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Greetings and Aloha Wendy

Ino Ino mai nei luna           wild scud the clouds
I ka hao a ka makani        Hurled by the tempest
He makani ahai lono        A tale bearing wind
Lohe ka luna i pelekane   that speaks messages from afar

That the winds themselves have voices which carry, songs, myths, tales,
legends, news, and gossip is a poetic notion of many polynesians.  .  I
thought this chant was apropos because the last two lines, translated more
literally, say that the rulers in Pelekane (Britain) hear the tale bearing
wind.   We send to you our voices on the wind, to wish you a safe surgery
and speedy recovery.

Mahalo nui loa
The Uyehara Family ( and Cats)

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>Apologies for taking up bandwidth on a non-L&C related topic, but I
>wanted to say a temporary 'goodbye' to list members. I am going into
>hospital on Friday for surgery; I'll be there for a week and then
>recovering at home afterwards for about three months. I can access
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I am looking for a fanfic about Clark returning from New Krypton to find
Lois happily married and VERY pregnant.  A nice twist would be if if
Lois already had a son or daughter of Clark's that was concieved the
night before he left for New Krypton.

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LabRat

As one of that small band of UKers who made it to London to see BM on the
big screen (+ two very welcome USers who jopined us, there's dedication!
<grin>) you will appreciate how keenly  have been awaiting the release if
this video - definately on the *must buy* list as soon as available!!! - I
notice that Emma Norman (Barry's daughter) has it as her 'film of the week'
on release week - and I am in her prize draw for a copy, along with the
rest of you I guess!!!

Not to just send a 'me too', I will mail you privately from work with URL
etc for the German sitre that has *great* pics (and avi of that first
shot!) - my bookmarks are on my surfing machine at work!!!!

>Okay... I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes... does this review mean
>that the movie is now available in ENGLISH???  I have the german copy, and
>while he looks terrific, I can't follow the story at all.  Well??
>
>
>Crystal
>

Crystal - the film is only available for rental as yet in UK - PAL format
(but original soundtrack), so copys to buy should be out in the New Year -
we don't yet have TND to buy!!!

Still drooling

Jenny

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>BEST MEN - A Review.
>
>Beg, borrow, steal=85..even beat up a few old ladies=85=85but beat a path=
> to your
>video store, get your hot, grubby little paws on this one and don=92t let=
> go!
>
>
>At last!  Dean gets a movie with a plot, a script that made me LOL more t=
>han
>once and produced a lump in the throat just as many times as that, and
>characters you can care about. Besides Dean, of course! <g> I was in that
>bank all the way with those guys and rooting for them just as much as the
>crowd and the band were.
>
>Some of the plot and acting from the bit players is a little ropy at time=
>s
>and the scene is - as always - almost stolen completely by Brad Dourif's
>deranged Vietnam Vet who is probably the most sane person there, but Dean
>gives a wonderful performance - although I could have done with more scre=
>en

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Lois: In one lousy second, I lost my partner and my best friend. He died
without knowing. I never told him.                      - ToGoM

Wells: Destiny has blessed you both with each other. No small gift indeed.
There's many people who travel alone through, well, their whole lives and
envy what you two have together . . . greatly.          - Soul Mates
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Susan,

   You did a marvelous job and deserve to be very damn proud of yourself!! I
wish I could write that well!! Hope to read another sometime soon.

Jessie~
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> I am looking for a fanfic about Clark returning from New Krypton to fin=
d
> Lois happily married and VERY pregnant.  A nice twist would be if if
> Lois already had a son or daughter of Clark's that was concieved the
> night before he left for New Krypton.

Check out "Three Grandmothers" by Piper -- not exactly what you describe
but along those lines.  It's in the archive, I think, and also at my site=
 (URL
below).

Peace
A FoLC Named Peace
Lois & Clark fanfic and a personal love story
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/7137
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Jenny wrote:
> Not to just send a 'me too', I will mail you privately from work with =
URL
> etc for the German sitre that has *great* pics (and avi of that first
> shot!) - my bookmarks are on my surfing machine at work!!!!

Jenny!!! share!!  the rest of us might like to get to that German site =
with
the great pics too! <g>

Peace
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The last couple of posts re grammar and our pet peeves regarding same
coupled
with watching TV ads <gasp!> has helped me realize one more thing that bugs
me
about English usage. Does anyone agree with me - or have other thoughts
about
this? I was watching a public service announcement about some of the
upcoming
activities in town when the announcer made reference to "women artists".
Now,
if I understand correctly, the word "women" is a plural noun. So how can it
modify the noun "artists"? IMHO, he should have used the word "female",
which
can be used as either an adjective or a noun - female artists. How does "men
artists" sound? Just as wierd to me!

Debra G

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Hey :)

I have the link to Michael Toman's Austrian site on my page :)  It has
instructions on how to get there too since his site is in German :)

http://members.aol.com/casusan/lcsites.html

I will be updating it soon with more sites and adding the fanfic pages
sent to me :)

ENJOY!

Susan

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> Jenny wrote:
> > Not to just send a 'me too', I will mail you privately from work
with URL
> > etc for the German sitre that has *great* pics (and avi of that
first
> > shot!) - my bookmarks are on my surfing machine at work!!!!
>
> Jenny!!! share!!  the rest of us might like to get to that German
site with
> the great pics too! <g>
>
> Peace
>

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"Truth, justice, and the North American way."  I am going out on a limb here
and suggesting that this is the line Dean ad-libbed?
Was it just me or did the bed scene with V. Williams look suspiciously like
the opening scene of Brutal Youth? lacking the ceiling effect, of course.

It wasn't as stupid as I expected, but not as good as I wanted it to be.
Any
opinions?
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>Was it just me or did the bed scene with V. Williams look suspiciously like
>the opening scene of Brutal Youth? lacking the ceiling effect, of course.

No, it wasn't just you, I noticed this too.  It also seemed to me that Dean
had a few other lines that were straight out of Lois & Clark (of course, I
can't think of any examples at the moment).  Although, it could have just
been that I was looking for them. ;)

>It wasn't as stupid as I expected, but not as good as I wanted it to be.
Any
>opinions?

I must admit, the plot wasn't all that thick and it seemed to me that there
were a few loose ends (e. g. What was going on with the Hawaiian girl with
the eye-patch and her coach?  Did anyone else understand that?).  However,
after a long, intellectually challenging week, the superficial plot,
constant action, and happy ending were exactly what I needed!  Overall, I'd
say I loved it!

Karen :)
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Karen wrote:

>>Was it just me or did the bed scene with V. Williams look suspiciously
like
>>the opening scene of Brutal Youth? lacking the ceiling effect, of course.
>
>No, it wasn't just you, I noticed this too.  It also seemed to me that Dean
>had a few other lines that were straight out of Lois & Clark (of course, I
>can't think of any examples at the moment).  Although, it could have just
>been that I was looking for them. ;)
>
>>It wasn't as stupid as I expected, but not as good as I wanted it to be.
Any
>>opinions?
>
>I must admit, the plot wasn't all that thick and it seemed to me that there
>were a few loose ends (e. g. What was going on with the Hawaiian girl with
>the eye-patch and her coach?  Did anyone else understand that?).  However,
>after a long, intellectually challenging week, the superficial plot,
>constant action, and happy ending were exactly what I needed!  Overall, I'd
>say I loved it!
>
>Karen :)

I agree, Karen, and I think the script may have been written with Dean in
mind and the familiar references were there to interest him in doing the
role.

In the story, he's the most powerful athlete in the world coming off a
previously very successful career and at odds with the press, (most popular
athlete in this case), in love with a crusading and beautiful journalist,
has the the line about truth and justice, and about being 1/4 Hawaiian,
instead of Japanese.  Bill Smitrovich was in Life Goes On and the Hawaiian
ep was on the same day showcasing Dean on PAX.  The part about the blond,
worried about her popularity dumping him proved prophetic(?)

Actually, I think Dean was very graceful about how he handled questions
about Mindy on R&KL, saying that she's wonderful even though he later
looked a little upset talking about it.

By my count, Dean was on four different broadcasts yesterday.  If anybody
has the radio or MTV stuff on tape, please e-mail me privately if I can get
copies, thanks.

The whole movie had that "lets spin off a series" quality and I think Dean,
with this movie and Dogboys, has shown that he's good at picking vehicles
for himself that show off his talents.   I am also really glad to hear
about the deal he's made to act, direct, write and produce.  It is exactly
what I thought he should do and what I hoped he would do.  (Was I sending
him psychic messages?) I see him as a Michael Landon of the current time.
He can do it all and he should.  I just hope he gets the tender moments in
there like in FutureSport, because he's really good at those kinds of
scenes and Dogboys had almost none.

Carolyn
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At 12:46 PM -0400 10/2/98, Karen Ward wrote:
>>Was it just me or did the bed scene with V. Williams look suspiciously
like
>>the opening scene of Brutal Youth? lacking the ceiling effect, of course.
>
>No, it wasn't just you, I noticed this too.  It also seemed to me that Dean
>had a few other lines that were straight out of Lois & Clark (of course, I
>can't think of any examples at the moment).  Although, it could have just
>been that I was looking for them. ;)

The one with VW at his house, when he's making them dinner.  He says
something like "you, the fearless news reporter?".  I smiled. :)   And yes,
I got L&C flashbacks in that love scene, too.

I really enjoyed VW doing all the kicks at the end, and especially the line
"I came here to save you, and you ended up saving me. C'mere. (for a kiss)"
Awwww.  I liked that ending. :)

As for the kicks, I especially loved Eileen's comment on IRC last night,
"Alex was channeling Lois Lane there."  LOL!!

As for the "truth, justice" line, where did you (Kate) hear that Dean ad
libbed that?  I never heard that he did any ad libbing .. only that he
"improved a bad line."  I guess that could mean ad libbing, but I took it
more as making a suggestion.  Hopefully the writer will tell us on that
newsgroup.  Debby, please keep us posted if he posts. :)

>I must admit, the plot wasn't all that thick and it seemed to me that there
>were a few loose ends (e. g. What was going on with the Hawaiian girl with
>the eye-patch and her coach?  Did anyone else understand that?).

The eye-patch girl had been drafted to play for that side, but didn't want
to play the dirty game the coach wanted the team to.  When they lost, the
coach tried to threaten her by saying she lost and would be punished and
she responded "no, I'm a hero.  My PI index is 205.  *You* are a nobody, a
scapegoat.  Have a nice flight home."  I thought that was a good way to tie
up loose ends -- the implication being that the public supported the
players no matter what the outcome of the game, and they were safe, even
after losing.

> However,
>after a long, intellectually challenging week, the superficial plot,
>constant action, and happy ending were exactly what I needed!  Overall, I'd
>say I loved it!

This about sums up my feelings, too.  I wasn't expecting anything serious,
and I had fun watching it.  The plot moved along; I was never bored and the
time seemed to go pretty quickly.

I thought the production values were very good -- I especially liked the
way the writer/director set up the frequent news/sportscasts to tell us
about the game.  That was a clever way to explain the game without simple
exposition by the main characters.

Dean did seem a little over the top (acting wise) at the beginning, but I
thought he settled down once he started interacting with Vannessa Williams.
He said on TV that they did the entire movie in 6 weeks, and that he had a
lot of fun during the shooting. I could see that -- he looked like he was
enjoying himself.

The only scene I LOL'ed at was when Tre became the coach and they did that
slo-mo scene of him "coaching" and the team responding with laughs and
smiles.  I kept thinking "ok, I get it .. he's being really cool, he's
making them relax, they like him, he's a great coach, but the slo-mo and
the silly hand gestures have got to go!" <g>    Over kill, Mr. Director! ;)

The only other part that had me ambivilent was the very end, where Tre
became a "player/coach".  I think the logical thing would have been for him
to have had his surgery and not be able to play anymore due to the abuse he
took, but to go on to be the winningest coach, etc.  However, it was
pointed to me that this was filmed as a Pilot, so of course they can't
pigeon-hole their star.  If the show ever gets picked up (hey, miracles can
happen ;)), I doubt it will be Dean in the Tre role, but I can definitely
see a "Bull Durham" type of show, with the has-been bringing up the
newcomers.

All in all, I enjoyed myself.  And it was *wonderful* to IRC during the
commercials ... it wasn't like coming on after a new ep of L&C a few years
ago, but it was still a blast. :)

Kathy

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At 5:43 AM -0700 10/1/98, Christina Batouli wrote:
>I am looking for a fanfic about Clark returning from New Krypton to find
>Lois happily married and VERY pregnant.  A nice twist would be if if
>Lois already had a son or daughter of Clark's that was concieved the
>night before he left for New Krypton.

Another really *great* NK story is Jeagan's "The Long Road Home" (I think
that's the title that goes with the story I'm thinking of).  In it, Clark
has been gone for a couple years, and after waiting for most of it, Lois
one day feels the bond broken.  She realizes that Clark must be dead and
grieves terribly.  A new male friend helps her through it, and they
ultimately start dating and fall in love.  However, just as he's about to
propose .. guess who shows up.

I won't give away the end, but let's just say that I wouldn't love a story
that has L&C end up apart. ;)

None of Jeagan's stories are on the Archive (boo hoo! I really wish she
would submit them!  If anyone has an 'in' with her, please beg for me!),
but they are on the WWW somewhere, at least they used to be. Anyone know
her AOL website URL?  She has written so many incredible stories.  Her "The
Concubine", another great NK story, should not be missed either.

Kathy

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Sorry for the multiple posts ... I should have combo'ed but I got this one
after I had sent my review.

At 1:38 PM -0500 10/2/98, Carolyn Schnall wrote:
>I agree, Karen, and I think the script may have been written with Dean in
>mind and the familiar references were there to interest him in doing the
>role.

The writer said that the movie was written for Wesley Snipes to be Tre
Ramzey, but he couldn't do it due to his schedule.  So, they wrote him in
as Fixx, and had Dean play Tre.  The writer said that although it was
written for Snipes, Dean was one of their first choices once Snipes backed
out.

With all the "in" lines, though, I bet that Dean was probably committed
pretty early and some of this stuff might have been rewritten in for him.
Like the 1/4 Hawaiian thing ... Snipes couldn't exactly pull that off. ;)

I would love to see a first draft of this script, wouldn't you? To see what
was added/changed.

> Bill Smitrovich was in Life Goes On and the Hawaiian
>ep was on the same day showcasing Dean on PAX.

This was a coincidence, I'm sure, albeit a great one!  I can't believe ABC
looked at PAX's schedule months ago and picked October 1 for an air date
since Dean's ep was that day. ;)

> The part about the blond,
>worried about her popularity dumping him proved prophetic(?)

LOL!! You and me both.  Hey, think the rest of it could come true ... he
ditches the blond, then goes back to his brunette former lover?  (Bad
Kathy! Bad! <vvbeg>)

>Actually, I think Dean was very graceful about how he handled questions
>about Mindy on R&KL, saying that she's wonderful even though he later
>looked a little upset talking about it.

I agree! He came off very well in that part ... obviously pained but not
critical at all.  Didn't you just wanna hug him? ;)

(Yeah, sure, like when don't I want to hug him.)

>By my count, Dean was on four different broadcasts yesterday.  If anybody
>has the radio or MTV stuff on tape, please e-mail me privately if I can get
>copies, thanks.

By my count, it was 8 things over 2 days.  The radio, AH, E! and MTV two
days ago, and GMA, R&KL, Life Goes On, and FutureSport yesterday.

>I am also really glad to hear
>about the deal he's made to act, direct, write and produce.  It is exactly
>what I thought he should do and what I hoped he would do.  (

Oh, me too!  I had heard he had a deal pending, but hadn't heard what
studio.  Columbia/Tri-Star is a big name, so let's hope we get to *see*
some of the results of this deal.

>I just hope he gets the tender moments in
>there like in FutureSport, because he's really good at those kinds of
>scenes and Dogboys had almost none.

This is why I'm really hoping we get to see Rag & Bone as a movie of the
week soon.  Dean did much better with the drama and romance stuff in
FutureSport than he did with the over-the-top arrogance, so I'm really
looking forward to seeing him in a drama.  R&B might fit the bill!

Kathy

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KathyB on IRC
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Hi all :)

If you want to see what the writer of Futuresport said when
interviewed last week go to this web page, it's in the archives...

http://www.trekweb.com/cool/chat/

He did say they adlibbed some of the lines.

Also-

If you want to write to him personally, here is his e-mail
address...he's very personable and seems to like to hear from us-

rhwolfe1@ix.netcom.com

Susan
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In a message dated 98-10-02 12:47:15 EDT, ward8120@MACH1.WLU.CA writes:

<< What was going on with the Hawaiian girl with
 the eye-patch and her coach? >>

She was supposed to be from Singapore, I think. And I did think it odd that
someone without vision in one eye was able to play this sport as they would
have very poor depth perception!

--Laurie
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The AOL FoLC fanfic archive is:
http://members.aol.com/beth012400/fanfic.htm

Jeagan's stories are here, but I can't find "The Long Road Home" or any
other story with that storyline there. :(
You may want to checkout the "Life Without Lois" story under Leslie Cohen on
that site. It is excellent (so far).

Frank Ward
fward@idir.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Brown [mailto:kathyb@FGI.NET]
Sent: Friday, October 02, 1998 12:45 PM
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Subject: Re: NK stories

At 5:43 AM -0700 10/1/98, Christina Batouli wrote:
>I am looking for a fanfic about Clark returning from New Krypton to find
>Lois happily married and VERY pregnant.  A nice twist would be if if
>Lois already had a son or daughter of Clark's that was concieved the
>night before he left for New Krypton.

Another really *great* NK story is Jeagan's "The Long Road Home" (I think
that's the title that goes with the story I'm thinking of).  In it, Clark
has been gone for a couple years, and after waiting for most of it, Lois
one day feels the bond broken.  She realizes that Clark must be dead and
grieves terribly.  A new male friend helps her through it, and they
ultimately start dating and fall in love.  However, just as he's about to
propose .. guess who shows up.

I won't give away the end, but let's just say that I wouldn't love a story
that has L&C end up apart. ;)

None of Jeagan's stories are on the Archive (boo hoo! I really wish she
would submit them!  If anyone has an 'in' with her, please beg for me!),
but they are on the WWW somewhere, at least they used to be. Anyone know
her AOL website URL?  She has written so many incredible stories.  Her "The
Concubine", another great NK story, should not be missed either.

Kathy

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From:         Jenny Mills <j.mills@NETCOM.CO.UK>
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Peace and all

Really didn't mean to be secretive - my bookmarks are on my work machine
(where I browse, it's too expensive to do that from
here!!!)................but I now have URL for all

<http://members.magnet.at/m_toman/Index.html>

Actually - having looked today - it's Austrian

Jenny

At 23:02 01/10/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Jenny wrote:
>> Not to just send a 'me too', I will mail you privately from work with URL
>> etc for the German sitre that has *great* pics (and avi of that first
>> shot!) - my bookmarks are on my surfing machine at work!!!!
>
>Jenny!!! share!!  the rest of us might like to get to that German site with
>the great pics too! <g>
>
>Peace
>
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                                        jmills@ccta.gov.uk

Lois: In one lousy second, I lost my partner and my best friend. He died
without knowing. I never told him.                      - ToGoM

Wells: Destiny has blessed you both with each other. No small gift indeed.
There's many people who travel alone through, well, their whole lives and
envy what you two have together . . . greatly.          - Soul Mates
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In a message dated 98-10-02 13:56:41 EDT, you write:

<< None of Jeagan's stories are on the Archive (boo hoo! I really wish she
 would submit them!  If anyone has an 'in' with her, please beg for me!),
 but they are on the WWW somewhere, at least they used to be. Anyone know
 her AOL website URL?  She has written so many incredible stories.  Her "The
 Concubine", another great NK story, should not be missed either.

 Kathy >>

The AOL Reading Room link still works, and a lot of her stories are there:

 <A HREF="aol://4344:113.lcrr.4682790.519032587">L&C Reading Room</A>

Roseann Buonadies
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Kathy wrote:
>None of Jeagan's stories are on the Archive (boo hoo! I really wish she
>would submit them!  If anyone has an 'in' with her, please beg for me!),
>but they are on the WWW somewhere, at least they used to be. Anyone know
>her AOL website URL?  She has written so many incredible stories.  Her "The
>Concubine", another great NK story, should not be missed either.

