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In a message dated 7/14/98 10:18:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
MGALVEZ@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU writes:

<<
 Can I get the soulmate chronicles in the LnC gateway fan archive?  I would
love to read this but I don't have the time & space to do it now.

         Thanks,  Mercedes
  >>

It is in the process of being edited now for the Archive.   Look for it
soon.
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Thank you all, I hardly knew what I meant to ask when I posted the question,
but I got "answer" beyond my expectation <g>. I love the ebb and flow of the
discussions here. Always educational, and always highly entertaining!

And Leanne Shawler wrote:

>No, no!!! I'm not ready to write a Vorkosigan/L&C crossover ... please!! I
>mean, *who* would babble more? Lois or Miles????

Not ready? Does that mean you may be, at some time in the future? (anyone...
anyone? please?)

I think that Miles would drive Lois seriously nuts... he can match her in
freneticism on any day, and I think he'd have the answers before she did.
Not to mention, she belongs to that physical type (tall, cool brunettes)
that he's usually helplessly attacted to. <g> Hmm, maybe not so much anymore
(with that breathtaking scene at the end of Komarr).

>PS. Hey and Miles has a secret identity too ...

Yeah, and I think that Clark would understand "Vor" very well indeed.

Leanne.
(struggling to tamp down a mind-image of HG Wells materialising during
ImpWed and getting fast-penta'd within an inch of his life, LOL)

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Leanne Genn
[lgenn@powerup.com.au]
One Big Joke: <http://www.powerup.com.au/~lgenn/>

For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them
in our turn? -- Jane Austen, "Pride and Prejudice"
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I was just informed that my mail program -- which is quickly giving me more
gray hairs than I have already -- is making my messages appear as
gobbley-gook in digest, as well as in the archive.  (It seems html was
turned on in my program rather than plain text.)  If anyone has received an
incomprehensible message of mine -- I mean, beyond content<g> -- *and* you
*really* want to read it, let me know and I'll send it again to you
individually.  I suppose there's no need to resend the message to the entire
list.  The archived message will just have to be left as a mess.

Sandy -- extremely pissed, but trying to have a nice day nonetheless.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:31:08 -0800
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Sandra writes:

>  I would never have written a word without the Lois and  Clark list --
>without the support system as well as a desire to show my stuff  amongst a
>group of people who I grew to care about.  I've watched other TV  shows
>before which captured my attention as much as L&C has, but I never did  a
>thing about it.  The difference for me was the list, the interaction, the
>need to test my abilities against others.  It was more about me and the
>list, than about the show.   It was more about watching something in
>tandem with others than just simply watching something I liked.  After
>all,  I can honestly say that L&C isn't the best thing I've seen on TV,
>but its  the only show I watched and discussed and debated with hundreds
>of others every  week.  If I had done the same with House of Elliott or
>Poldark, or the  Buccaneers, or whatever, perhaps I would have written
>fanfic about them as  well.   I think doing something just for oneself is
>fine, but, without  the ability to share it with people who are open to
>accepting it -- or you --  it's rather empty. <

Methinks Sandra's on to something here.

I have to admit the first fanfic I wrote had an audience (actually, I never
realy thought about writing Les Mis fic, until I signed up for "The
Barricade" newsletter.)

The rest of the time it was like ... you'd make up a story in your head,
dream about it in those hours before sleeping and never really do anything
about it. I once wrote a story outline that was loosely linked to "Family
Ties" but I never wrote it out and frankly, it's incomprehensible now (and
it's even typed!)

Now that I've discovered there's a Big Valley fandom out there, I'm
actually dusting off an old story (of which I remembered but one scene) and
recreating an outline for it, which I *may* write out and it'll be a bloody
epic when I do ... and *even* joining in on a round robin. (Leanne passes
around the smelling salts)

Looking at the stuff I've written: there's my Celtic/Arthurian novel
(currently stalled, I want to do an excellent job at that one), my Regency
Romance (in rewrite, and inspired by a dreadful B. Cartland movie -- I
guess I have to thank BC for getting me into the whole Regency thing ...
I've devoured Heyer etc ever since!), my incomplete Three Musketeers fic
(pure "Mary Sue" and only one or two people have seen it, hey I may finish
it), and a rewrite (completed) of "Hamlet" from Ophelia's point of view
(written after seeing the Branagh film, which was brilliant but revitalised
my high school complaints of Shakey doing poorly by the women).

Hmm, maybe I wrote more fanfic (in a way) than I thought!

So --  community has a lot to do with getting your fanfic stories
"published." Or even writing a story to share with a single like-minded
friend. But it seems that sometimes I write anyway.

Gotta go to work!!!

Leanne

Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com)
Web Design: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/design/webdesign.html
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Date:         Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:38:10 -0400
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>> (struggling to tamp down a mind-image of HG Wells materialising during=

ImpWed and getting fast-penta'd within an inch of his life, LOL) <<

ROFL, Leanne, don't do that to me... <g>

["But what about Utopia?" the strange little man wailed.

What the heck? Miles wondered, slanting an inquiring glance towards
Galeni, who had once majored in history.  =

His eyebrows had risen in surprise.  "A short-lived period in Earth
history," the head of Komarran affairs explained rapidly.  "Universal
peace, but with very little technical advance.  The discovery of the firs=
t
wormholes and the opening of colonization woke them out of their "univers=
al
dream"."

Miles turned back to Wells and shrugged.  "Nothing lasts forever."]

Oh, the crossover possibilities are overwhelming... imagine Lois
getting cooking lessons from Ma Kosti <g>  And I do think that Lois could=

have a very interesting discussion with Cordelia & Ekaterin about the
sacrifices that women should or shouldn't make in a marriage...

But you're right, Miles would drive Lois up a wall... <eg>

I wonder if Superman's superpowers would last, under a Barrayaran sun?

To keep this at least marginally on topic -- did you guys know that
Lois McMaster Bujold started her writing career doing fanfic?  "Shards of=

Honor," her first book, was started as a Star Trek fanfic.  (The Betans
were Starfleet, of course, and the "army-mad Barrayarans" were meant to
be Klingons, I believe) But then she decided to take the story farther an=
d
create a new universe around her characters, and now she's won several Hu=
go
awards... (and I definitely like Aral better as a human than a Klingon
<g>).

PJ
who thinks everyone should read Bujold... <g>

p.s., Leanne G, are you on the Bujold mailing list?

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Sheila wrote: <<Most fans, even fans of plot-driven series like "X-Files,"
write character-driven fanfic--usually with more introspection than action.
 Jenkins had some interesting comments on why this is true, but I'd rather
hear from the rest of you:  why do you write (or read) the *kind* of fanfic
that you do?>>

I have no idea. Seriously, somebody is going to have to tell me what *kind*
of fanfic I write in the context of what is being asked here before I could
even begin to address this one.

Although I do know the answer to the side question to this one about 'to
fix or not to fix' damage done to modern myths. I most definitely write
fanfic to 'fix' what I perceive as things the series leaves out, can't
address or to add things that I'd simply like to see myself. I'm not sure I
can even understand the point of writing fanfic that attempts to stay
strictly within the continuity of the series as presented. Really. This is
just MHO, but why do that? What is the fun in explaining away something
that a) I liked as is or b) I didn't like as is at all?

Anyway I look at it, whenever a 'what if' scenario presents itself to me,
it's to either expand the direction the series took but did not go far
enough or it's to explore an area the series would NEVER touch, not in a
million years. Neither one of those are criticisms of the series, either,
because I respect the limitations of being a one-hour family-oriented
product. In working with what they had to work with, the writers and
producers took L&C farther than I ever thought they would in the first
place. That doesn't mean, however, that I'm not tempted to explore those
other possibilities. Oh, those roads not taken. <vbeg>

OTOH, there is a notable exception to the above. I do see the justification
for the kinds of stories that attempt to expand individual events from
episodes, either actual or referred to, that we aren't necessarily privy to
on screen. That might be fun but the thing is that if I ever attempted to
do one of those, the next thing I knew continuity would go flying right out
the window. It's not exploring the unsaid that I can't handle, it's
sticking to continuity that gives me fits. I just don't think I could start
at point A and end up where the series had point B without taking a major
detour that ends me up in the middle of a completely different storyline
with no way to get back. I'm tempted by too many possibilities and the
sheer frustration alone of not being able to meander away from what the
series did would drive me nuts. Uh-huh, no way. I know my own limits also.

I don't know, did I just answer the original question or not? If it was in
reference to specific stories, then somebody is going to have to ask a
specific question, because every single one of mine is so completely
different I'm not sure how to answer regarding the kinds they are.
Although, maybe that is a description of a kind of story, because I also
tend to like to read the more unusual fanfics. The less like what happened
on the series or in an actual episode the better, which I suppose is why I
have yet to read a single fifth season episode. The characters HAVE to be
true to the series, but not the possibilities explored. Hmmm, maybe there
is an answer buried in there somewhere. <g>

Beverly :-)
P.S. I also have a difficult time thinking of X-Files as plot driven,
because if Fox Mulder wasn't who he was he wouldn't be investigating what
he does in the first place. That series is about as character driven as any
I've EVER seen.
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Okay, I'll jump in here... [Warning: self-indulgent ramble ahead!]

I almost never disagree with Zoomway <g> but on this one, I have to.  I
have never been that interested in sticking with continuity in my fanfic.=
 =

I admire writers who can slide their stories in between eps and have
everything all "fit" but that's simply not a goal of mine.

I write stories that are challenges to myself in one way or another.  I
also liked to write "ahead of the curve", i.e., one step ahead of everyon=
e
else in trends (I just don't like to follow trends).  I wrote a few short=

revelation stories along with everyone else, around the end of the second=

season, but then I started wondering... I was so insistent that the show
could continue once Lois knew "the secret", but how could I demand that
others come up with good stories if I couldn't?  So I started writing "Lo=
is
knows, now what?" stuff. [It's a Surprise]  =

---L&C are gonna want to get married, that ain't gonna be easy
or uncomplicated, so how can we make that a good thing? [Going to the
Chapel]  =

---Once we saw WHALTTA, yay, she knows, but amnesia is certainly in
her future, so how can I make *that* a good thing? [Second Chances]

---I once swore to myself that I'd never write a story where Lois
was pregnant, just because it was such a popular theme, but then I got
hauled into doing Season 5... <g>

I also like putting in twists, and surprising the reader somewhere along
the way... <g> and humor is very important to me... and I think I've lost=

sight of the original question...

I don't usually have fully developed A-plots, just the barest hint of
a premise that I can get away with.  I admire writers who can pull of a
good A-plot, and I'm not as scared of doing them myself as I used to be,
but its not something that really interests me.  I write stories to explo=
re
the characters, to explore a mood [Quiet Night; What Dreams May Come], an=
d
yes, sometimes, to "fix" what I disliked about the original source [Forge=
t
Me Not, Redux].

I do think you can change circumstances in order to shift the
character's reactions, and still maintain the spirit of the characters. =

Granted, some writers take it too far and end up with their own versions,=

but I don't even mind those too much.  To a certain degree, it's all a
matter of interpretation, and as we've seen, interpretation can vary
widely.

PJ
(and all my stories are available on my website <g> in case I've
piqued anyone's curiousity)

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In a message dated 98-07-14 22:36:26 EDT, you write:

<< . Frequently misused homonyms:
 >     a) they're/their/there >>

Oh, thank you Leanne--this is the stuff of editor's nightmares!! :)
--Laurie
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In a message dated 98-07-15 12:39:57 EDT, bbmedos@GEOCITIES.COM writes:

<< P.S. I also have a difficult time thinking of X-Files as plot driven,
 because if Fox Mulder wasn't who he was he wouldn't be investigating what
 he does in the first place. That series is about as character driven as any
 I've EVER seen.
  >>

Woo hoo, my TV job finally comes in handy on fanfic<g>  The X-Files is a
plot-
driven show (also called a quest-driven show)  Other plot (quest)-driven
shows
would be Sliders, Quantum Leap, The Prisoner or The Fugitive. Shows like
Lois
and Clark, Party of 5, Dawson's Creek, Northern Exposure  or Ally McBeal,
are
character-driven shows.   Seeing the lists of both types of shows, it's easy
to see how they differ even fundamentally.

In plot-driven shows, the overriding quest (thematic goal) is what drives
the
hero. Whether it is to find the "truth" that's out there, the one-armed man
and prove his innocence,  set right what once went wrong and make the leap
home, find number one and escape the Village, make the 'slide' back home,
etc.
working toward and trying to achieve that quest/goal is what plot-driven
shows
are all about.  They are also called 'negative premise' shows because the
hero
really can't get what he's striving for, or the show's premise is ended.
That's why the one-armed man is found and confesses in the last episode of
The
Fugitive.

In character-driven shows, it's about the evolution of the characters or
their
relationships.  They can be coming-of-age shows like The Wonder Years or
James
at 15.  Family evolution like The Waltons or Family (hee hee ;)  The
evolution
of a relationship like Lois and Clark or the devolution of one, like
Moonlighting (snicker ;) or the evolution of a town full of people like
Northern Exposure.  However, unlike plot-driven shows, when a goal exists,
it's on a personal level.  Clark wants a job, someone to love, a home a
family, etc. or John-boy wants to become a writer. Since this is not what
all
the characters in these respective series are after (whether good guys or
bad
guys) it remains a struggle on a personal level.

In plot-driven shows, the quest is what all are involved in, again, whether
the good guys or the bad guys, they're all driven by this quest.  The plot
(quest) is what drives them all. Everything of significance that happens to
the hero(es) is because of this overriding quest.  Just thinking of Scully
alone this becomes clear.  She was 'abducted', got cancer, cured of cancer,
'had' a child, the child died, Scully had her ova harvested, her sister was
murdered (and you thought Lois had problems ;) etc.  All of these
events/tragedies are directly connected to the quest plot.  Other than
joining
the FBI, none of these events were a matter of choice for Scully. Geez, who
would choose them anyway<g>  In a character-driven show, a character can get
cancer too, as happened in Party of 5, but no conspiracy or overriding
'quest'
was responsible.

I think the reason that some balk at the term 'plot-driven' is because they
might think in terms of Mission Impossible and assume that a plot-driven
show
can't or doesn't  have compelling or interesting characters, but that's not
the case.  They can and do have interesting characters, and the quest that
sets the theme of the show is often the goal or obsession of the main
character(s).  However, the plot (quest) will always drive and, to an
extent,
control the characters.  In a character-driven show, the characters make
their
own choices regardless of plot for a given episode, and therein lies where
their evolution (or deterioration) as characters takes place.  Clark chose
to
become Superman and Clark chose to go to New Krypton  Lois chose to accept
Clark's request for a date and Lois chose to share her life with Clark.

Both plot-driven and character-driven shows can have many things in common,
but which of the two is predominant in tone, is one of the ways they're
separated. This can also be seen in how rapidly characters can evolve.  In
plot-driven shows evolution of characters is much slower (sometimes it never
seems to happen at all) Even someone totally unfamiliar with Lois and Clark,
however, could be shown several episodes from first season, and then several
>from fourth season and easily notice that some *big* relationship changes
took
place<g>  Conversely someone unfamiliar with X-Files could be shown several
first and fourth season episodes and notice only cursory changes in Scully
and
Mulder's relationship at best.  A rabid fan might disagree, but remember,
I'm
talking non-rabid one-shot viewer here<g>

Characters can change more slowly (or not at all) on plot-driven shows
because
the quest is the overriding element, and if the characters change too much
or
too rapidly, their obsession or dedication to the quest might suffer or
become
sidetracked by other issues and the audience might lose interest.  If a
character-driven show takes too long with the evolution of the characters or
a
relationship, the audience can lose interest through boredom or frustration
(audience dropout first half of L&C's 2nd season) or if the characters (and
thus the audience) are cheated out of a promised advancement (the notorious
non-wedding arc) the damage might be too severe to repair in a manner that
will woo back the disenchanted.

To make a long explanation short, The X-Files is a plot-driven show<g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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In a message dated 98-07-15 10:30:43 EDT, volterra@SD.ZNET.COM writes:

<< Looking at the stuff I've written: there's my Celtic/Arthurian novel
 (currently stalled, I want to do an excellent job at that one), my Regency
 Romance ... >>

Yikes, after seeing Leanne's list, I wondered how many of you fanfic writers
eventually end up with something published that you actually, maybe, got
paid
for... (or maybe some of you will someday and we can all say we knew you
when
;)   )

--Laurie
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who is miles vorkosigan?  what his significance?

Mercedes
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thats why the networks hire many writers.  They each keep each other on
their toes and steer them in the right direction.  Maybe to get from A to B
you could use a co-writer.     --Mercedes
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In a message dated 98-07-15 15:14:34 EDT, you write:

<< I almost never disagree with Zoomway <g> but on this one, I have to >>

You can always disagree with me, but you're still required to patronize my
fruit stand just outside the city limits near the Interstate ;)

>>>I
have never been that interested in sticking with continuity in my fanfic.
I admire writers who can slide their stories in between eps and have
everything all "fit" but that's simply not a goal of mine.<<<

Oddly enough, my 'goal' has little to do with continuity when it comes to
writing. My goal is to write something I hope is entertaining, thought-
provoking or just plain funny ;)  The continuity issue is simply my personal
approach to obtaining the above goal.

>>I write stories that are challenges to myself in one way or another.<<<<

Now this I really don't do.  That is I'm not interested in creating a
personal
challenge for myself.  There are stories that become a challenge by their
nature or subject matter, but for me, writing is a matter of having
something
to say, or a story to tell in a way that I like to tell one.  For example, I
want to write an nfic, not for the challenge of it, but because there's an
issue I wanted to address between Lois and Clark. However it's a *big*
challenge to me because I don't write nfic.  Likely it will end up a none
nfic
nfic<g>  That is the subject matter will remain adult, but there will be no
graphic depictions (sorry about that ;)

>>>I don't usually have fully developed A-plots, just the barest hint of
a premise that I can get away with.  I admire writers who can pull of a
good A-plot, and I'm not as scared of doing them myself as I used to be,
but its not something that really interests me.<<<<

This too I think deals more on approach.  That is, something that works for
each writer as an individual.  Some write an outline first and yet I find it
impossible to create an outline because I never know how my story is going
to
end until I get to the end.  What an A plot does for me is keep a running
sub-
structure to the story. It also, like on the series, places the characters
in
a situation or set of circumstances that they normally wouldn't face
otherwise
and so challenges them on levels that may be atypical.  Nor do I normally do
"villain" plots, and they would be considered more in keeping with the
series,
but I keep them as a shadow most often; a looming threat, but not an
intrusive
one.  Lex was nothing more than a catalyst to the A plot of Counter Clark-
wise, then he had no further function in that story line. Tempus was the
villain in Always Something... , but had an extremely brief appearance in
the
story. I view villains as a cue ball. They set everything in motion, often
violently and abruptly, but after that, let the balls role, and let the
characters call the pocket.

>>>I do think you can change circumstances in order to shift the
character's reactions, and still maintain the spirit of the characters. <<<

I agree this is true, if you mean for example Superman said "I love you too,
Lois" at the end of Barbarians at the Planet, Lois's reaction would have
been
a whole lot different from what we saw<g>  However, this scenario is only
satisfying for me if I can make it work within the parameters of what we
actually saw.  For me personally it's like a little victory and also it's
like
it really happened, or could have really happened, and not become a  "darn,
I
wish it happened that way, too bad it didn't" moment.  I know that last part
sounds confusing, but there's so many ways that writers for Lois and Clark
can
play around with continuity and still have it *be* continuity that I only
get
satisfaction when I can make it work on that level.

That is, when we did a round robin that totally rewrote the continuity of
the
pilot episode in A World Without Superman, we did so because the A plot was
fueled by Mxyzptlk sending Lois back to that era with full knowledge of her
and Clark's history together, and that Lois has to convince Clark that he's
super powered and flies around in tights<g>  If she accomplishes that goal,
then 'reality' is restored and Mxy goes back to the 5th dimension. Nothing
we
did to the pilot was permanent, but playing with "what ifs" in the pilot was
fun.  Yet due to the extraordinary powers of Mxyzptlk, it was all kept
within
continuity.

All of this regards personal taste as writers and readers. If Lois and Clark
are kept true to their characterization, I can read them and enjoy them in
almost any set of circumstances.  As a writer though, I have more fun using
the continuity, or creatively playing with the continuity without utterly
undoing or rewriting the continuity.  That's why I enjoy your stories and
those of others regardless of where or how they take place.  As long as
they're true to the characters, I'm a happy camper. So I read fanfic and
write
fanfic and find my enjoyment of fanfic on two separate levels<g>

Zoomway@aol.com
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At 11:24 AM 7/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Although I do know the answer to the side question to this one about 'to
>fix or not to fix' damage done to modern myths. I most definitely write
>fanfic to 'fix' what I perceive as things the series leaves out, can't
>address or to add things that I'd simply like to see myself. I'm not sure I
>can even understand the point of writing fanfic that attempts to stay
>strictly within the continuity of the series as presented. Really. This is
>just MHO, but why do that? What is the fun in explaining away something
>that a) I liked as is or b) I didn't like as is at all?

"How come when you repeat what I say it sounds so dumb?" ;)

Seriously, this is such an incredibly subjective thing, it sometimes seems
that we're speaking a foreign language to each other.  There isn't any way
I can explain why reading stories that stay within continuity please me
more than others (not to the exclusion of others, but definitely more)
because it does seem to be dependent on the mind-set we bring to the
reading experience.  All I know is that I came to this feeling through
trial and error.

When I first got online three years ago and discovered all the facets of
L&C fandom, I devoured a lot of fanfic.  It was possible then to actually
read it all - now, I don't think so. ;)  I hit every website I could
access, I got on the list for new stuff - I ftp-ed and downloaded until my
eyes bubbled. ;)  And over time, I realized that the stories that gave me
what I wanted *most*  weren't the what-ifs or the wildly variant.  A lot of
them were great stories and I enjoyed reading them, but when I did hit on
one that was good and also in continuity, I just had this extra feeling of
satisfaction from it that the others didn't provide.

Like a lot of people, some of the first ones I read were "Counter
Clark-Wise" and Chris Mulder's two long stories (which at the time were in
continuity since they were begun before the show did anything with the
relationship).  There was Carla Humbert's "Quick Change" which is a perfect
example of what fun you can have between the spaces. :)  I also realized
that this kind wasn't going to be easy to find.  As the show kept adding
more and more story to be accounted for, the fanfic became increasingly
divergent.  I'd be curious to know if this is the case in other fanfics
that are based on an ongoing series.

And just to be really perverse <g> the stories written for the "fifth
season" that I've read seem like what-ifs to me, despite their intent of
being within continuity as far as possible.  Go figure. ;)

Georgia

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At 10:40 PM -0400 7/15/98, Georgia E. Walden wrote:

>And just to be really perverse <g> the stories written for the "fifth
>season" that I've read seem like what-ifs to me, despite their intent of
>being within continuity as far as possible.  Go figure. ;)

Gasp!  /me pulls the knife out of my heart.  Georgia, how could you?? <bg>

Darn, and here I thought we had done so well at positioning them as real
eps.  Oh well, you can't please everyone.  :)

Kathy (smoothing down my exaggeratedly ruffled feathers.  Hey, just because
I think my kid is the cutest thing in the world, doesn't mean everyone else
will. <g>)

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>In a message dated 98-07-15 10:30:43 EDT, volterra@SD.ZNET.COM writes:
>
><< Looking at the stuff I've written: there's my Celtic/Arthurian novel
> (currently stalled, I want to do an excellent job at that one), my Regency
> Romance ... >>
>
>Yikes, after seeing Leanne's list, I wondered how many of you fanfic
writers
>eventually end up with something published that you actually, maybe, got
paid
>for... (or maybe some of you will someday and we can all say we knew you
when
>;)   )
>
Mine's a "someday" goal. The Regency rewrite is in fact, a step towards
that goal (although I keep reading that the market is shrinking to
miniscule proportions, but dammit I *want* to write a Regency. Er, sorry.)
In the meantime, I'm having fun, er procrastinating, honing my craft and
doing research, which I think I love almost as much as writing!

I think I finished my last post before I got to my point *grin*. Which was,
that I write stacks of stuff (or start to), those that are completed are
the ones that I have an audience for (L&C, Mis, Buffy ...). Even my
butt-kickin' Ophelia story (in the sense that Ophelia had a spine not that
it's rip-snortingly brilliant, that I defer to others) was written because
my email buddy *insisted* on reading after I told her I'd started on it.
So, if anyone wants to read any of the suggested (nonL&C) stories on my
list, ya got pester me :)

Leanne

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>thats why the networks hire many writers.  They each keep each other on
>their toes and steer them in the right direction.  Maybe to get from A to
>B you could use a co-writer.     --Mercedes

After having done Season 5, I suspect it's so that the main
writers/producers of a tv show don't have major nervous breakdowns. Many
writers spoil the continuity (to twist a common saying).

Leanne

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>At 10:40 PM -0400 7/15/98, Georgia E. Walden wrote:
>
>>And just to be really perverse <g> the stories written for the "fifth
>>season" that I've read seem like what-ifs to me, despite their intent of
>>being within continuity as far as possible.  Go figure. ;)
>
>
Doesn't seem perverse to me at all. (*Leanne pats down Kathy's reruffled
feathers*) When you think about it, Lois & Clark finished at "Family Hour"
-- anything beyond that is a "what if". The fact that there were a number
of fanfic season 5's started gave us a number of different ways L&C could
go.

Leanne

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At 8:42 PM -0800 7/15/98, Leanne Shawler wrote:

>Doesn't seem perverse to me at all. (*Leanne pats down Kathy's reruffled
>feathers*) When you think about it, Lois & Clark finished at "Family Hour"
>-- anything beyond that is a "what if". The fact that there were a number
>of fanfic season 5's started gave us a number of different ways L&C could
>go.

Well said, Leanne.  This is entirely true, of course. :)

Kathy (see what happens when you can't go to bed because the dryer is still
running?  My mom planted this vision of dryer lint fires in me since I was
a kid ... it's a curse. <g>)

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Leanne said:
>Looking at the stuff I've written: there's my Celtic/Arthurian novel
>(currently stalled, I want to do an excellent job at that one), my Regency
>Romance (in rewrite, and inspired by a dreadful B. Cartland movie -- I
>guess I have to thank BC for getting me into the whole Regency thing ...
>I've devoured Heyer etc ever since!), my incomplete Three Musketeers fic
>(pure "Mary Sue" and only one or two people have seen it, hey I may finish
>it), and a rewrite (completed) of "Hamlet" from Ophelia's point of view
>(written after seeing the Branagh film, which was brilliant but revitalised
>my high school complaints of Shakey doing poorly by the women).

Rewriting Hamlet?!  Well ... no guts, no glory!

Although I haven't been spending anytime rewriting the Bard lately, what I
have been doing in my spare time -- beyond sticking pins in my Bill Gates
voodoo doll -- is reading "The Comedy Writer," by Peter Farrelly.  (A friend
gave it to me for my birthday.)  It's a novel, which, I'm assuming, is
loosely based upon the author's own experiences.  Farrelly is one of the
co-writers and co-director of the new movie, "There's Something About Mary".

