From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9808C" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:56:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: A Revelation and the Bullet (p 3 of 7) In-Reply-To: <19980814162749.AAA9766@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So, Lloyd, is there a "p 1 of 7" and "p 2 of 7"? If so, they didn't get to the list. Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:23:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gary Subject: Re: A Revelation and the Bullet (p 3 of 7) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980815135603.007d9200@capitalnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:56 PM 8/15/98 -0400, you wrote: >So, Lloyd, is there a "p 1 of 7" and "p 2 of 7"? If so, they didn't get >to the list. > Look for the Subject headings:my fic and next part of my fic :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Gary A. Rudick mailto:gar8434@rit.edu | | My personal FoLC/MATH website | | "What's done to children, they will do to society." - Karl Menninger | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:45:56 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: -Audrey Howard Subject: Re: A Revelation and the Bullet (p 3 of 7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lloyd, I didn't get part 1 and 2 either! -Audrey ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:51:01 -0400 Reply-To: salymc@gateway.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Organization: GWNET Subject: News from the Left Coast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has this been mentioned on loiscla? Well, no harm in mentioning it again if it has.... For you X-Files and/or Tim Minear fans: Heard from Tim yesterday that Lili Taylor was nominated for an Emmy for her role in his X-Files episode.... Now, the question is, we'll she thank him in her acceptance speech for all the wonderful words he put into her mouth? Ah, I know. It's more than the words. She was very good. Sandy salymc@gateway.net http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:03:17 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: beth/leanne controversy-- this is it. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have already spoken/written with leann and beth. I am very upset with beth and am considering kicking her from the list Personally, I have been out of town and am trying to get a job on the east coast. The thread is over with and I am very tired of talking about it. I have already been flamed about three times for my lame post. When I posted it, I didn't realize the extend or history of either of them. I am not everyone's mother. I can do what I can. Once I realized how bad is has gotten, I posted to the list. "NO MORE FLAMES, or you will get kicked." Please, remember that just because someone gets flamed and I immediately don't jump down someone's throat, doesn't mean I don't care. When I said I didn't care what got posted DOESN'T mean flaming is okay, and if you think so, you need to rethink so. There are lots of idiots in this world and we all need to realize this and ignore them or get really upset over them. I do what I can and then ignore them. I am really tired of talking about this subject. I hope you don't mind, but I will post some of this to the list. Not your words, but mine. I am tired of repeating myself. farah :) fchisham@indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:36:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: Re: beth/leanne controversy-- this is it. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry, just had to get it off my chest. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:10:41 -0400 Reply-To: salymc@gateway.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Organization: GWNET Subject: Off Topic Again: Questioning K or Let the Buyer Beware;) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys: Look what I found on "misc.writing.screenplays". He/She's questioning our K. Should I reassure him/her not having read the book nor even met K? >>Subject: Book rec. Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:14:19 GMT From: goro@mindspring.com.NOSPAM (Goro) Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Newsgroups: misc.writing.screenplays I just picked up THE SCRIPT IS FINISHED, NOW WHAT DO I DO? by K Callan. (2/e, (c) 1998) I found the book very interesting and compelling and read thru it voraciously. I wonder what people's general opinion on it was. One main item constantly mentioned is "Do not send scripts directly to studios, only use agents." I wonder how much of this book to take to heart. Thanx on any feedback, -Goro-<< I promise. The next post I submit *will* be fanfic related: a review of -- TADA!-- "The Lone Rider". Sandy salymc@gateway.net http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:32:16 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beth Guide Subject: Re: beth/leanne controversy-- this is it. In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980816190317.0069fca4@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have seen Farah's message. And after much thought and consideration, and in some ways great sadness, I must bid you farewell. I do not feel in my heart of hearts that I can apologize to Leanne, empty, as some have suggested or otherwise. I don't mean it. And, for those of you that do know me, I stand up for what I believe in. And mistake or not I will go to my grave believing there were ulterior motives involved with her post regardless of how she read it. Although my message may have been harsh, it does not mean that I should be sorry for it. Maybe just the packaging it was wrapped in. I have apolgized to the list for that, the only entity I owe an apology to. I also apologized on two occasions to the list owner. My partner did attempt to address Leanne's post in a professional manner privately in e-mail prior to my post reaching the list and she received rude reply. That part was missing from her academy award winning post. Over the course of the past several years I thought that many of you had come to know me as the no nonsense person that I am. I have attempted to serve the FoLC well in all that I did. And although we did not achieve all our goals, I have attempted to help maintain the legacy of Lois and Clark for all that wanted to participate in whatever way I could. However, in that vein, I am having a hard time understanding how you can turn on someone so quickly and someone who has done nothing less than give thier heart and soul to this group for the past two years. I have fought on your behalf in venues we had no business being. I got our message heard when we had no microphone to amplify it. All my efforts were for you the FoLC, the people not to save the show. I thought that the FoLC were a notch above a family of sorts. But this feeding frenzy like sharks in bloody water has changed my opinion. I will continue to be on Loiscla as long has Zoom will let me. However should she feel the need to boot me over their as well, then there is nothing I can do. I will continue foot the bill for the archive for as long as you guys are using it as well as the other sites you guys visit that I have affliations with. I don't believe in punishing a group just because you have words with one member. That is not fair to the rest of you. No one should have to take heat on my behalf and frankly only one of you were person enough to voice your concerns to me first, before going to the list mom. Another fact that great disheartens me. Since it seems to be the wishes of the list mom and those who have "flamed" her that you leave, then I will. Farah, please unsubscribe me. Sincerely, Beth Guide ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:03:36 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Re: beth/leanne controversy-- this is it. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-08-16 23:32:35 EDT, bethg@VONL.COM writes: << I will continue to be on Loiscla as long has Zoom will let me. However should she feel the need to boot me over their as well, then there is nothing I can do. >> Of course, Beth. You've done nothing wrong on LOISCLA and hopefully it won't stay crashed forever ;) We all make missteps, and we all lose our tempers. I don't know if you're already gone, so I sent a copy of this to you via e-mail just in case. You've been a good friend, and more than that, you've been a great "FoLC" I wouldn't have a site if not for your generosity. There'd be no home for the Concordance that so many fans worked on, the WB tour of all the great Lois and Clark locations, the message boards, the L&C music video avis, promos and on and on, the list is virtually endless. I think the neatest thing you did was get an ad in Variety by tirelessly campaigning and rallying fan support and donations for the project, and no one can take that away. It served as the only print ad for Lois and Clark's move to Saturday, even Executive Producer Brad Buckner thanked you (and those who donated) for that. You had to work with ABC even as they were taking fan money with one hand and planning to stab the show with the other. They kept giving you the runaround, but you stuck it out and wouldn't be pushed aside. You've always worked hard for the show and its fans, and I appreciate that more than I can say. A lot of things wouldn't have happened without you, including a new home for the fanfic archive. I thank you for all of that and will miss you on the list, but always be your friend and admirer. Zoomway@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:24:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: beth/leanne controversy-- this is it. Comments: cc: bethgde@aol.com In-Reply-To: <9e915ac3.35d7ab9a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:03 AM 8/17/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Of course, Beth. You've done nothing wrong on LOISCLA and hopefully it won't >stay crashed forever ;) We all make missteps, and we all lose our tempers. I >don't know if you're already gone, so I sent a copy of this to you via e-mail >just in case. You've been a good friend, and more than that, you've been a >great "FoLC" I wouldn't have a site if not for your generosity. There'd be no >home for the Concordance > I think the neatest >thing you did was get an ad in Variety by tirelessly campaigning and rallying >fan support and donations for the project > I thank you for all of that and will miss you on the list, but always >be your friend and admirer. I have to echo Zoom's comments on this issue. Whatever else may be said about this, Beth was responsible for being a public PR figure for the FoLCs. For raising thousands of dollars for a FoLC Ad and for charity in the name of Lois & Clark and it's fans. That coupled with the work she's donated to Zoomway's enormous fan site, the housing of the fanfiction archive when we needed a new home, etc, etc.. makes me tend towards being very willing to overlook one misstep. Just as many other FoLCs were willing to overlook Leanne's own misstep in the publicity of her ultimatum. Both Leanne *and* Beth are FoLCs whose past actions show them to be persons deserving of respect. Neither 'better' than the other. Neither worthy of special further apologies or written attention at this stage in the game. IMHO, the two ladies seem even score for score in their dispute. And *without* taking sides, I believe the best any of us might do on this list now, would be to move on and move forward from here. Best Regards, All... ~Demi _______________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- You gotta dance like nobody's watching, and love like it's never gonna hurt. --- I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. ________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:41:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sara Kraft Subject: FANFIC Alert: ....sort of... