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Sharon L. Gilbert wrote:
>
> I've read Full Circle but I don't think I know Full Circle: A New Day.  Is
> that a different story and, if it is, where can I get it?

"Full Circle : A New Day" by the TUFS writers *is* a different story
from J.C. Wimmer's "Full Circle."

Currently, it's available at my website <http://www.erols.com/nightsky>
as a text file; at the TUFS website
<http://members.aol.com/thenando/tufs.htm> as two html files, and from
the archives of this mailing list
<http://listserv.indiana.edu/archives/loiscla-general-l.html> as fifteen
little parts.

Let me take this opportunity to warn anyone who downloaded it from the
TUFS website that you may not have the full text of the story.  Somehow
a draft version was put up there for a couple of weeks.  If you don't
have the "authors' notes" at the end, you didn't get the final version.
We fixed up some typos for the final version, as well as including a
short (but great!) scene about Star by Beth Washington.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
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Hey y'all!!

 salymc <salymc@GATEWAY.NET> writes

>
>Unless we are all on the East coast, what I suggest we do is decide on a
day
>and a time (of course) that incorporates all the time zones within a
>reasonable range.

That's a good point because I am in the UK which is 5 hours ahead of you
on the East Cost .. or something like that .. I'm not too good at time
differences myself either :-) .. I don't know how many others are from
the UK but I know that it probably would prove to be difficult to try
and jugle all of us .. some from the East Coast and others from the UK
as well as trying not to interfer with normal L&C chat .. therefore, I
am perfectly happy to have a log of what happened but would like to be
there in person (so to speak) .. but if this DOES prove to be difficult
then I guess it will have to be centred around the US time (or won't
it?)

>Laurie will be away from the 29th to the 5th, so we could try the weekend
of
>the July 25th, the weekend of the August 8th, or a weeknight in between --
>No weekdays, please.  Can't do.  (How's that for narrowing it down; okay
I'm
>hopelessly indecisive. ; )
>

So far the July 25th and August 8th are good for me .. anyone else?
Weekdays are out for me too :-) .. but then again when aren't they ..
life stops for no man!!! Or woman!!! :-D

>Once the logistics are ironed out (I forsee many wrinkles<g>), we should
>probably come prepared with questions so we don't waste our time,
>spitballing or passing love notes. (None of you ladies are my type anyway.)
>I also suggest that we ask the simplest of questions as well as the more
>difficult ones -- even if we already know the answers -- so that this
>session will be all inclusive.  In other words, I want to *re*-ask the
>questions I posed to Beppo when I first jumped in without checking the
water
>line.<g>.  I'm sure she got a real chuckle out of this classic:
>
>"Um ... how do I leave?"

Ha ha .. ah bless ya!!!! But the questions thing is also a good iea ...
I'll certainly come prepared should I be able to make it .. Finger's
crossed!!!

Hope to hear more at a later date ...

C'ya!!

Angee
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Hi all

I know we're not supposed to do 'me too' posts, but..... me too!!  I've
been on IRC a few times, but sounds are beyond me!  July 25th is good for
me.. anytime!

Linzy

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<< Unless we are all on the East coast, what I suggest we do is decide on a
day
and a time (of course) that incorporates all the time zones within a
reasonable
range. >>

I am on the East coast, but it seems that there are at least a few UK folcs
who
want to take part, too. I'm not sure the time difference- but someone
suggested
it might be 5 hrs, and, as long as we start early enough at night, that
should
be okay.

<< Laurie will be away from the 29th to the 5th, so we could try the weekend
of
the July 25th, the weekend of the August 8th, or a weeknight in between --
No
weekdays, please.  Can't do.  (How's that for narrowing it down; okay I'm
hopelessly indecisive. ; ) >>

July 25th would be best for me, though I could probably do August 5th as
well.

Also, after collecting everyone who wants to be involved, we should probably
move our Learning to IRC plans to private e-mail. Probably all of the
old-time
IRCers will soon be getting a little tired of our plans, if they're not
already. :)

-Christy
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
 Attalanta on IRC
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<< Unless we are all on the East coast, what I suggest we do is decide on a
day
and a time (of course) that incorporates all the time zones within a
reasonable
range. >>

>>I am on the East coast, but it seems that there are at least a few UK
folcs who
want to take part, too. I'm not sure the time difference- but someone
suggested
it might be 5 hrs, and, as long as we start early enough at night, that
should
be okay.<<

We could even start in the afternoon -- a Sunday, if the roundrobin writers
work on Saturday.

<< Laurie will be away from the 29th to the 5th, so we could try the
weekend of
the July 25th, the weekend of the August 8th, or a weeknight in between --
No
weekdays, please.  Can't do.  (How's that for narrowing it down; okay I'm
hopelessly indecisive. ; ) >>

>>July 25th would be best for me, though I could probably do August 5th as
well.

Also, after collecting everyone who wants to be involved, we should
probably
move our Learning to IRC plans to private e-mail. Probably all of the
old-time
IRCers will soon be getting a little tired of our plans, if they're not
already. :)<<

I agree with you wholeheartedly.  I just wanted to leave this out there for
a little bit longer so that -- at least -- people on this list will know
about it and join in.  As for the old-timers, I would love it if one or two
more would e-mail me and offer to help.  I don't know if Annie wants to be
barraged with questions all by her lonesome.  (I haven't heard back from
her -- maybe I've scared her off ; )  In any case, I'm keeping my eyes
peeled for those who have expressed an interest and will move this to
private e-mail very shortly.

Anyway, I'm happy for the company.  I thought I was the only one who needed
help here, and I was really reluctant to ask for it under the
circumstances.

Sandy
salymc@gateway.net
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I would definitely be interested in learning... Inform me as to when
to be there, and I shall be!!!

==
Christopher Kiraly - Da Krazman - Dane Spellbinder

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In a message dated 98-07-22 08:34:58 EDT, angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK
writes:

<< So far the July 25th and August 8th are good for me .. anyone else? >>

Well, my trip is likely to be extended. :( So I'd prefer July 25 just in
case... (I can probably put off leaving till after that since my car is
getting a major repair Friday morning that I can't take this trip without.)

--Laurie
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Hi gang!

Well, I'm finally ready to take the fanfic plunge.  Below is a recently
completed Lois and Clark short story that I wrote.  It's entitled Together
and deals with infertility in a realistic manner.  Anyone who feels
uncomfortable with the subject matter probably should not read this.

The subject hits very close to home for me as my husband and I are dealing
with the agony of infertility at this time in our lives.  Writing this
story has been a kind of therapy for me and I hope that it is enjoyable for
you.  Let me know what you think.

Gina
Loisrae on IRC
mailto:ginachar@hit.net

Together
By Gina Jones (Loisrae)
July 22, 1998

*****

"I don't normally do things like this." Lois thought to herself.  She sat
back in her chair and stared out at the crowded room.  The noise somehow
comforted her -- soothed her restless mind.  It was as if the craziness of
her day was somehow muted in comparison to the bustling activity of the
bar.

Lois smiled to herself, "If Clark could see me now." She mused.  "He
wouldn't believe that I was here."

Why WAS she here?  The day had started out normally enough.  She had
awakened to the smell of bacon frying and coffee brewing.  Her husband had
gotten up before her, as usual.  She had never been a morning person like
he was and that was fine with her.  Lois actually liked the fact that she
could count on Clark to look after her.

The table was set when she entered the kitchen.  Clark looked up from the
sink and smiled at her.  Lois loved his smile.  It sent shivers down her
spine each time she saw it and it always gave her a warm and fuzzy feeling
inside.

"Great! You're up." Clark said.  "I was just going to call you."

"Breakfast looks great, honey."  Lois responded.  "And you don't look too
bad either." She grinned.

He smiled again and kissed her.  Lois held on to Clark's embrace as long as
she could.  Unfortunately, the telephone rang.

"Hello?" Lois answered, somewhat sheepishly.  She knew it was foolish, but
she felt like a schoolgirl that had just been caught with a boy, behind the
back yard shed.

"Oh, yes!" Lois exclaimed as she listened to the caller's voice. "Thank you
for calling, I had forgotten.  I'll be there."

Lois hung up the phone and turned to face her husband. "Who was that?"
Clark asked.

"Oh." Lois responded almost too quickly.  Clark grimaced and she knew she
had been caught.  "Just a contact I met yesterday." She lied.  "I forgot I
said I would meet him this morning."

"What about?" Clark asked.

"Just that story I am working on." Lois lied again.  "I had better be
going, though, or I'm going to be late."

Lois hated herself for lying to Clark.  She hastily grabbed some bacon and
wrapped it in toast as she walked toward the door.  "I'll see you at work
later.  Will you tell Perry I'll be late?"

"Sure, honey.  It's no problem.  Maybe we can have lunch together?" Clark
asked, hopefully.

"I'll be there." Lois grinned.  "Meet me at O'Kelley's at one o'clock
okay?"

"Okay." Clark answered, as he leaned down for a kiss.  He grinned again as
she closed the door behind her.

Lois hurriedly went to her Jeep.  Once inside she felt like crying.  She
really was upset at having to lie to Clark about the phone call.

"Oh, well." She thought to herself.  "It's done and nothing can change that
now.  I'll be able to tell him the truth later." She sighed, and pulled out
into the morning, Metropolis traffic.

*****

An hour later, Lois was sitting in her doctor's office.  She had already
been there for forty-five minutes and none of the six-month-old magazines
had interested her.  She had already memorized everything in the small
waiting area and was getting edgy.  She was just getting ready to leave out
of frustration when the nurse appeared.

"Lois Lane?"  The nurse inquired.  "We're ready for you now."

"Finally!" Lois huffed in her usual way.  Inside she was really wondering
how the woman would react if she suddenly ran out the door.

Five minutes later she was sitting in a very cool room, on a decidedly cold
table. "God! Why did they have to make me wear this backless, paper gown?"
Lois thought to herself.

Dr. Spelding entered the room with Lois' chart.  "Lois," he said, looking
at the chart. "I see you want to run some tests…"

*****

The waitress replaced Lois' empty glass with another.  Lois, lost in
thought, almost didn't notice her.  She nodded and barely acknowledged the
new drink.  She was re-living the events of earlier in the day.

"I see you and your husband are trying to have a baby." Dr. Spelding said.
"How long have you been trying?"

"About a year now," Lois responded.  "And the disappointment gets harder to
handle each month."

The Doctor looked at her and frowned in sympathy.  "Well, then." He
exclaimed. "Let's get started."

Lois felt as if she had been abducted and tortured by aliens when she left
the doctor's office.  "So many tests." She thought.  "And now, to top it
off, I have to wait all day before I get any answers."

It was almost one-thirty when Lois parked outside of O'Kelley's Restaurant.
 She hurriedly applied some lipstick and fixed her hair in the rear view
mirror.  As soon as she had locked the Jeep, she knew he was watching her.
Lois looked up into the concerned, brown eyes of her husband.

"Sorry I'm late, honey." She said.  "My contact was late and then the
information he gave me led me on a wild goose chase all morning."  Again,
the lies appeared almost effortlessly.  Lois began to worry that she would
never be able to dig herself out of this hole she was creating.

"It's okay." Clark reassured her.  "I just worry when I don't know where
you are.  Are you hungry?  I've got Blake holding our table for us."

Lunch was uneventful.  Clark explained the latest story he was working on,
and what plans he had to play basketball with some buddies the following
weekend, while Lois tried desperately to listen to him.  Her mind kept
wandering back to the doctor's office.

After lunch, both Lois and Clark returned to the Daily Planet.  Clark was
called away a short time later on "other business" and Lois was left to
ponder how she was going to tell him about her morning.  At four o'clock
her phone rang.

"Lois Lane." She answered on the second ring. "Yes.  Now?  I'll be right
there." She hung up and quickly wrote a note to her husband.

*****

"I'm not going to sugar coat it Ms. Lane." Dr. Spelding confided.  "It
doesn't look good."

Lois felt her world falling apart.  She placed her face in her hands as she
listened to the doctor.

"It seems that you are not ovulating on your own and that there may be some
scar tissue or endometriosis around your tubes, ovaries, and uterus.  Now,
I won't know for sure until I get in there and look around, but I'm fairly
positive about it.  It is my opinion that you will never conceive on your
own, unless surgery is performed to repair the damage."

"So what are my next steps, Doctor?" Lois asked, quietly.

"I recommend what is called a laparoscopy.  It is a fairly easy procedure
that will allow us to look around in there and remove any endometriosis we
find.  After that, I suggest doing a form of artificial insemination called
IUI or intrauterine insemination.  Of course, you should discuss this with
your husband before we make any decisions." The doctor concluded.

"Yes, of course." Lois agreed.

As Lois was leaving the doctor's office she thought to herself, "Yeah,
right.  How do you tell a man that is able to do just about anything that
you can't have his children, and there is nothing HE can do to help."

*****

A crashing sound brought Lois back to the present.  She looked around the
bar and saw a waitress picking up the remnants of a glass once used by a
gentleman that should have stopped drinking long ago.  She grinned slightly
as the man wobbled toward the exit.  It was at this point that Lois
wondered how long she had been in the bar.  She looked at her watch and was
amazed to find it was well after eight o'clock in the evening.

"Clark will be worried." Lois thought.  Almost immediately she realized she
still didn't know how to tell Clark the news.  She sat for a minute and
decided to get another drink.

Again, the waitress brought her beverage and placed it in front of Lois
without receiving acknowledgement.  The day had taken its toll on Lois, not
to mention the four glasses of scotch.  Lois didn't even notice the tall,
dark haired gentleman enter the bar.  He noticed her, though.  His eyes
focused on her immediately.  And he slowly approached her with a relieved,
yet scared and concerned look on his face.

"Lois?" Clark asked softly.  "Are you okay?  What are you doing here?"

Lois slowly looked up from her drink and acknowledged her husband.  "I'm
okay Clark."  She knew she wasn't fooling him but the lies that had started
so innocently earlier in the day seemed so easy to hide behind now.

"Really." He answered not as a question, but as a statement.  "I find that
hard to believe.  You've been avoiding me all day and when we were together
it was as if we weren't.  Then, I return to the Planet and find this."
Clark fished out the note that she had written from his jacket pocket.  "Be
back soon." He recited. "New development in story." He wadded up the paper
and through it across the room. "Lois, I checked with Perry and he said you
turned in your story yesterday afternoon.  You've been gone for hours and
I've been worried sick about you."  Clark stopped talking and looked at his
wife.

"Clark," Lois began.  "I -- I don't know what to say."  She cried at that
point.  The wall she had put up to protect her from the day's events
started crashing down around her.

Clark simply put his arms around her and held her.  He didn't know what
else to do.  He knew she would tell him what was wrong when she was ready.

When Lois had stopped crying she withdrew from his arms and returned to her
scotch.  She was not really drinking it as much as gazing into its depths
looking for answers.  Finally, she pushed the glass away from her and took
her husband's hand.

She told him the events that had led her to this bar.  Clark listened
intently, not wanting to interrupt her for fear she wouldn't complete the
story.  Once she was done, he continued to look at her with infinite love
in his eyes.

"Lois, honey." He whispered to her.  "I love you, and nothing -- I repeat
nothing will change that.  No.  I don't like being helpless when it comes
to you, but you should never have had to do this alone.  We're married,
we're partners, and we are one.  Your pain is my pain, and we will get
through this together.  If we are meant to be parents we will be…one way or
another."

Lois cried openly again, and hugged her husband.  "How could I have been so
blind?" she thought.

Clark and Lois left the bar hand in hand; content in the knowledge that
what was ahead of them could be painful and agonizing but that they would
face it -- whatever "it" may be -- together.

Epilogue:

Lois and Clark looked down at their beautiful bundle of joy.  It had been a
hard twenty-one months but they had gotten through it together.  First,
there had been the surgery to remove the endometriosis and then the healing
process.  Next was the natural method, which, as expected, had been
unsuccessful.  After that, they had endured the mood swings of hormonal
concoctions that Dr. Spelding had prescribed to Lois.  Those months had
been the worst.  Not only did they not work; they created so much tension
in the Kent household it was almost unbearable.  Finally, after three tries
with artificial insemination, little Caroline had been conceived.

"She gorgeous, Lois" Clark whispered, his eyes moist.

"I know." Lois responded.  "Just like her daddy."

The three of them left the hospital, together.

The End.

*****

Okay…that's it.  What did you think?  Corny?  Sappy?  Should have burned it
right out of my brain before I typed the first letter?  Anything???  Let me
know. <g>
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Hello,

Let me know the day and time you all want to meet at IRC and I will be
there.
If you want to talk to me privately my email address
is........Lansbury1@aol.com

Annie :)
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I think it was great, and very realistic.
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Well, I'm by no means an IRC expert, but if y'all like, I could try to
help out... just let me know when you decide to get together :-)  (Except=
 I
have other plans this Sunday afternoon...)

PJ =

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At 10:49 PM 7/20/98 -0700, you wrote:=20

>
> I dare someone to write a LnC fanfic using old english!!!
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Mercedes

Look, upeth in the heavens, be it a man?

Nay, I say it is a bird!

It cannot be, it's skin is royal blue

--and it be cloaked blood red--

And a spot of... yellow?

I know--It must be an... *angel*!

[crowd falls back in awe]

[old woman approaches, looks up, squinting her one good eye at=20
the sight. In a high, screeching, very Monty Pythonesque voice=20
she says...]

.
.
.
.
.
.

wait for it...

.
.
.
.
.
.
.

Harold, you git roit down here roit now!
It's thyme for your suppah!

Debby
Debby@swcp.com

okay, okay...=20

this is why I'm currently
stuck and unable to write ;)
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Okay, guys, I'm about to take the plans for this little tutorial off of the
fanfic list and into private e-mail.  Before I do that, however, I want to
mention a few things publicly:

1)  Could Christopher Kiraly (isn't that the name of a volley ball player?)
and Bobbett Jascor please send me their e-mail addresses, or if someone has
their addresses, can they pass them along to me.  They are going to be out
of the loop, otherwise and I really don't want to leave anyone out who took
the time to e-mail.

2)  From the few that have mentioned it, it looks like this weekend wouldn't
be a bad time for this.  We could either shoot for Sunday afternoon at 2:00
or 3:00.  *Or*, we could, perhaps, try it on Saturday *before* the fanfic
people get started -- either at 1:00 or 1:30?    These times should make it
fairly easy for everyone.

3)  I perused a lot of information before I took the plunge and went on the
IRC.  I remember reading on an L&C website that there is someone -- Julie
perhaps? -- who has held these type of "tutorial sessions" in the past.  Is
this so?  If it is, I would love to hear from her and have her participate
(or take over <g>) as I'm sure this idea is not original to me.

4)  I want to thank Pam (an old time<wink>) for offering to help.  If we do
it on the day your available, I would love to have you there.  Frankly, I
feel a little bit like I'm inviting people to their own home. Very
presumptuous!

5)  I want to thank Annie once again as well.

Finally, if there's anyone else who wants to lend a hand, please feel free.
This is more "your" IRC channel then "mine" -- so to speak.  What I mean by
that is I am very new to this and I wanted to participate fully in my small
way, but this is the IRC channel that you've been interacting on for years.
This is another chance to teach fellow folcs how to communicate with you and
enrich your discussion -- or send sounds to you<g>.  Don't hang back,
please.... Eileen, Leanne, Beppo, Zoomway, Cerise, Kal-El, Teca, etc. (I
can't remember everyone I "saw" there the two times I tried it.)

Sandy
salymc@gateway.net
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From:         Leanne Shawler <volterra@SD.ZNET.COM>
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>At 10:49 PM 7/20/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>
>> I dare someone to write a LnC fanfic using old english!!!
>>         Mercedes
>
>
>Look, upeth in the heavens, be it a man?
>
>Nay, I say it is a bird!
>
>It cannot be, it's skin is royal blue
>
>--and it be cloaked blood red--
>
>And a spot of... yellow?
>
>I know--It must be an... *angel*!
>
>[crowd falls back in awe]
>
>[old woman approaches, looks up, squinting her one good eye at
>the sight. In a high, screeching, very Monty Pythonesque voice
>she says...]
>
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>
>wait for it...
>
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>
>Harold, you git roit down here roit now!
>It's thyme for your suppah!
>
>
>Debby
>Debby@swcp.com
>
>okay, okay...
>
>this is why I'm currently
>stuck and unable to write ;)

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!

Leanne

(sorry, it was just worth repeating :))

Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com)
Web Design: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/design/webdesign.html
Home Page: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html
Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page:
http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html
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Oh Debby, that was priceless!!!

Kate (the Maryland one)
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Hi,
I have been away for 2 weeks and came back to an overloaded mailbox. In m=
y
haste to delete some things I didn't want I deleted the info on Dean on A=
H.
Could someone please repost or send me some information. I have been
reading some dissappointing things about him promising to be some place a=
nd
then cancelling...this doesn't sound like the Dean we used to know.

Thanks,
Donna
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> 1)  Could Christopher Kiraly (isn't that the name of a volley ball
player?)

Actually, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it's Karch Kiraly,
although I'm not all that sure of the spelling.

Sorry guys, being the volleyball nut that I am, I just couldn't resist
that one! ;)

Karen :)
who thinks Mark Heese could take Karch Kiraly any day, but I'd rather
see Dean Cain play volleyball than anyone!

<ward8120@mach1.wlu.ca>
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
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That was really good Debby, you always come up with the good ones :-)

Angee

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In message <199807230215.UAA14402@kitsune.swcp.com>, Debby Stark
<debby@SWCP.COM> writes
>
>Look, upeth in the heavens, be it a man?
>
>Nay, I say it is a bird!
>
>It cannot be, it's skin is royal blue
>
>--and it be cloaked blood red--
>
>And a spot of... yellow?
>
>I know--It must be an... *angel*!
>
>[crowd falls back in awe]
>
>[old woman approaches, looks up, squinting her one good eye at
>the sight. In a high, screeching, very Monty Pythonesque voice
>she says...]
>
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>
>wait for it...
>
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>.
>
>Harold, you git roit down here roit now!
>It's thyme for your suppah!
>
>
>Debby
>Debby@swcp.com
>
>okay, okay...
>
>this is why I'm currently
>stuck and unable to write ;)

--
Angee Chaudhry
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I too ment to comment on this a couple of weeks ago when I read it.  I
guess I'll be brave and post it to the list rather than do it privately
since there are so many authors to that story!

I did enjoy this very much.  Allthough, I would have like to of seen
Clark with Lois the whole time through her labor.  I realize that isn't
very likely to happen though since this is what L&C are all about, over
coming major obstacles!  And Lois is totally the type to be stubborn and
tough and stick it out as long as humanly possible- in her room---away
from her mom--until Clark could return.

I kind of got bored while reading Perry's history in the newsroom, but
maybe that was because I was sooo tired that late at nite and was
determined that Lois was going to have that baby before I went to bed!
<G>   I'm not crazy about the stories that spend a long time on other
characters either, but the sections on Jimmy didn't bother me too much
since I realized the whole thing couldn't be about Lois in labor! The
story about Jimmy being a little bit of a hero, I liked that. I like how
L&C changed the usual "geeky" image of Jimmy Olsen and instead made him
a 'pretty cool guy'!

I also enjoyed that this was a natural disaster instead of some crazy
lunatic bent on getting even with society!  It was also more
entertaining in that Supes just didn't fix it all in a matter of
seconds, but he had to really figure it out.  I could imagine his
frustration at how long this was taking him, knowing that he could very
well miss the birth of his child.  I imagine it would be very hard to
calm down and think straight in a situation like that.

The only thing that really left me feeling like something was missing,
was right after Lois had her baby.  It mentions Lois having feelings of
triumph for having actually succeeded and then her feelings of joy as
she hears the baby cry. Then she's struggling to sit up to catch a
glimpse of her baby-- but that is all.  I would have loved to have read
further about her first reaction to seeing and bonding with her new born
son, her and clarks reaction to "it's a boy!" and being with them as
they held him for the first time.  That is a very tender moment, and
being able to feel like we were in the delivery room along with them, I
just personally hated to miss this part.  I felt like all of a sudden
somebody told me to get out of the delivery room and go wait the Lane's
and the Kent's  in the waiting room! <G>

And last of all, but certainly not least, I really enjoyed Clarks
expressions to his father when he was saying how amazing he thought Lois
was bringing their child into the world. That was a very sweet moment
and I thought it was captured very well.

Welp, there's my 2 cents- hope it makes sense!!!

Thanx Tuffs writers!!!

Jamee....who is so incredibly excited, because believe it or not, there
is an episode of Lois and Clark on tomarrow that she never ever saw!
I'm so excited I'm gonna burst! :)
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In a message dated 98-07-22 18:53:26 EDT, you write:

<< Hello,

 Let me know the day and time you all want to meet at IRC and I will be
there.
 If you want to talk to me privately my email address
 is........Lansbury1@aol.com

 Annie :) >>

Annie,

If ya want any help.. I'm there for ya  :) just name the channel :)

Anne :)
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Someone - I can't remember who - posted a challenge to the
list earlier this week. What if a journalist spotted
Superman wearing a wedding ring?

I am about to post a fanfic which deals with this scenario,
and, I hope, a number of the other twists people suggested
to go along with it. Don't all throw rotten tomatoes at
once!

Look for 'A Ring on his Finger'

Wendy

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A Ring on his Finger

By Wendy Richards

"Lois! Clark! Take a look at this!"

Jimmy's excitable voice reached the Planet's star reporters
as they had barely stepped out of the elevator to enter the
newsroom. Lois turned to Clark, raising an eyebrow in
amusement; Clark grinned back as they both wondered just
what had occurred this time to gain Jimmy's interest.

Not allowing his friends time even to deposit their
briefcases at their desks, Jimmy rushed over. "The Star
says Superman's got married!"

Lois felt a little chill run through her;  had their secret
finally been discovered? She stole a glance at Clark: he
also looked worried, though he was trying not to show it.
Lois shook herself; how *could* anyone have found out?

"Jimmy, how could anyone believe some of the rubbish the
Star prints? Really, they're not much better than the
Whisper some of the time," she said firmly, dismissively.
"Throw that away and let's get some work done around here
before Perry sees what you're wasting time with."

"No, Lois, you don't understand," Jimmy protested. "It's
not another made-up 'kiss and tell' story. This one's
different, and Perry wants -"

"Perry wants you two in my office *right away*," the gruff
voice of the Planet's editor-in-chief growled from a
location behind and to the right of the little group.

Clark and Lois followed Perry White to his office; shutting
the door behind them, Clark protested, "Chief, you're not
suggesting *you* believe that stuff?"

"See for yourself," the editor replied, gesturing to a copy
of that morning's edition of the Metropolis Star which was
lying on his desk.

The banner headline screamed, "Who's Mrs Superman?"

Underneath, a smaller headline observed, "Man of Steel
Married!"

Most of the remainder of the page was occupied by a large,
blown-up colour photograph of Superman carrying a victim
away from some emergency or other - the gas explosion near
the docks a few days ago, Clark remembered. The photo was
cropped so as to focus on the upper part of Superman's
torso and his arms as they were wrapped around his
passenger. A large circle had been drawn around Superman's
left hand by a copy-editor, to emphasise the simple item of
jewellery on his third finger.

A wedding ring.

<*My* wedding ring> thought Clark with a silent groan.

"How did that happen?" Lois exclaimed in shock, forgetting
Perry's presence as she turned to Clark with an expression
of horror on her face.

Clark, his mind in turmoil, managed to recover enough of
his senses to realise what Lois had said and to prepare to
cover up if necessary. But Perry's next words made it clear
that he had not read anything suspicious into Lois's
outburst.

"Yes, how come you two - who are supposed to be *friends*
of Superman, after all - didn't know anything about this?"
the editor asked in a voice heavily ringed with irony. "Of
course, I know you wouldn't dream of keeping such a big
news story to yourselves; after all, it's not as if the
Planet's circulation figures would have been helped by *us*
breaking this story, is it?" He gave Lois and Clark an
accusatory glare.

"There's nothing wrong with the Planet's circulation," Lois
objected, having pulled herself together - publicly at
least - and seizing on the opportunity of a distraction.

"There is this morning!" Perry retorted. "Do you two really
think anyone wanted to read about yet another environmental
impact conference when the Star was telling the world that
Superman's gotten himself hitched?"

Clark sighed. He was well aware that this was all his
fault. He was usually so careful when he changed into The
Suit, ensuring that he removed anything and everything
which would link him to Clark Kent, Lois Lane or any
semblance of a normal, *human* lifestyle. They had joked
about his wedding ring when they had first been married,
coming up with suggestions for places to carry it when he
was Superman. He had insisted that he would remove it and
wear it on the chain Lois had given him when he had
departed for New Krypton. And so he had done, on every
occasion when he had needed to become the super-hero.
Except... until... two days ago. He had clearly forgotten,
in the urgency of the need to get to the site of the
explosion, to take off his ring.

And because he had been careless, a photographer had been
able to snatch an incriminating, highly damaging, image.

Clark searched his mind back for other photographs taken of
him during that rescue. He hadn't remembered noticing the
ring, and for an instant his hopes rose. Perhaps the
picture had been electronically altered? That had happened
before, when Superman had been accused of having an affair
with Lois; thankfully they had been able to prove that the
pictures were forgeries before he had needed to implement
his resolve to tell the truth about his _alter ego_.

How _could_ he have been so careless? He had put in
jeopardy his and Lois's privacy,  and perhaps their entire
lives. How could they continue in their home, their jobs,
if the truth were known? Would Lois, his friends, his
family ever be safe again?

Perry, impatient at the lack of response from the two
journalists, tried again. "Will you just tell me whether
you knew about this?" he demanded.

Lois, seeing that Clark was too lost in his thoughts to
answer, spoke. "Perry, Superman is a friend of ours. And
because of that, there are things about him which we
haven't published - you know we didn't write about green
Kryptonite, and you didn't write about red Kryptonite. So
he does trust us... But at the same time, I'm well aware
that he doesn't tell... his friends... everything about his
private life. Maybe because he's afraid of having it become
public knowledge, maybe because he really is a very private
person. So you see, Chief, that story in the Star is as
much of a shock to us as it was to you."

<Brava, Lois> Clark applauded his wife silently.

"Well, all right, I guess I accept that," Perry conceded.
"But now this is public knowledge, I want the story! When
did he get married, why didn't he tell anyone, why is he
wearing a wedding ring if he's not prepared to talk about
it - and most important, *who is she*?" He picked up the
Star, glared at the headline, and threw it down on his
desk. "This story's even bigger than Elvis marrying
Priscilla, Charles marrying Diana... get on it!"

*****************

"Well, I managed to get us out of that - for the moment,"
Lois commented. They were sitting in the coffee shop around
the corner from the Planet, having decided to got there to
talk as soon as they'd left Perry's office.

"Yes, you did - I thought you were fantastic, sweetheart,"
Clark replied softly, reaching for Lois's hand and
squeezing it.

Lois  pulled her hand away. "You can't get around me that
easily this time, Clark. This is appalling - how could you
have let it happen?"

Hurt, Clark pulled back. He *knew* it was his fault; did
she have to rub it in? "Lois, I am sorry," he said, after a
pause, in a voice so low she had to strain to hear him. "I
can't think how it happened. I even hoped at first that it
was a forgery, but..." he paused again, then continued.
"Before we left the newsroom, I looked at our own report of
the explosion - I used my super-vision to look closely at
the photo we ran, and I *was* wearing the ring."

"I knew it was real," Lois replied quietly.

"How?" Clark demanded.

"Do you think I wouldn't recognise the ring we chose
together, that I put on your finger when we were married,
that I see on your hand every day?" Lois's voice was angry,
passionate, upset.

Clark again felt the tight hand of emotional pain curl
around his heart. But he forced himself to focus on the
immediate problem. "Do you think anyone else will recognise
it?"

I doubt it," Lois replied convincingly. "No-one else would
have any reason to think it looked familiar - I'm sure none
of our friends could describe your wedding ring, it's
hardly distinctive in any way." <Except to me...>

"Lois, I'm sorry..." Clark murmured in a heartfelt voice.
"I would never have wanted to do this to you, please
believe me."

Lois allowed herself to meet her husband's eyes and to
acknowledge his suffering as equal to her own. She *wasn't*
being fair simply to blame him and pretend that they
weren't both in this together.

"I do, Clark, and I'm sorry too - for making this harder by
taking out my temper on you," she whispered, knowing that
he could hear her. She reached for his hand, and they held
each other for several moments.

"I love you," Clark mouthed at her. She smiled and mimed
the words back to him.

"But we have to decide what we're going to do about this,"
she added a moment later, matter-of-factly.

"I know," Clark acknowledged. "We've got Perry on our
backs, to say nothing of the rat-pack who'll be following
Superman everywhere he goes for the foreseeable future -
and probably chasing after us as well since it's known that
we're friends of Superman's."

"So what do you want to do?" Lois asked, unsure what he
intended to suggest.

"We have to do something quickly, to stop the speculation.
Which means providing an answer they'll be happy with."

"Such as?" Lois demanded. He couldn't be thinking of
revealing all, could he?

"Such as who Superman is married to," Clark replied firmly.
Lois thought that he was probably completely unconscious of
it, but his jaw was set in a very Superman-like expression.
She was glad they were sitting in a dark corner booth of an
almost-deserted coffee shop.

Glancing around cautiously before speaking, Lois replied,
"You mean me?"

"No," Clark replied instantly, reassuringly. "You're
married to Clark Kent. Not Superman."

"We've had this conversation before, Clark," Lois pointed
out patiently. "You *are*... you-know-who... and I'm
married to... *both* of you."

"Not as far as the world knows, Lois," Clark replied
firmly. The cogs of his brain were still working thousands
of times faster than Intel's most powerful chip, but he was
attempting to show a calm exterior to Lois.

He paused; Lois waited. Finally, he spoke. "Kal-El was
married to Zara... and the world knows about the New
Kryptonians..."

"That's an idea..." Lois raised her eyes to Clark's, her
own shining. "That would be a wonderfully simple solution!
You could do a press conference, explain about the birth
betrothal, and say that even though Zara has gone back to
New Krypton you are still married to her under Kryptonian
law..." She broke off and grimaced at Clark.

"It won't work, will it?" she asked him.

Clark shook his head, disappointed. "No. Why is this the
first time he's worn the ring if...? Zara left a year ago.
Why would he still consider himself married to her? And why
didn't anyone say anything about a marriage at the time?"

"You're right," Lois acknowledged. "It's not convincing.
But what can we say, then?"

Clark sighed deeply. "I don't know. We need to think about
it - and in the meantime, look as if we're doing something
about getting the story!"

Lois groaned. "I've just remembered the awards ceremony,
Clark!"

Appalled, Clark shook his head slowly. He - or rather,
Superman - was supposed to be presenting awards to children
who had carried out acts of bravery, at a ceremony hosted
by the Mayor. In a few hours' time... and the Press would
be ravenous.

"Can you pull out?" Lois asked, although she knew what the
answer would be.

Clark shook his head decisively. "You know I can't let
those kids down." He reached for Lois's hand again. "It'll
be a nightmare. But we can get through it."

Lois nodded, knowing that he was right.

"And Lois," Clark added, "You need to be up there at the
front of the pack, asking as many intrusive questions as
the Star and Whisper reporters do." He saw Lois instantly
recoil at the thought, and added, "You have to. It's the
only way to protect ourselves and assure Perry that we're
taking this as seriously as he wants us to."

--------------------

Continued in Part 2

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Wendy Richards
w.m.richards@hrm.keele.ac.uk
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*************

"...and, ladies and gentlemen of the Press," the Mayor
continued her introduction to the awards ceremony,
"Superman has asked me to say to you that he is aware that
you all wish to ask him questions about recent speculation,
but that he would be grateful if you would wait until after
the awards have been presented. He wants me to assure you
that if you will do as he asks, he will answer your
questions then."

How like Clark that was, Lois reflected as she stood with
the rest of the Metropolis Press corps - and one or two
reporters from out of town - waiting for Superman's
appearance. He *would* want to ensure that, whatever else
was going on, the children should get the uninterrupted
attention they deserved.

The Press corps was substantially larger than had been
expected for such an event, and the City Hall staff had had
to provide extra space. Even with that, a number of
reporters jostled parents and relatives of the children who
were to receive awards, and it was clear that the families
did not appreciate their special event being hijacked by
media interest in Superman-related gossip. Already some
comments had been made in stage whispers about 'tabloid
junk' and 'nosy reporters'. Lois couldn't help but
sympathise. Although she was a reporter, loved her career,
and felt passionate about the freedom of the Press, she and
Clark had themselves been on the receiving end of unwelcome
Press attention a few times, and so they understood how it
felt.

As Lois watched the presentation of the awards, she thought
that Clark was giving the children and their families even
more time and attention than was his usual practice at
these events. Attempting to put off the unavoidable
confrontation with the Press as long as possible, or simply
trying to compensate the children for the fact that their
special day had been ruined by his carelessness? Knowing
Clark, it could be either. Lois found herself hoping that
Clark would hear an emergency he couldn't ignore, so that
the impromptu press conference would be frustrated.

Eventually, the awards were over and the Mayor took the
children and their families into one of the function rooms
for a private reception. As soon as they had left, the
Press swooped. Converging on the platform where Superman
still stood, dozens of reporters began shouting questions
at the same time, and several flashbulbs went off.

Shielding his eyes with one hand, Clark held up the other
hand in an appeal for silence. However, afforded an
uninterrupted sight of his left hand, the babble grew even
more intense.

"He's not wearing it!"

"No ring! Could the Star have got it wrong?"

Lois's heart leapt on hearing the speaker nearest her.
Perhaps they could get away with pretending it had all been
a mistake after all.

She had no idea what Clark was going to say. They had
discussed the likely sequence of events, but had not been
able to come up with a convincing story before they had
both had to leave for the ceremony. All Clark had said was
that he would try to stall, for the time being.

<Tell them it *was* a mistake!> Lois pleaded silently, her
eyes raised beseechingly to Clark's.

Clark read the mute appeal in his wife's eyes, but refused
to acknowledge it in any way. He could not take the risk of
anyone noticing, and wondering about it.  He called for
silence. "I can't answer your questions if I can't hear
them!" he said ironically, in a raised voice.

The cacophony ceased. The journalists waited, poised, Clark
thought, to pounce.

He straightened, crossed his arms in front of his chest,
and looked straight at his persecutors. He paused, glancing
from one face to another, then said, "Ms Lane?"

Lois, surprised, moved forward. Clark had not told her he
intended to do that! She focused her atttention quickly.
<Treat this as you would any other news story!> she
instructed herself. "Superman, the Star shows a photograph
of you wearing a wedding ring. Can you explain that?" she
demanded loudly.

Other reporters attempted to ask follow-ups, but again
Clark raised his hand. "If you want me to answer, you've
got to give me an opportunity," he pointed out.

<Tell them it was a mistake, that you... found it, got
called away, and...> Lois screamed to herself. <And what?>
the rational voice inside her head taunted. <And just put
it on his finger? Why on earth would he have done that?>

Clark, meanwhile, was gathering together the tentative plan
he had been constructing in his mind for the past few
hours. Step one: stall. Step two: find some valid
explanation... but what?

"Yes, I was wearing a ring," he answered.

"A wedding ring?" demanded the Whisper reporter.

"Yes," he replied. "And yes, I have a wife."

"Who is she?"

"Why haven't you said anything before?"

"Why aren't you wearing the ring today?"

"Where is she?"

The questions came thick and fast, and Clark let them
continue for a minute or two, buying time to compose
himself. He risked a glance at Lois; although she was
trying to behave like a journalist on the track of a great
story, he knew that she was anxious. He noticed that she
was chewing her lower lip, and he could tell that her pulse
rate was higher than normal.

Decisively, he stopped the questions again.

"I have never said anything because I have always wanted my
private life to be just that... private. What I do in
public - helping people,  lending my support to this kind
of occasion - is newsworthy, and I accept that. I also try
to assist the Press by giving occasional Press conferences
and quotes for news reports." Superman paused, then
continued before the questions could re-start. "But I
believe that I am entitled to privacy when I am not in the
public eye, doing my job. Therefore I don't think I need to
say more than I already have."

He turned, as if to leave, then paused and added, "Wearing
the ring the other day was a mistake. I do not wear it
normally when I'm... working... in order to safeguard my
privacy and that of my wife."

The questions came again; the reporters were not happy at
being told to mind their own business.

"What's she like?"

"Is she a babe?"

"Is she good in bed?"

Lois flushed at the last one, and glared at the questioner,
a reporter on a tabloid TV news magazine show. How dare
they...? They were asking about *her*, although they didn't
know it. She seethed silently.

"So the Suit comes off, then?" This, with a suggestive
grin, came from the Star's female gossip columnist, in
Lois's opinion a vamp who had made advances towards Clark
more times than Lois was prepared to put up with.

Superman shook his head at the repeated questions and said
loudly, "I have said all that I am prepared to at the
moment." He stopped, then tilted his head to one side. "I
have to go, I'm needed elsewhere." With that, he raised
himself slowly into the air, and drifted towards an open
window at the back of the hall. On exiting the window, he
was gone with the sound of a sonic boom.

Lois, left behind in the midst of the fulminating throng of
reporters, wondered whether that had been a real emergency
or simply a convenient excuse to leave. She wanted
desperately to leave as well, to go somewhere on her own,
or with Clark, where they could simply forget about this
whole nightmare. <Maybe Clark and I could fly to
Smallville... no, Jonathan and Martha would want to talk
about how we're going to handle this and, much as I love
them, I don't think I could cope with it... maybe we could
find some deserted tropical island somewhere and simply
stay there until all this has died down...>

But she knew that such an idea was impossible. It would be
too suspicious, and Perry in particular would be difficult
to get around.  Lois forced herself to concentrate on the
matter at hand. Clark had done a good job of stalling, it
was true; he had been aloof and insistent on his right to a
private life, and indicated that he thought that the Press
was overstepping what he considered a reasonable boundary.
Enough for the time being, but it would certainly not kill
the story.

No, the rat-pack would simply increase its efforts to find
the woman they were calling Mrs Superman. That much was
obvious from the hubbub, although no-one was giving too
much away, other than their disgust at Superman's belief
that he had a *right* to keep such information to himself.

Gradually the hall began to clear, as pressure of deadlines
began to make itself felt on the various members of the
Fourth Estate present.

*************

The Daily Planet's evening edition announced, "Yes, I'm
married, but it's my private business."

The Star screamed, "Who is she? The public's right to
know."

