From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9902B" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:20:28 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: PROMO: S6, episode 5, "Hypergirl" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PROMO: Season 6, Episode 5, "Hypergirl" Airing Sunday, February 14, 1999 __________________ ANNOUNCER: Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, Mxyzptlk wants the world .... And Superman's baby, too. __________________ "Mxyzptlk!" Clark exclaimed, his memory of a particularly bad Christmas leaping into his mind. The imp glared at him. "Mr. Mxyzptlk, if you don't mind!" he replied in an exasperated tone. __________________ ANNOUNCER: This Valentine's Day ... __________________ << Shot of Mxyzptlk floating in mid-air, dressed in a diaper and holding a heart-tipped bow and arrow >> __________________ ANNOUNCER: Lois and Clark are going to get more than hearts and flowers >from their little girl. __________________ Lois made a frustrated sound as she sipped her tea. "First it was 'she's just a newborn', now it's 'she's teething'. What's it going to be next week?" *** Laura, on telephone: "Hi Mommy!" ___________________ ANNOUNCER: But will Metropolis ever be the same? __________________ "I can't believe the way you embarrassed me," Laura yelled. "None of the other kids were being hauled out by their parents." "You aren't one of the other kids!" Lois yelled back. "You're my kid, and I won't have you in the middle of a mob." *** "You leave Laura out of this," Clark said loudly. Mxyzptlk shook his head in mock dismay. "Can't do that, Sups," he said brightly. "She's all part of the plan." ___________________ ANNOUNCER: On Sunday, February 14, join S6 for ... ____________________ Jimmy: "I thought you were Ultrawoman." Laura: "I'm just a girl." She paused for a moment before adding with a small smile, "Hypergirl." ___________________ "Hypergirl" by Crystal Wimmer. Coming February 14 to a monitor near you! ___________________ Superman: "Young Lady, we need to talk." ___________________________________________________________ ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:22:39 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, "Hypergirl" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit LOL!!! I can just see this promo running on TV!!! Can't *wait* until next week!!!!!! Anne :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:38:31 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, "Hypergirl" In-Reply-To: <6546b84b.36be90bf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:22 AM 08/02/99 EST, you wrote: >LOL!!! > >I can just see this promo running on TV!!! > >Can't *wait* until next week!!!!!! > >Anne :) ok, but who's going to play Laura? jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (6) and Megan (3) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:41:43 -0700 Reply-To: desertrat@uswest.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Desert Rat Organization: Desert Rat Computer Services Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, "Hypergirl" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to be way off topic, but what is the correct address to e-mail the group. I just had a hard drive crash and it seems to have taken my brain with it. Thanks guys. By the way, what was the name of the episode that L&C were talking on the phone with no phone cord? Jenny Stosser wrote: > At 02:22 AM 08/02/99 EST, you wrote: > >LOL!!! > > > >I can just see this promo running on TV!!! > > > >Can't *wait* until next week!!!!!! > > > >Anne :) > > ok, but who's going to play Laura? > jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn > (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 > Photos of David (6) and Megan (3) on the Stosser Family HomePage: > http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! -- www.knight.cncfamily.com ICQ# :29945196 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:46:37 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Query from 'House of Luthor' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi! Is there anyone out there who knows the script of 'House of Luthor' so well that they could answer this question for me - it's essential to enable me to finish my latest fanfic, and I'd rather not wait until I can find the opportunity to watch the ep again. At the end, when Lois and Clark are talking outside the Planet, which of them says (ostensibly about the globe) 'I've never seen anything so beautiful in my life' and who then replies 'I was just thinking the same thing'. I think it was Lois, then Clark replied, but can't remember. Thanks in advance to anyone who can tell me - I'll give you a credit in the story, if you like! Wendy ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:09:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: James M Shriver Subject: Re: Query from 'House of Luthor' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clark says I've never seen anything so beautiful in my life first.Ep was just on tnt here in us :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:43:11 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: Query from 'House of Luthor' In-Reply-To: <19990208.071554.-119829.0.Jtek@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Thank you very much, James - just what I needed to hear.... Wendy > Clark says I've never seen anything so beautiful in my life first.Ep was > just on tnt here in us :) ---------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:11:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: Query from 'House of Luthor' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii <***Is there anyone out there who knows the script of 'House of Luthor' so well that they could answer this question for me - it's essential to enable me to finish my latest fanfic, and I'd rather not wait until I can find the opportunity to watch the ep again. At the end, when Lois and Clark are talking outside the Planet, which of them says (ostensibly about the globe) 'I've never seen anything so beautiful in my life' and who then replies 'I was just thinking the same thing'. I think it was Lois, then Clark replied, but can't remember. Thanks in advance to anyone who can tell me - I'll give you a credit in the story, if you like! Wendy***> I just saw this ep on TNT last week! I think it was Clark that said, "I've never seen anything so beautiful...", and then Lois replied "I was thinking the same thing". ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:43:56 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Query from 'House of Luthor' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/99 2:13:34 PM !!!First Boot!!!, jsowell@METLIFE.COM writes: << At the end, when Lois and Clark are talking outside the Planet, which of them says (ostensibly about the globe) 'I've never seen anything so beautiful in my life' and who then replies 'I was just thinking the same thing'. I think it was Lois, then Clark replied, but can't remember. >> Just checked my tape: Clark says 'I've never seen anything so beautiful in my whole life't but Lois' reply is a bit different. She says:You never gave up on the Planet, your friends, me. Clark counters with I couldn't. You've probably just name everything in this world that's precious to me. And Lois responds with what is probably one of the most well-know quotes: I don't think I have ever, will ever meet anyone quite like you. After that she tries to tell him she is attracted to him and he tells her he never meant what he said about being in love with her. Hope this helps Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:06:47 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: Query from 'House of Luthor' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain >Is there anyone out there who knows the script of 'House of Luthor' >so well that they could answer this question for me - it's essential >to enable me to finish my latest fanfic, and I'd rather not wait >until I can find the opportunity to watch the ep again. > >At the end, when Lois and Clark are talking outside the Planet, which >of them says (ostensibly about the globe) 'I've never seen anything >so beautiful in my life' and who then replies 'I was just thinking >the same thing'. I think it was Lois, then Clark replied, but can't >remember. > >Thanks in advance to anyone who can tell me - I'll give you a credit >in the story, if you like! > >Wendy > >---------------------- >Wendy Richards >w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk > It was Lois and then Clark because Clark was looking at Lois when He said I was just thinking the same thing,. I hope that I was of some help Anne Simmonds ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:04:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Kerths Nominations Reminder Comments: cc: lnc list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all ;) Just wanted to give a quick reminder to everyone about Kerth nominations. There are only two weeks left to nominate your favorite fanfics! Are you guys catching up on your reading?? In case you haven't visited the eligible stories list on my website recently (http://www.ida.net/users/davek/Kerth_Eligibles.htm), a few new stories and changes have been made, so you might want to visit there again to see if you've missed reading anything. ;) Anyway, I hope to see your nominations in my email box soon! Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** NOMINATE YOUR FAVORITE FANFIC! http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/kerth-nom.html ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:46:41 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: April Story Subject: Re: Futuresport Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/7/99, 10:36:30 PM, LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU writes: <> Welcome Cristin =) If anyone is still really wanting the hardback cover with the steam picture on it - you might check out ebay.com as they seem to have people auctioning them all the time, or you might try Barnes & Noble or Borders bookstores and see if they can special order it for you......since it has been a couple of years or so since this book was published - I have no idea if the hardback is still available.....and actually it is only the cover jacket with the pic - as the book itself does not have this picture on it..... Hope this helps =) April ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:09:49 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: Query from 'House of Luthor' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/99 5:47:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes: << At the end, when Lois and Clark are talking outside the Planet, which of them says (ostensibly about the globe) 'I've never seen anything so beautiful in my life' and who then replies 'I was just thinking the same thing'. I think it was Lois, then Clark replied, but can't remember. >> I remember it as Lois saying it first looking at the globe, then Clark replying meaning Lois (but that's the romantic in me ) But I did check the script I have and this is what it said (bringing me back to reality ): Stern moves off. PERRY (as he, Jimmy, Jack follow) Now, Stern. Stern! Wait just a doggone minute! Lois and Clark are left alone. CLARK (per the globe) I've never seen anything so beautiful in all my life. Lois looks at Clark, seeing him in a newfound light. LOIS You never gave up. On the Planet, on your friends, on me. Clark looks at her. CLARK I couldn't. You've just named almost everything in the world that's precious to me. LOIS I don't think I've ever, _will_ ever meet anyone quite like you. LOIS CLARK Clark... Lois... Anne :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:13:47 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Elizabeth Eve Davis Organization: Mississippi State University Subject: Re: Query from 'House of Luthor' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > who then replies 'I was just thinking the same thing'. No one says that. Lois then starts in on, " You never gave up..." I think you're thinking of Battleground Earth where Clark says, " Let's get married..." Lois replies," That's exactly what I was thinking." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:23:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... In-Reply-To: <107c0347.36bf448d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:09 PM 2/8/99 EST, you wrote: >I remember it as Lois saying it first looking at the globe, then Clark >replying meaning Lois (but that's the romantic in me ) > Lois and Clark are left alone. > > CLARK > (per the globe) > I've never seen anything so > beautiful in all my life. > > Lois looks at Clark, seeing him in a newfound light. Well, purely from an actor's perspective, the script may well have said (per the globe) and, as Anne pointed out, it was indeed intended that way, however Dean didn't *play* the moment that way... Anne is also right, he chose (artistically, or for whatever other reason) to play that line directly to Lois... and I agree with the rest of you, IMHO it was a beautiful choice for him to have made. He could have gazed up at the globe in wonder and said the exact same thing in just the way the script asked him to... but he didn't. He was lookin' at Lois Lane ;) Gotta love that man. *sigh* Demi demona@shaw.wave.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:13:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, "Hypergirl" In-Reply-To: <36BE9537.EED7C418@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anne wrote: >> >LOL!!! >> > >> >I can just see this promo running on TV!!! LOL! I have to admit, of all the promos I've done for S6, this one had me grinning the most. I said the same thing -- Too bad we don't have the actors so we could film this promo for TV!! I kept laughing everytime I pictured it. (And trust me, everyone, Crystal's episode does not disappoint -- definitely an outstanding, fun story. :)) Then Jenny asked: >> ok, but who's going to play Laura? Oooo, good question. Um, Emmy all grown up? Kathy (who has been scouting around for an actress to "play" a character in her own episode set to air in April, but thank goodness we aren't really filming these. It's hard enough to come up with L&C pictures let alone "guess star" ones. ) ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:19:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Georgia E. Walden" Subject: Re: Query from 'House of Luthor' In-Reply-To: <107c0347.36bf448d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:09 PM 2/8/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/8/99 5:47:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, >ida18@HRM.KEELE.AC.UK writes: > ><< At the end, when Lois and Clark are talking outside the Planet, which > of them says (ostensibly about the globe) 'I've never seen anything > so beautiful in my life' and who then replies 'I was just thinking > the same thing'. I think it was Lois, then Clark replied, but can't > remember. >> Anne replied: >I remember it as Lois saying it first looking at the globe, then Clark >replying meaning Lois (but that's the romantic in me ) then quoted the script, which is the same version I have, which says that Clark is looking at the globe when he makes the first statement. But if you watch the tape carefully and pay attention to the facial expressions (as we romantics always do ) it's pretty obvious that it's Lois he's talking about. The globe is out in the street, Clark is leaning against one of the pillars and is looking across the area to where Lois is standing. The intent of the script may have been to be more ambiguous, but the way the scene is shot and played, it looks to me like Clark wants Lois to take his statement as a personal one, but isn't quite brave enough to come right out and say it. Lois is encouraged enough by his words to initiate a conversation about the very emotional events that have occurred. Anyway, it's another example of how scripts are great and useful, but they're no subsitute for what's on the screen.;) Georgia > gwalde14@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:23:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Georgia E. Walden" Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990208152349.0071ae34@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:23 PM 2/8/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Well, purely from an actor's perspective, the script may well have said >(per the globe) and, as Anne pointed out, it was indeed intended that way, >however Dean didn't *play* the moment that way... Anne is also right, he >chose (artistically, or for whatever other reason) to play that line >directly to Lois... and I agree with the rest of you, IMHO it was a >beautiful choice for him to have made. Oops. I sent my comments about this scene before getting Demi's message, or I wouldn't have bothered. This is exactly what I meant, though, and it's nice to know that we weren't imagining what we saw. It wasn't the first time and it wouldn't be the last that Dean and/or Teri brought a romantic warmth to scenes that could have been played in very different ways. Georgia gwalde14@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:51:47 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain >HI! I'm new to the list, but I had to write this. Teri and Dean are great aren't they? Okay, I'm an obsessed fan. Rachel >At 03:23 PM 2/8/99 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Well, purely from an actor's perspective, the script may well have said >>(per the globe) and, as Anne pointed out, it was indeed intended that way, >>however Dean didn't *play* the moment that way... Anne is also right, he >>chose (artistically, or for whatever other reason) to play that line >>directly to Lois... and I agree with the rest of you, IMHO it was a >>beautiful choice for him to have made. > >Oops. I sent my comments about this scene before getting Demi's message, >or I wouldn't have bothered. This is exactly what I meant, though, and >it's nice to know that we weren't imagining what we saw. It wasn't the >first time and it wouldn't be the last that Dean and/or Teri brought a >romantic warmth to scenes that could have been played in very different ways. > >Georgia > > >gwalde14@mindspring.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:17:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Donna Lehman <102262.2435@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Futuresport MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I recently purchased a book and it had the Gold Shield on it. (paperback)= I ordered it through a local bookstore. When I got it I was so disappointed= because the picture was not on the front. But I kinda enjoyed the story, but it definitely was not OUR Lois and Clark. I am going to make my own steam picture from my downloads and put it on myself!! Donna ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:26:32 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, "Hypergirl" << Kathy (who has been scouting around for an actress to "play" a character in her own episode set to air in April, but thank goodness we aren't really filming these. It's hard enough to come up with L&C pictures let alone "guess star" ones. ) >> I know it's probably tough to find the pictures (especially now that Laura is born since I'm sure there aren't any/many screen captures with either Lois or Clark holding a baby), but don't stop looking! I usually read the S6 episodes via e-mail but I always check the web site to see who's starring in this week's episode. :) The pictures just enhance the whole S6 experience. :) -Christy (who was just wondering when the next S6 episode was due out and, what a surprise, it's on my birthday! what a nice present! :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:27:41 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, "Hypergirl" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kathy, That was marvelous. If you where working for ABC Lois and Clark still would be on the air. Annie ;) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:39:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, "Hypergirl" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii <***-Christy (who was just wondering when the next S6 episode was due out and, what a surprise, it's on my birthday! what a nice present! :)***> I agree Christy. I was wondering the same thing this morning before I checked my e-mail. I too was glad to see that it is due this weekend. My birthday is on Saturday! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:04:51 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain >Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:39:48 -0500 >Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" > >From: Joy N Sowell >Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, "Hypergirl" >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > ><***-Christy (who was just wondering when the next S6 episode was due out >and, what >a surprise, it's on my birthday! what a nice present! :)***> > I agree Christy. I was wondering the same thing this morning before >I checked my e-mail. I too was glad to see that it is due this weekend. >My birthday is on Saturday! So many birthdays in February! Congrats to everybody. It must be a nice month to have a birthday. Mine is in October adn it gets forgotten among all the back to school hype. Rachel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:42:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Dennis A Arendt Subject: Best Men MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to the video dealer that i always work with........Best Men's due date is 3/23!!!!!!!! Brenda ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:34:58 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Kerths Nominations Reminder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm working on them. Got the list will send my nominies out the end of this week, I promise. Will try to finish before Saturday but if not Saturday for sure. Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:46:46 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990208152349.0071ae34@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't disagree with you Demi, about lovin' that man, but I have 2 cents worth to add to this discussion. It may well have been Dean's idea to say the line that way or look at her that way, but IMHO, it was filmed that way on purpose and was meant to take advantage of an otherwise hidden double entendre type of romantic moment. In this case, as in many others, it is the director's (and the film editor's) job to make it look that way. Dean could have been looking in that general direction, but the director made sure the camera angle and later editing reflected the moment the way we see it, which is that CK is really admiring LL. In live performance, one can very carefully and occasionally (not too often, or you are not hired back!) go against one's directors wishes (I have gotten away with this kind of thing, adding comic touches, during comic operas) but not on film. TV programs are the product of a team effort. Perhaps it is because Dean is so good at this very kind of scene that it ended up appearing that way, even though it is not specified in the script. Babble mode reset in the off position now! Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu >At 03:09 PM 2/8/99 EST, you wrote: >>I remember it as Lois saying it first looking at the globe, then Clark >>replying meaning Lois (but that's the romantic in me ) >> Lois and Clark are left alone. >> >> CLARK >> (per the globe) >> I've never seen anything so >> beautiful in all my life. >> >> Lois looks at Clark, seeing him in a newfound light. > >Well, purely from an actor's perspective, the script may well have said >(per the globe) and, as Anne pointed out, it was indeed intended that way, >however Dean didn't *play* the moment that way... Anne is also right, he >chose (artistically, or for whatever other reason) to play that line >directly to Lois... and I agree with the rest of you, IMHO it was a >beautiful choice for him to have made. > >He could have gazed up at the globe in wonder and said the exact same thing >in just the way the script asked him to... but he didn't. He was lookin' at >Lois Lane ;) Gotta love that man. > >*sigh* > >Demi >demona@shaw.wave.