I went to one of my favorite sites, where there are a ton of links to
various authors' fanfics.  I did see a few of Jeagan's fanfics there,
including "The Concubine", but I didn't happen to see "The Long Road Home".
Does anyone else know of a link besides the AOL room (since I don't have
AOL...or do you have to have AOL to get to their reading room??) so I could
read "The Long Road Home"?  It sounds great!  For anyone interested, though,
the URL where I found "The Concubine" is:

http://www.rz.tu-ilmenau.de/~wi019/LCFanfiction.html

Bye!

Erin :)
aka ELK on IRC
erink@ida.net

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At 02:54 PM 10/02/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-10-02 12:47:15 EDT, ward8120@MACH1.WLU.CA writes:
>
><< What was going on with the Hawaiian girl with
> the eye-patch and her coach? >>
>
>She was supposed to be from Singapore, I think. And I did think it odd that
>someone without vision in one eye was able to play this sport as they would
>have very poor depth perception!
>
>--Laurie
>

I think it was supposed to be an cybernetic eye, given the date of 2025.

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Kathy writes:
<<Another really *great* NK story is Jeagan's "The Long Road Home" (I think
that's the title that goes with the story I'm thinking of).  In it, Clark
has been gone for a couple years, and after waiting for most of it, Lois
one day feels the bond broken.(snip) >>

Frank Ward writes:
<<Jeagan's stories are here, but I can't find "The Long Road Home" or any
other story with that storyline there. :(>>

Okay, not sure here, but I think that Kathy may be thinking of a story I
wrote which was posted on AOL.  The storyline is similar, and the title was
"The Long Road".
For those interested, the story was posted on the fanfic MB of Zoom's site a
few months ago.

~KM
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Yeah KMcstr!

I just read my mail for today.  After reading Kathy's post, I got out all of
my disks and found your story.  It's an excellent one concerning L&C and the
New Krypton saga.  Then I read your post.  Yes, you are the author!

You wrote another one that is just super: "The Love That Risks Nothing".  In
this one Clark "feels" when Lois is in danger and comes back to Earth from
New
Krypton in the nick of time.  He is feeling such guilt about the whole NK
thing.  It is such a great read.  It was written when the AOL ABC Boards had
a
fanfic Message Board.  KMcstr had FoLCs hanging on every word as the story
was
posted over many weeks.  I miss those Boards.

Have you written anything recently??  I love your style.  It was such a
pleasent surprise to see you on this list.

Anyway, the NK theme produced some wonderful fanfic.  Jeagan's "It Happened
All Summer" and sequel, "Desperately Seeking Lois" are another pair of Kerth
level writing.

Say, if there is another Kerth Awards, do we get to nominate fanfics that
were
not included in last year's competition??  Humm, just thinking of all of our
gifted writers makes me want to dive into all of my saved stories on disk.

Thanks for the blast from the past.
Anne (ACdrift@aol.com)
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At 12:46 PM 10/2/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>...What was going on with the Hawaiian girl with
>the eye-patch ...
>Karen :)

I suspect it would be very difficult for anyone without stereo vision
to play a game like Futuresport...

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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I found this on a list I'm on :) It may help you create a believable
character... Debby :)

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:17:21 -0400
From: Don <drxdon@ComCAT.COM>
To: IUFO@world.std.com
Subject: IUFO: FW: Scientific Jargon Explained
:
:

"IT HAS LONG BEEN KNOWN" ... I didn't look up the original reference.

"A DEFINITE TREND IS EVIDENT" ... This data is practically meaningless.

"WHILE IS HAS NOT BEEN POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE DEFINITE ANSWERS TO THE
QUESTIONS" ... An unsuccessful experiment, but I still hope to get it
published.

"THREE OF THE SAMPLES WERE CHOSEN FOR DETAILED STUDY" ... The other
results didn't make any sense.

"TYPICAL RESULTS ARE SHOWN" ...This is the prettiest graph.

"THESE RESULTS WILL BE IN A SUBSEQUENT REPORT" ... I might get around to
this sometime, if pushed/funded.

"THE MOST RELIABE RESULTS ARE OBTAINED BY JONES" ... He was my graduate
student; his grade depended on this.

"IN MY EXPERIENCE" ... Once.

"IN CASE AFTER CASE" ... Twice.

"IN A SERIES OF CASES" ... Thrice.

"IT IS BELIEVED THAT" ... I think.

"IT IS GENERALLY BELIEVED THAT" ... A couple of other guys think so too.

"CORRECT WITHIN AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE" ... Wrong.

"ACCORDING TO STATISTICAL ANALYSIS" ... Rumour has it.

"A STATISTICALLY ORIENTATED PROJECTION OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE
FINDINGS" ... A wid guess.

"A CAREFUL ANALYSIS OF THE OBTAINABLE DATA" ...  Three pages of notes
were obliterated when I knocked over a glass of beer.

"IT IS CLEAR THAT MUCH ADDITIONAL WORK WILL BE REQUIRED BEFORE A COMPLETE
UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PHENOMENA OCCURS" ... I don't understand it.

"AFTER ADDITIONAL STUDY BY MY COLLEAGUES" ... They don't understand it
either.

"THANKS ARE DUE TO JOE BLOTZ FOR ASSISTANCE WITH THE EXPERIMENT AND TO
ANDREA SCHAEFFER FOR VALUABLE DISCUSSIONS" ... Mr. Boltz did the work and
Ms.  Schaeffer explained to me what it meant.

"A HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT AREA FOR EXPLORATORY STUDY" ... A totally useless
topic seleted by my committee.

"IT IS HOPED THAT THIS STUDY WILL STIMULATE FURTHER INVESTIGATION IN THIS
FIELD" ... I quit!
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Anne writes:
<<Have you written anything recently??  I love your style.  It was such a
pleasent surprise to see you on this list.>>

Awww shucks, thanks.  Glad you enjoyed both stories so much.  I really do
need to remember to submit those to the archive.::::runs from Kathy::::::<G>

You asked if I had written anything else lately...  Well, I have at least
two L&C fics in progress.  But unfortunately my time to write has been
short.  I do steal moments here and there, and when they are finished, they
will likely appear here.

~Kelly
kmcstr@cyberia.com
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>> None of Jeagan's stories are on the Archive (boo hoo! I really wish sh=
e
would submit them!  If anyone has an 'in' with her, please beg for me!),
but they are on the WWW somewhere, at least they used to be. Anyone know
her AOL website URL?  She has written so many incredible stories.  Her "T=
he
Concubine", another great NK story, should not be missed either. <<

I don't know the addy for her page offhand, but I do have a link to it fr=
om
my page :-)  Check the links section.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html

She wrote a lot of NK stories, as I recall, as well as others...

PJ

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Kal-El's concubine.  Former girlscout, present reporter, future
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>> I think it was supposed to be an cybernetic eye, given the date of 202=
5.
<<

It did seem to be a little bit more than an eyepatch... actually, near
the end, when she was telling off her "coach" she quoted her PI rating, a=
nd
I got the impression that she was looking at a display embedded in that
patch, somehow... maybe it had a data link of some sort, like a heads up
display.

PJ

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Anne wrote:  (btw...hi Anne! <g>)
>Say, if there is another Kerth Awards, do we get to nominate fanfics that
were
>not included in last year's competition??

Yes, we *are* planning on having a Lois and Clark Fanfic Kerth Awards next
year!  As everyone who attended last year found it, we all had a ton of fun,
and I can hardly wait till next year's.  :)  I had just talked with Kathy
(Brown) a short time ago about it briefly, and she mentioned something about
creating a list of all the eligible fanfics.  And to answer your question,
only the fanfics written in 1998 will be eligible.  At least, that was the
plan at last discussion.  Anyone want to jump in here?  Pam? Leanne? Kathy??
:)  (Wow, talk about passing the buck <bg>)

Anyway, it might be a good idea for all you fanfic readers and/or writers
out there to keep in mind the fanfics you read so that when it comes time to
nominate and vote for stories, you'll hopefully remember them!

For those of you on this list that may be new here, and don't have the
faintest idea what I'm talking about <g>, you can go to the following sites
to learn about all the fun we had at the fanfic awards!

http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/Thm-kth1.html

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/kerth.html

Erin :)
aka ELK on IRC
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At 6:08 PM -0400 10/2/98, KMcstr wrote:

>Okay, not sure here, but I think that Kathy may be thinking of a story I
>wrote which was posted on AOL.  The storyline is similar, and the title was
>"The Long Road".
>For those interested, the story was posted on the fanfic MB of Zoom's site
a
>few months ago.

My most sincere apologies!  I was relying on memory and that was obviously
a mistake!  Thanks so much, Kelly, for setting things straight.  I'm glad
you're on the list.

My recommendation still stands -- The Long Road is an excellent fic.  I'm
glad to hear it's on Zoom's site.  (Though I still will beg you to submit
it to the Archive! :))

At 9:43 PM -0400 10/2/98, Anne Carlson wrote:
>Say, if there is another Kerth Awards, do we get to nominate fanfics that
were
>not included in last year's competition??  Humm, just thinking of all of
our
>gifted writers makes me want to dive into all of my saved stories on disk.

I'm not coordinating the Kerth's this year, though I have offered to help
with preparing lists of eligible stories.  My understanding is that we were
going to have fewer catagories this year, and that only stories submitted
in 1998 would be eligible.  *However*, that said, this would be great
incentive for you AOL authors to get your stories up on the Archive in the
next 3 months. ;) If they are submitted there in 1998 (or Zoom's site, I
would guess, though I'm speaking on behalf of the archive) they would
definitely qualify.  And I know there are some wonderful AOL stories many
of us never got to read!

Kathy

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I wrote:

>...What was going on with the Hawaiian girl with
>the eye-patch and her coach...

I guess I should have written what was going on *between* the Hawaiian girl
with the *cybernetic eye* and her coach.  I wasn't really concerned about
the "eye-patch", but I did find some of the responses interesting . . .

Gary wrote:
> I think it was supposed to be an cybernetic eye, given the date of 2025.

I 'see'. <g>

PJ wrote:
>It did seem to be a little bit more than an eyepatch... actually, near
>the end, when she was telling off her "coach" she quoted her PI rating, and
>I got the impression that she was looking at a display embedded in that
>patch, somehow... maybe it had a data link of some sort, like a heads up
>display.

Now this makes sense.  I was wondering where she was getting her info from.

Debby wrote:

>I suspect it would be very difficult for anyone without stereo vision
>to play a game like Futuresport...

Personally, I found it difficult to even pick up a pen without stereo
vision.  We tried this once in one of my high school physics classes by
covering one eye and then reaching out for various objects.  It was quite
the 'eye-opening' experience!  (Now don't all throw tomatoes at once. <g>)

Laurie wrote:

>And I did think it odd that
>someone without vision in one eye was able to play this sport as they would
>have very poor depth perception!

I agree, although I learned in Psych 100 that, by judging object size and
perspective, the brain can eventually learn to compensate for this
impairment to the point which people who are blind in one eye are able to
function as easily as people with perfect vision.  However, I doubt this
'functioning' applied to sports involving such precise coordination.  Also,
not to mention that a one-eyed person would have a very large blind spot on
one side and  believe me, a blind spot is the last thing you want to have
in a contact sport as rough as Futuresport!

I suppose you're all wondering what the point of this e-mail is.  Well, I
just thought it was amazing what sort of off-hand comments can generate
discussion!  I love this list!

Yours,
Karen :)
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Hey guys!
>
>I'm not coordinating the Kerth's this year, though I have offered to help
>with preparing lists of eligible stories.  My understanding is that we were
>going to have fewer catagories this year, and that only stories submitted
>in 1998 would be eligible.  *However*, that said, this would be great
>incentive for you AOL authors to get your stories up on the Archive in the
>next 3 months. ;) If they are submitted there in 1998 (or Zoom's site, I
>would guess, though I'm speaking on behalf of the archive) they would
>definitely qualify.  And I know there are some wonderful AOL stories many
>of us never got to read!
>

What's the AOL Archive? I hate the thought of missing out on great fanfic.
<g> I've never head of this one. Unless I have it bookmarked under another
name.

Do tell.

LabRat :-)

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In a message dated 10/3/98 4:05:26 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Kmcstr@CYBERIA.COM
writes:

<<
 You asked if I had written anything else lately...  Well, I have at least
 two L&C fics in progress.  But unfortunately my time to write has been
 short.  I do steal moments here and there, and when they are finished, they
 will likely appear here.
  >>

Just a short note to all the writers.  I really enjoy the stories and would
love to read anything you all care to write.  I will wait patiently.
(patiently who do you think your fooling)

Charlotte
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>Anne writes:
><<Have you written anything recently??  I love your style.  It was such a
>pleasent surprise to see you on this list.>>
>
>Awww shucks, thanks.  Glad you enjoyed both stories so much.  I really do
>need to remember to submit those to the archive.::::runs from
Kathy::::::<G>

Well, after reading all of the wonderful comments about your stories, I
thought I'd better find out for myself.  I just finished reading "The Long
Road" and all I can say is, "WOW!"  You had me on the edge of my seat with
a lump in my throat throughout the entire story!  If there's anyone out
there who hasn't read this story yet, I strongly suggest that you do so
right now!  You won't regret it.

>You asked if I had written anything else lately...  Well, I have at least
>two L&C fics in progress.  But unfortunately my time to write has been
>short.  I do steal moments here and there, and when they are finished, they
>will likely appear here.

I'll be watching for them!

Sincerely,
Karen :)
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At 02:12 PM 10/3/1998 -0400, Karen Ward <ward8120@MACH1.WLU.CA> wrote:
>I just finished reading "The Long
>Road" and all I can say is, "WOW!"  You had me on the edge of my seat with
>a lump in my throat throughout the entire story!

You mean there's another fanfic called "The Long Road" besides the one I
wrote?  I have got to read it!  (Assuming it's not an alt-Clark story.  I'm
trying to avoid those at the moment so I don't accidentally steal someone
else's idea:)

Margaret
who should really be revising "Only You:  Recall" but this grabbed my
attention<g>

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On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:54:48 -0400 Gary <gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU>
writes:
>At 02:54 PM 10/02/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>>In a message dated 98-10-02 12:47:15 EDT, ward8120@MACH1.WLU.CA
>writes:
>>
>><< What was going on with the Hawaiian girl with
>> the eye-patch and her coach? >>
>>
>>She was supposed to be from Singapore, I think. And I did think it
>odd that
>>someone without vision in one eye was able to play this sport as they
>would
>>have very poor depth perception!
>>
>>--Laurie
>>
>
>I think it was supposed to be an cybernetic eye, given the date of
>2025.
>
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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>
Think so?  I thought it was just her way of accessorizing <g>  Like that
guy with the half metal head and the bars over one eye.
-Jill aka AlienDove-
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Margaret wrote:
>You mean there's another fanfic called "The Long Road" besides the one I
>wrote?  I have got to read it!  (Assuming it's not an alt-Clark story.  I'm
>trying to avoid those at the moment so I don't accidentally steal someone
>else's idea:)

Yep, there's another fanfic called "The Long Road", although I'm sure this
was just a coincidence.  And nope, it's not an alt-Clark story. It is,
however, definitely worth reading.  I found it on the message boards at
Zoomway's site.

>Margaret
>who should really be revising "Only You:  Recall" but this grabbed my
>attention<g>

Oh goody!  Does that mean it's almost ready?  I've been patiently awaiting
the next installment of the "Only You" series ever since finishing "Only
You:  Promise".  I can't wait!

Yours,
Karen :)
also a Canadian FoLC :)
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In a message dated 98-10-03 04:45:38 EDT, LabRat wrote:

<<
 What's the AOL Archive? I hate the thought of missing out on great fanfic.
 <g> I've never head of this one. Unless I have it bookmarked under another
 name.

 Do tell.

 LabRat :-)
  >>

 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/beth012400/fanfic.htm">The AOL FoLCs Fanfic
Archive</A>
http://members.aol.com/beth012400/fanfic.htm

 <A HREF="aol://4344:113.lcrrss.454048.519087304">Reading Room</A>
aol://4344:113.lcrrss.454048.519087304

<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/beth012400/jeagan.htm">JEAGEN fanfic</A>
http://members.aol.com/beth012400/jeagan.htm

For all you FoLC's out there that are not on AOL, I don't know if these
links
work, but they've been in my bookmarks for a while.

Marie,
wondering if "Ya cawnt get theyah from he-ah" takes on a new meaning in
cyberspace.
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---Kathy Brown <kathyb@FGI.NET> wrote:
>
> > The part about the blond,
> >worried about her popularity dumping him proved prophetic(?)
>
> LOL!! You and me both.  Hey, think the rest of it could come true
... he
> ditches the blond, then goes back to his brunette former lover?  (Bad
> Kathy! Bad! <vvbeg>)

 I fit into the Bad Bad! (vvbeg) along with you. I've wondered(and
hoped for) the same thing for a while now even though I know she isn't
really free.?.?   Still, it would be such a WAFFY thing...    He
doesn't seem to want to talk about her though, does he?  Hmmm....

Charlotte
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At 07:47 PM 10/3/1998 -0400, Karen :) also a Canadian FoLC :) wrote:
>Oh goody!  Does that mean it's almost ready?  I've been patiently awaiting
>the next installment of the "Only You" series ever since finishing "Only
>You:  Promise".  I can't wait!

"Almost" is a relative term<g>  It's been "almost" ready for ages now. (And
will be for some time to come I think;\).  I'm plugging away at it.  This
list will be the first to know when it *finally* gets its public debut:)

Margaret
Whose muse apparently left on vacation long before she did and still seems
to be OTS (out there somewhere);p

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Subject:      Ponderings of a 15 y/o girl :)  I had a kind of a thought...

Hey FoLCs :)

I was just thinking, wouldn't it be a good idea for a fic to write from
the perspectic of Superman's teenage daughter?  Imagine that your father
was Superman!  Of course, there'd be pros and cons.  I've made a list of
stuff that came to mind:

Pros:

you'd never have to pay for airfare
no need to find a payphone
you could almost always get to the mall b4 closing
get out of jail free card <g>
alcohol probably wouldn't affect you
lots of exciting vacations
walking dictionaries are useful when doing hmwk :)
you'd definately have the best looking dad out of all your buds
he'd have trouble lying to you :)
you'd get the best presents on holidays/b-days
dr. kline could tutor you in chemistry
you'd always be safe.

Cons:

no secrets, no privacy
he can tell when you're lying
he'd probably run background checks on all your dates
he'd always be running out at the least opportune moment
he could easily ground you to Taiwan for the afternoon instead of your
room

What'd you think?  I might give this a shot... :)

-Jill aka AlienDove-
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Subject:      Re: Ponderings of a 15 y/o girl :)  I had a kind of a
thought...

<< I was just thinking, wouldn't it be a good idea for a fic to write from
the perspectic of Superman's teenage daughter?  Imagine that your father
was Superman! >>

If you're looking for stories told from the POV of Lois and Clark's
children,
there are several. One of my favorites is Susan Stone's "Aliens and
Strangers,"
which can be found in the fanfic archive. And at the risk of advertising my
own
fanfic, I wrote one called "Emptiness in Harmony," the main character of
which
is Lois and Clark's 14 year old daughter who is struggling with her "super"
lot
in life.

<< you'd get the best presents on holidays/b-days >>

I'm not sure I understand how having Superman as a father would get you the
best presents on holidays...

<< he can tell when you're lying >>

Can't most parents? ;)

<< What'd you think?  I might give this a shot... :) >>

Go for it. Stories about Lois and Clark's children are always interesting.
For
me this is partially because the way people see their parents is always very
different from the way their parents are seen by others. It's interesting to
see how fanfic authors think Lois and Clark's children will view them.

-Christy
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
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At 12:59 AM -0500 10/4/98, Conditions are dark. The forecast is deadly.
Tea, anyone? wrote:

Christy, I always know when posts are from you.  I just see a quote instead
of a name -- an always changing quote at that -- and just know who it's
from. ;)

><< I was just thinking, wouldn't it be a good idea for a fic to write from
>the perspectic of Superman's teenage daughter?  Imagine that your father
>was Superman! >>
>
>If you're looking for stories told from the POV of Lois and Clark's
children,
>there are several. One of my favorites is Susan Stone's "Aliens and
>Strangers,"
>which can be found in the fanfic archive. And at the risk of advertising
>my own
>fanfic, I wrote one called "Emptiness in Harmony," the main character of
which
>is Lois and Clark's 14 year old daughter who is struggling with her
>"super" lot
>in life.

