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Date:         Mon, 8 Mar 1999 00:39:48 EST
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In a message dated 3/7/99 6:25:48 PM Central Standard Time,
maggie13@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:

<< "Lois and Clark are stagnating at the moment because it's like they threw
 out a sign that said, "We interrupt the growth of these characters for an
 important A plot" We aren't seeing what their married life is like, or how
 it affects them. Out of the 11 aired episodes, there has only been *one*
 where Lois  or Clark/Superman wasn't the direct target of the villain,
 which gives them very little down time for B plots, or even being
 reporters.
 Maybe that's where their passion has gone, they're just too darn tired <g>"
>>

Thanks, Maggie (I have a groupie? ;)  You should have seen my original post
about The Rival <g>   I think some of us who have been in the fandom from
the
beginning, like the characters themselves, *evolve*.  I hated The Rival when
it first aired.  I now enjoy that episode. I think I hated it in the
beginning
because I felt Clark was sort of like he was during his wishy-washy lunch
date
with Mayson Drake, "I care about you, Mayson. I care about, Lois"  Well,
that's tellin' her, Clark! <g>  However, years (and it literally was! ;)
later, rewatching The Rival (I had purposely avoided it to save the
aggravation) I noted that Clark was Clark.  He wasn't being duplicitous, he
wasn't trying to hurt Lois or mislead Linda, he was being what he always had
been to that point in first season, which was a fairly sweet, naive guy <g>

At the dance/bar, Clark compliments Lois on how she looks. Lois,
unfortunately, is *so* upset that she's not going to outdo Linda, she
doesn't
even *hear* his compliment. Linda drags Clark to the dance floor, he even
seems afraid to put his hand on her because she's wearing a backless dress
<g>
The point is, for years I hated that episode based on an initial dislike,
and
so years later, and the victory of L&C getting together, made for much more
enjoyable, mellow reflection  ;)

Believe it or not, it took me a while to warm up to Justin in early second
season episodes, but now he's the *only* Jimmy I picture.  I had nasty
things
to say about second season when it reached *its* midpoint, but now I find
some
true gems in those episodes.  I had nasty things to say about how first
season
ended, and while I still don't care much for how it was handled, it's not
something I get stressed over. Again, having things work out for Lois and
Clark's relationship made up for a lot of things ;)  So, it might be why I
continue, though perhaps fruitlessly, to help those suffering fourth season
distress.  I remember how it felt when I was worried about the show and the
ratings, it took a toll on objectivity.  Now the stress is gone, the ratings
tension is *blessedly* gone -- I just sit back and enjoy the heck out of the
entire series ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (thanks for being my "groupie", Maggie, ya poor kid ya ;)
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Shame on you, Sharon! You made me cry. At 9.15 in the morning, even. This is
unprecedented. Stuart (nice husband) thought at the very least I must have
downloaded major death, doom and disaster into my mailbox. <g>

Seriously, I don't think I've read as satisfying or waffy a NK story since
THE HEIR and its sequels by Piper & Peace.

Well done! me/applauds enthusiastically.

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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PS - There, B - *no* Rich Text, *no* special fonts to muck up your digest!
Haven't I been good? <bg>
LabRat :)

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In a message dated 3/7/99 7:09:40 PM Central Standard Time,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

<< That's my point.  Why is Clark feeling bad?  Shouldn't he have trusted
Lois
 enough (or known Lois well enough) to *know* she wouldn't have encouraged
 Leslie? >>

I think that's because you've misinterpreted *what* was bothering Clark. He
wasn't mistrusting Lois.  He wanted to know how to confront Leslie on this
issue, but not knowing *exactly* what happened, he had no idea how angry or
even *non* angry he should be about what Leslie did. With Lois, what upset
Clark, was that she didn't tell him. They didn't keep secrets from each
other,
and so it seemed as if Lois had broken one of their private promises to each
other.  Lois, however, *did* start to tell Clark, but he got called away as
Superman.  The series is filled with unfinished sentences <g>   At any rate,
this "miscommunication" as you'd call it, didn't last long, nor did it keep
them from doing their jobs.  Lois and Clark were not Tim and Amber Lake.
Lois
and Clark were more like a *real* married couple, and that does mean
disagreements and arguments occasionally.  Even *family* members argue with
each other sometimes no matter how much they love each other.

>>>I'm in agreement with Zoomway's opinion while season 4 was actually in
progress.  The characterization was stunted in season 4.  And, to be
honest, I don't remember *ever* seeing what their married life was like in
the rest of the season.  As far as I can remember, they weren't in the same
room/dimension/body long enough to find out!<<<

Well, at least we can "agree" when lagged by two years <g>  Seriously, I
told
Maggie in the other post, my feelings and opinions for specific episodes or
seasons did change over the years, and sometimes dramatically.  That
includes
fourth season. However, even back then, I loved individual episodes
regardless
of a midpoint view of the season itself. However you have said you didn't
like
much of anything from fourth season, so there's a huge fundamental
difference
in our points of view.   For example, back when second season had reached
*its* midpoint, I didn't have a glowing opinion of it either.  The following
is an excerpt from an article I did for the Cybernet:

"..This season has reversed priorities. The plot, Lois and Clark's weakest
point, has become the showcase, which only serves to highlight the poverty
in
the plotting. .."

I was also notorious for having fits about Lois' apartment changing floors
every other episode second season as well.  But, as with fourth season at
*its* midpoint, I loved certain individual episodes within second season to
that point. I enjoyed Wall of Sound,  Bolt from the Blue,  Metallo (yes,
maybe
one of the few second season folc who did ;) That Old Gang of Mine, Seasons
Greedings, and even the Prankster (sue me ;)  As you can see, despite
panning
second season at its midpoint, I still enjoyed more than half of the
episodes,
and the ones I wasn't terribly fond of, had elements I really liked. Even
Cheese..er Chi of Steel had that nice "she's family" comment at the end
regarding Lois and the Kents.

Did I love them unconditionally? Heck no <g> I'm sure I found things I liked
and disliked in all of them.  I even liked a lot of The Eyes Have it
...gasp!
;)  My old posts, if reposted, would reflect more how I felt at the time
those
episodes were actually airing rather than how I feel now, or even how I
might
feel next year.  That *immediacy* can't be recaptured. I can't see them for
the *first* time again, but I can always *rediscover* them, reassess them,
and
in some cases, change my opinion of them.  I believe, or at least I *hope*,
that I never stop noticing new things, or finding some new or interesting
aspect to the episodes or the series as a whole.  That's why my enjoyment of
the series has ceased to fade.  I can go back and see *all* of it as a whole
and not just be stuck with my feelings or opinions of the past. Not just
"characters" evolve over time, but fans can and do as well ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 09:04 AM 3/7/1999 -0500, PJ wrote:

[snip re anticipation... anti-sah-pa-a-shun, it's making me wait, it's
making me - slap! okay, okay...]

>Luckily for all of us, however, we have fanfic :-)  If you want a quick
>fix, you can read a first season revelation story; if you like to be
>teased, you can read Dawning... <g>
>
>PJ
>who does enjoy Dawning

Thank you :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
watching Kissinger rewrite history
to his own liking...
also, I used to watch soaps back in the 60s
about when the Texas craze hit...
my younger brother and sister were watching, too.
Soaps are a good training ground for TV actors
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Jumping in a little belatedly on this thread... like Margaret, I
found Season 4 my least favourite. I *hated* the wedding and
honeymoon episodes, and Toy Story and Family Hour were just
embarrassing to watch. Although there are individual episodes I quite
like in Season 4, it is still the season I least like to re-watch.
Give me 1 and 2 any day!

I know what I do like about the early seasons is the
'will-they-won't-they' feeling (and I'm also a romance novel fan,
which offers me a similar sense of anticipation). In 3 and 4, Lois
was in on the secret - great for some of the earlier Season 3 eps
where she was shown leaning to come to terms with Clark's other
identity. But from then on the series seemed to consist of one
roadblock after another. I can't even say the Aarghh put me off, as
when the series was still running I missed the entire thing! Saw
nothing between Tempus, Anyone and IASWAA.

But other than the random waffle above, like Margaret I can't quite
put my finger on what I disliked about Season 4. Yes, a
higher-than-average number of 'hated' episodes or ones which made me
cringe with embarrassment. Possibly also a number of eps which simply
made me wonder 'why bother' - eg Ghosts. I thought the 'we need some
friends' start to BACALAC was very forced and false. I don't need to
add anything about STP - others have voiced the criticism very
eloquently. I didn't much like AKA Superman (sorry, I know most
people loved the scene under the table, but I found it embarrassing).
MJD/LAC was excellent; the 'Lex Files' trilogy not bad.

Compare this to Season 2 for me, and perhaps I am looking at this in
retrospect: even with the awful villain-of-the-week storylines, I can
see the gradual build-up from friends to almost-lovers, and it is
wonderful to watch. Of course, I could strangle Clark sometimes, not
for his reaction to Scardino, but for his fear of intimacy - that
stakeout scene where he oversees the graffiti artists, for instance:
I mean, REALLY!!

But I remain quite lukewarm about Season 4 as a whole.

Wendy

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Date:         Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:20:16 EST
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Wow, Sharon.....I don't know what else to say.......just......wow.
What a powerful story.  I always thought that what CK would experience on NK
would change him - how could it not?  So many 'Clark comes home' stories
have
been so light and waffy.This one just *feels* more realistic.  Very gritty.
And maybe in a perfect world, a man could go to war and not be affected.
Maybe he could come back home and pick up his life, right where he left it.
But I don't think so.

I wrote and posted "The Heir" before the show returned in the fall to finish
the NK arc.  I was really looking forward to how they would wrap up the
story
line, so you can imagine how disappointed I was at how neatly everything
worked out.  It was just so damned cute and perfect.  That was one of the
main
motivations for Peace and I to write "Healing".  We knew that CK would have
been changed.

You really nailed it, Sharon.  The nightmares, the guilt, even down to CK
wanting to hide his scars from his family.  This was a terrific story and
you
should be very proud of it.

More, more please!
Piper
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At 09:06 PM 3/7/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer of the Week.  She is an
Irish
>Floc who

who might feel sheepish when reading this ad...

>now lives in England.  She, also, is a talented writer who gave a
>very interesting interview.
>
>The URL is............
>http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html.
>
>I hope you have time to drop by and read her interview.
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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 05:58:39 -0700 Debby <debby@SWCP.COM> wrote:

> >The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer of the Week.  She is an
Irish
> >Floc who
>
> who might feel sheepish when reading this ad...

LOL Debby!! When I saw that a couple of weeks ago I did wonder
whether Annie was making a clever observation on the relative
population density of sheep to humans in Ireland    ;)

Wendy
(who comes from Dublin, where there is rarely a sheep to be seen, but
has been held up many times while driving elsewhere in the country
while a flock of sheep crosses the road).

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Okay Margaret.  You wanted to see if you could determine a correlation
between
those who actually liked Seasons 3 and 4, and those who watch(ed) soap
operas.
I liked all four seasons, but especially season 4.  Even in the
"disappointing"
episodes, I found a scene, or perhaps just a moment, that I really enjoyed.
I
no longer have time to watch nor tape daytime soaps, however that was not
always
the case.  I grew up on NBC's Days of our Lives and Another World.  I was a
freshman in college when Santa Barbara went off the air.  I only missed a
few
episodes of the entire 8.5 year run.  I loved Dallas, Falcon Crest, and
Dynasty.
When you are a kid, and you live in the middle of NOWHERE, you kind of have
to
watch soaps if you want to join in the family entertainment.
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Sharon -

Just not got around to reading 'Power to Forgive'. Like the others
who have posted here today, I think it's a wonderful story. Very well
crafted, the emotions almost jumped off the page (well, screen!) at
me. The premise really makes sense, and all in all it is excellent.

I hope you're going to submit it to the Archive?

Wendy
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Sharon, I have to tell you that it was wonderful!!  After reading the first
part
you sent me, I was on the edge of my seat to see how it ended.  Great job!
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Just wanted to say - I just finished Wendy Richard's new fanfic, "An
Ordinary Man".  Wendy, you've done it again!  What a great story!

I urge everyone to read this story asap.  It's very well written and
clears up a number of loose ends between 1st and 2nd season.

Keep writing, Wendy.  I for one, am looking forward to reading more of
your work.

Irene

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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:23:25 PST irene d <sirenegold@HOTMAIL.COM>
wrote:

> Just wanted to say - I just finished Wendy Richard's new fanfic, "An
> Ordinary Man".  Wendy, you've done it again!  What a great story!

<blushing furiously...> Irene, thank you!! It's really kind of you to
say so publicly, and I'm embarrassingly grateful. I'm glad you liked
it, though I have to tell you that my editor called me 'slimy' and
issued dark and murderous threats across the Atlantic at me once
she'd reached a certain point in the story... (hi Erin  ;)  ).

Anyway, thanks again... such wonderful encouragement should inspire
me to go home this evening and add a few more pages to my monster
100+ page alt-alt-Metropolis epic   <g>

Wendy

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Labrat wrote:
>Seriously, I don't think I've read as satisfying or waffy a NK story since
>THE HEIR and its sequels by Piper & Peace.
>
>Well done! me/applauds enthusiastically.

I heartily agree about this story - I really enjoyed it.  In fact, I'd like
to see a sequel that deals with after Clark having been gone for a year,
how his return coupled with his changed appearance and demeanor might be
accounted for in terms of his attempting to get his life/career back on
line.

On another note, I have two questions for Labrat:  First, "THE HEIR and its
sequels"!!!!????  How many sequels are we talking here?  I only know of one
- The Healing.  Are there more?  If so, please let me know what and where
they are so that I can read them IMMEDIATELY.  Second, I think I remember
reading references to you having written stories, and even think I remember
finding and reading some.  But I can't re-find them now.  The only site
I've found (Anne's site) which lists your name for fanfics, seems to
deadend when I click on your name - that is, I get to a bunch of authors,
but your name is no longer listed as one of them.  Do you have a story
site, and would you mind sharing it?
Thanks, Terry
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Hi everyone,  :)

Over the weekend, we ran into a problem with the Kerth voting ballot that's
on the fanfic archive.  Apparently, the mailing system that was supposed to
be forwarding the votes to me and my voting committee DIDN'T get forwarded
to us, and ALL the votes submitted over the weekend have been lost somewhere
in cyberspace.  :P

So, (and I'm very sorry to do this to everyone) could ALL of you who
submitted votes over the weekend -- from Friday around midnight through
NOW -- resubmit those votes?  The problem has been fixed, but I have no way
of tallying those votes that were lost over the weekend.

Thanks everyone, and I'm sorry things glitched!  I hope to see those votes
>from you soon.  :)

Erin  :)
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>I'd like to read some personal stories by you all out there who didn't
>think they could write before they decided they had an L&C story to tell.
>Me?  I wrote some stories for The Prisoner, and I have worked on several
>newsletters. None of this was paid work but it was good practice.
>
>How about your real-life stories?

I'll jump in here, Debby. :)  I've written a lot for school projects and
always pulled very high grades on research papers (I'm one of those rare,
odd few who loves research papers).  But other than the poetry I've written,
LnC fanfic is the first work I've done that has truly come from my heart and
been an all out labor of love.  I've never thought that I had any great
writing talent (still don't) but I do enjoy it immensely, probably more than
I enjoy anything else (except watching LnC, of course).  I've always had
stories floating around in my head and always wanted to be a writer.  I've
never had the courage to do it though, never thought anyone would be
interested in reading what I have to say.  I really got into writing LnC
fanfic accidentally - by a total fluke.  The newsletter FoLC Central was
running a Halloween Short Stories contest and I sat down in like 5 minutes
and wrote, "Let's Have a Super Halloween" a major "fluff" piece with no
substance whatsoever and just a fun little scene about Lois and Clark's son
picking out a Halloween costume.  I won third place in that contest.  To
some people, third place may not seem like a lot, but to me it was that push
I needed to decide I really wanted to try my hand at fanfic.  It also gave
me the courage to do it.  I've been really shy most of my life and always
cringed when the teacher asked me to read something I'd written out loud, so
submitting that story to FoLC Central was me finally just throwing my fears
to the wind and 'going for it.'  Since then, I have finished 7 other stories
and had tons of feedback that encourages me to keep writing.  I consider
writing fanfic my 'hobby' just like watching LnC is my hobby.  It's
something that I really, truly love doing and something I never really
thought I was capable of until I got involved in this show about a guy and
girl who fall in love and have a Super life.  That's the uniqueness of this
show for me, there is such a wide-spread fandom that it brings out the best
in all of us.  And those of us who never had the courage to try our hand at
writing, finally have.

Whew, that was one long paragraph, so excuse me FoLCs, it's Monday morning,
Mandy :)
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Sorry this is coming a bit late, but I'm just now catching up on all my mail
:)

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>Anyway, this is why I think it is awesome for Clark to be called Clark
>Lane Kent (and Lois would be LoisLK, too).  I'm not a fanfic writer
>(just a very satisfied reader!), but if I were, you can bet I'd
>consider having my version of Lois and Clark share each other's last
>names.  I think that Clark would agree to the new name -- He's the
>type of guy who would want his wife to have her individuality, but
>would also want to share the family name with her.  He's traditional,
>yet understanding of Lois's independence.

I've got this idea down on my "Fanfic Ideas" list and will be covering it
some time in the near future, for anyone that is interested :)

Mandy :)
Who thinks Clark wouldn't mind being Clark Lane Kent :)  And who plans to
keep her last name when she gets married because her Dad is the youngest
Crustner son and I'm his only daughter :)
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>I'd like to read some personal stories by you all out there who didn't
>think they could write before they decided they had an L&C story to
tell.
>Me?  I wrote some stories for The Prisoner, and I have worked on several
>newsletters. None of this was paid work but it was good practice.
>
>How about your real-life stories?

        All my life, I've been denying my love for writing. See, my
sister is the "English one", and I am the "math one". I mean this as that
was her favorite school subject and one in which she excelled (Not that
she speaks/writes English and I don't ;o)). By comparing myself to my
sister, I thought I had no talent at writing.

        In 1995, I began writing poetry in my journal. It was more of a
way to release my feelings than a labor of love, but I did it. Looking
back on those poetic attempts, I sometimes laugh at myself. However, I
can still feel the emotions captured in the words. While my sixth grade
poetry may not be a work of art, it is definetly a way of preserving
memories. Within the last year, I've even shown my poetry to friends.
Back when I was writing it, you couldn't have gotten me to do that.

{Poetry Excerpt: How long is forever?/ I guess not very long/ Or maybe
when we said it/ Forever was just wrong/ So I sit here all alone/ My
tears falling like rain/ I am left here by myself/ To deal with all my
pain}

        In 1996, I began writing on the school newspaper. Out of
embarassment (though my advisor called it modesty ;o)), I refused to put
my name on anything I wrote. This same year, I wrote my first short story
as an English assignment. <g> It was something about an evil jacket that
killed the people who wore it. <g> Hey, I was a silly seventh grader, ok?
<g>

{Short Story Excerpt: There have been a lot of deaths lately, the most
memorable of which all occured in the last month. All three victims were
young girls who attended Mandarin Middle School. As a matter of fact, the
three girls were friends with each other, and, of course, friends with
me. Luckily, no one has figured out how I am involved in their deaths.
Let me explain...}

        The next year, as an eighth grader, I began to try harder at
writing. A poem I entered in a school contest placed. I was pretty
excited. Though, looking at it now, it's pretty icky. <g> Also, my
English teacher encouraged me in my essay writing. I started to recieve
higher grades on my essays. One in particular was important enough to me
that I saved it. ;o)

{Essay Excerpt: (Based on the quote: "Influence your future with a
healthy mind. Your destiny is your decision." ~ Katherine Weber) My
future... my destiny... my decision.... All these things belong to me,
but do I know what to do with them? Do I have a "healthy mind"? As the
end of the school year approaches I am expected to make many decisions. I
must choose my classes, my school, and, let's face it, my future. Each
decision must be carefully considered. One little mistake could ruin all
my plans. With all this responsibility resting on my shoulders, I will
try my hardest to keep a healthy mind so my destiny *remains* my
decision.}

        From there, I pretty much got where I am today. I have written
three fanfics (available on the archive), participated in many round
robin stories, organized and written on the teen round robin (Cooking
With The Kents - nominated for a Kerth. Thanks to all who nominated it
;o)), and currently write a column for FoLC Central. I believe my writing
has improved from the time that I was a hesitant girl who secretly wrote
poetry in her journal to now (when I am just a big ol' writing freak
<g>). As you can see, <g> I never *stop* writing now. Look at all I said
in response to one little question! <g>

and Mandy said:
The newsletter FoLC Central was
running a Halloween Short Stories contest and I sat down in like 5
minutes
and wrote, "Let's Have a Super Halloween" a major "fluff" piece with no
substance whatsoever and just a fun little scene about Lois and Clark's
son
picking out a Halloween costume.  I won third place in that contest.  To
some people, third place may not seem like a lot, but to me it was that
push
I needed to decide I really wanted to try my hand at fanfic.

Awwwww! That's great, Mandy! As a FC columnist and subscriber, I can
honestly say I liked your story. :o)

Congrats if you made it this far <g>
Cristin :o)
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I've been reading 'Lois and Clark' fan fiction for a few months, and I =
enjoy most it very much.  I do have one pet hate, tho', and that is =
'death-fic'.  I hate the thought of Lois without Clark and vice versa. =20

Therefore, I have a favour to ask.  Would the kind writers in Folcdom, =
please put deathfic or some kind of warning at the top of the story when =
it is going to have a sad ending, just for 'saps' like me?  If it is =
possible, could the main archive include some kind of warning system as =
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I would be very grateful.

lcfan,

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>I just turned on TNT, and its on!!!  At the same time too!!  I have no
idea why you guys would think that. ::Shrugs her shoulders::

Sambrea
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I second the Motion!!!!!
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One thing I forgot to mention when giving my tastes in books and the like
was a long time interest in Superman in the comics.  I love delving into
all the different ways my favorite guy and his lady have been portrayed
since 1938.  In honor of ATAI, which aired today on TNT, here's a passage
>from Les Daniels' book, DC Comics: Sixty Years of the World's Favorite
Comic Book Heroes (Little, Brown and Co., 1995).

*       *       *

Scholarly fans know that kryptonite, the radioactive substance so menacing
to Superman, was introduced on the Superman radio show in 1945. Kryptonite
was also a key element in the 1948 movie serial Superman, but oddly enough
did not show up in DC's comic books until 1949. This strange state of
affairs suggests that DC resisted the kryptonite concept, only giving in
when the idea had achieved public acceptance on a wide scale. In fact,
little-known evidence exists to prove that DC could have introduced this
menace to Superman much earlier, but instead decided to turn it down.

Around 1939 or 1940,  Superman's creator Jerry Siegel wrote a story that
has never been published. Siegel's typed script still exists, as do pages
of inked and lettered artwork from his partner, Joe Shuster. Siegel's first
caption announced that the tale was "guaranteed to leave you gasping." In
fact, it appears to have caused a few gasps among DC editors, who evidently
decided that they  shouldn't or couldn't publish it.

Siegel radically altered his approach to Superman, and kryptonite was the
least of it. Siegel called it "the K-Metal," a glowing green element from
the planet Krypton, and it caused Clark Kent to collapse in pain.
Discovered by Professor Barnett Winton in Mongolia, the fragment in a lead
box wasn't the big problem, however; a huge kryptonite meteor hurtling past
Earth had completely robbed Superman of his powers.

"I know the meaning of pain," groans Superman, "I must be dreaming!" He
concludes that his crime-fighting career is finished, and expects to die as
Clark when he and Lois Lane are left to suffocate in an abandoned mine
along with a gang of crooks. The meteor moves beyond Earth just in time and
a momentous decision is made. To save Lois, Clark reveals his secret
identity and batters his way out of the mine. The bad guys helpfully kill
each other, but the cat is out of the bag:

Lois (as they streak down out of the sky): How foolish you were not to let
me in on the secret! You should have known could trust me! Why-don't You
realize-I might even be of great help to you?

Superman:     You're right! There were many times when I could have used
the assistance of a confederate. Why didn't I think of it before?

Lois (arms around Superman's neck): Then it's settled!  We're to
be-partners!

Siegel planned this tale to run twenty-six pages, twice as long as most
1940 stories, and that may have been a problem. His portrayal of Superman
experiencing agony and despair for the first time is so dramatic that it
may have caused his editors concern. However, it's most likely that the
idea of letting Lois in on Clark's secret is what kept this story
unpublished.  The duel of wits between the pair would be a key component of
Superman's saga for decades to come.

*       *       *

For me personally, the so-called "duel of wits" would have been no great
loss, and I think it's "sweetly ironic" (as Bill Church, Jr. might say <g>)
 that Siegel's view of Lois was a lot closer to our L&C than to anything
the comics have come up with, even today. They blow hot and cold in the
comics - sometimes Lois is vital, sometimes a pesky little detail - but she
seldom gets to be a *partner.*

Georgia (apologies to the folcs on both lists, and to my long-suffering
friends who've been bored by this story before <g>)
gwalde14@mindspring.com
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In a message dated 99-03-08 17:32:05 EST, you write:

<< Georgia (apologies to the folcs on both lists, and to my long-suffering
 friends who've been bored by this story before <g>)
 gwalde14@mindspring.com >>

No Apologies Nnecessary. I'm a long time Superman Fan. I've been collecting
for 30 years and I've never heard this story before. Thanks.

budmayes@aol.com
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    Hey Elizabeth!
   =20
    I've been reading 'Lois and Clark' fan fiction for a few months, and =
I enjoy most it very much.  I do have one pet hate, tho', and that is =
'death-fic'.  I hate the thought of Lois without Clark and vice versa. =20
    =20
    I sympathise. Deathfic isn't my favorite genre either - although =
there are a good few exceptions to the rule where the emotion transcends =
the maudlin nature of the beast which have made their way into my story =
archive folder on disk.=20
   =20
    Therefore, I have a favour to ask.  Would the kind writers in =
Folcdom, please put deathfic or some kind of warning at the top of the =
story when it is going to have a sad ending, just for 'saps' like me?  =
If it is possible, could the main archive include some kind of warning =
system as well, please.
   =20
    I have often wished for a warning myself when death leaps on me =
unexpectedly from the pages of a fanfic. But the rub is - I think, I =
don't know any of the authors and have never asked them, so this is an =
assumption entirely of my own, you understand <g> - that to post a =
warning in advance is usually to give away a major twist in the =
plotline. I have the feeling that some authors may not wish to tip their =
hand to the reader so soon as the top of the first page and this is why =
most deathfic do not contain them.=20
   =20
    *Personally speaking*, I could do without such plot surprises =
ambushing me out of the darkness and the deathfic I have enjoyed I must =
say were already known to me to be deathfic before I embarked on them. =
So I had entirely myself to blame. But I can understand the author's POV =
too. (Always assuming I'm assuming correctly, of course and they don't =
have entirely different reasons altogether - a sadistic streak for =
instance. :D)
    =20
    LabRat :)
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I've been reading 'Lois and Clark' fan fiction =
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>I sympathise. =
Deathfic isn't my=20
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the rule=20
    where the emotion transcends the maudlin nature of the beast which =
have made=20
    their way into my story archive folder on disk. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Therefore, I have a favour to ask.&nbsp; Would =
the kind=20
    writers in Folcdom, please put deathfic or some kind of warning at =
the top=20
    of the story when it is going to have a sad ending, just for 'saps' =
like=20
    me?&nbsp; If it is possible, could the main archive include some =
kind of=20
    warning system as well, please.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>I have often =
wished for a=20
    warning myself when death leaps on me unexpectedly from the pages of =
a=20
    fanfic. But the rub is - I think, I don't know any of the authors =
and have=20
    never asked them, so this is an assumption entirely of my own, you=20
    understand &lt;g&gt; - that to post a warning in advance is usually =
to give=20
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authors may=20
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first=20
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</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia =
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>*Personally speaking*, I could do =
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deathfic I have=20
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embarked=20
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    author's POV too. (Always assuming I'm assuming correctly, of course =
and=20
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    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>LabRat =
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DGeorgia size=3D2>Doc. Klein's LabRat</FONT></DIV>
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At 02:16 PM 3/7/1999 -0500, Margaret B wrote:

>I will admit that my "disappointment" with season 4 has skewed my
>perceptions.  I've only just come to realize that out of the 22 episodes in
>season 4, Lois and Clark were married for *19* of them!  It didn't seem
>like they'd been together for that many episodes (I'd have guessed half a
>dozen eps at the most<g>).  I guess with all of the times they were in
>other bodies, other minds, other dimensions, in jail, suffering from red
>kryptonite poisoning, and what-have-you, they didn't seem like a married
>couple for all that long;\

Good point. I don't think we got to see them simply enjoying each other
very often. I guess it wasn't "must-see-tee-vee", but I would have liked to
see them play hookey from work and have a late springtime picnic in the
park (preferably Glacier National Park), or visit a fair, or go to a
museum. If there has to be an adventure, let them stumble across it and not
be personally involved or personally in danger. Let the evil villain say,
"Huh, who are *you* two????" Oh, well.

Debby
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in Albuquerque
where the storm that came through last night
did drop a wee bit of snow in the mountains...
and where we *don't want* good weather for a while! :)
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At 05:29 PM 3/7/1999 -0600, Jessi M. wrote:

[snip]

>    Thinking quickly and reacting quickly aren't neccasarily the same
>things.  I know of plenty of people (myself included) who have no
>trouble coming up with a solution fast enough, but if they've got a
>soccer ball coming toward they're face, they better hope that it's not
>going to hit anything too vital, because there's no way they'll react
>fast enough to move.  It appears that with Clark, it's visa versa.  They
>guy can react fast (How many people do you know that react fast enough
>to catch bullets) but his problem solving skills seem to be right down
>on our level.

Good observations. Clark can fly and read at the same time, almost (Madame
X) and he can carry things without dropping them as well as catch things in
mid air. One wonders if it took him long to figure out what he wanted to do
with Lois Lane after he started catching her... ;)

There's a list idea for list makers: list the times & episodes Superman
rescued Lois, Lois rescued Superman, Clark rescued Lois, Lois rescued
Clark, and Clark (said he?) rescued Superman... and "rescue" can be defined
however you want it :)

>Jessi
>jessi914@hotmail.com

Debby
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Hello,

I want to apologize to this week's Featured Writer, Karen Ward, for posting
Wendy Richards Featured Writer's announcement to the listservs as her
announcement.

Mistakes happen and I goofed.

Annie Lansbury :/
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>>I just turned on TNT, and its on!!!  At the same time too!!  I have no
>idea why you guys would think that. ::Shrugs her shoulders::
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>Sambrea

I think the rumor I heard was it was going off tv at the end of the
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Debby wrote:
>I'd like to read some personal stories by you all out there who didn't
>think they could write before they decided they had an L&C story to tell.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't write well, but as I discovered a
couple
of weeks ago, it's more enjoyable than I thought.  I had a nasty cold and I
couldn't go outside to run, or even drive anywhere.  So, I sat at home, and
wrote a few fanfics.  This may explain why in places the stories don't flow
as
well as I would have liked.

Like Mandy, I also kind of got a kick out of research papers.  They were the
only writing that I ever did.  After a while, and a couple of really GREAT
teachers, I actually became quite good at it.  I still love my Power Point.
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At 12:07 PM 3/8/1999 +0000, Wendy Richards wrote:
>Jumping in a little belatedly on this thread... like Margaret, I
>found Season 4 my least favourite. I *hated* the wedding and
>honeymoon episodes,

Oddly enough I didn't actually mind them at the time.  Although,  I will
admit I've never rewatched either a second time.

> and Toy Story and Family Hour were just
>embarrassing to watch.

You got that right!

> Although there are individual episodes I quite
>like in Season 4, it is still the season I least like to re-watch.
>Give me 1 and 2 any day!

There's also some early eps in Season 3 that are great too:)

<snip>
>In 3 and 4, Lois
>was in on the secret - great for some of the earlier Season 3 eps
>where she was shown leaning to come to terms with Clark's other
>identity. But from then on the series seemed to consist of one
>roadblock after another.

Yes, that's one of the things that's bothering me.  Why all the roadblocks?
(I mean from inside the story, forget the studio politics;\)

> I can't even say the Aarghh put me off, as
>when the series was still running I missed the entire thing! Saw
>nothing between Tempus, Anyone and IASWAA.

How'd you manage that?<g>  I watched the Aarrrgh. I actually enjoyed it up
until the end of Seconds.  (I can even understand why Clark stood stunned
in the middle of the street as Lois drove off with Lex at the end of Double
Jeopardy.  I've experienced that kind of emotional shock--action isn't high
on your list of "what to do" at moments like that.  Curling up into the
fetal position seems more appropriate<g>)  I then figured they'd get back
together at the end of Forget Me Not.  Not!  Instead, Clark gets another
one of those "dramatic" emotional shocks:P  (I headed straight for my PC
and sent off a nasty e-mail to ABC.  Not that it had any effect, but it
helped relieve my feelings;)  I actually enjoyed Oedipus Wrecks (even more
so after reading Zoomway's substitution list of characters<g>)  A big part
of my enjoyment was the scene where Lois questions why people are looking
at her strangly and wonders if she's been an ax murderer, or something, and
Clark confesses that he loves Lois and they were engaged.  The
juxtaposition of what Lois feared and the truth was priceless.  (I also
must admit I loved it when Deter almost went off to Tahiti, and Lois
punched Deter in the nose<g>)  When Perry yelled for the calamity train to
stop, I was cheering because maybe this calamitous arc was finally *over*!
I've rewatched EW several times, which is a sure sign I liked it;)

I think it was here that TPTB made another mistake (besides the one where
they prevented L&C from getting married, I mean<g>).  It seemed like they
decided that the best approach for the rest of that season (and the next)
was to put as much pain and suffering into Lois and Clark's life as
possible;p

I can hear those studio execs, now:
Lois can finally remember?  Well, we can't let the viewing public down,
let's make Clark really tiny and unable to have any physical relationship
with Lois.  He survived that?  Shucks!

Well let's just have some evil Kryptonians come down and take him from
Lois.  You say he came back, and beat the bejesus out of those nasty New
Kryptonians?

Okay, let's have some psychopath ruin their wedding.  Dang, you say an
angel came and fixed all that?  Well, we can't have them *happy*, can we?
Let's have Wells come and interrupt their honeymoon!

They managed to get in a honeymoon anyway?  They sure are persistent, ain't
they?  Let's have Lois find out Clark's gonna live forever and get all
upset and melancholy.  They survived that?  Oh, for crying out loud.  What
can we do to make sure they suffer some more?  Well, let's have Lois
convicted of murder and on death row.

She managed to prove her innocence?  Well, galdarnit ain't she the pesky
one!  Let's have them meet some really deadly "friends" with magnetic
personalities.

They weren't as magnetic as all that?  Well, let's have their house haunted
by criminals.  They're not afraid of ghosts?  Okay.  Lemme think a minute.
Okay, let's pretend they're a regular married couple and have them fight.
They didn't?  What?  How'd they manage that?

Okay, I'm really mad, they've asked for it, now.  Make sure some impish
force comes from another dimension and makes them go through hell,
over...and, over...and, over, and....  What do you *mean* they broke the
discouraging cycle!  I'll show *them*!  Have Clark drunk on Red Kryptonite
and unable to control his powers, that ought to do it.  No?!!  Well maybe
they'll suffer more if Superman is exposed as Lois' secret lover.

What?  They managed to survive *that* with their reputations intact?  Well,
let's bring back Tempus and have him suck Clark off into the fourth
dimension, never to return...and just for laughs let's bring in alt-Clark
to show Lois exactly what she's missing<eg>

You mean to tell me Clark survived--that guy has more lives than a cat;p
Let's try someone else.  Hey, we haven't used Jimmy much since the middle
of season 3, let's have someone think he's Superman!

Well, that kind of worked!  Although, there was all that newleywed spew in
there too;p  Hey!  We haven't tortured Lois and Clark in a *whole* episode,
let's have Lex come back.  Can't get Shea?  Shoot.  Okay, let's make it his
clone, no his son, no.... Oh, let the writer's figure it out.  Just tell
'em to make sure Lois and Clark don't communicate.  It'll be great, just
like daytime television.  Everyone loves all that melodrama, remember the
ratings during the non-wedding arc?  Fantastic stuff!

What?  You mean to tell me they survived *that* too?  He froze her again?
Well, they can't get away with that!  Let's have Clark transferred into the
body of a middle-aged guy.  Yeah, that'll be great.  Survived that too, did
they?

Well, they're married now (have been for seventeen episodes), let's have
them trying to have a baby, only they can't because Clark's an alien.
Yeah, that'll be great.  I love this stuff.  If everything works out, we'll
chop off the series just as Lois and Clark are feeling their worst.

WB just called and broke their contract?  Great!  I love it when a plan
comes together!

[And you wonder why I thought season 4 was melancholy<g>]

>But other than the random waffle above, like Margaret I can't quite
>put my finger on what I disliked about Season 4. Yes, a
>higher-than-average number of 'hated' episodes or ones which made me
>cringe with embarrassment. Possibly also a number of eps which simply
>made me wonder 'why bother' - eg Ghosts.

This matches my feelings exactly!  Are you sure we've never met?<g>

> I thought the 'we need some
>friends' start to BACALAC was very forced and false. I don't need to
>add anything about STP - others have voiced the criticism very
>eloquently. I didn't much like AKA Superman (sorry, I know most
>people loved the scene under the table, but I found it embarrassing).

Me too!

Although, I did like the scenes where Lois found out what Clark went
through to maintain his Superman image:)

>MJD/LAC was excellent;

It was just okay for me.  I still can't get past the part about Clark being
exiled to the fourth dimension;p

> the 'Lex Files' trilogy not bad.

I personally hated this arc.  But then again I've always hated Lex.  He
just seemed more "appropriate" as a villain when Lois was single;\

>Compare this to Season 2 for me, and perhaps I am looking at this in
>retrospect: even with the awful villain-of-the-week storylines, I can
>see the gradual build-up from friends to almost-lovers, and it is
>wonderful to watch.

That's what I loved too:)  I think that something that I miss in season 4
is that there was no advancement in the relationship.

Note to all those who *loved* season 4:  If you have great examples of how
their relationship developed in season 4, please share.  Because, me, I
didn't see it happening;p

<snip>
>But I remain quite lukewarm about Season 4 as a whole.

Yep, "lukewarm" just about covers it<g>

Thanks for posting:)

Margaret

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HI Guys!

I was just surfing ebay and noticed on the Lois and Clark stuff for sale
there is a Lois and Clark Crew jacket for sale by the name "coweyhere".
Wasn't cowey the name of the person they thought was Justin Whalin on
that night on mIRC where Dean was said to be there too? (I only know
this cuz of visiting somebodies web page that showed all that was said.)

It's a jacket that he say's was only given to the cast-crew members of
Lois and Clark.
Can't imagine it really being him and that he would sell it on ebay, but
who knows?

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>Hello,

Hi, Annie! :)

>I want to apologize to this week's Featured Writer, Karen Ward, for posting
>Wendy Richards Featured Writer's announcement to the listservs as her
>announcement.
>
>Mistakes happen and I goofed.

If anyone understands that, it's me!!  Don't worry about it -- I didn't. ;)
I was just so excited to be considered in the company of the great writers
featured on your website that it wouldn't have mattered to me what you wrote
in the announcement. ;)

Thanks again for all the fabulous things you've done for FoLCdom! :)

Sincerely,
Karen :)
who's posting this to the list so that everyone will know
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Actually, its last showing will be March12.  A new show, "LA Heat," will be
taking its place.  Time to break out the tapes!!

At 02:06 AM 3/9/99 +0000, you wrote:
>>>I just turned on TNT, and its on!!!  At the same time too!!  I have no
>>idea why you guys would think that. ::Shrugs her shoulders::
>>
>>Sambrea
>
>I think the rumor I heard was it was going off tv at the end of the
>month around the 21st or something.  Of course it was just a rumor . . .
>~ Eilonwy
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In a message dated 3/6/99 7:39:09 PM Central Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<< --no, she *really* said, "When Ching was testing Clark with the dual
bombs,
 he made the point that Clark would not have been able to stop the bombs if
 Lois hadn't given him the idea of 'splitting himself in two.'   One of the
 reasons this incarnation of Superman is so great is that he needs Lois
Lane."
 I wish this weren't true but for the show it was. Lois was the brains of
 the outfit when she was in her right mind. (sigh) >>>>>

Oh, but I think that's the whole point of this version of Superman. If you
want a version where Lois Lane is merely a place holder, there's always the
comic books. She is fairly devalued there <g>  In *this* version however, I
think DJL, right from the pilot, was trying to make the point that Lois
*plus*
Clark equal Superman.  That both are stronger together than apart.  For
example, in the pilot Clark rescued a man in the sewer and the man
recognized
Clark as the man who saved him. Fortunately, everyone thought the man was
delirious.  Lois noticed how messy Clark was and told him to do what she
did,
bring a change of clothes to the Planet. Then later, Clark phoned his
parents
with the idea of needing a disguise.  In Neverending Battle, Clark brought
his
"change of clothes" (Superman costume) to the Planet in a small gym bag.
Even
Superman's first official appearance rescuing the shuttle was due to *both*
Lois and Clark. If Lois hadn't cut the cables causing the countdown to stop,
Clark wouldn't have known it was in trouble.

Also in Neverending Battle, Clark, intimidated by Lex's comments, stopped
being Superman. Lois brought him back. She said that Superman didn't have to
save everyone to prove he was a hero, that what he did was enough, because
it
was the *idea* of Superman that gave everyone hope. In Man of Steel Bars,
Lex
convinced everyone that Superman's "super feats" were causing the winter
heat
wave.  Lois, who had only an unswerving faith in Superman to go by,
disproved
the theory that even Clark had believed.

Clark was also there for Lois when *she* was the one doubting herself.  As
in
The Source and Wall of Sound, "Lois, you are the best reporter in
Metropolis.
You always were, and you always will be."  But much more significant than
that
was what Clark brought out in Lois as a person.  He was quick to encourage
and
support any positive emotion she displayed.  Again, this is easy to see even
in the pilot. When Lois droned on and on with condemnation while they were
chained together, Clark had enough, and freed himself, but when Lois broke
down and became honest, vulnerable and open.  Clark "rechained" himself ;)
Almost a cool metaphor by itself <g>

"I guess when you're in love with somebody, it doesn't matter how smart you
are or how many rules you set for yourself, you're still vulnerable."