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:07:41 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/99 12:32:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschnall@MAIL.MED.CORNELL.EDU writes: << It may well have been Dean's idea to say the line that way or look at her that way, but IMHO, it was filmed that way on purpose and was meant to take advantage of an otherwise hidden double entendre type of romantic moment. In this case, as in many others, it is the director's (and the film editor's) job to make it look that way. Dean could have been looking in that general direction, but the director made sure the camera angle and later editing reflected the moment the way we see it, which is that CK is really admiring LL. >> Well, I am going to have to disagree. The director may have been the one to capture it just right, but I think Dean had a lot to do with it. Give the man credit, already. You can argue and debate every minute point to every second of that show, but one thing you can't tell me is that a director was the one to portray how Dean delivered his line just by making sure he had the camera angle just right. What Dean and Teri did for that show to me, is priceless. The way they delivered every line or they way they added that something extra that they felt just worked (like the "Hug" at the end of IR 7:01, 7:02, ect .. or the way Dean lifted Teri at the end of Brutal Youth.) But then again I guess we got all those "GTO's" by the way the director just seemed to zoom in and catch them at the right time, huh? ;) I am not in the business, not an actor, not a director and I wouldn't know the first thing when it comes to what actually goes into to what made Lois & Clark the show I fell in love with. But if you want this girl's opinion? I think Teri and Dean were the ones that had a leetle more to with what we saw on the screen and how they portrayed their characters or delivered their lines. I think there's a thread going on over on Demi's site about how hard Teri was to work with and there is a post that actually gives the point I'm trying to make. It was Demi who actually said it and I'm going to quote her here. (Sorry Demi :) "Teri and Dean were two actors who knew their TV characters better than anyone else alive (except perhaps a few FoLCs whom we all know) ... They played the same people 6 days a week and lets face it...ultimately, if they said "Clark/Lois wouldn't do things this way .." or "this doesn't sound right." or "Clark/Lois wouldn't say that" then the director/producer(s) et al., would have been foolish not to listen to their advice, and it was perfectly within their right as actors to insist that their words be taken seriously, in that respect." Not that I am trying to take anything away from the director (and I am sure Demi's not either) but the glances, the more meaningful looks and the simple touching is more Dean and Teri then how the director caught it all on camera And to me? The greater the detail that is nitpicked the less enjoyment I get out of it. So I am going to keep on believing that Dean was the one to imply that to Clark, he's "never seen anything so beautiful" that Lois Lane. Anne :) (who hopes she made sense, but if not someone will point it out ) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:30:42 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... In-Reply-To: <3b9f3f3c.36c0b1ad@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anne: Okay, I think we can agree to disagree:) However, I agreed with much of what you said. I also believe I give credit to Dean a lot in my ep thoughts which I know some people think are just nitpick fests:( I love Dean, in case nobody noticed. I have no desire to steal his thunder, take credit away from him or in any way criticize him, as it must seem to some people that I do. Did I not recently go on record saying I was completely gone on him and have been for months? It so happens that I agree very much with what you said Dean and Teri brought to their characters, which I believe they played every day for a continuous shooting schedule of 176 days in a row for four years, or something very close to that which I garnered from Dean interviews. I would also love to subscribe to Demi's list so I can read that discussion because it sounds fascinating. If my experiences in opera production have not been useful, I apologize. Opera is a very different world from TV production and I don't pretend to know what Zoom knows about TV or anyone else may know about theater or the movies. I only know that even the lead in a production does not have the only say on how things are filmed, presented or produced. If it was Dean's idea, more power to him:) Dean was interviewed at some point and asked about how much input he had. He mentioned that he had a lot to say about how episodes he wrote were filmed. I also understand that Zoom has a treasure trove of stories, some of which I probably have not heard yet, about how Dean or Teri (or both) had ideas that made it to the screen. That's fabulous. There was lots of talk on the Sci-Fi channel about these aspects in Classic Trek. Smart TV directors don't try to influence character too widely from the norm, or they cannot be relied upon to get the ep into the series properly, and they are not hired back. Actually there is a very famous story about what happened when a particular script writer tried to present his own very different view of Trek, which was altered to fit into the Trek reality and then went on to win a sci-fi award for the original story. It is a creative team process, is all I was trying to say:) Okay, now that I have missed L&C two days in a row because I had to work late, I am going to shush and go home now:) Goodnight:) Carolyn >In a message dated 2/9/99 12:32:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, >cschnall@MAIL.MED.CORNELL.EDU writes: > ><< It may well have been Dean's idea to say the line that way or look at her > that way, but IMHO, it was filmed that way on purpose and was meant to take > advantage of an otherwise hidden double entendre type of romantic moment. > In this case, as in many others, it is the director's (and the film > editor's) job to make it look that way. Dean could have been looking in > that general direction, but the director made sure the camera angle and > later editing reflected the moment the way we see it, which is that CK is > really admiring LL. >> > >Well, I am going to have to disagree. The director may have been the one to >capture it just right, but I think Dean had a lot to do with it. Give the man >credit, already. > >You can argue and debate every minute point to every second of that show, but >one thing you can't tell me is that a director was the one to portray how Dean >delivered his line just by making sure he had the camera angle just right. > >What Dean and Teri did for that show to me, is priceless. The way they >delivered every line or they way they added that something extra that they >felt just worked (like the "Hug" at the end of IR 7:01, 7:02, ect .. or the >way Dean lifted Teri at the end of Brutal Youth.) But then again I guess we >got all those "GTO's" by the way the director just seemed to zoom in and catch >them at the right time, huh? ;) > >I am not in the business, not an actor, not a director and I wouldn't know the >first thing when it comes to what actually goes into to what made Lois & Clark >the show I fell in love with. But if you want this girl's opinion? I think >Teri and Dean were the ones that had a leetle more to with what we saw on the >screen and how they portrayed their characters or delivered their lines. > >I think there's a thread going on over on Demi's site about how hard Teri was >to work with and there is a post that actually gives the point I'm trying to >make. It was Demi who actually said it and I'm going to quote her here. (Sorry >Demi :) > >"Teri and Dean were two actors who knew their TV characters better than anyone >else alive (except perhaps a few FoLCs whom we all know) ... They played the >same people 6 days a week and lets face it...ultimately, if they said >"Clark/Lois wouldn't do things this way .." or "this doesn't sound right." or >"Clark/Lois wouldn't say that" then the director/producer(s) et al., would >have been foolish not to listen to their advice, and it was perfectly within >their right as actors to insist that their words be taken seriously, in that >respect." > >Not that I am trying to take anything away from the director (and I am sure >Demi's not either) but the glances, the more meaningful looks and the simple >touching is more Dean and Teri then how the director caught it all on camera > >And to me? The greater the detail that is nitpicked the less enjoyment I get >out of it. So I am going to keep on believing that Dean was the one to imply >that to Clark, he's "never seen anything so beautiful" that Lois Lane. > >Anne :) >(who hopes she made sense, but if not someone will point it out ) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:10:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: OT: Any clues... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any clues why I can't seem to get a message through on to LOISCLA... ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection timed out with vm.ege.edu.tr. Message could not be delivered for 5 days Message will be deleted from queue Reporting-MTA: dns; kitsune.swcp.com Arrival-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 04:49:04 -0700 (MST) and others like this, with different dates. but I'm getting mail from the list? Especially the wonderful thoughts and observations of Carolyn S? (On from her most recently dated Feb. 9th) I've even queried and subbed... but nothing. I've been on that list since 9/94 and this has never happened. Have I pissed someone off? Hmm... ;) Is anyone else having problems? Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:23:26 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: marycudmore Subject: Re: OT: Any clues... In-Reply-To: <199902100008.RAA06421@kitsune.swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:10 PM 2/9/99 -0700, you wrote: >Any clues why I can't seem to get a message through on to LOISCLA... >but I'm getting mail from the list? Especially the wonderful thoughts and >observations of Carolyn S? (On from her most recently dated Feb. 9th) I've >even queried and subbed... but nothing. I've been on that list since 9/94 >and this has never happened. Have I pissed someone off? Hmm... ;) Is >anyone else having problems? Debbie, I am not getting messages from the list and when I go to Zoomway's site it says the list is down. It has said that for weeks, maybe even a month or more. I must have pissed them off worse than you because at least you get postings. I send something last week and it came back. If you find out more, let me know. Mary C. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:24:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:30 PM 2/9/99 -0500, Carolyn Schnall wrote: >It is a >creative team process, is all I was trying to say:) > I understand what you were trying to say, Carolyn. Had Dean and Teri been in the same shot, there'd've been no question but that the object of "I've never seen anything so beautiful" being Lois was Dean's choice. However, since it was a one-shot (i.e. Dean was the only actor in the scene) and depended on the cutaway to Lois--instead of the Daily Planet globe--for the impact, the director and film editor had as much to do with the final effect as Dean did. However, Dean certainly seemed to me to have a more yearning, romantic expression than would have been appropriate toward the D.P. Globe, so I definitely think that he had chosen to read the line that way, and the director agreed with his choice. After spending a week watching a one-hour drama being filmed, the one thing I found most interesting was that the directors (I saw parts of two eps, each with a different director) really didn't tell the stars how to do *anything*. They made suggestions, but they pretty much let the actors decide how they wanted to handle it--because the actors knew their characters better than anyone, especially better than a director who came in for eight days of shooting. So I have no difficulty believing that Dean chose to play the "I've never seen anything so beautiful" the way it came across on the screen, but I also know that the director had to buy into it or it wouldn't have appeared that way on-screen. (Remember, the director is editing the ep together while the stars are working on the next eps.) Sheila sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:39:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: marycudmore Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:30 PM 2/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >Anne: >>I would also love to subscribe to Demi's list so I can read that discussion >because it sounds fascinating. Please send me in the direction of Demi's list. Any help appreciated. I so enjoy the discussions that surround our favorite couple. Thanks to all who discuss. Mary C. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:22:06 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Demi's MBs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It not a separate list, but another set of Message Boards. You can get to them through her awesome site at: http://destinyy.com/lcfantasy/ Anne :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:40:40 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genine Murray Subject: Re: OT: Any clues... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/99 9:03:51 PM EST, mcudmore@NYCAP.RR.COM writes: << At 05:10 PM 2/9/99 -0700, you wrote: >Any clues why I can't seem to get a message through on to LOISCLA... >but I'm getting mail from the list? Especially the wonderful thoughts and >observations of Carolyn S? (On from her most recently dated Feb. 9th) I've >even queried and subbed... but nothing. I've been on that list since 9/94 >and this has never happened. Have I pissed someone off? Hmm... ;) Is >anyone else having problems? Debbie, I am not getting messages from the list and when I go to Zoomway's site it says the list is down. It has said that for weeks, maybe even a month or more. I must have pissed them off worse than you because at least you get postings. I send something last week and it came back. If you find out more, let me know. Mary C. >> Debby, Mary, and the rest of the FoLCs, I have also been having troubles with LOISCLA lately. I am getting *plenty* of posts, no doubt about that. In fact I have to delete many of them just to keep up lately. However I sent one message out *3* different times before it finally made it onto the list *once*. I don't know what is wrong but it is really frustrating, and it does seem to be a problem for more than one of us. And here I thought it was just me ... I hope they get it straightened out soon so no one else has to be frustrated by this problem. Genine =o) SuperGem4@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:57:21 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hello everyone!!!! Just a small question.... What does IMHO mean. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance, Anne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:30:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Another 'Demi Opus' (was: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ...) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow, it's wonderful to be able to write another book on LOISCLA. It's been a while, but I love it when I can't shut up..! LOL Lucky for the rest of you, there's always that 'delete' key. ;) At 12:46 PM 09/02/99 -0500, Carolyn wrote: >I don't disagree with you Demi, about lovin' that man, but I have 2 cents >worth to add to this discussion. >It may well have been Dean's idea to say the line that way or look at her >that way, but IMHO, it was filmed that way on purpose and was meant to take >advantage of an otherwise hidden double entendre type of romantic moment. >In this case, as in many others, it is the director's (and the film >editor's) job to make it look that way. I don't think you're disagreeing with me Carolyn :) Just extrapolating on what I'd said. Very definitely the director had to shoot the scene differently than scripted in order for us to have experienced Clark looking at Lois (and not the globe). Actually, it didn't even occur to me to qualify my comment, because I think I probably just made the assumption and not thought more about it, which I suppose may have been testament to my having made the post in a rush. (I usually write a novel when it comes to posting on these kinds of topics!) ;) However, I do believe that it was in fact Dean's idea, and not the director's; Dean who asked for the change, and who got what he asked for _from_ the director. That's my opinion, in this instance, at least. Many times during the run of the series Dean and/or Teri made changes to their scripting, in small ways creating moments which most FoLCs have come to adore. Things like Lois cleaning up spilled champagne with her foot in The Phoenix, or the addition of her "7:01, 7:01.." monologue (the one where Teri puts her arms around Dean's neck ;) -- things which meant so much in retrospect, and were definitely the actor's suggestions. Ultimately the creative process is accomplished by the contributions of everyone involved, the director, the actors, the technical crew and supporting staff, that's a given, I would never dispute that, however the director changed with almost every episode of the filming of L&C, (which is normal for most television we see now-a-days) and both Dean and Teri were adamant that they were the ones who knew their characters best. I know it's been mentioned more than once that each of them stood behind their decisions and choices, whether the director always agreed or not. (Teri was castigated over that perhaps more often than Dean, however ;) In any event, Dean and Teri remained constants in that the characters they created (as actors) were guarded and nurtured by them. They were always offering artistic suggestions, and were very often consulted with regards to the scripting of the episodes. :) <> I hold my degree in Theatre and Film, more specifically live performance direction. ;) To my mind, (I agree with Carolyn that) the collaborative process is one which is indeed at the heart of all that is Theatre, as it should be. Television is likewise a collaboration of talented minds, however, with television, I feel that we're looking at a crankier, somewhat less "Director-God" oriented medium than the stage is; for the very reason that directors come and go on most TV series, leaving only the actors and (some) of the writers and technical staff behind who live and breathe the series six days a week. I have actually posted about this before, so at the risk of sounding repetitive, I'm going to take and paraphrase some of my own words from another time. It's been years anyway.. so perhaps no one will remember! (ulp ;) When you direct television many of your greatest concerns are often nit-picky technicalities which live performance either doesn't see, or has a tremendous amount more time to iron out. Due to the reactively short period of time a director is granted to put out a television episode, those types of concerns often end up taking up more time than s/he would find themselves able to devote to artistic decisions regarding characterization (for example). In the end, it truly is the actors who (being on set and in character day after day, year after year) know and desire control over those more intimate details in any event. It's a symbiotic relationship which I think works out for the best most often, as well. ;) This is not to say that directors are not creative at all, its *amazing* the kind of difference you can see between two different people's directing style, in *any* medium, television being no exception. How a director cuts the show when its in the can is also an indication of his/her ability. Details such as how fast the episode appears to move, the angles from which the shots are taken (as Carolyn mentioned :), the clever ways in which the master shots are done.. all these and more are the hand of the director at play. So there *is* room for creativity, but (due to time constraints) not very much room for the kind of individualistic attention to character specific artistic decisions which directors can get away with in theatre and in feature films. TV Directors do offer suggestions to the actors about those things from time to time, but... it's not the same as it is for film (And as any director who ever gave Teri Hatcher a character note might attest to, it's also a potentially life threatening experience ). The difference in role between a TV and a Film (or Theatre) director is also the reason why --IMHO-- many actors tend to go on to direct, not so much for television, as for feature films -- they crave *artistic* control over things such as characterization and moment-to-moment narrative, things they've always wished they had 100% of the time in other venues. Television direction doesn't always grant a director that luxury. ;) Back on the subject of changing the focus (or direction) of even one line, I can never get over how incredible it can be when the object of control or power in a scene shifts from one person, or object to something/someone else completely, it can alter the entire scope of a scene, in just the way I think Dean did when uttered that (now famous) phrase "I've never seen anything more beautiful in my entire life". (And the globe blushed ;) That one tiny difference can mean everything. Something else I mentioned years ago (and this very much backs up what Carolyn was mentioning regarding team work on a production, whether for the screen or the stage.:) I actually saw one particular play, twice, which involved two people who were having a discussion about the fact that neither one wanted *anything* to do with the other. Both were simultaneously angry and hurt because they had broken up with their own respective lovers, (not each other). The first time I saw the play, they were arguing and very emotionally upset with one another, as the script suggested for them to be, and then they left (next scene). The next time I saw this same play, done by a different director, and with a different cast, this very same scene was transformed. While having the same heated discussion and debate, both were frantically undressing one another, until, in the end, well, I think you can guess. So *how* lines are interpreted by the actors and directors (even in TV, just as much as in any other performance medium) is indeed extremely important. Teri (I like using Teri in my examples, she's great at vocally challenging authority ;) would say in interviews often that she would usually hold her ground about some blocking detail or some emotion she felt she should keep -- even when the director wanted it out. She said she did that becayse Lois was 'her baby', and she felt she knew her best. It's difficult to hold her at fault for that assumption. I happen to agree with her! :) She may not have been able to write out major details like...the break up in Contact, but, even as an actor, she *could* completely change the way her viewers felt about a scene. Dean had that same ability, and used it just as well, IMHO. THAT is definitely power. ;) Take Care All :) Demi (who knows she wrote another book.. I'll apologize later, I'm all out of ink! ;) ___________________________________________ Demi aka Demona demona@shaw.wave.ca http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ "Free your heart from your mind. Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not." - Charles de Lint ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:24:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: OT: Any clues... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:40 PM 2/9/1999 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/9/99 9:03:51 PM EST, mcudmore@NYCAP.RR.COM writes: > Debbie, > I am not getting messages from the list and when I go to Zoomway's site it > says the list is down. It has said that for weeks, maybe even a month or > more. I must have pissed them off worse than you because at least you get > postings. I send something last week and it came back. If you find out > more, let me know. > > Mary C. >> > >Debby, Mary, and the rest of the FoLCs, > >I have also been having troubles with LOISCLA lately. I am getting *plenty* >of posts, no doubt about that. In fact I have to delete many of them just to >keep up lately. However I sent one message out *3* different times before it >finally made it onto the list *once*. I don't know what is wrong but it is >really frustrating, and it does seem to be a problem for more than one of us. >And here I thought it was just me ... I hope they get it straightened out >soon so no one else has to be frustrated by this problem. > >Genine =o) >SuperGem4@aol.com Perhaps we should all link arms and sing... "our arms are linked and we won't write fanfic until..." nah... Well, I'm glad *this* list is cooperating :D Debby Debby@swcp.com not alone any more... ;) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:48:41 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LLOYD RALSTON Subject: a small addition to my unfinished fic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I haven't gotten a chance to revise it yet, but this small part probably doesn't need it. -- CC -- ~*~ Lois finally, somehow managed to get home, how she did not know, for she was in a dazed state as she shut her apartment door behind her. Not knowing what to do, she simply collasped on the couch with a tub of chocolate icecream and stared at the dark screen of the TV blankly. Perry had phoned Lois's sister, Lucy, in hopes that she could help; she said she'd get their as soon as possible. They hadn't managed to get a sensible word out of Lois ever since they got her in the car. She just simply broke down and didn't move once. Her face had lost its color, it seemed as if her very soul had been ripped harshly away from her and they were left with this empty shell of a person. Lois noticed a picture of Clark sitting on top of the TV. She reached for it with shaking hands unable to control her emotions anymore, and brushed a fingertip across his beautiful, smiling face and broke down once more into an unrecognizable, sobbing mess. "Clark! Oh, God, Clark!" She flung herself down on her couch and burried her tear and make-up streaked face into a pillow and became further a shaking, emotional wreck. Elroy, who had never seen Lois this way, sensed that she need some solace but even purrs and cat warmth couldn't sooth Lois in anyway. He stayed by her side though diligently, until she finally fell into an unrestful sleep. When she woke it was dark. She felt a cover around her shoulders, and she wondered how it got there. Her icecream had also disappeared back to the fridge no doubt. Someone must have came by, maybe, could it be? Clark? Her hopes rose suddenly and a little bit of color returned to her so pale of a face. It has to be! He's returned to say that he wants another chance, that we meant to be together! Lois heard breathing coming from the bedroom and she smiled. Clark must be in there! She walked on silent feet to her bedroom, and flipped on the light. But her face fell as she saw who was there. "Lucy?" ~*~ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:09:10 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii <***Hello everyone!!!! Just a small question.... What does IMHO mean. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance, Anne***> I think it means, In My Humble Opinion ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:17:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joy N Sowell Subject: Re: a small addition to my unfinished fic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lloyd, What can I say but Keep it coming!!! Great job. I look forward to the next installment. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:30:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: fchisham Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... In-Reply-To: <85256714.0048D33D.00@MetMtaG2.metlife.