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On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:21:33 +0100 LabRat
<labrat@DIRCON.CO.UK> wrote:

> Hey Vicki!

> Maybe you've just been exceptionally fortunate! Trust me
-- you don't *want* to know! Actually, I've no idea myself
why readers of TREK fanfic picked 'Mary Sue' as a name to
describe this genre. Anyone? <

No "official" explanation, but it always seemed pretty
self-evident. MS was the embodiment of the author's
idealised version of herself, either from the 23rd century
or, due to a standard Trek Temporal Anomaly(tm), pulled
through time from the 20th century. The point being that
she was unreal -- smart (smarter than the highly- and
expensively-trained StarFleet crew), beautiful, caring,
thoughtful, loyal [...insert rest of Scout oath, with the
possible exception of the bit about "obedient" <g>] and
generally perfect for whichever Enterprise crewmember(s)
she had her eye on.

So, since what we have is someone who is just too good to
be true, "Mary Sue" alway seemed like the perfect name --
particularly as most of the fanfic was American in origin.
The name conveys -- oh, so well -- the sticky-sweet, demure,
cloying,
will-someone-please-pass-me-a-phaser-set-on-overload
characteristics of that kind of character.

To change the subject entirely, here's an ObL&C idea: I've
been reading some Voyager fanfic of late, and I can see
certain marked similarities between the portrayals of Lois
and B'Ellanna Torres. I can just imagine Teri with ridges,
too. So-oo-oo...

How about a story in which L&C have to go to an SF-themed
costume party? (I know, I know, I read the Peter
Pan/Tinkerbell story too, but bear with me....) Lois goes
as B'Ellanna, and Clark... Clark has to go as a Triad
player from Battlestar Galactica! <eg>

Fellow gutterdwellers -- the diving board is open!

Phil
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She (they) was (were) probably blonde, too, right?? LOL I've read a TON of
ST fiction and for the life of me cannot remember a Mary Sue. Maybe I just
blocked it out of my memory. I'll have to ask my twin sister, she has a
remarkable memory for almost everything (She would LOVE this list, too bad
she doesn't have a computer).  Reminds me of why I stopped reading Danielle
Steel years ago, all her heroines were essentially the same, just had
different names, and hair and eye colors.

"Big E...." Piper, I LIKE that!

Vicki
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                In most of the "Mary Sues" I read, the brilliant and
courageous young MS would
                save the ship, but lose her life in the saving.  She would
collapse on the
                bridge and, in the arms of one of the main characters,
breathe her last, while
                all the male officers of the Big E would weep for her lost
youth and
                beauty.....sigh.....they just don't write 'em like that
anymore.......<g>
                Piper
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Hi all :)

>At 10:16 AM -0700 10/7/98, Christina Batouli wrote:
>>Does anyone have a fanfic which descibes what Lois and Clark's lives
>>would be like if the secret got out and everyone knew?  It would be
>>preferable if they already were married.  It does not matter if they
>>have kids or not.

And Kathy answered:
>Try Erin Klingler's "When You Needed Me Most".

It's always nice to know that ppl remember something I wrote. <g>  Actually,
I was thinking about Christina's question, and it struck me that when I sent
"When You Needed Me Most" to friends for first draft editing, it had a
completely different ending than what the finished ending is now.

I had originally written it as "the whole world finds out that CK=Supes"
instead of how it is now:  "because of the dr/patient confidentiality, he
only had to tell the *doctors* he was Supes in order for them to save Lois".
Maybe someday I'll use that first ending for a different fic, since it
really was interesting.  (That is, if I can ever find a way to iron out the
plotholes that sabotaged that ending in the first place <g>)

Anyway, this rambling got me thinking.  How many other authors out there had
their stories all written one way, but then when editors/friends read it
over, they told the author that the ending or the direction the story took
would not work?  And because of the editor's  suggestion, a fanfic turned
out completely different than how it started?  I was just wondering.  :)

Erin  :)
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hi im new here too, i was on it a while back, but then i moved and its
been a while since i could get my hands on a computer, but im back now
i usually just read the fanfic that goes out over this and thats about
it, but i actually have something to say.
shoot me if i'm wrong (ok dont) but i could have sworn i heard all this
talk about them breaking up, am i write am i wrong, can anyone tell me,
this information would be valuable to me, L&C is popular here, everyone
wants to know.
thanks
julie

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:32:15 -0400
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I'm sooo happy that they broke up! Yeah!!!!!!!

I'm watching ABFTB now.. " I have to go get the cheese of the month now..!"=
=20

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Hi
For some reason my computer doesn't like Zoomway's site.  It cashes
every time i open it.  To bad i'v heard its good.
Anyway I was wondering if some one could send me Jeagan's The Long
Road Home or tell me where else I could get it.
Thanks

Ruth
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From:         Margaret Brignell <brignell@CAPITALNET.COM>
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At 04:00 PM 10/6/1998 -0500, Melissa wrote:
>The first person fanfics that did grab my attention areThe True and Amazing
>Adventures of Wanda Detroit by Nekanuq (Lois...er- Wanda's POV) and My
>Adventures With Superman by Kathryn Ann Kent.

I thought both of these were really amazingly talented stories.  Just
trying to stay in character for the entire story must have been extremely
difficult to maintain.

> I thought for a moment
>Clark...Who? by Margaret Brignell was first person, but it's third person
>limited from Lois' POV.

I think that's why I admire the other two you mentioned so much.  Writing
"Clark...Who?" was hell;\  Trying to stick to just one person's POV (even
if it wasn't first person) was *really* hard!   And, for me, writing from
Lois' viewpoint was the hardest part.  I usually write from Clark's POV,
for some reason I find him easier to relate to;/

> Still- read it!

