From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9902C" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:33:57 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: eligible fics? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:05 PM -0600 2/14/99, Melissa Day Hall wrote: >Yes, but the first of the If Only trio (at least it's a trio so far ;) was >posted to Margaret's site in December '97, but didn't hit the Archive until >June 21st, '98. So- is it eligible? Yes, the "If Only" series is indeed eligible. It has already received a fair amount of nominations for Best Series, actually. :) At 9:28 AM -0800 2/13/99, Rachel TenHaaf wrote: >Hi! First I want to say thanks to everybody who helped me out with my >last question about how to ground Superman. It gave me a lot of ideas >and inspired me to continue. Second, I have another question. What year >was "have a holly jolly christmas...or not" written in? Holly Jolly Christmas doesn't seem to have a date on it, and it's not listed on my spreadsheet. Therefore, we can assume it was written before Sept 1997, which is when I started running that part of the archive. :) Get those nominations in, everyone. We have one week left, and while there are definitley some favorites emerging, in most categories, there are several stories with one or two nominations. Get in there and break those ties! Your nomination could definitely be the difference between your favorite story getting a slot in a category. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:02:35 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990212230352.00a08ae0@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:03 PM -0500 2/12/99, demona wrote: > Of >even if someone who was scared, like "Naughty Nanny" for example, were to >claim that a person plagerized *her* and not the other way around, that >could create a lot of problems for people who don't deserve it. > I'm assuming this person is the same person that stole Debz's fanfic Rubber Duckie of the L&C Archive. It came to my attention about 5 months ago that this fic was up on a Nanny site, and I took immediate steps to have it removed. When first asked about it, the author did indeed claim that Debz stole *her* fic, but as soon as the person who runs the Nanny fanfic archive confronted her with the truth (that RD had been up for 2.5 years as an L&C fic, etc.), she admited she stole it and dropped out of sight. Apparently this caused quite a stir in Nanny fandom, since this woman was one of their active fans and left many "friends" shocked and hurt by her behavior. The site coordinator for the Nanny site took down all of this woman's stories immediately -- she rightfully assumed that if she stole one story, she may have stolen more. I have no proof that this is the same person as "Naughty Nanny". I do, however, find it difficult to believe that there would be TWO people stealing stories in Nanny fandom (which the fanfic coordinator told me was not all that large to being with), so my guess is yes. She was booted off the legitimate fanfic site for plagarism, so she started her own annoyomous site to continue. (And to the credit of the person running the main Nanny website, she was completely mortified that it had happened on her site (or at all), and was apologetic and quick to remove all stories by that author >from their site.) (As a side note, I admit I was suprised to see Debz's post that she was taking her nfic off-line. I wrote her 5 months ago about Rubber Duckie being stolen, explaining what had happened and that I had demanded that the Nanny fanfic page include a notification that this particular story was stolen and who the rightful author was. Debz never wrote me back about it, though, so I assumed she had nothing to add on the topic. Maybe this increased targetting of nfic made her realize it was more widespread than she (or any of us) had originally thought.) At 8:34 AM -0800 2/12/99, Terry Thurston wrote: >Ummmmm... > just if anybody wants to know a.t.x.c (x-files fanfic ng) has been trying >to find ways to deal with Naught Nanny. she has also stolen fic's from well >known X-Files fanficton authors. Just thought you may want to know. > >angie Angie, if you hear any more about this, I'd be interested in being kept aprised. Again, assuming this is the same person I dealt with 5 months ago, I'd be curious to hear what sort of avenues they are pursuing and what sort of response they are getting. >>>>http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Studio/8064/ This site apparently has been shut down. I just went there and all I get is a link back to the main geocities web site. Whatever complains they got obviously worked, at least temporarily. But I wouldn't put it past this woman to keep moving her site around to new "victim" servers. She's obviously been doing this for several months now, and has been confronted before. I hope people will keep monitoring the WWW for a new location and will alert others when/if they find it. At 1:42 AM -0500 2/14/99, Pam Jernigan wrote: >This is quite alarming ... do you know which L&C authors/stories have >been ripped off? I visited the site earlier today (it was up at that >point) but I really couldn't bring myself to read any of the stories. I >enjoy watching the sitcom, but the thought of plagerized fanfic just turned >my stomach. I mean, Lois & Fran are *nothing* alike in characterization! >Simply changing names wouldn't begin to make a story "fit"... As I said above, the only one I know of that was stolen from L&C was Deb's "Rubber Duckie". In this case, it actually did "fit". RD is all about waiting to make love until your wedding night, and the frustrations associated with this decision. Since Fran and Max also waited (yes, I watch the show; sue me ) it did fit remarkably well in their universe. The story worked much better for L&C -- don't get me wrong -- but it was a perfect choice as far as plagerism goes. But XFILES???? You've gotta be kidding me. Talk about different characters. LOL. I had heard five months ago that another Nanny story attributed to the author that stole Rubber Duckie might have been stolen from a Highlander (I think that was it) fanfic site, so apparently this woman just surfs all over the place stealing fics. Wow, and some people think I need a life. ;) If anyone knows of any other L&C stories/authors that were plagarized, please let me know. Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:52:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: FoLC Lore Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 re: shared fanfic lore, Nethra mentioned: >> .what about the fact that Lois named the bear Clark won for her in GGGOH "Clarkie." << Ooh, that's a good one. I think Leigh Raglan started that particular hab= it of ours... And then Christina added: >> I know this isn't much, but I noticed that whenever Lois has a cat in = a fanfic, (she didn't have one in the show,) the cat's name is Elroy. I think that was the name of her cat in the second series comics, thought I havn't seen it for a while. << Another good point. Yes, I think she did have a cat named Elroy in the comics at some point, not that I read the comics very frequently... And I ran across another one this weekend: Lois & Clark's favorite restaurant, Angelina's. Chris Mulder invented this place for "Love Beyond All Measure" a few years ago, but it's shown up in several other fanfics -- and when she's talked about it to authors that have used= it, half the time they're convinced that it was actually on the show :-) = Which is quite a nice compliment to Chris, when you think about it... PJ who still has openings for Kerth Award presenters, if you'd like to be pa= rt of FOLC history Send me a note at: jernigan@bellsouth.net !^NavFont02F03C80025MGHHGlMGnHG6BMG6DHGCAMGCCHH8DMH8FHJCAA712 Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com) ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ It's KERTH time! Read all about it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html ~~~~~ Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ (I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could ) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:41:43 -0500 Reply-To: nsa105@psu.edu Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nethra Ankam Subject: Re: FoLC Lore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pam Jernigan wrote: > And I ran across another one this weekend: Lois & Clark's > favorite restaurant, Angelina's. Chris Mulder invented this place for > "Love Beyond All Measure" a few years ago, but it's shown up in several > other fanfics -- and when she's talked about it to authors that have used > it, half the time they're convinced that it was actually on the show :-) > Which is quite a nice compliment to Chris, when you think about it... > Really? Well, then I'm one of the guilty! I guess when ever I saw Angelina's in fanfic, I always assumed it was where L&C had their first date. I haven't watched the episodes more than say 4 times and I'm not always that attentive, so I thought I had missed it. And about "Clarkie"...people always assume he has a prominant position on Lois' bed! :) Nethra ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:59:04 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Fanfic idea MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! For those of you who aren't on the other LNC list, Jessi had a really terrific idea, and I thought I'd pass it along. ;) PW wrote: >gives her time off, CK asks what she will do with her free time and she >says she will go to the Bermuda Triangle. CK is really secretly >pleased by that. Fanfic idea about that trip? Then Jessi wrote: >>You know, that was always one of my favorite fanfiction ideas. Lois goes on a cruise of the Bermuda Triangle and of course the ship would have to crash. With a mix of the Bermuda Triangle and Lois, it inevitable. And, knowing Lois, she would have the kryptonite in her possesion at all times, so when Superman goes to rescue her, she's accidentally killing him. Unfortunately, I don't right fanfiction and I've never seen that fanfiction anywhere, so I guess that one will just stay in my head for a while. (Unless one of you fanfiction writers like it. Hint hint.) << What a great idea, huh? ;) I may have to hire her as my ideas person. I bet she'd give official permission to someone to use that idea if they emailed her. I'd write it, but...I'm just a little bit busy lately. Back to tallying nominations... Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** NOMINATE YOUR FAVORITE FANFIC! http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/kerth-nom.html ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:26:00 MST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEBRA GRAY Subject: Re: Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rachel wrote: <> NOT!!!! Supermann is one of my faves - I forget why just now cuz I haven't watched it in a while. I think maybe it WAS the Nazis made me like it - I really enjoy history and historical fiction, and questions of "What would have happened if (you name the event) had or hadn't happened the way it really did", etc. Besides, this was the first ep I ever taped and saved from LnC! Sorry - this post is reactionary. I hadn't intended to respond to the Ultra Survey until I'd had a chance to go home and check my tapes. (I don't have my own computer yet and have to check my email at the public library :( GULP!!!) Let me do that, then I will post again and answer the question properly! Debra G. dlgray@usa.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:31:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: NEW S6: Hypergirl (2/5) Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 SEASON 6/EPISODE 5 -- HYPERGIRL (2/5) ********** = Clark understood immediately what Perry had been yelling about on the telephone. The Northern Metropolis shopping mall, an area that was normally fairly busy, was now overrun with people. Most of the crowd consisted of teenagers, none of whom were being terribly courteous. Superman made a couple of quick interventions to prevent injuries, barely taking note of the odd and annoying music in the background. He followed the accelerating arguments between teens and their parents until= he reached the display where the rock group was performing. = The group was loud, and their music offensive, although Clark found it difficult to make out any of the words. It was mostly comprised of long haired teenagers, all grouped around a little figure of a man that Clark couldn't see clearly. Moving closer, and rising slightly above the= crowd, he finally got a glimpse of the imp, and took a quickly indrawn breath as he realized that this impression was completely accurate. Mxyzptlk was hovering slightly above the stage in a "seated" position wit= h his legs crossed. His arms were stretched up to the sky, accepting the worship of the teens with a radiant expression on his face. "Mxyzptlk!" Clark exclaimed, his memory of a particularly bad Christmas leaping into his mind. The imp glared at him. "Mr. Mxyzptlk, if you don't mind!" he replied in an exasperated tone. "I don't think my followers will tolerate any disrespect." Superman looked at the group surrounding him-- frantic teenagers who look= ed as if they were searching for a fight. They had done considerable damage= to this center section of the Mall, having torn up displays and overturne= d trash cans in their desire to be nearer their leader. He considered his options briefly, everything from bodily carrying out their leader to taki= ng the teens home individually, before he finally opted to try reason. "Why are you here?" he asked the imp. He levitated into the air, and Mxyzptlk followed him to the location high above the crowd as his followe= rs cheered below. "I'm here to take over your world," Mxyzptlk answered quickly. "Last tim= e I wasn't quite smart enough about this... I tried the whole world at once= . = This time, I plan to do things more carefully. First the kids, then thei= r parents. Soon, they will all worship me." He smiled radiantly as the tee= ns showered him with their attention, then he glared at Clark. "And, you ar= e not going to send me back," he said firmly. "You'll have enough problems= of your own to deal with, Daddy." In an instant, Clark realized that Mxyzptlk must be behind what was happening with Laura. While he was a reasonable man, he had never been able to remain calm when his family was threatened. He lunged forward to= grab the imp, and was rewarded with an explosion of glitter and paper fragments exploding in his face, even as the being magically disappeared.= Clark found himself hovering above the stage, covered in sparkling silver glitter, and facing an angry mob of teenagers who were not happy about having their leader dispatched. He descended to the stage, and fac= ed the teens. As they moved towards him in a threatening manner, Clark heard= the familiar voice. "If you think the twos are terrible, just wait until= you see what comes next!" ********** Two hours later, a very tired Clark returned to the townhouse. He was thoroughly exhausted by the multiple trips to many homes he had made.= = He knew that the children weren't really at fault for what was happening,= and while he knew it took longer, he had tried to deal with the near riot= so as not to hurt anyone. Fortunately, Mxyzptlk's departure had allowed the group hysteria to fade, and he was able to get the teens to their hom= es with a minimum of police intervention. Clark greeted his mother briefly, then floated up the stairs to check on the daughter he had left sleeping. He sucked in a quick breath when he s= aw her, a child of around five, sleeping on the crib mattress which had been= relocated to the floor. Now, more than before, he was certain that this was the handiwork of a certain mischievous little imp. = Clark resolved that he and Lois would not give up until things were back to normal. They had been through too much to get their daughter back to let an interdimensional being take her away from them. The knowledge that this was not a natural occurrence reassured him somewhat. Even though she was aging at an unnatural rate, he was fairly confident that if he could get rid of the imp, he could get things back t= o normal. Oddly enough, this was far easier to deal with emotionally than the possibility that the aging might be permanent. He shook his head, laughing slightly. It was truly a strange life when magic was easier to accept than reality. Once he had assured himself that his daughter was fine, for the circumstances anyway, he said a quick goodbye to his mother and headed fo= r the Planet. He found his wife on the phone, quizzing the Police Chief on= the events of the day. He grabbed two cups of coffee, one for himself an= d one for Lois, and walked over to her desk just as she was hanging up the phone. He set both cups of coffee on her desk as he allowed her a moment to put her thoughts into notes on the notepad, then asked her what the conversation had been about even though he had a good idea. "Well, I was just getting the Police Chief's agreement that something odd= is going on. Apparently, Superman just returned his son home. Michael was involved in the same riot that the rest of the kids started at the Mall." With a gentle smile, she touched her husband's arm. "Superman mu= st be exhausted after taking home all of those kids to keep them out of trouble." His smile acknowledged her understanding. "It wouldn't have been nearly as bad if the kids had wanted to go." The truth was, most of the teens had been returned amidst kicking and screaming tantrums, and had he not been invulnerable, he would be sporting more than a few bruises and bites. Children could certainly be unreasonable when provoked. Lois nodded, then added a few more notes to her pad. "The police chief feels that someone is inciting the riots, a leader of some sort. It's hi= s thought that if we can identify the cause, and take that one person out, then we should be able to regain some control over the youth." Clark nodded in agreement, but something in his expression was unconvincing. "What is it, what aren't you telling me?" Lois asked him with concern. "I found the leader," he answered her. "And he pretty much admitted that= his intent is to take over the world, beginning with the kids." Lois stood quickly. "So, let's go get him," she announced quickly. "It's not that easy," he told her. "We need to talk a minute." He glanced around, and saw that the conference room was vacant. He led his wife to the room and guided her inside, closing the door behind them. = Clark took a moment to collect his thoughts. It seemed ironic to him that they should discuss this here, in the conference room. This was the= very room in which they had battled the imp once before. Clark dismissed= the random thought, and turned to face his wife, who was waiting patientl= y. "Lois, remember that little man from the other dimension? The guy we had= to send back by having him say his name backwards... Mxyzptlk?" he asked her. Lois recalled the particular Christmas quite well, although her memories of the interdimensional villain were rather sketchy. "I remember," she answered him. With a sigh, Clark told her with finality, "He's back." Lois absorbed the information for a moment before asking, "Is he what's happening to Laura, too?" "I think so," Clark responded. "I mean, it certainly fits, and he all but said that he was responsible. Yes, I'm sure he is. We have to send him back." "Any ideas on how to do that?" she asked him. Somehow, knowing that this= imp was affecting their daughter made it a little harder to deal with him= , and yet it made it more urgent. Clark considered for a moment, then walked over to place his hands on Lois's shoulders. "Not one," he said quietly. "Yet." She nodded, sensing his frustration. "Then we need to get one." Perry chose that moment to come through the conference room door. "I kne= w I'd find the two of you in here," he blustered. "This is the biggest sto= ry to hit the news since the Beatles, and my top reporters are hiding in her= e. What have you got for me?" Clark kept his hands on his wife's shoulders as he gave Perry an edited version of what he had seen. He threw in a couple of Superman quotes, and made sure to leave out any references to Superman being calle= d "Daddy" in front of the mob. "So, if we can eliminate the lead singer," Clark concluded, "We should be= able to stop the teenagers from congregating." Perry thought a moment, then asked, "Any clue where this guy came from? = I mean, no one had heard of him a week ago, and now he's got his music on= every station and every kid I know about has his CDs." Clark looked at Lois for help, and she answered Perry quickly. "You know, Chief, the sales distribution in the music industry is awfully fast= . Sometimes, it almost seems... magic." Perry mumbled his agreement with the statement. "Well, it looks like Clark has the mall story nailed. Lois, why don't you start a sidebar on the truancy problem. According to LNN, the high schools have been vacant= for the last two days. Can't believe you let them scoop us on that." With a shake of his head, Perry turned to leave. Just before he left the room, he turned back to the couple. "Hey, where's that baby of your= s? I moved heaven and earth to get that daycare center up and running, and you didn't even drop off my favorite little junior reporter." Lois couldn't help but smile. She and Clark had indeed pressed for the center to open sooner, rather than later. She had no doubt that they had= made Perry's life a little difficult until the center was up and running.= = After weeks of complaints and arguments about everything from staffing to= security measures, Lois and Clark had gladly been the first to sign in their daughter. The daycare center had been in full operation for more than three weeks, and this was the first day Laura had missed. Despite a few minor adjustment problems, Laura had easily adapted to her new caregivers. She= was a good baby, after all, and she seemed happy anywhere that she was shown love. In addition, she was somewhat of a celebrity after her parent's activism in creating the center, and she delighted in the attention. Lois had adjusted more easily to the demands of working full days than sh= e had expected. She was able to drop in and see Laura a couple of times ea= ch day, and even managed to slip in to nurse. She missed some aspects of working at home, and they had been late to work more than once due to the= complications of sharing morning responsibilities and juggling Superman's= demand, but in general they were handling the new circumstances with thei= r usual resilience. She had known Perry had been slipping downstairs to the Planet's new daycare center to peek in at the kids, but she had hoped he wouldn't noti= ce Laura's absence. "She was running a little fever this morning, and we we= re afraid she might be contagious, so we left her with Clark's mother." Perry nodded in understanding. "Anything serious?" he asked, worry touching his voice. "Just a cold," Clark replied, hoping he wouldn't push for more informatio= n. Perry nodded once more. "Hope she's feeling better soon, she's the prettiest one in the group." With a brief smile, he left the room, closi= ng the door behind him. "Well, let's try to get some work done," Lois told her husband. "I have a feeling Superman's going to be awfully busy, so we need to use what tim= e you have." Clark nodded his agreement, and began to follow his wife from the conference room. As she opened the door, she got an odd expression on he= r face. He looked at her quizzically, and was rewarded with her sheepish grin. "I couldn't exactly nurse this morning," she told him quietly. "I used the pump, but it's not the same. I'm a little... uncomfortable." Clark nodded his understanding. "Anything I can do?" Lois shook her head. "I took some Tylenol, and I'll use the pump again when I get home. That will have to do until Laura is back to her usual self." Clark looked at her for a moment, considering what he wanted to say next.= Lois caught his look and shook her head emphatically. "No," she told him firmly. "I'm not going to give this up, yet. If it were Laura's decision, or mine, then I might consider it, but I'm not going to let tha= t creature take this away from us." Clark kissed his wife gently on her forehead, not the least bit surprised= that she was willing to fight for this. She did everything with her whol= e heart, whether it was her reporting or her mothering, and she let nothing= stand in her way. That was part of the reason he had fallen in love with= her. Giving her a reassuring squeeze on the shoulder, he guided her from= the conference room and shut the door behind them. ********** Lois had not overestimated Superman's demand for the day. As she had feared, the impact of the imp was beginning to make itself felt in the city. Superman was instrumental in stopping several small riots of teenagers. = Each time, he arrived too late to actually see the teen's leader, if indeed Mxyzptlk had actually been present. No teenager in the city seeme= d to be immune to the effects of the music. The schools were deserted, and= there was no way for the truant officers to keep up. The music itself seemed to incite violence, and the teens appeared to take joy in ransacki= ng the city. Lois spent her day at the Planet, trying to keep up with Clark's call-ins= of the city's turn of events. Always, there was an accompanying quote >from Superman and a continued frustration with not being able to either locate or eliminate the imp. After Clark's third call of the morning, Lois decided to call home and check on Laura. A breathless Jonathan answered the phone. "Hello, Lane-Kent residence... Wait Sweetie, Grandpa is talking on the phone." = Lois could hear her daughter laughing voice, "Hurry Grandpa, I want to play horsey again. This time we gotta go fast. Faster than choo-choo train." Jonathan heard the person on the telephone chuckle. "She's got you wrapped around her little finger, hmmm." = "A place I gladly want to be. Lois, this sweet baby girl has made both m= e and Martha feel 20 years younger today. She is a joy to behold. Clark h= ad her same curiosity at this age. He wanted to know everything, and she's just the same way." "Who you talking to Grandpa? Do I know them? Is it Mommy? Is it my Daddy?" Without saying another word to Lois, she could hear Jonathan ask her daughter, "Why don't you find out for yourself, Ms. Inquisitive." = Laura, giggled as she took the phone. "Grandpa, my name's Laura, not Ms. Inquissizy." Imitating her grandfather, Laura took the phone. "Hello, Lane-Kent residences. Who is this?" = Lois was amazed at the level of love just the sound of the child's voice brought her. A tear formed in her eye as she thought of what had been taken from her baby. She cleared her throat and wiped her eyes befo= re anyone could see or hear her. "It's, Mommy. Pumpkin. You being a good girl for Grandma and Grandpa?" She kept her voice low, and looked around= her to ensure that no one was listening to the conversation. This would = be a little hard for her to explain. "Mommmmmy! It's my Mommy, Grandpa! Oh Mommy, me is being very good." = "No, no... Its *I* am being good." = "Okay," a little voice said. "Me is glad you are being good too." = This made Lois laugh out loud. "Oh, Laura. What have you been doing all morning?" Lois sat back in her chair and listened as her daughter told of her morning's activities. Laura told of everything she had done in the last few hours. "You know what I liked the bestest of all?" she finally asked.= "What's that, Pumpkin?" "It's you calling me and talking on this telephone. I like talking on the telephone. Will you call and talk to me again? It's almost like havi= ng you here with me." Lois again felt a love as strong as the one she felt for Clark build in her. "Sweetie, you know I will. Talking to you has been the best part o= f my day, too." = "Mommy, Grandma wants to talk to you. She said to tell you not to hang up= . What's hang up, mean?" = "That means she wants you to give her the phone. Mommy and Daddy love you, Baby. Bye-bye." = "No Baby! I big girl now. Love you, Mommy. Bye-bye." Martha took the phone as Laura ran towards her grandfather. "Horsy Time, Horsy Time." Lois could hear a gale of laughter come from Laura as= she envisioned Jonathan parading around their living room and dining room= being Laura's horsy. "Hi, Honey. Have you or Clark found out anything yet?" = "Nothing yet, Martha. Clark has called a few times telling me where he's= been looking, and I can hear the frustration grow each time he's called. = I can't tell you how much I appreciate you taking care of Laura. I am both= relieved and just a little jealous at the same time. I wish Clark and I could be with her." "I know, Honey. Jonathan and I are having the time of our lives with this young lady of yours. She is so special, Lois. I think both of us will sleep well tonight. She's kept us hopping today. But, I can see sh= e is winding down. I think a nap will be in order." = Lois nodded as her mother-in-law spoke. "Thank you again for all you've done. Laura isn't the only one who is special in this family." "Honey, we love you all more than life itself. We're here whenever you ne= ed or want us. That's what families are for." For the ten thousandth time, Lois said a prayer of thanks for this wonderful woman who she had learned to love nearly as much as her son did= . "Martha..." = "Not a word more. Don't worry about Laura. She's safe and sound. You and Clark find out what or who caused this." "We will Martha, we will...I will call again later if I can get the chance." "Okay, Dear. Take care. Bye." "Bye, Martha. Tell Laura we love her." = "I will, Honey. Don't worry. Lois was still smiling when she hung up the phone. She sobered when she faced her notes on Clark's last phone call. With a grimace, she took a s= ip of her cold coffee, and settled in at her computer. It was going to be a= long day. It was quite late when Lois finally asked to go home. Perry was accommodating, assuring her that he would hold any further messages f= or her, and that no one would scoop her on this story. Gratefully using her daughter's "illness" as an excuse to go, Lois said goodnight to Perry and quickly drove home. She wondered if she woul= d be in time to see her daughter, or if Martha and Jonathan would have already put her to bed. She arrived at the townhouse in time to join her= in-laws for a late dinner. She tried not to look too shocked when she sa= w her own daughter. (continued in part 3) !^NavFont02F3C7D0008MGHH3C7FD42A ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:30:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: NEW FANFIC ALERT: S6/Hypergirl Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mr. Mxyzptlk is back in town, with plans to distract Superman -- and what could be more distracting than a teenager? Especially one with superpowers? It's a fun & frantic Valentine's Day for Lois & Clark..= . Join us for "Hypergirl" by Crystal Wimmer (with an assist from Annie Lansbury). (I apologize for not posting this yesterday as planned; there were a few small mixups behind the scenes) And as always, remember that there's a multi-media version (well, with pictures anyway, and a very special guest star this week ) on the= web -- = http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ Enjoy :-) !^NavFont02F01F10007MGHHHF3AF2D ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:31:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: NEW S6: Hypergirl (3/5) Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 SEASON 6/EPISODE 5 -- HYPERGIRL (3/5) Laura appeared to be around ten or eleven years old. Jonathan explained that she had awakened this way after her nap earlier in the day. It appeared that most of her growth occurred when she was sleeping, so they hadn't really encouraged her to lay down for the night. "Hi, Mama," Laura said as her mother approached the table. "Hi, Pumpkin." Lois did her best to steel herself from the shock and worry that was beginning to overwhelm her. She heard the strained sound o= f her own voice, and tried to remain calm. "Mama, what's the matter?" Laura's hand, now the twice the size of hours before, touched her mother's cheek. "Laura doesn't want Mama to be= sad. Mama smile for Laura." Lois kissed the palm of her daughter and was amazed that it still smelled= like the same little hand of her baby of the night before. "Sweetie, I could never be sad when I am with you. You and Daddy are my source of laughter and love." The small girl moved her hand across Lois's cheek. "We know, Mama. We both know." For an instant Lois froze as another moment in time came back to her......Superman standing before her as she told him..."If anything should happen to me, tell Clark I love him." Lois was drawn back to the present. "Mama, are you hungry? Laura is very hungry." = At that moment Martha came into the dining room carrying a tray. She placed a plate in front both mother and daughter. "Now I don't want eith= er of you to leave this table until that food is all gone. You both need to= eat." Lois watched as Laura picked up her fork and began to eat the mashed potatoes on the plate. It wasn't until she tried to eat the chicken next= to them that Lois took her fork and knife and begin to cut up the chicken= for her. "Mama, eat too?" Laura said, with her mouth full. "Yes, I'm going to eat, too. I'm very hungry." "She's quite a talker," Jonathan said quietly. "She seems to pick up a new word every minute. She uses most of them correctly as well. I've never seen anything like it." For the remainder of the meal the adults chatted as they tried not to watch Laura eat. The child managed to empty three plates before she slowed, astounding the adults who were caring for her. "I have to say this much for her she has her father's love for food," Martha said. "She's eaten everything I've given her today without being picky." "That's good to hear," Lois added. "I was concerned about how she would take to solid foods, but I see there haven't been any problems." Martha and Jonathan smiled at each other. "Well, there was one little problem this afternoon just after she woke from her nap." = Jonathan leaned forward on the table as he looked at his granddaughter. = "This young lady has got herself one big sweet tooth. She discovered a drawer full of chocolate bars, cookies and brownies and before we knew wh= at she was into she ate the lot." "When we realized what she had done, all she said was, 'More, please'," Martha added. They all chuckled as Laura looked at them and smiled. "I guess the leaf doesn't fall far from the tree where chocolate is concerned." All the adults looked at Laura and burst out laughing. "Where did you hear that, Pumpkin?" Lois asked with a smile. "I heard Grandpa and Grandma say that when I ate the goodies." "Well, Honey, in your case you get it from both sides of your family tree," Martha said. Lois leaned forward and kissed Laura. = Laura giggled. "Love you Mama." = "Love you more, Baby." "I'm not a Baby! I am a big girl." = "Yes, Honey, you keep telling me that, but it's hard for me to believe that you're getting so big. Now, you finish your dinner." I'm tired, Mama," Laura said, after they had finished with dinner. "I wanna sleep, now." With a sigh, Lois stood, and walked over to her daughter. She stroked the long hair, nearly to the girl's waist, and closed her eyes to prevent= the tears that threatened. She was as afraid of what would happen during= the child's sleep as Clark's parents were. "Okay, Honey. I'll take you upstairs," she finally said with resignation= . Lois held Laura's hand as they ascended the stairs. She couldn't believe= how coordinated the child had become in a matter of hours. Still, Laura did seem very tired, and Lois didn't want to risk her falling. Lois brushed out Laura's hair, and braided it quickly down the back to ke= ep it out of her face in the night. Then, she dressed her in one of Clark's T-shirts and settled her into a sleeping bag on the nursery floor= . = Laura was already too tall for the crib mattress, and they hadn't had tim= e to make other arrangements. She sat with Laura long enough for the girl to fall asleep, then finally let the tears that she had been holding back all day fall. She was still= sitting there, stroking her daughter's hair, when Clark joined her. = Clark did his best not to show the shock that he felt in seeing his child= so grown up. He could see that Lois was having enough difficulty with the situation, and he didn't want to worry her any further. He was completely exhausted, both physically and mentally, but he had finally decided to let the police take over. The stress of worrying abou= t his daughter had combined with the activities of the day to make him as tired as he had been following several natural disasters. He touched Lois's shoulder gently, and was slightly startled when she turned to him and he saw the silent trails of tears on her face. Lifting her gently, he carried her from the room and into their bedroom. "Mom's going to finish the dishes, then they're going to bed," he told he= r. "I guess they aren't as energetic after baby-sitting as they used to be.= " "I guess she's quite a handful," Lois answered quietly. She rested a moment, then went about preparing for bed. Clark didn't press her. He kn= ew that she needed time to collect herself. When she finally spoke, her voi= ce was stronger. "If we take out the leprechaun, Laura should go back to normal, right?" Clark smiled at her wording. "That's the plan." "How's the rest of the world holding up?" she asked him. "I see you came home. Is it any better?" Clark sighed as he turned back the covers on the bed. "No," he answered.= = "I finally decided to let the police take over. We can straighten out al= l the legal stuff later, and with their own kids involved, most of the poli= ce are being pretty lenient. I don't think any of the kids will get hurt. = They don't seem violent towards the police, just property." Lois nodded her understanding. She had seen the creases around his eyes,= and she could practically feel his fatigue. Even Superman needed rest wh= en he was under this type of stress. She knew he was probably here for her,= as much as for himself, but she didn't question it. She merely climbed i= n bed next to him, and allowed him to pull her close. "Mom said she was walking and talking," he whispered quietly. "I knew I'd miss a few milestones when I was working, but this is ridiculous." Lois laughed slightly, trying desperately to see the humor in the situation. "She looks more like you every minute." He smiled against her, hugging her to him. "We're going to get this straightened out. I know it. We always do." Lois nodded, allowing herself to drift to sleep, her head pillowed on her husband's chest. She said a silent prayer that things would be bette= r in the morning. ********** Breakfast was tense in the Kent household. Gathered around the table, the adults discussed what to do about the situation that faced them, whil= e a teenaged Laura watched them with interest. Laura was nearly as tall as Lois, now. Her brown hair was still braided down her back, and reached nearly to her knees. Her face was a reflectio= n of her mother's in it's cheekbones and lips, yet she had her father's lon= g eyelashes and earnest expression. Martha continually looked from Laura t= o her parents and back again, astounded at the blending that was present in= the girl's features. = "I'm going to have to take off work," Lois said with finality. "I'm afra= id if I go anywhere she'll be older than I am when I get back." "Lois, Perry is upset enough that I called in sick. Superman is needed, and I don't have much of a choice. We have to get this guy sent back to his own world so that we can have our daughter back." "Clark is right, Dear. We can stay with Laura," Martha put in. = "She's certainly easier to handle today than she was yesterday." "There," Clark said firmly. "They can stay with Laura and you can go to work." "I'm staying here," Lois said as she stood. "It's perfectly acceptable f= or me to stay home when my daughter is sick. Even more so if you're sick as= well, which is what you told Perry. It's settled." Laura stood quickly, glaring at the adults around the table. "I'm not a baby!" she shouted. "You don't have to baby-sit me, and you don't have= to talk about me like I'm not here!" With that, she turned and ran up th= e stairs to her room, taking them two at a time. Martha looked after her, and had trouble stifling a giggle. She had look= ed so much like Lois when she'd stormed off that the effect had been comical= . Martha's laughter was brought to an abrupt halt when they heard the unmistakable sound of wood breaking. Clark was the first to make it to the top of the stairs. He faced his daughter, who looked more surprised than he was. She was holding a door in her hand, supporting its entire weight with the strength of her hand on the doorknob. The door had clearly been torn from its hinges in her anger. Her shocked brown eyes met those of her father, and he thought he saw a touch of fear there as well. He turned to see the equally shocked expression on his wife's face, and the quick understanding in the expressions of his parents. It seemed that Mxyzptlk wasn't the only problem they would have to deal with today. ********** Perry wasn't happy that both of his star reporters were out, but he dealt= with the situation with a minimum of yelling. Lois had no difficulty convincing her in-laws that she could be of benefit once Laura had shown that her powers would soon equal that of her father. The morning had been a frustrating experience for everyone involved. = Laura had been more than a handful. She had burned a hole in the counter= top while heating a snack, broken several pieces of furniture during a minor temper tantrum when she couldn't find anything on television that s= he wanted to watch, and shredded three pairs of Lois's jeans to make them lo= ok like the more stylish clothing she had seen in an advertisement. Lois had finally resorted to a trip to the local mall to calm the girl. = She knew she would have to find her some clothes that were "acceptable", = or she would lose her entire wardrobe of casual clothing. After a lengthy discussion on the necessity of controlling her powers, they drove to the = Northern Metropolis shopping mall. Lois tried to avoid the groups of teenagers that congregated throughout the building, but her success was limited. Laura, too, was drawn to the speakers that played a rather course form of music. Still, she managed to distract the teen from the music with a combination= of frozen yogurt and shopping. She hoped that Clark wouldn't be too angr= y about the damage she was doing to the budget, but it wasn't as if Laura could wear any of her baby clothes and Lois wasn't willing to sacrifice a= ny more of her own clothing to the current teenage fashion trends. The single time that Lois drew the line was when Laura began to circle a leather mini-skirt that would have looked more appropriate on a Hollywood street corner than a Metropolis High School. "Absolutely not," Lois told her quickly. "And, that's the end of the discussion." "But, it would be so cool!" Laura exclaimed. "I bet you'd look really go= od in it, too." Lois looked the skirt over once more and had to smile. She had worn something similar during one of their undercover assignments, and she had= looked more than good. Clark had ironically told her that it was a "killer" outfit just after their assignment had died in front of them. = Still, it wasn't an appropriate piece of clothing for a teenager, and the= price tag was prohibitive even if the style had not been. "Not a chance," she answered, once more. "Your father would kill us both= ." Laura whined a moment more, but was soon attracted to a colorful display of tie-dyed T-shirts and her attention was quite thoroughly diverted. = Lois sighed in relief as she followed Laura to the display. "These are so pretty," the young girl exclaimed. "They're the newest style!" Lois smiled secretively, thinking it best not to inform the girl that this particular style had been around since her own childhood. The color= s were bright and cheerful, and the style would cover her more thoroughly than the skirt she had just left, so Lois considered it a fair trade. Sh= e grimaced slightly as she looked at the price tag, though. She didn't remember "style" being so expensive when she had been a teenager. So thi= s was what her mother had been complaining about. They managed to make it through the majority of the day with little difficulty. After a brief lunch in the food court, at which time Laura consumed most of a pepperoni pizza, they began to make their way ou= t of the mall. Lois was just beginning to congratulate herself on her success in redirecting Laura's attention, when the annoying music which had been on the loud speakers became suddenly louder. Lois turned in time to see the= youth around her walking towards the center of the mall where a group of musicians were playing on a small stage. Seeing that Laura was slipping away from her, Lois moved quickly to intercept her daughter. What seemed to be hundreds of teenagers were gathered about the stage. = Their arms were stretched heavenward as they chanted to a little man who was dressed as cupid on the stage. The man was seated in the air, skinny= arms crossed over his naked chest. He was wearing a white diaper, and he= held a red bow and arrow in his hands. His face was radiant with the adoration he was receiving. Laura moved quickly to the front of the group of teens. Her hands raised towards him, reaching for the being, as she chanted something incoherent with the rest of the group. Lois fought her way to the front of the crowd, and firmly grabbed her daughter. The rest of the group was too involved in their worship to= notice the mild scuffle, and Laura was too indignant to remember that she= had enough strength to pull away if she really wanted to. Lois directed the screaming teen towards the doors of the mall, then out into the parking garage. With a great deal of screaming and yelling, she= managed to get her daughter into the car, and then she got behind the wheel. The drive home seemed far longer than the drive to the mall had been. "I can't believe the way you embarrassed me," Laura was still going on. = "None of the other kids were being hauled out by their parents." "You aren't one of the other kids!" Lois yelled back. "You're my kid, an= d I won't have you in the middle of a mob." "It wasn't a mob," the teen insisted. "We were just listening to the music." "You were worshipping someone you know nothing about!" "We know a lot about him," she insisted. "You can't know anything about this... you've only been a teenager for a few hours!" "I'm not stupid!" Laura yelled, unable to argue with this particular bit of logic, and yet unwilling to concede the battle to her mother. They completed the ride in stilted silence, with Lois having no clue how she had lost control of the situation, or what to do about it. Once they had arrived home, Laura ran into the townhouse and up the stair= s to her room. Lois followed more slowly, feeling older and more tired tha= n she ever had. Seeing Martha in the doorway with a sympathetic smile was = a balm for her ego, and gave her the strength to explain. "I guess we had an argument," she offered with a small smile. "Get used to them," Martha replied with a huge grin. "The older she gets= , the bigger the fights will be." ********** Lois was unaware that she had removed Laura from a volatile situation only moments before the true explosion took place. The youth that had been chanting had gone completely out of the realm of reason, and had don= e their best to destroy the mall. Trash cans were turned over, glass was shattered, and most of the adults were sent cowering into the stores, fearing for their lives. Superman once more found himself cleaning up the mess, and trying to minimize the violence. Once more, he hauled indignant children to their homes, leaving them in the care of frustrated and confused parents. He considered letting the police collect them all, but even Metropolis didn'= t have the facilities for handling this number of offenders. Finally, with the worst offenders in jail and the rest in their homes, Superman consulted with the police chief. "I don't know how to thank you for all you've done," the man said, wiping= the sweat from his brow and then returning his hat to his head. "We never could've regained control without hurting someone." Clark nodded his acceptance of the thanks. "I'll do some quick cleaning in the mall. I'll get the glass cleaned up and the shops secured, but I really think that you should consider closing the mall until we have the situation more under control." The Chief nodded, agreeing with the idea. "You're right. This is the second major disturbance in less than two days, so I don't think we can risk it again." Clark nodded, and then did as he said. He cleaned up most of the mess le= ft by the youth, then secured the doors of each store. Just as he was locki= ng the electronics store, he saw one of the big screen televisions come on. = He stepped closer, wondering what was happening, as Mxyzptlk appeared in the screen. He was once more dressed as Cupid, complete with his diaper, requisite bow, and arrow tipped with a red heart. "Can't you just feel the love," = he said with a sigh. Clark stepped towards the screen just as Mxyzptlk materialized from it, and became what appeared to be solid matter. Hopping off his seat in the= air, he stepped towards the super hero. "I'm just glad your daughter has= better fashion sense than you do." "You leave Laura out of this," Clark said loudly. = Mxyzptlk shook his head in mock dismay. "Can't do that, Sups," he said brightly. "She's all part of the plan. I'm going to rule the world= , and she's going to be at my side while I do it." "You will never rule this world," Clark said firmly. "I won't let you." Mxyzptlk laughed with mirth. "Of course you will. Not only that, but you'll help me every step of the way." "I don't think so," Clark answered firmly. With a wink, Mxyzptlk replied, "I do. In fact, I think I could use my own caped superhero to represent me to the public." He looked pointedly = at Clark, taking in the blue tights and red cape. "But, I plan to stay away= >from primary colors. Far too plain for what I have in mind." Clark stepped forward once more, attempting to grasp the imp. He found himself once more showered in glitter, and watching a bouquet of re= d and white balloons ascend to the sky. (continued in part 4) !^NavFont02F3D040007MGHH3DL9B6E ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:31:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: NEW S6: Hypergirl (5/5) Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 SEASON 6/EPISODE 5 -- HYPERGIRL (5/5) ********** It took Clark until the next morning to get his plan put into motion. He= made a call to the printing department in the Daily Planet, and explained= what he needed. With a laugh, the head of the department promised to do what was required, and have it available within the hour. Lois was both pleased and relieved to hear that Laura was doing well, but= she was somewhat concerned that her daughter still hadn't come home. "She's going to help us send him back," Clark explained. "He wouldn't trust us to do it, I'm sure of it. He trusts her." "Do you trust her?" Lois asked skeptically. "She hasn't exactly been a model teenager, lately." "She has a good heart," Clark said after some thought. "I trust her. Besides, she's our daughter." Lois nodded, then went upstairs to change. As she passed by Laura's room= , she couldn't help but step in. She walked over to the dressing table, an= d trailed her fingertips across the smooth wood. Then, opening the large closet, she touched the crib that they had stored there a few days before= . Clark found her there, quietly touching the furniture in their daughter's room. He gently took her into his arms, holding her close, as= a single tear slipped down her cheek. "I just want her back," she whispered into his ear. "I want my baby back= ." "I know," Clark whispered back. He wished he could give her the confidence that he felt that everything would be okay. He wished he coul= d relay to her the pride he felt in their daughter's honesty and willingnes= s to help. These things were intangible, however, so he merely held his wife, and tried to give her some of his strength to sustain her for the coming day. ********** Laura landed shakily on the ledge. It was so much simpler when her fathe= r did it. She smiled once more to herself. Her father was Superman. That= was probably the coolest thing ever. She sat on the edge to wait for him, swinging her feet before her. She hadn't had a hard time getting away from Mister that morning. His followers were holding a worship session, and he'd been quite involved in= it. Clark landed gingerly on the ledge, holding a paper sack before him. "Did you bring it?" she asked him anxiously. He held up the bag to show her that he had it, then sat down next to her.= "Your mother said to tell you she loves you, and to be careful. She's worried about you." Laura rolled her eyes, but was warmed by the concern of her mother. "Tel= l her I'll be fine. I'm a big girl." Clark nodded as he handed her the package. "I know," he reassured her. = "But Mxyzptlk is a nasty little imp, and I don't trust him." "I know," she answered. "But, you need to trust me." Clark nodded, and reached over to kiss his daughter on the cheek. "If this works, you might not remember this," he told her. "That's okay. You can remind me someday." With a smile, she stood, and slipped on the edge of the ledge. She caught herself in mid-air befo= re she could drop the package, and smiled at the concerned look on her father's face as he reached for her. Shaking her head, she told him, "Still getting used to this flying thing." With that said, she was gone. Clark watched her retreating figure for a moment, and desperately hoped that the plan would work. He had learned= to love the spunky person who was his daughter, and he missed not having seen her grow into that person. With a final sigh, he took off, and flew to meet his wife at the Daily Planet. ********** Laura flew with her package back to the mall. Since its closing, the teens had been using it as a base -- locked doors were no problem for the= ir master, Mr. Mxyzptlk. The food court had plenty to eat, and there was a great variety of clothes to wear. There were many activities to keep the= youth occupied as they ditched school to worship their idol. She removed the paper bag from a large red heart, and went in to find Mister. She found him reclining on a cushion of air. He sat up quickly when he saw her. "Where have you been?" he asked her abruptly. "You haven't been getting into trouble, have you?" "No, Mister," she told him earnestly. "Oh," he replied with clear disappointment. "Then you should. You'd like causing trouble. All the kids like causing trouble." "I went to get you a present," she told him, holding the red box out before her. "It's a valentine for you." "A box," he said, wiping an imaginary tear from his eye. "You got me a box." He looked the package over for a moment before opening the card. = As he began to read, his head snapped up. "This isn't a trick, is it?" Laura shook her head, relying on her innate sense of honesty to get her though this. "The card isn't a trick, Mister. It's from me. It's to thank you for my pretty costume." Cautiously, Mxyzptlk read the card silently. Once satisfied that it held= no tricks, he smiled and read it aloud. "To my favorite Mister, from Laura." Laura smiled radiantly at him as he turned the box over in his hands. = "What do I do with it?" "You open it," she answered him. Separating the cardboard, she revealed a sweet smelling treat hidden in the box. = "Ohhhh..." Mxyzptlk said, as he lifted one of the candies to his nose. = He sniffed it, then licked it lightly, and finally sunk his teeth into th= e fine confection. With a sigh near rapture, he gobbled the chocolates, one after the other.= Only after the box was nearly half empty did he remember Laura was there= . "These are yummy," he declared in a childlike voice. "What are they?" "They're chocolates," she answered him. "I tried to figure out what was in them, but I can't read very well." Mxyzptlk nodded in understanding as he flipped the box over. He grimaced slightly as he began to read the list of what was in the treats.= = "Chocolate, sugar, cocoa butter, whole milk powder, cocoa mass, refined hydrogenated coconut oil, lactic... umm... lecithin, monosodium gluti- glutamate, kltpzyxm, and other natural flavors." With satisfaction, he completed the list and looked up. "Natural flavors= ," he said again as a pale cloud of glitter began to form around him. His confused look was quickly replaced by fury as he realized what he had sai= d. Kltpzyzm... his own name backwards. He was going back. "That's not fair!" he shouted indignantly. "You tricked me again, you little brat!" "I guess I did," she answered, backing away from the swirling mass of glitter. "But you're just a kid!" he yelled as his body was sucked into oblivion. "I'm my father's daughter," she answered him, quietly. But she doubted that he had heard her. The glitter enveloped him, and th= en it faded away. ********** Clark flew into the mall as soon as he saw the brightness through a windo= w. He entered in time to see the glitter envelop Mxyzptlk and pull him back= to the fifth dimension. He wondered briefly what kind of power must be necessary to cause such a shift in the dimensions, and how Mxyzptlk had found that much power to enter the third dimension in the first place, bu= t he decided that he would never truly know. Just as the being dissolved, the glitter was replaced with a flash of light. He shaded his eyes from the momentary glare, and when he looked ba= ck it was to see his daughter lying on the floor with the costume draped ove= r her tiny body. Carefully, he lifted the baby into his arms, and closed his eyes for a moment as the emotions washed over him. He draped the costume over one arm, and wrapped the cape around Laura. "Yes, Honey. You are your father's daughter," he whispered gently against her forehead. = With that, he quickly flew her home. He knew Lois would be as anxious to= see her as he had been, and he didn't want to keep her waiting. ********** Lois smiled at the bouquet of two dozen roses that had found their way to= her desk when she wasn't looking. She glanced past their profusion of color and scent to see her husband walking towards her desk. Clark knelt down as he reached her and rested his crossed arms on her des= k. "Happy Valentine's Day, Sweetheart." Lois smiled back at him. "I guess this wasn't exactly like we planned it," she said with chagrin. "So much for Paris." Clark reached over her to grasp the copy of the Daily Planet that Perry had just dropped off to her. "MYSTERIOUS IMP BANISHED BY SUPERMAN" led the headlines, and he couldn't help but smile. "I think it was a productive day," he said quietly, reading the smaller print below the headline that declared, "Hypergirl vanishes without a trace." "It was pure genius to have his name printed backwards in the ingredients list," Lois told him with a touch of pride. "Joe in printing owed me a favor," he said lightly. "And Laura could charm the socks off just about anybody." "I kind of miss her," Lois said. "She was an amazing person." "She still is," Clark replied. "And she'll get better by the day. I'm just glad we'll be there for all of it, this time around." Lois nodded absently before looking up at her husband. "I want to go home= ." Clark smiled his understanding and left her to find Perry. He did so a few moments later, and he confronted the editor with his request. "Let me get this straight," Perry said, his voice slightly gruff. "You two have been off work half the week, and now you want to take the afternoon off as well? Why, I got better work out of Jimmy with his Hypergirl story." Perry laughed a moment before adding, "Couldn't let hi= m write up the part about her being Superman's kid, though. If she had bee= n, she wouldn't have disappeared when they sent that thing back where it cam= e from." Clark shuffled his feet. He had never been a very good liar, so he tried= to stay as close to the truth as possible. "We've been pretty worried about Laura, and Lois hasn't been sleeping. We want to make sure that she's okay." It was indeed close to the truth. After he had brought Lau= ra home the night before, he and Lois had spent the night in bed, holding th= e baby between them, just grateful to have her back. The time he had spent watching his wife nurse in their bed was a time he would always treasure, moreso because he had feared never to experience i= t again. Lois, too, had seemed to sense the magic of the night and neither= of them had slept until the wee morning hours. Perry's gruff demeanor softened slightly at the mention of his favorite little girl. He had missed seeing the baby in the Center downstairs, and= was looking forward to her return in the next few days. He was fairly confident that his star reporters didn't realize how much time he spent down there, and he intended to keep it that way. They walked over him quite enough without knowing that his weakness was their daughter. Still= , this particular Sunday afternoon was relatively quiet in the aftermath of= the big story, and he didn't need them here. "Get out of here," he finally told the reporter. "And don't let me see you two here again until Tuesday morning." Clark smiled, glad to have the day off. "Thanks, Chief." Perry mumbled slightly as he turned to leave, unwilling to let Clark see the mirth in his eyes. He understood a couple's need to be alone on Valentine's Day... but they didn't have to know that. Seeing Clark on hi= s way back to his wife, Perry headed to the telephone. Maybe he would give= Alice a call and see if the flowers had arrived, he thought. Alice had always loved roses... ********** Lois and Clark entered the townhouse together. They were charmed by the sight that met them, Jonathan bouncing Laura on his legs while Martha warmed a bottle on the stove. = "I'll take care of that," Lois said quickly, relieving her father-in-law of the fussy baby, and heading upstairs to the bedroom to nurse. She had= missed this, and she was enjoying making up for lost time. Clark met her upstairs a few moments later. "Mom and Dad said to tell you `Happy Valentine's Day', and that they had dinner reservations for five-thirty, so they wouldn't be hanging around." Lois looked up in disappointment. "I didn't mean to run out on them," she said quickly. Clark kissed her on the cheek before spinning into a pair of black jeans and a black T-shirt. Lois looked up at him appreciatively. "They know that," Clark told her. "They figured we could use some bonding time after the past few days." Lois couldn't help but agree. She finished nursing Laura, and then they walked together to the nursery to lay her down. The older Kents had= spent the morning restoring the room to its previous condition, complete with clean sheets on the crib. The bed that Lois had taken such pains to= locate was neatly made with colorful sheets and pushed into a corner of t= he room. It took a moment of patting Laura's back to settle her down once she was placed in the crib, but she was soon sleeping peacefully. With a hea= vy sigh, Lois turned to walk from the room. She gasped lightly when Clark scooped her into his arms and flew her down the stairs. "You're getting pretty good at that," she told him with a smile. "My pleasure," he answered quietly. He sat next to her on the couch, and= they argued briefly over which video to watch before finally settling on "The Princess Bride." As the opening credits began to play, Lois allowed her eyes to drift over= to the roses she had carried in earlier and placed on the coffee table. = It was still a little early to fix dinner, but she imagined they would make = a lovely center piece during the meal. Clark watched her gaze, and gently put his arm around her. "I'm sorry we couldn't make Paris," he told her quietly. Lois shook her head. "I'd rather be here," she told him honestly. "Any place we're together is full of romance." Clark smiled, and leaned in to kiss his wife. Her arms came around him, pulling him closer to her as the kiss deepened. All of the relief a= nd love that they each felt was poured into the emotion of the kiss, and a warmth enveloped both of them. Clark had just begun to slide his hands beneath Lois's sweater when he heard the first tiny cry. Closing his eyes tightly, he held his breath a= nd began to count backwards from one thousand. = Lois sensed his withdrawal, and wondered briefly at it's cause. Just then, she heard the quiet whimper of their daughter beginning to drift do= wn the stairway. With a smile, she kissed her husband lightly on the cheek.