That one quote from Clark in the pilot stated almost every truth there was
to
say about Clark himself that would remain true about him throughout the
series.  Clark was definitely smart, but "no *matter* how smart you are
[when
you're in love] you're *still* vulnerable."  Maybe if Clark had never met
Lois
he might have stood a chance of becoming the Sherlock Kent or Clark Einstein
it would have taken to defeat the likes of Lex Luthor.  He would have had
the
unerringly, flawless ability under pressure to make all the right moves,
decisions and choices that would make him the *perfect* hero.   You know,
kind
of like that guy in the comic book ;)

Fortunately for those of us who didn't want a perfect hero, Clark met Lois.
He broke the rules for her, but often, because Lois always protected the
"hero", she tried very hard to keep him from doing that, "but if you help me
by breaking the rules, you're going to damage something you are; a symbol of
decency...of fairness."  She dissuaded him, at least at that point. Clark
would wait, he'd let the criminal justice system have its chance, but when
it
failed, that was it, "I'm taking you out of here." Lois still tried to
dissuade him, "You've spent your life serving justice."  but Clark wouldn't
be
dissuaded this time, "Exactly, and you're innocent, and together we're going
to prove that. Now if that isn't 'serving justice', I don't know what is."
This got back to "being with you is stronger than me alone" (and *together*
we're going to prove that)

Clark not only fell in love with Lois in the pilot, he fell "crazy" in love
with her. It was  clear from the writing and Dean's performance that Clark
was
being portrayed as a man who finally got "bit" by the love bug and had no
clue
how to deal with that. He did the wrong things, he said the wrong things,
and
all the charm he had, and no doubt charm that had not failed him his entire
life, flopped with Lois Lane <g>  He couldn't seem to understand what had
happened to him, he couldn't stop thinking about her. He lurked out front of
Lois' apartment waiting for her to return from her dinner date with Lex.
Then
ran into the alley and floated up to her window to eavesdrop. He probably
couldn't even believe he was behaving that way, but couldn't seem to help
himself either. If the script and acting had been handled less deftly, Clark
might have come off looking like an obsessed stalker <g>

Since the pilot was such a recognizable blueprint for everything that
followed
(writer John McNamara said this as well), it's almost impossible for me not
to
see the pilot and its promises gradually coming true in every season.  I'm
sorry that some fans skip the last chapter, and just as sorry for those who
skip the first, because *every* season contributed to the the story, and no,
not perfectly in any season, but maybe, like Lois, I'm just a little bit
blinded by love ;)

Zoomway@aol.com ("...it's one of the many things that makes your story so
timeless. Why children never tire of hearing it at bedtime, and why parents
never outgrow it ..." ;)
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In response to Elizabeth, LabRat wrote:

> I sympathise. Deathfic isn't my favorite genre either - although
there are a good few exceptions to the rule where the emotion
transcends the maudlin nature of the beast which have made their way
into my story archive folder on disk. <

>> Therefore, I have a favour to ask.  Would the kind writers in
Folcdom, please put deathfic or some kind of warning at the top of the
story when it is going to have a sad ending, just for 'saps' like me?
If it is possible, could the main archive include some kind of warning
system as well, please? <<

> I have often wished for a warning myself when death leaps on me
unexpectedly from the pages of a fanfic. [...] *Personally speaking*, I
could do without such plot surprises ambushing me out of the darkness
and the deathfic I have enjoyed I must say were already known to me to
be deathfic before I embarked on them. <

Well, one possibility, if authors (and maybe the various people who
archive stories, both in the main archive and elsewhere) are agreeable,
is to introduce a system of descriptive codes. This has been done for
other types of fanfics and seems to work okay. The codes might be
something like this:

[DF] Deathfic
[MV] Mild violence
[NG] Next generation, i.e., kids are involved
[RV] Revelation story
[AW] Alternate world story
[EL] Elseworlds
[SM] Soul Mates Chronicles

And so on. BTW, the above codes are only meant to be examples; what
we'd actually use would require a fair amount of thought on
everyone's part as to what is appropriate to indicate.

Labrat may be right to say that authors might object to letting the cat
out of the bag, so to speak, but I wonder -- are there that many
stories that rely so heavily on one big surprise that they would be
ruined if its general nature was known beforehand?

Over to FoLCs in general for discussion.

Phil
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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:07:48 -0500 Margaret Brignell
<brignell@CAPITALNET.COM> wrote:

> This matches my feelings exactly!  Are you sure we've never met?<g>
>
Hey Margaret!! Wonder if we were sisters in some earlier existence?
;)

> >MJD/LAC was excellent;
>
> It was just okay for me.  I still can't get past the part about Clark
being
> exiled to the fourth dimension;p
>
That was bad  :(  - but I do enjoy Tempus (SM apart  :P) ) and I
liked seeing altClark again.

As for Season 3, there were episodes I loved there too (Tempus,
Anyone, for instance... I would rate OP very highly as well were it
not for Spencer Spencer :P). I *hated* WIEAK with a vengeance; not
surprisingly, really, since I'm Irish and WIEAK represented
Hollywood's perception of stage-Oirishness at its very worst. Even
the put-on accents were so false I cringed. Why, when there are so
many talented Irish actors around?

Wendy
(who also loathed that Tom Cruise/Nicole Kidman film... what was it
called?... those accents... eeewwwwww!!!)
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Whew!
I just got done reading this story and it's really good! I cried my eyes out
throughout the whole story!

-Audrey
(who had to come out of lurking just this once!  ;c))
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At 04:50 AM 3/9/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/6/99 7:39:09 PM Central Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM
>writes:
>
><< --no, she *really* said, "When Ching was testing Clark with the dual
bombs,
> he made the point that Clark would not have been able to stop the bombs if
> Lois hadn't given him the idea of 'splitting himself in two.'   One of the
> reasons this incarnation of Superman is so great is that he needs Lois
Lane."
> I wish this weren't true but for the show it was. Lois was the brains of
> the outfit when she was in her right mind. (sigh) >>>>>
>
>Oh, but I think that's the whole point of this version of Superman. If you
>want a version where Lois Lane is merely a place holder, there's always the
>comic books. She is fairly devalued there <g>

[snip remainder]

No, I don't want a version where Lois is devalued; I've never said that and
I hope I've never implied that. It's a false argument.

My argument is that I don't want a version of the tale wherein Clark is
devalued.

It simply doesn't have to be an either/or thing, either Superman is
smarter/wiser/kinder/more human--or Lois is.

I just wanted Clark to show now and then that he has his fair share of
brains. Indeed, I guess I'm one of the few who cheered when Superman saved
himself at the end of Stop The Presses (the only good thing, for me, about
that episode) (though the Presses' idea was clever).

Sometimes it seems that people (particularly TV show writers) think there
are only so many intelligence points to go around. One person has to have
them (say, the wise-cracking kid) while another is sorely lacking (the
put-upon dad). In L&C it seems that giving a few more intelligent points
(or any at all) to Clark meant that an equal number (or more) had to be
subtracted from Lois's share, in which case she reverted to wacky.  Whoopee.

As for the comics, I hardly ever read them unless the story looks very good
and the art is tollerable. I liked the Mxy story in the recent Giant
Annual: Lois was an equal partner in that one and the whole story was
hillarious.

The opposite of either/or is, of course, sharing: Twas the Night Before Mxy
is my favorite episode of season 4 and among my top ten for the series
because it showed CK standing up to one of the, if not the most powerful
villains he's ever faced. Further it showed that he was also smart enough
to know he needed help.  He didn't show this wisdom often enough for me.
TNBM went on to confirm that L&C not only can work very well together but
that they are stronger together, they can save the world, and, who knows,
maybe even inspire Utopia. They are an unbeatable duo using the strengths
they each possessed, without the need for one to be dull and the other
sharp.

All I want out of any show is inspirational use of intelligence by
characters we know and love. A character's failure to use brains and common
sense simply because the A plot demands it isn't, IMO, a good thing for
anyone.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
high maintenance fan :)
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In a message dated 3/7/99 1:39:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, debby@SWCP.COM
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<<
 I wish this weren't true but for the show it was. Lois was the brains of
 the outfit when she was in her right mind. (sigh) >>

I wouldn't go this far.  After all Superman did 'pass' the earlier two tests
without her help.  And the final solution is all Clark/Superman.

In the current comics, Superman is acting crazy (although personally I don't
think  he's done anything out of line and suspect Lex is behind it) and I am
hoping the writer's will make use of Lois Lane's investigative capabilities
in
the plotlines resolution.  If not, I will have to do it for them with my
personal ending.  You see I won't let anyone mess around with my Superman.

Superman/Clark Kent needs someone on his side and I don't think this is
necessarily a bad thing even if they did go a bit overboard in the TV show
which I understand was supposed to star and focus on Terri as Lois Lane.
Thank godness they chose Dean as Superman - not Nicholas Cage - Ughhh!! -
good
actor or not he is not Superman.

Charlotte
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In a message dated 3/6/99 3:02:07 AM !!!First Boot!!!, debby@SWCP.COM
writes:

<<
 I'm glad there are a whole lot of good fanfic writers whose work is worth
 reading and rereading :) I bet a good percentage of them didn't realize
 they could write, either, before they sat down to put into words what they
 feel about this show. >>

This is so true.  All my life I told myself partial stories in my head,
daydreams they were.  But I always felt I would never be able to make a real
story with a beginning and an end until I found Lois and Clark, based as it
is
on Superman, my lifelong Superhero, the first and still the best.

When I was invited me to join an internet Superman/Lois and Clark based
listserv,  I said yes without realizing it was a writing group.  But I was
committed so I gave it a try.

I've had a great time writing.  And I discovered I can write real plots if
required for the story. The stories are short, sometimes with not even
requiring an A plot but they are all great fun.  And somehow it all works.

One thing, I once wrote to the discussion group(s) that we put a lot of our
own experiences into reading, watching plays, TV, movies, looking at
paintings, etc. (the entire spectrum of the arts).  I find this is true of
writing as well.  I'm not saying you have to have actually experienced
something to write about it, but all your life experiences help you to write
and understand the arts.

I read and love Heaven's Prisoners (and by the way  I do indeed reread it
over
and over along with other pieces of fanfiction - Dawning is not alone)
because
I understand grief probably more intimately than most of you do (and yes,
Demi, the pivitol events in that story could happen, I know!)

Even my chemical librarian background helps me write.  Science lives in
literature!  And in one story I wrote I 'traveled' to all the wonderful
places
>from human history and culture that I read about and have always wanted to
see.

I use so many things from my long life, things I've experienced, things I've
learned, things I've read and things I believe in.  That makes in my stories
uniquely mine.  And I see in others' literature different experiences and
values coming in to play. This adds so much to the richness of the
experience
of both reading and writing.

I think that's why we who love a limited 88 episode TV show can produced
upwards of a thousand pieces of literature about it.  That and the fact that
I
am thoroughly committed to the principle embodied in the Archive's motto:

"Fan fiction is a way of the culture repairing the damage done in a system
where contemporary myths are owned by corporations instead of owned by the
folk."
Henry Jenkins
Director of media studies at MIT

I use my literature to protect my Superhero from those who would change him
into some kind of a God.  Maybe that's why the Wedding ARC doesn't bother me
as much as it does some of you.  My Superman is not a perfect being, but
rather a mortal with insecurities, who sometimes 'makes the wrong decision
for
the right reason'  (That came from a piece of fanfiction I read, not certain
which one right now-maybe the Gorn's)  Even if Clark's reasons for letting
Lois go with Lex at the end of the second installment were not valid, he
only
had a few seconds to make it and, hey, like Zoom put it so wonderfully,
*you*
try and make the right decision all the time.  Hindsight is always perfect,
but no decision would ever be made if we all waited until we were certain
it's
the right one.

So I can relate to the writers who had to write no doubt with a deadline and
with direction from TPTB to extend the ARC through 5, admittedly
excruciating
at limes painful, episodes.  I tend to focus on the wonderful moments they
managed to include in the ARC.

A little local ps here.  One of the people on the Superman newsgroup (KAL-
ELFan - I think - apoligies if I'm wrong) wote about the drop in ratings and
he indicated it did not happen immediately after the ARC so that was
probably
not the sole reason if it was the reason at all.  I personally think ABC
killed the show with it's shifting of time periods, etc.  That will mess up
even a hit - rather like killing the proverbial goose (And what a wonderful
creature this goose was).  Pardon me while I go cry a few tears.

Charlotte

In conclusion, re writing (pardon my (nonexistent French) Vive Le
Difference!.

Charlotte
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In a message dated 3/7/99 12:07:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Zoomway@AOL.COM
writes:

<< This was not and would not have been the final
 episode planned for the series, but it's very ironic that all of the loose
 ends, though not tied, ended on notes of hope, rather than despair. >>

Not ironic Zoom, wonderful.

Thanks for a really wonderful post.
We need to appreciate what we have/had - not what might have been and maybe
that is what life is all about.

Charlotte
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In a message dated 3/8/99 5:16:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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>
>  Mistakes happen and I goofed.
>

That's okay, Annie... happens to the best of us!  I'm sure no one took it
personally.  You do so much for us, with the Writer's Showcase, that it was
inevitable you make a mistake at some point... shows you're human, and
that's
why we luv ya ;)

-Crys-
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In a message dated 3/7/99 3:04:32 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
brignell@CAPITALNET.COM
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<<
 I was wondering if it had anything to do with whether or not you like
 watching daytime soaps.  Does anyone who *loved* seasons 3 and 4 *not* like
 soap opera?  And, on the other hand, does anyone who found season 3 and 4
 kind of melancholy actually *love* soap opera?  Inquiring minds want to
know;)

 Margaret
 trying to find order in chaos;) >>

Me.  I loved all four seasons including 3&4 and I never watch soap operas.

<<Many of us loved Star Trek and read science fiction regularly, but being
sci-fi fans
should have made us love early Season 2--which was okay, but not what I
watched L&C for.>>

You described me and my feelings about season 2 perfectly, Sheila.

Thanks,

Charlotte
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Hi FoLCs:

TNT just posted their schedule for L&C and it appears that after 3/14, it
will only be on at the Sunday morning time!

This is really sad news and I don't understand why they are making a change
mid-season, so to speak.  I suppose it is better than taking it off
altogether but I will really miss my daily dose, even though it had been
difficult to make it home in time.

Also, I had been looking forward to retaping THOL with the fixed closing
credits.  Now it seems unlikely that they will be showing that again
anytime at all.

Would an e-mail campaign help, do you think?

Thanks,
Carolyn
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Hi everybody,
Just wanted to say thank you to all of you kind people out there who =
offered to proof read for me.  I'm really grateful for all your help.
Sarah Sandberg
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A discovered a website earlier where you can vote e for all kids of
things.
http://www.freevote.com
They did not have Dean's name mentioned under best voice so I added it,
so everyone, go and vote at least 10 times each and get his name up in
the top 10

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Zoom wrote:

>Since the pilot was such a recognizable blueprint for everything
>that followed
>(writer John McNamara said this as well), it's almost impossible
>for me not to
>see the pilot and its promises gradually coming true in every season.  I'm
>sorry that some fans skip the last chapter, and just as sorry for those who
>skip the first, because *every* season contributed to the the
>story, and no,
>not perfectly in any season, but maybe, like Lois, I'm just a little bit
>blinded by love ;)
>
>Zoomway@aol.com ("...it's one of the many things that makes your story so
>timeless. Why children never tire of hearing it at bedtime, and why parents
>never outgrow it ..." ;)

What a beautiful post, Zoom.  <waffy sigh>  All the things you said in it,
especially these last two paragraphs, really detailed all of the reasons
*why* I'm so in love with the show and, even more so, its characters.  I
tend to look at the show as a whole, instead of its parts (i.e. season one
or two, etc).  I know that the character development and the love we have
for those characters would not have been quite as complete without any of
its parts, both the "good" and the "bad".  And even though the show may not
always be in reruns, it will always live on in my tapes <bg>  and forever in
my heart.  ;)

Thanks for the post, Zoom.  :)

Erin
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Hi guys,

On an unrelated topic, I heard a rumour that Christopher Reeves is
coming to Hamilton, Ontario, Canada to do a charity event.  Has anyone
heard anything more about this?
Irene

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In a message dated 3/9/99 7:38:04 AM Central Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM
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<< It simply doesn't have to be an either/or thing, either Superman is
 smarter/wiser/kinder/more human--or Lois is. >>

Exactly,  Lois *and* Clark are Superman. He, as a hero, has *both* their
wisdom. Both Lois and Clark are stronger as a *team*.

>>>I just wanted Clark to show now and then that he has his fair share of
brains. Indeed, I guess I'm one of the few who cheered when Superman saved
himself at the end of Stop The Presses (the only good thing, for me, about
that episode) (though the Presses' idea was clever).<<<<

Superman can always look smart if the villain takes no provocative action
when
he/she /they have the upper hand.  That is, if they just *stand* there as
the
Press brothers did <g>  They made no move while that silo was *slowly*
irising
open. Heck, I could have beaten them in that case, "Stand still while I save
myself!" ;) Superman wasn't smart, so much as *lucky* that the Press
brothers
were temporarily put in a state of suspended animation <g>

>>>Sometimes it seems that people (particularly TV show writers) think there
are only so many intelligence points to go around. One person has to have
them (say, the wise-cracking kid) while another is sorely lacking (the
put-upon dad). In L&C it seems that giving a few more intelligent points
(or any at all) to Clark meant that an equal number (or more) had to be
subtracted from Lois's share, in which case she reverted to wacky.
Whoopee.<<<

Or it just might be that no one is Einstein 24/7.  Not even Einstein.  Lois
was intelligent, yet for two years she had hints dropped on her as subtly as
ACME anvils that Clark and Superman were/are the same guy, but didn't figure
it out till the end of those two years. Sometimes keeping Lois in the dark
about Clark's secret caused the writers to make Lois seem incredibly dense.
However, that was the traditional "joke" from half a century's worth of
comic
books the writers had to deal with. Long before Tempus intoned, "How *dumb*
was she?" fans were howling the same thing for two years.  Lois tells
*Clark*
that the only way she knows how to really get Superman's attention is to
fall
out of a window. Clark trots off and a few seconds later Superman appears
telling her she doesn't have to fall out of any windows to get his attention
<g> "Hello? Duh!" ;)

The point is, sometimes Lois and Clark were smart and sometimes not so
smart,
just like most other people.  However, they were *never* unswervingly
brilliant.  In the much decried world of television writing, sometimes how
well they clicked or how poorly was definitely a matter of contrivance, just
as Clark's "ping pong" table being there for one episode to accommodate a
sight gag, or the *entire* honeymoon suite rearranging itself not only
between
the time Lois was first there compared to when she was there with Clark
(what
*did* happen to that sunken bathtub facing the window? ;) but also
rearranged
itself *within* the episode.  Was the writer sneering at us? The set
director?
I don't think so, because guess what, I never noticed that darn suite got
constantly rearranged until someone pointed it out <g>

Maybe that means I'm the one who is galatically stupid, but having some
pride,
I prefer to think that I had so much fun watching Lois and Clark, that
everything else blurred in the background <g>  I enjoyed Honeymoon in
Metropolis *despite* the haunted suite with its magically rearranging decor,
and the lousy special effects (Superman looking like an action figure
swirling
in a toilet bowl on a string when he fights the tsunami ;)  Which reminds me
of another character that often ran hot and cold in the "smarts" department
depending on the writer, and that was Cat Grant. However, since I liked Lois
more than Cat, I can't tell you how glad I am that Cat got stuck with the
line
about a tsunami being some type of avocado dish <g>

>>>He didn't show this wisdom often enough for me.<<<

I never saw Clark as stupid or lacking wisdom.  He did make the wrong
judgment
calls now and then, but everyone does.  He was *human* in that department,
despite being a "strange visitor".  Clark was far from being a sage in any
season, so I don't know what was expected of him.  I mean had he been truly
brilliant episode after episode (assuming that wouldn't become dull) I could
understand your point of view, but Clark made mistakes in every season and
was
bested by Lex almost every other episode the first season.

Sometimes, it could seem Clark was smart or intuitive (at least to Lois) in
an
episode like Strange Visitor because he used his super hearing listening to
the tumblers click, or Pheromone, My Lovely simply because he was about the
only one left to think clearly <g> For me, though, it was Clark's *heart*
and
not his brain that more defined him and always did.  In Man of Steel Bars,
for
example, I didn't think of him as *stupid* for believing the data that his
super feats were causing the heat wave. For Clark, just the mere thought
that
it could be true and that he could be hurting people was enough.  Had Clark
Kent and Superman truly been two separate people, Clark wouldn't have left.
He'd have stayed there with Lois and helped figure out the truth, but
because
they *were* the same men, he had to leave.  He left, not because he was
dumb,
but because he cared.

>>>All I want out of any show is inspirational use of intelligence by
characters we know and love. A character's failure to use brains and common
sense simply because the A plot demands it isn't, IMO, a good thing for
anyone.<<<

I hope you find that TV show.  I'm into my sixth year watching The X-Files,
and though I enjoy it, sometimes the characters can seem incredibly stupid,
and not just due to the convenience of a plot device, but because they're so
narrowly locked into their character parameters (Skully as the skeptic, for
example) that maintaining that confining definition sometimes makes them
look
and sound like idiots.  My favorite "Scully the skeptic" moment happened in
the episode Unruhe where a woman gets her picture taken. The woman is
smiling.
She's against a plain background. When the photo is developed, however, the
woman is grimacing in horror and surrounded by demons.  Scully's
explanation?
The film was past it's expiration date and kept too close to the heater! <g>
In fairness to poor Scully, even she seemed galled by that explanation ;)

I've watched a lot of television, and not just because it's part of my job,
but like most everyone else, I grew up in an era where television was always
there.  In all that time (and we're talking a *lot* of years ;) I never
found
a TV show where the characters were perfect.  They made mistakes, sometimes
incredibly stupid mistakes, they said the wrong things, or did the wrong
things, or misinterpreted each other.  I can't imagine personally wanting a
show filled with either perfect androids or Stephord Wife type
characterization.  I'm not sure what the appeal would be in something like
that.  Then again, I never went in search of a perfect show.  Perfection in
anything being impossible, the word itself becomes subjective.  Perfect then
becomes what you, I, or anyone else deems "perfect" to be.  That being the
case, then I'll paraphrase Lois, "I'm watching the show that I love -- it
*is*
pefect."  <g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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>hi!

Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is the
point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both kind
of stopped watching them, since we've both seen almost every one of them
(though to tell you the truth, these days, she has a lot less free time
than I do).  I'm getting to the point where I just don't see a reason to
watch it every day!

Sambrea
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>>hi!
>
>Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is the
>point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both
kind
>of stopped watching them, since we've both seen almost every one of
them
>(though to tell you the truth, these days, she has a lot less free time
>than I do).  I'm getting to the point where I just don't see a reason
to
>watch it every day!
>
>Sambrea
>
Hey Everyone!
Saw this post and I just had to express my opinion!  I guess I watch it
everyday because I'm kind of addicted in a way.  I don't have them taped
and I need my fix every once and a while!  Well, my free time is running
a little bit low too.  My work load knows just the way to sneek up on me
at the worst of times.  Another reason I like to watch it everyday is
because for me it's a good time of day to sit down and relax after a
long day and have a snack or dinner.  I usually have softball around 6
so it's my relaxation time.  It's still the best show on tv.  Atleast
that is my opinion.  I'm sorry for being kind of up front with my
opinion but, I guess I find the show more interesting everytime that I
watch it.  If you are bored of watching it you aren't analyzing or being
as observant as you can.  Sorry for being kind of rude!  Talk to all of
you soon!
~Eilonwy

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At 04:10 PM 3/9/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 3/9/99 7:38:04 AM Central Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM
>writes:

>>>>I just wanted Clark to show now and then that he has his fair share of
>brains. Indeed, I guess I'm one of the few who cheered when Superman saved
>himself at the end of Stop The Presses (the only good thing, for me, about
>that episode) (though the Presses' idea was clever).<<<<
>
>Superman can always look smart if the villain takes no provocative action
when
>he/she /they have the upper hand.  That is, if they just *stand* there as
the
>Press brothers did <g>  They made no move while that silo was *slowly*
irising
>open. Heck, I could have beaten them in that case, "Stand still while I
save
>myself!" ;) Superman wasn't smart, so much as *lucky* that the Press
brothers
>were temporarily put in a state of suspended animation <g>

Oh, darn, sorry, I thought I'd found one case where he saved himself using
his own resources. I thought that the brothers, seeing him regaining his
strength (because they knew he could do so rapidly) were too afraid to
approach him. I know of animal control people who wouldn't aproach an
already drugged small black bear until she was totally unconscious. Maybe
the brothers were just stupid and not cautious, and once again Superman was
just lucky, not smart. So... Never mind.

>>>>Sometimes it seems that people (particularly TV show writers) think
there
>are only so many intelligence points to go around. One person has to have
>them (say, the wise-cracking kid) while another is sorely lacking (the
>put-upon dad). In L&C it seems that giving a few more intelligent points
>(or any at all) to Clark meant that an equal number (or more) had to be
>subtracted from Lois's share, in which case she reverted to wacky.
>Whoopee.<<<
>
>Or it just might be that no one is Einstein 24/7.  Not even Einstein.

Not even Superman one day out of seven sometimes :(

>Lois
>was intelligent, yet for two years she had hints dropped on her as subtly
as
>ACME anvils that Clark and Superman were/are the same guy, but didn't
figure
>it out till the end of those two years.

Yeah, she really was a stupid, blind person. L&C sure belong together...

[snip]

>The point is, sometimes Lois and Clark were smart and sometimes not so
smart,
>just like most other people.

Yeah, give me Rob and Laura, that's what I tuned in for... :(

>However, they were *never* unswervingly brilliant.

That's the truth! Tell it, Zoomway!

>In the much decried world of television writing, sometimes how
>well they clicked or how poorly was definitely a matter of contrivance
[snip]
>Was the writer sneering at us? The set director?
>I don't think so, because guess what, I never noticed that darn suite got
>constantly rearranged until someone pointed it out <g>

I don't start noticing sets, dress colors or the inconsistencies unless the
story bores me and encourages my mind wander.

>...Which reminds me
>of another character that often ran hot and cold in the "smarts" department
>depending on the writer, and that was Cat Grant. However, since I liked
Lois
>more than Cat, I can't tell you how glad I am that Cat got stuck with the
line
>about a tsunami being some type of avocado dish <g>

I liked Cat and think she was criminally under and mis used. It must be
hard for TV writers focusing on action to write for more than one woman at
a time. A Tracy Scoggins fan on another list noted that as much as they
dumbed down Cat, she still came off as more interesting than Lois...

>>>>He didn't show this wisdom often enough for me.<<<
>
>I never saw Clark as stupid or lacking wisdom.  [snip]

We agree to disagree about how brilliant he should have acted and how often
Superman was bested by Lex or by the common criminal on the street.

[snip]

>
>>>>All I want out of any show is inspirational use of intelligence by
>characters we know and love. A character's failure to use brains and common
>sense simply because the A plot demands it isn't, IMO, a good thing for
>anyone.<<<
>
>I hope you find that TV show.

I find "7 Days" fascinating. Millennium has fallen on hard times and no new
Due South episodes are being made :(

[snip Xfiles references]

[snip your interesting thoughts on TV history]

>...I can't imagine personally wanting a
>show filled with either perfect androids or Stephord Wife type
>characterization.

Neither can I and, *amazingly!* I've never, ever said that's what I wanted!
:D :D :D Small world, huh?

I just want characters who learn and grow and seem as real as possible to
me, even when one of them can fly and is super strong and the other one has
a heart of gold shielded by a tough exterior.

It's now up to fanfic :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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:::comes out of lurking::: ;) whoo hoo <g>

Hiya everyone :)

> Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is the
>  point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both
kind
>  of stopped watching them, since we've both seen almost every one of them
>  (though to tell you the truth, these days, she has a lot less free time
>  than I do).  I'm getting to the point where I just don't see a reason to
>  watch it every day!
*** I just felt I had to respond, since I am one of those people.
I watch it every day and I never get tired of it, maybe one day I will, but
no
I don't think so ;o).  I was a late bloomer to Lois and Clark and watch it
every chance I get.  I have a few more to tape and then I have a complete
set,
yay ;), and I'm still going to watch it on TNT until it's off :(  I can say
that I am addicted and  need my fix every day :)  I usually do my homework
while it's on and I don't realize that I'm doing it cause I'm doing
something
fun and it gets done faster.  I honestly don't see anything wrong with
watching it everyday.  Sometimes it's that one thing that makes my day, when
I'm not having a good one, other times I'm just in the mood to see Dean in
tights or w/o a shirt <g>, sometimes I feel like crying and watch a certain
ep
and times when I'm just in that 'lovey dovey' kind of mood ;)  I'm always in
one mood or another  and it just makes me happy.

Liz
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Just to let you guys in on what's probably going on....Everytime a show
goes into syndication they are bought for a typical three year run or
they can run every episode six times and then their contract will
expire...Therefore they can either buy back the rights or they can just
give the producers the rights to sell the show in other markets. Right
now TNT is probably in their last run of the show and want to cut back
viewing time so they can hold on for a few more months...If they feel
that the show was a success on the network they will buy it back if
not...who knows it could always turnup on another network!! :-)  Any
other questions just let me know....I'm a TV Broadcast Major! SO I might
be able to help!!

>From: Eilonwy Jamison <astro_dwarf@HOTMAIL.COM>
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>Subject: Re: L&C on TNT
>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 23:11:19 GMT
>
>>>hi!
>>
>>Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is
the
>>point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both
>kind
>>of stopped watching them, since we've both seen almost every one of
>them
>>(though to tell you the truth, these days, she has a lot less free
time
>>than I do).  I'm getting to the point where I just don't see a reason
>to
>>watch it every day!
>>
>>Sambrea
>>
>Hey Everyone!
>Saw this post and I just had to express my opinion!  I guess I watch it
>everyday because I'm kind of addicted in a way.  I don't have them
taped
>and I need my fix every once and a while!  Well, my free time is
running
>a little bit low too.  My work load knows just the way to sneek up on
me
>at the worst of times.  Another reason I like to watch it everyday is
>because for me it's a good time of day to sit down and relax after a
>long day and have a snack or dinner.  I usually have softball around 6
>so it's my relaxation time.  It's still the best show on tv.  Atleast
>that is my opinion.  I'm sorry for being kind of up front with my
>opinion but, I guess I find the show more interesting everytime that I
>watch it.  If you are bored of watching it you aren't analyzing or
being
>as observant as you can.  Sorry for being kind of rude!  Talk to all of
>you soon!
>~Eilonwy
>
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Hi FoLCs,

This message is for anyone who's interested in seeing Teri in Cabaret
in Chicago, and *isn't* planning to go with the group of FoLCs on July
13 (the FoLC group will be getting a good news email from me very
shortly ;)  Everyone else can hit the delete key now <g>

A few small blocks (some may be only one or two seats) of Cabaret
tickets
have been released for early sale, beginning tomorrow, Wednesday,
March 10.
Officially, tickets don't go on sale until Friday, March 12, but this
is a
special promotion through a Chicago department store, Carson Pirie
Scott.
The only performances available are:  June 15, June 24, and July 1, at
7:30
pm., June 26, June 27, and July 4 at 2:00 pm., and July 3 at 1:30 pm.

The tickets have to be ordered through Ticketmaster by *phone* at:
312-902-1500.  I believe that you need to have a Carson Pirie Scott
charge
card to place an order.  You can't order through the Ticketmaster
website.

I don't know how many tickets are available or how good the seats are.
There are seating charts for the Shubert Theater on Ticketmaster's
site (search under Cabaret and Illinois to get there) at:

http://events.ticketmaster.com/

What's being sold are the "odd lots" of leftover seats at the
performances originally
earmarked for theater's season subscribers.

Please don't contact me to buy these "early sale" tickets--I don't
have them.  They can only be purchased from Ticketmaster.  Since I got
the information about them when I phoned the Shubert this afternoon, I
thought I'd pass it on to the rest of the FoLCs  :)

Pat

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Margaret, you devil! <G> Your description of TPTB's lousy logic in 3rd an=
d 4th
seasons has me ROTFL - and I'm in an internet cafe for crying out loud!!!=
!

Debra G - who's been having a really lousy day what with my cold and all,=
 and
found your post just the thing to make me forget it for a few minutes. Th=
anks
Margaret!

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On  9 Mar 99 at 23:11, Eilonwy Jamison wrote:

> >Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is the

> Hey Everyone!
> Saw this post and I just had to express my opinion!  I guess I watch it
> everyday because I'm kind of addicted in a way.  I don't have them taped
> and I need my fix every once and a while!  Well, my free time is running
> a little bit low too.  My work load knows just the way to sneek up on me
> at the worst of times.  Another reason I like to watch it everyday is
> because for me it's a good time of day to sit down and relax after a
> long day and have a snack or dinner.  I usually have softball around 6
> so it's my relaxation time.  It's still the best show on tv.  Atleast
> that is my opinion.  I'm sorry for being kind of up front with my
> opinion but, I guess I find the show more interesting everytime that I
> watch it.  If you are bored of watching it you aren't analyzing or being
> as observant as you can.  Sorry for being kind of rude!  Talk to all of
> you soon!

I found this *very* rude.

My husband (who, as most of you know, I met through #loiscla) and I
still love the show, and on days when one or the other of us actually
get home in time to watch it, it's a real treat.  Of course, we have
them all on tape, so we can watch whenever we want (and we have,
occasionally), but it's still special to see it "live" on TV.

However, we have lives.  We have jobs, we have other interests, we
have a lot of other shows we like to watch.  We also don't see the
need for "analyzing or be as observant as you can".  Why?  It was an
*incredible* show, and it was a big part of our lives, but like with
life, you have to keep moving.

I still enjoy the fanfic, and the discussions about both the fanfic
and the various themes that ran through the shows, or character
motivation or actions.  And I won't give up either this list or
LOISCLA, the main listserv.  But I wouldn't *dream* of
accusing anybody of not having a life or of spending too much
time obsessing over this show.  The same way I wouldn't  "condemn"
someone who watches only occasionally---we are all entitled to
live our own lives.  But I am truly offended at your statement.

Barbara
Proud to say she started taping with the original pilot airing.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"On the Run," by Plan9Live, and nominated in the Best Series category,
is now available in one large file (800KB) on the web, or in a zipped
file for easy downloading.  Of course, it is still available on Zoom's
message boards and the fanfic newsgroup in fifty or sixty smaller parts
as well.

It is available through Kerth Nominated Story List at
<http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Kerths/kerth99.html>

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Cliff Englert wrote:

> >hi!
>
> >>Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is
> the
> point of that?  Me and my friend both like the series, but we've both
> kind
> of stopped watching them, since we've both seen almost every one of
> them
> (though to tell you the truth, these days, she has a lot less free
> time
> than I do).  I'm getting to the point where I just don't see a reason
> to
> watch it every day!<<

I guess for me, it's like listining to a favorite song. You could do
that everyday even a few times a day. True you would probably get a
little of it after a while and need to put it away for a while, but LnC
is like a song that has 4 seasons to it! so it's really really long and
by the
the time you get to the end of it, your ready to 'listen' to the
beginning again!<g>  but when you listen to this 'song' it just gives
you a great feeling, stirs up your emotions, and it's just nice to have
on while your doing things in the house! LnC is kinda like this for me.

I personally haven't watched an LnC ep for a while cuz I've been really
busy, but when I do, its  just sort of comforting to turn it on and see
their faces. Like looking of pictures of great friends that I miss.  I
guess if I didn't have them taped or the ability to tape them I would
still be watching them everyday to get my fix, knowing that it may be
the last time.;) But I have the security of my little tape collection
and I know that I can pull them out whenever I want to.  It may get old
for me at some point in time, who knows? I've gotten a little more
into Xfiles and Xfic lately, but I don't think anything will ever be the
same as LnC for me! It was just very special and always will be. The
characters will always remain "old friends"

Also I must say that, personally, I ound no reason to be offended by any
of these comments. Sambrea was just asking a question out of curiosity
as to why we all continue to watch it over and over agian, and Eilonwy
was very nice and was just saying that possibly if somebody is bored
with the show, maybe they aren't watching it closely enough. Which is
just an oppinion. I dont' agree, I feel that you are only gonna wanna do
that *if* you like it enough and *if* it's that important to you.But I
saw so intent of rudness. She even apologized right off for being
upfront with her feelings and said sorry for being kind of rude. Which
shocked me when I read it cuz I didnt' think she was being rude. It's
just a discussion and i'm sure nothing was intended.

oh well! ;)

jme.....who sincerely hopes that nobody has any hurt feelings
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>> Hey Everyone!

>I found this *very* rude.

I'm so sorry I sounded rude, but i think you might have misinterpreted
what I was trying to get acrossed.

>My husband (who, as most of you know, I met through #loiscla) and I
>still love the show, and on days when one or the other of us actually
>get home in time to watch it, it's a real treat.  Of course, we have
>them all on tape, so we can watch whenever we want (and we have,
>occasionally), but it's still special to see it "live" on TV.

I too love the show with all my heart and don't watch it everyday.  I
try to but I have a life also and find it special to watch it live when
I 'm given the gift of free time.

>However, we have lives.  We have jobs, we have other interests, we
>have a lot of other shows we like to watch.  We also don't see the
>need for "analyzing or be as observant as you can".  Why?  It was an
>*incredible* show, and it was a big part of our lives, but like with
>life, you have to keep moving.
>
>I still enjoy the fanfic, and the discussions about both the fanfic
>and the various themes that ran through the shows, or character
>motivation or actions.  And I won't give up either this list or
>LOISCLA, the main listserv.  But I wouldn't *dream* of
>accusing anybody of not having a life or of spending too much
>time obsessing over this show.  The same way I wouldn't  "condemn"
>someone who watches only occasionally---we are all entitled to
>live our own lives.  But I am truly offended at your statement.

I wasn't trying to condemn anyone in my email, but I might have on
accident.  The people I was repling to said they were getting bored of
watching the show over and over again, at least that's how I
interpretted it, so I gave a few suggestions to them to make it more
interesting.  For me I watch it because I find it comforting, something
that is always constant in my changing life.  Again I'm so sorry I hurt
anyone's feelings with my post and I mean that as sincerly as possible.
I'm sorry again and i'll try to keep my opinions that are kind of
abnormal to myself until I can back some else's post up.  Well, I think
it's time for a break!  Talk to y'all later!

~ Eilonwy

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In a message dated 3/10/99 12:18:08 AM Central Standard Time,
astro_dwarf@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< Again I'm so sorry I hurt
 anyone's feelings with my post and I mean that as sincerly as possible.
 I'm sorry again and i'll try to keep my opinions that are kind of
 abnormal to myself until I can back some else's post up.  Well, I think
 it's time for a break!  Talk to y'all later!
  >>

This isn't a "list mom" post since I'm not the list mom of the fanfic list,
so
you don't have to listen to me (yea! ;)  but at first I did think it was
happening on LOISCLA (the other  list..the one that crashes a lot ;)  I
think
the thread got off on the wrong foot with the initial post.  Someone asking
"What's the point?" (of watching every day) may have sounded unintentionally
adversarial. When something is worded in the negative, it often receives a
defensive or combative response because no one wants to feel that the time
they personally spend enjoying the show is "pointless".

I reread all the posts in the thread.  I don't think Eilonwy was
deliberately
trying to hurt or flame anyone since most of her post was basically stating
her reasons for watching the show every day.  The last part is what could be
interpreted in the same vein as the original post and she apologized.  The
safest approach is to read over your reply before you hit "send" and look
for
phrasing that could be easily misinterpreted as a "flame".

Again, none of this is "official" list mom stuff, just advice to try and
stop
the hurt feelings from spreading.

Zoomway@aol.com
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Well, not I've missed the boat again..........I just read about "Naked
Nashville" being shown months ago and I
never even knew..... duh!  I've ordered the book "Three Cords & the Truth".
but would love to see Miss M in
action. again.  To repeat a well known phrase from me..................Do
anyone tape it?  ......and Can I get a
copy?
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In a message dated 3/9/99 10:28:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK writes:

<<
 Labrat may be right to say that authors might object to letting the cat
 out of the bag, so to speak, but I wonder -- are there that many
 stories that rely so heavily on one big surprise that they would be
 ruined if its general nature was known beforehand?

 Over to FoLCs in general for discussion.

 Phil
 ---------------- >>
absolutely not.  Personally I always read the ending first. Sorry all you
mystery lovers but to me the journey is the point not the destination.  And
if
the destination is not what I want it to be, I won't make the journey.

Maybe that's why I love long, involved sagas and I guess that's why I
won't/can't read a lot of continuing stories as they come out until they are
somewhat complete.

Dawning is an exception as is any story in which each individual episode has
a
mini-resolution.

I did however skip to later Dawning episodes twice.  The first was when I
had
to read the revelation before continuting.  The second was to Dawning 21
after
I read 18+ Sorry Debby - I know no faith - but I was new to the series at
the
time and had to satisfy myself that that my favorite couple would solve the
problem.

Needless to say the endings of Dawning9 and Dawning21 are two of my most
favorite scenes - ones that I read over and over.

The TV show for the most part concluded the individual shows satisfactorily.
Also I came late (after TNT) and so was able to see the resolution the next
night instead of waiting weeks or months.  I still watch the Dead Lois
Walking
on tape immediately after People vs Lois Lane because I can't tolerate that
suspense even though I know the resolution is around the corner.

Just a HO.  I would have no problem with any scheme that would hint at
endings
ahead of time.  As you may have guessed I also never worry about 'spoilers'
because knowing the ending does not spoil the enjoyment for me.

Charlotte
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> In a message dated 3/9/99 10:28:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
> Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK writes:
>
>  Labrat may be right to say that authors might object to letting the cat
>  out of the bag, so to speak, but I wonder -- are there that many
>  stories that rely so heavily on one big surprise that they would be
>  ruined if its general nature was known beforehand?
>
>  Over to FoLCs in general for discussion.

Hi Phil, and others,

Personally, I would support some sort of 'identification' of
particular types of stories; deathfic, for instance, isn't slways
obvious from the Archive description (though possibly the most
shocking instance of a deathfic without a 'warning' was Leanne
Shawler's last story - sorry, I can't remember the title).

I have a slight hesitation in relation to stories involving certain
types of plot twist - it's not simply that the incident or occurrence
might be intended as a surprise; as Phil said, frequently it's not
such a surprise. My reservation perhaps applies to stories (and I'm
being vague here because of my own most recently posted story - ie.
I'm trying to avoid giving a spoiler! <g>) where something seems
inevitable and then *doesn't* happen - a standard key or story
identification label could give away in advance the fact that it
doesn't happen.

Sorry if this sounds over-mysterious - I think people who've read 'An
Ordinary Man' will know what I mean!   <bg>

Wendy
----------------------
Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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__________________

PROMO: Season 6, Episode 6:  "The Hand of Fate", by Phil Atcliffe.

___________________

ANNOUNCER:  Next time, on Lois & Clark, Season 6 ...

H.G. Wells thinks he has put everything right by the proper use of his
time machine and soul tracer.  He was wrong.

