From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9801E" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:26:26 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Linda Deneroff Subject: Re: Fanfic Awards In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980128041719.08ef0652@swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Why not just call them Kerths. After all, there's no such thing as "professional" kerths. Linda At 04:13 AM 01/28/1998 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:43 PM 1/26/98 -0500, Demi wrote: > >>Call the awards "The Fanfic Kerths" > >And the winners could receive little golden cyber Timmy statues :) > >Debby >Debby@swcp.com >wondering if it's true that NASA >has decided not to explore beyond >Earth orbit any more... > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:36:46 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: Motivations [was Re: Punch lines [was -- oh, forget it In-Reply-To: <2f2b0a11.34c7af89@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:43 PM 1/22/98 EST, Zoomway wrote: >I tend to call the 'punch line' part of any story the 'payoff'. I can >honestly say I have no idea how my stories will end until I reach the end. I >can't work from an outline (not mine, but I can work from someone else's) I'd >actually love to hear how fanfic writers on the list work. What prompts a >fanfic writer to cover a certain story premise? And when they do, why a >certain direction, and not another? That's the part that fascinates me. Okay, I had some time today and decided to tackle this one, too, just for the fun of it. If you don't want the entire load dumped on you, stop here. Remember now, you were warned. Just recently, I read a quote from a very popular published romance author who said, when asked where her stories came from, that her very first book grew directly out of her love of history and being intrigued with the heavy equipment and weapons medieval knights worked with. She said she was reading about battle shields and how heavy they were and began imagining what kind of man would actually be able to handle them and right before her eyes a knight was born. The very first scene in her first published romance is two servants having to struggle to hand his shield and other weapons up to this enormous knight in full battle armour on a war horse. Until she actually tried to publish it, she didn't even know she'd written a romance. She'd simply written her knight's story. Several years ago, the idea of a full story coming from one image like that would've sounded so strange to me. Not now. In a way, that's how all the L&C stories I've tackled have started. LOIS' REVENGE grew out of seeing the picture of Superman that Lois kept around in season one and wondering what would happen if she ever did the unthinkable sacrilege of doodling on it. Gracious, now I can't remember, but was that picture on her desk at work or in her apartment? Of course, for the unthinkable to happen, I had to make her mad. Somehow, I just couldn't imagine Lois that mad without wanting to get some revenge for her trouble and I knew exactly what revenge she'd want. IF she was at all fair about it. Okay, so fairness had nothing to do with Clark's punishment. I was chatting on-line with a friend one day and we were wondering what rule said Lois had to fall for Superman instead of Clark. I think I casually quipped that for it to happen Lois would have to see Clark first. Then I began thinking about my own words because I knew they didn't make any sense. Which was my first mistake, because once I figured out what I meant - really see him, him as in the man, not either disguise -- IN THE BEGINNING resulted from not being able to get that little concept out of my head once it took root. What would happen if she saw him, no blinders, before he had a chance to become either one - hack from Smallville or alien - in her head and heart? That story almost wrote itself once I started putting it into words. It's the only one I've written so far where I truly had no idea where it was going or where I wanted it to go, but just went along for the ride. Then there's SANCTUARY and my current NEBS project. Yes, the original story was nfic, but discussing what motivated me to begin playing with the concept in the first place brings up something I've also wanted to comment on with regards to the nfic vs. regular fanfic discussion -- which is that sometimes the reasons a story is nfic has more to do with openly discussing issue than graphic physical descriptions. In fact, I honestly believe that a great deal of the demand for nfic concerning L&C from the writer's perspective comes from the fact that so many of the possibilities in their stories COULDN'T be covered in a family hour television series on a broadcast network and Not all these possibilities involve sex. [Oh, sure, a lot of them do, just go with me here . . . ] Believe me, I know I certainly didn't set out to write SANCTUARY as nfic simply because I don't write all that graphically to begin with. Nor do I want to. I did, however, want to deal with certain issues related to Clark's alienness and those placed some of the scenes and discussion well within the range of nfic. The result of this is that I found I couldn't simply edit out parts of the story to create a PG version for the regular list because there wouldn't be much story left. The overall premise is the same, but some touchy issues simply can't be dealt with. Once I realized