Thanks for the plug:)

I took your advice and re-read it;)  It was *way* better than I remember it
being when I finished it<g>

Right after I finish a story, I have a tendency to see only the places I
messed up and not the overall effect.  Am I the only person who almost
*hates* the finished product right after it's sent to the unsuspecting
public, only to discover later on that it wasn't so bad after all?

Margaret

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:21:23 -0400
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Does anyone know which ep. that Lois get abducted by aliens!?

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At 10:21 PM 10/8/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know which ep. that Lois get abducted by aliens!?
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At 2:23 PM -0400 10/8/98, Atcliffe, Phillip wrote:
> I can see
>certain marked similarities between the portrayals of Lois
>and B'Ellanna Torres. I can just imagine Teri with ridges,
>too.

Actually, I've been told that Teri Hatcher and the actress that plays
B'Ellanna (sorry, I'm blanking on what her name is, though I do like her in
Voyager) are very good friends.  They had their babies about a month apart,
and even named them the same thing (Emmy).  I bet they swap a lot of mommy
stories. :)

Kathy

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At 12:14 PM -0700 10/8/98, julie slisz wrote:

>shoot me if i'm wrong (ok dont) but i could have sworn i heard all this
>talk about them breaking up, am i write am i wrong, can anyone tell me,
>this information would be valuable to me, L&C is popular here, everyone
>wants to know.

I'm assuming from your message that you are asking whether Dean and Mindy
broke up.  The answer is yes.  They called it off officially in August, I
believe, but by some accounts, they split way back in June.  Dean appeared
on a talk show here on October 1, and he confirmed it himself on national
television.

Now if the "them" you are talking about is someone else, please ask again.

Kathy

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Margaret Brignell asked:
>>  Am I the only person who almost
*hates* the finished product right after it's sent to the unsuspecting
public, only to discover later on that it wasn't so bad after all? <<

No.  By the time I finish a story enough for the public to see, I can
just barely stand it anymore... I send 'em out just to get rid of them,
really; they'd probably benefit from another round or two of editing, but=
 I
just don't want to look at the darned things anymore! <g>

(And then I wait anxiously to see if anyone liked them... ah, the
emotional highs and lows of a writer...)

But when I reread them later, I do like them a lot more; they're never
quite as bad as I remember <g>

PJ

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At 09:42 PM 08/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Actually, I've been told that Teri Hatcher and the actress that plays
>B'Ellanna (sorry, I'm blanking on what her name is, though I do like her in
>Voyager) are very good friends.  They had their babies about a month apart,
>and even named them the same thing (Emmy).  I bet they swap a lot of mommy
>stories. :)

Yup, Roxann Dawson and Teri have been friends for a few years all told ;)
It's so interesting that you brought that up!

~~Demi~~
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Due to growing disgruntlement with the Lois & Clark WB Virtual Lot message
board area on AOL (a sub-forum I once lead..so you can imagine my
disappointment with them *sigh*), I've decided to give in to requests to
put up some new L&C Message board (forum) space at:

http://destinyy.com/loisclarkmbs/

These are not in competition with Zoomway's fanfic message boards, they're
not even about fanfic per se :)  They're just more 'stuff to do' for FoLCs
with spare time I suppose :)

The boards are accessible right off of the Fantasy Land Pages..(for those
of you who know what those are) .. so feel free and try things out,
hopefully there won't be too many bugs) <bg>

Happy chatting and gossiping! <wink>

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At 09:42 PM 10/08/1998 -0500, kathyb@fgi.net wrote:
>At 2:23 PM -0400 10/8/98, Atcliffe, Phillip wrote:
>> I can see
>>certain marked similarities between the portrayals of Lois
>>and B'Ellanna Torres. I can just imagine Teri with ridges,
>>too.
>
>Actually, I've been told that Teri Hatcher and the actress that plays
>B'Ellanna (sorry, I'm blanking on what her name is, though I do like her in
>Voyager)

Roxann Dawson

>are very good friends.  They had their babies about a month apart,
>and even named them the same thing (Emmy).  I bet they swap a lot of mommy
>stories. :)
>
>Kathy
>

Where did you hear this? Did they have the same doctor/Lamaze/
Mommy & Me class? They are the same age...have they always been
friends?

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In a message dated 10/8/98 8:31:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK writes:

>  Maybe you've just been exceptionally fortunate! Trust me
>  -- you don't *want* to know! Actually, I've no idea myself
>  why readers of TREK fanfic picked 'Mary Sue' as a name to
>  describe this genre. Anyone? <
>
>  No "official" explanation, but it always seemed pretty
>  self-evident. MS was the embodiment of the author's
>  idealised version of herself, either from the 23rd century
>  or, due to a standard Trek Temporal Anomaly(tm), pulled
>  through time from the 20th century. The point being that
>  she was unreal -- smart (smarter than the highly- and
>  expensively-trained StarFleet crew), beautiful, caring,
>  thoughtful, loyal [...insert rest of Scout oath, with the
>  possible exception of the bit about "obedient" <g>] and
>  generally perfect for whichever Enterprise crewmember(s)
>  she had her eye on.
>
>  So, since what we have is someone who is just too good to
>  be true, "Mary Sue" alway seemed like the perfect name --
>  particularly as most of the fanfic was American in origin.
>  The name conveys -- oh, so well -- the sticky-sweet, demure,
>  cloying,
>  will-someone-please-pass-me-a-phaser-set-on-overload
>  characteristics of that kind of character.