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The reason I say sort of, is because this really isn't a fanfic. It's an essay. One which I wrote a few months ago for school. The assingment was to write an essay from an idea or quote in the essays of Montaigne. I thought you folcs might like what I came up with. It'll be along in the next post. Please let me know what you think, personally, or on the list, or both. =) Sara --------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:41:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sara Kraft Subject: My essay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "...for the more our soul is filled, the larger it becomes." -Montaigne- Superman, although fictional in body, shows the world through his actions and good nature, what we strive to be. We all want to be Superman, not necessarily to have super strengths or x-ray vision, but to have grown up in a happy home, with wonderful parents, who taught him the value of the American Dream. As mortals, we aspire to fly to our heights, reach out for our dreams, and catch them. Clark Kent's parents always pushed him to be true to himself and carve out his own destiny. As a child, Clark was taught honesty and the nature of kindness and acceptance. Discovering his alien powers as an adolescent could have been terrifying and disastrous, but instead, the love and support of his confused, but loving parents molded him into a model human being. Because of such great parental figures, he aimed at using his special powers for good, never for evil. Most important of all, the Kents taught him love, how to love and to be loved. As much as he felt loved and at home with his parents on the farm in Smallville, Clark longed to find himself. He traveled around the world in search of his "niche," a place where he felt he belonged. His journeys lead him around the world, finding experience and wisdom. The more he learned, the more he wanted to learn. Filled with the knowledge of a great many languages and customs of numerous nations around the world, Clark still felt empty. Then, he found Lois Lane. More than finding love at first sight, Clark felt a connection to Lois. He knew right then and there that he had found his "niche." Even the learned man that he was, he still had much to learn about friends, relationships, and love. Although hesitant at first, Lois became a willing teacher and student. The budding couple unearthed their feelings for each other, and their love blossomed. They faced many challenges and physical and emotional barriers in their pursuit of 'happily ever after.' Before Metropolis, before Lois Lane, Clark Kent had always felt half-empty in his soul, as did Lois before Clark. Lois and Clark were able to complete each other's souls, making their love larger and stronger than any love ever known. We all want to be Superman, to have his unrelenting goodness, his honest morals, and his undying love. This super man, always concerned for others, spent his time saving lives and affecting the minds and souls of those who benefit from his kind heart. Even driven to the extent of his patience and rage, Superman would never go as far as to take a human life. Lois Lane and Clark Kent are the perfect example of the struggle for love and the power of embracing what is earned in the end. Each one of us spends our lives trying to be this super man. We are all in search of our Lois or Clark to fill our souls and give us the strength to love. --------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:23:24 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: No Name Available Subject: Re: beth/leanne controversy-- this is it. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-08-16 23:32:35 EDT, bethg@VONL.COM writes: << I thought that the FoLC were a notch above a family of sorts. >> We are, but we are also human, I guess--and rather vocal humans who like to express our feelings and thoughts . --Laurie (who admires what Beth accomplished with the ad--and all the other stuff I didn't know she did! and what Leanne accomplished with S5) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:18:18 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Wendy Richards Subject: Re: A Revelation and the Bullet (p 3 of 7) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980815135603.007d9200@capitalnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:56:03 -0400 Margaret Brignell wrote: > So, Lloyd, is there a "p 1 of 7" and "p 2 of 7"? If so, they didn't get > to the list. > Yes they did - last week! I've read them, and so have a number of other list-members. Wendy --------------------- Wendy Richards w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:43:12 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Angee Chaudhry Subject: my essay In-Reply-To: <199808170841.BAA11240@cepheus.azstarnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Sara, I just had to praise you for this piece and I had to do it publically as it deserves :-) If you hadn't told me it was an essay I would have thought it was some sort of narrative type fanfic - I guess in a way it is. But I thought it was very heartful, genuine and true. It was really articulately written and putting into words the thoughts and feelings that I know I've felt and often wished. It was great :-) I love the idea that there is a Lois or Clark out there for everyone!!! Thanks for writing it Sara, I loved reading it. I hope you got a good mark for it :-) Angee. ----- In message <199808170841.BAA11240@cepheus.azstarnet.com>, Sara Kraft writes >The reason I say sort of, is because this really isn't a fanfic. It's an >essay. One which I wrote a few months ago for school. The assingment was >to write an essay from an idea or quote in the essays of Montaigne. I >thought you folcs might like what I came up with. It'll be along in the >next post. Please let me know what you think, personally, or on the list, >or both. =) > >Sara >--------------------- -- Angee Chaudhry ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:41:29 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: My essay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Very nice essay :) I couldn't agree with your ideas more. Oh, BTW... not a single grammar or spelling error that I can find ;) Just the teacher in me . It really was beautiful. Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:21:49 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: OT: The NEFF Brochure Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is a post from Beth Washington (the *other* Beth) regarding the New England FolcFest: NEW ENGLAND FOLC FEST '98 EVENT BROCHURE Greetings and salutations! Here is finally the event description for NEFF '98, or why you're traveling to Boston for a weekend in October. NEFF '98 will be held the Columbus Day weekend, October 9-12, 1996, in Boston, MA. The purpose is for FoLCs from all over New England and the neighboring areas who have met and become acquainted through the Internet Discussion List, LOISCLA, to meet each other face to face and get to know each other better through shared activities. WHAT THIS IS: This email is a brochure detailing the activities of NEFF '98. It includes instructions to help you with the sign-up sheet, event fee, and hotel reservations. I strongly recommend that you print this out for future reference. The brochure mailing will be followed by a sign-up mailing that you will fill out and return to me. Please review both documents, and if you have any questions after that, feel free to write me at Beth_Washington@Avid.com or Jen at JenNEFFer@aol.com for help or additional information. Return the sign-up sheets via email or regular mail by September 18, 1998 to maintain your place on the attendance list. ---------- HOTEL INFORMATION We will be staying at the Howard Johnsons in Woburn, MA, which is just North of Boston and not too far from Logon Airport. See below for directions. The direct address of the hotel is: Howard Johnsons 1 Mack Road Woburn, MA 02062 Phone: 781-935-8160 (within MA) 800-654-2000 (outside MA) HOTEL FEES We have arranged for a group rates of: $89/night for a double room, for up to people. There may be a slightly additional charge for more people. With the 9.7% tax added, this means that the cost per person per night is as follows: single: 97.63 double: $48.82. The initial idea was that people would want to group up and share rooms for highest economy. A list of the attendees and their email addresses is located at the bottom of this brochure. Attendees should feel free to get in touch with others and make one reservation for each group room. Feel free to write Beth_Washington@Avid.com for help in putting together a group to share with. TO MAKE HOTEL RESERVATIONS: Only one person (age 21 or over) from each room group needs to call to make the reservation for the room. The phone number 781-935-8160 or 800-654-2000. When calling to reserve, tell the clerk that you want to guarantee one of the rooms under the New England FoLC Fest. There are confirmation numbers for each of the rooms, and you can email me at beth_washington@avid.com for one. (Rates as stated above: $89 - double, plus 9.7% tax). Reservations should include: arrival and departure dates, estimated time of arrival, smoking or non-smoking), credit card type to be used for payment including number and expiration date. When making a group reservation, please give them the names of everyone in the room. ONLY ONE PERSON IN THE ROOM NEEDS TO CALL TO RESERVE. There are 25 rooms reserved for NEFF, 6 with two double beds, and 19 with a single king size bed. The rooms will be held for NEFF until September 18, 1998, and then they will be released to the general public. So call today and reserve a room, because once the rooms are released, they're gone. Columbus Day weekend is a very popular weekend to be in New England and the rooms go fast!!! FROM SOUTH SHORE, MA: Take Rt.3 North to I-93 North Stay on I-93 North through the central artery in Boston Follow the I-93 directions from the Airport. DIRECTIONS TO THE HOTEL: FROM BOSTON AND THE AIRPORT: Get onto I-93 North (follow the signs for the tunnel to the highway). Take the MONTVALE AVE exit, exit number 36, towards STONEHAM/WOBURN. Keep LEFT at the fork in the ramp. Turn LEFT onto MONTVALE AVE. Turn RIGHT onto MACK RD. It should be right there, behind the Spuds restaraunt. FROM POINTS NORTH AND WEST (NH, VT, ME, Northern & Western MA): Make your way to I-93 South, either I-495 South to I-93 South, or Rt.3 South to I-495 North to I-93 South or the Mass Pike East (90) to I-95N/Rt.128N to I-93 South. Take the I-93 SOUTH, towards BOSTON. Take the MONTVALE AVE exit, exit number 36, towards STONEHAM/WOBURN. Keep RIGHT at the fork in the ramp. Merge onto MONTVALE AVE. Turn RIGHT onto MACK RD. It should be right there, behind the Spuds restaraunt. FROM POINTS SOUTH (NYC, CT, RI, Southern MA): Make your way to I-95 North. Stay on I-95 North until it splits. Stay to your left and on I-95N/Rt.128N Stay on I-95N/Rt.128N for about 1/2 hour (with no traffic) Take the I-93 SOUTH exit, exit number 37A, towards BOSTON. Merge onto I-93 South. Take the MONTVALE AVE exit, exit number 36, towards STONEHAM/WOBURN. Keep RIGHT at the fork in the ramp. Merge onto MONTVALE AVE. Turn RIGHT onto MACK RD. It should be right there, behind the Spuds restaraunt. ---------- EVENT FEE: The cost of the NEFF is $100.00 per person. This fee covers event amenities such as our video room, the Saturday night costume party, food for the party and video room, NEFF T-shirts, various prizes for various contests and celebrity support. It does not cover your hotel room, meals, activities outside of the hotel, or transportation costs. ***PAYMENT DUE DATE*** (IMPORTANT) You will need to send the $100, in a bank check or money order in US funds made out to Beth Washington, by September 18. If you have a problem with this, please write Beth_Washington@Avid.com to work something out. If there is any money left over after the event, it will be used for the Good-Bye breakfast on Monday morning. Anyone who wishes to see the financial accounting may write to Beth_Washington@Avid.com at least 30 days after the event. CANCELLATION POLICY: If you need to cancel prior to September 18, your money will be refunded. If you need to cancel after September 18, your money will only be refunded providing we find someone to take your place. ---------- GENERAL RULES: * The NEFF is an event of the LOISCLA Internet Discussion List. NEFF attendees should all be subscribed to this list, or have been on the list a some point. We do not represent any other organizations. * Minors (age 16 - 17) may attend only with the explicit written permission of their parents and the approval of the NEFF organizers (Beth Washington and Jen Bassett). * Minors (under 16) may not attend NEFF unless accompanied by a parent or legal guardian. * The NEFF organizers reserve the right to refuse any registration. Attendees not observing the rules or good conduct may be asked to leave without refund of fees. * The NEFF organizers assume no responsibility or liability for any damages or injury that may happen to you, your family, or your property. That's all, FoLCs! :) (whew) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beth Washington (Biffer) & Jen Bassett (JenNEFFer) ----> NEFF Organizers email us at Beth_Washington@avid.com or JenNEFFer@aol.com Email us today and join us at the NEFF - Oct 9-12, 1996 - In Boston :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:23:00 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: OT: NEFF '98 SIGN-UP SHEET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This is a post from Beth Washington (the *other* Beth) regarding the New England FolcFest: NEFF '98 SIGN-UP SHEET Please fill out and return to Beth Washington by email at Beth_Washington@Avid.com or by regular mail the address below by September 18, 1998, to maintain your place on the attendance list. The lines are purely for cosmetic reasons to indicate where your responses are needed. Disregard or remove them where inconvenient. For best results, please also print out your filled-out sheet and include it with your payment snail mailed to: Beth Washington, 42 Pingry Way, Ayer, MA 01432. Registration fees are due via regular mail by September 18 (We must have it in our hands on 9/18). Thanks! PERSONAL INFORMATION Name: ________________________________________________________ Address: ______________________________________________________ City/State/Zip: _______________________________________________ Phone: ________________________________________________________ Email address: ________________________________________________ IRC nick: _____________________________________________________ (or nickname you would like to have on your name badge, e.g. "Jenny" for Jennifer) Names of others (parent, spouse, etc.) attending from this email address: ____________________________________________________________ NOTE: Sign-ups for minors, age 16-17, will not be accepted without a signed permission slip and approval of the NEFF Organizers included. Sign-ups for minors, under the age of 16 will not be accepted without the above information for parent/legal guardian who will accompany them. Name badge ID for above people: ______________________________________ (nicknames, or your email address will be used) TRANSPORTATION INFORMATION Date of arrival: ____________________________________________________ Date of departure: __________________________________________________ Flight info. if flying: ____________________________________________ (Airline, flight, arrival/departure times) If driving to Boston, do you want to carpool? _____ yes _____ no ______# to travel with General area driving from: ___________________________________ If you will have a vehicle (either driving or renting in Boston) and are willing to transport passengers during the NEFF, how many can you take? ___________________ ACCOMMODATIONS HOTEL INFORMATION (note, the idea is to help match people up with others to share rooms. Only one person (age 21 or older) of a group needs to call the hotel to make the reservation for the room. Preferences ____________ number per room (1,2,3,4) ____________ smoking vs. non-smoking ____________ early to bed vs. night owl ____________ early riser vs. late riser If you already have roommates arranged, please list them here: ______________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Other contact: Please list someone to contact in the event of an emergency (name, phone): _______________________________________________________________ OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS (If you will be staying some other place than the hotel, we want to be able to contact you in the event of a last minute change in plans) Contact phone # for Boston accommodations: ________________________________________________________________ Costume Party (Saturday night, October 10, 7:30 pm) _____ I won't be wearing a costume My costume idea: ______________________________ (optional to answer this) Optional other activities: (there may be additional fees to participate in some of these) Check what you are interested in. Possible activites for Saturday and Sunday _____ Duck Tours (requires reservations) -------------- $20 - tour of Boston by land and by sea _____ Charles River Boat Tours ------------------------ $8 - A boat ride on the Charles River - Great city scape of Boston _____ Swan Boats -------------------------------------- $?? - Boston Commone and the Gardens _____ Climb the Hancock Building ---------------------- Free - Visit the observatory at the top _____ Climb the Bunker Hill Monument ------------------ Free _____ Walk the Freedom Trail -------------------------- Free - Visit the historic sites of Boston _____ Visit the Consitution --------------------------- Free - Old Iron Sides, a restored tall ship belonging to the Navy _____ Computer Museum --------------------------------- $ - Experience the history of computers _____ Boston Museum of Science ------------------------ $ - Lots of interactive displays _____ The Boston Aquarium ----------------------------- $ - Walk all around the large circular indoor tank _____ Fanuil Hall Market Place (Quincy Market) -------- Free - Visit various shops, sample many international foods, visit the WB store with it's life size Superman _____ Visit Salem, MA (witch country) ----------------- Free - October, close to Halloween, is the time to visit Salem. It's hopping with activity!!! Note: There are haunted houses and such that have entrance fees _____ Whale Watch ------------------------------------- Varies _____ Leaf Peeping (Fall foliage) --------------------- Free _____ Walden Pond (Henry David Thereau) --------------- Free _____ Dinner at Medieval Manor (reservations) --------- Varies - Dinner medieval style, with the King! _____ Blue Man Group (requires reservations) ---------- $ - 3 blue men do wonderful things with color, sound, and toilet paper! A must see! _____ Other ___________________________________________________ T-shirt: Please indicate size information for your NEFF '98 T-shirt ____________ size(s) needed. S-3XL available Would you be interested in purchasing additional T-shirts for $15.00 each? ______ no _______ yes (if yes) ________# of shirts ________ Sizes General Information (optional, but we would love to include your information in a booklet everyone will get): Name, (IRC) Nick, and where you live will be taken from information listed above. Occupation: ______________________________________________________ (if student, mention school/area of study, etc.) Family Info. (spouses, kids, pets, etc.): ________________________ __________________________________________________________________ Hobbies, interests, etc., other than L&C:_________________________ __________________________________________________________________ Previous most exciting adventure (before this): __________________ __________________________________________________________________ Favorite L&C episode: ____________________________________________ (can pick one for each season if desired) Favorite L&C character: _____________________________________________ Tell about any personal L&C/LOISCLA encounters: _____________________ _____________________________________________________________________ If you could have any one of Superman's powers, which one would it be, and why? ________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ How do you think the series should have ended? What do you think should have been the conclusion to the 4th season cliffhanger? ______ _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ Anything else you would like the FoLCs to know about you: ___________ _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ ********************* MINOR PERMISSION SLIP ************************ This is required of all minors, age 16-17, who will be attending and will not be accompanied by a parent. I, (name of parent/guardian: ___________________________) hereby give my permission for my son/daughter (name & age: ___________________________) to attend the New England FoLC Fest (NEFF) to be held on Oct. 9-12, 1998 in the Boston area. I understand and agree that the chaperones (Beth Washington and Jen Bassett) are not responsible for the individual behavior of the participants. In case of an emergency, please notify (name and number: ____________________________________________________). signed:_____________________________________________ - date:___________ Please return this form along with a bank check or money order made payable to Beth Washington in the amount of $100 (US Funds) to cover the costs of the NEFF. ******************************************************************* That's all, FoLCs! :) Beth Washington (Biffer) & Jen Bassett (JenNEFFer) ----> NEFF Organizers email us at Beth_Washington@avid.com or JenNEFFer@aol.com Email us today and join us at the NEFF - Oct 9-12, 1996 - In Boston :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:09:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Doris Schmill Subject: Lyrics needed: "Fly Me to the Moon" In-Reply-To: <19980817050235.19482.gmx.1@mx3.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, guys, I am looking for the lyrics of the complete version of "Fly Me to the MOon," i.e. more than was actually quoted in the show. If someone can help, please email me privately at: dorisschmill@gmx.net Thanks! Doris at dorisschmill@gmx.net "The truth is, no one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moment ... right now ... as they happen." (CK in "BY") ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 18:15:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Cristin J Whitley Subject: OT: Re: Lyrics needed: "Fly Me to the Moon" Hey, all. Whenever you need lyrics they can usually be found at Http://www.lyrics.ch/search.html I know this is off topic, but it is a very useful piece of info. :o) ***Cristin Whitley :o)***CKandLL4ever@Juno.com*** SUPERfan on IRC Join my Dean Cain mailing list at: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/deancainfans On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:09:26 -0400 Doris Schmill writes: >Hi, guys, > >I am looking for the lyrics of the complete version of "Fly Me to the >MOon," i.e. more than was actually quoted in the show. > >If someone can help, please email me privately at: > >dorisschmill@gmx.net > >Thanks! > >Doris > >at dorisschmill@gmx.net > >"The truth is, no one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the >years that count, it's the moment ... right now ... as they happen." >(CK in >"BY") > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:18:23 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: Writer's Showcase--New Featured Writer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Fanfic Readers and Writers, There is a new featured writer of the week at the Writer's Showcase. Thank you all you making the Writer's Showcase a success. I hope you enjoy reading about this wonderful writer. Annie Lansbury ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:31:59 +0000 Reply-To: wbarbara@execpc.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Barbara Knutson Subject: Re: Writer's Showcase--New Featured Writer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > There is a new featured writer of the week at the Writer's Showcase. > > Thank you all you making the Writer's Showcase a success. I hope you enjoy > reading about this wonderful writer. > > Annie Lansbury Annie - Why don't you post the URL in the text of your message or under your name or someplace in here? I've already bookmarked the site, but for those who join up later, or who may have missed the first post, it would be really helpful (and avoid a lot of "what's the URL" posts!) :} :} Thanks - Barbara off to check it out...... > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:42:19 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lansbury 1 Subject: Writer's Showcase--New Feature Writer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit <<>>>> ***************************************************************************** Sorry, I was going to include the URL but forgot.. Here it is.... http://www.simplyorganized,simplenet.com.showcase.html Annie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:46:18 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Madden Subject: Ready for Fanfic? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yeah, yeah, I know, you're thinking, "What? Another one?" Don't worry, I didn't write another fanfic in two minutes, it's impossible.....I've been keeping this one on hold for awhile. It's not completely finished, so I'll give it to you in parts. Stay tuned...:) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:49:48 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Madden Subject: "Ever Heard The Whole Story?" Part One Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It's nothing outragously special, just a story from a certain person's point of view....and a few ditties and pointless we-don't-want-to-know's in between...:) Very unorganized, if you want the story summed up in one phrase. Ever Heard the Whole Story? by Rachel M. --------------------------------------------------------------- At an early stage in life I found that I had an voracious appetite for Mexican food, or anything spicy for that matter, only to find that I couldn't eat it. It would make my stomach hopelessly upset for the period of time after I ate the subject to the next morning. I could eat Taco Bell, which doesn't surprise me, because I doubt they use anything that's really Mexican. I heard a rumor that had something to do with Alpo dog food.....don't go there. And there was this place in Tennessee (yes, I've been there) that was called the "All-American Mexican Restaurant." Hmmm. That sounded like there were a couple rolls of red tape involved. I could eat there, which didn't surprise me either, for obvious reasons. I also found that I had a taste for Chinese/Japanese food (I could never figure out the difference between the two). Some lo mein or chicken fried rice could put me right for days. But when I went through a disgusting bout with a place called "Ralph's Pagoda," I began to think otherwise. Only did an encounter with "Yung's" pull me out of my state of denial. But above all else, my favorite food was Italian. I could eat ravioli for weeks at a time. I'm sure many of you have heard of "The Olive Garden." Those people have the *best* garlic bread. But this one place in Ft. Collins, Colorado, called "Canino's" had the best ravioli I can ever remember eating. I ate there with Clark once when we were hot on the trail of Lex Luthor for the third time. He ended up being caught under