____________________

The lights in the room began to come on, revealing a well-built woman in
a tight-fitting outfit.  A helmet that covered the complete face of the
wearer, revealing only her eyes. =

"Who are you?" snapped Wells. "How did you get in here? What do you want?=
"

The eye-slits of the helmet began to glow, a blazing red. Wells froze.

"Herbert George Wells, You Are Needed."

____________________

ANNOUNCER:  But where can H.G. Wells go when he needs help?

____________________

Lois:  "Mr Wells?"

H.G. Wells:  "I'm terribly sorry to disturb you like this, but I'm afraid=

I need your help again."

Clark: "Oh, boy...."

Wells reached into his pocket for a handkerchief,
overcome by emotion for a moment. Once he had regained control of himself=
,
he began, "We must return to the time of Sir Charles and Lady Loisette
and prevent her marriage to the Baron."

_____________________

ANNOUNCER:  Now Lois, Clark, and Mr Wells are on a race through time to
help right a terrible wrong ...

_____________________

Lady Loisette turned to see Clark step in through the window, and she ran=

to him, her arms wide and her eyes filling with tears of joy. "Charles!"

***

Sir Charles stepped back a few paces, rather unsteadily, and his sword
came out. He raised it and swung it back and forth from one person to
another, his hands shaking. "What deviltry is this?" he spat. "What black=

magic have you employed to torture me thus?"

***

In Lady Loisette's towered prison, Lois began to rummage through the
chests, looking for something in the way of a gown that she could quickly=

slip over her 20th-century clothes.

The door crashed open to reveal a furious Tempos.

______________________

ANNOUNCER:  But is Tempos's sorcerer's evil magic too much for even
Superman?

______________________

Clark swooped into the hall through a window. To his horror, he was
barely inside the hall when he slowed up as though he had flown into
treacle.

Lois raced back to the hall doorway and looked in.  The sight that met
her eyes was horrific, even nightmarish. Clark and Wells were entangled
in thrashing tentacles that somehow were growing out of the stone floor o=
f
the hall.

***

Tempos:  "I want Sir Charles dead and in eternal torment by ...
by *yesterday!*  I want you to prepare your vilest curse, to kill him and=

doom his soul to suffer for all time."

Sorcerer:  "Oh, yes, my lord...." The sorcerer smiled evilly, so evilly
that even Tempos recoiled from the malice that it showed.

Lois: "No!!"

_______________________

ANNOUNCER: Can Lois and Clark save their souls?  Find out on Sunday, Marc=
h
14! In "Hand of Fate" by Phil Atcliffe.

http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6

_______________________

  Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com)
  ChiefPam on the IRC
~~~~~
It's KERTH time!  Read all about it at:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html
~~~~~
Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/
(I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could <sigh>)
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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:41:50 -0500 Pam Jernigan
<jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:

[snip tantalising promo for Phil's ep, which I am looking forward to
immensely...]

> Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/
> (I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could <sigh>)

Errr - you seemed to manage it this time!   <bg>

Wendy
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Hi everyone

I joined the list last week, and it only seems polite to say hello.

My, but you are a chatty bunch! Given my experience as a member of
a fiction list for a whole other fandom, I'd expected something
slightly different - more fiction posts and less general comment, I
suppose.  Still, I'm having fun reading the various posts, and it's
interesting spotting names made familiar through the stories I've
read.

Despite having watched L&C from the start, I only discovered the L&C
archive last summer.  Since then I have ploughed my way through
many very enjoyable tales as a result.  I have, however, been
pretty remiss about expressing appreciation to individual
authors, so I'd like to take this opportunitiy to say thanks to them
all, and also to the people who maintain the site.  This
reader truly appreciates all your efforts!

Chris Carr
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
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At 5:10 PM -0800 3/9/99, Melis Melis wrote:
>Just to let you guys in on what's probably going on....Everytime a show
>goes into syndication they are bought for a typical three year run or
>they can run every episode six times and then their contract will
>expire..

Melis, you are correct that TNT bought right to the show for a 3 year run.
However, they began showing the episodes only in the fall of 1997 (or was
it Jan 98?)  In any case, you are mistaken when you guess that TNT is just
at the end of their contract.  The show is *not* at the end of it's 3
years, and *that's* why people are concerned about whether the show will
continue to run.

TNT specifically mentioned when they first bought the rights that they
planned to run L&C for 3 years straight.  It is this potential change that
has FoLCs confused.

Hopefully this issue will resolve itself soon enough once TNT sets their
new schedule and updates their website (and starts answering their
backlogged mail.)  I can't help but wonder if maybe Dean Treadway got
promoted or moved to a different department and that's why things seem to
be disorganized over there. Dean Treadway did a wonderful job of keeping
the FoLCs (and B5ers, etc.) updated on their favorite shows.

Kathy

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kathyb@springnet1.com
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Chris Carr wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> >>I joined the list last week, and it only seems polite to say
> hello.<<

Hello Chris, it's very nice to meet you!:o)

jme
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Chris wrote:

>>>I joined the list last week, and it only seems polite to say hello.

>>>My, but you are a chatty bunch! Given my experience as a member of
a fiction list for a whole other fandom, I'd expected something
slightly different - more fiction posts and less general comment, I
suppose.  Still, I'm having fun reading the various posts, and it's
interesting spotting names made familiar through the stories I've
>>>>read.

And thereby provided a salutory and timely lesson in reading posts
*carefully* before hitting the respond key. I swear, I was *this* *close* to
firing off a post saying that this comment was just a tad too general for me
and I didn't think *I'd* ever been catty to anyone on the list.....when the
top of the page caught my eye in the last moment as my finger hovered over
the send button.......and suddenly it took on a *whole* new perspective.
<BEG>

Sorry, Chris, and welcome! :D We tend to alternate. Sometimes you'll find
more fic, sometimes more chat. But it's all fun! :D

LabRat :)
Doc. Klein's LabRat
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From:         Donna Burton <BURTOND@CONAN.UNION.EDU>
Subject:      Re: OT:  Teri in Cabaret in Chicago

Pat, I assume you saw Beth note about trying to organize a get together
to go to the Boston run. I've opted to try and go for that one assuming
the timing for everyone else fits my schedule. We're still in term for
all the dates of that run and I don't know if I can rearrange things
enough to go if it's anything other than a weekend.  So I guess I'd say
don't buy me a show ticket but keep me in mind if someone gives up
theirs or you are buying a bunch. I might still like to try and come
to Windy City just to fest. I'd love to see Jenny again and to meet
Kathy, and of course, catch up with you again...

I don't mean to complicate your arrangements in any way shape or form so
if doing any wait-listing, saving, etc. is bound to cause you problems or
money, don't feel any consternation about having to say no, o.k. I truly
appreciate your willingness to accommodate where possible.

Thanks bunches,
Donna
burtond@union.edu
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TNT just emailed me that Lois and Clark will only be shown on Sundays for
now.

Brenda
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Sorry gang...mis-posted personal message to the group...Mea culpa...
Darn reply function does it everytime...

Donna [ducking]
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I think it is made pretty clear in a number of episodes that with Lois and
Clark, the total is greater than the sum of the parts.  When they are work=
ing
together, bouncing ideas off each other, they are always better at finding
solutions than either one alone.  That said, there are a number of times w=
hen
Clark figures things out before Lois, even when she is not out of her head=
.  I
think the biggest difference in their problem solving ability is not their
level of intelligence, ( they are both obviously quite intelligent ) but t=
heir
thinking styles.  Lois is quick and impulsive, frequently thinking aloud.
Clark is more reflective and likes to ponder the situation before he makes=
 a
decision.  I think that is why sometimes when an instantaneous decision is
needed, he makes a less than perfect one.  The scene in Ordinary People wh=
en
they are chained up is a classic example of this.  Lois wants Clark to cha=
nge
into Superman and fly  them out of there.  He wants to see what is going o=
n
and is worried that they are being watched secretly.  His decision to wait
ultimately results in a bad situation for him in the short run, but ultima=
tely
the solution to the headless corpses and another great story in the long r=
un.
In the NK arc, when she gave him the idea to split himself in two, he stil=
l
was the one who figured out how to do that.

I think a lot of the dumb things he does are the result of his na=EFvet=E9=
.  We
need to remember that Lois wasn't totally wrong when she called him the "h=
ack
>from Nowheresville."  While it was obvious from his first article on the
actress at the theater that he was no "hack", he was from Nowheresville.  =
He
had probably never encountered villains anywhere that could compare to Lex
Luthor.  I think that greed isn't the only thing about villains that he
doesn't understand.  And Clark's  basic style was to try to understand fir=
st.
As for Lois, she doesn't see that Clark is Superman for the very reason sh=
e
gave in Chi of Steel.  "People are going to see what they want to see."  I=
n
the comics of my childhood, Lois wanted  Clark to be Superman and saw it
constantly.. In Lois and Clark, she didn't want to see it and so she didn'=
t.
Think of all the times she got the idea and then shook her head and said,
"Nah."

At any rate, to finish off this longer than I intended post, I think that =
Lois
and Clark are both highly intelligent, but in different ways.  Together, t=
hey
are much better than either one apart.  That's why they are partners and t=
he
"hottest team in town."

Ann
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Apparently the new Bond movie "The World is Not Enough" is going to have
appearances by a lot (all?) of former Bond girls.  The lists I've seen
so far don't show Teri making an appearance.  Has anyone heard anything
different?

--
Robert Pickering
Richfield, Minnesota
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Hey...I just got this post back and I did do some figuring on the whole
subject...L&C started on TNT in the Fall of 1997 and even though they
bought it for a 3 year run...if they happen to air every episode 6 times
before the 3 years is up then their contract is officially
expired...it's whatever comes first....They are not guarenteed 3
years...if they run them all in two years then they are finished...and
must proceed to buy the rights again...And since the show started in the
FALL of 1997 they are halfway through their three years...

This is all just approximated!!  Don't bite my head off if I'm wrong!!!!
:-)

In one year of 365 days L&C ran on every day except Saturdays
So the approximate total airings for fall of 1997-1998 was 311 shows in
365 days.  With an approximate season running 22 episodes when it was
cancelled in the 4th season their were about 88 shows to be put on the
syndication block. So with 88 shows X 6 airings apiece = 528 TNT airings
were probably arranged...in one year alone TNT aired close to 311 of
those episodes and left themselves with only 217 shows since Fall of
1998 to the present...therefore with it now being March of '99 they
could technically be at the end of their run...with only a few episodes
left to run....And remember these calculations don't include the
marathons that TNT aired on SuperBowl Sunday....

So that's my story....If you disagree let me know...I'm just taking my
major and applying it to the real sydication market...Don't send me hate
mail please...I'm only here to help...Remeber I love L&C too...I mean no
harm!!!

Melis!!!

>From: Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
>Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman
Fanfic"<LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>Subject: Re: L&C on TNT
>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:38:09 -0600
>
>At 5:10 PM -0800 3/9/99, Melis Melis wrote:
>>Just to let you guys in on what's probably going on....Everytime a
show
>>goes into syndication they are bought for a typical three year run or
>>they can run every episode six times and then their contract will
>>expire..
>
>Melis, you are correct that TNT bought right to the show for a 3 year
run.
>However, they began showing the episodes only in the fall of 1997 (or
was
>it Jan 98?)  In any case, you are mistaken when you guess that TNT is
just
>at the end of their contract.  The show is *not* at the end of it's 3
>years, and *that's* why people are concerned about whether the show
will
>continue to run.
>
>TNT specifically mentioned when they first bought the rights that they
>planned to run L&C for 3 years straight.  It is this potential change
that
>has FoLCs confused.
>
>Hopefully this issue will resolve itself soon enough once TNT sets
their
>new schedule and updates their website (and starts answering their
>backlogged mail.)  I can't help but wonder if maybe Dean Treadway got
>promoted or moved to a different department and that's why things seem
to
>be disorganized over there. Dean Treadway did a wonderful job of
keeping
>the FoLCs (and B5ers, etc.) updated on their favorite shows.
>
>Kathy
>
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I finally received an answer from TNT after four tries:

"Lois and Clark will continue to air on Sunday."

That's all they said.

Kate
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At 10:48 AM 3/10/1999 -0500, Charlotte wrote:

[snip]

>Needless to say the endings of Dawning9 and Dawning21 are two of my most
>favorite scenes - ones that I read over and over.

Thank you so much :) As I can barely remember them myself,
*I* better reread them when I return to working on D23 :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
valliantly working on
something else that should be of interest...
and it has a few illustrations, too,
though I just found a typo on one, drat,
and I can't fix it until tomorrow...
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In a message dated 3/9/99 10:28:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK writes:

>>  Labrat may be right to say that authors might object to letting the cat
>>  out of the bag, so to speak, but I wonder -- are there that many
>>  stories that rely so heavily on one big surprise that they would be
>>  ruined if its general nature was known beforehand?

Yes.

Then Wendy replied...

>Personally, I would support some sort of 'identification' of
>particular types of stories; deathfic, for instance, isn't slways
>obvious from the Archive description (though possibly the most
>shocking instance of a deathfic without a 'warning' was Leanne
>Shawler's last story - sorry, I can't remember the title).

In the shocking tale, "Sorry, I Can't Remember the Title," Lois Lane again
has a brush with oblivion as she wakes up one more next to the man of her
dreams... and it isn't Clark Kent!

...all right, all right...

Debby :)
Debby@swcp.com
with lotsa little surprises up
her sleeve, too...
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I stumbled on to something that may explain why the Clark Kent of the show
did what he so often did.

I've been transcribing a tape at work and the man rambling on mentioned
that it was his observation that women are very aware of their surroundings
and won't venture into places that they figure may hold danger for them.
Men, this fellow said, have no such awareness and they'll just walk into
anything.

As we saw on the show, Superman would frequently fly into situations
without pausing to check them out first (such as not stopping check out
whasername [why does "Monica" insist on sticking in my mind?] Church's true
condition on the billboard she claimed to want to jump off of). He'd have
time, even a few seconds to look ahead, but, nope, he'd just jump right in
with both feet and get in Big Trouble, something Lois admitted she did as
early as the Pilot.

Lois's tendency also to jump in with both feet (i.e., not look first) seems
to go counter to my client's observation unless one remembers: Lois had to
fight like a man to get to her career position, and the bulk of the
episodes were written, directed and produced by men who subconsciously
might not want to write a woman as being more careful and circumspect as
she matured.

So, for those who like Clark and Superman to be normal guys, the
information and observations above, by a 55-year-old (black) truck driver
(my business's client) may make you happy. :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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>My, but you are a chatty bunch! Given my experience as a member of
>a fiction list for a whole other fandom, I'd expected something
>slightly different - more fiction posts and less general comment, I
>suppose.  Still, I'm having fun reading the various posts, and it's
>interesting spotting names made familiar through the stories I've
>read.

Hello!
Well, this list does double as a discussion list when the main discussion
list (LOISCLA-L) is down. Which unfortunately happens all too frequently.

Misha (mhall@sound.net)
- - - - -
"Writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank piece of paper
until drops of blood form on your forehead." -- Gene Fowler
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Not that I am complaining or anything, (well OK maybe I am a bit) but I
was somehow under the impression that this was a list for Lois and Clark
fanfiction.

There seems to be a lot of posts that have nothing what so ever to do
with fanfiction.  I am wondering if there is perhaps a more general list
that could better be utilized for non-fic postings.  Now I do know that
many of the non-fic postings actually do deal with fanfiction or
information that could be useful to fanfic writers.  But in order to
find the posts I joined this list for, I often have to wade through what
I feel are non-relevant posts (ex. actor sightings, differences in
American and British words, the status of L&C on TNT to name a few).

I am not disputing relevance of my examples to L&C fans.  I am just
wondering how they are relevant to fanfiction.  As I recall this list
is: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic"

Anyway, I was just wondering........Thank you.
(going back into lurker mode)

LS
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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:24:30 EST "Ann E. McBride" <Aerm1@AOL.COM> wrote:

> Lois [...] doesn't see that Clark is Superman for the very reason she
gave in Chi of Steel. "People are going to see what they want to see."
In the comics of my childhood, Lois wanted  Clark to be Superman and
saw it constantly.. In Lois and Clark, she didn't want to see it and so
she didn't. Think of all the times she got the idea and then shook her
head and said, "Nah." <

Ann, you've got me worried... because just about the one element of the
classic pre-Crisis Superman mythos, however much altered by the
Byrne-Wolfman revamp and DJL's take on that, that was missing from L&C
was Lois suspecting Clark of being Superman. The only instance that I
can recall of her even thinking of the idea was the Diana Stride
affair, and the Kents squashed that almost before Lois had time to hear
about it.

Have I forgotten something? A _lot_ of somethings? When else did Lois
wonder if Clark was Superman, only to dismiss the idea?

Phil, suddenly wondering what _else_ I might have missed....
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<The only instance that I
can recall of her even thinking of the idea was the Diana Stride
affair, and the Kents squashed that almost before Lois had time to hear
about it.  Have I forgotten something?>

She also looked like she might be thinking it in Tempus Anyone.  She looks
at
him right before Perry's party, shakes her head, and says naa.
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At 07:15 PM 3/10/99 PST, Leslie S. wrote:
>There seems to be a lot of posts that have nothing what so ever to do
>with fanfiction. . . .  [I]n order to
>find the posts I joined this list for, I often have to wade through what
>I feel are non-relevant posts (ex. actor sightings, differences in
>American and British words, the status of L&C on TNT to name a few).

Actually, Leslie, the discussions of the differences in American and British
words were extremely relevant to this list:  a British fanfic writer was
asking a specific question in order to remove the "Britishisms" from her
fanfic.  This list was originally created as a place for the posting and
discussion of L&C fanfic, but it was also intended to be a place where we
could seek help for our writing; discuss our concerns over distribution
(i.e. the plaigerism thread last month and the current
story-labeling/warning thread); get needed information re scenes,
characters, names, etc. from the series; find an explanation for a puzzling
character action that we may be referencing in a story; request editing
assistance, etc.

Speaking as a fanfic writer, I find that fanfic is much bigger than just a
posted story and comments on it, so I need a list that encompasses more than
that.  It takes me several months to write a story, and if this list was
only useful as an outlet for the brief period of posting and commentary, it
would be worthless to me.  However, I can see that from a fanfic *reader's*
perspective, a lot of the "building the story" information that appears on
this list would be totally irrelevant.

Truthfully, our grammar discussions and discussions of American versus
British usages don't impact my writing at all; I teach grammar daily in
developmental English courses at a community college, and as an American, I
don't have to worry about using British words that L&C wouldn't.  But
they're important issues to other writers on the list, so I often contribute
to the discussions to help those writers out, the same way I expect them to
help me out when I have a problem.

As for the other stuff (sightings, broadcast schedules, etc.), I guess it
doesn't bother me because it lets me keep in touch with some of the broader
concerns of FoLCdom without having to deal with the volume of mail from the
main discussion list.

Sheila Harper
(Low Maintenance Folc, but High Maintenance fanfic writer)
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well, i wanted to acknowledge the nice comments regarding my story - power
to forgive. it was one of those stories that kept me up at night thinking
about it. glad it was well received. i especially want to thank Eileen
Barnard and Joy N Sowell for volunteering to be my proofreaders. they
anwered my call for help and were great! thanks ever so much.

me
Sharon L. Gilbert
~~~~~~~Work like you don't need the money.
**********Love like you won't get hurt.
`````````````Dance like no one's looking
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Subject:      Feedback & Chatter (relates to Re: Off topic?  What exactly IS
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Nice post, Sheila.  I agree -- this list was never conceived of as a place
*only* to post fanfic. If that were true, posts would be few and far
between.

Even if we added specific story feedback, the volume would be extremely low
-- there are 300+ people on this list and when someone posts a story, I see
*maybe* 2-3 people posting feedback.  If you get 5-6 people to post
comments, the story obviously struck a cord.  Personally, I find this very
disappointing.  From all the S6 episodes I've posted here, I can count on
one hand the number of comments  I've seen posted to this list -- and
these, IMO, have been outstanding stories!  If writers post here only to
get copious feedback on a story, they are in for disappointment.

For those of you who think there is too much "off topic" information on the
list -- have *you* ever posted feedback of a story you read here?  I'm a
firm believer in "if you don't like a thread; delete it and start one that
is more to your liking."

I can assure you that the vast majority of authors would be grateful for
the public recognition of their work. A "nice work" is always appreciated,
but even better--tell the author what were your favorite scenes, what you
specifically liked about the story. If there was a part that didn't make
sense to you, point it out (nicely, of course :)).  Many authors post their
fanfic here before submitting it to the Archive. If they find out that a
certain section or scene didn't work, they may very well choose to rework
it before finalizing the story.

>As for the other stuff (sightings, broadcast schedules, etc.), I guess it
>doesn't bother me because it lets me keep in touch with some of the broader
>concerns of FoLCdom without having to deal with the volume of mail from the
>main discussion list.

The main discussion list has also been going down with amazing frequency
lately <g> and this list has always taken up the slack when that happens
(for sightings, etc.)  I have 4 months worth of LOISCLA digests stored
up--I haven't read it in that long.  But this list, I keep current with the
discussion. The volume of mail might seem overwhelming to people new to
listservs or FoLCdom, but believe me, this is *nothing* compared to what
mail was like on the main list a couple years ago.  A hundred messages a
day was not uncommon then.  The current volume of the fanfic list, even
during our active weeks, seems like a walk in the park to us "old timers."
<g>

Kathy (who will be posting her own S6 episode next month and wants feedback
<bg>)

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Kathy wrote:
<snip>

>I can assure you that the vast majority of authors would be grateful for
>the public recognition of their work. A "nice work" is always appreciated,
>but even better--tell the author what were your favorite scenes, what you
>specifically liked about the story. If there was a part that didn't make
>sense to you, point it out (nicely, of course :)).  Many authors post their
>fanfic here before submitting it to the Archive. If they find out that a
>certain section or scene didn't work, they may very well choose to rework
>it before finalizing the story.

Very well said, Kathy!  As a new writer, I've only posted two of my stories
here (I think it's only been two) and haven't gotten any feedback.  I found
this very dissapointing because particularly on the last story I wrote, I
put a lot of work into it and IMO it was a pretty darn good story and I
would have liked to seen at least a discussion or even a mention of it, but
to my recollection, not one word was said about it on the list.  I'm not
complaining really, because in the case of Karen's 'Nightmare' there was a
very lengthy discussion about it and I learned things from it, as I'm sure
Karen did.  That's what I've always seen this list as - a learning tool.  I
often forget to write feedback about a story I enjoy, and I'm just as guilty
as the people who didn't write feedback about mine, but I'm definitley going
to start posting feedback, because I want authors to feel the joy I've felt
>from the very few feedback letters I've gotten.  Anyway, enough of my
rambling :)

Mandy
Who'll be sure to post feedback about every story she has the time to read
;)
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>From Mr. D8A's other email.
__________________
The volume of mail might seem overwhelming to people new to
listservs or FoLCdom, but believe me, this is *nothing* compared to what
mail was like on the main list a couple years ago.  A hundred messages a
day was not uncommon then.
__________________
You are absolutely right!  My wife and I are new to this phenomenon and I
was amazed at getting 100+ messages from the weekend as a whole!  If I
started getting messages at the rate of 100+ a day I would probably
unsubscribe.

Being the new to the listservs my wife and I just want to say hi and are
thrilled to see so many names of people whose work we have read.  It was
almost like old home week.  We are trying to catch up on the nominees
writings so that we can vote intelligently.  When is the last day of voting,
anyway?  And when is the first day that we can start nominating for next
year?

We are going on line at our house in the next month and hope to be active
participants in all aspects of FoLCdom:-D

We live in Saint Peters, MO, a suburb of Saint Louis.  Is there anyone from
the Saint Louis area besides us and I am curious as to who is the farthest
away from us?

MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James
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your own understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will
direct your path. NIV

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Date:         Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:37:11 PST
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I am doing a survey and trying to figure out the number of FoLC's who
still read the comics.  For some fanfic writers it's obvious, they use
Comic stuff in their writings (i.e. Susan Vancott's Disquiet Nights, the
regeneration contraption in the Fortess of Solitude in Antarctica and A
New Friend by I Can't Remember, the entire Supergirl Origin was
practically straight from the Comics and all the stuff about protomatter
too)

Also, for those of you who are old enough to remember, or are
collectors, what is you're view on First Series vs. Second Series?

I personally like the second series better for the same reasons I like
LnC better that the movies:  Superman is less God-like in the second
series and he's not afriad to show emotions and get involved while he's
Clark.  In the first series, it's like Superman is the real person and
Clark is the secret identity.  And he's all alone because his parents
are dead? (I'm a little fuzzy on this fact.)

The entire concept of Superbaby and the first series' Superboy?
No way.  I don't like how he had his powers when he first landed in
Smallville.  Other that the fact that is didn't give his enough time to
absorb the sun's energy, there's the fact that THERE'S A TWO YEAR OLD
SUPERHERO AND HE OPERATES OUR OF SMALLVILLE, KANSAS!!
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If I go to Zoomway's site and clark on the "lists" icon, I have the
option of choosing between discussions.  When I click on the third
session, I get a "404 file not found."  Help?

Thank You
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Date:         Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:02:53 +0100
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From:         Celia Carvalho <carvalho@LEXMARK.COM>
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Hi there, everyone!

I've read the posts regarding this subject very attentively. And I have to
say
something. I usually send my feedback to the writers directly after
finishing
reading a story and not to the whole list, precisely because I didn't want
to be
"accused" of cluttering up the mailboxes of everybody.

But whenever I do it, I also sense that I should send my views to
*everybody*,
so they should also know about a terrific story. But then I think that they
should have also read it and I'm probably saying something that people
already
know.

Having said that, I *do* agree that feedback is very important to the
writers.
That's why they write in the first place. Yeah, it's great to write and it's
a
lot of fun, too most of the times. But it's also nice to know that actually
there are people out there reading your work and expressing themselves. I'm
sure
lots of writers haven't heard from me yet, but that's just because I haven't
read their work yet...! You wait and see!

And also, I also believe that this list would be, how should I put it? -
very
"poor" if it would be used *just* to post fanfics and nothing else. I find
all
the "chatting" among all FoLC's quite interesting and I miss them whenever I
have server problems, like I did over this last past week. Even if it's
regarding sightings and televising of shows/documentaries/etc that I can't
see
because I live in a different country!! :(

I've babbled enough for today. I hope I haven't offended anyone, that was
*not*
my intention! :)

Celia.

kathyb%SPRINGNET1.COM@interlock.lexmark.com on 11-03-99 18:00:07

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Subject:  Feedback & Chatter (relates to Re: Off topic?  What exactly IS on
      topic??)

Nice post, Sheila.  I agree -- this list was never conceived of as a place
*only* to post fanfic. If that were true, posts would be few and far
between.

Even if we added specific story feedback, the volume would be extremely low
-- there are 300+ people on this list and when someone posts a story, I see
*maybe* 2-3 people posting feedback.  If you get 5-6 people to post
comments, the story obviously struck a cord.  Personally, I find this very
disappointing.  From all the S6 episodes I've posted here, I can count on
one hand the number of comments  I've seen posted to this list -- and
these, IMO, have been outstanding stories!  If writers post here only to
get copious feedback on a story, they are in for disappointment.

For those of you who think there is too much "off topic" information on the
list -- have *you* ever posted feedback of a story you read here?  I'm a
firm believer in "if you don't like a thread; delete it and start one that
is more to your liking."

I can assure you that the vast majority of authors would be grateful for
the public recognition of their work. A "nice work" is always appreciated,
but even better--tell the author what were your favorite scenes, what you
specifically liked about the story. If there was a part that didn't make
sense to you, point it out (nicely, of course :)).  Many authors post their
fanfic here before submitting it to the Archive. If they find out that a
certain section or scene didn't work, they may very well choose to rework
it before finalizing the story.

>As for the other stuff (sightings, broadcast schedules, etc.), I guess it
>doesn't bother me because it lets me keep in touch with some of the broader
>concerns of FoLCdom without having to deal with the volume of mail from the
>main discussion list.

The main discussion list has also been going down with amazing frequency
lately <g> and this list has always taken up the slack when that happens
(for sightings, etc.)  I have 4 months worth of LOISCLA digests stored
up--I haven't read it in that long.  But this list, I keep current with the
discussion. The volume of mail might seem overwhelming to people new to
listservs or FoLCdom, but believe me, this is *nothing* compared to what
mail was like on the main list a couple years ago.  A hundred messages a
day was not uncommon then.  The current volume of the fanfic list, even
during our active weeks, seems like a walk in the park to us "old timers."
<g>

Kathy (who will be posting her own S6 episode next month and wants feedback
<bg>)

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Date:         Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:02:44 EST
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In a message dated 3/11/99 12:40:15 PM Central Standard Time,
forum101@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< If I go to Zoomway's site and clark on the "lists" icon, I have the
 option of choosing between discussions.  When I click on the third
 session, I get a "404 file not found."  Help? >>

Before anyone teases you regarding your typo of "clark" instead of "click",
I'm happy to say that any time I start to type a word that begins with "cl",
I
almost always find myself typing "Clark" first <g>  As to the discussion
boards at the site.  I'll do what I can with them.   The pages that require
special gizmos to work or require interaction from the browser were put up
by
Beth.  She has a more sophisticated web creation software than I do, but
I'll
give it a "stern talking to"  ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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In a message dated 99-03-11 11:58:40 EST, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes:

<< For those of you who think there is too much "off topic" information on
the
 list -- have *you* ever posted feedback of a story you read here?  >>

A minor request, though, for those of us that don't always read the stories
immediately... Please warn us if you are going to give away the plot! If you
do that, I'll save your comments and read them after I've read the story,
rather than before. Thanks. :)

--Laurie
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In a message dated 99-03-11 13:40:15 EST, forum101@HOTMAIL.COM writes:

<< If I go to Zoomway's site and clark on the "lists" icon,  >>

Figures that on Zoomway's site, you can "clark" on icons!! LOL

--Laurie
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Okay...feedback. This is in regards to feedback with a small digression,
forgive me.

I'll start with the digression. I haven't been on this list very long,
but I'd have to say that right now, although I'm still getting quite a
few main list posts, this list has more posts to it than the main one.
It's rather fascinating.

Back to feedback. I usually send feedback directly to the author if they
list their address. I didn't know people wanted to send it directly to
the list. Also, I'm wondering whether a story, once posted on the
archive, gets a lot of feedback. As a soon to be on the archive person
this is an issue. Anybody? I try to write to authors of fics that I
really liked. I figure that everybody likes to know somebody read what
they wrote. Is this true, or is it just me?

Sorry so long, but I don't post much.

Rachel

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I am doing a survey and trying to figure out the number of FoLC's who
still read the comics.
----------------------
I stopped reading comics about 2-3 years after the Crisis on Infinite Earths
Series.  I got sick of both Marvel's and DC's continual rewriting of history
according to comicdom.

----------------------
Also, for those of you who are old enough to remember, or are
collectors, what is you're view on First Series vs. Second Series?
I personally like the second series better for the same reasons I like
LnC better that the movies:  Superman is less God-like in the second
series and he's not afriad to show emotions and get involved while he's
Clark.  In the first series, it's like Superman is the real person and
Clark is the secret identity.  And he's all alone because his parents
are dead? (I'm a little fuzzy on this fact.)

The entire concept of Superbaby and the first series' Superboy?
No way.  I don't like how he had his powers when he first landed in
Smallville.  Other that the fact that is didn't give his enough time to
absorb the sun's energy, there's the fact that THERE'S A TWO YEAR OLD
SUPERHERO AND HE OPERATES OUR OF SMALLVILLE, KANSAS!!
----------------------
I remember watching the first series in reruns as a child.  I was only born
in `64.  Up until the DC Comics' "Crisis on Infinite Earths," the Superman
Canon was as follows:
        Superman was the real person, Clark was a disguise.
        Clark's parents died just before he went to college.
        Silver Age Clark Kent always had super powers.
        Anything Kryptonian was indestructible.  Cloth, metal, glass,
plastic, etc.
        His costume was made by Martha unraveling his baby blankets and
reweaving them!
        Superbaby never was a "hero."  Superboy started when Clark was a
preteen(maybe).
        There was a Supergirl, Superdog, Superhorse, Supercat, and, if I
remember correctly, a Super monkey!
With the advent of "Crisis on Infinite Earths," DC changed all history.  His
"parents" are still alive,  he is the only survivor and only Kryptonians are
indestructible.

If you have any other questions regarding SuperTrivia just ask.

MR. D8A  A.K.A.  James
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your own understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will
direct your path. NIV
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon L. Gilbert <sgilbert@DDYNE.COM>
To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
<LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
Date: 11 March 1999 07:35

>well, i wanted to acknowledge the nice comments regarding my story - power
>to forgive. it was one of those stories that kept me up at night thinking
>about it.

I just wanted to say that to was a pleasure to help edit such a great story
for Sharon.  I read all the comments from the FOLCs on the list and agree
wholeheartedly with every one of them.

Hope to read some more of your work in the future.

Regards
Eileen B
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From:         "Jenny E. Corso" <SouprGrl5@AOL.COM>
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Hi-
        First off, I must agree about the second series.  The first series
concentrated to much on the superhero and not enough on the man behind
the"S"
let alone the people who made influences on his every day life( Lois, Jimmy,
Perry, The Daily Planet, etc.).  And I definatly didn't like the way his
parents died on a cruise.  Anyhow, I think that I too enjoy L&C for the same
reason I enjoy the second season.  We get to see the more human side of
Superman, the part that helps us relate the whole story. Clark is the star
not
Superman and we see Lois now more as an equal than we ever saw in the first
series.
        Don't get me wrong the first series wasn't all that bad, I mean it
did pave
the way for the whole comic industry.  And some of the legends that made the
series possible will never be forgotten.

        Jenny
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I think that the problem is the URL. It's got htm.htm at the end and it
can't
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At 11:00 AM 3/11/1999 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote:
>If you get 5-6 people to post
>comments, the story obviously struck a cord.  Personally, I find this very
>disappointing.  From all the S6 episodes I've posted here, I can count on
>one hand the number of comments  I've seen posted to this list

Okay, it's true confessions time.  I have still to finish reading the S5
stories, so I haven't even *started* the S6 stories, so I can't comment on
them:(  I also just realized I have 5MB of unread "new" fanfic on my C:
drive, so I'm *really* behind.  Not to mention I really want to get my vote
in for the Kerth's so I've really got to get reading here.  Plus people
want the next installment of "Only You" while it's still this century<g>
Aarrrgh!

I've come to the conclusion I'm *never* going to catch up;p

Sheila Harper said re other non-topic items
>>As for the other stuff (sightings, broadcast schedules, etc.), I guess it
>>doesn't bother me because it lets me keep in touch with some of the
broader
>>concerns of FoLCdom without having to deal with the volume of mail from
the
>>main discussion list.

I second that!  Also, I find that discussing something that's not really
closely tied to fanfic, but *is* L&C related (like the fourth season ep
discussion) helps me figure out where the characters are coming from, why I
think the way I do, and helps me keep in touch with the FoLC I'm writing
for.   Discussion always helps my creative juices:)

Because I'm so far behind with my reading I've been putting the comments on
the new fanfic into the same folder as the fanfic itself--to read later,
*after* I've read the fanfic, so I don't get "spoiled".  As a result,
discussion of current fanfic isn't the reason I read this list right now.

I appreciate comments on my fanfic, even years after it's been posted, so
I'm hoping the writers of the stories I've yet to read have the same
opinion<g>

Margaret
Who always thought she was a low-maintenance FoLC, but is starting to
wonder<g>
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At 2:02 PM -0500 3/11/99, The Zoomway wrote:

>Before anyone teases you regarding your typo of "clark" instead of "click",
>I'm happy to say that any time I start to type a word that begins with
"cl", I
>almost always find myself typing "Clark" first <g>

Oh, I do this all the time.  I also wish I had a nickel for every letter
I've started out "Dean so-and-so" (instead of Dear). ;)

Kathy

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At 11:37 AM -0800 3/11/99, Rachel TenHaaf wrote:
>Back to feedback. I usually send feedback directly to the author if they
>list their address. I didn't know people wanted to send it directly to
>the list. Also, I'm wondering whether a story, once posted on the
>archive, gets a lot of feedback. As a soon to be on the archive person
>this is an issue. Anybody? I try to write to authors of fics that I
>really liked. I figure that everybody likes to know somebody read what
>they wrote. Is this true, or is it just me?

Rachel, I think it's wonderful that you (and the others who have posted)
write privately to the authors.  Of course, this is just as appreciated as
posting publically. :)

With Archived fanfic, you raise a good point. Certainly, when a story is
first posted, email addresses are usually valid and most authors would love
to hear what you thought of it.  Older stories get more tricky, since email
addresses can get outdated as time goes on, but speaking as someone who has
both "old" and "new" stories -- I love it when someone writes me about an
old story of mine!  I think we have all that hesitation about writing after
so long (especially since the older stories on the Archive weren't "dated"
as to when they were submitted; that's something I started when I took over
that side of things), but if we really think about it, what possible harm
could come from writing someone a couple years later?  At worse, the email
bounces back to you and you've wasted a minute of your life.  But at best,
you've spent that minute making someone happy. :)

Kathy

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At 5:48 PM -0500 3/11/99, Margaret Brignell wrote:

>Okay, it's true confessions time.  I have still to finish reading the S5
>stories, so I haven't even *started* the S6 stories, so I can't comment on
>them:(  I also just realized I have 5MB of unread "new" fanfic on my C:
>drive, so I'm *really* behind.  Not to mention I really want to get my vote
>in for the Kerth's so I've really got to get reading here.  Plus people
>want the next installment of "Only You" while it's still this century<g>
>Aarrrgh!

Don't feel bad. The biggest irony of running the fanfic Archive and S6?  I
don't have a fraction of the time to read fanfic for fun anymore. <g>

I read when I can, but  like you, Margaret, the longer stories get funneled
into a "to read" folder on my hard drive. (Especially ones I've heard
praise for which is another reason I love it when people post specific
feedback on this list; it lets me know which stories to give priority to!)

Thank goodness for the Kerth Awards -- it gives me an excuse to make time
for great fanfic. For fun!!  What a concept. <g>

Kathy ("busy, busy .. terribly busy ... you've no idea how much I have to
do!" Ahem, sorry, a little VeggieTale moment there.  Other moms with little
kids will understand. ;))

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>>("busy, busy .. terribly busy ... you've no idea how much I have to
do!" Ahem, sorry, a little VeggieTale moment there.  Other moms with
little kids will understand. ;))<<
> ______________________
> Kathy Brown

Thanks alot Kathy!!  As the sister of a 6 &7 year old I now have
"Busy, Busy" stuck in my head!  AHHH!  So stop being so SILLY!  hehe
~Jocelyn
==
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I need some help. I messed up my bookmarks, and now don't know where
to find fanfics. I had a whole bunch of sites and now lost them. I
would love any help you all could give me. Thanks in advance.

Stacy

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Margaret Brignell wrote:

> At 11:00 AM 3/11/1999 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote:
> >If you get 5-6 people to post
> >comments, the story obviously struck a cord.  Personally, I find this
> very
> >disappointing.  From all the S6 episodes I've posted here, I can
> count on
> >one hand the number of comments  I've seen posted to this list
>
> >>Okay, it's true confessions time.  I have still to finish reading
> the S5
> stories, so I haven't even *started* the S6 stories, so I can't
> comment on
> them:( <<

OH same here! I'm totally excited about S6!!!! But I am trying to do my
Kerth Awards reading right now. So as soon as this is over I plan to get
right to my S6 reading cuz I'm all caught up on S5 and I'm really happy
that some writers decided to continue it this year! So don't feel
unappreciated!!:(

Also I can't remember, but I may have commented on the first one,
however, I'm more the type to comment to the author then publicly on the
list. It's hard for me to muster up enough courage and find the right
words to express myself. But I'll try harder!:)

thankyou thankyou for S6!!!!!

jme

> I also just realized I have 5MB of unread "new" fanfic on my C:
> drive, so I'm *really* behind.  Not to mention I really want to get my
> vote
> in for the Kerth's so I've really got to get reading here.  Plus
> people
> want the next installment of "Only You" while it's still this
> century<g>
> Aarrrgh!
>
> I've come to the conclusion I'm *never* going to catch up;p
>
> Sheila Harper said re other non-topic items
> >>As for the other stuff (sightings, broadcast schedules, etc.), I
> guess it
> >>doesn't bother me because it lets me keep in touch with some of the
> broader
> >>concerns of FoLCdom without having to deal with the volume of mail
> from the
> >>main discussion list.
>
> I second that!  Also, I find that discussing something that's not
> really
> closely tied to fanfic, but *is* L&C related (like the fourth season
> ep
> discussion) helps me figure out where the characters are coming from,
> why I
> think the way I do, and helps me keep in touch with the FoLC I'm
> writing
> for.   Discussion always helps my creative juices:)
>
> Because I'm so far behind with my reading I've been putting the
> comments on
> the new fanfic into the same folder as the fanfic itself--to read
> later,
> *after* I've read the fanfic, so I don't get "spoiled".  As a result,
> discussion of current fanfic isn't the reason I read this list right
> now.
>
> I appreciate comments on my fanfic, even years after it's been posted,
> so
> I'm hoping the writers of the stories I've yet to read have the same
> opinion<g>
>
> Margaret
> Who always thought she was a low-maintenance FoLC, but is starting to
> wonder<g>
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> Margaret Brignell
> brignell@capitalnet.com
> Ottawa, Canada
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In a message dated 99-03-11 17:54:29 EST, brignell@CAPITALNET.COM writes:

<<  I have still to finish reading the S5
 stories, so I haven't even *started* the S6 stories, so I can't comment on
 them:(  I also just realized I have 5MB of unread "new" fanfic on my C:
 drive, so I'm *really* behind.  Not to mention I really want to get my vote
 in for the Kerth's so I've really got to get reading here.  Plus people
 want the next installment of "Only You" while it's still this century<g> >>

Well, the first may be partly my fault. I warned Margaret that there was an
ep
about alt-Clark in among the season 5/TUFS stuff and thought she might want
to
avoid it while writing "Only You."

ANd gee, Margaret, some of your Kerth choices shouldn't be so hard. After
all,
aren't you nominated in a couple categories? <g>

--Laurie (who admits to nominating you)
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In a message dated 3/11/99 3:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK writes:

<< Have I forgotten something? A _lot_ of somethings? When else did Lois
 wonder if Clark was Superman, only to dismiss the idea? >>

Lois does this in Tempus Fugitive when they have their attack of d=E9j=E0 =
vu.
Lois looks at Clark after he takes the card away from her and gets a funny
look on her face and then goes Nah.

I would have to rewatch some more second season episodes to nail them down=
,
but I'm pretty sure there  a few more examples.

Ann
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> I am doing a survey and trying to figure out the number of FoLC's who
> still read the comics.

I still (since 1980, ick I feel old sometimes) read a lot of comics.