I first read a Mary Sue story about 25 years ago.  Would you believe that
there was on author who, in her stories, actually used her *own name* and
description for the 'beautiful young ensign'?!?  For the life of me, I
couldn't tell you what her name was but her stories always tickled me,
because
she was completely serious about them.
Piper
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From:         Sara Kraft <srkraft@U.ARIZONA.EDU>
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There's this story, half on paper, half stewing around in my head
somewhere.  I need someone who can read what I have written so far, in bits
and pieces, and give me a little feedback and a filler or two for my gaping
holes.

I'm not going to post it to the list for help, although that would stir up
a lot of feedback, because reading this part would take away the full
effect from the completed story.

I also need to warn that this is a deathfic.

Any takers?

Sara Kraft (srkraft@u.arizona.edu)
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Hi all,
This is short notice, but I am going to a collectibles show tomorrow where
they usually have LnC stuff, posters and pics if nothing else.  I have in
the
past found card sets, autographed pictures, three different posters,
buttons,
etc.  If anyone is interested, let me know and I will stock up <g>.  I'm not
out to make a profit, just cost +s&h.  (Boy, will I have egg on my face if I
come up empty handed)

For those of you in the DC area, it is at the Montgomery Co. Fairgrounds in
Gaithersburg, Sat & Sun.

Kate
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From:         Debby <debby@SWCP.COM>
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At 07:22 AM 10/8/1998 +1000, you wrote:
>... but while I'm waiting for my first hot shower in
>10 days or so, I'll have a go and tell you my thoughts on the matter <G>
>Maybe it's because we all like WATCHING Clark, but we none of us want to BE
>him?
>Or is that too simplistic?
>--
>Jenny Stosser -*- jenerate@ozramp.net.au

I think maybe some may fear writing as Clark because he is a much loved
character.
That's scary... and we so want to do right by him.

Also, Jenny, as the US media gave practically zero coverage to your gas
plant
problems down there (unless one heard about them on Art Bell's show or read
about
them on comp.software.year-2000), it looks like you have a lot of
new-sounding material
for a story: Superman works to save the city from cascading disaster all
because Lois
longs for a hot shower and the baby needs her/his food warmed up :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who knows these things...
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:40:23 -0600
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At 12:03 AM 10/9/1998 -0400, Pam wrote:
>Margaret Brignell asked:
>>>  Am I the only person who almost
>*hates* the finished product right after it's sent to the unsuspecting
>public, only to discover later on that it wasn't so bad after all? <<

>But when I reread them later, I do like them a lot more; they're never
>quite as bad as I remember <g>

I have never thought my stories were bad upon submission (or posting on my
site).
If I thought that... then they weren't ready and I'd work further on them.

I generally think: "Stop! It's Ready! It's time to move on!" and I hope
that I've
caught all the typos I've added after correcting the numerous ones all the
proofers have found (they each find some of the same ones--and each find
new ones...
argh...) (but I'm getting *better*...).

I know if I were to go back and read earlier parts of my epic, I'd think
"now
I could do write that better... and there's *another* typo..." In other
words,
practice makes more perfect :)  Since my stories are not in print (not
published)
and they haven't been awarded anything (though I'm glad readers like them),
they have not been forced into the equivalent of being written in stone and
thus unchangeable. I am free to rewrite them... if I had time and the
inclination :)
Currently I don't have the time... and I'm not unhappy with anything posted
on
my site as representative of me :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who sincerely hopes to get D22
posted on my site on Saturday, 10/10/98...
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:52:56 +0100
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>Right after I finish a story, I have a tendency to see only the places I
>messed up and not the overall effect.  Am I the only person who almost
>*hates* the finished product right after it's sent to the unsuspecting
>public, only to discover later on that it wasn't so bad after all?
>
>Margaret

LOL, Margaret. No, you are not alone. I do it every single time. Times are I
get so pig sick of seeing the current project on my hard drive I'm tempted
to wipe it entirely. This is a *very* good point at which to post it
generally. <g>  I think it's too easy to get too close, too involved, too
biased - especially if you're tweaking a lot. Once its out in the big, bad
world, it's much easier to view it from a distance.

BTW - and this isn't really intended as any kind of criticism - I thoroughly
enjoyed MY ADVENTURES WITH SUPERMAN. It made me LOL in so many places and
it's quite the best 'kiddiefic' I've read for ages. But I did find that I
had trouble accurately pinning down the age of the narrator. At times she
seemed to use words I wouldn't have associated with a young child
('courteous', for example in the first paragraph), so I figured her for
quite old, yet at others the useage of terms like Mommy and Daddy rather
than Mom and Dad seemed to contradict that and changed my mind to viewing
her as much younger than I'd earlier supposed and I was never able to
satisfactorily pin it down. I'd be interested in hearing what age others
thought she was. Mind you, I have a handicap here as I am notoriously unable
to pinpoint the ages of people and, having no kids of my own, am completely
out of touch with language development in the context of age at all anyway.
And I apologise in advance if her age was actually pinpointed specifically
in the narrative at any point and I've missed it entirely! <g>

LabRat :-)
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From:         Kathy Brown <kathyb@FGI.NET>
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At 1:52 PM +0100 10/9/98, LabRat wrote:
>But I did find that I
>had trouble accurately pinning down the age of the narrator.

Nope, not just you.  I had the same question, and I chalked it up to a
young (but talented) new writer who didn't have a story editor point this
out to her.  Once a story is submitted to the Archive, we generally just
proof for typos and other usage problems.  We don't touch the plot as a
rule, though I will point out awkward speech or "Britishisms" in an
American character's dialogue, as long as these comments are the infrequent
and fairly easy to fix.  If a story is very rough,then we just try to do
the best we can and not kill ourselves over it.  I firmly believe the
editor should not devote more time to a story than the author has!