The Whisper claimed, "Clairvoyant tells the secrets of
mystery Super-Bride"

Clark, who had returned to the newsroom about an hour after
Lois, crumpled the Whisper into a tiny ball and aimed it at
the waste-paper bin. Lois saw the reined-in frustration in
her husband's expression and moved towards him. Curling her
arm about his shoulders, she murmured, "Can I get you a
coffee, sweetheart?"

Clark smiled back at his wife. However difficult his life
sometimes seemed, having Lois by his side somehow helped to
reassure him that all would be well. As long as they had
each other... <You and me together is stronger than me
alone> The words came to him suddenly from his
sub-conscious. He had meant them when he had said them to
Lois all that time ago, when she had just discovered his
secret. But he hadn't *really* realised what the concept
meant. Since then, so many things had happened which he
really would not have been able to handle without Lois: the
threat to his parents' lives, the - brief - loss of his
super-powers, the arrival of the New Kryptonians, their
inability to conceive. Through all of these, Lois had been
his constant support. The only times, now, when he felt
that he could not cope were when he felt that Lois was lost
to him... when she had been kidnapped by Luthor and lost
her memory, and when she had been framed and found guilty
of murder.

<Together, we can find a way out of this> The thought
imprinted itself on Clark's brain, and, looking at Lois, he
felt that she believed it as well.

They took their coffee into the conference room, where
Clark explained his absence since the ceremony. "There
wasn't really an emergency - I just had to get out of
there," he explained. "I knew that they wouldn't be happy
with me telling them to mind their own business - and we've
read the Star's editorial, they're claiming that I don't
have any right to privacy and that everything I do is in
the public interest. So I just left, and I went to see Mom
and Dad."

"How are they?" Lois asked, concerned.

Clark shrugged. "Worried about us, but they're sure we'll
find a way to deal with it."

They sat in silence for a few minutes, each lost in their
own thoughts. Lois began to look through the other
newspapers, making notes of points which they would have to
address whenever they did arrive at a convincing
explanation of Superman's marriage.

Suddenly she exclaimed angrily, "Just *who* do they think
they are?!"

"Lois?" Clark  looked at her in concern.

"Look at this!"

Clark quickly read the offending page. The first article
was written by a scientist at Metropolis University, a
geneticist. In it, he argued that if Superman was indeed
married, and to an Earth woman, there could be great
concerns for the human gene pool. Not only was there the
question of potential Super-humans, he pointed out. The
effect of mixing Kryptonian genes with human genes was
completely unresearched, and it was highly irresponsible of
Superman to risk corrupting the human gene pool in this
way.

The other main article was by 'a former senior Defence
official', and this was more disturbing. In it, the author
reminded readers that, although Superman so far had
appeared friendly to Earth, the government still had no
proof of his ultimate intentions, nor any reliable means of
controlling him should he cease to be a benign influence.
The destruction wreaked by the New Kryptonians was referred
to, in an attempt to suggest the kind of harm Superman
*could* do if he so chose; references were also made to the
couple of occasions when, to Clark's deep shame, Superman
had appeared to lose control of his powers - once as a
result of hypnosis and the second time due to red
Kryptonite. Even more worrying, the writer argued, was the
potential for Super-children. What if, he claimed, the
ultimate aim was to start a Super-race who would take over
the Earth?

Clark threw the paper down in disgust. "Trask clones
crawling out of the woodwork, on top of everything else,"
he muttered.

Lois threw her husband a sharp glance. There had been
something in his tone of voice...

She went to him and wrapped her arms around his taut body.
"Honey, what is it? You're not letting that... that
*garbage* - get to you, are you?"

Clark grimaced. "No, I know I shouldn't - well, not the
nonsense about me trying to start a..." his voice fell to a
whisper, "...a Super-race to take over the earth. That's
just laughable," he continued in a normal voice. "But the
effect of a combination of genes... we've never really
considered that. All we've looked at is whether it would be
*possible* for me to get you pregnant. I never thought
about what our children might have to live with..."

<Typical Clark> Lois thought. <*We* thought about whether I
could get pregnant. *Clark* didn't think about the
children... we're in this together, you idiot!>

Deciding that setting him straight about what joint
decision-making actually meant would be better done another
time, she leaned towards Clark and kissed him softly,
lingeringly.

Clark, successfully distracted, returned the kiss and held
Lois tightly for several moments. Lois then pulled away and
addressed her husband's concern. "Clark,  Dr Klein isn't
stupid. Don't you think that if there was a genuine need to
worry about the effects of mixing... you know... that he
would have said something while he was doing the tests for
you?"

They both looked at each other in shock, and simultaneously
exclaimed, "Dr Klein!"

**************

In Lois's Jeep, as they drove out of the Planet's car park,
they put into words the thoughts which had occurred to them
both two minutes earlier.

"What if Dr Klein puts two and two together... Superman was
asking him whether he could get an Earth woman pregnant;
now Superman admits to being married?" Lois's voice was
growing high-pitched.

"But honey, Dr Klein already knew that I... that Superman
had a girlfriend. What difference does a revelation that he
is married make?" Clark flung out an arm towards Lois in an
attempt to convince her, and perhaps himself.  "Lois, we've
never given Bernard Klein any reason to suspect that I am
Superman, or that you are involved with him - you can't
mean that he'd figure out our secret from this?"

"No, I guess not," Lois acknowledged in a calmer voice. "I
suppose what I'm really afraid of is that the Press will
find out about the... tests. Then they'll not only hunt
even harder for the mythical wife, but they'll be screaming
about babies too!"

"OK," Clark said. "Let's look at this carefully. Are we
saying that we're afraid Klein will talk to the Press?"

Lois hesitated. "He never has before... and he's taken
risks to protect you - Superman - before too."

"Yes," Clark agreed. "And he's not interested in money, so
I don't think the rewards the tabloids are offering would
induce him to talk. But I can go and talk to him if you
like...?"

Lois hesitated again, torn. "I *would* like... but I also
don't really want you going anywhere in the Suit at the
moment. All it needs is one assistant at Star Labs to pick
up the phone and notify a reporter that you're there..."

"OK, then I go to Star Labs, collect Dr Klein, and take him
somewhere private to talk," Clark suggested.

****************
Concluded in Part 3

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Clark returned to the house on Hyperion Avenue later that
evening, pleased that he could at least reassure Lois about
one thing. He had indeed virtually kidnapped the scientist
and flown with him to a deserted cliff overlooking the
coastline. Clark had been surprised to discover that he
hadn't even needed to explain to Dr Klein what he'd wanted
to discuss. The scientist had commented that he had read
the reports in the Press and seen some of the TV coverage.

"I realised that this must have been going on for some
time, given that you had asked me to run tests on your
genetic compatibility with Earth women," Dr Klein remarked.
"So as soon as I came in this morning I removed all trace
of your records and test data from the laboratory. It's all
locked in a safe at my home, where I keep highly sensitive
research data. No-one even knows the safe is there, so your
secret is perfectly safe with me."

Clark hadn't bothered to hide his relief. He had also
realised that it would be highly insulting to the man who,
he now knew, was genuinely his friend, even to suggest that
Dr Klein might have considered talking to the Press. He had
simply flown the man back to Star Labs and left before
anyone had noticed.

On his way home, he had diverted to assist in a
multiple-car pile-up on the freeway, But even that had not
been straightforward. Instead of simply being grateful for
his help, as was normal, accident victims, bystanders and
even some emergency services personnel had insisted on
congratulating him on his marriage and asking intrusive
questions. The last straw had come when several reporters,
alerted to his presence, had arrived and fired yet more
questions at him. Deciding that the emergency services
could just handle this one on their own, Clark had flown
off without a backward glance.

But even having a quiet evening at home had turned out to
be an impossibility. The TV news was full of speculation
about Superman's bride. The talk shows were full of guests
invited for some vague connection with Superman. The live
comedy shows were full of ad-libs about Super-sex, joking
about whether an Earth woman could keep up with a Super
libido, whether a simultaneous orgasm would genuinely
result in the couple floating on the ceiling, and whether
Mrs Superman should be offered a lifetime prescription of a
female version of Viagra.

Clark turned off the TV in disgust. "I don't believe it -
they're making fun of our sex life now!"

Lois crossed to him and hugged him. "Who cares about the
outside world? All we need is each other." They held each
other close for some time, each acknowledging and aching
for the other's pain. At length, Lois asked Clark to take
her flying.

"Is that wise, honey? What if we're seen?"

"It's dark, sweetheart - just go as high as you can until
we're out of Metropolis, and then we can go somewhere
remote," Lois suggested.

*************

They returned home before dawn the following morning and
collapsed into bed for the remaining few hours before their
alarm went off.

A shock awaited them as they left the house later. A throng
of reporters was outside.

"Lois! Clark! Superman's a friend of yours - what do you
know about his mystery girl?"

<Oh no, not again> Clark thought to himself. Lois, on the
other hand, was setting about silencing the reporters.

"Yes, Superman is a friend of ours. But he told us all
yesterday that he keeps his private life to himself. He has
always been like that, as long as I have known him. Clark
and I were as surprised as anyone else when we saw the
wedding ring on his finger."

"Yeah, but have you spoken to him since?" demanded the
Star's city reporter.

"Superman made it clear yesterday how he felt about Press
harassment," Lois replied. "I gather he even left an
emergency situation because of unwanted Press attention. I
hardly think, in the circumstances, he would want to talk
to reporters, however good friends they were."

Clark, again admiring Lois's capacity to think on her feet,
joined in the discussion. "I don't think Superman wants to
talk to anyone about this, and I certainly wouldn't ask him
even in private or on off-the-record terms. I know Lois
feels the same."

"I bet Perry White doesn't!" guffawed one older hack.

****************

The morning's papers were even worse. The Star had taken up
the theme of warning about the dangers of Superman's
descendants, and other articles and leaders debated the
limits of privacy entitlements. The general conclusion
appeared to be that given that Superman, and any
Super-offspring, had the potential to be a great danger to
the State, Superman had no legitimate right to privacy
about his marital affairs.

The sole dissenting voice in this was that of the
Editor-in-Chief of the Daily Planet. In a front-page
editorial, Perry had written that the speculation about any
danger to ordinary citizens from Superman was ludicrous. He
listed the many dangers which Superman had averted,
including stopping the Nightfall asteroid at great danger
to himself. Superman, Perry reminded his readers, had also
defended America against his own people, the New
Kryptonians, at the risk of his own life. As a  result,
Superman surely deserved the same consideration and
entitlements as every American citizen held under the
Constitution.

Lois and Clark had not seen Perry's column, and as they
read it they felt reassured in the knowledge of their
friend and boss's support; not, of course, that Perry knew
just who he was defending, but that was irrelevant.

However, their delight over the Planet editorial quickly
disappeared when they saw the front page of the Star's
latest edition.

"Mrs Superman talks! We reveal the identity of the Man of
Steel's bride"

Accompanying the headline was a photograph of a pneumatic
blonde woman, dressed in a skimpy Lycra dress, in dark blue
with a yellow-and-red 'S' shield on the front, and
displaying a wedding ring prominently.

Clark choked. "As if I could be remotely interested in
someone like... that!" he gestured contemptuously at the
newspaper.

"She's... a bimbo!" Lois snorted.

"Honey, I've never seen her before in my life," Clark
muttered anxiously.

"Clark? I never thought you had!" Lois exclaimed. "Why...?
Oh, of course, because I wasn't sure whether to believe you
when someone claimed she'd had your baby."

Clark inclined his head, although he didn't reply.

Further conversation was prevented by the newsroom TV
screens blinking into action to reveal a press conference.
The woman in the photograph was surrounded by Star
editorial staff, who were asserting that she was indeed
Superman's wife. Prompted by her companions, she was
telling tales of moonlight flights, trips to Venice, a
hunky body and a fantastic sex life.

"Yuck... I can't watch," Lois muttered in tones of
revulsion.

"Exactly," Perry growled from behind her. "This one's about
as genuine as an Elvis impersonator at a church fete. But
there's still a story!"

"What do you want us to do, Chief?" Clark enquired in a
faintly bored tone. "I mean, the Whisper's staff are
scouring every church and registry office in the country
looking for a lead, the other papers are offering
rewards... do you want us to go and rummage through trash
cans or something?"

"Now, son, you know very well the Planet's not that kind of
paper," Perry said reprovingly. "And I know that Superman's
careful of his privacy at the moment. But surely he doesn't
want people thinking that... that supermarket tabloid model
is his wife? Why don't you two offer him the opportunity to
put the record straight? Offer him whatever guarantees he
wants - copy approval, if he wants it."

****************

"Great idea, if we could think of what to say," Lois
commented once they had returned to their desks; the rest
of the newsroom staff were still staring at the TV screen.

"Maybe I can," Clark said slowly. "But if we're to carry it
off, I need your help."

"What?" Lois demanded. "What are you going to do?"

Clark glanced around before replying. "Give the Press what
they want - Superman's wife."

Lois stared at him.

"Do you still have that Ultra Woman costume?" he murmured,
dragging Lois towards the lift.

Inside the lift, Lois began to protest. "No - I mean it's a
brilliant idea, but we can't..."

"Why not?"

"Ultra Woman had Super-powers. I don't."

"Doesn't matter," Clark retorted swiftly. "You won't have
to do anything. I can do it all."

Lois gaped at him. "Not even you can make me fly!"

Clark drove the Jeep back to Hyperion Avenue. He glanced at
Lois as they waited at an intersection, and enquired, "Do
you trust me, Lois?"

"Of *course* - how can you even ask?" Lois was indignant.

"I mean, do you trust me with your physical safety - not to
drop you when I fly with you, or to take any risks where
I'm not sure that you would be safe?"

"Again, of course!" Lois glared at him. "What has this to
do with anything?"

"Simply that we can make it look as if you're flying. But
you won't be - I'll be doing the flying, and any other
Super feats necessary."

Parking the Jeep outside the house, Clark hustled Lois
inside. Now that he had arrived at a solution to the
problem, he wanted to implement his plan as quickly as
possible so that their lives could return to normal. "Lois,
when we fly I always hold you up in my arms," he explained
once they were in their bedroom. "I don't actually *need*
to hold you that way - I'm strong enough not to need two
arms. But I do it to reassure you, and anyway I like it."

"Yes?" Lois was still unsure as to where this was leading.

"I could support you perfectly safely if we were just
holding hands, and even more easily if you were clinging to
my arm," he pointed out.

"So?"

"So if we arrived at a Press conference, in costume, with
you clinging to my arm as we touched down, it would look as
if we were both flying. And I could lift you up once or
twice during the conference so it would look like you were
levitating."

Lois stared at her husband. It sounded so simple, and so
irresistible... "Could we really get away with it?"

"Let's try," Clark suggested.

They experimented a number of times, and also talked
through the story they would tell at the Press conference.
Lois then phoned the Planet. Superman, she told Perry
White, had agreed to give Lane and Kent an exclusive
interview about his marriage, to be followed by a Press
conference outside the Planet building where he would
introduce his bride for the first and last time.

***************

"Ready?" Clark asked Lois. They were on the roof of the
Planet building, in costume; the massed ranks of the media
were already gathered below.

"As I'll ever be," Lois said through gritted teeth. Clark
curved his palm along her cheek and into her hair.

"Honey, trust me. This will be fine."

Lois nodded, eyes closed. "What a time to choose to develop
a fear of heights!"

Clark laughed softly, and bent to kiss his wife. Before she
had time to recover, he picked her up and carried her to
the edge of the building. Lois wrapped her arms about his
very solid arm.

"Just hold on - and remember, I will *not* let you fall,"
Clark assured her.

He allowed them to drift slowly down from the roof,
controlling the pace so that Lois would not feel a
sensation of free-fall. He heard the shouts as their
arrival was detected.

Jimmy's voice rose above the rest of the crowd. "Hey, it's
Ultra Woman!"

The Press conference was a success. Clark explained that he
and Ultra Woman had been married for some time, but had not
chosen to tell anyone about the marriage because they had
wanted privacy. Ultra Woman had not been seen in Metropolis
since shortly after the Newtrich sisters had been arrested
because she had been busy elsewhere; Earth was not the only
planet in need of Super assistance, Clark explained
blandly. And despite their marriage, Earth would not be
seeing more of Ultra Woman. She and Superman would continue
to conduct their marriage out of the public eye.

"And as for the woman claimed by the Star to be Superman's
wife..." Ultra Woman added, with an amused glance at Clark,
"I know my husband would not remotely be interested in her."

The conference over, Clark floated gently into the air
again, though once they were above the Planet roof he
turned their bodies so that Lois was held prone underneath
him. In that position, should anyone see them, it would
certainly look as if both were flying, he thought.

*************

It did; Lois and Clark looked with some amusement later at
the photograph Jimmy had managed to take with his telephoto
lens, to accompany the exclusive Superman and Ultra Woman
interview Lane and Kent had for the Planet. Lois and Clark
had enjoyed composing the piece, knowing that it would put
an end to speculation which had gone on for long before
this story had broken: did Superman have a girlfriend, did
he find Earth women attractive, and so on. With any luck it
also ought to stop ludicrous claims from women asserting
that they had slept with him; the Star's would-be wife had
been exposed as a fake, put up to it by a crooked lawyer
and a freelance journalist.

"I should have known Ultra Woman would never have looked at
someone like me," Jimmy said sadly. "I mean, why should
she, when Superman was around."

"Oh, come on, Jimmy, you don't want to let Penny hear you
talking like that!" Lois chided, a little embarrassed; she
had found it somewhat embarrassing to be the target of
hero-worship during her first brief spell of duty as Ultra
Woman.

"Oh, I guess not," the young photographer admitted. "It's
just... well, she is kinda cute."

"Superman thinks so too," Clark observed, joining them. "In
fact, I should say he's pretty crazy about Ultra Woman."

"Oh, is he indeed?" Lois enquired once Jimmy had wandered
off. She cast her husband a glance through lowered lashes.
"And does he show her how crazy he is about her?"

"Oh, I hope so," Clark replied, amused.

"Think he'd care to show her tonight?" Lois murmured

"I should think that could be arranged," Clark answered,
winking at his wife as he returned to his desk.

"I'll look forward to it..."

- the end -

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I'm probably a bit late with this, but if we're suddenly into old English,
how
about some Chaucer:

A Supes ther was and that a worthy man,
That fro the time that he first bigan
To flyen out he loved to assaye
Trouthe and rightness and Amerikan way.
An "S" it on his brest of steele sheene,
He was aferd eek of a rock of grene.
And ther was Lois, she a fresshe wight
Who'd wreken wrechednesse whan so that she might;
And Superman he kept her fro the foo
(Acordaunt for a Superman to do).
She wiste noght the way of temperaunce,
And whan they turned their wittes to daliaunce
Yfinde they chiertee as housbonde and wyf
For heste of eterne blisful lyf!

I knew that A-level would come in handy some day; but if anyone wants to go
further back please bear in mind that my Latin is very rusty!

Frances
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>I'm probably a bit late with this, but if we're suddenly into old English,
>how
>about some Chaucer:
Well, I think Chaucer was Middle English, so I'll go a little further
back to the Old English prosody:

A world in need of . awe and wondrous deeds
saw dawn one fine day . deliver hero-
a Super-man born . beneath burning sun
red- reared as a man . of fine Kansas roots
Wanderer scholar . skop of distant soil
Clark Kent of Krypton . by way of Kansas
to Daily Planet's . printing presses came
seeking something rare . Startled by the eyes
beautiful brown eyes . of reporter bold -
byline - Lois Lane . Clark Kent lost his heart
and found his soul-mate . in single sudden
glance She gave him hope . and made him hover
and most important . inspired inception
of body hugging . bold blue and royal red
His merry mother . made cape and costume
And so Superman . soared over city
and saved the shuttle . Lois Lane sighed and
swooned and Clark Kent just . suffered in silence

Sorry- it's bad, I know, but I had the rules handy and I couldn't
resist. (The rules go something like this: Each line must consist of
five syllables, caesura, and another five syllables. There must be at
least three alliterations per line, at least one on either side of the
caesura. Only hyphens and apostrophes may be used for punctuation.)

At least I didn't attempt any sort of rhyme scheme ;)

Misha
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Frances said ... uh ... something:
>>A Supes ther was and that a worthy man,
That fro the time that he first bigan
To flyen out he loved to assaye
Trouthe and rightness and Amerikan way.
An "S" it on his brest of steele sheene,

And, then Misha said ... um ... something else:
>>A world in need of . awe and wondrous deeds
saw dawn one fine day . deliver hero-
a Super-man born . beneath burning sun
red- reared as a man . of fine Kansas roots
Wanderer scholar . skop of distant soil
Clark Kent of Krypton . by way of Kansas<<

This is all *very* impressive.  Puts to shame my Camden, NJ education.
Maybe we should have an L&C Poetry Slam.

Sandy
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I'm trying to get caught up on my mail before leaving for the weekend --
I just deleted all the Godzilla posts, figuring that it was probably too
late to reply to that one.  A couple of things ...

1.  Feedback -- I'll agree with what's been said so far -- as an author,
I love getting feedback of any sort at any time.  And as a reader, I
probably don't write as much feedback as I should.  Part of this is
because I tend to read fanfic when I'm too tired to write, so I finish
the story and say "I'll write to the author tomorrow."  But like all
those Godzilla posts, tomorrow never comes.

But I also like to get feedback as a proofreader.  When I get a draft of
a story, and then spend the next couple of days going over it with the
proverbial fine tooth comb, I like to hear whether the author is thinks
my ideas have merit or not.  I try to get back to my proofreaders,
usually by sending them back the same file they sent me, with each
comment marked "Done!" or "Don't want to."  It seems to me to be the
least I can do, given the amount of work the proofreader puts into the
story.  I don't like thinking that my proofreaders might end up
comparing the final draft with their comments and wondering why I didn't
do what they told me to.

2.  Sandy's review of Paradise Lost

Weeks ago, Sandy reviewed Paradise Lost.  Of course, I have comments,
and of course, I can defend everyone of my decisions. <g>  In fact,
since some of the things Sandy objected to are things that I bullied my
co-writer Pat into doing, I suppose in all fairness to Pat, I'd better
respond.

First,though, if there is anyone who hasn't read it yet, or wants to
look at it again,  "Paradise Lost" can be found on my website:
<http://www.erols.com/nightsky/plost.txt> and should be up on the main
fanfic archives soon.  (I'm working on trying to get all the TUFS
stories into the archives.)

Sandra McDermin wrote:
>>
> As I remembered from my last read through, I was immediately struck by
some
> general similarities in theme and even little asides to my own virtual
> episode, [...]  For instance, both
> stories had as a sub-theme the issue of money, both used the imagery of
the
> sun, both made a joke of the Titanic film as well as junk food such as
Ding
> Dongs and Ho Hos....  The psychic friends network has nothing on us!

The sun?  Did we use the imagery of the sun?  I can't remember.  (I
guess I'd better go reread the story, to have it fresh in my mind!)  I
used the imagery of the earth, so much that my sister (who was one of my
alpha-readers) started calling it "your dirt story."  The earth as a
poisonous entity, as well as a life giving resource.  The earth as a
symbol of the roots people put down in Smallville.

> Secondly, why were the perpetrators still hanging around?  I got the
> impression, at the beginning of the story, that they were making their
last
> visit to the Sowerby farm.  Shouldn't they have been long gone?  No one
> would have been able to trace them as far as I could see (more on that
> later).  Shouldn't they have covered up the hole where they dumped the
> toxic waste?

At the beginning when they were talking about how the long term effects
were beginning to be seen, they said they it will take two more months
for them to fufill all their contracts, and then they can find a new
place.  So I would guess that they still had people bringing toxic waste
to them there.

> Thirdly, Lois' interest in the Sowerby farm seemed above and beyond.  I
> know that she supposedly has a nose for news, but she seemed almost
> obsessed to the point of taking pictures and doing library research
> (without Jimmy!) for no apparent reason.

Now, Sandy, you should know that the reason we had Lois doing library
research was because both Pat and I are librarians. <g>  We'd talked
about having Lois compare the microfilm in the Smallville library with
the computers at the Planet.

No one mentioned one of the possible stumbling blocks in this story.
How would Clark (who would never spy on his parents) find out about
their financial woes?  The e-mail advertisement for the "Internet Spy"
is actually one that I got at work!  So we decided to use it, and it
functioned as a bit of a private joke between us, since we'd both been
amused (and amazed) at the amount of information available on the Daily
Planet computers!

>
> Fourth, why was Frannie aka Rebecca Sowerby in Smallville?  I don't recall
> her explaining this.

Ah, this gets into "scenes left on the cutting room floor."  Writing for
TUFS gave us two things: a deadline, which we just made, and a size
limitation, which I was very conscious of.  Craig didn't use a mailing
list for the Krypton Club; he sends all of these out manually in what is
apparently a very laborous process.  "Paradise Lost" was the longest
TUFS story to date, and I was very worried about Craig's reaction when
he saw how long it was getting.

So, given the fact that we were running out of time, and that it was
getting too long, we started cutting scenes.  We never developed the
aforementioned library scene for instance, and we cut the scene where
Frannie would come to dinner at the Kents.  We planned for a nice
neighborly dinner (she was new in town, after all), an super-excuse or
two for Clark, and a chance to find that Frannie had always dreamed of
living in a small, country town.  Some residuual memory, drawing her
back to her roots.

> > I was willing to suspend all disbelief, but not when
> > she proceeded to rattle off the names of her kidnappers.  She was a
> > traumatized 4 year old when snatched.  I can't see how she could have
> > remembered them so readily.  (Of course, this would help in
identification.
> > Lucky she was there.)

Pat left this one for me, huh?  (Gee, thanks!)  We wondered how much a
non-traumatized four year old would remember in the normal sense.  Why
wouldn't she go up to the first person she saw and say "These bad people
stole me from my Mommy and Daddy"?  My four-year-old certainly would.  I
couldn't stomach a story about cruelty to children; we weren't going to
keep her locked up in a cellar for ten years or anything.  We wanted to
get her adopted and happy as soon as possible.

So we traumatized her.  Seeing her father hand her over to the bad guys
or something put her in shock.  That's why she didn't say anthing whenit
happend, but all the memories were there, under the surface.  The
memories had begun to come back when she went back to the farm; then
seeing Medlock again opened the floodgates.

>
> 2) The Kent farm:  I wonder about the concluding developments here.  Would
> it really only take one to two years for the chemicals to disappear from
> the soil?  Even so, wouldn't Jonathan have to jump through a lot of hoops
> to get back in the market?  Wouldn't he have a difficult time finding
> buyers later considering that the poisoning of the area soil was big news?

Now this was a sticky point.  Pat's original idea included the Kent's
financial woes, the haunted house, the kidnapped girl, and the
kidnappers still being in Smallville.  I came up with the idea of the
toxic waste dump to tie it all together.  It was all going fine, and I
was merrily writing away, when Pat's husband pointed out that toxic
waste wouldn't act like that -- merely poisoning crops.   Farm animals
would also be dying, people would be getting sick, Lois was there and
pregnant -- this just wouldn't do.

Mike even came up with an alterate scenario.  He suggested that they
were dumping experimental synthetic fertilizer, that was actually
depleting the soils of necessary minerals, or something.

I felt it would take four pages just to explain the synthetic fertilizer
thing to the user and that this was supposed to be a *television*
episode, for heaven's sake!  Everybody knew what toxic waste was --
poison, bad, Mr. Yuck personified!  (Besides, I didn't want to have to
rewrite the parts I'd already finished!)

Pat said that it wouldn't take four pages and, besides, we had an
obligation to be scientifically accurate.  (Pat would never get a job
with Brad and Eugenie!)

Then I found a quote in one of my books about Toxic Waste.  "There is no
known way to determine the effects of toxins on life with the infinite
possible combinations that exist in toxic waste sites.  Simply put, no
one knows. [...] It is sufficient to say that most scientists agree
cancer is at the top of the list."

So I figured that I could have Toxic Waste do whatever I wanted it to.
(Although there were a lot of experimental chemicals and synthetics in
that hole)  And if the EPA says damage will be repaired in a couple of
years, so be it.  And if not, and if the farm is unsellable, I guess
Jonathan and Martha will have to retire a few years early.  My
Grandfather spent his last years getting paid by the government to leave
his farm fallow.

> (I can't identify Genevieve so easily, except when Lois
> talks about getting rid of her doctor<g>.)

The only thing I talk about more than Lois and Clark is how much I
dislike the medical establishment!

We are on our way up to New Jersey for the weekend; my eight-year-old
daughter really, really wanted to see the Statue of Liberty this
summer.  But it's going to be HOT!! We'll be seeking cooler weather by
heading for Western New York (Ithaca, Corning, Rochester) in August if
there are any FoLCs up there who would like to get together and talk
L&C.

And I want to thank Wendy for sending me some new fanfic to read this
weekend; it's printing out as I type.

See you all Sunday.

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Hi

If you are moving this to private, please include me in - as you see I too
am a UKer!

Jenny

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At 10:59 22/07/98 EST, you wrote:
><< Unless we are all on the East coast, what I suggest we do is decide on
a day
>and a time (of course) that incorporates all the time zones within a
reasonable
>range. >>
>
>I am on the East coast, but it seems that there are at least a few UK
folcs who
>want to take part, too. I'm not sure the time difference- but someone
suggested
>it might be 5 hrs, and, as long as we start early enough at night, that
should
>be okay.
>
><< Laurie will be away from the 29th to the 5th, so we could try the
weekend of
>the July 25th, the weekend of the August 8th, or a weeknight in between --
No
>weekdays, please.  Can't do.  (How's that for narrowing it down; okay I'm
>hopelessly indecisive. ; ) >>
>
>July 25th would be best for me, though I could probably do August 5th as
well.
>
>Also, after collecting everyone who wants to be involved, we should
probably
>move our Learning to IRC plans to private e-mail. Probably all of the
old-time
>IRCers will soon be getting a little tired of our plans, if they're not
>already. :)
>
>-Christy
> kubitc@kenyon.edu
> Attalanta on IRC
>
>
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Lois: In one lousy second, I lost my partner and my best friend. He died
without knowing. I never told him.                      - ToGoM

Wells: Destiny has blessed you both with each other. No small gift indeed.
There's many people who travel alone through, well, their whole lives and
envy what you two have together . . . greatly.          - Soul Mates
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Thanks for the comments on my "Look...!" effort. I've thought of another
but, not having a book of Willie the Shake here at home, I'm stumped after
combining...

                        "Oh, Clarkeo, Sweet Clarkeo, Wherefore art thou,
Clarkeo?
                Is it better to suffer the slings and arrows of your
outrageous
                excuses for your disappearances, or, [by something
them,...?]"

and I can't remember any of the rest, and it doesn't help that I keep
thinking of Lawrence Harvey's strip tease scene in The Magic Christian...

Next?

Debby
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If your looking for the next part of the line from Hamlet, it is "..or
to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them."
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Hiya, people!  Debby said:

>
>                         "Oh, Clarkeo, Sweet Clarkeo, Wherefore art thou,
Clarkeo?
>                 Is it better to suffer the slings and arrows of your
outrageous
>                 excuses for your disappearances, or, [by something
them,...?]"

    This is more Hamlet, Debby, than Romeo and Juliet.... but I forgive
you...    I'll add a little to this...

       Clark:   To ask, or not to ask, that is the question
                   Whether tis nobler in my mind to suffer
                   The slings and arrows of outrageous opponents
                   Or to take arms against a sea of Scardinos, Lexes and
Deters
                   And by opposing, end them? (I wish!)
                   To love, to sleep no more, and by a sleep,
                    to say we end
                    The heart-ache, and the thousand natural questions
                    That Lois is heir to; tis a inquistion
                    Devoutly to be feared.
                    To love, to sleep, to sleep...
                    Perchance to dream, aye there's the rub
                    For in that sleep of love what heavy dreams may come

                    And I'll leave the rest of this passage to the rest of
the FOLC's imaginations..........*G*
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-----Original Message-----
From: Debby Stark <debby@SWCP.COM>
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Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: Fic Idea That's Shakespearean & Feedback

>Thanks for the comments on my "Look...!" effort. I've thought of another
>but, not having a book of Willie the Shake here at home, I'm stumped after
>combining...
>
>                        "Oh, Clarkeo, Sweet Clarkeo, Wherefore art thou,
Clarkeo?
>                Is it better to suffer the slings and arrows of your
outrageous
>                excuses for your disappearances, or, [by something
them,...?]"
>
>and I can't remember any of the rest, and it doesn't help that I keep
>thinking of Lawrence Harvey's strip tease scene in The Magic Christian...
>
>Next?
>
>Debby
>Debby@swcp.com<

*****************

Although I'm sure there are others, a good Shakespeare website with all the
Bard's plays and poerty (plus a search engine) is:

http://www.gh.cs.usyd.edu.au/~matty/Shakespeare/index.html

I recommend it.

However, regarding your recitation above, I believe you have mixed two
famous scenes from two famous plays:  the balcony scene from Romeo and
Juliet (which I quoted in my story, Taken, in reference to the names Kal-El
and Clark, i.e., it didn't matter what his name was as he was still the same
person.) and Hamlet's famous soliloquy where he debates whether he should
act against his Uncle/Stepfather Claudius:

Sandy
*******************

Act II, Scene II

 JULIET
                 O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?
                 Deny thy father and refuse thy name;
                 Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
                 And I'll no longer be a Capulet.
 ROMEO
                 [Aside] Shall I hear more, or shall I speak at this?
 JULIET
                 'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
                 Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
                 What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
                 Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
                 Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
                 What's in a name? that which we call a rose
                 By any other name would smell as sweet;
                 So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
                 Retain that dear perfection which he owes
                 Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
                 And for that name which is no part of thee
                 Take all myself.

****************************
Act III, Scene 1

HAMLET
                          To be, or not to be: that is the question:
                          Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
                          The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
                          Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
                          And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
                          No more; and by a sleep to say we end
                          The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
                          That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
                          Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
                          To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
                          For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
                          When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
                          Must give us pause: there's the respect
                          That makes calamity of so long life;
                          For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
                          The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
                          The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
                          The insolence of office and the spurns
                          That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
                          When he himself might his quietus make
                          With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
                          To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
                          But that the dread of something after death,
                          The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
                          No traveller returns, puzzles the will
                          And makes us rather bear those ills we have
                          Than fly to others that we know not of?
                          Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
                          And thus the native hue of resolution
                          Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
                          And enterprises of great pith and moment
                          With this regard their currents turn awry,
                          And lose the name of action.--Soft you now!
                          The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
                          Be all my sins remember'd.
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In a message dated 23/07/98 20:09:56 GMT, Sandy writes:

<<  This is all *very* impressive.  Puts to shame my Camden, NJ education.
 Maybe we should have an L&C Poetry Slam. >>

Maybe you need to suffer - er ... benefit from - an English education to
understand that lot (although I hear some examining boards are dropping
Chaucer now).  A poetry slam sounds like fun.

Anyway, since I'm probably the closest folc to Stratford-upon-Avon (unless
anyone can beat 16 miles) I couldn't let this rest.  Here's Lex as Orsino in
the opening speech from Twelfth Night:

If the Pathetique Sonata be the Chinese food of love, play on,
Give me excess of it, that, surfeiting,
The appetite may sicken, and so be carried to the bedroom.
That strain again!  It had a dying fall until Superman saved it.
O, it came o'er my ear like the sweet sound
That breathes upon a dockload of Revenge,
Stealing and giving odour.  Enough, no more!
'Tis not as sweet now as it was before.
O Superman how quick and flash art thou,
That, notwithstanding thy capacity
To rescueth as the emergency services, no bullet enters thee,
Of what validity and pitch soe'er,
But bounces off thy skisuit of low price
Even in a nanosecond.  So full of shapes is jealousy
That I alone am highly fanatical.

I went a bit mad last night and totally rewrote the first two scenes (even
Shakespeare needs an editor occasionally<g>) but I'll spare you that for
now.
I may just rewrite the whole play.

Frances
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Inspired by the efforts of others - both literary and FoLC.

When the hearts of the Heroes lay dying;
When the Brotherhood sank to a few;
In an Age without cloaking or flying,
He took up his Cloak, and he Flew!
        ~Real Men and Real Cigars,  Rudyard Kipling

No, mon cher Hastings, the secret identity was no secret to the little
grey cells.  The truth was evident to me even before the pilot.  And
Lois Lane — nom d’un nom d’un nom — she is indeed of a stupidity
galactique.
        ~The Mysterious Missing Brain,  Agatha Christie

For each man kills the show he loves,
   To serve or spite his plans:
One moves it to a graveyard slot
   Among the also-rans;
Another does it by mistake,
   And blames it on the fans.
        ~The Ballad of Reading Intoit,  Oscar Wilde

Bring me my man of burning steel!
    Bring me my by-lines of desire!
Bring me my Kerth!   O Clark, get real!
    Bring me my Cherokee of fire!
        ~Loisalem:  William Blake
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At 02:58 PM 7/23/98 -0500, Misha wrote:

[snip]

>Well, I think Chaucer was Middle English, so I'll go a little further
>back to the Old English prosody:
>
>A world in need of . awe and wondrous deeds
>saw dawn one fine day .

[snip]

>Sorry- it's bad, I know,

I was going to say "maudlin" but first went to the kitchen to fix myself
some dinner, during which time I realized the real, better, more accurate
descriptor is "epic." The tale is epic, should be treated that way, and
sometimes archaic(?) forms of the language can transmit the awe and wonder
better than our know-it-all, even jaded version of English.

Good work!

Debby
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At 01:17 PM 7/23/98 -0400, Frances the C wrote:

[snip]

>I knew that A-level would come in handy some day

You're A Number One with us!

>but if anyone wants to go
>further back please bear in mind that my Latin is very rusty!

I'm thinking next Greek->English for an Oddessy or some other epic (see
other post).

Debby
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who, however, won't do it
cuz I'm more into commedy
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At 07:47 PM 7/23/98 -0500, Joseph B. wrote:

>Hiya, people!  Debby said:

[snip]

>    This is more Hamlet, Debby, than Romeo and Juliet.... but I forgive
>you...

Thanks! I knew once I wrote it that I was mixing them up... but fortunately
for me, Lois is such a strong character (well, to me she can be) that
giving her some of Hamlet's lines isn't too out of character :)

>I'll add a little to this...

>       Clark:   To ask, or not to ask, that is the question

[snip, though maybe he would say "To tell, or not to tell, that is..."]

>                    The heart-ache, and the thousand natural questions
>                    That Lois is heir to; tis a inquistion
>                    Devoutly to be feared.

particularly if he got to tell her as he planned ;)

[more snips]

Yours is a quite good refashioning! Excellent creative work all :D

Debby
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Frustration is the thing with tights and cape
by Lois Lane

     (with apologies to everyone, including Emily Dickinson)

Frustration is the thing with tights and cape
That breaks thru doors and walls,
And sings of truth by word and deed,
But seldom stops to call.

And surest in the storm is he;
And sore must be the storm
Which could abash my surging ... heart
That tried to keep him warm.