that, I decided it would be more appropriate to tell more story all the way around, because there were lots of little things I had originally wanted to include in the first story and didn't. Then things really started snowballing . . . just ask my editors. But, enough, back to motivations. First, there isn't any one image that resulted in the original SANCTUARY premise. There are actually two and both are from the first season -- the globe glowing quietly alone in the child's treehouse labeled 'Fortress of Solitude' and Lex Luthor's hidden underground fortress he called an arc. Fascinating how similar those two completely unrelated images are when compared. Both are islands of seclusion and protection, yet total opposites of the other. Coming from Lex, the offer of 'sanctuary' was one of the most worrisome concepts imaginable but I couldn't get out of my head the eerie, um, premonition of Clark making a similar offer to Lois. There's just one main question to answer -- under what conditions could that possibly happen, past, present, or future? The possibilities are unlimited and yet strangely very limited, all depending on how one defines Superman. In exactly the same way, I know exactly where *I* want this story to go and yet have no idea where it will end up because the characters don't always cooperate and the series most certainly didn't either. Which is not always a bad thing. Beverly :-) ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:01:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Grace Wong Subject: Hello all folc fanfic writers! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi folcs! After considering long and hard, I decided to join the fanfic listserv. I'm already on Loiscla, so those of you who's on that list knows me. (or at least know my name) but I'm going to introduce myself again anyway. My name is Grace Wong, and I live in Taiwan. I'm a freshman at National Sun-yat Sen University. I've written three LnC fanfics and two had been posted at the fanfic site under the name Stacey Wong. And I like WAFFy LnC fanfic. That's all for now! Bye! Grace Wong _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:26:34 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "K.M. de Castro" Subject: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-28 09:05:45 EST, Sheila wrote: << Wake up? No. Be standing in the shower scrubbing my hair with lather dripping in my eyes? Yes! Be in the middle of explaining a math problem to a student who has come into the learning lab for tutoring? Yes! Be driving to work with only five minutes to make a seven minute drive? Yes! Are you seeing a pattern here? >> This brings up an interesting question... What kinds of occupations are represented by the fanfic writers, readers and lurkers? I've heard a few bashes against those of us who read romantic novels (GASP!) I grew up on them. Does that make me unintelligent? I certainly hope not. Personally, I think there is a stereotype out there that implies that people who read/write/want to write anything romantic or showing love or warmth between two people are sappy, foolish, bubbleheaded human beings. But, as evidenced in the above clip, Sheila is teaching in a math lab. She has written great fanfic, is obviously mature enough if she is in a teaching situation, and has the ability to plan out what she wants the characters to do. This is NOT the sign of the aforementioned stereotypical behavior! So... what do we do when we're not in CyberSpace? And further, how does that affect our writing/reading habits? Personally, since I've been on this listserv, I have yet to figure out why I pay the cable bill (Uh... your husband likes A&E and the Discover channels, and you need cable for LNC reruns on TNT). Oh, yeah. Just some thoughts, Marie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:26:24 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "K.M. de Castro" Subject: Re: Author motivations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-27 22:40:24 EST, you write: << So what do you do when the idea sticks and it isn't even your style? >> Ask someone else to write it? Marie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:08:22 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Grace Wong Subject: Re: Author motivations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"K.M. de Castro" wrote: > > In a message dated 98-01-27 22:40:24 EST, you write: > > << So > what do you do when the idea sticks and it isn't even your style? > >> > Ask someone else to write it? > Marie > Is that what you call "throw in a fanfic challange" Grace Wong _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:25:18 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Zoomway Subject: Motivation (was Re: Punch lines Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-23 07:47:23 EST, GWalden@AOL.COM writes: << One reason I have such a hard time coming up with a list of "favorite" (as opposed to "good" - I'd agree with most of the lists of top stories that were discussed before) is that I'm in the very small group of fans who prefer stories *within* the continuity. I may be the only person who likes the revelation on the show better than any of the ones done in fanfic<<<<<< I agree. I prefer reading stories written within the show's continuity and writing them within the show's continuity. Not that I always do There's also two types of continuity for me; 1) plot line and 2) character continuity. A lot of the vignette fanfic is