From: "L-Soft list server at Indiana University (1.8d)" To: "ARTF@MemoryAlpha.nil" File: "LOISCLA-GENERAL-L LOG9801C" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:41:34 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEB0603 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All! I am a new member to the List. I just want to say Thanks so much to everyone. I got the two stories 3Capes to the Wind and The Next Step the other day. They were both SUPER!!! I keep hearing about Sanctuary. I also got Joyce's e-mail addy- but I am reluctant to send the mail and ask for the story. I read what Kathy said- and I must agree. So Joyce.... PLEASE let us know if we can e-mail you for the story. You can e-mail me and let me know or I will keep checking the list to see what your reply is. Once again- Thanks to all. I am really enjoying all the mail. Deborah M. (FoLC 4ever) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:37:37 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: Re: Sanctuary In-Reply-To: <199801150418.XAA18317@aus-d.mp.campus.mci.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:18 PM 1/14/98 -0500, Sharon L. Gilbert wrote: >Who is the author? Thanks. Whoa, missing most of a day of e-mail because of my daughter's birthday then wandering in at three o'clock in the morning to find all these messages with the same question, more or less, can certainly wake a person up. Yeah, who did write that thing? Okay, Kathy meandered around this, so, I guess I should confess and clear up the confusion. I'm the guilty party and used a pen name, B.B. Medos. No, the story isn't on the L&C archive because it is nfic although it wasn't supposed to be. That's another story altogether. I'll happily distribute it privately but it is rather, er, large. If I remember correctly, it was around 145 text pages and 21 parts if sent separate e-mails, but I can also send it as one file and zipped. Joyce also has it on file each way, I think. Or she did originally. However, this does bring up a question that I've been meaning to ask related to the hassles of sending a story this size individually. I recently changed the e-mail address that I put on all the stories for that name to Ergo, I need to change that address on all my stories, even the ones on the archive. I've already asked Kathy about resubmitting those as I get the chance to do some re-editing on them and, when I do, I'll probably post them here, too. Then I wondered about the nfiction list and that whopper. Because I am getting ready to start submitting some stories in the same universe to the regular archive, I was wondering whether I should resubmit SANCTUARY to the nfic list first which might take care of all these newbies at one time. But wouldn't that be rather redundant for the ones on that list that already have it? Has anyone sent a story back through all over again? How IS that handled anyway? Beverly :-) Who's wondering if any of this made sense considering I'm probably half asleep zzzzzzzzzz ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:51:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joan Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.com) Subject: Comment on 3 capes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "3 Capes To The Wind" is a great fanfic. I really like the idea of Clark getting drunk. Well, it's never done before!!! Seeing him losing some(or is it all)of his inhibition and it's just real fun to read. I was smiling or laughing the whole time I was reading it. It's a great one. I think the idea of an intoxicated Clark can be explored further. Yeah, it won't hurt a bit if it developed into a nfic. Though it is quite sexy as it is now.:) Big thanks to all the writers. --- Joan aka dmj ***************************************************************** * My Lois & Clark page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~dmyeung/ * ***************************************************************** Free web-based e-mail, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:41:32 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: 7 days a week? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:54 AM 1/14/98 +0000, you wrote: >Just a quick question that I have been pondering about. I figured maybe some >of you could help me figure out the answer. Did Lois and Clark actually work 7 >days a week (I know that a newspaper *is* printed 7 days a week) or did >they have certain days, such as the weekend off? I figure what must be the biggest newspaper (in circulation and prestige) in the world must have several editions a day. This requires a lot of employees, including a top-flight, round-the-clock newsroom crew. This is why I never understood why there were episodes in which we saw the newsroom dark. There might be days--or rather, evenings in which things might be a bit slow, say, on a Sunday or Monday night, thought it would depend on what was happening in the news. There has to be some time for the cleaning crew (Rahalia for the newsroom) to get in there and clean up :) As for days off, in my stories I gave CK Wednesday and Lois Thursday off. I figured she would want at least the appearance of a shorter time before the weekend, even though she works on Saturday. CK got Wednesday maybe by default; maybe that was the day the fewest people took off. He works on Saturday, too. They both take Sunday off, though they make work into Sunday (i.e., work late Saturday), depending on the story(ies). I don't see any of them working (or maybe wanting to work just) an eight-hour day. There's the potential for too much excitement :) Then again, CK probably has trouble staying in the office, given his other, um, duties ;) Somebody who always seemed to be at work is Perry, even if after the first season he wasn't doing much but having Alice problems. I'm glad you're thinking about these things, Genine, it will make your version of the newsroom a little more lifelike :) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:51:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: AMCIOTOLA Subject: Re: Sanctuary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, May I request Sanctuary..I am over 18 and I will not redistribute Thanks Anen ---------- > From: Beverly Latham > To: LOISCLA-GENERAL-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > Subject: Re: Sanctuary > Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 04:37 > > At 11:18 PM 1/14/98 -0500, Sharon L. Gilbert wrote: > >Who is the author? Thanks. > > Whoa, missing most of a day of e-mail because of my daughter's birthday > then wandering in at three o'clock in the morning to find all these > messages with the same question, more or less, can certainly wake a person > up. Yeah, who did write that thing? Okay, Kathy meandered around > this, so, I guess I should confess and clear up the confusion. I'm the > guilty party and used a pen name, B.B. Medos. No, the story isn't on the > L&C archive because it is nfic although it wasn't supposed to be. That's > another story altogether. I'll happily distribute it privately but it > is rather, er, large. If I remember correctly, it was around 145 text pages > and 21 parts if sent separate e-mails, but I can also send it as one file > and zipped. Joyce also has it on file each way, I think. Or she did > originally. > > However, this does bring up a question that I've been meaning to ask > related to the hassles of sending a story this size individually. I > recently changed the e-mail address that I put on all the stories for that > name to Ergo, I need to change that address on all my > stories, even the ones on the archive. I've already asked Kathy about > resubmitting those as I get the chance to do some re-editing on them and, > when I do, I'll probably post them here, too. Then I wondered about the > nfiction list and that whopper. Because I am getting ready to start > submitting some stories in the same universe to the regular archive, I was > wondering whether I should resubmit SANCTUARY to the nfic list first which > might take care of all these newbies at one time. But wouldn't that be > rather redundant for the ones on that list that already have it? Has anyone > sent a story back through all over again? How IS that handled anyway? > > Beverly :-) > Who's wondering if any of this made sense considering I'm probably half > asleep zzzzzzzzzz > > > > ******************************* > Beverly Latham > blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net > ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:14:59 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: AMCiotola Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry guys that should have went private email Anne ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:15:46 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lalapoop2 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: FoLC SIGHTING: Peace on tv Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Peace on TV??? I am definitely looking forward to this. We might not know your real name, but we'll know what you look like, cool! Michelle (Lala2 on IRC) Peace wrote: >Just wanted to let you all know that if you've just been dying to know what I look like :P on January 22 you'll get your chance. My brother's wedding was taped by The Learning Channel for their program A Wedding Story. It aired for the first time on December 17, and will air again on January 22 (also two or three more times during this spring). The program is on every day, Monday through Friday, at 2 p.m. -- they show two weddings, one after the other, and I don't know whether my brother's will be the first or the second, but watch for the names Heather and Joel right at the beginning. I show up about halfway through, arriving at Heather's parents' house during the rehearsal dinner -- I'm the short round lady in the white turtleneck, hugging the bride and saying, "It's so nice to finally meet you!" < ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:58:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Resubmitting stories [Was Re: Sanctuary] In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980115033737.0069ca40@hop-uky.campus.mci.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 3:37 AM -0600 1/15/98, Beverly Latham wrote: >Okay, Kathy meandered around >this, so, I guess I should confess and clear up the confusion. Yeah, well, I knew you were on the list, so I figured I'd make you 'fess up to your adoring public. >I'll happily distribute it privately but it >is rather, er, large. If I remember correctly, it was around 145 text pages >and 21 parts if sent separate e-mails, but I can also send it as one file >and zipped. There's your answer, FoLCs. :) >However, this does bring up a question that I've been meaning to ask >related to the hassles of sending a story this size individually. I >recently changed the e-mail address that I put on all the stories for that >name to Ergo, I need to change that address on all my >stories, even the ones on the archive. I've already asked Kathy about >resubmitting those as I get the chance to do some re-editing on them and, >when I do, I'll probably post them here, too. I know how it is with reediting. My email address had been changed twice before I got around to reediting Camping with Clark and reposting it back to the Archive. Heck, it took me working for the Archive to kick my butt into gear. Hey, Bev, want a job? Seriously, though, if you want me to change the address (and this goes for anyone out there who has changed email addresses that has a story on the Archive), let me know which files you want updated, and we can do that for you. If you'd rather reedit the story (I cleaned up some typos and punctuation errors in Camping at the same time I changed my address) or change the address yourself, you can send an updated version to , with instructions on what you want us to do. Try to include the txt file name (camping.txt) so we'll know which file to replace. > Then I wondered about the >nfiction list and that whopper. Because I am getting ready to start >submitting some stories in the same universe to the regular archive, I was >wondering whether I should resubmit SANCTUARY to the nfic list first which >might take care of all these newbies at one time. But wouldn't that be >rather redundant for the ones on that list that already have it? Has anyone >sent a story back through all over again? How IS that handled anyway? I have seen the occasional story resubmitted to the nfic list, usually story that has been revised in some way, or one that was unavailable for awhile, then became available again. Newbies should have received a list of all the old ads, but I think by this time, there are so many to read, a lot get lost in the shuffle. As with the regular Archive, you see a list of a few hundred stories and you have no idea which ones to request. So, unless you get a recommendation, you just don't read them. I would say there is no harm in resubmitting an ad for SANTUARY on the nfic list. The ads are short, and those that have read it before can simply delete the ad. I think it's a good idea. :) Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:38:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sara Kraft Subject: Re: 7 days a week? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Did Lois and Clark actually work 7 days a week (I know that a newspaper *is* printed 7 days a week) or did they have certain days, such as the weekend off? If all else fails, I suppose I will have to make up my own answer, but I just wanted to be sure first. Any input would be greatly appreciated. << You could always be like Debby and give Lois and Clark each one seperate day off, which does make sense not to have two star reporters off on the same day, but makes for an extremely frustrated reader, not to mention an epic (and completely wonderful ) series. Sara (who, through sporadic visits to the email world, has decided to start responding to some of them, and also reccomends Heaven's Prisoners with a tissue) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:48:00 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-14 22:17:46 EST, you write: << >Sanctuary is nfic. It is available through I'm not sure that anyone besides the author should announce where to find a particular nfic. Maybe I'm overreacting ... I've certainly been known to do that. But putting out this information on a public listserv makes me uncomfortable, especially given the sensitive nature of the story. Also, people should keep in mind that not all nfic is distributed through one source. Many authors distribute their own stories, and I would hate for Joyce's mailbox to get filled with requests that she can't help with. She very kindly helps distribute stories for nfic list members ... I don't know how she'd feel about her address being released to the general public. Just my opinion ... but I think we should let the author either answer, or decline to answer, this sort of question. Kathy ______________________ >> My apologies. I was merely passing on information in the same manner I recieved it, and I was unaware that it was inappropriate. It will not happen again. I certainly would do nothing deliberately to upset Joyce. She performs an invaluable service to us all, and I truly apologize if I have caused her any inconvienience. Once again, I am sorry. Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:56:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: Real Names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys! Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. ------------------------------------------ Brad Gardner Gardners@htc.net Visit the Gardner family web directory at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html ------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:00:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Sanctuary In-Reply-To: <2f1a13a1.34bebc54@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:48 PM 1/15/98 EST, you wrote: >My apologies. I was merely passing on information in the same manner I >recieved it, and I was unaware that it was inappropriate. It will not happen >again. >I certainly would do nothing deliberately to upset Joyce. She performs an >invaluable service to us all, and I truly apologize if I have caused her any >inconvienience. Cystal, yoru apology was really considerate. I'm sure there were no upset feelings though :) It's also very understandable that many people who are genuinely interested and/or curious about NFic, those who hear about it somewhat frequently on this list or elsewhere in FoLCdom, merely in passing, will want to know how to find it. That's normal and it's not a secret. It's just not available for those under 18. ;) I know that while Nfic *used* to be a very secretive and private medium, it has since expanded into something much larger than any secret could possibly remain. If an author doesn't want their work talked about they won't distribute it at all, most often ;) People love to discuss what they read, it's natural. Joyce is open about what she does, she hasn't taken out any big ads, but she doesn't hide in a dark corner either and she's always very patient and understanding with the mass of mail she gets from those curious.. that's why we call her St Joyce! :) She's somehow able to handle all her requests and with grace and class ;) so I am sure there was no harm done at all. I suppose there are some folks more protective of the fact that they write Nfic than others, so if you *are* curious about an author's work, it's probably best to write them privately, but mentioning Joyce, or even Debby's Nfic list is not a crime It's public knowledge... :) IMHO.. as always... Take Care All ;) Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:07:07 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEB0603 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary& NFIC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Question? Is there one place where you can get the NFIC? Or is it only gotten from the author of that particular story? Please let us all know. Thanks so much! Deborah ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:39:16 -0600 Reply-To: peabody@mcs.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pat Organization: Amarna House Subject: Fanfic with a tissue (WAS: Re: 7 days a week?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi FoLCs, Sara Kraft wrote: > Sara (who, also reccomends Heaven's Prisoners with a > tissue) You're right, Sara, Heaven's Prisoners was a great story *and* a wonderful tearjearker! For those of us who like to read with tissue in hand, two of Sheila Harper's fanfics; "Faster Than a Speeding Bullet" and "Shot in the Dark" also immediately come to mind. All three of these stories are the genuine article. They work because they deal with the characters and their situations honestly and sincerely, rather than attempting to manipulate the reader's emotions. I can remember reading a number of well-written fanfics that triggered that same kind of emotional response; unfortunately, I can't remember all of their names! Pat -- peabody@mcs.com pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:15:32 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genine E Murray Subject: Re: Real Names Hey FoLCs, No Brad, you aren't the *only* person who uses his/*her* own name. *I* use my own name... Genine Murray. I think that many, if not most, FoLCs use their own name. I can probably name a couple dozen others just off of the top of my head right now who use their "real" name on the list(s)... not just us. ;) Genine ~ GemFoLC51@juno.com ~ SuperGeM on mIRC Watch "Lois & Clark : The New Adventures of Superman" on TNT "You fill me with life." CK - Family Hour On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:56:14 -0600 The Gardner Family writes: >Hey guys! >Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea >some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. >------------------------------------------ >Brad Gardner >Gardners@htc.net >Visit the Gardner family web directory at >http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html >------------------------------------------ > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:31:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Real Names In-Reply-To: <19980115.221539.8502.0.GemFoLC51@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Hey guys! >>Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea >>some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. LOL you have no idea how many people thought that my real name was/is "Demona", I had never imagined, because when I decided to take that alias, I did so because "Demona" was my favorite character on the Gargoyles cartoon, mysterious and without conscience Demi is short for Demona, so there's an alias for an alias and I never use my real name online anyway so, I say, welcome to the world of make beleive LOL We are all..what we make of ourselves, online, or off ;) Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:33:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: <7c443eb6.34becee2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:07 PM -0500 1/15/98, DEB0603 wrote: >Question? >Is there one place where you can get the NFIC? Or is it only gotten from the >author of that particular story? Please let us all know. >Thanks so much! >Deborah Nope, no archive for nfic, though I know of at least one FoLC who really wants to put one together (and no, it's not me ... I have my hands more than full! LOL!) At this point, unless an author has set up a website for their work, you generally either have to ask the author of the story, or Joyce, if she's agreed to distribute it for that person. But remember, people, you must be 18 or older to get this stuff, and promise *never* to redistribute the stories. (/me has nightmares of my stories being passed around some high school locker room. ) The fear among many nfic authors (myself included) is that we may be legally liable if a minor has possession of our work. Congress and the courts have gone back and forth over issues such as these, and while I think the government has much better things to do with their time than worry about this issue, I don't want to be the one that Newt Gingrich makes an example of when his 15 year old niece reads my stories. So, you can see why some people get a bit nervous when we start discussing this stuff on an open listserv. Now, all that said, I'd like to extend my apologies to Crystal if I came off sounding harsh in my last message. I certainly wasn't angry, and there are no hard feelings. :) I just wasn't sure if we were allowed to discuss stuff like that on this listserv (heh heh, a little late now, eh? ), and I guess I tend to be a little more protective than some when it comes to nfic. But, if Demi assures us all that it's OK, I certainly won't contradict her. ;) Kathy (who just finished up page 50 on hers and Demi's WIP and we're not even close to being done. LOL!) ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:45:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: Real Names Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:56 PM 1/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey guys! >Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. >------------------------------------------ >Brad Gardner A lot of us are so young and innocent that we cannot help but use our real names :) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:45:57 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: How to Join NFanfic List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:07 PM 1/15/98 EST, Deborah (a great name!) wrote: >Question? >Is there one place where you can get the NFIC? Or is it only gotten from the >author of that particular story? Please let us all know. >Thanks so much! >Deborah The Nfanfic List is a private list. You can join if you assure me, Debby, that you are +17.99 years of age ("an adult", or someone old enough so her/his mom/dad/parents/church/etc. can't take action against us), and you understand the nature of the list (spicy, sexually explicit stories, some complete with "A" plot) (and some of those A plots pretty good!), *and* that you will not distribute any of the stories unless you have permission to do so from the authors. :) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:26:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gary Subject: Defending NFIC In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: > >The fear among many nfic authors (myself included) is that we may be >legally liable if a minor has possession of our work. Congress and the >courts have gone back and forth over issues such as these, and while I >think the government has much better things to do with their time than >worry about this issue, I don't want to be the one that Newt Gingrich makes >an example of when his 15 year old niece reads my stories. > I certainly don't want anyone to be in court, nor am I a lawyer, but I'd love the opportunity to defend Nfic morally/legally. I'm confident I could get the judge and/or jury to join the list after it's all over... Baliff: "Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?" Witness: Yes. Me: (grabbing the Bible out of the Baliff's hands) "Oh, I'm going to need this..." (and I don't even need the Song of Solomon...which frankly I'd be more embarassed to quote here than most of the Nfics...) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Gary A. Rudick mailto:gar8434@rit.edu | | "You decide what you feel heaven is worth" - Deborah Gibson, TWYH | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:33:46 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Larus2407 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: NFIC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-15 23:32:45 EST, you write: << (/me has nightmares of my stories being passed around some high school locker room. ) >> Nah, Kathy, we won't do that till you have teenage kids --Laurie ;) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:14:31 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >I just wasn't sure if we were allowed to discuss stuff like that on this >listserv (heh heh, a little late now, eh? ), and I guess I tend to be a >little more protective than some when it comes to nfic. >But, if Demi assures us all that it's OK, I certainly won't contradict her. ;) Thanks Kath ;) IMHO, it's a lot like discussing the existance of X Rated movie rental stores... without going into the actual content of same, knowing that they're around is fairly innocuous information... knowledge is what you know, wisdom is what you do with what you know So it's MHO that the online world and it's contents is one we can't well police for other people, only ourselves. I'll have to tell you guys (in more detail than I'm about to go into ) about the letter I once got from an irate mommy whose daughter had written to me, stating she was well over 18 and on a certain (then exclusive) list for Nfic, and wanted my work...Happily for me, I save all my requests! LOL So I went back through them and sent "mommy" her daughter's well written request letter, very chic too Anyway, "mommy" then had to yank her shoe out of her mouth pretty quick But she did so with style LOL I'd better get back to sifting through story files and sorting things out now or I'll *never* get done Take Care all! Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:33:01 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Patric6928 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Rag N Bone Status Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Should we start writing letters to Leslie now to save another show....or should we wait Patricia -------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1998 The Times-Picayune Publishing Co. The Times-Picayune January 14, 1998 Wednesday, THIRD SECTION: LIVING; Pg. E1 LENGTH: 656 words Anne Rice's ghostly detective drama "Rag and Bone" won't join the CBS schedule this spring. But CBS programmer Leslie Moonves said the prospective series, starring Dean Cain as an ex-priest-turned-detective who's haunted by the ghost of a dead policeman, is still a candidate for the '98 fall schedule. "We did the pilot and it'll be in the fall mix," Moonves said. "We didn't really need it right now." New Orleans location filming for the one-hour pilot episode wrapped in November. Moonves said he "had some clarity problems" with the first cut, "so I asked them for a re-edit." But he maintains it is still "very much" in the running for a schedule berth next season, particularly in light of the network's determination to find new shows that appeal to younger viewers. "It's a nice pilot," he said. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:32:29 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Patric6928 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Rock N Jock-He's confirmed! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit He is confirmed!! So get your tickets to Rock N Jock now! Patricia ----------------------------------------------------------- The San Diego Union-Tribune, January 15, 1998 January 15, 1998, Thursday SECTION: ENTERTAINMENT; Ed. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8; Pg. NIGHT & DAY-4 LENGTH: 2166 words HEADLINE: The Super Bowl celebration SERIES: UP FRONT; SUPER BOWL XXXII BODY: The party gets under way tomorrow when the NFL Experience opens at Qualcomm Stadium, but the real fireworks begin next week. That's when the big Super Bowl events begin and the parties, street fairs, music festivals and sporting events jump into high gear. ..... [very long article about all the activites] GRAPHIC: 1 PHOTO / 2 DRAWINGS; 1,2. TIM HAGGERTY / Illustration 3. JEFF KRAVITZ; 2. (NIGHT & DAY-5) 3. Television's "Superman" Dean Cain and actor John Leguziamo will be making an appearance at the NFL Experience as part of MTV's "Rock 'n' Jock" on Saturday, Jan. 24, at Qualcomm Stadium. (NIGHT & DAY-5) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:25:21 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joyce Fitch Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A lurker steps forward... Having just returned home, this post jumped out of the 749 I received, and I felt compelled to say just a few words: There is good reason not to put a website up for nfanfic. I distribute a lot of it, and I have been approached by "concerned" self-deputized spammers that underaged people are getting stories. I have some technolgical expertise and have dealt with these creeps well, but they could be intimidating to many! I am careful to keep all the disclaimers I get, so that I would have a bit of evidence should anyone decide to legally challenge the sending of the stories. I also take those off the my list if someone confirms that they have lied about their age. Obviously anyone can take the risk of establishing a site for nfic. It would be very easy to put these stories in one place for anyone to access, but, in my opinion, the risks are not worth it. I considered doing this and using a password - for about 4 seconds. Enough said! Just thinking about the people a site like this would attract..... Also, in answer to a thought Linda expressed about cast and crew reading nfic. Yes, some do. Now, if only they would also write! ;-) I'm off to catch up on mail, but I'll try to keep track of this thread. Joyce >At 10:07 PM -0500 1/15/98, DEB0603 wrote: >>Question? >>Is there one place where you can get the NFIC? Or is it only gotten from the >>author of that particular story? Please let us all know. >>Thanks so much! >>Deborah > > >Nope, no archive for nfic, though I know of at least one FoLC who really >wants to put one together (and no, it's not me ... I have my hands >more than full! LOL!) > >At this point, unless an author has set up a website for their work, you >generally either have to ask the author of the story, or Joyce, if she's >agreed to distribute it for that person. > >But remember, people, you must be 18 or older to get this stuff, and >promise *never* to redistribute the stories. (/me has nightmares of my >stories being passed around some high school locker room. ) > >The fear among many nfic authors (myself included) is that we may be >legally liable if a minor has possession of our work. Congress and the >courts have gone back and forth over issues such as these, and while I >think the government has much better things to do with their time than >worry about this issue, I don't want to be the one that Newt Gingrich makes >an example of when his 15 year old niece reads my stories. > >So, you can see why some people get a bit nervous when we start discussing >this stuff on an open listserv. > >Now, all that said, I'd like to extend my apologies to Crystal if I came >off sounding harsh in my last message. I certainly wasn't angry, and there >are no hard feelings. :) > >I just wasn't sure if we were allowed to discuss stuff like that on this >listserv (heh heh, a little late now, eh? ), and I guess I tend to be a >little more protective than some when it comes to nfic. > >But, if Demi assures us all that it's OK, I certainly won't contradict her. ;) > >Kathy (who just finished up page 50 on hers and Demi's WIP and we're not >even close to being done. LOL!) > >______________________ >Kathy Brown >kbrown@toolcity.net > >KathyB on IRC >______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:59:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Michelle Glenn Subject: Re: Real Names In-Reply-To: <01BD21F8.0940F560@ppp47.htc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No, I use my real name, Michelle Glenn. "I've got to go do that thing that I have to do in that place that I'll be back from in just a minute."--Clark (TCoM) On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, The Gardner Family wrote: > Hey guys! > Am I the only person out here who uses his own name. I had no idea some of you were using aliases. My real name is Brad Gardner. Weird. > ------------------------------------------ > Brad Gardner > Gardners@htc.net > Visit the Gardner family web directory at > http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html > ------------------------------------------ > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:01:54 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Lalapoop2 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Real Names Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Brad wrote: . Seriously, I know a lot of women use aliases, because we get some feeling of security thinking people don't know how to find us (i.e. ax murderers, etc.). Debby wrote: Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: Re: Real Names In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980116055016.36974aac@swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:45 AM 1/16/98 -0700, Debby Stark wrote: >A lot of us are so young and innocent that we cannot >help but use our real names :) ROTFL! Hey, I think I might just resent that remark! But, seriously . . . if I can get serious after that doozy , there probably are a lot online that use nickname/screenname/pen-names truly for privacy's sake to stay anonymous. Quite a lot use their real names. Then there are those of us strange ones that do both. I think I used a pen-name originally on the fanfiction I wrote simply for the comfort factor. I just wasn't sure I wanted to or was ready to put my real name on them and let them float around in cyberspace or even in an archive and such. I'm still not, but it also doesn't bother me if someone knows because I'm not ashamed of anything I've put out there. The name I use is at least half real, because I've been stuck with the Bebe nickname for most of my life, off and on. [The rest of it comes from my odd sense of humor. ] The strange thing is that most of my family [the more extended family, you know, not dh and the kids because they're read most of the things I've written] wouldn't recognize the name or my writings, but many friends both online and off might. Beverly :-) ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:35:44 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Michell944 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Sanctuary Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How does one get a copy of "Sanctuary" ~Michelle ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:17:40 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Breezae Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Real Names Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I would also come forward and say... Breezy is my real name, kind of... everyone calls me Breezy and they have since I was a baby, I have even considered changing it legally, but since I'm only 17 and I need a parent's signature... I'm a slacker... if you really want to know my real name here it is : Brianne. And for any axe murders out there if you really want to hunt me down they know where to look once they find my body for the killer. :D Breezy aka Brianne aka Breezles aka Breezers aka Breezily aka Breezerella aka Frank Schwartz aka Don't call me Brie, I hate that. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:40:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 15/01/98 -0500, Kathy wrote: >I just wasn't sure if we were allowed to discuss stuff like that on this >listserv (heh heh, a little late now, eh? ), and I guess I tend to be a >little more protective than some when it comes to nfic. Yes, I was under the impression this was an nfic free zone. I've read a number of messages in the last few days putting in glowing recommendations about nfic. I've read nfic, I find it...boring. Sorry, but if the one's I've read are anything to go by, it's like reading a story about a couple having a romantic dinner and the author going off on a five page tangent, in infinite, excrutiating detail about how the couple masticates their food. I *know* how to chew food!;) I don't need the infinite detail. [I also resent the Pavlov's dog aspect of nfic, but that's a whole other issue. (I'd rather drool over my husband).] I've tried reading the PG versions of some nfic. Either there isn't any viable story once the excrutiating detail is gone...or the author takes great delight in lording it over the reader about what "joy" they're missing by not reading the salacious version. Since most of the audience for the PG version is either underage, or doesn't *want* to read the other version, I find these comments to be demeaning. I realize that some people enjoy nfic. That's okay, if that's what you like, read it...but don't push it in front of me when I *don't* want it. I stopped going on IRC because I got fed up with the nudge-nudge-wink-wink atmosphere there. If it continues here, I guess I'll be staying away from here too;\ So in summary, I'd prefer it if this list didn't become a front for nfic. Some of the people on the list *can't* get it, and others of us would just rather not. Thanks for your attention, if you read this far:) Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:10:44 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LRSABC Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Romance Novels vs. nfic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have been reading the posts on nfic and the pros and cons of its distribution or lack thereof. And finally feel that I have something to contribute. Having read several nfics (Temporary Insanity and Heaven's Prisoners) and more trashy romance novels than I care to or will ever admit to. I can't say that the nfic is any more detailed than the romance novels, yet if nfic were easily accessable in the internet, it would be wrong? Many bookstores have numerous shelves dedicated to trashy novels. Ever see anyone get carded in a bookstore? I think that if ample warnings are included on a website, anything you could get in a book store should be fair game. Afterall, is it not a parent's duty to be aware of what his or her child is viewing/surfing. Food for thought. Leslie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:35:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: marlene macdougall Subject: Nfic/list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Another lurker speaks up... Hmmm, this thread really generated some posts didn't it? I also didn't expect this nfic discussion on a general list but hey ... here is my humble opinion: I have written both fic/nfic. As for an nfic web archive - I agree with many in that I don't want to see it happen (again this is my opinion). In fact, if it did I would not send my nfic there. I prefer the distribution methods we have now. As Joyce said the risks of a nfic webarchive just aren't worth it. However, should any author choose to put their nfic on a website that is their prerogative. That's how I found Gorn's nfic ;) Back to lurking... Marlene (macdougm@cadvision.com) We must have courage, faith and chocolate! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:59:05 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joyce Fitch Subject: Saint ? Joyce In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980115220045.009dcb70@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually Demi, when I try to claim sainthood, I'm usually told "yea, a Saint Bernard!" ;-) I am happy to answer people's questions regarding nfic and the list, but it is really easier just to send people directly to Debby to sign up. I noticed that Debby posted this info so all those who qualify and are interested can apply. I do have many requests and this discussion has and will add more, but that's no problem as long as everyone is patient ;-) I've been gone for a week so I have a bit of catching up to do; that means all of you who have requests pending may have to wait a few days. I must say it is fun opening my mail to find such nice comments about me. Now back to reading... St. Joyce - who seems to be reading her mail backwards > >Joyce is open about what she does, she hasn't taken out any big ads, but >she doesn't hide in a dark corner either and she's always very >patient and understanding with the mass of mail she gets from those >curious.. that's why we call her St Joyce! :) She's somehow able to handle >all her requests and with grace and class ;) so I am sure there was no >harm done at all. I suppose there are some folks more protective of the >fact that they write Nfic than others, so if you *are* curious about an >author's work, it's probably best to write them privately, but mentioning >Joyce, or even Debby's Nfic list is not a crime It's public >knowledge... :) > >IMHO.. as always... > >Take Care All ;) >Demi >_________________________________________________ > > Demi (a.k.a) Demona > or >http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm > --- > L&C Site > http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy > --- > "See, the thing is, I've > loved him my whole life..." >_________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:29:43 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debra M Berg Subject: Re: Romance Novels vs. nfic: a combo post On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:10:44 EST LRSABC writes: >I have been reading the posts on nfic and the pros and cons of its >distribution or lack thereof. And finally feel that I have something >to contribute. > I, too, have been reading this thread about the "nfanfic". I rarely post to *any* of the lists that I subscribe to because I usually don't like the "me too" posts from individuals, or someone has already posted my thoughts already, so why be a repeater. However, there are a few items that I would like to address. The first item is that there are certainly "categories" of nfics. I have read both the well prosed stories and the trashy "romance" stories. And, I will be honest to say that I will save the ones that are well written and delete the ones that I feel are trash. And, so as not to flame anyone, or have hurt feelings, I would like to refrain from listing the stories that I can read over and over, or the stories that I deleted. Again, taste is in the reader. I do not like Stephen King as a writer. However, my teenage daughter has read everything he has ever written. So, I choose NOT to read his works. I like female detective novels, but my daughter falls asleep with the first page. My point is that if all the world enjoyed the same style of writing, it would be very boring and there would be no creative styling in writing >Having read several nfics (Temporary Insanity and Heaven's Prisoners) >and more trashy romance novels than I care to or will ever admit to. I can't >say that the nfic is any more detailed than the romance novels, yet if nfic >were easily accessible in the internet, it would be wrong? Many bookstores have >numerous shelves dedicated to trashy novels. Ever see anyone get carded in a >bookstore? > The second item I would like to say is this: I wish that I could say that I never bought a romance novel but last summer I had the shock of my life. I was running through my local library when a book caught my eye. It was "Outlander" by Diana Gabaldon. The library had it listed under "historical fiction". I was drawn to it by the back cover that stated that a post WWII *nurse* was flung back into the 18th century Scotland. Being a *nurse*, I thought it would be a good book to pack along for the beach on vacation. To my surprise, I couldn't put the book down. I thought it was fantastic. Yes, it had adventure, sadness, and sex written about in it. But, I found myself drawn to the author and she told the story in a wonderful way. When I finished the book, I learned that she had 3 more about the same characters out. But, my local library had them on a long waiting list. So I went to the local Borders and searched *everywhere* for them in *fiction*. I finally went up and asked the information desk. Well, was I embarrassed when the young teenage boy said "Oh, *that's* in the *romance* section." I had NEVER bought a romance novel before! That was when I decided that there was *classy* romance and there was *trash* romance, and it is up to the reader to decide which one is for them. >I think that if ample warnings are included on a web site, anything you >could get in a book store should be fair game. After all, is it not a >parent's duty to be aware of what his or her child is viewing/surfing. > And I agree with this! I know on some of the other fanfic sites of other shows, there is fair warning about the content of the story. Perhaps the same could be done with the fanfic. Remember the SPOILER warnings with the new episodes? How about using a format similar to that? >Food for thought. > >Leslie > Yes, Leslie, and thank you for your commentary. However, I would also like to present Margaret's side of the debate. She says Margaret BrignellYes, I was under the impression this was an nfic free zone. I've read a >number of messages in the last few days putting in glowing recommendations >about nfic. I've read nfic, I find it...boring. > I can sympathize with you with some of the stories, but could example a number that are so well written that it's hard to believe these writers aren't professionals and would be one of the people putting in glowing recommendations! >Sorry, but if the one's I've read are anything to go by, it's like reading >a story about a couple having a romantic dinner and the author going off on >a five page tangent, in infinite, excrutiating detail about how the couple >masticates their food. I *know* how to chew food!;) I don't need the >infinite detail. [I also resent the Pavlov's dog aspect of nfic, but >that's a whole other issue. (I'd rather drool over my husband).] > I'm pretty partial to my own husband myself . >I've tried reading the PG versions of some nfic. Either there isn't any >viable story once the excrutiating detail is gone...or the author takes >great delight in lording it over the reader about what "joy" they're >missing by not reading the salacious version. Since most of the audience >for the PG version is either underage, or doesn't *want* to read the other >version, I find these comments to be demeaning. And again, this is not for Margaret. I have read Margaret's stories and find them also very well written with excellent story lines. But just because there is no *extra* steps to the relationship, doesn't mean that I didn't enjoy her stories as much as I enjoyed some of the nfic. >I realize that some people enjoy nfic. That's okay, if that's what you >like, read it...but don't push it in front of me when I *don't* want it. I >stopped going on IRC because I got fed up with the nudge-nudge-wink-wink >atmosphere there. If it continues here, I guess I'll be staying away from >here too;\ No, I don't like to ONLY read nfic. I enjoy the action adventure ones also. I have been a closet Superman Comicbook buyer for years. The Comic shop thinks they are for my daughter, (no, the X-Men cards are hers!). But, I thought that this listserv was for "Fanfiction", and if that includes the trash with the classics, then bring it all on and let the reading begin! >So in summary, I'd prefer it if this list didn't become a front for nfic. >Some of the people on the list *can't* get it, and others of us would just >rather not. If we are voting on this one, couldn't a compromise be found? >Thanks for your attention, if you read this far:) > >Margaret Thanks, Margaret and Leslie, for your thoughts and opinions on this subject. Meanwhile, I am willing to read almost anything about a Classic character that I fell in love with in the early 60's as a youngster. Debbie Berg abbra15@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: Sanctuary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:50 PM 1/14/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-01-14 20:28:46 EST, you write: > ><< Sanctuary is nfic. It is available through Joyce Fitch at: > yooyceef@mcs.com >> > >Um, I think that's joyceef@mcs.com > >--L And you can only get it if you're a member of the nfic list. Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:38:07 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:25 AM 1/16/98 -0600, Joyce wrote: >There is good reason not to put a website up for nfanfic. I distribute a >lot of it, and I have been approached by "concerned" self-deputized >spammers that underaged people are getting stories. I have some >technolgical expertise and have dealt with these creeps well, but they >could be intimidating to many! I am careful to keep all the disclaimers I >get, so that I would have a bit of evidence should anyone decide to legally >challenge the sending of the stories. I also take those off the my list if >someone confirms that they have lied about their age. When someone sends me a request to join the Nlist, I always ask them to confirm their age and understanding of the list... and I've kept all these letters, sending copies to Joyce so she'll have them on hand to check against if she wishes to or if her antenna tingle. I'll throw in my thanks for Joyce, too :) When I decided to keep the idea of a list alive, all I had was a laptop with 4 megs of ram and 80 in storage, a black and white monitor, a 14.4 modem, and, eventually, a broken "e" key. Months before the "e" broke, though, and back when we had maybe only, oh, 100 members maybe, Joyce volunteered to send out the stories. She had a much bigger system than I did and the idea was feasible (at the time, I was only sending out advertisements for the stories and the authors handled the requests). I have a bigger, desktop system now, but I suspect Joyce is leaps and bounds beyond that. She has to be since we now have, um (counts quickly) 393 members :) If it weren't for Joyce, I'd still just be handing out the ads and the writers... if there were any such brave souls looking at that number of readers, well, they'd be very busy! Debby Debby@swcp.com who just put a picture of her writer's blocks on her site: cats.jpg ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:39:42 -0200 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Vanna Subject: "Great expectations" premiere Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Teri is in the guest list for the premiere of "Great Expectations" on Tuesday, Jan. 20. More information can be found in yahoo news. Check out my Jon Tenney Page Http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Boulevard/9848 vsantana@br.homeshopping.com.br ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:49:38 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genine E Murray Subject: Dean's FoLC Sponsored B-Day Gift Comments: To: LOISCLA@VM.EGE.EDU.TR Hey FoLCs, I am sending this notice to both lists, so please forgive me those who receive it twice. <<< Anyone who is interested in becoming involved with Dean's 1998 Birthday Gift, please speak up! :) We currently have about 50 people working on this project, but of course, more are always welcome!! We started this little project back in August of '97... and it has been steadily growing ever since. Our motivation is to send Dean Cain the *best* birthday gift he could ever imagine from a group of fans. If you qualify as a "Dean-fan", and are even the slightest bit interested, please send e-mail to deanfolcgift98@juno.com asking to be added to the mailing list. OR.... You can visit our website at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/3709/ for alternate instructions on how to join up... and get the up-to-date information on this project. We are always looking for new feedback and ideas for a gift... as of now we are undecided exactly *what* to send to Dean... that is still in the works. We *definitely* plan on sending him flowers, a card, and quite possibly a collage of everyone's pictures (but you have to be involved with the gift! ). There has also been some brief discussion among us about adding a little wedding gift in honor of Dean's recent engagement. We would really appreciate your input. Again, if you are interested, please e-mail the above e-mail address. Thanks! We look forward to hearing from you!! :) Sincerely, The Dean FoLC Gift '98 Crew Visit our website at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/3709/ >>> PLEASE NOTE: DO *NOT* reply to this message. Do *NOT* send a reply either to the list, *or* to gemfolc51@juno.com... ONLY send e-mail regarding this subject to deanfolcgift98@juno.com.... otherwise your message will more than likely be ignored. Thanks so much! Take care FoLCs. =) Genine ~ GemFoLC51@juno.com ~ SuperGeM on mIRC Watch "Lois & Clark : The New Adventures of Superman" on TNT "Generation after generation, we are all blinded by love, Ms. Lane. Especially that one great love that changes us forever." H.G. Wells - Tempus Fugitive ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:28:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Re: Romance Novels vs. nfic: a combo post In-Reply-To: <19980116.212943.3542.0.abbra15@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Debra wrote: >The second item I would like to say is this: >I wish that I could say that I never bought a romance novel but last >summer I had >the shock of my life. I was running through my local library when a book >caught my >eye. It was "Outlander" by Diana Gabaldon. The library had it listed >under "historical >fiction". I was drawn to it by the back cover that stated that a post Me too! I found it in general fiction and when I went to get the sequel (currently on order -- this is a darn good yarn) .... I was told to look in romantic fiction. I looked at the girl like she was out of her tiny little mind! >On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:10:44 EST LRSABC writes: >>I think that if ample warnings are included on a web site, anything you >>could get in a book store should be fair game. After all, is it not a >>parent's duty to be aware of what his or her child is viewing/surfing. >> Actually it *is* a parent's duty to be aware of what his or her child is viewing or surfing ... you don't let them watch NYPD Blue (or television after a certain hour) and you certainly don't let them surf the net without putting some restrictions on that. Search engines can turn up the darndest things sometimes. You don't let them wander over to the Playboy-plastic-covered section at the store either. Children, young teens can quite easily ignore warnings on a site ... and you can't rely on "blocking" software. In short, putting it on a website or on an apparently "generic" mailing list without any *real* checking, is shirking *our* responsibility as netizens. Let's give parents a hand and keep nfic where adults can read it and not those that are underage... (C'mon, I mean, if a teen thinks super sex is all there is, they're gonna be disappointed *grin*) Leanne Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Lois and Clark Season 5 Fanfic: http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/ ********************************************************** Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:51:16 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rochelle Harrison Subject: Re: NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Joyce wrote, perhaps to regret later: >Also, in answer to a thought Linda expressed about cast and crew reading >nfic. Yes, some do. Now, if only they would also write! ;-) Care to expand on that comment? Rochelle -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Love can move you to a place inside your heart, Where you can feel no evil, acceptance is a natural part of life." - Savage Garden "Love Can Move You" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:10:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980116173959.0069ac94@capitalnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:40 PM -0500 1/16/98, Margaret Brignell wrote: >I've read a >number of messages in the last few days putting in glowing recommendations >about nfic. I've read nfic, I find it...boring. I like to read well-written stories, whether those stories are rated G, PG, PG-13, R or NC-17. Are all nfics good stories? No, definitely not. I find many of them "boring", as you do. Are there stories that happen to have an adult rating that are worthy of the "glowing recommendations" that we've been giving them? Yes, absolutely. I have yet to see an nfic recommended on this list that didn't have a full story behind it. That story may not have been to your liking (just as there are fanfics of all ratings that others love yet I dislike, because the story is not to my liking.) But that doesn't make them inferior stories, or stories not worthy of recommending to others. Are nfics the only great stories? No, of course not. Indeed, on the list of my all time favorite stories, many, if not most, of them are regular fanfic stories, including my top several stories. But to say that all stories that have an adult rating are boring is no better than someone else saying that all stories with a G rating are boring. To say that one will not read a story simply because it is rated G or R or NC-17, is to miss out on some really great stories. And that is every reader's choice -- to decide what stories to read and not read. There are some extremely well-written stories out there that I choose not to read because I've learned I don't like the author's take on the characters. But I don't understand getting angry when other people who do enjoy that particular rated story (be it G or NC-17) want to discuss/recommend it. Now, if your argument is that we shouldn't recommend stories that everyone can't get (because they are nfic or out of circulation as I accidentally did with a Challenge story), then I think that is a reasonable suggestion. However, that argument was a tiny fraction of your post. >I've tried reading the PG versions of some nfic. Either there isn't any >viable story once the excrutiating detail is gone...or the author takes >great delight in lording it over the reader about what "joy" they're >missing by not reading the salacious version. Obviously you have not read the PG versions of Sheila Harper's nfics, Shot In The Dark, Faster Than A Speeding Bullet, and her TUFS two-parter, Mxysplit and All Mxyed Up. These have so much "viable story", they leak out around the edges! (Actually, I shouldn't say you "obviously" haven't read them ... perhaps you have and don't agree there is a viable story there. No disrespect was intended; I'm simply trying to respond to what sounded to me like a blanket statement that PG versions of nfic don't have any substance to them.) >I realize that some people enjoy nfic. That's okay, if that's what you >like, read it...but don't push it in front of me when I *don't* want it. I >stopped going on IRC because I got fed up with the nudge-nudge-wink-wink >atmosphere there. If it continues here, I guess I'll be staying away from >here too;\ Are we "pushing" it in front of you by talking about it and recommending it on a fanfic listserv? I thought that was the point of this listserv, to discuss and recommend fanfics. If I post that Chris Mulder's two-parter "Love Beyond All Measure" and "Dimensions of Loving" are my two all time favorite fanfics of any rating (they are) and gush over how incredible the story is, and you don't agree, am I "pushing it in front of you when you *don't* want it"? If someone recommends a "death fic" (a theme that I choose not to read), and several others jump on the bandwagon and join into the recommendation, are they pushing it on me? If I'm bored with a thread, I skim or delete unread the messages with that heading. Or better yet, I try to come up with a thread or two on a different topic, to distract people from the "boring" topic and start a conversation more to my liking. >So in summary, I'd prefer it if this list didn't become a front for nfic. >Some of the people on the list *can't* get it, and others of us would just >rather not. I guess I just don't see how one thread with maybe 20 posts over a couple of days is turning this list into a "front for nfic". I've been on this list since Day 1 (ok, actually, it might have been Week 1, but there weren't many people here when I got here ), and I've seen a pattern to our posting. Maybe it's a common pattern with smaller listservs, I don't know. We tend to fixate on one topic for a few days or weeks, then move onto something else. The "Kathy's Challenge" thread filled my mailbox for close to a month, generating a flurry of activity that hadn't been seen on this list before. This thread hasn't generated nearly that activity. The Challenge thread died down as people got busy and moved onto other things. This pattern has been shown with each of our threads so far. This thread will do the same. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:25:05 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-17 11:09:48 EST, you write: << >From Kathy: Are we "pushing" it in front of you by talking about it and recommending it on a fanfic listserv? I thought that was the point of this listserv, to discuss and recommend fanfics. >> IMHO, this is a great idea. I am still (I think) new to this list, and it is intimidating to encounter a 600 story archive and dozens of others. I for one would love to see some of the FoLCs who have actually read most of the stories (you know you're out there ) recommend a starting point for the rest of us. The best stories I have read have been suggested on this list, and I'm sure you all have your personal favorites. How about sharing that information with the rest of us as a starting point. One Rule: Make sure the story is still available, to do otherwise is just plain frustrating! I realize that we do this occasionally, now. But maybe everyone could look back through their stuff and suggest, say, their 5 all-time favorites. I'm sure there will be some repetition, but most of us can think of 5 that we just love, and those are worth passing on. What do you think? It could be as much fun as the Challenge was (now THAT generated some great reading!) Thanks for reading! Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:11:28 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Joyce Fitch Subject: Re: NFIC In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980117195113.0092aa40@fox.uq.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rochelle, I'm so old I don't think I regret anything anymore ;-) I keep all names of people on the nfic private as does Debby I'm sure. To explain just a bit further, several list members who "know people who know people" have given crew or cast info about nfic and the list, even asked writers to participate anonymously. Of course when any one of these people contact me I am most gracious. And also of course, they could be complete frauds. That's about it! Joyce >Joyce wrote, perhaps to regret later: > >>Also, in answer to a thought Linda expressed about cast and crew reading >>nfic. Yes, some do. Now, if only they would also write! ;-) > >Care to expand on that comment? > >Rochelle >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Love can move you to a place inside your heart, > Where you can feel no evil, acceptance is a natural part of life." > - Savage Garden "Love Can Move You" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:38:54 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Larus2407 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-17 11:30:22 EST, you write: << But maybe everyone could look back through their stuff and suggest, say, their 5 all-time favorites. >> OK, Louette McInnes's "Turning Point" Debby Stark's "Carry Tiger to Mountain" Neither even have any romance in them . And watch for Margaret's forthcoming story in several parts ... --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:47:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Gary Subject: Re: Story Recommendations In-Reply-To: <8ac9733.34c0db63@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:25 AM 1/17/98 -0500, you wrote: > >IMHO, this is a great idea. I am still (I think) new to this list, and it is >intimidating to encounter a 600 story archive and dozens of others. I for one >would love to see some of the FoLCs who have actually read most of the stories >(you know you're out there ) recommend a starting point for the rest of >us. > That's easy...start with Zoomway! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | Gary A. Rudick mailto:gar8434@rit.edu | | "You decide what you feel heaven is worth" - Deborah Gibson, TWYH | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:30:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: RE Thou shalt read NFIC In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980116173959.0069ac94@capitalnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:40 PM 1/16/98 -0500, Margaret wrote: >Yes, I was under the impression this was an nfic free zone. I've read a >number of messages in the last few days putting in glowing recommendations >about nfic. I've read nfic, I find it...boring. I am sorry Margaret, but a recommendation for a story, whatever the actual story's rating, does not violate any censorship laws that I am aware of. The word "sex" is not what we try and shield our precious youngesters from, it's the details of same, which were never brought forth on this list in any event. So I must admit that your attempt to quell a discussion on the basis that you personally do not find the medium worthwhile is a little small. As I recall also, most of the stories in question *did* have PG alternatives, (whether you enjoyed them yourself or not ;) and it was those versions which were being discussed, not the NFic versions. We've all read the guidlines of this list, we've (most of us) been here since the day it went up, and there will never be any non PG fiction posted here. The discussions you are questioning stemmed from discussions of PG stories which, yes, do indeed have uneditted versions, but no one was suggesting these be put up here or transcribed to someone's kids. They are also *unavailable* from any public forum, and therefore, anyone curious from the WWW, or any listserv would not have easy access to them in any event. >Sorry, but if the one's I've read are anything to go by, it's like reading >a story about a couple having a romantic dinner and the author going off on >a five page tangent, in infinite, excrutiating detail about how the couple >masticates their food. I *know* how to chew food!;) Ah, so this is about your own taste then, and not the moral ramifications of our discussion. :) You might have framed your post that way instead. >I don't need the >infinite detail. [I also resent the Pavlov's dog aspect of nfic, but >that's a whole other issue. That is a potentially fascinating discussion ;) I'd love to go into the psychsomatic ramifications of Classical Conditioning and it's role (or lack thereof) in Nfic with you some time, I don't see that your comparison holds true, and if you want to discuss that at some point, I'd love to know why you see it that way :) >I realize that some people enjoy nfic. That's okay, if that's what you >like, read it...but don't push it in front of me when I *don't* want it. I >stopped going on IRC because I got fed up with the nudge-nudge-wink-wink >atmosphere there. If it continues here, I guess I'll be staying away from >here too;\ You know something, I'm really sorry you felt that way. When I read something online, I know that it's a figment of electrons in cyberspace representing someone else's opinion, and the only way it's getting shoved down *my* throat, is if I start thrusting it in there myself ;) Im the words of Dr Friskin, Margaret, quite frankly.. "You're not a victim. Stop acting like one." ;) >So in summary, I'd prefer it if this list didn't become a front for nfic. >Some of the people on the list *can't* get it, and others of us would just >rather not. That is moot. There never has nor will be Nfic posted or available through this list. But it does exist out there in cyberspace, and whether you choose to care for it or not, some of it is really well written, and worthy of the same accolaids as any other work of fiction. Unfortunately, neither you, not anyone else can censor the discussion of it's existence. But rest assured that you will never ever have to read it if you don't want to. The A-Team assigned to your home with torture equipment and a few story copies has been recalled ;) Take Care All ;) Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:29:11 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: Re: Story Recommendations In-Reply-To: <8ac9733.34c0db63@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:25 AM 1/17/98 EST, JCWimmer wrote: >IMHO, this is a great idea. I am still (I think) new to this list, and it is >intimidating to encounter a 600 story archive and dozens of others. I for one >would love to see some of the FoLCs who have actually read most of the stories >(you know you're out there ) recommend a starting point for the rest of >us. I know exactly what you mean. I've actually read very few fanfics, mainly because I have to chose time-wise between writing them or reading them. For now, I'd rather write them BUT I do sometimes feel the urge to read something and usually have no idea where to start. The new list on the archive is a big help but not always satisfying in terms of hitting the spot on any particular day. >I realize that we do this occasionally, now. But maybe everyone could look >back through their stuff and suggest, say, their 5 all-time favorites. I'm >sure there will be some repetition, but most of us can think of 5 that we just >love, and those are worth passing on. This isn't a bad idea, however from recent experience going through websites which review romance novels, I'd have to guess that just listing the stories might not be all that much help. The reason I say this, and it is just MHO but based on repeated experience of seeing lists of top favorite romances or top-rated novels which I end up disliking intensely, is that everyone's tastes are so different, using those kinds of lists would STILL be like looking for a needle in a haystack without more information to go on. However, they could be a good starting point for complete newbies to fanfic. For others, it might be more beneficial to do something more along the lines of common, and maybe even unusual, themes and THAT could be incorporated into the Inquiry part of Kathy's Challenge. This is something used on several romance website to everyone's benefit because people do tend to like, and dislike, the same kinds of stories themes and writing styles over and over even within a genre that they love. Using lists of this nature, I've found quite a few stories to avoid because I don't like that theme and it does save time in the long run. The L&C archive does something along this line, but is very limited in terms of space. It might be interesting to see what we could come up with on the list. Somebody make an INQUIRY, i.e. label it that in the subject, about a theme or style they like to read in L&C fanfic -- examples: first baby, alt-Clark, young Clark, young Lois, script-style stories, etc -- and I'll add it to the Kathy's Challenge listing. Then people could toss out stories they've enjoyed with those in them. But if we do, remember NO SPOILERS, PLEASE because if knowing the theme is really a spoiler for the story, this could get messy. Just a thought and suggestion, Beverly :-) ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:04:17 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: Tired of seeing RE:nfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi guys! I must say the comments about nfic are interesting but are getting = pretty old. Why don't we start talking about something else. I have an = idea. Why don't we form some kind of monthly contest for web sites. All = who have sites and want to be part of the contest could send them to me = and I could do a vote thing. If you guys/gals like the idea I will = organize it. Let me know what you think Thanks=20 Darb (my name backward) ------------------------------------------ Brad Gardner Gardners@htc.net=20 Visit the Gardner family web directory at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html=20 ------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:42:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: NFIC - Not Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:10 AM 17/01/98 -0500, Kathy wrote: >But to say that all stories that have an adult rating are boring is no >better than someone else saying that all stories with a G rating are >boring. To say that one will not read a story simply because it is rated G >or R or NC-17, is to miss out on some really great stories. And that is >every reader's choice -- to decide what stories to read and not read. >There are some extremely well-written stories out there that I choose not >to read because I've learned I don't like the author's take on the >characters. Yes, but unless you *do* read the story you don't know if it's worth reading. Some people on this list can't read the stories being recommended. With my bad experience reading nfic, I avoid reading that type of fanfic now. >But I don't understand getting angry when other people who do enjoy that >particular rated story (be it G or NC-17) want to discuss/recommend it. > >Now, if your argument is that we shouldn't recommend stories that everyone >can't get (because they are nfic or out of circulation as I accidentally >did with a Challenge story), then I think that is a reasonable suggestion. That was my point:) Thanks for wording it better than I did:) >However, that argument was a tiny fraction of your post. >Obviously you have not read the PG versions of Sheila Harper's nfics, Shot >In The Dark, Faster Than A Speeding Bullet, and her TUFS two-parter, >Mxysplit and All Mxyed Up. These have so much "viable story", they leak >out around the edges! I've read the mxy versions issued on TUFS. [Actually I'd trashed the TUFS eps, because my experience with the previous episodes of TUFS wasn't good, and I figured "why waste my time" (are you seeing a trend here?). Someone recommended these two to me, and sent them to me again] I wasn't aware there was an nfic version of them...or perhaps I would have said no I didn't want to read them, since my experience with nfic converted to PG stories hasn't been good in the past. >Are we "pushing" it in front of you by talking about it and recommending it >on a fanfic listserv? I thought that was the point of this listserv, to >discuss and recommend fanfics. As I mentioned above, I thought this listserv was here to discuss fanfic *not* nfic. >If I post that Chris Mulder's two-parter "Love Beyond All Measure" and >"Dimensions of Loving" are my two all time favorite fanfics of any rating >(they are) and gush over how incredible the story is, and you don't agree, >am I "pushing it in front of you when you *don't* want it"? It is if I can't get those *great* stories (and I agree they *are* great)...and you *know* I can't get them...and keep going on and on about what a wonderful thing I'm missing and then point out to me, that no matter how much I want to read them, that I can't get a copy of the story because...I'm not in the US...or I'm not young enough to appreciate them...or, some other such reason why it's not possible for me to read the stories and have an opinion for myself. I do have the choice of reading nfic. Based on past experience, and how I feel about that experience, I'd just rather not read nfic...thank you very much. Since I was under the impression this list was for discussion of fanfic (not nfic), I figured I would be spared the nudge-nudge-wink-wink faction of fandom here...I was wrong. So when a bunch of posts touting nfic hit my mailbox, it seemed to me that people were pushing a product that I *thought* was verbotten here. >If someone recommends a "death fic" (a theme that I choose not to read), >and several others jump on the bandwagon and join into the recommendation, >are they pushing it on me? I have no idea what "death fic" is, so I'm not sure I have an opinion. (My gut instinct is telling me I don't *ever* want to know what it is;) However, if there had been a message early on in the list stating "no death fic" and you figured you'd be spared hearing about it...what would *your* reaction be if a number of posts hit this list telling you what a "wonderful" genre this is? >If I'm bored with a thread, I skim or delete unread the messages with that >heading. Or better yet, I try to come up with a thread or two on a >different topic, to distract people from the "boring" topic and start a >conversation more to my liking. I wasn't bored with the *thread*, I was *mad* at it. I was under the impression this list was for fanfic...not nfic. I don't read nfic, by choice, because my experience with it has *not* been good. The worst one was so sadistic and twisted it turned me off the whole genre;\ There *are* people on this list that cannot read nfic. I think it is inconsiderate, at the very least, to promote stories that aren't available to everyone on this list. I understand that there are "official" channels that do promote nfic. I suggest using them, instead. >I've been on this list since Day 1 (ok, actually, it might have been Week >1, but there weren't many people here when I got here ), So, you *did* see the post from Farrah about *no* nfic >We tend to fixate on one topic for a few days or weeks, then move onto >something else. This pattern has been shown with each of our threads so far. This >thread will do the same. Since I want this thread to end...I should shut up, eh? Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:45:53 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: Tired of seeing RE:nfic In-Reply-To: <01BD2340.4103F760@ppp06.htc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Darb! I think your contest idea is very good. I would point out that you might= want to limit it to web sites with fanfic, since this is a fanfic list, = or move the contest to the main L&C list if you prefer to keep the contes= t open to all sites. In either case, I'll toss my hat into the ring - A FoLC Named Peace http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/7137 Peace who readily confesses that her mother never (well, almost never) calls her that ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:17:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: RE Thou shalt read NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:30 PM 17/01/98 -0500, demona wrote: >So I must admit that your attempt to quell a discussion on the basis that >you personally do not find the medium worthwhile is a little small. I guess I hit a nerve, eh? I just got tired of a one-sided "discussion" about nfic, and wanted to point out that there *are* people that are *not* absolutely fascinated by them. >As I recall also, most of the stories in question *did* have PG >alternatives, (whether you enjoyed them yourself or not ;) and it was those >versions which were being discussed, not the NFic versions. My recollections are different. >yes, do indeed have uneditted versions, but no one was >suggesting these be put up here or transcribed to someone's kids. They are >also *unavailable* from any public forum, and therefore, anyone curious >from the WWW, or any listserv would not have easy access to them in any event. Sorry, but you're wrong. I do *not* belong to any of the "official" distribution lists, never have (Debby tells me I'm her *last* hold-out)...and I *have* read nfic. Does that give you *any* idea of how widespread the stories are? Once the story leaves your C: drive...you no longer have control. >Ah, so this is about your own taste then, and not the moral ramifications >of our discussion. :) You might have framed your post that way instead. I thought I had. >>I don't need the >>infinite detail. [I also resent the Pavlov's dog aspect of nfic, but >>that's a whole other issue. >That is a potentially fascinating discussion ;) I'd love to go into the >psychsomatic ramifications of Classical Conditioning and it's role (or lack >thereof) in Nfic with you some time, I don't see that your comparison holds >true, and if you want to discuss that at some point, I'd love to know why >you see it that way :) Gee, I didn't know you were a psychoanalyst...I thought you were in theatre arts Put more simply...I don't like being manipulated. >You know something, I'm really sorry you felt that way. When I read >something online, I know that it's a figment of electrons in cyberspace >representing someone else's opinion, and the only way it's getting shoved >down *my* throat, is if I start thrusting it in there myself ;) Ah, yes, to quote Eleanor Roosevelt "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." >Im the words of Dr Friskin, Margaret, quite frankly.. >"You're not a victim. Stop acting like one." ;) I would have been "acting like a victim" if I'd kept my opinion to myself. That's why I decided to voice my negative opinion. I was tired of sitting back and listening to a lot of bilgewater about how "wonderful" nfic is. > Unfortunately, neither >you, not anyone else can censor the discussion of it's existence. Didn't you mean "fortunately"? I wasn't aware I was censoring the discussion out of existence, just requesting that it move to another venue. A venue in which only people over 18 would be involved, and the parameters of the discussion explained as you walked through the door. > But rest >assured that you will never ever have to read it if you don't want to. The >A-Team assigned to your home with torture equipment and a few story copies >has been recalled ;) I *am* relieved...I'd hate to have them slip on the ice on my front walk and hurt themselves Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:27:08 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I wasn't going to send this until tomorrow, but decided we needed a distraction. Enjoy, I hope. Beverly ;-) ********** "Characters in this story are copyrighted by December 3rd Production, Warner Brothers, and ABC. No infringement is intended in any part by the author, however, the ideas expressed within this story are copyrighted to the author." DEDICATION: This story is dedicated to my two children, Mark and Amy, who share my love of the modern myth of Superman and the timeless love story embodied in his two 'other' identities, Lois Lane & Clark Kent. I also want to especially thank my two alpha editors for continuing to prod me along, even when I balked and wanted to desert the ship. Enjoy your new careers with my blessings and all my love. AUTHOR'S NOTES: Essentially, this is a prologue installment of a series of stories about Lois & Clark's developing relationship. HOPE is both mysterious background as well as another look at the PILOT episode of LOIS & CLARK. Oh, and one more thing, while each installment, or season, of this story will have its own title, I have to admit that the universe I'm using and even parts of the story are the same as my previously created SANCTUARY nfanfiction, so I've jokingly taken to calling the entire desperate attempt to get these images out of my head and into words NEBS, for short, or . . . THE NEVERENDING BATTLE FOR SANCTUARY THE PILOT: HOPE by B.B. Medos [bbmedos@aol.com] A BEGINNING . . . Or is it an ending? And does it truly matter? Because it's not the time, Or place, that's important, But what we do with the time we're given And the people we meet along the way . . . One second he was performing a series of intricate high- speed airborne maneuvers, totally in control, and the next he was plunging headlong towards the waters far below, completely unable to regain any form of control. For some reason, the ability to come to an immediate full stop at the incredibly high speeds and altitudes he was able to achieve during flight still eluded him. It was extremely frustrating because, for him, control was everything. Yet, even that momentary setback wasn't nearly as irritating as abruptly realizing that what he'd assumed was open ocean was not. Whenever he was doing his workouts, he always made sure there wasn't anything damageable within sight, so where the heck had this island come from? Picking himself up out of the three foot deep water, spitting out both sand and seaweed in disgust, he looked around in considerable consternation. His eyes widened as he took in the cottage sitting against the backdrop of trees directly in front of him with something akin to dread. Islands were one thing, inhabitants were something else all together. This was not good. What was really unnerving was the old man yelling at him from the porch of said cottage. "Well, don't just stand there, Skyboy. Come on in, supper's almost ready." He blinked a few times before walking towards the cottage rather hesitantly. At the bottom of the steps, he stopped and eyed the old hermit with a mixture of distrust and amusement. He'd met plenty of hermits of all kinds in his travels, but something about this guy was unusual, enough to make him more nervous. "Ah, well . . . I really don't want to bother you, sir." "Nonsense, Skyboy, no bother at all. Besides, supper IS almost ready and I might as well share it with you as anyone else." The stranger chuckled then stopped walking into the cottage to look back over his shoulder. "Oh, by the way, the name's Charlie." "How do you stand the loneliness?" The white-haired man leaning against the porch rail beside him didn't move. Didn't speak. Skyboy had almost decided his friend wasn't going to answer the question. Then again, Charlie had seemed distracted and withdrawn, even more than normal, ever since Skyboy had arrived on the island earlier that morning. Maybe he hadn't even heard. Skyboy started to repeat his query when the shaggy white head finally turned in his direction. "What loneliness?" Skyboy stared at the other's expression of honest puzzlement, not understanding the reaction at all. "What loneliness? Being stranded on this island for one thing. How do you stand it?" Charlie chuckled, but it ended up sounding more like a wheeze causing Skyboy to study him a little more closely than he had before. He immediately moved to help his friend lower himself onto the chair but was waved away. "What you call being stranded, I call peace. There's a difference. A very big difference." "Well, I don't see it." Charlie shrugged. "No, I don't suppose you do." Skyboy frowned, uncertain from the sarcastic note in the gruff voice whether he was being rebuked or teased. Sometimes with Charlie, he simply didn't know. "Either way, you're still alone." "Maybe. Maybe not. But what it really gets down to is that one is torment, the other, comfort." Skyboy lowered himself down onto the top step leading down to the beach and leaned back against the railing. He appeared to relax with his long muscular legs stretched out in front of him on the porch, but Charlie sensed the tension in the casual pose and knew from the troubled expression the youth tried to hide as he turned to stare out at the ocean waves in the distance that Skyboy had figured out the same thing he had. Charlie was very close to death. Maybe not today. Or even tomorrow. But . . . soon. Charlie sighed, realizing the knowledge was more burden for his young friend than it was for him. At this point, death held absolutely no horror for him. The opposite was true. He welcomed it. Oh, he wasn't rushing towards it, by any means, but he'd reached the point where dying was more appealing than continuing to live. Besides, his physical body, at least, was tired. Tired of the continued fight to keep itself going. Of course, he also knew the young pup in front of him had no way of understanding that concept. For him, life was just beginning. The irony of it was that Skyboy was so young he didn't even have enough memories of his own to warrant holding onto life and yet, instinctively, he did . . . with both hands. Not just for himself but for his friend and with the typical arrogance of youth was totally frustrated and baffled when he couldn't. Charlie, on the other hand, had reached the point where he had nothing but memories, good, bad and in-between, and perversely wanted to escape them and life itself in the process. No, not escape them, not exactly. More . . . become one with them again. Did that mean that he now felt the loneliness after all these years? With a rueful shake of his head, his gaze returned to Skyboy. "There are many kinds of loneliness, my friend, some much worse than others. The worst kind has absolutely nothing to do with being around others." "And that is?" "When you can't stand your own company. That's when you're alone in the middle of a crowd. That kind of loneliness is torment. Of the soul." "So you're saying you like staying here alone because you like yourself?" Charlie began laughing so hard he started coughing again and couldn't stop. When the spasms eased and he was finally able to focus his eyes again, Skyboy was standing in front of him with a glass of water. With his friend's persistent help, Charlie took a sip then leaned back in the chair. He smiled. "I could, as you say, 'like myself' anywhere. I chose to stay here because there isn't anywhere else I want to be. I simply want to be here. Nowhere else." "But . . . why?" "Why not?" Skyboy blinked and fell silent, unable to answer the simple question. Finally, he whispered again. "Isn't there anyone you'd like to visit. I mean, I could . . . " "No." When Skyboy looked crestfallen at the gruff answer, Charlie sighed and tried again. "The simple truth of the matter is that it's not my world, not anymore. This island . . . " The old man's voice trailed off, then he smiled before continuing, "Well, she's all that's left of my world. I wouldn't fit in the other . . . nor do I want to. Not anymore. Besides, I'm too old to change and too tired to make the effort in the first place." Skyboy stared at the ocean. "Did you ever?" It was Charlie's turn to blink at the quiet question. "Did I ever what?" "Fit in." The old man's white eyebrows rose. "To be honest, I'm not sure. There were times I thought I did. There were also times I was positive I stood out like the oddity I always believed myself to be. That's one of the reasons I love this island. She takes care of everything, even me, and I don't have to care anymore. About anything." Skyboy's head slowly turned towards his friend and he smiled, a soft wistful smile. "I think I understand." And so, far into the unknown future or remote in the distant past, depending on whose eyes you gaze out of, or stare into, the one called Skyboy fought to hold his emotions in check as the white-haired man on the bed opened his eyes. He didn't like watching helplessly as the last of his friend's strength ebbed away. He'd never appreciated feeling helpless and appreciated it even less as he matured into adulthood. Sometimes, though, there was nothing one could do, no matter how determined, how brilliant, or how . . . powerful. Sometimes nature simply won the battle and death followed life. Slowly, the older man's wrinkled hand reached out and he took it in his. Their eyes met, unwaveringly and his grip tightened as the other strained to whisper. "Exactly at the top of the island. You'll remember?" "I will." "And the other--you promise?" For a moment, Skyboy didn't answer, couldn't speak, because he realized that last struggling effort to gain his pledge had been the older man's last and his friend's eyes were finally closed in an endless sleep. After a second, he nodded again, anyway. "Yes, Charlie, I'll keep an eye on her for you. Always." Always. Forever. Or, the blink of an eye. Eternity measured in seconds or millennia. The passage of time is perceived so differently by the old than it is by the young. For someone at the end of a long and eventful life, a year, or even a decade, can seem extremely brief. For the young at the beginning of the journey, the same span of time can be a literal eternity. Sometimes, the human method of measuring time simply isn't an adequate way of describing a life of love. Sometimes, there is simply no one way to satisfactorily explain the connection between two individuals. Sometimes their love, and their story, is as unique as they are. And what brings two such hearts together? Destiny? Fate? An act of God, whatever one might call their own personal creator? Maybe, but if so, then that same supreme destiny is sometimes shaped by very physical, very human hands even though circumstances beyond their control force those hands into action. For example, what could possibly cause two loving parents to choose to send a helpless infant across a vast universe to a completely unknown, solitary fate? Fear? Unquestionably. Desperation? Certainly. Determination? Without a doubt. Yet, are any of those an adequate explanation? Maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps the secret of what motivated their final decision lies not in the circumstances which initially began their labor of love but in the destination they eventually chose for that beloved child. Maybe, through means which would seem almost magical to us, they saw all they needed in the eyes and hearts of the people waiting to receive him into their welcoming arms. "My name is Jor-El and you are Kal-El, my son. The object you now possess has been attuned to you. That you now hear these words is proof that you survived the journey into space and reached your full maturity. Now it is time for you to learn your heritage. To that end I will appear to you five times. Watch for the light. Listen and learn. Time grows short and we continue to search. The immensity of space is both a blessing and a curse. In that near infinite variety there must be some place suitable. Hope and desperation drive us in equal measure. Lara works by my side. She's tireless and endlessly patient. Considering what is to come, this is my greatest consolation that we are together." "This is second of the five times I will appear to you. You may wonder that I speak your language and not my native Kryptonian. Unmanned Kryptonian probes have explored every corner of the known galaxy and beyond. For thousands of centuries, we've received data back from those probes. I have every confidence that given enough time, we can achieve the conversion to a manned vessel but will we have the time? There is an ancient Kryptonian saying 'On a long road, take small steps.' Precision and care are the watchwords yet we still have far to go." "There is no longer any doubt, the chain reaction has begun. As panic spreads, the population awakens too late to its fate. Our future is inevitable. At last the computers have located a suitable destination, a planet physically and biologically compatible with Krypton whose inhabitants resemble ours and whose society is based on ethical standards which we too embrace in concept if not always in deed. The inhabitants call it simply Earth." "We have installed the hyper-light drive and tested it as best we can. So much is unknown. Contained within the sphere is the navigational computer that will guide the ship through the maze of hyper-space as well as this account of our final days." "I try to picture where you are now as you hear this last chapter. What do you look like? Are you alone? What have you become? Lara and I will never know but that you should live to experience this, that is enough. We are content. We give you to Earth, to a realm called America and a place called Kansas. Remember us and do not regret our passing. All is fate." --from FOUNDLING THE NEW COLOSSUS by Emma Lazarus Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame. "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Inscribed on a tablet in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty in 1908. --continued tomorrow in part 2 of HOPE ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:50:45 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980117132708.006b32c4@hop-uky.campus.mci.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can't wait to read the rest ;) That was great! Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:42:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: NFIC - Not In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980117134139.006a62f4@capitalnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:42 PM -0500 1/17/98, Margaret Brignell wrote: >I have no idea what "death fic" is, so I'm not sure I have an opinion. (My >gut instinct is telling me I don't *ever* want to know what it is;) No .. you don't. But for those of you who do want to know, it's a story where either Lois or Clark dies (age can range from 1st season to their 80's+) and we get to see how the surviving spouse or family deals with the situation. In defense of those stories, there have been the very rare few that I've found worth my time to read once -- and they have all been the 80+ variety. But the vast majority aren't my cup of tea. >However, if there had been a message early on in the list stating "no death >fic" and you figured you'd be spared hearing about it...what would *your* >reaction be if a number of posts hit this list telling you what a >"wonderful" genre this is? I'd disagree, then delete the posts and change the subject. >I would have been "acting like a victim" if I'd kept my opinion to myself. >That's why I decided to voice my negative opinion. I was tired of sitting >back and listening to a lot of bilgewater about how "wonderful" nfic is. I guess this is why I'm taken aback. I understand what your feelings are about the genre, even if I don't agree. I can certainly agree to disagree with someone, or have a difference of opinion without getting nasty (and I don't think I have). But we have apparently been reading posts differently, since I can't recall one post that talked about how wonderful nfic was as a genre. To my recollection, this thread started because someone mentioned a particular fanfic (that happened to be nfic), and a few others agreed that it was a great story. Someone asked where they could get it, and were told it wasn't on the Archive because it was nfic. Then others provided information on how to get on the nfic list. A few nfics were mentioned specifically by title (most with PG versions), but I never saw anyone saying that nfic was better than regular (it's not; it depends on the story) or how everyone should read it (not everyone is interested, and some people are offended). I remember posts that talked about a few specific stories (three, that I can recall), and I remember posting myself that *not* every nfic was worth reading. So, when did anyone say how great nfic was as a genre? BTW, my dictionary lists the meaning of "bilgewater" (yes, I had to look it up) as "stupid nonsense". Thus, I can only assume you mean I wrote "stupid nonsense" when I posted that there are some wonderful nfics. I find this comment (bordering on a flame, IMO) hurtful. I would have hoped we could avoid such digs. >I don't read nfic, by choice, because my experience with it has *not* been >good. The worst one was so sadistic and twisted it turned me off the whole >genre;\ LOL! OMG, how awful! I would pay money (seriously ... I have some Canadian quarters I can send you ) to find out what this story was. If you have any willingness to tell me, please email me privately. I'd really love to know. (I'm not laughing at you for being turned off; I'm seriously fascinated by what story could do this to someone. There have been a few stories so incredibly bad they were almost worth reading to laugh at them , and many that I would call just "boring" (to me), and there have been some that I found unsettling ... but I can't think of ones that were sadistic and twisted (to me). Taste is so subjective ... I find it fascinating. :)) >So, you *did* see the post from Farrah about *no* nfic I remember that no nfic is to be posted to this listserv. I don't recall whether or not it's against the rules to mention an nfic at all. And I have noticed that Farah has been conspicuously absent since this thread came up. (When the cat's away ... ? ) >Since I want this thread to end...I should shut up, eh? /me opens her mouth to respond, then closes it just as quickly. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:39:36 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Larus2407 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-17 14:48:51 EST, you write: << Can't wait to read the rest ;) That was great! >> I haven't started yet--was planning to read it offline. But then I saw Demi's reply... Bev, have you gone and sent us a story that you haven't yet finished part 2/2 of? :P I HATE that! You know I hate that! C'mon gal, you're supposed to be getting some storms down your way, so find someplace cozy and WRITE!!!! --Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:48:38 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Clarification In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is it bad form to reply to your own post? At 5:42 PM -0500 1/17/98, Kathy Brown wrote: >but I can't think of ones that were sadistic and >twisted (to me). Taste is so subjective ... I find it fascinating. :)) I read what I wrote and felt the desperate need to clarify. I don't find sadistic and twisted fanfics fascinating. I find the fact that people who otherwise have a lot in common (and Margaret and I tend to agree on a lot of L&C stuff), have such different tastes when it comes to fanfic fascinating. Sorry 'bout that. ;) Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:51:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 In-Reply-To: <8aa5315e.34c14f4a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:39 PM -0500 1/17/98, Larus2407 wrote: >Bev, have you gone and sent us a story that you haven't yet finished part 2/2 >of? :P I HATE that! You know I hate that! C'mon gal, you're supposed to be >getting some storms down your way, so find someplace cozy and WRITE!!!! Nah, she's finished it, at least the rest of HOPE. She just hasn't posted it yet. Tomorrow, I think she said. :) Kathy (who agrees with Laurie that I HATE THAT! when someone posts 1/2 without having written 2/2. I'm one of those that saves the various parts of a story and reads them once it's completed, just because I go nuts waiting to find out what happened next. ) ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:18:55 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: NFIC - Not Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:42 PM 17/01/98 -0500, Kathy wrote: >BTW, my dictionary lists the meaning of "bilgewater" (yes, I had to look it >up) as "stupid nonsense". Thus, I can only assume you mean I wrote "stupid >nonsense" when I posted that there are some wonderful nfics. I find this >comment (bordering on a flame, IMO) hurtful. I would have hoped we could >avoid such digs. No, I didn't mean that at all, I was talking primarily about another couple of posts, written just before I first blew up;) I can't remember by whom or the specific details (I tend to read and trash...and *then* have an opinion)...but one of them was a lengthy post telling some poor underage fan she'd have to wait x number of years (it was something like 4 or 6 years) before she'd be able to read the "wonderful" nfic. Perhaps I misread the post...anything is possible;) But it hit one of my hot buttons. >I would pay money (seriously ... I have some Canadian >quarters I can send you ) to find out what this story was. If you have >any willingness to tell me, please email me privately. I just might do that;) Margaret BTW if anyone is interested in what it's been like around here for the last week...look at p. 12 in this week's Time magazine. ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:44:10 -0600 Reply-To: peabody@mcs.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pat Organization: Amarna House Subject: Re: Story Recommendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Crystal suggested: > > << But maybe everyone could look > back through their stuff and suggest, say, their 5 all-time favorites. >> > Just off the top of my head, the first 5 I come up with (in no order) are: Debby Stark's "Carry Tiger to Mountain" Chris Mulder's "Love Beyond All Measure" Debby Stark's and Margaret Brignell's "Swap Meet" series Sheila Harper's "Shot in the Dark" and, if it's ok to include an n-fic, "Are You Being Served?" whose author I've forgotten. Of course, if I limit myself to 5, I won't have room to include those wonderful stories that Gorn and Kathy Brown wrote, or Sandy McDermin's "Love as a Blonde" or the play "Truth or Dare" whose author I've also forgotten. And since I've been reading fanfic for the past 3 years (before I had access to email or the list) I *know* there are any number of stories (which I enjoyed every bit as much as those mentioned above) that I've filed into my long-term memory, and can't immediately access for this post. Pat -- peabody@mcs.com pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:55:10 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:51 PM 1/17/98 +1100, you wrote: >Joyce wrote, perhaps to regret later: > >>Also, in answer to a thought Linda expressed about cast and crew reading >>nfic. Yes, some do. Now, if only they would also write! ;-) > >Care to expand on that comment? > >Rochelle I'd like to know, too... :) ** However, all names of readers stay private unless they give themselves away :) **and I don't know as of now... wish I did :) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:05:57 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: Re: NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:33 PM 1/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >I just wasn't sure if we were allowed to discuss stuff like that on this >listserv (heh heh, a little late now, eh? ), and I guess I tend to be a >little more protective than some when it comes to nfic. This is what the list is for. I am glad we have figured out what is in/appropriate for this list. I would encourage to explain what 'nfic' is. I wouldn't want some pre-teen going to find out themselves. Questions are always welcome and if reading or writing nfic is a sin, then .... wow. I wonder if its okay to daydream about my husband? (did anyone see Titanic? After that movie, I was extremely glad to have my best friend sitting beside me) farah :) fchisham@indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:28:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: I guess I should be a little more clear (was Re: NFIC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >This is what the list is for. I am glad we have figured out >what is in/appropriate for this list. > >I would encourage to explain what 'nfic' is. I wouldn't >want some pre-teen going to find out themselves. >Questions are always welcome and if reading or >writing nfic is a sin, then .... wow. > >>There *are* people on this list that cannot read nfic. I think it is >>inconsiderate, at the very least, to promote stories that aren't available >>to everyone on this list. I understand that there are "official" channels >>that do promote nfic. I suggest using them, instead. >> >>>I've been on this list since Day 1 (ok, actually, it might have been Week >>>1, but there weren't many people here when I got here ), >> >>So, you *did* see the post from Farrah about *no* nfic >> Personally, I feel its okay to discuss the fact that nfic exists and where one can go to get the information. There's always going to be some kinds of posts that some people don't like. Margaret doesn't want to hear about it -- that's fine. I liked the Kathy's Challenge thread but I didn't know enough fanfics so I chose not to participate, so I routed that mail into another folder and then got rid of it when it looked full. Please people, don't post any nfic stories on here. However, discussing nfic and recommending stories to others is okay. No one likes to recieve mail in their private inbox that says "You should *really* read this great Xena fanfic that I found" when they aren't interested in Xena at all. It's like going to a dinner party. There are some discussions that one chooses not to take part in, so they either leave or begin their own discussion about something that interests them. One should stand up for themselves on the list, but then, please take it to private email. No one likes to be ganged up on and I feel that Margaret B. was getting more than her fair share. Like I said, this is a general list for fanfic or deathfic or anything that interests anyone. I won't kick you off for posting Xena Deathfic, but other people may want to :) Be happy Folcs and respect other's opinion. farah :) fchisham@indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:19:09 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genevieve Subject: Categorizing Fanfiction (was Nfic - NOT!) & my Five Favorites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One of the reasons given for not discussing N-Fic on the list is that it is not available to everyone. But there are many groups of fanfic not available to everyone. As a non-AOLer, I know there is (was) a great deal of fanfic posted there that was not distributed to those of us outside the pale. The Krypton Club's fanfic, too, is not archived anywhere. I think limiting ourselves only to material available on the archive would be too severe. Margaret stated a number of times in her last post: >As I mentioned above, I thought this listserv was here to discuss fanfic >*not* nfic. I would say that nfic *is* fanfic -- just a sub-category. Sort of like how you could discuss poodles on a dog list -- a poodle is still a dog. Actually, it's rather interesting to look at how you can categorize fanfiction: 1. Fully developed stories: plot (not necessarily a villain plot, but a plot), character development. The characters are the same, but the story is otherwise original. Chris Muldaur's "Love Beyond All Measure" would be one of these. She created the villain, the plot, and everything in between. The story included both action, and self-realization on the part of the main characters. 2. Episode-based: Usually shorter, a missing scene, or "what if" based on an episode. It lacks the original characters of a fully developed story, being completely set within the universe of a single episode. My own "After the Battle" is one of these, just being a scene where Clark is recovering from the Kryptonite Gas in Battlefield Earth. I didn't create any new characters or settings, just continued some of the conversation. 3. The Cross-Over: Not too many of these in Lois and Clark fanfic, but some of the comic-book characters cross over. This is where the author combines two universes (LNC and Quantum Leap, for instance), and builds the story from there. I think Leanne Shawler and Zoomway have both written QL/LNC crossovers. 4. Vignettes: A short, quick scene, not even a story in length. Usually interesting only because we aleady know the characters. No plot, generally, just the characters interacting. Tara's Kissing Scene, for instance. 5. The Series: A number of stories continuing situations or new characters already introduced. I can think of a lot of these in other fanfiction groups, but I'm coming up blank in LNC. Dawning, maybe, although I really see that as one LONG story, rather than a series of stories. We'll see how many stories Bev does in her Sanctuary series. ========= Nfic stories fall into the same categories -- they are fanfiction after all. I think it's fair to say that there many nfics are mere vignettes-- describing an encounter. And always the same sort of encounter, since nfic is strictly defined, it all deals with the same subject -- sex. We are more restricted in Lois and Clark fandom in that we really have only two characters to work with -- Lois and Clark. It's not like Highlander where our Hero can have a new girlfriend every story. (Or boyfriend, but that's a whole different story.) But I can see where the vignettes in nfic would seem to become repetitive after a time. But it's the full stories that stand out for me in the nfic. We are dealing with a married couple here, and sex is a reality. Sex in marriage can be used to communicate, to forgive; it can cause problems and it can solve them. The question is how much detail does an author want to go into and why? Is the main purpose of the story merely to describe an encounter -- or to look deeply into the characters of Lois and Clark? You'll find both kinds of stories in the n-fic catalog. I tend to save the latter, printing many of them out to read over and over again. The others I read, frequently enjoy them, but rarely save them. ============== The concept of Adult fiction is interesting. We police ourselves much more strictly than any other group of fanfic I've seen. Most other groups (Highlander, Forever Knight, Due South, X-Files, etc.) post their adult fiction to the same list with the warning "ADULT" in the subject line, and permit listmembers to "turn off" the ADULT heading, so they can opt not to receive them. Cross overs usually have the same option. But we, who have the mildest form of adult fiction (married, heterosexual, with violence and blood-letting very rare) have the strictest controls. Is that because we are so much more aware of our social responsibilities, or because we have so many young people interested in Lois and Clark? But to some extent, I think we are paranoid about this. (I'm a fair one to talk, aren't I, since I haven't written any nfic.) But you'll find worse in any public library. (And yes, Demi, we librarians get complaints from parents all the time. Some sort of "official complaint form" is kept very handy at every reference desk.) Diana Gabaldon's books (Outlander, Voyager, Drums of Autumn, etc.) are a fair example. Fairly oozing with sex and violence, you'll still find them in every public library. It's not the level of explicitness nor the actions described that make something obscene or pornographic, it's the framing story, or lack thereof. And it's the framing story that we should judge nfic on. If there isn't one, that's one thing. If these is one, but there is too much "n" going on, and it detracts from the story, that's another. A good story would have both Writing a good nfic is no easier than writing a good fanfic. Maybe harder. But we are all amateurs, all learning as we go. There is a lot of ghastly fanfic out there on the web. The trick is winnowing out the wheat from the chaff. And that's one of the things this list can help with. ======= My Five Favorite Fanfics-- Assuming anyone has actually read this far down.... 1. Chris Mulder's Love Beyond All Measure (and it's sequel Dimensions of Loving). It's got it all: Clark being vulnerable; a mean, scary villian; self-sacrifice, and Lois and Clark realizing how much they care about each other. 2. So many people have mentioned Debby Stark's Carry Tiger to Mountain, so I won't, even though I think it may be Debby's best story. But instead I'll mention the first two chapters of Dawning. Revelation with a twist. (Dawning 1 was the first fanfic I ever read; it was available on the web somewhere. It came as a bit of a shock to find out that I couldn't get the next part unless I joined Rhen's fanfic list. I did, and found a whole new world of reading material out there.) After the first two parts, Dawning slows down a bit after part 2 (understatement!) and might not be everyone's cup of tea, but the first two parts should be required reading for all FoLCs. 3. I was trying to avoid nfic, but I have to include Sandy's "Something's Missing." A great story of Lois and Clark trying to revitalize their marriage even with two demanding careers and two active children. Lois and Clark with a house in the suburbs; another nasty, scary villian, and a good dose of reality, in that their marriage had moved from the honeymoon stage to "taking for granted" stage. 4. Rufus's "Thoughts that Bless." I love the secret identity stories, more than the romance stories, and this one is Lois and Clark, post-revelation, discussing all the lies and deceptions. 5. Finally, "The Heir: Return and Healing" by Piper and Peace. That's another nfic, I'm think. But it's a great story, a reasonable ending to the New Krypton Arc, and reminds us that Clark is more human than he lets on, sometimes. Besides, any story that has Dr. Friskin in it can't be all bad. This was harder than I thought. Ask me tomorrow, and you'd probably get a different list. But that's it for tonight. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Genevieve (NightSky@erols.com) ; To find out anything you want to know about Superman (in comics, cartoons, television, or movies, from Bud Collyer to Dean Cain) -- check out THE SUPERMAN HOMEPAGE ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:26:49 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: New Fanfic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BD238E.9F57C6E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BD238E.9F57C6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone :) =20 I wrote a short fanfic in a moment of madness yesterday, and I tried to = send it to the fanfic archive, but it seems to be down. Does anyone = want me to email it to them? It's just a light, fun and goofy = fanfic...it's called "Where Oh Where Do Supes' Clothes Go". And *no*, = it's NOT nfic despite the title! =20 =20 I wasn't sure what the policy was about sending fanfic to the list, and = I didn't want to get anyone mad at me . So I thought I'd just offer = to email it to anyone who's interested. If you'd like a copy, just = email me privately at my email addy listed below. And, of course, I'd = *love* some feedback! =20 =20 Thanks in advance to anyone that's interested. =20 Erin Klingler (aka ELK on IRC) erink@ida.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BD238E.9F57C6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone :)
 