a snow plow or something like that. Injured, but not killed. Even if it *had* killed him, I doubt he would've been dead for very long. It happens when you're Lex Luthor. Die, resurrect, die, resurrect, he can't seem to make up his mind. But none of that matters now, because he's in jail and I have Clark. When Mother started drinking, I remember eating take-out a lot. Especially Chinese/Japanese. Of the rare times that my sister actually spoke during that time, she said that she could never get tired of Chinese/Japanese. But when she woke up the next morning with appendicitis, she changed her mind before you could say "sweet 'n sour." Though I doubt it was the food that caused the infection, she didn't know that, so I didn't tell her. It was too much fun to see her run out of the house screaming bloody murder every time we got Chinese/Japanese after that. ----------------------------------------------- Yes, they're small parts, just to let you know. (i.e., that stuff up there isn't the whole kit and kaboodle) Part Two is next...then Part Three....and Four.....well, you get the picture. Rachel :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:51:51 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Madden Subject: "Ever Heard the Whole Story?" Part Two Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit We got a dog when I was 9 and Lucy was 6. It was a interesting cocker spaniel, and I say interesting because she was probably the dumbest animal I had ever seen in my entire 9 years. I swear she was. She was the hardest thing to crate-train. It took her almost 4 months before she finally caught on. But probably the incident I remember the most was the time when I came into the kitchen one day, just back from watching TV, and I see my sister sitting on the floor with scissors in her hand, snipping away at one of the dog's ears, with smears of blood all over the tile floor. I must have yelled for five minutes before Mother finally ran into the room, took one look at the floor, the dog, and Lucy still sitting there with a goofy grin spread across her face, and burst out laughing. When I demanded what was so funny about the seemingly serious situation, she said that she was just relieved, because she had just called the police. When she had heard me screaming, she thought somebody was trying to rob the house, or Lucy had stabbed me with the butcher knife, or something worse than that. I had to laugh, too. But when the police got there, they didn't think it was funny. In fact, they made Mother pay a fine for calling the police when there wasn't an emergency. I thought they were being cruelly unfair, and said so outright before Mother had a chance to silence me, but they said "The law's the law, miss," and left. I thought Mother was going to have a coronary. I was terrified because I feared she would get the wooden ladle out, but she just told me to get her an ice pack and then go to my room. She only told me to go to my room when she was drunk or really really tired. I figured it must've been a little of both. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:52:41 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Madden Subject: "Ever Heard the Whole Story?" Part Three Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On Christmas Eve, we arrived home at a late hour, because we had just gotten back from a Christmas party that one of Mother's friends had thrown. She gave me the key to unlock the numerous locks on the door. She had always said, "You can never have too many locks," and I believed her. As I opened the door, the alarm went off, and as I was opening the door further so I could go inside the house, it suddenly became jammed. I looked down and there was the dog and the stick that we laid between the door and the end of the doorframe (our door was a sliding door) for extra insurance against burglars. I guessed the dumb mutt had knocked the stick down from its usual spot leaning against the wall. So as the alarm continued going off, I went through another screaming fit. Mother literally went hysterical, because when the usual beep goes off for 30 seconds, it viciously turns into a wailing blare that I'm sure must've woken up the entire neighborhood. We tried forcing the door. Didn't work. Tried the front door. Didn't work. Lucy and I finally gave up and retreated to the slightly warmer temperature and quieter conditions in the car while Mother mirthlessly kicked away at the door, hoping that maybe if she screamed loud enough, the door would magically open. Lucy jumped out of the car, mumbling something about trying the windows. She managed to get a window open (imagine us having a million locks on our door, but not locking the windows...Ha!), and Mother went practically ballistic. When the police arrived (which was about an hour later), they had their usual stoic faces on, and they were even less amused than the incident before. I vowed to kill them when I was older (naturally I didn't), but of course they went on their merry way, leaving us with yet another fine. I told Mother to take it to court because *they* were the ones that arrived an hour and a half late. But she said she didn't want to go to all the trouble and paid it. I was about to go to the courthouse myself, but Mother read my thoughts like an open book...she said that if I went to the courthouse she'd take an ax to me. I never doubted her for a minute. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:54:25 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Madden Subject: "Ever Heard the Whole Story" Part Four Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Hahaha! Lois, you never told me *these* stories! You always told me the sad stories, like when your father left, or when Lucy would lock herself up in her room and not come out, or the time when your mom drank so much she stumbled around the house mumbling incoherently and you thought she had rabies! Never this!" The laughter was extremely contagious. "Well, C....Clark, I never r-really found a g-g-ood enough reason to t.....heeheehee, tell-you-about-these-stories....ha hah ha!" Clark chuckled and pulled me close. "So you finally found a good reason....lounging around on a lazy day-off with your fiance....you found that as a good reason?" "Yup. Better tell you know before there are kids running around the house screaming. I won't have the voice or the time then....." ---------------------------------------------------------- I started reading at the age of four. And, not surprisingly, the daily newspaper was pretty much the only thing sitting around the house that was within my reach. Mother says that explains why I became a reporter, but I tell her not true, not true, because the only reason I became a reporter was to rebel against my father. He wanted me to become a doctor, so I figured a newspaper reporter would be the last career he would've wanted me to choose, so off I went. I would've dumped it when I made amends with Daddy, but I found myself thoroughly enjoying being a reporter. Perry says I had and still have an amazing writing sense, and you know me, I love being flattered. So I stayed. And wrote. Got angry. Threatened to leave. But ended up staying, as always. And then I went through the whole cycle again. Perry also says (I hate quoting people. Can you tell?) that the only reason he puts up with me is because I'm one heck of a reporter. That's all he says, but he means more than that. I know, because I say that the only reason I put up with him is because he pays me a whole lot of money to do so. But he was sort of a paternal figure to me when I ran away to leave home and the pressure that goes along with it behind. I was at an awkward age. Just 18. I was skipping college and heading straight for the job ads in the classified section of that daily newspaper that I had been reading every day since the age of four: The Daily Planet. But Perry White took me under his wing and gave me a job as a cub reporter just as if I were his own daughter. And a daughter of his I am. Not technically, but you get my meaning. And look at me now. A prize-winning reporter with three Kerths, and I did pretty well, if I say so myself. And nothing can tear me away from the job and people I learned to love so much. Think if I had gone the way of the life-controlling father and been a doctor. Where would I be emotionally? At the stage I surpassed 4 years ago, that's where I'd be. Alone and without a candidate in sight. But I wouldn't be happy with that like I thought I was 4 years ago. Then I was in a state of denial. But in the world of my alternate doctor's life, the only commitment I'd see would be swarming around me, going about their busy lives. In happy couple's faces when they held their first child, in my co-workers, working diligently away at someone's ruptured gallbladder. The life of the rich and lonely must be extremely hard to bear. But why am I going on about being lonely? I am going on about this because if Clark hadn't made himself a part of my life, I would be lonely today. Lonely and unhappy. But thanks to him I have the privilege of being an ecstatically happy soon-to-be-married young woman, and I still have plenty of my life to go. But with him, it won't seem as hard as most people find it. When/if we grow old and gray together, we'll look at some young bugger at the DP who has the guts to slap the Editor-in- Chief and the tenacity to go after a story that involves nuclear warheads...a number of them. And then Clark'll say, "Hey, if I didn't know any better, I'd say that striking young woman was you." And then I'd say, "Yeah, right, Pops, in your dreams.....she doesn't have nearly enough fire in her to last very long. She's got the ability to get in to shams but not enough to get out of them. I bet you she'll be dead before the end of the week." And then Pops would strike up again and say, "Not if I can help it." And he'd go fly off, taking the gray hair and wrinkles along with him. And me, if *I* could help it. Anyway, before I take this any further than it has to go, I'll move on. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:55:42 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Madden Subject: "Ever Heard the Whole Story" Part Five Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I remember the few visits to the dentist I had. My sister had absolutely no problem with going to have her teeth examined, but the looks of all those shiny instruments were too much for me. I could just imagine the feel of those things inside my mouth, prodding and hacking away. Even though I know now that's not what they do, I still get skittish when I go to have a cavity drilled. On one of the occasions my mother managed to drag me into the examining room and get me into that *horrendous* chair, I clamped my mouth shut and would not open it, unless I had the urge to scream. The dentist and I regarded each other coolly. This guy wasn't going to be as easy to break as all the others. His pick started moving towards my mouth as if it were drawn by some magnetic force, but I gave him a look that said, "Hey, pal, if you come any closer with that thing, I'll make sure *your* teeth are rearranged." I accompanied the look with a warning growl that was similar to that of a cat's. My eyes ignited and his turned to cold blocks of eyes. If looks could kill.... I thought surely this was crunch time, he was *going* to break. But he shook off whatever doubts he may have had and asked his assistant to pinch my nose so I would open my mouth, but would she please tie my arms and legs down first? Certainly she would. I told them it was child abuse, but the dentist simply replied he was just doing his job. He was getting paid for this, after all. The little darling wouldn't want to deprive Uncle Johnson from his money, now would she? The overweight assistant chimed in with an, "Of course not." So I took drastic measures and looked to my last option. I spit in his face. I thought he was going to hit me for a second there. But all I saw was a flicker of fire, and then it disappeared. I congratulate him now for being so patient with me. If I were him, I would've hauled my ass through the facility and thrown me out the door. But he didn't. He promised me a sucker if I let him look at my teeth. So I did, noting that dentists don't usually give suckers to patients after check-ups, granted that their dentists, if you get my meaning. Even though being only 5 or 6, I sincerely believed I was getting the raw end of the deal. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:58:04 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rachel Madden Subject: "Ever Heard the Whole Story?" Part Six Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've always had a phobia towards needles. I absolutely hate them. I've always thought that the cause of that would be because I was a preemie, and you know those doctors, they stick tons of needles in premature babies. I still have the thin wrists and arms of a preemie, but I always hated them, because when I was an adolescent, I had extra gut. So I figured if were to have extra gut, I should have bigger arms, but that never happened. But, thank God, I got rid of that gut by the time I was a sophomore in high school. I also hate taking medicine. Liquid medicine is the most disgusting stuff I've ever tasted. The chewable are okay, but they only make those for kids, and if ones for adults ever come along, they'll probably be the wrong kind I need. And the pills one swallows make me gag. There were even these tiny round things that my mom used to give me along with ice cream (I had terrible allergies as a kid), but those were even worse. I remember I threw up all over Mother once when she forced those pills down my throat. I don't know why, but I would guess I was making a mountain out of a molehill, therefore making one tiny pill seem like a 10-inch rock. But it was my hatred of needles that started my babbling. There was a time in my life where I took the most exciting trip I've ever been on to South Africa (It was for Daddy's job). But with the malaria and hepititis and all other sorts of diseases, I had to start taking medicine about two weeks before we left and have a series of shots. To ease the pain, I would talk. Constantly. The nurse probably wanted to slap me while I babbled away in her face. I had to have a blood test or something like that summer after sixth grade, I believe, and the nurse told me to talk about something I did over the summer to take my mind off the pain. That was probably one of the few times in my life I was speechless. She asked me a bunch of questions, but my answers were usually one-word, because as I watched all that blood from my body fill into that gigantic container, I was mesmerized. I could've sworn I lost a quarter of my total amount of blood. Anyway, after a few years of innocent childhood, I realized life wasn't as easy as Mom and Dad made it look like. They started fighting more and more, usually over little things, like if Daddy forgot to wash the dishes when Mother *told* him she was going to bed early and would he please wash the dishes? Daddy usually agreed. When I was little, Daddy was a pawn in Mother's chess game. He was at her beck at call, pleasing her to the very last minute if the day. Unless he forgot something, washing dishes, for example. He couldn't help it, but Mother seemed to think he could read her mind. I had the same problem...forgetting things. It was sickening the way Daddy totally sucked up to Mother. ------------------------------------------------------- There, that's it for now. It's not completely finished, but you know how it goes. Let me know what you think? -Rachel :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:11:01 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melis Melis Subject: Krypton Sites Re: HELP! Content-Type: text/plain Hey there kids...I was just wondering if the Krypton Club Site was still up and running...Ive been having problems accessing it lately.... and if anyone knows the http:// I would love to hear from them!!! Thanx MAD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:08:18 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mocha Kat Subject: Re: Krypton Sites Re: HELP! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/17/98 8:39:01 PM, you wrote: <> The Krypton Club has kind of disappeared off the face of the cyberworld, and that's because Craig Byrne has had some trouble finding time to first reassemble it, and then maintain it. However, the Krypton Club has a fanfic site at: You can also e-mail Craig Byrne (Krypton Club President) at CraigByrne@AOL.COM if you have any further questions. I know that he just came home from a vacation this week, so he may be swamped with e-mails, but you can contact him at that address. Kat Kat5107@AOL.COM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:02:29 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Frantz Subject: 1, 2, 4, no um, 3, 4, HELP! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi! Well, I am definately a lurker on this list..... I don't (nor do you *want* me to ) write, but I do eagerly await each fanfic as it rolls down the pike to my mailbox. I must say that I enjoy listening to you all debate the finer points of writing..... personally, my only criteria is whether I become a *part* of the story! Anyway, I digress.... I'm on digest, and as I'm copying, cutting and pasting stories into their own little folders (I like to print out the stories, sit back and enjoy the reading of them!) I spend a good deal of time realizing that I can't count higher than about 4. You know...the order on the digest is part 1, then part 5, then part 7, then part...well, you get the picture. As I was cutting and pasting a story last week, I found it was easier to do than usual....and finally realized why. So....in case this will help others, I thought I'd pass it on. It is *so* nice when a part of a story says... Part 1 of 11 and then ENDS with ....continued in part 2. That way, when I have gone to the very end of the digest to find part 2, have cut it, scrolled up to the end of what I *think* is part 1... I know it belongs there. If it doesn't say *continued in part 2*, I have to scroll all the way up to the beginning of part one to check, and then scroll back down again to the end of part 1 to paste part 2 Are you as confused as I am?? LOL OK...so I'm not the brightest star in the heavens.... ... Anyway, all this to say, that if when you are breaking your story into parts....if you'd put a header and footer to denote which part it is..or what comes next ... it would help all us fanfic junkies out here get your stories in the right order!! Kathy Frantz ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:12:08 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "K.M. de Castro" Subject: Re: 1, 2, 4, no um, 3, 4, HELP! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey there, For those of you on AOL, (and not on digest) I go to File| Log Manager| Open Log| and title it something like LONERIDR.LOG . Then I open each piece of email in the order specified by the author. The log manager reads each email in the order I open it and is automatically "cut and pasted" into the story format. A little cleanup later helps to edit out all the email-related headers, etc., so that in the end I have a whole story with little or no fuss. Just something I ran across, Marie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:38:43 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Laurie Stroh Subject: Re: 1, 2, 4, no um, 3, 4, HELP! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-08-18 16:13:19 EDT, you write: << For those of you on AOL, (and not on digest) I go to File| Log Manager| Open Log| and title it something like LONERIDR.LOG . Then I open each piece of email in the order specified by the author. The log manager reads each email in the order I open it and is automatically "cut and pasted" into the story format. A little cleanup later helps to edit out all the email-related headers, etc., so that in the end I have a whole story with little or no fuss. >> Thanks Marie...what a great idea. I'll have to try that next time! I also like to paste stories into one long whole so I can print them out and I hate wasting the paper and ink on all the nonstory hearer stuff that gets included. Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:59:02 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Layney Spriggs Subject: what the hockey sticks is going on? Content-Type: text/plain Excuse me, everyone...not to be profane. I am a little frustrated. I have been cut off from the list. Now, I have taken this up with management and waiting a response, so excuse my outburst. I had two things throw out onto the list? 1) What is the new "Gateway to Archive" address? I had it and lost it. 2) Has anyone else heard of turbulent times for Dean's nuptial bliss? My boss told me that she saw in a NY/NJ paper that Mindy has left Dean. Rumor has it that Dean's manager suggested that the wedding be postponed. Mindy was none to happy. Apparently, Superman becoming a country western singer is not seen as a good career move. Layney ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:13:33 -0400 Reply-To: agarmaise@sympatico.ca Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Angela H. Garmaise" Subject: Re: Of Interest To Canadian FoLCs (I hope!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit demona wrote: > > Now, just last night I was watching Canada's answer to the Sci-Fi Channel, Space: The Imagination Station, (IMHO one of the best things to happen in Canadian TVland in years) and they were announcing some of the changes they're making to their fall line-up. They mentioned that they'll be airing Babylon 5 and Star Trek: The Next Generation, which is great, 'cuz I love both those shows. But what caught my attention about it was that they're bringing them back BECAUSE OF VIEWER DEMAND. So that got me thinking - why couldn't the Canadian FoLCs launch a ca! > > Actually, L&C *will* be re-airing, starting this fall in Canada. I saw a commercial recently on CFTO or CFMT, Toronto, but at the moment I cannot remember which it was. In my defence, I saw it at the gym while I was on a stairmaster, so I do have an excuse for the memory lapse! ;-P > > Demi > demona@shaw.wave.ca It's CFMT, but I haven't seen an ad for what time it'll be on, yet! Can anyone help out? Thanks! Angie G. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:13:01 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Annette Ciotola Subject: LnC CD (Finally ) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit With Loiscla still alittle unstable I am posting this here. Sorry to those who got it twice. Hey gang! The final informantion is now available on my site for the CD with Lois and Clark clips on it. You can view it at: http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/lnccd.html Thanks for your patience :) Anne ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:32:42 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mar Smith Subject: Re: what the hockey sticks is going on? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Here's your info!!!! 1) What is the new "Gateway to Archive" address? I had it and lost it. http://lcfanfic.actwd.com > 2) Has anyone else heard of turbulent times for Dean's nuptial bliss? My > boss told me that she saw in a NY/NJ paper that Mindy has left Dean. > Rumor has it that Dean's manager suggested that the wedding be > postponed. Mindy was none to happy. Apparently, Superman becoming a > country western singer is not seen as a good career move. This is still unconfirimed (at least to my knowledge), but it seems to be true ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:10:01 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melis Melis Subject: Gag and Blooper Tapes!! Content-Type: text/plain Hello everyone...I was just wondering if anyone happened to have a copy of the gag and blooper tapes that Zoomway once had posted on her homepage...and if so I was wondering if I could somehow get a copy!! Thanx MAD ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:13:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: what the hockey sticks is going on? Comments: cc: Layney Spriggs In-Reply-To: <19980818215902.29227.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 2:59 PM -0700 8/18/98, Layney Spriggs wrote: >1) What is the new "Gateway to Archive" address? I had it and lost it. The new address is: >2) Has anyone else heard of turbulent times for Dean's nuptial bliss? My >boss told me that she saw in a NY/NJ paper that Mindy has left Dean. >Rumor has it that Dean's manager suggested that the wedding be >postponed. Mindy was none to happy. Apparently, Superman becoming a >country western singer is not seen as a good career move. This is the report that was made in The Tennessean, generally a respectable newspaper, a few weeks ago. Since then, many other papers, including the tabloids, have picked up the report and have regurgitating the information. The latest rumors say that they have now reconciled. No word, however, on whether the wedding is back on, just that they are dating again. (Some papers seem to be slow on the uptake, however, since several have only reported the break-up this week.) The reasons cited for the break-up have been numerous. Some sources reported that Mindy was possessive and clingy and Dean wanted out. The majority cited that Dean asked Mindy to postpone the wedding for a year so he could spend some more time working on his career (acting stuff, not directing her videos) and she pitched a fit and broke it off completely during a temper tantrum. Some reports simply cite "clashing careers". Almost all reports include quote from "friends" who say that Mindy and Dean have had a rocky relationship from the beginning, and have been fighting frequently for some time now. Neither Dean nor Mindy have officially denied the break up. That in itself is unusual. Last year, when another set of similar rumors had them splitting up, both camps of PR people made quick statements denying it all. This time, however, their publicity people gave "no comments", even after 2 weeks of rumors. Everyone involved here knows the game, and I find this lack of denial to be odd in itself, especially given how vocal they have been (especially Mindy's people) about their relationship. The reconciliation information was credited to Mindy's mother, but again, there has been no official statement from either Dean's nor Mindy's press people. Hope this clears things up, Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@webmart.