of the second type. A writer wanting to test/explore the character dynamic. I think there's stories out there that rewrite the show's history because one function fanfic serves is wish-fulfillment. "I wish Lex hadn't..." "I wish that Clark had..." "I wish the show's direction went like..." and so on. I don't generally like doing a rewrite but rather find a reason/motive that can still work with established continuity. There's some great speculative story lines that are in the category of "what if this happened instead of this.." or "what if this first season thing happened third season" These stories nicely use the character continuity angle. The motive for writing some stories is to find the motive Why didn't Clark tell Lois the truth sooner? Why did Lois almost marry a man she didn't love? Why did Mayson hate Superman? This also brings up how fans see characters differently too. I disagree with another poster who felt Mayson didn't hate Superman. It seemed obvious to me that she did in the series, even Clark acknowledged that, "Mayon likes me..Clark, but she hates Superman, which is kind of confusing, because Lois loves Superman, but only likes Clark. Mayson likes Clark, but in a different way than Lois, but she hates Superman in a way that's different from anybody." If I were to put it milder than hate, I guess I'd say contempt I'm afraid if holding a suspect until the police arrive, or handing a suspect over to police is being a vigilante, then anyone who has made a citizen's arrest is a vigilante. Let's face it, that about sums up Superman's crimefighting style. One big problem with Mayson is that she was written so unevely in her few appearances. In Church of Metropolis she accused Superman of being a vigilante, but turned around in Top Copy and launched him after Diana Stride, and then did an about-face again in Lucky Leon saying she felt he was a criminal all along, and now he'd proved it. Make up your mind!! I think they had to blow her up to keep from finally finding some stability for her character >>For instance, Zoomway's "Counter Clark-Wise" (*my* first fanfic - lucky for me) is set in the first season's continuity, and doesn't require that you ignore anything else that happened then, or subsequently.<<<< That's true. If I'd written the story in 4th season, likely I'd have the married Clark's point of view, and likely it wouldn't be the Linear Men in the story I had to use them, because Counter Clark-Wise was written way before Tempus Fugitive and thus way before the introduction of Wells and Tempus. That's another thing too, some stories (a *lot*) were written before the show was over, and therefore might seem out of sync with the series' plot line simply because they were speculation stories way-back-when. Though if viewed today by people who have no idea how old the stories are, some might think they were rewrites, when of course they were not. >> In-between stories that expand on stuff that happened on-screen are a popular genre, but to me, the best ones don't introduce any events or knowledge that can't be tied into what happened in later episodes.<<< In-betweenies are fun to write ;) Though I agree that they should stay within the continuity of point A (where the episode cuts off and where the 'in- betweenie' begins) and point Z (where the in-betweenie ends, and the episode picks up again) That is, suppose you want to do an in-between scene from The Prankster. We know Lois falls asleep against Clark, and at some point he covers her with a blanket. Maybe an in-between scene could have Lois waking up and finding Clark's arm around her, maybe they talk, but it's very unlikely anything overtly romantic would happen, because it sure doesn't pick up that way in the next scene, though a lot of character 'thoughts' chould be flying fast and furious >>>>I really admire the writers who produce so many stories, and especially the ones who can think on their feet and write extemporaneously on-line. I experience brain freeze under those circumstances.;)<<<< That's probably another good thread < Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nancy Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >This brings up an interesting question... What kinds of occupations are >represented by the fanfic writers, readers and lurkers? I've heard a few >bashes against those of us who read romantic novels (GASP!) I grew up on them. >Does that make me unintelligent? I certainly hope not. Personally, I think >there is a stereotype out there that implies that people who read/write/want >to write anything romantic or showing love or warmth between two people are >sappy, foolish, bubbleheaded human beings. Well, I am a secretary for a fire station. I used to be in the business of selling collectible romance books that had not been published in the U. S., so I can personally vouch for the fact that there are a lot of people - men included - who have Masters degrees and who read romances. There are also a lot of people out there whose devouring of those books drops off sharply once they start reading fan fiction! Nancy, delurking in Seattle mrspeel@blarg.