The book jacket says:  "A Confederacy of Dunces" meets "The Player" in an
offbeat, sidesplittingly hilarious novel about making it against all odds in
1990s' Hollywood, by the co-writer/director of "Dumb and Dumber".  Well!...
Now, THAT certainly made me want to read this.... I almost didn't start it.
However, I'm glad I did.  It's rather entertaining ... and funny (except
that I don't think I want to read another scene about this guy's ... um ...
personal moments).  I'm definitely going to write to him and tell him he's
going to go blind.

Why do I bring it up?  Other than the fact that it tells an interesting tale
of a 30-something guy, chucking it all and trying to break into the bizness,
there was one scene which was really vivid for me.  Farrelly's protagonist
tries to "BS" his way onto the Warner Brothers lot (our home away from home)
and manages to get in to see the President.  I could picture this so well.
He talks about grabbing lunch at the Taco Bell outside, walking by the
guard, waving his script and lunch bag as if he belonged, and then managing
to lie his way into the executive offices.  Hmm.  Why didn't some of *you*
think of that?

Anyway, talk about fanfic.  I wonder how much of this is fiction?
Sandy
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>> You can always disagree with me, but you're still required to patroniz=
e
my
fruit stand just outside the city limits near the Interstate ;) <<

Oh, gee, do I *have* to?  Aw, shucks...

>>  My goal is to write something I hope is entertaining, thought-
provoking or just plain funny ;)  The continuity issue is simply my
personal
approach to obtaining the above goal. <<

Well, maybe it's easier for you to do than it would be for me; in order t=
o
for me keep things in continuity, I'd have to make it a goal <g> because
it's not my natural approach.

>> Some write an outline first and yet I find it
impossible to create an outline because I never know how my story is goin=
g
to
end until I get to the end.  <<

Here, too... I've been trying lately to do outlines (Season 5/6)
because otherwise I'm afraid I won't be able to do anything coherent, but=

it's only a very rough guideline, and if things turn a different way whil=
e
I'm writing it, the outline will be happily tossed aside.  You and I also=

tend to write shorter stories, I suspect that plays a part in it... but
maybe not.

>>>>I do think you can change circumstances in order to shift the
character's reactions, and still maintain the spirit of the characters. <=
<<

I agree this is true, if you mean for example Superman said "I love you
too,
Lois" at the end of Barbarians at the Planet, Lois's reaction would have
been
a whole lot different from what we saw<g> <<

Hmm, not exactly.  That's not changing the circumstance, that's
directly altering Clark's reaction at that point, and that seems more lik=
e
tinkering with the characters (although it could still be a terrific
story).  I was thinking more along the lines of changing outside things..=
=2E.
say, for instance, that at the start of Forget Me Not, it was recommended=

that Lois be treated as an out-patient, *not* as a resident of a clinic. =

That change doesn't contradict anything, characterwise, but it sure opens=

up new possibilities.  A lot of revelation stories tend to fit this
pattern... the author says, up until this point, things are just like we
saw them on the series, but then this new sequence of events happened,
let's see what goes on from there.

>>  there's so many ways that writers for Lois and Clark can
play around with continuity and still have it *be* continuity that I only=

get
satisfaction when I can make it work on that level. <<

Well, I sure like to read what you write, so by all means, keep it up <g>=

>> Nothing we
did to the pilot was permanent, but playing with "what ifs" in the pilot
was
fun.  Yet due to the extraordinary powers of Mxyzptlk, it was all kept
within
continuity. <<

Yep, that was a ton of fun <g>  I'm actually doing something similar,
now, based on an idea Missy had for a series of stories in which L&C get
together at various "too early" points in the series, and then poor Herbi=
e
has to chase around after them setting things straight <g>  (The series i=
s
open to any writer who's interested; write to me or missytoo@mindspring.c=
om
for details <g>)

PJ

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>> who is miles vorkosigan?  what his significance? <<

Miles Naismith Vorkosigan is the main character in a series of science
fiction books written by Lois McMaster Bujold.  I'm a huge fan of her
writing, and apparently a few others here are familiar with her books as
well.  We were just speculating on crossover possibilities with L&C; sinc=
e
they have access to a time machine, they do have latitude to cross over
with any number of sci-fi things...

Sorry if we've bored/confused/annoyed you... :-)

PJ
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Circle

I just wanted to mention this in case you haven't read them, yet...

OK, so I know that the S5 FoLC are thinking (more than thinking, I hope) of
doing S6...just a couple personal requests: *IF* Lex does get his hands on
the baby, *please* don't let her be away from her parents for long...no
more than one ep. If you do, I can't read it (maybe skim it and then read
the ending :) It's just too traumatic for me, and as a parent, our worst
nightmare. (It's also too argh-ish for me...I mean 5 episodes...it still
ticks me off.) I know it provides some great storyline possiblities, but I
just can't take that kind of a WHAM for long. I know many other readers may
not feel this way at all, and it's just a personal thing...but it's my
take.

Sheila's "A Shot in the Dark" had the big wham at the beginning, but she
warned us and promised us she'd leave the toys back in place...besides the
getting them back in their places was a great deal of fun (since L&C were
*together* doing it) {especially the nfic version...it was wonderful,
incredible, loving, fit perfectly, etc. gush, gush} Now, however, Lois &
CLark are not suuposed to be alone, together...they're a family. Baby's
gotta be along for a lot of the ride...or it'd be too much like the old
Lois dream-sequences in the SIlver age comics.

I liked that TUFS had a boy, and I've heard that it wasn't all that
coincidental <g>...I hadn't heard anything about a TUSS (sounds too much
like  acough syrup...you guys may need to come up with a new acronym :) and
I'd very much (selfishly, I admit) like for there to be one. I've enjoyed
TUFS and S5 every bit as much as the show.

Now, to the Supergirl question...on alt.comics.Superman newsgroup, there is
talk of a series about Supergirl (called The Maid of Steel or something
along those lines) and rumors that it'll be produced by the same folks (not
FoLCs, necessarily) as L&C. Has anyone heard any reliable info or is it
just net-gossip-garbage? Also, anymore info on the new Wonderwoman series
that I heard mentioned briefly earlier in the year?

I guess that's about enough...

Regina (FoLC with a quest for reliable intel...)
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Greetings,
My web page, Vegeta's Palace, is finnaly going through with it's host
page. This page will host fan interviews of thier beloved charcters. The
charcters will  be primarly  from anime, fantisy and scifi sources.
Althoug I have no objections of Someone from out side this range. So if
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At 08:36 AM 7/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>  It's rather entertaining ... and funny (except
>that I don't think I want to read another scene about this guy's ... um ...
>personal moments).  I'm definitely going to write to him and tell him he's
>going to go blind.
>

What is this 1898? Reminds me of the good old days when women weren't
allowed to vote...

>
>
>Anyway, talk about fanfic.  I wonder how much of this is fiction?
>Sandy
>salymc@gateway.net
>

Are you asking about what he wrote or what you wrote?

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.>>At 08:36 AM 7/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
  It's rather entertaining ... and funny (except that I don't think I want
to read another scene about this guy's ... um ... personal moments).  I'm
definitely going to write to him and tell him he's going to go blind.<<

>What is this 1898?<

No, it's the 1990's -- the Lorena Bobbitt decade.

>>Reminds me of the good old days when women weren't allowed to vote...<<

You remember those days, Gary?

>>Anyway, talk about fanfic.  I wonder how much of this is fiction?
>>Sandy
>>salymc@gateway.net
>
>Are you asking about what he wrote or what you wrote?<

Well, I'm sure that *that* part of his novel is completely
autobiographical.<g>  As for my comments, they were tongue-in-cheeks-ville.

*Still*, one scene like that makes the point, two scenes like that *really*
makes the point, three scenes and I'm mumbling, "Okay, I get it... You're
really lonely" -- AND, it's *only* page 62 of a 351 page book.  Frankly, I'm
hoping he gets lucky soon because I'm feeling real sorry for him.

As for the author himself, he's a success!  He probably has bimbos crawling
all over him!  *And*, I bet they don't  vote!  So, he has the best of both
worlds -- easy women with no public obligations!

Sandy
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Hello L&C Fanfic Readers:

I thought I'd take a break from slaying the microsoftware serpent to let you
know that I now have a webpage devoted solely to my Lois and Clark Fanfic.

With the very kind help of Genevieve, it is now open for visitors....
Actually, it was all her idea.  Once I had separated my personal and
professional use of the internet via a home computer, I felt comfortable
enough to present my stories, *both* n-fic and reg-fic, on a public page.
She kindly offered to give me some space through her account and proceeded
to build a very nice platform for them.  Many of you have probably read the
stories, so other than the page, itself, the specific contents won't be new.
However, there are probably a few newcomers who haven't read them, and I
welcome them to the site.

For those who visit -- if you have any suggestions for the page, let me
know.  I'm sure it will evolve over time.  I will be adding a new story -- a
regular fic story -- within the near future.  And, someday, I hope to take
the  burden of maintenance from Genevieve ; ) and manage it on my own....

God, knows what will happen to it then....  It'll probably disappear into
the restaurant at the end of the universe.<g>  Anyway, the address is:

http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/

Please be aware that some of this material is n-fic and there are very, very
clear warnings and provisos prominently displayed.

Sandy (in D.C.) -- wow, feels like old times with that sign-off.
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Maybe I missed the boat but who are you talking about?  Who's autobiography
are you talking about?  --Mercedes
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>Why do I bring it up?  Other than the fact that it tells an interesting
tale
>of a 30-something guy, chucking it all and trying to break into the
bizness,
>there was one scene which was really vivid for me.  Farrelly's protagonist
>tries to "BS" his way onto the Warner Brothers lot (our home away from
home)
>and manages to get in to see the President.  I could picture this so well.
>He talks about grabbing lunch at the Taco Bell outside, walking by the
>guard, waving his script and lunch bag as if he belonged, and then managing
>to lie his way into the executive offices.  Hmm.  Why didn't some of *you*
>think of that?
>
Hey! I've *eaten* at that Taco Bell!!!!!!! It's just down the street from
the entrance to the WB tour ... I insisted on eating something before going
traipsing over the backlot. I didn't fancy fainting ...

(Just thought I'd share)

Leanne

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At 10:26 PM 7/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>.>>At 08:36 AM 7/16/98 -0400, you wrote:
>  It's rather entertaining ... and funny (except that I don't think I want
>to read another scene about this guy's ... um ... personal moments).  I'm
>definitely going to write to him and tell him he's going to go blind.<<
>
>
>>What is this 1898?<
>
>No, it's the 1990's -- the Lorena Bobbitt decade.
>
>
Good Choice...(but I've already written a L&C nfic about her) and the
reason they were able to reattach Mr. Bobbit's...er...member is because
that part of the anatomy to normally oxygen deprived (oxygen is carried
by the blood, in case you didn't know) and so regular 'use' of said
member is not only enjoyable, but indeed medically necessary...
(I could include more info about the prostate, but I sure you don't
care.)

>>>Reminds me of the good old days when women weren't allowed to vote...<<
>
>You remember those days, Gary?
>
>

Yes I do. History class.

>
>
>Well, I'm sure that *that* part of his novel is completely
>autobiographical.<g>  As for my comments, they were tongue-in-cheeks-ville.
>
>*Still*, one scene like that makes the point, two scenes like that *really*
>makes the point, three scenes and I'm mumbling, "Okay, I get it... You're
>really lonely" -- AND, it's *only* page 62 of a 351 page book.  Frankly,
I'm
>hoping he gets lucky soon because I'm feeling real sorry for him.
>

No, you don't get it.

>As for the author himself, he's a success!  He probably has bimbos crawling
>all over him!  *And*, I bet they don't  vote!  So, he has the best of both
>worlds -- easy women with no public obligations!
>
>Sandy
>salymc@gateway.net
>
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Hello folcs:
It's been awhile since I posted anything, but I was thinking of this
last night and I just had to get this out of my system.
I know all fanfic writers like feedbacks, wheather it's complimentary
of disparging. I admit as a writer, I'd like feedbacks. (although I've
only written two fanfics)
However, as a reader, I hesitate to send feedbacks to the authors, no
matter how good the story is. Because I don't know what to write to
them. Should I just say: Hi there, I really like/love you story or
should I describe in details what I like/love about it?
I found that writing my thoughts down are harder than saying them out
loud (i.e. I express myself better orally than in writing-you can tell
by the amount of fanfics I write:)
Also, I wonder if the writers may also be confused by the feedbacks
readers give. Of course it's nice to receive an email saying: I
enjoyed your fanfic.
But what did they enjoyed about it? Was it the plot that's original?
Or is it because the way the writer experssed the characters' feelings?
I'd like to hear from both writers and readers on this subject. For
writers-what kind of feedback do you appreciate the most? For
readers-do you enjoy sharing your thoughts with the author or do you
find it hard to
tell them about your feelings (like me :P)
Best regards, Grace

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Grace Wong said:
>It's been awhile since I posted anything, but I was thinking of this
>last night and I just had to get this out of my system.
>I know all fanfic writers like feedbacks, wheather it's complimentary
>of disparging. I admit as a writer, I'd like feedbacks. (although I've
>only written two fanfics)

Heck- I haven't written anything (yet!) and I still want feedback! ;) (I
swear- I will finish something someday...)

>However, as a reader, I hesitate to send feedbacks to the authors, no
>matter how good the story is. Because I don't know what to write to
>them. Should I just say: Hi there, I really like/love you story or
>should I describe in details what I like/love about it?
>I found that writing my thoughts down are harder than saying them out
>loud (i.e. I express myself better orally than in writing-you can tell
>by the amount of fanfics I write:)

I tend to think faster on my fingers than my feet, but my writing style
and my conversational style are vastly different- I write email as if I
were actually speaking, and well... IRL I'm more of a listener than a
talker.

>Also, I wonder if the writers may also be confused by the feedbacks
>readers give. Of course it's nice to receive an email saying: I
>enjoyed your fanfic.
>But what did they enjoyed about it? Was it the plot that's original?
>Or is it because the way the writer experssed the characters' feelings?
>I'd like to hear from both writers and readers on this subject. For
>writers-what kind of feedback do you appreciate the most? For
>readers-do you enjoy sharing your thoughts with the author or do you
>find it hard to tell them about your feelings (like me :P)

Hah- the reason I tend to keep my mouth shut is that at the end of a
fanfic I like, I tend to think: "Damn- that was good- I should write the
author and tell her I like it!" (Well, it's usually a her. :) And then I
sit in front of the computer, keyboard-in-lap and I can't figure out
what I want to say.

"That was good, I liked it." sounds particularly inane and rather
brainless and I figure, hey, I went to college and took an English
class- I should be able to string a few words together and say _why_.
And then I string a few words together, look at them, and proceed to
roll my eyes in frustration, delete them all, and move on to reading the
next fanfic. :)

I've actually written a few authors. Emphasis on 'few'. *sigh* There are
a good dozen or two more whose work I enjoy, and I'd like to tell them
that I do, but I can never summon the words when I try to write them and
say why. Anyway- enough of my frustrated ramblings- we now return you to
your regular programming.

Misha
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<< For writers-what kind of feedback do you appreciate the most? >>

I think the best feedback is anything that helps you get an idea as to why
the
reader liked/disliked your story. It's nice to get an e-mail saying that
someone read and liked your story, but that doesn't help you to know what
they
liked about it so that you can keep that in mind for your next story. I
don't
know if most writers feel this way, but getting negative feedback, though it
may sting a little initially, can be helpful as well, *if* the reader tells
you
why they didn't like your story. But if you have trouble giving feedback,
it's
better to e-mail and just say that you enjoyed their story than not to;
sometimes writers wonder if anyone out there is actually reading their
stuff,
or if it's just cyber-clutter. ;)

So that makes me wonder something- do many readers write authors with
negative
feedback? I know that readers must read stories they don't like (many
readers
have said that they've gotten pickier in what fanfic they read than they had
initially been), so do readers write much negative feedback? And if you do
write it, how often do you write it? (Would you be more likely to send
negative
feedback if the story were really bad, or there was just one part that
didn't
sit well with you?)

<< For readers-do you enjoy sharing your thoughts with the author or do you
find it hard to tell them about your feelings (like me :P) >>

As a reader, I actually enjoy writing other authors and telling them that I
liked their stories. When I first started reading fanfic, if I would've
written to everyone whose story I enjoyed, I would've had to make a
full-time
career out of it. But that was because there were so many good stories
already
there for me to read (plus I hadn't written any fanfic myself, so didn't
know
how important feedback was), and I had to "catch up." Now, though, as new
stuff
comes along, I share my thoughts with writers more often, at least when real
life doesn't get in the way <g> And I think it's always nice to hear back
from
a writer after you've given them feedback; there's nothing more frustrating
than finishing a story where the author practically begs for feedback, then
never sends you an e-mail back when you give them some.

-Christy
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
 Attalanta on IRC
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>>Maybe I missed the boat but who are you talking about?  Who's
autobiography are you talking about?  --Mercedes<<

We're talking about a book I'm reading entitled, "The Comedy Writer," by
Peter Farrelly.  It's not an autobiography -- supposedly.

****
Leanne said:
>>Hey! I've *eaten* at that Taco Bell!!!!!!! It's just down the street from
the entrance to the WB tour ... I insisted on eating something before going
traipsing over the backlot. I didn't fancy fainting ...
(Just thought I'd share)<<

Exactly.... I think I went to a Burger King or something.  (I was really
surprised that there weren't better restaurants along that strip catering
to all those workers....  Someone could make a fortune providing some
decent food.)

By the way, the author also has a scene at a Hard Rock Cafe.  I feel like
I'm reliving LAFF.

****
I said:
>>*Still*, one scene like that makes the point, two scenes like that
*really* makes the point, three scenes and I'm mumbling, "Okay, I get it...
You're really lonely" -- AND, it's *only* page 62 of a 351 page book.
Frankly, I'm hoping he gets lucky soon because I'm feeling real sorry for
him.<<

Gary said:
>No, you don't get it.<

Touche.

************************
On to another topic:  A Fanfic Idea

Last night, I was reading a story called "Kent Lost and Found" by Shelly.
It's another next generation fic.  It was interesting for its take on the
child of L&C and her reactions to Clark, but I would have liked more on L&C
themselves -- their first night together after a long absence, discussions
about their child, etc.  It's devoid of a lot of necessary L&C interaction
--> I know that the author was trying to address the younger Kent
specifically, but unfortunately it cries out for more from the other
characters.  (Maybe I'll give a more thorough review of the story later.)

One thing I'll mention now, though, "Kent Lost and Found" does do an
excellent job of moving in and out of past memories and present time.   I
am dealing with that structural problem myself and am afraid that I'm
making it terribly confusing for the reader.  Shelly's story does it quite
well, however.

Anyway, what I *really* wanted to say is that this story also gave me
another idea for a fic.  It introduces a fictional character -- not a known
L&C character -- who I have actually thought of creating myself....

Suppose Lex had gotten married again, as happened in Season 5.  Suppose
>from that marriage a little Luthor is born who is not necessarily a bad
person.  (I mean, genes aren't everything.)  Now suppose L&C also have a
child of the opposite sex from the Luthors'....  And, furthermore, say they
don't know about each other, meet by chance, and fall in love -- sort of
like Romeo and Juliet.  Don't you think *that* might be interesting.
Instead of the Montagues and Capulets, we have the Kents and the Luthors
dealing with their children falling in love with the "enemy".  Intriguing,
I think.

Hey, Leanne, this is Shakespearean.  Give it a try.

Sandy
salymc@gateway.net
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In a message dated 98-07-17 12:12:29 EDT, kubitc@KENYON.EDU writes:

<< So that makes me wonder something- do many readers write authors with
negative
 feedback? >>

Well, the most negative feedback I would give would be a bashing of someone
cause they didn't bother to spellcheck or proof read--or get a proof reader
if
they don't have a command of spelling and grammar. And if it's that bad, I'm
not likely to write cause I wouldn't know how to say this politely!

--Laurie
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Subject:      Feedback & Shakespeare

I try to always send feedback to an author when I've really enjoyed a
story; however, when I've thought a fic was so-so, or I didn't like it at
all, I don't send feedback. I figure they've put effort into it, and taste
is very subjective. I do agree with Sandy (?) or whoever said what they did
about spelling, grammar, etc...those kinds of errors (numerous, gross
mistakes....everyone makes typos once in a while...or when an author makes
the same mistake over and over) really turn me off and I won't even finish
reading a story. I have to admit, I've seen *many* of these. I don't *try*
to catch mistakes...they just jump right out at me, and it's not because
I'm an English teacher, either (math, for those who care :)

I *loved* the idea of a Kent/Luthor progeny romance. What a great idea!
Someone who writes well should take this one up (not me, I only read!)

Anyway, the topics on the list have been pretty neat, recently. Too bad I
start back to school in 2+ weeks, and won't have the time to spend reading
this stuff...

Later, FoLC,
Regina

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At 01:35 PM 7/17/98 -0400, Sandra McDermin wrote:
>On to another topic:  A Fanfic Idea
>Suppose Lex had gotten married again, as happened in Season 5.  Suppose
>>from that marriage a little Luthor is born who is not necessarily a bad
>person.  (I mean, genes aren't everything.)  Now suppose L&C also have a
>child of the opposite sex from the Luthors'....  And, furthermore, say they
>don't know about each other, meet by chance, and fall in love -- sort of
>like Romeo and Juliet.  Don't you think *that* might be interesting.
>Instead of the Montagues and Capulets, we have the Kents and the Luthors
>dealing with their children falling in love with the "enemy".  Intriguing,
>I think.

Wwwwwwweeeeeelllllllllllll, I think I actually have notes on something like
this somewhere around here. The idea may have started as a sequel to
Sanctuary, but then veered in another direction to explain away something
>from another little tidbit I did that got some very, um, mixed reactions
for a very specific reason related to their son. Wonder how many will
figure that one out? Kathy, shut up. <vbeg> But if I remember correctly,
the ideas I did have had some rather strange twists in mind. The reason it
never got off the ground as a story though was that I could never decide on
which gender roles would work best - i.e. which progeny should be male or
female, the Kent or the Luthor?

The dynamics could vary considerably depending on which was chosen. A male
Kent and female Luthor could play out just like a repeat of Lois and
Clark's story but with some major changes mainly because the obvious
assumption is that a male child of theirs would be more like Clark than
Lois. Could be true, but it also might not be and the results could be very
interesting when the unknown of a female Luthor is taken into consideration.

However, change it to a female Kent and a male Luthor and suddenly there
are completely new dimensions to the characters because a really big
question arises. The natural assumption is to make a male Luthor a copy of
Lex, more or less, but would a female Kent be more like Lois or Clark in
personality? And what if Luthor, Junior, is both like and unlike Daddy no
matter who the Kent's daughter takes after? Occassionally there are romance
heroes and heroines that define convention just like L&C does, but for the
most part heroes ARE more like Lex AND Lois than Clark and Clark's very
goodness and faith are usually found in heroines rather than in the heroes.
The personality combinations are mind-boggling when carried to the next
generation.

For instance, right this moment, I'm reading a romantic suspence called
Naked In Death by Nora Roberts, the first in her In Death series about a
female homicide cop in the twenty-first century. Eve Dallas is driven,
dedicated, and tough as nails. Her love interest is a self-made, enigmatic,
multi-billionaire who also happens to be a suspect in her ongoing
investigation. So far great story, but for a L&C fan, it's very distracting
to feel like I'm reading the developing love story between Lois and Lex.
Oye. I keep waiting for another character to make an appearance <G> but the
truth is that the story works.

When I think about it, the true unknown in this is the mother of Luthor's
child. Who she is, what she believes and does, past and present, could
provide the spin to the story to make it unique and believeable. Tradegy or
comedy waiting to happen? Could go either way depending on the writer, but
I don't think it automatically has to be a tradegy.

Beverly :-)

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Grace Wong wrote:

> >>However, as a reader, I hesitate to send feedbacks to the authors,
> no
> matter how good the story is. Because I don't know what to write to
> them. Should I just say: Hi there, I really like/love you story or
> should I describe in details what I like/love about it?
> I found that writing my thoughts down are harder than saying them out
> loud
> (snipped)
> I'd like to hear from both writers and readers on this subject. For
> writers-what kind of feedback do you appreciate the most? For
> readers-do you enjoy sharing your thoughts with the author or do you
> find it hard to
> tell them about your feelings (like me :P)
> Best regards, Grace<<

I'm glad you brought this up Grace, because I am always feeling so
guilty about not sending in feedback!  A lot of the problem is time.
It's a rare and precious moment when I actually have time to read
fanfic, and to actually have time to send feedback right after I'm done,
while it is still fresh in my mind---that never happens!  So the next
time I have a moment I'm afraid I'm a bit selfish and rather than
writting the author with some comments, I just start reading another
fic! sorry :)  But the other main problem is exactly what Grace said, I
just don't know what to write, and when I do have feelings about a story
I really have the hardest time writting them down. Sometimes I start and
all I get out is "Wow I really liked this story!" Or if it is one that
was just "okay" I hate to just say that! I also feel quite a bit
intimidated by all the wonderful evaluations that others post.  Everyone
seems to really know their 'stuff' and I feel like anything I write
would be so juvenile!

As for sending back negative comments, that would be the hardest for
me!  Even though the authors say they can take it and that it helps, it
is still very hard for me! I feel like if I can't even write, who am I
too say they should of done this or that?  But I do enjoy reading what
others have said about fic's wether pos or neg.  Maybe it will help me
to do my share in letting the authors know what we think.

I do want all the authors to know that this fanfic reader greatly
appreciates all their hardwork, and I don't want any of them to think
that their stuff is just taking up cyberspace! I pray for a never ending
supply of L&C fic's!  And I'll do my 'darndest' to try and respond when
I can!

jamee

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Grace Wong wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>>>However, as a reader, I hesitate to send feedbacks
to the authors, no
<BR>matter how good the story is. Because I don't know what to write to
<BR>them. Should I just say: Hi there, I really like/love you story or
<BR>should I describe in details what I like/love about it?
<BR>I found that writing my thoughts down are harder than saying them out
<BR>loud
<BR>(snipped)
<BR>I'd like to hear from both writers and readers on this subject. For
<BR>writers-what kind of feedback do you appreciate the most? For
<BR>readers-do you enjoy sharing your thoughts with the author or do you
<BR>find it hard to
<BR>tell them about your feelings (like me :P)
<BR>Best regards, Grace&lt;&lt;</BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm glad you brought this up Grace, because I am always feeling so guilty
about not sending in feedback!&nbsp; A lot of the problem is time.&nbsp;
It's a rare and precious moment when I actually have time to read fanfic,
and to actually have time to send feedback right after I'm done, while
it is still fresh in my mind---that never happens!&nbsp; So the next time
I have a moment I'm afraid I'm a bit selfish and rather than writting the
author with some comments, I just start reading another fic! sorry :)&nbsp;
But the other main problem is exactly what Grace said, I just don't know
what to write, and when I do have feelings about a story I really have
the hardest time writting them down. Sometimes I start and all I get out
is "Wow I really liked this story!" Or if it is one that was just "okay"
I hate to just say that! I also feel quite a bit intimidated by all the
wonderful evaluations that others post.&nbsp; Everyone seems to really
know their 'stuff' and I feel like anything I write would be so juvenile!