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:47:06 -0400 Reply-To: ruthlg@apk.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ruth Link-Gelles Subject: Re: LnC CD (Finally ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi!! First the CD sounds really neat! And second on the order form it said something about a blooper tape, i was just wondering if you had any more, and if so if there was a way to order them. Thanks Ruth ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:52:30 -0400 Reply-To: ruthlg@apk.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Ruth Link-Gelles Subject: Also Gag and Bloopers Tape MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All!! I was also wondering if anyone has a bloopers tape? and if there was a way i could get a copy. Ruth ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:31:57 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Linzy Hill Subject: Re: Writer's Showcase--New Feature Writer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all I've tried the URL below, but something's not quite right.. has anyone got the correct addy? >Here it is.... http://www.simplyorganized,simplenet.com.showcase.html > >Annie thanks Linzy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:52:07 EDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Charlotte Fisler Subject: Re: Writer's Showcase--New Feature Writer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For anyone wanting go in please correct from http://www.simplyorganized,simplenet.com.showcase.html > http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com.showcase.html > The comma between simplyorganized and simplenet.com should be a period. Note too if you type in the incorrect version, you must signoff and signon again before the new corrected address works at least on AOL. BTW a great site I looked at both the current and pervious bio today. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:56:39 -0400 Reply-To: x-lander@geocities.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Mark Safransky Subject: Re: Writer's Showcase--New Feature Writer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linzy Hill wrote: > Hi all > > I've tried the URL below, but something's not quite right.. has anyone got > the correct addy? > > >Here it is.... http://www.simplyorganized,simplenet.com.showcase.html > > > >Annie > > thanks > > Linzy Try it this way: http://www.simplyorganized.simplenet.com/showcase.html Mark ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:17:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: KellyLC Subject: L&C on Toronto area TV Comments: To: LOISCLA@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am sending this message again since I have seen some questions regarding this topic and since the list has been down I'm not sure if it went through the first time. Kelly >Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:52:54 -0400 >To: loiscla list >From: KellyLC >Subject: L&C on Toronto area TV > >The list seems to be down so I'm not sure >if my last post got through. Since then, >I called the TV station CFMT in Toronto and >they are in fact showing L&C at 7:00 pm >Monday through Friday starting with the >pilot. The start date is around the >second week in September. > >Canadians in other areas might want to check >with independant stations in their area to >see if they might be showing it as well. > >Kelly (still coming down off cloud 9) > kellylc@mnsi.net KellyLC on IRC ******************************************************************** "there's a road - long and winding the lights are blindin' - but it gets there don't give up - don't look back there's a silver linin' - it's out there somewhere" 'Star' by Bryan Adams ******************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:43:17 PDT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: PEOPLE Online Daily comments on D&M MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PEOPLE Online Daily THURSDAY, AUGUST 20, 1998 PASSAGES * DISSOLVED: The engagement between actor Dean Cain ("Lois & Clark") and singer Mindy McCready, says Cain's spokesman. No further details. I wonder if People is just slow picking up the story or if this is someth= ing new -- this is the first time I'm seeing the phrase "Cain's spokesman" = as opposed to just "sources say".... Peace ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:27:43 -0400 Reply-To: salymc@gateway.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Organization: GWNET Subject: Re: PEOPLE Online Daily comments on D&M MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * HUMOR - HUMOR - HUMOR * * * * * Step no futher unless you find parody and sarcasm a useful tool to entertain or to just get thru one more lousy day. Peace Everett wrote: > > PEOPLE Online Daily > THURSDAY, AUGUST 20, 1998 > > PASSAGES > > * DISSOLVED: The engagement between actor Dean Cain ("Lois & > Clark") and singer Mindy McCready, says Cain's spokesman. No > further details. > > I wonder if People is just slow picking up the story or if this is something > new -- this is the first time I'm seeing the phrase "Cain's spokesman" as > opposed to just "sources say".... > Peace<< Don't know, however: 1) Ha! It was the searing memory of our one meeting which still haunts him. Thank you Chanel #5. 2) Mindy, girlfriend, you're supposed to wait until *after* you get the gold ring on your finger before you put one through his nose. (Not as smart as we thought she was, but, must admit, being a dead ringer for his mom was a stroke of genius.) 3) Wish I had a spokesman to diplomatically announce all my little problems: *RESOLVED: Despite extreme laziness and a late night, the employee/employer relationship between obscure congressional liaison Sandy McDermin ("Lois and Clark" fanfic discussion list) and think tank NAS is still on, because, McDermin's spokesman says, "she has yet to figure out how to exist without a paycheck". Sendy salymc@gateway.net (all complaints and hurt feelings) loiscla-general-l@listerv.indiana.edu (all praise) http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:59:06 +0100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Angee Chaudhry Subject: Re: PEOPLE Online Daily comments on D&M Comments: To: salymc@gateway.net In-Reply-To: <35DD59AF.61F167A7@gateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In message <35DD59AF.61F167A7@gateway.net>, Sandy McDermin writes >(Not as >smart as we thought she was, but, must admit, being a dead ringer for >his mom was a stroke of genius.) You know what .. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that Mindy was an exact copy of Dean's mother!!! That's why I was a bit sceptical about the relationship in the first place. I don't know about this for sure so forgive me if I'm outta line but I think it WAS Mindy who broke it off but I'm sure Dean was really in love with her. If Mindy was in love with him I think she would have been more understanding. My poor Dean :-( (Well in my dreams he's mine .. ha ha.) Just thought I'd put in my humble opinion on the matter. Angee. -- Angee Chaudhry ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:59:50 -0400 Reply-To: salymc@gateway.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Organization: GWNET Subject: Lone Rider Review (Part 1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From an earlier e-mail: >>Sendy<< Sendy?!!! Oy. This is what I get for writing e-mails at 7:30 in the morning. Can't spell a five letter name, even my own. ************** The Lone Rider -- The Beginning: After Pam so graciously sent me this roundrobin story without all the names intermixed in the text ;), I felt it only fair that I read it as expeditiously as I could. After having done that, I got busy and couldn't find the time to comment upon it. Today, I have the time. When I looked at the notes I scribbled in the margins, I realized that I had made both grammatical comments as well as content comments. I thought about paring it back to only focus on the content stuff. But, I'd hate to waste what I did. (I edit *everything* I read. I used to work for a publishing company and can't get out of the habit.) Anyway, with deep apologies for my presumptuousness I offer the following which mirrors the sort of thing we did almost weekly in our work on S5. SoulMates Chronicles: The Lone Rider -- The Beginning Submitted March 25, 1998 >>H. G. Wells stepped out of his Time Machine and looked down at his black suit covered in dust. He took his handkerchief out of his pocket and began to wipe himself free of the brownish red dirt. He walked through the solarium which housed his Time Machine and into the main house. He was very excited about documenting his latest time travel to the past. A smile lingered on his lips as he moved into the library and walked over to his desk. He was always eager to capture on paper the events at his journey's end and now was no exception. He sat in his chair and unlocked the middle drawer. Taking out a black journal, he lovingly thumbed through the pages and mumbled words of approval to himself until he came to a blank page. Picking up his pencil he began...<< Pam wondered if I could pick out -- without having it documented -- where one author stops and another begins in this story. Frankly, I couldn't tell *exactly* when it happened, but I could definitely detect different writing styles. In fact, I'm glad the names were deleted because, now, I can fairly assess the writing and content without prejudice. In the case of the opening above, I found the writing a bit stilted and staccato. If you look at the paragraph, there are about nine sentences, five of which begin with the word "he". It might have been better to connect the sentences in a more flowing, "natural" style so that the reader is not so aware that he/she is reading. If you will allow me to take liberties: >>Through some remarkable act of science, or, perhaps of magic, H.G. Wells and his time machine suddenly reappeared in the solarium of his London townhouse. Gingerly stepping out of the machine, he looked down at the black suit he wore. It was covered in dust. Shaking his head in faux disapproval, he took a handkerchief out of his pocket and began to wipe himself free of the brownish red dirt, doing his best to remove it. Despite his disheveled appearance, however, a smile still played about his lips as he quickly made his way into the main house. Wells was very excited about documenting his latest time travel adventure. So excited, in fact, that he entered his library, sat down at his desk, and unlocked the middle drawer without another thought to his clothing or to his comfort. Taking out a soft leather-backed journal, he lovingly thumbed through the pages, mumbling words of approval to himself until he came to a blank page. With a deep breath, he took pencil in hand and began....<< >>This gift was given to me by a fellow inventor whom, might I now add,<< This gift was given to me by a fellow inventor whom, I might add, >>He blushed. "Yes, miss, may I help you?" Jefferson Higheagle struggled to regain control. He didn't know what had come over him. He'd seen many beautiful women, and none of them had ever touched his heart. So why should this woman be any different?<< He's seen a lot of beautiful women? In Candelero, Texas? >>"My name's Lulu McCoy, what's yours?" "Jeff," he replied, automatically offering the most intimate form of his name, and immediately realizing how inappropriate that was.<< Inappropriate for him but appropriate for her? >>"Of course, miss. If you'll just step inside, I'll help you with that." And, he thought, I wish I had the nerve to ask you out.<< Oops. It just occurred to me. Shouldn't someone's thoughts be delineated as such with -- perhaps -- a single quote mark, or something? 'And,' he thought, 'I wish, etc. >>"Who is *this*?" he exclaimed.<< "Who is *that*?" seems better. >>Jeff stepped slightly closer to Lulu, although she didn't appear to need any protecting. She had pulled herself up to her full height, and was attempting to get Judd Lucas's attention as he rode by. He wondered momentarily if he should warn her, then decided that she most likely knew more about the town than he did.<< Warn Lulu about what? That he sensed evil in the guy's eyes? >>Jeff was still watching the door to the cafe when Judd Lucas left alone. He debated for a moment, then decided that Luisa had wanted to send a telegraph, and he had a perfectly good excuse to see her. He crossed the road and entered the cafe to find her sorting her notes, and clarifying her thoughts on paper with a well-used lead pencil. He approached her carefully, still remembering how she had jumped when she had backed into him.<< Jeff *saw* Lulu clarifying her thoughts? >>Jeff sighed as he looked into her wide brown eyes. She appeared to believe that this man had honest intentions, and while he had no good reason, he just didn't feel that this was the case. He didn't trust Lucas, and nothing she could say would change that.