I've waited amidst the darkest hour,
And issued a most urgent plea;
Yet, never ... *even upon bestowing a god darn white flower*,
He begged a kiss of me.

~~~~~~

Well, Frances, if you think a poetry slam would be fun -- you're going to
have to organize it, call for teams, and set the rules. ; )
Sandy
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In message <001501bdb6f4$cb559160$6b4a48a6@oemcomputer>, salymc
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>
>Well, Frances, if you think a poetry slam would be fun -- you're going to
>have to organize it, call for teams, and set the rules. ; )

Is this a serious idea? 'Cause it would be good .... just my humble
opinion ....

Angee
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Debby -- don't give up on the Greeks ---How about a Lysistrata/ L & C cross.
It may not be poetry, but it is "commedy".
Carol
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>>You tease - the 'live one *has* to be her 'Maria' in West Side Story', as
>>part of SNL - must dash off to re-watch Toy Story!
>>>>>
>>>>><< And for those interested in Trivia...name the two
>>>>> acting performances of Teri Hatcher which involved
>>>>> a storyline based upon Romeo & Juliet (Hint: both TV)
>>>>>  >>
>>>>(Hint:One was before L&C and the other was during L&C.)
>>>>
>>>Okay more hints: The 2nd one was live. The 1st was an occupation
>>>that Lois had to use in Toy Story.
>>>

Another hint for the 1st one: Teri was the same thing that
she called her husband in Big Girls Don't Fly.

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In a message dated 24/07/98 12:26:26 GMT, Sandy writes:

<<  Well, Frances, if you think a poetry slam would be fun -- you're going
to
 have to organize it, call for teams, and set the rules. ; ) >>

Organize?  Teams?  Rules?!!  Not concepts with which I have more than a
passing acquaintance.<g>

I don't think "poetry slam" is a term used much in England - or maybe I'm
just
hanging out in the right places - so I was thinking more along the lines of:
 "If anyone feels like writing some L&C poetry and sending it to the list,
and
no one else objects, why not?"  Strict enough?
I really don't *do* rules, but if I'm setting any I'd say make the poems
funny
and preferably rhyming.

Or since I've just read Debby's message (Nice to see the puns don't improve,
Debby: What was Dawning 8 ... Re-Vaulting Developments?<g>) how about seeing
how many puns someone can get into one shortish piece?  I'm not even going
to
attempt that one!

As for American poets/playwrights, the 16th century (or earlier) American
writers were ... ? <bg>

Frances
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At 07:35 PM 7/23/98 -0500, Elizabeth Eve Davis wrote to me...

>If your looking for the next part of the line from Hamlet, it is "..or
>to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them."

Thanks!

Hmm... Okay, so I wrote originally:

                "Oh, Clarkeo, Sweet Clarkeo, Wherefore art thou, Clarkeo?
                Is it better to suffer [in my mind?] the slings and arrows
of
                your outrageous excuses for your disappearances, or,

thanks to EED, add:

                "or to to take him by the arms against his tsunami of
                'I gotta go pick up's the never-ending like, and,
                by opposing my** lips to his--end them."

**keeping in mind this is Lois protesting mightily.

                ...exit all stage right toward bedroom

There have also got to be great Shakespeare parts for Perry (someone
blustery but wise), Jimmy (Ophelia's dad in Hamlet comes to mind for some
reason... for his advice probably), the elder Kents and Lanes, etc.
Preferably from a comedy.

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To go along with Lois and Clark poetry that has been sent out lately,
here's something I wrote as a creative assignment for an English class
nearly 2 yrs ago. It's not in Shakespearean English (except for a "thee"
which I used for rhyming ;) With apologies to my two main writer-models,
Shakespeare (for sonnet 130) and Sidney (for the surprising turns at the
ends of his sonnets)...

To Lois: A Sonnet

Please don't look at me in the same old way,
I'm not just a farmboy with a heart full of hay,
I love you, dear Lois, what more can I say?
But your heart loves another, one who can fly,
And now I must tell you- I don't mean to lie-
The honest truth about this other guy.
He's not what you think, though you know him "so well,"
You deserve to know but I have uncertainties to quell:
You must love me *for me* before I can tell.
I should say it now- it's a disguise you see
When the man in the cape flies over to thee.
I must tell you, Lois, there's much more to me...
So look closely, my dear, see if you can,
Please look in my eyes- I'm Superman.

-Christy
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
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At 11:43 AM 7/24/98 -0400, Gary wrote:

>Another hint for the 1st one: Teri was the same thing that
>she called her husband in Big Girls Don't Fly.

A husband stealer...?

Debby
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unless you're talking about *Lois,*
in which case she'd call her husband
"You idiot! Leaving me to go with *them*???"
Although, of course, these scenes were cut in
favor of the A plot...
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At 08:42 PM 7/24/98 -0600, you wrote:
>At 11:43 AM 7/24/98 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>>Another hint for the 1st one: Teri was the same thing that
>>she called her husband in Big Girls Don't Fly.
>
>A husband stealer...?
>
No. Let's omit the 'called' part.

Teri's character was the same thing as Jon's character
in BGDF. Teri's character had the occupation which Lois
used to save the day in Toy Story.

So ask yourself these questions:
What was Ching?
(Hint: Ching says it himself.)
How did Lois save the day in Toy Story?
(Hint: It happens more than once in the episode.)
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---"C.C. Malo" <Ccmalo@AOL.COM> wrote:
>
> Debby -- don't give up on the Greeks ---How about a Lysistrata/ L &
C cross.
> It may not be poetry, but it is "commedy".
> Carol
>
this is a good suggestion, i've read Lysistrata recently but I
wouldn't know how to mix L&C into them.
Judging from Lois's personality, she could be the leader of the women,
(then we'd have to name the play:
Loistrata :) but Clark doesn't seem like the guy who'd go off to war
and leave his *beautiful* wife at home aching for him <eg>
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From: Frances Coogan <FCoogan106@AOL.COM>
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Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 3:43 PM
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>In a message dated 24/07/98 12:26:26 GMT, Sandy writes:
><<  Well, Frances, if you think a poetry slam would be fun -- you're going
to have to organize it, call for teams, and set the rules. ; ) >>

>Organize?  Teams?  Rules?!!  Not concepts with which I have more than a
passing acquaintance.<g>

Ah-h-h, one of those free spirit types, heh?  I'm sorry we can't have that
here.<g>

>I don't think "poetry slam" is a term used much in England - or maybe I'm
just hanging out in the right places - so I was thinking more along the
lines of:  "If anyone feels like writing some L&C poetry and sending it to
the list, and no one else objects, why not?"  Strict enough? I really don't
*do* rules, but if I'm setting any I'd say make the poems funny and
preferably rhyming.<

Well, I'm not intimately familiar with the term either.  We're just passing
acquaintances.  However, for those who are even more unfamiliar than I am, a
poetry slam is a competition.  Competitions usually have rules, teams, etc.
What happens is, at least two teams of "poets" take turns reciting -- or in
this case -- posting poetry.  The poems are rated by judges or the audience
based upon the poems, themselves, and the manner in which they are delivered
earning points for each side which are totalled for the win.  Of course, on
a list such as this one, recitation is out.<g>

My last experience observing a poetry slam was some months ago at a Borders
Bookstore in downtown Washington.  Two teams from a couple of local high
schools were there, and it was very lively and surprisingly exciting to
listen to.  I hung around much longer than I thought I would considering
that I'm not the biggest fan of poetry.

>As for American poets/playwrights, the 16th century (or earlier) American
writers were ... ? <bg><

Very funny, Frances.  Considering that a few centuries have come and gone
since the 16th, that verbal expression didn't end at that point, and that
the U.S. has produce one or two world class poets and playwrights in the
interim, I don't see why an American writer could not be flattered by
imitation.

Sandy
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Hello,

Saturday July 25 will be our first  IRC tutorial.  If you haven't signed up
for the session it isn't to late.  Just email me privately and I will give
the
time and location.

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> From: Grace Wong <lois1979@YAHOO.COM>
> To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Greek epics and dramas and comedies (was:Fic Idea
That'sShakespearean)
> Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 11:14 PM
>
> ---"C.C. Malo" <Ccmalo@AOL.COM> wrote:
> >
> > Debby -- don't give up on the Greeks ---How about a Lysistrata/ L &
> C cross.
Grace wrote:

> Judging from Lois's personality, she could be the leader of the women,
> (then we'd have to name the play:
> Loistrata :)

LOL, Grace!  If the play is *half* as clever as the title, it should be
hysterical!

> but Clark doesn't seem like the guy who'd go off to war
> and leave his *beautiful* wife at home aching for him <eg>

He didn't really *want* to go, but in BGDF he went off to war and left his
beautiful fiancee at home aching for him  ;)

Pat

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Guys

Sorry to disturb the rest of you - but I had to leave the session in a big
hurry - no time for netiqette - so apologies, and thanks to all for the
great tutoral

Thanksd for giving your time so generously

Jenny

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                        jmills@ccta.gov.uk

Lois: In one lousy second, I lost my partner and my best friend. He died
without knowing. I never told him.                      - ToGoM

Wells: Destiny has blessed you both with each other. No small gift indeed.
There's many people who travel alone through, well, their whole lives and
envy what you two have together . . . greatly.          - Soul Mates
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:43:42 EST
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For quite some time I've been searching for a new job.  I was reformatting
my resume (yet again) this morning and I found an on-line resume builder
to help me assemble a scannable resume. There was a sample resume from
which to obtain ideas.  This is what was written

NAME:  Clark Kent

ADDRESSES:
(HOME):
1001 Main Street
Apt 321
Metropolis, M  43211-0000

(WORK):
The Daily Planet
Journalism Dept.
100 Planet Ave.
Metropolis, M 43200-0000

PHONE NUMBERS

Home:  (612) 555-3221
Work:  (612) 555-3000
FAX:  (612) 555-1000

e-mail address:  ckent@dplanet.com

OBJECTIVE: (one or two sentence description of the type of employment or
position you desire. )

A fast-paced job in journalism that expands and builds upon my skills
as an experienced reporter.

EDUCATION:

School:  Metropolis University
Major:  Journalism
Degree:  B.A.
Year Grad.:  1988
GPA:  3.75

School:  Smallville High School
Major:  English
Degree:  H.S.
Year Grad.:  1984
GPA:  3.8

EMPLOYMENT HISTORY:

Employer:  The Daily Planet
Job Title:  Reporter
From:  Sept 199 - present
Description of Duties:  Headline reporting for a major metropolitan
newspaper. Responsibilities include in-the-field reporting, writing and
editing front page stories, and working closely with other reporters in
covering the daily events of the world.

Employer:  Smallville Gazette
Job Title:  Editor
From:  Oct 1989 - Sept 199
Description of Duties:  Head Editor and Chief for the Smallville Gazette.
Managed a team of four reporters, plus oversight of typesetting and
delivery of a newspaper with a subscription of over 600 loyal readers.
Also managed fundraising and finances.

Employer:  Smallville Pizza Plaza
Job Title:  Delivery Person
From: June 198 - Aug 198
Description of Duties:  Delivery of hot, fresh, pizza to customers'
doorstep.
Never delivered a pizza late.

Employer:  Smallville Red Cross
Job Title: (left blank)
From:  July 1982 - Jun 198
Description of Duties: First-aid and CPR instruction, swimming and
water-safety instruction. Member of the Smallville National Disaster team.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
Use this area to write any additional information you may wish to include
on your resume (e.g. - additional skills, strengths, abilities, etc.)

In addition to my experience and abilities as a reporter, and
background with the Red Cross, I can also leap tall buildings in a
single bound, fly faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than
a locomotive, have X-ray vision, and super-hearing.

Needless to say, I had a good laugh when I saw this.  Then, I started
thinking about the Pilot episode, so I popped my tape into the VCR to
rewatch a part of it (okay, I rewatched all of it ;) ).   I paid
particular attention to the initial interview that Clark had with Perry,
and I noticed that Perry seemed to have several resumes on his desk that
morning as he picked Clark's out of the pile.  Perry seemed non-comittal
when he read Clark's resume and it was as though Clark had the interview
only because Professor Carlton had called Perry about Clark.

I wondered....what exactly was on Clark's resume besides being editor for
the Smallville Press.  I'm assuming that Clark's sojourn to Jamaica was on
there as well (the illegal arms story from Baron Sunday).  But what else?
His porfolio had the story about the "Mating Habits of the Knob-Tailed
Gecko", but what did his RESUME have to offer?

Does anyone know of a fanfic that has addressed this issue even in
passing?

Lisa M. Ramirez
ramirez@estuary.amrl.odu.edu

The problem in government isn't so much nonessential spending
as nonessential spenders.
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>
>ADDRESSES:
>(HOME):
>1001 Main Street
>Apt 321
>Metropolis, M  43211-0000
>

Just out of interest ... did Clark ever live on Main Street? I don't
remember that.

Also I was wondering if there was a list of basic facts about Lois and
Clark .. you know address, birthdays and other little information that
would useful as a point of reference when writing fan fiction!!

Hope there is!! :-)

Angee
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>Guys
>
Sorry to disturb the rest of you - but I had to leave the session in a big
hurry - no time for netiqette - so apologies, and thanks to all for the
great tutoral
>
>Thanksd for giving your time so generously
>
>Jenny<<

Jenny and the Others who participated today:

(Sorry you had to leave, Jenny)

The session started at approx. 1:00 and lasted til almost 5:30!
Unfortunately, my log begins at 2:30.  (Ugh!)  Did someone more experienced
with IRC logging begin earlier?  If not, I guess I will work with this one,
and I'll add all the topics we spoke about before that.

To everyone else:

We had a lot of fun and learned so much from Annie, Anne, Crystal and Pam.
It was a very worthwhile experience. We are hoping to get together again for
a refresher on August 15 at 1:00 p.m. ET (USA).  If any of you who have a
nodding acquaintance with the IRC and who missed today's tutorial would like
to join us, please drop me a note.

Sandy
salymc@gateway.net
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Hello,

To all of the wonderful people who attended Saturday's Tutorial, I wanted to
tell you once again what quick learners you all where.  It was fun and
exciting to be with you all.  I loved seeing and being apart of your
enthusiasm.  This group will meet again on Sat. August 15 for a refresher
session.  I look forward to seeing how much more you have learned.  I hope
to
see you all soon in #Loiscla.

Also, if anyone else would like to be apart of another Tutorial let me know
privately.
I am available to start a new Tutorial for any who could not make this one
today.

Annie Lansbury
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Hello,

Forgive me posting again, but I wanted to thank the Wonderful Folcs who came
to help me with the Tutorial.  They were... AMCiotola, JCWimmer (CrystalW)
and
ChiefPam.

Ladies you were Great!!  Thank you once again for being there.  I hope each
of
you can make the next one.

Annie Lansbury
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From:         Debby Stark <debby@SWCP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Teri's Romeo and Juliet Appearances
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At 11:54 PM 7/24/98 -0400, Gary wrote:

>So ask yourself these questions:
>What was Ching?
>(Hint: Ching says it himself.)

hmm... an actor in need of a job? No, no, I know! A man so desperate to see
what his wife was doing that he risk alienating (sic) all the FoLCs by
being yet another in the long line of characters to keep L&C apart.
However, he was saved by his wooden... no, wood has more
character--lifeless portrayal...

>How did Lois save the day in Toy Story?
>(Hint: It happens more than once in the episode.)

She kneed someone in the crotch? No, not the 4th season Lois... She conned
HGWells into bringing AltClark back so she'd... umm, not on primetime, only
violence is allowed on prime time. So I'll go with the "kneed in the
crotch." So my answer is "Taming of the [one-time] Shrewd."

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who you can tell has no desire
to watch that episode again.
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At 08:41 AM 7/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Debby -- don't give up on the Greeks ---How about a Lysistrata/ L & C
cross.
>It may not be poetry, but it is "commedy".
>Carol

Ah... okay. They didn't teach us those in my impoverished Tulsa high
school. I'll pass the buck... or sword or olive branch or whatever on to
anyone else more knowledgeable in that literature than I am :)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
Good at the Goon Show...
but there were even fewer roles for women
there than in L&C...
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At 09:40 PM 7/23/98 -0400, Sandy McD wrote:

[snip; thanks for the search idea! :D ]

>However, regarding your recitation above, I believe you have mixed two
>famous scenes from two famous plays

So much for *that* high school education... is it too late (by 29 years
or so) to get my money back?

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
confounded
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At 01:18 AM 7/25/98 -0400, Sandy wrote:

[snip]

>>As for American poets/playwrights, the 16th century (or earlier) American
>writers were ... ? <bg><
>
>Very funny, Frances.

Actually, there were tons of poets among the Native Americans and a lot of
poetry and songs left from the Aztecs and from the early Spanish
settlers/conquerors, who had already settled (for as long as the locals
would let them) in New Mexico by the time the pilgrims struggled ashore on
the eastern part of the country.

However, I don't want to compare Quetzalcoatl and Kal-El.

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
who's taste in poetry
tends to run to Mason Williams,
the Beatles, and... and that's about it.
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At 07:10 PM 7/25/98 -0600, you wrote:
>At 11:54 PM 7/24/98 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>>So ask yourself these questions:
>>What was Ching?
>>(Hint: Ching says it himself.)
>
>hmm... an actor in need of a job? No, no, I know! A man so desperate to see
>what his wife was doing that he risk alienating (sic) all the FoLCs by
>being yet another in the long line of characters to keep L&C apart.

 "A love that risks nothing is worth nothing." Frankly, I wouldn't go back
and change the clone wedding arc or the New Krypton arc even if HG Wells
showed up on my doorstep. Not that I enjoyed them, on the contrary,
everytime I watch the end of BGDF it is extremely painful, but without
the pain how can you enjoy the good moments?

Now ABC's terrible promotion, that I would change...

>However, he was saved by his wooden... no, wood has more
>character--lifeless portrayal...
>

Lois: And Ching...you are?

Ching: Lieutenant, blah, blah, blah...

I think lieutenant is Latin for wooden....;-)

>>How did Lois save the day in Toy Story?
>>(Hint: It happens more than once in the episode.)
>
>She kneed someone in the crotch?

I must say for the record that Teri did that very well, I saw
it in her eyes. I remember yelling at the TV and Col. Cash
"Watch the knee!"

>No, not the 4th season Lois... She conned
>HGWells into bringing AltClark back so she'd... umm, not on primetime, only
>violence is allowed on prime time. So I'll go with the "kneed in the
>crotch." So my answer is "Taming of the [one-time] Shrewd."
>

Lois used a transporter to send a message/map to Clark,
the kids were napped using it in Toy Story.

Okay, Lieutenant + transporter = what TV show?

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In a message dated 98-07-25 23:31:53 EDT, you write:

<< She kneed someone in the crotch?

 I must say for the record that Teri did that very well, I saw
 it in her eyes. I remember yelling at the TV and Col. Cash
 "Watch the knee!" >>

I'm glad you brought that up, I was afraid that would be overlooked (not
that
Cash will likely forget it ;)   I was curisous about how violent Lois was
over
the years. So, I tried to compile a list of the times she hit, kicked,
slapped, kneed, elbowed or threw something at someone out of anger or to
protect herself.  I know this is the opposite of the "Kiss LIst" but if any
of
you remember something I left out, let me know and I'll add it to the list.
Remember, these are "physical" assaults on someone when Lois is either angry
or trying to defend herself.  Not playfully smacking Clark ;)

PILOT

Lois clobbers the thug with the tattoo

STRANGE VISITOR

Punches Trask

WITNESS

Lois had some of her best moves in this one.  Though none of her fights
saved
her, it did lead to a waffy hug scene on the floor with Clark ;)

IDES OF METROPOLIS

Well, Lois and Detective Reed square off, but nothing comes of it.

FLY HARD

Lois struggles with the bad guy before she falls off the scaffold.

2ND SEASON:

WALL OF SOUND

Clobbers one of the goons guarding the Stoke Club

THE SOURCE

Clothes-lines the bad guy in the subway station.

THE PRANKSTER

Kicks the Prankster right between the uprights<g>

THAT OLD GANG OF MINE

The famous Lois and Bonnie Parker piggyback fall in the cake fight ;)

CHI OF STEEL

Lois clobbers a bad guy and so fits in with the Mighty Morphin look of the
episode ;)

THE EYES HAVE IT

Gives Munch a roundhouse wallop that sends him sailing into the sofa.

TOP COPY

Great fight between Lois and Diana Stride

THE RETURN OF THE PRANKSTER

Slugs Victor, shoulda been Kyle

RESURRECTION

Beats up Scardino with a plunger, hits a thug with a shovel, runs the dwarf
into a pillar (I just liked typing that sentence) pulls a gun on another
thug
who's beating up Scardino

TEMPUS FUGITIVE

Beats the !@#$ out of Tempus (also slaps Clark ;)

TARGET: JIMMY OLSEN!

Life and death struggle with Jimmy (boy, what a temper the kid has ;)

INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY

Does the 'clothesline' stop of a bad guy again

3rd SEASON:

ORDINARY PEOPLE

Clobbers Heidi

WHEN IRISH EYES ARE KILLING

Kicks Patrick in the stomach

ULTRA WOMAN

turns a garbage can lid into a frisbie and clobbers Nell Newtrich.

VIRTUALLY DESTROYED

Repeatedly hits poor 'X' with flower vases<g>

THE DAD WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD

High kicks Sweet Tart in the jaw (has to, her hands are tied ;)

I NOW PRONOUNCE YOU...

Slugs the phony President, and with her Mom's help beats up the phony Secret
Service guy

DOUBLE JEOPARDY

Kicks Lex in the jaw (bonus points for spitting in his face ;)

OEDIPUS WRECKS

Smacks Deter in the nose

4th SEASON

BATTLEGROUND EARTH

The famous 'knee meets the inseam of Colonel Cash' scene ;)

SOUL MATES

Elbowed Tempus in the gut

BRUTAL YOUTH

Lois is out to protect her man, and really "man-handles" Dr. Dootsen ;)

DEAD LOIS WALKING

Lois, though "all tied up" manages to kick the bells in gear and clobber
Jefferson Cole.

LOIS & CLARKS

Lois smacks Tempus in the kisser ;)

AKA SUPERMAN

Lois thwaps Clark with chopsticks..no, wait that doesn't count ;) She blasts
open the door disabling the bad guy

SHADOW OF A DOUBT

Throws a lamp at "shadow man" (not that it did any good without the light on
;)

VOICE FROM THE PAST

Throws a whole plate of food in Leslie's face, plate and all!<g>

I'VE GOT YOU UNDER MY SKIN

Beats the crud out of Woody Samms body not knowing Clark is trapped inside
;)

Okay, those are the only ones I can think of.  If you can add some please
send
them to me, but remember, it's an action Lois takes to inflict harm, protect
herself, or to protect someone else.  It can be hitting, kicking, slapping,
use of a weapon, etc, or throwing an object.  Yelling, tantrums or
assaulting
inanimate objects (the garbage can in Wall of Sound) doesn't count ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (coming soon, all the times Lois was tied up, chained,
imprisoned, etc. and then how many times she was rescued and how many times
she did the rescuing and... ah, skip it ;)
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Zoomie

Thanks for this new list - definately 'one for the site' <g>

Jenny

At 04:00 26/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>
>I'm glad you brought that up, I was afraid that would be overlooked (not
that
>Cash will likely forget it ;)   I was curisous about how violent Lois was
over
>the years. So, I tried to compile a list of the times she hit, kicked,
>slapped, kneed, elbowed or threw something at someone out of anger or to
>protect herself.  I know this is the opposite of the "Kiss LIst" but if
any of
>you remember something I left out, let me know and I'll add it to the list.
>Remember, these are "physical" assaults on someone when Lois is either
angry
>or trying to defend herself.  Not playfully smacking Clark ;)
>
>PILOT
>

etc - not to fill up bandwidth <g>
>Lois clobbers the thug with the tattoo
>

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                        jmills@ccta.gov.uk

Lois: In one lousy second, I lost my partner and my best friend. He died
without knowing. I never told him.                      - ToGoM

Wells: Destiny has blessed you both with each other. No small gift indeed.
There's many people who travel alone through, well, their whole lives and
envy what you two have together . . . greatly.          - Soul Mates
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Annie

Thanks again for your help - I'll see you on 15th (if not before)

Jenny

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At 19:01 25/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>To all of the wonderful people who attended Saturday's Tutorial, I wanted
to
>tell you once again what quick learners you all where.  It was fun and
>exciting to be with you all.  I loved seeing and being apart of your
>enthusiasm.  This group will meet again on Sat. August 15 for a refresher
>session.  I look forward to seeing how much more you have learned.  I hope
to
>see you all soon in #Loiscla.
>
>Also, if anyone else would like to be apart of another Tutorial let me know
>privately.
>I am available to start a new Tutorial for any who could not make this one
>today.
>
>Annie Lansbury
>
>
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                        jmills@ccta.gov.uk

Lois: In one lousy second, I lost my partner and my best friend. He died
without knowing. I never told him.                      - ToGoM

Wells: Destiny has blessed you both with each other. No small gift indeed.
There's many people who travel alone through, well, their whole lives and
envy what you two have together . . . greatly.          - Soul Mates
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At 04:00 AM 7/26/98 -0400, you wrote:
> I was curisous about how violent Lois was over
>the years. So, I tried to compile a list of the times she hit, kicked,
>slapped, kneed, elbowed or threw something at someone out of anger or to
>protect herself.  I know this is the opposite of the "Kiss LIst" but if
any of
>you remember something I left out, let me know and I'll add it to the list.
>Remember, these are "physical" assaults on someone when Lois is either
angry
>or trying to defend herself.  Not playfully smacking Clark ;)
>

I don't think she ever broke a nail either...

>
>Okay, those are the only ones I can think of.  If you can add some please
send
>them to me, but remember, it's an action Lois takes to inflict harm,
protect
>herself, or to protect someone else.  It can be hitting, kicking, slapping,
>use of a weapon, etc, or throwing an object.  Yelling, tantrums or
assaulting
>inanimate objects (the garbage can in Wall of Sound) doesn't count ;)
>
>Zoomway@aol.com (coming soon, all the times Lois was tied up, chained,
>imprisoned, etc. and then how many times she was rescued and how many times
>she did the rescuing and... ah, skip it ;)
>

Is there a hug list?

Gary a MWWPTHTHKHITC

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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:40:49 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-26 11:48:07 EDT, you write:

<< Is there a hug list? >>

If you insist, but before anyone shouts "off topic" I have to say that
LOISCLA
is down again (no surprise) so this is a perfectly legitimate post ;)

1rst SEASON

PILOT

Lois and Clark impulsively hug when a hunch pans out ;)

STRANGE VISITOR

Lois hugs Clark enthusiastically (even seems to grab his pec ;) but only
because it means if Clark is alive, then Superman is alive.

I'M LOOKING THROUGH YOU

Clark turns a rescue into a hug as Superman

THE GREEN, GREEN GLOW OF HOME

Lois hugs Clark when he "rings her bell" at the Test Your Strength contest
(the boy has a mighty big hammer ;) Clark hugs Lois after he dukes it out
with
Trask

PHEROMONE, MY LOVELY

Lois is all over Clark in this one, and if she doesn't get a full hug in,
it's
not for want of trying ;)

ALL SHOOK UP

A hug for a guy who's really terrific, and one Lois loves ... like a brother
;)

WITNESS

Comforting hugs all around.  Including on the kitchen floor.  Clark comforts
Lois longer than it takes to make a smoothie

VATMAN

An amorous clinch, too bad it's the wrong Superman

FLY HARD

Too much Lex huggy-uggy, but she does manage to hug Clark, even if it is
black
and white and not really Clark ;)

BARBARIANS AT THE PLANET

Clark gives Lois a quick hug around the shoulders as he says "Vixen" ... uh,
that reindeer she left out ;)

THE HOUSE OF LUTHOR

Nothing but a good Clark hug will do when your wedding day is spoiled by a
police raid and the groom does a swan dive from the 110th floor ... but
that's
another story ;)

2nd SEASON

THE PRANKSTER

A little snug on the sofa during Lethal Weapon (the movie, not the episode
;)

THAT OLD GANG OF MINE

All of Capone's guns and all of his men, couldn't keep Clark and Lois from
being together again ;)  A big hug that "cements" their relationship is in
this one

SEASON'S GREEDINGS

You're simply the best, better than all the rest hug for Clark after he
showed
up for Lois's dinner (which at least *looked* edible ;)

METALLO

A hug intended for a Superman receiver is deflected by the Man of Steel who
hands Lois off emotionally to Clark Kent (that almost sounded gutterish ;)

TEMPUS FUGITIVE

This embrace leads to a kiss, but by this point in the series, it's tougher
to
find one without the other

INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY

And time can mean so much, and 7:01 to 7:05 means a lot to Clark as Lois
hugs
him ever closer.

WHINE, WHINE, WHINE

Thank heaven for little girls "Wanna hug?"  because little girls get bigger
and nail Clark Kent with a killer hug/kiss combo because they're partners,
and
best friends and  ... ooh baby ;)

3rd SEASON

WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT

Let's give 'em somethin' to talk about, like a hug wrapped in a cape high
above Metropolis.

ORDINARY PEOPLE

Nothing like a  horizontal embrace by a campfire to raise the temperature,
and
an embrace to accompany the "just stopped by to see how you were doing" kiss

JUST SAY NOAH

Lois launches herself at Clark Kent with a high jump hug of love and because
they just made up ... at least they think so ;)  They embrace at the end
because Clark's love is forever because ... because because because, because
of the wonderful things he does ;)

DON'T TUG ON SUPERMAN'S CAPE

Lois could hug Clark to pieces, unfortunately he was already in pieces and
so
Lois hugged him after he reassembled

ULTRA WOMAN

Clark carries off a great hug, right off the ground in fact

CHIP OFF THE OLD CLARK

So what's normal for a woman engaged to a really cute guy?  Okay, normal on
this show<g>  Right, a hug-walk to the telephone, and a hug and kiss in
front
of the Daily Planet staff.

SUPER MANN

What happens when a hug has too much top spin? Yup, you end up buffing the
floor ;)

VIRTUALLY DESTROYED

Hugs a plenty virtual and otherwise. Best hug is when Clark says "mm" and
has
to gasp a while ;)

HOME IS WHERE THE HURT IS

Home is where the hug is, at least on the fire escape where Clark wraps his
arms around Lois from behind and then they turn around and get that
front-to-
front thing going ;)

THE DAD WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD

Lois does one of her many "chair" hugs in this one, and no, I don't mean she
hugs a chair ;)  She comes up from behind Clark and drapes herself over him
and hugs and kisses him.  This is also the episode where she actually *asks*
for a hug as she extendes her arms to Clark, and because he's a lunkhead
dreamboat, he adds a kiss too ;)

TEMPUS, ANYONE?

Hugs anyone? Not just anyone, Lois hugs the alternate Clark Kent, as well as
her own Clark Kent, makes me think of that Mxysplit nfic ;)

I NOW PRONOUNCE YOU...

Hugs of comfort, joy and ... deceit ;)

DOUBLE JEOPARDY

Hey Clark, who was that woman I saw you with last night? That was no woman,
and no, it wasn't his wife ;) Clois gets the hugs here, and doesn't seem to
appreciate them much and neither does Wanda Detroit

FORGET ME NOT

Lois remembers everything except that she's in love with and engaged to
Clark
Kent. I find that as hard to swallow as Lois's lasagna ;)  But Lois does hug
Clark when she reaches her epiphany, but wasn't a climax worth waiting for

OEDIPUS WRECKS

A high flying embrace after Lois remembers everything, and she punches Deter
in the nose because ABC was unavailable at the time ;)

IT'S A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL

Another of Lois's behind the chair hugs, and a comforting hug that knocks
Clark right out of his glasses

THROUGH A GLASS, DARKLY

You too can have your confidence built up with the 'rigorous and intensive'
school of  hugging and kissing.  All applicants send an e-mail to
CKent@lovedoctor.net

BIG GIRLS DON'T FLY

But they do cry and they do hug, and Lois and Clark share a very tender "I
don't want to let you go" hug in this one

4th SEASON

LORD OF THE FLYS

And Lord how they hug ;)  Whether on the steps of Lois's apartment building
or
in the Kryptonian bridal chamber dressed as Lord Kal-El and a concubine ...
the hugging is fine ;)

BATTLEGROUND EARTH

And to the battlescarred go the hugs.  Clark gets put back together and Lois
gives him a hug (maybe making sure nothing got left out ;)   The final hug
against the fire escape stairs gets an extra point because Lois seems to
want
to hug Clark's hip with her leg ;)

SWEAR TO GOD, THIS TIME WE'RE NOT KIDDING

I swear there aren't a lot of hugs here, but the couple of hugs and kisses
here mark the first shared by Lois and Clark as husband and wife.

SOUL MATES

Lois and Clark hug "time after time" as they migrate from one era to
another.
Lois admits that foreplay is great, but she just wants to get her "well
definted" man home and make a love connection ;)

BRUTAL YOUTH

To be brutally honest ... Yeah Baby!<g>   Clark gives Lois a tight, back
bending hug in the elevator, a "starting a whole new, long, wonderful life
together" hug in the kitchen, and a "lift hug" at the end of the episode.

THE PEOPLE V. LOIS LANE

Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage, and nothing can keep
Superman away from Lois Lane.   Clark bends steel in his bare hand, and Lois
loves when he does that. He gives Lois the "I don't know about you, but last
night was hell for me" hug and the "if you can't take it" hug.

DEAD LOIS WALKING

Lois gives Clark the "I thought I was dreaming" hug shortly before Clark
decides to break his wife out of jail. The "you sure know how to show a girl
a
good time" hug in the Cozy (they lied) Motel.

GHOSTS

It's hard to tell if Clark is hugging the obsessed, possessed or depressed
Lois here, but there are a couple of sweet hugs.

TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE MXYMAS

Lois and Clark both get hugged repeatedly by Ralph, though they do move out
of
the way once leaving Ralphie face down by the elevators ;)  When time
resumes,
so does a nice hug and kiss from Lois and Clark

LETHAL WEAPON

A lethal hug gives Lois a bruise while Clark is operating at 700% capacity.
He's like a loaded gun (kersplash ;)  Nice hand hug too, and when Clark is
back to normal, well, for him, he's about to wrap his arms around Lois in
the
elevator after x-raying her ... lingerie ;)

SEX, LIES, AND VIDEOTAPE

Well, Lois and Clark are pretty much all over each other  in this one, and
so
hugs almost get lost in the shuffle .. or at least meld into the deck ;)

MEET JOHN DOE

A darn nice "I love you, Lois" hug when Clark is going to attempt to take
Tempus back where he belongs.

LOIS & CLARKS

Sexual tension thy name is alternate Clark Kent<g>  Lois and Alt Clark have
some "near misses" in this episode.  There is a hug imparted to Alt Clark
meant for her Clark near the beginning of the episode, and a sincere "thank
you" hug given to Alt Clark by Lois near the end of the episode.  Lois also
happily hugs (and kisses) her Clark when he's rescued from the time window.

AKA SUPERMAN

Even though Lois and Clark have not made love in 8 days, six hours, four
minutes and two seconds, they do enter the Daily Planet in a walking hug,
and
hug and kiss near the elevator (but then we know what pasta does to Clark ;)
Discounting the hug and kiss Clark got from "some crazy woman"  he and Lois
also fall through the door of their townhouse in an embrace.  Not to mention
Clark decides to 'prioritize' and spend his time on much more important
things, like pinning his wife with a hug against the kitchen counter.

FASTER THAN A SPEEDING VIXEN

What is it with these two and kitchens? ;)  Now I'm not going to ask what
all
they did, but there's something telling that they're laying stretched out
facing opposite directions<g>  Not many hugs here other than those that
accompany kisses, but they certainly seem to do okay without them ;)

SHADOW OF A DOUBT

There's more than a shadow of a hug when Lois and Clark contemplate a
weekend
in Atlantic City.

VOICE FROM THE PAST

Lois expresses her gratitude with a hug after Clark's "breath of life" ends
a
chilling experience ;)

I'VE GOT YOU UNDER MY SKIN

Whether Clark Kent in Samms' body or Samms in Clark's body, they both get
some
hugs from Lois Lane.

FAMILY HOUR

The list ends with some comfort hugs from Clark Kent, a darn nice husband.

As always, if I left any out, let me know and I'll add them to the list.

Zoomway@aol.com (yes, I *do* have too much time on my hands in the summer,
and
your point is? ;)
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This is a quick one... beings it belongs between Big Girls Don't Fly and
Battleground Earth... I thought this might be an appropriate time to post
it.  I know the subject matter has been covered a thousand times, but...
well... this is my idea of how Lois and Clark might have made it through
a night apart.

Isn t it odd that certain songs can take you back in time...
can remind you of a scene, or a look, an expression?  That's
what this song did for me... odd... when you can't even
watch a simple Disney video with your kids without seeing
Lois and Clark in your mind... perhaps I am hopeless.

This is an "in-betweenie" that occurs between Big Girls Don't
Fly and Battleground Earth.

Wherever You Are...
by Crystal Wimmer

Lois stretched once more on the small couch.  She still
couldn't stand sleeping in her bed.  She couldn't see out
the window from there.  She had pulled the couch over to the
window, and she rested there, looking out at the overcast
sky.  It was dark enough, but she couldn't see the stars for
the clouds.

A tear made it's way down her cheek.... she needed to see
the star, tonight.  It had been a horrible day of excuses
and aggravation.  The crime wave that had begun when Clark
left had grown worse by the day.  She was busy, that much
was certain.  There was so much to be done to keep up with
the waves of robberies and assaults that Superman wasn't
here to stop.

"I need you, Clark," she whispered into the silence.  "I
need your strength."

Another long night.  Finally frustrated with her inability
to see the stars, his star, she turned on the television.
Using the remote control, she flipped through the channels
without destination.  She was too tired for this, she knew,
but she couldn't stand silence.  She didn't have the energy
to go deal with the stereo, so instead she searched for
something soothing on the television.

Finally, Lois found a neutral station.  She decided that the
network must be doing a free weekend of advertising because
she certainly didn't pay for the children's channel.  She
didn't generally like cartoons, but the pastel nature of
this one was calming.  She settled back onto the couch,
holding her pillow tightly against her as the little bear
and his friend sung about "forever".

She didn't really watch the cartoon, but rather allowed her
mind to wander over the last few weeks as it played quietly
in the background.  She drifted somewhere between sleeping
and waking, until she began to see her life drifting before
her.

-------------------
Come out moon, come out wishing star...
Come out, come out
Wherever you are.
-------------------

She wished that she could see the star.  He had shown it to
her before he left... letting her know where he would be.
He had told her that she could manage without him, that they
would get through this... but he hadn't sounded as certain
as she would have liked.  She knew how hard this was for
him.  He had lived his life alone, and now that they had one
another, he'd had to leave.  He was alone again... she could
feel it... and that hurt her more than her own loneliness...

-------------------
I m out here in the dark,
All alone and wide awake.
Come and find me.
-------------------

Clark settled back against the wall.  Zara hadn't turned the
lights on, out of fear that they would not have adequate
power to return to New Krypton.  Reaching to his neck, he
fingered the small silver ring that reminded him of his
future.  It was his future, he insisted... there could be no
other alternative.  If he didn't make it back to be with
Lois, there was no point... and he refused to believe that
there was no point.

He still had his doubts as to whether or not this was worth
it.  He knew what Zara had told him, and he had no reason to
doubt her, but that didn't mean that he was entirely
comfortable with the concept of this trip.  He had only been
without his powers for a few isolated days on Earth, and he
didn't like it.  Perhaps that was arrogant, but he didn't
*like* being like everyone else.  He loved to help others,
to be the one they thanked... to know he made a difference.

While his status as a ruler was by birth, and he knew his
return would make the New Kryptonians stronger, it wasn't
the same as actually *doing* something... something to earn
their trust and make them grateful.  He knew what he was
giving up... he knew all too well, but they didn t.

-------------------
I'm empty and I'm cold,
And my heart's about to break.
Come and find me.
-------------------

Lois shifted, looking out the window once more.  Still
overcast.  With a sigh, she tried to frame a story in her
mind... outlining it mentally for future reference.  This
type of exercise normally put her right to sleep, but her
mind was still to active to rest.  She organized her
thoughts for the story, even put together a few new ideas in
her head, but still was no closer to sleep.

Sleep was a mixed blessing... It was the one time she could
spend with Clark... A combination of memories and dreams
that came together to give her some comfort.  On the other
hand, she had to wake up sometime, and the loss she felt
then was so acute that it was actually painful.  It was just
so hard to be without him.

Over the course of three years, Clark had insinuated himself
into every facet of her life.  He was in her work, her
recreation, her heart.  There was no area of her life that
she could retreat to and seek normalcy... not even her
writing.  She thought of trying to work on her novel
somewhat, but there again it was entwined with him... Wanda
Detroit was no longer a figment of her imagination, but
rather a memory that she and Clark shared.  She needed him.

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I need you to come here and find me,
Because without you I'm totally lost.
-------------------

Clark finally stood, and wandered over to the observation
panel.  He vaguely wondered how thick the glass must be to
hold out the vacuum of space, but didn t dwell on the
thought.  After all, the clear material might not be glass
at all, although it certainly felt cold to the touch, as
glass did.

Resting his head against the panel, he did his best to
control an outbreak of tears.  Crying wasn't something he
did easily or often.  In fact, he could only remember a
couple of times that he had actually cried, and those points
in his life he would prefer to forget.  But, since leaving
Lois, there was an instability to his emotions that he wasn't
used to.  Perhaps it was the lack of super-power as he
left the yellow sun so far behind, or perhaps it was just
leaving Lois... his stability... he wasn t sure.

Clark gazed out at the field of stars before him, and wished
that Lois were here to see it.  It was so beautiful out
here... it hurt not to share it with the other half of his
heart.  He hadn't done much on this trip except for mope...
Zara and Ching were operating the craft, and they didn't
need his fumbling attempts to assist.  He had spent some
time with a computer, trying to learn the Kryptonian
language, but it didn't hold his interest.  He needed Lois
to get him out of this mood... this self pity... but if he
had her, he wouldn t feel this way.

-------------------
I ve hung a wish on every star.
It hasn't done much good so far.
-------------------

Lois finally drifted to sleep.  Her dreams of Clark were a
mixture of memory and illusion, real and unreal, and
underscored with a feeling of pain that she couldn't
understand within the limited scope of sleep.  It was like
that feeling that you were falling... knowing it wasn't
real, and yet unable to stop it... but it was all she had.

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I can only dream of you,
Wherever you are.
------------------

Clark jerked awake as he felt his knees begin to give way.
Shaking himself slightly, he left the viewing panel to
return to his room.  The small area contained only a palate,
and a box of belongings that Lois had sent with him.  He sat
next to the box, surprised with his fatigue, and began to
sort through it s contents.  He glanced at the pictures, and
finally settled on the tan sweater that she had sent with
him.

He remembered the flight to Bancock like it was yesterday.
Lois had been complaining about the quality of the local Tai
food, and he had laughingly scooped her into his arms and
taken off.  She had still been giggling as he fed her
noodles from his plate.  She had been so beautiful that
night... she always was... and the sparkle in her eyes had
been wonderful.

They had eaten, and talked, and laughed into the wee hours
of the morning, their time.  She had been drowsy when it had
been time to fly back, and it wasn't until he had taken her
in his arms for flight that he realized her skin was
chilled.  She had said it didn't matter, that she hadn't
noticed, but he had insisted on her wearing his sweater for
the flight home.

Clark laid down on the hard palate, and closed his eyes.
God, he missed her.  He could almost feel her, smell her.
Absently he realized that it was the sweater... carrying her
scent.  He tucked the material near his face and held onto
it as he fell asleep.

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But when the morning comes,
And the sun begins to rise,
I will lose you.
-------------------

Lois snapped awake.  She wondered for a moment if she had
heard something, but decided instead that it was just the
abrupt end of a dream.  She knew she had dreamt of Clark,
she could fairly feel his presence, but she couldn't
remember the dream.

The same cartoon was playing that had been on the television
before, so she knew that she hadn't been asleep for long.
With a sigh, she stood and went to the kitchen.  Her eyes
felt gravely and swollen from tears, and her throat hurt
from crying in her sleep, so she decided to make some tea.