= = "I'll get her," she said quietly. "After all, they are only babies for a= little while." Clark returned her smile and stood with her, putting his arm around her waist as they headed for the stairs. "We'll get her," he told her in reply. "Because every day is precious." THE END !^NavFont02F2E390007MGHHu3A7B31 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:31:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: NEW S6: Hypergirl (4/5) Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 SEASON 6/EPISODE 5 -- HYPERGIRL (4/5) ********** Laura was laying on her sleeping bag, angry at the world in general. She= knew her mother had a point, but this fact only made her angrier. She reached over to turn up the volume on the radio, and then laid her head back on her arms, letting the rhythm of the music fuel her distress. She wasn't sure what appealed to her about the random sounds of the music= she found on every station. It wasn't the words, for she couldn't clearl= y make them out, but there was a feeling that was undeniable. It made her feel justified in her anger, and peace with her distress. What was more,= her parents hated it, and that was enough of a recommendation for her. She sighed, then rolled over to face the ceiling. She was momentarily startled to see her idol there, the lead singer of the group.= = She sat up quickly, smiling instantly. "You're here!" "Well, of course I'm here. I could tell that you needed a friend, and you know that I'm your friend." Laura nodded enthusiastically, pleased that she had someone to talk to. "What's your name?" "Mxyzptlk. Mr. Mxyzptlk, if you don't mind," he answered her with a smile, descending slowly from the air to take a seat at the foot of her sleeping bag. "How about just Mister?" she asked him with pink tinged cheeks. "Mister will do just fine. You look a little down in the dumps. Let me guess." He began ticking things off on his fingers, as though going through a list. "You're mad at your parents. They don't understand you.= = You don't have any friends. No one cares about you." He regarded her intently for a moment. "Does that sound close?" = "You *do* understand!" she exclaimed. "Of course I understand. I told you I was your friend." "You are my friend," she whispered in a childlike voice. "My only friend= ." Mxyzptlk floated closer to her, and laid a comforting hand on her shoulde= r. "You know," he said casually. "Friends do things for each other." "Do you want me to do something for you?" "Well, I was thinking. I have a lot of things to say to the kids of the world, if I want to rule them that is. Anyway, it's a little hard to= lead them when I'm being adored, so I might be able to use a spokesman. = Someone young and pretty, who can talk to them on their level." Laura smiled brightly. "I could do that!" Mxyzptlk smiled back at her. "Of course you can. That's why I came to you. You'll have to come with me though." Laura looked around the nursery slowly. The room was more than childish.= = It was in disarray from her earlier tantrum, and the door was off the hinges. The crib had been removed the day before, and even the mattress had been pushed back out of the way to make room for her sleeping bag. = There wasn't a lot in the room that she would miss. "My parents will worry," she said absently, looking around at her familiar surroundings. "Sure they will," Mxyzptlk told her. "Of course, after the way they treated you, they deserve to worry, don't they?" "I guess," she answered, but her voice was uncertain. "It's not like they ever understood you," he continued. "In fact, I bet they wanted you to stay a baby forever. They're probably still looking f= or a way to turn you back into a baby." With that, Laura nodded, recalling the conversation at breakfast that morning. They had spoken about her, but they hadn't spoken to her. Maybe= they wouldn't even notice she was gone. Maybe they wouldn't care. With her anger restored, she told Mxyzptlk in a firm voice, "I'm going with yo= u, Mister." "That's my girl," Mxyzptlk said with triumph. With a profusion of glitter, the two disappeared, leaving the nursery deserted. A small card= materialized out of thin air, and floated leisurely to the floor. ********** Lois was pacing through the living room when Clark returned. She had been doing so for the last hour, despite Martha's assurances that this ty= pe of argument was quite normal when dealing with teenagers. Finally, both Martha and Jonathan had gone shopping, hoping to find something that Laur= a would be willing to eat, besides the Twinkies and Cupcakes that she had demolished that morning. "I see it's not any better," Clark said, placing his hands on his wife's shoulders to calm her. "She's just so completely unreasonable!" Lois insisted. "She doesn't listen to a word I say, and when she does listen she assumes what I'm saying is wrong even when I have perfect proof that it isn't wrong. She won't eat anything except for junk food, she won't talk unless it's to argue, and she won't turn that infernal music off long enough for me to have a civil conversation with her, even if she was listening to what I said." At the look in Clark's eyes, Lois finally broke off, taking a deep breath= to get her emotions into check. "You love her and you're worried. Does that about sum it up?" he asked her quietly. "Yeah." "Then let's go talk to her." Taking her hand in his, Clark led her up the stairs. "I have a bad feeling that Mxyzptlk is going to try to use her for more than a distraction," he told his wife. "I think we need to warn her." Lois nodded and stepped past the broken door to enter the nursery. There= was no one there. She looked around, somewhat frantically, then knelt to= pick up a single white card in the middle of the sleeping bag. She shook= off the glittery substance that coated it, and read, "Thanks for the help= ." Clark closed his eyes, trying not to panic. Lois saw his reaction, and reached for his hand. "He has Laura, doesn't he?" The curtains fluttered as if on cue, allowing a cool breeze into the nursery and accentuating its emptiness. "Yeah," he answered. "But we're= going to get her back." He took a step back and spun back into the suit.= = He kissed Lois on the cheek, telling her, "I'll bring her back," and then= departed through the open window. Lois watched him go, and tried not to give in to the panic that was creeping into her mind. Laura was safer than most, she reasoned, for she= had her father's strength. She would be fine. Of course she would. She= had no choice. Lois began to wish fervently that she had gone to work today, after all. = At least if she were at the Planet, she wouldn't be fighting this fear alone. She even considered going in for a bit, to get her mind off the situation until Clark could sort it out, but then decided against it. If= Laura were to come home, the house shouldn't be empty. Deciding that she must do something, or go crazy, Lois began to clean up the room. Seeing the sleeping bag, she thought that perhaps Laura should= have a real bed to sleep in. She vaguely remembered a fold away bed from= Clark's apartment that they had stored in a downstairs closet, but she wasn't entirely sure if she could get to it. Coming to the decision that= she had little to lose in the attempt, Lois went downstairs to search for= the old bed. It took nearly an hour of re-arranging the closet, but she was finally ab= le to see the bed behind a couple of boxes. Shifting those, she was able to= move the heavy old bed using leverage and a good sense of balance. Once she had it out of the closet, she moved to replace the items she had removed to reach it. She was still putting things back when Jonathan and Martha returned carrying two bags of groceries. Still working, Lois explained what had happened to her in-laws, and she managed to accomplish the entire discussion without having to look th= em in the eye. Martha put away the groceries as Jonathan handed Lois the boxes, and the mess that had moved from the closet to the hallway began t= o disappear. Just as Lois was finally getting things back where they belonged, she froze. Martha noticed the change immediately, and asked her what was wrong. Lois stepped from the closet holding a garment bag that was both open and clearly empty. "What's that, Dear?" Martha asked her. "The costume," Lois answered in a hushed voice. "One of Clark's?" "No. Mine," she said, finally meeting Martha's eyes. "The one you made me." Martha's eyes locked with Lois's as understanding dawned. The Ultrawoman costume was gone. No one had known where the costume was hidden, not even Clark. In order to find it, someone would have had to have used... Magic. ********** Clark was more than frustrated when he returned home. He had flown search patterns over the whole city, concentrating on the areas around th= e malls, and still he hadn't found his daughter. Knowing that Lois would b= e terribly worried, he finally decided to head back home and see if Laura h= ad returned there. He entered through his bedroom window, and quickly changed from the suit into a pair of sweat pants and T-shirt. It was late, and he was fairly sure that dinner was finished. He jogged down the stairs, reluctant to face Lois without their daughter, and froze at the sight that greeted him= . Lois and his parents were seated on the couch, watching the television in= rapt attention. It took him just a moment to recognize the figure on the= screen. Actually, he recognized the suit long before he recognized his daughter. In a fluorescent wash of purple and pink, she descended from the sky. = She looked almost identical to the original Ultrawoman, except that her chest was a little smaller, bearing a glittering silver "H", and her braided hair much longer. She pushed at the turquoise cape, moving it of= f her shoulders, and then she faced the crowd. The news camera captured the tiny smile that was so familiar to him, a mischievous little grin that he had come to realize meant trouble. She= waited a moment, poised before the cameras and a group of adoring fans. "Hi everyone," she began, her voice trembling just slightly. "I'm here to represent Mr. Mxyzptlk. He is here to lead us, and we are to follow him without question." Clark groaned, knowing that Mxyzptlk had indeed managed to brainwash his child. The small noise drew his family's attention from the televisi= on to him. Lois rose immediately, and went to him, slipping her arms around= his waist. "At least we know she's okay," she whispered in his ear. "Th= e rest we can deal with." He nodded, seeing the logic in her statement. Soon, their daughter's voice once more claimed their attention. "The youth of the world have found a new leader in our Mister. His music inspires us, and his leadership will bring us all that we want. Ou= r parents don't understand us, and they can't love us because they are too different from us, so Mister is all we have. "He has asked me to speak to the world, to tell you what he wants from yo= u. Mister wants you to be happy. He wants you to be free of the tyranny our parents force on us." She looked around the group, seeing the attention of the children focused= on her, and she became bolder. "Mister has several demands for the adult= s of the world. They can either join us, or we will banish them from our world. If they choose to join us, they must give us all the money and stereo systems we want. They must play our music, loudly, and never yell= at us." As the crowd cheered, Laura seemed to drink in the adoration of the crowd= , as though it were meant for her rather than Mxyzptlk. Her demands continued, becoming immature and whiny, yet the cheers continued. By the end of the speech, Laura sounded almost silly, but only the adults seemed to notice. She stood there, before her followers, until th= e cheers receded. Then, she walked into the crowd, greeting her fans and sharing with them the wonder of Mxyzptlk. Most of the news crews were preparing to leave as the group dispersed. = A cameraman walked up to her, and spoke. "Hi, do you remember me?" She looked confused for a moment, then decided he must be mistaking her for someone else. "No, I don't. I haven't seen you before." Realizing his mistake, and seeing that she certainly wasn't as old as he remembered, he tried to save face. "Sorry," he told her. "I thought you were Ultrawoman. You have the costume, except for the "H", and you d= o fly." "Mister gave me the costume," she told him. "So that I could be his spokesman. He said people would be impressed if I wore it. I'm not = a woman, though. Adults can't be trusted. I'm just a girl." She paused f= or a moment before adding with a small smile, "Hypergirl." Jimmy looked her up and down. "Well, that costume certainly is impressive." Still, he found that it didn't hold the same fascination fo= r him that it once had. Briefly, he wondered what Penny would look like in= the suit, then he banished that thought. She was a little too practical for something like that. "Do you know Superman?" Jimmy asked her. With most of the reporters gone= , she seemed calmer, less demanding, and he hoped that he could get an exclusive for the Planet. At the very least, it might impress his editor= slightly. "He's an adult," she said firmly. "I don't want to know him." She start= ed to turn and leave, then she pivoted back and faced him once more. "You don't look old," she said brightly. "I mean, you aren't one of us, but y= ou don't look like one of them either. You might be okay." ********** Clark spun quickly and, now wearing the suit, faced the television set. = The reports had ended when Laura's demands had become so petulant as to be comical. The news was now speculating on the origins of the new super= hero, and her questionable motives. = "At least we know where she is," he told his wife quickly. "Now I just need to get her." With that, he disappeared out the window with a whoosh= . ********** "Where do you come from?" Jimmy asked, eager for the opportunity to get a story. "Metropolis," she answered, slightly confused. "You live here?" "I was born here," she answered lightly. "My parents live here, too." "Who are your parents?" Before she could answer, one parent in question descended from above her.= "Young Lady, we need to talk." She looked at him for a moment, allowing memory and instinct to fill in the missing parts. "Dad?" Jimmy's eyes opened wide as the implications of that statement sunk in. Before he could form a coherent question, Superman scooped his daughter into his arms and took to the sky, leaving a confused photographer starin= g skyward. ********** Clark landed with his daughter on a ledge which overlooked the city. = He needed a place where they would not be disturbed, and this seemed to f= it the bill. They sat for a moment, not speaking, before she finally accuse= d him. "You didn't tell me you were Superman." Clark turned to his daughter, seeing the anger and accusation there, and sighed. He and Lois had discussed when they would tell their child about his second job, but they hadn't come to a conclusion. Still, this situation hadn't left a great deal of time for details like genealogy. "I really didn't have the opportunity," he said quietly. "Remember, two days ago you were a baby." "Like that's an excuse," she said sarcastically. "What *are* you so angry about?" he replied. "All we've ever done is lov= e you and try to keep you safe. There's no reason for you to be so angry."= "You don't understand me," she declared. "You never did." "You haven't given us the chance," he said quietly, willing her to drop her voice. He was certain that yelling would have no effect, so he inste= ad was trying for a tranquil tone. "Mister understands me," she told him firmly. "Oh, I see," he answered, thinking quickly. "Is he the one that gave you= the costume?" She smiled proudly, swinging her legs over the edge of the building and kicking rhythmically. "Yes, he gave it to me. He said people would take me more seriously if I wore it." Clark nodded, still not entirely sure how to proceed. "Do you know where= he got it?" She looked confused for a moment. "No, he didn't tell me. I guess he made it." "Actually, he stole it," Clark answered. "It was in a closet. It belong= ed to your mother, and she hid it. I don't know how he even knew about it."= "Mister wouldn't steal," she said emphatically. "He doesn't have to. He= can make whatever he wants. He can give us whatever we want." Clark faced her, looking into his own brown eyes. "If he can make whatev= er he wants, why does he want the adults to give him money and stereos?" "He doesn't," she answered proudly. "I do. I want to be able to play my music when I want, *not* when you say it's okay." "Have I ever told you that you couldn't play music?" he asked her quietly= . She thought a moment. "No, I guess not. But lots of parents do. And Mommy wouldn't let me stay at the gathering when we were shopping." "That 'gathering' turned into a mob scene. I had to take all those kids home and close the mall after they tore it up." She looked shocked for a moment. "Why would they do that?" "I guess to show Mxyzptlk how much they liked him." They sat in silence a while longer, before she faced him with a hurt expression. "You want me to be a baby forever," she accused. Clark sighed, and reached over to take her hand in his. "Not forever, Honey, but it would have been nice for you to be one till the end of the year." "Why? I like being big." "I know you do, but you missed a lot of neat stuff by growing so fast. = You didn't get to go to school, or read stories, or play with other kids.= = You didn't get to see Disneyland or play Little League." He faced her, reaching out to caress her cheek with his hand. "We didn't get to see yo= u grow up," he said simply. "We would have loved to do that." "My Daddy," she whispered as Clark reached out and pulled her into his arms. He held her for a moment, content to let her rest. When she raise= d her head, there were tears in her eyes. "I want to go home," she told him simply. "I'm glad. We want you home." She thought a moment more. "He won't let me leave, I don't think." Clark nodded. He was pleased that she was realizing she was Mxyzptlk's prisoner. "I have an idea, but you'll have to help me do it."= "What do I have to do," she asked him. Clark considered carefully before allowing her to help him. He knew that Mxyzptlk could be anywhere, and listening in on the conversation. = Still, he knew that he couldn't do this alone, and he wouldn't presume to= try. "We have to get him to say his name backwards," he said quietly. "If he does that, he gets sent to his own dimension. Then, you could be my baby= again, and grow up the right way." She nodded slowly, beginning to understand. "He said you sent him away once before. How did you do it?" "We gave him a Christmas present. When he read the card, he read his name backwards." She nodded once more. "That won't work again," she told him. "He's too smart." Clark agreed with her. "I know. But, like I said, if you'll help me I have another idea." (continued in part 5) !^NavFont02F3B220007MGHH3BjFFF3 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:30:56 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: NEW S6: Hypergirl (1/5) Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 SEASON 6/EPISODE 5 -- HYPERGIRL (1/5) By Crystal Wimmer with creative assistance from Annie Lansbury ********** The fabric of the universe folded for just a moment, as a hand rended it'= s way between two worlds. With a grunt, the hand pushed through and was joined by a second hand. As the two hands forced the tear wider, a profusion of glitter entered into the known universe, and a small being popped through with triumph. Dusting himself off lightly, Mxyzptlk faced the Earth below him with only= one thought in mind... taking over. He had been too abrupt in his first attempt, allowing a blue-suited Boy Scout to trick him back into his own dimension. He would not be so careless this time. = He would be a god in this world; that was his goal. He would give the mortals what they required, and take from them all that he wanted. First= , though, he would have to occupy the Big Blue Guy in some manner. The guardian of this pitiful planet was powerful, and not to be taken lightly= . = Using a device he had brought from his own dimension, he managed to locat= e the potential opponent in his home. He would watch, he decided. He woul= d watch and learn. Every mortal had a weak spot. Generations of attempts = to conquer this planet had shown him that. There was always an area of vulnerability in a potential hero. He would just have to identify it, an= d use it. The Blue Boy Scout was going down. ********** Lois sighed as she laid Laura in her crib for the fifth time that night. = She waited a moment, ensuring that the baby's brown eyes would remain closed, then she backed from the nursery. Clark smiled as his wife retreated on tiptoe from the room. He often wished he could share his gift of flight with her so that she could escap= e the infant more easily. Quietly, he hovered himself down the hallway and= lifted Lois into his arms. She gave a startled sound as he raised her fr= om the floor, but not enough to wake the baby. Clark quickly x-rayed through the closed door to ensure that Laura was still sleeping, then floated them down the stairs to the living room, whe= re they could at least talk. "It isn't even ten o'clock yet, Clark," Lois said, the frustration ringin= g in her voice. "I bet she'll be up another ten times before we even get t= o bed." Clark nodded absently as he carried her a cup of tea from the kitchen. = She was right, he knew. "My mom says it's still the teething," he told h= er as he handed her a steaming cup. "It shouldn't last much longer." Lois made a frustrated sound as she sipped her tea. "First it was `she's= just a newborn', now it's `she's teething'. What's it going to be next week? I haven't slept through the night in over a year." She knew she w= as being crabby, but she was tired. They were both glad to have some privacy back, however since Martha and Jonathan had moved to their own apartment, Lois and Clark had been le= ft to get up with Laura several times each night. Part of this was due to Lois's nursing, but more was due to Laura's tendency to wake without reason, and her difficulty in going back to sleep. = Clark tried to bring the baby to Lois as often as he could, but it was Lois who had to remain awake for the feedings. Still, she didn't want to= give up the nighttime opportunity to nurse. She was only able to nurse once or twice during the day, regardless of the convenience of the Planet= 's new daycare Center, and it was the nighttime nursing that maintained her milk supply. Clark laid a sympathetic hand on her arm. He felt partly responsible for= her grumpiness. Most nights, Lois did have to bear the brunt of mid-nigh= t waking. He was away `saving the world', as she often told him. He did hi= s best to be a good father, to be there for his wife and daughter, but he always felt as though he fell short of his goal. "I could try giving her a bottle later tonight," Clark offered. Lois shook her head. "It's not the feedings," she explained. "That's on= ly a couple of times, and I'm half asleep then. It's all the other times sh= e wakes up. It's just so hard to get her back to sleep. Aren't most kids sleeping through the night by now?" Clark shrugged his shoulders. He honestly didn't know. He reached over and laid his hand on her leg, squeezing gently. Lois placed her hand over his, accepting his wordless apology. She didn't mean to make him feel worse, but she couldn't seem to help complaining on occasion. In an effort to change the topic, she tried to return to the conversation they had been having before Laura's cries had= interrupted them. "So, where are you taking me for Valentine's Day?" He smiled slightly as he kissed her on the cheek. "Are you sure you want= to leave?" I know you hate to leave the baby." Lois returned his smile and set down her tea. She snuggled back against her husband, enjoying his warmth. "Trust me, I'm ready to leave her," sh= e said with a trace of sarcasm. "At least long enough for a good night's sleep. Besides, your parents have been looking forward to spending the night with her." Clark set down his tea and put his arms around his wife. "I don't know,"= he began. "How about Paris? We haven't been there in ages, and it's definitely the place for romance." "Mmmmm, romance," she said wistfully, turning her head to kiss him. "I could definitely go for some romance." Clark smiled as he leisurely kissed his wife. She returned his affection enthusiastically, turning herself so that she could hold him as= tightly as he was holding her. Just as her fingers were finding their way to his shirt buttons, Clark raised his head with a resigned look. Lois took a moment longer to surface, and when she opened her eyes and saw his expression she sighed heavily. "Is it save the world or feed the baby?" Clark didn't have to answer. As if on cue, Laura's cries floated down the stairway with alarming volume. "Let me get her this time," he told Lois. She nodded absently, then allowed her head to fall back onto the couch. = She would just rest a few moments, she decided, then she would feel more like herself when Clark returned. = Clark was quickly able to quiet Laura. He blew on one of her teething rings, freezing it quickly, and offered it to her. Within moments, she w= as sound asleep, gnawing on the frozen plastic even as she slept. With a gentle kiss, Clark covered her with a blanket and once more retreated fro= m the room. He found Lois sound asleep on the couch. He considered waking her, spending just a little time with his wife, but decided that she needed th= e sleep more. Lifting her as gently as he had Laura, he flew her upstairs and laid her on their bed. It took him only moments to undress her and g= et her settled beneath the covers, then he undressed to join her. As soon as he was in the bed, Lois moved to curl into his arms. Holding her, he couldn't help but smile. "You think this is bad," he whispered t= o his sleeping wife, "Just wait until she's a teenager." Gently, he kissed her forehead and closed his eyes. If he was lucky, he would get a couple of hours sleep before either Laura or the world in general claimed Superman's attention. With his eyes closed, Clark was unaware of the glittering presence in his bedroom. = ********** The presence faded quickly, having gained the knowledge he needed, and reappeared in the nursery. He gradually took the form of a glitterin= g little man wearing an old fashioned suit with ruffled white sleeves. His= slightly demented smile faded as he looked at the sleeping infant. "Now there's an idea," he said quietly, to no one in particular. "Instea= d of forcing him to leave, I'll just keep him so busy that he isn't in my way. Hmm, a teenage daughter would certainly distract Daddy, now wouldn'= t she?" With a final soft laugh, and a profusion of glitter, the figure disappeared. The infant glowed for just a moment, surrounded by the same= glitter that Mxyzptlk had generated, then the light faded. Brown eyes opened briefly, startled by the light, then closed sleepily. ********** Lois stretched languorously as she woke. She couldn't ever remember feeling so rested. The bed beside her was both empty and cool, indicatin= g that Clark had been up and gone for some time. It didn't surprise her really, as he was often up before she was. With a final stretch, she turned to look at her alarm clock. She rarely set it anymore, relying instead on her daughter's perfect internal clock. With a start, Lois sat bolt upright in the bed, her eyes flashing to the silent baby monitor sitting on her dresser. It was nearly nine in the morning. Laura had never slept this late. Lois stood quickly, grabbing a robe as she went. She stormed down the hallway with images of= sudden infant death and kidnapping flashing through her mind. = She had just enough control about her not to throw the door open. = Instead, she eased the door open, and carefully stuck her head in the roo= m, terrified of what she would find. She gazed at her daughter in shock for= several moments, completely in shock. Finally, having no clue what else = to do, she called out as loudly as she could, "Help, Superman!!" ********** Clark's head snapped up as he finished setting a thief down in front of the store he had just robbed. He knew that voice. In a blur, he left the fortunate criminal standing by himself on the sidewalk and rushed to his wife's side. At first, he couldn't figure out what was wrong. He detected the familia= r two heartbeats in the townhouse, and while Lois's was a little faster tha= n usual, there was nothing visible to indicate what the problem was. As sh= e turned to face him, he caught a glimpse of his daughter's crib. = The baby he expected to see was nowhere to be found, and in her place was= a toddler of = around three. She was holding herself upright by the crib railing, slightly unstable on her feet, and she had the longest, prettiest brown hair that he had ever seen. Then, his gaze met hers, and he froze. He had looked into those eyes every day since her birth, seeing both himself= and his wife reflected in their depths. Somehow, this was his daughter. "Lois?" he asked softly, even as she reached for the child. Laura knew her mother, and went eagerly into her arms. = Lois turned to him with an expression of fear and confusion. "We need to= call Dr. Klein," she said quietly, her logic at odds with her maternal instincts. Lois's practicality seemed to jolt Clark back to reality as well. He nodded and began to plan quickly. "I'll go pick up my folks," he said quickly. "We can't take her to daycare, that's for sure." Lois nodded enthusiastically. Martha would know what to do, she thought,= and Dr. Klein would be able to reverse whatever had happened to their daughter. Holding the child as though she were fine china, she went to u= se the phone. Clark watched her walk away, then flew out the window with a familiar "whoosh". He certainly hoped that his parents were willing to go back to watching Laura. They hadn't seemed upset when the Daily Planet opened it's Day Car= e Center, but neither had they been overjoyed to give up seeing their granddaughter on a daily basis. He hoped fervently that they hadn't foun= d too many activities to occupy their time. ********** Clark returned with his mother less than thirty minutes later. His father would drive over later, they had decided, after he'd had time to pack and plan. Martha had agreed to come immediately. Neither mother no= r son were prepared for the scene that greeted them. A three year old whirlwind twirled around with her arms outstretched, jelly smeared from the top of her head to her fingertips. There were streaks of jelly on the walls and table as well. Lois was in the kitchen= , cleaning up glass from the broken jelly jar before it could do any damag= e. = Lois had a towel around her head, turban style, and the cordless phone tucked between her shoulder and ear. "Yes, Mother. I know, Mother. We'= ll try to arrange something, Mother. I really need to go... No, I'm not trying to keep you from your granddaughter, I know that you are an important part of her life." Lois was still nodding into the phone as she turned to check on her daughter and saw that Clark had arrived, bringing reinforcements. With a= sense of relief, she made excuses once more to her mother, and finally managed to end the call with her mother's "just wait until your children grow up, then you'll know what I'm going through" ringing in her ears. = With an ominous sense of foreboding, she turned to her husband. Clark stepped forward quickly, and soothed his wife with a kiss. He smil= ed at the sweet flavor of grape that was left on his lips. He was almost ready to ask what had happened when Lois launched into an explanation. "She was sitting at the table, eating toast, so I figured I'd take a quick shower before Dr. Klein got here. I couldn't have been gone more than five minutes, and I have no clue how she made this mess. She couldn= 't even walk when I left her, and now *look* at her!" Martha and Clark did just that. Laura was continuing to twirl in circles until she fell with dizziness. Giggling, she stood again, leavin= g purple streaks on the carpet, and began to twirl again. Shaking her head= , Martha took matters into her own hands. "Hi, Sweetie," she said in a quiet, singsong voice. "How about we get you into a bubble bath so that your Mommy and daddy can sort this out." = Laura smiled at the pleasant voice, and promptly hugged her grandmother with sticky hands. Laughing softly, Martha lifted the child into her arm= s and carried her to the bathroom. Clark was left facing a very frustrated Lois. After a glance around the room, he made a super trip through the kitchen and living room, cleaning = as he went. Lois watched the blur clean her home, putting glass in the trash= can and cleaning jelly from the couch. Within a few seconds, her husband materialized, wearing a pair of dress slacks and a white dress shirt. "You cleaned that mess almost as fast as your daughter made it," Lois commented wryly as she sat carefully on the damp, freshly cleaned couch. Clark smiled at his wife's resilience. "You're handling this pretty well= ," he said quietly. She shook her head with a sad smile. "I've kind of learned to expect the unexpected when married to Superman," she explained. "Children aging= by the year instead of the day shouldn't even seem out of the ordinary, should it?" Clark shook his head in denial. "I talked to Mom about that. She said I= grew at a normal rate, so I don't think that's it." "Well, maybe Dr. Klein can figure it out," she said as she stood. "He said he'd be here within the hour, so I'd better put some clothes on. I didn't expect hurricane Laura to require quite so much attention." Clark stood with her, kissing her gently on the cheek. "We'll get this figured out, and things will go back to normal." Lois nodded slightly as she headed for the stairs. Half way up to the second floor, she turned to her husband and asked him, "What's normal?" ********** Dr. Klein returned a stethoscope to his bag and turned to the child's anxious parents. He still wasn't entirely comfortable with clinical work= , but he understood their reluctance to call Laura's pediatrician. "She appears to be fine," he told them with some confusion. "The aging process has certainly been accelerated, but it seems to have stabilized for the moment. I have no idea what *did* cause the acceleration in her growth, but I'm fairly sure this is not a result of h= er genetic makeup." Lois closed her eyes in relief as she accepted the information. Her greatest fear had been that she and Clark's genetic material had not been= as compatible as they had hoped, and that Laura was suffering from this. = "If it's not us, than what is it?" she asked with some desperation. Dr. Klein sat back and looked at her for a moment. "It might be somethin= g as simple as an exposure to something radioactive, although I have no clu= e when she might have been exposed. It might be a natural side effect of her Kryptonian body being born beneath a yellow sun." "But, Clark didn't age quickly," Martha cut in, stepping forward to re-dress the now squirming toddler. Laura had been fussy following her blood test, but she was rapidly calming and seemed to enjoy her grandmother's attention. "So you've said," Bernard commented, almost to himself. "Still, he wasn't *born* beneath the yellow sun. That might be the missing element.= " "When will the aging stop?" Clark asked quietly. "For the moment, it has," he replied. "Without more specialized tests and equipment I can only give you my impressions. Even with the equipmen= t, we are still dealing in theory, because none of us have ever done this before." He briefly held up the glass tubes he had collected Laura's blo= od in. "At the very least, we know that any "super" abilities haven't kick= ed in yet, including an aura, so we may be able to find out more with time. As Martha finished dressing her granddaughter, she handed the toddler bac= k to Lois. Lois reached for her eagerly, and soon Laura fell asleep in her mother's loving arms. As different as the child appeared, it was still clearly their daughter. She knew her parents, she clutched the same= battered and well chewed toy, and she carried several of the habits that endeared their daughter to them. Lois was startled out of her thoughts by the ringing of her telephone. = Clark lifted the receiver, and said a few quiet words. He listened for a= moment, argued briefly, then finally conceded defeat to his editor. When= he turned to Lois, his expression was resigned, if not happy. "At least one of us needs to get to work," he said quickly. "Perry said= that there was a major problem at the shopping malls. Something about a new rock group encouraging teenagers to be violent." He looked at his daughter, sleeping peacefully in Lois's arms, and smiled slightly. "Why don't I have Superman check the situation, and you can get her put to bed= ." Lois nodded thoughtfully, her maternal instincts at battle with her searc= h for the Pulitzer. After only a moment's consideration, she decided to pu= t her daughter first. "I need to put her down and make sure she's settled,= then I'll meet you there." She looked down at the child sleeping in her arms, the worry clearly etched on her face. "I'll be there as soon as I can." Clark nodded his agreement, then softly placed a kiss on first his daughter's, then his wife's cheek. "We'll figure this out," he told her gently. He had more experience with leaving his family in crisis, and he= did so now with a quick spin, and a whoosh out the window. = (continued in part 2) !^NavFont02F3B370008MGHH3B384D77 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:28:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: WAY off topic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay guys. Sorry for posting this way off topic er.. topic. However, if you know anyone who's having a bad day, just show them this website: http://www.hampsterdance.com/ it'll bring a smile to anyone's face. Happy fanficing! farah :) farah@chisham.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:17:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: eligible fics? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 2/14/1999 -0600, Kathy wrote: >Yes, the "If Only" series is indeed eligible. Whew! I was worried there for a little while;) > It has already received a >fair amount of nominations for Best Series, actually. :) Really!? Who'd a thunk it! :) Margaret Blushing shamelessly in Ottawa;) Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:04:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: NEW FANFIC ALERT - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, FoLCs! :) I realize that "Hypergirl" is going to be a tough act to follow (those S6 writers really are something, aren't they?) but if I don't get this story out now, I'm afraid I never will. It's been in the makings for well over a year and a half, and I'm just glad to call it finished . . . for now. Should anyone spot and glaring errors, please feel free to let me know. I'm planning to hold off on submitting it to the archive because I'm sure someone out there is bound to find some sort of mistake. ;) Comments and suggestions are more than welcome! Enjoy! :) Karen :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:04:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (1 of 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Foreword: First of all, I'd like to extend a warm thank you to my story editor, Irene Dutchak, for selflessly donating her time to root through this fic for rough spots. It meant more to me that words can say. I'd also like to extend a special thank you to Mandy Crustner, without whose support and encouragement I doubt I would have ever managed to finish this fic. She graciously took the time to read this monster not just once, but *two* times, pointing out to me more typos than I thought a single person was capable of. However, I must add that the blame for any remaining typos, or confusing passages, belongs solely to me. In continuity, this story takes place after my other fanfic 'Tomorrow's Past', which I wrote in response to being very disappointed with the series finale of my favourite television show. However, it isn't necessary to read 'Tomorrow's Past' to understand this story. All you need to know is that Lois and Clark are still under the impression that they are "biologically incompatible for reproduction". Being familiar with the episode 'Virtually Destroyed' might (it's debatable ) make this story easier to follow. This story is for my mother, the strongest person I know. * denotes emphasis ** denotes sounds NIGHTMARE ON HYPERION AVENUE By: Karen Ward **Swoosh!** A well-aimed gust of wind caused the basketball to veer left before it breezed through the hoop at Centennial Park. "Yes! Another three-pointer!" Ted Rickman, the Daily Planet's newest college intern and Clark Kent's recently adopted protege, exclaimed. "That's three in row, Clark. That makes it 15 to 6. Are you sure you can take any more? Maybe you'd better forfeit before the score gets too embarrassing. I wouldn't want you to go home and not be able to look your wife in the eye, now would I, Kent?" "Are you kidding? Of course you would! But I'll have to forfeit anyway, it's getting too dark to play." "Yeah, sure, Kent. Whatever you say." "Seriously, Lois and I are going on a double date with the Whites, and I don't want to be late for dinner with the boss." Clark glanced at his watch. "I'd better get going." "A double date with the Whites? Why? Are you and Lois looking for a raise?" Ted teased. "No," Clark smiled. "But I wouldn't be surprised if that was on Lois's agenda too. They're attempting a reconciliation and Lois has this notion that we should be there as mediators, so to speak, to make sure that things run smoothly . . . at least that's what she says." "Oh, I see. And what do you think are her real motives?" "Well . . . you know what Lois is like." "Ah, yes, I do. You think she's just being nosy?" "Yep." "Well, she must be really something to be able to drag you away >from your TV on the night of the Metros versus Bills football game. Next to me, you're the biggest Buffalo fan in Metropolis!" "She's something alright." Clark chuckled. "What's so funny?" "I was just thinking . . ." "What?" "Well . . ." "Come on, Clark, you've got to tell me now. I can tell by the glint in your eye that it's something good." "I probably shouldn't say this, but . . . let's just say that, in other areas, she'll more than compensate me for missing the football game." Ted laughed. "I'm sure she will, Clark. I'm sure she will." * * * Later, a lean figure loomed in the second-storey window of his one-room apartment. The meagre glow of street lights seeped through the slit between the curtains, forming a thin slice of light on the wall across >from the window. Every now and then the light would brighten and slide up the wall while a set of headlights passed by on the street below. A pair of binoculars rested at the figure's side in his right hand, while his left hand reached to clear the drapes from his line of sight. The expanding opening between the curtains allowed a stream of streetlight to sweep across the man's front, illuminating the red and blue logo dominating the front of his t-shirt, and glinting off the locks of blond hair that framed his forehead. He raised the binoculars to his eyes and focused them on an upstairs bedroom of the brownstone at 348 Hyperion Avenue. The straight line of his lips transformed into a satisfied smile as he realized that his timing was perfect. It was one of the rare occasions that the couple across the street had left the drapes drawn, providing a clear view through the patio door leading to the upstairs master bedroom. He watched an attractive young brunette hustle around the room in a revealing black slip. She dug into her closet, yanked out a short burgundy kimono, scurried over to a full-length mirror and held it up in front of her. She wrinkled her nose in disgust and flung the satin dress at the heap of clothing strewn in a pile next to the mirror as she scampered back to the closet to find another outfit. * * * "Lois, aren't you ready yet?" Clark Kent, one half of the hottest reporting team in Metropolis, stood at the base of the staircase, hands cupped around his mouth, shouting to his wife in the upstairs bedroom. "If you don't hurry up, we'll be late. The reservations are for seven-thirty. We have five minutes. What's taking you so long anyway?" "Hold your horses, Clark, I'm coming!" Lois Lane, ace reporter and the other half of the hottest team in town, hollered back. She lifted a shiny, burgundy kimono in front of her slender figure and considered her reflection in the full-length mirror on the back of their closet door. She looked pensive for a moment before she scowled at her image and threw the dress aside. "Lois, if I hold my horses any longer they're going to . . . well let's just say my horses are getting *very* impatient!" "Well, tell your horses that if they keep up their patience, I'll make sure it's worth their wait!" "That would be fine with me except it's not just my horses that are getting impatient. If we keep Perry and Alice waiting any longer they're going to think we ditched them." Clark approached the mirror by the vestibule and adjusted his crimson tie. "When people are attempting a reconciliation," he shouted toward the ceiling, "the last thing they need is for us to cause them stress by being late for dinner." "I know! I'm coming!" Clark ran his hands down the front of his charcoal suit, smoothing wrinkles. For what seemed like the millionth time, he pushed back the sleeve covering his watch and grimaced when he saw the time. Curious as to what was keeping his wife, he drew his glasses down to the tip of his nose and his x-ray vision began to penetrate the ceiling into the bedroom. "What do you think you're doing, Mr. Kent?!" The sound of Lois's voice from the bottom of the stairwell startled Clark, causing his glasses to slip further down his nose before he could clumsily shove them back into place. "Uh . . . I was just . . . uh . . . " He felt as if he'd been caught with his hand in the proverbial cookie jar, except he hadn't been reaching for cookies. He realized, however, that Lois had no reason to believe that his motives were purely innocent. Clark relaxed and gave up on his explanation when he noticed the corner of his wife's mouth twitch, betraying her mock seriousness. "Don't worry, Kent, I'll let you get away with it this time. But if I ever catch you doing that again, I'll just have to give you some strict lessons on respecting other people's privacy." "If they're anything like the lessons I gave you on self confidence, I'll be looking forward to it." Lois chuckled as she retrieved her jacket from its hook by the door. "Oh, they'll be a lot more rigorous and intensive than that!" She grinned when she turned and saw his eyes wide in appreciation of her knee length, black, satin dress. "You look . . . wow!" Clark managed. She adjusted one of the spaghetti straps with her right hand as she held her jacket to him with the other. "I take it you think it was worth the wait then?" Clark's gaze didn't waver as he nodded his agreement. Upon recovering his wits, he accepted her jacket and slipped it over her shoulders. "It was awfully nice of Perry and Alice to invite us to dinner," he said, changing the topic in order to keep his mind off what he'd rather be doing with his wife at this moment. "I just hope we get back in time to catch the Metros' game tonight. They're playing the Bills, you know." "Are you kidding?! Of course I know. You've only spent the last week talking about this 'big game'." "Yeah, well, it *is* a big game. The winner makes the playoffs and I'm really pulling for the Bills. Not that I have anything against the Metros, it's just that I've always sort of like the Bills for some reason and . . ." Lois grabbed his arm and began hauling him outside. "Honey, you can rant about football all you want with . . . what's-his-name?" "Ted." "Right. You can rant all you want to Ted at the office tomorrow, but, right now, we're late for dinner with our boss so I think we should be going." Clark stopped just short of the door, also halting Lois who had a firm grip on his forearm. "Hey, I've been ready for over half an hour . . . and you got home before I did. Who's the one who spent over an hour doing who-knows-what when she looked beautiful to begin with, huh?" "Well, if I could get ready at superspeed I'd have been ready a long time ago too." Smiling, Lois turned to Clark and began poking his chest to emphasize her point. "But I'm just a measly little human being. I have to do things at regular speed." "That's no excuse." A sly grin crept onto Clark's face as he opened the front door for his wife. "I offered to help you get dressed but no-o, you wouldn't let me, would you?" "If I recall correctly, your offer was to help me get undressed. And it's not that I didn't appreciate your offer, but you know very well that if I'd let you, we'd have never made it out the door tonight." * * * Wheeling a large metal cart, a nurse rumbled down one of the halls of the Metropolis Asylum for the Criminally Insane. She reached the end of the hall and turned to face a thick, cast iron door. With her eyes trained on the keypad next to the door, she began to punch in a series of numbers. After a succession of clicks and a giant clang, she heaved the heavy door open. Inside the padded room a small man was huddled in the corner. His hands were at his head, each clasping a clump of unruly brown hair. His chin rested on his knees as he stared blankly at his feet. He remained completely still when the nurse wheeled the shiny silver pushcart in, and didn't flinch when she began to croon, "Hello there, Jaxon. How are you today? You're looking well. You'll never guess what we've got for you today." Jaxon's blank expression didn't waver as the nurse continued to address him. "The doctor thought it might be helpful to get you playing with computers again so he got you this." The nurse gestured to the contents of the metal cart that now sat in the centre of the room. "Pretty neat, huh, Jaxon? How would you like to try out your new computer?" Jaxon remained motionless in the corner while the nurse removed the safety cover on an outlet and inserted a plug that ran from the cart. She pushed a red switch on the power bar and the monitor sprang to life. "There we go, that should do it. It'll just take a second to load and that should give us time to get you in a chair and ready to go." The nurse retrieved a wooden chair from one side of the room, and Jaxon from the other. Once Jaxon was settled in the chair in front of the computer, she began to guide his unresponsive hands across the keyboard. "There's lots of fun games you can play on the computer . . . there we go. Tetris. Why don't we give that a try?" Sparks began to fly from the processor as Jaxon's fingers passed over the keys. A violent electrical shock sent the nurse sprawling to the floor, unconscious. Jaxon's fingers remained fixed on the keyboard, and his attention on the monitor, as electricity assaulted the computer. Jaxon's mouth formed a sneer until the current of electricity finally ceased. He began to chuckle as he rose from the chair and knelt over the fallen nurse to feel for a pulse. Soon roaring laughter echoed though the room and he turned back to the computer. * * * ". . . and then the King said, 'You Hound Dog, you! If that's what you wanted, you should have just said so!" Clark and Alice chuckled at the conclusion of Perry's latest Elvis tale, while Lois, after coercing her lips into small smile, fixed her husband with her best 'I-need-to-get-out-of-here' stare. Unfortunately for Lois, Perry interrupted before Clark could register her silent plea. "So are you two up for some dessert? I sure am!" "Uh . . . I don't know, Perry. I'm pretty beat," Lois responded, trying to sound sincere. "It's been a lovely evening but I really think Clark and I should get going." Then, to Lois's great relief, she noticed Clark's face take on a familiar far-off look. Recognizing the chance to not have to sit through another dose of Elvis stories, she pounced on it. "Don't you think so, Clark? You look beat yourself. We should get going." "Uh . . . yeah." Clark forced a yawn. "I'm wiped. We'd better be going." Clark pulled his wallet out of his pocket and slapped a few bills on the table. "That should cover dinner." Clark and Lois pushed their chairs out and stood up before Perry and Alice could protest. "We're sorry to leave so abruptly, but Lois and I really have to be getting to bed. We'll see you at the office tomorrow, Perry." Clark turned to Alice, "And thank you for such a lovely evening, Alice." Lois was barely able to say, "Bye, guys," before Clark grabbed the crook of her arm and bolted for the door. After regarding the young couples' rapidly retreating forms, Alice turned to Perry to inquire about his star reporters' hasty exit. "What was that all about? Do they do that often?" "Alice, Honey, Lois and Clark are still newlyweds. Don't you remember what that was like?" Alice grinned sheepishly at her ex-husband as realization dawned. "I sure do. Say, Hound Dog, why don't we follow the younger ones' example and turn in early ourselves?" Perry grinned back as he stared into his ex-wife's sparkling eyes. His gaze remained solid as he shouted, "Waiter! Check please!" Outside the restaurant, Lois and Clark sprinted down the street, veered into a secluded alley and stopped. "Wha . . . what is it? What . . . did you hear?" Lois gasped for breath. It's an alarm at the Metropolis Asylum. I should check it out. I'll meet you at home, okay, Hon'?" Lois nodded and spoke between breaths. "Okay." Clark gave Lois a peck on the forehead, spun into the suit, and leapt into the air. *** continued in part 2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:04:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (2 of 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" continued from part 1 * * * Lois eased her Jeep to a stop at the curb in front of her brownstone and opened the door to get out. As she approached the door, she stopped momentarily as her subconscious was invaded by the familiar feeling of uneasiness that told her something was up. She looked around the street, but saw nothing out of the ordinary. "Hmph." She shrugged and went inside. * * * From the second floor of 343 Hyperion Avenue, a blond man of medium height and athletic build watched a silver Jeep Grand Cherokee come to a halt in front of one of the brownstones across the street. Once again, his eyes tracked the movements of the attractive brunette from across the way. >From his darkened apartment, he watched her as she approached her front door and sighed when the young woman suddenly stopped, crinkled her brow, and gazed around the street. "Ah, yes," he spoke aloud to himself. "That's my Lois. She's so smart! And an amazing sixth sense! She already senses that she's being watched." * * * After changing out of her evening wear, and into a comfortable pair of sweatpants and a t-shirt, Lois flopped down on the living room couch and clicked on the T. V. She spent a few moments surfing the channels before she settled on the Buffalo versus Metropolis football game. She didn't really want to watch it, but somehow, it made her feel closer to Clark. At times like this she looked for anything that would make the time alone a little easier to bear. Halfway through the second quarter, as she was about to doze off, a news update startled her back to full consciousness. "This just in." The voice of the anchorman droned from the television. "A nurse is in critical condition after a convict by the name of Jaxon Xavier escaped from the Metropolis Asylum for the Criminally Insane tonight." Lois gasped. "How? . . ." Reflexively, Lois began running scenarios through her mind as to how Jaxon, in his comatose state, could have regained consciousness and escaped. "As of this moment," the voice continued in the background, "Metropolis Police are not sure as to how Xavier escaped from the asylum, but reports suggest that the building's security systems were breached through a computer terminal. Superman . . ." Lois perked up at the mention of her husband. ". . . arrived moments after the Asylum security discovered Xavier's empty cell, but was unable to immediately locate the villain. At this hour, Xavier remains at large and police are warning people to be on the lookout. He is not to be approached and considered extremely dangerous. If you should spot him, please notify the proper authorities immediately. Stay tuned to LNN for further updates on this matter." The football game reclaimed the screen as LNN's news logo faded >from view. Knowing that her Superman was on the case, Jaxon's escape didn't cause her much worry, so she refocused her attention on the football game. "Since when did you start watching football?" Clark's teasing voice was accompanied by a gust of cool evening breeze and the rattle of the window being shut. "Well, I figured one of us had to watch it and since you weren't here . . . . Did you find Jaxon?" Superman approached the couch and, after a brief red and blue whirlwind in the living room, Clark sat down beside Lois. "Actually, no." Clark rested his elbows on his knees and wrung his hands in his lap. He stared at the floor as he muttered, "I scoured the city but I couldn't find him anywhere." Noticing Clark's distress, Lois laid a hand between his shoulder blades. "Honey, it's okay. You'll find him. Actually, *we'll* find him. It'll make an interesting story to try to figure out how he recovered his mind from the virtual world." "Yeah . . . sure. With all the people in Metropolis it's worse than . . . trying to find a needle in a haystack," Clark mumbled as he continued to gaze at his hands. "Clark, what's wrong? You're usually a little more optimistic than this." Clark turned to face Lois, opened his mouth to speak, hesitated, and decided to say, "No . . . it's nothing." "Clark." Lois sat facing her husband and grasped his hands in hers, forcing him to give her his full attention. "I know you better than that. Something's wrong and you're going to tell me what it is. Now, talk." "Well . . . " Clark paused. "I guess I'm just worried about Jaxon's escape. He . . . he could come after you again." Clark lowered his stare to his and Lois's intertwined hands. "That's not it." Lois withdrew her right hand and used it to nudge Clark's chin upward, urging him to make eye contact with her again. Clark met her gaze, sucked in his breath and slowly released it again. "Sometimes I think . . ." Clark wasn't sure that this was a feeling he should share with Lois. He *was* sure that she wouldn't like what she was about to hear. "What is it?" Lois persisted. Once again diverting his eyes from Lois's, Clark decided to take the plunge. "Sometimes I think you would have been better off marrying Lex." Clark looked up to gauge Lois's reaction. Lois's jaw dropped as anger began to stir within her. "Clark, that is the most incredibly stupid thing I have ever heard you say! And considering some of the stupid things you've said--" "What do you mean, 'stupid things' I've said?" Clark pulled away as Lois's words cut into him. "Does 'Cheese of the Month Club' ring any bells?" "Oh." Clark felt hard-pressed to argue with that. "Clark, after all we've been through, how can you say I'd be better off with Lex, of all people?" Lois was thoroughly appalled. "Well, think about it, Lois. In the past two years, we've uncovered two of Lex Luthor's illegitimate sons, and who knows how many more there are?" Clark looked away because he knew he couldn't face Lois when he uttered his next words. "At least we know you would have been able to have children with him." Clark was surprised when his statement was met with silence. However, he knew he'd crossed the line when he looked up to see Lois's horrified expression. "Look, Lois, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. I was just . . ." "You were what? Feeling sorry for yourself?" The rage began to bubble inside Lois, threatening to spill over. "Hey! You have no right to be upset! *You* were the one who asked what I was feeling. You practically forced it out of me!" "I have no right to be upset?!" Lois blurted in disbelief. "My husband tells me that we shouldn't have gotten married and *I* have no right to be upset?!" By now, Lois had risen from the couch and was stampeding the room, waving her arms about in fury. "No, Lois. That's not what I meant." Lois stopped and faced Clark, who was still sitting on the couch. "Well, what *did* you mean?" "I . . . I don't know," Clark mumbled. "Well, let me know when you figure it out!" With that, Lois stormed up the stairs and slammed her bedroom door with enough force to rival that of Superman. After the bang of the door, Clark was left in an unsettling silence. His gaze remained fixed on the staircase where he'd last seen his wife's retreating form. After a moment, he dropped his face into his hands and groaned in frustration. Upstairs, Lois had sprawled out on her bed. Her face was buried in a pillow, smothering her sobs. * * * Through his binoculars, the blond man watched in smug satisfaction as Lois stormed into her room, slammed the door and flopped down on the bed. He was sure that her and Clark had been fighting. As usual, he hadn't been able to see into the living room. That view was blocked by hedges. However, the hedges didn't block the glow of light emanating from the living room window. There were shadows moving about the room and he was positive that there had been two people in that room, arguing. By the manner in which Lois had entered the bedroom he knew that something had angered her. He assumed it had been Clark. He hadn't seen Clark come home, but that didn't surprise him. Somehow, he rarely saw Clark come home. He figured that the Kents must have a hidden entrance somewhere. Anyhow, that didn't matter now. Lois and Clark had just had some sort of argument, and, obviously, Lois had been deeply hurt by it. He smiled again. This would be the perfect opportunity. He had to take it. * * * Somewhere, deep in the shadows of Metropolis, Jaxon Xavier crouched behind a dumpster in a dark alley, struggling to find his breath. He still bore the same vacant grin he'd had when he escaped the asylum. It was cemented to his face. After hacking into the Asylum's security system through the computer terminal the unsuspecting nurse had provided, Jaxon had known it would only be a matter of time before his absence would be detected. He also knew that it wouldn't be much longer before the big Boy Scout in blue would be scouring the city for him . . . not to mention a couple of nosy reporters. He'd have to do something about those three . . . . * * * Lost somewhere between sleep and wakefulness, Lois rolled over in bed to face her husband's empty side. She made a little groan and snuggled the side of her face further in her pillow. Suddenly, the whine of the alarm clock shattered Lois's restless semi-slumber. "Shut it off, Clark," she moaned into her pillow. When the awful shriek continued, she forced her eyes open. She promptly pressed them shut them again when she saw that Clark wasn't there, that he never had been. The memories from last night's confrontation came flooding back to her, and, suddenly, she felt no inclination to get out of bed. However, she forced her body up and off the mattress and eventually made her way to the bathroom and into the shower. After pulling on a white short-sleeve blouse and a brown business skirt with matching blazer, she began to trudge down the stairs but stopped dead at the sight of her husband floating over the couch. He was asleep, but it didn't seem to be doing him any justice. Occasionally, he would stop tossing and turning to mumble something incoherent. Then he would start flopping around again, almost like a fish caught in a net, only the net was suspended four feet over the living room sofa. Dressed as Superman, Clark stood alone in the dark forest. The mist was thick and it engulfed him, threatening to swallow him whole. A breeze tugged gently at his cape. He could hear the distant howl of wolves. He was looking for something but he couldn't remember what it was. No, he was beginning to remember now. It wasn't something; it was someone. But who? He was sure it was a woman. He'd been searching his whole life for her, yet somehow he knew that the search was futile because even when he found her, he could never have her. **Crunch.