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:16:18 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-30 23:11:23 EST, Nancy writes: << I can personally vouch for the fact that there are a lot of people - men included - who have Masters degrees and who read romances. There are also a lot of people out there whose devouring of those books drops off sharply once they start reading fan fiction! >> Ssshh!! Don't let this get out, or Silhouette and Harlequin will start charging the websites . Or, worse yet, our writers will start charging us what they are worth !! I personally have saved enough to justify my online service just switching to fanfic. Furthermore, the writing quality is actually better than most of the paperbacks I used to love. Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:32:37 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Breezy Walsh Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit When I'm not at my computer dilligently working on my homework...(uh yeah... that's what I'm doing mom) I'm either in school, playing in one of 3 bands, the chorus, choir, teaching one of my 3 students, working in the pit band for the muscial, working on the senior show, repairing the auditorium I work in, playing with my dogs (Lois and Tyrone), working with my friend Ken making web pages (that's a job... I guess it still counts as cyber time), talking on the phone once in a great while, playing DJ at the radio station, hanging out with my parents cuz they have this thing about being with me, reading fanfic and other stuff, writing, learning new instruments (I'm up to 17), and watching Lois and Clark and old musicals... hmmm... I think that's it, no wait I forgot math team, mock trial andthere's something else that I'm forgetting, but that's enough for today. Anyone else have trouble fitting any sleep into their day or want to give some hints? Breezy "Eat, sleep, Lois and Clark, FoLCs, music, that's my life" Walsh ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:43:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >This brings up an interesting question... What kinds of occupations are >represented by the fanfic writers, readers and lurkers? I've heard a few ooook. (No, I'm not a librarian!) I answered the last thread, let's go with this one ... I've an Honours degree in Computer Science, and went back to school part-time after a couple of years of programming to do an Arts degree (majoring in English or Linguistics, although it was only my first year). Then, I met my husband and changed continents *grin*. Did a little more programming work before the commute almost killed me (too too long!!! How can you people commute like that???) and while looking for something a little closer to home, temped as a receptionist where my hubby Dan works (the Sidney Kimmel Cancer Center -- non-profit research place) ... I've stayed on ... I'm now a receptionist/scientific secretary/webmaster/internet trainer/jill-of-all-trades, which certainly keeps things interesting. If I can ever get my act together, I plan to do more web design work .... >And further, how does that affect our writing/reading habits? I am *way* way behind on my fanfic reading .... all of it :) I seem to get a lot of writing done at work *grin* and I read either in bed at night, or when I have time on the weekends ... Leanne Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Lois and Clark Season 5 Fanfic: http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/ ********************************************************** Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:44:57 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Julie Mack Subject: Re: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L Digest - 29 Jan 1998 to 30 Jan 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/30/98 9:07:28 PM, Marie wrote: <> Well, I'll admit it....I read romance novels too. They're a great escape from the rigors of my career. Like Sheila, I too teach math ....but at a public high school in the Los Angeles Unified School District. I've been teaching for 16 years and beginning next school year, I'm changing job descriptions. From interacting with students in the classroom, I will soon be interacting with students as a career counselor at our school. All my students know that I have a "thing" for Superman. Only a few have figured out that my "thing" is really for Dean ....smart kids Anyways, when I'm not online, reading message boards, chatting on IRC, or writing fanfic or nfic, that's what I do That's my story and I'm sticking to it Julie Mack Mackteach@aol.com (My third TUFS episode, Stranger Things Have Happened, will be "airing" online February 8....http://members.aol.com/thenando/tufs.html) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:09:42 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Julie Mack Subject: Ooops...sorry 'bout that Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm a newbie when it comes to posting to the listserv....sorry about that subject line on my last post.... It SHOULD have been: "When Not In Cyberspace..." But...you knew that, didn't you? ;) Julie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:36:13 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- >This brings up an interesting question... What kinds of occupations are >represented by the fanfic writers, readers and lurkers? I've heard a few I work in the Word Processing department at State Farm Insurance -- I spend my day typing at a computer and then come home and... type at a computer. Do you sense a pattern here? I'm also a part-time University student, working on a Masters in library and information science, but I'm not in school this semester, so I've tim= e to get caught up on my fanfic reading, maybe actually write a couple of = those stories that have been rattling around in my head... When I'm not typing at a computer (working/studying/fanfic-ing), I go to dinner & movies with my buddy Ed -- we also go garage sale-ing whenever possible (a man who loves to shop -- it's heavenly! ;) or go wandering through bookstores and flea markets. He's a cool guy. Peace A FoLC Named Peace is settling into a new home! Come visit me at my new place, and read my fanfic http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/7137 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:56:13 +0000 Reply-To: Barbara.Geraud@mixcom.