Another cute one just was added to the Archive within the last week or so.
It's called "My Adventures With Superman" and it's a fun, easy read.  I
groaned when I read the first paragraph and noticed it was written in first
person -- usually that's a big no-no in my book. However, I kept reading
and found it quite charming.

><< he can tell when you're lying >>
>
>Can't most parents? ;)

Yeah, but most parents have to go on fidgiting and lack of eye contact.
Superman could listen to your heart rate.  Hey, Dad, cut that out!

Kathy

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>From John Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:44:19 -0500
From: John VanSickle <vansickl@erols.kosher.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.tv,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: The Normal Innocent Bystander's Survival Guide

Now it's pretty obvious that the Hero's job would be ten times easier if
it weren't for the normal human beings who are constantly wandering into
the combat scene during struggles with Bad Guys.  With reporters getting
held hostage, kids who happen to be standing at the point of impact for a
plummeting grand piano, parents worrying about psychically overactive
children, and so forth, we can see just pages and pages of unnecessary
action getting crammed into each and every tale of heroic struggle. Come
on, people. Let's just try to stay out of harm's way so that Superguy can
finally rub out the scum once and for all, eh?
   DISCLAIMER:  The use of masculine/feminine pronouns and assignment of
gender roles is not intended to preclude a reversal of gender roles. It is,
however, intended to offend those who think that Plato and Aristotle
conspired to oppress women. Nyah.

  This list is maintained at http://www.erols.com/vansickl/innocent.htm

 1. Never take on someone that has just beaten the Hero, unless it is to
distract him just before the Hero delivers the killing blow.

 2. If the Evil Overlord announces to the world that he has reformed and
wants only to help people, throw a party, and give away money; don't go.
Especially if he's playing Prince's music. If he's lying, you'll be a
hostage or a statistic. If he's telling the truth, catch the next one.

 3. Watching the Evil Overlord's interview on TV will certainly be
interesting, but do not be in the studio audience when he/she/it hosts
"Saturday Night Live." Tape it, and wait a week or so to see if any other
viewers had any seizures or mind-control problems before you watch the
tape.

 4. If you're riding on public transport and the Stupendous Seven walk onto
your train or bus, get out immediately and wait for the next one.
Especially if they're in their street clothes.

 5. If you are exceptionally attractive, stay away from banks. It's always
the buxom redhead who gets taken hostage by the bankrobbers.

 6. Do not run back to get your teddy bear or puppy.

 7. If you have small children, keep them on one of those kid leashes when
in public, so that they won't go running back after their teddy bear or
puppy.

 8. When a Bad Guy uses you for a human shield, certain delicate areas of
his body are in striking range of your heel. Go for it.

 9. If an acquaintance of yours seems to disappear everytime the Hero puts
in an appearance, rub some of those brain cells together and see what comes
up.

  10. If your child has an adult friend who frequently urges your child to
clear his/her mind, or tells you that your child has "a rare gift," set
your affairs in order. Your days are numbered.

  11. If you are a news reporter, find a happy medium between the people's
right to know and your right to not get kidnapped/held hostage/etc.

  12. If you are a policeman, bank guard, or night watchman, and the first
three shots bounce off of the intruder, do not waste the rest of your ammo
on him/her/it, or risk your neck in hand-to-hand combat; instead, fall back
and observe.

  13. Likewise, if you are a policeman, bank guard, or night watchman, and
your first shot bounces off of the intruder's chest, try shooting other
areas of the intruder's body, like their face, groin, etc.

  14. Do not attempt to duplicate the means by which the Hero gained
his/her powers. You will either fail and die a lingering, agonizing death,
or succeed, lose control of your powers, wreck half of the city, and make
it necessary for the Hero to kill you to neutralize the threat you pose to
everyone else.

  15. If you associate with the Hero, you run the risk of becoming a True
Love or a Sidekick, depending on your availability and mutual gender
preferences. The former situation will involve hostage situations on a
semi-regular basis, but chances of survival are optimal. The latter
position can be quite hazardous to your health; avoid it.

  16. If the Hero and the Evil Overlord are engaged in mortal battle, go
somewhere else as quickly as possible, before you are squished by a car,
the statue of the city's founder, or a collapsing skyscraper.

  17. If you notice that your fellow reporter can type 1,024 words per
minute, you should be able to tell that something's up.

  18. If the Evil Overlord offers you immortality, superpowers, or infinite
wealth, and all you have to do is something that seems terribly trivial,
don't. It's a trick. You will be used as a pawn in a larger game, and then
crushed.

  19. Don't try to impress your significant other by emulating something
that a Hero once did. Doing so usually results in said Hero having to come
and save your butt. And you look like a complete loser, too.

  20. When you hear reports that the Hero has been involved in some illicit
activity, remain skeptical; it's probably a frame-up.

  21. Never, never attempt to learn the Hero's true identity. Success will
get you kidnapped by the Evil Overlord.

  22. If a Superhero takes up residence in your city, a nice spacious
estate in the country will help you to actualize your potential lifespan.

  23. If you are a security guard for a vast, powerful corporation, try to
get assigned to the Marketing or Personnel departments, rather than R&D.

  24. If there's a shy, quiet kid in your class that everyone picks on,
treat him with respect and kindness. When he develops psychic powers, you
may actually survive.

  25. If you are spending the night in a spooky old house on a dare, do not
sneak away to another part of the house to have sex with your Significant
Other. Instead, wait until you can get a nice, clean, safe motel room.

  26. If you come across a body,do not walk slowly in the direction of a
suspicious noise, or stand above the body in a stunned state of shock.
Instead, call the police on your cell phone.

  27. If your Mom or Dad is an eccentric researcher, insist that you live
close to civilization so that you can socialize with your peers and date.
That way you'll be able to judge the Hero and the Evil Overlord on their
own merits.

  28. If your Mom or Dad is an eccentric researcher, insist that they
educate you in their specialty, so that you can duplicate their research as
the need arises, and excercise some restraint on their schemes should they
become mad.

  29. If the Hero says "wait here," it really doesn't matter whether you
obey him or not. If you stay, you will be captured by the Evil Overlord's
henchmen as soon as the Hero is out of earshot. If you tag along, you will
be caught by the Evil Overlord's henchmen as you stumble along.

  Know of any more?  E-mail me!  (Keep in mind the spambot protection in
the return address.)

Regards,
John
--
"He has the power to rear-project major cities!" -- Mike Nelson
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That was a hoot!  I liked that!  :c)

-Audrey
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At 12:30 AM 10/04/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>
>><< he can tell when you're lying >>
>>
>>Can't most parents? ;)
>
>Yeah, but most parents have to go on fidgiting and lack of eye contact.
>Superman could listen to your heart rate.  Hey, Dad, cut that out!
>
>Kathy
>
In VD, Clark was able to modify his vital signs, so maybe his children
could fool him...

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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:33:00 +0100
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Hey Marie!

Thanx for that! It turned out to be the site I had had bookmarked but lost
when they got transferred in the shuffle between servers. So, it's now been
restored.

I'm a little confused though. Did someone (sorry, I can't recall who!) say
that only fanfic listed on this site would be eligible for the next Kerth
awards? I'm confused because I don't see any of the previous nominees from
the '98 Awards on this site. I just wondered if that meant the nomination
rules had changed? Or have I gotten hold of the wrong stick entirely? Just
curious.

LabRat :-)

> What's the AOL Archive? I hate the thought of missing out on great fanfic.
> <g> I've never head of this one. Unless I have it bookmarked under another
> name.
>
> Do tell.
>
> LabRat :-)
>  >>
>
> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/beth012400/fanfic.htm">The AOL FoLCs
Fanfic
>Archive</A>
>http://members.aol.com/beth012400/fanfic.htm
>
> <A HREF="aol://4344:113.lcrrss.454048.519087304">Reading Room</A>
>aol://4344:113.lcrrss.454048.519087304
>
><A HREF="http://members.aol.com/beth012400/jeagan.htm">JEAGEN fanfic</A>
>http://members.aol.com/beth012400/jeagan.htm
>
>For all you FoLC's out there that are not on AOL, I don't know if these
links
>work, but they've been in my bookmarks for a while.
>
>Marie,
>wondering if "Ya cawnt get theyah from he-ah" takes on a new meaning in
>cyberspace.
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hey
Sorry if i'm slow here but how do you get to Zoom's site?

Ruth
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Hey
SOrry if you got this twice i don't think it went through the first
time.
Anyway i'm a little slow today could someone tell me how to get to
Zoom's site?
Thanks
Also did anyone notice that its only two days till Lois and Clark's
second wedding anniversery?

Ruth
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At 8:33 PM +0100 10/4/98, LabRat wrote:

>I'm a little confused though. Did someone (sorry, I can't recall who!) say
>that only fanfic listed on this site would be eligible for the next Kerth
>awards? I'm confused because I don't see any of the previous nominees from
>the '98 Awards on this site. I just wondered if that meant the nomination
>rules had changed? Or have I gotten hold of the wrong stick entirely? Just
>curious.

The main L&C Fanfic Archive can be located at

<http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/>

We are fast approaching 900 stories, so if you've never visited, get ready
for some reading.  For newcomers, I recommend first going to the "Theme"
section.  You can access the list of last year's Kerth Award winners here
as well as many other recommended stories.

Besides the AOL site that was mentioned, Zoomway's fanfic MB is another
place people post their fanfic.

For the Kerth Awards last year, the requirement was that stories needed to
be found on the WWW somewhere, so people could read stories they missed in
order to enter an educated vote.  There was a link page created so people
could find all the stories easily.  The vast majority of stories were on
the Fanfic Archive.

The reason there weren't very many (any?) nominees from the AOL site was
because most people didn't know the site was there.  Stories were nominated
by readers, not by the Kerth coordinators.  If a story wasn't widely read,
even if it was wondeful, it wouldn't have been nominated.

This is why I hope the writers with their stories on that AOL site submit
their stories to the main Fanfic Archive ... there are some incredible
stories there that deserve a larger audience. :)

Things should be a little more complicated this year now that Zoom's fanfic
MB is up.  I have no idea how many stories there are there exclusively
(meaning, not on the main Archive as well).  As EIC of the Fanfic Archive,
I can easily make a list this spring of all "eligible" stories on the
Archive -- those released in 1998.  However, since Zoom's site was put up,
this no longer can be considered an exhaustive list.

I don't frequent Zoom's site very often (I have the interest, but not the
time, unfortunately.)  Can someone tell me how much overlap there is
between the two sites?  Are there many stories in progress?  Unfinished
stories will not be eligible for a Kerth nominee.

Kathy

_________________________________
Kathy Brown
Editor-In-Chief
Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive
<http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/>
kathyb@fgi.net
KathyB on IRC
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In a message dated 10/4/98 3:56:34 PM Central Daylight Time, ruthlg@apk.net
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<< Sorry if i'm slow here but how do you get to Zoom's site? >>

http://www.actwd.com/zoomway/zoom2.htm

Zoomway@aol.com (choose the message board link ;)
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Hey Kathy!
>
>>I'm a little confused though. Did someone (sorry, I can't recall who!) say
>>that only fanfic listed on this site would be eligible for the next Kerth
>>awards? I'm confused because I don't see any of the previous nominees from
>>the '98 Awards on this site. I just wondered if that meant the nomination
>>rules had changed? Or have I gotten hold of the wrong stick entirely? Just
>>curious.
>
>
>The main L&C Fanfic Archive can be located at
>
><http://lcfanfic.actwd.com/>
>
>We are fast approaching 900 stories, so if you've never visited, get ready
>for some reading.  For newcomers, I recommend first going to the "Theme"
>section.  You can access the list of last year's Kerth Award winners here
>as well as many other recommended stories.

I fell into that site on my first day online - and thought I'd died and gone
to heaven! Still bookmarked and glad to see it still draws in some fine, new
fanfic every now and then.  Can I just take this opportunity to say thanks
to you and the other FoLCs responsible for maintaining and editing the
Archive. Your dedication to bringing us all such great LNC stories is much
appreciated. And, in fact, that goes for any other site owners/editors out
there who spend their time diligently gathering the best of LNC offscreen
for us to wallow over when we should be dusting......vaccuming......doing
the dishes.....walking the dog......hey, who let Real Life (spit) in
here......!

>Besides the AOL site that was mentioned, Zoomway's fanfic MB is another
>place people post their fanfic.
>
>For the Kerth Awards last year, the requirement was that stories needed to
>be found on the WWW somewhere, so people could read stories they missed in
>order to enter an educated vote.  There was a link page created so people
>could find all the stories easily.  The vast majority of stories were on
>the Fanfic Archive.
>
>The reason there weren't very many (any?) nominees from the AOL site was
>because most people didn't know the site was there.  Stories were nominated
>by readers, not by the Kerth coordinators.  If a story wasn't widely read,
>even if it was wondeful, it wouldn't have been nominated.
>
>This is why I hope the writers with their stories on that AOL site submit
>their stories to the main Fanfic Archive ... there are some incredible
>stories there that deserve a larger audience. :)
>
>Things should be a little more complicated this year now that Zoom's fanfic
>MB is up.  I have no idea how many stories there are there exclusively
>(meaning, not on the main Archive as well).  As EIC of the Fanfic Archive,
>I can easily make a list this spring of all "eligible" stories on the
>Archive -- those released in 1998.  However, since Zoom's site was put up,
>this no longer can be considered an exhaustive list.
>
>I don't frequent Zoom's site very often (I have the interest, but not the
>time, unfortunately.)  Can someone tell me how much overlap there is
>between the two sites?  Are there many stories in progress?  Unfinished
>stories will not be eligible for a Kerth nominee.
>

Thanks for explaining that one for me, Kathy. Well, I haven't visited Zoom's
PG fanfic for a time, but last time I was there, I don't think any of the
posted stories were to be found anywhere else. I could be wrong, but I can't
recall finding them elsewhere. The question of overlap does become very
relevant though if you're intending to include an nfic award again in the
1988 Awards as I don't think there are many sites other than Zoom's Nfic MB
(and Debby Stark's mailing list) which gathers so many nfic together in one
place. Again, I may just not have found one yet, but that's where I pick up
90% of my nfic.  And, of course, those can't be posted to the main Archive.
There were lots of works in progress on the PG site last time I visited, but
the majority of the nfic is complete. And there are some complete fanfic on
the PG MB too, of course.

Basically, I'm just glad there's going to be another set of Awards. Last
time around I was so miffed because I hadn't worked out how to email by that
point and so couldn't vote (I know, it's pathetic really) - so I'm looking
forward to putting in my two cents for all my favourites over the year this
time around!!!
>
LabRat:-)
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JUST ANOTHER MANIC SUNDAY An IRC Round Robin by
Missytoo(Missytoo@mindspring.com), Misha(mhall@sound.net),
Lansbury(Lansbury1@aol.com, Zoomway(Zoomway@aol.com),
Mackteach(Mackteach@aol.com) Eraygun(Eraygun@aol.com)

<Missytoo>

Lois closed the closet in their hotel room, thankful she'd not packed as
much
as she usually did. If she was flying "Superman Express" she didn't care,
since all Clark had to do was fly back for the bags, but dealing with
luggage
in airports and worrying about carry-on sizes was for the birds.

She felt a warm, strong pair of arms wrap around her waist. Clark quietly
held
her for a moment, just enjoying the feel of her in his arms.

"You finally done?"

She giggled. "Yes. I know you men don't ever have to worry about what to
wear,
so you'd never understand."

"Well, since we've been married, I'm definitely getting an education."

She grinned at his words, thinking he meant a lot more than women's fashion.

She turned and wrapped her arms around his neck, kissing his chin. "We have
about an hour before the 'Meet and Greet' session. What do you suggest we
do?"

He pulled her closer, and kissed her passionately. "Well, room service
should
be here in about thirty minutes, so we've got time for a shower."

She smiled at him, remembering how insistent he was on conserving water
wherever they went.

"Sounds dreamy."

He picked her up and carried her into the bathroom, the door shutting behind
them with an audible click.

On the street below, a tall stranger stood looking up at their windows, then
turned away to stroll down the crowded street. Jazz music from the band on
the
corner moved through the balmy air of the French Quarter. The smells of a
dozen different types of cooking crowded together on the breeze,and he
dismissed them all as merely atmosphere. New Orleans was not his native
land,
but it was a place where he and others of his kind could be found.

No longer a mere mortal, for him worldly pleasures were a bit dim in
comparison to the heady seduction of power. His greatest satisfaction was in
vengeance and mayhem, heaped upon the lives of those he considered to be
responsible for the loss of what once was John Hendrix.

Hendrix had been a fool, and had trusted the wrong men.  His only gain had
been the means to exact his revenge on those who had destroyed his life. Now
that it was almost complete, he wondered what he should turn his attention
to
next.

A young man stepped up to him, not heeding the warning in his cold brown
eyes.

"Can ya spare sumthin', sir?"

He merely flicked his hand toward the man and strolled by.

The unfortunate man momentarily thought he saw a gold coin tossed by his
shoulder, but as he turned to see where it landed, he was suddenly unable to
breathe. It lasted only a moment or two, but he realized that he'd escaped
with something even more precious... his life. The bocor was someone
everyone
knew about, but no one ever wanted to meet one. To look death in the eye was
a
chilling experience indeed.

Baron Sunday grinned icily. Soon, Clark Kent and Lois Lane would pay for
their
interference in his plans. Very soon indeed.

*****
<Misha>

Ralph slumped against one of the marble pillars in the hotel lobby, pressing
more wrinkles into the back of his polyester suit jacket.  He checked his
watch. Exactly forty-three seconds had passed since the last time he had
looked.

None of the women passing through the lobby spared him a second glance
unless
it was accompanied by a fairly contemptuous sniff.
Finally, he recognized someone who had to pay attention to him.

"Jimmy!"

"Yeah, Ralph?" Jimmy wandered toward him.

"Did you get that list I asked for?"

"Sure." Jimmy handed over a few sheets of paper. He wished that Ralph would
do
his own dirty work.  Asking about strip clubs was embarrassing, even in a
strange city.

"Thanks, Jim."

Ralph checked his watch again. It was still a few hours before the good
shows
started, but he could visit a few bars first and see how his luck fared. He
glanced at the list. 'Serena's Snake Dancers' sounded promising. He'd try
that
one first.

Ralph headed out the revolving doors, stumbling for a moment on the polished
brass rim of the circle.

"Was that Ralph?" Perry asked as he came up behind Jimmy.

"Yeah. He wasn't invited to any of the panels so he was going to have a
night
on the town." Jimmy tried not to laugh out loud.

"Well, he didn't sign up for any of them." Perry turned towards the panel
rooms. "Come on, Jimmy."

"What about Lois and CK?"

"They're hosting their own panel. We'll meet them for dinner afterwards."

In the alley behind the hotel, a serpent's eyes glittered in the shadows.

<Lansbury>

Jimmy and Perry entered one of the conference rooms set up by the Historical
Society of New Orleans for the visiting news people from across the country.
Each looked the crowd over as they tried to find a seat.

"Chief?  Something tells me we aren't in the 'Urban Renewal Conference'.

"Son, I was having the same thought.  Would you look over at that woman in
the
corner? She didn't have a doll with pins sticking in it, did she?"

"Yeah, she did.  I thought she was making it until I saw her stab it a few
times with one of the needles. Where in the heck are we?"

Both looked around confused.  None of the others looked like newspaper
people.
Just as they were about to leave a loud voice came booming from the front of
the room.

"Will everyone take a seat.  The lecture is about to begin."

Quiet settled over the room as people hurried to find a chair.  The only
seats
Jimmy and Perry could find were in the front row.

A tall man came forward and stood in front of the lecturer's podium.  "It is
my honor to introduce a man who is a leader in the study of voodoo here in
New
Orleans.  He has built a huge collection of artifacts dating back over 500
years, which has been on display at The New Orleans Museum of Voodoo for the
last two months.  Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Hendrix Jack."

The crowd applauded as the elegantly dressed man came forward.

Jimmy leaned toward Perry to whisper, "What do we do?  This isn't where
we're
supposed to be."

"I know. Just sit back and let's hope this is one short lecture."

The man looked over the room as the audience once again quieted.

"There are two of you here today who feel you might have entered this room
by
mistake.  But let me assure you, there has been no mistake."

