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< I said "heard about some circus strongman in the future" I believe the
"in the future" clause modifies all preceding clauses. >

I understand now. The reason the phrase was unclear to me was because it
seemed that "in the future" modified where the circus strongman was that
Wells heard of (as in if "of" were substituted for "in"), not *where*
Wells heard about the strongman.

< Sorry, I wasn't specific. I meant what HG says at the end of TA. >

Well, the answer still isn't obvious to me. Wells's last words to Alt
Clark are: "What do you think Shakespeare meant when he wrote, 'In
apprehension how like a god'?  Have your apprehensions, Clark, but know
that you've found your true destiny. And in you, a once-hopeless world
has found its future. Good luck to you." (And reading this over, I know
that it's been changed from this copy of the script.) Having read that,
though, I'm still not sure what you meant. I meant that Wells would have
been playing God if he were to "rescue" Alt Clark from a life of circus
people & decide to go back in history and have M&J raise him. This
doesn't support the idea of Wells playing God with Superman's
upbringing, but that, now that everyone in the Alt world knows The
Secret, that they will treat Clark like a god.

<< From what the show has told us, Wells *did* bring Tempus into the
past on purpose; >>

< Yes, to meet HG Wells friends, uh, why didn't HG brings his friends to
Tempus' Utopia instead, wouldn't these alleged friends of HG have liked
to see Utopia? >

Maybe because, if a slightly off-center friend of yours who wrote
fiction about time travel claimed that he or she had actually invented a
time machine, showed it to you, and asked you to jump aboard, would you
do it? You may say yes, but I'm sure many people would say no. Maybe
these "friends" of Wells's don't trust him or his invention enough to
hop aboard and take a test drive. Scientifically, Wells's explanation
makes sense; he claims to have invented a time machine. To make everyone
believe him & perhaps stop making fun of him, he decides to bring back
some proof so that his colleagues ("friends") will take him seriously.

< Yes, but that wasn't the point, because HG was lying through his teeth
about it.>

I still can't understand where your Wells/circus strongman theory comes
from, or what in the show made you think it may have happened. Is there
something that was said or something that happened, or are you just
kidding? (It's hard to hear sarcasm over e-mail.)

<< Who said anything about Smallville? >>

< I guess Jor-El did in the message from the globe ;-) >

According to my copy of the script (and it's not the "final draft," so
it may have been changed), Jor-El says the following, his only refernce
to Earth geography by name: "We give you to Earth, to a realm called
America, and a place called  Kansas.  Remember us, but do not  regret
our passing.  All is fate." There are a lot of infertile couples in
Kansas.

Also, why should Wells know (or care) about the globe's message? If he
was playing God with this child's life, why should he care where his
biological father intended him to be raised. I'm sure Jor-El didn't
anticipate him being a circus person. <g> Perhaps Wells did know about
the globe, perhaps it was common knowledge, learned about through Kent
History, but there's nothing to indicate that (or any of the
Wells-choosing-Smallville idea) in the show. I'd like to think that the
globe was kept as private as possible (though Jack & his brother &
Luthor & Nigel knew about it), shared only with the Kents, Lois, Clark,
and their children (in the future).

<< some only children have a hard time relating to their peer group
since they're so used to adults.>>

< Sounds like another benefit, not a detriment. More maturity is good,
No? Utopian society how to get there? Well for one read my signature
quote below and I quote Genevieve's quote:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)

The unreasonable man sounds like an only child who can't get along with
his peers, don't you think?>

Though I like the "unreasonable man" quote, I still stand by the fact
that being an only child can be bad for a child. It can make him more
lonely (and Clark already had enough things to make him stand out and be
lonely about- especially if he became a circus person- that he doesn't
need any more). Also, being poorly adjusted to your peers might lead to
feeling left out, rejected, or other such negative emotions, which could
stand in the way of his leading as productive a life as he otherwise
would have. More maturity can be good, but it can also lead to
loneliness, and relating to others is a skill that Clark should have if
he is to become Superman, who is constantly trying to ease conflict.

< They said they marched for civil rights, last time I checked Martin
Luther King Jr. was a minister. Contrary to popular belief the civil
rights movement in the 60s was a religious movement. If MLK had been a
ditch digger, well I think you can figure the rest... >

I don't think that everyone who fought & marched for civil rights was
religious, or believed in and feared one singular god. Martin Luther
King, Jr. wasn't the only civil rights leader. People such as Malcolm X
and Elijah Muhammed were civil rights leaders as well, but I wouldn't
call every civil rights marcher or protester a member of the Nation of
Islam. I don't know the etymology of the word "god-fearing," but *I*
fear that this portion of the discussion has gotten a little far from
Lois and Clark. My point to the post (and my previous ones) was that I
can't see where in the show you're getting any background for your
circus/Wells ideas.

-Christy
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Hey all,

I hear (thanks to Jessie ... ) that there is a rr group being formed? I
don't know who's organising it, if anyone, but I'd like to be a part of
it ... if that's ok :-D

Who else is doing it?

Can't wait to hear more about it!!

Thanks Jessie for telling me about it and for your encouraging words
about my story!!!

Angee.
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Angee Chaudhry
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> From: Georgia E. Walden <gwalde14@MINDSPRING.COM>
> To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> Subject: MIghty Mouse ;) was (Re: Episode Thoughts: Very Long Post)
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 5:21 PM
>
> At 05:44 AM 7/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 98-07-27 22:46:06 EDT, gwalde14@MINDSPRING.COM
writes:
> >
> ><< Not once during the episode does Superman seem
> > embarrassed by being smaller. >>
> >
> >
> >Oh? I thought that was exactly why he didn't want Lois to see him
"looking
> >like Mighty Mouse."
>

        I doubt Supes really would want people to say, "There he goes to
save the
dayyyy,  Superman is on his wayyy!"

        Sorry, old scar from my childhood...<G>

        Joe
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I got bored at work- the servers are locking up, so I thought I'd add my
thoughts to the jumble.

Time Travel:

Yes, if you had a time machine what would you do with it? Go and see
>historic events which you already know about or go an see the future?

There's a problem with both of these options.

I'd love to back to the past and see history as it happened, since the
history books tend to be written by the winners. :) However, what if I
were tempted to meddle? Say- make sure the Vikings hung around North
America, perhaps bringing the science of metalworking to the natives?
What would happen to my timeline? Would I have just created an alternate
universe- and if so, is time travel just dimension hopping? Or would I
erase the timeline from which I came? What would happen to all of my
memories if that happened- or even my existence?

And then there's the future- and where I start thinking of quantum
physics and Schroedinger's cat. You don't know what will exist until you
get there. And then if you leave and come back- is it the same future?
Or are there billions and billions of futures coming from the present-
splitting off each time a decision is made- like, what if I have
chocolate ice cream instead of rocky road? One future is decided by the
rocky road, and the other by the chocolate. The what-ifs get worse... :)

> I think I'll quote Einstein, "God does not play dice with the universe."

Einstein never had to deal with quantum physics. The dice are loaded.

Scientific advancement:

>The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
>persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all
>progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)
>
>The unreasonable man sounds like an only child who can't get along
>with his peers, don't you think?

Not really- I just did some research on birth order, and most scientific
advances have come from eldest children. The stereotype of the only
child that can't get along with his/her peers comes from the past -
where family sizes tended to be large, and tragedy (death of a parent)
was the main cause of being an only child. Childhood trauma kinda works
that way.

God-fearing:

>>> What are you agnostic? Okay, "higher-power fearing" is that better? >

Nope. That snubs all the people who believe that deity (for lack of a
better word) exists within them. ;)

>>Personally, I don't see what my religious beliefs have to do with
>>anything (though I'm not an agnostic, if you must know). But my point
>>was that I don't remember their being any reference in the show (but
>>maybe someone can prove me wrong about this) that M&J were religious.

<snip civil rights stuff>
Religion is a touchy subject to begin with, and when you add an alien
comic-book hero to the mix, it gets downright bizarre. That's why I
think they tended to avoid mention of _anyone's_ religion in L&C.

>>believed in one singular god, or feared that god, for that matter. I was
>>just surprised by the adjective.
>
>It's an idiom. (Do you know the etymology of that idiom? ;-)

Well, without my linguistics textbook in front of me, I'll give a stab:
(and I'm guessing at the time period...)

It comes from a time when you either feared God and the Holy Church (and
I'm capitalizing God on purpose) or you didn't, and if you didn't, then
you were a god-less pagan and deserved to be tortured, maimed, burned,
etc.

Depending on who's using it, 'god-fearing' can mean a variety of
different things.
Since my closest friends include a Jew, three pagans, a Druid, an
agnostic, and a devout Christian, I tend to avoid it if at all possible.

HG Wells Bio:

Ah... this is long enough as is. Maybe after lunch.

Misha
(Purveyor of things that make your brain go 'Ow.')
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At 01:47 AM 7/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>< Sorry, I wasn't specific. I meant what HG says at the end of TA. >
>
>Well, the answer still isn't obvious to me. Wells's last words to Alt
>Clark are: "What do you think Shakespeare meant when he wrote, 'In
>apprehension how like a god'?  Have your apprehensions, Clark, but know
>that you've found your true destiny.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> And in you, a once-hopeless world has found its future.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Good luck to you." (And reading this over, I know
>that it's been changed from this copy of the script.) Having read that,
>though, I'm still not sure what you meant. I meant that Wells would have
>been playing God if he were to "rescue" Alt Clark from a life of circus
>people & decide to go back in history and have M&J raise him.