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Barbara Geraud Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >This brings up an interesting question... What kinds of occupations are >represented by the fanfic writers, readers and lurkers? I've heard a Delurking here, just to assure you all (as if you were really worried ) I've not dropped off the face of the earth....:} Well, let's see......45-50 hours/week at my primary job, which is quoting/designing/selling diesel fuel tanks for electric power generators, then entering and following up on all the orders. I handle about $400K worth of orders a month, and since they're our 5 biggest companies, the stress factor is rather high. Then there's (right now) about 30 hours/week at H&R Block, where I've worked for 23 years taking care of people who are either afraid of the government, don't know what they're doing, or are too lazy to do their own taxes (present company excepted, of course! ). Andoh, yeah, in my "spare" time, I'm working with my fiance, the absolutely wonderful Jon Knutson, to plan and carry off our upcoming wedding (May 2!) (with no-one from either of our families here in Milwaukee, we're doing it *all* ourselves.....). His schedule is almost as bad - he works about a 45-50 hour week also, as an Electronic Pre-Press Coordinator for a printing company---like I do with Block, he takes care of other peoples' mistakes so their jobs can print properly.....:}.... When he's not doing that, he's doing our grocery shoping and cooking and doing laundry and whatever he can so I don't have to think about "mundane" things when I'm home......(No, ladies, you can't have him! :} ) Beyond that and *his* work on the wedding, he's learning to design web pages and scouring the web to find me more Pepe Le Pew things for my ever-growing collection.....:} >And further, how does that affect our writing/reading habits? ------*Sigh* Neither of us really has time for reading much beyond the Sunday comics, grocery store ads, and TV Guide...:}..... There's time to read during lunch breaks, but he's into the Mac tech journals, and I need real escape - romance novels (Deveraux, Linsley, Johansen), sci-fi (Niven, Ellison, later Heinlein, or spy-type stuff (Ludlum, Sanders). Can't remember the last time I read a fanfic----I keep accumulating them (regular and "n") on the hard drive, then transferring 'em over to the Zip disk, and one of these days, RSN, I'm gonna get them reformatted and printed out and bound and read...... (Jon says he can wait 'til then, too.) As far as our own writing, I have a great deal of difficulty with anything involving a "plot" of any sort, so I've usually been limited to the occasional phrasal contribution on #nfic..... Jon says he just hasn't been "inspired" for writing lately, which is a shame, 'cause even before I met him, I enjoyed his fanfic...... And we keep talking about trying to do some sort of joint effort---on L&C of course! Enjoying this thread - it's nice to see what y'all are doing! Barbara now off to another *l*o*n*g* day at H&R..... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Barbara.Geraud@mixcom.com WAFFyBarb on IRC from the land of Cheese and Beer and my beloved Fiancee of Jon Knutson - the most wonderful man alive Believer that fairy tales *can* come true.... http://members.tripod.com/WAFFyBarb/index.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:36:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Nerissa Reyes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would like to know how to be removed from this list. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:37:42 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jeanne Pare Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thought I'd jump in here. I'm a 7th/8th Spanish teacher, English being my native language and having learned Spanish the hard way...i.e. in school. I have never read a romance novel in my life, but I love L&C fanfic. I have always been an avid reader though, my favorite genre being mysteries, fantasies and historical fiction. I also spend a lot of time reading for information. Besides school work (I always seem to have a ton) and cyberspace (my relaxation), I enjoy my three Tonkinese cats, my family and my house. I do my own wallpapering, painting and curtain making, etc. I'm very handy around the house...a regular Mrs. Fixit. I spent about 18 years doing ceramics as a hobby, but haven't had any time for crafty things in a few years so I guess I could say that phase is over. Over the years we have done a lot of cross country traveling via camping. I was very much into aerobics for many years when it was the rage. Now I'm a walker (except for knee problems...oh,age). My Nordic Track is now a coat hanger. I'm one of the editors for the L&C fanfic archive. It may seem like a busmen's holiday to correct papers for fun. I can't explain it, even to my hubby who is also a teacher, but I just get some satisfaction