Perry felt Jimmy's elbow dig into his side as the man continued.   "In the
world of vodoun chance never plays into a meeting.  I am honored to have
before me the famous Perry White of the Daily Planet."

Perry's head jerked up and met the gaze of the lecturer.

<Eraygun>

For a few disconcerting seconds Perry thought he knew Hendrix Jack.  There
was
something eerily familiar about the eyes and the posture, the almost regal
bearing of the man.

Perry shook his head slightly and stood up. "Do I know you?"

Hendrix Jack smiled a reptilian kind of smile, and moved closer to the edge
of
the stage until he was almost face to face with Perry, but before he could
utter a sound, a sharp piercing scream came from the lobby.

Perry broke off eye contact and headed for the lobby with Jimmy close
behind.

"Chief, what do you think happened?"

"I don't know, son, but I'd rather face whatever's going on in the lobby
than
whatever the heck was going on in there!"

As they reached the lobby they found Lois and Clark standing next to the
weeping hotel concierge.

"It was horrible, I tell, you, just horrible," she sobbed. "I've never seen
anything like it in all my life!"

<zoomway>

"Calm down," Clark soothed while Lois fished a tape recorder from her purse.
"What was it? What happened?"

The woman took a deep breath, and held it a moment on seeing the tape
recorder.

Lois shrugged. "I'm a bad speller."

"Well," the woman said. "It was a ... a vision."

Clark raised his eyebrows. "A vision?"

"I love this city more and more," Lois whispered.

Perry stepped forward. "Can you describe what you saw?"

She looked up at Perry White, her eyes widening. "You! It was you!"

"Me?" He smiled. "We've never met before."

Lois looked at the terrified woman. "What was Perry doing in your vision?"

"Dying."

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<zoomway>

Jimmy shook his head. "Oh man," he said, wondering if leaving the lecture
was
better after all.

The woman pointed to Jimmy. "And he killed you!" she shouted and let out a
blood chilling scream.

Clark winced as a couple of police officers entered the lobby.

"Some trouble, Miss Elaine?" the shorter officer asked, his partner standing
back and looking at the quickly growing crowd.

"I .. I--" was all she could say before she fainted.

A shadow passed at that moment. Perhaps it was only the lights dimming. The
revolving door spun empty and unnoticed.

Clark shivered as the police officer hurried to aid the woman.

Lois touched him. "You okay?"

"Hm? Yeah, I just had this weird feeling. Like the old expression about
someone walking over your grave."

Lois tugged his sleeve. "Come on, let's take a stroll."

Clark seemed better the instant they were back in the sunlight and took
Lois's
hand. "I feel bad leaving Jimmy and Perry in there to fend for themselves."

"They're big boys," Lois smiled. "Maybe the woman was a little ... potted.
It's a boring job ... maybe one too many mint juleps or whatever they drink
around here."

Clark laughed. "I think they have most modern drinks here, honey. Why, you
need one?"

"Lois would never drink this early," a familiar voice said cheerfully.

Lois beamed. "Star!"

<Misha>

"Lois, Clark!"

"Hello, Star. It's good to see you! It's been a while..."

"...since the wedding. I know, Lois." Star reached her hand towards Lois'.
"I
wanted to ask you about that- you didn't seem yourself and- oh, but I should
tell you first..."

"Aunt Star!"

All three turned as a young black woman launched herself into Star's arms.

She just had time to say, "My oldest sister's girl Luna --" when she was
interrupted once again.

"There you are! I've been waiting all afternoon! Mama told me that you'd be
here, but she just couldn't tell when!" The girl took a breath. "Come on,
Mama's waiting, and Uncle Leo's here and Granmere and..."

Luna tugged at her aunt's arm and steered her away from the hotel.  Star
gave
Lois and Clark one last glance over her shoulder before she disappeared into
the crowd.

"I wonder why she's in town," Lois mused.

Clark shrugged. "Sounds like a family reunion. Now, about that stroll." He
offered his arm to her, and Lois slipped her hand under his elbow with a
smile.

As they walked down the street arm in arm, a woman slipped after them, a
blank
expression on her face.

*****

"Did you ever find out what that woman was talking about, Chief?" Lois asked
over her blackened catfish.

Jimmy answered. "Nope. The police had to call an ambulance after a few
minutes
because she went catatonic."

Perry finished his mouthful of crawfish and reached for his water glass.
"She
was still unresponsive when I called the hospital before dinner."

Their waiter paused to refill the water, and all four leaned back for a
moment. None of them noticed the fine sediment that settled to the bottom of
the glasses.

"The nurse on duty told me she'd call when the patient is able to talk."
Perry
took another sip of his water.

Clark reached for his wine glass, holding it while he spoke. "That's all we
can expect right now. The manager told me this is the first sign of
...'instability', he called it. She's supposedly an exceptional employee."

"Well, what I want to know is how you ended up in that voodoo room, Chief."
Lois redirected the conversation with a wave of her fork.

<Lansbury>

Perry looked at Lois and tried to answer her question.  He could hear
everything around him but he could not get the words to leave his mouth.  A
numbing sensation had begun at his toes and was moving quickly throughout
his
body. Panic, don't panic, White.  Someone will notice you're in trouble.

Clark was the first to realize something was wrong.  "Perry, are you all
right?"

Perry tried to answer him but all he could do was stare back with a look of
horror as he began to fall forward.

All three jumped up.  Clark lifted the chief's body off the table where it
had
collapsed and laid him on the floor.

Lois and Jimmy knelt beside him.

"Perry, talk to me.  Are you all right?"  Lois grabbed his hand in hers.
"Come on, Perry. Come back to us."

Clark was loosening his tie and belt.  Jimmy had his other hand trying to
find
a pulse.

"I can't find a pulse!   Jimmy dropped his wrist and pressed his fingers to
Perry's neck.

Jimmy felt his own heart pounding in his chest.  "We got to do something."

Before Lois or Clark could stop him, Jimmy raised his fist to place a
shocking
blow on Perry's chest and began to administer CPR.

Clark moved Lois slightly to the side as he counted with Jimmy.  "One, two,
three, four, five...stop..."

He bent to place his mouth over Perry's and gave a strong puff of air.  For
the next five minutes they kept up the routine until an ambulance arrived.
The
whole time Lois talked to Perry, trying not to let the fear and her own
panic
get in the way.

The paramedics pushed their way through the crowd around the table and Clark
stood and helped Lois up to make room for them.

A hand came down on Jimmy's shoulder. "Come on, son, move out of the way.
We
can take it from here."

A stunned Jimmy rose to let them do their job.  Fifteen minutes later the
body
of Perry White was removed from the resturant.

Clark, with an arm around Lois and the other around Jimmy, watched as the
lifeless body was placed in the ambulance.  As the three stood in shock, a
female voice came from behind them.

"He isn't dead."  Star reached to touch her old friends.  "He is Not-Dead.
You must go to him immediately."

<zoomway>

The ambulance pulled from the long hotel drive.

Lois grabbed Star's arm. "What do you mean he's not dead? Is this one of
your
pyschic ... things?"

"No, it's voodoo, Lois. Remember the last--"

"Yes, believe me, I remember. So some kind of doll was used?"

"No, not a doll .. a zombie."

"This is crazy!" Jimmy sobbed. "Perry is dead, and you're talking about--"

Clark put a hand on his shoulder. "He's not dead, Jimmy. He's going to be
all
right. Bring the rental car around, and we'll go to the hospital."

Jimmy wiped his eyes. "Thanks, CK."

Clark then turned to Star. "Okay, all I know about 'zombies' comes from
cheap
movies. What *really* happened to Perry?"

"It's a powder prepared by a bocor and sprinkled on food or into a drink. It
was fugu powder, Clark."

"Blowfish?"

Star nodded. "Too much, and it can kill; just the right mix by an expert and
it puts them in a trance, but it resembles death--"

"I'll phone the hospital!" Clark said and began loosening his tie.

Lois sighed with relief and hugged Star. "Thank you."

"I'm glad I was here," she said, pulling from the embrace, "but it wasn't an
accident, Lois. I felt like I was *called* here."

"Called?"

"Yes, a strong feeling I had to be here. I was needed."

Lois smiled. "You were definitely needed, but who would be after Perry? Now
me, I can understand. I could go to Outer Mongolia and there would be
someone
trying to kill me."

"Well, Lois," Star sighed, "a good way to get to you would be through your
friends, and it was you and Clark I felt were in danger."

"Clark," Lois whispered. "Like when Baron Sunday--"

"Yes. Powerful magic ... so strong, those of us sensitive to it can feel it
casting out .. reaching for its target."

Continued in part 3
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 Hi everyone <g>

The IRC round robin writers have been at it again and I have the pleasure of
posting our latest offering: Just Another Manic Sunday.  In this story
Lois's
and  Clark's business trip to colorful New Orleans takes a dangerous detour
into the realm of the supernatural when Baron Sunday returns with a new plan
for revenge.

 We had fun writing it and we hope you enjoy reading it. As always comments
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PS.  Many thanks to Pam Jernigan for the terrific title ;)
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<Misha>

*****

Crawfish swam before Perry's eyes, flitting backwards in short sharp bursts.
Steaming sauce dripped from their red shells, pooling in the bottoms of his
eyelids.

His lids fluttered, and Perry caught a brief glimpse of a dim room. His eyes
closed again, swimming with crawfish, and he hauled them open. His vision
blurred, then focused suddenly on the man across the room.

"Mr. White. Good, you're awake." Hendrix Jack stood only a few feet away, a
small python coiling around his hands.

Perry started with surprise, but his body didn't move. He was standing
upright, frozen like a statue.

"It's a pity my agent didn't manage to acquire your companions, but that can
be and has been arranged." Jack's smile matched the curves of his pet snake.
"You may speak now."

"What in the Sam Hill is goin' on here?" Perry growled. His head hurt, his
ribs hurt, and this voodoo maniac was sitting there with a slithery grin on
his face.

"Quite simple, Mr. White. Your friends think you're dead. Oh, I stopped the
fugu before it caused any permanent damage. But don't worry, you're still
completely under my power. As soon as I have all of you, he'll pay."

Perry tried to respond and found himself frozen as before. His eyes fixed
forward, and he realized sleep was overcoming him again. Voicelessly, he
screamed. Powerlessly, he beat against the bonds of his prison.

Hendrix Jack strolled leisurely from the room.

*****

Ralph stared into the caiman's eyes. "I see you staring at me." He took
another sip from his drink, bumping his nose again on the paper umbrella.

He nodded. "You don't scare me." He blinked. The caiman's glassy eyes didn't
move.

"Hey, buddy." The bartender moved in front of the stuffed reptile. She was a
petite Latino with an odd accent. Her twin sister was standing next to her.
"I
think you've had enough there."

"Nah, sweetie. I haven't even gotten started!" Ralph wished she and her
sister
would stand still. They kept swaying from side to side.

"Sure you have."

Ralph leaned back into the bouncer's wide chest. He looked up as he sipped,
and barely managed to swallow the last of his drink.

"Anyone starts talking to the 'gator and they've either had too much or they
shouldn't be here in the first place."

The bouncer's shoulders looked like they belonged on a bus. Ralph kept
looking
up and finally, squinting against the light overhead, saw his head up in the
stratosphere.

"Ai...Ai...Ai..." Ralph stuttered, "...I...was just on my way out."

The bouncer nodded and stepped back, opening an escape route.

Ralph shoved a piece of paper at the giant. "Can you tell me how to get
here?"

The bouncer paled. He shoved Ralph roughly toward the door. "Not here!"

Ralph stumbled out of the bar, colliding with a lightpole, and hung there
for
a moment. He straightened himself crookedly, still leaning against the pole,
and started a weaving way down the street. 'Serena's Snake Dancers' was
around
here somewhere.

Around a corner, Baron Sunday smiled in the darkness. Serena was a good
little
pet. This one was his without a doubt.

<Mackteach>

Jimmy jabbed at the elevator button once more.  "Come on!"  He looked up at
the floor indicators, willing the machinery to move faster.  He began to
pace,
his hand moving to the back of his neck, rubbing at an imagined twinge.  He
stopped his pacing long enough to push the call button once more before
resuming his restless movement.

Lois and Clark entered the hospital and walked to the information desk, but
before they could ask the nurse anything, Jimmy spotted them.

"Lois!  CK!  Over here!"  They walked toward Jimmy even as he met them
halfway.  "The elevators in this hospital don't work!  They --"

Clark placed a hand on Jimmy's shoulder.  "Jimmy!  Calm down.  Getting all
upset isn't going to help the Chief one bit."  He squeezed Jimmy's shoulder
gently but urgently.

Lois stepped to Jimmy's side and began to walk him away from the elevator.
"Clark's right, Jimmy.  Perry's in good hands right now.  The best way we
can
help him is to try and figure out what happened."

The tone in her voice caught Clark's attention and he looked at Lois over
Jimmy's head.  She signaled with her eyes that she would explain everything
in
a minute.

"Why don't you get some coffee, Jimmy?" she said soothingly. "Then we can
sit
down and put together a plan."

Jimmy's shoulders sagged as their words sank in.  "You're right, Lois.  CK."
He sighed.  "I'll be right back."  He smiled weakly at them before heading
off
in the direction of the hospital cafeteria.

Clark watched Jimmy turn the corner before turning back to Lois.  "What's
up?"

Lois looked at her husband, letting her concern and fear for him show in her
eyes.

Clark frowned.  "Lois?"

She took him by the hand and led him to a pair of chairs in the waiting
area.
Sitting down, she pulled him down next to her.  She held his hands in hers,
squeezing them, feeling his natural warmth and strength.

She sighed once, letting out her pent-up tension.  "Clark ... Star told me
some things ..."

Clark frowned once again, not understanding.  "Things?  What things?"

Lois' eyes brightened as she felt tears forming.  "Clark, I came so close to
losing you the last time ..."

"Last time?  Honey, what is it?  I have no idea what you're talking about."

Lois took a deep breath and moved closer to Clark.  She reached up and
caressed the side of his face.  "Star says that a powerful ... magic ... is
at
work ... something that even she can feel reaching out ... for you."  Her
thumb gently caressed his cheek as she watched his face for his reaction.

"Magic?"  Clark thought for a moment.  "As in ..." His hand reflexively
moved
to his chest, gently rubbing it as if he could still feel the snake brand
that
had appeared there twice before.

Lois nodded.  "Baron Sunday. I think he's behind this ... Oh, Clark!"  She
momentarily gave in to her fear and flung her arms around his neck.

Clark pulled her into a tight embrace, stroking her hair and murmuring soft
words of reassurance, a reassurance that he didn't necessarily feel himself,
but one that he knew Lois needed from him.  He closed his eyes and willed
himself to be calm, to control the rising panic in his chest.

"Shhh.  It'll be okay, Lois.  We defeated Sunday once before.  We'll do it
again."

Lois pulled away to look at him, her eyes searching for answers to the
questions that had been nagging at her ever since Star had told her about
the
magic she had felt.

"Did we, Clark?  Did we *really* defeat him before?  The police never found
him.  Clark, what will we do?"

Clark stared at her a moment, his eyes echoing her questions.  He pulled her
once more into his arms.

<Lansbury>

"First, we're going to stay here and be with Perry.  Once we know he's
stable
we need to find the type of drug used on him."

"Yes, we have to try and trace the distributor and who might have bought
it."
Lois was feeling her strength return.  She felt herself go into "fight mode"
once again.

Jimmy walked over and placed coffee on the table.  "That's going to be hard
to
do.  Trace the drug, that is.  This is New Orleans, voodoo is everywhere
here.
It lives and breathes in the walls, streets and people."

The three were silent.  Lois looked into the black liquid.

Then something caught her eye down the long hallway.

<Eraygun>

As Lois looked up, one of the police officers from the hotel approached
them.
He was accompanied by another man who, based on his world-weary expression,
Lois assumed was a detective.

"Ms. Lane, Mr. Kent. I was hoping you'd still be here. This is Detective
MacPherson from the Vice Squad," the uniformed officer said quickly.

"Vice Squad?!"

"Since when does the Vice Squad investigate attempted murder?" Clark asked.

"This has nothing to do with Mr. White, I'm afraid."

"It's about a Mr. Ralph Munch ..." Det. MacPherson drawled as he opened up a
small notebook.

"Ralph?!"

The detective nodded. "Yes, ma'am. We picked him up in an alley off Bourbon
Street 'bout half an hour ago.  He seemed like your basic drunk who'd been
rolled at one of the local strip clubs, but he still had his wallet on him.
And when he didn't wake up we brought him here."

"How is he?" Jimmy asked.

"Well, he went into cardiac arrest on the way here, son, and he's barely
breathin'."

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<zoomway>

"Oh my God," Lois whispered. "One by one he's picking us off."

Clark pulled her to his side. "Officer, where do they have Ralph now?"

"Admitting said he's in the ICU with the other patient, a Mister--"

"Perry White?"

The officer nodded.

"Come on," Clark said, leading Lois and Jimmy up the corridor and leaving
the
two policemen staring after them.

"CK, maybe I should phone Alice.  I mean, they've been dating again, and
she... she was flying down here tomorrow."

"Okay, Jimmy, but do *not* eat or drink *anything*. This is more chemistry
than magic."

"No problem, CK. I don't think I'll be hungry or thirsty again until I'm
back
in Metropolis," he said and trotted back the way he had come.

*****

Lois made it to the Intensive Care Unit.  Machinery hummed in the
background.
They were the only things keeping both Perry and Ralph alive at the moment.

Clark had taken advantage of Jimmy's departure to change into Superman. He
often got access where others were denied, sometimes only because no one
wanted the responsibility of stopping him.

He entered ICU in time to hear Lois arguing with the frazzled duty intern.
It
was an argument of whispers, exaggerated arm movements and facial grimaces.

The intern was about to phone security when he saw Superman standing, just
peering into the IC units containing the two men.

The floor vent stirred the cape ... rather regally, Lois thought.

"Su..Superman?"  the young intern said. The awe in his expression was all
too
familiar to Lois.

"I need to speak to these men," Clark said authoritatively.

Lois smiled crookedly. She loved how he got away with that.

"Well, I .. I guess it would be okay."

"Thank you. Ms Lane, I'll need your help."

Lois started walking by his side, but glanced over her shoulder long enough
to
mouth 'ha!' to the intern.

As soon as they were in the unit they both approached Perry.

"Oh, Clark, he looks worse than before. How can he be deteriorating?  They
know it's fugu poisoning now. He should be getting better, not worse!"

"I know, honey, I know," he said and lightly placed a hand on Perry's
shoulder. "Mr. White," he whispered.

Perry's mouth gaped. "You're too late," he said, but it was not *his* voice.

<Misha>

"Mr. White?"

Perry's eyes opened. The room was unchanged, uninteresting in its blandness.
Directly across from him Jimmy stood at attention, his eyes fixed on
nothing.
Out of the corner of his eye, he could see a form, possibly human, slumped
against the wall. The faintest scent of alcohol and stale sweat reached his
nostrils. Perry tried to wrinkle his nose, but failed. He could breathe and
he
could move his eyes. There was nothing to see.

Except for the slither of a snake on his shoulder. The heavy weight of a
large
python settled on him. The dry rasp of scales, the slightest of noises,
filled
the room.  The weight shifted across his shoulders, down his arm, and the
snake slid off him to the middle of the room.

Perry blinked.

Hendrix Jack stood there, his back to Perry. Over the man's shoulder, Perry
saw Jimmy's eyes snap to Jack's face.

"Welcome, Mr. Olsen," he said, and then turned, as if aware of the weight of
Perry's gaze.

"Interesting. You have more will than your friend over there." His eyes
darted
to the slumped form and back to Perry's face. "It doesn't matter. One more
and
he'll be completely crushed."

Perry blinked again, and met Jimmy's eyes. They were alone again, but for
the
faintest sound of dry scales over stone.

*****

Lois stared at the third still form through the glass. Behind her, she could
feel her husband's presence dominating the huddled group of policemen. The
addition of Jimmy to the ICU had instigated the appearance of a pair of FBI
agents, and the resulting scramble for jurisdiction. Their arguments were
beginning to intrude on her silent guard over her friends.

They had found Jimmy's body halfway down the corridor less than ten minutes
after he had left them to call Alice.  Superman had spotted the nearly
invisible mark of a dart on the back of Jimmy's neck. Apparently the bocor
had
been prepared for their futile attempt to avoid the fugu poison.