<P>As for sending back negative comments, that would be the hardest for
me!&nbsp; Even though the authors say they can take it and that it helps,
it is still very hard for me! I feel like if I can't even write, who am
I too say they should of done this or that?&nbsp; But I do enjoy reading
what others have said about fic's wether pos or neg.&nbsp; Maybe it will
help me to do my share in letting the authors know what we think.

<P>I do want all the authors to know that this fanfic reader greatly
appreciates
all their hardwork, and I don't want any of them to think that their stuff
is just taking up cyberspace! I pray for a never ending supply of L&amp;C
fic's!&nbsp; And I'll do my 'darndest' to try and respond when I can!

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Hi everyone <g>,

The IRC round robin writers have been at it again and I have the pleasures
of
posting our latest offerings :).

The first is "Superman vs. The In-laws," a humorous story in which Ellen
Lane
tries to impose some *togetherness* on her unruly family by inviting them
all
to the beach for a weekend of fun in the sun.  The second is "We're Having a
Baby My Baby and Me", a waffy tale which recounts Lois's attempts to break
the
news of her pregnancy to Clark.

We hope you enjoy them.  As usual, feedback will be appreciated.

Cheers,

Eileen
Eraygun@aol.com
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Superman v. The In-laws

An IRC Round-robin by ChrisM^ (mulders@mindspring.com); chrispat
(cp13607@aol.com); CrystalW (JCWimmer@aol.com); Eraygun (Eraygun@aol.com);
Lansbury (lansbury1@aol.com); Mackteach (Mackteach@aol.com); Missytoo
(Missytoo@mindspring.com); Zoomway (zoomway@aol.com)

[ChrisM^]

Lois let herself into her townhouse, juggling keys, grocery bags and her
briefcase, but with a contented smile on her face.  The last couple of days
had been pretty good, and she'd gotten a line on what could possibly be
another great story just that afternoon.  She headed for the kitchen,
noticing
as she went past the desk that the light on the answering machine was
blinking
away like mad.

Wonder where Clark is? she thought as she put away the groceries.  He'd
dashed
away from the grocery store and she hadn't seen him since. She hoped he
wouldn't be too long.  She was looking forward to a nice dinner and then ...
well, they'd just see what developed.

She slipped her shoes off as she headed for the stairs.  It would be nice to
get into something more comfortable before starting dinner.  As she passed
the
answering machine, though, she decided to listen to the messages first.
Maybe
Clark had called.

Most were perfectly harmless ... wouldn't you like a new credit card, Mrs.
Kent ... her doctor's office reminding her of her upcoming appointment ...
Martha calling just to say "Hi" ...  And then, there was the one from her
mother.

"HI, LOIS!" Her mother's distinctive tones leapt through the wires and Lois
took an involuntary step back.  "It's me," she added, unnecessarily.  "I've
just had the most terrific idea ... well, you may not think it's terrific,
but
I hope you'll keep an open mind about this."

Lois rolled her eyes towards heaven.  What now?

"I know that, in the past, we--your father and I--well, we didn't always ...
you know.  But since Sam and I have been ... um, seeing each other again,
sort
of ... well, I uh, I thought ..."

Lois shifted from one foot to the other impatiently.  Spit it out, mother,
she
thought.

"I guess there's no good way to say this, except to say it."

What in the world is going on? Lois wondered.  Just then she heard a
familiar
'whoosh' and turned to see her husband coming down the stairs.  He'd already
changed into his Clark clothes.
He could tell by her face that something was up, but before he could ask,
Ellen's voice interrupted him.

"I'd like for you and Clark, if he wants to that is, to come to a family
weekend that I have planned."    Now that she'd gotten that much out, her
voice took on its usual assurance.  "You'll enjoy this, Lois.  It will be a
chance for us to be together.  I'm inviting Lucy, too. And, oh, it's at the
beach.  I did tell you that part, didn't I?"

Lois and Clark looked at each other.    To say they were stunned would be an
understatement.

[chrispat]

Ellen's voice rushed on. "You have to come. I already told Sam you'd be
there,
and I know you won't want to disappoint him."  Lois rolled her eyes again,
and
Clark groaned.

"Anyway, call me and I'll give you directions. Bye."  The answering machine
beeped.

Lois and Clark looked at each other.  Their plans for a quiet weekend
together
had gone up in smoke.

"Arghhh. Clark, think of something. I'll go mad if I have to spend a whole
weekend with her. I know... we'll tell her your mother is sick and we have
to
go to Kansas." Lois picked up the phone and started to dial, but Clark took
the receiver out of her hand.

"Honey, we can do it. And Sam and Lucy will be there too. It might even be
fun, and if it's at the beach, I'll get to see you in that new bikini you
just
bought." He wiggled his eyebrows suggestively.  "And maybe out of it too."

Lois looked a bit doubtful, but the beach idea was starting to sound good,
even if it included her mother.  "Oh, all right, but you better bring those
speedos I bought you. I'm going to need all the distraction I can get."

Clark grinned. "It's a deal." He bent down and kissed her gently. "By the
way,
hello."

Lois kissed him back. "There's a carload of groceries waiting for Superman.
And I've got a special dessert all planned for tonight." She gave him a pat
and started up the stairs.

[CrystalW]

Clark watched her go with a small smile on his face.  He couldn't wait to
see
her in that bikini...

 *****
As Lois stepped from the jeep, she couldn't help but appreciate the view.
The
waves were rolling in gently, a direct contrast to the more aggressive waves
of the West Coast, but the effect of the sunrise over the blue water was
more
than worth the difference.

Clark was watching his wife rather than the scenery, appreciating the almost
serene look on her face.  He could hardly believe that this was the same
woman
that had looked at him with such panic when she had received the invitation.
She was not merely resigned to the weekend, but actually appeared to be
looking forward to it.

She moved around to the front of the jeep, mesmerized by the sight before
her.
She seemed calm, confident, and Clark couldn't help himself as he slipped up
behind her and placed his hands on her shoulders.  She sighed as she leaned
into him, enjoying the view before her and the warmth behind her.

Clark nearly jumped as far as she did when the chattering voice descended
upon
them, seemingly from nowhere.  One moment they were at peace with the world,
and the next moment a jabbering Lucy was standing between them.  Clark
wasn't
entirely sure what had happened, but he didn't like it.

"Can you believe that Mother did this?" she said, oblivious to Lois'
confusion
and Clark's irritation.  "I had a perfectly nice weekend planned with Jeff,
and now we have to be here.  I can just imagine what she would say if we
insisted on sharing a bed, so here I'm going to have to sleep by myself.
Lois
is there anything you could say?  I mean, I know she won't force you and
Clark
to...."

Lois turned away from her sister and faced her husband.  His frown was
threatening to turn into a smile as he watched Lois being overwhelmed by her
younger sister's babble.  He remembered feeling a similar confusion when he
had first met Lois, and it was rather poetic to see her on the receiving end
of the treatment.

She gave him a tiny glare when she realized that he wasn't going to help
her,
and focused her attention onto her sister.  "LUCY!" she said loudly, to
break
her sister's train of thought.

Lucy stopped in the middle of a sentence, and replied quietly, "You don't
have
to yell."

At the faint pout, Lois smiled and hugged her sister.  Okay, she admitted to
herself, she had missed her just a little.

After exchanging hugs and a quick promise that she would indeed talk to
their
mother about the sleeping arrangements, they finally started walking towards
the beach house.  She knew she would have to face her mother sometime, and
she
was certainly feeling alert enough to do it now.  If nothing else, her
encounter with her sister had shaken her from the relaxed daze that the
scenery had imposed.

Clark followed behind the sisters at a leisurely pace.  He carried a
suitcase
in each hand, and still was smiling slightly.  It was going to be an
interesting weekend, that much was for sure.

[Eraygun]

As they walked Lois decided it would be the perfect opportunity to cross
examine ... er, question, Lucy for a few more details about her latest
significant other.

"So, Lucy, tell me more about ... Jeff.  Where'd you meet him?  What does he
do?"

Lucy rolled her eyes and looked back at Clark. "The more things change..."
she
sighed. "Don't worry, Lois, he's perfectly *normal*.  He works at a health
food store.  That's where I met him."

"Oh."

"We've been going out for the last two months and we have so much in common.
It's just amazing!"

"Oh really, like what?" Lois asked warily.

Lucy hesitated for a few seconds. "Well, we're both vegetarians," she
finally
answered.

"You are? Since when?" Lois said incredulously.

"Since I met Jeff," Lucy replied offhandedly

*****

As they approached the beach house Lois could see a blonde and muscular
young
man with a somewhat dull expression sprawled across a wicker chair.

"Sweetie-pie, you're up from your nap!" Lucy squealed as she dashed away
from
Lois and Clark and headed toward the porch.

"Oh joy, another body by Fisher brains, by Mattel type," Lois hissed to
Clark.

"Well, at least this one's organic, honey."

[Mackteach]

Lois tossed Clark a half-smile as she slowly walked up the front stairs.
Crossing her arms, she stopped before the couple engrossed in a tongue
swallowing competition.  She cleared her throat.  Setting down the
suitcases,
Clark stepped up to Lois, slightly embarrassed to be viewing
such a public display of affection.

Remembering that they were in public, Lucy reluctantly broke off the kiss
and
sat in her boyfriend's lap.  "Jeff,  honey, this is my sister, Lois.  My
*older* sister."  She winked at Lois, taking the sting out of her words.

Lois smiled tightly and nodded.  "Jeff."

"Cool."  Jeff's attention turned to Clark, looking appraisingly at him, as
if
gauging the competition.  "You must be her old man."

Clark smiled, brushing off the competitive tone in his voice.  Extending his
hand, he replied warmly.  "Hi.  I'm Lois' husband, Clark."

Jeff shook hands with Clark, their grips momentarily tightening in the
age-old
male ritual.  Releasing his grip, Jeff looked at Clark with some newfound
respect.  "Cool."

Just as Lois was about to make a comment, the screen door squeaked open.

"Oh, there you are!  I see you've met each other."

Lois rolled her eyes and Clark breathed a low sigh of relief.  Turning to
his
mother-in-law, Clark smiled as brightly as he could.  "Hi, Ellen.  Thank you
for the invitation.  The beach looks great."

"Yes, Mother.  I'm glad you invited us.  Clark and I don't usually get away
like this.  Do we, honey?"  She looked at Clark, her eyes and body language
suddenly softening as it usually did when she looked at Clark.

Clark leaned down and gently kissed her.  "Remind me to take you away more
often."

Lois smiled and softly whispered.  "Deal."

"Hi, Mrs. Lane.  Thank you very much for the invitation.  It was very kind
of
you to include me in this family get together."

Lois and Clark turned in surprise.  Where a slightly dim-witted blonde
"surfer" had been was now a very articulate gentleman.  Lois caught the look
that Lucy gave her.  She made a mental note to ask Lucy later about Jeff's
sudden turnabout.

Ellen practically beamed.  "Why, thank you, Jeff.  When Lucy told me about
her
latest boyfriend, I don't mind telling you that I had some reservations.
But
now that I've met you, I have to say that I'm quite surprised.  You don't
seem
to be at all like her previous beaus."

"More like Jekyll and Hyde," Lois muttered, low enough that only Clark could
hear her.  He put an arm around her waist and gave her a quick squeeze.
Lois
subtly nudged him with her hip.

Lucy spoke up.  "Mother?  About the sleeping arrangements ..."

"Oh, that's one reason I came out here.  It seems that your father didn't
specify exactly how many bedrooms we needed, so there's going to be a slight
change in the sleeping arrangements."

Lois' radar suddenly went on alert.  "Change?  What do you mean by
'change'?"

Continued in part 2
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[Mackteach]

Ellen waved a hand at the group and they followed her into the beach house.

She turned to Lois.  "You see, dear, there's only two bedrooms.  Now, I know
you and Clark are married, but Lucy and Jeff aren't and neither are your
father and I.  So ..."  Her voice trailed off.

Lois got a sinking feeling in her stomach.  "Don't tell me ..."

[zoomway]

"Hold it!"  Lois raised a hand. "I did not come all the way out here to have
a
boy-girl slumber party."

"Lois, sweetie," her mother cajoled. "You're married now, it's not like
there's that ... urgency anymore."

Lois folded her arms. "Right now I'm feeling an 'urgency' to head right back
to Metropolis."

Lucy shifted uncomfortably. "Lois, it's just for the weekend."

"When I want your opinion, Benedict Lane, I'll *ask* for it," Lois said. "At
least we're still packed."

"Hey, what's all the shouting?" Sam asked as he came into the room.

"Oh boy," Clark said shaking his head.

Ellen, now a folded-armed mirror of Lois, glanced up at Sam. "It seems our
eldest daughter is unhappy with the sleeping arrangements."

"Well," Sam said with a large smile. "I figured as much, so I got a little
roll-away bed for the den. Problem solved. Three couples, three beds."

Lois smiled and kissed Sam's cheek. "Thank you, Daddy."

"No, Sam, we have one *married* couple and 2 *unmarried* couples."

Sam looked at her dully. "And?  This isn't a church social, Ellen. We're all
adults here."

"Well," Clark said brightly, "I'll just finish unpacking the jeep."

'Coward', Lois thought to herself.

"I'm curious, Sam. Is this just to get back in your daughters' good graces
after years of --"

"Neglect and abandonment," Lucy and Lois said in concert.

Jeff stepped up. "Mr. Lane, Mrs. Lane, if the relationship I have with your
daughter in any way makes you uncomfortable, we'd be happy to go with
whatever
arrangements you feel best."

"Why, thank you, Jeff," Ellen smiled. "You're a breath of fresh air."

"Speaking of," Lois said flatly, "I'll help Clark with the jeep, or whatever
he's really doing."  The squeaky screen slammed shut behind her.

Lois stormed over to the jeep, but Clark was nowhere in sight. She closed
her
eyes and leaned against the door.  "Just another fun-filled get together
with
the Lanes," she sighed. Yawning and raising her hands above her head to
stretch, she suddenly felt two strong hands grasping her wrists. She was
airborne.

[ChrisM^]

Within moments Clark was setting her down in a convenient hollow among some
nearby sand dunes.

"Clark!" she exclaimed, "What if someone had seen us?"

"Don't worry, I checked."  He pulled her into his arms.  "You looked as if
you
could use a break."

She leaned into his protective embrace.  "You're so right ... but I wonder
what gave it away."

Clark grinned at the sarcastic tone he could hear in her voice.  He kissed
the
top of her head, "Oh, I don't know ... your mother and your father all in
the
same room with Lucy and her latest, er, boyfriend.  Just a lucky guess."

She looked up and smiled at him, her sense of humor reasserting itself.

"And I think that lucky guess of yours will be the last bit of luck we have
this whole weekend."

"Well, Lois, it's only for tonight and tomorrow ..." he said a bit
uncertainly.

"And tomorrow night, and the next day," she reminded him.  "We're booked for
the weekend, remember?"

"Hmm."  He looked around him for a moment, and then up at the fading sky,
hoping for inspiration.  "Well, maybe we could slip away tomorrow and do
something.  Just the two of us."
Lois' smile got broader and her eyes gleamed coyly.  "That sounds promising.
I--"  Clark had "that look" on his face.  "Don't tell me.  You're hearing
something.  Clark, you can't leave me here with--"

"Your mother."

"What?"

"Your mother is calling us."

"Great shades of Elvis."

Clark laughed and began to guide Lois out of the protection of the sand
dunes.
"She's saying it's time for supper."

"And the condemned ate a hearty meal.  I know."  Lois grimaced, and Clark
paused.

He pulled her back into his arms and took his time kissing her.

"That ... was ... wonderful," she told him when he'd finished.  "If you
could
just do that at regular intervals, I might survive this weekend after all."

"I promise."

"Okay.  Lead on, then."

*****
[chrispat]

"This looks delicious, Mrs. Lane," Jeff declared with a bright smile. The
rest
of the diners eyed the food warily. Everyone knew Lois had inherited her
cooking talents from her mother.

"Why, thank you, Jeff.  I decided to try a new recipe. Please let me know
what
your think."

The family watched with fascination as Jeff took a bite. It was nice to have
a
guinea pig on hand. The expression on his face was priceless. First his eyes
watered. Then his face turned bright red. He choked, but managed to keep
chewing and eventually swallowed. The family watched to be sure he would
keep
it down. When it seemed that he would, they picked up their forks. At least
it
wasn't lethal.

Jeff grabbed his glass and gulped down a glass of water. "It's wonderful,
Mrs.
Lane, " he gasped. "I never would have thought of combining ginger,  garlic
and cinnamon."

Clark took a bite. "You know, it's not bad."

Lois glared at him. "Just because *you* can eat anything doesn't mean the
rest
of us can."

Ellen bristled. "Isn't that just like you, Lois. You never appreciated all
the
time I spent slaving over a hot stove -- and another thing, you're slouching
again."

Lois threw down her napkin. "Okay, Mother, I did not come here to listen to
the same old stuff. Come on, Clark, you can take me to Burger King."

Sam and Lucy jumped up. " Wait. We're coming too."

Ellen took a bite, and started laughing. "Okay. I admit it. This is really
bad. Let's all go into town and eat. My treat."

The family gawked. "Wow," Lois whispered to Clark. "Is that really my mother
or has someone planted a clone?"

[Eraygun]

Clark grinned. "Never look a gift horse in the mouth," he whispered back.

*****
Besides Burger King, the choices for dinner were somewhat limited in the
nearest town of Bayside.  Ellen initially suggested dinner at "Ralph's
Pagoda-
by-the-Sea" but both Lois and Clark strenuously objected at the thought of
setting foot in the place  So they opted instead for Mario's, a small
Italian
restaurant with an open deck that looked out on the ocean.

Gazing out at the sea and the stars Lois found herself relaxing again. She
could do this, she thought. After all, it was just for three days -- how bad
could it be?

After dinner the group decided to walk along the nearby boardwalk. Lois
purposely lagged behind and let Sam, Ellen, Lucy and Jeff forge ahead
through
the crowd.

"Very clever," Clark said with a smirk.

"Am I being that obvious again?"

"Yeah, but I love you for it," he said, pulling her into a warm embrace.
"And
now that we're separated from the rest of the Lanes, what do you want to
do?"

"Well I was thinking ...."

"Yes?"

[Lansbury]

Just as Lois was about to speak a high pitched voice rose above the sound of
the surf.  "Loiiis!  Clarrrk!  Over here."

Lois' head sank onto her husband's chest.

"It's going to be all right, honey.  Just roll with the waves."  Clark
smiled
at his own pun but Lois just glared at him.

"Yes, Mother. We'll be right there," she called in the direction of Ellen
and
Jeff and Lois and Clark made their way to the rest of the family.

"Jeff just had a wonderful idea. Tell them, Jeff."

Jeff was beaming from ear to ear.  "I know this place just down the
boardwalk
that has karaoke tonight.  Why don't we go there and have some fun?"

Lucy was looking at the cracks in the boardwalk while Lois grabbed Clark's
arm
with the strength of a vise grip.  "Mother, I don't....."  but before she
could get the next word out Ellen was dragging Sam in the direction Jeff had
pointed.

"Hurry, children,  we don't want to miss anything!"

Both Lucy and Lois looked at the men in their lives.  Lois heard Lucy say to
Jeff,  "Jeff if you say one more word to my mother in the next three days,
you, mister will be standing, eating, talking and sleeping by yourself."

Lois looked at Clark.  "I think I'm going to throw up."

[Mackteach]

Clark looked at Lois, a slight frown creasing his brow.  "Really?  You're
not
making that up, honey?"

Lois threw Clark a look of utter frustration.  "No, not really, but that
might
not be such a bad idea.  Between almost not sleeping with you, Mother's
attempt at cooking, and now karaoke ..."  Lois sighed.  "I don't know, Clark
... I think my family is cursed."

Clark chuckled and pulled Lois into his embrace.  "Your family is not
cursed,
honey.  Eccentric, yes, but definitely not cursed."

Lois sighed again, burying herself deeper into Clark's warmth.  "Karaoke
..."
She shuddered dramatically.

"Hey, you have a great voice."

"I suppose ... you haven't heard Mother's, though."

"Lois, it can't be that bad."

"Are you kidding?  *Cats* throw shoes at her!"

"You're exaggerating."

"Am not."

"Are too."  And before Lois could argue the point anymore, Clark closed his
mouth over hers, effectively silencing her.

After the kiss, Lois looked dreamily at him.  "I suppose you're right.  As
long as she sticks to Broadway show tunes, she's bearable."  She grinned up
at
him.  "But you're part of this family too."

Clark's eyes widened.  "Oh no!  Not me."

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The rain soon picked up again, driving Lois and Lucy up onto the cottage's
covered deck.  Lois just hoped that Ellen would have had time to do what she
did best.

It soon became perfectly obvious that Ellen had in fact outdone herself.
The
Jeff she now saw was a thoughtful Jeff, a chastised Jeff, a Jeff upon whom
certain cold, hard facts had all too forcefully thrust themselves.  Ellen,
on
the other hand, seemed strangely refreshed and invigorated by their
encounter,
and brightly suggested that they all play a nice game of Scrabble while
waiting for the rain to stop.

Lois had to hide a grin behind her hand, and turn a sudden fit of giggles
into
a fairly convincing cough.  Lucy tried to get Jeff to join in the game, but
he
declined saying he had a headache and wanted to rest for a while. So, when
Clark and Sam returned from their storm-tossed adventure, they found their
womenfolk engaged in a hotly contested Scrabble game.

They both went to change into some dry clothes and then hovered around the
table for a while, trying to tell the women about all that had happened on
board the ship.  Lois was the only one who was even vaguely interested, but
even she was too absorbed in the heat of competition to pay them much
attention.  Clark recognized the signs easily enough, having been on the
receiving end of Lois in full-game mode before.

He leaned over her shoulder, studying the board intently for a moment before
whispering in her ear,  "I still say 'chumpy' isn't a word, Lois."

"It is, too."

Ellen had heard their soft exchange and looked up.  "I knew it!  She said
*you* said it was a word, Clark, but I knew there was--"

"Mother!  That's all been settled, and we can't go back now.  Just play,
okay?"  She turned to Clark and said very patiently, "Why don't you get
yourself something to eat ... dear?"

Recognizing a superior force when he saw one, Clark took himself off to the
tiny kitchen to see what he could find for a late lunch.  By the time he'd
finished eating, the ladies were finishing up their game and tallying the
scores.  Lois was triumphant, having won two out of the three games they'd
played.  Lucy went off in a bit of a huff, hoping to find Jeff and sympathy,
but instead found empty dresser drawers and a space in the closet where
Jeff's
clothes had once hung.

"What in the world--" Sam exclaimed.

Ellen just looked smug.

*****
The afternoon wore on and so did the rain.  Lucy was not a pleasant
companion.

[CrystalW]

Lucy moped, as she was so good at doing, until Lois finally hinted to Clark
that she had had enough and left for the den.  It was really too early to
sleep, but sleep wasn't what she had in mind.  She curled up on the
roll-away
bed, hugging a pillow to her, and watched the rain out the window.

Clark joined her after a few moments, and just gazed at her.  She looked so
sweet that he couldn't resist.  Sitting down next to her he pulled her back
against his chest.  She rested her head against him, and together they
watched
the rain come down.

Lois must have dozed a bit, because the next thing she knew her mother was
knocking on the door, and telling them it was time for dinner.  She turned
around to wake Clark, but he was already wide awake and watching her
intently.

"Is something wrong?" she asked him, looking into his soft brown eyes.

He looked at her for a moment before placing a soft kiss on her lips.  "Not
a
thing."

She was vaguely confused, and quizzed him some more.  "So, you just like
looking at me?"

"Yes, I do."  he kissed her once more, and gently caressed her cheek with
the
palm of his hand.  For a moment longer he just gazed at her, then he told
her,
"This is exactly how I wanted to spend my weekend."

Lois smiled back at him and was about to give him an even more enthusiastic
kiss when her father knocked on the door.  She sighed, and changed the kiss
to
a small peck before rising from the bed.  Clark joined her and opened the
door
for her, letting her leave the den first.

They had hamburgers for dinner, finally giving in to the take-out window of
the local Burger King, and then sat around the table finishing their colas
while setting up the Monopoly game.

Clark really wasn't in the mood for a marathon game night, but he figured
that
he would lose quickly enough to get to bed early.  Lois would, of course,
fight tooth and nail to win, and most likely would be playing come morning.
Lucy disappeared into town in search of Jeff, and the others managed to
enjoy
themselves for the first couple of hours.

No one was more surprised than Clark when Lois suggested putting off the end
of the game.  She was considerably ahead, as usual, and it wasn't like her
to
release her death grip once she had decided to play a game.  The rest of
them
gratefully agreed, and they left the game as it was on the table to get
ready
for bed.

Once they had brushed their teeth and changed into night clothes, Lois and
Clark resumed their cuddling position on the bed.

[Mackteach]

Lois moved a little closer to Clark, grateful as always for his natural
warmth
and the security of his arms.  Yawning, she asked, "Well, you've survived so
far.  Still glad you married me?"

Clark nuzzled at her neck, "Lois, I will *always* be glad that I married
you."

Lois smiled.  "That's sweet, but you know what I mean."

Clark chuckled.  "Yeah, I know.  Let's just say that I have a better
appreciation for the person that you are, honey."

Lois turned in his arms and looked into his eyes.  "I'm the product of my
upbringing, Clark.  Just like you are."  She cupped the side of his face,
her
fingernails lightly raking along his throat.  "I wouldn't want to go through
all of it again, but at the same time I wouldn't change any of it."

Clark smiled softly.  "You are a wise and wonderful woman, Lois."

Lois returned his smile with one of her own.  "I know.  Now, kiss me and
show
me how much you love me."

As the moonlight streamed through the window, Clark smiled once again before
placing his lips over his wife's.

[zoomway]

The rest of what Lois had feared would be 'the lost weekend' finished
without
incident. Lois of course won the Monopoly game, and Sam kept saying
"kaching!"
in imitation of a cash register each time Lois bankrupted another player.

Ellen was out of the running early and so consoled Lucy about the loss of
Jeff, but was surprised Lucy wasn't quite as devastated as anticipated.  She
confessed she had been tired of pretending to like a vegetarian diet just
out
of deference to Jeff, whom she had found in Bayside scarfing down a Whopper
with cheese the night before.  And to think, she said indignantly, he had
lectured the family on the perils of red meat!

A rather beaten up, hand-painted taxi called "The Busy Bee" came to pick
Lucy
up first.  She'd take it into town and then catch a bus to the airport.

Lois hugged her. "You sure you're okay, Luce? You could come stay with me
and
Clark a while."

Lucy sighed into the hug. "I'm okay," she said, and lowered her voice. "One
day I'll have enough federal disasters to qualify for my own version of
Clark
Kent."

Lois pulled back from the hug and smiled. "You will."