out of it. Probably because I love fanfic, but for the life of me I can't seem to come up with ideas for story lines. At least by editing, I feel I am contributing. I've sat in on several of the round robin fanfic sessions and after awhile I just feel intimidated because they are so good and I can only think of one liners, at best. I get a kick out of watching the stock market and participating in an occassional buy or sell. I leave the Wall Street Journal mostly to my hubby who has become the real intellectual in this family as I happily sink into the gutter and splash around in cyberspace with my L&C pals. I have become the family computer expert, however, and I was one of the first 5 faculty members in our system to be on the internet and the only one on IRC. I've been able to help many colleagues get started, although I still have a great deal to learn myself. Over the years I've been into health foods and recently herbs. I bake my own bread and grow my own sprouts (when I have time which is scarce these days...the computer HAS taken over much of my leisure time. I don't even sleep that much anymore). So, I guess that's it or rather "me." Jeanne ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:45:21 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lori McElhaney Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-31 00:45:13 EST, you write: << >This brings up an interesting question... What kinds of occupations are >represented by the fanfic writers, readers and lurkers? I've heard a few >> Well, I am a chemist in an environmental lab - mother of 2 active children (one's into every sport, so no off - season), the other's a competitive figure skater(lots of early morning training before school) - so most of my writing is done in the wee hours of the morning - the only time it's quiet enough to concentrate. Also, my husband's a bit of a tease about my L&C/online obsession - so only my online friends have read anything I've written. But apart from fanfic, which I usually printout and read at lunchtime at work, I enjoy murder mysteries ( like Sue Grafton), and sci-fi. Lori ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:08:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Michelle Glenn Subject: Kathy's Challenge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know, I know!! Excel with X-El = Send in the clones by T. Ackerman Michelle ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:50:03 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Laurie Stroh Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-30 19:28:03 EST, you write: << So... what do we do when we're not in CyberSpace? And further, how does that affect our writing/reading habits? >> Ok, I'll bite on this one. I don't have a job where I get a paycheck but I do think what I do is important....for the time being I am a stay at home mom of a four year old son and a seven year old daughter..... In this age of the two income family I feel really blessed that I have the opportunity to stay at home for my kids. I am able to car pool to school and to the endless afterschool activities, I volunteer in their classrooms and of course I am in charge of most of what would be called the "domestic" duties. My husband works really long hours and travels a lot so it's much easier for me to do these tasks and that gives us more family time when he is home. I am a tradtional mom in a time when what was once considered "the norm" is not! I guess my favorite non-cyberspace passtimes would be reading L&C fanfic and working out, oh and I watch L&C on TNT! Laurie LStroh1856@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:26:02 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Crystal Wimmer Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello fellow FoLCs: << << >This brings up an interesting question... What kinds of occupations are >represented by the fanfic writers, readers and lurkers? I've heard a few >> >> Everyone seems to be getting on the band wagon, so I'll put in my two cents worth . I spent four years running a home daycare, and it was the schoolage boys that got me hooked on L&C. They just loved Superman! Now, I am substitute teaching in a local school district until my Illinois teaching credentials can be converted to a California equivalent. I have plenty of time for reading fanfic when kids are working independantly, and my husband recently bought me a laptop word processor so I can take my writing along as well. As for what else I may do, I have a husband and two boys (aged 3 and 9), so my time is limited. I appear to have developed an addiction to IRC, but I accomplish this primarily when I *should* be sleeping, so as not to irritate my husband too much. L&C is my primary form of recreation, whether reading, watching, or writing. It has also offered me an opportunity to make some friends, while my current profession makes friendships really difficult (I'm never in one job long enough to meet people). It has been interesting seeing all the teachers that are L&C fans...I wonder if it is a trend, or if it's just that kids-at-heart tend to be teachers. This has been fun. Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:34:26 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: Kathy's Challenge In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I know, I know!! > Excel with X-El =3D Send in the clones by T. Ackerman BING! BING! BING!!! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner... finally... Yes, Michelle is right! :) Peace ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:49:34 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: Kathy's Challenge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, now that we've got #whichever it was taken care of by Michelle, we've still got at least one challenge outstanding: >Lois tells Lucy that Clark is Superman (sorry, Bev, I've lost track of which number this is, and can't find your list.) And to keep this going, and perhaps get into the punchlines bit (yes, I know, no spoilers), a lot of stories have a bit of poetry at the end -- which one ends with a Bible verse? Peace who really enjoyed this game let's not end it yet!! ;) I'm not a teacher anymore, but I'm still a kid at heart. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:09:42 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Tracey Barlow Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm taking up this one to emerge from lurkdom and make my first post for '98. I'm yet another of those Maths teachers (we add the 's' from our early school years ), working 3 days a week in a secondary school. I teach Years 9 and 10, although this year I have ventured into a year 11 Science class as well. I have three girls aged from 6 to 12 and am required to spend 18 hours a term helping at their school but I'm sure I probably do more like 40 hours!. I spend a lot of time playing taxi service running the girls to ballet and swimming and music and birthday parties and play a very ordinary game of beach volleyball for my own "relaxation". I seem to spend a lot of time online but during the *noisy* times in the US I'm either asleep or at work or cooking dinner, so that while I'm there I'm not very often *there*. I love collecting logs and reading them later and I've been known to add a line or two to fics and then disappear into the never never . I have a list of online "to do's" and as a world class procrastinator (hi John ), I should never promise anything.....I'm still working on two or three projects which I hope will see the light of day this side of ....Easter??. In my spare time I avoid housework and gardening and correcting .... All of us are watchers - of television, of time, of clocks, of traffic on the freeway - but few are observers. Everyone is looking, not many are seeing. Peter M.Leschak Tracey Barlow barlow@netspace.net.au ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:41:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sara Kraft Subject: Re: Kathy's Challenge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >And to keep this going, and perhaps get into the punchlines bit >(yes, I know, no spoilers), a lot of stories have a bit of poetry >at the end -- which one ends with a Bible verse? In the Beginning, by BB Medos (aka Bev) Sara (who was shocked to find out that Bev was really BB Medos....'I'm not mad....I'm hurt...'....okay not really but I liked the allusion) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:44:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: Re: What Do We Do When We're Not in CyberSpace? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:56 AM 1/31/98 +0000, you wrote: >>This brings up an interesting question... What kinds of occupations are >>represented by the fanfic writers, readers and lurkers? I've heard a Actually, I just got a new job as an accountant for a small apartment complex. I do the taxes, quarterly, yearly, and payroll, pay his gas bills (and boy! does he have gas!). electric, water bills. Working on a loan for him. and I walk his dog... Oh, and how long have I worked there? One day. Oh, and ask me what my degree is in? Bachelors in Music Performance, French horn. Okay, one more question. Have I ever done accounting before? Nope. The guy said he liked me, thought I am smart and liked the fact that I play the horn. I *really* hope I don't screw up... Does anyone here work for the IRS? i hope not ;) farah :) fchisham@indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:54:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: why do they like A&E?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:26 PM 1/30/98 EST, you wrote: >Personally, since I've been on this listserv, I have yet to figure out why I >pay the cable bill (Uh... your husband likes A&E and the Discover channels, >and you need cable for LNC reruns on TNT). Oh, yeah. Why do they like A&E (they-anyone other than me)? I like it every once and a while, but not every day.... I do like CNN though, but not for 5 hours (Sean is crazy :) farah :) fchisham@indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:13:05 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: What do we do when we're not in CyberSpace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >So... what do we do when we're not in CyberSpace? I'm really enjoying reading about what ppl on this list do when not on the net! Great thread. I thought I'd answer this, too. For the past six years, I've owned and managed a tennis specialty store...you know, tennis racquets, shoes, clothes, etc. And when I could,. I'd take time off to travel in-state and around the Intermountain states to play in tennis tournaments. Any other avid tennis fans out there on the list?? I also have three children (ages 5, 3, and a 3 month old) and I am currently working on getting a couple of YA books published. Gosh, with all I have to do lately, I'm shocked I have as much time as I do to spend in CyberSpace. I think I owe it all to one heckuva husband. (He pays me to say that about him ) >>And further, how does that affect our writing/reading habits?