I wrote a short fanfic in a moment = of madness=20 yesterday, and I tried to send it to the fanfic archive, but it seems to = be=20 down.  Does anyone want me to email it to them?  It's just a = light,=20 fun and goofy fanfic...it's called "Where Oh Where Do Supes' = Clothes=20 Go".  And *no*, it's NOT nfic despite the title! = <vbeg> =20
 
I wasn't sure what the policy was = about sending=20 fanfic to the list, and I didn't want to get anyone mad at me = <bg>. =20 So I thought I'd just offer to email it to anyone who's = interested.  If=20 you'd like a copy, just email me privately at my email addy listed = below. =20 And, of course, I'd *love* some feedback! 
 
Thanks in advance to anyone that's=20 interested.
 
Erin Klingler  (aka ELK on=20 IRC)
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BD238E.9F57C6E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:37:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: New Fanfic In-Reply-To: <01bd23c9$4bb69ee0$26ab8dd0@davek> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:26 PM -0700 1/17/98, Erin Klingler wrote: > Hi everyone :) I wrote a short fanfic in a moment of madness >yesterday, and I tried to send it to the fanfic archive, but it seems to >be down. Does anyone want me to email it to them? It's just a light, >fun and goofy fanfic...it's called "Where Oh Where Do Supes' Clothes >Go". And *no*, it's NOT nfic despite the title! I wasn't sure >what the policy was about sending fanfic to the list, and I didn't want >to get anyone mad at me . So I thought I'd just offer to email it to >anyone who's interested. If you'd like a copy, just email me privately >at my email addy listed below. And, of course, I'd *love* some >feedback! Thanks in advance to anyone that's interested. Erin >Klingler (aka ELK on IRC) erink@ida.net Erin, if it's rated PG, send it to the whole list! That's what it's for! :) BTW, how did you try to send it to the Archive? We have been having problems with Ixpres going down, but you can send it to me directly, or even better, to the address. Can't wait to read it, buddy! :) Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:41:36 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: KampmeyerM Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-17 19:51:16 EST, you write: << Kathy (who agrees with Laurie that I HATE THAT! when someone posts 1/2 without having written 2/2. I'm one of those that saves the various parts of a story and reads them once it's completed, just because I go nuts waiting to find out what happened next. ) >> And it also screws up my filing system... (What filing system? Marie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:49:06 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: KampmeyerM Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Titanic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-17 21:10:59 EST, you write: << I wonder if its okay to daydream about my husband? (did anyone see Titanic? After that movie, I was extremely glad to have my best friend sitting beside me) >> Oh Farah! I want to cry everytime I hear Celine Dion sing "My heart still goes on..." It's really quite the way I feel when I see Clark pining after Lois in "Barbarians at the Planet". I remember the first time I saw that ep I wanted to shoot TPTB for keeping me hanging on all summer long. I'm one of those hopeless romantics that needs a whole ton of WAFF's, and it was so bittersweet in that movie. Marie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:14:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: I guess I should be a little more clear (was Re: NFIC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:28 PM 17/01/98 -0500, Farah wrote: >>This is what the list is for. I am glad we have figured out >>what is in/appropriate for this list. >> >>I would encourage to explain what 'nfic' is. I wouldn't >>want some pre-teen going to find out themselves. Thanks for clarifying "the rules":) >>Questions are always welcome and if reading or >>writing nfic is a sin, then .... wow. I guess I should make *myself* more clear I never intended to say that it was a *sin*, just that I, personally don't like it...and, I was under the (mistaken) impression that the list was meant for discussion of fanfic only, excluding nfic. I stand corrected (actually I'm sitting, but that's beside the point) >One should stand up for themselves on the list, but then, >please take it to private email. No one likes to be ganged >up on and I feel that Margaret B. was getting more than >her fair share. Well, I wasn't exactly expecting kudos when I posted...so I managed to survive with my ego intact. There's nothing like having a dissenting opinion to find out who your friends are I'll take Farah's hint and make a filter for any e-mail messages with "nfic" in the subject line. BTW someone posted about web sites...mine is in my sig. Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:00:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Fanfic: Where Oh Where Do Supes' Clothes Go? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01BD2393.61664960" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01BD2393.61664960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kathy said, in reference to my new fanfic: >Erin, if it's rated PG, send it to the whole list! That's what it's = for! :) So, here goes! You may all be sorry though! I'd love some = feedback, both good OR bad, cuz that's the only way I'll become a better = writer. Thanks in advance! ********** Where Oh Where Do Supes=92 Clothes Go? By Erin Klingler (AKA ELK on IRC) erink@ida.net Okay, guys=85don=92t kill me for writing this! I was in a very = weird mood after watching the 1st season ep, "Fly Hard", and after I=92d = finished watching the end when Clark jumps off the top of the DP = building to save a falling Lois, it suddenly dawned on me. Just *what* = does Clark do with his clothes when he changes into Superman?? And I = realized that this has actually been at the back of my mind for quite = some time. Oh=85and I just thought of something else. Where the heck = did he have his costume in that ep?? He was wearing a short-sleeved = T-shirt! Oh well. Maybe I=92ll deal with that in another fanfic. =20 So, have a seat, and don=92t expect this fanfic to be earth shattering. = It was just something I whipped up in like half an hour. I was in front = of my computer and had finished writing this story before I even knew = what I was doing! Hmmm=85maybe that=92s the sign of a very dedicated (or = demented, as the case may be ) LNC fan!=20 The opening dialog and scene was not written by me, but was taken = directly from the 1st season ep, Fly Hard. Anyway, sit back and enjoy. = As always, I=92d love to hear your comments and feedback on this, as = well as *any* of my stories. Enjoy! ********** Lois stared at Superman in amazed adoration as he floated her gently to = the ground. "I knew you=92d come," she told him breathlessly just before = he placed her on the sidewalk outside of the Daily Planet building.=20 They stared into each other=92s eyes for a few moments before they heard = Fuentes screaming as he fell from the scaffolding against the Planet = building. They watched as he came hurtling down toward them exactly as = Lois had only moments before. Superman positioned himself underneath the falling terrorist, and caught = him just before he hit the ground. Lois saw the nuclear device falling = toward her, and she quickly reached out and caught it, both startled and = surprised. Then Superman set Fuentes down and handed him over to the = waiting police.=20 When he turned back to Lois and saw her holding the device, she simply = smiled. "Other women catch bouquets, I catch bombs."=20 "I guess that=92s what makes you so special, Lois," Superman told her. = They smiled at each other for a moment, then he took the device from = her. "Here. I=92ll take care of this." Then, with one final smile, he = flew slowly up into the night=92s sky. ********** Lois watched him go, smiling dreamily after him. He sure was something. = She started to turn around when she heard Perry=92s voice as he came out = of the Planet, but something suddenly caught her eye. There was something dark in the bushes by the corner of the building. = Being the naturally curious person that she was, she decided to go check = it out. She looked around to make sure no one was watching her, then = went to investigate.=20 What she saw in the bushes surprised her. It was a T-shirt exactly like = the one Clark had been wearing! She was sure of it. She picked it up = from where it lay, lifted it to her nose, and breathed deeply. Almost = immediately she recognized the scent of Clark=92s cologne.=20 Yup. The shirt was definitely his. Then she noticed something else. = There was a pair of faded jeans lying a little deeper in the bushes, as = well. Lois assumed that they must be Clark=92s as well.=20 So, the big question was, what in the world were Clark=92s clothes doing = in the bushes outside of the Planet? Somewhere there was a tall, dark, = handsome=85*and naked*=85 man running around Metropolis looking = desperately for his clothes.=20 She laughed out loud, then quickly clamped a hand over her mouth, hoping = nobody had heard her. Then she looked back at the shirt in her hands, = and smiled wickedly. Well, thinking about him running around Metropolis = naked is not an entirely unpleasant thought, she decided.=20 She remembered how incredible he had looked that morning when she went = to pick him up at his place and he had answered the door in only a = towel. Hmmm, she murmured appreciatively. No, it=92s not an unpleasant = thought at all. The sound of more police officers arriving at the scene brought her back = to the present, and she realized how crazy her thoughts were. Clark was = a very modest person. She was sure that he wouldn=92t have just taken = his clothes off and gone streaking into the night. So what other = explanation was there?=20 She looked up and noticed she was standing directly below the = scaffolding that she had fallen from only minutes before. Superman had = caught her, and flown her safely to the ground pretty darned close to = this spot. Suddenly a light went on in her head. Wait a minute! Of course! How could she have been so blind! Clark had = been on the roof of the Planet trying to get to her just before she and = Fuentes had fallen over the edge of the roof. Then they=92d landed on = the scaffolding halfway down the side of the building, and Clark had = watched from the roof as she had tried to wrestle the nuclear device out = of Fuentes=92 hands. Then one of the ropes holding the scaffolding had = broken, and she felt herself falling. But why hadn=92t she noticed Clark jumping over the edge of the building = head first and come zooming down towards her, now suddenly in his = Superman costume?=20 Well, I guess it=92s understandable since I was a little preoccupied at = the time by watching the ground rushing up at me, she thought wryly. But = what about Fuentes? He had been on the scaffolding, too. Hadn=92t he = noticed? Maybe he=92d been too busy watching her fall, or trying not to = fall himself.=20 Lois thought about how Clark would have had to change into his Superman = costume. Maybe he just wore it under his clothes. That would certainly = explain why he always tugged at his tie, as if unloosening it, just = before he rushed off whenever a crisis arose.=20 So, obviously he had to do something with his clothes when he changed. = She ruled out her first thought that he stashed them on his being. Where = would he have kept them? She=92d seen how snugly his costume fit, = showing every tiny, incredible detail of his male form=85. Lois, don=92t go there, she reprimanded herself quickly, but not before = an appreciative smile crossed her face. She forced herself to think. = Maybe he just had to ditch his clothes wherever he decided to change = into the Superman costume. After all=85his clothes had to go somewhere.=20 She chuckled quietly to herself. Judging by the amount of times he = changed into Superman each day, he must have to buy new clothes every = week! There were probably parts of his wardrobe scattered all over the = city! No wonder he never seemed to wear the same clothes (or ties) = twice.=20 Well, that certainly explained a lot about his odd behavior. All those = times when he disappeared whenever there was a crisis, and then = wouldn=92t show up again until after it was all over. And it definitely = explained about what he had said in the Planet when Fuentes had = threatened to blow them up with his nuclear device.=20 She thought back, remembering it clearly because it had seemed so funny = at the time. But now it made perfect sense. He and Lex had been arguing = just after they had been taken hostage about what they should do. Lex = had wanted to try to negotiate instead of just standing around, but = Clark had disagreed.=20 Lex, angry and frustrated, had confronted Clark. "So what do you suggest = we do, Mr. Kent? Just sit here and let them do whatever they want and = wait for them to kill us?"=20 Then Clark had started in about how he didn=92t have a choice, and if he = went out there to try to get to the bomb, they could kill any of them, = and then the bomb could go off before he could stop it, and, well, he = couldn=92t take that risk.=20 Then she and Lex had exchanged an amused look from across the room. Then = she had turned back to Clark, and, with her voice laced with sarcasm, = retorted, "Clark, take it easy! You=92re not Superman!"=20 But he was! Now she really wanted to kick herself. Of course he was = Superman! How could she have been so blind! He=92d been right under her = nose all this time and she had never even realized it.=20 Well, they were going to have to have a long talk. A very long talk. But = first things first. She wanted to make sure Lex was okay.=20 Looking once again at the shirt in her hands, she suddenly was faced = with the dilemma of what to do with his clothes. Well, I=92ll just leave = them here, she thought. Maybe he=92ll be back for them soon. Then, with = a quick look around to make sure her actions wouldn=92t be seen, she = stuffed the clothes back into the bushes and then went back to join Lex = and the others.=20 A few minutes later, as she was sitting on the back of the ambulance = with Lex, she heard Clark come out of the Planet with Jack. He and Jack = talked for a minute, then Jack turned to leave. Lois knew this was her = chance. She stood and sauntered over to Clark.=20 *The resemblance is uncanny*, Lois thought to herself as she neared him, = studying him carefully. I don=92t know why I never noticed it before.=20 When she finally reached him, she smiled smugly at him. "I told you = Superman wouldn=92t let us down." Clark grinned back at her. "I=92m sure he always had his eye on us." Lois laughed a little at that, trying not to give her hand away too = soon. "Just another Saturday night in Metropolis." Clark laughed, too. "Yeah." Lois couldn=92t stand it any longer. "Well, I think I=92m gonna head for = home." "Maybe I should go with you to make sure you get home alright," Clark = suggested, his usual concern for her resurfacing. "Oh, don=92t worry Clark. I=92ll be fine." She paused long enough to = smile at him. "But it looks like you could use somebody to look after = you." Clark looked confused. "What do you mean?" "Well, it appears you=92re mom never taught you how to correctly dress = yourself." It was all Lois could do to keep from laughing out loud as = Clark quickly looked down at his clothing with a very confused = expression on his face, then back up at her.=20 Oh, this is *too* much fun, she thought to herself as she studied the = baffled look on his face. Finally she decided to let him off the hook. = She gave his chest a couple of quick pats and grinned like the cat that = has just caught the mouse.=20 "Your shirt=92s on backwards," she told him, pausing for emphasis. = "Superman."=20 She watched in pleasure as his jaw dropped and his eyes grew wide with = shock. He was totally at a loss for words as she winked conspiratorially = at him and turned to walked back to her boss and co-workers, leaving = Clark staring after her in stunned silence.=20 She turned back to him once more just before she reached the ambulance. = Trying to be discreet, she whispered, knowing full well that he could = hear her just fine. "Call me soon. We=92ll talk." The End (for now )=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01BD2393.61664960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kathy said, in reference to my new fanfic:
 
>Erin, if it's rated PG, send it to the whole list!  That's = what=20 it's for! :)
 
So, here goes!  You may all be sorry though! <bg>  = I'd love=20 some feedback, both good OR bad, cuz that's the only way I'll become a = better=20 writer.  Thanks in advance!
 
**********
 

Where Oh Where Do Supes’ Clothes = Go?

By Erin Klingler (AKA ELK on IRC)

erink@ida.net

Okay, guys…don’t kill me for writing this! <bg> I = was in a=20 very weird mood after watching the 1st season ep, "Fly=20 Hard", and after I’d finished watching the end when Clark = jumps off=20 the top of the DP building to save a falling Lois, it suddenly dawned on = me.=20 Just *what* does Clark do with his clothes when he changes into = Superman?? And I=20 realized that this has actually been at the back of my mind for quite = some time.=20 <g> Oh…and I just thought of something else. Where the heck = did he=20 have his costume in that ep?? He was wearing a short-sleeved T-shirt! Oh = well.=20 Maybe I’ll deal with that in another fanfic. <vbg>

So, have a seat, and don’t expect this fanfic to be earth = shattering.=20 It was just something I whipped up in like half an hour. I was in front = of my=20 computer and had finished writing this story before I even knew what I = was=20 doing! Hmmm…maybe that’s the sign of a very dedicated (or = demented,=20 as the case may be <vbg> ) LNC fan!

The opening dialog and scene was not written by me, but was taken = directly=20 from the 1st season ep, Fly Hard. Anyway, sit back and enjoy. As always, = I’d love to hear your comments and feedback on this, as well as = *any* of=20 my stories. Enjoy!

**********

Lois stared at Superman in amazed adoration as he floated her gently = to the=20 ground. "I knew you’d come," she told him breathlessly = just=20 before he placed her on the sidewalk outside of the Daily Planet = building.

They stared into each other’s eyes for a few moments before = they heard=20 Fuentes screaming as he fell from the scaffolding against the Planet = building.=20 They watched as he came hurtling down toward them exactly as Lois had = only=20 moments before.

Superman positioned himself underneath the falling terrorist, and = caught him=20 just before he hit the ground. Lois saw the nuclear device falling = toward her,=20 and she quickly reached out and caught it, both startled and surprised. = Then=20 Superman set Fuentes down and handed him over to the waiting police. =

When he turned back to Lois and saw her holding the device, she = simply=20 smiled. "Other women catch bouquets, I catch bombs."

"I guess that’s what makes you so special, Lois," = Superman=20 told her. They smiled at each other for a moment, then he took the = device from=20 her. "Here. I’ll take care of this." Then, with one = final smile,=20 he flew slowly up into the night’s sky.

**********

Lois watched him go, smiling dreamily after him. He sure was = something. She=20 started to turn around when she heard Perry’s voice as he came out = of the=20 Planet, but something suddenly caught her eye.

There was something dark in the bushes by the corner of the building. = Being=20 the naturally curious person that she was, she decided to go check it = out. She=20 looked around to make sure no one was watching her, then went to = investigate.=20

What she saw in the bushes surprised her. It was a T-shirt exactly = like the=20 one Clark had been wearing! She was sure of it. She picked it up from = where it=20 lay, lifted it to her nose, and breathed deeply. Almost immediately she=20 recognized the scent of Clark’s cologne.

Yup. The shirt was definitely his. Then she noticed something else. = There was=20 a pair of faded jeans lying a little deeper in the bushes, as well. Lois = assumed=20 that they must be Clark’s as well.