> For some fanfic writers it's obvious, they use
> Comic stuff in their writings (i.e. Susan Vancott's Disquiet Nights, the
> regeneration contraption in the Fortess of Solitude in Antarctica and A
> New Friend by I Can't Remember, the entire Supergirl Origin was
> practically straight from the Comics and all the stuff about protomatter
> too)

I hope that fanfic writers don't feel like that they always have to follow
the precendence set by any comic books.  Though I like the comics, I also
enjoy the alternate storylines created by the TV series.

> Also, for those of you who are old enough to remember, or are
> collectors, what is you're view on First Series vs. Second Series?

I really love the Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen comics.  And I seem to enjoy the
first series title better.  Maybe it was the Swan/Schaffenburger art or
maybe it was the fun stories that Julius Schwartz' books always seem to
tell.

> I personally like the second series better for the same reasons I like
> LnC better that the movies:  Superman is less God-like in the second
> series and he's not afriad to show emotions and get involved while he's
> Clark.  In the first series, it's like Superman is the real person and
> Clark is the secret identity.  And he's all alone because his parents
> are dead? (I'm a little fuzzy on this fact.)

I also like LnC better than the movies.  I think for me it has more to do
with the actors. IMHO.
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At 08:24 PM 3/11/1999 EST, Laurie wrote:
>Well, the first may be partly my fault. I warned Margaret that there was
an ep
>about alt-Clark in among the season 5/TUFS stuff and thought she might
want to
>avoid it while writing "Only You."

Oh, yes, now I remember:)  I *have* been avoiding alt-fanfic to try to
prevent myself from accidentally plagiarizing someone else's ideas.  Thanks
for reminding me that's the reason I'm so far behind<g>

>ANd gee, Margaret, some of your Kerth choices shouldn't be so hard. After
all,
>aren't you nominated in a couple categories? <g>

Three<bg>  Is it kosher for me to vote for myself?  I'd sort of thought,
not;\

>--Laurie (who admits to nominating you)

Thank you:)

Margaret

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>>>("busy, busy .. terribly busy ... you've no idea how much I have to
>do!" Ahem, sorry, a little VeggieTale moment there.  Other moms with
>little kids will understand. ;))<<
>> ______________________
>> Kathy Brown

Hey, I'm 17 and I watch them!  It's much better than the stuff the Rat
puts out.  I even subscribe to Veggie Beat, ahem, What's the Big Idea?
magazine.  Is it sad that I have more Veggie videos then the kids I
babysit? ;)

Do I have anything else to say that's a little more on topic? <g>

Oh, I finally got around to reading The Power to Forgive, and I really
liked it!  Great job!  However I won't be able to watch the New Krypton
arc without thinking of this version ;).

Hugs,
Stefanie =)   cute6@juno.com
Eat right, stay fit, die anyway.
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>From: Stacy <brocks_babe@YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: fanfics
>Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:58:09 -0800
>
>I need some help. I messed up my bookmarks, and now don't know where
>to find fanfics. I had a whole bunch of sites and now lost them. I
>would love any help you all could give me. Thanks in advance.
>
>Stacy

Wow, you to Stacy? My hard drive crashed last weekend and i lost most of
my bookmarks but luckly i had the most important ones on floppy disc
since it happened to me once before. (once bitten twice shy as they say.
(i've notice THEY say alot but never admit to it))

 Good luck recovering your bookmarks!

Here are a few that I have for L&C, I hope they help!

Lois & Clark Fanfiction archive
http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/

annie's little corner of teh world
http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm

Zoomway's webpage
http://www.actwd.com/zoomway/fanfic.htm

Pam's website
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/pj_frame.html

Rob N. Bergeron

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Date:         Fri, 12 Mar 1999 03:02:18 EST
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Okay, I fixed the message board page, I think ;)  As I said, I don't have
the
stuff to fix "drop down" menus, so I made a much simpler type page, and any
guinea pig who wants to try it out and tell me if the links from it work,
I'd
appreciate it ;)  It's at:

http://www.actwd.com/zoomway/general/welcome_to_the_message_board_are.htm

Also, since the message boards themselves have drop down menus, I can't fix
those either, but I'll see what I can do with those pages next, because they
are getting way too long ;) You guys are a busy bunch of posters <g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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In a message dated 99-03-12 03:02:42 EST, you write:

<<
 Okay, I fixed the message board page, I think ;)  As I said, I don't have
the
 stuff to fix "drop down" menus, so I made a much simpler type page, and any
 guinea pig who wants to try it out and tell me if the links from it work,
I'd
 appreciate it ;)  It's at:

 http://www.actwd.com/zoomway/general/welcome_to_the_message_board_are.htm>>

This worked great (love the new look)

  <<Also, since the message boards themselves have drop down menus, I can't
fix those either, but I'll see what I can do with those pages next, because
they are getting way too long ;) You guys are a busy bunch of posters <g>
  >>

these still have problems....clicking the next button brings:
" Unable to open
http://acreativetouch.simplenet.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/_ff4/0000009d.htm
/nav?next. The site reports that the item you requested could not be
found."
clicking the reply button:
"FrontPage Error.
User: please report details to this site's webmaster.
Webmaster: please see the server's system log for more details. "

Of course, we determined On the Run junkies find a way around these little
inconveniences <g>
Kate
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stefanie D Slifer [mailto:cute6@JUNO.COM]
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Subject: Re: Kathy's Chatter

>>>("busy, busy .. terribly busy ... you've no idea how much I have to
>do!" Ahem, sorry, a little VeggieTale moment there.  Other moms with
>little kids will understand. ;))<<
>> ______________________
>> Kathy Brown

Hey, I'm 17 and I watch them!  It's much better than the stuff the Rat
puts out.  I even subscribe to Veggie Beat, ahem, What's the Big Idea?
magazine.  Is it sad that I have more Veggie videos then the kids I
babysit? ;)

Do I have anything else to say that's a little more on topic? <g>

Oh, I finally got around to reading The Power to Forgive, and I really
liked it!  Great job!  However I won't be able to watch the New Krypton
arc without thinking of this version ;).

Hugs,
Stefanie =)   cute6@juno.com
Eat right, stay fit, die anyway.
---------------------

I'm 35 and I enjoy watching them too. Of course, having 5 and 8 year old
girls gives me a good excuse to buy them.  Larry Boy is _one of_ my favorite
heroes, even if he is patterned more after Batman.

Is it my imagination, or are we getting WAY off topic. :)  Maybe we should
talk about how Clark would react to watching an episode of VT.  nahh.

Just my $0.02.

Frank Ward
fward@idir.net
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Watched UltraWoman earlier.  I love that ep.

The part near the end where Jimmy asked Lois if UltraWoman said anyting
about him and UW supposedly said that Jimmy was cute.  It reminds me of
the part of the old Christmas movie Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer when
Clarise told Rudolph he was cute.

Sue
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At 04:58 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Stacy wrote:
>I need some help. I messed up my bookmarks, and now don't know where
>to find fanfics.

Enrico's site has links to almost all of the fanfic sites:

http://www.rz.tu-ilmenau.de/~wi019/

Sheila
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My problem is with St. Louis, which keeps wanting to write itself as
"St. Lois"  ;-)

Donna in Schenectady
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At 11:37 AM 3/11/99 PST, Rachel TenHaaf wrote:
>I'm wondering whether a story, once posted on the
>archive, gets a lot of feedback.

If the archive is the first posting or the first non-restricted-list
posting, you get some feedback.  I don't know that it's what you would call
a *lot* of feedback, though.  Even with my first story "A Shot in the Dark,"
which generated lots of mail, more than any of my other pieces, I usually
don't hear from people who read it on the archive until they join the nfic
list and write to ask for the nfic version.  Then they mention how much they
liked the PG version.

I wonder if there is a sense of intimacy or connection involved in
requesting a story from an author that makes people more apt to comment on
the story afterwards.  It seems to me that when my stuff is available in
archives (including the S5, TUFS, and S6 sites) or arrives automatically
through a list-serv, people are less apt to write to tell me what they
thought of it.  That may just be my perception, though.  Do any of you other
writers have a similar or different experience?

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Hello everyone,

I have a new fanfic that is approximately 90 % completed.  I am looking
for a proofreader who is meticulous as far as grammar is concerned.
I've had some small problems with my paragraphing.  Spelling is not a
concern - although I do prefer the UK spelling of many common words.

Be warned before you volunteer however.  This is not a short work.  At
90% completion, it runs 33 pages!

If anyone is interested in helping me out, please email me privately at
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>My problem is with St. Louis, which keeps wanting to write itself as
>"St. Lois"  ;-)
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>Donna in Schenectady
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   Try being a FoLC and researching the explorers Lewis and Clark at the
same time.  Needless to say, I usually end up mispronouncing the poor
guy's name.  And the funny thing is, when I first began watching Lois &
Clark, I was constantly pronouncing Lois "Lewis".  I seem to have got
over that littler problem.

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>At 04:58 PM 3/11/99 -0800, Stacy wrote:
>>I need some help. I messed up my bookmarks, and now don't know where
>>to find fanfics.

I've also got a bunch of fanfic links available on my website's links
section, and *those* links also have a ton of links. <g>  My links URL is:
www.ida.net/users/davek/links.html

Hope this helps those looking for fanfic sites.

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>> Is it my imagination, or are we getting WAY off topic. :)  Maybe we
should talk about how Clark would react to watching an episode of VT.
nahh.<<

I'm 17, I think that's a great idea!  (hehe)  Can't you see Lois,
"Superman is bigger then the boogeyman . ." ;)

~Jocelyn (yes, I'm in a weird mood today!)

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I am just about to post a new story to the list, in two parts. This
is a short,lightweight piece (for a change); even humorous, I hope.
I'm not exactly convinced that I can write comedy, though, so I would
appreciate feedback on that. Even if you're writing to tell me you
didn't find it remotely funny, I'd still like to know; it'll simply
stop me trying it again  <G>.

Oh, and a brief description, to whet your appetites... I hope...

'The Perfect Match'

Set early in Season 1; Perry has interesting - separate - assignments
for Lois and Clark. There is something he hasn't told them, however...

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This short, and I hope humorous, story takes place right after=20
IGACOY, although I have taken some liberties with the calendar.=20
According to Annemarie Pace's excellent Episode Guides (which I have=20
used extensively for this story!) IGACOY was originally screened in=20
late October; I assume that it was intended to have taken place=20
around the same time of year. For reasons entirely of my own=20
convenience, I have shifted the date forward about five months.

-  The Perfect Match?  -=20

It was a fairly typical Wednesday morning at the Planet, Clark Kent=20
mused as he skimmed through his email. Of course, he had only been=20
employed by 'The Greatest Newspaper in the World' (c. Perry White)=20
for about six weeks, but he liked to believe that he was getting used=20
to it. He had seen his share of front-page headlines during that time=20
as well, some shared - albeit usually grudgingly on her part - with=20
Lois Lane. 'The best darn reporter I've ever worked with', as Perry=20
White had referred to her in a conversation with Clark, still seemed=20
to resent his presence most of the time, although there had been a=20
few moments when they had seemed to be reaching some sort of=20
understanding. Unfortunately, usually something would then happen=20
which set them back to square one=85=20

Certainly it hadn't helped matters, Clark reflected wryly, that he=20
had thrown her over his shoulder and deposited her in a dumpster a=20
few days ago. She had been angry enough that he had muscled in on her=20
story about the Metro Club; but the fact that he had subsequently=20
blown her cover to save his own and had then humiliated her had=20
simply added insult to injury. He winced now as he remembered the=20
final insult before he had thrown her into that dumpster: he had=20
patted her backside. *Why* had he done that? It had been a=20
petty-minded gesture, just as dropping her into that dumpster had=20
been - and to add further insult to injury, he had deliberately=20
chosen the one containing rotting vegetables. Lois was a colleague,=20
and someone he would like to have as *more* than a colleague; and yet=20
he had undermined her, blown her cover on a story, patronised her,=20
touched her inappropriately - and then accused her of being jealous=20
when she had turned up at his apartment demanding to know precisely=20
what he had thought he was doing. Hardly surprising she was still mad=20
at him, was it?

And yet they were supposed to be partners now - well, on special=20
stories at any rate. That was what the Chief had said. So perhaps=20
they weren't partners the whole time - and maybe that was just as=20
well. Given the filthy looks Lois had been giving him for the past=20
few days, if looks could kill he would be a pile of dust on the=20
floor. But then=85 he allowed himself a secret smile. He hadn't yet=20
come across anything that *could* hurt him physically.=20
Invulnerability did have its advantages=85

He glanced around the newsroom curiously. He hadn't seen Lois since=20
the end of the morning news conference, about twenty minutes earlier.=20
So where was she? Despite - or perhaps even because of  - their=20
cat-and-dog relationship, Clark loved being around Lois. Of course,=20
the other reason he loved being with her was precisely because he was=20
*in love* with her. He had been smitten from the moment he had been=20
introduced to her, in the Editor-in-Chief's office. However, Ms Lane=20
had clearly not been similarly smitten by Clark Kent. She had=20
responded dismissively to his greeting and had proceeded to ignore=20
him. She had complained vociferously at being paired with him for the=20
Messenger investigation and had instructed him as to his precise=20
duties as the junior - *very* junior - partner in the team. And a=20
couple of days later, when they had been working late alone in the=20
newsroom and the sexual tension between them had fairly crackled, she=20
had completely broken the mood by warning him not to 'fall for' her.=20
She didn't have time for it.

No, Clark thought, she doesn't have time for it. 'Mad-Dog' Lane, as=20
she was known in the newsroom, seemed to have little time for=20
anything other than work. She was at her desk or pounding the streets=20
before nine every morning. She rarely went home before seven,=20
frequently working late into the night. And from what he had heard on=20
the newsroom 'grapevine', it had been some time since Lois had been=20
in a relationship. No time for love; no time for a life, according to=20
Cat Grant.=20

Well, he had tried to get her attention on a personal level during=20
his first few days at the Planet, but he had made little or no=20
progress there. So he had instead decided to concentrate on making a=20
name for himself as a reporter; and since they had been teamed up=20
together, he intended to be a good and supportive partner. Perhaps=20
that might impress her more, he had thought.

<Too bad you forgot about that at the Metro Club!> his conscience=20
taunted him. He sighed. Yes, he had behaved badly, and the fact that=20
Lane and Kent had nailed the story in the end - together - was no=20
particular credit to him. Oh well, he would have to try to make up=20
for his behaviour somehow. Unfortunately, that would necessitate=20
getting Lois to stay still and listen to him for long enough to=20
enable him to get his apology out=85 which wouldn't be easy. Of course,=20
if it was Superman wanting to speak to her, that would be another=20
matter. But then, Lois's reaction to Superman was another story=20
altogether=85

She had been in the Chief's office, Clark realised suddenly, as the=20
door opened and a very grumpy-looking Lois emerged. He could have=20
discovered her location by scanning the office with his Super-vision,=20
but he hadn't bothered as he'd assumed that she was around somewhere.=20
Well, whatever Mr White had wanted to discuss with her clearly hadn't=20
pleased her, Clark thought as he got to his feet and strolled to the=20
coffee-machine. He poured two mugs and, gripping them in one hand,=20
seized two of the remaining doughnuts in the other and headed to=20
Lois's desk.=20

"Coffee, partner?"

Lois swung around and saw Clark. "We are *not* partners," she=20
snapped.

"No?" he replied innocently. "Could have sworn I heard the Chief say=20
we were the other week."

She glared at him, tossing her hair. "That was then."

He deposited one of the mugs and a doughnut on her desk. "Lois, if=20
this is still about the Metro Club - "

She turned away, busying herself with calling up her email. "This is=20
about *nothing*. We are not partners. Now if you don't mind, I have=20
work to do."

Clark hesitated, not wanting to anger her further, but badly wanting=20
to apologise. "Look, I was out of line to treat you the way I did,=20
and I've been looking for an opportunity to say I'm sorry."

"Yes, you were out of line. That was *my* investigation - *I* was the=20
one under cover, and you had no right to barge in and blow it." She=20
began to read her email, silently seething. That man had a *nerve*!

Clark took a step closer to Lois's desk, and leaned towards her. "I'm=20
not convinced I shouldn't have done that - it was a pretty dangerous=20
situation. But I patronised you and humiliated you, and that was=20
wrong."

Lois flushed, and dipped her head so that he wouldn't be able to see.=20
"You? Humiliate me? Not in this millenium, Kent."

Clark sighed and shook his head; clearly she wasn't going to listen=20
to him. "Okay. Have it your way, Lois - but I did try to apologise."=20
He hesitated, then enquired, "The Chief given you a new assignment?"=20
<Do you need my help with it> he wondered, but thought better of=20
voicing the question.

He saw her visibly bristle. "Some stupid flakey idea for an=20
investigation - I told him I wasn't going to do it," she muttered,=20
failing to add that Perry had *insisted* that she should do it.=20
Irritated by Clark's continued presence by her desk, she called up a=20
blank screen and began typing furiously, hoping that he would get the=20
message and leave her alone. He did.

***************

"Kent? Come in here a minute." Perry White's voice resonated across=20
the newsroom a little later. Clark, who had been just about to make a=20
quick getaway in order to check out a siren which had caused his=20
Super-hearing to kick in, sighed and crossed the office to obey his=20
boss's summons. Sometimes it was hard to remember which was more=20
important: his job or his extra-curricular activities.

"I got a story for you," the Chief explained.=20

"For me?" Clark enquired. "Do you want me to work with Lois on it, Mr=20
White?" he asked hopefully.

"No, this is just for you - Lois is busy with another investigation,"=20
the editor emphasised, as he passed a magazine across the table to=20
Clark. A large boxed advertisement was ringed in red.

"The Perfect Match Introductions Bureau," Clark read aloud read. "A=20
*dating agency*?" he added incredulously. "You want me to investigate=20
a dating agency?"

"Sure," Perry shrugged. "See, this place has been open about six=20
months, and they're boasting that they have a 75% success rate."

"A success rate meaning?" Clark prompted.

"Marriage, Clark. 75% of their clients have so far got married or=20
engaged to someone they've been introduced to by The Perfect Match."=20
Perry settled himself into his chair. "See, this is an agency=20
specifically for 'busy professional people' who don't have time to=20
get involved in the kind of social activities you need to do in order=20
to meet 'that perfect partner'=85" Perry made quotation marks with his=20
fingers as he spoke; glancing on the editor's desk, Clark could see a=20
glossy brochure which bore what looked like the agency's logo.

"Word is, they use a foolproof computer programme to match people up=20
- there's an extensive questionnaire about personality, likes and=20
dislikes, what the person wants in a potential partner=85 you get the=20
idea. I want to know what's so special about this agency, why they=20
can make that claim about their success rate. So I want you to pose=20
as a client."

Clark's jaw dropped. Pose as a client of a dating agency? But he=20
wasn't looking for a relationship=85 though that wasn't strictly true,=20
he acknowledged. He *did* want a relationship - that was one of the=20
things he had told his father he wanted when they had talked about=20
his move to Metropolis. Unfortunately, since his first visit to the=20
Planet, Clark had only been interested in having a relationship with=20
one woman=85 who was not interested in him!

"Well, get onto it!" Perry insisted. "Make an appointment for your=20
initial interview - and make it as soon as possible!"

Clark exited the editor's office deep in thought. This was a rather=20
odd assignment for the Chief to have given him; it seemed to be quite=20
lightweight. Although he was aware of his status as a very new member=20
of the Planet's staff, he was by no means the most junior reporter.=20
Added to this was the fact that he had been asked to do this alone,=20
without Lois: since they had been given separate assignments, did=20
this mean their partnership was over? If so, why had this happened?=20
*Had* Lois complained to Perry about the way he had treated her at=20
the Metro Club? Was that why she had been so emphatic in insisting=20
that they were not partners?

But the little knowledge he had built up about Lois so far made him=20
pretty sure that she was not the type of person to tell tales. Nor=20
was she the type who needed other people to fight her battles for=20
her. No - if she felt he needed a reprimand for what he had done, she=20
would have seen to it herself. However, none of that answered his=20
concerns about why they were not working on an assignment together.=20
Had he failed in some way? Had he completely blown it with Lois?

He shook his head, realising that he was unlikely to find any answers=20
to his questions in the immediate future. All he could do was try to=20
do a good job on this story, however lightweight he considered it to=20
be, and therefore prove to Perry that he did have potential to be one=20
of the Planet's top journalists.

****************

Lois paused outside the offices of The Perfect Match Introductions=20
Bureau and considered, yet again, turning tail and getting out of=20
there. As she had insisted to Perry, she had *absolutely no* desire=20
to investigate a dating agency. She did *not* want to be interviewed=20
and fill out a questionnaire, and she *definitely* did not want to=20
have to go on a date with some geek who wasn't able to find himself a=20
girlfriend by conventional means.=20

This was a waste of her time, Lois had argued. She was one of the=20
Planet's top reporters; why send her on this stupid fluff story?=20
Perry had responded by insisting that she was perfect for it. The=20
agency dealt with busy professional people; well, that was Lois. Lois=20
was the right sort of age: late twenties, there should be no=20
difficulty in finding her a list of suitable matches. And last but=20
not least, Lois's cynical nature should enable her to write a=20
suitably critical piece should the agency not live up to its boasts.=20

<Which it won't!> she thought caustically. She began to turn around=20
again, intent upon heading for her car; but then she remembered=20
something else Perry had said to her. If she didn't want to do this=20
for herself, he had argued, then she should do it for other women.=20
Women who were desperate to find a partner, so much so that they=20
parted with the thousand dollar fee for the screening and two initial=20
introductions. That was a lot of money, Perry had argued. Shouldn't=20
someone check that this agency wasn't getting it under false=20
pretences?

Sighing heavily, she pushed open the plate-glass doors and marched=20
into the foyer. The reception area was expensively but discreetly=20
furnished, she thought; it could have been the reception of a wealthy=20
company or even a private hospital. A smartly-dressed woman sat at a=20
desk in the corner, and at the far side were some armchairs and a=20
selection of magazines.

Lois gave the name she was using to the receptionist. She had agreed=20
with Perry that it would be better to use a false name and occupation=20
for this investigation; after all, while Lois Lane of the Daily=20
Planet *could* conceivably be using a dating agency because she=20
wanted to find a partner, she didn't want anyone working out exactly=20
what her motives were.

"I'm Laura Lang - I have an appointment with Ms Pearson." The=20
receptionist ticked a list, and directed Lois to take a seat. She=20
handed over a couple of brochures and suggested that Lois read them=20
while she waited to be called.

Half an hour later, Lois wanted to scream. She had had the agency's=20
mission statement - dedicated to fostering love and romance in the=20
lives of busy people - repeated to her *ad nauseam*. She had heard=20
the sales pitch, been shown testimonials from satisfied customers,=20
and was now being interrogated as to her own reasons for wanting to=20
join The Perfect Match bureau. She had prepared her cover story: she=20
had decided that Laura Lang should be a lawyer. It was a suitably=20
professional job, and would also provide cover for the long hours=20
Lois worked as a journalist. It would also explain why she needed to=20
use an agency, Lois thought: the only men 'Laura' met were lawyers,=20
and after all, who would want to date a lawyer? =20

Following a lengthy grilling by Ms Marian Person, Director of The=20
Perfect Match Introductions Bureau, Lois was then given a =20
questionnaire which extended to several pages, and was shown into an=20
small office where, she was told, she could complete it. She grimaced=20
as she read through the list of questions. Age, occupation, likes and=20
dislikes and preferred social activities were fairly easy, but some=20
of the others=85 She frowned as she read the question 'What do you want=20
out of a relationship?'. Nothing, would be the true answer. Men were=20
untrustworthy, usurious wastes of space=85 But she was posing as a=20
woman who wanted to meet a man=85 Biting her lip, she wrote, 'Love and=20
romance, possibly marriage.'

A later question asked whether she wanted children. Again Lois=20
grimaced; if she answered according to her own instinct, she would=20
write, 'Not in a million years'. But this was not Lois Lane=20
completing the form=85 She wrote 'yes, at least two'.=20

And what would her perfect man be like? Lois considered for a moment;=20
she knew very well what *her* perfect man was like, but she somehow=20
couldn't see the agency having on their books any gorgeous men who=20
could fly. So=85 what would 'Laura's' perfect man be like? After some=20
consideration, Lois wrote that she liked intelligent, creative men=20
with a good sense of humour, and that income was less important to=20
her than personality.

<Wonder what sort of  hopeless case I'll get as a result of this?>=20
Lois wondered with a humourless smile.=20

*****************

Later the same day, Clark stared at his six-page questionnaire in=20
disbelief. Was he really expected to fill in all this stuff about=20
himself? Still, he supposed, he had better keep it truthful, apart=20
>from the name; after all, if he was supposed to be investigating the=20
agency's efficacy at matching couples, he couldn't expect them to=20
make a suitable match for him using false data. If, for his article,=20
he wanted to criticise the choice of date identified for him by A=20
Perfect Match's computer system, he would need to ensure that he had=20
been as honest as possible, otherwise any comments he made could be=20
rebutted with the suggestion that as he had provided inaccurate=20
information, then naturally the match would be unsuitable.

He briefly wondered about the kind of woman he was likely to be=20
paired up with; looks weren't that important, Clark considered, but=20
intelligence, determination, a sense of humour and a strong sense of=20
loyalty were. With a pang, he realised that - apart from the question=20
of looks - he had very accurately described Lois Lane. Well, he was=20
highly unlikely to meet someone like Lois, but=85 well, perhaps if he=20
was very lucky he might actually be matched with someone he could=20
*like*. And would that be a bad thing=85?

He had to admit that he had been impressed so far with the=20
professionalism of A Perfect Match; the staff he had spoken to had=20
seemed to have knowledge of every aspect of the operation at their=20
fingertips. He had asked a number of questions during his interview=20
with Ms Pearson about the software used in order to select suitable=20
matches; he had spent some considerable time before his appointment=20
looking up psychology journals for articles on personality,=20
psychometric testing and relationships analysis. He was well aware=20
that there was still some controversy about personality analysis, and=20
also that one of the greatest difficulties in computer dating was the=20
reliance on individuals answering the questions honestly; although,=20
to be fair, that wasn't really the fault of the agency. His interview=20
had certainly been very thorough, and since he would be called back=20
for a second interview later he was aware that any inconsistencies=20
between the questionnaire and his answers at interview would be=20
picked up.

Clark concluded that, while the agency's fees were expensive, they=20
were probably justified in terms of the effort put into vetting=20
clients and ensuring that matches were suitable. Well, at least, he=20
would reserve his conclusions on that final point until after he had=20
met his first 'Perfect Match'.

******************

"Lois! How are you getting on with the investigation?"=20

Lois was halted in her progress across the newsroom by the sound of=20
Perry's voice calling to her. She winced; she certainly didn't want=20
to discuss her enrolment - even under a false name and purely for the=20
purposes of research - at a dating agency in front of the entire=20
newsroom staff. She therefore altered course and marched into the=20
editor's door, pulling it firmly shut behind her.

"Like I told you yesterday, this is a *complete* waste of my time,=20
Chief! I don't know why Cat couldn't have done it - she is the social=20
correspondent after all."

Perry took up position behind his desk, leaning forward towards Lois.=20
"Because I wanted *you* to do it. Anyway, Cat is a little too=85=20
obvious." Adopting a more brisk tone, he asked again, "So what's=20
happened so far?"

Lois shrugged. "Well, I went over there yesterday, was given a sales=20
pitch, subjected to an interrogation, made to fill in a *six-page*=20
questionnaire, and then subjected to a further interrogation. And I=20
can tell you now, Chief, some of the questions they ask are downright=20
intrusive. I mean - " she glared, and gesticulated furiously, "what=20
the hell business is it of theirs how much I earn? Or what previous=20
relationships I've had? Or why they didn't work out? I mean, that=20
woman was acting like it was *my* fault that I don't have a man in my=20
life! As if the main purpose in life for a woman is to get married!=20
Typical sexist, misogynistic assumptions=85 as if no matter what a=20
woman achieves, she is nothing without a man!"  Concluding her rant=20
on a breathless note, Lois prepared to turn on her heel and march out=20
of the editor's office.

However, Perry had other ideas. "All right, Lois, I appreciate your=20
opinion, and if it's relevant you can put it in your article. But I=20
want to know what's happening next."

Feeling frustrated - she *really* did not want to do this! - Lois=20
raised her eyes to the ceiling before answering. "The woman who=20
interviewed me said they'd have to input all my data into the=20
computer, and then screen any possible matches the computer=20
identified. Then they'd call me, and set up a date with whichever of=20
the men I preferred."

"All right - well, let me know when that happens," Perry instructed,=20
before gesturing to her that she could leave. As Lois exited his=20
officer, the editor allowed  himself an amused smile.

*****************

Clark had just returned to the Planet after a quick Super-trip to=20
avert a near-disaster on the city's subway when he heard his beeper=20
go off. He glanced at the number displayed on the screen, recognising=20
it as the Perfect Match's phone number. He had given the agency his=20
beeper number rather than his home or mobile numbers, because he=20
didn't want to risk answering the phone as Clark Kent and finding=20
that it was a call for his assumed identity. He grabbed his mobile=20
phone from his inside jacket pocket, and ducked into the conference=20
room for some privacy.

"Yes, this is Jerome Clark," he confirmed. He listened to the agency=20
representative tell him that the computer had identified three=20
initial possible matches, and he arranged to visit the bureau later=20
that day to examine the profiles of the three women. Once he'd chosen=20
the woman he would prefer to meet first, the agency would then=20
arrange the meeting.

Clark couldn't help feeling just a little bit excited at the prospect=20
of seeing who the agency's computer had selected as suitable partners=20
for him. Would he like the sound of them? Would he like whomever he=20
chose to meet? Would she like him? Maybe this investigation would=20
turn out to be a good thing for him: if he met a woman he could like,=20
and enjoy spending time with, he might be able to stop thinking about=20
Lois all the time, and hoping, and wishing=85 and trying to fulfil his=20
fantasies by visiting her as Superman. That was a dangerous pastime,=20
and one which could get both of them into trouble if he was not=20
careful.

Of course, if he did meet someone with whom he could envisage having=20
a relationship, there would then be the issue that his approach to=20
the agency had been for the sake of a journalistic investigation. He=20
might have to confess that at some stage, and it might cause=20
problems. Still, he could face that if and when it came to it=85

****************

Lois sat in the small room at A Perfect Match's offices, casting a=20
jaundiced eye over the profiles she had been given. No names were=20
attached; she had been told that she would only be given a name once=20
she had chosen the man she wanted to meet. As she had suspected, they=20
were not a particularly impressive bunch. She could almost have=20
predicted what she was now reading: there was indeed a computer geek,=20
who appeared from the profile she had been given to spend practically=20
all his waking hours in front of a screen. <No wonder he hasn't=20
managed to find a girlfriend!> Lois thought sardonically.

The second man didn't seem much more of an attractive proposition:=20
the details Lois had indicated that he was divorced, with custody of=20
his two young children. <Looking for a substitute mother, I'll bet!>=20
Lois speculated,  making mental notes of the caustic comments she=20
would include in her article.=20

The third man looked slightly more promising, she conceded=20
grudgingly. About her own age - a year older, in fact, single, and a=20
writer. <Well, unless he writes tacky stuff for porn magazines, or=20
Western novels, there's a chance that he might have half a brain> she=20
reflected cynically. The profile indicated that this man had=20
described himself as tall, dark and slim, with interests including=20
football, current affairs and spending time with friends. The agency=20
matchmaker's summing up, which was printed at the bottom of every=20
profile, described him as confident in terms of his professional=20
activities and his relationships with family and friends, but=20
somewhat shy and retiring in romantic relationships. 'Not a love 'em=20
and leave 'em type,' the matchmaker had written; 'the test scores=20
indicate a very high sense of loyalty and responsibility.'

<Well> thought Lois <if I have to choose one of these, it might as=20
well be No. 3. The other two are complete no-hopers!>

****************

CONTINUED IN PART 2

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CONTINUED FROM PART 1

*****************

Clark had arrived at the up-market bar in good time; he chose a stool=20
at the bar counter and ordered a Perrier, which he sipped as he cast=20
a discreet eye around the place. It was a little too showy for his=20
taste; although at the moment it was fairly quiet, he imagined that=20
it would get very full and noisy later on. Full of shallow poseurs,=20
who were there to be seen rather than to have a romantic evening with=20
a partner. Still, he thought, if he and his date hit it off, he would=20
suggest they have dinner together. He had already chosen the=20
restaurant: an Italian trattoria with a reputation for excellent food=20
and a low-key atmosphere. Perfect for a 'getting-to-know-you'=20
conversation, Clark had thought when he had made the reservation. And=20
if they didn't get on, he would simply make his excuses after a=20
couple of drinks.

He was conscious that the Chief was expecting him to produce a 'date=20
diary', as well as an article commenting on the agency's service=20
overall. Clark, at this stage, was unsure as to what he would=20
actually say: although he had been quite impressed at the rigour of=20
the two interviews and the detailed nature of the questionnaire, he=20
had been surprised at the results of the matching process. He had=20
been given three profiles from which to choose, but at first glance=20
two of them had appeared to him to be completely unsuitable. One was=20
a very young woman - barely nineteen - who, it seemed, was an=20
advertising executive trainee, but whose preferred social activities=20
were clubbing and partying - not at all Clark's choice of pastime.=20
The second woman - who, Clark was sure, was probably a very nice=20
person - just hadn't appealed to him at all. She was thirty, and=20
already twice divorced; somehow, with the example of his parents'=20
happy and enduring marriage, Clark couldn't see himself dating=20
someone who had already made a 'lifetime' commitment to two different=20
men.

So he had chosen the third woman - who had, he had to admit, really=20
taken his fancy. She was a year younger than he; while he wasn't a=20
particular fan of her profession, her list of interests seemed=20
compatible with his, and she had stated that she wanted marriage and=20
children. Ms Pearson's summary of the woman's character had also=20
seemed attractive; a highly intelligent, if intense, individual,=20
secure and confident in her work but a little less sure of herself in=20
terms of personal relationships. Since that was how Clark saw=20
himself, he thought that they might well hit it off.

He mused then that it had been almost as if he had been *intended* to=20
choose this woman for his first date; the other two had certainly not=20
been 'perfect matches' for him. Taking a sip of his drink, he glanced=20
around the bar again; it was time for his date to arrive and he=20
wanted to spot her before she saw him, if possible.

******************

Lois was late; she had taken longer than planned to get ready, and=20
then the traffic into the city had been worse than she had expected.=20
She *really* did not want to go on this date. All right, she=20
conceded, the man's profile had seemed=85 okay=85 but she just wasn't=20
interested in dating. Even simply trying to approach the evening as=20
just another undercover investigation wasn't helping.

<With any luck, we'll be completely incompatible> she thought as she=20
hurried towards the wine bar where she was supposed to meet her date.=20
She had arranged for her beeper to go off in about an hour's time, as=20
a precautionary measure; on the *very* slight chance that she=20
actually liked her date, she could dismiss it as not being important,=20
but if she was hating every minute of the encounter, she would have=20
an excuse to leave. She had agreed with Ms Pearson that she would=20
carry a copy of Cosmopolitan - not a magazine of which she was a=20
regular reader. Her date would be, she had been assured, carrying a=20
copy of GQ.

<I hope that doesn't mean he's only interested in his own appearance>=20
Lois thought, scowling to herself as she pulled open the heavy=20
plate-glass door. She quickly darted behind a pillar and scanned the=20
interior. It was early yet, and apart from a few people propping up=20
the bar counter, and a small group occupying one table, the place was=20
nearly empty. She discreetly studied the men at the bar; one she=20
dismissed immediately as being too old - over forty, she guessed, and=20
probably imagined himself as the next Warren Beatty. Another was=20
younger, but short and balding; her date was supposed to be just over=20
six feet tall. Two stockbroker-types drinking imported beer were also=20
dismissed as unlikely prospects.

Then Lois's eye fell on a man sitting alone further down the bar.=20
There appeared to be a magazine - she was unable to see the title -=20
lying on the counter in front of him. The man looked as if he was=20
probably tall, although as he was perched on top of a bar-stool it=20
wasn't altogether easy to tell. From behind, he looked moderately=20
attractive and certainly presentable: he had short dark hair, neatly=20
cut, and was wearing what looked like a dark suit with a white shirt.=20

She frowned in puzzlement; something about him, even from the rear=20
view, looked familiar. As she watched, he turned his head, clearly=20
looking for someone, and she turned pale and gasped.

It was Clark!

But what on earth was Clark doing *here*, where she was supposed to=20
be meeting her date?

Her first instinct was to turn tail and get out of the wine bar=20
before Clark could see her and ask what she was doing there. But=20
before she could make it to the door, he was striding towards her,=20
calling her name.

Something had made Clark turn around at that precise moment: a slight=20
tingling at the back of his neck which seemed to warn him that he was=20
being watched. As he'd turned, searching for - he hoped - his date,=20
he had caught sight of a woman skulking behind a pillar. Then his=20
Super-hearing had picked up a gasp of shock. He descended from his=20
stool and took a closer look: it was Lois! Wondering what she was=20
doing there, he went over and called to her.

As he caught up with her, he realised that she was carrying a=20
magazine; taking a closer look, he noticed the title. Slowly, the=20
explanation dawned on him; catching Lois's arm, he asked=20
incredulously, "*You're* Laura Lang?"

Lois stared at him in disbelief. "How did you=85?" Practically=20
speechless, she tried to figure out how it could possibly be that=20
Clark knew her assumed name. Had Perry told him about the assignment?=20
Had he come to queer her pitch once again - or to get a cheap laugh?

Clark was relaxing now that he had realised that, however bizarre it=20
seemed, *Lois* was his date for the evening. And she had certainly=20
not expected to meet him either; seeing her reaction was going to be=20
enjoyable! "Lois, I'm 'Jerome Clark'."

Lois's mouth was opening and closing like a fish. She tried to speak=20
several times, but was unable to frame a coherent sentence. Finally,=20
she gritted, "You *can't* be!"

"No?" Clark enquired dryly. "Let me see - Jerome Clark, a writer,=20
enjoys football and current affairs, aged twenty-nine, carrying a=20
copy of GQ, and meeting Laura Lang, who is carrying a copy of=20
Cosmopolitan." He finished his statement with a pointed glance at her=20
magazine.

Lois glared at him. "Where's the GQ then?"

Clark nodded in the direction of the bar counter. "Over there." He=20
took hold of her arm and gently steered her over to a corner table.=20
"Look, we're attracting attention - let's sit down and discuss this."=20

"I don't want to discuss anything with you - except what you're doing=20
here!" Lois muttered angrily.

"Same thing as you, by the look of it," Clark replied irritatingly.=20
"Wait here." He walked swiftly back to the bar and collected his=20
belongings, ordering Lois a glass of white wine at the same time. He=20
was grateful for the couple of minutes to compose his thoughts; while=20
he had attempted to project a calm manner in front of Lois, his inner=20
mood was anything but calm. What on *earth* was Lois doing there? Why=20
was she using a false name? Was she so desperate for a man in her=20
life that she would use a dating agency, but so embarrassed about it=20
that she felt the need to lie about herself - a false name, a=20
different occupation?

Then it dawned on him that this was a very interesting proposition=20
indeed. The computer software used by the agency had selected Lois=20
and himself as ideal matches for each other. He had picked her from=20
the three choices offered to him - and *she* had picked *him*! Surely=20
this said something about the two of them and the prospects for a=20
relationship between them?

Lois, meanwhile, now recovering from her shock, was swiftly=20
assembling the pieces of  the puzzle together in her mind. Clark was=20
registered with the agency, under an assumed name; the occupation of=20
'writer' was certainly true, if a bit unspecific. Why was he using an=20
introductions bureau? She had quickly dismissed the idea that he had=20
come to spy on her; it was clear to her now that he had been just as=20
surprised to see her as she had been to see him. She frowned; while=20
Clark was still relatively new to Metropolis, it hadn't seemed to her=20
as if he was lonely, or short of friends. Was he that desperate for a=20
girlfriend? And what a horrible coincidence that she had picked him=20
>from the three potential dates! But=85 she had been told that he had=20
also chosen her. Which meant=85 that he must have been attracted to her=20
profile. She, of course, had simply chosen the least worst option of=20
the three available to her.

She was abruptly dragged back to reality by Clark's return; she=20
accepted the glass of wine with an automatic 'thank you', but then=20
glared at him across the table. "Clark, I want to know exactly what=20
you're doing here. And don't fob me off with an excuse. Why are you=20
registered with 'The Perfect Partner'?"

"I was going to ask you the same question," Clark pointed out. "Okay,=20
though, you asked first. I'm on an assignment - Perry asked me to=20
pose as a client in order to investigate the agency's claims about=20
their success rates."

Lois's jaw dropped once again. "That's exactly what he=85 *oohh* - I=20
could *murder* Perry." She clenched her fists in fury. "He put us=20
both on this assignment and didn't tell us!"

"And we got matched with each other," Clark pointed out softly, with=20
a maddening grin.

"Well, that just shows how crazy this whole computer dating thing is,=20
doesn't it?" Lois retorted. "I mean, you and me - 'perfect partners'?=20
Not in - "

"Not in this millenium?" Clark finished for her. "Well, that just=20
gives us about six years of *not* being 'perfect partners', you=20
know."

Lois groaned in frustration. "You know exactly what I meant, Kent -=20
and that's another thing. Jerome Clark=85 I *should* have known! I=20
mean, your full name is Clark *Jerome* Kent, isn't it?"

Clark inclined his head. "And you wouldn't just have happened to=20
remember a conversation in which I told you about my high school=20
girlfriend, Lana Lang, would you?"

Lois ignored that. "Anyway, you and I are=85 chalk and cheese.=20
Incompatible. So any so-called perfect matchmaking system which=20
managed to pair *us* up is clearly phoney and a complete rip-off."

"Oh yeah?" Clark riposted. "And what makes you think that?"

"Well... of *course* it is." She sipped her wine, continuing to glare=20
at Clark over the rim of the glass. "And that's precisely what my=20
article is going to say."

"But Lois, wouldn't you agree that a computer can only work with the=20
data it is given?" Clark enquired, catching her gaze and holding it=20
with a suspiciously reasonable expression.

"What do you mean?" she demanded.

"Well, the software determines compatibilities on the basis of the=20
information provided by clients about themselves. If that information=20
is not accurate, then the results won't be as accurate as they should=20
be either." Clark leaned back in his seat, enjoying the temporary=20
expression of discomfiture on Lois's face. It wasn't often that he=20
felt he had the upper hand in a discussion with Lois, and he liked=20
the feeling.

"Are you implying that I lied?" Lois's glare became even more=20
annoyed.

"Well, you did, didn't you? Since when has Lois Lane, ambitious=20
award-winning journalist, expressed a desire to settle down with a=20
husband and kids? I distinctly remember you stating in no uncertain=20
terms a couple of weeks ago that you *never* intended to have=20
children." Clark allowed a smile to hover about his lips.

