ginger snaps and pumpkin pie filling, or Easy Cheese and Star crunch
>bars.  My sister had a thing for mixing cheese and chocolate, I don't
>like cheese, but a star crunch bar (caramel and rice crispie thing
>covered in chocolate) covered in easy cheese is really good.

Can I just say.... EWWWWWW!!!!! <bg>  I'm pregnant (yes, for the 4th time ;)
and I've had tons of friends who've shared their experiences with strange
cravings, but never have cravings sounded so gross!!  LOL!  The biggest
cravings I had with my last pregnancy was Mexican food, especially anything
with chicken it in, and LOADED with sour cream and guacamole.  <g>  I guess
that could be a craving of even a non-pregnant person, though.  :)

I'm so grossed out right now, though, I may never have a pregnancy craving
again.  <g>  Thanks for sharing, Julie! That's hysterical!

Erin  :)
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I've been wondering, after so much discussion about different seasons and
specific eps, exactly what it is that makes each of us "love" or "hate" the
same ep.

I'm beginning to think that it's not the ep itself, or the writers, or the
cast/crew performance that makes you "love" or "hate" an ep, it's what you,
yourself, bring to the ep.

For instance, I don't "love" IGACOY, but I know I enjoyed it.  It has warm
memories, which make no sense at all when the individual scenes are
analyzed, but I really did, and do, enjoy watching the ep.  The same goes
for "The Rival" and "That Old Gang of Mine", "Metallo" and several others
which escape me at the moment.  Gee, I even kind of liked "The
Prankster"<g>  They were *fun* to watch.

I disliked the fourth season (and the latter half of the third season), but
I can't specifically pinpoint "why?".  I just know that when I finish
watching a fourth season ep I have this empty feeling inside, that just
wasn't there in earlier seasons.  It's like I was expecting some beautiful,
special thing to happen and, instead, I got yet another pair of socks.

Perhaps in earlier seasons I didn't have the same "expectations"  so I
didn't find the eps disappointing--in fact I often found them surprisingly
wonderful.  Or, maybe it's that I was expecting *more* from a married Lois
and Clark than any TV show is willing to give.

I don't know.  I just know that some of the eps that "everyone" pans are
some of my favourites, and others that "everyone" loves are ones that I
really disliked.  The only thing I can figure is that my life experiences
have given me a different perspective on those eps, and that may be true
for others.

Anybody have a better theory?

Margaret
Who is still waiting for someone to give her a good example of L&C
character development in season 4.

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Kathy said:
<<<I'm sure a younger fan could provide more specific detail than
30-year-old-me <g> but as I understand it, a *mosh* pit (not maj) is a
throng of kids dancing near the stage.  No seating, just tons of people
milling around, packed in like sardines and dancing like crazy.  They can
get somewhat dangerous since people are really packed in. One popular
activity is to pick someone up and pass them around on the top of the
"pit"
-- the person is lying down and everyone in the pit keeps them aloft by
lifting their hands above their heads and holding/pushing the person
around. "Stage diving" I believe is where someone jumps from the stage
into
the pit and the people below catch them and pass them around.>>>

Very good for an old timer <g> (SO kidding!) Kathy. I just wanted to
point out, that in most cases, a big part of the mosh pit is jumping up
and down and into people. This often causes bruises. Maybe that was part
of Jimmy's experience?

Cristin (My sister did the crowd surfing <when the crowd carries you
around> and says it was quite fun)
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At 12:08 PM -0600 3/11/99, Tull, James [CORP/STL] wrote:
>  We are trying to catch up on the nominees
>writings so that we can vote intelligently.  When is the last day of
voting,
>anyway?  And when is the first day that we can start nominating for next
>year?

The last day of voting for this year's Kerths is Sunday, March 21. The
Awards Ceremony on IRC will be Saturday, March 27 at 6pm ET.

As for nominating for next year, I'd say just keep a list of your favs so
you'll be prepared!  Nothing has been organized yet for next year, but I'd
guess that the time schedule will be similar to this year -- nominations in
February and voting in March.

One minor change that will probably go into effect for next year in regards
to eligibility -- if we do this again, a story's Archive upload date will
determine its eligibility.  We ran into problems this year trying to
satisfy everyone by saying that stories posted to the listserv in Dec 98
were eligible even though the story might not have been uploaded to the
Archive until Jan 99.  This was not only a hassle on our end (trying to
create the list of listserv stories) but it caused some "personal" problems
with people who felt their stories were treated unfairly.  Obviously the
details need to be worked out -- if someone posts to the listserv and not
to the Archive at all, or if they have their own website, we'll be
flexible.  But in general, a story's Archive upload date will determine
eligibility.  This will be a more tangible criteria and hopefully we won't
get any more hate mail. ;)

Bottom line -- if you want your story to be eligible for next year's
Kerths, get it in to the Archive by late November 1999 to ensure it will be
uploaded by the end of the year.

>We live in Saint Peters, MO, a suburb of Saint Louis.  Is there anyone from
>the Saint Louis area besides us and I am curious as to who is the farthest
>away from us?

I know of one other FoLC in St. Louis for sure, though there are most
likely more.  Me, I'm about 2 hours from you, in Central IL. :)

Farthest away from you?  Oh, that's a toss up. There are many FoLCs from
Australia and Europe.  The majority are in the US and Canada, yes, but
FoLCs in general are a very international group!

Kathy

Kathy

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At 6:12 PM -0500 3/17/99, Cristin J Whitley wrote:

>Cristin (My sister did the crowd surfing <when the crowd carries you
>around> and says it was quite fun)

Unless you get groped or dropped ;) both of which happen with amazing
frequency, at least at the college football games I've attended.  Women
I've talked to who have done it say that many guys take the opportunity to
'cop a feel'.

Wonder what Jimmy would think about that experience?  "Hey ... HEY!!!"

Kathy <g>

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At 6:38 PM -0800 3/14/99, GhettoQueen wrote:
>>>     Hi everyone, I new to the list. I was looking through the  archive
>>>& saw that there are some good stories except that I have one  problem.
>>>I can't download them from the site. If it is not too much trouble can
>>>anyone who has written fanfiction in the past please email it to me. I
>>>would  really appreciate it. Email them to ghettoqueen@cwix.com. Again
>>>thanks  alot.   Wendy <<<

Wendy, can you provide more information on just why you can't download them
>from the site?  Maybe we can help you so you can get the stories from the
archive.

I'm glad you want to read fanfic, but I'm not sure you really want to have
everyone who has ever written a story email it to you.  There are nearly
1000 stories on the Archive.  I have a feeling you wouldn't be too happy to
find all those in your mailbox. ;)

>I noticed that it said Season 6 Episode 6. Where can I get Season 5 & the
>beginning of Season 6. If it's at the achrive I can't download them from
the
>web site. So if that's it is there anyway you could email them to me at
>ghettoqueen@cwix.com

The Season 5 episodes (22 of them) are on the archive, but they can also be
accessed through the S5 website:

http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/

S5 picks up where "Family Hour" left off (the last episode of L&C), and
continues the series from there.  Each story is an "episode".  S6 is a
continuation of S5, and picks up where that season left off.

The S6 website is:

http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/

Again, Wendy, having someone send you all 22 episodes of S5 ... that would
be about 2 *Megs* worth of files.  Are you sure you really want that?  I
can send them as attachments, but again, we are talking a *lot* of data.

I'm not trying to discourage you; I would like to see if we can help you go
about this in an easier way.

Kathy

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Hi!!  I am a newbie here.. just joined the list a little while ago.  I
really
enjoy all that you guys are talking about, and I certanly love fanfic.  =)
anyways, getting to the point.  When I was pregnant, my favorite thing in
the
world was Fritos dipped in cream cheese.  But the real kicker is one time,
in
a resturant, I decided that chocolate suryp and cherries would be better
topping for my baked potaoe than the traditional sour cream and chives.  It
really grossed everyone out, and now that i think about it, I can't belive
that i ate it. Anyways, good luck on your story, and everyone take care!

Jay
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I've never been pregnant, so I can't really suggest what weird foods Lois
might crave, but this thread brought this to my mind:  I can just imagine
Lois
requesting all kinds of foreign cuisine and sending Superman all over the
planet to get it for her! Of course our darling Clark would do his best to
please her, but can't you just see his quiet exasperation? Hee Hee.

Back to lurking,
Juli ;-).
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At 09:22 AM 3/17/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Don't get me started, Georgia.  :)

<snip a pretty comprehensive condemnation of Stop the Presses <G> >

The idea of showing Lois and Clark's first major fight after their wedding
>was a good idea, but I've read tons better in fanfic--stuff that showed the
>*personal* conflicts that might arise between them rather than the
>professional ones.  I dunno; maybe the writers thought L&C's pairing was
too
>perfect--that they'd never have anything to argue about.  Of course, who am
>I to say anything?  I have the dickens of a time myself trying to make L&C
>fight about anything. :)
>
>Sheila
>(who seems to have emerged from lurkdom with a vengeance.  Oh, I see what
it
>is.  I'm having trouble with a scene, so I'm stalling...)

Okay, I'll help you stall.:)  I didn't dislike all of the elements of the
episode as much as you did ;) but I think you've nailed the fundamental
flaw in that last paragraph.  When I was trying to work out how they could
have satisfied the need for both characters to "win" in the situation as
set up (which I think was implicit in the way Jon and Martha counseled the
two of them, but not followed through on) I realized that the problem was
that they were in conflict about their professional lives, and that was
wrong.  They became colleagues long before they were lovers, and no matter
how often they disagreed about things, they never truly fought about
journalism.  Very early on they established a respect for each other's
judgment and ability in that area, and it rang very false to me for Lois to
completely dismiss Clark "as a reporter" just because her job title changed
or because she was afraid people would think she was playing favorites.

Perhaps you're right that the writer didn't understand that Lois and Clark
wasn't like other couple shows - it didn't work when the two of them were
put into the conventional situations of stress.  They had their own unique
problems and the show was at its best in showing them dealing with those as
partners, not adversaries.  If that seems too perfect for good television,
well, time will tell. ;)

Anyway, there were some good things in STP, and we'll probably never know
what was really going on in the hearts and minds of all involved that led
to it being the episode that it is, so I guess we'll just have to do as
Clark asked of Lois in Tempus Fugitive, and let it go. <G>

Georgia
>
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At 10:45 PM 3/17/99 -0500, Georgia E. Walden wrote:
>Perhaps you're right that the writer didn't understand that Lois and Clark
>wasn't like other couple shows - it didn't work when the two of them were
>put into the conventional situations of stress.  They had their own unique
>problems and the show was at its best in showing them dealing with those as
>partners, not adversaries.

Georgia, I agree entirely.  In fact, your last sentence reminds me of the
best L&C post-marriage argument I saw on the show--in two scenes from SLV.

1.  They had their own unique problems:  the entire situation had to do with
a problem that was unique to them--that someone saw Lois Lane with Superman
and thought they were having an affair.

2.  Showing them dealing with those as partners:  they were in the situation
together, and they recognized that both of them had behaved in ways that
caused the problem.  When they disagreed, they disagreed about the best way
to resolve the situation, and they disagreed in ways that were very much in
character for each of them.  Best of all, their disagreement didn't split
them up.  Ugh, I just remembered the scene from STP that I hated most--when
Clark woke up alone and came downstairs and found Lois asleep.  He got angry
instead of his tender heart melting over her exhaustion and the difficulties
she was facing.  (Sorry, Georgia, I really had intended to just "let it
go.")  Anyway, even though L&C disagreed in SLV, they kept trying to work
together, and they kept supporting each other (re the scene at the Planet
where people were bad-mouthing Lois, and Clark was getting plates of fudge).
*That's* my idea of how L&C argue.

<sigh>  The series had some unpleasant, out-of-character, or disappointing
moments, but it had some *really* good ones, too.

And yes, Margaret, I think that our reaction to any ep in L&C is based on
what we bring to it (which I think is true of *any* artistic work), not just
when we first see it, but later, too.  For example, first season eps that I
loved at the time are sort of "eh" now, simply because I am too impatient
with Lois not being in on Clark's secret.  I know that doesn't trouble
you--at least I assume so since you've written a lot of fanfic that is
pre-*pre*-Revelation--but I can't handle it at all, which is why my fanfic
not only post-Revelation, but post-engagement or wedding.

Sheila
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In a message dated 3/17/1999 9:16:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

<< I've been wondering, after so much discussion about different seasons and
 specific eps, exactly what it is that makes each of us "love" or "hate" the
 same ep.>>

Personally, I like the 4th season best of all. As I sit to watch a 4th
season
episode, I find great comfort in the fact that they are married, and that
they
are committed to each other. I no longer have to worry about the Scardinos,
or
Maysons, or Patricks, or...well, you get the idea.

Not to say that those characters didn't add to the show. I'm glad we got to
see Lois and Clark overcome obstacles in their way. What would it have said
about their love had they not had to actively choose each other?--Only that
no
one else wanted anything to do with them and that they were stuck with each
other <g>.

But after 2 1/2 seasons of obstacles, its good that they did get married.
Maybe it killed the show, maybe it didn't, but it made me happy :-). Lois
deserved the unconditional love that Clark offered, along with the family
life
she never had, and Clark deserved a life partner who he could share the life
he never thought he would have with. Whew.

Juli
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Yeah that IS true =)
I remember watching that episode and my mother getting (I know. How sad.
The weekly Lois and Clark watching was a family thing =) (but I was most
obsessed) really angry about it for setting a "bad example" **L** Oh
well.  The problem with being in a mosh pit "moshing" (jumping around
crazily and banging your head everywhere)
is that when you fall over you can't get up, and hence get jumped on
until you can make it to your feet which you normally can't because it's
so PACKED (not fun!).

Anyway; I agree with a previous statement. Why would Lois and Clark have
gone to see Pearl Jam ? It's NOT a 28 year old kind of thing. And the
way Clark said "Pearl Jam" was so funny IMO, like he was overemphazing
it to make it sound really cool but he just ended up sounding...
deprived.

~Tanya

Who is so incredibly happy because L&C is back on here for the first
time in ... 2 years !!!!!!

>
>Kathy said:
><<<I'm sure a younger fan could provide more specific detail than
>30-year-old-me <g> but as I understand it, a *mosh* pit (not maj) is a
>throng of kids dancing near the stage.  No seating, just tons of people
>milling around, packed in like sardines and dancing like crazy.  They
can
>get somewhat dangerous since people are really packed in. One popular
>activity is to pick someone up and pass them around on the top of the
>"pit"
>-- the person is lying down and everyone in the pit keeps them aloft by
>lifting their hands above their heads and holding/pushing the person
>around. "Stage diving" I believe is where someone jumps from the stage
>into
>the pit and the people below catch them and pass them around.>>>
>
>Very good for an old timer <g> (SO kidding!) Kathy. I just wanted to
>point out, that in most cases, a big part of the mosh pit is jumping up
>and down and into people. This often causes bruises. Maybe that was
part
>of Jimmy's experience?
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I put up a page in memory of Kirk Alyn for anyone who might be a fan, or
anyone interested in Superman history.  I had most of the page elements
ready
since I've been working on a "Superman in all media" section for my site,
but
I put this one up temporarily ahead of schedule as a kind of tribute to the
first movie Superman.

http://www.actwd.com/zoomway/comics/kirk_alyn.htm

On that page is a link to the movie serial version of the "origin of
Superman"

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At 12:28 AM 3/18/99 -0500, you wrote:
> For example, first season eps that I
>loved at the time are sort of "eh" now, simply because I am too impatient
>with Lois not being in on Clark's secret.  I know that doesn't trouble
>you--at least I assume so since you've written a lot of fanfic that is
>pre-*pre*-Revelation--but I can't handle it at all, which is why my fanfic
>not only post-Revelation, but post-engagement or wedding.
>
>Sheila

If I went into why I love or am not completely satisfied with ;) and
episode or a season (like Clark in House of Luthor said to Lois: I could
never *hate* one <g>) I'd be writing for hours and be late for work, but
this is one point I would like to comment on.

I also don't enjoy first season as much as the others, not so much because
of my impatience, but that until the characters stopped being reset or
being pushed into formulaic situations, the episodes seemed to me to have a
shallowness that prevented me from re-watching with as much pleasure. Not
all, but a lot.  This doesn't have to do with literary depth or artistic
excellence - just that the characters weren't let out of their boxes enough
for me in the early days.  This is understandable of course, and there's a
lot to like in first season, but over time, this is the effect they've had
on me.

Georgia
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I was deathly sick during my pregnancies... I mean bigtime sick (admitted
several times for fluids, ect)... the only things I could stomach were
Carnation Instant Breakfast (had to be 2% milk) the chocolate kind, and
Snicker's candy bars... go figure ;)

No weird food cravings... although the smell of meat sent me running, so I
was
essentially vegetarian during the pregnancies (which is odd, because this is
the time a woman's body actually NEEDS protein that is in meat)... again, go
figure ;)

-Crys-
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In a message dated 3/17/99 3:47:53 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Zoomway@AOL.COM
writes:

<<
 That brings me to the Clark and Jack buddy show! ;)  When it was hinted
that
 Jack might have figured out the secret, I can't tell you how glad I was
Jack
 never returned in second (or any other) season <g> The whole thing started
to
 stink of Batman and Robin, and it was pretty insulting that he figured out
 something in two episodes that Lois wouldn't figure out for another 22 <g>

 Zoomway@aol.com
  >>
Yes!!!  Even if I'd liked the character this would have ruined it for me.

<< Luthor is an obscenity in the pages of humanity,
and I *hated* the way she always made him look more supportive of Lois than
Clark was.  In her eps, Clark didn't even act like Lois's friend, much less
the man she considered her best friend.

I just needed to get that off my chest.  I'm writing about Lex right now,
and it gets to me sometimes :P

Sheila>>

I agree. I hope you sock it to Lex good.  I am currently reading the new
comic
sequence in which Superman gives up his Clark identity and is currently
being
trashed for his motives by everyone including Lois, while Lex Luthor, who
bought out and destroyed the Daily Planet, is on "top of the world."

How can they let that happen; what about truth, justice and the American
way.
Lex is a criminal and belongs in prison not rich and famous.

Enough, sorry I brought it up.

Charlotte
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Brenda.  You're not alone.  Please come to the one next week if they have it
and maybe you and I can get up to speed.  Technology cannot triump.

Charlotte
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Last night I woke up after having been asleep for about four hours, I
was sooooooo awake that I decided to get on the computer.  It was 3 in
the morning and everyone else was asleep.  Noone I know was on ICQ and I
didn't have any new email to respond to, but I was confused about
something someone told me about an episode, and so I figured I'd go
check it out on Zoom's page, and when I'd figured it out, I was still
awake and decided to check out the videos page, where I sat and watched
all the bloopers.  I laughed so hard I woke my roommate up and she
watched the rest with me.  Then I went to sleep.  Thanks for putting
those there, and I want to encourage all those who haven't already seen
them all to go watch them.  They are soooooo funny.
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In a message dated 3/17/99 6:16:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

>
>  I don't know.  I just know that some of the eps that "everyone" pans are
>  some of my favourites, and others that "everyone" loves are ones that I
>  really disliked.  The only thing I can figure is that my life experiences
>  have given me a different perspective on those eps, and that may be true
>  for others.
>

I suppose my tastes are not that unusual.  My favorite ep was Witness,
because
of the change in Lois's attitude towards Clark, and the strength of their
friendship... and love.  I adored GGGOH, PML, and TOGOM... again, for the
relationship aspects.

The trends continued, but were not limited to what was happening
romantically,
but rather what was happening in the friendship.  I acually liked Seconds
(his
relationship with the Clois) and I loved the Lex Files and NK Arcs... the
relationship/friendship was clear in both.  I loved domestic stuff...
cleaning
house, snuggling in bed, ect.  So any episode that had L&C doing "pillow
talk"
was great for me, because I think it showed how they held the relationship
together with some semblance of normalcy... some of my favorite scenes were
the last one in SL&V... the foot scene <bg> and any of the trailers that had
them analyzing their adventure... I loved to see them just *talk* at home.

Finally, the eps I didn't like... the ones that seemed to make a mockery of
the relationship, to me... I didn't like eps that were action oriented
(SuperMann comes to mind, although I did like some of the cute exchanges
that
went on)... but each episode had some redeeming quality.  Dean and Teri were
amazing together, and that always came through.

I loved the Prankster, and was disappointed in the Return of the Prankster,
Loved Dead Lois Walking (especially the banter at the restraunt... talk
about
HIGH MAINTENANCE)... and many other eps that other fans disliked.  I Didn't
like Double Jeapordy, in that it seemed so out of character... same with the
whole Deter incident... right up until Clark kissed her... sheesh, he should
have done THAT first off!!

Okay... I've rambled enough.  Just my thoughts :)
-Crys-
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In a message dated 3/17/99 9:28:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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> Ugh, I just remembered the scene from STP that I hated most--when
>  Clark woke up alone and came downstairs and found Lois asleep.  He got
angry
>  instead of his tender heart melting over her exhaustion and the
difficulties
>  she was facing.  (Sorry, Georgia, I really had intended to just "let it
>  go.")