But to answer your question, I decided the girl in this story was about
12-13.  Old enough to do the things she did (like slip away on the field
trip) but young enough to still have some kid qualities.  There were
contraditions on both sides of that age, so I pinned it right in the middle.

Kathy

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>At 1:52 PM +0100 10/9/98, LabRat wrote:
>>But I did find that I
>>had trouble accurately pinning down the age of the narrator.
>
>Nope, not just you.  I had the same question, and I chalked it up to a
>young (but talented) new writer who didn't have a story editor point this
>out to her.  Once a story is submitted to the Archive, we generally just
>proof for typos and other usage problems.  We don't touch the plot as a
>rule, though I will point out awkward speech or "Britishisms" in an
>American character's dialogue, as long as these comments are the infrequent
>and fairly easy to fix.  If a story is very rough,then we just try to do
>the best we can and not kill ourselves over it.  I firmly believe the
>editor should not devote more time to a story than the author has!
>
>But to answer your question, I decided the girl in this story was about
>12-13.  Old enough to do the things she did (like slip away on the field
>trip) but young enough to still have some kid qualities.  There were
>contraditions on both sides of that age, so I pinned it right in the
middle.
>
>
>Kathy

Ah - thanks, Kathy. That does pin it down nicely for me. I find it difficult
to accurately pinpoint kids' ages in fanfic generally anyway, as I said, so
this helps me visualize the character a little better. Which is handy as I
enjoyed this one so much that I'm sure it's destined to be brought out again
and again to be read in the future. Definitely whenever I need a good LOL!

LabRat :-)
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In a message dated 10/8/98 6:21:53 PM, rlang@HUDSON.NET writes:

<<Does anyone know which ep. that Lois get abducted by aliens!?>>

The third episode of the third season called Contact. It was the episode in
which Lois' new-do (sp?) appeared.

Jess~
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At 06:31 AM 09/10/98 -0600, Debby wrote:
>At 07:22 AM 10/8/1998 +1000, you wrote:
>>... but while I'm waiting for my first hot shower in
>>10 days or so, I'll have a go and tell you my thoughts on the matter <G>
>>Maybe it's because we all like WATCHING Clark, but we none of us want to
BE
>>him?
>>Or is that too simplistic?
>>--
>>Jenny Stosser -*- jenerate@ozramp.net.au
>
>I think maybe some may fear writing as Clark because he is a much loved
>character.
>That's scary... and we so want to do right by him.
>
>Also, Jenny, as the US media gave practically zero coverage to your gas
plant
>problems down there (unless one heard about them on Art Bell's show or read
>about
>them on comp.software.year-2000), it looks like you have a lot of
>new-sounding material
>for a story: Superman works to save the city from cascading disaster all
>because Lois
>longs for a hot shower and the baby needs her/his food warmed up :)
>
>Debby
>Debby@swcp.com
>who knows these things...

Hehe.
Actually though, now that I think about it, I rather think that Lois would
be more responsible than that and wouldn't be the cause of more problems
than we've had here.
On second thoughts - Clark could just heat the water in the tank for Lois
and warm up the baby's food with his heat vision!
On the other hand, what if LUCY had a baby (a la current happenings in the
comics where she's just discovered her pregnancy to Ron Troupe) and Lois
wanted to help her out but without her knowing it was Superman helping?
Hmmmm.
I'm not going to write this one, but if someone else wants to... go for it!
I'm happy to give any info on our
gas-no-longer-crisis-but-still-not-over-cos-we-aren't-allowed-to-use-gas-for
-home-heating-and-baby-it's-COLD-out-there!
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Hey guys!

I'm looking for some help on my latest nfic. Been trying Zoom's discussion
board, but it seems to be down. Or at least my system currently has a
problem with it registering my messages. One of the two.

Anyway......I need to know the name of an American football hero who would
have been hot and perhaps a hero of Clark's, when he was fourteen. Anyone a
football fan out there with an answer?

Hoping you can help!

LabRat :-)

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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:05:33 +0000
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LabRat asks....
>
> Anyway......I need to know the name of an American football hero who would
> have been hot and perhaps a hero of Clark's, when he was fourteen. Anyone
a
> football fan out there with an answer?

Okay, I just need to know your time frame here - if we're using 1966
as when Clark was born, that would make him 14 in 1980..... (which,
as Jon just said, would means he spent a lot of his formative years
exposed to disco---poor kid!)......

That was the tail end of the 70's, and the Steelers in domination of
the NFL.......Roger Staubach (Cowboys) or Terry Bradshaw (Steelers)
as a quarterback.  Tony Dorsett (Cowboys) or Franco Harris (Steelers)
as a Running Back.  Jack Lambert of the Steelers as *the* most
ferocious middle linebacker (defense).

Actually, for a "hero", you can't get much better than Rocky Bleier
of the Steelers as a running back who was wounded in Vietnam,
told he would never even *walk* again, and helped the Steelers
win their four Super Bowls.  He was a *major* inspiration, not
only for his guts and determination in bringing himself back to
play such great NFL football, but also for his work with
underprivileged kids and abused women--not just through United
Way and the NFL, but on his own.  A small-town (just outside of
Pittsburgh, but I don't remember where) boy, he never forgot his
roots.

*That* is a hero....... (and he wasn't bad-lookin', either!)

Barbara
(who got to actually *hold* one of the Super Bowl trophies, thanks to
knowing a woman who worked for Rocky......)