"See? See? We couldn't be more incompatible!" Lois insisted=20
excitably. "You actually believe in happy-ever-after. You *like*=20
kids! You want a house with a picket fence and half a dozen little=20
Kents running around in the garden, and a little woman inside baking=20
cookies in the kitchen."

<Sounds idyllic> Clark mused <though my wife would have her own=20
career too, if she wanted=85>

"But Lois, how could you expect the software to know that, when you=20
told them something completely different?" he pointed out, still=20
adopting that calm, reasonable tone which Lois was quickly finding=20
extremely infuriating. "You can't blame 'The Perfect Partner' for=20
matching you up with someone you find incompatible when you lied on=20
your questionnaire." He grinned at her, revealing a flash of very=20
white teeth. "And another thing - you picked me out!"

Lois snorted. "Don't get your hopes up at that, Kent! You didn't see=20
the opposition!"

"Nooo=85" Clark replied slowly. "Come to think of it, my alternative=20
choices weren't particularly appealing anyway=85" <although I would=20
have chosen you even if they were more compatible> he mused.

"So you think=85?" Lois prompted, distracted from the issue of the=20
agency's efficacy by the implications of this new information.

"I suspect - it's a bit of a wild guess, but I think we might have=20
been set up," Clark offered tentatively.

Lois considered the evidence, then emitted a noise of frustration. "I=20
*bet* that's it! Who was in on it? The Chief had to be, since he put=20
us on the assignment=85 maybe Jimmy=85 Ralph better not know anything=20
about this!"

Clark shrugged. "Dunno. But it's up to us how we handle it. We either=20
confront the Chief with it, or say nothing - leave him wondering."

"He couldn't have known we'd be matched with each other," Lois said=20
thoughtfully. "I mean, the chances against that happening have to be=85=20
oh, hundreds to one."

"Possibly," Clark agreed. "Anyway, I think we should say nothing, and=20
each hand in our own reports as if we'd had dates with strangers."

Lois drained her glass. "I guess you're right - I have no intention=20
of letting him know the truth! I'm sure I can make up something=20
convincing=85 I can say I met my date, we had a drink, decided we=20
didn't suit, and went our separate ways - which is exactly what's=20
happening now!" she added, picking up her bag and preparing to leave.

"Hold on a minute, Lois." Clark's quiet request stopped her. She=20
turned back to face him. He had got to his feet and was regarding her=20
thoughtfully.

"There is another way we can take our revenge on Perry," he murmured,=20
a faint smile curling around the corners of his mouth. "The Planet is=20
paying for this date, right? Let's go out to dinner, and have a great=20
meal and some good wine, all on expenses. How about it?"

About to refuse, Lois hesitated. What harm could it do? After all, it=20
wasn't a real date. They were just going to compensate themselves for=20
what Perry had managed to put them through - which, seeing as she=20
wasn't going to confront him about it, was a pretty reasonable=20
proposition. She nodded. "Okay. Where do you suggest? I know a few=20
good restaurants=85"

"Actually, I already have reservations at the Azzuri," Clark informed=20
her. "It's not too far from here - you want to walk?"

Lois covertly observed Clark as they walked; he was certainly very=20
well turned out this evening, she thought in some surprise. While he=20
wore a jacket and tie for work, his shirt and jacket frequently=20
clashed and his ties tended to be on the garish side. His suit,=20
however, was clearly very good quality, well cut, and the charcoal=20
colour suited him. His shirt was crisp white, and his silk tie was -=20
for Clark - very sober. The overall impression, when added to his=20
unusually confident manner, suggested that he could have stepped=20
straight out of the pages of the men's magazine he was carrying.

Outwardly, Clark managed to maintain a casual conversation as he=20
explained where the restaurant was and how he knew about it;=20
inwardly, he was analysing the situation. The Chief *hadn't* actually=20
given them separate assignments after all; it looked very much as if=20
he had been having a joke at their expense instead. So perhaps there=20
wasn't a problem with Clark's work; maybe the partnership wasn't over=20
after all. He felt enormously relieved; although there was still the=20
problem of his relationship with Lois. Except that she *had* agreed=20
to have dinner with him, and she had calmed down and started=20
discussing the situation with him once they'd realised that Perry had=20
to have been behind things.

Lois's pager went off *en route*, and they shared a laugh over Lois's=20
explanation that she had arranged the page in order to provide=20
herself with an escape route should she need one. Clark grinned and=20
observed that he was glad she hadn't felt the need to take the excuse=20
and leave; she threw him a taunting glance and observed acidly that,=20
given it was Clark she was with, if she wanted to go home, she had no=20
need of an excuse.

The restaurant was a pleasant surprise., Lois felt. She hadn't quite=20
been sure what to expect; she had never gone out for a meal with=20
Clark before, even when they had been working late on assignment; the=20
most they had shared was a take-out. She hadn't really given much=20
thought to his preferences in relation to food, although she was=20
aware that he seemed to love junk food. <And just how does he get=20
away with eating all that junk, and snacking on doughnuts four times=20
a day, and manage to keep in shape?> she marvelled enviously.

They were shown to a booth near the back of the trattoria, and the=20
waiter left them to study the menus. Clark immediately selected the=20
wine list and gave Lois a conspiratorial grin. "Okay, let's really=20
push the boat out here - what's your favourite expensive wine?"

Lois leaned across the table to see the list, her gaze skimming down=20
the list of Italian reds and whites; after a discussion of the=20
relative merits of Frascati versus Chianti, they settled on the=20
Chianti. She was initially surprised to discover that Clark was so=20
knowledgeable about wine, until she remembered that he had of course=20
spent several months travelling in Europe some years earlier. He had=20
obviously spent some of that time in Italy, for he began reading=20
aloud the Italian-language descriptions on the menu and translating=20
them for Lois.=20

"You trying to impress me, Kent?" she taunted good-humouredly.

He raised an eyebrow. "I don't think that's possible, Lois - is it?"

Rising to the bait, she caught and held his challenging gaze. "You=20
never know, Clark - one of these days you might just do it."

He didn't take his eyes off her. "I'll aim to surprise you."

Feeling, contrary to all of her expectations and intentions, that she=20
was enjoying herself, Lois switched her attention to her menu and=20
tried to block out the sudden and unexpected thought that Clark Kent=20
was actually pretty good company. If she *had* to go out on a date,=20
she realised, there were a lot worse men she could have been with.=20
Even on the occasions she had spent time with Lex Luthor, who was=20
certainly good company and had the ability to make her feel eminently=20
desirable, she had never felt quite so at ease and relaxed. On the=20
other hand, that might just be because with Clark there was no=20
excitement, no *frisson* of sexual attraction=85 just the comfortable=20
feeling of being with a friend.

And yet=85 Clark wasn't a friend, he was a work colleague. Her=20
occasional partner, and someone who had the ability to irritate her=20
intensely on occasion. Although, she grudgingly conceded, there were=20
also times when he had proven to be a good journalist, and another=20
point in his favour was that he had not allowed her bad moods and=20
occasional sarcasm to put him off. He was almost invariably helpful=20
and courteous - with the *major* exception of their work on the Metro=20
Club story, she remembered suddenly with a spurt of anger.=20

Clark broke the silence after they'd ordered by asking Lois's opinion=20
on the forthcoming mid-term elections, and the ensuing political=20
discussion occupied them until they had almost finished their main=20
courses. Again, Lois found that she was learning more about this=20
near-stranger who was her partner; she had been aware that he had a=20
sharp intelligence - although she considered that it was at times=20
severely compromised by a rather na=EFve outlook on life - but she was=20
also being made aware that he possessed a keen sense of the=20
ridiculous and a lively sense of humour. Well, maybe he wouldn't be=20
such bad company on stake-outs after all=85

He caught her gaze after their plates were removed. "Lois, I meant it=20
when I said I was sorry about what I did to you the other day. It was=20
unprofessional of me, and a lousy way to treat a colleague I respect=20
enormously."

Afterwards, Lois wondered whether she had been mellowed by too much=20
food and good wine. She let him off lightly; she simply studied his=20
earnest expression and decided that the apology was genuine. Simply=20
because she wanted to know, she asked, "So why did you do it?"

He shrugged. "I really was worried that you were in danger - I knew=20
Luthor had recognised you and I thought he'd blow your cover anyway.=20
I suppose I thought I'd better act convincing in front of Toni Taylor=20
and her associates, though that's no excuse at all for being=20
patronising. All I can say is that that's not my usual style, and it=20
won't happen again."

She held his gaze. "See that it doesn't."

Clark hesitated; was it time to clear something else up? "Lois, I=20
didn't invite Toni Taylor around to my apartment. She turned up out=20
of the blue, and I decided to take advantage of it as a way of=20
finding out more about her involvement with the Metros."

Lois froze; she remembered a conversation=85

Clark had said to her, "You're jealous."

She had replied, "Jealous? Hah! That'll be the day=85" And yet,=20
unaccountably, she had been; and even the arrival of Lex Luthor, to=20
assure her that he had no intention of blowing her cover, had not=20
succeeding in cheering her up. But she had *no* intention of allowing=20
Clark to guess any of that. She raised her chin, fixing him with a=20
challenging glare.

"And just tell me, Kent, why do you think that information is of any=20
interest to me?"

Watching her carefully, Clark shrugged. "Just thought I'd clear it=20
up." He wasn't fooled by her sarcastic tone; he had noticed Lois's=20
initial - though quickly disguised - expression of pleasure. Maybe=20
'The Perfect Match' hadn't got things quite so mixed up after all=85=20
Who knew?

*****************

Clark insisted on escorting her home in a taxi after the meal;=20
although she would never have admitted it, Lois was quite glad of the=20
transport. She had been unable to resist the *torte cioccolate* on=20
the dessert menu, and although Clark had helped her to finish it, she=20
had still eaten far more than she should.

He parted company with her at the entrance to her apartment; she=20
hurried upstairs and immediately went to boot up her lap-top. She had=20
a couple of articles to write; her opinion of the agency's service=20
could wait for the time being, but the date diary was crying out for=20
her immediate attention. She sat, brow furrowed, for a few moments as=20
she puzzled out the angle she would take; then began to type=20
furiously.

An hour later, she re-read the piece with some satisfaction. It was=20
suitably bland, which would serve Perry right for wasting her time.=20
She had also managed a couple of subtle digs along the way, about the=20
idiocy of going on a blind date with someone a person had never met,=20
and criticising the pseudo-science of believing that psychometric=20
techniques could possibly identify the basis of romantic attraction.

She reviewed her closing paragraph with a contented smile.=20

"I will concede that my date was reasonably good company in the end,=20
and if I hadn't been registered with the agency solely for research=20
purposes, I might have considered seeing him again - but only as a=20
friend. There was certainly no romantic 'spark', and for me that=20
proves that romance cannot be reduced to a set of questions and=20
answers, and a series of algorithms on a computer. Human beings are=20
far more complex than a computer programme. If I really was looking=20
for my 'Perfect Match', the man who could sweep me off my feet is=20
probably not one who believes love can be programmed."

*****************

The following afternoon, Lois marched into the editor's office and=20
dropped a couple of double-spaced typed pages onto his desk. "Here's=20
those dating agency pieces, Perry - you'll be disappointed, 'cause=20
there's no real scandal there. It's all pretty predictable stuff."

The editor threw her a sceptical glance. "Did you go on your date?"

Lois shrugged. "Yeah, last night. Nothing to write home about - but=20
he was inoffensive enough, I guess. Anyway, it's all yours now, and=20
that's the last time I'm doing this kind of teen-magazine stuff!"

She marched out of the office, slamming the door behind her. Perry=20
ignored her tetchy exit, and began instead to skim through the=20
article. For Lois, it was anodyne in the extreme; but on the other=20
hand, Perry had not been editor-in-chief of the Daily Planet for as=20
long as he had without knowing how to read between the lines. And, of=20
course, Clark Kent had handed in his account of his own date earlier=20
that same afternoon.=20

Perry smiled in secret amusement, wondering if Lane and Kent had any=20
idea of how comprehensively they had been set up. He would publish=20
the articles, bland as they were; Alice's friend Marian Pearson=20
deserved the free advertising. She had delivered the goods exactly as=20
discussed, even arranging the 'date' for the day they had agreed=20
upon. She had even returned the cashier's cheques with which Lois and=20
Clark had paid their membership fees.=20

Alice would enjoy her lunch-date with Marian tomorrow, Perry thought=20
fondly, as his eye fell on his desk-calendar, displaying today's=20
date. April 2nd=85

*******************

Lois searched the newsroom discreetly; there was no  sign of Clark=20
anywhere, and his jacket was not hanging on the back of his chair.=20
That meant he had to be out of the office somewhere. Sidling over to=20
his desk, she sat down and called up his file menu to search for=20
anything which looked like it might be his dating agency article.=20

<Bingo!> she thought, spotting a file entitled 'Perfect Match'; she=20
opened it and found an article which commented on the agency's=20
methods and vetting procedures. It was written in quite positive=20
terms, which didn't surprise Lois. Her own piece had contained some=20
barbed criticisms in relation to the cost and the matches she had=20
been offered, and she had also criticised the underlying premise=20
behind agencies such as this one: that they promoted the idea that=20
people could not possibly achieve fulfilment without marriage. She=20
scanned down the article, but found no reference to the 'date', so=20
she returned to the file manager, finally discovering a file entitled=20
'Report'. <Not exactly obvious> she thought sardonically,=20
conveniently ignoring the fact that Clark presumably hadn't expected=20
her or anyone else to be searching for the file on his computer.

Clark had written an account of the evening in a style which she=20
recognised as one of his strengths. His description was humorous and=20
self-deprecating; his 'date' was portrayed as an attractive and=20
interesting companion, and Clark made it clear that he had enjoyed=20
the evening. The final paragraph caught her attention: Clark had=20
written,

"As far as my impressions of my date were concerned, 'The Perfect=20
Match' had lived up to the promises in their brochure: I felt that my=20
partner for the evening was someone I would like very much to see=20
again. Unfortunately for me, she wasn't of the same opinion. Although=20
we did get on well, it seemed that I wasn't her type. You can't win=20
'em all, as the saying goes - though if she reads this, I would=20
remind her that she picked me as her date too!"

A voice from over Lois's shoulder remarked, "You did, Lois, you can't=20
deny it!"

She swung round; Clark stood behind her, a broad grin on his face as=20
he realised that she had been reading his article. She glared at him.=20
"Like I said, you were the least worst choice - so you needn't read=20
anything into it."

Clark shrugged. "You still chose me - *and* you had a good time last=20
night, contrary to your expectations."

Lois got to her feet in what she hoped was a dignified manner. "Maybe=20
I did - but don't hold your breath for a repeat performance."

As she brushed past him, head held high, he watched her walk away, a=20
wry smile on his face. <One of these days, Lois=85 one of these days=85>

 -  The End  -

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In regards to the comics survey, I am one FOLC who does read them.
However I started reading them after I started watching LnC. Actually my
boyfriend got me interested in the comics. I still gets me that Lois has
such a limited role in them.
Never having read Silver Age I can't give you an opinion on it. I do know
that when John Byrne revamped the storyline in 1986, his decision to keep
the Kents alive into Clark's adulthood was a big deal.

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I just wanted to thank all of you who helped me out with web sites for
fanfics. You were all a big help. Thanks again.

==

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Wendy, I really like this so far.  I can hardly wait gor the next one!
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Hi.  Part two came across my laptop as I was sending my previous comment.
Great
job!!  I like the light stories, and I really enjoyed this one.
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Wendy,

I loved this.  It's a cute little story that helps to deal with Lois'
inevitable hostility after IGACOY.  I thought it was very funny.

Looking forward to your next story.

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Frank.Ward wrote:

> >>I'm 35 and I enjoy watching them too. Of course, having 5 and 8 year
> old
> girls gives me a good excuse to buy them.  Larry Boy is _one of_ my
> favorite
> heroes, even if he is patterned more after Batman.
>
> Is it my imagination, or are we getting WAY off topic. :)  Maybe we
> should
> talk about how Clark would react to watching an episode of VT.
> nahh.<<

Okay Okay! I can't handle it anymore!! What is Veggie T.V???!!  I'm a
mom of a 7 year old and I still don't know what this is. We do have
cable too, but never heard of it!?

jme;)

>
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As promised <grin> here goes my feedback to the story I just read.

Really, Wendy, the one word that comes to mind is . . . Wow! :)  The premise
for this story - Lois and Clark meeting through a dating service, so to
speak -  is one I've never seen before and you pulled it off great!  You
were totally in character for both Lois and Clark early 1st season.  Also,
Perry setting it all up was an ingenious idea!  I've always thought that
Perry's 'keeping out of it' attitude was really out of character and you
gave me that vision of the Chief that I'd always wanted - him working behind
the scenes to get Lois and Clark together.

I laughed almost the entire way through it and Lois 's 'skulking' behind the
pillar almost had me in tears, because I can just *see* Lois doing that.

All in all, it was a truly enjoyable story and I can't understand why you
had any concerns about your comedic ability, because you pulled it off
superbly!

Thank you *so* much for this cute and funny break from my workday.  I can't
wait to see what comes next from you! :)

Mandy
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Sheila wrote:

>I wonder if there is a sense of intimacy or connection involved in
>requesting a story from an author that makes people more apt to comment on
>the story afterwards.  It seems to me that when my stuff is available in
>archives (including the S5, TUFS, and S6 sites) or arrives automatically
>through a list-serv, people are less apt to write to tell me what they
>thought of it.  That may just be my perception, though.  Do any of you
other
>writers have a similar or different experience?
>
I dunno, Sheila. Although I haven't yet gotten around to finishing any of
the fic outlined on my hd that would be posted to the Archive (sigh....not
enough days, not enough hours.....), my own experience has been fairly even
handed. I don't think (as far as I recall anyway) that I've ever received
feedback from anyone who said they read my fanfic through Debby's mailing
list for example. But on the other hand, from quite recently, I do note that
most of the people who write me say that they caught up with them on Anne's
archive site, so that's proved very successful for me.

LabRat :)
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At 10:06 AM -0500 3/12/99, Sheila Harper wrote:

>I wonder if there is a sense of intimacy or connection involved in
>requesting a story from an author that makes people more apt to comment on
>the story afterwards.  It seems to me that when my stuff is available in
>archives (including the S5, TUFS, and S6 sites) or arrives automatically
>through a list-serv, people are less apt to write to tell me what they
>thought of it.  That may just be my perception, though.  Do any of you
other
>writers have a similar or different experience?

I have had the same experience.  I received much more feedback on the
stories I distribute myself than the ones that are Archived.  Now when I
pass out my stories, I always make a personal request for comments.  I
still don't get them from everyone, but more than I did when they got them
automatically.

I will say that the Writer's Showcase promopted several requests.  I had
several emails from people saying they'd read about my stories in my
Showcase and were intrigued.  Those seem especially nice to get. :)

Kathy

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jme wrote--
>>Okay Okay! I can't handle it anymore!! What is Veggie T.V???!!  I'm
a mom of a 7 year old and I still don't know what this is. We do have
cable too, but never heard of it!?

VT stands for Veggie Tales, the hottest trend in Christian children's
videos.  Each tape is a half an hour long and features
1) a short Bible lesson
2) "Silly Songs with Larry" the cucumber
3) a modern day story following the same theme as the Bible lesson, and
4) a short Bible verse from Qwerty the computer
All of the stories are done by a stock cast of vegetables (no pun
intended), featuring Bob the tomato, Larry the cucumber, Junior
asparagus and the asparagus family, Pa Grape, and assorted peas for
extras, etc. .  It's written for ages 3 and up, but our family owns,
borrows, and rents Veggie Tales and there's not a child in sight.  I
must warn you, the music is totally addictive.  Each video contains at
least one, if not two or three, song viruses designed to stay with you
for days at a time.

For more information, visit http://www.veggietales.net/

And now, back to fanfic

Elisabeth
and now it's time for Silly Songs with Wanda Detroit...
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Hi Wendy, I don't know how you keep turning out these consistantly great
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At 10:56 AM -1000 3/12/99, Jamee Jones wrote:
>Okay Okay! I can't handle it anymore!! What is Veggie T.V???!!  I'm a
>mom of a 7 year old and I still don't know what this is. We do have
>cable too, but never heard of it!?

Veggie Tales is not on network or cable television. It is an animated
series out on tape for children (though as you've seen, many adults and
teens like it too).  They are technically religious tapes, but they are
hysterical, even if you aren't particularly church-going.  You can find
them in your local religious bookstore, but there are also some episodes in
Wal-Mart and Target now.  It's also been written up by the Wall Street
Journal and various news wire services.

To give you an idea of the types of stories and why they appeal to adults,
the tape on forgiveness has the Veggies doing a parody of "Gilligan's
Island" (where the Professor makes a helicopter out of bamboo and coconuts
to save them <g>).  There are also kid-versions of bible stories, like
"David and Goliath" where young Dave brings his brothers pizza on the front
lines ("cheese in the crust! That's tremendous!").  And when the Walls of
Jerico fall down in another story, one of the veggies is seen blinking from
the dust and muttering "What a day to wear my contacts. Anyone got any
saline??"  They are fast-paced with lots of throw-away jokes, and lots of
funny, clever songs.

Anyone who wants more information is welcome to write me privately. :)

Kathy (who can hear the people who hate all the off-topic list mail
screaming now <g>)

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>hi!

I was wondering something.  Does anyone know how to switch your email
address to a different one so it sends to a different address?

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At 4:28 PM -0600 3/12/99, Cliff Englert wrote:
>>hi!
>
>
>I was wondering something.  Does anyone know how to switch your email
>address to a different one so it sends to a different address?

You have to unsubscribe from your old address and resubscribe with your new
address.  If you want to be sure you don't miss any mail, resubscribe
first, then unsubscribe from the address you don't want.

Kathy

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Just got home and read your story.  I loved it and thought it was cute and
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<< I've come to the conclusion I'm *never* going to catch up;p >>

Margaret, I'm glad to hear this confession from you and others - at least I
have company in my guilt.  I tried so hard to get more stories read in time
for Kerth nominations, but I didn't make it.  Luckily, the five or so
stories
I planned to nominate all made the list without my help.  Folcs have such
good
taste. <g>

I have the most trouble with reading the longer stories, partly because I
have
limited time to spend at the computer, but also, even if my time were
totally
free, I eventually tire of reading off the monitor.  Anyone else have this
problem?  I like to read the *printed* word.  I've attempted to print out
some
stories for bedtime reading, but it doesn't take but a couple of magnum
opuses
(opi?) to exhaust our printer's ink cartridge, not to mention the stacks of
paper used.

I have at this point read all the stories in only four Kerth categories, but
I'm working on the others.  My main thought so far is amazement at the
overall
quality of the stories.  I can only theorize that Folc writers, having read
what's out there so far, feel forced to work harder to make their stories
live
up to the current standard.  And their work is paying off.  Last year I
literally had to toss a coin to vote in some categories - this year I may
need
a five-sided coin to toss!

I also plead guilty of not giving feedback to authors - I'll try to do
better.
<g>  For a start, I'd like to say that I feel honored to have my story
included in the the Next-Gen, Early Years category.  The other stories
nominated in this group are so excellent.  Coincidentally all four are among
my favorites from any category because I especially hunger to read stories
about the early years and next generation, which I suppose is one reason I
tried one myself.  Anyway, thanks to Kathryn, Molly, Wendy, and Crystal for
feeding my hunger.

And now back to reading. <g>

Donna H
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I noticed from other posts,you'd gotten most of the L&C fanfic sites I had
saved, but in the off chance all of your bookmarks weren't L&C - here's a
few
I have saved:

Fanfic:

Fan Fiction on the Net
http://members.aol.com/KSNicholas/fanfic

Father's Online Library (Beauty and the Beast)
http://www.a1.com/bluebird/library/library.htm

The Official J/C Story Index (Star Trek Voyager, Janway/Chakotay)
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/4418/jetcindx.htm

www.fkfanfic.com: Forever Knight Fan Fiction
http://www.fkfanfic.com/

Sandy's L&C fanfiction
http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy

Tales by the OdoGoddess...(DS9 Odo/Kira fanfic)
http://members.aol.com/OdoGoddess/Tales.html

J&D Storybook (B5 john and delenn fanfic)
ftp://ftp.valleynetworking.net/pub/jdstory/default.htm

Fanfic reference

Fan Fiction on the Net - Writer's Reference
http://members.aol.com/KSNicholas/fanfic/writer.html

Common Errors in English
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians/errors/errors.html

M.U.S.I.C. - Song Information Links
http://www.lyrics.ch/

Lori
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Date:         Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:18:54 -0500
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I like to talk with my friends about music, only thing is, whenever
I try to type CD, I always comes out, DC the first time around.
<g>

Meanwhile back at the farm......

(another babbling episode! don't say I didn't warn ya!)

Just wanted to say, once I was called to Jury Duty and asked
a whole bunch of questions about whether I could be impartial.
I remember one of my answers very clearly, because it was
like a lightbulb that went off at that moment, like, OH! Yeah!
Right! Aha! so *that's* how it works!

Basically they asked me if I could just take the facts of the
case and concentrate only on those facts ignoring any other extenuating
circumstance.  Well, I answered, I'm a writer (though not a
fanfic writer <g>) and I really believe everything you live through,
every experience you have, shapes who you are at that moment.
You do not live in a vacuum and don't just do certain things
unrelated to the other aspects of your life.  I believe when I sit
down and write something, the sum of what I have lived is with me.
And the end result will always be a reflection of the different
experiences I have gone through at that particular moment.

My recent quote of the zoomster comes to mind, and as she
mentioned and rightly so, what she thought and wrote when
the show was airing is different from what she may think and
write now, and will probably be different from her opinions
10 years from now, or even tomorrow <g>.

My point (and I do have one!) Is that I believe the
fanfic authors are enriched by our
tangents and take everything with them to the writing
experience.  As a reader I can tell you I am enriched from
learning about new cultures, different experiences, and
even those veggie-thingies :o)

One of the very best things about this lists for me
is precisely that element of hmmm, what will
be in my mailbox today? A new story? Some interesting,
insightful analysis? Will we discuss something about the
NK Arc again so I have a really good excuse to ponder
the beauty of Black Suits and scientifically compare
Black to Blue, pec by pec, oops! uhm, inch by inch, uh,
well.....you know..... :o)

See? I get to have *fun* and communicate with
interesting people about a topic I find inspiring,
entertaining and enriching.  Works for me!

Oh, and I also did want to say, being the
Official Kerth Groupie and all, that
I too have been lax in expressing my opinions
and gratitude to the wonderful authors we
have in a more consistent way on this list.
I'm not quite sure if I ever will either....
First due to my babbling tendencies, I've always
thought the author would want to know
how truly wonderful they are, but I don't
dissect stories, analyze intentions, or comment
on things like character motivation.    And I don't
do grammar (as you can see by my ever-so-eternal-
run-on-sentences <g>)  Basically, I drool.

Us, groupies, we do that real well.  I love a story and
I tell  <insert your fave right here>
I loved this scene and that scene...and sometimes
I can go on (and on and on) ;o) basically, just drooling
over such a wondrous work of fiction.
So, I figure, you guys don't want
to read that, and I do my drooling in private <g>

Uhm, except ofcourse that time I was on the channel
and met crystal wimmer for the first time and
had my own little drool-fest in cyber space. I had
just finished reading Full Circle and was in groupie
heaven!  And those Round Robin things, for you they
may be writing sessions, for me, more like Fan Club
meetings ;o).  You cannot imagine how ultra-cool I think
it is to sit and actually *watch* you incredible author
people, in action-- creating. I mean, how cool is that?
(don't mind me, drooling....)  Hmmm, I really wish
I could attend those more often, will have to see
about that.....

Prying fingers away from keyboard now........

~Maggie ~
Founding member of the Jernigan
Admiration Society (once, after a whole weekend
of reading Pam Stories, I got *really* inspired!)

maggie13@bellsouth.net  (aka supermags on IRC)
We read books to find out who we are.
What other people, real or imaginary, do
and think and feel is an essential guide
to our understanding of what we ourselves
are and may become.  Ursula K. LeGuin
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Wendy!!

That story was totally awesome!!!  I really loved it!!!!!!

It was soo funny!!  Keep up the good work!!!!!!

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Date:         Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:46:04 -0500
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Subject:      OT (a little): Archive Troubles. :(
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I hate to bother everyone with something so seemingly insignificant, but
does anyone know why I keep receiving the following message everytime I go
to the fanfic archive?

JavaScript Error: http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/, line 154:

syntax error.

if (an != "Netscape") {srb=screen.colorDep> <HR><H3>Transfer
interrupted!</H3> >
............................................^

Has anyone else been receiving this error?  I thought it might just be a
problem with Netscape, but I also tried accessing the Archive with Internet
Explorer, and received a similar message.  The page then proceeds to
download flawlessly, but the message is scary.  Should I be worried about
this?

That's all.

Karen :)
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Date:         Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:57:27 -0500
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From:         Sheila Harper <sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US>
Subject:      Re: Cl-  and this list :o)
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At 08:18 PM 3/12/99 -0500, Maggie wrote:
>I tell  <insert your fave right here>
>I loved this scene and that scene...and sometimes
>I can go on (and on and on) ;o) basically, just drooling
>over such a wondrous work of fiction.
>So, I figure, you guys don't want
>to read that, and I do my drooling in private <g>

LOL, Maggie!  You think I'd want to shut up a drooler like that?  Are you
kidding?  <g>  However, the rest of the list might not want to read it, so I
can understand your saving your responses for private email.  Just keep
sharing your drool fests with the appropriate authors, and we'll stay happy
<g>.

Sheila
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Date:         Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:04:58 EST
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From:         Barbara Garonzik <Bsg2351@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: OFF TOPIC> Veggie Tales (was Re: Kathy's Chatter)
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In a message dated 3/12/99 2:21:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes:

<< Kathy (who can hear the people who hate all  >>

If you like to talk with tomatoes
If a squash can make you smile
If you want to waltz with potatoes
Up and down the produce aisle

Have we got a show for you!

I love VeggieTales.  Can you tell?

Barb2
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Date:         Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:32:26 +1100
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From:         Jenny Stosser <jenerator@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
Subject:      Re: Cl-  (was Re: Zoomway's fanfic sessions)
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At 09:14 AM 12/03/99 -0500, Donna Burton wrote:
>My problem is with St. Louis, which keeps wanting to write itself as
>"St. Lois"  ;-)
>
>Donna in Schenectady
>burtond@union.edu

Some years ago, I was typing up resumes for people at an employment agency;
one particular position I was working on involved "superannuation" which
kept coming out as "supermannuation" instead.
Jen
jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn
(Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318
Photos of David (6) and Megan (3) on the Stosser Family HomePage:
http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583  Please sign our guestbook!
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Date:         Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:45:17 -0500
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>From: CBrown9908@aol.com
>To: d.arendt@worldnet.att.net
>Subject: Fwd: Fw: [Fwd: Fw: [Fwd: Jesus and Satan]]
>Date: March 13, 1999
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Date:         Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:48:27 -0500
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Sorry!!!!! didn't mean to send out to every one........just not paying
attention, I quess.
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Date:         Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:59:31 -0500
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What a fun little story, Wendy!  I skimmed it at work, and even reading it
at (semi)superspeed, I still found myself grinning repeatedly.  I only felt
uncomfortable at one point:

>>Lois was a colleague,
and someone he would like to have as *more* than a colleague; and yet
he had undermined her, blown her cover on a story, patronised her,
touched her inappropriately - and then accused her of being jealous
when she had turned up at his apartment demanding to know precisely
what he had thought he was doing.<<

Excellent summary of how the incident appeared from Lois's point of view,
and I'm really glad that Clark recognized it.  However:

>>He winced now as he remembered the
final insult before he had thrown her into that dumpster: he had
patted her backside. *Why* had he done that? It had been a
petty-minded gesture, just as dropping her into that dumpster had
been - and to add further insult to injury, he had deliberately
chosen the one containing rotting vegetables. <<

I was left feeling like *he* didn't know why he did it, when I'm firmly
convinced that Clark had his reasons at the time.  I'm not saying that they
were valid, but your handling of it left me feeling more like you couldn't
come up with a justification for his behavior than that *he* had decided
that his behavior was totally unjustified.

You might throw the question out to the group.  I know there are several
people on the list who defend Clark's actions in IGACOY whenever Zoom picks
up her hammer (hi, Zoom <g>).  For example, Zoom gave a possible motivation
for Clark's proposing to Lois before he told her his secret, and I'll
probably use it sometime when Clark is reflecting on the hash he made of
proposing to Lois that first time.  That's the sort of thing I mean:  the
character should have some motivation for behaving as he/she does, even if
we don't agree with it.

Anyway, fixing that bit would strengthen the story a lot (for me :).  But I
really enjoyed the rest--like I do all your work, Wendy.

Sheila
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In a message dated 99-03-12 20:05:01 EST, maggie13@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:

<< Just wanted to say, once I was called to Jury Duty and asked
 a whole bunch of questions about whether I could be impartial. >>

And so did your answer get you excused or on the case?

--Laurie (inquiring minds want to know)
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>I also could not find "Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue" anywhere so could I
>also be sent a copy?  Thanks!! :o)
>
>Starfire
>
I couldn't find this either, so I would begrateful if somebody could send me
a copy as well.

Regards
Eileen B
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>I eventually tire of reading off the monitor.  Anyone else have this
>problem?  I like to read the *printed* word.  I've attempted to print out
some
>stories for bedtime reading, but it doesn't take but a couple of magnum
opuses
>(opi?) to exhaust our printer's ink cartridge, not to mention the stacks of
>paper used.

I agree that reading off of a monitor is a pain in the neck, literally. I
solved this by printing out stories in groups of about 10-15. I print in
landscape mode with 2 columns, in Ariel 7 pt type and on both sides of the
paper using my printer's "economy" mode.  I have MS Word set up to do most
of this formatting automatically.  Then I have them spiral bound by a local
copy shop.   Using this format I can print out a story like "Meet Me in
Kansas City" using only 28 sheets of paper.  (It started out 230 pages
long.) It was this story, one of my all-time favorites, that started me on
the road to finding a better way to read fanfic.  I read it straight through
without a break and then had a stiff neck for a week <g>.

(BTW, my eye doctor isn't crazy about my reading off of the monitor *or*
reading Ariel 7pt type <g>.)

Patty C
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>>I eventually tire of reading off the monitor.  Anyone else have this
>>problem?  I like to read the *printed* word.  >I agree that reading off of
a monitor is a pain in the neck, literally. I
>solved this by printing out stories in groups of about 10-15. I print in
>landscape mode with 2 columns, in Ariel 7 pt type and on both sides of the
>paper using my printer's "economy" mode.  I have MS Word set up

I have this problem as well and I also print them off in economy mode using
both sides of the paper.  I don't have them bound however, as I found this
too expensive when I enquired.  A while ago I acquired a pile of sturdy flat
plastic ring binders.  These are very cheap to buy here in London if you go
to one of those specialist stationery shops that cater for small businesses
and buy in bulk - you may have a similar shop where you live; maybe search
the net for something similar.   I have been downloading the stories from
the archives on to disk and then printing them off and I suspect that I have
at least a years worth of reading.  I didn't dream that there were so many
stories out there.

I started off reading them on my laptop but I still got achy eyes from
staring at the screen for so long - the printed word is certainly much
easier on the eye.

Happy reading

Regards
Eileen B
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Maggie said/drooled: <g>
<< And those Round Robin things, for you they may be writing sessions,
for me, more like Fan Club meetings ;o).>>

Hmmm, I wonder if I could get time off from work by saying I have an
"important meeting" to attend.... <g>

Cristin (who has already requested time off because she is going to "an
awards ceremony" <g> Hey, it's true... he doesn't have to know it's
online <g>)

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First time out of lurk mode, so I might not do this properly. :)

Like many others, I've always assumed that one should *not* post general
kudos and what-have-you to this list, but it should be directed to the
author privately. This was reinforced when Kathy (I think), right after I
first joined this list, sort of apologized for publicly commenting on the
fic (whose name escapes me at the moment) that placed L&C in a WWII setting.

Since I now know that it's officially approved, ;) let me say that Wendy,
that "Perfect Match" was an enjoyable little romp. I do love the idea that
Lois is rather uncomfortably confronted with the realization that the
"farmboy" has most of the qualities she'd look for! Like Sheila, I thought
that Clark did have his good reasons for blowing Lois' cover in IGACOY,
even if he did go overboard; but that didn't really bother me.

Now, a spoiler alert for those who haven't read Wendy's latest story yet,
so skip the next paragraph if you haven't:

What I would like to suggest, though, is that the story might have been
heightened if we didn't discover that one of the two was "assigned" to the
blind date until the last moment. As it was, it was incredibly obvious what
was going to happen. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, but
humorous stories do improve with a bit of surprise. Most of us would
probably *guess* that the pairing of the two was inevitable, but that's not
the same as knowing from up front. Since most of the story is told from
Clark's POV, perhaps we could first discover Lois' involvement when she's
hurrying to the bar and fiddling with her beeper (classic Lois, BTW).
Enough of the story is given in "flashback" mode instead of being directly
presented that I don't think many of the details would be lost. "How could
this be you? A *lawyer* who *wants* kids!?" "Well, that's what I told
them..." Most of Lois' attitude could easily come out in the conversation
with Clark at the bar, without too much trouble. Once the whole thing is
out in the open, of course, the switching off between POVs could continue
easily enough.

Or so I think. I'm a writer in RL, not fanfic, and *everyone* knows that
fanfic readers are *much* more picky. :) So while I wouldn't presume to
tell a fabulous author like Wendy what to do, I hope my suggestion isn't
considered presumptuous.

Hazel (who wishes someone would explain how to attach one's post to a
former thread)
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Hi everyone!

Sorry for those of you FoLCs who end up getting this twice, but I wanted to
make sure as many people as possible could hear this.

First of all, I need to tell you all how suprised and delighted I am at the
tremendous amount of voting participation we've had this past week!  So far
we've had upwards of 80 votes, and that's still with one week of voting time
left!  So thank you to everyone who has participated.  I'm thrilled that
there are so many of you out there who are excited about this year's Kerths!
;)

Now, would anyone like a little "spoiling"?  <eg>  No, I'm not about to give
away any titles, etc of the leaders.  You should know better than that.  ;)
But I *will* pass this along:  Do you have any idea how close the voting
numbers are??  We have several categories that are moving forward with 2, 3
and YES, even FOUR -WAY ties, even *after* 80 plus votes!!  I'm shocked to
see that we have SEVEN categories where the story leaders are tied, or
separated by one or two votes.  Heaven help me if some of these categories
end up being tied when voting closes.  :P  Well, I'll just cross that bridge
when I come to it, I guess.  <g>  But my point is, be sure to vote!  Your
vote could easily make the difference between your favorite story winning or
losing in these tight races.  ;)  Also, I think that says a LOT for those
authors who've written such great stories.  They're so good that ppl can't
decide on a clear winner!  Nice work, authors!

Now, on to other Kerth news:

POTENTIAL KERTH AWARD WINNERS:  Our very own Demi has volunteered to put
together an Awards Certificate!  I asked her to help me with the one I made
a few weeks ago, but what she ended up putting together made mine look like
something my six-year-old made in Kindergarden.  <g>  That doesn't say a
whole heckuva lot for my graphics skills, does it?  :)  But seriously,
Demi's awards certificate is a thing of beauty.  I've put a jpg of it up on
my website:  www.ida.net/users/davek/kerths.html  Once you're at that Kerths
page, click on the "Kerth Awards Certificate" link to view it!  It's got a
generic author name and story title on it for now, but when the awards are
over, she'll customize it with your name and story title, then email you the
certif as a jpg attachment.  (I think that's what she was planning on doing.
<sg>)  And for those of you who are absolutely dying for a printed out copy
of it that you can frame, we're working on that, as well.  We'll keep you
posted.

LAST YEAR'S KERTH WINNERS:  Are you interested in getting a copy of this
certificate, too?  We never did little golden statuettes <g> for last year,
so if you'd like this to make up for that, let me know.  You can email me
at:  erink@ida.net .

KERTH AWARD CEREMONY WAVS.  For those of you who attended the ceremony on
IRC last year, you'll remember all those great wavs we played during the
ceremony.  For those of you who weren't there, that's what we did.  :)  We
had commercial break songs, music for the beginning of the ceremony when
guests and attendees were filing in <g>, etc.  It was a lot of fun!  Those
sounds will be available for downloading on a fellow FoLCs site within the
next few days, so I'll keep you posted on that URL.  (I'm sure this generous
volunteer is hating my guts right about now, because I emailed her all 24 of
them, and some of them I forgot to zip.  OOPS. <sg>)

IRC TUTORIAL:  Today's IRC tutorial was a HUGE success, and the turnout was
great!  I really hope everyone who was there learned how to IRC.  It's a lot
of fun!  If there is anyone else who wanted to be there but couldn't, but
you still want to learn how to use IRC so you can join us for the ceremony,
email me at erink@ida.net

KERTH CEREMONY PRESENTERS STILL NEEDED!  At last count, Pam, our Awards
Ceremony Coordinatory (hi Pam!  ;)  said she needed 6 more presenters.  If
you don't know what a presenter is, it's someone who is willing to be on the
Awards stage on IRC to say a little something about the category you are
presenting the award for, then announce the name of the winner.  Easy, but
fun!  :)  Anyone want to volunteer?  If so, email Pam at:
jernigan@bellsouth.net

Okay, that's it for the Kerths news, I think.  (I can just hear your
collective sighs of relief <g>)  I'll keep you posted with more info in the
next few days!  And remember to get out and vote this week, everyone!  But
be sure to visit my Kerths Voting FAQ page to make sure you know all the
voting rules before you do so:
http://www.ida.net/users/davek/kerth_voting.htm

Thanks!  I'll TTYL!

Your Kerth Awards Coordinator,

Erin  :)
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Maggie please post your drool-fests to the list.  Nice to know I'm not the
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        Brenda
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>> and now it's time for Silly Songs with Wanda Detroit... <<

Elisabeth, that's the funniest thing I've heard all day... thank you! =

<vbg>

Kathy gave some examples of the clever writing ... my favorite might stil=
l
be this exchange between Larry the Cucumber & Bob the Tomato...

Larry:  Aren't you wired?  Online?  Surfing the web?  HTML, good buddy!
Bob:  Uh, I got cable last month...
Larry:  You are *so* early nineties.

but there's a lot of fun stuff there; I'd recommend it for anyone,
especially those with small kids.  My 2-year old *loves* them...