Thank you!!  I was so annoyed at this... I never saw the point in the whole
ep!  She had OFTEN done her own thing when Perry had assigned her something
else or pulled her off a story, so why didn't she let Clark do his thing (it
wasn't like he wasn't working with Ralph on the Mayor story and fixing that
mess) and leave him alone.  Also, there was NO REASON for the fight that
they
had in this... it seemed so contrived and out-of-character... Clark wouldn't
WANT to be editor (too many Superman responsibilities) and he would surely
support Lois's desire to do well.  I can't understand his silence the next
morning... he could easily have done both stories... it was just so...
UUGH!!!

Okay... guess it's my turn to "let it go"... ;)

-Crys-
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Okay, I *know* I'm supposed to be letting this go, but I just can't :/
Whoever it was that said that their problem with STP was that they were
out of character was right on. In this I think it could probably apply
to all the eps that bothered me in LnC. Considering all that they went
through *before* they made it to the altar, it seems ludicrous to assume
that something so small and trivial would cause such an immense rift.
Also, I dont' think anybody mentionned this so I will. Clark wouldn't
want that editing job. He's Lois' biggest fan. And I'm pretty sure that
after DTOSC most of Lois' "Superman will want to be the one on top"
problems were dealt with. To bring them back is really, um, lacking :)
Oh, I thought I'd share that I felt that it also had a wierd aura about
it. Maybe it was her dress code? It was the only one in the fourth
season that made me feel like I was just a bystander and not an actual
participant in the story. That said, I like all the eps, just some more
than others and I will now shut up and go do my schoolwork like I'm
supposed to.

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 For the first 3 or so months of mine I craved candy and chocolate bars.
Every morning I would have a bowl of cereal and a snickers. I think my
husband got tired of running to the store and getting me lik-a-made. After
3 months I couldn't look at chocolate, and I got wierd. I ate sour cream
and onion chips with blueberry yogurt, and peanut butter with doritos.

Tanya
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I am sure that you guys have noticed that two actors played HG Wells
during the run of the show.

Anybody got any ideas why there were two - was one doing another role
when he was needed to play our time traveller?

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In a message dated 3/17/99 6:20:26 PM Central Standard Time, Zoomway@AOL.COM
writes:

<< Not to mention that "make the bad guy better than the good guy" approach
to
writing the villain, and it's really bizarre <g> >>

I'm usually not one to defend L&C writers, because I constantly write off
any
actions of my favorite characters that I don't find in character as not
being
in "my" L&C universe, only in the writer's. <g> But writing Luthor as at
least
appearing in public to be a decent guy was probably mandated by the *plan*
for
first season.  Lois was destined by TPTB to get engaged to Luthor at the end
of the season.  To make this a halfway believable thing for Lois to do, the
viewers had to see Luthor at some point act in a decent manner around Lois.
So we have his courtly behavior in IGACOY, and then even smoother in Fly
Hard.

I've always like FH myself - never saw it as particularly demeaning to
Clark.
*I* knew Luthor was just putting on all that niceness, that he was really a
cockroach. The whole thing made my skin crawl, but I think that's just what
the writer intended.  When BaTP came along, FoLCs found in hard to accept
that
Lois would agree to marry Luthor, but they would have even more loudly and
scornfully ridiculed the engagement if Luthor had not previously been seen
as
a non-villain, at least around Lois.  That was the whole point about first
season Luthor, he was a mega-monster but none of the good guys knew it
except
Superman.

And while we're on the subject of IGACOY (we were, weren't we?), I'm a
fervant
TDOCK, and I find Clark's behaviour in that ep "in character."  *Clark*
didn't
blow Lois's cover, Lex's presence did.  Clark just forced Lois to accept
that.
I think he did choose the dirty trash bin over the clean one to discourage
Lois from reentering the bar.  And I also think the little pats on the rear,
and maybe a little enjoyment of the dumpster dump, came out of a usually
repressed frustration at the way Lois always treated him.  Clark has
feelings
like anyone, he just usually does a better job than most at not acting on
his
feelings, due to lots of practice.  If Superman doesn't think twice or even
three times before he acts, it might not be pretty.  But he's not prefect,
so
sometimes these little bad moments get away from him, and it's usually
around
Lois.  <g>

Donna H
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I just wanted to thank everyone for all the great suggestions I've been
getting for really bizarre food combinations.  A lot of them made me
laugh; many of them made me lose my appetite (not a bad thing when
you're trying to lose weight!).  I'm just sorry that I can't use them
all but ...

Thanks for the help.

Oh and thanks for the mosh pit info.  I didn't actually need it but I've
been curious about it for a long time!

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Hi,

I'm normally a lurker, but I ran across something that you might find
interesting regarding pregnancy oddities.

In James Herriot's "Vet In a Spin" (later compiled with others as part of
his second "All Creatures" book), he discusses his wife's pregnancy with
their first child.  She had cravings (first oranges, then raw porridge oats,
then custard), but the strangest thing was the smells.  She began smelling
something funny but indefinable in their rooms (and only *she* could smell
it), so they had to start eating out.  They went through all three cafes in
town, but had to drop them when she smelled something funny in each place,
and finally resorted to picnics.

Maybe Lois could have a reaction like that.  Smells would be out (too
derivative), but how about feelings, some sort of unnerving sensation?

Bye,
Rhonda Robinson
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In a message dated 3/18/99 11:35:56 AM Central Standard Time,
smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Anybody got any ideas why there were two - was one doing another role
 when he was needed to play our time traveller?
  >>

Terry Kaiser, who had played Wells in Tempus Fugitive, was under contract
elsewhere when Wells was needed again more than a year later in Tempus
Anyone.
So Hamilton Camp was hired to play an "older" version of Wells, which was a
pretty clever idea really.  As it turned out, maybe one of the happy
accidents
for the show. The Kaiser Wells ended up being the "time traveling' Wells and
the Camp Wells (sounds like a summer camp for sci fi fans ;) became the
"alternate dimension traveling" Wells.

What's wonderful about this unusual and fortuitous choice is that we get to
see the evolution of Wells as a character also.  When he's the younger
version, he's something of an innocent and certainly a hopeless (or hopeful)
romantic.  He's fascinated by the simplest things, such as the dispensers at
the outdoor vendor stand or the elevator at the Daily Planet and gives out
with an appreciative "woo" when a leggy blonde walks by.  He can't believe
he
was fooled and betrayed by Tempus, but is pretty sharp when he realizes the
truth. He leaves the blueprint of the time machine behind and resets the
dials
to 1866 in order to buy "time" for Lois and Clark.

With the older Wells, we see a version who seems to act as protector of
Utopia, and quite probably because he feels almost solely responsible for it
being in jeopardy in the first place.  He unleashed Tempus, and like
Pandora's
box, he can't put the evil back, but can combat it with hope.  He's become
wizened to the ways of Tempus, but even so, is still appalled by his
actions.
He seems to have genuine affection for the alternate Clark Kent, who,
without
Lois, is a very lonely character.  It's apparent that he will help that
Clark
find his Lois.  He's a feistier Wells in that he'll take direct *physical*
action like smacking Dragon on the head, "Forgive me if I gloat!" and
clobbers
Tempus to get the bomb away from him.  He also has come to realize that
there
is no reasoning with a mad man and so no longer treats Tempus like someone
whose humanity can be reached.

I love both versions of Wells in the series because they both serve
different
but important functions in the story lines and they show the evolution of a
minor (in terms of screen time) character. It's one of the zillion things I
love about the series. Not only did Lois and Clark evolve, but the other
characters, including the villains, evolved. Tempus is a great example of
that. When we first meet him, he's like a kid who busted out of reform
school
right into a candy store.  All the things he has always wanted and dreamed
of
and read about, but could never have, are all within reach.  However, he's
not
cold-blooded -- not yet.  He could have killed Clark as a baby quite easily,
but he delays, stalls and hesitates too much.  When we meet him again, he's
become colder and more calculating.  He seems to have learned something from
his mistakes.  Yet, he's still not a killer.  Even when he puts Lois on the
crumbling building ledge, his intention isn't to kill her.  When we see him
the final time, he's not only become a killer, but a killer on an ever
escalating scale.

He dumps a man out of a window just to prove he can get away with it
complements of his mind control device.  He shoots a homeless man, and then,
when in power, decides to have public executions for those who would disobey
him.  When Superman (from the alternate dimension) destroys his mind control
device, he's ready to kill on a grand scale -- the whole world.  He, unlike
Lex, however, isn't suicidal, he plans to slip back into the alternate world
leaving the other in rubble.

Yes, I know, you just asked a simple question and I went off on a complete
tangent, but I loved every Wells/Tempus episode. Tempus is my favorite
villain
>from the series.  Though Tempus had time travel and other dimensions to use
as
weapons, what made him so much more gratifying as a villain than say Lex, is
that Tempus was defeatable.  Lex debuted undefeated, getting away with
murder
and other assorted nefarious dealings, and died undefeated.  Tempus, on the
other hand, was defeated by Lois, Clark and Wells.  The war would continue,
but at least the battle victories went to the heroes and *not* the villain.

Zoomway@aol.com
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In one of the messages about the IRC tutorial, 2:00 was mentioned for
the USA.  We have 4 time zones.  Which one is it going to be ET, CT,
MT, or PT?

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In a message dated 3/18/99 12:37:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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> In one of the messages about the IRC tutorial, 2:00 was mentioned for
>  the USA.  We have 4 time zones.  Which one is it going to be ET, CT,
>  MT, or PT?
>

That's 2pm EST, 1pm CST, and 12pm PST... I don't know mountain time, but I'm
sure it's in there somewhere ;)

-Crys-
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In a message dated 3/18/99 12:37:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM
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> In one of the messages about the IRC tutorial, 2:00 was mentioned for
>  the USA.  We have 4 time zones.  Which one is it going to be ET, CT,
>  MT, or PT?
>

Oy... just shoot me...
2pm EST, 1pm CT, 12pm MT, and 11am PT.. so that's where mountain time fit
<bg>... that's what I get for never leaving the West Coast ;)

-Crys-
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Another thing to take into consideration about ratings is the shows before
and
after.  I don't know how this would affect Lois and Clark, since I never
watched it while it was on ABC, but if a really bad show is on before a
really
good show, the really good show's ratings get affected.  An example of this
is
the X-Files.  I read an article somewhere, where, I think Chris Carter,
pointed out that the X-Files lost a lot of ratings after King Of the Hill
got
moved to Tuesday and was replaced by That 70's Show.  So you also have to
take
into consideration the lead ins.
        Kelsey
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From:         "Liz *<:o)" <SilvrBrwne@AOL.COM>
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Hiya everyone ;)

> Anyway; I agree with a previous statement. Why would Lois and Clark have
> gone to see Pearl Jam ? It's NOT a 28 year old kind of thing.

Why isn't it a 28 year old kind of thing?  I wouldn't say "it's NOT a 28
year
old kind of thing," I know some people that are 28 *and* older that love
going
to concerts like Pearl Jam, Metallica, etc. and some actually join in the
mosh
pits, cause they enjoy it.  If you like it, then you *should* do it,
reardless
of your age; you only live once. ;)

Liz
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Hi all,

Came across a few things recently that someone on the list may know about.

1 - Does anyone know what has happened to the Krypton Club and the Short
Stories they use to do?  The webpage address I have doesn't work.

2 - It there a fanfic of the novel CK was working on at the beginning of
HoL?

3 - Came across a fic idea from Gary from about a year ago about PW showing
CK a newpaper where Claude had died of aids.  Anyone write this?

Thanks!
D
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<<<I've been wondering, after so much discussion about different seasons and
specific eps, exactly what it is that makes each of us "love" or "hate" the
same ep.

I'm beginning to think that it's not the ep itself, or the writers, or the
cast/crew performance that makes you "love" or "hate" an ep, it's what you,
yourself, bring to the ep.

For instance, I don't "love" IGACOY, but I know I enjoyed it.  It has warm
memories, which make no sense at all when the individual scenes are
analyzed, but I really did, and do, enjoy watching the ep.  The same goes
for "The Rival" and "That Old Gang of Mine", "Metallo" and several others
which escape me at the moment.  Gee, I even kind of liked "The
Prankster"<g>  They were *fun* to watch.

I disliked the fourth season (and the latter half of the third season), but
I can't specifically pinpoint "why?".  I just know that when I finish
watching a fourth season ep I have this empty feeling inside, that just
wasn't there in earlier seasons.  It's like I was expecting some beautiful,
special thing to happen and, instead, I got yet another pair of socks.

I don't know.  I just know that some of the eps that "everyone" pans are
some of my favourites, and others that "everyone" loves are ones that I
really disliked.  The only thing I can figure is that my life experiences
have given me a different perspective on those eps, and that may be true
for others.

Anybody have a better theory?
Margaret>>>>

I think some people like some episodes better thab others because of style,
and the way the episode is written. I know that I will prefer action
oriented
episodes and near revelation/relationship episodes over the totally mushy
episodes, with plots that are more along the lines of "Gotta save the world
>from physco" than "Gotta save myself".  I loved Lois's character in the end
of
the first, the second, and the beginning of the third season, so those are
the
episodes I like most.  Her total lack of self-confidence in some of the
episodes of the end of the third season and the fourth seaon kind of bugged
me. I never had such a strong urge to throw hard objects at the TV then
during
the fourth season. The way the characters changed may have caused some of
the
anti-fourth season opinion.
         My mom's boyfriend said that the marriage was the downfall of the
show.  I
don't totally agree, but that theory has some merit.
 Okay, know that everyone's probably sick of me, I'll shut up.
        Kelsey
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Thanks Kathy. I think i Finally figured out the problem & I'm on my way.
Thanks a lot thought.

Wendy
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>At 6:38 PM -0800 3/14/99, GhettoQueen wrote:
>>>>     Hi everyone, I new to the list. I was looking through the  archive
>>>>& saw that there are some good stories except that I have one  problem.
>>>>I can't download them from the site. If it is not too much trouble can
>>>>anyone who has written fanfiction in the past please email it to me. I
>>>>would  really appreciate it. Email them to ghettoqueen@cwix.com. Again
>>>>thanks  alot.   Wendy <<<
>
>
>Wendy, can you provide more information on just why you can't download them
>>from the site?  Maybe we can help you so you can get the stories from the
>archive.
>
>I'm glad you want to read fanfic, but I'm not sure you really want to have
>everyone who has ever written a story email it to you.  There are nearly
>1000 stories on the Archive.  I have a feeling you wouldn't be too happy to
>find all those in your mailbox. ;)
>
>
>
>>I noticed that it said Season 6 Episode 6. Where can I get Season 5 & the
>>beginning of Season 6. If it's at the achrive I can't download them from
the
>>web site. So if that's it is there anyway you could email them to me at
>>ghettoqueen@cwix.com
>
>The Season 5 episodes (22 of them) are on the archive, but they can also be
>accessed through the S5 website:
>
>http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/
>
>S5 picks up where "Family Hour" left off (the last episode of L&C), and
>continues the series from there.  Each story is an "episode".  S6 is a
>continuation of S5, and picks up where that season left off.
>
>The S6 website is:
>
>http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/
>
>Again, Wendy, having someone send you all 22 episodes of S5 ... that would
>be about 2 *Megs* worth of files.  Are you sure you really want that?  I
>can send them as attachments, but again, we are talking a *lot* of data.
>
>I'm not trying to discourage you; I would like to see if we can help you go
>about this in an easier way.
>
>Kathy
>
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At 05:23 PM 18/03/99 EST, Margaret wrote:
> I just know that when I finish
>watching a fourth season ep I have this empty feeling inside, that just
>wasn't there in earlier seasons.  It's like I was expecting some beautiful,
>special thing to happen and, instead, I got yet another pair of socks.
>I don't know.  I just know that some of the eps that "everyone" pans are
>some of my favourites, and others that "everyone" loves are ones that I
>really disliked.  The only thing I can figure is that my life experiences
>have given me a different perspective on those eps, and that may be true
>for others.

First of all, I found your post very insightful Margaret.  And while I am
in the "everyone" category you mentioned earlier, I also appreciate your
honesty in this.  It truly is subjective in the end, and the only way we
*can* really go about discussing things like this is by talking about how
we felt when we watched the series.  Obviously there is something which has
always been present that keeps us all here, discussing and debating.
Beyond that, there's only room to toss our individual ideas and feelings
back and forth.  I'm glad you posted this. :)

I think perhaps what may also contribute to the liking or disliking of the
'married season', are those issues which we *ourselves* feel more
passionately about and consider dramatic in terms of conflict for any given
narrative.  Where we are in our own stage of emotional development. In
other words, what we're looking for when we watch Lois & Clark to begin
with, because I think that there are those of us who take a different
experience from the series than others do.

For example, for many (the "everyone" you mention in your post), Lois &
Clark was a romantic journey, very much about the two of them forging a
path *together*.  The 'magic' you referred to earlier, of the first, second
and third seasons, would then have been an ongoing process which built the
foundation of their marriage in the fourth season, and in doing so, also
changed their characters -- forcing them to grow along with their
perspectives on a shared life, as opposed to one spent in the *pursuit* of
a shared life. ;)

That character growth upset a certain set of the fandom who were very
excited about desperately holding onto (forever) what was ultimately Lois
Lane's 'dark-insecure-side'.  The one which gave her the nickname of Mad
Dog Lane, and which caused her colleagues to cringe when she entered the
room.  It (to me) was endearing at first, and exciting in that she
epitomized a woman who would not allow herself to be taken advantage of,
but by the same token, it was also a fairly significant character hubris
going into the story arc.  And as Lois' relationship with Clark became more
stable, more 'real' if you will, as she began to truly achieve the
confidence which had up until then been far more bravado than anything
else, she began to change.  She HAD to change.  She had no place to go but
'up' <wink>

So yes, she lashed out less often, aggressed without purpose a little less
frequently as well.  She was also nicer to Clark, but I don't see how she
could have gone on the way she was any longer than she *did* -- without
exploding.  She was a ticking time bomb, either she'd have been killed or
she'd have had a nervous breakdown.  (More likely the former ;)

To me, the series was *about* change -- about 'fitting in' what it meant to
be different, and to have the ability to make that difference count.  For
Clark, that difference was obvious.  "DUH" in the words of Tempus. <g>  But
for Lois, that difference involved *focusing* the tremendous energy and
emotion she'd been bottling up and only allowing to pop out through the cap
like a shaken can of coke by mistake every so often.  Focus and a sense of
belonging which I believe she shared quite profoundly with Clark.

The primary difference between what was controversially argued over
concerning seasons 1/2 and then 3/4 was, to my mind, most definitely rooted
in the way that each individual FoLC looked at the concept of 'together'
and of marriage in general.  IMHO, far too many people believe that we have
all of our 'fun' getting *to* the point of 'together' and then have none
left for the ever-after portion of our lives.

That's a creative stumbling block for any kind of storyline which attempts
to further emotional character growth past the thrill-of-the-chase stage.
It makes it so that not only does the narrative have to believably achieve
it's new source of conflict, but it must also break down those
it-cant-get-any-better-than-this walls which viewers (and far too often,
writers as well) have built up around themselves.  Punch through those...
and it's possible to be touched by a maturing relationship storyline.

It's easy to write eye-candy for Romeo and Juliet or Harry and Sally.  But
where I think Lois & Clark succeeded so incredibly well beyond that point
(and where you're probably finding the most frustration) is in it's
tackling of the 'AFTER-happily-ever-after' saga.

In seasons 1 and 2, Clark was still a man who wasn't certain where he was
ultimately going to belong.  He knew what he wanted, but not how to make it
happen.  In seasons 3 and 4, Clark had obtained a far greater measure of
security in terms of knowing where his life was going to begin to take him,
and with whom.  Other than putting *that* aspect of things off for another
two seasons, I don't see how we could have kept those two characters at
phase-one of their growth stage after they'd already progressed as far as
they had, together.  Besides, there was still the fact that this was Lois
Lane married to Superman, after all.  How great for conflict is *that*? <bg>

<<<still waiting for someone to give her a good example of L&C character
development in season 4.>>>

Well there were a great many which I found.  However, they weren't the kind
of epiphany moment which wrote 'and the moral is...' across our TV screens,
they were inferred and very much rooted into the relationship aspect of
both characters.  Certainly there were moments of equal (or even greater)
calibur to IGACOY (which you also mentioned).

I'll give you perhaps one of the larger examples right now.  In the
TPvsLL/DLW story arc, Superman breaks Lois Lane out of jail.  He BREAKS THE
LAW! ;) He makes a decision, on his own, that what's happening to her is
wrong, that it's not justice and that his old conviction to allow humanity
to make it's own rules and to abide unflinchingly by those rules wasn't the
TRUE pathway to truth and justice.  Clark hit a HUGE paradox right there,
and it _completely_ changed the way he viewed his role in the world, as
well as forced him to test his most heartfelt moral concept when juxtaposed
with his love for Lois.  The two eventually turned out to be not entirely
mutually exclusive after all, but that was only after a  a whole lot of
soul searching and a great deal of sacrifice.   Tell me that wasn't a 'good
example of character development'?  Because if so, then I don't know what
is. ;)

Again, I could list many more but the point of that is moot -- seasons 3
and 4 of the series brought to life the kind of storylines which tested our
moral and ethical concepts, our concepts of trust, love, loyalty and
freedom.  The fact that Lois & Clark found answers to those questions as a
united force most often was testament, not to a wishy-washy story plan, but
to the fact that the creative development of those two characters hinged on
PARTNERSHIP and the kind of trust which they'd taken over 3 years to build
together.  Yes, it changed their characters, yes it made their conflict
somewhat more concept oriented as opposed to relationship oriented --
rather than worrying about finding a way to be together, they worried about
the future of humanity -- together.