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I thought it was "In my _honest_ opinion". I guess both would be appropriate. On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Joy N Sowell wrote: > <***Hello everyone!!!! > > Just a small question.... What does IMHO mean. Am I missing something? > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 06:33:23 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: Rolling on What? (was Re: Kerth commercials) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Joy wrote: >ROTFL??? I know I'm new, but could someone explain this please? Thanks!! >JOY:) This means Rolling on the floor laughing.... Its just a way to let you know that were laughing...kinds like Hope that was helpful!!! Anne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:39:12 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: a small addition to my unfinished fic In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990210054841.007f2770@ldd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" CC, Glad that you are continuing to post sections of your fanfic as you get them written. One suggestion -- please include a synopsis of what has happened already in the story when you post a new part, especially if they aren't going to be posted regularly. With the amount of fanfic that I read, it's hard for me to keep them all straight. A title is very helpful, but a summary of what story it is this scene fits into would go a long way towards eliminating that blank stare I got when reading your scene. ;) Keep posting, Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:47:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: OT: Any clues... In-Reply-To: <199902100008.RAA06421@kitsune.swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Debby: Just wanted to thank you for thinking so highly of my efforts:) You made my day! So, I am not PO'd, that's for sure The sytem seemed to go down just before the weekend but seems up again. I posted something on 2/8 and again today in addition to replies to other stuff. Thanks to the 20th power:), Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu >Any clues why I can't seem to get a message through on to LOISCLA... > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... Deferred: Connection timed out with >vm.ege.edu.tr. > Message could not be delivered for 5 days > Message will be deleted from queue > Reporting-MTA: dns; kitsune.swcp.com > Arrival-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 04:49:04 -0700 (MST) > >and others like this, with different dates. > >but I'm getting mail from the list? Especially the wonderful thoughts and >observations of Carolyn S? (On from her most recently dated Feb. 9th) I've >even queried and subbed... but nothing. I've been on that list since 9/94 >and this has never happened. Have I pissed someone off? Hmm... ;) Is >anyone else having problems? > >Debby >Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:50:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... In-Reply-To: <36C052A300000416@cncc.cncc.cc.co.us> (added by cncc.cncc.cc.co.us) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Sheila: I appreciate your enlightening us with your experience, which is different >from mine, and therefore very educational. I am always glad to be understood:) Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu >At 06:30 PM 2/9/99 -0500, Carolyn Schnall wrote: >>It is a >>creative team process, is all I was trying to say:) >> >I understand what you were trying to say, Carolyn. Had Dean and Teri been >in the same shot, there'd've been no question but that the object of "I've >never seen anything so beautiful" being Lois was Dean's choice. However, >since it was a one-shot (i.e. Dean was the only actor in the scene) and >depended on the cutaway to Lois--instead of the Daily Planet globe--for the >impact, the director and film editor had as much to do with the final effect >as Dean did. However, Dean certainly seemed to me to have a more yearning, >romantic expression than would have been appropriate toward the D.P. Globe, >so I definitely think that he had chosen to read the line that way, and the >director agreed with his choice. > >After spending a week watching a one-hour drama being filmed, the one thing >I found most interesting was that the directors (I saw parts of two eps, >each with a different director) really didn't tell the stars how to do >*anything*. They made suggestions, but they pretty much let the actors >decide how they wanted to handle it--because the actors knew their >characters better than anyone, especially better than a director who came in >for eight days of shooting. So I have no difficulty believing that Dean >chose to play the "I've never seen anything so beautiful" the way it came >across on the screen, but I also know that the director had to buy into it >or it wouldn't have appeared that way on-screen. (Remember, the director is >editing the ep together while the stars are working on the next eps.) > >Sheila >sharper@cncc.cc.co.us ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:13:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: Another 'Demi Opus' (was: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ...) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990209223022.009fa290@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Demi: It was wonderful reading your book, especially since we seemed to be writing on the same theme! Mine was just a short story, though:) I am especially glad because of your experience and I found it enlightening Thanks, Carolyn cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu >Wow, it's wonderful to be able to write another book on LOISCLA. It's been >a while, but I love it when I can't shut up..! LOL Lucky for the rest of >you, there's always that 'delete' key. ;) > >At 12:46 PM 09/02/99 -0500, Carolyn wrote: >>I don't disagree with you Demi, about lovin' that man, but I have 2 cents >>worth to add to this discussion. >>It may well have been Dean's idea to say the line that way or look at her >>that way, but IMHO, it was filmed that way on purpose and was meant to take >>advantage of an otherwise hidden double entendre type of romantic moment. >>In this case, as in many others, it is the director's (and the film >>editor's) job to make it look that way. > >I don't think you're disagreeing with me Carolyn :) Just extrapolating on >what I'd said. Very definitely the director had to shoot the scene >differently than scripted in order for us to have experienced Clark looking >at Lois (and not the globe). Actually, it didn't even occur to me to >qualify my comment, because I think I probably just made the assumption and >not thought more about it, which I suppose may have been testament to my >having made the post in a rush. (I usually write a novel when it comes to >posting on these kinds of topics!) ;) > >However, I do believe that it was in fact Dean's idea, and not the >director's; Dean who asked for the change, and who got what he asked for >_from_ the director. That's my opinion, in this instance, at least. > >Many times during the run of the series Dean and/or Teri made changes to >their scripting, in small ways creating moments which most FoLCs have come >to adore. Things like Lois cleaning up spilled champagne with her foot in >The Phoenix, or the addition of her "7:01, 7:01.." monologue (the one where >Teri puts her arms around Dean's neck ;) -- things which meant so much in >retrospect, and were definitely the actor's suggestions. > >Ultimately the creative process is accomplished by the contributions of >everyone involved, the director, the actors, the technical crew and >supporting staff, that's a given, I would never dispute that, however the >director changed with almost every episode of the filming of L&C, (which is >normal for most television we see now-a-days) and both Dean and Teri were >adamant that they were the ones who knew their characters best. > >I know it's been mentioned more than once that each of them stood behind >their decisions and choices, whether the director always agreed or not. >(Teri was castigated over that perhaps more often than Dean, however ;) In >any event, Dean and Teri remained constants in that the characters they >created (as actors) were guarded and nurtured by them. They were always >offering artistic suggestions, and were very often consulted with regards >to the scripting of the episodes. :) > ><often, or you are not hired back!) go against one's directors wishes (I >have gotten away with this kind of thing, adding comic touches, during >comic operas) but not on film. TV programs are the product of a team >effort. Perhaps it is because Dean is so good at this very kind of scene >that it ended up appearing that way, even though it is not specified in the >script.>> > >I hold my degree in Theatre and Film, more specifically live performance >direction. ;) To my mind, (I agree with Carolyn that) the collaborative >process is one which is indeed at the heart of all that is Theatre, as it >should be. Television is likewise a collaboration of talented minds, >however, with television, I feel that we're looking at a crankier, somewhat >less "Director-God" oriented medium than the stage is; for the very reason >that directors come and go on most TV series, leaving only the actors and >(some) of the writers and technical staff behind who live and breathe the >series six days a week. > >I have actually posted about this before, so at the risk of sounding >repetitive, I'm going to take and paraphrase some of my own words from >another time. It's been years anyway.. so perhaps no one will remember! >(ulp ;) > >When you direct television many of your greatest concerns are often >nit-picky technicalities which live performance either doesn't see, or has >a tremendous amount more time to iron out. Due to the reactively short >period of time a director is granted to put out a television episode, those >types of concerns often end up taking up more time than s/he would find >themselves able to devote to artistic decisions regarding characterization >(for example). In the end, it truly is the actors who (being on set and in >character day after day, year after year) know and desire control over >those more intimate details in any event. It's a symbiotic relationship >which I think works out for the best most often, as well. ;) > >This is not to say that directors are not creative at all, its *amazing* >the kind of difference you can see between two different people's directing >style, in *any* medium, television being no exception. How a director cuts >the show when its in the can is also an indication of his/her ability. >Details such as how fast the episode appears to move, the angles from which >the shots are taken (as Carolyn mentioned :), the clever ways in which the >master shots are done.. all these and more are the hand of the director at >play. So there *is* room for creativity, but (due to time constraints) not >very much room for the kind of individualistic attention to character >specific artistic decisions which directors can get away with in theatre >and in feature films. TV Directors do offer suggestions to the actors >about those things from time to time, but... it's not the same as it is for >film (And as any director who ever gave Teri Hatcher a character note might >attest to, it's also a potentially life threatening experience ). >The difference in role between a TV and a Film (or Theatre) director is >also the reason why --IMHO-- many actors tend to go on to direct, not so >much for television, as for feature films -- they crave *artistic* control >over things such as characterization and moment-to-moment narrative, things >they've always wished they had 100% of the time in other venues. >Television direction doesn't always grant a director that luxury. ;) > >Back on the subject of changing the focus (or direction) of even one line, >I can never get over how incredible it can be when the object of control or >power in a scene shifts from one person, or object to something/someone >else completely, it can alter the entire scope of a scene, in just the way >I think Dean did when uttered that (now famous) phrase "I've never seen >anything more beautiful in my entire life". (And the globe blushed ;) > >That one tiny difference can mean everything. Something else I mentioned >years ago (and this very much backs up what Carolyn was mentioning >regarding team work on a production, whether for the screen or the stage.:) > I actually saw one particular play, twice, which involved two people who >were having a discussion about the fact that neither one wanted *anything* >to do with the other. Both were simultaneously angry and hurt because >they had broken up with their own respective lovers, (not each other). The >first time I saw the play, they were arguing and very emotionally upset >with one another, as the script suggested for them to be, and then they >left (next scene). > >The next time I saw this same play, done by a different director, and with >a different cast, this very same scene was transformed. While having the >same heated discussion and debate, both were frantically undressing one >another, until, in the end, well, I think you can guess. So *how* lines >are interpreted by the actors and directors (even in TV, just as much as in >any other performance medium) is indeed extremely important. > >Teri (I like using Teri in my examples, she's great at vocally challenging >authority ;) would say in interviews often that she would usually hold her >ground about some blocking detail or some emotion she felt she should keep >-- even when the director wanted it out. She said she did that becayse >Lois was 'her baby', and she felt she knew her best. It's difficult to >hold her at fault for that assumption. I happen to agree with her! :) She >may not have been able to write out major details like...the break up in >Contact, but, even as an actor, she *could* completely change the way >her viewers felt about a scene. Dean had that same ability, and used it >just as well, IMHO. THAT is definitely power. ;) > >Take Care All :) >Demi >(who knows she wrote another book.. I'll apologize later, I'm all out of >ink! ;) >___________________________________________ >Demi aka Demona > >demona@shaw.wave.ca >http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ > >"Free your heart from your mind. > Embrace wonder for one moment without > the need to consider how that wonder > came to be, without the need to justify > if it be real or not." >- Charles de Lint ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:46:33 MST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEBRA GRAY Subject: Re: PROMO: S6, episode 5, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rachel said <> I hear ya Rachel. Mine is in June (on the first day of summer) and got lost in all the frenzy of schoolyear's end activities, when I was a student. Of course I always went to summer school in college, so I never got a break even on my birthday. And even in high school (I went to boarding school 6 hours from home) I worked all summer, so I never got to be at home for my birthday. Anyhow, happy birthday to the birthday folk, and I'll quit ranting! Debra G. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:10:02 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: OT: Any clues... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/99 6:59:07 PM Central Standard Time, debby@SWCP.COM writes: << ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection timed out with vm.ege.edu.tr. Message could not be delivered for 5 days Message will be deleted from queue Reporting-MTA: dns; kitsune.swcp.com Arrival-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 04:49:04 -0700 (MST) >> It means basically what it says, that the transmission timed out. Trearn has an antiquated system in Turkey. There is no one there on the weekends to fix the list if it crashes and so has to be fixed when the Turgut gets back after weekends and holidays. However, since not everyone is receiving this error message, it might only be a few mail servers that are having trouble with Trearn. The easiest and quickest way to find out if you are still subscribed and if LOISCLA is still up and running, is to send the command: QUERY LOISCLA to LISTSERV@vm.ege.edu.tr That command will send you your subscription information. If it takes a looooong time for LISTSERV to reply to that command, then likely it's crashed, or lagged (time delayed). Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you, but I've had the flu for a week. Hopefully things will be back to normal soon. Zoomway@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:16:04 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: OT: birthday month (was re: PROMO: S6,, episode 5,) <> < I hear ya Rachel. Mine is in June (on the first day of summer) and got lost in all the frenzy of schoolyear's end activities, > I think this is probably a case of "the grass is always greener..." I'm not a fan of February birthdays for two reasons. First, (around where I live at least) February is usually a gray, snowy, cold month and by the time it rolls around everyone is sick of the gray, snowy, and cold they thought exciting when it first appeared in November/December. Also, and I guess this only applies to my own birthday (Valentine's Day), but it's probably one of the most hated days of the year. People who don't have a valentine complain about being alone, and people who *do* have a valentine complain about having to shop for a gift. And I usually complain about being born on the most dreaded day of the year One nice (and, yes, Lois and Clark-related :) thing is that two L&C characters (Jimmy- 15th- and Clark- 28th) have February birthdays. :) We know Lois's birthday is either in September or October, but was Perry's birthday ever revealed? In the first season, Perry experienced a mid-life crisis upon turning fifty in Vatman, which aired Marcy 13. Then in TF the Planet staff was celebrating his birthday and that episode aired on March 26. So Perry's birthday is probably in March, but we never got a date, did we? -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:31:53 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: OT: birthday month (was re: PROMO: S6,, episode 5,) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ><month to have a birthday. Mine is in October adn it gets forgotten among all >the back to school hype.>> > >< I hear ya Rachel. Mine is in June (on the first day of summer) and got lost in >all the frenzy of schoolyear's end activities, > > >I think this is probably a case of "the grass is always greener..." I'm not a >fan of February birthdays for two reasons. First, (around where I live at >least) February is usually a gray, snowy, cold month and by the time it rolls >around everyone is sick of the gray, snowy, and cold they thought exciting when >it first appeared in November/December. Also, and I guess this only applies to >my own birthday (Valentine's Day), but it's probably one of the most hated days >of the year. People who don't have a valentine complain about being alone, and >people who *do* have a valentine complain about having to shop for a gift. And >I usually complain about being born on the most dreaded day of the year > >-Christy LOL! You guys should try 7th January - most people tend to forget it in the midst of the post-Christmas daze. If I had a pound for every belated birthday card I got from my absent minded brother...... Mind you, by this point in time, forgetting it's probably no bad thing. :D LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:42:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Donna Burton Subject: Re: OT: birthday month (was re: PROMO: S6,, episode 5,) Perry had his bridge jump noted on his desk calendar. I believe that was on the day of his birthday. Was the date visible? I don't recall. That's where Jimmy spots it and jumps to the wrong conclusion but I don't know if the shot included the pertinent info. Donna in Schenectady burtond@union.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:10:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: OT: Any clues... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:10 PM 2/10/1999 -0500, Zoomway wrote: [snip] >The easiest and quickest way to find out if you are still subscribed and if >LOISCLA is still up and running, is to send the command: > >QUERY LOISCLA > >to > >LISTSERV@vm.ege.edu.tr I've done this. It has yet to inform me that it's been 5 days yet... This has been going on for at least 2 weeks now. Fortunately, I'm still getting mail and it's good reading : >That command will send you your subscription information. If it takes a >looooong time for LISTSERV to reply to that command, then likely it's crashed, >or lagged (time delayed). > >Sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you, but I've had the flu for a >week. Hopefully things will be back to normal soon. We all hope you are feeling better soon. If it's the flu I had early this winter, it's a doozy. >Zoomway@aol.com Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:16:09 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: OT: Any clues... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:47 PM 2/10/1999 -0500, Carolyn S (for Super) wrote: >Hi Debby: > >Just wanted to thank you for thinking so highly of my efforts:) > >You made my day! She's worth it, isn't she, readers? Let's have a round of applause for someone I'd vote for for "L&C Fan of the Year" for the great, detailed posts she shares with us. If fanfic writers aren't getting ideas from her... it isn't *her* fault, eh? Applause! Applause! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:22:06 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Liz *<:o)" Subject: Re: a small addition to my unfinished fic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hiya ;) Does anyone have the portions before this one? I remember reading them and saying they were good but I can't remember what it was about :( Thanks ;) Liz ICQ # 23588950 - add me :) SilvrBrwn on IRC SilvrBrwne on AIM - add me :o) Join my LnC list at: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/lnctnaos My LnC site at: http://members.aol.com/SilvrBrwne/page1/index.htm (It's still under construction!) "We are all blinded by that one great love that changes us forever." ~H.G.Wells "Don't let the door hit your @$$ on the way out of my life!" ~ Rita from Silk Stalkings "It's not the years that count, its the moments. Right now,as they happens." ~Clark ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:40:51 -0500 Reply-To: nsa105@psu.edu Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nethra Ankam Subject: out of curiosity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With all this talk of birthdays, I was wondering if Lois' birthday was ever revealed on the show. For some reason, I have this impression in my mind that Lois had a surprise b-day party or turned down a surprise b-day party....but I can't rememeber the ep, which makes me think I'm thinking of a fanfic....what was my question again? :) Thanks, Nethra who thanks all the people out there who write novels, books, opuses, and short stories ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:27:06 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: out of curiosity Comments: To: nsa105@psu.edu In-Reply-To: <36C26D62.370C5D2B@psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:40 AM -0500 2/11/99, Nethra Ankam wrote: >With all this talk of birthdays, I was wondering if Lois' birthday was >ever revealed on the show. We never learned her birthday, but in the episode Contact, we find out she's a Libra, which puts her birthday somewhere from mid-Sept to mid-Oct. For some reason, I have this impression in >my mind that Lois had a surprise b-day party or turned down a surprise >b-day party....but I can't rememeber the ep, which makes me think I'm >thinking of a fanfic....what was my question again? :) You are thinking of a fanfic. :) Not sure which one (I think there have been several that did Lois's birthday), but it was never on the show. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:58:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nethra Ankam Subject: Re: out of curiosity Comments: To: Kathy Brown In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Kathy- At 12:27 AM 2/11/99 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote: >At 12:40 AM -0500 2/11/99, Nethra Ankam wrote: >>With all this talk of birthdays, I was wondering if Lois' birthday was >>ever revealed on the show. > >We never learned her birthday, but in the episode Contact, we find out >she's a Libra, which puts her birthday somewhere from mid-Sept to mid-Oct. > Thanks for the info! It would have been cool if there was an ep with her birthday though...but then her birthday would have to be in the beginning of a season...I wonder if it was her birthday when Ching and Clark were tearing up her apartment and she was making fudge and popcorn :) > For some reason, I have this impression in >>my mind that Lois had a surprise b-day party or turned down a surprise >>b-day party....but I can't rememeber the ep, which makes me think I'm >>thinking of a fanfic....what was my question again? :) > >You are thinking of a fanfic. :) Not sure which one (I think there have >been several that did Lois's birthday), but it was never on the show. > See, here's the thing...some of the fanfic I have read about Lois' birthday seem to refer back to the show. And when I read the story, it drives me crazy thinking I'm missing something. The one thing that comes to mind is Lois saying she didn't want a surprise party for her birthday and worrying that she wouldn't get one this year because she complained last year or somthing like that. Unless instead of refering back to an ep, the fanfic writer is refering back to another fanfic or the "general fanfic reality" which could be true esp. with over 900 stories! When I find an example of a specific story, I'll get back to you... oh, by general fanfic reality I mean stuff like Clark listening for Lois' heartbeat...is there an official term for stuff like that? Nethra who thinks there should be some kind of celebration when the archive reaches 1000 stories (just because it ventures into the 4 digits)...wonder who will write the 1000th story? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:21:49 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: out of curiosity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ->At 12:27 AM 2/11/99 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote: >>At 12:40 AM -0500 2/11/99, Nethra Ankam wrote: >See, here's the thing...some of the fanfic I have read about Lois' birthday >seem to refer back to the show. And when I read the story, it drives me >crazy thinking I'm missing something. The one thing that comes to mind is >Lois saying she didn't want a surprise party for her birthday and worrying >that she wouldn't get one this year because she complained last year or >somthing like that. Unless instead of refering back to an ep, the fanfic >writer is refering back to another fanfic or the "general fanfic reality" >which could be true esp. with over 900 stories! When I find an example of >a specific story, I'll get back to you... Well, Lois (and Clark) celebrated her birthday in style of course in The Gorn's Going, Going, Gone......but that's nfic not archive. I know the fanfic you're referring to.....for some reason I have the thought that it might be in Debby's 'Dawning' but I could be wrong. You wrote (are writing) such an epic, Debby, that these days I tend to automatically think *everything* I recall about fanfic is in 'Dawning'. > >oh, by general fanfic reality I mean stuff like Clark listening for Lois' >heartbeat...is there an official term for stuff like that? Fan lore? That's certainly what we used to call it in every other fandom I've known. But, you know, we FoLCs tend to have our own sense of style, so maybe someone's coined another phrase for it. Probably an ancroynm too. ;) > >Nethra >who thinks there should be some kind of celebration when the archive >reaches 1000 stories (just because it ventures into the 4 digits)...wonder >who will write the 1000th story? Right on. I was thinking that myself when I downloaded the latest batch the other day. Now *there's* an incentive to finish off the nfic version of my epic, Caped Fear, and produce a PG copy if ever I heard one. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:16:15 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Ernst Subject: the Ultra Survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi everyone Last night was one of those nights when I could not sleep, so I, of course, thought about Lois and Clark. (I'm sure some of you are familiar with this situation). Anyway, I tried to decide what my favorite episode is. It was quite a competition between the funny ones, the waffy ones, the action-packed ones, and the plot-oriented ones. I was wondering if there has ever been a poll or survey of everyone's favorite episode? Is there a website or an archive or any type of list of different people's favorite episodes (and why)? Or are you guys interested in conducting an informal survey now? I'm just curious about why fans choose certain episodes over others as favorites. As for me, I think "Ultra Woman" won as my personal favorite. I choose UW because I love the fact that Lois finally learns what Clark's life as Superman is like. Also, they move beyond the dumb "let's forget the M-word and just concentrate on being in love" phase. The engagement ring is finally put to a good purpose, by signifying L & C's committment when they finally decide to be honest with each other about their true feelings. And, who can forget that great joke about Clark preferring briefs over boxers! I guess the word "finally" was used so many times in this discussion of Ultra Woman because I believe the episode was the culmination of all the struggles and tension and falling in love that Lois and Clark went through the first two seasons. So, that's my analysis. What do other people think? I'm curious as to why FoLCs might like other eps. Let's face it -- I know there are too many good ones to choose from, but I'm sure every fan has one ep in mind that defines the reality of Lois and Clark. Anyone want to enlighten me? yours in FoLCness, (Sherrif) Rachel _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:37:05 -0500 Reply-To: bird@sentex.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Bird & I Company Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Rachel, While I do like Ultrawoman, my favourite episode is Ordinary People for in that episode, Lois came to accept Clark as who he is, both Clark Kent and Superman. To me that's the episode when the relationship between L&C was established. Where they accept each other as who they are and the words "being with you is stronger than me alone" was said by Clark. Of course I didn't much like Contact .....after Ordinary people it surely couldn't have happened! Sue > > Hi everyone > > Last night was one of those nights when I could not sleep, so I, of > course, thought about Lois and Clark. (I'm sure some of you are > familiar with this situation). Anyway, I tried to decide what my > favorite episode is. It was quite a competition between the funny > ones, the waffy ones, the action-packed ones, and the plot-oriented > ones. I was wondering if there has ever been a poll or survey of > everyone's favorite episode? Is there a website or an archive or any > type of list of different people's favorite episodes (and why)? Or > are you guys interested in conducting an informal survey now? I'm > just curious about why fans choose certain episodes over others as > favorites. > > As for me, I think "Ultra Woman" won as my personal favorite. I > choose UW because I love the fact that Lois finally learns what > Clark's life as Superman is like. Also, they move beyond the dumb > "let's forget the M-word and just concentrate on being in love" phase. > The engagement ring is finally put to a good purpose, by signifying L > & C's committment when they finally decide to be honest with each > other about their true feelings. And, who can forget that great joke > about Clark preferring briefs over boxers! I guess the word "finally" > was used so many times in this discussion of Ultra Woman because I > believe the episode was the culmination of all the struggles and > tension and falling in love that Lois and Clark went through the first > two seasons. > > So, that's my analysis. What do other people think? I'm curious as > to why FoLCs might like other eps. Let's face it -- I know there are > too many good ones to choose from, but I'm sure every fan has one ep > in mind that defines the reality of Lois and Clark. Anyone want to > enlighten me? > > yours in FoLCness, > (Sherrif) Rachel > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:15:37 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Simmonds Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Rachel wrote: >As for me, I think "Ultra Woman" won as my personal favorite. I >choose UW because I love the fact that Lois finally learns what >Clark's life as Superman is like. Also, they move beyond the dumb >"let's forget the M-word and just concentrate on being in love" phase. > The engagement ring is finally put to a good purpose, by signifying L >& C's committment when they finally decide to be honest with each >other about their true feelings. And, who can forget that great joke >about Clark preferring briefs over boxers! I guess the word "finally" >was used so many times in this discussion of Ultra Woman because I >believe the episode was the culmination of all the struggles and >tension and falling in love that Lois and Clark went through the first >two seasons. Hey everyone!! I think that my favorite episodes were the soulmates and the ulternate episodes. I thought that they were good and they gave the actors a different views on their characters. That just MHO. Talk to ya lator!! Anne Simmonds ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:36:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Carolyn Schnall Subject: Re: OT: Any clues... In-Reply-To: <4.0.2.19990210181428.009191e0@swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My Goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel greatly honored!! (She blushes, she hears the applause, she bows deeply, extremely moved!) Not only did you make my day, today, but I think it will hold me for a very long time.! My thanks to the billionth power:) Carolyn > ###################################################### > WARNING! THIS MAIL SENT BY AN UNVERIFIED USER! > READER BEWARE!!! > ###################################################### > >At 03:47 PM 2/10/1999 -0500, Carolyn S (for Super) wrote: >>Hi Debby: >> >>Just wanted to thank you for thinking so highly of my efforts:) >> >>You made my day! > >She's worth it, isn't she, readers? Let's have a round of applause for >someone I'd vote for for "L&C Fan of the Year" for the great, detailed >posts she shares with us. If fanfic writers aren't getting ideas from >her... it isn't *her* fault, eh? > >Applause! Applause! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:24:46 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Okay, I'm very new to all this stuff, so pardon me please. I just thought I'd say that in the beginning. I have questions and my usual source is not on this continent at the moment. Where are all these places where other fanfic is? I don't know, because I'm new and I'd love to find out. I noticed that there are a lot of people that are FoLC. I feel much better now. I don't know any personally. College does not seem to be breeding ground for them. I decided to try my hand at fanfic, but they found out and now I'm the subject of odd looks. I'm wondering if anyone else has ever experienced this. Superman is not a popular thing here. 'Nother question. How long does it take for a fanfic to get through the system? I know that because of the Kerths this is slower, but I was just wondering. One final question. This is for another fanfic that I'm trying despite the odd looks. Is there anyway that I could keep Superman grounded (as in another place besides Metropolis) without making him sick or exposing him to Kryptonite? Finally, you're sick of me now aren't you, I just want to tell everybody out there who writes stuff that I love it and that it finaly got me to do what I never thought I could. Namely, but my stuff down on paper. Thanks. Rachel (another one, do I need a new name?) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:04:28 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: FoLC Lore (was Re: out of curiosity) Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> Fan lore? That's certainly what we used to call it in every other fand= om I've known. But, you know, we FoLCs tend to have our own sense of style, = so maybe someone's coined another phrase for it. Probably an ancroynm too. ;= ) << It seems perfectly obvious to me ... FOLC lore Good 'n' punny... It'd be interesting to see a list of these generally-agreed upon things (= or at least things that more than one author has used) ... let's see, we've got Clark listening for Lois' heartbeat ... them having a son named CJ ..= . I know there's more. What else? PJ who agrees with Nethra, we need a party when the archive hits 1000 :-) !^NavFont02F01FE000FMGJHGB9MGBBHHFF0F55 Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com) ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ It's KERTH time! Read all about it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html ~~~~~ Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ (I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could ) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:46:09 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: out of curiosity In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19990211015827.319fb3fc@email.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:58 AM -0500 2/11/99, Nethra Ankam wrote: > The one thing that comes to mind is >Lois saying she didn't want a surprise party for her birthday and worrying >that she wouldn't get one this year because she complained last year or >somthing like that. Unless instead of refering back to an ep, the fanfic >writer is refering back to another fanfic or the "general fanfic reality" >which could be true esp. with over 900 stories! When I find an example of >a specific story, I'll get back to you... I can't cite a chapter number, but I know that Debby Stark has mentioned Lois's birthday several times in her Dawning series. So, if that's one you are thinking of, there's definite a "fanfic reality". That universe has been in development as long as the show itself. :) (And I have no idea how Debby keeps her own canon straight -- FoLCs sometimes complain about show's continuity and say the writers should keep a "bible" to refer back to. But think about how much work that would be for a single fanfic writer whose series is thousands and thousands of pages long! Very impressive that she isn't contradicting herself left and right.) >Nethra >who thinks there should be some kind of celebration when the archive >reaches 1000 stories (just because it ventures into the 4 digits)...wonder >who will write the 1000th story? LOL, good idea. We'll have to have some big flashy sign on the front page or something. Hmm, I wonder how close we will be on Kerth night, March 27. Maybe if we get to 999 in mid-March, we can hold off on the additional story until then. Interestingly, I've had people attach a note to a submitted story, "can you make sure this one is number 900" or whatever. Unfortunately, I have to reply with a no-can-do. For one, once we let one person do it, we'd have to let everyone do it but most importantly, we have no idea how many stories are going to come in during a given week. If we uploaded one story at a time and numbered them, we could finagle, but I don't know how many stories will be in a weekend upload until I do the assigments earlier that week. :) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:51:34 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: FoLC Lore In-Reply-To: <199902111504_MC2-6A28-BB98@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 3:04 PM -0500 2/11/99, Pam Jernigan wrote: >let's see, we've >got Clark listening for Lois' heartbeat ... them having a son named CJ ... Lois calling Clark "flyboy" to contrast with "farmboy". (Actually, Farmboy could count, too, since she only uses it once on the show, but boy did it stick for fanfic. ) Oh, thought of another ... if they have a girl, her name is usually either Laney, Martha or Lara. ;) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:07:49 -0500 Reply-To: nsa105@psu.edu Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nethra Ankam Subject: Fanfic Lore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pam Jernigan wrote: > >It'd be interesting to see a list of these generally-agreed upon things (or > >at least things that more than one author has used) ... let's see, we've > >got Clark listening for Lois' heartbeat ... them having a son named CJ ... > >I know there's more. What else? > Thinking, thinking.........what about the fact that Lois named the bear Clark won for her in GGGOH "Clarkie." And there are also FoLC favorites...lines that fanfic writers keep using, though they were used once or twice on the show...like "Don't fall for me farmboy" or the Cheese of the Month club excuse. I don't know what else...but this is the stuff I like about fanfic...you wonderful writers out there create and extend the Lois and Clark Universe until it is "realer" than real... Nethra (a lurker who recently got a surge of courage to post messages...but it'll probably go away soon :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:12:55 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Susan VanCott Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Places for other fanfic... let me think. There's a really great reference site at http://members.aol.com/KSNicholas/fanfic/ and people's personal fanfic sites are here: http://members.aol.com/beth012400/fanfic.htm ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark/Stories/ also Zoomway's place, http://acreativetouch.simplenet.com/zoomway/ That's all for now. You should be able to get some more through the reference site. And oh, yeah, I'm a real freak around here. Nobody but me likes Superman. :) Not much, anyway. You're not alone. For a fanfic to go through the system, it takes a week or two if it's short, and for a really long one, sometimes up to a month. A way to keep Superman grounded would be to have him... hmm. That's a hard one. What if he was trapped with a lot of people, surrounded at all times, and didn't want to give away his secret? What if there were a lot of... oh, police or something around, who always flew helicopters, and he didn't want them to see "Superman" in their area? (okay, that was reaching a little bit) Kryptonite has always been good enough for me! Oh, wait, there was one thing-- in Lethal Weapon, (the episode, not the movie), he lost his powers when they went out of control due to red kryptonite. It affects him differently every time, so you could make something up there without hurting him. Gold Kryptonite takes his powers away completely, forever. I forget what all the other colors do. (There's blue, green, gold, jewel, and red) I never even knew what jewel Kryptonite did. I think it was a plot device used only once in the silver age of the comic books. Well, I'm off to Italy!!!!!!!!! Ciao! Peace, Love, and Superman, ~~>Susan<~~ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:14:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: FoLC Lore Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> Lois calling Clark "flyboy" to contrast with "farmboy". (Actually, Farmboy could count, too, since she only uses it once on the show, but boy did it= stick for fanfic. ) << Good one, yeah... and there are innumerable references to Lois babbling (like a brook, of course); I don't think it was played up quite that much= on the show. There for a while, anyway, there was a trend to refer to the Superman costume as "the Suit" with the capital S, no matter where in the sentence= it was... and we sure picked up on the ~-> hand signal for flying that th= ey used in OP... Oh, and lots of people (me included ) have had L&C relax= by watching "The Princess Bride" -- either because a lot of us like that movie, or more likely because Dean mentioned it as a favorite. And of course, as Kathy's other post points out, Debby and Dawning have a= lore all of their own with cupcakes and slime monsters and Superman's= agent, oh my... PJ !^NavFont02F02F6000FMGJHG91MG93HIF782E5 Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com) ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ It's KERTH time! Read all about it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html ~~~~~ Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ (I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could ) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:25:08 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown In-Reply-To: <19990211192446.399.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Last post for today, I promise ... well, at least for this afternoon. At 11:24 AM -0800 2/11/99, Rachel TenHaaf wrote: >I have questions and my usual source is not on this continent at the >moment. Where are all these places where other fanfic is? I don't know, >because I'm new and I'd love to find out. Welcome Rachel. This is the place to ask. We are the experts on all things fanfic. ;) The largest source for L&C fanfic is the "Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive". The URL is . We have over 900 stories there, with more being added every week. If you are new to fanfic reading, it can be kind of overwhelming to visit the archive for the first time. Where do you start? Fortunately, I have some suggestions. :) >From the front page, follow the link to "Theme". We have listed selected stories under various categories (Revelations, Action, In Love, etc.). This list is by no means exhaustive, but it gives you a place to start. Under the Themes page, I especially recommend you look at last year's Fanfic Kerth winners/nominees. These stories especially are particularly outstanding fanfic, as voted on by the fans. :) >I noticed that there are a lot of people that are FoLC. I feel much >better now. I don't know any personally. College does not seem to be >breeding ground for them. I decided to try my hand at fanfic, but they >found out and now I'm the subject of odd looks. I'm wondering if anyone >else has ever experienced this. Superman is not a popular thing here. We have many college-age FoLCs, but you aren't alone if your feeling that you were all alone -- many of us thought the same thing until we found this listserv, IRC, etc. Don't worry about converting your friends. Just get your L&C fix through us and ignore the odd looks. ;) >'Nother question. How long does it take for a fanfic to get through the >system? I know that because of the Kerths this is slower, but I was just >wondering. You lost me, Rachel. Things are slower because of the Kerths? How long it takes a fanfic to get through the system depends on how you distribute it. If you post it to this fanfic listserv or put it up on your own website, it's up as soon as you post it. If you submit a story to the L&C Fanfic Archive, it usually takes anywhere >from 1-3 weeks to see it uploaded. Once submitted, a story is assigned to an editor on staff who reviews it for typos, etc. Authors approve all changes. Once a story is finalized, it is sent to be uploaded. Assignments are done on Monday, with uploads being completed the following Sunday. Somethings things cause delays, like busy schedules (of the writer, editor or the EIC!) or computer problems, but all in all, we try to get stories up 1-3 weeks after submission. Did I cover all your questions? Let me know if you need any other info! Don't worry about asking. That's what we're here for. :) Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kathyb@springnet1.com KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:10:02 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joshua Phelps Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that Ultra Woman is also my favorite episode... from the moment the Newtrich (spelling?) sisters blast Superman and Lois to the final kiss of the episode, it was an absolute classic!! I think my favorite scene of the ep is when Clark gets his powers back and he and Lois kiss each in their uniforms and Clark floats them both up in the air... :c) teeheehee Josh -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Ernst To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:24 AM Subject: the Ultra Survey >Hi everyone > >Last night was one of those nights when I could not sleep, so I, of >course, thought about Lois and Clark. (I'm sure some of you are >familiar with this situation). Anyway, I tried to decide what my >favorite episode is. It was quite a competition between the funny >ones, the waffy ones, the action-packed ones, and the plot-oriented >ones. I was wondering if there has ever been a poll or survey of >everyone's favorite episode? Is there a website or an archive or any >type of list of different people's favorite episodes (and why)? Or >are you guys interested in conducting an informal survey now? I'm >just curious about why fans choose certain episodes over others as >favorites. > >As for me, I think "Ultra Woman" won as my personal favorite. I >choose UW because I love the fact that Lois finally learns what >Clark's life as Superman is like. Also, they move beyond the dumb >"let's forget the M-word and just concentrate on being in love" phase. > The engagement ring is finally put to a good purpose, by signifying L >& C's committment when they finally decide to be honest with each >other about their true feelings. And, who can forget that great joke >about Clark preferring briefs over boxers! I guess the word "finally" >was used so many times in this discussion of Ultra Woman because I >believe the episode was the culmination of all the struggles and >tension and falling in love that Lois and Clark went through the first >two seasons. > >So, that's my analysis. What do other people think? I'm curious as >to why FoLCs might like other eps. Let's face it -- I know there are >too many good ones to choose from, but I'm sure every fan has one ep >in mind that defines the reality of Lois and Clark. Anyone want to >enlighten me? > >yours in FoLCness, >(Sherrif) Rachel > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:21:47 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mandy Crustner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Oh, wait, there was one >thing-- in Lethal Weapon, (the episode, not the movie), he lost his powers >when they went out of control due to red kryptonite. It affects him >differently every time, so you could make something up there without hurting >him. Gold Kryptonite takes his powers away completely, forever. I forget >what all the other colors do. (There's blue, green, gold, jewel, and red) I >never even knew what jewel Kryptonite did. I think it was a plot device used >only once in the silver age of the comic books. I even came up with Purple Kryptonite named Ultra K that could duplicate Superman's powers in another person in my story "When Separate Worlds Collide" :) I'm all for coming up with unique stuff for the Superman mythos when possible :) Mandy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:47:10 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "K.M. de Castro" Subject: Re: question about possible fanfic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-07 22:51:42 EST, you write: << While catching up on my fanfic I began to wonder something. I was wondering if there were any fanfics out there about Clark sleepwalking. Or since he is Superman maybe sleepflying? Just wondering! I'll probably post later about something more interesting. Eilonwy >> Eeeeww.... what a cool premise for a story... Supes sleepflies to Lois' open window and lets his sub-concious take over... Marie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:10:38 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "K.M. de Castro" Subject: Grounding Superman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rachel T. wrote: You could ground him because of someone else (selfless individual that he is...), and not because he's sick, etc. You could use an SPF 1,000,000 sunscreen all over his body to reduce his sun- regeneration capabilites... ...(any chance to touch the guy... I'm shameless). Just kidding. Welcome to the list. Marie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:31:02 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Fanfic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If this hasn't already been mentioned, Erin Klinger has a very comprehensive listing of fanfic sites at her website: http://www.rz.tu-ilmenau.de/~wi019/LCFanfiction.html I hope that copied ok..... if not, try getting to it through her homepage: http://www.ida.net/users/davek/ Kate ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:52:07 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "K.M. de Castro" Subject: Re: out of curiosity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Nethra wrote: Sooooo... Should we have a contest to see? Can we get in Fanfic1K before Y2K? Tune in to your local archive and find out! Marie (I'll take the my fee for the free plug in Dean jpg's, if you don't mind) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:29:01 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melissa Day Hall In-Reply-To: <19990211192446.399.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >One final question. This is for another fanfic that I'm trying despite >the odd looks. Is there anyway that I could keep Superman grounded (as >in another place besides Metropolis) without making him sick or exposing >him to Kryptonite? Look at it from another direction- if he's not sick (and I'll lump Kryptonite poisoning in with sick), then what would make Clark stay on the ground? A good example is most of Fly Hard- he can't fly, etc, because he's handcuffed to Jack or under the watchful eye of his officemates and those pesky terrorists. Anytime that his powers might reveal him as Superman, Clark would choose either not to use them, or to use them only with subterfuge. So stick a tail on Clark- have a spy/another reporter/honest citizen/generic bad guy keep an obvious eye on Clark, and make it virtually impossible to do super-feats as Clark. Now, if you're talking about keeping Superman (blue tights and all) grounded, that's a whole 'nother ballgame. Blackmail might work, but not for long. CK's a clever guy (sometimes dumb as a post when it comes to noticing how women come on to him, but I digress), he should be able to figure a way out. How this little brain cloud helped. :) Misha (mhall@sound.net) - - - - - "Writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank piece of paper until drops of blood form on your forehead." -- Gene Fowler ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:48:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: Grounding Superman In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:10 PM 2/11/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Rachel T. wrote: >the odd looks. Is there anyway that I could keep Superman grounded (as >in another place besides Metropolis) without making him sick or exposing >him to Kryptonite?