So, the big question was, what in the world were Clark’s = clothes doing=20 in the bushes outside of the Planet? Somewhere there was a tall, dark,=20 handsome…*and naked*… man running around Metropolis = looking=20 desperately for his clothes.

She laughed out loud, then quickly clamped a hand over her mouth, = hoping=20 nobody had heard her. Then she looked back at the shirt in her hands, = and smiled=20 wickedly. Well, thinking about him running around Metropolis naked is = not an=20 entirely unpleasant thought, she decided.

She remembered how incredible he had looked that morning when she = went to=20 pick him up at his place and he had answered the door in only a towel.=20 Hmmm, she murmured appreciatively. No, it’s not an = unpleasant=20 thought at all.

The sound of more police officers arriving at the scene brought her = back to=20 the present, and she realized how crazy her thoughts were. Clark was a = very=20 modest person. She was sure that he wouldn’t have just taken his = clothes=20 off and gone streaking into the night. So what other explanation was = there?

She looked up and noticed she was standing directly below the = scaffolding=20 that she had fallen from only minutes before. Superman had caught her, = and flown=20 her safely to the ground pretty darned close to this spot.

Suddenly a light went on in her head.

Wait a minute! Of course! How could she have been so blind! Clark had = been on=20 the roof of the Planet trying to get to her just before she and Fuentes = had=20 fallen over the edge of the roof. Then they’d landed on the = scaffolding=20 halfway down the side of the building, and Clark had watched from the = roof as=20 she had tried to wrestle the nuclear device out of Fuentes’ hands. = Then=20 one of the ropes holding the scaffolding had broken, and she felt = herself=20 falling.

But why hadn’t she noticed Clark jumping over the edge of the = building=20 head first and come zooming down towards her, now suddenly in his = Superman=20 costume?

Well, I guess it’s understandable since I was a little = preoccupied at=20 the time by watching the ground rushing up at me, she thought wryly. = But=20 what about Fuentes? He had been on the scaffolding, too. Hadn’t he = noticed? Maybe he’d been too busy watching her fall, or trying not = to fall=20 himself.

Lois thought about how Clark would have had to change into his = Superman=20 costume. Maybe he just wore it under his clothes. That would certainly = explain=20 why he always tugged at his tie, as if unloosening it, just before he = rushed off=20 whenever a crisis arose.

So, obviously he had to do something with his clothes when he = changed. She=20 ruled out her first thought that he stashed them on his being. Where = would he=20 have kept them? She’d seen how snugly his costume fit, showing = every tiny,=20 incredible detail of his male form….

Lois, don’t go there, she reprimanded herself quickly, = but not=20 before an appreciative smile crossed her face. She forced herself to = think.=20 Maybe he just had to ditch his clothes wherever he decided to change = into the=20 Superman costume. After all…his clothes had to go somewhere.

She chuckled quietly to herself. Judging by the amount of times he = changed=20 into Superman each day, he must have to buy new clothes every week! = There were=20 probably parts of his wardrobe scattered all over the city! No wonder he = never=20 seemed to wear the same clothes (or ties) twice.

Well, that certainly explained a lot about his odd behavior. All = those times=20 when he disappeared whenever there was a crisis, and then wouldn’t = show up=20 again until after it was all over. And it definitely explained about = what he had=20 said in the Planet when Fuentes had threatened to blow them up with his = nuclear=20 device.

She thought back, remembering it clearly because it had seemed so = funny at=20 the time. But now it made perfect sense. He and Lex had been arguing = just after=20 they had been taken hostage about what they should do. Lex had wanted to = try to=20 negotiate instead of just standing around, but Clark had disagreed.

Lex, angry and frustrated, had confronted Clark. "So what do you = suggest=20 we do, Mr. Kent? Just sit here and let them do whatever they want and = wait for=20 them to kill us?"

Then Clark had started in about how he didn’t have a choice, = and if he=20 went out there to try to get to the bomb, they could kill any of them, = and then=20 the bomb could go off before he could stop it, and, well, he = couldn’t take=20 that risk.

Then she and Lex had exchanged an amused look from across the room. = Then she=20 had turned back to Clark, and, with her voice laced with sarcasm, = retorted,=20 "Clark, take it easy! You’re not Superman!"

But he was! Now she really wanted to kick herself. Of course he was = Superman!=20 How could she have been so blind! He’d been right under her nose = all this=20 time and she had never even realized it.

Well, they were going to have to have a long talk. A very long = talk.=20 But first things first. She wanted to make sure Lex was okay.

Looking once again at the shirt in her hands, she suddenly was faced = with the=20 dilemma of what to do with his clothes. Well, I’ll just leave = them=20 here, she thought. Maybe he’ll be back for them soon. = Then,=20 with a quick look around to make sure her actions wouldn’t be = seen, she=20 stuffed the clothes back into the bushes and then went back to join Lex = and the=20 others.

A few minutes later, as she was sitting on the back of the ambulance = with=20 Lex, she heard Clark come out of the Planet with Jack. He and Jack = talked for a=20 minute, then Jack turned to leave. Lois knew this was her chance. She = stood and=20 sauntered over to Clark.

*The resemblance is uncanny*, Lois thought to herself as she = neared=20 him, studying him carefully. I don’t know why I never noticed = it=20 before.

When she finally reached him, she smiled smugly at him. "I told = you=20 Superman wouldn’t let us down."

Clark grinned back at her. "I’m sure he always had his eye = on=20 us."

Lois laughed a little at that, trying not to give her hand away too = soon.=20 "Just another Saturday night in Metropolis."

Clark laughed, too. "Yeah."

Lois couldn’t stand it any longer. "Well, I think = I’m gonna=20 head for home."

"Maybe I should go with you to make sure you get home = alright,"=20 Clark suggested, his usual concern for her resurfacing.

"Oh, don’t worry Clark. I’ll be fine." She = paused long=20 enough to smile at him. "But it looks like you could use somebody = to look=20 after you."

Clark looked confused. "What do you mean?"

"Well, it appears you’re mom never taught you how to = correctly=20 dress yourself." It was all Lois could do to keep from laughing out = loud as=20 Clark quickly looked down at his clothing with a very confused = expression on his=20 face, then back up at her.

Oh, this is *too* much fun, she thought to herself as she = studied the=20 baffled look on his face. Finally she decided to let him off the hook. = She gave=20 his chest a couple of quick pats and grinned like the cat that has just = caught=20 the mouse.

"Your shirt’s on backwards," she told him, pausing = for=20 emphasis. "Superman."

She watched in pleasure as his jaw dropped and his eyes grew wide = with shock.=20 He was totally at a loss for words as she winked conspiratorially at him = and=20 turned to walked back to her boss and co-workers, leaving Clark staring = after=20 her in stunned silence.

She turned back to him once more just before she reached the = ambulance.=20 Trying to be discreet, she whispered, knowing full well that he could = hear her=20 just fine. "Call me soon. We’ll talk."

 

The End (for now <bg>)

 
 