She frowned. Star had told them to go to Perry. But that hadn't helped any,
and now Jimmy and Ralph were in just as much danger. She shivered.

"What did you mean, Star?" she whispered to the glass.

"Why don't we ask her, Ms. Lane?" Superman had left the officials to their
squabbling. He stood beside her, and she could see the need to hold her
close
shimmering in his eyes.

<Missytoo>

He held out a hand instead, and she took hold of it. It was as much comfort
as
she could take from him in public.

"Where would we find her?"

He solemnly nodded.  "I'll find her."

He patted her hand in his, then turned and quickly walked to the window at
the
end of the hall. Lois bit her lip to keep from crying out for him not to
leave
her. She felt as though it might be the last she ever saw of him.

She turned and went back to her silent vigil for her friends.

Lois felt a chill down her spine, as if a door had opened from somewhere
beyond the here and now. She turned and gasped as she spotted Baron Sunday
strolling toward her, his hand outstretched.

A door? Why would she think that? She ...

She suddenly shook herself awake, realizing she'd fallen asleep.

"Lois?"

She turned at the sound of Star's voice. He'd found her. Hopefully, it
wasn't
too late.

"Are we too late, Star?"

Star looked at the still figures in the other room. She closed her eyes and
breathed in deeply, seeming to reach somewhere far down inside.

"Maybe... maybe not. The only hope is to reach them from the other side."

Clark stepped up behind her. "Other side?"

"Yes. They don't know me as well, so I can't help them, but you could. Both
of
you."

He hugged Lois tighter to his side. "Both of us together?"

"Yes. The strength of your love will protect you, but only together."

<Mackteach>

Lois looked at Clark, uncertainty in her eyes and Clark returned her look
with
one of his own, a look that Lois drew strength from.  There wasn't any
uncertainty in his eyes, only confidence.  Confidence in his love for her
and
her love for him.

She smiled as he brought his head close to hers, their foreheads touching.

"Once more into the breach?" he said wryly.

"Being with you is stronger than me alone," she reminded him.

Clark smiled, remembering that soft campfire confession.  He kissed her
gently.  "I love you.

Lois looked Clark directly in the eyes.  "Ditto."  She winked and hugged him
to her, drawing more strength from his embrace.

They broke apart and turned to Star.  "How do we do this?"

Star studied them both for a moment before nodding and smiling.

"Now, you have to understand, I've never really had any dealings with voodoo
magic ... and this one is strong, very strong ... It's not like you can just
click your ruby-red slippers and chant--"

"Star."

Star opened her mouth and quickly shut it.  "Right."  She took a deep
breath.
"Ever been to a seance?"

Lois and Clark looked at each other for a moment before turning back her.
"Guess we're about to, right?"

"Kinda ... sorta ... I mean, there aren't any crystal balls and we don't
have
to dim the lights or anything like that ... although, I've never really
understood why the room had to be dark ... sure, the levers and switches
would
show, but really--"

"Star!"

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"Okay, okay!"

She ushered Lois and Clark into an empty room.  Closing her eyes for a
moment,
she concentrated.  Lois was about to say something when Star's eyes widened.

"We'd better hurry!" She took Lois' and Clark's hand in hers.  "Hold hands."

They complied, their fingers intertwining.

"Now, remember.  Your love is stronger than *any* magic that you'll
encounter.
Remember that."

At Star's words, Lois tightened her grip on Clark's hand.  He squeezed hers
in
return.

Star closed her eyes once more and began to chant.  The words were slurred
together and Lois strained to hear what Star was saying.  Only one word came
through loudly and distinctly.

"Erzulie .... Erzulie ... Erzulie ..."

Lois turned to Clark.  "What's she saying?"

Clark whispered, pitching his voice so he wouldn't disturb Star.  "Erzulie
is
the voodoo loa - god - of love ..."

Anything else Clark said was lost as Lois felt her reality turn inside out
for
a moment.  When she opened her eyes, she saw only blinding white.

"Clark?"  She could still feel his hand in hers.

The blinding glare gradually resolved itself into the familiar view of the
ICU
-- familiar but not quite the same.  The walls faded away into indeterminate
shadows; the air was thick. The constant hum of the medical apparatus seemed
muffled and faraway.  A dark shape stretched across the room, like a barrier
between them and the beds which held their friends.

<zoomway>

Clark and Lois walked into the unit, their hands intertwined.  The lighting
dimmed, the machinery faltered. They exchanged glances and then Clark
concentrated on the machinery and Lois on the overhead lights. Both surged
back with power.

The serpentine figure recoiled.  Perry, Ralph and Jimmy all stirred
momentarily.

"It's over, Sunday," Clark said flatly. "Let them go."

"The mighty Demballah is not so easily swayed." The voice spoke, but with
less
confidence than before.

"Neither is Erzulie," Lois said, and the snake slithered towards a darkened
corner.

It seemed to gather strength from the darkness.

Lois removed Clark's glasses.

His vision reflected off the aluminum instrument tray flooding the corner
with
light. The creature turned its head, but there was no escaping the brilliant
beam. It seemed to writhe under the unforgiving brightness, its shape
twisting, morphing, unable to hold its form.

Finally a man rose up in its place. His eyes were like those of a viper.

Sunday, beads of perspiration dotting his upper lip, produced a doll. A doll
in the image of Clark Kent. He held a needle at its head.

"This will strike you down, Kent."

Lois reached for the doll, but a wall of flame stopped her. Clark blew out
the
flame.

Lois high-kicked the object from the sorcerer's hands.  "You're too old for
dolls," she smiled.

Sunday, his magic matched and outmatched, drew a knife and stepped next to
Jimmy.

Lois shook her head. "When all else fails, turn into a street punk."

Clark sighed in agreement and concentrated his heat vision.  The blade of
the
knife turned liquid and literally dripped from the staghorn handle.

Perry moaned and held his head. "What the devil is going on here?"

Jimmy, rising up on one elbow and seeing Sunday nearby, swallowed. "I think
'devil' says it all, Chief."

Ralph ... snored loudly.

Sunday, desperate and panicky for the first time in a very long time,
charged
Lois and Clark. When he grabbed their joined hands he screamed in agony.

"You didn't say 'Mother, may I'," Lois said evenly, as Sunday crumbled
slowly
to the floor.

Lois once more felt that disorienting sensation of reality twisting around
her
as the light blazed and then quickly faded.  The air felt cleaner as she
drew
in a deep breath and let it out again in relief.

Star entered the room. "I felt him .. leave," she said, looking at Sunday's
body.

"So, it's over," Lois asked, but kept looking in Clark's eyes. "Can we be
'dispossessed' now?"

"Well," Star hesitated. "You never really were 'possessed'."

Lois suddenly felt faint. "Excuse me?"

"Well, I said voodoo wasn't my specialty, but you have to remember it's
'sympathetic magic'.  If you *believe* it will work, it will work."

Clark smiled and pulled Lois to him. "Fortunately, Sunday *believed* it."

<Mackteach>

Lois returned his smile with one of her own.  Bringing her hand up, her
fingers traced his lips.  "I never doubted it for a moment ... I never
doubted
*us*."

Clark chuckled softly as he bent his head toward her, his lips tingling from
her soft touch, intent on kissing her senseless.  Just as his mouth brushed
against hers, a painful moan drew their attention.

Lois turned and looked first at Perry.  He was looking at Jimmy, a frown on
his face.

"Jimmy?  Are you all right, son?"

Jimmy shook his head, trying to dislodge the cobwebs that had seemed to
gather
in his brain.  "I ... think so, Chief.  What happened?"

"Beats me, son.  Beats me.  But I know one thing ..."

"What's that?"

"I don't think I'll *ever* look at a crawfish again."

Jimmy smiled weakly as Lois and Clark hugged each other.  Another moan of
pain
made them all turn to the slouched figure against the wall.

Ralph moaned once more and struggled to stand.  Finally, he gave up and sat,
his head leaning against the cool metal folding chair.

He blinked once in an attempt to focus on the five people looking at him.
"Wassamatter?  Where am I?"

Ralph looked down at his hand and slowly opened it.  The paper that had been
in his fist began to uncrumple. Bringing it close to his face, he read what
was written.  He looked up.

"D'ya know how I can get to 'Serena's Snake Dancers'?"

Clark's eyes widened in surprise.  Lois rolled hers in exasperation.  Perry
glared.

Jimmy looked around the room.  "Snake? Where?

Star just smiled.

A knock on the door drew their collective attention.  A hospital worker
looked
in.  "Sorry, folks.  Visiting hours are over."  She looked past Lois and
Clark.  "I'd better have maintenance come over here and clean up that pile
of
dust."

Puzzled, Lois and Clark turned and looked behind them.  Where Baron Sunday's
body had lain a few minutes ago, now only a pile of dust and ashes remained.
Lois shuddered as she remembered how Sunday's assistant Ziggy had died in
her
apartment.  She raised a questioning look to Star.

Star shrugged her shoulders and shook her head.  "He just ... left, Lois.
His
magic wasn't strong enough."

Lois took a step toward Star.  "But ... will he be back?"  She turned to
look
at Clark, her hand reaching out to him.

Clark took her hand in his and gently squeezed.  He pulled her to his side
and
brought his arm around her.  "I don't know, honey.  I don't think any of us
know."

He looked at Star for confirmation.  She just shook her head.

"All I know is that he's gone, Clark.  Whether it's permanent or not ..."
She
shrugged her shoulders.  Closing her eyes, she concentrated briefly before
opening them once more.  "I can't sense him."

She smiled at her two friends.  "That's some powerful magic you two have."

Pushing her concerns aside for the moment, Lois wrapped her arms around
Clark's waist.  Looking into his eyes, she smiled softly.  "Yeah.  Pretty
powerful."

Clark winked and smiled his easy smile.  He leaned toward Lois and whispered
against her lips before kissing her.  "Yeah.  Pretty ... super."

THE END
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Subject:      Re: Ponderings of a 15 y/o girl :)  I had a kind of a
thought...

<<<< you'd get the best presents on holidays/b-days >>

<<<<I'm not sure I understand how having Superman as a father would get
you the
best presents on holidays...>>>>

Well, I mean like that star-shaped Christmas ornament he got Lois :)
Cool stuff like that, that only he could obtain.

<< he can tell when you're lying >>

Can't most parents? ;)>>>>

Well, most parents seem to think so :)  But I can tell ya... mine are
easily fooled <g>

<<If you're looking for stories told from the POV of Lois and Clark's
children,
there are several. One of my favorites is Susan Stone's "Aliens and
Strangers,"
which can be found in the fanfic archive. And at the risk of advertising
my own
fanfic, I wrote one called "Emptiness in Harmony," the main character of
which
is Lois and Clark's 14 year old daughter who is struggling with her
"super" lot
in life.>>

<<Another cute one just was added to the Archive within the last week or
so.
It's called "My Adventures With Superman" and it's a fun, easy read.  I
groaned when I read the first paragraph and noticed it was written in
first
person -- usually that's a big no-no in my book. However, I kept reading
and found it quite charming.>>

Thanks Christy and Kathy :) I'll check those out!  Silly me, thinking I'd
had an idea that no other fan fic writer had ever pondered.  Maybe it's
true what they say about teenagers... <vbg>

-Jill aka AlienDove-
AlienDove@juno.com
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Whoever said money can't buy happiness never had a puppy :)
my webpage: http://members.tripod.com/~AlienDove/index.html
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Debby

Excellent!!  I'm a scientist (I'm sorry, someone has to be!) and these are
*all* very familiar to me!  LOL!

Linzy Hill
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At 02:01 PM 10/4/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>That was a hoot!  I liked that!  :c)
>
>-Audrey

Me, too :) Those folks have put out a whole series, including ones for the
hero,
the side kick, the girl friend, the Evil Overlord, and the minion ;)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who finds them good to think upon
when tempted to write a stereotype :)
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Hi all!

Normally a lurker here, but since I'm the "webmaster" of the AOL site, I
thought I would step in and say a little about it...

I decided to try to get together stories by a few of the AOL authors who had
only been featured on the AOL message boards over a year ago. I mean, all
the
AOL people knew how great the stories were, but no one else could really get
access to their stories since they were not featured on the main archive. So
I
put together this little site and wrote a note about it on the AOL fanfic
message boards and the main listserv, hoping that news of it would travel
word
of mouth (which it has, especially since this listserv). There are only a
few
featured writers there, but their work can't be found anywhere else, and the
stories are really great. There are currently 21 complete stories and one
work
in progress featured on the archive. I'm sure the authors would appreciate
you
both reading their stories and sending them some feedback on them! Someone
already mentioned this, but the address again is...

http://members.aol.com/beth012400/fanfic.htm

Back to the realms of lurkdom... <g>

Beth
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I really enjoyed the Kerth Awards this year and I think there are
plans to do this again for 1998 stories, correct?  Who is planning
this and determining the categories? :)

Susan

_________________________________________________________
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:13:34 EDT
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Hello Everyone,

It is that time again.  I am happy to inform you there is a new featured
Writer of the Week at the Lois and Clark: The New Adventure of Superman
Writer's Showcase.

For the first time I am going to tell you in advance who it is because this
lady is such an important icon in the L&C Fandom.  The new featured writer
is
Zoomway.  I hope you all enjoy her interview as much as I did.

Also, if you would like to suggest anyone or have a question you might like
to
see
included in the interview, let me know.

The URL is ......
http://simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html

Annie Lansbury :)
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1998 19:32:41 EDT
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Hi,

There was a problem, which now has been corrected in this Week's Writer
Showcase.

I am sorry.

Enjoy :)

Annie Lansbury
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:32:08 -0400
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Subject:      "LOIS, I'M SUPER..."  My first fic :)

Hey guys and gals :)
Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later I guess.  I've written a
fanfic :)  Now, it's my first ever and the only one I've ever done by
myself so constructive critisism is appreciated, welcomed, and valued :)
It takes place in the beginning of  "And The Answer Is..." so if the
beginning of my story gives you a feeling of deja-vu, that's why ;-) I've
re-written the rest of it to my liking <g>  You can expect some WAFFy,
feel-good melodrama here, so if you're sick of that stuff, you may not be
interested in reading this.  No original ideas here, or intricate plots,
just good-old-fashioned Lois and Clark WAFFyness :)  Anywayz... here's
the standard disclaimer:  All characters in this story are property of
Warner Brothers...blah blah blah... no copyright infringement intended,
please don't sue me, etc :)  And now, without further ado...

“Lois, I’m Super-” :
What could’ve happened
By Jill Tanz

        Clark paced the floor of Lois’ apartment, practicing the
single most important speech of his life. He held a photo of Lois
in his hand and tried out different versions of the same critical
revelation as he waited for her.  No matter which way he said it,
it didn’t sound right.  It reminded him of their first date; of
all the outfits he had tried on before finally deciding on the
charcoal suit.  But this was no mere fashion dilemma.  What he
said in the next few minutes could make or break his relationship
with Lois.  It seemed that today was the climax of the novel that
was his life.  As he was in mid-sentence, she walked in.  Just
the sight of her took his breath away, as it did every single
time he laid eyes on her, starting with that first day at the
Planet.  She eyed him quizzically.  He sighed inwardly.  Those
eyes....  it was as if she looked right down into his soul.
        She was just finishing up getting ready to leave for the Planet.
Her hair was shiny and smooth, and she wore a deep red lipstick that
complemented her outfit.  Her earings glittered, but they could
not compete with her eyes.  He thought she’d look perfect if she
rolled out of bed and got in the car.    Clark snapped out of his
day dream-like state and decided to go for it.

        “Lois, I’ve got something to tell you.”
        “It’s not good news, is it?”
        “Well, I dunno... maybe.”
        “No, it’s not, I can tell by your face”, she said, heading
for the couch.
        “Lois, maybe you better...”
        Lois took a seat on the couch.
        “-sit down.”
        “Oh yeah, this is good news”, she said.

        Clark took a deep breath.  His head was spinning with the
thought of what he was about to say.  It had to be perfect.  He
waited a few seconds before he spoke again, trying to harness his
emotions and control his words.
        “You know how you’re always complaining that I seem to run
off every time we start talking about something important?”
        “I recall mentioning it once or twice”, she said with a
smile.  Clark smiled slightly at her attempt to lighten the
moment.  She had obviously picked up that he had something very
important to say, and that he was nervous as hell.
         “Well there’s a reason for that, and it has nothing to do
with my having a fear of intimacy, or being afraid of falling in
love, or anything like that.”
        Clark paused to gather his thoughts so that he could avoid
spitting them out in a senseless jumble.  The few seconds that
took seemed like forever to Lois.  She was on the edge of her
seat.
        “I think I should just tell you this as simply and honestly
as I can.”  Clark heard himself say the words he never thought
could possibly come out of his mouth.

        “Lois, I’m Superman.”

        Silence.  Clark waited for what seemed like an eternity for
some kind of reaction from Lois.  He couldn’t believe he had said
those words.  He felt so vulnerable, so naked and exposed.  Every
second that passed that Lois did not speak seemed like an hour.
Clark could almost see the gears turning in Lois’ head, as she
took in the meaning of his last sentence and tried to process it.
His eyes searched hers for some indication of what was going on
in there.  What he saw confused him.  This was not a typical Lois
reaction.  Finally, she spoke:

        “Clark, as funny as that is, you still haven’t explained
your little running off problems.  Enough with the ice breaking
humor, what did you really want to say?”, Lois scoffed
good-naturedly.

        She wasn’t taking this the way Clark had expected at all.
I don’t believe it, he thought.  Am I going to have to
demonstrate?  He could not even imagine having to say it again.
Once had been bad enough.  She looked at him expectantly.

        “Lois, that is what I wanted to say.  I am Superman.
Superman is me.  We are the same person.  That’s why I’m always
running off to check my mail, or return a library book.  Clark
looked into her eyes, pleading for her to understand.  “I’m
really just doing my job.  My other job.”

        Lois sat and stared at him.  She waited desperately for the
punch line, but in vain, for there was none.  She tried to force
some words out of her mouth.

        “But...Clark...I...uh, you..........Superman is, he’s....”

        Lois’ brow furrowed, and her eyes darted around in their
sockets.  Her jaw went slack as she tried to force sensible words
out of her lips.

        “He’s...he’s...well, he’s.....um...uh....”  She stood up,
her hands gesturing frantically as if trying to convey what her
mouth could not. Her feet paced the length of the couch.

        “Well, he’s not- you’re, you’re not like...”

        Finally, she gave up and collapsed back into the couch with
a great sigh of defeat.

        “You can’t be serious.  This has got to be a joke, right?”

        She still couldn’t believe what she was hearing.  Her breath
came fast and her heart pounded so loudly she thought even Clark
must be able to hear it.

        Actually, Clark could hear it, and it made him nervous.  Her
pulse rate was over 160!

        Lois was still in shock.  This could not be real.  She
didn’t believe it.  No, she wouldn’t believe it.  This had to be
some kind of joke, like that godzilla doll at the dump, or......

        Clark took this moment of silence as his cue to speak.

        “I have wanted to tell you, for so long Lois.  You have no
idea how hard it’s been, trying to keep half of my self hidden
from....the woman I love.  But now, it’s as if a terrible weight
has been lifted from my chest.  I don’t have to hide from you
anymore.”

        Clark’s eyes searched hers, waiting for that look of
comprehension, to know what she was thinking.  Searching
for...something, anything, that would signify acknowledgment, at
least.  Then Lois’ eyes met his, and in that instant, she could
see the truth, and the love shining through in his eyes- the eyes
of a hero.  Superman’s eyes.  Now she knew he was not kidding.
This was no joke.  Her reaction was the last thing either of them
would ever have expected.

        She burst into tears.

        “Oh, Lois, please, no,  oh, please don’t cry.”, Clark
pleaded, reaching out to caress her cheek.  “I can’t stand to see
you cry.  Just the thought that I’ve made you unhappy is
unbearable.  When you’re sad, and you cry.......I just want to
die.”

        Lois couldn’t hear him now over the commotion in her mind.
Her whole body shook with uncontrollable fits of sobbing, as
every memory of her life since Clark had been in Metropolis came
flooding back with incredible clarity.  The Cheese of the Month
shipment, the doctor’s appointment, the urgent need to return a
library book, and their date at the fair when Clark had run off
yet again....to phone in the story...and Superman had arrived.
Now it all made so much sense.  Way too much sense.  What kind of
reporter was she anyway?  How could she have been so blind?