>This
>doesn't support the idea of Wells playing God with Superman's
>upbringing,

What! HG Wells just declared that Superman is Clark's *true* destiny,
if that isn't acting god-like, then what is? Jor-El only told him to
live on, until Zara showed up, then that changed.

>
>I still can't understand where your Wells/circus strongman theory comes
>from, or what in the show made you think it may have happened. Is there
>something that was said or something that happened, or are you just
>kidding? (It's hard to hear sarcasm over e-mail.)
>

Well, forget the circus strongman part, that is just an attention getter;
he could've been like Alt-Clark or been caught landing a plane from
the outside. The point is that he wasn't "Superman".

As far as Wells' involvement, it is basic detective work, yes you want
to blame it on bad continuity, but like I said, time travel obfuscates
continuity. Recently a local woman was caught in the murder of her
husband, How? At the press conference when he was still "missing" she
talked about him in the past tense. The police found that very interesting.

I find it very interesting that someone of HG Wells' intelligence would
be fooled by someone like Tempus. Tempus was not subtle. And if he was
fooled by Tempus, then why did he seek out Superman's help? Gold? Did
he think Superman would steal it or mine it for him? Couldn't he and
Tempus manage by themselves?

This is just my interpretation of the events and the evidence. If
you want to come to your own different conclusion that is fine with
me. But don't try to tell me that there isn't any evidence to talk
about.

>America, and a place called  Kansas.  Remember us, but do not  regret
>our passing.  All is fate." There are a lot of infertile couples in
>Kansas.
>

Well, if you rode on a tractor all day, you would be, too.

The point is that Clark landed in Smallville and since their
happens to be an appropriate couple right there, then why search
the globe for another? Fate would appear to be on HG Wells' side
and Jor-El's and Clark's side.

>
>Though I like the "unreasonable man" quote, I still stand by the fact
>that being an only child can be bad for a child. It can make him more

Can we agree that it's better to grow up as an only child, than to
grow up with no real parents at all?

>I don't know the etymology of the word "god-fearing,"

How about "salt-of-the-earth" type people? It has basically the same
meaning good, loving, peaceful people.

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At 12:12 PM 7/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>And then there's the future- and where I start thinking of quantum
>physics and Schroedinger's cat. You don't know what will exist until you
>get there. And then if you leave and come back- is it the same future?
>Or are there billions and billions of futures coming from the present-
>splitting off each time a decision is made- like, what if I have
>chocolate ice cream instead of rocky road? One future is decided by the
>rocky road, and the other by the chocolate. The what-ifs get worse... :)
>
>> I think I'll quote Einstein, "God does not play dice with the universe."
>
>Einstein never had to deal with quantum physics. The dice are loaded.
>

If the dice are loaded, then there aren't very many possibiliies are there?

Probabilities change; Probability is not reality.

>Scientific advancement:
>
>>The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
>>persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all
>>progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)
>>
>>The unreasonable man sounds like an only child who can't get along
>>with his peers, don't you think?
>
>Not really- I just did some research on birth order, and most scientific
>advances have come from eldest children.

Eh? Isn't the eldest child the only one who is guaranteed to be an only
child for at least part of his/her life?

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Hello FoLCs:  Just curiuos about the following related to the message below:

1.  Did Dean win the birthday vote on that web page?

2.  There as a web page for his birthday a few weeks ago that disappeared.
Does anyone know what happened to it?

3.  Are there plans to send him something from all of us?

4.  I thought that he would be showcased on Access Hollywood rather than
Entertainment Tonight.  I only have one VCR.  Any suggestions as to which
to tape?

Thanks,
Carolyn
cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu

P.S. Still hoping someone has Miracle Beach and "Off Camera" in their tape
library and can send me copies!!! :)  Or Anything else with Dean in it.
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><< From the HG Wells we've been introduced to on the show, this doesn't
>seem to be in character.>>
>
>< Do you know why they picked HG Wells and didn't just make up some
>other time traveler character? Someone post HG Wells' biography. >
>
>Maybe they should, because, besides knowing Wells was a fiction writer,
>I know very little else about him. I looked his biography up on Encarta
>CD rom encyclopedia, and it didn't give me much insight. But this
>doesn't really have anything to do with my point. I don't believe that
>the *character* of HG Wells that we were introduced to by the show would
>take an innocent infant (no matter what his potential was, because
>potential was all Clark had at that point) and decide that he wanted to
>see what this infant would be like if he'd been raised by a two very
>specific parents. Yes, Wells made mistakes that caused problems with the
>past, and hefixed those mistakes, but I don't think that there's
>anything in the show that would suggest or give foundation to the idea
>that Wells was the one who "gave" Clark to the Kents.

HG Wells was... well...

<delete several fits and starts and attempts at a bio under 30 pages in
length>

Ah, screw it. There are at least a dozen or two biographies of Wells out
there- at least one of which should be in your local library- go read
one. You'll find very little resemblance to the screen version of
Herbie. Bertie Wells was a convolutedly intriguing scientist, novelist,
social activist, feminist, historian, critic, philosopher, teacher, and,
most interesting- both a utopian planner and a dystopian.

Go. Read. Become enlightened. Then we can all come back and have an
(On-topic, even!) discussion about HG Wells' effect on science and
literature and ultimately, Lois and Clark. Maybe we could start with I'm
Looking Through You. (Who do you think wrote _The Invisible Man_ ?)

Misha
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> >In a message dated 98-07-27 18:41:03 EDT, you write:
> >
> ><< Good. Now can you describe the Romeo & Juliet type plot? >>
> >Geeeeez! You want everything!
> >Okona was a go-between for two kids from separate races who were at war
with
> >each other. She or he gave the jewel to the other by way of Okona and he
was
> >caught with it. Peace was made and everyone lived happily ever after.

As a Trekker AND a FoLC (among other things) I was intregued that I hadn't
noticed Teri in "The Outrageous Okona". So I stormed though my Trek tapes at
1 AM this morning until I found the episode. Sure enough, there she is. She
is the transporter technician who beams Okona aboard, and is the first
crewwoman he seduces. (Your post gave me the idea she was the pregnant girl,
but I thought that was wierd, because I was sure I'd have remembered her
then! <g>)

Debra L. Gray
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Trekker
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I haven't read every post on this topic, so maybe someone has already
brought
this up. Consider this scenario. HGWells creates his time machine and
travels
to the future. The time authority intercepts him and takes him aside. They
have a little mission for him, which they hope he will accept. In fact they
know that he will accept. It is a fact of their history. They carefully tell
him what they want him to do to help fullfill history. Then they point him
in
the direction of a pyschopath called Tempsis.

Hey I just thought of something. What proof did L&C have that this was
really
HGWells? Maybe it was a disguised agent from the future, using the guise of
fiction writer to lull their suspicions and to manuever them into doing
those
things that history has recorded them as doing. You have to admit that he
was
alot more technologically advanced than any nineteenth century genius could
be. He also had a "knack" for showing up to help L&C in these sticky "time"
troubles. Maybe it's because he had foreknowledge.

budmayes@aol.com
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   Two questions first. I've been lurking for a week or so, and now I have a
couple of questions that I'm hoping the FoLCs here won't mind me asking -
showing my ignorance, so to speak. <g!> If you don't want to gum up the list
by answering me here, you're welcome to e-mail me.

   1. I understand that there is a written-down fifth L&C season floating
around out there: what do I do to find it?

   2. I understand that TNT has L&C reruns, which is great if you live in
the States or have a satellite dish. I'm too poor for the latter, and I live
in BC, Canada, so does anybody know if any Canadian stations are doing the
same?

   Now my comment:

> In a message dated 98-07-28 18:45:36 EDT, you write:
>
> << I think I'll quote Einstein, "God does not play dice with the
universe." >>
>
> Yeah, but he got the "I before E" rule wrong twice in his name<G>
>
> Zoomway@aol.com (don't go into the time machine sales business, there's no
> future in it ;)

If you were being serious, Zoom, I apologize. :) <g and humbly cringe like a
Ferengi!> But my understanding is that Einstein is a good German name. For
Germans, the rule goes something like this: "'E' comes before 'I' if the
combination is pronounced 'eye'. 'I' comes before 'E' if the combination is
pronounced 'ee'." At least, that's what my German-born mom and her siblings
tell me!

Now back to lurking.

Debra L. Gray
dlgray@usa.net

FoLC
Trekker
X-Phile (proud 'Shipper)
JAG freak - what's the proper term anyway?!
M*A*S*Hnik
(Gimme a minute - I might think of a few more!)

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In a message dated 98-07-29 19:41:52 EDT, you write:

<< If you were being serious, Zoom, I apologize. :)  >>

Oh yeah, *totally* serious, that's why I admire Frankenstein, he only got
the
i before e rule wrong once in his name.