> Perhaps someone swears to detonate bombs all over the city (this happens frequently, doesn't it?) if Superman is spotted in the air. The bomber blames the depletion of the ozone later on Superman's habit (or so the bomber says) of eating too much spicy food... Little does he know that Superman does have a little probelm with Lois's cooking...! Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:03:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: out of curiosity (Lois's Birthday) In-Reply-To: <009501be55b9$cf74c680$603470c2@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:21 PM 2/11/1999 +0000, Labrat wrote: >->At 12:27 AM 2/11/99 -0600, Kathy Brown wrote: >>>At 12:40 AM -0500 2/11/99, Nethra Ankam wrote: > > >>...The one thing that comes to mind is >>Lois saying she didn't want a surprise party for her birthday and ... > > >....for some reason I have the thought that it >might be in Debby's 'Dawning' but I could be wrong. You wrote (are writing) >such an epic, Debby, that these days I tend to automatically think >*everything* I recall about fanfic is in 'Dawning'. :D Thanks! I've grown bored with it for the time being but am writing something equally challenging yet entirely different I'll post part of eventually. Given (by the show) Lois's Libra status, I chose the excellent date of October 18 for her birthday. >>oh, by general fanfic reality I mean stuff like Clark listening for Lois' >>heartbeat...is there an official term for stuff like that? WAFFy ears (Wow--Audible? Fellow Fixates!) Debby :) Debby@swcp.com ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark Stories ...wishing Clinton had just said "It's none of your bees wax" back when the Grand Jury asked those crucial questions... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:53:55 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melissa Day Hall In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >How this little brain cloud helped. :) Hope! I meant hope! Dang! Just goes to show you that typos are not always caught by the spell-checker ;) Misha ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:46:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: the Ultra Survey Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey, list :-) I agree, Ultra Woman is a great episode (tho I hate to see my poor Clark get his butt kicked!) with many great kisses ... there's the "whoa" kiss,= the alley kiss (my fave!), the spandex kiss... But for an all-time favorite episode I have to hold out for Tempus Fugitive. First, it's the episode that hooked me into FOLCdom, by showin= g me that Lois was actually getting interested in *Clark* (I'd seen a few early 2nd season eps but nothing since TEHI). Second, it's a rip-off, er= r, tribute to Back to the Future, one of my all-time favorite movies, an= d third (and most importantly), it's hysterically funny. The plot is paper-thin and some of the details are off (Clark never pretended not to be able to handle a peanut butter jar) but the "hello, duh!" scene still has me rolling on the floor every time, as my local FOL= C friends can tell you There's just great dialog all the way through. = Later Tempus eps rate high on my personal scale, too. PJ !^NavFont02F03180006MGHHJa4012 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:25:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Ernst Subject: Re: PJ (Tempus Fugitive) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for your input PJ I love being reminded of good episodes I've stored in the back of my mind. Tempus Fugitive IS one of the best, and I'll admit, Tempus remains my favorite recurring character throughout the entire run of L&C. My all time favorite quotation from ANY ep is when Tempus says, in his deadpan voice, "Ah Lois, ever the funster, stop my sides are splitting" (it's in one of the John Doe episodes of the 4th season -- don't know which one because I avoid watching that arch). Anyway, thanks for reminding me that there is more to life and FoLCdom than Ultra Woman. Rachel _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:12:18 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Juli E. Hale" Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All! I just had to put my two cents worth in on the topic of favorite episodes. My personal fave is "And the Answer Is..." because we get to see Lois take a huge risk for Clark. Clark/Supes is always saving Lois, but this is one of the few instances that Superman cannot save the day without Lois. It is the definitive I-choose-Clark-not-Superman-episode. Also, the mushy "...tell Clark I love him" makes my heart melt. :-). Juli JuliHale@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:30:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Karen Ward Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey In-Reply-To: <19990211171615.19280.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >What do other people think? I'm curious as to why FoLCs might like other eps. Well, I can't say as I really know why, per se, but I think AKA Superman would have to be my favourite ep. It's certainly my most watched ep -- I've nearly worn out it's section of the video tape so it's a good thing I recently rerecorded it. ;) Anyhow, I was never very fond of its A-Plot, which was dominated by yet another campy villain. However, Lois diving under the table after her chopsticks at the restaurant (and Clark subsequently taking away her silverware), Penny and Lois tied together and fumbling around with their hands behind their backs, Jimmy being a 97% match for Superman . . . all these things contributed to make this episode one of the most enjoyable performances I've seen from any televsion cast! The clincher, however, was the adorably frustrating final scene when Perry and Jimmy, accompanied by a houseful of people I'm sure neither Lois nor Clark recognized, interrupted their long anticipated . . . er . . . time alone together. ;) Anyone else love this ep as much as I do? Yours, Karen :) who would have to say that TF and OP come a very close second to AKAS for her :) "Is that lipstick?" -LL in AKAS ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:21:46 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:30 AM -0500 2/12/99, Karen Ward wrote: >Well, I can't say as I really know why, per se, but I think AKA Superman >would have to be my favourite ep. >Anyone else love this ep as much as I do? When I talked with Tim Minear on IRC after the episode aired, I told him that the "chopsticks" scene was arguably the best single scene of the entire show's run. It was fast paced, hilarious, superbly acted, plotted and directed ... the director picked the perfect take to include. Considering Tim stayed up all night writing the scene -- and Dean and Teri filmed it at 3 am when they were punch-drunk from the late night -- it was pure genius, on all sides. Since I'm on the subject, here are some of my favorites: S2 -- That Old Gang Of Mine, Season's Greedings, Whine Whine Whine, And The Answer Is S3 -- Virtually Destroyed, Ultra Woman, Big Girls Don't Fly S4 -- Brutal Youth, AKA Superman You'll notice I didn't include any in S1. There are some great episodes, obviously -- GGGoH, Witness, HiM -- but I've found that I don't enjoy watching them as much as I did before S4. A little of the "Will they or won't they" is always fun, but once they got married ... S1 is just not quite as satisfying for me anymore. It's not that I dislike S1, but there aren't any episodes that give me that big smile on my face afterwards anymore (except maybe Witness, but that feels like an early S2 episode to me, anyway. :)) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:41:10 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Lynda D. Love" Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rachel asked: > I was wondering if there has ever been a poll or survey of >everyone's favorite episode? Is there a website or an archive or any >type of list of different people's favorite episodes (and why)? Or >are you guys interested in conducting an informal survey now? I'm >just curious about why fans choose certain episodes over others as >favorites. There was two surveys that I can think of. One was in 1995 and one in 1996. I don't know if the people who did them are still around or not. (I know for certain that many of the FOLC who tabulated these two surveys are no longer here. :-( I don't know if anyone still has access to those results. Personally, my favorite episode is Whine, Whine, Whine. I call it the 'onion episode' because of its many layers. In all the years of watching, I still catch new things each time I watch the episode. I love WWW for so many reasons: the wry observations on lawyers and the justice system, Martin Mull's nature programs, Jimmy and Perry, Dr. Friskin, 'Batman' (Adam West) , Clark finally being confronted with how Lois really feels about him--and what is he going to do about it, and Lois, Lois, Lois! Hmm, better get out that video tape this weekend. Other faves: the Pilot GGGoH Brutal Youth (one *amazing* ep--go Tim Minear!!) Back to lurk mode. :-) Lynda Lynda D. Love (Rxiris@aol.com) --One of the worst mistakes you can make as a gardener is to think you're in charge. -Janet Gillespie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:43:50 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tanya Walsh Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain OK - Just to totally contradict everybody.. I didn't really like ultrawoman. It was the best episode from the 3rd season but I didn't really like the 3rd season =) My faves were "The Green Green Glow of HOme" cause it reallly started developing L&C's friendship, and the "crossdresser" and "fax" scenes between Martha, Johnathon and Lois were probably the funniest in the entire course of the show =) I loved the shooting scene at the end ! And also I loved That Old Gang of Mine. The best scene EVER in Lois and Clark (IMHO) was the scene when Perry (thinking clark was dead) toasted him to the newsroom, and I loved the scene when Clark got shot and the ending !!! =) I've been noticing that EVERYBODY loves the 3rd and 4th season and L&C been together. I didnt' even get to SEE the 4th season (it was cancelled here) but the 1st and 2nd will always be my favourite. Does anybody else share the same opinion as me ? Or am I the least WAFF appreciative person ever ? =) Thanks. Love Tanya >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > >I agree that Ultra Woman is also my favorite episode... from the moment the >Newtrich (spelling?) sisters blast Superman and Lois to the final kiss of >the episode, it was an absolute classic!! > >I think my favorite scene of the ep is when Clark gets his powers back and >he and Lois kiss each in their uniforms and Clark floats them both up in the >air... :c) teeheehee > >Josh > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rachel Ernst >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > >Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:24 AM >Subject: the Ultra Survey > > >>Hi everyone >> >>Last night was one of those nights when I could not sleep, so I, of >>course, thought about Lois and Clark. (I'm sure some of you are >>familiar with this situation). Anyway, I tried to decide what my >>favorite episode is. It was quite a competition between the funny >>ones, the waffy ones, the action-packed ones, and the plot-oriented >>ones. I was wondering if there has ever been a poll or survey of >>everyone's favorite episode? Is there a website or an archive or any >>type of list of different people's favorite episodes (and why)? Or >>are you guys interested in conducting an informal survey now? I'm >>just curious about why fans choose certain episodes over others as >>favorites. >> >>As for me, I think "Ultra Woman" won as my personal favorite. I >>choose UW because I love the fact that Lois finally learns what >>Clark's life as Superman is like. Also, they move beyond the dumb >>"let's forget the M-word and just concentrate on being in love" phase. >> The engagement ring is finally put to a good purpose, by signifying L >>& C's committment when they finally decide to be honest with each >>other about their true feelings. And, who can forget that great joke >>about Clark preferring briefs over boxers! I guess the word "finally" >>was used so many times in this discussion of Ultra Woman because I >>believe the episode was the culmination of all the struggles and >>tension and falling in love that Lois and Clark went through the first >>two seasons. >> >>So, that's my analysis. What do other people think? I'm curious as >>to why FoLCs might like other eps. Let's face it -- I know there are >>too many good ones to choose from, but I'm sure every fan has one ep >>in mind that defines the reality of Lois and Clark. Anyone want to >>enlighten me? >> >>yours in FoLCness, >>(Sherrif) Rachel >> >> >>_________________________________________________________ >>DO YOU YAHOO!? >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:06:22 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Site Problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry if you got this twice, but since I house Fanfic I wanted to pass this along to ya'll ... I just wanted to pass along that my site has been temporarily shut down by simplenet. Hopefully I will have it up and running in a few days. However they (simplenet) claims it was because of Copyright Infringement. My guess is because of the newer section with the Dean clips??? I actually have no idea. :P~ :P~ :P~ :P~ Anne (who's a little more than bummed right now ) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:48:13 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain HI! I can't say that I've seen every single ep. yet, so I'm still not positive which is my absolute favorite, but I really laughed over AKA Superman, too. That silverware bit is hilarious. I was seriously ROTFL. We had company over, visiting my parents and they thought I was a lunatic. The other day, one of my friends dropped her silverware during lunch adn I thought of that line and started laughing to myself. Odd looks again. I think it's a habit with me. > > >>What do other people think? I'm curious as to why FoLCs might like other eps. > >Well, I can't say as I really know why, per se, but I think AKA Superman >would have to be my favourite ep. It's certainly my most watched ep -- >I've nearly worn out it's section of the video tape so it's a good thing I >recently rerecorded it. ;) Anyhow, I was never very fond of its A-Plot, >which was dominated by yet another campy villain. However, Lois diving >under the table after her chopsticks at the restaurant (and Clark >subsequently taking away her silverware), Penny and Lois tied together and >fumbling around with their hands behind their backs, Jimmy being a 97% >match for Superman . . . all these things contributed to make this episode >one of the most enjoyable performances I've seen from any televsion cast! >The clincher, however, was the adorably frustrating final scene when Perry >and Jimmy, accompanied by a houseful of people I'm sure neither Lois nor >Clark recognized, interrupted their long anticipated . . . er . . . time >alone together. ;) > >Anyone else love this ep as much as I do? > >Yours, >Karen :) >who would have to say that TF and OP come >a very close second to AKAS for her :) > >"Is that lipstick?" > -LL in AKAS > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:50:48 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: I've never seen anything so beautiful ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain > >At 06:30 PM 2/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Anne: >>>I would also love to subscribe to Demi's list so I can read that discussion >>because it sounds fascinating. > > >Please send me in the direction of Demi's list. Any help appreciated. I >so enjoy the discussions that surround our favorite couple. >Thanks to all who discuss. > >Mary C. > >Me, too. Rachel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:20:59 -0500 Reply-To: nightsky@erols.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genevieve Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tanya Walsh wrote: > > I've been noticing that EVERYBODY loves the 3rd and 4th season and L&C > been together. I didnt' even get to SEE the 4th season (it was > cancelled here) but the 1st and 2nd will always be my favourite. Does > anybody else share the same opinion as me ? Or am I the least WAFF > appreciative person ever ? No, you're not alone, Tanya. In fact, unlike Kathy Brown, I'm always re-watching seasons one and two and only occasionally watch any of the season three. And I almost never re-watch a season four episode. The Waffy scenes of Clark and Lois in love have never been my favorites. Instead, I like those moments of almost-revelation, or sudden self-awareness, when the characters life will be (or could be) changed forever. My favorite episode would have to be Bolt From The Blue. Great comedy, great poking fun of the Superman myth. (The velcro-pocket in the cape is my favorite) Yet it raised some interesting questions too. If Clark wasn't a reporter, if he really needed money, would it be moral for him to charge for Superhero feats? (A point I addressed in the fanfic "Paradise Lost.") And, of course, BOTB has that Whammy moment when Clark realizes if Lois is this upset about Superman lying to her about Waldecker, how is she going to feel when she discovers the Big Lie? (My full-length review of BOTB is available on my webpage, if you are interested at: ) Other favorite episodes. "Whine Whine Whine," of course. The "onion episode" -- a great description. So many layers, so much going on. "Tempus Fugitive" was good, but I always re-read Kaz's fanfic "Tempus Fugitive Revisited" after I watch it; I like her plotting better. From the first season, Pilot and GGGOH, of course, but "Neverending Battle" and "I'm Looking Through You" had a lot going for them too. If I had to pick a third season episode, I'm afraid it would be the first two episodes of the Wedding Arc -- "Double Jeopardy" and "Seconds." My favorite episode from the fourth season is probably "Bob and Carol and Lois and Clark." That goes back to the Clark alone, not fitting in, needing friends theme. ____________________________________________________________________ Genevieve Clemens Lots of great stuff on my webpage WOW! A webpage I designed was mentioned in "College and Research Library News." See a history of the Naval Academy Library at: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:02:22 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Demi's List In-Reply-To: <19990212155048.28442.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Demi doesn't have a list...She has message boards on the WWW though! ;) That's (I think) what folks are talking about. There's currently a lot of speculation going on down there regarding Dean's supposed 'new love' (Cat Grant Folder) .. The URL for those interested is: http://destinyy.com/boards/ Have Fun FoLCs! Demi demona@shaw.wave.ca At 07:50 AM 2/12/99 PST, you wrote: >>At 06:30 PM 2/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>Anne: >>>>I would also love to subscribe to Demi's list so I can read that >discussion >>>because it sounds fascinating. >>Please send me in the direction of Demi's list. Any help appreciated. >I so enjoy the discussions that surround our favorite couple. >>Thanks to all who discuss. >>Mary C. >>Me, too. >Rachel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:12:01 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey Lynda wrote: << Personally, my favorite episode is Whine, Whine, Whine. I call it the 'onion episode' because of its many layers. In all the years of watching, I still catch new things each time I watch the episode. >> I was hoping someone else would mention this episode! It's one of my favorites, perhaps even my most favorite, though it's tough to pick just one. I like it for mostly the same reasons Lynda does- especially the Marlin Finch Lupus nature show and the way it mirrors what's happening with Lois and Clark and Scardino. And it sure doesn't hurt that it's the episode where Lois gives Scardino the boot. :) Other favorites-- Unlike Kathy (I think), I like several first season episodes but my favorites are the Pilot, HiM (this was the first episode- and, for a log time, only- that I ever taped), and GGGoH. Besides WWW, my favorite second season episode is Tempus Fugitive, which was also an ep I taped before I started taping the show every night. I had an orchestra concert that night and my brother recorded the episode for me, then told me that Lois finds out that Clark's Superman and I just *had* to see it. It was one of the first times (besides Clark's fingers-crossing at the end of HoL) that I yelled at the TV Third and fourth season favorites: DTOSC (I love the spoofs), JSN, AKAS (definately my favorite of the 4th season- vintage Lois and Clark), and MJD. About Ultra Woman-- on first viewing, I didn't like it very much. I liked the last scence, with Lois proposing to Clark in the same way he proposed to her, but there were lots of things I didn't like and it just gave me a bad memory of the episode. I was surprised to learn that so many people liked the episode. But after seeing it more than once, I noticed things I had missed that I did like, but it still isn't one of my favorites. -Christy kubitc@kenyon.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:39:13 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: irene dutchak Subject: Re: Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I have a few favourite episodes but I think my all time favourite is "Ordinary People". Dean and of course, the writers do such a great job of portraying Clark as absolutely manic now that Lois knows his secret. I don't think Clark is ever portrayed in such a light-hearted way again in the whole series. I especially love when L&C are trying to start a campfire. L is teasing C about not knowing how to start a campfire by rubbing 2 sticks together and C retorts "I'm just a strange visitor from another planet." I found the whole episode to be incredibly funny or incredibly WAFFY. I also love Tempus Fugitive for the same reason. It's an incredibly funny episode. Irene ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:59:24 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: julie slisz Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain >>"Whine Whine Whine," of course. The "onion episode" -- a great description. << I love that episode too, but should that be the 'opinion' episode, or is there something about an onion I'm missing here? Julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:32:22 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kate Crane Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A few of my favorites: IGACOY, just love Lois's look of jealous outrage when Clark kisses Tony, slamming into her apt, changing into the slumpy robe, eating ice cream from the container, and then throwing it and her shoes in the freezer when Lex shows up. JSN, the make-up/make-out scene always makes my heart flitter LOTF, "if this is a dream, I don't wanna know" and "this could be a good custom......" BE...Superman really nails the bad guy SL&VT, 'nuff said. and on and on and on..............oh shoot, who was the idiot who cancelled this show anyway!! Kate the Maryland one ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:49:25 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Christina Batouli Subject: grounding superman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Ways to ground Superman: There was one episode of The New Adventures of Batman/Superman where someone used satelites to block out only some of the suns rays, only letting the red ones through, and he lost his powers. There was an S5 episode, I forget which one, where Clark got this alien gunk on him that didn't let him absorb the suns rays. (The one with some peopl ein the witness protection program that ended up living in Smallville) You could also try a power transfer, through a red kryptonite laser You could give him amnesia, (again) and he forgets how to use his powers, or even that he has them. He could try to stop being Superman, so he could spend more time with Lois and the kids, or stop because of some personal tradgedy as in Heaven's Prisoners. :- < Gold kryptonite's the best bet though, but I don't think there's a way to get his powers back. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:54:51 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Christina Batouli Subject: Re: FoLC Lore Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I know this isn't much, but I noticed that whenever Lois has a cat in a fanfic, (she didn't have one in the show,) the cat's name is Elroy. I think that was the name of her cat in the second series comics, thought I havn't seen it for a while. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:50:40 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sarah Sandberg Subject: the Ultra Woman survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BE56D1.BB427180" Det här är ett multipart-meddelande i MIME-format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BE56D1.BB427180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody! I was just reading about your favorite episodes, and I realized I really = don't have a clue about what each ep is called. Here in Sweden they = don't show the titles ( maybe the subtitles cover it, I don't know ) = and when I watched the show in France, it was dubbed into french ( not a = great idea, if you ask me ) and the titles were translated. So... I got = curious. I found a list of ep titles, but it didn't tell me much. = Then, I found zoomway's page ( which is really great, by the way) with = a short resume of each episode. Thank you! The only problem is, season = 2 was gone... Could anyone give me a little hint of where to find = something similar? Anyway, among my favorite episodes are the one with Jaxon Xavier, I = think it's called "Virtually Destroyed", because it's funny, and because = Clark is SO cute when he talks about his experiences. Ultra Woman is = great, and the Christmas episode when everybody starts acting like kids. = And "Ghosts" of course. I love the ending, because they seem to have = so much fun, and it doesn't look like acting, it looks like it's for = real. One of my friends, who doesn't like the show (imagine!) is crazy = about the episode where Lois&Clark go away, pretending they are married = to solve a kidnapping story, and Clark sleep floats into Lois... Me = too, I laugh every time... Oh, birthday subject... Mine is May 17, an important day for Superman, = I'd say...=20 This was a long one, I'm sorry... Sarah ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BE56D1.BB427180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody!