 
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01BD2393.61664960-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:11:17 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Titanic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-18 00:05:08 EST, you write: << It's really quite the way I feel when I see Clark pining after Lois in "Barbarians at the Planet". I remember the first time I saw that ep I wanted to shoot TPTB for keeping me hanging on all summer long. I'm one of those hopeless romantics that needs a whole ton of WAFF's, and it was so bittersweet in that movie. >> When I heard the song the first time I could just SEE Clark flying away in Big Girls Don't Fly. Wierd how you just can't get L&C out of your head once they're there. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:22:12 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: Lois and Clark site contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well guys, I got the o.k. from a few of you so I want to begin. Send me = your sites url's (personal mail Gardners@htc.net )and I will compile a = list to send to the list. (ha, play on words) then you can vote if you = want to. Well, if anybody's really against this let me know, otherwise = let the contest begin. =20 Brad P.S. I created a new page called Brad's World off the boring Gardner = Family Web Directory and it still has my other sites on it. Please visit = and let me know what you think.=20 ------------------------------------------ Brad Gardner Gardners@htc.net=20 Visit the Gardner family web directory at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html=20 ------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:49:40 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debra M Berg Subject: Re: Categorizing Fan fiction & my Five Favorites Okay, this thread is really interested me. I have delurked twice in 2 days! I must be feverish! I will make my statements and then resume my place in the shadows. On Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:19:09 -0500 Genevieve writes: For saving of space, snip all the *great* comments Genevieve wrote. I will have to heartily agree with all her comments, and well said to boot! And yes, I did read the *entire* post . I would like to add my 5 Favorite Fanfics (and these are in NO order. I don't think that I could rank them). Let me also add that I consider a *favorite* story one that I can read over and over again, and *do* read over and over again: Chris Mulder's "Love Beyond All Measure" and "Dimensions of Loving". Actually, I would consider these 2 stories since most of the action occurs in the first story and all the revelation and relationship development occurs in the sequel. But I love these stories because they have in them all that I like in *any* story; character conflict, both internal and external, action, believable villains, some mystery, romance, and (of course) a happy ending ; ). Debby Stark's "Dawning" series. Okay, I have just exceeded my list of 5! But that's because Debby is up to what *19* episodes? Again, because it has all the elements listed above. And Debby continues to add to the villains and action. I like her characters perhaps the best of all the stories. She has borrowed only the basic elements of the characters and given them her own interpretation of how they would act. Debby Stark's and Margaret Brignell's "Swap Meet" stories. Again, there are 2 stories here but there needed to be. And, I guess out of all the stories I like, these two probably have the least amount of romance in them, but they work for me. I really liked the story idea. And seeing what happens in *both* universes was creative ingenuity! Again, I think we are all finding that taste is different among the FoLCs. Kathy Brown's "Winners". I just cannot include some of the nfic. Although some of the nfic has PG versions, this is one that would loose the *entire* idea if the sex was not there. But there is a tremendous amount of self awareness of character that occurs. There is NO villain. Just wonderful romance. But Kathy has a way of telling the story that is vivid for me. Anyone who has been in a relationship or is in a relationship can remember the warm feelings of newness and awe of the relationship. Kathy does an excellent job of capturing this for me. Demi's "Heaven's Prisoner". Either one, PG or nfic. I loved this story because it deals with faults of the characters and the full circle of realization of the faults. And, after tissueing (if that's a word) through the first 3/4 of the story, it was wonderful to have a happy ending. Again, there is a villain in this story, but you have to hunt for it because it is within Clark. And just one more....... Gorn's "A Consummate Revelation". And, yes, this is another nfic. I really liked this story because Gorn captures the independent and aggressive Lois of first season. There really isn't a villain in this. But there is plenty of action. I also like any story that has a great revelation to it. Well, that's my idea of what the top stories are. Guess I couldn't really limit it to just 5. /I now return to lurkdom/ Debbie Berg abbra15@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:09:19 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: Story Recommendations - five favorites In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980117112911.006bf8bc@hop-uky.campus.mci.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, I like this idea, even though I usually have trouble limiting it to = five 1. CyberLink, by Zoomway - Lois and Clark find love in the chatroom. Actually, I like all of Zoomie's stories, but this is my absolute = favorite. 2. The Heir: Return, by Piper - A resolution to the New Krypton arc. = I have a lot of reasons for liking this story -- I was in tears thro= ugh most of it, and stories that move me to tears always rate high. I wrote = to Piper, and we became friends, discovering that we live less than two hours drive apart, and have since worked together writing a sequel = to Return, entitled Healing. 3. SwapMeet..., by Debby Stark & Margaret Brignell - A rift opens in the time-space continuum, causing Lois and Clark to trade places wit= h a pair of actors named Teri and Dean. Okay, I'll confess, I'm biase= d: I was one of the editors on this pair of stories, but I find the con= cept fascinating, and found this take on it the best I've read (and I've = read several.) 4. The Flash, by Ben Pistorius - Superman is exiled, and there's a new hero in town. I confess that most of the stories I read are by wome= n, at least here in the world of L&C fanfic, probably because the actio= n stories don't appeal to me as much, but I thoroughly enjoyed this = one. 5. The Dayz Series, by Menolly - Nfic - Lois reminisces over an ice cream menu. Menolly has a wonderful way with words -- these stories are delightful! More? Vixen's Pas de Deux and Menage 'a Trois Sandy McDermin's hilarious Love As a Blonde Lori McE's Clark's Fantasy series (Nfic) ?'s Trix Margaret Brignell's The Rules, The Long Road, and The One Molly Herwood's A Family Secret (Nfic) Carla Humbert's Quick Change See I told you I couldn't keep it to just five. Peace A FoLC Named Peace is settling into a new home! Come visit me at my new place - There's actually stuff there now -- well,= stories, anyway... ;) http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/7137 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:04:49 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: Story Recommendations - five favorites In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I must confess to some disappointment that so many people have listed the Swap Meet story as favourites, yet my "...the Chicken or the Egg" doesn't rate a single mention (so far... I still have hopes). Maybe I'm premenstrual or feeling particularly childish, but anyway... that's my protest for now. As for my five favourite stories (other than that one )in no particular order: Jenn Farwell's ones whose names I can't recall for the life of me... Dust on the wind? or something? really got to me emotionally. many of Zoom's stories - Counter Clarkwise and the Cyber one (with Rapunzel and Farmboy) come to mind also her Always Something There to Remind Me gets an honourable mention Peace's Survive Gorn's Consummate Revelation (though it's Nfic, it really is a great story!) Aliens and Strangers by Susan Stone Beverley's Sanctuary Chris Mulder's Dimensions of Loving Margaret Brignell's The Rules Oops! that's way over 5, isn't it. Well, despite that, I have to mention the Swap Meet stories, and not only because it was interesting to see what other people had done with "my" idea. Whose idea was it to limit this to FIVE favourites anyway? -- Jenny Stosser -*- jenerate@ozramp.net.au -*- (Jenerator or MoiAussie on IRC) This message is umop ap!sdn -*- David is 5 and Megan is 2! Photos on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:47:51 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: AMCiotola Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations - five favorites Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My top five? /me wonders if I can narrow it down??? 1. Meet me in Kansas City - Chirs Mulder 2. Love Beyond All Measures & Deminsions of Loving - Chris Mulders I count this in one b/c I can't read one without the other 3. Going, Going, Gone - The Gorn (nfic) 4. Camping With Clark - Kathy Brown (nfic) 5. Always Something There to Remind Me - Zoomway You want Honorable Mentions ----> anything else by the above authors and those from Demi, Peace & Piper, Debby Stark, Sheila Harper, Mackteach, ect... However there is sooo much out there and I enjoy it all, so I say to the authors of the 711+ in the archive and to the many more that I have search for and found (must be over 1000 stories stored on my zip disks) Keep on wiriting! Anne :) (who someday may get the nerve to try it again ) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:00:13 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: RE Thou shalt read NFIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:17 PM 1/17/98 -0500, Margaret B wrote: >[snip] I do *not* belong to any of the "official" >distribution lists, never have (Debby tells me I'm her *last* >hold-out) She might well be eventually... the Nlist had about 8 new people sign up in the last 4 days or so since we started talking about this :) Debby Debby@swcp.com sans an opinion about Nfic at the moment since I'm so, um, intimately involved with it... Actually, *I* may be the last hold out when it comes to writing any nfic :) see some of my roadblocks at my site: cats.jpg at ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark right there at the front :) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:00:00 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 2/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ONE SECOND INTO THE FUTURE, METROPOLIS, NEW TROY, USA, EARTH . . . She sat alone in the cavernous room and that was just the way she wanted it. Tonight, at least. It was unusual for the City Room of the Daily Planet to be almost totally empty of workers and the frantic activity that characterized the place, but it did happen at odd times of the day and night. Of course, to be there when it happened one normally either had to be a member of the janitorial staff or overly dedicated to the job. She wasn't a janitor. She was a reporter and not just any reporter. She was quite possibly the best investigative reporter currently working in the newspaper business. Tenacious, stubborn, determined, and instinctively brilliant when it came to sniffing out crime and the humans responsible, she'd earned the grudging respect of her peers through the simple expedient of not knowing what it meant to quit. Which partially explained her presence in the newsroom at almost midnight on a Saturday night finishing up an expose concerning the dirty dealings going on between a local politician and a known crime boss when she could've been somewhere else. Anywhere else. The story she was putting the finishing touches on had taken weeks of dogged investigation on her part, some undercover and some the 'in-their-face' journalism she was known for. And it had taken every ounce of tenacity she possessed to confirm the hidden link between State Senator Millicent Wood, well-known champion of the moral right who thought sex WAS a four-letter word, and Karen 'Kitten' Brown, the most ruthless crime 'lord' to hit Metropolis in years, a true man-eating tiger in the disguise of lady. At first, even her editor hadn't believed her gut-level hunch that the pair were partners-in- crime, but she'd found the evidence. Not to mention, almost gotten killed in the process. So, she was quite proud, and deservedly so, of the resulting headline grabbing, front-page screaming article and knew her editor would be doubly pleased, as well. It was a job well-done. Pride in her work, however, didn't explain why she was quietly crying as she typed. Perry White, Editor-in-Chief of the Daily Planet, was furious. He frowned at the papers in his hand before bellowing across the newsroom. "LANE! My office! NOW!" His displeasure wasn't at all appeased when Lois Lane didn't immediately trot over to meet him at the office door. The very fact that the petite brunette intentionally took her time strolling in his direction told him his gut instinct was right on the money. She already knew what he was getting ready to explode over. Well, naturally. The woman wasn't the best damn reporter he'd ever seen for no reason. She did know exactly what journalistic crime she'd committed. Apparently intentionally. Of course, he also wasn't the top editor of the greatest newspaper in the world for nothing, either. Abruptly, he changed tactics. Instead of exploding, he took a deep calming breath and smiled as she entered his office then motioned for her to sit down as he closed the door. He almost had to swallow a chuckle as her eyes narrowed while she perched cautiously on the edge the chair in front of his desk. Taking his time, Perry moved around his desk to face her. "Great expose on Senator Wood, Lois. You nailed her and took a large bite out of Kitten Brown's organization at the same time." Lois smiled, while still looking highly suspicious of his sudden mood change. "Once I found out about the investment firm's involvement in her campaign last year, the rest was easy. And the chain of evidence lead right to good ole Kitten's back door." White sat down and grinned. "Maybe easy for you, but most reporter's wouldn't have realized there was story hidden in there in the first place. Good job." He glanced down then tapped the papers now on the desk between them. "And the write-up you gave it. Powerful. When the voters read this, she'll be lucky to get elected dogcatcher next year. That is, if she stays out of prison that long." "Well, you know what they say--" "However, I was wondering what the hell this was." Lois blinked at the sudden switch, then frowned as she watched him pull another paper out from under the article on the Senator. "What?" Perry waited until she shifted back into the chair in an attempt to appear unconcerned then shook his head and forefinger at her. "Don't play innocent with me, Lois Lane. We've had this discussion too many times in the past for me to buy your act now." "Seriously, I have no idea--" "Okay, I'll play along. Explain to me this little piece on the automobile accident." "Oh, that." Lois shrugged nonchalantly. "Happened right in front of my apartment building, practically in front of my eyes. A teenager accidentally runs in front of a car and dies before the paramedics can arrive. It was an accident. The family is grieving. The driver is in a state of shock. The boy is dead. End of story. Nothing new. Back page stuff. What's to explain?" Slightly surprised that he hadn't already picked up on the significance of the accident's location, Perry leaned back in his chair and studied her face silently, trying to hear what she wasn't saying. It occurred to him she wasn't nearly as nervous as he'd thought. Controlled was more like it. Tightly controlled. Almost rigidly controlled and determined not to let anything show emotionally. He scanned the copy again, gathering his thoughts, then picked up the other article and held them both up side-by-side. In one hand, he was holding a first-class piece of investigative journalism. The esteemed politician's crimes were all laid out in concise clear unmistakable terms, yet pulsing underneath the words was the passion of the reporter writing them. The outrage she shared with every other citizen over a public official letting them down. The determination to do whatever it took to change the situation and not let it happen again. Or if it did, find out about it. His gaze shifted to the shorter piece. Again, all the facts were there. Names, addresses, comments from the paramedics at the scene, medical reports. All of it. Cut and dried. Everything was included that any good reporter would include. Any rookie reporter, that is. And that was the problem in a nutshell. Lois Lane wasn't just a good reporter and she sure as hell wasn't a rookie. She was a great reporter. Or at least, she could be when she let herself. Suspecting in his heart there was more to the story than she was telling didn't make his job any easier, however. Still, they had a paper to put out and he had to give that priority. "Lois, I don't care if this piece is destined for the bottom of a bird cage. It could be better. Rewrite it." His eyes met hers. "You know what I want. Now do it." "Yes, sir." Lois took the copy from his hand and turned to leave without argument. At the door, she stopped and spoke softly without turning around. "Chief?" "Yeah?" "Have you ever held someone in your arms as you watched the life fade out of their eyes and known there was absolutely nothing you could do about it?" Before his brain could form a response to that startling question, she was out the door, heading towards her desk with quick steps. Perry White sat in silence for a long moment, then banged a fist on the desktop as he hissed to no one in particular. "Well, hell." Two weeks later, Lois had all but forgotten the exchange with Perry, if not the cause of it, when she barreled into his office to ask for permission to look into possible sabotage on the space shuttle, Messenger. Since she rarely asked for permission in the first place, at least, for prior permission, before barrelling headlong into trouble, she mistakenly assumed she was being a dutiful reporter. Or better than she normally was, at any rate. It also never occurred to her that Perry wouldn't give her his complete and undivided attention, either. "LOIS! Can't you see I'm in the middle of something here? "Oh--" Perry sighed and motioned to the man standing in front of the desk. "Lois Lane. Clark Kent." "Nice to meet you." Lois blinked back at the stranger she hadn't even noticed was there for at least a second before her brain returned to more important issues. "Anyway, he worked on the Messenger--" "Wait! Wait! Wait a minute. What happened to that mood piece I gave you about the razing of that old theater on Forty-Second Street?" Perry's ranting didn't faze her. She was, after all, used to it. "I wasn't in the mood." "You weren't in the mood! Now look, Lois, you can't come in here and tell me you're not in the . . . " Noticing Jimmy Olsen waving frantically, Lois spun on her heel. "Oh, I got to go, I'll catch you later." Within minutes, she had forgotten all about that incident also, at least until the next day when the stranger reappeared with a report on the razing of the theater on Forty-Second Street. "Beatrice was eighteen when she made her debut. Warren G. Harding was President, the unknown soldier was interred at Arlington, and Babe Ruth was sold to the Yankees. She came to say good-bye, as we all must, to the past and to a life and a place that soon would exist only in a bittersweet memory." Lois stared into space in a daze as she listened to the copy Perry was reading, torn between irritation that the man had stolen her story, never mind that it was one she hadn't wanted in the first place, and awe at the smoothest copy she'd ever heard. "Smooth." Jimmy's heartfelt echo of her own thoughts snapped her back to attention. And reality. "Ummm . . . yeah, if you like that sort of thing." "You know, Kent, there's only one attribute I value more than experience and that's initiative. Clark Kent, welcome to the Daily Planet." Before Lois could decide her opinion of that turn of events, her attention was again pulled away from the stranger, make that new co-worker, by an announcement on the television of the explosion of the Messenger, confirming her earlier suspicions. Time to go to work. Two days later, with uncovering the saboteurs of the Messenger behind her, Lois Lane was ready for another, even bigger, challenge. Being the only journalist covering the historic completion of Space Station Prometheus. First hand. From space. This time she didn't ask for permission. Mainly because she'd already been told no. As she waited in line, in disguise, to board the transport vehicle with the other colonists, she had a chance to reflect on her latest triumph. Shared triumph, that is, because she had to give the newcomer, Clark Kent, a lot of credit. She'd had ample opportunity to be reminded of his existence during the investigation, because Perry had given him to her as assistant. Well, it wasn't so much a gift as a peace offering. One designed to give Perry peace, not her. One she wasn't sure she was happy about, even now that she didn't have to work with him any longer. Still, for a rookie, Kent was constantly managing to surprise her. Like his reaction to Samuel Platt's murder. Clark had gotten downright irate with that policeman over his joking comments making light of the man's death. The man had heart, one had to give him that. She just hoped he didn't get it shredded here in Metropolis. And then there was his reaction to Mrs. Platt's earnest plea that they not let his daughter, Amy, grow up thinking her father had committed suicide. In fact, when she thought about it, Clark had been very passionate throughout the investigation about Platt's obvious good intentions in trying to help mankind and his own daughter's unfortunate disability by making the station a reality. Lois still thought Kent was naive about human nature, but his constant reminders about the good which could come from the space station's research were part of the reasons she'd become determined to be on board when it was completed. After covering so much corruption, greed, death and destruction the last few years, it would be fantastic to be on hand when something so phenomenally positive and good was accomplished. Not to mention, the great story it would make. Nobody was more surprised than she that the story she got was even bigger than she'd ever been able to imagine in her wildest dreams and finding the bomb wired into the transport vehicle was only the beginning of the incredible experience. Things only became utterly unreal when HE walked in. "Hey, get away from that. What kind of a lunatic are you? That's a bomb. And--" Before her amazed eyes, he calmly popped the bomb into his mouth and swallowed the explosion. Or what she assumed was the explosion because he then burped. And apologized. "Excuse me." A lunatic with manners, obviously. Lois gaped and gasped at the same time. "What the hell are you?" "There was a bomb. He . . . he . . . he . . . ate it." Listening to herself when she attempted to tell the colonists what had happened was almost as unbelievable as seeing it happen in person. Still for some reason, she felt compelled to make the explanations. She sure as heck wasn't leaving until . . . "Hi." His soft greeting snapped her head around and she began staring again. Speech was beyond her. In fact, most of the adults appeared spellbound by his appearance, in more ways than one. Only Amy Platt seemed capable of carrying on a coherent conversation while the rest of them stood there in shock. "Hi, I like your costume." "Thank you. My mother made it for me. What's your name?" "Amy . . . Amy Platt. Who are you?" "I'm . . . a friend." "Can you teach me how to fly?" "Not fly, but once this lab is operational, walk. That's very possible." *ATTENTION COLONISTS, THE MISSION HAS BEEN SCRUBBED. PREPARE TO DISEMBARK.* The collective groans by the assembled colonists at the announcement of the loudspeaker were followed by the commander's shaking his head. "That's it then. It's all over." Lois snapped out of her daze enough to question. "Why?" Mrs. Platt explained. "Once the thrusters have been fired, they have to be replaced." The commander continued. "We lose our launch window. We'll have to forget about Space Station Prometheus." Lois swallowed hard as she stared helplessly at Mrs. Platt and Amy. All their dreams and hopes ruined forever. It wasn't fair. Not now. "No . . . you don't. There's nothing wrong with this transport vehicle or the station. You only need to get there." Her attention centered on the stranger again, Lois breathed in and out softly, trying not to let the small seed of hope she suddenly felt show in her face and voice. "How are they supposed to do that?" "Easy. I'll give'em a boost." "What he can't do, it doesn't matter. It's the idea of Superman. Someone to believe in. Someone to build a few hopes around. Whatever he can do, that's enough." -from NEVERENDING BATTLE --coming in one week: SECRETS [well, hopefully then ] ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:06:05 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations - five favorites Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-18 05:03:38 EST, you write: << Whose idea was it to limit this to FIVE favourites anyway? >> 5 was a general idea!! Keep them coming! I love this. I have already been led to 6 storis that I had not yet found, and they were great. I am keeping a list, I will post in a couple of days, when the number of posts slows. I am also keeping track of repeats (not that it is a contest, we all win with this) so that stories mentioned several times ... Chris Mulder's are up to 8! ... will be at the top of the list. Thanks for all your input! Keep them coming!!! Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:07:27 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: Re: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 In-Reply-To: <8aa5315e.34c14f4a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:39 PM 1/17/98 EST, Larus2407 wrote: >Bev, have you gone and sent us a story that you haven't yet finished part 2/2 >of? :P I HATE that! You know I hate that! C'mon gal, you're supposed to be >getting some storms down your way, so find someplace cozy and WRITE!!!! Storms? What storms. We currently have sunshine. Okay, it's only about forty and at times spitting snow, but still . . . Alright now, Laurie, let me reassure you, I have no intention of sending out an unfinished story. [Although, the temptation to just send a part to you is getting extremely powerful, hehehe . . . however, I value my life too much to ever do that. ] Each season installment of this will be a finished story and hopefully stand very well on it's on. I just haven't completed the entire overall monster and that's part of the point of beginning to send this out. What I am doing is attempting to give myself more motivation to finish this and get rid of it, or at least work on it by sending an installment out each week or so. I do have all the way through season three written, [and quite a lot of season four if I count the original SANCTUARY which I'm editing down to PG] and am currently doing final editing on one and two. I thought it would be better to send a part each day and not over-run mailboxes, but I promise not to leave you hanging any more than necessary because I know what that does to your nerves. Not to mention mine when I feel the repercussions. So if I have to break in the middle of a scene, I'll at least send all of a scene on the same day. Am I out of the doghouse yet, or do I need to grovel some more? Beverly :-) ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:23:18 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Larus2407 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: New fanfic: NEBS: HOPE [The Pilot] - 1/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-18 11:09:53 EST, you write: << What I am doing is attempting to give myself more motivation to finish this >> Well, if it's motivation you want, you've come to the right place... ;) It's just when I see "1/2" and no "2/2" in my mailbox, I get antsy. I want all the promised pieces at once--even if the story/universe continues later at another season or in a few weeks. You can certainly burden us with more than one message at a time--many stories sent to this list have been several parts--up to what, 11? Not to worry, Bev, I know you work best under pressure from fans . And if you're not getting enough storms to keep you in and writing, you can have some of the snow that is finally falling here this morning... Oh, and I bet Margaret would love to send you some ice from up north. Who else will offer? Kathy? --L (just in case you are all wondering, Bev and I are friends) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:01:39 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Story Recommendations - five favorites In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is a great idea :) A few of my favorites are: (excluding any Nfic and in no particular order ;) I apologise for any repeats. 1. Meet Me In Kansas City (Chris Mulder) 2. Oh, What a Wicked Wed We Weave (Jennifer [Jiji] Baker) 3. You Made Me Love You (Zoomway) (also) <> 12:01 <> Cyberlink 4. Clark.. Who? (Margaret Brignell) 5. A Shot In The Dark (Sheila Harper) (either version ;) 6. Camping With Clark (Kathy Brown) (also) <> Winners (Nfic) 7. Hark (Angela Walthall) (either version ;) Take Care All :) Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:20:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: Re: Romance Novels vs. nfic: a combo post Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:29 PM 1/16/98 -0600, you wrote: >And I agree with this! I know on some of the other fanfic sites of other >shows, there is >fair warning about the content of the story. Perhaps the same could be >done with the >fanfic. Remember the SPOILER warnings with the new episodes? How about >using >a format similar to that? Yes, but instead of putting ADULT in the subject line (which can be alarming to most parents to say the least). How about putting nfic in the subject line. This is *not* a liscense to post nfic stories. They are still not allowed, but in case someone wants to recomend nfic stories, place(example): nfic: 5 great stories this way, anyone who doesn't care to see any nfic postings can filter them. I think recommending stories is great, but I was wondering if it would be too 'nitpicky' if we could seperate the nfic from other fics? My favorite stories are : 1) Any of Debby's Dawnings, specifically 1 and 2 2) Zoomway's Counter Clarkwise 3) *Anything* posted on this list I know I am forgetting a few. I was working on one really cool one about time travel, but Sean decided the computer needed a fresh install. So that story is out the window -- it was based on a dream I had. It was very poorly written as well. Anyone that can crank out a story and post it has all of my respect. farah :) fchisham@indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:00:00 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Beverly Latham Subject: 1/18/98 WEEKLY UPDATE - KATHY'S CHALLENGE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" KATHY'S CHALLENGE SUMMARY [as of this posting & working backwards] #. trivia clue = fanfic title [author] submitted by : correct responses *all responses listed as recieved, right or wrong NOTE: Items labeled with I# are inquiries about fanfics someone is trying to find, not where they already know the titles NOTE: An inquiry or a challenge won't be counted as solved unless the *original* submitter confirms the answer, just to be fair and accurate. NOTE: Unless otherwise noted as *nfic* [distributed by Debby's nfanfiction list] OR *private* [distributed privately by author], all fanfics discussed are available at the LOIS & CLARK FANFICTION ARCHIVE at: *****STILL TO BE SOLVED OR CONFIRMED***** Just ignore the next two lines, they're simply to save my sanity. Next new challenge will be #25 Next new inquiry will be #I 8 INQUIRIES: I 7. list all the cars that have been mentioned in various stories = ? Peace Everett : I 6. Lois and Clark had to move to the Arctic Circle because for some reason they could no longer lead a normal life in Metropolis = ? Alyssa : I 4. Clark gives Lois a Superman bra = ? Beppo : *Joan - COMFORTABLE AS AN OLD SHOE *Loir - COMFORTABLE AS AN OLD SHOE [Lara E. Taylor (Chyronguru@aol.com)] I 3. Lois & Clark go film a commercial for the DP = ? Beppo : *Joan - TOP BANANA [?] *Pat - TOP BANANA [?] I 1. Superman teddy for Lois made by Martha = ? Pat : I S. All stories which refer to teddies = ? Peace Everett : CHALLENGES: 20. Lois tells Lucy that Clark is Superman = ? Peace : 17. "Excel with X-El" + "'Who ever said I was nice?' Clark teased." = ? Peace : Michelle : JIMMY X [?] *****EVERYTHING PAST THIS POINT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED SOLVED***** INQUIRIES: I 5. an undercover Clark purchasing a kidnapped Lois in an auction = BLACKMAIL [?] Tracy : Bec *Bec - BLACKMAIL [?] I 2. Lois & Clark shooting a music video = MAY THE BEST SUPERMAN WIN [Kendra Prince] Nethra : Joan, Bec, Patricia *Joan - MAY THE BEST SUPERMAN WIN [Kendra Prince] *Bec - MAY THE BEST SUPERMAN WIN [Kendra Prince] *Patricia - MAY THE BEST SUPERMAN WIN [?] CHALLENGES: 24. Clark "mortgages his underwear" for a small red Lotus = HEAVEN'S PRISONERS [Demi] Anne : Patricia, Chris Patricia - HEAVEN'S PRISONERS [Demi] Chris - HEAVEN'S PRISONERS [?] 23. Lois sing songs from the "The Sound of Music" in the shower = TRIAL AND ERROR [Kim Gammello] LoriMcE : Bec *Bec - TRIAL AND ERROR [Kim Gammello] 22. "I'm going to start calling him Brenda if you don't start working." = QUICK CHANGE [Carla Humbert] Pam : Linda *Linda - QUICK CHANGE [Carla Humbert] 21. Clark buys daisies and a rose, all for Lois + cheese and a Lincoln Town Car = MERRY-GO-ROUND [Peace] Peace : Sheila Sheila - MERRY-GO-ROUND [Peace] 19. Since this fine review [of TOMORROW NEVER DIES] was written by the critic for the Kansas City Star, which fanfic featured Clark as editor of this paper = MEET ME IN KANSAS CITY [?] Pat : Mandi, Joan *Mandi - MEET ME IN KANSAS CITY [?] *Joan - MEET ME IN KANSAS CITY [?] 18. "Hey, *nice*," he said; this bland statement bore no resemblance to his internal reaction, which began with *Wow!* and moved on into near-incoherence. = BEEFCAKE [Phil Atcliffe] Peace : Bec *Bec - BEEFCAKE [Phil Atcliffe] 16. Sam figures out Clark is Superman ... and orders him away from his daughter! = THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS [Kathy Bell] Kathy : Bec *Bec - THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS [Kathy Bell] 15. Clark works the kissing booth = MISSING YOU [Kaytee Shultz] Kathy : Bec *Bec - MISSING YOU [Kaytee Shultz] 14. Chocolate Milk, a three year old who doesn't speak English, and a woman who can't have children... A FREAK ACCIDENT [?] Adrienne : Joan *Joan - A FREAK ACCIDENT [?] 13. Claude comes back ... and Lois goes out with him! = MENAGE A TROIS [Vixen] Kathy : PJ, Bec *PJ - MENAGE A TROIS [Vixen] *Bec - MENAGE A TROIS [Vixen] *Crystal - MENAGE A TROIS [Vixin] 12. Clark goes undercover as a male stripper (and no, it's not an nfic ) = GYPSY CLARKIE [Marta Olson] Kathy : Joan, Bec *Joan - GYPSY CLARKIE [Marta Olson] *Bec - GYPSY CLARKIE [Marta Olson] 11. Lois and Clark play truth or dare = TO TELL THE TRUTH [Gail Lefkowitz] *lost & gone* Kathy : PJ *PJ - TRUTH OR DARE? [?] [but she described the plot!] 10. "Oh, what a night! ... Late December back in '63 ..." = BAND [Bhavani Rao] Kathy : Bec *Bec - BAND [Bhavani Rao] 9. Random drug testing at the Planet = OOPS [Jenny Riecken] Peace : Kathy *Mandi - LITTLE BIRD [Debby Stark] *Kathy - LITTLE BIRD [Debby Stark] *Kathy - OOPS [?] 8. "Superman is probably straighter than God, actually," Jimmy informed them. "He sure hasn't hesitated to kiss you plenty of times, Lois--Superman, I mean, not God--" = DAWNING, D11 [Debby Stark] Kathy : Alyssa M, Peace *Alyssa - DAWNING #? [Debby Stark] *Peace - DAWNING #? [Debby Stark] 7. Lois: "Don't fall ON me, Farmboy." = STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [Lori Gorschboth] Becky : Mandi, Kathy *Mandi - STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [Lori Gorschboth] *Kathy - STRANGE BEDFELLOWS [Lori Gorschboth] 6. Lois' four food groups: "phone, fax, e-mail and delivered" = CULINARY DELIGHTS [?] Becky : Pam *Pam Jernigan - CULINARY DELIGHTS [?] 5. "The Hero" = HEIR: RETURN [Piper] Peace : Becky *Becky - THE HEIR [?] 4. Rapunzel = CYBERLINK [Zoomway] Peace : KathyB, PJ *Kathy - CYBERLINK [Zoomway] *PJ - CYBERLINK [Zoom] 3. rollerblades *and* Lois has a very strange nightmare = ALIEN NATION? [LadeeV] Beverly : Joan *Crystal - GELLATO WITH A TWIST [?] *Mandi - OUT OF CONTROL [Gina Blank] *Kathy - OUT OF CONTROL [Gina Blank] *Joan - ALIEN NATION? [?] 2. horsechestnut shower gel = SAN FRANCISCO SWEETIES [Dom] *nfic* Beverly : Mandi *Laurie - THE NUTMEG ROOM [MizMollee] *nfic* *Mandi - WHISKEY GALORE [Dom] *nfic* *Mandi - SAN FRANCISCO SWEETIES [Dom] *nfic* *Ann - one of the NUTMEGs [MizMollee] *nfic* 1. Linda King & . . . Brad Pitt *and* RSVPs for wedding invitations = YOU DIDN'T NOTICE [Kyla Gurganus] Beverly : Michelle, Kathy *Michelle - YOU DIDN'T NOTICE [?] *Kathy - YOU DIDN't NOTICE [Kyla Gurganus] S. Superman teddy = LOIS' REVENGE [B.B. Medos] Beverly : Peace, KathyB *Peace - LOIS' REVENGE [?] *Kathy - LOIS'REVENGE/CLARK'S RESPONSE [?] ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ******************************* Beverly Latham blatham@hop-uky.campus.mci.net ******************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:04:29 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: ACdrift Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All, I'm going to recommend authors for my five favorites rather than particular stories. Many Super authors have been mentioned already: Demi, Gorn, Chris Muldar, Debby Stark, Kathy Brown, BB Medos ( "In the Beginning" and "Lois' Revenge" haven't been cited), Margaret Brignell ("The Day Superman Died"), and Zoomway. Other great stories include: Jennifer Jeagan's "It Happened All Summer" and Desperately Seeking Lois" Evelyn4CK's "Matter of the Heart" KMcstr's "The Long Road" Jeff Brogden's "Kansas Vacation" Lots of Leigh4CK's stuff like "Reminiscing" and "Clarkie" Oh boy, this is hard. I'm over the limit....... I know when I joined the list a couple of years ago, whenever I wrote to the authors to thank them for sharing their wonderful accomplishments, I would ask them for their recomendations for stories. That way I got ideas from the writers whose work I already enjoyed reading. I think think this discussion is great for new comers to the FoLC bunch. Thanks, Anne (ACdrift@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:26:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Michelle Glenn Subject: Five Favorite Fanfics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's so hard to just choose five, but I'll try. 1. Heaven's Prisoners (I've onlyread the PG version, so I can't comment on the NFIC version.) 2. When You Needed Me Most by Erin Klingler 3. Band- I think it's by Bhavani Rao or something to that effect. :> I'm horrible with remembering who wrote what. 4. Camping With Clark 5. Home Is Where The Heart Is Part II Michelle (who will remember 20 more titles of fanfics that qualify as her favorites as soon as she sends this message. ) "I've got to go do that thing that I have to do in that place that I'll be back from in just a minute."