Lucy then gave Clark a brief hug. "Keep her out of trouble."

"It's my mission in life," he laughed. "Have a safe trip."

As Lois and Clark watched the cab pull away,  Sam and Ellen stepped out onto
the porch.

Ellen sighed loudly. "I guess you two will be leaving now."

"I'm afraid so," Clark said. "We've got a long drive."

Ellen nodded and then hugged Lois, clutching her tightly. "Bye, baby, I love
you."

"I love you too, Mother," she said softly.

Ellen then hugged Clark. "Don't let her bully you too much."

"Actually I kind of like it," he laughed.

Then without warning and before Sam could react, Clark embraced Lois' father
-
the man who saved his life, but could never be thanked for that -  the man
who'd 'always wanted sons'. "Goodbye, Dad," Clark said.  Taking Lois' hand,
he
headed for the jeep.

Sam cleared his throat and sniffed. "Nice boy, that Clark Kent," he managed
to
say.

"Come on," Ellen said, and escorted Sam back into the beach house.

Clark closed the door for Lois and hopped into the driver's seat.  Lois
leaned
over and kissed him. "Thanks for that, Clark. For Daddy."

Clark buckled his seat belt. "Well, I said that when we were married, they'd
be my family too, and I meant it," he said, and then after listening a
moment,
laughed as he turned the ignition key.

"What?" Lois asked. "What are you laughing at."

"I don't think you want to know," Clark said, a wicked gleam in his eye.

"Clark, that bullying you're so fond of can start right now, if you like."

"Okay," Clark said, mock resignation in his voice. "It's just that there's
this rhythmic squeaking sound coming from the den, and--"

"Shut up and drive."

"Yes, ma'am," he laughed, and the jeep pulled away rapidly.

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[CrystalW]

She accepted Clark's kiss somewhat absently, and then stood to pull on her
robe.  Once she was presentable, she left the den in search of the bathroom.
She found it; unfortunately it was not unoccupied.  She encountered a
muscle-
bound blond who wasn't wearing a stitch of clothing.  She was still too
groggy
to be shocked, so she merely stepped past him as he left the bathroom and
closed the door once she was inside, but she did have the passing thought
that
this man's buns could never compete with her husband's

Once she had tended to her morning business and brushed her teeth, she left
the bathroom.  She considered going back to the den to dress, but instead
followed the voices that were coming from the living room.  She held the top
of her robe together as she followed her husband's laugh into the room.
What
she saw there did shock her, and she exclaimed, "Perry?!?"

[Eraygun]

"Hi there, darlin'," Perry said with a grin.  "Surprised to see me?"

"Stunned is more like it," Lois said as she moved to sit next to Clark on
the
couch.

"Now don't worry, Lois, honey.  I'm not here to upset your vacation, at
least
not completely. But I do need to borrow Clark here for a while."

"What?!"

"Lois, this storm is turning into a real nor'easter.  There are high surf
warnings up and down the coast."

"I know that, Chief ... but --"

"Don't worry, I don't want Clark to do simple weather coverage. This is
something much more important.  These weather conditions are just perfect
for
the Navy to finish testing Shockwave II.  Clark did the first story on that
and I  got a call this morning inviting the two of us out to the test ship
this morning.  There's a chopper waiting for us."

[Lansbury]

Just has Perry dropped the news of the helicopter onto Lois, he looked
around
as he heard Sam, Ellen, Lucy and Jeff enter the room.

"Perry, what brings you here?"  Ellen walked over to Perry and place her
hand
into his outstretched one.

"I'm here to kidnap your son-in-law for the afternoon.  I have a helicopter
waiting to take us out to a ship to witness a military test..."

As he was about to explain further, Ellen raised her other hand.  "Now, wait
a
minute.  This is a family weekend and it's going to stay that way."

"Ellen, don't stand in the way of Clark doing his job.  It sounds exciting
to
me.  I wish I could join them."

Ellen looked at her ex-husband, stunned.  "Well, if you find being on a ship
in a hurricane watching a bomb blow up better than being here with your
family
then GO!"

Sam looked at Perry.  "Got room for one more?"

"Sure, if that's really what you want to do, Sam."

"Let me get my rain slicker,"  Sam said.

Ellen stood beside Lois as both Clark and Sam walked towards the helicopter.
Sam stopped and turned as he was about to climb up into the chopper.
"Ellen,
have a good time with the girls."

Jeff came up behind the pair and said in a cheerful voice,  "Now how lucky
can
one man get but to have the company of the three most beautiful women in the
world all to himself for the whole afternoon."

Without missing a beat mother and daughter said in unison, "Stick it in your
*ear*, Jeff,"  and turned to walk back towards the beach house.

[Mackteach]

As Jeff watched the pair walk away, he ran his hand through his hair, a
puzzled look on his face.  "What?" he shouted after them.  "What did I do?"
He looked at Lucy who had come up to stand next to him.  "What did I do?"

Lucy smiled a bit wistfully and took his hand.  "Let me explain about the
Lane
women, sweetie ..."  Jeff half-listened to Lucy as they walked down to the
beach, occasionally looking back at the beach house.

As Lois poured herself a cup of coffee, she looked thoughtfully at Ellen
sitting at the table, reading the local weekly newsletter.  "Mother?"

"Hmmm?"

"What do you think of Jeff?"

Ellen answered as she continued to skim the sales ads.  "He's a tad too
smarmy
for me, but certainly better than anyone else that Lucy has dated."

Lois nearly choked on her coffee.  "Smarmy?!?!?"

Ellen put down the newsletter and looked at her eldest daughter.  "Smarmy.
Slick.  Pretentious.  Like that fellow on that TV show.  I keep waiting for
him to compliment me on my dress."

"You don't wear dresses.  You wear pantsuits."

"He still would have complimented me."  When Lois continued to stare in
amazement at her, Ellen sighed.  "Lois, don't forget, I was married to your
father.  Jeff doesn't have anything on Sam in the smarmy department."

"Daddy is *not* smarmy!!!"

Ellen snorted.  "Ask Mrs. Belcanto about that."

"Mother!"

"Lois!"  Ellen sighed again.  "You told me last night that I had a lot to do
with creating the Lois that Clark fell in love with.  I'm not as ditzy as
everyone seems to think I am."

Lois walked over to the table and sat next to Ellen.  She placed her hand
over
her mother's, the gesture surprising both of them.  "I never thought you
were
ditzy, Mom.  Just ..." Lois' voice trailed off as she tried to find the
correct words.

"Crazy?  Eccentric?  Cursed?"  Ellen smiled sadly, knowing that those were
some of the words she had heard used to describe her.

Lois sighed.  "No, Mother.  None of those.  You were just ... you."  When
Ellen didn't say anything to that, Lois quickly added, "Not that there's
anything wrong with that."

Ellen patted Lois' hand.  "I know what you're trying to say, Lois.  And I
appreciate it."

"Good."  Lois smiled crookedly.  "You knew about Mrs. Belcanto?"

Ellen chuckled.  "Even before Mrs. Belcanto did.  Your father was such a
charmer."  She winked at Lois.  "Still is.  When I let him."

"Mother!"

"Lois, do you really think you and Clark are the only ones in the whole
world
who have sex?"

Lois didn't even want to consider the ramifications of what Ellen had just
said.  The thought of her mother and her father ... she suppressed a
shudder.
"Well, I'd better get dressed."  She rose and headed toward the den.

"Lois?"

"Yes, Mother?"

Ellen's smile took on a mischievous look.  "How'd you like to put Jeff in
his
place?  And have a little fun?"

Lois'  smiled widened.  "Go on ..."

[zoomway]

"Your sister was never quite as ... strong and ... selective as you, Lois,
and
I worry--"

"Mom, hold it.  I almost married Lex Luthor."

Ellen nodded. "True, but he at least would have provided a handsome divorce
settlement--"

"If I survived the honeymoon."

"The point is," Ellen said, raising her voice. "You ended up making a
perfect
choice."

Lois' grin returned. "No argument there."

"Your sister, on the other hand, has seemed to purposely choose ... for lack
of a better word ... losers. Not even promising losers, but losers born to
be
losers."

Lois sighed. "It's that 'rescuer' thing in her. She thinks she can save
them,
bring out their potential, and they'll be grateful, but --"

"But she ends up with their footprints all over her instead."

"Exactly."

"So I was thinking that we could scare Jeff a little."

"Mother," Lois said flatly. "If what he's seen of us this weekend so far
hasn't done it, I can't think of anything else short of a flaming arrow in
the
chest that would  scare off Eddie Haskell."

"Oh, Lois, you're an amateur. You've been too long from the arena.  What
really scares a man who only wants to leech off of a woman?"

Lois thought a moment and then started ticking off items on her fingers.
"Commitment, getting a job, sharing income, having children --"

"Stop," Ellen said, admiring her daughter's long dormant battle scars. "The
last one will do."

"Oh, mother," Lois said, her eyes widening, and then her voice dropped to a
whisper. "I sort of love that."

"You go tell Jeff I'd like his advice on some vitamin supplements, or
rosehips, or whatever he pushes in his health food store, and I'll do the
rest.  You keep Lucy occupied."

Lois frowned. "I don't know ... Lucy will want to be with him, and--"

"Lois, the arena, remember?"

Lois nodded. "Right, I ask about Jeff --*all* about Jeff -- and God help me,
she will tell me."

Ellen patted Lois' shoulder. "It's a worthy cause."

Lois took a brave deep breath, the lines from A Tale of Two Cities going
through her mind and keeping her legs moving forward.

"Hey, Luce!" she shouted to the tangled bodies on the beach.  Lucy looked up
and waved, and Lois got some small amount of gratification from the
frustrated
grimace on Jeff's face.    "Mom would like to talk to Jeff about vitamin
supplements for something!"

Jeff nearly knocked Lucy into the surf in his haste to get up. He trotted
towards the beach house. "Always happy to help a lady in distress," he said
as
he passed Lois.

Lois would have paid good money for a trip wire right then,  but settled for
a
weak smile at Jeff - the soon to be departed Jeff - as he went like a lamb
to
the slaughter.

Lucy trotted up next, tagging after Jeff as predicted. "Not so fast, Luce,"
Lois said, grabbing her sister's arm. "I wanted to" -- she swallowed -- "ask
you about that hunk of yours."

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[Mackteach]

"Yes, you.  If we're gonna do this karaoke thing, then *everyone*
participates." To emphasize her point, Lois cocked one eyebrow and gave him
*that* look.

Clark winced, knowing that there was no getting around it.  He sighed.
"Okay
... but you're all gonna wish I hadn't ..."

Lois grinned and linked her arm through his.  Turning to Lucy and Jeff, she
shouted, "Let's go, you two!  Clark's about to make his stage debut as a
singer!"

"Lo-is!"

Lucy waved and grinned.  Pulling Jeff along, they caught up to Lois and
Clark.
A look passed between the two sisters.

"Once more ..." Lois started.

"... into the breach we go!"  Lucy finished.  With that, the Lane sisters
and
their partners joined their parents at the entrance to the karaoke bar.

[Missytoo]

The group made their way to the tables in the back of the room. They decided
that the singer on stage wasn't any better than... oh, say.. some pro
football
player... so they decided to have a round of drinks first.

"Make my lemonade, dear," Ellen reminded Sam.

Sam nodded, "Of course, sweetheart... and for the rest of us?"  He looked
around the table. "Beer okay?"  Everyone nodded.  The waitress was standing
behind Jeff, admiring his muscled shoulders.  Sam cleared his throat, and
she
said ... "Five beers and a lemonade.. right."

She strolled off, wiggling across the room to the bar.  Jeff's appreciative
stare wasn't lost on anyone at the table.  Lucy kicked him under the table
and
his head jerked back around front.

"Ow!  What was that for?"

Lucy just sighed, and rolled her eyes.

The singer at the mike finished, and the emcee stood up, leading the meager
applause.

"Come on, folks, let's give a big hand to the secretary from Ft. Meyers,
Florida."

Everyone at the table politely applauded, and the emcee glanced around the
tables, looking for a new victim.  He stepped off stage, and the spotlight
followed him toward the table .

"You all look like you're a talented bunch... any volunteers? Or do we have
to
get Lars the bouncer to help convince you?"

No one at the table laughed at the pitiful joke, and then he put his hand on
Lucy's arm.

"Come on, l'il lady, I bet you've got a great set of ... pipes on you."

 Jeff put his hand on the emcee's arm in warning.  Lucy shook her head, and
declined.
 Everyone in the restaurant started clapping and hooting, encouraging her to
get up and sing.

"I don't really sing too well, but my *sister*,  now she's got a terrific
set
of ... *pipes* on her.."
 Lucy grinned evilly as the spotlight focused on Lois sitting across the
table
>from her little sister.

The emcee managed to harass Lois just enough that when Sam urged, "Go on,
princess. Show 'em your stuff,"  she decided to do it just to make the silly
man with the microphone shut up.

Lois stood up, forcing herself to not react when Clark smiled and gently
patted her fanny as she stepped past him.

The lights went down and the only light in the room was the white hot
spotlight, so bright it made her squint slightly.  The strains of "Fever"
began, and Lois, locating Clark sitting in the dark, decided to give back a
little of the teasing he'd been dishing out.

She closed her eyes, and began.  The words just felt right and the movement
of
her body to the music was anything but innocent.

"Fever, when you kiss me, fever when you hold me tight.. "  Nothing she did
was obscene, just suggestive.  Clark was suddenly very thirsty and very glad
the beers and Ellen's lemonade had arrived.

Everyone picked up their glasses, and by the time the song was finished
they'd
all managed to make it through at least half of their respective drinks.

The crowd went wild as the music faded out, and Lois found herself facing an
adoring mob, begging for her to sing another.  Three songs later, she
claimed
to be parched and needing her beer, so someone else was "volunteered" for
the
next song and she made her way back to the table.

Ellen was sitting in her seat, smiling very softly, proud of her daughter.
"You know, I used to be able to sing.. but that was before my nursing career
called."

Lois looked at her, not sure if she was joking.  Ellen's voice was slightly
slurred, and Lois suspiciously picked up her glass. "Mother, this isn't
regular lemonade!"

[zoomway]

Sam grabbed the glass and took a sniff, and then sipped. "The only thing
wrong
with it is that it has lemonade in it and nothing else, but her medication
may
have kicked in."

"Right," Lois sighed. "The medicine she had to have doubled when I was
escaped
>from Death Row. It's not like I planned it," she said, glancing at Clark.

Clark coughed.  "Ellen, I'm sure you had a lovely singing voice. You
certainly
have a distinctive speaking voice," he said,  though 'screaming' voice had
actually popped into his head at that moment.

Ellen, made mellow by the medication, rested her chin on her hands and
stared
into Clark's eyes.  "How did I rate such a wonderful son-in-law?"

Clark put his arm around Lois. "She wakes up next to me every day."

Ellen got a bit misty-eyed, somewhat akin to the look of a 'crying drunk'.
"I
guess I owe the miraculous change in my daughter to Martha," she sniffed.
"The patient, perfect, 'I can bake and fix the sink at the same time'
mother."

Lois was about to speak when Sam put his arm around Ellen. "You were the
'cauterize a wound and give a tetanus shot at the same time mother'.  It all
evens out, honey."

Ellen nodded, wavering between logic and a tranquilizer buzz. "I suppose,"
she
conceded.  "But there was my drinking problem," she said, letting the
pharmaceutical pendulum swing her in the other direction.

"Mother," Lois said softly. "You beat that a long time ago, you raised two
girls by yourself, and held down a full-time job. You had a lot more to do
with creating the Lois Clark fell in love with than any other person on the
planet."

Clark smiled at his wife and agreed. The toughness against all odds - that
part of Lois - came from Ellen.

"Thank you, sweetie," Ellen said and before the pendulum began to swing the
other way, Sam stood up.

"How about we show these kids how to dance?"

Ellen, in more or less stable spirits, smiled broadly. "Love to," she said,
and started for the dance floor.  Sam reached down and touched Lois' cheek.
"Thanks, princess."

[ChrisM^]

Clark watched Lois watching her parents as they made their way to the dance
floor.  He could see a sheen of tears in her eyes and reached for her hand.

She turned towards him and returned his grasp with a slight smile on her
face.
"Thanks, Clark."

He brought her hand to his lips and kissed it lightly, then winked at her.
"Are we going to let your parents do all the dancing for this family?"

Lowering her eyes so he couldn't see how close she was to giggling, all she
could do was shake her head.  "Maybe later," he heard her murmur a bit
shakily.

Across the table Lucy, who obviously was not a prisoner of subtlety, was
pulling Jeff to his feet and demanding that he dance with her.  Lois and
Clark's eyes met, both surprised to find themselves suddenly alone.

"Are you thinking what I'm thinking," Clark heard the woman of his dreams
say.

******
Walking along the beach just at the edge of the surf, their shoes dangling
>from their fingertips and their arms intertwined, Clark leaned down to give
Lois yet another kiss.  "I like the way you think, Mrs. Kent."

"Why thank you, Mr. Kent," she replied with a guilty laugh.  She moved even
closer to him and he slowed his pace a little more.  Why rush a good thing?
"Just how long was it before they noticed we'd flown the coop, do you
think?"
she asked him.

"Eight minutes and seventeen seconds," he replied with certainty.

"How--?"

He gestured towards his ear and grinned that special Clark grin.

Lois laughed even harder.  "Well, as long as we can find something to occupy
us ..."

"That shouldn't be a problem," Clark interjected in a tone she had no
trouble
recognizing.

She shoved against him, pushing him further into the water and making him
laugh.  "... and, if we can get a laugh or two out of this once in a while,"
she continued, "maybe I can make it through the rest of this weekend all
right."

Clark reached for her and swung her up into his arms.  "I think we'll be
just
fine, sweetie."

Lois held on to his neck tightly, taking full advantage of these precious
moments alone with her husband.

"Me, too."

Later that night the rain began.

[CrystalW]

 *****

Lois awoke in her husband's arms, and was less than pleased to be reminded
that she was still in a beach cabin.  The rain was a continuous murmur
against
the window, and the sunrise was not nearly so beautiful as the day before.
She would have loved nothing more than to snuggle with her husband on a day
as
dismal as this, but that was unlikely given their location.

She rested her head against his chest, cuddling for a moment more into his
solid warmth.  He had left her only twice in the night to handle emergencies
caused by the sudden downpour, so she wasn't surprised that he was sleeping
in
a bit.  He had returned only a few hours ago from the second rescue and she
knew he must be tired.

The previous night had been a surprise.  They had walked back to the
restaurant in the rain, giggling as they rapidly became soaked.  The rain
had
been warm, and she had taken a bit of a tongue lashing from her mother about
wearing a blouse that became translucent when wet, but other than that the
evening had ended on a positive note.

If they had been alone Clark could have dried her easily enough, but that
would have been hard to explain to her parents.  Instead, she had worn her
sister's sweatshirt and placated her mother.

Once back at the beach house, she had been grateful to change, and even more
grateful that her mother's medication had taken full effect and sent the
woman
off to dreamland.  She loved her mother, she really did, but there was such
a
thing as too much of a good thing.

They had made an early night of it, and she had been thankful for the
privacy
of the den when Clark had made his first exit.  The roll-away bed had been
comfortable enough, and she had learned over time to sleep alone without
*too*
much difficulty.  Best yet, in between the inconvenient need for Superman
had
been a wonderful, loving night.  Thank goodness for levitation, though...
the
bed had a definite squeak.

Lois' warm pillow began to shift, move, and make strange noises.  She
vaguely
realized that she had begun to fall asleep atop her husband when he sat up
and
looked around the room with a shocked expression on his face.  She sat up
with
him, rubbing her eyes gently and watching his expression change gradually
from
shock to amusement

"You aren't going to believe who's here," he told her with a smile.

"Probably not," she replied with a sigh.  Her private weekend with her
husband
had turned into Grand Central Station, and Lois was not so amused.

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We're Having a Baby, My Baby and Me: An IRC Round-robin by:
 AMCiotola (amciotola@aol.com); ChrisM^ (mulders@mindspring.com); Eraygun
(Eraygun@aol.com); Lansbury (lansbury1@aol.com); Mackteach
(Mackteach@aol.com); Cerise; Zoomway (zoomway@aol.com)

[AMCiotola]

Oh, God, she thought, Clark, where are you? Lois sat back against the wall
in
the bathroom. When she had woken up, Clark's side of the bed was cold and
empty. She figured that he had gotten called during the early hours for a
rescue.

She had gone about her normal morning ritual and planned on meeting him at
the
office.  She even managed to make herself an edible breakfast,  more than
her
usual coffee and bagel. This morning she'd made herself  'Eggs a la Katie
Banks'.  But after arriving at work she'd begun to regret eating all that
she
had, and made a bee-line for the ladies room.

She felt a little weak.  Even after calling Clark's name softly a few times,
there was no knock on the door from him.  He must not be in yet, she
thought,
since she'd expected he would have heard her. She decided she would just
lean
against the cool wall for few minutes.  Boy, she scolded herself, this is
what
you get for eating those oysters with Clark despite the fact that you don't
like them very much.

She thought back to last night's dinner.  It had been the first night in
over
a week they had finally had time together.

[ChrMul^]

In fact, the past few weeks had been extremely busy for both of them.  It's
a
good thing they'd been able to get in some "quality time" when they were
together.  Thinking of a few of those times could make her smile now ... in
spite of how she was feeling.

Well, she decided, she couldn't stay in the ladies room all day.  There was
a
paper to get out, after all.  She made her way back to her desk, making a
silent vow to never mix eggs and oysters together in the same 12-hour period
ever again.

By the time Clark returned from the latest rescue she was feeling a bit
better
and so decided not to share her unpleasant experience with him.  He'd only
worry and, since she knew what the problem was and how to fix it, there
wasn't
any need to worry him.

However, once he'd left again ... this time on legitimate Daily Planet
business ... she found herself feeling unwell once more.  What could be
going
on?

She went to make herself a cup of coffee, but as soon as she smelled it, she
just couldn't bring herself to drink it.  She wasn't sure where the idea for
an alternate solution to her situation came from, but all of a sudden she
was
pretty darn sure that what was happening to her had absolutely nothing with
either eggs or oysters coming back to haunt her.

Oh ... my ... God, she thought.  I can't be!

She did some calculations.  On second thought, maybe I can be.

Well, of course, I can be ... I mean it's possible ... lots of women do it
...
and it's not like Clark and I haven't been, you know ... Good grief!  Now
I'm
babbling in my head!

She looked around for her husband, but he hadn't yet returned.

She was resisting the urge to break into a face-splitting grin.  Clark was
going to be a daddy, and she would get to tell him.  She couldn't wait to
see
his face.  Forcing her own face to behave itself, she tried to look
professional, competent and business-like as she tried to get back to work.
All she succeeded in doing, though, was to sit in front of her blank
computer
screen until Perry happened to stroll by.

[Eraygun]

"You know, darlin', that screen would be a whole lot more interesting if it
had copy on it."

Lois looked up. "What, Perry?"

Perry sighed. "Lois, I think we need to have a little talk. Why don't you
join
me in my office."

Lois nodded and dutifully followed Perry into his office, mentally preparing
herself for one of his famous lectures.

So she was more than a little surprised when instead of lecturing her Perry
said,"So how far along are you, and does Clark know yet?"

"What?!  You know that I'm ... or that I could be ...."

Perry nodded.

"But how? I only just put the pieces together myself," Lois said
incredulously.

[Lansbury]

Perry came around the desk and put his arm around Lois' shoulder.  "Honey,
don't you know by now I can read you like a book?  I saw your face as you
made
a mad dash to the ladies room.  I haven't seen that look since my poor Alice
was expecting our first.  She would get as green as you looked."

"Perry, I just put two and two together about five minutes ago.  I don't
know
how it happened."

Perry gave a loud laugh as he pushed her into the brown leather wing-back
chair.  "Oh, honey. Maybe your Momma failed you by not giving you that talk
before the honeymoon."

"Perry! You know what I mean."

"I do, honey, but I love seeing you like this."

"What do you mean, like this?"

"Now, don't take this wrong, 'cause you know I love you like a daughter, but
now someone else is going to be calling all the shots for...I don't know,
maybe the next eighteen years.  If you're lucky that is."

The full consequences of what was happening hit her like a brick wall
falling
on her.  "I don't think I'm ready.  What if I screw up and I'm the kind of
mother like the one I had?"  She looked at Perry, her expression full of
worry
and doubt.

"Now get those crazy thoughts out of your head right now.  You'll be
wonderful, and Clark ... my God! Clark will be flyin' higher than a kite on
a
windy March day."

A smile lightened her face once again as she thought about Clark.  Oh, Clark
I
can't thank you enough for being the father of my child, she thought to
herself.  But to Perry she said, "Clark will be an excellent father.  But
not
a word to him about any of this until I take a pregnancy test.  Remember,
mum's the word."

"You have my word I won't tell anyone about what we've just discussed."

Just then there was a light knock on the door.  Clark came in and said,
"What
are you promising not to talk about, Chief?"

[Mackteach]

Lois threw a glance at Perry, not exactly sure how much of their
conversation
Clark had overheard.  Perry cleared his throat, his hand coming up to cover
the grin that was threatening to break out on his face.

"Ah ... Perry wanted to ... uh ... that is ..."

Clark waited, his gaze shifting between Lois and Perry.  Something was up,
of
that he was sure.  Lois usually wasn't this tongue-tied, and Perry looked
like
the cat that had swallowed the canary.

Inspiration finally hit Perry.  "It's just that I wanted you and Lois here
to
come over for dinner

"And ... that's the big secret?"

Lois picked up on what Perry had said.  "It is... because ..."  She looked
at
Perry.

Clark prompted her.  "Because ...?"

Perry cleared his throat once more.  "Because Alice is going to be there."

"Right!"  Lois turned to Clark.  "Alice is going to be there."

"Uh huh."  Clark still wasn't convinced ... of anything.

Perry elaborated further.  "Alice and I have been spending some time
together
.. and well, this is the first time I'm gonna be cooking and ..."

Clark finished Perry's thought.  "... and you want Lois and me there ... to
help out."

Lois beamed at Clark before looking at Perry.  "See?  I told you he'd figure
it out."  With her head turned away from Clark, she threw a look of relief
at
Perry.

"So ... when and what time, Perry?"

"Uh ... I don't have all the details worked out yet, Clark.  But I'll let
Lois
know."

Clark nodded.  "Okay."  He looked at Lois.  "I'm gonna go write up
Superman's
latest rescue."

Lois nodded.  As she watched Clark leave the office and go toward his desk,
she breathed a loud sigh of relief.  "This isn't going to be easy," she
muttered.

She felt Perry pat her shoulder sympathetically.

[zoomway]

Lois squared her shoulders and left Perry's office. She was stopped a moment
by the sight of Clark's back as he sat at his desk. He was going to be a
father. That man she had called a 'hack' from 'nowheresville'. Mr.
Greenjeans
would be changing diapers.  It was so odd all of a sudden to think of that.
She had always reassured Clark that he would be a good father, and she knew
he
would be ... but he looked so ... young suddenly.