But I sort of loved that. ;)

Take Care All,
Demi
___________________________________________
Demi aka Demona

nightangel@home.com
http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/

"Far away, long ago, glowing dim as an ember.
Things my heart used to know, things it yearns to remember.."
- 'Anastasia' (excerpt: 'Once Upon A December')

I went to the doctor, I went to the mountain.
I looked to the children, I drank from the fountain.
There's more than one answer to these questions,
pointing me in a crooked line.
The less I seek my source for some definitive
The closer I am to fine.
                - Indigo Girls
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>I was deathly sick during my pregnancies... I mean bigtime sick (admitted
>several times for fluids, ect)... the only things I could stomach were
>Carnation Instant Breakfast (had to be 2% milk) the chocolate kind, and
>Snicker's candy bars... go figure ;)
>
>No weird food cravings... although the smell of meat sent me running, so I
was
>essentially vegetarian during the pregnancies (which is odd, because this
is
>the time a woman's body actually NEEDS protein that is in meat)... again,
go
>figure ;)
>
>-Crys-

I guess I'll come out of lurking to throw my hat in the ring.  I don't
remember anything too weird, but I had finally gotten over a serious
addiction to chocolate not too long before I got pregnant and was quite
upset when I found myself craving chocolate BIGTIME again - especially in
the form of chocolate milk shakes.  The other thing I remember I remember
which might be "fun" is this: my husband is a very good cook and did almost
all of the cooking during my first trimester, and he would really try hard
to cook things I could stomach.  The problem was that when he suggested a
menu it would sound just fine at first; until he actually got it most of
the way finished, that is.  Then, more often than not, the smells wafting
>from the kitchen would send me fleeing to the bathroom!!  There were many
nights when my poor husband would find himself in the dining room alone
facing multiple servings of everything while his wife lay moaning on the
living room sofa sending soft heartfelt apologies his way.  I can see a
senario like this sending Clark through the roof (perhaps literally -LOL)!
Terry
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In a message dated 3/18/99 5:22:23 PM EST, rfield@ROANOKE.INFI.NET writes:

<<  Came across a fic idea from Gary from about a year ago about PW showing
 CK a newpaper where Claude had died of aids.  Anyone write this?
  >>
:: babble mode ON ::  <vbg>

Hey FoLCs,

I do not know if anyone wrote this fic, but I sure would like to know if
someone did and where I could find it!  I didn't find anything like it on
the
archive, unless I'm just missing it.  Even better, if it *hasn't* been
written
yet, I would like to challenge one of you great writers to do so!  ;-)  I
would love to write it myself if I had the time and concentration to devote
to
such a project at this time, but unfortunately, I don't.  I'm just afraid
that
with the high expectations I have for this story, I would disappoint myself
and others with the finished project considering that I could not devote all
the time and effort that it deserves.  This sounds to me like it could be a
really *great* drama fic.  I don't know that anyone has ever really dealt
with
the AIDS issue in L&C fic much, but I would really like to see someone
tackle
it.  I see many incredible possibilities here.  It would be interesting to
see
Lois dealing with the fear and frustration of going through HIV tests, etc.,
with Clark there to comfort her of course.  <G>  I personally would like to
see it set in either the first or second season, but of course any season
would do.  :)  Okay, okay, I guess I've rambled on enough about this topic,
but I'm just having fun imagining all the great possibilities this storyline
could have!  I think, if dealt with well, it could be a strong Kerth
contender
for next year!  Any takers?!?!?  :-)

Genine

:: babble mode OFF ::
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In a message dated 3/18/99 12:56:54 PM Central Standard Time,
DonnaH7@AOL.COM
writes:

<< But writing Luthor as at least
 appearing in public to be a decent guy was probably mandated by the *plan*
for
 first season.  Lois was destined by TPTB to get engaged to Luthor at the
end
 of the season.  To make this a halfway believable thing for Lois to do, the
 viewers had to see Luthor at some point act in a decent manner around Lois.
 So we have his courtly behavior in IGACOY, and then even smoother in Fly
Hard. >>

For me, there was no problem with Luthor's "mask" of respectability.  He
worked hard to be "perceived" as an altruistic businessman who used his
power
and money for good while in *reality* he was doing a lot of horrible things.
That was a great and very viable disguise.  However, with IGACOY, it was not
about "perception" at all, but "deed".  That is, Clark *did* blow Lois'
cover,
he *did* throw her in the trash and he *did* patronizingly dismiss her anger
while Lex, on the other hand, complimented her performance didn't turn her
over to Toni ("What are friends for?") and was the only male in the entire
episode who didn't tease her or treat her like a joke.

Now, had the episode been written having Toni confront Lois telling her that
she's found out that Lois is a reporter and to get out, and then later *Lex*
tells Lois that Clark is the one who blew her cover when he in fact was the
one, then that would have been more in keeping with what Lex was truly all
about and Clark's character wouldn't have been compromised.  Unfortunately,
that's not what happened.  The writer chose to write Clark as a jerk for the
sake of trashing him in Lois' eyes compared to how Lex treated her, and I
think that stinks <g>

>>>I've always like FH myself - never saw it as particularly demeaning to
Clark.
*I* knew Luthor was just putting on all that niceness, that he was really a
cockroach.<<<

We *all* knew that about Lex, but in Fly Hard, as with IGACOY, it wasn't
about
"perception" it was about "deed" again.  Lex in *deed* looked like the hero.
He even tangled with an armed man who was being rough with Lois.  Lex was in
fact risking his life to protect her, because he was unarmed.  Now, again,
had
Lex been the one behind the raid on the Daily Planet, and all his heroics
were
a carefully staged front to impress Lois as they had been in Requiem for a
Superhero or Barbarians at the Planet, then that would have been *so* Lex.
It
would have all been as phony as his veneer of altruism. But, it was *real*
in
this episode.  Lex *did* look like the hero compared to Clark, and *that's*
the difference in St. John scripts.

>>>When BaTP came along, FoLCs found in hard to accept that
Lois would agree to marry Luthor, but they would have even more loudly and
scornfully ridiculed the engagement if Luthor had not previously been seen
as
a non-villain, at least around Lois.<<<

For me, the big protest was that Lois admitted she didn't *love* Lex but was
going to marry him anyway. I don't care how good he treated her or pretended
to treat her, she didn't *love* him and *that* is the problem I had with her
marrying him.

>>>>And while we're on the subject of IGACOY (we were, weren't we?), I'm a
fervant
TDOCK, and I find Clark's behaviour in that ep "in character."  *Clark*
didn't
blow Lois's cover, Lex's presence did. <<<

Lois was not responsible for Clark's undefined suspicions of Lex Luthor. If
Clark was suspicious of him *he* should have left, but it was unfair for him
to make Lois take the fall for his own suspicions.

>>>Clark just forced Lois to accept that.
I think he did choose the dirty trash bin over the clean one to discourage
Lois from reentering the bar.<<<

I will *never* buy that one <g> Clark was being childishly spiteful and
that's
why he chose that sloppy garbage.  I won't ever believe that Lois would let
a
stain on her dress keep her outr of *any* place <g>

>>And I also think the little pats on the rear,
and maybe a little enjoyment of the dumpster dump, came out of a usually
repressed frustration at the way Lois always treated him.<<<

Again, this is justifying Clark's bad treatment of Lois because Lois wasn't
being what *Clark* wanted her to be.  Darn that Lois Lane for wanting to
keep
a story that she did all the ground work on, and pretty humiliating ground
work at that.  What a witch <g>

>>>Clark has feelings
like anyone, he just usually does a better job than most at not acting on
his
feelings, due to lots of practice.<<<

Clark was usually *written* as looking upon Lois' fits of temper and
tangents
with a sense of humor and not a sense of vindictiveness.  I think Lois found
Clark's smile more disarming than any mistreatment ever could.  I had no
interest in the pod Clark I saw in IGACOY and was glad he closed on opening
night.

>>If Superman doesn't think twice or even
three times before he acts, it might not be pretty.  But he's not prefect,
so
sometimes these little bad moments get away from him, and it's usually
around
Lois<<<

This isn't about "flaws" or characters "not being perfect" this is about
Clark
not acting in character compared to how he'd been depicted the rest of first
season. Clark didn't eventually win Lois over by using Neanderthal or
juvenile
tactics. Lois actually smacked Clark's hand away in anger in this episode.
Clark looked like he'd been hit in the face with a frozen carp <g>  It was
like something finally got through to him "gee, I guess she didn't like all
the @#$% I put her through".  Gosh, ya think so, Clark? ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (who is a TDOCK too, but who believes Clark actually has to
*be* in the episode to be defended, and he was absent in IGACOY ;)
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In a message dated 3/17/99 11:12:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gwalde14@MINDSPRING.COM writes:

<< They became colleagues long before they were lovers, and no matter
 how often they disagreed about things, they never truly fought about
 journalism.  Very early on they established a respect for each other's
 judgment and ability in that area, and it rang very false to me for Lois to
 completely dismiss Clark "as a reporter" just because her job title changed
 or because she was afraid people would think she was playing favorites.
  >>

I think you have hit the nail on the head with this observation.  What
really
bothered me the most with this episode was the end, when Lois and Clark are
on
the patio and she says she should have let him go with the story.  He then
says, "so if you had to do it again, you'd let me run with it?" or something
to that effect.  She then responds, "No, I'd kill the story again.  What I
wouldn't do again is be editor."  and totally contradicted what she had just
said to Clark.  I couldn't believe he just accepted it.  I wanted to shake
some sense into her.

Ann
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In a message dated 3/18/99 9:07:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Cdfisler@AOL.COM
writes:

<<  Luthor is an obscenity in the pages of humanity,
 and I *hated* the way she always made him look more supportive of Lois than
 Clark was. >>
Amen.  I can hardly stand to watch any of the episodes with Luthor, because
he
makes my skin crawl, but the ones where he comes off looking like Lois's
friend are by far the worst.

Ann
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When I was pregnant with my kids, I craved things I normally don't like at
all.  I ate tons of ice cream, even though I could live my life without it
and
never miss it.  The biggest thing was smells:  all sorts of smells that are
normally pleasant became intolerable, like almost all perfumes and soaps.  I
had to change to unscented everything to stay un-nauseated.

Ann
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>Zoomway@aol.com (who is a TDOCK too, but who believes Clark actually has to
>*be* in the episode to be defended, and he was absent in IGACOY ;)

LOL, Zoom!  That's the way I felt about the scene in STP when Clark not only
didn't cover Lois up when she'd fallen asleep downstairs over her work, but
he was p***ed off about it, too.  (I don't know who that clone was that came
downstairs, but it wasn't Clark :P )

Sheila
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In a message dated 3/18/99 9:22:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JCWimmer@AOL.COM
writes:

<< Also, there was NO REASON for the fight that they
 had in this... it seemed so contrived and out-of-character... Clark
wouldn't
 WANT to be editor (too many Superman responsibilities) and he would surely
 support Lois's desire to do well >>

But Clark didn't want to be editor.  He offered to take his name out of the
running at the very beginning and WAS supportive until she killed his story
(which had been their story until her promotion)  and made him partner
Ralph.
Even then, I think he tried to be supportive, but she kept making it
difficult
for him.

I don't think it was out of character for Clark to be upset with what Lois
did.  What was out of character was the way Lois treated Clark from the very
beginning.  She put him down during the staff meeting when he said he wasn't
ready to finish the story because he was still looking for proof and then
took
him out of the room like he was a naughty school boy who needed to be chewed
out.

Ann
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At 12:28 AM 3/18/1999 -0500, Sheila wrote:
<snip a whole stack of stuff about STP that I totally agree with>

>And yes, Margaret, I think that our reaction to any ep in L&C is based on
>what we bring to it (which I think is true of *any* artistic work), not
just
>when we first see it, but later, too.

I guess I'm kind of weird that way.  Somehow I'm able to "preserve" the
feeling I had when I first saw something.  I'm able to "remember" that
joyful, never-seen-before feeling each time I rewatch an ep I enjoyed.

>  For example, first season eps that I
>loved at the time are sort of "eh" now, simply because I am too impatient
>with Lois not being in on Clark's secret.  I know that doesn't trouble
>you--at least I assume so since you've written a lot of fanfic that is
>pre-*pre*-Revelation--

<g>  No it doesn't trouble me, because when I watch those eps it's as if
they were only just being aired, and yet I have all of Lois and Clark's
development still to look forward to.  It feels good to be in at the
beginning of a beautiful friendship, again and again and again.  (I also
read favourite books, over and over and over.  It's a way of reliving the
joy I experienced the first time I read them:)

I like the early eps because there is still "hope" for happiness,
perfection, progress in Clark and Lois' relationship.  With the early eps,
there is still hope that things will be better once they recognize their
destiny and are married.

However, the reality of the fourth season was that the evil forces of the
universe kept coming back to put more roadblocks in their path to personal
happiness, again and again and again.   Some of them, as you pointed out
for STP, didn't make any sense at all.  (Obviously the writers hadn't
watched the early eps;p)  It seemed like the personal torture of Lois and
Clark was never going to end, so I didn't enjoy the episodes while I was
watching them.  (Sort of like the non-wedding arc, only more so;\)

Like I said, I have this strong emotional memory.  I like to rewatch the
episodes that gave me joy.  I avoid the ones which didn't.  Since my
emotions when watching fourth season could hardly be described as joyful, I
avoid rewatching them.

>but I can't handle it at all, which is why my fanfic
>not only post-Revelation, but post-engagement or wedding.

I wanted Lois and Clark's marriage to be the best it could be, but I found
the aired version of their marriage too angst-ridden to be "real".

I realize that the people who "love" fourth season see the perfection that
I was hoping for.  I really wish I could, but it doesn't seem possible;\
I've come to the conclusion that I like beginnings rather than denouements.

Margaret

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Zoomway, thanx so much for the beautiful tribute to Kirk Alyn.  I knew him
several years ago and found him to be funny, sweet, and a true gentleman.
In
my eyes, he *was* Superman.  Unfortunately, real life (marriage,
children....etc.) got in the way and I hadn't seen him in years.
I'll always regret that I never just picked up the phone and called one last
time.

Piper
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No one's voicing my opinion, so it looks like I'll have to do my own
talking for once. <g>

I *liked* Lex Luthor.  No.  Wait.  That's not right.  If Lex was a real
human being I would hate him with a passion.  He's evil and cruel, and
he stuck Clark in a kryptonite cage, for gosh sake.  So, yes, I hate Lex
Luthor.  (Can't you tell I'm a little mixed up here?)

But I understand that there always had to be a bad guy on Lois and
Clark.  I'm sure as soon as I say that, someone will point out an
episode where that's not true, but in general it is.  So if I have to
suffer through the evil villian, give me Lex Luthor anyday.

Okay, this is the part where I always get stuck.  I love watching Lex
Luthor, and I love the episodes he's in.  I think that's because he's so
fun to hate.  You can hate him with a passion and feel no guilt about it
because the guy really doesn't have any redeeming qualities.
But no, now I'm stuck again, because that really can't be all.  Bad
Brain, for example, didn't really have any redeeming qualities either
and I'm no fan of *him*.

I liked Lex Luthor because he wasn't one-dimensional.  Until he started
loosing his hair, he actually had goals other than kill Superman and/or
get Lois Lane.  He managed to seem almost at the level of Superman in
public, but it was all an act, and not even Perry ever picked up on it.
Lex had a personality.  That's something few L&C evil-guys ever showed
evidence of.

Maybe I'll just blame it on John Shea.  Few things that Lex Luthor ever
did or said would come across so deliciously evil on paper.  So maybe
the whole reason I stumbled through this post is John Shea's acting.
I'm honestly not really sure myself, but I'd be very grateful if one of
you people who can write amazing explanations would explain it to me.

Jessi
jessi914@hotmail.com

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When I was pregnant with my oldest daughter I craved italian food,
Zabaglione, ganoli's, struffili etc. , with my second daughter, it was
paella, gnocchi, and ritz crackers, my baby girl gabrielle was the
strangest, I craved greek food, if it wasn't stuffed in a grape leaf I
wasn't interested.  I also lived for opihi, ahi, and poi.

Sashimi anyone...?

LOL to the OBGYN's out there who should write books on some of this stuff.

Mahalo to all from hawaii
Maeve
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>Irene
>
>The oddest cravings I had when I was going through one of my pregnancies
was
>bacon and banana sandwiches - I don't think I can even thing of them now
>without feeling slightly sick but there you go, pregnant ladies have to be
>indulged.
>
>Regards
>Eileen B
>eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: irene d <sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM>
>To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
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>
>
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>For a fanfic I'm working on that has a pregnancy in it, I'm looking for
>>suggestions for weird and wonderful food cravings.
>
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Hey Folcs :-)
Demi wrote:
>>> The primary difference between what was controversially argued over
concerning seasons 1/2 and then 3/4 was, to my mind, most definitely rooted
in
the way that each individual FoLC looked at the concept of 'together' and of
marriage in general.  IMHO, far too many people believe that we have all of
our
'fun' getting *to* the point of 'together' and then have none left for the
ever-after portion of our lives.<<<

You know that is exactly what I started to ask myself, too. Maybe it would
be
interesting to ask how many of the "fourth-season-lovers" are married for a
long
time (I'm married for almost eight years) or if they're not, if they dream
about
the "life after the wedding" rather than about the "way to get to this
point"?

For me Lois & Clark was mostly about them to be *together* and since they
weren't
together in first season and half of second season, I didn't relate so much
to
the characters as I did in the later seasons.  Of course I watched the
series
even then and I still like watching those eps sometimes, but my amusement
about
"Lois out of control" or "Charly King the jerk" (I admit it, I found him
amusing,
even if it was *not* Clark) is nothing compared to the magic I feel when I
watch
the later epsiodes.

Margret wrote about the "empty feeling" she often had when she watched a
fourth
time episode. Well, I know this "empty feeling" you had. I had it very often
when
I watched episodes like "Smart kids", "Illusions of Grandeur", "The source",
"Operation blackout" to name a few. For some time in early second season I
got so
impatient with the series! It was like they decided that it would be a good
way
to stretch out a real romantic developement of Lois and Clark's realtionship
by
showing us a fairly romantic ending with Clark one episode and then one with
Superman the next episode. It was like: "There you go, here's some romance
for
you and neither of the two guys is making some progress." I felt fooled!

Nicole
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
NKWolke@t-online.de
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On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:58:30 CST Jessi Mounts <jessi914@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

> I *liked* Lex Luthor. [snip]

Yes - Lex was the character I loved to hate. He was an intelligent
villian who managed to fool most of the world into thinking he was a
philanthropist. He had style, panache, no morals whatsoever, and he
could do just about anything he wanted - and that voice...! He was a
superb villian. It was a shame, I thought, that he was over-used in
the first season because it would have been better to have him as an
occasional bad guy in the second season too. Of course, then Lois
couldn't have almost got married to him... but where's the harm in
that?  <g>

Wendy

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On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:31:28 -0500 Margaret Brignell
<brignell@CAPITALNET.COM> wrote:
>
> <g>  No it doesn't trouble me, because when I watch those eps it's as if
> they were only just being aired, and yet I have all of Lois and Clark's
> development still to look forward to.  It feels good to be in at the
> beginning of a beautiful friendship, again and again and again.  (I also
> read favourite books, over and over and over.  It's a way of reliving the
> joy I experienced the first time I read them:)

Yep, Margaret, *definitely* sisters in some earlier life! That's me
too!!

Wendy

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AND... just to remind you that not all FOLCs are based in the USA:
that is 7pm GMT and 8pm CET!

Wendy

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:55:15 EST Crystal Wimmer <JCWimmer@AOL.COM>
wrote:

> In a message dated 3/18/99 12:37:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mr_d8a@YAHOO.COM
> writes:
>
> > In one of the messages about the IRC tutorial, 2:00 was mentioned for
> >  the USA.  We have 4 time zones.  Which one is it going to be ET, CT,
> >  MT, or PT?
> >
>
> Oy... just shoot me...
> 2pm EST, 1pm CT, 12pm MT, and 11am PT.. so that's where mountain time fit
> <bg>... that's what I get for never leaving the West Coast ;)
>
> -Crys-

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Hey Margaret and Wendy,

Now I know why I completely love both of your stories so much.   We all
think alike.  There is nothing better than rereading an old familiar and
well loved story - like I do with both of your works!

Take care,
Irene
><brignell@CAPITALNET.COM> wrote:
>>
>> <g>  No it doesn't trouble me, because when I watch those eps it's as
if
>> they were only just being aired, and yet I have all of Lois and
Clark's
>> development still to look forward to.  It feels good to be in at the
>> beginning of a beautiful friendship, again and again and again.  (I
also
>> read favourite books, over and over and over.  It's a way of reliving
the
>> joy I experienced the first time I read them:)
>
>
>Yep, Margaret, *definitely* sisters in some earlier life! That's me
>too!!
>
>
>Wendy
>
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<<A point on the ratings.  The guy you mentioned is barking up the wrong
tree.
I
think it's always fair to hate any given episode, but to try and pin a
ratings
decline on it never works.

Zoomway>>

A point that was a treatise.

Thank you so much for clarifying a topic which I am admittedly not any kind
of
an expert on and neither are most of the other people who write about it.
Your LnC history posts are always fascinating and informative.

Please, please, keep them up for us newbies.