        Clark rushed to her side and took her in his arms, holding
her head against his chest, running his fingers slowly in through
her hair.

        “All right, Lois, it’s OK, just, just let it all out...”

        Crazy, jumbled thoughts continued to whiz around in Lois’
brain.  That time when Clark was killed, by those regenerated
mobsters, that was all an act?  All those wasted emotions!  God,
what she had gone through for this man, this man who was two men.
The anger started to bubble up inside her like lava inside a
volcano.  But then she remembered more.  She remembered throwing
herself at Superman.  She remembered the pain of his rejection.
She had thought she knew him.  But how could she really know him?
Now she saw what pain she must have caused Clark; why he couldn’t
believe her that night, when she had said she would love him even
if he was just an ordinary man.  She had only hours ago rejected
that same ordinary man.

        Clark reached over her to the coffee table and grabbed a few
tissues out of the box.  “Here.”  He handed them to Lois, who
took them, but only stared at Clark, as if seeing him for the
first time.

        She felt so foolish, and so ashamed, so cheated, and lied
to, so, so......confused.  All those emotions melted into one in
her heart, her mind, her soul, until she did not even know how
she felt.  The only thing she knew for sure now was a feeling of
intense love for the man who held her in his arms.  She could see
>from the intensity in his eyes that he felt the same way.  That
emotion had such deep roots within her soul that it could no
longer be disguised or denied.  Amidst the confusion, this was
the one feeling that was still coming in loud and clear.  Maybe
that was all that really mattered.

        They sat there on that couch, rocking and holding each other
until her sobs subsided.  It felt like a lifetime.  Slowly, she
turned her head around, and stared up into his eyes.  They were
like great oceans which seemed to swallow her whole, and she let
herself drown in the bottomless pool of his love.  They did not
speak.  There were no words to describe the emotions that
consumed them, merging their souls into one, as they were meant
to be, life after life.

        After a long time, Lois sat up.  Gently, Clark stroked her
cheek, as he had done so many times.  Now the gesture had new
meaning.  She reached up, and lifted the glasses from his
perfectly chiseled face.  Without the obstruction of wire frames
and plastic, there was no mistaking him.  As he stared into her
eyes questioningly, she pushed back his soft dark hair.  Her eyes
seemed to soak in the image, as if trying to capture it for all
time.  Her fingers traveled slowly down his cheek, over the
strong jaw, down his neck, and over the muscles of his chest.
Her fingers found the buttons, and she undid them one by one, to
reveal the familiar S.  Clark wondered what she was thinking, and
feeling.  Her eyes moved up from his chest, to rest once again on
his eyes.  There was such intensity, and yet, such gentleness
there.

         She bent her head to kiss his forehead, and then her lips
met his.  Clark felt a surge of adrenaline and his neck arched to
meet her.  All the energy contained within their bodies seemed to
explode like fireworks as their lips met.  Soft, and tentative at
first, and gradually less cautiously they kissed.  Then, with
almost reckless abandon, Lois and Clark gave in to a tidal wave
of love and affection.  This was a kiss like no other.  Lois held
Clark tightly.  He was her life preserver in the middle of a vast
sea of emotions.  Clark’s hands explored her body, as though
trying to touch her everywhere at once.

        Together they traveled to a place where everything
was perfect and nothing mattered but the fact that they were
together and in love.  At last there were no walls between them;
no secrets and no lies.  It felt so good and so right.  Lois and
Clark could hear nothing but each other; see nothing but each
other.  It felt like escaping and finally coming home all at once.
Their love was all-consuming.

        So slowly that neither of them even noticed it, they
began to float towards the ceiling.  A soft moan escaped Lois’ lips.
The long forgotten wire frame glasses dangling from her fingers
slipped and fell, landing softly on the sofa, where they would
remain for quite a long time.

                        ~~~The End~~~
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Subject:      Re: Ponderings of a 15 y/o girl :)  I had a kind of a
thought...

I'm a little behind my mail so I'm just getting to replying to this now.

<< Christy, I always know when posts are from you.  I just see a quote
instead
of a name -- an always changing quote at that -- and just know who it's
from. ;) >>

LOL! I'm not sure why that happens, but the e-mail system we use here is
really
ancient, and quite unreliable. It does strange things to incoming and
outgoing
e-mail and, unfortunately, this is one of them. (BTW, this quote is from the
movie, 'The Avengers' ;)

<< Another cute one just was added to the Archive within the last week or
so.
It's called "My Adventures With Superman" and it's a fun, easy read.  I
groaned when I read the first paragraph and noticed it was written in first
person -- usually that's a big no-no in my book. >>

I was wondering if others have this same opinion about first person. The
last
fanfic I was working on (way back when I actually had free time) is in first
person and at least one of my editors commented about that. Personally, I'm
not
bothered by first person if it's used correctly. In fact, I think there are
some fanfics that could benefit from first person. In an interesting
coincidence, the professor of my intro to fiction writing class mentioned
just
today that writers should have experience with a variety of viewpoints so
they'll be able to pick the best one to fit their story. Any other opinions?

-Christy
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
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At 11:14 AM -0700 10/5/98, Susan wrote:
>I really enjoyed the Kerth Awards this year and I think there are
>plans to do this again for 1998 stories, correct?  Who is planning
>this and determining the categories? :)

I believe Erin Klingler is coordinating them this year. I've offered to
help out, as I'm sure other people have as well.

Erin, is this right?

Kathy

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:50:36 -1000
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Greetings and Aloha Gillian,

Great Story!!!

Mahalo.
"M"
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Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 3:45 PM
Subject: "LOIS, I'M SUPER..." My first fic :)

>Hey guys and gals :)
>Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later I guess.  I've written a
>fanfic :)  Now, it's my first ever and the only one I've ever done by
>myself so constructive critisism is appreciated, welcomed, and valued :)
>It takes place in the beginning of  "And The Answer Is..." so if the
>beginning of my story gives you a feeling of deja-vu, that's why ;-) I've
>re-written the rest of it to my liking <g>  You can expect some WAFFy,
>feel-good melodrama here, so if you're sick of that stuff, you may not be
>interested in reading this.  No original ideas here, or intricate plots,
>just good-old-fashioned Lois and Clark WAFFyness :)  Anywayz... here's
>the standard disclaimer:  All characters in this story are property of
>Warner Brothers...blah blah blah... no copyright infringement intended,
>please don't sue me, etc :)  And now, without further ado...
>
>“Lois, I’m Super-” :
>What could’ve happened
>By Jill Tanz
>
>        Clark paced the floor of Lois’ apartment, practicing the
>single most important speech of his life. He held a photo of Lois
>in his hand and tried out different versions of the same critical
>revelation as he waited for her.  No matter which way he said it,
>it didn’t sound right.  It reminded him of their first date; of
>all the outfits he had tried on before finally deciding on the
>charcoal suit.  But this was no mere fashion dilemma.  What he
>said in the next few minutes could make or break his relationship
>with Lois.  It seemed that today was the climax of the novel that
>was his life.  As he was in mid-sentence, she walked in.  Just
>the sight of her took his breath away, as it did every single
>time he laid eyes on her, starting with that first day at the
>Planet.  She eyed him quizzically.  He sighed inwardly.  Those
>eyes....  it was as if she looked right down into his soul.
>        She was just finishing up getting ready to leave for the Planet.
>Her hair was shiny and smooth, and she wore a deep red lipstick that
>complemented her outfit.  Her earings glittered, but they could
>not compete with her eyes.  He thought she’d look perfect if she
>rolled out of bed and got in the car.    Clark snapped out of his
>day dream-like state and decided to go for it.
>
>        “Lois, I’ve got something to tell you.”
>        “It’s not good news, is it?”
>        “Well, I dunno... maybe.”
>        “No, it’s not, I can tell by your face”, she said, heading
>for the couch.
>        “Lois, maybe you better...”
>        Lois took a seat on the couch.
>        “-sit down.”
>        “Oh yeah, this is good news”, she said.
>
>        Clark took a deep breath.  His head was spinning with the
>thought of what he was about to say.  It had to be perfect.  He
>waited a few seconds before he spoke again, trying to harness his
>emotions and control his words.
>        “You know how you’re always complaining that I seem to run
>off every time we start talking about something important?”
>        “I recall mentioning it once or twice”, she said with a
>smile.  Clark smiled slightly at her attempt to lighten the
>moment.  She had obviously picked up that he had something very
>important to say, and that he was nervous as hell.
>         “Well there’s a reason for that, and it has nothing to do
>with my having a fear of intimacy, or being afraid of falling in
>love, or anything like that.”
>        Clark paused to gather his thoughts so that he could avoid
>spitting them out in a senseless jumble.  The few seconds that
>took seemed like forever to Lois.  She was on the edge of her
>seat.
>        “I think I should just tell you this as simply and honestly
>as I can.”  Clark heard himself say the words he never thought
>could possibly come out of his mouth.
>
>        “Lois, I’m Superman.”
>
>        Silence.  Clark waited for what seemed like an eternity for
>some kind of reaction from Lois.  He couldn’t believe he had said
>those words.  He felt so vulnerable, so naked and exposed.  Every
>second that passed that Lois did not speak seemed like an hour.
>Clark could almost see the gears turning in Lois’ head, as she
>took in the meaning of his last sentence and tried to process it.
>His eyes searched hers for some indication of what was going on
>in there.  What he saw confused him.  This was not a typical Lois
>reaction.  Finally, she spoke:
>
>        “Clark, as funny as that is, you still haven’t explained
>your little running off problems.  Enough with the ice breaking
>humor, what did you really want to say?”, Lois scoffed
>good-naturedly.
>
>        She wasn’t taking this the way Clark had expected at all.
>I don’t believe it, he thought.  Am I going to have to
>demonstrate?  He could not even imagine having to say it again.
>Once had been bad enough.  She looked at him expectantly.
>
>        “Lois, that is what I wanted to say.  I am Superman.
>Superman is me.  We are the same person.  That’s why I’m always
>running off to check my mail, or return a library book.  Clark
>looked into her eyes, pleading for her to understand.  “I’m
>really just doing my job.  My other job.”
>
>        Lois sat and stared at him.  She waited desperately for the
>punch line, but in vain, for there was none.  She tried to force
>some words out of her mouth.
>
>        “But...Clark...I...uh, you..........Superman is, he’s....”
>
>        Lois’ brow furrowed, and her eyes darted around in their
>sockets.  Her jaw went slack as she tried to force sensible words
>out of her lips.
>
>        “He’s...he’s...well, he’s.....um...uh....”  She stood up,
>her hands gesturing frantically as if trying to convey what her
>mouth could not. Her feet paced the length of the couch.
>
>        “Well, he’s not- you’re, you’re not like...”
>
>        Finally, she gave up and collapsed back into the couch with
>a great sigh of defeat.
>
>        “You can’t be serious.  This has got to be a joke, right?”
>
>        She still couldn’t believe what she was hearing.  Her breath
>came fast and her heart pounded so loudly she thought even Clark
>must be able to hear it.
>
>        Actually, Clark could hear it, and it made him nervous.  Her
>pulse rate was over 160!
>
>        Lois was still in shock.  This could not be real.  She
>didn’t believe it.  No, she wouldn’t believe it.  This had to be
>some kind of joke, like that godzilla doll at the dump, or......
>
>        Clark took this moment of silence as his cue to speak.
>
>        “I have wanted to tell you, for so long Lois.  You have no
>idea how hard it’s been, trying to keep half of my self hidden
>from....the woman I love.  But now, it’s as if a terrible weight
>has been lifted from my chest.  I don’t have to hide from you
>anymore.”
>
>        Clark’s eyes searched hers, waiting for that look of
>comprehension, to know what she was thinking.  Searching
>for...something, anything, that would signify acknowledgment, at
>least.  Then Lois’ eyes met his, and in that instant, she could
>see the truth, and the love shining through in his eyes- the eyes
>of a hero.  Superman’s eyes.  Now she knew he was not kidding.
>This was no joke.  Her reaction was the last thing either of them
>would ever have expected.
>
>        She burst into tears.
>
>        “Oh, Lois, please, no,  oh, please don’t cry.”, Clark
>pleaded, reaching out to caress her cheek.  “I can’t stand to see
>you cry.  Just the thought that I’ve made you unhappy is
>unbearable.  When you’re sad, and you cry.......I just want to
>die.”
>
>        Lois couldn’t hear him now over the commotion in her mind.
>Her whole body shook with uncontrollable fits of sobbing, as
>every memory of her life since Clark had been in Metropolis came
>flooding back with incredible clarity.  The Cheese of the Month
>shipment, the doctor’s appointment, the urgent need to return a
>library book, and their date at the fair when Clark had run off
>yet again....to phone in the story...and Superman had arrived.
>Now it all made so much sense.  Way too much sense.  What kind of
>reporter was she anyway?  How could she have been so blind?
>
>        Clark rushed to her side and took her in his arms, holding
>her head against his chest, running his fingers slowly in through
>her hair.
>
>        “All right, Lois, it’s OK, just, just let it all out...”
>
>        Crazy, jumbled thoughts continued to whiz around in Lois’
>brain.  That time when Clark was killed, by those regenerated
>mobsters, that was all an act?  All those wasted emotions!  God,
>what she had gone through for this man, this man who was two men.
>The anger started to bubble up inside her like lava inside a
>volcano.  But then she remembered more.  She remembered throwing
>herself at Superman.  She remembered the pain of his rejection.
>She had thought she knew him.  But how could she really know him?
>Now she saw what pain she must have caused Clark; why he couldn’t
>believe her that night, when she had said she would love him even
>if he was just an ordinary man.  She had only hours ago rejected
>that same ordinary man.
>
>        Clark reached over her to the coffee table and grabbed a few
>tissues out of the box.  “Here.”  He handed them to Lois, who
>took them, but only stared at Clark, as if seeing him for the
>first time.
>
>        She felt so foolish, and so ashamed, so cheated, and lied
>to, so, so......confused.  All those emotions melted into one in
>her heart, her mind, her soul, until she did not even know how
>she felt.  The only thing she knew for sure now was a feeling of
>intense love for the man who held her in his arms.  She could see
>>from the intensity in his eyes that he felt the same way.  That
>emotion had such deep roots within her soul that it could no
>longer be disguised or denied.  Amidst the confusion, this was
>the one feeling that was still coming in loud and clear.  Maybe
>that was all that really mattered.
>
>        They sat there on that couch, rocking and holding each other
>until her sobs subsided.  It felt like a lifetime.  Slowly, she
>turned her head around, and stared up into his eyes.  They were
>like great oceans which seemed to swallow her whole, and she let
>herself drown in the bottomless pool of his love.  They did not
>speak.  There were no words to describe the emotions that
>consumed them, merging their souls into one, as they were meant
>to be, life after life.
>
>        After a long time, Lois sat up.  Gently, Clark stroked her
>cheek, as he had done so many times.  Now the gesture had new
>meaning.  She reached up, and lifted the glasses from his
>perfectly chiseled face.  Without the obstruction of wire frames
>and plastic, there was no mistaking him.  As he stared into her
>eyes questioningly, she pushed back his soft dark hair.  Her eyes
>seemed to soak in the image, as if trying to capture it for all
>time.  Her fingers traveled slowly down his cheek, over the
>strong jaw, down his neck, and over the muscles of his chest.
>Her fingers found the buttons, and she undid them one by one, to
>reveal the familiar S.  Clark wondered what she was thinking, and
>feeling.  Her eyes moved up from his chest, to rest once again on
>his eyes.  There was such intensity, and yet, such gentleness
>there.
>
>         She bent her head to kiss his forehead, and then her lips
>met his.  Clark felt a surge of adrenaline and his neck arched to
>meet her.  All the energy contained within their bodies seemed to
>explode like fireworks as their lips met.  Soft, and tentative at
>first, and gradually less cautiously they kissed.  Then, with
>almost reckless abandon, Lois and Clark gave in to a tidal wave
>of love and affection.  This was a kiss like no other.  Lois held
>Clark tightly.  He was her life preserver in the middle of a vast
>sea of emotions.  Clark’s hands explored her body, as though
>trying to touch her everywhere at once.
>
>        Together they traveled to a place where everything
>was perfect and nothing mattered but the fact that they were
>together and in love.  At last there were no walls between them;
>no secrets and no lies.  It felt so good and so right.  Lois and
>Clark could hear nothing but each other; see nothing but each
>other.  It felt like escaping and finally coming home all at once.
>Their love was all-consuming.
>
>        So slowly that neither of them even noticed it, they
>began to float towards the ceiling.  A soft moan escaped Lois’ lips.
>The long forgotten wire frame glasses dangling from her fingers
>slipped and fell, landing softly on the sofa, where they would
>remain for quite a long time.
>
>                        ~~~The End~~~
>
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:24:36 +0100
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Hey guys!

>
><< Another cute one just was added to the Archive within the last week or
so.
>It's called "My Adventures With Superman" and it's a fun, easy read.  I
>groaned when I read the first paragraph and noticed it was written in first
>person -- usually that's a big no-no in my book. >>
>
>I was wondering if others have this same opinion about first person. The
last
>fanfic I was working on (way back when I actually had free time) is in
first
>person and at least one of my editors commented about that. Personally, I'm
not
>bothered by first person if it's used correctly. In fact, I think there are
>some fanfics that could benefit from first person. In an interesting
>coincidence, the professor of my intro to fiction writing class mentioned
just
>today that writers should have experience with a variety of viewpoints so
>they'll be able to pick the best one to fit their story. Any other
opinions?
>

I must admit that I am turned off by discovering a story is written in the
first person too. I think it's because, personally, I find it so limiting.
Unless the author cheats (and that turns me off just as much; there's
nothing worse than having one character flashback to a past event, say, and
then have them 'remembering' something that someone says when they weren't
present to hear it. Just as an example. That sort of thing drives me nuts.)
then you miss out on the varying POV created by the events. But, conversely
as always, I've read many stories which have been wonderful and are among my
favorites which are in first person. I guess the circumstances have to be
right at the time. Curiously, none of them are LNC. But I have read some
beautiful X FILES fic recently which was written in first person. As always
though, I support the right of the individual author to write a story any
way they darned well please. <g>. As a personal preference however, although
I do try not to dismiss such stories instantly, I do find it hard to
progress much beyond the first few paras, unless something about the
situation or plot intrigues me to get over the hurdle of my own prejudice.
Bet I've missed out on some cracking stories that way. <bg>

LabRat :-)
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At 12:24 PM 10/6/98 +0100, you wrote:
>I
>>groaned when I read the first paragraph and noticed it was written in
first
>>person -- usually that's a big no-no in my book. >>
>>
>>I was wondering if others have this same opinion about first person.
>>In an interesting coincidence, the professor of my
>>intro to fiction writing class mentioned just
>>today that writers should have experience with a variety of viewpoints so
>>they'll be able to pick the best one to fit their story. Any other
>opinions?

There's a difference here between the use of first person in general and its
use in fanfic.  It's one thing to use a first person voice on a character
you created.  No one but you knows how the character should sound and
whatever you do will be accepted by your readers if you're consistent.

However, fanfic is a different situation.  Too many writers who choose first
person use it for an existing character (usually Lois, sometimes Jimmy,
rarely Clark).  Unfortunately, the voice ends out sounding like the writer
rather than the character whom the readers know all too well.  First person
is unbelievably difficult because every single word you use is part of the
character's voice--not just the dialog.  Frankly, as much as I love to write
Clark, as well as I feel that I know him, as much as he and I share a
"helper" personality, I'm not sure I could carry off a first person story
>from his point of view.

The other use of first person that I've seen in fanfic is usually a teenaged
girl who pops into L&C's lives, becomes close friends with them, and helps
them with a case.  Whether it actually is or not, it sounds like the writer
is fulfilling her fantasy of meeting L&C, and the whole story seems to focus
on this character and how grateful L&C are to her and how much they want her
to be part of their lives, instead of focusing on what I want to read, which
is L&C.  So, while the first person part may work, the story doesn't--for
me, anyway.