Zoomway@aol.com ("Humor, a difficult concept" STII: The Wrath of Khan ;)
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In a message dated 98-07-29 08:48:53 EDT, you write:

<< Two <g> in one paragraph >>

Oh, I should explain that "<g>" stands for "grin".  It's a shorthand in
cyberspace where we can't see or hear how someone says something, it's a way
of saying that something was intended as a joke, or at the very least not to
be taken as serious as major heart surgery<g> (grin)  Like in the old letter
writing days where someone would write "ha ha" to let the person know it was
meant not to be taken seriously.

>>>And that paragraph is muddying the waters
considerably, I think.  Does my analysis of the time frame from BE hold
up or not?  Or are you trying to imply that I'm being pedantic, and it
doesn't matter whether the truce was still in effect or not?  In which
case I would ask why you brought up the 48 hour truce in your first
post?<<<

Oh, that came from Sandy's original post that started this thread. She
wrote:

>In my mind, I rationalized it by assuming that the
Military was not in dispute with the principle of what Cash was doing
but the timing.<

and then in her second post:

>>However, *when* he used it was probably was at issue.<<

I think you were likely following my responses to you and to Sandy (and we
were talking about the 48 hour ban)  Your theory, on the other hand, is that
Cash was arrested for letting Lois out of the Daily Planet.

>>>>I'm not sure what Trask has to do with out conversation about Col. Cash;
you seem to insist on comparing the two. Trask was operating when there
was no threat, Cash was operating in a time of war.<<<<

Did, or did not Trask perceive Superman as a true threat to Earth? (not
asking
if he was right, I'm asking what he believed)  Did Bureau 39 exist since
1947,
investigating and collecting data on extraterrestrial phenomena all that
time?
Did they have a huge warehouse of materials that can be described as "other
worldly" in nature?  Did they have a lot of data on several sightings and
landings of a 'UFO' nature? (including Smallville 1966)  If so, then there
was
a lot more than Superman that gave them reason to be fearful. I say
'fearful'
because it's one thing to have a little spacecraft in your posession for a
quarter of a century, but quite another when one day a being appears wearing
a
symbol on his chest that matches the symbol on that spacecraft. A being that
is impossibly strong, fast, can fly and if he desired, could burn a city to
the ground in moments just by looking at if funny ;) A being seemingly
invulnerable to any known weapon.  Most of all, it meant that if *he*
existed,
then others could to.

It's easy to relegate Trask to the rubber M-16 squad for his single-minded
pusuit of Superman with a desire to destroy him, but if he truly felt
Superman
was the "advance man" then Trask logically believed finding a way to destroy
Superman would send a message of 'don't try it' to those "invading hordes"
he
assumed would follow Superman here after we'd all been "softened up" and
lulled into a false sense of security by Superman.  In truth, Trask did come
across merely as a xenophobe with the mind-set that any good alien, is a
dead
alien and Superman is an alien, therefore, he wished to make him 'good'.
However, it is easy to see why someone like Trask could not conceive of
someone so powerful as Superman being basically good because Trask himself
corrupted and abused the power he had, so he no doubt felt anyone with
access
to power would corrupt and be corrupted by it, or at the very least, using
"goodness" as a cover for something bad.

>>>And, for what it's
worth, Yes, I also suspect that Trash had off-the-record official
backing of some sort.<<<

That gives further credence to the theory.  Someone obviously had to be
bankrolling Trask once he fell into disfavor with the bureau.  Lex would be
an
obvious choice (simply because he has the money) but an unacceptable one.
Trask wanted Superman dead, Lex wanted Superman to suffer, and more than
that,
if Lex were instrumental in Superman's destruction, he'd want Superman to
know
that.  So I do think Trask had government funding, and definitely off the
record.  That also means there was still a constituency of the government
that
perceived Superman as such a threat that they weren't taking a "wait and
see"
attitude, they were making a "seek and destroy" policy.  An ounce of
prevention, as it were.

>>>Absolutely -- Cash was the one in Metropolis (and the only member of the
military BB/ERL hired for the episode).  And I like to think he did have
orders to use the kryptonite.<<<<

Well it turns into a logic loop.  You'd like to believe he had permission to
use the Kryptonite at his discretion, or within some specified parameters,
but
if he did, why was he arrested?   Since you believe he had persmission, then
allowing Lois Lane to leave the Planet building and warn Superman of the
Kryptonite assault becomes your reason for why he was arrested. If that
theory
is correct, then we must assume that Cash had authority to place civilians
under house arrest. If so, he was a failure on that front as well.

>>>Again, I don't understand what Trask has to do with it.  Trask has been
dead for at least three years by now.  And Cash was operating in a time
of war, Trask during peacetime.<<<

I keep involking the name of Trask because both he and Cash felt they had
the
right to act on their own authority (or Cash, via your theory was an
incompetent jailer ;) They both had contempt for the agencies that held sway
over them.  "Bunch o' a weaklings"

<snip of script segment >>>Shows a great deal of common sense on the part of
the military, IMO.<<<<

Even without that extracted dialog, Lois hears the rumor from Klein.  We
don't
have to guess what the rumor was since she goes straight to Cash after
hearing
it.

>>>>I must have forgotten they all stood out on the street talking earlier.
However, we don't know when Cash was given the Kyrptonite Gas.<<<<

That makes him sound like a bigger idiot then.  He was calling the Pentagon
for permission for his men to act, but if he didn't have the Krytonite gas
yet, what was he planning on using? Spit balls?  If he did have the
Kryptonite
gas, and then was calling the Pentagon for permission for  his men to act,
we
get right back to why didn't he use it when Nor and his goon squad were
right
there in one place?

>>> believe that
Cash was given orders *by his superiors* to use the gas during the
duel. 1.  If at any time you get a chance to kill Nor, without endangering
Superman, take it!
2.  If it appears that Superman is losing the duel, use the gas, even if
it endangers
    Superman.3.  Under no circumstances, permit Nor to walk away from the
duel
the
victor.<<<

What knocks that theory into a cocked hat, as they say, is that it seemed
Cash
was the one giving orders "It's a go on operation Ready Money in three
minutes"  He wasn't going to see if Superman won or not, he was going to
fire
in three minutes *regardless*.  He tells those under his command "it's a go"
but did he have permission for a go ahead, or as suspected, decided to take
advantage of Nor fighting Superman even if that very likely meant Superman
would die too? Even the third option doesn't say "open fire three minutes
into
the duel"  The sniper puts together the launch weapon and then on the 3
minute
beep pulls the trigger. He had his orders, but they came from Cash, and
since
Lois brings up the battle and that Cash was arrested for his part in what
happened, then it sure seems like Cash was arrested for disobeying orders.

>>
I don't understand the <g>, or what you mean here.  Are you being
sarcastic?  I must be missing something.<<<

As stated above the "<g>" stands for "grin".

>>>And for the record, I don't think it was Lois's fault; that's not what
I'm trying to say at all.  She was putting the well-being of her fiancee
above the well-being of the planet, and that's understandable, if not
heroic.<<<

Putting the well-being of her fiance above the entire planet Earth does in
fact make it sound like her fault, and does in fact make her sound
traitorous,
even if it is for luuuuuv.  Since it seems utterly untrue that Cash's arrest
had a thing to do with letting Lois warn Superamn, it's not very important,
but the thought Lois would betray nearly 5 billion people is rather extreme.

>>>;) is what -- a grin and a wink?<<

Yes, it's an 'emoticon'.

:) smile
;) winking smile
:^) smile with eyes and nose
B^) someone with glasses smiling, well, you get the picture.

>>Does that mean you are being sarcastic
again? <<

Yup, for the record, I was being sarcastic ;) (winking smile)

>>And Clark has plenty of character faults, what
makes you think he doesn't?<<<

I definitley agree Clark has character faults, and being ultra parsimonious
is
one of them <g> (grin)

>>>And a "traitor" is someone who deliberatly
betrays the trust of another, not someone who might do something in an
emotional moment that they would regret later.<<<<

You think Lois *ever* regretted running to warn Clark about the Kryptonite
gas???? For the record, a traitor is someone who betrays their country or
friends or in this case their planet.  There has been more than one traitor
who gave away military secrets because he thought he was in luuuuuv, but
that
didn't make him any less a traitor.  The good news though, is Lois was *not*
a
traitor.

>>>The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)
<<<

I'll roger that.  Hitler changed the face of Europe, and no one I know of
ever
referred to him as "reasonable"<g> (grin)

Zoomway@aol.com

Bonus Emoticons:

@:^)  <-------  Wilma Flinstone

=):!)  <--------- Frosty the Snowman

C|__|  <--------Mug of coffee

c\_/   <--------- Glass of punch

1:^){  <---Superman when his mom was tipsy and sewed the S on the wrong way
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Hi Debra!
Here's the URL for the site for the fifth season of Lois and Clark:
http://www.geocities.com/Television City/Set/4342/season5.html.

Here's another site:
http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/

Hope this helps!