>
> Hoping you can help!
>
> LabRat :-)
>
>
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In a message dated 10/10/98 8:33:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
labrat@DIRCON.CO.UK writes:

<< Anyway......I need to know the name of an American football hero who
would
 have been hot and perhaps a hero of Clark's, when he was fourteen. Anyone a
 football fan out there with an answer? >>

Maybe Terry Bradshaw ("we make loans that make life better" ;) or Mean Joe
Greene (maybe Clark was the kid who gave him a Coke ;) Roger Staubach, Tony,
Hill, etc.

If you want more help and statistics on players of the 79/80/81 era go to
http://www.nfl.com/superbowl     All kinds of information there.   Superbowl
XIII, XIV and XV would help you out.

Zoomway@aol.com (sorry the message board area is being overhauled, hope it
won't take much longer ;)
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Thanks you guys - knew you'd come up trumps. All very useful - and thanks
for the URL, Zoom - will keep that on file for future reference.

LabRat :-)

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From:         Gillian B Tanz <aliendove@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Looking for help on a fanfic...

Hi :)  I'm a bit inexperienced with fanfic but I love to write, and read
fic, and I'd be happy to help if you need :)
-Jill aka AlienDove-
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:08:02 -0700 Sara Kraft <srkraft@U.ARIZONA.EDU>
writes:
>There's this story, half on paper, half stewing around in my head
>somewhere.  I need someone who can read what I have written so far, in
>bits
>and pieces, and give me a little feedback and a filler or two for my
>gaping
>holes.
>
>I'm not going to post it to the list for help, although that would
>stir up
>a lot of feedback, because reading this part would take away the full
>effect from the completed story.
>
>I also need to warn that this is a deathfic.
>
>Any takers?
>
>Sara Kraft (srkraft@u.arizona.edu)
>
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thanks for clearing that up, thats who i was refering to.

julie

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This is from Beth who maintains my site. Mainly this is news for the nfic
and
fanfic message board readers and users:

I have a brief announcement to make about Zoom's website. Because of
continued
and unsolveable issues with Simplenet, I will be moving Zoomway's site
sometime in the next few days. It really came down to two choices, No
fanfic/nfic message boards or move the site. We chose to move the site and
with a little help from a friend of mine (who I can't thank enough), with a
speedy cable modem, we should have this completed real quickly.

The URL will not be changing!!!! And we will try to make the transition as
cleanly as possible.

However, here is one important note. Many of you still are using old book
marks to the old site location. YOU MUST change your bookmarks from
acreativetouch.simplenet.com or it will not work. Because we are still
recieving about 5,000 hits per day to the old domain, it means that some of
you are still using it.

Over all, if you have any questions, please direct them to me because I
happen
to be the ones with the answers at the moment. On the bright side, we did
get
a much better deal on web space so if anyone needs some I can let you know
where to go on that.

Most of all I'm asking for your patience with a very frustrating situation.
I
hope you all can understand that and I hope to have you all back in business
soon. I would like to encourage all of you to use the first page of zooms
site:

http://www.actwd.com/zoomway/zoom2.htm

to see sight announcement. Its the best way to stay informed.

Beth
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I put Dawning 22 on my site yesterday...

        ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark Stories

I inadvertantly put the wrong Word6/95 version... so if you picked up that
one, you have something of a collectors item--a list of my typos! argh!
Anyhow, the real version is up there now, in Word6/95 with italics and all
that ;)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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Hi Debby,

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  I can't wait to read it.  You have such a
fine story going.  Now, I'll have dump all of my other projects for the day
and read your fanfic. Oh, boy!

Thanks again,
Anne (ACdrift@aol.com)
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At 11:52 AM 10/11/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Debby,
>
>Thank you, thank you, thank you!  I can't wait to read it.  You have such a
>fine story going.  Now, I'll have dump all of my other projects for the day
>and read your fanfic. Oh, boy!
>
>Thanks again,
>Anne (ACdrift@aol.com)
>

Thank you! I wish I could take off several weeks (even unpaid) (I mean,
unpaid
by my work place) to work on it... but I'd also want someone to do all my
home
chores and read email and all that... Someday :)  ...probably around Y2k if
things
break down but only if we still have electricity and later get the internet
back
on line... I wonder what Superman could do to encourage Y2K remediation...
probably nothing... :\

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:21:37 -0600
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Subject:      =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Aliens!=3F_=BF_=3F?=
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At 10:21 PM 10/8/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know which ep. that Lois get abducted by aliens!?
>
>********
>=A4~J=EA=A7s~=A4
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We know one alien who she *wanted* to be abducted by...
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I've discovered that in the txt version, some codes didn't translate well
thus it
would be good if readers could download and unzip the Word6/95 version
(d22-doc.zip)

For those who can't do this, I'll put up a zipped Rich Text Format version,
which
I've discovered makes sure that all the codes translate from the original
program
I used, Word97 :)  I think RTF is a lot like TXT... but smarter maybe. To
save space,
I'll probably knock off dawnin22.txt, but leave the txt Dawnin22.zip...

Also, for the confused, it will be available via email :D

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark Stories

oh: in the story I refer interested readers to a site to look at Mt.
Popocateptl.
As the mountain is frequently cloud over (drat), instead I recommend the
site for
Mt. Etna (which also includes Vulcano and Stromboli). Mt. Etna was quite
active
on the evening of October 11, 1998 :)
        http://www.iiv.ct.cnr.it/files/cam_index_etna.html
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I just finished reading the entire fifth season of Lois and Clark and I
was just wondering if there are any stories that follow up that series.
I really want to know how their lives work now that they have a kid to
take care of.  Just thought I'd ask.

Oh and on a little side note, I have been writing a fanfic of my own for
about 2 years now.  I started one rainy day when I was bored and I've
been writing more off and on since then.  I'm almost done, and I was
wondering what I have to do to get it posted somewhere.