Like Kathy, I enjoyed "My Adventures with Superman."  The character wasn't a
part of the canon, so the writer didn't have to maintain a particular voice;
Katy naturally belonged in the story instead of being dragged in somehow;
and the writer created an interesting character and story.  I liked the
story enough to go back and read it a second time, and I consider it a
successful example of a first person fanfic.  And yet . . . even this
well-written story jarred me at times because the same Katy who could get
excited about pony rides and balloons at birthday parties (so I was
picturing an 8 year old) kept describing things with words that wouldn't
have been in a child's vocabulary.  It is tremendously difficult to get
every single word in a story in character, but that's what first person
demands, and that's why a lot of us cringe when new writers take on such a
demanding point of view.

But don't let that stop you from writing and experimenting.  Fanfic is
written for the author's pleasure, so if you have a story burning inside you
that needs first person or needs a teenaged girl who entirely steals the
scene from L&C <g>, write it.  FoLCdom is large--somewhere out there,
someone probably wants to read just the story that you're itching to write.

Sheila
(English teachers can't ever seem to give praise without also adding
suggestions for improvement)
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On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:07:40 -0500 Sheila Harper
<sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US> wrote:

> There's a difference here between the use of first person
in general and its use in fanfic. It's one thing to use a
first person voice on a character you created. No one but
you knows how the character should sound and whatever you
do will be accepted by your readers if you're consistent. <

> However, fanfic is a different situation. Too many
writers who choose first person use it for an existing
character (usually Lois, sometimes Jimmy, rarely Clark). <

Wonder why that is? What is it about Clark that makes it
hard to write from his POV, either 1st or 3rd person
(if you look at fanfic, I'd reckon that more scenes are
written from other characters' POV than Clark's -- with
the possible exception of angst)? Is it that he's male,
whereas most fanfic writers are female? Is it something
about his unique nature (alien physiology, Kansas farm-boy
upbringing, world-wanderer, double life) that authors find
difficult to relate to, much less express? Is it anything
at all -- or do writers shy away from Clark because they
don't _think_ they can get him right?

I don't claim to know the answer, but I know that I do it
myself. I can and have written scenes from Clark's POV (no
1st-person stuff, though), but I have noticed a tendency in
myself to write from Lois' POV unless there's a specific
need to see something through Clark's eyes -- and I'm male!

[Snip]

> The other use of first person that I've seen in fanfic is
usually a teenaged girl who pops into L&C's lives, becomes
close friends with them, and helps them with a case.
Whether it actually is or not, it sounds like the writer is
fulfilling her fantasy of meeting L&C, and the whole story
seems to focus on this character and how grateful L&C are
to her and how much they want her to be part of their
lives, instead of focusing on what I want to read, which is
L&C. So, while the first person part may work, the story
doesn't--for me, anyway. <

Ye gods, you mean that there are "Lt Mary Sue" stories for
L&C too? Oh, boy.... I'm half-tempted to ask for the
location of a few of these, just for the fun(?) of reading
them. Or do I want to admit that I might read them? <g>

Actually, I'm amazed that I haven't seen any such stories
already, if they're out there (and I don't doubt that they
are if Sheila says so) -- or, at least, haven't recognised
them as such.

Phil, slightly stunned at the thought of "Mary Sue Meets
L&C"
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:21:22 +0200
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Hi Folcs,
you know what? L&C is a great way to improve your foreign language skills.
I, for example had almost no practise in English before I fell in love with
our
Lois&Clark and it did wonders! I read (and read and read) English
fanfiction, I
suck in all the great mails from Loiscla and from this list here, I chat on
IRC
with fans from all over the world and I watch the show in the original
version
and not in our sychronised version, because I want to hear the real voices.
So my English has become a lot better. Never say anything bad about TV <g>!

Reading Englisch fanfiction is great, but *writing* fanfiction in a foreign
language is a whole other thing and although some of us tried, it's never
the
same result than writing a story in our own language. So the little group of
fanfiction writers in Germany decided to create a "German fanfiction
Archive"
where we post L&C Fanfiction written in German. And of course we want to
invite
everyone, who's looking for a way to practise German *and* have fun to
visit! The
URL is: http://tv.freepage.de/lncfanfic/index.htm

It's not very large yet <g>. We only have 10 stories so far, but we're
working on
it :-)

take care all
Nicole

AKA CKgroupie on IRC
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Dear FoLCs,

I want to tell you that I have seriously enjoyed my membership in theis list
over the past months, and that I will miss all of you very much. However, I
have recently started working on a business project that has the potential
to
solve the current financial mess that I'm in, and I feel that I need to make
spending my time doing this a priority. I will not forget you all, though -
and I certainly wish you well in your writing and in your lives in general.
Also, I would welcome private e-mail from any of you that have the time.
(It's
just the time on the list that I need to cut out! <VBG>) Keep up the good
work, you guys!

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In a message dated 10/6/98 9:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK writes:

<< Wonder why that is? What is it about Clark that makes it
 hard to write from his POV, either 1st or 3rd person
 (if you look at fanfic, I'd reckon that more scenes are
 written from other characters' POV than Clark's -- with
 the possible exception of angst)? >>

I think in most stories, the point of view is given to whichever character
is
driving the events, or has to drive the events.  That is, in Counter Clark-
wise, the story is almost entirely from Clark's point of view, it has to be
because he's the *only* character who can change the outcome. Other points
of
view could have been used, but they would have been superfluous because they
could have no impact on the inevitable outcome. In the round robin story 'A
World Without Superman', it was almost entirely from Lois' point of view
because she was the only one from the 'present' sent back to the past, and
so
anyone else's point of view would have been of little value. Again, they
couldn't impact the outcome.  It was also fun to have Lois's 4th season
knowledge of her and Clark's relationship, going back to the pilot episode
and
looking at Clark through new eyes ... so to speak. In most of the Lois and
Clark stories though, the point of view shifts often between Lois and Clark
(at least the ones I enjoy reading ;)  As with the series, the outcome will
be
impacted by both of them and so both their points of view are important.

Sheila Harper wrote:

>>>The other use of first person that I've seen in fanfic is usually a
teenaged
girl who pops into L&C's lives, becomes close friends with them, and helps
them with a case.  Whether it actually is or not, it sounds like the writer
is fulfilling her fantasy of meeting L&C<<<

Yes, this is called "Mary Sue" fanfic.  It, like most elements to fanfic,
goes
back to the original Star Trek series and the fanfic it generated.  Mary Sue
refers to a type of fanfic wherein a writer puts himself/herself in the
story
to help the main characters or to even have a romance with one of them.
Deathfic can also fall into this category if it involves one character left
behind to carry on (almost *always* Clark) and so Clark (who almost always
has
an adorable toddler that is a miniature image of Lois) falls in love with
someone else, but Lois will always be in his heart ... somewhere ;)

Lab Rat wrote:

>>>I guess the circumstances have to be
right at the time. Curiously, none of them are LNC. But I have read some
beautiful X FILES fic recently which was written in first person. As always
though<<<

The X-Files lends itself to first person POV because that is a facet of the
show itself, i.e., characters doing narration in first person.  It would be
the same if someone wanted to write Kolchak The Night Stalker fanfic (the
show
that inspired Chris Carter when creating The X-Files).  Kolchak always did
first person narration, "The temperature had dropped several degrees by the
time I got off the phone with Tony Vincenzo, a man whose approach to dieting
meant one slice of cheese on his hamburger as opposed to two."  Also, with
The
X-Files, unlike Lois and Clark, the main characters seem to speak their most
serious and personal thoughts in first person narration rather than
vocalizing
these feelings to each other  (it kind of corresponds to 'thought balloons'
in
comic books)  Curiously, it's not first person narration that bothers me in
X-
Files fanfic so much as actual dialog if it is of a romantic nature.  That's
when the story seems to have them totally out of character, at least for me.

Lastly, the place where first person intrudes the most, for me, is in nfic.
I'm afraid I much prefer being a voyeur to what Lois and Clark are doing
rather than being a participant, but first person in this case does force
the
reader to participate <g>

Zoomway@aol.com (but it's 'present tense' writing that bugs me more than
anything ;)
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In a message dated 98-10-06 10:14:33 EDT, Phillip.Atcliffe@UWE.AC.UK writes:

<< What is it about Clark that makes it
 hard to write from his POV, either 1st or 3rd person
 (if you look at fanfic, I'd reckon that more scenes are
 written from other characters' POV than Clark's -- with
 the possible exception of angst)? Is it that he's male,
 whereas most fanfic writers are female? Is it something
 about his unique nature (alien physiology, Kansas farm-boy
 upbringing, world-wanderer, double life) that authors find
 difficult to relate to, much less express? Is it anything
 at all -- or do writers shy away from Clark because they
 don't _think_ they can get him right? >>

I suspect it's not gender, but a real inability to figure out just what is
going on in his head. YOu'd have to describe how the powers work and how he
senses things and it's all so different from human--but we just don't know
exactly how different....

--Laurie
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Phil wrote:

>Wonder why that is? What is it about Clark that makes it
>hard to write from his POV, either 1st or 3rd person
>(if you look at fanfic, I'd reckon that more scenes are
>written from other characters' POV than Clark's -- with
>the possible exception of angst)? Is it that he's male,
>whereas most fanfic writers are female? Is it something
>about his unique nature (alien physiology, Kansas farm-boy
>upbringing, world-wanderer, double life) that authors find
>difficult to relate to, much less express? Is it anything
>at all -- or do writers shy away from Clark because they
>don't _think_ they can get him right?

I've noticed this too, in my writing as well as others.  However, I think
it's because part of Clark's character is that he is, for the most part,
emotionally stable.  Because of this, he doesn't really have a distinctive
personality, other than the fact that he's such a do-gooder.  Conversely,
Lois is known to be very expressive.  She's an incessant babbler and tends
to fly off the handle at the simplest little things.  It's much easier to
guess what's going on in the mind of a character like this than it is see
inside the mind of one that rarely has emotional outbursts (i. e. Clark).
At least that's why I tend to write more from Lois's p. o. v. (third
person, I've never deigned to attempt a first person fanfic myself).

[snip]

I, too, am quite wary about fiction written in the first person.  There was
a time when I wouldn't read *anything* in the first person if my life
depended on it.  However, last year I finally gave in and decided to take
the plunge.  The fanfic I decided to read was "The True and Amazing
Adventures of Wanda Detroit" by Nekanuq (I think . . . I hope) and it was
one of the best fanfics I've ever read!  Ever since reading that fanfic,
I'll actually read a couple of paragraphs of a first person fanfic before I
decide to put it away, *if* I decide to put it away.  It turns out that
opening my mind to first person narration was one of the best things I've
done.  My favourite novel is written in the first person and, if it wasn't
for Nekanuq's story, I never would have read this novel ("Outlander" by
Diana Gabaldon -- which I *highly* recommend, along with Nekanuq's story,
if you've never read it).

Karen :)
who says, "Go read these things right now!"  ;)
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>At 11:14 AM -0700 10/5/98, Susan wrote:
>>I really enjoyed the Kerth Awards this year and I think there are
>>plans to do this again for 1998 stories, correct?  Who is planning
>>this and determining the categories? :)

Then Kathy wrote:
>I believe Erin Klingler is coordinating them this year. I've offered to
>help out, as I'm sure other people have as well.
>
>Erin, is this right?

Uh-oh.  Guess I've been cornered, huh? <bg>  No, seriously, I am very much
looking forward to coordinating the Kerths for next year, but I can't do it
alone! :)  Thankfully Kathy has agreed to be my partner in crime (so to
speak <g>), and a handful of others have agreed to help, as well.

For those of you interested in helping, email me in the next few months.  No
rush, though, since the Kerths won't be until February or so.  But consider
it, will you all?  It's a tremendously fun and worthwhile endeavor. :)  I've
already gotten a couple of suggestions from ppl about different categories,
improvements that could be made on our last Kerth ceremony, etc.  So feel
free to email me with suggestions or ideas.

Thanks!

Erin  :)
aka ELK on IRC
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First of all, hi to everyone on this list, since I'm new here and I've =
been lurking for a while, some of you may know me from #loiscla or the =
other list.  Anyway, more to the point, I've started (well, re-started) =
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"You bet your sweet little chumpy I am",
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Just read the story and I love it. I thought it should of been done that way
too!  :c)

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Christy said:
>I was wondering if others have this same opinion about first person. The
last
>fanfic I was working on (way back when I actually had free time) is in
first
>person and at least one of my editors commented about that. Personally,
>I'm not
>bothered by first person if it's used correctly. In fact, I think there are
>some fanfics that could benefit from first person. In an interesting
>coincidence, the professor of my intro to fiction writing class mentioned
just
>today that writers should have experience with a variety of viewpoints so
>they'll be able to pick the best one to fit their story. Any other
opinions?

I have the same opinion of first person as I do with any other viewpoint in
fanfic- if it's done well, I like it. If it's not, well... my tolerance for
crappy writing (even my own) is fairly low.

I've found first person a fairly difficult voice to work in. With third
person omniscient, the most common of voices, it's easy to fit in the
description of the scene, and the thought processes of all the characters.
Even third person limited gives you some freedom with describing characters
other than your focal character. With first person, you're much more
limited. You can only describe what your focal character sees and hears and
thinks, and you have to describe it the same way they would.

That's what makes it such a challenge, especially from Clark's POV. Clark
can see and hear quite a bit more than anyone else, but (and especially
with 1st or 2nd season Clark), he's very apt to take things at face value.
The suspicion and speculation inherent in Lois' POV just isn't there. It's
kind of fun to run off at the keyboard when writing Lois, but it's just not
in Clark.

As far as Mary Sues go- I'm just not interested. If the writing's good
enough for me to make it through the first couple of paragraphs, often the
plot (or lack thereof) doesn't hold my interest much past that point.

The first person fanfics that did grab my attention areThe True and Amazing
Adventures of Wanda Detroit by Nekanuq (Lois...er- Wanda's POV) and My
Adventures With Superman by Kathryn Ann Kent. I thought for a moment
Clark...Who? by Margaret Brignell was first person, but it's third person
limited from Lois' POV. Still- read it! Those are the only ones that I can
remember from the archive- I must be getting senile in my old age. Anyone
have any other recommendations?

Misha (mhall@sound.net)
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"Writing is easy. All you do is stare at a blank piece of paper
until drops of blood form on your forehead." -- Gene Fowler
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Hi-

Last year I helped cout the votes...I'll do it again this year!

Mariann
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<< What is it about Clark that makes it
 hard to write from his POV, either 1st or 3rd person
 (if you look at fanfic, I'd reckon that more scenes are
 written from other characters' POV than Clark's -- with
 the possible exception of angst)? <<<

Maybe I'm in the minority here ... in general I find it easier to write
>from Clark's POV than Lois's.  I guess I identify more strongly with his
character, and tend to think first of Clark's feelings when something
happens before any of the other characters'.  Though I guess you'd have to
ask my readers if I do a good job of getting into Clark's head. <g>

I usually try to alternate scenes between Lois and Clark's POV in my fics,
unless, as Zoom said, the story needs to be told exlusively from one POV or
the other.

Now, the two stories I've written this way have been in Lois's POV, not
Clark's.    But again, those two stories required a single POV for most of
the action.  In "Revisionist History", it was mostly in Lois's POV because
she didn't know what was coming next, and if I had changed to Clark's POV,
the suspense would have been broken.  "When Day Breaks" was all from Lois's
POV, but it was just a single scene so it's not the best example.

But I don't consider myself to have a hard time writing Clark's POV.  In
the story I've been writing with Demi, in fact, it's the Lois POV scenes
that seem to make me freeze up. I can picture what's going to happen, but I
can't get into her head to write it.  The Clark scenes are much easier for
me.  I know exactly how he's going to react.

Kathy (whose blood pressure also rises when confronted with a present tense
fic. ;))

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At 2:15 PM -0700 10/6/98, Mandy Crustner wrote:
>>>but I need a kind soul willing to help me with some LnC related dates
>>>(i.e. the  day of their wedding, the day The Planet blew up) I don't
>>>know if these were  ever mentioned, or if I should just follow the
>>>broadcast dates or  whatever. <<<<

The date of the wedding was October 6, 1996 (Happy 2nd Anniversary, Lois
and Clark! <g>).  The date of the original wedding (the one Lex broke up by
kidnapping Lois) was February 11, 1996.

Clark's birthday is February 29, 1966, and he was found by the Kents on May
17, 1966.  Lois was born in 1967, but we only know she is a Libra, which
puts her birthday somewhere from the third week of Sept. to the third week
of October.

The pilot was originally thought to take place in Sept 1993, but in
"SuperMann" we discover that it was actually in May 1993.  This actually
solves a lot of problems -- like how the Smallville corn festival was held
in the fall instead of the summer. <g>

For the rest of the stuff, I tend to use original broadcast dates, but
that's not to say you don't have some flexibility.  With summer breaks, we
have to stretch out episodes to cover the entire year.  For example, how
much time passed between "House of Luthor" and "Madame Ex"?  In my stories,
I tend to put a few months in there somewhere -- Lois and Clark need time
to reconnect, Lois needs time to rebuild her confidence, etc., before she
starts to show interest in Clark in early 2nd season eps like "Wall of
Sound" and "That Old Gang Of Mine".  But you can be flexible -- you can
have the Lois/Lex wedding take place in May to match the airdate, or you
can push it later in the summer so that less time passes before "Madame
Ex", depending on your opinion of how much time passed.

We have the same problem with the other summer breaks, especially the NK
arc.  If you assume that Clark left for NK at the end of "Big Girls Don't
Fly" in May, it contradicts the end of "Battleground Earth", where Clark
tells Lois "let's not plan, let's not wait ... marry me."  Since the
wedding date is known to be October 6, too much time would pass for "Lord
of the Flys/Battleground Earth" be in the spring.  So, we can only assume
that "Through A Glass Darkly/Big Girls" was set in the fall, like the early
eps of season 4.

So, my advice -- use airdates where it's logical.  Otherwise, you can be
flexible as long as you can explain why you are setting things when you are.

Hope that helps!

Kathy

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This may sound dumb but i'm new here...what are the kerth awards?

-Ang
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Hey Kathy

Thanks for this! We in the UK have an even bigger problem trying to sort out
important dates as we were always airing behind you anyway. Or, at least I
always do! I find myself automatically thinking that certain things happened
in July because that's when an episode aired and then having to correct
myself with the reminder that everyone was wearing overcoats and scarfs and
it was snowing. <g> It's also rather disconcerting when Christmas happens in
June!

>At 2:15 PM -0700 10/6/98, Mandy Crustner wrote:
>>>>but I need a kind soul willing to help me with some LnC related dates
>>>>(i.e. the  day of their wedding, the day The Planet blew up) I don't
>>>>know if these were  ever mentioned, or if I should just follow the
>>>>broadcast dates or  whatever. <<<<
>
>The date of the wedding was October 6, 1996 (Happy 2nd Anniversary, Lois
>and Clark! <g>).  The date of the original wedding (the one Lex broke up by
>kidnapping Lois) was February 11, 1996.
>
>Clark's birthday is February 29, 1966, and he was found by the Kents on May
>17, 1966.  Lois was born in 1967, but we only know she is a Libra, which
>puts her birthday somewhere from the third week of Sept. to the third week
>of October.
>
>The pilot was originally thought to take place in Sept 1993, but in
>"SuperMann" we discover that it was actually in May 1993.  This actually
>solves a lot of problems -- like how the Smallville corn festival was held
>in the fall instead of the summer. <g>
>
>For the rest of the stuff, I tend to use original broadcast dates, but
>that's not to say you don't have some flexibility.  With summer breaks, we
>have to stretch out episodes to cover the entire year.  For example, how
>much time passed between "House of Luthor" and "Madame Ex"?  In my stories,
>I tend to put a few months in there somewhere -- Lois and Clark need time
>to reconnect, Lois needs time to rebuild her confidence, etc., before she
>starts to show interest in Clark in early 2nd season eps like "Wall of
>Sound" and "That Old Gang Of Mine".  But you can be flexible -- you can
>have the Lois/Lex wedding take place in May to match the airdate, or you
>can push it later in the summer so that less time passes before "Madame
>Ex", depending on your opinion of how much time passed.
>
>We have the same problem with the other summer breaks, especially the NK
>arc.  If you assume that Clark left for NK at the end of "Big Girls Don't
>Fly" in May, it contradicts the end of "Battleground Earth", where Clark
>tells Lois "let's not plan, let's not wait ... marry me."  Since the
>wedding date is known to be October 6, too much time would pass for "Lord
>of the Flys/Battleground Earth" be in the spring.  So, we can only assume
>that "Through A Glass Darkly/Big Girls" was set in the fall, like the early
>eps of season 4.
>
>So, my advice -- use airdates where it's logical.  Otherwise, you can be
>flexible as long as you can explain why you are setting things when you
are.
>
>Hope that helps!
>
>Kathy
>
>
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At 6:45 PM -0500 10/6/98, Angela Flouras wrote:
>This may sound dumb but i'm new here...what are the kerth awards?