PJ =

who really shouldn't be contributing to off-topic chatter <g> but
couldn't resist

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I had originally been replying to these requests personally, but, since
there have been so many, and they seem to keep coming, I'll reply to this
one publicly (hope you don't mind, Eileen). :)

>>I also could not find "Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue" anywhere so could I
>>also be sent a copy?  Thanks!! :o)
>>
>>Starfire
>>
>I couldn't find this either, so I would begrateful if somebody could send
me
>a copy as well.
>
>Regards
>Eileen B
>eileen@barnard70.freeserve.co.uk

Actually, I no longer have a copy of the version that was posted to the
list.  It got lost somewhere between my new and old computers.  However,
I'm hard at work (or I will be eventually) on my revisions to "Nightmare"
and hope to be done with them in the next month or so (if I'm lucky -- this
fic just doesn't want to finish itself!).  Anyhow, I plan to repost this
fic once it has been rehashed.  So, for those of you who can't seem to find
it in your mailboxes, if you can sit tight just a little while longer,
hopefully I'll have a new and improved version coming your way soon.
However, if, like me, you aren't patient at all <g>, I believe that this
list has an archive where you can read any and all messages that have
previously been posted.  I imagine you'd be able to find the original
version of "Nightmare" there if you really wanted to. ;)  Unfortunately, in
the process of changing computers, the URL to this site seems to be one of
the many things I have temporarily misplaced; otherwise, I'd be happy to
post it. :)

Anyhow, I think I've rambled on long enough now. ;)

Talk to you all later,
Karen :)
who is excited that there are people who actually want to read her work :)
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I still have Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue. So if anyone still needs
it, e-mail me privately and I would be happy to forward it to you. I
will try and forward it to those who need it sometime tomorrow (3/14)
later in the day. (that way, it will give you time to e-mail me)

Stacy

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Hi again everyone  ;)

My ISP had a few problems today, so there were several ppl who emailed me to
let me know they couldn't find the link to the Kerth Awards certificate that
I told everyone about earlier today.  Long story short <g>, the link has
finally gotten out there and is ready for viewing.  Let's hope!  <crossing
my fingers>

Erin  :)
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At 6:20 PM -0500 3/13/99, Karen Ward wrote:
> I believe that this
>list has an archive where you can read any and all messages that have
>previously been posted.  I imagine you'd be able to find the original
>version of "Nightmare" there if you really wanted to. ;)

The URL for this fanfic listserv archive is:

http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html

It has all the previous posts since the beginning.  In fact, I know of
several FoLCs who don't subscribe to this listserv at all, but treat this
archive like a message boards and just visit once a week or so to read all
the posts.

Kathy

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Stacy wrote:

>I still have Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue. So if anyone still needs
>it, e-mail me privately and I would be happy to forward it to you. I
>will try and forward it to those who need it sometime tomorrow (3/14)
>later in the day. (that way, it will give you time to e-mail me)

Thanks, Stacy!  You are too kind! :)  How would you like to be my public
relations officer? ;)

Karen :)
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Hello Brenda, Laurie, folcy buddies :o)

[Brenda, you have just been elected Official
Kerth Groupie #2 by Official Kerth Groupie #1
meet me at the peanut gallery in the main hall,
Awards show night <g>]

First things first,

<drool mode activated>

Can you imagine the palpitations I had when I saw
Sheila -fan-fiction-goddess- Harper responded
to my little rambling!?!?!?!

I am *still* inhaling Dean-exhaling Cain.....
trying to recover from the excitement!
Let me take a moment to let the Deanness
surround me before I continue................

okay, all better now.......

<drool mode --- neutralized>

>babble mode still on HIGH<

As for Jury Duty, I'm posting this
to the list instead of just to Laurie
because, A. I am an expert at filing
the connection between Lois and Clark
and anything from Lima Beans
(bet ya Martha made Clark eat them
when he was 12) to Jury Duty
(bet Lois would have answered in a
similar manner) and B. in my universe,
posting a Tangent qualifies as living dangerously
whoopee! :o)

And yes, I was excused from Jury Duty
that day.  Although I don't think it was
due to that answer.  You see their next question
was related to Police Officers--who
were main witnesses in the case.
They asked if we saw Police Officers'
testimony as different from that of
any other regular witness.  If we held
Police Officers in higher esteem than
other types of people.

Now, being the Fan of Truth and
Justice that I am, what do you think
I answered? hehehe

First, yes I would put more weight
on what the police officer says,
as compared to say, the store
clerk or next door neighbor.
I figure they are extensively
trained to notice details,
what people are wearing, how tall they are
what car they just drove off in.
And secondly, I view police
people as defenders of my
whole truth and justice motif.
Sure there are good ones and
bad ones, but to me the bulk
of the people who choose to spend
their lives defending ours
deserve my greatest respect.

I can see it now, Lois asked to Jury Duty,
Hey! there's a great round robin about that!
anyway, Superman is a Main Witness...........

Defense Attorney #1: Now, Miss Lane, due to your
personal relationship with one of the key eye witnesses
do you believe you could be impartial when evaluating
the evidence against my client?

LL: Impartial!? I'm a reporter! I am impartial every day!
Just because Superman fights for truth and justice,
protects this city and all of us from danger and time
bombs and lunatics and mad scientists, just because
his only concern is public good, and he has no vested interest
what so ever in the results of this case, except for
the truth to be known, just because he has
saved my life countless times *and* your client's
life, twice! Why, would that influence my opinion?

Defense Attorney #2:  Miss Lane, are you now
or have you ever been a member of Superman's
Fan Club?

LL:  Well I don't see what that has to do with
anything. I mean really, I can't believe you
would ask me, surely there are more important---

Judge: Miss Lane, please answer the question.

LL: (mumbles) the treasurer

Defense Attorney #1:  I'm sorry, I didn't quite
hear your answer.  What did you say Miss Lane?

LL: I'm the treasurer okay? They asked me if
I'd help out and I have all this free time on Sunday
nights and it's not like my social calendar is
booked, I mean I don't even *have* a social
calendar and the only person I really spend time
with is Clark, well he's my partner, and it's for
work and it's not like Superman doesn't have enough
to do and

Judge:  Miss Lane?

LL: and I really don't see what this has to do with
my ability to discern what really happened, just
because I happen to think......

Judge: Miss Lane.

LL: ..........Superman.......

Judge: Miss Lane!

LL: (looks up sweetly) Yes, Your Honor?

Judge: You are excused.

LL: But your honor, I.....

Judge: That will be all Miss Lane, thank you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hey!!! my little Tangent-posting
actually generated my one and only
moment of fan fiction hood!
sorry if I bored you all with my little
scene! it just sorta' spilled outta me!

(which in Maggie-Logic is why I think
all the things we discuss on this list
are related to fan fic, even when they aren't)

Super Days & Dean Dreams,

Maggie

maggie13@bellsouth.net  (aka supermags on IRC)
We read books to find out who we are.
What other people, real or imaginary, do
and think and feel is an essential guide
to our understanding of what we ourselves
are and may become.  Ursula K. LeGuin

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> From: Dennis A Arendt <d.arendt@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Drool-fests
> Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 4:58 PM
>
> Maggie please post your drool-fests to the list.  Nice to know I'm not
the only one drooling!!!!!
>
>         Brenda
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>Hello Brenda, Laurie, folcy buddies :o)

Hi, Maggie! :)

<snip wonderully funny and lively narrative brought to us by Maggie>

<snip hilarious scene of Lois being interviewed by attorneys for jury duty>

>Hey!!! my little Tangent-posting
>actually generated my one and only
>moment of fan fiction hood!

And what a great moment it was!  How much would it cost me to get you to
write fic on a regular basis? ;)

>sorry if I bored you all with my little
>scene! it just sorta' spilled outta me!

You never bore me, Maggie!  Feel free to "spill out" any time you like! :)

<little snip>

>Super Days & Dean Dreams,

Count on it! ;)

Okay, I know I didn't really contribute anything significant with this
post, but I just couldn't resist.  I love Maggie's tangents! :)

TTFN,
Karen :)

PS -- I'd like to take this opportunity to also thank Kathy for posting the
address of the list's archives.  Thanks, Kathy! :)  I appreciate it! :)
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How do you do that?

Sambrea
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Maggie's little scene of Lois and jury duty is hilarious!  I can see it now.
And can't you just see Superman getting more and more exasperated with her,
but unable to even say, "Lo-is"?

Ann
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>>Hey!!! my little Tangent-posting
actually generated my one and only
moment of fan fiction hood!
sorry if I bored you all with my little
scene! it just sorta' spilled outta me!<<

Bored??!!  Maggie, you've got to be kidding.  I was really getting into it
when you finished.  Why don't you add some narrative to it (so we can see
some reactions rather than just dialog) as well as a beginning and
conclusion and let us enjoy an entire vignette?  I can imagine Lois
complaining to the entire newsroom of being selected for jury duty--or
alternately, looking forward to the chance to make sure justice doesn't
miscarry.  Then the selection process, with, as Ann mentioned, Superman
reacting to her babbling.  Then maybe a conclusion where we learn that her
entire performance was deliberate since she didn't have three or four days
to "waste" on jury duty and decided that was a better way to get out of it
than her last attempt (I don't have time for this nonsense :).

*Nice* example of 1st season Lois-babble, Maggie!

Sheila
(who is still blushing over the 'fanfic goddess' appellation)
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Hi everyone,

Normally I wait until Alyssa posts that the S6 episode is up on the S6
website before posting the story to the Fanfic list, but my ISP has been
acting squirrly lately and I figure I better post this while I have a
window of opportunity. I would hate to wait until tonight then have my mail
server go down again!

However, I would encourage everyone to visit the S6 website--either before
or after you have read this episode--to look at the pictures that will be
associated with this episode.  There are some nice ones in there, if I do
say so myself. :)

And so, I bring you ... The Hand Of Fate!!

Kathy

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[A note before we begin: you'll find bits of medieval English
scattered throughout this story. There's a brief glossary at the
end to help you understand some of the more obscure words.]

The Hand of Fate
by Phil Atcliffe <Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK>

Season 6, Episode 6

Original Air Date: March 14, 1999

A man, asleep in a bed. A commonplace enough sight, but a keen-eyed
observer might notice certain odd things about the scene -- at
least, from the point of view of someone from the late 20th
century.

For a start, although the decor looked ultra-modern -- almost *too*
modern; there was more than a touch of the bridge of the
"Enterprise" about the various bits of furniture and wall panels
around the room -- the bed was quite old-fashioned, as were the
items of clothing scattered about. The bed could date from almost
any era -- four-posters have been made more-or-less continuously
for centuries -- but the clothing was most definitely in the
fashion of the early years of the 20th century.

The other odd thing was the yellow glow which appeared in the
centre of the room. It grew from a point to become a sphere, then
stretched to become a long, tall football shape, and finally
expanded to become a human figure. The glow died and the figure
spoke. The voice, somewhat muffled by the helmet, was deep and
sonorous, the kind of voice that one didn't just hear, but *felt*
in one's bones. "Herbert George Wells...."

The man in the bed stirred and sat up. He groped for a pair of
old-fashioned glasses and touched a bedside control panel before
calling out, "Who's there?"

"Herbert George Wells, You Are Needed."

The lights in the room began to come on, revealing a well-built
woman in a tight-fitting outfit reminiscent of Superman's. It
featured a blue shirt and tights, but the boots, cape and "briefs"
-- which were more like a girdle, extending a third of the way up
the torso and rising to a point just below the breasts -- were all
golden, as were the gauntlets and a helmet that covered the
complete face of the wearer, revealing only her eyes. There was no
chest emblem; instead, a short chain around the woman's neck
supported a large gold amulet.

"Who are you?" snapped Wells. "How did you get in here? What do you
want?"

"I Am Doctor Fate. I Require Your Help To Preserve The Society In
Which You Live. You Must Rectify An Error Which Imperils The Future
Of Your 'Utopia'."

"I beg your pardon?" replied Wells, fighting to wake up fully. "An
error? What sort of error? And how does it endanger this world?"

"You Enlisted The Aid Of Clark Kent And Lois Lane To Remove A Curse
>From Their Souls."

"Why, yes... yes, I did. And we succeeded," said Wells in some
amazement. Fewer than a half-a-dozen people knew about that, and
this intruder was none of those.

"You Stopped The Curse From Being Cast. That Was Well Done, For
That Curse Could Have Prevented Your World From Existing. But The
Cost Of Your Success Was Allowing Baron Tempos To Exile Sir Charles
And Marry The Lady Loisette. Tempos' Triumph Was An Imbalance In
The Eternal Struggle Between Good And Evil, Order And Chaos."

"But... but, we corrected that! I took Mr and Mrs Kent to a later
era, where they were able to right that balance by defeating Tempus
Tex as the Lone Rider and Miss Lulu."

"Yes, But Between Those Eras Lie Centuries In Which Evil Has An
Undeserved Advantage. Know You, Herbert George Wells, That Your
World Faces A Dire Threat, And It Is From That Interval That This
Threat Will Arise. Unless You Act, This Utopia In Which You Dwell
Will End In Fire And Chaos, And No Civilisation Will Arise To
Replace It."

"Unless *I* act? But how? What *is* this threat, and what must I do
to thwart it?"

"You Need Only Know That The Threat Arises From the Legacy Of Baron
Tempos, And From A Further Curse Cast By His Sorcerer At The
Baron's Orders. You Must Return To That Time And Prevent The Baron
>From Marrying Lady Loisette. She Must Marry Sir Charles, Of Her Own
Free Will. You Must Also Confront The Sorcerer."

"But... but if Sir Charles breaks his exile to marry the Lady, the
original curse will be cast, Mrs Kent will die on her wedding
night, and this era will not exist in any case! This is
impossible!" He glared at the gold-and-blue figure. "Who *are* you?
I don't believe in this threat of yours -- *I* think that you're
another of Tempus' plots to bring down this 'boring' civilisation
which he hates so much. Well, I'm not going to help you!"

The eye-slits of the helmet began to glow, a blazing red. Wells
froze. He wanted to move, to get away from the piercing gaze of
those scarlet fires, but he was paralysed. But then, he stopped
*wanting* to move, as images flooded into his mind.

Later, Wells could not remember any more than a minute fraction of
what he had seen in those few moments, but it did not trouble him;
even though most of what he saw faded quickly, he knew, deep in the
depths of his soul, that the being whom he faced was not a tool of
Tempus. This was a good woman-- no, a man *and* a woman, merged in
the one, currently female, form; mortals, but raised to
near-godhood, charged with an awesome responsibility to act as an
agent of one of the sides in the unremitting battle to which
she/he/they had referred earlier, ranging across time and space to
meet and combat the dark forces whom they faced.

Finally, the red glow died and Wells could move again. But now, he
had no need to do so. Instead, he nodded to his companion. "Thank
you," he said humbly. "I hope you will forgive my doubting you."

"There Is No Need For Forgiveness. The Eternal Battle Requires
Wisdom As Well As Strength, And To Know One's Friends -- And Foes
-- Is One Of The Beginnings Of Wisdom.

"You Need Not Concern Yourself With The Kents. Their Marriage Has
Been Consummated, Uncursed, And This Will Not -- *Cannot* --
Change. Their Marriage And Physical Union Is A Nexus Event; All
Possible Timelines Now Encompass It. Your World *Will* Come To
Pass. What Is Of Concern Now Is Its Continued Survival."

"Very well," said Wells. "But how am I to do this? I am merely a
scholar and inventor, not a fighting man. And how do I deal with
the sorcerer?"

"You Will Need Allies. Take Your Time Machine Rather Than The
Soul-Tracer, And Enlist The Aid of Clark Kent And Lois Lane. Their
Intelligence And Wisdom, And The Power Of Superman, Will Serve To
Deal With The Baron. As For The Sorcerer, All You Need Do Is
Confront Him; I Will Be Watching, And When You Are With Him, I Will
Come."

"Why do you need me? Can't you just confront him by yourself?"

"No. The Sorcerer Has Made A Bargain With The Forces Of Chaos For
His Power. Part Of The Terms Of The Bargain Prevents Me From
Attacking Him Directly. However, I May Employ Agents As They Have
Done, And May Act Through Them. If You Are Within 3 Metres Of Him,
I Will Be Able To Penetrate His Defences, And Will Come."

"I see. Well, I suppose I should get started. Is there any sort of
urgency to this -- I mean, do I need to leave immediately, or is
there time for me to make a proper toilet?"

"You May Prepare Yourself As You See Fit. You Should Know, However,
That The Longer You Delay, The More Difficult It Will Be For You To
Succeed."

"In that case, I'll dress and be on my way."

"Good." Fate began to glow, and then gradually vanished, "her"
final words hanging in the air even as they faded to silence.
"Remember, Herbert George Wells, Fate Is Watching...."

                    *         *         *

It was a lovely sunny morning in Metropolis. It was cold, but not
unpleasantly so; in fact, the temperature was just low enough to be
stimulating, and the sunshine encouraged people to get out and
about. It was a good day to bustle about and enjoy the exhilarating
contrast between the cold and the glow of warmth that came from
physical exertion.

'Unless, of course,' Lois thought to herself, 'you come from
Krypton, in which case you don't even *notice* the cold.' She was
watching her husband, wearing nothing but a black tank top and a
pair of old gym shorts, clean up after a late breakfast. It was
their day off, and Martha and Ellen had just left with Laura for a
few hours of grandmotherly... well, they had appeared at the front
door, scooped up Laura and bustled out of the house so quickly that
Lois wasn't quite sure *what* they had in mind, but she wasn't too
concerned, even if her mother's protestations that she wasn't to
worry about a *thing* had had precisely the opposite effect.
Martha's chuckles hadn't helped, either....

As for herself, she was planning to enjoy this unexpected time
alone with Clark by taking a leisurely stroll through Centennial
Park... to begin with. The thought of some peace and quiet together
was wonderful, even if the outside temperature meant that she was
bundled up in a couple of layers of the warmest clothes that she
had. She might have resented Clark's freedom from the need to do
likewise, but hugging him was her favourite way to warm up, and
thick clothes would have just got in the way. 'Besides,' she
thought, grinning inwardly, 'it means I get to see him dressed like
*that* in any weather... Yum!'

Clark finished the washing-up and zipped into the bedroom, emerging
scant seconds later dressed in jeans and a t-shirt with a flannel
shirt over it. He went over to the coat rack and picked up his and
Lois' parkas. He handed Lois hers and was looking around for his
glasses when the doorbell rang.

As Lois went to the door, pulling on her parka as she went, Clark
looked through it to see if he needed to go to super-speed to find
his glasses *immediately*. He didn't, but the sight of their
visitor was not exactly reassuring. "Oh, boy...." he muttered.

Lois, lacking x-ray vision, was equally surprised when she opened
the door to find Wells waiting outside. "Mr Wells?" she cried.

"Good morning, Mrs Kent," replied Wells in his usual deferential
manner. "May I come in?"

"Um... yes. Please do...." Lois looked at Clark, who looked back.
They both had the feeling that their relaxing morning was shot, but
had no idea why. "We haven't seen you since the baby was born...."
Lois said, somewhat weakly.

Wells brightened. "I was there? Oh my, yes, what a good idea. I
must make a note to do that. I trust the young lady is well?"

"Yes, Laura's fine," Lois replied, stepping aside to allow him to
enter. Making small-talk about her daughter felt bizarre, but that
wasn't unusual when she encountered Wells. "She's not here, though;
both her grandmothers are looking after her this morning."

"Ah, then you don't have to worry about her; she's in good hands.
I'm sorry to have to forgo the pleasure of meeting her, but I must
admit that I knew that you would be alone today, or I would have
chosen another time to bother you."

Lois felt somewhat reassured by that; she had been concerned that
whatever Wells wanted might have involved their daughter, but it
seemed that he'd deliberately arrived at a time when Laura wasn't
here, and was in "good hands" -- so now all she had to worry about
was he wanted Clark and herself for!

She followed the visitor into the living room, where he greeted
Clark. "Good morning, Mr Kent. I'm terribly sorry to disturb you
like this, but I'm afraid I need your help again."

"I knew you were going to say that!" griped Lois, not at all
pleased to see her scarce free time with Clark about to disappear.
"What is it *this* time? What's Tempus done *now?*" Her voice had
got rougher and rougher as she spoke, until it was almost a snarl.
She seemed to realise this, because she came over to Clark and, in
an attempt to lighten her own mood, quietly remarked, "At least it
can't be about the curse -- or if it is, we're in *big* trouble! I
mean, our marriage has been well and truly consummated, and we've
even got a little girl out of it."

Her voice had acquired a worried tone as she'd gone on, so Clark,
even though he shared the same anxieties, put one arm around her
and grinned down at her as he gave her a gentle hug. "You're
telling me...." he whispered.

Unfortunately, Lois' attempt to talk to Clark sotto voce hadn't
been as sotto as she might have liked, because Wells chimed in,
"I'm afraid, Mrs Kent, that it *is* connected with our endeavours
in the past." Clark and Lois both looked at him in alarm, so he
hurried on, somewhat embarrassed, "Oh, not the curse. I'm pleased
to say that you need not fear any further problems of that kind
with your.... ah, marital relations."

Clark let out a huge sigh, which only outdid Lois' by virtue of his
larger lung capacity. Wells continued, anxious to change the
subject, "No, but it appears that your sacrifice as Sir Charles and
Lady Loisette, while preventing the curse on your souls from being
cast, has had other effects that are... less desirable."

"We knew that," said Lois, "But didn't we fix that as the Lone
Rider and Lulu?"

"Apparently not," murmured Wells apologetically. "It seems that
allowing Baron Tempos to triumph, combined with the six or seven
centuries between the two eras which we visited, has led to a
situation which threatens the future of the period in which I now
make my home."

His voice took on a worried tone, combined with a note of entreaty.
"Mr and Mrs Kent," he asked, "Whenever I have met you previously,
it has been to safeguard my world by preventing interference in
your lives; now, however, there is no threat to you, only to the
future which you will help create, but your aid is nonetheless
vital to preserve that future. Will you help me?"

Lois and Clark looked at one another. Clark quirked an eyebrow;
Lois sighed again and nodded, then turned back to Wells and said,
"Yes, we'll help. What do we have to do? And *when?*"

Wells smiled and reached into his pocket for a handkerchief,
overcome by emotion for a moment. Once he had regained control of
himself, he began, "Thank you. To begin with, we must return to the
time of Sir Charles and Lady Loisette and prevent her marriage to
the Baron."

"Wait a minute," said Clark. "I'm not going to be much help if I'm
in exile. And I don't like Lois being at that thug's mercy by
herself. Or do I have to break my promise and return to England?"
This was looking less and less attractive by the minute.

"Oh, that won't be a problem. Mr Kent. You see, we will not be
using my soul-tracer to make the time journey; we will use my
original time machine, and so both you and Mrs Kent will make the
trip as yourselves, in your present incarnations. There will, so to
speak, be two of each of you there while you are in that era."

"*That* should make things easier," said Lois. "Tempus' goons won't
have a chance against Superman! So what do we have to do?"

"Well, our main mission is, I'm told, to ensure that the Baron does
not marry Lady Loisette, so that she can marry Sir Charles. But it
must be by her own free will, so I would assume that we must
somehow release her from the promise that she made to Tempos. In
addition, we must, at some point in our endeavours, get within 3
metres of the Baron's sorcerer; this is to ensure that he does not
cast *any* curses, on anyone."

Lois' eyes narrowed. "Wait a minute!" she cried, suddenly wary.
"'I'm told'? 'I assume'? This is starting to sound like you don't
*know!* What's going on here? Who's doing the telling? And what's
their stake in this?"

Wells bowed his head towards Lois. "Very astute, Mrs Kent. You are
quite correct; I am indeed acting at the behest of another. Like
yourselves, I was contacted by someone and asked to undertake this
mission. I know very little about this person, but I can assure you
that she is not only trustworthy, but a valuable ally. Indeed, it
is she who will deal with the sorcerer if we are able to get close
enough to him."

"I dunno..." said Lois, not convinced. "I don't like being in the
dark like this. Who is this woman? How's about a name and a few
details?"

"As you wish, although I doubt that what little I know will
enlighten you to any greater extent than it did me." Wells related
the story of his visitor to the Kents, finishing with, "I know that
you have no reason to believe me. I can only say that I was as
sceptical as you are now, but I have been completely convinced of
the truth and probity of this woman -- *and* man. I cannot convince
you as I was; I can only ask you to trust me as I trust her -- or,
rather, them."

Lois and Clark looked at one another. The expression on her face
asked an obvious question, to which Clark replied quietly, "I think
we have to, Lois. If this 'Doctor Fate' is up to no good, then
we're only going to find out by going along with her plans -- and
if we don't do what she asks, and she *is* a good guy, then a lot
of people could suffer for it."

"Yeah, you're right," said Lois downheartedly, "But I hate this
kind of uncertainty -- not knowing who's right and who's wrong,
groping around in the dark...."

Clark smiled at her reassuringly. That was a very un-Lois-like
sentiment, and he guessed it came from her disappointment at having
their day off interrupted. Forcing himself to ignore the more
pleasant memories that were invoked by the word 'groping', he tried
to encourage her. "Think of it as like an assignment -- is this
mysterious doctor all she seems? What's so important about this
sorcerer? Sounds to me like a job for Lane and Kent, investigative
reporters...."

Lois had to return his smile at that. And he was right; this was
the kind of puzzle that was right up their alley. She hugged him,
soaking up happiness just from being close to him. They were such
a great team together; sorcerers and mysterious doctors had better
watch out!

"Okay," she said, letting him go and going over to the couch to put
on her boots. "Let's get going."

They finished getting dressed and Wells led them outside and into
a nearby alley, where they found the time machine. "You're lucky
nobody noticed this -- it's almost too much like something out of
the George Pal movie of your book to be real," commented Lois.

"Oh, no, Mrs Kent," replied Wells. "That couldn't happen. You see,
it wasn't here until a few seconds ago." At her questioning look,
he continued, "With the help of some people from my adopted era, I
have equipped the machine with a device that allows me to park it
just out of phase with the time-stream. That way, no-one can reach
it, and I can summon it whenever I wish. It's a great help when I
travel to... less civilised eras."

"Handy...." murmured Lois.

"As for Mr Pal... I understand that he based the design of Mr
Taylor's time machine on a little sketch that I made for him  -- on
a paper napkin, as I recall...." Ignoring the surprised reactions
of the others, Wells began to work the controls. "Are we ready?
Very well, our destination is northern France, a fortnight after
the fight between Sir Charles and the Baron...."

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The time machine appeared in a clearing in a forest. The sun was
high in the sky, and Lois was suddenly bathed in sweat, her warm
clothes much too heavy for what felt like summer weather. Clark, of
course, was completely unaffected.

She climbed down from the machine and told Clark that she was going
to take a couple of layers off. He nodded, having quickly scanned
the surrounding forest and found nothing nearby that was bigger
than a squirrel, although there was a group of men about two miles
away, coming towards them slowly along a path that led to the
clearing.

Lois was back soon, looking much more comfortable in just her jeans
and a loose blouse. She dumped the rest of her clothes onto the
time machine, except for her parka which she slung over one
shoulder. She came over to Clark and took his glasses off. "You
won't be needing *these*," she said, putting them into the pocket
of one of her shirts.

Wells took a small device out of one of his own pockets and did
something to it. The time machine disappeared with its familiar
whine. He put the device back into his pocket and turned to his
companions. "Good," he said, "That's organised. Now, I need to tell
you a few things before the others join us...."

"Others? What others?"

"Ah, well, I took the precaution of doing a little preliminary
reconnaissance before I came to see you, Mrs Kent. As Mr Kent is no
doubt aware, a group of men is headed this way and will be here in
a few minutes." He looked at Clark, who nodded in confirmation.
"They are Sir Charles and some of his band, the 'Fox's Men'. In the
two weeks that have elapsed since Lady Loisette promised to marry
the Baron and Sir Charles accepted exile, they have left England
and wandered through France. I believe that they may be heading for
the town a few miles to the south, possibly to take up service with
the local lord, but more likely to join the next group of Crusaders
sailing for the Holy Land. Obviously, we want to prevent that, and
I thought that this would be a good place to meet them and enlist
their help, in case we need it. Then, after we have spoken to Sir
Charles, we can go and rescue Lady Loisette and capture Tempos."

"Sounds like you've got it all worked out," said Lois. "But are you
sure that she isn't married already? I mean, two whole weeks?
Tempos could have got his tame bishop to marry them days ago -- she
could be *pregnant* by now!" She grimaced at that revolting
prospect (the Baron, not pregnancy -- after all, she now knew what
*that* was like).

"Yes, that would be unfortunate. However, I checked, and it seems
that the Baron has decided that his wedding should not be a rushed
affair, but, rather, one more suited to his rank. Or perhaps his
'tame bishop', as you put it, was not as tame as he might have
liked. In any case, the ceremony will not take place for at least
another three weeks."

Lois exhaled in relief. Clark, who had been listening thoughtfully,
took up the conversation. "Have you thought about how we're going
to explain me? I mean, I don't want people to be worshipping me as
an angel, or scared because I'm a demon or a witch. They can't hurt
me, but we don't want them attacking you or Lois in panic."

"True, true... I have given that a certain amount of thought, but
to no real conclusion, I regret to say. The best that I can come up
with is to tell them what is more or less the truth -- *not* that
you're from another planet; I'm afraid that that would be beyond
their understanding -- but to say that you are a visitor from
another land who has been granted certain powers in order to fight
evil. It would help, I think, if you only used your powers as
Superman. The name won't mean anything to them, but your costume
could be represented as a foreign type of surcoat, and the idea of
a knight invested with magical abilities for a quest is something
that forms part of the cultural background of these people."

"Okay," said Clark thoughtfully, "But I won't change my clothes
until after we talk to them for a while. No sense in overwhelming
them with everything at once."

The three sat down to wait in the shade of the forest. Lois leaned
up against Clark, who happily wrapped his arms around her. They
chatted inconsequentially for a while, until a group of ten men
emerged from the trees opposite. Four of them were mounted, and the
others were on foot. All looked travel-stained and weary, and two
of them -- one in particular -- had familiar faces.

The newcomers halted in surprise when they saw the time travellers.
Motioning to Lois and Clark to stay where they were, Wells got up
and walked towards the small band. One or two of the men laid their
hands on the hilts of their swords or unslung their longbows, but
they relaxed when Wells, obviously unarmed and, to their eyes,
harmless, approached them and called out cheerily, "Good afternoon,
gentlemen! And to you, Sir Charles!"

"Good morrow to you, friend," came the slightly weary voice of one
of the riders. Sir Charles, for it was he, dismounted and walked
stiffly over to Wells. As he approached, he frowned, obviously
trying to work out why Wells seemed familiar. "We had not expected
to meet anyone on this road, much less one who knows us. And, in
truth, I feel *I* know *you*...." He paused for a moment, then said
thoughtfully, "Sir... Clark, of Kent, is it not?" His voice became
tight, almost harsh. "We met on that accursed day when I was
banished from England, and my lady...." Charles stopped, not
wanting to say anything further.

"Yes, yes, a most regrettable business," replied Wells. "And... I'm
afraid there was a slight misunderstanding there. The Baron was
rather impatient when we met, you might remember, so it seemed to
be a good idea at the time for him to think that was my name,
rather than have to make complicated explanations. My name is
actually Herbert Wells."

"Wells? Are you then from the West Country, rather than Kent? Your
voice has not the sound of it, nor your clothes the look -- though,
truth to tell, I have yet to see another garbed in the manner of
you and your companions."

"Well, no, you wouldn't have. You see, I have, for some years, been
living in a far distant land -- *very* far distant -- and my
clothes come from there. But that's not important. What *is*
important is why I'm here, and that's what I want to talk to you
about"

Sir Charles looked at him somewhat suspiciously. "Say on, then. It
is in my mind that this meeting cannot be by chance."

"You're quite right; I was waiting for you. Oh, but you needn't
think that I'm some minion of Baron Tempos, sent to check up on
you, or even kill you." Sir Charles' face showed quite clearly that
he *had* been considering the possibility. "Quite the opposite, in
fact. I and my companions are here to help you and Lady Loisette
against the Baron."

"There is no help for us," said Charles grimly. "I have chosen
exile over death, and she... she will be his bride, if she is not
already." His face reflected the pain that the thought brought.

"Ah, but things are not as hopeless as you might think. You see,
the sacrifice that you and Lady Loisette made for each other was
truly noble, but I'm afraid that Baron Tempos really can't be
allowed to get away with that sort of thing, so I went for help.
Some very *special* help. Come and meet some friends of mine."

They walked across the clearing, leaving Charles' men to relax
where they were. As they neared Lois and Clark, the couple stood
up. Lois came out into the sunlight to greet them; Clark hung back.
At his first sight of the woman, Sir Charles stopped in his tracks,
stunned. Then he raced to Lois, grasping her by the shoulders in
incredulous, joyful amazement. "My lady?" he cried. "What miracle
is this? How came you here?!"

He would have embraced her, kissed her, but he was halted by the
sound of a stern voice from behind the woman -- a voice that was
all too familiar to the knight. "No miracle, Sir Charles," it said,
"And I'm afraid that that *isn't* Lady Loisette -- not quite....
Let me introduce you; her name is Lois, and she's *my* wife."

The man in the strange clothes stepped forward, out of the shadows
of the trees, and Sir Charles recoiled in horror. It was *him!*
This man was his exact double, even as the woman had the face and
form of his lost love.

He stepped back a few paces, rather unsteadily, and his sword came
out. He raised it and swung it back and forth from one person to
another, his hands shaking. "What deviltry is this?" he spat. "What
black magic have you employed to torture me thus?"

"No, no, no...." said Wells from behind him. Sir Charles, who had
momentarily forgotten the other man, immediately dashed to one
side, away from all three time travellers, then turned to face
them, holding them at bay with his sword as before.

The Fox's Men had heard their leader's cry and were quick to
respond when they saw him with sword in hand. They reached for
their weapons, and Sir Charles was soon reinforced; Lois, Clark and
Wells found themselves surrounded by men, each with either a drawn
sword or with a longbow, an arrow nocked and ready.

Clark groaned to himself. This was getting *way* out of control,
and fast. He wasn't particularly worried by the weapons -- swords
and arrows were no problem to him, and he was sure that he could
protect Lois and Wells -- but they were trying to *help* these
people, and getting into a fight was *not* going to be the way to
gain their trust.

"Sir Charles, *please!*" cried Wells, sounding a little desperate.
"These are the friends that I mentioned. There's no black magic,
and no-one has any wish to torture you. Please, let me explain...."

Sir Charles, the situation now under control -- or so he thought --
managed to regain enough control of himself to consider Wells'
words. He was still angry, but was reasonable with it. "Very well,"
he said harshly, "Speak! But let your words be the truth, for I
tell you plain that I see deceit and treachery in this meeting."

"Thank you," said Wells. "Firstly, let me apologise for the shock
which you suffered. I had intended to warn you that you were about
to meet people who greatly resemble yourself and Lady Loisette, but
you caught sight of the lady before I was able to do so.

"Now, let me present you to these people." He gestured to Clark.
"This is Lord Kal, a nobleman of the house of El of Krypton, and
*this*...." He bowed slightly in Lois' direction. "...is the Lady
Lois, his wife, formerly of the house of Lane of Metropolis."

Lois rolled her eyes at her "title", and Clark grinned. Wells
looked rather pleased with himself for that bit of invention, and
went on, "They are quite prominent citizens of the land from which
we come, and when they heard of your unfortunate plight, not to
mention the remarkable resemblance between themselves and you and
Lady Loisette, they volunteered to come and try to help you and
thwart Baron Tempos."

Sir Charles seemed somewhat mollified by Wells' words, but also
depressed. "I thank them, and you, sir, if this be so. But what can
two people, noble or base, do to help? It is *done* -- I am exiled
and my lady is to wed the Baron, if she has not already...."

"Ah, well, I can reassure you on that score at least. Lady Loisette
is not married; Tempos has set the date for the ceremony for three
weeks' time -- plenty of time for us to ensure that it does not
take place."

"But how? I am exiled, I tell you, and they are in England, where
I am sworn not to go. Even if I dared return, how can a mere dozen
of us face the Baron's guards, and his accursed sorcerer? My lady
will be close guarded; he will not risk losing her when he is so
close to marrying her -- *and* her lands!"

Sir Charles looked away. "This is madness. Your companions have my
thanks, but they are but two...." His voice trailed away.

"Ordinarily, I'd agree with you. But, you see, I knew about Tempos'
army, *and* his sorcerer; that's why I asked Lord Kal to help. He
is no ordinary man. He has a quest, and a noble one -- to defeat
evil wherever he finds it, and to ensure that truth and justice
prevail. To help him in his quest, he has been granted amazing
powers, powers that make him more than a match for the Baron and
his minions. That's how we managed to come here so quickly, and how
we found you on your travels. If you will let us help you, we can
give you the chance to stop Tempos and save Lady Loisette.

"I see that you don't believe me -- well, why should you?
Fortunately, there's an easy way to prove that I'm telling you the
truth. Just get... say, four of your men to shoot at Lord Kal, one
after the other... and watch."

The next few minutes were spent in heated discussion. Sir Charles
was unconvinced, declaring that he had no wish to murder a
stranger. Even when Clark assured him that he wasn't at all worried
about being shot at, the knight refused, saying that madness was no
protection against an arrow, and he would not widow someone who
looked so like his own love. It wasn't until Lois blithely informed
him that she had no intention of being a widow, and suggested that
he get his men to aim to *miss* if he was so worried -- they could
do that, couldn't they? *Everyone* had heard of the prowess in
archery of the Fox's Men -- that he finally consented to the test,
albeit doubtfully.

While the archers walked back across the clearing, Wells asked
Clark to change into his costume. "Lord Kal always wears the arms
of his house in open battle," he told Sir Charles. Clark quickly
spun into the suit. Lois smiled -- seeing him do that still
thrilled her, even after all this time; Wells was impressed,
despite his "historical" knowledge; and Charles and his men were
frankly stunned.

Superman moved away from the group of watchers and stood
impassively while the archers raised their bows and took aim. They
loosed their shafts almost simultaneously, but there was a small
gap between the first arrow and the last, which was all that
Superman needed. In quick succession -- but not *too* quick; the
people watching needed to see what was happening -- he grabbed the
first arrow out of the air, let the second hit his chest and
shatter, incinerated the third with heat vision and, finally, used
the arrow that he was holding to impale the last one, splitting it
in two. He then threw the first arrow across the clearing; it
whizzed past the startled faces of the archers to embed itself,
right up to the feathers, in a tree.

Dead silence reigned over the clearing. No-one moved, except for
Lois, who bounced up to Superman and kissed him. "Pretty fancy
moves, *Kal*," she whispered in his ear. Clark chuckled at that and
gave her a quick hug.

The by-play between the couple, so simple, everyday and natural,
broke the paralysis that had the watching company in its grip.
Three or four of the men began to back away from the unearthly
figure in red and blue; Friar Harry raised his crucifix, as if to
ward off evil, and Clark was sure he heard a muttered "Great Shades
of Caesar!"; but Sir Charles stood his ground, though his sword was
lowered and his expression dumbfounded.

"You see?" cried Wells. "And he has greater powers yet. But you
needn't be afraid; there's no black magic or witchcraft involved.
Lord Kal was given his abilities by his father, a great scholar of
the land of Krypton, when he undertook what is known as the
Never-Ending Battle -- to leave Krypton to fight for truth and
justice, and to oppose evil, tyranny and corruption wherever it may
be. It is the highest, most noble quest that any Kryptonian can
undertake, and few do, but Lord Kal was raised to help others, and
the Battle is surely the ultimate expression of that wish...."

Clark had caught on to Wells' reasoning; presenting himself in this
quasi-mythical light was probably the best way to get the Fox's
Men, not to mention their leader, to accept him without regarding
him as something supernatural -- or worse, divine. Wells' rhetoric
was a little high-flown for Clark's taste, but the tale he told was
pretty close to the truth, so Clark decided to add his own slant to
the story. He nodded in confirmation of what Wells had said.
"That's right. My father, Jor of El, knew that dark times were
coming to the world beyond Krypton, so he gave me these powers by
his arts while he stayed behind to defend his land and help his
people. If I were to return to Krypton, I'd just be an ordinary
man, like you; but while I'm elsewhere on the earth, I have these
abilities that seem magical to others, but are really just the
result of my father's study of God's handiwork."

Clark realised that his own rhetoric was getting equally
high-flown, but it seemed to be working; Sir Charles had lost the
stupefied expression, Harry had lowered his crucifix, and the
others had stopped backing away. Clark decided to push his
advantage. "Look, let me prove my goodwill. You've seen some of
what I can do, so you know that I'm powerful. Now let me
demonstrate that I'm on your side by helping you, in a way that
no-one else could." He beckoned Lois over, whispering in her ear.
She looked surprised, but nodded.

"This is my wife, who means as much to me as Lady Loisette does to
you," Clark said to Sir Charles. He took Lois' hand and led her
over to his counterpart, saying in his most serious manner, "I
leave her in your care, to protect and guard against my return,
while I go to rescue *your* lady from Baron Tempos. Will you and
your men swear to defend her as you would Lady Loisette?"

The challenge caught Charles off-guard. For a moment, he looked as
though he wasn't quite sure what to do, but the call to his honour
was too great to resist. Eventually, he took Lois' hand from Clark
and led her over to Friar Harry. "As you wish, Lord Kal," he said.
He sounded troubled. "But for how long? Whatever I was in England,
here I am a common man-at-arms, as are we all. We have little money
and no means to keep your lady according to her rank...."

"Oh, don't worry about that," Clark laughed. "With any sort of
luck, I should be back in less than an hour." He took off, rising
slowly, waving to Lois, who returned it with some vigour, than
accelerated and disappeared from view almost instantly. Behind him
were a group of men who looked even more flabbergasted than they
had a few minutes before; his wife, who whispered, "Be careful...."
before turning to watch the others with a slight smile; and Wells,
who sat in the shade of a tree, looking thoughtful.

                    *         *         *

Clark had every intention of being careful. Having shared Sir
Charles' life for a short while, he found that he could remember
certain basic details from that time, like the location of Baron
Tempos' castle and Lady Loisette's lands. The sky was clear over
both England and France, so he stayed at high altitude -- high
enough not to be seen from the ground, although he, of course,
could see everything -- while he looked for Lady Loisette. He had
no luck at any of Loisette's manors, which didn't surprise him in
the least; knowing Tempos, he was certain that the Baron would have
her under guard, and where better than at "his" castle (which was
actually a royal castle, but Tempos used it as his personal
citadel).

Sure enough, he found Lady Loisette in a tower room at the castle.
Half-out of the room, actually, because she was leaning on a
window-ledge, staring into the distance. This looked perfect -- he
could swoop down and grab her so fast that no-one would even see
him -- but, as usual, life wasn't so accommodating; even as he
began to descend at super-speed, she turned her head, obviously
listening to something, and then went inside.