Charlotte - getting to be less of a newbie but hoping she will never get to
be
so much of an oldie that she stops enjoying all the posts and learning
something new all the time.

LOL  and thanks to everyone on the listserv.
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I am trying to find the address to Sandy Mcdermin's webpage.  I did a
search of her name and only came up with two matches, none of which were
it.  I no it exists, I've been there before.

Thanks in Advance
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In a message dated 3/18/99 4:12:13 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
gwalde14@MINDSPRING.COM writes:

<< Anyway, there were some good things in STP, and we'll probably never know
 what was really going on in the hearts and minds of all involved that led
 to it being the episode that it is, so I guess we'll just have to do as
 Clark asked of Lois in Tempus Fugitive, and let it go. <G>
  >>
I disagree about letting it go since I am enjoying all of the new posts
about
STP.

And it's probably my least liked episode - Why? Because in the end, in this
episode, Lois and Clark weren't acting like the partners, best friends and
lovers they had become after a long, sometimes painful, 3 years.

Charlotte
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Hi Christina

Here's the address for Sandy's page.

www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/

Enjoy!
Irene

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>
>I am trying to find the address to Sandy Mcdermin's webpage.  I did a
>search of her name and only came up with two matches, none of which
were
>it.  I no it exists, I've been there before.
>
>
>Thanks in Advance
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Hey FoLCs!

This is the last reminder you'll get from me about voting (I'll pause a
second while you all cheer <g>).  For all of you fanfic readers who haven't
yet voted for your favorite nominated stories, you only have three days
left!!  Voting closes THIS COMING SUNDAY, March 21st, at midnight EST.

If there are still stories you haven't read, make sure you go to Genevieve's
site, where you can link to all the nominated stories from one convenient
place:
http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Kerths/kerth99.html

Then go to the fanfic archive's ballot to vote:
http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/kerth-vote.htm
Remember, each person is only allowed to submit one ballot, so make sure you
have all your choices made before you go to vote.  With all the terrific
stories nominated this year, I know it's extrememly tough.  But do your
best! <g>

And one last update:  The tally is still *extremely* close in several of the
categories!  In two categories in particular, we have a 4-way tie going, and
in a few of the others,  there is only a vote or two separating the two or
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Remember, ONLY THREE DAYS LEFT!!!  I look forward to seeing your ballots
soon.  And for those of you who have already submitted your votes, THANK
YOU!  Without all of you who voted, and without those FoLCs who've so
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Wow!  I don't know if anyone has written it either, but I'd sure like to
give a shot.  That's a very powerful idea and I think it'd be interesting to
try to write.  So if it's okay with everyone, I'd like to do it :)  Of
course, a lot of different people could take the idea and go different ways
with it, I've always liked to see how different people cover the same idea.

Mandy

>In a message dated 3/18/99 5:22:23 PM EST, rfield@ROANOKE.INFI.NET writes:
>
><<  Came across a fic idea from Gary from about a year ago about PW showing
> CK a newpaper where Claude had died of aids.  Anyone write this?
>  >>
>:: babble mode ON ::  <vbg>
>
>Hey FoLCs,
>
>I do not know if anyone wrote this fic, but I sure would like to know if
>someone did and where I could find it!  I didn't find anything like it on
the
>archive, unless I'm just missing it.  Even better, if it *hasn't* been
written
>yet, I would like to challenge one of you great writers to do so!  ;-)  I
>would love to write it myself if I had the time and concentration to devote
to
>such a project at this time, but unfortunately, I don't.  I'm just afraid
that
>with the high expectations I have for this story, I would disappoint myself
>and others with the finished project considering that I could not devote
all
>the time and effort that it deserves.  This sounds to me like it could be a
>really *great* drama fic.  I don't know that anyone has ever really dealt
with
>the AIDS issue in L&C fic much, but I would really like to see someone
tackle
>it.  I see many incredible possibilities here.  It would be interesting to
see
>Lois dealing with the fear and frustration of going through HIV tests,
etc.,
>with Clark there to comfort her of course.  <G>  I personally would like to
>see it set in either the first or second season, but of course any season
>would do.  :)  Okay, okay, I guess I've rambled on enough about this topic,
>but I'm just having fun imagining all the great possibilities this
storyline
>could have!  I think, if dealt with well, it could be a strong Kerth
contender
>for next year!  Any takers?!?!?  :-)
>
>Genine
>
>:: babble mode OFF ::
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Mandy:  how about co-writing it???
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>> Maybe it would be
interesting to ask how many of the "fourth-season-lovers" are married for=

a long
time (I'm married for almost eight years) <<

Well, I think you might get a higher correlation than with soap-opera
watchers :-)  I'm a big fan of L&C *together* (some first season eps are
still fun to watch, but after I've watched HiM or PML, I have to go watch=
 a
3rd/4th season ep just to reassure myself that it does all come out right=

in the end :) and I've been married nearly eight years, just like you. =

Falling in love with my hubby was a fun, exciting time, and I enjoyed tha=
t
stage while I was there, but I was glad to move on to a more stable,
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re
comfortable <g> -- less insecurity all around.

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On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:42:51 -0500 Pam Jernigan
<jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:

> >> Maybe it would be
> interesting to ask how many of the "fourth-season-lovers" are married for
> a long
> time (I'm married for almost eight years) <<

Well, I've been very happily married for almost six years, and I'm
with Margaret Brignell in relation to my feelings about season 4!

Wendy
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>From: Wendy Richards <ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK>
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>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:57:32 +0000
>
>On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:42:51 -0500 Pam Jernigan
><jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:
>
>> >> Maybe it would be
>> interesting to ask how many of the "fourth-season-lovers" are married
for
>> a long
>> time (I'm married for almost eight years) <<
>
>
>Well, I've been very happily married for almost six years, and I'm
>with Margaret Brignell in relation to my feelings about season 4!
>
>Wendy
>----------------------
>Wendy Richards
>w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
>

I've been married almost 15 years and I don't enjoy the 4th season as
much either.  Maybe the honeymoon was over before it even got started!

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In UW where the Newtrich sister are trying to fry Clark, just as the
counter show his time is up Clark falls backwards and his hands are
free.  Yet in the next few scenes his hands are still tied behind his
back.

I love goofs and blunders. :--))
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At 10:17 AM 3/19/99 PST, irene d wrote:
>>Well, I've been very happily married for almost six years, and I'm
>>with Margaret Brignell in relation to my feelings about season 4!

I don't think we can really correlate marriage specifically as a
situational factor for this particular emotional mindset.  There are simply
too many variables involved.  While it's true that marriage is potentially
one of any number of contributing factors to the ideal, it -- in and of
itself -- cannot assume responsibility.  Personally, I'm not married, but I
certainly enjoyed Lois & Clark throughout each and every season. :)

I think the answer we're seeking is a lot more ambiguous than singling out
one causal factor, and certainly I believe figuring out the magic secret
here would involve a lot more of a personal 'wish-fulfillment' kind of
introspection. ;)

That said, I'd like everyone to go pick a flower and repeat after me:
"How do I love thee? Let me count the ways..."

LOL, Take Care All..

Demi
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Hey Folcs :-)
I asked:
>>> Maybe it would be interesting to ask how many of the
"fourth-season-lovers"
are married for a long time (I'm married for almost eight years) <<<

and Wendy (and if I remember right Irene, too) answered:
> Well, I've been very happily married for almost six years, and I'm
> with Margaret Brignell in relation to my feelings about season 4!

Well, to say it with Margret, here goes another theory <g>. Obviously it's
neither the soap-opera nor the marriage...

BTW, what I meant by my marriage-theory wasn't that non married people
couldn't
enjoy the later seasons and als the other way round, married people couldn't
enjoy the earlier seasons. To be honest, I don't even know what I meant
myself
<g>. Maybe it was more a feeling, that I'm a member of a certain group of
people
for which this series was "just perfect". And one of the main reasons for it
was
the (in my eyes) positive description of a relationship and a marriage.

I don't know, maybe I don't watch enough television, but *my* impression is
that
there really are no other "positively married couples" on TV except Lois and
Clark. The only fairly positive images that come to my mind are sitcoms like
"Mad
about you". At least Paul and Jamie seem to be pretty happy with each other,
even if they don't fit in the same category like Lois and Clark. The other
married couples on TV are either desillusioned, old, stressed out, fighting
or
constantly having affairs, like in soap operas.

There *are* sometimes people who actually seem to be happy in their
relationship,
but of course those people are only side-characters for their struggling
kids on
*their* way through the trials of finding true love. Or even worse, they are
so
noble and so "productive" that they have at least 100 wonderful kids and
sorry,
but I can't really realte to that kind of realtionship either.

On the other hand, there're are lot couples that are on their way to "being
in
love". Moonlightning, Silk Stalking, Tropical Heat and even the X-files are
only
a few examples (actually the only shows I know the original titles and not
just
the german one <g>). Obviously this kind of story is very popular and
please, I
don't mean it as an offense to the people who love these shows when I say: I
can't see any more of this stuff.

I may be in the minority, but I always wanted to see a happily married
couple on
TV without necessarily 10 happy kids and four also happy dogs running around
them. For me the oh-so-praised sexual tension is highly overated, even if
the chemistry between the two leading actors is as visible as in Lois &
Clark.
That tension can become a dead bore, when I get it served in every second
new
TV-Show on the market. I was always on the search for *my* TV Show? The Show
that
I knew had to exist, somewhere inbetween "Moonlighting" and "The Waltons"?

I'm so happy, I found it!!

BTW I think it all comes down to different "taste" and that is something
that
can't be discussed. You hate it or you love it, it's a given and no other
opinion
will ever change it. Some people were happy during first season and others
were
happy during fourth season. C'est la vie :)

take care
Nicole

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I think it'd be great if you would write it Mandy!  :)  In contradiction to
my
original post, I have decided that I will probably take a shot at it as
well.
This topic just has really inspired me for some strange reason, and I would
like to try and make it work.  I've already basically written the whole
thing
in my head, now I just have to type it all out and pay attention to detail!
<g>  My story will probably be slow in progressing however, since I have so
little time at the moment to devote, but I hope to finish it someday.  ;-)
I
also intend to do a lot of research for this story, another reason why it
will
take me a while.  I am sure that both of our stories will end up turning out
very different however, since there are so many different paths this topic
can
take, so my guess it is it would be fine for more than one person to use the
same idea ... like you said.  I hope that you do decide to work on this
project Mandy, just be sure to let us know when it's finished and I will be
sure to do the same!  Take care FoLCs!  =o)

Genine

In a message dated 3/19/99 11:37:49 AM EST, mandyc@LCC.NET writes:

<< Wow!  I don't know if anyone has written it either, but I'd sure like to
 give a shot.  That's a very powerful idea and I think it'd be interesting
to
 try to write.  So if it's okay with everyone, I'd like to do it :)  Of
 course, a lot of different people could take the idea and go different ways
 with it, I've always liked to see how different people cover the same idea.

 Mandy

 >In a message dated 3/18/99 5:22:23 PM EST, rfield@ROANOKE.INFI.NET writes:
 >
 ><<  Came across a fic idea from Gary from about a year ago about PW
showing
 > CK a newpaper where Claude had died of aids.  Anyone write this?
 >  >>
 >:: babble mode ON ::  <vbg>
 >
 >Hey FoLCs,
 >
 >I do not know if anyone wrote this fic, but I sure would like to know if
 >someone did and where I could find it!  I didn't find anything like it on
 the
 >archive, unless I'm just missing it.  Even better, if it *hasn't* been
 written
 >yet, I would like to challenge one of you great writers to do so!  ;-)  I
 >would love to write it myself if I had the time and concentration to
devote
 to
 >such a project at this time, but unfortunately, I don't.  I'm just afraid
 that
 >with the high expectations I have for this story, I would disappoint
myself
 >and others with the finished project considering that I could not devote
 all
 >the time and effort that it deserves.  This sounds to me like it could be
a
 >really *great* drama fic.  I don't know that anyone has ever really dealt
 with
 >the AIDS issue in L&C fic much, but I would really like to see someone
 tackle
 >it.  I see many incredible possibilities here.  It would be interesting to
 see
 >Lois dealing with the fear and frustration of going through HIV tests,
 etc.,
 >with Clark there to comfort her of course.  <G>  I personally would like
to
 >see it set in either the first or second season, but of course any season
 >would do.  :)  Okay, okay, I guess I've rambled on enough about this
topic,
 >but I'm just having fun imagining all the great possibilities this
 storyline
 >could have!  I think, if dealt with well, it could be a strong Kerth
 contender
 >for next year!  Any takers?!?!?  :-)
 >
 >Genine
 >
 >:: babble mode OFF :: >>
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I'm looking for proper spelling of Dr. Vita Dootson's (sp?) name in this
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Thanks for the help.
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Hi everyone <g>

Because real life (work, school, etc.) has this annoying tendency of getting
in the way, the IRC RR usual suspects have decided to take a spring break
until the weekend after the Kerth awards ;).  As a result there will be no
writing session until Saturday, April 3, 1999.

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In a message dated 99-03-19 18:44:11 EST, SuperGem4@AOL.COM writes:

<<  I've already basically written the whole thing
 in my head, now I just have to type it all out and pay attention to
detail!>>

Well, this is the hard part I guess. It's the details of writing a story
that
keeps me being more an avid fanfic reader rather than a writer. ;)

--Laurie
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Mandy & Genine -

Would you mind if I take a crack at this idea as well?  It's been on my mind
since I read the first post.  I'm also pretty busy, so my version of the
story
might be a while in coming - I'll try not to read yours first! <g>

Piper
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    This is a short fanfiction that I thought would be interesting to =
post. I'm going to warn you, nothing is sacred. This idea was given to =
me by two of my best friends, Amber and Becky. I hope you enjoy it!
The Absent-Minded Superhero
Misty Ellison
supergirl28@worldnet.att.net

It was morning in the Kent household. Lois and Clark were in the =
kitchen.

"Clark, where are you?" Lois asked Clark with a hint of panic in her =
voice.

"Right here honey. " Clark put on his glasses and Lois sighed with =
relief.

"Clark, quit scaring me like that."

'I thought you were used to seeing me without glasses."

"I am.  At least, I think I am."

Clark smiled at her and went to the fridge to get some orange juice.

Lois looked over at him and told him that his cape was sticking out of =
his pants.

He tucked the cape in and then realized he had his red boots on. He =
supersped upstairs and put the right shoes on then supersped back down.

He saw Lois sitting at the kitchen table and immediately wished that =
they didn't have to go to work that morning. He began staring at her and =
eventually, she felt his eyes on her.

"What are you looking at?" she asked with a teasing smile.

"You." Clark stepped closer and then yelled "DUCK!"

Flames of desire burst from his hands and eyes and Lois ducked just in =
time. She crawled from under the kitchen table and headed towards the =
fire extinguisher. She sprayed the flames and they subsided. After the =
flames were gone, Clark would not look at Lois for anything.

"Clark, honey, you can look at me. But insurance won't cover everything =
when you look at me like that."

"Sorry. I guess you just light me on fire, honey."

Lois slapped him in the head. Hard.

The End

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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic">This is a short =

    fanfiction that I thought would be interesting to post. I'm going to =
warn=20
    you, nothing is sacred. This idea was given to me by two of my best =
friends,=20
    Amber and Becky. I hope you enjoy it!</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
    face=3D"Century Gothic"></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>The Absent-Minded =
Superhero</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>Misty Ellison</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:supergirl28@worldnet.att.net">supergirl28@worldnet.att.net=
</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>It was morning in the Kent =
household.=20
Lois and Clark were in the kitchen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>&quot;Clark, where are =
you?&quot; Lois=20
asked Clark with a hint of panic in her voice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>&quot;Right here honey. =
&quot; Clark put=20
on his glasses and Lois sighed with relief.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>&quot;Clark, quit scaring me =
like=20
that.&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>'I thought you were used to =
seeing me=20
without glasses.&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>&quot;I am.&nbsp; At least, =
I think I=20
am.&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>Clark smiled at her and went =
to the=20
fridge to get some orange juice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>Lois looked over at him and =
told him=20
that his cape was sticking out of his pants.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>He tucked the cape in and =
then realized=20
he had his red boots on. He supersped upstairs and put the right shoes =
on then=20
supersped back down.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>He saw Lois sitting at the =
kitchen table=20
and immediately wished that they didn't have to go to work that morning. =
He=20
began staring at her and eventually, she felt his eyes on =
her.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>&quot;What are you looking =
at?&quot; she=20
asked with a teasing smile.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>&quot;You.&quot; Clark =
stepped closer=20
and then yelled &quot;DUCK!&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>Flames of desire burst from =
his hands=20
and eyes and Lois ducked just in time. </FONT><FONT face=3D"Century =
Gothic"=20
size=3D2>She crawled from under the kitchen table and headed towards the =
fire=20
extinguisher. She sprayed the flames and they subsided. After the flames =
were=20
gone, Clark would not look at Lois for anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>&quot;Clark, honey, you can =
look at me.=20
But insurance won't cover everything when you look at me like=20
that.&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>&quot;Sorry. I guess you =
just light me=20
on fire, honey.&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>Lois slapped him in the =
head.=20
Hard.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2>The End</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Rich & Dawn wrote:
>
>
> 1 - Does anyone know what has happened to the Krypton Club and the Short
> Stories they use to do?  The webpage address I have doesn't work.

Their most recent newsletters are available on the web at
<http://members.aol.com/craigbyrne/archives.htm>.  I don't know if their
short stories are there.  The interviews they did years ago with Brad
Buckner and K Callan, as well as comic book creators like Mike Carlin,
John Byrne and Roger Stern are available at the Superman Homepage
<http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/7771/>.  Go to the Lois and Clark
section.

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In a message dated 3/19/99 9:13:38 PM EST, PJPiasecki@AOL.COM writes:

<< Mandy & Genine -

 Would you mind if I take a crack at this idea as well?  It's been on my
mind
 since I read the first post.  I'm also pretty busy, so my version of the
story
 might be a while in coming - I'll try not to read yours first! <g>

 Piper
  >>

Piper,

Sure, go ahead!  It's fine by me, but of course I can't tell you what you
can
or cannot do.  :)  Still I say the more the merrier!  Like Mandy said, and I
agree, it will be quite interesting to see how the different versions turn
out!  I've already started the actual writing of mine, so far it's turning
out
good, I think.  Starting is always the hardest, but once I get going,
stopping
will be the problem!  <bg>  This is gonna be great, can't wait to read all
of
the finished products!  I will not read anyone else's before mine is
finished
and submitted either, that way there will be no outside influences ... it'll
be more original and fun that way.  ;-)  Okay, I'm going back to writing now
... TTFN!

Genine
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At 05:57 PM 3/19/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:42:51 -0500 Pam Jernigan
><jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:
>> >> Maybe it would be
>> interesting to ask how many of the "fourth-season-lovers" are married for
>> a long
>> time (I'm married for almost eight years) <<
>Well, I've been very happily married for almost six years, and I'm
>with Margaret Brignell in relation to my feelings about season 4!
>
>Wendy
>----------------------

I've been *very* happily married for almost nineteen years (19 next
month:).  And, I'm pretty sure everyone knows how I felt about season 4<g>

I *did* want to see "LoisandClark: the couple".  I just don't think it
happened in season 4.

Perhaps, deep down, most of the FoLC didn't either.  Why else were there so
many fifth season versions to "correct" what went wrong?

Margaret

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At 07:06 PM 3/18/1999 -0500, Demona wrote:
>First of all, I found your post very insightful Margaret.  And while I am
>in the "everyone" category you mentioned earlier, I also appreciate your
>honesty in this.

That's good to know:)  I avoid people who can't be honest with me, or I
with them.

>For example, for many (the "everyone" you mention in your post), Lois &
>Clark was a romantic journey, very much about the two of them forging a
>path *together*.  The 'magic' you referred to earlier, of the first, second
>and third seasons, would then have been an ongoing process which built the
>foundation of their marriage in the fourth season, and in doing so, also
>changed their characters -- forcing them to grow along with their
>perspectives on a shared life, as opposed to one spent in the *pursuit* of
>a shared life. ;)

That's just it.  I didn't see the growth once they were together.  I wanted
that growth, I just didn't see it happening;\

>That character growth upset a certain set of the fandom who were very
>excited about desperately holding onto (forever) what was ultimately Lois
>Lane's 'dark-insecure-side'.

I saw this as a starting point for Lois.  You have to start somewhere<g>

<snip>
>To me, the series was *about* change -- about 'fitting in' what it meant to
>be different, and to have the ability to make that difference count.

I totally agree with this last sentence.

<snip>
>The primary difference between what was controversially argued over
>concerning seasons 1/2 and then 3/4 was, to my mind, most definitely rooted
>in the way that each individual FoLC looked at the concept of 'together'
>and of marriage in general.  IMHO, far too many people believe that we have
>all of our 'fun' getting *to* the point of 'together' and then have none
>left for the ever-after portion of our lives.

That's *not* where I'm coming from.  I saw the first 2.5 seasons as the
beginning of the story, the build-up to a promise of a great future
("Utopia"?) for Lois and Clark.  I thought of their wedding as the climax
to their early relationship and the signal for a new beginning...the
beginning of LoisandClark.  (Me, I *like* beginnings<g>)  I wanted this new
entity (LoisandClark: the couple) to begin their new life--to grow and
develop and become everything they were meant to be.