-Audrey Howard
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Christy Kubit wrote (I think):

> Though I like the "unreasonable man" quote, I still stand by the fact
> that being an only child can be bad for a child. It can make him more
> lonely (and Clark already had enough things to make him stand out and be
> lonely about- especially if he became a circus person- that he doesn't
> need any more). Also, being poorly adjusted to your peers might lead to
> feeling left out, rejected, or other such negative emotions, which could
> stand in the way of his leading as productive a life as he otherwise
> would have. More maturity can be good, but it can also lead to
> loneliness, and relating to others is a skill that Clark should have if
> he is to become Superman, who is constantly trying to ease conflict.<

Well, let's get it from the horse's mouth -- an only child's mouth, that
is.

Q:  Sandy, being an only child, were you lonelier than children who had
siblings?
A:  Sometimes, I suppose, but I did have friends and cousins.  Besides
that, one *can* be lonely in a crowd -- say the 6th child of 7.:)  There
are times when you are lonely and there are times when you're just ...
alone.

>>The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)<<

It's funny I was just commenting on this quote to Genevieve a few days
ago in regards to my computer problems and how much I wanted the
computer to adapt to me rather than me to it -- after all I'm the one
who spent the money, bought it dinner, and invited it home.<g>

>>The unreasonable man sounds like an only child who can't get along with
his peers, don't you think?>

Rather then not getting along, I found -- for me anyway -- that being an
only child made me more prone to adapt to others.  You see, when you
have siblings, you learn to share, but you also learn to fight for your
own space.  I never learned that as a child and had to as an adult.
Only children also don't have "guaranteed friends" -- like siblings.
So, you really have to work for your playmates.  For that reason, I
think only children tend to always want to be liked, and they always
want to please people, because friends who are not siblings, can walk
away.

Secondly, I believe only children -- in terms of birth order
characteristics -- are considered to be first children to the nth
degree.  In other words, they tend to have all the qualities of first
children, but exaggerated.  They tend to be super responsible, super
perfectionists, super pleasers, etc.

Lastly, since they bear most of the burden of their parent's
expectations -- whether the parents know they are putting this pressure
on them or not -- only children feel the need to be super achievers,
because their parents have placed their entire bet on them.

Some of this does sound like Clark Kent.  And, being the special person
that he is, I can only assume that this situation was even *more*
exaggerated. Poor him.

Misha said:
>>I just did some research on birth order, and most scientific
advances have come from eldest children. The stereotype of the only
child that can't get along with his/her peers comes from the past -
where family sizes tended to be large, and tragedy (death of a parent)
was the main cause of being an only child. Childhood trauma kinda works
that way.<<

Well, if eldest children (or only children) have, indeed, been
responsible for most scientific advances, I'd say that has something to
do with what I mentioned above -- being alone.  When you're alone a
great deal, it forces you to entertain yourself, to be creative, to use
your imagination.  You sometimes come up with a lot of strange theories
that way ; ).

Gary asked:
>>Yes, if you had a time machine what would you do with it? Go and see
historic
events which you already know about or go an see the future?<<

Ah, this is easy.  I'd go to the past and play the stock market ;).  I'd
find gold in California.  I'd buy cheap land out west and will it to
myself.  I'd "invent" liquid paper.  I'd travel to France and buy
paintings from those French before they became *really* Impressive.;)
In other words, I'd follow the money.

As for the future, being a pessimist I'm not sure there'll be one --
even one with people in it, let alone a planet.  You can't go to a place
that doesn't exist, except in your dreams.

Sandy
salymc@gateway.net
In the words of David Letterman, "I have a www!"
http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/
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My worthy opponent <g> may have mis-understood my theory about Col.
Cash.  It seems to have morphed into something that even I don't
recogonize anymore.  So, just for the record, I'm going to repeat my
hypothesis, and then I'll let this discussion go.  Zoom hasn't changed
my mind, I haven't changed hers, no one else is jumping in, so we might
as well all go and talk about the paradoxes of time travel.

Zoom said:
>
> Your theory, on the other hand, is that
> Cash was arrested for letting Lois out of the Daily Planet.

Actually, Sandy (or was it Debby Stark?) started this by saying it was
silly that Cash got arrested at all, and I had to agree with that.  I
still feel that Cash was only doing what any sensible military man
should have done.  To back this up, I pointed out that 1) the 48 hour
ban on violence had expired, 2) there was some evidence to suggest that
the entire military establishment was involved in the creation of the
Kryptonite Gas, and 3) there was no evidence that he was *not* following
orders when he used the Kryptonite.

My idea that Cash may have been arrested for letting Lois out of the
Daily Planet was a last ditch, tongue-in-cheek attempt to explain *why*
he was arrested.  I can't change the fact that when Lois was on the
Kryptonian ship, she said Cash had been arrested.  As a FoLC, we have to
try to explain things like that, right?  No matter how much of a stretch
it is. <g>  I mean, we can't sit here and say that TPTB made a
*mistake*, can we?  There's always an explanation!

My personal opinion is that Superman and Col. Cash should *both* receive
the Congressional Medal of Honor for their actions during the alien
invasion.

Let's let this subject drop, Zoom.  Although I will say that your
comments on Trask have given me an idea for a fanfic I'm working on.
So...thanks. <g>

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)

This quote actually comes from George Bernard Shaw's "The
Revolutionary's Handbook" which was published with his play "Man and
Superman."  That's not *our* Superman BTW, but Nietzsche's.  (And you
thought Mxyzptlk was hard to spell!)  Anyway, Shaw has a lot of
interesting maxims there. One of the other ones I like, because it makes
people sit up and think, is:  "If you strike a child, take care that you
strike it in anger, even at the risk of maiming it for life.  A blow in
cold blood neither can nor should be forgiven."
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At <http://www.expage.com/page/insiderstv> is info about
TNT making a movie with Dean Cain and without Teri Hatcher.

Anyone know anything about this?

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Gary wrote:

> At <http://www.expage.com/page/insiderstv> is info about
> TNT making a movie with Dean Cain and without Teri Hatcher.
>
> Anyone know anything about this?

I'm not familiar with "Insiders TV;"  are they a credible source?  The
press release sounds a little on the amateurish side (this from the queen
of run-on sentences <g>!)

Pat

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Yeah it's me again, and I don't mean to post again...but I'm also very
critical of everything that I read.

Now, I spent the last few minutes, steaming, venting and even writing TNT
(which doesn't even mention L&C on the main page anymore), then I looked at
the site address and looked up just www.expage.com....considering it's a a
"free web page" based service, and it doesn't mention WHERE it got the
information from, I guess we'll just have to see what happens....

Also, considering someone's impending marriage is RUMORED to be between Sept
and Dec, I find it hard to believe that the man who said he was sick of the
tights, would be so eager to jump in them again.

Guess this is just my own way of hoping it isn't true.

Andrea
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I personally don't think that this could be true. If it were, I'm pretty
sure
that there would have been more of a media buzz about the whole thing.
But that's just my opinion.

Kismet
(Just trying to cope with the loss of LNC)
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At 9:05 AM -0500 7/28/98, Hall, Melissa wrote:
>>> School:  Metropolis University
>>
>>Not true : Kansas State?
>
>I believe that Clark actually went to Midwest
>University.

In "All Shook Up", when Lois brings Clark home with amnesia, they look at a
football he had on a shelf to jog his memory.  The football, apparently one
awarded to him after a winning game/season, has his name written on it, the
name of his college, and some scores.  I remember it as saying "Midwestern
State".

Anyone watch a tape more recently and can confirm this?

Kathy (back from vacation, and swimming in a couple hundred fanfic list
mail posts ... wow, you guys were busy these last couple weeks.)

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At 6:41 PM -0500 7/29/98, DEBRA GRAY wrote:

>   1. I understand that there is a written-down fifth L&C season floating
>around out there: what do I do to find it?

Two different groups of FoLCs got together last year to create a "fanfic
fifth season" for L&C.  They went by the names "TUFS" (for The Unaired
Fifth Season) and "S5" (for Season 5).  TUFS was an offshoot of the Krypton
Club, while S5 was a group of fanfic writers who were assembled by Leanne
Shawler.

The S5 website (which won the Fanfic Kerth Award for Best Series
Continuation) is:

 <http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/>

The TUFS website is:

 <http://members.aol.com/thenando/tufs.htm>

Episodes for each season will eventually be added into the L&C Fanfic
Archive, but until that time, you can find links to both of these sites on
the front page of the Archive:

<http://www.ixpres.com/chrispat/lcfanfic>

Good luck and happy reading. :)

Kathy

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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:13:39 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-29 23:06:48 EDT, NightSky@erols.com writes:

>>I can't change the fact that when Lois was on the
Kryptonian ship, she said Cash had been arrested.  As a FoLC, we have to
try to explain things like that, right? <<<

Why exactly?  I'm not saying that over the years I haven't gotten a chuckle
at
the endless nitpicking, because some of it is hilarious "The episode was
ruined for me when Lois's hair blew backward instead of forward when
Superman
flew out the window"  One of my all time faves.  A fan who had an episode
ruined by hair flow<G>  But I don't care what direction Lois's hair blows
and
I don't *care* why Cash was arrested, the fact is, he was.  No more than I
cared that a kid like Jimmy Olsen would be given an Airforce *prototype*
watch
from STAR Labs to play with and that we never heard or saw what happened to
it
nor was it ever mentioned again.   None of that had a thing to do with my
enjoyment of Green Green Glow of Home, anymore than the minutiae of *why*
Cash
was arrested had a thing to do with what I enjoyed about Battleground Earth.
The A plots in Lois and Clark's four year history don't bear up well under
instense scrutiny, they never have.