'So much for the easy way,' he thought. As he continued his dive,
he looked through the wall to see her sitting on a bed, an elderly
woman (a maid? Companion? Chaperon? *Guard?*) brushing her hair. He
decided to keep away until he had a better idea of just who the
other woman was; if she was loyal to Loisette, then he could take
her, too, but it would be just like Tempos to set one of his own
people to watch his intended bride, in which case Clark didn't want
her to have any inkling that the lady was about to leave.

His fears turned out to be justified. The woman finished brushing
Loisette's hair, then braided it and put it up. After helping her
"mistress" into a gown, she was dismissed quite curtly by the
younger woman and went out, locking the door behind her.

'*Definitely* one of Tempos' servants,' thought Clark.

A quick check showed that there were no guards outside the chamber
door, and none watching the tower, so Clark felt safe to approach
it. He hovered outside the window. "Lady Loisette...." he called
softly. No response.

He called again. This time she heard him, and her face lit up with
astonished, hopeful recognition at the sound of his voice. She
turned to see Clark step in through the window, and she ran to him,
her arms wide and her eyes filling with tears of joy. "Charles!"
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Clark hated to do it, but he grabbed her shoulders before she could
reach him and held her, gently but firmly, at arm's length. "Lady
Loisette," he began quietly, "I'm really sorry, but I'm not who you
think I am." She looked at him for a long moment, confused and
hurt, her hopes of a few seconds ago suddenly crashing down around
her. The sight of her tearful face, so like Lois', tore at Clark's
heart, and he went on hurriedly, "I know I look like him -- quite
a lot -- but I'm *not* Sir Charles. I'm... er, Lord Kal of Krypton,
and I'm here to take you *to* Sir Charles, if you'll trust me."

"But... but..." she stammered, not really taking in what he was
saying, only that he wasn't her love. "Your face... your voice...
they are Charles', to the life. How can this be? Who *are* you?"

"I've told you my name. I know this is hard for you to accept --
you should have heard Sir Charles' reaction! -- but we can clear
this up really quickly once we're away from here, if you'll just
trust me."

Loisette seemed not to have heard his last few words, seizing
instead on his off-hand comment about Sir Charles. "You have *seen*
him?" she cried. "When? Where? How is he?"

Clark began to worry that Loisette was making too much noise, and
with justification. Footsteps on the stairs heralded the return of
the old woman, accompanied by a pair of men-at-arms. "Shhhh...." he
whispered, "Yes, I've seen him. He's fine -- he's alive, well and
free, and he misses you a lot. That's why I'm here: to get you out
of here, away from Baron Tempos, and to take you to him. But we've
got to get going; that maid of yours is on her way back, and she's
got a couple of guards with her...."

"Oh. Yes, of course -- I am to ride this afternoon, and I go
nowhere without Maud and as many guards as my lord Tempos thinks
enough to 'protect' me...." Her mood, bitter at the thought of
Tempos' "protection", changed to concern. "You must hide! Quickly,
before they come! I will not be gone long, and tonight we can
escape from this place."

She quickly searched the room for a suitable hiding place, decided
that under the bed was the only option, and tried to drag Clark
over to it. He didn't move. He'd hoped to get Loisette away without
anyone noticing, but she was as difficult to deal with when she was
like this as Lois had ever been, and he was resigned to having her
escape discovered almost immediately. He certainly wasn't going to
hide under the bed -- an adventure in medieval England was one
thing; French farce was quite another!

"No, my lady!" he said firmly, reaching out to take her by the
shoulders, holding her again at arm's length. "Believe me, I do
*not* need to hide. What *we* need, though, is to get out of here.
Now, please, come with me, and I'll have you back with Sir Charles
in less than a minute."

She stared up at him, confused, worried and disbelieving, and he
met her eyes, silently willing her to trust him. She seemed to see
something in him which reassured her, and she relaxed. "Very well,
my lord..." she said, much calmer now, "But how shall we leave?"
She looked down at herself. "This is not raiment for climbing, and
the men below will surely see us."

"That's no problem. Just trust me, and don't be frightened...."

At that moment, a knock came on the door. "My lady," came the voice
of Maud, "Your escort awaits."

Quickly, Clark scooped Loisette up. She looked surprised at what
might have been considered undue familiarity on his part, but said
nothing. "Now, don't be frightened, okay?" he reassured her. "In
fact, you might want to close your eyes -- don't open them until I
tell you to, and we'll be with Charles, Harry and the others before
you know it."

The knock came again, and Maud called out, "My lady?" The sound of
a key in the lock was the signal for Clark to lift off and flash
out the window. Behind him, he could hear the startled clamour of
Maud and the guards searching the room for the vanished lady.

                    *         *         *

As requested, Loisette had kept her eyes shut from the time that
Clark had left the room in the castle. She was bewildered by the
whole affair, and had no idea what was going on as Clark flew her
to France, but somehow that didn't matter. In a way that she
couldn't understand, she trusted this man, this incredible stranger
who looked so like her beloved Charles. Being in his arms,
something that almost never happened to an unmarried lady of her
station, in *or* out of a bed-chamber, was not threatening, not
even exciting, but brought only balm to her soul. She had not
really believed that he could do what he said, but any chance of
escape, of doing *something*, was better than helplessly waiting
for Tempos to insist that she complete their "bargain". Now,
however, in the timeless peace in which she lay while he worked
whatever wonders he could, she had begun to hope that she would
indeed be reunited with her love.

Clark didn't disappoint her; he touched down lightly by Sir Charles
and gently set Loisette on her feet. "You okay?" he asked softly.
She opened her eyes and nodded, still not quite back to the world
>from the depths in which she had been floating while they
travelled. "In that case, there's someone here who wants to see
you...."

She turned and saw Charles. She went to go to him, but there was no
need; he was *there*, and she was crushed against him in a
passionate embrace.

Clark looked away, as did everyone else, and searched for Lois. He
found her on the other side of the clearing and walked over to her.
"Hi."

"Hi," she replied. "I came over here, away from Charles, so as not
to frighten Loisette. He's going to tell her all about us, so maybe
we won't have a repeat of what happened when he saw you. How'd it
go?"

"Okay... though she was as hard to persuade as you are, sometimes.
I guess that figures...."

Lois just looked at him with her (in)famous "Oh, yeah?" expression,
lightened the teeniest bit by the hint of a smile around the
corners of her mouth. Her gaze moved downwards towards a certain
spot on his ribs; she was obviously planning to get him for that.
Clark admitted defeat to himself and decided to keep talking, the
better to distract her and keep her mind focused on what they had
to do; there would be time enough for her revenge later.

"I didn't see Tempos, though, so I'm gonna have to go back for him
later. Unfortunately, they'll have discovered that Lady Loisette is
gone by now, so they might be expecting me. That shouldn't be too
much of a problem."

"Hmmm... I'm not so sure, Clark. Remember what you said about that
sorcerer last time? If the bad guys know that Loisette has escaped,
Tempos might decide to get him to lay another curse. I *really*
don't want to have to go home to a life of abstinence...."

"Good point. But don't worry, honey. It only took me a couple of
minutes to get Loisette; grabbing Tempos won't even take *that*
long, because I don't have to worry about being seen."

"I dunno, Clark. Is anything *ever* that simple for us? Somehow, I
have a bad feeling about this... I think you'd better take me with
you."

"*No*, Lois. I don't want you ge--"

"I think I have to agree with Mrs Kent," Wells interrupted. "You
see, I'm afraid that you may need to take *me*, and if you have to
have one 'helper' along, it might be wise to have two --
particularly if one of them is Mrs Kent. She is... ah, famous, for
helping you in sticky situations, you know...."

Lois' eyebrows went up, and she grinned. She still found it hard to
believe that she was honoured in the future as one of the founders
of Wells' Utopia, but it was nice to hear that she got some
recognition for helping Clark.

Clark looked doubtful. "What do you mean, I may have to take you?"

"Ah, well, you remember that we need to 'confront' Tempos' sorcerer
-- which is to say, get within 3 metres of him. What concerns me is
that Doctor Fate didn't say whether any one of us had to get that
close, or *me* in particular. I've been going over our conversation
in my mind while you were gone, and I can't decide. 'If You Are
Within 3 Metres Of Him,' she said. But which *you*? Singular or
plural?" Wells shook his head. "I just don't know...."

"...and we can't afford to take chances," Clark finished for him.
He didn't like this at all, but he could see that he had no choice.
Wells was right; if this 'Doctor Fate' was going to be of any help
-- and they weren't even sure if she was one of the good guys or
not! -- then the possibility that Wells was the one who had to
confront the sorcerer had to be allowed for. Given that extra
complication, Clark knew from previous experience that Lois was not
going to add to their problems, and might well save everyone's
bacon, as she had many times before.

The decision made, it was time to get going. Clark scooped up Lois
and motioned for Wells to grab hold. "Hop on, Mr Wells."

"Uh... very well," said Wells hesitantly. He came over behind
Superman and spent a few embarrassing moments (for him, not for
Clark) trying to find a secure way to get a grip on Superman. He
wasn't having a lot of success and began to turn a red bright
enough to match the hero's cape.

Finally, Superman set Lois down and put one arm around each of his
companions' waists. "Sorry...." he murmured in Lois' ear. Lois
kissed him; she could put up with being carried by Clark one-handed
-- after all, *her* arms were free....

The three lifted into the air slowly, allowing Wells time to get
used to the sensation, then shot into the sky. Lois wrapped her
arms around Clark and kissed him again. He smiled, but had to
concentrate on flying.

                    *         *         *

They touched down by a clump of trees a short distance outside the
castle walls, and Clark spun back into his ordinary clothes. To
Lois' surprised look, he replied, "You and Mr Wells did a good job;
you've got *me* nervous now. So, like Mr Wells, I thought a little
reconnaissance was in order -- x-ray reconnaissance." He frowned
and began to sweep the castle with his super-vision. "Hmmm...
everything looks quiet. Almost *too* quiet -- they must have
discovered that Lady Loisette's gone, but you wouldn't know it from
watching them.

"There's the Baron, but he's calmly eating in the main hall.
Doesn't look like anyone's told *him* that Loisette's gone...."

"Maybe they haven't," Lois said. "It's only been... what, less than
ten minutes since you got here the first time? If she tried to
escape by herself, without super-help, she couldn't have gone far.
This Maud woman and the guards are probably running around,
desperately searching for her, not wanting to have to tell the
Baron that she's gone. He won't be pleased when he finds out...."

"I think you're right, Lois. There they are...." He paused for a
few moments, then went on, "Yeah, they look panic-stricken to me.
She's checking the kitchens, the garderobes -- that's the toilets
-- everywhere inside; one guy's headed for the stables, and the
other looks to be doing the rounds of the walls and
fortifications."

Clark continued to scan the castle, but didn't say anything
further. Lois also fell silent and looked thoughtful. A little
later, she was about to say something when Clark spoke again:
"Where the heck is that sorcerer? Oh-oh... I think Maud is going to
tell the Baron that Loisette's gone. Boy, does she look
unhappy...."

"Quick!" said Lois, "Fly me up to Loisette's room. I'll impersonate
her, and that'll keep them all off-guard while you take care of the
sorcerer."

Clark cast a startled glance at Lois, and then at Wells, who
nodded. "An excellent idea, my dear," said the time traveller. "But
you must hurry; Mrs Kent will need time to change, and Tempos will
no doubt go charging up to her room once he learns that Lady
Loisette is missing."

Clark had his doubts about this whole idea, but he seemed to be
outvoted and didn't have a better plan -- and, as Wells said, there
wasn't time to come up with anything else. So he scooped Lois up
and they hurtled into the air, flashing into the now-deserted tower
room a fraction of a second later.

Clark set Lois down and went to watch at the door, which had been
locked again, while she began to rummage through the chests,
looking for something in the way of a gown that she could quickly
slip over her 20th-century clothes. She didn't want to have to run
around in medieval garb if there was going to be any sort of
action, and she just couldn't shake a feeling that there *would* be
before this whole business was over.

Just as she found a gown with the right sort of sleeves and
neckline to hide her blouse (it was, uncannily enough, an
attractive shade of burgundy), an angry roar could be heard from
the main hall. "She told him...." muttered Clark.

"Never mind that," said Lois. "Quick, help me get this thing on
before he gets here."

No sooner said than done. There was a rush of wind, and Lois found
herself wearing the burgundy gown. 'Someday I'm going to have to
ask him how he does that without me noticing,' she thought to
herself.

Clark stepped back to look at her. "Yeah, nice," he said. He looked
through the walls again to see, as expected, the Baron, in a
towering rage, charging across the courtyard towards the tower,
dragging the wretched Maud with him. "He's on his way. I gotta
go... Be careful, huh? Remember, if you need me--"

"'Just scream' -- I know, I know. I *will.* Now kiss me and get
going."

The couple kissed, quickly but passionately, and Clark, after
taking one last x-ray look around, disappeared out the window,
leaving his wife with a gentle smile on her face.

It didn't last long, because heavy footsteps, an angry roaring and
near-hysterical weeping coming from the stairs announced the
arrival of Baron Tempos and the unhappy Maud. Further footsteps and
a metallic clinking indicated that they weren't alone, but merely
the head of a mini-procession that included several guards.

The door crashed open to reveal a furious Tempos. Lois swallowed
and turned what she hoped was an impassive face to the newcomers.
She had to fight to retain that impassivity when the Baron saw her;
already angry to the point of apoplexy, he went positively
ballistic at the calm presence, right where she was supposed to be,
of the woman whom he'd been told had absconded, and Lois wasn't
sure whether she wanted to cringe or laugh at him. A second's
thought brought her down firmly on the side of laughter -- no way
was she going to let him scare her!

She didn't laugh, though, and any desire that she may have had to
do so vanished almost immediately as Tempos lashed out viciously at
Maud, knocking the poor woman to the floor, where she lay unmoving.
Lois couldn't tell whether this was because she was unconscious,
dead or just playing possum in order to escape a further beating.

Lois was infuriated by this senseless brutality, and her gut
reaction was to clobber Tempos with a few martial arts moves, to
teach him some respect for women -- Clark had told her that Maud
was one of Tempos' minions, but that didn't mean that he should be
allowed to assault the woman with impunity -- but she looked down
at herself and realised that not only was she not dressed for it,
but any attempt to attack the Baron would simply lead to her being
dragged off him by his guards. So she fought down her violent
inclinations, letting her anger express itself as outraged
haughtiness as she played her role, protesting, "My lord! What is
the meaning of this? Why do you strike poor Maud so?"

Almost against her will, her tone became sarcastic. "She's not much
use as a maid, but that's not why you employ her, is it? So why hit
her?"

Lois began to worry as Tempos stood there, breathing heavily but
saying nothing. She was afraid that what she had said smacked
rather too much of a combination of Lady Bracknell and her
20th-century self, and that Tempos would detect her imposture.

Her worries seemed to be unfounded. "This... this *kitchen drudge*
had the effrontery to come crawling into my hall, claiming that you
had vanished," the Baron snarled. He kicked out at Maud, but the
hapless woman had recovered enough to move herself out of range.
She cowered by the wall in fright and misery until Tempos called to
one of his men to "Get rid of her!" -- whereupon, the erstwhile
maid was dragged away, presumably to take up her new position in
the castle hierarchy.

Silence reigned in the room until Tempos, who had been staring at
Lois, barked, "As for you, my lady, you can forget about riding
today. You'll stay here until I summon you. And while you're
waiting, you can do your hair properly! I don't know what you've
been doing while that fool of a woman was indulging her madness,
but you look like it got caught in a hedge!" With that, he turned
and went to leave, his guards scurrying to get out of his way.

Lois, still concerned that she might have given herself away, was
relieved that she wasn't expected to go riding. She wasn't much of
a horsewoman, but Lady Loisette probably was. It suited her just
fine to stay here in the castle; Tempos might think that he had her
under lock and key, but little did he know that Lady Loisette was
long gone, and Lois would be here just as long as she and Clark
wanted her to be, and no more.

She kept quiet while Tempos raged, but his crack about her hair
angered her. She was going to complain, then thought better of it,
then decided that a show of spirit would be in character after all,
so she called out to the departing Baron, "And, how, pray, am I to
arrange my hair to my lord's satisfaction without Maud? She may
have been your spy, but at least she could help me dress!"

Tempos turned back at that and laughed, enjoying her ire. "All
right, all right," he growled in reply, "I'll send you someone." He
sounded annoyed -- but then, he usually did -- which was fine with
Lois, not only on general principles, but also because if he was
mad, he was less likely to notice any slips that she made, and she
was still worried that she was coming across as herself rather than
as Loisette.

She was right to be concerned. As he stomped away, the Baron was
thinking hard, but was more intrigued than angry. He headed towards
the hall, but halted abruptly halfway there. His sudden stop caused
consternation among the following guards, who, for a few moments,
resembled nothing so much as the Keystone Kops in their desperate
attempts to avoid colliding with their lord; Tempos was not known
for a restrained response to what he might consider an affront to
his lordly dignity by his vassals -- or anyone else.

The guards managed to pull themselves into some sort of order, just
in time; Tempos was also not fond of men who failed to maintain
what he called proper discipline. But when the Baron turned round,
the only evidence of the guards' mad scramble was a slight bend in
their line as they stood to attention. This might have been enough
for their lord to deliver a reprimand, but he was pre-occupied and
didn't notice; as it happened, one of the guards might have
preferred the reprimand, because he turned white when Tempos
pointed at him and barked, "You! Go tell my sorcerer that I want
him! I'll be in the main hall."

The unfortunate man-at-arms could do nothing except salute and step
back to allow his fellows to go past as the Baron strode off. Very
reluctantly, he walked towards a mostly-deserted corner of the
castle; the only person around was a sentry on the battlements, and
he spent most of his time as far as possible from the section of
the wall towards which the guard was headed.

He knocked at a wooden door set into the wall, but tentatively, as
though he'd just as soon whoever was on the other side didn't
notice -- which wasn't far from the truth. There was no response,
and the guard was about to leave in a grateful hurry when a voice
came from the other side of the door: "Who is it? Go away -- I'm
busy!"

"S-s-sir Sorcerer," the guard stammered nervously, "B-Baron Tempos
wants to see you, i-in the main hall...."

There was a noise from behind the door that might have been a
snort. "What does he want? Tell him I'll see him later -- I've got
important things to do right now... haven't I, Morganna?"

"S-sir," insisted the guard, his voice rapidly becoming a
panic-stricken falsetto, "My lord Tempos *commands* your presence,
in the great hall, a-at once!"

That seemed to give the sorcerer pause. After a moment of silence,
the voice replied, "All right, all right. I'll be there shortly. I
have to tidy up here before I can come. Now go away!"

The guard didn't need to be told again. He fled.

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Inside the main hall, the Baron was fuming, and his anger only got
worse as the minutes ticked by with no sign of the sorcerer. He was
just about to bellow for the man-at-arms who'd been told to get the
sorcerer when a flash and a bang in the middle of the room
announced the arrival of the magician at the centre of a cloud of
boiling mist.

Despite having seen it several times, Tempos was impressed with the
manner in which the sorcerer had taken to appearing, these days. He
wasn't going to admit that, though, so he hid any feelings other
than his displeasure at being kept waiting -- again -- and growled,
"Where have you been? When I call you, I expect you to come --
immediately! What took you so long *this* time?"

"I was in the middle of something when that nithing came to tell me
that you wanted to see me. I've told you before, I can't just stop
everything and run to answer your every beck and call. All magicks
are dangerous, and some are *very* dangerous; they can't just be
left to themselves like a cook with a cauldron of soup. In this
case, if I'd run straightaway to answer your summons and not done
what was necessary, the potion I was brewing could have escaped and
eaten this entire castle and everyone in it!"

That possibility seemed to take even Tempos aback, but he retained
enough presence of mind to ask, "What the devil are you going to do
with a potion that can do *that?* I don't like the idea of being
eaten by one of your concoctions!"

"I'm not going to do anything with it," the sorcerer replied
calmly. "That potion is just an intermediate stage in the creation
of a more useful one, one which is much more controllable. No-one
in their right mind would use the corrosive stage for anything
other than creating the real potion -- so don't ask me to make it
for you, not even if the castle's under siege! It would eat any
attackers, yes, but also the castle, the surrounding fields for
several miles in all directions, and every living thing it
touched!"

Tempos didn't miss the insult, nor the warning. Not for the first
time, he wondered if the danger inherent in letting the sorcerer do
whatever he wanted in that pit of his might not outweigh the
advantages of his services, however effective they undoubtedly
were. But, as he had done every other time he had considered the
matter, he put the thought out of his mind -- or was it that
something *else* did that for him? -- and concentrated on the
business of the moment.

"Never mind that," he snapped. "There's something odd going on.
Lady Loisette was supposed to be going riding this afternoon --
heavily guarded, of course -- but instead, her maid comes
grovelling to me, saying that she's escaped from her room. But when
I go up there, there she is -- but *not* dressed for riding, and...
and there's something different about her!"

"Oh, and what's that?" said the sorcerer, who was both rather bored
by this petty complaint and amused that it should come from the
Baron, who was not usually given to flights of fancy. With any
other man, he would have put it down to pre-wedding nerves, but
Tempos was hardly a blushing bridegroom....

"I'm not sure," replied a thoughtful Baron. "Her manner is...
different, somehow. More assertive, quicker to anger, less gentle
in her speech, and she definitely hates me -- even moreso than
usual. It's rather refreshing, actually."

"That's hardly surprising, my lord," murmured the sorcerer. "You
must remember that she only agreed to marry you in order to save
the life of Sir Charles. You can hardly expect devotion in those
circumstances, but you *can* rely on her word; she will go through
with what she promised."

Tempos snorted. "She doesn't have a choice about *that!*" He was
silent for a little while before continuing, "You know, you've
reminded me of something. This isn't the first time my lady has
shown more spirit than usual; she was like this, only not as much,
two weeks ago, when I agreed to banish The Fox rather than kill
him, in return for her sworn fidelity. Now, what does that mean..?"

The Baron had finally got the sorcerer's interest. The little man
became thoughtful as well. "Ah-hh-hh," he exclaimed eventually. "My
lord, I do not know what it means, but what you have just said may
be of great importance."

"Well, of course it's important! *I* said it!"

"Yes, my lord," sighed the sorcerer in not-very-well-hidden
exasperation, "But what I meant is that you have noticed something
'odd', as you put it, about the Lady Loisette, something similar to
another oddity of a fortnight ago. At the same time, *I* have been
feeling the presence of strange magicks as I practice my arts.
These, too, resemble those which I sensed a fortnight ago, and, as
you have said about the lady, there are more and more powerful
forces involved than those I mentioned to you then. I have managed
to hide from their eyes so far, but perhaps the time has come to
act openly against them.

"My lord, with your permission, I would like to see Lady Loisette.
I may be able to detect if she has indeed changed as you suspect,
and whether any changes are connected with the magicks that probe
my secrets. If you would summon her...."

Tempos said nothing, merely signalling to a near-by guard, who
hurried off.

                    *         *         *

Lois had been pacing back and forth in the tower room, not enjoying
the feeling of helplessness at being locked in a *tower*, of all
things, while the bad guys -- *and* the good guys, for that matter
-- did who knew what? She had looked out of the window, hoping to
see Clark or Wells, but to no avail. She'd looked at the door lock
and, while she thought she could pick it, she didn't have anything
to pick it *with* -- oh, what she would have done for her purse
with its bunch of lockpicks! In the end, she had begun walking
about the room out of sheer frustration and restlessness.

The sound of footsteps coming up the tower stairs galvanised her
into action, and she flattened herself against the wall next to the
door. With any luck, this would be the replacement maid coming to
help her do her hair -- in which case, one quick punch, and she'd
be out of here in next to no time.

No such luck. A stentorian male voice called out, "My lady, the
lord Tempos commands your presence in the main hall." Lois wouldn't
have minded trying her luck with a man-at-arms -- she figured that
she ought to be able to take one out, or at least evade him for
long enough to escape from the room, and maybe even lock him in
behind her -- but the noise from the stairwell indicated that her
summoner wasn't alone. 'Gee, these guys are real brave,' she
thought. 'I wonder how many of them he's brought along to escort
one lone female....'

Her escort turned out to be four fully-armed guards. For a moment,
Lois entertained the mad fantasy of grabbing a sword from one of
them and cutting loose with it in the confines of the stairs, but
she dismissed that tempting idea with the thought that she didn't
really know how to use a broadsword, and the long gown would only
get in her way. 'They'll keep....' she thought.

Lois assumed her most imperious manner, once again borrowing
heavily from Dame Edith Evans as Lady Bracknell, and strode out --
as well as she could in that gown. She had to moderate her pace on
the stairs, which weren't designed for her boots, and which gave
the surprised guards a chance to catch up with her. This turned out
to be a blessing in disguise, because she was able to follow the
two who went in front of her; getting lost in the castle, she
realised, could have been a sure sign that she wasn't who they
thought she was.

After leading her through the castle along a short but convoluted
route that Lois did her best to memorise, the guards stopped at a
pair of doors and knocked. Lois heard Tempos bellow, "YES?!", to
which the guards responded by opening the doors and bowing to her
as their leader called out, "Lady Loisette, my lord."

"Ah, at last..." said Tempos, his voice suddenly silky. "Come in,
my lady, come in."

Lois had no real choice in the matter, so she walked into the hall
wearing her best poker face. Inside, however, she was troubled by
the Baron's sudden change in manner. From what she'd seen of him in
their encounters in the 20th century, Tempus was always at his most
villainous when he assumed that smooth demeanour. The Baron mostly
acted like the classic medieval tyrant -- lots of bluster, anger
and contempt for everyone, especially those he deemed to be below
him (which, at the moment, was everyone in the castle except her,
and she was sure that she didn't count because she was female) --
but the plotting, the patience and ability to plan that made his
later incarnation so dangerous was there, too. It was that side
that was showing now, and *that* worried her....

Her fears were justified, although not in a manner that she could
ever have imagined. No sooner had she entered the hall than the
sorcerer chanted something and she found herself transfixed by his
eyes, unable to look away from him. "And now, my lady," he
muttered, "Let us examine your soul...."

For Lois, what happened next was like something from a bizarre
dream. She could feel nothing other than an instinctive revulsion
towards the sight of the sorcerer and his unblinking, staring eyes,
and yet somehow she could also feel him inspecting her from inside.
The thought made her shudder -- except that she couldn't move --
and she tried to focus all her feelings into a blaze of hatred and
disgust to direct at the revolting figure of the magician.

"Well?" said Tempos with his customary irascibility after a few
seconds -- or was it a few years? "Is she or isn't she?"

"I... cannot tell," gasped the sorcerer. "There are too many others
in this hall. Their presence interferes -- get rid of them, sire!"

Tempos didn't hesitate. He swept one arm around the room, beckoning
to guards, servants, everyone. "Get out!" he bellowed. "All of you!
Leave this hall!"

One or two of the guards hesitated, feeling that it wasn't right
for them to abandon their posts, leaving their lord alone with the
sorcerer ("Lady Loisette", of course, didn't count), but one glance
at Tempos' face convinced them that instant obedience was their
first and foremost duty right now, and they left behind the others.

With the hall empty, the examination began again. Lois wanted to
fight back, so she concentrated on her feelings of anger and
outrage at the violation of her innermost self. She couldn't really
tell if her efforts were having any effect on the sorcerer, but he
didn't seem to be enjoying what he was doing, so she kept it up on
principle. Trying to focus her feelings also helped her to not
think about two things -- Clark, and the flaw in the sorcerer's
reasoning that she hoped would enable her to pass this test.

Eventually, the sorcerer's eyes unglazed and he shook his head to
clear it. "Ah..." he half-moaned, obviously in some distress from
his probing of Lois' soul -- and, who knows, maybe he *had* caught
a taste of her fury. But then, before Tempos could explode with
impatience, he managed to say, somewhat weakly, "Yes, my lord...
yes, that is Lady Loisette....."

"Are you sure?!" barked Tempos.

The sorcerer, offended, drew himself up and faced the Baron to say,
"Yes, my lord, I am *sure.* I have looked at the lady's soul, both
now and beforetimes, and I can assure you that that *is* Lady
Loisette. There can be no doubt."

Tempos snorted in annoyance while Lois, released from whatever
force had held her motionless, staggered backwards for a few steps
and fought a major internal battle not to let the relief that she
was feeling show outwardly. She had seized on the loophole that she
had seen in the sorcerer's plan and used it to steady herself while
the man had carried out his horrible intrusion. And it had worked,
because she did have Lady Loisette's soul -- just not her mind or
body.

It took her a few moments to regain her poise, both external and
internal, by which time the Baron had begun to speak again. She
tuned in to his words as best she could.

"...if it's not her, then it must be *him!* Maybe he's not as big
a fool as he'd like everyone to believe; maybe he's out there now,
planning to attack...."

The sorcerer had also recovered from whatever his probe of Lois had
momentarily inflicted him with, because he sounded sardonically
amused as he interrupted Tempos' ranting. "No, sire, I do not think
so. Sir Charles accepted exile, and he is a man of honour. It is
not in his character to go back on his word.

"And besides, even if he did return from France -- remember, I
scried him sailing for Calais ten days ago -- and gathered his
entire band together, what could they do? Is this not a royal
castle, built to withstand warfare and siege? The Fox's Men are
scattered, in hiding or returned to the hovels from which they were
used to steal away secretly to conduct their thefts; they have no
siege engines, nor were their numbers ever sufficient to assault us
openly."

"True, true..." mused Tempos, calming and becoming thoughtful. "But
I still don't like him being out there, free to do his good deeds.
Heroes have the annoying habit of coming back, you know." He paused
for a while, then appeared to make some sort of decision. "I'm not
going to take the risk! I want you to prepare your vilest curse, to
kill him and doom his soul to suffer for all time."

The sorcerer nodded, smiling unpleasantly.

Lois was horrified. If the sorcerer did that, not only would Sir
Charles die, but *Clark* would also be cursed! "No!" she cried
before she could stop herself. Tempos and the sorcerer started at
the sound of her voice -- apparently, they had forgotten that she
was there. Lois wished that she hadn't drawn attention to herself
but, since she had, she had to stay in character and decided to try
to talk the Baron out of this, as she was sure the real Loisette
would do. It might even work if she reminded him of their
agreement. She tried to remember which of the Muses was responsible
for eloquence, because she could do with some help....

"My lord, you mustn't!" she implored. "We had a bargain -- you
spared Charles' life in return for his exile and my hand and
fidelity. Your sorcerer admits that he has kept his part; I will
keep mine as I have promised; will you now go back on your word?
You cannot!"

"Oh, yes, I can," replied Tempos. "I'm the villain, remember? We're
always doing this sort of thing -- it comes with the job!" He
turned to the sorcerer. "Go and get on with it! I want Sir Charles
dead and in eternal torment by... by *yesterday!*"

Lois, almost instinctively, moved to intercept the sorcerer as he
started to leave. If she could get close enough to him, maybe
Doctor Fate would intervene; if not, then perhaps she could do
something -- *anything* -- to stop the suddenly monstrous little
man from carrying out Tempos' orders and dooming Clark and herself
to untold misery in all their incarnations.

Unfortunately, the sorcerer seemed to sense what she was trying to
do, and retreated behind the long table in the centre of the hall.
Lois came to a halt, not wanting to be drawn into chasing him; that
would be completely out of character for Lady Loisette, and for
some reason that she couldn't quite identify, she thought that
maintaining her masquerade could still prove to be important.
Besides, she doubted that she could catch the sorcerer if he
managed to get by her and out of the hall -- long gowns were not
made for running.

The Baron had been watching her and was definitely amused. "Why, my
dear," he almost purred, "I do believe you're planning to do
something awful to my sorcerer. To protect your precious Sir
Charles, no doubt. I didn't think you had it in you. What a shame
I can't let you actually do it..." At that, the sorcerer turned and
glared at him, but he either didn't notice or ignored it
completely. "But," he continued, "good sorcerers are hard to find,
and good *evil* sorcerers even harder. So I'm afraid that you're
going to have to give up your little plans, because I want my
sorcerer alive and healthy, so that he can curse Sir Charles with
the full extent of his powers!

"So, *my lady*...." His voice grew louder, almost to a shout, and
it was filled with menace. "You will leave, *now*, and return to
your room to resign yourself to your fate -- and to the fate that
awaits The Fox!"

'Fate? I'll give *you* Fate, if I can just get close enough to that
sorcerer,' thought Lois. But she couldn't. She only needed to get
another six or so feet closer to the magician to be within the
3-metre radius, but the table and the Baron and the man's own
wariness blocked her. She looked over at Tempos, whose manner was
rapidly changing to rage, and decided that retreat was in order.
Clark wasn't cursed yet, and maybe she could bushwhack the sorcerer
somewhere else. She turned and left the hall without another word.

Behind her, the Baron was glaring at the sorcerer. "Are you still
sure that that's Lady Loisette?" asked Tempos sardonically.

"Ye-es, sire," replied the sorcerer thoughtfully. "But I have to
agree that her behaviour was unusual. She seemed to want to
approach me...."

"Whereas, normally, she'd sooner get close to a kitchen midden than
to you!"

"Very true, my lord. This *is* strange -- and yet, I am certain of
my findings. Souls are unique, no two alike, and hers is definitely
that of Lady Loisette. Nor could I find any trace of magic within
her, so she cannot be in the power of another sorcerer...."

"Are you sure that you'd know if she was?"

"Oh, yes, my lord...." The sorcerer smiled evilly, so evilly that
even Tempos recoiled from the malice that it showed. The sorcerer
saw this, and the smile widened. "You must be aware that since we
banished Sir Charles, my power has grown enormously. Together, by
that simple act, we have tilted a cosmic balance towards the side
of evil. Certain puissant beings have sought to reward us for our
help: my reward is this increased skill and knowledge of my arts,
equal to that of any sorcerer in the world; *your* reward is my use
of my new powers in your service.

"Oh, yes, my lord, I would know... as I know that other powers seek
me, even now. They cannot see me, nor anyone in this hall, unless
I wish it. And perhaps it is time that they did partly succeed in
their quest...."

"What do you mean?"

"We are under siege, sire. Oh, not an ordinary siege, with men and
engines -- *that* I could deal with now, with a mere wave of a hand
-- but a subtle, distant probing, of a kind never before seen. I
have been able to hide from it or deflect it, but I think that the
time has come to invite our enemies in -- into a trap, naturally."

"I see..." said Tempos. "Just what do you have in mind?"

"Oh, it's quite simple, sire, as are all good traps. First, I'm
going to let our watchers see me -- and you. And then...."

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Lois had spent a lot of time wondering where Clark was,
particularly while in the hall with the sorcerer. Clark had spent
even more time wondering where the sorcerer was; despite repeated
x-ray vision sweeps and even a couple of super-speed fly-pasts, he
had had no luck at all locating the man.

And then things got worse; he had seen Tempos' conversation with
Lois in the tower, and had followed the Baron as he returned to the
hall, but now he couldn't find *him* either. Not only that, but
Lois had been summoned to the hall, and *she* had disappeared for
a while. He heaved a huge sigh of relief when he saw her leave the
hall and walk towards a nearby flight of stairs.

"There's something very strange about that hall," he said to Wells.
"People go into it and... vanish. I can see into the hall fine, but
there's no-one there. I saw the Baron go in, and I could see him
and a whole lot of guards and servants, but then they all
disappeared. I saw Lois go in and come out, and all those people
came out of it while she was in there, but I couldn't see her when
she went in, and the people leaving weren't visible until they came
out of the door...."

"Hmmm..." replied Wells, who was sitting at the foot of one of the
trees. "That does sound rather as if there's something blocking
your super-vision. Since you cannot find the sorcerer, I suspect
that he is probably to blame."

"I think you're right..." muttered Clark. "But what do we do about
it? Should I simply grab the Baron when he shows up again, or do we
keep trying to find the sorcerer, and then take care of Tempos?"

"I don't know...." Wells' worried voice trailed off as Clark
visibly stiffened.

"*There* they are!" cried Clark. "They just appeared, both of them,
in the main hall. Hang on, Mr Wells, I'm gonna get us in there.
With luck, they won't even see us coming." He grabbed Wells and
took off at super-speed.

Clark swooped into the hall through a window, intending to flash
across the room, knock out the sorcerer, deposit Wells next to him,
and then grab Tempos. To his horror, he was barely inside the hall
when it felt for all the world as though he had flown into treacle;
the air clutched at him, and his super-speed flight was slowed to
the merest crawl. Fortunately, both he and Wells had slowed
together, so the time traveller wasn't hurt by the sudden
deceleration. But that was all of their good fortune; some unseen
force pulled them to the ground, where they rolled apart.

Across the room, Tempos was dumbfounded and the sorcerer was
ecstatic. "You see, my lord -- we *have* them!" And he began to
laugh, a deafening howl of the vilest, most malicious merriment.

With the unearthly glee of the sorcerer as background, Clark and
Wells found themselves fighting for their lives.

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Meanwhile, Lois hadn't gone far. Tempos might think he could order
her around and expect unquestioning obedience but, once out of his
sight, any pretence that she was going to do what he commanded
vanished instantly. Besides, if he was stupid enough to let her run
around unguarded... well, she'd just see what she could do to wreck
his little schemes.

Where was Clark? There was the sorcerer in the hall, finally out of
whatever hole he had been hiding in, and just waiting for Wells to
get close enough. How come Clark wasn't there already? If only
there was some way she could contact him....

She went to go out into the courtyard, in the hope that Clark would
see her and she could tell him about Tempos and the sorcerer and
their plans, but before she got outside, an uproar from the main
hall and an unholy cry from the sorcerer stopped her in her tracks.
She raced back to the hall doorway -- well, as fast as she could in
the burgundy gown -- and looked in.

The sight that met her eyes was horrific, even nightmarish. Clark
and Wells were entangled in thrashing tentacles that somehow were
growing out of the stone floor of the hall. As she watched, Clark
blasted the base of the ones holding Wells with his heat vision,
even as he ripped the tentacles gripping him out of the ground.
But, like the heads of the mythical hydra, for every one that he
burned or tore out, another, or even two others, would sprout from
the same spot and wrap themselves around their victim. Clark didn't
seem to be in any difficulty other than being two-thirds-covered by
the horrible things, but Wells was groaning and gasping, obviously
short of breath and in some pain from the grip of the soft, ghastly
limbs.

Again, Clark's heat vision shot out, cutting and scorching the
tentacles surrounding Wells. Just for an instant, Lois thought she
could see the red flash that was the only visible sign that Clark's
eyes were pouring out energy. The tentacles on the receiving end
withered, died and vanished into nothingness instantly, but any
respite that Wells might have gained was short-lived as new growths
slithered up his gasping figure.

Lois looked around desperately. There had to be *something* she
could do to help, but what? And then her gaze fixed on the
sorcerer. The repulsive creature was obviously behind this; if she
could distract him or, even better, disable him, Clark would be
able to save Wells and get him close enough to the sorcerer for
Doctor Fate to intervene -- *if* the woman lived up to her
promises. In any case, taking out the sorcerer had now become
vital, mysterious doctors or not, and Lois realised that *she* had
the best chance to do it because no-one would expect the
nobly-born, gentle Lady Loisette to attack them. Lois Lane Kent, on
the other hand, was more than ready and able to do just that. With
a wicked anticipatory glee that she did nothing to suppress because
it was all too appropriate, she prepared to strike back at the
sorcerer for his invasion of her soul. 'Play your rotten games with
*me*, will you? Now it's my turn....'

Quickly, she stepped back into the passage and slipped the gown
over her head; 20th-century clothes were much better for a fight
than medieval finery. She approached the doorway again and zeroed
in on the cackling figure of the sorcerer, who was now standing out
in the open with his back to her. 'Okay, you scumbag,' she thought,
'It's martial arts against sorcery. Here we go....'

Lois began to run into the hall, towards the sorcerer, quickly
accelerating to a full-blooded charge. Her footsteps rang out on
the flagstones and the sorcerer began to turn in her direction, as
did Tempos, but it was too late for either of them to stop her.
With her best Tae Kwon Do yell, she leaped and drove a booted foot
hard into the sorcerer's stomach....

Everything *froze.* For a timeless instant, Lois felt herself
suspended in mid-air while somehow, someone else looked with her,
through her eyes, at the motionless, unchanging scene. Then time
began again and she crashed to the ground on top of the sorcerer.

She went to roll away, partly to get off the loathsome little man,
but also to resume her assault. Before she could, however, there
was a golden flash, so quick that it was gone almost before her
senses registered that it had happened, and a *whoosh*, and she
found herself on the other side of the hall in Clark's arms. His
expression as he looked back at their foes was an odd, almost
contradictory mixture: he was alert and ready for action, but his
face showed an awed amazement, and then he glanced down at her with
eyes full of unconcealed and grateful pride and love.

She was incredibly glad to see him, and the look he gave her made
her heart turn over with joy, but she forced herself to concentrate
on what was going on behind her back, turning within his firm,
loving hug to see what he was looking at. She saw, and her own eyes
widened. The tentacles were gone, and the sorcerer, already doubled
over in pain from her attack, was bent even further under the glare
of a beam of yellow light that shone on him like an amber laser,
blazing down from an invisible source high in the rafters of the
hall. He was screaming silently and his eyes, full of hatred, were
fixed on the source of the light, as though he could see something
there where no-one else could.

And perhaps he could, for the same golden glow that had illuminated
Wells' room appeared and expanded into the form of Doctor Fate. The
blue-and-gold figure was male this time, but Wells, panting quietly
as he recovered from the grip of the tentacles, recognised the
costume -- *and* the voice.

"PAWN OF CHAOS! DUPE OF THE DWELLERS OF THE ABYSS!" Fate thundered.
"BY THE POWER OF LIGHT AND ORDER, I CAST OUT YOUR MASTERS!"

Again, golden light flared from Fate's hands, surrounding the
stunned figure of the sorcerer. The man wailed as the light wrapped
itself around him. The glow grew brighter, until only Clark could

bear to look at it. To his eyes, though, a macabre scene was
visible: ghostly figures were being... well, *pulled* was the only
word for it, from the sorcerer's body. They rose to coalesce above
his head, where they began to change; what had begun as a series of
vaguely human-like phantoms disappeared into smooth darkness to
re-emerge as a multitude of different shapes and forms which seemed
unable to hold their outline or texture for more than an instant.
They writhed and squirmed all over, thrashing about such limbs as
they had momentarily, but they were no more able to escape from the
golden light than they were to retain their shape.

The light began to fade, and with it the darkness that it enclosed
and the figures which that, in turn, contained. Before long, all
had vanished, leaving only the drab, wizened little man who had
been such a menace, threatening the lives and happiness of so many
people, only a few moments before.

"You Will Cast No More Spells, Sorcerer," intoned Fate. "Those Who
Empowered You Have Been Banished Once Again." The helmed figure
turned to face the three time travellers. "The Curse -- *All*
Curses -- Are Gone. The Mystic Danger To Your World, Herbert George
Wells, Is Over. I Leave The Historical Danger And The Disposal Of
The Baron To You. Farewell."