I was just reading about your = favorite episodes,=20 and I realized I really don't have a clue about what each ep is = called. =20 Here in Sweden they don't show the titles ( maybe the subtitles cover = it, I=20 don't know )  and when I watched the show in France, it was dubbed = into=20 french ( not a great idea, if you ask me ) and the titles were = translated. =20 So... I got curious.  I found a list of ep titles, but it didn't = tell me=20 much.  Then, I found zoomway's page ( which is really great, by the = way)  with a short resume of each episode.  Thank you!  = The only=20 problem is, season 2 was gone...  Could anyone give me a little = hint of=20 where to find something similar?
 
Anyway, among my favorite episodes = are the one=20 with Jaxon Xavier, I think it's called "Virtually Destroyed", = because=20 it's funny, and because Clark is SO cute when he talks about his=20 experiences.  Ultra Woman is great, and the Christmas episode when=20 everybody starts acting like kids.  And "Ghosts" of = course. =20 I love the ending, because they seem to have so much fun, and it doesn't = look=20 like acting, it looks like it's for real.  One of my friends, who = doesn't=20 like the show (imagine!)  is crazy about the episode where = Lois&Clark=20 go away, pretending they are married to solve a kidnapping story, and = Clark=20 sleep floats into Lois...  Me too, I laugh every = time...
 
Oh, birthday subject...  Mine = is May 17, an=20 important day for Superman, I'd say...
 
This was a long one, I'm = sorry...
Sarah
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BE56D1.BB427180-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:00:36 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "C.T.YIM" Subject: Re: The Ultra Survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE56A0.D407F540" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE56A0.D407F540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>"Whine Whine Whine," of course. The "onion episode" -- a great >description. << >I love that episode too, but should that be the 'opinion' episode, or = is >there something about an onion I'm missing here? > >Julie She said she liked WWW because of the many layers to the episode...all = the things going on during the hour. Have you ever peeled an onion? = Lotsa layers :) I haven't watched LnC in a looong long time now . . . over a year maybe? = But reading about all your favorite episodes is making remember why I = fell in love with the show. Thanks! I have some TV watchin' to do this = weekend=20 My favorite episodes are, umm...well, ATAI got me hooked. SG rocks too. = I loved GGG, but I *still* don't have it on tape. 3rd season, my faves = are WHALTTA, OP and JSN.=20 Later, Bep=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE56A0.D407F540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>>"Whine Whine Whine," of course.  The = "onion=20 episode" -- a great
>description.  <<

>I = love=20 that episode too, but should that be the 'opinion' episode, or = is
>there=20 something about an onion I'm missing here?
>
>Julie
 
She said she liked WWW because of = the many=20 layers to the episode...all the things going on during the hour. Have = you ever=20 peeled an onion? Lotsa layers :)
 
I haven't watched LnC in a looong long time now . . = . over a=20 year maybe? But reading about all your favorite episodes is making = remember why=20 I fell in love with the show. Thanks! I have some TV watchin' to do this = weekend<g>
 
My favorite episodes are, = umm...well, ATAI got=20 me hooked. SG rocks too. I loved GGG, but I *still* don't have it on = tape. 3rd=20 season, my faves are WHALTTA, OP and JSN.
 
Later,
Bep
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE56A0.D407F540-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:17:57 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Site Problems In-Reply-To: <811d790b.36c4274e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 8:06 AM -0500 2/12/99, Annette Ciotola wrote: >Sorry if you got this twice, but since I house Fanfic I wanted to pass this >along to ya'll ... > >I just wanted to pass along that my site has been temporarily shut down by >simplenet. Hopefully I will have it up and running in a few days. However they >(simplenet) claims it was because of Copyright Infringement. My guess is >because of the newer section with the Dean clips??? I actually have no idea. I'm with you on the :P Anne! That's terrible. Hopefully they'll give you an answer soon on what the problem is. I would think they'd have to tell you what you can do to be in compliance, and hopefully just how they came to determine there was a problem. Isn't Les's site on simplenet too? He's got video clips. Has he had problems? Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kathyb@springnet1.com http://userweb.springnet1.com/kathyb/ KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:36:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Site Problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:06 AM 12/02/99 EST, Anne wrote: >I just wanted to pass along that my site has been temporarily shut down by >simplenet. Hopefully I will have it up and running in a few days. However >they(simplenet) claims it was because of Copyright Infringement. My guess is >because of the newer section with the Dean clips??? I actually have no idea. Ack, I'm really sorry to hear that, Anne. I can't imagine any FoLC wouldn't be. Your site is a wonderful fan resource. And I find it quite suspect that it was yanked arbitrarily. :( I know Simplenet usually doesn't do anything unless a person complains, so if it *is* about your L&C (or Dean) images, then it would be my guess that someone whined to simplenet about those, and I think that's a little malicious, considering the series isn't even on the air first-run anymore. They do have to let you know what the reason was though, and hopefully it was a misunderstanding. *sigh* It's such a shame that people are still trying to yank fan resources out there. We've been a lot luckier than other fan groups, certainly, but what seems even more sad at this point is the very fact that we *have* been left largely alone by ABC, et al, means you were probably shut down by someone else entirely. Some time ago, SPRYNET did a similar thing to one of my L&C sites, rather than argue with them, I moved everything to a new provider, put a huge photo of a great big hairy pig up on the old site instead and used the space to take out a full page editorial on just what I thought of them. -- It didn't help ressurect the old site at all, mind you, but it sure made me feel a lot better! LOL ;) Demi ___________________________________________ Demi aka Demona demona@shaw.wave.ca http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ "Free your heart from your mind. Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not." - Charles de Lint ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:06:57 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: Site Problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/12/99 3:38:11 PM Central Standard Time, demona@SHAW.WAVE.CA writes: << I know Simplenet usually doesn't do anything unless a person complains, so if it *is* about your L&C (or Dean) images, then it would be my guess that someone whined to simplenet about those, and I think that's a little malicious, considering the series isn't even on the air first-run anymore. They do have to let you know what the reason was though, and hopefully it was a misunderstanding. *sigh* It's such a shame that people are still trying to yank fan resources out there. We've been a lot luckier than other fan groups, certainly, but what seems even more sad at this point is the very fact that we *have* been left largely alone by ABC, et al, means you were probably shut down by someone else entirely. >> I hope none of this is a latter day move by Warner Bros. TNT even highlights fan sites, and so they would seem unlikely to be the ones crying copyright infringement. With Dean Clips (not related to L&C) it might relate to other companies like McDonalds (very strict on copyright enforcement) or Coca-Cola (again, very strict) Cinemax (Dogboys) Aman Ra/New Star (Futuresport) or even whoever took over for the now defunct Orion Pictures (Best Men). I would hate to think it was Dean or his representatives crying foul. It just doesn't seem like him at all. He counts heavily on fan goodwill to pull a rotten apple stunt like that. Explain to Simplenet that the license holder/copyright holder for Lois and Clark (at this time it is TNT) *encourages* fan sites and give Simplenet the TNT link to show that TNT highlights and recommends fan sites. Demand to know what copyright infringement they're talking about if TNT itself encourages fan sites. Zoomway@aol.com (might be time to contact the Folc law firm ;) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:22:27 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: Site Problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Guys, I am off to write them *another* letter. They gave me 72 hours to delete the what they considered in violation. I have already sent them one asking them what files they mean and they have yet to get back to me. What gets me is that it wasn't even ABC or DC comics it was Simplenet doing a site check! And if they say I am in violation because of the Dean site, how? I don't have that exactly running, yet. This is all I received from them ********* SimpleNet Customer, Your account has been suspended. SimpleNet has a policy concerning the misuse of intellectual property, specifically property that is alleged to be protected by copyright or trademark laws. It has come to our attention while performing system maintenance that material on your site may contain copyrighted material. The site owner has 72 hours to do one of the following : 1) Provide legal documentation of permission given to the site administrator to distribute the material from their site. or 2) Remove any material violating copyright or trademark laws. ******* Anne ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:40:08 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Favorite: Pilot Episode Favorite: Twas the Night Before Mxy The Pilot did a good job of introducing all the characters. Night Before Mxy showed me: A great plot. While it was similar to some movies, like Ground Hog Day, it very different in a unique and creative way Great acting/directing, etc. Good characterization (though Lois prompting Martha to Ommmm will always seem odd to me...) Lois, once she was brought up to speed, she was confirmed as absolutely *the* companion CK needs when the fighting gets tough. She could do what he could not do, play a crucial role without needing superpowers. But most of all, CK was shown to be the overall, never-give-up, *clever* hero that I failed to find in the bulk of previous and following (with the exception of AKAS) episodes from late season 1 onward. TNBM was inspirational for me when it comes to the depiction of Clark Kent :) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:43:38 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Eileen F. Ray" Subject: Re: L&C Fanfic Writing Session Saturday, February 13, 1999 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone, Even though this would normally be a skip week we will be writing to finish the story we started last Saturday. To refresh your memories this is the premise: With the problems with Morgan Edge in the past Lois and Clark finally get a chance to concentrate on happier things, like Perry's and Alice's wedding and of course, Lois's pregnancy. But as they prepare to celebrate, they discover that there are some unexpected and humorous side effects to their Kryptonian/Terran genetic experiment . We would still like to hear from you if you have any story premises of your own that you would like us to explore together. You can either email them to me at: eraygun@aol.com Or better still, just bring your ideas with you when you join us this Saturday or for our weekly "story bouncing" sessions on Wednesdays on #L&CFicOrg, starting around 9:00 PM EDT. We generally meet Saturdays starting at 3 PM EDT and try to start writing fairly soon thereafter. You can come and join the fun at any time, however. We are usually there for several hours since writing a story takes time. Since #L&CFanfic is on occasion "invite only" please message if you want to join us. If an official "inviter" is designated, we will let you know. Some of us should be hanging out on #Loiscla. A note on procedure here ;) : When people need to be caught up on the story in progress after being bounced off IRC or just joining the session late, please try and avoid pasting the story directly into the channel window. Please do that in a private message or dcc-chat window instead. Hope to see you all there! Cheers, Eileen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:03:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism In-Reply-To: <655a2632.36c4a9a3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:22 PM 12/02/99 EST, you wrote: >This is all I received from them ********* >SimpleNet Customer, >Your account has been suspended. SimpleNet has a policy concerning the >misuse of intellectual property, specifically property that is alleged to >be protected by copyright or trademark laws. Misuse of Intellectual Property sounds very familiar. You know, there has been quite a tizzy lately over plagerized fanfiction, specifically, one author calling herself "Naughty Nanny" (on a geocities address) who stole the stories of several Star Trek and a couple of Lois & Clark authors and posted them on her website as *her own* work, having made them into Nanny-Fic by changing a word here or there. There's been a big buzz about that in fanfiction circles the last couple of weeks. It may be possible that in this little mini-war being waged, someone may have alleged to Simplenet that a story on Anne's site contained work which wasn't 'legal' .. in that sense. Whether substantiated or not, Simplenet would act on that first and ask questions later. I know Anne, I know she would never do anything like that knowingly, but that doesn't mean someone wouldn't make the accusation if they were desperate enough, or if they knew something Anne didn't. I wonder if the recent plagerism scare has either prompted someone to be vindictive, or begun to cause even more of a stir than anticipated? Of even if someone who was scared, like "Naughty Nanny" for example, were to claim that a person plagerized *her* and not the other way around, that could create a lot of problems for people who don't deserve it. I hope not..I hope this has nothing to do with that at all. Demi ___________________________________________ Demi aka Demona demona@shaw.wave.ca http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ "Free your heart from your mind. Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not." - Charles de Lint ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:34:17 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Terry Thurston Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ummmmm... just if anybody wants to know a.t.x.c (x-files fanfic ng) has been trying to find ways to deal with Naught Nanny. she has also stolen fic's from well known X-Files fanficton authors. Just thought you may want to know. angie ***** Taken from an e-mail to the X-Files Fanfic Mailing list******** Here are my sources (a good journalist always credits her sources): >from CiCi Lean's Acid desk: Here are the story titles of the plagiarized stories and the authors they were stolen from: A Common Misconception - by "Naughty Nanny" A Common Misconception II - by "Naughty Nanny" Morning After II - by "Naughty Nanny" These were stolen from Karen Rasch's "Early Morning Words" and others. "The Island" stolen verbatim from "The Carrot & The Stick" by Plausible Deniability --and later-- >FROM LYDIA BOWER: I haven't had a chance to read all these stories carefully, but the passages that were taken from DWS appear in "A Common Misconception" I. I haven't found anything else--so far. Then Autumn from the OBSSE mailing list had this to say: So, I'm browsing ATXC and I see a post from the lovely and talented Karen Rasch and I read it. She's talking about how she has found out she has been plagerized. Wow, I think. That is the lowest of the low. Then it gets worse. Turns out this same person has plagerized a number of authors for their fanfic. Even some of the stories that I have recommended in my fanfic pics column. BUT THE WORST IS YET TO COME. This scumbag has taken XF fanfic and barely altered it at all to turn it into... The Nanny fanfic. Then this was posted to Folie A Deux: Please read this and pass it on..who knows who they'll strike next... >>>(I'm sharing this here for the benefit of those who no longer read >>>alt.tv.x-files.creative - as that number seems to grow larger >daily....) >>> >>>Earlier today on ATXC after a fair amount of discussion, Karen Rasch >posted >>>the following URL: >>> >>>http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Studio/8064/ >>> >>>This is a site for - brace yourself - "The Nanny" fic. The stories >>>archived herein have been blatantly stolen from Karen, Lydia Bower, >and >>>Plausible Deniability (thus far - who knows who else they'll hit?). >In >>>certain cases, the names are the only things that have been changed. >>> >>>Please, pass this information along to any other fic lists you may be >on. >>>Whoever this person is canNOT be allowed to get away with this. >>>-- >>> Kirsten M. Berry, Official MSR Apologist kirib@hooked.net > > *** Terrifying, isn't it. And when I wrote to NN to flame her (yes, I'm calling a flame, gasp--gentle me flaming someone) I did tell him/her to get better taste in TV. I'm not ashamed to admit that in the heat of the moment I was . . . less than kind. I do have to say this. I've been asked in the past for permission to refer to one of my stories in a new one, and I've always granted it. We can feed and teach and nuture each other. But this . . . this is so wrong it makes my stomach hurt. Jenna Cupidian, OBSSE, Poet Laureate of the Ship, Chief Cook and Bottle Washer 66 Exeter Street: http://www.crosswinds.net/dublin/~jennab The truth is . . . in this cupboard. ******************end********************* -----Original Message----- From: demona To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Date: February 12, 1999 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism >At 05:22 PM 12/02/99 EST, you wrote: >>This is all I received from them ********* >>SimpleNet Customer, >>Your account has been suspended. SimpleNet has a policy concerning the >>misuse of intellectual property, specifically property that is alleged to >>be protected by copyright or trademark laws. > > >Misuse of Intellectual Property sounds very familiar. You know, there has >been quite a tizzy lately over plagerized fanfiction, specifically, one >author calling herself "Naughty Nanny" (on a geocities address) who stole >the stories of several Star Trek and a couple of Lois & Clark authors and >posted them on her website as *her own* work, having made them into >Nanny-Fic by changing a word here or there. > >There's been a big buzz about that in fanfiction circles the last couple of >weeks. It may be possible that in this little mini-war being waged, >someone may have alleged to Simplenet that a story on Anne's site contained >work which wasn't 'legal' .. in that sense. Whether substantiated or not, >Simplenet would act on that first and ask questions later. I know Anne, I >know she would never do anything like that knowingly, but that doesn't mean >someone wouldn't make the accusation if they were desperate enough, or if >they knew something Anne didn't. > >I wonder if the recent plagerism scare has either prompted someone to be >vindictive, or begun to cause even more of a stir than anticipated? Of >even if someone who was scared, like "Naughty Nanny" for example, were to >claim that a person plagerized *her* and not the other way around, that >could create a lot of problems for people who don't deserve it. > >I hope not..I hope this has nothing to do with that at all. > >Demi >___________________________________________ >Demi aka Demona > >demona@shaw.wave.ca >http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ > >"Free your heart from your mind. > Embrace wonder for one moment without > the need to consider how that wonder > came to be, without the need to justify > if it be real or not." >- Charles de Lint > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:54:22 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism In-Reply-To: <012601be56a5$8afa3ac0$047fc2cf@terry-thurston> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just went to that Naughty Nanny website and none of the links to the actual stories work! They've been taken down, but I'm not sure whether it was by Geocities, or by Naughty Nanny. At 08:34 AM 12/02/99 -0800, Terry Thurston wrote: >Ummmmm... > just if anybody wants to know a.t.x.c (x-files fanfic ng) has been trying >to find ways to deal with Naught Nanny. she has also stolen fic's from well >known X-Files fanficton authors. Just thought you may want to know. > >angie > >***** Taken from an e-mail to the X-Files Fanfic Mailing list******** > >Here are my sources (a good journalist always credits her sources): > >>from CiCi Lean's Acid desk: >Here are the story titles of the plagiarized stories and the authors >they were stolen from: > >A Common Misconception - by "Naughty Nanny" >A Common Misconception II - by "Naughty Nanny" >Morning After II - by "Naughty Nanny" > >These were stolen from Karen Rasch's "Early Morning Words" and others. > >"The Island" stolen verbatim from "The Carrot & The Stick" by >Plausible Deniability > >--and later-- >>FROM LYDIA BOWER: > >I haven't had a chance to read all these stories carefully, but the >passages that were taken from DWS appear in "A Common Misconception" >I. I haven't found anything else--so far. > >Then Autumn from the OBSSE mailing list had this to say: >So, I'm browsing ATXC and I see a post from the lovely and talented >Karen >Rasch and I read it. She's talking about how she has found out she has >been >plagerized. Wow, I think. That is the lowest of the low. Then it gets >worse. >Turns out this same person has plagerized a number of authors for their >fanfic. Even some of the stories that I have recommended in my fanfic >pics >column. BUT THE WORST IS YET TO COME. This scumbag has taken XF fanfic >and >barely altered it at all to turn it into... The Nanny fanfic. > >Then this was posted to Folie A Deux: >Please read this and pass it on..who knows who they'll strike next... > >>>>(I'm sharing this here for the benefit of those who no longer read >>>>alt.tv.x-files.creative - as that number seems to grow larger >>daily....) >>>> >>>>Earlier today on ATXC after a fair amount of discussion, Karen Rasch >>posted >>>>the following URL: >>>> >>>>http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Studio/8064/ >>>> >>>>This is a site for - brace yourself - "The Nanny" fic. The stories >>>>archived herein have been blatantly stolen from Karen, Lydia Bower, >>and >>>>Plausible Deniability (thus far - who knows who else they'll hit?). >>In >>>>certain cases, the names are the only things that have been changed. >>>> >>>>Please, pass this