She laughed to herself as she lost his momentary profile when he turned back
to the screen. No, he didn't look too young. He was all grown up.  But what
about me? she thought. No, she chided herself. Banish those thoughts until
months after reading books, going to natural childbirth classes ... She
winced.  I'll put that thought on hold, too. The important thing is *how* to
tell Clark... and when ... oh, and to make sure it's true first.

She sighed with relief now that she had procrastinated every major terror
for
later. Until she had proof, it was a suspicion and nothing more.

She put her hand on Clark's shoulder. "I've got to make a quick trip to the
drugstore."

"Okay, honey," Clark said, without looking up. "What do you need at the
drugstore?"

"Uh ... well, we're out of vitamins.  I mean, you don't need them, but--"

"Picked some up this morning," Clark said cheerfully.

"That's so ... thoughtful."

He smiled up at her. "I know."

She patted his cheek. "Must have had a sale on 'smug' too."

Clark laughed. "I got that with green stamps."

"Well," Lois said, trying to vamp another good reason. "I also need--"

"Honey, can you hold that thought?"

"What is it?"

"Multi-car pileup near the turnpike."

"Okay," she smiled. "Be careful."

"Always," he said, and kissed her goodbye.

Well, that solved the excuse-making for going to the drugstore.  She picked
up
her purse.  Be careful. She smiled to herself. What a strange admonition for
Superman, but she always meant it.  He was a target so often she'd begun to
see the S shield as a bulls-eye.

She glanced over her shoulder as she exited the Planet lobby.  She would go
to
the drugstore on Walnut instead of Kinsey. No one would know her there. She
didn't want to invite the obvious questions and avoiding the usual shopping
area was the logical choice.

[AMCiotola]

She parked the Jeep and headed inside the fairly small drugstore. So small,
in
fact, that you could almost see where everyone in the store was.  She scoped
the place out and didn't see any familiar faces. Good, she thought. She
wanted
to keep as low key as possible.

She headed over to the aisle with the feminine products and found several
different types of home pregnancy tests.

She picked up one and then another, reading and comparing them. She was so
involved in making sure she chose the best one that she didn't hear when
someone else walked up behind her.

"Lois?"

She nearly jumped out of her skin.  Recovering from her scare, she turned
and
looked with relief at the smiling face of the woman behind her.

"Star!"  Lois had not seen her former neighbor in quite a long time.

"I just knew it. Something in my head told me I would find you here."

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[zoomway]

He entered the French windows, and closed them quietly. He didn't smell any
donuts, but he had seen Lois via x-ray vision upstairs.  Searching the
refrigerator, pantry and oven, and still finding no donuts, he wondered if
he
should just fly back out and pick some up. Once Clark had a taste for
donuts,
even pasta was a poor rival.

[AMCiotola]

As quiet as Clark had tried to be, Lois had heard him come home. She was
going
to suggest a quiet dinner that evening before breaking the news to him and
she
didn't want Clark to find out before then, so she immediately began clearing
away all evidence of the pregnancy tests. She tied the small garbage bag and
threw it out the bathroom window.  In her haste she failed to notice that
the
little stick telling her she was about to venture down the road to
motherhood
had fallen beside the waste basket onto the floor.

Exiting the bathroom, she saw him enter the bedroom.

"There you are. I've been looking all over for you." He pulled her to him
and
captured her in a quick, but satisfying kiss.  "I've been wanting to do that
all morning."

She returned his kiss enthusiastically. "Mmmmm."

She was so excited about how Clark would feel she almost blurted the news to
him right then and there. She pulled away from him. "Well, you had a very
busy
morning, why don't you take a shower and lets go for some lunch before
heading
back to the Planet."

"Lunch? But Perry said you were going out for some donuts."

"Oh? Well I..." but Lois never had the chance to finish.

Clark cut her off. "Lois, I have to go, A donut shop has been bombed and I
need to go...Love you."  With a quick kiss, he was off once more to help out
as he always did when such tragedies happen.

[Eraygun]

Lois waited about a half hour for Clark to return. Then realizing that there
was almost nothing in their refrigerator after her culinary exploits earlier
in the day she decided to head to the store and then back to the Planet.

She jotted a quick note to Clark and hurried out to the Jeep. She couldn't
help but smile to herself as she walked,  "Clark is going to be so happy
when
he finds out. I can't wait until tonight."

*****

[Lansbury]

Clark made it back to the Daily Planet before Lois.  He was on his way to
get
a cup of coffee and a leftover donut when he felt a hand touch him on the
back.  As he began to turn around he heard, "Hello, Clark. I see you haven't
gotten enough of donuts yet?   How long have you been married now?  I
thought
maybe Lois would have taken the desire for them away from you."

Clark put the cup down as he took one arm and put it around Cat Grant.
"This
is a surprise! What are you doing back in town?"

"I'm on the way to the west coast for an interview with Nicholas Gage.  It
seems he just lost the role of a lifetime and I got him to commit to an
interview. The poor soul is heartbroken."

"You always could ferret out a great interview, Cat."

"Now I have about an hour before I have to leave on my connecting flight,
so,
tell me ... how is married life treating you?  Ready to take a plunge on the
wild side of life?"

"I take care of all his plunging, thank you very much, Cat."

"Lois, long time no see."

Each woman gave the other a mock embrace.

"Cat was just telling me she is headed for the west coast and dropped by to
say hello to her friends at the Daily Planet."

He began to walk the women to the reception area near Perry's office.  Under
her breath he could hear Lois say, "That's going to take all of three
minutes
tops."

Cat spent the next forty-five minutes meeting and greeting her former co-
workers.  As she was about to leave she pulled Lois to the side.  "Lois, are
you all right?  You look a little pale and under the weather."

"Cat, believe me, I don't have one foot in the grave and the other on a
banana
peel."

"Lois, this is me you're talking to.  I've seen you covered in mud from a
garage dump looking better that you do today."

"Thanks for the concern but I'm fine, really.  Just a little tired."

Both women looked at each other. For the first time in all the years they
had
known each other they parted with a smile and the words that they would get
together soon.

Clark looked at Lois, "What was that all about?  An hour ago I thought I was
going to have to hold you two apart. Just now you acted like lifelong
friends."

Lois reached up and patted Clark on the cheek, "People change, my love," she
said, and walked to her desk.

"Lois, something has you in one mellow mood.  I like it!"

Lois looked at her computer screen and began to make a list of everything
she
needed for tonight.  This is going to be the best surprise you have ever
gotten, she thought.

*****

[cerise]

The rest of the afternoon passed slowly.  Actually, that was an
understatement.  For Lois the hours passed at glacial speed.  Despite her
plans she still had great difficulty not rushing over to Clark and just
blurting out the news.  Luckily, though, Superman again came to her rescue.

Lois saw Clark lift his head with "that look", and Lois met his eyes and
smiled.  He gave her an answering, almost apologetic smile and made their
little flying gesture.  She nodded, and he quickly left.

Perry stepped out of his office.  Noticing Lois, he stalked over to her
desk.

"What in the Sam Hill are you still doing here, kiddo?"

"Nothing, I..."  Lois began to answer, but he interjected, "Lois, now come
on.
Get out of here."

Even as he was speaking, Lois was putting papers in drawers and logging off
of
her computer.  She'd been hoping to leave early anyway, and this just saved
her making excuses, or God forbid, begging.

She stood, gave Perry a kiss on the cheek, and said, "Whatever you say.
Clark's checking out a source.  If he comes back..."

"I'll send him home, honey.  Now scat."

Lois grinned and walked to the elevator, mentally planning her shopping and
the preparation for the night ahead.

[zoomway]

Lois stepped into the market and wondered who she'd meet now -- about the
only
people she hadn't run into were Claude, Dan and the ghost of Lex Luthor.
She
turned down the aisle with baby products, though she'd promised herself she
wouldn't.  There were things for cleaning, oiling, upholstering and feeding
them. She began to think of her pregnancy test as the ignition key to a new
car.

Every supermarket aisle had its own distinctive smell, and this one smelled
of
talcum powder.  How strange. When she used to hang out on the waterfront
waiting for a source, talc was the smell in dimly lit pool halls. She picked
up a jar of baby food and looked at the beaming infant.

"Oh, God," she whispered. "Can I really do this?"

She put the jar back, and then hurried on to the other aisles, scarfing up
the
items she'd come for.  Then she was struck with an idea.  She grabbed a
blank
video tape.

"Kryptonian parents may have talking globes to speak to their kids years
later, but a T-120 Panasonic is just as good," she said to herself, dropping
the tape on the counter. "This way no matter how I screw up, the baby will
know I tried my best."

After getting home, without a traffic stop this time, Lois unloaded the bags
and started removing pots and pans from the cabinet. Each cooking implement
she picked up, she stared at sternly and said, "No double-crosses today, ya
got that?"

She let some onions saute and loaded the video camera.  She turned it on.
"Okay, this is just a test to see if I set this up right," she said, and
then
noticed the little red light wasn't glowing.

"Great," she sighed. "My entire day has been directed by Woody Allen.
Okay,
maybe I just need to put the battery in the charger.  I have about 8 months
to
confess my crimes, so somewhere in between the camcorder should work."

She went back and stirred the onions. "I love that smell. It's somewhere
right
after that the dinner goes down the drain. Maybe Clark wouldn't mind just
eating sauted onions ... I'm talking to myself again. That's where the baby
will come in handy. I won't look completely insane. I can just say I'm
talking
to the baby."

[AMCiotola]

While Lois was cooking downstairs, Clark had finished up with his latest
rescue. He came in through the upstairs window and landed in the bedroom. He
could smell the dinner Lois was preparing and decided maybe another shower
would be appropriate before he joined her.

He picked up on her singing softly to herself. He could swear it was a
childhood lullaby. A quick x-ray showed him that she was taking special care
about how the dining room looked. She had even changed into a simple
burgundy
dress, one of his favorites.

After spinning out of the suit, he headed toward the bath with the intention
of making it a quick shower.  Less than five minutes later he stood at the
sink and pushed back his hair, leaning in to reflect his heat vision to
shave.
Something lying on the floor caught his eye.

He bent down to take a closer look.  He stared at the small stick before it
finally registered what he was holding.

He x-rayed the floor once more to look at Lois. She was positivley glowing.
Oh
my God, Clark thought, she's pregnant!

[Eraygun]

Spinning dry and into his clothes Clark =whooshed= downstairs.

As he reached the kitchen doorway he overheard Lois talking. Quietly he
pushed
open the door to see Lois standing with her back to the doorway looking into
their video camera.

She cleared her throat experimentally. "Okay, I hope this works this time,"
she said nervously. "Hi there, this is your mom talking ... or at least I
will
be. Oh, God that sounds *so* dumb!  I have got to be able to say something
better than that. I'm a reporter-- I earn my living with words!"

"Maybe I can help?" Clark said from behind her.

[Lansbury]

Lois froze as she heard his voice behind her.  She did not turn around but
stood there as she sensed him moving towards her.  She felt him slip his
arms
around her waist and pull her back to him.  She moved her head instinctively
to the side as he began to place soft butterfly kisses along her neck and up
to her cheek.

She moved in his arms until she was facing him.  "There's something I want
to
tell you, something we both thought wouldn't happen but it has." The more
she
spoke tears began to form in the corner of his eyes. "I haven't gone back to
figure the exact day or time but a little over six weeks ago you and I not
only made love, we made a new life."  Lois very quietly continued to speak.
"Clark, we're going to have a baby."

Lois gently brushed the tears from his eyes as she felt him pull her into a
strong but gentle embrace.

Clark whispered in her ear, "We're having a baby, my baby and me!"  He
lifted
her into his arms and moved toward the swinging door, neither one seeing the
camera had caught everything that had just taken place.

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We're Having a Baby, My Baby and Me
Continued from Part 1
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[Eraygun]

"I was going to ask you how married life was treating you ..." Star eyed the
packages in Lois' hand, "...but based on what you're doing, I'm pretty sure
that's not necessary."

Lois blushed. "Well ... er ... I was just picking this up for a friend."

Star raised one eyebrow. "Lois, that little static problem of yours hasn't
gotten any better over the last few years, but I can still read you like a
book.  That test is for you, admit it," Star said, giving Lois a huge grin.

Lois nodded and returned Star's grin with one of her own.

"Girlfriend, this is the best news I've had in a long while. But, tell me,
what does Superman have to do with this?"

[Lansbury]

Lois looked as startled as a doe at night in caught in the headlights of an
on
coming semi.  "What?  What did you say?"

 "I said what does Superman have to do with this little box?"

"Well, he's a good friend of Clark's and mine and I thought he might come
along and see me in here and go and tell Clark what he saw and I don't want
Clark to know until I'm sure and I want to be..."

"Whoaaaa! Slow down there, girl.  I can see you still are the Queen of all
Babblers."

Lois and Star both laughed.  "I guess what it all boils down to is I want to
be the one to tell Clark.  I don't want him to hear it from a third person."

Star placed her hand on Lois' arm.  "I understand completely."  Star looked
at
the watch on Lois' wrist and gave a small cry.  "I have to get back for my
next appointment.  Let's get together soon and have lunch. Once the news is
out."

Star turned to leave the small store but stopped near the entrance and said
in
a stage whisper,  "Lois, don't you know lying is bad for the baby?  It's
picking up on some bad vibes."  She smiled and left the store before Lois
could say a word.

Jeeez, just get me out of here before I meet anyone else I know, she
thought.
She looked at the directions on each box and stared in total confusion.
Which
would be the best to test for a half human/half Kryptonian baby? She finally
decided to buy three, thinking that if two of three showed she was pregnant
-
then she was.

Lois headed for the checkout and was standing in line when out of the corner
of her eye she saw Ralph.  "Oh, my Lord. Please don't let him see me!"  Lois
pulled the boxes closer to her chest, trying to hide what she was carrying
as
she moved up next to the counter.

"Lady, did you just say something?" said the elderly cashier in a loud voice
that caused some of the shoppers to turn and look in her direction.

"No, no, not a word," she said as she quickly pushed the boxes towards the
man. "I'm in a hurry. Got to get my to my job. Could you please hurry?"

The cashier gave her a look that said 'hold your horses, missy.'  He picked
up
the first box and turned it over and over looking for the price.  "Now,
where
in tarnation did they put that price?"

Pulling the microphone to his lips, he announced. "Georgie ... Price check
on..."  Lois' hand shot to the microphone before he could say another word.

"Ahh ... Georgie, cancel that price check."

The cashier looked at Lois. "Lady, if you want it, I have to know what to
charge you."

Lois looked frantically at the other two boxes. "I'll just take these two."

As she was making her getaway a voice stopped her dead in her tracks.  "Hey,
Lois, what you got in that bag?"

She looked over her shoulder and saw Ralph hot on her trail.

[Mackteach]

Ralph jogged up to Lois, huffing and puffing.  "Y'know, for a girl, you have
a
pretty long stride."  He hunched over, his hands on his knees, trying to
catch
his breath.

Lois gritted her teeth.  "So ... how's the dog show coverage going?  I hear
there's a cat show at the armory this weekend, too."

Ralph swallowed as he finally caught his breath.  "Ha ha.  Very funny, Lois.
Just because *you* get all the scoops.  What's in the bag?"

As Ralph tried to peek inside the bag, Lois made sure it was closed.  "What?
You're working for the Whisper on the side?  None of your business."

"Come on, Lois.  I know you don't usually cover this side of the city."
Ralph
sidled up to her and whispered conspiratorially, "Working on something?"

Lois smiled tightly.  "You might say that."

Ralph started to whine.  "Aw, come on, Lois!  Throw me a bone here!  You
don't
know how *boring* those dog shows are!"

Lois' smile widened just a little.  "A bone, Ralph?  Those assignments *are*
getting to you."

Ralph sighed, his shoulders slumping.  "Okay, okay.  So don't share your
information."  He brightened as an idea came to him.  "I'm a reporter.  I
can
figure it out for myself."

Good luck, Lois thought.  "Fine.  Then do that."  Lois turned away and
started
walking away from him, leaving Ralph standing at the corner, scratching his
head.

She turned the corner and leaned against the building.  She let out the
breath
she had been holding as she had walked away and willed her heartbeat to slow
back down to normal.

"I have *got* to tell Clark."  With that thought said out loud, she headed
back to where she had parked the Jeep.

[zoomway]

Lois performed a screeching bootlegger turn into traffic.  If metal could
cringe, oncoming automobiles would have leaped out of the way. Lois sped
towards the townhouse.  She didn't want to risk being caught with the bag at
the Planet.  She was making good time, apparently *very* good time, because
a
siren started up behind her.

"God," she sighed. "I took the Hell off-ramp today!"

Lois shook her head and eased the Jeep to the curb.  She looked into the
side
mirror. "The macho 'walk-up'.  He probably wears sunglasses at midnight
too."

"License and registration," a very 'un-macho' voice said.  Lois handed the
items to the officer who seemed too young to shave.

The officer started filling in blanks on the citation. "You were exceeding
the
speed limit by 31 miles per hour, ma'am."

"It actually sounds worse than it is. I mean it was a 35 mile zone, so I was
mainly doing the legal speed limit everywhere but that stretch of Twilight
Zone that hasn't had the limit changed since Prohibition!"

"It's in front of the historical Metropolis district, ma'am."

Lois leaned over and looked through the passenger window. "You call a red
brick building with busted windows and rusted fire ladders 'historic'?  Pre-
historic maybe, and a standing monument to condemned buildings everywhere,
but
certainly not--"

"Here's your copy, ma'am. Have a nice day."

Lois grabbed the paper and threw it into the glove compartment. She was glad
the officer left before the other citations came tumbling out. She pulled
back
onto the street and managed to reach the townhouse without further incident.

She hurried up the steps and into the bathroom, and opened the first box, or
rather 'tried' to open the box.

"If the safety seal has been broken, do not use this product," she read
aloud.
"I couldn't break the seal with a chain saw!"  She reached into the drawer
and
pulled out the scissors. She began cutting ... and cutting .. and cutting.
Finally the box lost the tense battle. Lois pulled out a tray of miniature
objects and reams of instructions.

She unfolded the cumbersome sheet of instructions. "Ah," she sighed
triumphantly. "Illustrations!"  She grabbed an object that looked a bit like
a
plastic thermometer and then glanced back at the photo. "They've got to be
kidding."

[Eraygun]

The other box and its instructions were equally hair-raising but, undaunted,
Lois charged ahead and thirty minutes later she was sitting on the floor of
their bathroom with a huge smile on her face.  Well, that settles that, she
thought happily.   Now comes the hard part -- how to tell Clark. It had to
be
something romantic and warm and above all *special*.  As *special* as he
made
her life, as he made her feel every day since he'd told her that he loved
her.

But what could she do?

*****

Clark looked over at Lois' desk and then back at his watch. "Where is she?"
he
mumbled.

[Lansbury]

He had just finished the story he was working on, so he took the hard copy
of
it into Perry's office.  "Here's the Superman 'rescue of the day' piece,
Chief."  A smile played at his lips as Perry's forehead puckered up at the
rhyme he had just made.

"Kent, I don't like rhymes so keep them to a minimum."

Clark's smile widened as he was about to make another but he stopped
himself.
Instead he asked, "Do you know where Lois was going after the drugstore?
She's been gone over a hour and a half."

Perry looked at Clark. "She mentioned to me she wanted to stop at the
bakery.
I told her I really needed a good donut."

Donuts, thought Clark. I wonder if she'll get me one or two, or better yet
three, loaded with cream filling that oozes when you bite into them.  Clark
felt his heart quicken at the thought of Lois and donuts.  He licked his
lips
in anticipation of what she was going to give him.

[zoomway]

"Clark?"

"Yes, Chief?" Clark asked, but his distant gaze remained in place.

"Your eyes are kind of glazed."

"Yeah, glazed are good too, but those cream-filled donuts ..."

Perry smiled and patted Clark's back. "I'll edit this piece, and get it on
to
copy."

Clark blinked and then blushed. "Right.  I ... I think I'll try and find
Lois."

Perry shook his  head as one of his two best reporters left his office.
Always
trust a man who knows his donuts.  At that heady moment, one of the lesser
members of the staff entered.

"What's up, Ralph?"

Ralph leaned his palms on Perry's desk. "Why do Lois and Clark get all the
good stories?"

"That's like asking why the high bidder wins at the auction, Ralph," Perry
said gruffly.

"But what's this secret assignment Lois is on?  Why a drugstore? We talking
Special K? Rufies? Some shady dealing on Walnut Street?"

Perry, never a patient man, made no exception for Ralph, or perhaps less an
exception for Ralph.  "I do need someone to work that story with Lois,"
Perry
shrugged. "She shouldn't try handling it alone, and Kent is busy right now,
but--"

"Me, Chief! Please!"

"Okay, Ralph, you're it."

"Yes!"

"Now, as you noticed, it does have to do with drugs--"

"I *knew* it!"

"Uh ... right.  Anyway, this is a consumer test.  There've been rumors about
laxatives ..."

*****

Clark drifted up above the city. He was checking spots he felt Lois might
be.
He checked out Ginny's Holy Donut Palace, Hole in Yum, Those Were the Glaze,
and even Donut Decadence, but Lois was nowhere to be found.  He was
disappointed, but tried bakeries that didn't specialize in donuts next.
Lois
was in none of them.

Clark headed on toward the townhouse. Maybe she'd already picked up the
donuts
and had taken them home.  Even better. Sharing donuts with Lois had become
...
an intoxicating ritual.

Continued in part 3
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>Hello folcs:
>It's been awhile since I posted anything, but I was thinking of this
>last night and I just had to get this out of my system.
>I know all fanfic writers like feedbacks, wheather it's complimentary
>of disparging. I admit as a writer, I'd like feedbacks. (although I've
>only written two fanfics)
>However, as a reader, I hesitate to send feedbacks to the authors, no
>matter how good the story is. Because I don't know what to write to
>them. Should I just say: Hi there, I really like/love you story or
>should I describe in details what I like/love about it?

Grace wrote the above and I continue:

First the icky stuff -- it doesn't happen on this list (or on the archives
much) any more, but if a person hasn't even waved a spellcheck in their
story's general direction that tells me two things:
1) the author is very young and new to the biz; or
2) the author is under the mistaken impression that a brilliant story makes
up for the incomprehensibilty resulting from a lack of
grammar/spell-check/paragraph breaks.

If I have the time, I'll send them a line by line correction. If the story
idea (so far as I make out) is promising, I'll tell them so, and add
they'll get a better audience if they follow the basic grammar rules. And I
always say, if I come across a particular error (like run-on sentences,
someone stop me now!) that it was an error *I* committed for years and have
recently just stopped doing it. (Well, sometimes. :))

If I don't, I delete it and hope someone else does.

Onto the good stuff. Me as a writer loves *any* kind of feedback. Ok, so
I've had a couple of strongly worded edits that, after I had read it
through, I had to put aside and walk away from for a bit before coming back
to it. But if they're from people whose writing I respect then I listen.
(/me waves to Kathy and Pam) Most of the time *grin*. Comments like "Your
story sux." (end message) leads me to reply: "Why did it suck? Tell me how
so I can make it better." I usually don't get an answer, or one similar to
the first.

But frankly, even comments like "I loved your story!!!!" (end message) are
fine with me. I know that:
a) someone's read it;
b) someone liked it (yay!)

The reason why isn't so important to me because my next project is likely
to be different in tone and scope, so long as the people continue to
enjoy/relate to the way I draw the characters -- then so long as they've
enjoyed it, I've achieved that.

Leanne

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Hi everyone,

I know this is a subject that has probably be discussed to death *but*
.. why did L&C end? Was it because the subject matter had become dull
and boring to most non-FOLCs?

I'm in the UK and I don't know who the producers, creators or ABC
listened to when axeing the show .. was it the American public or all
public all over the world?

Maybe I'm just going through Lois and Clark withdrawl ..

By the way .. for all those in the UK .. Dean Cain is going to be on The
National Lottery tonight alongside Mindy McCready .. I guess wherever
she is he is too ... and also he is in a film Dog Boys on Channel 5 on
Monday at 9pm .. you better double check on that ok :-)

C U,

Angee
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Regina said:
>>I try to always send feedback to an author when I've really enjoyed a
story; however, when I've thought a fic was so-so, or I didn't like it at
all, I don't send feedback. I figure they've put effort into it, and taste
is very subjective. I do agree with Sandy (?) or whoever said what they did
about spelling, grammar, etc...those kinds of errors (numerous, gross
mistakes....everyone makes typos once in a while...or when an author makes
the same mistake over and over) really turn me off and I won't even finish
reading a story. I have to admit, I've seen *many* of these. I don't *try*
to catch mistakes...they just jump right out at me, and it's not because I'm
an English teacher, either (math, for those who care :)<<

No, actually Laurie was the one who brought up the grammar issue, although
it doesn't thrill me either to read stories filled with lots of easily
correctable errors.

As for feedback, I don't care if it's positive or negative, I just want it
public!  (You know that old saying about there being no bad press or good
press, just get the name right.... I think I just mixed together two old
sayings.<g>  Well, you get the point.)  I'll be honest here.  I love
receiving private feedback, but if someone has something to say about one of
my stories and they have a forum such as this, why not put it out there!
Hey, if you like it, let others know.... Saves me from tootin' my horn.  If
you don't like it....  I don't care.  At least, we're talking about it.
Besides, I'm more than capable of defending my stories or even admitting
where I was wrong.
There's gotta be stuff wrong.  I don't know what in the heck I'm doin'!

>>At 01:35 PM 7/17/98 -0400, Sandy wrote:
On to another topic:  A Fanfic Idea:  Suppose Lex had gotten married again,
as happened in Season 5.  Suppose from that marriage a little Luthor is born
who is not necessarily a bad person.  (I mean, genes aren't everything.)
Now suppose L&C also have a child of the opposite sex from the Luthors'....
And, furthermore, say they don't know about each other, meet by chance, and
fall in love -- sort of like Romeo and Juliet.  Don't you think *that* might
be interesting. Instead of the Montagues and Capulets, we have the Kents and
the Luthors dealing with their children falling in love with the "enemy".
Intriguing, I think.<<

Beverly said:
>The reason it never got off the ground as a story though was that I could
never decide on which gender roles would work best - i.e. which progeny
should be male or female, the Kent or the Luthor? The dynamics could vary
considerably depending on which was chosen. A male Kent and female Luthor
could play out just like a repeat of Lois and Clark's story but with some
major changes mainly because the obvious assumption is that a male child of
theirs would be more like Clark than Lois. Could be true, but it also might
not be and the results could be very interesting when the unknown of a
female Luthor is taken into consideration.<

Yes, I think gender roles would make a difference, based more upon people's
stereotypical views of males and females more than anything else.  For
instance, if the girl was a Kent, I could see Clark freaking out bigtime
because he would tend to be terribly protective of his "little girl".  And
the name Luthor would set his blood boiling no matter how on the up and up
the young man was.  I still remember the way Clark would say the Luthor name
with such invective.  Lois might be more open to it if her daughter confides
in her and she meets the guy, and.... Well, you remember the excuses she
used to rattle off for Lex, and she *knew* he wasn't a choirboy.