The equation is often very simple.  If a fan loves an episode, he or she
tends
to overlook the neverending absurdities, inconsistencies, or downright
illogical moments. A fan dislikes/hates an episode (writer or entire
season),
and then it will be put through the wringer over details that might have
been
forgiven by that fan even  in the preceding episode.  That's just the way a
lot of us as fans are.  We're not even unique.  Fans of X-Files do this,
Xena,
Buffy, etc. It's a typical fan thing<g>  So, while one fan only fixated on
the
idea that an engagement ring being thrown with sufficient velocity to leave
Earth's gravitational field should have burned up in the atmosphere, I cared
that not only did Clark throw the ring in frustration, but that he was there
to catch it too, because he couldn't give up.  By the same token, I not only
don't care why Cash was arrested, I don't care what happened to any of the
Kryptonians after they left Earth.  What I did care about is that Clark
showed
up as Superman to fight Nor, and said "I'm fighting for my people" (thought
it
was cool ;)  I loved seeing Superman beat the !@#$ out of Lord Nor (yes, as
barbaric as that is of me ;) and most of all, I loved the fire escape scene.
It was so real in its intimacy and emotions, I felt like a voyeur watching
;)
This brings me to the Tempus Fugitive thread.

There's been interesting discussion here on all sides, but for me, Tempus
Fugitive was a glimpse into the future and destiny of Lois and Clark, and
the
legacy of their love for each other.  As to HG Wells, I have to admit most
of
the framework for the A plot appeared to be a loving tribute to Hollywood's
history of time travel movies. Wells' time sled looked similar to the one
used
in The Time Machine.  The "flux facilitaor" sounded similar to the "flux
capacitor" from Back to the Future ( in Tempus Anyone "flux capacitor" was
used)  Even the plot of HG Wells unwittingly unleashing a psychotic criminal
on current history is almost the identical plot to Time After Time where
Jack
the Ripper steals the time machine to escape into the violent and seductive
future of instant gratification.  He almost finds himself an amateur in the
future  Wells has to chase after him, and the adventure begins.  Wells says
"I
know you're Superman and I need your help" and L&C's adventure begins.  It's
just a lovely and fun episode to me, and has quite a lot of foreshadowing.
Then again, I'm one of those 'low maintainance' fans ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (oh and the statue was 'Infinity' ;)
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At 11:46 PM 7/29/98 -0400, Gary reported:

>At <http://www.expage.com/page/insiderstv> is info about
>TNT making a movie with Dean Cain and without Teri Hatcher.
>
>Anyone know anything about this?

sounds like some dumb scenarios... I'll vote for them adopting some of the
stories TUFS and S5 writers (*real*, dedicated, show-loving writers)
created!

Debby
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Hey I just thought of something. What proof did L&C have that this was
>really HGWells? Maybe it was a disguised agent from the future, using the
>guise of fiction writer to lull their suspicions and to manuever them into
>doing  those things that history has recorded them as doing. You have to
>admit that he was alot more technologically advanced than any nineteenth
>century genius could be. He also had a "knack" for showing up to help L&C
in
>these sticky "time" troubles. Maybe it's because he had foreknowledge.

Well, you gotta wonder sometimes. Wells made some pretty amazing
predictions: air-to-air combat before the Wright Brothers made their
first flight, tanks, atomic bombs and atomic energy, just to name a few.
Now, whether that's a result of an extremely active imagination, or the
benefits of jumping around the timeline is a good question.

And then, maybe the real HG Wells wasn't really born and raised in Kent
(I kid thee not!) in the late 19th century. Maybe he was a future agent
from Utopia who came back to make sure things stayed on the right
timeline, and then stuck around for any number of reasons.

Misha
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>>At <http://www.expage.com/page/insiderstv> is info about
>>TNT making a movie with Dean Cain and without Teri Hatcher.
>>
>>Anyone know anything about this?

It's a hoax, everyone.

The big tip-offs are the grammatical mistakes in the "press release" and
the fact that his information about what was planned for the fifth season
was completely incorrect.  Tim Minear came on IRC after Family Hour to let
us know how the cliffhanger was going to be resolved (the baby was one of
L&C's descendents from the future).  TPTB did not know that Teri was
pregnant when it was planned that way, so they did not plan on making Lois
pregnant.

My feeling is that if we did get a fifth season, things would have changed
dramatically when TPTB officially found out Teri was pregnant.  I'm certain
they would have written in the pregnancy into the show, and the logical
storyline (to me at least) is that the baby would have still been L&C's
baby from the future, but when they tearfully give him (it was a boy,
according to Tim) back at the end of the arc, they find that the 3 month
old baby is from exactly 1 year in the future.  Unknown to them, Lois has
just conceived, and this is how they find out.

This was my suggestion for how the cliffhanger should end when I went on
IRC immediately after Family Hour.  Now doesn't that sound WAFFy?! :)

Kathy (they should have hired me ;))

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O.K. Here's my take on this subject.  Sorry for the delay but I wanted to
see
all four parts of the Kryptonian set to clarify my thoughts.

I agree that all the evidence points to Cash working alone after the
destroying of his troops. I also see Cash as something of a reincarnation of
Trask - the parallels in things they say are too obvious to miss. *But that
is
not the point.* For me the point and significance of these episodes is not
about an alien invasion of earth or even whether Clark, a Kryptonian by
birth,
should return to New Krypton.  It is about the character and morals of
Superman, the first superhero. (Encarta 1998) and Cash is a just a foil in
the
plot.

Superman is a moral individual who does not abuse his powers ("You're the
strongest man I know and you have such kindness in your eyes") because he
values LIFE, human or Kryptonian.  And Lois and Clark continues this
tradition.  In a time of so many TV and movies in which violent behavior is
the expedient way to solve problems and so many characters are
indiscriminantly (SP?) killed to advance a plot, I thank the producers and
writers for giving us such a "hero."

This particular set starts with Ching's final test of Superman.  Ching asks
Clark if he is willing to die to save not a "good" person but "the man who
tried to kill Olsen and White and a million residents of Metropolis."  And
because he is Superman "with the purest heart I've ever known," he jumps
through the Kryptonite force field to save Ching - this, not his powers, are
what make him "the one."

In the next episode, he tells Zara he has made a decision not to use his
powers to hurt or kill anyone. He defeats the Teez (sp?)but does not kill
him.
(Indeed, he never uses his powers against people; he only crushes guns and
ties criminals up then lets the law deal with them.  And he tries
desperately
to save Luthor in the second part of HOL after being nearly killed by him).

But he does agree to go to New Krypton to try to help these strangers (to
him)
in their struggle with Nor. He tries to find a solution to Nor's invasion
which will not involve the death of many individuals (Face it - he had
surprise on his side and the "palace" to work with. He probably could have
destroyed the force field and everyone in it after rescuing his parents if
he'd a mind to. But he doesn't take the easy, expedient way out like Cash
does)

Finally, he personally battles Nor to save both Earth and New Krypton and
wins
using his Kryptonian battle heritage. (The look on Nor's face in this scene
is
a great touch)  He wins but he still doesn't kill!  What's more he then
tries
to save Nor from the Kryptonite again risking his life for a criminal.
Because
that is the sort of person he is.

Yes, I know, the Kryptonians then pull a fast one on him and are killed by
the
Kryptonite gas.  But don't you think he could have found another solution if
Cash hadn't stepped in - without orders - and shot to kill? The regard he
holds LIFE in is why Superman was and still is the greatest superhero.

A little aside before I close so you can see where I'm coming from. Many
years
ago when I was young and first reading Superman comics (1940s-1950s - there
now you know), I read one story which lingers in my mind and still disturbs
me.  I remember almost nothing about the plot but this: during the story a
minor criminal discovers Superman's secret identity and threatens to tell
the
world unless Superman lets him go.  Instead he flies him to the Arctic and
sets him down on a glacier far from anyone or anything.  The criminal says
"don't leave me here, I will die without food and shelter" but Superman
simply
flies off.  I was horrified!  This is not the act of the moral Superman that
we can admire and point out as an example for our children and ourselves.
And
it was not long afterward that I stopped reading the comics for a long time.

In a world where expediency seems to make right and the only justification
for
anything is money (or in TV ratings), I am grateful that the producers of
LNC
made a show with a moral, decent, and thoroughly likeable superhero who does
not compromise his values. I think this is one of the things that make LNC
not
just good but *great" Television.