<< Was Clark's distrust of Lex this rapid? Hmm, they might have been but were wrapped up in Lois wanting to meet and have dinner with him. Somehow, there just doesn't seem to be enough here. >>"They would be, *if* you believe him." she replied as their eyes met.<< if you can believe him. >>The older man smiled. "I did get very tipsy in Liverpool once and put a crown roast on my head. It was terrible greasy of course, and so slid down around my neck. I looked rather like Queen Victoria--"<< The older man is Wells, I assume. He wouldn't say "terrible greasy". >>Lulu shrugged her shoulders. "You know ... the usual story. Last winter was hard and we lost a lot of cattle. And then a fire destroyed half of our stables. It's just bad luck, I'm afraid. Dad used to have the biggest spread in the county ... well, except for Mr. Lucas, of course.<< Should "Mr. Lucas" be in the possessive? I guess it depends on whether you are referring to the sizes of the spreads or to the people. >>"You said there was a fire. How did it start?" Jeff voiced his fears in a manner so that Lulu would not know just where he was leading. She was intelligent, and she could come to her own conclusions, but he had a feeling that it was more than coincidence that the ranch was having trouble at the same time that Lucas was accumulating land.<< Once again, his immediate suspicions seem very odd. >>At first, she had not really considered the bad timing of the fire, but coupled with her investigation into Judd Lucas's other activities, this week things had started falling into place.<< I know that no one is speaking here, but still the "had not" sounds too stilted. Hadn't would be better. Unless one is making some sort of point about the character or the wording itself, contractions are better in informal dialogue. >>Jeff, having just completed sending her message, looked earnestly into her eyes. "If you're doing a tour, I'd love to accompany you. I've seen some of the larger newspaper offices, but I've never really seen one run on a smaller scale." In truth, he simply wasn't ready to part company with her, but he also wanted to see her office.<< Why doesn't she question his familiarity with large newspaper offices. They're in some small Texas town -- I assume. This would be a curiosity. Even if they were in a bigger town, she'd want to know how/why he had managed to see "some of the larger newpaper offices". (Not even singular but plural.) >>Jeff smiled. "I'd like that," he told her, and reached for his key to the office that he had laid on the desk when he had entered earlier. He followed behind Lulu and her guest, and wondered what she would have to show him.<< Unnecessary and awkward wording. Jeff smiled. "I'd like that," he told her and reached for his key to the office. Wondering what she would have to show him, he eagerly followed behind. >>"And you're clearly not from around here. Where are you from? We don't get many strangers visiting Candelero," Lulu asked, suddenly back in her role as editor-in-chief.<< This immediately struck me as a continuity gaffe. In *one day*, Lulu meets a new telegraph operator, introduces him to a new sheriff, and meets a strange visitor. It seems to me she meets lots of new people in Cadelero. I should move there. She meets more new men than I do in Washington. >>"Boston!?" Lulu asked incredulously.<< Said, not asked. >>Lulu gave Jeff a small smile and they continued to chat, essentially ignoring Wells, much to his relief. It would appear that I have timed things perfectly, Wells thought as he watched the young couple walking in front of him.<< Perhaps, you've made a conscious decision not to delineate thinking, but once again, it isn't done here. >>Wells entered the newspaper office just steps behind them. He looked around making mental notes of everything he saw. He walked around them to where a huge printing press was positioned in the middle of the room. He reached out and touched the apparatus with both hands.<< I'm going to take a shot at guessing that this is the same writer who began the story. >>Lulu was anxious to hear what he tought of it.<< spelling error: thought. >>"And the etymology of the words?" Lulu patted Wells' shoulder. "Keep using words like that, and I'll hire you as editor." Jeff folded his arms. "The words come from the same place. Water tanks for the railroad. You jerk a chain to bring the water over to a steam engine."<< She should be equally surprised that Jeff knows what "etymology" means. He runs a telegraph. He's a half-breed. This is not the level of knowledge of vocabulary one would necessarily expect from him. (Lulu hasn't learned yet that he went all the way to college.) >>"Yes, well, as to that. .. when I was, ahem, talking to some of Mr. Lucas's ... associates?" He smiled at the incongruity of such a refined word for such uncouth louts, and his listeners smiled back. "What happened?" Jeff prompted. "Well, you see, they were talking rather freely, as they hadn't yet seen me, and they mentioned a Bartholomew ranch? A ... calving barn?" Lulu paled. "Sheriff Bartholomew's place? He's *that* sure of himself?" Jeff shook his head. "Until today, no one had any idea he was up to anything, Lulu. He's gotten away with everything, why not continue?" "But, but ... there are still calves in that barn! If they're killed, the sheriff will be wiped out! And his wife ..." suddenly she stopped, and blushed. "Well, I don't like to be missish, but they say his wife is, um, expecting ... he can't afford to start all over!" "Well, we'll have to do something," Jeff answered, not quite sure what he had in mind. "But they'll never believe us if we accuse him, you know that." "Well, we'll just have to do something else, then," Lulu replied suddenly.<< Well, well, well? A plethora of "wells"! I'm guilty of this myself. [continue in part 2] Sandy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:02:35 -0400 Reply-To: salymc@gateway.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Organization: GWNET Subject: Lone Rider Review (part 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>He sighed once more and tried to explain himself to the woman who looked as if she wanted to argue with him. "I need to be on guard, and I don't want to worry about shooting you by mistake." Lulu considered the wisdom of the statement, and decided that he was probably right. She had no desire to be shot, and he had already demonstrated once how quickly he could draw and aim his gun. Also, she could think of worse people to be with.<< This seemed a little odd. I would think that Lulu would be a better shot than Jeff, having grown up on a ranch out west. Wasn't he raised in Boston or was he raised on a reservation? And, if he was raised on a reservation, would the authorities allow Indians to have guns? I don't know. >>Looking down onto Judd from the vantage point of the high porch they were not prepared for his next statement.<< Looking down at Judd from the... >>"Well, I thought I'd just let you both know now, I am interested in courting your daughter and expect to be marrying her later this summer. She's just the woman to give me the sons I have always wanted. Micah, I know you and Hattie will give me your permission and blessing."<< Why is Lucas speaking so formally? "Well, I thought I'd just let you both know, I'm interested in courtin' your daughter and expect to be marryin' her later this summer. She's just the woman to give me the sons I've always wanted. >>It galled him to have to look up to anyone and now was no exception. He arrogantly did not wait for their answer but was turning to leave when they heard a noise coming from the house. The older couple chose to ignore it with a side look to each other but Judd spoke up.<< First sentence: specify who "him" is. Not clear if it's Micah or Lucas. Second sentence is awkward. Abruptly, he turned to leave, not bothering to wait for an answer. A noise from the house stopped him cold, however. With the barest sign of acknowledgement, the older couple pretended ignorance, but Judd had no interest in pretense. >>"How dare he think I would start courting him! If only I could get my hands on a gun I would run that no-account off this place!"<< Women didn't court men. "How dare he think I would let him court me!" >>Lulu glanced around the room and saw her mother's sewing basket sitting close by. Quicker than greased lightning<< Quicker than greased lightning? >>He was startled by the strength of this petitewildcat he held in his arms.<< Need a space. >>"Remind me never to tell your parents of what my intentions might be."<< delete "of". >>Lulu was shocked at her reaction. She turned and grabbed Jeff by the front of his shirt. Standing on tiptoe, she planted a hard kiss on his mouth and then pushed him slightly as she let go. Off balance, in more ways than one, Jeff fell against the wall. Luisa was running for the back door. "Race ya to the stable!" Jeff straightened his hat. "Whoa," he whispered. He stepped out to the back porch. His wildcat partner was making a mad dash for the stable, her hair flying free like a defiant flag as she ran. He shook his head in admiration. He looked around and noticed Lucas was no longer in sight, having delivered his 'proposal' and made a hasty retreat.<< This whole section needs reworking. First of all, I thought they were supposed to be quiet so as not to alert Lucas. As the very last sentence points out, they had no idea whether he was still outside. Now, let's backtrack. Second -- you're telegraphing your action, instead of just letting it happen, e.g., "Lulu was shocked at her reaction." Delete the first sentence. The action will, then, have greater Startled by his words, Lulu turned, grabbed Jeff by the front of his shirt, and rising on tiptoe, planted a hard kiss on his mouth before pushing him away. Lulu was shocked by her reaction, but Jeff was even more so. He fell against the wall. "Race ya to the stable," she whispered in challenge. Jeff straightened his hat as he watched Lulu race to the backdoor. 'Whoa!' he muttered, his eyes wide with excitement. Stepping out to the back porch, he looked around anxiously for Lucas and his men. They were no where in sight. Breathing a sigh of relief, Jeff was suddenly caught up in the actions of his wildcat partner. She was making a mad dash for the stable.... >>"Now what?" Lulu whispered, her voice so invitingly close to his ear. "We wait ... and watch," he said, and then smiled. "I guess. I really don't have a clue. This disguise business is new to me."<< If Jeff is supposed to be incognito, won't Lulu's presence give him away. >>"Well ...." Jeff temporized, trying to read her face in the dying light. "I'm a pretty straightforward kind of guy."<< I know "temporize" is a word, but somehow "extemporize" seems more fittin'. >>Jeff smiled down at her, his heart overflowing with emotion. His entire life up until this morning now seemed unbearably bleak -- how had he ever lived without her?<< Delete hyphen and replace with two sentences. >>He leaned down to kiss her ... but abruptly pulled his head upwards again, peering off into the distance. "I think I can hear them coming..."<< Delete "can" >>"I bet they're working on setting the barn on fire," Lulu muttered darkly. "We've got to stop them, fast."<< "I bet they're going to set the barn on fire," >>Deciding that it had been easier to face those two criminals than it was to look the honest sheriff in the eye, he whirled his horse around and headed back into the woods ... he needed to talk to Luisa about this.<< Use a period with ellipsis and capitalize the last sentence. >>Jeff couldn't help but laugh at her enthusiasm, as he reached down to give her hand up behind him.<< give her a hand up >>"What did the sheriff say to you back there? I couldn't hear from back here."<< Delete "back there" >>"Oh, just that he was grateful for the help." Jeff paused, then added, "He wanted to know my name, and I didn't know what to say." "Oh, yeah, we should have thought of that. You'll need a name for your disguise."<< The discussion of Jeff's disguise up to this point in the story and beyond seems so lowkey.... Unremarkable, considering how important it is to this couple and their history. >>Jeff figured Wells would be a good writer since he managed to make everything sound as if he'd actually been back there in those days. Maybe Jeff was just feeling very romantic these days. At least Wells had promised to depart when Luisa showed up. She had promised meet him here up here at his special place to discuss her plan for trapping Judd Lucas once and for all. He sighed. It was probably something guaranteed to get her killed.<< Jeff figured Wells would be a good writer since he managed to make everything sound as if he'd actually been there. "Or maybe, I'm just feeling romantic," Jeff murmured, a little ruefully, thinking of Luisa. Luisa had promised to meet him, at the special place he had shown her, to discuss a plan for trapping Judd Lucas, and fortunately, Wells had agreed to depart when she arrived. Jeff sighed. Whatever plan Luisa had come up with, he was sure it was guaranteed to get her killed. >>Mellie touched his face. "The reverend is there. Maybe he can stop Lucas."