As for the assumption that a male Kent would be more like Clark, I don't
necessarily see that.  In my stories about Lois and Clark's children, I've
made the point that their son is much more like Lois in personality.  And,
if he has superpowers too ... well,  that's going to make for an explosive
combination.

>>However, change it to a female Kent and a male Luthor and suddenly there
are completely new dimensions to the characters because a really big
question arises. The natural assumption is to make a male Luthor a copy of
Lex, more or less, but would a female Kent be more like Lois or Clark in
personality? And what if Luthor, Junior, is both like and unlike Daddy no
matter who the Kent's daughter takes after?<<

Once again, I don't agree with the assumption about Luthor's son.  He could
be a guy rebelling against his father.  (Sort of like a real life Leslie
Luckabee.)  In fact, although you might think Luthor would be gleefully
licking his lips over a union between his son and the Kent's daughter, he
might also see it as an act of betrayal -- especially if his son and he have
been estranged.  Of course, that doesn't mean that Clark would buy the
estrangement.... He might think it all an act set up by Lex so that the
Luthor boy could weasel his way into the Kent circle.

As for what the Kent girl might be like, I don't necessarily think she'd
have to be like one person or the other.  She could have attributes of both
parents, or a personality all of her own.  Hey ... maybe she'd be like
Ellen.  Let's see a Luthor deal with that!!  In any case, somehow I think it
might be more interesting to have the girl be L&C's child just to explore
Clark's natural protective feelings.  And, I think a rebellious son of
Luthors could be fascinating as well.

I would be open to the other point of view, however.  Somehow -- for some
reason -- I could see a Luthor girl as being much more calculating, much
more attuned to her father's ways.  Perhaps she'd be a bit of a Delilah --
intially into sapping "Samson's" strength but falling totally and completely
in love in the end.

>>When I think about it, the true unknown in this is the mother of Luthor's
child. Who she is, what she believes and does, past and present, could
provide the spin to the story to make it unique and believeable. Tradegy or
comedy waiting to happen? Could go either way depending on the writer, but I
don't think it automatically has to be a tradegy.<<

Well, the mother could be a non-issue.  You could choose to have her out of
the picture early in the kid's life.  Or, you might have her a bit of a
recluse -- driven to seek internal solace after years of living with Lex's
insidious ways.

************
I just had a thought.  I don't know how many of you have seen the movie,
Sliding Doors.  I really liked it.  Not brain surgery but well done.
Anyway, you could incorporate the gender issue into a structure like that
one.  That is, do two stories side by side with the gender roles flipping
back and forth.  That could be very good -- but, very complicated as well.
You *would* need an outline before starting.

Sounds good.  Wish I had the time because that does interest me....

Sandy
salymc@gateway.net
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At 10:42 AM 7/18/98 -0400, salymc wrote:
>Once again, I don't agree with the assumption about Luthor's son.  He could
>be a guy rebelling against his father.  (Sort of like a real life Leslie
>Luckabee.)

Duh. I haven't really thought about this idea since the fourth season aired
and well before the Luckabee/Trollman arc, so the significance hadn't
dawned on me yet. Namely, that what we could be talking about here is L&C's
child and Lex's grandchild! Oye. Now, THAT could really make things
interesting.

>In fact, although you might think Luthor would be gleefully
>licking his lips over a union between his son and the Kent's daughter, he
>might also see it as an act of betrayal -- especially if his son and he
have
>been estranged.

I've always thought Lex would be just about as ticked over the idea as
Clark is. And more so. And, of course, ticked would be in his saner
moments, if there are any now. I shudder to think what his reactions would
be in those less sane times.

>As for what the Kent girl might be like, I don't necessarily think she'd
>have to be like one person or the other.  She could have attributes of both
>parents, or a personality all of her own.  Hey ... maybe she'd be like
>Ellen.  Let's see a Luthor deal with that!!

LOL! I hadn't even considered Ellen. <g>

>Well, the mother could be a non-issue.  You could choose to have her out of
>the picture early in the kid's life.  Or, you might have her a bit of a
>recluse -- driven to seek internal solace after years of living with Lex's
>insidious ways.

Maybe, but personally I'd prefer having her be nice and normal and the
major influence during the child's developing years with Lex totally out of
the picture. Then he belatedly brings his daughter/son into his life just
in time for them to fall for . . . a Kent. Whew, not a pretty picture.

And that's another reason this story never made it past the 'what if' stage
with me, I could never decide quite what the long-range ramifactions would
be. Yeah, I know, let the story tell itself, but just the idea of
potentially mixing Kent and Luthor blood made me extremely nervous and I
was never sure I could handle the resulting explosion. Plus, tragedy isn't
my style. No way, no how. So, it would have to be a happy-ever-after ending
and I could never completely wrap my brain around the concept of Kent +
Luthor = happy. It just didn't compute.

Lex's grandchild, though, now that's a different thing altogether. Hmmm.

Beverly :-)

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>And that's another reason this story never made it past the 'what if' stage
>with me, I could never decide quite what the long-range ramifactions would
>be. Yeah, I know, let the story tell itself, but just the idea of
>potentially mixing Kent and Luthor blood made me extremely nervous and I
>was never sure I could handle the resulting explosion. Plus, tragedy isn't
>my style. No way, no how. So, it would have to be a happy-ever-after ending
>and I could never completely wrap my brain around the concept of Kent +
>Luthor = happy. It just didn't compute.
>
>Lex's grandchild, though, now that's a different thing altogether. Hmmm.
>
>Beverly :-)

Don't chicken out on me, Beverly.  Take the tough road.  It's more
rewarding.

Sandy
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I think the more intriguing dynamic, and the more likely possibility, would
be a Luthor daughter and a Kent son.  We've already seen Luthor sons in the
series, and Lex had no real relaitonship with either -- any relationship
with them was certainly negative, anyway.  So they grew up twisted.  And
even if he did raise a son I'd see him raising him in his own image.  I
think the story would only really be interesting if Lex *does* have a
relationship with the child -- otherwise why would he care?

Given Lex's interactions with women the potential of a positive relationship
between him and a daughter does exist.  Lex did love Lois in his own twisted
way, and as part of that he chose to both treat her like a princess and
shield her from his dark side as long as possible.  With the character Beth
in S5 it was similar -- he gives her all she wants and avoids overt displays
of his evildoings (though she is not so naive as Lois may have been, since
she certainly knows of his past).  I can see him treating a daughter much as
he treats the women he "loves" -- like a princess, shielding her from his
evil side as long as possible.

I could conceive of Lex being somewhat pleased to have a daughter,
regardless of the mother -- even eliminating the mother's interaction in the
daughter's life.  This would give him someone to coddle, a toy, a pet
project.  He could give her to a nanny/governess to raise, seeing that the
caregiver is also a good person, but someone who will hide his dark side
>from his daughter.  So his daughter could grow up a good person, but she'd
see him as something of a hero, only making the occasional appearance to
grant her every wish and whim.  So she would be predisposed to hero worship
and ready to fall for the gentleman a Kent son would surely be.

There is room for a wide range of personalities under this scenario -- just
because the Kent son is a gentleman doesn't mean he can't have the strength
of character his mother has, or perhaps even his maternal grandmother's
tendency to manipulate -- or his maternal grandfather's scientific mind, for
that matter.  And Lex's daughter would certainly be smart -- would she be
prone to manipulate?  Would she be rebellious at having been raised a
princess, or spoiled?  Mild-mannered?

Just my $.02 worth -- somebody stop me before I *really* get long-winded!
Cheers,

-Emily
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Something similar to what you suggest about Luthor and his treatment of
his daughter is being played out in the comics. Luthor had gotten rid of
the mother, or so he thinks, but I'm not sure he plans to hide his evil
doings from her or raise her to be as evil as he is.
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Hi people,

To those of you in the UK who were looking forward to seeing Dean on the
Lottery ... I just heard that he won't be on it .. Damn shame isn't it
... I feel kinda responsible because I was the one who posted the email
that he was going to be on it and  now he is not .. I hope no-one is mad
at me .. and plus .. I hate that presenter for making jokes about Dean
.... *growl* .. ha ha.

But Mindy was good .. I really liked the song .. I have a really weird
feeling that I'm going to be a fan of hers .. oops .. I'm suppose to be
against her because she has Dean but she's beautiful, has a great voice
and she is a nice person from what her interviews indicate ... I guess I
should be happy that he's got such a nice person .... oh well, and I
thought it was going to be me .. ha ha ... just joking ...

Well C U and look forward to him on the film on Monday ... sorry again
even though I guess it's not REALLY my fault ...

Bye

Angee
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In a message dated 98-07-18 10:41:51 EDT, salymc@GATEWAY.NET writes:

<< Anyway, you could incorporate the gender issue into a structure like that
 one.  That is, do two stories side by side with the gender roles flipping
 back and forth.  That could be very good -- but, very complicated as well.
 You *would* need an outline before starting. >>

I was just thinking this as I started reading your post, Sandy! So, I'll
present this as a challenge to any or all of you writers: Let's try to set
up
some circumstances for a Luthor and Kent child romance and then write as
many
stories as authors feel necessary to explore the various gender and
personality combinations. Who's in?
Bev? Sandy?

--Laurie (who wants more good fanfic to read <g>)
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>>and I could never completely wrap my brain around the concept of Kent +
>>Luthor = happy. It just didn't compute.

I think Kent + Luthor + Utopia = Happy. Did someone say time travel?
(I always wanted someone who looks like Lex to hug Clark, "Grandpop!")

And for those interested in Trivia...name the two
acting performances of Teri Hatcher which involved
a storyline based upon Romeo & Juliet (Hint: both TV)

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>>  I'll
present this as a challenge to any or all of you writers: Let's try to se=
t
up
some circumstances for a Luthor and Kent child romance and then write as
many
stories as authors feel necessary to explore the various gender and
personality combinations. Who's in? <<

This sounds like something the round robin group could have fun with, in
a small way, of course, nothing too ambitious...  Whatd'ya think, rr grou=
p?

But I hope Bev, Sandy et all tackle it too, I'd love to read
different versions of this scenario...

on the feedback issue:
As a reader, I try to send feedback, but some days I'm lazier than others=
,
and I don't always manage it.

As a writer, I love to get feedback, even the bare minimum "I liked it.
Write more." variety.  I do prefer getting letters that say "I loved this=

part, and that sentence was just wonderfully written, and that scene real=
ly
touched me" but I know that's a lot more trouble to write.  I always try =
to
reply when ppl write to me, too, but there again, some days I'm lazier th=
an
others, and sometimes those replies never get written - I apologize to
everyone I've never written back to...

And negative feedback... well, I've really only gotten one strongly
negative review, and I really didn't enjoy reading it <g> *but* it did
point out a number of flaws in the story.  Criticism from good writers wi=
ll
help you improve if you listen to it.  I've learned a lot in the past few=

years <g>

PJ

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To all of you Writers, Editors, and Readers:

Well, I finished up the Farrelly book.  It was pretty good, although it
ended in a bit of a rush, like the writer got tired.  Just in time, however,
another book arrived in today's mail.  It's called "Letters of a Nation:  A
Collection of Extraordinary American Letters", edited by Andrew Carroll.

The flyleaf says it's "the most comprehensive collection of American
letters -- many published here for the first time -- by presidents, slaves,
soldiers, prisoners, explorers, writers, revolutionaries, Native Americans,
artists, religious and civil rights leaders, and Americans from all walks of
life."

Perusing the table of contents, two letters jumped out which might interest
the group.  One is a letter from Groucho Marx to Warner Brothers who were in
dispute with him over his use of the title, "A Night in Casablanca" for his
film.  They threatened legal action because the name was too close to their
own, "Casablanca". Jeez!  I'll skip that one and offer to you the letter
>from John Steinbeck to his Friend and Editor, Pascal "Pat" Covici on the
joys and frustrations of writing a novel.

Dear Pat:

     I have decided for this book, EAST OF EDEN, to write dedication,
prologue, argument, apology, epilogue and perhaps epitaph all in one.

     The dedication is to you with all the admiration and affection that
have been distilled from our singularly blessed association of many years.
This book is inscribed to you because you have been part of its birth and
growth.

     As you know, a prologue is written last but placed first to explain the
book's shortcomings and to ask the reader to be kind.  But a prologue is
also a note of farewell from the writer to his book.  For years the writer
and his book have been together -- friends or bitter enemies but very close
as only love and fighting can accomplish.

     Then suddenly the book is done.  It is a kind of death.  This is the
requiem.

     Miguel Cervantes invented the modern novel and with his Don Quijote set
a mark high and bright.  In his prologue, he said best what writers feel --
The gladness and The terror.

     "Idling reader" Cervantes wrote, "you may believe me when I tell you
that I should have liked this book, which is the child of my brain, to be
The fairest, The sprightliest and The cleverest that could be imagined, but
I have not been able to contravene the law of nature which would have it
that like begets like--"

     And so it is with me, Pat.  Although some times I have felt that I held
fire in my hands and spread a page with shining -- I have never lost the
weight of clumsiness, of ignorance, of aching inability.

     A book is like a man -- clever and dull, brave and cowardly, beautiful
and ugly.  For every flowering thought there will be a page like a wet and
mangy mongrel, and for every looping flight a tap on the wing and a reminder
that wax cannot hold the feathers firm too near the sun.

     Well -- then the book is done.  It has no virtue any more.  The writer
wants to cry out -- "Bring it back!  Let me rewrite it or better -- Let me
burn it.  Don't let it out in the unfriendly cold in that condition."

     As you know better than most, Pat, the book does not go from writer to
reader.  It goes first to the lions -- editors, publishers, critics, copy
readers, sales department.  It is kicked and slashed and gouged.  And its
bloodied father stands attorney.

**********
EDITOR:

     The book is out of balance.  The reader expects one thing and you give
him something else. You have written two books and stuck them together.  The
reader will not understand.

WRITER:

     No, sir.  It goes together.  I have written about one family and used
stories about another family as well, as counterpoint, as rest, as contrast
in pace and color.

EDITOR:

     The reader won't understand.  What you call counterpoint only slows the
book.

WRITER:

     It has to be slowed -- else how would you know when it goes fast.

EDITOR:

     You have stopped the book and gone into discussions of God knows what.

WRITER:

     Yes, I have.  I don't know why. Just wanted to. Perhaps I was wrong.

EDITOR:

     Right in the middle you throw in a story about your mother and an
airplane. The reader wants to know where it ties in and, by God, it doesn't
tie in at all.  That disappoints a reader.

WRITER:

     Yes, sir.  I guess you're right.  Shall I cut out the story of my
mother and the airplane?

EDITOR:

     That's entirely up to you.

SALES DEPARTMENT:

     The book's too long.  Costs are up.  We'll have to charge five dollars
for it.  People won't pay five dollars.  they won't buy it.

WRITER:

     My last book was short.  You said then that people won't buy a short
book.

PROOFREADER:

     The chronology is full of holes.  The grammar has no relation to
English.  On page so-and-so you have a man look in the World Almanac for
steamship rates.  They aren't there.  I checked.  You've got Chinese New
Year wrong. The characters aren't consistent.  You describe Liza Hamilton
one way and then have her act a different way.

EDITOR:

     You make Cathy too black.  The reader won't believe her.  You make Sam
Hamilton too white.  The reader won't believe him.  No Irishman ever talked
like that.

WRITER:

     My grandfather did.

EDITOR:

     Who'll believe it.

SECOND EDITOR:

     No children ever talked like that.

WRITER (losing temper as a refuge from despair):

     God dam it. This is my book.  I'll make the children talk any way I
want.  My book is about good and evil.  Maybe the theme got into the
execution. Do you want to publish it or not?

EDITORS:

     Let's see if we can fix it up.  It won't be much work.  You want it to
be good, don't you?  For instance the ending.  The reader won't understand
it.

WRITER:

     Do you?

EDITOR:

     Yes, but the reader won't.

PROOFREADER:

     My god, how you do dangle a participle.  Turn to page so-and-so.

**********

     There you are, Pat.  You came in with a box of glory and there you
stand with an armful of damp garbage.
     And from this meeting a new character has emerged.  He is called the
reader.

THE READER:

     He is so stupid you can't trust him with an idea.
     He is so clever he will catch you in the least error.
     He will not buy short books.
     He will not buy long books.
     He is part moron, part genius and part ogre.
     There is some doubt as to whether he can read.

     Well, by God, Pat, he's just like me, no stranger at all.   He'll take
>from my book what he can bring to it.  The dull witted will get dullness
and
the brilliant may find things in my book I didn't know were there.

     And just as he is like me, I hope my book is enough like him so that he
may find in it interest and recognition and some beauty as one finds in a
friend.

     Cervantes ends his prologue with a lovely line.  I want to use it, Pat,
and then I will have done.  He says to the reader:

     "May God give you health -- and may He be not unmindful of me, as
well."

JOHN STEINBECK
New York

**********
Sandy
salymc@gateway.net
http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/
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In a message dated 98-07-18 18:55:09 EDT, jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM writes:

<< I always try to
 reply when ppl write to me, >>

And when authors reply to your comments, sometimes you make new friends and
then get recruited as proofers.... (right Debby & Margaret?)

--Laurie
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In a message dated 98-07-17 12:12:41 EDT, Christy wrote:

<<  When I first started reading fanfic, if I would've
 written to everyone whose story I enjoyed, I would've had to make a
full-time
 career out of it. >>

     Okay, I really had to reply to this! With over 700 stories in the
archive, and having diligently tried to stay on top of all the new stuff
that
gets uploaded, I don't know where to start!

     One day I'm going to sit down and just read through all the "A"
authors.
Maybe after that, I'll slog through to the "B"'s. Or maybe I should start
with
the "Z's"... I know Zoom's written some pretty wonderful stuff, but I don't
think I should postpone her until the year 2000! (Actually, I have read a
few
of your stories, Zoom, but by no means have I exhausted the list.)  I've
spent
so much time reading the listserv mail that when I'm done with it, I don't
want to read anything else on this PC! You must admit, we've had some pretty
lively discussions going on lately. I've been riveted to the screen until my
mailbox is *finally* empty!

     My point actually, is this: by the time I read something that's been on
the archive a loooooong time, is the author *still* interested in my
opinion?
Or is that "I want your feedback" invitation for a limited time only ;-) ?

Marie
(who really ought to come up with a snappy sig like the rest of you
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In a message dated 98-07-18 16:28:28 EDT, you write:

<< And for those interested in Trivia...name the two
 acting performances of Teri Hatcher which involved
 a storyline based upon Romeo & Juliet (Hint: both TV)
  >>
Wasn't one of those in Quantum Leap? I think the ep was called
"Starcrossed"...?

Marie
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 Hello Folcs,
Well, I want to thank everybody for answering my post.
It was great to read about your opinions on the feedback subject and
even better to know that I'm not the only one who dreads to send
feedback :P
and about the shakespearen fanfic challenge...
I think it's a great idea and I'll look forword to reading it if it's
ever done:)
but I disagree with Bev who said she didn't want to see it end in
tragedy but can't really feel that Kent+Luthor=Happy ( I think it's
Bev who said that...and I don't know how to cut and paste cause I'm
using Yahoo!mail BTW, if you use Yahoo!Mail and know how to cut and
paste, please teach me)
because if it's gonna be like Romeo & Juliet, I feel it will feel more
"right" if it end in tragedy. However, if you really can't bear the
thought of Lois and Clark losing one of their child, why not make it
into only a bad nightmare for Lois or Clark or even Lex? Then they can
wake up in the morning and sigh: "Thank god it's just a dream." :)
Grace (who vows to write more feedbacks and participate
more in discussions, because it's summer vacation and she doesn't have
a life) :P

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Date:         Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:26:14 -0400
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From:         Gary <gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU>
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At 10:05 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-18 16:28:28 EDT, you write:
>
><< And for those interested in Trivia...name the two
> acting performances of Teri Hatcher which involved
> a storyline based upon Romeo & Juliet (Hint: both TV)
>  >>
>Wasn't one of those in Quantum Leap? I think the ep was called
>"Starcrossed"...?
>
>Marie
>

Well, I wasn't thinking about that QL ep, but it is loosely
based on R&J if only in the title. So you get 1/2 a point...

(Hint:One was before L&C and the other was during L&C.)

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Date:         Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:06:05 -0400
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Hello,

I've just spent half an hour searching through my old email looking for
the directions on how to unsubscribe from this list.  To no avail.

Could someone please email me privately the commands?
Thanks,
Ray {personal life forcing me to withdraw from this list, unfortunately}
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Date:         Sun, 19 Jul 1998 02:09:40 -0700
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<delurk from lazy bum mode>

Leanne wrote:
>But frankly, even comments like "I loved your story!!!!" (end message) are
>fine with me. I know that:
>a) someone's read it;
>b) someone liked it (yay!)

I second this!!!

and

Marie wrote:
>>>   My point actually, is this: by the time I read something that's been
on
the archive a loooooong time, is the author *still* interested in my
opinion?
Or is that "I want your feedback" invitation for a limited time only ;-)
?<<<<

Yes, yes, yes, Marie!!!  At least I am.  I was really proud of my story
"Chances Are" and I even got a few feedback notes shortly after it was
posted.  I thought, "Gee, a few people liked it."  Months later, when I'm
reading the nominees for the Kerth Awards, I see my name and my story there.
Then I thought, "Ohmigosh!!  Look how many people actually read it and
thought it worthy of a Kerth Award!"  That was one of the best forms of
feedback I've ever recieved.

As a reader, I *try* to give feed back on stories I like, but time always
escapes me.  One thing I do make sure of, is to write to those whose stories
leave me laughing, crying, or just completely struck with emotion.  Those
are the authors that I write with how they made me feel.  I might even yell
at them for making me cry too much, which only means they are great writers.

And finally, to Grace: If anything, I say just write a short note saying, "I
read your story and loved it."

<back to lurking>

Sara Kraft
<likemoo@azstarnet.com>
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I thought I'd join the thread :)

As a writer I love to get (any) feedback because it is so inspiring to me.

As a reader sometimes I feel like (depending on who the writer is and which
story I am reading) that sometimes my comments may seem inadequate or that
so many other much better writers (than I have) already expressed their
like of the story / comments that I think:
a) "why bother?" or
b) "It might just be annoying mail clutter."

(This is especially the case with one of my very favorite fics, I would
love to let the author know that I absolutely adore her work but I just
don't think the author would really care because there are many many people
out there that love her work)

It is probably irrational but that is how I feel sometimes.

There are also the writers that I have responded to with a comment that I
have never received a reply from so I don't know:
a) "if they have recieved the the email" or
b) "whether they cared enough to aknowledge the message."
which is frustrating and annoying because it makes me less inclined to
write to other authors.

I really do need to try to read and comment more fanfic at the moment.....
If only I had access to a laser printer (I have been spoilt for too long
<sigh>)

Just my 2c worth :)

Trish <trish@hotkey.net.au>
AKA FoLCTrish on IRC
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Date:         Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:20:07 -0400
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Well, I just tried the IRC.  (I couldn't believe I figured out how to get
on.  As Geneveive can testify, I'm about the biggest tech idiot in the
world!)  I thought Sunday morning would be very safe in case of egregious
errors, and it was -- thank God.  Beppo was very kind to explain how to do
various things, although I wrote it down so quickly, I don't think I can
make sense of it now.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is ... when people get on to talk about fanfic
let me know, when, where, and how to get there.  I'll give it a try.  That's
if I'm welcome ; ).

Sandy in D.C.
salymc@gateway.net
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Date:         Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:31:37 -0400
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Sandy wrote:

<<Anyway, what I wanted to say is ... when people get on to talk about
fanfic let me know, when, where, and how to get there.  I'll give it a
try.  That's if I'm welcome ; ).>>

Of course you're more than welcome to join in!  Even if you choose not
to participate in the writing, you can join the 'peanut gallery' :)  We
meet Saturdays around 3PM EST.  Type /j #L&CFanfic.  If it's invite
only, someone will be on #loiscla or you can /msg Eraygun or Zoomway to
get you in the door.  When we take the week off, the channel is still
open to discuss fanfic.  Hope to see you there! :)

Tanya "EmmyRose/Badficker"

P.S. Warning: you *may* get trapped in a badfic tornado.  Just
think....there's no place like home, there's no place like home....
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From:         Regina Gilchrist Ash <rash@DNET.NET>
Subject:      IRC addiction

Hi, Sandy, et al,
I, too, really enjoyed the few times I've IRC'd on #loiscla (if that's even
the right channel, it's been so long) and was very pleased with how kind
everyone was. It was a blast. The only problem was, I was always amazed at
how long I'd stay on. I'd completely lose track of time...so it was sort of
an addiction, and I just mostly stay off. I had been wondering recently how
the channel was doing...is it still busy? Do ppl talk about L&C (not that
we ever really did <g> mostly we stayed in the gutter about DC or something
that'd happened on the show.) Someone who IRCs regularly, please fill some
of us in on what's going on out there. I'll be away from home (at a
workshop) all this week, but back Friday.

Later, FoLC,
Regina
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Regina Ash (rash@dnet.net)
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Date:         Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:57:13 -0800
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>Hi, Sandy, et al,
>I, too, really enjoyed the few times I've IRC'd on #loiscla (if that's even
>the right channel, it's been so long) and was very pleased with how kind
>everyone was. It was a blast. The only problem was, I was always amazed at
>how long I'd stay on. I'd completely lose track of time...so it was sort of
>an addiction, and I just mostly stay off. I had been wondering recently how
>the channel was doing...is it still busy? Do ppl talk about L&C (not that
>we ever really did <g> mostly we stayed in the gutter about DC or something
>that'd happened on the show.) Someone who IRCs regularly, please fill some
>of us in on what's going on out there. I'll be away from home (at a
>workshop) all this week, but back Friday.
>
All times are in Pacific (US) Time:

9am -11:30am: James, Crystal and I are all AFK ... Folcs drop in
occasionally (Teca, Airfleet) and say hi and share some news ... that is,
assuming that James, Crystal and I actually come back from whatever else
we're doing
11:30-2pm: Things pick up a little. More people turn up and are AFK
(actually multi-tasking, I suspect). I go have lunch, sort mail and come
back. Dane drops in if work's not too busy for him and Vanzee also usually
turns up. The first Aussie, Jenerator logs in, chats and then goes off to
have breakfast. James usually starts singing Abba or the Go-Goes around
this time :)
2-4pm: More folcs come in. Conversation actually starts picking up: we talk
about anything from L&C soundtracks, to html tips, to our children (those
who have them), comparative religion, the odd X-Files fanfic discussion.
"Clark" from Sweden pops on every now and then to ask if there's any L&C
news but he's so lagged he's gone by the time we give it to him. The UKers
also show (very late for them) and either lurk or blither about men in
kilts! *grin*
4pm: conversation sketchy -- those who are by a TV are watching L&C on TNT
4-5pm: UKers leave (they travel in packls, don'tcha know! *grin*). Unca
Karl turns up and we all behave. Conversation topics are anything really.
There'll be a dip in the gutter while Karl isn't looking, snorkels and
"Dean" lifesavers are handed out. Otherwise, we all nag Karl about cleaning
his house or eating properly. Those who are home from work share their day
...
5pm: I go home ... I don't get on much of an evening ... but the group
seems to scatter -- the regulars that I knew when I was in Australia and a
different time zone still show up (Pam, Zoom, Joy etc) -- there are fanfic
channels, etc, #loiscla feels a little like the lobby, but discussion still
meanders on until the wee hours.