Another side note, I must be psychic or something.  I re-read my story
last week, and it occurred to me that it followed the story line that
runs thought the unaired fifth season.  I didn't know when I started
writing that the show would be taken off the air, and I didn't even know
that there were any more fanfics, I didn't know it was a fanfic.  I was
just bored and obsessed.  Just thought you'd like to know.

Ok, well that's all I have to say for now.

Julie

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what is here kids name? Birthday?

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1998 20:52:57 EDT
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In a message dated 98-10-12 20:46:35 EDT, superjuls@hotmail.com writes:

<< I just finished reading the entire fifth season of Lois and Clark and I
 was just wondering if there are any stories that follow up that series. >>

There will be, Julie. The S6 team is toiling away... (as I'm sure Kathy will
be telling you as well)

--Laurie
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>In a message dated 98-10-12 20:46:35 EDT, superjuls@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< I just finished reading the entire fifth season of Lois and Clark and I
> was just wondering if there are any stories that follow up that series. >>

Julie, there is a second "fanfic fifth season" if you weren't aware. It's
called S5 (Season 5) and I think you would enjoy it.  It was produced and
written by a different group of FoLCs than TUFS.  It is available on the
L&C Fanfic Archive:

<http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/>

or through the S5 website itself:

<http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/>

I highly recommend it.

S6 is a project for this year that will continue on where S5 left off. We
aren't going to be as structured as S5 was, but I think you will all find
the eps worth your time. :)  We will be releasing 11 episodes over the next
9 months or so.

We were orginally going to premiere S6 next week, but due to some "real
life" technically difficulties, we've pushed that back to mid November.
We'll keep you all posted on the schedule as we get closer, but from what
I've seen/heard about the opening two episodes, it will be worth the wait.
:)

If anyone has any questions about S6, please let me know.

Kathy

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1998 23:17:04 -0400
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julie slisz wrote:
>
> I just finished reading the entire fifth season of Lois and Clark and I
> was just wondering if there are any stories that follow up that series.
> I really want to know how their lives work now that they have a kid to
> take care of.  Just thought I'd ask.

Julie,

The TUFS group is not planning to continue the saga.  We felt that our
final episode gave a fitting end to the series.  Clark not only has
everything he asked for in the pilot ("Living, working, meeting someone
-- having a family"); Lois not only has her soul-mate and a child, she
has a Pulitzer.  We worked hard to try to tie up loose ends, had lots of
things pointing back to the first season (especially the pilot), and saw
this as the series finale.  Life goes on -- Jimmy is still looking for
his soul-mate, evil (in the form of Lex Luthor) still lurks in
Metropolis, the never-ending battle continues, but TUFS came to a close
with "Full Circle : A New Day."

Jess asked "what is here kids name? Birthday?"  In the TUFS season, the
child was born on June 21 -- Midsummer's Day.  We named him "Christopher
Joseph" -- the Joseph after Joe Shuster, one of Superman's creators.  I
don't remember where the Christopher came from, but I know we wanted the
child to have the same initials Clark did.  And there is a question for
you -- just how many fanfics have used the initials "CJ" for the child?
It seems to me that it's been used more than once.

BTW, all the TUFS episodes are available on the Lois and Clark fanfic
archives.

Thanks for the update on S6, Kathy.  Coming in November?  My birthday's
in November; it'll be a great present.

An Announcement:

I have just completed my first non-LNC fanfic.  It's a Highlander story,
featuring Methos and titled "Just a Game."  I co-wrote it with my sister
(a *serious* HL fan) and it went out on the Highlander fanfic list last
night.  We've gotten a few comments, but they are all from Highlander
fans whom I don't know, and I'd like to know what my friends here
think.  So if you watch Highlander, "Just a Game" is available on my
webpage.

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Genevieve wrote:

<< I
 don't remember where the Christopher came from, but I know we wanted the
 child to have the same initials Clark did. >>

Christopher was named after Christopher Reeve.

Beth
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From:         Cristin J Whitley <ckandll4ever@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      C.J.

Genevieve asked:
And there is a question for you -- just how many fanfics have used the
initials "CJ" for the child? It seems to me that it's been used more than
once.

Their child is CJ in Crystal Wimmer's "Full Circle" (a great story, btw).
I get a kick out of this because my nickname was CJ for 8 years. :o)

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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:56:14 EDT
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I'm trying to get the hang of these combo-posts... bear with me <bg>...

In a message dated 10/13/98 1:36:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ckandll4ever@JUNO.COM writes:

<< And there is a question for you -- just how many fanfics have used the
 initials "CJ" for the child? It seems to me that it's been used more than
 once.

 Their child is CJ in Crystal Wimmer's "Full Circle" (a great story, btw).
 I get a kick out of this because my nickname was CJ for 8 years. :o)
  >>

I can't give a number, but "Faster than a Speeding Bullet" by Sheila Harper
also used CJ as the little boy's name (or was it Shot in the Dark??  Forgive
me Sheila... I know both stories well, but I often confuse their titles...
/me
hangs her head in shame).  In any case, it's the story where Clark returns 3
years later and gets to meet his son.  Geesh... my eyes tear up just
thinking
about that story.

 I think it's a natural... whether it's Clark Jonathan, Clark Jr., or Clark
Jerome.  It just fit for me.

Oh... also... okay, COUNT OFF:  #18 checking in from NEFF.  I had a good
flight, read the whole manual on my laptop, and am still so charged with
adrenaline that I can't slow down... go figure!!

One parting thought... my hubby just bought me a couple of new t-shirts:
Teachers touch the future...
Teachers: Simply the Best...
and finally, there's
There's no substitute for a good teacher...