She boiled water, and reached into the cupboard for some
tea.  Her fingertips connected with a little silver tin of
Lapsang-Souchong... another treasure Clark had brought her
from the East.  She sighed as she realized that even here,
even at two in he morning when she only wanted a cup of tea,
he was so deeply insinuated into her life that she couldn't
get away from him.  How would she live without him.

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Because it s just a dream,
When I open up my eyes
I will lose you.
-------------------

Clark woke with one had clutching his old tan sweater, and
the other holding tightly to the ring around his neck.  He
sighed as he relaxed his body, uncurling from the fetal
position.  He ached all over, and not just from the
unaccustomed feeling of sleeping on solid ground.  He
estimated that he had slept an hour or so, but he couldn't
be sure.  He knew he felt worse now than he had before
sleeping.

He sat up slowly, resting his back against the wall in his
room.  He was still tired.  It didn t seem to matter how
hard he tried, he couldn t seem to get used to fatigue like
this.  There was no comfortable position to sleep in, and
his mind didn't ever rest, even when his body needed to.
Losing his "super" abilities was harder than he had imagined
it would be.

Still, he felt he could deal with the physical discomfort if
he only had Lois to comfort him.  In a way, that surprised
him.  He had always thought of his mother in conjunction
with comfort, and it wasn't that he didn't miss her, but he
really felt Lois's absence more acutely.  He had difficulty
believing that he could survive this indefinitely.  He had
to get back to Earth... back to her.

-------------------
I used to believe in forever,
But forever's too good to be true.
-------------------

Lois sat with her tea, watching the end of the movie.  She
didn't want to go back to sleep... she knew what awaited her
there.  On the other hand, she needed to work the next day,
and she was tired of Perry s constant worry for her.  She
knew she didn't look her best.. she knew about the circles
under her eyes and the weight she had lost... being reminded
daily wasn't necessary.

With another sigh, she put her empty cup down and laid back
down on the couch.  The clouds had cleared a bit, and she
was able to see a few bright stars in the sky.  She couldn't
she *his* star, but just being able to see some stars made
her feel a connection with him.  She closed her eyes to
rest.  Even if she couldn't bring herself to sleep, she
needed to rest.

-------------------
I've hung a wish on every star.
It hasn't done much good so far.
-------------------

Clark finally fell asleep, sitting up against the wall in
his room.  His dreams were varied, with an overwhelming
feeling of loss underlying them.  He dreamed of his
childhood, and his parents.  He dreamed of Lois.  Even in
sleep, he realized that at some point he would have to wake.
He didn t want to... he wanted to stay in the soft dream
forever.  It was all he had of her.

-------------------
I can only dream of you,
Wherever you are.
-------------------

Lois saw chunks of her life, images, in her mind.  They were
little clips, like those from a movie...

She saw Clark walking towards her, soaking wet.  She felt
the relief of knowing that Trask hadn't killed him.  She
felt the heat of him as he enveloped her in a wet hug, and
saw the deep brown of his eyes.  She felt his love around
her, like a warm blanket, although she didn't recognize it
at the time.  She should have, she realized now, she should
have known...

She saw him standing, arms open wide, after she had nearly
made the worst mistake of her life.  Desperately, she ran
into those open arms, and clung to him. Once more, she felt his
arms surround her, support her.   She felt the relief of
knowing that he was her friend, and more.  She should have
known...

She looked into his eyes, dancing with humor, as she lifted
herself off his solid chest.  She smiled at him, wishing
that she could just stay there, absorbing his warmth and
compassion.  She touched his chest, and felt the wet, sticky
champagne that she had spilled on him.   He should have been
upset, she thought, she had been so clumsy... but he wasn't.
She should have known.

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I'll hear you laugh.
I'll see you smile.
I'll be with you,
Just for a while.
-------------------

She saw his eyes... dark with pain.  She looked out the
window before facing him, wanting to say something.  So much
time had been wasted... so much misunderstanding... so
little had been gained.  But she knew that everything up
until now had led to this moment, this sharing... and this
pain.  She loved him.  In some part of her mind, she had
always loved him... first as a friend, and then as a
lifetime companion... a lifetime that they might not share.
And yet, in her heart, she had always known.  And, now...
she only knew that she was lost, so lost, without him.

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Oh, just for a while.
-------------------

Zara had stepped into the room when she had heard his
distress.  Clark was seated against the wall, sleeping
fitfully.  He held a sweater near his face, and it was
drenched with tears.  He had not cried when they left... not
a single tear... although the pain in his features was
evident.  She wished that there were something she could do.

Taking a few steps toward him, she reached out to him.  Her
mind touched his briefly, stunned by the pain and confusion.
Shaking her head to clear it, and gently touching his
shoulder to allow the physical contact to complete the bond,
she reached for his thoughts once more.  Carefully, with a
practiced skill, she drew him closer to Lois.  She cleared
the vague fog from the center of his vision, and allowed him
to see his beloved.  Then, as quickly as possible, she
pulled herself back to allow them some privacy.

When Zara looked back, his tears had ceased, and he wore a
small smile.  She smiled as well, pleased that she had been
able to give him this.  For all he had given them, and would
continue to give them, this was the least she could share in
return.

-------------------
Come and find me.
-------------------

Lois felt Clark reach her.   On a level that she didn't
understand, she felt him touch her, and comfort her, as only
he could do.  With a quiet sigh she rested at last, secure
in the arms of the one who truly loved her, even if it was
only in her mind.

-------------------
I used to believe in forever,
But, forever's too good to be true.
I've hung a wish on every star.
It hasn't done much good so far.
-------------------

Lois awoke to the alarm clock.  She stood, and walked to the
coffee table to shut off the offending noise.  Then, she
walked to the bathroom, and grabbed her toothbrush.  Another
night, one less, was complete.  She felt rested for the
first time in weeks, and was grateful that Clark had shared
her dreams.

She felt strangely content.  For some reason, she felt that
Clark was okay... that he had slept well in the night, and
that he would soon be home.  She knew it was wishful
thinking, but she felt no need to stop the illusion.  She
just relaxed and enjoyed it.  She had discovered in the
first few days he was gone that the nights were the worst,
and making it through this one had left her feeling
stronger, and better, than she had before.

There was a part of her that looked forward to the night...
the only time she could be with Clark.  Sure, it was only
memories, but it was enough for now.  She would survive
it... she had to... and she would be strong when he came
back to her.

-------------------
I don't know what else to do,
Except to try to dream of you,
And wonder if you re dreaming too,
Wherever you are...
-------------------

Clark awoke on the floor, feeling unusually good.  He had
actually slept the night before, he was sure of it.  There
had been no interruptions, and no upsets.  He had dreamed of
Lois, he was sure, and he attributed his high spirits to
that.

Touching the ring on his necklace, he smiled slightly,
wondering what Lois must be doing.  He pictured her wearing
his Midwestern University sweatshirt, the soft one he had
left for her, and getting changed for work.  He thought
vaguely that he wished he could have shared that type of
domestic time with her, but he was confident that he would
someday.

"I love you," he whispered, closing his eyes as he thought of her.

-------------------
Wherever you are...
-------------------

The End :)

Wherever You Are was an original song
and was sung by Winnie the Pooh in the videotape:
Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin

When I find the author's name, I will add that.
For now, I have merely borrowed the song.
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At 04:40 PM 7/26/98 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-26 11:48:07 EDT, you write:
>
><< Is there a hug list? >>
>
>If you insist, but before anyone shouts "off topic" I have to say that
LOISCLA
>is down again (no surprise) so this is a perfectly legitimate post ;)
>
>3rd SEASON
>
>WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT
>
>Let's give 'em somethin' to talk about, like a hug wrapped in a cape high
>above Metropolis.
>
>

You forgot the "We defused the bomb hug"...

>FASTER THAN A SPEEDING VIXEN
>
>What is it with these two and kitchens? ;)  Now I'm not going to ask what
all
>they did, but there's something telling that they're laying stretched out
>facing opposite directions<g>

What do you think Lois meant by 'browning the sausages'?

>Not many hugs here other than those that
>accompany kisses, but they certainly seem to do okay without them ;)
>
>

I think the hug at the end in bed is nice, especially if you watch her
hands. ;-)

>As always, if I left any out, let me know and I'll add them to the list.
>
>Zoomway@aol.com (yes, I *do* have too much time on my hands in the summer,
and
>your point is? ;)
>

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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:22:57 -0800
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<major snip>

And who said Lois lost her fire after she got engaged? Hmm??? :)

>Zoomway@aol.com (coming soon, all the times Lois was tied up, chained,
>imprisoned, etc. and then how many times she was rescued and how many times
>she did the rescuing and... ah, skip it ;)

There's actually a website out there that *has* pictures of Teri tied up.
It's on geocities,so there appears to be a wee it of a bandwidth problem.
Currently showing some season 3 tie ups ....

Leanne
(who hasn't got the url handy alas ... and forgot to bookmark it)

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The Zoomway wrote:

> >>Zoomway@aol.com (yes, I *do* have too much time on my hands in the
> summer, and your point is? ;)<<

I'm Glad somebody has time for things like this, so us 'never having
time people' can enjoy the results!  This has been great Zoom!  I have
to ask though, how do you do it?! Do you have a photographic memory or
have you just watched all these eps so many times?

jamee
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Crystal! That was so touching!  I loved it!  It's the first in-betweenie
I've ever read, and it's made me want to read more!  It's great how it
adds to the story, gives you more feelings to contemplate that they
didn't have time to get into on the show!

At first I thought you made the song parts up, but it was a Winnie the
pooh song?! It went perfectly!

I especially liked how you added the scene of Zara helping Clarks mind
to reach Lois'.  Or was that really in the Ep on T.V.--I can't
remember.  I do remember Lois hearing Clark say her name and you knew
there was some kind of a mental conection made.
Which  reminds me, has any one done any stories on Clark discovering how
to use some of his mental telepathy powers that all the Kryptonians had?
If there is let me know, I would like to read about that.  I think it
would be great if he and Lois could have that sort of a connection!

anyways, great job!

Jamee...who's gonna go read something to cheer herself up now cuz she's
feeling a little bit melancholy!
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In a message dated 98-07-27 02:19:08 EDT, you write:

<< I'm Glad somebody has time for things like this, so us 'never having
 time people' can enjoy the results!  This has been great Zoom!  I have
 to ask though, how do you do it?! Do you have a photographic memory or
 have you just watched all these eps so many times? >>

I don't think I have a photographic mind (no, not a pornographic one either
;)
I look at the names of the episodes with a certain thing in mind (hug, kiss
or
clobber)  and then I can picture certain scenes.  I will admit to being
surprised that Lois had so few "kickbutt" moments in 1rst season (about half
of what the other seasons had and about a third of what 2nd season had) that
I
asked some folc on IRC if they could remember any other scenes besides those
I'd named, and they couldn't remember any either.   I do miss certain scenes
or incidents though<g>  The kiss list doesn't really include all of the hand
kisses for example.  One reason those are hard to remember for me compared
to
the others is that Clark usually kisses Lois's hand as a gesture of comfort
rather than something courtly or romantic.   In Faster than a Speeding
Vixen,
for example, he holds Lois's hand, stokes it, kisses it (that hand gets a
lot
of attention ;) while he's talking to her about babies.  In "The Dad..."
episode, Clark kisses her hand when Lois is empathizing with a parent (Jack
Olsen) trying to get back into a child's life.  Clark recognizes what's
going
on and kisses her hand saying "Sounds like you're talking about you and your
dad."  The one exception is probably the hand kissing scene most fans
remember
where Clark (as Superman) puts the engagement ring back on Lois's finger,
kisses her hand, and thanks her.(in this case for comforting him by giving
him
the ring "something dear to you")

So I do miss things here and there and that's why I always ask for folc to
send in any incident they remember that I might have missed.  Anyway, anyone
can come up with a list, say like "shirtless Dean" (kersplash ;)  My
favorite
in that category is from Metallo. He's in front of the bathroom mirror
sealing
the cut on his head and has no shirt on and it has a nice view of that line
of
hair that starts at the bottom of his navel and disappears into his
waistband
(kerspalsh part 2 ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (okay, maybe it is a pornographic memory ;)
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Sorry that got posted under your fanfic heading Crys, it should have been
with
the "hug" list ;)  I enjoyed your inbetweenie though ;)  Now I know what
that
"tea" question was for<g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 11:34 PM 7/25/98 -0400, you wrote:
>[snip] ...Not that I enjoyed them, on the contrary,
>everytime I watch the end of BGDF it is extremely painful, but without
>the pain how can you enjoy the good moments?

In my opinion only, I don't think the price we paid (the pain we watched
and had to suffer through) was worth the pay off (the good moments).

>Now ABC's terrible promotion, that I would change...

I'd change them to having been bought by, say, Ted Turner rather than dizney

>>However, he was saved by his wooden... no, wood has more
>>character--lifeless portrayal...
>
>Lois: And Ching...you are?
>Ching: Lieutenant, blah, blah, blah...
>I think lieutenant is Latin for wooden....;-)

LOL! :D

>>>How did Lois save the day in Toy Story?
>>>(Hint: It happens more than once in the episode.)
>>
>>She kneed someone in the crotch?
>
>I must say for the record that Teri did that very well, I saw
>it in her eyes. I remember yelling at the TV and Col. Cash
>"Watch the knee!"

For a military man, he was totally right in his plans to save the world,
but he must have been letting his lieutenants watch out for the
thoughtless, senseless sneak attacks.

>Lois used a transporter to send a message/map to Clark,
>the kids were napped using it in Toy Story.

Oh, yes, of course. And, darn, I can't think of any shakespear to cover
this, though I'm sure plenty of characters sent secret messages to other
characters.

>Okay, Lieutenant + transporter = what TV show?

Mr. Ed? A talking horse was about the only villain L&C didn't have to
battle, but you can bet it would have outwitted both of them until about 5
minutes from the end of the show... ;)

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
discerning viewer.
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> School:  Metropolis University

Not true : Kansas State?

> I wondered....what exactly was on Clark's resume besides being editor for
> the Smallville Press.

reporter for the Borneo Gazette

> Does anyone know of a fanfic that has addressed this issue even in
> passing?

See Margaret Brignell's excellent series 'The Rules', 'The
Long Road' etc.

Wendy

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Okay, Gary, I finally found it!

Star Trek: The Next Generation.... Season Two, "The Outrageous Okona"
Teri is featured as a "Lieutenant B.G. Robinson". Probably a *transporter*
person.
I think this meets the qualifications in your clues:
"What was Ching?", and "How did Lois save the day in Toy Story?"

Thanks for the ride!
Marie
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Hi FoLCs:

Here are a few details from the last several episodes that I noticed as
odd or strange, in case anyone is interested.

If some of them beg explanation and anyone actually has one, I'd love
to hear about it.

If some of this has been dealt with before or explained in the past,
please forgive me as I just joined the list a few weeks ago.

Also, the episodes notes are probably not in the exact order of
appearance, partly because TNT messed up the schedule and partly
because of the Sunday showing.

<underline>General Notes (not necessarily related to particular
episodes):

</underline>The use of primary colors (red, yellow, and blue) in
backgrounds is done quite a lot in film and television in general and
commercials and animation in particular.  Did anyone notice that in the
Superman films and in L&C, this is raised to a fine art?  Look in
nearly every scene, in every background, objects appear to keep the
colors of the Supersuit always evident.

About Harve Presnell, I wanted to mention that he was featured in the
film "paint Your Wagon" singing "They Call the wind Mariah" and also
starred in the "Unsinkable Molly Brown" as Mr. Brown.

There is a character in the musical "Kiss Me Kate" by Cole Porter named
Lois Lane.  Does anyone know why?

Sabrina the Teenage Witch Pilot: Seemed to have borrowed a great deal
from L&C.

The big clear "eggs" in Just Say Noah appear again in Seconds.

The "S" shield on Superman's suit has a red "S" on a yellow background
on the chest in both the Chris Reeve films and on L&C, but the cape in
each bears only a yellow shield.  Oddly enough, the shield on the cape
in the closing credits of L&C matches the chest shield.  Anyone know
why they all don't match?  Is it one way or another in the comics?

The first shield is the original Kryptonian creation.  Eventually
Martha would have had to replicate it for Clark's multiple suits and
this would also be true for the alternate Clark/Superman.  I've seen
mentions of this in fanfics which were close to this aspect but not as
detailed.

I've always thought the blue of the Suit would be visible under Clark's
shirts.  Any thoughts?

There is a bike lock called Kryptonite!

Came across the name TERI on another list but there it stood for The
Educational Resources Institute!

Can anyone track the whereabouts of Clark's space ship thru the series?
 Clark says in one episode that he knows where it is and he can get it
but I thought it was missing for most of the time (or in secret
government storage along with the lost Ark of the Covenant from
"Raiders"!)  Mentions are made in several episodes but I have the
impression they don't track logically.

Kryptonite is supposed to be a secret, despite the fact that all the
really bad guys know about it.  In GGGoH, doesn't Perry White encourage
Lois to name the rock?  I thought that meant that it is mentioned in
her news story and is therefore printed for public consumption.  I've
always been puzzled by what seems to be a contradiction.

In "Top Copy" the holographic Superman tells the public that Clark was
cleaning his suits for him and that he doesn't have a washing machine.
Well, neither does Clark!   It is implied in Chi of Steel that he has
one, which Jonathan uses to mix the red cape with Clark's white shirt
to make it pink.  It is also logical for him to have a washer and drier
because he could not bring the Suit to the Laundromat!  However, we
never actually see the washer or drier in Clark's apartment, that I
noticed.

The stair case in the hall of Lois' apartment building later became
part of the set of their townhouse apartment in Season 4.

<underline>Episode Notes:</underline>

Episode:  Chi of Steel

Clark's friend, editor of the Chinatown newspaper, when asked by Lois
how he knows Clark, answers that they have the same optometrist.  Now
we all know Clark doesn't need those glasses so does Clark have to fake
needing glasses and fool the optometrist?  He can control his vital
signs, so can he control his eyes, too?  Recently, one can buy frames
without a prescription, but I am not sure this was always the case.
Perhaps a fanfic could deal just with how the Kents get glasses for
Clark in previous years.

Lois says at the end that she never had Chinese food this good.  But
didn't she have marvelous Chinese food thanks to Clark going all the
way to China for it in the pilot?

Episode: Metallo

Kryptonite as power source? (and again in The Phoenix)  Beyond the
radiation it emits, what power does it have.  Is it like a battery or
like plutonium.  Perhaps one of the science oriented FoLCs could
explain this to me?

Episode:  When Irish Eyes Are Killing

A banner appears in the newsroom bearing the Coates name, as in Phyllis
Coates, one of the Lois Lanes on the George Reeves Superman series (and
maybe also in a serial version as well.)

Episode:  Never on Sunday

Clark's birthday is given as 2/28/66 (the day he was found by the
Kents).  Of course, he is actually older, by weeks, months or years?
Is it nailed down in the comics?

Since the snake at the end escapes out of the plane and onto the
airport tarmac, it is implied that since Sunday is missing and we hear
his laughter over the soundtrack, that he might return.  Idea for a
fanfic?

Episode: Tempus Fugitive

It doesn't seem terribly cold in Smallville, even though its supposed
to be February.  Did I miss something here?)

Episode:  Ultrawoman

Continuity problem with Clark's hands free in the shot just before the
explosion but he's still tied in the story.  (This was mentioned
recently).

Clark says he's a briefs man but we only see him in boxers, except for
the Suit, of course.

Clark gets to show at least 3 or maybe four times how innately brave he
is, even without his powers.  It always bothered me that in GGGoH,
Clark fears being shot.  Did I misunderstand that scene?  It has always
made me uncomfortable.

Episode:  Home is Where the Hurt Is

Clark's/Superman's voice is enough over the phone for Dr. Klein to
release the Kryptonite to Dr. Lane?  I always thought there should be
more security, especially after DTOSC.

I know there is a fanfic where Dr. Lane figures out Clark is Superman
after this episode.  Is it Baby Gundersen who gives Dr. Lane the
evidence.  If she can record the voice of the man who sabotages Lois'
microwave, what's to stop Baby from replaying the conversation between
Lois and Clark and the Kent's after Superman disposes of the
microwave?

Episode:  Virtually Destroyed

It is interesting that Dean shows the Superman can control his vital
signs (perhaps better than he did in Strange Visitor From Another
Planet).  Dean gave himself more characters to act and lots of action
(as in showcasing his own talents).  He give himself the line"I'm
Superman" (which sometimes is used during the series as a comic
statement and sometimes to exemplify some aspect of Superman's
prowess).  Dean could have written an episode with no reason to wear
the dreaded Suit but knew how important the character is.  (See Dean's
comments on the soundtrack CD).

Can Lois get full on virtual pastrami?

Episode:  Supermann

Lois asked Clark if there are any languages he doesn't know.  I had to
ask, "in addition to Aramaic, that is?"  In JSN, Clark can't read the
Aramaic, which surprised me because he recognizes it as similar to
Hebrew, which he presumably can read but not Aramaic.  I was also
surprised about that because Aramaic and Hebrew are so similar that
anyone who can read the one, can probably, in real life, read the
other.  Any language experts out there who know better?

How did Superman get into the chamber after the bomb goes off without
anyone at STAR labs being exposed?  What kind of a chamber is it that
has a convenient skylight type door over it but is permanently attached
to the floor?  Huh?  Help?

Episode:  The Eyes Have It

Clark can read, think, type, etc, so fast.  He may not know everything
but can remember anything?  I don't quite get why he doesn't understand
the light theory when he understood so much of the rocket science in
the pilot.

How did he find the clothes to borrow from Lois?  He stumbles about
comically thru most of the episode but gets the hand of it towards the
end when he finds the pen at the Daily Planet?  He's moving at
superspeed but doesn't knock anything over?  He even finds the light
control panel?

And why doesn't he have a prepared explanation for where he was for 3
days?  Didn't he "see" Lois' question coming?  I enjoyed the episode
but puleeease!

Episide:  Dad Who Came In From the Cold

Does Jack figure out that Clark is Superman.  If he doesn't, he's not
as smart as he's supposed to be.

Since when is the cape bullet proof?

The restaurant where Jack (doesn't anyone know another name besides
Jack on this series?) and Jimmy and Lois and Clark have dinner is
really the Daily Planet set, I think.  The stairs to the reference
library are what tipped me off.

Episode:  Just Say Noah (see several notes above)

Is there a wedding day reference in this episode?

Episode:  I Now Pronounce You

Does someone say "Hold the Phone"?  Can anyone remember why and give me
some insight as to why this sounds so strange or is actually loigcal?

Some scenes were repeated from the end of this episode to the beginning
of the next so don't yell at me if I seem to have put them in the wrong
place.

Episode:  Double Jeopardy

Okay, why didn't Clark detect the frog breath?  Yes, I know that ABC
jerked them around about the wedding, etc, and the frog breath question
is not a new one.

Lois' line, "prepare to be stunned" was used recently by TNT for a
promo for a non-L&C program.

Clark should have been able to hear Lois from inside the limo, don't
you think?  (someone else brought this up recently).  How was Red able
to hear Lois yell "Stop" only a few moments later?  In the truck with
Red, her voice came back pretty fast and even though she wasn't in her
right mind, Lex's injection wasn't that effective.

Was there not a single Daily Planet employee right outside the building
who could have given Lois a hand?

If Clark suspects already that Lois is an imposter, as per the scene
with his parents just before, when the clone speaks to him, why doesn't
he let on?

Why do neither Jimmy nor Perry wonder why Lois and Clark are back from
their honeymoon so fast?  Why doesn't Jimmy think Lois' behavior is
strange when she comes on to him?

There are two versions of the white dress Lois sings in as Wanda, a
floor length and an knee length version.  Glad Teri got another chance
to sing.

Does Lex really think he and Clark are two sides of the same coin?
Clark is still too decent to realize Lex is using him, which he regrets
later.

This is as close to murderous Clark has gotten ever, up to this point.
I really like it when he asks Lex "do you have any idea...?"  I
sympathized with him.

The last scene is very confusing with Clark changing into Superman for
about three seconds just to stop the car.  Why doesn't Clark run to
Lois first right after?

How can he believe her when she says she doesn't love him?

Episode:  Seconds

Clark really pushing the limits of sulkiness here in first scene.

How did the clone end up in STAR labs?

Some of the scenes Lois sees in her dreams, she could never have seen,
wasn't there, if you recognize where the shots were lifted from.

Where's Asabi's turbin?

Just Say Noah's clear egg chambers are back.

Why doesn't Clark hear the call the bank clerk places to Luthor?

The scene where Luthor makes Clark beg for his parents' lives was
actually really well done, in a sea of incredulity.  Dean and John Shea
really shine here.

Timothy Busfield's scene is hilarious.

Did Lois miss at the end?  Why didn't the big gun work?

Episode: Forget Me Not

Where's Friskin when Lois needs her?  A fanfic (by Debby?) I read does
include Friskin at this critical juncture.

How stereotypical to have only two psychiatrists in the whole place,
they both have German names and they're both rotten to the core.

Clark is unusually positive about Lois' recovery when he speaks to
Jimmy, then shows his folks how depressed he really is?  Which is it?

Clark gets to say "I'm Superman" again and Dr. Deter may have a point
about the rules not applying to him.  It's a very odd moment.  Any
thoughts?

In ILTY, Lois tells Clark she would rather be invisible than fly.  She
has changed her mind by now?

Odd that Lois should use a reference to Nancy Drew and not know why?
Can anyone shed some light on amnesia in general?  Does she pick the
office door lock on instinct?

Dr. Deter is meant to be very similar to Clark in many ways, hence
Lois' confusion.

Superman seems to have figured out a better way to stop cars, blow the
tires first!

Isn't Lois "sane" in order to fool the older doctor into believing
she's killed Perry?

Superman stops the doctor just by letting him bump into him; that was
kind of cute.

Does he get the idea from Jimmy bumping into Clark earlier?

Great anxiety attack closeup of Clark at end.

Episode:  Oedipus Wrecks

"FoLCs" appears in the electronic ticker tape at the Daily Planet.

Wizard of Oz references in the lines and the background music were very
clever.

After Dr. Dieter unwittingly tweeks Clark twice about therapy, Clark
looks like he's going to pop Dr. D in the nose.

LL plates on Lois' jeep.

Clark as Clark hints at his other talents for the second time in the
arc.

Why does Superman take Herkimer's remote away from him.  The machine
was unplugged.  Evidence?

Episode: It's A Small World After All

Why are we so sure this was ghost written and not Teri's work?  Rumor?

How did the PE teacher know the name Kent as in "little Kent" since
Clark wasn't with Lois at the time.

Lois Kent?  Doesn't Lois try on this moniker during HoL?

Whatever Lolo wants, Lolo gets?  How corny can she get?

You would think they would all begin to notice the thunder and
lightening appearing every time something goes wrong!

Clark's apartment door wasn't locked?

Nice scene about the name change or non-name change.

Interesting that Clark remembers to introduce himself to Molloy even
though Molloy was there when Superman rescued Lois.

Why didn't Clark just float up to the bottle when he couldn't reach
it.

Lois is upset to find out that Clark knew something was wrong since
yesterday as interchangeable with Monday but from their clothes, it was
the same day.

The plan and proportions were slightly off.

That was quite a groping Superman gives Lois from inside her "breast"
pocket!!

We all know how men feel about size.  Was Teri trying to put Dean in
his place?

Episode:  The Phoenix

The whole bit over the price of the Pearl Jam tickets made me
uncomfortable.  What was the point of making Clark look cheap?

Why does Superman scare Perry by pushing him out of the flying chair,
knowing full-well he was going to catch him again?

Lois always gets the bed in these awkward situations where she and
Clark share a room but aren't married.  Clark is always being a
gentleman, which is great but she would fit on the sofa more easily in
at least two of the cases.  Okay so she had food poisoning!

There is a picture of two people on Clark's desk.  Is it his parents?

Shouldn't Clark have gone first into the under-the-sidewalk stairwell?

Instead he says "After you" and motions Lois ahead.

The Kryptonite is a real small piece, smaller than the piece in Metallo
but it is supposed to be the same piece.  It is so small. I didn't
think it would hurt Superman very much.  Any thoughts?

What brings Superman to Lex's lair?  Lois didn't really scream and,
although Clark knows where it is, how does he know to show up?

<underline>Finale:</underline>

If this was interesting to enough people, I will try to do this again,
sometime.

I had done an analysis of TAGD but didn't want to end this post in the
middle of an arc.

And yes, FoLCs, I know it was just a television series.

Comments will be welcome.

Thanks,

Carolyn

cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu
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The reason why it doesn't look cold when they go back is because it's
supposed to be in May--not February as stated in Never on Sunday.

Also, I heard, directly from Lane Smith at the Superman festival in
Metropolis, Ill, last month, that IASW was ghost-written.
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<< A banner appears in the newsroom bearing the Coates name, as in
Phyllis Coates, one of the Lois Lanes on the George Reeves Superman
series (and maybe also in a serial version as well.) >>

This banner is in reference to the Coates Orphanage, which the
bachelorette auction was supposed to benefit. The orphanage was
introduced in Seasons' Greedings as where "Santa Claus" worked &
Superman visited the kids at the end of the episode.

<< Clark's birthday is given as 2/28/66 (the day he was found by the
Kents).  Of course, he is actually older, by weeks, months or years? Is
it nailed down in the comics? >>

I always thought that 2/28 was a date chosen by the Kents to be Clark's
birthday. Especially since it was established in TEmpus Fugitive that he
was found in May. Perhaps they guessed him to be about 3 months old, and
liked the 28th for some reason.

<< It always bothered me that in GGGoH, Clark fears being shot.  Did I
misunderstand that scene?  It has always made me uncomfortable. >>

Since Clark was weakened by the kryptonite, he really *was* afraid of
being shot. It could've killed him, but probably by then his powers were
already starting to return.

<< Clark's/Superman's voice is enough over the phone for Dr. Klein to
release the Kryptonite to Dr. Lane?  I always thought there should be
more security, especially after DTOSC. >>

The security was Superman's voice, since Lois tells Dr Klein that she'll
have Superman speak into the phone so that Klein can confirm his "voice
print," which I'd assume to be unreproducible. But knowing the
convenient technology that appears in the hands of villains in
Metropolis, there should be more security.

<< Why do neither Jimmy nor Perry wonder why Lois and Clark are back
from their honeymoon so fast?  Why doesn't Jimmy think Lois' behavior is
strange when she comes on to him? >>

Maybe cause Jimmy liked it. ;) Recall that he tells Lois that he once
had a crush on her in JSN, then later when Lesley Luckabee shows up, he
comments that he's lucky to work with Lois, but that Clark is way
luckier. ;) So maybe his crush never really went away.

<< Why doesn't Clark hear the call the bank clerk places to Luthor? >>

It doesn't matter whether Clark hears the conversation since he's there
to catch Luthor. He's pretty sure that someone at the bank will notify
Luthor. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, there was nothing said
during the short phone conversation that could've helped Clark; i.e.
Luthor didn't mention his plan with Lois and the bomb.

<< Can anyone shed some light on amnesia in general? >>

Real amnesia or television amnesia? <g> I read once (I think in a
neuroscience textbook) that amnesia is rare, usually short-lasting, and
nothing like TV amnesia. On a side note, I've wondered about Dr Deter's
techniques for memory recovery. Clark did a little research to find that
Deter was a memory expert, but it wasn't made clear whether the
isolation methods he used with Lois were what he was renowned for or
not. I couldn't figure out whether Deter did have a "cure" for amnesia
but was doing something different on Lois because he didn't want her to
get her memory back, or if the beginning of her treatment (before
hypnosis, etc) when Deter allowed such limited visitation *was* his
world-renowned treatment.

<< Dr. Deter is meant to be very similar to Clark in many ways, hence
Lois' confusion.>>

How? I thought Deter was unprofessional, even in the beginning, and
abused his authority, and he only got worse. Not to mention the complete
selfishness he shows by not wanting Lois to remember herself; this isn't
a broken arm we're talking about here. This is Lois's entire self. How
could Deter have fallen in love (if he did) with her? She had such
little personality, and the bit that she did have he tried to discourage
(not wanting her to talk about work or her life). Was he only in love
with her physical features? If so, that doesn't sound much like Clark;
even though he does admire her physical attributes ("you have a great
body" :), it's always been clear that he loves all of her. By OW Deter
was *trying* to confuse Lois, and he had stepped so far over the line
that I wonder if he ended up disbarred and behind bars.

<< Lois Kent?  Doesn't Lois try on this moniker during HoL? >>

She tries on Lois *Lane* Kent while she runs through the possibilities
with "Luthor." But isn't her name something Lois should've thought about
sooner than her wedding day in HoL (and IASWAA, when they had already
had a wedding that didn't turn out). Wouldn't she have thought about
this when she accepted Lex's proposal/proposed to Clark? (Though I'm
immensely glad that she kept Lane. :)

<< The whole bit over the price of the Pearl Jam tickets made me
uncomfortable.  What was the point of making Clark look cheap?>>

Speaking of the Pearl Jam tickets, could you even imagine Lois and Clark
at a Pearl Jam concert?!? Clark acts surprised when Jimmy mentions the
mosh pit, but, honestly, what did Clark expect?

-Christy (who's trying to picture L&C in a mosh pit ;)
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In a message dated 27/07/98 19:26:10 GMT, you write:

<< The first shield is the original Kryptonian creation.  Eventually
 Martha would have had to replicate it for Clark's multiple suits and
 this would also be true for the alternate Clark/Superman. >>

Although the alternate CK/Supes has a much larger original shield in TA!

<< I've always thought the blue of the Suit would be visible under Clark's
shirts.  Any thoughts? >>

Long, thick, white underwear?<g>

<< Can anyone track the whereabouts of Clark's space ship thru the series?
>>

 At the start (or when Clark and his parents looked for it) it had
disappeared
from the field where Jonathan had buried it and turned up in the possession
of
Bureau 39.  In HIWTHI, Mindy Church said she (or The Church Group) had
acquired it when Bureau 39 had disbanded.  At the end of this episode it was
presumably either taken into police custody or given to Superman to store
somewhere safe, so Clark could retrieve it in BGDF.

<<  In GGGoH, doesn't Perry White encourage
Lois to name the rock?  I thought that meant that it is mentioned in
her news story and is therefore printed for public consumption. >>

At this point Lois is not sure that the kryptonite even exists:  She is
writing about what Trask believed to be true.  After the publication, any
bad
guy interested can make their own enquiries, and the more times it's used
the
more people know about it!

<< we all know Clark doesn't need those glasses so does Clark have to fake
needing glasses and fool the optometrist?  He can control his vital
signs, so can he control his eyes, too? >>

I'm sure he could do that pretty easily.

<< Lois says at the end that she never had Chinese food this good.  But
didn't she have marvelous Chinese food thanks to Clark going all the
way to China for it in the pilot? >>

No harm in being polite - even for Lois!

<< Kryptonite as power source? (and again in The Phoenix)  Beyond the
radiation it emits, what power does it have. >>

I always assumed it was the radiation.  I don't think it was ever mentioned
exactly how much radiation was emitted - just that it was low-level.

<< Phyllis Coates, one of the Lois Lanes on the George Reeves Superman
series
(and maybe also in a serial version as well.) >>

She also played Lois's mother in HOL.

<< Clark's birthday is given as 2/28/66 (the day he was found by the
Kents). >>

No, he was found by the Kents on 5/17/66 according to TF.

<< it is implied that since Sunday is missing and we hear
his laughter over the soundtrack, that he might return.  Idea for a
fanfic? >>

I'm writing one of these and may even finish it eventually.

<< It always bothered me that in GGGoH,
Clark fears being shot.  Did I misunderstand that scene? >>

Since he is not at that point bulletproof, I think it's quite reasonable for
him to have a slight aversion to Trask pulling the trigger!

<< Clark's/Superman's voice is enough over the phone for Dr. Klein to
release the Kryptonite to Dr. Lane?  I always thought there should be
more security, especially after DTOSC. >>

But it's a rather good job there isn't!  Superman's voice is pretty
distinctive.  (Otherwise he may be recognised as Clark by someone only
hearing
and not seeing him.)

<< Can Lois get full on virtual pastrami? >>

No, that's why she's still hingry at the end of the ep.  Either Clark is
joking (which is my preferred assessment of his comment) or he's getting
confused (highly unlikely).

<< Aramaic and Hebrew are so similar that
anyone who can read the one, can probably, in real life, read the
other.  Any language experts out there who know better? >>

I'm not a language expert, but if it's an ancient form I'd imagine it may be
quite different.  Some English speakers have trouble with Chaucer, for
example.

<< How did Superman get into the chamber after the bomb goes off without
anyone at STAR labs being exposed?  What kind of a chamber is it that
has a convenient skylight type door over it but is permanently attached
to the floor?  Huh?  Help? >>

That one's always bothered me, too.  Since he was underground when the bomb
went off, my best explanation would be that he tunneled until he was
underneath STAR Labs' chamber (which he could locate thanks to x-ray vision)
and then burrowed up.  I can't explain the lack of debris on the chamber
floor, but maybe he resealed the hole to prevent any radiation leaks!

<< I don't quite get why he doesn't understand
the light theory when he understood so much of the rocket science in
the pilot. >>

The rocket science was presumably based on established principles which he
would have had time to read and digest in the past.  A new theory,
understood
by so few people, would not have had so much exposure and consequently he
may
just not have got around to it!

<< And why doesn't he have a prepared explanation for where he was for 3
days?  Didn't he "see" Lois' question coming?  I enjoyed the episode
but puleeease! >>

Probably the same reason he stumbles for reasons for so much of the 1st 2
seasons!  (Whatever that is<g>.)  Maybe it's based on the "Superman can't
lie"
principle, so he has to try to think up something not entirely untrue.

<< Does Jack figure out that Clark is Superman.  If he doesn't, he's not
as smart as he's supposed to be. >>

I always got the impression that he had guessed the secret.

<< Since when is the cape bullet proof? >>

I would say it's only bullet proof when it's close enough to Clark's body to
be included within his aura.

<< Is there a wedding day reference in this episode?[JSN] >>

I don't think so - just that they'll reduce the pressure by not mentioning
the
"M" word.

<< Lois' line, "prepare to be stunned" was used recently by TNT for a
promo for a non-L&C program. >>

"Lois" says "Stand by to be stunned."

<< Clark should have been able to hear Lois from inside the limo, don't
you think?  (someone else brought this up recently).  How was Red able
to hear Lois yell "Stop" only a few moments later? >>

This isn't an episode I watch much, but Lois wasn't talking very loudly
before
Lex injected her, and it rather depends on what else Clark was doing at the
time.  When Lois yelled "Stop" a few moments later her voice was returning
although different to normal (so Clark may not have been able to identify
that
even if he hadn't got far after flying off - which he probably had).  And
Red
may have got a slight clue that she wanted him to stop by the fact that she
was running in front of the truck and waving her arms about<g>.

<< Was there not a single Daily Planet employee right outside the building
who could have given Lois a hand? >>

Probably all inside fighting over the last banana cream doughnut.

<< If Clark suspects already that Lois is an imposter, as per the scene
with his parents just before, when the clone speaks to him, why doesn't
he let on? >>

Saying what, and to whom?

<<  Why doesn't Jimmy think Lois' behavior is
strange when she comes on to him? >>

I thought he did!

<< Does Lex really think he and Clark are two sides of the same coin?
Clark is still too decent to realize Lex is using him, which he regrets
later. >>

Hard to tell what Lex really believes, but I think maybe he truly enjoys the
challenge of Superman.  As in the Pilot with the snake, ILTY with the
crocodile hunting, etc, he appears to welcome a worthy adversary.  He even
says this at one point (and I'm not naming the episode because the British
videos seem to have swapped them around somehow and I always call it what
the
video does<g>).  I think two sides of the same coin may be going a bit far,
but Lex has a pretty warped mind, so who knows!

<< The last scene is very confusing with Clark changing into Superman for
about three seconds just to stop the car.  Why doesn't Clark run to
Lois first right after?
How can he believe her when she says she doesn't love him?>>

Clark would never make Lois do something she didn't want to and to him she
must have sounded convincing; apart from which a statement like that must
have
put him into shock and therefore clouded his judgment.

<< How did the clone end up in STAR labs? >>

I watch Seconds even less that DJ (like maybe 4 times as opposed to 100-200
for most of the others), but I'm guessing Clark took her there.

<< Some of the scenes Lois sees in her dreams, she could never have seen,
wasn't there, if you recognize where the shots were lifted from. >>

Correct.  It ranks along with those photographs L&C have of themselves when
no
one was around to take the pictures!

<< Why doesn't Clark hear the call the bank clerk places to Luthor? >>

He'd probably have to tune in to hear something, or mentally prepare
himself:
If he didn't tune out most sounds he'd be constantly confused by hearing
everyone speaking together all the time!  (Like the last episode of The X-
Files where the mind-reading boy liked chess as there was only one mind on
which to concentrate.)

<< Did Lois miss at the end?  Why didn't the big gun work? >>

As I said, I never watch this ep, but wasn't the gun deflected somehow?
Also,
I don't think a single blast would do it; it would take prolonged exposure
to
kill Superman.

<< Where's Friskin when Lois needs her? >>

Well, if Lois is at a clinic she would presumably have to use whichever
psychiatrists are there.

<< How stereotypical to have only two psychiatrists in the whole place,
they both have German names and they're both rotten to the core. >>

You think that's bad?!  Try being English and watching the bad guys in US
shows!

<< Clark is unusually positive about Lois' recovery when he speaks to
Jimmy, then shows his folks how depressed he really is?  Which is it? >>

I don't think there's necessarily any incongruity here:  He's trying to be
positive, but lets those closest to him see his deepest fears.

<< Dr. Deter is meant to be very similar to Clark in many ways, hence
Lois' confusion. >>

Huh?

<< Isn't Lois "sane" in order to fool the older doctor into believing
she's killed Perry? >>

I don't think her sanity was ever in question.  Once she's out from under
the
spell of the hypnosis (and hearing The Battle Hymn of the Republic)  I don't
see why she can't think normally just because she has some memory loss.

<< LL plates on Lois' jeep. >>

They were always there, not just in OW.

<< Why are we so sure this was ghost written and not Teri's work?  Rumor? >>

Lane Smith recently suggested this.

<< How did the PE teacher know the name Kent as in "little Kent" since
Clark wasn't with Lois at the time. >>

Well she was meant to be a fortune-teller <g>.  But seriously, I think she'd
know that a high-profile ex-student like Lois was engaged, and to whom.
Everyone else did!

<< Lois Kent?  Doesn't Lois try on this moniker during HoL? >>

Yes, along with several others.

<< Whatever Lolo wants, Lolo gets?  How corny can she get? >>

Ooh, very!

<< Clark's apartment door wasn't locked? >>

Maybe the intruder had a skeleton key or just picked the lock quickly and
quietly!  Or maybe Clark had just been out previously to pick up a paper or
something!  He probably didn't feel the need to lock the door to keep out
burglars while he was inside.

<< We all know how men feel about size.  Was Teri trying to put Dean in
his place? >>