** **Crunch.** **Crunch.** Clark spun around to find the cause of the noise. The dried leaves and twigs that peppered the forest floor had crunched under someone's footsteps. His eyes widened. It was her. Her slim figure emerged from the fog and she walked steadily toward him. A slight gust of wind tussled her short, chestnut hair. She gazed at him with all the love and longing of her being. But he could see something else in her eyes. It was regret, and maybe even a bit of hurt. "Lois! There you are," he spoke. "I've been looking for you." "I know, Clark . . . I know." Her voice was low and dreary. She continued to move closer and stopped only inches away. She reached for his hands and clutched them. Her hands felt almost as icy as her expression had suddenly turned. "Clark, there's something I have to tell you." Her lips formed the words carefully while her eyes seemed to plead with his for understanding. "What is it, Lois?" Clark asked tentatively. He was becoming wary of Lois's behaviour. She spoke quietly, yet confidently, as if she'd memorized what she was about to say, but didn't really want to say it. "We've made a terrible mistake." "I know, Lois. Last night I said some things I shouldn't have and I'm sorry --" "No, Clark. You were right." "-- that I said them but I wasn't in the best mood and . . . what did you say?" Clark thought she'd said that he was right, but this was Lois who was talking. She never said that. Especially referring to the subject that he thought she was referring to. "I said you were right, Clark." Her eyes held his solidly as she spoke. "I . . . I don't think I understand." Clark was terrified of what he was about to hear. But he knew he wouldn't be able to disagree with her. "I'd be better off with someone else." Her voice was shaking, but she continued nonetheless. "We have no right to be together. We should . . . we should get a divorce." Then there was silence. Even the wolves had ceased their howling as Lois and Clark searched each other's eyes. It was Clark who broke the moment by releasing her hands and looking down. Clark was in despair. He knew that she hadn't wanted to say it, and furthermore, she didn't want to go through with her suggestion. But he also knew he had no right to stop her. The longer they stayed together, the more she was torn apart by the fact that, because of him, she would never be able to bear children. He could never do that to her, and it broke his heart to think that he almost had. "I know, Lois. I'm . . . I'm an . . . alien. I was wrong to think that I had a place here, that we could have a life together. I should never have dragged you into this. I'm so sorry if I've hurt you . . . can you ever forgive me?" "I'm afraid she can't, Kent," an arrogant voice called out from the haze. "The hurt you've caused her is unforgivable." Clark thought the voice was familiar. He squinted to see who it was, but he couldn't make out the approaching figure. "You've hurt her more than any other man. More than Claude, more than even me." The voice was unmistakable, and the figure descended from the fog. "Luthor! What are you doing here?" Clark stepped defensively in front of Lois, blocking her from Lex Luthor's path. "It's okay, Clark." Lois moved to his right side and touched his arm. "I asked him to come." "You?!" Clark was dumbfounded. "Yes, me." Lois left Clark's side, went to Luthor's, and took his hand in hers. "But why?" Clark was horrified at how warmly Lois seemed to be regarding his enemy. "You said it yourself, Clark. You said I'd be better off with Lex." Lex and Lois turned from Clark and began walking back into the mist. "Yeah, but I didn't mean it. I was just trying to prove a point!" Clark pleaded with her. "Come back, Lois! Please! You're making a mistake!" Clark's cries fell on deaf ears as the retreating pair was engulfed by the mist. "NO!! Please, Lois, don't go!! NOOOOO!!!" he screamed. Clark was facing Lois, who was still watching from the middle of the stairwell, when his eyes shot open. Their eyes locked momentarily, and in that instant, Lois's heart ached with pity as she could see all the hurt and pain that was burning inside of him. More than anything she wanted to rush to him, to take him in her arms and tell him that everything was all right, but her pride wouldn't let her. Instead, Clark watched as she fixed her face with a stern look, marched down the remaining stairs and retreated into the kitchen without saying a word. Slowly, Clark floated himself back down to the sofa. He sat up, and took a deep breath. His emotions were a mixture of relief and pain. He was glad that it had only been a dream and hadn't actually happened. Yet, >from that dream, he'd realized something. He was going to have to talk to Lois today. Nothing in the world scared him more than what he had to say to her. He knew that he had promised never to do it again, but he had no choice. He could almost hear his heart begin to break. *** continued in part 3 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:04:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (3 of 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" continued from part 2 * * * "Hey, C. K.!" Jimmy Olsen's cheery voice met Clark as he made his way down the ramp of the Daily Planet newsroom, forty-five minutes late for work. Clark was preoccupied as he negotiated a path to his desk with Jimmy close on his heels. "Hi, Jimmy." The words barely escaped Clark's lips. Immediately after the morning's silent, yet eventful encounter with Lois, Clark's superhearing had tuned into a neighbour's radio broadcasting the report of a serious traffic accident. What had started as a simple fender-bender on the downtown expressway had quickly escalated into a twelve car pile-up which left many people trapped and injured inside their cars. Luckily, it was morning rush hour and the cars were barely at a crawling pace when the accident had occurred, but even that pace was enough to cause substantial damage. Clark had arrived about 10 minutes after the accident -- too slow according to his standards -- and managed to free seven people from their vehicles. Rescue workers had already retrieved six people and had been working on the rest by the time Superman was on the scene. Some had suffered severe, yet non-life-threatening, injuries, while others had only superficial wounds. It was the one fatality that tore at Clark's heart. Long ago he had come to terms with the fact that there would be times when he would be a nanosecond too late, or that he couldn't be in several places at once, but this time it had gotten to him. There had been a four month old baby in one of the bottom cars. The child's parents had survived. They each had experienced some lacerations and a couple of broken bones, but they had survived. The driver of a Ford pick-up truck had rode up on a guard rail, trying to avoid the imminent collision, and landed upside down on the back half of a sedan. Strapped in a car seat in the back, the poor infant had not stood a chance. "Whoa! Earth to Clark." Jimmy noticed Clark's 'absence' in light of his physical presence, and became concerned for his friend. "What's up, C. K.? You have a rough night? You don't look so good." "Ah . . . yeah, I guess you could say that." "Lois said you went to cover that big accident downtown. It must have been pretty gruesome, huh?" Clark had stopped listening to Jimmy at the mention of his wife's name. He hadn't dared to look in the direction of her desk when he came in. He didn't think he could handle seeing her yet. It was scary enough just *thinking* about what things were going to be like with her today. "Uh . . . C. K.?" "Oh . . . uh . . . yeah, Jimmy. It was pretty gruesome. Actually, speaking of the accident, I really have to do the write up for it . . ." "Hey! Have you seen the Chief today? He's in the best mood!" "OLSEN!! GET IN HERE NOW!" "And it looks like I'd better get a move on before his mood changes! See ya around, C. K." Jimmy winked before he took off toward the Chief's office, and Clark sent out a silent thanks to Perry White for providing him with a means of escape. He really didn't feel like dealing with Jimmy's exuberance today. What he wanted was to wake up from this awful nightmare. He'd wake up and Lois would be there to comfort him. He'd tell her about how, in his dream, he had been this alien with strange powers from a planet called Krypton. And that, because of his 'alienness' he and Lois couldn't have children. And then they'd had this fight in the dream, and he had been sure that their marriage was heading down the drain. Then Lois would tell him how silly he was, and that it was only a dream and that he was just as human as the next guy. And if he didn't believe her, all he'd have to do is go into his kids' rooms and see his beautiful, and perfectly human, children sleeping peacefully. However, he knew that wasn't going to happen, no matter how much he wished for it. So he figured the sooner he got 'it' over with, the less it would hurt both of them. He couldn't do it now, though. The middle of a busy newsroom was not the best place to discuss an Earth-shattering event in their personal lives, even if the entire newsroom was bound to hear about it soon enough. He'd have to find a time when he and Lois could steal a few moments alone. However unlikely that may prove to be, it would have to wait until then. So, for the time being, Clark switched on his computer and began typing up the report of the morning's accident. "Hey, Clark! That was some game last night, huh?" Clark swivelled in his chair to find the owner of the animated voice. It was Ted Rickman, the handsome young intern from Metropolis University. In the month Ted had been at the Planet, he and Clark had become good friends. Because Clark was "such a good people person", as the Chief had put it, he had been assigned to show the young man around during his first week. In the beginning, Ted had seemed a little awed, and maybe a bit intimidated to have the infamous reporter, Clark Kent, as his tutor. But once he had been subject to Clark's friendly personality, Ted's shyness had soon faded. In fact, he and Clark had soon discovered they had a lot in common. Football in particular. They were both the only Bills fans in Metropolis . . . or so they joked. "Actually, I missed it." "Oh, Clark! You missed the greatest game of the century! The Bills were down by five with three seconds left and . . . " Clark tuned out Ted's voice when he remembered who *had* been watching it. 'That was odd', Clark reflected on catching his wife watching the game, 'Lois hates football.' For some reason, totally beyond him, she had been watching it anyway. Maybe his enthusiasm for the sport had been rubbing off on her somehow. He quickly dismissed that idea. Lois was her own person and if she didn't like something, that was it. She didn't like it. It didn't matter who you were, there was no influencing that woman on her tastes. Clark knew that better than anyone. And that was one of the many things that he loved about her, her individuality. It was also one of the things he'd miss about her . . . ". . . and then Jones intercepted the pass and ran 57 yards for a touchdown! It was awesome, Clark! I can't believe you missed it!" "I wish I hadn't . . ." "What were you doing anyway? You've been looking forward to the game all week! There would've had to be some kind of international crisis to tear you from the tube last night!" "Something like that." Clark's eyes seemed to be focusing on nothing in particular. Being somewhat more attentive to Clark's body language than Jimmy had been, Ted decided that Clark probably wanted to be left alone. "Well, I guess I'd better be getting back to work. I can hear about a dozen people calling 'Copyboy' right now. I'll see you later, Clark." "Sure, Ted." Clark returned to Earth long enough to smile at his friend before he went on his way. And then it happened. He hadn't meant to, but as he was turning back toward his computer, Clark's eyes had accidentally spotted *her* desk. Sure enough, she was there, working away at what was bound to be her next Kerth Award winning story, if not Pulitzer. She would type for a few minutes, scrunch her eyebrows, and begin leafing through one of the files she'd had sprawled on her desk before going back to the keyboard for a few more minutes. Clark couldn't help but watch as she went through that routine a few times. It was like watching an artist create a masterpiece. Half of the time you had no idea what was going on, and you were sure that she didn't either, but the other half was simply amazing as she put all the pieces together, weaving them into an ingenious piece of writing. It wasn't long, however, before Lois's 'radar' kicked in and she diverted her attention from her work to see who was watching her. 'It's amazing how she does that,' Clark thought. And to his utter dismay, Clark inadvertently smiled when her eyes met his. He hadn't meant to do it; it was just a reflex. What really caught him off-guard, though, was when she smiled back. He certainly wasn't expecting that! Lois didn't forget arguments like last night's in less than twenty-four hours. It was unheard of! Besides, he couldn't have her forgiving him that fast. It would make 'it' way too difficult for him, not that it wasn't already. So, before he could get himself into any more trouble, he turned back to his monitor to continue to work on the accident story. It took a couple of seconds before Clark could collect himself enough to resume writing, but his fingers eventually found their way back to the keyboard and he returned to his morning task. 'Which will soon be an afternoon task if I don't get a move on,' Clark noticed as he glanced at the clock in the upper right corner of his monitor. His resolve to finish his story quickly vanished when he felt a pair of hands come to rest on his shoulders. He didn't have to look to see whose hands they were, only one person's touch could send shockwaves pulsing through his body like that. She leaned over and spoke softly into his ear, "Hey there. Pretty rough morning, huh?" "Uh . . . yeah." Clark almost choked on the words, his throat was so dry. His mind was racing in circles. He wanted to turn and take her in his arms and hold her for the rest of his life. He wanted to tell her about the accident this morning, and how it had hurt so much to not have been able to save that helpless little baby. But he knew that he couldn't. He knew that was another thing he was going to have to get used to living without. "Clark," Lois manoeuvred herself around his chair, pushed the keyboard out of the way, and sat down on his desk so she could face him, "about last night . . ." "Lois, I--" "No, Clark. Let me go first. I really need to say this to you." Knowing that there was nothing anyone, not even Superman -- especially not Superman -- could do when Lois wanted to be heard, Clark just nodded, and she continued in a quiet voice. "All morning I've been thinking about last night, Clark, and . . . and I'm sorry. I was really insensitive and . . . well, I shouldn't have been. I know how much you want a family, and how hard it must be for you considering our . . . situation. And knowing you, the hardest part is probably that you think that you're somehow robbing me of something by being with me . . . something that I didn't even think I wanted until I met you. I just want you to know that, no matter what you may think, just being with you has given me more than I ever imagined I could have. Clark, I never thought I could love anyone as much as I love you . . . never thought anyone could love me as much as you do. And I won't let anything, or anyone, ever take that away from me. Do you hear me, Clark Kent?" Lois's serious tone began to wane as a smile crept onto her face. "You are stuck with me for the rest of your life whether you like it or not!" And that was that. Once again, Lois had stopped him before he could do the most idiotic thing he could ever have imagined doing. Only once, just after Lois's supposed abduction by aliens orchestrated by Bob Fences, did Clark catch her off guard by breaking up with her for "her own good". That hadn't lasted, however. From then on, Lois's 'radar' seemed to also be able to detect whenever he was getting noble on her, and she would squelch his worries about how being with him was unfair to her even before he knew he was having them. Knowing this, all Clark could do was chuckle. "What's so funny, Mister? You shouldn't be laughing. You should be on your knees, kissing my feet, and thanking me for my selfless act of kindness." So Clark did the first thing that came to mind. Without a word, he got down on his knees, gently took her left foot clad in a plain black pump and dangling about four inches above the floor, and removed her shoe. With the whole newsroom watching, having noticed Clark's strange actions, not to mention Lois and Clark watching was, unofficially, the favourite pastime of the Daily Planet's city room, he leaned forward and slowly kissed her nylon-covered toes one by one. Before Lois could catch her breath, he looked up into her wide eyes and declared with absolute sincerity, "Thank you, Lois." Not really knowing what was going on, as usual, but being absolutely enthralled by Clark's performance, the entire newsroom erupted into a thunderous ovation. Still entranced by Clark's strange, yet wholehearted expression of gratitude, Lois didn't even noticed the commotion that had suddenly spread through the newsroom, and was almost oblivious even to Perry White when he emerged from his office in a huff. "What in Sam Hill is going on out here?! Why aren't you all working on your assignments? This is a newspaper, people, not a Broadway performance, now get to work!" At the sound of the Chief's voice Clark quickly rose to his feet and Lois hopped off his desk, both feigning innocence, yet barely noticing their boss's presence in light of each other's. As soon as the occupants of the newsroom seemed to be returning to their respective tasks, and the Chief had safely retreated to his office, Lois grabbed the lapels of Clark's jacket and kissed him hard on the lips. Before Clark had a chance to register this turn of events, and make his contribution, his wife broke off the kiss and winked at him. "Mr. Kent, for that little display just now, you're going to get a *very* special treat as soon as we get home!" With that, Lois strode back to her desk and sat down to work, only briefly glancing back at her grinning husband to give him a seductive smile and a wink. Clark returned his focus to the write-up of this morning's accident with grin on his face. Throughout the whole masquerade, there was one person in the back of the newsroom who wasn't cheering. One person who found the whole display utterly revolting. These recent events weren't going to help his plan. It wasn't going to be as easy as he thought it was. But before he could start devising the necessary alterations to his schemes, someone shouted "Copyboy!" from deep within the newly resumed bustle of the newsroom. * * * Clark hit the 'return' on his key-board and sent his latest piece to his boss's office. After Perry had reappeared from his office to instruct Lois and Clark that their next assignment was to cover Jaxon Xavier's escape, Clark had finally been able to finish and polish up the accident story. Now he could focus his attention on locating his partner who, as expected, was still seated at her desk, examining the contents of one of the file folders piled on top of it. Clark pushed himself to his feet, approached his wife, and leaned on the front portion of the chest-height partition that surrounded the front and left sides of her desk. "What are you working on?" "Huh?" Deep in thought, Lois was startled by her husband's voice. "Oh, I'm just doing a background check on the nurse that was in the room when Jaxon escaped. I thought there might be a connection there, but there doesn't seem to be, at least not that I can see." "Maybe we should be checking the computer for connections . . . it might have been sent by an accomplice, or programmed to short out when the nurse pressed a certain key." "Here you go, partner." Lois pulled a file from the pile on her desk and handed it to Clark. "This is a list of all the companies and stores that provided the Asylum with their computers and all the other electronic equipment they have there." Clark held up the folder and smiled. "Always one step ahead of me." "I know," Lois smiled back. "Someone has to be." Clark's smile faded slightly as he allowed himself to get lost in Lois's gaze for moment. Finally, he forced himself to notice the other files stacked on his wife's desk. "What are all these?" "Information about, guards, prisoners, nurses, doctors, and anyone else at the asylum who might have connections to Jaxon, or to computers in general." "I see you've had a busy morning." "Actually, Ted got these for me. He's been very helpful around here." Clark grinned. "He must have had a good teacher." "Which means his teacher's teacher must have been even better." Lois winked. "And being the great teacher that I am, I instruct you to get to work." She handed him a small stack of files from those on her desk. "See what you can find in these." "Yes, Ma'am." * * * "Ah-ha!" "What?" Lois looked up from her file to see what her partner was exclaiming over. After dividing up the files, the couple had relocated to the conference room where there was more desk space to spread out their information. After an hour of perusing the files, and ruminating on the various ideas they had bounced off each other, Clark pointed to a sheet of paper from the file he was looking at. "You know that little computer store downtown, the one that supplied some of the computers at the asylum, including the one that Jaxon used to breach the security system?" "Helen's Computer Depot? It supplies computers to a lot of schools, corporate businesses, and some other large institutions." "That's the one. Anyway, the owner, Helen Carter, went to Metropolis University." "Yeah . . . so did I." "She went at the same time she'd been dating Lex Luthor." "So . . ." "So . . . she dropped out before she was finished. Do you know why?" "Clark, I'm not the one with x-ray vision . . ." Lois eyed the file under Clark's hands. "Sorry. She dropped out after her freshman year when she found out she was pregnant. I guess she didn't have the means to support herself through college and raise a child at the same time." "And this is important how exactly?" "Her child is the same age as Jaxon . . . *exactly* the same age." "It could be a coincidence." "It could, but this article," Clark gestured to a piece of newsprint in the file in front of him, "is from an edition of the campus newspaper printed while she was there." Clark held up the article for Lois to read the headline and raised his eyebrows. "'The Hottest Couple on Campus'. Obviously this was before I got there to teach them what *real* news is." Clark turned the article around to read an excerpt, "'. . . and the handsome, young, millionaire, Lex Luthor, has found interest in a striking freshman from right here at Met. U. by the name of'--" "Helen Carter," Lois finished for him. "Uh huh. You know what they say about too many coincidences . . ." "It means it's not a coincidence." "Exactly. It says here," Clark gestured to another sheet of paper in front of him, "that her son, Jack Carter, died of SIDS when he was three months old. The official birth certificate listed the father as John Smith." "Ha!" Lois snorted in disbelief. "She might as well have listed him as John F. Kennedy! It'd be more believable!" "Apparently, she was so broken up about her son's death that she moved to Switzerland to live a life of luxurious seclusion. This was around the same time that she ran into a rather substantial inheritance. None of her friends or family heard from her again until she came back to Metropolis five years ago and set up her computer business. That was also around the same time that Jaxon Xavier turned up at Lex Labs, working on a new computer program for Luthor. He was fired shortly after for 'reasons unspecified' and opened up his Virtual Reality Centre, which, by the way, purchased it's computer equipment from Helen's Computer Depot." "This whole story reeks of Lex to me." "Are you thinking what I'm thinking?" "That Lex had a little too good of a time at one of those wild college parties and got his girlfriend pregnant. Then, being the irresponsible creep that he was, he paid her off to say that the child was someone else's. After all, he couldn't bear having his image tainted. Of course, paying her off was probably his last resort after trying to force her to abort the child. Then, I imagine that, if she knew Lex at all, Ms. Carter decided it would be safer to raise her child as far away from him as she could. So she faked her child's death and moved to Switzerland. And when she came back to Metropolis, she set up her little computer business, and shortly after that, a little business for her son. Is that what you're thinking?" Clark nodded. "Then I guess I am thinking what you're thinking," Lois assented. "Unfortunately, all these coincidences mean nothing unless we find concrete proof." "And if there is any, we'll find it." "I don't know about you, but I just got the sudden urge to go computer shopping. Maybe we should pay a visit to Helen's Computer Depot?" Lois rose from her seat at the table. "Sounds like a plan to me." *** continued in part 4 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:05:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (4 of 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" continued from part 3 * * * "May I help you, Ma'am?" a scraggy young man asked Lois as she browsed the 'Entertainment Software' aisle of Helen's Computer Depot. "Actually, yes. My husband's birthday is coming up and, well . . . he's just a little kid at heart and he loves to play video games. There was one in particular that he wanted, but I can't remember the name of it now . . ." Lois let her voice trail off as she placed a finger to her chin and tried with all her might to look like she was trying to remember something. "Doom-something was the name of it, I think." Meanwhile, Clark was roaming the 'Educational Software' section. Finally he came to a stop at the end of the aisle picked up a box containing the latest CD-ROM version of 'Jeopardy!', and held it in front of his eyes. Looking very much like he was inspecting the description written on the back of the package, Clark lowered his glasses slightly, looked through the box, and focused his vision behind a door marked 'Employees Only'. "What kind of computer do you have, Ma'am?" "It's an IBM, I think. I don't know. It's got this little rainbow-like symbol on it that looks kind of like an apple with a bite out of it." "Then it's probably an Apple." "No, it starts with an 'M' . . . .MacDonald . . . MacIntyre . . . " "Macintosh?" "That's it!" "Well, then we'll have to look over here." While the patient employee led her down the aisle to where the Macintosh games were located, Lois snuck a glance at her husband two rows over and whispered, "Find anything yet?" Clark pushed his glasses back into place, turned to his wife, shook his head and shrugged. Placing the box back in its spot on the shelf, Clark turned and began moving towards the exit. "Damn!" "What was that?" The employee turned back to Lois. "Um . . . uh . . . ham! I just remembered that I was supposed to get ham at the supermarket but I forget. I'd better get there before it closes!" Lois spun on her heels and bolted for the door. "But the supermarket . . ." Lois's figure disappeared out the door. ". . . doesn't close for another two hours." The employee shook his head and went to wait on another customer. Lois exited the store only seconds after her husband, and found him waiting for her just outside. "'A little kid at heart?' And I 'love video games?'" "Well, you're definitely still a kid at heart, Boy Scout. And I'm sure I've seen you playing games on your computer when you were supposed to be working on your copy. I just embellished the truth a little." Clark gave her a disbelieving look. "Okay then, next time you can provide the cover while I x-ray the office." Clark chuckled, put his arm around her and gave her shoulder a squeeze. Lois finally gave up on her serious face and allowed herself a snicker. "So you didn't find anything at all?" "Nope. I x-rayed every square inch of her office, but there was nothing that could incriminate Helen Carter in Jaxon's escape, and even less that could connect her to Lex Luthor." Clark touched the small of his wife's back guiding her towards the Jeep. "You know, Lois, it always amazes me how well you do that dumb bimbo bit . . . " "Watch it, Buster!" Lois warned. "Hey, it was a compliment. It must be really hard for a genius, such as yourself, to pretend to be such a ditz." "Well, if I really was a genius, I'd know where to find some concrete evidence to connect Ms. Carter to either Lex or Jaxon. There had to be something in that office that we could use." "I did get her home address. Did you know she lives across the street from us?" Lois stopped in front of her Jeep and turned to Clark with a mischievous glint in her eye. "Was she in her office when you x-rayed it?" "Yeah . . . " Clark was speculative of the look on his partner's face. "Did she look busy . . . like she was going to be there for a while?" "Yes . . . wait a minute, Lois." Clark eyed her suspiciously while she turned away from him, walked around the Jeep, and got into the driver's seat. Warily, Clark opened the passenger side door and got in with her. "Lois, just what, exactly, do you have in mind here?" She just turned and smiled at him after she stuck the key in the ignition and turned it on. But Clark didn't need an answer. "Lois, we are not going to break into this woman's house just for a story, even if we do think she's Jaxon's mother." "It's not like we've never done it before." Lois pulled away from the curb and merged with the late afternoon rush hour traffic. "Lois." "And we wouldn't get caught, not with Superman on the lookout." "Lo-is." "I know, I know. It's a bad idea. But you can't blame a girl for trying. Besides, I have other ideas about what we can do with our time this evening." Clark quirked an eyebrow at the hint of suggestion in her voice and smiled as he relaxed into his seat. "Just don't forget to pick up the ham on the way home." * * * The skyscrapers cast long shadows over Metropolis, warning the city of the evening's approaching darkness. These shadows also provided cover for a young man in a long, black trench coat as he scurried down the street, periodically checking over his shoulder. He sported a Metros' baseball cap with the peak pulled low to shield his face from the passing public. When he spotted the female half of a particular reporting team, he froze in his tracks and hurriedly took refuge behind a newsstand. She was exiting Helen's Computer Depot -- his destination -- to meet her male companion waiting by the door. He watched them walk down the street and load into a silver Jeep Grand Cherokee. He breathed a sigh of relief when the vehicle pulled away from the curb and disappeared into a line of traffic. Pushing through the front door to Helen's Computer Depot, the man's eyes lit up at the sight of the single story electronics store laden with the latest in computer technology. There were shelves upon shelves of various computer paraphernalia. Everything from the machines themselves, to cartoon-themed mouse pads, multi-coloured printer paper, and geometrically-designed storage containers for floppy disks and CD's. In the far right corner, a twenty-seven inch television was mounted to the ceiling displaying the twenty-four hour news coverage of LNN. Below the TV, and immediately to the left, was an inconspicuous door marked "Employees Only". The man scanned the room and upon spotting this door, headed directly for it. "Excuse me, Sir." A thin, young man in a business suit blocked his entrance to the door. "You can't go in there." "Uh . . ." Jaxon was tempted to chew the man out for his obvious ignorance, but thought better of creating a scene. "I'm sorry, Sir. I'm looking for Helen Carter. I thought she'd be in there." "Oh. Is she expecting you?" "Well . . . no. But I'm sure she'd like to see me. Could you get her for me, please?" The employee began eying Jaxon speculatively. "Do I know you?" "No, I don't think so. I . . ." Jaxon's words trailed off as he followed the other man's attention which had been diverted to the television overhead. Jaxon's face appeared in a box in the corner of the screen and the anchorman spoke stoically, ". . . as of this hour, the escaped inmate remains at large. The Metropolis Police Department has asked this station to advise viewers to be on the lookout for this man. If you have any information concerning his whereabouts, please notify the authorities immediately. Do not approach him if . . ." The man looked at Jaxon and then back at the face in the upper right corner of the monitor. Before the man had a chance to consider his options, Jaxon turned and bolted out the front door, and back into the alley from which he had come. * * * The evening's twilight was barely noticeable above the glow of the world's largest city as Lois and Clark made their way, hand in hand, up the front steps to the entrance of their brownstone. "Well, this has been one of the most emotionally demanding twenty four hours I've ever had." Clark smiled ruefully at his wife as the pair entered their house and began shedding their coats. "Well, don't plan on having any more emotionally demanding days for a long time, okay?" "Don't worry, I won't!" "However . . . " Lois let her voice trail off and grinned wickedly at her husband. Facing him, she placed a hand on each of his shoulders and began to gently knead his deltoid muscles. Clark leaned closer, his warm breath caressing her lips, and whispered, "However?" Lois answered him with her lips on his, but broke off the kiss before it could escalate and continued in a low voice, "However, I don't think you should rule out physically demanding." Clark pushed off his wife's brown jacket and, once again, his mouth met hers, this time hungrily. Clark enveloped Lois in his arms as she moved her own arms to encircle his neck, each trying to pull the other closer. As their tongues thrust in and out and swept around each other's mouths, Lois ran a hand through her husband's thick black hair while the other remained wrapped around his neck. Clark's hands roamed over Lois's back, longing to feel the silkiness of her skin, rather than that of her blouse. His hands soon slid their way down her back, under the waist of her skirt, until he could feel the small bump of her tail bone. Lois shivered as Clark's touch grazed the sensitive area sending a wave of pleasure coursing through her body. He then drew his palms across her waist, up her sides, and toward the front of her torso where the buttons of her blouse were located. As Clark fumbled with the top buttons, Lois slid her hands under Clark's blazer and attempted to push it from his shoulders. Clark dragged his eager hands from their task to allow the jacket to fall to the floor. Immediately, Lois began tugging at Clark's tie and soon it joined his blazer in a heap by their feet. Clark moved his lips down to her chin and began to blaze a trail of open-mouthed kisses along her jaw, eventually making his way to her neck. Lois tilted her head to give him better access and moaned with barely suppressed desire. "Mmm . . . Clark. I'd pick this over breaking and entering any day." Clark grunted his acknowledgement as his lips moved back up their original path until they returned to hers, mercilessly. Again, Clark reached for the buttons near the collar of Lois's blouse and had opened the first three before he suddenly stopped and reluctantly drew his lips from hers to look up. "What is it?" Lois asked, slightly dazed and dishevelled. Apparently not hearing his wife's question, Clark continued to superhear the police bulletin that had caught his attention. Knowing Clark would answer her when he was finished listening, Lois didn't prod. A moment later, Clark's focus returned to the woman in front of him and he regretfully began to explain, "It's Jaxon. He was spotted in Helen's Computer Depot downtown a few minutes ago. I'd better--" Lois cut him off by landing a short, but thorough, kiss on his lips. "Go, Clark. But be careful." "Don't worry, Honey." Before Lois could tell him to hurry back, a gust of wind swept through the living room, rustling various light-weight objects, including Lois's hair and partially-opened blouse. Feeling utterly disappointed at her husband's need for departure, yet excited at the prospect of having one less crazed lunatic to worry about, Lois straightened her clothing, smoothed her hair, and headed back toward the door to return to Helen's Computer Depot. She couldn't wait to fit this into her and Clark's story. However, she barely had her hand on the doorknob when the phone interrupted her exit. She contemplated letting the answering machine take the call before she finally decided to get it. She mumbled a few obscenities about being subject to Clark's unerring conscience and its affect on her as she grabbed the receiver. "Hello!" "Hi Lois! It's Ted. Is Clark there?" the voice spoke from the other end of the line. "No, Ted, I'm sorry. He just stepped out. Would you like me to leave him a message?" "No, that's okay, Lois. I'll try again later. Thanks! I'll see you tomorrow." "Bye, Ted." For some reason, a sliver of apprehension had begun to embed itself in Lois as she replaced the phone in its cradle. She immediately shook the feeling off and started heading back toward the door again. This time she had almost made her way though the vestibule before she paused, looked down, and took in her apparel. Realizing her capacity for frequently finding herself in the jaws of death, she decided that her short sleeved blouse, tight knee-length skirt and black pumps were not suitable attire for fighting bad guys and went upstairs to find something a little more appropriate for the occasion. As Lois descended the stairs after changing into a pair of slacks, a mini T-shirt and sneakers, the doorbell rang. "Ugh! I'll never get out of here!" she grumbled to herself. When she peered through the peep-hole and found Ted Rickman on the other side, the uneasy feeling came flooding back to her. Not having any logical reason to substantiate feeling this unsettled, Lois ignored her instinct and opened the door. "Hi Lo--" "Hi Ted! I was just on my way out. What can I do for you? Can it wait until tomorrow?" Lois was doing her best to be polite considering she was anxious to get Ted on his way and out of her hair. "Actually, I was just wondering if I could borrow some sugar." "Sugar?" Lois was surprised at this and took a beat to digest it. She thought people only borrowed sugar from their neighbours in those family sitcoms on television. "Yeah. I had just started whipping up some batter to bake a cake when I realized that I didn't have enough sugar and you know how frustrating that can be." "Yeah, sure." Lois smiled to herself knowing full well that she couldn't remember the last time she had actually attempted to bake a cake, if ever. But, being in a hurry to get downtown, she didn't feel the urge to share this information with Ted. "Let me go see if I can find some. I didn't realize that you bake," Lois stated as she led the way to the kitchen. "Oh, yes! Please don't tell anyone though. If the guys at the office found out I'd never hear the end of it." "Okay," Lois chuckled, "my lips are sealed." Lois entered the kitchen with Ted close on her heels and moved over to the cupboard where the sugar was kept. With her back to her guest, she opened the cupboard and reached up toward the sack of sugar sitting on the second shelf. As her hands reached their destination she felt something cold and sharp press against the front of her neck. She froze as she immediately recognized the familiar sensation. It wasn't the first time she'd been held at knife-point. *** continued in part 5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:05:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (5 of 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" continued from part 4 * * * With a whoosh, Superman landed in front of Helen's Computer Depot in downtown Metropolis. He entered the store and immediately strode over to a nearby police officer who was questioning one of the employees. "Which way did he go?" Clark interrupted in his patented Superman voice. "The employee who recognized him said he ran out the door and turned right. And a few other witnesses said they saw someone running in the general direction of Hob's Bay." "Thanks, officer." Clark launched into the air toward Hob's Bay. Superman soared over the all too familiar section of the city, x-raying every decrepit building and alley. He even looked underground in the abandoned subway tunnels that hadn't caved in during the various encounters he'd had there with other members of the Luthor family. Surprisingly, it took barely five minutes of searching before he spotted a familiar figure negotiating a corner at an all-out sprint in one of the alleyways below. He hesitated as he was about to swoop down to intercept Jaxon. An odd sensation began to nag at his consciousness. Deep in the pit of his stomach he could feel that something wasn't right. It had almost been too easy to find Jaxon. He quickly scanned the immediate area but didn't detect any danger so he shrugged it off and dove into the alley below. * * * "If you so much as breathe the name Superman . . . well, you're a brilliant woman, I'm sure you get the picture." Lois shuddered at the mixture of sarcasm and iciness in Ted's voice. Unfortunately, the subtle movement caused Ted to increase the pressure he used to press the edge of his weapon to Lois's neck. One of Ted's arms gripped Lois's waist, while the other held the knife to her throat. Lois could feel that the blade was very close to breaking her skin and squeezed her eyes shut, willing her husband to hear her silent cry for help. "Oh, Lois, don't be frightened. I'm not going to hurt you. I want you to understand that I love you and I could never hurt you, not unless I was forced to." Lois's voice threatened to crack, but she kept it steady as she spoke her next words. "Then why have you got a knife to my throat? Don't you think you're contradicting yourself here?" "Oh, Lois. Don't you understand? This is the only way. I'm not blind, I've seen you and your husband together, and I just didn't think you'd submit willingly." Though Lois was ravaged with terror, and she was pretty sure she knew what the answer would be, she forced her lips to form the question. "Su- . . . submit to what?" * * * Jaxon's lungs burned as he approach the corner of the alley between Seventh and Lincoln, but he knew he had to get away quickly. The Big Blue Boy Scout was bound to be after him by now. He stole a backward glance as he rounded the corner but was knocked out cold when he collided, head-on, with the Man of Steel. Clark bent down and scooped up Jaxon's unconscious body, a little smug at how easy it had been to catch him, and took off toward the closest police precinct. * * * "Now listen, Lois," Ted's grip on Lois didn't flinch as he spoke, "you can make this easy on yourself and do as I tell you, or you can put up a fight and make it very painful. It's your choice." Ted slowly released his hold on her waist, but kept the knife firm on her neck. "Turn around, slowly." Lois began to turn giving the appearance of compliance, but suddenly grabbed Ted's knife-wielding hand. Unfortunately, she had underestimated Ted's quickness and, before she could twist his arm into hyperextension and knee him in the groin, he had backhanded her across the face with enough force to knock her to the kitchen floor. Lois supported herself with one elbow and, partially out of shock >from Ted's agile, yet powerful, movement, and partially because of the pain that now radiated down the left side of her face, she touched her cheek. She was surprised that she didn't find any traces of blood when she pulled her hand back, but could tell from the resonating numbness that she would definitely have a shiner. This guy was obviously stronger than he looked. Either that, or well-trained in hand to hand combat. "Get up, Lois!" Lois's head shot up toward her captor when his icy voice interrupted her thought. She tentatively slid herself along the floor to the nearby counter and, using it more for emotional than physical support, lifted herself into a standing position. Lois's lips were pursed tightly but her mind screamed, "Clark, I need you!" Keeping the blade directed at her, Ted took two steps toward her. "Now, take your shirt off," Ted ordered. "I don't think so! I'm a --" Lois cut her protests off abruptly when Ted took a relentless grip of Lois's right wrist with his empty hand and lifted his weapon in a threatening manner. "I don't think you're in any position to argue here, Lois. Now do as I say!" Ted dropped her hand and took half of a step back to watch. Lois tried to swallow but her esophagus refused to comply. She could see the menace lurking in Ted's eyes and knew that her customary verbal barb wasn't going to help her out of this situation any better than her physical prowess had. Not in one piece, at least. But she wasn't sure she could live with herself if she didn't try. She closed her eyes and concentrated all of her energy on her inner strength. She focused on Clark. Even if this would be the instance that he didn't rescue her in time, he would still see her through this. It was the only way she could think of surviving her current predicament. In a whisper so quiet that Ted couldn't even detect from mere inches away, Lois declared, "I love you, Clark," and aimed a swift kick at Ted's knife-wielding hand. * * * Superman was still battling the sinking feeling in his gut when he landed at the main entrance to M.P.D.'s west precinct and deposited the now-conscious Jaxon Xavier into the custody of a police officer. Anxious to get home to Lois, and see to her safety, Clark turned to leave. "Superman! Wait!" Clark briefly considered pretending not to hear the detective's call, but his conscience got the better of him and he turned back. "Superman, I'm Detective Williamson. May I ask you a few questions about your encounter with Jaxon Xavier before you go." "Uh . . ." Clark couldn't come up with a substantial reason to refuse the detective. "I guess so . . ." * * * Ted deftly caught Lois's ankle and jerked it back, causing her to tumble backwards, hitting her head solidly on the counter on the way down. "When will you ever learn, Lois? You aren't going to outwit me. You might as well just lie back and enjoy yourself. It'll be much less painful for you that way." Lois stuggled to sit up and rubbed the back of her head wearily as her vision began to swim. "I'll . . . never . . . never let you . . ." Lois lost her battle with the enveloping darkness before she could finish her declaration. "Yes, you will, Lois. Yes, you will." Ted quickly went to work on shredding Lois's his clothes. He slashed the buttons from her blouse, and eagerly spread it open. He used his blade to outline the lattice trim of Lois's brassiere as he admired her stark beauty. "Nice . . . very nice." * * * Relieved that Detective Williamson hadn't kept him more than ten minutes at the police station, Clark soared over Metropolis in the direction of his Hyperion Avenue home. He landed in a nearby alley, careful not to be seen, and spun into his 'Clark' clothes. As he emerged from the alley, approached the front steps and dug into the pocket of his blazer for the keys to his brownstone, his earlier uneasiness came rushing back in full force. Without a second thought, Clark sped through the vestibule, grabbed the handle and ripped the door off its hinges. He was at the source of his worries in less than a second, but found himself frozen again by what he saw. Ted Rickman's head snapped up in Clark's direction when he burst into the kitchen. The young intern was straddled over Lois's near-naked body. He hurriedly zipped up the fly to his jeans and rose to his feet as Clark approached him. Lois had just regained consciousness. Tears streaked down her cheeks as she realized what was happening -- and what had just happened -- to her. In her eyes, Clark could a see a fear like none he had ever seen before. In that instant, all the blood in Clark's body rushed to his head and, before he knew what he was doing, he single-handedly hoisted Ted Rickman by the neck and slammed him against the wall. Even after a few moments of tension-filled silence, Clark didn't notice the clink of the knife hitting the floor after falling out of Ted's listless hand. He was oblivious to the light shade of blue that was colouring his captive's face. He barely even heard his wife's pleas. "Clark! Stop! You're killing him!" Lois could scarcely recognize the face of her own husband as he threatened to choke the life out of her assailer. Although she had to admit that she wouldn't mind seeing Ted Rickman dead, she knew she didn't want her husband to be his murderer. She was sure that Clark would never forgive himself for violating the very thing that he stood for, life. "Clark, please!" Lois begged from her awkward position on the floor. "I hate the guy as much as you do . . . more, actually . . . but you don't want to do this!" As Lois's words registered in his mind, Clark's firm grip of Ted's throat gradually relented enough to allow Ted to gasp for breath. When Clark spoke, his glare remained fixed on Ted and his voice held the ire that was etched on his face. "Call the police, Lois." As Lois scrambled to her feet, afraid that her husband might not hold his restraint much longer, she was momentarily halted by wave of dizziness that accompanied a searing pain in the back of her skull. When the head rush passed, she hurried to pick up her clothes and cover herself while grabbing the cordless phone from the counter and dialling 911. * * * A heavy sigh escaped Clark's lips as he stood in the vestibule and watched the retreating taillights of a squad car. He jammed his hands into the pockets of his trousers and let his shoulders drop as he reflected on the millions of questions that the police had just bombarded him with, particularly the one about explaining how one of the double doors inside the vestibule had been ripped off it's hinges. "It's amazing what adrenalin can do to a person," he had told them. While the police had been questioning him, Lois had, with ice packs pressed to the back of her head and left cheek, been taken to the hospital for a thorough examination. She'd just returned from the hospital and was now upstairs, freshening up. Though she had she suffered a mild concussion, the doctor had okayed her to return home with a promise to take it easy, and to rush back to the hospital should she experience any further dizzeness or nausea. Clark turned to head back inside and was startled when he nearly ran into his wife, who had been heading in the opposite direction. "Hi," he said softly and managed a slight smile for her benefit. "Hi," she matched his smile with one of similar magnitude. "You feeling okay?" "Yeah, I'm okay." However, no longer having to put up a strong front for public faces, she allowed the tightness welling in her throat to turn into a whimper. "Oh, Clark . . ." She reached for her husband and soon found herself swept up in a supportive, yet desperate, hug. A mixture of relief and guilt swept over Clark as he breathed in the sweet, floral scent of Lois's hair. He was relieved that she was alive, safe, and in his arms again, yet guilt stricken that he had been too late to save her from such a violation. He deplored himself for ignoring his instincts when he should know by now that they were usually dead on where Lois was concerned. He couldn't bear the thought that he could have prevented the tears that she now shed onto his shoulder, and began to sob with her. "I'm sorry, Lois. I'm so sorry . . . " Neither of them were sure how long they had been standing on the threshold of the entrance to their home, just holding each other. Eventually, keeping one arm around Clark's neck and the other around his waist, Lois pulled away enough to look at Clark's face. She removed the arm that was around his waist and used the pad of her thumb to wipe away an errant tear. When she'd smoothed away the moisture, she moved her hand to mirror her other one already around his neck while Clark shifted his arms to completely encircle her waist. "Honey --" Clark's voice broke, forcing him to take a beat to collect himself and try again. "Honey . . . I am *so* sorry. I --" Before Clark could launch into a long, yet sincere apology for not saving her sooner, Lois placed her hand over his mouth and cut off his speech. "Clark, it's okay. It's not your fault. You were needed elsewhere. I understand that you can't be everywhere at once. Besides, I should know better than to let virtual strangers into the house." "No, Lois. It's *not* okay. I should have come sooner. I knew something was wrong, I could feel it, but I ignored it . . ." Clark's voice rose and octave as it strained with emotion and threatened to crack again. "I . . . I just wish . . . I should have . . ." The lump in Clark's throat boiled over and he dissolved into tears once again. Lois pulled herself closer to her husband and nestled her face into his neck. Her body shook along with the sobs that wracked his body. She was taken aback by the ferocity of Clark's reaction to the night's events. She'd known he would be chiding himself for not being faster, but this was much more than a simple chiding. What had happened tonight had opened a wound in her husband and she was going to do whatever it took to make it stop bleeding, even if it meant cauterizing it. But she hoped it wouldn't come to that. "Shh," she crooned softly. "I'm here, Honey. It's okay . . . I'm okay." Suddenly Clark's sobs lessened and he raised his head to look at her. Lois met his gaze and Clark's moist eyes searched hers for a moment before he asked, "Are you?" "Yes, Clark, I am. Now that you're here with me." Clark let out the breath he hadn't been aware that he was holding and brought a hand up to cup her right cheek. Her left one was slightly swollen from the blow she'd suffered from Ted Rickman. Gazing into his eyes, Lois leaned into Clark's touch. It was the same caress that had given away his alter ego to Lois so long ago. A caress that would always be so special to them. It was a symbol of his trust and need for her, but most of all, it signified the undying love that had steamrolled into their lives picking up strength after they had broken through the barrier of his secret identity, and continued to grow stronger with each passing moment. It was a love that they each cherished and held onto so tightly that sometimes it hurt. Eventually, Lois pulled Clark's face towards hers and began to kiss each of his tears away. When she was satisfied that she had removed them all, she placed a feather-light kiss on his lips and laid her head on his left shoulder. Clark gently pressed his cheek to her forehead and sighed deeply. "What do we do now?" Lois lifted her head to face Clark. "Now? Now, we get on with our lives. And first on the list is making sure that Ted Rickman spends the remainder of his pathetic life behind bars." Clark gave an ironic chuckle, shook his head and gazed at his wife in awe. "I can't believe you." "What?" Lois looked quizzically at her husband. "What do you mean?" "I mean, you are the one who was . . . uh . . . violated tonight. You are the one who deserves to be comforted yet, here you are, comforting me. I may be able to bench press buses, punch holes in asteroids, and lift space stations into orbit with my bare hands, but you, Lois, are the strongest person in the world. And, Lois . . ." Clark's voice threatened to give out with emotion again. "Yes?" Lois urged. Clark lowered his head to gather his resolve and lifted it again to look intensely into her eyes. "I love you *so* much . . . so much it hurts." "Oh, Clark." Lois reached a hand to cradle his cheek, a mirror of his special touch for her. "I love you, too." Lois used the hand on his cheek to guide his head toward hers and, almost hesitantly, touched his lips with her own. Upon contact, all their apprehension vanished as the couple soon found themselves devouring each other's mouths. Lois pulled back, breathless, but kept her face less than inch from Clark's. "I need you, Clark. I need you to make love to me. Now." "Are you sure that's --" Before Clark could finish his protest, Lois pulled his mouth back down to hers, mumbling against his lips, "I've never been so sure of anything in my life." *** continued in part 6 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:05:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (6 of 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" continued from part 5 * * * Clark lay in bed, wide awake at 6:00 a. m. Lois, partially soothed by their lovemaking, had finally let her exhaustion lull her into a restless sleep. Clark, however, had hardly blinked since then. Usually one of his favourite pastimes was watching his wife sleep. He adored the way her face and body relaxed when fatigue claimed her. With her expression unguarded and the tension of the day finally drained from her limbs, his Little Tornado seemed so vulnerable in her sleep, yet never more beautiful. He felt it was a testimony to the complete trust she had in him. Last night, however, had been different. Though she'd fallen asleep quickly, it had soon been clear to Clark that she was not relaxed. She rolled often, never staying in the same place for more than a few minutes. Her face was constantly contorted in an expression of anguish and an ugly purple bruise marred her left cheek. And once, after she'd rolled onto her left side with her back to Clark, he'd slid a hand around her waist, spooning himself against her. However, instead of her usual sigh of contentment at this action, he'd felt her body go tense with fear. He'd tried to murmur reassurances in her ear, but his warm breath on her face had actually caused her to flinch. In the time since they'd been married, she'd never reacted to his touch like this, even in her sleep . . . especially in her sleep. And, because of this, he knew that, despite his wife's composed demeanour and outward display of inner strength, she'd been deeply wounded. Ted Rickman had broken her trust, the trust that Clark had worked so long and so hard to establish in her. Though Clark figured that, in her head, Lois knew she could trust him, he wasn't sure that her heart still knew it. Now, Lois was once again curled up on her side with her back to Clark while he lay facing her, wishing with all of his might that he could think of some way to soothe her pain. The shrill sound of the alarm clock seared the morning silence, alerting Clark that it was 6:30 a. m. and time to get up and go to work. He numbly rubbed his eyes and groaned as he realized that he had, in fact, finally dozed off . . . five minutes ago. Lois stirred and Clark reached over her to shut off the alarm clock before she started to complain to him for not doing it sooner. Even as Clark was retreating from her side of the bed, Lois was snuggling deeper into her pillow and pulling the covers closer. "Lo --" Lois started at her husband's whisper, causing him to break off his words and pull back the hand that had been going to nudge her shoulder. Lois rolled onto her back and cracked her eyes open enough to see her husband propped on his left elbow, watching her warily. She came more fully awake when she realized that she'd never seen her husband look at her in quite that manner before. "What, Clark?" "Uh . . . I