"Wait!" Lois yelled. Now that this mystery-man had turned out to be
one of the good guys, she had a few questions to ask him. "Before
you disappear, I think you owe us an explanation. We did your dirty
work for you, so the least you can do is fill us in on a few
details -- like what exactly it was that we *did*, and why... and
who you are!"

The golden helm, expressionless except for the eyes behind the
slits, turned to face her. For a moment, Lois felt herself to be
the subject of a scrutiny that went almost as deep as the
sorcerer's probing of her soul. Somewhat to her surprise, though,
she didn't feel the same sense of intrusion as she had with the
sorcerer, and any apprehension that she might have begun to feel
vanished when the costumed figure did something that was both
strange and somehow familiar: he cocked his head-- er, helmet, to
one side, and began to laugh.

The laughter was deep and rich, and full of joy and merriment. It
was infectious, and the three time travellers found themselves
smiling, caught up in the amusement without quite knowing what was
so funny.

Tempos, by contrast, looked rather sick. To his horror and mounting
anger, he had been helpless to intervene while his sorcerer had
been rendered powerless, but now he could take action, and the
first thing he had in mind was to run his sword through that
prating fool in the golden helm; then he'd call in his guards to
take care of Lady Loisette and her forsworn lover. Oh, yes, *and*
that oddly-dressed little man from Kent who dared to poke his nose
into his affairs!

He reached for his sword, but his hand got no further than just
touching the hilt. Doctor Fate raised one hand and performed a
complex gesture; there was a blaze of yellow light, and the Baron
froze in place, as did everyone and everything in the castle other
than the four people not from that time.

"Very Well," said Fate. "You Have Earned That Much, And More, This
Day. When Your Task Is Completed, I Will Come And We Will Talk."

The now-familiar flash came yet again, and the caped figure was
gone. The world began to move again.

"I've been *waiting* for this!" Clark growled, filled with a new
determination to finish this business. He began to spin, and the
jeans and shirt vanished in place of Superman's colourful uniform.
"Okay, Baron, we can do this the hard way or the easy way. What's
it gonna be?"

On reflection, Clark was later to realise that there wasn't any
real doubt in the matter. The Baron, once he'd recovered from his
amazement at the disappearance of Fate and Clark's transformation,
drew his sword, a feral grin on his face. "And I thought *his*
clothes were awful," he quipped, motioning with the sword towards
Wells. "What are you trying to be, Charles, the local Court Jester?
Oh well, it doesn't matter, because in two seconds you're going to
be carrion for the *dogs!*"

As he said the last word, Tempos charged, bringing his sword around
in a wide sweep. The blade struck Superman -- and shattered. The
Baron, still having the momentum that he'd put into the swing, kept
moving but was thrown completely off-balance by the impact and
crashed to the ground. Cursing, he rolled away from his foe -- who
hadn't moved yet -- and grabbed for a halberd from the wall.

Off to the side, Lois was grinning, and even Wells was having to
hide a smile. Tempos noticed this and snarled, "You may laugh
*now*, my lady, but I'll deal with you after I've run this traitor
through!" To his intense annoyance, this only made Lois dissolve
into giggles.

The Baron levelled his weapon, its point directed right at
Superman's chest emblem. The "target" didn't move. Tempos charged
again, viciously thrusting as he closed with his enemy.

When the weapon made contact with Superman, it felt to the Baron as
though he'd tried to stab a brick wall -- and Superman's body had
roughly the same effect on the halberd; the blade bent, and the
shaft snapped.

Tempos staggered backwards. *What* was he fighting? *Damn* that
sorcerer for a worthless knave! Just when he was needed, the
useless churl had to go and have his powers taken from him!

Superman decided to get this over with. His eyes narrowed; no-one
could see it, but a low-intensity beam of heat vision came from
them to bathe the Baron. "Tell me, Baron," he said, "After all that
exercise, aren't you feeling just a little... warm?"

The Baron was. To his horror, he could feel his chain-mail heating
up. He began to struggle with it, trying to get it off without
burning his hands.

Superman strode over to him. "Here -- let *me!*" With that, the Man
of Steel grasped the mail shirt and ripped it open. A startled
Tempos saw a red-and-blue blur before his eyes, and suddenly
realised that his armour was *gone!* He was clothed only in the
shirt and hose that he wore underneath it as padding.

Superman grabbed Tempos by the shirt and lifted him off the ground
with one hand. The Baron, afraid but determined not to show it,
looked down and snarled defiantly, "So what happens now? You kill
me?"

"No, Baron, I'm not going to kill you. I don't kill."

"Duh -- of course!" quipped Tempos. "The good guys don't kill,
except in a fair fight. Fools! Now, me, I'll kill anyone. Killing
*finishes* things -- and it's fun, too."

"Yeah, well, don't get too confident, Tempos. *I* may not kill you,
but you have an appointment with someone who just might...." So
saying, Superman rose from the ground, still holding the Baron with
one hand and, with a *whoosh*, they were gone.

A very short time later, the familiar gust of wind heralded
Superman's return. He picked up Lois and Wells as before, saying,
"Next stop, France. We've just about done our job, but I'd like to
make sure that Baron Tempos is properly... disposed of, as our
mystical friend said."

Seconds later, they were landing in the clearing. Sir Charles was
there, as were Lady Loisette, Friar Harry, the Fox's Men -- and,
chained to a tree, Tempos.

Superman walked over to the tree and snapped the chains, freeing
the Baron. Tempos would have fled, but was restrained by a
super-strong grip on one arm. He was dragged into the centre of the
clearing, where Sir Charles awaited him.

Lois came up to the group of men and began, "Okay, here's the deal.
Lady Loisette has promised to marry *you*--" She pointed to Tempos.
"--but really wants to marry *you.*" Her finger moved to Sir
Charles. "For reasons that we won't go into, we want what she
wants. But, if she went ahead and just did what she wanted, she'd
have broken her word, and that would be as bad as if she married
the wrong man. So, Baron, we're going to have to give you a
fighting chance -- you don't deserve it, but that's how it's gotta
be."

Tempos, angry at the off-hand manner in which Lois used his title,
went to strike her, but his arm was blocked, almost before he could
begin his blow, by the rock-hard muscles of Superman. The Baron
found himself once again hauled off the ground bodily by the
blue-clad hell-fiend, who turned him upside-down and held him,
one-handed, in mid-air while growling at him, "Let's get one thing
straight, Tempos: you can't hurt me, and if you even *try* to hurt
my wife, your 'fighting chance' will be the chance that a man has
when he's got four broken limbs and a fractured jaw! And don't
think I'm bluffing; *I* may not kill, but the danger that you
represent is more than enough justification for me to make it easy
for someone *else* to kill you. And there are at least a dozen
people here who'd do that without a moment's hesitation!"

This was, of course, mostly untrue -- Clark knew that the Baron had
to surrender, or at least release Lady Loisette from her promise to
marry him, for the future to be safe -- but Tempos didn't know
that; he looked into his captor's eyes and believed. The expression
there was one of grim determination, which, because *he* would have
no hesitation in crippling an enemy if, for some reason, he
couldn't kill him, Tempos took to be the gaze of an equally
implacable foe.

Superman lowered the Baron to the ground -- none too gently -- then
crossed his arms and stood impassively in the familiar pose as
Tempos got to his feet. If looks could kill, the Baron's fearful,
hate-filled glare would have... bounced off the Man of Steel's
invulnerable skin, just like every other weapon that he might have
tried, now that his sorcerer was powerless. And he knew it, which
only made his humiliation and fury all the greater.

He looked around for a way of escape, but had to give that up
almost before he'd begun when Superman said, in a voice that
brooked no inattention, "All right, Tempos, stop your scheming and
listen! This is where you get a choice. Either you can release Lady
Loisette from her promise to marry you and Sir Charles from his
exile, *and* go into exile yourself...."

"Never!" snarled Tempos.

"Or you get to fight Sir Charles, here and now. Winner take all."

"Is that supposed to be a *choice?*" laughed the Baron. "Surely you
jest! I beat him once, and I'll do it again!"
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One of Sir Charles' men came towards Tempos, carrying a sword. He
stopped in the middle of the clearing, however, when Superman held
up one hand. Clark stepped over to him and took the sword, saying,
"Let *me* -- just in case our friend there tries anything funny
once he has a weapon in his hand...."

Tempos cursed inwardly. He had been planning to grab the man and
use him as a hostage long enough to get his hands on an even better
one -- Lady Loisette. The noble Sir Charles, he was sure, would
hesitate to endanger one of his devoted followers, even if it meant
making things worse from his point of view by letting his mortal
enemy take his lady-love. What a fool!

But that gules-and-azure demon had thwarted that plan before he
could even attempt it. Still, it was worth remembering; if he could
manage to capture the lady, he'd have a perfect way of escaping
>from this trap with the ultimate prize. He'd just have to bide his
time and wait for an opportunity. Even the demon couldn't stop him
if he could just get close enough to Loisette.... (In this, Tempos
did Clark a considerable injustice, but he hadn't seen a
demonstration of real super-speed yet, nor would he have believed
in it without one)

Meantime, Superman was now right in front of him, holding the sword
out to him. "Take this, Tempos," said Clark. "And I suggest you
remember what happened to your *last* one before you try to use it
on me. You're going to need it, and no-one will give you another
sword if you ruin this one."

This gave the Baron pause, even as he took the weapon. He'd
half-expected to be run through on the spot; to be given a sword
and warned that he was going to need it was beyond all imagining.
But he shook that off; he was alive, fit, unbound and armed -- he'd
beat them all yet! He turned towards Sir Charles and mockingly
saluted him with his sword. "To the death!" he called, sneering.

Charles was impassive, as though he had been expecting this. He
replied in kind, although his "To the death!" was muted, with a
tinge of sadness that it had come to this.

Tempos was anything *but* sad as he stepped out into the clearing
to watch everyone but Sir Charles retire to the edges. He took
special note of where Lady Loisette was standing, and also of the
witch who looked so like her and had dared to mock him -- once
Charles was dead, he'd just see about teaching her respect for her
betters, hell-born "husband" or not. He began to muse on which of
the women would make the better hostage; Loisette was the real
prize, but the other wench would make a useful bargaining tool to
get to the lady, and was less likely to be closely guarded; should
he take one of them before or *after* he'd killed Charles...?

But Superman had been watching, and he suddenly stepped right up to
Tempos, impaling him with the glare that was known and feared by
the Metropolis underworld. His face scant inches from the
nobleman's, he said, quietly and forcefully, "Just remember one
more thing: this is going to be a *fair* fight, just you and Sir
Charles. No-one else will be allowed to interfere, so you needn't
worry about attacks from Sir Charles' men, or me -- but *you'll*
have to toe the line as well. If you try to run away, you lose; if
you try to grab anyone as a hostage, you lose; if you do *anything*
other than fight Sir Charles, and *only* Sir Charles, you lose; and
losing means that you'll end up right here, bound and unarmed, and
at Sir Charles' mercy."

Tempos quailed inwardly at Clark's words, not so much at what he
had said as from the conviction and power in the hero's voice. But
the arrogant self-confidence that was a basic part of his make-up
-- in any incarnation -- bolstered his ego and allowed him to
reply, "Hah! He'll soon be at *my* mercy, and I don't have any!"

Superman said nothing, merely standing his ground until Tempos
backed away from him. He then moved aside as Sir Charles came
across to face the Baron. The two men raised their swords and the
battle began.

What followed looked, to the eyes of the 20th-century couple, more
like something from an Errol Flynn movie than the fight that
Clark-as-Charles had had with the Baron. The real Sir Charles'
swordplay was much more controlled and skilled -- even flashy when
it had to be, which wasn't often. This was an unpleasant surprise
to Tempos, who had expected to overpower his opponent much as he
had done the "first" time, only to find that his attacks were
parried easily. Not that he had many opportunities to attack; this
time, he found himself almost entirely on the defensive,
desperately trying to block the knight's flashing blade.

Nor were his stratagems any more successful: attempts to lure Sir
Charles onto uneven ground were refused, dirty infighting just
didn't work, and insults and taunting were ignored. The knight
merely stood there, alert and watchful, ready for anything.

In a way, it was Sir Charles' refusal even to exchange banter with
him that led to Tempos' undoing. Fatigued and almost insane with
fury, he launched one final, all-out assault on his foe, attempting
to overwhelm the knight by sheer force. However, Charles had been
expecting this, and made an end of the fight; a simple but
precisely-timed step to the side, a clash of steel and a quick
thrust, and Tempos fell to the ground. His sword went flying, to be
scooped up at super-speed by Clark and returned to its owner.

Charles stood silently for a moment, breathing heavily as he looked
down the length of his sword at his erstwhile lord, at whose throat
the point now rested. "Will you yield, my lord?" he gasped out
after a few moments. "You have declared this combat to be mortal,
but I would yet hold my hand if you will release me and my lady
>from our promises. You know our terms. I ask again: *will you
yield?*"

Tempos was unable to move his head much, lest he suffer a
self-inflicted laryngectomy, but he still managed to glance about
himself wildly, searching for a way out of his predicament. But,
unable to find one, and with his eyes repeatedly drawn against his
will to the sight of the unwavering sword hovering less than an
inch from his throat, he finally croaked out, "Yes... yes, damn
you!"

Charles immediately stepped away from the Baron and allowed him to
rise. Lady Loisette ran to him, closely followed by Friar Harry and
the rest of his band. The three time travellers hung back -- or,
rather, Lois and Wells hung back while Superman kept a wary eye on
Tempos; Clark still didn't trust him and had no intention of
letting him make a last-minute grab for Lady Loisette or a weapon.
One wrong move out of the Baron, and he'd see what this "Court
Jester" could *really* do!

However, Tempos seemed thoroughly cowed -- for the moment, anyway.
He glared at them all one final time, then turned and headed for
the trees at a gentle jog. If, as he left, he muttered threats and
curses under his breath, only Clark could have heard them, and he
didn't bother; there was a limit to how much he should interfere in
this past life, he thought, and Charles hardly needed advice to be
wary of the Baron not keeping his word.

Charles himself stood with one arm around his lady and watched
Tempos depart, shaking his head gently. His men were less
restrained, jeering and cat-calling after the Baron. One of them
nocked an arrow and took aim at the fleeing figure. Charles saw
this and called to him, wearily but sharply, "Enough, Alain! He has
yielded. He was a tyrant, but he was our suzerain, and we should
honour him for that alone. God knows there has been little enough
honour in his life; we must not deny him this final chance to
redeem himself!"

Alain looked suitably abashed, and turned away, replacing the arrow
in his quiver as Charles kneeled and cleaned his sword on the grass
once his foe entered the forest.

Lois and Clark came over to their other selves, Wells following.
Lois turned to her husband and said happily, "That's that. Now
everyone can go back to England, Charles and Loisette can get
married, and *we* can go home."

"You bet!" laughed Clark. He fell silent for a moment and seemed to
be thinking, and his face took on a long-suffering expression as he
went on, "Although... considering what *we* went through, I kinda
wonder if we ought to ride shotgun on those two until they're well
and truly married!"

"Good point..." murmured Lois. She looked apprehensive; considering
the hell that she and Clark had had to endure, not to mention all
the tribulations that their souls seemed destined to undergo for
their love in each incarnation, maybe they *had* better stick
around. She racked her brains -- what *else* could go wrong?

She sighed, suddenly tired. She wished her medieval counterpart
and her husband-to-be nothing but the best, but really, she'd had
enough of this time. They'd done their job, and she had a little
girl to look after, back in Metropolis. Of course, Wells could take
them back to the exact time that they'd left, so no-one, not even
her mother, would be able to accuse her of gallivanting around and
neglecting Laura -- and, come to think of it, Ellen and Martha were
the ones doing the gallivanting at the moment -- but Lois still
didn't want to hang around here any more.

Thinking of the time machine and its owner made her realise that
*he* could well have the answer to their worries. She caught his
eye and walked over to him, then leaned over to whisper, "Now,
you're sure nothing goes wrong when *they* get married, aren't
you?"

Wells blushed. "As far as I know, Mrs Kent. I certainly have no
intention of interrupting them as I had to do on *your* wedding
night."

"That'll do..." said Lois. "Does that mean that we can go home?"

"Why, yes. All is well, which means we *should* be going... after
we witness one final important event."

Lois, beginning to get fed up with the whole business, gave him her
best "what *now?*" look, and Wells smiled conspiratorially before
leaning over to say in a carrying stage whisper, "Sir Charles has
yet to actually *ask* the lady to marry him."

Loisette heard this and looked questioningly, and lovingly, at her
soon-to-be lord -- or so she hoped. Charles, by contrast, had yet
to smile, despite the attentions of his lady and his followers.
Lois turned and caught sight of him, and suddenly felt uneasy. If
*Clark* had had that expression on his face, she'd be expecting to
have to grapple with a bout of super-angst. What could possibly
have robbed Charles of his self-confidence when he'd just rescued
his love from the awful prospect of marriage to Tempos?

Loisette may also have recognised the signs and come to a similar
conclusion, for she raised one hand to Charles' face before saying,
"My love, be at ease. I know that you feel that a 'mere knight' is
not worthy of my hand... but I have this day been delivered from
imprisonment by one of 'noble' birth.

"Charles, these good people have worked wonders for us, that we may
wed. I could not, in good conscience, let their efforts be for
naught, not when their wish is my greatest desire also. I knew from
the moment that Lord Kal brought me to you that I must wed you, and
stay with you, though you remained outremer for all our days."

Charles looked shocked. "My lady," he stammered, "You would do
this? Your family, your lands...."

She smiled up at him. "...mean naught to me if you are not there to
share them." She turned to wave a hand at Lois and Clark, who were
again standing together, each with one arm around the other. "Look
at them, my love. Can you not *see?* These people are somehow, by
some miracle, ourselves, and they, too, have overcome great trials
to wed. But they *have* wed, and the joy that marriage has brought
them shines from them like the light of the sun. That joy is their
gift to us, that we may share in it and return it many-fold. How
can we refuse? Compared to that joy and the love which both
engenders it and is engendered by it, what are lands, what is
wealth and rank? Surely the most barren of earthly pleasures.

"No, Charles. I swore to marry Tempos to save you, though it meant
that my heart must break and my body suffer his embrace; that I
could endure, for the sake of you. Now, my heart will not be denied
a second time; though you were the poorest villein in the world, I
would marry you, for God knows that a love such as ours should
not-- *must* not -- be thwarted for the sake of mere empty wealth."

The stunned expression on Charles' face gradually faded, and he
dropped to one knee in front of her. Grasping her hand, he looked
into her eyes and said, in full earnest, "Since that is your wish,
my lady... then know that your lands, your wealth... all are as
nothing to me, save that they come together with gifts of true
worth -- your heart, your soul... your love. These will I cherish
for all the days of my life, and beyond... if you will have me...."

Loisette didn't bother to answer, but reached out to pull him up
and kissed him.

Lois and Clark had been keeping quiet and standing almost
motionless while Loisette said her piece, but at the sight of
"themselves" kissing, they glanced at each other and went to do
likewise. But after a brief, if tender, brush of lips, they looked

back at Charles and Loisette, who were now surrounded by the Fox's
Men, all rejoicing at the good fortune of their leader and his
beloved. No-one was paying the slightest attention to the three
time travellers, so Lois signalled to Wells and they quietly
disappeared into the forest.

Once out of sight of the others, Clark scooped up Lois and Wells,
and they flew over the trees to another clearing some way away.
After they touched down, Wells began to fumble in his pockets.
Before he'd found what he was looking for, however, the
now-customary flash of light heralded the arrival of Doctor Fate.

"Sit, Please. Now That Your Efforts Have Been Successful, And None
Save Us Can Hear, I May Speak Of The Events Of Today And Their
Meaning For The Future."
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Despite her previous wish to return home, Lois couldn't resist
this, so she and the men sat quickly and settled down to listen.
The tale they heard was not short, spanning as it did over a
thousand years, and could well have been the basis of a multi-part
literary epic. The gist of it was that, left unchecked, Tempos'
sorcerer would have gained more and more mystical power as time
passed, and, as that power grew, so too would that of his master.
Eventually, the Baron, with the sorcerer's help, would try to usurp
the throne.

"His Plot Failed, For There Are Subtle And Immensely Powerful
Mystic Safeguards Inherent In Kingship, Of Which The Baron And His
Sorcerer Knew Nothing. But, As They Failed, The Baron Commanded His
Sorcerer To Use His Remaining Power To Call Down A Terrible Curse
Upon The Souls Of The King And His Principal Captains. However, The
Sorcerer Had All But Exhausted His Strength In His Previous Attacks
On The King And His Men, And Was Only Able To Cast A Spell That
Would Take Effect 'When Next They Met.'"

The curse would lie dormant until both Tempos and the King and his
captains were reincarnated at the same time -- which did not happen
before the era of Utopia, when the Baron lived again as Tempus, and
his enemies as officers of the Utopian security forces. For over a
thousand years it slumbered, gradually gathering strength as time
passed. The defeat of Tempus Tex in the 19th century, and the
resulting righting of the balance between Good and Evil, had
slowed, but not stopped, the growth of its malign power.

That power waxed mightily with such a long time in which to grow,
but was never called upon because the souls of its intended victims
were not linked to those of Lois and Clark -- and thus to Tempus --
and so, by chance or design, did not encounter him in their
intermediate incarnations. Not until....

"Tempus, Unable To Destroy The Civilisation Which He Hates By
Striking At Its Founders -- *You*, Lois Lane And Clark Kent -- Or
Their Heirs, Decided To Conquer It, Using Troops And Equipment
Taken From Times And Alternate Dimensions Less Peaceful Than
'Boring' Utopia.

"But, As Ever, His Scheme Was To Fail. Tempus' Contempt For His
Time And Place Of Origin Blinded Him To The Simple Truth That Men
And Women, Even Those Of Utopia, Will Defend Their Home With All
That They Are And All That They Can Bring To The Fight. Against
That Strength And Determination, His Mutates And Technology Were
Insufficient To Carry The Day."

But the "victory" of the defenders was a Phyrric one. Tempus was
defeated, but the curse ensured that the cost was the destruction
of both the society and people of Utopia. And with them, so
perished humanity on Earth and much of the life on the planet. The
human race had spread to the stars by then, but its homeworld was
left a charred ruin on which little could survive.

"*That* Is What You Have Prevented Today. Your Deeds Are A Feat
Worthy Of Great Honour, Though None Of The Billions Who Would Have
Died, But Now Shall Live, Will Ever Be Aware That It Was Done. But
*We* Know...."

Lois and Clark looked at one another, their eyes wide. This was
pretty mind-boggling, even for them -- two people who were
accustomed to "saving the world" on a fairly regular basis. Neither
of them said anything, but each knew that the other was thanking
God that they'd agreed to help, and also that they'd managed to
pull it off.

Lois' eyes went past Clark to focus on Wells, who, she noticed, was
so pale that he could well be going to faint. Wells looked at Fate,
and then at his companions from the 20th century, and for a moment,
Lois was afraid he was going to break down and cry. He had thought
that he had known what was at stake in their efforts against the
Baron, but the scope of the danger to his adopted home was more
than he could have imagined.

He got up and moved away from everyone, obviously struggling to
maintain his composure, and Lois and Clark concentrated their
attention on Doctor Fate, so that their friend could recover his
equanimity. Fate, too, seemed to realise that a distraction would
be helpful, for he also rose, taking a few steps away from the
couple before turning back to face them and say, "As For Your Other
Question -- Who I Am... Who *We* Are... Can You Not Guess, Lois
Lane?"

And suddenly, Lois thought that she could. In fact, it now seemed
incredibly obvious -- almost as obvious as the true identity of
*another* costumed figure, once she'd worked it out. The way in
which the "man" had cocked his head, his laugh, the determination
and intensity that he had shown as he vanquished the sorcerer, the
way in which he'd arrived in the nick of time and then made to
leave as soon as his job was done -- even his build in the blue
tights; it was all so familiar. And, since she had been brought
here, to a field in France, seven or eight hundred years before
she'd been born, to help a previous incarnation of herself and her
husband and soul mate, it was no great stretch of the imagination
to realise that this cloaked and helmeted figure was....

"Us..." she said in amazement, "You're *us!* Mr Wells said that you
were a man and a woman joined together...." She looked at Clark,
her face glowing with an increasingly gleeful grin; he smiled back,
recognising her manner as the classic
Lois-putting-all-the-clues-together that he knew so well, and
delighted to see. "Don't you see, Clark? They must be another
incarnation of our souls!"

And so it proved to be. Fate's hands lifted to the golden helm and
raised it from his head... and the blue-and-yellow figure vanished
in another flash of light, to be replaced by two other figures --
a man and a woman, both with their arms raised, holding the helmet
between them. Their clothes were unusual -- sort of an ultra-modern
version of doublet-and-hose, with boots and a kind of tool-belt --
but their faces and forms looked *very* familiar.

The couple spent a moment just looking at each other, and turned
and walked over to the others, hand in hand. Later, Lois was to
wonder where the helmet had gone, but not even Clark was able to
answer that question. He hadn't been paying that much attention to
it, being rather more interested, as Lois herself had been, in the
people rather than their headgear, but, to the best of his
recollection, it was there... and then it wasn't!

The man -- who, of course, looked like Clark, except that his hair
was rather longer (as was that of his companion) -- held out his
hand to his counterpart. "Hello," he said, shaking hands, "We know
you, but you don't know *our* names. I'm Kent Nelson, and this is
my wife, Inza."

Clark did a slight double-take at the man's name, mostly because of
the coincidence (if that was what it was) of the Kent name. Lois
didn't seem to react to that; however, once everyone had exchanged
greetings, she had her own bone to pick regarding names. "Inza?"
she remarked curiously, "That's kind of unusual... not the name
itself, but that I-- *you* have it. From everything Mr Wells has
told us about our... other lives, we always seem to end up with
similar sorts of names. Hard 'C' names for Clark -- Charles,
Carlos... even Kent, I guess; same sound -- and 'L' names for me.
So why 'Inza'?"

Inza laughed at that. "Don't worry, Lois -- I can call you Lois,
can't I?" At Lois' nod, she continued, "It's a nickname. My real
name is Lindsey, but my baby sister used to call me Inza while she
was learning to talk, and it just stuck."

She shrugged resignedly, and Lois recognised her own reaction to
certain of Lucy's peccadilloes in the past. This gave her a pretty
good idea of who the "baby sister" must be, which was an
interesting thought -- but that could wait.

The two couples settled down and began to chat. Lois and Clark did
most of the talking at first; the Nelsons were pleasant enough, and
certainly curious about the 20th century, but rather reticent when
it came to discussing their own lives and era. Clark whispered to
a slightly frustrated Lois, whom he recognised as starting to
employ certain classic Lane interviewing techniques, that they were
probably concerned not to give away anything that might alter their
own past. That made sense, so the conversation turned to more
general topics.

Wells had regained his usual aplomb by now, and came over and sat
down between the women to join the discussion. Finally, after what
seemed like only a few minutes but, by the sun, must have been more
like hours -- either way, it was one of the most relaxing
afternoons that either Lois or Clark could remember (and later,
they wondered if that might have been Doctor Fate's way of saying
"thank you") -- Kent got to his feet and helped Inza up.

"It's time we were going, I'm afraid. Our job is done -- here, and
now -- but other eras and places require our attention. Duty is
always calling."

"Oh, yeah," muttered Clark. "I know all about *that* one..."

Kent smiled down at his wife, drew her close and gave her a hug --
one that, to Lois' eyes, looked very characteristic, being
virtually identical to the way in which Clark hugged her. Then he
cocked one eyebrow and held up the helmet, which had appeared as
silently and mysteriously as it had vanished. "Who wants to drive?"

Inza grinned back, obviously enjoying a private joke. "My turn,
isn't it?"

"Guess so, honey," Kent replied. He held out the helmet, and she
took it in both hands and closed her eyes. There was another flash
of yellow light, and Doctor Fate, now female, was there in place of
the couple.

"Farewell, Herbert George Wells. Farewell, Lois Lane And Clark
Kent. May We Meet Again, If It Is So Ordained, Under Happier
Circumstances. And Now, I *GO!*"

And she did, disappearing in a golden flare that momentarily
outshone the late afternoon sun.

No-one moved for several moments, nor did they speak... until Wells
took out a handkerchief and blew his nose, after which everyone's
attention came back to the here and now. Wells replaced the
handkerchief and reached into another pocket, pulling out his
signal device. His fingers moved over it and the time machine
appeared. He climbed aboard and waved a hand at his companions.
"Here we are. Do sit down, and I'll take you back."

                    *         *         *

The time machine materialised back in Metropolis at 11 a.m. on the
same day that it left. Lois, suddenly cold after the warmth of the
summer evening that they'd left, invited Wells in for a cup of tea
or coffee, but he declined and she didn't press the point. She was
glad that everything had turned out okay, but Wells *was* something
of a bird of ill-omen, only turning up when trouble beckoned. It
wasn't his fault -- *he* wanted to let them live out their lives
undisturbed, and only became involved when someone like Tempus
interfered -- but she couldn't help but resent him, just a little.
Wells left for his own era immediately, and Clark and Lois went
inside.

"So, what would you like to do today?" asked Clark a little while
later. "Still want to go to Centennial Park?"

"No-o-o..." said Lois, her eyes narrow and her voice sultry, "I
think I've had enough outdoor activity for the time being. I feel
more like playing a game -- say, Knights and Ladies...."

"Oh, yes," replied Clark, catching on but enjoying bandying words
with his wife. "And just what is involved in this game..?"

"Well-ll... it occurred to me that it was kinda important in those
days for the consummation of a marriage to be witnessed -- as a
sort of testimony that the couple were irrevocably bound to one
another....."

"Don't tell me... We never got to see Charles and Loisette marry,
but since we have their souls, we can 'witness' the consummation
all by ourselves, in the privacy of our own home -- just so long as
we do it before our moms get back with Laura."

"Clever boy..." cooed Lois as she walked towards the stairs. She
stopped at the foot and began to unbutton her blouse, looking back
provocatively over her shoulder at Clark, still lounging in an
armchair. "Well, my lord..?"

Lois squealed as Clark flashed towards her at super-speed, scooped
her up, flew up the stairs and dumped her on the bed. She might
have protested, but her mouth was covered by his and she had much
more interesting things to do than complain....

The End

[As promised, in case you had trouble understanding some of the
medieval words in this story, here's a quick glossary:

Azure: blue (used in heraldry -- literally, "sky-coloured")
Churl: another word for a serf or peasant, with the implication of
uncouth behaviour, as in the modern "churlish"
Garderobe: a castle's lavatory, so called because clothes were hung
in there as well (!)
Gules: red (used in heraldry -- literally, "blood-coloured")
Halberd: a "pole-arm", or kind of spear, with a complex head
consisting of an axe-blade with a spike at the back and a thrusting
point at the front
Nithing: an insignificant person (with an implication of stupidity)
Outremer: overseas; literally, "out of the realm"
Scry: to "far-see", usually using a device like a bowl of ink or a
mirror -- magic telescopic vision, if you like
Surcoat: a tunic worn over armour, displaying the heraldic arms of
the person wearing it, or their lord. Used to identify people (so
you could tell who to fight <g>)
Suzerain: the lord or sovereign by whose authority a lesser lord or
knight held their lands and/or rank
Villein: a serf, or a "land-slave"; someone who is a tenant of a
piece of land, and who "rents" it by working on it.]

Characters in this episode are copyrighted by DC Comics, December 3rd
Production and Warner Brothers. No infringement is intended in any part by
the author or the Season 6 group, however, the ideas expressed within this
episode are copyrighted (c) 1999 to the author.
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ok! Has n-e-1 hear that Dean Cain is filming a movie here called
unconcerned? If you have  can you plase give more details to me?!?!
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Forgive the length of this e-mail.  I am this close -><- to finishing
a fan-fic, and I'm frustrated.  So I'm writing long e-mail to work out
my mental blocks.

Sambrea wrote--
>Just one question for all you fans who watch it every day.  What is
the point of that?

I'd love to respond to this one, Sambrea.  It's not that I want to
pick a fight, it's just that I have a lovely response that lets me get
WAFFy about my husband, James.

Just a bit of background, and I'll try to be brief.

The night I met my husband, I invited him to join the weekly Star Trek
party that I had organized.  Trek was great for a while, but shortly
after we married it got kind of stale, partly because it works better
in large groups and partly because of the way the show was going.
(Let's face it.  Worf belonged with Troi who allowed their
relationship to flow and grow, rather than Dax who took the
we'll-jump-in-bed-and-build-a-relationship-later approach.)  For a
while we gave up the TV and stuck to things like jigsaw puzzles for
entertainment.

I ran across Lois and Clark after reading about it in TV Guide when
they were starting up reruns of the show between the second and third
seasons.  (By far, my favorite seasons are the second and third,
though I digress.)  We decided L&C was a great weekly date for two
starving newlyweds who didn't have enough money to go out, but who
wanted to set aside special time for just ourselves.  We moved during
the fourth season, around the same time they started messing with the
time slot and kind of lost track of it for a while.

I wrote all of that to get to this point.  (Yes!  I do have a point!)

I don't mind watching L&C every day since it reminds me so much of
James and my roots, of a time when we only had each other and felt we
were blessed of God to be given so much.  I'll admit that we don't
watch it on TNT any more, due to the fact that we're both at work when
it airs.  However, we pull out a tape more often than we turn on the TV.

I hope that answers your question, Sambrea, in an honest and accepting
manner.

Thanks to all who stuck through this to the end,
==

Elisabeth

Feel free to visit my home at http://geocities.com/Area 51/Starship/7859

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Nice story, Phil! I was initially disappointed when I realized that this
story was going to be part of S6 -- I wanted something *new*! But you
changed it so seamlessly that I lost myself in the story and just enjoyed
it all over again. (I missed the bed, though. <g>)

Why don't we find out what Ellen and Martha did to Laura? I was expecting
her to come back with pierced ears or something...

Hazel
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Yeah, the latest ep of S6 was great.  I enjoyed it.

Can hardly wait for the next ep.  Yeah.  what did happen when Ellen and
Martha took care of Laura?  Do I hear a fan fic being written in
someone's mind LOL

sue
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Thanks, Patty and Eileen, for the info about printing out hardcopies of
fanfics.  Inspired by your efforts, I took some time this afternoon to
compress and print a couple myself.  Of course, everything always takes
longer
than it should, the first time I try it.  I wanted the lines to print across
the whole page, so as not to waste paper.  I only needed to delete the
single
line feeds while retaining the double line feeds, right?  So simple, I got
it
after only about six tries. ;)  Next I had to figure out how to reload the
printer so the pages got printed right side up and on the blank side the
second time through.  Eventually I had hard copies of two fanfics.  Yay!

Then I spent some more time (time that I probably should have spent reading
;)
in figuring out how to transfer a fanfic to my Palm Pilot.  A Palm Pilot, if
you don't know, is one of those small electronic day-runner things. I use
mine
a lot. Anyway, I had read this was an "easy" task. Hah!  Downloaded two
utility programs off the web, converted the text file, and installed it.
Only
took about an hour to install the first file, one minute for the second.
Piece of cake!

I know I'll read the hard copies.  The question is whether I'll read the
ones
on my Palm Pilot.  I'm saving them for times this week when I'm waiting for
carpool or otherwise uselessly occupied in my car.  We'll see.  That screen
is
awfully small.

Donna H, who *will* get all the nominated stories read <g>
donnah7@aol.com
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Hey everyone!

I just watched "Resurrection" from one of my videos, and I hated seeing =
Daniel Scardino, but I saw a part of the episode that inspired me to =
write a fanfic to change it.  It was the part where Clark is about to =
explain to Lois why he'd been ignoring her and then the doorbell rang, =
and Scardino is at the door. Well, i wanted to write one where Scardino =
does NOT interrupt and Clark gets to explain himslef. I'll start on it =
just as soon as I get you guys approval and as soon as someone can tell =
me exactly what was said before the doorbell.=20

Thanks, Supergirl

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This week on Season 6, our old friend H.G. Wells is back! It seems he
received a mysterious visitor, who told him that Utopia as he knew it
would collapse unless he, Lois Lane, and Clark Kent did something to
prevent it. Find out how they save civilization in Phil Atcliffe's "The
Hand of Fate", available at:

http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/
or http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/s6text.htm

and don't forget to tell Phil how much you liked it. Writers thrive on
that.

==Alyssa in St. Paul== (alyssam@earthlink.net)
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"Two candles, always separate, but living always in each
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Hi everyone,
I new to the list. I was looking through the archive & saw that there =
are some good stories except that I have one problem. I can't download =
them from the site. If it is not too much trouble can anyone who has =
written fanfiction in the past please email it to me. I would really =
appreciate it. Email them to ghettoqueen@cwix.com. Again thanks alot.

Wendy

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one=20
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trouble can=20
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Date:         Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:06:47 -0800
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Hi Kathy,
I noticed that it said Season 6 Episode 6. Where can I get Season 5 & the
beginning of Season 6. If it's at the achrive I can't download them from the
web site. So if that's it is there anyway you could email them to me at
ghettoqueen@cwix.com

Wendy
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From: Kathy Brown <kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM>
To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
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Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 9:45 AM
Subject: NEW FANFIC> S6, Ep 6, The Hand Of Fate

>Hi everyone,
>
>Normally I wait until Alyssa posts that the S6 episode is up on the S6
>website before posting the story to the Fanfic list, but my ISP has been
>acting squirrly lately and I figure I better post this while I have a
>window of opportunity. I would hate to wait until tonight then have my mail
>server go down again!
>
>However, I would encourage everyone to visit the S6 website--either before
>or after you have read this episode--to look at the pictures that will be
>associated with this episode.  There are some nice ones in there, if I do
>say so myself. :)
>
>And so, I bring you ... The Hand Of Fate!!
>
>Kathy
>
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At 03:32 PM 3/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
>ok! Has n-e-1 hear that Dean Cain is filming a movie here called
>unconcerned? If you have  can you plase give more details to me?!?!

by the way HERE is in Montreal Quebec Canada!
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Hey stacy,
I kind of new & haven't read that one & I didn't know your email address so
could you email me that fanfiction to ghettoqueen@cwix.com. I woulod really
appreciate it. Thanks!!!!!!!

Wendy
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Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 6:14 PM
Subject: Nightmare

>I still have Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue. So if anyone still needs
>it, e-mail me privately and I would be happy to forward it to you. I
>will try and forward it to those who need it sometime tomorrow (3/14)
>later in the day. (that way, it will give you time to e-mail me)
>
>Stacy
>
>
>
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>==
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>Stacy
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Well I can't tell what was said right before the doorbell but I can tell =
you that I ove the idea of Daniel npt interrupting. I didn't like daniel =
so anything that takes him (Luther, Patrick, the doctor that "helped" =
Lois throught her amnesis(Can't remeber his name right now) & Mason) out =
of the picture I'm happy with.

Wendy
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   =20
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    Hey everyone!
    =20
    I just watched "Resurrection" from one of my videos, and I hated =
seeing Daniel Scardino, but I saw a part of the episode that inspired me =
to write a fanfic to change it.  It was the part where Clark is about to =
explain to Lois why he'd been ignoring her and then the doorbell rang, =
and Scardino is at the door. Well, i wanted to write one where Scardino =
does NOT interrupt and Clark gets to explain himslef. I'll start on it =
just as soon as I get you guys approval and as soon as someone can tell =
me exactly what was said before the doorbell.=20
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At 11:29 PM +0200 3/14/99, Hazel Brown wrote:
>Nice story, Phil! I was initially disappointed when I realized that this
>story was going to be part of S6 -- I wanted something *new*!

You aren't the first to ask why we included an "old" (albeit revised) story
in S6.  So I'll explain. :)

First of all, I admit I love this story and was thrilled when Phil
suggested it as a back-up episode.  I was just tickled pink to have this
story become part of S6 continuity. :)  (The same can be said for Sheila's
S5 episode, "Faster Than A Speeding Bullet", which was also an previously
released story that was revised for inclusion in the S5/S6 continuity.)

Second, as I said above, HoF was considered a "back up" story while were
were planning the schedule this last summer.  We planned all along to do 11
episodes (instead of S5's 22), but we also originally planned to have the
opening arc (with L&C fighting Social Services) to be a 3 parter, not a 2
parter.  When it became clear that Strained Relations/For The Good Of The
Child was going to work best as a 2-parter, viola! We had HoF to fill in
the schedule. :)

Third, has anyone noticed how *long* the majority of S6 episodes are?? <g>
Most S5 episodes were about 70-90K, which is what we asked of the S6
writers also.  Most S6 episodes, however, have been 140-190K long!  In
hindsight, we could have broken each of these stories into 2 part episodes
and made you wait a week or two in between parts, but would you really
prefer that? ;)  (That's not to say that double length episodes are
superior to single length ones -- Crystal's "Hypergirl" was 90K and I think
it reads the closest to a "real" episode of L&C of all the S6 eps. :))

>But you
>changed it so seamlessly that I lost myself in the story and just enjoyed
>it all over again. (I missed the bed, though. <g>)

I was a huge fan of this story before S6 was even a glimmer in anyone's eye
<g> and even I was pleasantly surprised how the subtle changes worked into
the story. And that (new) ending?? LOL! I never saw that coming.  Great job
as always, Phil. :)

>Why don't we find out what Ellen and Martha did to Laura? I was expecting
>her to come back with pierced ears or something...

LOL!

Kathy

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Date:         Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:16:44 EST
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Warning: This post has potential spoilers in it. You might want to read the
Sequel to Three Grandmothers and "Can't Live..." before reading this. :-)

Hi All!
I just finished reading a couple of the new stories on the Archive (like I
do
every Sunday ;-)) and I was really impressed.

First of all, the story "Three Grandmothers" by Piper was wonderfully
written
because of the huge plot twist. The reader thinks the third Grandmother is
Lara, only to find out that...well, you better go read this one ;-).  And in
this sequel, DC took a very tricky situation and did a very good job
resolving
it. (I like happy endings.) If she hadn't told us, I never would have
believed
the author was only 12. Her writing reflects the ability of someone much
older.

Even though I despise the idea of Lois with another man--these stories
introduce a very interesting theme. Is there only one person for everyone?
The
idea of Lois and Clark being inextricably linked is very romantic and WAFFy,
but if Clark had never come back, would Lois really be expected to live her
whole life alone? Could even she live without Clark?

That leads me to the next story I read, "Can't  Live (If Living is Without
You)", by Raconteur 27. In it, the alternate Clark faces death because of
his
lonliness. This story answers the above questions with a definite "No, they
can't live without each other." It has a great line near the end, "Neither
Clark Kent nor Superman could live without Lois Lane."

On a more technical note, this story was extremely well written and very
complete. I love it when a writer really takes the time to explain things
fully and descriptively--something I wish I was better at! I enjoyed it very
much! Thanks guys!

Juli :-)
who will now relenquish the computer to her impatient husband who thought
I'd
never quit typing. :-(.