<< Well, the nice thing about being your own boss (I'm saying this in past tense because I just closed down my business in Dec. so that I could spend more time at home with my kids), was that no one could tell me what to do at work! So I brought tons of printed fanfic with me daily, and even used the computer at my shop to write fanfic, etc. whenever I could. Now that I'm home full-time, I write and read when kids are napping, or late at night when they're in bed. I'm sure you other busy moms out there do the same! :) Erin :) (aka ELK on IRC) erink@ida.net "The truth is, no one knows how long they've got. Anyway, it's not the years that count, it's the moments...right now...as they happen." CK to LL in BY ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:19:18 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: Re: Kathy's Challenge In-Reply-To: <199802010041.RAA25380@polaris.azstarnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:41 PM 1/31/98 -0700, Sara Kraft wrote: >>And to keep this going, and perhaps get into the punchlines bit >>(yes, I know, no spoilers), a lot of stories have a bit of poetry >>at the end -- which one ends with a Bible verse? > >In the Beginning, by BB Medos (aka Bev) ACK! I almost hope this one isn't the correct answer because **I** missed it if it is. I completely forgot about that one ending AND beginning with Bible verses. They seemed so appropriate at the time, how could I forget?!? Oh, the shame, the shame . . . >Sara (who was shocked to find out that Bev was really BB Medos....'I'm not >mad....I'm hurt...'....okay not really but I liked the allusion) Er, sorry. Glad she doesn't know about the other nickname. That would really destroy any lingering proper images . . . [always assuming the original one was proper ] aka Bev signing off in a hurry for once :-) ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:32:46 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Deborah A. Myers" Subject: Re: What do we do when we're not in CyberSpace Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All! I guess I'll jump on the bandwagon too. I don't consider myself a Lurker- because I do speak out when I want to say a little something. Oh, well, here is what I do when not in CyberSpace. Let me add to the list of teachers. =) I am a 6th grade teacher in the Memphis City Schools System. I started my 20th year Jan. 6th. I am also the Technology Coordinator at the school. As soon as we get all of the classrooms wired, I'll come out of the classroom and into my own lab. It's really sad- because all I could think of was more time to check out the list and my e-mail. =) Anyway, I love to read the mail and I really love the fanfic. I'm not a writer myself but I really do enjoy the wonderful stories you all create. Keep up the Super work and I can continue to have something to look forward to after grading ALL of those papers. Take care ! Deborah M. Deb0603@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:43:01 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Anne Carlson Subject: Re: What do we do when we're not in CyberSpace Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All, I'm a teacher, too. I have my MA in Elementary Reading. I've been teaching elementary school for 18 years. My current grade level is fourth. I enjoy working with kids. In education, I see the computer as a very important part of communication and research these days. Three years ago, my husband got a PC for our house to do work related stuff. We started AOL in the beginning when they were mailing out the introductory disks...and the rest is history. I haven't gotten involved with any other online group other than the L&C bunch. I enjoy this group's message boards, chats, and especially the fanfic. I just don't have the time to mess around on the internet any more than I do now. My husband thinks I spend too much time online as it is.......Oh well. Because of the positive experience I have had interacting with the L&C bunch and the potential of the internet, I applied for an educational grant and won 9 Pentium PCs for my classroom last year. It has been a thrill to see how well the students do with the PCs. Four students sit at a table with one computer. Each child has his/her turn on a computer for the day and does all of his/her work on the PC. They have mastered the "hunt and peck" keyboarding skill. I've got to figure out a better way to teach keyboarding! Now we are wired into the internet at school so we can do research projects, surf around the kid websites, and give presentations of what we've learned using Powerpoint. The major problem is that I am not a computer expert. I am learning just minutes before I teach the students. It makes life pretty hectic.....but, the rewards are worth the hassle. The majority of my home time is spent with my two young children, a menagerie of pets, playing on a USTA tennis team, and an occasional trip to the mountains to fish and ski. I love reading L&C fanfic. I am not a writer. I am so impressed by the caliber of writers we have posting online. Wow. Maybe one day I'll try my hand at writing. It would interesting since in the past several years I haven�t written anything longer than an example for the students' Young Authors Fair and a bunch of grant applications. Hummmm........ This is an interesting topic. Anne (ACdrift@aol.com)