Perhaps someone could do a nighttime schedule? *grin*

Leanne

Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com)
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Date:         Sun, 19 Jul 1998 15:43:39 -0400
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>> With over 700 stories in the
archive, and having diligently tried to stay on top of all the new stuff
that
gets uploaded, I don't know where to start! <<

Marie, I know you you feel... I had trouble figuring out where to start,
and that was 3 years ago! <g>

May I suggest my webpage?
 (http://ouworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jernigan/folc.html)  I try
to recommend good stories/authors - once you find a good author, you know=
,
you can read everything else they've written... and you should also pay
attention to the authors notes.  If Author A (whose stuff you really like=
)
thanks Author B for all her help, then Author B would be someone to check=

out.  You may find that you don't like the same sorts of stories I do, bu=
t
that'll give you a list of what stories *not* to read, at least <g>  (I
plan to add a new recommendation today, in fact :)

>>  My point actually, is this: by the time I read something that's been =
on
the archive a loooooong time, is the author *still* interested in my
opinion? <<

Well, I'd still be interested.  Heck, I haven't written much of anything
new in a while, so I'm extra delighted by notes about older stories, whic=
h
I do sometimes still get. The only caveat is that older stories may have
outdated e-mail addresses on them... it'd be annoying to work hard on a
feedback note and then have it bounce.

Sara Kraft mentioned:
>> And finally, to Grace: If anything, I say just write a short note
saying, "I
read your story and loved it." <<

Seconded.  Every little bit of positive feedback helps :)

Then Trish ventured:
>> As a reader sometimes I feel like (depending on who the writer is and
which
story I am reading) that sometimes my comments may seem inadequate or tha=
t
so many other much better writers (than I have) already expressed their
like of the story / comments that I think:
a) "why bother?" or
b) "It might just be annoying mail clutter." <<

Trust me, I am never annoyed at fan mail <g>  Writing something and sendi=
ng
it out across the net can be a very scary proposition, it's a risk.  The
first few stories I sent out, I was *terrified* that people would tell me=

they were no good (and honestly, they could have used a lot of
improvement).  That fear lessened with every nice comment I received.  A
well-established, popular writer is probably pretty much over the
insecurity thing, but I suspect it's still lurking around in the
background.  So every nice comment, no matter how brief, is a reassurance=
=2E

>> There are also the writers that I have responded to with a comment tha=
t
I
have never received a reply from <<

Yeah, that's frustrating, and I'm guilty of sometimes not responding,
myself - usually what it means is that my life has temporarily gone
overwhelming, *not* that I didn't appreciate the note.  Still, if the
writer doesn't write back, you don't know that, do you? :-/

Well, consider a feedback note to be your act of charity for the day, the=
n
<g>

PJ

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In a message dated 98-07-19 05:10:20 EDT, you write:

Marie wrote:
 >>>   My point actually, is this: by the time I read something that's been
on
 the archive a loooooong time, is the author *still* interested in my
opinion?
 Or is that "I want your feedback" invitation for a limited time only ;-)
?<<

You bet<g>  Truthfully it's very touching to get a fan letter (that's what I
call them even if they aren't always complimentary ;) long after a story was
posted to the list or the archive.  Partly because it may mean a new fan has
appeared and what touched us long ago about Lois and Clark is just now
touching them.  To make the point, I did receive a 'fan letter' a year after
I'd written a story and the person said "I just had to write you..."
That's
a terrific feeling that someone felt compelled to respond.  He also was
specific in his letter about why it worked for him and why he personally
enjoyed it so much.  It happened again recently (thanks to Anne on the other
list) and I received a sweet note from a new online fan who even went to the
trouble of listing her favorite scenes from the story.  Best of all, a
letter
means someone *read* what you wrote and took the time to tell you so.

Zoomway@aol.com
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From:         "B.B. Medos" <bbmedos@GEOCITIES.COM>
Subject:      Re: Fic Idea That's Shakespearean & Feedback
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At 04:27 PM 7/18/98 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>>and I could never completely wrap my brain around the concept of Kent +
>>>Luthor = happy. It just didn't compute.
>I think Kent + Luthor + Utopia = Happy. Did someone say time travel?
>(I always wanted someone who looks like Lex to hug Clark, "Grandpop!")

Ooo, the math game. I've got one. I've recently been wondering if:

Lois + Clark + Luthor = Utopia - Tempus = Real Utopia [instead of that
thing Herb describes]

Beverly :-)
Who just knows somebody is going to pipe up with the name of a fanfic that
did this already. Not that this is one I'm working on. Just a passing
thought. Really. But an intriquing one. <bg>

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Hello everyone, this is my first time addressing the group. I joined and
then
didn't check my mail box for about 5 days. Big mistake, I had over 200 new
e-
mails ;). I did learn my lesson, check your e-mail daily.

<< This sounds like something the round robin group could have fun with, in
 a small way, of course, nothing too ambitious...  Whatd'ya think, rr group?
>>

I too would love to write on this subject. The problem is I really don't
have
the time to sit and write a whole piece by myself. It would be great if I
could join a rr group, but I don't know if any (are there more than one?)
are
looking for new members. Let me know if you are looking for one.

Thanks!
-Jessie~
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Regina said:
>>Hi, Sandy, et al,
>>I, too, really enjoyed the few times I've IRC'd on #loiscla (if that's
even
>>the right channel, it's been so long) and was very pleased with how kind
>>everyone was. It was a blast. The only problem was, I was always amazed at
>>how long I'd stay on. I'd completely lose track of time...so it was sort
of
>>an addiction, and I just mostly stay off. I had been wondering recently
how
>>the channel was doing...is it still busy? Do ppl talk about L&C (not that
>>we ever really did <g> mostly we stayed in the gutter about DC or
something
>>that'd happened on the show.) Someone who IRCs regularly, please fill some
>>of us in on what's going on out there. I'll be away from home (at a
>>workshop) all this week, but back Friday.

Leanne said:
>All times are in Pacific (US) Time:
>
>9am -11:30am: James, Crystal and I are all AFK ... Folcs drop in
>occasionally (Teca, Airfleet) and say hi and share some news ... that is,
>assuming that James, Crystal and I actually come back from whatever else
>we're doing<

All times are EST unless they're DST

7:00 to 7:01 a.m.:  cat sits on face
7:01 to 7:05 a.m.:  pick fur out of teeth; then throw catfood on kitchen
floor, missing dish.
7:05 to 7:15 a.m.: shower --  nod off, catching oneself before incurring
massive head injury.
7:15 to 7:30 a.m.:  scream at reactionary on C-SPAN over pleasant cup of
coffee.
7:30 to 7:50 a.m.:  find something in closet that is in season, doesn't have
stains, broken elastic, perpetual wrinkles or needs to go to dry cleaners.
7:50 to 8:00 a.m.:  blow dry hair, pulling out gray ones.
8:00 to 8:03 a.m.: brush teeth and reapply lipstick put on before brushing
teeth.
8:04 to 8:10 a.m.: frantically look for keys to front door, thrown in the
air the previous night under the influence.
8:10 to 8:20 a.m.: desperately look for bus tokens, give up and grab
quarters meant for laundry.
8:20 to 8:22 a.m.: speed out of apt.
8:22 to 8:24 a.m.: return to apt. to check if coffee maker unplugged.
8:24 to 8:26 a.m.: skip elevator; doesn't come to your floor between 8:24 to
8:26 -- ever.  Make mad dash for stairwell.
8:26 to 8:28 a.m.: curse at bus, pulling away; wait for next one which is
very, very late.

Oops, this is *my* morning.... Don't know where I can fit the IRC in. ;)

>11:30-2pm: Things pick up a little. More people turn up and are AFK<

Um ... who (or what) is AFK?  JFK and RFK's long lost brother Alfie?

>5pm: I go home ... I don't get on much of an evening ... but the group
>seems to scatter -- the regulars that I knew when I was in Australia and a
>different time zone still show up (Pam, Zoom, Joy etc) -- there are fanfic
>channels, etc, #loiscla feels a little like the lobby, but discussion still
>meanders on until the wee hours.<

Too bad, Leanne because other than weekends, I can't do days.  Besides that,
it would be hypocritical of me to show up during the roundrobin times, when
I've repeatedly said I don't read them ;)

Hopefully, I will catch you sometime soon.

Sandy
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In a message dated 98-07-18 10:42:11 EDT, you write:

<< As for feedback, I don't care if it's positive or negative, I just want
it
 public!  (You know that old saying about there being no bad press or good
 press, just get the name right.... I think I just mixed together two old
 sayings.<g>  Well, you get the point.)  I'll be honest here.  I love
 receiving private feedback, but if someone has something to say about one
of
 my stories and they have a forum such as this, why not put it out there!
 Hey, if you like it, let others know.... >>

Ok Sandy, I will!  Being fairly new to the list, albeit a fanfic addict for
the past year, I kept hearing about Sandy's "Love as a Blond", and finally
found it on her new website, along with the precursor, "Something's
Missing".
Now, I am not a prude <wink> but I don't enjoy nfics without any A plot.  So
I
was thrilled to read both of these extremely well-written, terrifically
developed plot, true to my beloved characters, realistic (as far as it goes
when one of the characters can fly), romantic, laugh-out-loud nfics. (Hope
that was grammatically correct)  There was so much that I liked about these
stories, such as LnC falling out the window at a slightly inopportune
moment,
the devotion to their children, the normal ebb and flow of married life.  I
just couldn't put them down.
Perhaps one tiny criticsm about "Blonde":  I would have thought that Lois
would have been much more upset than portrayed after the return from NYC if
she really thought that he didn't know what she knew, ya know?
Anyway, many thanks to Sandy for these great fics and kudos to all of you
for
sharing your time, talent, and computer skills to keep alive our obsessions!
Kate
(the Maryland one)
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Hi all
I just had a thought for a plot.  I am terible at writing actual
stories, but this is just an idea that was bouncing around in my head.
What if after Lois and Clark were married someone saw Superman wearing
a wedding ring?  What would he say, and who would he say he was
married to? ect.
You all have my permission to use this if you want. Tell me whay you
think.
Ruth
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In a message dated 98-07-19 14:59:42 EDT, volterra@SD.ZNET.COM writes:

<< 4pm: conversation sketchy -- those who are by a TV are watching L&C on
TNT
>>

4 pm pacific is 7 pm eastern. But L&C is on here at 6 pm... Did I miss
something in the translation?

Leanne, is this schedule a DAILY one? You mean you are online ALL day????
Geesh, when do you write?

--Laurie
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>In a message dated 98-07-18 10:42:11 EDT, you write:
>
<<  I love receiving private feedback, but if someone has something to say
about one of my stories and they have a forum such as this, why not put it
out there! Hey, if you like it, let others know.... >>

>Ok Sandy, I will!  Being fairly new to the list, albeit a fanfic addict for
the past year, I kept hearing about Sandy's "Love as a Blond", and finally
found it on her new website, along with the precursor, "Something's
Missing".  Now, I am not a prude <wink> but I don't enjoy nfics without any
A plot.  So I was thrilled to read both of these extremely well-written,
terrifically developed plot, true to my beloved characters, realistic (as
far as it goes when one of the characters can fly), romantic, laugh-out-loud
nfics. (Hope that was grammatically correct)  There was so much that I liked
about these stories, such as LnC falling out the window at a slightly
inopportune moment, the devotion to their children, the normal ebb and flow
of married life.  I just couldn't put them down.  Perhaps one tiny criticsm
about "Blonde":  I would have thought that Lois would have been much more
upset than portrayed after the return from NYC if she really thought that he
didn't know what she knew, ya know? Anyway, many thanks to Sandy for these
great fics and kudos to all of you for sharing your time, talent, and
computer skills to keep alive our obsessions!
Kate<

Ah ... so, you didn't read "Taken"?  Just kidding.

Well, thank you so much for all the good stuff you say above.  Believe me,
both of those stories took a lot of time and work, so I appreciate the
compliments very much.  What made me nervous about both these fics --
actually all my stories -- is that I've never been married or had children,
so portraying a marriage -- even a Superman one -- was more challenging than
writing about superpowers.  I could be fantastical about Sman, but not about
married life.  Others, who have written to me, comment on the
marital/familial aspect of these stories, and I'm always tickled by that.

As for your criticism re "Love as a Blonde," the problem with Lois being
angry is that, if she showed her anger more than she did, she risks
admitting all.  In other words, Lois and Clark are dancing around each other
at this point.  They are both keeping something back.  Deep down, they both
"know" what actually happened, but they aren't going to talk about it until
the other one fesses up first.  In my opinion, this is a much more realistic
representation of how people deal with each other.  Things that are too
uncomfortable (or inconvenient) to talk about in the present are put on a
back burner until they boil over or someone puts it on the front burner and
turns up the heat.<g>

If Lois had confronted Clark, she would be admitting to him that she was
there with him at the hotel, she's actually XX, and she's been doing all of
this behind his back.  (This isn't gonna make sense to anyone else.)

Anyway, thank you for letting me know that you liked them....  To the person
who was concerned about commenting on "old stories".  Well, "Something's
Missing" and "Love as a Blonde" are "old" to me, but hey -- I still enjoy
hearing from readers about them, as I don't care about the stories any less.

Sandy
salymc@gateway.net
http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/
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In a message dated 98-07-19 17:53:29 EDT, bbmedos@GEOCITIES.COM writes:

<<  Not that this is one I'm working on >>

AWWW, Bev, you're not going to take up my challenge? I wondered how many
variations we could get. I think if each person/group who wants to do one
would post which gender & personality variation they will try, we could have
a
whole host of interesting stories. I'm wondering who will take the male
Luthor, female Kent with Ellen's personality <g>.

--Laurie
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>In a message dated 98-07-19 14:59:42 EDT, volterra@SD.ZNET.COM writes:
>
><< 4pm: conversation sketchy -- those who are by a TV are watching L&C on
TNT
>>>
>
>4 pm pacific is 7 pm eastern. But L&C is on here at 6 pm... Did I miss
>something in the translation?
>
>Leanne, is this schedule a DAILY one? You mean you are online ALL day????
>Geesh, when do you write?
>
Laurie:

I'm a multi-tasker, just ask anyone on #loiscla who's heard me say "Uhhh,
sorry, I was off "xyz"," or "Sorry, work got hectic there for a moment."
Actually, work's gonna be pretty busy the next coupla weeks, so I'll be
doing more than my usual amount of "enforced" lurking ...

And I was thinking of the *old* time for L&C, sorry. It is at 3pm. :)

Leanne

Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com)
Web Design: http://www.znet.com/~volterra/design/webdesign.html
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In a message dated 98-07-19 21:28:03 EDT, you write:

<< Ah ... so, you didn't read "Taken"?  >>

I am starting Taken today (Printing it out now, and yes I do go through
reams
and reams of paper to support this addiction)!
Thanks for the explanation and motivation......And wow!  you're not married
or
a parent?  As I was reading, I did think, this is a person who knows what
family life is like (I've been married 20 years and have 3 children).

And like any good author I find, I hope for.......MORE.  Do you have
anything
coming up soon,
Sandy?......Margaret.......Barbara..........Chris......anyone?
I'm chomping at the bit for the latest from Demi and Zoom <g>.

Kate
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From:         Debby Stark <debby@SWCP.COM>
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At 10:05 PM 7/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
In a message dated 98-07-18 16:28:28 EDT, Marie write:

><< And for those interested in Trivia...name the two
>acting performances of Teri Hatcher which involved
>a storyline based upon Romeo & Juliet (Hint: both TV)
  >>
>Wasn't one of those in Quantum Leap? I think the ep was called
>"Starcrossed"...?

The other may have been L&C itself as a form of "Taming of the Shrew"...

Debby
Debby@swcp.com
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This is just a test post. I'm feeling this urge to delurk after following
the
last few threads but first I want to make sure that I'm posting properly.
(*not* an equestrian pun )

Carol
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In a message dated 98-07-20 06:01:44 EDT, KCrane1865@AOL.COM writes:

<< Do you have anything
 coming up soon,
Sandy?......Margaret.......Barbara..........Chris......anyone? >>

LOL, Kate! You've hit the nail on the head here. Those of us who don't write
can get mighty impatient. But Margaret is working on more as is Sandy, and
I'm
sure others.

--Laurie
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In message <b5e144f6.35b27837@aol.com>, Jessica Sweeney <LL3692@AOL.COM>
writes
>
><< This sounds like something the round robin group could have fun with, in
> a small way, of course, nothing too ambitious...  Whatd'ya think, rr
group?
>>>
>
>I too would love to write on this subject. The problem is I really don't
have
>the time to sit and write a whole piece by myself. It would be great if I
>could join a rr group, but I don't know if any (are there more than one?)
are
>looking for new members. Let me know if you are looking for one.
>
Hey Jessica et al,

I know this is cheeky but I've been wanting to join this too .. but I
felt that I'd missed the boat and that the groups had been formed for
good .. I've been on this list for a while and haven't plucked up the
courage to ask ...

Thanks for bringing it up again Jessica ...

Angee
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Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:46:39 EDT
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In a message dated 98-07-20 06:01:44 EDT, you write:

<< And like any good author I find, I hope for.......MORE.  Do you have
anything
 coming up soon,
Sandy?......Margaret.......Barbara..........Chris......anyone?
 I'm chomping at the bit for the latest from Demi and Zoom <g>. >>

Demi does, I believe.  She was cutting and pasting a story for some of us on
the IRC.  Looks really good. She was asking suggestions where it should go
>from her current 'ending' point.  How close it is to finished though, I
don't
know ;)

Zoomway@aol.com
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Re: Round Robin groups

I believe there are a few groups doing round robins in e-mail, but I
don't know who's involved in that.  The only one I know about is the grou=
p
on the IRC, and it's not a closed set.  If you want to get involved, come=

online a few Saturdays to get acquainted and get the idea, and when you'r=
e
ready to write with us, just let us know... a warning, tho: it can be
slightly nervewracking to try to write in real time with people
watching.... <g>  (This is why we often do some editing after the fact).

To get on IRC:  You need an IRC chat client (like mIRC, which can
be downloaded at www.mirc.com) and you need to connect to an Undernet
server.  The main channel is #loiscla (the command is "/join #loiscla"). =
 =

We write on Saturdays (every other week during the summer, but even when
we're not writing that week, people still gather to talk fanfic), startin=
g
roughly 3:30pm EST.  The writing channel is #l&cfanfic and it is sometime=
s
closed to outsiders just to keep the riffraff out, but if you ask Eraygun=

or Zoomway for an invitation, they'll allow you in (ask around in
#loiscla).  This sounds awfully complicated, but really its not that bad
:-)

Once you're in the channel, nettiquette applies... say hi, but you'll
probably want to lurk a bit to get an idea of what goes on.  If you ask,
someone can send you a copy of what's been written so far (if you join a
story in progress).

Jessica, Angee & anyone else who's interested... Hope to see you there :-=
)

PJ

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In message <199807201546_MC2-53A6-44C@compuserve.com>, Pam Jernigan
<jernigan@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes

>To get on IRC:  You need an IRC chat client (like mIRC, which can
>be downloaded at www.mirc.com)

EXCELLENT .. as I have that already!!

>and you need to connect to an Undernet
>server.  The main channel is #loiscla (the command is "/join #loiscla").
>We write on Saturdays (every other week during the summer, but even when
>we're not writing that week, people still gather to talk fanfic), starting
>roughly 3:30pm EST.

What time is 3.30pm British time? I think we;re 5 hours ahead so that
would make it about 8.30pm right??

>The writing channel is #l&cfanfic and it is sometimes
>closed to outsiders just to keep the riffraff out, but if you ask Eraygun
>or Zoomway for an invitation, they'll allow you in (ask around in
>#loiscla).  This sounds awfully complicated, but really its not that bad
>:-)

You can just ask? There's not a special screening process is there .. ha
ha ...

>
>Once you're in the channel, nettiquette applies... say hi, but you'll
>probably want to lurk a bit to get an idea of what goes on.  If you ask,
>someone can send you a copy of what's been written so far (if you join a
>story in progress).
>
>Jessica, Angee & anyone else who's interested... Hope to see you there :-)
>

Thanks for the info Pam!!!!
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In a message dated 98-07-20 09:31:21 EDT, you write:

<< <LL3692@AOL.COM>
 writes
 >
 ><< This sounds like something the round robin group could have fun with,
in
 > a small way, of course, nothing too ambitious...  Whatd'ya think, rr
group?
 >>>
 >
 >I too would love to write on this subject. The problem is I really don't
have
 >the time to sit and write a whole piece by myself. It would be great if I
 >could join a rr group, but I don't know if any (are there more than one?)
are
 >looking for new members. Let me know if you are looking for one.
 >

Then Angee added:

 >>>I know this is cheeky but I've been wanting to join this too .. but I
 felt that I'd missed the boat and that the groups had been formed for
 good .. I've been on this list for a while and haven't plucked up the
 courage to ask ...<<<

I can only speak for the IRC round robin group, but we're always very happy
when a new writer joins.  This past Saturday we had a lot of "watchers"
(which
is great, we love an audience because we're basically hams ;) but only
*three*
writers at one point until later when  a couple of others were able to join
in.

How it works on IRC....

We "op" the people who want to write.  That means this gizmo --> @  appears
in
front of their names.  That keeps the writers in aphabetical order and also
lets us know who we follow and who is and is not writing on the channel.
For
example, the channel list of names on #l&cfanfic would look something like
this:

@AMCiotola
@ChiefPam
@Chrispat
@Eraygun
@Lansbury
@Mackteach
@zoomway
Airfleet
AndiH
cmreeves
ga
Godscomic
TecaCain
Ximemia

Those with the gizmo next to their names are writers, those without the
gizmo
are part of the peanut gallery ;)  Though 'ga' (georgia) is also the editor
and timer.  Each writer has a 20 minute turn (though you can write less than
that, 20 minutes is the maximum for a turn)  As you can see from the lineup,
I
would write after "Mackteach" and so follow from where she left off.  Since
this is a live fanfic, not eveyone interested in round robin or even in
doing
fanfic will like this format because it is live and sometimes that takes
some
getting used to. However, there is always the option of staring an e-mail
round robin group.

With the e-mail type, you're not doing anything live or in front of an
audience. You do your part of the story and e-mail it on. Some e-mail round
robin groups have page or "K" limits on size per installment and a deadline
for getting the installment back to the group.  It can be run alphabetically
too, and unlike the live IRC version, your writer numbers will likely stay
constant.

Those of us who write round robin are well aware that there are readers who
don't like round robins<g>  Though an interesting revelation happened last
night no #loiscla. Charlotte said she enjoyed reading round robins because
even though writing style might vary, she enjoyed how they did blend to tell
the same story, but she also said it gave her a clue as to whose stories as
individuals she would like to check out.  So she viewed round robins as a
kind
of Whitman's Sampler of writers ;)

So, if any of you would like to join us on the IRC and write in the round
robins, please do.  They're a lot of fun, and they provide a sense of fan
community if not great literature<g>  This Saturday we gave Lois a Wizard of
Oz nightmare after going to sleep suffering from Ralph's Pagoda take-out in
The Phoenix episode.  Her fears of dating Clark manifested themselves in
that
MGM Technicolor classic ;) As Jimmy would say, it was "way psychological"
...
or as Jimmy would say as we recast him in the story "arf!" ;)  So keep an
eye
open for 'I Only Have Oz for You'  when it hits the list<g>

Whether IRC or e-mail round robin, they give you a chance to write with
other
writers and to create something as a team.  Even when we've had stories that
didn't pan out, and thus never hit the list (thankfully! ;) it didn't change
how much fun we had writing them together.  Maybe Eileen could post each
story
premise (we come up with those on Tuesday) to the fanfic list, and so anyone
who thinks that premise is interesting and would like to take a stab at IRC
fanfic, can join in.

Zoomway@aol.com
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
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Thank you to Pam and Zoomway for all your help in joining the Round
Robin and I may see you there on Saturday ...

I'll never be afraid to ask again ... ha ha ...

Thanks again!!!!

Angee
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Yes, thanks for the info Pam. Just on little question, I noticed the place
you
download the program seems to be for Mac users. I have a Tandy, can I still
download the program there or should I try and find a different site?

Thanks,
-Jessie~
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Now that I'm back from another weekend in the hills without electricity, I
thought I'd join the feedback thread.

As a writer, I adore feedback.  I keep all of it in a special folder and
print it out to put in a notebook with the appropriate story.  Never EVER
think that I don't care about receiving it.  Early, late (years later :), I
don't care.  However, I'm terribly guilty of not replying to the readers who
do take time to write. Hey, getting a thank-you letter out of me at
Christmas is like pulling teeth, so I don't know why I should think
cyber-space would be any different.

However, if a reader wants a response back from me, the solution is
extremely simple:  just ask me a question in your note.  I'm a teacher; I'm
genetically programmed to respond to questions.  I can guarantee with almost
100% certainty that I answered every reader response that contained a
question.  So, to all of you who wrote responses, thank you.  I appreciated
every one, and you made my day by sending that comment, whether it was a
detailed analysis or just an "I loved it!  Write more!"

As a reader, I'm even worse about writing comments because I just *can't*
write, "Wow!  That was terrific!"  I mean, I teach English, for God's sake.
My professional reputation is on the line here <g>  But I'm desperately
short of time as it is, and, frankly, I'd rather spend what time I *do* have
on my own writing or keeping up with the steady flow of fanfic.  It's not
fair, I know:  you other writers deserve feedback from me every bit as much
as I enjoy getting it.  But I also know that I'm probably not going to
change, either.  If 42 years of guilt over not writing more frequently to my
grandma hasn't made me a better letter writer, guilt over not responding to
a good fanfic isn't going to change anything.

Sheila Harper
(<sigh> Responding to the letters I receive would probably make me feel less
guilty, but writing a good scene makes me feel lots better than that, so
what can I do?  ;)

sharper@cncc.cc.co.us
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Hi Guys:

I want to thank all those on the IRC for their very kind greeting last
night.  I also want to apologize for not being savvy about all the various
commands, etc.  I'm afraid I'll never master that sound thing.  I'll
probably have to skip it.  Be that as it may, I now, and forever more, have
a lonely little sound wave in my abysmally vacant, little sound box that
keeps saying, "liar, liar"....  Thank you, Eileen.  Thank you from the
bottom of my heart.

Well, I do have a proposition for someone who has the patience of a
saint....   Could someone come on the IRC with me at a "down period" -- so I
don't bother anybody trying to send sounds to each other<g> -- and teach me
a little bit about the commands and various other neat features of the IRC.
(Perhaps we can log it so I can remember the answers.)

I'd really appreciate it.  And, I promise you -- in the meantime -- that I
will read the various instructions on how to behave on the IRC, which I
downloaded and then threw callously aside without an eye blink.