Charlotte
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In message <l03130302b1e63c72c1bc@[209.44.28.93]>, Kathy Brown
<kbrown@WEBMART.NET> writes

>My feeling is that if we did get a fifth season, things would have changed
>dramatically when TPTB officially found out Teri was pregnant.  I'm certain
>they would have written in the pregnancy into the show, and the logical
>storyline (to me at least) is that the baby would have still been L&C's
>baby from the future, but when they tearfully give him (it was a boy,
>according to Tim) back at the end of the arc, they find that the 3 month
>old baby is from exactly 1 year in the future.  Unknown to them, Lois has
>just conceived, and this is how they find out.
>

Ahh, that is a nice storyline .. is there a story that follows this? If
not then maybe you should write it Kathy :-)

>This was my suggestion for how the cliffhanger should end when I went on
>IRC immediately after Family Hour.  Now doesn't that sound WAFFy?! :)

Yup .. but that's cool!!! The WAFFy-ier the better I say!! I'm actually
working on *my* sequel to Family Hour .. I'm not sure it's going to turn
out like that, slightly differently and I hope it's going to be good ..
I'm going to go with the flow. Watch out for it ;-D

>
>Kathy (they should have hired me ;))
>

Most definately!!! ;-))

Bye

Angee.
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The Fifth Season Series were enjoyable, but will the groups be doing a Sixth
Season?  I'm sure I'm not the only FOLC who would like to see L&C return
next
season for more adventures and hijinks.

Mark
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Angee wrote:

>I hope I'm not out of line by posting a couple of my fan fictions on the
>list ....
>
>Sorry again if this is not really allowed but I need 'expert' opinions
>on these stories .. <snip> I wouldn't post it on the list if I didn't need
>the feedback

Angee, you aren't at all out of line.  This is exactly what this listserv
was created for, to give people a place to post and discuss fanfic.  You
are right on the mark, and good for you for writing and posting for
comments.  I hope you get some helpful feedback. :)

Kathy (who hasn't read the story herself yet, but I'm sure many of the
other 300 people on the list have. :))

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Angee-
I read both of your fanfics and I really enjoyed them very much! Keep
writing.
I hope to read some more of your work soon.

-Audrey Howard
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At 7:54 PM +0100 7/30/98, Angee Chaudhry wrote:

>Ahh, that is a nice storyline .. is there a story that follows this? If
>not then maybe you should write it Kathy :-)

LOL, yeah, as soon as I finish those 6 other stories I have started.  Just
don't tell Demi I'm looking for new material.  Uh oh, here she comes now.
Eek.  Gotta run!!

Kathy ;)

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At 6:22 PM -0400 7/30/98, Mark Safransky wrote:
>The Fifth Season Series were enjoyable, but will the groups be doing a
Sixth
>Season?  I'm sure I'm not the only FOLC who would like to see L&C return
next
>season for more adventures and hijinks.

Pam J and I are coordinating an S6 that picks up where S5 left off.  We
have some overlap with the S5 project; I'd say about half S5 writers and
half new ones.

We are only doing a partial season, however.  We will probably write
between 9 and 11 episodes, spread out over 9 months or so.  There will be
more info posted to this listserv when we get closer to our premiere date.
:)

Kathy

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At 10:09 PM +0100 7/25/98, Angee Chaudhry wrote:

>Just out of interest ... did Clark ever live on Main Street? I don't
>remember that.

Nope, Clark lived at 344 Clinton Street, then he and Lois bought the
townhouse on Hyperion Avenue.

Anyone know what Lois's address was? <g>

1058 Carter Avenue (which Lois revealed to Starr under hypnotism) but this
was not the number that was on the building when Scardino and Lois meet on
her stoop in WWW. That number was 320.

>Also I was wondering if there was a list of basic facts about Lois and
>Clark .. you know address, birthdays and other little information that
>would useful as a point of reference when writing fan fiction!!

No, I don't have that good of a memory -- the above information (about
Lois; I already knew Clark's address by heart <g>) I gleamed from the old
Metropolis Club Fact Sheets. They were lists of information assembled by
the officers of that club (now defunct).  I have no idea if they are
available on the web anymore, since Leigh took her pages down, last I
heard.  These were incredibly detailed, however, and are a wonderful
resource for these little details.

Zoomway is also coordinating her own "Compendium" project that lists all
sorts of information gathered from the 88 eps of L&C.  The project has not
been completed yet, but what has been done is on Zoom's site:

<http://actwd.com/zoomway/zoom2.htm>

Oh, but to answer your other question -- Clark's birthday is February 28,
1966 (Never On Sunday), and he was found by his parents on May 17, 1966.
Lois was born in late September or early October 1967.  We don't know the
date, only that she is a Libra (Contact).  The year was written on her
tombstone in Tempus,Anyone.

And all that was from memory.  Not a fact sheet in sight. <g>

Hope this helps!

Kathy

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Kathy Brown wrote:

> At 6:22 PM -0400 7/30/98, Mark Safransky wrote:
> >The Fifth Season Series were enjoyable, but will the groups be doing a
Sixth
> >Season?  I'm sure I'm not the only FOLC who would like to see L&C return
next
> >season for more adventures and hijinks.
>
> Pam J and I are coordinating an S6 that picks up where S5 left off.  We
> have some overlap with the S5 project; I'd say about half S5 writers and
> half new ones.
>
> We are only doing a partial season, however.  We will probably write
> between 9 and 11 episodes, spread out over 9 months or so.  There will be
> more info posted to this listserv when we get closer to our premiere date.

Oh Kathy, why the abbreviated 6th season?  Please don't tell me you've been
taking
leasons from the executives at ABC? Horrors!!!  Actually, I can see where
this
project can really take time from your busy lives.  I am glad to see we can
look
forward to more great fanfic episodes in the future.

BTW, is Pam ever going to write anymore Pres Kent stories?  I loved them and
wanted to see what happened since Keith found out Clark was Superman.

Mark
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At 1:11 AM -0400 7/31/98, Mark Safransky wrote:

>Oh Kathy, why the abbreviated 6th season?  Please don't tell me you've
>been taking
>leasons from the executives at ABC? Horrors!!!

Hey, don't go insulting us or you might not get any. <bg>

> Actually, I can see where this
>project can really take time from your busy lives.

Yes, that is it exactly.  We have too much on our plates already.  For me,
the Archive is a big time commitment (a labor of love, though :)), plus
trying to write my own fanfic, and keeping up with various listservs and
private email.   Pam has her own fanfic and email commitments, not to
mention we both are raising young children, maintaining households, and
nursing a serious IRC addiction ;)

There is a huge amount of work that goes into coordinating a project like
this.  I don't think anyone can possibly understand unless they've done it,
or at least been heavily involved.  I give Leanne a ton of credit for
keeping S5 on track.  I also know that I couldn't give enough of my time or
attention to a full S6 without either dropping all my other projects,
getting a divorce, or going insane. <g>

So, I decided right up front that I would rather have this project turn out
11 (or less, if that is necessary) high quality episodes than scramble for
22, and be so stressed-out over the project that it wasn't fun.  So, we
decided that this project would be fun. :)

Eleven is better than nothing, after all. ;)

Kathy

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:53:23 EDT
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From:         Frances Coogan <FCoogan106@AOL.COM>
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In a message dated 31/07/98 04:37:22 GMT, you write:

<< Lois was born in late September or early October 1967.  We don't know the
 date, only that she is a Libra (Contact).  The year was written on her
 tombstone in Tempus,Anyone. >>

Unless of course you believe the Pilot, where she was 26.  We know that was
set in April/early May 1993 from Super Mann, 2 years later, and so to fit in
with the Libra part, she must have been born in 1966!

Frances
(still spotting continuity errors and cringing every time)
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Has anyone else heard about this?  Is this a real movie?  I ran across
the script while I was searching for a Titanic one.

Go here to see what I mean:  http://www.script-o-rama.com/table.shtml
(if that link don't work, get rid of the "s" in "shtml"..)  Scroll down
to u get to the script link entitled Superman Lives.  Or you can go
directly to the the script with this one, I think:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/8657/homer-th.txt

Anyway, thanks for your help!
--cc aka Jodi--
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
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In message <l03130303b1e6f400d42e@[209.44.28.75]>, Kathy Brown
<kbrown@WEBMART.NET> writes
>At 7:54 PM +0100 7/30/98, Angee Chaudhry wrote:
>
>>Ahh, that is a nice storyline .. is there a story that follows this? If
>>not then maybe you should write it Kathy :-)
>
>LOL, yeah, as soon as I finish those 6 other stories I have started.  Just
>don't tell Demi I'm looking for new material.  Uh oh, here she comes now.
>Eek.  Gotta run!!

Oops put my foot in it ... ha ha. Good luck with the other 6 - hope to
read 'em sometime ...

Angee.
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Fanfic: "Touch and Go"
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In message <d043b63a.35c11741@aol.com>, -Audrey Howard
<Moped12646@AOL.COM> writes
>Angee-
>I read both of your fanfics and I really enjoyed them very much! Keep
writing.
>I hope to read some more of your work soon.
>
>-Audrey Howard

Thanks Audrey ...

I've just started my third .. look out for it .. "Destiny's Child" and I
just wanted to say to everyone who screened my stories <bg> .. thank you
and I appreciate all your comments .. I'll do my best to apply it to my
third one and check it properly with you guys BEFORE I post it ... ha
ha..