This was about the time one British magazine (at least) claimed that Dean
was
arguing he should be paid twice as much as Teri as he was playing two parts.
I never had any faith in the veracity of the claim, though.

<< The whole bit over the price of the Pearl Jam tickets made me
uncomfortable.  What was the point of making Clark look cheap? >>

We don't know how much was being asked for the tickets!  Anyway, he was
still
prepared to pay.

<< Why does Superman scare Perry by pushing him out of the flying chair,
knowing full-well he was going to catch him again? >>

He has to push Perry out before the bomb explodes; he catches him again
afterwards and there wasn't enough time to explain!

<< There is a picture of two people on Clark's desk.  Is it his parents? >>

Sometimes it's also him and Lois.

<< Shouldn't Clark have gone first into the under-the-sidewalk stairwell? >>

Ladies first!<g>

<< The Kryptonite is a real small piece, smaller than the piece in Metallo
but it is supposed to be the same piece.  It is so small. I didn't
think it would hurt Superman very much.  Any thoughts? >>

They probably had to file it down or something to fit into the robotic arm
(whereas in Metallo there was more room in Johnny's chest cavity).  He's
been
hurt by smaller pieces (Mrs Cox's piece, for example).

<< What brings Superman to Lex's lair?  Lois didn't really scream and,
although Clark knows where it is, how does he know to show up? >>

If he's looking for Lois he'll be attuned to her voice, and he can always x-
ray to make sure before bursting in.  I don't think the sewers are
lead-lined,
are they?

Frances
(debating whether to watch the whole non-wedding arc again or just jump from
INPY to OW as usual)
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In a message dated 98-07-27 15:25:53 EDT, cschnall@MAIL.MED.CORNELL.EDU
writes:

<< In "Top Copy" the holographic Superman tells the public that Clark was
 cleaning his suits for him and that he doesn't have a washing machine.
 Well, neither does Clark!   It is implied in Chi of Steel that he has
 one, which Jonathan uses to mix the red cape with Clark's white shirt
 to make it pink.  It is also logical for him to have a washer and drier
 because he could not bring the Suit to the Laundromat!  However, we
 never actually see the washer or drier in Clark's apartment, that I
 noticed. >>

How do you know he doesn't have one?? But, seriously, maybe it's downstairs
in
the basement of the building for all the tennants to use...

<<Lois says at the end that she never had Chinese food this good.  But
didn't she have marvelous Chinese food thanks to Clark going all the
way to China for it in the pilot?>>

Yeah, I always wondered about that one too!

<<Clark's birthday is given as 2/28/66 (the day he was found by the
Kents).  Of course, he is actually older, by weeks, months or years?
Is it nailed down in the comics?>>

No, he was found in May.

<<It doesn't seem terribly cold in Smallville, even though its supposed
to be February.  Did I miss something here?)>>

I often think that only us easterners (or northerers) notice stuff like
this.
They just have NO clue in Hollywood, apparently...

<<Can Lois get full on virtual pastrami?>>

only virtually full <g> which is, of course, temporary.

<<I was also
surprised about that because Aramaic and Hebrew are so similar that
anyone who can read the one, can probably, in real life, read the
other.  Any language experts out there who know better?>>

Well the alphabet may be similar enough to look at, but that doesn't mean
that
everyone fluent in modern Hebrew would be able to read ancient Hebrew;
forget
Aramaic...

<<The restaurant where Jack (doesn't anyone know another name besides
Jack on this series?) and Jimmy and Lois and Clark have dinner is
really the Daily Planet set, I think.  The stairs to the reference
library are what tipped me off.>>

Ah, I thought it looked familiar, too.

<<Where's Asabi's turbin?>>

you mean it comes off like the superman suit??? <g>

<<Why didn't Clark just float up to the bottle when he couldn't reach
it.>>

THey'd already used up the special effects budget for the year?

<<And yes, FoLCs, I know it was just a television series.>>

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

--L (who will depart for WV tomorrow morning and be gone through next week
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At 01:32 PM 7/27/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Okay, Gary, I finally found it!
>
>Star Trek: The Next Generation.... Season Two, "The Outrageous Okona"
>Teri is featured as a "Lieutenant B.G. Robinson". Probably a *transporter*
>person.
>I think this meets the qualifications in your clues:
>"What was Ching?", and "How did Lois save the day in Toy Story?"
>
>Thanks for the ride!
>Marie
>

Good. Now can you describe the Romeo & Juliet type plot?

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In a message dated 98-07-27 15:25:53 EDT, you write:

<< The "S" shield on Superman's suit has a red "S" on a yellow background
 on the chest in both the Chris Reeve films and on L&C, but the cape in
 each bears only a yellow shield.  Oddly enough, the shield on the cape
 in the closing credits of L&C matches the chest shield.  Anyone know
 why they all don't match?  Is it one way or another in the comics?
  >>

Wow, you've got a ton of questions here<g>  I'll start with this one.  The
Superman costume in the comics (except for arcs of one kind or another) has
for the most part been red boots, red cape and red briefs.  The tights have
been blue and there has been an S shield on the chest.   Beyond those basics
have been refinements over the years.  The cape lenght has changed, the
boots
used to almost have a Roman sandal look and the S shield looked kind of like
a
kid's drawing of a "snakey" S.  It didn't become the familiar stylized S
until
the mid 1940s.  The yellow shield was made to accent the cape. The show's
"flowing cape" animation for the series used the chest sheild design.  Even
the famous jpg of Lois wrapped only in Superman's cape has the cape with the
chest shield and not the true cape from the series.

>>>The first shield is the original Kryptonian creation.  Eventually
Martha would have had to replicate it for Clark's multiple suits and
this would also be true for the alternate Clark/Superman.  I've seen
mentions of this in fanfics which were close to this aspect but not as
detailed.<<<<

Martha would likely need one of those very fancy (and expensive) applique'
machines that have humungous spools of thread on them.  The more
sophisticated
ones you program in a pattern and the applique' machine makes the applique'
(in this case the Superman S shield) to the programmed specifications.  The
fun thing is, when Superman got Murray as his agent, he could have approved
the sale of the Superman chest and cape shield and so his mom could just go
to
the department store and buy all she needs<g>

>>>Can anyone track the whereabouts of Clark's space ship thru the series?
 Clark says in one episode that he knows where it is and he can get it
but I thought it was missing for most of the time (or in secret
government storage along with the lost Ark of the Covenant from
"Raiders"!)  Mentions are made in several episodes but I have the
impression they don't track logically.<<<<<

Clark's ship is first seen in Strange Visitor.  Along with the ship is a
globe
that he keeps.  The globe apparently talks to him telephathically and tells
him he's from Krypton.  The ship had been buried on the Kent farm, but
apparently Bureau 39 had found it and taken it.  The ship is seen again in
GGGoH (crated)  The globe is seen again in The Foundling (though it's gotten
bigger ;) The ship is seen in HIWTHI where Mindy says she got it from a
secret
government agency (Bureau 39 apparently)  I'd say it was here that Clark got
it back.  Clark beat the police to  Mindy's  hideout and possibly retrieved
his spaceship and so it's final appearance was in BGDF when he said he could
get hold of it.  Just speculation on that last part, but since Mindy was
determined to frame Joey and left all kinds of evidence behind, the
spaceship
likely was one of the items as well.

>>>>Kryptonite is supposed to be a secret, despite the fact that all the
really bad guys know about it.  In GGGoH, doesn't Perry White encourage
Lois to name the rock?  I thought that meant that it is mentioned in
her news story and is therefore printed for public consumption.  I've
always been puzzled by what seems to be a contradiction.<<<

In GGGoH (first appearance of Kryptonite)  only Clark and Trask (and Clark's
parents) know that Kryptonite (not yet named) is lethal to Superman.  Trask
is
killed and Clark and his parents sure aren't going to verify that it really
exists<g> Lois thinks it was all the imagination of Trask, a madman who
wanted
Superman dead. So, even though she thinks the "green rock" is a phantom of
Trask's mind, Perry wants it named for the article. Lois suggests Kryptonium
and Clark (a bit of irony) suggests Kryptonite (because it's from a
meteorite
of Krypton)  It isn't untlil Madame Ex that Lois learned Kryptonite really
exists and is really lethal to Superman, but she keeps that secret.   I
think
it would be the incident in Top Copy that let the public in on the
Kryptonite
secret because Superman was in a public hospital suffering from the
Kryptonite
poisoning via Diana Stride.  It's not likely the secret survived after he
was
in the hospital.

>>>Clark's friend, editor of the Chinatown newspaper, when asked by Lois
how he knows Clark, answers that they have the same optometrist.  Now
we all know Clark doesn't need those glasses so does Clark have to fake
needing glasses and fool the optometrist?<<<<

We don't know if Clark needed glasses or not<g>  He certainly was wearing
glasses before he came to Metropolis.  The people of Smallville must have
known him as wearing glasses because no one said "Hey, Clark, when did you
start wearing glasses?"<g>  Fanfic has speculated the the glasses were given
to him by the Kents when he started getting his visual powers as a reminder
not to use those powers casually.  Some suggest he was given glasses because
the Kents wore glasses, but there's always the possibility that Clark
*needed*
glasses.  Does everyone from Krypton have 20/20 vision?  It's true he can
use
his magnifying power and see the minutest detail, but it is a conscious use
of
power when he does that.  Maybe when he's not using a visual power, his eyes
are pretty much like human eyes, and that also might mean they aren't 20/20.
Only Ching made the assumption that Clark didn't need the glasses, I'd ask
Ching "How the heck do *you* know that for a fact?" <g>  It might be cute if
in this version of Superman that Clark wore glasses simply because he
*needed*
them ;)

>>Lois says at the end that she never had Chinese food this good.  But
didn't she have marvelous Chinese food thanks to Clark going all the
way to China for it in the pilot?<<<

There's the possibility she was just being nice for Jonathan's sake.  It was
apparently good, and so that might have sounded like a nice compliment,
especially if it was assumed to be Jonathan's first try at cooking.

>>Kryptonite as power source? (and again in The Phoenix)  Beyond the
radiation it emits, what power does it have.  Is it like a battery or
like plutonium.  Perhaps one of the science oriented FoLCs could
explain this to me?<<<

It ain't science, it's the comic book<g>  Metallo comes from the comics.  He
is a cyborg powered by Kryptonite.  They don't explain it much in the comics
either ;)

>>>Clark's birthday is given as 2/28/66 (the day he was found by the
Kents).  Of course, he is actually older, by weeks, months or years?
Is it nailed down in the comics?<<<

In the comics Superman's birthday is February 29th (leap year) but since
Strange Visitor gave the date the ship landed as May 17th 1966 (a non leap
year) the show got as close as they could with Feb 28th.  Also, in the
comics
(post crisis -- current) Clark is literally *born* on earth because he was
in
a birthing matrix chamber in his spaceship.  His Kryptonian parents never
even
really touched him.  When the Kents find him, the chamber opens and he's
"born" to them there on the spot.

>>>It doesn't seem terribly cold in Smallville, even though its supposed
to be February.  Did I miss something here?)<<

It is mid-May in Smallville (the month Clark's ship landed in Smallville)
Apparently the Kents gave Clark a Feb birthdate since they found him in May
and he was already a few months old.  I think you're confusing the date his
ship landed (May 17th) to the birthday (Feb 28th) the Kents gave him.
Trivia
on the ship landing date, that is Bryce Zabel's birthday (he wrote Strange
Visitor and GGGoH)

>>>Clark gets to show at least 3 or maybe four times how innately brave he
is, even without his powers.  It always bothered me that in GGGoH,
Clark fears being shot.  Did I misunderstand that scene?  It has always
made me uncomfortable.<<<<

Well, I think he was terrified losing his powers for the first time, and he
was chained and a gun pointed at him with Trask actually dry-firing the
weapon
at him.  In Ultra Woman, he gets into a fight with some thugs who are
beating
up on a defenseless man, and they appear to be unarmed.   When the Newtrich
sisters have him tied to a chair and are going to kill  him, they want him
to
call Lois into a trap, and he won't betray her. He'd rather die than betray
Lois and so I think there's a difference in motivation between the reactions
in both episodes.  The circumstances were different.

>>>Can Lois get full on virtual pastrami?<<<

Appranently not, as she stated in the episode that she wasn't full after all
the things she ate.  Clark is the one who said he was full just watching her
eat<g>

>>>n JSN, Clark can't read the
Aramaic, which surprised me because he recognizes it as similar to
Hebrew, which he presumably can read but not Aramaic.  I was also
surprised about that because Aramaic and Hebrew are so similar that
anyone who can read the one, can probably, in real life, read the
other.  Any language experts out there who know better?<<<<

Aramaic and Hebrew use similar "characters" but so does French and English,
yet I can promise you, I can't read French<g>  A lot of our words come from
Greek and Latin, but I can't read Greek and Latin.  Now on IRC some Folc
were
conversing in Portugese, and I can't read or understand Portugese, but I do
know Spanish, and some words were similar like "mas" (more) and the word
"cervejas" looked like "cervesa" (beer) in Spanish so I asked if someone was
asking for more beer, and they said that was correct.  But a biblical page
of
scripture might be tougher to translate even if there were enough similar
words.  I got the feeling that since Clark was a world traveler, mastering
languages helped him communicate wherever he was, but he was not in a
scholarly pursuit of language.  I think he concentrated on "living"
languages
in his travels. Though likely did know Latin too.

>>>How did Superman get into the chamber after the bomb goes off without
anyone at STAR labs being exposed?  What kind of a chamber is it that
has a convenient skylight type door over it but is permanently attached
to the floor?  Huh?  Help?<<<

I think you might be looking at it backward.  That is, once Clark was
exposed
to the radiation, he could have phoned STAR Labs of his predicament (and
much
to the anger of the phone company burned that booth to the ground so the
radiation wouldn't linger there either ;) and STAR Labs could have rigged
the
champer and skylight for Superman's "predicament".  Sort of like Scotty
rigging the Enterprise to hold whales and sea water.  Just a thought.

>>>Clark can read, think, type, etc, so fast.  He may not know everything
but can remember anything?  I don't quite get why he doesn't understand
the light theory when he understood so much of the rocket science in
the pilot.<<<<

Clark seemed to learn things on a "I need to know this" basis.  That is, in
the pilot did Clark have that knowledge about the shuttle rockets *before*
there was a fear that it was sabotaged, or did he read everything he could
about the shuttle once that became a suspicion?  He reads up on pschology
when
he fears Lois has been doing things "unbalanced" in Madame Ex.  Like the
languages, I think Clark took the practical approach to learning and not
just
a "thirst for knowledge" approach.  Even in Ordinary People, he's reading
Men
are from Mars Woman are from Venus<g> Not that it helped since he broke
Lois's
heart (for her own good) in the very next episode ;)

>>>How did he find the clothes to borrow from Lois?<<<<

I'm going to assume it was an amusing amount of trial and error<g> The shoes
however must come from somewhere else.  Not unless Lois had some real
gunboat
sized feet<g>

>>>He stumbles about
comically thru most of the episode but gets the hand of it towards the
end when he finds the pen at the Daily Planet?  He's moving at
superspeed but doesn't knock anything over?  He even finds the light
control panel?<<<<

I have to accept it as the series' shorthand.  That is Clark fumbles around
in
a bathroom stall trying to get dressed as Superman, and then in the very
next
episode he is so good at changing, he can do so in midair.  I'm sure he went
off and practiced, but that's what fanfic is for<g>  MIght be interesting if
Clark took a lesson from bats, and was using a kind of echo-location to find
his way without eyesight.  Okay, more fanfic ;)

>>>And why doesn't he have a prepared explanation for where he was for 3
days?  Didn't he "see" Lois' question coming?<<

Yeah, I felt gypped when they cut off for the titles there.  That story
should
have been quite a whopper ;)

>>>Episode:  Just Say Noah (see several notes above) Is there a wedding day
reference in this episode?<<<<<

Well, given they weren't engaged yet in JSN, why would there be?

>>>Does someone say "Hold the Phone"?  Can anyone remember why and give me
some insight as to why this sounds so strange or is actually loigcal?<<

You mean some meaning beyond just the expression "Hold the phone"?  That is,
the phrase itself is an expression meaning 'let's get right down to it' with
no interruptions. If Perry said "Wait a minute, hold the phone, ace, what
exactly are you getting at?"  He's simply using that expression to emphasize
that he wants an answer right then and there.  Is that what you mean?

>>>Okay, why didn't Clark detect the frog breath?  Yes, I know that ABC
jerked them around about the wedding, etc, and the frog breath question
is not a new one.<<<

Depends if the clone swallowed the frogs whole or chewed them<g>

>>>>Clark should have been able to hear Lois from inside the limo, don't
you think?  (someone else brought this up recently).  How was Red able
to hear Lois yell "Stop" only a few moments later? <<<<

Unlike Red, Superman doesn't have rearview mirrors?<g>

>>>Was there not a single Daily Planet employee right outside the building
who could have given Lois a hand?<<<<

Watch how many people are all around Lois in front of the Daily Planet in
Witness when Lois is pushed out in traffic.  Only Clark jumped out to save
her.  It's a mean-spirited town<g>

>>>How did the clone end up in STAR labs?<<<

NIA apparently got hold of the clones.  I believe Klein mentions that.

>>>Some of the scenes Lois sees in her dreams, she could never have seen,
wasn't there, if you recognize where the shots were lifted from.<<<

Because only fans would notice<g>  I mean in The Eyes Have It, why does
Clark
remember from Lois's point of view? Hee hee ;)

>>>In ILTY, Lois tells Clark she would rather be invisible than fly.  She
has changed her mind by now?<<<

Didn't she mention that she and Clark had something in common. That he
wanted
to fly like Superman and she wanted to fly with Superman?

>>>Isn't Lois "sane" in order to fool the older doctor into believing
she's killed Perry?<<<

"Insanity" is a legal term used for mental illness, Lois wasn't mentally
ill,
she just had amnesia.

>>>Why does Superman take Herkimer's remote away from him.  The machine
was unplugged.  Evidence?<<<

Men always play "remote commandos"  <g>

>>Why are we so sure this was ghost written and not Teri's work?  Rumor?<<<

That was stated by Lane Smith, who likely has no idea<g>  Teri co-wrote it
with someone who is a screenwriter and who is credited with co-writing it.

>>>How did the PE teacher know the name Kent as in "little Kent" since
Clark wasn't with Lois at the time.<<<

Because this episode was to follow with Lois and Clark married until ABC
made
sure no wedding took place. Clark would have been her husband, and the name
plate thing was to be a gift at a "Congratulations" party at the Daily
Planet.

>>>Clark's apartment door wasn't locked?<<<

Did the guy just open the door, or pick the lock first? Isn't the door
opening
shown from the inside?

>>>We all know how men feel about size.  Was Teri trying to put Dean in
his place?<<<

Some say Teri's husband wanted Dean shrunk<g.

>>>The whole bit over the price of the Pearl Jam tickets made me
uncomfortable.  What was the point of making Clark look cheap?<<<

He's always been cheap<g> Remember he tells Lois the roses cost him 50 bucks
in The Prankster.  It wasn't cheap what he paid for them, but cheap he
mentioned the price as if the monetary value was somehow more important than
the meaning behind them.

>>>Why does Superman scare Perry by pushing him out of the flying chair,
knowing full-well he was going to catch him again?<<<

Why would Perry think Superman wouldn't catch him?

>>>The Kryptonite is a real small piece, smaller than the piece in Metallo
but it is supposed to be the same piece.  It is so small. I didn't
think it would hurt Superman very much.  Any thoughts?<<<

Actually looks like the same piece from Metallo to me.

>>>What brings Superman to Lex's lair?  Lois didn't really scream and,
although Clark knows where it is, how does he know to show up?<<<

Because Clark and Lois were there earlier.  Remember, the scene where you
said
Clark should have gone first? ;)

>>Comments will be welcome.<<

Well, those are mine for what they're worth ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (long post, size does matter ;)
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>  Even in Ordinary People, he's reading Men
> are from Mars Woman are from Venus
 When in the episode does this happen?
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In a message dated 98-07-27 03:40:22 EDT, you write:

<< Zoomway@aol.com (okay, maybe it is a pornographic memory ;) >>

Zoom,
I don't care what kind of memory it really is- Thanks so much for making
this
list such GOOOOOOOOD reading.  =)   Keep it up!
Now back to Lurk Mode---- Deborah
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> >>>How did Lois save the day in Toy Story?(Hint: It happens more than once
in the episode.) She kneed > >>>someone in the crotch?
> >
> >I must say for the record that Teri did that very well, I saw it in her
eyes. I remember yelling at the TV > >and Col. Cash "Watch the knee!"

Debby Stark wrote:
> For a military man, he was totally right in his plans to save the world,
but he must have been letting his >lieutenants watch out for the
thoughtless, senseless sneak attacks.

This does bring up something -- a whole big something that seemed like a
gaping hole to me, *or*, more likely a budget shortfall experienced by
the show.

In Battlefield Earth, the armed forces arrayed against the alien
invasion seemed pathetic to say the least.  Why not make Colonel Cash a
General?  Would they have had to pay the actor more?<g>  I wondered if
the writers had kept his rank at a certain level in order to make it
look like Cash was some sort of renegade who could be easily dispensed
with afterwards. However, I find that an unlikely proposition since it
is clear that he was getting his orders from somewhere and it appears
that the military did create a "silver bullet" which could defeat
Superman.  I can't believe the Colonel did *that* all on his own.

I agree with both Debby's sentiments above and Genevieve's take in her
fanfic, "After the Battle".  Cash -- and mankind -- had a duty to use
whatever they could to defeat this invasion.  They obviously could not
rely on Superman alone.  That's why I found Cash's arrest (which is only
referred to in the episode) to be not only
totally mystifying, but downright silly.  It ties everything up in a
nice little bow when it would have been much more satisfying to leave it
an open issue.  By not arresting Cash, which would have presumably been
an acknowledgement of the rightness of his actions, the authorities
would be saying, there is a line we are willing to draw against
Superman.  This is a far more interesting idea than the one with which
we were presented.  In my mind, I rationalized it by assuming that the
Military was not in dispute with the principle of what Cash was doing
but the timing.

Genevieve, I liked your story, but I would have liked the whole idea you
presented fleshed out a bit more. Perhaps have Cash on trial and
Superman coming to his defense.<g>

On the flip side, I would enjoy reading a fanfic which looks at how
Clark/Superman would deal with a group of people who idolized him to the
point of worship.  Sort of a cult of Superman which was portrayed a bit
in the Death of Superman novel.  Considering that in the past we have
talked about the religious comparisons to the Superman story, I don't
see why the denizens of Metropolis, and Earth as a whole, couldn't see
at least some of the analogies as well -- even if they were clueless
about the exact details.

****************
>>>The whole bit over the price of the Pearl Jam tickets made me
uncomfortable.  What was the point of making Clark look cheap?<<<

>>He's always been cheap<g> Remember he tells Lois the roses cost him 50
bucks in The Prankster.  It wasn't cheap what he paid for them, but cheap he
mentioned the price as if the monetary value was somehow more important than
the meaning behind them.<<

Ha! I said this once and was promptly taken to task for my troubles.
Hmph!  I guess it not only matters what is said, but who says it!

(By the way, I thought that whole Pearl Jam thing was unbelieveable as
well. Couldn't quite picture either Lois or Clark wanting to attend such
a concert -- unless maybe Tony Blake and/or Paul Jackson were fans.  If
they had to attend any concert why not Bruce, or Tina, or the Stones --
rock for the mature audience.)

Sandy
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In a message dated 98-07-27 20:49:54 EDT, salymc@gateway.net writes:

<< Why not make Colonel Cash a
 General?  Would they have had to pay the actor more?<g>  I wondered if
 the writers had kept his rank at a certain level in order to make it
 look like Cash was some sort of renegade who could be easily dispensed
 with afterwards.  >>

No, they did it for the alliteration <g>.

--Laurie
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Argh!  Sorry guys if any of my last message ran off the screen. (It sure
did mine.)  As Genevieve can attest -- she's been my sounding board
throughout this whole "get to know your new home computer" melodrama --
I am testing out mail programs to find the one which suits me best.
(Haven't *quite* got there yet.)

Anyway, there is something to be said for having a huge Computer
Services Dept. behind you, as I do at the office.  To paraphrase Diane
Keaton in "Baby Boom," I don't want to how the water gets here, I just
want it to work.

Sandy -- who is learning more about computers than she ever wanted to
know.
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A lot of other people have weighed in on some of these, but there were a
few I wanted to respond to:

At 03:33 PM 7/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>The use of primary colors (red, yellow, and blue) in backgrounds is done
>quite a lot in film and television in general and commercials and animation
>in particular.  Did anyone notice that in the Superman films and in L&C,
>this is raised to a fine art?  Look in nearly every scene, in every
>background, objects appear to keep the colors of the Supersuit always
evident.

This is very true.  One of the cutest uses was in AKA Superman - the little
sticky notes in *Superman's*  very messy day planner were red, yellow, and
blue. :)

>Clark says he's a briefs man but we only see him in boxers, except for the
>Suit, of course.

Not necessarily.  Though Clark does wear shorts to sleep in, I can recall
at least one time when you can actually see the line of his boxers under
his shorts. ;)
>
>Clark gets to show at least 3 or maybe four times how innately brave he is,
>even without his powers.  It always bothered me that in GGGoH, Clark fears
>being shot.  Did I misunderstand that scene?  It has always made me
>uncomfortable.

I thought this scene was deliberately written and played to contrast with
his almost arrogant appearance in the teaser when he tells the criminal
that nothing has ever hurt him - so far.  Also, Clark's courage always got
an extra boost when someone he loved was in danger. That made him rise
above his natural fear which is a good definition of bravery. :)

>Clark can read, think, type, etc, so fast.  He may not know everything but
>can remember anything?  I don't quite get why he doesn't understand the
>light theory when he understood so much of the rocket science in the pilot.

Zoom gave a good answer to this one - Clark seems to learn what he needs
when he needs it. With the rocket science in the pilot, he follows *one*
statement about the shuttle's systems, which sounded like fairly basic
physics to me, though don't quote me on that. <g>  He read the theories of
Dr.Emil Hamilton in TOGOM and understood them well enough to use them as a
phoney explanation to Lois about how he could still be alive, but he'd also
been studying up on cloning before that.  Dr. Faraday's light theories were
considered to be unusually esoteric, and he just hadn't had time to figure
them out. <g>

>The restaurant where Jack (doesn't anyone know another name besides Jack on
>this series?)

Jack Olsen was borrowed from the comics, both his name and his occupation.
At least our Jimmy still has his dad - you don't want to know what happened
to him in the comic book. <G>

>Clark should have been able to hear Lois from inside the limo, don't you
>think?

Clark was in the middle of a subway rescue and he was being harangued by
Clois for spousal insensitivity and frozen yogurt money.  Give the guy a
break. ;)

>This is as close to murderous Clark has gotten ever, up to this point.

Physical actions are the way Clark expresses his emotions. When Clark
pushes Lex up against a wall, that's as powerful a moment for me as that
primal scream in House of Luthor.

>Did Lois miss at the end?  Why didn't the big gun work?

Sorry, don't follow this one.  Lois can't bring herself to shoot at
Superman ("I can't!")  - she hits the pillar instead, and then when Lex
takes it from her to do the job himself, she forces it down, but the gun
definitely works.

>Clark is unusually positive about Lois' recovery when he speaks to Jimmy,
>then shows his folks how depressed he really is?  Which is it?

When Clark speaks to Jimmy, he's trying to convince both of them since he
wants it to be true.  I don't think his actual feelings change from one
scene to another, just what he's willing to admit.

>Clark gets to say "I'm Superman" again and Dr. Deter may have a point about
>the rules not applying to him.  It's a very odd moment.  Any thoughts?

It's one of the great things about "Lois and Clark" that it lets Superman
be the complicated person he is and that means that he has an ego and a
touch of arrogance sometimes. ;)  Clark is a wonderful person but he does
have these little moments that remind you that he's not just a image.

>Superman seems to have figured out a better way to stop cars, blow the
>tires first!

AltClark did it first. <g>

>How did the PE teacher know the name Kent as in "little Kent" since Clark
>wasn't with Lois at the time.

>From my experience with class reunions, Lois might have filled out one of
those questionnaires that they send you.  She could have listed Clark's
name as her future husband, plus they're also pretty well known
professionally in Metropolis.  If the PE teacher was going around playing
fortune teller, she could have studied up on her former students.

>We all know how men feel about size.  Was Teri trying to put Dean in his
place?

If so, it didn't work. Not once during the episode does Superman seem
embarrassed by being smaller.  Worried and frustrated, yes, but not
embarrassed. Even the Mighty Mouse line, which is very funny, comes from
him toconvince her that things are serious, not as a putdown. I love the
scenes of him creeping around the picture frames and trying to calm Lois
down.

>Episode:  The Phoenix
>
>The whole bit over the price of the Pearl Jam tickets made me
>uncomfortable.  What was the point of making Clark look cheap?

Why is being appalled at the price of concert tickets being cheap?  He
bought them anyway, and then gave them to Jimmy and I don't think he was
disappointed about losing the money. ;)  I think this was pretty consistent
with Clark's small town upbringing.  Remember his reaction to the price of
his dump of an apartment? ;)  Mentioning the cost of the roses Lois ruined
might not have been smooth, but cheap - no, I don't think so.  Superman
doesn't have a lot of money - Clark lives on his salary just like the rest
of us.  He wasn't thrilled with Clois apparently maxing out the credit
cards either. <G> Granted he has a lot of advantages, but his natural
attitude is to be frugal, which is to be expected from the son of a farmer.

Georgia

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In a message dated 98-07-27 20:49:54 EDT, you write:

<< In Battlefield Earth, the armed forces arrayed against the alien
 invasion seemed pathetic to say the least.  Why not make Colonel Cash a
 General?  Would they have had to pay the actor more?<g>  I wondered if
 the writers had kept his rank at a certain level in order to make it
 look like Cash was some sort of renegade who could be easily dispensed
 with afterwards. However, I find that an unlikely proposition since it
 is clear that he was getting his orders from somewhere and it appears
 that the military did create a "silver bullet" which could defeat
 Superman.  I can't believe the Colonel did *that* all on his own. >>

If Cash had been a general, should he have been a one, two, three or four
star
general? ;)  Seriously though, generals aren't often in command of anything
less than a regiment of men, or are put in charge of combined forces units.
As
for obeying orders, Cash did obey orders, but only to a certain point.  When
the attack is launched on the forcefield Cash is obeying orders and even
says
so. You might have missed the part after the unsuccessful attack on the
forcefield where Jimmy comes in and says the UN told the world military to
stand down for 48 hours in hopes of negotiating with the Kryptonians (after
seeing there wasn't much realistically the military could do with
conventional
weapons anyway ;) and to buy time for Kal-El to try and find a way to
liberate
Smallville.  They didn't throw their hands in the air and surrender, but
they
did put a 48 hour ban on military action and it was that ban that Cash
disobeyed.

>>>>I found Cash's arrest (which is only
referred to in the episode) to be not only
totally mystifying, but downright silly.<<<

What did I miss? Why was it "silly" that Cash was arrested for disobeying a
direct order and taking provocative while a ban on military action was
ordered?  In the episode Cash starts to call the Pentagon saying his men
should be allowed to act and is reminded about the 48 hour ban.  Perry says
it
wouldn't do any good anyway because there are no weapons that would defeat
the
Kryptonians, and so that is where the wheels start turning for Colonel Cash
and when he decides to take action in direct disobedience of orders.  I'm
sure
Cash got leniency or even had the charges against him dropped since I can't
imagine anyone mourning the deaths of those three Kryptonians. In fact most
people were probably downright happy they croaked.  However, if the point is
why he got arrested to begin with, then he got arrested for disobeying
orders
and taking matters into his own hands. I imagine in that case, it was the
military who arrested him.

>>>I agree with both Debby's sentiments above and Genevieve's take in her
fanfic, "After the Battle".  Cash -- and mankind -- had a duty to use
whatever they could to defeat this invasion<<<

Gosh darn, I agree, that's why I always thought Trask was on the right
track<g> In his mind, Superman was the vanguard of the invading horde to
come.
In a way he turned out to be right. If Trask had killed Superman, then Ching
and Zara wouldn't have found "Kal-El" and neither would Nor who traced Kal-
El's whereabouts through them<g>  Trask, the unsung, unwept hero of planet
Earth, I salute you ;)

>>>Ha! I said this once and was promptly taken to task for my troubles.
Hmph!  I guess it not only matters what is said, but who says it!<<<

Aw<g>  Clark was cheap, but in a cute way. He had lived from a battered
suitcase for a long time. He didn't put down roots anywhere once he left
Smallville. He had to borrow money from his folks he was so broke when he
arrived in Metropolis and so once he decided to stay put, the cost of things
likely got to him a bit. "950...*dollars*!" (no, Clark, 950 nickels ;) Where
I
live that would be an outrageously high price for an apartment and no doubt
a
lot more so for someone from Smallville.   Mabye "cheap" isn't the exact
word,
but he was certainly "cost conscious" (that sound better ;)

>>>By the way, I thought that whole Pearl Jam thing was unbelieveable as
well. Couldn't quite picture either Lois or Clark wanting to attend such
a concert -- unless maybe Tony Blake and/or Paul Jackson were fans.  If
they had to attend any concert why not Bruce, or Tina, or the Stones --
rock for the mature audience.)<<<

In the original script of The Phoenix it is a Rolling Stones concert.  Jimmy
even ends up with a cup that Mick Jagger stepped on as a souvenir.  I think
it
got changed to reflect the flavor of the year band.  Personally I can't
imagine Clark wanting to go to a rock concert even if it's the Stones, at
least not as a first date with Lois unless he wanted the date to sound like
less pressure than a dinner date or impress her with getting the hot ticket
in
town.  Either way, I much preferred their dinner date.

Zoomway@aol.com (I figured out why I gab so much, I used to set Zork to
"maximum verbosity" ;)
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In a message dated 98-07-27 22:46:06 EDT, gwalde14@MINDSPRING.COM writes:

<< Not once during the episode does Superman seem
 embarrassed by being smaller. >>

Oh? I thought that was exactly why he didn't want Lois to see him "looking
like Mighty Mouse."

--Laurie
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<<Why didn't Clark just float up to the bottle when he couldn't reach
it.>>

I have a theory...okay, it may be dumb, but here it is:  doesn't he make
a noise when he floats or flies?  Maybe he didn't want to alert her
attention.

<<I've always thought the blue of the Suit would be visible under
Clark's
shirts.  Any thoughts?>>

I always thought so too, btw--what happens to it when he rolls up his
sleeves?  I know I saw an ep where his sleeves are rolled up..does he
roll of the Suit's sleeves too?  And where is the boots and the cape?
Does he compact them or something?

<<Since the snake at the end escapes out of the plane and onto the
airport tarmac, it is implied that since Sunday is missing and we hear
his laughter over the soundtrack, that he might return.  Idea for a
fanfic?>>

For a bit I was thinking of actually trying a fanfic like that, but
well, I don't really have that good of writing skills.  btw--maybe they
were planning Sunday coming back in another season, but then they got
cancelled.

<<Continuity problem with Clark's hands free in the shot just before the
explosion but he's still tied in the story.  (This was mentioned
recently).>>

Noticed this too, maybe the ppl behind LnC just made a mistake.

<<Can Lois get full on virtual pastrami?>>

If she could be fooled into believing that the virtual world was real,
she could be fooled into believing that she was getting full??

<<Does Jack figure out that Clark is Superman.  If he doesn't, he's not
as smart as he's supposed to be.>>

He hinted he did, so I think the did.

BTW--here's one of my own.  Tempus Fugitive:  If Clark's parents saw the
uhm shooting star or meteor, and that's how they stumpled accross the
spaceship, then how come the spaceship lands early?  How did they see a
meteor then?  Wouldn't there have been none?

:)  --CiceroCat aka Jodi--
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On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 06:01:18 -0700 LLOYD RALSTON
<lloydr@LDD.NET> wrote:

> <<Since the snake at the end escapes out of the plane and onto the
> airport tarmac, it is implied that since Sunday is missing and we hear
> his laughter over the soundtrack, that he might return.  Idea for a
> fanfic?>>
>
> For a bit I was thinking of actually trying a fanfic like that, but
> well, I don't really have that good of writing skills.  btw--maybe they
> were planning Sunday coming back in another season, but then they got
> cancelled.
>

I for one would not like to see another ep with Baron
Sunday, either on TV or in 'Season 6' - I absolutely
*loathed* the character, and NOAS remains (after Soul Mates
and STG...) my least favourite episode.

Wendy

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Zoomway wrote:
> In a message dated 98-07-27 20:49:54 EDT, you write:
> << In Battlefield Earth, the armed forces arrayed against the alien
>  invasion seemed pathetic to say the least.  Why not make Colonel Cash a
>  General?  Would they have had to pay the actor more?<g>  I wondered if
>  the writers had kept his rank at a certain level in order to make it
>  look like Cash was some sort of renegade who could be easily dispensed
>  with afterwards. However, I find that an unlikely proposition since it
>  is clear that he was getting his orders from somewhere and it appears
>  that the military did create a "silver bullet" which could defeat
>  Superman.  I can't believe the Colonel did *that* all on his own. >>
>
> If Cash had been a general, should he have been a one, two, three or four
star
> general? ;)  Seriously though, generals aren't often in command of
anything
> less than a regiment of men, or are put in charge of combined forces
units.<

You mean like Colin Powell or John Shalikashvili or whoever is the
current Chair of the JCS?  (We haven't had a war lately to remind me.)

Oh, I see.  So, the highest level officer who would be in charge of
military operations in the event of an alien invasion of Earth would be
a Colonel.  Aw, that sounds about right.

I guess the writers of BE were reading Stephen Ambrose's "Citizen
Soldiers," one of the points from which is that the strength of the
American military as the opposed to say the German military in WWII was
that all soldiers -- down to Private -- were trained to take command in
dire situations.  So, the Colonel was just taking the initiative, as
trained.<g>  Or, maybe the Pentagon was testing a new officer
development program:  "You too can be the senior officer on the ground
during an invasion of Earth!"  Seriously, I still find it very odd.

 As
> for obeying orders, Cash did obey orders, but only to a certain point.
When
> the attack is launched on the forcefield Cash is obeying orders and even
says
> so. You might have missed the part after the unsuccessful attack on the
> forcefield where Jimmy comes in and says the UN told the world military to
> stand down for 48 hours in hopes of negotiating with the Kryptonians
(after
> seeing there wasn't much realistically the military could do with
conventional
> weapons anyway ;) and to buy time for Kal-El to try and find a way to
liberate
> Smallville.  They didn't throw their hands in the air and surrender, but
they
> did put a 48 hour ban on military action and it was that ban that Cash
> disobeyed.<

>
> >>>>I found Cash's arrest (which is only
> referred to in the episode) to be not only
> totally mystifying, but downright silly.<<<
>
> What did I miss? Why was it "silly" that Cash was arrested for disobeying
a
> direct order and taking provocative while a ban on military action was
> ordered?  In the episode Cash starts to call the Pentagon saying his men
> should be allowed to act and is reminded about the 48 hour ban.<

No, I didn't miss that, although in BE it's Zara who says it. In any
case, the forces did stand down and then Jen-Mei comes back to
Metropolis and reports that the Earth is now being annexed to NK. (I'm
assuming that he also mentioned that Kal-El was arrested and was being
tried -- which he was.)  The Colonel attempts to call the Pentagon as
you say, and Perry stops him.  Now, where exactly does Perry stand in
the military chain of command?  (Hey, we're taking the Ambrose dictum a
bit too far here.)

In any case, we have no idea what the Pentagon told the Colonel to do at
that point under the changing circumstances.  None.

> Perry says it
> wouldn't do any good anyway because there are no weapons that would defeat
the
> Kryptonians, and so that is where the wheels start turning for Colonel
Cash
> and when he decides to take action in direct disobedience of orders.  I'm
sure
> Cash got leniency or even had the charges against him dropped since I
can't
> imagine anyone mourning the deaths of those three Kryptonians. In fact
most
> people were probably downright happy they croaked.  However, if the point
is
> why he got arrested to begin with, then he got arrested for disobeying
orders
> and taking matters into his own hands. I imagine in that case, it was the
> military who arrested him.<

Well, here's where things get murky.  The kryptonite was stolen from
Star Labs way before this. I could never buy the explanation that Col.
Cash ordered the kryptonite stolen and made into a weapon all by his
lonesome.  No.  However, *when* he used it was probably was at issue.
But even there, we don't know whether he was told to use his own
judgment based upon the outcome of events in Metropolis as it was being
destroyed -- which goes way beyond the original orders and plans
involving Smallville.  One can only think that Kal-El's little attempt
to save the planet might not be working ... and it wasn't.  What else
was the military to think?

> >>>I agree with both Debby's sentiments above and Genevieve's take in her
> fanfic, "After the Battle".  Cash -- and mankind -- had a duty to use
> whatever they could to defeat this invasion<<<
>
> Gosh darn, I agree, that's why I always thought Trask was on the right
> track<g> In his mind, Superman was the vanguard of the invading horde to
come.
> In a way he turned out to be right. If Trask had killed Superman, then
Ching
> and Zara wouldn't have found "Kal-El" and neither would Nor who traced
Kal-
> El's whereabouts through them<g>  Trask, the unsung, unwept hero of planet
> Earth, I salute you ;)<

I think it a little disingenuous to jump from the people and events in
GGGoH to the people and events in BE and call them the same.

> >>>Ha! I said this once and was promptly taken to task for my troubles.
> Hmph!  I guess it not only matters what is said, but who says it!<<<
>
> Aw<g>  Clark was cheap, but in a cute way. He had lived from a battered
> suitcase for a long time. He didn't put down roots anywhere once he left
> Smallville. He had to borrow money from his folks he was so broke when he
> arrived in Metropolis and so once he decided to stay put, the cost of
things
> likely got to him a bit. "950...*dollars*!" (no, Clark, 950 nickels ;)
Where I
> live that would be an outrageously high price for an apartment and no
doubt a
> lot more so for someone from Smallville.   Mabye "cheap" isn't the exact
word,
> but he was certainly "cost conscious" (that sound better ;)<

Oh! So, I should have qualified my remarks, long ago, with the
observation that Clark was being cheap in a *cute* way, hmmm?  Well,
after the IRC Tutorials are completed, we'll start a new round of
classes:  How to say potentially offensive things the Zoom way.  Ha!
Now *that's* cute.

> >>>By the way, I thought that whole Pearl Jam thing was unbelieveable as
> well. Couldn't quite picture either Lois or Clark wanting to attend such
> a concert -- unless maybe Tony Blake and/or Paul Jackson were fans.  If
> they had to attend any concert why not Bruce, or Tina, or the Stones --
> rock for the mature audience.)<<<
>
> In the original script of The Phoenix it is a Rolling Stones concert.
Jimmy
> even ends up with a cup that Mick Jagger stepped on as a souvenir.  I
think it
> got changed to reflect the flavor of the year band.  Personally I can't
> imagine Clark wanting to go to a rock concert even if it's the Stones, at
> least not as a first date with Lois unless he wanted the date to sound
like
> less pressure than a dinner date or impress her with getting the hot
ticket in
> town.  Either way, I much preferred their dinner date.<

Well, I think we can all agree on that point.  A dinner date is a far
better first date -- involving two people *who* really want to get to
know each other -- then a loud, crowded concert.  The choice seemed
totally inexplicable in light of the characters' motivations and the
situation.

Sandy -- (Power corrupts; absolute power is kind of neat.)
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The Zoomway wrote:
>
> As for obeying orders, Cash did obey orders, but only to a certain point.
When
> the attack is launched on the forcefield Cash is obeying orders and even
says
> so. You might have missed the part after the unsuccessful attack on the
> forcefield where Jimmy comes in and says the UN told the world military to