information along to any other fic lists you may be >>on. >>>>Whoever this person is canNOT be allowed to get away with this. >>>>-- >>>> Kirsten M. Berry, Official MSR Apologist kirib@hooked.net >> >> > > >*** >Terrifying, isn't it. > >And when I wrote to NN to flame her (yes, I'm calling a flame, >gasp--gentle me flaming someone) I did tell him/her to get better taste >in TV. I'm not ashamed to admit that in the heat of the moment I was . >. . less than kind. > >I do have to say this. I've been asked in the past for permission to >refer to one of my stories in a new one, and I've always granted it. We >can feed and teach and nuture each other. But this . . . this is so >wrong it makes my stomach hurt. >Jenna >Cupidian, OBSSE, Poet Laureate of the Ship, Chief Cook and Bottle Washer >66 Exeter Street: http://www.crosswinds.net/dublin/~jennab >The truth is . . . in this cupboard. > >******************end********************* > > >-----Original Message----- >From: demona >To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > >Date: February 12, 1999 8:02 PM >Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism > > >>At 05:22 PM 12/02/99 EST, you wrote: >>>This is all I received from them ********* >>>SimpleNet Customer, >>>Your account has been suspended. SimpleNet has a policy concerning the >>>misuse of intellectual property, specifically property that is alleged to >>>be protected by copyright or trademark laws. >> >> >>Misuse of Intellectual Property sounds very familiar. You know, there has >>been quite a tizzy lately over plagerized fanfiction, specifically, one >>author calling herself "Naughty Nanny" (on a geocities address) who stole >>the stories of several Star Trek and a couple of Lois & Clark authors and >>posted them on her website as *her own* work, having made them into >>Nanny-Fic by changing a word here or there. >> >>There's been a big buzz about that in fanfiction circles the last couple of >>weeks. It may be possible that in this little mini-war being waged, >>someone may have alleged to Simplenet that a story on Anne's site contained >>work which wasn't 'legal' .. in that sense. Whether substantiated or not, >>Simplenet would act on that first and ask questions later. I know Anne, I >>know she would never do anything like that knowingly, but that doesn't mean >>someone wouldn't make the accusation if they were desperate enough, or if >>they knew something Anne didn't. >> >>I wonder if the recent plagerism scare has either prompted someone to be >>vindictive, or begun to cause even more of a stir than anticipated? Of >>even if someone who was scared, like "Naughty Nanny" for example, were to >>claim that a person plagerized *her* and not the other way around, that >>could create a lot of problems for people who don't deserve it. >> >>I hope not..I hope this has nothing to do with that at all. >> >>Demi >>___________________________________________ >>Demi aka Demona >> >>demona@shaw.wave.ca >>http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ >> >>"Free your heart from your mind. >> Embrace wonder for one moment without >> the need to consider how that wonder >> came to be, without the need to justify >> if it be real or not." >>- Charles de Lint >> > > jenerator@ozemail.com.au -*-This message is umop ap!sdn (Jenerator or Some1Else on IRC) -*- JenerEight on AIM -*- ICQ: 11477318 Photos of David (6) and Megan (3) on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:47:18 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Nomination Countdown! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, all you fanfic readers out there! We're nearing the end of the nominations!! Thanks to the many of you who have already submitted either part of all of your nominations already. I appreciate it! ;) And for those of you who haven't yet, there is only about ONE WEEK left to submit your fanfic nominations for the 1999 Lois & Clark Fanfic Kerth Awards. Nominations will close next weekend-- Sunday, February 21st at midnight EST. So, to reiterate, you only have NINE days left! If where you live is being bombarded with snow like my area is, curling up with a cup of hot chocolate and a good pile of fanfic sounds like the perfect way to spend a weekend or weeknight. Don't you think? ;) Anyway, get those nominations in to me soon so that I don't have to dig myself out from under piles and piles of them in the last few days. Besides, it would be nice if I could actually go out on a date with my husband over that weekend. But if my email box is jam packed, I may have to tell him I can't go because I have too much to do. And if that's the case, don't be surprised if a really big, really tall, very alone man shows up angry on your doorstep. Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** NOMINATE YOUR FAVORITE FANFIC! http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/kerth-nom.html ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:05:35 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Demi, you don't know it, but it does make me feel a bit better about the whole situation. If that is the case, it's possibly something that can be cleared up quickly. (hopefully!) Ya know, what Demi is saying makes alot more sense then what I originally thought to begin with. My first thought (and still was until I read Demi's post) was about the videos and what not, which most of our sites are made up of, why attack one site. But being that I house alot of fanfic, that could be a possibility. Especially with someone we all knew who had her fanfic plagurized. NONE of the authors listed on the site would or could have plagerized any of those fics. Given to the fact that 99% of those fics were written, not only in my presence, but in the presence of the most respected FoLCs, like the authors themselves. I just hope it will be an easy task to clear up. However, I am not feeling too opimistic about that right now. Simplenet has *not* replied to any of my attempts to get in touch with them. With that said, I am in the process of relocating my site for the time being. I think it will more than likely be permanent. I should have it up an running by tonight, everything on the main site is up loading to a new url as I type this. (I will post it when I am sure that at least the other site links and the regular fic, along with Annie's writers showcase, is working.) The Nfic will be a tad bit more difficult, but I see that down for no longer than a week at the most. The videos will also take a bit of time to re-upload. Thanks for hanging with me! The support through even private email has been overwhelming. Just one more reason to be glad to be an FoLC. :) Anne (who has not yet given up!!) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:28:59 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Hi! First I want to say thanks to everybody who helped me out with my last question about how to ground Superman. It gave me a lot of ideas and inspired me to continue. Second, I have another question. What year was "have a holly jolly christmas...or not" written in? Thanks, Rachel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:27:42 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "B.B. Medos" Subject: my fanfic on-line Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lately, I've finally gotten around to giving some time to writing L&C fanfic again after a long absence. Okay, it was only about a year, but it's been a very distracting year for me in many ways. Anyway, I decided that the only way I was going to get back into doing this at all was to make an on-line project out of it where I could get some feedback from others which would in turn push me along. Along with that, the idea sort of collided into another concept when I started putting together a website. I think what I came up with is cute. I just need time to work on it some more. Then, imagine my chagrin to scan through the fanfic list archive while putting this together and come across the discussion of the recent fanfic plagiarism uproar. It was enough to make me want to run right back into hiding and never come out. But, anyway, for better or for worse, I've put my L&C fanfic up on my web-site. This will includes each of my regular fanfics as well as several works-in-progress as I get them past the extremely rough draft stage. You can access them with this url: I'd give you the specific url for the L&C fanfic, but it goes on forever. Just look under content and L&C. (You'll get to them eventually.) Let me know what you think. Beverly :-) B.B. Medos Beverly's Book Sanctuary: Partners-In-Crime ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:12:23 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: my fanfic on-line MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Beverly! >Lately, I've finally gotten around to giving some time to writing L&C >fanfic again after a long absence. Okay, it was only about a year, but it's >been a very distracting year for me in many ways. Has it only been a year? Somehow it seems much longer since I read any great fanfic from the keyboard of BB Medos. Delighted to hear that you've gotten over your troublesome year and are planning to entertain us all some more. Looking forward! >Then, imagine my chagrin to scan through the fanfic list archive while >putting this together and come across the discussion of the recent fanfic >plagiarism uproar. It was enough to make me want to run right back into >hiding and never come out. Hey, we can't let thieves and vagabonds scare us any! Been there, done that. In a lot of ways the new technology that aids the thief aids us authors too. Many years ago I discovered that someone had photocopied a story of mine (and badly photocopied too) typexed out my name, inserted their own and was distributing it. As this was the days of snail mail and ink and paper zines, tracking the culprit down was well nigh impossible. Getting the word out that the story was actually mine was an even more Herculean task and I'm pretty sure to this day that there's at least one person who read it who still thinks it was written by that particular female. All you can really do is shrug your shoulders and accept that these people are sad, pathetic little individuals whose lives are so dull and unexciting that they feel obliged to feed off the reflected glory of the creative talent of others. You have to pity them really. And, of course, we have a better opportunity to put the word out as to their crimes than we did before. Have faith, Beverly. Don't let them get you down. And please don't let them discourage you from writing. For every small possibility there is out there that you may be ripped off, you have to realise that you're bringing enjoyment to a great many others with your wonderful stories. Not that I'm suggesting this isn't a serious issue or that authors shouldn't be spitting mad about it. Just that we can't let the bad guys get the upper hand and stop us having the enjoyment of writing and sharing our work simply for the fear that we'll be ripped off. Or from enjoying the fanfic of others for the same reason. Mind you, with this latest "Naughty Nanny", I've been educated to new heights. Bad enough to have your story ripped off and claimed by someone else. Even worse, I would suspect, to have it transformed into fic for a show you happen to despise with a vengeance! But, anyway, for better or for worse, I've put >my L&C fanfic up on my web-site. This will includes each of my regular >fanfics as well as several works-in-progress as I get them past the >extremely rough draft stage. You can access them with this url: Have to salute your bravery here! Not even the dog gets access to my first drafts. Mind you, my first drafts are probably slightly messier than yours, I suspect. ;) > Welcome back! LabRat :) > PS - Did someone say earlier that they thought the NN site had folded? I was able to access it today by a simple search of NN. And does anyone know how you go about mailing Geocities if you're not a member? Or is this impossible? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:41:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: OT: Speaking of TV Directors... ;) In-Reply-To: <001a01be57ac$463ac280$cc3470c2@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With regards to our discussion of directors in television recently, I wanted to share a great quote I just discovered. It's George Clooney from ER, whether you like the man or not, his insight here is right along the lines of some of the posts made earlier this week: "When you're working on a TV Series and a director comes in, you can't really always do what they tell you. They come on the show and want to make the episode 'something special' -- 'This is the one where Dr. Ross cries'. But you can't do every one of those. So you learn how to direct yourself a little and not pay complete attention to the director. They'll say, 'Do it this way' and you'll say 'Yeah, yeah, yeah.' and you'll do it your way, and everything is moving to fast for them to notice." (Unless you're Teri, in which case you'll say: "I a NOT doing that, are you out of your %*#& mind!??" ) Anyway, I thought it was a great quote for that thread, myself. ;) Demi ___________________________________________ Demi aka Demona demona@shaw.wave.ca http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/ "Free your heart from your mind. Embrace wonder for one moment without the need to consider how that wonder came to be, without the need to justify if it be real or not." - Charles de Lint ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:35:59 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: It's up, its sorta good!! Comments: To: LOISCLA@VM.EGE.EDU.TR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wow, I've never posted this much in a 2-3 days span ... Well, as promised here is my new site location: http://dgc1113.webjump.com/annesplace.htm All the links have been checked and they are work properly. The only thing I dont like about my new home is the banner they automatically add at the top. But I'll live with it since it's free. There are no videos (yet) and no nfic (yet) but the Dean links do work and there are pics to see on some sites. Thanks Anne :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:55:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Subject: Re: out of curiosity In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:46 PM 2/11/1999 -0600, Kathy, my very good friend, wrote: >I can't cite a chapter number, but I know that Debby Stark has mentioned >Lois's birthday several times in her Dawning series. October 18, a date very dear to my own heart... ;) >So, if that's one you >are thinking of, there's definite a "fanfic reality". That universe has >been in development as long as the show itself. :) >(And I have no idea how Debby keeps her own canon straight Neither do I. It wasn't until maybe part... 5? that I began to realize I was laying down threads (continuity) and I *better* keep track... >-- FoLCs >sometimes complain about show's continuity and say the writers should keep >a "bible" to refer back to. But think about how much work that would be >for a single fanfic writer whose series is thousands and thousands of pages >long! Very impressive that she isn't contradicting herself left and right.) I've realized a few cases but it's mostly to do with character names. Fortunately(?), in the biggest city in the (comic book) world, there are bound to be people with the same first name :D >>Nethra >>who thinks there should be some kind of celebration when the archive >>reaches 1000 stories (just because it ventures into the 4 digits)...wonder >>who will write the 1000th story? an F1K (fanfic one thousand) story... looks sort of like fic, doesn't it? >LOL, good idea. We'll have to have some big flashy sign on the front page >or something. Hmm, I wonder how close we will be on Kerth night, March >27. Maybe if we get to 999 in mid-March, we can hold off on the additional >story until then. Quick! Write fast! >Interestingly, I've had people attach a note to a submitted story, "can you >make sure this one is number 900" or whatever. I suppose for nfic we're well past story 69... ;) >Unfortunately, I have to >reply with a no-can-do. For one, once we let one person do it, we'd have to >let everyone do it Hmm, maybe that person could name her/his story "900" (or, um, "911--Calling Superman") --or "1000th Story: L&C Celebrate a Daily Planet Milestone" Debby Debby@swcp.com back to work... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:46:56 -1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: title of fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Silly me, I've started reading a great story only I don't know if it is eligible for this years kerth awards cuz I printed it out minus the title and author accidently and I didn't save it in my computer. Its about Lois and Clark (of course!) at the time when Lois know's of his secret,but she hasn't given in and accepted him yet. They got in a car wreck and she finds a dead guy in the ditch. It has something to do with a child custody battle over a little girl named Ka. Her daddy has murdered her uncle and put her mom in an insane asylum. sound familiar anyone? I would like to know if what I'm reading is eligible for Kerths this year. thanx! jmeS8-)] ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:42:51 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> quite a tizzy lately over plagerized fanfiction, specifically, one author calling herself "Naughty Nanny" (on a geocities address) who stole= the stories of several Star Trek and a couple of Lois & Clark authors << Demi, This is quite alarming ... do you know which L&C authors/stories have been ripped off? I visited the site earlier today (it was up at that point) but I really couldn't bring myself to read any of the stories. I enjoy watching the sitcom, but the thought of plagerized fanfic just turn= ed my stomach. I mean, Lois & Fran are *nothing* alike in characterization!= = Simply changing names wouldn't begin to make a story "fit"... PJ !^NavFont02F0218000EMGJHGB4MGB6HI`8706 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:42:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: title of fanfic Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> They got in a car wreck and she finds a dead guy in the ditch. It has something to do with a child custody battle over a little girl named Ka. Her daddy has murdered her uncle and put her mom in an insane asylum. << I believe that's "In A Child's Name" by Delaney (this is off the top of my head but now you have something to check on the archive :-) and I also= believe that it is eligible. At least I hope it is, 'cause I nominated i= t ... PJ !^NavFont02F0162000FMGJHGABMGADHH632475 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:57:32 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: the Ultra Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Oh, boy, this is always hard for me. In 1rst season I'd choose Bryce Zabel's episodes (Strange Visitor, Green Green Glow of Home and All Shook Up) Of the first season writers, Zabel seemed to have the best grasp of the characters and what they could be together. He never let them slip into caricature and he had almost no Lex in his episodes Best of all, he didn't try and paint Clark as a tragic, solitary figure. Fortunately that kind of overused depiction of a hero was avoided for the most part throughout the series. Clark instead became the rarer breed of hero, the type who never stops hoping, dreaming or striving for what he wants. With second season and the introduction of John McNamara as writer, the series introduced a fairly wicked sense of humor Wall of Sound, an episode often overlooked, had some nice foreshadowing of what it would be like when Lois was in on the secret and she and Clark could work as a true team. Top Copy, a funny episode, but also an important one in terms of L&C's relationship. A lot of nice character insight in the episode. "You get this tone in your voice when you're humoring me. You think I don't hear it, but I do." "You are some partner." "Is that *all* I am, Lois?" Other great moments include Clark pantomiming the word "reaching", Lois giving Clark an "A for effort and F for fat chance" ;) Lois and Mayson admitting they just flat-out don't like each other The Phoenix and the almost first date. One of the few episodes that really had sexual tension on the series. Lucky Leon, and the *real* first date. Lots of great scenes including the Mask spoof with the Salsa music. Whine, Whine, Whine as mentioned by many, is an exceptional episode all around. Lois burned all her bridges for Clark ;) Also loved the C-SPAN shot while the Nature Station described spineless dung beetles Bolt from the Blue, very funny episode and it owes a lot to actor Leslie Jordan who played Waldecker aggrevating without being too annoying I used to feel, like Genevieve, that Clark had a lot of nerve telling Waldecker what he could and couldn't do with the power, but it became clear that Clark viewed the powers as representing Superman regardless of who possessed them and so he was very protective of that. That might sound square, but that's so... Clark ;) Lastly, Tempus Fugitive. Probably the single best episode all around, especially if you want an episode to show someone who is unfamiliar with Lois and Clark and what the series is all about. It is a very charming episode and introduces my all time favorite villain, Tempus, and began the history of pairing him with HG Wells. Not to mention the episode served as a nice tribute to several time travel films like Time After Time, The Time Machine and Back to the Future. A great deal of detail is given the episode right down to the sculpture in the park being titled "Infinity". On to third season, and *finally* Lois knowing the secret ;) I loved in We Have a Lot to Talk About where Lois and Clark are working together using his super powers as a team to defuse the bomb. It just gets me every time when Lois whispers, "Clark, if you can hear me, say my name." A very small thing, but a thing that changed everything else ;) Ordinary People, one of my favorite favorite episodes. So much insight into the characters. Clark is high on finally having Lois in on his secret and just downright crazy in love with Lois. Lois is trying to adjust to Clark, the *real* Clark, the one who isn't a farm boy from Kansas... well he is, but via the planet Krypton ;) It's the first time Lois sees Clark hurting from exposure to Kryptonite (as Clark, not Superman), and there's nothing she can do for him but hurt with him. And while When Irish Eyes are Killing isn't a favorite, I loved Clark suffering a little testosterone poisoning and doing male posturing against Patrick Also loved the final scene between Lois and Clark where Lois loves Clark so much, and it would be easy to give in and accept his "near" apology, but she can't. This leads to Just Say Noah, more great insight and a cabin-clearing make-up scene ;) Also, I enjoy Lois and Jimmy skulking around together, and Jimmy's great "confession" That brings me up to speed with Don't Tug on Superman's Cape and Ultra Woman. Two of my favorite episodes. DTOSC because it introduced Dr. Klein, had some great spoofs and showed Lois interacting with Clark and his parents in their private world as a real family, and Ultra Woman for a variety of