just wondered if you wanted me to call Perry and tell him that we won't be making it into work this morning" "Oh. Uh . . . no." Lois pushed back the covers, got out of bed, and began padding across the room. "No, I'm all right. Besides, we can't stay home today. We have a follow up to do on Jaxon Xavier's capture last night." Lois reached the closet and began pulling out a business suit to wear to work. "Then we have to go down to that computer store again and see if we can talk to . . . what's her name . . . Jaxon's mother?" "Helen Carter." "Right. We have to talk to her. Maybe we can spook her into revealing something." Lois's voice and actions were laden with weariness, and Clark could see it clearly. However, he figured that work would probably be the best thing she could do right now. It might take her mind off last night's happenings. Even if she tried to sleep some more, she wasn't likely to get any rest. "Alright. I'll go make breakfast while you shower." * * * When Lois and Clark entered the newsroom that morning, the tension was palpable. Everywhere they looked, they met the questioning gazes of their co-workers. Though everyone was itching to know, not one of Lois and Clark's fellow employees had the nerve to ask what had happened the night before. All they knew was that the Planet's latest intern had been arrested for rape and that, somehow, Lois and Clark had been involved. Whether they had simply been the first onto the scene as reporters, or if they had happened to stumble across the crime in progress was still a mystery. Although, the shiner on Lois's face was a good indication of which was more likely. Perry White was the sole person who was privy to the story behind Lois's bruised cheek. It irked him that Lois had insisted on working today, but he knew better than to argue with her. He just hoped that the tragedy hadn't affected his star reporting team more than they let on. Lois and Clark, however, had not had any trouble settling down to work. They had retreated to the conference room to pore over the police reports of Jaxon's siting and subsequent capture the night before. They still hadn't found solid evidence connecting Helen Carter to Jaxon or Lex. "This report says," Lois gestured to the file in her hand, "that, according to the computer store's employee on duty at the time, Jaxon came in looking for Ms. Carter." "And why would he being going to see her, unless our theory is right?" "I know . . ." Lois grabbed the pencil that was perched behind her ear and used it to tap the papers in front of her. "Hmm . . . maybe we should just try the direct approach." "What do you mean?" "I mean maybe we should just go down there and talk to her. Maybe we can spook her into revealing something. We've done it before." "Okay . . ." Clark hesitated. "Uh oh. I know that tone." "What tone?" "It's your 'Lois is grasping at straws and I'll humour her just to avoid upsetting her' tone. If you don't agree with me, Clark, why don't you just tell me?" "No, Lois. It's a good idea. We should do it." "Then, what is it?" "What's what?" "That tone." "What tone?" "Clark," Lois admonished. "I don't know what you're talking about, Lois. I didn't use any tone." "There you go again." "What?" "Oh, I get it now." "Get what? Lois, you're not making any sense." "You think that because of what happened last night I'm not up to investigating. Well, let me tell you something, mister. I'm not a China doll. This sort of thing happens to people all the time and they get on with their lives. So will we." "I believe you, Lois. Have I done anything to make you think otherwise?" "Well, no. But you implied it." "Lois, even if I thought you weren't up to working today, would there be any point in me telling you? You'd work anyway, wouldn't you?" "Of course I would." "See. There's no point in discussing it then. Let's just go back to Helen's Computer Depot and see if we can talk to Helen." "Fine," Lois sniffed while raising herself from the chair and picking up her files. "Fine." Clark let out an exasperated groan before he pushed out his chair and joined her in retreating from the conference room. * * * Helen Carter bent over her desk, pretending to study the inventory list her store's clerk had just brought to her. She was contemplating the events of the previous night, revelling in the aftermath of a well executed plan. Yes, Ted Rickman had been a good choice of employee. Ted had fulfilled his duties with the utmost of thoroughness. He had been hired to show Lois what it felt like to be used to satisfy a man's yearning for power and then to be tossed aside like a rag doll. Helen knew better than anyone what that felt like. Lex had had more than his share of power hunger, and he'd not hesitated in showing just how much that was. Even back then Lex's pockets were deep, so when she'd threatened to go to the police, she found herself the recipient of a very lucrative bribe offer. Who cared if Lex had walked away clean from his encounter with her? She'd become a rich woman, especially after she'd told Lex she was pregnant. She wasn't stupid, however. As soon as she'd amassed enough funds, she faked her child's death, moved to Europe and made herself virtually untracable to anyone. If she was going to get even with Lex, she would have to find a private place to put her plans into motion. She'd enrolled Jaxon in the best schools she could find, training him from Day One to fulfill her life's ultimate goal of exacting her revenge on Lex Luthor. What better way to do that than with his very own illegitimate son? A son he didn't even know existed. Even though Lex had been behind bars at the time, she figured her plan to have Jaxon gain control of the world, and then expose the identity of his father would be enough to see Lex die of embarassment. What better way to humiliate the greatest criminal mind of this century than by having his illegitimate son beat him at his own game. But Jaxon, being the incompetent idiot that he was, couldn't even do that right. She'd set everything up for him, given him the computer equipment he'd needed and the access to Lois Lane, but he'd still been unable to pull off his part of the scheme. However, he was her son. She'd almost felt ashamed for having him take the fall for her crimes, and breaking him out that asylum to be her decoy in this one. Unfortunately, after Jaxon's initial failure, Helen's chance to avenge herself was ruined when Lois Lane had, once again, entered the picture. Lois Lane, with help from Superman and Clark Kent, had proceeded to cause Lex's second and final death, preventing Helen from getting the chance to do it. So if someone was going to pay for what Lex did to her, it would have to be Lois. And, so far, her plan had gone off without a hitch. Her useless son was back behind bars and the only threat to her discovery was Ted Rickman. He'd been paid well to remain silent. Even so, when faced with the horrors of prison life, some people tended to talk. She'd soon have to make sure that Ted Rickman was silenced for good. Just as Helen had begun to work out a plan for eliminating Ted Rickman, there was a knock at her office door. Her employee stuck his head in, "Ms. Carter? There are some reporters here to see you. Lois Lane and Clark Kent. They'd like to do a story on the expanding computer market and want to interview you. Is it all right if I send them in?" Helen smiled to herself. She loved getting away with her crimes, especially when it was right under the victim's nose. "Sure, Derek, send them in." Lois came in first followed by the man who Helen could only assume was Clark Kent. "Good afternoon, Ms. Carter." Clark extended his hand to Helen. "Good afternoon, Mr. Kent, Ms. Lane." Helen smiled demurely as she took his hand. She couldn't help but notice how delectable this man was in person. "And please, call me Helen." She was also somewhat amused to notice that Ms. Lane didn't bother to offer her a greeting. "Have a seat," Helen gestured to the swivel chairs that were placed on the other side of her desk. "Ms. Carter," Lois began as she sat down, "we'd like to ask you some questions about the business you run here. Do you mind?" "Of course not, Ms. Lane. I'd be delighted to answer your questions." "Good, then we'll get started. How long have you been in the computer business?" Lois pulled out a notepad and pencil as she spoke. "Let's see now . . . I've sort of tinkered in the business for a long time now, but I didn't get serious about it until I opened this store. That was about five years ago." "Do you know Jaxon Xavier personally? We noticed that you supplied his Virtual Centre with equipment." "Well, I did business with him, so I've obviously met him. I heard about what he did to you Ms. Lane, and I'm very sorry. If I'd known that he was going to use that equipment to harm you . . . well, I wouldn't have sold it to him," Helen lied through her teeth. "That's alright, Ms. Carter--" "Helen, please call me Helen, Mr. Kent." "Ah . . . Helen. That's alright. We know you wouldn't want to harm us." Helen smiled at Clark. "Helen --" "That's 'Ms. Carter', Ms. Lane." Lois raised her eyebrows at Clark before continuing with her question. "Ms. Carter, we couldn't help but notice that you also supply the Insane Asylum with its computer equipment." "Yes, I supply a lot of places with equipment." "Don't you think that it's a bit coincidental that you supplied both Jaxon Xavier's Virtual Centre and the Asylum where he was imprisoned with computers?" "I don't think I like what you're implying, Ms. Lane. Just what are you implying?" "I think you know." "Look, Ms. Lane, if you're here to interrogate, you've come to the wrong place. I run a legitimate business so you're not going to find anything sinister here. If you're looking for that kind of story, you'll have to go somewhere else. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have work to do." Helen got up to usher her interviewers to the door. "We know who --" "Thank you for your time, Helen." Clark received a killer glower for interrupting his wife. "We'll be going now." Helen watched, fuming, as the couple made their way out of her office. She didn't think that it was possible that Lane and Kent could have figured her out. She'd been very meticulous in eliminating any connections her criminal actions may have brought to her. She was going to have to alter her plans once again. Rather than revelling in the thought of the pain she'd inflicted on Lois Lane, she was going to have eliminate her and that scrumptious husband of hers. No amount of revenge was worth it if she was caught. *** continued in part 7 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:05:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (7 of 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" continued from part 6 * * * "Why'd you do that, Clark?!" Lois demanded as soon as they had returned to the street in front of the computer store. "Do what?" "Why'd you cut me off like that? We had her right where we wanted her. She was getting nervous. Couldn't you see that?" "No, Lois, she was getting angry. I would too if someone was accusing me of doing something I didn't do." "She was guilty, Clark! It was written all over her face!" "Even if she was, she wasn't going to tell us anything, Lois. Even you must have been able to see that." "What do you mean 'even' me?" "Lois, please, don't start." "No, Clark, I'm starting. It sounded to me like you were implying something about my interviewing abilities." "Lois, I didn't mean to insult you. I just meant that, sometimes, when you get it in your head that you're right about something, you tend not to listen to reason." "Oh, so you're saying I'm unreasonable." "No, Lois, I'm not," Clark replied, exasperated. "Look, you seem a little tired right now. Why don't we call it a day and head home early. Perry will understand." "I wish you would stop this, Clark." "Stop what?" "You're treating me like I'm some helpless infant." Passers-by began to take notice as Lois's voice raised in volume. "I'm not helpless, Clark. And I'm certainly not an infant. Just because I was raped last night does not mean that I've suddenly turned into a chinadoll. I won't fall to pieces if someone says the wrong thing to me. And I certainly won't shatter just by doing my job!" Clark was speechless at his wife's outburst, and a little embarrassed at the number of people who had seen the lady with the bruised face yelling at him. Lois gawked back at her audience. "What are you looking at?" she demanded of them before she stalked off down the street and got into her Jeep. Clark smiled sheepishly at the crowd. "She's . . . uh, rehearsing for a play." Clark hustled after her before he got any further curious stares. * * * When the hottest team in town stormed into the newsroom after their disastrous interview, it was obvious to Perry White that all was not right. Lines of fatigue were etched on Lois's face as she continually gave Clark the cold shoulder. Clark, meanwhile, was following her around like a puppy with his tail between his legs, apparently trying to earn back her approval. Perry decided that some intervention was called for. Besides that, he had some news he'd just received from the Metropolis P. D. that he had to share with them. He opened his office door and bellowed, "Lane! Kent! My office! Pronto!" He watched, satisfied, as Lois and Clark made a bee-line for his office, making a rare show of taking his orders seriously. "What is it, Chief?" Lois asked as she entered his office, closely followed by Clark. "I received a fax from Inspector Henderson this morning. Ted Rickman was involved in a brawl in his holding cell last night. He was killed." "Alright, Chief, we're on it." Lois turned to go. Clark opened his mouth to protest, but Perry beat him to it. "No, you're not, Lois. These things happen all the time. Even if I wanted to assign my top reporting team to this story, you're way too close to do it." "But, Chief --" Lois began. "No, Honey, that's not why I called you two in here. I thought it was only fair for you to hear that information about Ted, but I called you in here to tell you two to go home." "What?!" Lois was incredulous. "You heard me. I'm sending you and Clark home and you're not to come back until you've worked out whatever it is that you need to work out." "But, Chief--" "No buts, Lois. Now get on out of here." Lois gaped icily at her boss before turning and storming back into the newsroom. Clark watched her retreat to her desk and begin to hastily pack up her things before turning back to Perry. "Thanks, Chief. I've been trying to get her to go home all day." "You're welcome, son. You just make sure she talks to you, okay? She's putting up a valiant effort to look fine, but she's not." "I know, Chief." "Okay. Now get on out of here and don't come back until you're good and ready." Clark nodded before turning to catch up with his wife. * * * The air was thick with tension on the drive back to 348 Hyperion Avenue. Neither Lois nor Clark had bothered to speak since retreating from Perry's office and calling it a day. Lois refused to talk to Clark at all, while Clark simply didn't know what to say to her. It seemed to Clark that, no matter what he said or how he said it, she would find it offensive one way or another. He wasn't sure exactly how things had gotten to be the way they were either. One minute they had been interviewing a suspect and the next they had found themselves in the middle of a full-blown argument. As far as he was concerned, Lois had been her usual tenacious self during the interiew while Clark had provided his typical cautious attitude. Lois, apparently, saw things differently. Clark decided that he was going to try broaching the subject with her again as they entered their home. "Lois, we need to talk." Clark hung up his overcoat and reached for Lois's. "You're right, Clark. I --" "Well, I certainly hope I'm not interrupting anything important." Lois's coat hit the floor as the couple turned and stared in shock at their intruder standing across the room. "I told you she was guilty," Lois mumbled to Clark as he stepped defensively in front of her, keeping a careful eye on the shiny black handgun that was pointing in their direction. "Look, Ms. Carter, I don't think --" "Save it, Mr. Kent. It's a waste of breath." "What do you want with us, Helen?" Lois asked. "I think you know, Lois. Weren't those the same words you said to me earlier? Ironic, isn't it?" "You're Jaxon Xavier's mother aren't you?" "You're right, Lois. I thought you might have figured that out. There's no other reason for a couple of reporters like you to be snooping around my store." Helen sidestepped the sofa as she kept the gun trained on Lois and Clark and approached them. "I can't help but wonder just how much you two know about me?" "It was your equipment that allowed Jaxon to escape from the asylum, wasn't it? You were responsible for his escape, weren't you?" "Oh, Lois," Helen cackled. "Do you think that's all I was responsible for?" "Well . . ." Lois snuck a glance at her partner who was furiously trying to find a way to get them out of the situation without revealing himself. "We weren't sure. Just how much are you responsible for?" "That's a bit bold, don't you think -- asking the villain to admit her guilt? Well, since you're both about to die anyway, I might as well have the satisfaction of telling you. If you think I broke Jaxon out of jail for the sake of motherly love, you'd better think again. He's been a pawn in my schemes all along. Even the Virtual Reality Centre was my doing. That boy hasn't had an original thought in his pathetic life. If I didn't think I'd need him, I would have left him in the asylum where quacks like him belong. But he proved to be a very useful distraction. The boy actually did something right for once by getting caught. Of course, he didn't know that that was why I broke him out." "What do you mean he was a distraction?" Lois asked. "You remember Ted Rickman don't you, Lois? Yes, of course you do. The man was quite cooperative when I offered him a very lucrative reward for his services. As a matter of fact, I made sure he was paid handsomely just this afternoon." Clark's attention snapped back to Helen when he realized the implication of her words. "Did you hire him to rape Lois?" Clark demanded, his dark eyes clouding with ire. "Mr. Kent, why this sudden change in demeanor? I could have sworn you were the gentle type, even to your foes. Anyhow, to answer your question, yes, I hired him. He'd make a great actor, don't you think?" "Clark, relax," Lois whispered warningly as she felt his body tense even more. "We'll get out of this and then Helen will pay properly for her crimes." Clark didn't say anything. He kept his angry gaze fixed on Helen. The only movement he made was provided by the involuntary twitching of his jaw muscles. Helen resumed approaching Lois and Clark, "Well, I know it's a bit cliched to ask, but I'm curious if either of you have any last words." "Actually, there is one thing you should know," Clark's demeanour lightened subtly as Helen stepped within a leg's length of Lois. "What's that, Mr. Kent?" Lois's right foot connected with Helen's gun-wielding hand, knocking the weapon into the air where Clark's hands had been waiting to snatch it out of harm's way. Before Helen's brain had a chance to process what was happening, Lois's fist landed cleanly on Helen's left temple, knocking her out instantly. Clark stood over Helen's limp body and answered, "Never get within kicking distance of an angry Lois Lane." Lois chuckled as she picked up the phone and began dialling the police. "You are so corny, Clark Kent." Clark smiled at Lois in return. "And you wouldn't have me any other way." * * * For the second time in two days, Clark Kent stood at the front door and watched a squad car carry a criminal away from his home. Things were as they should be. Ted Rickman was dead, and Jaxon Xavier was, once again, rightfully behind bars. And now, with the information Lois and Clark had provided thanks to Helen Carter's confession, the police were sure that they'd be able to find enough incriminating evidence to convict Helen Carter for one lifetime, if not more. Yes, Clark was pretty sure everything was right with the universe for the time being. Almost everything, anyway. Lois approached him from behind as he closed and locked the front door. "Do you think we're finally going to have a chance to be alone now?" "I hope so. I really think we should talk." "You're right. You go soundproof the house while I disconnect all the phones," Lois joked. Clark smiled, but then his demeanour turned sombre again. "I don't really know how to say this, Lois, but . . . I know you say you're fine, but I don't think you are." Clark held is breath as he waited for his wife to explode into another explanation as to why she really was fine. "I know I was a little on-edge before. I shouldn't have blown up at you in the street like that. But I'm fine now, Clark. Really, I am." "It wasn't just that, though, Lois. Last night . . ." Clark hesitated. "Last night, after we made love, you were . . . different." Clark wasn't sure exactly how to word what he was about to say. "What do you mean?" "I mean, after you went to sleep, you seemed like you didn't want me to be there. Whenever I tried to put my arm around you, you'd flinch and pull away. And the expression on your face . . . . It nearly killed me when you kept pulling away from me like that, but to see you looking so pained . . . I just don't think I could handle another night like that." Lois was horrified by Clark's words and the implications they seemed to have. "You couldn't handle another night like that? Are you . . ." Lois's voice quivered and she took a beat to recover it. "Are you going to leave?" A lone tear slipped down her cheek. "What?! No, Honey, of course not." Clark reached for her and she welcomed the shelter of his arms. "You know I'd never do that," Clark whispered into her hair. "I'm so sorry, Clark. I didn't mean to pull away from you last night. I didn't know --" "It's not you're fault, Honey. You don't have to apologize. You should never have had to go through what you did. I should have gotten there in time. I should have saved you. I don't blame you if you don't trust me anymore. How can you?" "Clark," Lois raised her head from his shoulder to meet his eyes, "of course I trust you. After all that we've been through, how could you doubt that?" "You didn't see the way you looked last night, Lois. I don't blame you for it, though. I'm supposed to be Superman, protector of the innocent. If you can't count on me to protect you, how can you count on me for anything else?" "Clark," Lois was distraught at the self-loathing tone in her husband's voice, "we both know that you can't be in two places at once. I once told you that whatever you can do is enough because the fact that you even try gives people hope. You may not have been there to stop Ted Rickman, but you got me through it. Throughout the whole ordeal, it was the thought of you that kept me going. The thought that you would be there to comfort me when it was over, that you would still love me no matter what happened, saw me through what was probably the worst thing that's ever happened to me. Before I met you, I don't know if I could have handled going through something like that. But, now, you give me the will to live even when I'm not sure that I want to anymore. Sure, I may have physically been able to survive something like that before you, but my heart would have died a long time ago." "Lois . . ." Clark, overwhelmed with emotion, was unable to articulate a response. Lois squeezed her arms tighter around her husband and buried her head in his shoulder. "I love you, Lois." "I know. I love you, too." That night, Lois and Clark didn't make love. They just held each other and savoured one another's presence as they drifted into a blissful slumber. More soothing to Clark than any of Lois's words was the fact that, when he woke, Lois was still cozily snuggled in his embrace. The anguish on her face from the night before had been replaced by contentment. He thought she'd never looked more radiant. * * * ONE MONTH LATER . . . The second time the nausea hit her, Lois was at the coffee station. She'd just finished bidding her husband farewell as he'd rushed out to save the day. She made a mad dash for the ladies room before emptying her breakfast into the toilet bowl. It seemed that she couldn't keep anything down these days. She assumed that this was why she was suffering from an abnormal bout of fatique lately, her body just wasn't getting the nutrients it needed from the food she ate. And then, as she was rinsing her mouth at the sink, it hit her like a freight train. In the aftermath of Ted Rickman's attack on her, and putting Jaxon and his mother behind bars, she'd neglected to notice that she was behind on her menstrual cycle. More than two weeks behind. "Oh, God. It can't be," Lois said as she braced herself on the sink. But she knew that it was. She knew what the results would be even before she managed to numbly make an excuse for her early departure, find her way out of the Planet building, into a drug store, and home with a good selection of pregnancy tests. Somehow this knowledge still didn't prepare her for the shock of staring at the offending stick as it indicated positive several times over. What was she going to tell Clark? How would he take it? Surely the thought of his wife carrying another man's child would disgust him. It certainly revolted her. What was she going to do? She didn't think she was capable of killing an innocent child, but she couldn't help but worry that keeping the child would cause a permanent rift between her and Clark. She needed advice, and she needed it fast. *** concluded in part 8 . . . finally! ;) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:05:41 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (8 of 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" continued from part 7 * * * Martha Kent was reaching for the door handle, just about to go into Smallville to pick up some groceries, when the ringing phone stopped her. "Hello?" she spoke politely into the receiver. "Hi, Martha. It's Lois." "Oh hi, Honey. What's the matter? You sound upset," Martha worried at the urgent tone in her daughter-in-law's voice. "Oh, it's . . . ah . . . it's nothing, really. It's just, well . . . it's just . . . . Oh, I don't know if I should tell you," Lois spoke nervously, on the edge of babbling. "You know you can tell me anything, Lois. I'm here for you." "Oh, Martha. I don't know how this happened. Clark and I have been trying for so long. And then this happened, and I'm not sure what he'll think. I don't know if he'll ever want to look at me, let alone touch me ever again if he finds out, but he'll be mad if I don't tell him. I just don't know what to do." "Lois, dear, calm down. Everything's going to be fine. Now, can you tell me what's going on?" "I'm sorry, Martha. I'm just . . . scared. Do you remember who Ted Rickman was and what he did to me?" "Of course I do, dear. How could I forget something like that?" Martha wondered why Lois might bring up his name again. "He's not still alive, is he? Is he after you?" "Oh no, he's still dead. No, it's not that." "Well, what is it then, dear?" "I'm pregnant," Lois blurted. "Well, that's --" Martha had been about to say it was great news, but she stopped herself as realization struck. Lois and Clark weren't able to have children, so that only left one other possiblity. "You mean, you're pregnant with . . . *his* child?" "I think so. Dr. Klein said that it wasn't possible for Clark and I to have children. Oh, Martha, what am I going to do? I don't know how to tell Clark. I love him so much and I just know that this is going to break his heart. I don't know if I could go through with an abortion, but I don't know what else to do. I don't want to lose Clark." "Oh, Honey, you won't lose him. Clark loves you and he'll stick with you no matter what you decide." "But I know how much he wants to be the father of my children. Are you sure he'll be able to handle this?" "Lois, you have to remember that it's your children Clark wants to be the father of. He loves you more than anything, and he'd love to create a new life with you as a result of that love, but he'd never let anything like this come between you two. You're way too important to him for that." "Oh, Martha, thank you so much. I think I knew that, I guess I just needed to hear it from someone else." "You're welcome, dear. That's what I'm here for." "Thanks again, Martha. Bye." "Good bye, Honey." Martha replaced the receiver in its cradle and sighed. Those two kids had an uphill climb ahead of them, but she had no doubt that they could come out on top. * * * Lois paced the brownstone restlessly, waiting for her husband to return from his latest rescue. She figured that as soon as he returned to the newsroom and discovered from Perry that she'd gone home, he'd be along to check on her right away. Overcome with impatience, Lois picked up the receiver to call the Planet and inquire after her husband, but was stopped short by the familiar whooshing sound provided courtesy of Superman. Superman entered through the usual window in the living room, and had spun into Clark by the time he stepped down from the window sill. "Hi, Honey. Perry said you left in a rush. Is everything all right?" When Lois just stared back at him wordlessly, he knew something must be seriously wrong. Lois was rarely ever speechless. "What is it?" Clark rushed to her side, concerned. "Clark, I don't know how to tell you this, so I guess I'll just come right out and say it." Lois paused. "Yes?" Clark prodded. "I'm pregnant." Lois waited apprehensively for Clark's response. Clark wasn't sure what to feel. He was elated and distressed all at once. He'd always wanted to be a father, but he was pretty sure that this child wasn't, couldn't be, his. "Well . . . uh . . . have you been to a doctor?" Clark's practical side took over first. "No, not yet. I just found out this morning." "Well, we should do that right away, I guess. It'd be best to get it confirmed as soon as possible. And then the doctor could prescribe you some prenatal vitamins or something, and get you started on a healthy regimen." "Yeah, I guess. But what if . . . I mean, there is always a chance that the baby is yours. What if the doctor finds something abnormal about the baby and gets suspicious? Should we maybe go to Dr. Klein with this?" "Well, we'll just have to cross that bridge when we come to it. We may not even have to cross that bridge at all, so it'd probably be best just to treat this like a normal pregnancy until something suspicious arises. It might seem even more suspicious if we went to Dr. Klein. He's not a trained OB-GYN. He's not even a practising doctor. People would wonder why we'd go to him instead of a regular doctor. Besides, I think we both know that there's very little chance that this baby is even mine." "I . . ." Lois began, but a sob choked off her words. "Clark, I'm so sorry . . . I never should have let him in that night. I knew something was up . . . I just ignored it. It's all my fault!" Lois dropped her head into her hands as the tears fell unabashed down her cheeks. "Shh," Clark soothed as he offered his arms to Lois, who willingly accepted his embrace. "Lois, Honey, it isn't your fault. There is no way in the universe that it could ever be your fault. You have to understand that." "But Clark, I--" "No." Clark placed a finger to Lois's lips while the other hand held her close. "No 'buts', Honey. We've been over this many times. Ted Rickman is the one who held the knife to your throat. He's the one who threatened your life. He's the one who . . . who . . ." Clark was unable to find the words to finish. ". . . raped me." "Yes. But, the point is that it's *his* fault, not yours, not mine, not anyone's but his." "If it's his fault, then why do I feel like I'm the one who's paying for it?" Clark breathed out a heavy sigh. He had no answer to that question. He placed a gentle hand on Lois's cheek and spoke in a voice borne of pent up emotion, "Oh, Lois." "Clark . . ." Lois began hesitantly. "Clark, if the child isn't yours, I don't think I could bear it. I don't know if I could look at him . . . or her and not remember what . . . what Ted Rickman did to me. How could I be a good mother to that child? How could I love that How could you love that child? Oh Clark . . ." Lois buried her head in Clark's chest as she let her despair swallow her words. Clark was silent for a moment before he nudged Lois's chin up from his chest. "Lois, whatever happens, I want you to know that I will be here with you. I will *never* leave you and I will *always* love you. This baby may not have my genes but it will be a part of you. Lois, you are my heart, and anything that is a part of you, is a part of me too. No matter whose genes this baby has, I will be the father because you are the mother and nothing else matters to me." "Oh, Clark . . ." The couple buried themselves in another eternal embrace, each relishing in the mere fact that the other was there. * * * FIVE YEARS, 8 MONTHS LATER . . . "Happy birthday to you! Happy birthday to you . . ." Clark swung into the dining room carrying a double-layer chocolate cake with candles glowing nearly as bright as the red, yellow, and blue icing Lois had managed to whip up. He set the cake in front of the dark haired boy who was seated at the head of the table in honour of this special occasion. "Happy birthday dear Je-eff! Happy birthday to you!" Lois completed her rendition of the birthday song and sat down to the left of the birthday boy, across from Clark. "Now don't forget to make a wish, Honey." "Of course I won't, Mommy!" Jeff sucked in his breath, puffed his cheeks, and blew his breath out as forcefully as he could. The breath was more than enough to extinguish the five candles. "Yay! Look, Daddy, I did it!" "Nice job, Jeff! What did you wish for?" "Clark!" Lois admonished. She turned to her son. "Don't pay any attention to your father, Jeff. You're not supposed to tell anyone what you wished for or it won't come true." "You mean I can't tell Daddy that I wished to fly just like Superman?" "Uh . . ." Lois smiled and shook her head. "Yeah, Honey, that's what I meant." "Okay, I won't." Jeff turned to face Clark. "Sorry, Daddy. Mommy says I can't tell you what I wished for." Clark chuckled and winked at his wife, "That's okay, Jeff. I understand." "Well," Lois sighed, smiling, "who wants cake?" "I do! I do!" * * * After the presents had been opened, the leftovers put away, and the dining room cleaned up, Clark carried Jeff up to his room for bedtime. One of his favourite pastimes was tucking his son into bed. Even though it wasn't likely that he was Jeff's genetic father, he knew he couldn't love his son any more than if he was sure Jeff was his own flesh and blood. He and Lois had tried over and over to conceive another child, but had been doomed to failure every time. Dr. Klein's subsequent fertility tests had upheld the conclusion that it was impossible for Clark to be Jeff's father, that Clark would never be the father of Lois's children. But when he looked down into his son's deep brown eyes and saw the unconditional love shining there, he knew that none of that mattered. All that mattered was that he and Lois were together, and that the brightest, cutest little boy in the world was theirs. Clark reached to brush and errant lock of hair from his son's eyes as he snuggled deeper into his bed. "Daddy?" "Yes?" "I'm not tired, can I stay up?" "No, Squirt. I'm sorry, you can't. Mommy won't like it if you're cranky tomorrow morning. She has a hard enough time with mornings as it is." "I won't get cranky. I promise." Jeff curled his lower lip and gave Clark a dose of his own puppy dog eyes. It was almost enough to bend the Man of Steel. "Well . . . no. I'm sorry. Mommy will get me in big trouble if I let you stay up. You don't want Mommy mad at me, do you?" "No, I guess not." Clark bent and kissed his son's forehead. "Goodnight, Son." "Goodnight, Daddy." Clark got up, turned out the lamp, and headed for the door. He was halted by his son's voice just as was he going to pull the door closed. "Daddy?" "Yes?" "I love you." Clark smiled and sighed. "I love you too, Jeff." Gently, Clark closed the door to Jeff's room and headed for his own where he knew his wife would be waiting for him by now. When he entered the master bedroom, he was happy to see Lois still awake. She was sitting up in bed with the blankets pulled to her waist. The bedside lamp was turned on and cast a glow over her as she sat engrossed in her latest romance novel. "Well, Jeff's asleep . . . or he's trying to be anyway." Lois looked up and smiled at her husband. "You mean he didn't con you into letting him stay up a while longer. Why, Clark, if I didn't know better I'd say you were growing stern in your old age." Clark chuckled and pulled back the covers as he got in next to Lois. "No, just smart. I'm starting to learn how not to get trapped in my wife's warpath, and making sure our son isn't tired and cranky in the morning is one way." Lois giggled, set her book on the night stand and snuggled closer to Clark. "You're just figuring that out now? Gee, Clark, I'd have thought that after almost seven years of marriage you'd know how to stay in my good graces by now." "Yeah, so would I," Clark mumbled with a grin on his face. Lois slapped his bare chest playfully, before snuggling in again and laying her head on his shoulder. Clark let out a long contented sigh. "What?" Lois asked. "Oh, I was just thinking about how lucky I am. Here I am, married to the most wonderful woman in the world with the greatest son a man could ask for. I don't think my life could get any better." "I can think of one way I might be able to make your life a little better," Lois teased as her hand slid seductively down Clark's chest, finding its destination underneath the waistband of his black silk boxers. "Lois," Clark breathed huskily at his wife's touch. "Mommy! Daddy! Guess what?" Lois quickly withdrew her hand and sat up to prepare to lecture her son for getting out of bed. Her words were cut off by Jeff's excited exclamations. "My wish came true! I can do it! I can fly just like Superman! Watch!" And, sure enough, to his parents' utter astonishment, he was able to levitate himself a couple of inches from the floor. . . . not nearly the end!!! Comments and questions are welcome and appreciated!! :) Karen Ward ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:44:10 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Marilyn Puett Subject: Re: WAY off topic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain RE: www.hamsterdance.com I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was a bad morning and I need that so bad. Thanks. SuperMom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:55:10 -0500 Reply-To: bird@sentex.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Bird & I Company Subject: Re: WAY off topic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Its a great site! Enjoyed it! Needed a little picking up today. Sue > http://www.hampsterdance.com/ > > it'll bring a smile to anyone's face. Happy > fanficing! > > farah :) > farah@chisham.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:56:15 MST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEBRA GRAY Subject: Re: [WAY off topic] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oooooh Farah! This is a wonderful site. ROTFL:) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:42:44 -1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: Re: WAY off topic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ooohhhh! that was adorable!!! My son and I were laughing all morning!!! jme Farah Meitzen Chisham wrote: > Okay guys. Sorry for posting this way off topic > er.. topic. However, if you know anyone who's > having a bad day, just show them this website: > > http://www.hampsterdance.com/ > > it'll bring a smile to anyone's face. Happy > fanficing! > > farah :) > farah@chisham.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:19:14 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Kelsey J. Croft" Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I don't know about how the Nanny characters fit in, (I don't watch that show) but I'd be willing to guess that if you can find some major similarities between earlier Lois and Clark episodes and the X-Files (two partners battling shadow figures-the Syndicates, Lex, and Intergang; while secretly falling in love to name one) you can porbably draw some minor similarities between the X- Files and the Nanny. Just thought I'd mention that. Kelsey ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:24:18 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Kelsey J. Croft" Subject: FoLC lore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think I've noticed a couple authors (including me) naming Lois and Clark's son Nathan, then having him go by Nate. Kelsey ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:58:43 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Linda Mason Subject: [NFIC]Re: FoLC lore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The nfic authors obviously believe that Clark is a gentleman, as I think almost every one has him letting Lois 'finish' first. == Linda Mason deanishot@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:25:17 +0000 Reply-To: wbarbara@execpc.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Barbara Knutson Subject: Re: [NFIC]Re: FoLC lore Linda Mason posted....... > The nfic authors obviously believe that Clark is a gentleman, > as I think almost every one has him letting Lois 'finish' first. > > Of *course* he's a gentleman - he's a SuperHero! It's part of The Code...... Barbara married to her own......... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ wbarbara@execpc.com WAFFyBarb on IRC Brand-new-wife of Jon Knutson - the most wonderful man alive And a believer that fairy tales *can* come true.... check out his website, since Tripod won't let me into mine http://www.execpc.com/~waffyjon/index.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:11:55 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melissa Day Hall Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm gonna be real candid here, and I don't want to offend anyone, but I feel the need to air my thoughts. This fic left me rather disturbed. If you haven't read it yet, please be warned that while there is not much overt violence in the fic, a rape does occur 'offscreen'. It sneaks up one you- you think that of course Clark got there in time, after all, this is Lois we're talking about, but a few pages after the fact, it hits you like a runaway freight train. Rape is a serious subject, and I believe that Karen realizes that. However, the treatment she gave it, while thoughtful, merely skimmed the top. The ending of the fic as well, gave me pause. While I understand the need to wrap things up in a great big waffy finish, I felt that it was merely pasted on, and it detracts greatly from the impact of the rape incident. This is not to say that I will not read a fic about rape, or with a rape in it. But I urge all authors who wish to tackle such a subject to treat both the subject and the reader's sensibilities with care, and warn us before proceeding. Misha (mhall@sound.net) - - - - - "Pay no attention to what the critics say; no statue has ever been put up to a critic." -- Jean Sibelius ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:42:20 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Misha wrote: >I'm gonna be real candid here, and I don't want to offend anyone, but I >feel the need to air my thoughts. > >This fic left me rather disturbed. > >If you haven't read it yet, please be warned that while there is not much >overt violence in the fic, a rape does occur 'offscreen'. It sneaks up one >you- you think that of course Clark got there in time, after all, this is >Lois we're talking about, but a few pages after the fact, it hits you like >a runaway freight train. > >Rape is a serious subject, and I believe that Karen realizes that. However, >the treatment she gave it, while thoughtful, merely skimmed the top. The >ending of the fic as well, gave me pause. While I understand the need to >wrap things up in a great big waffy finish, I felt that it was merely >pasted on, and it detracts greatly from the impact of the rape incident. > >This is not to say that I will not read a fic about rape, or with a rape in >it. But I urge all authors who wish to tackle such a subject to treat both >the subject and the reader's sensibilities with care, and warn us before >proceeding. > >"Pay no attention to what the critics say; no statue has ever been >put up to a critic." -- Jean Sibelius While I wasn't at all disturbed by the fic and thought it was a well written and worthy story, I do agree with you to some degree Misha. I did feel that Lois got over the experience far too easily. Women - not even strong, fiesty women - don't just find it that easy to set such an appalling act aside. True, Lois has often been seen to have the knack of compartmentalising her emotions and feelings when it's necessary to get the story out, but I think this was one occasion when she would be unable to put the events in her personal life on the back burner until after the take. I don't feel that Karen trivialised the subject matter, I get the firm impression that she was already concerned that the story was becoming too long (awk, how can a fanfic *ever* be too long? It's a non sequitor IMHO) and was already trying to pare it down. Which, unfortunately, led to the skimming of the aftermath of the rape. I think that's where she did herself a dis-service and I personally would have liked to have seen a longer story where she could have given herself time to properly explore the trauma both Clark and Lois would feel after such a violation. I know from how well she has tackled the story as it stands that she would have done an excellent job of it and made it real. I liked the waffy ending. It didn't seem to me that it was pasted on at the end or detracted from the trauma that had gone before it, because this was, after all, five years, 8 months down the line. Perhaps, Karen could separate it out further from the main bulk of the narrative by tagging it as an epilogue? Or perhaps it's just that a little more balance is needed and if more time is devoted to the trauma in the aftermath of Lois' ordeal then that would help. Alternatively, it might be a solution to reduce the trauma by having Clark arrive in time. For the purposes of such a story, near rape is almost as traumatic as rape, but the healing process would be easier to explore and a 'happy' ending easier to maintain. Lois would feel as violated but the consequences would be less difficult to write. It's precisely for that reason that I myself am not going so far as actual rape in the nfic I will hopefully be working on in the future, RIPPLES, but to the brink and no further. I don't think I could find a happy ending if Lois was actually raped, but, after a lot of angst and trauma and soul searching, I can get our heroes to the point of at least hope of a happy ending in the future if she is almost raped in traumatic circumstances. And, okay, I'll admit it, much as I love angst (so long as it works out in the end) and putting our heroes in difficult situations, I don't think I could bear, personally, to have Lois raped. Not in one of my stories. I do admire other authors for having the courage to tackle such sensitive, difficult subjects though. And I agree with your quote, Misha! Thanks, Karen, for letting us read your story. I can see that you are going to be a formidable talent in the coming years, even more than you are now. When I think of how long it took me to get to the same stage you are at now........ Certainly, I was far >from there on my second outing, put it like that! LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:53:08 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: out of curiosity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/11/99 9:45:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes: << Debby Stark has mentioned Lois's birthday several times in her Dawning series >> And I'll say it again, every single episode in the Dawning series is a gem in some way. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:53:30 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: OT: Speaking of TV Directors... ;) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/14/99 12:40:20 AM !!!First Boot!!!, demona@SHAW.WAVE.CA writes: << Anyway, I thought it was a great quote for that thread, myself. ;) Demi >> Fascinating Demi. Thanks, Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:54:39 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: out of curiosity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/14/99 2:25:54 AM !!!First Boot!!!, debby@SWCP.COM writes: << Very impressive that she isn't contradicting herself left and right.) I've realized a few cases but it's mostly to do with character names. Fortunately(?), in the biggest city in the (comic book) world, there are bound to be people with the same first name :D >> You realize of course if you did, all of us readers would scream. Just kidding. <> It doesn't show. If I have any complaint - yeah right - It's that I kinda wish you would 1) get the two of them engaged and eventually married, but you can take all the time you need for this. And 2) a wish to know if another slime monster will ever appear again (Sorry, Clark I know the fighting was a ...) Don't be bored with the series - I'm not. LOL Charlotte - who could nominate nothing else in the series category except Dawning. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:13:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: out of curiosity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Charlotte writes: I agree. I can't wait for the next installment. Keep up the good work. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:21:04 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: [NFIC]Re: FoLC lore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/17/99 1:59:23 AM !!!First Boot!!!, deanishot@YAHOO.COM writes: The nfic authors obviously believe that Clark is a gentleman, as I think almost every one has him letting Lois 'finish' first. == Linda Mason deanishot@yahoo.com Great comment. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:27:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I'm gonna be real candid here, and I don't want to offend anyone, but I >feel the need to air my thoughts. > >This fic left me rather disturbed. Oh dear . . . sorry. :( >If you haven't read it yet, please be warned that while there is not much >overt violence in the fic, a rape does occur 'offscreen'. It sneaks up one >you- you think that of course Clark got there in time, after all, this is >Lois we're talking about, but a few pages after the fact, it hits you like >a runaway freight train. > >Rape is a serious subject, and I believe that Karen realizes that. However, >the treatment she gave it, while thoughtful, merely skimmed the top. The >ending of the fic as well, gave me pause. You're absolutely right, Misha. From the very beginning, I was wary of this fic because the last thing I wanted to do was to make light of the issue. I was afraid that I wouldn't be able to write this traumatic subject with the depth it deserved and, apparently, my fear was not unfounded. >While I understand the need to >wrap things up in a great big waffy finish, I felt that it was merely >pasted on, and it detracts greatly from the impact of the rape incident. I'm afraid that I have to disagree here. I didn't think that there was any other possible ending. It shows the depth of Clark's devotion and unerring ability to love, and, at the same time, L&C get the happy ending that they deserve. >This is not to say that I will not read a fic about rape, or with a rape in >it. But I urge all authors who wish to tackle such a subject to treat both >the subject and the reader's sensibilities with care, and warn us before >proceeding. You know, I had meant to put a warning in the foreword, but somewhere between writing, editing, editing, editing, and writing, my slippery memory let that particular intention slide right out the window. I'll be absolutely sure to add such a warning to any future controversial fics; however, I doubt there will be any of those coming from my processor in the near future. I think I'm in the mood for something light and fluffy now. ;) Thanks so much for taking the time to share your sentiments, Misha. Your comments mean a lot to me, and I'll be sure to take them into account when I rewrite "Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue". Thanks again! :) Sincerely, Karen :) who's going on *very* little sleep at the moment and hoping that her thoughts sound more coherent to other people than they do to her ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:27:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue In-Reply-To: <008901be5a6e$fd5103c0$183470c2@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >While I wasn't at all disturbed by the fic and thought it was a well written >and worthy story, I do agree with you to some degree Misha. I did feel that >Lois got over the experience far too easily. Women - not even strong, fiesty >women - don't just find it that easy to set such an appalling act aside. >True, Lois has often been seen to have the knack of compartmentalising her >emotions and feelings when it's necessary to get the story out, but I think >this was one occasion when she would be unable to put the events in her >personal life on the back burner until after the take. You're absolutely right, LabRat. I had no intention of implying that Lois simply set it aside. However, it seems that between my brain and the computer, something got lost in the translation. That wouldn't be the first time that's happened. ;) >I don't feel that Karen trivialised the subject matter, I get the firm >impression that she was already concerned that the story was becoming too >long (awk, how can a fanfic *ever* be too long? It's a non sequitor IMHO) >and was already trying to pare it down. Which, unfortunately, led to the >skimming of the aftermath of the rape. I think that's where she did herself >a dis-service and I personally would have liked to have seen a longer story >where she could have given herself time to properly explore the trauma both >Clark and Lois would feel after such a violation. I know from how well she >has tackled the story as it stands that she would have done an excellent job >of it and made it real. Thanks for the vote of confidence! :) I think you hit the nail on the head with the comment about me fearing that the fanfic was getting too long. I've been working on it, on and off -- but mostly off, since June of '97 (about a week after the series finale aired here in Canada) and was worried that I'd never finish. The more I thought about the fic, the longer it seemed to grow in my mind, but not on paper, and I suppose I got to the point where I was afraid that if I didn't finish it soon, we'd be looking at a War and Peace length fic. >I liked the waffy ending. It didn't seem to me that it was pasted on at the >end or detracted from the trauma that had gone before it, because this was, >after all, five years, 8 months down the line. Perhaps, Karen could separate >it out further from the main bulk of the narrative by tagging it as an >epilogue? Or perhaps it's just that a little more balance is needed and if >more time is devoted to the trauma in the aftermath of Lois' ordeal then >that would help. I agree with your comments here, LabRat, and sincerely hope that I'll be able to implement them sometime in the near future. >Alternatively, it might be a solution to reduce the trauma by having Clark >arrive in time. For the purposes of such a story, near rape is almost as >traumatic as rape, but the healing process would be easier to explore and a >'happy' ending easier to maintain. Lois would feel as violated but the >consequences would be less difficult to write. You're right again. I struggled with this decision for ages. I wanted to deal with the issue of rape in a thorough and mature manner, but I wasn't sure how I wanted to go about it. I knew that a lot of people would be apalled if Lois was raped (I was when I discovered that that very thing had happened to the person this fic was written for), and that made me hestitant. In the end, I decided to take the tragic route, crossing my fingers and hoping that I would be able to pull it off. I intend to keep trying on that one. ;) >And I agree with your quote, Misha! Thanks, Karen, for letting us read your >story. Hehe . . . you're welcome. Although, I seem to be regretting it now -- I hate letting people see my weaknesses. ;) >I can see that you are going to be a formidable talent in the coming >years, even more than you are now. When I think of how long it took me to >get to the same stage you are at now........ Certainly, I was far >>from there on my second outing, put it like that! Thanks! :) Although, I find that terribly hard to believe. I don't think I've ever read anything from you, LabRat, that was anything less than incredible! :) Thanks again for taking the time to share your opinion on the matter. It's *greatly* appreciated! :) Sincerely, Karen :) who's still feeling a little sluggish and wishes to apologize for all the typos she's sure she missed when proofing this post ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:52:59 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Site update!! Comments: To: LOISCLA@VM.EGE.EDU.TR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit IT's UP, IT's GOOD!!!!! Hey gang, my web site is up and running at it's original site. www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm With a long weekend (for me ) coming up besure to watch for new developments. I would just like to thank Beth Guide and Maureen for all their help. They've helped me get through to who I needed. Thank you both!! Anne :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:01:03 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Site update!! In-Reply-To: <991e82c1.36cb100b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne wrote: >IT's UP, IT's GOOD!!!!! > >Hey gang, my web site is up and running at it's original site. >With a long weekend (for me ) coming up besure to watch for new >developments. > >I would just like to thank Beth Guide and Maureen for all their >help. They've >helped me get through to who I needed. Thank you both!! Anne, I would certainly like to know what simplenet was clammoring 'copyright infringement' about, as I'm sure there are others out there besides me who are dying of curiousity, too! Or did you already tell us, and I missed the post? If you did...oops. But if you haven't, do tell! Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** NOMINATE YOUR FAVORITE FANFIC! http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/kerth-nom.html ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:35:13 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Where is my editor? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hi! I'm sorry to do this to people, but I have a question. About a month ago(maybe a little less) I sent in a completed fanfic called "Meant to Be"(yes, I have since discovered that there is another one by that name out there). I was told, can't remember by whom that they were sending it to an editor adn that I should be getting info on it soon. Am I just being impatient or did it get lost? This is the first time I've ever attempted something like this so I'm rather green. Thanks, Rachel rtenha@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:51:52 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mandy Crustner Subject: Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey FoLCs :) I just have to add my 2 cents :) Misha wrote: >Rape is a serious subject, and I believe that Karen realizes that. However, >the treatment she gave it, while thoughtful, merely skimmed the top. The >ending of the fic as well, gave me pause. While I understand the need to >wrap things up in a great big waffy finish, I felt that it was merely >pasted on, and it detracts greatly from the impact of the rape incident. I think that Karen dealt very well with a hard situation. Personally, I don't think I could have took actually on-screen seeing Lois raped, I think the way she handled it made it easier, I'm not saying it was easy, because seeing one of our beloved character get mortally wounded, be it physically or mentally, is always hard. I don't think it was too far fetched that Clark didn't get there in time, I think it brought an interesting angle, he more often than not always saves her, but how can they deal with it when the ONE most important time, he couldn't. The ending made me feel wonderful. I loved the way Clark adored the baby that he knew, well almost certainly knew, wasn't his. It showed Clark's enormous strength of character. I don't think it distracted at all from the rape itself, I think it gave Lois, Clark, and even the reader, much needed closure, for lack of a better word. To which Labrat responded: >Alternatively, it might be a solution to reduce the trauma by having Clark >arrive in time. For the purposes of such a story, near rape is almost as >traumatic as rape, but the healing process would be easier to explore and a >'happy' ending easier to maintain. Lois would feel as violated but the >consequences would be less difficult to write. It's precisely for that >reason that I myself am not going so far as actual rape in the nfic I will >hopefully be working on in the future, RIPPLES, but to the brink and no >further. I don't think I could find a happy ending if Lois was actually >raped, but, after a lot of angst and trauma and soul searching, I can get >our heroes to the point of at least hope of a happy ending in the future if >she is almost raped in traumatic circumstances. I would hate to see Karen go back and change the rape to an almost-rape, and I know that sounds vicious but I think the rape is an integral part of the story. IMO, the point of the story is to show that Clark could accept any child of Lois's, even one he didn't father, NOT the fact that Lois was raped. I think if Karen delves a little deeper, she'll nail this story, because I have a lot of personal experience with her and know that she's one of the best I've read. >And, okay, I'll admit it, much as I love angst (so long as it works out in >the end) and putting our heroes in difficult situations, I don't think I >could bear, personally, to have Lois raped. Not in one of my stories. I do >admire other authors for having the courage to tackle such sensitive, >difficult subjects though. I understand where you're coming from on this, Labrat. I don't think I could do it either. I think Karen was very brave to tackle this story and I still think she did an excellent job. I didn't think I could have either Lois or Clark shot in one of my stories, but I wound up having BOTH of them shot in a story and though it was hard, it was an integral part of the story. I greatly admire Karen's work, I think if I wrote on a story for over a year, I'd flush it down the drain . For those of you that don't know me, I have a short attention span and usually get through with stories pretty quick, if not, I think I'd lose this last bit of sanity I have. Anyway, now that I've written the longest post to this list I've ever written, I'll go :) Mandy :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:02:35 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hey Karen!! I only received Part 1 of the nightmare saga, could you please send the rest to me? Thanks in advance. Here is my Addy asimmonds@hotmail.com Thanks, Anne Simmonds ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:36:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue In-Reply-To: <04f501be5aaf$14a84020$459046cf@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hey FoLCs :) I just have to add my 2 cents :) Always glad to have 'em, Mandy! :) Hehe . . . as a good friend pointed out to me recently that they're worth 3 cents Canadian (hi, Carolyn!). ;) >The ending made me feel wonderful. I >loved the way Clark adored the baby that he knew, well almost certainly >knew, wasn't his. It showed Clark's enormous strength of character. I >don't think it distracted at all from the rape itself, I think it gave Lois, >Clark, and even the reader, much needed closure, for lack of a better word. I'm so glad that's how you see it, Mandy, because that's exactly how I had intended it. :) >I would hate to see Karen go back and change the rape to an almost-rape, and >I know that sounds vicious but I think the rape is an integral part of the >story. IMO, the point of the story is to show that Clark could accept any >child of Lois's, even one he didn't father, NOT the fact that Lois was >raped. I think if Karen delves a little deeper, she'll nail this story, >because I have a lot of personal experience with her and know that she's one >of the best I've read. Aw, shucks! :) Thanks *so* much! :) You'll all be glad to know (I hope) that I'm already working feverishly on revisions to "Nightmare". ;) >I didn't think I could have either >Lois or Clark shot in one of my stories, but I wound up having BOTH of them >shot in a story and though it was hard, it was an integral part of the >story. . . . which is a really wonderful story, btw! For those of you who've yet to read Mandy's work, it can be found on the Archive, not to mention her personal web page at: >I greatly admire Karen's work, I think if I wrote on a story for over a >year, I'd flush it down the drain . Hehe . . . you don't know how many times I was tempted to! ;) >Anyway, now that I've written the longest post to this list I've ever >written, I'll go :) Thanks *so* much for your supportive comments! I really appreciate them! :) Yours truly, Karen :) who's posted a record *3* times today! ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:40:07 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Shane Laird Subject: Re: Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Karen, i only received Part 1 of the nightmare saga as well. Could you please send me the rest? Thanx a lot, i appreciate it. my address is: kryptonfolc015@hotmail.com thanks once again, shane ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:06:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rich & Dawn Subject: Fanfic Idea MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I'm usually a lurker on this list, but I do read every post. PW wrote: >gives her time off, CK asks what she will do with her free time and she >says she will go to the Bermuda Triangle. CK is really secretly >pleased by that. Fanfic idea about that trip? I actually started a story based on this premise before this was mentioned, but with the way things are going there is no telling when it'll get done, along with all the others I've started :) And I think it's been stated before that two people can take the same idea and go in two totally different directions. I hope someone else picks up this and the many other good ideas mentioned. Can't wait to read them :) Thanks, Dawn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:22:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Fanfic Idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just started one myself around 11:30 this morning. Since I'm writing it at work, it probably won't be very good, oh well. That, and the only other things I've EVER written were research papers in economics when I was in college. It may be tempting, but I promise, I will not use a single graph, nor the phrase marginal propensity to consume. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:35:22 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: Re: Site update!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Anne, I will do the 'Happy Dance' with you. I am glad the ordeal is over. Annie :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:36:10 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: out of curiosity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Charlotte writes: I definitely agree. I'm in the middle of re-reading Dawning, because I love the way Debby explores the relationship. ( I kind of liked the slime monster too -- I'd like to see where it really came from eventually ). I hope Debby gets some inspiration to continue. It is making me a little crazy that she hasn't gotten them engaged yet. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:17:39 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain > >Hey Karen!! I only received Part 1 of the nightmare saga, could you >please send the rest to me? > Me too! Rachel rtenha@hotmail.com > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:27:17 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For those that may have missed the letters that lead up to my writing this... I have included them below. This note also has spoilers, so if you don't wish to know what the story involves... skip it... I hadn't taken time to read the story when these letters came about. While I am normally not one to feel that Criticism has a place on the list (it should go directly to the author), I do feel that this particular criticism was well placed. If a story contains extreem violence, sexual assault, or rape... these should be noted as warnings in the author's note, as a common courtesy to those who do not wish to deal with those subjects. That said, I have to say that I loved the story. Okay... I didn't particularly like the WHAM, but the rest of the story was great. The a-plot was good, the background was informative, and I feel that Lois's reaction was not out of character (nor was Clark's). Not every individual reacts to events (even violent events) in the same manner, and it's unreasonable to think that Lois MUST fall apart after such a tragedy. It could happen... there's nothing wrong if it does happen... but it's not a certainty. Next, I feel that a lot was left unsaid in the story. It might be good if the author were to go back and fill in some of the blanks... what happened in that month before she finds out she's pregnant... what happens during the pregnancy to allow them to bond with the baby... what happens in the next 5 years? I don't feel that these items were "glossed over", or trivialized... I simply feel that they were left out. It would be interesting to know what happened to bring us to the conclusions that the author creates for us. Finally, the story has a lot more going for it than angst and emotion... there was a good deal of humor thrown in, some real character analysis, and some good insight to our favorite characters. No one should be scared off by the topic... the story isn't graphic, nor is it insensitive... it just leaves a few things to the imagination during the recovery process. All in all... I think it was a great story. I look forward to more from this author. And that's all I have to say about that . -Crys- In a message dated 2/17/99 4:16:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, labrat@DIRCON.CO.UK writes: << Misha wrote: >I'm gonna be real candid here, and I don't want to offend anyone, but I >feel the need to air my thoughts. > >This fic left me rather disturbed. > >If you haven't read it yet, please be warned that while there is not much >overt violence in the fic, a rape does occur 'offscreen'. It sneaks up one >you- you think that of course Clark got there in time, after all, this is >Lois we're talking about, but a few pages after the fact, it hits you like >a runaway freight train. > >Rape is a serious subject, and I believe that Karen realizes that. However, >the treatment she gave it, while thoughtful, merely skimmed the top. The >ending of the fic as well, gave me pause. While I understand the need to >wrap things up in a great big waffy finish, I felt that it was merely >pasted on, and it detracts greatly from the impact of the rape incident. > >This is not to say that I will not read a fic about rape, or with a rape in >it. But I urge all authors who wish to tackle such a subject to treat both >the subject and the reader's sensibilities with care, and warn us before >proceeding. > >"Pay no attention to what the critics say; no statue has ever been >put up to a critic." -- Jean Sibelius While I wasn't at all disturbed by the fic and thought it was a well written and worthy story, I do agree with you to some degree Misha. I did feel that Lois got over the experience far too easily. Women - not even strong, fiesty women - don't just find it that easy to set such an appalling act aside. True, Lois has often been seen to have the knack of compartmentalising her emotions and feelings when it's necessary to get the story out, but I think this was one occasion when she would be unable to put the events in her personal life on the back burner until after the take. I don't feel that Karen trivialised the subject matter, I get the firm impression that she was already concerned that the story was becoming too long (awk, how can a fanfic *ever* be too long? It's a non sequitor IMHO) and was already trying to pare it down. Which, unfortunately, led to the skimming of the aftermath of the rape. I think that's where she did herself a dis-service and I personally would have liked to have seen a longer story where she could have given herself time to properly explore the trauma both Clark and Lois would feel after such a violation. I know from how well she has tackled the story as it stands that she would have done an excellent job of it and made it real. I liked the waffy ending. It didn't seem to me that it was pasted on at the end or detracted from the trauma that had gone before it, because this was, after all, five years, 8 months down the line. Perhaps, Karen could separate it out further from the main bulk of the narrative by tagging it as an epilogue? Or perhaps it's just that a little more balance is needed and if more time is devoted to the trauma in the aftermath of Lois' ordeal then that would help. Alternatively, it might be a solution to reduce the trauma by having Clark arrive in time. For the purposes of such a story, near rape is almost as traumatic as rape, but the healing process would be easier to explore and a 'happy' ending easier to maintain. Lois would feel as violated but the consequences would be less difficult to write. It's precisely for that reason that I myself am not going so far as actual rape in the nfic I will hopefully be working on in the future, RIPPLES, but to the brink and no further. I don't think I could find a happy ending if Lois was actually raped, but, after a lot of angst and trauma and soul searching, I can get our heroes to the point of at least hope of a happy ending in the future if she is almost raped in traumatic circumstances. And, okay, I'll admit it, much as I love angst (so long as it works out in the end) and putting our heroes in difficult situations, I don't think I could bear, personally, to have Lois raped. Not in one of my stories. I do admire other authors for having the courage to tackle such sensitive, difficult subjects though. And I agree with your quote, Misha! Thanks, Karen, for letting us read your story. I can see that you are going to be a formidable talent in the coming years, even more than you are now. When I think of how long it took me to get to the same stage you are at now........ Certainly, I was far from there on my second outing, put it like that! LabRat :) >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:52:03 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Fanfic Idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain >D > >I just started one myself around 11:30 this morning. Since I'm writing it at >work, it probably won't be very good, oh well. That, and the only other things >I've EVER written were research papers in economics when I was in college. It >may be tempting, but I promise, I will not use a single graph, nor the phrase >marginal propensity to consume. > Hey, I dare somebody to use the phrase marginal propensity to consume in a fanfic. Hmm, maybe I'll try it myself. Yes, I think I will. You shouldn't do that to me. I have so many good ideas and so little time. AAAAAAUGGH! Rachel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:03:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Fanfic Idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rachel wrote: I have used that phrase more times than Lois has eaten a Double Fudge Crunch Bar. Maybe I'll use it in my next fanfic. That is, if I don't get a zillion e-mails threatening harm to my computer if ever try to write again. JOY:) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:41:02 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue Misha wrote: << If you haven't read it yet, please be warned that while there is not much overt violence in the fic, a rape does occur 'offscreen'. It sneaks up one you- you think that of course Clark got there in time, after all, this is Lois we're talking about, but a few pages after the fact, it hits you like a runaway freight train. >> I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that Clark got there in time. Then I was confused when I read further and saw that Lois *was* raped. I, too, felt like I was hit by a runaway freight train. Labrat wrote: << I don't feel that Karen trivialised the subject matter, I get the firm impression that she was already concerned that the story was becoming too long (awk, how can a fanfic *ever* be too long? It's a non sequitor IMHO) and was already trying to pare it down. Which, unfortunately, led to the skimming of the aftermath of the rape. >> I agree that Karen did not trivialize the subject at all. However, I think that if she felt the story was getting too long (BTW, I'm also in favor of long, explanatory fanfics), she should have made it into a two (at least) parter. I know some may think it's being cruel to the readers, but she could have ended the first part with Lois and Clark heading to the hospital after the rape and Ted (was that his name?) being taken away by the police. The second part could pick up with Lois and Clark having to solve the Jaxon mystery and both having to recover from the rape. << I liked the waffy ending. It didn't seem to me that it was pasted on at the end or detracted from the trauma that had gone before it, because this was, after all, five years, 8 months down the line. Perhaps, Karen could separate it out further from the main bulk of the narrative by tagging it as an epilogue? Or perhaps it's just that a little more balance is needed and if more time is devoted to the trauma in the aftermath of Lois' ordeal then that would help. >> When I read the ending, I didn't think "pasted on," but I did have some serious questions about it. I think it's one thing to write about a rape and the victims' recovery after the rape. However, I think it's a whole 'nother story when you introduce the fear that the rape has resulted in a pregnancy. The part that seemed rushed to me was Lois's dealing with the possibility (then reality) that she may be pregnant as a result of the rape. This is a whole separate trauma that has just been inflicted on her and I think this could well have been another part to the story. Perhaps even another story in itself. I can't begin to imagine what she must have been feeling; Lois's character says, at one point, that she didn't think she could look at the child's face everyday without remembering the rape (or something along those lines). I didn't feel that Lois dealt with that issue before the last scene with Lois, Clark, and their son. And Clark. Sure, he's a nice guy and he is sticking by Lois, but he was very close to killing Ted. And, a year down the road, he's raising (what he believes to be) Ted's child. It's not that I don't think Clark would do this, it's just that I don't know what to think. Neither Lois's nor Clark's emotions re: the pregnancy were worked through. Karen wrote: << I'm afraid that I have to disagree here. I didn't think that there was any other possible ending. It shows the depth of Clark's devotion and unerring ability to love, and, at the same time, L&C get the happy ending that they deserve. >> I have a concern about what Karen said above. The five years prior to Lois and Clark discovering that the boy was their son must have been difficult. I'm sure they were tempered by the happy ending, but how much? Those were still five difficult years. No matter how great Clark's (and Lois's) capacity to love may be, they must've stared at the child, especially when he was a baby, and tried to see parts of Clark (or Ted) in him. Lois and Clark are fairly optimistic, especially when it came to their chances of having children, and probably they still had hope that Jeff may be their biological son. Even if they knew with their mind that he was not Clark's biological son, I'm sure they still hoped with their heart that he might be. I also don't think that the ending was happy, as Karen said above. IMO, a rape negates the possiblity of a happy ending. Lois was raped and there's no changing that. Strong as she is, she'll need time to get over it, plus time to get over all the worries she and Clark had about Jeff. And Clark'll have to get over his own set of concerns: not getting there in time to save Lois, raising a child conceived when his wife was raped. There's a lot there and it happened pretty quickly. I also wanted to bring something up that I don't think's been discussed. Was the only reason Ted raped Lois because he was paid to? This is such a horrific crime and it's horrifying that a man would rape a woman for money. I'm sure it happens, but could Ted have somehow had a grudge against Lois or some other reason for raping her? Finally (ending my post before it becomes longer than the story :), I really wanted to compliment Karen for both posting her story to the list (seeing that it discusssay that I really admire the way Karen has responded to everyone's comments. It's easy when your feedback is completely positive, but, Karen, you've shown real class responding to everyone's criticisms concerning your story. Thanks for reminding me why I'm proud to be a folc. -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu BTW, Jeff Kent is also the name of a pro baseball player. :) I have no idea what team he plays for now, but he used to be a Cleveland Indian. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:32:37 MST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEBRA GRAY Subject: Re: Fanfic Idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rachel wrote: Joy retorted: JOY:)> I think we should send Joy a zillion e-mails threatening harm to her computer if she NEVER tries to write again! Debra, who hopes Joy doesn't think this is a flame. It's not! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:44:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Fanfic Idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Debra wrote: Debra, who hopes Joy doesn't think this is a flame. It's not!> Thanks for the vote of confidence Debra, but a teacher told me in high school that as a writer, I'd make a good rider. So I've stuck with the horses ever since. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:08:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that Clark got there in time. Then I >was confused when I read further and saw that Lois *was* raped. I, too, felt >like I was hit by a runaway freight train. I think I said this already, but I was worried that scene might be somewhat misleading. Thanks for pointing it out to me. :) It's apparent that I've got some fixing up to do there. ;) >I know some may think it's being cruel to the readers, but she could have ended >the first part with Lois and Clark heading to the hospital after the rape and >Ted (was that his name?) being taken away by the police. Well, I don't think it'll be a two-parter (it's going to be *very* long, though), but I've begun work on adding something to it that is along those lines. >I didn't feel >that Lois dealt with that issue before the last scene with Lois, Clark, and >their son. I have to agree with you on that. That's an issue I also hope to further address in the revisions I'm currently working on. >And Clark. Sure, he's a nice guy and he is sticking by Lois, but he was very >close to killing Ted. And, a year down the road, he's raising (what he believes >to be) Ted's child. It's not that I don't think Clark would do this, it's just >that I don't know what to think. Neither Lois's nor Clark's emotions re: the >pregnancy were worked through. Thanks! That's a valid point that I don't believe anyone has specifically addressed yet. I'll be sure to keep that in mind. >I also don't think that the ending was happy, as Karen said above. IMO, a rape >negates the possiblity of a happy ending. Lois was raped and there's no >changing that. Strong as she is, she'll need time to get over it, plus time to >get over all the worries she and Clark had about Jeff. And Clark'll have to get >over his own set of concerns: not getting there in time to save Lois, raising a >child conceived when his wife was raped. There's a lot there and it happened >pretty quickly. That's another very good point. However, maybe I'm just the eternal optimist, but I firmly believe that a person has to find a way to live happpily ever after following a traumatic event; otherwise, life would be a very sad thing. >I also wanted to bring something up that I don't think's been discussed. Was >the only reason Ted raped Lois because he was paid to? This is such a horrific >crime and it's horrifying that a man would rape a woman for money. I'm sure it >happens, but could Ted have somehow had a grudge against Lois or some other >reason for raping her? You've brought up yet another valid point. I'll be sure to take note of that while rewriting "Nightmare". >Finally (ending my post before it becomes longer than the story :), I really >wanted to compliment Karen for both posting her story to the list (seeing that >it discusssay that I really admire the way Karen has responded to everyone's >comments. It's easy when your feedback is completely positive, but, Karen, >you've shown real class responding to everyone's criticisms concerning your >story. Thanks for reminding me why I'm proud to be a folc. Gosh, thanks! You are too kind. :) However, I can't take any credit for the way I've responded to the comments on my story. Sure, they've been critical, but they've also been very constructive and supportive. I'm so glad that there are so many intelligent FoLCs out there who are willing to take the time to, delicately, give me their opinion on such a delicate issue. Thanks, guys! :) >-Christy > kubitc@kenyon.edu Thanks, Christy, for you insightful comments. :) They're greatly appreciated! :) >BTW, Jeff Kent is also the name of a pro baseball player. :) I have no idea >what team he plays for now, but he used to be a Cleveland Indian. LOL! :) I'm so glad somebody noticed! :) Jeff Kent was also in my previous fic, Tomorrow's Past. He used to play for the Blue Jays (I've since lost track of him), and he and Will Clark (a San Francisco Giant at the time) were two of my favourite players. Gee . . . I wonder why? ;) Thanks again, Christy, for taking the time to write your constructive feedback. :) Sincerely, Karen :) "Holy Smokes! That's four posts today!" -Karen Ward, just now ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:47:56 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: [NFIC]Re: FoLC lore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >In a message dated 2/17/99 1:59:23 AM !!!First Boot!!!, deanishot@YAHOO.COM >writes: > > The nfic authors obviously believe that Clark is a gentleman, > as I think almost every one has him letting Lois 'finish' first. > > > == > Linda Mason > deanishot@yahoo.com > >Great comment. Had to LOL at this one considering that, coincidentally enough, that same morning in my current nfic, BURNOUT, Clark had just decided he wouldn't. ;) On FoLC lore - has anyone mentioned characters stating that a/ Lois always wears brown or b/ that Lois looks awful in brown? LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 01:14:27 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Mandy wrote: > >To which Labrat responded: > >>Alternatively, it might be a solution to reduce the trauma by having Clark >>arrive in time. For the purposes of such a story, near rape is almost as >>traumatic as rape, but the healing process would be easier to explore and a >>'happy' ending easier to maintain. Lois would feel as violated but the >>consequences would be less difficult to write. It's precisely for that >>reason that I myself am not going so far as actual rape in the nfic I will >>hopefully be working on in the future, RIPPLES, but to the brink and no >>further. I don't think I could find a happy ending if Lois was actually >>raped, but, after a lot of angst and trauma and soul searching, I can get >>our heroes to the point of at least hope of a happy ending in the future if >>she is almost raped in traumatic circumstances. > >I would hate to see Karen go back and change the rape to an almost-rape, and >I know that sounds vicious but I think the rape is an integral part of the >story. IMO, the point of the story is to show that Clark could accept any >child of Lois's, even one he didn't father, NOT the fact that Lois was >raped. I think if Karen delves a little deeper, she'll nail this story, >because I have a lot of personal experience with her and know that she's one >of the best I've read. > I think you understand the point I was making here, Mandy, but just in case anyone is hazy, I'd like to clarify that I wasn't suggesting that Karen *should* go back and change or even dilute the rape to a near rape in NOHA. Such calls are down to the author, not the critic. And, as a good friend of mine once reminded me many moons ago - "Never listen to critics. Unless they agree with you they don't know what the heck they're talking about." Which always made sense to me. No, I was just trying out loud various routes that Karen could chose if she so wished. Personally, if she does decide to work further on NOHA I'd rather she chose to enhance the story she has rather than change it. I wouldn't disagree with any of your comments here either. As I said to Karen herself, I think this is a great story just as it is. I also think it could be an *excellent* one and has the potential to be at least twice as long without losing any of its holding power. I didn't nominate Karen in the Best New Author category of the Kerths after reading NOHA for nothing. But whatever she decides to do, this is an outstanding piece of work, whether it stays just the way it is or she decides to expand on it some more. LabRat :) Nothing you write, if you hope to be any good, will ever come out as you first hoped. -- Lillian Hellman No passion in the world is equal to the passion to alter someone else's draft. --- H.G. Wells. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:31:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (8 of 8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm crazy about this story, especially the ending--please don't change one word of it! The dialogue between Lois & Clark was wonderful--warm and funny and perfectly in character for both of them. And they both reacted exactly as I imagine they would in the situation you created: Lois bravely denying that she's in any way affected by what happened to her while Clark tries to get her to acknowledge her pain, attempting to protect and nurture her, much to her irritation. Great job, keep up the good work! Peggy gremlino@pathway.net -----Original Message----- From: Karen Ward To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 11:04 PM Subject: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (8 of 8) >Comments and questions are welcome and appreciated!! :) > >Karen Ward > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:37:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue In-Reply-To: <6a0fcd0b.36cb5055@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Crystal wrote: >For those that may have missed the letters that lead up to my writing this... >I have included them below. This note also has spoilers, so if you don't wish >to know what the story involves... skip it... > > > > > >I hadn't taken time to read the story when these letters came about. While I >am normally not one to feel that Criticism has a place on the list (it should >go directly to the author), I do feel that this particular criticism was well >placed. If a story contains extreem violence, sexual assault, or rape... >these should be noted as warnings in the author's note, as a common courtesy >to those who do not wish to deal with those subjects. I absolutely agree with you there! :) You can all rest assured that I've already taken measures to correct this particular problem. I'm just sorry that the whole thing slipped past me to begin with -- a simple little sentence of warning might have prevented a lot people from being disturbed. >That said, I have to say that I loved the story. Okay... I didn't >particularly like the WHAM, but the rest of the story was great. The a-plot >was good, the background was informative, and I feel that Lois's reaction was >not out of character (nor was Clark's). Not every individual reacts to events >(even violent events) in the same manner, and it's unreasonable to think that >Lois MUST fall apart after such a tragedy. It could happen... there's nothing >wrong if it does happen... but it's not a certainty. You know, those were my sentiments exactly! :) >Finally, the story has a lot more going for it than angst and emotion... there >was a good deal of humor thrown in, some real character analysis, and some >good insight to our favorite characters. No one should be scared off by the >topic... the story isn't graphic, nor is it insensitive... it just leaves a >few things to the imagination during the recovery process. > >All in all... I think it was a great story. I look forward to more from this >author. And that's all I have to say about that . Thanks so much for your glowing remarks, Crystal! :) You've made my day! :) BTW, in case there's anyone out there who hasn't read Crystal's "Full Circle" (which I highly doubt), go do it now! You don't know what you're missing! :) Sincerely, Karen :) who can no longer remember how many times she's posted today ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:20:19 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain > This is my add on to the following conversation. I haven't actually read this part, but I will. However, I feel that I can respond to the comment without referring to the story so I am. Anyway. One of my friends has a brother who was born out of rape adn they *do* have a happy ending. I'm sure there are times that it is hard, but they love him just as much as their other three children. I think that Lois could get through it because of her strong will adn the strength that she and Clark give each other. My friend's mom says that she decided that while she will always live with the memory of the rape, she decided that this child was *hers* also and that he deserved to be loved just the same. And she has. both she and her husband. Therefore IMHO there is a possibility of a happy ending. I actually believe that it would be harder for Clark to deal with his inability to get there in time than for them to love Jeff.Thus said, I'm going to take a shower. Rachel rtenha@hotmail.com > > >>I also don't think that the ending was happy, as Karen said above. IMO, a rape >>negates the possiblity of a happy ending. Lois was raped and there's no >>changing that. Strong as she is, she'll need time to get over it, plus time to >>get over all the worries she and Clark had about Jeff. And Clark'll have to get >>over his own set of concerns: not getting there in time to save Lois, raising a >>child conceived when his wife was raped. There's a lot there and it happened >>pretty quickly. > >That's another very good point. However, maybe I'm just the eternal >optimist, but I firmly believe that a person has to find a way to live >happpily ever after following a traumatic event; otherwise, life would be a >very sad thing. > > > >>-Christy >> kubitc@kenyon.edu > > > >Sincerely, >Karen :) > >"Holy Smokes! That's four posts today!" > -Karen Ward, just now > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:47:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: FoLC lore In-Reply-To: <00cd01be5adc$3cfd70e0$c13470c2@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:47 AM +0000 2/18/99, LabRat wrote: >On FoLC lore - has anyone mentioned characters stating that a/ Lois always >wears brown or b/ that Lois looks awful in brown? LOL, well, there is a reason for that, but it doesn't have to do with the show so much as the FoLCs themselves. Early on in FoLCdom, it was pointed out by an at-that-time-active-member that Lois's wardrobe in first season consisted of many brown suits. The fan used to run tabulations of the outfits, etc., and it became kind of an inside joke among the FoLCs. If I remember correctly, Teri told the fans (at the first LAFF?) that several of the outfits we thought were brown were actually other colors but they hadn't shown up true to color on film. Still, the joke stuck, and has prospered. Kathy (enjoying this thread. :)) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:52:40 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Where is my editor? In-Reply-To: <19990217203513.4618.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:35 PM -0800 2/17/99, Rachel TenHaaf wrote: >Am I just being impatient or did it get lost? This is the first >time I've ever attempted something like this so I'm rather green. Rachel, I've forwarded your inquiry to your editor. Sorry for the delay. One of us will get back to you soon. Just FYI, this listserv isn't connected with the Archive, other than the fact that many of us active in fanfic subscribe to it. :) Stories that are posted to this listserv are not automatically uploaded to the Archive. Stories must be submitted separately. If anyone has questions about a story, please contact the Archive through our email address, LCStories@cryogen.com This is the same address you submitted your story to, and it can be found on the Archive itself if you forget it again. Thanks, Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:00:40 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Robert Bergeron Subject: Re: Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hi everyone :) I only got part 1 of this story :( but from what i've read here in the end when Clark accepts the baby not knowing if it's his or not, why not reward him with an epiloge were he and lois discover the child doing something super? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:01:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Maggie Subject: Full Circle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Everyone! Great comments on lots of threads :) Haven't read the nightmare story yet, but have thoroughly enjoyed all the intelligent, well thought out discourse about it-- and just *had* to chime in on one tiny little thing---I *love* Full Circle! and was just thrilled to read Karen's suggestion to go read it, right now!! (these little folcy things that make one's day, ) My friend Cristin practically *made* me read it because she loved it so. Then with the warning about some unknown, wham coming right up, I wasn't totally sure I wanted to read it, but Cris can be *very* persuasive if she's in Lois-Mode (like most of us, I presume ) So, anyway I started reading it, didn't think I was going to get into the kids part of the story, and of course got completely hooked on that section, and then when the focus shifted to Lois and Clark, well, let's just say I couldn't put it down *and* though I should be in the middle of my evening slumber right about now, I could not resist the urge to rejoice in the beauty of a fic I love *that* much. (thank goodness for you guys, because I know you understand things like this) I haven't picked up the story in months, but I still love the little chocolates Clark would bring for Lois, the strength of their love and most of all his unconditional devotion during a difficult time. I guess what I'm trying to say is although the details of the story may get lost somewhere in my memory banks the *emotion* of the story lives on. I also thoroughly enjoyed the wrap-up of the series cliffhanger. I think it was in line with the inner logic of the show, and of the resolutions to the cliffhanger I have read, that one and S5's are my favorite :) Must work tomorrow.....prying hands away from keyboard now..... hmmm, okay, all done worshipping at the alter of the fan-fiction goddess.....for now Maggie Official Kerth Groupie maggie13@bellsouth.net (aka supermags on IRC) Each friend represents a world in us, a world possibly not born until they arrive, and it is only by this meeting that a new world is born. ~Anais Nin ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:00:29 -0700 Reply-To: desertrat@uswest.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Desert Rat Subject: A Newbie asks a question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have read every fanfic on every site I could find. (Yes, I was stuck at home with nothing else to do, but I enjoyed every moment of it.) I was wondering, actually I was wondering several things, and would like to get some input from the regulars here as well as other new folks like myself. If you get some time, maybe I can figure out: 1. How many L&C fanfic writers are M / F? 2. What is the most popular "theme"? 3. How close should a fanfic writer follow the LaCtNAoS universe timeline? 4. How can I have a fanfic fan look at a work I have done without everyone else seeing it before I know if it's worth showing? 5. Is there a place I can "talk" to other people who write and like to discuss L&C fanfic? ( I am sorry but I still don't have IRC. Hints here would be greatly appreciated.) Thanks in advance. Your Friend and fellow FoLC, Rat ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:27:25 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melissa Day Hall Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question In-Reply-To: <36CB9E6D.6C842ECA@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I have read every fanfic on every site I could find. Wow. And I thought I was bad. >1. How many L&C fanfic writers are M / F? I'd say the majority (at least the ones I know) of the authors are female. >3. How close should a fanfic writer follow the LaCtNAoS universe >timeline? Yes. As closely as a writer wants to, really. There are a number of 'fixit' fics out there that rewrite an episode, some that pick and choose their continuity, and some that just take the whole show as canon and run. To each her own. >4. How can I have a fanfic fan look at a work I have done without >everyone else seeing it before I know if it's worth showing? Um- ask. Postings asking for beta-readers and editors are not uncommon. >5. Is there a place I can "talk" to other people who write and like to >discuss L&C fanfic? ( I am sorry but I still don't have IRC. Hints >here would be greatly appreciated.) Well, here's always great. Just take a look at the recent discussion of 'Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue'. There are a number of fans on AOL or who have access to AOL's IM, with whom you can chat person to person (I'm not terribly familiar with that, so I'll let some other expert inform you :) And then of course, there's IRC :) Misha (mhall@sound.net) - - - - - "Writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank piece of paper until drops of blood form on your forehead." -- Gene Fowler ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:31:25 -0700 Reply-To: desertrat@uswest.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Desert Rat Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Melissa Day Hall wrote: > >I have read every fanfic on every site I could find. > Wow. And I thought I was bad. Trying be stuck in bed for a week with NOTHING to do.... > > > >1. How many L&C fanfic writers are M / F? > I'd say the majority (at least the ones I know) of the authors are female. > WOW! Doesn't Ck get a chance? > >3. How close should a fanfic writer follow the LaCtNAoS universe > >timeline? > Yes. As closely as a writer wants to, really. There are a number of 'fixit' > fics out there that rewrite an episode, some that pick and choose their > continuity, and some that just take the whole show as canon and run. To > each her own. > > >4. How can I have a fanfic fan look at a work I have done without > >everyone else seeing it before I know if it's worth showing? > Um- ask. Postings asking for beta-readers and editors are not uncommon. > > >5. Is there a place I can "talk" to other people who write and like to > >discuss L&C fanfic? ( I am sorry but I still don't have IRC. Hints > >here would be greatly appreciated.) > Well, here's always great. Just take a look at the recent discussion of > 'Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue'. There are a number of fans on AOL or who > have access to AOL's IM, with whom you can chat person to person (I'm not > terribly familiar with that, so I'll let some other expert inform you :) > > And then of course, there's IRC :) > > Misha (mhall@sound.net) > - - - - - > "Writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank piece of paper > until drops of blood form on your forehead." -- Gene Fowler ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:52:32 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melissa Day Hall Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question In-Reply-To: <36CBA5AD.4D8C8B73@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Melissa Day Hall wrote: > >> >I have read every fanfic on every site I could find. >> Wow. And I thought I was bad. > >Trying be stuck in bed for a week with NOTHING to do.... Ah- no thanks :) >> >1. How many L&C fanfic writers are M / F? >> I'd say the majority (at least the ones I know) of the authors are female. >> WOW! Doesn't Ck get a chance? I'd say he gets his fair share. Just because an author is female doesn't mean that she can't write a male character. There was a discussion on point of view a little while back, and some authors stated that they found it easier to write Clark. Again, to each his own. :) Misha (mhall@sound.net) - - - - - "Writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank piece of paper until drops of blood form on your forehead." -- Gene Fowler ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:33:15 -0700 Reply-To: desertrat@uswest.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Desert Rat Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if I seemed a little one sided. I have been reading every "revelation" story I could, and CK always takes the heat. I guess I was just being a "guy". Please, don't get me wrong. I have used up over 12 printer cartridges to keep the L&C Fanfic "near and dear". But I was thinking that the stories were pretty much written by ladies, with a few exceptions...Hey guys. Anyway, I would be grateful if this 'Ol Cop who records L&C every day (and wonders if there's a blank tape in the machine right now) might join the discussion and get some do's and don'ts about fan fiction. (I'll be honest, I have about 4 revelation stories in the works...) So, maybe I'll get a "editor" and post them. I love a WAFF, Rat Melissa Day Hall wrote: > >Melissa Day Hall wrote: > > > >> >I have read every fanfic on every site I could find. > >> Wow. And I thought I was bad. > > > >Trying be stuck in bed for a week with NOTHING to do.... > Ah- no thanks :) > > >> >1. How many L&C fanfic writers are M / F? > >> I'd say the majority (at least the ones I know) of the authors are female. > >> WOW! Doesn't Ck get a chance? > I'd say he gets his fair share. Just because an author is female doesn't > mean that she can't write a male character. There was a discussion on point > of view a little while back, and some authors stated that they found it > easier to write Clark. Again, to each his own. :) > > Misha (mhall@sound.net) > - - - - - > "Writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank piece of paper > until drops of blood form on your forehead." -- Gene Fowler ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:06:33 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 2/17/99 -0700, Desert Rat wrote: >Sorry if I seemed a little one sided. I have been reading every "revelation" >story I could, and CK always takes the heat. Ah, now I understand your comment, Rat. I couldn't figure out how you could have read all the fanfic out there and missed that I write at least as many scenes from Clark's/Superman's p.o.v. as from Lois's. But if you're talking revelation stories . . . well, yeah, in most of them CK takes the heat. But not all. I can think of at least half a dozen in which Lois realizes how difficult it was for Clark to fess up once he'd started lying, back before he knew her well enough to trust her with his secret. Oh, BTW, the archive has a kind of editor who helps with stories that really aren't ready for publication. I know that they refuse to put more work into a story than the writer has, but that's another possible source for a reader when a story isn't ready to release to the list. Welcome! Sheila Harper ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:19:59 -0700 Reply-To: desertrat@uswest.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Desert Rat Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks!! I know the stories where Lois shares the "blame" ,or even take it on herself...,but being down with the flu and reading so many stories to entertain myself... I've noticed that CK get's the short end of the stick most of the time. Do you think a new writer who would write from CK's point of view (some times) would have a chance in the archive? (Even better...the Kerth Awards?) I would love to converse with someone who is "old hat" at this and give me some pointers. It's funny...when I take that long drive home the only thing I think of is L&C. I just hope I don't get into an accedent and have to explain it. Sheila Harper wrote: > At 11:33 PM 2/17/99 -0700, Desert Rat wrote: > >Sorry if I seemed a little one sided. I have been reading every "revelation" > >story I could, and CK always takes the heat. > > Ah, now I understand your comment, Rat. I couldn't figure out how you could > have read all the fanfic out there and missed that I write at least as many > scenes from Clark's/Superman's p.o.v. as from Lois's. But if you're talking > revelation stories . . . well, yeah, in most of them CK takes the heat. But > not all. I can think of at least half a dozen in which Lois realizes how > difficult it was for Clark to fess up once he'd started lying, back before > he knew her well enough to trust her with his secret. > > Oh, BTW, the archive has a kind of editor who helps with stories that really > aren't ready for publication. I know that they refuse to put more work into > a story than the writer has, but that's another possible source for a reader > when a story isn't ready to release to the list. > > Welcome! > > Sheila Harper -- The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once. www.knight.cncfamily.com ICQ# 31557578 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:25:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: out of curiosity In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you all for your wonderful, inspirational comments re Dawning. I've been needing some buttering up lately :) However, I haven't been much in the mood to work on the series, having become deeply involved in another project that I hope you'll like when I'm ready to post it (I'm about half way... no, 2/5ths way through at the moment) (my proofers are begining to get restless). It takes a very close up look at one character unlike any look you've ever had before. As for engagements in Dawning, Gorn once insisted--demanded--threatened me if I did not write an nfic as long as the foreplay. So... who knows? Maybe I should get a subscription to the Spice Channel, where I understand Plots, along with a number of other things, are optional. Debby Debby@swcp.com wishing they'd gotten Dean to narrate the UFO show last night rather than the overdramatic Robert Davi... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:46:00 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question Comments: To: desertrat@uswest.net In-Reply-To: <36CBBF1E.B417EBAD@uswest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi DesertRat, Your first question first... try Phil Atcliffe's 'Montrose's Toast' - as far as I remember, Phil wrote that specifically because he was tired of revelation stories where Lois was the one allowed to vent her anger and Clark simply had to take it and grovel. Second, the Archive. As one of the group of editors ably managed by the great Kathy Brown , can I assure you that the Archive welcomes all stories from any writer, old or new. Our only rules are that the story should be your own work and that it should not be rated higher than PG13 in terms of its content. The role of the editors is to make suggestions on the basis of spelling and grammar, *not content*. So of course a new writer would 'have a chance'; in fact, as someone who less than a year ago was a new writer herself (and who loves writing >from Clark's POV), can I assure you that you would be welcomed with open arms? Best wishes, and welcome, Wendy > Thanks!! I know the stories where Lois shares the "blame" ,or even take it on > herself...,but being down with the flu and reading so many stories to entertain > myself... I've noticed that CK get's the short end of the stick most of the time. > Do you think a new writer who would write from CK's point of view (some times) > would have a chance in the archive? (Even better...the Kerth Awards?) > I would love to converse with someone who is "old hat" at this and give me some > pointers. > ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:34:43 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Full Circle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/17/99 8:48:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, maggie13@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: << I guess what I'm trying to say is although the details of the story may get lost somewhere in my memory banks the *emotion* of the story lives on. >> I just wanted to say thank you... I have received many compliments on the story, but I can't think of one that means more. Writing a story people remember is nice... knowing that someone *felt* something.... WOW. Thanks again... -Crys- (who is still struggling to find time to finish FC2... so many things to write... so little time ;) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:07:33 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: FoLC lore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy wrote: >If I remember correctly, Teri told the fans (at the first LAFF?) that >several of the outfits we thought were brown were actually other colors but >they hadn't shown up true to color on film. Still, the joke stuck, and >has prospered. > I've read more than one magazine interview where Teri mentions that the color process turned all kinds of colors from purple to green into brown repeatedly - maybe that's where you remember it from? - and that one fan in particular sent her an entire wardrobe she'd made herself in colors she thought would look better on her. LOL! (At the time it reminded me of that famous TREK story about the Orion Slave Girl.) And at least one interview where Dean is asked about it too and says that he agrees with the fans that she doesn't suit brown. And it wasn't only brown. Wasn't that 'little black dress' of Lois' in SG actually purple? I think I recall Teri mentioning that at some point too. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:44:51 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "B.B. Medos" Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question In-Reply-To: <36CBB42B.B754EC70@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 2/17/99 -0700, Desert Rat wrote: >Sorry if I seemed a little one sided. I have been reading every "revelation" >story I could, and CK always takes the heat. I guess I was just being a "guy". >Please, don't get me wrong. I have used up over 12 printer cartridges to keep >the L&C Fanfic "near and dear". But I was thinking that the stories were pretty >much written by ladies, with a few exceptions...Hey guys. I had to chuckle reading this discussion because of what I'm experiencing in my struggle with the next installment of NEBS. In all of the previous installments, I did almost every scene from Lois' point-of-view. Intentionally. Whenever something was from Clark's POV, I tried to remain as ambiguous as possible over any shared existence between Clark and Superman. Why? Because I wanted to immerse myself in exactly her perspective of not knowing the secret. My reason for doing that was that even though it's probably true that a great many stories are told from her POV the most, she's also put at the greatest disadvantage character-wise because WE, the reader, see Clark's secret from the start. I wanted to experiment with her dealing with two separate individuals, just like SHE would see them. And I think it worked fairly well. Right up until he said those magic three words. No, not "I love you" but "I am Superman." The strange thing, and what makes this discussion so humorous to me, is that I've been fighting CLARK for the last year over that next installment. For some odd reason, I thought I could continue from the same POV. Or at least, simply be able to add to his scenes those little details where he's obviously both individuals. Every single time I tried to work on it, however, everything was wrong about it. Nothing I've written past the above point has satisfied me. I finally put the story on the shelf out of sheer frustration about six months ago because I couldn't make it work. It took awhile but I finally figured out what was happening in my brain. Clark apparently has other ideas over whose story it is at this point. He is insisting that things be told from his perspective. EXCLUSIVELY. At least during the twenty-four hour "talking things over" time period that was set up in the previous installment. Not so much an equal time attitude, as one in which he is refusing to cooperate otherwise because "This is MY story we're talking about here and I want to tell it MY way!" Whoever said Superman was easy to deal with? Want to talk about a major shift in focus, though? Now, I have to get into his head and it ain't easy. Oye. Beverly :-) B.B. Medos Beverly's Book Basket Beverly's Book Sanctuary: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:02:50 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I won't join in on the rape/baby issue, but instead address something else that bothered me (sorry, Karen, you write so well, that I hate to say anything negative): namely, the toe kissing scene. Maybe it's a personal fetish, but I did not at all enjoy that display, and found it out of character, as well as out of place in the newsroom, and I must count myself in with those who found it "gross". You have real talent, Karen, and thanks for sharing your tremendous effort of love. (again, sorry about the negative comment) Kate ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:33:00 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue << I think that Lois could get through it because of her strong will adn the strength that she and Clark give each other. My friend's mom says that she decided that while she will always live with the memory of the rape, she decided that this child was *hers* also and that he deserved to be loved just the same. And she has. both she and her husband. Therefore IMHO there is a possibility of a happy ending. >> Considering the above, I think probably parts of my last post could have been taken the wrong way. What I meant to say (and didn't say very well) was that, first, it wasn't necessary to give Lois and Clark a happy ending. A story that has tragic events in it doesn't need to have a happy ending and, indeed, such an ending may seem inappropriate to some. That said, I think it may be difficult to accept a happy ending for Karen's story, for the simple fact that Lois was raped. I certainly agree that you can make the best out of a bad situation (as the story Rachel told shows) and it is very admirable when this is done. However, even with a positive ending, the story still contained a rape and this issue must be dealt with. Even though Lois and Clark got a son that they obviously loved out of the ordeal, there was still trauma there and it seems unlikely that it was going to go away. -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:02:53 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sarah Sandberg Subject: SV: Re: Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Kate, I won't join in the rape discussion. I want, = however, to share my opinion on the toe kissing. I thought that was = just so adorable. I could so picture Clark doing that, and it was = cute... Sarah >I won't join in on the rape/baby issue, but instead address something = else >that bothered me (sorry, Karen, you write so well, that I hate to say = anything >negative): namely, the toe kissing scene. Maybe it's a personal = fetish, but >I did not at all enjoy that display, and found it out of character, as = well as >out of place in the newsroom, and I must count myself in with those who = found >it "gross". >You have real talent, Karen, and thanks for sharing your tremendous = effort of >love. (again, sorry about the negative comment) >Kate > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:19:29 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mandy Crustner Subject: Re: Nightmare on Hyperion Avenue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Labrat responded to an earlier post of mine: >I think you understand the point I was making here, Mandy, but just in case >anyone is hazy, I'd like to clarify that I wasn't suggesting that Karen >*should* go back and change or even dilute the rape to a near rape in NOHA. >Such calls are down to the author, not the critic. And, as a good friend of >mine once reminded me many moons ago - "Never listen to critics. Unless they >agree with you they don't know what the heck they're talking about." Which >always made sense to me. I totally understood what you were trying to say, and can see that what I said might have been misunderstood . I love that quote, I think it'll be my motto from now on. Thanks for sharing that with us. :) >I wouldn't disagree with any of your comments here either. As I said to >Karen herself, I think this is a great story just as it is. I also think it >could be an *excellent* one and has the potential to be at least twice as >long without losing any of its holding power. I didn't nominate Karen in the >Best New Author category of the Kerths after reading NOHA for nothing. >But whatever she decides to do, this is an outstanding piece of work, >whether it stays just the way it is or she decides to expand on it some >more. I was exposed to this story very early on and have enjoyed watching the development. Karen has taught me so much about writing and I owe so much to her. I agree that she is the best new author that I've had the privilege to read. I really can't wait to see the additions she's making, as I think it'll be an experience to see how this story can be any better :) >LabRat :) Mandy :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:41:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Audrey Rempel Subject: Re: out of curiosity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Debby wrote: > > Thank you all for your wonderful, inspirational comments re Dawning. I've > been needing some buttering up lately :) Consider yourself slathered in butter (the real stuff, not some low-fat substitute), Debby. I for one love the Dawning Series and would love more, more, more! > > However, I haven't been much in the mood to work on the series, having > become deeply involved in another project that I hope you'll like when I'm > ready to post it (I'm about half way... no, 2/5ths way through at the > moment) (my proofers are begining to get restless). It takes a very close > up look at one character unlike any look you've ever had before. You tease! I trust you are writing 24/7??? No? What, you need to sleep, eat, interact with real people or something?? None of that now, we need more fic from Debby! > As for engagements in Dawning, Gorn once insisted--demanded--threatened me > if I did not write an nfic as long as the foreplay. This would be good ... Audrey patiently waiting ... okay, maybe not so patiently ... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:04:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Angela Flouras Subject: It's Been Real..... MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone, for the past 6 months i have enjoyed reading all about lois and clark but im afraid i must leave the club. it is beginning to interfere in my work and i cannot afford it at this time. I was wondering how i may get off the list. anyone who could help me out, please do..... Thanks for all the good times ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:05:19 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: Re: out of curiosity << However, I haven't been much in the mood to work on the series, having become deeply involved in another project that I hope you'll like when I'm ready to post it (I'm about half way... no, 2/5ths way through at the moment) (my proofers are begining to get restless). It takes a very close up look at one character unlike any look you've ever had before. >> I understand getting a little tired of writing a particular story. (I've had to put some away for a while and wait til I felt a compulsion to work on them again.) But I'm sure we're all dying to know what "another project" means. I'm assuming it's something Lois and Clark related since you said you'd post it. Care to give us a preview? (Like who the character is...?) -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu who is sure she isn't the only one who was inspired to try her own hand at fanfic after reading Dawning ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:29:21 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Signoff procedures (was Re: It's Been Real.....) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:04 PM -0500 2/18/99, Angela Flouras wrote: >I was wondering how i may get off the >list. anyone who could help me out, please do..... Everyone who joins is sent a list of commands from the listserv. The beginning of that message says: >Please save this message for future reference, especially if this is the >first time you subscribe to an electronic mailing list. If you ever need >to leave the list, you will find the necessary instructions below. Why is it that no one seems to save this message? I think maybe we should change the line to read "please delete me immediately" so more people would save it. ;) In any case, the message continues on to say: >You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF >LOISCLA-GENERAL-L" command to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU. I think that answers your question. Glad you enjoyed the list. If things calm down at work, come on back. :) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 04:01:49 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joshua Phelps Subject: Good nfics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone... I have been reading all these things about Nfics and so forth and was kinda curious what all good nfics are out there... I have only read one... The Heir, which I thought was very good (except for the part about Clark hurting Lois's wrist). Anyway I was hoping that some of you could send me some great nfics privately to hawkman@hcol.net . I promise you that I am over 18 and will not redistribute any nfics I may be sent. Thanks Josh hawkman@hcol.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:03:57 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question In-Reply-To: <36CBB42B.B754EC70@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM -0700 2/17/99, Desert Rat wrote: >Sorry if I seemed a little one sided. I have been reading every "revelation" >story I could, and CK always takes the heat. Oh, I think it depends on the writer's take rather than a gender bias. There certainly are women writers out there who don't have Clark take the heat. For example, Demi and I have been writing an epic (for 2 years now, LOL) and when we started, one of the things we first discussed was how we were "sick of Clark always groveling about keeping Lois in the dark. He's protecting his family, and he shouldn't have to suck up for that." We wanted to write a story where Clark didn't feel guilty about it. Now this is not the main point of the story, but I think this is just a choice a writer has to make, on how they see things, male and female writers included. > But I was thinking that the stories were pretty >much written by ladies, with a few exceptions... Take another look at stories by Jeff Brogden, Phil Atcliffe, Jon Knutson, Mobile Richard, or Robert Culpepper. Some of these authors specialize in action, others in romance, but all contributed some neat stories to the FoLCs. But as an overall analysis, you are right -- the vast majority of L&C fanfic writers are women. I can't say why more of the male FoLCs haven't written fanfic, but I can certainly assure you it's not a gender bias on the part of the Archive or the readers. Some of my all-time favorite fanfic writers are included in the list above. :) >Hey guys. Anyway, I would be >grateful if this 'Ol Cop who records L&C every day (and wonders if there's a >blank tape in the machine right now) might join the discussion and get >some >do's and don'ts about fan fiction. This is the right place for it, Rat! In fact, one of the original reasons this list was set up in the first place was to give fans a place to *discuss* fanfic, either ones they've read or ones they are writing. >2. What is the most popular "theme"? Good question. Certainly, when the show was in its early years, Revelations were coming out of the woodwork. Alternate romances (ways L&C fall in love or start dating) are very popular,too, as are stories where L&C are already married. The problem with characterizing stories by theme is that there are so many cross-overs. Is an alternate romance story an Elseworlds? What if it has a Revelation in it? What if L&C met the Alternate Clark in first season, fell in love while they were there, and Lois found out Clark was Superman, all in one story? Being deliberately general, I'd venture that "what if" stories and "romances" were the most common themes of fanfics. >3. How close should a fanfic writer follow the LaCtNAoS universe >timeline? As closely or as far away as you choose to. It's your story and you should write it the way you want. Now, will a story based on the comics version of L&C generate as much excitement/interest as one based on the show's version? Maybe not, since this is a list of fans who came together based on the show. But honestly, who cares? If you find the writing process fun, and are enjoying telling your story, then go for it. I'd recommend placing a warning/notification on the story if you are doing something unexpected (like -- oh, let's pick something really off the wall -- killing off all the main characters and having Lex Luthor win ... er, did I say that? Never mind. ;)). But for the most part, it's up to you. As I said above, I think the vast majority of the stories in the Archive are "what if" stories, that explore plots that didn't happen on the show. >Do you think a new writer who would write from CK's point of view (some times) >would have a chance in the archive? (Even better...the Kerth Awards?) As Wendy pointed out, any story that is considered appropriate for a general audience (G, PG or PG13) and is at least somewhat coherent ;) (you laugh, but I've returned some because they didn't make any sense ) will be accepted into the Archive. Kerths? Well, that's really up to you. How good are you? But seriously, the fans choose their favorites for the Kerths. Write a great story and people will sit up and take notice. :) Keep those questions coming. That's what this list is for. :) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:06:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: Signoff procedures (was Re: It's Been Real.....) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:29 PM 2/18/99 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote: >>Please save this message for future reference, especially if this is the >>first time you subscribe to an electronic mailing list. If you ever need >>to leave the list, you will find the necessary instructions below. > >Why is it that no one seems to save this message? I gotta admit, Kathy, that I don't have that message anymore--NOT because I threw it away (I'm really compulsive about saving those files), but because my hard drive has crashed three times since I originally joined the listserve. Anyway, that message got lost along with something in the neighborhood of 12Mb of other email messages I'd saved (okay, so my computer files look a lot like my desk at work: packrat heaven). If someone knows where that message is stored so I could get a new copy of it, I'd be delighted. Sheila Harper sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:08:47 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Story Editors (was Re: A Newbie asks a question) In-Reply-To: <36C8391C00000FCD@cncc.cncc.cc.co.us> (added by cncc.cncc.cc.co.us) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:06 AM -0500 2/18/99, Sheila Harper wrote: >Oh, BTW, the archive has a kind of editor who helps with stories that really >aren't ready for publication. I know that they refuse to put more work into >a story than the writer has, but that's another possible source for a reader >when a story isn't ready to release to the list. Actually, we used to offer "Story Editing" services, but we stopped this past fall. We had very few people take us up on it in the 12 months it was offered, and when someone did ask for a Story Editor, I had problems getting the editors who had agreed to act in that capacity to follow through on their committment. Now when someone asks, I point them to this listserv. I recommend that they either post a request for someone to read their story and give detailed comments. If the person is not a member of the listserv, I offer to post said request on their behalf. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:13:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kathy, I finished the fanfic I discussed yesterday. Do I send it to you directly? JOY:) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:09:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Good nfics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Josh, Try Labrat's site. I downloaded them one day, and stayed up into the wee hours of the morning reading them off line. They were worth losing a few hours of sleep. JOY:) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:15:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Signoff procedures (was Re: It's Been Real.....) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Shelia, I'm anal about saving things that say "do not delete". I'd be happy to send it to you. Do you want me to? JOY:) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 04:31:46 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joshua Phelps Subject: Re: Good nfics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Josh, Try Labrat's site. I downloaded them one day, and stayed up into the wee >hours of the morning reading them off line. They were worth losing a few hours >of sleep. >JOY:) > Joy, sorry to seem so dense, but what is the address of Labrat's site?? thanks Josh ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:22:23 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: Signoff procedures (was Re: It's Been Real.....) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:15 PM 2/18/99 -0500, Joy N Sowell wrote: >Shelia, I'm anal about saving things that say "do not delete". I'd be happy to >send it to you. Do you want me to? JOY:) Yes, please, Joy :) I feel naked when I don't have instructions/documentation 'cause I'm kinda anal that way, too :) Thanks for the clarification on the story editor deal, Kathy. I wasn't aware that you'd changed your procedure. Sheila sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:24:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Good nfics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I knew you would ask. However, after I read all of them, I deleted that bookmark. I think the nfics were on the same site as Peace's and Crystal's. I could be wrong though. They were ALL good. One had something to do with being locked in a pool all night.... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:28:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Signoff procedures (was Re: It's Been Real.....) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just sent it. You should receive it shortly. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 04:45:13 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joshua Phelps Subject: Re: Good nfics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha ha I hate when I delete bookmarks to places and then later realize that I wish I hadn't.. ok does anyone else have the address to Labrat's site?? I hope I hope I hope I hope... thanks Josh >I knew you would ask. However, after I read all of them, I deleted that >bookmark. I think the nfics were on the same site as Peace's and Crystal's. I >could be wrong though. They were ALL good. One had something to do with being >locked in a pool all night.... > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:53:35 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/18/99 5:03:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes: << For example, Demi and I have been writing an epic (for 2 years now, LOL) Keep those questions coming. That's what this list is for. :) >> How much longer will we hafta wait? Did Clark have this much patience? Anne ;) (Who is *more* than sure it'll be worth the wait :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:56:27 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Good nfics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Josh wrote:ok does anyone else have the address to Labrat's site?? Those particular authors, all of whom are terrific, are on "Anne's Little Corner of teh World". Since it is nfic, after you go to the site, you have to have a password to the nfic. I think you may be able to sign up through the site or you may have to contact Anne privately through email with all the usual particulars (age,promise not to redistribute, etc.) The site address is http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:35:46 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mandy Crustner Subject: Re: Good nfics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can find those stories at Anne's site, which is now back up and running, thank God! http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/annesplace.htm :) >From there, click on: The best in fanfic. You'll need to sign up for the password before you'll be able to read anything. Hope this helps, Mandy :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:33:35 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cliff Englert Subject: Hi! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi! I don't write the list much, but I'm hoping someone can answer a question for me! I'm reading Episode 12 of Season 5 "It happened All Weekend" (I know I'm behind in the eps, but what can I do? But, anyways, They keep mentioning a person named Rachel. My question is, who the heck is Rachel????!!!! Sambrea ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:21:18 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Rachel (was Re: Hi! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/18/99 5:14:14 PM Central Standard Time, smooth@TICON.NET writes: << But, anyways, They keep mentioning a person named Rachel. My question is, who the heck is Rachel????!!!! >> I haven't read the story, but there is Rachel Harris (Sheriff Harris) who was introduced in Green Green Glow of Home. She was Clark's prom date. It was going to be Lana Lang in the script, but the show didn't have the rights to Lana at the time since she belonged to the SuperBOY comics not the SuperMAN comics. Actually she belonged to the "old" Superboy comics, where he was the Smallville Champion and Clark Kent as a teen. When Superman's history was rewritten, he never was Superboy.... skip it, it's giving me a headache ;) Anyway, like I said, I didn't read the story, but Rachel Harris is the only Rachel I can think of from the series. Zoomway@aol.com (but they sure must have gotten rights to Lana by 3rd season and Tempus Anyone ;) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:49:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey guys. I'll be gone to Chicago (starting now) and will be back Monday. Don't fight kids! farah :) farah@chisham.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:50:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:49 PM 2/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hey guys. I'll be gone to Chicago (starting now) >and will be back Monday. Don't fight kids! > >farah :) >farah@chisham.com > Of course you won't fight kids. Reinstate: Don't fight, Kids! farah :) farah@chisham.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:04:22 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: My take on Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit << I want, however, to share my opinion on the toe kissing. I thought that was just so adorable. I could so picture Clark doing that, and it was cute... >> I just wanted to add my two cents I loved it when Clark did this. I though it was cute and Lois more than deserved it. OK, before I go on I just want to say to Karen that I did enjoy the fic in general. You had WAFFs (I'm a sucker for WAFFs ) in the right places and I liked the ending. :) What I am about to ask though is not just directed at this fic, but after reading it I felt I needed to know. ;) There's is one thing I really quite don't understand. Lately, in the last few fics that I have read whenever something happens to Lois, it always turns out that Lois ends up comforting Clark. Not that it's a bad thing, but why? I just feel that whenever Lois needs Clark to be strong, he's not. I don't want to say he turns wimpy, but, um he does. This seems totally out of character, to me. (Forgive me it's been a while since I've watched the show so I could be out of line.) Sometimes he's not even given a chance to help Lois heal before his guilt (which is totally in character, always obsessing ;) sets in and takes over, deciding he's no good for her, ect ... I've seen this in Erin's last fic, too (Which I *loved* BTW - A smug Clark is a funny Clark cause he *thinks* he's going to win ). However, he doesn't give up hope here. But again, it also bothered me that Clark was a bit too forceful with her (OK, OK, I think they just fought too much.) Like I said, sucker for WAFFs. Anyway, just some food for thought. Aside from this. Kudos to all authors for keeping the show alive. Sometimes you read that certain fic that pulls you so deep, you can actually see what's going on, hear Lois take a stand, and can actually feel the emotions as Lois or Clark expresses them, right Kathy? :) Anne :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:45:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question Comments: To: desertrat@uswest.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Desert Rat wrote: >Thanks!! I know the stories where Lois shares the "blame" ,or even take it on >herself...,but being down with the flu and reading so many stories to entertain >myself... I've noticed that CK get's the short end of the stick most of the time. Hmmm, I think you're right! But I, for one, love to hear Lois's POV for a change from the series. The series seemed to tell the story mainly from Clark's perspective, and frankly, most of the time I couldn't tell where Lois was coming from. She came across as snobbish, quick-tempered, shallow, petty, and even downright mean. (The two things that really stuck in my craw in the premiere were her "don't fall for me, farmboy" comment, and the way she just *had* to tell Clark that *Superman* was the "finest figure of a man she had ever seen," which seemed like a deliberate putdown of Clark's physique, considering that she had already seen most of it! ) Clark, on the other hand, was so patient, kind, and long-suffering, that it took the writing of fanfic authors like Margaret Brignell, Zoomway, Kaz from Oz and others too numerous to mention, for me to understand why Lois acted the way she did, and to point out what an awful trick on Lois Clark's deception really was. In the series, we never got to see Lois's reaction when she realized that CK had tricked her from the beginning (except in TF), and it was fun reading about all the thoughts that could have been passing through her mind when she did find out. But to respond to your comment about CK getting the short end of the stick: I would guess that most fanfic writers show Lois getting angry not only because it's understandable (considering the long deception by her partner, best friend, and the "two men" she loved the most ), but because she's...well, because she's Lois--prone to anger and not shy about expressing it! CK is so sweet and even-tempered that it seems out of character for him to get mad. (I loved the twist in WHALTTA; I was expecting Lois to get mad when she found out about CK/Superman, and it was quite a shock to see Clark go off in a grand funk instead!) Aaah! I'd better stop before this turns into a book! >Do you think a new writer who would write from CK's point of view (some times) >would have a chance in the archive? (Even better...the Kerth Awards?) Go for it! Peggy gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:54:53 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melissa Day Hall Subject: Re: Rachel (was Re: Hi! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >In a message dated 2/18/99 5:14:14 PM Central Standard Time, smooth@TICON.NET >writes: > ><< But, anyways, They keep mentioning a person named Rachel. My question is, > who the heck is Rachel????!!!! > >> > >I haven't read the story, but there is Rachel Harris (Sheriff Harris) who was >introduced in Green Green Glow of Home. The Rachel in the fic is indeed the Rachel Harris from GGGoH. Misha (mhall@sound.net) - - - - - "If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put foundations under them." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:17:59 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Anne's mention of fic Was:RE: My take on Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue In-Reply-To: <439ee2fe.36ccaa86@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne wrote: >I just feel that whenever Lois needs Clark to be strong, he's not. I don't >want to say he turns wimpy, but, um he does. This seems totally out of >character, to me. (Forgive me it's been a while since I've watched >the show so I could be out of line.) Sometimes he's not even given a chance to >help Lois heal before his guilt (which is totally in character, always >obsessing ;) sets in and takes over, deciding he's no good for her, ect ... I agree, Anne. I see him being more 'non-wimpy'. It just seems more in character for him to be the strong, independent person that he had to be while he was growing up. And to me, that means he would be "strong" when he needs to be, even if it means having to internalize his fears or concerns. Wouldn't he have had to be that way--especially when he was younger-- what with having to keep his secret and trying to "fit in, but realizing he couldn't?" It seems those childhood experiences would make him dependent on himself, then combined with his truly caring nature, I would think he'd tend to look out for others before himself. Geez, did any of that babbling make any sense? >I've seen this in Erin's last fic, too (Which I *loved* BTW - A smug Clark is >a funny Clark cause he *thinks* he's going to win ). However, he doesn't >give up hope here. But again, it also bothered me that Clark was a bit too >forceful with her (OK, OK, I think they just fought too much.) Like I said, >sucker for WAFFs. I'm glad you liked it, Anne! It's always nice to hear someone likes something you've written. I hope you got enough WAFFs out of it, too, Anne, to balance out the arguments that I felt were necessary to reflect the tumult of emotions that always seem to come into play whenever a huge change or trying situation enters into a real life relationship. :) When Kathy and I brainstormed this fic, we both agreed that we didn't see Clark backing down from Lois when she confronted him. He felt like he had a darned good reason why he kept his secret form her, and he wasn't going to tell her he was wrong. Sure, he felt bad about many aspects of the *way* he had kept it a secret, but he felt justified in his overall reasoning for keeping his secret from her. And instead of having Clark wallowing (I love that word ), we liked the idea of him being more proactive and taking a stand. So many fics have Lois being mad and Clark backing down and feeling guilty. Like I said, he had his reasons for what he did. :) So anyway, by Clark taking a stand, it got the powers more even between them, putting them on more equal footing. (Not one laying more guilt than the other ) Anyway, I hope all that came off in the story. BTW...thanks for the mention, Anne. It's great to know someone has actually read that epic-length, 368k story. What can I say? I'm long winded. Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** NOMINATE YOUR FAVORITE FANFIC! http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/kerth-nom.html ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:09:27 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Combo Post: take on NOHA; Nfic sites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne wrote: >I've seen this in Erin's last fic, too (Which I *loved* BTW - A smug Clark is >a funny Clark cause he *thinks* he's going to win ). However, he doesn't >give up hope here. But again, it also bothered me that Clark was a bit too >forceful with her (OK, OK, I think they just fought too much.) Like I said, >sucker for WAFFs. > He-llo. I don't recognize the premise of this one. But I'd *like* to. Course, I currently have a temp file with 125 fanfic sitting in it which I still haven't had a chance to read, so it could be languishing in there. Can you give me a title please, Anne, so I can track it down? Thanks! And thank you too to Joy for her very kind recommendation. Especially glad you enjoyed WET 'N' WILD, Joy (the swimming pool) as I never got any response back on that one at all at the time. Glad that others clarified the site information though as I do have to point out that Anne's Little Corner of Teh World isn't specifically mine. That makes it sound as though I did all the hard work on it and that certainly isn't the case! Grief, I wouldn't know where to start. And you'll find a lot of great nfic authors archived there alongside my stories. Josh, you can also subscribe to Debby Stark's nfic mailing list, which has a large archive of stories stored in it. Email Debby for details. So you can catch up and wallow to your heart's content. And I'd also recommend visiting The Gorn's site where three of my own personal all time nfic favorites are still stored, fortunately. There are other personal sites, but most of them have been lost temporarily due to server problems and have still to find new homes, I believe. Perhaps the authors in question could advise whether on an update there for you. Wherever you find them though I hope you enjoy! LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat - labrat@dircon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:24:32 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: FoLC Lore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, this is fun! Thought of another. Lois' propensity for 'secretly' reading trashy bodice ripper romance novels. And the fact that Clark knows she reads them. I know this was slightly alluded to in the show, but the fanfic really locked onto and expanded the theme. BTW, anyone know what the title of that book Lois is reading in bed in WX3 is? I've tried freezing that frame so many times to no avail. I know, it's sad. Very, very sad. Just curious. And is it true - I can't freeze frame this one either ) that Clark is reading Men Are From Mars, Women From Venus (or whatever the heck it was called) when lazing on the desert island in OP? LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat - labrat@dircon.co.uk (people keep asking why I'm a labrat and is it because I'm depressed over the helplessness of the individual in society , so I thought I'd best start clarifying here.) LabRat :) **************************************************************************** *************** Psychoanalysis is looking for a black cat in a dark room - in which there is no cat - and finding it anyway. Anon. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:40:15 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: Combo Post: take on NOHA; reply to Erin :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/18/99 8:53:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, labrat@DIRCON.CO.UK writes: << He-llo. I don't recognize the premise of this one. But I'd *like* to. Course, I currently have a temp file with 125 fanfic sitting in it which I still haven't had a chance to read, so it could be languishing in there. Can you give me a title please, Anne, so I can track it down? Thanks! >> LOL - it's called What It Means to Love You. and it is a MUST READ. It's been posted on the fanfic archive and you can prolly find it faster under what's new becuase it's recent. <> I'll just say Thank You. This site is not just mine. I simply maintain it and it's mearly a reflection on all the hard work that all the authors put into their work. Without you, or Julie, or Peace, or Sheila, Crys, Misha, Kathy, and Annie, the site would just be a Dean Droolfest - not that it's a bad thing (noway! ) but more is ... more Then Erin said: <> Oh Erin I love your work. And yes the WAFFs were there, altho one can never get enough of them . I just feel that for as much as Clark loves her, and we know without a doubt he does, that he's not as strong as he should be when *she* needs him. Like you mention, it's in his charater to be strong when he needs to be. But lately it seems that the newer fics are straying from that. But that doesn't mean I'll stop reading them. Just kinda want to get a feel for the reasoning behind it. <from her.>> This I totally agree with. It once of the few instances I felt that Lois should have put her defences aside and just try and think of it from *his* piont of view. But then again I don't think when I get angry either, weather I am justified for being angry or not. <), we liked the idea of him being more proactive and taking a stand. So many fics have Lois being mad and Clark backing down and feeling guilty. Like I said, he had his reasons for what he did. :) So anyway, by Clark taking a stand, it got the powers more even between them, putting them on more equal footing. (Not one laying more guilt than the other ) Anyway, I hope all that came off in the story>> Since you put it that way, yes I can see it now. This goes back about his being smug I'd like to think he thinks he's got his way - for now ;) < >> Anytime. :) Oh and I think someone mentioned that it was impossible to finish in a day. I read it entirely one bored night at work. It helps when the bosses aren't around on a slow work night. (Dont worry I did my work first ) Anne ;) (who hopes she made sense) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:43:21 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Ernst Subject: Re: FoLC Lore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi LabRat Back in the day when L&C was still on the air, I had a subscription to the magazine Entertainment Weekly. In a preview of some sort a few weeks before OP, they showed a picture of Lois and Clark on the beach. The tiger might have even been in this picture. Anyway, in the photo, you can tell that Clark is reading Men are from Mars, Women are >from Venus. I remember watching the scene closely when the show finally aired and being disappointed that the scene on TV wasn't shot at the same angle as the magazine picture. Therefore, the moral of my story is that I can't remember exactly if you can see the title of Clark's book in the episode, but the in picture in the magazine it was clear that he was (ironically) reading Men are from Mars, Women are >From Venus. Hope this helped, Sheriff Rachel _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:46:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question In-Reply-To: <36CB9E6D.6C842ECA@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:00 PM 2/17/1999 -0700, Rat wrote: >1. How many L&C fanfic writers are M / F? All of them are one or the other >2. What is the most popular "theme"? Boy meets Girl, Girl gets in trouble, Boy turns into Superhero, Girl falls for Superhero, Boy gnashes teeth, hillarity insues >3. How close should a fanfic writer follow the LaCtNAoS universe timeline? Not so close as you're breathing down it's neck but not so far as you're including dolphins and submarines in the B plot. >4. How can I have a fanfic fan look at a work I have done without >everyone else seeing it before I know if it's worth showing? do you mean you need an editor? Dozens of L&C fans will offer their assistance, I'm sure :) >5. Is there a place I can "talk" to other people who write and like to >discuss L&C fanfic? ( I am sorry but I still don't have IRC. Hints >here would be greatly appreciated.) Here on this L&C Fanfic List is an excellent place. >Thanks in advance. You're welcome now :) >Your Friend and fellow FoLC, >Rat Debby Debby@swcp.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:33:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: My take on Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anne wrote: >I just wanted to add my two cents Hehe . . . pretty soon I'll be rich with all the "two cents" I've been getting lately. ;) I'm always glad to have 'em, though. :) >I loved it when Clark did this. I though it was cute and Lois more than >deserved it. Thanks! :) I'm glad to you enjoyed it! :) >OK, before I go on I just want to say to Karen that I did enjoy the fic in >general. You had WAFFs (I'm a sucker for WAFFs ) in the right places and I >liked the ending. :) What a lovely thing to say! :) Thanks again! :) >There's is one thing I really quite don't understand. Lately, in the last few >fics that I have read whenever something happens to Lois, it always turns out >that Lois ends up comforting Clark. Not that it's a bad thing, but why? Hmm . . . that's a very good question. I didn't even realize that I had done just that in Nightmare, but, you're right, I did. However, I believe I also included some of Clark comforting Lois later on, but your question made me realize that I probably didn't do it enough. Interestingly, in the rewrite I began before you brought this up, I had already started to work in more of Clark supporting Lois. Perhaps I recognized the need for it subconsciously. ;) >I just feel that whenever Lois needs Clark to be strong, he's not. I don't >want to say he turns wimpy, but, um he does. LOL! Sorry to laugh, but the way you said that just struck me as funny. ;) >This seems totally out of >character, to me. (Forgive me it's been a while since I've watched the show so >I could be out of line.) Sometimes he's not even given a chance to help Lois >heal before his guilt (which is totally in character, always obsessing ;) sets >in and takes over, deciding he's no good for her, ect ... You're right again. It's Clark's natural reaction to feel guilt over not being able help someone he loves when they're in a deperate situation. However, it's also innate to Clark to want to do everything he can to help a loved one through a tough time. It's a very perplexing quandry for us fanfic authors to have to deal with. Which of Clark's qualities will be the dominant one? His overwhelming need to help people in need -- particularly his loved ones, or his on-going sense of guilt over not being able to have helped them in the first place? Just some more food for thought. ;) TTFN, Karen :) who also loved Erin's fic "What it Means To Love You" and did, in fact, read it in one day! ;) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:53:15 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: A plethera of responses ;) In-Reply-To: <8525671C.007ACC9B.00@MetMtaG2.metlife.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:13 PM -0500 2/18/99, Joy N Sowell wrote: >Kathy, >I finished the fanfic I discussed yesterday. Do I send it to you directly? >JOY:) You can either send it to me directly, or to the submissions address: LCStories@cryogen.com. Be sure to save the file as TEXT ONLY (no smart quotes, not fancy fonts) and put the title in the subject line of the email. At 5:53 PM -0500 2/18/99, Annette Ciotola wrote: ><< For example, Demi and I have been writing an epic (for 2 years now, LOL) > >How much longer will we hafta wait? Did Clark have this much patience? Er, well ... a long time. We have been approximately 3/4 finished for months now, and neither of us has added a whole lot to it in that time. I've been swamped with S5 and now S6, and Demi has been working really hard. We *will* finish it eventually. All the hard stuff is written, IMO. We just need to figure out where they go from there -- and find time to finish! But we will finish -- there is no way we can write 120 pages and just stop forever. :) At 7:04 PM -0500 2/18/99, Annette Ciotola wrote: > Sometimes you read that certain fic that pulls you so >deep, you can actually see what's going on, hear Lois take a stand, and can >actually feel the emotions as Lois or Clark expresses them, right Kathy? :) Thanks, Anne, you're a doll. :) For the confused, Anne is refering to the final scene in an as-yet-unpublished fanfic of mine. It will be going in the fanzine whenever that is released. I gave Anne an advanced copy to read last year, and she has been very complimentary. She's great for my ego. :) Kathy (who has been loving these great *fanfic* discussions this week!) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:17:57 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: NKWolke Subject: Re: Combo Post: take on NOHA; Nfic sites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi Folcs :-) Anne wrote: >>>I've seen this in Erin's last fic, too (Which I *loved* BTW - A smug Clark is a funny Clark cause he *thinks* he's going to win ). However, he doesn't give up hope here. But again, it also bothered me that Clark was a bit too forceful th her (OK, OK, I think they just fought too much.) Like I said,sucker for WAFFs. ): >>> He-llo. I don't recognize the premise of this one. But I'd *like* to. Course, I currently have a temp file with 125 fanfic sitting in it which I still haven't had a chance to read, so it could be languishing in there. Can you give me a title please, Anne, so I can track it down? Thanks!<<< I think she meant "What it means to love you" from Erin which I liked *very* much! It's a great story, waffy, steamy and eh... (is that a word?) whammy . I started reading it in the evening and couldn't stop until 1.00 o'clock in the morning! I must confess though that I agree with Anne on the "fight-issue". I don't like arguments and fights myself and avoid them as far as I can and I see Clark more like myself (probably just wishful thinking I guess ) as the type who stays calm and doesn't give into the urge to "fight back". That doesn't necessarily mean that he hasn't a point or that he's weak. He just doesn't want to hurt anyone and he knows that emotional fighting almost always does. I think he has himself more under control than Lois. She's the "jump in the pool without checking the water level first" type and he's the type from whom Lois would think it a very impulsive act, if he wore "brown shoes to a blue jacket". Nevertheless I loved the story and Erin, don't be afraid about the lenght of it. I'm a sucker for long stories! The longer a story is, the more eager I get to read it, because I know the author probably has taken her/his time with the developement of the characters and you can really 'loose' (I don't know if that's the right expression. I mean it in a perfectly positive way) yourself in it. And in your case the theory again prooved to be true :-) Labrat wrote: >>> And thank you too to Joy for her very kind recommendation. Especially glad you enjoyed WET 'N' WILD, Joy (the swimming pool) as I never got any response back on that one at all at the time. <<< This sentence just cries for a comment! I *loved* all your stories, Labrat and I have a bad conscience because I almost never write feedback to authors about their stories. That is even more deplorable because I love to get feedback myself so much! You know how it is... you read a story and think: "wow, this is great" and the email adress of the author is in the story and you have to write it down to respond and then you can't find a pen and when there's a pen you are too busy to write or you *want* to write, but you can't find the words, because your english has decided to take a break for that day... well and then you don't write at all :-( But I can use this email to tell you that I really *adored* "sugar and spice". The childish Lois was so cute and Clark was so wonderfully tortured. It was an "inbetweeny" I always wanted to read and I loved it! And now that you're mentioning that you're a working on a TOGOM-nfic... hmmmm! I can't wait to read it! Nicole AKA CKgroupie on IRC NKWolke@t-online.de ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:12:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Combo Post: take on NOHA; Nfic sites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LabRat wrote: Especially glad you enjoyed WET 'N' WILD, Joy (the swimming pool) as I never got any response back on that one at all at the time. > Well then, let me just tell you that the entire site just made my day. I read a few of the stories at the office, earning some interesting glances from my co-workers as I tried to read and keep a straight face, (in some places I could not help but blush a bit), and try not to laugh out TOO loud. Thank God for big coffee mugs so I could hide my amusement. :) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:50:41 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Combo Post: take on NOHA; Nfic sites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys! Nicole wrote: I think she meant "What it means to love you" from Erin which I liked *very* much [snip] I must confess though that I agree with Anne on the "fight-issue". I don't like arguments and fights myself and avoid them as far as I can and I see Clark more like myself (probably just wishful thinking I guess ) as the type who stays calm and doesn't give into the urge to "fight back". Picked this one out of the pile to respond to the subject (gee, I wonder why? Did this FoLC say anything different to everyone else? Hmmmm.....) Anyway, thanks to everyone who let me know that I was missing something good. Yes, it was indeed in my temp file and I will definitely be finding time to read it tonight. It definitely sounds like it has all the elements to make it into my favorites pile. It's *long* (couldn't agree more with your comments here, Nicole. I love vignettes too, but it's nice to just settle down with a mug of coffee and wallow at times in the way you can only do with a really long fic). It's got fights in it. And.....well, it was written by Erin. What more can a girl want? Labrat wrote: >>> And thank you too to Joy for her very kind recommendation. Especially glad you enjoyed WET 'N' WILD, Joy (the swimming pool) as I never got any response back on that one at all at the time. <<< And Nicole responded: >>This sentence just cries for a comment! I *loved* all your stories, Labrat and I have a bad conscience because I almost never write feedback to authors about their stories. That is even more deplorable because I love to get feedback myself so much! You know how it is... you read a story and think: "wow, this is great" and the email adress of the author is in the story and you have to write it down to respond and then you can't find a pen and when there's a pen you are too busy to write or you *want* to write, but you can't find the words, because your english has decided to take a break for that day... well and then you don't write at all :-( LOL, Nicole! Actually, I was discussing this with a friend recently and about how I'm the world's first culprit for this. And how appalling it is too. I really should make more of an effort. But thank you for the very kind comments. Glad to hear you enjoyed. It is appreciated. >>>But I can use this email to tell you that I really *adored* "sugar and spice". The childish Lois was so cute and Clark was so wonderfully tortured. It was an "inbetweeny" I always wanted to read and I loved it! Aw, shucks. Keep talking, girlfriend. (How much was the cheque again?) I had an argument.....ahem, an intense discussion....with a friend over that. She's not much keen on part one of S&S because 'all that happens is Lois tortures Clark again and again'. What can I say? I was in a mean mood and it was better than kicking the dog. Fanfic is great therapy sometimes. And cheaper than an analyst too. Actually, she's lucky he got off so lightly. I was sure I must have missed a few opportunities for Lois there. >>>And now that you're mentioning that you're a working on a TOGOM-nfic... hmmmm! I can't wait to read it! Yes, this seems to have generated some interest. Unfortunately, it *isn't* going to be out any time soon. I do have to get that backlog done. The conclusions to BURNOUT and CF (working on the former right now) and ARE YOU LONESOME TONIGHT..... which is set during ASU and is built on a specific request that someone asked me for (I'm doing it, Corrine! I'm doing it now!!!). After that, I've a hankering to get on with RIPPLES....which is a bit of a walk into the dark side and probably a bit of an epic too.....and which is currently refusing to wait patiently in line like it should and is clamoring for attention.......and *then*.....TOGOM. Maybe. ;) That's the plan. LabRat :) (who is suddenly reminded of John Steinbeck for some reason.....) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:53:21 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: FoLC Lore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Rachel Caught any good villains lately? ;) > >Back in the day when L&C was still on the air, I had a subscription to >the magazine Entertainment Weekly. In a preview of some sort a few >weeks before OP, they showed a picture of Lois and Clark on the beach. > The tiger might have even been in this picture. Thanks for the info! Of course.....and you knew I was going to ask, didn't you?.....anyone happen to know if the EW photo is on the net anywhere? There are so few publicity shots from that episode, other than the common one of Clark carrying Lois. LabRat Doc. Klein's LabRat - labrat@dircon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:58:22 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Combo Post: take on NOHA; reply to Erin :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Anne! ><out that Anne's Little Corner of Teh World isn't specifically mine. That >makes it sound as though I did all the hard work on it and that certainly >isn't the case! Grief, I wouldn't know where to start. And you'll find a lot >of great nfic authors archived there alongside my stories.>> > >I'll just say Thank You. > >This site is not just mine. I simply maintain it and it's mearly a reflection >on all the hard work that all the authors put into their work. Without you, or >Julie, or Peace, or Sheila, Crys, Misha, Kathy, and Annie, the site would just >be a Dean Droolfest - not that it's a bad thing (noway! ) but more is ... >more You do yourself a dis-service. Not to demean my fellow authors - but the nfic is only a small portion of a hugely interesting and eclectic site. I'd certainly put it on a par with Demi's Fantasyland pages and even Zoom's website. There's always something new to find there. Unfortunately, I tend to miss out on most of it because I still can't afford the time online to download video clips (got the phone bill down from £56 to £21 last month though. Success! ) But I still visit just for the fun of wandering through and seeing what's changed. For those of you out there who haven't found it yet, I'd definitely recommend a visit. And bookmark it too. You'll miss out if you don't go back regularly. LabRat :D Doc. Klein's LabRat - labrat@dircon.co.uk PS - the nfic section's pretty good too. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:25:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Combo Post: take on NOHA; Nfic sites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nicole wrote: I am SO glad that someone else is the same way. I was begining to have a major guilt trip. TOGOM - nfic???? Details please :) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:55:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Disturbing News :( Comments: To: loiscla@vm.ege.edu.tr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FoLCs, Some disturbing news. I have hesitated until now to use a public venue to point this out, however, I now feel due to recent events that public is public, and if the rest of this issue is public, then so should my comments herein be. This will disturb some of you. Especially certain fanfic and nfic authors, as well as a few FoLCs who may not have known what was going on. For some months now, a few ‘folcs’ (and I hesitate to use the word folc on these kids) on AOL have been responsible for some very inappropriate, disgusting and defamatory remarks and the personal harassment of several other FoLCs both on AOL and off. The two primary individuals involved are screen names SwimmerE15 and Bobcat1209 (MandiS16) aka Mandi and Enore. They began by creating a series of web sites directed at five or six fans in particular, myself included (but since they really had no personal information about me per se, I was probably the least hard hit) – and they would do things like graft pictures of deformed farm animals onto available internet photos of the fans they had managed to find, along with profane and abusive remarks pertaining to the character and/or creative work/ideas of these individuals. At that point, some of those involved felt so violated and upset that they begged the issue silent. And silent it remained once action was taken. However it did not end there, sadly. More recently these ‘FoLCs’ and a number of their friends (ClarkXX, Superman92 et al) began visiting IRC and harassing (profanely) more FoLCs, using disgusting IMs etc... I know several FoLCs still have logs of those nights when these individuals used fake nicknames and signed on with the sole purpose of petulant harassment. Karl Kingston (channel manager for #loiscla) may even have more to say regarding this issue, and I know Zoomway does certainly. They targetted her as well. *sigh* What disturbs me even more now, though, is that these kids (more specifically the primary two aforementioned) have again put up derogatory public web pages (though this time without profanity, it would appear they learned at least one lesson last time) – now these pages stray away from those targetted previously-- who took action (with reason) -- and specifically target certain others, such as specific fanfic authors: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting2.htm and here: http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/confused.htm [[NOTE: SOME OF THIS IS CERTAINLY RATED **R** for profane remarks against FoLCs or their creative work -- use your own discression]] (GG, especially to you -- I am so so sorry you have to see these like this ... but these children have been getting away with this kind of behaviour over and over again, and I think it was time the fans knew as publically as the web pages they have put up and spread around their circle of ‘friends’ who enjoy this kind of petulant behaviour.) There are more. Many more. And apparently those propagating the material feel that by insulting the fandom and those in it, they will better their own image. As with all bullies, they continue to hurt FoLCs many of whom have never been exposed to this kind of harassment before. I’ve been with this fan group for over 5 years now, and I must say that *never* until this past year and a half have I ever seen such a disappointing, obviously malignant attitude from anyone who calls themselves a part of the fandom :( I still hold copies of the original profane web pages, and I know that those FoLCs who were attacked on IRC similarly hold logs of those events as well, something will be done, but until then, let all of FoLCdom know. If you’re worried about your own name and work being butchered and treated similarly, my best advice would be to take down any personal information and/or images of yourself currently on the web, and possibly your work as well. I’m sorry it has come to this, however, all of those things have the potential to become ammunition for reprobates who have nothing better to do. The rest, is up to each of you personally. If anyone else who was attacked has something to add, I believe that perhaps talking about it might even help a little. I don’t think these ‘kids’ realize or indeed even care how their actions affect others. Or that real people in the fandom have real feelings. They have in the past laughed and simply put up more abusive content on the web. I’m sure that’s still their game plan. They can get away with it, so why not, right? I recently unsubscribed from the Scott Barnhard’s CYBER METROPOLIS newsletter because Mandi and Enore are columnists for him, they write a column which sole purpose is to bash (usually with personal innuendo only the person attacked and those close to them will understand) .. That to me, isn’t a FAN publication. That’s trash. It's anyone's right to read it, should they choose to. I, however, do not. I believe that the only thing created by that publication is a venue of FOLC subscribers who are unknowingly feeding into these kinds of harassment while the kids involved *continue* to laugh. Well I’m through letting this go. Through keeping quiet, and through hoping it will stop. It obviously will not and I’m so disgusted right now, I have very little further to add at this point save this: If you want further copies of the URLs of these web sites, I would first do a search on geocities for your name or your work, and then report the slander to their site. These web pages too will come down, but what worries me, is that just as before, new ones will likely rise in their stead. Search periodically, and I would urge that if you feel you have the grounds, you SHOULD take action. These....lowlifes.....shouldn’t be getting away with this. It’s up to you, FoLCs. Take care out there. Demi demona@shaw.wave.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:06:35 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: Disturbing News :( Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, not being sure what I can do to help, I've email geocities content violation under offensive site content. I will keep doing so once a day until something is done. Although I personally have not been attacked, I can't stand it that they've done it to my friends :( Anne :/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:11:45 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Disturbing News :( Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I've been reading all these horror stories out there about fanfic being stolen and people do nasty things to other people, and I just thought I'd say something. I'm new so I don't carry much weight, but I think it's awful. This stuff is supposed to be fun!! It's so beyond me how anybody would purposely do some of this stuff, especially to writers who've been out there forever and do great work (Zoomway, Demi etc.) Who are these people? If they want to do nasty stuff why don't they go do it themselves and leave the rest of us alone? Okay, I'm done. Bye. Rachel rtenha@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:40:43 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Disturbing News :( In-Reply-To: <4407b17b.36cd9a1b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:06 PM -0500 2/19/99, Annette Ciotola wrote: >Well, not being sure what I can do to help, I've email geocities content >violation under offensive site content. I will keep doing so once a day until >something is done. How do we do this, Anne? What is the address we should use to email Geocities? I take it we list the site in question that we are complaining about? Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:41:11 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Geocities Address In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:40 AM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote: >How do we do this, Anne? What is the address we should use to email >Geocities? I take it we list the site in question that we are complaining >about? The address to write to Geocities is: http://www.geocities.com/main/info/company/contact/alert_form.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:45:37 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: Geocities Address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/19/99 12:43:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, demona@SHAW.WAVE.CA writes: << At 11:40 AM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote: >How do we do this, Anne? What is the address we should use to email >Geocities? I take it we list the site in question that we are complaining >about? The address to write to Geocities is: http://www.geocities.com/main/info/company/contact/alert_form.html >> Thanks Demi! Sorry about forgetting that part. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:53:22 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: irene dutchak Subject: Re: disturbing news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hi everyone, I had a look at the 2 sites that Demi mentioned. Before I looked, I thought, "How bad could it be?" I had no idea that it was so awful. These people are sick. I am disgusted by their attacks on Folc's. I think these people should concentrate on getting a life! This is a bit forceful on my part but I don't think that anyone on this list should be targeted like this! I urge everyone to make a formal complaint to the servers for these pages. Irene ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:20:56 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: disturbing news In-Reply-To: <19990219175323.29194.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:53 AM -0800 2/19/99, irene dutchak wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I had a look at the 2 sites that Demi mentioned. Before I looked, I >thought, "How bad could it be?" I had no idea that it was so awful. >These people are sick. I am disgusted by their attacks on Folc's. I >think these people should concentrate on getting a life! Yes, Irene, they are, but you know what? They are tame compared to the original sites that were set up last year. The ones Demi mentioned that attacked her and some others personally? Those ones made these look like PBS. These people need to be stopped, though they seem so entirely mentally ill that nothing seems to phase them. Hopefully by making it public, we can show them that their behavior is not appreciated, and only serves to make them look bad and those they flame look good. >I urge everyone to make a formal complaint to the servers for these >pages. Agreed, and since this is not the first time they've done this, I plan to demand that Geocities not only take down these individual sites, but to revoke access from the people involved permanently. They obviously keep putting up new sites when the old ones get taken down. I hope you will all join me in that goal. Complain to: http://www.geocities.com/main/info/company/contact/alert_form.html and list the sites you are complaining about with a personal note. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:24:36 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Juli E. Hale" Subject: Re: disturbing news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If only these people would spend as much time doing something positive as they have doing something destructive. In the last few days, we've seen much constructive criticism discussed on the list. I am proud of all the members who go out of their way to offer praise hand in hand with criticism. Every person who subscribes to this list or who reads fanfiction does so by choice, either for continued enjoyment of a show we loved, or for the companionship of others who share our interests. There is no place for those whose soul purpose is to inflict degradation. After reading Demi's post, I went to the two sites she mentioned to see what she was talking about. Like everyone else, I was disgusted to see such trash. However, I think that it is important for everyone to remember that these are only two people--two people who are obviously less talented than the writers whose words they twist and disjoint in order to use against them. I also know that words do hurt as much "sticks and stones...", but, in the end, the people who make others look small to make themselves look big are the ones who come out looking like fools. I will complain to Geocities about the sites mentioned, and then I sincerely hope that we can all go back to what we enjoy, and not have to deal with any future attacks such as this one. Feeling better now that I've vented, Juli ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:40:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: disturbing news In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:24 PM 2/19/99 EST, you wrote: >I was disgusted to see such trash. >However, I think that it is important for everyone to remember that these are >only two people--two people who are obviously less talented In actuality it's a larger group of which these two are the most vocal. The others hide themselves somewhat better by virtue of their keeping a lower profile in assisting the primaries, but unfortunately, it's quite a few more than two. Enough, as well, to disrupt and harass entire groups of FoLCs in AOL chatrooms as well as our principal IRC chat channel (#loiscla). They're continually banned, and most fans do practice the 'sticks and stones' childhood idiom -- however, as Kathy mentioned, they simply create new names, new email accounts and come right back. That is the more appalling issue, for most. Demi demona@shaw.wave.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:31:34 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Combo Post: take on NOHA; Nfic sites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joy wrote: > Well then, let me just tell you that the entire site just made my day. I >read a few of the stories at the office, earning some interesting glances from >my co-workers as I tried to read and keep a straight face, (in some places I >could not help but blush a bit), and try not to laugh out TOO loud. Thank God >for big coffee mugs so I could hide my amusement. :) Someone else told me recently that they read nfic at the office. Gosh, you guys are brave. Anyway, just so long as you were blushing at the nfic moments and laughing at the humorous ones and not vice versa, I'd count that as a success then. Thanks for this - much appreciated. Can I just take the opportunity to add that I don't maintain Anne's site, where my stories and those of other fine nfic authors are archived? I really, really don't mind anyone mailing me to let me know that they're interested in gaining access to the site to read my stories. Really, really, truly I don't. But I'm just wasting your time if you want me to help you out with site info, because I haven't the foggiest, I'm afraid. Best mail Anne. As far as I'm aware all that's necessary is for you to sign up on site and then wait for Anne to contact you with passwords etc. But don't quote me! And I've just spent all afternoon reading WHAT IT MEANS TO LOVE YOU. Wow! So, if I haven't answered your mail today or you're wondering why BURNOUT isn't finished.......you know who to blame for writing fanfic so good I couldn't put it down. I haven't had so much fun with Clark being smug since BB Medos' Clark's Response. LabRat :) Doc. Klein's LabRat - labrat@dircon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:47:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Combo Post: take on NOHA; Nfic sites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LabRat wrote: Thanks for this - much appreciated.