Unfortunately, TPTB muffed the climax to the first part of their story and
somehow managed to miss the boat getting them to their new beginning.

For me, there was no LoisandClark in season 4.  There was Lois, and there
was Clark, but they hardly ever managed to be in the same
body/room/dimension for long enough to have a fighting chance at becoming
LoisandClark.

<snip>
><<<still waiting for someone to give her a good example of L&C character
>development in season 4.>>>
>Well there were a great many which I found.  However, they weren't the kind
>of epiphany moment which wrote 'and the moral is...' across our TV screens,
>they were inferred and very much rooted into the relationship aspect of
>both characters.  Certainly there were moments of equal (or even greater)
>calibur to IGACOY (which you also mentioned).

But not in the context of character development<g>  I was referring to the
continued, positive growth of the relationship from episode to episode
(mostly in season 2 and early 3).

>I'll give you perhaps one of the larger examples right now.  In the
>TPvsLL/DLW story arc, Superman breaks Lois Lane out of jail.  He BREAKS THE
>LAW! ;)
<snip>
> Tell me that wasn't a 'good
>example of character development'?  Because if so, then I don't know what
>is. ;)

Obviously, I didn't make myself clear.  I was looking for:
        *positive* growth in the characters
        growth of LoisandClark as a couple.

Somehow, for me, having Superman discover his dark side, doesn't really
qualify as *good* character development.  (Besides, he'd already gone
through this particular dilemma in ATAI when he robbed the jewellery
store.)  To me, Clark would *never* have robbed a jewellery store, or
broken the law in any other way, so for me this portrayal was character
assassination, not character development.  (Even Charlie King didn't break
the law!)

> The fact that Lois & Clark found answers to those questions as a
>united force

Okay, this is where you lose me.  I do not remember any instances in season
4 when Lois and Clark worked as a united force.  Either Lois was reading
Clark the riot act, or Clark wasn't there so Lois made the decision on her
own, or Clark made the decision on his own (and *then* Lois read him the
riot act<g>), but at no time did I see them finding the answers together.

On the other hand, I only just recently figured out that they were actually
married for more than the half dozen eps I thought they were, so I'm
willing to admit I might have missed a clue, or two<g>

This is where I need help.  I need someone who loved season 4 to show me
where those *positive* growth examples are, over a series of
episodes--examples that show how Lois and Clark slowly became LoisandClark
in season 4.  Because, to be honest, *I* sure as heck didn't see any
progression of Lois and Clark to become LoisandClark.

I don't think what *I* wanted from the post-wedding L&C is that much
different than the people who loved season 4.  What I don't understand is
why I didn't see what I wanted, but others did.

It's a puzzlement;\

Margaret

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At 05:28 AM 3/19/1999 PST, Irene D wrote:
>Hey Margaret and Wendy,
>
>Now I know why I completely love both of your stories so much.   We all
>think alike.  There is nothing better than rereading an old familiar and
>well loved story - like I do with both of your works!

Thank you.  I appreciate that:)

Margaret
Wendy's "sister" in another dimension;)
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Does anyone know why Ching and Zara weren't affected by the Kryptonite
force field they used to test Clark?
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Does any one have an explanation of what made Wayne Iraq(?) keep his mouth
shut about Clark being
Superman in TGGGOH?  He had to be totally deaf not be here Clark talking to
his parents "Superman's back>"
and Trask loud conversation.  Maybe I missed something!!!! You think?
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As I read through my latest copy of Writer's Digest, I came across an
article that discussed the trend toward using characters and narrative in
nonfiction writing as opposed to sources and quotes.  It immediately
reminded me of the difference between Clark's and Lois's writing styles:

"Most journalistically trained nonfiction writers don't think of a story as
a narrative, a told told about people and what happens to them. These
writers think . . . that a story is the sum of compiled information put in a
coherent order.  When you approach a piece of writing this way, there are no
characters.  There is no character development.  There are no
value-revealing details. . . .  I was so busy asking questions, so busy
geting 'good quotes' that I never focused on who it was sitting across the
table from me.  Of course, I looked up long enough to notice a few things so
I could toss in an adjective or two when I got back to my computer."

That struck me as Lois all the way.  Then for Clark's approach:

". . . people in stories can be characters instead of mouthpieces . . . the
way to explore personality and temperament, ego and individuality often lay
not in the artificiality of the interview and its byproduct, the quote, but
somewhere else . . ." and ". . . spend time with the people in your story,
not just to ask them questions but to find out who they are by observing the
details of their lives."

I pictured Lois and Clark in the Pilot:  Lois agressively asking questions,
looking for quotes, while Clark tagged along, looking at their sources'
surroundings, listening to the actress on the stage.  I just thought it nice
that the writers managed to get those details right, that the
information-gathering techniques we saw did in fact match their stated
writing styles.

Sheila
(stalling again, but I seem to emerge from these short detours ready to
write another scene, so I guess it isn't all bad)
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At 10:06 PM 3/19/99 -0500, Margaret Brignell wrote:
>I *did* want to see "LoisandClark: the couple".  I just don't think it
>happened in season 4.
>
>Perhaps, deep down, most of the FoLC didn't either.  Why else were there so
>many fifth season versions to "correct" what went wrong?

Sorry, Margaret, you're off-base there.  I wrote for both complete fifth
seasons, and I certainly didn't do so to "correct" what had gone wrong in
season 4, but to continue what I had seen as something right.  If I had felt
there was something to correct, I would have chosen Debby Stark's route with
the non-wedding arc and rewritten the fourth season.

I recognize that you were disappointed by season 4 and didn't see L&C
developing as a couple.  I don't understand how you could feel that way, but
I recognize and acknowledge that you do.  Please recognize also that many,
many FoLC enjoyed season 4, however incomprehensible that may seem from your
perspective.  There was no "deep-down" dissatisfaction, lurking but
unacknowledged.  I--and most of my friends--simply enjoyed the season as a
culmination of all that we had hoped for with L&C.

I take that back.  Not *all.*  The culmination should have included L&C
starting a family, something the series writers had planned for the fifth
season anyway, which is why both TUFS and S5 ended with the birth of L&C's
baby.  For me, it was very satisfying to be involved in both of those fifth
seasons, if only to ensure that L&C's "official" story was wrapped up the
way I had always hoped it would be.

I'm saving your other post (the one requesting examples of L&C's development
of a couple) for after I finish my present story, when I can take the time
to go through the episodes again and give you scene by scene examples.  But
that'll be at least two months down the road, and even then, I doubt you'll
find my examples convincing.  I can see that we come to L&C with entirely
different expectations and tastes, which is what I think this whole seasons
1/2 vs seasons 3/4 debate boils down to.

Sheila
(My husband tries to convince me that beer and wine taste good, too, but I
can't see how *any*one could put something in their mouth that smells that
disgusting.  Of course, I know some people who gag at the thought of
actually eating a Cadbury Cream Egg, too.  It's all a matter of taste. :)
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Hey Folcs :-)

>>> I *did* want to see "LoisandClark: the couple".  I just don't think it
happened in season 4. Perhaps, deep down, most of the FoLC didn't either.
Why
else were there so many fifth season versions to "correct" what went
wrong?<<<

See, that is what I meant when I wrote about discussions about taste.
They're
totally fruitless and they lead to nothing. That you and obviously many
other
Folcs didn't see 'the couple Lois and Clark' in fourth season, doesn't mean
they
weren't there and that other Fans couldn't find what they were looking for.
It's
just a matter of taste. I know what I feel about season 4, even "deep down".
I
loved it, sorry to say, but I loved it.

Hey, and we should ask the writers of "season 5" or "TUFS" if they wrote
their
stories to "correct what went wrong". I don't believe that that is true!

Nicole
AKA CKgroupie on IRC
NKWolke@t-online.de
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In a message dated 3/19/99 10:19:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
forum101@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Does anyone know why Ching and Zara weren't affected by the Kryptonite
 force field they used to test Clark? >>

Zara wasn't affected because she didn't get close enough to it to be
affected.
She stayed at the other side of the patio.  Ching, on the  other hand, was
affected by it.  If you recall, he wound up writhing on the ground along
with
Clark, and just barely managed to touch the button to turn it off.  He was
less affected than Clark was because Ching didn't physically touch the force
field as Clark did when he dove through it to stop Ching from shooting
himself.

Hope this helps.

Ann
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Margaret wrote:

>Because, to be honest, *I* sure as heck didn't see any
>progression of Lois and Clark to become LoisandClark.
>

I'm sure you're going to get a lot of replies on this one, and I hate
repeating other people's stuff, so I apologize in advance if I do. :)

I'm genuinely at a loss myself in how to continue this discussion, because
the very thing you say was missing in fourth season is pretty much a fair
description of how I saw the entire run of the show.  They were always (to
*me* - got to keep emphasizing this is how *I* see it) on a journey toward
becoming this unit you describe.  From the pilot to Family Hour, the
direction was one-way - they hit speed bumps and passed milestones of all
kinds, some huge enough that they may have seemed like signals in a change
in direction, but I think not.  And by the time of the conference room
scene in FH, or the one where Lois offers her suggestion to how they can
"conceive by inconceivable means" they appear to have arrived.

They certainly never achieved perfect one-ness all the time - I don't think
that's humanly or super-humanly ;) possible, and not the ultimate goal of
this story, anyway. Still, I see them in every season learning to respect
and appreciate the complementary aspects of their personalities, loving and
supporting each other while never giving up the things that make them
unique individuals.  And that continued after they were married. It's also
true that the show operated pretty much in real time.  During the Lex Files
trilogy, Lois tells Leslie that they don't have children yet, they've only
been married a few months. A lot of the formation of their couplehood (is
that a word? <g>) was done before they got married, but they were at a new
level now, and you've got to admit, a few months isn't very long to adjust
to it.

But having said that, I see exactly the things you say weren't there in
practically every B plot of the fourth season. I can't quote dialogue and
summarize actions as well as some on this list, but I don't think it would
matter if I could.  If you genuinely didn't see a real couple in those
episodes, nothing I could say would make a difference, because I saw almost
nothing but.

DLW is one of my favorite examples of the kind of thing I mean, but I guess
that doesn't work either, if you don't believe that Clark would do illegal
things if he thought it best. They were dealing with a bizarro situation
(but that's the nature of the show) but they were handling it together,
though still in their own individual ways:

"That lunatic?"
"Well, what did you want me to say: Lighten up, Officer, I'm *married* to
that lunatic."
"Well, I maybe I am a lunatic, but I'm *your* lunatic."
"You know that's what I think, honey."

BY is about the most perfectly structured episode of the season with
dialogue that explicitly states where they are emotionally.

"Well, you know I love it, but is it you?"
"Me? No ... it's us."

And S,L,V has the most adult resolution of any of the shows (and I'm not
talking about sex <g>) because it acknowledges that compromise and a loss
of innocence is a part of life, and that at least in this version of the
Superman story, Clark Kent is not unaffected by that.  (It's also true, I
believe, that the introduction of real sexuality and romantic love and
marriage into the Superman story does lead to other shifts in the way the
character is written, so it's particularly fitting that this episode is the
one that demonstrates that theme so well.  It's an interesting
philosophical discussion, but not for here or now. :))

I don't know, I seem to have drifted from my point - I do that :) but I
would like to know if there was anything in the preceding seasons that
implied that your kind of couple, as opposed to the one we got, was going
to be forthcoming. As I and others have said, ad nauseum ;), we found
virtually everything foreshadowed in first season (the pilot, NB, SV,
GGGoH, ASU, HiM, MoSB) coming to fruition in the later seasons.  It was
more than enough for me.

Georgia

P.S. On the matter of fanfic - I categorically reject*for myself* the
notion that fanfic is for correcting things. I understood the various
"seasons" that got produced to be in response to the loss of the real one
that was promised. The only time I've been moved to write fanfic was to tie
off the loose ends of the AltClark story - but if the show had done it, I
would happily have accepted their version. The same goes for the baby.
Filling in gaps is one thing, but I just can't do the total reconstruction
of stories, or even occasional character lapses, as much as I'd like to
sometimes. ;) If there was some way to undo BatP/HoL ... <g>
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In a message dated 3/19/99 10:36:24 PM CST, d.arendt@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
writes:

<< Does any one have an explanation of what made Wayne Iraq(?) keep his
mouth
shut about Clark being
 Superman in TGGGOH?  He had to be totally deaf not be here Clark talking to
his parents "Superman's back>"
 and Trask loud conversation.  Maybe I missed something!!!! You think? >>

Sure - Wayne didn't say anything because he's known about Clark since he was
a
boy.  Just never said anything because it was none of his business.

Piper
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Many thanks to Kathy Brown for pointing me in the direction of the =
fanfic listserv archive and all I can say is - Wow!

I hadn't realised what a lot of stuff there is to read there and I am =
steadily working my way through, starting from the latest week.

I have found a real gem by Tanya Walsh called An alternate beginning =
which she say is going to eb a series of stories.  They are quite =
different in that Clark is from the Planet Krypton but doesn't know it =
and he hasn't any of the traditional superpowers usually associated with =
the Superman legend.

I enjoyed them enormously as I like stories that are a bit different =
than the normal genre of stories dealing with Lois and Clark and I would =
recommend them to those of you who also like soemthing a bit out of the =
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I think that Wayne Irig was just being the really good friend of the family
that
he has been for years.
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This may be a little off-topic but a few weeks ago, I downloaded some
L&C thing from the internet.  I didn't really realize what it was until
I had done it, and it is sort of hard to explain.  Basically, when I
start-up and shut-down my computer, pictures of Lois and Clark show up
as part of the start-up/shut-down sequence.  Anyway, I think this may be
slowing my computer down a bit (could it be some sort of virus or worm?)
and I am wondering if any other FoLCs have encountered this problem and
if they know how to get rid of it!  I have looked for it in every
'virtual' corner of my computer and haven't found it.  So, if anyone out
there had to deal with this too, or knows what I'm talking about, let me
know!!!  Thanks!!

Starfire

P.S.--The shut-down picture is of L&C at their first non-wedding (the
clone one) and the start-up picture is a collage of various moments in
L&C history.
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Subject: L&C Downloads
Starfire wrote :

>This may be a little off-topic but a few weeks ago, I downloaded some
>L&C thing from the internet.  I didn't really realize what it was until
>I had done it, and it is sort of hard to explain.  Basically, when I
>start-up and shut-down my computer, pictures of Lois and Clark show up
>as part of the start-up/shut-down sequence.

The same thing happened to me when I downloaded some L&C things from the
net.  I am afraid to say that I really don't know how I got them and they
disappeared from my PC one day as quickly as they had come - weird eh?

I would be grateful if any of you FOLCs out there can shed some light on
this - not that I mind piccis of L&C but I just wish I knew where to get
them back from!

Regards
Eileen B
eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk

PS In my last mail message entitled An Alternative Beginning - I must
apologise for the spelling mistakes - I have had a bad arm and am using one
finger of my left hand (I am right handed), so please bear with me for a
while.
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Date: 20 March 1999 09:22
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>I think that Wayne Irig was just being the really good friend of the family
that
>he has been for years.
>

I agree - I think I like the idea that Wayne Irig has known Clark for all
his life on earth and probably does know his secret.  In my experience
country folk are usually from tight communities and are very reluctant to
talk to strangers, let alone confide in them.  I personally have always
believed that others must have guessed his secret and are keeping quiet out
of respect for him.  In the series and a lot of fanfiction, we only get to
hear about the villains that know don't we?

What do you other FOLC think?

Regards
Eileen B
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In a message dated 99-03-20 13:01:56 EST, you write:

<< I would be grateful if any of you FOLCs out there can shed some light on
 this - not that I mind piccis of L&C but I just wish I knew where to get
 them back from!
  >>
You might try Erin Klinger's site....she has a desktop theme available for
downloading.  I had the same problems with slowing down my 486, but a newer
faster computer might handle it a bit better.

http://www.ida.net/users/davek/

Kate
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I think it is highly likely that Wayne Irig had somehow known about Clark
all
along, but said nothing for all the reasons others have state.  Remember
when
Trask was amazed that he had broken Wayne's fingers among other tortures and
he still had said nothing?  Also, why else did he take the kryptonite to the
Kent's in the first place?

Ann
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>Mandy & Genine -
>
>Would you mind if I take a crack at this idea as well?  It's been on my
mind
>since I read the first post.  I'm also pretty busy, so my version of the
story
>might be a while in coming - I'll try not to read yours first! <g>
>
>Piper

Go right ahead!  I'd love to see how all these pan out!  I've got a partner
(Joy) that I'm working with on it and it'll be a while before ours is
finished because I'm trying to finish up my 'Worlds' series (for all those
interested I'm not far from being through with Book 2) but I'll not read
anybody else's version until mine's finished I promise! :)

Mandy
Who's very excited about one idea sparking so much interest! ;)
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Good afternoon everyone.  Mandy, I've gotten through like 8 pages or so now.
I'll send it to you privately.  Let me know what you think.  I'll be here a
while.  JOY:)
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
Subject:      Fifth season "corrections" (was Re: Why *do* we like, or
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At 11:36 AM +0100 3/20/99, NKWolke wrote:
>Hey, and we should ask the writers of "season 5" or "TUFS" if they wrote
their
>stories to "correct what went wrong". I don't believe that that is true!

I can't speak for TUFS, but as a very active member of S5 and the
coordinator of S6, I can say most assuredly that S5/6 were not intended to
fix anything that was wrong with L&C relationship.  The only thing we
definitely wanted to fix was ABC's decision to cancel the show. :)

Now, were there things we wanted to see in S5/6 that we didn't get to see
on the show?  Absolutely.  We wanted to see Lois and Clark realize their
dream of having a child (their child, not adopting the baby that
materialized in their dining room).  We also wanted to bring Lex back so
that his conflict with L&C could be resolved once and for all. (Or at least
those of us on S6 do ... I can't speak for Leanne since she loves Lex and
very well may have wanted to him to live forever. ;))  And I won't claim
that each individual author didn't have an agenda of what they wanted to
see when they signed on to write.

But I can say that, as an overall effort, S5/6 is simply our wish for the
*continuation* that could and should have happened were ABC to honor their
end of the renewal deal.  In fact, the vast majority of us on S6 loved
Season 4.

Kathy (who does admit to one correction, but it was an S3 error, not an S4
-- most of us on S6 hated that Clark never beat Lex in the "argh"; Lex
willingly gave Lois up to save her, which made him the hero.  Stay tuned to
S6 to see if we ... correct that. ;))

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>As I read through my latest copy of Writer's Digest, I came across an
>article that discussed the trend toward using characters and narrative
in
>nonfiction writing as opposed to sources and quotes.  It immediately
>reminded me of the difference between Clark's and Lois's writing
styles:
>
You get Writer's Digest too? Thanks for your little post about the
differing styles. I agree with you completely. I am now rereading that
section with a different viewpoint. Isn't it incredible how Lois and
Clark seem to infiltrate every aspect of life? It's kind of scary in a
way, but I can't help loving it. :)

>Sheila
>(stalling again, but I seem to emerge from these short detours ready to
>write another scene, so I guess it isn't all bad)
>
I do the same thing :) I think it's a unique way of overcoming writer's
blcok.

Rachel
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Hi everyone.  Does anyone have any suggestions for Claude's last name?
Someone
had a fanfic idea on the afolcslife list, and I'm co-writing a fanfic for
that
reason.  Please, any idea would be good.  You can send it to the list, or to
me
privately.  So far, as a default, I'm using Claude LeShmuck.  I figured that
he
was a shmuck for totally dissing Lois, and the "Le" adds a French flair.  i
had
five years of Spanish, but no French, so I'm at a loss as to what is
politically
correct.  Thanks!!  JOY:)
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Hi everyone  :)

I'm just popping my head up (I'm completely buried under last minute Kerth
ballot submissions  :P) to answer this question:

>Subject: L&C Downloads
>Starfire wrote :
>
>
>>This may be a little off-topic but a few weeks ago, I downloaded some
>>L&C thing from the internet.  I didn't really realize what it was until
>>I had done it, and it is sort of hard to explain.  Basically, when I
>>start-up and shut-down my computer, pictures of Lois and Clark show up
>>as part of the start-up/shut-down sequence.

These graphics sound like they are the ones from my Lois & Clark desktop
theme.  For all of you who WANT to install the graphics, not take them off
<g>, the LNC desktop theme and waving cape screensaver are available at my
website:   http://www.ida.net/users/davek   But for Starlite and those of
you who may want to take them OFF your computer, here's how:

Here's the easy way.  (Now this may only work for Windows users...I'm not
sure if other systems are set up the same way, but you know your systems
better than I do <g>)  To take off the shut down wedding picture and the
ending golden shield, go to your start button, go to "Find", then to "Files
or Folders", then search for those above file names:  logow.sys and
logos.sys.    Then highlight them and hit delete from the Find window.

Also, to kill the opening collage, do the same "Find" thing as above, except
search for:  logo.sys      Then highlight it and delete it.

Voila!  You're done.  :)  I hope this helps!

Back to counting votes....

Erin  :)
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Joy wrote:

So far, as a default, I'm using Claude LeShmuck.  I figured that he
>was a shmuck for totally dissing Lois, and the "Le" adds a French flair.  i
had
>five years of Spanish, but no French, so I'm at a loss as to what is
politically
>correct.  Thanks!!  JOY:)

Good Grief, Joy - that never occurred to me! In the nfic I'm just about
finishing off at the moment (if Lois and Clark will start *co-operating*,
darn it, in my final scene and stop messing about....) I've called him
Claude Rochert. No reason - it just typed itself in there without me
thinking about it, like most of my original character names do. I never for
one moment considered that might actually mean something in French! Or even
something risque!