--Clark (TCoM) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:45:11 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: LStroh1856 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Categorizing Fanfiction Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know I probably shouldn't throw my 2 cents into the discussion about Nfic but after reading all the posts I just can't seem to help myself. Let me start out by saying that before L&C I had never heard of fanfic let alone read any. Due to my obsession about L&C and my access to a computer and the web, I "discovered" fanfic IN ALL it's forms. I love reading L&C fanfic...but not ALL of it....just like with everything else in life, not everything is everyones cup of tea. I have read some wonderful stories and some awful ones....of many different varieties (nfic, deathfic, revelation stories etc.) I totally agree that this is not the place for someone to post an nfic story but this being a fanfic list, I certainly don't see why a particular story can't be discussed or recommended, no matter what form of fanfic it is. In fact, when the particular story that first started this whole discussion was mentioned I didn't even think about it being "nfic"...my first thought was, oh yes what a great story, not oh, what a wonderful nfic. I tend to categorize stories very bluntly...."Good stories" that I print out and read time and again and "bad" stories" that I laugh over and warn all my friends not to bother with.....it doesn't matter to me the genre of fic, if I like it, I like it. Even if it is nfic, it's not the sex scenes that make it a wonderful story for me, it is the underlining plot that keeps me reading and rereading. To make a short story really long :) I would be disappointed if we were to limit this list to discussion of only certain types of fanfic. I love to read, and I love to read L&C stories and due to the sheer volume of material available, I grealy appreciate others recommendations. Laurie Stroh LStroh1856@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:14:00 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Re: Story Recommendations/Categorization Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> I must confess to some disappointment that so many people have listed the Swap Meet story as favourites, yet my "...the Chicken or the Egg" doesn't= rate a single mention (so far... I still have hopes). Maybe I'm premenstrual or feeling particularly childish, but anyway... that's my protest for now. << Jenny, I know how you feel... no one's mentioned any of mine, either while my friend Chris Mulder seems to top every list... Of course,= she deserves to! Since someone mentioned a 'category' variation on Kathy's Challenge, I've= got one.... how many stories have had Lois getting amnesia? I know I did= two of them (go ahead, name 'em!) but I'm not sure I've ever seen any= others do that idea... were there any? Pam Jernigan !^NavFont02F0264000FMGJHGFDMGFFHI65B2F1 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:13:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pam Jernigan Subject: Lois and Clark site contest Comments: To: Blind.Copy.Receiver@compuserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> Send me your sites url's (personal mail Gardners@htc.net )and I will compile a list to send to the list. << Well, it's not really my site, but I'll nominate Sarah & Pam's Shrine O'Fanfic... http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/2501 :-) PJ !^NavFont02F00CA000FMGJHG59MG5BHGCBDBEA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:36:40 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: marlene macdougall Subject: Fanfic favorites/suggestions to read Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here are a just a **few** of my favorite L&C stories: 1. All of Chris Mulder's works (Meet me in Kansas City, Love beyond all measure, Dimensions of Loving) 2. The Perfect Gift by Eileen 3.Shot in the Dark by Sheila Harper 4.In the beginning by B.B. Medos 5. At last by Ladee V(also "A battle of wills) 6. A Kansas Fourth by Jeff Brogden 7. Ten little things by Dave Lane 8. Camping with Clark by Kathy Brown 9. Gemini by Annemarie Pace 10. It's about time by Zoomway Like I said the above list are just a few of my favorites - I have many many more as I am sure do we all. Tough to give just a few. Marlene (macdougm@cadvision.com) We must have courage, faith and chocolate! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:55:31 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: marlene macdougall Subject: Nfic favorite fics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I posted this nfic list separately in case some do not wish to read it - here again just a **few** of my favorite nfics: 1. San Francisco Sweeties by Dom Melaragni 2. All of the Dayz series by Menolly/Anne 3. A consumate revelation by Gorn 4. Winners by Kathy Brown 5. Debra Manning's series (Crazy, Turnabout, Anniversary Waltz) 6. Faster than a speeding bullet by Sheila Harper 7. All work and no play by Linda/Lillonely 8. Waiting Game by Debbie Moller 9. Sanctuary by B.B. Medos 10. A Christmas to Remember by Barbara Geraud Again, it is very difficult to name just a few there a sooooo many wonderful stories. But again, the above list are just a few of my favorite stories. Marlene (macdougm@cadvision.com) We must have courage, faith and chocolate! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:01:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Margaret Brignell Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:04 PM 18/01/98 EST, Anne (ACdrift@aol.com) wrote: > Margaret Brignell ("The Day Superman Died") -thanks:) BTW this is *not* a death fic...at least I don't think it is;) >KMcstr's "The Long Road" Someone else wrote a story called "The Lond Road"? Shoot, and I thought I was unique I've been trying to come up with my five favourites...that's a toughy...especially since most of my favourites have already hit the list. I think the original idea was to give someone new to fanfic titles to look for...so I wouldn't want to repeat;) Here is a list of fanfic that I like to re-read...and don't recollect seeing on anyone else's list...(in no particular order;): CLARK AND LOIS: THE ALTERNATE ADVENTURES by: Audrey Rempel TWO ROSES, A Revelation Story by Lynda Love IF YOU CAN'T BEAT 'EM Written by Zoomway and its sequel JOIN 'EM By Kari Urberg DEGENERATION by Jeff Brogden (there are various versions of this one...the longer one is the best:) Is that four or five? Oh, well...as an added bonus IN THE BEGINNING, by B.B. Medos TTYL Margaret ****************************** Margaret Brignell brignell@capitalnet.com Ottawa, Canada %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% My fanfic now available at: http://www.capitalnet.com/~brignell/ ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:05:50 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Alyssa Mondelli Organization: Brought to you by the legal firm of Deceive, Inveigle, & Obfuscate Subject: Re: Five Favorite Fanfics (and yet another challenge) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Aha! A thread I'm not too late to join! (Being able to read my e-mail at work but not reply to it is something of a mixed blessing.) Here are 5 stories no one has mentioned yet and my two all-time favorite lines: Lori Gorschboth's "Strange Bedfellows". I adore this little vignette; I would have paid TPTB out of my student loan money to have seen it as an episode teaser during 4th season. It has no plot whatsoever, just an exploration of the troubles involved in sharing a bed with someone who floats in his sleep. Makes me smile every time I read it. Jennifer Baker's "Oh What A Wicked Web We Weave", in which Lois Lane Kent is accused of having an affair with Superman. SL&V was a good episode but Jiji's story is even better. And the easily-amused part of me sat and laughed for a full minute at the title of Chapter 8. Michael Ring's "Long Road to Utopia" is my favorite of the ATAI continuations, for no reason I can really put my finger on; it's simply a well-written story with humor nicely woven into the plot. Chapter 2 is one of my favorite fanfic passages. (See "easily amused", above.) And two that only appeared on AOL: Meinuk's stories (did it have a name?) in which Perry and Jimmy go off to Egypt on a story and Lois & Clark elope one morning in between staff meetings, and Mark (Maverel) Yearwood's version of the 4th season, which unfortunately he stopped writing shortly after the real 4th season started. I reread some of his stories recently and I'm now half convinced he was really Tim Minear. ;-> There are more but I've already reached the limit. Feel free to visit my fanfic recommendations page at the address below (plug, plug). If anyone's interested, I could branch out and make a page for all these top-5 lists; I even have space to host the stories, to take some of the burden off the main archives. As promised, a challenge for those who have read this far: my two favorite lines from all of FoLCfiction. Cyber-brownies to anyone who can name the stories. Ready? "...all things considered, the first nine months had gone pretty smoothly." "The sound cut through her head like a sledgehammer through a watermelon..." ==Alyssa in St. Paul== (agmondelli@stthomas.edu)(AlyssaM on the IRC) Webmistress, Tempus Expeditions - http://www.tempus.simplenet.com Home of the Fortress of Insanity and Lois & Clark Season 5 "What's less than square one? Minus zippo? Negative bupkes?" --Capt. Don Cragen, _Law & Order_ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:26:24 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Story Recommendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to jump in here and list a few of my favs, too. I agree with so many of the previous posts, so I'll try to list some of my favs without duplicated fanfics. At least I'll try. Nobody has mentioned yet one of my very favorite WAFFy, and steamy fanfics, "Rubber Duckie" by Debra Manning. I ROTFL every time I read it. I also really love Pam Jernigan's stories...just about all of them! But I especially like her "President Kent" series. I don't remember if this one has been mentioned, but I liked Demi's "Remember Now What We Forgot". Very WAFFy. Can you tell I like the Waffy stories? Oh, and I definitely can't leave out this one! I think it was previously mentioned, but I had to mention it again. "It's About Time" from Zoomway. I love it's soon to be famous line, "But never underestimate the power of a star-filled sky on a warm tropical night, Jimmy." /me wonders how many ppl will rush to the archive to look up this fic now that I inserted that quote! Well, I could go on forever, as I'm sure we all could. I've got about 3 huge binders filled with my "all time favorites". That alone should tell you I'm not very good at narrowing it down. But on a closing note, I do like the idea of having someone throw out a category, and then ppl jump in to tell what their favs were in that category. Say for example...What are their five favorite WAFFy stories? Or their five favorite ones with great a-plots? Let the games begin! Sorry to drone on and on. It's my new years resolution to stop that, but apparently I'm not succeeding. Erin Klingler aka ELK on IRC erink@ida.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:52:23 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Another "awards" idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (God help me) Anyway, gang, I just signed up to another fanfic list, which will remain nameless (WILLFIC: devoted to fanfic about Willow Rosenberg, Buffy's sidekick in that Vampire Slayer series (yes, really!)) ... They and another Buffy-fic mailing had an awards night last night ... I thought, with the *huge* amount of L&C fanfic that's out there, we should have one too! What do you think? It might serve as a "FoLCS recommend these fics" for a page on the archive, for instance .... Leanne (happy to let the website awards run its course first) Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Lois and Clark Season 5 Fanfic: http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/ ********************************************************** Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:58:56 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: DEB0603 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All! I guess I'll give my favorites too. I have so many more than 5. I remember so many good stories from the pre-revelation times to the In Love and Loving it time to now Happy and Married. But since I can't list them all I'll just name a few that come to mind. Kathy Bell's The Day After Christmas Kathy Brown's Camping With Clark Demi's Heaven's Prisoners Pam Jernigan's President Kent series Shelia Harper's Faster Than a Speeding Bullet Oops! That's more than 5 isn't it? =) I just started typing and couldn't stop. But I must include one that I just read by Zoomway called Contact. There are so many more that I could put down. Maybe I'll just post my other set of 5 later. I need to check my notebooks with all of my saved and copied stories. So I guess I'll be back. Everyone take care! Deborah M. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:17:09 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello Readers: Before I can get this posted there will be another 3 or 4 posts, so I will update it soon. I thought you all might want to see what we have so far.....As of 4:00pm, Pacific time, on Sunday, January 18, 1998... A List of Favorite Fanfics (A Starting Point for Newbies, and a Great Review for Us All!) A Special THANK YOU to all who responded to my request. Contributions received by: Laurie, Gary Rudick, Pat, Geneviev, Crystal, Peace, Jenny Stosser, AMCiotola, Debby Berg, Farah, Demi, Anne, Michelle Glenn, Erin Klinger, Marlene, Margaret Brignell, Alyssa Mondelli (my apologies to anyone I have misspelled or left out!) * Many stories were mentioned more than once, as I suspected would be the case. I have listed them in alphabetical order to keep my sanity, and listed the number of times they were mentioned next to it. * Many nfics were mentioned. To be fair, if you want those titles e-mail me and I will send you the full list (It has been requested that I not post it here. Author Title 2 Baker, Jennifer Oh What a Wicked Web We Weave 4 Brown, Kathy Camping with Clark 1 Brignell, Margaret Clark, Who? 2 Brignell, Margaret The Day Superman Died 1 Brignell, Margaret The Long Road 1 Brignell, Margaret The One 2 Brignell, Margaret The Rules 2 Brodgen, Jeff Kansas Vacation 1 Brodgen, Jeff Degeneration 1 Catano, Evelyn A Matter of the Heart 1 Demi Heaven's Prisioners 1 Eagen, Jennifer Desperately Seeking Lois 1 Eagen, Jennifer It Happened All Summer 1 Eileen The Perfect Gift 1 Farwell, Jennifer Dust in the Wind 1 Gorschboth, Lori Strange Bedfellows 3 Harper, Sheila Mxysplit / All Myxed Up 1 Harper, Sheila A Shot in the Dark 1 Hubert, Carla Quick Change 1 Jernigan, Pam President Kent / Presidential Party 1 Klinger, Erin When You Needed Me Most 2 KMcstr The Long Road 1 Ladee V My Three Sons 1 Ladee V At Last 1 Ladee V A Battle of Wills 1 Lane, Dave Ten Little Things 1 Louette McGinnis Turning Point 1 Love, Lynda Two Roses 1 Manning, Debra Rubber Duckie 2 Medos, BB In the Beginning 1 Medos, BB Lois' Revenge 4 Mulder, Chris Love Beyond All Measure / Dimensions of Loving 3 Mulder, Chris Meet Me in Kansas City. 1 Pace, Annemaire Gemini 1 Peace Survive 2 Piper and Peace The Heir: Return and Healing 1 Pistorius, Ben The Flash 1 Rao, Bhavani Band 1 Reglan, Leigh Clarkie: A Lois and Clark Thanksgiving 1 Reglan, Leigh Reminiscing 1 Rempel, Audrey Clark and Lois: The Alternate Adventures 1 Ring, Michael Long Road to Utopia 1 Rufus Thoughts that Bless 3 Stark, Debbie Carry Tiger to Mountain 3 Stark, Debby Dawning (Parts 1 and 2 mentioned most, and through 19) 2 Stark, Debbie Swap Meet Series 1 Stone, Susan Aliens and Strangers 1 Uberg, Kari Join 'Em 1 Vixen Pas de Deux / Menage a Troix 1 Walthall, Angela Hark! 2 Zoomway Always Something There to Remind Me 3 Zoomway Counter-Clark Wise 3 Zoomway Cyberlink 1 Zoomway If You Can't Beat 'Em 2 Zoomway It's About Time 1 Zoomway You Made Me Love You 1 Zoomway 12:01 The List GROWS ... Keep them coming... Thanks for all your help, and a special Thank You (from all of us, I'm sure) to the wonderful authors that give their time to keep us reading. Thanks again... Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:19:24 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: A Vukovic Subject: 5 Favs and a Q... In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980118120139.009f47a0@mail.tor.shaw.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From the mentions I have seen sofar I get the impression we should be doing our 5 favouite authors, not stories. Most of the recommendations so far have been a collection of authors with a running tally of which of their fanfics is better. For fanfics 5 in my top 10 are (in no order and only 5 from 10 cause I can't remember all 10): One and Only - Gorn (nfic, but it is available on her web page last I heard) Counter Clark Wise - Zoomway (the second fanfic I ever read after Dawning 1 - I also give an honourable mention to Dawning (at least parts 1-5)) Aliens and Strangers - Susan Stone (there are more stories in this timeline, but I can't remember their names) Meeting Buddy - Marcia DeCaro (not one I think of as the greatest fic of all time, but I always enjoy rereadin it when I stumble across it) President Kent (and all the sequels) - Pam Jernigan Honourable mentions got to Menolly's Dayz series (nfic), Zoomway's Elvis and Cyberlink stories, Sandy McDermin's farce/comedy "Love as a Blonde" (nfic), and almost any of Debby Starks works. >7. Hark (Angela Walthall) > (either version ;) OK I didn't know this has more than one version... was the other an nfic? I have to say that any of her other nfics I have read were good fun. _________________________________________________________________________ Adrienne VUKOVIC aev@cia.com.au _________________________________________________________________________ "How can you be so blind, Lois? I mean, you look right at the guy, and still you don't have a clue who he really is." Clark Kent to Lois Lane: BatP, "Lois and Clark:TNAOS" _________________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:24:40 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: A Vukovic Subject: Re: Story Recommendations In-Reply-To: <212c756.34c2442f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Jennifer Jeagan's "It Happened All Summer" and Desperately Seeking Lois" > >Evelyn4CK's "Matter of the Heart" > >KMcstr's "The Long Road" > >Jeff Brogden's "Kansas Vacation" > >Lots of Leigh4CK's stuff like "Reminiscing" and "Clarkie" Aside from Kansas Vacation, how many of these are available off AOL? Adrienne _________________________________________________________________________ Adrienne VUKOVIC aev@cia.com.au _________________________________________________________________________ "How can you be so blind, Lois? I mean, you look right at the guy, and still you don't have a clue who he really is." Clark Kent to Lois Lane: BatP, "Lois and Clark:TNAOS" _________________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:31:08 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-18 19:24:48 EST, you write: << >Jennifer Jeagan's "It Happened All Summer" and Desperately Seeking Lois" Jennifer Eagen (I think) is available in the Archive. >Lots of Leigh4CK's stuff like "Reminiscing" and "Clarkie" Available through the L&C Metropolis Place Fanfic Compendiums and in the Archive. I couldn't find the others, but I'm new at this . Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:33:16 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-18 19:24:48 EST, you write: << >Evelyn4CK's "Matter of the Heart" Aside from Kansas Vacation, how many of these are available off AOL? >> Available under Catano, Evelyn in the Archive. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:36:13 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: Five (well 7) Favorite Fanfics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable O.k. even though I'm still a newby I'll still throw my 2 cents in: IN order of favorites (1 the highest 5 the lowest) 1) Demi's Heavens Prisoners - this story was sooo good and so touching I = am not afraid to admit I cried myself to sleep after reading the first = half.=20 2) Zoomway - Cruise Control and Counter Clark Wise 3) B.B Medos- Lois's Revenge and Clark's Response-These were the first = two fics I read and they are what got me interested in fanfiction and = thus the list 4) Audrey Rempel -Clark And Lois: The Alternate Adventured - strictly = because I felt so bad for the alternate Clark in "Tempus Anyone" 5) Sarah Wood -And The Answer Is... Yes - even if I read it way after = the television conclusion of "And the Answer is" O.k. these are the 7 I loved off the top of my head. There are many = more, but I can't remember names Adios~=20 Brad ------------------------------------------ Brad Gardner Gardners@htc.net=20 Visit the Gardner family web directory at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html=20 ------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:48:21 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Thanks! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks everyone for your kind comments on my work :) And here I was, feeling sort of bored with it all**, looking longingly at hard-copy books, thinking of all that reading I can catch up if I take it easy for a while. Indeed, this would be a good time to get my computer upgraded because, in this mood, I won't miss it if it's gone for (gasp!) a week... (but it will come back with the CD I bought in working condition [it came with one wrong part and inadequate instructions] and more ram and all that). **me thinks I need a good Dean fix maybe... ;) But now, late in the weekend, reading your comments, I'm getting back in the mood. Why does this happen at this time? I mean, it seems I get most creative about 5 minutes before I have to go to work 8@ geesh. Well, I better get to it while I'm in the mood; that way I'll have a better chance of writing myself out of the corner I've written myself into... good thing Clark can break through walls... and Lois just snarls at walls and they crumble :) Debby Debby@swcp.com see picture of two writer's blocks: cats.jpg on my site: ftp://ftp.swcp.com/pub/users/dstark oh! PS: my favs... I save *everything*, good, bad or indifferent. Nearly all of it is good, if only because a person cared enough to write it. I've like short stories and I've liked long ones. I'm behind on my reading of them though, and my memory is poor :\ . I like Zoom's funny ones. I like KathyB's heartfelt ones. I like Rufus's stinging/ah-ha! ones. I like Gorn's and Sandy's sexy ones. A lot of other people write the same way--aren't we lucky! :D I like stories that build and rely upon believable characterization and upon stereotypes. I like stories that paint a moving picture and help me forget I'm looking at my computer screen as I read them. I like stories that show the writer has thought about how a story should be told (for example, I'm a stickler for points of view and don't like it when they change within a paragraph). I may not like a story's plot, but I appreciate it when an author has taken time (even if they need only a day or so; time is relative) to make the effort to actually tell a story about their characters. None of these things is easy; they take practice and love. We've got the "love" part down pat :) I've wondered lately if Kryptonians were story tellers. If they were psychic (and, who knows, maybe they were) they might not have needed to put stories (fiction or nonfiction, telling about life) down on paper. I've wondered why Clark likes to tell stories (to report on life), since we all assume he didn't become a reporter to be on top of the news of things Superman needed to know about (which may be the reasoning Superman uses in the current Cartoon series). I've wondered if, somewhere in his alien soul, Clark is so fascinated by humans that he wants to tell them about themselves. After all, a way of helping is to show the good in the majority of the population and a good way to do that is through story telling about good things people do every day. I think this is why I see him as a better human-interest story writer than an investigative reporter: he has a unique perspective and he's interested in humans. I certainly don't mind him as an investigative reporter, I just don't think that's his forte. This has lead me finally to wonder this: Lara and Jor-el were among those who monitored Earth's radio and television transmissions (they knew about our ethics and lack of living by them, for example). They know we like to tell stories, that we like to communicate in story fashion. So perhaps they hoped that their child, assuming he survived and when the time was ripe, would tell those on his adopted planet the story of Krypton so memory of that planet would live on. Debby :) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:48:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: Story Recommendations - five favorites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:04 PM 1/18/98 +1100, Jenny wrote: >I must confess to some disappointment that so many people have listed the >Swap Meet story as favourites, yet my "...the Chicken or the Egg" doesn't >rate a single mention (so far... I still have hopes). Maybe I'm >premenstrual or feeling particularly childish, but anyway... that's my >protest for now. Okay, way back when, I arghed a bit about your story coming out before ours. Then I read it and you proved to me that when different people have a similar idea simultaneously... they'll approach it and carry it out in an entirely different manner :) I've been kicking around an idea for a while and was hmming a lot when I saw something like it come up in a TUFS episode. My idea is more complex (huh? me, complex?) and someday I'll write it up. I recall liking Jenny's "...the Chicken in the Egg" because she clearly had a lot of fun writing it. Sure, maybe it wasn't easy to write, but the effect was that she had a lot of fun. Her *characters* had fun and seemed real to me, so, naturally, the I had fun reading it. Now, Jenny, let us know where it can be accessed so that those who haven't read it can do so :) Is it accessible through the Stosser Family Home Page? (i.e., http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583) ? Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:08:30 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Re: Fanfic: Where Oh Where Do Supes' Clothes Go? In-Reply-To: <01bd23ce$0dc52160$26ab8dd0@davek> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I loved it! Great work Erin -- a real keeper :) Leanne Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Lois and Clark Season 5 Fanfic: http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/ ********************************************************** Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:50:55 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys, should I only keep the contest open to sites with fanfiction or should I keep it open to all sites? Please respond as soon as possible, I have to get to work. Gotta trip. ------------------------------------------ Brad Gardner Gardners@htc.net Visit the Gardner family web directory at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html ------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:21:16 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: Story Recommendations In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Crystal, I meant to correct this when it came through the first time: > 2 Piper and Peace The Heir: Return and Healing Piper wrote The Heir: Return, she and I together wrote The Heir: Healing. As much as I loved Return (and remember, it was on my five favorites list= ), I don't want to steal credit for writing it. Peace A FoLC Named Peace is settling into a new home! Come visit me at my new place - There's actually stuff there now -- well, stories, anyway... ;) - mine and Piper's too! http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/7137 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:15:08 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Genine E Murray Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Hey FoLCs, Just quickly, since I don't have too much time... I will list my top 5 fave fanfics (though of course I have *many* more than that ). 1. Love Beyond All Measure/Dimensions of Loving - Chris Mulder (I count it as 1 since you absolutely *cannot* read one without the other) 2. The entire Dawning series (at least thus far) - Debby Stark 3. Meet Me In Kansas City - Chris Mulder 4. Swap Meet - Debby Stark and Margaret Brignell 5. It Happened All Summer and Desperately Seeking Lois - Jennifer Eagen (again, I count these 2 as 1) 6. etc., etc., etc., etc., there are *SO* many more.... do we really *have* to pick ONLY 5??? :) Genine ~ GemFoLC51@juno.com ~ SuperGeM on mIRC Watch "Lois & Clark : The New Adventures of Superman" on TNT "Generation after generation, we are all blinded by love, Ms. Lane. Especially that one great love that changes us forever." H.G. Wells - Tempus Fugitive On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:17:09 EST JCWimmer writes: >Hello Readers: > >Before I can get this posted there will be another 3 or 4 posts, so I >will >update it soon. I thought you all might want to see what we have so >far.....As of 4:00pm, Pacific time, on Sunday, January 18, 1998... > >A List of Favorite Fanfics (A Starting Point for Newbies, and a Great >Review >for Us All!) > <> >The List GROWS ... Keep them coming... > >Thanks for all your help, and a special Thank You (from all of us, I'm >sure) >to the wonderful authors that give their time to keep us reading. > >Thanks again... >Crystal > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:50:12 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Re: Story Recommendations - five favorites In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980118175239.228f4b82@swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:48 PM 18/01/98 -0700, Debby Stark wrote: >Now, Jenny, let us know where it can be accessed so that those who haven't >read it can do so :) Is it accessible through the Stosser Family Home Page? >(i.e., http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583) ? > >Debby >Debby@swcp.com ...the Chicken or the Egg was posted to this list a while back (before you guys reposted the Swap Meet stories) It is also available from me by email in .txt, Word 6 and Word 97 formats; and on the Archive (though I've never checked to see whether a couple of small corrections I made, made it into the Archived version*) and it's available on my webpage, starting at: http://www.ozramp.net.au/~jenerate/prol1.html (if you can't cut and paste or click directly on this link, that's a PROL1...) *apart from a couple of mix ups I had with calling Dean Clark and Teri Lois and vice versa, I also had described Clark as wearing a t-shirt and jeans, then later looking and realising he was wearing the costume under his clothes. I changed the earlier description so that he was wearing that nice black leather jacket on top of his t-shirt Enjoy! -- Jenny Stosser -*- jenerate@ozramp.net.au -*- (Jenerator or MoiAussie on IRC) This message is umop ap!sdn -*- David is 5 and Megan is 2! Photos on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:58:37 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This was very difficult for me, since I have read all 711 stories (and several that haven't come out yet), and there are so many stories that I consider "top notch" fanfic. However, these three stand out as my top stories. 1. Love Beyond All Measure & Dimensions of Loving (Chris Mulder) As others have said, these are one story in my mind, and in fact, Chris thinks of them as one story, too. 2. You Made Me Love You & Wheels Of Justice (Zoomway) The first two parts of a trilogy. The third part, Great Shades Of Elvis, is also great, and I read all three together. But the first two are the ones that really get me, since I'm a sucker for the romance of them getting together. 3. Always Something There to Remind Me (Zoomway) This is an absolutely brilliant solution to the Alt L&C tragedy and I never even occured to me it until I read this story. This is "show universe" fanfic (a fanfic that should be an episode) at its best. Now, other outstanding fanfic that earn my highest recommendation? I'd rather group by author (in no particular order): ** Sheila Harper ... anything. I do editing for Sheila, as she does for me. I am just in awe of her as a writer/story teller. She is amazing. I'll stop now before I embarrass myself. ** Pam Jernigan ... anything! Pam is another author that impresses me not just with her incredibly high quality, but the number of stories. There are so many to recommend, but my personal favorites include What Dreams May Come (possibly my favorite Pam story), Second Chances, and all 3 stories in the President Kent series. ** Zoomway ... So many favorites, so little time ... but I have to also mention 12:01, which proves that a story doesn't have to be nfic to be sexy. This is "getting together" romance at its best. Also, It's About Time, which is probably the fic that I've reread the most times. I can't get enough of it. ** Jeff Brognan ... Degeneration, A Kansas Fourth. Being from Kansas (he just moved out of state, unfortunately), Jeff brings a lot of detail to his stories that we wouldn't get otherwise. Great stuff, tons of romance. ** Kathy Pernisek/Vixen ... Menage a Trois & Pas de Deux (two stories, two parter). Really romantic, and I love the resolution of Claude issue. Nfic favorites to follow later, under separate heading. Geez, this was hard, but fun. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:06:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Call for AOL fanfic In-Reply-To: <212c756.34c2442f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 1:04 PM -0500 1/18/98, ACdrift wrote: >Other great stories include: > >Jennifer Jeagan's "It Happened All Summer" and Desperately Seeking Lois" > >Evelyn4CK's "Matter of the Heart" > >KMcstr's "The Long Road" I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure these stories are not on the Archive. I read these stories when they were posted to the AOL reading room. (I don't have AOL but I had a friend who was kind enough to send them out to non-AOL folcs that summer between 3rd and 4th seasons.) This *are* incredible stories ... and Jennifer Eagan (JEAGAN) has several other stories, as well, I believe that are just as good. Unfortunately, these authors never submitted them to the Archive. If any of you know people who have written stories for AOL, but haven't posted them to the Archive, please let them know we'd love to have their stories. Especially now that AOL has shut down their fanfic areas, there are some absolutely incredible stories out there that are in danger of being "lost". Thanks for spreading the word. Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:28:02 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-18 20:23:02 EST, you write: << I meant to correct this when it came through the first time: > 2 Piper and Peace The Heir: Return and Healing Piper wrote The Heir: Return, she and I together wrote The Heir: Healing. As much as I loved Return (and remember, it was on my five favorites list), I don't want to steal credit for writing it. >> I'll fix it on the list right away! thanks. Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:42:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: AWOL on IRC. In-Reply-To: <88ad37f7.34c2ba34@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hey you, get back on IRC this instant. Kathy ;) ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:44:52 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: apology In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh gag ... my apologies ... That was supposed to be a private email. Geez. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:44:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Sharon L. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll join the discussion and add my favorites to the list. I enjoy the stories that deal with L&C's relationship building. My five favorites are: 1. Winner's 2. Heaven's Prisoners 3. Faster than a Speeding Bullet and A Shot in the Dark (both Shelia Harper's work so I'm counting them as one) 4. All 3 of Chris Mulder's stories 5. The Dayz series and The Private Life of Clark Kent At 07:17 PM 1/18/98 EST, you wrote: >Hello Readers: > >Before I can get this posted there will be another 3 or 4 posts, so I will >update it soon. I thought you all might want to see what we have so >far.....As of 4:00pm, Pacific time, on Sunday, January 18, 1998... > >A List of Favorite Fanfics (A Starting Point for Newbies, and a Great Review >for Us All!) > >A Special THANK YOU to all who responded to my request. Contributions received >by: >Laurie, Gary Rudick, Pat, Geneviev, Crystal, Peace, Jenny Stosser, AMCiotola, >Debby Berg, >Farah, Demi, Anne, Michelle Glenn, Erin Klinger, Marlene, Margaret Brignell, >Alyssa Mondelli >(my apologies to anyone I have misspelled or left out!) > >* Many stories were mentioned more than once, as I suspected would be the >case. I have listed >them in alphabetical order to keep my sanity, and listed the number of times >they were >mentioned next to it. >* Many nfics were mentioned. To be fair, if you want those titles e-mail me >and I will send you >the full list (It has been requested that I not post it here. > > Author Title > >2 Baker, Jennifer Oh What a Wicked Web We Weave >4 Brown, Kathy Camping with Clark >1 Brignell, Margaret Clark, Who? >2 Brignell, Margaret The Day Superman Died >1 Brignell, Margaret The Long Road >1 Brignell, Margaret The One >2 Brignell, Margaret The Rules >2 Brodgen, Jeff Kansas Vacation >1 Brodgen, Jeff Degeneration >1 Catano, Evelyn A Matter of the Heart >1 Demi Heaven's Prisioners >1 Eagen, Jennifer Desperately Seeking Lois >1 Eagen, Jennifer It Happened All Summer >1 Eileen The Perfect Gift >1 Farwell, Jennifer Dust in the Wind >1 Gorschboth, Lori Strange Bedfellows >3 Harper, Sheila Mxysplit / All Myxed Up >1 Harper, Sheila A Shot in the Dark >1 Hubert, Carla Quick Change >1 Jernigan, Pam President Kent / Presidential Party >1 Klinger, Erin When You Needed Me Most >2 KMcstr The Long Road >1 Ladee V My Three Sons >1 Ladee V At Last >1 Ladee V A Battle of Wills >1 Lane, Dave Ten Little Things >1 Louette McGinnis Turning Point >1 Love, Lynda Two Roses >1 Manning, Debra Rubber Duckie >2 Medos, BB In the Beginning >1 Medos, BB Lois' Revenge >4 Mulder, Chris Love Beyond All Measure / Dimensions of Loving >3 Mulder, Chris Meet Me in Kansas City. >1 Pace, Annemaire Gemini >1 Peace Survive >2 Piper and Peace The Heir: Return and Healing >1 Pistorius, Ben The Flash >1 Rao, Bhavani Band >1 Reglan, Leigh Clarkie: A Lois and Clark Thanksgiving >1 Reglan, Leigh Reminiscing >1 Rempel, Audrey Clark and Lois: The Alternate Adventures >1 Ring, Michael Long Road to Utopia >1 Rufus Thoughts that Bless >3 Stark, Debbie Carry Tiger to Mountain >3 Stark, Debby Dawning (Parts 1 and 2 mentioned most, and through 19) >2 Stark, Debbie Swap Meet Series >1 Stone, Susan Aliens and Strangers >1 Uberg, Kari Join 'Em >1 Vixen Pas de Deux / Menage a Troix >1 Walthall, Angela Hark! >2 Zoomway Always Something There to Remind Me >3 Zoomway Counter-Clark Wise >3 Zoomway Cyberlink >1 Zoomway If You Can't Beat 'Em >2 Zoomway It's About Time >1 Zoomway You Made Me Love You >1 Zoomway 12:01 > >The List GROWS ... Keep them coming... > >Thanks for all your help, and a special Thank You (from all of us, I'm sure) >to the wonderful authors that give their time to keep us reading. > >Thanks again... >Crystal > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~*~* Sharon L. Gilbert, Ph.D. Sorry. I was lost in thought. Sorta new territory for me. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:41:14 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Stefanie Slifer Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Okay, I'll jump on this thread. Now, these are my favorites from what I've read, there are *tons* I have yet to read. 1. When You Needed Me Most -- Erin Klinger (the first fic I read :-)) 2. Heaven's Prisoners (PG)-- Duh! (I actually *sobbed* during the car scene. And I read all 11 parts straight through.) 3. Going to the Chapel -- Pam Jernigan and Sarah Wood ( I love the wedding and baby stories) 4. Counter Clark-wise -- Zoomway 5. The One -- Margaret Brignell (One of the best "pre-Lois" Clark stories I've read [no offense to those who have also documented Clark's early journeys, like I said, I haven't read that many]) Hugs, Stefanie =) cute6@juno.com A friend strengthens you with her prayers, blesses you with her love, and encourages you with her hope. This week I have truly been strengthened, blessed, and encouraged! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 02:16:11 PST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Peace Everett Subject: Re: apology In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kathy wrote: >hey you, get back on IRC this instant. and then choked: > Oh gag ... my apologies ... > > That was supposed to be a private email. > > Geez. Thanks for clearing that up, Kathy ;) Peace ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:46:25 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Debby Stark Subject: Re: Another "awards" idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:52 PM 1/18/98 -0800, you wrote: >(God help me) > >Anyway, gang, I just signed up to another fanfic list, which will remain >nameless (WILLFIC: devoted to fanfic about Willow Rosenberg, Buffy's >sidekick in that Vampire Slayer series (yes, really!)) ... Is that the little gal who's Buffy's friend? I like her, too :) (however, I have no plans to write stories about her...) >They and another Buffy-fic mailing had an awards night last night ... I >thought, with the *huge* amount of L&C fanfic that's out there, we should >have one too! > >What do you think? I think that any nominations and maybe the voting, too, should be by nonwriters of fanfic... (otherwise, I might stuff the ballot box ;) >It might serve as a "FoLCS recommend these fics" for a page on the archive, >for instance .... An alternative idea: ratings by stars? **** for the best, * for okay, that kind of thing. Divide by the number of voters for each story, so it won't matter if one story gets 2 votes and another gets 100. (the two might vote **** and the 100 might average out to **). >Leanne >(happy to let the website awards run its course first) I suspect there are more writers of fanfic than those who both write and have a web site (do ftp sites count?) Debby Debby@swcp.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:00:28 +0000 Reply-To: dor2302@usa.net Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Doris Schmill Subject: Re: Story Recommendations-Favorites Comments: cc: dorisschmill@gmx.net In-Reply-To: <4cbe1406.34c1f9f9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Folcs! Favorite (n)fanfics? Hard to narrow it down. There are so many good writers and neat stories out there. 1. Chris Mulder's "Meet Me in Kansas City," followed closely by her "Loving" two-parter ("Dimensions of Loving" and "Love Beyond all Measure" (All three in Archive) 2. Sheila Harper's "Shot in the Dark" ( PG version Archive; there is an nfic version out to this one, which I feel adds some integral detail to the story; available thru Joyce's list) 3. Peace's and Piper's "The Heir" (this consists of 2 parts really, the PG "The Return" (Archive) by Piper and Nfic"The Healing" (Joyce's nfic list) by Peace and Piper) 4. Chris Mulder's "Hero's Journey" (Archive) 5. Pam Jernigan's "2nd Chances" (Archive) 6. Erin Kingler's "When You Needed Me Most" (Archive) 7. Demi's "Heaven's Prisoner" (PG version Archive; nfic thru Joyce's list) 8. Zoomie's "12.01" (Archive or Zoom's fanfic site) 9. Leanne Shawler's Season 5 (various authors, Seaon 5 website) 10. Kathy Brown's "Camping with Clark" (PG version in Archive, nfic from Joyce's list) Since this is more than five, actually more than 10 Stories, already, I better stop. It's really hard to pick out favorites, let alone trying to rate them. Recommending authors is a little easier. Basically, I consider anything by the above authors well worth reading. As for the nfic/fanfic debate, I do consider nfanfiction just what it's name suggests: fanfic with some details that some people may consider "naughty." The kind of nfic I prefer to read has story to it with an a- and/or b-plot and has Lois and Clark as a married couple. Sex in the nfics I like best would add to or enhance the, but not be the sole raison d'etre, unless the story was directly about a "sex issue" L&C are facing in their relationship. I have appreciated the discussion and recommendation of both genfic and nfic on this list. With nfic in particular, I prefer to read stories that have been recommended to me so that I have an idea what I'm getting myself into beforehand. Time to lurk up again. I'm really enjoying this discussion. Please keep those posts coming, guys! Doris at dorisschmill@gmx.net or dor2302@usa.net or cschmill@zedat.fu-berlin.de ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:40:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Another "awards" idea In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980119045042.092f1f5e@swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 4:46 AM -0700 1/19/98, Debby Stark wrote: >I think that any nominations and maybe the voting, too, should be by >nonwriters of fanfic... (otherwise, I might stuff the ballot box ;) Or else we just make it a rule that no one can nominate their own fic. (Which I would think common sense and good manners would dictate!) Kathy :) ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:46:54 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Another "awards" idea Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-19 10:38:45 EST, you write: << Or else we just make it a rule that no one can nominate their own fic. (Which I would think common sense and good manners would dictate!) Kathy :) >> I like this better, too. If we take the writers completely out of the loop, we will miss out on a lot of voters. It's amazing how many authors there are out there... Crystal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:03:47 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: ACdrift Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Comments: cc: JCWimmer@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All, Oops, I made a few mistakes in my recommendations. I hardly ever use the proper episode names for Lois and Clark - and found that I have done the same thing when saving the fanfic on disks. First, "Matter of the Heart" written by Evelyn4CK is in the Archive under the name Evelyn Catano. Leigh4CK has her stories under her name, Leigh Raglan. Jeff Brogden's story is "Kansas Fourth", not Kansas Vacation. "It Happened All Summer" and "Desperately Seeking Lois" were written by Jennifer Eagan (JEAGAN). Her stories were published in the Metropolis Club Archive. I don't have the URL - I can't find it. Can some help out with this one?? JEAGAN's stories are still available on AOL in the "Reading Room" and "Scenarios". KMcstr "The Long Road" is there too. I just checked and the those rooms are available. Use the Key Word and then type in these amazingly long numbers: Short Stories: aol://4344:113.lcrrss.454048.519087314 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:10:07 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: ACdrift Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Call for AOL fanfic Comments: cc: JCWimmer@aol.com Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Darn! The computer froze up. I guess I sent the message before I was done. Sorry.....Anyway, the AOL Reading Rooms addresses are: Short Stories: aol://4344:113.lcrrss.454048.519087304 Scenarios: aol://4344:113.lcrrscen.454049.519087391 I'll try be be more careful next time. Thanks for this fun discussion. Anne (ACdrift@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:26:41 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Another awards idea MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folcs! > Or else we just make it a rule that no one can nominate their own fic. > > (Which I would think common sense and good manners would dictate!) > > Kathy :) >> > >I like this better, too. If we take the writers completely out of the loop, >we will miss out on a lot of voters. It's amazing how many authors there are >out there... > >Crystal I have to jump in here and put in my two cents worth, also. I agree with both Kathy and Crystal that us writers should be able to participate in the voting, as long as we promise to be on our best behaviour and stick to the honor system and not vote for our own fanfics. Being a fanfic writer myself, I know I can more readily appreciate another author's truly great fanfic because I know how tough it can be to convey a message or tell the story that you're trying to tell. Just MHO. Erin :) erink@ida.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:31:46 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: Another awards idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I have to jump in here and put in my two cents worth, also. I agree with >both Kathy and Crystal that us writers should be able to participate in the >voting, as long as we promise to be on our best behaviour and stick to >the honor system and not vote for our own fanfics. Being a fanfic writer >myself, I know I can more readily appreciate another author's truly great >fanfic because I know how tough it can be to convey a message or tell the >story that you're trying to tell. I don't know if I agree with that part, Erin. That's like telling the President he can't vote for himself on election day, although I see the point you're trying to make. I think we need to hash that sort of thing out. However, I would hope that we would do categories for awards and not just go for best story. You know, something like, Best Revelation Story, Best Alt-world Story, Best Pre-relationship story, things like that. Sheila ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:27:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Another awards idea MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sheila wrote: >I don't know if I agree with that part, Erin. That's like telling the >President he can't vote for himself on election day, although I see the >point you're trying to make. I think we need to hash that sort of thing >out. However, I would hope that we would do categories for awards and not >just go for best story. You know, something like, Best Revelation Story, >Best Alt-world Story, Best Pre-relationship story, things like that. LOL! Yes, I can see your point about the President voting for himself . I was just agreeing that if that's what our hashed-out rules turned out to be, fine. But I would definitely want to vote, whether for a story I've written or not. I want to be in on the fun, too! :) And I definitely like the idea of categorizing fanfics and doing awards from there. It's hard to pit one category against another because, as we've said, it all comes down to our personal tastes as to what kind of stories we like to read. Maybe we could put together some additional categories, too, such as most-read author, or most unique story idea, etc. Or how about an award for best story series? Meaning a sequel or trilogy, etc. That would bring in some other areas of fanfics that we all enjoy. Erin erink@ida.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:34:50 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Erin Klingler Subject: Re: Another awards idea MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops! Sorry to have to post twice...I forgot to add something. If we do go ahead with this fanfic awards, I think we should definitely include all FoLCs in the voting, meaning the other list. Maybe we could post something there after everything is hashed out here, so everyone could join in the fun of voting. Just MHO, though. Erin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:49:51 NFT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Enrico.Horn" Subject: Re: Another "awards" idea In-Reply-To: ; from "Leanne Shawler" at Jan 18, 98 3:52 pm Hi FoLCs > > They and another Buffy-fic mailing had an awards night last night ... I > thought, with the *huge* amount of L&C fanfic that's out there, we should > have one too! > > What do you think? > As you may or may not know I have a page dedicated to L&C fanfic on the net. If you want I will put an award page up too. Everybody could mail me his/her votes of the best stories. The rating could be like this. Every story gets points for getting voted. A story placed first gets more points than on placed second and so on. The fanfic could be devided in several categories each with a list of recommended stories.(ideas for categories?) Every one can vote for lets say 5-10 stories per category but not for his/her own stories and only one time. The results would be displayed on my page. What do you say? Enrico Horn enhorn@Wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de Farmboy on #loiscla ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:57:00 NFT Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: "Enrico.Horn" Subject: Re: Call for AOL fanfic In-Reply-To: ; from "Kathy Brown" at Jan 18, 98 9:06 pm Hi FoLCs > > At 1:04 PM -0500 1/18/98, ACdrift wrote: > > >Other great stories include: > > > >Jennifer Jeagan's "It Happened All Summer" and Desperately Seeking Lois" > > > >Evelyn4CK's "Matter of the Heart" > > > >KMcstr's "The Long Road" > > I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure these stories are not on the Archive. > I read these stories when they were posted to the AOL reading room. (I > don't have AOL but I had a friend who was kind enough to send them out to > non-AOL folcs that summer between 3rd and 4th seasons.) > > This *are* incredible stories ... and Jennifer Eagan (JEAGAN) has several > other stories, as well, I believe that are just as good. > > Unfortunately, these authors never submitted them to the Archive. > These stories are available through http://members.aol.com/beth012400/fanfic.htm Enrico Horn enhorn@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de Visit my homepage for the biggest list of L&C fanfic at http://www.rz.tu-ilmenau.de/~wi019/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:00:31 +1100 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Jenny Stosser Subject: Categories (was:Re: Another awards idea) In-Reply-To: <01bd2518$9b00b6c0$2aab8dd0@davek> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:27 PM 19/01/98 -0700, Erin Klingler wrote: >And I definitely like the idea of categorizing fanfics and doing awards from >there. It's hard to pit one category against another because, as we've >said, it all comes down to our personal tastes as to what kind of stories we >like to read. One problem I foresee with regard to categories: Isn't it true that one of the reasons L&C never won an Emmy was that no-one was sure which category it should be nominated in? -- Jenny Stosser -*- jenerate@ozramp.net.au -*- (Jenerator or MoiAussie on IRC) This message is umop ap!sdn -*- David is 5 and Megan is 2! Photos on the Stosser Family HomePage: http://geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/4583 Please sign our guestbook! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:13:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Categories (was:Re: Another awards idea) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980120080031.006c31c0@mail.ozramp.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 8:00 AM +1100 1/20/98, Jenny Stosser wrote: >One problem I foresee with regard to categories: Isn't it true that one of >the reasons L&C never won an Emmy was that no-one was sure which category >it should be nominated in? That is one possible reason why L&C was never nominated, but I'm not sure how it affects the fanfic categories we come up with. That's the whole point of categories - that we are picking several different ones to represent all of L&C, not trying to put everything in one category. But yes, we have several categories that we use on the Archive, and there are some stories that cross-over, say if it's an alternate episode fic (It Could Have Been Like This) that also has a Lois revelation (Revelations 1 - Lois). You get the idea. I'll be interested to see what categories you come up with for this project. Several people have suggested we need more categories in the Archive, but when I ask "what should we add?", I'm met with deafening silence. But for the needs of this project, I don't see a big problem. Stories can be nominated across categories, if need be. This is supposed to be fun. I suggest it's treated as such, and not worry too much about the minor details! :) Is someone taking charge of this project, btw? Leanne, were you the first one to mention it? Or am I volunteering you for something you don't have time for. Kathy (who *definitely* doesn't have time to help with this project , but is enjoying the discussion of it just the same. Sounds like a fun idea.) ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net <---- updated 1/17/98 KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:18:54 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Call for AOL fanfic In-Reply-To: <199801192057.VAA22602@thales.wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:57 PM +0000 1/19/98, Enrico.Horn wrote: >These stories are available through >http://members.aol.com/beth012400/fanfic.htm Well, holy smokes, a whole Archive of fanfic that I wasn't aware of. Happy me! Kathy (surfing on over to d/l some new fic ... not that I have time to read it these days, but that's not the point. ) ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net <---- updated 1/17/98 KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:02:19 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: Digest? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys and Gals, How does digest work and what does it mean? ------------------------------------------ Brad Gardner Gardners@htc.net Visit the Gardner family web directory at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/index.html ------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:00:52 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: lc site contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You guys are not helping. Come on I need nominations!!!!!! Come on I don't care if it's yours or someone elses, I need nominations!!!!!!! Breezy's Kingdom http://members.aol.com/breezae/index.html Joan's Link Page at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~dmeyung/link.htm Sarah & Pam's Shrine O'Fanfic... http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/2501 THE SUPERMAN HOMEPAGE ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:20:00 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: KampmeyerM Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: AWOL on IRC. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-01-18 21:42:20 EST, you write: << hey you, get back on IRC this instant. >> Never Been there, Never done that... am I asking for trouble when I ask for directions? Let me know, Marie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:26:27 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: JCWimmer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: nfic .... 5 favorites Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you do not want to read a list of titles of nfic, delete this message and do not read furthur. Thank you. If you wish to read the list: Scroll Down... Hello FoLCs! Here is the promised list of "5 Favorite" nfics. If you don't see a story here that you "just know" was mentioned, you will probably find it on the other list. Nobody specified "I only liked the nfic version" , so I included stories with a PG alternative on the regular list so that they would be seen by more readers. Favorite Nfics (A Starting Point for Readers OVER 18) It was requested that I not include these to the posted list, but I don't feel that the list is complete without commending the authors of these great stories. I can list them, but I can't tell you where to find all of them ... I'm afraid you're on you own . Thank you to all of the same FoLCs listed on the other list...I couldn't have done it without you! Author Title 2 McDermin,Sandy Something's Missing 3 Brown, Kathy Winners 1 Geraud, Barbara A Christmas to Remember 3 Gorn Consummate Revelation 1 Gorn Going, Going, Gone 1 Gorn One and Only 4 Harper, Shiela A Shot in the Dark 5 Harper, Shiela Faster than a Speeding Bullet 1 Herwood, Molly A Family Secret 1 Linda / Lillonely All Work and No Play 1 Manning, Deborah Crazy / Turnabout / Anniversary Waltz 3 McDermin, Sandy Love as a Blond 2 McDermin, Sandy Something's Missing 1 McElhaney, Lori Fantasy Series 1 Medos, BB Sanctuary 3 Menolly The Dayz Series 1 Menolly The Private Life of Clark Kent 1 Melaragni, Dom San Fransisco Sweeties 3 Peace and Piper The Heir: Healing A special thank you to all of the authors who cope with the legal and moral question marks that everyone throws at them, and still manage to give us this great reading material. WE APPRECIATE YOU! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:25:49 -0600 Reply-To: peabody@mcs.com Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Pat Organization: Amarna House Subject: Re: Another "awards" idea MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > At 4:46 AM -0700 1/19/98, Debby Stark wrote: > > >I think that any nominations and maybe the voting, too, should be by > >nonwriters of fanfic... (otherwise, I might stuff the ballot box ;) But...if we don't let the writers vote, who else would be left? Quite often I recognize authors of posts to this list as authors of stories in the archive. There are probably some lurkers who don't post to the list or the archive, (which is fine; writers love an audience :) but I'd be surprised if *at least* half of the people on this list weren't writers of fanfic. > Kathy Brown wrote: > > Or else we just make it a rule that no one can nominate their own fic. > > (Which I would think common sense and good manners would dictate!) Okay, that sounds like it would work. And since this isn't a secret ballot kind of voting, we won't be using the Chicago (my hometown) system of voting early and often either ;) Pat -- peabody@mcs.com pattijean@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:19:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Fanfic Archive Server Down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone, Just wanted to let you all know that the server housing the Fanfic Archive is temporarily down. Our ISP has been having problems lately, and I assume this is just one more example of that. For those of you who have gotten an old version of the gateway recently (several people have written me asking why they got the 11/28 upload version, when they had been able to see the Dec and Jan uploads this weekend), this is because you are seeing the version that your browser had stored in memory. Most likely, if you were do click "Reload", you would get the "server is down" message. Hopefully, we'll be back up soon. Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:01:36 EST Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Rxiris Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Story Recommendations/favorite authors Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all! After considerable thought, here are some favorite fanfics of mine (in no particular order): Aliens and Strangers by Susan Stone Home Maintenance by Gail Lefkowitz Heartbeat by Jennifer Baker (or anything else by her, also aka JijiB) A Little Incentive by Cory Sitko Future Forms by Sandra Jean Wampler That the World May Know by Rachel Smith Underneath the Cape by Leigh Raglan Eight oh Three by Rhen Brink Any stories by the following authors are on my 'highly recommended list': Margaret Brignell Kathy Brown Sheila Harper Carla Humbert Pam Jernigan Kathy Pernisek/Vixen Sandy McDermin Rufus (Ruth Ellison) Debby Stark Zoomway Whew! That was tough! Lynda Rxiris@aol.com Denver, Colorado--GO BRONCOS!! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:16:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Re: Categories (was:Re: Another awards idea) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Is someone taking charge of this project, btw? Leanne, were you the first >one to mention it? Or am I volunteering you for something you don't have >time for. > Well, so long as there isn't a quick turnaround ... I'm game ... Last night though, my monitor died *grrr*, so I don't really want to get this off the ground until it's fixed (which hopefully will be swiftly -- it's still under warranty) GIve me a week, and I'll be ready to start ... Tomorrow night, I'll borrow Dan's monitor and forward y'all the post that inspired me from the WILLFIC list, so you can see the 101 categories they had :) Leanne Leanne Shawler volterra@sd.znet.com http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html ************************************************************** Lois & Clark: Season 5 http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/mothership/60/season5.htm text only version at: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/mothership/60/s5text.htm ************************************************************** Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:43:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Categories (was:Re: Another awards idea) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980120151635.006903d8@znet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:16 AM -0800 1/20/98, Leanne Shawler wrote: >Tomorrow night, I'll borrow Dan's monitor and forward y'all the post that >inspired me from the WILLFIC list, so you can see the 101 categories they had *gasp* *sputter* 101 ?!?!?!!?!? LOL! Gee, and I was thinking 5 or 10. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net <---- updated 1/17/98 KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:54:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Fanfic Archive server back up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The topic says it all. :) As far as we can tell, the server is back up. No information on why it was down. New stories were uploaded on January 17, 1998, so happy surfing. :) Kathy _________________________________ Kathy Brown Editor-In-Chief Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive kbrown@toolcity.net KathyB on IRC _________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:58:32 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: Digest? In-Reply-To: <01BD24F3.E54FB160@ppp116.htc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:02 PM -0600 1/18/98, The Gardner Family wrote: >Guys and Gals, >How does digest work and what does it mean? A digest is a compilation of several email messages into one longer email. Instead of getting each post individually throughout the day, you'll receive one long email message 2-3 times a day. This long email will list each post out, one after the other. It's kind of like one big combo post, only put together by the system instead of a person. It's a good way to manage your email if you find the list volume gets to be too much. I'm on Digest on LOISCLA and have found it useful. This list hasn't generated as much mail, so for now, I'm getting each post. Hope that helps. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net <---- updated 1/17/98 KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:24:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sara Kraft Subject: Re: Story Recommendations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >The best stories I have read have been suggested on this list, and I'm sure >you all have your personal favorites. How about sharing that information with >the rest of us as a starting point. One Rule: Make sure the story is still >available, to do otherwise is just plain frustrating! Great idea! I can think of so many off the top of my head. "A Shot in the Dark" by Shelia Harper The "Dawning" series by Debby Stark "Love Beyond all Measure" and "Dimensions of Loving" by Chris Mulder "Heaven's Prisoners" by Demi "Meet me In Kansas City" by Chris Mulder "Oh What a Tangled Web We Weave" by JijiB (?) Here is also a list of favorite authors, since I can't list all of my favorite fanfics. (in no particular order): Shelia Harper Debby Stark Chris Mulder Jeff Brodgen (sp?) Margaret Brignell These are not meant to single anyone out, nor say that anyone not on this list isn't a great writer. This list is just a list of authors that I have read many stories by and loved them all. Sara (who has a tendency to miss the start of threads by not checking her mail daily...or weekly for that matter) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:08:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: WILLFIC: Golden Frog Award Winners Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, so I borrowed a spare monitor from work, and here are the award categories WILLFIC had ... > >Best representaton of any BtVS character [24 of 24 voters] >Best representaton of Willow Rosenberg [24 of 24 voters] >Best tear-jearker [24 of 24 voters] >Best comedy [24 of 24 voters] >Best drama [24 of 24 voters] >Best action [22 of 24 voters] >Best overall scene [21 of 24 voters] >Best poem [18 of 24 voters] >Best 1-part fic [24 of 24 voters] >Best 2-6 part fic [22 of 24 voters] >Best 7+ part fic [20 of 24 voters] >Best series [22 of 24 voters] >Best quote/1-liner [23 of 24 voters] >Best new character [23 of 24 voters] >Best sappiest or love scene [23 of 24 voters] >Best fic of the year [23 of 24 voters] The last one had the top three winners ... well ... that should give you some ideas! Leanne Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Lois and Clark Season 5 Fanfic: http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/ ********************************************************** Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:24:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: Authors being voters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:26 AM 1/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >I have to jump in here and put in my two cents worth, also. I agree with >both Kathy and Crystal that us writers should be able to participate in the >voting, as long as we promise to be on our best behaviour and stick to >the honor system and not vote for our own fanfics. I was wondering.. Can't the president even vote for themselves? I don't see what's wrong with voting for one's own work. We could nominate people and second it, but would that make too many posts? Maybe someone would be willing to write a script (like on a webpage) so we can click and vote? farah :) fchisham@indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:25:36 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Farah Meitzen Chisham Subject: You know something.... :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I had just sent in my post regarding the president thing.... then I read this.. maybe i need to get on digest :) At 01:27 PM 1/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >Sheila wrote: >>I don't know if I agree with that part, Erin. That's like telling the >>President he can't vote for himself on election day, although I see the >>point you're trying to make. I think we need to hash that sort of thing >>out. However, I would hope that we would do categories for awards and not >>just go for best story. You know, something like, Best Revelation Story, >>Best Alt-world Story, Best Pre-relationship story, things like that. farah :) fchisham@indiana.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:24:35 +0000 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Phillip Atcliffe Subject: A Password(?!) for the Archive Kathy said that the archive was back on-line... so I went to see what was new -- only to be asked for a username and a password by ixpres.com! Um... help? This has never happened before, and I'd like to know what to do to get access. Thanx in anticipation, Phil ------------------------------------------------------------ "If you let a smile be your umbrella... you'll get wet teeth!" -- a forgotten comedian, quoted by me: Phil Atcliffe (p-atclif@uwe.ac.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:08:58 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: FANFIC ARCHIVE.. (was: Re: A Password(?!) for the Archive) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:24 PM 1/21/98 +0000, you wrote: >Kathy said that the archive was back on-line... so I went to see what was new -- >only to be asked for a username and a password by ixpres.com! As some of you know the Fanfic Archive has been having a few technical difficulties lately, it's not the archive itself, it's the server, who, I beleive is upgrading and causing problems inadvertantly. Please be patient with us, hopefully it will all be resolved quickly. The password screen should not be coming up ;P Thanks :) Demi ___________________________________ Demi / Demona Archive Coordinator Lois & Clark Fanfic Archive ___________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:05:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: A Password(?!) for the Archive In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:24 PM +0000 1/21/98, Phillip Atcliffe wrote: >Kathy said that the archive was back on-line... so I went to see what was >new -- >only to be asked for a username and a password by ixpres.com! > >Um... help? This has never happened before, and I'd like to know what to do to >get access. > >Thanx in anticipation, > >Phil >------------------------------------------------------------ >"If you let a smile be your umbrella... > you'll get wet teeth!" > -- a forgotten comedian, quoted by me: Phil Atcliffe > (p-atclif@uwe.ac.uk) Hi Phil, I honestly have no idea why you got that message. You are the second person to email about this problem today, however. We have been having problems with our ISP. They've had hacking problems. Apparently, someone has targetting them for attack and has been successful enough to shut them down completely several times over the last couple of months. I know they are working on it desperately on trying to find this person and prevent it from happening, and they thought they had it under control earlier this month. This might be the same problem or a different one. Anyway, just know that you aren't the only person having trouble accessing it (though it just told me "server not accepting connections", no password request), so I would just suggest trying again later. Sorry and thanks for letting us know. I forwarded your message to Chris Paterson (whose name the account is in) and she will hopefully call Ixpres and talk to them about it. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net <---- updated 1/17/98 KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:13:32 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: IRC?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some of you guys always sign with "name" on IRC. And there IRC = ROUNDROBIN Fanfics around. According to Buffy the Vampire Slayer a = roundrobin is when you take turns calling parents telling them that = you're at each others houses. So what are IRC and ROUNDROBIN in the Lois = and Clark world?? IS IRC a chat place? Please explain. Brad Go to my new place on the web!!! The URL is on my sig.=20 ------------------------------------------ Brad Gardner Gardners@htc.net=20 Visit Brad's World- everything from Buffy, Friends, and Lois and Clark http://www.angelfire.com/ga/gardners/brdswrld.html=20 ------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:22:38 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: Hey baby!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sheena, It's been a while and it felt so good to hold you in my arms last = night. I miss you already and I can't wait for you to come home. Love = your ever loving boyfriend Brad. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:26:36 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: The Gardner Family Subject: apologies!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FoLC's, If you could have seen the color of my face when I realized I sent that = to the list, You would have died from hysterics. I am so sorry and I'll = never let it happen again.=20 Brad ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:30:34 -0600 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Spyder Subject: Re: IRC?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IRC stands for internet real-time chat and yes, it is obviously a chat place. I use mirc (can be downloaded from www.mirc.co.uk) to hit #LOISCLA channel. When mircking you can send and receive sounds and ansi graphics. Enjoy! Spyder spyder@minot.ndak.net www.mirc.co.uk www.mirabilis.com www.scifiweekly.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:03:14 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: demona Subject: Re: Hey baby!!! In-Reply-To: <01BD2699.C7347EC0@ppp102.htc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:22 PM 1/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >Sheena, >It's been a while and it felt so good to hold you in my arms last night. I miss you already >and I can't wait for you to come home. Love your ever loving boyfriend Brad. Ohh. This looks promising, what happens next? Oh, but if it's Nfic you can always distribute it through Joyce LOL! ;) I'm sorry.. I couldn't resist! Take Care All ;) Demi _________________________________________________ Demi (a.k.a) Demona or http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy/demona.htm --- L&C Site http://fantasia.simplenet.com/lcfantasy --- "See, the thing is, I've loved him my whole life..." _________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:19:19 -0500 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Kathy Brown Subject: Re: IRC?? In-Reply-To: <01BD2699.BF8BBDA0@ppp102.htc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 6:13 PM -0600 1/21/98, The Gardner Family wrote: >Some of you guys always sign with "name" on IRC. And there IRC ROUNDROBIN >Fanfics around. According to Buffy the Vampire Slayer a roundrobin is when >you take turns calling parents telling them that you're at each others >houses. So what are IRC and ROUNDROBIN in the Lois and Clark world?? IS >IRC a chat place? Please explain. Yes, Brad, IRC is for chatting. A Round Robin for fanfic means that people take turns writing a story. It can be done via email, where one person writes a bit (a paragraph, a page or more) then passes it along to the next person. This person adds on where the first person left off. On IRC, it means that we write in "real time". One person writes a few lines, then the next person on the channel takes over, and so on. Think of it like getting a bunch of your friends in a room with paper and pencil and writing a story that way, passing the pad around the room every paragraph or so until the story is finished. Kathy ______________________ Kathy Brown kbrown@toolcity.net <---- updated 1/17/98 KathyB on IRC ______________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:02:21 -0800 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Leanne Shawler Subject: Re: IRC?? In-Reply-To: <01BD2699.BF8BBDA0@ppp102.htc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Some of you guys always sign with "name" on IRC. And there IRC ROUNDROBIN >Fanfics around. According to Buffy the Vampire Slayer a roundrobin is when >you take turns calling parents telling them that you're at each others >houses. So what are IRC and ROUNDROBIN in the Lois and Clark world?? IS >IRC a chat place? Please explain. > >Brad > Ah, another Buffy fan .... gods, they're like coming out of the LOISCLA woodwork. *anyway*, the roundrobin described in Buffy is only *slightly* like what a round robin fiction is. The name comes from sports -- round robins are where all the teams play each other ... in fanfic, it's when everyone on the irc channel (or via email) takes turn in writing part of the fic ... just like how each Slayerette took turns in calling each other's parents ... Leanne Leanne Shawler aka Volterra on IRC (volterra@sd.znet.com) http://www.znet.com/~volterra/leanne.html Lois and Clark Season 5 Fanfic: http://www.tempus.simplenet.com/season5/ ********************************************************** Midnight Dreaming: The Original Anthony Warlow Home Page: http://www.zweb.com/volterra/anthony.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:30:47 -0700 Reply-To: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" Sender: "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman Fanfic" From: Sheila Harper Subject: Re: IRC?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >A Round Robin for fanfic means that people take turns writing a story. >On IRC, it means that we write in "real time". One person writes a few >lines, then the next person on the channel takes over, and so on. Ha, Kathy, like any of us stop at a few lines! Actually, Brad, Kathy's right: all you have to write is a sentence, but most of us are compulsive writers and we sort of get the bit in our teeth once we get started and don't want to let go until we've accomplished what we were trying to do :) The L&C fanfic group meets on Saturday afternoons and evenings, if you ever want to stop by (once you get on IRC, choose an Undernet server and once you're on-line, join #loiscla). Once there, you can always ask Eraygun or ChrisnDor if you can join fanfic, and if the writers don't mind an audience, they'll invite you. But be warned, round robins are addictive. Many of us have been known to stay on the channel from 5 to 12 hours or more, trying to get a story finished. Sheila Harper (I told you we were compulsive :)