> A HUGE success, definitely. I also re-read "What it Means to Love You today after reading those posts this morning. GREAT JOB ERIN!! BTW, I liked your web site. What kind of riding do you do? I do Hunters/ Equitation. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:52:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mandy Crustner Subject: Re: disturbing news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I must have been under some sort of rock or something. What did I miss? Cuz I'm totally lost! Mandy >If only these people would spend as much time doing something positive as they >have doing something destructive. In the last few days, we've seen much >constructive criticism discussed on the list. I am proud of all the members >who go out of their way to offer praise hand in hand with criticism. > >Every person who subscribes to this list or who reads fanfiction does so by >choice, either for continued enjoyment of a show we loved, or for the >companionship of others who share our interests. There is no place for those >whose soul purpose is to inflict degradation. > >After reading Demi's post, I went to the two sites she mentioned to see what >she was talking about. Like everyone else, I was disgusted to see such trash. >However, I think that it is important for everyone to remember that these are >only two people--two people who are obviously less talented than the writers >whose words they twist and disjoint in order to use against them. I also know >that words do hurt as much "sticks and stones...", but, in the end, the people >who make others look small to make themselves look big are the ones who come >out looking like fools. > >I will complain to Geocities about the sites mentioned, and then I sincerely >hope that we can all go back to what we enjoy, and not have to deal with any >future attacks such as this one. > >Feeling better now that I've vented, >Juli > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:20:03 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Combo Post: take on NOHA In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:17 AM +0100 2/19/99, NKWolke wrote: >I must confess though that I agree with Anne on the "fight-issue". I don't >like >arguments and fights myself and avoid them as far as I can and I see Clark >more >like myself (probably just wishful thinking I guess ) as the type who stays >calm and doesn't give into the urge to "fight back". That doesn't necessarily >mean that he hasn't a point or that he's weak. He just doesn't want to hurt >anyone and he knows that emotional fighting almost always does. Did we watch the same show? Clark established a pattern very early on in the show of hurling insults and biting comments at Lois when he was frustrated or upset. Did she give as good as she got? Yes, and then some, but Clark is no saint! Let's look at some scenes: The Pilot: "So, just how far will you go to get this story??" (To Lois, about Luthor, when she very nicely turned Clark down for dinner because she remembered she had a previous committment with Lex to interview him.) Clark pounded the nail in his own coffin here. Lois had just agreed to go out with him to celebrate, practically blushing when she accepted. She was getting interested in this guy! And then he goes and insults her, implying she would sleep with a man to get an interview. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. BatP/HoL: Clark is pretty darn angry with Lois for agreeing to marry Luthor. Did he have a reason to feel rejected? Absolutely. But he wasn't just sulking and feeling sorry for himself -- he lashed out at her several times. Counter-productive to say the least! Resurrection: When Clark finds Scardino in Lois's apartment, he is livid. His parting shot is venomous. "Must have been some talk to need a shower afterwards." Ouch! That's cold! ;) WHALTTA: Again, Clark is rejected so he rejects right back. He doesn't insult, but he sulks, he acts distant. Putting out his hand when Lois tries to kiss him hello in the office?? That wasn't lashing out, but it was definitely meant to make her feel bad. Lois didn't say "no, never" to his proposal, she said "not yet". She told him she needed time to think things through -- to adjust to what she'd just learned. But Clark was hurt, and he had to hurt back before he could calm down. Fortunately, once they got back together at the end of WHALTTA, this pattern all but disappears. I love this! Lois and Clark both grew up when they committed to this relationship. Both of their tempers dampened considerably. Both apparently felt secure for maybe the first times in their lives, and this security and love made a profound difference in their ability to control themselves and not lash out when they were hurt. The first we saw of this was in WIEAK and JSN. When Lois spends time with another man, Clark is her shadow. He's jealous and he doesn't deny this. But he never makes cruel remarks. (He's actually pretty cute as he keeps "accidentally" running into them. ) When Lois won't take Clark back at the end of WIEAK, he's hurt, yes. Maybe devastated. But did he fly off in a huff? No. He left her apartment quietly, yet didn't leave completely -- he stood outside her doorway, leaning his head against the wall in disapair. When we find them meeting up at the movies in JSN, again, the old Clark would have made some snide comment, but this Clark just tries to joke that this coincidental meeting proves they are meant for each other. Throughout the episode, things are a bit tense, but neither of them gets angry. They both have truly grown up. :) Maybe Lois's abrasiveness in the early episodes overshadows Clark's bite in some people's minds. Maybe the kindness they showed each other in the last 2 seasons made us forget the way they interacted early on. But if you look at the evidence, you will see that Clark gave as good as he got. In the first 2 seasons, when Clark was hurt, he lashed out. And far from "not wanting to hurt anyone with emotional fighting", it was his primary purpose. I'm sure he usually regretted it afterwards (as Lois did), but he could be quite obnoxious when Lois upset him. Kathy (Just say no to Saint Clark. ;)) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:22:52 -1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: Re: disturbing news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathy Brown wrote: > >>Hopefully by making it public, we can > show them that their behavior is not appreciated, and only serves to > make > them look bad and those they flame look good.<< And that is just it, they ARE making themselves look horrible! The folcs are the nicest bunch of people I have *ever* had the privelge of meeting on the the net, and these "mentally challanged" people are really doing just the opposite of what they want to accomplish! It is incredibly horrible what they are doing, and I too will join in writing and complaining. But I was just thinking that it is like a silly game these 'kids' are playing and no one is interested! Who of the folcs are going to actually vote on that silly voting page they made up of the worst fics??!! NOONE! (as if there are anybad fics, everyone does their best at their own level of creativity and I think it is awesome!!) and those out there in cyberspace who aren't folc, I doub't they would even waste their time if they accidentally stumbled accross that page or the rewrite of GG's story or others that are out there. (I'm sorry GG that was horrible!!) I wouldn't even bother to see what it is if I had no ties to LnC, why waste my time when there is so much else out there to look at. and if they do take a look, I really really think that the larger majority of people are going to feel that whoever did this has a problem. It's a cry for attention and I can't help but think of the bullies in school that pic on the littler kids thinking it'll make them look cool. but it always backfires, and that is what this is going to do. I really don't think anyone else is going to pay anyattention to it unless it's a child who hasn't learned there manners yet. The majority of people I think want to be good and kind, and wont appreciate it. Again they'll just think "man, this person's got a problem if they used all this time to build a web page for *this*?!!! Get a life!" They just sound like a bunce of kids crying for attention. I'm not trying to make 'light' of this situation at all, I totally agree it is awful. I can't imagine what I would be feeling if it happened to myself. I can't even imagine writting and then I can't imagine letting somebody see it if I did write, so if I got over those fears, and then someone flamed my efforts publicly, I would definitly be mortified! so I do feel for all of you who this has happened to, and I am so sorry! /me passes out {{{{hugss}}}} to all involved! But since it has happened, I just wanted to try and point out the above, in hopes it will help in dealing with it. > >>>I urge everyone to make a formal complaint to the servers for these > > >pages. > > Agreed, and since this is not the first time they've done this, I plan > to > demand that Geocities not only take down these individual sites, but > to > revoke access from the people involved permanently. They obviously > keep > putting up new sites when the old ones get taken down. > > I hope you will all join me in that goal. > > Complain to: > http://www.geocities.com/main/info/company/contact/alert_form.html > > and list the sites you are complaining about with a personal note.<< so we have the two sites that Demi sent to us to see, but I would like to complain about them all. I don't know what they are, so if you think it would be a good idea to list which ones, could somebody email the sites to me so I may help with this? jme.....who thinks these 'kids' need their computers taken away from them and bent over their fathers knee for a few whippins' and a nice long lecture on how to mind your manners!!! > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:00:10 -0500 Reply-To: nightsky@erols.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genevieve Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit irene dutchak wrote: <<>> Abd Kathy said: <<>> Unfortunately, I have to disagree here. Like a lot of you I suspect, I went over and looked at the sites Demi mentioned. Are they in poor taste? Absolutely. Are they rude and insulting? Yes. Should they be forcibly removed from the Internet? No. Absolutely not. They are protected (as we are) by freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. All of our stories are "published," i.e. made public. This is true whether they are printed in paper and sold through Amazon, put up on a web site or bulletin board, or distributed on a mailing list. Once a story is published, you are inviting critical comment -- both of the favorable and unfavorable kind. When the New York Times pans a book -- or a play -- they don't have to get permission of the authors or the directors. Nor do they have to be polite, or considerate of the authors or the actors feelings. And copyright law permits the use of excerpts from a story to illustrate critical comment; it permits parody -- even insulting parody, guaranteed to make the author annoyed. (Think MAD magazine. Think worse. It's still allowed, still protected by the first amendment.) I haven't read GG's story they panned, but it appears that most of that site is *their* text, not hers. The first page Demi mentioned, the Awards voting, is no more inappropriate then the list of Kerth Nominees on my website. It is merely a list of stories. If we have the right to vote on "the best," they have the right to vote on "the worst." It's all relative, after all. I should point out that they didn't trash me or my fanfic (that I noticed, anyway). If they had, I'd probably be furious. But I'd hope that the positive comments I'd also received would offset this type of negative feedback. Most mailing lists I'm on don't permit negative feedback, even of the constructive type. It's sort of an unwritten rule here, and a written one of the other lists I'm on. But we really don't have the right to prevent people (even obnoxious, foolish people who are obviously *wrong*) from expressing their opinions. The major web publishers -- like GeoCities -- are having enough problems trying to police their sites. What guidelines should they use? What guidelines *do* they use? They take down Nfic sites -- on what grounds? There isn't a court in this country that would call an nfic "pornographic." Do they really take down sites because of *profanity?* Is merely the presence of a certain word enough to have your site removed, or does the word have to be used in a certain context? Are there certain political views that would warrent having your site removed? It's a very fine line GeoCities is walking here. We can ignore these people; we can boot them off private mailing lists and the IRC; we can complain about them to their parents. But we really cannot deny them the right to express their opinions. The website that listed the Doctors who performed abortions advocated violence, and gave personal information about the doctors, with the intent of threatening them. I don't see that here; this is merely a few immature people who think this kind of thing is "funny." Asking Geocities that these sites be removed just because they offend *you* is a dangerous precedent. I'd recommend treating this just like SPAM, -- delete it. Don't visit their website, don't advertise it, and don't send them "How dare you" messages. Just ignore them. ____________________________________________________________________ Genevieve Clemens Lots of great stuff on my webpage Besides, I suspect they'll be quite pleased if their site gains enough attention to be removed, and quite annoyed if no one notices it at all. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:22:35 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Free Speech on the Internet In-Reply-To: <36CDDEEA.4A1E74F5@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:00 PM 19/02/99 -0500, Genevieve wrote: > Are they in poor taste? Absolutely. Are they rude and >insulting? Yes. Should they be forcibly removed from the Internet? >No. Absolutely not. >They are protected (as we are) by freedom of speech, and freedom of the >press. Yeah, these one aren't quite as bad as the last bunch done by the same individuals which featured photos of FoLCs with their heads and bodies chopped off and placed on animal parts, along with their names, (in some cases phone numbers) and addresses coupled with lewd statements regarding (in my case -- prostitution), in other cases gross acts with other online FoLCs. Statements regarding sexual orientation and profanity additionally. I don't believe in that particular form of freedom of speech. I'm sorry. People have the right to create (parody -- and I'm using the term loosely here), when it regards the public domain. But this isn't about public domain. It's not even about celebrities. This is about personal individuals. Expressing an opinion?? I don't belive you or I would get away with purchasing highway billboard space, and then putting up a vulgar photo of our next door neighbour, along with lewd messages, and that individual's personal information, phone number etc... Yet that's exactly what these *individuals* got away with one time already, and now (in toning it down a little, since there was threat of legal action last time) are attempting to get away with again. And we're going to let them because it's their right? Repeated and public slander of *indivuduals* isn't my idea of free speech. I hadn't wanted to point this particular site out. But I suppose I have to now. Take a look at what was done to yet another person by the same web authors (this time, a 13 year old who believed that those two *individuals* were his friends. I know this because he defended them to me on more than one occation, seeing as how they write for his L&C Club Newsletter). *sigh* The boy is 13 years old. Freedom of SPEECH? Who here has children of their own? I don't myself. So perhaps you're right, and neither he nor his parents would mind these two young ladies excercising their right to freedom of speech. http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/sy13ag.htm *sigh* Demi ___________________________________________ Demi aka Demona demona@shaw.wave.ca http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ "Free your heart from your mind. Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not." - Charles de Lint ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:18:41 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nicole Wagner Subject: Re: Tribute to Mark Zarate, visual effects supervisor for L&C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > >Also... Pass gut auf und spiele aufmerksam. Das Spiel dauert= 3 > > > > > > Minuten. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Es zahlt sich aus. Das wichtigste bei diesem Spiel ist, > > > > > > > > > > > > >dass du die Fragen der Reihe nach beantwortest und nicht die= Fragen > > > > > > > > > > > > >oder sogar das Ergebnis im voraus liest. Wirst du nach > > > > > > > > > > > > >irgendwechen Namen von Personen gefragt, so schreibe nur Nam= en von > > > > > > > > > > > > >Personen auf, die du wirklich kennst und schreibe die > > > > > > > > > > > > >Namen instinktiv hin. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Achtung, fertig, los; das Spiel beginnt. Hier die Vorgehensweise: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Als allererstes nimm dir ein weisses Blatt Papier. Lies nur jeweils > > > > > > > > > > > > >eine Zeile, sonst verlierst du die Freude am Spiel! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1. Schreibe in einer Spalte die Zahlen 1 bis 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >2. Nun schreib neben den Zahlen 1 und 2 zwei Zahlen die dir gerade > > > > > > einfallen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >3. Schreibe neben den Zahlen 3 und 7 jeweils einen Namen vom= > > > anderen > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geschlecht. Schaue nicht auf die anderen Fragen, sonst > > > > > > > > > > > > >funktioniert es nicht!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >4. Schreibe nun neben 4, 5 und 6 Namen von Freunden oder > > > > > > > > > > > > >Familienangehoerigen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >5. Schreibe neben 8, 9, 10 und 11 Titel von deinen > > > Lieblingsliedern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >6. Wuensche dir etwas! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hier ist das Spiel zu Ende. Hier das Ergebnis: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Du musst so vielen Leuten wie bei 2 steht von diesem Spiel= > > > > > > erzaehlen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Die Person neben der 3 ist diejenige die du liebst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Die neben der 7 ist diejenige, die dir gefaellt mit der es= aber > > > > > > nicht > > > > > > > > > > > > > klappt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Von der Person neben der 4 haeltst du sehr viel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Die Person neben der 5 kennt dich sehr gut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Die Person neben der 6 ist dein Gluecksstern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Das Lied bei der 8 verbindet dich mit der Person an der 3.= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Der Titel an der 9 ist das Lied der Nummer 7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Das Lied an der 10 sagt am meisten ueber deinen Geist aus.= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Das Lied neben Nummer 11 sagt dir was du fuer das Leben > > > > > > > > > > > > > empfindest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Viel Gl=FCck bei deiner Mission! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Schicke dieses Mail an 10 Personen. Du hast genau eine Stund= e Zeit > > > ab > > > > > > > > > > > > >dem Moment, in dem du es entdeckt hast. Befolgst du diese Anweisung > > > > > > und > > > > > > > > > > > > >hast du das innerhalb einer Stunde erledigt, so geht dein Wunsch in > > > > > > > > > > > > >Erf=FCllung. Tust du es nicht, so geschieht genau das Gegent= eil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:20:50 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: julie slisz Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Just have to toss my opinion in here. >>>>1. How many L&C fanfic writers are M / F?<<<< >>> I'd say the majority (at least the ones I know) of the authors are female.<<< >> WOW! Doesn't Ck get a chance?<< >I'd say he gets his fair share. Just because an author is female doesn't mean that she can't write a male character. There was a discussion on point of view a little while back, and some authors stated that they found it easier to write Clark. Again, to each his own. :)< I think it is easier to write Clark than it is to write Lois for the simple reason that Clark is the kind of man most women dream of meeting. Personally, it's easier to write Clark for me because I just have to put what I want in there, if that makes sense. Lois isn't hard, but she's not nearly as easy. I often get stuck trying to figure out how to have her respond to Clark's actions without throwing a lot of my own personality (which over the years has grown to be a lot like lois's) into her responses. I have pretty much memorized most of the episodes of Lois and Clark and so trying to anticipate what she'll say is getting easier the more I write. The only thing I still have problems with is the villians in my stories. Since they aren't based on the show because I usually pull them out of a crevice in my imagination, I usually spend the most time working on their interactions. Ok, enough of my opinion. Julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:27:51 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cliff Englert Subject: Re: disturbing news In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >If someone can give me a couple more of those sites I'd be willing to definitly do something over it! I don't write L&C, but no one, BUT NO ONE has the right to do that to anyone!!!!!!!! Sambrea ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:59:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jedi Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:00 PM 2/19/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Like a lot of you I suspect, I went over and looked at the sites Demi >mentioned. Are they in poor taste? Absolutely. Are they rude and >insulting? Yes. Should they be forcibly removed from the Internet? >No. Absolutely not. > >They are protected (as we are) by freedom of speech, and freedom of the >press. > There is a fine line between freedom of the press and slander. Once you start defaming someone's character you cross that line. You are no longer protected by freedom of speech. I am a journalist and that is the first thing that you learn. Once you slander someone, they can sue you for slander and defamation of character. Tanya ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:04:43 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Alicia B. Ablola" Subject: Re: Disturbing News :( Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 02/19/99 09:01:27 US Mountain Standard Time, demona@SHAW.WAVE.CA writes: << http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/confused.htm >> I'm not really well known on this list but I just wanted to say how upsetting it is for anyone to be so immature. I looked at both sites and it was truly apalling to see how sick some people can actually be. I thought that these stories and lists were supposed to be for the fans to enjoy. I guess I was wrong. I hope that there is a way to put a stop to this once and for all. Kismet ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:23:27 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Eileen F. Ray" Subject: Re: L&C Fanfic Writing Session Saturday, February 20, 1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone, Now that our skip week mini session is over, things are back to normal (or as normal as they ever get around here ) so we hope you can join us week for our regular fanfic writing session, on Saturday February 20, 1999. This week's premise: As if their ordinary lives aren't stressful enough, Lois and Clark now have to deal with unusual out of town guests, when Lord Trey and a few of his charges >from New Krypton decide to visit Earth ;). We would still like to hear from you if you have any story premises of your own that you would like us to explore together. You can either email them to me at: eraygun@aol.com Or better still, just bring your ideas with you when you join us this Saturdayor for our weekly "story bouncing" sessions on Wednesdays on #L&CFicOrg, starting around 9:00 PM EDT. We generally meet Saturdays starting at 3 PM EDT and try to start writing fairly soon thereafter. You can come and join the fun at any time, however. We are usually there for several hours since writing a story takes time. Since #L&CFanfic is on occasion "invite only" please message if you want to join us. If an official "inviter" is designated, we will let you know. Some of us should be hanging out on #Loiscla. A note on procedure here ;) : When people need to be caught up on the story in progress after being bounced off IRC or just joining the session late, please try and avoid pasting the story directly into the channel window. Please do that in a private message or dcc-chat window instead. Hope to see you all there! Cheers, Eileen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:56:05 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Demi wrote: "Who here has children of their own? I don't myself. So perhaps you're right, and neither he nor his parents would mind these two young ladies excercising their right to freedom of speech." Well, I have two sons, a sixteen year old and a thirteen year old. I also have the "honor" of being the parent with the house full of kids every weekend and all summer long. I can tell you that kids that age are fascinated by all matters sexual, love the kind of juvenile, disgusting word play used on the site Demi mentioned, and love nothing more than saying things that appal adults. Clean speech and staying out of inappropriate websites is a constant issue if you have kids. However, there is a line between relatively normal grossness and inappropriate speech, writing etc. If one of my kids decided to exercise his right of free speech as these kids have, you can be sure that I would exercise my right to yank his on-line privileges and turn him into a "Kids Only" kind of guy. Obviously the parents of these kids either do not have the same values I do or they don't have a clue as to what their children are up to. ( I'd be willing to bet on the latter.) One other interesting thought-- Geocities will not allow my son to construct a website at all because his screen name is listed under parental controls on AOL as a teen. Therefore, these kids must be listed as adults to be able to create the websites. I don't particularly believe in censorship by providers, but parents should be censoring their children, not only what they are looking at, but also what they are creating for others to see. I hope this made some sense. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:21:11 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Comments: cc: LISTSERV@vm.ege.edu.tr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/19/99 4:02:38 PM Central Standard Time, nightsky@erols.com writes: << They are protected (as we are) by freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. >> Actually, it isn't parody, or even freedom of speech, it's old fashioned harassment. There's also been threats of bodily harm, and I certainly hope that's not protected under "freedom of speech". These AOL kids literally terrorized the IRC channel #loiscla for 5 days straight. From about 9 PM to sunrise each day. They were banned and kicked from the channel for using profanity and flaming people on the channel, but because they were on AOL there was no way to permanently ban them without banning *everyone* who signs on via AOL. They kept changing their nicks and rejoining the channel. The channel #loiscla is protected by a "channel bot". A few people who frequent the channel were given "ops" (channel operator status) so that they could kick and/or ban people who disrupt the channel. One night I was signed on #loiscla. I had to leave the computer for a few minutes, when I returned, the bottom of my screen was lit up with "messages" (private communication on IRC) from people signed on #loiscla complaining about four "newbies" to the channel who had joined and started telling the story about "knocking up" a 13 year old girl. The people on the channel who had messaged me were asking me to kick those people from the channel. I scrolled back and saw that they were being crude, had been asked to stop, but did not. So I kicked them from the channel. They were "Lostone" "zipz" "zeno" and "happyguy" It turns out that they were in reality Jeff (ClarkXX@aol.com), Dan (Superman92@aol.com), Lorin (LorinJade@aol.com) and Sharon McKay (Smckay20@aol.com) They were all pretending to be "newbies" to cause trouble. They succeeded. Then, when caught, they all pleaded innocent, but *still* did not give their real names. Jeff finally admitted the next night of harassment that he had been "zipz" and said "we really played you guys". They weren't sorry, remorseful, nor felt they had done anything that warranted being kicked and banned from the channel. The next night, Dan Patterson signed on as "Luthor" and he and Jeff and the others had gotten so out of control that we had to do something we never had to do before, we set #loiscla to "moderated" status. When an IRC channel is set to moderated, *only* those with ops or given "voice" (+v) status can speak on the channel. It was the only way to stop the constant stream of profanity and flaming. Then they changed their nicknames to names like "F***er" and "B**ch" etc. Those were not fun days for the Lois and Clark chat channel. The only thing that allowed Steve (another channel op) and I to keep one step ahead of them is that they were very unfamiliar with IRC and how it works. They thought, for example, if they stole my signon "zoomway" that they would be able to access the #loiscla channel bot, but they were wrong, thank goodness. They needed a password, and didn't have one. Now, as far as all the juvenile insults, I fortunately outgrew being upset by that kind of thing in junior high, however, when they would attack younger people on the channel, it hurt them. Here's a snip of the channel log the night Jeff (ClarkXX) stole the "zoomway" sign on. I'm "zoomster" on the channel since Jeff took my nick: sjh> is that someone being a zoom imposter? no! The Zoomway is the imposter Zoomster is the real thing tonight. okay give me a second that's zoom, that's james , and i'm me :) * AbbaJames winks back yes, Steve the "zoomway" nick is the imposter, it's one of the AOL kids ;) There *is* an evil Zoom imposter... using Zoomway... I still think impersonating Zoom is a felony Steve, they are off the obnoxious channels now, but earlier they signed on as Zoomway and put her in all these disqusting channels. yeah, what bad taste they have, SF yeah...evil Zoomway called me ugly ;/ * sjh notes impersonating zoom is evil oh well they should be dissapearing zoon who does he think he is..my mirror! Andrea, they are just trying to get you. You're not. Dani, that means that zoomway has never seen you, everyone at the fest thought you looked great, so don't let it get you down yes, I've seen pics of you Andrea .. you are very attractive. They are just saying this because they know it will hurt your feelings. He can't even think of a good comeback it's Jeff, Allison, Tater, Lorin, and I'll have to look at the cut and paste for the others Steve - soon, we can only hope. they've been at it for hours, and various games like it every night for the last 4. For someone who hates the show, he sure does spend a lot of time in L&C places Enroe (pacey that Thurs night) kept telling me "think of all the things you coud be doing with this time" but -- ignoring the irony of who was saying it -- it's like hello?? You going to pay my babysitters? I know, Kathy, it's ironic My husband works most evenings and I can't help him with lesson planning. I don't watch TV, I read a lot during the day, both books and the paper ... I am so busy during the day I have friends say they don't konw how I do it all -- what am I missing by hanging out here at night? LOL! That's all I do too Later, the moment of truth. Steve /msged me with the "unmasking" information on my stolen nick and I posted it to the channel: ClarkXX is [Clark@204-106-243.ipt.aol.com] zoomway is [zoomway@204-106-243.ipt.aol.com] busted At any rate, you get the picture. This was relentless, tiresome, infuriating harassment, there's no real other word for it. Then when we moderated the channel, they gave up temporarily. I voluntarily left the #loiscla channel to keep from tempting them from returning. Once I was off the channel, they got bored and only pop in periodically to make certain they've still won. Once they could no longer reach me on IRC, they started IMing me on AOL. First they used "Pumpkin" an underaged fan that Jeff and Taryne thought would be the perfect dupe to use for one of their games: Pumpkin622: Hi Zoom! Zoomway: hey, pumpkin ;) Pumpkin622: i hate to be so, exact on the point, but, what's a blow job? (in case you're wondering, Taryn and JEff told me to ask you :) See, in this case, they were using a kid to exercise their "freedom of speech" I guess ;) Then they got smarter and started using the AIM (AOL Instant Messenger) program to reach me. One of them used "shiningJack" as their sign on and sent the message "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" over and over again (Like from the movie The Shining) Then they hit the complaint button so that *my* nick would get a warning against it! Yeah, nothing like some good ole freedom of speech :P Fortunately, as the old saying goes, give someone enough rope and he'll hang himself, well, Jeff sent this in a message: I want a jacket like that, where can I get one? something tells me I wouldnt find this in a store...at least in the last 25 years maybe it was a virtual store ;) do your shopping from home huh? good choice shop smart, shop S mart ;) Apparently Jeff had no idea the line I quoted came from the film Army of Darkness, so when the insulting website was put up, he unintentionally busted himself by stating I got the jacket at S-mart. He's the *only* person I told that to. I actually got the jacket at WearGuard I'm no coward, so I don't block my IMs from anyone who wants to reach me. I won't sign on IRC with a phony nick to hide either, but this harassment is into its third year now, and so I and Demi agreed enough was enough and to go "public" with this. We respected *their* privacy before and never told anyone what so many of us have gone through at their hands, well, it seems the "secrecy" only served to allow them to get way out of control. They were threatened with one lawsuit over a truly perverse site last year, and begged, cried and pleaded and *quickly* claimed to be minors. The pages were taken down, but others put up in their place on geocities. Again, so remorse, and no respect of *our* privacy. I've saved the *best* of their sites for last since it's aimed at me. The other woman in the pictures I'm afraid I didn't even know, so I had to ask Demi and April who she is. Apparently she's a WBVL host named Sally. I've never met her, unless it was in a WB chat room, but they didn't pair me with Demi or April I suppose because April has no photos on the net and Demi only had a photo of herself as a toddler up on the internet, and since they grafted that photo of hers with an animal body, I suppose she did the smart thing not putting up current photos. I have seen current photos of Demi, she not only makes her living as an actress, she's a very attractive young lady as well ;) Anyway, here's their best site, and I think the pictures ironically show that the kids are talented, but because they use their talent to hurt, rather that to do anything constructive, I'm at a loss really to understand what they get out of any of this. I never thought I'd look so good as Richard Geere in the "Ugly Woman" movie poster, or so good as Leonardo DiCaprio in the "Satanic" movie poster ;) I guess I should be flattered in the two Lois and Clark pictures I was given the role of Lois rather than Clark. I'm afraid I'm not sensitive about the way I look. To quote John Candy in Planes, Trains and Automobiles, "I like me" Even on my "who is zoomway" page, I jokingly refer to myself as "that trollish creature" ;) I've been married for 17 years to a very sweet and loving man. Anyone who met him at the various folc fests can testify to that. He even worked very hard busting my sunglasses so that HG Wells (Jenny Mills) could have eyeglasses ;) I hope one day these kids have someone who love them as much, or that they love as much. I really mean that. I think maybe love in general or a feeling of self-worth is what they're currently missing in their lives and so that's why they lash out at others who are still fans of Lois and Clark, but it's sad that they do. Anyway, have fun with their last site. Remember, I'm the one with the brown hair and no glasses ;) Well, except in the Godzilla picture, that's really Godzilla's leg, not mine http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/theater.htm Zoomway@aol.com (reminding *everyone* that freedom OF speech does not mean freedom FROM the consequences of misusing that freedom ;) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:39:55 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet In-Reply-To: <36CDDEEA.4A1E74F5@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:00 PM 2/19/1999 -0500, Geneieve wrote: [snip] >Just ignore them. I agree. I visited. I yawned. I went back to watching Mt. Etna. (http://www.iiv.ct.cnr.it/files/cam_index_etna.html) Debby Debby@swcp.com who wasn't flamed, either... and is not real sure if I should feel relieved (because their opinion means nothing to me <------- and I'm surprised they upset others) <-------- or insulted ;) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:02:30 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>freedom OF speech does not mean freedom FROM the consequences of misusing that freedom Absolutely! Does anyone know for sure that these people are kids? If so, is there any way to contact their parents on-line to inform them what their little darlings are up to? If there is, that might be effective (assuming their parents are merely clueless, and not totally lacking in values. ) Some parents do want to know when their children are misbehaving.. They definitely need some "Parental Controls." I have to admit, I have taught high school for 21 years, been a parent for 16, and a Scout leader for 7, and I have NEVER seen the likes of what these kids are doing in all that time. It is truly appalling to think that they are so unsupervised that they can get away with it. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:23:55 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: April Story Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-19 22:03:09 EST, you write: << Absolutely! Does anyone know for sure that these people are kids? If so, is there any way to contact their parents on-line to inform them what their little darlings are up to? If there is, that might be effective (assuming their parents are merely clueless, and not totally lacking in values. ) Some parents do want to know when their children are misbehaving.. They definitely need some "Parental Controls." >> I was going to wait to respond to this but I just thought that I would jump in here =) Enore is 15 or 16 years old......Mandi is now 19 as of last December.....Jeff is over 21.......the rest are within that range, I believe. Both Mandi and Enore's parents *were* contacted last year by an attorney (by phone) after the first websites were done. Their parents are fully aware of what their children are up to. One mother didn't seem to really care and the other one said she would take care of it - either way - it obviously did no good whatsoever and did not impact them at all that the threat of a lawsuit was going to happen if anything ever showed up again. These pages, we are all now aware of, were found by pure chance or fate - however you want to look at it and it appears that they were done on or about May 6, 1998 which is the same time they were served notice last year.... So, would contacting their parents make a difference - unfortunately probably not =( It was a great idea though and for the majority of teens out there - would have been the way to go - but not with these people =( Either way, you are right - they do need some Parental Controls - but it seems to me - the ones they currently have didn't do their job right the first time.... I will also share with you all that Mandi sent a huge apology letter before and promised not to ever do it again.......so I can just imagine the surprise that these 2 and the others as well when they find out their pages have been discovered! Zoom, Demi - you all did a wonderful thing here of making the decision to let FoLCdom know about what many of us have kept quiet for a long time. I say that to both of you cause while 99% of all the FoLCs I have ever come across online are really sweet, caring and generous people - there is that 1% that makes things extremely difficult and puts a bad name to the folcs..... I used to feel sorry for that group - BUT they are way too malicious, vendictive and just plain mean people. So, be careful out there FoLCs. I have been reading all the emails that have come through today and it is time the FoLCs took a stand on behavior like this......send in your complaints to Geocities - a message needs to go out that we do not accept this type of behavior that is so cruel, crude and unjust! April <~~~stepping down from soapbox LOL sorry, didn't know this post would be so long =) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:31:16 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Free Speech on the Internet In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990219172235.00a43e30@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:22 PM -0500 2/19/99, demona wrote: > Take a look at what was done to yet another person by the same web >authors (this time, a 13 year old who believed that those two *individuals* >were his friends. I know this because he defended them to me on more than >one occation, seeing as how they write for his L&C Club Newsletter). *sigh* Does he know about this site? Does he still consider them his friends??? Kathy (who thinks the phrase "your right to swing your arm ends where my nose begins" applies here, people.) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:45:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet In-Reply-To: <20b8af51.36ce25c6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:02 PM -0500 2/19/99, Ann E. McBride wrote: >Absolutely! Does anyone know for sure that these people are kids? If so, is >there any way to contact their parents on-line to inform them what their >little darlings are up to? If there is, that might be effective (assuming >their parents are merely clueless, and not totally lacking in values. ) In at least the case of Enore/Swimmer, her mother was apparently made aware of the situation last year, when her 15 year old daughter put up the first of these sites, and was contacted by a lawyer on behalf of the people slandered. I read the email she sent when she discovered the people contacted attorneys. She begged, sobbed and groveled for mercy. She apologized up and down and swore she'd never do it again. She claimed her mom had a car accident because she was so upset over the whole thing. Obviously mom isn't monitoring her daughters activities anymore. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:09:21 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I went to take a look at the two sites Demi mentioned and the one Zoomway referred to, and I found the following quote by following the hidden link at the bottom of the "CellD Cinema" page: >>Bad news, CELL D fans. The Gameroom and Movie Theater have been closed, due to popular demand. SO many people visited the gameroom and movie theater that the web threatened to crash. The company who made the counters went crazy, they had never created a counter with a bandwidth more than 100 numbers, and in fact, the site was SO COOL that it was causing mass hysteria. We couldn't afford to put the site in that many languages, either. But good news, Cell D'ers! By signing the guestbook, found on the main page, you'll receive a complimentary link to our gameroom and movie theater, which have been moved to FortuneCity. Thank you for being a Friend of Cell D! Or, Enore's being a liar, because she took the site down for legal reasons. << That may be why there were no summaries of the posters, and it supports both Demi's and Zoom's belief that these kids will simply fold up their tents and move elsewhere. The "worst fics" page is juvenile and, frankly, a yawner, but it certainly says more about the creators of the page than about the fics, several of which are among my personal favorites. I'm not sure whether the Cell D page crosses the legal line between parody and slander. US law allows enormous latitude for parodies of celebrities, politicians, and other *public* figures, but the courts have tended to be less forgiving of slander of private individuals. The GG Cain "parody" would be classed as a parody of a published work (and if it's on the net, especially on an open site, it's published) and, as such, would be protected, except that Mandi and Enore couldn't resist some truly slanderous attacks on GG personally. That single site of the three might qualify as one that Geocities could close, and I intend to write to the Geocities site and point that out. Sheila Harper (now I understand how Lois felt in STGTTWNK after reading the tabloid articles Clark had collected: "I feel like I should be chemically hosed.") ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:11:27 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sue Modolo Subject: Free Speech, Etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I have sat back and read all the comments regarding all the stuff going on the Internet re these kids. I have a 13 years old daughter and because I spend some much time here reading fanfic and going into chatrooms, my kids are not really interested. It sickens me to hear about what these kids are doing. i have not gone to the websites, but from what you guys describe it, I would not really not want to. I think that FoLC are one of the best group of people on the Internet. Most of the kids involved in this campaign, I don't thimk their parents know what they are doing and to be perfectly frank and honest, I don't think they really care. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:26:58 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pat Subject: Re: Disturbing News :( MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Demi wrote: >Well I’m through letting this go. Through keeping quiet, and through >hoping it will stop. It obviously will not and I’m so disgusted right >now, I have very little further to add at this point save this: I've always felt that the first person to publicly stand up to a bully and say, "what you're doing is wrong, and it has to stop," is a very brave individual. Once someone has said the scary words, it's easy for others who feel the same way to stand up *behind* her. Thank you for being the brave one, Demi :) I support free speech and open access to reading material. My degree is in Library and Information Science, and free speech is the credo of our profession. But free speech is *not* carte blanche, legally or morally, to say anything one chooses in the public venue of their choice. An individual who causes a riot by shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater, when s/he darn well knows there's no fire, is going to find herself/himself facing the consequences in a court of law (provided s/he survives the stampede ;) and a defense of "I was just exercising my right to free speech," isn't going to keep her/him out of jail. (I believe that particular point of law was upheld at Supreme Court level) Tanya wrote: >>There is a fine line between freedom of the press and slander. Once you start defaming someone's character you cross that line. You are no longer protected by freedom of speech. I am a journalist and that is the first thing that you learn. Once you slander someone, they can sue you for slander and defamation of character<< This kind of thing happens to the tabloids with some regularity. They print (untrue) sensational stories about public figures, get sued, and lose the case in court. Freedom of speech doesn't give newspapers a license to lie or defame. The tabloids write off the loss as "the cost of doing business" (these cases are fought in civil court, so the consequences are fines or settlements, not jail time) Unfortunately, most people remember the sensational and erroneous story (which got a lot of press), rather than the tabloid's court room defeat (which got minimal coverage), and the lies follow the maligned public figure for the rest of his/her life. There's a big difference between freedom of speech and character assassination. Kathy B wrote: >>...since this is not the first time they've done this, I plan to demand that Geocities not only take down these individual sites, but to revoke access from the people involved permanently. They obviously keep putting up new sites when the old ones get taken down. I hope you will all join me in that goal. Complain to: http://www.geocities.com/main/info/company/contact/alert_form.html and list the sites you are complaining about with a personal note<< The fact that this girls continue to pursue and persecute their victims is particularly upsetting. Someone would have to be very troubled to invest this kind of time and effort in such a negative pursuit. (Remember, this has been going on for two or three years) And since these girls have never had to face the consequences of their actions, they'll continue to push the envelope, most likely until they get into some really serious trouble and/or do even greater damage to more innocent people. Ignoring their activities not only encourages their cruelty, it delays their getting the help that they so obviously need. Like Kathy, I'm going to write to Geocities, ask that the offending pages be removed, and that these individuals' accounts be closed. Because Geocities is partially supported by their advertisers, I'm also going to inform Geocities that I won't be patronizing those advertisers until the pages are removed. I can't help but wonder how MSN.Expedia, eBay, and ShowDown Casino (the ads that popped up when I went to the pages in question) would feel about advertising on Geocities if they knew their companies were being linked to this kind of nonsense and cruelty. Mischere wrote: >>I would like to encourage each one of you targeted to try to remain strong and know that all of us appreciate your efforts despite such uncalled for adversity<< Beautifully said, Mischere, and I couldn't agree more! Pat (wondering if anti-stalker laws cover activities on the internet) peabody@mcs.com pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:25:27 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: PJ Piasecki Subject: Re: disturbing news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just checked out these two sites and I'm.....I'm speechless. (Ask Peace - she'll tell you that that's a first) I've never seen such vile, bitter, vitriolic spew in my life. Just how old are these children anyway? And why are they so jealous of creative people? Pathetic. Still spinning, Piper ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:35:53 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I've already said something about this whole matter, but I couldn't refrain from saying something else. As a member of the age bracket that these "kids" are in I have to say that this is the first time I've actually been embarassed to be their age group. Humiliated is more like it. Even when I went through my stage where I wanted to be a "rebel" I never considered actually defacing other people or their work. Just so you know, we *aren't* all this disgusting and cruel. Do you think you could put a comprehensive list of all the sites as well as the geocities address. I want to write, but more stuff keeps coming in and I think I lost some of it before I realized what it was. Rachel I'm agreeing with whoever felt they needed to be chemically hosed like Lois did. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:58:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pat Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rachel wrote: >As a member of the age bracket that these "kids" are in I have to say >that this is the first time I've actually been embarassed to be their >age group. Humiliated is more like it. Even when I went through my stage >where I wanted to be a "rebel" I never considered actually defacing >other people or their work. Just so you know, we *aren't* all this >disgusting and cruel. Perish the thought, Rachel! One of the many things that I enjoy about the list is the way that people of so many different ages interact so well. In the last 2-1/2 years, I've learned a lot more about contemporary films, music, and fashions than I ever expected to, thanks in large part to your age group ;) I've attended three fests, and have yet to meet anyone who's either digusting or cruel :) Most of us went through that rebel stage at one point or another, but I seriously that many (any?) of us dealt with it in quite the way that these kids have. >I'm agreeing with whoever felt they needed to be chemically hosed like >Lois did. Uhhh...yeah, I've been looking for that hose myself ;p Pat peabody@mcs.com pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:04:51 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genine Murray Subject: Re: Disturbing News :( Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey FoLCs, I'm not going to insert any of the old posts here, because this thread has become *HUGE*, and if I replied to all of the comments I wanted to I'm sure this would be the *longest* e-mail in FoLC-history! I just want to say a few quick things in response to this whole mess. I have been a "FoLC" since day one of L&C back in 1993. I have also been a member of the online-FoLC community pretty much since the first day I discovered the internet back in 1995. I have met *many wonderful* FoLCs in the 4 years I have been involved in FoLC-dom, and I have become friends with a lot of you. However, I must admit that I knew *nothing* of this horrendous incident until I read Demi's recent initial post on this issue. I have visited the two sites that Demi mentioned, as well as the one that Zoom posted, and let me just say that I was utterly *disgusted*. I have been in AOL chat rooms with some of the accused people on occassion, but I never really experienced any of their slander first hand. When I saw those sites, it made me sick to see that *anyone* would do what those kids did to some of the most respectable and nicest FoLCs, and people, I have ever met. I'm not exactly an expert on the whole free speech thing, but I do know that free speech has it's limits. What these kids are doing is *not* free-speech, it is slander, pure and simple. They should be stopped. I will write to Geocities as well requesting that these sites be removed, and if there is anything else I can do to help with this situation, I will. It seems it is time for the FoLCs to ban together once again, and stand up for ourselves and especially as each other. I don't know another group of people who are more capable of pulling together and beating this thing than us. To those FoLCs who were attacked personally: don't give up hope. The rest of the FoLCs (or at least 99.9% of us) stand behind you 100%. You do *not* deserve this kind of ill-treatment, and between all of us I hope that we can make up for what these kids have done. Please remember that all of us appreciate you and respect you and your work *very* much. I for one do not want to lose *any* of the work *any* of you have done online, but of course I understand if you feel you need to remove it. Still, let's not let a few mentally ill children ruin FoLC-dom for us. Let's stand up and fight. We've done it before and we can do it again ... hopefully with better results this time. ;-) I think I've said my peace ... it's not as elaborate as I wanted it to be but it's late and I'm tired. Take care FoLCs, and keep smiling! Genine SuperGem4@aol.com GMurray122@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:00:55 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Sharon L. Gilbert" Subject: Disturbing News Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i felt bad for the FOLCS who were getting grief from these folks. i visited one of the sites and was quite surprised to see a story i wrote listed there. glad i used a nickname. still, makes you wonder about some peoples' kids. i filed a complaint with geocities on both sites. hope this helps. me Sharon L. Gilbert ~~~~~~~Work like you don't need the money. **********Love like you won't get hurt. `````````````Dance like no one's looking ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:14:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, guys, Just back from complaining to Geocities, and to set some minds at rest: whether the 3 sites in question are protected by the first amendment or not, the ones targeting Zoom and GG are in violation of Geocities' content guidelines, which forbid defamation of a person or group. Sheila ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:32:28 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Sharon L. Gilbert" Subject: song request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i'm finishing up a fanfic and have a van morrison song in it. unfortunately, i can't quite get some of the lines and don't have the original cd to see if the words are on the jacket. can anyone point me to a website that might have that information or who is a big van morrison fan? thanks. sharon Sharon L. Gilbert ~~~~~~~Work like you don't need the money. **********Love like you won't get hurt. `````````````Dance like no one's looking ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:47:53 -0500 Reply-To: nsa105@psu.edu Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nethra Ankam Subject: Re: disturbing news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to say I visited the sites, was angry at what I saw, and complained to GeoCities. Do these people really dislike the Lois and Clark or something? Because if they like the show, they have a funny way of showing it. And if they don't like the show or its fans' efforts to keep the show's essence and memory alive, they are really strange to be spending so much time keeping up on FoLCdom so that they can be malicious. I'm about these people's ages, and I barely have time to keep up with and enjoy the things I love to do, and the people I love to be with. I don't have the inclination to be malicious, and even if I did have the inclination, I would not have the time to be malicious! I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding the rationale behind such activity and how they have time to do something so counter-productive...I try to make as many moments in my life count as I can (I really believe what Clark said in BY "It's not the years that count, but the moments"). I thought that something like this wouldn't happen in FoLCdom, which made my shock a little greater. And I guess I'm a little naive too... Usually the hardest thing to prove in a slander case is "malicious intent." But it isn't that hard to do so here, which is scary. just venting a little, Nethra ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:42:02 -1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: Re: Free Speech on the Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0C1C9A919E01C2DAF1261AEC" --------------0C1C9A919E01C2DAF1261AEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit demona wrote: > >>I hadn't wanted to point this particular site out. But I suppose I > have to > now. Take a look at what was done to yet another person by the same > web > authors (this time, a 13 year old who believed that those two > *individuals* > were his friends. I know this because he defended them to me on more > than > one occation, seeing as how they write for his L&C Club Newsletter). > *sigh* > > The boy is 13 years old. Freedom of SPEECH? Who here has children of > their > own? I don't myself. So perhaps you're right, and neither he nor his > > parents would mind these two young ladies excercising their right to > freedom of speech. > > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/sy13ag.htm<< so I'm confused, is this the same guy that does the Cyber Met newsletter. and One of the girls that works on this newletter with him, did this to him?? And they still write it? I get this newletter, howevre I am so busy I never ever read them and have them all stuck away for later. But fan fic keeps me to happy and too busy. But someone mentioned how they cancelled wanting to get this newsletter, cuz of the person doing this writing for them. Well, I will cancell too, and all those news letters waiting for me are gonna get the delete button! jme --------------0C1C9A919E01C2DAF1261AEC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit demona wrote:
>>I hadn't wanted to point this particular site out.  But I suppose I have to
now.  Take a look at what was done to yet another person by the same web
authors (this time, a 13 year old who believed that those two *individuals*
were his friends.  I know this because he defended them to me on more than
one occation, seeing as how they write for his L&C Club Newsletter).  *sigh*

The boy is 13 years old.  Freedom of SPEECH? Who here has children of their
own?  I don't myself.  So perhaps you're right, and neither he nor his
parents would mind these two young ladies excercising their right to
freedom of speech.

http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/sy13ag.htm<< ;

so I'm confused, is this the same guy that does the Cyber Met newsletter. and One of the girls that works on this newletter with him, did this to him?? And they still write it?

I get this newletter, howevre I am so busy I never ever read them and have them all stuck away for later. But fan fic keeps me to happy and too busy. But someone mentioned how they cancelled wanting to get this newsletter, cuz of the person doing this writing for them. Well, I will cancell too, and all those news letters waiting for me are gonna get the delete button!