reasons. UW showed that Clark was meant to be a hero, powers or not, and that Lois, though not born to the role of hero like Clark, would make sure the good works of Superman would continue, even if in the guise of Ultra Woman. Clark's bravado against the volatile Newtrich sisters was also great. "Hey, you.. in the dime store dress." The episode is also very sensual, but in subtle, small ways. Rounding out my faves from 3rd season would be Tempus Anyone. I loved the introduction of the Alternate Metropolis and Clark Kent. Also loved seeing Lois recreate her hero there. INPY, even though it didn't lead to a real wedding, it did have real moments between Lois and Clark, and my favorite is their private toasts to each other. Home Is Where the Hurt is, where the "bond" between Lois and Clark became real, and pulled Clark back from death is also a favorite. Lastly, the NK arc/finale. There was a lot in the way of "payoff" here. Lois, who started her relationship with Clark calling him a "hack from nowheresville" and that she didn't need a partner, had reached a point in Big Girls Don't Fly where she had come to love Clark so much, the thought of facing tomorrow without him made her shake. They decided together to do what they felt was the "right thing", even though the "right thing" served only to break their hearts. It's really astounding to me how much Lois and Clark grew as a man and woman and as a couple to this point. Okay, let me hurry to and through 4th season since I've gotten real long- winded here (no surprise ;) Great end to the NK arc. Lois remained Clark's partner throughout, even if he was Lord Kal-El ;) They finally get married and in Brutal Youth, Clark is charming as a husband who is high on being a husband ;) Nice insight with the "moments" versus "years" talk and L&C find that their sexual appetite for each other is a bit tougher to quench even after two solid weeks attempting to do so ;) People Vs Lois Lane and Dead Lois Walking. Very nice scenes between Lois and Clark and the intriguing notion that 'Superman' is difficult to keep on the straight and narrow if Lois is in jeopardy. This theme recurs in Meet John Doe where Clark promises Tempus that if anything happens to Lois, Tempus will see his "ethics" disappear. It's in 4th season that Clark becomes so confident. Maybe finally marrying Lois made him feel he could accomplish anything Lois & Clarks marks the return of Alternate Clark Kent. Great job by Dean and Teri in this one. Lots of sexual tension and scenes that range from humorous to poignant. Even hope left open that the alternate Clark would find his Lois with HG Wells' help. AKA Superman, hilarious episode, happily like the best eps, not much villain, and an episode that highlighted Justin's comic timing along with Dean and Teri's. Sex, Lies and Videotape, an episode that answered the question that a lot of fans asked "what would happen if Lois and Clark got careless while Clark was in the Superman costume" ;) One caveat though, *never* choose Superman as your charades partner ;) Those are most of my main, fave eps, but there's a lot of smaller classics I love too, like Man of Steel Bars, because Clark has come to mean as much to Lois on an emotional level as Superman, or Metallo, where Lois discovers that the things that attract her to Superman are the very qualities that Clark possesses. Individual Responsibility, a big step for both Clark and Lois, and Clark promising not to disappear on their date. And the Answer is, the supreme sacrifice from Lois, and they both acknowledge their love for each other in the episode. The Dad Who Came in From the Cold, and Lois assuring Clark that he'll be a good father. Never on Sunday, Lois slipping her engagement ring to Clark to protect him, and the rarity of a villain who is after Clark instead of Lois or Superman. The Lex Files trilogy of episodes, very well done and led to the "can they or can't they" have a baby subplot. Oh well, I better stop here before I hit the AOL post limit ;) Zoomway@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:41:56 -1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: Re: title of fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pam Jernigan wrote: > >>I believe that's "In A Child's Name" by Delaney (this is off the top > of > my head but now you have something to check on the archive :-) and I > also > believe that it is eligible. At least I hope it is, 'cause I > nominated it<< You know, that sounds like the title! Thanx a lot pam!:) jme ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:41:42 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: PJ Piasecki Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This 'Naughty Nanny' person has been quite the busy little bee - he/she has also plagiarized.....heck, stolen - lets call it what it is.....several x- files stories. And very well known ones. One is particular that has been a fan favorite since it was was first posted. You know - a newbie writes in and says "What should I read?" and immediately, 8 or 9 people suggest this story. I checked out the NN site, ran across this story, and recognized it from the first line. He/She had merely substituted Max and Fran for Mulder and Scully, and made a couple of small changes in the wording of one of two sentences. But it was Karen Rasch's story. Piper ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:11:41 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: title of fanfic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain >Yeah, it's eligible and it's called "In a Child's Name" (I think). I have a question too. On the list of eligibles is Zoomway's "Always Something There to Remind Me". I believe that won last year so how can it be eligible again? Rachel > >Silly me, I've started reading a great story only I don't know if it is >eligible for this years kerth awards cuz I printed it out minus the >title and author accidently and I didn't save it in my computer. Its >about Lois and Clark (of course!) at the time when Lois know's of his >secret,but she hasn't given in and accepted him yet. They got in a car >wreck and she finds a dead guy in the ditch. It has something to do with >a child custody battle over a little girl named Ka. Her daddy has >murdered her uncle and put her mom in an insane asylum. > >sound familiar anyone? I would like to know if what I'm reading is >eligible for Kerths this year. > >thanx! >jmeS8-)] ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:44:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Ernst Subject: Zoomway's Ultra Survey response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aaaack Zoomway!! Your response to my Ultra Survey was so thorough and descriptive that, if I didn't have a term paper and a billion other things to do today, I'd lock my door and watch L&C all day! I think that I'll be taking ALL of my tapes home during Spring Break, for an extended private viewing party. I hope my family and friends were not counting on spending much quality time with me!! Thanks so much for pointing me back to so many classic episodes. I have so little time to watch Lois and Clark (my roommate is one of those people who just doesn't understand), so I usually pick about five favorites and only watch them when I have a few minutes here and there. Now my list of episodes to re-watch and fanfics to read is growing so long that I'll probably never catch up. But it'll be fun trying! So anyway, thanks to everyone who answered my Ultra Survey. I'm having a ton of fun hearing everyone's favorite episodes. I think that by the time everyone responds, every ep will have been mentioned (well, maybe not Supermann -- it has Nazis and a not-happy ending!). I can't fly! Run! Rachel ernst@hanover.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:34:02 -0700 Reply-To: erink@ida.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: title of fanfic In-Reply-To: <19990214151141.22465.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rachel wrote: > I have a question too. On the list of eligibles is Zoomway's "Always >Something There to Remind Me". I believe that won last year so how can >it be eligible again? Yes, it did win last year, and no, it is *not* eligible this year. (For those of you who nominated it, you might want to send a new nomination in to me to substitute for that story) When I originally posted the list of fanfics submitted to the fanfic archive last year on my eligibles website, this story had slipped past us and got posted on my page. I had someone email me almost immediately to point it out the mistake, so I went more carefully through the list and took off a couple other stories that I'd overlooked, as well. Then I uploaded a newer version of the eligibility list. I've mentioned several times on the list that there is a NEW version of the list, so for those of you who still have that old list, please go check out the new one. Hope this helps! Erin :) _________________ erink@ida.net ELK on IRC It's Kerth Awards time!! Visit my 1999 Official Kerth Awards Website! http://www.ida.net/users/davek ***** NOMINATE YOUR FAVORITE FANFIC! http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/kerth-nom.html ***** "No one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now, as they happen." _________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:41:28 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> quite a tizzy lately over plagerized fanfiction, specifically, one author calling herself "Naughty Nanny" (on a geocities address) who stole the stories of several Star Trek and a couple of Lois & Clark authors << Demi, This is quite alarming ... do you know which L&C authors/stories have been ripped off? I visited the site earlier today (it was up at that point) but I really couldn't bring myself to read any of the stories. I enjoy watching the sitcom, but the thought of plagerized fanfic just turned my stomach. I mean, Lois & Fran are *nothing* alike in characterization! Simply changing names wouldn't begin to make a story "fit"... PJ I wonder about that myself, Pam. But then who ever said these guys had brains? Anyone who steals someone else's story and posts it on their web site in full view of the world must reckon to being rumbled at some point. Surely sooner rather than later. Personally, I often think half the fun for them is the furore they cause when they're discovered. It can't honestly be because they reckon they'll get away with it. I didn't read any of the stories on the site either. The only titles I recognized where those cited in an earlier post as being XF fics, retitled by NN. But I did wonder when this thread first appeared if this was who ripped off Debz Manning, who has just folded her site due to 'word for word plagarism' of one of her nfic stories. May not be (but we all hope it is, otherwise we've got two of the little maggots out there), but if so then that's the only LNC author that I'm aware of so far. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:37:20 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Maggie Subject: eligible fics? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is Cruise Control eligible this year? I just saw the list last night and it still had Always something there to remind me, which of course, I went ahead and nominated what a great story! It was worth it to make the mistake of nominating it again just to go back and re-read some awesome scenes :o) Now I have to figure out what to nominate in it's place! Oh, well it's a tough job this Blue Ribbon Panel gig Maggie, Kerth Groupie #1 who has just named American Airlines ABC's official carrier--I think an airline with no pilots suits them perfectly maggie13@bellsouth.net (aka supermags on IRC) Each friend represents a world in us, a world possibly not born until they arrive, and it is only by this meeting that a new world is born. ~Anais Nin ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:23:20 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mandy Crustner Subject: Re: Zoomway's Ultra Survey response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rachel wrote: >So anyway, thanks to everyone who answered my Ultra Survey. I'm >having a ton of fun hearing everyone's favorite episodes. I think >that by the time everyone responds, every ep will have been mentioned >(well, maybe not Supermann -- it has Nazis and a not-happy ending!). But, we get the "are you thinking what I'm thinking" off camera roll on the floor and Jimmy Interuptus :) So, that episode is almost worth watching everytime too :) Mandy :) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:41:48 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pat Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LabRat wrote: >I wonder about that myself, Pam. But then who ever said these guys had >brains? Anyone who steals someone else's story and posts it on their web >site in full view of the world must reckon to being rumbled at some point. >Surely sooner rather than later. Personally, I often think half the fun for >them is the furore they cause when they're discovered. It can't honestly be >because they reckon they'll get away with it. This is probably incredibly naive on my part, but would sending messages of complaint to the individual's ISP, noting the violation of copyright (I believe that current copyright law says something about implied copyright being in force on written materials if the author states the material is his/hers when it is first published or posted) get the site shut down? After hearing what happened to Anne's site this weekend (and Anne was in compliance with copyright!) I'm guessing that allegations of copyright violation must be a sensitive issue for most providers. As for why someone would steal other people's work and claim it as their own, I'm guessing that there are any number of reasons, and every one of those reasons says something very negative about the thief. Pat peabody@mcs.com pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:11:34 -1000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jamee Jones Subject: Re: title of fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pam Jernigan wrote: > >>I believe that's "In A Child's Name" by Delaney (this is off the top > of > my head but now you have something to check on the archive :-) and I > also > believe that it is eligible. At least I hope it is, 'cause I > nominated it<< > Well, I finally got a chance to go and look, and YES it is eligible! I'm not done with it yet, but it is very good so far!! :) jme....who's gonna go finish that fic right now! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:53:44 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sue Modolo Subject: Plagerism/Stealing Fan Fictions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain I have been sitting back these last few days and reading all this stuff about this person stealing these fan fictions. How low can someone go. You guys have done a great jobs in your fanfics and I have enjoyed reading them since October. And who does this person think he/she is, stealing these and passing the hard work off as theirs? Does that person not have any morals or conscience? Sue ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:03:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: eligible fics? Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 re: Best Elseworld, Maggie wrote: >> Now I have to figure out what to nominate in it's place! Oh, well it's a tough job this Blue Ribbon Panel gig << I'm sure you're up to the task, Maggie And I just wanted to take this opportunity to remind everyone that both S5 and TUFS did an alternate-Clark episode, and both of those eps are worth a look :-) -- t= he TUFS ep is a 2-parter: Then Came You/Two Become One by Jeff Brogden; Kath= y Brown did the S5 ep, titled Through the Looking Glass. >> Maggie, Kerth Groupie #1 who has just named American Airlines ABC's official carrier--I think an airline with no pilots suits them perfectly << LOL! PJ !^NavFont02F02140022MGHHGeMGgHG7AMG7CHH8EMH90HITMIVHI\623E Pam Jernigan (jernigan@compuserve.com) ChiefPam on the IRC ~~~~~ It's KERTH time! Read all about it at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html ~~~~~ Read L&C Season 6 (S6) at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ (I'd turn off the NavFont garbage if I could ) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:04:38 -0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LabRat Subject: Re: Site Problems/Plagerism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat wrote: >This is probably incredibly naive on my part, but would sending >messages of complaint to the individual's ISP, noting the violation of >copyright (I believe that current copyright law says something about >implied copyright being in force on written materials if the author >states the material is his/hers when it is first published or posted) >get the site shut down? After hearing what happened to Anne's site >this weekend (and Anne was in compliance with copyright!) I'm guessing >that allegations of copyright violation must be a sensitive issue for >most providers. > >As for why someone would steal other people's work and claim it as >their own, I'm guessing that there are any number of reasons, and >every one of those reasons says something very negative about the >thief. > Not naive, Pat - personally, I'd urge anyone interested in reading and writing fanfic to do so. If we don't band together against these people, we may find fewer fanfic to read in the future as authors are understandably spooked from trusting their hard work and effort to the net. How to do it though? I couldn't find any way to contact Geocities unless it was to a/ join them or b/ fill in a helpline form, which required my members details. And since I'm not a member...... If anyone knows a contact address I'd be delighted to hear from them. LabRat :) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:30:37 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: eligible fics? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-14 17:11:14 EST, jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM writes: << And I just wanted to take this opportunity to remind everyone that both S5 and TUFS did an alternate-Clark episode, and both of those eps are worth a look :-) >> Yes, and don 't forget Margaret Brignell's series "Only You" about the alt- Clark's growing up... --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:05:24 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melissa Day Hall Subject: Re: eligible fics? In-Reply-To: <519fd788.36c76aad@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >In a message dated 99-02-14 17:11:14 EST, jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM writes: > ><< And I just wanted to take > this opportunity to remind everyone that both S5 and TUFS did an > alternate-Clark episode, and both of those eps are worth a look :-) >> > >Yes, and don 't forget Margaret Brignell's series "Only You" about the alt- >Clark's growing up... > Yes, but the first of the If Only trio (at least it's a trio so far ;) was posted to Margaret's site in December '97, but didn't hit the Archive until June 21st, '98. So- is it eligible? (I'm calling the whole If Only thing eligible for the Best Non Season Story, but that's just me being stubborn. ;) Misha (mhall@sound.net) - - - - - "Writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank piece of paper until drops of blood form on your forehead." -- Gene Fowler ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:19:58 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel TenHaaf Subject: Re: Zoomway's Ultra Survey response Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain > I think >that by the time everyone responds, every ep will have been mentioned >(well, maybe not Supermann -- it has Nazis and a not-happy ending!). > >I can't fly! Run! >Rachel > >ernst@hanover.edu > >Hey, there are funny scenes in that too. I like the whole shoe lift thing. That's funny. There, I've mentionned that too. Rachel > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:57:17 -0400 Reply-To: ruthlg@apk.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ruth Link-Gelles Subject: Re: Zoomway's Ultra Survey response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hi All > > >I think > >that by the time everyone responds, every ep will have been mentioned > >(well, maybe not Supermann -- it has Nazis and a not-happy ending!). I just have to respond to this. I really enjoyed this episode. I think that it had a very interesting and refreshing A-Plot (not to mention some funny B-Plot scenes). it was also nice to not have the happy (sometimes corny) ending that every episode of every show on TV has. OF corse on L&C that's not a bad thing. I wouldn't rate this as one of my favorites, but I do think it was well written and showed the characters having to deal with something totally new and outside their happy ending world. Ruth ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:26:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: eligible fics? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:05 PM 2/14/1999 -0600, Misha (mhall@sound.net) wrote: >Yes, but the first of the If Only trio (at least it's a trio so far ;) was >posted to Margaret's site in December '97, but didn't hit the Archive until >June 21st, '98. So- is it eligible? It wasn't eligible for the previous Kerth's, so I'm assuming it *is* eligible for this year's. >(I'm calling the whole If Only thing eligible for the Best Non Season >Story, but that's just me being stubborn. ;) Ah, stubborn. I *know* stubborn Thanks for the vote of confidence:) Margaret who is currently stuck with writer's block;p Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:25:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: eligible fics? In-Reply-To: <519fd788.36c76aad@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:30 PM 2/14/1999 EST, Laurie wrote: >Yes, and don 't forget Margaret Brignell's series "Only You" about the alt- >Clark's growing up... Thanks Laurie:) Now where did you say you wanted me to send that cheque? Margaret who has been trying to avoid reading any other alt-fic so I don't accidently plagiarize any ideas...it's an uphill battle to stay on the non-alt-fic diet though:( Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:29:51 -0600 Reply-To: alyssam@earthlink.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Alyssa Mondelli Organization: Deceive, Inveigle, & Obfuscate, Attorneys-at-Law Subject: S6: Episode 5 now airing Comments: To: loiscla@vm.ege.edu.tr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's... Hypergirl? Everyone's favorite 5th-dimensional imp is back, and what better way to distract Superman than with a troublesome daughter? Find out what happens to baby Laura - and the rest of the kids in Metropolis - in Episode 5: "Hypergirl", written by Crystal Wimmer. You can read it online at: http://tempus.simplenet.com/season6/ (Psst - if you don't recognize our special guest star, check the credits page. And yes, the episode really is up. More illustrations when my storage drive works again.) ==Alyssa in St. Paul== (alyssam@earthlink.net) Webmistress, Tempus Expeditions - http://tempus.simplenet.com "I was merely extending her a professional courtesy." "Oh, is *that* what you were extending?" (M&S, _X-Files_ "Fire")