> stand down for 48 hours in hopes of negotiating with the Kryptonians
(after
> seeing there wasn't much realistically the military could do with
conventional
> weapons anyway ;) and to buy time for Kal-El to try and find a way to
liberate
> Smallville.  They didn't throw their hands in the air and surrender, but
they
> did put a 48 hour ban on military action and it was that ban that Cash
> disobeyed.

I'm not so sure about that.  The UN gave Kal-El 48 hours to try to find
out what the Kryptonians were up to, and I can understand Col. Cash
chafing at the bit about that given how his men had been vaporized in
Kansas.  And I'll admit that in BE they show Cash as a bit of a Trask
character, wanting to destroy all "Martians" (a generic term for someone
who doesn't know the meaning of a Big Mac), but ...

First of all, I'd guess that about 48 hours had passed since the UN
declared the truce. Clark and Lois went to Smallville, and spent some
amount of time doing yard work at the golf course.  After the work
detail was finished, they were penned up and Clark made the well so
people could get water.  Kal-El is then arrested, Zara makes the
decision to take the Mother Ship to Nor, the Tribunal in convened, and
Kal-El is condemned.  Ching immediately runs to the ship's library and
does legal research, managing an eleventh hour appeal for Kal-El.  Then
everyone goes back to Lois's apartment, where Kal-El is given "drei"
lessons (sort of reminiscent of the scene in Chi of Steel, wasn't it?)
and Zara learns the difference between fudge and popcorn.  The duel with
Nor wa scheduled for noon the next day.

So say the truce is declared at noon on Day 1.  The afternoon is spent
in the golf course, the evening in the internment camp.  The next
morning (Day 2)  Kal-El is arrested, tried and, given the opportunity to
meet Nor in combat.  Ching and Kal-El spend the rest of the day sparring
in Metropolis, and by noon on Day 3, the truce is over.

Secondly, the truce was declared so that Kal-El could find out what the
Kryptonians were up to.  I'd say by this point, the generals, colonels,
and UN should have figured it out.  Nor had congratulated the UN for
deciding not to him (Gee, thanks!), and then demanded that  Metropolis
surrender to him so that all the inhabitants of Metropolis could become
slaves.  When Metropolis refused, Nor gave the order to destroy the
city, and when we next saw Metropolis it had been turned into a War
Zone.  If anyone broke the truce, I'd say it was Nor, not Cash.

Thirdly, I doubt that Cash was acting alone.  (If he was, I demand a
high-level investigation into ineptitute and stupidity at the
Pentagon!)  If you look at his discussion with Lois he says *we*: "We're
covering out bets"; "If we take Nor down"; and "It was a tactical
decision," not "I made a tactical decision."  A mere field colonel isn't
going to know the codes to Star Lab's safe -- someone higher up (the
NIA?) had to have broken in to Star Labs, a Research and Development Lab
must have worked round the clock to make the gas, and Cash, perhaps
because he was on site, had to have been ordered to use it.  The entire
attack was way too organized for a "gung-ho" colonel to have done it
alone.

We'd known for a while that the government was looking for weapons they
could use against Superman -- the molecular disrupter thing that Lex
purchased in DJ is proof of that.  And, indeed, the military *ought* to
be looking for ways to defend against superpowered beings.  There is
proof that he's only human, that he can be hyptonized (IOG), deceived
(LL), or impersonated (Vatman).  On top of that, it's not just Superman
they have to defend against -- there are other super-powered people
running around (BoTB, Ultrawoman, COTOC).  The New Krypton fiasco was
foreseeable, and the Pentagon should have had some contingency plans.

In BE, everyone is worried that Nor stole the Kryptonite from Star Labs
becuase there were no signs of break in.  (I never really understood
that -- one thing Nor was very good at was breaking.)  But the military
had had the codes to Dr. Klein's vault from the beginning -- back from
when Superman was an unknown commodity.  It makes a lot of sense that
the military would make use of those 48 hours developing a
Kryptonite-based weapon. It also makes sense that they would use it to
kill Nor on the streets of Metropolis.  As Cash said once they took Nor
down, his followers would cave in.  It was obvious that the New
Kryptonians were deeply divided over Nor's actions.

It should be noted that the Kyrptonite Gas was not employed until it
appeared Superman had lost.  Kal-El had defeated Nor, true, but Nor's
henchmen showed up and attacked Superman.  It was at that point that the
gas was used, killing all the New-Kryptonians, and injuring Superman.

If anyone should have been arrested, it was Lois, for warning Nor about
the attack.  If more cities had been destroyed, or people killed, it
would have been *her* fault.  I'll bet Cash was arrested for letting her
out of the Daily Planet building to warn Nor, rather than using the
Kryptonite gas.

> Aw<g>  Clark was cheap, but in a cute way. <snip>  Mabye "cheap" isn't the
exact word,
> but he was certainly "cost conscious" (that sound better ;)

I've always preferred the term "thrify."  Being thrifty is a virtue;
being cheap a character fault.

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>> School:  Metropolis University
>
>Not true : Kansas State?

In the interests of staving off a war between Kansas State and
University of Kansas (yes, there is a _big_ rivalry between the two- ask
anyone in my office), I believe that Clark actually went to Midwest
University.

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>BTW--here's one of my own.  Tempus Fugitive:  If Clark's parents saw the
>uhm shooting star or meteor, and that's how they stumpled accross the
>spaceship, then how come the spaceship lands early?

The ship *always* landed early.

>How did they see a
>meteor then?  Wouldn't there have been none?

There never was a meteor; the Kents never saw Clark's spaceship landing.
This was a time loop, in which Superman's actions were necessary to close
the loop and let time continue normally.  The spaceship had always landed
early, and Superman was always the one who made it appear that there was a
meteor so Jonathan and Martha would investigate and find him.  Clark just
didn't know that because he hadn't reached the point in his life when he did
it.

Interesting.  Tempus was the catalyst who made it possible for the infant
Kal-El to be found and raised by the Kents.  If he had just sat tight in the
future and not tried to meddle by going back to destroy Clark as a baby, he
might have had his wish.  Clark would have lain out in the field and who
knows who would have found him and raised him.  Of course, HG Wells would
have eventually noticed the time discrepency from the incomplete loop and
taken Clark back to complete the actions which he had always done (making
the bright, meteor-like flash in the sky to attract the Kents' attention).
Unless the chaos trailing in the wake of the incomplete loop not only
prevented Utopia, but also all those clever scientists who invented such
handy-dandy gadgets for Wells to use....  Hmmm....

Actually, the only real question is the way the writers ended TF:  by having
Wells return Lois and Clark to where they were before they met him.
Presumably they wouldn't remember anything that happened because it didn't
really happen, but that negates the entire time loop scenario, which the
episode otherwise kept pretty consistent.  However, since Lois still had the
card on which she'd written "Superman is Clark Kent," we can safely assume
that the trip to the past did in fact occur, so time isn't going to start
unraveling on us.  (Oops, Freudian slip.  I meant to say, "unravelling on
*them*." <g>)  But that still begs the question:  so, if it really happened,
how come L&C didn't remember?

And, for those of you who read my S5 time-travel story, yes, this is exactly
the sort of internal argument I had as I worked out the plot.

Sheila
(who has read *way* too much science fiction dealing with time-travel.)
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> Actually, the only real question is the way the writers ended TF:  by
having
> Wells return Lois and Clark to where they were before they met him.
> Presumably they wouldn't remember anything that happened because it didn't
> really happen, but that negates the entire time loop scenario, which the
> episode otherwise kept pretty consistent.  However, since Lois still had
the
> card on which she'd written "Superman is Clark Kent," we can safely assume
> that the trip to the past did in fact occur, so time isn't going to start
> unraveling on us.  (Oops, Freudian slip.  I meant to say, "unravelling on
> *them*." <g>)  But that still begs the question:  so, if it really
happened,
> how come L&C didn't remember?

I keep wrestling with this, too.  I think the problem is that *both*
timelines actually happened, simultaneously!  They merged themselves into
one reality, so the writing did appear on the card; but the concept of two
simultaneous realities is beyond the grasp of a normal (or super!) mind, so
Clark's and Lois's brains resolved their own internal discrepancies by
concluding that the alternate timeline, i.e. them going back in the past,
could not have happened and therefore did not happen.  Are you with me so
far?  (I'm not... <g>)  But the memories were in their minds, even if their
minds refused to acknowledge them, so when Wells showed up in T,A? Lois was
able to recall the past adventure with only a little prompting.

> Sheila
> (who has read *way* too much science fiction dealing with time-travel.)

Me, too, can you tell?  I think the only time-travel I've ever seen that was
absolutely consistent was _Twelve_Monkeys_, and even that I had to wrestle
with for a long time before I was convinced.  Usually I find some (or many)
flaw(s) and end up having to conclude that it really doesn't matter, anyway;
whatever it is I'm reading/watching was never meant to be so analyzed!  The
question becomes, can I overlook the flaws enough to enjoy it?  And, almost
invariably, the answer is "yes" -- but I still spend hours trying to
rationalize the errors away despite that.  8-)

-Emily
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At 09:33 AM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Interesting.  Tempus was the catalyst who made it possible for the infant
>Kal-El to be found and raised by the Kents.
>
Not quite. Who is ultimately responsible for Utopia?
And Lois and Clark's mythic bond? Not that they would've be
unattracted to each other without him. It just wouldn't have been
as great a love as it was. (Lois held Clark as an infant, helped
by HG wells. Clark fell in love 2 minutes after he met Lois.)
Hebert George Wells, who probably invented a time machine,
heard about some circus strongman in the future (our present),
found out that the guy was still alive in the distant future,
was innately good, a superman from Krypton etc, etc. thought
hmm if only a good childless god-fearing couple could raise him.
So he took the guy into the past to initiate the loop.

Tempus was a bad seed. HG Wells pretended to not really notice
the first time, but he knew he needed him to keep the loop going
and so picked him up and took him into the past (our present)
where oops he ran out of fuel!

This is why TF is the ep that made me into a FoLC. Before, I
just watched to see Teri Hatcher, who was the only good thing
about the show just like she was in MacGyver.

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Hello FoLCs:

1. I just wanted to get back to the List  with appreciation for all the
wondeful responses to my Episode Thoughts.  I learned that I should be
careful what I write at 2 am, for one thing, because one or two sentences I
wrote have been taken slightly differently from how I meant them!  However,
mostly, the answers to my questions have been terrific.  I may have been
slightly more nitpicky than usual about L&C but the range of response was
very rewarding so far, and please keep them coming.  In some cases, I was
not confused, just mentioning things I had noticed.  Quite a few people
turned out to agree with certain aspects I included.  Special thanks to
Zoom, of course, (who knows about scenes the rest of us don't!?!)  and also
for the Hug list, etc.  It was great to know that many people shared my
reactions or had the same confusions, or knew something I didn't (like the
fact that February and May are both significant months for Clark, but that
Clark's sign probably isn't) and now I am more informed.  I have tons more
stuff I could write on related subjects so I am very encouraged.  <bg>

2.  Clark Kent's resume:  I mentioned to Margaret Brignell recently that I
thought Clark attended Midwest U., as per the football he picks up in his
own apartment during "All Shook Up".

3.  Still wondering if anyone can send me a tape of Muscle Beach with Dean
in it?
Or any other stuff?

Thanks,
Carolyn
cschnall@mail.med.cornell.edu
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< Interesting.  Tempus was the catalyst who made it possible for the infant
Kal-El to be found and raised by the Kents. >

<< Not quite. [snip] Hebert George Wells, who probably invented a time
machine,
heard about some circus strongman in the future (our present), found out
that
the guy was still alive in the distant future, was innately good, a superman
from Krypton etc, etc. thought hmm if only a good childless god-fearing
couple
could raise him. So he took the guy into the past to initiate the loop. >>

I'm not sure I understand what's being said here. First, wouldn't Wells have
had to go into the future to hear about the "circus strongman" of our
present?
He couldn't very well hear of Superman before he existed, unless some other
time travelers were around.

I understand, though, that you're saying that Wells heard of Superman, but
then
what? It seems like you're suggesting that Wells herd of Superman, then
wondered what if he had been raised by "a good childless god-fearing [?]
couple," and what? Decided to play God with Superman's upbringing? So who do
you propose raised Superman the first time, before Wells intervened?

>From the HG Wells we've been introduced to on the show, this doesn't seem
to be
in character. Sure, he did change the course of history, but it doesn't seem
that he did it as an oh,-what-the-heck kind of experiment like you're
suggesting. He changed the past to right a wrong he'd created. Yes, he did
bring Tempus to the past, and that was pretty lame-brained, but I don't
think
he intended that action to change history. When it did, he was forced to
clean up his mess, and that brought him to Lois and Clark. (In fact we would
never have met Wells if he hadn't brought Tempus to the past because
righting
TEmpus's wrongs was always the reason Wells showed up.)

Finally (and I know this is picking on a small point of your post, but...)
why
I understand that you're giving Wells credit for Lois and clark's mythic
bond,
and for Utopia, but what I don't understand is why Wells would have decided
to
chose Martha and Jonathan Kent (of all the "good childless god-fearing"
(that
brings up another point: why god-fearing?) couples in the world to raise
this
"circus strongman" from the future?

-Christy
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Carolyn Schnall wrote on  Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:37:56 -0500

> 2.  Clark Kent's resume:  I mentioned to Margaret Brignell recently that
> I thought Clark attended Midwest U., as per the football he picks up in
> his own apartment during "All Shook Up".

According to the canon of the show, Clark did attend Midwest U.  You can
see the name on some of his stuff in The Foundling.  However, the resume
sample I pulled from the internet had Metropolis University on it.  I doubt
the company that created the sample resume looked to L&C to obtain the
information.  ;)

> 3.  Still wondering if anyone can send me a tape of Muscle Beach with
> Dean in it? Or any other stuff?

Well, I've got a copy of Dean cohosting the Television Arts and Sciences
look at Science Fiction on TV over the years.  He narrates two small
sections during the entire thing.  I haven't watched it in a while, but I
think Bill Shatner and Carrie Fisher also have sections.  We don't see
much of Dean, just hear his voice.  I think this was done during hiatus
beween first and second season, but I can't remember.  Anyway, he wears a
Clark Kent suit and tie, but I can't for the life of me remember which
one it was.  If you want a copy, I could mail you one.

Lisa M. Ramirez
ramirez@estuary.amrl.odu.edu

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Yes. Lisa, I'd love to get that tape.  Do you have his "Off Camera" show by
any chance?  He was on several sitcoms and also Amercian Gladiators but he
wasn't famous then, so I keep hoping these appearances will be in
somebody's tape library.  Anyway, I've got to ask!  Thank you, and let me
know (privately?) what the next step is.

Carolyn

>Carolyn Schnall wrote on  Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:37:56 -0500
>
>> 2.  Clark Kent's resume:  I mentioned to Margaret Brignell recently that
>> I thought Clark attended Midwest U., as per the football he picks up in
>> his own apartment during "All Shook Up".
>
>According to the canon of the show, Clark did attend Midwest U.  You can
>see the name on some of his stuff in The Foundling.  However, the resume
>sample I pulled from the internet had Metropolis University on it.  I doubt
>the company that created the sample resume looked to L&C to obtain the
>information.  ;)
>
>> 3.  Still wondering if anyone can send me a tape of Muscle Beach with
>> Dean in it? Or any other stuff?
>
>Well, I've got a copy of Dean cohosting the Television Arts and Sciences
>look at Science Fiction on TV over the years.  He narrates two small
>sections during the entire thing.  I haven't watched it in a while, but I
>think Bill Shatner and Carrie Fisher also have sections.  We don't see
>much of Dean, just hear his voice.  I think this was done during hiatus
>beween first and second season, but I can't remember.  Anyway, he wears a
>Clark Kent suit and tie, but I can't for the life of me remember which
>one it was.  If you want a copy, I could mail you one.
>
>Lisa M. Ramirez
>ramirez@estuary.amrl.odu.edu
>
>The problem in government isn't so much nonessential
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This is the 2nd story (or the 1st .. depending on which way round you
look at it).

I hope I'm not out of line by posting a couple of my fan fictions on the
list .... I really don't want to over-step the mark by doing something
that I'm not but at the moment I'm trying to write a new story but I've
sorta lost my confidence in writing ... I was just hoping that I could
post the two fan fictions that I've written and get some opinion on it
...

Sorry again if this is not really allowed but I need 'expert' opinions
on these stories .. you know ... if my style is ok, and most importantly
my punctuation and grammar .. there was no outside help on these
whatsoever so there are bound to be errors in it ... I'd appreciate
feedback .. I wouldn't post it on the list if I didn't need the feedback
.. thanks everyone :-)

Angee.

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Author's note: I have another story on Rhen's page -
"Communication" - but "Touch And Go" is in reality the first
story that I ever wrote and I would like to dedicate it to
the memory of Lois and Clark, Teri Hatcher, Dean Cain and the
rest of the cast. More so to Teri (who I hope to meet one day
or at least write to) to congratulate her on the up and
coming birth of her first child. Good luck Teri and I think
you're the greatest! I'm your biggest fan!! :-)
        This story is an alternative to "And the Answer Is ..."
and whether Lois is really destined to figure out that Clark
is Superman. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Usual
disclaimers apply.

TOUCH AND GO
By Angee Chaudhry (angee.chaudhry@fastc.demon.co.uk)

        Lois walked as best she could down the sidewalk as she
couldn't see anything over the grocery bags that she was
carrying, her apartment was in her sights but she wasn't sure
she could make it to the door with two grocery bags filled to
the brim. She only went to the store to get two things but
somehow her list increased to two bags!
        Lois reached for the keys that were somewhere at the
bottom of her handbag but she couldn't find them and now they
were making her angry. She tried again to find any sign that
those rattling culprits were there but to no avail. Oblivious
to anyone around her and the possibility of tripping, Lois
bumped into a young girl and dropped her groceries all over
the sidewalk.
        "Hey, watch it!" screamed Lois as she knelt down to
pick up her shopping.
        "Oh, I'm so sorry," replied the girl. Lois looked up at
the voice ready to give the all famous "Lois temper" when she
noticed that the girl had dirty nails, dirty clothes and
scruffy hair. 'She's homeless,' thought Lois.
        "Oh, no, that's o.k. Don't worry, nothing's broken."
The girl joined Lois on the ground, chasing after the runaway
food, giving Lois an opportunity to take a closer look at the
homeless girl's face so that she could determine what sort of
character she had. She then decided against it because all
she could think of was the disaster with Lex, thinking that
she thought she knew his character. How wrong she was. 'No I
won't try and judge her,' Lois decided, she could do better
than that, she could give her somewhere to stay for the
night. But before she could do anything the girl stood up.
        "Well, I think that I had better be going. I'm sorry
again about your groceries." It was now or never.
        "No, wait. Um ... I couldn't help but notice that
you're ... ah ... " Oh god, how was she going to say this
without being offensive or nosy. Lois almost regretted saying
anything to the girl when she replied.
        "Homeless?" Lois looked up in compassion but the girl's
guard instantly went up, and her calm look turned to one of
anger. "Look, I don't want any sympathy, o.k! I know what's
coming next and it's all right. I don't need money or
anything like that, I'm not a charity case. Don't feel bad! I
didn't bump into you so that I could get you to see how poor
and helpless I am because I'm not all right so ... "
        "Hey, calm down, o.k.?" Lois had to interrupt, the girl
seemed to have gone into overdrive. "Did I say anything like
that?" When the girl realised that Lois hadn't actually said
*anything* she calmed down again.
        "Look lady, I know you feel sorry for me but there
really is no need, I don't need or want any charity." Lois
quickly thought of an alternate plan.
        "I know, and I appreciate that, really, I do. But I
just thought that you could pay me back." A puzzled look came
across the girl's face.
        "Pay you back? For what?"
        "Dropping my groceries." Despite herself, the girl
smiled, although she still eyed Lois with suspicion. 'Still'
she thought, 'give this lady a chance, if I don't accept her
offer she might turn me over to the police'.
        "Sure. Just to pay you back though."
        "I wouldn't have it any other way." 'Another save by
Lois Lane'. Lois felt proud of herself, she only hoped that
the girl wasn't some sort of mass murderer. Lois thought
about it a bit more, even with a face like an angel she could
be a psycho. Look at Lex. But Lois and the girl put their
fears to the back of their minds as they walked toward Lois'
apartment.

***

        "Well, make yourself comfortable while I put these
groceries away."
        The girl's face looked around in awe. It was the
apartment of her dreams, something that she always dreamt she
could have but now she knew she never would.
        "Are you sure you don't want any help?"
        "Positive!" yelled Lois from the kitchen, "You just
make yourself comfortable. Do you want a drink?" But the girl
was elsewhere; she was trying to figure out how to sit down
on Lois' beautiful white, antique sofa without getting it
dirty. Lois noticed and quickly interjected, "Ah ... do you
maybe want to get cleaned up a little?" The girl smiled, Lois
could tell that she could trust the girl. She only hoped that
the girl would trust her.
        "You read my mind." But Lois just smiled, she didn't
have to read her mind she could see it in her actions. "Are
you sure it's all right?"
        "Of course. I'll get you a towel so you can have a
shower. I'll lend you some clean clothes." But just as the
girl was about to protest Lois quickly added, "and no, it's
not charity. I'll give you the clothes that I was planning on
throwing out." Lois turned away but stopped in her tracks.
"Oh, but you can only use my shower on one condition." The
girl began to panic, 'what does she want? I knew this was too
good to be true, she's going to turn me in to the cops'.
        "Wha ... What?"
        "I have to know your name." The girl grinned, relieved.
        "Kim Ellis."
        "Hi Kim, my name's Lois. Lois Lane."

***

        Lois and Kim sat on the sofa surrounded by Pizza boxes.
Lois never would have thought that she and Kim would have
anything in common but they did. They had been giggling and
exchanging funny stories, mainly about men but to be more
specific, mainly about Lois' men.
        The question of why Kim was homeless finally came into
Lois' mind again, and she began to ponder about whether she
should ask or not.
        "Can I ask you a question, Kim?"
        "Sure," replied Kim a little warily.
        "Why are you living in a homeless shelter?" Kim tried
her best to keep a straight face but Lois could see that
there was a painful situation behind it. Lois' heart hurt,
maybe it was wrong to ask' but Kim began before Lois could
say anything.
        "My family were killed in a bomb explosion at my house
two years ago. The police said that it was an accident, a gas
leak."
        "You don't think that it was an accident?"
        "No."
        "Who might've wanted to kill them?" But Kim wouldn't
say anymore. 'What is she trying to protect' contemplated
Lois. "Look Kim, I can help you. I have sources on the
street, friends at the Planet who would be only too glad to
help, I mean ... "
        "No! Look I can't say too much or they'll be after you.
It's too dangerous, for you and ... for me."
        "They're after you too?" Lois became alarmed. Kim
needed to tell the police.
        "I've said too much already, I've got to go. Thank you
for everything." Kim rose quickly and darted for the door,
but Lois was quicker.
        "No! You're not leaving, you're only 18. You're too
young to be running from something that is obviously way too
big." They sat down but Lois kept hold of Kim's arm in case
she decided to bolt for the door again. "Kim, trust me." Kim
took a deep breath before she began.
        "We lived on the outskirts of Metropolis and were in
need of money so daddy borrowed money from a businessman
called Pedro Elisand. We didn't really know him very well but
the bank had refused my father a loan so he was the last
resort. Daddy was desperate. You see the company that daddy
worked for laid him off in the middle of something that he
was working on."
        "What was that?"
        "I don't know, none of us did except that it was top
secret."
        "Who did he work for?"
        "Lex Luthor." Lois sat back in disbelief. Even though
Lex was behind bars, his hold on Metropolis was harder to get
rid of.
        "O.k., what else?"
        "That's all I know except that Pedro killed my family
and now he wants to kill me." As scared as Kim was, as much
as she wanted to crawl into a hole until Pedro could no
longer find her, she was tired and yawned uncontrollably. All
Lois could think of was looking after this young girl who
needed a break in life more than anyone she had ever known.
Lois felt like she was looking at her own life in its worst
form.
        What Lois had never told anyone was why she was unhappy
at home, especially after her parents' divorce. She felt that
it was all her fault, that she could have done something
about it. It was such a cliche but it was true. She ran away
one night when she was 13, she roamed the streets until it
was dark, she wandered the back roads and woodlands until she
found herself at her front door again, as if it were
automatic. Her situation was nowhere near as dire or as
serious as Kim's but to Lois, it was a turning point in her
life, it meant more than anyone could ever imagine. It was
the day that Lois decided that running away wasn't the
answer, that you had to fight. If only I could show Kim that'
thought Lois, but she wouldn't give up. Come tomorrow, Lois
resolved, after a good night's sleep, I'll show Kim that
there's hope.

***

        It was a warehouse in the middle of nowhere and there
were crates everywhere, crate upon crate. There didn't seem
to be any sign of life except for a faint voice coming from
the corner.
        "Yes, boss, we have found the girl." Pedro Elisand
paused as he listened to the voice on the other end of the
telephone screaming down the receiver. "No boss, nothing will
go wrong. This time the girl will be eliminated. Yes boss ...
no boss ... of course boss ... anything you say boss ...
excuse me boss? You're absolutely right boss, yes boss,
incompetent boss? Undoubtedly we are boss. We'll get right on
it. By tomorrow Kim Ellis will be dead. Sorry boss? No boss,
there will be no loose ends. O.k. fine, yes. Goodbye boss."
'Ay caramba can that man talk!' thought Pedro. But that was
the least of his worries, now was the time to find that girl'
and finally get rid of her. It'll be a pleasure after all
these years.
        Pedro, a stout man with a balding patch, sat down and
turned to his brother, Rene, the exact opposite to his
brother in appearance sitting at the monitoring table amid
all his computer gadgets.
        "Is she still at Lois Lane's apartment?"
        "Si Pedro. Is tonight the night?"
        "No tomorrow. But it will be a bonus to get that Lane
woman."
        "Why is that Pedro?" Pedro looked up to the sky in
despair, his brother was not the brightest of all people in
the world. He would be forgiven if this was the first time
that Pedro had said this to him but it wasn't, Pedro had
mentioned this to Rene about a thousand times before.
        "God you knucklehead, how many times before you
understand. Lane is the woman that the boss loves. She was
going to marry him, remember?" It was the perfect time to get
his revenge on the boss - a.k.a. Lex Luthor - who had
continually put him down and now he was sick of it. This
would teach Lex a lesson. Pedro hadn't told Lex where he'd
found Kim and he wouldn't. He grinned as he thought of the
possibility of revenge and he looked to Rene so that they
could gloat together but Rene frowned, he was a bit slow in
understanding things, and his brother made no attempt to
enlighten him as he knew that Rene would eventually figure it
out. Lo and behold, Rene grinned in realisation. "Ah,"
continued Pedro, "somebody *did* switch you on this morning
then!"

***

        Kim stumbled into the kitchen, half asleep, to find
Lois already dressed cooking in the kitchen. Lois smiled at
her.
        "Hi. How'd you sleep?"
        "Very well, actually almost too well." They both smiled
and felt comfortable with each other.
        "Well good, because as it's Saturday today, I thought
that we could go to the Metropolis Fair later, it's nearly
11:30 so we can go about lunch time, how does that sound?"
Kim didn't answer straight away, she was worried that she
could be easily spotted by Pedro, "you're worried about Pedro
aren't you?" Kim smiled.
        "How'd you guess?" Lois could only shake her head.
        "Kim, you've gotta stop asking stupid questions."
        "Yeah I guess that was pretty stupid."
        "Come on, let's eat some late breakfast." Lois and Kim
sat at the table to start eating the scrambled eggs that Lois
had prepared but Kim gazed at it a little dubiously, it
looked burnt. Lois looked at Kim apologetically, she had
never been a good cook, "well, it's not the greatest
breakfast in the world, it's breakfast a la Lois."
        "You know what Lois, I don't think that I could go to
this fair, what if Pedro finds me." Lois feared that Kim
would back out, it was too good to be true.
        "Look Kim, I'll get Superman to be there. I'm a close
personal friend of his. I can get hold of him and ask him to
keep an eye out for us." Lois knew that she didn't have to
call Superman, or get Clark to get hold of Superman as that's
what usually happened, because he always looked out for her.
All Lois had to do what scream Superman!' and he'd come
running.
        "What! You and Superman? Are you two going together?"
Lois spat out her food. What an absurd thing for Kim to say,
"No, I'm way out of Superman's league. I used to have a crush
on him but I realised that he was a fantasy, that's when I
fell for Clark."
        "Clark? Is that the guy you told about my situation?"
        "Yeah he's my partner but don't worry, he's the only
one I told, he's completely trustworthy, not to mention that
I love him. He's the man of my dreams, although it took me a
while to figure it out. He's patient, kind, loving and the
only person I could ever stand to work with, and he's so
honest."

***

        "I can't keep lying to Lois!" Clark sat down on his
sofa, perplexed. He had been on the phone to his mother for
the past half an hour constantly repeating those words. "But
I don't know how to tell her. Every time I try, it never
comes out, there is always someone that interrupts."
        "Well what about now honey?" Clark looked down in
dismay. See this was exactly what he was talking about. Every
time things went quiet on the work front, something else
happened.
        "Now she's got this homeless person staying with her."
An alarm was set off in Martha.
        "A homeless person! Staying with Lois? Are you sure
that's safe?" But this time Martha's fear was unfounded and
Clark could reassure her.
        "Sure mom, completely. I met her at the Metropolis Fair
today. She's very nice but she's in a bit of trouble so Lois
and I are going to help her out."
        "Oh ... ", Clark knew what his mother's oh' meant, it
meant taking a rain check on telling Lois that he was
Superman and it seemed like such a perfect time. But he
should have guessed that there is no perfect time with Lois,
ever. Then Clark heard a cry for help. 'Oh good, an oil
spill,' he sighed but a bit worried that he regarded it as
good which wasn't the case, 'but it's something to keep my
mind off Lois', although he couldn't do that for long as he
was supposed to meet Lois later at her apartment to talk to
Kim about Pedro. The telling-Lois-I'm-Superman plan was to be
postponed, yet again.
        "Uh ... mom, I've just heard a cry for help. I'll talk
to you later."
        "O.k. take care. Bye."
        "Bye." In a split second Clark hung up and was out the
window.

***

        For the first time in a long time Clark walked to Lois'
apartment. He needed time to think about how he was going to
tell her that he was Superman. He remembered what his mother
said on the phone to him earlier. 'You better tell her before
it's too late.' He wasn't sure what she meant by 'too late'
but Clark was sure that it would come quite soon. He needed
to find the right opportunity. Yet there was a small part of
him that always put it to the back of his mind, things were
so great between him and Lois right now, he didn't want to
rock the boat. He wanted to savour every good moment they had
together. He loved her with all his heart. Then he heard his
mother's voice again saying, 'if you love someone you have to
deal with the good *and* the bad'. She was right. But he also
knew that now *wasn't* a good time with Kim there.

***

        Lois and Kim sat down on the sofa and let out a sigh of
exhaustion at the same time. They were pooped. Having fun
sure was tough as far as they were concerned. Kim started to
wave a chiffon scarf around, feeling its softness and the
beautiful colours that it had in it.
        "I love this scarf Lois, thank you. It's beautiful."
        "Oh that's my pleasure. It suits you." They gave each
other a satisfied grin, yes, they'd had fun.
        "You know," began Lois, "I think we're bonding." Kim
gave out a hearty laugh. "What? You found that funny?" But
Lois had to admit, that was a funny thing to come out with.
"Actually come to think of it, that sounded so much better in
my head!" But Kim quickly gave Lois a hug.
        "Oh no no no no! It meant the world to me. In fact I
was thinking the same thing, only *I* said it in my head." At
that they were both rolling on the floor in uncontrollable
laughter.
        "Oh ooo," howled Kim, "I need a pee." Lois stared at
her with a huge grin.
        "Thanks Kim, I really wanted to know that!" And Kim was
off on a sprint to the bathroom. Lois got up to put things
away when there was a knock at the door. "Who is it?"
        "Pizza delivery," came the voice from the other side of
the door.
        'Pizza? Who ordered a pizza?' "Kim! Did you order a
pizza?" To which there was a very loud 'no' coming from the
bathroom. Lois opened the door to a stout-looking man in a
red baseball cap and a 'Delicious Pizza' T-Shirt on. It was
Pedro. "Hi, um ... I think you made a mistake with your
delivery, you see, no-one ordered a Pizza."
        "This is Campbell Street isn't it?"
        "No it's not. That's two blocks down. Have a nice day."
As Lois went to close the door, Pedro put his foot in the
apartment. "Excuse me but 'have a nice day' meant goodbye."
Pedro contained his anger as best he could.
        "Ah ... yes but could I use your phone to check that I
have to deliver to Campbell Street?" 'This one looks shifty'
she thought, 'but then, my character analysing from just the
face has been way off so why should I be any different this
time?'
        "Sure, come on in. Phone's right over there." Pedro
made his way to the phone and went to pick it up, he
pretended to dial and speak into the phone. Lois decided that
he could be trusted and turned her back for a split second
when a hand came behind her and was clasped tightly over her
mouth.
        "Hello Miss Lane, didn't anyone teach you not to open
the door to strangers?" With his hand still over Lois' mouth
he turned her to face him. 'Man, he is really short', Lois
thought, 'god Lois get a grip, you're in trouble and you're
thinking about his *height*?' But when he introduced himself,
a new alarm was set off in her. 'Oh my god, Kim. Please stay
on the toilet.' Never in her whole life did such a stupid
sentence sound so serious.

***

        Clark began to slow down even more. For some reason he
was dreading to go to Lois', not because he didn't want to
see her but he was thinking more and more about telling her
that he was Superman. What would her reaction to it be? Would
she tell him to get out of her life? Maybe he should tell her
that he's got to leave, he was a risk to her, even if she
didn't know it. But deep down he wanted to be close to her at
all times. What if she was in trouble and he couldn't be
there for her ...

***

        "Now if you shout Superman or anything in the 'help,
help' genre then you'll get it," Pedro said as he raised a
baseball bat high above Lois as threateningly as he could
without looking stupid. "I'm going to take my hand away, so
you shut up!" Lois did as he said. "Now where is the girl?
Where's Miss Ellis?"
        "I don't know what you're talking about?"
        "Don't lie, Miss Lane, I know she's here. I heard you
two talking." Lois had to bide some time. For what, she
didn't know but she had to bide some nevertheless.
        "How do you know who I am?" Pedro knew what Lois was
trying to do, and he wasn't buying it, but he'd humour her.
        "Well let's just say, old flames die hard." Pedro
glared at Lois, he thought of all those times that Lex had
scolded him and he became immersed in all the feelings of
hate and rage, "This is to pay the boss back for all the
times he put me down." Pedro knew that Lois would figure out
who he was talking about but he wouldn't give her time to
think. Her time was running out. Lois froze, this time his
size didn't detract from his scariness, he suddenly sounded
like an escaped mental patient. "If you're going to keep
testing me Miss Lane, then I *will* club you. Do you want me
to club you? Do you? Cause I can do that Miss Lane. I could."
Then there was a voice from the kitchen.
        "Pedro!" It was Kim and she was charging straight for
him. Lois screamed for her to stop but Kim couldn't see
anything but Pedro and then it was too late. As little as
Pedro was, he was still very strong and he threw Kim easily
and she landed with a thud by the fireplace, unconscious.
        "Kim!" Lois tried to run to her but Pedro pulled her
back and threw her to the ground.
        "Now it's your turn Miss Lane." Lois wanted to scream
out to Superman, but Pedro's threat had made her lose her
voice, screaming was useless. She was locked in fear, all her
muscles were jammed.
        "Please," she whispered. "Please, leave us alone."
        "Oh no Miss Lane. No witnesses." Pedro lifted the club
and all Lois could do was look in horror as he lowered it ...
then ... blackness.

***

        Clark looked down at his feet, dragging them along the
sidewalk as he approached the corner to Lois' apartment. He
turned it just as Pedro left Lois' brownstone and walked up
the stairs. He knocked on the door, but there was no answer.
'This is strange', thought Clark, 'she knows I'm coming'.
        "Lois?" Still no answer. He pushed the door, but it was
shut tight. Clark had a gut feeling, this wasn't right,
something was wrong. He x-rayed the door and saw Kim and
Lois, lying on the floor unconscious. Clark pushed the door
like it was a feather and went straight to Lois. He couldn't
tell if either of them were breathing, for him that was
impossible, they were really badly injured. There was no time
to lose he needed to get them both to the hospital. As quick
as a flash Clark, Kim and Lois were gone. He just hoped he
wasn't too late.

***

        It had been a week since the attack and Lois was in a
coma. There was too much pressure on the brain that the
doctors could do nothing about. All they could do was wait.
He felt helpless. He was Superman and he could do nothing for
the woman that he loved more than life itself. Suddenly his
mother's words, 'you better tell her before it's too late'
took on a whole new meaning.
        "Please," Clark whimpered through his tears. He looked
up to the sky. "Please don't let it be too late." And he lay
his head down by hers so that he could hear her breathing. It
was a comfort to know that with each breath there was a
glimmer of hope that she would come back to him. He couldn't
stand not hearing her voice, not being able to talk to her,
not listening to her go off on some weird tangent.
        "Lois," he whispered, "it's me, Clark. I know you can
hear me, so why don't you just answer back o.k.? You can do
it Lois, I have faith in you." Clark shook his head, 'no, I
have to keep going, keep talking to her Clark.' "I love you
Lois and ... I'm so ashamed that I wasn't there when you
needed me the most. God, I keep going it over and over in my
head. That I should've been there to save you. Bet you're
thinking why *I'm* saying that huh? Well there's a reason why
I should've saved you Lois because ... I'm ... ah ... I'm ...
oh god, this is so hard. Even though you can't answer me,
this is so hard." Clark stood up, pacing around the room.
'Why can't I tell her. She's in a coma, she can't hear me yet
still I can't tell her.' There was a wrenching in his heart.
'She can't hear me' he thought again. 'No the reason why I'm
finding it so hard to tell her is because I know that she
*is* coming back to me, she *is*.' He took his seat by her
side again, and used what felt like all his superpowers to
say it, "Lois, I'm Superman. There I said it. I love you with
all my heart Lois, I want to marry you and when you wake up
I'll make everything all right. Lois please, I can't function
without you. You are my air. Without you I die." But Clark
had run out of words, all he could do was cry. For the first
time in a long time, all he could do was cry.

***

        Clark had finally fallen asleep, he was all cried out.
He hadn't the strength to cope with the thought of losing
Lois and the emotions that he was feeling were all so new to
him that he had run out of steam. Clark was in a surreal
place where he couldn't open his eyes, yet he was completely
aware of what was around him and of Lois, *his* Lois lying
there, and he couldn't help her. He thought that he felt a
brush against his skin but it was probably a fly or a piece
of his hair tickling his forehead, but he decided to open his
eyes anyway, just to look at her beautiful face. As Clark
opened his eyes, he looked in shock to see two deep, gorgeous
brown eyes looking straight back at him.
        "Lois!" he yelled, and kissed her face all over.
        "Clark," Lois mouthed. To the human ear nothing could
be heard but Clark heard a faint whisper.
        "Yeah, it's me Lois." Lois licked her lips, they were
dry.
        "Where's Kim? Is she all right?" Clark debated whether
to tell her or whether to wait until she was better. But
Lois, he was sure, would go crazy if she didn't find out.
        "Lois. I'm sorry, Kim didn't make it. She died in the
operating room." The pain in Lois' chest increased and all
she could do was let tears out, she hadn't the strength to
sob. She reached out for Clark to hold her and he did, with
all that was inside him.

***

        Another week had passed before Lois was discharged from
the hospital, but the doctor stressed that there was to be no
working for at least 3 weeks. Lois agreed but Clark knew her
better. He had already promised her that he would help her
find Pedro. He had to, if he didn't Lois would go off and do
it herself and after failing to be there for her the last
time, he couldn't bear it if he wasn't there this time.
        Clark opened Lois' apartment door and helped her
inside.
        "All my limbs work fine Clark, I can walk myself in."
        "Yeah but what if you fall? Do you want something to
drink? Or maybe you wanna lie down, do you want a pillow? Do
you want to sit on the couch or lie in bed?" She was barely
in and already Lois was ready to throttle him. She was
physically back to normal, only Clark was being protective,
more than usual. Lois was beginning to wonder why.
        "Clark, I'm fine, really."
        Lois was already starting to roam around her apartment,
picking things up and re-arranging objects that seemed to be
displaced. Then she stopped in her tracks and Clark heard
Lois sob. He ran to her as fast as he could without being
suspiciously fast.
        "Lois are you o.k?" But all Lois could do was hold up
Kim's scarf, the one that she had bought for her from the
fair. Clark held her tight as she held him close. "Lois I
think you should lie down ... "
        "No! I'd just really like to get to work." One thing
Clark had to love about Lois, she didn't waste any time.
Through all her pain, work was her shield, her way of coping
with all the pain.
        "O.k." Clark said, reluctantly, "here's all the
information that you asked for. Jimmy'll bring some more if
we need it."
        "Right," Lois resolved, "let's get on with it. I wanna
kick that midget in the butt."
        Hours later, it seemed as though they had finally put
the pieces together. Lois looked up.
        "O.k Clark, what've you got?"
        "You first." This time Lois was not going to argue, she
wanted to get this case solved quickly.
        "O.k. The information on Pedro Elisand is pretty
extensive. He was an illegal immigrant from Argentina and Lex
found out, forcing him and his brother Rene to work in his
Research Lab with another scientist there, Daniel Ellis,
Kim's father on projects concerning unexplained phenomena."
Lois grinned, "sounds like something out of the X-Files
doesn't it?"
        "Yeah but the aliens in that are so far fetched and odd
looking," Clark retorted. 'Humans were always looking for
aliens that were so far out. You have to admire their
persistence though.'
        "Yeah I guess so ... " Lois started to think of
Superman, there was *nothing* odd about him. She looked at
Clark, he was so handsome, she couldn't believe that she
would have picked Superman over him. Then a frown came over
her face, but she couldn't take her thoughts any further as
Clark interrupted them, this 'unexplained phenomenon' element
worried him. It led him to think that it had something to do
with Superman. When Superman was linked with Lex in any way,
it usually meant trouble, mostly for Superman.
        "So what exactly did they *do* in this division?" Clark
prepared himself for the worst when Lois' eyes looked down.
        "They were working on the most effective way of killing
Superman with the Kryptonite they had left in Lex Corps
vault. But get this, Daniel stumbled onto a vaccine that
would *reverse* the effects of Kryptonite. Unfortunately,
Pedro found out and must have reported it to Lex, therefore
getting Daniel fired. Daniel didn't know that Pedro was the
squealer, and asked him for money. Pedro spied on Daniel for
Lex so that when he had definitely found the cure for
Superman, he was killed, along with the family. Lex couldn't
leave anyone behind who were witnesses. Kim got away, she was
at a friend's house when the gas leak Pedro had created
caused the house to explode."
        Lois suddenly realised that just like Kim was the loose
end, now she was too. Pedro was probably trying to find the
opportunity to kill her. She looked at Clark in alarm but he