(Laurie, would you like to join me?)

Sandy
salymc@gateway.net
http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/
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Date:         Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:33:45 -0700
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From:         Mercedes Galvez-Arango <MGALVEZ@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>
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Ruth,
That's a great idea about the wedding ring found on supes finger.  I can see
the yellow journalist antennaes honing in on a scandal!!   --Mercedes
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I dare someone to write a LnC fanfic using old english!!!
        Mercedes
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Kate Crane wrote:

> In a message dated 98-07-19 21:28:03 EDT, you write:
>
> <I am starting Taken today (Printing it out now, and yes I do go
> through reams
> and reams of paper to support this addiction)!<<

Oh my gosh! you aren't kidding! And Ink too!  Just thought I'd mention,
allthough you all probably already thought of this, but I've been saving
the stories I print out and using the back side of them  for more
stories!  Saves on paper, unless your into printing them and keeping
them all nice in little binders.  I just save them on disk.

anyways back to my little world!

jamee
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:33:45 -0700 Mercedes Galvez-Arango
<MGALVEZ@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU> wrote:

> Ruth,
That's a great idea about the wedding ring found on supes'
finger. I can see the yellow journalist antennae homing in
on a scandal!! <

Then, of course, we could complicate matters: Superman gets
cornered by Nunk Mark II, complete with photos, and asked,
"What about this wedding ring?" What does he say? Does he
mention Zara (who was, according to Kryptonian law, his
wife)? Does he tell the (misleading) truth that he'd
married to Ultra Woman? And if he does, what might the
Newtrich sisters do, since they know who UW really was....

Or, he could say that he was once married to an Earth
woman, but she died -- i.e., Clois -- which is also the
truth, but again misleading (except to Luthor, and he's
DEAD!) The media frenzy that might follow _that_ revelation
would be something to see -- from a distance.... Bureau 39
might reappear, professing to be worried about the
"pollution" of the human gene pool, and they would get a
certain amount of public support, too. And then there'd be
all those women wanting to console poor, widowed (=
available!) Superman; hey, someone else got him, why not
them? <eg>

How Clark gets _out_ of this one will take some thought,
but I'll leave that to whatever mad-- er, _enterprising_
author <g> takes up the challenge.

Phil, who thinks that Lois would be _seething_ while all
this was going on....
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"If you let a smile be your umbrella...
   you'll get wet teeth!"
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In a message dated 7/20/98 1:21:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Zoomway@AOL.COM
writes:

<< Maybe Eileen could post each story premise (we come up with those on
Tuesday) to the fanfic list, and so anyone who thinks that premise is
interesting and would like to take a stab at IRC fanfic, can join in. >>

Gee Zoom thanks. Just what I need one more thing on my list of things to do
;).  Just kidding of course, I think it's a wonderful idea and if there are
no
objections I'll try to post a brief summary of the week's premise a few days
before we write with maybe a reminder notice on Saturday.

I also want to join with the other IRC regulars in inviting people to drop
by
and if they like what they see join our merry band of writers.  This week is
a
*skip* week meaning that we won't have a structured or formal writing
session
but that doesn't mean people won't be online in the channel either
discussing
fanfic or writing in general.  And there is always the chance that a spur of
a
moment story might break out.

Hope you can join us.

Eileen
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Having finished reading this about a week ago and, spurred by Genevieve's
request for feedback, I thought I'd post my comments to the list, given the
vast <g> number of writers involved.

I must admit I was wary of this story because I feared it would emphasize
the
pregnancy and tilt into prolonged sappiness which many of the pregnancy
stories tend to do; although, there have been some very touching 'pregnancy
fics', like New Birth and the Huntress' Revenge. But Full Circle turned out
to
be a great wrap up for TUFS!

The whole thing was well written. I can scarcely tell where one writer
picked
up the story line from another and the credit for this must go to Genevieve
as
editor ( and puppetmaster?), I think.

What I liked:
- that it was well written and clearly written!
- the introduction which set up Metroplois as being so "normal" and Clark as
the helpful stranger
- the vignettes which took us back into the past and expanded some of those
"scenes" from the series and provided a nice tertiary theme to the whole
story
- surprisingly,  most of the Jimmy and Sarah scenes. Usually my eyes glaze
over if Jimmy gets more than the "sidekick's" alotted page space

What I really liked
- the reactions and emotions of L & C as they awaited the birth of their
baby,
especially Clark's fear that he would not be there as he's torn between his
need to be with his family and his larger duty to help those in crisis
- Clark in action as Superman. The writers succeeded in really portraying a
"superhero" here, trying to figure out how to use his extraordinary abilites
to fight the earthquake and the fire. For me, this was the best part of the
story because I can't write this action stuff and I think it should be more
a
part of some of the fics that we write.

Some quibbles
- Ellen's a trained nurse. I find it surprising that she seemed so
incompetent
in this birth scenario.
- Can we quit trying to rehabilitate Sam Lane? Let's leave the guy with his
flaws; it's good for a bit of dramatic tension.
- a few paragraphing errors, I thought . (I know this is a cheap shot, given
the sentence errors in this post.)

I really enjoyed this story and I want to thank all the writers of both TUFS
and Season 5 for their efforts this year. They ( and their other fics) are
part of the reason why I've felt motivated to try writing as a way of saying
thank you for the enjoyment they've provided.

Carol
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Philip Atcliffe said:
>Mercedes Galvez-Arango <MGALVEZ@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU> wrote:

>> Ruth,
That's a great idea about the wedding ring found on supes'
finger. I can see the yellow journalist antennae homing in
on a scandal!! <<

> Then, of course, we could complicate matters: Superman gets
> cornered by Nunk Mark II, complete with photos, and asked,
> "What about this wedding ring?" What does he say? Does he
> mention Zara (who was, according to Kryptonian law, his
> wife)? Does he tell the (misleading) truth that he'd
> married to Ultra Woman? And if he does, what might the
> Newtrich sisters do, since they know who UW really was....

Well, Zara and Ultra Woman both had the media's attention
at one point, so it wouldn't be a stretch for people to believe
those stories.

> Or, he could say that he was once married to an Earth
> woman, but she died -- i.e., Clois -- which is also the
> truth, but again misleading (except to Luthor, and he's
> DEAD!)The media frenzy that might follow _that_ revelation
> would be something to see -- from a distance....

I hadn't even considered this one-- especially since it
could be twisted sooo wrong- although it might clear off some
of the 'consolers' since it demonstrates (or could be twisted...)
that getting too close to Superman might not be a good idea.

> Bureau 39
> might reappear, professing to be worried about the
> "pollution" of the human gene pool, and they would get a
> certain amount of public support, too. And then there'd be
> all those women wanting to console poor, widowed (=
> available!) Superman; hey, someone else got him, why not
> them? <eg>

And then there's the question- how did the woman die? Was Larry
Niven right? <g> I'm sure that question would go the rounds on
the talk shows if the Clois story got out.

> How Clark gets _out_ of this one will take some thought,
> but I'll leave that to whatever mad-- er, _enterprising_
> author <g> takes up the challenge.

I've actually been thinking a few decades into the future-
when the kids grow up and put on the tights- what happens
when 'Supergirl' calls Superman 'Dad'? If he's established
that he married sometime back, then the only question that
might come up is from Bureau 39- the whole aliens-breeding thing.
But if a super-kid shows up out of the blue, then there'll be
a circus- who was the mother, where has the kid been all these
years, how many more are out there... Not to mention the religious
right- is Superman promoting immoral acts like unmarried acts of
procreation? <g>

*sigh* The whole problem about writing in the future is that
even if you never write about all the intervening years, you
have to figure out what happened during them. And that's not
even taking into account the mental gymnastics of trying to
project the state of technology in 2020.

But that's another story for another time. :)
Misha
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From:         Gary <gar8434@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teri's Romeo and Juliet Appearances
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>>
>><< And for those interested in Trivia...name the two
>> acting performances of Teri Hatcher which involved
>> a storyline based upon Romeo & Juliet (Hint: both TV)
>>  >>
>>Wasn't one of those in Quantum Leap? I think the ep was called
>>"Starcrossed"...?
>>
>>Marie
>>
>
>Well, I wasn't thinking about that QL ep, but it is loosely
>based on R&J if only in the title. So you get 1/2 a point...
>
>
>(Hint:One was before L&C and the other was during L&C.)
>
>

Okay more hints: The 2nd one was live. The 1st was an occupation
that Lois had to use in Toy Story.

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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:40:14 EST
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From:         goldengrove unleaving <kubitc@KENYON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A Proposal for an IRC Tutorial

<< Well, I do have a proposition for someone who has the patience of a
saint....   Could someone come on the IRC with me at a "down period" -- so I
don't bother anybody trying to send sounds to each other<g> -- and teach me
a
little bit about the commands and various other neat features of the IRC.
(Perhaps we can log it so I can remember the answers.) >>

This sounds like a good idea, Sandy. I've been on IRC a few times, but have
only figured out how to chat; I, too, am clueless about sounds- all I know
is
that just turning on my speakers when they're being sent doesn't play them-
and
other fun IRC things. If possible, it'd be nice to have a "tutorial" for
others
who'd like to learn more about chatting. Or if it is logged, perhaps it
could
be posted on someone's site (unless there already is something of the type
posted somewhere) so that others could learn the fun features of IRC.

-Christy
 kubitc@kenyon.edu
 Attalanta on IRC
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In a message dated 98-07-21 00:21:47 EDT, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<< Sheila Harper
 (<sigh> Responding to the letters I receive would probably make me feel
less
 guilty, but writing a good scene makes me feel lots better than that, so
 what can I do?  ;)
  >>

Keep writing that fanfic Sheila...keep writing...because we sure do want to
keep reading<g>.

Laurie
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In a message dated 98-07-21 00:21:47 EDT, sharper@CNCC.CC.CO.US writes:

<< Sheila Harper
 (<sigh> Responding to the letters I receive would probably make me feel
less
 guilty, but writing a good scene makes me feel lots better than that, so
 what can I do?  ;) >>

And since we appreciate your writing, I for one, will settle for more
stories
and less responses to letters <g>.

--Laurie (liked the genetically programmed line ;)  )
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From:         Angee Chaudhry <angee.chaudhry@FASTC.DEMON.CO.UK>
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In message <009C9824.CA492C20.33@kenyon.edu>, goldengrove unleaving
<kubitc@KENYON.EDU> writes

>I've been on IRC a few times, but have
>only figured out how to chat;

This is the mIRC that we're talking about isn't it? I just wanted to
make sure because if it is then I too only know how to chat ... I didn't
think there was any way that you COULD send sounds .. but I could have
the wrong package ... I obviously have NO idea how this thing works ...
dumb that I am .. ha ha.

>If possible, it'd be nice to have a "tutorial" for others
>who'd like to learn more about chatting.

I would love this but unfortunately sometimes life doesn't permit it and
I can't get on-line, especially during weekdays!!!

>Or if it is logged, perhaps it could
>be posted on someone's site (unless there already is something of the type
>posted somewhere) so that others could learn the fun features of IRC.

That's a better idea .. especially for people who don't know about this
"tutorial" idea until it's too late .... and it would be a great record
for people, like myself, who often have a short term memory when it
comes to learning things .. ha ha.

Hope to hear more about it soon!!!!

Angee.
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Gary

You tease - the 'live one *has* to be her 'Maria' in West Side Story', as
part of SNL - must dash off to re-watch Toy Story!

Jenny

At 10:59 21/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>>
>>><< And for those interested in Trivia...name the two
>>> acting performances of Teri Hatcher which involved
>>> a storyline based upon Romeo & Juliet (Hint: both TV)
>>>  >>
>>>Wasn't one of those in Quantum Leap? I think the ep was called
>>>"Starcrossed"...?
>>>
>>>Marie
>>>
>>
>>Well, I wasn't thinking about that QL ep, but it is loosely
>>based on R&J if only in the title. So you get 1/2 a point...
>>
>>
>>(Hint:One was before L&C and the other was during L&C.)
>>
>>
>
>Okay more hints: The 2nd one was live. The 1st was an occupation
>that Lois had to use in Toy Story.
>
>
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Jenny Mills             j.mills@netcom.co.uk
                        jmills@ccta.gov.uk

Lois: In one lousy second, I lost my partner and my best friend. He died
without knowing. I never told him.                      - ToGoM

Wells: Destiny has blessed you both with each other. No small gift indeed.
There's many people who travel alone through, well, their whole lives and
envy what you two have together . . . greatly.          - Soul Mates
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:26:50 -0400
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C.C. Malo wrote:
>
> Having finished reading this about a week ago and, spurred by Genevieve's
> request for feedback, I thought I'd post my comments to the list, given
the
> vast <g> number of writers involved.

I must say that publically requesting feedback works!  I want to thank
all of you who have sent comments (even the ones that weren't
favorable).

>
> I must admit I was wary of this story because I feared it would emphasize
the
> pregnancy and tilt into prolonged sappiness which many of the pregnancy
> stories tend to do; although, there have been some very touching
'pregnancy
> fics', like New Birth and the Huntress' Revenge. But Full Circle turned
out to
> be a great wrap up for TUFS!

Never thought anyone would suspect me of "sappiness." <g>  I have enough
trouble getting the smallest of WaFFs in my stories.  Personally, I
would have preferred a tear-jerking medical emergency (like in Crystal's
"Full Circle" or Erin Klinger's story), but the TUFS folks decided it
would be a normal birth, with no disasters or anything.  As it was, I
was walking a thin line, trying to be factual and realistic, yet not
gross out the teenage boys in the audience.

> The whole thing was well written. I can scarcely tell where one writer
picked
> up the story line from another and the credit for this must go to
Genevieve as
> editor ( and puppetmaster?), I think.

Slave driver more likely.  Ask anyone who missed a deadline!

Believe it or not, one of the hardest things to coordinate was the
punctuation.  I decided early on that I would use an "official" style,
as opposed to "Genevieve's style," for, although *I* happen to think
that "Genevieve's style" is the easiest to reaad, I am aware that that
might not be an unbiased opinion.  So I picked the "Chicago Manual of
Style," for the sole reason that the library I work in had a circulating
copy on the shelves.

So that told me when to spell out a number (fifteen hundred) or use a
numeral (1486), how to punctuate a.m. and p.m., and whether it was
"X-ray vision" or "x-ray vision."  (The Chicago Press prefers "x-ray"
for a verb or an adjective, and "x ray" for a noun, like "gamma ray";
but acknowledges that there are varying styles for "x-ray" and will
accept "X-ray" if it is used consistently throughout the document.)  It
told me when to use a dash (--) and when to use an elipsis (...).
Elipsis are used to indicate ommissions in quoted materials, and
confusion in the part of speaker, where they are struggling to find the
right words.  So why did five of the TUFS writers (that's right, five!)
also use elipsis to indicate a question?  You know, when you sort of
trail off and your eyebrows go up and you wait for the person you're
talking to speak up.  The Chicago Press didn't mention that possibility
at all.

>
> What I liked:

> - the introduction which set up Metroplois as being so "normal" and Clark
as
> the helpful stranger

I wrote the introduction, and it's an example of what I love best about
Lois and Clark -- "The Secret."  We knew who the stranger helping the
tourists was (at least I hope everybody figured it out!), but the
tourists didn't.  Add to that that the tourists were *looking* for
Superman, while he was standing right in front of them, wearing glasses
-- well, it's the irony that Lois and Clark was built on.

I wanted to start FC:AND the same way I ended it -- with the public view
of Superman.  It begins with the tourists awe and hero-worshiping with
Superman as a role model for the children; it ends with Mick's pride in
Metropolis's Superhero.  There are a lot of structural similarities
between the beginning of the introduction and the beginning of the
epilogue -- the same kind of description, the same sentence structure
--which I didn't expect anyone to notice, not with eighty-some pages of
story in between, but I hoped it would give some sort of cohesion to the
story as a whole.

> - the vignettes which took us back into the past and expanded some of
those
> "scenes" from the series and provided a nice tertiary theme to the whole
story

These really did add a nice flavour to the story, and gave a chance for
the writers who didn't have a lot of time (/me waves to Pam and Jeff) to
contribute.

> - surprisingly,  most of the Jimmy and Sarah scenes. Usually my eyes glaze
> over if Jimmy gets more than the "sidekick's" alotted page space

It's a miracle that these scenes held together as well as they did; the
Jimmy and Sarah scenes were written by *four* different people (me, Beth
Freeman, Craig Byrne, and Kat Picson).  And then at the last minute my
two proofreaders (both of whom are from California) let me know what an
earthquake is *really* like, so I did some frenzied re-writing at the
last minute.

> What I really liked

> - the reactions and emotions of L & C as they awaited the birth of their
baby,
> especially Clark's fear that he would not be there as he's torn between
his
> need to be with his family and his larger duty to help those in crisis

> - Clark in action as Superman. The writers succeeded in really portraying
a
> "superhero" here, trying to figure out how to use his extraordinary
abilites
> to fight the earthquake and the fire. For me, this was the best part of
the
> story because I can't write this action stuff and I think it should be
more a
> part of some of the fics that we write.

I'm glad you mentioned this, because I think those scenes were
fantastic, too.  Sheila Harper wrote all the "Superman" scenes, and I
think she did an incredible job.  Not only did she have to research fire
storms, she showed how Superman felt about the disaster; about those he
couldn't help.  I especially love the scene where he is convincing the
woman in the nursing home to go with him -- he's so calm and so gentle,
even when the roof is about to fall in.

> Some quibbles
> - Ellen's a trained nurse. I find it surprising that she seemed so
incompetent
> in this birth scenario.

Ellen's a nurse, true.  In the TUFS episode "Yet Each Man Kills," we
established that she quit nursing when she married Sam -- not unusual
for the 1960's.  So she hasn't worked as a nurse in over thirty years.
She probably spent six weeks in obstretics during her training, and that
was it.  And when you consider how hospitals managed births in those
days ("twilight sleep" involved a number of drugs including a shot of
morphine at the beginning to dull the pain, and then the amnesiac
scopolamine), it's more than possible that Ellen wouldn't be much help
to Lois.

Here's a quote from one of the books I used as a reference: "The Birth
Book" by William and Martha Sears...

     Martha notes: "At the start of my nurse's training in the early
sixties, women finally began to get suspicious.  I remember my
instructors describing woman under 'twilight' behaving like deranged
animals and having to be tied to their beds.  On their backs, they were
in agony, but they could do nothing to help themselves; when they woke
up, they couldn't even remember it.  I'm sure those nurses caring for
these women didn't know it could be any different, and that the telling
of these horror stories were responsible for at leat my generation of
girls' having an exaggerated terror of childbirth, which lasted for
decades after 'twilight' was gone." (page 20)

> - a few paragraphing errors, I thought . (I know this is a cheap shot,
given
> the sentence errors in this post.)

I'm getting ready to send this story over the the archives, Carol, so if
you can remember where any of those are, let me know.  I'll want to fix
them before it gets archived.

> I really enjoyed this story and I want to thank all the writers of both
TUFS
> and Season 5 for their efforts this year. They ( and their other fics) are
> part of the reason why I've felt motivated to try writing as a way of
saying
> thank you for the enjoyment they've provided.
>
Carol, I'm looking forward to reading your stories.  (Have you finished
any?  I'll have to check.)  But anyone who avoids "sappy" pregnancy
stories and likes the anti-social Sam Lane sounds like someone whose
stories I'll love!

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.  Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.  (GBS -- Man and Superman)
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In a message dated 98-07-21 17:25:09 EDT, NightSky@erols.com writes:

<< Sheila Harper wrote all the "Superman" scenes, and I
 think she did an incredible job. >>

I second this! I, too, very much enjoyed that part of the story. :)  But I
really liked your opening with the tourists, too. :)

--Laurie (short on words tonight)
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>Received: from 156.56.121.21 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
>       Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:50:14 PDT
>X-Originating-IP: [156.56.121.21]
>From: "Shellie Beeker" <shellie54@hotmail.com>
>To: Klimtog@juno.com, queengeorge@juno.com, IceBeauty4@aol.com,
>    dipshit_41@hotmail.com, angel-face3@juno.com,
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>Subject: Fwd: nwswolf13@juno.com (Nick W Strauser): Not a chainL/read
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>
>
>>>From angel-face3@juno.com Mon Jul 13 17:53:29 1998
>>Received: (from angel-face3@juno.com)
>> by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DH3Z2EDB; Mon, 13 Jul 1998
>20:52:56 EDT
>>To: MerlinSRB3@aol.com, shellie54@hotmail.com, lum_jhax@hotmail.com,
>>        KMCantrell@aol.com, cdoughtie@yahoo.com, j_droste@hotmail.com,
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>>        highduchessofbob@juno.com, kristen-martin@juno.com,
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>>        Angie_Risen_White_at_LC2004@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com,
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>>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:51:11 -0500
>>Subject: nwswolf13@juno.com (Nick W Strauser): Not a chainL/read it
>>Message-ID: <19980713.194238.3510.0.angel-face3@juno.com>
>>X-Mailer: Juno 1.49
>>X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4,6-12,16-20,22-23,32-35,37-56
>>From: angel-face3@juno.com (Katie E Martin)
>>
>>--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
>>From: nwswolf13@juno.com (Nick W Strauser)
>>To: Sunny9883@aol.com, friendly15@hotmail.com,
>>smashbabe@yahoo.com,btarleton@hotmail.com, angel-face3@juno.com,
>>kfmj@kiva.net,hugalot@aol.com, queenbob@hotmail.com, SheGi18@aol.com
>>Cc: amberbrown1@juno.com, klimtog@juno.com,
>>sunnydelite1@juno.com,specter186@aol.com, dumbass_77@hotmail.com
>>Subject: Not a chainL/read it
>>Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:46:54 EDT
>>Message-ID: <19980713.105440.8303.0.nwswolf13@juno.com>
>>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>I just received this mail from a friend of mine  in my College.
Please
>>respond to it. It will just mean employing a little bit of  time and
>>won't cost you a penny. All it needs is the heart for  you to send
this
>>mail.
>>
>>PLEASE pass this mail on to everybody you know.  It is the request
>>of a little girl who will soon leave this world as she has been a
>victim
>>of the terrible disease called CANCER. Thank you  for your effort,
>>this isn't  a chain letter, but a choice for all of us to save a
little
>>girl
>>that's  dying of a serious and fatal form of cancer.  Please send
>>this to everyone you know...or don't know. This little girl has 6
>months
>>left to live, and as her dying wish, she wanted to send a chain letter
>>telling everyone to live their life to fullest, since she never will.
>>She'll never make it to prom, graduate from high school, or get
married
>>and have a family of her own.  By you sending this to as many people
as
>>possible, you can give her and her family a little hope, because with
>>every name that this is sent to, The American Cancer Society will
>donate
>>3 cents per name to her treatment and recovery plan.  One guy sent
this
>>to 500 people!!!!
>>
>>So,I know that we can send it to at least 5 or 6.
>>Come on you guys.... and if you're too selfish to take 10-15
>>minutes scrolling this and forwarding it to EVERYONE, then you are one
>>sick person.
>>
>>Just think it could be you one day.It's not even your money,
>>just your time!!!
>>
>>PLEASE PASS ON
>>
>>Dr. Dennis Shields
>>Professor
>>Department of Developmental and
>>Molecular Biology
>>Albert Einstein College of
>>Medicine of Yeshiva University
>>1300 Morris Park Avenue
>>Bronx, New York 10461
>>Phone 718-430-3306
>>Fax 718-430-8567
>>
>>
>>--------- End forwarded message ----------
>>
>
>
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FoLCs, please do not forward stuff like this to the list.  As well-meaning
as it may be, this letter is a hoax which the ACS has repeatedly denied.
The letter exists in a number of forms, all equally untrue.  See their web
page at http://www.cancer.org/chain.html for more information.

There are many whole web servers devoted to similar hoaxes.  See
http://www.urbanlegends.com, for example.  If you have any doubts, check
there first.

Sorry to be a party pooper!

-Emily
--
Emily Crawford/Warbler on IRC
ccsupec@helen.oit.gatech.edu
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Hi Guys,

>From what I could see, it seems that Genevieve, Laurie, Christy, and Angee
(who may not be able to do this, but would like a log) are interested in
getting to learn a little bit more about the IRC, as I do.

Professor Lansbury<g> (Annie) has volunteered to teach the "ins and outs."
(I hope she grades on a curve cause I have a cum to think of.)

Unless we are all on the East coast, what I suggest we do is decide on a day
and a time (of course) that incorporates all the time zones within a
reasonable range.  (You all know about this better than I.)  *And*, we do it
at an hour that won't disturb the normal L&C chat -- unless we can do it on
another channel or whatever?  (That'll be one of my questions.)

Laurie will be away from the 29th to the 5th, so we could try the weekend of
the July 25th, the weekend of the August 8th, or a weeknight in between --
No weekdays, please.  Can't do.  (How's that for narrowing it down; okay I'm
hopelessly indecisive. ; )

Once the logistics are ironed out (I forsee many wrinkles<g>), we should
probably come prepared with questions so we don't waste our time,
spitballing or passing love notes. (None of you ladies are my type anyway.)
I also suggest that we ask the simplest of questions as well as the more
difficult ones -- even if we already know the answers -- so that this
session will be all inclusive.  In other words, I want to *re*-ask the
questions I posed to Beppo when I first jumped in without checking the water
line.<g>.  I'm sure she got a real chuckle out of this classic:

"Um ... how do I leave?"

Does anyone have other any other ideas or better ones then these?  Thanks
for jumping into *this* pool without checking the water line.

Sandy -- our lady of the perpetual student
salymc@gateway.net
Or, read a pretentious piece of L&C Fanfic at:
http://www.erols.com/nightsky/Sandy/
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By the way, if Annie calls any of us "Grasshopper," the first one who learns
how to send a sound, gets to blast her with it.

Sandy
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I knew that hint was too good..."I just met a girl named Maria!"

At 09:48 PM 7/21/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Gary
>
>You tease - the 'live one *has* to be her 'Maria' in West Side Story', as
>part of SNL - must dash off to re-watch Toy Story!
>
>Jenny
>
>
>>>>
>>>><< And for those interested in Trivia...name the two
>>>> acting performances of Teri Hatcher which involved
>>>> a storyline based upon Romeo & Juliet (Hint: both TV)
>>>>  >>
>>>>Wasn't one of those in Quantum Leap? I think the ep was called
>>>>"Starcrossed"...?
>>>>
>>>>Marie
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well, I wasn't thinking about that QL ep, but it is loosely
>>>based on R&J if only in the title. So you get 1/2 a point...
>>>
>>>
>>>(Hint:One was before L&C and the other was during L&C.)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Okay more hints: The 2nd one was live. The 1st was an occupation
>>that Lois had to use in Toy Story.
>>
>>

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i've read Full Circle but i don't think i know full circle: a new day. is
that a different story and, if it is, where can i get it?

sharon
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---salymc <salymc@GATEWAY.NET> wrote:
>
> By the way, if Annie calls any of us "Grasshopper," the first one
who learns
> how to send a sound, gets to blast her with it.
>
> Sandy

a-ha! now I've come up with a good question: How do you send a sound?
:)

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