You fill in the rest... just gotta laugh.

I miss you guys already :(
See you next time!

Crystal (who is trying to get ready for work... back to the grind)
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At 9:56 AM -0400 10/13/98, Crystal Wimmer wrote:

>I can't give a number, but "Faster than a Speeding Bullet" by Sheila Harper
>also used CJ as the little boy's name (or was it Shot in the Dark??
Forgive
>me Sheila... I know both stories well, but I often confuse their titles...
/me
>hangs her head in shame).  In any case, it's the story where Clark returns
3
>years later and gets to meet his son.  Geesh... my eyes tear up just
thinking
>about that story.

It's "Faster Than A Speeding Bullet", in both the nfic version and the
revised S5 version (it was S5's episode 4).  Lois names her child "CJ" and
she tells Clark that it was after him and the child they took care of in
"Family Hour" and the S5 two-part season premiere (the baby from the
future).  That child, of course, ceases to exist as the timeline shifts.
(And yes, I cried when I proofed the nfic version for Sheila so long ago.)

In S5, Lois and Clark had a baby girl in the last episode.  She was named
Laura Lane Kent.  She was not named after Clark's biological mother,
however. She was named after a favorite aunt of Martha's, who gave Martha
great support when she adopted a baby boy that the rest of the family had
dismissed as a cousin's illigitimate son.

The baby's gender is S5 was determined by an internet poll on our S5
website.  I was personally thrilled that it was a girl, since I felt we
needed to distinguish this baby from the CJ from the future in our
premiere, and also Lois's CJ in FTASB.  When we found out later that TUFS
were giving L&C a boy, that made it all the more fitting -- two fifth
seasons, two baby genders.

Kathy

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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:42:50 -0400
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Hi everyone
I was just wondering if anyone knows of any alternate contiuations to
the episode The People v. Lois Lane.  You know like they can't figure
out who's behind the frame up or any other endings you can think of.

Thanks Ruth
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Hi,

There is a new Featured Writer in the Lois and Clark: The New Adventure of
Superman Writer's Showcase.

I am sorry this is late being put on the website.  We had a 3 day weekend
and
everything got off schedule.

Thanks,

Annie Lansbury
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At 8:42 PM -0400 10/13/98, Ruth Link-Gelles wrote:
>Hi everyone
>I was just wondering if anyone knows of any alternate contiuations to
>the episode The People v. Lois Lane.  You know like they can't figure
>out who's behind the frame up or any other endings you can think of.

Nope, doesn't ring any bells.

Kathy

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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:44:23 -0600
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Lately people have been writing to me asking why their password to Zoom's
Nfic site doesn't work.

Beats me.

I don't have anything to do with that site--I haven't even had time to
visit and have a tremendous backload of stories already to read. What I do
is distribute ads for the stories and a few other things--no web site work.

I'm sure the website is full of wonderful stories... but if it's not
working, you might want to write to Zoomway about it :)

Debby
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Oooookaaayyy.......you got me. I've finally figured out that prefacing your
post with OT means 'Off Topic'. Right. Gotcha. But.......my brain's spasmed
trying to work out what prefacing it with TAN means.

I know....something obvious undoubtedly. But, please, someone put me out of
my misery. And, while you're at it, the URL to an Internet Dictionary might
not go amiss either!

LabRat :-)

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TAN means Tangent labrat =)

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> From: LabRat <labrat@DIRCON.CO.UK>
> To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> Subject: Village Idiot Alert!!!
> Date: Thursday, 15 October 1998 8:53
>
> Oooookaaayyy.......you got me. I've finally figured out that prefacing
your
> post with OT means 'Off Topic'. Right. Gotcha. But.......my brain's
spasmed
> trying to work out what prefacing it with TAN means.
>
> I know....something obvious undoubtedly. But, please, someone put me out
of
> my misery. And, while you're at it, the URL to an Internet Dictionary
might
> not go amiss either!
>
> LabRat :-)
>
>
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At 11:53 PM 10/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Oooookaaayyy.......my brain's spasmed
>trying to work out what prefacing it with TAN means.

TAN stands for tangent (just like in trigonometry--remember tan x?), which
means that this subject has only the smallest connection to the purpose of
the list (just like a line tangent to a curve touches the curve at only one
point).  Often, TAN topics started as something appropriate to list
discussions but ended out following a tangent line somewhere into
cyberspace, far from the original topic.

Sheila
(as you may have guessed, I teach math as well as English :)
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Good Lord, trish - you were quick off the mark! Thanx!! (Knew it'd be
something obvious. Sheesh......) - LabRat :-)

>TAN means Tangent labrat =)
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>> From: LabRat <labrat@DIRCON.CO.UK>
>> To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>> Subject: Village Idiot Alert!!!
>> Date: Thursday, 15 October 1998 8:53
>>
>> Oooookaaayyy.......you got me. I've finally figured out that prefacing
>your
>> post with OT means 'Off Topic'. Right. Gotcha. But.......my brain's
>spasmed
>> trying to work out what prefacing it with TAN means.
>>
>> I know....something obvious undoubtedly. But, please, someone put me out
>of
>> my misery. And, while you're at it, the URL to an Internet Dictionary
>might
>> not go amiss either!
>>
>> LabRat :-)
>>
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>> ....Dawson Rambo..
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Hey Sheila!

>At 11:53 PM 10/14/98 +0100, you wrote:
>>Oooookaaayyy.......my brain's spasmed
>>trying to work out what prefacing it with TAN means.
>
>TAN stands for tangent (just like in trigonometry--remember tan x?)