was busy giving her the final piece of news.
        "Well get this, I traced back all of Pedro's illegal
activities, there were a lot of 'em, and traced him to a
warehouse in the old Metropolis Business Park, you know the
one that went *out* of business? The warehouse is called
Sally's Soup Kitchen'. Unfortunately there isn't a direct
link to Lex, but it'd make my day if ... " Clark looked up
from the piece of paper in front of him so that they could
finally revel at the fact that they could put these guys
away, but Lois looked pale. "Lois, are you all right? You
look like you're about to faint."
        "Well ... ahh ... I, um ... am a bit sca ... would you
... ah ... " Clark could tell what was coming. She was
worried about being alone, Pedro was probably waiting to kill
her. He felt happy and sad at the same time. Sad because if
he had been there for her the first time, none of this would
have ever happened but happy because it was *him* that she
was asking to protect her, not Superman. 'Maybe she'll be all
right if I tell her,' he thought.
        "Do you want me to stay tonight? Just to be on the safe
side." Lois sighed with relief and moved over to Clark,
holding him as close as she could. She didn't ever want to
let go.

***

        They sat in front of the television, ready to watch the
movie.
        "O.k," began Lois, "Lethal Weapon 1, 2 or 3?" They both
smiled. It was the time when Kyle Griffin was after her that
they watched Lethal Weapon movies. She came over to Clark's
place because she was afraid that Kyle would get her in her
sleep. Clark was her sanctuary. He always made her feel safe.
There was something familiar about that ...
        "One, you never got through that film last time." Lois
sat down on the sofa next to Clark and smiled. So she had
fallen asleep. It was the only time she had felt safe enough.
Clark pulled her close. He felt warm and Lois snuggled closer
to him. Her skin felt soft and he couldn't help stroking her
face. 'What a beautiful face it is,' he contemplated. It was
the best time to tell Lois and he wasn't going to let it pass
him by. 'Yes,' he'd decided, 'now's as good a time as any.'
        "Lois." But there was no answer, only a light breathing
noise. She was asleep. "Not again," he murmured. Every time
he wanted to tell her something would get in the way. Now
that she was asleep, if he woke her she wouldn't be in the
best of moods to receive the news of the century ... or would
she. Clark kept thinking about it, should he or shouldn't he?
Should he wake her up or not? Would telling her now be the
best thing? Then the worst thought came into his mind, should
he *ever* tell her? But he quickly dismissed it, he wanted to
marry her and if he wanted to, Lois had to know everything.
Clark went on like this until the early hours of the morning
and fell asleep feeling a coward.

***

        Lois woke up with a jerk. The film had finished, she'd
missed it again. Typical. She looked at Clark. He'd fallen
asleep too. He looked so peaceful that she didn't want to
disturb him. She managed to get out his arms successfully and
gazed at him lovingly before going to the kitchen for a
drink.
        She lazily walked back to the living room, taking short
sips of water. She looked at Clark again. 'God it's amazing,
so much has happened to us.' She thanked God for Clark, that
he came into her life and constantly repented for calling him
a 'hack from nowheresville'. He meant the world to her, and
it seemed like they were finally comfortable with each other.
Still taking sips of her drink, she sat on the table so that
she was directly facing him, just so that she could absorb
the face that gave her so much joy. Then it occurred to her,
she had never seen Clark without his glasses on. She wondered
what he looked like, she was sure that he looked like someone
famous but she could never quite place it. George Clooney?
Nah, he had nothing on Clark. Christopher Reeve? Mmm, maybe,
there was something about Clark that reminded her of
Christopher but what she couldn't quite figure out.
Temptation got the better of her and she removed Clark's
glasses ...
        You know what? I'm sure that he looks like someone
else. But who ... come on Lois you can figure this out who
... ' That was it! Clark looked like Superman! Why hadn't she
figured it out before. She smiled at her discovery. She knew
Clark looked like someone famous. Wow, she was going out with
a Superman look-a-like. Clark would be really good at
parties. Still holding his glasses, she walked back toward
the kitchen when she heard Clark say, "Lois, I'm Superman."
Lois turned back to him.
        "What did you say?" But Clark hadn't said anything, he
was still asleep. So where did the voice come from? Then the
voice came again, "I love you with all my heart Lois. I want
to marry you." This time Lois was looking at Clark's face and
his lips hadn't moved, *he* hadn't moved. The voice was
coming from inside her head, but she knew that it was Clark's
voice. 'When did we have this conversation?' Lois asked
herself. She wasn't experiencing amnesia, she was sure about
that. If they'd had a conversation where Clark told her that
he was Superman, she definitely would've remembered.
        She sat down slowly. She still couldn't believe it and
then it dawned on her.
        "Oh my God! Clark *is* Superman!"
        She screamed. Clark awoke with a start.
        "Wha ... what, what happened?" He fumbled around and
felt his face. His glasses were gone. He looked at Lois who
was in turn looking at him in astonishment, holding his
glasses. "Oh boy."

***

        "So all this time, you kept this from me. You lied to
me every single day."
        "I'm sorry Lois, I know it's not enough to say but I
didn't mean to hurt you. I wanted to tell you ... "
        "Yeah well according to my brain you have told me, you
said, 'Lois, I'm Superman.' I mean it was *your* voice! And
then you said, 'I love you with all my heart, Lois. I want to
marry you'. When did you say this?"
        "In hospital, while you were in a coma." Lois sat down.
This was so bizarre, but that seemed to be how their lives
were. Lois couldn't think. She loved Clark but this changed
everything. Clark couldn't expect an answer to anything right
now. She needed time. All she could think was that he had
lied to her. If he wanted anything from her now she was in
danger of telling him to take a run and jump off a cliff, but
that wouldn't hurt him, would it. 'Oh, this is hopeless'. The
only way to stop Clark asking her anything was to get in
there first. To make sure he didn't get a word in.
        "Well, I can't think about this now."
        "O.k well ... "
        "So it's 8 a.m. now. Let's go to Sally's Soup Kitchen."
Lois walked to her bedroom to change, leaving Clark standing
there afraid that he'd lost the woman he loved, forever.

***

        There was so much rubble and broken metal around the
place that Lois began to wonder what had happened to close
the Business Park down, a nuclear explosion? It wasn't hard
to find Sally's Soup Kitchen though, it was the only one left
standing.
        Once inside though, Lois and Clark couldn't find any
evidence that Soup ever existed there, but now that the
Business Park was deserted no one would bother checking it
out. Lois tried one of the many crates, but they were locked
tight.
        "Clark, do you think you could call Super ... I mean
you could use your x-raying thing to see what was in those
boxes?" Clark grinned. She didn't sound too mad at him, maybe
that was a good sign. But the boxes distracted him. In them
were files on alien landings. In fact, it was all the things
that Lois and Clark had found in Bureau 39 when Jason Trask
tried to kill him. What did Lex and Pedro want with it? How
did they get it?
        "It's all Bureau 39 stuff?"
        "What? Are you sure?"
        "Yeah, my craft is at the other end of the warehouse."
        "Your ... " Then Lois stopped, Superman's baby craft.
That meant that it was *Clark's* baby craft. God this was
going to take some getting used to. They ran over to it, to
take a closer look, Lois had never seen it before but Clark
suddenly felt a pain all over his body. Kryptonite. But where
was it?
        "Clark! What's wrong?"
        "Kryptonite. In the crate. My baby craft. Ahh ...
hurry." Lois looked around, stunned. It was Clark collapsed
on the floor, not Superman. For a split second she couldn't
take it in. 'Pull yourself together, Lane!' Surprisingly, the
crate opened easily and for the first time, Lois saw the
space ship that Clark had come to earth in. It was like a
milestone in her life, it was how the man she loved had come
into this world, literally. She could feel the tears well up.
She stood there gazing at it sentimentally when she heard a
ticking noise. Right in front of her face, a bomb was ticking
but it wasn't a bomb she had seen before.
        "Clark, just x-ray this crate and tell me what kind of
bomb that is? Are you strong enough?"
        "Yeah." With all the strength he could muster, Clark x-
rayed the crate and recognised instantly the Disintegrating
Bomb - it would turn the warehouse into dust. There was 3
minutes left. Enough time for them to get out and at a safe
distance. "Lois we've got to get out of here, that bomb will
turn everything into dust. Help me and let's go." Lois didn't
argue, she pulled Clark up with all the effort she could
gather and they made their way out when they were faced with
Pedro and Rene. Clark tried his best to stand alert but the
Kryptonite had a drastic effect on him, and he collapsed.
        "Clark!" But before Lois could try and revive him, Rene
had taken hold of her. "Oh no you don't," she seethed. Rene
was a weed, she could break him in half, but instead she
knocked him out cold and he fell in a heap on the floor, at
the feet of his brother. "Hello again." Lois tried to sound
confident and she grinned determined that Pedro wouldn't see
that she was so scared her heart was pounding, it was all she
could hear. Now she had to get past the midget, 'not before I
kick his butt,' she thought. Pedro threw a kick but it was so
puny, Lois had to laugh. This infuriated Pedro all the more
and he slapped her hard. Lois stumbled backward but quickly
regained her composure, charging straight for him she gave a
karate kick, knocking Pedro into a crate.
        "I can't move! You've crippled me, you mad woman!" But
Lois had no sympathy. She dragged Rene and tied the Elisand
brothers up. She checked the bomb timer and there was only a
minute and a half left. She had to get Clark and get out of
there, but he was *really* heavy.
        "Clark," Lois said as she strained to pull him up,
"gimme a hand here!" Clark groaned. 'Good,' Lois sighed in
relief, 'he's o.k'. "Clark, get up, come on, get up!"
        "I can't, Lois. I'm too heavy, there isn't enough time
for both of us. You go without me."
        "What? No. You won't survive the explosion. Who knows
how much the Kryptonite has taken out of you. You might not
be able to take the force of the explosion. Clark, you might
turn into dust."
        "Please Lois, just go."
        "No."
        "Go!"
        "No!" Pedro started to laugh.
        "By the time you two finish arguing, you'll be dead."
        "Shut up!" Lois and Clark screamed simultaneously.
        "Lois, go."
        "But what if you don't make it."
        "Just remember I love you. Hold onto that." Lois
couldn't bear the thought of life without Clark. She couldn't
leave him but she didn't want him dying with the guilt of
knowing that she would die too.
        "Clark, I love you too." Lois cared that he hadn't told
her sooner that he was Superman, but she might never see him
again. She didn't want him to die thinking that she hated
him. She didn't hate him, she was only hurt.
        Lois ran out of the warehouse as fast as she could, she
wasn't even sure that she would make it. The force of the
explosion was so loud it was deafening, it threw Lois to the
ground almost knocking her out. But that was the least of her
worries. All she could think about was Clark, she hoped that
he was all right, she hoped that he was able to take the
intensity of the explosion. But after the debris had settled,
there was nothing left. Nothing but dust.

***

        Lois sat in her apartment, rocking back and forth in
despair. She had hoped to find Clark sitting there waiting
for her but there was nothing but coldness. The cops hadn't
found a single soul in one piece. Pedro had disintegrated,
Rene had disintegrated but she didn't care. They were for
Kim. But Clark was gone too. There was no sign of him and
there was no way of knowing if he had been able to find a way
out.
        Lois kept thinking about Clark and Superman. How one
day they were two people and the next they were one. Until
the second the warehouse blew up, Lois never realised how
much Clark meant to her. He was her life. When she saw the
love in his eyes, his strength wasn't in his powers but they
were in his heart. She couldn't believe how stupid she was,
thinking that it mattered if Clark had kept being Superman
from her. She knew him well enough to know that he had done
it for a reason, albeit a stupid reason. He didn't
maliciously keep it from her. She felt cold and lonely, she
felt ashamed. Ashamed that she hadn't trusted Clark's
judgments. She didn't want to be taken wrongly. He should
have told her, but he was torn between her safety and how she
would react.
        "But now he'll never know," she sobbed. One tear came
and then they all began to fall. She didn't care for being
tough and strong anymore, she missed Clark. She felt a shiver
go through her. The window must be open'. She rose to close
it, but it was already closed. 'Clark?' She rotated as fast
as humanly possible to face the man of her dreams.
        "Clark!" She held him as tight as she could. She didn't
want to ever let him go. She kissed his face all over hoping
that with every one he would feel better. "Oh Clark, I'm so
glad that you're ... oh I love you. I'm sorry." Clark held
her just as close. He couldn't speak, he just held her,
savouring every moment. Lois just stayed there in his arms,
feeling the warmth, love and passion that ignited in her just
by him being there. Clark looked at her, and stroked her
face. He lived for this woman, he would die for this woman.
        Lois noticed the tears in his eyes and her chest felt
tight.
        "Clark, how did you get out?" But Clark was beyond
talking, all he wanted to do was kiss her and he did, more
passionately than she could ever remember. Clark felt
complete. He had told the woman of his dreams the secret that
had been eating away at him, and she still loved him, not the
Superhero but *him* the mild mannered reporter. Lois knew
that instant, everything would be all right. She loved him
for who he was, Clark Kent, not Superman. Superman was what
he could *do*, Clark who he *really* was. And that was who
she fell in love with.
        Lois couldn't explain the love that she felt for him
any more than Clark could explain the love he had for her.
Lois thought about marriage. She didn't know if she was
ready, whether she was used to the idea that Clark and
Superman were one. All they knew was that they were right for
each other. No matter what obstacles they faced, they would
face them together.

THE END
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Fanfic: "Communication"
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I hope I'm not out of line by posting a couple of my fan fictions on the
list .... I really don't want to over-step the mark by doing something
that I'm not but at the moment I'm trying to write a new story but I've
sorta lost my confidence in writing ... I was just hoping that I could
post the two fan fictions that I've written and get some opinion on it
...

I apologise if this is not allowed but I need 'expert' opinions on these
stories .. you know ... if my style is ok, and most importantly my
punctuation and grammar .. there was no outside help on these whatsoever
so there are bound to be errors in it ... I'd appreciate feedback .. I
wouldn't post it on the list if I didn't need the feedback .. thanks
everyone :-)
Angee.

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"COMMUNICATION."
by Angee Chaudhry (angee.chaudhry@fastc.demon.co.uk).

Lois yawned, stretched and felt wonderful... positively lit up. Before
she could open her eyes, a tender kiss was planted on her lips, soft and
warm.

"Oooh, now that's what I like to wake up to." She opened her eyes to see
Clark gazing lovingly at her, Lois returned the gaze. She could stay
like this forever.

First Lois became a wife and now she was a mother-to-be, all in the
space of two months. She wasn't sure about being pregnant at first, but
now she was totally comfortable with it. She never thought she could be.
She remembered the time when she and Clark were abandoned on Spencer
Spencer's desert Island and she remembered confessing her fears about
being a mother to Clark. He was so reassuring then, and it was that
reassurance that got her through this, and Martha's.

Martha had been a tower of strength, she had been the mother that Lois
could only have dreamt of. It was then that Lois began to feel bad for
her own mother. Lois had called Martha for help before she had even
thought of her own mother, Lois felt guilty for that but she also felt
justified. "How could I do that to mom? My own mother." But the bottom
line was, Martha understood Lois, Ellen didn't.

Clark could see that Lois was upset about something by the gradual frown
that had appeared on her face.

"What is it Lois?"

Lois, who was deep in thought suddenly snapped out of it and answered,
"What? Oh, nothing. It's o.k."

"Come on Lois, you can't keep doing this to me. You always say nothing
and it always ends up being something big. Just look what happened the
last time you said it was nothing." He grinned and laid his hand gently
on Lois' stomach. Lois smiled too, she could understand Clarks
frustration and concern, she was leaving him out of her thoughts and her
feelings. If she wasn't careful she would end up shutting him out so
much that she might actually lose him.

At that point Lois remembered something that Clark had told her, "Mom
always said, communication is key." At that, Lois exclaimed out loud,

"See, there I go again!"  Clark was taken aback by this sudden outburst,
Lois was difficult to understand sometimes but now she was acting
stranger than usual, maybe it was the pregnancy, he'd have to keep an
eye on her.

"Lois, what's going on. You're kinda freakin' me out honey."  Now that
was the last thing Lois wanted to do.

"Oh, Clark. I'm sorry." She pulled him close, she needed him so close to
her right now. It seemed that her pregnancy had heightened all her worst
fears, she was becoming neurotic about everything, more than usual.
"It's just that I was thinking".

Clark was amused by the understatement of Lois' words. "Yeah, I could
see by the frown on your face, the tension in your lips, especially when
I kiss you. You do go tense from time to time."

"Clark! Be serious." Clark *was* being serious, but he knew what a
fragile state Lois was in and decided not to push it.

"O.k. But all jokes aside. What *is* the matter?" There was a long
pause, Lois was in one of her psyching-herself-up moods that Clark
thought it best to give her those extra few seconds to decide how best
to say what was really bothering her. It was exciting living with Lois,
his little tornado, never a dull moment. God, he loved her.

"I was thinking about what happened when I found out I was pregnant."

"Yeah."

"Well, I told you how confused, bewildered I was, didn't I?"

"You did."

"Totally lost, not knowing where I was going or what I was doing."

"Lois, I hate to push but could you get to the point. I'm gonna be late
for work."

"Oh yeah, sorry. Well, the first thing I thought to do was call *your*
mother." Clark stared at Lois for a split second, not quite sure what to
make of that. He knew Lois well enough to understand what that statement
meant, he knew how much Lois loved and respected his mother, then he
realized what Lois was talking about.

"You mean, you felt guilty for not immediately thinking of your own
mother first?" Lois released a huge sigh of relief. She felt happy that
Clark understood, but that happiness was short lived.

"Clark, why did I do that? If my mom knew then she'd be heart broken."

"So don't tell her."

"O.k. but what about me?" Clark laughed,

"Well Lois, I think it's going to be a little harder not to tell *you*
." As frustrated with the situation as Lois was, she had to admit - that
was funny. But what did it say about her when she didn't even give her
own mother a thought, was she insensitive?

"Clark, I'm serious."

"O.k. Lois, I'm sure that you love your mom very much, just because you
didn't go to her when you found out the baby was coming doesn't mean
that you don't love or care about her. I'm sure that you would go to
your mom about certain things, and you would go to my mom about others.
It doesn't say anything about you or your feelings toward Ellen. O.k.?"
Clark always knew the right thing to say, just like his mother. Even
though Clark wasn't the Kent's flesh and blood, he was their son, in
every way.

Lois and Clark exchanged a passionate kiss, they gazed into eachothers
eyes and they could feel the passion rise in them both but Clark broke
off. "Lois, I've really got to get ready for work." He jumped out of bed
but before he rushed off to the shower he kissed Lois on the cheek.
"Love you."

Lois lay there stunned. They'd always stayed in bed canoodling or just
being with eachother, loving the closeness of eachothers bodies, that
when Clark got up Lois felt a bit lost, "why did Clark just up and run
like that?" she thought, "doesn't he find me attractive any more? This
isn't fair, when I feel at my most vulnerable he runs off!" She lay
there, until Clark went to work before she got out of bed.

"That's great, now what am I suppose to do? I can't cook, there's
nothing to tidy up, and Clark has forbidden me to go to work. Why I'm
listening to him I don't know, but I guess he's right. I guess it's for
my own good. Ah, this isn't fair!" Lois went to the fridge and casually
took a look inside to see what she might have for breakfast. She saw
some things that took her fancy and took them out and sat down to eat.
Before she dived in she looked at the food and grimaced, "why am I about
to eat this?" As she looked down she realized that she'd taken out some
pickles and a bowl of cream. "I guess this is what it's going to be like
being pregnant!" Then she looked down and stoked her stomach, then the
rest of her body. "Ah well, good-bye fitness, hello fatness!"

----------------------------------------------------------------

Clark whistled as he entered the Daily Planet's Main Newsroom. Life was
perfect, he was married to the woman of his dreams, they were deeply in
love and she was having *their* baby. Life couldn't have been any better
than it was at that moment. Clark sat at his desk, not really in the
mood to get down to work, he just wanted to sit there and think about
his beautiful wife and the life that was growing inside her.

"What will the baby be?" he thought, "if it's a boy it'll probably look
a bit like me, I bet Lois would say the dimples are a must, if it's a
girl it would have Lois' stunning looks, it'll probably be as difficult
as her but.... it'll also be as precious as anything I've ever known."
And then it hit him. It was going to be *his* baby, *his* own flesh and
blood. He didn't want to be taken the wrong way, he loved his parents,
he really did, but they weren't his flesh and blood. This baby would be.
And the most wonderful thing would be that he was having this baby....
with Lois. God, how he loved her.

As Clark sat there day-dreaming about Lois and the baby and the
wonderful life they would all have together, and the things that had
happened to them over the past three and a half years that almost
prevented their happiness, he was oblivious to Perry and Jimmy standing
in the doorway of Perry's office, observing Clark.

"See that Chief, he's been sitting there for nearly 30 minutes and
hasn't even started working on his story. Lois is sick. CK thought going
to Smallville for the weekend would cure Lois but obviously she's gotten
worse."

"Lois needs the rest, Jimmy. She did look off color last week. I think
it's best that she takes a few days off. But Clark..... he seems a
little, well, out of it."

"Yeah, it's like he's in another world, another dimension."

"He's not sick is he?" They both looked at eachother with the exact same
thought coming into their minds, and simultaneously they both said,

"Or they've had a really big fight!" Perry was sure that was it. Why
else would Lois not come into work? Why else would Clark be in cuckoo
land?

"Ah, great shades of Elvis. Those two are never gonna be happy together
are they!" At that Perry waltzed over to Clark, "Kent, what the *hell*
has gotten into you? You've been sittin' here for damn near half an hour
and you haven't even started on your story. Now I wanna know what's
going on between you and Lois and I wanna know, now!"

"There is something that I think I should tell you and Jimmy, Chief."
Clark was all geared up to tell the good news and opened his mouth to
tell them when the elevator door opened and Lois walked into the
Newsroom. Clark let out a sigh of despair, "she never listens." He
thought.

"Lois!" Clark ran to her, although he had to admit that it was good to
see her, he didn't know how he was going to cope without seeing her at
least every two minutes, but he told her to stay at home and put her
feet up. But Lois was stubborn and was one of those people who couldn't
keep still for longer than a second, and no baby was going to take that
habit out of her. "You gotta love her!" He thought.

Perry and Jimmy's face lit up, they were so glad to see her. Lois was
like a daughter to Perry, and the sister Jimmy never had. They sure had
missed her. Even though she and Clark had only been gone for the
weekend, Lois would always be in the Newsroom on a Saturday and
sometimes on a Sunday, and for that matter, so would Clark. Boy, they
had missed them. "We're family", thought Perry, "talkin' about
family...."

"Lois, Clark, I wanna know and I wanna know now. What the hell is going
on between you two. Lois? Why are you late? Clark? You are just sitting
there, at you desk doing absolutely *squat*! Have you two had a fight?"
Clark opened his mouth again to tell Perry and Jimmy the news when Lois
interrupted him,

"Everything's fine Chief! Really. It's just that well Clark worries
about me and I haven't been feeling too well lately. I was suppose to
stay at home, like Clark said to, but I feel much better now. So here I
am. I'm really sorry Chief." Perry, who was expecting something a little
more complicated and something that would involve him giving Lois and
Clark a pep talk, was flabbergasted at the simplicity of the problem. It
didn't even require him to open his mouth.

"Well alright then. Well, you two had better get on with the story then
hadn't you." Clark was about to open his mouth again, to tell the truth
so that they knew Lois' condition and could force her to go home. But
Lois anticipated this and got in there before Clark had a chance to even
open his mouth.

"Right Chief, we're on it."

"O.k. then, you two. Get!"

Once alone, Lois knew she was in trouble and Clark was going to give her
an ear full. She was going to need a good excuse.

"O.k. Lois. I thought we'd agreed that you would stay at home."

"Look, Clark. I know that I'm... P.G....."

"P.G.?"

"Pregnant. Honestly Clark, use your head!"

"Oh, sorry."

"Anyway, just because I'm.... you know..... doesn't mean that I have to
sit at home like this little housewife waiting for her husband to get
home from work. That's just not me Clark."

"You know that's not how it is. It's just that I want you to take it
easy. You know, stay off your feet, make sure you look after yourself
and the baby."

"I know sweetheart, and I appreciate the concern, but I talked to my
doctor and he said to carry on as usual. Babies are more resilient than
you think. And I know that because this baby is going to be slightly
different, because it's.." then she came closer to Clark so that no-one
would hear, "half Kryptonian. It doesn't mean that it's any different
than a human baby. It's not going to be *that* different. It'll still
have arms, and legs, and a heart." Whilst Lois and Clark were talking,
they didn't realize Jimmy walking towards them,

"What will?" Lois didn't expect to hear Jimmy behind her, but when she
did she jumped, nearly falling over. Clark caught her and Jimmy watched
with a suspicious glare.

"Ah Jimmy, you scared me."

"What were you two talkin' about? What will have arms and legs and a
heart?" Clark was grinning and was about to say a baby when Lois, again,
interjected,

"A monkey!" Jimmy looked bewildered, but Lois simply grinned back at
him, refusing to elaborate on why they would be talking about a monkey.
Lois changed the subject as quickly as she could, "so what have you
got?" Jimmy had almost forgotten why he had approached them,

"Oh yeah. Here's the information from Dr Klein. It's the list of things
that were stolen from S.T.A.R. Labs. The only things taken were two test
tubes of DNA samples. One from a Male and one from a Female. Dr Klein
wouldn't say what they were for over the phone, he wanted to speak to
you two in person."

Lois felt better already, like things were getting back to normal. It's
not that she wasn't looking forward to the baby, it's just she couldn't
sit around for nine months doing nothing. "Actually," she thought when
she realized how bloated she'd be at nine months, "maybe I'll take time
off for the last few weeks, or so. But at least I won't be idle for the
whole term." She thanked Jimmy and as soon as he was clear she sat down,
ready to get to work.

"Well, I think we should go interview Dr Klein. Don't you think, Clark?"
But Clark wasn't listening to her, he was thinking how stubborn Lois
was, how she could easily get hurt. Did she know how much he loved this
baby? He hoped that she would do nothing to harm it, she had to look
after herself.... and the baby. "Clark? Earth calling Clark!"

"You are so stubborn!"

"Excuse me? Clark, what's on your mind, or need I ask?" Clark took a
deep breath and kneeled down next to Lois.

"Lois, sweetheart, listen to me. I know that no matter what I say you
will not go home but will you promise me one thing?"

"What?"

"Please don't put yourself in danger and do anything to jeopardize your
safety or that of the baby." Lois looked deep into Clarks eyes, she saw
the concern and the fright that was in his eyes if he ever lost her or
the baby. She took his face in her hands,

"Clark, you know that I love this baby as much as you do. And I know
what this baby means to you, it'll be your flesh and blood, part of you.
You've never known that and you don't want to lose it. I know that and I
understand and I wouldn't do anything to hurt that, ever." Clark always
knew, deep down that Lois understood and that she felt the same way. He
felt so ashamed that he had underestimated her,

"Lois, I'm sorry. I feel so ashamed that I thought that maybe you
wouldn't know. But I wasn't just saying that because of the baby. I
meant that about you too." Lois smiled, and then Clark did.

"I know". They gave eachother a tender kiss but still with the same
amount of passion as the kiss of that morning. They gazed into each
other's eyes, wanting eachother, but knowing they couldn't have
eachother. Not in the Newsroom in front of all their colleagues. "But
there's something I want to ask you."

"What?"

"Why did you break off this morning?" Clark gave Lois a look of
bewilderment, he had no idea what she was talking about.

"What do you mean?"

"When we were kissing in bed this morning, you *know* you wanted say
there longer, as much as I did, but you broke off, why?" Clark felt like
sinking into the ground, he'd sworn to himself that he would never do
this, but he did. He did that and then he'd not explained to Lois why.
He knew how sensitive she was and what a vulnerable state she was in.
His heart hurt.

"Oh Lois," he looked down too ashamed to say anything. Lois became
alarmed, not knowing what to expect, her heart began to thump and she
felt herself begin to hyperventilate,

"Oh God, I knew it. You don't love me anymore. I knew it." Lois was in
over-drive and she wasn't listening to Clark protesting, "oh god, but
why? We're so happy. You've lost interest haven't you...."

"Lois! Get a grip. Honey, that's not it at all."

"It's not?"

"No! The very notion is laughable." But that didn't ease Lois, she was
still frightened that something had happened.

"So.. then.... what?"

"I didn't think it was a good idea to do it whilst you were pregnant.
You know, I didn't want to risk harming the baby." Lois relaxed, she
didn't realize how tense she was until she relaxed. She had to compose
herself, Clark was too considerate for his own good. It would get him
into serious trouble one day.

"Clark, sweetheart. Why didn't you tell me. I thought that..."

"I know, and I'm sorry."

"Clark, we've done it before. Whilst I was pregnant."

"I know Lois, but the baby's getting bigger. It could get even more
risky."

"Look, I talked to the doctor about this, actually I talked to her about
everything and she said that sex wouldn't harm the baby. We just have to
be a little less..... passionate." With that they both laughed and they
felt like they were back on track. "And Clark, next time can we promise
to talk about things before they get out of hand? You remember what your
mom said..." And they both chimed in,

"Communication is key!" They knew that minute that they would be
alright, they would get through this. Lois didn't know how Clark put up
with her stubbornness and neurosis, but she knew that she wouldn't lose
him over it. Clark didn't know how Lois put up with him trying to make
decisions for her without telling her why, even though they were well
intentioned and for her own good. But he knew that he wouldn't lose her
over it. Because they loved eachother. Forever and always.

Perry stepped in on the pair just as they said the last words,

"Your damn right 'communication is key' but how the hell are you two
gonna write some 'communication' if you're here sitting on your behinds
doin' nothin'. Aren't you suppose to be out there interviewin' Dr
Klein?" Lois and Clark got up, a little embarrassed but more ashamed of
themselves.

"Sorry Chief." Clark said, "we're on our way."

"It won't happen again Chief."

"It better not." Perry knew what trouble, "but Judas Priest," he thought
aloud after they had left the office, "if they weren't the best
reporting team in this town then I.... aw well.... Jimmy!"

"Yeah Chief."

"Get me that article on the escape of Bob Fences,"

"Who?"

"Ah Jimmy, pay attention. You know Bob Fences, the computer's expert,
mind manipulator guy."

"Oh right, sorry. I'll get it Chief." As Jimmy rushed off, Perry stood
firmly on the spot thinking about Lois and Clark. What they had been
through and how much he felt happy that their lives had finally turned
for the better.

"God let them stay happy." He looked up to the sky," give 'em good
things, please."

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As Lois and Clark walked out of the Daily Planet, Lois could see that
Clark was thinking.

"You're obsessing again, aren't you Clark." Once Clark realized what she
was talking about he began to laugh.

"No... well, o.k. Yes."

"Come on, out with it!"

"Why wouldn't you let me tell Perry and Jimmy that you were pregnant?"
Lois knew this was coming, and the expression on her face showed it. She
knew Clark like the back of her hand, he was so predictable,

"Clark, think about it. Compared to those two you are nothing when it
comes to the concerns over my health. Just look at the way you were
about the baby, you were great about it, sort of." She laughed, "o.k. so
you told me to stay at home but once I walked into the Newsroom, I knew
that you would let me stay. You'd miss me too much."

"You know me well." And he couldn't help stopping them both and giving
her a quick but tender kiss.

"How right you are." Then she thought of Perry and Jimmy, and how they
would react, "But Perry, he's my boss, and he's like a father, but most
of all he's my *boss* and he would probably fire me over this, working-
while-your-pregnant thing. And I don't think I could take that. As for
Jimmy, well, he's like a brother. I've known Jimmy for years, and he
would be constantly looking at me and making sure that I was alright. I
mean as sweet as Jimmy is, and as much as I love him, I wouldn't be able
to handle it!" Clark couldn't argue with her on that, Lois definitely
had a point. They began walking again, pondering over the different
actions that they could take and the consequences of them. It was
getting difficult.

"O.k. You *are* right about that. But what about the fact that we *kept*
it from them. How do you think they're going to feel about that?" Lois
lost the satisfaction of being right about how Perry and Jimmy would
react. Clark was right, they'd be heartbroken. She didn't know which
would be worse, the constant scrutinizing and the watching of her every
move making sure that she was alright or them not finding out till it
became obvious.

"I don't know. But let's put that aside for now o.k. Look here we are,
let's just get to work and interview Dr Klein."

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Dr Klein gave new meaning to 'The Nutty Professor'. As soon as Lois and
Clark entered S.T.A.R. Labs he was rushing around like Superman saving
lives at Super-speed. He would be looking out the window to check that
no-one was spying on him, then he'd check on the four remaining test
tubes, making sure they were still there and that none had been tampered
with, then he'd rush back to the window again.

Lois and Clark watched him do this three times before they could no
longer take it. Lois had to stop him, she tried the soft spoken subtle
approach,

"Dr Klein?" That failed and she resorted to the scream, "DR KLEIN!!"

Dr. Klein froze, and then suddenly realized what he was doing. He was
panicking. He was the only one in charge of the test tubes and now that
two had been stolen, his position at S.T.A.R. Labs was at risk, at
*serious* risk.

"Oh, gosh. I'm sorry. It's just that I've become so jumpy since the
robbery. It's so baffling how anyone could have gotten in here without
the alarm going off. Simply impossible to understand."

"What were you doing the night the tubes were taken?" Lois asked,

"I don't know." Dr Klein began, "I left here, after I had done the usual
lock up procedure..."

"That would be what Dr Klein?" Clark quickly asked, "it might give us a
clue to what happened that night." Lois was impressed, that was good
thinking by Clark. She had never thought of that angle.

"Well," began Dr Klein, "the locking up procedure would consist of me
locking *all* the triple glazing, shatter-proof windows, then the triple
glazing shatter-proof door, the only door, to this lab. Then I would
check *every*, *single* triple glazing shatter-proof window and door in
the labs. And then I would lock the main doors, there are four, one on
the west side of the labs, one on the east, one on the south and the
main door at the front which are all triple-triple glazing, double
shatter-proof, with..."

"Ah, Dr Klein," Clark interrupted, "we get the idea."

"Oh, yeah right. Well all those four doors are locked with ten locks and
are then security locked with an inside alarm and an outside one. And
that's about it." Lois and Clark were numb, they had never been through
an explanation like that which was so incredibly..... boring - tedious
and boring. Lois needed to sit down. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea
for Clark ask to Dr Klein how he locked up, they should of known by now
what to expect and what to avoid.

"Are you alright, honey?"

"Yeah, Clark. Don't worry." Dr Klein saw the frustration in Lois' face
when she listening to him but mistakenly took it for being an illness.
It had not even crossed Dr Klein's mind that his explanations could be
anything but enlightening.

"Are you alright, Mrs Kent?"

"Ah, that's Miss Lane, Dr Klein." Lois saw that he didn't understand why
Lois hadn't taken up Clark's name. "Oh no Dr Klein, it's just that I've
worked so hard to get a name for myself that it was easier to just keep
it." Dr Klein understood,

"So Dr Klein," asked Clark. He was getting tired and wanted to press on
so that he could get Lois back home as quickly as possible so that she
could rest. She was looking tired, but deep down he knew that it wasn't
the pregnancy.... "What did you do *after* you did *all* the locking
up?"

"You know that's kinda funny, because my car is usually parked just on
the kerb outside the North doors, and after I locked up everything is a
blur, because the next thing I remember is me sitting in the car. I was
probably *very* tired that night."

Clark wanted to know *exactly* what happened that night, he was sure
that it was the key to what really happened,

"Dr Klein. You have a security camera don't you?" Dr Klein had forgotten
all about those,

"Of course, the most recent tape, it's still in the recorder. Over
here." Dr Klein, Lois and Clark all went over to the t.v. and recorder
that was kept in a small corner. As he played it, there on the screen
was Dr Klein locking the North door but then all of a sudden, the
picture scrambled and when the picture came back Dr Klein was sitting in
his car that was parked right where he said it was. Clark knew it,

"My guess is, whatever happened concerning the robbery, happened when
the picture messed up. I'm sure that was no accident." Lois agreed. That
was too weird but Lois had one more question to ask,

"Dr Klein, what were those two test tubes of DNA samples going to be
used for?" It was then that Dr Klein began rushing about again, like he
had when Lois and Clark first entered the lab. "Dr Klein? DR KLEIN!" And
just like before, he stopped.

"You have to understand Miss Lane, Mr Kent, that I was the only person
here. I pleaded insanity to my peers, because I couldn't recall what had
happened that night."

"Well that's not too hard to understand." Muttered Clark, quiet enough
so that Dr Klein couldn't hear him, but Lois did and she nudged him,

"Clark."

"What was that Miss Lane?"

"Oh nothing Dr Klein, carry on."

"Yes well if I tell you then you'll write it in your paper and then my
peers will know what happened and then they'll fire me!"

"Dr Klein, we appreciate your concern, but I promise you that we will
find some other source that'll tell us the information before we divulge
anything that you told us." Clark was now desperate to get out of there,
so now wooing Dr Klein into spilling the information seemed the easiest
way to get them *out*. Fortunately, Dr Klein bought it,

"O.k. These test tubes were going to be the first genetic, but
indestructible, security guards. They would be able to camouflage
themselves so that unsuspecting thieves, would be totally unaware that
they were being watched. Then as soon as the *bad* people try too break
in *boom*, our *good* people, our *unique* good people come out of their
camouflage and get 'em."

"What do you mean by 'camouflage' Dr Klein?" Lois asked,

"I mean, that... um.... well have you both seen Terminator 2?" Both Lois
and Clark looked at eachother, baffled, of course they'd seen it but
what did that have to do with this? "Well, the bad cop, the one that was
made out of Mercury, you know, he could change into anything - provided
it was organic. Well, that's what these things can do." He said,
pointing to the four remaining test tubes, "only *these* ones can
camouflage themselves into inanimate as well as animate objects. They
can do anything!"

It was then that they understood Dr Klein's immense anxiety and it was
then that they comprehended the enormity of the disaster that these
*things* would have in the wrong hands.

"Oh my god!" Thought Lois, then Lois and Clark thanked Dr Klein, again
swearing that they would keep this information confidential until they
found another way of explaining it without exposing him as the source,
and they left.

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The room was dark and musty. There was no light except through the half-
drawn blinds. Suddenly, the blinds were opened and a flood of bright
light filled the room and awoke the sleeping Bob Fences.

"Shut the damn blinds!" He looked up to see no one there, he then looked
at the floor beneath the window and saw the blinds in a heap on the
floor. "Oh, the blinds broke." Fences took a long look around his, now
empty, office. This had once been where he controlled the most thriving
computer business in all Metropolis, until Lois Lane and Clark Kent
wrote their article on him. He created a microwave transmitter that
would literally kill a city, then he was sent to Prison. Now that he was
out, he would get his revenge.

With what was left of his money stored in a German bank and with some
loyal associates who had thankfully kept away from the clutches of the
thriving Intergang, he had managed to steal two test tubes from S.T.A.R.
Labs.

"Now I can make my millions, with the genetic engineering already taken
care of by Dr Klein all I need now do is supply my high-tech thieves
with the *computer* engineering. They don't call me the best mind
manipulator for nothing. I was the one who made Lois Lane look stupid -
I made her think she was abducted by *aliens*!" He then screamed out
loud and in entered Pryce, one of Fences' *henchmen*. "So, Pryce,
nothing went wrong with the robbery? My scrambler worked on the camera?"

"Yes sir," replied Pryce, "it gave us enough time to get in and out and
still not be seen. But one question sir..." Fences glared at Pryce, he
did not like questions but he'd allow *one* just this once.

"What is it Pryce?"

"How did you manage to make Dr Klein open the security doors for us? He
was *very* compliant. Is he part of us?" Fences smirked at Pryce's total
ignorance.

"No you idiot! Did you not read the infamous article that Lane and Kent
wrote about me in the paper about the methods I had used in attempting
to use my transmitter to bribe countries?" Pryce simply shook his head,
"Well, my ignorant friend, I simply sent him a free gift through the
mail. A watch which when worn, will send shocks through the body to the
brain that will convey the message that I want. Like in Klein's case I
simply provided computer generated messages in the watch that when I
triggered it off with this device," Fences held up what looked like a
detonator switch, "would induce him to, 'do as you say.' Neat huh?"
Pryce had to admit, it was good. He was glad that he had *sided* with
Fences rather than opposing him, God knows what could have happened to
him. "Phase one complete!"

Now that he had the test tubes, he knew exactly what to do with them.
But he was sure that Lane and Kent would figure out how his men had
gotten past Klein so easily, they weren't the best for nothing, he knew
that. So he had to act quickly, "but rest assured," Fences thought,
"Lane and Kent are in for the *shock* of their lives!"

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Back at the Planet, Lois and Clark were busy trying to piece together
the missing pieces to Dr Klein's story. They knew Dr Klein too well to
suspect him of lying so there had to be another explanation.

"My theory is, that Dr Klein was in some kind of trance when the robbers
attacked." Clark wondered out loud, "Dr Klein gave me a print out of
what times the security lock was accessed, as you see here?" He pointed
out one entry on the piece of paper,

"I see it," replied Lois but she didn't see the relevance, "but when do
I get happy?"

"Well, this is the exact same time that the camera scrambled, and Dr
Klein has no recollection of ever pressing the keys mad as no-one else
knows the access codes means that ... "

" He *was* in some kind of trance but how...." at that point Lois looked
at Clark. His face to anyone else would seem to be normal, but to Lois
she could see that he was hiding something. "O.k. out with it!"

"How did you know?"

"Communication between you and I is not solely verbal, Mr Kent. I
thought you of all people would know that by now." Clark grinned, Lois
was teasing him again, he had this sudden urge to touch her and kiss her
all over but he knew that this wasn't the time. And Lois knew that too.
She enjoyed teasing him.

"Dr Klein said that he did remember looking at his watch before going
into the trance." Lois knew what this meant and why Clark had kept it
from her. He had done the same to Lois a little while ago. He didn't
want her exerting herself.

"The only person that we know who could do this is Bob Fences," then she
remembered the aliens, the trances. "It all fits only .... " Fences was
in Prison, or was he? Then Lois and Clark simultaneously called for
Jimmy,

"You hollered?" Jimmy humorously replied. Lois didn't catch on to the
joke, she had more important things to think about,

"Yeah Jimmy, tell us something, you know the computer's expert .." Clark
carried on,

"Bob Fences, is he .... " and Lois finished off,

"Out of Prison?" Jimmy was no longer listening to the words they were
saying, he was amazed at the exact same way in which they spoke, they
always knew how the other one was thinking. They knew eachother's next
move. Amazing. "Jimmy?" Lois asked again, "is he?"

"Oh right! Sorry you guys, it's just that stereo thing you two do! It
gets me everytime."

Clark was getting impatient, there was no time to lose. He was sure that
Fences was going to come after him and Lois and he didn't want Lois to
get hurt. He *needed* to catch this guy before he did anything to Lois
.... and their baby. "Jimmy, come on."