LabRat (now off searching for that French dictionary she hasn't seen since
she visited Monaco for the Grand Prix three years ago......)

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PS - I like LeSchmuck. Reminds me of Peppie Le Phew..... <bg>
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At 11:36 PM 3/19/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Does any one have an explanation of what made Wayne Iraq(?) keep his mouth
shut about Clark being
>Superman in TGGGOH?  He had to be totally deaf not be here Clark talking
to his parents "Superman's back>"
>and Trask loud conversation.  Maybe I missed something!!!! You think?

Maybe Wayne, like lots of people in Smallville, already knew CK=Superman
but didn't figure it was anybody else's business but the Kents. It's a
stereotype of small-town people, but one I kind of like. They protect their
own. I like the idea of the whole of Smallville knowing CK's secret and
figuring it was paying their debt to that nice young man to keep the
secret, too. Even from the kindly elder Kents don't realize it.

Hmm, there's a story idea. CK & Lois (Smallville likes Lois, too) visit
town and something happens that requires Superman and the town helps CK be
Supes without CK having to change clothes... and CK has no idea what's
going on. Maybe Lois gets an inkling...

This would be a good chance for a writer to play around with character
building.

Debby
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no time to write it though...
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At 07:18 PM 3/19/1999 -0800, Christina Batouli wrote:
>Does anyone know why Ching and Zara weren't affected by the Kryptonite
>force field they used to test Clark?

Lead undergarments?
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I want to reiterate my thanks to Annie, Zoomway, Erin, and everyone else =
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the great tutorial we had today. Now I feel like I'll be able to particip=
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in the Kerths without falling on my face! And thanks for promising to sen=
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Back to reading nominations - yikes, voting closes tomorrow and I've bare=
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I have a few suggestions for Claude's last name - one is a joke - Claude
Hopper.

How about Claude LePew - after Peppy LePew - the Looney Tunes' skunk
because that was just what Claude was - for stealing Lois' story.
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Am I wrong or is there an ep where Superman leaves Metropolis for any
disaster, mudslides/earthquakes.  I am convinced that all his heroics
was in Metropolis.

And also does he ever do any night patrols or is that mainly in the
fanfic?
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In a message dated 3/20/99 7:05:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jsowell@METLIFE.COM writes:

<<   Does anyone have any suggestions for Claude's last name? >>
How about LeBoeuf?  It's French for the ox.  Or if you want to be nasty,
LeB=E2tard?  or L''diot?  or LeChameau, which is the camel and one of the
nastier insults you can call a Frenchman.

Ann
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On 20 Mar 99 at 20:05, Sue Modolo wrote:

> How about Claude LePew - after Peppy LePew - the Looney Tunes' skunk
> because that was just what Claude was - for stealing Lois' story.

Okay, he may have been a thief,  and a skunk, but please, don't
even *begin* to compare him to Pepe Le Pew. (Note correct spelling).

Pepe is the ever-hopeful eternal romantic - he doesn't understand
how anyone can be repelled by  his scent, because he is a gentleman
and a caring lover.  He never gives up - he knows that somewhere,
out there, is his true love.....

"He steals hearts, not stories."  Quote from Jon, my beloved, who
buys me every Pepe Le Pew item he can find, from the Warner Brothers
Store, ebay, candy shoppes, Walgreens,  or wherever they may
be hiding.

Please don't insult this wonderful character by associating him with
such a slimeball as Claude....

How about "Depardieu"?  or as Jon just said "DeGaul" (incorrect
spelling deliberate, because he had "de gall" to steal Lois' story.)

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In a message dated 3/20/99 8:25:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
labrat@DIRCON.CO.UK writes:

<< Claude Rochert >>
If you take off the "t" rocher is French for "rock", which could have some
meaning perhaps.

Ann
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In a message dated 3/20/99 11:11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Am I wrong or is there an ep where Superman leaves Metropolis for any
 disaster, mudslides/earthquakes.  I am convinced that all his heroics
 was in Metropolis. >>

In "Don't Tug on Superman's Cape" he went to help out during a major
earthquake in China.  When he stayed to help rebuild the Great Wall, the
Lakes
mocked him for being a "Boy Scout."  And he went to divert the lava flow
from
a volcano eruption in Hawaii in IASWAA.  In another episode he was cleaning
mud from a mudslide somewhere and in AKAS he put out a fire in Detroit.  In
WHALTTA, he took care of a nuclear reactor meltdown in Philadelphia.  There
are probably other examples as well, but these are the ones that come to
mind.

He leaves Lois on a number of occasions to do night patrols.  In Chi of
Steel
the bad guys mention his patrolling the harbor as the reason they can't
smuggle in more workers.

Ann
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Joy N Sowell said:
>>I think that Wayne Irig was just being the really good friend of the
family
>that he has been for years.
>>
Eileen B said:
>I agree - I think I like the idea that Wayne Irig has known Clark for all
>his life on earth and probably does know his secret.  In my experience
>country folk are usually from tight communities and are very reluctant to
>talk to strangers, let alone confide in them.  I personally have always
>believed that others must have guessed his secret and are keeping quiet out
>of respect for him.

I have been thinking for awhile that it would be interesting to write a
story in which all the citizens of Smallville have openly found out about
Clark from very early after his arrival.  This would basically be an
alternate beginning story which would affect Clark's childhood and the
development of his personality very much since he wouldn't have to hide
everything from everyone, and everyone in the town would help him cope with
his developing powers (things like pilots helping him learn to fly or the
optometrist helping him control his vision 'gizmos', etc).  Any one
interested in taking this idea on?
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Sue Modolo <smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
<Am I wrong or is there an ep where Superman leaves Metropolis for any
disaster, mudslides/earthquakes.  I am convinced that all his heroics
was in Metropolis.>

What about in "Chip Off The Old Clark", when he goes to stop the missile =
in
Fostonia? Not to mention that the reason the little boy got his powers wa=
s
because Supes had rescued that plane in Michigan. And there was at least =
one
ep, I seem to remember, where it's reported that he saves a crashing plan=
e in
Paris. I got the impression that he was a frequent international flier! <=
G>

<And also does he ever do any night patrols or is that mainly in the
fanfic?>

I can't really remember any eps where a night patrol was integral to the =
plot
(Help, Zoom? BG) but TPTB used night patrols as filler a few times as I r=
ecall
- I think I remember seeing one in the opening credits in first season du=
ring
my recent LC first season marathon. (I'm into 2nd season now. Yowzers, wh=
at
fun!)

Back to reading - I may have to pull an all-nighter, and my X-Files fic
reading will suffer, not to mention my marathon, but I'll get it done. Oh=
,
well, one positive side-effect of being unemployed: I can sleep to noon o=
n
Monday when the rest of you poor slaves have to be at work or in school. =
<:P

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Does any one have a copy of "American Gladiators" with Dean? and is willing
to make me a copy? I'll send tape,
postage and clean their house.  I can't believe I missed this, too.

        Thanks in advance,
        Brenda
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In a message dated 3/20/99 9:45:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
d.arendt@WORLDNET.ATT.NET writes:

<< Does any one have a copy of "American Gladiators" with Dean? and is
willing
to make me a copy? I'll send tape,
 postage and clean their house.  I can't believe I missed this, too. >>

sorry about this, but this is a me too post.  What?!?! Dean on AG?  Where
was
I when this happened?  Could I get a copy too?  I'll wash their car while
Brenda (oh BTW, Brenda--I got the little magnet thing, thanks! I love it)
cleans the house ;)

sorry to take up space.

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In a message dated 3/20/99 11:43:15 PM Central Standard Time, dlgray@USA.NET
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<< Sue Modolo <smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
 <Am I wrong or is there an ep where Superman leaves Metropolis for any
 disaster, mudslides/earthquakes.  I am convinced that all his heroics
 was in Metropolis.> >>

Well, it seemed in Vat Man that everyone, but particularly Lois, was
surprised
that Superman was saving a plane over France.  However, as soon as Clark
sees
the news bulletin before the bogus Superman appears, he's ready to sprint
off,
so I think he would have gone there to save the plane.  In Witness he goes
to
the rain forest to stop the blasting, he shouts "Halto!" ;)  In Ides of
Metropolis he has to go across the country and insert an antivirus disk in
computers at key points. In Individual Responsibility Superman tells Friskin
he was in London stopping a missile.  In We Have a Lot to Talk About, he
went
to Philadelphia to stop a nuclear melt down, In Don't Tug on Superman's Cape
he went to China to help after an earthquake, even helped repair the Great
Wall ;)  Chip off the Old Clark, as Debra mentioned, he tunneled through the
earth to stop a missile from impacting on the other side of the planet. In I
Now Pronounce You it was a typhoon in India, I think.  In Big Girls Don't
Fly,
he starts off for New Krypton ;)  People Vs Lois Lane, Superman goes to
London
due to the fake meteor. In Sex, Lies and Videotape he goes to the war zone
between Lavislan and Pdansk to destroy the launched missile strike. In AKA
Superman he's cleaning his costume after an oil fire in Cleveland, I think.
He chased Vixen to China and France.  Those are the ones I can think of at
the
moment, but I'm sure there's more.

>>>>I can't really remember any eps where a night patrol was integral to the
plot
(Help, Zoom? BG) but TPTB used night patrols as filler a few times as I
recall
- I think I remember seeing one in the opening credits in first season
during
my recent LC first season marathon. (I'm into 2nd season now. Yowzers, what
fun!)<<<

I think it was sort of implied that part of what Clark did as Superman was
to
do a nightly patrol of the city for some period of time at night. In
Ordinary
People, Clark tells Lois "I was 'out'." and did that little hand signal they
used to indicate Superman flying and it seemed as if he was in the middle of
patrolling because he says "So I thought I just stop by and see how you were
doing."  After they kiss, he says, "Well, I'd better..." and makes the
Superman flying signal again, and Lois smiles and nods. So, he's obviously
not
out on an emergency, and I think that and We Have a Lot to Talk About where
he's "patrolling" (more to avoid Lois than anything else ;) gives a real
impression that that's part of what Superman does.

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In a message dated 3/18/99 3:54:47 PM Central Standard Time,
SilvrBrwne@AOL.COM writes:

<< Why isn't it a 28 year old kind of thing?  I wouldn't say "it's NOT a 28
year
 old kind of thing," I know some people that are 28 *and* older that love
going
 to concerts like Pearl Jam, Metallica, etc. and some actually join in the
mosh
 pits, cause they enjoy it.  If you like it, then you *should* do it,
reardless
 of your age; you only live once. ;) >>

Here's a scene from The Phoenix from the original script, but a scene that
never made it to the aired episode.  You'll also notice that it was a
Rolling
Stones concert in the original script:

Jimmy: "Hey, CK... so you and Lois are going on a date, huh?"

Clark: "Listen, Jimmy. Do me a favor? Don't give Lois a hard time about it,
okay? You know her. She won't find it funny."

Jimmy: "I'm not going to razz her. I think it's cool you two are going out."

Clark: "But she won't think it's 'cool' if everyone knows. So keep a tight
lid
on it, okay?"

Jimmy (nods) "So where you takin' her?"

Clark: "Stones concert."

Jimmy: "No way! Those tickets cost like a million bucks."

Clark (knowingly) "Each."

Jimmy: "You going to hang out in the mosh pits?"

Clark: "What's a mosh pit?"

Jimmy: (enthusiastically) "It's great. It's that area right in front of the
stage. Everyone crowds in real close, you can't hardly see or breathe, the
music's so loud you don't know what they're singing, and then if you're
lucky,
you get lifted up and passed over everyone's heads to the back.

Clark: "That *would* be lucky."

Jimmy: "No, the point is to make your way to the front again. It's really a
blast."

Clark: "You know, I never felt old until right this minute."

Anyway, that's the scene and I would have liked to have seen it in the
episode. Apparently some of the scene or all of it was actually filmed
because
part of one of Jimmy's lines is in the blooper tape.

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Out of nowhere, with no advertising whatsoever, AKA Superman aired in
Sydney for the first time this afternoon...Yep, for the first time,
after leaving off with Lois and Clarks in early 1997.  That's great
news.  But with my luck, I had no idea about it until an innocent 6 year
old told me about it tonight.  Boy, I don't know what kept me from
shaking him and scream out my frustration!

So here I am, very disappointed that I missed what was probably the only
time this ep would ever air in where I live. :(

Is there a kind soul out there who is willing to make a copy of AKA
Superman for me?  It would need to be in PAL format.  May be someone in
Australia?  I am happy to cover all costs.

Please email me at donnas@student.unsw.edu.au  if you can help.  Thanks
:)

Donna
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Terry

I also quite like the idea of a fanfic where everyone in Metropolis has
known his secret from the beginning - could be quite a challenge.  I know
that there are a lot of fanfics about an alternative universe L&C but I
don't think this story should be like that.

Having said that, I might be tempted to write it myself but I already have
one fanfic being edited at the moment and am in the middle of writing
another one. Maybe one of the lovely FOLCs out there could think about it.

Regards
Eileen B
eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk

Terry wrote

>I have been thinking for awhile that it would be interesting to write a
>story in which all the citizens of Smallville have openly found out about
>Clark from very early after his arrival.  This would basically be an
>alternate beginning story which would affect Clark's childhood and the
>development of his personality very much since he wouldn't have to hide
>everything from everyone, and everyone in the town would help him cope with
>his developing powers (things like pilots helping him learn to fly or the
>optometrist helping him control his vision 'gizmos', etc).  Any one
>interested in taking this idea on?
>Terry
>
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:05:06 EST
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From:         The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM>
Subject:      DO NOT Download this file!!! It's a Virus (worm)(Re: AKA
Superman
              HELP!
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In a message dated 3/21/99 3:41:26 AM Central Standard Time,
donnas@STUDENT.UNSW.EDU.AU writes:

<< File:  Happy99.exe (10000 bytes)
 DL Time (31200 bps): < 1 minute >>

DO NOT download this attached file. It's a type of idiotic hacker virus that
starts attaching itself to e-mail.  Donna, get rid of the file in your
computer.  You must have picked the thing up innocently somewhere and now
it's
attaching itself to your e-mail.  When the file is executed it usually
starts
with a fireworks display. If you remember seeing that, then you executed
this
file and now it's polluting all your e-mail and going out to everyone you
send
an e-mail to, including this list. This virus apparently doesn't harm your
computer, but just attaches itself to all your e-mail so it can be spread
all
over the place. If you did download this file (as from an automated mail
retrieval system like an AOL flash session) just delete it and you should be
okay if you don't execute it.

According to AOL, this is how to get rid of the virus if you don't have an
updated antivirus program (because this virus only started appearing in
January)

Removal

Steps marked optional are not absolutely necessary and are completely safe
to
skip.

   1.Click Start, then Shut Down, then "Restart Computer in MS-DOS mode",
then
click Yes. It's
     important to do this so you can make the necessary changes.
   2.At the DOS prompt type this exactly and press enter at the end of each
line:

     CD \WINDOWS\SYSTEM

     If your Windows folder is not called WINDOWS then substitute the name
of
your
     Windows folder instead, for example:

     CD \WIN95\SYSTEM

   3.Delete SKA.EXE and SKA.DLL by typing

     DEL SKA.EXE
     DEL SKA.DLL

     If you get "File not found" you're either not infected or in the wrong
directory. Make sure
     you're in your Windows System directory; check to see if you followed
step 2 exactly.
   4.Copy WSOCK32.SKA to WSOCK32.DLL by typing

     COPY WSOCK32.SKA WSOCK32.DLL

     Answer "Yes" if it asks if you want to overwrite WSOCK32.DLL.
Explanation:
     WSOCK32.SKA is a backup of the original WSOCK32.DLL made by the virus.
You are
     replacing the modified DLL with the original.
   5.Optional Delete WSOCK32.SKA by typing

     DEL WSOCK32.SKA

     You can leave WSOCK32.SKA on your system. It is a copy of your original
     WSOCK32.DLL Do not delete WSOCK32.SKA if you are unable to replace
     WSOCK32.DLL with WSOCK32.SKA.
   6.Return to Windows by typing

     EXIT

   7.Optional Click Start, then Run, then type regedit in the text box, then
click OK. Click
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, then Software, then Microsoft, then Windows, then
     CurrentVersion. Under RunOnce check for SKA.EXE and select it if it is
there. Press delete
     and then click Yes. Close Regedit. Don't change anything else without
making a backup of the
     registry first. If you don't find SKA.EXE in the registry, it doesn't
mean you're not infected.
     SKA.EXE is only added to the registry if HAPPY99.EXE is unable to
modify
     WSOCK32.DLL when you run it.

   8.Optional Choose Start, Programs, Accessories, Notepad, choose File,
then
Open then type
     C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\LISTE.SKA in the File Name box. Warn the people on
the
list,
     then delete LISTE.SKA.

Zoomway@aol.com
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:15:51 EST
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From:         No Name Available <Larus2407@AOL.COM>
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In a message dated 99-03-20 23:11:27 EST, smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Am I wrong or is there an ep where Superman leaves Metropolis for any
 disaster, mudslides/earthquakes.  I am convinced that all his heroics
 was in Metropolis. >>

Well, in DTOSC, he went to help after an earthquake in China.

--Laurie
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Date:         Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:05:52 +1100
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From:         Donna Sin <donnas@STUDENT.UNSW.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: AKA Superman HELP!...no more virus
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I am sooo sorry, everyone.  I had no idea I was infected.  (This is so
embarassing!)  After following the instructions given by Zoomway, my
computer should be okay now.  (Thanks, Zoom :)   I hope I didn't cause
too much trouble, and hope you can all forgive me :)
(oh, and sorry if you have gotten this twice)

As you'd probably have hit the delete key as soon as you know there was
a virus, I hope you don't mind if I'd ask again...

I have missed AKA Superman when it aired for the one and only time here
in Australia.  Would anyone be able to make a copy of the episode for me
on tape?  I would be happy to cover all costs and be forever grateful!

Please email me at donnas@student.unsw.edu.au  if you can help.  Thanks
:)

Donna
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:06:46 -0700
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From:         Debby <debby@SWCP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Claude's last name
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At 07:03 PM 3/20/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>...So far, as a default, I'm using Claude LeShmuck. ...  JOY:)

On Hercules a few weeks ago they had a bad guy Germanic-type fellow named
VonVerminRidden...

Debby :)
Debby@swcp.com
who suggests you get a thesaurus and look for words like "deter"...
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:53:14 EST
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From:         Norman Mayes <Budmayes@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: L&C Downloads
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I would do a search for any and all photo formats - gif, jpg, bmp and so on.
It has to be on  of them.

budmayes@aol.com
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:50:37 +0000
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From:         Chris Carr <c.carr@VIRGIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: help and advice wanted
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Hi everyone

I am thinking of posting a  vignette to the list, but before I
do so, I would like someone to take a brief look at it.  (It's about
2 000 words long, so we are not talking 'epic' here.)  Are there any
kind people who would volunteer to help me with this?  (I've written
fanfic before, but this is my first complete L&C piece, so I'm a
little nervous about it.)

Also, I wondered if anyone has any practical advice about lengths of
individual posts.  I've noticed that long pieces get broken up into
smaller chunks: is there any general rule of thumb as to how long
these should be?  (I'm on another fiction list, for a different
fandom, and there the general rule seems to be about 20KB -- I just
want to check that that is about right.)

Thanks guys!

Chris
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:15:24 EST
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From:         Annette Ciotola <AMCiotola@AOL.COM>
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I might have a copy of this somewhere. I am currently going through my
tapes.
If you are interested please email me *privately* at AMCiotola@aol.com. I
will
see what I can come up with.

Anne :)
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:40:08 -0500
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From:         Joy N Sowell <jsowell@METLIFE.COM>
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I'll read it Chris.  Just e-mail me with it.  :)

jsowell@metlife.com
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:59:33 -0500
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Debby wrote:

Hmm, there's a story idea. CK & Lois (Smallville likes Lois, too) visit
town and something happens that requires Superman and the town helps CK be
Supes without CK having to change clothes... and CK has no idea what's
going on. Maybe Lois gets an inkling...

This would be a good chance for a writer to play around with character
building.

CAN I?  Please?  :)
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:57:30 -0500
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From:         Joy N Sowell <jsowell@METLIFE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Claude's last name
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Labrat:  If you find a good name in that French dictionary of yours could
you
mail it to me?  It IS probably going to be a PG-13 story, so any allusions
to
nfic related topics, and there are a couple so far, would have to remain
allusions.  Or, at least double meanings.  <g>
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:50:56 -0500
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Debby wrote:  <...Von VerminRidden...>

ROTFL   [And it hurts to laugh, I had a PFT on Thursday for OCS, and I'm
still a
bit sore:)]
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:11:51 -0500
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From:         Joy N Sowell <jsowell@METLIFE.COM>
Subject:      Re: Claude's last name
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<<<How about LeBoeuf?  It's French for the ox.  Or if you want to be
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=E2tard?  or L''diot?  or LeChameau, which is the camel and one of the
nastier insults you can call a Frenchman.>>>>

Great names, Thanks!!
=

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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:08:22 -0500
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Claude Hopper.  LOL!!  That, and Claude LeGaul are definite possibilities.
I'll
ask my co-writer, she should make the final decision.  Any more
suggestions????
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:31:24 -0500
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From:         Pam Jernigan <jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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>>  (I'm on another fiction list, for a different
fandom, and there the general rule seems to be about 20KB -- I just
want to check that that is about right.) <<

I've always tried for 18-19 but 20 seems to work, too :-)  That should ma=
ke
it most accessible for most people...