<< Would "reverend" be capitalized since it's basically being used like a proper name? In any case, here's where things get a little confused with the story. What is the Reverend doing at the McCoys, and why is he playing cards (presumably for "the hand" of Lulu and for the ranch)? There's no set up to this at all. It would have been better (and more exciting storywise) to see how all this came about rather than hear about it second hand. This is partially an action story. It would be a good thing for the reader to experience that first-hand. >>There it was, the McCoy ranchhouse. He was nearing it rapidly. Unfortunately the wind was not cooperating and he would overshoot the target. Just as he thought he was about to land in the barnyard, the silk snagged itself on the weathervane. He was pulled back hard, and smacked against the wall.<< Although the parachute idea was definitely a unique solution (and Supermanish to boot), it's an awfully risky plan. How do they know where the wind's going to blow him? >>Sometime later, the McCoy homestead was quiet once more. Judd Lucas's body had been removed, and Jeff had left to take Sheriff Bartholomew to where his wife and Mr.Wells were waiting anxiously for good news.<< Now, here, some explanation is required. We obviously can surmise that the sheriff wasn't hurt too badly if he could cooperate with Jeff on a plan, but this is all really not terribly clear. Was he shot or was he playing possum? >>"If Jeff is who you want, honey, we'll support you in that; we'll figure out something."<< Delete "in that" >>P'raps we could let that illusion stand for a bit -- just until the townsfolk get to know Jeff more, to see what a fine man he is."<< get to know Jeff better and see what a.... >>Luisa looked at her father, incredulous.<< Incredulous, Luisa looked at her father. (Put the adjective closer to the noun.) >>Jeff and Wells walked out of the small house in Candelero where they had dropped the sheriff and his wife.<< But, *how is the sheriff*? How badly was he harmed? Also ... might want to add the word "off" as in dropped off. >>Jeff looked puzzled. "You're leaving? Now? But how? It's almost dark, and there's no stage due till in the morning."<< till the morning. >>Jeff returned the buckboard to the McCoy stables as quickly as the horses would travel, eager to see Luisa once more, to really be sure she was unharmed. If he had lost her ... but he hadn't, so he needn't think about how empty his life would be without her.<< How many stables do the McCoy's have? They must be wealthy. Also, "would travel, eager to see Luisa once more and assure himself that she was unharmed.... >>"Hello, Luisa," he replied, not quite self-confident enough to greet her with a kiss, not in front of her hired help, anyway.<< replace comma with hyphen... "with a kiss -- not in front of her..." >>This time with her had been wonderful, but he should have known it wouldn't last.<< *His* time with her.... (Or, are you trying to play off the concept of "time" by using the word "this"?) >>Luisa pulled back and looked him square in the eye. "Thomas Jefferson Higheagle, if you think you can be rid of me that easily, you've got another thought coming."<< square? squarely? Also, "if you think you can get rid of me that easily ..." >>THE END<< Maybe for me too ; ) [Continue in Part 3] Sandy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:04:32 -0400 Reply-To: salymc@gateway.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sandy McDermin Organization: GWNET Subject: Lone Rider Review (Part 3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit General Points: Positives: First of all, I want to concede that roundrobins -- if the "Lone Rider" is an example of them -- have gotten better, more polished and more enjoyable for the reader. But, I still maintain, that they are a better exercise for the writer, than for their audience. Writers get to collaborate, and they learn from each other. At least, I'm assuming that they do. I don't quite understand where the give-and-take is -- where the opportunity is to give advice and get it. I suppose it's during the planning session. Negatives: As I said, the "Lone Rider" story is better than the roundrobins I read in the past, but I did detect changes in style and tone within the manuscript which can be mildly disappointing if not as jarring as they once were. I also noticed a continuity problem or two which, of course, can be just as problematic with a single author but is much more likely to develop within a group. Frankly, when it comes to writing, I really like to get a sense of an author's voice or take on a story. I think stories done by committee are fine but they're not the best, or we would have seen more masterpieces of collective writing other than the Bible. Writing is -- at the heart of it -- a very singular occupation. The Soulmates Genre: As many know, I'm not a big fan of the soulmates genre, but if I were to write this type of story, I think I'd want to do a twist on the typical plot. (Perhaps, you've already done this.) For instance, I have a fanfic, which I don't consider a soulmates story, that has the Lois-like character in possession of the secret identity as opposed to Clark. This is certainly not a new idea. There was a wonderfully funny fanfic, which was posted to the Loiscla listerv when the show was on ABC, that was very entertaining. It switched the roles of Lois and Clark. (Does anyone remember what story that was? I'd certainly like to re-read it. I believe the author was a male.) Secondly, I wonder why you don't do a soulmates story where either Lois and/or Clark are unable to pursue the romance -- either by virtue of marriage or any other impediment. After all, they can't always be free. Thirdly, I know this has been discussed before, but, as I understand it, souls which travel together do not necessarily have the same relationship in every incarnation. It might be interesting to try something different. After all, doing the same soulmates story, barring the scenery, can become tiring. Well, thanks for putting up with all these posts. I hope I haven't annoyed anyone. Please recognize that the very fact that I wrote three e-mails and put so much thought into this is because I know that the participants care so much. In light of that, I gave my comments as much thought and consideration as you would want and deserve -- as *I* would want and deserve if I were a participant. Thank you, Pam, for the opportunity. Sandy salymc@gateway.net http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:54:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Melissa Day Hall Subject: Re: Lone Rider Review In-Reply-To: <35DE2730.957850BC@gateway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd like to clarify a few points that might come into contention later on: First, I'm not one of the authors of "The Lone Rider". My participation in Round Robin Fanfiction is a recent event, postdating the creationg of the fic in question. Second, I don't want to step on any toes, but I believe that it's inevitable, so I'm apologizing in advance. If anyone believes that this is insufficient, please take it to private email: mhall@sound.net >General Points: I'll start with a few of my own. I was tempted to edit your review of the LR, but editting an edit of a story that has been finished and archived is a little pointless. So I'll start with commentary on the actual review: >Positives: > >First of all, I want to concede that roundrobins -- if the "Lone Rider" >is an example of them -- have gotten better, more polished and more >enjoyable for the reader. But, I still maintain, that they are a >better exercise for the writer, than for their audience. Writers get >to collaborate, and they learn from each other. At least, I'm assuming >that they do. I don't quite understand where the give-and-take is -- >where the opportunity is to give advice and get it. I suppose it's >during the planning session. Well, starting off your positive comments with a concession doesn't bode well. Further, I was disappointed that you made no mention of what you actually liked about LR. If you didn't like anything, it's perhaps best to say so, than to temporize (and no, not extemporize- I mean exactly what I say), and end up "damning with faint praise". Your comments on the nature of Round Robins puzzles me. If you've watched one or participated in one, please stop me, but in my experience, the RR isn't an exercise- it's an experience that isn't necessarily about the writing. I'll admit, the immediate response to your section once you've finished writing, while your palms are still damp, and your fingers are shaking, is something that can't really be replicated, but that isn't why I keep coming back. The social interaction with other writers is just as much of a thrill. >Negatives: > >As I said, the "Lone Rider" story is better than the roundrobins I read >in the past, but I did detect changes in style and tone within the >manuscript which can be mildly disappointing if not as jarring as they >once were. This is something that can't really be escaped in any round robin. Good editing (Time to sing praises of Georgia!) can help enormously, but if the change in style is something that annoys you enough to detract from the enjoyment of the story, then you really shouldn't read RRs. >I also noticed a continuity problem or two which, of course, >can be just as problematic with a single author but is much more likely >to develop within a group. Frankly, when it comes to writing, I really >like to get a sense of an author's voice or take on a story. I think >stories done by committee are fine but they're not the best, or we would >have seen more masterpieces of collective writing other than the >Bible. Writing is -- at the heart of it -- a very singular >occupation. Ah...the Bible. I'll assume you're speaking of the King James version (I shouldn't, but that's the one I grew up with), which was assembled from the various Latin and Greek versions of the early 1600's into something that was meant to 'sound good'. And it does. But the disparate styles are even more jarring than any round robin I've ever seen. (Try comparing Deuteronomy and Song of Solomon ;) >The Soulmates Genre: > >As many know, I'm not a big fan of the soulmates genre, but if I were to >write this type of story, I think I'd want to do a twist on the typical >plot. It may be a little late to suggest this, but if you go into a review with a bias, perhaps it is best to acknowledge the bias at the beginning instead of the end, so that the people who _don't_ realize it can be forewarned. >(Perhaps, you've already done this.) For instance, I have a >fanfic, which I don't consider a soulmates story, that has the Lois-like >character in possession of the secret identity as opposed to Clark. The Seahawk contains a twist similar to this. >This is certainly not a new idea. There was a wonderfully funny fanfic, >which was posted to the Loiscla listerv when the show was on ABC, that >was very entertaining. It switched the roles of Lois and Clark. (Does >anyone remember what story that was? I'd certainly like to re-read it. >I believe the author was a male.) Superwoman, by Dirk Van Deun >Secondly, I wonder why you don't do a soulmates story where either Lois >and/or Clark are unable to pursue the romance -- either by virtue of >marriage or any other impediment. After all, they can't always be >free. Yes, but where's the fun in that? The idea of the round robins is to have fun, and the idea behind the soulmates is to show the romance, and with a serious impediment, all you have left is angst. While angst is certainly a valid vehicle in fiction, I seriously doubt it has much of a place in either the Soulmates Chronicles or RRs in general. >Thirdly, I know this has been discussed before, but, as I understand it, >souls which travel together do not necessarily have the same >relationship in every incarnation. It might be interesting to try >something different. After all, doing the same soulmates story, barring >the scenery, can become tiring. Actually- that's what makes it so challenging and interesting for me- take the same plot- two souls who will meet and fall in love- and change everything else, from the physical surroundings to the cultural assumptions, and see what happens next. Perhaps my fascination comes from my deep interest in history and mythology, but that knowledge does nothing to dim my enthusiasm. >Well, thanks for putting up with all these posts. I hope I haven't >annoyed anyone. Please recognize that the very fact that I wrote three >e-mails and put so much thought into this is because I know that the >participants care so much. In light of that, I gave my comments as much >thought and consideration as you would want and deserve -- as *I* would >want and deserve if I were a participant. The participants care deeply about their work, and while I can see how you think your comments are made respectfully, I feel that an in-depth edit, including typos, word choice and sentence structure, is much more appropriate to private email to the participants, preferrably prior to the publication of the fic. As a reader, I expect a review to include positive and negative comments about the fic, and a recommendation (perhaps with qualifications- like a reminder that the fic in question is a RR). Misha