Do I remember tan x? Not if I can help it, Sheila! Being a numerical
dsylexic......uh, dyslexic <g>......I can hardly remember my times tables or
write down telephone numbers without getting confused.....and anything else
my brain wasn't structured to accept as reality. Scully has trouble
believing in aliens......I have trouble accepting the possibility that maths
exists in the real world. ;-)

Thanks for the help! LabRat :-)
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:37:51 -0400
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this probably might be the umbest question that anyone here has ever heard..
but WHAT IS ZOOM? Help? everybody talks about it, now I'm confused!
>

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yat another question it kind of O.T how old is everyone? This is a dumb
question isn't it? oh well ~I'm 15=20

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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:42:46 EDT
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In a message dated 98-10-14 19:37:29 EDT, rlang@HUDSON.NET writes:

<< this probably might be the umbest question that anyone here has ever
heard..
 but WHAT IS ZOOM? Help? everybody talks about it, now I'm confused! >>

ROTFL!!!

Ok, Zoom, you can answer for yourself, I guess...

The mysterious Zoomway <g> will soon speak.

--Laurie (who is *way* older than 15)
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:47:32 -0500
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At 07:37 PM 10/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>this probably might be the umbest question that anyone here has ever
heard..
>but WHAT IS ZOOM? Help? everybody talks about it, now I'm confused!

One forgets . . . :)  Jess, zoom is Zoomway, the list mom for the main
LOISCLA discussion list, superfan, writer of amazingly long analytical
posts, excellent fanfic writer, unending store of L&C trivia, and all-around
nice lady.

Sheila
sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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Um, this is a really cool server and all, but it's just way too much mail to
go throuhg everyday.  Can anyone tell me how to get off? Thanks.
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In a message dated 10/14/98 6:48:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<< One forgets . . . :)  Jess, zoom is Zoomway, the list mom for the main
 LOISCLA discussion list, superfan, writer of amazingly long analytical
 posts, excellent fanfic writer, unending store of L&C trivia, and
all-around
 nice lady. >>

Is it any wonder I hire the Sheila Harper PR firm?  If they can make me
sound
good, they can make Lex Luthor sound good <g> Thanks for the compliments,
Sheila ;) For the record, I'm 'Zoom' and my site is a Lois and Clark site,
and
on that site is an nfic page and on that entry page a password is needed,
and
the green grass grew all around all around and the green grass grew all
around
;)

As to the nfic page, its message boards are being overhauled and moved as
quickly as Beth can do so.  This information has been posted here, LOISCLA
and
to those subscribed to the nfic page.

Zoomway@aol.com (Zoom, Zoomie, Zoomster, Zoomeister, Zoomo, and Xoom ;)
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>>>Um, this is a really cool server and all, but it's just way too much mail
to
go throuhg everyday.  Can anyone tell me how to get off? Thanks.<<<

Normally, if I get this type of post on LOISCLA, I just unsubcribe you, but
here's the next best thing, the list instructions <g>

You   may  leave   the  list   at  any   time  by   sending  a   "SIGNOFF
LOISCLA-GENERAL-L" command to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU

Zoomway@aol.com
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I'm 18, and I have never missed an episode of Lois and Clark until I got
to college and now I just don't have the free time.  I am in class when
it comes on.  Thank God for video tape, and thank Him again for 8 hour
video tapes, which take up way less space than 6 hour ones.

I wasn't always obsessed with Lois and Clark, that didn't happen until
mid 2nd season.  I now have several little things that my friends think
i'm nuts because I have, like my macaroni noodle that is the superman
'S' and my burgerking toy whose arms pop up when you push the button on
his back.  I have 11 3.5" floppies full of Lois and Clark photos (I
saved everyone I see on the internet, and that's alot!).  I even dressed
my baby brother up as a tiny superman when he was 6.  He was adorable!

Just a little anecdote, I remember my friends and I used to throw Lois
and Clark parties every Sunday, switching to a new house each week, and
we would sit inches from the TV screen and eat icecream.  Our parents
used to get mad at us because we were known to throw things at the TV.
<g>  We had Lois and Clark marathons, too. Wow, those took a LONG time.
72 hours, I think.  But we loved every minute of it.

Well, I have probably taken up enough of your time for now.

Julie

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In a message dated 98-10-14 20:11:18 EDT, you write:

<< Jess, zoom is Zoomway, the list mom for the main
  LOISCLA discussion list, superfan, writer of amazingly long analytical
  posts, excellent fanfic writer, unending store of L&C trivia, and
all-around
  nice lady. >> >>

Speaking of Zoom's fanfic writing......is the new one almost here??!!??
Kate (prepared to be stunned <g>)
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Hi Julie,

Welcome to FOLCdom <g>  (FOLC, in case you haven't encountered that
acronym before, stands for Fan Of L&C and is pronounced like/is a pun of
"folk")

>>  I now have several little things that my friends think
i'm nuts because I have, like my macaroni noodle that is the superman
'S' and my burgerking toy whose arms pop up when you push the button on
his back. <<

I just had to laugh at these two, 'cause I have them, too... <g>  I
remember going into the BK and asking the kid behind the counter if I cou=
ld
just buy the toy, without the food.  He looked at me as if I were insane,=

but hey, I'm not the one in the minimum wage job... <g>

I think my personal best, so far, is sending away to Kraft for the
"balancing superhero" toy - it's pretty cool, actually, and only cost me
$1.00 plus shipping and handling! <g> (well, plus boxtops, but I have a
toddler, so it's not hard to collect boxtops)

<looks around guiltily>  This isn't really on topic for this list, is it?=
 =

Oh well...

PJ
the unrepentant <g>

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