Angee.
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:23:10 +0100
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Clark Kent's resume
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Thanks for the info Kathy,

And I think I'll check out Zoomway's site and see if I can view what has
been completed so far :-)

>
>
>Oh, but to answer your other question -- Clark's birthday is February 28,
>1966 (Never On Sunday), and he was found by his parents on May 17, 1966.
>Lois was born in late September or early October 1967.  We don't know the
>date, only that she is a Libra (Contact).  The year was written on her
>tombstone in Tempus,Anyone.
>
>And all that was from memory.  Not a fact sheet in sight. <g>

Not bad ... I'm quite impressed .... Although I've never really thought
about the year in which Lois was born ... I remember Clark being found
though .... from Tempus Fugitive .. my memory isn't so good either!!
<bg>

>
>
>Hope this helps!
>

It does,

Thanks again Kathy!!

Angee.
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In message <l03130301b1e6ac1ff451@[209.44.28.93]>, Kathy Brown
<kbrown@WEBMART.NET> writes

>
>Angee, you aren't at all out of line.  This is exactly what this listserv
>was created for, to give people a place to post and discuss fanfic.  You
>are right on the mark, and good for you for writing and posting for
>comments.  I hope you get some helpful feedback. :)
>

Phew .. that's a relief ;-D

>Kathy (who hasn't read the story herself yet, but I'm sure many of the
>other 300 people on the list have. :))

Ah well ... I won't hold it against ya .. :-)

Angee
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In message <l03130305b1e6f7088a4c@[209.44.28.75]>, Kathy Brown
<kbrown@WEBMART.NET> writes

>Zoomway is also coordinating her own "Compendium" project that lists all
>sorts of information gathered from the 88 eps of L&C.  The project has not
>been completed yet, but what has been done is on Zoom's site:
>
><http://actwd.com/zoomway/zoom2.htm>

I am trying to get through to this page right now but I'm having a hard
time getting through to it ... I thought it might be my computer but
other pages are coming up fine .....

Is the page up and running?

Is it possible if someone could send me a copy of that page?

I could really use it right now :-)

Thanks,

Angee
Lois: What do you think I am .. galactically stupid?

- Tempus Fugitive.
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That sounds great.  I really enjoyed the S5 season and I'm looking forward
to additional episodes.  They are so much fun to read.

Melody

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Brown [mailto:kbrown@WEBMART.NET]
Sent: Thursday, 30 July, 1998 11:20 PM
To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
Subject: Re: Fanfic Fifth Seasons

At 6:22 PM -0400 7/30/98, Mark Safransky wrote:
>The Fifth Season Series were enjoyable, but will the groups be doing a
Sixth
>Season?  I'm sure I'm not the only FOLC who would like to see L&C return
next
>season for more adventures and hijinks.

Pam J and I are coordinating an S6 that picks up where S5 left off.  We
have some overlap with the S5 project; I'd say about half S5 writers and
half new ones.

We are only doing a partial season, however.  We will probably write
between 9 and 11 episodes, spread out over 9 months or so.  There will be
more info posted to this listserv when we get closer to our premiere date.
:)

Kathy

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:20:04 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-31 08:47:31 EDT, you write:

<< ><http://actwd.com/zoomway/zoom2.htm>

 I am trying to get through to this page right now but I'm having a hard
 time getting through to it ... I thought it might be my computer but
 other pages are coming up fine .....
  >>

try putting www. in front of actwd.com ;)  Kathy asked me about the site
last
night and I left out the www part<g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:34:09 -0500
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From:         Elizabeth Eve Davis <eed2@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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I don't know how many realize it, but as I just heard on the radio, Dean
Cain is 32 today.
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From:         Jon Neil <jnc57@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Episode Thoughts: Very Long Post

<<<I for one would not like to see another ep with Baron
Sunday, either on TV or in 'Season 6' - I absolutely
*loathed* the character, <<<

I totally agree. I am strongly opposed to the episodes that contained
occultic influencenes, ghosts, druids,  or voodoo etc.. I really did not
like NOAS and I didn't like the character Baron Sunday at all.
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From:         Jenny Stosser <jenerate@OZRAMP.NET.AU>
Subject:      what would you do with a time machine? (was: Re: On Only
Children
              and Transcending Time)
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At 09:21 PM 29/07/98 -0400, Sandy McDermin wrote:
<biiiiiig snip>
>Ah, this is easy.  I'd go to the past and play the stock market ;).  I'd
>find gold in California.  I'd buy cheap land out west and will it to
>myself.  I'd "invent" liquid paper.  I'd travel to France and buy
>paintings from those French before they became *really* Impressive.;)
>In other words, I'd follow the money.

My grandmother always said "Go where the money is... and marry for love".
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In a message dated 98-07-31 14:44:54 EDT, you write:

<< I totally agree. I am strongly opposed to the episodes that contained
 occultic influencenes, ghosts, druids,  or voodoo etc.. I really did not
 like NOAS and I didn't like the character Baron Sunday at all.
  >>

I admit I'm one of the minority (even among minorities it's a minority ;)
who
liked Baron Sunday.  Then again, I'm part of the minority who is a fan of
the
Superman comics, and Baron Sunday like Metallo, Mxyzptlk, Prankster,etc.
comes
from the comics.  One reason supernatural villains were occasionally used is
because with a hero as strong and invulnerable as Superman, the writers
(whether of the comics or the series) had to come up with something besides
Kryptonite or super powered villains to create a true challenge, so they
made
Superman susceptible to the supernatural.   Truthfully though, I'd have
minimized that aspect of the Superman legend on the TV series because very
few
of Superman's villains (supernatural or not) lent themselves to humor.  It's
why Tempus and Mindy Church, both created for the series, spoke better to
the
tone and spirit of the show.  I know TPTB had to also try and please the
comic
book constituency, but since the comics were fairly contemptuous of the
series, I'd have told them to 'stick it' anyway ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (I'm sending this also to LOISCLA since this seems more in
keeping with the discussion list, and it's working .... for the time being
;)
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From:         "Eileen F. Ray" <Eraygun@AOL.COM>
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Hi everyone,

In keeping with Zoomway's suggestion this is just a brief note letting
everyone know our story premise for this week's IRC Round Robin fanfic
writing
session,  so here goes ;).

This week Mxy is back to torment Lois and Clark by revealing Clark's
identity
to the entire world!  So it the idea of exploring this scenario appeals to
you
feel free to join us on Saturday afternoon :).  And if you want or need more
details just email me privately.

Cheers,

Eileen
Eraygun@aol.com
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:52:53 +0100
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Dean's Birthday
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In message <35C1F201.34516C73@ra.msstate.edu>, Elizabeth Eve Davis
<eed2@RA.MSSTATE.EDU> writes
>I don't know how many realize it, but as I just heard on the radio, Dean
>Cain is 32 today.

I most definately realised it .... (also because it's my cats' 9th
birthday today too!!!! <bg>)  ... and Jim corr's birthday .. he's from
the band the Corrs (I mention that because my sister will kill me
otherwise!!! ;-D)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAN!!!!

Angee.

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In message <4dbaf249.35c1eeb6@aol.com>, The Zoomway <Zoomway@AOL.COM>
writes
>In a message dated 98-07-31 08:47:31 EDT, you write:
>
><< ><http://actwd.com/zoomway/zoom2.htm>
>
>
> I am trying to get through to this page right now but I'm having a hard
> time getting through to it ... I thought it might be my computer but
> other pages are coming up fine .....
>  >>
>
>try putting www. in front of actwd.com ;)  Kathy asked me about the site
last
>night and I left out the www part<g>
>

Oh yeah, right,

Thanks Zoom ... duh!! I didn't even realise the www was missing, if I
had I would have put it in .. I'm so dopey lately .. all the early
morning working at 7am ... I finally got through though and I must say
it's a brilliant page ..... I can't believe it escaped me for so long ..
<bg>

Angee
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
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I saw this episode today I remember when Perry comes up with the
headline "Super Feat equals Super Heat"? Well when he *said* that I
thought he meant Super FEET .. but when I saw t he headline as held by
Lex Luthor <g> .. it said "Feat" .. now is that a play on words or was
it a mistake?

I'm not sure ... what does everyone else think?

Angee.
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Subject:      Did Sky miss out an episode?
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Ok .. I watched Lois and Clark yesterday on Sky 1 and it was "Smart
Kids" and today it was "Man of Steel Bars" ...

Now somebody please tell me I'm wrong and that I didn't miss a day
('cause I don't think I did) but it seems to me that Sky has missed out
"The Green, Green Glow of Home".

Has anyone else noticed this? I hope someone can tell me that I'm wrong
and why I'm wrong <bg>

It's just that if I am right then that means they are missing out the
occasional episode .. I'd hate that especially if they miss out episodes
that I am missing .. 4 out of season 2 ... fingers, legs and eyes
crossed that this isn't so ... :-(

Now I'm in turmoil ....

Angee.
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In a message dated 31/07/98 22:55:01 GMT, Angee writes:

<< it seems to me that Sky has missed out
"The Green, Green Glow of Home".
Has anyone else noticed this? I hope someone can tell me that I'm wrong
and why I'm wrong <bg> >>

Well, you'll be pleased to know you're wrong <g>, because Sky showed GGGoH
after the other Trask episode.  I hope that ends the turmoil for you!