"Sorry CK. As a matter of fact, yeah he did. Robertson wrote an article
about it today. Just after you left to see Dr Klein actually. How did
you two know?" But Lois and Clark weren't paying attention to him
anymore, they had to find Bob Fences and they had to find him now. But
where? Just then they heard someone shout out,

"Chief, there's been a robbery at Computer City!"

"Bingo." Thought Clark, he looked at Lois and she knew what he was going
to do. She also knew that she had to stay put. No matter what.

"O.k. But Clark .. "

"Yeah?"

"Can I like stand on the other side of the road, just so that I can
*see* what's happening? I promise I won't go anywhere *near* danger."
Clark was all ready to say no, but Lois gave him *that* look and he had
to say yes. But he would drop her way out of harms reach.

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Little did they know that it was a trap. Fences knew that Lane and Kent
would put his escape and Dr Klein's trance together so a robbery using
his new toys seemed only fitting to use as a trap. A Lane and Kent trap.
He planned to *shock* the life out of them.

He stood on the roof of the Metropolis Bank looking down at the scene
that was unfolding. Police cars, crowds of by-standers, reporters. But
he was looking out for the very special two reporters that put him away.
He became worried when he couldn't see them, they had to be here, he was
sure of it. They couldn't miss an opportunity like this, an opportunity
to catch *the* Bob Fences.

Fences saw Superman quickly enter the shop, but he knew that Superman
would not find the thieves, because they would be hidden, they were
agile enough to be away from the crime scene that Superman would not
even *know* where to start looking for them. It was perfect. The only
thing that would put the icing on the cake would be Lois Lane and Clark
Kent tied up ready for torture.

He had abandoned his office, Fences knew that spending more than an hour
there would mean definite re-capture. But he was smart. Then there!
There was Lane, but no Kent, standing on the other side of the road. A
quiet observer, trying to keep away from big bad Bob. If only she knew
there was no escape, and Superman wouldn't save her.

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Superman finished scanning the store before giving up. He gave the
police all the information he could but he couldn't find the culprits.
But he knew who they were. The police thanked him and he decided to go
back to Lois, they still had work to do, he ran across the street where
he left her but she was gone. His heart jumped into his throat,

"Oh God, Lois!" He screamed but there was no answer. Where could she be?
He needed to find out where she was but how would he find her. The only
thing he could do was scan the area. It was all he could do. He knew
this would happen. But he didn't blame Lois, he feared for her safety,
he hoped he would find her before he had to face the fact that he
wouldn't but he tried to push aside the terrible thought of life without
her.

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As Lois came around, she found herself hanging, twenty feet above the
ground. She took a brief look at where she was and she knew her captor
was clever, he had put her in a prison type of room, lined with lead.
Then the doors opened.

"Hello Lois."

"Fences, it *was* you."

"Of course it was Lois, I know it and you know it. I hope you like your
room, it's a replica of the one that *your* article put me in, so I
thought it only fitting that you should die in the same surroundings. I
planned this well enough, except the capturing of your partner. I hear
that you're married now, congratulations. Anyway, he wasn't with you at
the time but we'll get him soon enough. And I wouldn't count on Superman
coming because, he won't see you."

"What are you going to do with me?" The fear in Lois' face was evident
and Fences was enjoying every ounce of it. But Fences only knew the half
of it. Lois had faced death many times before, it wasn't her safety she
was fearing for, it was the life of her child. She never felt more than
now, the total love for the life inside her .. and the love she had for
Clark. Fences walked closer to her. He was followed by two of his men
dragging a large tub of water, too deep to see the bottom of.

"Ever heard of Shock Therapy?" Lois didn't answer, she was reluctant to
say anything anymore, all she could think about was Clark. "Well I guess
you haven't, need I explain?" Again Lois said nothing. "I think I will,
just to make it clear. You see, this water is no ordinary water. As you
can see, it moves! Do you know why that is Lois?" Again silence, "you
see there is a steady current going through this water and *you* will be
lowered into it. So," Fences looked at his men, "let the ceremony
begin!"

As soon a Fences proclaimed this, Lois screamed, but not out loud, in
her heart. She screamed for Clark, she cried out for her baby. Her heart
began to pound and her emotion ran high. Immediately, her years with
Clark flashed before her eyes and she saw something else flash before
her eyes, something she had never seen before, her baby - their baby -
their baby girl. Then there was an almighty crash, and before Lois could
comprehend what was going on, she was being lifted down, she felt like
she was floating and when she turned her head, it was Clark.

Lois was astounded, "How did you...." but Clark stopped her, she needed
to save her strength,

"Sshh, later." As she looked over Clark's shoulder she could see Fences
and all his men, tied up ready for delivery to the Police, but Fences
got free.

"This time you're not going to take me alive!" And he dove for the
water,  he dove to his death. Lois stared with horror. That could've
been her, that could've been her baby. A million thoughts went through
her head, so many, but words could not explain the pain and fear that
she felt when she was faced with losing her baby. Their baby. That
instant her life changed, her thoughts changed. Every thought now was of
her daughter.

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Perry and Jimmy rushed to Lois and Clark's place as soon as they had
heard what had happened. Clark met them at the door.

"How is she son?"

"She's doin' o.k. Hi Jimmy."

"Hey CK. Here's some flower's, for Lois."

"Thanks, come in." Lois could hear the gang in the sitting room. Clark
thought she was asleep but the truth was she couldn't sleep. She wanted
to tell the world about her baby.

"Clark?" Called Lois, "Is Perry and Jimmy here?" Clark, Jimmy and Perry
all filed into the bedroom,

"Hi you guys. How are you?" Good old Lois, always thinking of them.
Perry knew though that Lois was really trying to take the focus off
herself but she couldn't. "Perry, Jimmy. Clark and I have something that
we want to tell you."

There was an eager silence, Perry and Jimmy knew that something
important was coming but they also knew that what they were going to
hear would be good news. Perry was getting impatient.

"What is it Lois?"

"I'm pregnant!" There was congratulations all around and curses, mostly
from Perry to Lois, at the irresponsibility of her still working whilst
she was pregnant,

"You know Lois, I should fire you! But, I won't but that's only 'cause
you are *one* of my best reporters, but Lois, promise that you will take
it easy, and no running around. I limit you to desk work for the next
eight months. Comprende?"

"Got it Chief, you don't have to tell me twice." But he couldn't contain
himself, and he rushed to Lois and gave her the biggest hug he could
muster. Deep down, Lois was his little girl and he was damn proud of
her.

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When they were alone Clark cooked, Lois watched. She hugged him close,
never wanting to let go.

"So Mr Kent, can I ask you something?"

"Anything, Mrs Kent." Lois let go of Clark and he stopped cooking,
turning to face her.

"How did you know where to find me?" Clark studied her face, he loved
the way it curved, the way her mouth moved, the expressions in her eyes.
And then he thought of never seeing it again,

"When you went missing, all those horrible thoughts of never seeing you
again went through my mind. My heart started to beat faster than it had
ever done before, and I felt myself dying. Then I *felt* you and I let
my heart do the flying until I found myself over a lead lined room. It
overwhelmed me, like your beauty does every time I see and think about
you. And I don't just mean the beauty on the surface but I mean the
beauty that *is* you and that grows *inside* you." Lois didn't know what
to say, she was lost for words, lost in Clarks words. She loved him more
than life itself, and he loved her more and more each day. It was that
love that united them together, even when he was in New Krypton and it
was their love that found her and the baby, that love would never let
any of them die.

"Clark. I want to tell you something. I was going to keep this to
myself, but communication between us has become more and more
important." She took his face into her hands and looked deep into his
eyes, "I love you more than you'll ever know. It's been your love that
has seen me through a lot of things. And whilst I was tied up, I felt
myself with you. It was amazing, it was like an out of body experience
but it was strong. It wasn't death, it was life that was calling me. I
knew you would come. And I saw something else."

"What?"

"Our baby."

"You .. *saw* ... our baby?"

"I have this strong feeling that I know what our baby is going to be."

"What?"

"A girl." Clark felt that too. He *knew* it. But in his heart it didn't
matter what it was going to be, as long as the baby was healthy, but the
fact that he felt it was going to be a girl as much as Lois did made it
all the more true, all the more incredible.

Their love for eachother was truly incredible, more powerful than Clark
alone. Together they would make it. They took eachother into their arms
and kissed long and hard. The passion mounted until they were lost in
one another. Clark picked Lois up and carried her into their bedroom.
Who cared if the cooking would burn again, it couldn't get any hotter
than Lois and Clark were. Their love would carry on burning, hotter than
the hottest flame, for now and for always.

THE END

(Cheesy ending huh .. :-D)
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In a message dated 98-07-27 18:41:03 EDT, you write:

<< Good. Now can you describe the Romeo & Juliet type plot? >>
Geeeeez! You want everything!
Okona was a go-between for two kids from separate races who were at war with
each other. She or he gave the jewel to the other by way of Okona and he was
caught with it. Peace was made and everyone lived happily ever after.

Marie
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I don't think that Wells planned any of the events in TF. He was responding
to
events around him. Fate (God?) or perhaps the Universe, seems to have
planned
that things work out the way they did. At least that's the way I read the
story.
One thing that is not clear though is just why Wells brought Tempus back
through time begin with. Maybe he did have some foreknowledge of events to
come.

Has any one ever read a story by Robert A Heinlein called "By his
bootstraps"?
This is the Ultimate time travel story/time paradox story. And its about a
guy
simply responding to the events around him.

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At 01:40 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>< Interesting.  Tempus was the catalyst who made it possible for the infant
>Kal-El to be found and raised by the Kents. >
>
><< Not quite. [snip] Hebert George Wells, who probably invented a time
machine,
>heard about some circus strongman in the future (our present), found out
that
>the guy was still alive in the distant future, was innately good, a
superman
>from Krypton etc, etc. thought hmm if only a good childless god-fearing
couple
>could raise him. So he took the guy into the past to initiate the loop. >>
>
>I'm not sure I understand what's being said here. First, wouldn't Wells
have
>had to go into the future to hear about the "circus strongman" of our
present?

Yes, if you had a time machine what would you do with it? Go and see
historic
events which you already know about or go an see the future?

>He couldn't very well hear of Superman before he existed, unless some other
>time travelers were around.
>
>I understand, though, that you're saying that Wells heard of Superman, but
then
>what? It seems like you're suggesting that Wells herd of Superman, then
>wondered what if he had been raised by "a good childless god-fearing [?]
>couple," and what? Decided to play God with Superman's upbringing?

What did HG Wells say to Alt-Clark before he left? I think you'll find
the answer there.

>So who do
>you propose raised Superman the first time, before Wells intervened?
>
Orphanages and Circus people.

>From the HG Wells we've been introduced to on the show, this doesn't seem
to be
>in character.

Do you know why they picked HG Wells and didn't just make up some
other time traveler character? Someone post HG Wells' biography.

>Sure, he did change the course of history, but it doesn't seem
>that he did it as an oh,-what-the-heck kind of experiment like you're
>suggesting. He changed the past to right a wrong he'd created. Yes, he did
>bring Tempus to the past, and that was pretty lame-brained, but I don't
think
>he intended that action to change history. When it did, he was forced to
>clean up his mess, and that brought him to Lois and Clark. (In fact we
would
>never have met Wells if he hadn't brought Tempus to the past because
righting
>TEmpus's wrongs was always the reason Wells showed up.)
>

Okay, if bringing Tempus into the past wasn't on purpose,
then how do you think that Clark ended up with the Kents
in the original timeline? Schuster found the baby and
took it to them since they were childless?

>Finally (and I know this is picking on a small point of your post, but...)
why
>I understand that you're giving Wells credit for Lois and clark's mythic
bond,
>and for Utopia, but what I don't understand is why Wells would have
decided to
>chose Martha and Jonathan Kent (of all the "good childless god-fearing"

How many childless couples do you think were in Smallville in 1966? I'm
not saying that Fate had no part to play, just that HG Wells played the
major role. (Why childless? For the secrecy obviously and special attention
that an only child gets.)

>(that
>brings up another point: why god-fearing?) couples in the world to raise
this
>"circus strongman" from the future?
>

What are you agnostic? Okay, "higher-power fearing" is that better?

Because, "power corrupts, etc." in the previous timeline he was in a circus
which is basically exploitive of the people and the animals. The Kents kept
Clark grounded and away from people who would exploit his powers for their
gain or dissect him like a frog.

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<< Since when is the cape bullet proof? >>

<<<I would say it's only bullet proof when it's close enough to Clark's
body to be included within his aura.>>>

Yes but Superman was spreading his cape out like wings to protect Jack &
Jimmy Olsen.  Isn't it said in a least one episode that  Clark's aura
extends only a few milimeters from his skin?  I believe Clark mentions it
in DTOSC, when his suits are destoyed by the Lakes/AKA Bad Brain
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At 07:25 PM 7/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>  Even in Ordinary People, he's reading Men
>> are from Mars Woman are from Venus
> When in the episode does this happen?
>

When Lois and Clark are on the beach; Lois is napping on Clark's
shoulder and he is reading the book, then the tiger comes out.

Gary
"The tiger ran away?"
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Another nitpick of the series as a whole: Has anyone else noticed that
the paper announcing the fruitfly spraying , originally in PML, showed
up in several more episodes that season and I think, the next?
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At 05:45 PM 7/28/98 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>So who do
>>you propose raised Superman the first time, before Wells intervened?
>>
>Orphanages and Circus people.
>
>Okay, if bringing Tempus into the past wasn't on purpose,
>then how do you think that Clark ended up with the Kents
>in the original timeline? Schuster found the baby and
>took it to them since they were childless?

This is the opposite of what I think happened:  that Clark was always raised
by the Kents because he always went back to play meteorite to attract their
attention.  Wells and Tempus just happened to be the triggering agents that
caused Clark to go back to May 1966.  Knowing Tempus's love of irony, I was
pointing out that God/destiny/TPTB<g> had arranged for Tempus to be the
moving force in a sequence of events that led to Clark being raised by the
Kents and so becoming the person who could inspire the Utopia that Tempus
hated so much.

It's even more ironic when you consider that Alt-Clark, who would never have
inspired Utopia as the hag-ridden fiance of Lana Lang, met with Lois Lane
and became Superman, thanks once again to . . . Tempus.   Once AC
finds/found(?) his own Lois, he, too, can/will become the progenitor of
Utopia.  I hope the thought keeps Tempus awake at night <g>.

Sheila
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At 08:43 AM 7/28/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>If anyone should have been arrested, it was Lois, for warning Nor about
>the attack.  If more cities had been destroyed, or people killed, it
>would have been *her* fault.  I'll bet Cash was arrested for letting her
>out of the Daily Planet building to warn Nor, rather than using the
>Kryptonite gas.
>
>
And for sexual assault, which is what a man would be charged with if
he kneed a woman in the crotch.

Gary
still a MWWPTHTHKHITC

sorry for not comboing...

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In a message dated 98-07-28 08:05:41 EDT, you write:

<< You mean like Colin Powell or John Shalikashvili or whoever is the
 current Chair of the JCS?  (We haven't had a war lately to remind me.)
  >>

Gosh, Colin Powell got famous for commanding 6 men and four assault
vehicles?
Talk about the power of the press<g>

>>>Oh, I see.  So, the highest level officer who would be in charge of
military operations in the event of an alien invasion of Earth would be
a Colonel.  Aw, that sounds about right.<<<

Actually if only a squad attacked (and that group wasn't even really enough
to
be a squad ) then a staff sergeant or corporal would be in charge  ;)  A
general commands a regiment usually, and I'll try and get the order correct,
a
regiment is comprised of two or more battalions, a batallion is comprised of
two or more companies, a company is comprised of two or more platoons, a
platoon is comprised of two or more squads and a royal flush beats
everything
;)

>>>I guess the writers of BE were reading Stephen Ambrose's "Citizen
Soldiers," <<<

Could be. His name was Ambrose Cash ;)

>>>No, I didn't miss that, although in BE it's Zara who says it.<<<

Watch both parts, Jimmy says it first<g> Zara is the one who mentions that
it
is there to give Kal-El time. The other purpose of the ban is for
negotiating
with the Kryptonians.

>>>In any
case, the forces did stand down and then Jen-Mei comes back to
Metropolis and reports that the Earth is now being annexed to NK. (I'm
assuming that he also mentioned that Kal-El was arrested and was being
tried -- which he was.)  The Colonel attempts to call the Pentagon as
you say, and Perry stops him.  Now, where exactly does Perry stand in
the military chain of command?  (Hey, we're taking the Ambrose dictum a
bit too far here.)<<<

You mean Perry ordered Cash not to phone the Pentagon?<g>

>>>In any case, we have no idea what the Pentagon told the Colonel to do at
that point under the changing circumstances.  None.<<<

Logic would dictate that if he got arrested, the Pentagon didn't tell him to
do what he ended up doing, no? ;)

>>>Well, here's where things get murky.  The kryptonite was stolen from
Star Labs way before this. I could never buy the explanation that Col.
Cash ordered the kryptonite stolen and made into a weapon all by his
lonesome.  No.  However, *when* he used it was probably was at issue.<<<

Exactly.

>>>>But even there, we don't know whether he was told to use his own
judgment based upon the outcome of events in Metropolis as it was being
destroyed -- which goes way beyond the original orders and plans
involving Smallville.  One can only think that Kal-El's little attempt
to save the planet might not be working ... and it wasn't.  What else
was the military to think?<<<<

Makes me think of the Bedford Incident. "I won't fire one until he fires
one."
"Aye, aye, sir! Firing number one ASROC." (anti sub rocket) Cool mushroom
cloud though<g>

If we go by the timeframe from the episode, you mention where Jen-Mai
annexes
Metropolis, and there's also the Kryptonians running amok in the streets of
Metoropolis. If Cash were going to take action under his own authority, why
not at that point?  Nor and just about all of his men were right there.  The
military already had the Kryptonite, heck, that went missing way back when
Clark asked for the specimen and Klein discovered it had been removed from
the
vault.  If we assume Cash had the Kryptonite ready to go the instant he was
going to call the Pentagon, then he had the means to attack the Kryptonians
right then and there when most of them were accessable.

By waiting for Superman to show up, it did seem as if he wanted to get
Superman in the mix as well.   Why attack four Kryptonians (one of which was
Superman) when he could have attacked at least a dozen of them easily? That
is
if your argument is that Cash did the right thing by disobeying orders.  Why
not disobey them when it would have been a more logical, defensable moment
when actual citizens of Earth were being chased, injured, fires were
breaking
out, etc.?  By waiting until only Nor and two of his men were accessable,
that
meant several of them would be able to retaliate.  Cash 'assumed' that by
taking out Nor, his followers would cave. He must not have seen Errand of
Mercy  (for every Klingon killed, a thousand Organians will die)  That
seemed
like a stupid strategic move on Cash's part to me.

>>>I think it a little disingenuous to jump from the people and events in
GGGoH to the people and events in BE and call them the same.<<<

Well, you said that mankind should defend itself from invasion.  Didn't
Trask
think that Superman was nothing more than a prelude to invasion?  Someone to
soften up the people of Earth and then lower the boom?  His thinking might
have been influenced by the Twilight Zone episode 'To Serve Man'  though<g>

>>>Oh! So, I should have qualified my remarks, long ago, with the
observation that Clark was being cheap in a *cute* way, hmmm?  Well,
after the IRC Tutorials are completed, we'll start a new round of
classes:  How to say potentially offensive things the Zoom way.  Ha!
Now *that's* cute.<<<

I'd say don't tamper with perfection.  If you have offensiveness down to an
art already, don't go changin' to try and please me ... it's almost lyrical
;)
Nothing succeeds like success<g>

Genevieve wrote:

>>First of all, I'd guess that about 48 hours had passed since the UN
declared the truce.<<<

Is that Eastern time, or Central time?<g>  Since Kal-El would be in Kansas,
is
that the time zone they were basing the 48 hours on?  If it was high noon in
Meropolis, wouldn't it  be 11 am in Kansas and another hour to go? If this
is
Belgium, does that mean it's Tuesday?<g>

>>>Thirdly, I doubt that Cash was acting alone.  (If he was, I demand a
high-level investigation into ineptitute and stupidity at the
Pentagon!)  <<<

By gum that's how I feel about Trask<g>  That guy was definitely a renegade,
no doubt about it.  He killed George Thompson the government ombudman who
was
there to shut the lid on Trask by order of the director of the bureau.
However, the next episode we see Trask, he has enough money to employ dozens
of men, uniform them, equip them with firearms, buy military vehicles, lease
earth-moving equipment, hire a phony EPA spokesperson and book passage for
everybody to and from Smallville all without goverment/military funding.
Did
the guy have a drug empire on the side?<g>

>>>A mere field colonel isn't
going to know the codes to Star Lab's safe -- someone higher up (the
NIA?) had to have broken in to Star Labs, a Research and Development Lab<<<

It wasn't suggested by me (or anyone else that I can think of) that Cash got
the Kryptonite initially.  The suggestion is he was the one who used it
without having orders to do so.  I have no doubt the military took it, and
I'm
surprised they were that clever, but Cash was the one who ended up with
control of it.

>>>The New Krypton fiasco was
foreseeable, and the Pentagon should have had some contingency plans.<<<

They did, but Rachel killed Trask and so his first strike heroism goes
unmourned ;)

>>>>But the military
had had the codes to Dr. Klein's vault from the beginning -- back from
when Superman was an unknown commodity.  <<<

Um, they did?  When was this mentioned?

>>>It makes a lot of sense that
the military would make use of those 48 hours developing a
Kryptonite-based weapon. It also makes sense that they would use it to
kill Nor on the streets of Metropolis.  As Cash said once they took Nor
down, his followers would cave in.  It was obvious that the New
Kryptonians were deeply divided over Nor's actions.<<<<

If that was his idea of good tactics, why didn't he employ that strategy
when
Nor, his advisors and his goon platoon were all on the street in front of
the
Daily Planet?  Why take out only three of them?  Nor's bunch was *not*
divided, but the council of elders was divided.   His followers didn't cave,
but once Nor cheated at the duel, I have this eerie feeling the council of
elders was no longer divided it<g>

>>If anyone should have been arrested, it was Lois, for warning Nor about
the attack.  If more cities had been destroyed, or people killed, it
would have been *her* fault.  I'll bet Cash was arrested for letting her
out of the Daily Planet building to warn Nor, rather than using the
Kryptonite gas.<<<<

Whew, that's a relief, I knew it would end up being Lois's fault somewhere
along the line<g>

>>>I've always preferred the term "thrify."  Being thrifty is a virtue;
being cheap a character fault.<<<

Yup, wouldn't want Clark to have a character fault ;)  Those belong to Lois,
that traitor to her planet and species ;)

Zoomway@aol.com (I wouldn't cite Lois for sexual harrassment though since it
would have to be proved Cash did in fact have a ... harrassable element.
This
might require tweezers, so be prepared ;)
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At 05:15 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>This is the opposite of what I think happened:  that Clark was always
raised
>by the Kents because he always went back to play meteorite to attract their
>attention.

So you believe in the string theory of time? In other words time is only
linear in as much as we perceive it to be so. Just like the earth appears
to be flat, but really isn't... Time travel creates a loop in time and
causes a permanent non-linearity, which requires no boot-strapping.

I think I'll quote Einstein, "God does not play dice with the universe."

>Wells and Tempus just happened to be the triggering agents that
>caused Clark to go back to May 1966.

And Krypton just happened to blow up,
the K-Files, the truth is out there...

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At 04:35 PM 7/28/98 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-27 18:41:03 EDT, you write:
>
><< Good. Now can you describe the Romeo & Juliet type plot? >>
>Geeeeez! You want everything!
>Okona was a go-between for two kids from separate races who were at war
with
>each other. She or he gave the jewel to the other by way of Okona and he
was
>caught with it. Peace was made and everyone lived happily ever after.
>
>Marie
>

Good. Okay BONUS ROUND!

What else occured in that episode that is L&C related?
(Hint:It is a joke.)

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In a message dated 98-07-28 18:45:36 EDT, you write:

<< I think I'll quote Einstein, "God does not play dice with the universe."
>>

Yeah, but he got the "I before E" rule wrong twice in his name<G>

Zoomway@aol.com (don't go into the time machine sales business, there's no
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At 06:43 PM 7/28/98 -0400, Gary wrote:
>So you believe in the string theory of time? In other words time is only
>linear in as much as we perceive it to be so. Just like the earth appears
>to be flat, but really isn't... Time travel creates a loop in time and
>causes a permanent non-linearity, which requires no boot-strapping.
>
>I think I'll quote Einstein, "God does not play dice with the universe."
>
>>Wells and Tempus just happened to be the triggering agents that
>>caused Clark to go back to May 1966.
>
>And Krypton just happened to blow up,
>the K-Files, the truth is out there...

Ah, but, Gary, you're confusing cause and effect here.  I've only discussed
effect, which is all that humans with limited senses and perspective can
see.  I haven't said anything about what or who "caused" any of these
effects.  From our perspective, Krypton just happened to blow up and a
29-year-old Clark Kent just happened to be hanging out in Smallville, KS in
1966, just in time to alert his parents to his arrival on Earth as an
infant.  Since the show never got into discussion of Prime Movers (that
isn't right, is it?  Thomas Aquinas discussed this and I can't remember the
term he used), I think a discussion of that is outside the purview of this
list, so I'll leave the causative agent as TPTB.

Sheila
(LOL!  Bet ERL & BB never thought they'd be referred to as stand-ins for
God!  Singer, though, that's a different story <g>)
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> >>>Oh! So, I should have qualified my remarks, long ago, with the
> observation that Clark was being cheap in a *cute* way, hmmm?  Well,
> after the IRC Tutorials are completed, we'll start a new round of
> classes:  How to say potentially offensive things the Zoom way.  Ha!
> Now *that's* cute.<<<
>
> I'd say don't tamper with perfection.  If you have offensiveness down to
an
> art already, don't go changin' to try and please me ... it's almost
lyrical ;)
> Nothing succeeds like success<g>

Offensiveness down to an art....  Thank you.

Sandy
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< Yes, if you had a time machine what would you do with it? Go and see
historic events which you already know about or go an see the future? >

Actually, I'd probably do both. I always thought it would be interesting
to meet my parents and grandparents when they were my age. But, what I
was pointing out what that, from what you said, the fact that Wells went
to the future *before* hearing about Superman wasn't clear.

<< It seems like you're suggesting that Wells herd of Superman, then
wondered what if he had been raised by "a good childless god-fearing [?]
couple," and what? Decided to play God with Superman's upbringing? >>

< What did HG Wells say to Alt-Clark before he left? I think you'll find
the answer there. >

Since my episode tapes are at home & I'm at school (and Lois and Clarks
doesn't happen to be one of the scripts I have), I'll leave it to
someone else to tell us *exactly* what Wells said to Alt Clark. But even
if he was experimenting with the past with Alt Clark, he was doing so
with the life of an adult. We were left with the feeling that Alt Clark
would understand what Wells meant at the end of LaCs, and that either
Wells (either alone or with Alt Clark) would go and find Alt Lois.
Actually, the idea of them finding Alt Lois bothers me just a little,
so, while trying to write a completely different fanfic, I've tried to
put down ideas for one about the Alt Lois, too. And, let me tell you,
it's really difficult to jump from writing about the 50s & 60s (my other
story) to writing about an alternate universe. <g>

BTW, the "name" Alt Clark has always bothered me as well. Like he's not
really Clark, or something, like he's less. I know that the "Alt"
distinction is needed for clarity, but if Alt Clark heard it, it'd
probably give him an inferiority complex.

<< From the HG Wells we've been introduced to on the show, this doesn't
seem to be in character.>>

< Do you know why they picked HG Wells and didn't just make up some
other time traveler character? Someone post HG Wells' biography. >

Maybe they should, because, besides knowing Wells was a fiction writer,
I know very little else about him. I looked his biography up on Encarta
CD rom encyclopedia, and it didn't give me much insight. But this
doesn't really have anything to do with my point. I don't believe that
the *character* of HG Wells that we were introduced to by the show would
take an innocent infant (no matter what his potential was, because
potential was all Clark had at that point) and decide that he wanted to
see what this infant would be like if he'd been raised by a two very
specific parents. Yes, Wells made mistakes that caused problems with the
past, and hefixed those mistakes, but I don't think that there's
anything in the show that would suggest or give foundation to the idea
that Wells was the one who "gave" Clark to the Kents.

<< Yes, he did bring Tempus to the past, and that was pretty
lame-brained, but I don't think he intended that action to change
history. When it did, he was forced to clean up his mess, and that
brought him to Lois and Clark. (In fact we would never have met Wells if
he hadn't brought Tempus to the past because righting TEmpus's wrongs
was always the reason Wells showed up.) >>

< Okay, if bringing Tempus into the past wasn't on purpose, then how do
you think that Clark ended up with the Kents in the original timeline?
Schuster found the baby and took it to them since they were childless? >

>From what the show has told us, Wells *did* bring Tempus into the past
on purpose; I never disputed that. I simply said that I don't think
Wells knew what he was doing when he did that. Although I do like the
idea (that, I think, was posted by Sheila) that Tempus started Utopia in
both "our" world & the alt world.

As for how the Kents got Clark in the original timeline, well, I always
thought it was a continuity glich. <g> Those certainly happen often
enough in the show. It'd make an interesting fanfic. Perhaps M&J
would've been driving past Schuster's Field and really seen the
spaceship land if Lois & Clark hadn't
shown up on their doorstep and detained them. Or perhaps M&J lied to
Clark about how they found him, and I'm sure they'd have to have a
pretty good excuse to lie to him even after all these years. Maybe their
memories were rusty. (With the continuity problems the show has, they
wouldn't be the only ones.)

< How many childless couples do you think were in Smallville in 1966?
I'm not saying that Fate had no part to play, just that HG Wells played
the major role. (Why childless? For the secrecy obviously and special
attention that an only child gets.) >

Who said anything about Smallville? If you continue my sentence, I
finished with "in the world," where childless couples abound. With a
time machine (and normal transportation), Wells could've chosen a couple
from anywhere. If he was already "experimenting" with history, why not
try some famous couple? Sure, M&J seem like nearly ideal parents, but,
if you had to chose from every couple in the world, why would Wells pick
them?

I wasn't contesting the "childless" part, but as long as you brought it
up... You mention the secrecy: Clark could've been an oldest whose
younger siblings were never told of his origin. Or a much-youngest whose
older siblings were already grown and out of the house. Then you mention
the special attention that an only child gets: what about the fact that
some only children have a hard
time relating to their peer group since they're so used to adults. (And
note that I said "some," not "all," so no one has to answer that they're
a perfectly well-adjusted only child.)

If I were HG Wells and I were actually doing what Gary suggested Wells
could've or might've, I would have chosen a childless couple like M&J
because they so wanted a child and couldn't have their own. Infertility
is a horrible, heart-breaking thing. M&J were born to be parents, but
couldn't conceive, and this is what I would've used as a deciding
factor, not anything to do with secrecy or special attention.

>> (that brings up another point: why god-fearing?) couples in the world
to raise this "circus strongman" from the future? >>

> What are you agnostic? Okay, "higher-power fearing" is that better? >

Personally, I don't see what my religious beliefs have to do with
anything (though I'm not an agnostic, if you must know). But my point
was that I don't remember their being any reference in the show (but
maybe someone can prove me wrong about this) that M&J were religious. Or
believed in one singular god, or feared that god, for that matter. I was
just surprised by the adjective. (And, BTW, an agnostic would not think
"higher-power fearing" is any better than "god-fearing" since
agnosticism is the doctrine that the existence of God or any other
spiritual beings is neither certain or impossible.)

-Christy (who knows someone who says "goddess knows" instead of "god
knows" ;)
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In a message dated 98-07-27 22:46:23 EDT, you write:

<< Granted he has a lot of advantages, but his natural
 attitude is to be frugal, which is to be expected from the son of a farmer.
>>

Sooooo.... since he can take a lump of coal and turn it into a diamond, is
it
just trying to live like a human being without super powers that's keeping
him
poor.... er, financially challenged?
Marie
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At 05:44 AM 7/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-27 22:46:06 EDT, gwalde14@MINDSPRING.COM writes:
>
><< Not once during the episode does Superman seem
> embarrassed by being smaller. >>
>
>
>Oh? I thought that was exactly why he didn't want Lois to see him "looking
>like Mighty Mouse."

I can see why you might think so, but I didn't read it that way.  It was a
funny line, and I'm sure the joke was irresistible to the writers, and out
of context it could seem he was upset by how he looked.  I said in another
post that Clark/Superman has an ego and can be touched in his vanity, but
not in this case.  I thought he was primarily concerned with how they were
being separated by the shrinking, just as in BY, Lois was concerned by
their being separated by the aging differences.

Georgia

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And just think, this episode airs again tomorrow night on TNT so
everyone can decide for themselves.

However, I'm rather confused by Zoomway's reply to my post....

The Zoomway wrote:
>
> Genevieve wrote:
>
> >>First of all, I'd guess that about 48 hours had passed since the UN
> declared the truce.<<<
>
> Is that Eastern time, or Central time?<g>  Since Kal-El would be in
Kansas, is
> that the time zone they were basing the 48 hours on?  If it was high noon
in
> Meropolis, wouldn't it  be 11 am in Kansas and another hour to go? If this
is
> Belgium, does that mean it's Tuesday?<g>

Two <g> in one paragraph.  And that paragraph is muddying the waters
considerably, I think.  Does my analysis of the time frame from BE hold
up or not?  Or are you trying to imply that I'm being pedantic, and it
doesn't matter whether the truce was still in effect or not?  In which
case I would ask why you brought up the 48 hour truce in your first
post?

>
> >>>Thirdly, I doubt that Cash was acting alone.  (If he was, I demand a
> high-level investigation into ineptitute and stupidity at the
> Pentagon!)  <<<
>
> By gum that's how I feel about Trask<g>

I'm not sure what Trask has to do with out conversation about Col. Cash;
you seem to insist on comparing the two.  Trask was operating when there
was no threat, Cash was operating in a time of war.  And, for what it's
worth, Yes, I also suspect that Trash had off-the-record official
backing of some sort.

> >>>A mere field colonel isn't
> going to know the codes to Star Lab's safe -- someone higher up (the
> NIA?) had to have broken in to Star Labs, a Research and Development
Lab<<<
>
> It wasn't suggested by me (or anyone else that I can think of) that Cash
got
> the Kryptonite initially.  The suggestion is he was the one who used it
> without having orders to do so.  I have no doubt the military took it, and
I'm
> surprised they were that clever, but Cash was the one who ended up with
> control of it.

Absolutely -- Cash was the one in Metropolis (and the only member of the
military BB/ERL hired for the episode).  And I like to think he did have
orders to use the kryptonite.

>
> >>>The New Krypton fiasco was
> foreseeable, and the Pentagon should have had some contingency plans.<<<
>
> They did, but Rachel killed Trask and so his first strike heroism goes
> unmourned ;)

Again, I don't understand what Trask has to do with it.  Trask has been
dead for at least three years by now.  And Cash was operating in a time
of war, Trask during peacetime.

>
> >>>>But the military
> had had the codes to Dr. Klein's vault from the beginning -- back from
> when Superman was an unknown commodity.  <<<
>
> Um, they did?  When was this mentioned?

It's in my copy of the script.  Lois gets the call from Dr. Klein and
then...

LOIS: Perry, did you ever hear a rumor that when Kryptonite was first
deposited at Star Labs, the government insisted the military also be
given the access codes?

PERRY: I recall there was some fear that Superman, who was pretty much
an oddity at the time, might go berserk and use his superpowers against
us.  The military wanted assurances they could stop him.

Shows a great deal of common sense on the part of the military, IMO.

I said:
> >>>It makes a lot of sense that
> the military would make use of those 48 hours developing a
> Kryptonite-based weapon. It also makes sense that they would use it to
> kill Nor on the streets of Metropolis.  As Cash said once they took Nor
> down, his followers would cave in.  It was obvious that the New
> Kryptonians were deeply divided over Nor's actions.<<<<
>
Zoom answered:
> If that was his idea of good tactics, why didn't he employ that strategy
when
> Nor, his advisors and his goon platoon were all on the street in front of
the
> Daily Planet?  Why take out only three of them?  Nor's bunch was *not*
> divided, but the council of elders was divided.   His followers didn't
cave,
> but once Nor cheated at the duel, I have this eerie feeling the council of
> elders was no longer divided it<g>

I must have forgotten they all stood out on the street talking earlier.
However, we don't know when Cash was given the Kyrptonite Gas.  Also,
everyone knew Nor would be in the street at High Noon, so the military
could prepare.  That may not have been possible earlier.

And whether it was good tactics or not is not at issue.  I believe that
Cash was given orders *by his superiors* to use the gas during the
duel.  I would hope his orders went something like this:

1.  If at any time you get a chance to kill Nor, without endangering
Superman, take it!
2.  If it appears that Superman is losing the duel, use the gas, even if
it endangers
    Superman.
3.  Under no circumstances, permit Nor to walk away from the duel the
victor.

>
> >>If anyone should have been arrested, it was Lois, for warning Nor about
> the attack.  If more cities had been destroyed, or people killed, it
> would have been *her* fault.  I'll bet Cash was arrested for letting her
> out of the Daily Planet building to warn Nor, rather than using the
> Kryptonite gas.<<<<
>
> Whew, that's a relief, I knew it would end up being Lois's fault somewhere
> along the line<g>

I don't understand the <g>, or what you mean here.  Are you being
sarcastic?  I must be missing something.

And for the record, I don't think it was Lois's fault; that's not what
I'm trying to say at all.  She was putting the well-being of her fiancee
above the well-being of the planet, and that's understandable, if not
heroic.

>
> >>>I've always preferred the term "thrify."  Being thrifty is a virtue;
> being cheap a character fault.<<<
>
> Yup, wouldn't want Clark to have a character fault ;)  Those belong to
Lois,
> that traitor to her planet and species ;)
>

;) is what -- a grin and a wink?  Does that mean you are being sarcastic
again?  I'm confused.  And Clark has plenty of character faults, what
makes you think he doesn't?  And a "traitor" is someone who deliberatly
betrays the trust of another, not someone who might do something in an
emotional moment that they would regret later.  I think calling Lois a
"traitor" is going a bit too far, don't you?

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progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)
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At 08:46 PM 7/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>< Yes, if you had a time machine what would you do with it? Go and see
>historic events which you already know about or go an see the future? >
>
>Actually, I'd probably do both. I always thought it would be interesting
>to meet my parents and grandparents when they were my age. But, what I
>was pointing out what that, from what you said, the fact that Wells went
>to the future *before* hearing about Superman wasn't clear.
>

I said "heard about some circus strongman in the future" I believe
the "in the future" clause modifies all preceding clauses.

><< It seems like you're suggesting that Wells herd of Superman, then
>wondered what if he had been raised by "a good childless god-fearing [?]
>couple," and what? Decided to play God with Superman's upbringing? >>
>
>< What did HG Wells say to Alt-Clark before he left? I think you'll find
>the answer there. >
>
>Since my episode tapes are at home & I'm at school (and Lois and Clarks
>doesn't happen to be one of the scripts I have), I'll leave it to
>someone else to tell us *exactly* what Wells said to Alt Clark.

Sorry, I wasn't specific. I meant what HG says at the end of TA.

><< From the HG Wells we've been introduced to on the show, this doesn't
>seem to be in character.>>
>
>< Do you know why they picked HG Wells and didn't just make up some
>other time traveler character? Someone post HG Wells' biography. >
>

What was with that sly smile and laughing while checking his watch?

>
>From what the show has told us, Wells *did* bring Tempus into the past
>on purpose;

Yes, to meet HG Wells friends, uh, why didn't HG brings his friends to
Tempus' Utopia instead, wouldn't these alleged friends of HG have liked
to see Utopia? Yes, but that wasn't the point, because HG was lying
through his teeth about it.

> I never disputed that. I simply said that I don't think
>Wells knew what he was doing when he did that. Although I do like the
>idea (that, I think, was posted by Sheila) that Tempus started Utopia in
>both "our" world & the alt world.
>

> (With the continuity problems the show has, they
>wouldn't be the only ones.)
>

Except time travel obfuscates continuity...

>< How many childless couples do you think were in Smallville in 1966?
>I'm not saying that Fate had no part to play, just that HG Wells played
>the major role. (Why childless? For the secrecy obviously and special
>attention that an only child gets.) >
>
>Who said anything about Smallville?

I guess Jor-El did in the message from the globe ;-)

> Then you mention
>the special attention that an only child gets: what about the fact that
>some only children have a hard
>time relating to their peer group since they're so used to adults. (And
>note that I said "some," not "all," so no one has to answer that they're
>a perfectly well-adjusted only child.)
>

Sounds like another benefit, not a detriment. More maturity is good, No?
Utopian society how to get there? Well for one read my signature quote
below and I quote Genevieve's quote:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)

The unreasonable man sounds like an only child who can't get along
with his peers, don't you think?

>If I were HG Wells and I were actually doing what Gary suggested Wells
>could've or might've, I would have chosen a childless couple like M&J
>because they so wanted a child and couldn't have their own. Infertility
>is a horrible, heart-breaking thing. M&J were born to be parents, but
>couldn't conceive, and this is what I would've used as a deciding
>factor, not anything to do with secrecy or special attention.
>

All good and true but how was HG supposed to know that unless he
gives them a child to raise?

>>> (that brings up another point: why god-fearing?) couples in the world
>to raise this "circus strongman" from the future? >>
>
>> What are you agnostic? Okay, "higher-power fearing" is that better? >
>
>Personally, I don't see what my religious beliefs have to do with
>anything (though I'm not an agnostic, if you must know). But my point
>was that I don't remember their being any reference in the show (but
>maybe someone can prove me wrong about this) that M&J were religious. Or

They said they marched for civil rights, last time I
checked Martin Luther King Jr. was a minister. Contrary
to popular belief the civil rights movement in the 60s
was a religious movement. If MLK had been a ditch
digger, well I think you can figure the rest...

>believed in one singular god, or feared that god, for that matter. I was
>just surprised by the adjective.

It's an idiom. (Do you know the etymology of that idiom? ;-)

(god-fearing=not criminals)

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