The Kerth Award on the show was the journalism award that Clark was
nominated for (and won) in "Wall of Sound", the second episode of the
second season.  Lois was upset because Clark beat her out for the
nomination, even though she'd been nominated every year she'd been eligible
and had already won 3 of them.  She ended up swallowing her pride, however,
and accompanied Clark to the ceremony as his date.  (She had already asked
him to be *her* date before the nominees were announced, since they both
assumed that Lois would get the nod again.)

The Fanfic Kerth Awards is the FoLCs name for ... well, the Kerth Award for
fanfic. <g>  We picked the name last year when we decided to give out
awards for the best fanfics.  The first annual Fanfic Kerth Awards were
held last March.  You can find a list of nominees and winners on the L&C
Fanfic Archive.

It was such a success that we decided to hold another vote early next year
for all fanfics that were released in 1998.  That event will start being
organized early in 1999.

Hope this helps,

Kathy

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At 08:07 AM 10/6/1998 -0500, Sheila H. wrote:

>[snip] Frankly, as much as I love to write
>Clark, as well as I feel that I know him, as much as he and I share a
>"helper" personality, I'm not sure I could carry off a first person story
>>from his point of view.

I'd love to try this, since I already like and prefer to write from his
POV, but
to try him first person... I'd probably write a pre-Lois story because I
don't
think I could write as a young man infatuated with a woman :) (I can
describe it,
but I can't *be* it...) I think I can write somebody exploring the world
though
(Carry Tiger to Mountain might have worked in first person were it not a
story within
a story), so that's the angle I'd use in any story I wrote. Assuming I
actually had
*time*...

Debby
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for Y2k, as it may start
as early as 01/01/99
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Just out of curiosity, was there a Meriwether Award (or something like
that) for Journalism in the first season that Lois didn't win?  I might
be getting confused, but I thought I heard that in a first season
episode.

Nethra
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At 10:33 PM -0400 10/6/98, Nethra Ankam wrote:
>Just out of curiosity, was there a Meriwether Award (or something like
>that) for Journalism in the first season that Lois didn't win?  I might
>be getting confused, but I thought I heard that in a first season
>episode.

There was a Meriwether from early first season, but I can't remember
whether it was just Lois that had been nominated in the reference, or if
Lane and Kent had been nominated together for some piece.

Kathy

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Kathy Brown once said:
>> I believe Erin Klingler is coordinating them [the Kerth Awards] this
year. I've offered to help out, as I'm sure other people have as well. <<=

I suppose I should speak up at some point :-)  If whoever is coordinating=

the awards would like for me to coordinate the awards show, I'd be happy =
to
do that (as long as we hold it before April...).  Someone mentioned
fewer categories this year, so that should simplify things tremendously <=
g>

PJ

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>> This may sound dumb but i'm new here...what are the kerth awards? <<

Not a dumb question at all Ang :-)  Kerth awards are the recognition that=

we as fans give to our favorite fanfic stories (we got the name from a
journalism award that Clark won in "Wall of Sound").  There are several
websites out there that will give you more info and fill you in about las=
t
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/kerth.html

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>At 10:33 PM -0400 10/6/98, Nethra Ankam wrote:
>>Just out of curiosity, was there a Meriwether Award (or something like
>>that) for Journalism in the first season that Lois didn't win?  I might
>>be getting confused, but I thought I heard that in a first season
>>episode.
>
>There was a Meriwether from early first season, but I can't remember
>whether it was just Lois that had been nominated in the reference, or if
>Lane and Kent had been nominated together for some piece.
>
>Kathy
>

As far as I recall, Lois and Clark were nominated for the Merriweather Award
in REQUIEM, but failed to win it. I've got a followon though. I think, at
some point (perhaps in the same episode) we see Lois sitting at her desk
typing and I am almost positive that we also see a Merriweather Award
propped against the desk partition, which she's won previously. It seems to
comprise of a gold feather. Anyone confirm?

LabRat :-) (relying on her memory instead of checking the tape....which is
not always a good idea)
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Kathy wrote: >>Maybe I'm in the minority here ... in general I find it
easier
to write
>from Clark's POV than Lois's. <<

I join the minority because I also find it easier to write from Clark's
point
of view.  To me, the Superman legend is first about Superman and about *his*
problems dealing with being such a person.  Maybe this comes from having
grown
up reading Superman comics.  But Ionly in third person - my one attempt to
write Clark in the *first* person failed.  I think I felt unworthy to try to
actually be inside my hero's mind.  Silly? Or truth?  <g>

Karen wrote: >> I think it's because part of Clark's character is that he
is,
for the most part, emotionally stable.  Because of this, he doesn't really
have a distinctive personality, other than the fact that he's such a do-
gooder. <<

Now this is why it's nice to have all different points of view creating many
different stories.  I find Clark's personality to be very distinctive and,
while he's outwardly emotionally stable, inwardly he's constantly in turmoil
over his desire for a 'real' life and his duty to be Superman.  Part of
Lois's
value to Clark is her ability to help him calm this turmoil somewhat.

On a side note, Zoom mentioned the 'Mary Sue" character, which reminded me
that as I watched Futuresport I thought that the character with the pierced
nose - what was her name? - seemed very 'Mary Sue'ish.  I was glad to read
that Robert Wolfe had originally written her as someone much more original
and
complex.  Another pox on TPTB for their great ability to dumb down any good
writing to the lowest possible level.

Donna H
donnah7@aol.com
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Okay, why do I have no idea who "Mary Sue" is??

Vicki
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Does anyone have a fanfic which descibes what Lois and Clark's lives
would be like if the secret got out and everyone knew?  It would be
preferable if they already were married.  It does not matter if they
have kids or not.

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Hey Vicki!

Maybe you've just been exceptionally fortunate! Trust me - you don't *want*
to know! Actually, I've no idea myself why readers of TREK fanfic picked
'Mary Sue' as a name to describe this genre. Anyone? I'm sure its origins
must have been explained in one of the TREK books I read in my youth (while
I was avoiding reading Mary Sue's like the plague!), but I have no
recollection of it. Except a vague memory that it came to be called that
because nine times out of ten Mary Sue was what the perky young girl who
came to the rescue and had all the male crew members on the Enterprise
falling for her beauty and throwing over their careers to sail off into the
sunset with her and live happily ever after (yeah, right!) was invariably
called in this fanfic sub-genre.

LabRat :-)

>Okay, why do I have no idea who "Mary Sue" is??
>
>Vicki
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From:         Gillian B Tanz <aliendove@JUNO.COM>
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<<But don't let that stop you from writing and experimenting.  Fanfic is
written for the author's pleasure, so if you have a story burning inside
you
that needs first person or needs a teenaged girl who entirely steals the
scene from L&C <g>, write it.  FoLCdom is large--somewhere out there,
someone probably wants to read just the story that you're itching to
write.

Sheila
(English teachers can't ever seem to give praise without also adding
suggestions for improvement)
sharper@cncc.cc.co.us>>

Well... gee wiz.  Funny how us FoLCs seem to run off on tangents isn't
it?  But I guess that's half the fun <g>  Actually, I hadn't yet pondered
the question of POV.  I agree, first person is *very* challenging,
especially if the character you're writing is not of your own creation.
However, this girl would be my own, and to get all the insight I want
into her life, her emotions, etc I would've thought a first person POV
would be the best route.  I might try first person and see if it works.
If it doesn't, I'll resort to my old reliable, the omniscient third
person. :)  Thanks for the input :)  I really appreciate it I'll
certainly keep it all in mind.
-Jill aka AlienDove-
AlienDove@juno.com
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I'm really behind on the posts, here, and I'm coming out of very deep
lurking to do this, but I just had to say that this one had me howling
with laughter!!!
Up here in Canada, I have the admit the conversation about
mispronounciations strikes me as funny.  I guess that's because we pride
ourselves as the only ones who actually pronounce the majority of English
words the way the dictionary says they should be pronounced.  But even
here, we've got our own idiosyncracies, and a whole lot of American ones
as well.  I've got a roommate from northern British Columbia who says
"yous" like a Chicago native!
But it certainly is funny to be reminded of some of the many colourful
ways the English language can be spoken!

Angie
Who could say A LOT about the whole grammar thing, but who won't, because
she's spending WAY too much time marking horribly written reading reports,
and bemoaning the state of education today!

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Elizabeth Eve Davis wrote:

> Kathy Brown wrote:
>
> > Kansas and Arkansas don't sound anything alike, believe it or not.  It's
> > not Ar-kansas.  It's pronounced "Ar-kan-saw".
> >
>  Actually it's illegal in Arkansas to mispronounce the name.
>
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hey, I'm new to this mailing list, but I love Lois and Clark!  So what are
we supposed to write here?  I really would like to be involved in things
having to do with L & C but where I live it's low on the populairty list.  I
know that Dean is getting married to Mindy McCready in Colorado on Nov
22nd.=
 :(

But anyways.. I really Love L&C=20

bye
   =20

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In a message dated 10/7/98, 4:46:40 PM,
LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
writes:
<<hey, I'm new to this mailing list, but I love Lois and Clark!  So what are
we supposed to write here?  I really would like to be involved in things
having to do with L & C but where I live it's low on the populairty list.  I
know that Dean is getting married to Mindy McCready in Colorado on Nov 22nd.
:(
>>

Hello and Welcome to the fanfic listserv for Lois and Clark!!!

One thing though........Dean is now a single man again......he and Mindy
broke
off their engagement a few months ago.

Well no matter where you live - Lois and Clark is very popular with all of
us
here!

AStory2873@aol.com
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Subject:      Re: hi!

Well hi  yourself!  Jeez, talk about surprises.... silly me thinking this
was just gonna be a regular new folc intro and BAM!  you hit us with this
news... I have to ask...where did you hear this?  To be honest...I find
it hard to believe...
Anywayz!  Now that I've scared the b-jeebers out of you, welcome to the
list :)  We talk about anything and everything LnC related and sometimes
we go off on tangents.  But then we've got Zoomway (the management) there
to wag a finger at us and get us back on track.  Hope you get to love the
list as much as I do :)  If you're a FoLC you don't have to worry; you'll
fit right in <g>  Once again, welcome :)
-Jill aka AlienDove-
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On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:35:50 -0400 =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=EA=A7s?=
<rlang@HUDSON.NET> writes:
>hey, I'm new to this mailing list, but I love Lois and Clark!  So what
>are
>we supposed to write here?  I really would like to be involved in
>things
>having to do with L & C but where I live it's low on the populairty
>list.  I
>know that Dean is getting married to Mindy McCready in Colorado on Nov
>22nd.=
> :(
>
>But anyways.. I really Love L&C=20
>
>bye
>   =20
>
>********
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Oh dear.  I've screwed up again.  Wrong...list...agh!  Forget eveything I
said about Zoomway, she's not the management, that's the other list....
this list is for Lois and Clark fanfiction..... My most sincere apologies
everyone...really...I am SO sorry!
-Jill aka AlienDove- who is very, very embarrased....
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Youth
On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:54:55 EDT April Story <AStory2873@AOL.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 10/7/98, 4:46:40 PM,
>LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>writes:
><<hey, I'm new to this mailing list, but I love Lois and Clark!  So
>what are
>we supposed to write here?  I really would like to be involved in
>things
>having to do with L & C but where I live it's low on the populairty
>list.  I
>know that Dean is getting married to Mindy McCready in Colorado on Nov
>22nd.
>:(
>>>
>
>
>Hello and Welcome to the fanfic listserv for Lois and Clark!!!
>
>One thing though........Dean is now a single man again......he and
>Mindy broke
>off their engagement a few months ago.
>
>Well no matter where you live - Lois and Clark is very popular with
>all of us
>here!
>
>
>
>AStory2873@aol.com
>
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From:         Jenny Stosser <jenerate@OZRAMP.NET.AU>
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At 03:13 PM 06/10/98 -0400, Atcliffe, Phillip wrote:
>On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:07:40 -0500 Sheila Harper
><sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US> wrote:
>
>> There's a difference here between the use of first person
>in general and its use in fanfic. It's one thing to use a
>first person voice on a character you created. No one but
>you knows how the character should sound and whatever you
>do will be accepted by your readers if you're consistent. <
>
>> However, fanfic is a different situation. Too many
>writers who choose first person use it for an existing
>character (usually Lois, sometimes Jimmy, rarely Clark). <
>
>Wonder why that is? What is it about Clark that makes it
>hard to write from his POV, either 1st or 3rd person
>(if you look at fanfic, I'd reckon that more scenes are
>written from other characters' POV than Clark's -- with
>the possible exception of angst)? Is it that he's male,
>whereas most fanfic writers are female? Is it something
>about his unique nature (alien physiology, Kansas farm-boy
>upbringing, world-wanderer, double life) that authors find
>difficult to relate to, much less express? Is it anything
>at all -- or do writers shy away from Clark because they
>don't _think_ they can get him right?

<snip>

I am not sure about this, but while I'm waiting for my first hot shower in
10 days or so, I'll have a go and tell you my thoughts on the matter <G>
Maybe it's because we all like WATCHING Clark, but we none of us want to BE
him?
Or is that too simplistic?
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At 04:54 PM 10/07/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 10/7/98, 4:46:40 PM,
LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>writes:
><<hey, I'm new to this mailing list, but I love Lois and Clark!  So what
are
>we supposed to write here?  I really would like to be involved in things
>having to do with L & C but where I live it's low on the populairty list.
I
>know that Dean is getting married to Mindy McCready in Colorado on Nov
22nd.
>:(
>>>
>
>
>Hello and Welcome to the fanfic listserv for Lois and Clark!!!
>
>One thing though........Dean is now a single man again......he and Mindy
broke
>off their engagement a few months ago.
>

Mindy McCready is a student at RIT. I saw her here yesterday.
Ok it was just someone who looked like her but WOW! what a dead-ringer.

Gary
Cloning is good. Cloning is good.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:28:32 +1000
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At 02:08 PM 06/10/98 -0400, Karen Ward wrote:
<big snip>
>done.  My favourite novel is written in the first person and, if it wasn't
>for Nekanuq's story, I never would have read this novel ("Outlander" by
>Diana Gabaldon -- which I *highly* recommend, along with Nekanuq's story,
>if you've never read it).
>
>Karen :)
>who says, "Go read these things right now!"  ;)

Since I figure there's plenty of other ppl out there who also enjoyed the
Outlander series, I'll reply to the list, rather than directly to Karen:

Ms Gabaldon has a wonderful website
http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~gatti/gabaldon/gabaldon.html which includes
snippets from her current works!  I missed out on meeting her by about a
month.  I learned after I had read all her books that she had visited a
bookstore about a 10 minute drive from me a month previous.  Was I mad or
what???

Did you know that Outlander is called "A Stitch in Time" in the
English/Australian edition, and that the dates are stuffed up in them:
without giving too much away, I'll say that when 1969 is mentioned in the
US version, it appears as 1967 in the edition I read (or was that vice
versa, it's been a while since I read it)

Anyway, I too, highly recommend these books.  If you start reading now,
you'll be finished the 4 books just as the 5th comes out! <G>
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I wrote:
<big snip>
Oops!
>Did you know that Outlander is called "A Stitch in Time" in the
English/Australian edition,
It's actually called "Cross Stitch".
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In a message dated 98-10-07 13:17:21 EDT, you write:

<< Does anyone have a fanfic which descibes what Lois and Clark's lives
 would be like if the secret got out and everyone knew?  It would be
 preferable if they already were married.  It does not matter if they
 have kids or not.  >>

How about a story in which the "World" found out before Lois? For that
matter,
how about a story where Clark grows up in the public eye as a known alien
child?
Any takers out there?

budmayes@aol.com
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:52:51 -0700
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From:         Sara Kraft <srkraft@U.ARIZONA.EDU>
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I just finished watching TOGOM on TNT and I know there was a fanfic in
which someone finds a flaw in Dr. Hamilton's DNA Regeneration process which
makes Lois fear for Clark's life again.  Can anyone tell me the title and
or the author?

Thanks,
Sara
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At 02:52 PM 10/7/1998 -0700, Sara wrote:
>I just finished watching TOGOM on TNT and I know there was a fanfic in
>which someone finds a flaw in Dr. Hamilton's DNA Regeneration process which
>makes Lois fear for Clark's life again.  Can anyone tell me the title and
>or the author?

I think you're thinking of "Degeneration" by Jeff Brogden.  One of my
personal favourites:)

Margaret

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In most of the "Mary Sues" I read, the brilliant and courageous young MS
would
save the ship, but lose her life in the saving.  She would collapse on the
bridge and, in the arms of one of the main characters, breathe her last,
while
all the male officers of the Big E would weep for her lost youth and
beauty.....sigh.....they just don't write 'em like that anymore.......<g>
Piper
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In a message dated 10/7/98 3:58:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
aliendove@JUNO.COM writes:

<< We talk about anything and everything LnC related and sometimes
 we go off on tangents.  But then we've got Zoomway (the management) there
 to wag a finger at us and get us back on track.  Hope you get to love the
 list as much as I do :)  If you're a FoLC you don't have to worry; you'll
 fit right in <g>  Once again, welcome :) >>

Nyet <g>  I'm *not* the list mom on the fanfic list.  I'm the listmom on the
L&C discussion list.  I know it's confusing for some who are subscribed to
both lists, but when you see the INDIANA.EDU in the address, that's the
*fanfic* list.  When you see VM.EGE.EDU.TR that's the *discussion* list
They're both 'LOISCLA' and that might be where it's confusing.

When you see the INDIANA.EDU ending, the list mom is Farah Chisham.
fchisham@INDIANA.EDU

When you see VM.EGE.EDU.TR, I'm the list mom, and can be found at:

Zoomway@aol.com
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what is TOGOM?
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Thanks Margaret!

>what is TOGOM?

This is an episode acronym.  This Old Gang Of Mine.

Sara
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Oh, Piper - what truly awful memories you brought back with this one! LOL!
Actually, maybe the authors of the MS fanfic should be hailed as heroes -
they certainly did provide a lot of fun back then. I can remember with
nostalgia being curled up on the bed in my hotel room at TREK conventions in
the Seventies, while we took turns reading out sections of these and howling
into the small hours of the morning. Times were we thought our ribs had
broken by the time dawn arrived. Sigh...... good times. <g>

LabRat :-)

>In most of the "Mary Sues" I read, the brilliant and courageous young MS
would
>save the ship, but lose her life in the saving.  She would collapse on the
>bridge and, in the arms of one of the main characters, breathe her last,
while
>all the male officers of the Big E would weep for her lost youth and
>beauty.....sigh.....they just don't write 'em like that anymore.......<g>
>Piper
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At 06:25  7/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>what is TOGOM?
>

I think that it means That Old Gang Of Mine ( season 2 ep #28)=20
>

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At 10:16 AM -0700 10/7/98, Christina Batouli wrote:
>Does anyone have a fanfic which descibes what Lois and Clark's lives
>would be like if the secret got out and everyone knew?  It would be
>preferable if they already were married.  It does not matter if they
>have kids or not.

Try Erin Klingler's "When You Needed Me Most".

You could also try looking in the Theme section of the Archive under
"Revelations (Other)" for more possibilities.  Most of these seem to
involve Perry or Jimmy, but there very well may be some world ones in there.

At 2:52 PM -0700 10/7/98, Sara Kraft wrote:
>I just finished watching TOGOM on TNT and I know there was a fanfic in
>which someone finds a flaw in Dr. Hamilton's DNA Regeneration process which
>makes Lois fear for Clark's life again.  Can anyone tell me the title and
>or the author?

"Degeneration" by Jeff Brogden.  One of my favs. :)

Kathy

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In a message dated 98-10-07 16:58:07 EDT, aliendove@JUNO.COM writes:

<< We talk about anything and everything LnC related and sometimes
 we go off on tangents.  But then we've got Zoomway (the management) there
 to wag a finger at us and get us back on track.  >>

Um, that's the other list... This one is mainly about fanfic and related
topics (except when the other list is down and then nearly anything LnC
related). On this list Farah is "management."

--Laurie