jme  --------------0C1C9A919E01C2DAF1261AEC-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 03:07:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Becky Bain Subject: Lois's reading material Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LabRat said: >BTW, anyone know what the title of that book Lois is reading in bed in WX3 >is? I've tried freezing that frame so many times to no avail. I know, it's >sad. Very, very sad. Just curious. Ha! I know this one. It's "Where the Lost Aprils Are," by Elisabeth Ogilvie. It's been many years since I read this (although Ogilvie continues to be a favorite author), so all I really remember about the story is that it made me cry and cry. Oh, and it's definitely not a bodice ripper. ::going back to lurk mode:: Becky My candle burns at both ends; It will not last the night; But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - It gives a lovely light! - Edna St. Vincent Millay rbain@uswest.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:23:55 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/99 12:14:41 AM Central Standard Time, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes: << Just back from complaining to Geocities, and to set some minds at rest: whether the 3 sites in question are protected by the first amendment or not, the ones targeting Zoom and GG are in violation of Geocities' content guidelines, which forbid defamation of a person or group. >> Thanks, Sheila. I also wanted to thank a lot of folc who sent e-mail. The truism that never seems to fail is that 99.9% of folc are just darn nice people ;) As I told someone else in an e-mail, I'm definitely *no* angel. I've had what could easily be seen as out and out flame wars with some of these kids, and sometimes gotten downright nasty, though I've never used profanity. Using "#$%" the comic strip symbol is about as far as I go However, it would never occur to me in a million years to set up a website to humiliate people, alter their photos, call them names, etc. I think most of us hoped they would have gotten over this a long time ago, or moved onto something they actually did like, but it just never happened. I feel truly bad for some fans who were attacked and never once interacted with these people. These kids had tried to disrupt the Kerth awards last year, but because the channel was moderated, they were prevented from doing so. That might be why some of those fanfic writers were chosen to be attacked, they had the gall to win a Kerth last year. Shame on them ;) Just remember, people who don't know you, can't really hurt you. Keep your spirits up if you were one of the writers attacked. Zoomway@aol.com ("it's been a loooong day" ;) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:35:09 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: NKWolke Subject: Re: Saint Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hey Folcs :-) Uh uh... I wrote: >>>I must confess though that I agree with Anne on the "fight-issue". I don't like arguments and fights myself and avoid them as far as I can and I see Clark more like myself (probably just wishful thinking I guess ) as the type who stays calm and doesn't give into the urge to "fight back". That doesn't necessarily mean that he hasn't a point or that he's weak. He just doesn't want to hurt anyone and he knows that emotional fighting almost always does.<<< and Kathy answered: >>> Did we watch the same show? Clark established a pattern very early on in the show of hurling insults and biting comments at Lois when he was frustrated or upset. Did she give as good as she got? Yes, and then some, but Clark is no saint!<<< I must confess, I never saw it that way. Of course Clark is no saint and of course he doesn't behave any better than other people. I just see Lois as the more agressive, more impulsive character and Clark as the more defensive and more "harmony-searching" (I made that word up, I know ) character. You're right with every scene you described, Kathy, but I like to think that these scenes are 'breaks' in Clarks usual behavior. Normally he's always the polite interview partner, the good friend to Jimmy, the good son and the sensitive friend to Lois, but then she does something and "Suprise! Our Clark has a temper hidden somwhere under the smooth surface!" The same happens to Lois. She's the tough newswoman, never afraid, always in the front, no friends, no life between her and the story. She's partnered with Clark and wham! She confesses that she has broken all her rules, she writes a romance-novel and is afraid she'll die without ever finding her true love. Somehow Lois manages to pull Clark out of his mild-mannered-everybody's-Darling-image the same way *he* manages to pull Lois out of her Mad-dog-Lane-Bulldozer-image. We see unexpected temper from Clark and unexpected softness from Lois and maybe this is why they love each other. What I meant to say is that Clark IMHO doesn't search for a fight. He just 'reacts'. I see him as the 'sulking'-type who doesn't say something until the other one confronts him. Lois on the other hand has no qualms when it comes to that. I think if she has something on her heart she goes out and tells him imediately. That doesn't make any of them to a better person. They're just different. Maybe it's the right-brained, left-brained thing again. Colin could tell us :-) Nicole (who happily says 'no' to Saint Clark) AKA CKgroupie on IRC NKWolke@t-online.de ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:14:24 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-19 18:57:31 EST, jedi@ONLINK.NET writes: << Once you slander someone, they can sue you for slander and defamation of character. >> Well last week there was an article in our newspaper about high school students creating what they called bash web sites where they said many nasty things about classmates and sometimes teachers. One school talked to the host server to ask them to remove the site but as soon as these are taken down the students move to another host server. In at least one case classmates and/or teachers were really hurt (defamation of character by untrue things said about them) and I believe it was Prodigy won a court case that it wasn't responsible for what its members wrote! --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:36:25 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Nominations Close Tomorrow!! Comments: cc: lnc list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi fanfic fans! One last reminder for all of you who are planning on nominating your favorite fanfics for this year's Kerth Awards: nominations close tomorrow, Sunday, at midnight! I will not be accepting any nominations after that, so be sure to submit yours by then. Your nomination may very well make the difference in your favorite story's making the final list of nominees or not. So finish up that fanfic reading over the weekend, everyone! I'll be hoping to hear from you in the next two days. And many, *many* thanks to those of you who have made the effort to get your nominations to me already. I appreciate each of you! You make my job that much easier. :) Oh, and just a little spoiler... (hmmm...maybe I should insert a spoiler space just like old times ) From the looks of the ever-growing amount of truly terrific stories that have made their way to my tally sheets, it's going to be another GREAT Kerth Awards this year! :) Bye for now! Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** NOMINATE YOUR FAVORITE FANFIC! http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/kerth-nom.html ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:45:39 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Saint Clark... veers slightly from topic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This post is a bit off topic... more about my relationship as compared to L&C than exclusively the show... but I tried to keep it relevant . In a message dated 2/20/99 4:36:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, NKWolke@T- ONLINE.DE writes: > > What I meant to say is that Clark IMHO doesn't search for a fight. He just > 'reacts'. I see him as the 'sulking'-type who doesn't say something until > the > other one confronts him. Lois on the other hand has no qualms when it comes > to > that. I think if she has something on her heart she goes out and tells him > imediately. That doesn't make any of them to a better person. They're just > different. Maybe it's the right-brained, left-brained thing again. Colin > could > tell us :-) > I agree with your analysis... I deal with the same thing in my own marriage. The thing I've noticed, is that my husband lets things build up until the slightest thing (killing his story, getting kissed by Leslie) gets blown completely out of proportion. He tends to be most angry when I place myself in a dangerous situation (for me, this is going to a bad neighborhood by myself to shop, for Lois... well, marrying Lex wasn't exactly safe). Behind his fury (which is never expressed physically, BTW, but is usually shown first by an argument, and then followed by silence... sometimes days of silence... or only the most polite, courteous, maddening comments "are you picking up the boys", "Can you make sure the laundry gets finished", ect... you see, he's a big man, and always aware of his strenght) is always a concern for my saftely, and an intense love for me. I guess my point is, Clark isn't so different from other men. While we may see his rare flashes of temper as irrational and misplaced (I mean, for goodness sake... she killed a story... move on), most likely it is just the "last straw" of a situation he has held in for a long time, or a manifestation of his great love for her, and constant fear of losing her. You see, Clark never appeared to take his marriage for granted... he was always waiting for something to go wrong... he saw all the worst of the world, and I think that made him very touchy. Okay... enough rambling... thanks for reading this far ;) -Crys- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:51:35 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: Re: Free Speech on the Internet << so I'm confused, is this the same guy that does the Cyber Met newsletter. and One of the girls that works on this newletter with him, did this to him?? And they still write it? [snip] But someone mentioned how they cancelled wanting to get this newsletter, cuz of the person doing this writing for them. Well, I will cancell too, and all those news letters waiting for me are gonna get the delete button! >> I, too, think what was done to folcs on those web sites stepped over the boundaries of free speech, and I'd like to remove myself from the Cyber Metropolis newsletter list. It seems that there have been many AOL screen names used by these people, so I was wondering if anyone knew what address I should e-mail to get off the Cyber Metropolis list. Thanks. -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:24:00 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sue Modolo Subject: Geocities Websites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I came in the middle of this. Does anyone have the websites in question that they could send me. Thanks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:33:39 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: April Story Subject: Re: Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-20 10:54:01 EST, you write: << I, too, think what was done to folcs on those web sites stepped over the boundaries of free speech, and I'd like to remove myself from the Cyber Metropolis newsletter list. It seems that there have been many AOL screen names used by these people, so I was wondering if anyone knew what address I should e-mail to get off the Cyber Metropolis list. Thanks. >> You can reach Scotty Barnhart - the president of the Cyber Metropolis Club at SAB53085@aol.com April ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:53:58 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: A Newbie asks a question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/18/99 2:52:12 PM !!!First Boot!!!, bbmedos@GEOCITIES.COM writes: << Not so much an equal time attitude, as one in which he (Clark) is refusing to cooperate otherwise because "This is MY story we're talking about here and I want to tell it MY way!" >> This is such a fascinating look at a writer's mind. Thanks, Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:04:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Free Speech on the Internet In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 AM 20/02/99 EST, you wrote: >You can reach Scotty Barnhart - the president of the Cyber Metropolis Club at >SAB53085@aol.com Thanks April ... I tried to contact him today and I think I used his old address. Now here's a little more not so great news, FoLCs. I cannot believe this... here's another one, I believe they're trying to do parody, but then they call many of the authors profane names, and there's another photo of L&C author on this page as well. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting.htm Demi (Who's beginning to wonder just exactly what it'll take for Geocities to remove this trash) ___________________________________________ Demi aka Demona demona@shaw.wave.ca http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ "Free your heart from your mind. Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not." - Charles de Lint ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:35:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Saint Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicole said: <> Ahhh! I agree; Clark gives the impression that most of the time he's a laid-back, easy-going kind of guy who doesn't get too upset about anything, and only Lois has the power to pierce his armor and provoke the emotional outbursts Kathy mentioned... Kathy's insightful outline of Clark's outbursts: < BatP/HoL: Clark is pretty darn angry with Lois for agreeing to marry Luthor. Did he have a reason to feel rejected? Absolutely. But he wasn't just sulking and feeling sorry for himself -- he lashed out at her several times. Counter-productive to say the least! Resurrection: When Clark finds Scardino in Lois's apartment, he is livid. His parting shot is venomous. "Must have been some talk to need a shower afterwards." Ouch! That's cold! ;) WHALTTA: Again, Clark is rejected so he rejects right back. He doesn't insult, but he sulks, he acts distant. Putting out his hand when Lois tries to kiss him hello in the office?? That wasn't lashing out, but it was definitely meant to make her feel bad. Lois didn't say "no, never" to his proposal, she said "not yet". She told him she needed time to think things through -- to adjust to what she'd just learned. But Clark was hurt, and he had to hurt back before he could calm down. >> If you'll notice, each of these outbursts, and also the incident in Shadow of a Doubt where Clark gets mad at Lois because of the Leslie thing, was caused by sexual jealousy on Clark's part. In regards to Clark's "temper," it is only Lois who has the ability to arouse that kind of passion in him. Peggy gremlino@pathway.net P.S. I think that Clark IS a saint, and that Lois would try the patience of one! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:19:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zoomway wrote: >Anyway, here's their best site, and I think the pictures ironically show that >the kids are talented I'm afraid I have to disagree with you there; I looked at the pages you mentioned, and I see no evidence of talent... Peggy gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:14:07 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Saint Clark... veers slightly from topic In-Reply-To: <3cbfbfa8.36ced8a3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:45 AM -0500 2/20/99, Crystal Wimmer wrote: >I guess my point is, Clark isn't so different from other men. While we may >see his rare flashes of temper as irrational and misplaced (I mean, for >goodness sake... she killed a story... move on), At least for me, Clark's temper was one thing that made him much more interesting and alluring. (No, I'm not into aggressive men; read on. ) Like Lois said in OP, "Clark has insecurities and fears ... and hat hair." If Clark were perfect, he would be infinitely *less* interesting to me. It was his mistakes and missteps that made him such an attractive character. He was *real*. He was a good person, whose heart was in the right place, but one who none the less made mistakes. If Clark never made mistakes, I would have found him completely insufferable. ;) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:24:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Saint Clark In-Reply-To: <004e01be5cf7$60a5aae0$2631e7d0@gremlino> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:35 PM -0500 2/20/99, Peggy Mueller wrote: >If you'll notice, each of these outbursts, and also the incident in Shadow >of a Doubt where Clark gets mad at Lois because of the Leslie thing, was >caused by sexual jealousy on Clark's part. In regards to Clark's "temper," >it is only Lois who has the ability to arouse that kind of passion in him. Yes, yes, yes. I agree. I think Clark has worked hard to keep himself under control, but when he met Lois, all bets were off. He was probably shocked that he could feel such strong emotions, which is why it took him a couple years to learn how to work with them. However, I can think of one example where Clark got pretty upset when Lois wasn't the result -- in the Pilot, when the cop made a joke about Platt BBQ'ing himself, Clark was livid. He got right in the guy's face and made him apologize and back down. (Lois was impressed, and so was I. ;)) He's a laid back, optimistic, basically very happy guy ... but it doesn't mean he doesn't get outraged when he sees injustice or persecution. He would never have become such a great writer (pre and post Lois) if he didn't have that passion about the world in general. >P.S. I think that Clark IS a saint, and that Lois would try the patience of >one! LOL! Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:25:37 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: Saint Clark Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/99 11:23:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, kathyb@SPRINGNET1.COM writes: > > However, I can think of one example where Clark got pretty upset when Lois > wasn't the result -- in the Pilot, when the cop made a joke about Platt > BBQ'ing himself, Clark was livid. He got right in the guy's face and made > him apologize and back down. (Lois was impressed, and so was I. ;)) > Just a thought, but don't you think part of the reason he was so upset by this was Lois's reaction to Platt's death... he hadn't seen her crumble into his arms before this... I think that may have affected him. I think the strength of his emotion still comes back to Lois. -Crys- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:16:05 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mandy Crustner Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >As a member of the age bracket that these "kids" are in I have to say >that this is the first time I've actually been embarassed to be their >age group. Humiliated is more like it. Even when I went through my stage >where I wanted to be a "rebel" I never considered actually defacing >other people or their work. Just so you know, we *aren't* all this >disgusting and cruel. I'm a part of the same age group Rachel and I'll never be able to understand what motivates some ppl our age to be so cruel. Also, for the record, I'd like to be chemically hosed because my name: Mandy, is so darn close to one of their names: Mandi :) Mandy with a y :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:52:25 GMT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eilonwy Jamison Subject: kinda OT: Lois on Radio? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain While laying on the couch today nursing myself back to health, I was listening to NPR (National Public Radio). While I was drifting off to sleep I was listening to a show hosted by Micheal Feldman (sp?). As I was just about to fall asleep I heard something about the show having a Superman theme or something to that sense. Then while he was touring the audience one of the people he talked to was named Lois Lane! She was kind of elderly, she was retired. To the point she had never heard of the Superman comics or the TV show before a few years ago! The thing I found most interesting though was she was married to a guy named Jonathan! Isn't that weird? Well, time to go back to sleep! Back to just reading posts again! Eilonwy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:00:18 GMT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eilonwy Jamison Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hey again guys! > > >>As a member of the age bracket that these "kids" are in I have to say >>that this is the first time I've actually been embarassed to be their >>age group. Humiliated is more like it. Even when I went through my stage >>where I wanted to be a "rebel" I never considered actually defacing >>other people or their work. Just so you know, we *aren't* all this >>disgusting and cruel. I understand how you feel humiliated, I feel that way too! >I'm a part of the same age group Rachel and I'll never be able to understand >what motivates some ppl our age to be so cruel. Also, for the record, I'd >like to be chemically hosed because my name: Mandy, is so darn close to one >of their names: Mandi :) > >Mandy with a y :) Just to add to Mandy's and Rachel's posts, I to am a member of that age group. I'm not anything like these kids, but I know some people that are. Most of the reasons that they do these things apply to the fact they are somehow seeking a way to fit in. Atleast that is why the people I know do it. I wish their parents would have taught them a little bit of respect for people. I wonder if they were brought up on fairy tales. Eilonwy Anyone found that hose yet? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:56:48 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: PJ Piasecki Subject: Re: Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Demi - I just went to the latest site you referenced and was, of course, sickened. But one thing struck me. Forgive me, but I'm going to quote one line of this spew: 6. (This was a title and author's name - not relevant to my point) , kiddo, if you don't quit writing s**t like this, I'm afraid I'll be forced to take you out of this world. It's a public service really, there have been so many requests for your death that I'm so close to doing it.... Now call me crazy, but this sounds like something that could be construed as a death threat. Serious or not, wouldn't Geocities consider *this* as reason to ditch these sickos? Wouldn't the FCC have some small interest in posting a threat like this to the internet? Piper ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:45:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Saint Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kathyb@springnet1.com said: >However, I can think of one example where Clark got pretty upset when Lois >wasn't the result -- in the Pilot, when the cop made a joke about Platt >BBQ'ing himself, Clark was livid. He got right in the guy's face and made >him apologize and back down. (Lois was impressed, and so was I. ;)) Hmmm, you're so right--I forgot about that incident. I guess it just shows what a caring person Clark is. Peggy :-) gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:56:01 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/99 12:17:59 PM Central Standard Time, gremlino@PATHWAY.NET writes: << Zoomway wrote: >Anyway, here's their best site, and I think the pictures ironically show that >the kids are talented I'm afraid I have to disagree with you there; I looked at the pages you mentioned, and I see no evidence of talent... >> Admittedly my statement that "the kids are talented" was in the same vein as "give the devil his due". The sad truth is the young man who did their artwork (I think he's probably 16 or 17 now) I "met" when he was just 15, yet his posts showed quite a bit of maturity. He was always talented with graphics, and I even remember complimenting him on his nice work. I won't mention his name since at least one truly dedicated FoLC has used his artwork on her site and thanked him and he really did a fine job. I was surprised when someone told me he was responsible for the artwork on the offending websites. In many ways he seemed more mature than the others who are behind this, but now, well .... In a weird way, these kids make me think of a couple of Star Trek episodes, Charlie X and The Squire of Gothos. Both were "kids" with enormous power. I think the internet grants a form of power in a way, and as with Superman, people make a conscious choice to use it constructively or destructively. I'll stop short of saying they were lured to the dark side of the Force, but being on the receiving end, it's a tough call Zoomway@aol.com "I object to you. I object to intellect without discipline. I object to power without constructive purpose." Spock to Trelane in The Squire of Gothos ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:37:47 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mar Smith Subject: Key Ring... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm sorry to do this, but awhile back someone on the list asked me to pick them up a key ring with the "S" on it. I have the key ring but I never got the address to send it. So if there's anyone on the list that wants a key ring please email me and it's yours. Thanks Mariann (MarBrian @aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:51:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: OT: Trelane In-Reply-To: <95336841.36cf2f71@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:56 PM 20/02/99 EST, Zoom wrote: >In a weird way, these kids make me think of a couple of Star Trek episodes, >Charlie X and The Squire of Gothos. Both were "kids" with enormous power. >"I object to you. I object to intellect without discipline. I object to power >without constructive purpose." Spock to Trelane in The Squire of Gothos You know, completely off topic, but since you mentioned it I never watched the Old Series version of the "Squire of Gothos" -- that I can recall ;) -- but one of my personal favorite authors, Peter David (who always makes me smile) wrote a novel called "Q Squared" where he made the same villain into (for those of you familiar with Star Trek:TNG) a young member of Next Generation villains called "The Q Continuum" (who fancied themselves Gods, 'huge hubris' as they say ) -- But I digress! The point is, that if we liken Trelane's plight (even in that novel) to the plight of any who wield 'power without constructive purpose', then I'd have to say "Hold onto your hard hats" -- even to those of us as spectators.. ;) Demi (The fun part is that, in this instance, we get to choose who GETS a hard hat to begin with! ;P ) ___________________________________________ Demi aka Demona demona@shaw.wave.ca http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ "Free your heart from your mind. Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not." - Charles de Lint ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:51:01 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sue Modolo Subject: Dollarhide Awards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I took a look at the website at www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/stage/1922. Wow, if that is not libel, I don't kmow what is. I think we should all send in our protest letters to the head of Geocities because in the rules of the website, I know that it is spelled out. I wonder who this Dollarhide person is. Obviously, these kids have nothing better to do than ruin someone else's fun. I wonder what the parents of these kids would do. You guys have worked hard on your fanfic and the concept of the Kearth awards is awesome itself. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:16:50 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: Dollarhide Awards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/99 4:51:11 PM Central Standard Time, smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << I wonder who this Dollarhide person is. >> That would be me (though they slightly misspelled it, and I ain't about to correct it for them ;) Actually most people who have met me at folcfests know my real name. It's even been in every "Folc Directory". I promised my family not to use my real name on line, however, since a friend was victimized by a cyber stalker. It's ironic that these kids also seem intent on making me break that promise to my family by posting my real name (or a close approximation) and attaching it to a site designed only to hurt fanfic writers. I suppose they figured that would be the best way to injure me. The name is Native American, for what it's worth. An anglicized version of a Dutch translation dealing with selling "hides" (animal pelts) to traders for a "dollar" Cute, eh? ;) I've had the "Zoom" nick for a long long time. It's a name I've gone by for years, and so made a natural transition to cyberspace in the form of "zoomway" the hidden highway in the Superman comics (you knew Superman would come into this somewhere, didn't you? ;) Zoomway@aol.com (Puddin Tame, ask me again and I'll tell you the same ;) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:26:41 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: Dollarhide Awards In-Reply-To: <3acec3d9.36cf4262@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those of you who are submitting complaints to Geocities, note that the page has actually been posted at TWO different Geocities sites, one is http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/ and the other is at http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/ which means you need to register two separate complaints. You also need to choose between the following categories of complaint: Nudity/Pornography EnchantedForest violations Intellectual Property Infringement* Illegal activities Software piracy Hacking Racist/Hatred pages Promoting physical harm Multiple accounts Excessive profanity Offensive content Signpost to another server Remote loading to another server Displaying sponsorship banners Unregistered commercial page Material that exploits children Other violations I put my complaints in under "Racist/Hatred pages" but you may feel that other categories fit better, and you can only choose one for each complaint. Jen. jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (6) and Megan (3) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:33:57 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sue Modolo Subject: This Whole Situation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Zoomway, I do not blame you at all for not wanting to use your real name on the internet. I had an aol account for several months last fall and I was not impressed at all with it. I never gave out to anyone my aol mailbox, instead preferring hotmail. So what happened, it was full of all kinds of messages for sex things, sites, etc. They must have assumed since I did not use my first name - it was under smodolo - that I was a guy. If these kids are like this now, what are they going to be like when they are adults? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:49:58 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genine Murray Subject: Re: This Whole Situation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/99 6:35:16 PM EST, smodolo@HOTMAIL.COM writes: << I had an aol account for several months last fall and I was not impressed at all with it. I never gave out to anyone my aol mailbox, instead preferring hotmail. So what happened, it was full of all kinds of messages for sex things, sites, etc. They must have assumed since I did not use my first name - it was under smodolo - that I was a guy. >> Well, actually junk mail is a *huge* part of AOL, unfortunately. *Everyone* who has an AOL account is guaranteed to get porno e-mail, it's just something us AOL'ers learn to put up with. (that "delete" key really comes in handy, doesn't it? ). It has nothing to do with what your gender is, the spammers just send the mail to any random address. Usually the worst spamming takes place when you are in an AOL chat room ... that's when you really get flooded with junk mail. Anyhow ... back to the topic at hand ... ;) I was wondering if anyone with all of the information on this whole issue would be so kind to put it all together in one e-mail. For instance, the URL's to the offensive sites, as well as the URL for Geocities complaint page. I am sure that it would make it a *lot* easier for the FoLCs who do not have time to sort through all the e-mails and find the various URLs, since they really have been scattered all over the place. And of course, if it is *easier* for the FoLCs to complain, that only means that the chances that more of us *will* is greater. :-) *I* would gladly post the info, but unfortunately I've already done my complaining and thus I have deleted all the e-mails with the info on it. So if anyone still has all the info and could combine it into one post, that would be just, well, SUPER! Take care FoLCs!! Genine =o) SuperGem4@aol.com - address for LOISCLA & FANFIC LISTSERVs GMurray122@aol.com - private address ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:06:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: URLs & Geocities In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:49 PM 20/02/99 EST, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone with all of the information on this whole issue >would be so kind to put it all together in one e-mail. For instance, the >URL's to the offensive sites, as well as the URL for Geocities complaint page. Sure, when you see how many there actually are (so far) you might be surprised however. The URLs are: http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/theater.htm http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting.htm http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/resist.htm http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/bday.htm http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/imagine.htm http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/rumor.htm http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/confused.htm http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/aditp.htm http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/tag.htm http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting2.htm http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/sy13ag.htm The address to write to Geocities is: http://www.geocities.com/main/info/company/contact/alert_form.html Demi ___________________________________________ Demi aka Demona demona@shaw.wave.ca http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ "Free your heart from your mind. Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not." - Charles de Lint ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:07:24 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mandy Crustner Subject: Re: URLs & Geocities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found this one too, Demi. Though it's not as bad as the others. http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/game1.htm Mandy :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:25:04 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: April Story Subject: Re: This Whole Situation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-20 18:52:48 EST, you write: << I was wondering if anyone with all of the information on this whole issue would be so kind to put it all together in one e-mail. For instance, the URL's to the offensive sites, as well as the URL for Geocities complaint page. I am sure that it would make it a *lot* easier for the FoLCs who do not have time to sort through all the e-mails and find the various URLs, since they really have been scattered all over the place. And of course, if it is *easier* for the FoLCs to complain, that only means that the chances that more of us *will* is greater. :-) *I* would gladly post the info, but unfortunately I've already done my complaining and thus I have deleted all the e-mails with the info on it. So if anyone still has all the info and could combine it into one post, that would be just, well, SUPER! >> The most important address: http://www.geocities.com/main/info/company/contact/alert_form.html The pages in question: Welcome to Mandi and Enore's Prison of Style!... http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/ Welcome to Mandi and Enore's Prison of Style! #2... http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/index.html Texas Penitentiary--CELL D ONLINE http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/main.htm CELL D Movie Theater! http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/theater.htm Dollarhide Award Nominees and Descriptions http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting.htm Dollarhide Awards http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting2.htm Confused http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/confused.htm CELL D Games! http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/games.htm NAME..THAT...HOST!!!!!! http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/game1.htm WBVL Application -- How it REALLY is! http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/wbapp.htm Sign in Page http://www.geocities.com/cgi-bin/geoplus_apps/ans_entry Cell Block D - Sign In - guestbook http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/geobook.html There are also many links on the front page of Cell D that will take you on a little tour - and based on the comments made by these people - they are more than fully aware of what they are doing and the malicious intent involved....I have no idea if on the "People of Cell Block D" if other FoLC pictures were used or not - that link is also on the main page Sounds of Cell D! http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/wavs.htm If you would like to see what Mandi and Enore look like - they dedicated a page to Enore's Trip to Texas! (AKA the Cell D Breakout) http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/txpix.htm I am sure that there are many more pages out there and as we find them - we will pass them on.... Take Care =) April ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:14:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: fchisham Subject: hey guys In-Reply-To: <19990220225101.3136.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just wanted to put my 2 cents on the line here about this slandering bit. These kids have obviously gone to some trouble to post these elaborate web pages. I am so sorry you guys are up on stage for political ridicule, but they just want to be recognized and pull everyone's chain. I don't understand why they would go to such lengths to make fun of and pick on so many people. It doesn't make any sense. Except to make themselves feel better. If you notice, and correct me if I'm wrong, their home pages don't have any links to these pages.. except for one which is their home pages. This is a very weird project they have dreamed up and it almost looks as if they have some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder. How come they don't make fun of x-files fanfic? Star trek? Xena? It really doesn't make any sense. Did someone do something a long time ago to make them really angry? Did their parents take away their superman dolls? I think if we find out the nature of their problem, maybe then, we can help solve it. I am out of town, thus out of reach of any extensive internet access. I also noticed that none of them has joined this list or even tried. However, from here on out, I am going to watch any AOL addresses. Gotta go. Farah ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:57:25 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: disturbing news In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Default"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Piper!!! You're back online!!! YEA!!!!!!!!! Welcome back And yes, I can definitely confirm that if Piper was speechless, that was a first Peace ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:11:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jedi Subject: Re: hey guys Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:14 PM 2/20/99 -0500, you wrote: > >How come they don't make fun of x-files fanfic? Star trek? Xena? It really >doesn't make any sense. Did someone do something a long time ago to make >them really angry? Did their parents take away their superman dolls? I >think if we find out the nature of their problem, maybe then, we can help >solve it. > There have been those that picked on X-Files fanfic and such. My name was thrown around at one time because I admin an X-Files mailing list. But I can say that it wasn't to the extent that these people are going to. Tanya ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:43:57 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lane MacKenzie Subject: Re: song request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Try www.lyrics.ch and go to "Search" You should be able to find it there. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:24:59 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Sharon L. Gilbert" Subject: Re: URLs & Geocities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i just lodged complaints with geocities for each of the sites listed below. however, i do agree with someone from the list about ignoring the kids' stuff. the stuff may increase before it ceases but when it no longer garners attention, they'll get tired and go away. yeah, i know that's hard to do. it's like watching a car wreck. it's hard to look away. it's also tough when you're the one being targeted and you've seen it go one for a few years now. i for one, though, intend to read the stories mentioned on their "best of teh worst" list, especially since one is mine. if i like the story, i think i'll let the author know cuz i certainly have enjoyed the continuation of L&C story lines through some terrific writers amongst the FOLCs. by the by. does any one else just have to laugh when the kids overuse "way gay". it kinda tickles me cuz it's so juvenile. with age comes perspective. me At 07:06 PM 2/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >At 06:49 PM 20/02/99 EST, you wrote: >>I was wondering if anyone with all of the information on this whole issue >>would be so kind to put it all together in one e-mail. For instance, the >>URL's to the offensive sites, as well as the URL for Geocities complaint >page. > > >Sure, when you see how many there actually are (so far) you might be >surprised however. >The URLs are: > >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/theater.htm >http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/resist.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/bday.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/imagine.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/rumor.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/confused.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/aditp.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/tag.htm >http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Stage/1922/voting2.htm >http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Strand/5084/sy13ag.htm > > >The address to write to Geocities is: > >http://www.geocities.com/main/info/company/contact/alert_form.html > >Demi >___________________________________________ >Demi aka Demona > >demona@shaw.wave.ca >http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ > >"Free your heart from your mind. > Embrace wonder for one moment without > the need to consider how that wonder > came to be, without the need to justify > if it be real or not." >- Charles de Lint > Sharon L. Gilbert ~~~~~~~Work like you don't need the money. **********Love like you won't get hurt. `````````````Dance like no one's looking ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:29:51 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Sharon L. Gilbert" Subject: Re: song request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" found the words to the song. thanks ever so much. me At 10:43 PM 2/20/99 EST, you wrote: >Try www.lyrics.ch and go to "Search" You should be able to find it there. > Sharon L. Gilbert ~~~~~~~Work like you don't need the money. **********Love like you won't get hurt. `````````````Dance like no one's looking ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:24:57 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: Re: Saint Clark << If you'll notice, each of these outbursts, and also the incident in Shadow of a Doubt where Clark gets mad at Lois because of the Leslie thing, was caused by sexual jealousy on Clark's part. In regards to Clark's "temper," it is only Lois who has the ability to arouse that kind of passion in him. >> And this is supposed to be a *good* thing? It sounds like something an abusive husband would say in regards to why he hits/verbally abuses his wife- he loves her so much, she's the only one he loves enough to get him that mad, he just loves her *so* much... Now I'm definately NOT saying that Clark is abusive. Not at all! I just wouldn't use the above justification for Clark's behavior, that's all. Sure, it's normal and human (Clark would be proud ;) for someone to be jealous, such as when Lois has agreed to marry Lex or even in the situation with Leslie Luckabee (since he seems to be a little insecure in his marriage even though it's obvious to us that he has nothing to be insecure about). But sexual jealousy can't be used to excuse Clark's behavior. << P.S. I think that Clark IS a saint, and that Lois would try the patience of one! >> This reminds me of a debate I had with a friend during the early years of the show. He thought that Clark was too good for Lois; he thought Clark deserved better. I was adament that what Clark deserved was Lois (that what they deserved was each other). Clark is no saint. As Kathy listed, he does nasty things to Lois. And in the infamous dumpster scene in IGACOY (which, BTW, doesn't have to do with sexual jealousy), there's been much debate as to Clark's motives. But certainly he is no saint. He he has a tendency to sulk and he gives up rather easily, wanting to give up being Superman in NB, MoSB, WWW, SLV, etc. He can be insecure (the elevator scene in BY, the Leslie Luckabee incident), he needs to get back at Lois in NB, he lies (usually with good reason), he steals things/evidence/info (PML, SK, SG), helps Lois hide an escaped convict, breaks and enters, does a lot of dumb, unsaintly things escaped convict, breaks and enters, does a lot of dumb things in the beginning of season 3 with regards to his relationship with Lois, the list goes on... Sure, some of these things are justified when the contexts are considered, but my point is that Clark is nowhere near a saint. Thankfully, he's a flawed person, just like Lois. His flaws are one reason I like Lois and Clark more than the Superman movies. In the movies, Clark seems to be elevated to a level above the rest of us mere mortals when, through Jor-El, he learns about Earth and its inhabitants. In Lois and Clark, though Clark and Lois are flawed and (in the beginning) immature; they grow up some but are still flawed. Makes for a much more interesting story that way. -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 02:27:55 -0500 Reply-To: nsa105@psu.edu Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nethra Ankam Subject: I think Geocities took down the pages. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried to go to the URLs in question, and got "we can't find that page" response. So are they down? If they are, then I'm happy. But the creators seem very persistant from everything everybody has said. Nethra ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 02:38:34 -0500 Reply-To: nsa105@psu.edu Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nethra Ankam Subject: on a more fanfic-y note :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just read "Date With a Stranger" by Mobile Richard. I thought it was very good. I liked how I could peer into Lois' mind. And I would say more, but I just realized it was just posted to the archive, so I don't want to spoil anyone's reading! Nethra ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:22:17 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: I think Geocities took down the pages. Comments: To: nsa105@psu.edu In-Reply-To: <36CFB57B.D8E2D2E4@psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:27 AM 21/02/99 -0500, Nethra Ankam wrote: >I tried to go to the URLs in question, and got "we can't find that page" >response. So are they down? If they are, then I'm happy. But the >creators seem very persistant from everything everybody has said. > >Nethra What can I say but, YAY! and score one more for truth, justice and... (no, I CAN'T say it!) FoLCdom! jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (6) and Megan (3) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:14:43 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: Writer's Showcase Comments: To: LOISCLA@VM.EGE.EDU.TR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, February has been a bad month for me. Due to bad weather, illness and lately website problems the Writer's Showcase has not been updated in a couple of weeks. I want to thank all of you who have written to me about it. It is very heart warming to know all of my efforts are not in vain. Look for the regular changing of the Featured Writer to start again with this week. Thank you, Annie Lansbury ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:01:00 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: NKWolke Subject: Re: Saint Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi Folcs :-) To the Saint Clark - Discussion: I think it was Peggy who wrote: >>> If you'll notice, each of these outbursts, and also the incident in Shadow of a Doubt where Clark gets mad at Lois because of the Leslie thing, was caused by sexual jealousy on Clark's part. In regards to Clark's "temper," it is only Lois who has the ability to arouse that kind of passion in him. <<< and Christy answered: >>> And this is supposed to be a *good* thing? It sounds like something an abusive husband would say in regards to why he hits/verbally abuses his wife- he loves her so much, she's the only one he loves enough to get him that mad, he just loves her *so* much...<<< I don't think we should see it so negative. Passion is not only the "bad" in Clark, it's also his "lively part". It's what makes him human and what definitely makes him "no Saint". What I meant to say is that Lois has the ability to break through his emotional walls. Somehow his defenses are down when Lois is concerned. It's like he says to her on their first date. I don't know the exact words but it is somewhat like this: "The only time you see how people are, is when they're passionate." I think in most cases it *is* pure sexual jealousy when he snaps at Lois, but I also tend to think that nobody feels more ashamed and suprised than our Clark the instant he realises it. This is pure theory of course, because we never saw it in the show, but the Clark of my personal imagination blushes when he remembers the incidents he treated Lois that way and asks himself: "So *why* in heaven's name did you say *that*, Kent?!" We shouldn't be too hard on poor Clark. He's definitely not the abusive-type only because he makes some harsh remarks . Nicole AKA CKgroupie on IRC NKWolke@t-online.de ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:14:16 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Eileen Barnard Subject: Sant Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have read all the messages re the above subject and I have to agree that Clark is certainly not a Saint but then neither is Lois as bad-tempered as some of you suggest. Sure, when things are not going her way, she gets a little 'touchy' and does tend to lash out when she is unsure of herself, the same as Clark tends to be a bit sulky at times but I think this is because when it comes down to it, they are a young couple trying to come to grips with their own feelings about and for each other. I think, if you watch the shows, they both do and say some incredibly hurtful things to each other but people do that sometimes when they are hurt or feel their partner is being unfair or unjust to them. Lois and Clark are dealing with some very strong and new emotions here and I defy anyone to come out of any emotional encounter unscathed! Having had my say, I must saym as a relative newcomer to the List, that all the EMails I read are interesting and I wish I had time to write a comment on all of them. Well, I must go, as L&C is being re-run on our Sky One Cable Channel on Saturday sand Sundays and it is nearly time for today's episode to start. Bye for now Eileen eileen_barnard@talk21.com ----------------------------------------------------- This message has been sent from talk21 http://www.talk21.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:49:40 -0700 Reply-To: desertrat@uswest.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Desert Rat Subject: The Newbie strikes again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never expected such an overwhelming response. WOW! I started watching L&C just after the real Jimmy joined the show and have been hooked ever since. (not because of him, I fell in love with Lois as fast as CK did.) I now understand that this is pretty much a "ladies club" with a few exceptions. I hope you will allow me to join in. I'm just a guy who loves L&C and has been trying to get a fanfic to work out . Call me an old romantic, but I tried a "pre-rev" story, a "rev" story and a S-6 story. I hate to think how much of my hard drive is dedicated to L&C. ( Then again, why would that be a waste?) (And I used to be a hard nosed cop?!) I guess I DO need a private editor. So . . . , if anyone is willing to put up with me . . . I sure would be grateful ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:13:42 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Sant Clark Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Eileen wrote: >>Sure, when things are not going her way, she gets a little 'touchy' and does tend to lash out when she is unsure of herself, the same as Clark tends to be a bit sulky at times but I think this is because when it comes down to it, they are a young couple trying to come to grips with their own feelings about and for each other. I agree. Remember in Just Say Noah how Clark says,"Flying is a piece of cake....But being in a relationship is totally new to me. If I blow this, I lose everything." And Lois replies, "I'm not as good at romance as I look. My life has basically been about work." For a couple in their mid to late twenties, Lois and Clark were both pretty inexperienced in having a love relationship and were going through a lot of the insecurities and blunders most people do when they are in high school. After they got married they calmed down a lot. I think the thing with Leslie Luckaby was more Clark's concern and anger that Leslie was hassling Lois than jealousy or insecurity about Lois's feelings for Clark. I do think their imperfections and insecurities are what make them interesting and sympathetic characters. As Eileen said, the movie Superman is cold and essentially not someone you can really care about. Didn't mean to write a book. Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:48:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: marycudmore Subject: Re: NEW FANFIC - Nightmare On Hyperion Avenue (8 of 8) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Your latest story, "Nightmare on Hyperion Ave.", was quite enjoyable. I had read some of the postings before reading the story itself. I agree that Lois did seem to accept the rape and all the emotions that accompany a rape a bit too easily. But Lois would do it that way, she would bury her emotions and turn back to her life trying to move on in quick time. I would think that at some point nightmares of the rape and emotional repercussions would present themselves. Your portrayal of Clark accepting the child as his own because it was born of Lois was right on, no other way would work. Your persuasive writing had me okay with the fact that the child wasn't Clark's own and you had me believing that Dr. Klein's conclusions were correct about Clark's ability to father a child. Great ending with Jeff starting to show Clark's abilities. I am glad you decided to end the story with the positive slant. Thanks for writing. Mary C. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:17:40 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peggy Mueller Subject: Re: Saint Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peggy said: ><< If you'll notice, each of these outbursts, and also the incident in Shadow >of a Doubt where Clark gets mad at Lois because of the Leslie thing, was >caused by sexual jealousy on Clark's part. In regards to Clark's "temper," >it is only Lois who has the ability to arouse that kind of passion in him. >> Christy said: > >And this is supposed to be a *good* thing? It sounds like something an abusive >husband would say in regards to why he hits/verbally abuses his wife- he loves >her so much, she's the only one he loves enough to get him that mad, he just >loves her *so* much... > Ouch! My remark about Clark's temper may resemble the excuses abusive men use to justify hurting their wives, but I did NOT intend to imply that sexual jealousy is in any way a justification for abuse!! >Now I'm definately NOT saying that Clark is abusive. Not at all! I just >wouldn't use the above justification for Clark's behavior, that's all. --snip (nice discussion of instances where Clark behaved jealously)-- But sexual >jealousy can't be used to excuse Clark's behavior. > Well said! But I don't think that Clark's behavior in those instances, and particularly in the context of his overall personality and behavior, were abusive. Peggy said: ><< P.S. I think that Clark IS a saint, and that Lois would try the patience of >one! >> Christy said: >This reminds me of a debate I had with a friend during the early years of the >show. He thought that Clark was too good for Lois; he thought Clark deserved >better. I was adament that what Clark deserved was Lois (that what they >deserved was each other). Clark is no saint. As Kathy listed, he does nasty >things to Lois. --snip (discussion of some of Clark's deeds)-- >he needs to get back at Lois in NB, > Okay. My impression of Clark in this situation, and in other situations concerning Lois, is that he is a *very nice*, easy-going guy who nevertheless believes that it's necessary to defend himself when *he* is being abused. It was *Lois* who wronged *him*, and he feels compelled to stand up to her. My interpretation of this particular event is that Clark played the trick on Lois, not because he wanted REVENGE, but to illustrate a point. >he lies (usually with good >reason), he steals things/evidence/info (PML, SK, SG), helps Lois hide an >escaped convict, breaks and enters, does a lot of dumb, unsaintly things >escaped convict, breaks and enters, does a lot of dumb things in the beginning >of season 3 with regards to his relationship with Lois, the list goes on... > I'm glad you brought this up, because the electronic eavesdropping and breaking & entering that he and Lois did were a real sore point with me throughout this show, but I'll save that for another discussion. >Sure, some of these things are justified when the contexts are considered, but >my point is that Clark is nowhere near a saint. Thankfully, he's a flawed >person, just like Lois. His flaws are one reason I like Lois and Clark more >than the Superman movies. In the movies, Clark seems to be elevated to a level >above the rest of us mere mortals when, through Jor-El, he learns about Earth >and its inhabitants. In Lois and Clark, though Clark and Lois are flawed and >(in the beginning) immature; they grow up some but are still flawed. Makes for >a much more interesting story that way. > Aaah! I said Clark's a saint; I didn't say he's perfect! I don't think you have to be a perfect human being to be dubbed a saint! But you're right, of course, that Clark is flawed, and I agree with you 100% that it's his flaws that help to make him so endearing to us. :-) Peggy gremlino@pathway.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:55:33 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: marycudmore Subject: Re: A plethera of responses ;) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 7:04 PM -0500 2/18/99, Annette Ciotola wrote: >> Sometimes you read that certain fic that pulls you so >>deep, you can actually see what's going on, hear Lois take a stand, and can >>actually feel the emotions as Lois or Clark expresses them, right Kathy? :) > >Thanks, Anne, you're a doll. :) For the confused, Anne is refering to the >final scene in an as-yet-unpublished fanfic of mine. It will be going in >the fanzine whenever that is released. I gave Anne an advanced copy to >read last year, and she has been very complimentary. She's great for my >ego. :) Hi there. A question. What is fanzine? It sounds like a good thing. Mary C. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:49:09 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: April Story Subject: A response from Enore..... Comments: To: LOISCLA@VM.EGE.EDU.TR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello Fellow Fans =) Well, below you will find an email that was in my mailbox this morning - to say I was shocked to find it is a huge understatement....but it was there nonetheless and I feel that you all should see it too. Everyone can take >from it what you want to.... Having dealt with this group and their maliciousness now for well over a year - this email does not hold alot of credibility with me - it is very hollow....as was mentioned before - we recieved this huge apology letter from Mandi after the first pages were done and found about a year ago and so, do I think this is the end of it - probably not =( Will they continue to target FoLCs - most likely =( Why? Well that is the million dollar question. The first round of attacks were very specific in who they were going after - like Demi mentioned in her first email - there were 5 or 6 of us.....however, this time - they went after FoLCs everywhere - including some that have never had any contact whatsoever with these people. There are several in this group and I am sure they have been pretty shocked over the last couple of days at this all becoming public now......like I mentioned before - it was either chance or fate those pages were found very late Thursday night! I would like to point out here that these pages were *not* old as Enore mentions below......They may have been started in February 1998 (although May was the earliest date I found) but at any rate - they were added to just about the entire year!! The beginning of those pages seems to be right after they were contacted by an attorney and a lawsuit was threatened, BUT there is information that was put on those sites that could not have been added until almost the end of 1998 when all the trouble was going on on IRC. By Enore mentioning that she wants to be left alone - I can only assume that this group has received emails >from people expressing their disgust to them for what they have done. Whether or not this retreat will be long term - remains to be seen. I do hope that this does not affect the FoLCs putting up or taking down their webpages! They have won *nothing*. The few of us that fought this battle last year are still very much here and active members within FoLCdom. Please don't ever let these kids take that away from you! The majority of FoLCs are the most caring, sweetest, generous, kind people in this world and I would hate to see that taken away! Look at what this group has accomplished and continues to accomplish due to a little show called Lois & Clark. The show brought together people of ALL ages, nationalities, races, backgrounds and formed one of the strongest and best fan groups around. Don't let the horrendous acts of a few take anything away of what has been built over the last 5+ years! These people will pay their just dues....and while they may have been fans and FoLCs at one time - their actions have spoken for them over and over in the last year. No one knows why they have chosen to do this and at this point and time - I honestly don't care and I was one of the ones targeted both times. Don't let them take away one of the best things around - and that is the family atmosphere we have always had among each other! As the FoLCs have shown time and time again - when faced with adversity - we supported each other in amazing ways and now it is over.....for good this time, I hope! The FoLC spirit is alive and kicking and these well over 100 emails I have received just from the listservs alone in the last 2 days are a testament to that! So, please don't let them change anything here - we all just have to be a little more cautious and aware and probably check every once in a while to see if anything is out there =) But until then - lets get back to discussing what we love most - the Kerth awards are coming up and Erin and those helping her have done an amazing job once again this year putting it all together.......Dean is getting ready to head to Bulgaria to begin filming his movie for Miramax and Teri debuts in Cabaret on Tuesday in LA..... At any rate - below is the email I received..... Take Care FoLCs!! April ______________________________________________________ Subj: Re: Sites Date: 99-02-21 02:19:10 EST From: SwimmerE15 To: AStory2873 April, I am probably not supposed to contact you, but I did to let you know that the sites that just got mentioned on the listserv were old (February 1998 was the date on one of them). I remembered them when they were mentioned and I removed them tonight when I got home from a swim meet at 1 a.m. I just don't wish to be involved in any of this anymore and I thought that I was leaving everybody alone. I just want to leave everyone alone and be left alone, and I am trying my hardest. Now that everything I have ever put on the internet has been deleted (I did this not 30 seconds ago), I hope I can continue to do that. Please pass this on to anyone else involved. Thank you. Also note that any graphics you saw that looked extremely professional-- neither Mandi nor myself are capable of doing anything that realistic, they were done by a third party. Enore ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:26:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: on a more fanfic-y note :) In-Reply-To: <36CFB7FA.DDAB60E8@psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:38 AM -0500 2/21/99, Nethra Ankam wrote: >I just read "Date With a Stranger" by Mobile Richard. I thought it >was very good. I liked how I could peer into Lois' mind. And I would >say more, but I just realized it was just posted to the archive, so I >don't want to spoil anyone's reading! I liked this one, too, Nethra. So here's another recommendation for those of you looking for a story to read. :) Kathy (hey, look, a male writer. ;)) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:39:34 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) In-Reply-To: <1999951412150221@t21pst00-lrs.talk21.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:14 PM +0000 2/21/99, Eileen Barnard wrote: >I have read all the messages re the above subject and I have to agree that >Clark is certainly not a Saint but then neither is Lois as bad-tempered as >some of you suggest. Sure, when things are not going her way, she gets a >little 'touchy' and does tend to lash out when she is unsure of herself, OK, this is getting even more fun. (Love these fanfic/show discussions!) What is the worst thing Lois has said/done to Clark? I'm not talking about rejecting him in BatP (she was very nice about that) or not taking him back in WIEAK (she was right not to! Go Lois!) but really mean stuff. The worst I can think of is *after* she stole his story in "Neverending Battle". The stealing the story was one thing, but the way she patted his cheek and told him "let this be a life lesson to you" ... Oh, that was so awful! Adding insult to injury! (Of course, she felt terrible about it when she got home that night, but that's beside the point.) This is why I feel it was justified for Clark to get her back with the practical joke at the Sewage Plant. Was it a nice thing for him to do? No. Should he have turned the other cheek? Debatable. I think he showed her she couldn't kick him around anymore, and that helped get them on equal footing. She would think twice before crossing him now. Right or wrong, doing this to Lois proved himself in her eyes. So, what else has Lois done that was *really* bad? Kathy (whose theory is that Lois was really only mean to Clark in the first few episodes ... can anyone come up with later episodes that disprove this?) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:00:33 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Fanzine (was Re: A plethera of responses) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990221115413.00a93bc0@nycap.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:55 AM -0500 2/21/99, marycudmore wrote: >Hi there. A question. What is fanzine? It sounds like a good thing. A fanzine is a collection of fanfics published as a magazine. (Fan-zine, get it? ) I use the term magazine loosely -- we aren't talking glossy pages and professional photo spreads here ;) -- but it is a collection of printed out fanfic. I'm not coordinating the fanzine (though I did contribute a story) so I won't go into too much detail about it. From Anne's website, I understand that the fanzine is due to come out in Spring 1999, so I'll let the coordinator provide more details when she is ready. (It's not Anne, so don't bombard her with emails. ) In a nutshell, the fanzine will consist of new stories by many well-known fanfic authors (Sheila Harper, Zoomway, myself, many others). These stories will not be available anywhere else. The fanzine will be available for a donation (it's not free) but the profits will all go to help a FoLC who has medical problems. We aren't out to make money on this; we are just trying to help a FoLC. Hope that explains things -- and piques your curiousity! I've read just a couple of the many stories that will be included and believe me, this will be worth its donation price!! Kathy :) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:35:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Christy Kubit Subject: Re: Saint Clark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nicole wrote: << I don't think we should see it so negative. Passion is not only the "bad" in Clark, it's also his "lively part". It's what makes him human and what definitely makes him "no Saint". What I meant to say is that Lois has the ability to break through his emotional walls. Somehow his defenses are down when Lois is concerned. It's like he says to her on their first date. I don't know the exact words but it is somewhat like this: "The only time you see how people are, is when they're passionate." >> So that seems to mean that what you do when you're being passionate (L&C's examples were fighting and making love) show how you truly are? So Clark's actions in passion (driven by sexual jealousy) show how *he* truly is? I think that sexual jealousy is part of him, but I don't think that's how he "really" is. << We shouldn't be too hard on poor Clark. He's definitely not the abusive-type only because he makes some harsh remarks . >> I was afraid someone would get that out of my earlier post. What I was meaning to say was that Clark is NOT abusive, but if you use sexual jealousy as a reason to justify his actions, well, sexual jealousy can be used to justify a lot of nasty things and I'd tread carefully in those waters. Peggy wrote: <> I understood that you weren't trying to justify abuse, I was just saying that sexual jealousy isn't such a good defense for people's actions. << Okay. My impression of Clark in this situation, and in other situations concerning Lois, is that he is a *very nice*, easy-going guy who nevertheless believes that it's necessary to defend himself when *he* is being abused. >> So are you saying that Lois is abusive? I don't think either of them are abusive. Saying the few nasty things they said to each other doesn't constitute abuse, IMO. << It was *Lois* who wronged *him*, and he feels compelled to stand up to her. My interpretation of this particular event is that Clark played the trick on Lois, not because he wanted REVENGE, but to illustrate a point. >> In example in NB, I agree that it was Lois who wronged Clark (among others). She was generally disrespectful and nasty. And she also uses an interesting jealousy-territoriality-related defense when talking to Lucy; she says, "I stole it. I've never stolen a story in my life. How could I do that? It's him, it's Superman. Ever since he held me in his arms... There's something between us, Lucy, I know it. A connection a..." And Lucy replies, "So that makes what you did okay?" << Aaah! I said Clark's a saint; I didn't say he's perfect! I don't think you have to be a perfect human being to be dubbed a saint! >> Pretty close, I always thought. I don't think Clark's perfect, or would qualify for sainthood, but I'd take him any day... -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:46:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cristin J Whitley Subject: Re: This Whole Situation Some replies, took me long enough :o) Rachel (I think) said: >>As a member of the age bracket that these "kids" are in I have to say >>that this is the first time I've actually been embarassed to be their >>age group. I am also a member of this age group. However, this isn't the first time I've been ashamed to admit it. Seems to me that the adult public (and most everyone else) percieves my generation as troublemakers. While, in some cases (obviously this whole deal would be one), this may be true, it isn't the wholoe story. Teens are stereotyped because of their worst members. Just like Mandi and Enore are part of a small fraction of FoLCs that aren't wonderful and friendly, there is a small fraction (well, small if you think how many teens there are) of people my age who *are* troublemakers and give us this bad reputation. Odd, these are the ones most publicized and discussed. Anyway, I am a bit off topic. :o) Eilowny said: I'm not anything like these kids, but I know some people that are. Most of the reasons that they do these things apply to the fact they are somehow seeking a way to fit in. Atleast that is why the people I know do it. I agree. Some people are so desperate to belong that they will do anything. If only they would try and belong to something good rather than something so destructive. Jenny said: I put my complaints in under "Racist/Hatred pages" but you may feel that other categories fit better, and you can only choose one for each complaint. I reported three of the pages. I put "Multiple Accounts" for each of them. Strangely enough, I just realized that they probably meant multiple geocities accounts or something. I was thinking multiple offenses (since the form wouldn't let you choose more than one offense). Oops. In the little box where you could write something I put which violations *I* thought the pages fit under. I know that for the "Cell D" page I put the following: Racist/Hatred Pages Promoting Physical Harm Excessive Profanity and Offensive Content I feel kind of silly now. Sharon said: however, i do agree with someone from the list about ignoring the kids' stuff. the stuff may increase before it ceases but when it no longer garners attention, they'll get tired and go away. yeah, i know that's hard to do. it's like watching a car wreck. it's hard to look away. it's also tough when you're the one being targeted and you've seen it go one for a few years now. Well, in my experience, a person of the maturity level that these kids have proved of themselves would do something slightly different. Seems to me that they would try to be MORE offensive and MORE annoying and MORE immature until those attacked felt they had to say something. Of course that's just my opinion. I'm glad that these pages have been taken down and, once again, impressed by the lengths the FOLCs will go to to protect each other. Y'all are great. :o) Cristin ***Cristin Whitley :o)***CKandLL4ever@Juno.com*** SUPERfan on IRC Join my Dean Cain mailing list at: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/deancainfans You can't run away from trouble... ain't no place that far ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:22:40 -0400 Reply-To: ruthlg@apk.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ruth Link-Gelles Subject: Re: disturbing news OR Free Speech on the Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi FoLCs Zoomway said: > Actually, it isn't parody, or even freedom of speech, it's old fashioned > harassment. There's also been threats of bodily harm, and I certainly hope > that's not protected under "freedom of speech". first off i'd like to say that like everyone else i think that what these kids are doing is awful and i'm not trying to defend them but: certain kinds of threats of bodily harm are allowed. Here's an example taken from real life: There is a site up off lists of abortion doctors. some dead (murdered) and some alive. when 1 is killed their name is crossed off. the only reason this site is allowed to stay up (so fare) is because they don't come right out and say "kill this specific person" they just say all abortion doctors are bad. unless you directly say to hurt a specific person it is allowed. thats the Constitution's point of view, and i don't know what the internet space provider's view on this. i couldn't get to any of the sites to read what was on them so i don't know if what they said would be protected under the Constitution. once again, I'm not trying to defend them or to offend anyone who was hurt by this incedent. Ruth (who is also part of these kids age group and is definatly not proud of it). ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:37:00 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: Writer's Showcase Comments: To: LOISCLA@VM.EGE.EDU.TR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer of the Week. She is an Irish Floc who now lives in England. She, also, is a talented writer who gave a very interesting interview. The URL is............ http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html. I hope you have time to drop by and read her interview. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:18:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:39 PM 2/21/1999 -0600, Kathy wrote: >What is the worst thing Lois has said/done to Clark? I'm not talking about >rejecting him in BatP (she was very nice about that) or not taking him back >in WIEAK (she was right not to! Go Lois!) but really mean stuff. Actually, I found one of Lois' lines at the end of WIEAK so nasty and spiteful that it left me gasping for air. At the point I'm talking about, Lois had made her point about her life being her own, that neither Clark nor Superman had the right to run her life. [I'm in full agreement with this part of the scene] Clark then asked her not to push him out of her life and she said something about there always being the Planet the next day. [They still seemed to be on track, if not exactly on amicable terms] Then, Clark wryly reiterated the quote >from the poster ads displayed around town, "Lane and Kent, the hottest team in town" to which Lois responded "*News* team". This is the phrase that left me gasping. Lois' response indicated, to me anyway, that she was rejecting Clark totally. Shortly after Clark arrived in Metropolis, Lois had said that they were partners, then as their relationship developed admitted to them being best friends, and then finally that she wanted them to be more than that. With this response, it was as if she'd negated their entire relationship. Not only was she saying that they were no longer best friends or potential lovers, but that they weren't even partners anymore--merely co-workers, if that! I didn't think Clark deserved that. I know he wasn't doing a very good job of apologizing, but to throw that line at him, right after he'd ask her *not* to push him out of her life, I thought was mean and despicable. It was as if she'd stuck the knife in him and then twisted it so it would hurt the most. By emphasizing "news", Lois was basically saying they didn't even have the relationship that they'd had since his third week on the job! Her response was unnecessary and uncalled for. It was a mean thing to say and I thought that this spiteful response was one of the worst things that Lois did to Clark. Margaret %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:54:36 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I agree that Lois was only really mean to Clark in the very beginning. Starting with Green Green Glow of Home, Lois actually started being kind of nice to Clark and their friendship began to really develop. I think that the life lesson Clark gave her with the Sewage plant did make her realize that he was her equal in many ways and made her turn the corner. That said, I just remembered that she was very petty and childish in Wall of Sound when Clark got nominated for the Kerth Award and she didn't. She did have the grace to realize that she was being mean and small-minded and apologize later, but her initial reaction and response was "You don't deserve it, I do." Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:13:22 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Ann E. McBride" Subject: Re: Non-Saint Lois (was Re: Saint Clark) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Good point. Because up until then she had seemed like she wanted to get back together. Then when he tries to, she rejects him. It does seem like she wants to hurt him as much as he had hurt her in Contact. ( And he didn't mean or want to hurt her, he was in his bumbling, guy sort of way, trying to protect her life.) Thank goodness Perry had more sense than either one of them. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:55:50 MST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEBRA GRAY Subject: Re: [Writer's Showcase] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Just went to the Writer's Showcase addy Annie listed in her post and all = I got was a message from Simplenet that the site is not there. Hope you aren't having troubles with the server! Debra G. Lansbury 1 wrote: Hello, The Writer's Showcase has a new Featured Writer of the Week. She is an I= rish Floc who now lives in England. She, also, is a talented writer who gave = a very interesting interview. The URL is............ http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html. I hope you have time to drop by and read her interview. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:12:56 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: [Writer's Showcase] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, it's still there. Please be sure to leave off the period at the end of the URL. Those pesky little things are just a habit to include. Thanks Anne ;)