I'd volunteer to look at it, but I'm monumentally bad at replying... just=

ask the two people who are currently waiting on me :-(  (I'm sorry, guys!=
)

PJ

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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:31:52 -0000
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Joy wrote:

>Labrat:  If you find a good name in that French dictionary of yours =
could you
>mail it to me?  It IS probably going to be a PG-13 story, so any =
allusions to
>nfic related topics, and there are a couple so far, would have to =
remain
>allusions.  Or, at least double meanings.  <g>

Joy, I can't even find the dumb, smegging dictionary, let alone anything =
in it. <bg> Thought I saw something familiar last night in the bookcase =
and pounced on it, but it turned out to be the Spanish version. Claude =
couldn't have come to Metropolis via France with a side trip from Spain =
could he? He had a Spanish father and a French mother? Nope....am I =
reaching here? Rats. Okay, back to the drawing board......

And if I find it - you'll be the first to know.

BTW - thanks to Ann for the Rocher connection. I thought it was neat - =
and then an hour later I thought 'Hey, I might be able to make something =
of that'. So, you may well find Claude missing a 't' in the final =
version of Burnout at that. (As well as all the other things he was =
missing......)

LabRat :) =20
Doc. Klein's LabRat
labrat@dircon.co.uk.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Joy wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></FONT>&gt;Labrat:&nbsp; If you find a good name in that French =
dictionary=20
of yours could you<BR>&gt;mail it to me?&nbsp; It IS probably going to =
be a=20
PG-13 story, so any allusions to<BR>&gt;nfic related topics, and there =
are a=20
couple so far, would have to remain<BR>&gt;allusions.&nbsp; Or, at least =
double=20
meanings.&nbsp; &lt;g&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>Joy, I can't even find the dumb, =
smegging=20
dictionary, let alone anything in it. &lt;bg&gt; Thought I saw something =

familiar last night in the bookcase and pounced on it, but it turned out =
to be=20
the Spanish version. Claude couldn't have come to Metropolis via France =
with a=20
side trip from Spain could he? He had a Spanish father and a French =
mother?=20
Nope....am I reaching here? Rats. Okay, back to the drawing=20
board......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>And if I find it - you'll be the =
first to=20
know.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>BTW - thanks to Ann for the Rocher =
connection. I=20
thought it was neat - and then an hour later I thought 'Hey, I might be =
able to=20
make something of that'. So, you may well find Claude missing a 't' in =
the final=20
version of Burnout at that. (As well as all the other things he was=20
missing......)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>LabRat :)&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>Doc. Klein's LabRat</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"mailto:labrat@dircon.co.uk">labrat@dircon.co.uk</A>.</FONT></DIV>=

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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:03:54 EST
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In a message dated 3/21/99 11:36:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
labrat@DIRCON.CO.UK writes:

<< thanks to Ann for the Rocher connection >>

You're welcome.  I knew those eleven years of studying French and the 21 of
teaching it would come in handy some day.

Ann
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:10:52 EST
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From:         The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM>
Subject:      the happy99.exe virus
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In a message dated 3/21/99 7:59:46 AM Central Standard Time,
donnas@STUDENT.UNSW.EDU.AU writes:

<< I am sooo sorry, everyone.  I had no idea I was infected.  (This is so
 embarassing!)  After following the instructions given by Zoomway, my
 computer should be okay now.  (Thanks, Zoom :)   I hope I didn't cause
 too much trouble, and hope you can all forgive me :)
 (oh, and sorry if you have gotten this twice) >>

It's not your fault, Donna.  One reason this virus has spread so far is that
no one knows it's attaching itself to e-mail they send out.  You could have
received it from someone you wouldn't think twice about downloading from.
Someone you trust, and of course they would have no idea they even sent it
to
you.   Always be cautious of e-mail with an executable file (EXE) attached
*especially* if the person sending it to you is someone you don't know, or
as
the case with this program, the person sending the e-mail doesn't even make
mention of the attachment in their e-mail.  Debby Stark did the wise thing
by
keeping her virus protection program updated because there's geeks out there
with nothing better to do with their time or talent than to make computer
owners miserable.

I'm glad the instructions worked for you and you were able to get rid of the
virus, or I assume it did since your current e-mail had no attachments. I
will
say since you're in Australia, your e-mail hit my mailbox between 3:00 and
4:00 in the morning.  If I weren't a vampire, I wouldn't have caught it so
quickly <g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:15:58 -0500
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From:         Margaret Brignell <brignell@CAPITALNET.COM>
Subject:      Re: Claude's Last Name
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At 11:08 AM 3/21/1999 -0500, Joy N Sowell <jsowell@METLIFE.COM> wrote:
>Claude Hopper.  LOL!!  That, and Claude LeGaul are definite possibilities.
 I'll
>ask my co-writer, she should make the final decision.  Any more
suggestions????
>

How about Poubelle?

Claude Poubelle...what a high-sounding name<eg>  (it means garbage can,
dust bin, or trash can<g>)

Margaret
who is *finally* getting down to revising some fanfic:)

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Margaret Brignell
brignell@capitalnet.com
Ottawa, Canada
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Date:         Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:46:16 -0500
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>Margaret
>who is *finally* getting down to revising some fanfic:)
>
>

Revising!  Yay! I know that revising may take a while...but...I love the
"Only You" series...and so I'm happy that you are revising!

Nethra
who needs to start learning about fatty acid oxidation
but instead read parts of "Always Something There to Remind Me" and "What
It Means to Love You"...so if the biochem test is on LNC fanfic, I'm all
set! :)
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nethra:  just try to think of the process as a L&C adventure.  Good luck on
the
biochem thing.

JOY:), who has been there
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At 08:54 AM 3/20/1999 -0500, Georgia wrote:
>Margaret wrote:
>>Because, to be honest, *I* sure as heck didn't see any
>>progression of Lois and Clark to become LoisandClark.
>I'm sure you're going to get a lot of replies on this one, and I hate
>repeating other people's stuff, so I apologize in advance if I do. :)
>

Actually, not as many as I'd thought<g>

>>From the pilot to Family Hour, the
>direction was one-way - they hit speed bumps and passed milestones of all
>kinds, some huge enough that they may have seemed like signals in a change
>in direction, but I think not.

That's what I was hoping for, but like I said I didn't see it happening.
To me the coupleness made a brief appearance in BY, and then disappeared,
never to be seen again.

>They certainly never achieved perfect one-ness all the time - I don't think
>that's humanly or super-humanly ;) possible, and not the ultimate goal of
>this story, anyway.

I guess I bought into the whole "Utopia" concept in which Lois and Clark
formed a perfect union and as Superman inspired the whole world to be a
better place (except for the odd aberration like Tempus<g>)

>A lot of the formation of their couplehood (is
>that a word? <g>) was done before they got married, but they were at a new
>level now, and you've got to admit, a few months isn't very long to adjust
>to it.

I can buy that.  That's why I kept watching when they fell out of
coupleness after BY.  I kept hoping it would come back;\

>If you genuinely didn't see a real couple in those
>episodes, nothing I could say would make a difference, because I saw almost
>nothing but.

I guess you're right.  That's the basic problem I'm having.  I really
didn't see a real couple in those eps.  I'm not sure what could convince me
that LoisandClark (or perhaps it should be LoisSClark?  Since, both of them
were intrinsically involved in the creation of Superman) was present in
fourth season.

>DLW is one of my favorite examples of the kind of thing I mean, but I guess
>that doesn't work either, if you don't believe that Clark would do illegal
>things if he thought it best.

I think it's more that I reject the whole concept that a man would turn his
back on his basic integrity, honesty, and ethical make-up "for love".  He'd
find some way to resolve the problem that did not involve breaking his
moral imperative.

I do *not* see Lois respecting Clark for doing this.  She's always been the
one to encourage him to *be* Superman and everything he represents.   In
fact, she did tell him not to do anything unSupermanlike, like breaking her
out, in TPvLL, then suddenly their whole moral imperative changes in DLW?
I think not!

> They were dealing with a bizarro situation
>(but that's the nature of the show) but they were handling it together,
>though still in their own individual ways:
>
>"That lunatic?"
>"Well, what did you want me to say: Lighten up, Officer, I'm *married* to
>that lunatic."
>"Well, I maybe I am a lunatic, but I'm *your* lunatic."
>"You know that's what I think, honey."

Assuming you buy the concept that Clark would break her out of jail, Lois
seemed a bit out in left field in this ep.  Clark is doing his best to keep
her out of jail and she's acting like some kind of demented female who
can't understand why he'd call her a "lunatic" in the presence of a police
officer, or why she has to keep a low profile when ordering food?  Where's
Lois' savvy when she really needs it?  It seemed like it sank underground
so the writers could have a couple of funny scenes.

These "funny" scenes seemed to add insult to injury, since I hated the
original concept in the first place.

>BY is about the most perfectly structured episode of the season with
>dialogue that explicitly states where they are emotionally.
>
>"Well, you know I love it, but is it you?"
>"Me? No ... it's us."

Now *this* ep I did like:)  (However, it should be noted that this ep
happened *before* any of your other examples.)

By the time the show had got from the wedding arrgh to BY I was ready to
give up on the show, period.  Then I saw this ep and it gave me hope that
the show might actually turn around and have L&C grow into being a real
couple.  As a result, I kept watching in hopes of seeing that happen.

However, the next thing I know Clark is rejecting the very core of his
being and breaking the law!???  I couldn't believe it!  Aaarrrgh!

>I don't know, I seem to have drifted from my point - I do that :) but I
>would like to know if there was anything in the preceding seasons that
>implied that your kind of couple, as opposed to the one we got, was going
>to be forthcoming.

Wells story about Utopia?

Obviously, everyone who loved season 4 thinks I'm Gallatically Blind, and
I'm pretty sure you're all delusional<g>, so I guess I should just "let it
go";\

This is my last stab at trying to figure out this conundrum.

>Georgia
>P.S. On the matter of fanfic - I categorically reject*for myself* the
>notion that fanfic is for correcting things.

Sigh.  I didn't *say* it was the only reason.  I asked a question.  You all
answered.  It was a theory that obviously didn't pan out.

Margaret
Who writes fanfic to answer the question "why?", just in case you were
wondering:)

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I like that name Margaret.  However, because of the nature of the story, I
don't
know if it will work.  Does anyone know the French word for, um, how do I
say
this in a PG fashion, a man of the night.  Too bad Labrat's idea of him
being
>from Spain by way of France wouldn't work.  Then I could use several of
these
names.  Claude LeShmuck deGual de.... and use all of these ideas.  Hmmm.
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Dennis A Arendt wrote:
>
> Does any one have an explanation of what made Wayne Iraq(?) keep his mouth
shut about Clark being
> Superman in TGGGOH?  He had to be totally deaf not be here Clark talking
to his parents "Superman's back>"
> and Trask loud conversation.  Maybe I missed something!!!! You think?

I have a fanfic that address this question, sort of.  Irig's in it, at
any rate.  "In the Hands of a Madman" was supposed to be one part of a
longer story; the other parts detailing the events of GGGOH from Carol
Sherman's POV, and from Rachel Harris'.  But this part, about Martha,
has been done for over a year now, and Carol and Rachel's stories are
but outlines in a spiral notebook.

So, I guess I'll post Martha's part now, and if I ever finish the other
two parts, it can be considered a series.

As always, feedback (good, bad, or indifferent) is greatly appreciated.
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Zoomway@AOL.COM wrote:

> You could have received it from someone you wouldn't think twice about
> downloading from.
> Someone you trust, and of course they would have no idea they even sent it
to
> you.   Always be cautious of e-mail with an executable file (EXE) attached
> *especially* if the person sending it to you is someone you don't know, or
as
> the case with this program, the person sending the e-mail doesn't even
make
> mention of the attachment in their e-mail.

That's exactly what happened. It was from a person I wouldn't think twice
about
downloading from, and they had no idea they have sent it to me.

> Debby Stark did the wise thing by keeping her virus protection program
updated
> because there's geeks out there
> with nothing better to do with their time or talent than to make computer
owners

> miserable.

Yes, I have learnt my lesson the hard way...I am going to update my
anti-virus
program now!  Thanks so much for the help, Zoom :)

Donna
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Ever since I saw Green, Green Glow of Home, I've wondered about
Martha's reactions to the happenings of that terrible afternoon.
This is my attempt to try to place myself in her shoes.  We start
right after Clark's and Lois's aborted phone call to Perry.

With thanks to Bruce Zabel, who wrote the original story, and to
my proofreaders: Patty Macy, Janeen Grohsmeyer, Lisa Rameriz, and
Sandy McDermin.

====================

                    IN THE HANDS OF A MADMAN
                     A retelling of GGGOH
           By Genevieve Clemens (NightSky@erols.com)

                          Part 1

It seemed quiet in the house.  Oppressively so.  The morning had
been noisier than usual, with Lois and Clark both there.  As
Martha listened to the two of them argue non-stop, she questioned
her assumption that Lois was the one woman for Clark.  She
remembered how Clark had used the words stubborn, opinionated, and
brilliant the first time he had described Lois to her.  She was
getting a first-hand look at the stubborn and opinionated part,
and, as she listened to Lois put together pieces of a puzzle that
none of the Kents particularly wanted her to figure out, she was
beginning to accept the "brilliant" part, too.

Lois had worn Clark down until he had finally, grudgingly,
admitted there *was* something fishy going on over at the Irig
farm, but the two of them couldn't seem to come to an agreement
what to do next.  Finally, Lois stood up and announced that *she*
was going over the farm to *see* what was going on, and if Clark
didn't want to come, that was fine with her.  As Lois flounced out
the screen door, Clark pushed back his chair and groaned,
"Loooisss," but he'd obediently followed her out.  A few moments
later Martha heard their rental car as they drove down the road.
Since then, silence had reigned.

As the afternoon dragged on, Martha puttered around the kitchen,
getting the fresh corn they'd purchased at the corn festival ready
for canning.  Unfortunately, while that kept her hands busy, it
wasn't enough to keep her mind from dwelling upon the alarming
happenings of the last few days.  She worried about Clark's
"sickness" -- it could only be called that -- since his exposure
to that green rock they still had in the shed.  And she fretted
about Wayne's disappearance and all those strangers digging up his
farm.  For so many years -- ever since she and Jonathan had
discovered Clark lying in Shuster's field that night -- Martha had
feared something like this.  And now...all her nightmares were
coming true.

With an exasperated sigh, Martha put the knife down.  The tension
was just too much to be borne.  Moving quickly, she left the house
and, striding briskly across the farmyard, went in search of her
husband.

She found him in the storage shed, sitting on old trunk, staring
at the lead toolbox which contained that horrible green rock.  She
moved to stand near him.  "Jonathan, I can't take this anymore.
We have to do something."

"What can we do, Martha?"

"I don't know," she sighed.  "Do you remember when Clark was a
baby, how we planned for something like this?  That we'd all just
get in the car and drive if anything happened.  We had everything
ready -- the maps, the cash.  How many years did we keep those
packed suitcases behind the sofa?"

"Long time," agreed her husband.  "But finally we felt safe.
Foolishly, perhaps."

"We *were* safe," Martha said.  "Then Wayne found that *damned*
rock!"

Jonathan blinked when he heard that word.  Martha never swore; she
must be really upset.  He shook his head, still staring at the
box.  "I don't know what to do with it.  I can't give it to
anybody, but I sure don't want to keep this anywhere near Clark."

Martha shook her head.  "Sometimes I don't understand why things
happen.  How all his life he's always talked about being
'normal.'  Now he is.  It's what he says he wants, but..."

Jonathan finished for her.  "But it doesn't feel right.  Because
Clark's not normal.  Normal for him is being Super.  Until I
opened that box..."  Jonathan's voice trailed off, as he blamed
himself for not realizing the danger inherent in the green rock.
Martha moved to stand even closer to him, hoping to comfort him.

"You didn't do this to him.  It just ... happened.  Besides, maybe
it's for the best.  Those men, they're obviously searching for ...
for Superman.  He's not Superman now; he'll be able to hide."

Jonathan hated to burst her optimistic bubble, but he had always
been honest with her.  "Those men are looking for this rock,
Martha, because they know they can use it to hurt him, probably to
kill him.  And his not being Super right now just makes him more
vulnerable.

Martha closed her eyes, feeling the tears of frustration welling
up.  Her fears for her son and her inability to do anything to
protect him were eating away at her.

Her eyes flew open as she heard someone walking outside in the
yard.  Then they heard a shout.  "Jonathan!  It's Wayne Irig!"

"Thank God!"  Jonathan muttered under his breath as he threw the
shed door open.  "Wayne!"  Wayne Irig ran into the shed.  If
Martha was a bundle of nerves, Wayne was considerably worse off.
He looked exhausted, and his face was badly bruised.  He had
wrapped a bandana tightly around his hand, which he cradled as
though every movement sent stabs of pain through it.  Wayne was
practically gibbering with fear and confusion.

Jonathan put an arm around Wayne to steady him and lead him to a
seat on the bale of hay.  "Wayne!  My God, look at you.  What did
they do to you?"

Wayne was barely coherent.  " We've got a problem, Jonathan.  A
bad one."

"Okay.  All right."  Jonathan was trying to calm Wayne down.  "I'm
with you.  Calm down, Wayne."  He looked towards Martha.  "Martha,
get a doctor."

Glad to have something to do, Martha headed towards the door, only
to be stopped by Wayne's refusal.  "No, I'm all right.  But --
there's men up at my place.  Men with guns.  They're looking for
that rock I gave you."  Wayne was only a step away from total
panic as he looked at them wildly.  "We've got to get to the
police."

Jonathan looked at Martha.  Seeing Wayne like this, they both knew
he was right, but the decision they had made so many years ago
still held.  For almost thirty years, they'd kept the secret of
the baby they'd found in the spaceship, and even more frightening
than the thought of men with guns was the thought of confiding in
strangers.

Jonathan looked at Wayne.  How could he convince him to keep the
secret?  "We've been friends for years, Wayne.  You trust me,
don't you?"

"Sure."

"Then believe me.  That green rock is dangerous.  But we can't
call the police, and we can't let those men have it."

Wayne blinked.  The Kents obviously knew more about this than he'd
thought.  Trask's ravings about Superman came back to him, and he
looked at Jonathan suspiciously.  "What do you mean, 'dangerous?'
What does it do?"

"It makes some people sick; that's all I know," Jonathan replied
in a clipped, strained voice.  Wayne had known Jonathan long
enough to know that Jonathan knew more than that, but he could
also see that Jonathan was deadly serious about this, and that
Jonathan was as frightened as he was, almost to death.  Jonathan
continued.  "So no more red tape.  You and me, we're going to go
destroy it right now.  Somehow."

As if on cue, the door to the shed burst open.  Before anyone had
the chance to draw breath, a dozen men with guns drawn ran inside.

"I don't think so," the leader of the men said to Jonathan.  One
of the other men took the lead toolbox from Jonathan and handed it
to the leader.  Jonathan's eyes met Martha's in a look of panic as
the leader opened the box.  They had waited too long to take
action, and now the enemy had the upper hand.

The green light emanating from the rock cast an eerie glow onto
the leader's face, making him look more sinister than ever, and
yet there was no mistaking his look of triumph.  "I don't think
so," he said again.  "I've looked too long for this to let you
destroy it now."  He gestured to his men, and Jonathan, Martha,
and Wayne were herded into a corner of the shed.  "At last," he
said under his breath, "I've found a way to destroy that alien
menace."

Trask barked out some orders; one of his men left and returned
carrying a length of rope.  Soon the three of them were tied
together, their hands bound tightly in front of them.  Wayne,
beaten by Trask days before, had been docile, moving where he was
told with no resistance.  Jonathan had attempted to fight back,
but had been no match for three of Trask's bullies.  Martha, her
fears for herself overshadowed by her terror for her son, had held
her head held high and kept up a steady stream of invective, until
one of the men had lifted his hand towards her, threatening to hit
her.  She'd held her tongue after that, although her eyes still
flashed fire.  Eventually, the men left them alone in the dark
shed, tied tightly together.

"I'm sorry, Jonathan," Wayne said.  "They must have followed me
here."

"Mmm hmm," Jonathan agreed.  "And they must have been listening
outside the shed.  As soon as I mentioned destroying that rock,
they moved in.  We'd better be careful; they're probably still
listening to everything we say."

"Who are they?"  Martha exclaimed.  "That Trask person must be
crazy."

"Crazy as can be," Wayne agreed.  "One thing I know -- he doesn't
think any of the laws apply to him."

Martha heard an engine outside, then another.  If she listened
closely, she could hear Trask commanding most of the men to return
to the Wayne farm and start packing up.  Once the sounds of the
motors faded into the distance, there was comparative quiet.
Someone was still moving around outside, but it was obvious that
most of the men were gone.  Not that it made any difference.  No
matter how few men were left outside, the three of them were
immobilized, unable to defend themselves -- or Clark.  Martha
listened for every sound she could hear, trying to guess what was
happening.  Someone was talking, but she couldn't quite make out
the words.  Suddenly a sharp cry of terror split the air.  "NO,
TRASK!  NO!"