<< I saw this episode today I remember when Perry comes up with the
 headline "Super Feat equals Super Heat"? Well when he *said* that I
 thought he meant Super FEET .. but when I saw t he headline as held by
 Lex Luthor <g> .. it said "Feat" .. now is that a play on words or was
 it a mistake? >>

I never interpreted this as "feet" - always "feat".  Not quite sure where
the
feet idea comes from, but it's always amusing when people come up with
different versions.  (I had a friend at school who was sure an Abba song
mentioned a "walnut" until I assured her the word was "woman"<g>.  -  Almost
as bad as when I heard a line in Paul McCartney's No More Lonely Nights as
"It's all the same as meatloaf" instead of "It's all the same to me, love"!)

Frances
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In message <e2ca51b6.35c24de7@aol.com>, Frances Coogan
<FCoogan106@AOL.COM> writes

>
>Well, you'll be pleased to know you're wrong <g>, because Sky showed GGGoH
>after the other Trask episode.  I hope that ends the turmoil for you!
>

Boy do I feel GOOD .. ha ha ... and it sort of makes sense as well to
put it after "Strange Visitor" .. (that was what they put it after
didn't they?) SV was the first Trask appearance .. I'm making an
educated LNC guess <bg>. Thanks Frances, you've put my mind at rest. Now
I can sleep tonight.

>
>I never interpreted this as "feet" - always "feat".

You'll have to excuse my ignorance .. it's just that Feat is not a word
that comes up often for me but I know know what it means but you gotta
admit .. 'Feet' did make a *bit* of sense didn't it? Although 'Feat'
does make more sense to me now <big embarrassed grin> Well I guess you
live and learn <lol>

>Not quite sure where the
>feet idea comes from,

Well ok .. let me explain and see if you can follow me ...

Feet = Speed (Superman runs and sprints here and there)

Speed = Heat (In so much as the use of his feet means he uses up energy
of which supposedly caused the heat)

Does my logic make any sense or am I officially warped .. <lol>

>but it's always amusing when people come up with
>different versions.

That's what makes life so interesting <bg>

>(I had a friend at school who was sure an Abba song
>mentioned a "walnut" until I assured her the word was "woman"<g>.

Ok .. walnut ... ha ha ... I like that .. the next time I go out dancing
and that Abba song is on I'm going to sing Walnut .... :-D

>-  Almost
>as bad as when I heard a line in Paul McCartney's No More Lonely Nights as
>"It's all the same as meatloaf" instead of "It's all the same to me,
love"!)

Ok .. now *that* is classic ... now I don't feel so bad about my mistake
... <lol>

Angee
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At 07:25 PM 7/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>  Even in Ordinary People, he's reading Men
>> are from Mars Woman are from Venus
> When in the episode does this happen?
>

When Lois and Clark are on the beach; Lois is napping on Clark's
shoulder and he is reading the book, then the tiger comes out.

Gary
"The tiger ran away?"

I also noticed that the book is visible in the still from OP
inside the booklet on the L&C soundtrack. (It is on the sand
beneath the lounge chair.)
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At 12:25 AM 8/1/98 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>Not quite sure where the
>>feet idea comes from,
>
>Well ok .. let me explain and see if you can follow me ...
>
>Feet = Speed (Superman runs and sprints here and there)
>

You're thinking of The Flash, he runs at superspeed.

Superman flies at superspeed.
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Jon Neil wrote:

> <<<I for one would not like to see another ep with Baron
> Sunday, either on TV or in 'Season 6' - I absolutely
> *loathed* the character, <<<
>
> I totally agree. I am strongly opposed to the episodes that contained
> occultic influencenes, ghosts, druids,  or voodoo etc.. I really did not
> like NOAS and I didn't like the character Baron Sunday at all.

I didn't care much for the episode, but I believe that was because the
writing was
sub-par.  Not that the occult influences were to blame.  Heck, the ghost
episode
with Drew and Kathy was interesting, if just a pathetic attempt to boost
ratings.
They never really did a good occult episode.

X-Lander

EARTH FIRST!  We can strip mine the other planets later.
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At 03:43 PM 7/25/98 -0500, Lisa R. wrote:

[snip most of interesting post]

>I wondered....what exactly was on Clark's resume besides being editor for
>the Smallville Press.  I'm assuming that Clark's sojourn to Jamaica was on
>there as well (the illegal arms story from Baron Sunday).  But what else?
>His porfolio had the story about the "Mating Habits of the Knob-Tailed
>Gecko", but what did his RESUME have to offer?
>
>Does anyone know of a fanfic that has addressed this issue even in
>passing?

Good question--and good fodder for fanfic. I addressed the Gecko and the
"Borneo Gazette" issue in, I think, Dawning 2, showing that if Perry had
looked a little further he might have found Clark to be a more interesting
person...

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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At 08:55 PM 7/28/98 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-27 22:46:23 EDT, you write:
>
><< Granted he has a lot of advantages, but his natural
> attitude is to be frugal, which is to be expected from the son of a
farmer.
>>>
>
>Sooooo.... since he can take a lump of coal and turn it into a diamond, is
it
>just trying to live like a human being without super powers that's keeping
him
>poor.... er, financially challenged?
>Marie

Maybe even though he could make rough diamonds through super pressure, he
doesn't know how to explain to a legal diamond cutter (as opposed to the
ones employed by criminal king pins) and to the IRS (soon to be laid low by
the mighty Y2k) how he got it. If they both accept his explanation ("Would
you believe that Superman gave it to me...?") the gift taxes would probably
break him.

On the other hand, he seemed to have no trouble purchasing fine suits. I
don't blame him for this, CK had a public job talking to public people. As
I would like to have seen more of Clark's (not Supes's) charitable side,
though, I write it into my stories.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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> At 08:55 PM 7/28/98 -0400, Debby Stark  wrote:
>
> Maybe even though he could make rough diamonds through super pressure, he
> doesn't know how to explain to a legal diamond cutter (as opposed to the
> ones employed by criminal king pins) and to the IRS (soon to be laid low
by
> the mighty Y2k) how he got it. If they both accept his explanation ("Would
> you believe that Superman gave it to me...?") the gift taxes would
probably
> break him.

Interesting point.....Does Superman pay income tax?  He doesn't have
"income" per se, therefore there is no taxability.  So where did *he*
get the diamond from?

If he makes it from a lump of coal, there is no taxability, because
that is a result of his abilitiies, the same way an artist who
sculpts has no income tax based on his creation of the work.  It is
only when it is *sold* that there is taxable income.  Technically,
Superman would just be "creating".....

Clark, if he got a diamond from Superman, would not have to pay the
gift tax.  1) Anybody is allowed to give anybody up to $10K per year,
or up to $50K lifetime, without having to pay gift tax.  (those
amounts may have gone up recently, and I don't have my tax books
handy).  The idea that the *donor* has to pay the tax (which isn't
that high) is because IRS presumes they are trying to give stuff away
to avoid taxes.

The *recipient* does NOT have to pay taxes on the gift.  Of course,
if the gift earns them money (like someone gives you $10,000 and it
earns $3000 worth of interest inthe bank, you have to pay income tax
on the $3000), then they have to pay tax on the difference between
the Fair Market Value at the time of the gift and what they sell it
for.

So if Supe gave Clark a diamond that Supe had made from the lump of
coal, Supe would have no Gift Tax because he created it, and Clark
would have no income tax because he is the recipient.  And if he sold
it to a diamond dealer/collector within a relatively brief period of
time (probably under 60 days; IRS likes that figure), there would be
no "gain", becuase the diamond had not had time to appreciate.

Clark (and by extension, Lois)  could live quite comfortably on
Superman's "gifts".

I'm not an IRS agent, but I *have* worked for H&R Block for 23 years
- and I'm not an expert on gift taxes, but I've done enough of them
to have a fairly good handle on this......

Barbara
who wishes she had *some* share of that $296 million----I'd have
gladly paid the taxes!

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At 2:53 AM -0400 7/31/98, Frances Coogan wrote:
>In a message dated 31/07/98 04:37:22 GMT, you write:
>
><< Lois was born in late September or early October 1967.  We don't know
the
> date, only that she is a Libra (Contact).  The year was written on her
> tombstone in Tempus,Anyone. >>
>
>Unless of course you believe the Pilot, where she was 26.

The US Pilot cut that scene, however.  No one in the US hears that Lois is
26, unless they are FoLCs who get the UK version of the pilot from their
online buddies. <g>

  We know that was
>set in April/early May 1993 from Super Mann, 2 years later, and so to fit
in
>with the Libra part, she must have been born in 1966!

Good one!  Hadn't noticed that one before.

But the "reset" to May from Sept actually solves more continuity problems
than it causes.  My favorite is explaining why Smallville was having a Corn
Fesitival in GGGoH in October.  Harvest time is in July! Why wasn't it a
wheat festival??  But with SuperMann, we now know.  If the Pilot was in
May, then GGGoH was in July and all is right with the world.  Well, until
the next time. <g>

>Frances
>(still spotting continuity errors and cringing every time)

Oh, I don't cringe! I love this stuff.  This is what makes it fun to be a
FoLC, noticing all these things.  I don't get upset; I enjoy identifying
all these little details! :)  Fun, fun!

Kathy

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