"Oh, God!"  Martha gasped.  "That was Clark.  Jonathan..."  She
turned to her husband, seeking comfort, but Jonathan was quiet,
unable to think of anything to say.  They were prisoners of a
fanatic who had dedicated his entire life to destroying their son.
And if Martha was right, Clark was in his power, too.

A few moments later, she blinked against the sudden light as the
door to the shed opened.  Trask entered with one other man, who
was carrying two cans of gasoline.  At Trask's gesture the man
began sprinkling the edges of the shed with gasoline.  Trask
stood, framed in the doorway, and began talking to them,
conversationally.

"I want you to know that there is nothing personal in this," he
said.  "Mr. and Mrs. Kent, the problem is --simply -- that your
son has something I want."

Jonathan was too outraged to answer, but Martha had never been
tongue-tied.  "What could Clark possibly have that *you* want?"
she demanded.

"Superman.  He knows how to contact Superman.  And I want
Superman.  Lane and Kent are the only connection I have to him.
The only other time I had a chance to kill him was by throwing the
Lane woman out of an airplane.  The alien came to save her.
Unfortunately, my weapon wasn't powerful enough.  This time
though..." Trask smiled as he thought of the green rock he
possessed, "this time, I'll destroy him."

"I'd give you a quick death if I could," he continued, "but your
son needs time to realize he has no other options but to call for
Superman.  I've already explained all of this to him, but he's
chosen not to give up Superman.  Interesting, isn't it?  That your
son values this alien more than the lives of his parents."

"That's because he has no connection to Superman!"  Jonathan tried
desperately to convince Trask.

"Oh, no.  No, Mr. Kent.  I know when someone is lying to me and
your son has lied to me about Superman from the beginning.  You
should have heard the one he just told me outside -- that *he* was
Superman.  Ha!  Not unless he gets superpowers when he dons the
suit, or puts on a magic ring, or says a magic word.  No.  He's
not Superman, but he *does* know how to summon him.  And I am
willing to bet, when the flames come closer and closer to the
three of you, and he hears you screaming, he *will* do whatever it
is he does to bring Superman here.  And then -- then I'll kill
Superman, with that green rock."

Martha stared at Trask in revulsion.  "I don't suppose, after
you've managed to kill Superman, you'll come in here and rescue
us?" she asked, her voice dripping with bitterness and irony.

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Continued in Part 2....
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                    IN THE HANDS OF A MADMAN
                     A retelling of GGGOH
           By Genevieve Clemens (NightSky@erols.com)

                          Part 2

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Trask gave her a look of amused regret as his assistant began
backing out into the farmyard, leaving a gasoline trail across the
floor.  Trask followed the man outside, and looked Martha straight
in the eye as he said, "Remember, you give your lives in the cause
of humanity."

Trask left the door to the shed open.  'Probably so Clark can hear
our screams better,' Martha thought.  She and Jonathan had a clear
view, directly out in front of the shed.  It looked so normal, so
peaceful.  The birds were even singing in the Kansas sunshine.
The only sign that anything was amiss was the van in the driveway
and the madman pulling a book of matches from his pocket.  Then
the madman threw a match to the ground, and a trail of flame raced
towards them.

Martha was unable to stop the whimpers as the flames made their
way towards her.  Besides her, Jonathan cursed and pulled at the
ropes.  A sudden crash outside drew her attention from the flames,
and she saw the doors on the van swing open.  Her heart rose as
she saw her son emerge powerfully from the van.  He looked so
normal, dressed in jeans and a shirt, but Clark was anything but
normal.  A blink, and Clark was right outside the shed door,
inhaling the flames, then blowing them skyward.  Another blink,
and Clark was beside them, reaching for the ropes that held
Martha.

"Superman's back," he said triumphantly, as though she hadn't
noticed his actions in the last thirty seconds.  Jonathan breathed
a sigh of relief, thinking their ordeal was over, but Martha
noticed the madman walking towards the shed.

"Clark, behind you!" she warned.

Clark turned and saw Trask approaching.  He glanced back at his
parents, his normal "mild-mannered" look replaced by a look of
adamant determination.  In years to come, Martha would recognize
that the hard, resolute stare was a trademark of the Man of Steel;
right now, however, she only thought how unlike Clark it was.

"Be right back," Clark said, dropping the thick ropes.  As Clark
walked outside, Jonathan grunted and pulled again at their
bindings.  Still tight.

Martha watched as Clark moved to block Trask from entering the
shed.  Trask was walking quietly and confidently, with his hands
behind his back.  Martha's eyes widened suddenly as a thought hit
her -- had anyone told Clark that Trask had the green rock?

"Don't take another step, Trask."  Clark seemed to have no doubts
about Superman's invincibility as he confronted Trask.

"Fighting words, Mr. Kent.  Or should I call you 'Superman?'"
Seeing his brash confidence, Martha wanted to yell, to warn Clark
to keep his distance.  But somehow everything was happening too
quickly.  Clark moved closer to Trask.

"A secret identity," Trask continued, impressed.  "Very clever.

"You’re going to prison, Trask.  For murder, kidnapping, for abuse
of power."

Trask smiled unpleasantly.  "But I'll tell everyone your secret."

"I don't care.  This ends now, Trask."

"Agreed.  But the question is, for whom?"

Martha took a deep breath as Clark was suddenly beside Trask.  For
a second, she hoped Clark would subdue Trask, and all would be
fine.  Her hopes fell as she watched Clark stagger back.
Triumphantly, Trask brought the green rock from behind his back.
Slowly, ever so slowly, Clark collapsed to the ground.

She winced as she watched Trask spin and kick Clark, sending him
sprawling in the dirt.  The steel toe of Trask's military boot had
connected with Clark's body, but Martha had felt the blow as
clearly as if it had been aimed at her instead of her son.  Her
son -- her baby -- was helpless in the hands of this fanatic who
hated him, and who would take perverse pleasure out of torturing
him.

Martha watched as her son writhed in the dirt, trying to catch his
breath and roll away from the deadly rock.  Trask continued his
tirade, "You think you're better than we humans, don't you?
Flying around, oh-so-perfect and superior.  But those days are
over, aren't they?"

Clark appeared to answer, but Martha couldn't make out the words.
Whatever they were, they inflamed Trask, and he held the rock even
closer to Clark's face.

"No," Trask bragged.  "You're wrong.  It's over, and I have won.
This little piece of home is going to be the death of you,
Superman."

Martha caught her breath as she heard the sound of sirens faintly
in the distance.  Was help coming at last?  Trask seemed to hear
them, too, as he placed the green rock near Clark's head.

"Unfortunately, I won't be able to stay for the services."  Trask
walked around the shed, but all of Martha's attention was focused
on her son.  'Fight,' she thought, hoping her thoughts and
strength would go out to him.  'You've always been strong, Clark.
He'll kill us all before help gets here.  Keep trying, Clark.'

As though he could hear her thoughts, Clark turned towards the
green rock.  Martha watched as he touched it tentatively, and drew
back, wincing.  'You can do it, Clark!' she thought again, willing
him on.  Her heart lifted as she watched Clark quickly grab the
rock and, with a cry of defiance, throw it with all his strength
towards the pond.  A blinding flash of light came from outside.
But the effort, which may truly have been super-human, proved too
much for Clark, and he collapsed back upon the ground.

"Oh, very brave.  And very foolish."  Martha couldn't see Trask,
but she could hear him.  Trask continued to taunt Clark, who still
lay upon the ground, spent.  "Now let's see.  Who should go first?
You?  Or the human traitors who have sheltered you all these
years?

Suddenly, Martha could see Trask again as he walked towards the
shed, a gun in his hand.  Martha was numb to the thought of
imminent death by now, and she watched with a strange disinterest
as Trask approached, wondering if Clark could get away while Trask
killed them.  She began praying, asking God to spare her son.

Clark's roar of protest, as he flung himself at Trask, didn't
surprise her.  Somehow, he managed to knock Trask down, but the
effort seemed to drain his last reserves of energy, and he lay on
the ground, gasping.

"You're right, Superman.  I don't need a gun."

Martha had thought Trask's earlier kick was brutal, but it was
nothing compared to the blows he was inflicting on Clark now.  The
two men rolled out of sight, but Martha could still hear the
grunts and groans of the two men fighting, as well as the solid
thwacking sounds of flesh pounding flesh.  Given the state of her
son when he'd thrown himself at Trask, she didn't see how Clark
could possibly win this fight.  She closed her eyes and listened,
nails cutting into her palms, teeth biting into her lips, to the
sounds of this monster killing her baby with his bare hands.  The
sirens were getting closer and closer, but what would be left of
Clark by the time they got here?  How long did it take to pummel a
man to death?

Beside her, Jonathan was swearing softly, words she'd never heard
him use in almost thirty-five years of marriage, all the while
pulling at the ropes again.  It was becoming harder to hear the
sounds of the fight now; the sirens were too loud.  Martha
strained her ears for sounds that would give her any hint of what
was happening.  She breathed a sigh of relief as she saw a police
car race through the yard and screech to a halt, just out of
sight.

The utter stillness that followed the silencing of the sirens was
startling, but not reassuring.  For a second all Martha could hear
was her own breathing.  Then she heard Lois's voice call out
"Clark!", shrill and in warning, followed swiftly by the sharp
crack of a gunshot.

"Noooo!" Martha screamed.  She closed her eyes.  All of that
effort, all of that pain, for Clark to be shot by the madman?
"Dear God, no." she whispered.  "Not Clark."

One of the deputies came into the shed; he must have heard her
scream.  "My God, Jonathan!" he exclaimed, as he came rushing over
to free them.  "What in heaven's name has been going on here?"  He
freed Jonathan and then turned to Martha.  Jonathan moved quickly
to the door; he didn't know what they would see, but he wanted to
see it first.  If it was too terrible, he'd try to prepare Martha
before she looked out there.

Released from the heavy ropes, Martha rose stiffly, and almost
tripped over her own feet in her rush to reach the door.  From the
doorway, Jonathan turned to her with a smile.  "He's all right,
Martha," he said softly.  "Our boy's all right."

Martha joined him at the door, where Jonathan put an arm around
her.  Martha couldn't take her eyes from her son.  He stood there,
dripping wet, by the side of the pond.  Lois stood close to him,
each of them holding the other tenderly.  As Martha watched, Clark
leaned down, touching his forehead to Lois's.  Martha thought she
could almost see him drawing strength from the slender woman who
held him.  As she watched Lois tenderly touch Clark's face and
observed the joy on Lois's face, Martha realized that Lois needed
Clark as much as he needed her.  The only question was, how long
would it take them to realize it?

Wayne Irig joined them outside the barn, and together they watched
as two deputies began dragging Trask's body from the pond.  Rachel
Harris stood quietly besides her police car.  She looked pale, but
composed, in spite of the fact that this was probably the most
serious situation she had had to handle since she had been elected
sheriff.  Rachel stared briefly at Lois and Clark, still holding
each other; averted her eyes from the sight of the body that had
been laid out at the water's edge; and then glanced up at the
Kents and Irig, who were still standing near the shed.  Then she
walked towards her deputies.

"Uh, Wayne," Jonathan said softly, "I don't know what you heard in
there, or what you figured out..."

"The only thing I've figured out in the last few days is that
there are some things I don't want to know about.  I'm not going
to think about this anymore than that."

Jonathan looked at Wayne and saw the trustworthiness and
understanding in his eyes.  He nodded.  "Fair enough, Wayne.  I'm
sorry you were ever involved in this."

"Not your fault," Wayne answered.  "You have a fine son, Jonathan.
You can be proud of him."  Wayne walked away, towards one of the
police cars.

As Martha watched, Lois pulled herself away from Clark, who
reluctantly let her go.  She took a few steps away and turned back
to Clark, holding out her hand to him, as if inviting him to come
with her.  Clark shook his head weakly, and gestured her on.
Martha watched as Lois summoned a dark-haired young man, who had
been taking pictures.  The young photographer and Lois headed
towards the driveway and got into the Kent family truck.  Although
Martha didn't see how they could have gotten the keys, the truck
started without any difficulty and drove away.

Clark was walking slowly towards his mother.  When he got there,
he stretched out his arms to gather Martha into a huge hug.
Martha's arms went around him, and she didn't think she could ever
let go.  She found herself crying silently in his arms, the
tension of the day finally finding its release.  Jonathan reached
out and touched Clark's arm, reassuring himself that his son was
still there.

Martha pulled herself away from Clark, her cheeks still wet.  "Oh,
Clark," she said with a smile.  His faced was badly bruised.  He
winced as she reached out and gently touched a cut on his face.

"It's been a long time since I've had to bandage you up," she said
with a smile.  "I don't think you've had a cut since you were
four."  Clark smiled weakly.

"Where did Lois go?" she asked, curiously.

"She went back to the Irig's," Clark answered.  "She wants to see
if there is anything left over there.  I doubt there will be,
though.  Trask was nothing if not thorough."  Clark glanced down
towards Trask's body and couldn't help the shudder that ran
through his own.

"C'mon, you two," Jonathan said.  He raised his voice.  "Rachel!"
When she looked up, he announced, "We're going up to the house."
Rachel nodded in agreement.

It was only a few hundred yards to the house, but suddenly Martha
wasn't sure she could make it.

"Oh, my!  My legs are so shaky; I'm not sure I can walk."

"Neither am I," Clark said.  "My legs are shaky, my ribs are sore,
and to tell the truth, I think I'm going to be sick."

"We can get to the house," Jonathan's voice was strong, "if we all
go together."  He slid an arm around Martha's waist, supporting
her, and Clark held her from the other side.  Walking slowly, the
Kents left all the noise, confusion, and death behind, and made
their way home.

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In a message dated 3/21/99 3:01:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jsowell@METLIFE.COM writes:

<< Does anyone know the French word for, um, how do I say
 this in a PG fashion, a man of the night. >>

If you want a PG word in French, you might want to use "Le Dragueur" which
is
French for a guy who likes to go prowling ( is that the word I want? ) for
women, but not  for anything illegal, like prostitution.  "Le Baiseur" could
conceivably mean " the stud", but the connotation is that of a man who
sleeps
with women, as did Claude and you are heading towards R.  A womanizer is "Le
Coureur".  PG-wise, your best bet is probably Le Dragueur.

Ann
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"Le Dragueur" sounds good Ann.  I'll ask Mandy.  Thanks!!
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On 21 Mar 99 at 11:08, Joy N Sowell wrote:

> Claude Hopper.  LOL!!  That, and Claude LeGaul are definite possibilities.
I'll
> ask my co-writer, she should make the final decision.  Any more
suggestions????
>

I seem to remember from a long time ago - "cochon" - it's
"pig" - not a Babe-type pig, but a nasty person....

Don't have a dictionary handy, but "Claude Cochon" has a bit of
a ring to it.....maybe?

Barbara
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On 21 Mar 99 at 14:59, Joy N Sowell wrote:

> I like that name Margaret.  However, because of the nature of the story, I
don't
> know if it will work.  Does anyone know the French word for, um, how do I
say
> this in a PG fashion, a man of the night.  Too bad Labrat's idea of him
being
> from Spain by way of France wouldn't work.  Then I could use several of
these
> names.  Claude LeShmuck deGual de.... and use all of these ideas.  Hmmm.
>
Well, there's "Gigalo" - the correct spelling is "gigolo", but people
might get the idea.......And pronunciation can vary from "zhiGALo"
to "GEEgalo".....

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>>>I do *not* see Lois respecting Clark for doing this.  She's always been
the
one to encourage him to *be* Superman and everything he represents.   In
fact, she did tell him not to do anything unSupermanlike, like breaking her
out, in TPvLL, then suddenly their whole moral imperative changes in DLW?
I think not!<<<<

The *law* and *justice* are not always one and the same. Here's the dialog
>from Dead Lois Walking:

"Clark, what do you mean you're "taking me out of here"? I lay on that cot
every single night secretly wishing that that's just what you'll do, but you
can't! Don't you understand what that would do to you?"

"The issue here isn't me, it's *you*. You are the person I love more than
anything in life. I'm not going to watch my wife sit in jail waiting to die
for something she didn't do. No matter what happens to me."

"But you've spent your life serving justice."

"Exactly, and you're innocent, and together we're going to prove that. Now
if
that isn't serving justice, I don't know what is."

No "moral imperative" changed here. Lois was still reminding him of what
Superman stands for, and *what* is it that Superman stands for?  Right --
*truth* and *justice* and *both* were denied Lois.  Just because someone is
arrested or even convicted of a crime, that can have little to do with
*justice* or the "truth* if the person is framed.  At least two episodes in
1rst season dealt with this, Ides of Metropolis and the finale.  Eugene
Ladderman was framed for murder and convicted. He escaped his cell and Lois
hid him. That's called "harboring a fugitive" I believe ;) She felt justice
had been denied to Ladderman and that he was wrongly convicted.  Clark's
immediate reaction was to phone the police but Lois persuades him not to.
Ladderman turns out to be innocent. Lois then says to Clark, "And, just in
case you did miss the moral to the story, thank you, you should trust what's
in people's hearts. Not just the facts, ma'am."

Jack is framed for the bombing of the Daily Planet.  He hints it might be
nice
if Superman would spring him from the lock-up.  Clark disagrees, he has his
belief that justice will prevail.  When Jack escapes, however, Clark doesn't
turn him back over to the authorities even though that's breaking the law,
because he's convinced (and only on Jack's word) that Jack's life would be
in
danger should he return.  Now it is Clark, a student of Lois' lesson from
Ides
of Metropolis, who is harboring a fugitive.  Because sometimes it's "what's
in
peoples hearts, and not just the facts ma'am" that count.

Moving to second season.  Lois is arrested for a crime committed by a
surgically altered duplicate.  She desperately needs Clark to believe that
she's innocent. He does, and with no proof that she isn't "crazy" as Arianna
Carlin had assessed her, but again, he knew her heart and that overrode the
"facts" as they appeared to be in this case. Jimmy falsely arrested for
murder, Superman being sued for injuring someone, Bill Church Jr. who *was*
guilty, but getting away with it because of a loophole are all examples of
*injustices* but all still *legal*.  Are you going to tell me after *all* of
this Clark *wouldn't* spring Lois out of jail?  If Clark didn't, he would
have
been reverting all the way back to pre-Ides 1rst season Clark.  That's not
evolution, that's regression <g>

Added to all of the above, Clark went against a court order forbidding him
to
use his powers but he did anyway so that he could stop a runaway train with
hundreds of passengers on board.  Jace Mazick was going to kill Clark's
parents if Clark didn't rob the jewelry store. Lois was going to die for a
crime she didn't commit and the DA himself was in on it.  In each case,
breaking the law was not Clark's first choice.

He was obeying the court order, but wasn't going to let hundreds of people
die
in Man of Steel Bars. That wouldn't have been *justice*. He was going to
tell
the world he was Superman in And the Answer Is so that Mazick couldn't
blackmail him into robbing the jewelry store, but then Mazick kidnapped his
parents and threatened to kill them.  Even at *that* Clark was still working
up to the deadline Mazick gave him trying to find out who was behind the
kidnapping. In The People Vs Lois Lane, Clark didn't break Lois out of jail
even though he did feel like "doing something crazy".  He let the criminal
justice system have its shot, but when it failed, and when Clark *knew* that
wasn't Perry testifying on the stand, he knew it was time to get Lois out of
there in Dead Lois Walking. It's doubtful those who got her convicted would
risk the automatic appeal system setting her free. I have a feeling she
might
have met with one of those unfortunate prison "accidents" that Jack spoke of
;)

However, there's also the fact that Clark stole evidence (Smart Kids and
Pheromone, My Lovely), committed  a whole lot of "breaking and entering"
(with
and without Lois), employed questionable (from a legal standpoint)
surveillance techniques (both he and Lois), and Mayson Drake thought
Superman
was akin to a vigilante and even called him a criminal.  Heck, he even
started
to cheat at cards with Perry <g> For me though, this wasn't Clark's "dark
side" and most certainly wasn't character assassination. Clark Kent was not
a
god, but even if he had been, gee, think of all the stuff those guys and
gals
>from Mt. Olympus got away with ;)  Fortunately for Lois, "I've never known
anyone with as pure a heart" and so whatever any of us might think of Clark
when it came to the "law vs justice", what Lois thought of him was truly all
that mattered.

Zoomway@aol.com ("Oh, leave the truth and justice stuff to Superman, would
you" ;)
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Genevieve,

This was wonderful.  I thoroughly enjoyed the new perspective on these
events.  I hope you plan on writing a lot more in the future.

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At 2:50 PM +0000 3/21/99, Chris Carr wrote:

>Also, I wondered if anyone has any practical advice about lengths of
>individual posts.  I've noticed that long pieces get broken up into
>smaller chunks: is there any general rule of thumb as to how long
>these should be?  (I'm on another fiction list, for a different
>fandom, and there the general rule seems to be about 20KB -- I just
>want to check that that is about right.)

Yeah, I shoot for around 20 when I break up S6 stories (up to 22-23KB).
The problem I've been told, is that above around 23, AOL turns posts into
attachments.   This last S6 episode, I had one at 23 and another at 22, and
no one wrote me telling me they came through as attachments, so hopefully
that's the threshold!

Remember, however, don't send stories (or pictures, etc.) as attachments to
this list. That's against the rules. :)

Kathy

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